posted December 11, 2003 03:50            

-80%R Oversold
Money Flow and OBV after .029 were nice.

You can tell this is being manipulated by the MMs-
(300 sale went through Tuesday, bringing price down to accumulate shares)

We tried pushing up at the open, MM drops it

We settle down and trade in a range- with a few noble attempts to move up

But the MM doesnt have enough shares, so he drops it again.

Breaking below 3 is mental point, and obviously oversold and the market engulfs the remaining asks before the close, where the MM drops one last one for the day.

Thursday should be down to flat- with a chance of reversal late in the day IMO

posted December 11, 2003 10:38            

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Originally posted by sunnyinna:
Hey..it is up but it is down from its high of .049...and i got in at .047..thanks to all the hype...hopefuuly it will have its run... it never had the run when the press release was issued 12/09.....(went down on the press release) and so many on the board felt it would have a run ...so shows me the best can be wrong ..

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posted December 11, 2003 10:54            

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Originally posted by sunnyinna:
Bet,
Thanks for the encouraging words. I am bummed that it did not have the run 0n 1209 as I felt it would. I am hoping it will have its run soon...because I hate to lose money...as we all do...today it looks like it is trading sideways......I am stunned that it went down on the press release..Is there something we did not know? Is it that all factors contributed such as dilution, press releae not on all news alerts.....and rumor pused it up so news had no impact....Hey, I realize it is not over and it may have its run soon...i appreciate the input and ultimately it was my decision ..

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posted December 11, 2003 11:08            

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Originally posted by kt325ci:
I was watching the last sales and saw an MM signal 400 to trade sideways today. I'm sure most of us figured today would be flat anyway.

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posted December 11, 2003 11:15            

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
Where do you see that signal of 400 at

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posted December 11, 2003 11:18            

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Originally posted by kt325ci:
I have Ameritrade Apex and have access to their streamer console. I was using the Last Sale applet. It shows you transactions as they occur and a 400 appeared around 10:50.

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posted December 11, 2003 11:21            

GL

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Originally posted by kt325ci:
I was watching the last sales and saw an MM signal 400 to trade sideways today. I'm sure most of us figured today would be flat anyway.

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posted December 11, 2003 11:21            

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
Is that the one where you have... Time, Price, and Shares... and the 400 appears under the shares

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posted December 11, 2003 11:26            

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Originally posted by kt325ci:
Yep..that's the one.

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posted December 11, 2003 12:25            

We currently are experiencing the test of 20EMA..Additionally,bearish MACD cross-over resulted in some sell-off..I hope this level will hold, if not, we have to wait until it finds the support level..

posted December 11, 2003 13:23            

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Originally posted by cabbage22:
If you look at the money flow and OBV for the past few days, you'll see a lot of people are buying in at these levels, the low volume shows we're starting to stablize

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Just popping in for a few minutes during a break from a day of appointments. Looks like its trading sideways. I hope support holds. While I was on level 2, I saw the ask dip to .028 briefly and then within a minute it was back at .031. I think there are some buyers waiting when it drops under .03. The MM's don't appear too willing to sell there at this point. Bid now strengthening at .027 (now 4 MM's and a minute ago it was only 1).

This is definitely not where we expected to be following the news on Tuesday! But, we also were taken by surprise with the S-8 filing. I think the drop is a combination of the S-8 and regular profit taking.

posted December 11, 2003 14:27            

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Originally posted by PSU90:

Just popping in for a few minutes during a break from a day of appointments. Looks like its trading sideways. I hope support holds. While I was on level 2, I saw the ask dip to .028 briefly and then within a minute it was back at .031. I think there are some buyers waiting when it drops under .03. The MM's don't appear too willing to sell there at this point. Bid now strengthening at .027 (now 4 MM's and a minute ago it was only 1).

This is definitely not where we expected to be following the news on Tuesday! But, we also were taken by surprise with the S-8 filing. I think the drop is a combination of the S-8 and regular profit taking.

Still holding strong. Would prefer to see the bid/ask staying above .03 though! I believe those who are patient will be rewarded!

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posted December 11, 2003 14:49            

GL

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Originally posted by raven76:
They are accumulating now..The signal for me
will be that Schwab raises the bid(.029-.03), and Wien the ask to .04..(not that they are strong players in the game)They are following the leaders (bamm & nite)and sometimes helping them..

GL

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posted December 11, 2003 14:54            

Also, they are hoping the internet site will be ready by christmas, but are planning a release some where around the first of the year. The guy is supposed to get back to me with the # of subscribers VeeGeez has, as well as, the actual amount of games the company owns. It seems like the company has a lot on its plate, and is going to need some time to get it all worked out.

We should start getting some serious good PR around the end of the year. ie...the name change becomes official....new website being up (that one should really help).....Plus the guy also told me that the release of the 100,000,000 shares doesn't dilute the value because its for private purposes, like paying an advertising company....I said, "your telling this to a guy that bought a second round of stock at .049" I am looking forward to the following year with this stock, I just hope we can make a few bucks in the short term as well. I am treading water with this baby. Missing a lot of good opportunities. Do I dare to send ANOTHER wire transfer to Ameritrade. My wife would kill me. But I keep telling her, its not a loss unless I sell. Gosh I hope we finish in the green today, it would be a great morale booster. This goes double for Friday......it would drive me crazy to go the weekend in the red for the day.

posted December 11, 2003 14:57            

Keep refreshing...

posted December 11, 2003 15:04            

GL

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
I spoke to the investor relations department for PGHI, they informed me of some promising things. Some thimgs in the works include an advertising campaign. Also, they are hoping the internet site will be ready by christmas. But are planning a release some where around the first of the year. They guy is supposed to get back to me with the # of subscribers VeeGeez has, as well as the actual amount of games the company owns. It seems like the company has a lot on its plate, and is going to need some time to get it all worked out. We should start getting some serious good PR around the end of the year. ie...the name change becomes official....new website being up (that one should really help).....Plus the guy also told me that the release of the 100,000,000 shres doesn't dilute the value because its for private purposes, like paying an advertising company....I said, "your telling this to a guy that bought a second round of stock at .049" I am looking forward to the following year with this stock, I justy hope we can make a few bucks in the short term as well. I am tredding water with this baby. Missing a lot of good oppertunities. Do I dare to send ANOTHER wire transfer to Ameritrade. My wife would kill me. But I keep telling her, its not a loss unless I sell. Gosh I hope we finish in the green today, it would be a great morale booster. This goes double for Friday......it would drive me crazy to go the weekend in the red for the day.

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posted December 11, 2003 15:18            

GL

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
I just want to know what kind of revenue were talking about.
$19.99 a month is nice if you have thousands of subscribers but not to good if you 50....I guess I will have to wait to see what the email says. Maybe he won't tell me, but I would like some kind of idea. Can he really keep that secret from shareholders

[This message has been edited by BetNitAll (edited December 11, 2003).]

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posted December 11, 2003 16:09            

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Originally posted by raven76:
Wien moved the ask to .039
Now, it's schwab's turn to raise it's bid..
The last hour should be fun..
Let's see..

GL

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posted December 11, 2003 16:23            

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Originally posted by machtabow2:
I picked some up at .028. When I see the .02's... it's like I've been given a second chance... mach

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posted December 11, 2003 16:30            

I'm glad we finished even for the day. I have to agree with Mach that there can't be many sellers left at this point unless the MM's are able to scare us. The 10 day hourly chart looks like the trend is turning. Too early to confirm.

I know what you mean about those transfers to Ameritrade!

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
I spoke to the investor relations department for PGHI, they informed me of some promising things. Some things in the works include an advertising campaign.

Also, they are hoping the internet site will be ready by christmas, but are planning a release some where around the first of the year. The guy is supposed to get back to me with the # of subscribers VeeGeez has, as well as, the actual amount of games the company owns. It seems like the company has a lot on its plate, and is going to need some time to get it all worked out.

We should start getting some serious good PR around the end of the year. ie...the name change becomes official....new website being up (that one should really help).....Plus the guy also told me that the release of the 100,000,000 shares doesn't dilute the value because its for private purposes, like paying an advertising company....I said, "your telling this to a guy that bought a second round of stock at .049" I am looking forward to the following year with this stock, I just hope we can make a few bucks in the short term as well. I am treading water with this baby. Missing a lot of good opportunities. Do I dare to send ANOTHER wire transfer to Ameritrade. My wife would kill me. But I keep telling her, its not a loss unless I sell. Gosh I hope we finish in the green today, it would be a great morale booster. This goes double for Friday......it would drive me crazy to go the weekend in the red for the day.

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posted December 11, 2003 16:36            

nap time

posted December 11, 2003 17:03            

Hmmmm, Lennon in the user name....you're from the UK......a Beatles fan perhaps? Cool!

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Originally posted by jenlennon:
hi i'm jen and i'm new to this stock. i was just told about this message room from someone at the raging bull. i have read almost every page here and this is a much better message room for my pghi stock. i hope i meet nice people here. they're not very helpful at that other place. jen

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posted December 11, 2003 17:09            

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Originally posted by PSU90:
Welcome Jen.....we have a great group here! Don't talk about us too loud on RB....we try to keep it civil here!

Hmmmm, Lennon in the user name....you're from the UK......a Beatles fan perhaps? Cool!

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posted December 11, 2003 17:18            

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Originally posted by BetNitAll:
I just want to know what kind of revenue were talking about.
$19.99 a month is nice if you have thousands of subscribers but not to good if you 50....I guess I will have to wait to see what the email says. Maybe he won't tell me, but I would like some kind of idea. Can he really keep that secret from shareholders

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posted December 11, 2003 17:36            

From: qrious12000 Sent: 12/11/2003 3:45 PM
I got this message through RB. I have watched that board since the beginning of November and never posted. Some of the posts seem childish and non-productive. However, I do have some answers to this post:

By: sullykev
11 Dec 2003, 03:18 PM EST
Msg. 17695 of 17708
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Anyone talk with or receive an email from Mr. Fleming lately ?

Any update as to when we will hear something ref: -\

When will we formally become GamezNFlix -- Will PGHI trade under a new symbol ? when ?
When should we expect the new website to be up and operational
Is there an update as to how much the subscription base for Veegeez.com has increased ?
When are earnings due to be released for Veegeez

Just trying to change the subject back to PGHI

Sully

I received several emails today. He answered a few questions I had for him.

They will be moving on Monday to the new KY location. Their systems in SD shuts down tonight. The address has changed on the PGHI website to show the new loc.

The answering machine now states GamezNFlix in lieu of PGHI.

Website is in beta testing right now. I would assume the name change will happen once the website is up and running.

The subscription information is confidential and cannot be disclosed - illegal.

Auditors are currently reviewing the filings.

posted December 11, 2003 18:39            

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Originally posted by ws_bbl:
Hi all, just did the same as Jen did. Can't stand it anymore there. Used to be good, but now...... What a relief to see all posts concerning pghi.:> ) ws.

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posted December 11, 2003 19:51            

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Originally posted by tommy:
Here are the steps leading to the name change:

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posted December 11, 2003 20:25            

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Originally posted by zo:
For those who are worried about the 100,000,000 shares out...Well don't forget or do some DD and you'll find out that in September, PGHI releases 150,000,000 shares and the stock increased over 500% to the trading level of 2 cents...Now tell me your worried...I'm a hold till it hits 20 and i get my first couple of millions...:-)...zo...

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posted December 11, 2003 20:37            

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Originally posted by ws_bbl:
BetNitAll, They had 500 subscribers two or three months ago and are growing 30% a month. Picked that up at RB. With the new site it could (should) grow faster. No link to confirm though and JF will not tell you or anyone about subscribers #.
ws.

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posted December 11, 2003 20:50            

By: kerouact
11 Dec 2003, 08:32 PM EST Msg. 17891 of 17895
(Msg. is a reply to by None.)
I saw this on "another" board, don't think it was posted here yet...this should calm may people's fears

comes by way of John saying it can be posted, via the "VeeGeez" poster:

The S-8 is registration IT DOES NOTHING TO THE OUTSTANDING TOTAL.

It simply provides management with a way to pay for services at market price value vs. spending cash.

i.e. Attorney wants $10,000 for services At $.03 we could give him 333,333 S-8 Shares or a combination of cash and stock.

NONE OF THE S-8 SHARES HAVE BEEN SPENT ONLY RESERVED FOR USE

YOU CAN POST THIS E_MAIL

John Fleming

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Originally posted by drwright68:
veegeez had approximately 400 customers at the end of december, 2002 with 25-35% monthly growth since...please do the math...lol...with the new marketing, new website and new ppm money, we will grow exponentially from here.

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