posted December 22, 2003 13:22            

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Originally posted by tommy:
BetNitAll, you got that confirmation from whom? John Fleming (ceo)?

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posted December 22, 2003 13:33            

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Originally posted by raven76:
Congrats to everybody held strong during the pullback..

And congrats to people who took action and advantage of the situation and bought @ around .027 instead of whining that the price was going down..

R we having fun yet????

GL

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posted December 22, 2003 13:44            

Well if 814 Blackjack Rd, Franklin, KY 42134 is your reference address and if north of this location is residential 1535 Blackjack Road is in a residential area. Right?

This all just too speculative. Satellite images, road maps, blah blah blah, I have really spun out of control. For all I know not any of this information is accurate.

posted December 22, 2003 13:49            

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Originally posted by m_h13021:
Response to BetNitAll:

Well if 814 Blackjack Rd, Franklin, KY 42134 is your reference address and if north of this location is residential 1535 Blackjack Road is in a residential area. Right?

This all just too speculative. Satellite images, road maps, blah blah blah, I have really spun out of control. For all I know not any of this information is accurate.

This is DD, but really how good is it? My excitement has blurred the reality when it comes to all this research and what not. -

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posted December 22, 2003 13:54            

By the way...private placement is trying to raise 1.5 million dollars. Minimum investment is $5,000 and the share price will be %50 of the last three closes. However, it will not go under .02

The guy kinda sounded like he was reading from a scrip, almost like a telemarketer

Does anyone else notice how Kc says cheers at the end of his messages....is that you John

Well I am off to bed....good luck everyone

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Originally posted by kcbudman:
In less then 24 hours, I will see it allfor myself, and you willknow shortly there after....Cheers, what a great day!!

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posted December 22, 2003 13:58            

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TriggerFingers Ports The NetFlix Online Rental Model to Games
Aug 13, 2003 (Electronic Gaming Business/PBI Media via COMTEX) -- The gaming gold rush has officially begun. Now that the big story is abroad, that gaming is a multibillion-dollar industry poised for double-digit annual growth, there is no shortage of entrepreneurs pitching new business models around America's happy gaming addiction. To wit: TriggerFingers, a Web- based game rental store started by brothers Matt and Chris Twogood on the profits they made from selling their machine shop last year.

"We decided we needed to do something different...or more fun," says Matt. Which was TriggerFingers, whose subscribers pay between $14.95 and $29.95 a month to borrow between two and five console games at a time via mail. Mimicking the very successful NetFlix model for renting DVDs for unlimited periods, TriggerFingers lets users keep the titles for as long as they remain members. When they reach the maximum number of games their membership tier allows them to have out at a time, the users must send an older title back to get a new one.

Based in Colorado, the Twogoods have 600 unique titles in their warehouse, with 15 to 20 copies of the more popular games. If a member requests a title that is not in, he is placed in a queue so that he is in line to receive the next available copy that comes back to the warehouse. Like NetFlix, TriggerFingers uses the U.S. mail, and tries to send orders out on the day they are made at the site, so that highly popular titles may never even make it back onto the shelves. Nevertheless, Matt Twogood has some of the same issues with the game rental model as video stores, which find that game inventory is simply more costly than equivalent DVD stocks. "The games are very expensive, both to purchase and to warehouse," he says.

For now, TriggerFingers buys its titles wholesale from Ingram and Jack of All Games, just like most independent video and game shops. Twogood has no direct relationships with publishers as yet, though Sammy Studios (Guilty Gear, Lethal Skies) has contacted the company about discussing partnerships.

A Workable Model?

If TriggerFingers and other similar attempts at porting the NetFlix model to games (NumbThumb.com, VeeGeez.com, and others) are to succeed, they must first convince game publishers to stop selling the renters games and instead share in the revenues. NetFlix only started making money when the company partnered directly with studios, who charged little to nothing for the DVDs the company sent out and instead took a share in the rental fees. That is the only way for companies like these to keep their inventory costs and risk on slow moving titles reasonable.

For now, and as a two man operation, the Twogoods say they estimate a break-even point at 400 subscribers, and after a few months of operation they have between 50 and 60. The bulk of the subscribers came only within the last few weeks, as TriggerFingers' new PR firm issued press releases and got coverage in The Denver Post. The site gets 25,000 hits a month, suggesting a lot of window shopping.

Small as that may seem, there is some interest among a niche of gamers for this model, and it could conceivably be marketed effectively to a couple of constituencies. For rabid gamers who need to play just about everything, this is a model that lets them do so. It could also function much like the cult video film market, which has numerous vendors working through mail order and the Web. Fans of Japanese games and hard-to-find vintage games could latch onto Web-based libraries like these, which might have specialty areas of obscure and foreign titles.

The hardcore gamer, who generally needs to have his new games at or near release, may always have a problem with mail order, which is one reason online game sales have never taken off. Twogood, who also sells games, reports that he has sold very few titles outright. Moreover, games arriving as expected has quickly become the most common issue for his customer support. Being in Denver, TriggerFingers shipments usually take a few days to reach most destinations already, and the company is considering trying priority shipping. The Brothers Twogood are beginning to discover what consumers want from this sort of service - generally timely deliveries and accurate information about what titles are becoming available and when.

Another twist on this model might be rent-to-own. If members keep the same game out for an extended period, Triggerfingers offers them a buy-out option so that they can keep the title. Only open since February, and with only one taker of the offer, TriggerFingers has limited experience with this idea, but it may be worth considering for game rentals at all venues. If price remains one of gamers' universal concerns about gaming, then experiments like these are worth monitoring.

Ultimately, online rentals will most likely be a niche play at best, but it could also be an interesting laboratory for testing new pricing models, marketing older game titles, and marketing to narrower audience segments.

Contacts: Matt and Chris Twogood, 303/755-1522

[Copyright 2003 PBI Media, LLC. All rights reserved.]

Electronic Gaming Business, Vol. 1, No. 9 [Copyright 2003 PBI Media, LLC. All rights reserved.]

posted December 22, 2003 14:08            

His answer was that 1500's are residential..

GL

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
Is this where the new corprate office is. This is all commercial. North of here is residential though.
http://mapsonus.switchboard.com/bin/maps-maponly/usr=~3fe73912.2d3bb .428f.5/c=1/refsrc=SB.newsb/isredir=1/

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posted December 22, 2003 14:13            

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&edition=us&th=be32fce81cb913b7&rnum=3

posted December 22, 2003 14:15            

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Originally posted by raven76:
Bet,
for me it's not going to make any difference..But I also wanted learn the answer of this..So I called Papa John's Pizza on 828 N Main St..( pretty close)These guys should have been delivering pizzas to this area..

His answer was that 1500's are residential..

GL

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posted December 22, 2003 14:21            

"Anyone care to recommend or warn me of any
Game Rental sites you have used?

I used to use AngelGamer but the games started to
take nearly a week to travel to me while only ever
2-3 days to get back. So I am looking at either a new
rental place or going back to AngelGamer (perhaps they
have speed up some since Nov)

thanks
Wayne"

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Originally posted by adrenalix:
here are some opinions for people who have actually used the Veegeez.com service and their competitors.
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr= &ie=UTF-8&edition=us&th=c87847743e12908f&seekm=vu1e1ik2rcrn54%40news.supernews.com&frame=off
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&edition=us&th=b558e6d874a05a93&rnum =4

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&edition=us&th=be32fce81cb913b7&rnum =3

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posted December 22, 2003 14:26            

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
I just verified that new website will not be up by the end of year. They are thinking of a press release, becasuse the exact date is known. However, they are cautious becasue it has been delayed twice already

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posted December 22, 2003 15:04            

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
Can someone versed in placing the web banner please place the banner on the attached Video Game News Web Site Forum! I think it will help us market Veegeez... Of course you might want to include a message. Thanks for your help! mach
http://videogamenews.us/forum/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=c0ce9ac5eb98d27ca50b0efbdb069285

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posted December 22, 2003 15:14            

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
Still hoping one of our board members that know how to place banners can place a Veegeez banner on this board. Just trying to contribute to our marketing campaign. Thanks for your help. mach

[This message has been edited by machtabow2 (edited December 22, 2003).]

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posted December 22, 2003 15:15            

-moose-

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
Still hoping one of our board members that know how to place banners can place a Veegeez banner on this board. Just trying to contribute to our marketing campaign. Thanks for your help. mach

[This message has been edited by machtabow2 (edited December 22, 2003).]

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posted December 22, 2003 15:28            

we could submit it that way, or even on the boards. The article would say that a new website will be opening soon at www.gamezNflix.com and blah blah blah

we could post the banner for Veegeez and everything too. Someone who is good at writing a thing like this... which == not me..haha

I could go post the article at various places though.

posted December 22, 2003 15:31            

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
Looking good here moving into the close. We are at .035X.036... with only 2 MM left at .036.. Next MM at .04... Will we get a strong finish? Strong possibility. Looking good! Remember MACD bullish crossover likely to occur on December 24th... Bulls will have seized complete control here. mach

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posted December 22, 2003 15:35            

As far as marketing Veegeez goes... I think the following link designed by Betn summarizes the important points. Someone may desire to elaborate.

Now if you are looking for other investors... you could use my original post at the beginning of this thread and make subtle modifications... adding some additional detail to it. mach
www.onlinevideogamerental.com

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Originally posted by Marcidius:
What if someone would type up a small blurb in the form of a news segment, so some of us could go around to Gaming sites and see if they have a submit news section...

we could submit it that way, or even on the boards. The article would say that a new website will be opening soon at www.gamezNflix.com and blah blah blah

we could post the banner for Veegeez and everything too. Someone who is good at writing a thing like this... which == not me..haha

I could go post the article at various places though.

~Marc

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posted December 22, 2003 15:44            

On September 26, 2003 Point Group Holdings Inc. (OTC BB: PGHI) announced that it had successfully acquired Veegeez.com, LLC of Santa Clarita, CA, an online video game rental company. Veegeez.com provides its subscribers video game rentals via the Internet similar to how NetFlix.com provides DVD's to its customers.

On December 11, 2003, Point Group Holdings Inc. filed form PRE-14C with the US SEC. The PRE-14C is essentially a petition by the company's board of directors to amend the Articles of Incorporation of the Company to change the name of the Company to "GamezNFlix, Inc." The Company received the consent of a majority of the outstanding shares of Common Stock of the Company for this action under a definitive Proxy Statement filed on November 20, 2003. An Information Statement describing this action will be sent on or about December 15, 2003 to the Company's stockholders of record who have not been solicited for their consent of this corporate action.

On December 9, 2003 Point Group Holdings, Inc. announced that its corporate headquarters is relocating from San Diego, California, to Franklin, Kentucky. The move is scheduled to take place during the last weeks of December. The relocation is part of the planned opening of PGHI's (soon to be GamezNFlix Inc.) subsidiary VeeGeeZ.com. The addition of the new distribution center for VeeGeeZ in Franklin, Kentucky will provide the company with distribution centers on both the east and west coasts of the United States. In support of the “Bi-Coastal Distribution Centers” VeeGeeZ has a focused effort to increase its online inventory and recently announced that inventory was increased by 37 percent.

VeeGeeZ.com, LLC announced previously that it has signed a contract with Venture Direct Worldwide of New York to handle its online marketing campaign. The experienced staff of Venture Direct Worldwide and VeeGeeZ management has developed a marketing plan to assist the company in moving to the next level. Venture Direct's Online Services Group offers a comprehensive range of media, including online lead generation, co-registration, contextual advertising and other web based ad formats, opt-in email, search marketing, and other customized online opportunities, backed by 10 years of online marketing experience, and more than 20 years of direct marketing industry leadership. The agreement with Venture Direct Worldwide for marketing represents an important step forward in the execution of our business model and I look forward to seeing good results.

On October 28th, 2003 VeeGeeZ.com, LLC awarded its new website design to Roy Vella, Web & Print Design Service (www.RoyVella.com). "The signing of this contract represents another phase of VeeGeeZ.com's business plan to provide enhanced services to its customers. In addition, the new design will not only meet our current video game rental customer base it will setup our expansion into the DVD rental world". I anticipate that the new website will be launched late in December 2003.

I believe that with the addition of a second distribution center on the east coast (New Company Headquarters), continued growth in video game inventory along with the successful launch of a US marketing campaign and website interface, that the company has made major steps toward implementing its’ business plan and to add shareholder value.

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Originally posted by Marcidius:
What if someone would type up a small blurb in the form of a news segment, so some of us could go around to Gaming sites and see if they have a submit news section...

we could submit it that way, or even on the boards. The article would say that a new website will be opening soon at www.gamezNflix.com and blah blah blah

we could post the banner for Veegeez and everything too. Someone who is good at writing a thing like this... which == not me..haha

I could go post the article at various places though.

~Marc

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posted December 22, 2003 15:47            

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
So... it sounds like Veegeez is considering a PR possibly next week to update us on the website release and give us a release date? That should be pretty exciting.... May give us a little boost. Looking forward to that. mach

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posted December 22, 2003 15:58            

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Originally posted by Mav:
Mach there are only 2 MM @0.036 left after that is 0.04, huge jump, isn't it ?.

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posted December 22, 2003 16:04            

seems like there is already a gumshoe squad on the scent. i loved the pizza connection. lots of smart resourceful people here. i wish i had more time and another computer to be more a part of the forensic fun here.

posted December 22, 2003 16:24            

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Mike,

The Url will stay the same. PGHI is changing their name to Gameznflix, not
VeeGeeZ.

The site will function exactly the same. There will be improvement make
things seem easier to use and understand. We will add some new feature along
with the new site as well like gift subscriptions and paid email referrals.

The new site will launch in a few weeks. You should experience no downtime.
The site will be fully built and tested on a separate server. When it is
complete, it will only take a few minutes to upload the files. We will do
this one night very late when few people are on the site.

I'm sorry I don't have a date. I actually don't know when it will be done.
We do have the overall look and fell and functionality of the site done. We
are now working on the secondary pages and the account and sign up process
pages.

Happy Holidays

Lance Wiseman
VeeGeeZ.com, LLC
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posted December 22, 2003 16:36            

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Originally posted by Moose:
Below is a response to one of my e-mails...

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Mike,

The Url will stay the same. PGHI is changing their name to Gameznflix, not
VeeGeeZ.

The site will function exactly the same. There will be improvement make
things seem easier to use and understand. We will add some new feature along
with the new site as well like gift subscriptions and paid email referrals.

The new site will launch in a few weeks. You should experience no downtime.
The site will be fully built and tested on a separate server. When it is
complete, it will only take a few minutes to upload the files. We will do
this one night very late when few people are on the site.

I'm sorry I don't have a date. I actually don't know when it will be done.
We do have the overall look and fell and functionality of the site done. We
are now working on the secondary pages and the account and sign up process
pages.

Happy Holidays

Lance Wiseman
VeeGeeZ.com, LLC
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-moose-

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posted December 22, 2003 16:56            

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Originally posted by white93860:
I'm assuming it means you would get credit towards your account for referring new clients.

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posted December 22, 2003 17:08            

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Originally posted by tommy:
Moose, was that email from today?

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posted December 22, 2003 17:10            

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Originally posted by tommy:
Moose, was that email from today?

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Tommy, I think Moose posted that awhile ago as it seems vaguely familar to me. I could be wrong...I'll do a search to check.

posted December 22, 2003 17:15            

1. File a Prelim Proxy (Pre 14a) -- Done
2. Followed by a Definitive Proxy Filing (Def 14a) -- Done
3. Followed by a Prelim Information Statement Filing (Pre 14c) -- Done