posted October 04, 2004 11:48            

quote:

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Originally posted by denzen:
Diana,
I've misplaced your phone#.
Will you please call me.

DZ

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WILL DO!!

posted October 04, 2004 12:21            

MEDIA ADVISORY

You may recall that GLINN did a major article on the Gay
Television Network the beginning of the year that was
distributed free to all publications and members on our
list. GTN announced they were going to be on Echostar's
DISH Network and Dish denied it. GTN never could produce
the contract they claimed to have. The gay community
has heard little from them since.

However, they have not gone away. GTN which changed its name
to Triangle Television Network has announced at least 3
launch dates and did not meet any of them. There is always
some excuse which fails to check out. A couple of months ago
they announced they would launch on September 5, 2001. They
have issued press releases about forthcoming news and events
and have not executed on any of them in a timely manner. They
have announced a tire company as a sponsor, but fail to identify
the company. They have not announced what network will
carry their channel. They have not provided any verifiable
details.

(See the PR's on qbid.net or triangletelevisionnetwork.com)

Now, the most shocking thing of all. The corporations behind
the Triangle Television Network, Triangle Multi-Media, Inc.,
Triangle Broadcasting Corporation and Co-Media Corporation are
all Nevada and Washington corporations. These corporations
operate only in Palm Springs, CA. None of them are registered
with the California Secretary of State as foreign corporations
as the law requires. This means they do not legally exist in
California and they cannot own property, have employees, enter
into contracts or anything else. They do not legally exist.
There are also substantial penalties for this violation of
the law.

This information can be verified on the web site of the
California Secretary of State or by calling that office.

Yet, Triangle Multi-Media, Inc. is a publicly traded company.
Its stock, symbol QBID, is traded on the NASDAQ pink sheets.
Stockholders purchase the stock on the basis of the promised
Triangle Television Network. In reality, none of these stock-
holders own any part of the network. This would appear to be
a massive stock fraud. Also, this is a non-reporting company.

We have long suspected that Triangle and other companies operated
by Frank Olsen from the 1000 E. Tahquitz Canyon, Palm Springs, are
nothing more than pump and dump stock scams. The QBID stock, in
fact, has been recently pumped by a number of promoters paid in
hundreds of thousands of shares of QBID stock. Many of these pumpers
operate on QBID bulletin boards on stock sites trying to entice
individuals into purchasing this stock. Many of the individuals
purchasing this stock are gay/lesbian.

GLINN is issuing this message as a warning and an invitation
to the gay/lesbian media to investigate this for themselves
and develop news articles for their readers.

----------------------

We would also be interested in copies of any news articles
that have been produced recently. We would also like to know
if Triangle has done any advertising in the gay press other
than the unpaid ads promoting its original launch on the
DISH Network.

posted October 04, 2004 12:43            

Dish Network Denies Contract and Claims of Homophobia

By Dan F. Schramm, GLINN

January 29, 2001 - (Gay/Lesbian International News Network at www.glinn.com) --- A news release distributed via PRNewswire on
January 16, 2001 by the Gay Television Network
(www.gaytelevisionchannel.com) announcing their launch next month on
the Dish Satellite Network has resulted in the Dish Network denying
on January 23, 2001 that it is carrying the channel. Gay Television
Network (GTN) says it has a contract and representatives of EchoStar
Communications, the parent of Dish Network deny it. The news release
remains viewable on the prnewswire.com web site.

Gay Television Network has been promoting its carriage on the
Dish Network for several months, and has been running advertisements
with the Dish Network logo in gay publications selling subscriptions
to the service. A couple of thousand people have signed up. GTN
customer service representatives are continuing to accept signups as
late as January 23. and stated repeatedly the channel will be on the
Dish Network in the early part of February.

Dish Network associate public relations director Marc Lumpkin
denied they knew anything about GTN until the January 16 news release.
GTN claims its ads were approved by Dish Network, while Dish denied
any knowledge of them or approval for them. Dish Network customer
service has no knowledge of GTN and the programming department via
email has denied its existence continuously since November
when GLINN first learned of GTN.

The Dish Network demanded that GTN remove the Dish name and
logo from its web site and retract the news release. Both parties
confirm that Dish information was removed from the GTN web site.
No public retraction appears to have been issued. GLINN also spoke
with public relations director Juliann Atencio who said that GTN had
apologized. She stated that Dish Network contracts also require that
all news releases including their name be cleared by them in advance.
She denied that GTN had any contract with Dish. The MSN news item
also refers to a service called "Premium Choice" which Dish says
does not exist.

GTN claims that MSN.com rewrote the GTN news release stating
that the Dish Network was going to launch a gay channel and that a
major Mormon Dish stockholder complained to high ranking Dish Network
executives who got cold feet. The article no longer remains on MSN for
checking. (The original MSN news items is available on the GLINN site
at www.glinn.com).Dish Network strongly denied that this was the case
or that Dish Network was homophobic. Lumpkin denied that sexuality was
an issue or that Dish censors content. He refused to state that Dish
Network has no problem with gay content, but pointed out that Dish
carries the Showtime channel and is promoting "Queer as Folk" with
Showtime. Dish Network also carries a number of other adult channels.

Dish Network spokesman Lumpkin stated that the GTN did not
have a contract with the Dish Network, but would not comment if such
a contract was being negotiated. Gay Television Network insists
it has an existing contract, not that one is being negotiated, with
the Dish Network to carry its channel 12 hours a day and 24 hours on
weekends for a fee of $360,000 a month. Investigation shows this
claim has a number of problems.

From this point things get fuzzier and even more complicated.
Gay Television Network is a brand name (and registered trademark) for
a service involving two different corporations. Triangle Multi-
Media Limited, Inc. is producing the network's content and signing up
subscribers. Another company Co-Media is handling the programming
distribution and selling of advertising. Co-Media has not announced
any signed advertisers.

Frank Olsen states that Co-Media has a contract with Dish
Network, and provided a letter on Echostar letterhead signed by Mark
Jackson, Senior Vice President, which could be interpreted to support
the contention the Dish had a contract with Co-Media which was up for
renewal. Jackson's secretary refused to allow this reporter to speak
with him and insisted that only the public relations director could
speak for the company. Dish spokesperson Lumpkin, upon request of
this reporter, double checked and stated they had no agreement with
GTN, Triangle Multi-Media or Co-Media.

Lumpkin also said he was familiar with the Jackson letter,
and that the letter, dated November 28, 2000 was part of a
negotiation and was sent to clarify what the procedure would be if
the proposed contract came to the end of its term. To take the letter
the way GTN claims, would mean that Co-Media had an existing contract
that was coming to an end. Dish Network denies it ever had a contract
with Co-Media, and says that providing this letter to the media
rather than showing an actual contract talks for itself.

GTN points out that it has been selling Dish subscriptions,
and attended Dish training seminars. Unfortunately, this is an
entirely different matter than having a Dish Network channel. Just
about any company can be a reseller of Dish Network systems/
programming. GLINN itself is a dealer for Dish Network systems. On
January 25, GTN was still signing people up for Dish Network
subscriptions including the Gay Television Channel, stating GTN
would be on the Dish Network even after removing the Dish name and
logos from its web site. GTN quoted a price of $64.94 per month
with the first month activation billing of $49.99. GTN customer
representative Tiffany stated that nobody would be charged
until the network launched. Olsen also assured this writer that no
customer would be charged until the network was launched.

Dish Network representatives were flabbergasted at the rates
charged by GTN which do not correspond to any Dish subscription
package. The 150 channel package is $39.99 per month. It would
seem that GTN is charging that plus an additional $24.95 for its own
channel. The $19.95 charge claimed by GTN in its Prnewswire release
and quoted by other media is not supported by GTN's own marketing
statements to its customers and potential customers.

Triangle and Co-Media claim to have invested $3.5 million
on GTN and have another $3.5 committed. Olsen, president of Triangle
was interviewed by this reporter and said that 30 gay and lesbian
people with extensive broadcasting experience were involved in the
venture. Olsen said Triangle owned two radio stations and had sold
Palm Springs television station KPSP (UHF Ch. 55) for $1.2 million
to raise money for the GTN venture. Olsen said he had 30 years of
experience buying and selling distressed television stations. Marvin
Jenkins is CEO of Co-Media. He mentioned two lawyers involved in the
project: Dick Weiner was an attorney for ABC Television for many
years, winner of a Peabody award, and attorney Max Craig, also with
many years of broadcast experience. A number of other employees and
some investors were named, including a doctor who sold his
chiropractic practice to invest the money in GTN.

The beginning of November 2000, GTN was running advertisements
in gay publications. GTN did not pay for these advertisements. They
were placed on what is called "per inquiry." GTN promised to pay
publications $10.00 for each signup of an existing Dish subscriber
and $25.00 for each new Dish subscriber they signed up. Gay Chicago
Magazine, associate publisher Gerry Williams, said that after
running a number of full page ads, a letter from GTN on December 1,
stated 8 people had signed up. Payments are currently overdue. The
January 16 GTN news release reveals that only 2,000 people have
signed up. Other publications, such as Wisconsin's In Step magazine
refused to run the advertisements, according to publisher Bill
Attewell, although the newspaper did run a front page story about GTN.

On January 25, two days after inquiries from GLINN, Co-Media,
Inc. sent a letter to publishers claiming an existing contract, and
accusing Dish Network of homophobia. It apparently sent the "Jackson"
letter as well together with a letter from Co-Media to Dish Network's
Michael Schwimmer complaining of the apparent Dish reversal.

Sources, including Dish Network, wonder how these lawyers
could allow their business, entrusted with $3.5 million of investor's
money, to run newspaper advertisements as early as November 9,
2000 featuring the Dish Network name and logo, without having an
iron-clad contract with Dish Network in place. They asked, "if there
is a contract, why was GTN unable or unwilling to show one, but
instead had to provide a letter" of debatable value?

There is yet another problem with the November 28 letter.
This letter refers to a BTV agreement. BTV means "Business Television"
which is different from a public broadcast channel on the Dish
Network. A BTV channel is used by companies to send private
programming to retail locations or in the case of a major real estate
company to employees at their homes. Dish Network had no idea how
Triangle/Co-Media could manage to do GTN with a business television
channel. There are billing and other issues which render that
approach difficult if not impossible. Dish does not provide any
information on the private BTV channels which could explain why Dish
customer service had never heard of GTN.

These channels are not part of any Dish subscription. This is
perhaps part of the problem. Sources speculated that GTN was trying
to save money by using the BTV approach and Dish would not allow a
broadcast channel to be done that way. A 24/7 broadcast channel is
substantially more expensive. Dish would not comment on previous or
any ongoing negotiations.

The January 16 GTN news release states, "Naturally the Dish
Network's subscriber base of 5 million is a rich resource for new
viewers." Unfortunately, none of those 5 million viewers would know
anything about GTN under a BTV agreement. GTN did not claim they have
a contract for a full broadcast channel on Dish Network nor do the
letters provided support that idea. Thus, the reference to the
potential offered by the viewers of Dish Network appears to be
wishful thinking.

In response to a series of questions faxed to Triangle
Multi-Media's Frank Olsen, this reporter was telephoned and conducted
an extensive interview. During the interview, GLINN was invited to
visit GTN offices and see its offices and studio facility. On January
26 we faxed Olsen at two known working fax numbers and accepted the
invitation subject to a number of conditions, including access to
financial records, documents such as the alleged contract, and
agreements to broadcast the movies named in their press releases and
on their web site. We also requested to videotape all interviews and
photograph the facility. As of midnight January 29, this fax has
been ignored. The release of this news story, originally planned for
January 23 was delayed while we waited for an expected response.

Interestingly, a news story linked on the GTN web site, dated
January 26, 2001 has appeared on a Michigan gay news web site
(www.metrog.com) authored by a person only identified as "Crusader"
which pretty closely follows the information provided to GLINN. The
author claims to have visited the GTN studio in Palm Springs, CA and
attests to its existence. This story also quotes another report on
the www.tvinsite.com web news site. An extensive search of that web
site fails to turn up any mention of GTN. The author also claims that
Marc Lumpkin claimed on January 26, several days after he was
interviewed by GLINN, to have no knowledge of the situation. The
article states "spokesperson Mark Lumkin said he had no idea what
I was talking about." ("Crusader" fails to spell either the first
name or last name of the Dish spokesman correctly.)

posted October 04, 2004 12:50            

EVERYTHING IS MOVING FORWARD. WHILE MOST WILL TELL YOU THAT IT'S DROPPED
TO
THE CURRENT SUB-PENNY OF .008+/- FROM .018 A FEW WEEKS AGO AND A RECENT
HIGH
OF .027 MEANS IT'S A FRAUD. WELL A .02 STOCK FROM .0001 ISN'T ALL THAT
MUCH
OF ANYTHING TO BASE YOUR OPINION ON. MOST ARE ATTACKING THIS STOCK AT THE
..02 LEVEL AS THOUGH IT'S LISTED ON NASDAQ WITH FULL REPORTING. IF THE
STOCK
WERE SITTING AT .05 RIGHT NOW, NO ONE WOULD BE COMPLAINING AND YOU WOULD
HEAR THE CONTINUED SINGING AND PRAISES OF HOW WONDERFUL AND WHAT A GREAT
FUTURE Q-TV HAS. THE BOTTOM LINE HAS ALWAYS BEEN WITH THIS STOCK, LAUNCH
AND GIVE US THE STRENGTH OF ADVERTISERS. WELL WE HAVE 50% OF THE EQUATION
BEING TEST LAUNCH MAY 15. SOFT LAUNCH JUNE 1 AND "FULL" 8 HR PROGRAMMING
REPEATED 3 TIMES FOR A 24-HR BROADCAST. FRANK OLSEN (CEO) HAS MADE IT
CLEAR
HE WILL NOT RELEASE INFO PERTAINING TO CARRIAGE, MEANING CARRIER
PROVIDERS,
UNTIL HE HAS THE SIGNED CONTRACT IN HAND. WE CAN ONLY GO BY WHAT CONCRETE
FACTS WE HAVE AND THE LAUNCH IS A CONCRETE FACT. YOU CAN TURN ON TV AND
SEE
IT.

Q-TV IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY AND IN MY OPINION, AT .008 A GOOD TIME TO JUMP
ON
BOARD. YOUR SITTING IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME WITH A
GAY/LESBIAN
TV STATION.

A FEW THINGS TO REMEMBER ABOUT THIS STOCK.. 1 IT'S A PINK. 2 PEOPLE ON
MESSAGE BOARDS CREATE 95% OF SEC COMPLAINTS ABOUT A STOCK AND THOSE 95%
ARE
USUALLY PINK SHEET STOCKS. MOST PEOPLE WHO POST DO NOT KNOW HOW STOCKS
WORK
AND SIMPLY BELIEVE THAT SINCE A STOCK IS GOING UP IN PRICE, IT MUST BE
DOING
SOMETHING RIGHT AND WHEN IT GOES DOWN, SOMETHING MUST BE WRONG (FRAUD).
WE
LIVE IN A TABLOIDS SOCIETY AND PEOPLE ARE MORE CONCERNED WITH WHO BRITANY
SPEARS IS GETTING MARRIED TO AND KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT THEN THEY DO ABOUT
THE
STOCKS THEY ARE CLAIMING TO BE FRAUDS. ALSO THE SAME PEOPLE WHO GET ON
BOARDS AND CLAIM FRAUD OR WHAT A JOKE A CERTAIN STOCK IS ARE THE SAME
ONE'S
WHO SIT AT HOME, CLICK ON A MESSAGE BOARD TO RANT AND HAVE DONE ABSOLUTLY
NOTHING FOR THE COMPANY AND IT'S SHARE PRICE. THEY ALL USE THE STANDARD
WELL I OWN THE COMPANY I'M INVESTED IN BUT AREN'T WILLING TO DO ANYTHING
TO
HELP. CASE IN POINT, NUMEROUS PEOPLE IN MIAMI OWN Q-TV AND NOT ONE OF
THEM
HAS DONE ANYTHING TO ASSIST IN PROMOTION FOR Q-TV IN A HIGH POPULATION OF
GAY PEOPLE BUT WILL BE THE FIRST IN LINE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT HOW Q-TV ISN'T
DOING ANYTHING.

SO I'LL HOLD THIS STOCK FOR THE NEXT YEAR TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT IS
TRULY
INVOLVED IN STARTING A TELEVISION STATION AS WELL AS A GAY ONE IN THIS DAY
AND AGE. SUCH A GOOD IDEA A COMPANY SUCH A CBS/VIACOM ANNOUNCES THAT IT'S
FOLLOWING THROUGH AND WILL BEGIN BROADCAST FEB 18, 2005 OF IT'S GAY "LOGO"
NETWORK.

I NEVER PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO PEOPLE TELLING ME HOW HORRIBLE A STOCK IS
WHEN
THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT WORKS ON THE DOUBLE
STANDARD PRINCIPAL TO FIT THEIR VIEWS.

CASE AND POINT. LOOK AT ALL THE PEOPLE SAYING QBID IS A FRAUD AND HAVE NO
KNOWLEDGE ABOUT HOW TO START A TV STATION OR WHAT'S INVOLVED AND FURTHER,
THEY CAN SAY IT'S A FRAUD BUT PROVE IT. AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO 50% WAS
GETTING A SIGNAL UP AND RUNNING WHICH WE ARE AND THE OTHER 25% IS SIGNAL
PROVIDERS AND 25% IS ADVERTISERS.

ULTIMATELY, FRANK AND COMPANY ARE WORKING IN CALIFORNIA TRYING TO MAKE
THIS
WORK AND THEIR FINANCIAL SUCCESS IS BASED UPON THE SHARES THEY ARE ABLE TO
SELL ONCE THEY ARE UP AND RUNNING A COMPLETE NETWORK.

FACTS ARE:

SIGNAL IS UP 24HRS

FRANK MADE IT CLEAR HE MADE THE MISTAKE RELEASEING SIGNAL INFO BACK IN
2000
WHEN HE WAS NOT AUTHORIZED TO DO SO AND CAUSED PROBLEMS SO HE'S NOT
RELEASING THE CURRENT (PENDING) INFO HE HAS UNTIL CONFIRMATION.

YOU CAN FORM YOUR OWN CONCLUSION WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE ACTIVELY SEEKING
ADVERTISERS. I BELIEVE THAT SINCE WE HAVE THE ABOVE 2 FACTS THAT
ADVERTISING IS A GIVEN.

posted October 04, 2004 13:03            

2SLOWINBED, err 2fastinbed, errr 2dogsandapoddleinbed,...

Thanks for posting your dribble drabble from almost FIVE yearsa ago!

posted October 04, 2004 13:05            

"the article is no longer available on MSN."

posted October 04, 2004 13:14            

quote:

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by "SLURPY" <U4TSAF2@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 6, 2004 at 04:27 PM

I NEVER PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO PEOPLE TELLING ME HOW HORRIBLE A STOCK IS
WHEN THESE ARE THE SAME PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT WORKS ON THE DOUBLE
STANDARD PRINCIPAL TO FIT THEIR VIEWS.

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posted October 04, 2004 13:17            

quote:

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Originally posted by denzen:
Diana,
I've misplaced your phone#.
Will you please call me.

DZ

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I AM PACKED!!

posted October 04, 2004 15:19            

quote:

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Originally posted by sunny:
HAVE FUN!!!

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MIGHT TAKE A LITTLE JAUNT TO VEGAS!! THANKS SUNNY--I ALWAYS HAVE FUN!!

WELL, SPENT THE KIDS MONEY ON MBAH TODAY AT .026.

posted October 04, 2004 16:18            

quote:

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Originally posted by denzen:
Pennytrader, congrats on your jump!
There's a small airport about 5 miles from where I live and every weekend dozens of jumpers are floating down at variable speeds with the Rockies in the background. It's quite a sight and gets me a little itchy to try it. For the cost of another jumper, around $100., they will videotape your whole jump, from preboarding plane to statement after landing.
If you do it again, you could check for that where your at.
DZ

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posted October 04, 2004 16:27            

quote:

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Originally posted by Earth_Shaker:
Reality I thought you were going to spend the kids money on QBID ?????

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HUMMMM. NOW LET ME THINK??? MBAH UP 50% OR QBID DOWN 2%. IT WAS KIND OF A NO BRAINER!!

NOW I HAVE MORE MONEY TO BUY MORE QBID WITH WHEN IT HITS BOTTOM. IMHO .0036!!!

posted October 04, 2004 16:29            

nice move

quote:

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Originally posted by realityinc21:
HUMMMM. NOW LET ME THINK??? MBAH UP 50% OR QBID DOWN 2%. IT WAS KIND OF A NO BRAINER!!

NOW I HAVE MORE MONEY TO BUY MORE QBID WITH WHEN IT HITS BOTTOM. IMHO .0036!!!

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posted October 04, 2004 17:13            

quote:

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Originally posted by Bigrod40:
This is huge....

Chicago Gay Games Signs Multi-million
Deal for TV/Radio Broadcast Rights
Letter of Intent Signed with California-based Q Television Network

CHICAGO, IL – Chicago organizers of Gay Games VII today announced a multi-million dollar cash and barter deal assigning television and radio broadcast rights to the Q Television network. Q Television Network and Chicago Games, Inc. (CGI) signed a Letter of Intent (LOI) marking the final negotiation period for an agreement transferring the media rights to the California-based cable network.

The LOI outlines the broad terms of the proposed deal, including broadcast rights, joint development of Gay Games-related programming, broadcast airtime for advanced Gay Games advertising, and live and taped coverage of Gay Games VII events from 15 to 22 July 2006. As part of the proposed agreement, Q Television, a subscriber-based television network affiliated with RCN Cable and other providers, will unscramble its signal during live coverage of the Gay Games in 2006. Q Television would also serve as the agent for the redistribution of television and radio broadcast rights, allowing for access beyond Q Television’s cable footprint, especially in international markets. The media rights being sold would not prohibit standard news coverage.

http://www.chicago2006.org/

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Since BigRod posted this last week, I brought it over for those who missed reading it.

posted October 04, 2004 17:34            

quote:

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Originally posted by ron4498:
Rock Star Melissa Etheridge
Signs Up To Support the Gay Games


CHICAGO, IL -- Internationally acclaimed rock-star Melissa Etheridge signed on today as the newest Gay Games Ambassador, joining a growing list of athletes, artists, activists and celebrities supporting the movement in advance of Gay Games VII, scheduled for 15-22 July 2006 in Chicago. Registration for the quadrennial event opened 1 July 2004 online at GayGamesChicago.org.

The Federation of Gay Games (FGG) made the announcement jointly with Chicago Games, Inc., the host of Gay Games VII. ?Melissa Etheridge is a cultural icon and highly regarded proponent of human rights,? said FGG co-president Roberto Mantaci, from his home in Paris.
http://www.chicago2006.org/

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Thanks again, Ron, for this post!

posted October 04, 2004 17:48            

Do you know what WD40 stands for? Water Displacement perfected on the 40th try.

So you better believe they didn't have a name until they were settled on the product.
They were originally called "Rocket Chemical Company".

posted October 04, 2004 17:55            

the company i have worked for has changed its name 3 times since 1999 and we are bigger then ever.

name changes dont mean squat these days

quote:

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Originally posted by 1BigTip:
U4 mentions name changes. Do you know how many times a "start-up" company changes their name until they are settled on 1?

Do you know what WD40 stands for? Water Displacement perfected on the 40th try.

So you better believe they didn't have a name until they were settled on the product.
They were originally called "Rocket Chemical Company".

I personally like Q Television Network. Q stands for something. and Triangle is the parent company.

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posted October 04, 2004 18:42            

COMMERCIAL Closet, a Web site that promotes better representation of gays in advertising, got a boost from an unexpected source: the right-wing American Family Association. After the AFA alerted members to a Downy ad featuring two gay men in bed together, Commercial Closet was swarmed with AFA members trying to find it, nearly downing its server. "We ended up getting one and a half million hits per hour," says Commercial Closet director Michael Wilke, who noted that the Downy ad is four years old and ran only in Canada. "It's ironic that it worked out this way, but we've actually benefited from all this exposure. A lot of people have been introduced to us for the first time." http://www.nypost.com/gossip/29655.htm

All exposure is good exposure, as they say...

Just wait 'til we get some REAL Q bashing.
~BB

posted October 04, 2004 19:34            

quote:

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Originally posted by U4TSAF2:

... blah, blah, blah...

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I would say "Thank you for your opinion", but now you're not even typing your own stuff. Cheater! (and still a LOSER)

posted October 04, 2004 20:04            

PER FRANK OLSEN:

Q-TELEVISION WILL SPEND $370,000 PER MONTH FOR OUTSIDE PROGRAMMING. $200,000 ON PRODUCTION. REDUCED MONTHLY EXPENSE TO $33,000 PER MONTH.

SINCE 2000 QBID HAS DONE NOTTA AND FOR THE CACULATION HEREIN, I'LL LEAVE IT AT THE REDUCED RATE OF $33,000 PER MONTH.

$370,000 + $200,000 = $570,000/MONTH. NOW ADD $33,000 IS $603,000 PER MONTH.

$33,000 PER MONTH SINCE 2000 IS 48 MONTHS TOTAL $1,584,000 TO DATE.

$603,000 TIMES 12 MONTHS IS $7,236,000.

150,000 SUBS AT $7.95/MONTH IS $14,310,000.

RCN GETS 30% TO 50% INDUSTRY AVERAGE FOR THE SIGNAL AND I'LL LOWBALL IT AT 30%. $14,310,000 TIMES 30% IS $4,293,000 LEAVING $10,017,000.

$10,017,000 MINUS OPERATING EXPENSES ($7,236,000) EQUALS $2,781,000.

$2,781,000 NET PROFIT.

FRANK TELLS US HE HAS SECURED FINANCING TO GUARANTEE 5-YEARS BROADCAST. FOLLOWED UP BY HE HAS HEDGE FUNDS GIVING HIM A "LOAN" OF $2 MILLION DOLLARS TO SECURE THE FIRST YEAR OF BROADCAST.

WELL WAIT. HOW DOES $2 MILLION DOLLARS SECURE THE FIRST YEAR BROADCAST WHEN BY FRANKS OWN NUMBERS, THE COST IS:

$370,000 + $200,000 = $570,000/MONTH. NOW ADD $33,000 IS $603,000 PER MONTH IS $603,000 TIMES 12 MONTHS IS $7,236,000. BUT WAIT FRANK, HOW DID YOU SECURE THE FIRST YEAR BROADCAST ($2-MILLION) WHEN YOUR OPERATING EXPENSES ARE $7,236,000 (SEVEN MILLION).

SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO RUN YOUR STATION ON $2 MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE FIRST YEAR. LET ALONE YOUR 5-YEAR BROADCAST.

SO FOR THE SAKE OF MATH.

IF 2 YEARS OF FINANCING TO SECURE 1-YEAR OF BROADCAST IS $2 MILLION DOLLARS. YOU TOLD US YOU SECURED 5-YEARS OF BROADCAST SO WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT 5-YEARS TIMES $2-MILLION PER YEAR IS $10,000,000. NOW WE HAVE 5-YEARS AND THEN YOU ANNOUNCES YOU HAVE 1-YEAR FINANCING BROADCAST SECURED SO THAT TOTALS 6-YEARS AT $12,000,000 (TWELVE-MILLION DOLLARS).

SO $12,000,000 IN LOANS WITH BUSINESS LOANS GENERAL FOR 10-YEAR PERIOD MEANS YOU HAVE A MONTHLY PAYMENT OF $145,593.11 AT 8% OR $1,747,117.32 PER YEAR. NOW ADD THAT TO YOUR MONTHLY OPERATING EXPENSES WHICH IS $603,000 PER MONTH GIVING US A TRUE OPERATING EXPENSE OF $748,000 OR $8,983,116 PER YEAR BRINGING OUR NET INCOME TO:

GROSS: $14,310,000
RCN: $4,293,000
__________________________

$10,013,000

EXPENSES: $8,983,116

NET PROFIT: $1,033,882

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE $33,000 PER MONTH OR $1,584,000 IN FUNDS THAT HAVE MAKE FRANKS OFFICE RENT PAYMENT, ELECTRIC, FED HIM AND HIS STAFF FOR THE PAST 4-YEARS. WHERE DID $1,584,000 COME FROM WHEN THERE IS ABSOLUTELY ZERO INCOME FOR QBID FOR THE PAST 4-YEARS AND TO DATE THERE IS NOT A SINGLE SOURCE OF INCOME.

SO ON THIS $1-MILLION DOLLAR PLUS IN NET INCOME, FRANK TELLS US THAT INDUSTRY INSIDERS CLAIM QBID TO BE WORTH $1-BILLION DOLLARS.

FURTHER, RCN HAS AT BEST 400,000 SUBSCRIBERS. IF 3% OF THE POPULATION IS GAY, HOW MANY OF THEM WILL ORDER A GAY STATION? SO LET'S SAY 1% OF THE 3% ORDERS GAY TV. THAT IS A TOTAL OF:

DUM DA DUM.... DRUM ROLL........

4,000 SUBSCRIBERS.

I WAS ON THE GOLF COURSE WHEN A FROG SAID "RIBBIT 9-IRON". I PULLED THE 9-IRON AND THE BALL WENT RIGHT IN.

THE NEXT HOLE, A FROG SAID "RIBBIT 7-IRON". I PULLED THE 7-IRON AND THE BALL WENT RIGHT IN.

I PICKED UP THIS FROG AND ASKED HIM IF HE WAS ACTUALLY TALKING TO ME "RIBBIT, YES I AM" HE SAID.

AT THE END OF THE 18TH, HE SAID TO ME "RIBBIT, TAKE ME TO THE BAR" SO I TOOK HIM TO THE BAR WITH ME.

AT THE BAR HE SAID "RIBBIT, I WANT A SCOTCH AND SODA" SO I ORDERED HIM A SCOTCH AND SODA.

HE THEN TOLD ME "RIBBIT, TAKE ME TO YOUR PLACE" AND I WENT HOME WITH HIM.

HE THEN SAID "RIBBIT, KISS ME AND I'LL TURN INTO A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN" AND I KISSED HIM AND HE TURNED INTO A BEAUTIFUL WOMAN.

AND THAT YOUR HONOR IS HOW THE 14-YEAR OLD ENDED UP IN MY HOTEL ROOM.

posted October 04, 2004 20:33            

FRANK TELLS US THAT BROUGHT ABOUT 50,000 INQUIRIES (WHICH IS A LIE).

FRANK TELLS US THAT BROUGHT ABOUT 100,000 #800-HOTLINE HITS (WHICH IS A LIE).

BUT YET, RCN CABLE WHICH IS BANKRUPT AND HAS 400,000 SUBSCRIBERS WILL PROVIDE US WITH 3% OF THE POPULATION THAT IS GAY AND 1% OF THAT 3% WILL ORDER QBID LEAVING US WITH A GRAND TOTAL OF....

4,000 SUBSCRIBERS.

SO INSTEAD OF GOING WITH THE 150,000 INQUIRIES THAT COX CABLE PROVIDED US WITH A 12-HOUR UNANNOUNCED BROADCAST THAT DISAPPEARED AS QUICKLY AS IT APPEARED, LET'S MOVE OVER TO RCN WHICH IS BANKRUPT.

posted October 04, 2004 20:47            

quote:

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Originally posted by U4TSAF2:
FRANK DOES A "SOFT" LAUNCH ON COX CABLE. LASTED 12+ OR SO HOURS FOR A SINGLE DAY.

FRANK TELLS US THAT BROUGHT ABOUT 50,000 INQUIRIES (WHICH IS A LIE).

FRANK TELLS US THAT BROUGHT ABOUT 100,000 #800-HOTLINE HITS (WHICH IS A LIE).

BUT YET, RCN CABLE WHICH IS BANKRUPT AND HAS 400,000 SUBSCRIBERS WILL PROVIDE US WITH 3% OF THE POPULATION THAT IS GAY AND 1% OF THAT 3% WILL ORDER QBID LEAVING US WITH A GRAND TOTAL OF....

4,000 SUBSCRIBERS.

SO INSTEAD OF GOING WITH THE 150,000 INQUIRIES THAT COX CABLE PROVIDED US WITH A 12-HOUR UNANNOUNCED BROADCAST THAT DISAPPEARED AS QUICKLY AS IT APPEARED, LET'S MOVE OVER TO RCN WHICH IS BANKRUPT.

GOOD BUSINESS MOVE THERE FRANK <BURP>

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U4 you are without a doubt, my favorite basher. If you lived by me I would invite you over for dinner and you could entertain my kids. Think about it "Uncle U4" ( Don't forget to bring them presents.)

posted October 04, 2004 20:59            

all you really needed to say was what you really feel:

quote:

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Originally posted by U4TSAF2:
FRANK OLSEN WILL BE PROFITABLE

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posted October 04, 2004 21:20            

after talking with frank this afternoon i really didn't get much. Buyback has started...(We all new that) We should see the 2nd carrier announcment this month. No time frame. He repeated what an article had said hope to have 55% come jan.

- - - - -

Who knows? Maybe he's right again.

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

posted October 04, 2004 21:21            

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Originally posted by penny-trader:
Amazing how you can mix numbers up and make them look real.

all you really needed to say was what you really feel:

[This message has been edited by penny-trader (edited October 04, 2004).]

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NEWS Just out LOOK Our Q-Channel has a NEW Show called THE AGENDA $
O.K. GUYS & GIRLS LOOK AT OUR NEW Q-CHANNEL SHOW CALLED THE AGENDA

From The Producers Desk
News And Things:

October 2, 2004

It has become a very exciting time for GLBT entertainment with the launch of The Q Television Network, and eventually some other networks.

GLBT programming and the GLBT market is no longer a novelty item, or something to just wonder about. Major advertisers are sponsoring our events, magazines and soon, our television programs.

As we go forward with THE AGENDA! airing on The Q Television Network we are moving towards our goal of bringing and sharing information not only within the GLBT community, but with people everywhere. No matter what community they belong to.

GLBT sports, and stories about the people who participate will begin to be told. From the quiet life in a country town, to the propaganda machines of those who oppose us, we will follow people and stories that relate to and are about us.

As 2004 progresses and passes into 2005, we will be using many of the stories, segments and show ideas that have been sent to us.

With that in mind we would like to thank each of you who have been sending us ideas and suggestions for THE AGENDA!

If you have an idea for a segment or a show we would love to hear from you!

So don't forget, if you see us about town shooting, come over and say hi! Or if you have an idea for a segment or even an entire show, we would love to hear from you!

posted October 04, 2004 21:45            

By: pennymonger
04 Oct 2004, 09:43 PM EDT
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NY Meeting With Time Warner

My source tells me that the meeting in NY is with Time Warner. Q had a successful meeting with TW in L.A. last week. Next carrier(s) to be announced soon.

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

posted October 04, 2004 22:47            

quote:

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Originally posted by whizknock:
Wouldn't this be sweet!

By: pennymonger
04 Oct 2004, 09:43 PM EDT
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NY Meeting With Time Warner

My source tells me that the meeting in NY is with Time Warner. Q had a successful meeting with TW in L.A. last week. Next carrier(s) to be announced soon.

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

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posted October 05, 2004 00:27            

new rumor???? anyone to confirm this??

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My Name is Tom Sheridan and I am the International Gay Rodeo Association Spokesperson. And, yes Q Television is going to be broadcasting our IGRA Finals Rodeo and 2004 Convention. We are talking about them covering all the Rodeos on Q Television next year.

Tom Sheridan
IGRA PR/Marketing Spokesperson
630 776 4426
"We ride and never worry about the fall... guess that's just the Cowboy in us all"

posted October 05, 2004 00:46            

/ how to lube a guy in 10 days /- this title is killing me!!! LOL!
===== http://www.portlandphoenix.com/television/documents/02958184.asp

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o.k., so we are surrounded by nice and upbeat news and coverage but stock price flatlined! I am very tempted to add into my short term lot!

posted October 05, 2004 00:50            

The lead in was gay TV--I was holding my breath!

It will be shown again tomorrow afternoon/evening in most markets.

posted October 05, 2004 01:00            

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

posted October 05, 2004 01:01            

October 2, 2004

It has become a very exciting time for GLBT entertainment with the launch of The Q Television Network...

GLBT programming and the GLBT market is no longer a novelty item, or something to just wonder about. Major advertisers are sponsoring our events, magazines and soon, our television programs.

As we go forward with THE AGENDA! airing on The Q Television Network we are moving towards our goal of bringing and sharing information not only within the GLBT community, but with people everywhere. No matter what community they belong to.

posted October 05, 2004 02:35            

quote:

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Originally posted by anonymous_lurker:
from another board.
courtesy of Pennymonger.

new rumor???? anyone to confirm this??

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My Name is Tom Sheridan and I am the International Gay Rodeo Association Spokesperson. And, yes Q Television is going to be broadcasting our IGRA Finals Rodeo and 2004 Convention. We are talking about them covering all the Rodeos on Q Television next year.

Tom Sheridan
IGRA PR/Marketing Spokesperson
630 776 4426
"We ride and never worry about the fall... guess that's just the Cowboy in us all"

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posted October 05, 2004 02:37            

IGRA Public Relations/Marketing Seminar Schedule for 2003
PUBLIC RELATIONS SPOKESPERSON: Tom Sheridan: Phone: (615) 497-7511 E-Mail: spokesman@igra.com

at this site: http://www.asgra.org/newsletters/2003/04.htm

I also emailed him and will post any responses I get.

quote:

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Originally posted by Trader O:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by anonymous_lurker:
[b]from another board.
courtesy of Pennymonger.

new rumor???? anyone to confirm this??

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My Name is Tom Sheridan and I am the International Gay Rodeo Association Spokesperson. And, yes Q Television is going to be broadcasting our IGRA Finals Rodeo and 2004 Convention. We are talking about them covering all the Rodeos on Q Television next year.

Tom Sheridan
IGRA PR/Marketing Spokesperson
630 776 4426
"We ride and never worry about the fall... guess that's just the Cowboy in us all"

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posted October 05, 2004 03:07            

I wonder if there's any weight to this little jewel...

By: superqbid
05 Oct 2004, 02:57 AM EDT
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BIG NEWS ! BIG NEWS !!!
By: raychr01
05 Oct 2004, 02:55 AM EDT
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http://www. portlandphoenix. com/television/documents/02958184. asp

Interesting article in the Oct. 5, 2004 Portland Phoenix, especially the following: "...Triangle Television Network (TTN), a sort of lavender-lined MGM, located in the Coachella Valley. In association with Time Warner Cable, TTN plans to produce an ambitious array of original programming aimed at gay and lesbian viewers."

posted October 05, 2004 03:59            

Just can't get past that FIVE HUNDRED BILLION DOLLAR targeted,,,,,,,

What? SIX HUNDRED BILLION?

Ok, Ok. I just can't get around that $600,000,000,000.oo of disposable income of our targeted audience.

Niether can The CEOs of many a Fortune 500 Companies that are drooling over the prospect of developing an intensely loyal consummer base that weilds that kind financial clout! My bet is they've already shot the commercials.

No matter how I do the math one percent of SIX HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS keeps coming up as SIX BILLION DOLLARS. One tenth of one percent is SIX HUNDRED MILLION BUCKS!

One tiny azz tenth of one percent,,,,,,

$600,000,000.oo!

That kind of revenue alone would put this over a buck easy.

That's just one reason that it's so difficult to find a Genuine Broadcasting National TV Network that trades for less than $1 a share. That & the fact that none exsist. That's right,,,NONE!!!!

There are no real TV Networks trading under a dollar a share.

Think about this for a minute.

What does the word NETWORK imply?

Am I the only one that sees where this is headed?

Q TV Channel
Q TV Movie Channel
Q TV Music Channel
Q TV News Channel
Q TV Comedy Channel
Q TV Social History Channel
Q TV Movie Channel II
Q TV Sports Channel
Q TV Movie Channel III R rated

The list goes on,,,

There's only one way I do not see $1 per share. Frank sells the whole thing & they take it private.

For me this is a genuine long term play.

Matter of time.

Nothing more, nothing less.

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

posted October 05, 2004 04:01            

What? SIX HUNDRED BILLION?

Ok, Ok. I just can't get around that $600,000,000,000.oo of disposable income of our targeted audience.

Niether can The CEOs of many a Fortune 500 Companies that are drooling over the prospect of developing an intensely loyal consummer base that weilds that kind financial clout! My bet is they've already shot the commercials.

No matter how I do the math one percent of SIX HUNDRED BILLION DOLLARS keeps coming up as SIX BILLION DOLLARS. One tenth of one percent is SIX HUNDRED MILLION BUCKS!

One tiny azz tenth of one percent,,,,,,

$600,000,000.oo!

That kind of revenue alone would put this over a buck easy.

That's just one reason that it's so difficult to find a Genuine Broadcasting National TV Network that trades for less than $1 a share. That & the fact that none exsist. That's right,,,NONE!!!!

There are no real TV Networks trading under a dollar a share.

Think about this for a minute.

What does the word NETWORK imply?

Am I the only one that sees where this is headed?

Q TV Channel
Q TV Movie Channel
Q TV Music Channel
Q TV News Channel
Q TV Comedy Channel
Q TV Social History Channel
Q TV Movie Channel II
Q TV Sports Channel
Q TV Movie Channel III R rated

The list goes on,,,

There's only one way I do not see $1 per share. Frank sells the whole thing & they take it private.

For me this is a genuine long term play.

Matter of time.

Nothing more, nothing less.

"All we ever had to do is launch!"

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whizknock

posted October 05, 2004 07:56            

Our Marketing Department is currently in negations with that Network and
hope to provide the service soon, more to follow.

-----Original Message-----
From: James Sxxxxxxx [mailto:jamessxxxxxxx@msn.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 4:24 PM
To: Keller, James
Subject: Q Telelvision

Hello,

I was interested in knowing if you are planning to carry Q Telelvision.
I
subscribe to Time Warner, but Q Telelvision is only being carried by
RCN.

Your reply is appreciated.