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"VDC" watch tv on this new site..
For those who have not seen this,
"QTV" is also on here...
Interesting!

http://www.vdc.com/submissions/vdc-submission-pkg.pdf

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He works for a living. You seem to have nothing else to do.

quote:
Originally posted by Dew-it:
Penny Trader has not come on board yet, wait a few hours for the bashing... LOL!

Yea, yea, I know I am asking for it - I couldn't resist Penny. [Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by Brahma:
Would someone please bash me....I feel like a newbee!




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Dew-it, you need to look at your own writing before you critisize others.

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Originally posted by Dew-it:
Did I forget to mention defensive, agressive with a slight hint of paranoia?

Geeze PT, I dont have a problem with anyone challenging my posts or opinons. That is why we post here. But, IMO there is no need to attack anyone because of it. It is not neccessary to label people as clowns, idiots, assses, etc. Anyhow, I am digrssing....and this brings me back to the original post. Yes you are right QTN has only been dropped by on carrier(my bad - I am not perfect and never claimed to be). However, I did not even mention PlanetOUt because technically they are not a carrier, which brings me to your next clarification - That we have not been picked up new carriers (partly correct). IMO, I dont neccessarily coniser VDC a carrier, but that can be left up to interpretation. So those are the only TWO issues or "2 inaccurate statements in a row" that you had with my question on the original post? I assume then that you agreed with everything else? Just want to be clear.

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Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Dew-it

did you think that post was rude? Im sorry it wasn't meant to be.

and what is this comment about acting like an allstocks policeman? you have a problem with authority? I dont know any Allstocks policemen, so i dont know how they act, I will take your word for it though if you know some.

I have been here a long time, and i always understood that everyone was welcome to speak their mind, i didn't realise that i was not on that list of people that are allowed.

I basically just wanted to point out that your statements where exaggerated.

you stated that we had carriers (plural) dropping our signal. unless i have missed the news, I only know of one carrier in Houston that dropped the signal. could you provide me with the list of other carriers that have also dropped the signal?

you also stated in that message that there have been no other carriers pick us up, but only 3 posts or so before you posted that, Bottomline posted a new carrier. now i may be wrong, but that seems to be .

I was only pointing out that if you are going to post information like this, you should make sure that what you post is accurate information if you want the rest of us to take you seriously, but if you are going to CLOWN around, then you will be treated as such.

Was it not you that assumed to be a clown the other day when i told Jenn to ignore the clowns?

you certainly come out with your boxing gloves when i was talking to her. I never called you a clown specifically but man did you get offended.

go get yourself a coffee and relax. You dont like my posts then you can ignore them.

Apparently according to Dustoff there seems to be a few that like my posts. I dont know why, they just do.

I am not a Allstocks police man, and i really dont know if such a thing exists, but that sounds to me like a position of respect, and i want to thank you for you thinking of me in that way.

respectfully yours

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i only clarified that which was wrong, the rest we cant prove right or wrong. i dont necessarily agree with everything in that post, but that is your opinions and you are entitled to them.

as far as calling it an attack i dont believe i have attacked anyone in a long time.

Im just speaking my mind, if i attack you, you will know about it as you may not recover from it.

You where the first to challenge me the other day regarding the clown statement, I was not even addressing you.

and today, i may not have come across as so, but most of that post was meant as a joke. I wanted to correct the 2 statements that where in fact incorrect, and that was the purpose of the post.

unfortunately it is impossible to convey the tone of the comments in type and therefore the intent does not always convey well. so again if i offended you, that was not the intent and i appologise for that.

I have no problem with you posting, and i have never asked you not to. I will always debate anything that i think is wrong and will not back down from what i know is wrong.

Im not a here to police this forum, that is the job of others, i do however not want to allow incorrect info let go in here uncorrected, and i do not want to see this place turn into an IHUB or RB.

i have been to both of them and do not care for the way they act.

Im not going to attach any info that comes in negative, if the info is backed with proof. I was skeptical of the Houston deal because it was posted on April 1st. I never said that it was wrong, just that im not buying into it with out a bit of proof, we got that proof and that is great.

there where posts both supporting the fact that Houston was dropping carriage and there where phone calls into TW that where saying no its not true. I choose to wait too see it for sure before i believe it. if that is a crime then i was guilty.

no harm done Dew-it carry on lets get this behind us.

Rod


quote:
Originally posted by Dew-it:
Did I forget to mention defensive, agressive with a slight hint of paranoia?

Geeze PT, I dont have a problem with anyone challenging my posts or opinons. That is why we post here. But, IMO there is no need to attack anyone because of it. It is not neccessary to label people as clowns, idiots, assses, etc. Anyhow, I am digrssing....and this brings me back to the original post. Yes you are right QTN has only been dropped by on carrier(my bad - I am not perfect and never claimed to be). However, I did not even mention PlanetOUt because technically they are not a carrier, which brings me to your next clarification - That we have not been picked up new carriers (partly correct). IMO, I dont neccessarily coniser VDC a carrier, but that can be left up to interpretation. So those are the only TWO issues or "2 inaccurate statements in a row" that you had with my question on the original post? I assume then that you agreed with everything else? Just want to be clear.

quote:
Originally posted by Penny-Trader:
Dew-it

did you think that post was rude? Im sorry it wasn't meant to be.

and what is this comment about acting like an allstocks policeman? you have a problem with authority? I dont know any Allstocks policemen, so i dont know how they act, I will take your word for it though if you know some.

I have been here a long time, and i always understood that everyone was welcome to speak their mind, i didn't realise that i was not on that list of people that are allowed.

I basically just wanted to point out that your statements where exaggerated.

you stated that we had carriers (plural) dropping our signal. unless i have missed the news, I only know of one carrier in Houston that dropped the signal. could you provide me with the list of other carriers that have also dropped the signal?

you also stated in that message that there have been no other carriers pick us up, but only 3 posts or so before you posted that, Bottomline posted a new carrier. now i may be wrong, but that seems to be .

I was only pointing out that if you are going to post information like this, you should make sure that what you post is accurate information if you want the rest of us to take you seriously, but if you are going to CLOWN around, then you will be treated as such.

Was it not you that assumed to be a clown the other day when i told Jenn to ignore the clowns?

you certainly come out with your boxing gloves when i was talking to her. I never called you a clown specifically but man did you get offended.

go get yourself a coffee and relax. You dont like my posts then you can ignore them.

Apparently according to Dustoff there seems to be a few that like my posts. I dont know why, they just do.

I am not a Allstocks police man, and i really dont know if such a thing exists, but that sounds to me like a position of respect, and i want to thank you for you thinking of me in that way.

respectfully yours

Rodney




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This is a non reporting pink sheet with very high risk. From high risk comes high rewards.
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No one will jump on you for that.

this statement makes sence, if would follow suite with the info from the pr regarding alternative measures, and the speed at which Fan seems to be doing things as well.

I hope the info is true. as if it is, it is another step towards the right direction and another building block in Fan gaining our confidence.

Thanks for the info Hagatha

Rod

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OK, before you JUMP ALL OVER ME, I want to copy this post from RB. This poster seems to be in the know quite a bit. I'M NOT SAYING HE IS CORRECT. But he has been right on alot of the time.

By: stealth2222
10 Apr 2006, 03:56 PM EDT
Msg. 1183103 of 1183132
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Internal investigation might be going on, accountants and lawyers on the premises...



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Hey everyone, you all have been great fun today, and I don't work for the IRS.

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Man this just might go on a run soon, I predict .0001 by summer maybe sooner if we get another carrier.JMO
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Maybe I misunderstood your original comment. I "thought" you said QTN was better than LOGO, and I was hoping that is true. Sorry if I got that wrong.

I believe the success of either network will depend on creative and original programming that both interests and supports the GLBT communities.

Oh, by the way ... I won't probe into your personal life by "guessing" about your job with the government. Just tell Laura and the girls I said HI, and please try to get our troops home by Christmas. And that's all I'm gonna say about that.
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Hope I did that correctly. Anyway, I checked out LOGO on my Direct TV. Their format seems to be any show with a connection to GLBT context, but little original content. Actually, what little I've watched of the programing there was NO original content that I seen. What the channel does have though is advertising you would seen on any channel. Which brings me back to the point, what advertising is on QTV?

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Ok folks. I'm gonna say this again (maybe not on this board)....

Logo is backed by a huge company with lotso money. They are free if you get more than basic cable, so of course, just like MTV or A&E or TNT, you are GOING TO HAVE COMMERCIALS....AD REVENUE IS CRITICAL....

But some of you are forgetting....QTN is a PAID subscription....WHO IS GOING TO SUBSCRIBE TO A NETWORK THAT RUNS COMMERCIALS? Especially if they start relying on AD REVENUE? It doesn't make sense to me. WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP HBO OR SHOTIME OR CINIMAX if they ran commerciales every 8 or 10 minutes like they do on network TV? (time frame is merely a guess).

I sure as HELL WOULD NOT!!!

Q has to find another way to generate revenues or become a free network. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Originally posted by Brahma:
Brahma
Maybe I misunderstood your original comment. I "thought" you said QTN was better than LOGO, and I was hoping that is true. Sorry if I got that wrong.

I believe the success of either network will depend on creative and original programming that both interests and supports the GLBT communities.

Oh, by the way ... I won't probe into your personal life by "guessing" about your job with the government. Just tell Laura and the girls I said HI, and please try to get our troops home by Christmas. And that's all I'm gonna say about that.
quote:

Hope I did that correctly. Anyway, I checked out LOGO on my Direct TV. Their format seems to be any show with a connection to GLBT context, but little original content. Actually, what little I've watched of the programing there was NO original content that I seen. What the channel does have though is advertising you would seen on any channel. Which brings me back to the point, what advertising is on QTV?

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« QBID Message list | Reply to msg. | Post new msg. « Older | Newer »
By: stealth2222
10 Apr 2006, 06:04 PM EDT
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More corporate personnel to be announced shortly.

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But some of you are forgetting....QTN is a PAID subscription....WHO IS GOING TO SUBSCRIBE TO A NETWORK THAT RUNS COMMERCIALS? Especially if they start relying on AD REVENUE? It doesn't make sense to me. WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP HBO OR SHOTIME OR CINIMAX if they ran commerciales every 8 or 10 minutes like they do on network TV? (time frame is merely a guess).

I sure as HELL WOULD NOT!!!

Sirius is the same model...and they have plenty of commercials.

The commercials on Q dont bother me.

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Well you are but one person. Not everyone would agree.

quote:
Originally posted by Ad astra:
But some of you are forgetting....QTN is a PAID subscription....WHO IS GOING TO SUBSCRIBE TO A NETWORK THAT RUNS COMMERCIALS? Especially if they start relying on AD REVENUE? It doesn't make sense to me. WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP HBO OR SHOTIME OR CINIMAX if they ran commerciales every 8 or 10 minutes like they do on network TV? (time frame is merely a guess).

I sure as HELL WOULD NOT!!!

Sirius is the same model...and they have plenty of commercials.

The commercials on Q dont bother me.


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Rod, I'm not gonna get to use the 4-wheeler am I?

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Can i ask you if you have ever paid to go to a movie? or rented a video? I pay for both, and i have to sit through maybe 10 minutes of advertisements. I dont go and complain to the cinema, and i dont boycott the movie because of it. I pay my money and see my movie.

I also pay a monthly subscription to Sirius so that i can listen to Howard Stern. I listen to his channel and the commercials are there.

Im not arguing with you, but that is life. we pay for programming and we still get advertisements jammed down our throat.

I pay for my internet connection, but i still see the sponge bob advertisements on Allstocks.

its not as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.

Advertisements are all over the arena where my favorite hockey team plays and i pay big dollars for that. the program that they sell for the game is not free but it is full of adds.

your newspaper is delivered to your house, you pay a weekly or monthly subscription, it is full of adds.

You buy a car, and it has an add on it. both the maker of the car has its name on it and the dealer that you bought it from has a sticker and maybe even a licence holder with an add on it.

you dont really realise how many adds you get on things you pay a premium for.

Rod


quote:
Originally posted by hagatha:
Ok folks. I'm gonna say this again (maybe not on this board)....

Logo is backed by a huge company with lotso money. They are free if you get more than basic cable, so of course, just like MTV or A&E or TNT, you are GOING TO HAVE COMMERCIALS....AD REVENUE IS CRITICAL....

But some of you are forgetting....QTN is a PAID subscription....WHO IS GOING TO SUBSCRIBE TO A NETWORK THAT RUNS COMMERCIALS? Especially if they start relying on AD REVENUE? It doesn't make sense to me. WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP HBO OR SHOTIME OR CINIMAX if they ran commerciales every 8 or 10 minutes like they do on network TV? (time frame is merely a guess).

I sure as HELL WOULD NOT!!!

Q has to find another way to generate revenues or become a free network. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

quote:
Originally posted by Brahma:
Brahma
Maybe I misunderstood your original comment. I "thought" you said QTN was better than LOGO, and I was hoping that is true. Sorry if I got that wrong.

I believe the success of either network will depend on creative and original programming that both interests and supports the GLBT communities.

Oh, by the way ... I won't probe into your personal life by "guessing" about your job with the government. Just tell Laura and the girls I said HI, and please try to get our troops home by Christmas. And that's all I'm gonna say about that.
quote:

Hope I did that correctly. Anyway, I checked out LOGO on my Direct TV. Their format seems to be any show with a connection to GLBT context, but little original content. Actually, what little I've watched of the programing there was NO original content that I seen. What the channel does have though is advertising you would seen on any channel. Which brings me back to the point, what advertising is on QTV?



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This is a non reporting pink sheet with very high risk. From high risk comes high rewards.
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LOL not unless the swat team shows up lol

but i may let you try it out. [Big Grin]

Rod

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Rod, I'm not gonna get to use the 4-wheeler am I?



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As is the situation with SelecTV, VDC is not gonna be much help to QTN either - at least not for the time being. VDC is also a start-up company (only 8 people) and they are ONLY projecting 100,000 subs by the end of year - and of course it is only offered over internet. Lets go on the limb and say 10% sign up because of Q – well you can do the math…I suspect the QTN/VDC agreement is based on Frankie the Fraud’s profit sharing model. Unfortunately, IMO not much revenue will come to QTN from this agreement either. Link to the article below.

http://www.cedmagazine.com/toc-xod/2006/20060411.html

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i dont know about that Dew-it.

it is a way that if you only want Q you can get it.

they are available to anyone with a high speed connection and they are saying that is 50 million homes in the US.

I looked into getting it here, but they are not authorised to sell to anyone outside the US right now.

unfortunately for me they can tell from my IP address that im not in the US.

in time im sure they will open that up, as they say they will.

you have to assume that there are many out there that would like to receive the channel but are outside the carriage areas.

for instance, i live out in the country and would subscribe just to help out with the numbers if nothing more. I however do not have cable and only satellite or high speed internet are available to me. now seeing how we are not on satellite right now, that leaves me only one option. that is the VCD.

we dont really know the full effect this will have as we really have no hard data of people interested in Q but can not receive it yet.

Im not saying it is a god send by any means, but subscriptions are subscriptions, and now thier is one more way that over 50 million homes have access to this channel. Ill take every avenue that we receive that will carry this signal.


Rod

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quote:
Originally posted by Ad astra:
But some of you are forgetting....QTN is a PAID subscription....WHO IS GOING TO SUBSCRIBE TO A NETWORK THAT RUNS COMMERCIALS? Especially if they start relying on AD REVENUE? It doesn't make sense to me. WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP HBO OR SHOTIME OR CINIMAX if they ran commerciales every 8 or 10 minutes like they do on network TV? (time frame is merely a guess).

I sure as HELL WOULD NOT!!!

Sirius is the same model...and they have plenty of commercials.

The commercials on Q dont bother me.

All the Sirius music channels are commercial-free. They only have commercials on their talk channels. I felt a need to clarify that because having commercial-free music is the only reason I subscribe to Sirius (and own lots of the stock). Howard Stern has a lot less commercials than he did on terrestrial radio too. The channels/shows that have the most commercials are the ones that are also broadcast on TV or terrestrial radio.

BTW, there are not that many commercials on QTN. I have seen a few commercials, but they mostly have public service announcements.

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On Q Live was definitely a new production tonight; they announced the date as Monday, April 10, 2006 at the beginning of the show.

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by Ad astra:
But some of you are forgetting....QTN is a PAID subscription....WHO IS GOING TO SUBSCRIBE TO A NETWORK THAT RUNS COMMERCIALS? Especially if they start relying on AD REVENUE? It doesn't make sense to me. WOULD YOU CONTINUE TO KEEP HBO OR SHOTIME OR CINIMAX if they ran commerciales every 8 or 10 minutes like they do on network TV? (time frame is merely a guess).

I sure as HELL WOULD NOT!!!

Sirius is the same model...and they have plenty of commercials.

The commercials on Q dont bother me.

All the Sirius music channels are commercial-free. They only have commercials on their talk channels. I felt a need to clarify that because having commercial-free music is the only reason I subscribe to Sirius (and own lots of the stock). Howard Stern has a lot less commercials than he did on terrestrial radio too. The channels/shows that have the most commercials are the ones that are also broadcast on TV or terrestrial radio.

BTW, there are not that many commercials on QTN. I have seen a few commercials, but they mostly have public service announcements.

I was going to make the same point. Sirius does have commercials...but not many...and not for very long. The Q is the same way.

And hagatha--Sirius must be doing something right...they will (hopefully since im a shareholder) overtake XM in users by the end of this year. [Smile]

But overall, The Q aint Sirius...so I agree they need to tinker with the format. We also need to bring back Jackie boy and Sanda. Need more good original programming.

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whoever might be interested...

charlie gasparino on cnbc about 'naked shorting' investigation....

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big deal.....he'll "be following it"...(hedge funds squeeze, regulation 'gray area', patrick byrne overstock ceo, etc)....

well * here's * something else for your perusal.......


April 10, 2006
here! Networks Available in 50 Million Households

America's First Gay Television Network Hits New Carriage High In Just Over 2 Years

NCTA National Show, Atlanta, GA (here! booth # 3137) – April 9, 2006 — here! Networks announced today it has reached the 50 million digital household milestone maintaining its status as one of the fastest growing independent programming networks to emerge on the cable landscape. here! officially launched in 2002 as America's first gay and lesbian television network. Since April 2005, here! has added more than 10 million new households.

http://www.heretv.com/ANewsArticlePage.php?newsKey=69

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for those of you that have subscribed to this 'vdc', pay attention to the credits at the beginning and end of these shows.


InFoqus...credits at end say Franklyn Broadcasting....


...now i ask you....do you still think frank is 'gone' ?

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Yes, I believe Frank is gone.
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Like I have stated before, IMO, SelecTV and VDC are not going to help Q out based on their projected subs and outreach. We need Dish and DirecTV and Comcast...

However, the Verizon Fios deal if we are still around will have a major positive impact on Q. Verizon Fios is expected to surpass or equal cable and satellite, within coming years. The downfall to the Verizon Fios service right now is that is fairly new technology and it will cost subsribers an additional $34+. That will be in addition to your primary satellite or cable provider fee. For example, I already pay $112 per month on Dish. Adding Verizon Fios would cost me $34 plus – If Q was offered on Dish it would only an additional $7.95. I guess eventually, one might be able to do away with Cable and satellite completely and sub to Verizion Fios – but for now we are still a ways off for that

Link below if want to know where Fios is availability – it us updated as new areas are added.

http://www.fioslive.com/

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I think Verizon is a fabulous deal for us both in the short term and long.

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I agree. Verizon has been one Q's best carrier agreements to date. Let's hope that Lloyd can ensure and sustain contractual agreements and more importantly the quality programming needed to ensure customer loyality and satisfaction.


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I think Verizon is a fabulous deal for us both in the short term and long.


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I don't know what the Verizon sub base is noiw, but by the end of the year it is projected to be 6m.

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You mentioned 6M... I was unable to find their projected subs - but I am still looking - will find them evetually


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I don't know what the Verizon sub base is noiw, but by the end of the year it is projected to be 6m.


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The question and response I got from Verizon about the TV portion of FiOS.

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5. What would be the “best guess” as to the build out completion time and homes served? Expect to pass 6M homes by end of 2006 and 18M by 2010.

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I believe that would indicate that those shows are reruns. According to posters on IHUB, during the "hiatus" and since, the intro to the show would be live (announcing the current date), the show itself would be a rerun, then the end of the show would be live. Franklyn Broadcasting (owned by our beloved Frankie) was the producer of shows at the time. (And who wants to bet THOSE bills were paid by Q on time).

From what I have heard, the current LIVE shows are no longer produced by Franklyn Broadcasting. I could be wrong. If anyone sees a LIVE show (not just the intro) with credits to Franklyn Broadcasting, then we might have a problem.

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for those of you that have subscribed to this 'vdc', pay attention to the credits at the beginning and end of these shows.


InFoqus...credits at end say Franklyn Broadcasting....


...now i ask you....do you still think frank is 'gone' ?


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The problem with the info identified by Verizon below is that it only ONLY identifies projected Fios deployment and availability. It does not state specifically the projected Fios TV customer subscriptions.

FiOS Deployment

Verizon FiOS is currently available in 16 different states and is continuously expanding. Verizon plans to deploy their fiber optic internet service to over 4 million homes in various states by mid-2006 and nearly 20 million homes by the end of 2010. Even though this is a rough estimated timeframe it will take Verizon to fully deploy this fiber optic internet service, they are adamant on the success of this tedious mission. Verizon hopes to expand the FiOS internet service to all 28 states where verizon currently provides landline telephone services.

The 16 states which the FiOS internet service now occupies are California, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Indiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Texas, Virginia and Washington. Many more states may have FiOS internet services available as time progresses.

http://www.fioslive.com/fios-availability.html

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I believe that would indicate that those shows are reruns. According to posters on IHUB, during the "hiatus" and since, the intro to the show would be live (announcing the current date), the show itself would be a rerun, then the end of the show would be live. Franklyn Broadcasting (owned by our beloved Frankie) was the producer of shows at the time. (And who wants to bet THOSE bills were paid by Q on time).

From what I have heard, the current LIVE shows are no longer produced by Franklyn Broadcasting. I could be wrong. If anyone sees a LIVE show (not just the intro) with credits to Franklyn Broadcasting, then we might have a problem.

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Originally posted by King Crimson:
for those of you that have subscribed to this 'vdc', pay attention to the credits at the beginning and end of these shows.


InFoqus...credits at end say Franklyn Broadcasting....


...now i ask you....do you still think frank is 'gone' ?


Yeppers, they are reruns...but if i get some time to watch tonight, I will keep an eye on it.
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Fat ******* won't be gone till he's in a homekeeper in a cell somewhere.
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