quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Even if what Rufus is saying makes sense, nothing of value will come out of any of this for shareholders IMO. You think the SEC is going to settle and say okay Rufus you are right, we will let it trade now at $2 and your assetts are legit! HAHAA
Why not?? Why would you punish a man & company who did nothing wrong? Why punish a company that had criminals fabricating shares & selling them, it's not the company that was doing it...
O jen...
when the 180 hits? Hope you're wearing a neck-brace.
You seem to be a nice, sweet young lady. Was this your "first-play" in trading?
...and Tex....I hope your wearing a diaper cause pretty soon your going to chit yourself!!!
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Even if what Rufus is saying makes sense, nothing of value will come out of any of this for shareholders IMO. You think the SEC is going to settle and say okay Rufus you are right, we will let it trade now at $2 and your assetts are legit! HAHAA
Why not?? Why would you punish a man & company who did nothing wrong? Why punish a company that had criminals fabricating shares & selling them, it's not the company that was doing it...
O jen...
when the 180 hits? Hope you're wearing a neck-brace.
You seem to be a nice, sweet young lady. Was this your "first-play" in trading?
No, before this, I was doing Big Boards....would I stick with Pennies? NO WAY!!!
Tex, why are you so into this stock? Just curious....Rufus even has your attention...I find that funny....
lol...that doesn't surprise me...
lottsa shady traders been busted here. One i busted many times (over 40 attempts at PnDs) is now in big trouble... not only SEC but also criminal charges--last I knew he was in Rikers.
Of course, Rufus has "my attention." lol...not well worded, but I understand...
Jen? Lottssa scams try to run though Allstocks--going all the way back to "Tokyo Joe"
Think this is the first one, just cuz it's new to you?
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Tex I hear what you are saying but if CSHD is a pump and dump I would suggest firing the current folks at the helm of this debaccle....the PPS speaks volumes.
I think we are beyond the current analogy of this as being a pump and dump and have not moved into truely understanding WHAT the purpose of this play was/is.
Not that most are excited being along for the ride but a lot of stones are being turned and exposing a lot of interesting creatures beneath.
Even if its proven the scam you mention above it will provide a severe education in the stock market as a whole.
I think you are in the same boat as everyone as NOT knowing what the play is. We have a lot going on with the courts and until that piece of the puzzle revealed everyone is merely speculating.
I am not saying that we are golden- nor am I saying we are fuq'd. I am saying however that YOU nor I know what is going on and until the judge rules we can sit and speculate.
Calling a closet PnD is probably a bit premature. If it was I would think that Alana Black and Bill Hicks would have already prevailed.
Thats my 2 cents- it may be worth .009 but thats it
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I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
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Instead of Simon says...we will play Rufus says....Rufus says...:
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Look at the DTC corporation as a bank!
A Bank holds the Cash Money for you to make electronic transactions with, Credit Cards, Debit Cards and Checks. You spend the money it comes out of your account, Right
Well with the DTC a HCC is deposited in stead of Cash for you to do electronic transaction with, Same process!!
Even most banks sweep your account at night for trading in oversee markets!! Same thing as Pooled shares with the DTC, they loan the shares to Brokers and MM for shorting.That is where the Market Manulipation comes into play; the process is only available to institutions and VIP traders!!
You as the little man can not short a stock like they can; it is a protection process for them that have developed into a RICO organization!!
Every major falling stock if the records of the DTC were pulled, I am willing to bet that million were made off of it!!
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Instead of Simon says...we will play Rufus says....Rufus says...:
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Look at the DTC corporation as a bank!
A Bank holds the Cash Money for you to make electronic transactions with, Credit Cards, Debit Cards and Checks. You spend the money it comes out of your account, Right
Well with the DTC a HCC is deposited in stead of Cash for you to do electronic transaction with, Same process!!
Even most banks sweep your account at night for trading in oversee markets!! Same thing as Pooled shares with the DTC, they loan the shares to Brokers and MM for shorting.That is where the Market Manulipation comes into play; the process is only available to institutions and VIP traders!!
You as the little man can not short a stock like they can; it is a protection process for them that have developed into a RICO organization!!
Every major falling stock if the records of the DTC were pulled, I am willing to bet that million were made off of it!!
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....because PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....becuase PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
Look at the volume when the stock was trading in the dollar and up range, rufus kept promoting as his friends were selling, and thats how he could continue to get the most out of his promotion. JMO
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Well we will see Tex....
By the way what wasn't worded well??? Here we go condesending again.....
Do you feel smart Tex??? Are you smarter than a 5th grader??? LOL...
bingo boingo...
Jen, you posted:
quote:Rufus even has your attention
Even allowing your tortured syntax, the message seems to be that even Rufus has noticed me and my posts.
Given that you attempted to have him --or some agent -- come to the board several nights ago in an attempt to debate or chat or whatever... I *think* I'm safe to assume that Rufus has at least thought about engaging me in debate or chit-chat or some sort of dialog...
????
yes? no?
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....becuase PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
Look at the volume when the stock was trading in the dollar and up range, rufus kept promoting as his friends were selling, and thats how he could continue to get the most out of his promotion. JMO
What friends were selling??? Where did you get that info? Maybe you should send that info to Alana Black....she may need your help...
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Well we will see Tex....
By the way what wasn't worded well??? Here we go condesending again.....
Do you feel smart Tex??? Are you smarter than a 5th grader??? LOL...
bingo boingo...
Jen, you posted:
quote:Rufus even has your attention
Even allowing your tortured syntax, the message seems to be that even Rufus has noticed me and my posts.
Given that you attempted to have him --or some agent -- come to the board several nights ago in an attempt to debate or chat or whatever... I *think* I'm safe to assume that Rufus has at least thought about engaging me in debate or chit-chat or some sort of dialog...
????
yes? no?
Yes, he was going to come over but don't flatter yourself Tex...He has NO CLUE who you are....
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My "tortured syntax"? WOW....doesn't look so tortured to me....WOW!!
those are big words for a little blonde nurse like me....
I wish I had big words like that when I went to medical school....instead I had to use words like Isles of Langerhans & hydrochlorthiazide, & I had to learn what is better for a wound hydrogel impregnated gauze or Aquacel with silver....Darn it...
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, apparently has no clue how to register, either...
SO...what did that goofy phrase mean?
"Rufus even has your attention"
It's so simple it's stupid so I'll help you....
It means that Rufus has you coming to this thread here (where you are right now) discussing him & his stock & checking this thread...see that means you are paying attention....see Rufus has your attention....You DO NOT have his attention, he IS NOT calling SubpennyRadio talking about Tex from Allstocks....however, you have called SPR talking about Rufus & CSHD right? That's what having attention means....Did that help?
If your asking why I used the word "even" because you have proclaimed that you know which of these pennies are scams...you think this one is one so why bother checking in here every night?? I know you are a moderator but you can check up without commenting, right? You know why you do it?...maybe because this stock is addicting....for everyone....Yes, some may "drink" the Kool-Aid as you say but what is it that you are drinking?
I'm tired so I'm warning you, I'm not very pleasant...
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....becuase PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
Look at the volume when the stock was trading in the dollar and up range, rufus kept promoting as his friends were selling, and thats how he could continue to get the most out of his promotion. JMO
What friends were selling??? Where did you get that info? Maybe you should send that info to Alana Black....she may need your help...
Look all im saying is Rufus benefited from this big time and the only thing making sense right now is he did it through his buddies.
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Even Rufus doesn't debate the fact that this was a pump and dump. The only thing he states is that he and CSHD was not a party to the pump and dump.
I'm with Tex on this one, look at AJW and any other Toxic financer and you will see who was dumping. Not Rocket science, IMO.
Personally, I think Rufus bit off more than he can chew. He may have thought he had it all figured out and cover every scenario but he didn't.
As far as the talk of SEC not following through and possibly in settlement negotiations? The was no need for the SEC to do anything after they filed with the courts. The ball was in Rufus and CSHD's court and they fumbled it. A default was entered, in essence a win for the SEC. Until a ruling by the court states differently they have no need to proof anything. At least that is my understanding of the proceedings. I made a challenge on the HSM board because of the talk that the SEc negotiating meant a financial windfall to share holders. I will make the same challenge here.
I would like anyone to show me documented evidence that the SEC has ever come back after suspending a company from trading and stated that they made a mistake or that they have ever paid one penny in restitution to a stock that was suspended. I haven't found one. What I have seen is that the SEC will negotiate settlements with companies and majority shareholders in order to put an end to the action. These settlements from what I have gathered are usually a fine, disgorgement and/or bannings of the individuals involved from taking positions in a publicly traded company either for life or for a set term.
History tells me that this case is no different but of course can be changed. Just as Charts aren't always right. Yet until history is proven wrong I will go with history.
I hope Rufus can change history, I'm just not about to hold my breath.
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....becuase PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
Look at the volume when the stock was trading in the dollar and up range, rufus kept promoting as his friends were selling, and thats how he could continue to get the most out of his promotion. JMO
What friends were selling??? Where did you get that info? Maybe you should send that info to Alana Black....she may need your help...
Look all im saying is Rufus benefited from this big time and the only thing making sense right now is he did it through his buddies.
St22, you like to stick to facts right? How did he benefit? Please, prove it to me so I can put this to rest....
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Wally, I agree with the P&D, you are sorrect...he said that....but he also said it wasn't him...and also said that the SEC has been searching but couldn't find anything....
I think he would have been in jail by now...but that's only my opinion...
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, apparently has no clue how to register, either...
SO...what did that goofy phrase mean?
"Rufus even has your attention"
It's so simple it's stupid so I'll help you....
It means that Rufus has you coming to this thread here (where you are right now) discussing him & his stock & checking this thread...see that means you are paying attention....see Rufus has your attention....You DO NOT have his attention, he IS NOT calling SubpennyRadio talking about Tex from Allstocks....however, you have called SPR talking about Rufus & CSHD right? That's what having attention means....Did that help?
If your asking why I used the word "even" because you have proclaimed that you know which of these pennies are scams...you think this one is one so why bother checking in here every night?? I know you are a moderator but you can check up without commenting, right? You know why you do it?...maybe because this stock is addicting....for everyone....Yes, some may "drink" the Kool-Aid as you say but what is it that you are drinking?
I'm tired so I'm warning you, I'm not very pleasant...
silly,
anybody that pays attention knows I'm a mod...Mr. Harris has his role in this thang... I have mine: namely, to ask the best questions I can think of, and post the best answers I can muster.
Ask around, Jen...
Find anybody on the board who thinks I misled 'em?
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: This is boring me....
Very bored with the same conversations that I've been a witness to over the past 6 months....
I will go back to just posting info....
...and Don't badger me, 'cause I won't take anyone's chit...especially from a man...
Jenna,
I think you need to distinquish between posts that question Rufus or other facets and those directed at you.
My post was a general response and not aimed at you. As I stated, I think the Dump was by the Toxic financers and Mike or his wife, maybe through the pressure from those Toxic financers. Since AJW has an offshore arm of their business it maybe be harder if not impossible for the SEC to pin it down. If we ever find out who did perpetrate the Dump, we may be surprised. Rufus did do the pump there is no denying that. I mean buy the crap out of it, the $15 Threshold price reset and the additional bonds that kept comming in all figured in the frenzy that helped the PPS rise to $4.
Heck I wouldn't be surprised to eventually find out that Canaday and Salki(Humanitarian Foundation) made tons of money trading CSHD. Heck the bonds they promised helped it rise and the "LEAKED" Cease and Desist to Timothy Miles and Boyd of the NY Post was very instrumental in the crash of the PPS. They could easily have made a fortune in buying prior to agreeing to give the bonds over and then selling and shorting after leaking the info.
That's just a possibility but I think a logical one.
If I were you, I would quit wasting my time posting posts from Rufus' site on this message board. There are too many ignorant and blind people here who refuse to be optomistic about this stock. Basically, there are two types of people in this stock - Ones who think this is all BS and is over, and ones like you, I, and a few others that BELIEVE and this will work out in our favor. With that said, just stay on Rufus' board and keep the info we receive there to ourselves. There is no need to constantly defend what you bring over here. Let there future curiosity of what is going on/being said kill them.
CLOSE THE KOOL-AID STAND HERE JENNA!!!!!!!!!
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that's right - "ego games just gonna cost people money". and some of us are doing stocks to try and make money!! time has a way of seperating the wheat from the chafe(sic) and the bottom line is "did we make money on this?" i believe that there is still a cluster of good traders on this board and that we should avoid "getting swept up in the drama" and deviating from the trading practices that have made some of us pretty good money. when we post stuff on another board like:
"Any of you Allstockers out there? I need some back up on there....I'm bringing Mr. Harris' info over there & the loyal shareholders over there like it but then I get a few every night who try to fight with me.....
Tex is at it again, putting down RPH, there is a little buddy of his there too....
I'm doing real well fighting them off but it's just getting to the point where I'm sooo done with these fools...."
it tends to make some of us stop and think about the merits of participating in these board discussions. i guess this makes me a "fool" too as i have always appreciated what Tex, Wallymac, Frank, Repo and other have brought to this board. imho some of this is just over the top. cshd has taught me a lot about the market and how it works and those of us who have read 1000's of pages of posts on it have sure got a good education from it.
p.s. sorry about the rant!!
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Jenna,
If I were you, I would quit wasting my time posting posts from Rufus' site on this message board. There are too many ignorant and blind people here who refuse to be optomistic about this stock. Basically, there are two types of people in this stock - Ones who think this is all BS and is over, and ones like you, I, and a few others that BELIEVE and this will work out in our favor. With that said, just stay on Rufus' board and keep the info we receive there to ourselves. There is no need to constantly defend what you bring over here. Let there future curiosity of what is going on/being said kill them.
CLOSE THE KOOL-AID STAND HERE JENNA!!!!!!!!!
Jenna and stock- no one is saying that they don't appreciate what Jenna is doing here, and I can respect your optimism- but in turn, I think you should also be able to engage in some constructive (and critical) dialogue without taking any of it personally. After all, optimism tempered without reason is foolhardy. (e.g. I am optimistic the Red Sox win the AL East, but if Schilling goes on the disabled list, all bets are off.)
There wouldn't be any need for this wild speculation about Rufus' objectives and what happens next with the SEC if he would just be more transparent, more clear in his language and less concerned about being 'cute'(i.e. keep on subject about the company and stop talking about the damn horses- that just strikes me as unprofessional)
Wally and Tex make some valid points, about the P&D nature of this play- and regardless whether you believe that Rufus was an active participant in its instrumentation, his reckless behavior have certainly helped people reap some rewards- people besides the exhalted Longs.
Sadly, any 'settlement' with the SEC IMO will result in major concessions from the Company, perhaps the ousting of Rufus, and a company that trades on the grays indefintely. Sorry, but there's very little precedence for anything muchbetter than that.
For those of you choose to 'believe', good luck- I wish the very best
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I too agree that this is a PnD to some point. I do see AJW as being the main dumpers, but Mike's wife also dumped shares...that's a fact that's on a SEC filing.
The thing that gets me is the SEC's head attorney's sitting in court discussing the PnD scenario trying to figure out the dump. They even talked about Mike's wife dumping shares. She had already done it, but they couldn't figure it out. Maybe because the filing wasn't done? I would think they would be pretty ticked that some of the dumping they were looking for, and expected from her, had been done but not filed. Why didn't they get her and Mike for illegal trading when the filing was finally made?
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Tex, its pretty apparent that you feel this is a scam. I understand you're trying to keep us safe and maybe that's your job as a mod. I don't think you can definitely say one way or another what the outcome of this will be. I do agree that it seems far-fetched that this will work out, but some of us feel that it will. Do you believe that NSS is an issue in the markets? Do you think there is a way to stop it?
I think the main problem with this stock is the conspiracy situation it is in. I think lots of people don't want to believe that the gov. can be so corrupt. I agree that it is hard to believe that RPH is the type of man to take on this corruption, but then again, a simple, straightforward person would be the best bet for that. I feel that he's someone you can trust because he seems to stand up for what he feels is right. I don't see him as someone that can be bought off.
The other part of the story is that this stock is in a situation where RPH could easily take advantage of everyone's fear of NSS as well as the unknown of what's going on. He could easily just say that the NSS have too much money to beat and that they’ve bought off everyone. He could also take advantage of the great bunch of people who are his supporters. I guess you could call it gullible, or maybe we just have faith. He could easily just quit posting and move off and there would be enough people saying he was killed to shut him up or something like that. He could also use his family's safety as an out. I don't think any of his supporters would disagree that his family should come first. He has some great people as his supporters.
There’s no doubt some people got in over their heads. I hope it works out for them for the best. I have a modest amount invested here, so I’ll be fine either way. Unfortunately I invested a bit more (not crazy amounts) in QBID and took it hook, line, and sinker. I was new to this stuff and dreamed big. In that case, the company was diluting the crap out of the stock and some pointed that out, but most (like me) didn't listen. I’d say that lesson kept me from over investing in CSHD. I can’t see how CSHD has diluted the stock. It would be interesting to know what the authorized share count is. There’s no doubt in my mind that AJW has flooded the market with shares, but were those shares authorized and if so, by who?
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