posted December 19, 2003 16:17            

Also, as far as the under 1000 subscribers, that’s an educated guess. Look at previous releases and do some math….and also look at in/out of stock ratio.

Mach …
I hope all this planning turns into something GREAT. It is a good idea to have more then one distribution center if you have thousands of games. Maybe they are planning on a huge buying spree…. More then what they are telling us

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
m_h... yes i'd like to know that... I assume Betn has insider information. Also, he may have read a prior pr regarding 400 subscribers with a growth rate of 40% per month if i recall and then guesstemated... i can only assume...

Betn... companies are visionaries... they need to look forward and anticipate... Distribution centers throughout the US will be necessary as the subscriber base grows... Fullfillment and timeliness of will be important with respect to customer satisfaction and retention. When the new site is launched and marketing begins... they need to "have all their ducks in a row." I'm busy savvy and sometimes take the knowledge for granted. If you need more detail... let me know. An East Coast/West Coast base for now seems adequate. Thanks. mach

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posted December 19, 2003 16:21            

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Originally posted by m_h13021:
"I am not buying that it was to reach their eastern subscribers."

As a subscriber it takes between 4-5days time to send/receive a game. Now, with that information you might want to rethink the validity of your statement. I am all for it.

I guess Netflix having 23 distribution centers does not give VeeGeez's plan any merit either?

Netflix Shipping Centers:
-Twenty shipping centers nationwide.
-Shipping centers serving metropolitan areas in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Fort Lauderdale, Houston, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, San Jose, Seattle, St. Louis, Stamford, and Washington, D.C.
-Netflix reaches more than half of its subscribers with generally next-day delivery. By year-end 2003, Netflix expects to reach more than 70 percent of its subscribers with generally next-day delivery.
-The efficiency of these shipping centers - most are no more than 8,000 square feet - is driven by proprietary software that enables a lean crew to process and ship a daily average volume of between 5,000 and 30,000 discs a day.
http://www.netflix.com/PressRoom?id=5206

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posted December 19, 2003 16:30            

Now this is just based on personal assumption, but if they are going to have a east coast distribution center, they would HAVE to stock inventory to supply there subs on the east coast. If this was not implemented, what would be the point of having this as a distribution center.

OK, how bout this maybe there are going to still ship out games from CA until TN is built up. But they will receive games in TN no problem? Turn-around time will now decrease.

posted December 19, 2003 16:34            

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:

I hope your not attacking me for posting a question. I was wondering about their move with the small amount of games they have.

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Not at all. I just questioned the numbers you had posted. PGHI is due for some sort of release of F/S on VeeGeez, and I thought maybe perhaps you had this information. OK?

posted December 19, 2003 16:37            

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
The 1000 games comes from a personal email I, as well as others received from VeeGeez. Email them and ask them how many games they have. They have over 1000 game titles.

Also, as far as the under 1000 subscribers, that’s an educated guess. Look at previous releases and do some math….and also look at in/out of stock ratio.

Mach …
I hope all this planning turns into something GREAT. It is a good idea to have more then one distribution center if you have thousands of games. Maybe they are planning on a huge buying spree…. More then what they are telling us

[This message has been edited by BetNitAll (edited December 19, 2003).]

[This message has been edited by BetNitAll (edited December 19, 2003).]

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posted December 19, 2003 16:37            

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Originally posted by m_h13021:
"I am not buying that it was to reach their eastern subscribers."

As a subscriber it takes between 4-5days time to send/receive a game. Now, with that information you might want to rethink the validity of your statement. I am all for it.

I guess Netflix having 23 distribution centers does not give VeeGeez's plan any merit either?

Netflix Shipping Centers:
-Twenty shipping centers nationwide.
-Shipping centers serving metropolitan areas in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Detroit, Fort Lauderdale, Houston, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, New York, Newark, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Portland, San Jose, Seattle, St. Louis, Stamford, and Washington, D.C.
-Netflix reaches more than half of its subscribers with generally next-day delivery. By year-end 2003, Netflix expects to reach more than 70 percent of its subscribers with generally next-day delivery.
-The efficiency of these shipping centers - most are no more than 8,000 square feet - is driven by proprietary software that enables a lean crew to process and ship a daily average volume of between 5,000 and 30,000 discs a day.
http://www.netflix.com/PressRoom?id=5206

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posted December 19, 2003 16:39            

Could others please comment. I did not think my post was worded as an "attack". I this is the case, I owe you an apology. - Marty[/B][/QUOTE]

posted December 19, 2003 16:40            

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
Tell me what F/S is and we’ll call it even

Could others please comment. I did not think my post was worded as an "attack". I this is the case, I owe you an apology. - Marty

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posted December 19, 2003 16:41            

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
m_h... was trying to figure out who you were talking too... i think betn understands now... He may have made a statement rather than asked a question... but i do think he understands the importance of fullfillment and timeliness... With growth expectations... and customer retention... you need to think ahead and be ready for growth. Good luck. mach

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posted December 19, 2003 17:05            

12/19/03 0.0300 0.0320 0.0270 0.0310 +0.0010 1531412 +3.33%
12/18/03 0.0290 0.0300 0.0270 0.0300 +0.0010 1547400 +3.4483%
12/17/03 0.0260 0.0300 0.0260 0.0290 +0.0030 6788900 +11.538%

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Originally posted by PSU90:
Well, I had some cash come free today (not by choice....was stopped out when GOAM tanked while I was out of the office).

Will be looking to add here on Monday to make up for the GOAM loss. I've got a big position already, but its hard to pass up.

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posted December 19, 2003 17:08            

Happy Holidays!

(I've set my news alerts to send me a text message on my mobile phone in case something new comes out for PGHI.)

posted December 19, 2003 17:12            

Gotta run for now. Going out for dinner. I'll be back online tonight.

PSU

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
PSU.. nice to hear from you again... yes... i see this gradually strengthing ... The "Bulls" are beginning to "Seize Control" here once again. The great thing is that we are still trading in oversold territory. mach

12/19/03 0.0300 0.0320 0.0270 0.0310 +0.0010 1531412 +3.33%
12/18/03 0.0290 0.0300 0.0270 0.0300 +0.0010 1547400 +3.4483%
12/17/03 0.0260 0.0300 0.0260 0.0290 +0.0030 6788900 +11.538%

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posted December 19, 2003 17:24            

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
Regarding Sunny...

In case anyone visiting and posting on this thread may wonder why I asked poster "Sunny" to leave and start another PGHI thread to interact with members of the board that would "enjoy" conversations with him.

I am a very opened minded individual. And I do in fact respect the opinions of all indivduals. What I did realize quickly upon seeing this member begin to post on the previous PGHI thread was unnecessary remarks... that envoked unnecessary "bickering" on the thread. It began to give me the "feel" of being on raging bull. After literally over 1000 pleasant and "open-minded" messages discussing PGHI and it's "positives and negatives" without such a "negative" atmosphere... it was a sincere disappointment to me to see one individual "corrupt" the atmosphere by making statements such as "pump & dump"... questioning the validity of "tech analysis" and so forth. Rather than concentrating our discussions on PGHI... it was quickly becoming an unnecessary "battleground"... which im sure will continue on that particular thread.

Maybe it's my personality... but I truly in life have enjoyed surrounding myself with intelligent, open-minded positive indivduals. This does not necessarily mean individuals that are always "bullish" for example... but rather individuals that are "positive" and look for "positives" in every situation. I've found it difficult at times to interact with individuals that make strong "negative" remarks that are simply unsubstantiated.

I personally have enjoyed our intelligent conversations and analysis of PGHI and GamezNFlix... the market... the business model and so forth. I will continue to do so as we move forward.

Let me know what your thoughts are on this... if you want...

Thanks you.
Mach

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posted December 19, 2003 17:27            

I have talked to the guys at VeeGeez and equitlink (sp?), and I am concerned about the very long term. No one can predict what will happen in the years to come with one company, although the industry is booming and PGHI does have access to money more easily then competitors.

That said, I love the short term potential of the company when I take into consideration the tech analysis I know. It was a good pic by mach….if I recall it was mach that picked it. The new website should really give us a boost. It’s the only stock I ever bought that has me thinking more about how much money I will make in profit, rather then am I going to lose money.

Furthermore, I have learned more about tech analysis and how to buy and sell then anywhere else. I enjoy reading all your posts, its been a great learning experience…lets just not get caught in the frog in boiling water syndrome.

“Protect Your Principle”

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Originally posted by m_h13021:
BetNitAll,

Now that I gave you my opinion. Could you answer me why you have doubts in PGHI's motive to move to TN? I mean, maybe I am not looking at all the possible reasons, good or bad. I took you statement as "not buying", as along the nature of - there is something fishy going on here -. Yes? No? Could you just elaborate on this. Thank you. -

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posted December 19, 2003 17:36            

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Originally posted by chill:
Mach,
Sorry I am late on replying to this - was away from the computer.
I agree with you 100%.
I am also a positive person and really appreciate your input.
I visited that other thread and see that it is a bickering atmosphere.
Thanks again for your enthusiasim and willingness to share.
chill

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posted December 19, 2003 18:45            

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Originally posted by herm:
with 1000 game titles doesnt mean they only have one copy of each game title... im pretty sure they have multiple copies of each title...

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posted December 19, 2003 18:54            

Monday morning into the open-

The MMs will try and take PGHI down to get shares. Two of the MMs have bad lots of orders they cannot fill, and the orders are large orders...!

Be careful if you have Stop Limit Orders in place.....!

posted December 19, 2003 18:56            

List of companies that rent videos and there traffic stats

Gamefly last 3 mths down 8% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.gamefly.com

Govojo last 3 mths down 20% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.govojo.com

VeeGeeZ last 3 mths up 340% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.veegeez.com/

posted December 19, 2003 18:59            

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Originally posted by pbwizard:
Here is something of interest.

List of companies that rent videos and there traffic stats

Gamefly last 3 mths down 8% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.gamefly.com

Govojo last 3 mths down 20% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.govojo.com

VeeGeeZ last 3 mths up 340% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.veegeez.com/

These are the top 3 companies renting vidoes online. The traffic to the site has taken VeeGeeZ from an Alexa ranking of 559,831 3 months ago to 167,331 at present time. At this rate they should be into the top 100,000 websites on the web by the end of Jan. 2004 and if my calulations are correct they should hit top 55,000 websites by May 2004.

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posted December 19, 2003 19:04            

On September 26, 2003 Point Group Holdings Inc. (OTC BB: PGHI) announced that it had successfully acquired Veegeez.com, LLC of Santa Clarita, CA, an online video game rental company. Veegeez.com provides its subscribers video game rentals via the Internet similar to how NetFlix.com provides DVD's to its customers.

On December 11, 2003, Point Group Holdings Inc. filed form PRE-14C with the US SEC. The PRE-14C is essentially a petition by the company's board of directors to amend the Articles of Incorporation of the Company to change the name of the Company
to "GamezNFlix, Inc." The Company received the consent of a majority of the outstanding shares of Common Stock of the Company for this action under a definitive Proxy Statement filed on November 20, 2003. An Information Statement describing this action will be sent on or about December 15, 2003 to the Company's stockholders of record who have not been solicited for their consent of this corporate action.

On December 9, 2003 Point Group Holdings, Inc. announced that its corporate headquarters is relocating from San Diego, California, to Franklin, Kentucky. The move is scheduled to take place during the last weeks of December. The relocation is part of the planned opening of PGHI's (soon to be GamezNFlix Inc.) subsidiary VeeGeeZ.com. The addition of the new distribution center for VeeGeeZ in Franklin, Kentucky will provide the company with distribution centers on both the east and west coasts of the United States. In support of the “Bi-Coastal Distribution Centers” VeeGeeZ has a focused effort to increase its online inventory and recently announced that inventory was increased by 37 percent.

VeeGeeZ.com, LLC announced previously that it has signed a contract with Venture Direct Worldwide of New York to handle its online marketing campaign. The experienced staff of Venture Direct Worldwide and VeeGeeZ management has developed a marketing plan to assist the company in moving to the next level. Venture Direct's Online Services Group offers a comprehensive range of media, including online lead generation, co-registration, contextual advertising and other web based ad formats, opt-in email, search marketing, and other customized online opportunities, backed by 10 years of online marketing experience, and more than 20 years of direct marketing industry leadership. The agreement with Venture Direct Worldwide for marketing represents an important step forward in the execution of our business model and I look forward to seeing good results.

On October 28th, 2003 VeeGeeZ.com, LLC awarded its new website design to Roy Vella, Web & Print Design Service (www.RoyVella.com). "The signing of this contract represents another phase of VeeGeeZ.com's business plan to provide enhanced services to its customers. In addition, the new design will not only meet our current video game rental customer base it will setup our expansion into the DVD rental world". I anticipate that the new website will be launched late in December 2003.

I believe that with the addition of a second distribution center on the east coast (New Company Headquarters), continued growth in video game inventory along with the successful launch of a US marketing campaign and website interface, that the company has made major steps toward implementing its’ business plan and to add shareholder value.

posted December 19, 2003 19:05            

quote:

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Originally posted by pbwizard:
Here is something of interest.

List of companies that rent videos and there traffic stats

Gamefly last 3 mths down 8% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.gamefly.com

Govojo last 3 mths down 20% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.govojo.com

VeeGeeZ last 3 mths up 340% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.veegeez.com/

These are the top 3 companies renting vidoes online. The traffic to the site has taken VeeGeeZ from an Alexa ranking of 559,831 3 months ago to 167,331 at present time. At this rate they should be into the top 100,000 websites on the web by the end of Jan. 2004 and if my calulations are correct they should hit top 55,000 websites by May 2004.

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posted December 19, 2003 19:05            

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
That's a pretty impressive forecast PB. That certainly would help to both increase our subscriber and investor awareness. Haven't seen you on this board for a while. Thanks again! mach

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posted December 19, 2003 19:07            

300's are take price down to get shares

The candlestick analysis from american bulls is correct, and is a good way to assist you in making trades, not a sole reason to buy though.

I'm working on a chart...

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
From a RB member... that has earned a good reputation for interpreting MM activity. mach

Monday morning into the open-

The MMs will try and take PGHI down to get shares. Two of the MMs have bad lots of orders they cannot fill, and the orders are large orders...!

Be careful if you have Stop Limit Orders in place.....!

jwhite2913

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posted December 19, 2003 19:09            

The second reason is pure conjecture on my part, but this is a new company and they are looking for tax breaks, cheaper operating costs, lower labor costs, etc. And I can assure you they will get all that and more in Kentucky. Doing business in California, especially right now with all their money problems, is a nightmare for a fledgling company. IMO, once the company takes off, as I am sure it will, they will have distribution centers all over the country, just like Netflix does. I live in Oregon and have been a Netflix customer for over 18 months now. When I first signed on, it took an average of 3 days to get a DVD delivered, and the distribution point was in Washington State, a few hundred miles away. Four months ago they opened a new distribution center in Salem, Oregon, just 25 miles up the road. I put a DVD in the mail on Monday and on Wednesday I have the next one in my mailbox. The point is, it takes time to build up to that, and by moving to Kentucky they can cut down on the amount of time for games-n-flix to reach their customers.

That is the way I see it. It just seems to make sense to me.

posted December 19, 2003 19:09            

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Originally posted by cabbage22:
If the MM signals hold true, this forecast is dead on balls accurate (my cousin vinnie). There were two 300's right before the close

300's are take price down to get shares

The candlestick analysis from american bulls is correct, and is a good way to assist you in making trades, not a sole reason to buy though.

I'm working on a chart...

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posted December 19, 2003 19:12            

*** Future's so Bright ***
mach

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Originally posted by pbwizard:
been working on some new projects that are eating away at my time but took some time to check veegeez traffic ranking. VeeGeeZ has 1000 titles but what no one has reported was how many of each title do they have. I seen somewheres and I can't remember and I will research to find is back in Dec.2002 they had around 400 members but no reports since then.

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posted December 19, 2003 19:14            

Look at VeeGeeZ traffic past show PGHI is on the ball. Dec. 2002 VeeGeeZ traffic was 987,673 when they acquired VeeGeeZ the traffic was almost unchanged. Now VeeGeeZ is ranked 167,331 in the short time they have owned VeeGeeZ. WOW!!

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
The following summary was posted by a non-registered member on another board. It's a great read. Enjoy! mach

On September 26, 2003 Point Group Holdings Inc. (OTC BB: PGHI) announced that it had successfully acquired Veegeez.com, LLC of Santa Clarita, CA, an online video game rental company. Veegeez.com provides its subscribers video game rentals via the Internet similar to how NetFlix.com provides DVD's to its customers.

On December 11, 2003, Point Group Holdings Inc. filed form PRE-14C with the US SEC. The PRE-14C is essentially a petition by the company's board of directors to amend the Articles of Incorporation of the Company to change the name of the Company
to "GamezNFlix, Inc." The Company received the consent of a majority of the outstanding shares of Common Stock of the Company for this action under a definitive Proxy Statement filed on November 20, 2003. An Information Statement describing this action will be sent on or about December 15, 2003 to the Company's stockholders of record who have not been solicited for their consent of this corporate action.

On December 9, 2003 Point Group Holdings, Inc. announced that its corporate headquarters is relocating from San Diego, California, to Franklin, Kentucky. The move is scheduled to take place during the last weeks of December. The relocation is part of the planned opening of PGHI's (soon to be GamezNFlix Inc.) subsidiary VeeGeeZ.com. The addition of the new distribution center for VeeGeeZ in Franklin, Kentucky will provide the company with distribution centers on both the east and west coasts of the United States. In support of the “Bi-Coastal Distribution Centers” VeeGeeZ has a focused effort to increase its online inventory and recently announced that inventory was increased by 37 percent.

VeeGeeZ.com, LLC announced previously that it has signed a contract with Venture Direct Worldwide of New York to handle its online marketing campaign. The experienced staff of Venture Direct Worldwide and VeeGeeZ management has developed a marketing plan to assist the company in moving to the next level. Venture Direct's Online Services Group offers a comprehensive range of media, including online lead generation, co-registration, contextual advertising and other web based ad formats, opt-in email, search marketing, and other customized online opportunities, backed by 10 years of online marketing experience, and more than 20 years of direct marketing industry leadership. The agreement with Venture Direct Worldwide for marketing represents an important step forward in the execution of our business model and I look forward to seeing good results.

On October 28th, 2003 VeeGeeZ.com, LLC awarded its new website design to Roy Vella, Web & Print Design Service (www.RoyVella.com). "The signing of this contract represents another phase of VeeGeeZ.com's business plan to provide enhanced services to its customers. In addition, the new design will not only meet our current video game rental customer base it will setup our expansion into the DVD rental world". I anticipate that the new website will be launched late in December 2003.

I believe that with the addition of a second distribution center on the east coast (New Company Headquarters), continued growth in video game inventory along with the successful launch of a US marketing campaign and website interface, that the company has made major steps toward implementing its’ business plan and to add shareholder value.

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posted December 19, 2003 19:16            

You "hit the nail on the head." These are all good signs. Fast accurate fullfillment is necessary to have happy customers. Happy customers is necessary for customer retention. Customer retention means a growing company... After all it's harder to find a new customer than too keep an existing customer. Finally, this all means greater shareholder value. Makes sense to me. Can not wait until we have 20 distribution centers across the USA. mach

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Originally posted by newstockpicker:
The company is moving from the West Coast to Kentucky because of their subscribers on the East coast. Someone said they couldn't understand why. The first reason, Kentucky is more centrally located in the Continental US than the West coast. An East coast subscriber orders a game and it takes 4 - 5 days to arrive from California. But only 2 days from Kentucky, and the same 2 days to the West coast.

The second reason is pure conjecture on my part, but this is a new company and they are looking for tax breaks, cheaper operating costs, lower labor costs, etc. And I can assure you they will get all that and more in Kentucky. Doing business in California, especially right now with all their money problems, is a nightmare for a fledgling company. IMO, once the company takes off, as I am sure it will, they will have distribution centers all over the country, just like Netflix does. I live in Oregon and have been a Netflix customer for over 18 months now. When I first signed on, it took an average of 3 days to get a DVD delivered, and the distribution point was in Washington State, a few hundred miles away. Four months ago they opened a new distribution center in Salem, Oregon, just 25 miles up the road. I put a DVD in the mail on Monday and on Wednesday I have the next one in my mailbox. The point is, it takes time to build up to that, and by moving to Kentucky they can cut down on the amount of time for games-n-flix to reach their customers.

That is the way I see it. It just seems to make sense to me.

Walt

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posted December 19, 2003 19:17            

quote:

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Originally posted by newstockpicker:
The company is moving from the West Coast to Kentucky because of their subscribers on the East coast. Someone said they couldn't understand why. The first reason, Kentucky is more centrally located in the Continental US than the West coast. An East coast subscriber orders a game and it takes 4 - 5 days to arrive from California. But only 2 days from Kentucky, and the same 2 days to the West coast.

The second reason is pure conjecture on my part, but this is a new company and they are looking for tax breaks, cheaper operating costs, lower labor costs, etc. And I can assure you they will get all that and more in Kentucky. Doing business in California, especially right now with all their money problems, is a nightmare for a fledgling company. IMO, once the company takes off, as I am sure it will, they will have distribution centers all over the country, just like Netflix does. I live in Oregon and have been a Netflix customer for over 18 months now. When I first signed on, it took an average of 3 days to get a DVD delivered, and the distribution point was in Washington State, a few hundred miles away. Four months ago they opened a new distribution center in Salem, Oregon, just 25 miles up the road. I put a DVD in the mail on Monday and on Wednesday I have the next one in my mailbox. The point is, it takes time to build up to that, and by moving to Kentucky they can cut down on the amount of time for games-n-flix to reach their customers.

That is the way I see it. It just seems to make sense to me.

Walt

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posted December 19, 2003 19:18            

quote:

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Originally posted by pbwizard:
mach

Look at VeeGeeZ traffic past show PGHI is on the ball. Dec. 2002 VeeGeeZ traffic was 987,673 when they acquired VeeGeeZ the traffic was almost unchanged. Now VeeGeeZ is ranked 167,331 in the short time they have owned VeeGeeZ. WOW!!

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posted December 19, 2003 21:19            

quote:

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
The 1000 games comes from a personal email I, as well as others received from VeeGeez. Email them and ask them how many games they have. They have over 1000 game titles.

Also, as far as the under 1000 subscribers, that’s an educated guess. Look at previous releases and do some math….and also look at in/out of stock ratio.

Mach …
I hope all this planning turns into something GREAT. It is a good idea to have more then one distribution center if you have thousands of games. Maybe they are planning on a huge buying spree…. More then what they are telling us

[This message has been edited by BetNitAll (edited December 19, 2003).]

[This message has been edited by BetNitAll (edited December 19, 2003).]

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posted December 20, 2003 00:59            

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Originally posted by drwright68:
Betinit, i thin you are mistakking 1000 titles with 1000 games they have many copies of each title.

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posted December 20, 2003 01:35            

Don't know about everyone else, but I am really looking forward to the new site...Get all excited just thinking about it....hoping that the subscriber rate kept growing at that 30%-40% rate.

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Originally posted by Moose:
I don't think we need to worry about how many games/game titles they have at the momment. Once their subscriber base grows they will obviously add more games/titles. I sure it doesn't take long to add more games to their inventory, game publishers will be all over this company when it begins to advertise and grow.

[This message has been edited by Moose (edited December 20, 2003).]

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posted December 20, 2003 01:46            

The two metrics on Alexa's report that should really mean anything to us are reach per million users and pageviews per user.

Reach Per Million users measures the number of internet users who visit a site per 1M that go online during a given time period. 3 Month average for the three:
Gamefly: 93.5
GoVojo: 19.5
Veegeez: 4.5
Netflix for comparison: 2,020

Pageviews Per User measures the number of pages each unique user views per visit. This shows us whether users are actually staying and browsing the site or just leaving right away.
Gamefly: 6.2
GoVojo: 6.5
Veegeez: 4.5
Netflix for comparison: 7.9

I think this gives us a more accurate picture of where Veegeez stands.

quote:

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Originally posted by pbwizard:
Here is something of interest.

List of companies that rent videos and there traffic stats

Gamefly last 3 mths down 8% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.gamefly.com

Govojo last 3 mths down 20% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.govojo.com

VeeGeeZ last 3 mths up 340% http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?q=&url=http://www.veegeez.com/

These are the top 3 companies renting vidoes online. The traffic to the site has taken VeeGeeZ from an Alexa ranking of 559,831 3 months ago to 167,331 at present time. At this rate they should be into the top 100,000 websites on the web by the end of Jan. 2004 and if my calulations are correct they should hit top 55,000 websites by May 2004.

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posted December 20, 2003 02:01            

Here is the latest chart, now I will try and explain the techs as unbiased as I can.

Volume- not on the chart, but very low, under 2 mil. We will need more volume in the coming week for this to move up.

Candles- 3 days in a row of bullish candles, a good sign. Today's candle, a Hammer, shows a possible drop on monday. For an example look at the bullish hammer in mid-november followed by a bearish candle. This is usually a short term price correction. I dont expect a correction of novembers magnitude, because of the low volume. A drop to .027 .028 is realistic. After the correction, the trend will resume upwards, as it did in November

Williams %R- a measure of Oversold or Overbought securities. 80 is oversold, 20 is Overbought. When at 50, no matter which direction the price is going it is seen as a healthy rate of change.
//PGHI// This agrees with the candles that the correction expected will be small if at all, because it was not overbought on Friday, it was a healthy uptrend. IMO, we would reach 20 (overbought) if it ran to .06-.08 in 2 weeks, at which time I would cash in, take free shares, and wait for consolidation to end for a new entry point. What we WANT is SLOW STEADY INCREASE. This is how real gains are made.

Stochastic- another measure of oversold/overbought. Notice how it moves with the williams %R. "Stokes" are superior IMO because it has a Fast and Slow line. When the fast crosses the slow, it indicates a possible new trend.
//PGHI// 3 days ago the Fast crossed the slow and began moving UPWARDS, also seen in November before the big run up (Mach I hope you noticed that, guessing you did).

MACD. One of the most important indicators. Moving Average Convergence Divergance. The red line is the SLOW LINE or longer duration MA, grey is the fast line or shorter duration MA. In this case they are the 12/26.
There are a couple things to look at with this. When ABOVE the 0 line, it is said to be BULLISH, below bearish.
//PGHI// Currently we are above the 0, so we are still in a longer term bull run.
YOU MUST LOOK AT BOTH LINES. When the fast line crosses the slow line it is an indication of a possible new trend. The fast line for PGHI will move closer to the slow line and will be similar to November, where it hovered around the 0. The blue divergence bars indicate which direction the slow line is moving.

EMA (Exponential Moving Average)- Moving average taking into consideration larger price swings and calculating them in. A good reference before entering a position. Trading above short duration MA is short term Bullish. Above long duration is Long term bullish.
When prices drop, the VOLUME must be looked at. Dropping through any MA line on HUGE volume is BAD. However, hitting or going through any MA on LIGHT volume is ok, and is a possible reversal point.
//PGHI// Over the past 2 months PGHI has been keeping with the 10 DAY MOVING AVERAGE which is very bullish.
PGHI has touched the 30 Day moving average twice- In November when it bottomed, and this week, where it bottomed. And has not seen the 50 Day Moving average in a few months. This tells you the stock is bullish on short, monthly and quarterly durations.

**************SUMMARY*************
VOLUME= Needs to increase to 3-4 Mil/Day on the up days, and stay below 2-3 Mil on the down days.

CANDLES= Hammer. Bullish. Small Correction Possible Monday to ~ .027 .028

WILLIAMS %R= Oversold, becoming less oversold

STOCHASTICS= Oversold, becoming less oversold

MACD= Slow above 0, Long term bullish
Fast at the 0 moving back above 0, short term bullish

Exponential Moving Averages 10,30,50= Bullish on all three counts

*****OTHER FACTORS / SPECULATION********

MM SIGNALS
100 sale means MM needs shares
200 sale means MM needs shares bad-lot of orders he cannot cover
300 sale means MM is going to take price down to get shares
400 sale means trade sideways
500 sale gapping up or down depending on which way the sale went

Friday
12:28:26 200 NEEDS SHARES, much buying afterwards
15:57:48 300 0.03 + OTCBB near the close
15:57:18 300 0.029 - OTCBB

NEW WEBSITE
Is expected to come out be the EOY

CHRISTMAS RALLY
Its a tradition!

NAME CHANGE
Changing Name to GamezNFlix possible by end of January?

SITE RANKING / HITS
Site continues to get more hits month over month as other competing sites dwindle.

This has taken 2 hours to prepare, 45 min to type out, please read it.

Thank you to Mach, Mav, Marty, PSU, Milty, Raven, BetNit, and all others who actually get dirty, sift through those SEC files and other junk to get the real DD done.

And of course, pbwizard for this banner

Conclusion:

Respect and embrace the very normal 50-62% retracements that take prices back to major trends. If a trade is missed, wait patiently for the market to retrace. Far more often than not, retracements happen... just as we are about to give up hope that they shall not.

posted December 20, 2003 06:13            

But here is the temp one.
http://hostingprod.com/@onlinevideogamerental.com/

posted December 20, 2003 11:08            

GREAT POST ! DO YOU NEED AN APPRENTICE I CAN CERTAINLY LEARN A HELL OF A LOT FROM A BRIGHT MIND LIKE YOURS.I'M SERIOUS!

posted December 20, 2003 11:35            

I am also a member of Allstocks, but have not had the time recently to post much here, and my interests in the penny’s is limited to issues with very strong potential that I can validate, which has the requisites to move off the OTC, and onto a major exchange; hence, my investment in PGHI.

Over the years I have learned a few things about MM activities - and Friday there were two key signals sent out of the last four trades. Those trades follow-

12/19/03 17:10:00 0.031 0.029 0.032 0
12/19/03 15:58:49 0.031 0.029 0.032 112500
12/19/03 15:58:35 0.03 0.029 0.032 0
***12/19/03 15:57:59 0.03 0.029 0.032 300
12/19/03 15:57:47 0.029 0.029 0.032 0
***12/19/03 15:57:21 0.029 0.029 0.032 300
12/19/03 15:57:09 0.03 0.029 0.032 0
12/19/03 15:42:32 0.03 0.029 0.032 50044

The key signals were the two trades marked with ***

Nobody in their right mind would trade 300 shares of a stock with PPS of $0.029 and $0.03 = the trades would cost $8.70 and $9.00 respectively, which unless someone is using Freetrade, would be less than Commission costs…!

MMs use a set of predetermined signals – For all practical purposes, if the PPS is less than $1.00 the signals are often used on the major exchanges also … and at times they are used for stocks with PPS of greater than $1.00. Since we are talking micro-penny stocks here, nobody would trade 100, 200, 300, 400 or 500 shares of a stock trading for less than $0.10 ,,, and I do mean – nobody…! The key to MM signals follows-

100 sale means MM needs shares
200 sale means MM needs shares bad-lot of orders he cannot cover
300 sale means MM is going to take price down to get shares
400 sale means trade sideways
500 sale gapping up or down depending on which way the PPS goes – Up or Down

I have not been able to prove the signals in a dead to rights manner, but over a long span of time (40 years, with 15 years of Online Trading experience), whenever you see 100, 200 and 300 share trades in penny stocks – the MMs are going to go after shares…! I am not sure, but nearly every time I see a 200 share trade, and an immediate response at the sale Price be it Bid, Ask or in between, I am positive that the MM needs shares to cover a Naked Short position. By watching the 100, 200, and 300 share trades, and observing the trading activity that follows … a distinct and definite defined pattern can be detected. It is readily apparent from the activity that follows the “cue bids,” the MMs move the PPS according to the signal sent. Also, when signals are exchanged – trading will often stop, or pause for extended periods of time … during those lulls I personally think MMs are taking inventory since the activity that follows such lulls usually takes the PPS down.

In the case of the 500 share trades – watch the answering bids … an increase in PPS usually means the PPS will trade according to supply and demand … a decrease in PPS usually means – the MMs will “follow the leader” and the PPS will go down to where it needs to in order for MMs to take out Stop Limits. Also watch out for “odd lots” of any stock such as 3476, or 5928 – that usually means a specific MM needs a specific number of shares to fill a specific order. By watching the trades that follow such odd lots, you can often ascertain the numbers of shares an MM is trying to buy.

DISCLAIMER…! This is not rocket science, and everyone should try and put the pieces of the MM puzzle together for themselves – And remember, this is my opinion, and my opinion only … there are no “books” available that can validate my opinion … so, let us call this – my theory, and everyone should do their own research; by that, I refuse to accept any responsibility for what each of you do with the information as stated herein.

jwhite2913

quote:

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
From a RB member... that has earned a good reputation for interpreting MM activity. mach

Monday morning into the open-

The MMs will try and take PGHI down to get shares. Two of the MMs have bad lots of orders they cannot fill, and the orders are large orders...!

Be careful if you have Stop Limit Orders in place.....!

jwhite2913

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posted December 20, 2003 11:43            

quote:

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Originally posted by cabbage22:

Here is the latest chart, now I will try and explain the techs as unbiased as I can.

Volume- not on the chart, but very low, under 2 mil. We will need more volume in the coming week for this to move up.

Candles- 3 days in a row of bullish candles, a good sign. Today's candle, a Hammer, shows a possible drop on monday. For an example look at the bullish hammer in mid-november followed by a bearish candle. This is usually a short term price correction. I dont expect a correction of novembers magnitude, because of the low volume. A drop to .027 .028 is realistic. After the correction, the trend will resume upwards, as it did in November

Williams %R- a measure of Oversold or Overbought securities. 80 is oversold, 20 is Overbought. When at 50, no matter which direction the price is going it is seen as a healthy rate of change.
//PGHI// This agrees with the candles that the correction expected will be small if at all, because it was not overbought on Friday, it was a healthy uptrend. IMO, we would reach 20 (overbought) if it ran to .06-.08 in 2 weeks, at which time I would cash in, take free shares, and wait for consolidation to end for a new entry point. What we WANT is SLOW STEADY INCREASE. This is how real gains are made.

Stochastic- another measure of oversold/overbought. Notice how it moves with the williams %R. "Stokes" are superior IMO because it has a Fast and Slow line. When the fast crosses the slow, it indicates a possible new trend.
//PGHI// 3 days ago the Fast crossed the slow and began moving UPWARDS, also seen in November before the big run up (Mach I hope you noticed that, guessing you did).

MACD. One of the most important indicators. Moving Average Convergence Divergance. The red line is the SLOW LINE or longer duration MA, grey is the fast line or shorter duration MA. In this case they are the 12/26.
There are a couple things to look at with this. When ABOVE the 0 line, it is said to be BULLISH, below bearish.
//PGHI// Currently we are above the 0, so we are still in a longer term bull run.
YOU MUST LOOK AT BOTH LINES. When the fast line crosses the slow line it is an indication of a possible new trend. The fast line for PGHI will move closer to the slow line and will be similar to November, where it hovered around the 0. The blue divergence bars indicate which direction the slow line is moving.

EMA (Exponential Moving Average)- Moving average taking into consideration larger price swings and calculating them in. A good reference before entering a position. Trading above short duration MA is short term Bullish. Above long duration is Long term bullish.
When prices drop, the VOLUME must be looked at. Dropping through any MA line on HUGE volume is BAD. However, hitting or going through any MA on LIGHT volume is ok, and is a possible reversal point.
//PGHI// Over the past 2 months PGHI has been keeping with the 10 DAY MOVING AVERAGE which is very bullish.
PGHI has touched the 30 Day moving average twice- In November when it bottomed, and this week, where it bottomed. And has not seen the 50 Day Moving average in a few months. This tells you the stock is bullish on short, monthly and quarterly durations.

**************SUMMARY*************
VOLUME= Needs to increase to 3-4 Mil/Day on the up days, and stay below 2-3 Mil on the down days.

CANDLES= Hammer. Bullish. Small Correction Possible Monday to ~ .027 .028

WILLIAMS %R= Oversold, becoming less oversold

STOCHASTICS= Oversold, becoming less oversold

MACD= Slow above 0, Long term bullish
Fast at the 0 moving back above 0, short term bullish

Exponential Moving Averages 10,30,50= Bullish on all three counts

*****OTHER FACTORS / SPECULATION********

MM SIGNALS
100 sale means MM needs shares
200 sale means MM needs shares bad-lot of orders he cannot cover
300 sale means MM is going to take price down to get shares
400 sale means trade sideways
500 sale gapping up or down depending on which way the sale went

Friday
12:28:26 200 NEEDS SHARES, much buying afterwards
15:57:48 300 0.03 + OTCBB near the close
15:57:18 300 0.029 - OTCBB

NEW WEBSITE
Is expected to come out be the EOY

CHRISTMAS RALLY
Its a tradition!

NAME CHANGE
Changing Name to GamezNFlix possible by end of January?

SITE RANKING / HITS
Site continues to get more hits month over month as other competing sites dwindle.

This has taken 2 hours to prepare, 45 min to type out, please read it.

Thank you to Mach, Mav, Marty, PSU, Milty, Raven, BetNit, and all others who actually get dirty, sift through those SEC files and other junk to get the real DD done.

And of course, pbwizard for this banner

Conclusion:

Respect and embrace the very normal 50-62% retracements that take prices back to major trends. If a trade is missed, wait patiently for the market to retrace. Far more often than not, retracements happen... just as we are about to give up hope that they shall not.

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posted December 20, 2003 11:45            

quote:

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Originally posted by adrenalix:
You have to be really careful with reading traffic rankings since it is all relative. It is not necessarily an accurate measure of a site's popularity. (traffic could be the same one week but if 100 others dropped, your ranking goes up.)

The two metrics on Alexa's report that should really mean anything to us are reach per million users and pageviews per user.

Reach Per Million users measures the number of internet users who visit a site per 1M that go online during a given time period. 3 Month average for the three:
Gamefly: 93.5
GoVojo: 19.5
Veegeez: 4.5
Netflix for comparison: 2,020

Pageviews Per User measures the number of pages each unique user views per visit. This shows us whether users are actually staying and browsing the site or just leaving right away.
Gamefly: 6.2
GoVojo: 6.5
Veegeez: 4.5
Netflix for comparison: 7.9

I think this gives us a more accurate picture of where Veegeez stands.

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posted December 20, 2003 11:51            

Thanks again. I often look "everywhere" that I can to gather information with respect to a the market, company, techs, and stock movement indicators. Your knowledge of how MM's work is certainly a value to all PGHI shareholders in general. I will make sure your post is highlighted for members here on Monday mornings as I would not like to see anyone lose shares as MM do their best to collect shares... and take out the stop-loss orders. Logic would tell me that a few traders may "assume" that .03 will now become a floor and place their stop-loss right under the floor... No doubt in my mind that MM will collect them as soon as they can forcing these individuals to likely buy back in at a higher price... as MM will also likely leave a big spread.... I personally read as many threads on every board as possible... Your threads have been very enlightening. Thanks again! mach

quote:

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Originally posted by jwhite2913:
mach - Everyone,

I am also a member of Allstocks, but have not had the time recently to post much here, and my interests in the penny’s is limited to issues with very strong potential that I can validate, which has the requisites to move off the OTC, and onto a major exchange; hence, my investment in PGHI.

Over the years I have learned a few things about MM activities - and Friday there were two key signals sent out of the last four trades. Those trades follow-

12/19/03 17:10:00 0.031 0.029 0.032 0
12/19/03 15:58:49 0.031 0.029 0.032 112500
12/19/03 15:58:35 0.03 0.029 0.032 0
***12/19/03 15:57:59 0.03 0.029 0.032 300
12/19/03 15:57:47 0.029 0.029 0.032 0
***12/19/03 15:57:21 0.029 0.029 0.032 300
12/19/03 15:57:09 0.03 0.029 0.032 0
12/19/03 15:42:32 0.03 0.029 0.032 50044

The key signals were the two trades marked with ***

Nobody in their right mind would trade 300 shares of a stock with PPS of $0.029 and $0.03 = the trades would cost $8.70 and $9.00 respectively, which unless someone is using Freetrade, would be less than Commission costs…!

MMs use a set of predetermined signals – For all practical purposes, if the PPS is less than $1.00 the signals are often used on the major exchanges also … and at times they are used for stocks with PPS of greater than $1.00. Since we are talking micro-penny stocks here, nobody would trade 100, 200, 300, 400 or 500 shares of a stock trading for less than $0.10 ,,, and I do mean – nobody…! The key to MM signals follows-

100 sale means MM needs shares
200 sale means MM needs shares bad-lot of orders he cannot cover
300 sale means MM is going to take price down to get shares
400 sale means trade sideways
500 sale gapping up or down depending on which way the PPS goes – Up or Down

I have not been able to prove the signals in a dead to rights manner, but over a long span of time (40 years, with 15 years of Online Trading experience), whenever you see 100, 200 and 300 share trades in penny stocks – the MMs are going to go after shares…! I am not sure, but nearly every time I see a 200 share trade, and an immediate response at the sale Price be it Bid, Ask or in between, I am positive that the MM needs shares to cover a Naked Short position. By watching the 100, 200, and 300 share trades, and observing the trading activity that follows … a distinct and definite defined pattern can be detected. It is readily apparent from the activity that follows the “cue bids,” the MMs move the PPS according to the signal sent. Also, when signals are exchanged – trading will often stop, or pause for extended periods of time … during those lulls I personally think MMs are taking inventory since the activity that follows such lulls usually takes the PPS down.

In the case of the 500 share trades – watch the answering bids … an increase in PPS usually means the PPS will trade according to supply and demand … a decrease in PPS usually means – the MMs will “follow the leader” and the PPS will go down to where it needs to in order for MMs to take out Stop Limits. Also watch out for “odd lots” of any stock such as 3476, or 5928 – that usually means a specific MM needs a specific number of shares to fill a specific order. By watching the trades that follow such odd lots, you can often ascertain the numbers of shares an MM is trying to buy.

DISCLAIMER…! This is not rocket science, and everyone should try and put the pieces of the MM puzzle together for themselves – And remember, this is my opinion, and my opinion only … there are no “books” available that can validate my opinion … so, let us call this – my theory, and everyone should do their own research; by that, I refuse to accept any responsibility for what each of you do with the information as stated herein.

jwhite2913

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posted December 20, 2003 12:04            

WITH REGARDS TO THE MM SIGNALS WOULD YOU THINK THAT THEY KNOW PEOPLE ARE AWARE OF THE SIGNALS AND CHANGE THEM FROM TIME TO TIME? YOU SPOKE ABOUT A LULL IN TRADING WILL LEAD TO A DROP IN PRICE IS THAT A PATTERN THAT IS CONSISTANT OR IS IT A 50/50 CHANCE.I SAT IN ONE OF THOSE LULLS ON FRIDAY WITH GMED @.041 AND WHEN THE LULL WAS OVER IT WAS @0.048.I TOO DID NOT BUY FEARING THE DROP AND THEN WATCHED IT SHOOT UP.WOULD LIKE SOME DIRECTION FROM SOMEONE MORE SEASONED THAN ME.

TRSTURGUT-18