Thought you might need a new thread.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Where's my 6:1? Where are the bonds? Where's our Proxy? Where's the Lawyer? Where's our CEO? Hell... Who's our CEO? Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Where's my 6:1? Where are the bonds? Where's our Proxy? Where's the Lawyer? Where's our CEO? Hell... Who's our CEO?
Yea, I was going to make the title: CSHD.....WTF! or CSHD....where's my money BIOTCH! LOL
Posted by 10of13 on :
CSHD...WTF! Would have summed it up perfectly!
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: CSHD...WTF! Would have summed it up perfectly!
So many fitting titles to choose from:
CSHD...why ya gotta do me like that? CSHD...I don't know how to hate you! CSHD...I hope you burn in HELL! LOL
Posted by thesource on :
LMMFAO .........
Posted by wallymac on :
It could have been CSHD! Who's on First?
I mean it has turned into a comedy.
Wally
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: CSHD...WTF! Would have summed it up perfectly!
Thats got my vote !!!
Posted by dollar13 on :
WHILE WE WAITING.
Posted by cassity on :
Well, I keep getting told it was a lesson learned! HA...that little lesson, cost more than all of my college X3. I didn't want a lesson, I wanted $12 a share and a 6:1 share divy....IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK!! I just can't believe I got cond by a REDNECK!!
Posted by cassity on :
Oh and Btw: you know how you go through emotional stages when a dramatic event happens in your life....well I'm to the ANGRY stage...First was denial, then I went to foolish disbelief and now I'm at ANGRY! It's a healing process! I have a feeling FORGIVENESS will take awhile!
Posted by Jenna on :
10- by the way I have not sold.....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I haven't sold either Jenna. Although alot of the time I regret not selling
Posted by Jenna on :
HAPPY BIRTHDAY FRANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by frank021474 on :
I have been lurking for months....and today for my birthday I wanted to post MUUHAHAHAHAA!
I am 33 years young today
Ps. Jenna saying happy bday doesn't get you off the hook from buying me a present. AND yes...I do take CSHD shares in the form of gift.
Posted by Jenna on :
Oh good then a dollar can get you a lot of shares....
Posted by frank021474 on :
LOL! **Oh wait that wasn't funny Posted by 10of13 on :
Hahaha...Funny Jenna...
Happy BDay Frank!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I still have my shares AND I just bought 5,000 more at .10. I'm hoping to flip them at .14 in a day or 2.
What do you mean how could I.
Might as well do something while I'm waiting and holding my breath with my thumb up my %*#.
Posted by trade04 on :
"getting some volume, something is up" rotflmao
Posted by St. Matthew on :
LOL...that's me every night nowadays Dollar...where did you get my picture?
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: WHILE WE WAITING.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Happy B-Day Frank! I remember 33...it brings a tear to my eye...
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: I have been lurking for months....and today for my birthday I wanted to post MUUHAHAHAHAA!
I am 33 years young today
Ps. Jenna saying happy bday doesn't get you off the hook from buying me a present. AND yes...I do take CSHD shares in the form of gift.
Posted by thesource on :
You whats bad ??? When you call the SEC in Atlanta and get Alana Blacks voice mail . The first thing out of her mouth is if you are calling in reguards to Conversion Solutions ........
Posted by Chart walker on :
Happy B-day Frank!!
Chart ~
Posted by driver4t4 on :
I still have all my shares plus the ones I bought on the grey market and to top it off I am ordering my certs.
Posted by dollar13 on :
LOL...that's me every night nowadays Dollar...where did you get my picture?
WHEN YOU WERE WITH RUFUS IN THE RESTAURANT "LA FINCA" TX.
LMAO
JUST KIDDING...MAN.. Posted by Jenna on :
Check out the latest post from Rufus...not sure what it means......I only can show you the link because it has a picture in it & it won't show up....
[URL=http://www.cvsu. ******** 100.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1171399561&page=90#1171515 251]http
Posted by Igor R on :
Here you go...
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks IGOR!!!!!!!!!! Now what does that mean???..... It's Lehman Brothers....
Maturity date of 3/07?????
Posted by Rhyz on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Oh good then a dollar can get you a lot of shares....
ROFL.....so wrong Jenna! Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
Here you go...
Outside of this being a Lehman Bro's Bond. What does it mean to us is there any indication that we own any part of it?
Posted by humble on :
Bottom line here is that 450m euros were made available at 6 1/8%, underwritten by Lehman Brothers. The coupons were sold in 1000 euro increments making a total of 450,000 coupons, presumably owned in large blocks by institutional investors or otherwise deep pockets. All 450,000 coupons that have been freely trading since 2000 are due to mature on 3/23/07. On that date the entire 450m euro principal and approx 27m euro in interest will be paid to the holders of the coupons at that time.
None of this means much unless CSHD somehow owns a large number of coupons or will somehow benefit from the liquid funds coming available. Should that be the case, on 3/23/07 CSHD's bank account could potentially look very different. I guess we'll know more as that date approaches.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by BlackWidow on :
Hi Humble,
I'm not remotely a bond expert, so this is more of a question.
Don't the coups represent the interest payable to the bond owner, with the full bond maturity of 450m euros being full paid to the owner of record at maturity?
quote:Originally posted by humble: Bottom line here is that 450m euros were made available at 6 1/8%, underwritten by Lehman Brothers. The coupons were sold in 1000 euro increments making a total of 450,000 coupons, presumably owned in large blocks by institutional investors or otherwise deep pockets. All 450,000 coupons that have been freely trading since 2000 are due to mature on 3/23/07. On that date the entire 450m euro principal and approx 27m euro in interest will be paid to the holders of the coupons at that time.
None of this means much unless CSHD somehow owns a large number of coupons or will somehow benefit from the liquid funds coming available. Should that be the case, on 3/23/07 CSHD's bank account could potentially look very different. I guess we'll know more as that date approaches.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
More questions...
I see this is dated 7/9/2006 on the bottom. ?
Could this be one of the false bonds that was posted on one of the bulleting boards?
Wasn't 450,000,000.00 the second bond? The 1/2 billion dollar bond amount that started floating around last year?
more speculation
Posted by 6digits on :
Hey 10 I think I can live with this tread. I'd like to know the same things.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Where's my 6:1? Where are the bonds? Where's our Proxy? Where's the Lawyer? Where's our CEO? Hell... Who's our CEO?
Posted by humble on :
Bond coupons are sold to raise money. The bond holder (coupon owner) lends the issuer money with the understanding that they will be paid back a fixed amount of interest plus principal after a certain amount of time (maturity date). Coupons are sold through an underwriter, in this case Lehman Brothers. Bonds are rated based on the probability that the issuer will, in fact, be able to pay back the principal and interest. This bond is very highly rated.
Think about a bond like a mortgage where many people share the rights to the principal and interest that you as a homeowner pay out through the years.
...In My humble Opinion
quote:Originally posted by BlackWidow: Hi Humble,
I'm not remotely a bond expert, so this is more of a question.
Don't the coups represent the interest payable to the bond owner, with the full bond maturity of 450m euros being full paid to the owner of record at maturity?
quote:Originally posted by humble: Bottom line here is that 450m euros were made available at 6 1/8%, underwritten by Lehman Brothers. The coupons were sold in 1000 euro increments making a total of 450,000 coupons, presumably owned in large blocks by institutional investors or otherwise deep pockets. All 450,000 coupons that have been freely trading since 2000 are due to mature on 3/23/07. On that date the entire 450m euro principal and approx 27m euro in interest will be paid to the holders of the coupons at that time.
None of this means much unless CSHD somehow owns a large number of coupons or will somehow benefit from the liquid funds coming available. Should that be the case, on 3/23/07 CSHD's bank account could potentially look very different. I guess we'll know more as that date approaches.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hey remember stock - lemon?
Now they are trying to take down CVDT.
Posted by 6digits on :
Jenna your mailbox is full darling.
Posted by BlackWidow on :
Thanks, Humble. So really this is so incredibly wonderful. Oh wait, we just don't know if this is "our" bond!
Posted by 6digits on :
Jenna what goes where the asterisks are in the link??
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Check out the latest post from Rufus...not sure what it means......I only can show you the link because it has a picture in it & it won't show up....
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: More questions...
I see this is dated 7/9/2006 on the bottom. ?
Could this be one of the false bonds that was posted on one of the bulleting boards?
Wasn't 450,000,000.00 the second bond? The 1/2 billion dollar bond amount that started floating around last year?
more speculation
I don't know about the false bonds you mention but this one is real. In fact, I had a holdings search ran against the issue and found out a little more about the owners of this bond. From the search I found that the largest publicly reported holder accounted for about 1.7% of the total issue. All of the top institutional investors listed account for less than 6% of the total issue. This means that 94% of the owners of this bond are either companies not obligated to report their holdings or private investors/groups/trusts.
Again, this means little to CSHD investors except to illustrate that a huge portion of the ownership of this bond is undisclosed. Does CSHD have claim to some of the issue? I don't know but it is hard to definitively prove that they don't. Just ask the SEC.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by 6digits on :
Jenna, I appreciate your effort to inform me of this website, but I can't figure out how to make it work. What should I put where the asterisks are. Do you like country and western music? If so check out NPYC. They are reverse merging into a shell and they're credits look impressive. Just a thought.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: Jenna, I appreciate your effort to inform me of this website, but I can't figure out how to make it work. What should I put where the asterisks are. Do you like country and western music? If so check out NPYC. They are reverse merging into a shell and they're credits look impressive. Just a thought.
http://www.cvsu. pro boards 100.com/
Take out the spaces.
Posted by Doniboy on :
Hello folks. Whats the news with CSHD? Do we have a new CEO? Are we going to the moon? Did Jesus himself come down and claim to have a bond for us?
Let me know, I've been out of commission for a while.
Posted by 66inxs on :
has anyone checked out the latest edgar filings on furia to see mike alexanders sales of cshd stock when they were telling others to hold? this may or may not be worth looking at. latest edgar filing 2/7/07. my apologies in advance if this was discussed on previous posts.
Posted by 66inxs on :
Well no volume on this bad boy today ........ did it stop trading ?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: Jenna your mailbox is full darling.
I'm soooooooooo sorry!!! My kids are sick AGAIN!!! & they rarely get sick so it must be a bad year for all with flu's & such......I will clear out my mailbox now....thanks!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: Jenna, I appreciate your effort to inform me of this website, but I can't figure out how to make it work. What should I put where the asterisks are. Do you like country and western music? If so check out NPYC. They are reverse merging into a shell and they're credits look impressive. Just a thought.
OOOHHH Thanks.....I likey reverse mergers....
Posted by Jenna on :
Just a warning:
Brazil, appartently hes the one that runs Rufus' site, does not like Allstock people at all. He thinks we are part of a conspiracy and that Allstocks has skeletons in its closet.
Posted by thesource on :
Everyone has skeletons in their closet ........ I'm sure they have their own agenda as well . And I doubt its in anyones best interest but their own .
Posted by Jenna on :
I have been attacked there, St. Matt has been attacked there because he knows we are from here.....the people who posted at HSM & but also here aren't even sticking up for this site....I'm shocked.....Taxback did stick up for this site breifly but he was busy being virtually the only one doing dd there.... oohh & theprez also stuck up for us...he got Brazil pretty good.....
I probably will not visit there again....I am surprised that Rufus would want his website ran like that because even people who are his biggest fans are not comfortable with his site....
So becareful, & for all our sakes if you see anyone talk down this website & the posters on here show some loyalty!!!
THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST WEBSITE THERE IS....& I AM GLAD TO BE A PART OF IT WITH ALL OF YOU!!!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Everyone has skeletons in their closet ........ I'm sure they have their own agenda as well . And I doubt its in anyones best interest but their own .
I don't keep skeletons in the closet. They've been of of the closet for years and they're not even gay.
Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Source, how are things going?
Posted by Jenna on :
Wally lol!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I have been attacked there, St. Matt has been attacked there because he knows we are from here.....the people who posted at HSM & also here aren't even sticking up for this site....I'm shocked.....Taxback did stick up for this site breifly but he was busy being virtually the only doing dd there....
I probably will not visit there again....I am surprised that Rufus would want his website ran like that because even people who are his biggest fans are not comfortable with his site....
So becareful, & for all our sakes if you see anyone talk down this website & the posters on here show some loyalty!!!
THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST WEBSITE THERE IS....& I AM GLAD TO BE A PART OF IT WITH ALL OF YOU!!!!!
I didn't see any need to defend Allstocks. It just shows how liitle some people know. It's easy, I stopped posting. It's their sandbox, let them play the way they want to.
None of it matters anyway. The only thing that matters is what either Rufus or John do. Until I see a filing on Pacer, no one has done anything worthy of talking about much less PRing.
Settle the default!!!!!!!!!!! Brazil can go to Brazil for all I care.
Wally
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Source, how are things going?
Just trying to flip some cash in ETIM today but its not running up to my mark .........
Posted by Jenna on :
By the way, I also don't like it over there because there is noone over there like Wally & humble....aren't we fortunate? Thanks guys you are truely one of a kind!!! & not to mention my girl 10 wasn't there either....not the same....I love you guys....ok enough of my being mushy....see you all later....
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: By the way, I also don't like it over there because there is noone over there like Wally & humble....aren't we fortunate? Thanks guys you are truely one of a kind!!! & not to mention my girl 10 wasn't there either....not the same....I love you guys....ok enough of my being mushy....see you all later....
Posted by Jenna on :
Source, PLSO has become a great flipper....I'm waiting for .008 then jumping in again...
Posted by Jenna on :
Wall, once again, LMAO!!! (Brazil to Brazil) that's funny....you are correct it's to the point now , put up or shut up.....who's going to lead this ship to shore?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Wall, once again, LMAO!!! (Brazil to Brazil) that's funny....you are correct it's to the point now , put up or shut up.....who's going to lead this ship to shore?
Well, the only thing I can say at this point is that I know what I don't know.
Wally Posted by Jenna on :
Wally, stop, anybody got a diaper?....'cause I'm gonna pee my pants.....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just a warning:
Brazil, appartently hes the one that runs Rufus' site, does not like Allstock people at all. He thinks we are part of a conspiracy and that Allstocks has skeletons in its closet.
Brazil turned out to be a total idiot IMO. He really seemed to have it all together at one point but has now lost it. I emailed Rufus earlier in the week and explained how disgusted i am with that board and the shareholder vs shareholder mentality it has generated. Was the email a waste of my time? Probably...but as i told him in email i wont sign up for the board so emailing him was my only option.
IMO that board is just another scar on the face of CSHD
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Source, PLSO has become a great flipper....I'm waiting for .008 then jumping in again...
Are you making any money on it ? I got out on some of my ETIM I bought last week for a 125% profit . About damn time I made something back .
Posted by TexasMoney on :
I made 13.04% today on this wicked little gem called CSHD. The CEO guarantees it will $15 so I recommend “you buy the crap out if”.
Jenna – I got your private message earlier in the week, but just too busy to respond. Thanks for coming to my defense! No worries!
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Source, PLSO has become a great flipper....I'm waiting for .008 then jumping in again...
Are you making any money on it ? I got out on some of my ETIM I bought last week for a 125% profit . About damn time I made something back .
Posted by TexasMoney on :
I thought about visiting Rufus’ message forum for the first time tonight. I have been told that you need to be completely sh*t-faced loaded on LSD to understand what the delusional “followers” are talking about. Is there porn involved? I heard something about people causally passing “Karma Sutra” to each other. So, all I need is a rubber and LSD to visit the site? Wow! It will be like reliving my college days.
Posted by thesource on :
There's no porn on his site ........ if there was , it would be the only thing worth visiting the site for .
Posted by St. Matthew on :
TM,
Yep...it's like Jonestown over there. I hop over every now and then to see if Rufus is providing anything worth reading.
Brazil attacked you, Portman and Jenna (and Allstocks) the other day. Jenna and I defended you guys so he has been relentless in trying to slander me. He completely lied about a PM that I sent him and then he took it public by posting that I sent him 4 PM's....so I let him have it publically on the thread. My posts that ripped him have since been deleted, yet his rude and arrogant posts still remain on the thread.
That's fair and balanced...isn't it?!?!
[ February 16, 2007, 16:29: Message edited by: St. Matthew ]
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Ain't that the truth brother...
quote:Originally posted by thesource: There's no porn on his site ........ if there was , it would be the only thing worth visiting the site for .
Posted by Jenna on :
Source, yes made money on PLSO, bought at .01 sold at .02....waiting to jump back in....
TM- anytime for you...anytime....
Posted by St. Matthew on :
I think we know who authored the Terms of Service for Rufus' kool-aide site. Check this out...
"You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law. This is not only humorous, but legal actions can be taken against you. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or you have consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also inappropriate to this forum."
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Source, yes made money on PLSO, bought at .01 sold at .02....waiting to jump back in....
TM- anytime for you...anytime....
Not bad ........ I am looking to get back in under .007 . Too bad I bought some a few weeks ago for .02 . Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Ain't that the truth brother...
quote:Originally posted by thesource: There's no porn on his site ........ if there was , it would be the only thing worth visiting the site for .
I am watching one and only one thing over there - the appearance and frequent disappearance of some of Rufus' posts. I am concerned that Rufus is posting things he knows he shouldn't for just long enough to get noticed and then pulling the post. First there were emails and then a Bloomberg screenshot. If any good could be planned from Rufus, we do NOT need it impeded by litigation brought on by prideful postings.
Additionally, it is useful to keep an eye on Rufus' posts as insight into what he is thinking. Many of them are very subtle (some would say booze-induced but I don't think so... not entirely).
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by thesource on :
Unless Rufus is announcing that he is ****ting solid gold turds and has pictures to prove it , I won't believe anything out of his lying azz .
Posted by Jenna on :
Just for all's info, Taxback discovered that when the site gets over so many pages it automatically deletes it's own pages......
I thought most over there knew that because Tax kept posting that....but I think some over there like to believe it's the shorts, or MA, or Tut doing the deleting, not all of them trying to spin that just a few....
Posted by Jenna on :
By the way Matt,
According to the terms of service, if someone posted your PM's to them, isn't that invasion of a person's privacy????? after all that was a PM = PRIVATE MESSAGE......
By the way, he wasn't posting one from me to you was he??? LOL Posted by St. Matthew on :
Amazing...I'm sure Brazil starts the rumor and they all say...it must be true if it came from you.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just for all's info, Taxback discovered that when the site gets over so many pages it automatically deletes it's own pages......
I thought most over there knew that because Tax kept posting that....but I think some over there like to believe it's the shorts, or MA, or Tut doing the deleting, not all of them trying to spin that just a few....
Posted by Jenna on :
LOL
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: By the way Matt,
According to the terms of service, if someone posted your PM's to them, isn't that invasion of a person's privacy????? after all that was a PM = PRIVATE MESSAGE......
By the way, he wasn't posting one from me to you was he??? LOL
Jenna,
If you read the Terms of Service, Brazil breaks them with almost every single post. Check this out…
“You agree, through your use of this forum, that you will not post any material which is false, defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise in violation of ANY law. This is not only humorous, but legal actions can be taken against you. You also agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or you have consent from the owner of the copyrighted material. Spam, flooding, advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are also inappropriate to this forum”.
He is defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, and hateful to everyone who disagrees with him. He says it's a big conspiracy and we all are part of a ring of shorts and / or "mafia" types who are just trying to divert everyone’s attention away from his DD…which in his world means…away from the truth. Once he smells blood, he starts harassing you by responding to every post you make while distorting it to the point of making you look bad. He will say things like…my respect for you is 2 out of 100. Somebody apologized to him for something and he said “Apology accepted…my respect for you has gone up to 10 of 100”. He is quite delusional in my opinion. What’s frustrating is that you know damn well his “sheeple” don’t go back to see if he is right about what he claims.
As far as the PM, he outright lied and posted that I sent him 4 PM's (like I was either crazy or desperate) and that he downloaded them in case legal action was required. The PM was just an olive branch type PM which was not negative in any way. I actually felt bad for the way we all jumped on him the day before. I felt like I might have crossed the line and possibly embarrassed him when I pointed out the fact that he did not even know how to spell St. Matthew (on both HSM and the Rufus site) when he quotes this very apostle's scripture in his own signature. I have corrected him on two separate occasions. Or perhaps I was too mean when I asked him to correct or delete his immature statement that Portman's wife was a “mail-order-bride”. Or...I thought he might be mad at me for telling him that his DD, while very good, is not always 100% accurate and that he does not always deserve a cigar because he might lead people down the wrong road.
What he was trying to do was mess with my credibility as far as the other people are concerned. He wanted them to think he was superior and I was just an angry conspirator making things up and grasping for straws. He said…and I quote… “I’m done with you”…like he is my boss or my teacher.
You would not believe how many PM’s that I got from people who asked me to please just ignore him and to play nice with him. They would say things like “I don’t always agree with him and / or like the way he treats others, but you definitely don’t want to cross his path”. Little did he know that he messed with the wrong badger…and he went down the wrong road by insulting me, my friends and my home board. I told him that he would not last 10 minutes on this thread….do you think he would last that long?
Posted by Jenna on :
Matt, It's true he would never come here because he would be destroyed.....
You sure did kick him right back in the nads....
I think you should keep posting the terms over & over on every page....that would be sooo funny....
I will not be going back there...that place is tooo weird....I can't imagine that Rufus likes where it is going....
Also, as a nurse for many years, (and I am not being sarcasrtic & I am being serious)...I can tell you that just by the way he talks there MAY be something wrong.....like a personality disorder, a head injury, or a chemical imbalance.....sort of like a head injury though...they tend to snap & think everyone is out to get them (not all head injuries but most)...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: has anyone checked out the latest edgar filings on furia to see mike alexanders sales of cshd stock when they were telling others to hold? this may or may not be worth looking at. latest edgar filing 2/7/07. my apologies in advance if this was discussed on previous posts.
He sure banked...2 mill shares sold at $2.60
what a scam artist.
Posted by Jenna on :
Good Night All.........
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I have been attacked there, St. Matt has been attacked there because he knows we are from here.....the people who posted at HSM & but also here aren't even sticking up for this site....I'm shocked.....Taxback did stick up for this site breifly but he was busy being virtually the only one doing dd there.... oohh & theprez also stuck up for us...he got Brazil pretty good.....
I probably will not visit there again....I am surprised that Rufus would want his website ran like that because even people who are his biggest fans are not comfortable with his site....
So becareful, & for all our sakes if you see anyone talk down this website & the posters on here show some loyalty!!!
THIS IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST WEBSITE THERE IS....& I AM GLAD TO BE A PART OF IT WITH ALL OF YOU!!!!!
It seems as though I may have offeded someone at the other site.....I think I made my post sound as if Taxback is the only one that does dd over there.....THAT IS NOT WHAT I MEANT.....I meant, at the time when this was going on Tax was dding something....there was OT conversations going on....but Tax, AT THE TIME, was the only one doing dd that was from Allstocks but he even came in to defend A.S......we all know how Tax is...he is a go - getter....doing dd sometimes when there is none to be done.....there are a lot of people over on Rufus' site that do dd, so if I have offended anyone I am sorry....I was not clear enough....
Good Night....
Posted by milliam on :
I'm catching up on the last SPR show (I'm always running behind these days ).
Did anyone find anything about a CEO having to be a US citizen? Someone called in and told Simon you have to be a US citizen to run a US company, but I he didn't give any info to back it up. I've tried searching the SEC site as well as Delaware's corporation site about this, but I haven't found a definite law either way. Delaware's site says you can operate a LLC if your a non citizen, but that's as much as I've found.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Matt, It's true he would never come here because he would be destroyed.....
You sure did kick him right back in the nads....
I think you should keep posting the terms over & over on every page....that would be sooo funny....
I will not be going back there...that place is tooo weird....I can't imagine that Rufus likes where it is going....
Also, as a nurse for many years, (and I am not being sarcasrtic & I am being serious)...I can tell you that just by the way he talks there MAY be something wrong.....like a personality disorder, a head injury, or a chemical imbalance.....sort of like a head injury though...they tend to snap & think everyone is out to get them (not all head injuries but most)...
Are you seriously "diagnosing" Brazil with a closed head injury? LOL
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Doesn't surprise me one bit Milliam....however, Rufus sounded awfully confident of this issue. On second thought...it did seem to come up as an afterthought during the interview. It's possible even HE did not know.
How have you been? You sound busy.
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm catching up on the last SPR show (I'm always running behind these days ).
Did anyone find anything about a CEO having to be a US citizen? Someone called in and told Simon you have to be a US citizen to run a US company, but I he didn't give any info to back it up. I've tried searching the SEC site as well as Delaware's corporation site about this, but I haven't found a definite law either way. Delaware's site says you can operate a LLC if your a non citizen, but that's as much as I've found.
Posted by milliam on :
Yeah, building some race cars here at work...quite the cluster if you know what I mean.
There was another thing on the SPR show that peaked my interest. Rufus mentioned that he took back over Equine Solutions because CSHD didn't keep their funding contract with him (or something like that). Quite ironic!
Posted by milliam on :
Ok, one more thing then I'm going home to my wife...its our anniversary and I'm at work .
If Mike is now claiming that the merger will be canceled, what happens to the Wattle and CVSU shares that were added to FHAL's shares? How can Mike give the O/S of 159,000,000? I'm assuming this included the Wattle/CVSU shares. Just wondering.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Yeah, building some race cars here at work...quite the cluster if you know what I mean.
There was another thing on the SPR show that peaked my interest. Rufus mentioned that he took back over Equine Solutions because CSHD didn't keep their funding contract with him (or something like that). Quite ironic!
Not to change the subject but what kind of race cars do you build ?
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Yeah, building some race cars here at work...quite the cluster if you know what I mean.
There was another thing on the SPR show that peaked my interest. Rufus mentioned that he took back over Equine Solutions because CSHD didn't keep their funding contract with him (or something like that). Quite ironic!
Not to change the subject but what kind of race cars do you build ?
Yea, and can I come work for you? I live in the ATL area lol.
Posted by milliam on :
Igor, I wouldn't invite anyone to come work with us....it sounds fun, but usually it isn't much. Contact me through PM if you'd like to come see our place...its up in Braselton. Its kind of cool, but nothing all that great. That invite goes for anyone of yall that's in the area or travels to Atlanta (we're about an hour from the airport).
Source, I'm working on building our GT2 Esperante race car. I've built the beginnings of every chassis from the start, but now we're building the whole car here. Its a cool car and we actually won our class in the 24 hours of Lemans this year...it was the first time anyone had beaten the Porches in this category in a long, long time. Our cars use lots of Ford components, so I'm sure you'd recognize most of the stuff we use. We just got in 3 of the Shelby engines for our new car.
Sorry for the OT....at least I wasn't clammering for Karma .
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO...Karma? Everyone here at allstocks has more karma than that other place will ever have to give!
Wish these people would have the final curtain call on this damn opera!
Enjoy the rest of your weekend peeps!
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: OT: I work for Panoz Auto ( www.panozauto.com ).
Igor, I wouldn't invite anyone to come work with us....it sounds fun, but usually it isn't much. Contact me through PM if you'd like to come see our place...its up in Braselton. Its kind of cool, but nothing all that great. That invite goes for anyone of yall that's in the area or travels to Atlanta (we're about an hour from the airport).
Source, I'm working on building our GT2 Esperante race car. I've built the beginnings of every chassis from the start, but now we're building the whole car here. Its a cool car and we actually won our class in the 24 hours of Lemans this year...it was the first time anyone had beaten the Porches in this category in a long, long time. Our cars use lots of Ford components, so I'm sure you'd recognize most of the stuff we use. We just got in 3 of the Shelby engines for our new car.
Sorry for the OT....at least I wasn't clammering for Karma .
Dude, that sounds freaking SWEET!! lol
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Was an indication by MA made somewhere recently that the merger is going to cancel? While trying to stay updated, now I wonder if I did miss something that was posted????? Could you please id the source where this information came from. TY and GLTA
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Ok, one more thing then I'm going home to my wife...its our anniversary and I'm at work .
If Mike is now claiming that the merger will be canceled, what happens to the Wattle and CVSU shares that were added to FHAL's shares? How can Mike give the O/S of 159,000,000? I'm assuming this included the Wattle/CVSU shares. Just wondering.
Posted by GreenDay on :
I went to read Rufus' board, the pro100 one. Yesterday I could get on and read it. Today it is telling me I need to register and login in to read it. Anyone else getting that? Not sure if I want to do that or not. ? .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: OT: I work for Panoz Auto ( www.panozauto.com ).
Igor, I wouldn't invite anyone to come work with us....it sounds fun, but usually it isn't much. Contact me through PM if you'd like to come see our place...its up in Braselton. Its kind of cool, but nothing all that great. That invite goes for anyone of yall that's in the area or travels to Atlanta (we're about an hour from the airport).
Source, I'm working on building our GT2 Esperante race car. I've built the beginnings of every chassis from the start, but now we're building the whole car here. Its a cool car and we actually won our class in the 24 hours of Lemans this year...it was the first time anyone had beaten the Porches in this category in a long, long time. Our cars use lots of Ford components, so I'm sure you'd recognize most of the stuff we use. We just got in 3 of the Shelby engines for our new car.
Sorry for the OT....at least I wasn't clammering for Karma .
Cool , I figured being in the south eastern U.S. it would have been circle track related .
What Shelby engine are you using ? The 5.4 3V like in the Gt500 and Ford Gt ?
Posted by milliam on :
Greenday...I'm getting the same thing on Rufie's board. I'm not sure if signing up is worth it, but I guess it can't hurt too much. They must really want some IP's.
Posted by milliam on :
Bucky, I'm not real sure if there's concrete evidence that MA said that exaclty, but I think he did allude to it on a post on HSM. I've heard other talk about it as well, including Rufus...of course that doesn't make it true. I'll search on HSM and see if I can find the post (if there was one).
Posted by milliam on :
So far, this is the only post from Bodi (MA over on HSM) that talks about killing the merger. This post is in answer to someone asking MA what the steps are for the future.
Jan 16th, 2007 Bodi 1. Kill the merger and all the illegally sold preferred shares by Rufus and company.
2. Get the go ahead from the SEC to resume trading on the OTCBB...
3. Get the go ahead to bring new real assets to the company...
4. Bring real assets into the company and allow the business model to work...
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Milliam, Thank you. I'll try to take some time and search to.
Posted by milliam on :
Here's another one where he talks about the merger:
Jan 16th, 2007 Bodi
The authorities will address the 1st issue...
We are pretty sure we can reverse the merger based upon fraud is fraud is found...
And I have a strong opinion we can bring assets to the company via Ecowood...
Posted by milliam on :
And another:
Jan 16th, 2007 Bodi
Here is what I would like to see happen...
I would like to see Rufus and the other officers either in jail or exonerated by the appropriate authorities...
I would like to see the Waatle merger reversed...
I would like to bring new assets and JV's brought into the company...
Posted by bilgert on :
Here is what I would like to see happen...
I would like to see RPH, MA and Arlitt man up.
I would like to see less chitter chatter on discussion boards, SPR and meaningless PRs and more positive action and legitimate communication.
I would like less speculation and accusations from former CEOs, alledged CEOS and present CEO(s) and more fact based discussions.
I would like less discussions about naked shorts and the Berlin market and more discussions about present (if any) and future assets
I would like lawyers present at all times, so this wild-west gun slinging garbage can stop.
I would like another cup of coffee so I can stop babbling.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Matt, It's true he would never come here because he would be destroyed.....
You sure did kick him right back in the nads....
I think you should keep posting the terms over & over on every page....that would be sooo funny....
I will not be going back there...that place is tooo weird....I can't imagine that Rufus likes where it is going....
Also, as a nurse for many years, (and I am not being sarcasrtic & I am being serious)...I can tell you that just by the way he talks there MAY be something wrong.....like a personality disorder, a head injury, or a chemical imbalance.....sort of like a head injury though...they tend to snap & think everyone is out to get them (not all head injuries but most)...
Are you seriously "diagnosing" Brazil with a closed head injury? LOL
Aren't I funny? Posted by Jenna on :
Bilgert, I love your bablings sounds like a good plan!!!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Yeah, but looks aren't everything
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Aren't I funny?
Posted by Jenna on :
Have you guys checked out the home page on the cvsu website?
I don't remember it looking like that....unless they just removed the stock chart that was there.....
Hey guys. I guess nothing has changed since I last logged on....
Posted by milliam on :
Looks like someone forgot to pay the quotemedia bill or at least forgot to re-up the subscription.
Other than that, it all looks the same to me.
On another note, Songwi.com is showing that the presentation is not active. I haven't looked at it in quite some time though, so this might be really old.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Yeah, but looks aren't everything
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Aren't I funny?
Hey there, how U B?
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Greenday...I'm getting the same thing on Rufie's board. I'm not sure if signing up is worth it, but I guess it can't hurt too much. They must really want some IP's.
There are now 412 members...I guess this did the trick on getting people's ISPs...LOL
Posted by thesource on :
What ever happen with Dufus's suit in California ? Did they show up or did the lady win by default ?
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Greenday...I'm getting the same thing on Rufie's board. I'm not sure if signing up is worth it, but I guess it can't hurt too much. They must really want some IP's.
There are now 412 members...I guess this did the trick on getting people's ISPs...LOL
10, I liked to look every so often at the site.
I would click on RPH and read his messages{just in case something NEW was up} Now that he did that to his site, the heck with it. My hubby actually signed me up over there without my permission {and added years to my age!!!!!!!!}
I told him I wasn't interested and now that I do like to peek, I don't know what he put as my password, and don't want to ask him LOL
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Jenna, Have you had any contact with John? I know for awhile you did and then you didn't.
How's everything going? Staying out of trouble? Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Jenna, Have you had any contact with John? I know for awhile you did and then you didn't.
How's everything going? Staying out of trouble?
Hey!!! I called John last week, he has not called me back yet, I'm not sure if I will call again....maybe in a few days....I'm hoping he's just busy getting things in order but who knows!!!
I AM NUMB.....
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Jenna,
I have called John a couple of times and he has not called me back either. I'm hearing consistant stories from others. Either he is on the lamb or he is stalling for some reason...maybe he was flying Jet Blue and couldn't get home. Perhaps, he does not want to put out his PR until Rufus puts out his proxy. I'm sure Rufus does not want to put out his proxy until John puts out his PR. Lovely!
I AM FED UP!
Posted by Jenna on :
Interesting thought Matt, well, they can take their games & shove 'em.....
Posted by St. Matthew on :
I just keep telling myself...This is not what it seems...the truth will be stranger than fiction.
Posted by Jenna on :
I keep telling myself if I knew then what I know now - I would have flipped the crud out of it....& not have held "waiting for the reset"!!
Hindsight is 20/20....
I am numb.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Hindsight is more painful that 20/20. Hindsight is proverbial kick in the teeth at least on this subject.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
You can still flip it now between .08 and .15. Just need a few more dollars for the commissions.
If nothing else it would show a lot of volume moving in and out.
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm catching up on the last SPR show (I'm always running behind these days ).
Did anyone find anything about a CEO having to be a US citizen? Someone called in and told Simon you have to be a US citizen to run a US company, but I he didn't give any info to back it up. I've tried searching the SEC site as well as Delaware's corporation site about this, but I haven't found a definite law either way. Delaware's site says you can operate a LLC if your a non citizen, but that's as much as I've found.
A quick answer to your question is ....... Check who is the CEO of a company named Eastman Kodak. That should answer it with a big NO.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
I guess my question would be this...
Some say that this has been Rufus' plan all along...you know, to catch the shorts...and when I say "all along" I mean from the time he began planning this battle as long as 2-3 years ago. Some say that it has been his goal all along for them to never forget the name Rufus Paul Harris. Was it planned, or is he just reacting to the bad guys?
If Rufus is not just reacting to the criminal activity that is being perpetrated on our company…if he actually merged with Fronthal for the purpose of going after them by setting a trap…Shouldn’t he have put out a (secret) proxy vote to the shareholders about what his plans were? I know that this sounds crazy, but hear me out.
If it was his intention from day one to take us on this roller coaster ride and to use us to trap and defeat the shorts, shouldn’t we have been told about it? Shouldn’t we have voted on it if it was his actual “business” plan? We are told that many of the JV projects on the cvsu.us website were not real and were only there to trap the shorts. Shouldn’t he have given those who did not have the stomach for it to bail out? Shouldn’t we have been given some sort of idea of what the compensation would be for holding long and strong throughout the war?
We are talking about two very different things here. It is one thing for this to just happen to us and for him to react to the illegal activity that is prevalent in the market place today. It is another thing entirely for him to deliberately take us (the shareholders) into this battle without us knowing what we were getting into.
Some say that Rufus never intended for this company to move on past this. He even hinted strongly that he did not plan on being the CEO past November. They say that his goal was to get us shut down and placed into receivership so that he could prove and win a RICO settlement against the SEC and the bad guys. My question is…is this legal?
I'm jusk asking...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
FWIW...this just out.
Today, 10:29 AM #10020 dogman HSM Regular
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 301 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Arlitt <afccorporation*yahoo.ca> To: Dogman do <dogmando*hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Status Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:10:37 -0500 (EST)
James I apologize for not getting back to you yet. I asked my brother to send this message so you at least know I am back. I do have news for sometime later today or the morning. I have been in the hospital for the last two days so I have not been able to get in touch with anyone. I will get in touch with you later today. I believe someone tried to call me this morning while I was still in the hospital but I could not get an answer but I can not use the cell phone there. I will be out some time late today.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: You can still flip it now between .08 and .15. Just need a few more dollars for the commissions.
If nothing else it would show a lot of volume moving in and out.
Arghh! I missed my .14. Wasn't paying attention. Now I need to wait another week, unless...?
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: FWIW...this just out.
Today, 10:29 AM #10020 dogman HSM Regular
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 301 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: John Arlitt <afccorporation*yahoo.ca> To: Dogman do <dogmando*hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Status Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 10:10:37 -0500 (EST)
James I apologize for not getting back to you yet. I asked my brother to send this message so you at least know I am back. I do have news for sometime later today or the morning. I have been in the hospital for the last two days so I have not been able to get in touch with anyone. I will get in touch with you later today. I believe someone tried to call me this morning while I was still in the hospital but I could not get an answer but I can not use the cell phone there. I will be out some time late today.
so why is he trying to contact dogman? I'm sorry that he was in the hospital...(if he was...not saying that Tut is fibbing) Portman? Do you ever hear anything from this man? Does the SHC even excist anymore? I wonder how long all these players can continue to play the game?
AND? why hasn't the SEC just completely shut the damn thing down? SO FRUSTRATING!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Maybe he was in the hospital because he tried to pull a rabbit out his butt to save this stock j/k I certainly hope nothing was really wrong.
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Maybe he was in the hospital because he tried to pull a rabbit out his butt to save this stock j/k I certainly hope nothing was really wrong.
LMAO...not nice...but funny... Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Maybe he was in the hospital because he tried to pull a rabbit out his butt to save this stock j/k I certainly hope nothing was really wrong.
Maybe his stomach had a difficult time adjusting from German Beer to Canadian Beer.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Maybe he was in the hospital because he tried to pull a rabbit out his butt to save this stock j/k I certainly hope nothing was really wrong.
Maybe he had someone's foot up his arse!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Maybe he was in the hospital because he tried to pull a rabbit out his butt to save this stock j/k I certainly hope nothing was really wrong.
LMAO...not nice...but funny...
He as probably bitten by a cobra as he was lollygagging around trying to find the gates of victory.
Sorry if this comes off a bit harsh but im not buying the whole hospital bit. As our self appointed CEO he should have had his brother (cough cough) send that message out days ago.
If we get a PR tonight or tomorrow with ANY REAL SUBSTANCE ill personally write him an apology email to the address above.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Mr. C,
I think that they are both stalling in an effort to get as close to the March 5th date as possible. JMHO.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Maybe he was in the hospital because he tried to pull a rabbit out his butt to save this stock j/k I certainly hope nothing was really wrong.
LMAO...not nice...but funny...
He as probably bitten by a cobra as he was lollygagging around trying to find the gates of victory.
Sorry if this comes off a bit harsh but im not buying the whole hospital bit. As our self appointed CEO he should have had his brother (cough cough) send that message out days ago.
If we get a PR tonight or tomorrow with ANY REAL SUBSTANCE ill personally write him an apology email to the address above.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Maybe he was in the hospital because he tried to pull a rabbit out his butt to save this stock j/k I certainly hope nothing was really wrong.
Maybe he had someone's foot up his arse!
Imagine the amount of people that would be standing inline to plant a foot there on him or Rufus. I spare no one including myself. I deserve a swift kick in the pants for holding this Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well St Matt, i think thats our last "chance" to salvage anything. If indeed this new regulation is going to "save" the world against naked shorting then things could turn around i suppose.
But, if he lied about being in the hospital to buy time he might as well go back to what he does best...pumping stocks for money.
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm catching up on the last SPR show (I'm always running behind these days ).
Did anyone find anything about a CEO having to be a US citizen? Someone called in and told Simon you have to be a US citizen to run a US company, but I he didn't give any info to back it up. I've tried searching the SEC site as well as Delaware's corporation site about this, but I haven't found a definite law either way. Delaware's site says you can operate a LLC if your a non citizen, but that's as much as I've found.
A quick answer to your question is ....... Check who is the CEO of a company named Eastman Kodak. That should answer it with a big NO.
I see that Eastman Kodak is a worldwide company, so I would expect their CEO could be a foreign citizen. I guess you could say that CSHD is a worldwide company as well, but I don't think we have offices anywhere but in the US. Either way, I would imagine the CEO of Eastman Kodak can at least visit the US...Now I don't know if its true about John not even being able come here or not, so I'm not making statements here...just asking questions.
I'd like to see a rule or something. Until then I want pass judgement either way (I'd actually lean toward it not being a problem until I see a law or rule).
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Im REALLY interested in the story that Arlitt can not come to the states. Last i checked all you needed was a passport for either a Canadian citizen or German citizen so whats the problem? I suppose if they classified it as a "Work visa" they could deny him but again im curious why they would do so.
Rufus obviously has a seriously tarnished track record right now but the BS that has come out of Tut the past 5 months SHOULD be criminal IMO...especially if he has any secret involvement with any previous officers. I dont doubt that there is a PR coming.....i just doubt it will have any real substance.
Prove me wrong Tut!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Every day something comes up to "delay" the CEO'S words!
I have to agree with 10 , about John "reporting" to dogman. Don't anyone try and tell me there is no phone service at a "hospital" If he is truely the CEO , sorry had to clear my throat, He could have sent out a pr.or at the very least, had his 'brother' post on several boards , to all MY shareholders blah blah blah.
First it was Germany, then wait , he's going somewhere else {Russia ?}but he'll be home tomorrow oh wait, he's stranded in the snow , but will be home today or tomorrow, wait a minute, he's not in the snow, he's in the hospital!
All of the above is hearsay,except for pr.stating he's going to Germany.
Rufus, to my knowledge has not sent out the proxy!
I've been quiet for some time now, but dang it, enough is enough!I say put up or shut up! And all groupies from both sides should QUIT giving tidbits here and there. Let Tut or RPH talk for them selves !Please no more "insider" news.IMO it makes the "company" look more crazier! If that's possible!
Wow, I feel better
P.s. If he really is in the hospital,hope he feels better Posted by trade04 on :
hey guys, whens the next shareholder BBQ?
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey guys, I have an idea....why don't we ALL take over the company??? One of us can be the CEO, the rest can be the board of directors.....we should hijack the company & tell Alana we are taking over, change the name, but use the same business plan.....
....so how do we go about doing this....? Can I send out a proxy? HeHe Posted by Jenna on :
We can call it Rebel Holdings
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
AND WHY DOES MY SCOTTRADE NOW SHOW US BACK UP TO .15. is something in the wind?
I know I'm yelling, just pretending to be excited...
More confused than anything else.
Posted by Jenna on :
The only thing in the wind is smoke from trade's dubey.....(j/k trade)
Posted by St. Matthew on :
I would have to agree with you...well said...especially the humor at the end. Enough with the lies, enough with the rumors, enough with the "know boat" stuff, enough with the "my side is right so you are an idiot" crap.
Enough is Enough!
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Every day something comes up to "delay" the CEO'S words!
I have to agree with 10 , about John "reporting" to dogman. Don't anyone try and tell me there is no phone service at a "hospital" If he is truely the CEO , sorry had to clear my throat, He could have sent out a pr.or at the very least, had his 'brother' post on several boards , to all MY shareholders blah blah blah.
First it was Germany, then wait , he's going somewhere else {Russia ?}but he'll be home tomorrow oh wait, he's stranded in the snow , but will be home today or tomorrow, wait a minute, he's not in the snow, he's in the hospital!
All of the above is hearsay,except for pr.stating he's going to Germany.
Rufus, to my knowledge has not sent out the proxy!
I've been quiet for some time now, but dang it, enough is enough!I say put up or shut up! And all groupies from both sides should QUIT giving tidbits here and there. Let Tut or RPH talk for them selves !Please no more "insider" news.IMO it makes the "company" look more crazier! If that's possible!
Wow, I feel better
P.s. If he really is in the hospital,hope he feels better
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: I would have to agree with you...well said...especially the humor at the end. Enough with the lies, enough with the rumors, enough with the "know boat" stuff, enough with the "my side is right so you are an idiot" crap.
Enough is Enough!
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Every day something comes up to "delay" the CEO'S words!
I have to agree with 10 , about John "reporting" to dogman. Don't anyone try and tell me there is no phone service at a "hospital" If he is truely the CEO , sorry had to clear my throat, He could have sent out a pr.or at the very least, had his 'brother' post on several boards , to all MY shareholders blah blah blah.
First it was Germany, then wait , he's going somewhere else {Russia ?}but he'll be home tomorrow oh wait, he's stranded in the snow , but will be home today or tomorrow, wait a minute, he's not in the snow, he's in the hospital!
All of the above is hearsay,except for pr.stating he's going to Germany.
Rufus, to my knowledge has not sent out the proxy!
I've been quiet for some time now, but dang it, enough is enough!I say put up or shut up! And all groupies from both sides should QUIT giving tidbits here and there. Let Tut or RPH talk for them selves !Please no more "insider" news.IMO it makes the "company" look more crazier! If that's possible!
Wow, I feel better
P.s. If he really is in the hospital,hope he feels better
I concur 100%. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
There Jenna...a name AND ticker symbol for the Company after "we" take it over... ENUF !
Posted by St. Matthew on :
I'll bet it will go "to da Moon!"
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: There Jenna...a name AND ticker symbol for the Company after "we" take it over... ENUF !
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: There Jenna...a name AND ticker symbol for the Company after "we" take it over... ENUF !
how about UFKD
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: There Jenna...a name AND ticker symbol for the Company after "we" take it over... ENUF !
I LOVE IT!!!
I just looked up that symbol seems to be available ... LOL .... Posted by St. Matthew on :
How about STPD or DUMB or SUKR or SOON or GRDE or NTUT
Posted by Jenna on :
How about SCAM....
Posted by Jenna on :
Here are a few more....I will be sending out a PROXY so we can vote on the new symbol..it will be sent in about 2 weeks (in CSHD time that is around 2000 never)
What about:
-NUTS
-AHOL
-BURND
-LIAR
-PUMP
-DUMP
-BROKE
-THEF
-SCUM
-LOSE
-NOMO
-JAIL
Posted by 6digits on :
Don't forget CEOs can call in sick too!
Posted by Jenna on :
Well, I was just checking out some posts at HSM....one from dogman was interesting & sickening at the same time....
It was, I assume, the company Check/balance book from July....looks like there was some horse feed bought by CSHD & a few cash withdrawls for thousands & thousands of dollars & alot of restaurants were visited...I hope those were business meetings at Chili's....nice....I hope Chocolate Thunder or whatever his name is, is full now....
Posted by Jenna on :
The more I dig - the more sick I get.....(from HSM)
Feb 9th, 2007, 05:11 PM #4613 cshdlong HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 791 Quote: Originally Posted by dogman UNBRIDLED DESIRE (USA) dkb/br. 1993 20-2-4-3 $186,620
SIXTO G (USA) b. 1995 29-5-4-6 $60,000
Why are these two horses owned by GABREEDERS now and were owned by Equine Solutions a JV of CSHD
Why is it I just called the transfer agent and they dont have me listed as CVSU shareholder after I wired money to BEN stanley and Rufus harris????
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Well, I was just checking out some posts at HSM....one from dogman was interesting & sickening at the same time....
It was, I assume, the company Check/balance book from July....looks like there was some horse feed bought by CSHD & a few cash withdrawls for thousands & thousands of dollars & alot of restaurants were visited...I hope those were business meetings at Chili's....nice....I hope Chocolate Thunder or whatever his name is, is full now....
Wouldn't expect anything less.
What is happening March 5th regarding naked shorts???
Posted by humble on :
This is why the outcome of my requesting certificates may be important. Should the CSHD transfer agent be found to be a part of the NSS problem, it seems that physically issued certs could potentially be much more damaging to them than harder-to-trace digital inconsistencies (forced buy-in).
From securities laws regulating transfer agents:
"A registered transfer agent, in the event of any actual physical overissuance that such transfer agent caused and of which it has knowledge, shall, within 60 days of the discovery of such overissuance, buy in securities equal to the number of shares in the case of equity securities or the principal dollar amount in the case of debt securities. During the sixty-day period, the registered transfer agent shall devote diligent attention to resolving the overissuance and recovering the certificates. This paragraph requires a buy-in only by the transfer agent that erroneously issued the certificate(s) giving rise to the physical overissuance, and applies only to those physical overissuances created by transfers or issuances subsequent to September 30, 1983."
There has been no visible progress thus far but it is good to know who is on the hook for what as information comes to light.
Also new to me is the relative ease with which one can register as a transfer agent and the vast power TAs have with very little stringent regulation. It would not surprise me at all if a lot of the NSS problem happened at this level of the system.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: The more I dig - the more sick I get.....(from HSM)
Feb 9th, 2007, 05:11 PM #4613 cshdlong HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 791 Quote: Originally Posted by dogman UNBRIDLED DESIRE (USA) dkb/br. 1993 20-2-4-3 $186,620
SIXTO G (USA) b. 1995 29-5-4-6 $60,000
Why are these two horses owned by GABREEDERS now and were owned by Equine Solutions a JV of CSHD
Why is it I just called the transfer agent and they dont have me listed as CVSU shareholder after I wired money to BEN stanley and Rufus harris????
WWWAAAYYY back ...I called the transfer agent and I was not on the list...in any of the 3 accounts I trade with...I was told that I wouldn't be unless I requested CERTS...but my broker would be...about a week or so later is when the NOBO list was posted...and I was on that... With the above poster? Why would he wire Ben or Rufas money? Are they brokers? Is it "normal" practice to wire a public company money in order to buy shares? Oh wait...what am i thinking? "Normal practice"? We are talking about CSHD...that IS normal practice Posted by milliam on :
Jenna, the Equine Solutions deal is very interesting. Does anyone remember if the contract for that JV was in the court documents in Bartow County? It would be good to look them over and see just what the deal was. Rufus said that he agreed to devote 50% of his time to the company and 50% of his time to his horses. He talked the board of directors into including Equine Solutions in CSHD's company as a JV, but when they didn't fulfill their side of the deal, everything went back to Rufus. He made a point of including that the lease to purchase also went back to him. Did Rufus undo his own deal with himself?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: I'll bet it will go "to da Moon!"
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: There Jenna...a name AND ticker symbol for the Company after "we" take it over... ENUF !
Only if the ticker symbol is MOON.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by humble: This is why the outcome of my requesting certificates may be important. Should the CSHD transfer agent be found to be a part of the NSS problem, it seems that physically issued certs could potentially be much more damaging to them than harder-to-trace digital inconsistencies (forced buy-in).
From securities laws regulating transfer agents:
"A registered transfer agent, in the event of any actual physical overissuance that such transfer agent caused and of which it has knowledge, shall, within 60 days of the discovery of such overissuance, buy in securities equal to the number of shares in the case of equity securities or the principal dollar amount in the case of debt securities. During the sixty-day period, the registered transfer agent shall devote diligent attention to resolving the overissuance and recovering the certificates. This paragraph requires a buy-in only by the transfer agent that erroneously issued the certificate(s) giving rise to the physical overissuance, and applies only to those physical overissuances created by transfers or issuances subsequent to September 30, 1983."
There has been no visible progress thus far but it is good to know who is on the hook for what as information comes to light.
Also new to me is the relative ease with which one can register as a transfer agent and the vast power TAs have with very little stringent regulation. It would not surprise me at all if a lot of the NSS problem happened at this level of the system.
...In My humble Opinion
Not to worry. Mike will just gift him some shares.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
Darn not sure if it's gremlins or something more nefarious but double post. Sorry. Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Jenna, the Equine Solutions deal is very interesting. Does anyone remember if the contract for that JV was in the court documents in Bartow County? It would be good to look them over and see just what the deal was. Rufus said that he agreed to devote 50% of his time to the company and 50% of his time to his horses. He talked the board of directors into including Equine Solutions in CSHD's company as a JV, but when they didn't fulfill their side of the deal, everything went back to Rufus. He made a point of including that the lease to purchase also went back to him. Did Rufus undo his own deal with himself?
None of the JV's were ever funded. If I am correct that means that none of them are under contract, since CSHD never completed their part of the bargain. Take everything from James Gee with the same BIG grain of salt as anything else that comes out here, whether it's from Rufus "where's the Proxy" Harris, Mike "The Gifthorse" Alexander, Dave " The Slippery" Perley, John "The Prophet" Arlitt or any of their prospective Apostles. We know of a couple Apostle's watch for more. There's the Apostle James and the Country Brazil(newly Annointed Apostle). Just wait a little and with all the scripture being quoted I'm sure 10 more Apostles will show up, or should I say be chosen.
GLTA Wally
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm catching up on the last SPR show (I'm always running behind these days ).
Did anyone find anything about a CEO having to be a US citizen? Someone called in and told Simon you have to be a US citizen to run a US company, but I he didn't give any info to back it up. I've tried searching the SEC site as well as Delaware's corporation site about this, but I haven't found a definite law either way. Delaware's site says you can operate a LLC if your a non citizen, but that's as much as I've found.
A quick answer to your question is ....... Check who is the CEO of a company named Eastman Kodak. That should answer it with a big NO.
I see that Eastman Kodak is a worldwide company, so I would expect their CEO could be a foreign citizen. I guess you could say that CSHD is a worldwide company as well, but I don't think we have offices anywhere but in the US. Either way, I would imagine the CEO of Eastman Kodak can at least visit the US...Now I don't know if its true about John not even being able come here or not, so I'm not making statements here...just asking questions.
I'd like to see a rule or something. Until then I want pass judgement either way (I'd actually lean toward it not being a problem until I see a law or rule).
Of course its a world wide corporation. And so can CSD be considered a world wide corporation. Kodak is headquartered in Rochester, NY. It is incorporated in New Jersey, like many other companies. NO ...... the CEO does not have to be a US citizen.
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by milliam:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm catching up on the last SPR show (I'm always running behind these days ).
Did anyone find anything about a CEO having to be a US citizen? Someone called in and told Simon you have to be a US citizen to run a US company, but I he didn't give any info to back it up. I've tried searching the SEC site as well as Delaware's corporation site about this, but I haven't found a definite law either way. Delaware's site says you can operate a LLC if your a non citizen, but that's as much as I've found.
A quick answer to your question is ....... Check who is the CEO of a company named Eastman Kodak. That should answer it with a big NO.
I see that Eastman Kodak is a worldwide company, so I would expect their CEO could be a foreign citizen. I guess you could say that CSHD is a worldwide company as well, but I don't think we have offices anywhere but in the US. Either way, I would imagine the CEO of Eastman Kodak can at least visit the US...Now I don't know if its true about John not even being able come here or not, so I'm not making statements here...just asking questions.
I'd like to see a rule or something. Until then I want pass judgement either way (I'd actually lean toward it not being a problem until I see a law or rule).
Of course its a world wide corporation. And so can CSHD be considered a world wide corporation. Kodak is headquartered in Rochester, NY. It is incorporated in New Jersey, like many other companies. Kodak is a corporation incorporated pursuant to the laws of the State of New Jersey NO ...... the CEO does not have to be a US citizen.
Posted by Jenna on :
Wally, I loved your post....the nicknames were perfect & the "Apostle" thing was soooo funny!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Dad....
Posted by Jenna on :
American Idol is on......at least that makes me happy...
Posted by luvforever on :
Hello all...nothing new just lurking around and seems theres fighting at the one board~LOL bashers or an it as them folks say! Hope everyones good! Posted by luvforever on :
Rufas is over there talking asking sorry which 8k etc needs some dd done ~LOL Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by milliam:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm catching up on the last SPR show (I'm always running behind these days ).
Did anyone find anything about a CEO having to be a US citizen? Someone called in and told Simon you have to be a US citizen to run a US company, but I he didn't give any info to back it up. I've tried searching the SEC site as well as Delaware's corporation site about this, but I haven't found a definite law either way. Delaware's site says you can operate a LLC if your a non citizen, but that's as much as I've found.
A quick answer to your question is ....... Check who is the CEO of a company named Eastman Kodak. That should answer it with a big NO.
I see that Eastman Kodak is a worldwide company, so I would expect their CEO could be a foreign citizen. I guess you could say that CSHD is a worldwide company as well, but I don't think we have offices anywhere but in the US. Either way, I would imagine the CEO of Eastman Kodak can at least visit the US...Now I don't know if its true about John not even being able come here or not, so I'm not making statements here...just asking questions.
I'd like to see a rule or something. Until then I want pass judgement either way (I'd actually lean toward it not being a problem until I see a law or rule).
Of course its a world wide corporation. And so can CSD be considered a world wide corporation. Kodak is headquartered in Rochester, NY. It is incorporated in New Jersey, like many other companies. NO ...... the CEO does not have to be a US citizen.
I think that CSHD is NOT a S Corp should be no problems with JA not being a US citizen.
There are some rules to registrants though- I know that Harvard Business Services handles the local registrant requirement for the state of incorporation- just not sure about the state the company operates in. Who is the Registrant?
Can a nonresident serve as an officer and/or director of a United States corporation, or as a manager of a United States LLC?
A nonresident may serve as a corporate officer or director of a U.S. corporation, or as a manager of a U.S. LLC.
Posted by trade04 on :
wtf JA not a citizen? omg unbelievable geez guys i think this company is just disappearing/ leaving hte scene and they will leave a trail of clues that end nowhere
Posted by milliam on :
Frank, I saw that info on the LLC, but I assumed CSHD was not a LLC. I'd like to find something like that where it spells it out point blank for other types of companies.
I'd also like to find something that concretely says if JA can come to the US or not. IMO, if he can't, he shouldn't be/act as our CEO.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm, I thought he was in the hospital (LOL). Maybe he was going to go to the hospital when he came back to the U.S. but hasn't gotten there yet but was thinking in terms of future plans... (LOL again)
WTF is going on??? Jeesh! Posted by 3403 on :
Rufus being a rancher is surrounded by horse sh*t. Didn't think he would let it rub off on him.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm, Price dropped but is now going back up. At least we have a little volume...
BOOYAH!
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Frank, I saw that info on the LLC, but I assumed CSHD was not a LLC. I'd like to find something like that where it spells it out point blank for other types of companies.
I'd also like to find something that concretely says if JA can come to the US or not. IMO, if he can't, he shouldn't be/act as our CEO.
If you look at the details it says LLC or Corporation (Long as its not S Corp)
I actually called the CSHD registrant- verified the above.
JA Should have no issues running a public company in the US from Canada....the question is do they have the registrants in place in the state of operation?
Thats not even getting into the entire voting structure of the shares on the 11/27 date. I have compiled some extensive information on the topic and am looking to find WHO provided the vote to equal 51% of the shares.
It was not MA- he only had 11.9 mil shares at the time (11/27/06).
Not that any of this matters- we all sit on the shares we have and watch to see if our numbers are drawn in the lottery daily.
It is interesting the holes in this........like swiss cheese Posted by Igor R on :
Well its almost thursday, and still no early in the week PR from JA, shocking as that may seem lol.
Posted by milliam on :
Frank, I guess I didn't look at that stuff enough. Thanks for the clarification. I had my doubts that there was a rule about the non-citizen deal, just because no real DD came up about it after Rufus threw it out.
I would still like to know about John's US travel status though.
The 51% vote info would be huge IMO. Everyone assumes it was mainly Mike and it almost seems like it has to be. I remember some rumors floating around about the TA signing a document saying Mike has the 50 million to vote, but those are just rumors without real documentation. Then again, those rumors might have been that the TA signed a document saying they (the voters) had 51%. Too much stuff going on with this stock to remember!
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Well its almost thursday, and still no early in the week PR from JA, shocking as that may seem lol.
Yeah, and no proxy from Rufus either. Lots of hot air from both sides it seems. At least that will get us a nice warm day here in Atlanta .
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Frank, I guess I didn't look at that stuff enough. Thanks for the clarification. I had my doubts that there was a rule about the non-citizen deal, just because no real DD came up about it after Rufus threw it out.
I would still like to know about John's US travel status though.
The 51% vote info would be huge IMO. Everyone assumes it was mainly Mike and it almost seems like it has to be. I remember some rumors floating around about the TA signing a document saying Mike has the 50 million to vote, but those are just rumors without real documentation. Then again, those rumors might have been that the TA signed a document saying they (the voters) had 51%. Too much stuff going on with this stock to remember!
I did a decent summary on the Form4 that outlines the share quantity at specific dates. One of which included the # of shares held at the time of the 51% majority vote.
If you dig up my posts on HSM you can see my post of the TA letter- and bolded the part that as of 11/30 (the date of the letter) MA's pref shares were still pref shares...with no voting rights.
His form 4 files also shows the # of shares held at the time of the vote to be 11.9mil- 110mil OS (without the pref shares converted) means a 56.1mil share count to= 51%...assuming that the 51% majority rule applies to the overall OS.
Just more info that makes this stink
I however for my own reasons have not sold- I have actually bought more and averaged down to .23
I am confident that I will make some good money on this play.....its just the time table thats been skewed.
Posted by milliam on :
Good work Frank. I just wonder about Mike's form 4's. Seems like such an after thought. Like, he I voted all of those shares, maybe I should file them or something.
I'll have to look for the TA letter...sounds like a good piece of info.
One of Rufus's points on SPR is that even if they voted 51%, how many were air shares? If there's 600 million shares in the market, it wouldn't be hard to get 56 million shares up I would think.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hey Frank...I agree with you. I have also averaged down (around .63 now) and trying to flip.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Wow, a lot of volume today but no news.
Posted by ruthie on :
Why is there oo's on bid and on ask??
Posted by thesource on :
Hell I've been trying to buy this crapola at .05 for about a week . I wanted to flip it and let some of the brain washed fools buy it around .15 a share .
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: Why is there oo's on bid and on ask??
Because it is current trading on the Gray Sheets. It is supposed be matched trading only. Meaning that buyers and sellers are being matched up. Somedays it looks like that is happening and then other days it seems impossible for that to be happening. I guess that's why they call them Gray Sheets because everything is a shade of gray and nothing is black white or even pink.
GLTA Wally
Posted by PCola77 on :
Wally, greys are definitely NOT matched trades. I've bought and sold HVLN numerous times on the greys at prices different from my bid or ask, and I actually bought some CSHD on the greys a few weeks ago out of boredom. I put in a bid of .20 and it executed at .17.
The only supposition that I can make about the way that it works is that MMs don't make markets between each other. In other words, if I put in an order to buy 1000 shares of CSHD at .20 and someone else with a different broker puts in an order to sell at .20, it'll never get executed, but if someone puts in a sell at .14 with my broker, it would execute at .17 for both of us.
That's purely speculation on my part, but seems to be the only thing that makes sense given my experience.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Wally, greys are definitely NOT matched trades. I've bought and sold HVLN numerous times on the greys at prices different from my bid or ask, and I actually bought some CSHD on the greys a few weeks ago out of boredom. I put in a bid of .20 and it executed at .17.
The only supposition that I can make about the way that it works is that MMs don't make markets between each other. In other words, if I put in an order to buy 1000 shares of CSHD at .20 and someone else with a different broker puts in an order to sell at .20, it'll never get executed, but if someone puts in a sell at .14 with my broker, it would execute at .17 for both of us.
That's purely speculation on my part, but seems to be the only thing that makes sense given my experience.
Thanks. I guess that's why it's the Gray's. One never knows.
Wally
Posted by PCola77 on :
Should be called the browns, cause it's all bullsh*t.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Wally, greys are definitely NOT matched trades. I've bought and sold HVLN numerous times on the greys at prices different from my bid or ask, and I actually bought some CSHD on the greys a few weeks ago out of boredom. I put in a bid of .20 and it executed at .17.
The only supposition that I can make about the way that it works is that MMs don't make markets between each other. In other words, if I put in an order to buy 1000 shares of CSHD at .20 and someone else with a different broker puts in an order to sell at .20, it'll never get executed, but if someone puts in a sell at .14 with my broker, it would execute at .17 for both of us.
That's purely speculation on my part, but seems to be the only thing that makes sense given my experience.
Thanks. I guess that's why it's the Gray's. One never knows.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Should be called the browns, cause it's all bullsh*t.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Wally, greys are definitely NOT matched trades. I've bought and sold HVLN numerous times on the greys at prices different from my bid or ask, and I actually bought some CSHD on the greys a few weeks ago out of boredom. I put in a bid of .20 and it executed at .17.
The only supposition that I can make about the way that it works is that MMs don't make markets between each other. In other words, if I put in an order to buy 1000 shares of CSHD at .20 and someone else with a different broker puts in an order to sell at .20, it'll never get executed, but if someone puts in a sell at .14 with my broker, it would execute at .17 for both of us.
That's purely speculation on my part, but seems to be the only thing that makes sense given my experience.
Thanks. I guess that's why it's the Gray's. One never knows.
Wally
LOL. That would be much more appropriate.
Wally
Posted by thesource on :
Hey wasn't their someone that wanted to make a movie about CSHD ???? I wonder when they are going to release it ?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Hey wasn't their someone that wanted to make a movie about CSHD ???? I wonder when they are going to release it ?
When they get funded by the bond John Arlitt recieved in Germany...... Posted by thesource on :
Sweet ......... I can see it now . It going to have comedy , drama , action , romance and irony !!!
SHC: So John , did you bring back some bonds ?
JA: Yes ......
SHC: So where are they ?
JA: He's sitting in my car .
SHC: You moron , you were suppose to bring back bonds to fund CSHD not James Bond .
JA: Dough !!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Frank, I saw that info on the LLC, but I assumed CSHD was not a LLC. I'd like to find something like that where it spells it out point blank for other types of companies.
I'd also like to find something that concretely says if JA can come to the US or not. IMO, if he can't, he shouldn't be/act as our CEO.
If you look at the details it says LLC or Corporation (Long as its not S Corp)
I actually called the CSHD registrant- verified the above.
JA Should have no issues running a public company in the US from Canada....the question is do they have the registrants in place in the state of operation?
Thats not even getting into the entire voting structure of the shares on the 11/27 date. I have compiled some extensive information on the topic and am looking to find WHO provided the vote to equal 51% of the shares.
It was not MA- he only had 11.9 mil shares at the time (11/27/06).
Not that any of this matters- we all sit on the shares we have and watch to see if our numbers are drawn in the lottery daily.
It is interesting the holes in this........like swiss cheese
Frank, I just read somewhere the other day that the vote was made up of 25 people....who they all are I have no idea....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Hey wasn't their someone that wanted to make a movie about CSHD ???? I wonder when they are going to release it ?
When they get funded by the bond John Arlitt recieved in Germany......
I thought I told you guys...the PR about the new funding & the 140 page Proxy is in the hands of Elvis, he is burying them next to Jimmy Hoffa ... Posted by Jenna on :
Big Foot & the Tooth Fairy are taking bets on if the Proxy is a myth or not....
Big Foot says it doesn't exist, he spoted it in the land of Make-Believe, next to the bonds....
...but the Tooth Fairy said, no way, she knows the Proxy is real ,she saw it tucked under Rufus' pillow right next to the Vodka bottle & car keys...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Big Foot & the Tooth Fairy are taking bets on if the Proxy is a myth or not....
Big Foot says it doesn't exist, he spoted it in the land of Make-Believe, next to the bonds....
...but the Tooth Fairy said, no way, she knows the Proxy is real ,she saw it tucked under Rufus' pillow right next to the Vodka bottle & car keys...
Now I know that's a lie. You ask How? Because I believe Rufus is a whiskey man, Jack Daniels if memory serves me right. Otherwise it sounds about right.
Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Oh no Wally, maybe someone is framing him then....
Posted by milliam on :
Back to the 51% vote deal. At the BBQ, they talked about the 51% they used the first time to vote in Mike. They said they had about 13 people to make up the 51%.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Interesting...Was the barbecue the "shareholders meeting"? I never received any information about the vote and thought I would. Maybe they new the verdict of the vote since the 13 people may have been officers of the company or bigger investors.
Posted by milliam on :
The BBQ was right after Mike took back over. The only 2 people I know that used their shares to vote on that one was Mike and James Gee. This info about the 13 or so people came from James and later, Mike also said the same.
Posted by Jenna on :
Well, it's the 23rd.....Rufus, the CSHD Messaih, said we would have our 140 page Proxy.....I checked my mail....NO PROXY....Jees, anyone surprised????
I heard the PROXY is hanging out with $15/share & the 6:1.....
HSM....was saying something about a rumor of an indictment coming.....anybody hear anything?
Posted by wallymac on :
And just to add to the failed promises no word from TUT about the German trip that was supposed to have gotten funding and a Joint Venture.
This is worse than a rerun of the Keystone Kops. At least the Keystone Kops was funny.
Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Exactly Wally.....
Maybe everyone is in jail....who knows....EVERYONE is quiet....
Posted by Jenna on :
Look at this Hedge Funds subtlely being protected?
I didn't understand what this company did so I checked out their home page & this is what it says:
PURPOSE
This is a website of, for and by private investors, looking for investment opportunities in companies that will:
1. Take their business seriously; by providing objective evidence of potential profits.
2. Treat their investors fairly; with potential rewards proportionate to current risk.
3. Handle investor funds responsibly; providing transparency and monitoring of the use of investor money.
4. Provide recourse; Should the company fail to create a profitable company, the investors will assume control of assets, products and/or services developed with investor funds. '
5. Avoid exposing investors to Regulatory Risk; by refraining from the unlawful sale of unregistered securities, and the payment of illegal commissions to unlicensed securities salespersons.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: I just looked at the Venuzualian bond listed on stock lemon of all other things. The bond shows a line that says Dusseldorf ANNNND Frankfurt.
The PR that told us J.A. was going to Frankfurt to negotiate a deal and secure funding.
OK, is there a connection here? Anybody?
Maybe Romeo????
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Jenna...you have been a busy girl.
I was wondering...is the a federal website that can be checked for when people enter or leave the US based on passport information. I thought I remembered the other day seeing JA inthe hospital after returning from Germany but then I thought I saw he may have not returned yet.
Another approach, RPH mentioned the bonds were held in Euroclear. Can euroclear verify when folks "stop at the building" to review paperwork? Maybe JA signed a sign in sheet when he was over there.
Just grasping at straws...Ohhh, am I confused and tired.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hi Jenna, You appear to be talking to yourself
Thought I'd say Hello.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Jenna...you have been a busy girl.
I was wondering...is the a federal website that can be checked for when people enter or leave the US based on passport information. I thought I remembered the other day seeing JA inthe hospital after returning from Germany but then I thought I saw he may have not returned yet.
Another approach, RPH mentioned the bonds were held in Euroclear. Can euroclear verify when folks "stop at the building" to review paperwork? Maybe JA signed a sign in sheet when he was over there.
Just grasping at straws...Ohhh, am I confused and tired.
Not sure, those are both VERY good questions....have no idea how to check either thing out....this busy girl needa sleep....I will maybe dig tomarrow.....Where's Dog? He knew a lot about Bonds & Euroclear....
I'm taking a flight on Sunday...my friend is a manager one of the airline desks...I will ask her if there is a way to look up & see someone's flight itinerary....
Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Stock Momma...Good Night Stock Momma......
Oh everyone....for the record...I called JA last week, left message, but no call back yet.....
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Jenna...you have been a busy girl.
I was wondering...is the a federal website that can be checked for when people enter or leave the US based on passport information. I thought I remembered the other day seeing JA inthe hospital after returning from Germany but then I thought I saw he may have not returned yet.
Another approach, RPH mentioned the bonds were held in Euroclear. Can euroclear verify when folks "stop at the building" to review paperwork? Maybe JA signed a sign in sheet when he was over there.
Just grasping at straws...Ohhh, am I confused and tired.
Not sure, those are both VERY good questions....have no idea how to check either thing out....this busy girl needa sleep....I will maybe dig tomarrow.....Where's Dog? He knew a lot about Bonds & Euroclear....
I'm taking a flight on Sunday...my friend is a manager one of the airline desks...I will ask her if there is a way to look up & see someone's flight itinerary....
Theres ways, but they won't be available to regular joe shmoes, most likely only police/feds can access records like those.
Posted by Jenna on :
OK - 1 more thing weird...look at the officers of our company under JA....
More than likely there are no people to replace those old ones so the website just left the old ones...
I don't know about that...If they got rid of someone, it was for a good reason and they would not want those people to be affiliated with the company. Also, if they got rid of someone, normally a company would have a plan for a direct replacement,successor.
In Sabra's case, if she was releived of her duties I wonder if she found another job yet. If so, somebody should now with all the publicity around CSHD in the U.S. I would think somebody would say she's is now working for xyz corp.
?
Good Night!
I'll finish tonight by sayin...with CSHD, who knows? Anything is possible.
Posted by 6digits on :
Jenna for some reason I can't see Rufus forking out the bread it would cost for almost a thousand copies of a 149 page proxy. To actually produce anything that cost money to CSHD hasn't been his style from what I have seen. I think there was only a grand in the company treasury up till recently. So I can hardly wait for it to happen. I still want my 6:1 share distribution.
By the way I love the title of this thread.
Posted by thesource on :
There's a better chance for snow during July in Texas than there is that either of the bozo's (JA or RPH) will produce anything of value for CSHD . At this point your only hope is to hold it for several years until someone picks up the shell or sell it and take your losses and pursue legal actions if able .
Posted by 6digits on :
So far all the SEC has done is leave RPH off the hook and screwed the shareholders.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: So far all the SEC has done is leave RPH off the hook and screwed the shareholders.
that's about it...
they sure did a great job for the hedge funds huh?
whoever said crime doesn't pay was obviously a white-collar crook looking to keep the competition down huh? Posted by Murnak on :
To Get Rich, Just Follow the Instructions.........
Murnak? will you post the instructions? Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Murnak? will you post the instructions?
You're right he forgot to include the instruction manual in that article. I guess only the wealthy have access to it.
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Oh well Wally..us "poor folk"...have something the rich folk ain't got...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Oh well Wally..us "poor folk"...have something the rich folk ain't got...
And other than a lot of bills, what would that be? Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Oh well Wally..us "poor folk"...have something the rich folk ain't got...
And other than a lot of bills, what would that be?
Karma?
LOL! Evening everyone!
Posted by wallymac on :
Evening Frank
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...No Wally...even the Rich have "bills"... Loads of Debt is what we poor folk have..BUT I also like Frank's... Posted by frank021474 on :
K Time for zzzzz- just wanted to drop in and say hi.
I am still holding. Thats the price I chose to pay to see who has a chair when the music stops
Going to be interesting!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Well, it's the 23rd.....Rufus, the CSHD Messaih, said we would have our 140 page Proxy.....I checked my mail....NO PROXY....Jees, anyone surprised????
I heard the PROXY is hanging out with $15/share & the 6:1.....
HSM....was saying something about a rumor of an indictment coming.....anybody hear anything?
And, since i feel i have to, i ask where the F is Arlitts PR he was releasing 6-10 days ago? Its my understanding he answers to no one anymore right? Or is he speaking to Gee? In any case, can we please fire him yet?
I hope that whomever funded that Euro Trip was happy how the money was spent.
Posted by thesource on :
Is it just my account or did someone lock all the threads except one on ol' Dufus's website ???
Posted by wallymac on :
Must be your account.
Posted by fhalyesss on :
check out all the cshd websites!
note: no company officers!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Must be your account.
I guess Rufus and gang must not like what I have to say over there . Oh well ........ I'll get over it . Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by fhalyesss: check out all the cshd websites!
note: no company officers!
Wow...what the heck is going on? As if anyone would inform the shareholders anyways http://www.cvsu.us/ Posted by 10of13 on :
On Rufas's new site? Check out his email address in his profile...it use to be that gabreeders address...it's harris at cshd.us (I think that was it)
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
rumor is update of cshd site is because SEC agreed after rufus proved he was true CEO and rufus then updated the website.
Posted by 10of13 on :
So since Rufus was "unable" to send out the Proxy did he simply pull this out of the hat to "bide more time"? and JA and his "great" news is what? Again? Why hasn't the SEC shut this down completely? AND? If JA was "acting" as CEO and he wasn't will he then be charged with something? Man, How many more turns can this damn thing take? Again I say... CHEEZE ITS!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
I just got off the phone with Ben Stanley.....
He says Rufus is at the helm...
I am NOT joking....
Posted by PCola77 on :
Like the sands of an hourglass...
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I just got off the phone with Ben Stanley.....
He says Rufus is at the helm...
I am NOT joking....
Dude...serious?
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I just got off the phone with Ben Stanley.....
He says Rufus is at the helm...
I am NOT joking....
Did he say anything else? Such as if this will ever not be a gray sheet stock anymore lol.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Yeah, and when the $15 reset is happening?
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I just got off the phone with Ben Stanley.....
He says Rufus is at the helm...
I am NOT joking....
Did he say anything else? Such as if this will ever not be a gray sheet stock anymore lol.
Posted by thesource on :
How many different websites does this damn thing have ?
Posted by a surfer on :
Honest to God....
I have had his cell # programmed in my phone since 7 months ago. Someone had given it out so I put it in my phone.
I was sitting on the porch flipping through my phone and saw his # and called him.
We only spoke for a minute because he was getting on a concourse D train.. Sounded like Atlanta airport to me.
Anyway I asked who he considered the CEO is and he said Rufus is at the helm.
I asked about the proxy and he said he did not know what was going on with that.
Sorry but thats it.
Posted by oldblue- on :
no idea what happened here cause i wasnt following this one but wish you guys best of luck
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Honest to God....
I have had his cell # programmed in my phone since 7 months ago. Someone had given it out so I put it in my phone.
I was sitting on the porch flipping through my phone and saw his # and called him.
We only spoke for a minute because he was getting on a concourse D train.. Sounded like Atlanta airport to me.
Anyway I asked who he considered the CEO is and he said Rufus is at the helm.
I asked about the proxy and he said he did not know what was going on with that.
Sorry but thats it.
Surfer ....Does Ben saying that surprise you. He has been his "partner in crime" from the beginning. You have a right to believe Ben Stanley if you want. I was under the opinion Ben was not of the highest quality. He figures to back Rufus.
Posted by wallymac on :
As I have stated before. I don't believe any of them. Not one has produced on any timeline if at all. The only thing I will believe is what comes off of pacer from the court proceedings. Heck I won't even believe the SEC filings until the SEC approves them. That's how skeptical I am at this point.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Wally, Either something is brewing or a lot more lies are being spread
"someone" is saying that Rufus settled things with sec Friday. Take it for what it's worth, I don't "know the poster"
Rufus has locked down most of his treads.
And now a new looking website for cshd.
Guess we will just have to "wait and see" Ha
Posted by bilgert on :
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Wally, Either something is brewing or a lot more lies are being spread
"someone" is saying that Rufus settled things with sec Friday. Take it for what it's worth, I don't "know the poster"
Rufus has locked down most of his treads.
And now a new looking website for cshd.
Guess we will just have to "wait and see" Ha
There are always plenty of rumors. If he settled with the SEC there would have been a PR and knowing him and his mouth he would have been on SubPenny all night tonight.
Like I said SHOW ME THE FILING on PACER, this was directed at Rufus JA or any other Bozo in charge.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert:
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Hey Wally I think it's more like Butchy Boy is the ceo more than bozo, because there was a different Butchy Boy everyday.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Look like we all have some homework to do now.
Who is our CEO.
Status of the SEC.
Proxy & 6 4 1.
JA / Germany... What is the connection with Frankfurt and the Bond?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Just checked crap-hub. May not be crap after all and I may need to start respecting them (a little).
They are going nuts over there: -Rufus is back and J/a was a smokescreen.? -3 current company websites going: CSHD, CVSU & songwi. -SEC Court case over?
I'll beleive it when I see it and then only after the 3rd or 4th or 10th time.
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Just checked crap-hub. May not be crap after all and I may need to start respecting them (a little).
They are going nuts over there: -Rufus is back and J/a was a smokescreen.? -3 current company websites going: CSHD, CVSU & songwi. -SEC Court case over?
I'll beleive it when I see it and then only after the 3rd or 4th or 10th time.
And only when we get off the grays and get back to a respectable pps.
Posted by 10of13 on :
All rumors at this time...let's see some PR's...and actual $ in the CSHD accounts and then maybe I will THINK that there is a chance!
Has anyone called Alana? thedoctor? You've talked to her a few times...anything from her?
Posted by thesource on :
I've tried to contact Alana and it goes straight to voice mail . It says that if you are calling about CSHD please contact Bill somebody about it . I tried calling him and never received a return phone call either .
Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Source... CAT? Mailbox is full
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Sorry 10, all fixed
I see ive been missing the rumor mill! Im anxious to see where these rumors are coming from.
Ive checked out the website, looks like another heartbeat from CSHD. Im not gonna get too excited yet though.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Just checked crap-hub. May not be crap after all and I may need to start respecting them (a little).
They are going nuts over there: -Rufus is back and J/a was a smokescreen.? -3 current company websites going: CSHD, CVSU & songwi. -SEC Court case over?
I'll beleive it when I see it and then only after the 3rd or 4th or 10th time.
And only when we get off the grays and get back to a respectable pps.
Good point about the grays! I TOTALLY forgot about that.
Posted by TimW on :
FWIW, Conversion had their SEC profile updated wednesday:
Company Name: CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDINGS CORP. CIK: 0000757563 IRS Number: 953931129 Reporting File Number: 000-13910 Regulated Entity Type: SIC Code: 7812 Address: 507 MAIN STREET SUITE A LAKE DALLAS, TEXAS 75065 Phone Number: 940-321-1075 State of Incorporation: DELAWARE Fiscal Year End: 0630 Date of Last Update: 02/21/07
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm, I didn't notice that but does the update mean anything substantial? Is it the result of the (mysterious) proxy or the 23rd date RPH has eluded to?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: FWIW, Conversion had their SEC profile updated wednesday:
Company Name: CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDINGS CORP. CIK: 0000757563 IRS Number: 953931129 Reporting File Number: 000-13910 Regulated Entity Type: SIC Code: 7812 Address: 507 MAIN STREET SUITE A LAKE DALLAS, TEXAS 75065 Phone Number: 940-321-1075 State of Incorporation: DELAWARE Fiscal Year End: 0630 Date of Last Update: 02/21/07
That address is one belonging to Mike Alexander and the phone number just rings until a voice mail picks up . I've left my name and number 4 different times and no one ever called back either .
Posted by oldblue- on :
can anyone stop by the address i travel alot
where are they located
Posted by oldblue- on :
ah dallas next time im in the area ill make a pitt stop if you guys want me to
Posted by 10of13 on :
That's very nice of you...But more than likely...that address will change... Seems this so called company is mostly ran over the internet...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: That's very nice of you...But more than likely...that address will change... Seems this so called company is mostly ran over the internet...
I'd rather have the license number to the vehicle they are driving they we can at least have a shot of catching them at the border heading to either Mexico or Canada.
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...Wally..I'm not sure Rufus even drives... It would be hard to say what taxi would be taking him...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL...Wally..I'm not sure Rufus even drives... It would be hard to say what taxi would be taking him...
He could always ride one of his horses.
Wally
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL...Wally..I'm not sure Rufus even drives... It would be hard to say what taxi would be taking him...
He could always ride one of his horses.
Wally
I think a jackass would be more fitting for him .
Posted by Igor R on :
.12, cool!
Posted by emptycontents on :
Hey just wanted to give a heads up, Subpennyradio will have a CEO on that will expose naked shorts that tried to ruin his stock and exactly how they did it, I know CSHD went through this so it should be some really good listening.
8:30 PM eastern
Posted by 10of13 on :
Empty? did they say who the CEO is?
Posted by emptycontents on :
Just answering 10 not spamming u guys, last post here, TY it should be very interesting radio.
Ricky Smith of WHKA, GDVM recently performed a shorting scandal, he will reveal all of the details tonight.
• World Hockey Association Further Refutes Global Developments Inc.'s Latest Claims -- WHA Intends to Pursue Previously Announced Plans to File Legal Action Against GDVM Market Wire (Wed, Feb 21) http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/070221/0217639.html Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Empty...
Posted by emptycontents on :
NP
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Dipped back down. This would be a flippers dream if we had a market maker (dang greys).
Posted by Chart walker on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Dipped back down. This would be a flippers dream if we had a market maker (dang greys).
ahhhhh....
I remember those days well sigh ~~~~
Posted by SherriT on :
HEY! It's the missing Chart man! Posted by thecon00 on :
I went in heavy today with UVIH.ob. Looks to be great for a penny stock. Moving to AMEX by mid to end of March! Very strong consecutive earnings. They basically took over Florida home insurance after 04 hurricane season and have raked in the cash.
Anyone with some time tell me what you think. IMHO this is one of the most solid penny plays ive ever made. An easy double.
Repo, Cat, anyone one else w some time on their hands, I would love to hear your thoughts. Do your own dd and thanks in advance Con
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Chart, Where have you been? I thought someone might have kidnapped ya
Speaking of "missing" persons, where the hell is Tex? Is he still a mod. on here? Thank goodness we still have Glassman Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
FYI, there are two new page selections on the www.cshd.us website this evening..... "Annual Meeting Info" and "Proxy Data" These "buttons" were not there earlier today......Small things seem to be happening.....does anyone hear anything concrete about news coming???????????? GLTA
Posted by milliam on :
Hmmm...password protected on each page. I wonder who all has access. I assume it's just so Rufus can get it the way he wants it. Very interesting...I'm glad to see something might be happening.
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
I'm hoping that he will contact those on the NOBO list and give them passwords.
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Hmmm...password protected on each page. I wonder who all has access. I assume it's just so Rufus can get it the way he wants it. Very interesting...I'm glad to see something might be happening.
Rufus used to talk about this kind of stuff back in the day..LOL he use to mention it often...about shrareholders being able to check certain things...that others couldn't...
Posted by Igor R on :
Maybe things are actually coming to fruition.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
It is currently showing $1,955.2 BILLION in asset backed Securities.
No listing of officers at this time.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
The stuff looks "interesting" on the new CSHD website for sure. The Proxy portion of the site MIGHT be the answer to how he planned to get a proxy out to the shareholders.
Taxback are you around? Does this look like the real deal to you? Is it a true "secure" login site or some sort of hack job?
Thecon, ill try to take a look at that security tonight. I think i might have a bit of cash in my account after today so ill need someplace to put it anyway. Posted by Spooky on :
Well, I took a few months off and it looks like the story is about the same... Nobody knows what is going on.
How is everyone doing?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Jo, that rules!
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
Posted by Jo4321 on :
LOL, thought of this thread as soon as I saw it.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
NEWS OUT!
just kidding...Remeber the good old days?
And by the way I wasn't the one doing that all the time although I fell for it a few times. Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hilarious...CSHD was one of the stock that wasn't in the red today.
Thank God for CSHD !
Posted by 6digits on :
Anybody see any Georgia squirrel today?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: Anybody see any Georgia squirrel today?
i'm still huntin'
Posted by thesource on :
Shoot him in the nuts (not the ones in his mouth either) glassman .
Posted by glassman on :
if i can find him out in the open? no problem:
Posted by 6digits on :
Good pictures of a CEO. I wonder if this is at a meeting in Texas?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Could be RPH as he had to have big ones but someone may have cut them off by now!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: Good pictures of a CEO. I wonder if this is at a meeting in Texas?
I recognize the squirrel but is what is it doing to the back end of that sheep? Posted by Doniboy on :
Hello folks. How is everyone?
Posted by TimW on :
Doing great :-D
Yourself?
Posted by 6digits on :
Mysterious and unspeakle things. Secret riddle stuff.
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: Good pictures of a CEO. I wonder if this is at a meeting in Texas?
I recognize the squirrel but is what is it doing to the back end of that sheep?
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hi Stock Momma...Good Night Stock Momma......
Oh everyone....for the record...I called JA last week, left message, but no call back yet.....
Did you ever get a call back? Talk to St. Matt? Anything?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: Mysterious and unspeakle things. Secret riddle stuff.
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: Good pictures of a CEO. I wonder if this is at a meeting in Texas?
I recognize the squirrel but is what is it doing to the back end of that sheep?
Could that be considered working behind the scene? Good to know he is working FOR US!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hi Stock Momma...Good Night Stock Momma......
Oh everyone....for the record...I called JA last week, left message, but no call back yet.....
Did you ever get a call back? Talk to St. Matt? Anything?
10, The last time I saw Jenna post, She said she was leaving to catch a flight. That's if my memory is right Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Momma...that would explain why she isn't around... Hope you're doing well!
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Hi 10, like a ghost-town in here Posted by fhalyesss on :
Hi 10, like a ghost-town in here Posted by fhalyesss on :
is that an echo?
Posted by fhalyesss on :
echo echo echo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
It is!!!!It is!!!!!!!!!!!!It IS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Posted by mnvestor on :
NEWS CRAZY
LAKE DALLAS, Texas, Feb 28, 2007 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- John Arlitt has appointed the following Directors of the Board for Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation: Rufus Paul Harris, Ben Stanley, Sabra Dabbs and John Walsh.
Due to John Arlitt's untimely health condition, and to avoid possible litigation for the manner in which the vote to instate him as CEO was conducted; John Arlitt hereby resigns as CEO and Chairman of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation. Randy Moseley will remain as Chief Financial Officer pending Directors and Officer's Insurance.
About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at http://www.cvsu.us/.
Information provided in this press release may contain statements relating to current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based upon management's current estimates and projections of future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the date hereof, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.
SOURCE: Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
CONTACT: MPR Source, Inc.Veronica P. Thomison, 972-801-2555 x111info*mprsource.com
Copyright Business Wire 2007
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KEYWORD: United States
North America
Georgia
Texas
INDUSTRY KEYWORD: Professional Services
Banking
Consulting
Finance
SUBJECT CODE: Personnel
Posted by luvforever on :
What the???? LOL THIS IS JUST aww never mind~LOL
Posted by fhalyesss on :
GAME ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I was not going to post it cos i did not want to be talkin to my self in an empty room!!!! I am mental enough!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by mnvestor on :
Flat out crazy, well we've come full circle.....again
Posted by luvforever on :
Wish Jenna could see this now hope someone let's her know Posted by NEL on :
WTF??? Who's all still here on the shareholders side, I know all the CEO's and Board members are back. How about a BBQ anyone? Hey maybe another trip to Vegas?
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
How's it going mnvestor? Long time, no see. Posted by Jo4321 on :
So how many times is this we've switched CEO's?
BTW, way to screw up the margins with that picture.
Jo
Posted by Igor R on :
Looks like griff over at the other forum was dead on? I believe I remember reading that a pr was supposed to come out today.
Posted by luvforever on :
And another pr friday! wow lets see where this road takes us...~LOL Posted by fhalyesss on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: So how many times is this we've switched CEO's?
BTW, way to screw up the margins with that picture.
Jo
sorry JO, was trying to get some attention! Posted by thesource on :
Just another waste of time and PR space .
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Thank you for making it smaller!
Is anyone writing a book about this stock? I stopped really paying attention about 2 months ago(I try to ignore the few dollars left in my account), but man, it is crazy.
Jo
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Back on track... and full steam ahead!!!!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Gotta love the news... Especially since this pr went through John's MPR Source, and Don the TA at Integrity. Looks like the lawyers are in full finger pointing mode.
What the..........? What a weird PR If this is a real company then there will be something out soon in reasponse or expansion... I really don't care just show me the money! IMAnotwantingtobeapoorcollegestudentanymoredoggoneit
Posted by a surfer on :
LOL...I love it!!!
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
Come on Rufus! Let's fill all those promises that haven't been filled yet.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: LOL...I love it!!!
No doubt! this is a good step in the right direction.
Posted by mnvestor on :
quote:Originally posted by got2hvfaith: Come on Rufus! Let's fill all those promises that haven't been filled yet.
3rd time is a charm.....
Posted by 10of13 on :
HOLY CRAP! WE have just gone FULL circle... maybe that means our money will come back to... (nah doubt it!) oh and hi fhalyess...i did hear you echo!...
Posted by a surfer on :
They just needed a vacation...
we just had a substitute teacher for a few months....no biggie..
Posted by cassity on :
So, who's on second???
Posted by Jo4321 on :
What's wrong with John's health?
Posted by wallymac on :
So we get a PR but is there anything on Pacer?
Is there anything posted on Edgar?
I doubt it. Stop the musically chairs and do something.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: What's wrong with John's health?
Rufi-itis Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: What's wrong with John's health?
I originally heard pnemonia(sp)... but it recently has been speculated that he has been diagnosed with Lung Cancer. I honestly do not know and have trouble believeing this story.
Sounds like a good way to try and gain sympathy, especially if several hundred people may claim a class action against you.
In either case I wish him well, and I hope justice is served for all who are involved in any wrong doings or illegal activities with this stock. I am not saying or even implying that he has, I honestly do not know of anything yet.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tax Really? That is unfortunate...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: So we get a PR but is there anything on Pacer?
Is there anything posted on Edgar?
I doubt it. Stop the musically chairs and do something.
Wally
They have time for this... the interesting thing is Rufus's obvious control over the company web sites. Use of JA's hired PR company to post a release saying he is avoiding litigation. And knowing that Don the TA at Integrity had to have acceptance of this PR even though he has been adimant lately that JA is CEO because Mike's preferred shares were used to vote him in.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tax Really? That is unfortunate...
Yes it is unfortunate. That is the word on the street.
Posted by thesource on :
Guys / Gals ......... I have some very good news for ya'll .
I am going to be the next CEO of CSHD . I am bringing in Super Man (because it will save on time and money to deliver filings to the SEC and transport material to the new moon base we are building , remember he can fly really fast and is very strong) , Bat Man (he will come in handy to deal with the NSS in the future) , Wonder woman (CFO because shes good with money and easy on the eyes), The Riddler and The Joker as my BOD'er . You might ask why The Riddler and The Joker ? Well its pretty simple actually . According to my research most CSHD investors like riddles so The Riddler will be in charge of the IR dept . The Joker will be the fall guy when things do not go as planned .
Oh and I almost forgot , we have a 500 billionty bond with Iran to help fund them to build up their nuclear capabilities in the near future . The future is looking really bright and we will be very rich .
Godspeed to all .......... Posted by TaxBack04 on :
This is IMO very good news. I would think that Rufus would not be doing any of this without a status change in the company.
Rumor is the Default has been opened... only time will tell.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
OH yeah and the source is still here, so we still have our fans. Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: OH yeah and the source is still here, so we still have our fans.
No this means that CSHD is going to blow up in the near future . Remember , bashers only bash good stocks not bad ones .........
IMO we will be at $100.00 PPS easy once all the big money waiting to get in hears that Rufus is back in charge .
Posted by TimW on :
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: OH yeah and the source is still here, so we still have our fans.
No this means that CSHD is going to blow up in the near future . Remember , bashers only bash good stocks not bad ones .........
IMO we will be at $100.00 PPS easy once all the big money waiting to get in hears that Rufus is back in charge .
Exactly, all those big money shorts that couldn't buy back because of the lack of MM's will be raring to go when this puppy sets asside the default and relists. GLTU
Posted by thesource on :
Yeah I am sure all the MM's are scared to death of CSHD and its band of rightous do gooders looking to clean house and end the evil NSS boys .
Ok back to reality , about the only good opportunity with this news is maybe to flip the stock a few times on the short lived MOMO it might produce . Other than that , Rufus was , is and always will be full of crap .
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: Wish Jenna could see this now hope someone let's her know
I'm sure doc. will let her know. Doc. any comments on Jenna knowing or not?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well this is an interesting (yet oddly predictable) change of events.
Now maybe they can get back to work and finish what they started before that horrid October morning when the CSHD world stopped turning.
I wonder whats next.........
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Well this is an interesting (yet oddly predictable) change of events.
Now maybe they can get back to work and finish what they started before that horrid October morning when the CSHD world stopped turning.
I wonder whats next.........
The only thing of substance that can be next is the answering of the default. IMO, it's the only thing that matters. CSHD cannot go forward until this is done.
Wally
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: I wonder whats next.........
Its just a guess but I'd say more bull$hitting the investors of CSHD and still trading on the grey market until atleast July .
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: I wonder whats next.........
Its just a guess but I'd say more bull$hitting the investors of CSHD and still trading on the grey market until atleast July .
The inability to set aside pride in the face of obvious progress simply harms what is already a damaged reputation. I fully expect the sarcasm and negativity to continue until such point as the PPS provides an exit point for your position, at which time the negativity will more than likely continue because surely anyone that chooses to hold long doesn't see the falacy of their ways.
Choosing a position behind a wall of I-told-you-so is the ultimate form of cowardice and disrespect toward fellow investors.
I have chosen to avoid direct comments to this point but sometimes it is important to illuminate those who have more to gain from feeling superior to others than the monetary reason that should be compelling all of our investment decisions.
Good luck to everyone, come what may.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: I wonder whats next.........
Its just a guess but I'd say more bull$hitting the investors of CSHD and still trading on the grey market until atleast July .
July? So you think there's HOPE? LOL...
Jenna? St. Matt...you guys talk to JA...anything about this cancer stuff?
(yeah i know Jenna's on a plane...but maybe she will check from where ever she is at...)
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
As The Stomach Turns is still turning
I for one never thought tut was our ceo.
If he is sick,enough said.Cancer is a horrible disease.
I started with Rufus and I'll finish this out with him, one way or the other.
Or as Humble stated "come what may"
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: I wonder whats next.........
Its just a guess but I'd say more bull$hitting the investors of CSHD and still trading on the grey market until atleast July .
The inability to set aside pride in the face of obvious progress simply harms what is already a damaged reputation. I fully expect the sarcasm and negativity to continue until such point as the PPS provides an exit point for your position, at which time the negativity will more than likely continue because surely anyone that chooses to hold long doesn't see the falacy of their ways.
Choosing a position behind a wall of I-told-you-so is the ultimate form of cowardice and disrespect toward fellow investors.
I have chosen to avoid direct comments to this point but sometimes it is important to illuminate those who have more to gain from feeling superior to others than the monetary reason that should be compelling all of our investment decisions.
Good luck to everyone, come what may.
...In My humble Opinion
Well good for you .......
Its amazing how people come on here claiming to be investors and getting their feeling hurt about this stock . I am 99% sure that all the real investors have figured out this is a scam but are looking for a way to recoup their losses . The rest of the people are just hopeless and will continue to buy into this whole big fat lie . In my humble opinion .......... Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: I wonder whats next.........
Its just a guess but I'd say more bull$hitting the investors of CSHD and still trading on the grey market until atleast July .
The inability to set aside pride in the face of obvious progress simply harms what is already a damaged reputation. I fully expect the sarcasm and negativity to continue until such point as the PPS provides an exit point for your position, at which time the negativity will more than likely continue because surely anyone that chooses to hold long doesn't see the falacy of their ways.
Choosing a position behind a wall of I-told-you-so is the ultimate form of cowardice and disrespect toward fellow investors.
I have chosen to avoid direct comments to this point but sometimes it is important to illuminate those who have more to gain from feeling superior to others than the monetary reason that should be compelling all of our investment decisions.
Good luck to everyone, come what may.
...In My humble Opinion
Well good for you .......
Its amazing how people come on here claiming to be investors and getting their feeling hurt about this stock . I am 99% sure that all the real investors have figured out this is a scam but are looking for a way to recoup their losses . The rest of the people are just hopeless and will continue to buy into this whole big fat lie . In my humble opinion ..........
And you wonder why you get banned from some of the sites!
Posted by thesource on :
I've been banned from HSM ........
And I can't say I miss it .
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I've been banned from HSM ........
And I can't say I miss it .
Please help the rest of us understand why you are posting. Do you hold a position? What is the interest that moves you so passionately and diligently to stay involved with this company which you have, for many months now, declared to be a scam. You are dissemenating your opinion on mulitiple CSHD boards now, to what end?
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by thesource on :
You guys need to wake up and realize that this is penny land and we aren't even a pink sheet . The MM's are king if and when we ever get back on a regular pink board and there is nothing anyone here is going to do about it .
This stock has lost what ever little credit it had and no real investors or big money is going to take a second look at it . Our money is gone . It does not really matter if Rufus , John or King Kong is the CEO . A make shift website that looks like it was made from a freebie template does amount to anything either . This company has produced exactly ZERO dollars in profits and produced even less than that in proof that it even owns anything .
Lets take a look at where we are at right now :
No CEO
A fluff PR after hours from a guy no one has heard from in weeks
No offices for CSHD and a phone number no one answers or returns calls .
No bonds or atleast no proof of bonds
Not listed on any real market
Our stock value is worth .15 on a good day
No 6 for 1 deal as of yet
Still in default with the SEC
No JV's on the table
FBI is investigating the company
And you guys are happy about this ??? I am the one being negative ??? I am hurting your feelings ???
If you want to be pissed , be pissed that you are still in this and not trying to buy other stocks to offset your 95% losses .
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: You guys need to wake up and realize that this is penny land and we aren't even a pink sheet . The MM's are king if and when we ever get back on a regular pink board and there is nothing anyone here is going to do about it .
This stock has lost what ever little credit it had and no real investors or big money is going to take a second look at it . Our money is gone . It does not really matter if Rufus , John or King Kong is the CEO . A make shift website that looks like it was made from a freebie template does amount to anything either . This company has produced exactly ZERO dollars in profits and produced even less than that in proof that it even owns anything .
Lets take a look at where we are at right now :
No CEO
A fluff PR after hours from a guy no one has heard from in weeks
No offices for CSHD and a phone number no one answers or returns calls .
No bonds or atleast no proof of bonds
Not listed on any real market
Our stock value is worth .15 on a good day
No 6 for 1 deal as of yet
Still in default with the SEC
No JV's on the table
FBI is investigating the company
And you guys are happy about this ??? I am the one being negative ??? I am hurting your feelings ???
If you want to be pissed , be pissed that you are still in this and not trying to buy other stocks to offset your 95% losses .
You obviously have strong feelings toward this company. I will bump the following questions to you in an effort to understand your contribution:
Please help the rest of us understand why you are posting. Do you hold a position? What is the interest that moves you so passionately and diligently to stay involved with this company which you have, for many months now, declared to be a scam. You are dissemenating your opinion on mulitiple CSHD boards now, to what end?
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I've been banned from HSM ........
And I can't say I miss it .
Please help the rest of us understand why you are posting. Do you hold a position? What is the interest that moves you so passionately and diligently to stay involved with this company which you have, for many months now, declared to be a scam. You are dissemenating your opinion on mulitiple CSHD boards now, to what end?
...In My humble Opinion
Humble could you please enlighten me on exactly how many different stocks you hold right now ? I am just wondering because I have not seen you on any other threads but yet you seem to be such a seasoned investor .
Posted by thesource on :
Humble ???
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hey Source, Just checked out another site. Man, you are NOT liked there either. Wonder why that is? HMMMMM
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I've been banned from HSM ........
And I can't say I miss it .
Please help the rest of us understand why you are posting. Do you hold a position? What is the interest that moves you so passionately and diligently to stay involved with this company which you have, for many months now, declared to be a scam. You are dissemenating your opinion on mulitiple CSHD boards now, to what end?
...In My humble Opinion
Humble could you please enlighten me on exactly how many different stocks you hold right now ? I am just wondering because I have not seen you on any other threads but yet you seem to be such a seasoned investor .
Please do not devolve the discussion into a comparison of portfolio returns. This thread is about CSHD. I simply wish to understand a little more about what is supporting your opinion. Was tonight's news not at all a sign of progress in your eyes?
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Good idea Humble, if we don't respond , maybe he'll go away. Night source
Posted by thesource on :
Because I am calling it the way it is . Come to think of it Ocqueoc , I haven't seen you on any other threads either . Wonder why that is ?
Posted by thesource on :
Thats what I figured Humble , you fit the profile of probably 90% of the people involved with CSHD . The other 10% of us just got caught in the net with you .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I've been banned from HSM ........
And I can't say I miss it .
Please help the rest of us understand why you are posting. Do you hold a position? What is the interest that moves you so passionately and diligently to stay involved with this company which you have, for many months now, declared to be a scam. You are dissemenating your opinion on mulitiple CSHD boards now, to what end?
...In My humble Opinion
Humble could you please enlighten me on exactly how many different stocks you hold right now ? I am just wondering because I have not seen you on any other threads but yet you seem to be such a seasoned investor .
Please do not devolve the discussion into a comparison of portfolio returns. This thread is about CSHD. I simply wish to understand a little more about what is supporting your opinion. Was tonight's news not at all a sign of progress in your eyes?
...In My humble Opinion
Humble , maybe you should look up the word progress . Last time I checked this company has made zero progress . Its more like 1 step foward and 10 steps back .
This latest twist is just another wag the dog technique .
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: You guys need to wake up and realize that this is penny land and we aren't even a pink sheet . The MM's are king if and when we ever get back on a regular pink board and there is nothing anyone here is going to do about it .
This stock has lost what ever little credit it had and no real investors or big money is going to take a second look at it . Our money is gone . It does not really matter if Rufus , John or King Kong is the CEO . A make shift website that looks like it was made from a freebie template does amount to anything either . This company has produced exactly ZERO dollars in profits and produced even less than that in proof that it even owns anything .
Lets take a look at where we are at right now :
No CEO
A fluff PR after hours from a guy no one has heard from in weeks
No offices for CSHD and a phone number no one answers or returns calls .
No bonds or atleast no proof of bonds
Not listed on any real market
Our stock value is worth .15 on a good day
No 6 for 1 deal as of yet
Still in default with the SEC
No JV's on the table
FBI is investigating the company
And you guys are happy about this ??? I am the one being negative ??? I am hurting your feelings ???
If you want to be pissed , be pissed that you are still in this and not trying to buy other stocks to offset your 95% losses .
I guess you haven't bothered to read any of the posts that don't pertain to you personally.
The vast majority here are not naive nor unsophistcated. We have stated over and over the poor state of things and the fact that most of us have accepted the loss. that doesn't mean that we aren't interested in whatever the outcome may turn out to be. Heck we paid for our ticket and get to finish watching the show.
I have never had my feelings hurt bu anyone posting negatively here but I do take offense to people like you who post and ASSume you know more about my or other's personal investments or investment stragedy than we do.
Personally, not only don't I need your advice I don't appreciate your condenscending attitude. You've made it clear that your emotions rule you and the loss you took has made you bitter. No one here is responsible for your choices.
Wally
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Thats what I figured Humble , you fit the profile of probably 90% of the people involved with CSHD . The other 10% of us just got caught in the net with you .
In an effort to discredit others you are missing a prime opportunity to increase your own credibility, thereby having a better chance of influencing others to understand how bad an investment CSHD is.
My primary goal in taking the time to interact with others on this board is to attempt to keep an eye on the facts and not let mood or emotion rule the conversation. Many times I have seen posts like yours referring to this company as a scam, a washout with no hope of recovery. All the while no official ruling has ever been handed down against the company and no one has been hauled off for fraud.
I understand how the tribulations with Conversion Solutions have been a true test of patience but to continually post a river of negativity as fact is borderline compulsive.
Again I ask, what is your reason for following this company after it clearly and definitively failed you so many months ago?
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by thesource on :
I'm not smarter than anyone else on this board . I was conned like the rest of you . The difference is , I can admit it . Rufus played on our greed and in the end our greed is what lead us where we are today . The smart investors have been gone long before this even halted trading . To be honest , I am jealous of them and wish I could come on here bragging about all the cash I made with CSHD , instead of taking a 95% loss on this piece of crap .
Games over , CSHD is a scam .
Posted by thesource on :
Humble , could you please point out the facts for me ? Because where I am standing , the only fact is we have lost all of our money and the people responsible will probably get off scott free .
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Humble , could you please point out the facts for me ? Because where I am standing , the only fact is we have lost all of our money and the people responsible will probably get off scott free .
The decrease in PPS IS the only fact that can be verified to this point and I am glad to discuss it with you.
No one in there right mind would deny the fact that selling at $4 would have been a great play. However, most did not and are therefore sitting on a less-than-optimal return or a loss to some extent (and some to a great extent).
Everyone who is aggressive in the market will have a dog in their wallet at some point. The big decision is whether to sell or hold for a turnaround. Both are valid strategies based on very personal circumstances. No one can tell another how to handle a investment that is in the hole. It stinks, period; and the decision to sell or hold is a tough one.
Your posts indicate that you have made your choice to move on and for that I wish you luck in rebuilding. But for everyone who has made the choice to hold for a chance at redemption, you really seem to be trying very hard to soothe your own conscience by trying to get others to follow your lead.
The game is still afoot and the outcome is yet to be officially determined. That means that the folks still holding stand a chance at something positive from a seemingly negative situation. I wish good luck to them as well.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by sandor butosi on :
the question i have is should we buy this stock for a dime. Or is that chasing good money after bad!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Wally or Humble?
I have a question.I never believed tut was the legal ceo but,
IF tut was never the legal ceo? Why is he sending out a PR resigning?
IF he's not the legal ceo? How can he appoint a B.O.D? { I don't think he can imo}
I think I'll wait and read pacer And hear the words from the horse's mouth Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Wally or Humble?
I have a question.I never believed tut was the legal ceo but,
IF tut was never the legal ceo? Why is he sending out a PR resigning?
IF he's not the legal ceo? How can he appoint a B.O.D? { I don't think he can imo}
I think I'll wait and read pacer And hear the words from the horse's mouth
All I know is that no one knows what is true right now. As, you said, watch for a ruling... nothing else matters.
I spoke to a woman at Integrity Stock today; they are not commenting on the O/S or any other issues with this company right now. They are utterly stuck in the middle of this and do not know who to believe. If there are dirty hands at that office, they are sweating as of late.
Edited: Forgot to mention that they issued the certs I requested back to the DTCC in a very short amount of time. Obviously they believe the sheets at the DTCC have not been overextended. I wonder how many certs are in the DTCC vault relative to the true O/S? We will probably never know.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Thanks Humble,
Good night to all and to all a good night
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Wally or Humble?
I have a question.I never believed tut was the legal ceo but,
IF tut was never the legal ceo? Why is he sending out a PR resigning?
IF he's not the legal ceo? How can he appoint a B.O.D? { I don't think he can imo}
I think I'll wait and read pacer And hear the words from the horse's mouth
First off there are a few things that don't add up. Why is the PR based from Lake Dallas when we had a PR stating that the move to Lake Dallas was not taking place? If TUT is ill and in the Hospital how is he putting out a PR? Isn't it a little suspcious that John "Tut" Arlitt was susposed to have great news about funding and a JV but not only ends up in the Hospital on his return but steps down and returns the company to Rufus. IMO, it was a concession speech and nothing more.
If he is ill, I hope he gets better.
Wally
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Wally or Humble?
I have a question.I never believed tut was the legal ceo but,
IF tut was never the legal ceo? Why is he sending out a PR resigning?
IF he's not the legal ceo? How can he appoint a B.O.D? { I don't think he can imo}
I think I'll wait and read pacer And hear the words from the horse's mouth
First off there are a few things that don't add up. Why is the PR based from Lake Dallas when we had a PR stating that the move to Lake Dallas was not taking place? If TUT is ill and in the Hospital how is he putting out a PR? Isn't it a little suspcious that John "Tut" Arlitt was susposed to have great news about funding and a JV but not only ends up in the Hospital on his return but steps down and returns the company to Rufus. IMO, it was a concession speech and nothing more.
If he is ill, I hope he gets better.
Wally
The whole corporate take over was an "oversight". HAHAHA!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Wally or Humble?
I have a question.I never believed tut was the legal ceo but,
IF tut was never the legal ceo? Why is he sending out a PR resigning?
IF he's not the legal ceo? How can he appoint a B.O.D? { I don't think he can imo}
I think I'll wait and read pacer And hear the words from the horse's mouth
First off there are a few things that don't add up. Why is the PR based from Lake Dallas when we had a PR stating that the move to Lake Dallas was not taking place? If TUT is ill and in the Hospital how is he putting out a PR? Isn't it a little suspcious that John "Tut" Arlitt was susposed to have great news about funding and a JV but not only ends up in the Hospital on his return but steps down and returns the company to Rufus. IMO, it was a concession speech and nothing more.
If he is ill, I hope he gets better.
Wally
The whole corporate take over was an "oversight". HAHAHA!!!
Now that's funny.
Posted by 10of13 on :
OK..pups needed to eat...so now I am up...A couple of questions... 1) Wally why are you still up? 2) If JA did in fact go over seas to get some funding? AND he succeeded as we were lead to think..why is it he is unable to bring that funding to the tables at this time? Why was it not PR'd? Does that long awaited funding leave with Tut? 3) How many days do they have to "file" this PR? 3? or 4? 4)Is this just some sort of set up to get the whole damn company back to the original responsible parties so that it can be completely shut down and forgotten? 5) Alana Black now has a message to contact some Bill guy? Does anyone know who he is with? The FBI?
And lastly...will Pigs Fly?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
10 I know that pig has wings, but he looks like he's doing something completely different than flying
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Today will be a fun day...Let the digging for news begin. Or, well, it probably already has!
To the moon.
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: 10 I know that pig has wings, but he looks like he's doing something completely different than flying
Ok..you're right...it does...LOL Hey how's that website going? Did anyone notice the link under Ryan's name...some nice stuff...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Thanks for the plug . I'm doing a total overhaul it should be done this week. I'm hoping by sometime today. So if anyone does go to the website I think all the links on the home page aren't working right now,but it'll be well worth the down time for the new site. Now back to as the world turns.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
So how about a poll who really in all honestly think this still has some life in it.
I'm undecided but I can't help thinking why would all the major players be coming back to the company if it's dead. They would have to want to be locked up IMO if all the allegations against the co. are true.
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey, guys ....I just got back from Vegas.....been gone for 4 days....I'm going to see what I missed....going to go back & read up....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ryan, i believe there is still life in this. Im a little confused why Sabra was included in the PR but im guessing it will be explained eventually.
Maybe its just a game of hot potato and Tuttles just tossed the tater back to Rufus and gang
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Good point on why the old folks would want to come back. I'd have to say they must truly think they have something and can get things going.
Why else??
Is it possible that when they left (if they left) they shares are restricted so they found out they could not sell and even if they could it wasn't worth it...and to may there restricted shares worth more in the future it would better suit them to return and do everything they could to make the company grow!
Just some thoughts.
Posted by Chart walker on :
I'm floored....
Wow...
Now the whole gang is back.... wth
6 for 1 and we are BACK IN BUSINESS peeps!!
GL everyone! Who knows in 5 years maybe we'll see the vision we saw way back when eh???.....
This was/IS nuts!
--and I LOVE IT!! ha ~ Posted by RyanPBF on :
As far as I can tell. None of these people had any obligation to come back and assume leadership roles in the CO. Is that a correct assumption. Maybe because I have a rational thought pattern at least part of the time. If I was removed from my position and knew that the Co. was in deep doo doo. I wouldn't be going back to the Co. to run anything. Again that is the thought of a sometimes rational thinker. I believe we have yet to prove that anyone involved in this Co. is rational Posted by Chart walker on :
Never thought I'd say this, but looks like we may have to throw this back on the radar!
Heck, if the SEC didn't shut it down can't be all bogus... -my 2 cents Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: As far as I can tell. None of these people had any obligation to come back and assume leadership roles in the CO. Is that a correct assumption. Maybe because I have a rational thought pattern at least part of the time. If I was removed from my position and knew that the Co. was in deep doo doo. I wouldn't be going back to the Co. to run anything. Again that is the thought of a sometimes rational thinker. I believe we have yet to prove that anyone involved in this Co. is rational
Yea, but until i see a filing i will stick to my hot potato theory. If Arlitt released that PR so he could bail, it could entirely be possible that the people listed as the officers in the PR never saw it coming. Its a reach but nothing surprises me here anymore.
A filing will clear this up for me.
Posted by Jenna on :
Ok- read it....not to surprised....because of something John said the last time I talked with him.....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ok- read it....not to surprised....because of something John said the last time I talked with him.....
Hmmmmmm Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: As far as I can tell. None of these people had any obligation to come back and assume leadership roles in the CO. Is that a correct assumption. Maybe because I have a rational thought pattern at least part of the time. If I was removed from my position and knew that the Co. was in deep doo doo. I wouldn't be going back to the Co. to run anything. Again that is the thought of a sometimes rational thinker. I believe we have yet to prove that anyone involved in this Co. is rational
Yea, but until i see a filing i will stick to my hot potato theory. If Arlitt released that PR so he could bail, it could entirely be possible that the people listed as the officers in the PR never saw it coming. Its a reach but nothing surprises me here anymore.
A filing will clear this up for me.
Agreed a filing will make it concrete. This goes back to last week though when surfer posted that he spoke to Ben and was told that Rufus was at the helm.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ok- read it....not to surprised....because of something John said the last time I talked with him.....
Come on spill your guts....nothing to hide anymore.
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Hey Chart You still holding some of this?
Hey Jenna Do you know if John really is ill? If he is can you pass on our best wishes, after all life is more precious than money!
Posted by Chart walker on :
Fhalyess, long time!!
Yep, still have some in the retirement account!
And if we do indeed get 6 for 1 someday we are back in the saddle, had a BOATLOAD!!!
GL to everyone!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ok- read it....not to surprised....because of something John said the last time I talked with him.....
Hmmmmmm
Hey buddy!!!
He told me & I believe Matt (not sure) - & (I didn't want people to panic)....he was saying that he may step down....OR... he may be removed "after everything" is taken care of because he was the one "wearing" the target....& once it's taken care of he thought he would have to step down......
so do you think this was planned or what????????.......& do you think that means this is "taken care of".....
....and I do believe that the funding that was attained will not be valid now....or it will be put on hold....but do not count on it....
...I have not talked with John since moments before he got on the plane....I do know that he recently had a death in the family & obviously was "down".....I hope that he is ok & does not have Lung CA. My prayers are with him.....that would explain him not being available & also would explain why he did not call back....
Usually, as soon as they confirm cancer, they treat the person immediately.....meaning surgey followed by chemo, but I hope it's just pneumonia....God Bless you John & I hope you are ok.....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ok- read it....not to surprised....because of something John said the last time I talked with him.....
Come on spill your guts....nothing to hide anymore.
How come you never spill yours? Posted by Jenna on :
HI CHART!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ok- read it....not to surprised....because of something John said the last time I talked with him.....
Come on spill your guts....nothing to hide anymore.
How come you never spill yours?
I have nothing to spill! Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Jenna, youve got mail.
And your PM box is full. I hope you enjoyed yourself in sunny Vegas!
Posted by Jenna on :
I will clear out my mailbox now....thanks...
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Well if Rufus is back...Interesting.
If all the earlier players are back (suddenly), where were they before?
Can someone check the file 4 with the SEC to see if any of them sold their holding when they left voluntarily, got fired, dissapeared a few months ago?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ok- read it....not to surprised....because of something John said the last time I talked with him.....
Hmmmmmm
Hey buddy!!!
He told me & I believe Matt (not sure) - & (I didn't want people to panic)....he was saying that he may step down....OR... he may be removed "after everything" is taken care of because he was the one "wearing" the target....& once it's taken care of he thought he would have to step down......
so do you think this was planned or what????????.......& do you think that means this is "taken care of".....
....and I do believe that the funding that was attained will not be valid now....or it will be put on hold....but do not count on it....
...I have not talked with John since moments before he got on the plane....I do know that he recently had a death in the family & obviously was "down".....I hope that he is ok & does not have Lung CA. My prayers are with him.....that would explain him not being available & also would explain why he did not call back....
Usually, as soon as they confirm cancer, they treat the person immediately.....meaning surgey followed by chemo, but I hope it's just pneumonia....God Bless you John & I hope you are ok.....
Interesting...
Posted by Chart walker on :
Hi Jenna Posted by new2stocks on :
Hi Chart!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Well if Rufus is back...Interesting.
If all the earlier players are back (suddenly), where were they before?
Can someone check the file 4 with the SEC to see if any of them sold their holding when they left voluntarily, got fired, dissapeared a few months ago?
As I said last night IMO, if tut was not the legal ceo? How can he appoint anyone, so I'll believe they are all back when pacer says so. Do you agree?
Posted by Chart walker on :
Hey new2 ~
Wow the gangs all here. Well... REPO would have to drop by with a oneliner for "all" the gang to be here lol Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Morning Chart, Good to see you posting here once more.
Posted by Chart walker on :
Bucky!
Seeing any of this storm down by you yet?.. All schools shut down here today.
CSHD up a cent today ~
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: Hey new2 ~
Wow the gangs all here. Well... REPO would have to drop by with a oneliner for "all" the gang to be here lol
SSHHHH don't say that out loud, he might hear you! Posted by 6digits on :
Now we need to get back on track to give us our 6:1 distrn of shares. Some of the most expensive stock on the market.IMO.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Repo is banned, I'll fill in.
Can the mods move this thread to another board? This stock is not a "hot stock".
Here's what I think of anyone still in this:
Posted by a surfer on :
Good morning all!
Still learning......
I am keeping an eye on PACER once a day so if something comes up I will see it.
Keep the faith!
Posted by PCola77 on :
LMAO, I just found this picture to post to Repo next time he pissed you off:
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Well if Rufus is back...Interesting.
If all the earlier players are back (suddenly), where were they before?
Can someone check the file 4 with the SEC to see if any of them sold their holding when they left voluntarily, got fired, dissapeared a few months ago?
As I said last night IMO, if tut was not the legal ceo? How can he appoint anyone, so I'll believe they are all back when pacer says so. Do you agree?
That is very true. Has anyone heard from Rufus, Ben or Sabra? I mean has there been any confirmation from them? Since rufus has maintained that he was the CEO the whole time, I really can't see him acknowledging JA's authority to appoint anyone.
Mike removes Rufus only to bring him back. JA appointed by decree of SHC and Rufus ousted only to give the ball back to Rufus.
What happened to all the rumors that James G was spreading. Not just the funding and JV from Germany but the FBI was supposed to arrest Rufus.
All I can say is this some crazy chit. If I had written this as a novel or screenplay they would have laughed be out there saying it was too unrealistic. What's that saying? Life is stranger than fiction. or something to that effect.
Wally
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Repo is banned, I'll fill in.
Can the mods move this thread to another board? This stock is not a "hot stock".
Here's what I think of anyone still in this:
repo banned?....it's about time!! LMAO!!
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Chart, Just sporadic rain and gusty winds......possibly heavier later today with t-storms and chance of twisters....hoping it stays further south of here or better yet see it disipate...I would not want anyone being hurt by the bad weather.....One thing for sure is that March is coming in like the proverbial "lion"..... . .To all Does anyone have any info about last nights PR not being authentic?....I have yet to see the PR posted on the OTC Bulliten Board website? I'm just seeing it written about here on the message boards.
GLTA
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Ahh it feels like a family reunion in here today Posted by new2stocks on :
Repo's not banned just taken sometime to get new material. lol
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Thanks New2
Posted by 10of13 on :
Bucky? It "costs" money to "put out PR's" and depending on what you pay for? Depends on where the news will show up..different services...FWIW the news did not come across for choicetrade, I haven't checked any where else besides the link that New2 just posted...
Good to see so many back...wish it meant that there was a "real change"...
With this PR (everyone origianl being back in place) and the comment of CSHD NOT being able to use what ever it was that JA went and "got" from over seas...gotta wonder if anyone was ever voted or replaced in the first place...perhaps all these changes of CEO's were done incorrectly from day one...MA to RPH to JA and back...all done incorrectly....Anyone want to make a bet that there will soon be a "new change" done the legal/normal way?
Posted by 6digits on :
At least now we appear to have an admission by both sides as to who is supposed to be the CEO etc,. Maybe RPH will go on SPR for some talk and say something worthwhile.
Posted by Jenna on :
So who will it be???? maybe Sabra?
Posted by Chart walker on :
MORE NEWS!!!!! ===========================
COMPANY NEWS AND PRESS RELEASES FROM OTHER SOURCES:
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. Names New CEO to the Board
LAKE DALLAS, Texas, Feb 28, 2007 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Mr. Chartwalker from Allstocks,... has been appointed CEO of the Board for Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation: Rufus Paul Harris, Ben Stanley, Sabra Dabbs and John Walsh all voted Mr. Chartwalker in after Mr. Chartwalker promised Positive MACD crossovers for the companies stock late last night in Las Vagas and also explained that the "6 for 1" actually referred to "drink specials" and had nothing to do with stock.
I couldn't help myself! Forgive me!! LOL ~~ "Well EVERYONE has been CEO, It was my turn!" Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: At least now we appear to have an admission by both sides as to who is supposed to be the CEO etc,. Maybe RPH will go on SPR for some talk and say something worthwhile.
The PR didn't name anyone CEO that I read.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: MORE NEWS!!!!! ===========================
COMPANY NEWS AND PRESS RELEASES FROM OTHER SOURCES:
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. Names New CEO to the Board
LAKE DALLAS, Texas, Feb 28, 2007 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Mr. Chartwalker from Allstocks,... has been appointed CEO of the Board for Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation: Rufus Paul Harris, Ben Stanley, Sabra Dabbs and John Walsh all voted Mr. Chartwalker in after Mr. Chartwalker promised Positive MACD crossovers for the companies stock late last night in Las Vagas and also explained that the "6 for 1" actually referred to "drink specials" and had nothing to do with stock.
I couldn't help myself! Forgive me!! LOL ~~ "Well EVERYONE has been CEO, It was my turn!"
Too funny Chart!!
Posted by wallymac on :
"Anyone want to make a bet that there will soon be a "new change" done the legal/normal way
10, you are kidding right. NORMAL, LEGAL and CSHD just don't belong on the same page much less the same sentence.
Posted by 10of13 on :
C'Mon Wally...just this once? LOL
Good one Chart!
Posted by Jenna on :
Chart- that is THE POST OF THE DAY!!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
Chart made a funny......LOL
Posted by 6digits on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: At least now we appear to have an admission by both sides as to who is supposed to be the CEO etc,. Maybe RPH will go on SPR for some talk and say something worthwhile.
Thats true, but i'm going by what RPH claims his position is anyway. As far as he is concerned he never was not the CEO. Posted by 6digits on :
Whoever is in charge I hope they make us some dependable money one of these days.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Other than Rufus being a little quirky at times I really didn't mind him so if he is back and can get our ship righted more Booya's to him.
Buy the crap out of it. Where's my Kool Aid?
Posted by Jenna on :
Well, It would be great if some really good - bomb-dropping news was released just after close on Friday.....then Monday (March 5th) when the new platform begins, we see a squeeze, perhaps a bit of wishful thinking huh?
Posted by Hitman on :
Man..... Wish some would change this thread name... gETS A LITTLE BIT TIRESOME SEEING IT SO MUCH .;K;;;MJ 0,./ N
Posted by RyanPBF on :
probably Jenna. Although it seems funny how this is all happening in perfect time for something like that to happen
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: Hey new2 ~
Wow the gangs all here. Well... REPO would have to drop by with a oneliner for "all" the gang to be here lol
Guess I've been gone toooo long.....
I've been forgotten, Pushed aside.....tossed away....and worse of all... Repo is still in Walkers thoughts...
Whats up Gang!!!!!! Posted by RyanPBF on :
Rat's back not it really is a reunion.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Volume is taking off...Sure beats the 270,000 per day average from the last 10 days.
Posted by 6digits on :
The main subject on SPR right now is our latest PR. Archive from last night.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Rat's back not it really is a reunion.
I don't know if I would call this a reunion or another atempt at Mass Suicide!!!
How ya doin Ryan!!
Posted by Chart walker on :
Rat man!!!!
Here's a glass of kool-aid on me! Posted by RyanPBF on :
not bad rat and your self. Has anyone seen that haleybot comet Posted by 10of13 on :
maumee? Welcome home!!! Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hmmm, is it just me or did we have over 400k in volume and now its under 400k?!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Hmmm, is it just me or did we have over 400k in volume and now its under 400k?!
Maybe they are starting to subtract the phantom shares. J/K
Hey, Rat good to see you.
Wally Posted by fhalyesss on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Hmmm, is it just me or did we have over 400k in volume and now its under 400k?!
That has been happening all week, i have a feelin something major is going on. I have never seen volume getting removed constantly over a period of days on any other stock, anyone else? Posted by PCola77 on :
I've seen it fairly regularly on HVLN, another grey sheet stock.
usually the one removed is for the exact same amount as one that stayed up.
My completely uneducated guess is that the greys are all f***ed up (okay, that parts not a guess) and that when they execute a trade sometimes the broker on both ends enters the trade. One of them needs to be cancelled so as not to double the actual volume.
like I said, just a guess on my part.
Posted by trade04 on :
OMG NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by frank021474 on :
Howdy everyone! Chart- good to see you back around slummin it in our long term stable stock
Interesting turn of events.....
Posted by fhalyesss on :
St Matthew says hello to everyone and will see them later Posted by Chart walker on :
Frankster, howdy!
St. Matt too ~
Waiting to see what comes to light next... -and with CSHD there is ALWAYS something coming! Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Hmmm, is it just me or did we have over 400k in volume and now its under 400k?!
Maybe they are starting to subtract the phantom shares. J/K
Hey, Rat good to see you.
Wally
That would make sense with the gray sheets. At first I though maybe it had something to do with dual listings...the gray sheet and a real MM.
Posted by SherriT on :
HEY STRANGERS!!!! Posted by Jo4321 on :
Where ya' been Rat, Taco Bell?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
We're getting the band back together! Both CSHD and the Allstocks Family.
We're on a mission from Rufus...uh, I mean GOD!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: HEY STRANGERS!!!!
Hiya!! The familiar names just keep pouring in! Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Where ya' been Rat, Taco Bell?
LOL...
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: HEY STRANGERS!!!!
Hiya!! The familiar names just keep pouring in!
Something to talk about finally, I guess Posted by NEL on :
Hello gang, I'm still here too and still haven't told hubby any of this. I gasped at the news and he asked "What?" and I said "Oh, nothing, just a joke someone posted." (We sit next to each other in our office.)
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL: Hello gang, I'm still here too and still haven't told hubby any of this. I gasped at the news and he asked "What?" and I said "Oh, nothing, just a joke someone posted." (We sit next to each other in our office.)
Oh that should be an interesting conversation to say the least .
Posted by 10of13 on :
When did they add the visitor count on the CVSU.us site? and what is this re-insurance stuff? Kinda curious wow he put information as to the different types of exchanges...
Posted by 10of13 on :
I thought about the PM's and phone calls that have gone on in this stock...
Posted by dollar13 on :
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PPS(CSHD) RISING JUST LIKE THE PAGES ON THIS THREAD......
LOL
Posted by Jenna on :
I just wanted to bump this....I found this on Friday - I thought it was weird because of who was listed as officers....ironically now it makes sense....
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: OK - 1 more thing weird...look at the officers of our company under JA....
Still here folks. Any change now has to be for the better. If Rufas wants to take the wheel again I am all for it. I miss all of the excitement we use to have.
Posted by 6digits on :
quote:Originally posted by Goodones: Still here folks. Any change now has to be for the better. If Rufas wants to take the wheel again I am all for it. I miss all of the excitement we use to have.
I do too. The most exciting part was the PPS and anticipation of what it was going to be.
Simon on SPR or somebody has to ask Rufus where all the people are that he said he knows. Remember when he said that?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits:
quote:Originally posted by Goodones: Still here folks. Any change now has to be for the better. If Rufas wants to take the wheel again I am all for it. I miss all of the excitement we use to have.
I do too. The most exciting part was the PPS and anticipation of what it was going to be.
Simon on SPR or somebody has to ask Rufus where all the people are that he said he knows. Remember when he said that?
Yes 6digits I remember.
This might be another reason the SEC hasn't shut this down.
Its who you know!!
Posted by thesource on :
Buy the crap out of it !!!!!
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Buy the crap out of it !!!!!
I already own the crap (out of it)!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Buy the crap out of it !!!!!
I already own the crap (out of it)!
Posted by dollar13 on :
LOL
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
IMO, I always thought Gee shouldn't have been posting alot of what I would consider "insider info"
You all , know how he bashed Rufus and adored tut? Told us all about tut's trip and there was GOOD news tut had from that trip,blah blah
Well alledged talk is all over two other boards that Gee was in PT.
If this is true, the thing that stands out in my mind the most {other then, he's for Rufus, tut no more} He says he's been working with "them" for 2 weeks now, but turned right around and said he just found out Tuesday , that tut had NO DEAL.
Again , this may or may not be true. If it is , all I can say is Huh? This back and forth stuff is getting old.
And, if it's true, IMO, he's blabbing stuff , that should not be talked about.
Posted by 3403 on :
Even if everything turns out as originally planned (and it won't), these clowns ought to go to jail for all the pain and suffering they have caused.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 3403: Even if everything turns out as originally planned (and it won't), these clowns ought to go to jail for all the pain and suffering they have caused.
I'd settle for a good old fashion flogging myself . Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by 3403: Even if everything turns out as originally planned (and it won't), these clowns ought to go to jail for all the pain and suffering they have caused.
I'd settle for a good old fashion flogging myself .
as long as you get to give it, right? Posted by thesource on :
I'd settle for watching .......
Posted by bilgert on :
Found an artist's rendition of Rufus on trial.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Buy the crap out of it !!!!!
I already own the crap (out of it)!
OK...Who has the most crap? Posted by RyanPBF on :
20k that's enough crap for me.
Posted by NEL on :
[/qb][/QUOTE]OK...Who has the most crap? [/QB][/QUOTE]
I hope our answers aren't too embarrassing...
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I only have 10K.
Posted by NEL on :
11,900 for me
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Rufus added a short letter to the shareholders on the cvsu.us site.
Sorry if this is old news.I hadn't seen it before.
Posted by PCola77 on :
I have 20,001... Okay, just kidding.
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: 20k that's enough crap for me.
We have seen irregular trading, halt trading, accusations of Fraud, accusations of a Pump and Dump, an attempted takeover by a shareholder committee and thousands of negative post on investment oriented web sites.
All I have to say about the above is Congratulations, because the only reason the corporation survived is the shareholders, my hat’s tipped to you.
Now, lets get things moving again, We are going to be updating the public information over the next few days for CSHD via trading venues.
When the trading venues information has been updated we will start the process of returning to NASDAQ, Please take a chill pill and bare with the system and the required time frames.
We have prepared a package for the Annual Shareholders Meeting and upon the necessary correction to CSHD status, we will release the date.
This beast has bucked, kicked, cussed and snarled all the way to the slaughter house. The smoker is lit and I for one, am hungry.
We can achieve our goals.
GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris
Posted by 6digits on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Rufus added a short letter to the shareholders on the cvsu.us site.
Sorry if this is old news.I hadn't seen it before.
Thanks, it was new to me. He forgot to mention seeming to have been bull****ted on to the list.
Posted by new2stocks on :
From Rufus board
Dear Fellow Shareholders;
We have seen irregular trading, halt trading, accusations of Fraud, accusations of a Pump and Dump, an attempted takeover by a shareholder committee and thousands of negative post on investment oriented web sites.
All I have to say about the above is Congratulations, because the only reason the corporation survived is the shareholders, my hat’s tipped to you.
Now, lets get things moving again, We are going to be updating the public information over the next few days for CSHD via trading venues.
When the trading venues information has been updated we will start the process of returning to NASDAQ, Please take a chill pill and bare with the system and the required time frames.
We have prepared a package for the Annual Shareholders Meeting and upon the necessary correction to CSHD status, we will release the date.
This beast has bucked, kicked, cussed and snarled all the way to the slaughter house. The smoker is lit and I for one, am hungry.
We can achieve our goals.
GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris
Posted by new2stocks on :
HA! you beat me St Matt! Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Thanks St Matt, Much to my hubby's dismay, I haven't learned how to cut and paste Posted by St. Matthew on :
Finally New2....I finally beat you to it. Sounds an aweful lot like what he said just after taking over from MA back in November...right before he went on vacation for two weeks.
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Morning Board and St Matt Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hey, you two. In reality I beat ya both
I just didn't know how to "bring it here" J/k
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey, guys ....I just got back from Vegas.....been gone for 4 days....I'm going to see what I missed....going to go back & read up....
Hey Jenna, we were in Vegas at the same time! I never posted I was going because no one seemed like they wanted to go the last time you tried to get a group together. Did you have a good time?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Finally New2....I finally beat you to it. Sounds an aweful lot like what he said just after taking over from MA back in November...right before he went on vacation for two weeks.
Well, let's hope he accomplishes it this time! GO RUFUS!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Hey there fhalyesss...how are things accross the pond?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
glad to see you back St. Matt! I haven't posted in awhile, but I'm still holding my stock cert hoping this mess gets straitened out one day. The sooner the better!
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Buy the crap out of it !!!!!
I already own the crap (out of it)!
OK...Who has the most crap?
My little trip to Taco Bell took care of my crap...
There seems to be plenty of peeps here that should consider going to lunch... If you get my drift.. Posted by St. Matthew on :
From the 'take it with a grain of salt' category...I have heard we will hear some more news today...maybe after the market closes. Remember...however...we are on Rufus time.
I have felt for a long time that things, events, rumors, etc. have been funneling towards a date with Monday, March 5th.
Posted by fhalyesss on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Hey there fhalyesss...how are things accross the pond?
Things are good! Be even better here if the symbol Cshd appears on the news section of my Microcap trade Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: glad to see you back St. Matt! I haven't posted in awhile, but I'm still holding my stock cert hoping this mess gets straitened out one day. The sooner the better!
Hey Rich...I have been very busy with a major project at work for a few months now. We are in the process of wrapping it up, so I will have a little more free time in the coming weeks. I have been poking my head in here whenever I can and also working it from behind the scenes through PM's and emails.
I do not have my Certificates because I do not have a margin account…therefore I am assured by Scottrade that my shares are real. I am also on the NOBO list. What is this group’s general feeling about the Certs? Should we go ahead and get them? I would hate to miss out on any potential short squeeze (I can't believe I just said that) that might result from the results of the impending proxy vote?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
So am I the dumb ass holding the most shares? SWEET Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: From the 'take it with a grain of salt' category...I have heard we will hear some more news today...maybe after the market closes. Remember...however...we are on Rufus time.
I have felt for a long time that things, events, rumors, etc. have been funneling towards a date with Monday, March 5th.
Rufus's time...12.01 am or 5:00am...I always liked those press releases. Posted by St. Matthew on :
Question:
I was on the phone with Jenna yesterday and we started discussing the possible number of “AIR” shares that might still be outstanding. There has been a lot of discussion that the shorts have been covering their NSS positions while we are on the grey market. I do not see how this is possible.
If Rufus does have the float locked up in Euroclear (as he claims) and the vast majority of the shareholders are holding strong, there simply can’t be enough real shares to get the job done. What good does it do for one short to trade “air” shares with another in an attempt to cover? We basically came to the conclusion that you can’t cover a naked position with and “air” share. Essentially, they are just trading “air” shares back and forth. We also came to the conclusion that any major trading…say more than 100,000 shares in a trading session is most likely an attempt by the shorts to manipulate and / or scare shareholders who hold real shares into dumping their shares.
The end result…there is still a huge short position in this stock.
Wally…or anyone else who is an expert in this….are we correct in our thinking?
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Dear Fellow Shareholders;
We have seen irregular trading, halt trading, accusations of Fraud, accusations of a Pump and Dump, an attempted takeover by a shareholder committee and thousands of negative post on investment oriented web sites.
All I have to say about the above is Congratulations, because the only reason the corporation survived is the shareholders, my hat’s tipped to you. The sec are not going to shut us down?
Now, lets get things moving again, We are going to be updating the public information over the next few days for CSHD via trading venues. Pr's and filings
When the trading venues information has been updated we will start the process of returning to NASDAQ, MM's Please take a chill pill and bare with the system and the required time frames.
We have prepared a package for the Annual Shareholders Meeting and upon the necessary correction to CSHD status Back on the OTCBB , we will release the date.
This beast has bucked, kicked, cussed and snarled all the way to the slaughter house. The smoker is lit and I for one, am hungry. He has been so busy he has not eaten for weeks We can achieve our goals.
GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris
No longer CEO
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Buy the crap out of it !!!!!
I already own the crap (out of it)!
OK...Who has the most crap?
Over 29,000 for me....
Posted by fhalyesss on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Buy the crap out of it !!!!!
I already own the crap (out of it)!
OK...Who has the most crap?
Over 29,000 for me....
Don't want you feelin bad Jenna so i will swap yours for my 15,000 Posted by Jo4321 on :
"Take a Chill Pill" LOL Don't often see that in a letter to shareholders, eh?
We need to create a list of Rufusisms, such as that and, of course, my personal favorite:
"Buy the Crap out of It"
Anyone else care to add.(cut and paste the lsit below and add to the list)
Jo EDITED TO COMPILE THE RUFUSISMS SO FAR: Rufusisms
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot” ..."You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life".
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey, guys ....I just got back from Vegas.....been gone for 4 days....I'm going to see what I missed....going to go back & read up....
Hey Jenna, we were in Vegas at the same time! I never posted I was going because no one seemed like they wanted to go the last time you tried to get a group together. Did you have a good time?
Awesome time!!! I forgot you were going.....Where did you stay?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: "Take a Chill Pill" LOL Don't often see that in a letter to shareholders, eh?
We need to create a list of Rufusisms, such as that and, of course, my personal favorite:
"Buy the Crap out of It"
Anyone else care to add.
Jo
To da Moon!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: "Take a Chill Pill" LOL Don't often see that in a letter to shareholders, eh?
We need to create a list of Rufusisms, such as that and, of course, my personal favorite:
"Buy the Crap out of It"
Anyone else care to add.
Jo
To da Moon!
"You sir, are an idiot."
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: "Take a Chill Pill" LOL Don't often see that in a letter to shareholders, eh?
We need to create a list of Rufusisms, such as that and, of course, my personal favorite:
"Buy the Crap out of It"
Anyone else care to add.
Jo
"It's so simple it's stupid!"
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: glad to see you back St. Matt! I haven't posted in awhile, but I'm still holding my stock cert hoping this mess gets straitened out one day. The sooner the better!
Hey Rich...I have been very busy with a major project at work for a few months now. We are in the process of wrapping it up, so I will have a little more free time in the coming weeks. I have been poking my head in here whenever I can and also working it from behind the scenes through PM's and emails.
I do not have my Certificates because I do not have a margin account…therefore I am assured by Scottrade that my shares are real. I am also on the NOBO list. What is this group’s general feeling about the Certs? Should we go ahead and get them? I would hate to miss out on any potential short squeeze (I can't believe I just said that) that might result from the results of the impending proxy vote?
Personally, I have never been a proponent of getting paper certs. I have a margin account with Scottrade who assured me that I owned my shares. My name appeared on the NOBO list, so IF anything really happens here and the PPS rises, somebody is going to pay me. Whether by selling in the market, CSHD or Scottrade. I do have my proof of ownership.
I also have the flexibility to sell whenever I choose. This is still the penny market so having access to sell quickly when a stock is moving is of the utmost importance.
Getting certs is a personal decision. I'll leave mine where they are.
I'm no expert when it comes to covering short or NSS positions but I could never understand how a huge NSS postion could be covered in this first place. If the float is say 60M shares and there are 100M short I just don't see how the math would ever work out unless every share held was traded but wouldn't that still leave a deficit of 40M shares? Wally
Posted by PCola77 on :
St Matt, I may be among the most skeptical on here with regards to shorts in general, so I'll give the pessimistic view, and let someone else give the other side of the coin
There are a couple of MAJOR pieces of info that you need to have. You may have some or all of them, but I'll leave it up to you to fill them in, as I have not read this board as closely and for as long as most of you.
1)Actual A/S O/S and float. 2)Actual number of shares that Rufus has "locked up" 3) Actual (or even a subset, if large enough) numebr of shares held strong by longs, here and elsewhere 4) Actual short position
Number 1 you could get from the TA in some cases. Number 2 you are taking a big leap of faith if you believe him, and that's IF he's given an actual number Number 3 you could definitely egt an estimate, but you know you can't believe what peope on these boards say, regardless of how closely you feel you know them Number 4 will probably never be known in any case.
Think of it this way as an example. (Made up company here, nothing to do with CSHD)
1) You find out from the TA that the A/S is 100 million, the O/S is 50 million and the float is 25 million 2) The CEO says that he has 51 million shares in his safe 3) You poll the board and find that people claim to own 10milion shares 4) The CEO claims the short position is 30 million shares.
You're in for the short squeeze of a lifetime, right?
Well, we all know the CEO holds all the cards here, and even if you take that leap of faith and believe everything that he says up to this point, the folowing could happen.
1) they could issue 30million shares from the A/S into the O/S and sell to the shorts at a premium, temporarily increasing the stock price, but then when the shorts are covered, you own stock at a higher price, but with no buying pressure, since the shorts were the ones that increased the price.
2) The CEO could "unlock" the safe, and sell 30 million shares to the shorts and line his own pocket pretty nicely, seeing as he knows that between the shorts buying and the retail buyers buying in anticipation of this short squeeze of a lifetime.
3) The shorts would have to have a REASON to cover. If you shorted this at $4 or $3 or $2, would you be worried right now about covering? Probably not. You have a LONG way to go before the worry sets in on their end.
4) the 10million supposed strong holders may bail out in droves as the price starts rising, while screaming about the short squeeze, realizing that there's a chance that this is their last chance to get out with a gain or cut losses. This would lessen the impact of any squeeze.
Anyway, the key to all of this is that the only one that knows the truth is the CEO, and after everything that has happened, how much faith do you want to put in this CEO. And remember, with regard to a short squeeze, it's like musical chairs. If you're the one left holding shares when the shorts have covered, you're screwed, because the buying pressure is gone.
Now I'll step aside and let someone else post the Shiny Happy people version
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Question:
I was on the phone with Jenna yesterday and we started discussing the possible number of “AIR” shares that might still be outstanding. There has been a lot of discussion that the shorts have been covering their NSS positions while we are on the grey market. I do not see how this is possible.
If Rufus does have the float locked up in Euroclear (as he claims) and the vast majority of the shareholders are holding strong, there simply can’t be enough real shares to get the job done. What good does it do for one short to trade “air” shares with another in an attempt to cover? We basically came to the conclusion that you can’t cover a naked position with and “air” share. Essentially, they are just trading “air” shares back and forth. We also came to the conclusion that any major trading…say more than 100,000 shares in a trading session is most likely an attempt by the shorts to manipulate and / or scare shareholders who hold real shares into dumping their shares.
The end result…there is still a huge short position in this stock.
Wally…or anyone else who is an expert in this….are we correct in our thinking?
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Rufusisms (cut and paste and add to the list)
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot”
Posted by PCola77 on :
Wally, if there are 60 million shares and 100 million short the math still works out. I think you're overlooking the fact that there would then be 160million shares in people's accounts, with only 100 million of them needing to be bought and "retired". make sense? In other words, only 62.5% of people have to be willing to sell their shares for the shorts to cover.
Now if you're talking about a situation where a single person owned more than the float, nd refused to sell, then that's entirely different. that would be the holy grail of short squeezes, and from what I've read, the SEC would step in and allow the company to increase A/S or do somethign to that effect so as not to create a tear in the market.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I'm no expert when it comes to covering short or NSS positions but I could never understand how a huge NSS postion could be covered in this first place. If the float is say 60M shares and there are 100M short I just don't see how the math would ever work out unless every share held was traded but wouldn't that still leave a deficit of 40M shares? Wally
Posted by St. Matthew on :
My personal favorite..."You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life".
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: "Take a Chill Pill" LOL Don't often see that in a letter to shareholders, eh?
We need to create a list of Rufusisms, such as that and, of course, my personal favorite:
"Buy the Crap out of It"
Anyone else care to add.
Jo
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: "Take a Chill Pill" LOL Don't often see that in a letter to shareholders, eh?
We need to create a list of Rufusisms, such as that and, of course, my personal favorite:
"Buy the Crap out of It"
Anyone else care to add.
Jo
To da Moon!
"You sir, are an idiot."
Well, I never did see that until I saw it on this thread so it could be a Rufusism.
Oh, and if I'm an idiot I'm glad I have you in my CSHD circle. Posted by St. Matthew on :
Off to a meeting...catch up to you guys later this afternoon. Nice to see a little "buzz" in here for a change.
Cheers
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Wally, if there are 60 million shares and 100 million short the math still works out. I think you're overlooking the fact that there would then be 160million shares in people's accounts, with only 100 million of them needing to be bought and "retired". make sense? In other words, only 62.5% of people have to be willing to sell their shares for the shorts to cover.
Now if you're talking about a situation where a single person owned more than the float, nd refused to sell, then that's entirely different. that would be the holy grail of short squeezes, and from what I've read, the SEC would step in and allow the company to increase A/S or do somethign to that effect so as not to create a tear in the market.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I'm no expert when it comes to covering short or NSS positions but I could never understand how a huge NSS postion could be covered in this first place. If the float is say 60M shares and there are 100M short I just don't see how the math would ever work out unless every share held was traded but wouldn't that still leave a deficit of 40M shares? Wally
I under stand what you are saying and that may be true inlegal short selling/covering but when we talk of NSS we are talking about shares that never existed. IMO, there are only 2 ways those can be covered. Either they need to be bought and pulled off the public market meaning they cannot be resold or the company has to step in and issue enough shares to cover them. No matter how you cut it. If only 60M shares are available and 100M have been sold without news shares it just can't be done. how does one turn 60M shares into 100M shares?
Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Anybody check Pacer's yet today or is it to early?
Posted by PCola77 on :
No wally, it's the same concept. If there are 100 "air" shares and 60 million real shares, that's exactly what I'm saying. there are then 160million "shares" in people's accounts, right?
only 100 million of those need to be bought and "retired" in order for all shorts to be covered.
then there are 60 million shares in peopes accounts and 0 "air" shares.
Edit: just saw your point about shares being pulled of fthe market and not re-sold. that's what I mean when I say that they are "retired". they are bought and then basically thrown out of the mix.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Wally, if there are 60 million shares and 100 million short the math still works out. I think you're overlooking the fact that there would then be 160million shares in people's accounts, with only 100 million of them needing to be bought and "retired". make sense? In other words, only 62.5% of people have to be willing to sell their shares for the shorts to cover.
Now if you're talking about a situation where a single person owned more than the float, nd refused to sell, then that's entirely different. that would be the holy grail of short squeezes, and from what I've read, the SEC would step in and allow the company to increase A/S or do somethign to that effect so as not to create a tear in the market.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I'm no expert when it comes to covering short or NSS positions but I could never understand how a huge NSS postion could be covered in this first place. If the float is say 60M shares and there are 100M short I just don't see how the math would ever work out unless every share held was traded but wouldn't that still leave a deficit of 40M shares? Wally
I under stand what you are saying and that may be true inlegal short selling/covering but when we talk of NSS we are talking about shares that never existed. IMO, there are only 2 ways those can be covered. Either they need to be bought and pulled off the public market meaning they cannot be resold or the company has to step in and issue enough shares to cover them. No matter how you cut it. If only 60M shares are available and 100M have been sold without news shares it just can't be done. how does one turn 60M shares into 100M shares?
Wally
Posted by PCola77 on :
Whoops, quoted my own post instead of editing it. Ignore this one.
Posted by wallymac on :
Key word there Pcola is the 100M need to be bought and retired. I agree.
Wally
Posted by PCola77 on :
okay so maybe I was misinterpreting you. Did you mean that you understand how it should work but don't see how it would actually work in the real world? if so i think the answer is that people all have a point at which they are willing to sell, eventually te 100 million shares can be bought back and "retired".
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Key word there Pcola is the 100M need to be bought and retired. I agree.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: okay so maybe I was misinterpreting you. Did you mean that you understand how it should work but don't see how it would actually work in the real world? if so i think the answer is that people all have a point at which they are willing to sell, eventually te 100 million shares can be bought back and "retired".
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Key word there Pcola is the 100M need to be bought and retired. I agree.
Wally
There you go.
Wally
Posted by PCola77 on :
By the way, wally, PAIV was an absolutely PERFECT example of this.
Not sure how much you know about it, but here's the story. I'll keep it as short as I can, but it'll probably still end up obnoxiously long.
JPHC did a merger with APOA and became PAIV. I can't remember the exact numbers but basicall APOA had say a million shares and PAIV (after adjusting for the merger specifics) had 300 million. The JPHC shares were supposed to be restricted, but Ameritrade let people sell them. So suddenly there were like 100million shares out there, and 1 million supposed to be. In other word, 99million "air" shares. the price went down over 99%, from .01 to .0007 before peopel started to realize it. You'd think with 100X the number of the O/S out there, they could never cover them all, since people could hold forever.
Well, people had their sell targets reached and sold. By the time the price got to .28, all shorts were covered.
So there you go. That example is the most drastic that we will probably ever see, and the price went from .0007 to .28, or 40,000%. But yes, all shares were eventually re-bought, and "retired".
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Added a few more:
quote: Rufusisms
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot” "You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life". "Listen closely to Tut". "You need to get rid of the penny stock mentality" "First priority is getting back to OTCBB" "Crank it up Fellas" "Just sit back & we'll finish this thing off."
Cut and paste and add to it. Jenna, do you have your transcripts from the radio shows saved? Those should be good for a bunch.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: So am I the dumb ass holding the most shares? SWEET
DUMB ASS !!! Posted by new2stocks on :
Rufusisms
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot” "You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life". "Listen closely to Tut". "You need to get rid of the penny stock mentality" "First priority is getting back to OTCBB" "Crank it up Fellas" "Just sit back & we'll finish this thing off." "You grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail"
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: So am I the dumb ass holding the most shares? SWEET
DUMB ASS !!!
the only plus to it is I'm not down a significant amount of money
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: So am I the dumb ass holding the most shares? SWEET
DUMB ASS !!!
You may end up to be a RICH dumb ass. If that ends up to be the case, you owe us a steak dinner.
Posted by thesource on :
I'm just messing with ya Ryan ...........
I actually have an order to buy 10K share at .05 . I figure Rufus is a good enough scammer to take it to $4.00 a share before , maybe he can do it again !!!!
Posted by 6digits on :
Retiring shares sounds a bit premature. I am still owed at least 300k shares for the 6:1 deal that Harris needs to make good on. So kick some over here.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I know source stockstar I can live being a rich dumbass and there'd be steak dinners to go round Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey, guys ....I just got back from Vegas.....been gone for 4 days....I'm going to see what I missed....going to go back & read up....
Hey Jenna, we were in Vegas at the same time! I never posted I was going because no one seemed like they wanted to go the last time you tried to get a group together. Did you have a good time?
Awesome time!!! I forgot you were going.....Where did you stay?
We stayed at Bally's, we also had a wonderful time. Maybe if this mess ever gets settled we can all meet up out there. See everyone later...GLTA
Posted by humble on :
On the issue of certs in a previous post:
As time has passed I have become increasingly concerned about ensuring that my name is actually on the company's books, that I really have the rights of ownership that I think I bought. For a long time I felt comfortable that my inclusion on the NOBO list was good enough. Lately, though, I have been rethinking that decision.
Rufus has many times indicated that you MUST be on the company's official record to be considered a true shareholder, not the NOBO, the company's record. Common business sense would agree with Rufus here.
A few things have come to light that concern me.
1) Multiple people have insinuated that Michael Holbrook was selling company shares directly to individuals as far back as 3-4 years ago, before FHAL merged with Furia. Dave Perley was also accused of this. That seemed to be an interesting speculation until a few days ago the founding member of the Holly Springs Baptist church showed up on Rufus' board and told how she and her husband (and others in the church and community) bought FHAL for the trucking company investment it seemed to be. They bought shares directly from Holbrook that were restricted, and down the road became legit (though they say they have not sold). This story directly addresses an issue that had been brought up before - when FHAL needed money Mike Alexander and/or Holbrook would seemingly find folks to buy restricted shares between $.10 and up to $1. I am assuming that these shares were never registered with the transfer agent and therefore not held on account at the DTCC. The illegal shares in this company seem to have been building since before a massive NSS interest came into play. Add to that broker-to-broker and foreign market counterfiet shares and you arrive at the ugly place we are today.
2) Per a conversation with the transfer agent a few days ago (intentionally not Don but another woman), Integrity does not know or is not confident in their best guess at the O/S due to all of the funny business going on. Management changes, off-the-record stock sales, naked shorting, etc. If the TA doesn't know the O/S, how in the world can they issue certs (they turned mine around in less than a day)? That makes me very uncomfortable.
3) Rufus has hinted that I may have been correct in my initial assumption that he controls some or all of the true float, I would guess in cert form. Remember, there are a limited number of certs on file with the DTCC. They are denominated and stored in the name of Cede & Co. As people call for them, the certs are dealt out to the true owners and the pile is reduced (very similar to cash). Once that pile is gone, so is the opportunity to 100% guarantee ownership in CSHD. Sure, everyone will have a legal claim to some form of damages or repayment if it comes to light that there is an official huge share problem - buyins at multiple levels, lawsuits, etc. That may require time, effort, expense, enforcement and a bit of luck. However, having certs is, IMO, the golden ticket at the cost of reduced liquidity.
Bottom line for me is that I was given all kinds of assurances from my brokers that the shares in my account were definitively mine. Of course the issue here is that I am being quoted policy and company-issue responses from frontline telephone operators. And the companies I am talking to may be part of the problem, not exactly an objective position on which to base my decisions. The broker is telling me how it should be in a perfect world, one in which all shares are balanced correctly on the books and no illegal shares exist. At this stage of the game I am exceedingly confident that this company does not exist in that perfect world.
How do I know that if a scramble starts that my share of the remaining ownership of the pile of certs at the DTCC will be allocated to me versus all of the others like me who are being given the same assurances?
This is not in any way meant to influence anyone else to pull certs. I just wanted to throw out my thoughts on the subject and would love to hear from other knowledgable folks about the issue of true ownership versus ownership in street name (yes, I know this topic has been worked over in the past). The decision to give up that liquidity was a tough one but I found myself really struggling with the great unknown surrounding the rightful owners of the "real" shares. I want to ensure that I have the best chance to be one of them - that is, after all, what I paid for.
..In My humble Opinion
Posted by TexasMoney on :
Nope! 106,500
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: So am I the dumb ass holding the most shares? SWEET
Posted by RyanPBF on :
You win
hopefully somehow it works out for us.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: Nope! 106,500
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: So am I the dumb ass holding the most shares? SWEET
You go TM!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Rufusisms
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot” "You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life". "Listen closely to Tut". "You need to get rid of the penny stock mentality" "First priority is getting back to OTCBB" "Crank it up Fellas" "Just sit back & we'll finish this thing off." "You grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail"
"Like a monkey humping a football.."
Posted by TexasMoney on :
I can only paraphrase it, "stop bumpin' your gums".
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Rufusisms
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot” "You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life". "Listen closely to Tut". "You need to get rid of the penny stock mentality" "First priority is getting back to OTCBB" "Crank it up Fellas" "Just sit back & we'll finish this thing off." "You grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail"
"Like a monkey humping a football.."
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
"You need to get rid of the penny stock mentality"
LOL you sure Rufus? looks like we got penny played!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
LMAO Jenna, I love that one!
Posted by wallymac on :
This seems to be old news but interesting none the less.
Feb 18, 2007, 6:57am, stockdiesel wrote: Feb 16, 2007, 1:34pm, stockprophet wrote:
Bump
Ok I got the direction, some old DD to refresh our memory and new info for those who never remember this as it was from 5 months ago when this data didn't mean much to folks. Now we need to disect the data below.
Bartow County court:
Board Resolution 9/21/06: The board agreed to demand a hold, halt, and immediate recall of all Fronthaul restricted shares. The Board instructed Sabra Dabbs to contact the transfer agent in (Integrity Stock Transfer) in writing, by fax to execute the recall of Fronthaul Restricted shares.
Board Resolution 9/21/06: It is hereby discussed, voted upon agreed to and resolved that we will be register our own securities in the Form S-3 in an asset backed management format. (sound familiar? )
Board Resolution 9/21/06: It is hereby discussed, voted upon agreed to and resolved that an escrow account trust fund will be setup for the approximate 66,000,000 shares that may have been sold in the market, but may not exist. The resolution therefore sets forth $100,000,000 million dollars will be placed in escrow as a reserve to address these shares and will be replenished as the stockholders become known up to and does not exceed $250,000,000. (I think the #'s are important to pay attention to )
Board Resolution 9/21/06: As of this day September 21st 2006, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp has logged these resolutions with the Bartow County Clerk Superior Court.
Bump. Rufus any thoughts or comments
Posted by SherriT on :
Matt? You around? OT: I bought my first option today Posted by 3403 on :
WOW!!! I must say even I am amazed at the highs and lows on this ride. Already forgotten my losses, and am enjoying the ride....
Posted by stockstar on :
quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: Nope! 106,500
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: So am I the dumb ass holding the most shares? SWEET
nope, sorry, both of you are wrong...I am the dumb ass...over 400,000.
lol and all of those shares are before the 6:1 date. ha ha ha that means if the 6:1 ever comes, I could have a total of 2.8 mill or something like that.
I still believe that things are going to turn out ok so it's all good.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by stockstar:
quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: Nope! 106,500
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: So am I the dumb ass holding the most shares? SWEET
nope, sorry, both of you are wrong...I am the dumb ass...over 400,000.
lol and all of those shares are before the 6:1 date. ha ha ha that means if the 6:1 ever comes, I could have a total of 2.8 mill or something like that.
I still believe that things are going to turn out ok so it's all good.
You should audition for the next Kool-Aid commercial Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Added a few more:
quote: Rufusisms
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot” "You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life". "Listen closely to Tut". "You need to get rid of the penny stock mentality" "First priority is getting back to OTCBB" "Crank it up Fellas" "Just sit back & we'll finish this thing off."
Cut and paste and add to it. Jenna, do you have your transcripts from the radio shows saved? Those should be good for a bunch.
"Document , document"
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Updating:
quote:Rufusisms
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot” "You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life". "Listen closely to Tut". "You need to get rid of the penny stock mentality" "First priority is getting back to OTCBB" "Crank it up Fellas" "Just sit back & we'll finish this thing off." "You grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail" "Like a monkey humping a football.." "Document, document"
Cut and paste and add to it
Posted by thecon00 on :
Wally,
If im catching your drift, the cash which was left by the company in August and put in escrow was to back the 66M shares. It also gives us a starting valuation of what the company felt these stares are worth. I.e. 100M/66M = $1.51/share and 250M/66M = $2.64/share. Now considering this was the amount the BOD was willing to “set aside” for these false shares means they were only willing to go so far w this. They felt they needed to limit their losses w the false shares as they should have. Considering we ended up where w did just three weeks after this may mean the escrow amount of $250M wasn’t nearly enough and was probably just a drop in the bucket. I would also explain why RPH had to switch gears and (at least what appears to us) as change his plan. Am I catching your drift? This is all imho. - Con
Board Resolution 9/21/06: It is hereby discussed, voted upon agreed to and resolved that an escrow account trust fund will be setup for the approximate 66,000,000 shares that may have been sold in the market, but may not exist. The resolution therefore sets forth $100,000,000 million dollars will be placed in escrow as a reserve to address these shares and will be replenished as the stockholders become known up to and does not exceed $250,000,000. (I think the #'s are important to pay attention to )
Posted by thecon00 on :
By the way guys;
I have been on this board a long time. Those of you who know me by now have never known me to be a pumper. That being said I am serious about UVIH.ob and have not gotten much of a response or interest from anyone (thank you CAT).
Please take a look at it and do your own dd. This one looks great while the market is settling in right now. An AMEX listing soon after or around March 15, 2007 and already earnings of 0.32/share and a dividend of 0.20 per share. You can still get in before AMEX and next Q’s div. Payout. Let me know what any of you think. PS it has a yahoo message board w good info right from yahoo finance main summary listing. - con
Posted by thecon00 on :
My origenal post:
thecon00 Member
Member Rated: posted February 26, 2007 16:56 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I went in heavy today with UVIH.ob. Looks to be great for a penny stock. Moving to AMEX by mid to end of March! Very strong consecutive earnings. They basically took over Florida home insurance after 04 hurricane season and have raked in the cash.
Anyone with some time tell me what you think. IMHO this is one of the most solid penny plays ive ever made. An easy double.
Repo, Cat, anyone one else w some time on their hands, I would love to hear your thoughts. Do your own dd and thanks in advance Con
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: LMAO Jenna, I love that one!
Hey New2!!!
Have you checked Pacer's today? Sorry if it was brought up already....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Sorry con, ive been crazy busy at work and wiped out in the evenings lately. Im sure you noticed i dont even post much. I have it written down and i did look into it a bit but i admit....im a slacker Posted by Jenna on :
Good night all....
Hi Cat....we miss you....
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
LOL.....damn sorry, that Trump Vodka was good.
Of course it was my fault, thats what happens when you get greedy and forgot the saying, "when it sounds too good to be true it usually is"
Posted by 6digits on :
Hate to talk in code,but here goes. Has the squirrel peaked out of the hole yet? Has the squirrel peaked out of the hole yet?
Posted by TimW on :
This is what happens when it pops out of his hole
Posted by GreenDay on :
My certs came in the mail yesterday from eTrade - only ordered 300 shares - just to see if I'd actually get them. Cost me more to get them then their worth. Scarry. Anyway they came in with JA's signature.
Posted by thecon00 on :
I think you still may have a winner in DKAM it just may take a while. Im still looking to enter in a while. – imo, con
stocktrader22 Member posted March 03, 2007 10:51 ________________________________________ LOL.....damn sorry, that Trump Vodka was good.
Of course it was my fault, thats what happens when you get greedy and forgot the saying, "when it sounds too good to be true it usually is"
Posted by thecon00 on :
stocktrader22, don’t forget much movement right now anyway, in the last week, is the effects of the overall down turn of the market. Once the market settles in growth stock are always a better return over the long haul. - con
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
FYI, I was just checking out the site that Rufus started.
He has asked the shareholders to "call off the Dogs" Quit arguing basically.
I'm sorry I still do not know how to cut and paste or I would have brought the whole letter over I will learn, until then,is there anyone who could bring it here?
Thank goodness we don't need that request anymore{we don't fight ,much} ,but that board and others sure do.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: FYI, I was just checking out the site that Rufus started.
He has asked the shareholders to "call off the Dogs" Quit arguing basically.
I'm sorry I still do not know how to cut and paste or I would have brought the whole letter over I will learn, until then,is there anyone who could bring it here?
Thank goodness we don't need that request anymore{we don't fight ,much} ,but that board and others sure do.
Shareholders;
Please call off the Dog’s; Say a Pray and Receive Peace of Mind.
Direction;
Research and post DD on recent SEC prosecutions and law changes , It will create a peace of mind that our experiences as shareholders has caused a change in Market Activities.
Do not blame the shareholder committee, I have tried to prepare everyone for the activities, from the days on IHUB, then HSM and Sub-penny Radio, you are now educated investors and much the wiser.
You now know not to accept BS without support (documentation).
If an apology is need from someone, then here is one “I am Sorry!”
Please accept the apology and band together for the betterment of the corporation.
Prepare for the days to come, your undivided attention will be needed.
GODSPEED
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Wally, Thank you so much.I promise I will learn asap.I know you can teach an "old dog" tricks.
Posted by T e x on :
Hey, there's been a little news here, I guess...
Any updates on:
* whether CSHD is basically a name/ticker change from FHAL?
* the SHC, in general, and Portman, in particular?
Thanks...
Posted by glassman on :
You now know not to accept BS without support (documentation).
heh! i've known that for years Posted by Jo4321 on :
Had to add a couple from that letter:
quote: Rufusisms
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot” "You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life". "Listen closely to Tut". "You need to get rid of the penny stock mentality" "First priority is getting back to OTCBB" "Crank it up Fellas" "Just sit back & we'll finish this thing off." "You grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail" "Like a monkey humping a football.." "Document, document" "Please call off the Dogs" "You now know not to accept BS without support (documentation" "Prepare for the days to come, your undivided attention will be needed"
Cut and paste and add to it
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: You now know not to accept BS without support (documentation).
heh! i've known that for years
Heh you mean posts that say "I just got off the phone with" or "I can't tell you who I talked to but............." aren't legit
Wonder how many on all the boards are looking back and wondering what was up with their sources of info.......every stream of BS has a source Posted by TeddyG on :
Wallymac, just curious what your take on what Con Carne from H S M is talking about. Starts on pg. 137 & ends at 141. TIA Hope all is well kuz.
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Hey, there's been a little news here, I guess...
Any updates on:
* whether CSHD is basically a name/ticker change from FHAL?
* the SHC, in general, and Portman, in particular?
Thanks...
Glad to see that you are alive and OK... Not sure about the ticker change question...but according to the bi-laws of the company...there is something about a 90 day time frame for a committee...and portman is still reading the boards...he has sent PM's stating that he is around...but the last Pm that we mentioned the SHC he is under the assumption that it "is" no longer. FWIW...perhaps he shall read this and add more...
Posted by thecon00 on :
its advertising now...?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Yea the CEOTA site was dead for a while and now i see its just advertising.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by TeddyG: Wallymac, just curious what your take on what Con Carne from H S M is talking about. Starts on pg. 137 & ends at 141. TIA Hope all is well kuz.
Hey kuz. Too me it's just more speculation. IMO, there has been way too much speculation and not nearly enough action by those in charge. What we have to show for everything since the SEC suspension is nothing positive. Just the company being taken away from the Rufus gang only to be handed back to them. Not once but twice now. From Rufus we keep getting promises but nothing concrete. Until they answer the default entry in the court systems, I see very little to get excited about. I'm waiting for the answer in the courts and the signing of an MM to quote the stock. Until that time CSHD will remain in a very gray area not only on the stock exchange but in the minds of investors. That's my take and I'm sticking to it.
Hey Tex!!!!!!I was just asking about you the other day, glad to see you are alive and kicking. As to your questions.
Not just a ticker change since FHAL no longer exists. Can't unring the bell. CSHD is the company and the business model. Will they do business again is in the very gray area I referred too above.
No one has heard from the SHC, except for a few who have claimed that they were misled into overthrowing Rufus. No one is saying who was responsible for the coup and I doubt anyone even knows who the SHC is or if they still exist.
The gray area here is starting to resemble a BLACK HOLE because it's seems many want to speak of inside info yet the info they give doesn't materialize. I'm still watching and learning here. Like I stated earlier I paid for the price of admission and want to see the end of the story.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey guys wanted to let you know, that guy Griff from HSM, who predicted the last PR, & nailed it to a tee has now said this:
Yesterday, 01:50 PM #1423 Griff HSM Regular
Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 352 Quote: Originally Posted by phil Hey, Im just happy that the one you finally did get right was a hell of a doozy.
Yea, lucky me. If you are refering to CSHD answering the SEC complaint, I was actuall right. CSHD has answered the complaint, that's a fact. I didn't take into account that the lawyers were going to review it before passing it on. I wouldn't be surprised that we here about that this week
************************************************
Looks to me like he saying the default has been answered & we need to watch Pacer's....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
let's hope
Posted by Jenna on :
I don't know if you guys believe in signs but:
I got Chinese food yesterday & of course, had some fortune cookies.....My fortune said:
" Everything will now come your way ."
My 4 year old daughters cookie said:
" Your luck has been completely changed today ."
I hope those ARE signs...that would be great....
Anybody else experiencing "signs" - I remember we were talking about this before & it was fun....
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I don't know if you guys believe in signs but:
I got Chinese food yesterday & of course, had some fortune cookies.....My fortune said:
" Everything will now come your way ."
My 4 year old daughters cookie said:
" Your luck has been completely changed today ."
I hope those ARE signs...that would be great....
Anybody else experiencing "signs" - I remember we were talking about this before & it was fun....
I think your fortune cookies have as good a chance of being right as all the predicitions we have heard from all the different camps over the past months. LOL
Wally
Posted by CRab on :
Posted by Jenna on :
Crab- Is that Koolaid in there?
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Me---> <---Koolaid
Fixed it for you Jenna...
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Just checking in for news but nothing yet.
Posted by new2stocks on :
CSHD apparently filed the response to the default in court today per semiguy in paltalk
keep an eye on Pacer!
Posted by milliam on :
I'm getting ready...mixing up a new batch...
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks for the info New2!
You have Pacer's right? Can you check it tomarrow for us?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Thanks for the info New2!
You have Pacer's right? Can you check it tomarrow for us?
Jenna, I canceled my Pacer account. They charged me $34.00 for searches I did on CSHD....that's just crazy!
Posted by glassman on :
anybody still looking for those Georgia squirrels? i hear they have the flying type down there too
Glass that is sooooo mean!!!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Thanks New2 & that is crazy.....
Glass that is sooooo mean!!!
i just posted the link Jenna...
i woulda put up a safety net to catch the little guys if i was doing the "stunt" Posted by 10of13 on :
http://cvsu.us/ when did this go back to the old website?
Posted by 10of13 on :
OK...never mind...now it is back to the new site...very ODD!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: CSHD apparently filed the response to the default in court today per semiguy in paltalk
keep an eye on Pacer!
Isn't this guy known for being sorrta off his rocker. Are we really that starved for info?
Posted by glassman on :
maybe he's the inventor of the squirrel catapult?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: maybe he's the inventor of the squirrel catapult?
That was funny... I moved that one over to the big screen. Had the whole family rolling.
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: CSHD apparently filed the response to the default in court today per semiguy in paltalk
keep an eye on Pacer!
Isn't this guy known for being sorrta off his rocker. Are we really that starved for info?
Tax? What are you saying...not all that are involved with CSHD can be relied upon? LOL! When there is a filing there will be a filing and I am sure that it will be posted EVERY WHERE!... if there isn't..well..then..umm..ahhh..well...I dunno... we continue to remain in the dark...or the gray! Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: CSHD apparently filed the response to the default in court today per semiguy in paltalk
keep an eye on Pacer!
Isn't this guy known for being sorrta off his rocker. Are we really that starved for info?
Tax? What are you saying...not all that are involved with CSHD can be relied upon? LOL! When there is a filing there will be a filing and I am sure that it will be posted EVERY WHERE!... if there isn't..well..then..umm..ahhh..well...I dunno... we continue to remain in the dark...or the gray!
Still trust these sources about as far as I can throw them.
And I am still waiting next to the edge of that cliff.
Just encase anyone wants me to get a bit more distance. Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm getting ready...mixing up a new batch...
Save some for me!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
nothing on PACER since jan. 3rd.
just checked.
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks Surf....
Posted by 10of13 on :
I gotta think that with the way that RPH likes to run his mouth...IF there was an answer to the SEC AND it was GOOD? he would be PR'ing it...
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
HEY! American Bulls just rated CSHD a BUY!
Well, I thought it was interesting (if not funny). Maybe it will have an effect. ? Posted by milliam on :
That is pretty funny. I wouldn't expect them to rate a grey sheet company.
Maybe they are just trying to short it .
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
CSHDreams....
Rufus Paul Harris is an American Hero
He will make us all rich, follow him blindly and you will be repaid for your misery.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: That is pretty funny. I wouldn't expect them to rate a grey sheet company.
Here's a curiosity. TMMI (at one time Total Multimedia Inc) had a remarkable run today. This appears to have happened on the strength of a few alerts from tout sheets.
4011 WEST OQUENDO UNIT C LAS VEGAS NEVADA 89118 (ADDRESS OF PRINCIPAL EXECUTIVE OFFICES AND ZIP CODE)
(702) 795-4333 (REGISTRANT'S TELEPHONE NUMBER, INCLUDING AREA CODE)
ITEM 5. OTHER EVENTS. Amazon Natural Treasures, Inc. is preparing to file suit against Janice Shell and numerous others for utilizing Internet chat rooms to defame, slander and libel Amazon Natural Treasures, Inc., their principals and stockholders.
The suit will be filed in the U.S. Federal Court District of Nevada against Janice Shell and her co-conspirators for:
- Slander and conspiracy to commit slander - Defamation and conspiracy to commit defamation - Libel and conspiracy to commit libel - Intentional infliction of emotional distress and conspiracy to commit emotional distress - Tortuous interference with contract and conspiracy to tortuously interfere with contract - Illegally shorting of non-marginable securities and conspiracy to commit illegal shorting of non-securities. - Tortuous interference with prospective economic advantage and conspiracy to tortuously interfere with prospective economic advantage - Negligent interference with prospective economic advantage
The lawsuit will seek relief from their course of conduct being carried out over the Internet seeking to malign, harass, cyberstalk, defame, injure and annoy Plaintiff.
Janice Shell and her co-conspirators continue to spread lies and innuendoes about Amazon Natural Treasures, Inc., their products, officers, directors and stockholders.
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereto duly authorized.
Subject: NAKED SHORTING Author: <PugsTKO*aol.com> at Internet Date: 12/04/1999 6:06 PM
Sirs, I am an OTC BB investor who, for one, would love to see the abusive practice of naked shorting abolished from the OTC market. There are many examples one can cite, but I would like to use the example of OTC:AZNT; In the case of AZNT, which filed a complaint in federal court against Joseph Andy Mann, JB Oxford, Canaacord, Whitecliff, Shoreline, The Canadian Depository and the DTC, for stealing 4.48 million shares , shorting the stock and then hypothecating it several times in an effort to cleanse it, the abusive practice of naked shorting is being used to combat a company that has had to go to court for the return of stock stolen from them . The company was granted a restraining order for the return of the stock to the court. Instead of sending the stolen stock to the court, as ordered, JB Oxford sent the stock to DTC, where DTC imposed a freeze . The stock could not be returned to the court. AZNT then got an injunction and extended it to include DTC for the return of the stolen stock. DTC would still not return the stock to the posession of the court and, instead, became a defendant in the case as well. Why would DTC choose to become a defendant rather than return the stolen stock? The DTC report states that the short position against the 4.48 million shares is 1.3 million shares. This does not include the naked shorting coming out of Canada, particularly through Pacific International. The worst thing about the case of AZNT, is that it is not unique....from this point, boiler rooms, aligned with AZNT shortsellers and rogue brokers, continue to short the stock naked as the boiler room telemarketers solicit long shareholders for their stock. The telemarketers use smear tactics and work in concert with other boiler room associates who participate in a smear campaign against the company, it's products, it's management and even it's shareholders. Newspapers are contacted , companies the company does business with are contacted and fed misinformation...all in concert with agressive naked shorting. Market Makers of AZNT, like NITE , have 2.2 million shares on their books and were never on the bid , in a float of approx. 1.6 million shares. And that's only one Market Maker! AZNT is a fully reporting company, also compliant with NASD rule 6530, yet, they were delisted . Why? The NASD has "troubles" with their financials, even though the SEC does not. Are we to assume now that the NASD is now liable when a stock falls because they allowed it to be listed after they "approved" the company in question's financials? Why has the DTC prevented AZNT shareholders from getting physical posession of their stock for 23 months with a self imposed freeze of the AZNT DTC account that they will not lift even after the court ordered it ? The NASD created a new rule AFTER THE FACT citing that ; if the NASD did not approve of a companiy's financials, they would have 30 days to resolve the matter, trading with an 'E' added to the ticker. AZNT never had that option. The abusive practice of naked shorting is used as a tool of professional shortsellers, promoters & rogue brokers to crush the companies they target. They agressively short naked in concert with smear campaigns and , in my opinion, exploit the bureaucracy of the NASD, DTC & SEC. Who loses are OTC:BB investors, to those who 'work' the system, made possible by the abusive practice of naked shorting.
Gary Dobry OTC:BB Investor
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: gee wally, why'd ya have to bring Janice into this?
DATE OF REPORT JUNE 29, 1999
AMAZON NATURAL TREASURES, INC. (EXACT NAME OF REGISTRANT AS SPECIFIED IN ITS CHARTER)
NEVADA (STATE OR OTHER JURISDICTION OF INCORPORATION)
4011 WEST OQUENDO UNIT C LAS VEGAS NEVADA 89118 (ADDRESS OF PRINCIPAL EXECUTIVE OFFICES AND ZIP CODE)
(702) 795-4333 (REGISTRANT'S TELEPHONE NUMBER, INCLUDING AREA CODE)
ITEM 5. OTHER EVENTS. Amazon Natural Treasures, Inc. is preparing to file suit against Janice Shell and numerous others for utilizing Internet chat rooms to defame, slander and libel Amazon Natural Treasures, Inc., their principals and stockholders.
The suit will be filed in the U.S. Federal Court District of Nevada against Janice Shell and her co-conspirators for:
- Slander and conspiracy to commit slander - Defamation and conspiracy to commit defamation - Libel and conspiracy to commit libel - Intentional infliction of emotional distress and conspiracy to commit emotional distress - Tortuous interference with contract and conspiracy to tortuously interfere with contract - Illegally shorting of non-marginable securities and conspiracy to commit illegal shorting of non-securities. - Tortuous interference with prospective economic advantage and conspiracy to tortuously interfere with prospective economic advantage - Negligent interference with prospective economic advantage
The lawsuit will seek relief from their course of conduct being carried out over the Internet seeking to malign, harass, cyberstalk, defame, injure and annoy Plaintiff.
Janice Shell and her co-conspirators continue to spread lies and innuendoes about Amazon Natural Treasures, Inc., their products, officers, directors and stockholders.
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereto duly authorized.
C. On February 28, 2001, the Commission filed a complaint in Securities and Exchange Commission v. Amazon Natural Treasures, Inc., et al., Civil No. CV-S-01-0229-RHL-RJJ (D. Nevada). In its complaint, the Commission alleged, among other things, that from at least 1997 through March 2000, Sylver prepared and/or reviewed, and disseminated, numerous materially false and misleading statements and omissions made by Amazon in public filings with the Commission, press releases, its Internet web site [www.amazon-treasures.com], and other documents disseminated to the public concerning the company's products, revenues and prospective earnings. The complaint further alleged Sylver aided and abetted Amazon's failure to develop and maintain adequate books and records and internal accounting controls. The complaint further alleged that Sylver aided and abetted Amazon's failure to file with the Commission its Form 10-KSB for the year ended December 31, 1999 and its late filing of three Form 10-QSBs for its fiscal years 1999 and 2000. Finally, the complaint alleged that, from at least 1997 through 1999, Sylver participated in Amazon's sales of millions of shares of unregistered, non-exempt stock.
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: CSHDreams....
Rufus Paul Harris is an American Hero
He will make us all rich, follow him blindly and you will be repaid for your misery.
That reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons when they are looking for "the leader" and Homer finds a bean on his dinner plate that resemble "the leader". LMAO.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: That is pretty funny. I wouldn't expect them to rate a grey sheet company.
Maybe they are just trying to short it .
Here is the info from American - Bulls
CSHD
CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDINGS CP Daily Commentary
Our system posted a BUY CONFIRMED today.
BUY-IF is confirmed by a white candlestick with a lower open and a higher close. The buying price is the previous close ( 0.0900 ) according to the Rules of Confirmation.
Data provided by: End of Day Data
BUY CONFIRMED
Posted by glassman on :
Janice has an interesting history.... many fear to even mention her name....
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Janice has an interesting history.... many fear to even mention her name....
I know that. But I first encounter her and Jim Bishop when I first started trading and bought IDWD. It was because of them that I learned what DD really was. I also found both of them to be very knowledgable and willing to share that knowledge with others.
Neither one of them are infallible but from what I have seen they are both right more often then they are wrong. I have always felt that if someone can actually make a credible argument with some facts to back it up against a stock I am interested in, I'll not only listen but follow up on the DD.
I completely dislike the person that posts scam and nothing more no links to back them or anything. That to me is a bash, whereas a person who has done their homework and shares it, is just providing information like the person presenting positive Info.
I like Janice and Jim and will listen but as with all else still do my own DD.
GLTA Wally
Oh, anything on Pacer? any filings with the SEC? So nothing has changed.
Posted by glassman on :
Neither one of them are infallible but from what I have seen they are both right more often then they are wrong. i agree, and? that's about the best we can hope for...
i've often stated this in the past, i'll state it again:
If you see anybody thats right EVERY time? RUN, you've probably met the devil!!!! Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Neither one of them are infallible but from what I have seen they are both right more often then they are wrong. i agree, and? that's about the best we can hope for...
i've often stated this in the past, i'll state it again:
If you see anybody thats right EVERY time? RUN, you've probably met the devil!!!!
I guess I'm the antithesis of the Devil since I'm wrong everytime.
Wally
Posted by humble on :
I mentioned several weeks ago that I was requesting a portion of my position in certs. They arrived this evening, about 3 weeks total turnaround time. They have Arlitt's siggie on them.
At the top they at least confirm the A/S count as 200 million shares. Of course the O/S is the almighty question, especially as it concerns Alexander. Too bad they don't include that number with the certificate documentation.
Anyway, I mentioned I was running this little experiment to see if certs were still available and how long it might take to receive them. Using Choicetrade it was about three weeks. I have heard others say 6-8 weeks but that may have been during a very busy time (apparently during Nov and Dec a lot of people were pulling certs, according to Integrity).
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by humble: I mentioned several weeks ago that I was requesting a portion of my position in certs. They arrived this evening, about 3 weeks total turnaround time. They have Arlitt's siggie on them.
At the top they at least confirm the A/S count as 200 million shares. Of course the O/S is the almighty question, especially as it concerns Alexander. Too bad they don't include that number with the certificate documentation.
Anyway, I mentioned I was running this little experiment to see if certs were still available and how long it might take to receive them. Using Choicetrade it was about three weeks. I have heard others say 6-8 weeks but that may have been during a very busy time (apparently during Nov and Dec a lot of people were pulling certs, according to Integrity).
...In My humble Opinion
Hello Humble
Thanks for the Info.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I heard through the grapevine that there is a bit of activity over here. Nice find Wally, very interesting word usage. Humble... 3 weeks that WAS quick.
Posted by Jenna on :
It seems as though all of the old CSHD crew is back except for 1 - Romeo.....
any thoughts on why he hasn't returned along with the rest?
Posted by Jenna on :
sorry double post...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: It seems as though all of the old CSHD crew is back except for 1 - Romeo.....
any thoughts on why he hasn't returned along with the rest?
must be smarter than us...... Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: It seems as though all of the old CSHD crew is back except for 1 - Romeo.....
any thoughtd on why he hasn't returned along with the rest?
Jenna, Has it been confirmed that they are all back,other than the latest PR?
The reason I am asking is because if tut wasn't the "legal" CEO? Can he appoint anyone to any thing?
I am not bashing anyone.This is an honest question. Hey, maybe he was ceo. Who really knows anymore Posted by Jenna on :
I know what you are saying O & that's a good point, perhaps it went back to how it was pre-SHC vote but still Romeo would be missing still...
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I know what you are saying O & that's a good point, perhaps it went back to how it was pre-SHC vote but still Romeo would be missing still...
Romeo,Romeo Where for are thee?
Posted by Jenna on :
LOL Stock Momma!!!!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Sort of OT: Its kinda strange. I purchased some shares of FCCN a while back because it looked like another reverse merger but with a company i could actually find info about! Anyway, it seems they went through the same "jerking around" that we went through....bad press and basher galore, but it looks like they are still keeping it together. Anyway, my point is, i got an email from Etrade regarding a shareholder vote for FCCN. I havent opened it yet, id rather wait until i get home, but at least it looks like some sort of progress.
I bought into FCCN on January 5th, roughly 6 months after FHAL....5 months after the merger to CSHD. Im not sure which one is going to get their chit together first but CSHD is not currently the front runner.
Im sure this is all because of the court stuff...........which in retrospect was definitely not the fault of the shareholders, yet we are the ones currently holding the bag. Ive learned one thing (even if FCCN turns out to be crap)....things do NOT take as long as some people want us to believe.
Posted by thesource on :
Buy the crap out of it !!! (DTGP not CSHD) Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
I wonder why CSHD did not make this list????? Anyone, Anyone.....jsut pass th koolaid for another round....hiccup!~
BREAKING: SEC Suspends Trade on 35 Pink Sheet Companies Posted on Thursday, March 08 * 08:33:56 CST
*** Staff Report
The SEC announced about 15 minutes before market open Thursday that it was suspending trade on 35 companies trading on the Pink Sheets, citing rules in Section 12(k) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.
Trade will be suspended beginning 9:30 a.m. today and will remain suspended until midnight March 21.
“The Commission ordered these trading suspensions because of questions that have arisen regarding the adequacy and accuracy of publicly disseminated information concerning among other things: (1) the companies’ assets, (2) the companies’ business operations, (3) the companies’ current financial condition, and/or (4) financing arrangements involving the issuance of the companies’ shares,” the SEC said.
The companies suspended are as follows: Advanced Powerline Technologies Inc. (APWL) America Asia Petroleum Corp. (AAPM) Amerossi Int’l Group, Inc. (AMSN) Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. (APPM) Asgard Holdings Inc. (AGHG) Biogenerics Ltd. (BIGN) China Gold Corp. (CGDC) CTR Investments & Consulting, Inc. (CIVX) DC Brands International, Inc. (DCBI) Equal Trading, Inc. (EQTD) Equitable Mining Corp. (EQBM) Espion International, Inc. (EPLJ) Goldmark Industries, Inc. (GDKI) GroFeed Inc. (GFDI) Healtheuniverse, Inc. (HLUN) Interlink Global Corp. (ILKG) Investigative Services Agencies, Inc. (IVAY) iPackets International, Inc. (IPKL) Koko Petroleum Inc. (KKPT) Leatt Corporation (LEAT) LOM Logistics, Inc. (LOMJ) Modern Energy Corp. (MODR) National Healthcare Logistics, Inc. (NHLG) Presidents Financial Corp. (PZFC) Red Truck Entertainment Inc. (RTRK) Relay Capital Corp. (RLYC) Rodedawg International Industries, Inc. (RWGI) Rouchon Industries, Inc. (RCHN) Software Effective Solutions Corp. (SFWJ) Solucorp Industries Ltd. (SLUP) Sports-stuff.com Inc. (SSUF) UBA Technology, Inc. (UBTG) Wataire Industries Inc. (WTAF) WayPoint Biomedical Holdings, Inc. (WYPH) Wineco Productions Inc. (WNCP)
Posted by RyanPBF on :
maybe because they are already suspended. anyone anyone
Posted by wallymac on :
Bucky,
That was a list of companies that were suspended TODAY. Quite a few.
Since CSHD was suspened months ago it was not on this list
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
OT : Actually this list of suspensions appears to be part of a "Sting" operation or something. It doesnt look like the normal suspension list.
Here is news from one of the suspended companies..."Operation Spamalot"
UPDATE: SEC Stops Trading In 35 Cos Linked To Email Stk Spam
Mar 8, 2007 12:45:32 (ET)
(Updates throughout with details, SEC comment)
WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The Securities and Exchange Commission halted trading in 35 companies Thursday as it stepped up efforts to protect investors from market manipulators who use email "spam" to hype investments in tiny microcap companies.
"Operation Spamalot" will target an estimated 100 million spam messages sent each week, the SEC announced. Its chairman, Christopher Cox, said the operation will crack down on emailed invitations urging investors to "ride the bull" or make "fast money."
The SEC's announcement followed the halt in trading of shares in 35 Pink Sheet companies said to be featured in repeated spam campaigns. The SEC cited questions about the adequacy and accuracy of information about the companies.
Spam messages can trigger sudden rises in stock prices and trading activity, but the stocks can plunge when the perpetrators sell their shares and stop the spamming, causing investors to lose their money, Cox said at a press conference here. Mark Schonfeld, head of the SEC's New York office, estimated that investors have lost tens of millions of dollars in the past year alone on the 35 stocks subject to the trading halt.
SEC officials have long recommended deleting such messages. Under the new push, the agency is warning investors to steer clear of such stock tips and plans to take aggressive steps to curb the spamming. More trading halts and lawsuits targeting promoters are likely, agency officials said.
"There will be actions to follow," Cox promised.
The 10-day trading suspensions will run through March 21, and affect the following 35 companies: Advanced Powerline Technologies Inc. (APWL), America Asia Petroleum Corp. (AAPM), Amerossi International Group, Inc. (AMSN), Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. (APPM), Asgard Holdings Inc. (AGHG), Biogenerics Ltd. (BIGN), China Gold Corp. (CGDC), CTR Investments & Consulting, Inc. (CIVX), DC Brands International, Inc. (DCBI), Equal Trading, Inc. (EQTD), Equitable Mining Corp. (EQBM), Espion International, Inc. (EPLJ), Goldmark Industries, Inc. (GDKI), GroFeed Inc. (GFDI), Healtheuniverse, Inc. (HLUN), Interlink Global Corp. (ILKG), Investigative Services Agencies, Inc. (IVAY), iPackets International, Inc. (IPKL), Koko Petroleum Inc. (KKPT), Leatt Corporation (LEAT), LOM Logistics, Inc. (LOMJ), Modern Energy Corp. (MODR), National Healthcare Logistics, Inc. (NHLG), Presidents Financial Corp. (PZFC), Red Truck Entertainment Inc. (RTRK), Relay Capital Corp. (RLYC), Rodedawg International Industries, Inc. (RWGI), Rouchon Industries, Inc. (RCHN), Software Effective Solutions Corp. (SFWJ), Solucorp Industries Ltd. (SLUP), Sports-stuff.com Inc. (SSUF), UBA Technology, Inc. (UBTG), Wataire Industries Inc. (WTAF), WayPoint Biomedical Holdings, Inc. (WYPH), and Wineco Productions Inc. (WNCP).
Posted by wallymac on :
You know that this could play into the hands of the not too above board. Think about it. If there is a major short position all they have to do is start a spam campaign and get the stock suspended. Once that happens and they begin trading on the gray sheets they can cover at a much cheaper price.
Man I just don't know. It would seem that there has to be a better way to address this issue.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Here is a link to the webcast about the 35 suspensions by the sec
Seems kinda funny that all of the sudden they are going to suspend all these companies right after the new DTCC platform began.....
Posted by new2stocks on :
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It is understood if you are not able to answer in an affirmative or even negative manner at this stage, but the answers are deemed to be important as most shareholders hope for a positive future outcome of this saga:
1. Is there any analysis available of the FTD lists pertaining to CSHD/FHAL that were acquired from the DTCC or any of its subsidiaries?
2. Is there any proof of any FTD's' outside the DTCC clearing system relating to CSHD?
3. If so, is there any analysis being conducted of the FTD lists to identify individuals/fims who may have agreed, conspired and/or participated in any type of illegal stock manipulation scheme pertaining to CSHD/FHAL?
Thanks !!
GO CSHD!!
Praise The Lord and Pass The Ammunition!
Solid & Strong
1. Is there any analysis available of the FTD lists pertaining to CSHD/FHAL that were acquired from the DTCC or any of its subsidiaries?
Go back to the PR about the SHO list, there are several free web sites that archive this information.
2. Is there any proof of any FTD's' outside the DTCC clearing system relating to CSHD?
SEE ABOVE
3. If so, is there any analysis being conducted of the FTD lists to identify individuals/firms who may have agreed, conspired and/or participated in any type of illegal stock manipulation scheme pertaining to CSHD/FHAL?
Several organization are following and attaching this, great website have emerged they have all been posted, DDers Please post the links
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: OT : Actually this list of suspensions appears to be part of a "Sting" operation or something. It doesnt look like the normal suspension list.
Here is news from one of the suspended companies..."Operation Spamalot"
UPDATE: SEC Stops Trading In 35 Cos Linked To Email Stk Spam
Mar 8, 2007 12:45:32 (ET)
(Updates throughout with details, SEC comment)
WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The Securities and Exchange Commission halted trading in 35 companies Thursday as it stepped up efforts to protect investors from market manipulators who use email "spam" to hype investments in tiny microcap companies.
"Operation Spamalot" will target an estimated 100 million spam messages sent each week, the SEC announced. Its chairman, Christopher Cox, said the operation will crack down on emailed invitations urging investors to "ride the bull" or make "fast money."
The SEC's announcement followed the halt in trading of shares in 35 Pink Sheet companies said to be featured in repeated spam campaigns. The SEC cited questions about the adequacy and accuracy of information about the companies.
Spam messages can trigger sudden rises in stock prices and trading activity, but the stocks can plunge when the perpetrators sell their shares and stop the spamming, causing investors to lose their money, Cox said at a press conference here. Mark Schonfeld, head of the SEC's New York office, estimated that investors have lost tens of millions of dollars in the past year alone on the 35 stocks subject to the trading halt.
SEC officials have long recommended deleting such messages. Under the new push, the agency is warning investors to steer clear of such stock tips and plans to take aggressive steps to curb the spamming. More trading halts and lawsuits targeting promoters are likely, agency officials said.
"There will be actions to follow," Cox promised.
The 10-day trading suspensions will run through March 21, and affect the following 35 companies: Advanced Powerline Technologies Inc. (APWL), America Asia Petroleum Corp. (AAPM), Amerossi International Group, Inc. (AMSN), Apparel Manufacturing Associates, Inc. (APPM), Asgard Holdings Inc. (AGHG), Biogenerics Ltd. (BIGN), China Gold Corp. (CGDC), CTR Investments & Consulting, Inc. (CIVX), DC Brands International, Inc. (DCBI), Equal Trading, Inc. (EQTD), Equitable Mining Corp. (EQBM), Espion International, Inc. (EPLJ), Goldmark Industries, Inc. (GDKI), GroFeed Inc. (GFDI), Healtheuniverse, Inc. (HLUN), Interlink Global Corp. (ILKG), Investigative Services Agencies, Inc. (IVAY), iPackets International, Inc. (IPKL), Koko Petroleum Inc. (KKPT), Leatt Corporation (LEAT), LOM Logistics, Inc. (LOMJ), Modern Energy Corp. (MODR), National Healthcare Logistics, Inc. (NHLG), Presidents Financial Corp. (PZFC), Red Truck Entertainment Inc. (RTRK), Relay Capital Corp. (RLYC), Rodedawg International Industries, Inc. (RWGI), Rouchon Industries, Inc. (RCHN), Software Effective Solutions Corp. (SFWJ), Solucorp Industries Ltd. (SLUP), Sports-stuff.com Inc. (SSUF), UBA Technology, Inc. (UBTG), Wataire Industries Inc. (WTAF), WayPoint Biomedical Holdings, Inc. (WYPH), and Wineco Productions Inc. (WNCP).
I see BIGN in there! Who was in that stock?
Posted by Jenna on :
I think Chart was in that stock..... Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I think Chart was in that stock.....
TYLER, Texas, March 8, 2007 (PRIME NEWSWIRE) -- Biogenerics Limited (Other OTC:BIGN.PK - News) is not engaged in mass email or promotion. We welcome any action by the authorities to help curb the unsolicited activities. Biogenerics believes in the long run that this will have a positive effect for market integrity and for our shareholders.
They responded!
Posted by new2stocks on :
10 mailbox full
Posted by 10of13 on :
Not any more...thanks!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Speech by SEC Chairman: Remarks at Press Conference on ‘Operation Spamalot’
Bloomberg Television premieres a half-hour Special Report called "Phantom Shares" on Tuesday, March 13, 2007 at 7:00pm, 9:00pm, and 10:00pm ET.
Millions of shares of stock are being sold that may not exist. How? Through an obscure trading strategy known as naked short selling. Bloomberg Television's Special Report hosted by Mike Schneider explains what the strategy is, how it's executed, which companies are targets, and what the SEC is trying to do to control it.
Posted by 3403 on :
I'm naked, I'm short, and I am selling....
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
quote:Originally posted by 3403: I'm naked, I'm short, and I am selling....
Prostitution is illegal, even if you do come up short.
Posted by bilgert on :
Why rufus has been busy...
By JOSH FUNK, AP Business Writer Thu Mar 8, 6:40 PM ET
OMAHA, Neb. - The job applications from investment managers who want to work with legendary investor Warren Buffett have started to pile up around Berkshire Hathaway Inc.'s office in the past week.
"We've gotten hundreds of those things so far," Buffett said in a phone interview Thursday afternoon. "I'm a little overwhelmed."
Buffett outlined his plan to hire one or more young investment managers in his annual letter to shareholders released March 1. Berkshire plans to make one of the managers of its more than 60 different companies CEO when Buffett is gone, and one of the investment managers will become Berkshire's chief investment officer.
Buffett, 76, said in his letter that Berkshire's board agreed in October to seek outside candidates for the chief investment officer job because the best internal candidates are too close to Buffett's age.
Buffett joked that the job applicants shouldn't be intimidated by Berkshire's $61.5 billion investment portfolio or the $38.3 billion cash the Omaha-based company held at the end of 2006.
"I've always said my job is so easy a caveman could do it," Buffett said, echoing the slogan from recent ads for one of Berkshire's insurance companies, Geico.
But in his shareholder letter, Buffett outlined some more rigorous criteria for the job.
Buffett said he's looking for someone who is emotionally stable, can avoid serious risks, think independently and read human behavior.
When it comes to Berkshire's next chief executive, Buffett has said the company board knows "who should take over if I should die tonight" and said the company has three outstanding internal candidates. Each of those candidates is significantly younger than Buffett.
And when the subject of succession came up in his letter, Buffett tried to reassure shareholders that he is in excellent health: "It's amazing what Cherry Coke and hamburgers will do for a fellow."
Buffett started handling investments in 1956 when four relatives and three close friends trusted him with $105,000. At the end of 2006, Buffett's company had total assets of $248.4 billion, and it owned more than 60 companies including insurance, clothing, furniture, natural gas, jewelry and candy companies, restaurants, and corporate jet firms. Berkshire also has major investments in such companies as Coca-Cola Co., Anheuser-Busch Cos. and Wells Fargo & Co.
Today at 2:43pm, phatspender wrote:Rufus, what's holding up the proxy? ....Certainly not the SEC or the illegal shorters......
This a little foresight!
This is the Quote of the day!!!
“....Certainly not the SEC or the illegal shorters...…”
HeHe, I am smiling really big
I will use that quote soon! Remember this one
Help me Help you!
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Posted by TeddyG on :
this thread seems to have been knocked off the board
Posted by TeddyG on :
Huh, that's wierd now we're back(on the Hot Stocks Free For All board)
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Rufus is causing some commotion over there on his board.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Stock? Have you read over there? Seems there is suppose to be some kind of stamp on the back of everyones CERTS... Tax? Humble? Anyone with CERTS? Is there?
Posted on other board:
Re: Friday, March 9th, part 2 « Reply #463 on Today at 1:27pm »
Today at 1:14pm, someextradough wrote: Today at 1:12pm, mscattlemen wrote:
Out of 4 certificates none are stamped on the back. What kind of stamp are we looking for? Are we suppose to have some kind of stamp?
Oh, great... all we need is another reason to be worried.... Rufus, would you please explain the significance of any "stamp" since you brought it up?? Thank you!!
If your Certificate passed threw a DTCC registered agent, or Clearing House it would be stamped!
My Friend’s Cleared (transacted) 6 times, The unbelievable part is they have always been restricted!!
GODSPEED
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Added the last one:
quote: Rufusisms
"Buy the crap out of it!" “It’s so simple, it’s stupid” “Take a chill pill” “You sir, are an idiot” "You sir, will remember the name Rufus Paul Harris for the rest of your life". "Listen closely to Tut". "You need to get rid of the penny stock mentality" "First priority is getting back to OTCBB" "Crank it up Fellas" "Just sit back & we'll finish this thing off." "You grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail" "Like a monkey humping a football.." "Document, document" "Please call off the Dogs" "You now know not to accept BS without support (documentation" "Prepare for the days to come, your undivided attention will be needed" "Help me help you"
Cut and paste and add to it
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Stock? Have you read over there? Seems there is suppose to be some kind of stamp on the back of everyones CERTS... Tax? Humble? Anyone with CERTS? Is there?
Posted on other board:
Re: Friday, March 9th, part 2 « Reply #463 on Today at 1:27pm »
Today at 1:14pm, someextradough wrote: Today at 1:12pm, mscattlemen wrote:
Out of 4 certificates none are stamped on the back. What kind of stamp are we looking for? Are we suppose to have some kind of stamp?
Oh, great... all we need is another reason to be worried.... Rufus, would you please explain the significance of any "stamp" since you brought it up?? Thank you!!
If your Certificate passed threw a DTCC registered agent, or Clearing House it would be stamped!
My Friend’s Cleared (transacted) 6 times, The unbelievable part is they have always been restricted!!
GODSPEED
10, I wouldn't worry about the stamp on the certs yet.IMO
A Man that talks in riddles, gives me the giggles J/K I know he is probably being careful about what he says.
Posted by wallymac on :
I think what he(Rufus) is talking about is restricted shares needing a stamp on the back so that they are tradable.
Clean Cert's wouldn't need anything other than being signed over to a brokerage to deposit them in your account.
Yep riddles and diversions but nothing of substance
GLTA Wally
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Certs wont matter in the end...more games played by Rufus IMO
Posted by GreenDay on :
My cert have NO stamp and are signed by JA. Should I panic yet and send them back in. Nah- there not worth (literally) the hassle or effort.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by TeddyG: Wallymac, just curious what your take on what Con Carne from H S M is talking about. Starts on pg. 137 & ends at 141. TIA Hope all is well kuz.
Hey kuz. Too me it's just more speculation. IMO, there has been way too much speculation and not nearly enough action by those in charge. What we have to show for everything since the SEC suspension is nothing positive. Just the company being taken away from the Rufus gang only to be handed back to them. Not once but twice now. From Rufus we keep getting promises but nothing concrete. Until they answer the default entry in the court systems, I see very little to get excited about. I'm waiting for the answer in the courts and the signing of an MM to quote the stock. Until that time CSHD will remain in a very gray area not only on the stock exchange but in the minds of investors. That's my take and I'm sticking to it.
Hey Tex!!!!!!I was just asking about you the other day, glad to see you are alive and kicking. As to your questions.
Not just a ticker change since FHAL no longer exists. Can't unring the bell. CSHD is the company and the business model. Will they do business again is in the very gray area I referred too above.
No one has heard from the SHC, except for a few who have claimed that they were misled into overthrowing Rufus. No one is saying who was responsible for the coup and I doubt anyone even knows who the SHC is or if they still exist.
The gray area here is starting to resemble a BLACK HOLE because it's seems many want to speak of inside info yet the info they give doesn't materialize. I'm still watching and learning here. Like I stated earlier I paid for the price of admission and want to see the end of the story.
GLTA Wally
Hey, Wally! hey 10!
Glad to hear it--thanks. Yup...still kickin'
What I meant by "ticker/name change" is that as I recall, filings were still going in under the "Furia" name, even though there was *supposedly* a merger--yet, that was never finalized... ie, the form (S4?) was never filed, right? So in essence, "CSHD" is really still just "FHAL," no?
Sounds like the SHC just sorta faded away...is that what you guys are thinking?
Thanks again...
Posted by wallymac on :
Hey Tex. Man it's good to see you around. No the change has not occurred as of yet from Furia but then again it never happened after FHAL took over either, Rufus had stated that it was the T/A's fault but of course one needs to take that with a grain of salt.
What's a Shareholders Committee, is that the new code for Military coup.
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Hey Mr. Tex Sir... Yes the SHC has just "faded away"...it is my understanding that "it" was good for 90 days...or something...(it states the rules in the company by laws...but I am also repeating what Portman has explained to me...and in my words not his...) Glad to see you are around Tex!
Posted by *Mag* on :
HEY THERE ............................ hugs!!!
Posted by T e x on :
o my ....
hugs from Mag, yet such formality from my old loofah pardner...
Lol...Mag, got any round-ups working? Good to see you, too, bro...
10 of FadeAways, where does Portman post nowadays? re: "company bylaws": have you seen a copy? got a link?
best wishes, all
Posted by 10of13 on :
Not sure where Portman posts...if any where... He does read here from time to time... How did I know that you would ask for a link...LOL... All that info and links were on my old 'puter...which took a dive (kinda like this stock)..perhaps someone else has them? Anyone?
Posted by T e x on :
well, if I *had* to guess, I'd guess he wound up among a rock, a hard place and a sharp spot--that was very likely a thankless, impossible job...
sorry to hear 'bout your machine...trust all back in order, now. If you get a response re links, please PM me with that...
best
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: o my ....
hugs from Mag, yet such formality from my old loofah pardner...
Lol...Mag, got any round-ups working? Good to see you, too, bro...
10 of FadeAways, where does Portman post nowadays? re: "company bylaws": have you seen a copy? got a link?
I find it very odd that Don wants to shut the message board on CSHD down at HSM {again}
Is it just me or is he showing how biased he is against Rufus?Going as far as to call him the messiah.
I went back over several pages and the only thing I could see that would upset him is that some of Rufus's fans were there and not very many of the doubters. Also, Solo had said goodbye shortly before the "announcement" He said he's done with this.Could that be part of it?
Any thoughts?
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Arrow . Tommy, I understand how you feel, but we have to look at the space here and how it can be better utilized. We are not going to be a messenger for this group to spread the word from a one sided view and feel like coming here at their choosing to post messages on a cut and paste jobbie. Let them leave and stay over there to keep each other Company as they are doing now because we do not miss the grief believe me. It makes our jobs 100% easier if they stay and chat the BS up which is what they want to hear.We have enough good members of 24,000 so we can use this space believe me. We are a major chat site so believe me, we have options for this space. I banned 2 people tonight and will I am sure ban many more here shortly. So good luck and we will keep in touch no matter what we decide.
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Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: IMO
I find it very odd that Don wants to shut the message board on CSHD down at HSM {again}
Is it just me or is he showing how biased he is against Rufus?Going as far as to call him the messiah.
I went back over several pages and the only thing I could see that would upset him is that some of Rufus's fans were there and not very many of the doubters. Also, Solo had said goodbye shortly before the "announcement" He said he's done with this.Could that be part of it?
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I saw that Oc- I compared him to Charlie Brown whinning about everyone jumping ship for the other board. And he was taking his ball and going home.....
Not those exact words but the entire thing is ridiculous.
**ninja edit** I also got banned Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Frank, I noticed alot of posts were deleted or edited after I posted the above.That way , no one knew what went on.IMO
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Frank, I noticed alot of posts were deleted or edited after I posted the above remarks HHMMMMMMMMMMM
I think just like a lot of others on this board and other boards Don's perception and mind was made up based on misinformation from a particular source.
He no longer was unbiased after his charade with Mike A and Dave P on HSM. Having them do a Q&A session on his site.
Sux that Mika A then turned out to be a POS (I say that with a sarcastic grin....due to the extra 50mil shares he dumped into the OS and lied about it) Posted by Ocqueoc on :
LOL, As you can see, I edited my post.
I never did post over there, too much BS. What Am I still doing up????
Good night to all and to all a good night.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Good morning ..... This is the kind of "stuff" that is on Rufus's board ..... Ron Burgundy wrote this "After tonight, I think everyone should be wearing a smile as we move forward.
We have a wonderful man as a leader, continue to have faith, we are almost home.
Goodnight and make it a wonderful week."
People .... DID I MISS SOMETHING ? WHY SHOULD WE HAVE A SMILE? WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT DID OUR "WONDERFUL LEADER" DO? That site is filled with this kind of stuff. Ron Burgundy is a real beauty.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Good morning Doc,
We have to believe in Rufus or
a. run and never look back, accept our loses b. hope he can pull this off
Smile anyhow, enjoy the day, be thankful for our family and friends. Money can not take them away.
p.s. How is Jenna?
Posted by thedoctor on :
Hi Ocqueoc ....... Jenna is doing fine , Thank you ..... I hope you and yours have a great day. Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hello all, just checking in. No news? Lots of Rufus bashing on crap hub. Really funny.
Later.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Strange end of day trading...Was Rufus talking somewhere?
Posted by 6digits on :
Here's the big bad comment made by Rufus on his website at 9:40 PM. It must mean that he is going to do something maybe in the next month.
sheesh...I remember that monster, now...still don't find SHC "chartered" in any way, though.
Tex! How are you my friend...long time no banter
Still hangin out watching paint dry. See where this things going.....
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex...from that link of Wally's..try here..
Exhibit 3.2
About 2/3rds the way down that filing...
Posted by T e x on :
I guess I'm simply missing it...I see a *mention* of a stockholders' committee in Ex. 3.2, Article 4, Sec 6: "CONFERENCETELEPHONE: One or more directors may participate in a meeting of the Board of a committee of the Board or of the stockholders, [bold, my emphasis -- tex] by means of conference telephone or similar communications equipment by means of which all persons participating in the meeting can hear each other; participation in this manner shall constitute presence in person . . . ."; and searches on "shareholder committee" and "stockholder committee" come up empty, for me.
Did find this unrelated item, though (Article 5, Sec 1:
quote:The Board of Directors shall fill any vacancy occurring in any office of the corporation by death, resignation, and removal or otherwise. Vacancies and newly created directorships resulting from any increase in the authorized number of directors may be filled by a majority of the directors then in office, although less than a quorum, or by a sole remaining director. If at any time, by reason of death or resignation or other cause, the corporation should have no directors in office, then any officer or any stockholder or an executor, administrator, trustee or guardian of a stockholder, or other fiduciary entrusted with like responsibility for the person or estate of a stockholder, may call a special meeting of stockholders in accordance with the provisions of these By-Laws.
So far the BOD has not complied...
Posted by fhalyesss on :
SAN ANTONIO and LAKE DALLAS, Texas, March 13 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Analytical Surveys, Inc. (ASI) (Nasdaq: ANLT), and Ecowood, Inc., today announced the execution of a letter of intent to combine the companies in a tax-free, all stock merger to form an environmentally friendly, diversified natural resource company.
The new combined company will focus on Ecowood's core business of hardwood log recovery from the Amazon River system. The recovery process not only cleanses the river system and relieves pressure on the living rainforest, but also provides high-quality, commercial hardwood logs that are used to produce furniture, hardwood floors, and other wood-based products. The combined company will continue to operate the ASI Energy business, which is focused on the discovery of oil and natural gas resources, as a wholly owned subsidiary.
Ecowood will contribute assets to the combined new company that include property, customer contracts, and exclusive licenses and permits to salvage logs from several of the major rivers in Northern Brazil, principally the Amazon River. The new company will also benefit from an existing financing package that provides access to more than $200 million for future investment and working capital.
"We are excited about the opportunities that will be made possible through the merger of these companies," said Michael Alexander CEO of Ecowood and Lori Jones, CEO of ASI in a joint statement. "Merging these companies creates a unique opportunity to establish a strong revenue stream through an environmentally responsible process that will ultimately benefit the global environment."
The companies expect to execute a definitive merger agreement by March 16. The final transaction will be subject to approval by ASI shareholders, the satisfaction of customary closing conditions and regulatory review and approvals from NASDAQ and the Securities and Exchange Commission, among others. Pending all approvals, the companies expect the transaction to be completed during the second quarter of calendar 2007.
Analytical Surveys, Inc., is a San Antonio-based oil and gas company focused on participation in non-operating exploration and production of U.S. onshore oil and natural gas reserves. ASI is headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. For more information, please visit http://www.asienergy.com.
Ecowood, Inc. was formed in February 2007 to salvage lost logs on several of the major rivers in Northern Brazil, principally the Amazon River. Over the past 300 years, a great number of logs have been lost on the way to sawmills. New technology and modern equipment now make it practical and profitable to salvage the estimated 61.4 billion cubic meters of recoverable logs from the navigable river ways. For more information, please visit http://www.soggylogs.com.
This press release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. The statements contained in this press release that are not purely historical are forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Exchange Act. When used in this press release, the words "anticipate," "believe," "estimate," "intend" and "expect" and similar expressions are intended to identify such forward-looking statements. Such forward-looking statements include, without limitation, the statements regarding the Company's strategy, future sales, future expenses and future liquidity and capital resources. All forward-looking statements in this press release are based upon information available to the Company on the date of this press release, and the Company assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. The Company's actual results could differ materially from those discussed in this press release. Factors that could cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, those discussed in Item 1. Business--"risk factors" and elsewhere in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-KSB.
Contacts: Analytical Surveys, Inc. Pfeiffer High Investor Relations, Inc. Lori Jones Geoff High Chief Executive Officer 303/393-7044 210/657-1500
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
thats www dot soggylogs dot com
Posted by new2stocks on :
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SAN ANTONIO and LAKE DALLAS, Texas, March 13 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Analytical Surveys, Inc. (ASI) (Nasdaq: ANLT), and Ecowood, Inc., today announced the execution of a letter of intent to combine the companies in a tax-free, all stock merger to form an environmentally friendly, diversified natural resource company.
The new combined company will focus on Ecowood's core business of hardwood log recovery from the Amazon River system. The recovery process not only cleanses the river system and relieves pressure on the living rainforest, but also provides high-quality, commercial hardwood logs that are used to produce furniture, hardwood floors, and other wood-based products. The combined company will continue to operate the ASI Energy business, which is focused on the discovery of oil and natural gas resources, as a wholly owned subsidiary.
Ecowood will contribute assets to the combined new company that include property, customer contracts, and exclusive licenses and permits to salvage logs from several of the major rivers in Northern Brazil, principally the Amazon River. The new company will also benefit from an existing financing package that provides access to more than $200 million for future investment and working capital.
"We are excited about the opportunities that will be made possible through the merger of these companies," said Michael Alexander CEO of Ecowood and Lori Jones, CEO of ASI in a joint statement. "Merging these companies creates a unique opportunity to establish a strong revenue stream through an environmentally responsible process that will ultimately benefit the global environment."
The companies expect to execute a definitive merger agreement by March 16. The final transaction will be subject to approval by ASI shareholders, the satisfaction of customary closing conditions and regulatory review and approvals from NASDAQ and the Securities and Exchange Commission, among others. Pending all approvals, the companies expect the transaction to be completed during the second quarter of calendar 2007.
Analytical Surveys, Inc., is a San Antonio-based oil and gas company focused on participation in non-operating exploration and production of U.S. onshore oil and natural gas reserves. ASI is headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. For more information, please visit http://www.asienergy.com.
Ecowood, Inc. was formed in February 2007 to salvage lost logs on several of the major rivers in Northern Brazil, principally the Amazon River. Over the past 300 years, a great number of logs have been lost on the way to sawmills. New technology and modern equipment now make it practical and profitable to salvage the estimated 61.4 billion cubic meters of recoverable logs from the navigable river ways. For more information, please visit http://www.soggylogs.com.
This press release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. The statements contained in this press release that are not purely historical are forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Exchange Act. When used in this press release, the words "anticipate," "believe," "estimate," "intend" and "expect" and similar expressions are intended to identify such forward-looking statements. Such forward-looking statements include, without limitation, the statements regarding the Company's strategy, future sales, future expenses and future liquidity and capital resources. All forward-looking statements in this press release are based upon information available to the Company on the date of this press release, and the Company assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. The Company's actual results could differ materially from those discussed in this press release. Factors that could cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, those discussed in Item 1. Business--"risk factors" and elsewhere in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-KSB.
Contacts: Analytical Surveys, Inc. Pfeiffer High Investor Relations, Inc. Lori Jones Geoff High Chief Executive Officer 303/393-7044 210/657-1500
Posted by new2stocks on :
lmao...I think we all posted it at the same time! Posted by new2stocks on :
ANLT(D*):NASDAQ *Financial Status Indicator is Deficient: Issuer Failed to Meet NASDAQ Continued Listing
Posted by a surfer on :
Euroclear Bank introduces unlimited collateral re-use feature - 28/02/2007
Language: English Brussels, 28 February 2007 - Effective immediately, Euroclear Bank’s triparty collateral management clients can increase the liquidity of their securities collateral by re-using these securities to cover multiple exposures arising from repos, securities lending, derivatives or other collateralised transactions with different counterparties. Currently valued at over EUR 320 billion daily, client collateral administered by Euroclear Bank, as triparty agent, represents tremendous re-use potential as clients now have the capacity to pool securities received as collateral and re-use them in any other triparty transaction.
Olivier Grimonpont, Euroclear Bank’s Director and head of Collateral Management and Securities Lending Services, stated: “Our commitment to, and dialogue with, our clients and the Collateral User Group have produced a market-driven enhancement that will offer new collateralised trading opportunities as liquidity pools swell. Our new re-use feature is an important step in supporting the general collateral repo business in Europe, allowing a greater portion of the business to be processed in a triparty environment. Indeed, only 10% of all repos in Europe are conducted with triparty collateral management support compared to an estimated 50% in the United States.”
This new re-use feature is fully automated and integrated within Euroclear Bank’s triparty collateral-management service. AutoSelect, the automatic securities allocation and monitoring module, has been upgraded to manage multiple collateral re-use possibilities within each of the 15 AutoSelect daily cycles. Collateral givers will retain full control of securities pledged as collateral, and may substitute all securities from all legs of all collateralised transactions during each and every one of the AutoSelect cycles.
Note to Editors
Triparty collateral management deals outstanding at Euroclear Bank rose by 25% to a daily average of EUR 308.7 billion at the end of 2006 compared to EUR 246 billion at the end of 2005.
Euroclear is the world’s largest provider of domestic and cross-border settlement and related services for bond, equity and fund transactions. User owned and user governed, the Euroclear group includes Euroclear Bank, based in Brussels, as well as Euroclear Belgium, Euroclear France, Euroclear Nederland and CRESTCo, the central securities depositories of Belgium, France, the Netherlands, and the UK and Ireland, respectively. Euroclear recently acquired EMXCo, the UK’s leading provider of investment-fund order routing. The total value of securities transactions settled by Euroclear is in excess of EUR 450 trillion per annum, while assets held for clients are valued at more than EUR 18 trillion. Euroclear Bank is rated AA+ by Standard & Poor’s and Fitch Ratings.
Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Guys...
New2...what is that link?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Media releases
Euroclear Bank introduces unlimited collateral re-use feature - 28/02/2007
Language: English Brussels, 28 February 2007 - Effective immediately, Euroclear Bank’s triparty collateral management clients can increase the liquidity of their securities collateral by re-using these securities to cover multiple exposures arising from repos, securities lending, derivatives or other collateralised transactions with different counterparties. Currently valued at over EUR 320 billion daily, client collateral administered by Euroclear Bank, as triparty agent, represents tremendous re-use potential as clients now have the capacity to pool securities received as collateral and re-use them in any other triparty transaction.
Olivier Grimonpont, Euroclear Bank’s Director and head of Collateral Management and Securities Lending Services, stated: “Our commitment to, and dialogue with, our clients and the Collateral User Group have produced a market-driven enhancement that will offer new collateralised trading opportunities as liquidity pools swell. Our new re-use feature is an important step in supporting the general collateral repo business in Europe, allowing a greater portion of the business to be processed in a triparty environment. Indeed, only 10% of all repos in Europe are conducted with triparty collateral management support compared to an estimated 50% in the United States.”
This new re-use feature is fully automated and integrated within Euroclear Bank’s triparty collateral-management service. AutoSelect, the automatic securities allocation and monitoring module, has been upgraded to manage multiple collateral re-use possibilities within each of the 15 AutoSelect daily cycles. Collateral givers will retain full control of securities pledged as collateral, and may substitute all securities from all legs of all collateralised transactions during each and every one of the AutoSelect cycles.
Note to Editors
Triparty collateral management deals outstanding at Euroclear Bank rose by 25% to a daily average of EUR 308.7 billion at the end of 2006 compared to EUR 246 billion at the end of 2005.
Euroclear is the world’s largest provider of domestic and cross-border settlement and related services for bond, equity and fund transactions. User owned and user governed, the Euroclear group includes Euroclear Bank, based in Brussels, as well as Euroclear Belgium, Euroclear France, Euroclear Nederland and CRESTCo, the central securities depositories of Belgium, France, the Netherlands, and the UK and Ireland, respectively. Euroclear recently acquired EMXCo, the UK’s leading provider of investment-fund order routing. The total value of securities transactions settled by Euroclear is in excess of EUR 450 trillion per annum, while assets held for clients are valued at more than EUR 18 trillion. Euroclear Bank is rated AA+ by Standard & Poor’s and Fitch Ratings.
WHOAH! Did I just see Triparty Collateral at the top of this? YES! I definately remember months ago somebody mentioned the Trilateral commission in the US government but I wonder if this is what was meant?
Posted by 6digits on :
There goes ecowood, I feel confident that we still have all the NSS stuff to depend on that Rufus puts such great confidence in as a business plan for joint mergers etc,. Ya right!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hi Guys...
New2...what is that link?
sorry link didn't work....just sec filings of Analytical Surveys Inc
Posted by new2stocks on :
Stockstar, I believe it was Tut that mentioned Trilateral.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
What's up with the volume? Already over 1 million. Double the average daily volume lateley.
Sniff, sniff, news?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Price just jumped from .08 to .13? WTF...straight up!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Good morning,
I feel like I went back in time reading that PR. about M.A. and Ecowood!
I don't give advice on stocks , but IMO, WHAT THE ?.
That is what got my family into this wayyyyyy back then. This may be a "good" thing, who's to really say. But I for one am running the other way, far away from M.A.
If and when this hits it big Anyone that made it big can rub this post in my face. I for one smell something, oh ya, It starts with a P. and a D. In my opinion ONLY!{second thought, if the smell is right could make money at first}
For any newbie's , please do as much D.D. as you can before getting into ANY stock.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Trying to find news and nothing! Nothing in the news, wires, SEC or CSHD website.
Ran across this old info though:
Insider Activity for Alexander, Michael D Transaction Date Transaction Type Ownership Type Market Value Shares Price Range Total Holdings January 17, 2007 Exercise of Stock Options Direct $500.0K 50,000,000.00 $0.01 - 0.01 11,934,800.00
Looks like M.A. sold 500K worth of options and still owns a tone of stock. Maybe he used the money from the sale to finance the Ecowood work. ??
Dig people, dig.
Posted by new2stocks on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Stockstar69: [qb] Trying to find news and nothing! Nothing in the news, wires, SEC or CSHD website.
Ran across this old info though:
Insider Activity for Alexander, Michael D Transaction Date Transaction Type Ownership Type Market Value Shares Price Range Total Holdings January 17, 2007 Exercise of Stock Options Direct $500.0K 50,000,000.00 $0.01 - 0.01 11,934,800.00
Looks like M.A. sold 500K worth of options and still owns a tone of stock. Maybe he used the money from the sale to finance the Ecowood work. ??
Explanation of Responses: 1. Gifting of shares to various charity, non-affiliate entities and/or non-affliates. 2. Result of sale by Paula Alexander. 3. Total of $2,500,000 shares held jointly by Michael Alexander and Paula Alexander after the sale on 08/18/2006. 4. Acquisition a result of conversion of convertible preferred stock issued to Michael D. Alexander as chief Executive Officer on 12/30/2004. Preferred stock converted at a ratio of 100 common shares to 1 preferred share. 5. Conversion of preferred stock to common stock at a ratio of 100 common shares to 1 preferred share.
Posted by Jenna on :
New2- look closely at the link you posted; there is the word repo in it....HaHa....isn't that your favorite person? Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: New2- look closely at the link you posted; there is the word repo in it....HaHa....isn't that your favorite person?
yeah I saw that! LMAO! No, I have a new "favorite" person now who is much lower than Repo.
Posted by new2stocks on :
per griff on pro boards:
There is an attorney and the default has been answered; that is a fact, it just hasn't been announced. The default isn't on Pacer because it hasn't been filed with the court yet. If there was a massive exit of shareholders, why would Rufus say there is 6000 of us? I think we are seeing the shorts covering which I think is part of a deal that will bring us great things. I also think we are very close to getting ONE FELL SWOOP as Rufus always said would happen.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Analytical Surveys plans all-stock merger with Ecowood By Simon Kennedy Last Update: 6:18 AM ET Mar 13, 2007
ANLT ) said it has agreed a letter of intent to execute an all-stock merger with Ecowood Inc. to create a diversified natural resources group. ("Ecowood salvages hardwood logs lost on the way to sawmills in the Amazon"). Analytical surveys said Ecowood will contribute assets including property and salvaging rights and added the new company will have access to more than $200 million for future investment and working capital. The firms expect to execute a definitive merger agreement by March 16 and expect the transaction to be completed in the second quarter of 2007.
I got a question anyone know if ecowood ever harvested any logs? I think it's kind of like how much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Analytical Surveys plans all-stock merger with Ecowood By Simon Kennedy Last Update: 6:18 AM ET Mar 13, 2007
ANLT ) said it has agreed a letter of intent to execute an all-stock merger with Ecowood Inc. to create a diversified natural resources group. ("Ecowood salvages hardwood logs lost on the way to sawmills in the Amazon"). Analytical surveys said Ecowood will contribute assets including property and salvaging rights and added the new company will have access to more than $200 million for future investment and working capital. The firms expect to execute a definitive merger agreement by March 16 and expect the transaction to be completed in the second quarter of 2007.
I got a question anyone know if ecowood ever harvested any logs? I think it's kind of like how much wood would a wood chuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood.
Log harvesting has been going on since 1998. If you research the licenses you see they have a fixed volume of logs the license is registered for.
The volume of logs needed to create a million dollars of gross profit prob takes quite some time (Considering the 5.00 per board foot price).
Which explains why this "lottery ticket" has been unclaimed for quite some time.
Anothing thing to note that makes me think this entire Ecowood portion stinks is the fact they can just "lose" the 4 Trillion dollars that they PR'd worth of Carbon Credits.....that smells a bit fishy Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I think this is now spinning out of control. More out of contrl than it was before.
LMAO bigtime!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Oh, and they are going nuts on Craphub again...
Posted by SherriT on :
Always something new in the CSHD thread....
Posted by new2stocks on :
For the people who think the volume is up due to shorts covering, think hard, why would the PPS be down then? .....sounds like the opposite; people getting out while they still can..... Posted by Jenna on :
...so who is CSHD's lawyer?.....do we know?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: For the people who think the volume is up due to shorts covering, think hard, why would the PPS be down then? .....sounds like the opposite; people getting out while they still can.....
Can shorts even cover on the greys?
Posted by Jenna on :
Almost triple the daily volume...
Posted by milliam on :
New2...the link doesn't work for me. Can you tell me the headline for the story...I think I can find it that way.
Thanks!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Good morning,
I feel like I went back in time reading that PR. about M.A. and Ecowood!
I don't give advice on stocks , but IMO, WHAT THE ?.
That is what got my family into this wayyyyyy back then. This may be a "good" thing, who's to really say. But I for one am running the other way, far away from M.A.
If and when this hits it big Anyone that made it big can rub this post in my face. I for one smell something, oh ya, It starts with a P. and a D. In my opinion ONLY!{second thought, if the smell is right could make money at first}
For any newbie's , please do as much D.D. as you can before getting into ANY stock.
Well Mom, i dont see mention of CSHD in any of that so i dont see it as good news. I see that i bought shares in a company planning to get logs from the Amazon and later it was spun off and i was left with nothing but a grey sheet stock with no obvious business plan.
If Ecowood attempts this after blatantly LYING about CEOTA i will spend my evenings on their message board schooling folks on what they are getting themselves into. My biggest fear for quite some time was that Alexander would somehow weasel out of this.
I sincerely hope im wrong and news comes out that CSHD will still be handling Ecowoods assets, otherwise bye bye to the logs
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: New2...the link doesn't work for me. Can you tell me the headline for the story...I think I can find it that way.
try that and scroll down until you find the PHantom Shares story. Posted by new2stocks on :
Sorry thought this was funny....
Posted by PCola77 on :
yes, shorts can cover on the greys, they just buy shares. Shorts can't be CREATED on the greys. Or so they say.
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: For the people who think the volume is up due to shorts covering, think hard, why would the PPS be down then? .....sounds like the opposite; people getting out while they still can.....
Can shorts even cover on the greys?
Posted by new2stocks on :
http://tinyurl.com/3bvsuh Watch the Bloomberg TV Naked Shorting News Report here
Posted by new2stocks on :
PCola, thanks for clearing that up for me! Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks PCola....you are hot... Posted by thesource on :
I'm going to check out ASI energy tomorrow . Maybe Mike A will be there and I can kick him in the nuts while I'm there .
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I'm going to check out ASI energy tomorrow . Maybe Mike A will be there and I can kick him in the nuts while I'm there .
ROFLMAO!!! Kick him for me too:)
Posted by Murnak on :
Maybe SPR tonight!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Murnak: Maybe SPR tonight!
Yup, the word is 8pm. I suspect a bit of a tease though, if there truly IS something around the corner i feel we arent going to be told about it yet.
I hope he gives us at least a little to go by. Im sorta done with riddles and guessing games
Posted by Jenna on :
Hard to believe something is about to happen when there is no lawyer....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
no Jenna haven't you heard there is a lawyer and the default's been answered. I can't count how many times that one's flown around on the rumour mill I hope it's true. We just haven't seen any proof yet
Posted by Jenna on :
Ryan LOL- that's what I mean...HaHa...that's what we hear but like that lady used to say in the '80's, "Where's the beef?"
*note* you could also substitute beef for proof* Posted by Jenna on :
I don't think I will be listening to SPR tonight guys, not in the mood, so sorry, I will not be transcribing....
We found out today my husband lost his job.... Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Is that Griff guy over at HSM the one that is leading the latest rumor mill? He "appears" to have found something but doesnt want to share what he found or where? He has my attention but i really dont want to create an HSM account just to inquire further.
I guess we might know soon enough.......soon heh, what a word
Posted by Jenna on :
I don't even care what is going on- just anyone - someone get us back up to $4.00 again...ok..ok..I'll take $2.50....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I don't think I will be listening to SPR tonight guys, not in the mood, so sorry, I will not be transcribing....
We found out today my husband lost his job....
Oh Jenna I am so sorry to hear about that! My prayers are with you and your family!
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks New2....
Hopefully we will be ok....I'm going to pick up more hours at work...being a nurse that's easy...
....as for my hubby he was making a lot of money at his job so it's going to be hard for a while but he has a ton of sales experience, and a 4 year degree, so he's going to try for Pharmaceutical or Medical sales....
It's weird, used to be you could work at the same company for 30 years but no more....very sad...
I really need something to happen for us with CSHD....come on guys & gals let's squeeze, maybe if we hug real tight & pray we can get back to the OTCBB again....gees, there I go dreaming again!!!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
good luck jenna
Posted by RichBy26 on :
Sorry to hear about your husband Jenna, my thoughts and prayers are with you and your family
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks guys....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Rufus is hackin' on Ecowood pretty heavily...maybe i wont need to go on a smear campaign after all. LOL
Posted by Jenna on :
He used to use Ecowwod to pump CSHD....didn't he? Do you guys think he is scared because Mike brought Ecowood elsewhere & Ecowood was the reason for a lot of people buying into CSHD? Any thoughts?
Oh my goodness, could this be the beginning of the end?
Posted by Jenna on :
Someone slap me....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
No, i dont believe so. He has commented on the lack of value placed on sunken logs and his dislike for Letter of Intents. He might be getting to a thoery, i cant tell. Lets watch and see if Ecowoods LOI comes to fruition or not. Im curious.
When i called Rufus the first time (late July) he said at that time the log deal wasnt what they hoped it would be. Listening to him tonight i might know what he meant. I believe he has also eluded to NOT being involved with the PR released about Ecowood back some months ago....regarding the carbon credits
Posted by Jenna on :
Why hasn't the new BOD been 8k'ed, wasn't that supposed to be done within 5 days?
Posted by 10of13 on :
-Nothing has gone south between Rufus and Mike? Rufus has nothing against Mike...not sure if Mike has something against Rufus... Rufus has no clue how Mike feels... Rufus has no clue how JA feels... He hasn't spoken to anyone...
-Grey stock market has already traded the float...the grey sheets don't trade like that
-you either hate him or you love him...make your choice...he's here until the end.
-800 million in audited financials...what happened to the auditor? why haven't they areested him?
-Romeo is not a member of the BOD...but if he was needed Rufus feels that he could call him
_the default has not been answered...there is nothing to answer...
Posted by Jenna on :
_the default has not been answered...there is nothing to answer...
HHHMMMM not what Alana said but I'd like to hear more.....
***Good Job 10, thanks***
Posted by thesource on :
Jenna , the beggining of the end was last year when this thing was haulted . This is closer to the end of the end .
And for whats its worth , Ecowood is just another bogus company Mike setup . I'm going to do some heavy digging on the company named in the PR today . I also plan to send them a very detailed email about who they are dealing with and the whole CSHD deal incase they don't know about it .
Posted by Jenna on :
Source, how is your suit going? Have you heard anything?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Jenna , the beggining of the end was last year when this thing was haulted . This is closer to the end of the end .
And for whats its worth , Ecowood is just another bogus company Mike setup . I'm going to do some heavy digging on the company named in the PR today . I also plan to send them a very detailed email about who they are dealing with and the whole CSHD deal incase they don't know about it .
Thank God, something ELSE to keep you busy! Posted by Jenna on :
Today, 09:06 PM #4151 Just4Fun HSM Addict
Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: The Bar Posts: 1,587 attorney not hired
Posted by 10of13 on :
- Rufus says that he does not need to answer anything...he gave the SEC what they asked for...
- Rufus claims that the time frames are not his...the shareholders will get to vote on things...but the timing is not up to him...he has handed the paperwork off to the correct people and it is up to them to "do their job"..
-Deal with it or leave the stock...period...
-he has not allowed the attorney to move forward...none of our business as to if there is a lawyer?
Done listening.here guys..have fun..nothing coming of this show tonight... See yah!!
Posted by thesource on :
I agree with Rufus on the fact that there is nothing to answer on the default . Every single suit I've been involved with has never needed an answer to a default judgement . Its a default meaning everything asked was granted . I think the things that CSHD needs to address is their fraudulant filings and to provide what ever it is the SEC was granted by the default .
The problem is that its a damned if you , damned if you don't situtation . If Rufus admits to the fraud , he screwed but CSHD might have a chance to trade again . If he does not admit to the fraud , CSHD is screwed and will continue where it is at .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Source, how is your suit going? Have you heard anything?
I have not filed yet , all of the paper work is done though . My reasons for not filing yet are kind of complicated but I do not feel like the timing is exactly right yet . Once a few more cards are revealed , I will make my decision to go foward or back off .
Posted by Jenna on :
Well good luck.....
Posted by Jenna on :
I think us shareholders should get an attorney to represent the company....how can we go about doing that?
Posted by thesource on :
File a class action suit .
Posted by Jenna on :
OK- who's going to start it? ...Source? What do ya say?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
bah i was replying to a post that apparently has been deleted......ignore this Posted by thesource on :
I'll pass on the class action , there's no real money it after the lawyers take their fee . I'm gonna go solo on this one if I decide to go on it at all .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ok, i was actually responding to your other posts thesource. I keep hearing about class actions but no one ever says what the charges would be. Im very curious because i want to know what we can do that the SEC (with ALL of our documents) can not do
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..How about a class action against the SEC?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL..How about a class action against the SEC?
On what grounds ? They halted a scam company and you lost money from it ? Stand in line with the others that were in the 35 co's from the other day .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL..How about a class action against the SEC?
On what grounds ? They halted a scam company and you lost money from it ? Stand in line with the others that were in the 35 co's from the other day .
Those 35 the other day were halted for completely different reasons. And to answer your question, yes because they "shut down" our company and many people lost money...and so far have proven NOTHING!
Posted by 10of13 on :
thesource? My frustration is not that the SEC halted the trading of the stock...but that they "allow" it to retrade and "find" nothing? to me? that seems screwed up...If the SEC halts...they should halt for GOOD or if nothing has been found then let it go back to where it was with a public statement stating that nothing "wrong" was found...they left the stock in "limbo"...how is that "protecting the shareholders"?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Heh Simon is kickin his butt over the $15 a share now. Its good to see Simon pushing a bit, sometimes he just sits there and accepts the free advertising for his show
Posted by 10of13 on :
Cat? I think that people are tired of hearing the crap from Rufus and Simons regulars don't want to hear it anymore...
Posted by 10of13 on :
so far the only thing that has come of this show..is...
1)Rufus said that the float was 31m in the float...Wattle increased the float to 48m...
2) there is no lawyer and the default has not been answered...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
10 I applaud Simon for it, i wish he would do it more. Im tired of 2 hour interviews with 10 minutes of facts.
I still believe Rufus has a point...someplace, but "The Riddler" has gotten old even for me
Posted by 10of13 on :
I agree Cat...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Posted by thesource on :
Guys , its not the SEC fault this is haulted . I know you are pissed and have every right to be . Some of you lost a very large amount of money in it . I lost $7500.00 in it myself .
The person at fault here is and always has been Rufus . Its not the NSS'ers or the SEC or even the bashers . If the assets were real and Rufus had them setup so only he could pull the trigger on them then where's the problem ? <b>If the SEC comes knocking at the door , show them the proof with your lawyer present </b>. If thats not enough then deal with it as it is dealt . Don't be a dumb azz with no attorney on hand and tell them to take you to court . Thats what they do every day for a living and obviously didn't have a problem doing it to CSHD .
This problem is the bonds are not owned by CSHD or Rufus Harris . This was an elaborate scam to take advantage of greedy traders , gullible investors and any one else that happened to get in the trap when it closed . In the end , anyone left in the trap when it closed is SOL . I just think he thought the trap would stay open alot longer than it did and the PPS would infact reach $15.00 or more on MOMO . Mike A. on the other hand was taking his money on the run up .
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Where's my 6:1? Where are the bonds? Where's our Proxy? Where's the Lawyer? Where's our CEO? Hell... Who's our CEO?
Rufus is saying to sue the TA for our 6-1? Oh my gosh...I have to sue someone in order to get a divi?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Rufus said that the "PR blitz" that was meant to happen would have been how much money was allocated to each JV. FWIW
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: thesource? My frustration is not that the SEC halted the trading of the stock...but that they "allow" it to retrade and "find" nothing? to me? that seems screwed up...If the SEC halts...they should halt for GOOD or if nothing has been found then let it go back to where it was with a public statement stating that nothing "wrong" was found...they left the stock in "limbo"...how is that "protecting the shareholders"?
I agree with you . The SEC should be able to slam the doors shut and go after those responsible for the scam . I was told by a person with the Texas Security Enforcement commision that our only hope as a group is for CSHD's assets to be put into receivership . Once this is done , the person in charge of the receivership would distribute the assets accordingly if there are enough to go around .
Posted by 10of13 on :
thesourse? I disagree with you on some of your "points"...the SEC did nothing for the shareholders...didn't even proove if it was a scam...the SEC didn't do their job period...IMHO
the post above this? "go after the peeps that "did" the scam"?
the point is the SEC can't find if there was a pump and dump or a scam...hense the problem...
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Where's my 6:1? Where are the bonds? Where's our Proxy? Where's the Lawyer? Where's our CEO? Hell... Who's our CEO?
Rufus is saying to sue the TA for our 6-1? Oh my gosh...I have to sue someone in order to get a divi?
Damn I think Rufus is getting to be more full of $hit everytime he opens his mouth .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: thesourse? I disagree with you on some of your "points"...the SEC did nothing for the shareholders...didn't even proove if it was a scam...the SEC didn't do their job period...IMHO
They do not have to prove anything , its up to CSHD to back up their claims . IMO , I think this is just the tip of the iceberg for this company . I've heard rumors of a grand jury indictment coming together . Those are only done in FELONY cases . I have a feeling the FBI is going to clean house with Rufus's azz . The share holders won't get anything out of it but I don't think there's anything to get out it anyways . This company is broke .........
Posted by 10of13 on :
Well the Source...we shall see if the SEC or FBI ever does squat...but so far...I have seen notta!
Posted by thesource on :
Most of the investigations take time with the government . Hell my wife got a speeding ticket last October and we are still waiting to go to court on it . Thats a local JP issue .....
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Most of the investigations take time with the government . Hell my wife got a speeding ticket last October and we are still waiting to go to court on it . Thats a local JP issue .....
yup...and that's a simple traffic ticket. This thing, on the other hand, has more facets than a fancy-cut diamond...
Posted by 10of13 on :
HIYA TEX!
fancy-cut diamond and CSHD in the same sentence? what's the world comin' to?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: thesourse? I disagree with you on some of your "points"...the SEC did nothing for the shareholders...didn't even proove if it was a scam...the SEC didn't do their job period...IMHO
the post above this? "go after the peeps that "did" the scam"?
the point is the SEC can't find if there was a pump and dump or a scam...hense the problem...
10. You are exactly right. The SEC is the one that has drooped the ball. They are the agency responsible for suspending trading. They are the ones that are claiming Fraud and that it was a Pump and Dump. Yet they are the people that have failed to find the Dump. Is it because they went in with a preconceived notion of who was guilty and since they haven't found it where they thought they would, have thrown their collective hands up in the air and stopped looking?
They have had ample time to prove their case and put CSHD in receivership. Why haven't they? Looking at it logically, it would seem that the SEC is dependant upon the company they charge with helping them prove their case. Since Rufus and CSHD have not answered the SEC does nothing and the stock continues to trade. PR's are issued and they do nothing.
I may not like the position Rufus is stating, that the SEC is the entity claiming fraud so let them use their resources to find it and take action against it. I mean why should the company and the shareholders foot the bill for them?
We have heard of the FBI being involved in investiagting this yet have heard nothing of any charges being filed. Once again WHY?
I too am tired of the Rufus crumbs that are thrown out there and think that he and the company have a responsibility to US shareholders. That being said, Way back when this suspension first happened after doing my research, I found that it would take between 6 months to a year before there would be resolution. We are still within that time frame.
Hopefully things are moving forward, however, I won't believe anything unless in the form of a court ruling or Letter from the SEC.
GLTA Wally
Posted by trade04 on :
hey guys hows it hanging? i got a nice little pick im confident will do well this month WITM..read the prs =)
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: HIYA TEX!
fancy-cut diamond and CSHD in the same sentence? what's the world comin' to?
OK, I shoulda said, "more angles than geometry class." Lol, like that better?
For real, I get where you and Wally are coming from re the SEC...but it helps to frame it in historical perspective. In the "old days," the SEC could -- and did -- put companies in "virtual lockdown" via an endless series of 10-day suspensions, issued one after another, with little or no further info re: those subsequent suspensions. It took court action, in the 1970s (I believe), to restrict them to their current model in which subsequent suspensions require new reasons/info/etc...
Here, it is the company and RPH in particular who have elected to say nothing--formally, legally--and thereby let the defaults keep trading restricted to greys... How is the SEC at fault for that?
As far as "protecting investors," unfortunately that doesn't, in general, mean those who have already gotten into something, but instead those many more who might get caught up in a "snowball" of accelerated trading frenzy...in other words, a geometrically larger number of bagholders...
Shoot, I can think of some that I wish woulda had nearly the same chance to run (or even half) before getting whacked...and if there was a way to ensure the bagholders would be crooked MMs--wow! great, lol. Of course, that's not gonna happen: as we know, it tends to be the less sophisticated and more gullible who dive in at the end, when the deep end of the pool suddenly turns into the shallow end...
Posted by 10of13 on :
I stopped listening to SPR...Rufus made comment about the daytraders "manipulating stocks" and how he says daytraders are wrong... I almost always daytrade or swing trade...holding these damn pennies is stupid...BUT because of Rufus and his mouth and the "don't sell" BS that he was talking..I held...AFTER protecting my capital AND taking some profits(thank God)...
BUT my point was that it is the very thing that happened with CSHD that stop people from "investing" in these pennies...fear of the scam or of the SEC halt or the pump and dump..all of it...and yet Rufus has the nerve to "put some blame" on the daytraders? Saying that Daytraders are wrong? Rufus? BITE ME! You sir are a Jack AZZ! Seems he is trying to blame everyone for things that he may have been able to control... I still say the SEC too is to blame for the loss that I have...the SEC, Rufus and my own stupidity for "listening" to a man I don't know tell me not to sell...to hold! I knew better...I should have sold it all and NOT bought back in...BUT it is the learning/lesson that I am paying for...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Trade? WITM is a great flipper...!!! But I am not holding it...I am DAYTRADING IT! LOL!
Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Trade? WITM is a great flipper...!!! But I am not holding it...I am DAYTRADING IT! LOL!
also a great hold, both ways will make you money...flip it to the TOP of 3 bucks
Posted by Jenna on :
Humble- if you are there....how do you feel about getting your certs now?
...I hear even the Rufus fans are fed up now....
....sorry all, I guess we all should have sold back in September when it was climbing everyday....oh that's right we were to scared to sell...afraid we would miss out on that "reset"...very, very, sad....
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
to
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: thesourse? I disagree with you on some of your "points"...the SEC did nothing for the shareholders...didn't even proove if it was a scam...the SEC didn't do their job period...IMHO
the post above this? "go after the peeps that "did" the scam"?
the point is the SEC can't find if there was a pump and dump or a scam...hense the problem...
10. You are exactly right. The SEC is the one that has drooped the ball. They are the agency responsible for suspending trading. They are the ones that are claiming Fraud and that it was a Pump and Dump. Yet they are the people that have failed to find the Dump. Is it because they went in with a preconceived notion of who was guilty and since they haven't found it where they thought they would, have thrown their collective hands up in the air and stopped looking?
They have had ample time to prove their case and put CSHD in receivership. Why haven't they? Looking at it logically, it would seem that the SEC is dependant upon the company they charge with helping them prove their case. Since Rufus and CSHD have not answered the SEC does nothing and the stock continues to trade. PR's are issued and they do nothing.
I may not like the position Rufus is stating, that the SEC is the entity claiming fraud so let them use their resources to find it and take action against it. I mean why should the company and the shareholders foot the bill for them?
We have heard of the FBI being involved in investiagting this yet have heard nothing of any charges being filed. Once again WHY?
Io am tired of the Rufus crumbs that are thrown out there and think that he and the company have a responsibility to US shareholders. That being said, Way back when this suspension first happened after doing my research, I found that it would take between 6 months to a year before there would be resolution. We are still within that time frame.
Hopefully things are moving forward, however, I won't believe anything unless in the form of a court ruling or Letter from the SEC.
GLTA Wally
Wally and 10, I agree with you. Why did the sec. jump on this so quick? AND didn't Rufus try to get this halted so it wouldn't be on the grey's? and he was denied?
As you stated, we need confirmation from the court or sec.
Right or wrong, I do blame a lot of this mess on the sec.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I stopped listening to SPR...Rufus made comment about the daytraders "manipulating stocks" and how he says daytraders are wrong... I almost always daytrade or swing trade...holding these damn pennies is stupid...BUT because of Rufus and his mouth and the "don't sell" BS that he was talking..I held...AFTER protecting my capital AND taking some profits(thank God)...
BUT my point was that it is the very thing that happened with CSHD that stop people from "investing" in these pennies...fear of the scam or of the SEC halt or the pump and dump..all of it...and yet Rufus has the nerve to "put some blame" on the daytraders? Saying that Daytraders are wrong? Rufus? BITE ME! You sir are a Jack AZZ! Seems he is trying to blame everyone for things that he may have been able to control... I still say the SEC too is to blame for the loss that I have...the SEC, Rufus and my own stupidity for "listening" to a man I don't know tell me not to sell...to hold! I knew better...I should have sold it all and NOT bought back in...BUT it is the learning/lesson that I am paying for...
Please take a "chill pill ha-ha", have a drink or go outside and walk around your house 3 times. I don't want you having a stroke over this. Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Is that Griff guy over at HSM the one that is leading the latest rumor mill? He "appears" to have found something but doesnt want to share what he found or where? He has my attention but i really dont want to create an HSM account just to inquire further.
I guess we might know soon enough.......soon heh, what a word
Cat, Griff post on HSM and Rufus's board. He acts likes he is in on everything.
Now I do not know this person and they could know what they are talking about, but I have read far too much of "know-boat" bs, to listen to anyone!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Humble- if you are there....how do you feel about getting your certs now?
...I hear even the Rufus fans are fed up now....
....sorry all, I guess we all should have sold back in September when it was climbing everyday....oh that's right we were to scared to sell...afraid we would miss out on that "reset"...very, very, sad....
I see more people fed up with the timeline not being lined up with their "Make millions" lottery ticket not paying off as quick as initially anticipated.
Its not that some feel wronged at the DD they did before buying....its more just angry because they wanted to get the $$ faster.
Some are just tired of waiting.
-fw Ps Hi everyone I am not one of the above mentioned.
Posted by wallymac on :
This is extremely interesting. Whether or not it has anything to do with CSHD or not is debatable. It is definately worth the 30 minutes to watch it.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Humble- if you are there....how do you feel about getting your certs now?
...I hear even the Rufus fans are fed up now....
....sorry all, I guess we all should have sold back in September when it was climbing everyday....oh that's right we were to scared to sell...afraid we would miss out on that "reset"...very, very, sad....
I see more people fed up with the timeline not being lined up with their "Make millions" lottery ticket not paying off as quick as initially anticipated.
Its not that some feel wronged at the DD they did before buying....its more just angry because they wanted to get the $$ faster.
Some are just tired of waiting.
-fw Ps Hi everyone I am not one of the above mentioned.
I'm not sure it's just tired of waiting but a lack of honesty and communication. At least that is the theme I'm getting from reading several different boards.
When the CEO makes claims that an event is going to happen within a certain time period and continually Fails To Deliver, it has the same effect on share holder confidence that NSS has on stocks. They both plummett. Everyone who has had control of this stock, Rufus, Mike and John have up until now Failed To Deliver. Mike took the company and handed it back to Rufus, John through his mouthpiece James Gee, spoke of a trip to Germany that would net funding to go forward and a profitable Joint Venture only to come back state health concerns and drop it back in Rufus's lap. Rufus continues to insert his foot in his mouth by creating self-imposed deadlines and the Pacer watch and flipflopping on the Attorney question that only creates Fear Uncetainty and Doubt.
What event has transpired since the SEC stepped in and Suspended the company that could be construed as good news? Nothing I can think of. In fact if it wasn't for the rumor mill the light at the end of the tunnel would be no where in sight.
No the shareholders cannot be blamed for being discourged especailly when you throw in the SEC and FBI not showing any progress. Which does make me think of something. The SEC policy is not to respond to any question during an ongoing investigation. Since Alana Black has seen fit to answer many questions posted by many individuals on message boards I would have to assume that there is no longer an ongoing investigation. Why is she talking if the investigation is ongoing.
Lastly, Why does anybody believe that the Naked Shorts have to be covered? According to RegSho, once a stock reaches the threshold new naked short positions cannot legally be taken. All positions prior to the stock becomming a Threshold Security don't have to be covered. There are stocks that have been on the RegSho list for over 400 days, more than a year. the deck is stacked against a win Vs NSS, just ask Patrick Bryne of Overstock he has been fighting it since 2005.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: to
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: thesourse? I disagree with you on some of your "points"...the SEC did nothing for the shareholders...didn't even proove if it was a scam...the SEC didn't do their job period...IMHO
the post above this? "go after the peeps that "did" the scam"?
the point is the SEC can't find if there was a pump and dump or a scam...hense the problem...
10. You are exactly right. The SEC is the one that has drooped the ball. They are the agency responsible for suspending trading. They are the ones that are claiming Fraud and that it was a Pump and Dump. Yet they are the people that have failed to find the Dump. Is it because they went in with a preconceived notion of who was guilty and since they haven't found it where they thought they would, have thrown their collective hands up in the air and stopped looking?
They have had ample time to prove their case and put CSHD in receivership. Why haven't they? Looking at it logically, it would seem that the SEC is dependant upon the company they charge with helping them prove their case. Since Rufus and CSHD have not answered the SEC does nothing and the stock continues to trade. PR's are issued and they do nothing.
I may not like the position Rufus is stating, that the SEC is the entity claiming fraud so let them use their resources to find it and take action against it. I mean why should the company and the shareholders foot the bill for them?
We have heard of the FBI being involved in investiagting this yet have heard nothing of any charges being filed. Once again WHY?
Io am tired of the Rufus crumbs that are thrown out there and think that he and the company have a responsibility to US shareholders. That being said, Way back when this suspension first happened after doing my research, I found that it would take between 6 months to a year before there would be resolution. We are still within that time frame.
Hopefully things are moving forward, however, I won't believe anything unless in the form of a court ruling or Letter from the SEC.
GLTA Wally
Wally and 10, I agree with you. Why did the sec. jump on this so quick? AND didn't Rufus try to get this halted so it wouldn't be on the grey's? and he was denied?
As you stated, we need confirmation from the court or sec.
Right or wrong, I do blame a lot of this mess on the sec.
Quick? Lol...the GVRP suspension was quick, BCIT was fairly quick--this one had a pretty good run, actually...not in terms in CMKX, perhaps, but still weeks and weeks of the some of the wildest goings-on imagineable... The SEC's confirmation is self-evident: it listed some questions/concerns, and rather than "put up" the company/CEO chose not to respond.
And, yup, the CEO at the time made some noise about it all being "part of the plan," but it takes extravagance even beyond his to imagine a company's inviting an SEC suspension for any good reason. Might make for a good Grisham-style novel--but the trouble in real life is profound...for a company that really wants to trade elsewhere than greys.
Remember, at bottom line, this was a toxic-finance deal...in that light, suspension may well have been part of the plan... After all, Alexander is still pursuing a "tax-free merger," and Harris is still spouting off on SPR...
Posted by wallymac on :
Tex,
I'm not as familiar with the companies you mention. Where they filed against in court alledging fraud and Pump and Dump?
Where I'm comming from with this is the fact that they went to Federal Court. I'm just saying that usually when charges are filed the ducks are somewhat in a row.
I do agree with you and have stated so in the past, that it was assine to want the company suspended.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Tex,
I'm not as familiar with the companies you mention. Where they filed against in court alledging fraud and Pump and Dump?
Where I'm comming from with this is the fact that they went to Federal Court. I'm just saying that usually when charges are filed the ducks are somewhat in a row.
I do agree with you and have stated so in the past, that it was assine to want the company suspended.
GLTA Wally
Wally, I don't recall the wording in the suspensions, but both involved fake shares of some stripe or another... GLUV/GVRP/MAMG apparently was shooting for the then gold medal of PnDs (1:6.5m r/s, leaving 11 shares; followed by a 3m:1 F/S), but *maybe* got derailed by the broker who eventually settled with the SEC; BCIT apparently got hijacked (Pino was involved) and the hijacker(s) entered bogus stock into the market, along with PnD-type announcements. The only court case I'm aware of was state court (Oklahoma), and since then the company *seems* to have satisfied requirements to trade again, including an MM's filing the necessary 211 paperwork...but for whatever reason is still idle...big mystery why still idle.
So, ya...back to your point: Yes, apparently the Feds need to feel very secure about their ducks.
For example--and particularly galling to me personally:
1-a) a bunch of us warned not only the company and the TA but ALSO the SEC and NASD in time to suspend GLUV/GVRP before billions of shares erroneously traded
1-b) NASD/NASDAQ *insisted* the splits had been handled properly ...
2) ... yet apparently helped broker the "resolution" of yet ANOTHER split, a 1:3m R/S--which was effected without any a priori dailylist posting...AND NO PRICE ADJUSTMENT
3) In BCIT's case, the company warned reg authorities a good month (as I recall) before any action was taken that someone had misrepresented the company and entered bogus shares into the market. What ensued looked to many traders like a short squeeze (similar to the PAIV deal), but a really good run got "cut short" when brokerages suddenly restricted trading. The suspension followed within a day or two...after it was TOO LATE for many traders to either buy OR sell--in other words, brokerages effected their own "halt," which, so far, continues...
By way of contrast, although both cases illustrate egregious flaunting of regs and damage to the trading public, neither involved the degree of outlandish, numerous, repeated, chronic claims and obfuscation that characterize this play. In that light, it *is* surprising it ran as long it did/does...
re: "planned suspnsion" ... ya--as far as I can tell, RPH is one of those guys who, no matter what happens, takes the position it was always part of the plan.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Stock Momma? I'm not going to have a stroke over this silly stock...I was venting last night...lOL..That stops the strokes...
Rufus really served no "purpose" on that show last night...He says that the "needed" paper work is where it should be and the time frame is not up to him...but up to the others involved..what ever that riddle means...
I'm here until the "real fat lady sings"..who ever that is... Posted by new2stocks on :
On March 2, while reporting on CNBC Cramer stated that “When you are a bear you try and knock the stock down, you pick up the phone and make calls and say blah blah blah, Star is going out of business, and blah blah blah, Mack is filing for bankruptcy. It is very easy to spread those rumors. Is it illegal? When your firm is on the line you tend to do questionable things.” The caption to this report was Cramer sees Bear Raid.
I didn't think we have to sue the TA for the 6:1. That sounds like the company's responsibility anyway to me. Horse$hit Harris is the one who said we would receive it. Recently he said we would vote on it in some proxy that was suppose to show up in Feb. To me he always looks like he wants to pass the buck to someone else to cover the fact that he didn't plan this company as well as he bragged that he did.IMO.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
10, IMO he came on last night to bash Mike Alexanders new merger "Letter of Intent". Now, although im quite comfortable with his decision to do so the following hour and a half was a TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! Rufus should publicly apologize for giving people the impression that he actually had something of value to discuss last night.
Id like to mention (although most know) ive been a Rufus supporter all along because ive always believed he had some cards left to be played. Well, im done playing his card game and its time he either shows his cards or FOLDS HIS HAND!
After sleeping on it ive come up with a question. How difficult is it for us shareholders to find out who the "true" majority shareholders are? How can we as shareholders but MUCH more pressure on getting FACTS?!
Rufus was asked last night if we had a lawyer and he responded "none'ya bizznis". Rufus my friend you sir are an idiot! We are a public company now and he is still in the private company state of mind. I guess the hostile takeover wasnt a good enough wake up call. He was asked about the proxy....declined comment.
He says the paperwork is in the proper hands. Ok folks...DOCUMENT! If thats true then the date should be on the paperwork when it finally becomes public knowledge correct?
I wont listen to another Rufus / SPR interview. I still have not and will not sign on to his POS message board. We either have a business plan with assets or we dont....and so far he hasnt convinced me of either.
Posted by 10of13 on :
.13 Posted by RichBy26 on :
I agree Mr.CAT, I've had enough of the shoveling of SH!T that Rufus continues to sling. Thanks to everyone who posted last nights SPR interview. I have come to the sad conclusion that my stock cert is only worth a hard $20K lesson (not to mention the $5K of CSHD still sitting in my brokerage account). I plan on framing my CSHD stock cert and putting it on my wall next to my degrees and awards. It cost me just as much as my degrees and I learned a hard, but valuable lesson from it. GLTA, wake me up if we ever get out of this mess:) Posted by thesource on :
It was a very hard lesson learned .
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: [excerpted]
After sleeping on it ive come up with a question. How difficult is it for us shareholders to find out who the "true" majority shareholders are? How can we as shareholders but MUCH more pressure on getting FACTS?!
from the bylaws:
quote:ARTICLE VII
- CORPORATE RECORDS
Section 1 Any stockholder of record, in person or by attorney or other agent, shall, upon written demand under oath stating the purpose thereof, have the right during the usual hours for business to inspect for any proper purpose the corporation's stock ledger, a list of its stockholders, and its other books and records, and to make copies or extracts there from. A proper purpose shall mean a purpose reasonably related to such person's interest as a stockholder. In every instance where an attorney or other agent shall be the person who seeks the right to inspection, a power of attorney or such other writing, which authorizes the attorney or other agent to so act on behalf of the stockholder, shall accompany the demand under oath. The demand under oath shall be directed to the corporation at its registered office in this state or at its principal place of business.
Taking advantage of that provision would be a good thing, for many people, I believe...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Tex....perfect thanks!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: .13
Hit .13 yesterday also before going back down.
STRANGE!
Posted by Jenna on :
Somebody shoot this thing and put it out of it's misery.... OOps did I say that out loud? Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hi there Jenna!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Tex, that is actually pretty interesting. I wonder if anyone here or elsewhere has the time/energy/funds to take a shot at something like that.
Posted by T e x on :
Ya...longshot, though. When emotions are high, lottsa folks claim the wherewithal...
Best bet would be for a group of interested folk to pool funds and send somebody with a modicum of savvy...just copy *everything* ... then the group could could each consult whomever, once the copies are in hand. Wouldn't have to cost much, that way...although I'd budget for the legalities to force the company to comply with its bylaws...
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex- It would have to be a shareholder in Georgia right? I know Milliam is there...anyone else?
Hi Stock Momma!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Tex- It would have to be a shareholder in Georgia right? I know Milliam is there...anyone else?
Hi Stock Momma!
you mean, to keep expenses down? or cuz that's what the bylaws require?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Where is everyone...Let me guess, The stock jumped to $15.00 per share and they all had heart attacks.
Wait, that means I'm a Milliona.....ahhh, ohh
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Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...Stockstar you're a nut!..
Posted by TexasMoney on :
Didn’t you hear? The big celebration party moved from Vegas. Everyone is on the mother ship at ludicrous speed heading to Uranus. It was going to be the moon, but CSHD colonized it and now it is overpopulated.
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Where is everyone...Let me guess, The stock jumped to $15.00 per share and they all had heart attacks.
Wait, that means I'm a Milliona.....ahhh, ohh
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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: Didn’t you hear? The big celebration party moved from Vegas. Everyone is on the mother ship at ludicrous speed heading to Uranus. It was going to be the moon, but CSHD colonized it and now it is overpopulated.
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Where is everyone...Let me guess, The stock jumped to $15.00 per share and they all had heart attacks.
Wait, that means I'm a Milliona.....ahhh, ohh
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Glad we all have such a great sense of humor! WE NEED IT!
I wonder if the CSHD ship is powered by the methane from all the BS which gets shoveled around here? Posted by new2stocks on :
SEC's Cox "SHO has proven insufficient to stop the problem"
http://www.the sanitycheck.com/ B logs/Dave Patchs b l o g /tabid/66/EntryID/586/ Default.aspx
take out spaces.....
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Make some of your money back on ETIM...It's been flying.
Eternal Image's First Run of Major League Baseball(TM) Urns Nearly Sold out During Pre-Order Period 12:30 PM ET - BusinessWire Eternal Image, Inc. (OTC: ETIM.PK), a public company engaged in the design, manufacturing and marketing of brand image caskets and urns, today announced that it has nearly sold-out its first run of Major League Baseball(TM) urns through pre-orders by distributors and funeral homes.
"Our pre-orders have been so strong that we have begun the next production run of the first eight urns a full two months early," said Clint Mytych. "We expect our next order to be available to distributors and funeral homes in mid-May - and we have more than doubled the production of the initial order."
Eternal Image has just begun filling orders for the first run of urns to distributors and funeral homes this month.
The company does not expect the additional manufacturing order to impact the design and tooling schedules for the next 12 urns or the first eight caskets, both scheduled to debut this September. It will continue to take orders for the line as well as its other lines on the company's website (www.eternalimage.net)
The urn line includes eight MLB(TM) Clubs (Atlanta Braves, Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, and St. Louis Cardinals). Urns and caskets featuring the balance of 22 teams will launch in late 2007 and through 2008.
About Eternal Image
Eternal Image, founded in 2002, is headquartered in Farmington Hills, MI. The company is the first and only manufacturer and marketer of licensed brand image funerary products. Currently, the company offers urns and caskets that feature licensed images from Major League Baseball(TM), Precious Moments(TM) and the Vatican Library Collection(TM), as well as pet urns featuring the American Kennel Club(TM) and the Cat Fanciers' Association(TM). For more information about EI, visit www.eternalimage.net or call 1-888-6-CASKET.
Posted by TexasMoney on :
Wow! Now I will have something cool to hold my CSHD certificates remains after I pull them out of the fireplace.
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Make some of your money back on ETIM...It's been flying.
Eternal Image's First Run of Major League Baseball(TM) Urns Nearly Sold out During Pre-Order Period 12:30 PM ET - BusinessWire Eternal Image, Inc. (OTC: ETIM.PK), a public company engaged in the design, manufacturing and marketing of brand image caskets and urns, today announced that it has nearly sold-out its first run of Major League Baseball(TM) urns through pre-orders by distributors and funeral homes.
"Our pre-orders have been so strong that we have begun the next production run of the first eight urns a full two months early," said Clint Mytych. "We expect our next order to be available to distributors and funeral homes in mid-May - and we have more than doubled the production of the initial order."
Eternal Image has just begun filling orders for the first run of urns to distributors and funeral homes this month.
The company does not expect the additional manufacturing order to impact the design and tooling schedules for the next 12 urns or the first eight caskets, both scheduled to debut this September. It will continue to take orders for the line as well as its other lines on the company's website (www.eternalimage.net)
The urn line includes eight MLB(TM) Clubs (Atlanta Braves, Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, and St. Louis Cardinals). Urns and caskets featuring the balance of 22 teams will launch in late 2007 and through 2008.
About Eternal Image
Eternal Image, founded in 2002, is headquartered in Farmington Hills, MI. The company is the first and only manufacturer and marketer of licensed brand image funerary products. Currently, the company offers urns and caskets that feature licensed images from Major League Baseball(TM), Precious Moments(TM) and the Vatican Library Collection(TM), as well as pet urns featuring the American Kennel Club(TM) and the Cat Fanciers' Association(TM). For more information about EI, visit www.eternalimage.net or call 1-888-6-CASKET.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Tex- It would have to be a shareholder in Georgia right? I know Milliam is there...anyone else?
Hi Stock Momma!
you mean, to keep expenses down? or cuz that's what the bylaws require?
I was actually thinking that would be best 'cause it would be easy...as far as keeping cost down...yeah that would be nice too , 'cause we are all broke now.... Posted by thesource on :
Maybe Rufus is next on the FBI's list . Jim Plant got popped today .........
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Tex- It would have to be a shareholder in Georgia right? I know Milliam is there...anyone else?
Hi Stock Momma!
you mean, to keep expenses down? or cuz that's what the bylaws require?
I was actually thinking that would be best 'cause it would be easy...as far as keeping cost down...yeah that would be nice too , 'cause we are all broke now....
wellllll, "easy" wouldn't be as important as efficient, if you catch my drift...
Really, step one would be figuring out where to send 'em...last I knew, the HQ was moved back to Texas, right?
Step two would be to round up a group who would seriously consider putting in, say, $50 apiece to fund the "expedition."
Step three would be the group's agreeing on criteria/props for whomever they send...
etc, etc...
Seriously, I doubt it could be pulled together: it's easy to talk about miracle payoffs but difficult to get any "committee" to do actual work. This started cuz Catia wanted to know, and I knew, so I told him...
Of course, if I can help, I will... lol, I think it'd be a blast to see someone enforce that provision.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Go head and laugh...ETIM was just on TV. I have never seen a stock like this, even when CSHD was doing good. ETIM is NUTS...In a good way.
quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: Wow! Now I will have something cool to hold my CSHD certificates remains after I pull them out of the fireplace.
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Make some of your money back on ETIM...It's been flying.
Eternal Image's First Run of Major League Baseball(TM) Urns Nearly Sold out During Pre-Order Period 12:30 PM ET - BusinessWire Eternal Image, Inc. (OTC: ETIM.PK), a public company engaged in the design, manufacturing and marketing of brand image caskets and urns, today announced that it has nearly sold-out its first run of Major League Baseball(TM) urns through pre-orders by distributors and funeral homes.
"Our pre-orders have been so strong that we have begun the next production run of the first eight urns a full two months early," said Clint Mytych. "We expect our next order to be available to distributors and funeral homes in mid-May - and we have more than doubled the production of the initial order."
Eternal Image has just begun filling orders for the first run of urns to distributors and funeral homes this month.
The company does not expect the additional manufacturing order to impact the design and tooling schedules for the next 12 urns or the first eight caskets, both scheduled to debut this September. It will continue to take orders for the line as well as its other lines on the company's website (www.eternalimage.net)
The urn line includes eight MLB(TM) Clubs (Atlanta Braves, Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, and St. Louis Cardinals). Urns and caskets featuring the balance of 22 teams will launch in late 2007 and through 2008.
About Eternal Image
Eternal Image, founded in 2002, is headquartered in Farmington Hills, MI. The company is the first and only manufacturer and marketer of licensed brand image funerary products. Currently, the company offers urns and caskets that feature licensed images from Major League Baseball(TM), Precious Moments(TM) and the Vatican Library Collection(TM), as well as pet urns featuring the American Kennel Club(TM) and the Cat Fanciers' Association(TM). For more information about EI, visit www.eternalimage.net or call 1-888-6-CASKET.
Posted by T e x on :
there's an ETIM thread, right? Posted by a surfer on :
Underwater log recovery....
The lumber industry is going under
By Andrew Snyder, Volume Spike Alert
What if I told you I knew of a company that could cut down an entire forest, wipe it clean, and never displace a deer, bear, endangered owl or any other animal?
You’d probably call me crazy. The environmentalists out there would say it is impossible. After all, every tree is home to countless living organisms.
If you do not believe it, you are wrong. Triton Logging is doing it right now, and the company is doing it for less money than it takes its clear-cutting competitors. While traditional lumber harvesters sell their product for about $50 per cubic yard, Triton hits the market at around $40.
How does it do it? It goes underwater.
Since the beginning of the 20th century, this country has been building dams on any body of water large enough to turn a mill’s wheel or spin a turbine. Many of the dams went up so quick, the builders never bothered to clear the land they intended to flood. The building spree created over 45,000 submerged forests across the globe.
Until recently, those trees were looked at as nothing more than fish havens. Now, Triton sees an underwater gold mine. That is why it created the Sawfish, a timber-harvesting feat of engineering.
The massive remotely operated submersible saw, complete with a 54-inch saw blade, can quickly cut down nearly any submerged tree, attach an airbag to it, and shoot it to the surface. Once there, the log is treated as any other freshly harvested tree. The only difference is underwater trees require slightly longer drying times, for obvious reasons.
On the surface, this harvesting method sounds far too complicated and expensive to be worthwhile. After all, this continent is loaded with forests. Don’t tell that to Triton. The company is getting rich by selling “environmentally friendly” wood. Its harvesting technique is clean, quiet, and most people never know it is happening.
In a world where just about anything remotely edible comes in non-organic and exponentially pricier organic versions, the market for Triton’s unique product is overwhelming.
The company is selling its wood -- at a premium, mind you -- to all sorts of clientele, from eco-friendly homebuilders to upper-end retailers.
Unfortunately, the Triton Logging Company is privately owned. But it may not stay that way for long. This company has a very unique stance in an extremely lucrative industry. If it can prove its business model and long-term profitability, the sky is the limit.
Companies like Universal Forest Products (UFPI:NASDAQ) and Trex Inc. (TWP:NYSE) could view Triton’s unique brand as a valuable addition to their product portfolio.
Soon, Wall Street profits are going to be a lot harder to uncover. It will be a stock picker’s market. When it is, it will take a unique eye to uncover niche businesses like Triton and the profit potential they contain.
Keep a sharp lookout for companies in similar positions. Soon, their shares will be selling for dramatically less. As soon as they are, swoop in and buy them. If you don’t the smart money will.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Go head and laugh...ETIM was just on TV. I have never seen a stock like this, even when CSHD was doing good. ETIM is NUTS...In a good way.
quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: Wow! Now I will have something cool to hold my CSHD certificates remains after I pull them out of the fireplace.
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Make some of your money back on ETIM...It's been flying.
Eternal Image's First Run of Major League Baseball(TM) Urns Nearly Sold out During Pre-Order Period 12:30 PM ET - BusinessWire Eternal Image, Inc. (OTC: ETIM.PK), a public company engaged in the design, manufacturing and marketing of brand image caskets and urns, today announced that it has nearly sold-out its first run of Major League Baseball(TM) urns through pre-orders by distributors and funeral homes.
"Our pre-orders have been so strong that we have begun the next production run of the first eight urns a full two months early," said Clint Mytych. "We expect our next order to be available to distributors and funeral homes in mid-May - and we have more than doubled the production of the initial order."
Eternal Image has just begun filling orders for the first run of urns to distributors and funeral homes this month.
The company does not expect the additional manufacturing order to impact the design and tooling schedules for the next 12 urns or the first eight caskets, both scheduled to debut this September. It will continue to take orders for the line as well as its other lines on the company's website (www.eternalimage.net)
The urn line includes eight MLB(TM) Clubs (Atlanta Braves, Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, and St. Louis Cardinals). Urns and caskets featuring the balance of 22 teams will launch in late 2007 and through 2008.
About Eternal Image
Eternal Image, founded in 2002, is headquartered in Farmington Hills, MI. The company is the first and only manufacturer and marketer of licensed brand image funerary products. Currently, the company offers urns and caskets that feature licensed images from Major League Baseball(TM), Precious Moments(TM) and the Vatican Library Collection(TM), as well as pet urns featuring the American Kennel Club(TM) and the Cat Fanciers' Association(TM). For more information about EI, visit www.eternalimage.net or call 1-888-6-CASKET.
I think ETIM has diluted the living chit out of their stock. As long as it goes up, nobody cares.
Posted by T e x on :
ya...seen that before, eh?
Posted by thesource on :
I think you are right about ETIM , cassity . Its just on a good MOMO run right now . I sold out all but 50K shares of it today .
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: ya...seen that before, eh?
I guess I shouldn't talk, I was fooled by a redneck for 4 months!! DOH!!!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Make some of your money back on ETIM...It's been flying.
Eternal Image's First Run of Major League Baseball(TM) Urns Nearly Sold out During Pre-Order Period 12:30 PM ET - BusinessWire Eternal Image, Inc. (OTC: ETIM.PK), a public company engaged in the design, manufacturing and marketing of brand image caskets and urns, today announced that it has nearly sold-out its first run of Major League Baseball(TM) urns through pre-orders by distributors and funeral homes.
"Our pre-orders have been so strong that we have begun the next production run of the first eight urns a full two months early," said Clint Mytych. "We expect our next order to be available to distributors and funeral homes in mid-May - and we have more than doubled the production of the initial order."
Eternal Image has just begun filling orders for the first run of urns to distributors and funeral homes this month.
The company does not expect the additional manufacturing order to impact the design and tooling schedules for the next 12 urns or the first eight caskets, both scheduled to debut this September. It will continue to take orders for the line as well as its other lines on the company's website (www.eternalimage.net)
The urn line includes eight MLB(TM) Clubs (Atlanta Braves, Boston Red Sox, Chicago Cubs, Detroit Tigers, Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees, Philadelphia Phillies, and St. Louis Cardinals). Urns and caskets featuring the balance of 22 teams will launch in late 2007 and through 2008.
About Eternal Image
Eternal Image, founded in 2002, is headquartered in Farmington Hills, MI. The company is the first and only manufacturer and marketer of licensed brand image funerary products. Currently, the company offers urns and caskets that feature licensed images from Major League Baseball(TM), Precious Moments(TM) and the Vatican Library Collection(TM), as well as pet urns featuring the American Kennel Club(TM) and the Cat Fanciers' Association(TM). For more information about EI, visit www.eternalimage.net or call 1-888-6-CASKET.
Let me guess, Everyone is dying to get in this stock
Sorry, I couldn't resist.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: ya...seen that before, eh?
I guess I shouldn't talk, I was fooled by a redneck for 4 months!! DOH!!!
Yeah that jackass conned a lot of people .....
Posted by Jenna on :
Good one Stock Momma!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by Ocqueoc on :
This is from ********s100
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator ***** CSHD Chairman member is offline
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Chairman & CEO
[aim] [email] [send pm]
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 362 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 350 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, March 16th « Reply #73 on Today at 7:18am » [Quote] Shareholders, Some of you have asked how can you help the Corporation
Are you Ready to make your stand in the market, then let it began TODAY?
HOLD your ground till reinforcements arrive!!
Set your PRICE and insist on it in the market place, What ever it may be!
Resist the temptation of low prices, DO NOT BUY!! Repeat
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: This is from ********s100
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator ***** CSHD Chairman member is offline
[avatar]
Chairman & CEO
[aim] [email] [send pm]
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 362 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 350 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, March 16th « Reply #73 on Today at 7:18am » [Quote] Shareholders, Some of you have asked how can you help the Corporation
Are you Ready to make your stand in the market, then let it began TODAY?
HOLD your ground till reinforcements arrive!!
Set your PRICE and insist on it in the market place, What ever it may be!
Resist the temptation of low prices, DO NOT BUY!! Repeat
What is that even supposed to mean? Don't buy at low prices because that will raise the value of the shares? Rufus is a crackhead.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by unclerudy:
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: This is from ********s100
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator ***** CSHD Chairman member is offline
[avatar]
Chairman & CEO
[aim] [email] [send pm]
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 362 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 350 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, March 16th « Reply #73 on Today at 7:18am » [Quote] Shareholders, Some of you have asked how can you help the Corporation
Are you Ready to make your stand in the market, then let it began TODAY?
HOLD your ground till reinforcements arrive!!
Set your PRICE and insist on it in the market place, What ever it may be!
Resist the temptation of low prices, DO NOT BUY!! Repeat
What is that even supposed to mean? Don't buy at low prices because that will raise the value of the shares? Rufus is a crackhead.
I don't know what is going on unless he is trying to create a short squeeze causing them to cover at higher prices.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: This is from ********s100
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator ***** CSHD Chairman member is offline
[avatar]
Chairman & CEO
[aim] [email] [send pm]
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 362 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 350 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, March 16th « Reply #73 on Today at 7:18am » [Quote] Shareholders, Some of you have asked how can you help the Corporation
Are you Ready to make your stand in the market, then let it began TODAY?
HOLD your ground till reinforcements arrive!!
Set your PRICE and insist on it in the market place, What ever it may be!
Resist the temptation of low prices, DO NOT BUY!! Repeat
OH, so now we don't buy the crap out of it?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by unclerudy: ]What is that even supposed to mean? Don't buy at low prices because that will raise the value of the shares? Rufus is a crackhead. [/QB]
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Posted by 3403 on :
Yes Rufus, I will remember your name an mug (shot)for a long time....
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
FYI, I don't know if you guys are interested in what is said on R"s board? If you prefer me to not mention anything from there , please tell me and I will stop.I check out several different ones {thanks to all the good people on here that got me addicted}
Any way , it is being said that 2 different sec.names are showing up over there.They have not posted, just showed they were logged in at different times. Rufus said the IPS? {is that correct} addresses are confirmed.
Like I said , please tell me to stop posting stuff from there if it is upsetting to anyone. You guys know by now that I am not a basher or pumper, just a bored old lady, reading! Ha-HA
Posted by RyanPBF on :
nah keep posting it. If nothing else at least for a laugh
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
There are a lot of P'd off folks out there and for good reason, but this message board IS for reporting what is or could be happening with CSHD.
Please continue to post any new findings that may be affecting this stock. Help keep others informed that may not visit other boards if it is relevant.
Thanks.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Ocqueoc Please continue to post the needed stuff...over here...some people don't go to the other site..and some can't get to it...of find it...or don't want to sign up over there to read all the BS that most of those posters post...
Thank you Momma!
Posted by thesource on :
I seriously doubt Rufus is smart enough to track the IP's back to the SEC .
$10.00 says one of them is mine . I have sat. internet and my location varies from day to day on tracking software . Its kind of cool I guess .....
Posted by T e x on :
Oh, well...he could have someone do it...
Isn't the real point... who cares? SEC already won discovery--would it be a shocker if they decided to monitor that web site? Vice-versa, if [ * cue spooky music * ] someone else were spoofing as though they were SEC, would that be a shocker? I mean given the gamut of emotions here, would that change anything?
Posted by 10of13 on :
This is rather "odd"...BUT? It is RPH and CSHD.... From the RPH site...(yes momma...I figured it out...thank you) RPH also claims that there have been 3 attempts on his life...
Author Topic: Saturday, March 17th (Read 3,243 times) Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 380 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 369 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Saturday, March 17th « Reply #172 on Today at 5:50pm »
Today at 3:00pm, yedder wrote:TonySoprano is leaking again. This was in the ecowood thread. It might be a good idea to get Rufus side of the story since we all were led to believe he was going to answer the default.
As for ANLT, though, I had a telephone conversation with Messrs. Perley and Alexander about 6 weeks ago, when they were still trying to do something positive with CSHD, and they indicated that they had successfully raised $100M in a bond for Ecowood. I have not spoken with them since (or before that single conversation in any detail) but, when I saw the Ecowood-ANLT merger announcement and the 8K yesterday it confirmed that this had happened (actually, $200M) and I sold off 1/2 of my soon to be worthless CSHD shares to buy ANLT.
I posted the above about the phone conversation with Mike and Dave because, since it was before they were involved with a public company, I don't believe it is considered inside information. I can also now say that Harris the Scammer did everything possible to screw over the shareholders on CSHD; it amazes me how the 'faithful' continue to think he will lead them to the promised land. He had made a bunch of commitments to others within the company (including Sabra) about how things would be handled once Arlitt resigned and each one has been broken, including his disappearance for two days before the Monday when the SEC response was supposed to be filed. I was told that Sabra, Ben, and the attorney were waiting at the courthouse for Harris the Scammer and he not only never showed but was unreachable for the entire day. Very similar to the way he stonewalled the SHC before the vote in November. This is a very sick, delusional person and needs some serious medication as soon as possible after his ass is in jail for a long time (which of course will probably never happen because most of us will have moved on by then and his Kool aid drinkers will never admit he is full of crap, even after they finally are led off the cliff).
I hereby request an voluntary affidavit concerning you statements!
Please send it Harris*cshd.us
SEC boys if you read this, this is your man
Would everyone please send this post to Alana Black at the SEC!!
You see, My one responsibility in all of this since the SEC charges, was to get to the bottom of any wrong doing, taking names is what I have been doing.
Needed to find out “What, When and Where!!”
Who can tell me where you first saw those words!
GODSPEED « Last Edit: Today at 6:00pm by Rufus Paul Harris » Link to Post - Back to Top Logged
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
Posted by T e x on :
only three?
not being sarcastic...
actually, that's interesting that he reports so low, imo...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Serious Tex? That doesn't suprise you that there have been attempts? Doesn't sound like threats but "attempts"... I must be very sheltered...I found it frightening...that there were "attempts"...
People know where this man lives and where his children work and go to school...it is this fact that either: A) convinces me that he is telling the truth and all that he says is "true" or?
B)He IS a complete NUT CASE and should be locked up for no other reason than his families safety...
Now if we could just figure out which it is...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Sir; If I do something there is always a reason; Want to know why I did that?;
It had been said that I come on here to pump the stock; and that the volume was proof
Well I told you not to Buy and what was the Volume that day!
Kind of smart was it not or maybe another perfect trap!!
Don’t forget I have been through this crap before, this time I have got the crooks numbers
While we are setting here on the Grey’s our darn company has traded its float, They have no fear of their actions, Why is that?
Who in the USA has no fear of legal repercussions from their actions? GODSPEED
RPH posted that on his board... does anyone know the answer to the question?
OR? Is "the person" just not IN the US?
OK...done for the night...have a good one all...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Sir; If I do something there is always a reason; Want to know why I did that?;
It had been said that I come on here to pump the stock; and that the volume was proof
Well I told you not to Buy and what was the Volume that day!
Kind of smart was it not or maybe another perfect trap!!
Don’t forget I have been through this crap before, this time I have got the crooks numbers
While we are setting here on the Grey’s our darn company has traded its float, They have no fear of their actions, Why is that?
Who in the USA has no fear of legal repercussions from their actions? GODSPEED
RPH posted that on his board... does anyone know the answer to the question?
OR? Is "the person" just not IN the US?
OK...done for the night...have a good one all...
not following this train of thought...
bless you, 10--simply not following this angle.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Serious Tex? That doesn't suprise you that there have been attempts? Doesn't sound like threats but "attempts"... I must be very sheltered...I found it frightening...that there were "attempts"...
People know where this man lives and where his children work and go to school...it is this fact that either: A) convinces me that he is telling the truth and all that he says is "true" or?
B)He IS a complete NUT CASE and should be locked up for no other reason than his families safety...
Now if we could just figure out which it is...
agreed...attempts is worse than threats.
Must assume that "attempts" have been documented... reasonably speaking, so have all threats...
so, public record, I'm thinking
Posted by thesource on :
I think thats another Rufus whopper .......
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex? Bless me? I was just wondering what he might have meant by that question... Or is who ever he is referring to not even in the US..like hedgefunds...or blah blah blah..or what he might be trying to refer to..I don't get it... and as for the documented attempts? i have no clue...just reposting what RPH said...might be something worth digging up to see if they were documented or a "complaint" of some sort filed...
Hey thesource...i see you were the third ban over there...doubt you will miss an awful lot...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Serious Tex? That doesn't suprise you that there have been attempts? Doesn't sound like threats but "attempts"... I must be very sheltered...I found it frightening...that there were "attempts"...
People know where this man lives and where his children work and go to school...it is this fact that either: A) convinces me that he is telling the truth and all that he says is "true" or?
B)He IS a complete NUT CASE and should be locked up for no other reason than his families safety...
Now if we could just figure out which it is...
That's the Million Dollar question. I have long thought that either Rufus is on the up and up and is being truthful or utterly insane.
I still can't come up with the answer to that question.
Though I'm beginning to lean toward the though of insane. Posting on his board for people to not buy the stock, IMO, could easily be construed as an attempt to manipulate the market which is illegal. So it doesn't surprise me that the SEC could have showed up to document it and keep an eye on things.
As far as the alledged attempts on his life, if true I would think a police report would be filed and it would show up on the local newspaper blotter. Haven't felt industrious enough to check since no one from the company has given me any reason to see a change in direction for CSHD. Even if Rufus is telling the truth about the attempts on his life it does nothing to get the company trading on any exchange other than where we now are.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
well rufus... I wouldn't say a pump to sell... as I am not an insider... however, you telling all not to buy, says of another spin.
[b]All I am saying is that the 6:1 cannot be ineffect until all is resolved by the courts, sec and filings... all of which are still not settled. Once they are, can you in effect declare an effective date there after as to when the 6:1 will go into effect and not a day earlier. Thus, if we start buying cheaper shares now, it will only be to our advantage if and when all is settled.
So, you can take that for what its worth....
Sir; If I do something there is always a reason; Want to know why I did that?;
It had been said that I come on here to pump the stock; and that the volume was proof
Well I told you not to Buy and what was the Volume that day!
Kind of smart was it not or maybe another perfect trap!!
Don’t forget I have been through this crap before, this time I have got the crooks numbers
While we are setting here on the Grey’s our darn company has traded its float, They have no fear of their actions, Why is that?
Who in the USA has no fear of legal repercussions from their actions?
GODSPEED
http://www.cvsu.prob oards100.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1174162269&page=12#11 74179121
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
OOPS,
Sorry, I should have read the board better. Didn't mean to re-post one that 10 already did.
Hope everyone is enjoying their Sunday!
Posted by betting babe on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I still can't come up with the answer to that question.
Though I'm beginning to lean toward the though of insane. GLTA Wally
...round and round and round the question goes...
will rufus be sportin' a new white jacket for spring?
~BB
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Howdy stranger, how have you been? Missed seeing you on here BB,hope to chat with you some time Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Suprised we aren't subpenny yet....I think we dont see any real action from Rufus again..probably laughing at us as he gets a slap on the wrist.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I still can't come up with the answer to that question.
Though I'm beginning to lean toward the though of insane. GLTA Wally
...round and round and round the question goes...
will rufus be sportin' a new white jacket for spring?
~BB
Hey there! You think that jacket would go Ok with his cowboy hat? Posted by new2stocks on :
The Men Who Don't Fit In*
Robert W. Service
There's a race of men that don't fit in, A race that can't stay still; So they break the hearts of kith and kin, And they roam the world at will. They range the field and they rove the flood, And they climb the mountain's crest; Theirs is the curse of the gypsy blood, And they don't know how to rest. If they just went straight they might go far; They are strong and brave and true; But they're always tired of the things that are, And they want the strange and new. They say: "Could I find my proper groove, What a deep mark I would make!" So they chop and change, and each fresh move Is only a fresh mistake.
And each forgets, as he strips and runs With a brilliant, fitful pace, It's the steady, quiet, plodding ones Who win in the lifelong race. And each forgets that his youth has fled, Forgets that his prime is past, Till he stands one day, with a hope that's dead, In the glare of the truth at last.
He has failed, he has failed; he has missed his chance; He has just done things by half. Life's been a jolly good joke on him, And now is the time to laugh. Ha, ha! He is one of the Legion Lost; He was never meant to win; He's a rolling stone, and it's bred in the bone; He's a man who won't fit in.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Posted by T e x on :
lol, 10...
I thought it was a pretty good poem...
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
10, That was brought over from R"s board. I thought it was weird. Glad you liked it Tex. It was worth new's time.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: 10, That was brought over from R"s board. I thought it was weird. Glad you liked it Tex. It was worth new's time.
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...Tex...I wasn't saying it was "bad"...But I was wondering what it had to do with this..Now I see...It's just CSHD!
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
There were two comments made by Rufus on the other board that may be applicable to some peoples questions about how much longer shareholders may have to wait as well as what has he been doing for the last several months. Here are his comments:
Comment #1 (answering blinddeafdumb's question on how he plans on clearing up the mess of the illegal shares):
RUFUS: We lock up the Aholes that sold them and anyone that spread insider information in the assistance of such activity.
You see every since the SEC Halted trading, the only thing I have been doing is taking names!
People are going to go to Jail, The hardest thing for me has been to judge the men/women involved.
I have waited on the SEC and Court to perform that task! I do have the authority and evidence to force the issue; Drop the Bomb, per say.
If is a really Hard decision to make; families are effected, children loss their mother or father.
But I have also come to realize that it is necessary before this company can proceed successfully, that is the answer that the court is looking for, WHO SOLD THE SHARES!"
Comment #2 (about how long he thinks it will take to clean the mess up):
RUFUS: I have been working on the Fix, Very short term, I have designed a Fix with a Total time frame of 45-55 Days from first execution.
... Rufus did not go into any detail about the "first execution". Question still remains, when will the "first execution" take place?
Take it for what it's worth...
Posted by T e x on :
unadulterated donkey brayings... for one, what authority? last I saw, there's no CEO...
for two, before the company can proceed, there's those defaults and filings sitting on the shelf, collecting dust...so 45-55 days is begging the question: beginning when?
will say this though: who in the company sold shares into the run(s) really *is* legit... Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: 10, That was brought over from R"s board. I thought it was weird. Glad you liked it Tex. It was worth new's time.
It was my poem, it was posted via me from paltalk
Posted by T e x on :
kewl
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: unadulterated donkey brayings... for one, what authority? last I saw, there's no CEO...
for two, before the company can proceed, there's those defaults and filings sitting on the shelf, collecting dust...so 45-55 days is begging the question: beginning when?
will say this though: who in the company sold shares into the run(s) really *is* legit...
I agree. The default must be answered and the filings brought upto date prior to any positive movement forward. As to the 45 to 55 days, If it's Rufus time then I guess it will be 6 more months, probably right before the 1 yr time limit for answering.
Who in the company sold shares prior to the SEC action is a very legitimate area of investigation.
I've said it before and will say it again: I don't believe any of the officer's of this company nor the people who post inside info. Not one of them know anything. Not Rufus, Mike, John, Randy, Dave or their mouthpieces. I amend that. The ones who do know what happened are only leaking and saying whatever serves their personal purpose.
I'm pretty sure that the SEC and FBI aren't even sure who did what yet. They just know that somebody did something illegal.
GLTA Wally
Posted by new2stocks on :
From pro boards Today at 12:41am, concarne wrote:
Convertible hedges are closed out by zeroing out each side of the trade. As are all hedges.
Longs are sold, shorts are bought. Sometimes at the same time - at the time of conversion.
If convertible financing produces shares above and beyond the original hedge, they are sold before washing the original hedge to maximize profits on the short.
In theory.
That's how the convertible game works.
Do you see irony in "conversion solutions" as a name?
Couldn't be.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Here is a link to the conversations from last night on the probards A must read from 12:13 AM to 1:58 AM
. . . .Just wondering??? this PR cites that Ecowood, Inc. has been formed in February 2007.......Is this corporation also a privatley held entity, like Ecowood LTD was identified to be in last October's PR?
See..."October 3, 2006 - 4:50 PM EDT Ecowood, LTD. Announces Change in Management and Stock Structure LAKE DALLAS, Texas, Oct. 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Ecowood, LTD., a Lake Dallas-based company via Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD), announces the addition of Michael Alexander as the Chief Executive Officer, President and Chairman of the Board. Mr. Alexander has also become the majority shareholder of Ecowood, LTD."
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey All,
Miss you guys....been working a lot!!! Talk to you soon.....
Jenna
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hey all of the recent comments from Rufus are working. We are at .02 YAY!
Im sure its all part of the plan Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Looks like someone needed $2.50 really bad.
Posted by unclerudy on :
Looks like XKEM is knocking on CSHD's door. Next AGHD or whatever it is called will be trying for par of my worthless stock.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey All,
Miss you guys....been working a lot!!! Talk to you soon.....
Jenna
Jenna I hope all is well with you! Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Is it normal for it to drop .05, from a volume of only 125?
Posted by new2stocks on :
CRAMER REVEALS A BIT TOO MUCH!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
It's truly ashame what is happenning to CSHD.
Rufus, or whoever the current management is, just does not seem to care.
Now if a press release comes out soon and the price gets back up to a normal level, I apologize for the former statement but until then...
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
At .02 now. Buy the crap out of it? Wait, Rufus said don't buy it.
Wait, who am I? How did I get here? Where are my pants? Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Somebody just did buy the crap out of it!
The price doubled, now at .04, WOW!
OK, now do it again. Do I hear .08?
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO...keep the pants on and get the bidding going higher wouldya stockstar?!!!
Posted by trade04 on :
you all are NUTS
Posted by new2stocks on :
Hmm seems our portman has moved on to different things....
LMAO what moron is investing in a company that has mike alexander as CEO....hes pulling off the same log crap pump. WOW
Posted by T e x on :
your link(s) indicate Portman taking a position in Ecowood?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Portman? dude? why? What are you doin'? sleep walkin'? ?...buddy wake up!!!... you are goin' from one really BAD dream to a nightmare...(Ok..maybe the other way around)!!! WAKE UP and it will all be OK...LOL
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Hmm seems our portman has moved on to different things....
for those link-impaired of us, can someone please post the text-copy...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
hahah that company is a joke, maybe it will have a great pump job and hit $4...but it would have to claim 50 billion in assets. OOps i forgot the ecocredits are worth over a trillion...hahahah
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: for those link-impaired of us, can someone please post the text-copy...
Not anything to post in "text" really. There is a board on I HUB for ANLT, the Ecowood merger company, and "PA Portman" is the moderator.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: hahah that company is a joke, maybe it will have a great pump job and hit $4...but it would have to claim 50 billion in assets. OOps i forgot the ecocredits are worth over a trillion...hahahah
lol, I get that...just wondering about Portman's post(s)...does it seem like he's jumped in whole-hog?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: hahah that company is a joke, maybe it will have a great pump job and hit $4...but it would have to claim 50 billion in assets. OOps i forgot the ecocredits are worth over a trillion...hahahah
lol, I get that...just wondering about Portman's post(s)...does it seem like he's jumped in whole-hog?
Yup looks like he jumped in big. may be a huge mistake, he better sell on the pump this time. I thought he learned his lesson already.
Posted by *Mag* on :
TEX take some of that junk mail out of your PM box; I can't get through lol
Posted by T e x on :
sorry...backed up--will do
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex? Portman is a "mod" over at the Ickhub...and care to guess what stock? Follow the MA trail and you can guess what "river" he is up...maybe they can make paddles of some sort with that wood...
Oh and that link? remove the space after the IN and after the VESTORS
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? Portman is a "mod" over at the Ickhub...and care to guess what stock? Follow the MA trail and you can guess what "river" he is up...maybe they can make paddles of some sort with that wood...
really?
OK, young lady... last I heard you didn' know nothin' ...
{oh...he visits, but I dunno} Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..What Tex? I still dunno notin! LOL...only that he is over at ick hub... Guess portman feels strong about MA...or them thar logs...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL..What Tex? I still dunno notin! LOL...only that he is over at ick hub... Guess portman feels strong about MA...or them thar logs...
And he was appointed head of the SHC by Arlitt. Thats just peachy
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL..What Tex? I still dunno notin! LOL...only that he is over at ick hub... Guess portman feels strong about MA...or them thar logs...
yeah...well
logs'll do that, I GUESS
Anyways, I *still* haven't seen any "smoking-gun" dialogue....
* get the loofah *
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL..What Tex? I still dunno notin! LOL...only that he is over at ick hub... Guess portman feels strong about MA...or them thar logs...
And he was appointed head of the SHC by Arlitt. Thats just peachy
as posted, a thankless job...
an ongoing relationship with MA would be interesting--but so far, I'm not seeing anything
Posted by 10of13 on :
I think that i get it now Tex...I forgot that "up the river" meant legal trouble and prison...didn't mean it that way... JUST that he is the Mod for the new log stock...sorry for the confusion...
Yeah Mr. Cat...Peachy...did you notice that old board over there was started in 05? I wonder if 2 years from now someone will bring this thread up from the dead and try to get it goin' again...LOL Port? Anything you may want to share with us? Never mind...it doesn't matter... Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I think that i get it now Tex...I forgot that "up the river" meant legal trouble and prison...didn't mean it that way... JUST that he is the Mod for the new log stock...sorry for the confusion...
Yeah Mr. Cat...Peachy...did you notice that old board over there was started in 05? I wonder if 2 years from now someone will bring this thread up from the dead and try to get it goin' again...LOL Port? Anything you may want to share with us? Never mind...it doesn't matter...
10 of Admirals,
CONFUSION...what confusion?
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
As I lay ill, in my bed from the den, came one hell of a clatter!
Lo and behold Twas the computer screaming!
Portman is elsewhere! Lord help him, It's ANLT!!!!
Hopefully I'm only dreaming!
Seriously , I feel betrayed big time! He said over there that he hopes his new board isn't cult like the last one, not exact quote.WH? I say never trust ANYONE, I will not fall for BS. anymore!
Posted by 10of13 on :
I hope you begin to feel better stock Momma...AND? I get how you feel about the trust thing!
You know...why is it that MA can go and do all this with yet another company after the questions that he has had with this one...and this post from New2? Is this where some of the funding for the new company came from? Weren't these valued at about 4.2 million or something like that?
new2stocks Member
posted February 07, 2007 01:23 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by new2stocks: Did you guys read this already?
Mike Alexander gifted his shares away.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I hope you begin to feel better stock Momma...AND? I get how you feel about the trust thing!
You know...why is it that MA can go and do all this with yet another company after the questions that he has had with this one...and this post from New2? Is this where some of the funding for the new company came from? Weren't these valued at about 4.2 million or something like that?
new2stocks Member
posted February 07, 2007 01:23 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by new2stocks: Did you guys read this already?
yup... see "nominee accounts" [SLJB is illustrative, just e.g.]
anybody remember the debt?
As far as I know? It *still* hasn't been paid...
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
10, I have a hard time understanding the many, many questions we all have regarding this stock and the people who have arrived to save the day, then poof! their gone. Does the SEC. really care about the "little" people? I would think M.A. would have a lot to answer to regarding "his" shares. Oh well, maybe RPH. will someday save the day.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: 10, I have a hard time understanding the many, many questions we all have regarding this stock and the people who have arrived to save the day, then poof! their gone. Does the SEC. really care about the "little" people? I would think M.A. would have a lot to answer to regarding "his" shares. Oh well, maybe RPH. will someday save the day.
Perhaps not in all cases, but in most, those folk who were "saving the day" were in most likelihood protecting their postions.
Real traders who post online do not "suddenly show up."
Posted by 10of13 on :
Looking around I found this site also over at ickhub...that Portman is mod of..I believe that Port works at this UPZS... Hey Port...hope your stock hits .10 tomorrow...heck i wish this one would LOL
quote:Originally posted by T e x: your link(s) indicate Portman taking a position in Ecowood?
It looks to me that he is the Mod of that chat room.....?
Posted by portman on :
Huh...What? My nose itches.
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by portman: Huh...What? My nose itches.
Better watch where you put it then...LOL
what the heck...you are going into that other stock after all of this with CSHD? What are you thinking? I was searching your name a little...kinda surprised at the stuff i found...I thought you were as new to this game as me...silly..You've been holdin' out! LOL
Posted by new2stocks on :
pm's 10
Posted by 10of13 on :
gottem and sent back...
Posted by portman on :
Ahhh 10, it was an un-moderated board so I said what the heck. I own none of ANLT at this point. I am still trying to figure out why merge with that one?
I still have all my cshd and love allstocks most! I read here a lot and post on stocks I am in here.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Take out spaces of course
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hey Port, just curious. I see you are the moderator over there and xlr8rs is your assistant. Just how many CSHD SHC members are in on this ANLT play? Whether or not you own shares, you are "in on it" if you are moderating the board.
Again just curious....i can understand if you dont want to answer.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Port...guess you know what you are doing...But don't forget the crap with this one..and I feel strong that MA was involved...so watch your pennies.. speaking of watching your pennies? how's your USPZ doin'?
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Hey Port, just curious. I see you are the moderator over there and xlr8rs is your assistant. Just how many CSHD SHC members are in on this ANLT play? Whether or not you own shares, you are "in on it" if you are moderating the board.
Again just curious....i can understand if you dont want to answer.
Catia,
Just xl and me and I asked her to assist since I don't look every day.
I would stay away from thinking all who associated with the SHC where or are friends. So, I would not go looking for conspiracy. I will admit to having a good laugh at some of the comments that have already been put out there.
Those who are truly long here will recall I posted I did not buy FHAL early because of the log deal. I would not speculate me as a believer in eccowood yet. I am also not a fan of Kyoto either and the business model is dependent on some of that.
All that does not mean I am not interested in watching the company and providing a place where discussion can take place.
Now if anyone wants to talk about it they can on that board or PM here. You should really get back to talking about CSHD here.
If you really want to know why I do not post here about CSHD it is because undo attention would be placed on those comments and I prefer to not disrupt the board.
You can always PM me and I do read every day.
Take Care All!
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Port...guess you know what you are doing...But don't forget the crap with this one..and I feel strong that MA was involved...so watch your pennies.. speaking of watching your pennies? how's your USPZ doin'?
Time will tell with CSHD 10 of wiseness. ANLT...well there is some DD to do there before a plunge.
UPZS is sucking eggs...I might be all pissed if I have not paid everything off in the .02 - .83 run. My restricted shares are due in cert form any day now. They gave us 25% more for free for restricting an additional year. The PPS has been .3 to .6 above the restricted cost excluding the 25% extra. So, I am happy and riding free (the only way to ride in pennies!)
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
I think it is a great time for CSHD to do a Share buyback at these rock-bottom prices!
lol
Posted by Jenna on :
I think that's a great idea!!! Except- shouldn't he have to buy back at $15/share?????
Posted by Jenna on :
New2, would you be able to post that post from ********s over here? TIA.... Posted by Jenna on :
...by the way....Hey Port!!!...good to see ya!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Portman states: "10 of wiseness" Feelin' pretty stupid at the moment... But hey..we all need to learn from something/somewhere...
Stocktrader? CSHD stock buy back?...OK..where do I sign up?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ok Port, fair enough. But, discussions regarding ANLT are indeed "on topic" for the CSHD thread IMO.
I wont go into an conspiracy theories as you have asked but i can assure you those theories are there, and im not alone in thinking of them. I will mention, however, that i also got a good laugh when reading that you didnt get into FHAL because of the log deal but it would appear you have become interested in ANLT for just that reason.
Oh well, around and around we go..........
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: New2, would you be able to post that post from ********s over here? TIA....
Which post Jenna?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Hey Jenna!
Posted by new2stocks on :
poetter New Member
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Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4 Karma: 21 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, March 21st « Reply #296 on Today at 11:31am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=ww2player board=general thread=1174454324 post=1174493608]Paul One question I have if you can answer it is if all this drama goin on with the CEO's SEC, NSS is having a negative effect on those people giving CSHD the bonds to use? AS MR. HARRIS HAS SAID ON SUBPENNYRADIO.COM, HE HAS A LONG HISTORY WITH THESE PEOPLE AND HE NEEDS TO CLEAR HIS NAME OF CLOUDS OF DOUBT.
And are they wanting CSHD to start funding JV's ASAP or are they patiently waiting for Rufus to catch some crooks first? AS MR. HARRIS HAS STATED, HE WANTED TO START FUNDING OF PROJECTS BUT THE SEC BLOCKED HIS EFFORTS...THE JUDGE AND SHAREHOLDERS MUST HAVE THEIR SAY IN THE PROXY NOW.
PAUL
Posted by new2stocks on :
poetter New Member
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Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4 Karma: 21 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, March 21st « Reply #315 on Today at 11:49am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=searchoftruth board=general thread=1174454324 post=1174495303]Why a proxy? What do you think we will be voting on?
I CANNOT SAY AT THIS TIME.
And are they wanting CSHD to start funding JV's ASAP or are they patiently waiting for Rufus to catch some crooks first? AS MR. HARRIS HAS STATED, HE WANTED TO START FUNDING OF PROJECTS BUT THE SEC BLOCKED HIS EFFORTS...THE JUDGE AND SHAREHOLDERS MUST HAVE THEIR SAY IN THE PROXY NOW.
IN RESPONSE TO ANOTHER QUESTION: THE JUDGE MUST APPROVE ANY PROXY OR 15C-211 FORM BEFORE THE SHAREHOLDERS GET TO SEE THEM. THE TIME FRAME AS MR. HARRIS HAS STATED, IS OUT OF HIS CONTROL, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS????
PAUL
Posted by new2stocks on :
poetter New Member
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Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4 Karma: 22 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, March 21st « Reply #340 on Today at 12:06pm »
You cannot say at this time or you do not want to say at this time? IN SOME CIRCLES I AM CONSIDERED AN INSIDER.
IN RESPONSE TO ANOTHER QUESTION: THE JUDGE MUST APPROVE ANY PROXY OR 15C-211 FORM BEFORE THE SHAREHOLDERS GET TO SEE THEM. THE TIME FRAME AS MR. HARRIS HAS STATED, IS OUT OF HIS CONTROL, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS? SEE ANSWER ABOVE.
ANSWER: Does this mean that the Judge has a proxy or 15C-211 in his hands? If so, what would delay pushing this forward? I AM NOT PRIVY TO THIS INFO.
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks New2!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Thanks New2!
Anytime Jenna! Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Wow Paul Poetter. I wondered if we would see that name again! Im not sure if im happy about it or not...........
Posted by TexasMoney on :
Who is Paul Poetter?
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Wow Paul Poetter. I wondered if we would see that name again! Im not sure if im happy about it or not...........
Posted by Jenna on :
..All I know TexM is that he was in one of those pictures from that dinner they had in Texas & Poetter was the one sitting next to Rufus.....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ..All I know TexM is that he was in one of those pictures from that dinner they had in Texas & Poetter was the one sitting next to Rufus.....
Poetter has alot of bond knowledge....IMO Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ..All I know TexM is that he was in one of those pictures from that dinner they had in Texas & Poetter was the one sitting next to Rufus.....
He was a player in Waatle. The cobwebs are forming so i need to locate my info on him but I do recall some "not so good" DD located about him.
I was NOT aware that he was at the Dallas dinner however!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Originally Posted by DadRoman It was Paul Poetter....you can see it in the pics if you were not there...
The important part was he was the ONLY person Rufus introduced that night out of all the people there...that fact made a huge impact on me.
Posted by new2stocks on :
.09 Up 80% We are on fire!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: .09 Up 80% We are on fire!!!
We are GOLDEN!
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO...New2 do you remember are we suppose to buy the crap out of it? Hold? or sell...dang I can't remember... unless this is a result of Stocktraders buy back...LOL
Posted by new2stocks on :
I think he said to hold the crap out of it, but I'm not 100% on that...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Yeah...followed by "You Sir are an idiot!"...LOL
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
hehe
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Yeah...followed by "You Sir are an idiot!"...LOL
LMAO
Posted by new2stocks on :
10 did you get the proxy?
Posted by 10of13 on :
What? NO! Where?
Posted by SherriT on :
Glad to see some things never change - LOL
Is there a short version to this soap opera?
Posted by new2stocks on :
I think it's there....
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
What the H di dI miss?
Are we golden and buying the crap out of it?
Posted by 10of13 on :
OH new2...I'll get you back!!! I was checkin' my email junk folder(figured that's where it would belong)..and looking at the broker website seeing if there would be a special place... I'll get you back....Your new name is wicked witch! LOL
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: OH new2...I'll get you back!!! I was checkin' my email junk folder(figured that's where it would belong)..and looking at the broker website seeing if there would be a special place... I'll get you back....Your new name is wicked witch! LOL
LMAO! Sue me! It's part of the plan 10!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I think it's there....
Ooooh, are those Poppy flowers? That would explain A LOT Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Glad to see some things never change - LOL
Is there a short version to this soap opera?
Yeah there's a few "short" somethings..one of them my patience...
According to the Wicked Witch...we are suppose to follow the yellow brick road to munchkin land...right next to the naked short people...so we can hear some man behind a screen read from some scroll called a proxy...and then that guy rides off on a purple horse...because what we were looking for wasn't really there and it was all a dream from the BS storm that smacked us upside the head...
There ya go..short version to the soap opera Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Glad to see some things never change - LOL
Is there a short version to this soap opera?
Yeah there's a few "short" somethings..one of them my patience...
According to the Wicked Witch...we are suppose to follow the yellow brick road to munchkin land...right next to the naked short people...so we can hear some man behind a screen read from some scroll called a proxy...and then that guy rides off on a purple horse...because what we were looking for wasn't really there and it was all a dream from the BS storm that smacked us upside the head...
There ya go..short version to the soap opera
LMAO! That is perfect.....
Posted by 10of13 on :
We even have the whole list of Characters right here posting on these threads... New2=Wicked Witch jenna=Glenda (good witch) SherriT=Dorothy Mr. Cat= the lion Wally= the scarecrow Ocqueoc= Auntie Em Tex =mayor of Munckin land the Doctor = the munckin physician glass=tin man 10=toto the rest...well you are all a bunch of flying monkeys...doin' as told..until new2 gets splashed with water...and ya'll will have smile again... (See this stock has made me loose my friggin' marbles!)
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: We even have the whole list of Characters right here posting on these threads... New2=Wicked Witch jenna=Glenda (good witch) SherriT=Dorothy Mr. Cat= the lion Wally= the scarecrow Ocqueoc= Auntie Em Tex =mayor of Munckin land the Doctor = the munckin physician glass=tin man 10=toto the rest...well you are all a bunch of flying monkeys...doin' as told..until new2 gets splashed with water...and ya'll will have smile again... (See this stock has made me loose my friggin' marbles!)
LMAO - perfect that I should be the one dumfounded and asking where the heck is Kansas...!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Sherri..you could be a dog or flying monkey...LOL
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
When monkeys fly outta Rufus' azz, will we get our 6:1.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: We even have the whole list of Characters right here posting on these threads... New2=Wicked Witch jenna=Glenda (good witch) SherriT=Dorothy Mr. Cat= the lion Wally= the scarecrow Ocqueoc= Auntie Em Tex =mayor of Munckin land the Doctor = the munckin physician glass=tin man 10=toto the rest...well you are all a bunch of flying monkeys...doin' as told..until new2 gets splashed with water...and ya'll will have smile again... (See this stock has made me loose my friggin' marbles!)
ROFLMAO!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
10, are you calling me a coward?
Tex as the Mayor of munchkin land. LOL
Posted by 10of13 on :
No..it was your name...AND? (no comments about the ? sherri) the Lion was always my favorite... he was always brave just never knew it! Posted by 10of13 on :
But now that I think about it Repo would have played a pretty good Tin man...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Oh Dorothy, im afraid we may NEVER find the proxy.
*Sniffle*
Id call and id demand it, Id certainly command it, If i only had the nerrrrrve
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
I'll get you my proxy.....and your little bond too!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I'll get you my proxy.....and your little bond too!
Haha....nice
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I'll get you my proxy.....and your little bond too!
OMG...I can actually hear you saying this and picture you rubbing your hands together... WAAAYY to wierd... The sad thing is? After this stock?...I have no $ to pay for therapy... Posted by milliam on :
Yes, marbles have been lost !!!
Posted by glassman on :
hey! i MAKE really nice marbles if anybody is short Posted by 10of13 on :
Yeah..glass really does have some nice marbles...LOL
milliam...I think you, stocktrader and stockstar should play the part of the lollipop kids They were just sooo cute!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I'll get you my proxy.....and your little bond too!
OMG...I can actually hear you saying this and picture you rubbing your hands together... WAAAYY to wierd... The sad thing is? After this stock?...I have no $ to pay for therapy...
I picture Montgomery Burns from the Simpsons saying "excellent" in an old crackled evil voice!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Yeah..glass really does have some nice marbles...LOL
milliam...I think you, stocktrader and stockstar should play the part of the lollipop kids They were just sooo cute!
THANKS ! Now back to the marbles. Glass Marbles or prosthetic testicles which Rufus will need if any of us find him years from now and the road to Oz was actually a trail of Horse Manure..
I thought they were logs in the Amazon River? Now they turned to marbles. JEESH!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Well, at least we had some fun this after noon! Have a good rest of the day!
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Ok Port, fair enough. But, discussions regarding ANLT are indeed "on topic" for the CSHD thread IMO.
I wont go into an conspiracy theories as you have asked but i can assure you those theories are there, and i'm not alone in thinking of them. I will mention, however, that i also got a good laugh when reading that you didn't get into FHAL because of the log deal but it would appear you have become interested in ANLT for just that reason.
Oh well, around and around we go..........
I meant I just didn't want to drag this into ANLT here...but if it is felt it is on topic I am fine with it.
Remember I am not in ANLT. Nor was I aware they were buying it. But I am interested in watching if it plays out good or bad.
So for now it is on the follow and research list. There are a lot of lessons learned by many people that can be applied to ANLT to make it a safer play (should anyone play it). I include myself in the lessons learned category. We do not know everything and no matter how sure a winner it looks to you...always follow the rules of playing the pennies!
As far as the conspiracy theories go the ones I have read are pretty funny. Now mind you I am referring to the ones involving me and ANLT. Those are funny as they are so far off base. As for the ones involving the principles: RPH, SD, BS, MA, DP. I have no idea as to the validity of any of them. It will take the courts to determine that. I will not waste my time and effort on those factors. There are too many interlopers and no one can validate what is fact vs. what is fiction at this point.
That translates to me thinking all this wasted animosity between the factions of shareholders in CSHD as a waste of a good many peoples time and pointless loss of friendships.
As it stands today in my mind RPH is the CEO/BOD, whatever. I support his efforts as I would support those of any CEO of a stock I own. It is irrelevant what I think of those efforts. I just desire a profitable solution for shareholders.
One less rant to do...lol
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hi, This is auntie Em.
Wake up everyone,wake up, you are all okay. The last few months was only a dream!
10, You are as funny as you are sweet! LMAO
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
P.s., I'm not as old as auntie em appeared to be, no matter what hubby says. Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Portman, You do realize that a lot of us followed you, right on over to the SHC.Where did that get us!
For me to read on that "other"board, that you hoped this new adventure isn't a cult follower like the last one {not exact quote} was a low blow! IMO
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Yes, we did have fun today. Oh, and I don't want to be a lollipop kid!
Hope you are not too offended Rufus! Yes, we know you are watching. Godspeed.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Ok Port, fair enough. But, discussions regarding ANLT are indeed "on topic" for the CSHD thread IMO.
I wont go into an conspiracy theories as you have asked but i can assure you those theories are there, and im not alone in thinking of them. I will mention, however, that i also got a good laugh when reading that you didnt get into FHAL because of the log deal but it would appear you have become interested in ANLT for just that reason.
Oh well, around and around we go..........
Mr. C, You know I love ya , but I'm not sure I agree with ya about talking about ANLT on here. We can always check up on that thru other means. IMO. Just seeing the initials makes my blood pressure go up
Between M.A,TUT,D.P, J.G. and now M.P. {got all that LOL} My stomach can't take much more, which reminds me
"AS THE STOMACH TURNS" is still turning.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Any News this morning?
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Portman, You do realize that a lot of us followed you, right on over to the SHC.Where did that get us!
For me to read on that "other"board, that you hoped this new adventure isn't a cult follower like the last one {not exact quote} was a low blow! IMO
We were all swept up in it...I include myself in that "cult". Not intended as a low blow at all.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hey Portman...Welcome Back.
A lot of slinging around here of late.
Posted by new2stocks on :
By Jim Cramer RealMoney.com Columnist 3/22/2007 6:29 AM EDT
You may have seen some articles the past several days attacking me about an interview I gave recently where I discussed the kinds of manipulative trading practices that go on every day in the investing community. Let me say this: No one knows and respects the securities laws more than I do. (I didn't go to Harvard Law School for nothing!)
When I was a hedge fund trader in the 1990s, I played fair, and I did nothing that violated those laws. But others did not play fair, and that's why I started TheStreet.com and have been writing about these abuses for nearly a decade -- to explain to my readers how the markets really work. I wanted to give transparency to the market and tell people the good and the bad.
Some professional traders don't like it when I expose how their game is played, and some of the TheStreet.com's competitors don't like it when people are interested in what I have to say. But I am going to continue to write and talk about how the markets really work -- in my own sometimes hyperbolic and tongue-in-cheek style -- and call them as I see them. That's the least I owe you.
Does ASI (American Safety Insurance Holdings Ltd)have anything to do with ANLT, besides that their ticker symbol is the same as the initials for Analytical Surveys Inc.?
I'm assuming this is the only reason they put ANLT's PR under ASI's news.
A friend started talking about ASI's involvement, so I had to dig deeper. I can't find a connection, but there's some interesting things there.
For 1, ASI lists their business model to be "a specialty insurance company that provides customized insurance products and solutions for businesses and industries underserved by the standard insurance market" This sounds like what CSHD lists theirs as.
And 2, the last insider buying of ASI (according to my friend's Scottrade acount) is listed as: The last buy occurred when ROBBIE WILLIAM ALEXANDER purchased 2,000 shares on 6/21/2006.
I know Mike has a brother, but I don't know his name.
I imagine all of this in coincidence, but it could sure fuel some conspiracy theories!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Does ASI (American Safety Insurance Holdings Ltd)have anything to do with ANLT, besides that their ticker symbol is the same as the initials for Analytical Surveys Inc.?
I'm assuming this is the only reason they put ANLT's PR under ASI's news.
A friend started talking about ASI's involvement, so I had to dig deeper. I can't find a connection, but there's some interesting things there.
For 1, ASI lists their business model to be "a specialty insurance company that provides customized insurance products and solutions for businesses and industries underserved by the standard insurance market" This sounds like what CSHD lists theirs as.
And 2, the last insider buying of ASI (according to my friend's Scottrade acount) is listed as: The last buy occurred when ROBBIE WILLIAM ALEXANDER purchased 2,000 shares on 6/21/2006.
I know Mike has a brother, but I don't know his name.
I imagine all of this in coincidence, but it could sure fuel some conspiracy theories!
Milliam, I noticed that also.??
Posted by milliam on :
I put it over on Rufy's board and got nothing...no one said a word about it. Oh well...Maybe they already hashed that one out, or I just don't have enough karma .
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
You who? Mr.C,
You know I was just kidding around last night, right?
Milliam, I think it takes a lot , to get karma over there , I think you have to post around 90 times before "they" know who you are.Can't say I blame them,we are all careful with newbees.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: You who? Mr.C,
You know I was just kidding around last night, right?
Milliam, I think it takes a lot , to get karma over there , I think you have to post around 90 times before "they" know who you are.Can't say I blame them,we are all careful with newbees.
Yes, i know you were kidding. But, you might want to get used to seeing ANLT comments if the "Letter of Intent" becomes a true merger agreement. It pertains to us as far as the legal issues are concerned IMO.
Posted by CRab on :
CRab... ...trading knowledge
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: CRab... ...trading knowledge
quote:Originally posted by portman: We were all swept up in it...I include myself in that "cult". Not intended as a low blow at all.
Well...not exactly all of us.
--Mayor of Munchkin Land
Posted by new2stocks on :
Thought I'd bring this over here....come on DD people!!! What does withdrawn mean?
http://www.cvsu.pro boards100.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1174621686&page=6#11 74652222
Posted by a surfer on :
not signed up New2...
can you post.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
The CSHD web site has a couple of new buttons this morning, I think, for Directors and Executives. They were not there last time I looked on Wednesday. FWIW GLTA
A bond may be non-rated becasue Moody's or Standard & Poor's may have withdrawn the rating...Usually that happens when small issuers which have not issued new secirities for a period of time neglect to send updated financial statement to the rating service.
Anyone have a different understandning? Or is it that the bond just matured and it is done?
Bueller? Bueller?
Posted by 10of13 on :
New2? I am not sure that I understand what you are asking... the way I understand the bonds to work? You have a $100 bond...you Pay $75 the bond matures on a certain date...the bond is then worth the $100...BUT if you do not with draw the bond it continues to gain interest...
Posted by new2stocks on :
cfp New Member
member is offline
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 13 Karma: 1 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, March 22nd « Reply #189 on Today at 8:00am »
Today at 7:57am, voodoonola wrote: Today at 7:53am, cfp wrote: What does it say when you search on "withdrawn"? Tell me that and I may be able to tell you. If the search was done TODAY its because the bond has matured.
The screenshot shows one from last year then one from this morning.
Once a bond has MATURED the principal is paid back to the owners of (any portion) the bonds and the bond is withdrawn from the system. Thats why todays search shows that it is done.
Posted by milliam on :
New2...I assumed the bond matured today and the rating has been withdrawn due to this. The big question is..well, the big question is really if CSHD owned/or controlled this bond...anyway, the big question is, where does the money go? Does CSHD gain money from this, does CSHD lose this asset? Does everything stay the same and interest continues to pile up?
I'm just wondering if this bond maturing today warrants an 8k.
Posted by milliam on :
On another note, I just saw where ANLT was added to the RegSHO FTD list.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: On another note, I just saw where ANLT was added to the RegSHO FTD list.
Yeah I saw that too!
I wonder who owns that bond and what it means for the shareholders as well. Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Well, looks like another normal day here. Rumors and conspiracy's about bonds (good one though). I like the expiration date of TODAY...
Hmmm.
Posted by wallymac on :
Here's a very interesting letter I found when doing a search on CEDE & Co.
Letter to SEC: Elimination of Stock Certificates by Lori Livingston From: Lori Livingston Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 3:26 PMTo: chairmanoffice*sec.gov; marketreg*sec.govSubject: Elimination of Stock Certificates
To whom it may concern:
I am writing in regard to the recent press release from the Depository Trust Company (DTC) and other recent events and rules regarding DTC eligibility and Issuer rights in regard to DTC participation.
As someone who has been in the transfer agent business for 23 years, I am alarmed by recent developments and trends that all work toward a system of increasing positions on the books and records of corporations in the name of Cede & Co. (nominee name for DTC). As the transfer agent for approximately 300 issuers, I am increasingly contacted by these companies as they seek information regarding the stock ownership in their companies and the underlying trading of those shares in the market. Over the years as the amount of shares held at DTC has increased it has become more and more difficult to determine who owns the shares, who is trading them and if the trading is proper. This trend, and the resulting problems I will detail below, continues to increase because a minority of the total number of shareholders are reflected on the books and records of the corporation, most activity takes place behind the wall of ownership that is designated as Cede & Co. and neither the company nor the transfer agent has any access to the underlying information.
While the press release (which I have attached) heralds the movement toward increasing this trend of dematerialization as a triumph and great progress which will save investors millions of dollars, I see this trend from a different perspective and one which is not only alarming to me but to many of the companies that will be effected by these changes. I also disagree as to whether or not it will save shareholders millions of dollars or merely shift the costs through a different route and into different pockets. Additionally, I see this as continuing the trend of increasing costs to corporations, particularly smaller issuers already struggling with the ever increasing price of being a public company, and further decreased shareholder value based on the additional expense paid by the company.
Furthermore, DTC recently managed to put through a rule change (Release No. 34-50758A; File No.S7-24-04) that prohibits a transfer agent from representing any company who seeks to withdraw from the DTC system. This change effectively leaves companies with no voice or choice in the management of their stock and their ability to have any transparency as to what is actually taking place in the market in regard to their stock.
I receive calls from companies seeking information as they watch millions of shares trade in a single day, who watch their share price decrease in value and who have no access to information regarding who is behind the trading of these shares, or if in fact the trades are at all legitimate. As the system now operates, most companies have a large percentage of shares on their books registered to Cede & Co. This position usually represents a majority of the outstanding stock in any given company. Underlying this position is a system at DTC which is reflected in a Position Listing Reportand this report represents the brokers and clearing firms that hold positions in any given security on DTCs books and records for the beneficial owners (Non Objecting Beneficial Owners NOBOs and Objecting Beneficial Owners OBOs) or shareholders. The trades that take place on a daily basis move between these brokers and clearing firms electronically; however, the Issuer (nor their transfer agent) has any access to this data unless they order and pay for the lists. This is not only expensive for the company, but it also does not tell them anything about who actually owns the stock. For that information they must go to yet another party and that is ADP.
ADP is engaged by the brokers to keep track of the NOBOs and OBOs and to send the shareholders in Street Namereports and communications from the Issuer. Their other vital function is to serve as proxy tabulator for the shareholders who hold their shares in broker accounts. This is a critical function for the public company and one which they are required to perform by law. Given the importance of shareholder voting and communication one would assume that the same requirements placed on transfer agents as to accuracy and reporting would be placed on ADP and Cede & Co. as they usually hold or service the majority of the shares owned in any given company. I have found; however, that when presented with the tabulation reports from ADP the share totals they report sometimes exceed the total number of shares outstanding for the company. Let me restate this because it is a very important part of my concern about a system that is more and more headed in the direction of increased control by DTC. The shares presented by ADP, that are the shares voted by the brokers on behalf of the shareholders for whom they hold accounts, EXCEED when added to the shareholders of record the total number of shares outstanding. As the final judge and inspector of elections I would naturally inquire as to how the number of shares could be higher than the total shares that exist for a company and to my surprise I am told by ADP that they only vote what is reported by the brokers. It becomes the responsibility of the company, and further the transfer agent, to reconcile the numbers so that an annual meeting can be conducted that reflects numbers of share voted that makes any sense.
Where are these extra shares coming from? Why are there no controls on the number of shares held in the nominee name Cede & Co. vs. the ownership on the books and records of the brokers and why is the company not privy to any information unless it pays whatever fees it is told it must pay by the organizations that control the data? There have been a great deal of new regulatory levels of reporting put on companies (i.e. Sarbanes- Oxley Act compliance), but from where I am positioned in the marketplace that does not address what is a far greater problem for issuers shareholders and the integrity of the markets, and that is, who are their shareholders and how are their shares trading?
I will close at this point with a request to the SEC that in the rush to move to dematerialization someone look at the existing system and the inequities that exist in the market based on a companies complete ignorance and inability to know what is actually going on with the shares of their companies and the problems we face in the future as we move toward a system where the brokers, DTC and ADP have more information and control than the shareholders, the transfer agents and the issuers. In fact, as the system is evolving, DTC is de facto becoming the largest transfer agent in the industry even though it is an organization formed by and working for the interests of the brokerage community. If, ultimately, the S.E.C. is in place to protect investors then this issue can not be ignored because in the end when the market is completely under the control of the brokers and the organizations that represent them then the market can neither be transparent nor fair.
I thank you for your time in reading this communication.
Lori Livingston President & CEO Transfer Online, Inc. 317 SW Alder St., Second Fl Portland OR 97204
Posted by T e x on :
nice find--she raises several salient points...
Posted by glassman on :
If, ultimately, the S.E.C. is in place to protect investors then this issue can not be ignored because in the end when the market is completely under the control of the brokers and the organizations that represent them then the market can neither be transparent nor fair.
IMO? the market WAS under MORE control by the brokers etc. BEFORE the internet became what it is today...
in other words? we investors are more empowered today than we ever were due to the free exchange of ideas and information that we enjoy NOW than investors ever have been...
keep DD'ing Ms Livingston, she offers some very interesting on-line services...(if you can afford it)
Posted by new2stocks on :
Investment fraud from what are commonly known as "boiler rooms", is rife. These unregulated firms often exist only on paper as a front for flogging shares with the promise of extraordinarily high returns when in reality they may be nearly worthless.
boy, HOWDY!...hate to see one of those show up here!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
I am posting this because a cute and sweet puppy has appeared to have disappeared.
She answers to the name TOTO {and 10 }
If you have seen her, please contact Auntie Em at allstocks.com Thank you! LOL
Posted by 10of13 on :
ARF! ARF! (pant pant) Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Wow, did CSHD turn into a DOG?
ARF ARF
Posted by 6digits on :
It's a month past the proxy crap that little cowboy bean fart belched out in January.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Funny 6 !
He'll have to change his saying to Godspeed to the bathroom!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: ARF! ARF! (pant pant)
Thank goodness!!! I was afraid the wicked witch had taken ya
Chat with ya later board members.
Posted by Jenna on :
Dorthy (SherriT),
This is Glenda.....I want you to click your heels 3 times.......then we can get back to the OTCBB.....Dorthy?......Dorthy?.......no....no... it only works if you wear the ruby shoes.....what did you say? Your ruby shoes have horse doody on them???????? EEEEWWW..... Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Looks like we have all lost it!
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Quick! Someone throw some Kool-Aid on the wicked witch!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Quick! Someone throw some Kool-Aid on the wicked witch!
Somebody give me a "hell ya"!
Put out the fire as this stock is smokin....NOT!
Common guys, don't make me break out my voodoo dolls!
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
hell ya!!!
lol
Posted by Jenna on :
Hell ya!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Looks like you haven't totally lost it and still have a sense of humor.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Nah..no one has lost their sense of humor...just their money...It's all good...the shares sit in portfolio to reminds me that most BS is true BS...
Stockstar..yes CSHD turned into a dog...a dead dog...
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey guys, I forgot to share this, not that it matters but,
last night, I had another dream about CSHD & it was eerily clear. I dreamt that I was in my kitchen with the tv on not really paying attention to it....I was making lunch for my girls.....the tv was on CNN...it caught my attention when I heard the woman newscaster say..."Wallstreet may have just changed forever today....A man named Rufus Paul Harris has vowed to change the market & just may have done it...for years there has been illegal practices going on....".....
...the lady went on & on but I ran to my laptop & checked the PPS of CSHD.....I could hear the newscaster in the background talking about CSHD saying that it had went up $5.00 today..."a huge gain" ...the weird thing is that the PPS was $9.36....(which doesn't make sense)....I had tears running down my face along with a huge smile!.....this message board was going crazy & we were all calling eachother!!!
What a dream.....then I woke up.....
....I have a small amount of hope seeing that my last dream came to fruition.....my last dream was that the stock halted ...and that happened a few days later (although it wasn't for a good reason).....I'm still waiting for the second part of that dream to happen....The second part was that we opened back up on a Friday & we were very happy!....
Oh well, you never know.....that's why they call them dreams right???....Good Night all..... Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
I had a dream too...but I'll keep it to myself Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Short Squeeze LOL
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
LMAO
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Wow, busy day today. Must be tough when nobody will give up there shares...
And to think, I was going to buy 50 million shares and corner the market on the stock and do a hostile takeover. Oh well.
Posted by milliam on :
Catia...you out there? Here's something somewhat interesting, if its true. This is from Rufie's site. Supposedly someone found something on the rufusvssec website. The interesting part is the domain info and mostly, the email for the owner.
Today at 10:35am, g8nold wrote:LOOK WHAT I FOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DID YOU GUYS SEE THIS BEFORE??!!!!!
Gave me a blank black sreen with blank activeX control. I clicked to activate and nothing happened. Then right clicked and did view source to see the html code. Part of it is listed below (copy paste from the source page)
------------------------------------------------- Total Shareholders Counted: We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
I, the undersigned shareholder of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation challenge the leaders of the SEC to uphold the Constitution of the United States and demand to be heard by our Government representatives. The Securities and Exchange Commission based out of Atlanta Georgia is interfering with Justice, creating a hostile investor environment for thousands of shareholders, providing no defense to individual shareholders and looking out for financial interest of big business over the interests of individual shareholders, insuring no investor will have the chance to enjoy the blessing of liberty or posterity provided by the opportunity this company has offered and we stand together that no elected or appointed individual involved in this corruption will be gainfully employed in their position for any longer than necessary.
SEC CHAIRMAN CHRISTOPHER COX 100 F NE Washington, DC 20549 (202) 551-2100 DIVISION OF ENFORCEMENT Linda C. Thomsen, Director (202) 551-4500
Look what I found on whois for this domain- Registrant Name:Michael Alexander Registrant Organization:NA Registrant Street1:507 Main Street Suite A Registrant Street2: Registrant Street3: Registrant City:Lake Dallas Registrant State/Province:Texas Registrant Postal Code:75065 Registrant Country:US Registrant Phone:+1.9403211074 Registrant Phone Ext.: Registrant FAX: Registrant FAX Ext.: Registrant Email:info*fundamazon.com Admin ID:GODA-224675690 Admin Name:Michael Alexander Admin Organization:NA Admin Street1:507 Main Street Suite A Admin Street2: Admin Street3: Admin City:Lake Dallas Admin State/Province:Texas
Posted by T e x on :
I thought we *knew* MA created that Web site ???
Posted by milliam on :
Yeah, its probably old news, but it just jumped out at me about the fundamazon deal. This stuff has been going around so long that I've forgotten more than I ever knew about it .
Search for Analytical Surveys
Posted by T e x on :
link doesn't work for me...maybe I have to be signed in...
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
So hypothetically speaking, the 6:1 - Which example is it?
10 shares = 60 shares
or
10 shares = 70 shares
Posted by milliam on :
Take your share count and multiply by 7. Basically, for each share you have, you'll get 6 more...thus 7 times your current.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Thanks, it's been so long, I've forgot....lol
Posted by milliam on :
Interesting story. Some at the other board are alluding that he might be talking about CSHD. Make sure you read all of his **** entries at the bottom.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Yeah, its probably old news, but it just jumped out at me about the fundamazon deal. This stuff has been going around so long that I've forgotten more than I ever knew about it .
Milliam, ive become quite "dumbed down" in the world of CSHD as days go by, im really starting to lose details as more recent things fill my brain. The fundamazon stuff does kinda stand out but it seems Mike just has some sort of infatuation with the Amazon. Im more curious about the letter. I cant recall....was that written as a generic letter for everyone to sign and send in individually or something?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Interesting story. Some at the other board are alluding that he might be talking about CSHD. Make sure you read all of his **** entries at the bottom.
Link doesn't work, you need to put in spaces....
In both cases replace the *'s with b l o g
Very juicy b l o g indeed. Based on his posts we should hear results VERY soon. Regardless of what company he is referring to (CSHD is a strong possibility IMO) this looks like it could effect the entire system. I hope this is real.
Posted by milliam on :
Sorry about the link. I didn't have time to check it after I posted.
BTW, to give credit where it is due, I found that at the other board.
Posted by humble on :
The DD attached to Bud Burrell leads you straight to the most visible players in the fight against naked shorting - Byrne/Overstock, O'Quinn and Christian - as well as being close to Bob O'Brien, the Ralph Nader of the anti-NSS campaign. "Bud" should be considered a high level guy.
Now the DD also leads to some pretty negative stuff on O'Brien (the sanity check guy), seemingly a guy who may play both sides or simply has a lot of enemies trying to slander him.
So not that these guys are to be trusted but if you have been following the last 2 months of revelations from the horse's mouth over on Rufus' site, you will notice some strikingly similar phrasing and timelines - and Bud wrote this **** entry first.
More entertainment for the novel. Here's hoping for something verifiable to chew on.
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by Jenna on :
humble is Bud Berrell the guys real name or is that just a name he uses for writing?
I ask this because Rufus was asked a few months ago if he knew Bud Burrell & Rufus said it sounded familiar but he didn;t know him.
Posted by wallymac on :
Yes, there are some similarities to CSHD but since I'm a betting Man, playing peeny stocks definately qualifies, I would expect that he is talking about Eagletech.
I think that they are much further along especially when it comes to documentation than CSHD is. The biggest similarity to CSHD is that the deadline keeps getting pushed back and not fulfilled. It is entirely possible that Rufus has been made aware of this B L O G entry and has used the same deadline for CSHD attempting to piggyback off the news.
The one thing I have found about Rufus is his propensity to accept what some post as the truth. He has done it a number of times. This could be just one more point of reference for that propensity.
Heck, how long has he had longs watching PACER for developments that have not occurred. IMO, this is what he may be waiting on. Once this surfaced on PACER he could claim that it is the same with CSHD and the end is near.
As for me, I will still be waiting for something of real substance about CSHD to come out either on PACER or from the SEC. The epaper wasted on a PR won't even be able to be used in place of toilet paper if you run out. If it doesn't come from the court or the SEC, " DON'T BELIEVE IT".
JMVHO Wally
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: humble is Bud Berrell the guys real name or is that just a name he uses for writing?
I ask this because Rufus was asked a few months ago if he knew Bud Burrell & Rufus said it sounded familiar but he didn;t know him.
I believe each of the writers on that joint b l o g site use aliases.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Yes, there are some similarities to CSHD but since I'm a betting Man, playing peeny stocks definately qualifies, I would expect that he is talking about Eagletech.
I think that they are much further along especially when it comes to documentation than CSHD is. The biggest similarity to CSHD is that the deadline keeps getting pushed back and not fulfilled. It is entirely possible that Rufus has been made aware of this B L O G entry and has used the same deadline for CSHD attempting to piggyback off the news.
The one thing I have found about Rufus is his propensity to accept what some post as the truth. He has done it a number of times. This could be just one more point of reference for that propensity.
Heck, how long has he had longs watching PACER for developments that have not occurred. IMO, this is what he may be waiting on. Once this surfaced on PACER he could claim that it is the same with CSHD and the end is near.
As for me, I will still be waiting for something of real substance about CSHD to come out either on PACER or from the SEC. The epaper wasted on a PR won't even be able to be used in place of toilet paper if you run out. If it doesn't come from the court or the SEC, " DON'T BELIEVE IT".
JMVHO Wally
Indeed Eagletech and Overstock are both favorite topics of many anti-NSS players. However, the "vibe" I get from Burrell is that the company he is speaking of is one that has not been in the limelight - an experiment to once and for all provide the catalyst.
Quite honestly, it does not matter. The powers that be are huge, well-organized and capable of affecting markets, media and legislation (see Utah's retreat from important rule changes). It will take a once-in-a-generation type scandal to make a difference. Could this be around the corner? As you say, keep watching and stay in position to act if anything breaks.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
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SEC Form 4 FORM 4 UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION Washington, D.C. 20549
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (City) (State) (Zip) 2. Issuer Name and Ticker or Trading Symbol FURIA ORGANIZATION INC /DE/ [ CSHD ] 5. Relationship of Reporting Person(s) to Issuer (Check all applicable) Director X 10% Owner Officer (give title below) Other (specify below)
3. Date of Earliest Transaction (Month/Day/Year) 04/27/06 4. If Amendment, Date of Original Filed (Month/Day/Year) 6. Individual or Joint/Group Filing (Check Applicable Line) X Form filed by One Reporting Person Form filed by More than One Reporting Person
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yup, still Furia, but with the CSHD ticker
Posted by unclerudy on :
So what does this mean?
Posted by St. Matthew on :
STOCK EXCHANGE
NYSE Finalizes Euronext TakeoverThe New York Stock Exchange has completed the takeover of the European multinational stock exchange Euronext. HINA The New York Stock Exchange has successfully completed the takeover of the European multinational stock operator Euronext, French regulatory agency AMF reported on Tuesday.
In the period during which the offer was valid, which ended on March 21, the new company NYSE Euronext NV bought 91.4 percent of the Euronext shares, AMF announced.
President of Euronext's supervising board Jan-Michel Hessels, the future president of the NYSE Euronext management board, thanked the shareholders for supporting the merger of the two companies and making it possible to create the world's biggest stock operator.
The trade at the new stock exchange begins on April 4, announced NYSE Chairman Marshall Carter.
Euronext encompasses stock markets with headquarters in Paris, Amsterdam, Brussels, and Lisbon, as well as London derivatives market LIFFE. NYSE entails the Wall Street stock market and the American electronic stock market ARCA/Pacific Exchange.
St. Matt, I was wondering where you've been. Hope things are well with you and your family.
So, what do you make of this merged stock exchange?
Posted by new2stocks on :
Hi St Matt! Nice to see you!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Is St Matt our new CEO?
Posted by new2stocks on :
Just a funny picture I thought I would share from the Rufus board
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Just a funny picture I thought I would share from the Rufus board
That picture is beautiful. I love it!
Hey guys...just very, very busy at work. I'm working hard behind the scenes for you...just ask Jenna...
Just hang in there... Posted by Jenna on :
It's true. All I can say is Matthew is VERY confident!!!!
I don't know how Matt does it but he makes some IMPORTANT friends.
All is Cool in the land of OZ........ Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL... I sit with hands over my ears...eyes closed and repeating the phrase "I can't hear you...I can't hear you...lalalalalalalala" No more kool-aide! Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: It's true. All I can say is Matthew is VERY confident!!!!
I don't know how Matt does it but he makes some IMPORTANT friends.
All is Cool in the land of OZ........
Can you share what you guys may have found? Im sure some longs would be interested, if not all.
Posted by Jenna on :
Maybe what Matt posted about the new exchange is what Rufus has been waiting for????
I hear Rufus has been quiet on his site, only saying Godspeed.....who knows maybe he feels like he doesn't need to say anything anymore.....
Posted by Jenna on :
CSHD: Short Interest DN 13.5% to 48.7K in Mar 2007
MONDAY , MARCH 26, 2007 04:48 PM
According to new short interest data from OTCBB.com, short interest for Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. (OTC: CSHD) DECREASED 13.5% to 48,657 shares for the month ended mid-March, 2007.
SYMBOL FEBRUARY MARCH CHANGE %CHANGE DAYS/COVER -------- ------------- ------------- ------------- ------------ ---------- CSHD 56,240 48,657 -7,583 -13.48% 1 Based on CSHD's 20-day average daily share volume of 585,280, it would require approximately 1 day(s) of buying to cover this short interest.
Mar 17, 2007, 2:55pm, 7of9 wrote:Mark me as a pregnant doger - .06 and on the greys, people like you and ron make me sick by being happy about what Rufus did to this stock. Sheep such as yourself allways need a higher power to follow. Another thing that I don't get is why people bring God and Jesus into a stock I really hope they're not following the market.
Rufus' response:
Those of us that belief our GOD sacrificed his only Son Jesus for you and I, belief that there is a repercussion for wrong doings. Our belief also teaches us that Evil (of any kind) in the end will pay, so for someone to proclaim their self as a Christian and still perpetrate Fraud means they (the wrong doer) will burn in a hotter hell. (Scarification of the Soul, per say)
That is a Christians vulnerability , our belief teaches us that we are not the Judge of Man and to give all humans equality, so we are very receptive, easy pray one might say. Our opinions of men are drawn solely from their actions not what others say to be so.
You 7 of 9 are not a true believer or You would have not stated that you don’t understand why people bring GOD and JESUS into a stock, a Christian is taught to bring GOD into every aspect of their life. Walk with GOD.
May you find GOD in your life, and if not may He have mercy on your Soul.
To those shareholders that are non-believers, I regret that my beliefs offend you, But the one thing I will not do is apologize or renounce it and I will not ask for an apology from you for being a Sinner. That is called Equality.
GODSPEED
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
CSHD Chairman member is offline
Chairman & CEO
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 420 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 440 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, March 16th 2nd « Reply #736 on Mar 17, 2007, 5:27pm »
Mar 17, 2007, 3:06pm, eyegeddeeven wrote:For one, I know that the 6:1 will have to reestablish a cut-off date for the shareholders of record to be established... as any date giving shares as a dividend or otherwise would have to be announced in advance and approved by the SEC along with an official filing.... which was never done. Therefore, buying shares now at cheaper prices may also qualify as the more you pick up... the bigger your 6:1 gets... lol
The way I see it is Rufus did not want you to buy because it would increase the amount he has to cover... but at this time, it is not our problem if the price is so low that we can get more shares to lower our cost.
Just makes sense... even if the Authorized will then become in excess... CSHD would have to increase the amount to cover the issue. Otherwise, those shares will never be issued, and the 6:1 will never happen. Of course, they could give a 3:1 and raise the ante.... that would still satisfy most if the share price was also in line with the freebie. My hope is that those shares are not restricted.... and I will bet I am wrong on that one... just a guess but an educated one at that.
Rufus' Response:
Please take this as a PUMP supported by someone selling, The Seller wants you to buy their shares;
This post along with the little birdie telling me that MA/DP are DUMPING their shares and promising associates some of the money; are both good reasons, to HOLD until this is resolved.
Besides; If the Fraudsters have their way we will be at .001 after they DUMP and you could buy it cheaper if you want to then.
It would be like getting your 6 for 1; if you wait, HEHE. People, There is a War going on right Now, a really big one. The one thing I can promise you is that I am here and will not go anywhere and will only give you the truth.
The Truth will surface soon, Forget about the share price until you see something in writing from the corporation that has full disclosure; of what has really happened here and Who was responsible. Then draw your own conclusions.
GODSPEED
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna...I'll find the kids plastic bat...in the mean time...put the cup down...don't take one more sip...heck...don't even smell it! Just turn your back and say NO!
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
CSHD Chairman member is offline
Chairman & CEO
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 420 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 440 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Saturday, March 17th « Reply #175 on Mar 17, 2007, 5:55pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Premier Secured, Cocked, Locked and Loaded
More to come!
GODSPEED
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
CSHD Chairman member is offline
Chairman & CEO
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 420 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 440 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Saturday, March 17th « Reply #291 on Mar 17, 2007, 7:25pm »
Mar 17, 2007, 7:27pm, terps wrote: Mar 17, 2007, 7:25pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Friend I am Fine; Just sharing some thing’s that you did not know;
Another mental note; The easiest thing for the SEC to find out, is who traded the 650 million shares!!
Why no action by the SEC?
You would not believe me if I told you!!!
GODSPEED
650 millions shares of fhal/cshd? since july 06 i think its about 250+ million trade from otc web site
I told each of you to document the daily trading;
250 Million; Heck we had 38 million in one day in the start; things will be adjusted in the system.
Don't forget the early SPR I stated the numbers per day on them Just for this reason; it was 250 way early in this game.
Don’t ever forget I knew what I was going up against when I signed the Merger!!
As to the comment about others that are with me, there is no way I would ask anyone to go through what my family has, No One
GODSPEED
Posted by Jenna on :
And the last for days he has only posted once & it's been only this:
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
CSHD Chairman member is offline
Chairman & CEO
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 420 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 440 [ Exalt | Smite ] Tuesday, March 27th « Thread Started on Yesterday at 2:56pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GODSPEED
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex, I bet I made you sorry you said anything....I apologize!!! LOL....
I think I have clogged up this thread enough...sorry people....
And 10, I just put the kool-aide down & I am reaching for some zinfandel......love ya sister!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
OK...Jenna...the Zinfandel should offset the reactions to the kool-aide...you may be OK... Posted by SherriT on :
Somebody dumped a LOT of sugar in the latest batch of Kool-Aid. Can someone post the Cliff Notes here?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Tex, I bet I made you sorry you said anything....I apologize!!! LOL....
I think I have clogged up this thread enough...sorry people....
And 10, I just put the kool-aide down & I am reaching for some zinfandel......love ya sister!!!
wheeeee!
no apology necesary, muh dear... you don't know me as well as some of the others here...I really don't get riled, too often... also, you basically proved my point...
There are a few interesting items in those posts, though... one, what's that about SEC's inaction? lol, they took a shot, and the ball's been RPH & the company's court for months...
two, it wouldn't surprise me *at all* if he wishes peeps wouldn't trade this now...if he's outta da loop with no/or reduced share-count, it kinda stands to reason he might begrudge MA and Corey, eh?
three, it tickles me to think of 7 of 9 getting under his skin...Boy Howdy! you have pepper spill and get up your nose? That's 7 for you...wheee dawgie, she could irritate whatever it is that causes a rash, lol
Anyway, enjoy your cooler...
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: [QUOTE]Originally posted by new2stocks: [qb] Just a funny picture I thought I would share from the Rufus board
That picture is beautiful. I love it!
Hey guys...just very, very busy at work. I'm working hard behind the scenes for you...just ask Jenna...
St.Matt, IMO. If you have something to say, okay, we'll listen, just say it.
Please no more "hinting" at stuff.You may or may not know a lot {I hope you do know something good} But I don't think it's fair to start the "hinting" again. Or to put it on to Jenna for all to ask. We have had SOOOOOOOO much of this in this stock , that no one trust's people anymore.
I don't want hard feelings getting involved again.Remember all the fighting over who said what?
Until you or anyone can read something from pacer ,lets just set back and wait, you all know it will be soon Matt, this isn't against you, I mean that.
Posted by T e x on :
good post, O...
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey Stock Momma!!!
True soooo true....unless we see it in Pacer or in a PR (even that is questionable) we really don't know if anything is worth listening to....
until we know for sure I,know I for one, will be..........
cautiously optomistic!!!!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey Stock Momma!!!
True soooo true....unless we see it in Pacer or in a PR (even that is questionable) we really don't know if anything is worth listening to....
until we know for sure I,know I for one, will be..........
cautiously optomistic!!!!
Hey young one!!
I hope my post didn't sound snotty. Not trying to be a !itch, And I wasn't being mean to St.matt. Just trying to keep it real. LOL
Posted by Jenna on :
O- Matt knows you didn't mean anything....I think he just wanted people to know that he is very busy at work but that he does visit Rufus' site when he can....he keeps his "ears" open on that site & tries to let me know what's up over there....because I don;t have time to go over ther & he doesn't have time to look at both sites especially with how busy he is at work right now....so he's a lookin' & a listenin' & it's very positive over there....they are talking about a lot of things we haven't even discussed here or even knew about....
I will try to bring some of those posts over here....
Posted by wallymac on :
Ocqueoc,
You are so right. Heck, I can't even trust myself anymore and I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. But one thing I do know is that I know what I don't know.
Wally
Posted by T e x on :
quote:they are talking about a lot of things we haven't even discussed here or even knew about....
hard to believe, but I'm open...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: O- Matt knows you didn't mean anything....I think he just wanted people to know that he is very busy at work but that he does visit Rufus' site when he can....he keeps his "ears" open on that site & tries to let me know what's up over there....because I don;t have time to go over ther & he doesn't have time to look at both sites especially with how busy he is at work right now....so he's a lookin' & a listenin' & it's very positive over there....they are talking about a lot of things we haven't even discussed here or even knew about....
I will try to bring some of those posts over here....
Sounds like they have the EXTRA STRENGTH Kool-Aid a cooking over there. How's the Joint Venture with Timmothy Miles's BBQ sauce comming(J/K).
Wally
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I am a lurker of a few boards LOL
It took me months to post on here, just getting my feet wet on R's board and no, I will not post on the others!
Take care.
Good night to all and to all a good night
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Ocqueoc,
You are so right. Heck, I can't even trust myself anymore and I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. But one thing I do know is that I know what I don't know.
Wally
LOL All I know is I read your last line 3 times before it made sense, boy, I do need some sleep Posted by dollar13 on :
SOME ONE IS TOO MUCH
LOL
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Tut - is that you? (just kidding Griff)
From Rufus' board...
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Got to go for the day. But try to believe that Rufus has taken care of each and everyone of us and the very near future will prove that out. THIS JOURNEY IS OVER, WE ARE HOME SAFE. And no I can share with you how I know that but it is very true
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lol, Jenna?
you said:
"they are talking about a lot of things we haven't even discussed here or even knew about...."
then you post THAT?
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Don't know what they are talking about here:
Rufus' board:
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just wanted to let everyone know I got another response back about the FOI Act Request. The technician said they are satisfying an Executive Order for the request and MAY take 60 to 90 days to get me the info. Then she said a normal request usually takes 20 days??? Not sure what to make of this , maybe Con Carne can tell us if this is normal. Maybe it takes an Executive Order because of the SEC case in federal court, don't really know.. any thoughts anyone???
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Yesterday at 5:58pm, weallwin wrote:Just wanted to let everyone know I got another response back about the FOI Act Request. The technician said they are satisfying an Executive Order for the request and MAY take 60 to 90 days to get me the info. Then she said a normal request usually takes 20 days??? Not sure what to make of this , maybe Con Carne can tell us if this is normal. Maybe it takes an Executive Order because of the SEC case in federal court, don't really know.. any thoughts anyone???
Simple...
If they are "satisfying an Executive Order for the request... " That should mean that they have gotten the same request (IE: for same information) handed to them through "executive order".
Whoever the "executive" is must be a wee bit more important than you so it will take longer to get the information to you as the "executive order" must be handled first.
Hmmmm.....
Who hands down "Executive Orders" in the federal government???......
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Jenna? I think the FOI ACT=Freedon of information act... Not sure where or who they are requesting the information from or about...
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You did establish an important fact. Nice work.
CSHD FOI requests to the SEC are currently being blocked due to Executive Order. That EO prohibits the SEC from satisfying requests for fail data via FOI channels on regular timeframes. Executive branch is gathering fail data. NSS trades fail.
Posted by Jenna on :
10- It's about share structure or something - I will pull more....sorry guys but I think this is useful & worth talking about...
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Who hands down "Executive Orders" in the federal government???......
We are assuming that this FOI is from a federal goverment? But it could be simply of a certain company? Correct?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What I don't understand is why would it take an Excutive Order for an FOI request unless there is some kind of pending investigation....remember the request was for simple data; just the # of FTDs in a certian time frame,,,,It does make one go HHHMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!!
Rufus, if I'm screwing anything up your already into let me know
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Don't know what they are talking about here:
Rufus' board:
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just wanted to let everyone know I got another response back about the FOI Act Request. The technician said they are satisfying an Executive Order for the request and MAY take 60 to 90 days to get me the info. Then she said a normal request usually takes 20 days??? Not sure what to make of this , maybe Con Carne can tell us if this is normal. Maybe it takes an Executive Order because of the SEC case in federal court, don't really know.. any thoughts anyone???
ya, that kinda makes sense: many folks get confused about FOI requests.
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Well, you wrote the quote so double check the context, but thats what I got out of it.
Lemme go ahead and say it instead of posing a teaser.
Executive Orders come from the Executive Branch of the federal government...
IE : The White House
Is that REALLY what concarne wanted us to find out? Because that seems like the biggest piece of information we have gotten since the halt!!!
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OK..So the FOI is For the SEC...which wouldn't necessarily mean the government...would it?
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Well, you wrote the quote so double check the context, but thats what I got out of it.
Lemme go ahead and say it instead of posing a teaser.
Executive Orders come from the Executive Branch of the federal government...
IE : The White House
Is that REALLY what concarne wanted us to find out? Because that seems like the biggest piece of information we have gotten since the halt!!!
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Somebody different than weallwin make a FOI request for FHAL from 1/1/2006-8/3/2006.
Why would I ask for that?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The answer defines the scope of the Executive Order.
If no issue then the EO covers only the time under the new CUSIP. If there is an issue then the EO covers FHAL and CSHD.
Plus, the results will let us know the 8/3 fail data under FHAL ticker, something not specifically asked for by weallwin.
Did anyone construct the REGSHO timeline using T + 3 and the 5 day fail provision to find out what day the trade happened that triggered FHAL threshold reporting per REGSHO?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You did establish an important fact. Nice work.
CSHD FOI requests to the SEC are currently being blocked due to Executive Order. That EO prohibits the SEC from satisfying requests for fail data via FOI channels on regular timeframes. Executive branch is gathering fail data. NSS trades fail.
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quote:Originally posted by dollar13: SOME ONE STILL TOO MUCH
LOL
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Yesterday at 7:15pm, concarne wrote: Yesterday at 7:04pm, Dad Roman wrote:
Simple...
If they are "satisfying an Executive Order for the request... " That should mean that they have gotten the same request (IE: for same information) handed to them through "executive order".
Whoever the "executive" is must be a wee bit more important than you so it will take longer to get the information to you as the "executive order" must be handled first.
Hmmmm.....
Who hands down "Executive Orders" in the federal government???......
That would be the Executive Branch of our federal government.
This is getting more interesting every day. Rufus said John A got a response from Bush. I am now wondering who told Rufus about the response. I had always thought it was John A.
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: OK..So the FOI is For the SEC...which wouldn't necessarily mean the government...would it?
ya...that's really the only way to "worm" into the DTCC...
SEC is federal, hence the oversight committees in Congress.
Problem is, you can word your FOI request in such a way as to obtain almost nothing, OR get overwhelmed, both by pages of material AND the cost per page...
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I think I did enough for today....sorry guys but I thought this may be interesting eventhough I haven't a clue really what it means.....this is where I say...... ....so Big Tex...what does this all mean in "Baby Trader" language?
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ARE WE IN ALLSTOCKS????? OR SOME WHERE ELSE
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: concarne Junior Member
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You did establish an important fact. Nice work.
CSHD FOI requests to the SEC are currently being blocked due to Executive Order. That EO prohibits the SEC from satisfying requests for fail data via FOI channels on regular timeframes. Executive branch is gathering fail data. NSS trades fail.
Good stuff!
doesn't matter whether it's true...
if you catch my drift...easily verifiable--well, OK, not necesarily that this particular request was blocked--but EASY to check if there's a block on NOW....
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Interesting huh Tex?...huh 10?
Dollar, sorry to wake you from your slumber but this kool-aide is delicious & I haven't had it since I was 13!
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Yesterday at 8:35pm, respectisearned wrote:Can anyone post again what the exact wording of our FOIA request should be when we send it to the SEC?
E-mail Celia * winterm*sec.gov and say you would like to file an FOI Act request for FHAL short interest. Mention it was a REGSHO security. Ask for the date and # of Fails for each date from 1/1/2006 to 8/3/2006. Ask how long it will take to get the Information... Posted by Jenna on :
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Yesterday at 8:35pm, respectisearned wrote:Can anyone post again what the exact wording of our FOIA request should be when we send it to the SEC?
eamil them at: foiapa*sec.gov
and kinda use this guide but put in what info you want
Dear Sir: Under the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), please send me the records of FHAL fail to delivers from Jan1, 2006 to June 30, 2006 (whatever dates ya want) .
I will pay up to $ ?? (who knows how much time it would take for them to research it but ya may wanna put something down.) for search and review fees. My daytime telephone number is (___)_______________.
Approximatly how long will it take to receive this information?
Sincerely,
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Posted by dollar13 on :
Dollar, sorry to wake you from your slumber but this kool-aide is delicious & I haven't had it since I was 13!
LOL
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK JENNA YOU ARE ALMOST GETTING THERE!!!!!
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Tex, I would LOVE it if you emailed them!!!!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I think I did enough for today....sorry guys but I thought this may be interesting eventhough I haven't a clue really what it means.....this is where I say...... ....so Big Tex...what does this all mean in "Baby Trader" language?
lol, that latest post *is* material...
good work.
Being blocked on an FOI request is ALWAYS a red flag to a reporter
Lying, BS-ing about such would be revealing, also...on the company's part, I mean.
my gut feeling? IF such a block exists? would point to a screw-up w/in the gov't, which would not necessarily help this company's case...it could, but I doubt it.
Usually, these agencies are more concerned about having nothing come back on them that causes anybody to get fired.
For instance, when I was writing about Superfund abuses, I caught a state employee lying. He wasn't protecting the company--he was covering his own azz. His boss covered him by giving me more than I had originally wanted: full access to ALL their regional files...
was a good story...
Anyway, hope you catch my drift: lottsa trade-offs...
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DRINK THE KOOLAID AND BE FREE!!! BOO!!! YAA!!!
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- An executive order in the United States of America is an edict issued by the President of the United States, the head of the executive branch of the United States Government. In other countries, similar edicts may be known as decrees, or orders-in-council. The concept of an executive order is loosely derived from the grant of "executive power" given to the President by Article Two of the United States Constitution, Section 1, and the statement "take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed" in Article II, Section 3.
Presidents of the United States have issued executive orders since 1789, usually to help direct the operation of executive officers. Some orders do have the force of law when made in pursuance of certain Acts of Congress of the United States, when those act give the President discretionary powers.
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Looks like someone shares the same idea as you Tex....
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ya know.. one thing about an executive order that is preventing us from getting the short information. At least it tells us someone else is looking into this for sure now. Why else would they stop people from getting that information? Unless they were investigating something, or covering it up.. Posted by Jenna on :
Whooa, It's past my bedtime....past midnight....good night all.
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Looks like someone shares the same idea as you Tex....
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ya know.. one thing about an executive order that is preventing us from getting the short information. At least it tells us someone else is looking into this for sure now. Why else would they stop people from getting that information? Unless they were investigating something, or covering it up..
Jenna, the problem with that is two-fold: (1) "short info" is posted...only monthly, yes, but trackable (2) IF somehow this particular FOI leads to anything? it won't be about this company, but endemic to the system...in which case, it's highly unlikely we retail traders will ever know about it.
In other words, was this company's shares ever naked-shorted? Almost certainly...
Was it ever to the extent as claimed? almost certainly not...
Cutting through all the fog, this remains a toxic-funding play...
Have many, many traders learned from this play?
Boy...I hope so...but realistically? Not so many as would help the trading community.
To sum up: follow the FOI lead--we need to see if a "block" actually exists.
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quote:Originally posted by dollar13: Dollar, sorry to wake you from your slumber but this kool-aide is delicious & I haven't had it since I was 13!
LOL
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK JENNA YOU ARE ALMOST GETTING THERE!!!!!
Where? To Crazyville? I live there..... Posted by Jenna on :
Really I meant it now...Good Night...or shall I say.....
may you have....
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Champagne Wishes.....
&
Cavair Dreams!!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Really I meant it now...Good Night...or shall I say.....
may you have....
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Champagne Wishes.....
&
Cavair Dreams!!!!!
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cavair?
lol, read back...
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OOOPs CavIAr- spelled it wrong....what a poopy head...need sleep....sugar high from Kool-aid wearing off....YAwn.....night night...
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lol...
sleep tight
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CHINA TO TAKE DOWN WORLD MARKETS by Christopher Laird PrudentSquirrel.com March 27, 2007
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I see you guys were discussing the Executive order info last night from the pro board....I don't know if any of you had these links....
Today at 8:33am, manoftruth wrote:Good morning all We are eagerly waiting for your direction Mr Harris!Whats next?
YOU are in the bow of a canoe as it enters a rough stretch of river. Huge boulders loom up through cascades of foam and spray. You try to fend them off. The person behind you is supposed to help steer the craft, but he has little experience. Worse yet, you have no map, so you have no idea whether these rapids will end in a calm pool or in a waterfall.
Not a pleasant scenario, is it? So let us change it. Imagine that you have an experienced guide with you, one who knows this river’s every rock, every bend. He knew far ahead that this white water was approaching, he knows how it will end, and he knows how to negotiate his way through it. Would you not feel far more secure? Mr Harris we trust you and your direction but a lot here are getting really tired and frustrated of this situation! God Bless!
In that situation I would be forced to depend on the guide, pay attention to his actions, attempt to read his composure;
The decision on whether I relax and enjoy the ride, would be based upon how informative the guide has been during the trip thus far;
At this stage,(We are just leaving a little BBQ place 2/3 of the way on the river ride) and I guess the guide might say something like this; “You have to admit the class 1 rapids we just went through, at one time, were a lot of fun. Put your vest and helmet on, we have one more exciting bend, expect a few small rocks on the left and then the right, This part of the river has always been considered as the WOW part of this ride” (Everyone securely plants their foothold and prepares as our pace slowly starts to pick up; You can hear the sound of rushing water ahead)
GODSPEED
Posted by lostone on :
LOL.. man, i really don't know how to feel in response to CSHD and RPH anymore.. this guy is something..
Posted by unclerudy on :
He is a crack head. Plain and simple. How about just releasing a nice PR, saying that we are moving to a new exchange, and we are off the greys. And that some MM wants to quote us. Until then, it is just ravings of a lunatic mind.
Posted by lookin2trade on :
I apologize for the deleted posts, I am just learning how to use this board. I bought this stock a few weeks ago without looking into it first. I see now that there are strange things going on. I guess I will just sit back and see what happens now.
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quote:Originally posted by lookin2trade: I apologize for the deleted posts, I am just learning how to use this board. I bought this stock a few weeks ago without looking into it first. I see now that there are strange things going on. I guess I will just sit back and see what happens now.
It's ok lookin....we have all been there! GLTY
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First we are flying with a Phoenix to the gates of victory, now we are in a canoe floating in rough water.....what next? I want a different adventure, I get sea sick! Posted by new2stocks on :
from pro board......interesting read page 5 especially.
Do you know what Griff is talking about over "there" in regards to the date 4/4? I do not have time right now to go thru several pages.
He said something like, Sorry I was wrong about 4/4, it will be later.
What "guess" did he put for 4/4? Sorry St.Matt, after saying we shouldn't go by "guess's", I'm asking about one Hey, what woman doesn't change her mind? LOL Okay, I'm nosy!!!!
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Let's see, I just consulted my crystal ball and there was two numbers that kept coming up- 4/4 What could that mean? IMO, ofcourse
Posted by new2stocks on :
I don't think he really said much about it other than asking what could it mean? Maybe trying to get people excited that something was going to happen in his opinion. I'll look in to it more and see what I can find out. Posted by new2stocks on :
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Wow, i was over 2 pages behind! Finally, some activity on the boards.
Admittedly my heart isnt into this like it was 5 months ago but thanks to those of you that have brought over info from the other boards as well as some of the personal additions...Tex, Wally..etc. The Euronext stuff as well as the Executive Order are both VERY interesting. And, the best part is...they should both either materialize or not, we SHOULD be able to verify eventually.
tick tock
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OT~ Did anyone here get in DEXTQ today?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Read this with CSHD on your mind, so much the same:
- A Silent Lynch Mob - An Open Letter From Rod Young by Rodney Young I am requesting the presence of all who have the ability to attend Oral Arguments in front of the SEC commissioners on 10:00AM Monday February 13, 2006, at 100 F Street, NE, Washington DC (The SEC‚s Main Headquarters) in the Auditorium on the Lower Level (Room L-002), where I will argue Pro-Se Eagletech Communications, Inc.’s affirmative defense that the SEC has violated the Constitutional 5th Amendment property rights of shareholders by Regulation SHO’s ‘Grandfathering’ of pre-Regulation SHO delivery failures. The SEC has ruled the Company’s publicly traded shares shall be De-Registered for not filing timely reports. That ruling is stayed pending appeal to the full Commission and pending further appeal to the U.S. Federal District Court and its appeal processes.
An astonishing sequence of events has presented us with this unprecedented opportunity! Fifteen minutes eyeball to eyeball with the five Commissioners appointed by the President of the United States to send any message we wish. This isn’t about whether Eagletech Communications filed its reports and everybody knows it! This opportunity to stand before the Commissioners in my opinion may be the first, last, and only that most of us may ever have. Let’s together figure out a way to use it to our greatest advantage!
This is a public meeting in a 300 person auditorium. Documentary film maker Hugo Cancio has agreed to film this meeting and the Secretary’s office has confirmed that filming such meetings is a common occurrence. The Commission will supply a court reporter; the transcript will be available for purchase the next day. Enforcement division attorney and my opponent Anthony Byrne has told me that Oral Argument hearings are typically available as real time streaming audio on the Commission’s website at www.sec.gov.
Eagletech has alleged in its affirmative defenses that the SEC has illegally taken the property of shareholder’s in violation of the 5th amendment to the U.S. Constitution. By ‘Grandfathering’ pre-regulation SHO delivery failures this agency of our Federal Government has conducted an ‘inverse taking’ of shareholder’s property without due process and without compensation when ‘Grandfathering’ suspended the settlement process which they are mandated to maintain in the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. By Grandfathering and then by De-registering Eagletech shares the SEC has taken shareholder’s property and given it to the criminal perpetrators who have sold counterfeit shares to the public with no intention of, and now no requirement to ever deliver them.
To everyone’s astonishment Administrative Law Judge Kelly gave leave to appeal his decision on this theory (see pages 4 and 5 of his opinion attached to this email).
The SEC’s Enforcement Division has chosen to blatantly ignore evidence of criminal Naked Short Selling misconduct and instead has chosen to sweep the crimes under the rug by De-Registering the Company’s stock. Eagletech has provided to the SEC the following evidence of criminal misconduct:
1 A toxic PIPE financing was organized by five managing directors of Salomon Smith Barney.
2 Ten days after the initial meeting at Salomon’s World Trade Center offices the now convicted Anthony Elgindy and his Short Selling Cartel appeared on chat boards claiming that Eagletech’s was a scam and that its press releases announcing its patent were false. The patent was issued 30 days later as well as a second patent a year later. Within the year Eagletech successfully deployed its technology in the three largest telecommunications markets in the Southeast U.S., making its “Eagle1Call” product available to 9.5 million people who could purchase provision and maintain the product from the Internet in a matter of minutes.
3 Elgindy associate Peter Michaelson testified in the Elgindy trial that he and others routinely contacted the SEC with tips of “Scam Companies” his organization had targeted.
4 Within a few months SEC enforcement attorney Justin Arnold issued a subpoena for information parroting nearly word for word Michaelson’s false allegations.
5 In an article published by author James Cummins, former 15 year former SEC Enforcement Attorney Brent Baker was quoted “For years the SEC was unable to control the infamous ‘pump-and-dump’ schemes of stock market criminals across the country, and actually developed a culture that believed that illegal naked short selling may be a counterbalancing force to the pump-and-dump.” A stunning admission!
6 On July 10, 2002 Forbes Magazine published the first national ‘expose’ of the ‘Naked Short Selling/Toxic Financing’ problem wherein Rod Young and Eagletech Communications were the lead subjects of the article. Three days later Washington DC lobbyist Jack Wynn told me that Steve Forbes was contacted by someone asking him to back off the story. A year later an unconfirmed source identified that someone as then SEC chairman Harvey Pitt. Wynn would later be drafted to author a position paper on the Naked Short Selling scandal for the Busch re-election campaign. They know!
7 Two Licensed Broker/Dealers at the CBOE (Their money ended up in the same escrow account with the five managing directors at Salomon Smith Barney) who didn’t disclose that they were Broker/Dealers invested in the PIPE financing, and began short selling Eagletech stock prior to the closing of the funding (Insider Trading).
8 The New York State Supreme Court granted Eagletech its DTC and NSCC trading records. The unprecedented ruling denied the DTCC’s request for a protective order. NSCC CNS (Continuous Net Settlement) Reports confirm that those short sales failed delivery for 252 trading days (one calendar year), making them illegal Naked Short Sales.
9 DTC participant 5099 reportedly a secret account at the CDS (Canadian Depository for Securities, the CDS is a subsidiary of the DTCC) failed delivery for 212 days. DTC Participant account 5099 is reportedly a special account that clear(s)(ed) through Euroclear for seven Canadian brokerages: Thompson Kernaghan, Wolverton Securities, Global Securities, Pacific International, Canacord Capital, Yorkton Securities, Research Capital, with now defunct TK being replaced by TD Waterhouse.
10 Forensic Economist and former Undersecretary of State Robert Schapiro analyzed three years of Eagletech’s CNS reports. He concluded that 37 DTC Participant firms used the NSCC ‘Stock Borrow Program’ to fail delivery of Eagletech stock in excess of the three day delivery rule and to continue delivery failures for up to 252 trading days. In light of DTCC Deputy General Counsel Larry Thompson’s revelation that the NSCC ‘Stock Borrow Program’ is used to cure only 18% of daily aggregate fails, it could be reasonably concluded that these 37 DTC Participants manipulating Eagletech’s stock represent only the tip of the iceberg, while the other 82% of daily aggregate fails promulgate through the Ex-clearing system.
11 The SEC produced discovery evidence to Eagletech in it’s De-Registration action, 49,489 pages and an electronic trade journal of 43,723 Eagletech trades over a 17 month period. The trading documents chronicle nearly half of the trades during that period were for the proprietary accounts of the Broker/Dealers (Market Makers) presumably using the ‘Bona Fide Market Maker’ exemption. For example: the metrics of a single days trading, May 12, 2000 revealed: 110 persons bought Eagletech stock, 3 persons sold Eagletech Stock totaling 81,934 shares. 18 Broker/Dealers bought or sold Eagletech stock for their own account totaling 300,778 shares. The marketplace reported 176,300 share Volume that day. Assuming there were Zero shares available for sale and those 18 Broker/Dealers used their ‘Bona Fide Market Maker exemption’ to fill the orders there is still a discrepancy of 206,412 shares. Where did they come from? Why weren’t they reported to the Marketplace? How’s that possible? The Metrics for May 15, 2000 are similar. So are the Metrics for May 16, 2000 and on and on and on… This data was supplied by the SEC as discovery in Eagletech’s De-Registration action. When it is put back in their face they won’t even acknowledge it let alone explain it! (See the attached Excel spreadsheet - Note that the workbook file contains 21 separate sheets)
12 In 2002 Eagletech made three official complaints to the SEC that it was being manipulated by illegal Naked Short Selling. The second of those complaints resulted in a meeting with Enforcement Division attorney Justin Arnold at the SEC’s Miami office where Eagletech’s attorneys gave him a three inch binder of evidence showing the manipulation of 200 companies. The third complaint was made by U.S. Congressman Peter Deutsch on behalf of the Company. From the SEC, even being a U.S. Congressman doesn’t get you the courtesy of a response.
13 In January 2004 FBI agents came knocking explaining that a New Jersey labor racketeering investigation turned up manipulation of Eagletech by its first Investment Banker Bryn Mawr Investment who had contracted Colombo family mobster Frank Persico’s Staten Island brokerage firm to sell Eagletech shares. Eagletech’s civil suit had been successful in procuring trading records from Bryn Mawr subsidiary brokerage firm Lloyds Bahamas Securities where the FBI had no jurisdiction. Eagletech’s attorneys freely shared the records with the FBI. Immediately the FBI brought in the SEC, and Enforcement Division attorney Justin Arnold into its now joint investigation.
14 In June of 2004 the SEC announced proposed Regulation SHO to take effect six months later in January 2005. A threshold list of company’s failing 3 day delivery would be established. Non Reporting issues would not appear on the threshold list (Pink Sheet stocks), not a mention of Grandfathering. In July 2004 the SEC announced to the media that they were “preemptively targeting shell companies ripe for manipulation for de-registration” (1300 now Pink Sheet companies almost all manipulated by illegal Naked Short Selling from the OTCBB or NASDAQ). How convenient, the most abused companies in history exempted from the new rule purported to stop such abuse, not because of the lack of transparency cited but because it sweeps the SEC’s culpability in using their own words “delivery failures greater than a company’s total public float” under the rug forever!
15 In an August of 2004 luncheon meeting with a potential witness in Eagletech’s civil case a member of the CIA showed up un-announced to me wanting details of the involvement of Jonathan Curshen and his Costa Rican Offshore asset protection company Red Sea Management in the demise of Eagletech. I was encouraged to write a criminal referral to the U.S. Secret Service who is charged with investigating counterfeiting of corporate securities under 18-USC-514. I authored 15 pages with 100 pages of evidence implicating the SEC and the DTCC as accessories to the crime. That referral was hand delivered to the Secret Service in Washington DC as a courtesy by the agent.
16 The NBC Dateline Debacle. Does anyone doubt the power of the wealthiest entity on earth the DTCC, the real owner of most all of the shares of every company in America, and held for your benefit. OK when they are benevolent, but what about when they manipulate the media, and threaten their detractors. The public doesn’t know it but at least half of the B-roll footage of me was shot after the cancellation of the April 10th scheduled airing. The story you saw on July 31st wasn’t the story ready for broadcast on April 10th. Producer Sharon Hoffman who should have resigned in protest was rewarded with a promotion to senior producer at NBC News a week later. Between 2:48 PM on July 6, 2005 and 7:22 PM on July 31, 2005 I received 11 threatening phone calls, the final one just about five minutes after the conclusion of the Dateline broadcast. You can be sure it wasn’t GE’s attorneys doing due diligence on the story.
17 Grandfathering! The SEC didn’t have the courage to make it a part of regulation SHO. Even they know how much it smells! They leaked it to the press in late December 2004 to an uproar of detractors, many of them still calling for a Constitutional test of their authority to suspend the settlement portion of their Congressional mandate to oversee the maintenance of an efficient clearing and settlement system. To the SEC and the DTCC efficient means de-materialization. De-materialization without transparency (access to short sale data) would be the final step in the perfect crime. I don’t know who to quote, reportedly somebody at NASAA said “Over my Dead Body.” Boo-Yaa!
18 Which brings us back to the subject of this appeal before the Commission; every shareholder of any Company in America who purchased shares and can not get delivery has a cause of action against the SEC as an agency of the U.S. Federal Government for violation of their 5th Amendment Constitutional property rights. An action brought as a Constitutional Tort under the ‘Federal Tort Claims Act’ in multiple Federal District Courts across the country is governed by the State eminent domain law where the shareholder’s property was taken (your home state). There is a multitude of case law in every state in the Union covering illegal inverse taking of property by Governments and their agencies. The governments successful defense using the discretionary exemption from Tort Claims in most cases since the 1947 case ‘Elizabeth Dalehite, et al. v. United States’ does not apply here. The SEC does not have discretion to suspend the settlement process (Grandfathering), even temporarily as they claim. The bottom line is they are vulnerable here. An agency with a strained budget, 1,500 mostly inexperienced attorneys, that brings 500 new enforcement actions per year would crack under the burden of 50 or 100 or 500 Constitutional Tort cases brought against it. The real benefit of such cases would be court ordered discovery of the short selling data that the SEC routinely denies shareholders, issuers and the media, under FOIA (Freedom of Information Act). The first survival of a motion to dismiss could alter the landscape.
In a perfect world: the SEC’s auditorium on February 13th would be filled with a silent lynch mob of aggrieved shareholders (CMKX shareholders welcome), the 13 State Securities Regulators who I would introduce as dignitaries one by one to the Commissioners, CEO’s of other victim companies, the media, congressional staff assistants, and our rock star advocates Byrne, Burell, Patch, Obrien (with or without the rabbit suit), Faulk, DeWayne, and Ferrara. My apologies if I missed somebody. My well rehearsed presentation would have had input from attorneys, State Regulators, and others and would have been released to the media ahead of time. I would have paper hand outs and a CD’s of evidence documents for media and congressional staffers to take away with them. The 13 State NASAA Consortium would be holding a press conference at a nearby hotel at Noon that day announcing their Joint Initiative and possibly the filing of a few cases against the miscreants in a few states. Finally the SEC would admit they are outgunned beg the Senate Banking Committee for help, we get our hearings, new clearing and settlement and Hedge Fund legislation, and a workout plan to settle the trades once and for all.
In the real world: I’ll take what I can get and I’ll soldier on! I encourage and welcome your comments and your help. This is our fight! The future for our children may depend on what we do here today!
Sincerely,
Rodney E. (Rod) Young Eagletech Communications, Inc.
Posted by unclerudy on :
New2stocks... What happened with that meeting? Did anything get resolved? Or is it just another example that we really can't do anything at all with the situation?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by unclerudy: New2stocks... What happened with that meeting? Did anything get resolved? Or is it just another example that we really can't do anything at all with the situation?
] I don't know.....I think it is just one of many examples of just how NSS is being ignored and is still allowed to happen.
If we connect the dots....Griff is talking about 4/4 & that is the same day that Euronext (the new exchange) opens perhaps he is alluding to CSHD being quoted on it?
On that exchnange every trade is attatched to a name so it would be hard to have an FTD..... can't hide....also if CSHD opened on the new exchange, wouldn't the shorts have 48 hours to cover???...would be nice huh?
...anybody from allstocks want to take a shot at asking the sec for an FOI of the FTD's for FHAL & CSHD & see if we get the same response as far as an Executive Order? I would love it if someone from Allstocks tries......who wants to do it? huh? huh?...any volunteers? Milliam, Wally, Tex, hey were's Cassity?
Posted by lookin2trade on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: If we connect the dots....Griff is talking about 4/4 & that is the same day that Euronext (the new exchange) opens perhaps he is alluding to CSHD being quoted on it?
On that exchnange every trade is attatched to a name so it would be hard to have an FTD..... can't hide....also if CSHD opened on the new exchange, wouldn't the shorts have 48 hours to cover???...would be nice huh?
...anybody from allstocks want to take a shot at asking the sec for an FOI of the FTD's for FHAL & CSHD & see if we get the same response as far as an Executive Order? I would love it if someone from Allstocks tries......who wants to do it? huh? huh?...any volunteers? Milliam, Wally, Tex, hey were's Cassity?
Griff also retracted his predictions as to the 4/4 date.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello everyone and good morning to all, Well, for those of you that saw my post about the 4/4 date, i apologize, I was wrong. Was just informed of this and was told there was more work to be done. Evidence gathering seems to be top priority right now along with crook identification. We must "suck it up" for awhile longer and truly believe that we are GOLDEN. Try not to let your frustration and impatiences dictate our day. We must beleive and know that Rufus is doing the write thing by us and will not let us down. This is a very sensitive operation and can't be pushed any faster than it dictates. Grif
This is such a joke...but still interesting Posted by Jenna on :
Gee, another date change....there's a shocker!!!!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
As the Stomach Turns is still turning
That letter from Rod Young was indeed an interesting read.
Posted by milliam on :
I'd be glad to do the FOI request, but someone mentioned putting a limit on the amount of money you'd be willing to pay for the info. I wouldn't think that would be too bad, but in the Rod Young article, he mentions almost 50,000 pages???? What's the going rate per page these days?
I'll look into it a bit if I get a chance.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'd be glad to do the FOI request, but someone mentioned putting a limit on the amount of money you'd be willing to pay for the info. I wouldn't think that would be too bad, but in the Rod Young article, he mentions almost 50,000 pages???? What's the going rate per page these days?
I'll look into it a bit if I get a chance.
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Griff. Just your opinion. Honestly, when do you think we some significant progress. Being pumped is great. But its hard to stay like that for another 6 months. You say you know alot is going on behind the scenes, that is great. Most agree.
So, if you had to GUESS. Would you think we all get some type of significant event (meaning returning to the trading, merger, end of SEC invest)
A: 1-2 B: 2-4 C: 4-6 D: 6-+
PS. I am not holding you to your answer. Just want your opinion.
Just a guess
------------------------------------------------- Today at 11:24am, griff wrote:
I'm out of the timeline business and so should everyone. What is important is that things are moving forward, that you just have to believe, faith is our best partner right now
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Very good point Griff. I agree w/ most of what you say. I don't think anyone can put a timeline on any of this! There just seems too many factors involved here going on simultaneously! The Federal judge, the infighting * the SEC, DOJ, FBI, White House. Plus we can't move until the TA has surrendered files and codes. IMO the canoe is ruddying in the deep end. I think the rocks falling Rufus indicated are these agencies and the TA. We are * the diligence and justice determined by them. Rufus has supplied the evidence, so please hang tough in the canoe and we'll see the calm waters. Many whine about when! Well I've been in a lot longer than 90% and I know we have a happy ending coming. We have the PPS BV $70.00, we have damages from SEC, We have RICO and of course the 6x1!! Remember that for OUR sake Rufus couldn't reveal the PLAN. We have either remained or bought in because of him, so let him finish what he started. I'm sure everyone will be able to buy the BOOK when it comes out and be able to say hhhmmmmm, I SEE HOW it all came together. WOW, and we were a part of history! Stay Focused and be kind to each other, for in the end all that is really important is LOVE. You can't take your money w/ you, & your heirs may blow it, but you can take the memories of the love you shared and left behind ! LOVE= GOD
Posted by new2stocks on :
Great post!
Posted by new2stocks on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just a thought...
RPH said from the very beginning, this was a stock in which he wanted investors... He repeatedly mentioned that flippers/daytraders hurt stock prices... He mentioned that this was a "Plan" to not only trap, but also destroy NSS of our company...
People are frustrated, upset, tired, emtional, etc...
I am very optimistic... Why??? Because I had listen to the words of RPH carefully... Some people want answers right now... You already recieved them... Multiple times from RPH himself...
It's pretty obvious that the shorts are caught, screwed if you will... Ok so what to do next... People on this board have figured out the numbers that would be owed to Conversion Solutions just to cover their positions after the 6:1 was announced...
Why would their be snags right now??? How couldn't there be??? RPH could annihilate the US markets... Is that what his goal was??? Not that I am aware of... RPH stressed that his goal has been for a FAIR market place...
CSHD is as big and bad a company there is right now... One that has the ability to single-handedly devestate the US markets... That is not what RPH's goal is... If we were to just move to a higher exchange and force the shorts to cover, brokerage house after brokerage house would go under in the blink of an eye...
That is something that I see unlikely... The purpose of all this is to expose and end NSS/FTD in US markets... Make it so terrifying for the brokers to play these games that they will never have the fortitude to NSS another stock again...
There has been a lot of talk about negotiations... I believe 100% that is going to be the only route we can take...
Ya see, the way I look at this is... We are the company that has finally been able to bring to light the very real problem of the NSS... Don't get me wrong, many others have voiced their complaints via lawsuits and what not... The beauty of CSHD, we have the PROOF... We have them by the short hairs, and everyone involved knows it...
We aren't going to threaten with lawsuits, we are going to make demands... Demands that are going to greatly impact the markets... But there will have to be some sort of balance to it...
Remember RPH mentioned this was to be "The gift that keeps on giving"??? You got it... When all is said and done, these crooks will be our "spin-offs and dividends" we were promised... But it cannot happen in an "Atomic Bomb" like fashion... It's too risky to the United States as a whole...
RPH promised he was going to "Rock Wall Street"... That part is done... He already did... That's why people's timelines are off... There has got to be a negotiation of the extraordinary measures going on as we speak...
RPH gave us the blueprints, he gave it to shorty as well... Some listened some didn't... The same thing that brought us (shareholders) here is the same thing that brought the shorts...
In the end, I expect this to be a truly amazing story, and I for one will be proud to be a part of it...
This is all my opinion... It's not up for debate, unless RPH wants to debate it... If you don't like or agree simply bypass my post... TIA... Link to Post - Back to Top Logged
Posted by new2stocks on :
Could it be that this executive order has been amended? As stated by this article.
Executive Order Expands Presidential Power Over Agencies By Michelle Chen The NewStandard
Wednesday 24 January 2007
The White House has quietly amended a key executive order to tighten the president's grip on federal agencies that enforce health, safety and environmental protections.
The new order, issued last Thursday, gives the White House's Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs (OIRA) enhanced tools to oversee and interfere with federal regulations on everything from warning labels on medicines to safety standards for construction worksites.
In a statement responding to the executive order, the watchdog group Public Citizen called the initiative "an appalling arrogation of power," charging the White House with claiming more executive will over federal agencies while circumventing congressional oversight.
The new powers build on a Clinton-era executive order that authorized OIRA to use cost-benefit analysis and other market-based calculations to evaluate rules and regulations proposed by federal agencies. Under that order, OIRA can compel executive-branch agencies, like the Occupational Safety and Health Administration and the Fish and Wildlife Service, to change proposed public-health, environmental and other regulations according to White House priorities.
The amended order enables the White House to oversee not only regulations, but also "guidance" documents that agencies issue to inform the public about how rules will be enforced - for example, an explanation of how a ruling in an environmental lawsuit will change the way polluters are regulated. OIRA can now scrutinize all "significant" guidance materials - defined according to criteria such as having the ability to "adversely affect" the economy in a "material way."
In a statement emailed to The NewStandard, Office of Management and Budget spokesperson Andrea Wuebker predicted the executive order will "lead to improvements in the way the federal government does business - by increasing the quality… and transparency of agency guidance documents."
Such "improvements" in the way Washington does business respond directly to industry demands. In recent comments filed with the administration, business groups like the US Chamber of Commerce complained that by issuing directives as "guidance," federal agencies are unilaterally expanding their regulatory powers outside of their legal mandates.
The amended executive order also now lists the economic concept of "market failure" as a standard for reviewing a proposed rule. In effect, when deciding if a safety or health protection is needed, OIRA could consider whether so-called "market forces" are somehow able to correct the social problem on their own, without government intervention. That view has been publicly promoted by Susan Dudley, Bush's controversial pending nominee to head OIRA.
Critics say the abstract market-failure standard is set up to legitimize government inaction. The notion of the free market having the ability to eventually resolve public needs, they argue, could become an expansive pretext for OIRA to dismiss crucial regulatory protections.
Rick Melberth, director of regulatory policy with the liberal policy-research group OMB Watch, said that while the full implications of the order are still unclear, the move dovetails with the administration's general hostility toward interference with business interests.
"They don't want regulations to impact the regulated industries that are friends of theirs. This is one way they can make that process slow down," he said. "It's a perfectly logical extension of their ideological approach to regulation."
Posted by 10of13 on :
You know...I believe in God...and consider myself a "Christian"...I don't even object to RPH saying "godspeed" at the end of each post...But bringing God into all of this is IMO wrong...and quite frankly I do find it insulting...BUT? that is IMO...It makes me feel that it is even more of a scam...Seems some posters are taking advantage of ones religious beliefs in order to "pump" the stock...leaves a bad taste in my mouth... Ya know? It's like using God's name in vain... (Stepping off the soap box...)
Posted by new2stocks on :
1 Timothy 6:5
5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
Posted by 10of13 on :
"Timothy" may be "right" Depending on how one "reads" what he "says"...
Have a great weekend all... Oh and "God bless! Amen!"
Seems to me no matter what version you are reading, the message is pretty much the same. Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: You know...I believe in God...and consider myself a "Christian"...I don't even object to RPH saying "godspeed" at the end of each post...But bringing God into all of this is IMO wrong...and quite frankly I do find it insulting...BUT? that is IMO...It makes me feel that it is even more of a scam...Seems some posters are taking advantage of ones religious beliefs in order to "pump" the stock...leaves a bad taste in my mouth... Ya know? It's like using God's name in vain... (Stepping off the soap box...)
unfortunately, religious-affinity scams are nothing new...icky, but true...
Posted by glassman on :
i have a particcaalaar distaste for mixing religion and stocks... it's like well, oil and water....
Posted by Jenna on :
The way to have peace with this stock is this:
No matter what "timeline" someone hints to or gives you....just add 6 months....
Honestly, I am now at peace with it & I do feel that it just may work out but I don't expect anything until Oct/Nov-ish....that way I won't be disappointed....
Kool-aid anyone?.... Posted by T e x on :
Ohhh, jenna....
the only way to achieve peace with plays like these is to recognize them for what they are...
you ever heard of Ockham's Razor?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: IronGuillotine Long
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Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 541 Karma: 100,046 Re: Friday, March 30th « Reply #263 on Today at 2:20pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just a thought...
RPH said from the very beginning, this was a stock in which he wanted investors... He repeatedly mentioned that flippers/daytraders hurt stock prices... He mentioned that this was a "Plan" to not only trap, but also destroy NSS of our company...
People are frustrated, upset, tired, emtional, etc...
I am very optimistic... Why??? Because I had listen to the words of RPH carefully... Some people want answers right now... You already recieved them... Multiple times from RPH himself...
It's pretty obvious that the shorts are caught, screwed if you will... Ok so what to do next... People on this board have figured out the numbers that would be owed to Conversion Solutions just to cover their positions after the 6:1 was announced...
Why would their be snags right now??? How couldn't there be??? RPH could annihilate the US markets... Is that what his goal was??? Not that I am aware of... RPH stressed that his goal has been for a FAIR market place...
CSHD is as big and bad a company there is right now... One that has the ability to single-handedly devestate the US markets... That is not what RPH's goal is... If we were to just move to a higher exchange and force the shorts to cover, brokerage house after brokerage house would go under in the blink of an eye...
That is something that I see unlikely... The purpose of all this is to expose and end NSS/FTD in US markets... Make it so terrifying for the brokers to play these games that they will never have the fortitude to NSS another stock again...
There has been a lot of talk about negotiations... I believe 100% that is going to be the only route we can take...
Ya see, the way I look at this is... We are the company that has finally been able to bring to light the very real problem of the NSS... Don't get me wrong, many others have voiced their complaints via lawsuits and what not... The beauty of CSHD, we have the PROOF... We have them by the short hairs, and everyone involved knows it...
We aren't going to threaten with lawsuits, we are going to make demands... Demands that are going to greatly impact the markets... But there will have to be some sort of balance to it...
Remember RPH mentioned this was to be "The gift that keeps on giving"??? You got it... When all is said and done, these crooks will be our "spin-offs and dividends" we were promised... But it cannot happen in an "Atomic Bomb" like fashion... It's too risky to the United States as a whole...
RPH promised he was going to "Rock Wall Street"... That part is done... He already did... That's why people's timelines are off... There has got to be a negotiation of the extraordinary measures going on as we speak...
RPH gave us the blueprints, he gave it to shorty as well... Some listened some didn't... The same thing that brought us (shareholders) here is the same thing that brought the shorts...
In the end, I expect this to be a truly amazing story, and I for one will be proud to be a part of it...
This is all my opinion... It's not up for debate, unless RPH wants to debate it... If you don't like or agree simply bypass my post... TIA... Link to Post - Back to Top Logged
That posts makes me laugh. No one is scared of a .02 penny stock and never will. Law always will beat anyone who thinks they can overpower it. SEC has too much power and crushed CSHD without even trying. This play is over and we all know it. It was devastating, but move on and play some other picks.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Ohhh, jenna....
the only way to achieve peace with plays like these is to recognize them for what they are...
you ever heard of Ockham's Razor?
No, is that the one we are supposed to cut our certs up with? LOL
Posted by Jenna on :
Occam's razor or Ockham's razor (ŏk'əmz) Pronunciation Key A rule in science and philosophy stating that entities should not be multiplied needlessly. This rule is interpreted to mean that the simplest of two or more competing theories is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. Occam's razor is named after the deviser of the rule, English philosopher and theologian William of Ockham (1285?-1349?).
Posted by Jenna on :
do you see how it applies here?
Posted by Jenna on :
I think so....
..basically, if you stick to what is known as fact without attatching mumbo jumbo & theories, you have quite simply what is known as the saying....."It is what it is"...or "It is what it is, nothing more, nothing less"...
How did I do? Posted by T e x on :
not too bad...in fact, "it is what is" sums it up quite neatly.
lol, the philosophers will take it to mean that, for instance, a tree won't grow more leaves than it needs...
excess is "wasteful"...
In "modern terms" you get the KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid...
lol, also applies to Sherlock Holmes: eliminate the impossible, arrive at the probable (my paraphrase)...
point is, simplest explanation is most probable...
This was a toxic-funding play...admittedly, with many wrinkles and some brilliant new twists. But basically MA got off the hook with AJW, who might *still* be converting...
remember, what Corey is doing--however questionable it may be--seems to be legal.
Posted by T e x on :
re: Corey...
add,
and very profitable...
Posted by BooDog on :
is there a tuition here?
lol
Posted by T e x on :
yup...and you're overdue Posted by BooDog on :
will you take my library card as collateral?
Posted by T e x on :
lol...library--all you read is message boards
Posted by BooDog on :
OUCH!!!
I don't even read the assembly instructions on a new product. lol
Posted by T e x on :
ha, my oldest daughter dubbed those assembly brochures "the constructions"...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Exclusive: SEC investigating possible 'pump-and-dump' scam
Inquiry looks into whether network victimized stock buyers
03:16 AM CDT on Sunday, March 25, 2007
By BRENDAN M. CASE and MICHAEL GRABELL / The Dallas Morning News
The stock tips hit millions of fax machines and e-mail accounts.
"Get filthy rich as the recovery begins," said one message after Hurricane Katrina. "Double profit opportunities from America's energy crisis," said another.
Investors bought into an Illinois roofing business, an Oklahoma company advertising a cancer-treating nose spray and an Addison producer of a video series, Racetrack Girls Go Nutz.
At first, the shares soared on the penny stock market, a loosely regulated bazaar of small-time companies where some investors seek to buy a piece of the next big thing.
Then, after sell-offs by some lucky or well-informed investors, the stocks plunged, taking millions from the pockets of recent buyers.
The losers in such cases often blame bad fortune. But the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is investigating whether they were victims of fax and e-mail stock scams orchestrated by a group of lawyers, accountants, brokers and consultants – many in the Dallas area.
The group "may have manipulated or attempted to manipulate the share price of certain companies by making false or misleading statements to the public," said SEC enforcement lawyer Kevin Muhlendorf, in an affidavit filed in federal court in Washington, D.C.
The SEC won't discuss particulars of its investigation, but such classic "pump-and-dump" scams are a high priority for the agency because e-mail spam and instant online stock trading make small investors more vulnerable than ever.
"With the Internet technology, there is so much more ability to get to the retail investors through their computers," said Kit Addleman, associate director of enforcement for the SEC's regional office in Fort Worth.
SEC Inquiry
The two-year investigation into what officials call the "shell creation group" is being handled from SEC headquarters in Washington, D.C.
SEC subpoenas, obtained by The Dallas Morning News, list more than 100 people and companies, and corporate records show that many of those companies tie back to a common group of Dallas-area business people. One person who comes up again and again is a former SEC attorney who used to enforce the nation's securities laws.
SEC officials cautioned that inquiries don't always lead to legal proceedings and that subpoenas don't mean that the people named in them have broken the law. The SEC hasn't publicly said which individuals may be under scrutiny, or identified everyone who profited from the stock trades.
But two civil lawsuits filed in Dallas allege that specific people profited from manipulating stock in companies that are part of the SEC investigation.
National Storm Management Inc., the roofing firm whose stock soared and plunged after Katrina, makes such allegations against David Gordon, a Tulsa, Okla., securities lawyer. He was once sued unsuccessfully by his brother, accused of orchestrating a stock fraud on the family jewelry business in Conroe, Texas.
The company with the racetrack video, Consolidated Sports Media Group Inc., sued Dallas lawyer Phillip Offill. He spent 15 years in the SEC's Fort Worth office and until recently was a partner in the law firm Godwin Pappas Langley Ronquillo LLP.
Mr. Gordon and Mr. Offill deny any wrongdoing. They say they are the victims of the companies' own mismanagement and misdeeds. And the business people accused of stock manipulation in the civil lawsuits contend that they lost money as company managers profited.
"This is a big, huge investigation the SEC is doing that involves well over 100 companies," said Jules Slim, an Irving lawyer representing people accused of stock fraud in both lawsuits. "We're not really sure who they're going after. The plaintiffs are simply capitalizing on the fact that those people have been subpoenaed."
So far, the SEC investigation has resulted in only one penalty.
On Jan. 17, the SEC announced an agreement with John Shrewder, an Oklahoma stock promoter accused of sending out 87 million faxes in 2004 and 2005 to manipulate the stock price of Artec Inc., the business with the anti-cancer drug, and other companies.
Mr. Shrewder did not admit or deny wrongdoing, but he acknowledged liability for $1,031,000 in improper trading profits and interest. But he will have to pay back only $150,000 to the U.S. government under a settlement with the SEC that considered his financial condition.
And this month, as part of a crackdown on e-mail stock fraud called Operation Spamalot, the SEC suspended trading in four companies that listed Mr. Offill as corporate counsel in disclosure reports. He also had ties to four others, including one that listed a company he controlled, Supreme City Holdings, as a major shareholder.
Mr. Offill denied ownership interest in the Spamalot companies and said he formed Supreme City Holdings on behalf of a client, whom he wouldn't identify. When asked about another company in which a firm he controlled owned stock, Mr. Offill said he couldn't discuss client matters.
Two of the Spamalot companies also showed up on SEC subpoenas related to the investigation into the shell creation group.
Taking a risk
Why would anyone send out 87 million faxes, or tens of millions of e-mails?
Because, experts say, in some cases, they're a good way to separate investors from their money.
Researchers at Purdue University and Oxford University recently found that electronically pumped stocks show "a significantly positive return" at first and then tend to collapse, leaving unsuspecting investors with big losses that they often attribute to the gamble of the stock market.
"What are you going to do? It was a risk and I took it," said Jon Browar, a Consolidated Sports shareholder who owns a screen-printing business outside Kansas City. "My kids aren't going to go without because of this, but in the same respect, there's a lot more I can do with $3,000."
Federal and state laws prohibit the distribution of unsolicited faxes to hype a stock. Both junk faxes and spam e-mails may violate securities laws if they contain falsehoods about a company or if promoters don't disclose that they have been paid to tout a stock.
For example, the SEC alleged that the Artec faxes understated Artec's debt and the number of shares available to make each share appear more valuable.
Moreover, while Mr. Shrewder's faxes urged other investors to buy shares, he was selling them.
"Shrewder was actively selling Artec shares for less than $.50 while he was recommending that others buy them until the price reaches between $2 and $4," the SEC said in its complaint.
Mr. Shrewder said in a court filing that he was unaware of any misrepresentations in the faxes. He also said he had disclosed in the faxes that he might trade in the shares. In an interview, he said his faxes only went to people who asked to receive them.
Expanded inquiry
The SEC opened its Artec investigation in December 2004 after officials noticed suspicious trading and price movements. By June 2005, the investigation had expanded to reflect interest in the larger circle of people who appeared to be involved in what the SEC came to call the "shell creation group."
After Katrina, e-mails and faxes enticed investors to buy shares in National Storm and in Deep Rock Oil & Gas Inc., an Oklahoma energy company. National Storm's stock price rose from 51 cents to $2.41. Deep Rock's price increased tenfold, to $1.11. Within months, both fell to less than a quarter a share.
Phone records of a Florida investor – who the SEC alleges played a role in producing and disseminating the faxes – showed several calls to numbers associated with the Dallas-based shell group, the SEC said.
Some of those phone calls, listed in SEC court documents, trace back to Mr. Gordon, the Tulsa lawyer for Deep Rock who also helped take National Storm public.
National Storm has sued Mr. Gordon, accusing him of masterminding stock manipulation schemes.
"The Shell Creation Group's activities frequently prove ruinous to the legitimate private companies they deceive," National Storm said in court documents.
Mr. Slim, who is representing Mr. Gordon and others in the lawsuit, said the company's counterclaim is a distraction from the original complaint. The lawsuit was filed against National Storm by Trucolor Inc., which is partly owned by Mr. Gordon.
Trucolor alleged in the lawsuit that National Storm cheated it by breaching a loan that had been induced through fraud.
In an interview, Mr. Gordon said that he had followed all securities laws and that he believed the information released by Deep Rock and National Storm was accurate. He said he didn't know who distributed the blast faxes.
"Believe me, I do not do pump-and-dumps," he said.
Consolidated Sports
The Consolidated Sports lawsuit alleges Mr. Offill and others made millions of dollars by perpetrating a pump-and-dump scam on the company's stock.
The company says Mr. Offill arranged for a merger with an inactive corporation to use a legal loophole that gave investors millions of freely tradable shares that didn't have to be registered with the SEC. Mr. Offill brought investors into Consolidated Sports, including companies that he controlled, the lawsuit says.
In November 2004, a junk fax went out touting the stock. Consolidated Sports lawyers say the fax was approved by Mr. Offill and drafted by one of his associates.
"The specific intent behind the blast fax was to cause the price of the stock in CSMG to spike upward, after which Offill's friends, clients and business associates, and entities controlled by Offill, would sell their stock, leaving the other shareholders and the innocent purchasers to bear the losses," Consolidated Sports' lawsuit says.
Mr. Offill, who has also been a lawyer for Artec, declined to be interviewed, referring questions to his lawyer, Richard Sayles. In January, Mr. Offill left Godwin Pappas to pursue his own practice, Mr. Sayles said. Mr. Offill said in a deposition that he didn't know about the blast fax until after it was sent.
"A fax of this nature – that appears oriented towards providing investor awareness on a public basis – is something that an issuer should never send," he said.
A trial in the Consolidated Sports lawsuit is expected this year.
A WEB OF LAWSUITS AND SUBPOENAS
Corporate records and lawsuits indicate the following people have ties to the Securities and Exchange Commission's investigation of the "shell creation group." SEC inquiries do not necessarily lead to legal proceedings or indicate that people named in subpoenas have broken any law.
DAVID GORDON A Tulsa, Okla., securities lawyer, Mr. Gordon, 45, has been accused of stock fraud in several lawsuits, including one from Consolidated Sports Media Group Inc. and another brought unsuccessfully by his brother. He was the lawyer for Deep Rock Oil & Gas Inc. and helped take National Storm Management Inc. public. In a lawsuit, National Storm called him a mastermind of pump-and-dump schemes. More than a half-dozen companies on a subpoena issued to a Dallas brokerage have ties to him. He and his associates have denied wrongdoing.
PHILLIP OFFILL A former SEC enforcement attorney in Fort Worth, Mr. Offill, 48, was a partner until recently at Godwin Pappas Langley Ronquillo LLP in Dallas. He was a corporate lawyer for Artec and Consolidated Sports. Consolidated Sports says that he helped orchestrate a pump-and-dump scheme on its stock using a junk fax and that two companies he controlled profited. He says he never saw the blast fax before it went out. Some three dozen companies mentioned in the SEC subpoenas list him as an officer, corporate counsel, or in some other capacity. In other cases, one of his companies is listed as a major shareholder. He denies any wrong doing.
MARK LINDBERG An amateur golfer, Mr. Lindberg, 39, of Coppell, helped take Consolidated Sports and National Storm public, according to Consolidated Sports court documents and National Storm annual reports. Consolidated Sports said in its lawsuit that Mr. Lindberg paid investor Doyle Mark White for arranging a junk fax touting its stock. Nearly 20 companies on the SEC subpoenas list Mr. Lindberg as an officer or consultant, or one of his companies as a major shareholder. And he received several calls from a Florida investor the SEC says played a role in the junk faxes after Hurricane Katrina. Mr. Lindberg declined an interview but denied the allegations in court documents. In a deposition, he said that he's never been involved in a pump-and-dump scheme and that he transferred the money to Mr. White's firm on behalf of another company.
DOYLE MARK WHITE Consolidated Sports said in its lawsuit that Mr. White, 49, of Colleyville, sent a junk fax touting its stock behind the company's back. Mr. White, a former Irving stockbroker, was barred from the U.S. securities industry last year, accused of manipulating a separate penny stock. In the settlement, he did not admit or deny wrongdoing. Mr. White did not respond to requests for an interview. In a deposition, he said he sent the fax to a distribution service after Consolidated Sports approved it. The company denies that.
GARY ZINN Described as an international businessman with ties to Bulgaria, Mr. Zinn, of Rancho Cucamonga, Calif., was sued by the SEC for not answering a subpoena related to the stocks of National Storm and Deep Rock, which were allegedly manipulated after Katrina. A judge ordered him to comply, and the case was dismissed. The SEC said in court documents that Mr. Zinn has ties to two companies managed in London, High Charm Ltd. and Putnam International Consulting, which each made more than $50,000 trading in the stocks. Putnam had paid a marketing company to distribute the junk faxes, according to a disclaimer on the faxes. High Charm and Putnam were also top shareholders in Consolidated Sports. Mr. Zinn and his lawyer did not return phone calls seeking comment.
JOSHUA LANKFORD An entrepreneur who once sold neckties in downtown skyscrapers, Mr. Lankford, 33, became one of the most successful stockbrokers at Dallas brokerage Barron Moore Inc., even becoming part owner before leaving. In its lawsuit, Consolidated Sports says he participated in a pump-and-dump on its stock. He denied the allegations in a deposition, saying he warned company executives that he couldn't raise money for them until they had revenue.
CHASITY THOMPSON AND JASON FREEMAN As a business consultant, Ms. Thompson, 28, helped incorporate Artec, Consolidated Sports and National Storm. Plano-based Routh Stock Transfer Inc., which she ran with Mr. Freeman, 31, served as a transfer agent for National Storm, Deep Rock and about 10 other companies listed on SEC subpoenas. Ms. Thompson and Mr. Freeman were consultants for several other companies on the subpoenas. Consolidated Sports alleges that Ms. Thompson falsified corporate records to help commit fraud on its stock. Her attorney said she has done nothing wrong. Earlier this month, Mr. Freeman filed a shareholder lawsuit against Consolidated Sports, saying the company fraudulently funneled money to a consultant who used it to repay investors in past failed ventures. Consolidated Sports lawyers said that hundreds of hours of video footage show the money was spent legitimately.
ih tex just dropped in to say howdy. these cshd boards still have great educational value for those who are willing to learn. posters on these boards come from vastly different educational, professional, and social structures of our society. their posts all teach us something. the principles of cshd all made money off of their stocks that investors bought and held while the principles laughed all the way to the bank. some of us still hope that the sec takes action against some of the people involved and is not satisfied with just putting the stock on the greys. have a great weekend all !
Posted by thedoctor on :
WOOOOOOOOOOOW ....... Get over to Rufus's and HSM to see info reg. JA. Apparently JA was having affairs and was scamming lots of people. There is a letter from Olga (John's ex-wife) telling about John writing his email reg his sickness and about his fatal disease. While writing it, he was laughing about it. There too many to copy over here. Sweetpea talks about her relationship with him also. Another woman has admitted the same. In short .... It appears that he is to repeat what his ex-wife calls him a "scum bag". Sorry to say ....if this is true .... I fell for it also.
Posted by thedoctor on :
From what I can see .... It starts with post #8772 Missemma001 over at HSM.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Here's the first post from Missemma001.....
Hey girl!!!
Thanks for the words of support!!!
I am about to lay it out for ya where John is concerned.
I found out that he is a compulsive liar! He was playing not only me but a few other women off of HSM as well. I think he could be illl, but not as ill as he wanted us all to belive. I think this is his disappearing act that he mentioned to us gals. He was kind enough to at least send us girls the exact same emails and pictures. He had us all fooled.
[quote=fewhourssleep][quote=missemma001 He calls me everyday from his cell phone and I call him on his cell. so his phone does work in germany. you might want to double check w/him on that. __________________
congratulation to you & god bless I was wondering if you had heard from JA lately....
Posted by thedoctor on :
More ....... from Missemma001....... Oh also found out that he is married. I received an email from his wife telling me that his company is just a front and that he is as poor as they come. She told me that they only had 6 bucks in their checking acct and coudln't even pay their house note any longer.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Someone asked if Emma would show us the copy of the letter John Arlitts wife sent her when she found out John was cooresponding with her.
Here it is
[quote=polonium-210]Wow! That’s very disturbing on many levels. Would you mind posting that message? Thanks.
Here it is:
Dear Emily! My name is Olga Arlitt. You have a corresondence with my husband John. I only want you have no illusion and understand something about him. We have got married in May last year. He got divorce in 2005 and hi is now obliged to pay support to his ex-wife of 3000 dollars every month. Hi has no money. The name of his company is only a beautiful screen. Last month he was not capable to pay our rent and we had 6 dollars left. His business has debts only. John has a serious problem with an alcohol. He is drunk every night. I tired very much to put up with it. You possibly want my husband for yourself. Well. I wish your good luck with this nightmare. I learned about your correspondence today. I shall not interfere in your communication. You can do what you want. This man does not exist for me any more. I am going to ask for divorce. With the best regards Olga Arlitt
I hope John is watching the boards still cause he deserves to be busted after the way he treated some of us!
Posted by thedoctor on :
Noob 101 has checked on its authenticity .....
Quote: Originally Posted by quest4JC Noob, what do you think of the email? legit header?
yep looking good JA was in BC !!! maybe OLGA loves him so much she wrote this. haha!
shes like BACK OFF HE'S MINE!!
Record Type: IP Address IP Location: Canada - British Columbia - Delta - Dccnet Delta Reverse DNS: mx.dccnet.com Blacklist Status: Clear
Whois Record
OrgName: Delta Cable Communications Ltd. OrgID: DLTA Address: 5381 48th Ave. City: Delta StateProv: BC PostalCode: V4K-1W7 Country: CA
NetRange: 24.207.0.0 - 24.207.127.255 CIDR: 24.207.0.0/17 NetName: DCCNET-BLK-1 NetHandle: NET-24-207-0-0-1 Parent: NET-24-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Allocation NameServer: NS1.DCCNET.COM NameServer: NS2.DCCNET.COM Comment: ADDRESSES WITHIN THIS BLOCK ARE NON-PORTABLE RegDate: 2001-06-26 Updated: 2005-11-28
This is from Polonium-210 ..... Let me preface this by saying that I perform computer / data forensics professionally. When I read this post by missemma001 I honestly thought it was too salacious and over-the-top to be true. So, I asked missemma001 to send me a copy of the header associated with this email. If you doubt the authenticity of missemma001’s claim, I can assure you the message was sent to her from the address arlittrealtycorp*dccnet.com, which is known to be John Arlitt’s email address.
[quote=missemma001] Quote: Originally Posted by polonium-210 Wow! That’s very disturbing on many levels. Would you mind posting that message? Thanks.
Here it is:
Dear Emily! My name is Olga Arlitt. You have a corresondence with my husband John. I only want you have no illusion and understand something about him. We have got married in May last year. He got divorce in 2005 and hi is now obliged to pay support to his ex-wife of 3000 dollars every month. Hi has no money. The name of his company is only a beautiful screen. Last month he was not capable to pay our rent and we had 6 dollars left. His business has debts only. John has a serious problem with an alcohol. He is drunk every night. I tired very much to put up with it. You possibly want my husband for yourself. Well. I wish your good luck with this nightmare. I learned about your correspondence today. I shall not interfere in your communication. You can do what you want. This man does not exist for me any more. I am going to ask for divorce. With the best regards Olga Arlitt
I hope John is watching the boards still cause he deserves to be busted after the way he treated some of us!
Results Arlitt, J more info 11531 93a Ave Delta, BC V4C 3P1 (604) 585-6449
Posted by Jenna on :
Well, Well, Well, I thought it was weird when he called (a friend) and said he had cancer & was going off to die.....quite frankly, it was at that point when I thought he may not be what I thought he was.....how "convienient", to be dying, just when you are about to be "found out".....
...sorry everyone....I fell for his crap...I believe he used me as a pawn to "spread the word"...I think I was targeted to do so....my dad told me a while ago that he thought that was what was happening....see always listen to your father.....Oh & guys named Mr.C.. Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well Jenna it looks like the mighty Tut was working on a disappearing act. Its unfortunate he REEEALY attempted to divide everyone in regards to "Arlitts Camp" and "Rufus's Camp". He drove a wedge between a lot of people. Fortunately I was able to discuss this openly with you and your Dad along the way without the wedge.
Always remember though, we still dont have all the facts....just a few emails. Im betting there is a lot of truth to the emails however.
But, this brings up a big question for me. Why and how did he get involved with CSHD? His wife says he is broke so he never was "heavily invested" like he said he was. He could have bought in back in June pretty cheap so im not doubting he has shares but it appears it may have been nothing more than that. Did he find CSHD on his own? Did an officer or other major player "bring him in" on CSHD?
I wish we had more solid FACTS but im glad to see what is coming out so far. Its just too bad hes likely out of the reach of the law.
The Cobra has struck Johnnyboy..........does it hurt?
Posted by Jenna on :
griff Senior Member
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Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 380 Karma: 45 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Saturday, March 31st « Reply #202 on Today at 4:50pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good Afternoon Everyone,
Be on guard tomorrow; it's April Fools Day. No telling what might be posted here.
So before tomorrow you should know that the Judge has to OK the 15c-211 before we can get a MM and back on the real boards; THAT SHOULD HAPPEN ANY DAY NOW Well, there I go again setting myself up with this timing thing, oh well
For the poster wanting to know about ROMEO; HE NEVER LEFT. This man is very well connected to major banks and finanical institutions around the world. I'm told he works for the UN and is being made available to CSHD
Posted by Jenna on :
terps Senior Member
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 349 Karma: 100,147 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Saturday, March 31st « Reply #211 on Today at 5:11pm »
we havent seen the judge yet so how can we get 15c211?
we have no lawyer?????
Terp, We have a lawyer. Have had one for awhile. Rufus confirmed it on the last SPR interview. It is being provided by the gov.
Oh, there is a great deal of communication between Rufus, lawyer, and judge. See the case against us by the Atlanta SEC is bofus, fraudulant. Therfore, the judge making any type of ruling for us or against us is unnecessary; the judge knows that there is no case to be won or lost. IMO, Rufus wants all the information to run thru FED court for the documentation to be unquestionable down the road
Posted by 10of13 on :
Anyone recall JA's name on the NOBO list? I don't! Oh yeah we "thought" it might be under another name...right? No wait...his girlfriend is in Texas? rmember that one? Oh and let's see...remember he wanted to start an organization for girls with drug problems...or was it run away girls...something about he had problems with his girls... Heck maybe that Olga chick is his daughter...trying to pay back her dad...cause he found her drug stash...OR maybe it is actually JA because he wanted all of us to think that he is wacked..or his wife is wacked... Hell i don't really give a monkey's butt! What I want is for the stupidity to stop and this thing to go away...it is really too far out of ones grasp to figure out who isn't who and why they are who they aren't!
jenna...do you know for sure that it is your dad that is posting on this board...LOL...just kidding!
Posted by Jenna on :
LOL 10- Dad? Is that really you?
If that's really you, when is my birthday?...Wait don't answer that!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Good Point 10, about John not being on the NOBO.
I think he explained that by owning it through an organization or something.....
10, if someone can lie about having cancer than they can act like they want to set up a fund for runaways...........what a Jerk!!!!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
I am NOT defending JA...BUT? Is he the one that actually stated that he had cancer? I don't think so... jenna? your birthday? silly..I think that you posted your birthdate on here..so 'thedoctor" would know it...but your dad might not...LOL
Posted by 10of13 on :
We have the 8K for the filing of JA taking over...But we have no filing putting RPH back in...so WTH...
Posted by Jenna on :
10- John did tell some people personally that he had cancer & was dying- that's when I started to doubt him because I thought that was a little "convienient".
Posted by 10of13 on :
But Jenna? Remember what I said about who to trust? And not everyone was who they say they are? Did you hear it from JA himself? NO ONE seems to be who they say they are...TEX? He is really BuyTex... Posted by Jenna on :
AAAHHH, I see.
No, he did not tell me that himself.
10- Who are you really? Are you Oprah?...
lol
Posted by T e x on :
lol, *lowww* blow, 10...
Hey, and don't forget the BOD is charged with replacing the CEO...gotta do it, it's in the bylaws, but dang it--no time limit, that I recall...
Also, I don't believe a judge would be involved in the form 211 process, except perhaps informally, maybe... anyway, no MM would touch it until the defaults are answered...
As for the rest of the soap opera...well let's just say anybody could be posting anything...not much value.
Posted by Jenna on :
Ockham's Razor
Posted by T e x on :
lol...yes, I suppose you're right, Jenna...
Posted by milliam on :
FWIW...James Gee made a big deal about JA being on the NOBO at the BBQ. I guess it was a lie, but I'm not real sure why he would have lied about it....just his MO I guess .
Happy early April Fool's everyone. The funny thing is people could post some really crazy stuff about CSHD on April Fool's, but it would probably be real!
Posted by TimW on :
There could be absolutely no Aprils fools joke on this stock..
We hear:
It dumps- no surprise Its going to the moon- no surprise JA took Rufus' daughter to mexico - no surprise
There cant possibly be any april fools joke that would raise any eyebrows, can there?
Posted by Jenna on :
I think someone said JA's B-day was 4-1...Haha...that's tomarrow...April Fools Day....
now that's a joke!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex...or who ever you are, you know that I adore you...regardless of your moniker! Posted by BooDog on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ockham's Razor
dam flash backs again
Posted by T e x on :
only the shadow knows... muahahaaa
Posted by PCola77 on :
You guys are all nuts...
And by the way Jenna, my Mom's birthday is tomorrow, as is her mom's (my grandmother, obviously).
Grandma = Blonde + Polish + born on April fools day...
Posted by T e x on :
sounds like some kind of charm to me, PC...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Uh, "charm" is not the word I would have used... Posted by T e x on :
uh-oh...
Posted by Jenna on :
PC- Happy Birthday to your mommy & Grandmommy....
Posted by PCola77 on :
By the way, wtf are you all doing up and on a computer at 11 on a saturday night? I'm working, so I have an excuse. The rest of you should go do something fun! (Or sleep...)
Posted by PCola77 on :
Thanks. I'll pass it along
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: PC- Happy Birthday to your mommy & Grandmommy....
Posted by lookin2trade on :
I thought this was interesting:
Item 5.02 Departure of Directors or Principal Officers; Election of Directors; Appointment of Principal Officers.
Effective March 26, 2007, Karen Shoemaker resigned as the Company’s Chief Financial Officer; Randy Moseley will replace Ms. Shoemaker as CFO. Ms.Shoemaker will continue to serve the Company as Vice President and Controller.
Mr. Moseley, 59, is a director, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Urban Television Network Corp. (OTC BB: UATV), a network of independent broadcast television stations and cable operators; he has served Urban Television in various offices and as a director since 2001. In 2005 and 2006, Mr. Moseley was an Executive Vice President and the Chief Financial Officer for The Furia Organization, Inc. (OTC BB: FURA). From 1999 to 2001, Mr. Moseley served as an Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer for Tensor Information Systems, Inc., a private Fort Worth company in the business of developing custom software applications. From1993 to 1999, Mr. Moseley served in the same capacity for American Independent Network Corporation, a Fort Worth based public company that provided generic programming to independent television stations across the country. Mr. Moseley, a Certified Public Accountant, earned a BBA degree from Southern Methodist University. He is a member of the Texas Society of CPAs and the AICPA.
Mr. Moseley has no family relationships with any other officer or director of the Company, and has never had any direct or indirect material interest in any transaction effected by the Company.
R.M. is a busy boy! This one was on another board.
UITA(.34)Utilicraft Aerospace Industries Announces the Appointment of New CFO Apr 2, 2007 7:00:00 AM
ALBUQUERQUE, NM -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 04/02/07 -- Effective March 26, 2007, Randy Moseley will serve as the newly appointed CFO for Utilicraft Aerospace Industries Inc. (OTCBB: UITA). Karen Shoemaker, former CFO of the Company, will continue to serve in a new posittion as Vice President - Controller.
Mr. Moseley, 60, brings extensive working knowledge and background to the Company, having operated in many executive positions in a variety of market sectors.
Mr. Moseley serves as a director, executive vice president and CFO of Urban Television Network Corp., a network of independent broadcast television stations and cable operators; he has served Urban Television in various offices and as a director since 2001. In 2005 and 2006, Mr. Moseley was an executive vice president and the CFO for The Furia Organization, Inc. From 1999 to 2001, Mr. Moseley served as an executive vice president and chief financial officer for Tensor Information Systems, Inc., a private Fort Worth company in the business of developing custom software applications. From 1993 to 1999, Mr. Moseley served in the same capacity for American Independent Network Corporation, a Fort Worth-based public company that provided generic programming to independent television stations across the country.
Mr. Moseley, a Certified Public Accountant, earned a BBA degree from Southern Methodist University. He is a member of the Texas Society of CPAs and the AICPA.
Mr. Mosely has no family relationships with any other officer or director of the Company, and has never had any direct or indirect material interest in any transaction effected by the Company.
About Utilicraft Aerospace Industries, Inc.:
Utilicraft Aerospace Industries, Inc. was formed to implement a system solution to the current problem of declining capacity in the short haul (or feeder) route segments of the air cargo and overnight express companies.
The FF-1080-300ER Freight Feeder aircraft is a new air vehicle which is the result of Utilicraft's extensive research and development. The FF-1080-300ER is revolutionary because of its capability to carry standard industry air containers on short-to-medium range/medium density routes combined with the aircraft's integrated air cargo information system for the freight feed market.
The FF-1080-300ER, an all aluminum twin-engine, high-wing, un-pressurized, fixed gear, single pilot capable, turboprop aircraft, specifically designed as a utility air freight transport system. The aircraft satisfies an industry-recognized need to cost-effectively feed containerized air cargo to the major hubs of the scheduled passenger carriers and the overnight express airlines.
The aircraft is also designed for short take-off and landing (STOL) capability. This feature makes the FF-1080-300ER the only short-haul, heavy-lift containerized feeder aircraft capable of cost-effectively transporting ten revenue tons over two thousand nautical miles from airfields with less than 3,500 feet of runway, expanding air cargo capacity to many smaller cities and airports worldwide.
For Investor Relations contact: Mercantile Ascendency Tom Collins (214) 461 3500 tcollins*mercantileascendency.com
Posted by Jenna on :
lookin2trade already posted that....
He is a busy boy....good for him... Posted by new2stocks on :
Wow, ok now there was talk in the Paltalk room about Darby Boland and his involvement with CSHD's SHC phone calls.....Darby Boland is the VP General Manager of Utilicraft....and is a good friend of JA and who had the connections to the market maker BMAS....which was the mm that JA wanted to use with CSHD.....
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Wow, ok now there was talk in the Paltalk room about Darby Boland and his involvement with CSHD's SHC phone calls.....Darby Boland is the VP General Manager of Utilicraft....and is a good friend of JA and who had the connections to the market maker BMAS....which was the mm that JA wanted to use with CSHD.....
Hmmmmmmm, so if Randy was linked to MA and is now linked to Darby and Darby is linked to Arlitt then i guess that somewhat links Mike Alexander to Arlitt eh?
Im not surprised but its something worth watching IMO. So now we have ANLT and and UITA to watch for. But, then again, im guessing that there are higher powers already aware of these relationships so hopefully WE dont have to watch anything. If they are all innocent relationships then i wish them the best of luck....if not, BURN!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Maybe CSHD will reverse merger into ANLT or UITA or maybe CSHD will be bought out at a 6x premium...There's our 6 for 1. LMAO
Posted by Jenna on :
Wow! Good DD Guys & Gals!
Posted by Jenna on :
Does Rufus currently have a CFO than?...does he even need one right now?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Does Rufus currently have a CFO than?...does he even need one right now?
That's a good question Jenna....I was wondering the same. Posted by Jenna on :
Does this mean Rufus has the SEC by the gonads? Does it mean that he may have proof of manipulation & either the SEC has to prosecute or they will be prosecuted? Anybody else read this the same way? Any thoughts?....
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 456 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 486 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, March 30th « Reply #253 on Mar 30, 2007, 2:16pm »
Mar 30, 2007, 2:11pm, pchianese wrote: Mar 30, 2007, 2:08pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Royal Flush
Have you been hiding an ace up your sleeve?
RUFUS' RESPONSE:
No I Stacked the deck per say;
Sorry, but the only way to beat a cheater is beat him at his game!!
It is like the Illegal Market Activity going on right now, If someone (agency) does not prosecute someone for it, We will watch as they are prosecuted!!
GODSPEED
Posted by milliam on :
Well, that sounds positive, but the prosecuting part sounds a little far fetched. Far fetched is what we are all hoping for though, so go Rufus.
Posted by 10of13 on :
I beleive that if you ask Portman directly? he will answer you honestly...well heck let's try... Mr. Portman? was Darby Boland connected to the SHC in any way shape or form? Do you know if he had these connections with JA and MA? Is there anything more that you could say about him?
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Wow, ok now there was talk in the Paltalk room about Darby Boland and his involvement with CSHD's SHC phone calls.....Darby Boland is the VP General Manager of Utilicraft....and is a good friend of JA and who had the connections to the market maker BMAS....which was the mm that JA wanted to use with CSHD.....
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I beleive that if you ask Portman directly? he will answer you honestly...well heck let's try... Mr. Portman? was Darby Boland connected to the SHC in any way shape or form? Do you know if he had these connections with JA and MA? Is there anything more that you could say about him?
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Wow, ok now there was talk in the Paltalk room about Darby Boland and his involvement with CSHD's SHC phone calls.....Darby Boland is the VP General Manager of Utilicraft....and is a good friend of JA and who had the connections to the market maker BMAS....which was the mm that JA wanted to use with CSHD.....
10 I heard it directly from one of the SHC members too, I don't need to ask portman.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by lookin2trade:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I beleive that if you ask Portman directly? he will answer you honestly...well heck let's try... Mr. Portman? was Darby Boland connected to the SHC in any way shape or form? Do you know if he had these connections with JA and MA? Is there anything more that you could say about him?
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Wow, ok now there was talk in the Paltalk room about Darby Boland and his involvement with CSHD's SHC phone calls.....Darby Boland is the VP General Manager of Utilicraft....and is a good friend of JA and who had the connections to the market maker BMAS....which was the mm that JA wanted to use with CSHD.....
10 I heard it directly from one of the SHC members too, I don't need to ask portman.
Yes me as well, I was in the paltalk room and heard the conversation between members of the "SHC".
Posted by 10of13 on :
I will still like to hear Portman's version...if he has one...
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I will still like to hear Portman's version...if he has one...
I think there were phone calls that portman was not a part of. Didn't he become chairman later in the game? I could be wrong.....
Posted by 10of13 on :
New2 it is my understanding that Portman was in from the very first call and on...He became chairman after Gee stepped down...
Portman? can you add anything to what was said in paltalk? Or verify any of it...?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
OK, now what did I miss? We ended up on the day and we have more "speculation" albeit interesting.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: New2 it is my understanding that Portman was in from the very first call and on...He became chairman after Gee stepped down...
Portman? can you add anything to what was said in paltalk? Or verify any of it...?
10, are you suggeting that I didn't hear what I did from the other SHC members? I don't believe portman was in the paltalk room at the time I heard the others talking about Darby. What is it that you are questioning? I sense a little tension from you. Posted by T e x on :
"Does he have a CFO?"
Did the BOD ever appoint a new CEO?
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: New2 it is my understanding that Portman was in from the very first call and on...He became chairman after Gee stepped down...
Portman? can you add anything to what was said in paltalk? Or verify any of it...?
10, are you suggeting that I didn't hear what I did from the other SHC members? I don't believe portman was in the paltalk room at the time I heard the others talking about Darby. What is it that you are questioning? I sense a little tension from you.
I did not see any of the discussion in PT. If I am able to get in touch with some of them tonight I will respond.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: New2 it is my understanding that Portman was in from the very first call and on...He became chairman after Gee stepped down...
Portman? can you add anything to what was said in paltalk? Or verify any of it...?
10, are you suggeting that I didn't hear what I did from the other SHC members? I don't believe portman was in the paltalk room at the time I heard the others talking about Darby. What is it that you are questioning? I sense a little tension from you.
I did not see any of the discussion in PT. If I am able to get in touch with some of them tonight I will respond.
Most of the discussion wasn't to be seen, just heard. Let me know what you find out.
Posted by 10of13 on :
New2? NO...I am not suggesting anything of the sort...i do not think for a second that you would knowingly post anything false... I was simply saying that with this information that you posted earlier...? Portman would know if this was the case...he was in on the very first phone call... Port?
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Wow, ok now there was talk in the Paltalk room about Darby Boland and his involvement with CSHD's SHC phone calls.....Darby Boland is the VP General Manager of Utilicraft....and is a good friend of JA and who had the connections to the market maker BMAS....which was the mm that JA wanted to use with CSHD.....
for real...Guess I'm missin' sumpin... what difference would it make about these particular "connect-the-dots" ?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
FWIW....When launching the CSHD website (www.cvsu.us) this morning, the server returns the following message "You are not Authorized to View this Page" , instead of the regular home page that was returned in past days.....and with only five dialogue buttomes - Home, Board of Directors, Executives, Governing Law, and Legal Notice.....all the other buttons no longer display......each current button displays the same aforementioned message, except for the legal notice button, which does display a paragraph about "The Laws That Govern the Securities Industry" . . . .....so, continuing to watch and listen, GLTA
Posted by 6digits on :
Babe, your little dog sure has grown. How was things in Tahiti?
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: huh? wheres da money? are we there yet?
ANLT -- Analytical Surveys, Inc. Com (No Par) COMPANY NEWS AND PRESS RELEASES FROM OTHER SOURCES:
Analytical Surveys Announces Nasdaq Delisting
SAN ANTONIO, April 3, 2007 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Analytical Surveys, Inc. (ASI) (Nasdaq: ANLT), today announced that on April 2, 2007, the Company received notice from the staff of the Nasdaq Stock Market (the "Staff") that the Nasdaq Listing Qualification Panel has denied the Company's appeal of the Staff's January 18, 2007 decision to delist the common stock of the Company. Accordingly, the Company's common stock will be delisted effective at the open of business on April 4, 2007. The Company's common stock will continue to be traded on the OTC Pink Sheets. Additionally, the Company will seek to establish relationships with market makers and commence trading on the OTC Bulletin Board as soon as practicable. However, there can be no assurance that a market for the Company's shares will develop. The Panel's decision to delist the Company's common stock was based on two continued listing deficiencies. First, the Panel noted the Company's non- compliance with Nasdaq Marketplace Rule 4310(c)(2)(B) requiring the Company to have: (i) a minimum of $2,500,000 in stockholders' equity as of December 31, 2006; (ii) at least $35,000,000 in market value of listed securities, or (iii) at least $500,000 of net income from continuing operations for the most recently completed fiscal year or two of the three most recently completed fiscal years. As reported in the Company's Form 10-QSB for the quarter ended December 31, 2006, the Company had stockholders' equity of $2,448,000 at December 31, 2006.
Second, as announced on July 27, 2006, the Staff's original decision to delist the Company was due to the Company's non-compliance with Nasdaq Marketplace Rule 4310(c)(4) requiring that the minimum bid price of the Company's common stock exceed $1.00 per share. In order to regain compliance with this rule the Company had to achieve a $1.00 minimum bid price for 10 consecutive trading days during the 180-day period ending on January 17, 2007. The Company was unable to regain compliance with Marketplace Rule 4310(c)(4).
ASI's Chief Executive Officer, Lori Jones, said that management does not expect the Staff's determination will have any impact on ASI's day-to-day operations. "While we are disappointed with the Panel's decision, we will continue normal operations and pursue merger and acquisition opportunities that can provide shareholder value. Our small capital structure and the limited number of shares outstanding has restricted the growth steps we can accomplish under Nasdaq Marketplace Rules. We plan to continue to meet our reporting obligations with the Securities and Exchange Commission and maintain corporate standards as we strive to build the Company."
Analytical Surveys, Inc., which has historically served the GIS markets, has recently transitioned its focus toward the development of oil and gas exploration and production opportunities. ASI's Energy Division is focused on high-quality exploratory and developmental drilling opportunities, as well as purchases of proven reserves with upside potential attributable to behind-pipe reserves, infill drilling, deeper reservoirs and field extension opportunities. ASI is headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. For more information, visit www.asienergy.com.
This press release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. The statements contained in this press release that are not purely historical are forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Exchange Act. When used in this press release, the words "anticipate," "believe," "estimate," "intend" and "expect" and similar expressions are intended to identify such forward-looking statements. Such forward-looking statements include, without limitation, the statements regarding the Company's strategy, future sales, future expenses and future liquidity and capital resources. All forward-looking statements in this press release are based upon information available to the Company on the date of this press release, and the Company assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. The Company's actual results could differ materially from those discussed in this press release. Factors that could cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, those discussed in Item 1. Business -- "risk factors" and elsewhere in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-KSB.
SOURCE Analytical Surveys, Inc.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Interesting DD on Rufus' Board....
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
CSHD Chairman member is offline Chairman & CEO
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 469 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 505 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Tuesday, April 3rd « Reply #395 on Today at 2:46pm »
Click here for a printable version Business Summary: Develops, produces, markets and distributes motion pictures. The company's business model attempts to combine the efficiencies realized by studios of the early 1900s with the artistic focus and diversity of today's independent productions.
Address 2020 Main St Ste 990 Irvine , CA 92614-8202 Phone: 949-777-1080 Website: http://www.camelotfilms.com Transfer Agent Transfer Online, Inc. Employees: 8 ShareHolders: 2300 Founded: 1999 Domicile: Delaware
NOTE 1 - ORGANIZATION AND SUMMARY OF SIGNIFICANT ACCOUNTING POLICIES
a. Organization
THE FURIA ORGANIZATION, INC. (the "Company"), was incorporated as Furia, Oringer Productions, Inc. under the laws of the State of Delaware on June 26, 1984 for the purpose of writing and producing film and tape television programs and theatrical motion pictures. By 1991, the Company had transferred assigned an disposed of its entertainment properties. In April 1994, Pat Fashions Industries, Inc, ("PFI") the Company's subsidiary and only operating entity, filed a Petition in Bankruptcy under Chapter 11 seeking the reorganization of PFI. The Chapter 11 was converted to a Chapter 7 Proceeding and PFI was then liquidated. Resultantly, the Company has been seeking a merger or combination candidate in any industry and has been inactive since May 1994.
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Today at 3:05pm, taxback04 wrote: Today at 2:46pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Notice: CAMELOT ENTERTAINMENT GROUP, INC.
GODSPEED
WOW!! On December 27, 2006, we entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement (the "Securities Purchase Agreement") with New Millennium Capital Partners II, LLC, AJW Qualified Partners, LLC, AJW Offshore, Ltd. and AJW Partners, LLC (collectively, the "Investors"). Under the terms of the Securities Purchase Agreement, the Investors purchased an aggregate of (i) $1,000,000 in callable convertible secured notes (the "Notes") and (ii) warrants to purchase 10,000,0000 shares of our common stock (the "Warrants"). The capital provided by the Notes will be delivered to the Company as follows; $600,000 upon closing and $400,000 upon effectiveness of the planned Registration Document.
You don't grow more than 700% in one year by sitting around. You have to keep the pipe full (pun intended). December brought AJW Who's Your Daddy beverages as well. For anyone with the time, go back and look at what happens to almost every company that Ribotsky's crew touches.
I read somewhere that there is commonly a 10x factor of dillution once the conversions kick in and most stocks end up with a more than 50% loss in the first year on their way to sub-penny land. Not exactly the Midas touch there, is it? The game makes it so easy for them to make money this way - lots and LOTS of money straight out of the pockets of small-time investors who get suckered into the pyramid scheme.
Hey Tex...look he's talkin' about one of your favs!
Posted by 3403 on :
I just read 10 pages of garbage.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Hey Tex...look he's talkin' about one of your favs!
lol, they're just now figuring this out...izzat what I'm seeing?
Posted by 10of13 on :
3403? It's CSHD...did you think it would be something other than garbage?
Tex...either just figuring it out...or RPH is just tired of waiting for someone to post about it...LOL
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 3403: I just read 10 pages of garbage.
Where have you been? We miss your querkiness around here.
"One man's garbage is another man's tresure!" Posted by luvforever on :
Hello there!~LOL
Posted by PCola77 on :
HeyTex, your mailbox is full.
Posted by T e x on :
oops...
thanks.
Posted by T e x on :
good to go...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: 3403? It's CSHD...did you think it would be something other than garbage?
Tex...either just figuring it out...or RPH is just tired of waiting for someone to post about it...LOL
he coulda' read here, long ago Posted by new2stocks on :
Sorry if my posts were old news to some...just thought I'd pass it around.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Big volume today.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Yep, triple the volume so far today and it's not een lunch time...
Rufus, is that you? If it is, STOP SELLING!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wasn't today (4-4) the date that Griff or someone had said "something" was happening? Maybe peeps are simply waking up and getting out...which is what should have been done many months ago...but if peeps are selling some poor sap is buying... Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Maybe it's the company buying it up to give us our 6 for 1?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Now 4 time the volume...
To the moon (backwards).
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Maybe it's the company buying it up to give us our 6 for 1?
Some how I doubt thats whats happening .........
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wasn't today (4-4) the date that Griff or someone had said "something" was happening? Maybe peeps are simply waking up and getting out...which is what should have been done many months ago...but if peeps are selling some poor sap is buying...
I do believe Griff corrected his statement and said that he was wrong about the 4/4 date. Has anyone been reading Bud Burrell's B l o g?
[URL=http://www.thesanitycheck.com/b l ogs/b l ogArchive/tabid/101/EntryID/557/Default.aspx]http://www.thesanitycheck.com/bl ogs/bl ogArchive/tabid/101/EntryID/557/Default.as px[/URL]
Posted by new2stocks on :
What's with BBAN's volume?
Posted by 10of13 on :
New2 I can't get the link to work...does it say anything interesting?
Posted by new2stocks on :
try this and take out spaces
Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks that worked..so he says that it isn't CSHD that he is talking about...but he says the answer will come this week...
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm, almost 5 times the daily average volume. I can't help feel somethings going on.
Posted by 10of13 on :
The volume IS rather high... Posted by GreenDay on :
2 cents is ugly, too close to subpenny land for my liking - yikes
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Have no fear, WE ARE GOLDEN!
Posted by 6digits on :
This Harris weasel needs to level with us and keep his mouth shut till he can preform what he says.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: The volume IS rather high...
remember the conversion rate...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
This stock cracks me up...goodbye $9,000
it was nice when I had you Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: Hello there!~LOL
Hey Luv!! We miss you around here!! So what's new at Rufus' site anything we need to be aware of here?
I see you are very popular & respected on that website, good for you!!!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: This stock cracks me up...goodbye $9,000
it was nice when I had you
I know the feeling ......
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Hey Tex...look he's talkin' about one of your favs!
lol, they're just now figuring this out...izzat what I'm seeing?
There are some very sharp people posting on this forum, one of the best I have seen. Humility, on the other hand, is sometimes missing.
True there are some on Ruffie's board who seem to be lagging behind in understanding the corrosive environment surrounding this company and the markets in general. Ironically, there may very likely be people who have a much clearer picture than you or I who are looking at us wondering why we are just figuring all of this out. Here's hoping we can learn more in future; constant improvement is the only way to maintain self-respect.
On a personal note, I feel that we have seen the true good, bad and ugly side of humanity surrounding this stock. Honesty, fear, teamwork and trust; anger, bitterness, deceit and greed; self-doubt, depression... hope and redemption. Will anyone take away the real lessons of this saga, the ones that go beyond money and are meant to make us, and the sphere around us, a better place? Some will get it, others will not, and some will not even try. Try, at the least.
Senator Bill Bradley, years ago, penned the following very thoughtful and pertinent message:
"Respect your fellow human being, treat them fairly, disagree with them honestly, enjoy their friendship, explore your thoughts about one another candidly, work together for a common goal and help one another achieve it. No destructive lies. No ridiculous fears. No debilitating anger."
That's the idea, Mr. Bradley.
Adieu.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hi everyone!! Just checking in.
I see people are still getting along
Be good everyone .
Posted by Jenna on :
What if.....just what if.....
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: What if.....just what if.....
Wouldn't it be nice. Oddly enough, I kept having dreams last night of opening my front door and picking up the newspaper with CSHD being on the front.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: What if.....just what if.....
Wouldn't it be nice. Oddly enough, I kept having dreams last night of opening my front door and picking up the newspaper with CSHD being on the front.
Oh my gosh!! Read a few pages back I had a similar dream that I posted only it was CNN....& on the same night St. Matt had a weird one to about a HUGE short squeeze!
What if..... Posted by Igor R on :
Can 3 dreams make a right? LOL, in cshdland anythings possible haha.
Posted by milliam on :
Crazy stuff. I still suspect the large volume and low pps is due to the dumping by whomever MA "gifted" his shares too...AJW is a good guess IMO.
Bud Burrel sure seems to have a secret that sounds quite intriguing. Anyone here have a guess at what the company is? Eagletech sounds like a good contender. It would probably be a great play if we could all buy into it now before the big news. Too bad it isn't CSHD...since we're all already tied up in it! I sure hope this complaint helps us out. I have a feeling its what Rufus is actually waiting on.
Posted by Jenna on :
Mill- Which ever company Bud Burrell is talking about- no matter what it is- so you think it could help CSHD?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Have no fear, WE ARE GOLDEN!
The Big Black & GOLD... Posted by SherriT on :
OK - just checking in for my periodic dose - are we drinking plain kool-aid, spiked kool-aid, or just plain drinking?
Posted by Jenna on :
Were drinkin' whatever Tex is buyin'!!!
Posted by SherriT on :
Tex? Posted by luvforever on :
No nothing really new just waiting on that **** on Monday the latest about that sanitycheck thingy~LOL
Posted by luvforever on :
Oh no no not popular though some do like me LOL because of my pics keeps them laughing.. This stock has taken quit a toll o everyone who invested in it. So I figure a lil laughter keeps them feeling ok for a second the least I can do.
Posted by SherriT on :
Honestly, I gave up on this stock in December when I finally dumped and salvaged some of my once thousands when I sold at .17
HOWEVER, I would be so completely overjoyed to see my pals holding make their dough back....that and to know I hadn't bought into the scam of the year....
Posted by portman on :
As promised...
OK, not been able to talk to anyone about Darby...
I do remember a Darby but not his last name or his company. I also recall it being said he could bring a JV in that would bring us both income and assets. I do recall he was a connection to an MM.
I really do not personally recall much about him.
Posted by luvforever on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Can 3 dreams make a right? LOL, in cshdland anythings possible haha.
At this rate though we'd probably go left LOL Posted by Jenna on :
He (Bud Burrell) replied to me but he didn't answer my question about Rufus????
Re: A "Tsunami" Headed at Our Markets!!!!! Treason Is what this is!!!!!! By Jenna on 4/4/2007 4:47 PM Bud,
Can't wait for the Tsunami! If we will not be surprised you are probably speaking of Overstock.com...........but just for the heck of it.....
....Have you ever heard of Rufus Paul Harris?....perhaps someday soon EVERYONE will....
Good Luck & thanks for what you are doing!
Reply: This isn't OSTK, but it could be a future analog.
They, like thousands, have all the same causes.
Friday and Monday appear to be holidays, but this gets filed the last day before the statute expires.
The complaint is going to be released to very select parties in the media as filed.
There should be major media coverage besides. A file sharing service will have the entire complaint accessible, and it will be up on Pacer after filng. I will be putting out the link to all.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Tex?
bourbon and branch for me...
belly up, lol Posted by Igor R on :
When's bud planning on putting the link up? Anyone know?
Posted by Jenna on :
....not sure he was saying something about Friday & Monday being the holiday so perhaps after that....???
Posted by Jenna on :
Re: A "Tsunami" Headed at Our Markets!!!!! Treason Is what this is!!!!!! By BRIGUY331 on 4/4/2007 5:03 PM Bud, where will this complaint be filed, or listed? I'm sure it will be listed here, but will documents be spammed all over the net? Will major coverage by any other sources take place?
Thanks, BRIGUY331
Reply: You will be able to find this everywhere, as it will be picked up by everyone with an IQ over 40, obviously limiting legal and bureaucratic absorbtion, but we will have to live with that. Life is a *****, and then you die.
I am reminded of a video of some great work being done by Canadian Snipers with a 50 Caliber. It was titled "You Can Run, But You Just Die Tired!" I speak of this figuratively, but there are certainly those that aren't doing so.
An old Wall Street Rag was two factors drove all markets: Greed and Fear. The Bad Guys here understand Greed first hand: They are about to learn about Fear on the same level.
The scum public officials who have been bought and paid for here deserve the same fate, loss of everything, and then total ugliness till they die, hopefully in slavery decades from now. Remember, the Romans thought life in prison was a cruel and unusual punishment.
I remain, as always, waiting for the Mother Ship in 2012, hoping they don't have the Hitchcockian Book in their Craft "How to Serve Man." In the Hitchcock show, that was a cookbook.
I know some of our leaders who deserve such a fate, along with their supporters. It is my view of treasonous liberals, particularly war profiteers and their lawyers: They should be involuntarily drafted into the "Glow in the Dark" clean up team for the much anticipated nuclear terrorist event should it come to us through our extremist Middle Eastern Friends.
I am facing a very trying year of three corrective surgeries to allow me to live out the balance of my life not in the continuous pain of the last 45 years. I'm sorry I can't take Mark Valentine and Anthony Elgindy on these adventures, but I'm not a surgeon, and I would probably lose them. What a shame that would be.
Posted by wallymac on :
I haven't been around much and probably will not be around a great deal in the future as things in life have changed substantially for me. Here's a post, I posted elsewhere regarding another stock I've been following and have a position in but it pretty well sums up my feelings in general. The negativity I have experienced with CSHD was never about my picking this stock nor whether it turns out to be a scam or not. It has always been about the repsonsible parties creating their own deadlines and then not meeting them. Enough said about that. Whatever will be, will be.
"I have been dealing with some family tragedy in the last couple of weeks. The death of an Aunt and my Father having a stroke being hosipitalized and now in a skilled Nursing facility hoping to regain the ability to walk and see clearly.
I comeback here and read the complete negativity of some posters who it is seems will be happy with nothing less than a PPS that moves up all the time and a business that not only continues to make money but provides transparency above and beyond stocks trading on the higher exchanges. Forget about the fact that they can buy this stock for subpenny.
All I can say is it's all relative and in the scheme of life a very small drop in the bucket.
From this day forward, I refuse to allow negativity to gain a foothold in my thinking. This dosen't mean I won't make mistakes in my trading of stocks nor in general but I will look for the positive lessons that can be learned from any adversity I suffer. If I lost every cent I now have in the market, I would survive and go on living. There are so many things in life that are more important. It would seem that some believe that every UP and Down Tick of a stock is life and death. IT IS NOT.
You can call me a fool for believing that this stock or any other stock is real and viable but you do not have the power to make my mind up for me nor do you have the crystal ball that allows you to see the future.
If you need to build your ego by putting others down, I feel sympathy for you and hope that someday you will gain enough self esteem that you no longer need the ego boost.
For those here that believe they have found something worth while, it's time to feel good enough about your decision that you need not answer every little dig that us thrown at you or the stock you chose.
This is all about money and dreams. Both are fleeting grab them while you can. Money can make you comfortable but dreams are what inspire us to go beyond ourselves and to achieve that which we never thought we could achieve.
Me? I'll keep dreaming because my dreams aren't for sale. Money, Heh, I'll make it, I'll lose it, I'll spend it because I certainly can't take it with me.
Good Luck all. I'll check in from time to time but my time is now much more valuable being spent in other endeavors."
Wally
Posted by a surfer on :
God bless you and your family Wally!!!
My mother had a stroke last fall I can sympathize with you in your time of need.
Your post speaks volumes... Thankyou
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Hey Tex...look he's talkin' about one of your favs!
lol, they're just now figuring this out...izzat what I'm seeing?
There are some very sharp people posting on this forum, one of the best I have seen. Humility, on the other hand, is sometimes missing.
True there are some on Ruffie's board who seem to be lagging behind in understanding the corrosive environment surrounding this company and the markets in general. Ironically, there may very likely be people who have a much clearer picture than you or I who are looking at us wondering why we are just figuring all of this out. Here's hoping we can learn more in future; constant improvement is the only way to maintain self-respect.
On a personal note, I feel that we have seen the true good, bad and ugly side of humanity surrounding this stock. Honesty, fear, teamwork and trust; anger, bitterness, deceit and greed; self-doubt, depression... hope and redemption. Will anyone take away the real lessons of this saga, the ones that go beyond money and are meant to make us, and the sphere around us, a better place? Some will get it, others will not, and some will not even try. Try, at the least.
Senator Bill Bradley, years ago, penned the following very thoughtful and pertinent message:
"Respect your fellow human being, treat them fairly, disagree with them honestly, enjoy their friendship, explore your thoughts about one another candidly, work together for a common goal and help one another achieve it. No destructive lies. No ridiculous fears. No debilitating anger."
That's the idea, Mr. Bradley.
Adieu.
...In My humble Opinion
As always......Thanks Humble
Posted by Jenna on :
Wally,
Thanks for putting all in perspective....family is what matters most.......
Good Luck & God Bless your family.....we will be thinking about you & praying for your dad.
Posted by Chart walker on :
Wally, prayers for you and yours ~
Chart
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Mill- Which ever company Bud Burrell is talking about- no matter what it is- so you think it could help CSHD?
I would think this would help us out, but I think the big point here is that, IMO, Rufus is counting on this. I hope that Rufus is in the know boat with this company. It seems like that might be the deal...he continually used the same dates that Bud posted in his ****. Either Rufus is piggy backing on Bud or this company, again IMO.
Posted by milliam on :
2 things on Bud's b l o g stuff...
1, what the heck was that about the mothership in 2012?
And B, I don't like the sound of the complaint being filed the last day before the statute expires. Why wait???
Posted by milliam on :
Looks like Jenna (and others) finally got an answer from Bud about Rufus:
Rufus Paul Harris is charged with numerous violations in connection with CSHD. You allege he has more power than anyone, but I can't find any substantial third party reference to it except on the CSHD boards, which I had a friend look at for me. I don't read or participate in any Boards, with the exception of when I trapped a key find on the Anthony*Pacific board at the behest of a key witness in that case, and forwarded the finding to the Feds through him.
The SEC's charging practices are so colored by their prior unreliability and prejudice that I can make no judgment either way as to the merit of their claims, or the validity of the CSHD representations. If the SEC calls him black, it means nothing to me either way except the SEC has chosen to be the pot to his kettle.
I know the CEO of the Tsunami company, and I can assure you he is not only the most knowledgeable CEO of all in this space technically, his company's principal asset was of such value as to cause his company to be targeted for a raid to drive it to BK so that the asset could be acquired for pennies on the dollar. He has put out material so challenging to regulators they have had to completely stonewall him, for the simple merit of his arguments and accusations.
The Regulators can never let his complaint go to trial. At a minimum, if there is any justice left in this country, this complaint should be the end of the SEC, resulting in it being broken up and its functions sent to two other entities, on the basis of the evidence of the complaint alone. The good SEC career officials will agree with this break-up. Joe Kennedy Sr set the tone of the SEC from its inception, which it has tried with no success to forget. It was a criminal enterprise when it was being built, and it has come full circle back to what it was originally, in classic conformity with the theory of organization culture. That concept asserts that the original culture of an organization is never completely snuffed out, and in this case, it has popped back up to take over the SEC, like some evil Ginn/Jack in the Box.
A terrible price willl be paid here. I have been a lifelong supporter of the culture of development stage companies, particularly those with life altering meaning, and I could never have made that kind of commitment if I were a pessimist. Yet here I am pushed into the position of being a harbinger of doom. I hate it, and I will have my revenge, in this life, or the next, on these vermin, or their descedents.
Anyone privlileged enough to have been given birth here owes God more than they will ever repay. No ending will be completely adequate or appropriate for those who would destroy this magnificent experiment.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: 2 things on Bud's b l o g stuff...
1, what the heck was that about the mothership in 2012?
And B, I don't like the sound of the complaint being filed the last day before the statute expires. Why wait???
I assumed he was referring to 12/12/12 (Day of reckoning?) in a religious sense. Just a guess though.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
What did I miss? Who is BUD?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
IMO if Rufus was already aware of the investigation Bud is speaking about back in June/July of last year then I can agree that he has a plan in place. But, I suspect that the company Bud is referring to has been going through this for a quite a while so I wont be holding my breath about any resolution (for us) in the near future.
If indeed charges are filed against members of the SEC I do feel it will set a ball rolling with several "death spiral" companies but lets remember that Rufus has not disputed any of the accusations against him as far as I know. Are the accusations true? Did he make outlandish claims to get the attention he wanted? Are they false and he didnt dispute them because he wanted some people to hang themselves trying to hang him? Proving that any bonds are in our asset management portfolio would not be difficult IMO, and I think several people agree on that. At this point I believe that they are either not in our portfolio or Rufus REALLY wants people to think they are not.
In any case, i suspect we will still be discussing CSHD throughout the year and we may STILL waiting for an explanation this Christmas.
Posted by milliam on :
I agree that it would seem to be easy to prove the bonds, but at the same time, wouldn't it seem to be easy for the SEC to prove they aren't ours? I guess this is probably a mute point with the way Rufus handled (or didn't handle) the situation.
I sure hope we're talking about CSHD come Christmas, but its in answer to everyone when they are getting expensive gifts from us .
Posted by T e x on :
not the way it works, Milliam.
Yup, prolly will remain a moot point...as long as the defaults remain unanswered. As far as I know, the BOD hasn't even bothered to replace the latest CEO...
Posted by TimW on :
Up 100% so far today!! WOOOT! TO THE MOOON!
*rolls eyes*
Posted by 6digits on :
Rufus shouldn't be so shocked that people have threatened his health. He has enjoyed his pyschological game on people minds and well being for the last 8 or so months and he can still get on SPR and laugh about the whole thing like it's some kind of game.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
As much as I hope that is not the case, I would not be surprised if we were still waiting at Christmas, It's already been what 4, 5, 6 months since all the nonsense started?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Wally, I hope that your family's health challenges work out as best possibly can be hoped for. May God bless you and your family members. My best personal regards, Bucky
Posted by Jenna on :
Just curious....Has anyone checked Pacer's?
Posted by Igor R on :
Last time I read the rufus board earlier today, there was nothing on pacer AFAIK.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
What's the Rufus board?
Posted by Jenna on :
You're right Igor....a few people there have checked & there isn't anything............yet...
Posted by 6digits on :
According to the SEC the validity of the bonds is not the issue. It's the ownership of them.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: What's the Rufus board?
Rufus has his own message board
www.cvsu . ********s100 . com
Posted by Jenna on :
*'s = pro boards
Posted by Jenna on :
Get ready guys..... Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Get ready guys.....
Get ready for what?
The Easter Bunny?
Posted by Jenna on :
...for THE BOMB.....LOL
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
MOAB, perhaps?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
FWIW, and realizing this news is not CSHD, but is interesting as it relates to Ecowood and ANLT ....J_U_ICE just posted it in the News Thread a short while ago . . ANLT (.42) Postpones Shareholder Meeting; Announces Termination of Definitive Merger Agreement
PR Newswire "US Press Releases "
SAN ANTONIO, April 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Analytical Surveys, Inc. (ASI) (Pink Sheets: ANLT), today announced it has postponed its annual meeting of shareholders previously scheduled for May 2, 2007. On March 29, 2007, the Company mailed a definitive Proxy Statement and Notice of Annual Meeting of Shareholders, which was to be held on May 2, 2007. The Proxy Statement contained a proposal requesting shareholders approve a reverse stock split for the sole purpose of regaining compliance with Nasdaq Marketplace Rule 4310(c)(4), contemplating that such a reverse stock split would help to bring the bid price on the Company's common stock into compliance with the $1.00 minimum required by the Rule. As ASI's common stock is no longer listed on Nasdaq, the Company has decided to postpone the Annual Meeting. Therefore, it is no longer necessary for proxies to be solicited pursuant to the Proxy Statement. The Company will reschedule the Annual Meeting at a later date.
The Company also announced it has terminated its definitive merger agreement with Ecowood, Inc. On March 19, 2007, the Company announced it had entered into an agreement under which both companies would be combined to form a diversified natural resource company. Completion of the merger was subject to the satisfactory completion of ASI's due diligence, in its sole discretion. The Company was unable to obtain the level of comfort necessary to complete the merger within the time frame allotted by the agreement.
About ASI
Analytical Surveys, Inc. is a San Antonio-based oil and gas company focused on participation in non-operating exploration and production of U.S. onshore oil and natural gas reserves. ASI is headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. For more information, please visit www.asienergy.com.
This press release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. The statements contained in this press release that are not purely historical are forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Exchange Act. When used in this press release, the words "anticipate," "believe," "estimate," "intend" and "expect" and similar expressions are intended to identify such forward-looking statements. Such forward-looking statements include, without limitation, the statements regarding the Company's strategy, future sales, future expenses and future liquidity and capital resources. All forward- looking statements in this press release are based upon information available to the Company on the date of this press release, and the Company assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. The Company's actual results could differ materially from those discussed in this press release. Factors that could cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, those discussed in Item 1. Business -- "risk factors" and elsewhere in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-KSB.
SOURCE Analytical Surveys, Inc.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: "FWIW, and realizing this news is not CSHD, but is interesting as it relates to Ecowood and ANLT ....J_U_ICE just posted it in the News Thread a short while ago . . ANLT (.42) Postpones Shareholder Meeting; Announces Termination of Definitive Merger Agreement
PR Newswire "US Press Releases "
SAN ANTONIO, April 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Analytical Surveys, Inc. (ASI) (Pink Sheets: ANLT), today announced it has postponed its annual meeting of shareholders previously scheduled for May 2, 2007. On March 29, 2007, the Company mailed a definitive Proxy Statement and Notice of Annual Meeting of Shareholders, which was to be held on May 2, 2007. The Proxy Statement contained a proposal requesting shareholders approve a reverse stock split for the sole purpose of regaining compliance with Nasdaq Marketplace Rule 4310(c)(4), contemplating that such a reverse stock split would help to bring the bid price on the Company's common stock into compliance with the $1.00 minimum required by the Rule. As ASI's common stock is no longer listed on Nasdaq, the Company has decided to postpone the Annual Meeting. Therefore, it is no longer necessary for proxies to be solicited pursuant to the Proxy Statement. The Company will reschedule the Annual Meeting at a later date.
The Company also announced it has terminated its definitive merger agreement with Ecowood, Inc. On March 19, 2007, the Company announced it had entered into an agreement under which both companies would be combined to form a diversified natural resource company. Completion of the merger was subject to the satisfactory completion of ASI's due diligence, in its sole discretion. The Company was unable to obtain the level of comfort necessary to complete the merger within the time frame allotted by the agreement.
About ASI
Analytical Surveys, Inc. is a San Antonio-based oil and gas company focused on participation in non-operating exploration and production of U.S. onshore oil and natural gas reserves. ASI is headquartered in San Antonio, Texas. For more information, please visit www.asienergy.com.
This press release contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. The statements contained in this press release that are not purely historical are forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 27A of the Securities Act and Section 21E of the Exchange Act. When used in this press release, the words "anticipate," "believe," "estimate," "intend" and "expect" and similar expressions are intended to identify such forward-looking statements. Such forward-looking statements include, without limitation, the statements regarding the Company's strategy, future sales, future expenses and future liquidity and capital resources. All forward- looking statements in this press release are based upon information available to the Company on the date of this press release, and the Company assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. The Company's actual results could differ materially from those discussed in this press release. Factors that could cause or contribute to such differences include, but are not limited to, those discussed in Item 1. Business -- "risk factors" and elsewhere in the Company's Annual Report on Form 10-KSB.
SOURCE Analytical Surveys, Inc.
Maybe they read some of the DD on this thread dealing with Mike and his Amazon Log deals. I wouldn't feel very comfortable after that either.
CSHD, if it ever gets up off the mat, is something that will take months at the minimum to pan out. A lot of fool's Gold to pan through to find the nugget that might make it golden.
Hope that all have a very Happy Easter. Enjoy the time you can spend with your family.
Wally
PS: Thank you all for your wishes and prayers.
Posted by 10of13 on :
hey Wally...I truly hope all gets better for you and yours!
I was reading over on RPH's board...they are "pumping" the CERT thing again... My question to this board is this...
IF CSHD was to move to an entirely different exchange...(which has been one of the "hints" for the past couple of weeks)...Wouldn't "we" need to have the hard CERTS in order to transfer those shares to the new exchange? I'm not talking about one of the typical exchanges..but a completely different one? Wouldn't this also be a way to "rid the system" of any and all NSS? this thought almost seems "plausible"... Any other thoughts?
I hope all have a great EASTER!!!
Posted by Igor R on :
"If you do not have them by now, I would ask for them ASAP, within the next few business days!!
That is all I need to say!! ;D 8-)
And remember at one time before, a lot of people were caught with their pants down!!
GODSPEED and GODBLESS ALL" - Rufus
Hmm, something up? If we don't have them are we screwed? Cause I doubt I could ask for them, and they'd be delivered monday morning .
Posted by luvforever on :
Here's what I gather. Rufus said if you request your certs you will be okay...he relizes that it takes a few weeks to recieve them in hand. Posted by luvforever on :
Anyone here any suggestions? Posted by luvforever on :
Hey anyone know where I can find the pr that stated about the 6:! tia please..
Posted by T e x on :
Good lord, lol...what now?
Posted by luvforever on :
Found it... Oh they were saying if ya got certs and the date was after the 16th of oct you wouldn't get the 6:1 but that wasn't what it said had to see for myself LOL
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: hey Wally...I truly hope all gets better for you and yours!
I was reading over on RPH's board...they are "pumping" the CERT thing again... My question to this board is this...
IF CSHD was to move to an entirely different exchange...(which has been one of the "hints" for the past couple of weeks)...Wouldn't "we" need to have the hard CERTS in order to transfer those shares to the new exchange? I'm not talking about one of the typical exchanges..but a completely different one? Wouldn't this also be a way to "rid the system" of any and all NSS? this thought almost seems "plausible"... Any other thoughts?
I hope all have a great EASTER!!!
10 of Crotchets,
just for the record, this has never traded on an exchange... yes, ma'am, there were hints, promises, or whatever of moving to an exchange, but as we know, to even trade on pinks would require ...offa the top of my head ...
answering the default(s)
bring filings up to date
MM/form 211
Last I knew, the BOD had not even appointed a new CEO...
Some foreign trading platform *might* be a possibility, I suppose... but I don't see how OTCBB stock could be "carried over," ie, everybody keeps their shares and gets a do-over...
AND, even if they could, my guess is that would be tougher for US folk to trade than the greys...
As far as physical certs go, I had a position on GTEL when it moved to AMEX and re-opened there as GTE...(in other words, from OTCBB to an exchange) and no physical certs were involved.
NSS? To my mind, nobody wants to "get rid of" nekkid shorty in any play: you want shorty to cover...
That's what is so attractive to your Corey-types: a toxic-financed, PnD is like a day in the park with your kids...take 'em to the slide, enjoy the grins climbing up the ladder, then wheeee! more fun dropping down the slide.
Posted by 10of13 on :
HAPPY EASTER ALL!!! Tex..you leave my (") outta this! LOL Posted by T e x on :
looks like I just missed the Easter bunny...now headin' the other way
Posted by jordanreed on :
todays easter?...is that why the grocery stores are closed?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: looks like I just missed the Easter bunny...now headin' the other way
he was here tho: Posted by milliam on :
It looks like Bud Burrel is possibly pushing back the deadline for the big NSS company announcement. He's saying Tuesday AM now, if not sooner.
I think he's also narrowed it down to being Eagletech. He's pretty much shot down every other company people have asked about except them. They don't trade currently, correct?
Posted by milliam on :
This cert thing is back to bothering me again. I just don't want to be left out of anything.
There's some on Rufie's board saying that the Can. brokerages won't let them turn their certs back in. I haven't seen anything like that for the US folks, but that sure sounds bad.
Decisions, decisions!
Posted by Jenna on :
Milliam, Do you know if Scottrade has said that they wouldn't take certs back?
I guess I will have to call tomarrow...
Rufus & others are hinting that if you may need your certs to get the 6:1 but I really don't see how....
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Milliam, Do you know if Scottrade has said that they wouldn't take certs back?
I guess I will have to call tomarrow...
Rufus & others are hinting that if you may need your certs to get the 6:1 but I really don't see how....
are you joking...we are at 3 cents, dont worry about 6:1 you will never see it, nor will you see this ever run pass .30 again with rufus in the midst of things.
Posted by Jenna on :
ST22- I know you have good picks a lot of times & I have told you in the past that I respect that....
....just wondering why you stopped by in here? We still have CSHD because it's not worth selling right now....I don't know why you felt the need to "chime" in...thanks for your empty post....
Posted by T e x on :
Jenna, Milliam...
you will sometimes see companies require hard certs (i.e., taken out of the broker's "street name") for certain dividends, such as round lots, etc... but this was never a declared dividend, in fact merely a PR saying it was *not* a dividend...
As I recall, RPH was CEO at that time--is that right? If so, seems even more unlikely, as structured/announced... As i recall, part of what the SEC was seeking was preventing his being an officer in a public company--not sure of that, though...
Now, could some future CEO set up a straightforward dividend? sure...f/s, r/s, whatever...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ST22- I know you have good picks a lot of times & I have told you in the past that I respect that....
....just wondering why you stopped by in here? We still have CSHD because it's not worth selling right now....I don't know why you felt the need to "chime" in...thanks for your empty post....
Sorry Jenna, i have not sold my shares and am a cshd holder too. I was just saying lets not get ahead of ourselves yet.
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex, as always thanks for your info....
ST22- I forgive you.... Posted by Jenna on :
Wow- Bud Burrell sure did change his tune!! I guess this Tsunami may have turned into calm waters....
This is from his ****- the latest...
*************************************************
Re: A "Tsunami" Headed at Our Markets!!!!! Treason Is what this is!!!!!! By TripleGolden on 4/9/2007 4:09 PM Florida court system, hmm. HVLN quietly collecting the evidence, are they the one? It's already 7:52pm and nothing is out yet. Tomorrow another day?
Reply: It is not HVLN. I was informed that the statute expired today, by two sources. If someone blew this filing, there will be hell to pay, and I don't speak figuratively. No sense in negative speculation. I am glad I'm not on the Board of the complaining company. Taking this to the last minute wasn't just imprudent.
That is my last comment on this. I won't be watching this tomorrow.
I wish the CEO of this Company well. He is not the problem here. I still consider him to be the best informed and most knowledgeable CEO of all the NSS victims about the specific methods of the fraud here.
Posted by Igor R on :
Sigh, will this **** ever get anywhere? I really want to believe it will, but theres absolutely nothing giving me any comfort. I dont get how any of the cronies on the rufus board are so comfy, and "golden".
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
About the 6:1 and hard certs.......
Think about it. Just because Rufus, the quasi CEO of our grey sheet company, comments on his unofficial company message board that we might need hard certs to receive a 6:1 non-dividend dividend doesnt mean squat to me. This will have to come out in a PR and I would assume that it would need to come out in a timely manner to allow everyone to get their certs. For now i simply would not sweat it.
My theory as to why Rufus and his boys are still pushing for certs is what i consider the obvious reason....there are people still holding air shares IMO. They probably figure that if X amount of people request X amount of shares but only Y amount of shares are truly available then dookie hits the giant FTD fan. If we hadnt all been through the ringer on this im sure a lot more people would be willing to support this theory but soooo many people appear gun shy right now so i think the bulk of shares will remain in electronic accounts. If i knew for sure that this is what Rufus wants and if it would really expose some things I would personally go on a campaign to convince people that its the right thing. But, as it stands right now, I dont want to be responsible for passing on bad info on a hunch.
So, call for you certs!! Or dont..... Posted by 6digits on :
I wonder if Rufus knows it's better than a month past the date that he gave for some kind of proxy vote hype crap bull$hit. Or if he just has his head stuck in so much horse$hit that he doesn't know up from down.
Posted by Jenna on :
Good post Mr. C
Posted by milliam on :
Cat, I agree totally with you, yet I still have reservations about not getting (or getting) certs.
Rufus is almost blatantly saying we need certs. He won't give a real reason, but he's pretty adimant. He says he's mentioned it enough times and in enough cases that everyone should know to do it. Did he ever mention it in a PR? Like way back when the TDA thing was PR'd?
I almost get the sense that he's trying to say to everyone that if you have certs, things will be much easier on you. He gives the impression that if you aren't holding certs, you're going to have a hard time once everything "happens". He does say that he will be there to help out those without certs.
So, I can't see how those without certs can be kept from anything they are entitled to, but I can see how it might be harder on them if big changes happen.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
If we went to a "different" exchange that our broker possibly does not do business with would we need to get certs or could we transfer our shares electronically? Other than the FTD problem this is the only other thing that makes sense to me.
Maybe I will at least quench my curiosity and look into the cost involved with requesting certs through Etrade.
Another question.....does it ever happen that you own certs but a broker wont deposit them because they dont want to deal with the particular company?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
What happenned to the CVSU web site?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: What happenned to the CVSU web site?
Noone knows, been like that for about a week.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: About the 6:1 and hard certs.......
Think about it. Just because Rufus, the quasi CEO of our grey sheet company, comments on his unofficial company message board that we might need hard certs to receive a 6:1 non-dividend dividend doesnt mean squat to me. This will have to come out in a PR and I would assume that it would need to come out in a timely manner to allow everyone to get their certs. For now i simply would not sweat it.
My theory as to why Rufus and his boys are still pushing for certs is what i consider the obvious reason....there are people still holding air shares IMO. They probably figure that if X amount of people request X amount of shares but only Y amount of shares are truly available then dookie hits the giant FTD fan. If we hadnt all been through the ringer on this im sure a lot more people would be willing to support this theory but soooo many people appear gun shy right now so i think the bulk of shares will remain in electronic accounts. If i knew for sure that this is what Rufus wants and if it would really expose some things I would personally go on a campaign to convince people that its the right thing. But, as it stands right now, I dont want to be responsible for passing on bad info on a hunch.
So, call for you certs!! Or dont.....
I agree with a lot you post.
We were all told that if we appeared on the company records we were golden and would recieve the Threshold price reset that then morphed into the 6 for 1 shares. The company also had people contacting Sabra and (Mike/John)? if their name did not appear on the NOBO list. To now state the Certificates would be required or we could be left out in the cold is ridiculous.
Pulling certs makes no sense since nothing that has been promised has been delivered. Once again I will state the only important action that should comcern shareholders at this point in time is the answering of the default judgement. Anything else is sleight of hand.
GLTA Wally
Posted by milliam on :
Bud (the **** guy) seems quite po's about his Tsunami falling short. His last comments do reflect that the company in question was Eagletech and that he feels their legal team has dropped the ball (or have been paid off). I wonder how Rufus feels about this.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Bud (the **** guy) seems quite po's about his Tsunami falling short. His last comments do reflect that the company in question was Eagletech and that he feels their legal team has dropped the ball (or have been paid off). I wonder how Rufus feels about this.
Scared? Posted by 10of13 on :
Cat...yes a broker can refuse to take CERTS for any compnay...just as they can refuse to do on line trading for a certain stock...it is their call... And the going to a totally new exchange is the only reason that I can think of that would "need" certs...BUT? i would think that the company would first need to answer all the SEC stuff to even move to this 'different" exchange...FWIW? I am not getting the CERTS...I feel that it would only be the dumb getting dember! Maybe I am wrong.....
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: If we went to a "different" exchange that our broker possibly does not do business with would we need to get certs or could we transfer our shares electronically? Other than the FTD problem this is the only other thing that makes sense to me.
Maybe I will at least quench my curiosity and look into the cost involved with requesting certs through Etrade.
Another question.....does it ever happen that you own certs but a broker wont deposit them because they dont want to deal with the particular company?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
10...I agree with you about the certs at this point I can't see the advantage.
Posted by milliam on :
This was posted on the other board. Very interesting.
NEW YORK, NY -- (MARKET WIRE) -- April 10, 2007 -- Universal Express Inc. (OTCBB: USXP) CEO, Richard A. Altomare, today presents estimated tax losses to the United States Treasury of over $1 Trillion Dollars due to naked short selling.
"The facts are simple. Sell a stock you do not own. Push the share price down. Force the Company to fail. The failed stock never has to be purchased, and since there is no mandated buy-in after a company fails, almost everyone loses, the employees, the shareholders and now the Federal Government. It's a tax free way of making money," said Richard A. Altomare, Chairman and CEO of Universal Express, Inc.
"To be more specific, this loophole benefits market makers, hedge funds and maybe even the funding of terrorist cells. Our national debt and the Iraqi war could have been paid for with the elimination of naked short selling or a mandated stock buy-in after shorting.
"Once again I call upon our elected officials to address the problem prior to the SEC's efforts to pretend they're fixing a broken system. As they attempt to silence those of us who speak the truth, I ask you to examine the profits, the bonuses and the salaries of those stealing not only from individual companies, but from every hard working American taxpayer," continued Mr. Altomare.
"With all those in Congress looking for an issue worth supporting, how about documented tax fraud in the trillions?
"Courage is required and our Country and American investors have been stolen from far too long. Where are those real leaders worth following?
"I'm tired of hearing how much money a candidate raises. Let's rally behind one who shines a light on a practice that is raising our National Debt, raising our taxes, and raising our cost of living," concluded Mr. Altomare.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
2 high fives to Mr Richard Altomare! You go boy!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Apparently Altomare has more to say about NSS. Here is a bit from an article I kinda liked.
For lack of a nail the shoe was lost For lack of the shoe the horse was lost For lack of the horse the rider was lost For lack of the rider the message was lost For lack of the message the battle was lost For lack of the battle the war was lost For the lack of the war the country was lost The country was lost because of that nail. That nail, my friends is Naked Short Selling,” concluded Mr. Altomare.
"One of the advantages of taking physical delivery of your stock certificates is that you have a chance of actually getting your annual stock proxy, including getting it in time to understand the issues being voted on, to vote and to attend the annual meeting. If we all invested in small cap stocks, took physical delivery and then took the time to understand what our company was doing and to participate and support excellent management in a positive manner — this would be a much better world. Think of it as another of hundreds of steps that we are taking as we navigate to a financially intimate world."
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
WOW That really is a great article.
quote:Originally posted by milliam: This was posted on the other board. Very interesting.
NEW YORK, NY -- (MARKET WIRE) -- April 10, 2007 -- Universal Express Inc. (OTCBB: USXP) CEO, Richard A. Altomare, today presents estimated tax losses to the United States Treasury of over $1 Trillion Dollars due to naked short selling.
"The facts are simple. Sell a stock you do not own. Push the share price down. Force the Company to fail. The failed stock never has to be purchased, and since there is no mandated buy-in after a company fails, almost everyone loses, the employees, the shareholders and now the Federal Government. It's a tax free way of making money," said Richard A. Altomare, Chairman and CEO of Universal Express, Inc.
"To be more specific, this loophole benefits market makers, hedge funds and maybe even the funding of terrorist cells. Our national debt and the Iraqi war could have been paid for with the elimination of naked short selling or a mandated stock buy-in after shorting.
"Once again I call upon our elected officials to address the problem prior to the SEC's efforts to pretend they're fixing a broken system. As they attempt to silence those of us who speak the truth, I ask you to examine the profits, the bonuses and the salaries of those stealing not only from individual companies, but from every hard working American taxpayer," continued Mr. Altomare.
"With all those in Congress looking for an issue worth supporting, how about documented tax fraud in the trillions?
"Courage is required and our Country and American investors have been stolen from far too long. Where are those real leaders worth following?
"I'm tired of hearing how much money a candidate raises. Let's rally behind one who shines a light on a practice that is raising our National Debt, raising our taxes, and raising our cost of living," concluded Mr. Altomare.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Posted on RPH's ******** site this afternoon: FWIW----GLTA
Jenna, trying this again...I got a quote mark in the link unintentionally...it is a pdf file of the Eagletech v. Citigroup Complaint that is causing a lot of chatter on the RPH Board today.....
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Bucky thank you for the PM....I tried to write back but your mailbox is full...
Jenna, TY for the heads up....I cleared messages, so you s/b able to leave PM now.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I hope BHUB doesn't turn into the next CSHD!
Common Rufus, stick your head out. What's going on?
Hello...hello?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Today at 12:43pm, griff wrote:Hello everyone! I'm not sure if many or any of you have felt the panic of a deal falling through at the last minute. I went through that beginning late yesterday afternoon and have lived with it since then. I was told some very bad stuff about CSHD, made me sick to my stomach, felt like throwing up, and was wondering how to break the news to everyone here.
But before I made that eat "CROW ON STREOIDS" announment to everyone, I got with some of the faithful DDs that work so hard day and night to bring you information and together we were able to disprove what I was told. As a side bar, when we all get together in Vegas to party our new fortune, I hope everyone here will give these folks a great deal of thanks for the work they have done for you; you see I'm just the messanger, I the only one with enough of brain damage to do the posting.
But any way back to the point. Because of trying to dispprove this rumor, we have come up with some very exciting information that will make even the disbelievers, believers. Your wait is almost over and the news you will get will blow you away. We are truly GOLDEN, no doubt.
Please don't ask for details because I ain't talking. Don't even PM me about any of this.
Griff
Posted by 10of13 on :
Hey Griff? Let's get this straight... PUKE!!! The Crow will do that to ya!
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Today at 12:43pm, griff wrote:Hello everyone! I'm not sure if many or any of you have felt the panic of a deal falling through at the last minute. I went through that beginning late yesterday afternoon and have lived with it since then. I was told some very bad stuff about CSHD, made me sick to my stomach, felt like throwing up, and was wondering how to break the news to everyone here.
But before I made that eat "CROW ON STREOIDS" announment to everyone, I got with some of the faithful DDs that work so hard day and night to bring you information and together we were able to disprove what I was told. As a side bar, when we all get together in Vegas to party our new fortune, I hope everyone here will give these folks a great deal of thanks for the work they have done for you; you see I'm just the messanger, I the only one with enough of brain damage to do the posting.
But any way back to the point. Because of trying to dispprove this rumor, we have come up with some very exciting information that will make even the disbelievers, believers. Your wait is almost over and the news you will get will blow you away. We are truly GOLDEN, no doubt.
Please don't ask for details because I ain't talking. Don't even PM me about any of this.
Griff
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Anyone here received certs? If so, who signed them?
Rufus, John Arlitt, or someone else (please refrain from posting Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc)?
Posted by milliam on :
I saw Griff's rubbish over there. That's just stupid. If what he has his crew have done is DD and not insider work, then he should bring it to the board.
This part is especially pointless...." Because of trying to dispprove this rumor, we have come up with some very exciting information that will make even the disbelievers, believers."
I'm guessing you'd need to share that info to convert the non-believers. Or does he just think they'll be positive because he said so?
What a joke!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
I had a lot to say over the Griff post as well but rubbish pretty much covers it Milliam. Posted by thesource on :
How about Goofy ?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Well, if Milliam and Catia don't buy it, I'm not either.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Per Griff on ********s: he is leaving and won't be posting anymore.
Today at 4:25pm, liquidsunshine wrote:griff.. after the whole tut fiasco.. surely you can understand why people are jumpy..
Oh, I do understand, I'm not bothered by any of this. Believe me I've dealt with much tougher problems in life than CSHD and it's residue.
I'm hoping for all of you that tomorrow brings you a day of thrills; remember I am not in the timeline business, thank goodness
Good bye to everyone and see you in Vegas
Griff
Posted by GreenDay on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Anyone here received certs? If so, who signed them?
Rufus, John Arlitt, or someone else (please refrain from posting Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc)?
I got mine, signed by John Arlitt, it was the week before we got Rufus back.
Posted by 6digits on :
Last I heard the NSS stuff is the most valuable asset.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Anyone here received certs? If so, who signed them?
Rufus, John Arlitt, or someone else (please refrain from posting Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc)?
I got mine, signed by John Arlitt, it was the week before we got Rufus back.
"...we got Rufus back."
who/what got Rufus back?
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Anyone here received certs? If so, who signed them?
Rufus, John Arlitt, or someone else (please refrain from posting Mickey Mouse, Donald Duck, etc)?
Got mine, dated March 14, 2007, with John Arlitt's signature as CEO
Posted by GreenDay on :
Hey Tex, ya know, when tut first left the "ceo", Rufus was our "CEO" (he said) the second time around. That's all I meant.
Posted by T e x on :
but no CEO has been officially replaced, right?
Posted by Jenna on :
OT:
I know this has nothing to do with CSHD but just wanted to let you know my hubby was offered a position today with a Pharmaceutical company!!!
On topic: His training is for 2 weeks in ATLANTA, GEORGIA.....maybe Rufus will treat him to a BBQ!! Posted by luvforever on :
Jenna, that's great news! I thought I remembered you said he was out of work. Good luck Posted by minkybodl on :
I received certs on March 28, 2007 signed by Arlitt too.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Is everyone getting certs? I'm not......
Posted by 3403 on :
Wish this stock would come back to life just so I could hear from you guys....
Posted by GreenDay on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: but no CEO has been officially replaced, right?
as far as I know you are correct.
Posted by T e x on :
thanks, just making sure I didn't miss sumpin...
Posted by new2stocks on :
I thought this was an interesting post
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Yesterday at 10:47pm, thrashpie wrote:Here's a great post by SYGY earlier this morning. I highly recommend it....
Yesterday at 12:25pm, SYGY1 wrote:WANTAGATE: GRANDFATHER OF CORRUPTION SCANDALS WORST FINANCIAL CORRUPTION CRISIS IN WORLD HISTORY
HIGH-LEVEL COUNTERPARTIES IDENTIFIED IN WASHINGTON For, in the course of disgorging secret banking account and transactions information to the police and investigators, the Europeans who were picked up in late March 2007 implicated people at the highest levels in Washington, DC – on Capitol Hill and in the Executive Branch. THIS IS THE DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF THE EUROPEAN RAIDS. The numbers of US criminalists whose secret offshore bank accounts and transactions have been exposed as a specific consequence of this European police haul is said to be of the order of 1,500, according to several informants we have consulted. All this information has been verified prior to the publication of this report.
We have been greatly privileged to be able to report, in something approaching 'real time', how the corrupt criminalist elite seized control of Ambassador Leo Emil Wanta's agreed Settlement funds of $4.5 trillion in June 2006, with the arrival of Mr Henry M. 'Conflict-of-Interest' Paulson as Secretary of the US Treasury, after the sudden removal of John Snow.
It is now clear that Mr Paulson came to office with the apparent intention of retaining control of the Ambassador's funds in order to generate vast accruals of fiat 'funny' money, averaging $200 billion overnight, and thus aggregating more than $1.0 trillion PER WEEK; and that the May 2006 Leo Emil Wanta Settlement agreement, signed off by the US President, Supreme Court Justices, leading US legislators and other members of the corrupt DC Establishment, was deliberately negotiated with Ambassador Leo Wanta IN BAD FAITH in order to scam him on an open-ended basis. Although the financial criminals have ‘succeeded’, for a time, they are being held to the May 2006 accord, to their great anger and annoyance – even as their arrogance and theft has been progressively exposed
Well, maybe I've been watching too many detective movies (prior to CSHD) or in my life now, I try to relate everything to CSHD.
I read this yesterday and printed off all 16 pages so I could read it again and again. VERY INTERESTING & SCARY! I have no clue who Griff is, however, I have been very interested in all of his post and dates of which he spoke. He made the statement one day that we were no longer on Rufus time or US time but was on international time now....also that March 22nd was THE most important date for CSHD since October 16, 2006 (6:1).
This article pointed out that on March 22, 2007, scores of police officers from four countries raided headquarters of the European Commission, banks, corporate offices and private homes. Criminals all over the world have been caught. This investigation is HUGE and involved lots of Washington D.C. (if true). Tons of stuff in this I thought could connect to CSHD is some way!
Am I the only one that is taking this seriously or am I just stupid. PLEASE READ and report back. I spent hours last night reading about Leo Wanta and Wantagate unravelling. I would love to have some of the Leo Wanta monies!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Also this
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Author Topic: Thursday, April 12th (Read 23,309 times) frances Long
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Today at 7:27am, bbbmine wrote: Today at 7:25am, b-rapp wrote:I dont know about you guys but something doesn't seem right this week. Rufus comes on last sat and recommended strongly getting certs in the next few days, he said something is on its way, but was quiet all week and nothing happened. I'm just not feeling it right now. Now Griff doesnt post anymore after all his GOLDEN attitude he's been expressing. hmmmmmmmmm.....
Good morning folks
Although having no information can be frustrating, for some reason my gut is telling me that our current state of silence is a precursor to something wonderful.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And for your morning conspiracy news. didn't TUT mention something about Illuminati??!?!
Illuminati Cash "Slush Fund" Estimated At 65 Trillion Dollars; Illegal Federal Reserve At Heart Of Problem As Minnesota Judge Allegedly Poisoned In 1969 After Ruling Against Corrupt Banksters
"However, one man who may hold the key to exposing much of the illegal banking fraud and recently released from a 20 year jail term, is former Russian and CIA operative, Ambassador Leo Emil Wanta."
Posted by T e x on :
no tie-in to the 23 enigma, yet?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: no tie-in to the 23 enigma, yet?
is Rufus really the illegitimate son of Robert Anton Wilson? Posted by T e x on :
would explain the cone of protection...
Posted by Jenna on :
New2- the signifant date that Griff elluded to, I thought, was March 23rd, not March 22nd...., I could be wrong but I am pretty sure.....& the only thing that coincides with that date was the maturing of some bond....
Posted by Jenna on :
...by the way Griff is just one of us....I have spoken with him a few times before....he just digs & gets info like a lot of us....
..but keep this in mind...& THIS IS JUST MY OPINION....I DO believe that there are some people on his boards pretending to be people in the know & "messing" with people just to prove how easy it is to manipulate on these boards....just my opinion... .... but I think it is very possible...seeing that I have been used myself in the past...so I don't think the manipulation has stopped I think it's just by a different bunch....& I AM NOT implying that Rufus has anything to do with it at all!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:. . . KT: Oh, yeah. Keep one thing in mind: If you decide 23 is a significant number, you're going to notice it every time it appears somewhere. There are two clandestine communication networks in the U.S. One of them is one the Japanese created during the war, which was a camouflaged German propaganda network. The other one is the Masons; they communicate the same way. A lot of cryptic symbolism, numbers and so forth.
WCH: I still think my "seeing" the 23's is some kind of subconscious mind trick.
KT: I have a friend who does the same thing with the number 22 (laughs). But one night I went to St. Petersburg to borrow a copy of BRAVE NEW WORLD from an assassination buff named Helen Hartman in 1969. I got home and there was a letter from Robert Anton Wilson. There was a certain passage from BRAVE NEW WORLD that I wanted to quote...about he was trying to free people, and they wanted to lynch him...basically about the slave mentality. Anyway, Wilson's letter was about the #23 and Burroughs, Capt. Clark and so on. I turned to the copy of BRAVE NEW WORLD to search for the chapter I wanted and it was on page 23, and the scene took place in the Park Lane Hospital! That was the same hospital they took Kennedy to & it rhymes with Mark Lane (laughs). I just flipped, it was very spooky.
WCH: Do you still have those types of synchronicities?
KT: Oh, all the time. Sometimes it's obviously things that couldn't possibly be anything but coincidences. I used to assume that stuff was coincidence; now I assume that it isn't, until proven otherwise. In some book I was reading, they were talking about intelligence agents and they said: Officers in intelligence are very wary of coincidence because they're usually not near as many coincidences as people have been led to believe. . . .
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ...by the way Griff is just one of us....I have spoken with him a few times before....he just digs & gets info like a lot of us....
..but keep this in mind...& THIS IS JUST MY OPINION....I DO believe that there are some people on his boards pretending to be people in the know & "messing" with people just to prove how easy it is to manipulate on these boards....just my opinion... .... but I think it is very possible...seeing that I have been used myself in the past...so I don't think the manipulation has stopped I think it's just by a different bunch....& I AM NOT implying that Rufus has anything to do with it at all!
Who don't you talk to? lol j/k Did Griff get his gaming license for the Casino?
Posted by new2stocks on :
Interesting post IronGuillotine Long
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 19, 2007 NASAA Announces Panelists for March 22 Symposium Program to be Webcast; Registration Still Open WASHINGTON--The North American Securities Administrators Association, Inc. (NASAA) today announced panelists for its public symposium, “Protecting Investors and the Integrity of Financial Markets,” and also set plans to broadcast the event live on the Internet.
The Symposium, which is free and open to the public on a first come, first serve basis, will be held on Thursday, March 22 in the Holeman Lounge of the National Press Club, 529 14th Street NW, in Washington, DC. To reserve a seat, please contact Lonnie Martin, at 202-737-0900 or lm*nasaa.org, by 11 a.m. March 20. Onsite registration begins at noon, followed by a light luncheon. The program begins at 12:30 p.m.
To listen to the audio-only webcast, please visit the NASAA website (www.nasaa.org) or click here. The webcast will begin at 12:30 p.m. (EDT) on March 22 and will be archived on NASAA’s website for later listening.
The Symposium will be moderated by Mercer Bullard, a leader in the fight for shareholder rights, and will feature a diverse panel of experts to respond to recent suggestions that U.S. capital markets are losing their competitive edge because of burdensome regulations and regulators who are aggressively protecting investors. Panelists include:
James D. Cox, Professor, Duke University School of Law; Tanya Solov, Illinois Director of Securities; Willis Riccio, Partner, Adler, Pollock & Sheehan; Nancy Smith, Vice President, Investment Services, AARP Financial; and Charles Prestwood, former Enron employee. NASAA is the oldest international organization devoted to investor protection. Its membership consists of the securities administrators in the 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Canada, and Mexico.
March 22 date....wonder if that was significant....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Interesting post IronGuillotine Long
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- March 19, 2007 NASAA Announces Panelists for March 22 Symposium Program to be Webcast; Registration Still Open WASHINGTON--The North American Securities Administrators Association, Inc. (NASAA) today announced panelists for its public symposium, “Protecting Investors and the Integrity of Financial Markets,” and also set plans to broadcast the event live on the Internet.
The Symposium, which is free and open to the public on a first come, first serve basis, will be held on Thursday, March 22 in the Holeman Lounge of the National Press Club, 529 14th Street NW, in Washington, DC. To reserve a seat, please contact Lonnie Martin, at 202-737-0900 or lm*nasaa.org, by 11 a.m. March 20. Onsite registration begins at noon, followed by a light luncheon. The program begins at 12:30 p.m.
To listen to the audio-only webcast, please visit the NASAA website (www.nasaa.org) or click here. The webcast will begin at 12:30 p.m. (EDT) on March 22 and will be archived on NASAA’s website for later listening.
The Symposium will be moderated by Mercer Bullard, a leader in the fight for shareholder rights, and will feature a diverse panel of experts to respond to recent suggestions that U.S. capital markets are losing their competitive edge because of burdensome regulations and regulators who are aggressively protecting investors. Panelists include:
James D. Cox, Professor, Duke University School of Law; Tanya Solov, Illinois Director of Securities; Willis Riccio, Partner, Adler, Pollock & Sheehan; Nancy Smith, Vice President, Investment Services, AARP Financial; and Charles Prestwood, former Enron employee. NASAA is the oldest international organization devoted to investor protection. Its membership consists of the securities administrators in the 50 states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, Canada, and Mexico.
March 22 date....wonder if that was significant....
More than likely not though....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ...by the way Griff is just one of us....I have spoken with him a few times before....he just digs & gets info like a lot of us....
..but keep this in mind...& THIS IS JUST MY OPINION....I DO believe that there are some people on his boards pretending to be people in the know & "messing" with people just to prove how easy it is to manipulate on these boards....just my opinion... .... but I think it is very possible...seeing that I have been used myself in the past...so I don't think the manipulation has stopped I think it's just by a different bunch....& I AM NOT implying that Rufus has anything to do with it at all!
Who don't you talk to? lol j/k Did Griff get his gaming license for the Casino?
Now that I don't know..LOL..but I shot him a message a few days ago without a response...so not sure what's up..
Posted by Jenna on :
I take it back New2- you were right about the 22nd....good memory girl....
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Mar 23, 2007, 4:45pm, g8nold wrote:Fellas, Smite me. Looks like - I was wrong about today being a significant day. Oh well, have a great weekend.
No, it is the most significate day since OCT 16, 06
Posted by bilgert on :
Man, I'm tired of all the cryptic and overly speculative stuff.... from Rufus, optimists and miscreants. Just waiting for the acts or the rulings- until then I'll just sit.
Reminds me of an old Adam Ant lyric.
Don't drink don't smoke - what do you do? Don't drink don't smoke - what do you do? Subtle innuendos follow There must be something inside
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: Man, I'm tired of all the cryptic and overly speculative stuff.... from Rufus, optimists and miscreants. Just waiting for the acts or the rulings- until then I'll just sit.
Reminds me of an old Adam Ant lyric.
Don't drink don't smoke - what do you do? Don't drink don't smoke - what do you do? Subtle innuendos follow There must be something inside
I'm with you. As I have posted before and still believe, until the defualt is answered nothing is golden and nothing matters.
It's really simple the defualt must be answered before anything in the least bit positive can happen.
If there was any real news it wouldn't be neccessary to send it out in cryptic messages which by the way, none have come true.
Lest you all forget: Pacer, Proxy, New JV's, New symbol and now new exchange. If you drank the super strength KOOL-AID then I guess you can add pulling certs not once but twice, heck it may be even 3 times now.
As far as certs go, I'm not pulling a one! Why? Because not only was my purchase confirmed by Scottrade but the 3 day settlement passed long ago and I was never advised that my shares didn't clear. Therefore, how in the heck can they, any broker, the DTC or the company(Who showed me on the NOBO list) now say that my shares aren't valid? No way in he77.
Use some logic. If any broker came back months later and the company itself after confirming that you held shares, and tried to invalidate those shares, Well I think you get the picture. Not going to happen. The odds are better that CSHD will not answer the default prior to the 1 year that they have available and will not only never trade on the OTCBB again but cease to exist altogether.
I depise the fact that Rufus and many of his followers have used the bible and JC to forward their agenda. This is not a religious battle it's a stock. People invested for capital gains not to convert anyone or to christianty or any other religious belief.
IF anyone thinks they will see a positive gain on thier investment in the very near future all you have to do is read what Rufus has stated. He posted about seperating CSHD from him by a merger into another company of some sort with fewer assets than what was claimed. I call that a retracement from what he has espoused throughout this debacle.
I believe that illegal actions did happen but who purprotated them and was Rufus really prepared for them is the question. My money is on the PIPE financing with a nice helping hand from someone associated with the FHAL shell. I beleive this because of the DD that leads to that conclusion. I also believe that Rufus thought he was ahead of the game but his limited knowledge based on the internet resources available to him was not prepared. I mean think about Overstock and EagleTech who have claimed Illegal shorting for years and where they are now. Do you really think CSHD is ahead of the game or that Overstock and EagleTech not only have fought the battle longer but are light years ahead since they have had legal representation and only Eagletech has gotten to the point of being able to file a suit. I guess they are the ones who may rock Wall Street but even that remains to be seen.
Read the writing on the walls. We, no matter how much or how little our stake is in the company are now longs.
I hope I'm wrong but very much doubt it as I doubt that I will see a profit from my current position, Thank God I sold and secured some profits prior to the suspension. I wish all here good luck. Trade smart, put this on the back unlit burner of a twelve burner stove and put your energy into stocks that might make you money.
Everything I stated is MY OWN OPINION. Pleasse do not buy, sell or hold based on it.
GLTA Wally
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Anyone see Griff's post this morning on Rufus' board? Posted by PCola77 on :
Nope, care to post it here?
Posted by Jenna on :
What is it?
Posted by Jenna on :
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Hello everyone, Not hiding, I retired, remember. I was 95% sure we would see a PR on Friday which would have gotten everything rolling and there would be no need for me to be around anymore. But it didn't happen. So I'm back until things begin to roll and you are not left in the dark any longer.
From what I understand the PR was about uplisting to either the OTCBB or the AMEX. Don't know why we have another delay but we have a delay.
As soon as I know something I'll let you know. But until then try not to loose faith. This company is going to make evryone very happy with the out come
Griff
P.S. Yes, Sam is in the lead 1-0 but not for long
Posted by Jenna on :
OOOOH- I may be wrong but- I think it's ok to KNOW that there will be a PR coming, but to say what is in the PR is insider info.....got to be careful GRIFFY!!!!
Posted by PCola77 on :
This is retarded.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
lol
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO...it's defintely stupid...
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: This is retarded.
Posted by Jenna on :
...and haven't you heard when we open up on AMEX we were going to open up at $150 per share & the 1st 100 people to buy more shares on the new exchange were going get any shiny new sports car of ther choice....OH & a trip to Vegas....
LOL - I wish it were true but I will believe it when I see it.....refrence back to one of my former post, I THINK PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH SOME PEOPLE OVER THERE & LAUGHING ABOUT IT IN THE BACKGROUND!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ...and haven't you heard when we open up on AMEX we were going to open up at $150 per share & the 1st 100 people to buy more shares on the new exchange were going get any shiny new sports car of ther choice....OH & a trip to Vegas....
LOL - I wish it were true but I will believe it when I see it.....refrence back to one of my former post, I THINK PEOPLE ARE MESSING WITH SOME PEOPLE OVER THERE & LAUGHING ABOUT IT IN THE BACKGROUND!!!
I agree with you Jenna, there are some sick people in this world who feed off of other peoples' emotions.
Oh is the trip to Vegas including a visit to Griff's Casino? Posted by Jenna on :
Has Griff ever said what he was going to name his Casino?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Has Griff ever said what he was going to name his Casino?
"The Phoenix" nah I don't know lmao
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
FWIW, the Griff character put up this post this morning on the ******** thread after reappearing this morning......perhaps one of these days we'll see a bona-fide filing that provides solid information, instead of all of this speculation.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh boy! This is like opening a Pandoras box. The more questions you ask the deeper it goes There is so much going on with Rufus and this company. It isn't just the NSS thing, the T/A thing, the crooked SEC, so on, the things we have all discussed but it is also international. Not only is Rufus dealing with the domestic problems but as "turning rocks over that are hiding crooks" you find more crooks and more crooks under more and more rocks.
Imo, that is why we haven't heard from Rufus, I sure he is up to his a** in alligators right now. Keep in mind he is doing this for the shareholder protection; he wants you to be trully GOLDEN, he is indeed looking after us. Try to hold on and keep the faith.
In speaking with Ron and others, we suggest that it would be best to gear down alittle with our expectations of these elusive timelines; I'm the worst at this and I apologize. There is no doubt that we will get all the promises promised and, imo, more There is so many factors that are affecting the timing that is impossible to even guess at it any more. Just like the international thing popping up. And by the way it has to do with fraudulant bonds being dumped into the market place.
Speaking of assets, the bonds that we do have has yielded us cash assets as well. We are a very rich company and that will benefit all shareholders.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Bucky...sounds good. Are you in the runnign for the next CEO position as CSHD?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
The next FWIW.....while I am staying in wait and see mode until I see a filing or a PR, I also hold the opinion that reading these CSHD threads are sure tantilizing and provide better entertainment value than network TV....no offense meant to you St Matt....just happened to see Griff's post on you post and did not want to take time to go back and find his original.....GLTA
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Where did you hear this? I have heard Rufus said something about this in the last SPR interview, but I was not able to listen to the whole thing. Did he mention this towards the end of the interview?
Today at 11:57am, griff wrote: Today at 11:34am, tomm05 wrote:
Ok Griff, you cant just put that out there. Be more specific. Are you saying that some of the bonds have been monetized ? and exactly how is the company rich ?
Oh, in round numbers, about $5 billion give or take a million or so. That post should get me in big trouble with some people but you need to know.
Please use this post to fall back on when you get down and question your faith and loyalty to the country horse boy from Georgia. THIS GUY IS LOOKING OUT FOR YOU!!
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Stockstar69, No way....I am just an regular joe that has goals for making a few honest bucks to pay my bills and put away a few dollars for rainy days, and just maybe be fortunate with a big score once in awhile....I continue to wait on proper SEC filings and verifiable PR's.....hope we see someday....lol...GLTY
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Bucky...sounds good. Are you in the runnign for the next CEO position as CSHD?
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: FWIW, the Griff character put up this post this morning on the ******** thread after reappearing this morning......perhaps one of these days we'll see a bona-fide filing that provides solid information, instead of all of this speculation.
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Oh boy! This is like opening a Pandoras box. The more questions you ask the deeper it goes There is so much going on with Rufus and this company. It isn't just the NSS thing, the T/A thing, the crooked SEC, so on, the things we have all discussed but it is also international. Not only is Rufus dealing with the domestic problems but as "turning rocks over that are hiding crooks" you find more crooks and more crooks under more and more rocks.
Imo, that is why we haven't heard from Rufus, I sure he is up to his a** in alligators right now. Keep in mind he is doing this for the shareholder protection; he wants you to be trully GOLDEN, he is indeed looking after us. Try to hold on and keep the faith.
In speaking with Ron and others, we suggest that it would be best to gear down alittle with our expectations of these elusive timelines; I'm the worst at this and I apologize. There is no doubt that we will get all the promises promised and, imo, more There is so many factors that are affecting the timing that is impossible to even guess at it any more. Just like the international thing popping up. And by the way it has to do with fraudulant bonds being dumped into the market place.
Speaking of assets, the bonds that we do have has yielded us cash assets as well. We are a very rich company and that will benefit all shareholders.
We're RICH, WE'RE RICH!!!
I can't wait to get all my promises promised!!!
Tomorrow I'll just go out and buy everything to my heart's desire!!!
Get out my credit cards and go to the LIMIT!!!
Ding-a-ling, Ding-a-ling... oh yeah, time to wake up.
Yup... the price is still $.02 and no, I don't feel so golden.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
IMO Griff needs to STFU. Hes just the latest in a long line of looney toons. He has already raised hopes for a lot of people on HSM and constantly let them down. He lost all credibility with me long ago and now comes off as a total clown. Sorry Jenna, I know you appreciate his info but to me its just more riddles and garbage.
If it turns out that he actually DOES know something, congrats goes out to him....but in the meantime he should just back off. This isnt a game Griffboy!
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: IMO Griff needs to STFU. Hes just the latest in a long line of looney toons. He has already raised hopes for a lot of people on HSM and constantly let them down. He lost all credibility with me long ago and now comes off as a total clown. Sorry Jenna, I know you appreciate his info but to me its just more riddles and garbage.
If it turns out that he actually DOES know something, congrats goes out to him....but in the meantime he should just back off. This isnt a game Griffboy!
FYI - Griff post this morning...lol
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good Morning Everyone.
Please be patient, your reward will be great!
Posted by 6digits on :
Rufus sure can shovel that horse$hit.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: IMO Griff needs to STFU. Hes just the latest in a long line of looney toons. He has already raised hopes for a lot of people on HSM and constantly let them down. He lost all credibility with me long ago and now comes off as a total clown. Sorry Jenna, I know you appreciate his info but to me its just more riddles and garbage.
If it turns out that he actually DOES know something, congrats goes out to him....but in the meantime he should just back off. This isnt a game Griffboy!
No need to be sorry Mr.C, after being played like a fiddle by John Arlitt, I take everything someone tells me & file it away until I see it on paper (if you know what I mean).... Posted by Jenna on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- griff was asking has anyone checked pacer.....i just called the court case still open no activity since the default
404-215-1394
1:06 cv 2568-cc
no need for pacer when you can call direct ..pacer might take a few days to update
Posted by Jenna on :
Here's a post from Rufus after someone asked him about Griff....
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 536 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 598 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Tuesday, April 17th « Reply #395 on Today at 1:31pm »
Here is an amazing post that I found over at IHUB's RRGI board:
Posted by: gerlac68 In reply to: None Date:4/17/2007 8:46:15 PM Post #3743 of 3760
U.S. Department of Justice United States Attorney Eastern District of New York One Pierrepont Plaza Brooklyn, New York 11201 Mailing Address: 147 Pierrepont Street Brooklyn, New York 11201 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE April 17, 2007 Contact: Robert Nardoza United States Attorney’s Office (718) 254-6323 PRESS RELEASE SEVEN MEMBERS AND ASSOCIATES OF THE COLOMBO AND LUCHESE ORGANIZED CRIME FAMILIES PLEAD GUILTY TO RACKETEERING AND EXTORTION IN CONNECTION WITH BOILER ROOM STOCK FRAUD SCHEMES Roslynn R. Mauskopf, United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, announced the guilty pleas of Colombo Family captain JOSEPH BAUDANZA, his brother, Colombo Family soldier CARMINE BAUDANZA, Colombo Family soldier CRAIG MARINO, Colombo Family associates CRAIG LESZCZAK, ROBERT PODLOG, and ARTHUR GUNNING, and Luchese Family soldier JOHN BAUDANZA, the nephew of JOSEPH BAUDANZA. The guilty pleas today of CARMINE BAUDANZA and JOHN BAUDANZA before United States Magistrate Judge Cheryl L. Pollak represent the sixth and seventh defendants to plead guilty in this district within the past week. On March 23, 2006, an indictment was unsealed charging the defendants with wideranging criminal activity, including a racketeering conspiracy involving securities fraud, extortion, witness tampering, kidnaping, and money laundering. All but GUNNING, who pled guilty to extortion, have pleaded guilty to a Colombo family racketeering conspiracy that used extortion to make money from stock manipulation at several brokerage firms. When sentenced, each defendant faces a maximum term of imprisonment of 20 years’ incarceration and a $250,000 fine. The guilty pleas are the culmination of a four-year investigation and prosecution of the Colombo Family’s infiltration of brokerage firms that specialized in selling “penny” stocks, or stocks of a corporation that traded for under $5. The defendants admitted to exploiting their ties to the racketeering enterprise to further their financial interests in the criminal schemes, by using extortionate tactics to control brokers, cold callers, and others affiliated with branch offices of brokerage firms formerly located in Brooklyn, Manhattan, and Staten Island, including Ash Financial Corporation, Amerivet Dymally Securities, Inc. (later known as TYM Securities, Inc.), Barron Chase Securities, Inc., Grady and Hatch & Company, Inc., Couch and Company, Inc., L.H. Ross & Company, Inc., and Yankee Financial Group, Inc. “We are committed to eliminating the corrupting influence of organized crime from the financial community and to ensuring the legitimacy of our securities markets, ” stated United States Attorney Mauskopf. “Investors are entitled to a level playing field.” Ms. Mauskopf thanked the Federal Bureau of Investigation (New York Field Office), United States Securities and Exchange Commission, Internal Revenue Service, Criminal Investigation (New York), and the National Association of Securities Dealers, Department of Enforcement, for their extensive assistance in the investigation. The government’s case is being prosecuted by Assistant United States Attorneys Patricia E. Notopoulos, Tanya Y. Hill, and Jennifer E. Schantz. The Defendants: CARMINE BAUDANZA Age: 64 JOHN BAUDANZA Age: 37 JOSEPH BAUDANZA Age: 62 ARTHUR GUNNING Age: 41 CRAIG LESZCZAK Age: 32 CRAIG MARINO AGE: 37 ROBERT PODLOG AGE: 33
Maybe this is just the start.
Posted by T e x on :
any tie to this stock, or you simply find it interesting?
Posted by mo-rydr on :
No direct tie to this stock, but just the fact that the criminal activity in small cap stocks is being prosecuted and that there was enough evidense to get guilty pleas.
Where there's smoke, there's fire, eh?
Posted by new2stocks on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posting on This Board will be Deactivated effective immediately
You will be able to view the Board but will not be able to post
Remember ********s.com is a free service
The Corporation at this time does not support any Internet Board Service or Internet Forum
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation Public Trading Symbol (CSHD)
Posted by 10of13 on :
First favor that Rufus has done for "us" in a long time! Getting rid of that board will help stop the "crystal ball" posts. So I gotta say it... Thanks Rufus!
Posted by Murnak on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ok- what the heck is going on????????????
Rufus said that by tomarrow morning he will not have his forum anymore & that people need to find a new home!!!!
Best news ive heard in a while. Im sure its not generally a good idea for Rufus to be "running" a CSHD message board under the current circumstances. However, I suspect the "next board" will be nothing shy of a circus until we get any REAL news. I wonder who will be shoveling the elephant droppings.
Its actually kinda funny what Rufus wrote about Griff, thats almost EXACTLY what Mike Alexander said about Tut in one of the SPR interviews. It looks too much like posturing to me...maybe "no comment" would have been a better response from Rufus but as we know, he kinda does what he wants to do. Posted by new2stocks on :
I wonder if in 5 years CSHD certs can be sold on ebay for high $$ ?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: I wonder if in 5 years CSHD certs can be sold on ebay for high $$ ?
For antique value? Posted by new2stocks on :
Today at 4:14pm, griff wrote:
Well, looks like the last and final assault from the bashers. Folks this is a planned assault organized by someone who wants all the power and money that CSHD has to offer, and leave us all penniless Convincing you that you are loyal to the wrong person is their goal; don't give into this assault no matter how tried you are of waiting, Rufus not giving us information, the secrecy, they are going to bring it all. This happened to the shareholders at BBAN and they made the wrong decision, don't you STAY STRONG AND LONG
We are very close, the merger is signed, the default answered, the wheels are moving much faster now; not much longer
Posted by PCola77 on :
The message within the message. Coincidence? I think not...
***** ** ******** **i** ******
***** look* like *** **** an* ***** ass**** **** *** ******** ***** **** ** * ****** ******* *****i***** ** ******* *** want* all the power and money **** **** *** ** ****** and leave u* all penniless
Posted by T e x on :
the default is answered? that's it, no court specifics, no link, no nada?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex? what are you talking about? who said the default was answered? Am i missing something? Is there more in Griff's coded message that I am not seeing? PC already pointed out the "real message"...LOl
Posted by T e x on :
"We are very close, the merger is signed, the default answered, the wheels are moving much faster now; not much longer "
I don't know who wrote it, but I see it there..
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: the default is answered? that's it, no court specifics, no link, no nada?
Don't forget that Griff stated that the default was answered a few months back. Then in a post the same night Rufus posted that it had not. If the default were answered there would be at the minimum a pacer filing. Wouldn't Rufus be crowing from the mountaintops that it had been answered and if all this is done why is it neccessary to do a merger? I mean the merger with FHAL was just completed in September?
No just more pie in the sky. Wait for official announcements. IMO, Griff is just another incarnation of "TUT" and you all know where that led.
I do speculate that something is happening but I'm not so sure it is positive. Rufus closing the message board could have just as much to do with the SEC telling him to close it as to an end to this soap opera. I believe the default occurred in November and if I recall correctly Rufus and CSHD have a year to answer so I think we are still months away from any clarification.
Looking at a very GRAY summer. Hope I'm wrong.
GLTA Wally
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
LOL can't this Griff guy get arrested for fraud?
Posted by T e x on :
doubt that, but someone associated with the company might make their situation worse by providing him a forum...
Posted by dollar13 on :
TRIPLE POST TEX, ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY SUMPIN
Posted by glassman on :
hey dollar you still waiting on that run? Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Who are the mods on this forum besides tex?
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: hey dollar you still waiting on that run?
HEY GLASSY HI YOU DOING? , ME WAITING HERE NAWW I LEFT THIS BOAT LONG TIME AGO, I WAS JUST CHEKING Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
OT : For those of you that follow CMKX at all, or more importantly find Mark Faulks writing interesting, his book "The Naked Truth: Counterfeiting the American Dream" should be hitting the shelves sometime in June. Personally, still being somewhat "new" to all of this, I am really looking forward to reading it.
FWIW, if you are interested in a signed copy, the word on the street is that he will sign all copies pre-ordered through the site below before the actual release date.
This scam hasn't been delisted yet? That is truly amazing, The SEC are truly incompetent idiots.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Who are the mods on this forum besides tex?
wassamatta?
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by Uncle Smelly: This scam hasn't been delisted yet? That is truly amazing, The SEC are truly incompetent idiots.
LOL
MAYBE FEW OF THEM
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
RUFUS THE DUFUS !!!
I still love to say that, lol. Never gets old.
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by Uncle Smelly: RUFUS THE DUFUS !!!
I still love to say that, lol. Never gets old.
I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER THAT NAME
Posted by glassman on :
that's funny uncle, cuz i like saying YOUR name out loud
since we are getting so silly? i want everybody to read this out loud real fast: (do it in private tho your spouse might give you funny looks if you don't )
i we todd did
i we todd did
i we todd did
Posted by Jenna on :
Anyone out there sell out of this completely yet?....
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
I still hold 6500 shares. Just for the fun of it. And hey who knows? I'm more or less waiting for a big profit on another run this year then I will sell to offset that gain.
This is never going anywhere except to sub-penny or delisting.
Posted by TimW on :
I still got 6500 shares.. $130 isnt worth selling off, might as well let it brew.
Posted by glassman on :
i still have a few left... maybe i'll order certs to wallpaper the den Posted by T e x on :
be a big cert Posted by glassman on :
order 'em one at a time Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Who are the mods on this forum besides tex?
wassamatta?
Whats it require to become one? I think I could do a great moderating job...and have some nice knowledge of the market.
Posted by 10of13 on :
I haven't...But my sister has an etrade account...she doesn't trade much..BUT near the end of March...after having her account for over 2 years...Etrade decides to "charge a service fee" She only had about 3 bucks in cash...ANYWAYS...of all the securites she has in there..Etrade sold her CSHD shares...it wasn't even enough to cover the fees...but they just sold them...I found that "odd"...why not sell something different? Why sell CSHD? As I said..it wasn't even enough to cover her fees...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Anyone out there sell out of this completely yet?....
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Anyone out there sell out of this completely yet?....
Still holding my position,,,,,, btw, it looks like the CSHD website ( www.cvsu.us ) is displaying content again, and the officer and director pages have been removed again. FWIW
Posted by milliam on :
There's a new, new CSHD board now. They moved away from the ********s forums due to the disappearing posts.
quote:btw, it looks like the CSHD website ( www.cvsu.us ) is displaying content again, and the officer and director pages have been removed again. FWIW [/QB]
That's a good sign.
Posted by luvforever on :
Member Rated: posted April 19, 2007 10:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There's a new, new CSHD board now. They moved away from the ********s forums due to the disappearing posts.
But there are kudo's!~LOL Most haven't found it yet!~
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: Member Rated: posted April 19, 2007 10:14 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- There's a new, new CSHD board now. They moved away from the ********s forums due to the disappearing posts.
Posts: 3 04/19/07 10:07 AM First of all, the avatar is the real Griff, my 10 pound yorky, the love of my life. Griff says WOFF to everyone!
All the news in general is very good. There is alot of postive info and attitudes are very upbeat with those that read our post but don't post, if you know what I mean. There is a great deal of concern by these folks that you are getting too tired to hang on, but please hang on, when the judge allows Rufus to speak he will. The authorities and the judge have control of the case and all the side bars that have developed from the proceedings. The crooks have been identified and the process will take care of them. Let me state one more time, Rufus isn't in control of the information timeline, the judge is, he is calling the shots.
The default has been answered but don't know if the judge has ruled on it, yet. Trying to find out why it has not shown up on Pacer. But Rufus did answer it.
Still looks like we will merge with a US company in order to up list maybe to the AMEX or even the New York has been mentioned in general conversation. I know there has been talk about an European company but the chances seem at this time to be greater for a US company. In addition, the Euronex is only operating in Europe right now.
It has been determined by the authorities that our CEO, and yes, Rufus has been recognized by the authorities as the true CEO, has been cleared of ANY wrong doing in this case. Others that were associated with the co. aren't so lucky.
Still important that you order your certs; that continues to come up. Don't know why but it is important enough that only a few know the reason why and they ain't talking.
Rufus retiring from the MOD of his site has no secret meaning other than his work load has increased to the point that he doesn't have time to do it anymore. I see that as very good news; with his work load increasing can only mean the wait time for the BOMB is getting smaller, much smaller.
There is more basher attacks on the way and they are planned, seems their are some who want to replace Rufus with another. When they come just ignore them and don't let anyone talked you into changing your feeling about Rufus. Some of you may be contacted directly; the larger your holding the better the chance a direct contact will be made. Just remember who is still here working for us while all the others have vanished into wherever, some of them with million of dollars of your money.
And one more time, when the judge alows Rufus to speak he will
Posted by PCola77 on :
Can someone translate that for me? All I see is:
"Blah blah blah. I'm important and you're not. Believe this random anonymous poster that Rufus has answered the judgment, even though Rufus himself has said that he didn't, and nothing shows up on PACER."
Posted by new2stocks on :
Well, we shall see.....
Posted by luvforever on :
New you just click the button and it sends it to them they must accept then
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: New you just click the button and it sends it to them they must accept then
Thanks luv, i figured it out! See you there~
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
How are things in here? Looks like New2 and Luv are keeping everyone updated. Thats good.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I'll come back later and see if anyone responds.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: I'll come back later and see if anyone responds.
Well TB, if Griff isnt a wacko id say things look pretty good. His latest post is very well written and he appears to be getting info from someplace so hopefully hes not that far off. If hes not involved with the company directly i wonder if maybe he has hired a lawyer to "get answers".
Anyone know any details about Griff? Where he is from? Has he eluded to his share count? Anything?
Posted by new2stocks on :
Mr Cat. your pm box is full. Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: I'll come back later and see if anyone responds.
Well TB, if Griff isnt a wacko id say things look pretty good. His latest post is very well written and he appears to be getting info from someplace so hopefully hes not that far off. If hes not involved with the company directly i wonder if maybe he has hired a lawyer to "get answers".
Anyone know any details about Griff? Where he is from? Has he eluded to his share count? Anything?
Well, Griff is the the posters dog, who is a friend and runs around with Chocolate Thunder so therefore this is comming directly from the horse's mouth.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Mr Cat. your pm box is full.
Oops, ok i cleared a spot or two.... Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I haven't...But my sister has an etrade account...she doesn't trade much..BUT near the end of March...after having her account for over 2 years...Etrade decides to "charge a service fee" She only had about 3 bucks in cash...ANYWAYS...of all the securites she has in there..Etrade sold her CSHD shares...it wasn't even enough to cover the fees...but they just sold them...I found that "odd"...why not sell something different? Why sell CSHD? As I said..it wasn't even enough to cover her fees...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Anyone out there sell out of this completely yet?....
Sounds pretty ILLEGAL to me!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Mr. C- It is sent buddy!! Posted by Jenna on :
Today I ate more calories than King Kong....
By the way Mr.C the Float (made with Diet Coke)from Wendy's was delicious..... Posted by fhalyesss on :
Well this is RPH last chance with me!
He is claiming on his site that news is coming on Monday, and this time it is set in stone!!!
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Today at 3:21am, leedsatlanta wrote:Rufus will the info be:
1- Through a business wire? 2- Through this board? 3- Through legal documentation? 4- Through SPR?
TIA
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GODSPEED
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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
O M G !! Am I crazy or is it everyone else?
What is going on with all this and this mythical Rufus? Is it REALLY him or someone yanking our collective chains?
Posted by Goodones on :
Still here with 1800 shares. Looking for some oldtime summer excitement like last year. Cross our fingers.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 609 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 622 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, April 20th « Reply #119 on Today at 4:06am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I need to apologize to the shareholders of CSHD
I fell asleep at my post for a few months
I applied too much FAITH in the system (SEC and DOJ) and prayed that they would come to our rescue quickly
I forgot the reason I started this battle 4 years ago and for this I must Apologize
To the GOVERNMENT BOYS that are reading this; Today is the beginning of a NEW ERA
GODSPEED
Posted by unclerudy on :
Tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow. Later, later, later. Thats all we ever get from this stupid stock. I wish I wasn't so greedy, and had sold it when I had the chance at somewhere near 3 bucks. Now I am stuck with this stinker, hoping that it might someday get to my breakeven point around .50, which I doubt seriously will probably never happen.
God. I could have bought a new car with my earnings if I hadn't been a hog.
Posted by unclerudy on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I need to apologize to the shareholders of CSHD
I fell asleep at my post for a few months
I applied too much FAITH in the system (SEC and DOJ) and prayed that they would come to our rescue quickly
I forgot the reason I started this battle 4 years ago and for this I must Apologize
To the GOVERNMENT BOYS that are reading this; Today is the beginning of a NEW ERA
GODSPEED
The only appology that I will accept is having the stock be listed again, and trading somewhere near its supposed worth. Until then, Rufus is a bag of empty promises.
Posted by new2stocks on :
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Today at 6:35am, poopy wrote:By the way, and probably the most important question this morning Mr. Harris, how's your daughter doing???
Thank You for asking
Her name is Bryce and she has not been well
A Hard thing for a 10 year old to witness
The Demon did not even try to hide, he just walked up to the fence line shot the dogs, smiled at her and walked off
You know; it is occurrences in life like this that make Judgment day a truly Great day
GODSPEED
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Today I ate more calories than King Kong....
By the way Mr.C the Float (made with Diet Coke)from Wendy's was delicious.....
Its a good thing you went with the diet coke to offset all of the vanilla ice cream calories!
Mmmmm, i might have to try one today. Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hmmmm, i guess by not reading the "other board" i missed out on something. Someone came onto the Ranch and shot Rufus' dogs.....in front of his daughter!?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Hmmmm, i guess by not reading the "other board" i missed out on something. Someone came onto the Ranch and shot Rufus' dogs.....in front of his daughter!?
Yes Mr Cat....someone did apparently.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Hmmmm, i guess by not reading the "other board" i missed out on something. Someone came onto the Ranch and shot Rufus' dogs.....in front of his daughter!?
Yes Mr Cat....someone did apparently.
Even IF it was ever proven that Rufus did ANYTHING illegal that is totally F'd up and I hope they burn in hell for it. I always thought it was strange hearing from the people at the BBQ that there appeared to be NO security at the ranch regardless of the very high profile Rufus has generated. I sincerely hope there are some things in place now to protect him and his family.
Posted by milliam on :
Agreed...totally F'd up. I hope everything works out for this company so that we get our rewards and Rufus's family gets theirs. It seems like they deserve it to put up with crap like this.
Posted by TimW on :
Wait theres another we should feel sorry for rufus story now? Posted by 10of13 on :
This is just stupid! Close the damn stock down...make it all go away...they shot his dog in front of his daughter? This is NUTS!!!! Not worth any amount of money!
Posted by a surfer on :
Wow... Haven't read this in a bit...
If someone did that in front of my daughter I would saw both their legs off with a buttter knife in front of a mirror.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wow...surf..remind me to never pizz you off!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Today I ate more calories than King Kong....
By the way Mr.C the Float (made with Diet Coke)from Wendy's was delicious.....
Its a good thing you went with the diet coke to offset all of the vanilla ice cream calories!
Mmmmm, i might have to try one today.
Kinda like getting 2 Big Macs, Large Fries, an Apple Pie & top it off with a LARGE DIET COKE... Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Today at 6:35am, poopy wrote:By the way, and probably the most important question this morning Mr. Harris, how's your daughter doing???
Thank You for asking
Her name is Bryce and she has not been well
A Hard thing for a 10 year old to witness
The Demon did not even try to hide, he just walked up to the fence line shot the dogs, smiled at her and walked off
You know; it is occurrences in life like this that make Judgment day a truly Great day
GODSPEED
THAT IS SICK!!!
Enough is Enough....poor little girl, she will remember that forever!!!
I will pray for her. It's not worth it Rufus, put your family first....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Wait theres another we should feel sorry for rufus story now?
You dont HAVE to be here. Posted by Jenna on :
Tim- forget Rufus just for a second & think about his little girl....
Posted by ClayN on :
It takes someone supposedly shooting his dogs in front of his daughter that triggers him to realize that he has done a ****ty job as CEO.
Sorry but until I see a police report, seems like more RPH BS to me.
If it is true though, that is f'ed up for someone to do...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
The thing that most people dont seem to realize is how "open" Rufus has been through all of this. People want to blame him for it all and accuse him of fraud yet he sits there with his family wide open for all to see on the ranch. Do some research into some companies that have been proven fraud over the last couple of years and tell me how many of the people leading those fraudulent companies told everyone exactly where to find them!
No.....no one has to feel sorry for Rufus, i really wouldnt expect that from everyone. But, if CSHD trades again and there are profits made i sincerely hope i dont see those same people posting "YAY Rufus" without first sympathizing for what he and his family have been going through.
Posted by ClayN on :
If true I sympathize. If not I don't.
Time will tell.
Posted by new2stocks on :
I wonder if he reported this incident to local authorities....wouldn't you?
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Today at 2:48am, golfinho wrote:Rufus, Sir, I finally ordered certs yesterday, ám i safe?????? I expect this time there is no delay please. GOD BLESS HARRIS FAMILY.
Thank You for the God Bless Friend
Thank You all for the Prayers and Faith;
Today was a tough day, very dramatic on the home front, Someone Shot 2 of my kids Dogs 30 ft away from my 10 year old daughter while riding a horse in our Pasture.
To those of you that wish ill means to my family, May God have mercy on your Soul Because I will not!! We have arrived at the End of our Path together; Timer reads 001.
GODSPEED
Posted by 10of13 on :
honestly? I wouldn't...going to the courts with these things...when more than likely nothing can/will be done to the person that did it? it just prolongs the grieving...and keeps the memories "fresh"...so no I wouldn't report it! I would want it to be "over"!
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I wonder if he reported this incident to local authorities....wouldn't you?
Family strongly and I mean (transitive verb, that’s to you who have stated that I do not use verbs) STRONGLY pushed for me to drop CSHD after today’s events.
But I am the type of person that today’s events were only gasoline on a smothering fire.
GODSPEED
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Today at 3:21am, leedsatlanta wrote:Rufus will the info be:
1- Through a business wire? 2- Through this board? 3- Through legal documentation? 4- Through SPR?
TIA
3 Guaranteed 4 feeling the Urge (another transitive verb)
GODSPEED
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I wonder if he reported this incident to local authorities....wouldn't you?
First off, my thoughts are with Bryce. A terrible thing for a 10yr to witness. Yet considering the tone of many in society today she and Rufus are very fortunate that the perpetrator targeted the dogs and not Rufus or his family. Keep in mind that Rufus has mentioned that he has received deaths threats for sometime now. He had insinuted that it had to do with forces behind the dark side of this stock but this incident smacks more of a disgruntled shareholder. It's very sad.
I will take Rufus at his word that this occurred since I don't think he was involved in a scam or anything illegal with CSHD. I have been more upset with the TUT's and Griff's who have promised news that never happened and yes with Rufus for setting deadlines and then not keeping them but NOTHING and I mean NOTHING makes acts of violence condonable.
GLTA Wally
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: honestly? I wouldn't...going to the courts with these things...when more than likely nothing can/will be done to the person that did it? it just prolongs the grieving...and keeps the memories "fresh"...so no I wouldn't report it! I would want it to be "over"!
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I wonder if he reported this incident to local authorities....wouldn't you?
Cruelty to animals is against the law.....the person who shot those dogs would face criminal charges. My dog is like one of my children, and if someone shot my dog, I would deffinately report it. But I guess that's just me.....
Posted by thesource on :
Come on guys , Rufus is full of $hit and probably made the whole dog story up just to get some sympathy . I guarantee you , he was posting on H-S-M under his mom's alias as well filling people heads with crap . I'd also bet the whole death threats against his family was bogus as well.
He is a compulsive liar and a con man , you have to be blind if you can't see that .
Posted by new2stocks on :
Not to mention his daughter was 30 feet away at the time of the shooting.....if my child was put in that type of danger...without a doubt I would report the incident!!
Posted by Goodones on :
I have good contacts in Ga. law inforcement. What county and town does Rufus live in? I will find out about the dog shootings.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Goodones: I have good contacts in Ga. law inforcement. What county and town does Rufus live in? I will find out about the dog shootings.
Barlow County....I checked the local Newspaper, but found nothing there...let us know what you find.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Come on guys , Rufus is full of $hit and probably made the whole dog story up just to get some sympathy . I guarantee you , he was posting on H-S-M under his mom's alias as well filling people heads with crap . I'd also bet the whole death threats against his family was bogus as well.
He is a compulsive liar and a con man , you have to be blind if you can't see that .
Ok you as well....you dont NEED to be here
How do you plan to back up this guarantee?
"I guarantee you , he was posting on H-S-M under his mom's alias as well filling people heads with crap"
As far as im concerned YOU are a con man and you are making every attempt to prove something here. Ive been keeping my emotions regarding CSHD bottled up for quite some time now but posts like yours can not continue to be ignored. Get some help son.
Posted by Goodones on :
I think you mean Bartow county? Is the town he lives in Cartersville?
Posted by 10of13 on :
New2 that's my point...my kids and my dogs ARE MY LIFE...I learned the hard way..that "reports to the authorities" do not always get remedied...so no...when things happen with my children OR MY dogs...no..I take care of it...the last thing I or my children need is reporters and police continuing to call and harass...It's not worth it...if i can't "take care of it"? God will period... I WOULD not put my kids through the BS...ever again... So no...it wouldn't surprise me if there was no report made...
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Not to mention his daughter was 30 feet away at the time of the shooting.....if my child was put in that type of danger...without a doubt I would report the incident!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Goodones: I think you mean Bartow county? Is the town he lives in Cartersville?
Yes oops typo! lol
Posted by Goodones on :
The Bartow Sheriffs office has a useless web site. The phone # is 770-382-5050.
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..Cat? did you just call him "son"? LMAO!
Posted by fhalyesss on :
quote:Originally posted by Goodones: I think you mean Bartow county? Is the town he lives in Cartersville?
I think the ranch is:
383 Clear creek road nw Adairsville GA
Posted by Goodones on :
Adairsville Ga. police dept. # is 770-773-7779
Posted by Jenna on :
10- somehow I would think that Rufus would not let that go....
Posted by new2stocks on :
Is anyone going to call the Ga police dept and check on Rufus' story?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: New2 that's my point...my kids and my dogs ARE MY LIFE...I learned the hard way..that "reports to the authorities" do not always get remedied...so no...when things happen with my children OR MY dogs...no..I take care of it...the last thing I or my children need is reporters and police continuing to call and harass...It's not worth it...if i can't "take care of it"? God will period... I WOULD not put my kids through the BS...ever again... So no...it wouldn't surprise me if there was no report made...
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Not to mention his daughter was 30 feet away at the time of the shooting.....if my child was put in that type of danger...without a doubt I would report the incident!!
Ok 10.....
Posted by 10of13 on :
new2? What's the "feel" over at pal talk? Positive or negative?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Come on guys , Rufus is full of $hit and probably made the whole dog story up just to get some sympathy . I guarantee you , he was posting on H-S-M under his mom's alias as well filling people heads with crap . I'd also bet the whole death threats against his family was bogus as well.
He is a compulsive liar and a con man , you have to be blind if you can't see that .
Ok you as well....you dont NEED to be here
How do you plan to back up this guarantee?
"I guarantee you , he was posting on H-S-M under his mom's alias as well filling people heads with crap"
As far as im concerned YOU are a con man and you are making every attempt to prove something here. Ive been keeping my emotions regarding CSHD bottled up for quite some time now but posts like yours can not continue to be ignored. Get some help son.
First off , I'm not your son !!! Secondly , I can prove or disprove the theory of him posting under a different alias by comparing the IP addresses from both user names . Lastly , your emotions are all you have left on this stock so you better keep them bottle or you'll have nothing ,DAD . Its going sub penny long before it goes back up ............
Like I said before , Rufus is a compulsive liar . Do your self a favor and try to make it up on some other stocks instead of wasting your time with this POS .
Posted by a surfer on :
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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ok, thesource..when you get those IPs let me know. Are you insinuating that you are somehow "involved" with HSM? What other involvements do you have? You are very suspect IMO and have been so for quite some time....i hope someone has taken notice.
I dont "waste" any time on this stock, I simply follow the progression. Hey, if youre right then its good i learn the ins and outs of this so it doesnt happen to me again right?
FWIW, I call you son because you behave like a child. Calling me Dad is merely a compliment...I have a ton of respect for mine.
Posted by thesource on :
You must not have a clue about IP addresses and how they work . It has nothing to do with being "involved" with anything . I could pull your IP address right now if I wanted to .
As for acting like a child , maybe its better to act like a child and see things for what they really are instead of acting like an old fool who refuses to see things for how they really are ........ just something for you to think about Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: new2? What's the "feel" over at pal talk? Positive or negative?
It's kinda quiet right now as everyone is on the Rufus board.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: You must not have a clue about IP addresses and how they work . It has nothing to do with being "involved" with anything . I could pull your IP address right now if I wanted to .
As for acting like a child , maybe its better to act like a child and see things for what they really are instead of acting like an old fool who refuses to see things for how they really are ........ just something for you to think about
Pull it.....post it....tell me where I am right now
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Come on guys , Rufus is full of $hit and probably made the whole dog story up just to get some sympathy . I guarantee you , he was posting on H-S-M under his mom's alias as well filling people heads with crap . I'd also bet the whole death threats against his family was bogus as well.
He is a compulsive liar and a con man , you have to be blind if you can't see that .
Ok you as well....you dont NEED to be here
How do you plan to back up this guarantee?
"I guarantee you , he was posting on H-S-M under his mom's alias as well filling people heads with crap"
As far as im concerned YOU are a con man and you are making every attempt to prove something here. Ive been keeping my emotions regarding CSHD bottled up for quite some time now but posts like yours can not continue to be ignored. Get some help son.
First off , I'm not your son !!! Secondly , I can prove or disprove the theory of him posting under a different alias by comparing the IP addresses from both user names . Lastly , your emotions are all you have left on this stock so you better keep them bottle or you'll have nothing ,DAD . Its going sub penny long before it goes back up ............
Like I said before , Rufus is a compulsive liar . Do your self a favor and try to make it up on some other stocks instead of wasting your time with this POS .
So why are you wasting your time? No you may not be his son but your immaturity is easy to see. It is also self evident that your having lost some money here has clouded your judgement.
You ascert statements as if they are facts yet if you were right IMO, Rufus would have been arrested just as Jim Plant of CKYS was arrested. Neither Jim nor Rufus has been convicted of anything and I happen to believe in the law of the land. The law of the land is innocent until proven quilty.
It seems that your emotions have gotten the best of you. Any stock purchase is a gamble. I've had many losses because I failed to set my proper entry and exit points. My bad. No one elses.
Time will tell who is right and who is wrong but posting as you have does open you up for legal recourse whereas most others here keep emotions out and stay away from ascerting opinions as facts.
I wonder how you will feel if not only todays incident is true but Rufus is cleared of any wrong doing. IMO, a simple I'm sorry or I take it back will not suffice.
GLTA Wally
Posted by PCola77 on :
source, I'd also be interested to see if you could really do it. Quite a claim you're making there that is very easy to verify if you are telling the truth or BSing.
I'm not on one side or the other, but if you won't post it you'll kill any credibility you have, and if you do, then people will be forced to look closer at your posts, I think. the ball is in your court.
Posted by Murnak on :
Trace Any IP Address Or Website! Then see a satellite picture of the location! How close can it get to your house!
Posted by wallymac on :
Well, let's see. If a family of 4 has one computer and one internet provider, would it show the same IP address for all 4? If so then how would you go about proving who of the 4 was posting at any given time.
GLTA Wally
Posted by PCola77 on :
Oh, and that doesn't really prove anything anyway. Everyone in my company will have the same IP address show up since they all go through the same WAN. So you could presumer tha I have 10 aliases if the same IP address shows up 10 times, but really it could be 10 people from my company.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
BAH!!!
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Come on guys , Rufus is full of $hit and probably made the whole dog story up just to get some sympathy . I guarantee you , he was posting on H-S-M under his mom's alias as well filling people heads with crap . I'd also bet the whole death threats against his family was bogus as well.
He is a compulsive liar and a con man , you have to be blind if you can't see that .
Posted by Bluemound_Freak on :
My IP address is Huntville Alabama...........I am not from Huntsville!
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator CSHD Chairman member is offline Chairman & CEO
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The authorities have found who shot the dogs and charges are underway, I will not give more details until investigation is completed.
4 children were in the vicinity 10, 9, 6 and 4 years old
Family said to tell everyone Thank You for your prayers and well wishes
GODSPEED
Posted by milliam on :
It will be interesting to find out who did this and why. I just wonder if they were an ex-shareholder, a current shareholder, a hired hit man, a nss. More drama piled onto of the huge CHSD drama pile.
I just hope his family remains safe!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I wonder if he can go back to the judge and say "see, that's why I haven't been able to answer the default"?
Posted by ClayN on :
If it happened it could be someone he pissed off in town just as easy...
quote:Originally posted by milliam: It will be interesting to find out who did this and why. I just wonder if they were an ex-shareholder, a current shareholder, a hired hit man, a nss. More drama piled onto of the huge CHSD drama pile.
I just hope his family remains safe!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Maybe it was the judge...LOL, got tired of waiting for him and is trying to "motivate" him. LOL.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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We pressed no Charges, turned out to be neighbor on back side of pasture that we do not know.
He stated that he did not mean to kill the dog just meant to pepper them. Stated that the puppies chase his ducks and were on his property.
Investigation turn out that the Kids were more like 125 ft away with small hill between them and dogs, so no immediate danger to the kids.
Matthew 18:33-35
33Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?'
34In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.
35"This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart."
GODSPEED
Posted by milliam on :
Well, talk about jumping to conclusions. I guess we all did some of that in one way or another, but given the info we had...
Now I wonder if the dog killing is what lit the fire under Rufus to claim Monday as the day and get him motivated. I'm glad the dog killing wasn't what we thought it was, but I hope it doesn't slow down any progress that might be made.
Posted by TimW on :
Oh thats bull crap.
How do we go from a killer walks up to the fence, cold blooded kills the animal, and smiles at her and walks away..
To "just meant to pepper the dog", kids "are 125ft away behind a small hill"
Last i knew a shotgun tore up a dog not ever "peppered" it.
A shotgun "peppers" cars, maybe bears or whales, but a dog?
Stupid story.
He must not care about his kids cause if anyone were to come to my property line and fire shots in the general vicinity, i dont care how far away the kids are, that shotgun will be turned around and shoved in a dark cavity.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Birdshot would pepper a dog......but yes, I agree it does seem he is playing this down now. And I also agree, shotgun...dark cavity
Posted by mo-rydr on :
More like 'head up dark cavity' to anyone who bought this story. I always put on my hip-wadders and grab my shovel before enterring this thread anymore. And , oh yes I drank a lot of coolaid before and still holding $24,000 worth (paid) of this stock. I also have bags and bags of BS sitting next to that stinky bag.
Posted by T e x on :
lol, mo...
I have an artist friend who uses the term chaos junkie for those who seem to thrive on inviting drama into their lives... one can't help but wonder if a certain household is at the corner of Melo & Drama...
Posted by mo-rydr on :
He He He... Tex, I can only imagine how this jacka$$ can sit around thinking up ways to play these boards like a fiddle. He's just having fun after giving us all the 'screwgie'. How I would LOVE to get my hands around his scrawny neck, but then again, that wouldn't be the Christian thing to do.
Posted by T e x on :
yup..pretty big wedgie.
If I were out a lotta dough? Given there's no sentiment for a class-action? I'd try filing through my local Small Claims Court...wouldn't cost much, could only sue for whatever a given state's limits are, BUT might be real interesting to see what happens...
ya...quite the fiddle player: what's that tune? not Allman Bros.... oh, yeah--Charlie Daniels, lol
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Well, God says that He has an EXTRA HOT spot for those who use His Name for charlitan purposes.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
hi everyone, my computer has been down
Miss chatting with ya all.
Posted by milliam on :
I agree that the story sure sounds different now, but I can't remember who added the part about the shooter smiling at the girl after killing the dog...whoever it was, sure should lose all credibility!
From the sound of the real story, the dog wasn't on Rufus's property when it was shot. I can see where the guy thought he'd just pepper the dog, but it only take one pellet in the right spot to kill it.
I can also see why Rufus wouldn't press charges...it was pretty much his falt for not keeping his dogs out from where they don't belong.
Posted by milliam on :
Ok, I looked back and it turns out Rufus was the one who posted about the dog killer smiling at his girl after shooting the dog.
So, Rufus should lose all credibility...if he has any left!
I guess his girls could have made up the smiling part, but whatever.
Enough on this one, on to the next piece of drama .
Posted by Jenna on :
Here is a pretty interesting post from Rufus (or should I say Paul)...
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Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 638 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 667 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Saturday, April 21st « Reply #94 on Today at 5:11pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The time has come for the type of market manipulation that occurred with our stock to stop. Someone had to take a stand; even if we have 10 trillion in assets until the MM’s (Market Manipulators) are stopped our corporation would never reach its true value with thousands of illegal shareholders in the market.
Our company to them was just another day at the office, thousands of corporations are illegally traded each day, millions in illegal stock sold to innocent shareholders causing false market prices. Taking your hard earned money and then laughing and taunting it in your face by posting on message boards, internet talk shows, false press releases and Web sites.
I do not care who is benefiting from this activity, even if it is political parties funding their activities, it is over, the hundred of millions of shares sold in our corporation was your down fall.
At the time of the merger the corporation only had 31 million shares that could trade legally, THE FLOAT, but yet that amount traded with in the first 3 days and has never stopped.
We are coming for you, I do not care who you are or what your reasons were; Your trading activity in our stock was and is ILLEGAL.
Shareholders it is now time, if you have copied or stored documentation concerning the activity; such as emails or post from suspicious indivisibles, daily trading activity to include daily volumes Please forward it to HereWeCome*CSHD.US.
I hope that all shareholders have learned how the markets are used to steal from the American people on a daily basis.
I prefer to be called Paul; I started to use my first name in dedication to my Farther, Guy Rufus Harris, a very honest and simple man who was in good health and died of a sudden heart attack. In my mind what better way could I remember him than a fight for the Greater Good.
GODSPEED and GOD BLESS
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Hahaha...when is Rufus going to be tested for a mental disease?
Posted by T e x on :
good Lord...
how long will he dance around the financing?
Nevermind the bonds, the moon, the reset, etc, etc...
No one ever asks him about AJW's rate of conversion?
If not, no wonder he's still dancing...
Posted by GreenDay on :
Seems to me that Rufus is giving a hint that he was posting as "the greater good"
Posted by mo-rydr on :
I see everyone is racing around, looking to see if they hid away any documentation about "suspicious indivisibles" (is that as in one nation under God?).
Posted by new2stocks on :
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Click on Patrick Byrnes letter to the SEC from last Thursday. 4/19/2007
Posted by Jenna on :
That's great New2, but if only Rufus had done that.... Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: That's great New2, but if only Rufus had done that....
Well, Monday is here! I hope something happens today! Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: That's great New2, but if only Rufus had done that....
Well, Monday is here! I hope something happens today!
Something has happenned! You woke up. I woke up. Think of the people that won't wake up.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: That's great New2, but if only Rufus had done that....
Well, Monday is here! I hope something happens today!
Something has happenned! You woke up. I woke up. Think of the people that won't wake up.
I meant I hope something happens with CSHD today..... Posted by Jenna on :
We will see....I am not holding my breath....I didn't get my hopes up because my heart can't take another let down......Good Luck All... Posted by new2stocks on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good Morning Everyone. This is just my thinking about today. Someone we have trusted a long time is going to be very busy. I personally doubt if he is going to have the time to keep us posted as things develop today. I believe honestly that he would like to and wants to, but he is going to be very busy. I think this is what has happened in the past that so many people became irritated about. Circumstances kept him from doing what he wanted to do in behalf of our best interest. SO DO NOT GET DISTURBED OR UPSET TODAY WHEN THINGS DON'T SEEM TO GET POSTED. As some have said in the past, leave him along and let him get this done without having to worry about "what are the stockholders going to think now in light of what I have said about today"? The Scripture says, "Patience comes by tribulation". Well, we have been through the tribulation since 2004. Stand back and watch the mountain move. This is a great day for many of us, but remember, for some today it is going to be the beginning of great tribulation for them and the fallout is going to effect their families and loved ones. Remember, months ago I posted as my signature "Sow good----reap good". Months ago I made the statement "the waves run deep".......well, they did! I have come to feel this board has become family. So many of you have been an inspiration to so many, loving, caring, and willing to "bear anothers burdens". In behalf of myself and Becky, thank you for what you mean to us. Dr. J
Posted by PCola77 on :
So is every self-important "trader" in this stock, or just most of them?
Posted by Jenna on :
PC- put it this way....Everyone is "IN THE KNOW" but NOONE KNOWS NOTHING.
Posted by PCola77 on :
that's a double negative. So you mean everyone knows something? I don't think I know anything, but maybe I do. Ugh, I'm so confused.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: NOONE KNOWS NOTHING.
Posted by Tmoney on :
here is my thought for all you "In the know" scripture quoters, i have got two for you THOU SHALT NOT STEAL THOU SHALT NOT LIE wow straight from the ten commandments, so if you "in the know" people are quoting these other scriptures and STEALING from our pockets and LIEING to us about these dates, i really feel sorry for you that you would stoop so low to try and manipulate people by involving christianity, because ultimately you wont get away with it,
Posted by TimW on :
So this is what was said:
Something will happen today, but they are busy so dont worry if nothing happens today.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: that's a double negative. So you mean everyone knows something? I don't think I know anything, but maybe I do. Ugh, I'm so confused.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: NOONE KNOWS NOTHING.
Precisely!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: So this is what was said:
Something will happen today, but they are busy so dont worry if nothing happens today.
LOL- that is so funny because i think that is exactly what he was saying!!
Posted by a surfer on :
I know what day it is.....
Wednesday right?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Who's on first?
Posted by 6digits on :
So busy doing stuff that he can't get anything done?
Posted by 6digits on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Who's on first?
Thats right.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Ha? WTF is this BS.
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: SNP Full Member
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Good Morning Everyone. This is just my thinking about today. Someone we have trusted a long time is going to be very busy. I personally doubt if he is going to have the time to keep us posted as things develop today. I believe honestly that he would like to and wants to, but he is going to be very busy. I think this is what has happened in the past that so many people became irritated about. Circumstances kept him from doing what he wanted to do in behalf of our best interest. SO DO NOT GET DISTURBED OR UPSET TODAY WHEN THINGS DON'T SEEM TO GET POSTED. As some have said in the past, leave him along and let him get this done without having to worry about "what are the stockholders going to think now in light of what I have said about today"? The Scripture says, "Patience comes by tribulation". Well, we have been through the tribulation since 2004. Stand back and watch the mountain move. This is a great day for many of us, but remember, for some today it is going to be the beginning of great tribulation for them and the fallout is going to effect their families and loved ones. Remember, months ago I posted as my signature "Sow good----reap good". Months ago I made the statement "the waves run deep".......well, they did! I have come to feel this board has become family. So many of you have been an inspiration to so many, loving, caring, and willing to "bear anothers burdens". In behalf of myself and Becky, thank you for what you mean to us. Dr. J
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Tmoney: here is my thought for all you "In the know" scripture quoters, i have got two for you THOU SHALT NOT STEAL THOU SHALT NOT LIE wow straight from the ten commandments, so if you "in the know" people are quoting these other scriptures and STEALING from our pockets and LIEING to us about these dates, i really feel sorry for you that you would stoop so low to try and manipulate people by involving christianity, because ultimately you wont get away with it,
Who are you talking to?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Wouldn't it be something if something actually did happen? What if we really are GOLDEN? I'd probably have a heart attack. Stock default answered, bonds are real, court case dropped and all CSHD shareholders have simultaneous heart attacks as stock rockets from .03 to $100.00+.
Hmmm, LOL!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Wouldn't it be something if something actually did happen? What if we really are GOLDEN? I'd probably have a heart attack. Stock default answered, bonds are real, court case dropped and all CSHD shareholders have simultaneous heart attacks as stock rockets from .03 to $100.00+.
Hmmm, LOL!
Oh boy stockstar is already hitting the sauce this morning.....LOL
Posted by Tmoney on :
just making a comment about all the people quoting scriptures from the other boards, like SNP this morning, he claims to know something and quoting scriptures about patience, i was just saying i hope is telling the truth and we really are golden, cause if he is lying to us and using the bible to help, well God bless his soul
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Wouldn't it be something if something actually did happen? What if we really are GOLDEN? I'd probably have a heart attack. Stock default answered, bonds are real, court case dropped and all CSHD shareholders have simultaneous heart attacks as stock rockets from .03 to $100.00+.
Hmmm, LOL!
Oh boy stockstar is already hitting the sauce this morning.....LOL
I wish! LOL. I always say if you can't laugh at yourself there is something wrong.
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus just came onto his board.....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
probably to say he's sorry nothings going to happen today.
Posted by PCola77 on :
100:1 says not a damn (real, verifyable) thing comes of it.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus just came onto his board.....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus just came onto his board.....
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- GODSPEED
Posted by Jenna on :
Just said Godspeed.....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just said Godspeed.....
yup.....that's it.
Now there is all the hype and speculation to the meaning of the time the thread was started.....oh my.
Posted by Jenna on :
Isn't it funny New2....
It's just the time he started the thread...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Oh, "GODSPEED" now is all makes sense!
by the way, any chance he just posted a blank message, and "Godspeed" is like his "signature" that automatically gets put at the bottom of all messages?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Isn't it funny New2....
It's just the time he started the thread...
Notice you are getting smited jenna? It's funny, I was labeled a basher the other day for posting on HSM that I hoped Rufus had reported that dog thing to the police and that I bounced someone from the paltalk room who swore at me.....just silly!
Posted by Jenna on :
No it's not...but when he starts a new thread everyday that is the only thing he says...
Sometimes he posts a lot, sometimes a little but always starts the same...first post Godspeed
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Oh, "GODSPEED" now is all makes sense!
by the way, any chance he just posted a blank message, and "Godspeed" is like his "signature" that automatically gets put at the bottom of all messages?
No, it was his post, not sig.
Posted by PCola77 on :
thanks
Posted by wallymac on :
Is it just me or can someone please post where Rufus stated that today was the day? I read him saying that a new era is starting and that he basically has been sitting on his duff the past couple of months not doing anything, just waiting like the rest of us but I couldn't find anything stating anything other than the fact he is going to start working again.
I doubt any news comes out today other than maybe a PR stating that he will be on SPR tonight or tommorrow. I doubt any PR for that either.
People just read too much into everything just like his starting the thread with a time stamp and his usual GODSPEED.
GLTA Wally
Posted by new2stocks on :
I searched hard...this is what I found...
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 640 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 682 Re: Friday, April 20th « Reply #10 on Apr 20, 2007, 1:33am »
Wally this was posted here the other day...I didn't check in all day with the hopes that coming in late would leave me a "surprise"...should have just stayed gone all day...or maybe months...
quote:Originally posted by fhalyesss: Well this is RPH last chance with me!
He is claiming on his site that news is coming on Monday, and this time it is set in stone!!!
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Yet, I still don't see anything that states Monday news only that he was going to be working again.
GLTA Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wally this was posted here the other day...I didn't check in all day with the hopes that coming in late would leave me a "surprise"...should have just stayed gone all day...or maybe months...
quote:Originally posted by fhalyesss: Well this is RPH last chance with me!
He is claiming on his site that news is coming on Monday, and this time it is set in stone!!!
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 582 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 616 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, April 20th « Reply #80 on Today at 3:09am »
Today at 3:21am, leedsatlanta wrote:Rufus will the info be:
1- Through a business wire? 2- Through this board? 3- Through legal documentation? 4- Through SPR?
TIA
3 Guaranteed 4 feeling the Urge (another transitive verb)
GODSPEED
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
Sadly it isn't the first date we received from him. I guess his memory is as bad as his ability to deliver according to his own self imposed deadlines.. I guess the whole Pacer and Proxy dates didn't count.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just said Godspeed.....
yup.....that's it.
Now there is all the hype and speculation to the meaning of the time the thread was started.....oh my.
Not that I want to jump into their bandwagon or anything, but it is kind of odd that rufus posted a time next to the thread title, I haven't seen him do that before.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just said Godspeed.....
yup.....that's it.
Now there is all the hype and speculation to the meaning of the time the thread was started.....oh my.
Not that I want to jump into their bandwagon or anything, but it is kind of odd that rufus posted a time next to the thread title, I haven't seen him do that before.
You correct in that point, he has never done that before, but I'm not going to read anything into it at this point...I'm waiting to see a filing or something of fact. Posted by milliam on :
Copied from the other board:
Posted by: Our-Street In reply to:******* who wrote msg# 147814 Date:4/23/2007 9:59:08 AM Post #of 147818
Actually, it will not remain on the gray sheets forever. There is still one final act of mercy yet to be executed by the SEC and that is when they revoke CSHD's registration. At that point, it will no longer even qualify to trade on the gray sheets and the last of the hopeful will be put out of their misery.
For an example of another company I exposed that went that way check out HQNT. Another total scam. There were others but this one was the most satisfying.
Don't panic however as this last step can take a while. Still, just as everything I predicted when I first exposed this fraud has come to pass, like the setting of the sun, this too will fade from obscurity into nothingness in due course. tock.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Now why would "our street" be posting over there? What is his reasoning? To rub salt in the wound? or to attempt and make all sell? Is he really out to save us all? Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
10, my guess its bragging rights. If this fades away then he can gloat but if it doesnt he can just vanish. I REALLY dont think he was interested in this reaching the SEC for "us".
Posted by milliam on :
I'm assuming this post was from IHUB, but I got it off of Rufus's, I mean, Paul's board.
I guess there's a couple of reasons why he would post again, and Mr. Cat's is one very good possibility.
Posted by wallymac on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator ***** CSHD Chairman member is offline
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 644 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 682 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Monday, April 23rd 1:33 « Reply #444 on Today at 3:47pm » [Quote]
Today at 3:43pm, ronburgundy wrote: Mr. Harris, are you satisfied with the events of today?
Are you able to say whether you were handling business related to GA or DC?
Cheers.
Ron
GA; Answer has been sent to Clerk!
GODSPEED
Posted by wallymac on :
I was just banned from the Rufus board for posting this. I guess good hard questions are now considered bashing. Glad I copied it before I was banned.
[quote author=admin board=general thread=1177349610 post=1177360799][quote author=jetsmom board=general thread=1177349610 post=1177360214]Is it finished Mr. Harris??[/quote]
End Game for some and New Beginning for the shareholders!!
GODSPEED[/quote]
Well, that's nice. Now how about the information you promised would be out today, Monday April the 23rd, 2007? You do remember posting that don't you?
Whatever happened to the Proxy that you promised back in February?
As a shareholder, I'm simply asking questions. You have stated that you fell asleep at the wheel for CSHD so it's up to us shareholders to take you task when you make a statement. Please follow through.
I'm glad that your family is OK and that Fridays incident had nothing to do with the market.
Please keep your word.
Posted by thesource on :
I finally got banned on there as well .
LMAO .......... It was about time .
That board has some of the most brain washed fools I have ever seen in my life . They truely get what they deserve if they dump more money into this P.O.S.
Posted by wallymac on :
I must wonder what the legality would be in this situation. As a shareholder of CSHD, the CEO has banned me from reading information on a public forum pertaining to my investment. I was not only banned from posting but can no longer access the website to read what is being posted.
Not a good sign IMO.
GLTA Wally
Posted by milliam on :
That does seem sticky there wally. Just to let you know, your post is still there, gamblinman.
Posted by milliam on :
Post from Rufus:
Today at 4:01pm, taxback04 wrote:How was it delivered to the clerk Mr. Harris. Should we expect any delays from the delivery method. I think I had found most docs show up on Pacer a few days after they are filed, but I noticed that the documents you took to court with you took almost a week.
I just want to make sure we are all ready for any possibile delays from now till they are public. Also are you able to post the answer publically after it is officially recieved?
Yes, and I will , when I receive the stamped copy!! Should be Tomorrow
GODSPEED
Posted by thesource on :
Just remember people that without a lawyer , Rufus cannot go foward .........
He can file a response every day for the next month straight and CSHD will still be in default because he cannot represent the company himself .
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: That does seem sticky there wally. Just to let you know, your post is still there, gamblinman.
That's funny. Leave the post and then ban the poster. I really didn't think anything I posted was out of line.
Wally
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: That does seem sticky there wally. Just to let you know, your post is still there, gamblinman.
That's funny. Leave the post and then ban the poster. I really didn't think anything I posted was out of line.
Wally
I have never been over there.....
Anyone want to PM me the site adress?? I would love to see for entertainment purposes at least.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: That does seem sticky there wally. Just to let you know, your post is still there, gamblinman.
The only time I have ever posted on a message board as anything other than Wallymac and only did that because in the early days of that board they attacked me as a basher. Instead of defending myself, which I thought was not neccessary, I registered for the board as gamblinman. Oh well. Nothing I post will change what happens anyway. So I'll sit back and wait.
Wally
Posted by thesource on :
Posted by: Dallas66 In reply to: beachcracker who wrote msg# 147822 Date:4/23/2007 5:13:32 PM Post #of 147826
Question to Rufus: How was it delivered to the clerk Mr. Harris. Should we expect any delays from the delivery method. I think I had found most docs show up on Pacer a few days after they are filed, but I noticed that the documents you took to court with you took almost a week.
I just want to make sure we are all ready for any possibile delays from now till they are public. Also are you able to post the answer publically after it is officially recieved?
Response from Rufus:
Yes, and I will , when I receive the stamped copy!! Should be Tomorrow
GODSPEED
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Why would he get a stamped copy tomorrow ? If it was hand delivered to the clerk , they file stamp it right there . Its your responcibility to bring an extra copy for them to file stamp (or atleast its that way here in Texas).
Maybe he hired an attorney with that 5 billion dollars in cash the company is rumored to have in the bank . I'm thinking his attorney filed it and needs to give him a copy . Yeah thats it ...... thats gotta be it cause Rufus couldn't be full of $hit , right ?
Posted by Jenna on :
I guess Simon just tried to call RPH...
..someone has requested he call in.....
Posted by Jenna on :
Good Night All.....
May you have...
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Champagne Wishes
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Caviar Dreams!!!!
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Posted by milliam on :
Good morning all.
Here's the latest posts from Paul on his board:
I needed to find out as much as I could about the crooks, that was the reason for the delay in answering. GODSPEED
MMajor Attacks on my computers, my virus programs are in over time! Someone is trying to get into my files One computer down, 5 still running though I will be back after I reload my backups GODSPEED
Look for Impeachment processes to start soon
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
AHHAHAHAHA that is really funny....he's really trying to pretend he is important. Major attacks on his computer, someone is trying to bring him down lol.
Posted by Jenna on :
I'm sure this won't shock anyone but LegalNoob called the clerk & the clerk said that as of yet she has not recieved anything.....she said the last filing was in Jan....
Posted by Jenna on :
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Today at 8:02am, phatspender wrote:anyone call the clerk to confirm if something was filed?
I just called the clerk. According to the clerk, nothing has been filed since January. If the pleading was mailed, as opposed to electronic filing or hand delivery, it would not show up until received and processed by the clerk.
Posted by Jenna on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is the contact information for the clerk of court:
Court's Name: Northern District of Georgia Court's Address: United States Courthouse, 75 Spring Street SW, Atlanta, GA 30303-3361 Court's Phone Number: 404-215-1655 Court's Hours: 8:00am - 4:45pm, M-F
Case Number: 1:06-cv-02568-CC Case Titling: SEC v. Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation, and Rufus Paul Harris
Posted by thesource on :
Damn that guy is such a freakin retard . Doesn't he think after fu<king over so many people that someone would call to verify his bull**** story ????
Posted by thedoctor on :
Hi Everyone ___________ This just might be the final straw. If he answered at all, he probably answered for himself and not CSHD. I am not sure he even did that. If a lawyer answered, I think it would have been on Pacer. Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Hi Everyone ___________ This just might be the final straw. If he answered at all, he probably answered for himself and not CSHD. I am not sure he even did that. If a lawyer answered, I think it would have been on Pacer.
Heya! I agree, this will be the final straw for most....if not all. He cant cover this one up, he claimed that "something" was FILED so if nothing comes out with the proper date on it he will have nothing but pie on his face.
We shall see but im guessing SOMETHING was filed or he wouldnt have taken this chance.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
OK, now don't forget. How do we even know that this really is Rufus. Don't be naive (sorry if I spelled it wrong). We may have fun with the postings but anyone can say GODSPEED.
Besides, didn't the judge tell him not to do or say anything which could be misconstrued?
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Does anyone know what would happen to him / CSHD if there is no answer to the Default by the 'one year to answer' timeframe? Does the SEC win by default and the company just goes into receivership, whatever that means?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Does anyone know what would happen to him / CSHD if there is no answer to the Default by the 'one year to answer' timeframe? Does the SEC win by default and the company just goes into receivership, whatever that means?
Another excellent question.
Posted by thesource on :
I've talked to Ms. Black about the case and she did not say there was a certain time line for CSHD to respond or if they even can still respond . I asked her directly about the company going into receivership and she said she couldn't comment but don't rule it out .
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Is anyone remotely suprised we haven't seen any official statements or filings today?
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Black's Law Dictionary, 6th Edition, 1990, defines the term as follows:
"A person appointed by a court for the purpose of preserving property of a debtor pending an action against him, or applying the property in satisfaction of a creditor's claim, whenever there is danger that, in the absence of such an appointment, the property will be lost, removed or injured. An indifferent person between the parties to a cause, appointed by the court to receive and preserve the property or fund in litigation, and receive its rents, issues, and profits, and apply or dispose of them at the direction of the court when it does not seem reasonable that either party should hold them. A fiduciary of the court, appointed as an incident to other proceedings wherein certain ultimate relief is prayed. He is a trustee or ministerial officer representing court and all parties in interest to litigation, and property or fund intrusted to him."
Black's defines a Receiver pendente lite as:
"A person appointed to take charge of the fund or property to which the receivership extends while the case remains undecided. The title to the property is not changed by the appointment. The receiver acquires no title, but only the right of possession as the officer of the court. The title remains in those in whom it was vested when the appointment is made. The object of the appointment is to secure the property pending the litigation, so that it may be appropriated in accordance with the rights of the parties, as they may be determined by the judgment in the action."
Representative Experience • Receiver in Securities and Exchange Commission securities fraud cases. • Receiver in United States Department of Justice seizure cases. • Represents various lending institutions in collection and lender liability defense actions. • Represents parties in cases involving contract disputes and business torts. • Represents trustees in all aspects of bankruptcy matters under Chapters 11 and 7 of the Bankruptcy Code. • Represents companies, individuals and creditor committees in all aspects of bankruptcy matters under Chapters 11 and 7 of the Bankruptcy Code. • Represented individuals in a federal court lawsuit against a local television station for violations of federal and state wiretap laws which resulted in a $5 million settlement.
So then, if this goes to bankruptcy we can all kiss our money goodby.
I say we get together for a class-action lawsuit or something instead of just waiting for nothing.
Posted by thesource on :
I am 99% sure this company is broke . I'm sure the people involved have made money but the company itself is cash broke . It owns no property or assets to sell off and divide up . It doesn't even have any employees other than Dufus .
Ever heard the phrase "Can't get blood from a turnip" ? I think the only restitution you guys have left is if the FBI arrest him and convicts him . Other than that , I think all the parties involved (Mike A.,Ben Stanley and other envolved at the top) are off scott free but hopefully they will get there's too .
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Time will tell. I don't like losing money but I would chalk some of up to a learning lesson and it would take care of my tax losses for 07 if it's the case. It aint over till it's over and the fat lady isn't singing yet...but she may be warming up.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Originally Posted by legalnoob I posted this on the other board and wanted to share it with those here on HSM, and as a matter of clarification regarding filings in federal district court:
When a pleading is filed electronically there is no review, it just gets posted on Pacer. When a pleading is filed in hard copy, there is no review, it just gets scanned and posted on Pacer. Hence the only difference being that the pleading filed in hard copy needs to be scanned.
There is no review. It is what it is, and the clerk (deputy clerk) could care less what is stated in the document. As long as it is properly titled and formatted with the case name and number, it could be the lyrics to Humpty Dumpty and it would get posted on Pacer.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Then, IF something was posted it should be on Pacer. UNLESS it was SO ABSURD the judge/court steps in an repeals it until facts can be proven. Hmmm, clear as mud?
What if the Judge pulls it cause old Rufus actually has the bonds and until they are verified the docs are sealed? What was in that sealed envelope Rufus gave the court months ago? We still don't know.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Originally Posted by legalnoob I posted this on the other board and wanted to share it with those here on HSM, and as a matter of clarification regarding filings in federal district court:
When a pleading is filed electronically there is no review, it just gets posted on Pacer. When a pleading is filed in hard copy, there is no review, it just gets scanned and posted on Pacer. Hence the only difference being that the pleading filed in hard copy needs to be scanned.
There is no review. It is what it is, and the clerk (deputy clerk) could care less what is stated in the document. As long as it is properly titled and formatted with the case name and number, it could be the lyrics to Humpty Dumpty and it would get posted on Pacer.
This is 100% correct . It is not the clerk who reviews anything . They only submit it into the file and thats it . It should show up on Pacer reguardless of how stupid it is .
As for the default judgement , once again I'll remind you that Rufus being the CEO of a publicly traded company cannot represent anyone legally but himself . The company must hire an attorney and that requires CASH .
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I am 99% sure this company is broke . I'm sure the people involved have made money but the company itself is cash broke . It owns no property or assets to sell off and divide up . It doesn't even have any employees other than Dufus .
Ever heard the phrase "Can't get blood from a turnip" ? I think the only restitution you guys have left is if the FBI arrest him and convicts him . Other than that , I think all the parties involved (Mike A.,Ben Stanley and other envolved at the top) are off scott free but hopefully they will get there's too .
If the only options are we get nothing or close to nothing, can a class-action lawsuit take away what he has bought with his ill-gotten gains? Heck right now I'd settle for one of his thoroughbred horses.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I am 99% sure this company is broke . I'm sure the people involved have made money but the company itself is cash broke . It owns no property or assets to sell off and divide up . It doesn't even have any employees other than Dufus .
Ever heard the phrase "Can't get blood from a turnip" ? I think the only restitution you guys have left is if the FBI arrest him and convicts him . Other than that , I think all the parties involved (Mike A.,Ben Stanley and other envolved at the top) are off scott free but hopefully they will get there's too .
If the only options are we get nothing or close to nothing, can a class-action lawsuit take away what he has bought with his ill-gotten gains? Heck right now I'd settle for one of his thoroughbred horses.
Thats going to depend on him getting convicted of an actual security fraud . If so , then maybe if they can show proof of the cash flow . If in fact he did not personally gain from the fraud and has no personal assets in his name , probably not. I've heard him make mention of no one being able to take his stuff away "again" and that its in a trust name instead of his . More than likely , if his property gets seized , by the time the legal / court fees are taken out of the cash value it gets at auction , you won't get crap anyways . I personally think Rufus is a con man by trade . More than likely , he conned someone into giving him the place he currently lives in or has made some kind of deal to live there in return for some bogus promise he's offered them . Thats just my opinion .
Posted by a surfer on :
Jeez mo... I'd even settle for one of his thoroughbreds teeth.... I'd put it on a necklace and wear it to remind me of how not to waste money in life.
Posted by thesource on :
I still say we should all get a chance to give him a good south ass whoopin', it only fitting with him being a southern boy and all .
Posted by new2stocks on :
Thats going to depend on him getting convicted of an actual security fraud . If so , then maybe if they can show proof of the cash flow . If in fact he did not personally gain from the fraud and has no personal assets in his name , probably not.
Back in November I did some DD on Rufus' property The address on the subpeona that his daughter signed, when done in a reverse search, comes up as Atlewa Trust.....so IMO he has his ass-ets covered.
Posted by new2stocks on :
new2stocks Member
posted November 17, 2006 12:29 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ok guys, I got a little curious and here is what I did. On the document that was served to Rufus' home and was signed by his daughter, there was an address on the top under Rufus' name. So I did a reverse search on the address on it came back as Atlewa Trust with the same address. So I got more curious and did a Google Earth search on the address this is what came up ....
This is a residence...but is this where Rufus lives? Where is the ranch? Anyone know?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Thats going to depend on him getting convicted of an actual security fraud . If so , then maybe if they can show proof of the cash flow . If in fact he did not personally gain from the fraud and has no personal assets in his name , probably not.
Back in November I did some DD on Rufus' property The address on the subpeona that his daughter signed, when done in a reverse search, comes up as Atlewa Trust.....so IMO he has his ass-ets covered.
Unless his trust benefitted from the security fraud . I'm wondering if thats how he cashed in on the scam . Can anyone pull a list of people listed in the trust ? And if there were any of those people on the NOBO list ?
Posted by thesource on :
I'm pretty sure he's smart enough not to list them on the NOBO list or they were probably already out of it by then anyways but its worth the shot .
Posted by thesource on :
The two addresses I have are :
CSHD 507 Main Street Ste A Lake Dallas , Tx 75065
Rufus Paul Harris 383 Clear Creek Rd NW Adairsville , Ga 30103
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The two addresses I have are :
CSHD 507 Main Street Ste A Lake Dallas , Tx 75065
Rufus Paul Harris 383 Clear Creek Rd NW Adairsville , Ga 30103
I'd say there is a really good chance that he's using the trust as means to filter money out of CSHD . I'd bet Ben Stanley uses the one he's got setup from the same damn purpose .
Can anyone find out if there were unrestricted / restricted shares given to his trust for some made up service ? I know there was on Mike A. side . I did some DD on him and found several companies located at the Lake Dallas address listed as companies receiving shares for bogus services .
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Then, IF something was posted it should be on Pacer. UNLESS it was SO ABSURD the judge/court steps in an repeals it until facts can be proven. Hmmm, clear as mud?
What if the Judge pulls it cause old Rufus actually has the bonds and until they are verified the docs are sealed? What was in that sealed envelope Rufus gave the court months ago? We still don't know.
Yes, we do know. Remember when I called Alana Black & posted the answers to my questions?...Well, she said that in the sealed documents were some codes....she also said she was able to disclose that because it was already public knowledge...I believe she said it was in Pacer's....
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Want to see something funny?
Go to this webpage for Atlewa Trust and zoom-in on the map for the "35 Golden Eagle Dr, Adairsville, GA, United States" address:
Just to add to the confusion...didn't we decide quite some time ago, that RPH didn't live at the ranch? he lived in the other location that New2 pointed out? Seems I remember about the time that RPH got served and when his daughter was served that the new address was different and when asked on SPR Rufie said he didn't live at the ranch...seems his house had a pool in the backyard...I thought I remeber that we found a "picutre"...it should be back in these thread around the time that CSHD and RPH got served...and to be honest...i don't care enough to search the threads here at allstocks...
Mo...it's interesting to see that street name after a "Harris"
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Well the house at this address looks to have a pool.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Want to see something funny?
Go to this webpage for Atlewa Trust and zoom-in on the map for the "35 Golden Eagle Dr, Adairsville, GA, United States" address:
must be uncle Harris...the one who was govt. related
Posted by thesource on :
I tried to access the local county tax office website to verify ownership of the property and value but couldn't find a good link for it .
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I tried to access the local county tax office website to verify ownership of the property and value but couldn't find a good link for it .
did you try here? not sure if this would be the place or not....
I went there but they didn't have a link to look up the info online like most larger counties do .
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: new2stocks Member
posted November 17, 2006 12:29 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ok guys, I got a little curious and here is what I did. On the document that was served to Rufus' home and was signed by his daughter, there was an address on the top under Rufus' name. So I did a reverse search on the address on it came back as Atlewa Trust with the same address. So I got more curious and did a Google Earth search on the address this is what came up ....
Strange Indeed. Google now shows the site (#1 below) that I showed in the post above as the location of 383 Clear Creek Rd NW, but the map on the website: http://www.ecspace.us/Business/%40Hawaii/Atlewa.Trust/NTIyODk3Ng shows the location at a different spot on the map (#2 below). What a coincidence that they both have a pool behind the house, somewhat uncommon for houses in this area.
Posted by trade04 on :
what are you nuts up to? pastin gmaps of locations of what? you all planning an attack? lol..bout damn time..
Posted by trade04 on :
wow look at the nice property we helped paid for...sweet..
Posted by mo-rydr on :
On top of everything else all three locations are not very far apart.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: what are you nuts up to? pastin gmaps of locations of what? you all planning an attack? lol..bout damn time..
We're going to have to send a recon team in to find out what the true location is. - Then we attack! LOL
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by trade04: what are you nuts up to? pastin gmaps of locations of what? you all planning an attack? lol..bout damn time..
We're going to have to send a recon team in to find out what the true location is. - Then we attack! LOL
Paypal me some gas money and im on my way LOL. Im about 25 minutes from I-75, could probably make it to rufies in under an hour.
Posted by minkybodl on :
Listening to Rufus on SPR Wed morning replay, unless its a replay of a replay, I cant tell the difference anymore, it all sounds the same. Rufus saying to trust him he's working on it but take it to court yourself.
Posted by Igor R on :
Guess im a basher now, cause I just got banned LOL, wow this is just getting ridiculous when you can't even express a negative opinion.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Guess im a basher now, cause I just got banned LOL, wow this is just getting ridiculous when you can't even express a negative opinion.
Igor don't feel bad, I did too!
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
FWIW...RPH has some interesting posts this AM...included a couple below...perhaps today will be a day worth watching??????? GLTA
************************************* Rufus Paul Harris Administrator CSHD Chairman member is offline Chairman & CEO Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 664 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 712 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, April 25th « Reply #297 on Today at 7:30am »
Today at 7:20am, my3girls wrote:Mr. Harris...thanks for the info. How much of the story will be able to read in the default answer. Does the answer paint the entire picture?
The answer is just a basic answer
The story will come in court and other filings after we are underway, it gets really juicy
GODSPEED
************************* Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
CSHD Chairman member is offline Chairman & CEO
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 663 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 712 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, April 25th « Reply #309 on Today at 7:40am »
Today at 7:32am, cfp wrote: Today at 7:10am, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Well lets see; Atlewa Trust was started by myself, Duwayne woods and Colonel Ancil Garvin for the purpose of Asset Origination.
The first deal was a 325 million USD timber deal with a group out of NY called Dorchester Financial Group, that group failed to deliver the required funding.
Atlewa Trust then packaged an Asset Backed Bond and loaded it on Euroclear with Sequoia Asset Management Group AG and a couple of USA companies to the sum of 750 Million USA Dollars CUSIP can be provided. 300 million of the Bond was recently sold and all is well in that house.
The trust also has several hundred millions in mortgage assets. More to come on this issue soon.
GODSPEED
Paul, can we have the cusip # please?
How about this; I’ll give someone a copy of the bonds and screens if they will post them to a site.
GODSPEED
Posted by Jenna on :
Does Rufus' wife dislike New Yorker's??????? HEY!! I'm from New York!!!
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
CSHD Chairman member is offline
Chairman & CEO
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 664 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 712 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, April 25th « Reply #206 on Today at 6:12am »
Today at 3:58am, h2omd0 wrote:Good morning I see we have a updated thread, with smiles No updates , no excuses, no words. I have no opinion this morning. Rufus sir you set the date, we have no defense here until you or the court speak. We have had faith, we have done all in our power to support you. You must step to the front line or you will see a retreat. Not because we are unwilling to fight, we just do not have any ammunition left. Here is the way the story goes. March seven times around the walls. The blow the trumpet, and the walls fall down, that was to happened Monday. We need to see some walls falling down. Just a brick would be encouraging. I am sure Mr. Harris, you understand this post, we have withstood the bashers, not because we are weak, but because we are strong. We will not stand for misinformation. Step forward sir, if you are wounded will will fight, if your are tired we will hold you up, but we need you. There is no other way at this point. Raise the flag, blow the trumpet. Rufus It is in your hands. I have a big day again today, I have not lost faith. Some of us just feel wounded, we will fight with wounds, if we have a cause. At tis point we have nothing to fight with. The weapons are all in the truck. Rufus bring the truck to the front lines. Please. TIA God bless all the shareholders I have prayed for all of your today. Mr Harris we need something.
You know my family was watching spider man Sunday night, the people turned on him and all he did was help people and good, during the movie a family member looked at me and said are most of the shareholders from NY?
I answered; it is just the nature of man, and that is the main lesson of the bible!
H2 are you Jewish?
I have talked on SPR, and many message boards; you are posting on a board that I started just to keep you informed.
You are given updates as they are available!
And Yes the answer has been received by the clerk!!
GODSPEED
Posted by Igor R on :
Whats does he need to ask him if hes Jewish for?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Friggin New Yorkers!!! Posted by unclerudy on :
The reason why he was asking if he was Jewish is that the story that H2 took is from the old testiment. Which would also be the Jewish scriptures.
Posted by thesource on :
Damn that guy is so full of $hit .......
He's doesn't have 1 million in assets much less hundreds of millions .
Posted by 6digits on :
Rufus wife likes everybody in New England. Ben Franklin. Andrew Jackson, George Washington, why?
Posted by 6digits on :
Sax fifth avenue, Neiman Marcus, Tiffany's
Posted by 6digits on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Damn that guy is so full of $hit .......
He's doesn't have 1 million in assets much less hundreds of millions .
There's always hundreds of millions of bucks sitting around, but never any cash for needs of the company or it's shareholders. The ******* could buy back our shares now if that's the case.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Get off the crap! It almost sounds like Tut!
The only thing we want to see is the decision from the SEC/Court/Default! If it's been answered we should be able to tell by now, right?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Get off the crap! It almost sounds like Tut!
The only thing we want to see is the decision from the SEC/Court/Default! If it's been answered we should be able to tell by now, right?
There seems to be different opinions on this matter....some say, it should have been filed electronically and would show up immediatly on Pacer, as others say that it could have been sent in by mail and would take a few days to show up on Pacer....I don't know the law, so I don't know which is true...I guess we wait and see! Posted by thesource on :
Any higher dollar attorney thats use to dealing with the SEC would have sent it electronically or hand delivered it if they were in the same city . Some one needs to ask that bozo who his attorney is . Without one , his response isn't worth the paper its written on .
Posted by new2stocks on :
from another board
Posted by: Our-Street In reply to: mastaflash who wrote msg# 147856 Date:4/25/2007 2:54:33 AM Post #of 147870
I always remember memorable accomplishments.. and really funny events. Stopping CSHD was one and Rufus was the other.. but somehow.. I don't think Rufus meant it the way it turned out... but I bet he remembers me in the way he hoped I would remember him..
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ya know, there are people that go on and on about how self righteous Rufus has been through all of this but people like Our-street and a couple of choice individuals on this board are no less self righteous themselves.
CSHD is a REAL easy target for bashing yet a few get a thrill from bashing it and Rufus. Id really like to know what type of people these are off the message boards....gloating losers or people that actually have a reason for making the comments they have been making.
Money is an interesting driver in ones personality it appears.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Ya know, there are people that go on and on about how self righteous Rufus has been through all of this but people like Our-street and a couple of choice individuals on this board are no less self righteous themselves.
CSHD is a REAL easy target for bashing yet a few get a thrill from bashing it and Rufus. Id really like to know what type of people these are off the message boards....gloating losers or people that actually have a reason for making the comments they have been making.
Money is an interesting driver in ones personality it appears.
You are so right...money makes some people do things they probably wouldn't normally do otherwise! GREED!
Posted by thesource on :
Its not that people enjoy bashing this stock . I personally bash it as a way to relieve tension for the money I've lost in this POS scam . Rufus is the person everyone needs to direct their anger to instead of praising him and kissing his azz. He's done nothing for anyone of us except deceive and con us out of our money . Its way past time for him to put up or shut the "F" up . If he's sitting on hundreds on millions of dollars , do a damn buy out for $2.00 a share . Fu<k the 6 for 1 deal , fu<k the billions of dollars in bonds or the other bull$hit JV's he claimed . Get the share holders off his back and take the company private .
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Hey Source,
Just buy a few thousand and make your money back.
If you don't do it, don't say I didn't tell you so when this thing trades again well over 10.00/share.
MMMMMMMM, Kool-Aid taste good! lol
Posted by thesource on :
Is that a joke ??? I sure hope so ........
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Joke only to buy a few thousand? Buy the crap out of it then. lol
Posted by new2stocks on :
I hear Pacer was updated! anyone?
Posted by new2stocks on :
ANSWER to Complaint by Rufus Paul Harris.Discovery ends on 1/22/2008.(vs) Please visit our website at http://www.gand.uscourts.gov to obtain Pretrial Instructions. thanks to kccman
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Buy the crap out of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rufus, aka Paul, is for real!
Posted by new2stocks on :
well I don't understand that link.....anyone with pacer?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Where all the bashers at?????????????!!!!!!!!
LOL
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Rufus has requested for the stock to be halted!!!!!!!
Lets burn all the crooks!!!!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
link to document posted on H S M
Posted by 4Given on :
i didn't want to be the one to post it... as it is a paid government document! Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Note to authorities:
Mine was only a screen shot, not actual government document...lol
Posted by milliam on :
Lots of talk about this only being for Rufus and not CSHD because there still isn't a layer involved.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
True, but it is a start atleast.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
So, now we wait for the Court to set something up I assume?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Lots of talk about this only being for Rufus and not CSHD because there still isn't a layer involved.
I wondered the same thing since that has been "the word" all along but on the first page it lists BOTH Conversion Solutions and Rufus Paul Harris. Lets see if this document flys or is shot down.........
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Lots of talk about this only being for Rufus and not CSHD because there still isn't a layer involved.
That was the first thing I looked for. The attorney representing CSHD. No attorney just Rufus's name.
IMO, the judge may accept this as an answer for Rufus(personally) but he still needs an attorney to answer for CSHD. So I can't see the judge accepting this as an answer for CSHD. Keep in mind that I am not an attorney so I could be completely wrong here.
Looks like more waiting. Hope it all works out.
GLTA Wally
Posted by new2stocks on :
originally posted by legalnoob: You are right, only an attorney can file on behalf of the corporation. The answer is on behalf of himself only. In addition, it should have been a motion to set aside the default. I fear a motion to strike the pleading will be coming from the SEC.
Posted by 10of13 on :
"Reads" to me that RPH is attempting to prolong the crap... sure "he" answered...not the Company AND? the judge could quite possibly remove or dismiss everything on what RPH has requested... But I doubt it...it may depend on if the Judge feels that the SEC has done anything to "prove" their allegations...if they haven't? the Judge may rule in favor of what RPH has requested...
And? this is something that RPH could have done...way back in November...however...maybe RPH was "giving" the SEC time to find crap...and better "allow" the Judge to side with RPH...
Guess we'll see...but my hopes are about as high now as they were last week...which is very low!
Posted by a surfer on :
is this all on pacer???
I will look myself.. I have to see it with my own eyes...LOL
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: "Reads" to me that RPH is attempting to prolong the crap... sure "he" answered...not the Company AND? the judge could quite possibly remove or dismiss everything on what RPH has requested... But I doubt it...it may depend on if the Judge feels that the SEC has done anything to "prove" their allegations...if they haven't? the Judge may rule in favor of what RPH has requested...
And? this is something that RPH could have done...way back in November...however...maybe RPH was "giving" the SEC time to find crap...and better "allow" the Judge to side with RPH...
Guess we'll see...but my hopes are about as high now as they were last week...which is very low!
I agree with you 10. This could have been done long ago. My limited understanding of this situation is that the SEC doesn't have to do anything. The ball has been in CSHD and Rufus' court since the default was entered. In looking at what Rufus' has done in the past, I'd bet he did a little Internet research and decided to do this on his own. I don't understand how much clearer the judge could have been when he told Rufus to get a lawyer.
Could be another stall tactic or maybe it gets things moving a bit. Only time will tell. Yet I'm not very optimistic. Considering that Rufus seems to be banning anyone who has legitimate questions and doubts from his website, it seems he is attempting to put his own spin on the situation. Maybe he wants to stay in the spotlight longer but IMO, this seems to be a feeble attempt. He will have the bragging right that he did answer as he said but it will have little to no effect on CSHD. IMHO. As I stated I'm not an attorney and could be completely wrong.
GLTA Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..Wally...seems he is "banning" anyone that has half a brain...he only wants the kool-aide drinking Zombies to post...unreal!
Posted by thesource on :
You guys keep forgetting that Dufus cannot represent the company himself . Its the term Pro Se and it only applies to representing yourself . It does not apply to a corp or inc. business .
To put it in simple terms : CSHD and Rufus is screwed . No attorney , no money and no "legal" answer to the default .
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Like sands of the hourglass...The soap opera continues. But it is interesting.
Posted by thesource on :
Not really , its more comical than anything .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Not really , its more comical than anything .
Like a friggin circus.......
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Looking at the response, several of the paragraphs do not admit or deny but instead say incorporate. Does this mean Rufus is telling the SEC to go to Conversion Solutions for the answers?
Posted by a surfer on :
Humble you out there???
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
I wonder if Rufus thought Eagletech, or one of the other companies battling the shadowdemons of the market, would have exposed some corruption in "the system" and possibly even dissolve the SEC as Bud seemed to be saying. Maybe he thought as time went by the SEC might no longer pose a problem to him.
Im not saying Rufus planned some sort of scam from the beginning but its quite obvious, to me, that this isnt some sort of slamdunk deal or it would have been taken care of months ago. Im not even saying he ever had malicious intent towards any shareholders but maybe he had a plan that has been, up to this point, much bigger than him.
Whether he is guilty or not guilty he certainly isnt innocent by ANY stretch of the imagination. Whatever his intentions were, he hurt some good people along the way, and for that I will do my best to remind him of it from time to time. If he was playing a game with the shorters early in this whole thing I can understand some of his odd behavior. But, there is simply no reason for games now and thats all I see anymore....games. "Fell asleep at my post" or whatever he said? NOT acceptable IMO. No sir, a CEO doesnt just sluff off in the middle of this type of ordeal and expect his shareholders to continue blindly following him.
You started this crap Paulfus.....F'in finish it!
Posted by thesource on :
Let me ask this question to everyone on the board :
"Would a CEO of a supposely multibillion dollar company sit on his azz for months , do nothing but make empty promises , dance around the fact the company is in default and not even hire a real lawyer or even a fluke lawyer to represent the company ? "
Think about all the things the company has missed out on by sitting in default . All the millions of dollars in profits . All the JV's . The moon base that could be half way finished by now . All of this down the toilet for a few hundred thousand dollars it would cost to hire a legal firm and kick the SEC and the shorters azz ........
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
So, thesource....you do believe there is a fight with the SEC? And its possible we have grounds to kick their azz?
Ok, first of all..."No" would be my response to your question. I dont see him sitting in any drivers seat here....he is along for a ride at best.
Anyway, back to my question. Do you believe there is "something there" that maybe he was trying to get from the beginning? I only ask because i obviously know your opinion of Rufus himself but i dont know how you feel about the situation some of us would have wound up in anyway. Meaning, I bought into FHAL and was about to lose my investment anyway based on the information we have been told along the way. FHAL was a total mess behind the scenes and Rufus either saved us (which in essence he did for those of us that sold at least some shares) or burned us.
Just curious what your take on ths "other stuff" is
Posted by Jenna on :
So, been working all day, come home check in, & I don't know what the heck to think.....
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...sooo that would translate to ..."nothing new"...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: So, been working all day, come home check in, & I don't know what the heck to think.....
Posted by Jenna on :
In my honest opinion, I don't think this is bad at all.....I've been thinking....Rufus answered the default for himself....not the company....well only the CEO can hire a lawyer & do that.....I think he is trying to get the court to officially recognize him as CEO, then he can get a lawyer and answer the default for the company....I honestly feel as though it is a step forward.....a baby step, but a step....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL...sooo that would translate to ..."nothing new"...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: So, been working all day, come home check in, & I don't know what the heck to think.....
With this stock? EXACTLY!!!
Posted by thesource on :
Jenna , in my conversation with Ms. Black last Friday , she didn't seem to have an issue with Dufus being the CEO . She did state that after this whole deal with J.A she wasn't sure exactly who was the CEO or if the bi-laws were followed in the process but didn't seem too concerned with that issue right now .
The main issue was the company not answering the default and there was no attorney to represent the company . She never mentioned anything about Dufus answering his default .
Posted by 10of13 on :
Yep Jenna...maybe we should take comfort in knowing that some things remain the same? No...that just doesn't work here... You're right...perhaps this is a baby step... and maybe RPH did need to clear himself first...
Guess we'll just have to pick up some more popcorn and continue to watch the show...
Posted by a surfer on :
popcorn and ludes.....
Posted by 6digits on :
;0
Posted by 6digits on :
Rufus is apparently maintaining the same office as previously.
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Posted by Igor R on :
Ok I remember the other day reading a post from Rufus, before I was banned, where someone asked him what the big thing on monday was going to be? And, he said "Ga; answer filed with clerk", or something along those lines. Could it be that he filed an answer for himself in GA, and will then proceed to file something for the company in like D.C.? Or am I just thinking screwy.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
More delays boys...rufus just staying out of jail...
Posted by T e x on :
Can't remember whether the default judgment(s) was(were) entered, but as I am learning from being named a defendant myself (one of 1,200 + in BCIT case), we defendants have a certain time within which to respond. Doubt this response qualifies...
Also, is true the corporation requires an attorney...but getting the court to recognize RPH as the CEO then-empowered to hire said attorney is doubtful... to date, the BOD has yet to name a replacement, as far as I know.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
As memory serves me, the court papers against CSHD and RPH were issued together, and now RPH is answering for both together. Didn't the judge say "The next time I see you, you'd better have a lawyer"? Maybe he didn't have to have a lawyer to file this response?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Let me throw this out there...
Rufus was the CEO, then was removed by the company. Terminated so to speak. Would it then fall on his replacements to answer the company's end of the default?
Of course that may have been in process, but when the new CEO fell ill and brough Rufus back in as CEO, technically as new CEO is Rufus now responsible for answering the defaul against the company if he in fact was terminated to begin with?
My head hurts and it's only 8:30am.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: More delays boys...rufus just staying out of jail...
Ding ding ding ...........
I think we have a winner . Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Staying out of jail for what crime? What are you accusing him of?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Let me throw this out there...
Rufus was the CEO, then was removed by the company. Terminated so to speak. Would it then fall on his replacements to answer the company's end of the default?
Of course that may have been in process, but when the new CEO fell ill and brough Rufus back in as CEO, technically as new CEO is Rufus now responsible for answering the defaul against the company if he in fact was terminated to begin with?
My head hurts and it's only 8:30am.
as I recall, the BOD must replace the departed CEO (JA), according to the bylaws--but the bylaws do not specify a deadline. Unless something's changed that I'm unaware of, FHAL/CSHD has no CEO...
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Staying out of jail for what crime? What are you accusing him of?
(1)Security fraud "filing known fraudulent financial docs with the SEC" .......
(2)Pump and dump through alternative means of selling shares . (I.E. through his trust , friends and family members)
(3)Filing bogus contracts and other filings through the GA. courts reguarding the Ven. bonds (but that will be a totally different case if proceeded with by the FBI).
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Staying out of jail for what crime? What are you accusing him of?
(1)Security fraud "filing known fraudulent financial docs with the SEC" .......
(2)Pump and dump through alternative means of selling shares . (I.E. through his trust , friends and family members)
(3)Filing bogus contracts and other filings through the GA. courts reguarding the Ven. bonds (but that will be a totally different case if proceeded with by the FBI).
(1) Charge brought up by the SEC that will eventually be proven false. If the SEC had good evidence on this accusation, the judge would of closed this case long ago - chalking up a victory for the SEC. (2) That is just ridiculous. If that is the case why is he even bothering with the case and still maintaining communication to his investors/shareholders? (i.e answering the default as of 4-24-2007) He and his family/friends would never be heard from again, let alone still live in this country. (3) Same as #1
Posted by milliam on :
Some interesting posts from RPH on his board:
Yesterday at 12:13pm, padutch40 wrote: Yesterday at 11:36am, mastaflash wrote:Anybody following BCIT? CEO is suing all shareholders (declatory judgement for you legal types ) in order to acquire trading records. I think the idea is to show the judge that there are more shares out there than allowed and to force a buy in, and to sniff out illegal share holders. Wonder if that would work here. I'm following with great interest......
I have one even better!!! GODSPEED
Yesterday at 12:44pm, taxback04 wrote:So CSHD is the Democratic Haliburton... great! Well at least I hold shares.
Did you know that we made an offer to buy KBR from Haliburton? Oh yeah, I have already posted that GODSPEED
Today at 1:31am, eyegeddeeven wrote: Today at 1:30am, Rufus Paul Harris wrote: More important; How many filings are to follow? And what will be in them? GODSPEED
Interesting... do you think the SEC will let you file now? or do we have to wait and see what the judge says....
SEC has nothing to do with what I file in the Federal Court, As I have always stated “We are in Federal Court Now” GODSPEED
Morning mr harris, can you tell us when more filings will be made>
I have 14 Subpoenas ready!! GODSPEED
Today at 2:32am, stockprophet wrote:Rufus, just one answer for us, we give day and night waiting since mid '06..... Is this going to be a long drawn out legal battle we need to brace ourselves for, or does the original plan you mentioned on SPR of "company merges and continues business and I stay behind to fight the legal battle". Just a hint for this will go a long way sir.
Someone was listening I'll stay in court and deal with this. I am not going to go into what exactly is in store for the shareholders though GODSPEED
Today at 2:45am, makiniraq wrote: Hey Paul, I didn't know you were still here. Could you reply to my post about not getting my cert's applied for until last night. Evidently I had some unsettled shares so it was their excuse for me not to get my cert's. They said they would apply for them last night. TIA! maK in Iraq
It will be OK for all shareholders, HCC will move out of the process quicker though The rest will go through a slower process but ALL will be OK in the long run, except shorty GODSPEED
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Didn't RPH at one time say that he had bought up what was the equivilent of all the outstanding shares? Is that why he wants everyone to get their certs so he can proove the NSS?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Godspeed!
Posted by thesource on :
stocktrader2006 - its obvious that you are still swinging from RPH's vine . Maybe you should ante up the cash to provide a lawyer for the company and Dufus .
The judge was not going to close the case . The judge only grants or does not grant certain things in a law suit . You guys keep thinking this is a criminal case and its not . Its a civil case .
Dufus's day to stand trial in a criminal case will come sooner or later . When it does , then he can represent himself Pro Se or get a court appointed lawyer .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Didn't RPH at one time say that he had bought up what was the equivilent of all the outstanding shares? Is that why he wants everyone to get their certs so he can proove the NSS?
RPH has said alot of things , most of which are total bull$hit .
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Okay source, Let's agree to disagree.
BTW, Meet me in the DANS thread.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Okay source, Let's agree to disagree.
BTW, Meet me in the DANS thread.
Thats cool ,
I'm not trying to piss in your cheerios .......
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Staying out of jail for what crime? What are you accusing him of?
(1)Security fraud "filing known fraudulent financial docs with the SEC" .......
(2)Pump and dump through alternative means of selling shares . (I.E. through his trust , friends and family members)
(3)Filing bogus contracts and other filings through the GA. courts reguarding the Ven. bonds (but that will be a totally different case if proceeded with by the FBI).
I dont believe for one second that Rufus orchestrated a Pump and Dump.....not through his trust, friends or family members. That could have been too easy to track....unless the people doing so are totally inept.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Staying out of jail for what crime? What are you accusing him of?
(1)Security fraud "filing known fraudulent financial docs with the SEC" .......
(2)Pump and dump through alternative means of selling shares . (I.E. through his trust , friends and family members)
(3)Filing bogus contracts and other filings through the GA. courts reguarding the Ven. bonds (but that will be a totally different case if proceeded with by the FBI).
I dont believe for one second that Rufus orchestrated a Pump and Dump.....not through his trust, friends or family members. That could have been too easy to track....unless the people doing so are totally inept.
Thats not true . A trust would be the perfect way to sell shares . Alot of trust are setup for the specific purpose to commit fraud or launder money . Thats why Nevada trust are so popular .
Posted by TimW on :
Did they grant him on the halt?
1 hour into the day and its 0 Volume.
Posted by new2stocks on :
there's volume....7,000!
Posted by TimW on :
weeeee theres something.. nevermind Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Ooooh 7,000 WOW!
Godspeed.
Posted by milliam on :
Post from Griff on the other board:
Today at 8:43am, griff wrote: He has always had an attorney. Today at 8:57am, someextradough wrote: griff, I'm not saying you're wrong, but how do you know that or what leads you to believe that? TIA
Griff again: He has an attorney sponsered by the gov. so he doesn't spend hundreds of thousands of shareholders money. He is always looking out for us.
How do I know? I was told
Posted by 6digits on :
Ludicrous speed Rufus ludicrous speed.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
I sorta feel sorry for Griff because i think he is just the most recent CSHD "mouthpiece". Im sure he believes in everything he writes about but so did several others along the way. It doesnt bother me that he posts what he considers fact but he is starting to carry a bit of an arrogant attitude IMO which could potentially blow up in his face later. We dont need anymore clowns....he should chill out a bit. But hey, its his own decision to make I guess.
Posted by thesource on :
Griff is a moron . The government does not provide an attorney for civil cases like this whether its for a company or a personal suit .
The term Pro Bono refers to court appointed attorneys in criminal cases where the defendant cannot afford their own legal counsel .
Posted by a surfer on :
maybe he can't afford his own legal counsel.....
Posted by milliam on :
Interesting Rufus post:
Today at 10:42am, poopy wrote:By the way Mr. Harris, a friend and I are making a bet where most of the subpoenas are delivered - I'm betting Texas, he's betting Atlanta - guess we'll have to see what turns out...
No, evenly between Atlanta, DC and Europe GODSPEED
Posted by Igor R on :
Can anyone ask when they are being delivered? And did rufus comment on whether or not the filing was for himself or for both him and the company?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: maybe he can't afford his own legal counsel.....
That doesn't matter in a civil case . You only get free counsel in a criminal case and even then , if you lose , you have to pay it back as part of your sentence .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Interesting Rufus post:
Today at 10:42am, poopy wrote:By the way Mr. Harris, a friend and I are making a bet where most of the subpoenas are delivered - I'm betting Texas, he's betting Atlanta - guess we'll have to see what turns out...
No, evenly between Atlanta, DC and Europe GODSPEED
Wooo hooo maybe he's going to send me one for bashing my hillbilly azz on a public thread !!!
I'll fly to GA. to bash him person . It would be fun !!! Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Interesting Rufus post:
Today at 10:42am, poopy wrote:By the way Mr. Harris, a friend and I are making a bet where most of the subpoenas are delivered - I'm betting Texas, he's betting Atlanta - guess we'll have to see what turns out...
No, evenly between Atlanta, DC and Europe GODSPEED
I thought they moved to corporate office to the Sea of Tranquility on the Moon! Send the subpoenas there, maybe that's why it's taking 6 months to answer the default...
Yep, I've lost it.
Godspeed
Posted by mo-rydr on :
I know this was coverd way back a long time ago, but was it discovered whether or not that RPH is related to former Gov. Joe Frank Harris?
Also if this is so, does RPH feel that given a jury trial this gives him the sympathy of the jury?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Interesting Rufus post:
Today at 10:42am, poopy wrote:By the way Mr. Harris, a friend and I are making a bet where most of the subpoenas are delivered - I'm betting Texas, he's betting Atlanta - guess we'll have to see what turns out...
No, evenly between Atlanta, DC and Europe GODSPEED
Wooo hooo maybe he's going to send me one for bashing my hillbilly azz on a public thread !!!
I'll fly to GA. to bash him person . It would be fun !!!
You are quite the violent person eh?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Also if this is so, does RPH feel that given a jury trial this gives him the sympathy of the jury?
If he does , he's sadly mistaken . In a case like this (civil case where CSHD is the defendant and not the plantiff) , the court will instruct the jury not play good guy / bad guy but to simply grant the SEC their request or deny it and drop the case . In no way can the jury award Rufus or CSHD anything . That would require a seperate counter law suit against the SEC for damages and would be a totally seperate case .
Anyone that thinks this law suit benefits CSHD in any way is flat wrong . Its a matter of making the default judgement permanent or dropped . If and its a huge "IF" the SEC lost or dropped the case , CSHD will still have to have MM's sign on to get it trading normal again .
But back to reality , Rufus still needs a lawyer to represent the company before any of this can even happen . Thats the law and even Dufus can't get around that .
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: I know this was coverd way back a long time ago, but was it discovered whether or not that RPH is related to former Gov. Joe Frank Harris?
Also if this is so, does RPH feel that given a jury trial this gives him the sympathy of the jury?
Don't know about sympathy but the SEC being the prosecution will now have to PROVE what they have been alleging and convince a jury as well. If they could have done that to begin with don't you think they would have?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
May need a new thread soon...This one's getting big.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: I know this was coverd way back a long time ago, but was it discovered whether or not that RPH is related to former Gov. Joe Frank Harris?
Also if this is so, does RPH feel that given a jury trial this gives him the sympathy of the jury?
Don't know about sympathy but the SEC being the prosecution will now have to PROVE what they have been alleging and convince a jury as well. If they could have done that to begin with don't you think they would have?
They didn't need to . CSHD failed to respond to the claims thus the term "DEFAULT" judgement . If CSHD showed up with an attorney and won or lost , it would have been called a "SUMMARY" judgement.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
It is interesting that all on Rufus' board won't comment on this:
Today at 3:36pm, Dingleberry wrote:
I'm sticking my neck out on this, but it is a concern for me.
If we merge with another company, we being the acquired, and we get the acquiries stock, more than likely it will be restricted for 1-2 years.
Any thoughts?
Posted by thesource on :
I can't see any other "legit" company touching this with a 10 ft pole . It would be a death sentence for them right off the bat .
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
It's a possibility.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: It's a possibility.
I guess but I think they have a better chance building that moon base . Who knows , maybe Dufus can polish up his conning skills and sucker someone into it .
$1000.00 says if they do a merger its either
(1) An overseas company with no back ground like ECFL tried to pull
or
(2) Some stupid business he made up
Posted by TimW on :
For all i care he can merge with a hotdog stand as long as that raises the PPS thats all that matters.
:-D
Posted by BULListic on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: May need a new thread soon...This one's getting big.
I agree....perhaps the new thread should be "CSHD....why did I think I'd ever get my 6:1?"
249 days and counting...that's how many days they have to figure this out before I sell at year-end and take the tax loss.
Posted by Jenna on :
I got a title for the new thread....
CSHD: Just like a soap opera- you miss watching it for a year, come back, & they will still be at the same party!
OK- Ok- that is toooooo long!
Posted by cool AZ on :
Hello one and all ... just keeping an eye out periodically ... enough to keep up with the general outlook. I, to my fault thus far, have not sold my shares and don't plan to now unless there is reason to do so.
I have learned alot in the last year since I started trading ... many say that is what it takes to get the "feel" for it - find your niche - see the light, etc. I have to say that, if all progressed with CSHD as we thought it would, I probably wouldn't have learned as much as I have due to the fact that I've had to scramble to move on in "this" crazy world of trading!
Beyond my personal adventures, I look at this whole scenario today, without all the hype, emotions, and kool-aide. I have to wonder at what is going on behind the scenes here. Why is anything happening, if in fact we are dead in the water. I'm sure Rufus could cover his butt if he allowed this whole fiasco to be broomed aside and all would quietly just go away - that is what I thought would happen if we ever got to this point. But no! ... things still happening and that being the case, I will stay the course here and move on with my other trading scenarios ... always keeping an eye on this thread. Peace to all and the "best of the best" to you all! Still hope we all end up in Vegas!
Posted by PCola77 on :
What about "CSHD: Nope, nothing's changed..."
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I got a title for the new thread....
CSHD: Just like a soap opera- you miss watching it for a year, come back, & they will still be at the same party!
OK- Ok- that is toooooo long!
Posted by Jenna on :
"CSHD- 2014 same chit different day, I mean decade...."
J/K
Posted by 10of13 on :
Here's some from earlier in the thread...and here's a few more: CSHD and the BS, I mean, beat goes on! CSHD...got popcorn? CSHD...please stop the bleeding! CSHD...I learned my lesson! CSHD...The wizard of OZ CSHD...CHEEZE ITS...be done already! CSHD...Dufus do you know what a lawyer is? CSHD...Billions in bonds and no lawyer?!
I like this from Cassity when he started the thread: CSHD..."I just can't believe I got cond by a REDNECK!!"
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: CSHD...WTF! Would have summed it up perfectly!
So many fitting titles to choose from:
CSHD...why ya gotta do me like that? CSHD...I don't know how to hate you! CSHD...I hope you burn in HELL! LOL
Posted by thesource on :
Today at 4:34pm, searchoftruth wrote:Is anyone else concerned about Mr. Harris not following the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP)? I spoke with a corporate attorney that I work with and he confirmed what LegalNoob was referencing yesterday. It seems highly likely that the SEC will move to strike his response since the “default” has not been answered or set aside. .
Given the lack of legal representation exhibited by his response, not following FRCP and other fiduciary missteps appear to have left us exposed. If the SEC, based on the aforementioned actions, asks the Judge to rule on the default, we will be in receivership. After CSHD goes into receivership, RPH will no longer be the CEO. Even with the best intentions, his incompetence will send us to the dust and ashes.
I am a LONG holder of this stock and will continue to be; however, I refuse to do so with blind faith. Mr. Harris, you owe your shareholders legal representation – it is your fiduciary responsibility to do so. You have proven unable to manage the legal matters at hand. You sparred with a gentlemen on SPR claiming that you did not have to appear before the Judge and that gentleman was right and your were wrong. You went on SPR days before we moved to “gray sheets” saying that it would not happen and it did. A few days prior to the “default” entry, you said on SPR, “We have our ducks lined up”. In your last appearance on SPR, you said that you did not need legal counsel because you were not going to respond to the default; yet you did respond this week. You submitted your response prior to addressing the default, which clearly is outside the FRCP.
You are arguably brilliant with bonds and International finance. I have listened to you on SPR in awe of the depth and breath of your knowledge in that area. However, when it comes to these particular legal matters you have proven that you need help. Please continue to do right by your shareholders and retain legal counsel.
Topic: Thursday, April 26th (Read 20,343 times) Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Sir I wonder why you only post when something very important hits the board!
So your friend told you that filing the answer was a violation of federal court procedures, Hmmmm
Then the SEC would file a motion to set aside and all is lost, Hmmmmmm
Wonder if the granting of a Default with lack of service on a Defendant is legal by FEDERAL COURT PROCEDURES
Do you work for the SEC?
GODSPEED
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This response from Rufus show how uneducated he really is to the legal system . He truely believe that he's some how got the SEC by the nuts and will win . He thinks that since the SEC filed a suit and got a default judgement against the company without CSHD having legal representation that they violated Federal law . What a f'in moron . It happens every single day of the week . How do you think the DEA or FBI seizes property and money from people ? How do you think the local cities and counties take properties with back taxes due ? How do you think that companies filed liens against people all the time . If it were just as easy as not showing up to the suit and getting off the hook , no one would show up or claim they could afford an attorney. This dip$hit needs to do some DD himself on the civil legal system . Posted by T e x on :
"lack of service," LOL...
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: "lack of service," LOL...
Yeah wasn't his excuse that his attorney was out of the country ? I'm telling you , this bozo has convinced him self he's going to win . The bad thing is , I think he also convinced him self the bonds were real as well . I simply cannot see anyone with half a brain giving this fool 5 billion of anything much less dollars and just for $hits and grins , lets say they did . After all this time the company has been in default and all the money they (Ven. gov) have lost from this , I would imagine ol' Dufus would be catfish food at the bottom of the Chatahoochie river by now .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Not long ago I was watching a TV show, on Discovery channel or something. A group of divers, looked like normal guys who loved underwater "life". They were trying to create coral reefs by sinking various objects into the water. The episode I was watching they were sinking a quite large passenger airplane. A ton of work went into preparing the plane to be sunk, in order to remove any dangers so that the shell could become home for a lot of various sea creatures.
Once the plane was finished it had to be hauled to some docks by truck, ththe truck was then loaded onto a ferry and floated out to some other piece of land very near where it would be lowered and then the truck drove the plane off the ferry. A HUGE crane was then brought onboard (cant recall the rental cost per day but it was huge) to lift the plane from the truck and then lower it on platforms which it would be attached to so the airplane shell wouldnt sit on the bottom.
Annnnnnyway, knowing the logistics and equipment involved im thinking that this little "divers project" cost someone a pretty penny. Looking at the divers id say they didnt front the cash. But, they had a good idea to build homes for sea creatures while they were also building a site where they could enjoy themselves diving. They put their hearts and souls into it and someone gave them a buttload of cash to pull it off.
Can I compare a logistical project like I mentioned above to the billions Paulfus supposedly has available? Maybe not....but do i believe "someone" might give a buttload of money to someone who has their heart and soul into a project that would be somehow beneficial for all involved?....yup, I sure do.
Posted by thesource on :
Maybe someone but I doubt that someone is Hugo Chavez ..........
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Not long ago I was watching a TV show, on Discovery channel or something. A group of divers, looked like normal guys who loved underwater "life". They were trying to create coral reefs by sinking various objects into the water. The episode I was watching they were sinking a quite large passenger airplane. A ton of work went into preparing the plane to be sunk, in order to remove any dangers so that the shell could become home for a lot of various sea creatures.
Once the plane was finished it had to be hauled to some docks by truck, ththe truck was then loaded onto a ferry and floated out to some other piece of land very near where it would be lowered and then the truck drove the plane off the ferry. A HUGE crane was then brought onboard (cant recall the rental cost per day but it was huge) to lift the plane from the truck and then lower it on platforms which it would be attached to so the airplane shell wouldnt sit on the bottom.
Annnnnnyway, knowing the logistics and equipment involved im thinking that this little "divers project" cost someone a pretty penny. Looking at the divers id say they didnt front the cash. But, they had a good idea to build homes for sea creatures while they were also building a site where they could enjoy themselves diving. They put their hearts and souls into it and someone gave them a buttload of cash to pull it off.
Can I compare a logistical project like I mentioned above to the billions Paulfus supposedly has available? Maybe not....but do i believe "someone" might give a buttload of money to someone who has their heart and soul into a project that would be somehow beneficial for all involved?....yup, I sure do.
If that's the same show I'm thinking of, lots of people have posted about enjoying that episode of Discovery...
On the other hand, to "compare" these scenarios, we should also be willing to "contrast," eh?
Posted by dinner42 on :
code: alphaX-1 exibit
flag w34 secfile/forward/copy/gov
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by dinner42: code: alphaX-1 exibit
flag w34 secfile/forward/copy/gov
??????????????????????????????
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Nothing new yet?
Posted by milliam on :
Post from Rufus:
Yesterday at 4:59pm, bbbmine wrote: I know how you feel, MsJag!! I'm playing catch-up so this may have already been asked and answered, but HAVE THE SUBPOENAS BEEN SERVED ALREADY?
Let’s Just say that “Everything is in the Mail” When I stated that “You will remember my name for the Rest of your life” I meant it Before I am done with the short selling crooked Busters we will lose most of this countries MM by fleeing the country. This post is to the Few and Crooked, the Market Makers I have enough foreign support to crush you, my dancing shoes are on, I am all dressed up and our song is playing. GODSPEED
Posted by milliam on :
And another...
Yesterday at 5:20pm, someextradough wrote: Yesterday at 5:09pm, phatspender wrote: Mr. Harris, with all due respect, I do not see how information reponsive to the above purported subpoena (s) would be relevant to the present and only pending case involving CSHD.
With all due respect to Rufus, that is my thought as well. Quite simply, it wouldn't. Also, while lack of service can be a defense, it has to be raised in a properly filed answer. As I and a few others noted yesterday, it was not properly filed for a couple of reasons. The first necessary step would have been to file a motion to set aside the default (F.R.C.P. 60(B)). The second necessary step would have been to seek leave of court to file the answer. The third necessary step (if steps 1 & 2 granted) would have been to have an attorney file the answer on the company's behalf. JMOs - not to be taken as legal or investment advice.
As I have stated in the Past I will not allow the corporation to be dragged into a false battle, the filing by the SEC was about one of the largest “PUMP and DUMPs” ever. Not a Fact; So why not let them correct their answer By FEDERAL LAW if you can not prove your claim then; what is required? I agree with some of their filing; there has been 100’s of millions of dollars of stock sold to innocent shareholders and I for One want to know WHO DID IT? Why spend 100’s of thousands of dollars of the corporations to fight something I agree with? Either they show us WHO DID IT or we will HELP them get the answer, in Federal Court or somewhere else! Maybe, just Maybe; Somewhere else is what we want or it would be the best place to expose all involved!! GODSPEED
Posted by T e x on :
artful dodger talk...
'cept not so artful.
Posted by thesource on :
It sure sounds good to the people who want to hear it though ......
Posted by thesource on :
Looks like CSHD might go sub penny today .......
Posted by PCola77 on :
Finally time to say goodbye? I kinda hope so...
Posted by thesource on :
I'm showing a trade at .01 for 1400 shares . Someone needs to just shoot this thing and take it out of its misery . Atleast you guys can move on to other trades and not have to deal with the crap .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I'm showing a trade at .01 for 1400 shares . Someone needs to just shoot this thing and take it out of its misery . Atleast you guys can move on to other trades and not have to deal with the crap .
Really? So CSHD is the only stock with "crap"? That statement itself is crap. I have no interest in anymore crap to be honest, its quite obvious that regardless of Rufus or CSHD there is a ton of illegal activity going on in this business. Companies like Overstock.com, Eagletech and yes CSHD will either prove something or die trying but if these companies continue to lose due to market manipulation and whatever other games that are happening behind the scenes I have NO interest in trading ANY of this crap.
People like you appear to WANT it sunk so people will move on and dump money into your other crap company so you can sell your crap shares and leave them holding their own crap bag. Constant negative posts about a stock you supposedly own is disgusting and it gets even worse when you take shots at the people who actually do own it.
I bought FHAL as a gamble, I stayed with CSHD as a bigger gamble. I wont be gambling with pennies on a regular basis until I feel comfortable that things are put into place to protect the little guys for once. Im simply living my normal life but at the same time im just waiting to see if anything ever comes out of this. The only "crap" im forced to deal with is nonsense comments from you suggesting someone physically harm Rufus because you invested poorly. Lick your wounds, tuck tail and scamper off or something.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I'm showing a trade at .01 for 1400 shares . Someone needs to just shoot this thing and take it out of its misery . Atleast you guys can move on to other trades and not have to deal with the crap .
Of all the people that post here, you seem to be the one who can't move on. Though I criticize Rufus for his handling of the situation, I don't find it neccessary to attack the mental capacity of others who have taken a position in CSHD and are holding like the rest of us because at this point not enough money can be salvaged.
It's very arrogant of you to state that people who post here are not trading others stocks and need closure before they can move on. I doubt very much that Anyone here has CSHD as their only position in the market.
Deabating the actions and potential outcomes here does not mean that anyone is foolish, mentality deficient or stuck in the fantasy that this stock will make them a millionaire. It's very simple we bought a ticket for the ride and want to stay on until the finish. It may turn into a lifetime ride but nonetheless we did pay for it.
You have the right to vent but not the right to determine what is best for any f those who have put their own money into this stock. Please show some consideration for others.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Funny, we were all the best of friends a year now it's come to a family feud, like fighting over the will of a not yet dead relative.
Posted by thesource on :
The difference between me and you two (Wallymac and MrC.) is I sold my crap for .12 a share . You'll be lucky to get .01 next week and probably .001 by the time this is over and done with .
You guys obviously would rather burry heads in the dirt than do some DD of your own of the Civil code of procedure and corp. law . Keep listening to Rufus and see where it gets you . I personally could not care if you invest money else where or if you stick up your azz . I have no agenda other than to try and make some money . CSHD is done ..... move on and try to make it up somewhere else . If you don't like the penny stocks , take what little bit of money you have left and buy savings bonds or open a savings account .
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The difference between me and you two (Wallymac and MrC.) is I sold my crap for .12 a share . You'll be lucky to get .01 next week and probably .001 by the time this is over and done with .
You guys obviously would rather burry heads in the dirt than do some DD of your own of the Civil code of procedure and corp. law . Keep listening to Rufus and see where it gets you . I personally could not care if you invest money else where or if you stick up your azz . I have no agenda other than to try and make some money . CSHD is done ..... move on and try to make it up somewhere else . If you don't like the penny stocks , take what little bit of money you have left and buy savings bonds or open a savings account .
Please explain how attacking other people helps you move on, since you have already sold and make money?
You say you have sold and moved on yet you post more here than most other people. Reading comprehension is a wonderful thing. Reading my and Mr. C's posts and comprehending them would tell anyone that we don't support Rufus nor did either of us feel that his response was correct or will be accepted by the court.
GLTA Wally
Posted by thesource on :
I'm not attacking anyone other than Rufus on this . You guys are the ones getting your panties in a wad about it . I personally think its freaking ridiculous that anyone would believe a damn thing out of his mouth .
Posted by Jenna on :
Stop fighting.....show love to one another....there are people in this world that are dying....did you guys see American Idol the other night? How sad....makes you humble...
Posted by thesource on :
Nope , I've only seen that show maybe once or twice when it first came out but on a side note Carrie Underwood is fine as hell !!!
Posted by thesource on :
And for record , everyone is this world is dying . Some are just doing it at a faster rate than others Posted by Igor R on :
Source, haven't you been saying its going subpenny for months now? Im not supporting rufus or cshd, but still, you're getting pretty annoying, especially considering the fact you sold out already.
Posted by ww2player on :
copy of a rufus post.
These answers will not last longs!!!!
we have cash as well as assets.
Not according to the SEC
we have a big connection in Washington.
we have bonds 4.7 billion dollars worth stated 3 time by our CEO to the government guys, and sworn to in the answer to the default.
Given to us by Government employees
Almost everything that gets posted about NSS and assets gets deleted.
Things that make you go HMMMMMMMM
At this point, Rufus has shown himself to be smarter than the bashers.
I would say on the winning side
Who is Rufus Paul Harris?
A little Georgia Redneck
What has he done for the last 10 years?
That would take weeks to explain it all
Who are these European friends and how did the Georgian make contact with them?
Through the world bond market
How did he become CEO of CSHD BBAN CVSU?
BBAN was to help a friend of a friend, CVSU was purchased from EDGARIZED.COM
How did he get to know the hight profile people he knows?
Most through the world bond market
What is his relationship to the US Treasury?
The only dealings I have had with the US Treasury was when I was given a Mandate from the Vatican to arrange a 500 Billion USD Buy of USA Treasuries
Posted by thesource on :
I'll leave you guys alone . I won't post anything on this board again until more crap uh I mean filings are posted by CSHD and Dufus ......
Keep them heads burried deep and you'll be just fine .
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: And for record , everyone is this world is dying . Some are just doing it at a faster rate than others
Bend over...you deserve a spank...on second thought your the type that would like that maybe I'll just put soap in your mouth!
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus is revealing some pretty HUGE things...if what he is saying comes to fruition....we really will be GOLDEN...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus is revealing some pretty HUGE things...if what he is saying comes to fruition....we really will be GOLDEN...
Hi Jenna!!! Hope all is well with you!!
Posted by Igor R on :
Can you post them? Im still banned over there, can't read.
Posted by PCola77 on :
You are one crazy chick...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus is revealing some pretty HUGE things...if what he is saying comes to fruition....we really will be GOLDEN...
Posted by 10of13 on :
PC...be nice or you may just get another cyber kick! Posted by PCola77 on :
That was me being nice. You should hear what I really wanted to say
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: PC...be nice or you may just get another cyber kick!
Posted by tompom on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: You are one crazy chick...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus is revealing some pretty HUGE things...if what he is saying comes to fruition....we really will be GOLDEN...
LOL
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus is revealing some pretty HUGE things...if what he is saying comes to fruition....we really will be GOLDEN...
Jenna...I am not trying to be harsh, but realistic here with you.
But do you think a company supposedly worth billions would have a CEO who would not answer a default and does not have an attorney to fight for the company. Face it, Rufus is a scammer, and that we got ployed.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus is revealing some pretty HUGE things...if what he is saying comes to fruition....we really will be GOLDEN...
Hi Jenna!!! Hope all is well with you!!
Hey Surf!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus is revealing some pretty HUGE things...if what he is saying comes to fruition....we really will be GOLDEN...
Jenna...I am not trying to be harsh, but realistic here with you.
But do you think a company supposedly worth billions would have a CEO who would not answer a default and does not have an attorney to fight for the company. Face it, Rufus is a scammer, and that we got ployed.
He just answered the default on the 24th.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Can you post them? Im still banned over there, can't read.
Igor - I'll be back a little later & post them for you....
something about the Vatican & Capital Hill
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus is revealing some pretty HUGE things...if what he is saying comes to fruition....we really will be GOLDEN...
Jenna...I am not trying to be harsh, but realistic here with you.
But do you think a company supposedly worth billions would have a CEO who would not answer a default and does not have an attorney to fight for the company. Face it, Rufus is a scammer, and that we got ployed.
He just answered the default on the 24th.
no, Jenna, don't think so...apparently he sent a *response,* but I just don't think he had that long to "answer the default." For instance, in the lawsuit I'm in--naming me and 1,200+ others as defendants in a civil suit--we have only 20 days to answer... I'm pretty sure some new motion would have to be correctly filed to "re-open" the default. Looks as though he got his template for a response from the 'Net, once again not bothering to consult an attorney...
Posted by Jenna on :
OK- Tex....I know that he sent something...I guess it was a response....but it more than we've seen in a while, at least it is an effort...
So Tex, it sounds like you owned BCIT... Posted by Jenna on :
Here is a post from Rufus....his answers are in bold....
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Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 756 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 768 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, April 27th « Reply #474 on Today at 2:12pm »
Today at 1:51pm, h2omd0 wrote: Today at 1:37pm, stockprophet wrote:
hmmm, good question, H2oMD remind me why are we excited today??
Several reasons. we have cash as well as assets. we have a big connection in Washington. we have bonds 4.7 billion dollars worth stated 3 time by our CEO to the government guys, and sworn to in the answer to the default. Almost everything that gets posted about NSS and assets gets deleted. At this point, Rufus has shown himself to be smarter than the bashers. Who is Rufus Paul Harris? What has he done for the last 10 years? Who are these European friends and how did the Georgian make contact with them? How did he become CEO of CSHD BBAN CVSU? How did he get to know the hight profile people he knows? What is his relationship to the US Treasury?
I think We will all find out sooon I do not have the answers to these questions. The questions alone make me excited.
These answers will not last longs!!!!
we have cash as well as assets.
Not according to the SEC
we have a big connection in Washington.
we have bonds 4.7 billion dollars worth stated 3 time by our CEO to the government guys, and sworn to in the answer to the default.
Given to us by Government employees
Almost everything that gets posted about NSS and assets gets deleted.
Things that make you go HMMMMMMMM
At this point, Rufus has shown himself to be smarter than the bashers.
I would say on the winning side
Who is Rufus Paul Harris?
A little Georgia Redneck
What has he done for the last 10 years?
That would take weeks to explain it all
Who are these European friends and how did the Georgian make contact with them?
Through the world bond market
How did he become CEO of CSHD BBAN CVSU?
BBAN was to help a friend of a friend, CVSU was purchased from EDGARIZED.COM
How did he get to know the hight profile people he knows?
Most through the world bond market
What is his relationship to the US Treasury?
The only dealings I have had with the US Treasury was when I was given a Mandate from the Vatican to arrange a 500 Billion USD Buy of USA Treasuries Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Today at 2:28pm, taxback04 wrote:Did Paul just say "Mandate from the Vatican"? Sorry I was in the middle of reading something and fell out of my chair.
I was in on a 500 Billion dollar deal once... and then I woke up! HAHA!!!
Yes Sir I did, The most recent Mandate that I received was from Congress
GODSPEED Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Today at 2:48pm, h2omd0 wrote:Will we know what congressmen and women are giving you the mandate?
Sir, it was voted by the entire Hill
GODSPEED Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: will that be sometime this year?
Don't know...so far no timelines....
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: OK- Tex....I know that he sent something...I guess it was a response....but it more than we've seen in a while, at least it is an effort...
So Tex, it sounds like you owned BCIT...
ohhhh...effort, schmeffort, Jenna...lol, it's like a teenager telling you, "uhMIGAWD, the cops cain't do THAT!"
BCIT?
ya, I OWN 'EM...
for real, between that and another play, I suddenly got more stock-related snailmail than I ever woulda dreamed... Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Today at 2:51pm, NOLA-Proud to Swim Home wrote: Today at 2:50pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Sir, it was voted by the entire Hill
GODSPEED
I know I know you can't tell us but I have to ask anyway, can you tell us what you were mandated to do!?!?
The mandate was originally passed to pump 4 trillion into the USA commodities market, to be more precise the Chicago Merk; My original plan was to reform the railroads and steel market, it also included a deal with Canada for their massive titanium deposit. My plan was to take the titanium ore and create a new steal product. The details are massive and would take a lot of typing to explain, but that is the just of it. GODSPEED Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Today at 3:20pm, taxback04 wrote:OK if I am to get this straight... some crooks have weasled their way into your source of funds and are periodically appropiating said funds for their own special projects. This appropiation is causing friction with your filings becuase it calls into question the actual ownership of the funds themselves.
More like every time we moved with the foreign investments some unknown untouchable entity stole them. So that is why we placed some of them into a USA Public corporation, for the WORLD TO SEE
I want to make one request, every believer say a prayer because after days like today people disappear GODSPEED Posted by Jenna on :
I'm sorry guys if this is too much....should I keep going? There is more.....
Posted by Igor R on :
Searched the library of congress, couldn't find anything involving rufus or any kind of mandate.
Yea keep going...
Posted by thesource on :
I'm sorry guys , I know I said I'd shut up but does anyone find it amazing that some crooks can find these bonds and steal money off of them but the SEC can't even verify them ???
Just a thought .......
Posted by T e x on :
lol...
quote:. . . and create a new steal product.
emphasis mine, added amongst the tears...this guy should have a Wayne's World-type show...
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Today at 3:28pm, taxback04 wrote:How about a scan of some simple Vatican Seal Doument or Congressional Document with your name and a date on it... You can black out the rest of the text. Just little shreds of proof will be sufficient. I believe don't get me wrong but I am starting to question my own sanity.
All will get to see the documents in court.
And Friend I don’t really care who believes it, the old saying comes into play, time will tell all.
GODSPEED Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well that is the beauty of the plan; Wall Street never saw it coming
They just went on with business as usual
Before anyone realized what had happened it was too late
Game Over, caught with their paints down, millions upon millions of illegal shares sold
GODSPEED Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I'm sorry guys if this is too much....should I keep going? There is more.....
No prob, I'm sure Mag can come up with sort of graphic for "RUFUSPAM." Posted by Jenna on :
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Ed Ingle has two decades of Washington policy and political experience. As Managing Director of Government Affairs for Microsoft, Mr. Ingle manages Microsoft's federal lobbying activities on Capitol Hill and with the Executive Branch, and advises senior management on legislative and political matters that impact the company. Mr. Ingle also serves as Treasurer of Microsoft's Political Action Committee (MSPAC) and chairs its executive committee.
Prior to joining Microsoft in 2003, Mr. Ingle served as Deputy Assistant to the President for Cabinet Affairs in the Bush White House. In that role, he served as liaison with the President's Cabinet Departments, coordinating policy and communications with the Cabinet Secretaries and senior agency staff. Mr. Ingle was Director of Cabinet Coordination for the 2000 Presidential Transition. His first four years in Washington were spent at the White House Office of Management and Budget (OMB) under President Reagan. After leaving OMB, he spent 12 years at Wexler-Walker, a Washington government affairs firm where he represented numerous Fortune 500 companies and major trade association clients before Congress and the Executive Branch.
Mr. Ingle was Director of Speech Operations at the 2000 and 2004 Republican Conventions, and oversaw speech editing at the 1992 and 1996 conventions. He currently serves on the Board of Governors of the Bryce Harlow Foundation, which promotes high ethical standards in professional advocacy. Mr. Ingle also serves on the board of Operation Hope, a national non-profit organization that promotes financial literacy for inner city youth and adults. And since 1991, he has been a Principal of the Council for Excellence in Government.
Mr. Ingle earned a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Tennessee, and today serves on the college's Board of Visitors. He has a master's degree in public policy from Indiana University. In 2002, Mr. Ingle was awarded Indiana University's "Alumnus of the Year" by the public policy school.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Well... the cricket is surely naked on the bottom half.
lol, those 1.25-power reading glasses aren't working... the 1.75s work for me Posted by Igor R on :
Whos this Ed Ingle character?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Whos this Ed Ingle character?
ya, for real...
Jen? let's rein it in, eh? This really is getting to be kinda spammy...
no one should have to read through all that without some kind of context...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 756 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 768 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Friday, April 27th « Reply #41 on Today at 3:26pm »
Today at 3:20pm, taxback04 wrote:OK if I am to get this straight... some crooks have weasled their way into your source of funds and are periodically appropiating said funds for their own special projects. This appropiation is causing friction with your filings becuase it calls into question the actual ownership of the funds themselves.
More like every time we moved with the foreign investments some unknown untouchable entity stole them. So that is why we placed some of them into a USA Public corporation, for the WORLD TO SEE
I want to make one request, every believer say a prayer because after days like today people disappear GODSPEED
Alright. For quite sometime I've have thought that Rufus was either extremely smart or in need of a straight jacket. I have tended to believe the straight jacket and after reading his posts tonight, HOW THE HECK IS HE ACCESSING THE INTERNET FROM THE INSANE ASSYLUM?
Sorry but this is way beyond believability.
GLTA Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
Is this where the term nose job came from?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Whos this Ed Ingle character?
Looks like someone Rufus looked up on the internet to further confuse the issue. See now everyone should go looking into him and what he was doing at the time.
Smoke and Mirrors or the Truth? You decide.
GLTA Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
OT:As I have posted previously, My father recently had a stroke, the following is FIY. I thought I had done enough research prior to helping him and my Mother decide on supplemental Medicare coverage. Well, I was mistaken. According to thier policy they are entitled to 100 days of coverage while in a skilled nursing facility but now I have found out that there are stipulation to those benefits. As long as the patient is making progress according to predetermined Medicare guidelines, that are not easily accessible, the care can be terminated. My father was in the hospital for only a few days and then transeferred to a Skilled Nursing Facility. Once he was there an evaluation was done and Physical therapy, Speech Therapy and Occupational therapy was started. The ironic part is that my Father has been retired for many years and I wondered why Occupational Therapy but that is neither here nor there. After 3 weeks it was determined that he was not making enough progress and the Therapies were discontinued and the insurance and medicare were off the hook. In order to keep him in the facility it will cost $160 a day plus and additional care that is neccessary, like incontinuance charges, application of lotions for the feet or to prevent bed sores, wheelchairs, bed rails, hygiene etc. Basically the $160 covers room and board only.
The reason I bring this up is to inform others that not all is as it seems. With the baby boomers aging and gettting to the point that they may need this type of care in the future, all should be talking with thier parents regarding the possibility of long term care and the insurances available to them before it's too late.
It was too late for my parents who just turned 80 yrs old. People are living long today than ever before and we need to be informed as to how to care for them. I am fortunate that I don't have children and a wife so I can provide the care my parents need. If I had a family there is no way I could be here to take care of them.
I say this for no other reason than to alert those younger than myself, since I'm over 50, of the pratfalls that lie ahead. I know that no one wants to think of this but it is a reality and if you plan ahead it doesn;t have to be a nightmare. Medical and Financial powers of attorney will help to alievate many problems. Living Trusts and wills are a neccisity.
My aunt recently passed away after having a stroke her son, my cousin, was left helpless because he had no standing since no instructions were left. My Aunt having being born in the early 1900's put off making a will or doing any of the things that should be done. Now probate takes over and the fun begins. Family squables, lawyers cuts and of course Good Old Uncle Sam.
If you can take the time to DD stocks you may take a position in, then you should do the same as to what could and may happen in the event of a major health issue for your family. Don't think that parents need to be very old for things to go wrong, My brother had a stroke before he was 55 and hasn't been the same or worked since.
Please do the important DD not just on stocks.
Respectfully Wally
Posted by Igor R on :
So, let me see if I've got this straight. Congress gave Rufus a crapload of money through some mandate, to be used to do good things of various nature. And to make that info available to the public, he started CSHD and has those monies are our assets. Now if thats the case, and rufus has all these powerful government connections and what not, how in the world is the SEC even bothering us at all. Couldn't those government high ups just tell the SEC to back off, better yet cant they validate the assets if they were the ones who gave it to rufus?
Posted by Jenna on :
Sorry Tex, for all the content. I was just trying to bring information over for the people who can not access Rufus' site...
...I will refrain from doing so in the future....sorry all have a super weekend... Posted by glassman on :
OT: hey wally i'm sorry to hear that you are having those problems...
we in America like to tell ourselves we have a great health care system.. we don't.... we have some great health care providers, and we have some great researchers working to improve care, but our business model stinks
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna...I would still like to see the stuff that you think is important...The posts from RPH I think should definitely be brought here... Tex? It may be a bunch of BS...but it is what this stock is based on...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Sorry Tex, for all the content. I was just trying to bring information over for the people who can not access Rufus' site...
...I will refrain from doing so in the future....sorry all have a super weekend...
Posted by Jenna on :
For you 10, I will do it....
Tex. why don't you buy some shares then maybe you will be more interested... Posted by Jenna on :
Wally, very good points....sorry about your situation...
Are you bringing dad home to live with you?...sounds like you have strokes in your family....I hope your doc has told you to take a baby asprin every day for prevention....
Unfortunately, If your dad didn't work a day in his life & lived off welfare his whole life...he would be totally covered, no questions asked....it's only the working class...the middle class, who put into the system that do not get much out if it....
Good Luck with your daddy....you are in my prayers...
Posted by Jenna on :
This was my favorite post of Rufus' yesterday....(look who he is talking to....)
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Yesterday at 2:15pm, jenna wrote:(This is a test to see if Rufus "Paul" will talk to me)
Hi Mr. Harris!!!
Hello, How are you today?
GODSPEED
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: For you 10, I will do it....
Tex. why don't you buy some shares then maybe you will be more interested...
Jen, I do geek plays alla time...I've simply learned not to let dough get tied up.
10 & Jen: as long as folks are interested--ie, *not* a distraction-- I could care less. But we had a complaint, on-thread, and I thought, "You know, that *is* is an awful lot of "stuff" without any intervening narrative or discussion. I myself wouldn't want to wade through it all to get caught back up...
make sense?
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=stmatthew board=general thread=1177794360 post=1177810057]TGG always told me that this was the real deal...
HINT:
THE FORTIFY AMERICA, FORTRESS AMERICA'S PROGRAM WAS CONCEIVED TO FILL A VOID HERE IN THIS COUNTRY AND THIS HEMISPHERE. THE UNITED NATIONS, OF WHICH WE ARE THE MAJORITY FUNDER OF, HAS IN ITS CHARTER THAT THE USA CANNOT RECEIVE ANY FUNDING OR RELIEF FROM THE UN. ANY COUNTRY THAT WANTS SAID RELIEF OR PROJECT FUNDING MUST SIGN ONTO THE UN's DOCTRINAL PAPER WHICH IS TOTALLY SOCIALIST.
WE HAVE LEAD THE WORLD FOR SIXTY YEARS IN ALMOST EVERY FIELD EXCEPT CHILD BIRTH. THE LAST TWENTY YEARS WE HAVE SEEN A STEADY DECLINE OF OUR STRENGTHS TO OVERSEAS COMPETITORS WHO WE CREATED BY OUR QUEST FOR THE QUICK BUCK AND SHORT SIDEDNESS!!!!!!! WE NEED TO TURN THIS AROUND!!!!!!!
THE PROJECT WAS DESIGNED TO FOCUS OUR BEST MINDS ONTO A SELECT LIST OF ACHIEVABLE GOALS, JUST LIKE KENNEDY DID IN THE EARLY 60's WITH THE SPACE RACE. WE UNITED OUR THINKERS AND BLEW THE DOORS OFF THE RUSKIES WHO WERE A DECADE AHEAD OF US IN TESTING. THEY DID IT THEN, WE CAN DO IT NOW.
EUROPE (FRANCE, CAN YOU BELIEVE IT) HAS THE FASTEST TRAIN IN THE WORLD. CHINA HAS A MAG LEV TRAIN. JAPAN HAS THE MOST MILES OF HIGH SPEED TRAINS AND THE LONGEST TRACK RECORD WITH THEM. CHINA HAS MADE A NATIONAL GOAL TO COLONIZE THE MOON IN FIVE YEARS OR LESS!!!!! THE TREE-HUGGING ANTI NUKE CROWD HAS STOPPED ALL NUCLEAR ELECTRICAL GENERATION PLANTS FROM BEING BUILT IN THE LAST 25+ YEARS...SO WE BURN COAL AND OIL...CAN WE SAY HYDROCARBONS!!! OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM IS LIKE 35th FROM THE TOP IN THE WORLD...THAT IS OUR FUTURE!!!! WE ARE RAISING A BUNCH OF NO-NOTHINGS WHO WANT TO WATCH MTV AND HBO INSTEAD OF STUDYING. THE RAPPERS TELL THEM THAT YOU CAN BE STUPID AND RICH IF THEY CAN RHYME OR PLAY PRO BALL OR THE GIRLS WORK THE STREETS. WE HAVE THIRD GENERATION WELFARE FAMILIES NOW!!!!
I CAN GO ON BUT MY SOAP BOX HAS SPRUNG A LEAK...LONG HINT, HUH.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Judging by the post from Poetter id guess that he probably writes the stuff on the company website. His third and last parapraph match the original mission statement pretty closely, but maybe a bit better explained this time around.
Sorry to hear about things on the homefront Wally....after reading Poetters post it doesnt seem so OT anymore IMO.
Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Guys & Gals,
There is soooo much info being shared right now by Poetter, I just can't even bring it all over. If you people get a chance to visit Rufus' site go there & search Poetter under members & read his last 50 or so posts....
Posted by Igor R on :
Can you email it or pm it for those who cant access rufus's site, or by chance pm rufus and get him to unban me lol.
Posted by Jenna on :
Igor, why were you banned?
Some people were getting banned by "accident", the system was spitting them out if they didn't sign in indefinately. Are you sure? Have you tried again?
If you have a problem...let me know & I will email the posts to you....
..or if you want Rufus has assigned 2 moderators, I can PM them & ask them to unban you....
Posted by Igor R on :
I got no idea why I was banned, I got no explanation at all. I just now tried, and I'm ip banned as well as username, so I dunno. My username on there was "ironchef", mods can go through my posts and see I didn't really post anything terribly negative worthy of a banning. Can you pm those two mods please.
TIA Posted by Jenna on :
I will do it now Igor...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna I looked and couldn't find anything...New2 did you get "unbanned" from that site?
Posted by Jenna on :
New2- banned? That was surely a mistake!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Igor- you are active but may still run into a problem....I will PM you with the instructions I was given for you....
Rufus did not ban you.....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Jenna I looked and couldn't find anything...New2 did you get "unbanned" from that site?
Just so you know Rufus' original site is back up & running...has been for about a week now....
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Igor- you are active but may still run into a problem....I will PM you with the instructions I was given for you....
Rufus did not ban you.....
think I would be banned?
Posted by Jenna on :
No, Sexy Texy....
There is a glitch in the site over there....basically if you click on the icon to rate someone over there you get banned....
Posted by Igor R on :
Tried your instructions, and no luck. Tried it on both IE and Firefox and nothing . Thanks for sending the message though.
Posted by Igor R on :
From reading all of the info from rufus and this poetter fella, whats your thoughts/feelings on CSHD now?
Posted by Jenna on :
Honestly Igor, call me a nut job, but I can't help but feel good.....
PM me your email & I will send you his posts in the morning.....
Posted by Jenna on :
edit
Posted by Jenna on :
Take out the spaces....
Posted by T e x on :
lol... jen?
you're rushing so much that you deleted the post from which to delete the spaces...
Posted by Igor R on :
She's overworked going back and forth between allstocks and rufus's board haha.
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex, I know, I realized that with the link people would have access to my mailbox over there.....
Posted by Jenna on :
Good Night all....
Posted by Jenna on :
By the way Igor, it was...
May you have....
*************************************************
Champagne Wishes
&
Caviar Dreams!!!
*************************************************
(I spelled it right this time Tex!)
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Tex, I know, I realized that with the link people would have access to my mailbox over there.....
lol...
didn't realize you were concerned...
BUT...am glad you are Posted by Igor R on :
Tex, do you sleep ever? LOL
Posted by T e x on :
yeah, man...about to
napped too much today, I guess
went on a service call about 6:30 pm--and *still* felt sleepy, lol
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: New2- banned? That was surely a mistake!!!
I think I was unbanned.....I don't post much over there anymore since I was labeled a basher a couple weeks ago! lol
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Looks like something happenned over the weekend to cause everyone with knowledge of CSHD to go nuts!
What was it?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Is that invitation limited to Igor?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Honestly Igor, call me a nut job
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Godspeed! I'll take any help we can get.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Is that invitation limited to Igor?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Honestly Igor, call me a nut job
You are lucky that you are one of my favorites....I guess you can call me that too since I cyber-kicked you in your special place...
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: New2- banned? That was surely a mistake!!!
I think I was unbanned.....I don't post much over there anymore since I was labeled a basher a couple weeks ago! lol
Hey New2- Happy Birthday!!!
I didn't know it was your birthday until Rufus wished you one on his site!!
Posted by PCola77 on :
We'll call it even then...
And yes, you are a nut job.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Is that invitation limited to Igor?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Honestly Igor, call me a nut job
You are lucky that you are one of my favorites....I guess you can call me that too since I cyber-kicked you in your special place...
Posted by Igor R on :
LOL
Posted by Jenna on :
Igor- I sent you an email, you punk... Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Now his site is randomly banning people leaving Rufus innocent of such a dumb move?
I was happy when he shut it down last time....ecstatic if he does it again. Im a Rufus supporter and even im fed up with the extremely unprofessional methods he is using to pour the koolaide.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
It's always snack time over there - kool-aid & karma.
Posted by Jenna on :
That's funny- I just noticed I got 200,000 Karma's....I must have done something he liked...Thank Rufus!
Oh & Hi Mr. Marsh!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: That's funny- I just noticed I got 200,000 Karma's....I must have done something he liked...Thank Rufus!
Oh & Hi Mr. Marsh!
HAH and I got smited over 150,000 this morning! lmao
Posted by Igor R on :
Hey why am I a punk, :points to Pcola: theres your target .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
OT : I dont know if anyone was involved with CMKM Diamonds at all but thought you might find this interesting. Mark is writing a book by the way..'The Naked Truth: Counterfeiting the American Dream'
The Truth Fund: $9,600 and a $5,000 Harley to ride into the sunset
Okay, this is the most amazing thing. Everyone should keep up with this for the next few days. It has to do with message board posters involving the company that I'm writing my book about (The Naked Truth: Counterfeiting the American Dream). The company, CMKM Diamonds, has been plagued with people who have lied to and deceived the shareholders for years, and quite frankly, it's harmful and cruel. I'll post a summary of what we're doing, and then you can go to my **** on The Faulking Truth to read the updates. Any comments here are directed at the self-proclaimed CMKX message board "Gurus."
After years of listening to self-professed "Gurus" fill CMKX shareholders with false hope and dreams of a massive payout, and/or a complex sting operation that traps all the bad guys and ends up with....a massive payout, we decided to try to bring out the Faulking Truth (one way or another). I put up $1,000, which was quickly upped to $6,000 by DeWayne Reeves at www.cfrn.net , and then....well, read on to see what heppened next, then check my **** over the next few days to see how this plays out.
Here's the challenge: All of the money AND the Harley will be given to the first person who has irrefutable evidence of an actual payout, or irrefutable evidence of a sting that CEO Urban Casavant is involved in (NOT an investigation that he is one of the subjects of). Send me irrefutable evidence at thenakedtruth*faulkingtruth.com and the money is yours.
The Truth Fund has now reached an amazing $9,600, plus a vintage '67 Harley to ride home on. Go to http://www.faulkingtruth.com/blo g/ to read the updates. Here is the current contributor list (using their message board names), which I will keep updated on the Faulking Truth homepage. Thank you for your generosity:
$1,000 Mark Faulk $5,000 CT (DeWayne Reeves) $100 x3xsolxdierx3x $500 injunjoe $800 cruisecontrol $1,000 braindamage $100 Midget $100 Hot Lips Houlihan $1,000 SEILGUGNIPMUB (and his vintage '67 Harley, valued at $5,000)
TOTAL FUND VALUE: $14,600
So there you have it. For those of you who are so certain that a payout is coming for CMKX shareholders, and have spent all your time feeding the hopes of others, the time is now. Put up or shut up. Show us the evidence, pick up your $9,600 cash, and carry it home on your '67 Harley, the wind blowing through your hair, Easy Rider style. What could be better than that? The shareholders deserve to know the truth.
All of the *'s should be b l o g
Posted by PCola77 on :
Guilty
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Hey why am I a punk, :points to Pcola: theres your target .
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Hey why am I a punk, :points to Pcola: theres your target .
I just felt like it....I didn't mean it...you are a nice chef.... Posted by Igor R on :
Anything new today?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Nope. Jenna's still crazy.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Anything new today?
Did I miss the circus again. Where is Rufus? Is he in the mental ward yet? Maybe I'll see him when I get there as I can't help but laugh my butt off reading half of this nonsense.
Godspeed!
Posted by Jenna on :
I love this from of RPH'spost ....this is just a part of it (from today)....
Yes, I knew from day one that the crooks were going to short us, FHAL was one of their play grounds, we walked in their yard and crapped on their merry-go-around Posted by thesource on :
Oh yeah , he's really showing them who's boss .
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Oh yeah , he's really showing them who's boss .
LOL, seriously.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Oh yeah , he's really showing them who's boss .
LOL, seriously.
We got them right where they want us. LOL
Posted by luvforever on :
There is a really cool option that has been put together that will hang the shorts and make the real shareholders cry with joy
Timing is everything when dealing with people like this
I will promise all one thing; the shareholders will have an exit and soon
I will remain behind with the court and finish off the crooks
Be careful all and Keep your head above the water (Water = duplicity)
I will update the supporting documents page tomorrow for the shareholders to update their information and HCC number; all information will be held confidential and will be crucial in the near future for your exit Link to Post - Back to Top IP: Logged GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Posted by luvforever on :
Re: Monday, April 30th Part II « Reply #213 on Yesterday at 10:50pm » Ok, let’s shine a little light on an area, Remember the Humanitarian and Scientific Foundation, Mr. Steven O Canady
The following is what they are offering; “The only thing that is required from the project owner seeking funding is to supply a viable project and the cost for the underwriting process, registration and listing costs, and legal fees, which is the $500K Capital Contribution (*Note: This yields up to $250M per $500K to the project). This will begin the process which takes approximately 4 to 6 weeks to complete.”
Investigation has turned up some unbelievable stuff on this new project of Mr. Canady’s
More Icing on the cake for the Nah Sayers
Guys thanks to alot of honest people out here you will one day soon regret your actions against CSHD « Last Edit: Yesterday at 10:52pm by Rufus Paul Harris » Link to Post - Back to Top IP: Logged GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Posted by luvforever on :
Mr. Harris says: All will be surprised to find out which former officer is involved with this!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Well, I just check IHUB and saw a post under the BHUB board. Apparently someone is using the term Rufuss'd as a replacement for screwed.
Anybody here feel like they were Rufuss'd? Posted by luvforever on :
Yesterday at 11:09pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote: You Know I do enjoy taking out the trash, most people do not, But I for one Do !!!
[image] is it sabra ..
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Nope. Jenna's still crazy.
She may be crazy but at least she's cute! Did I say that? Posted by luvforever on :
Yesterday at 11:04pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Yesterday at 10:56pm, h2omd0 wrote:
Looks to me like he took a page from your play book. Ruffus says:
All will be surprised to find out which former officer is involved with this!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
How did Canady get brough up and what is his current relation to CSHD OR the relationship between Alliance and CSHD?
Posted by luvforever on :
Re: Monday, April 30th Part II « Reply #315 on Yesterday at 11:37pm »
Yesterday at 11:33pm, jerseyhawg wrote:
Yesterday at 11:20pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Vegas does not like me at all; We went a round or two with BBAN, which lead to CMKX’s problems
2 Birds with 1 stone Link to Post - Back to Top IP: Logged GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Posted by milliam on :
So CMKX has something to do with Rufus or was this just brought up that way?
Crazy, crazy stuff!
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: There is a really cool option that has been put together that will hang the shorts and make the real shareholders cry with joy
Timing is everything when dealing with people like this
I will promise all one thing; the shareholders will have an exit and soon
I will remain behind with the court and finish off the crooks
Be careful all and Keep your head above the water (Water = duplicity)
I will update the supporting documents page tomorrow for the shareholders to update their information and HCC number; all information will be held confidential and will be crucial in the near future for your exit Link to Post - Back to Top IP: Logged GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Does HCC number have anything to do with Certs? And does it mean we really need to get certs.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Igor.. HCC=hard copy Certs...and "they" are claiming that if you have your Certs there will be a "quicker" exit...but if not the exit will still be there...just a slower process...almost seems he is going to do a buy back(just a guess)...IMO
Posted by T e x on :
am hearing rumors re "the answer" to the default...anyone got real news, actual link, etc?
Posted by PCola77 on :
What'd ya hear?
Posted by T e x on :
heard the "answer" was rejected; saw a link purportedly indicating acceptance and some official date, maybe a hearing, January 2008...
in other words, contradictory rumors...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex...No one is saying anything about that over at RPH's kool-aide stand...
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Can somebody post the site for RPH's board/thread (aka, RPH's kool-aide stand,LOL) I have never been there.
Posted by 10of13 on :
You can buy kool-aide at http://www.cvsu. pro boards 100.com/ but you must first sign up for a membership in order to even see the flavors...
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
LOL
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: You can buy kool-aide at http://www.cvsu. pro boards 100.com/ but you must first sign up for a membership in order to even see the flavors...
Thanks 10, do they have Blueberry Pie in the Sky? That's my favorite.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
My favorite is Craving Cranberry with Karma Sprinkles.
Posted by luvforever on :
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...it that the blueberry Pie in the Sky?
quote:Originally posted by luvforever:
Posted by luvforever on :
Yes it is!~LOL
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL...it that the blueberry Pie in the Sky?
quote:Originally posted by luvforever:
O-boy, it's going to be just like old times, I'll drink kool-aide til I can't move. LOL
Posted by luvforever on :
lease take note: New magic twist,etc~LOL
Posted by 10of13 on :
Luv...that's what they were serving last week wasn't it? Aren't they serving Cranberry Confusion today?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO...Stock...I thought that last batch i tasted was a bit bitter...!
Posted by luvforever on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
OMG
Posted by thesource on :
Is that the newest flavor , Golden Shower Kool Aide ? Damn Rufus was right , CSHD is golden !!!
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Is that the newest flavor , Golden Shower Kool Aide ? Damn Rufus was right , CSHD is golden !!!
LoL!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL...it that the blueberry Pie in the Sky?
quote:Originally posted by luvforever:
Hey, it's Blufus! Posted by Igor R on :
Another useless day in CSHD land? What a shock lol.
Posted by thecon00 on :
Just for the heck of it I have had a gtc order in well above the daily lows for a middle amount of shares for quite some time just to see what would happen. I am using choice trade and even though we had 600,000 shares plus trading today I still am not getting filled! Has anyone bought recently. Nobody in their right mind has a reason to sell anymore. It is not worth the couple hundred. So the only question remains is who the hell is still trading this on these high volume days and why. I believe I must be brokers covering but who is selling to them. Why do they still care enough to even want to cover. I do hope we eventually get an answer. I update if my order doesn’t fill. How can we open at a penny and not fill orders well higher??? - con
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by thecon00: Just for the heck of it I have had a gtc order in well above the daily lows for a middle amount of shares for quite some time just to see what would happen. I am using choice trade and even though we had 600,000 shares plus trading today I still am not getting filled! Has anyone bought recently. Nobody in their right mind has a reason to sell anymore. It is not worth the couple hundred. So the only question remains is who the hell is still trading this on these high volume days and why. I believe I must be brokers covering but who is selling to them. Why do they still care enough to even want to cover. I do hope we eventually get an answer. I update if my order doesn’t fill. How can we open at a penny and not fill orders well higher??? - con
You're aware of the AJW deal, right?
Posted by PCola77 on :
No idea. I just like to make smartass comments. I don't go to any of the other sites, IHub, Rufus' CSHD, etc. I'm not as knowlegable as I pretend to be.
I don't know and I'm not going to fill it out! I gave pretty much that same info to the SHC and I don't know where that ended up!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Care to update me? I saw somethign about it being some kind of toxic financing, but didn't bother looking into it any more than that.
quote:Originally posted by T e x: You're aware of the AJW deal, right?
Igor- we don't know what that is yet....
Posted by Jenna on :
Poetter Global Moderator
member is offline
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 148 Location: Arizona Karma: 10,000,000,035 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Tuesday, May 1st « Reply #571 on Today at 3:24pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=harpeter board=general thread=1177994424 post=1178048753] Board Resolution 9/21/06: It is hereby discussed, voted upon agreed to and resolved that an escrow account trust fund will be setup for the approximate 66,000,000 shares that may have been sold in the market, but may not exist. The resolution therefore sets forth $100,000,000 million dollars will be placed in escrow as a reserve to address these shares and will be replenished as the stockholders become known up to and does not exceed $250,000,000. (I think the #'s are key to remember as we approach the proxy and judges actions )
I have never been able to figure out how the company could place $100,000,000 in escrow when we have no money coming in from JV's or have never cashed in a bond. Could someone please explain to me how this is posible.
I HAVE POSTED THIS BEFORE AND MR. HARRIS TALKED ABOUT IT LAST FALL, THIS IS HOW THE OFF SHORE JVs WERE TO WORK; THE OFF SHORE JVs BROUGHT TOGETHER TWO ENTITIES, ONE WITH FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS AND MR. HARRIS (CSHD), THE FACILITATOR. THE JV PLACED THESE INSTRUMENTS IN SAFE KEEPING WITH A TOP TWENTY-FIVE BANK AND DREW A CASH CREDIT LINE AGAINST THE INSTRUMENTS. THE CASH CREDIT LINE WAS THEN USED TO PURCHASE AND THEN SELL OTHER INSTRUMENTS AT A PROFIT. AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME, THE ORIGINAL JV INSTRUMENTS REVERTED BACK TO THEIR OWNERS AS THE LINE OF CREDIT REPAID WITH INTEREST AND THE PROFITS IN CASH WERE DIVIDED AMONG THE TWO ENTITIES. CSHD WAS THE FACILITATOR AND CONTROLLING PARTY OF THE JV, HAVING CALLED ALL THE SHOTS.
REMEMBER THE ORIGINAL JV WAS WITH THE UCC-1s AND A 100 MILLION CASH CREDIT LINE WAS DRAWN AGAINST THEM.
Posted by Jenna on :
It seems as though, Rufus is working on this & he is waiting on an SSL for the site to secure it...then he said he will update us...
These were his words:
Everyone needs to hold on waiting on SSL
I'll post PR on Web Site
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Care to update me? I saw somethign about it being some kind of toxic financing, but didn't bother looking into it any more than that.
quote:Originally posted by T e x: You're aware of the AJW deal, right?
[/QB]
very favorable conversion rates for the Corey nexus (AJW et al)...to the extent that they easily could still be selling.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Tex, im guessing thats what Rufus is eluding to when he says that most of the shares being traded right now arent legal. Ribotsky and friends are probably unloading them.
For giggles i bought a small chunk on the greys and im probably going to order my certs soon....im curious to see if my "new" shares become an issue.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Tex, im guessing thats what Rufus is eluding to when he says that most of the shares being traded right now arent legal. Ribotsky and friends are probably unloading them.
For giggles i bought a small chunk on the greys and im probably going to order my certs soon....im curious to see if my "new" shares become an issue.
As ethically questionable as it may be, this type financing is legal.
Hard to blame the financiers, though...the companies that do it should be aware of the problems at this late date...
Now, if he's alluding to MMs covering, as buyers, well, dang it--MMs can trade for their own accounts as I recall, even though they can't make a market.
Now...am *not* saying any "collusion" exists/proveable... but, MMs are charged with making a market and have legal NSS at their disposal to do so...this type financing just makes their job easier, imo...
btw...am still hearing PACER has been updated, fwiw
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Im sure MM's can cover for their brokers but im wondering if Etrade uses more than just their own....because i know for a fact that Etrade has traded shares to their customers but i dont think it shows up on any of the lists ive seen floating around.
Anyone have the link to that breakdown of various MMs since the suspension?
Posted by T e x on :
sounds like rufe on SPR...
Posted by new2stocks on :
Rufus is on SPR.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ok this was passed on to me, this is what i meant about Etrade...and i KNOW they have made trades. It just makes me wonder.
Posted by T e x on :
RPH: "attorneys wanted to unwind the merger..."
his now stated reason for not using attorneys...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: RPH: "attorneys wanted to unwind the merger..."
his now stated reason for not using attorneys...
I preferred "I have the information, they dont!" response he gave LOL
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: RPH: "attorneys wanted to unwind the merger..."
his now stated reason for not using attorneys...
I preferred "I have the information, they dont!" response he gave LOL
ya...understood...funny chit
the merger comment struck me cuz I've never seen a merger...have seen a name/ticker change...but as far as I know, still filing as Furia Posted by thesource on :
This should be good .........
Posted by T e x on :
wheee... RPH concedes the 6:1 was a pivot point...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Fronthaul never switched over from Furia either though...im not sure why that name stuck around, the first reverse merger in this scenario I believe.
Posted by T e x on :
just sayin'...FHAL & CSHD apparently went to go get married...but never consumated the deal.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Thats what im sayin too.....but it was Fronthaul and Furia that got married first. I guess what im saying is, i dont know the rules in these mergers as to who takes who's name. Fronthaul R/M into Furia and was called Fronthaul but filed as Furia. Now that Fronthaul and Conversion Solutions merged they still maintained the Furia filing name.
I do follow you though, im concerned about any chance of the merger dissolving now that things are so hosed.
Posted by thesource on :
Looks like ol' Dufus should have figured all this crap out before running his mouth and getting CSHD suspended and put into default with the SEC .
Posted by T e x on :
more wheeeeee: "I was four years in the planning on this...."
now, back to illegal shares...
Posted by Murnak on :
Naked Short Selling and the Stock Borrow Program
In recent months, there has been a fair amount of media coverage of naked short selling, Regulation SHO and even DTCC’s role in that via the Stock Borrow program operated by DTCC subsidiary National Securities Clearing Corporation (NSCC). Because there has been much confusion about these issues, and much misinformation, *dtcc sat down with DTCC First Deputy General Counsel Larry Thompson to discuss these issues.
*dtcc: Let’s start with the question, what is naked short selling and why has it suddenly become an issue?
Thompson: Short selling is a trading strategy where a broker/dealer or investor believes that a stock is overvalued and is likely to decline. It is an integral part of the way our capital market system works. Basically, it involves borrowing stock that you don’t own and selling it on the open market. You then buy it back at a later date, hopefully at a lower price, and as a result, making a profit.
Naked short selling is selling stock you don’t own, but not borrowing it and making no attempt to do so. While naked short selling occurs, the extent to which it occurs is in dispute.
*dtcc: DTCC and some of its subsidiaries have been sued over naked shorting. What has been the result of those cases?
Thompson: We’ve had 12 cases to date filed against DTCC or one of our subsidiaries over the naked shorting issue. Nine of the cases have been dismissed by the judge without a trial, or withdrawn by the plaintiff. The other three are pending, and we have moved to dismiss all those cases as well. While the lawyers in these cases have presented their theory of how they think the system works, the fact is that their theories are not an accurate reflection of how the capital market system actually works.
*dtcc: One of the allegations made in some of the lawsuits is that the Stock Borrow program counterfeits shares, creating many more shares than actually exist. True?
Thompson: Absolutely false. Under the Stock Borrow program, NSCC only borrows shares from a lending member if the member actually has the shares on deposit in its account at the DTC and voluntarily offers them to NSCC. If the member doesn’t have the shares, it can’t lend them.
Once a loan is made, the lent shares are deducted from the lender’s DTC account and credited to the DTC account of the member to whom the shares are delivered. Only one NSCC member can have the shares credited to its DTC account at any one time.
The assertion that the same shares are lent over and over again with each new recipient acquiring ownership of the same shares is either an intentional misrepresentation of the SEC-approved system, or a profoundly ignorant characterization of this component of the process of clearing and settling transactions.
*dtcc: Another allegation is that the Stock Borrow program has become “a reliable source of income” for NSCC? Some articles have said we make almost $1 billion from it.
Thompson: This statement is purposely misleading. One billion dollars represents our total revenue from all our operations of all subsidiaries. The fact is that there are NO separate fees for transactions processed through the Stock Borrow program. There is just the normal fee for delivery of the shares, which is 30 cents per delivery. If you assume we make an average of 22,000 deliveries through Stock Borrow a day, there would be about $6,600 extra a day in revenue over 253 trading days, or about $1.67 million a year in additional revenue, out of $1 billion.
All of our members know that DTCC and all its subsidiaries operate on a “not for profit” basis. What that means is that we aim to price our services so that our revenues cover our expenses.
*dtcc: Just how big is the fail to delivers, and how much of those fails does the Stock Borrow program address?
Thompson: Currently, fails to deliver are running about 24,000 transactions daily, and that includes both new and aged fails, out of an average of 23 million new transactions processed daily by NSCC, or about one-tenth of one percent. In dollar terms, fails to deliver and receive amount to about $6 billion daily, again including both new fails and aged fails, out of just under $400 billion in trades processed daily by NSCC, or about 1.5% of the dollar volume. The Stock Borrow program is able to resolve about $1.1 billion of the “fails to receive,” or about 20% of the total fail obligation.
The Stock Borrow program was created in 1981 with the approval of the SEC to help reduce potential problems caused by fails, by enabling NSCC to make deliveries of shares to brokers who bought them when there is a “fail to deliver” by the delivering broker. However, it doesn’t in any way relieve the broker who fails to deliver from that obligation. Even if a “fail to receive” is handled by Stock Borrow, the “fail to deliver” continues to exist, and is counted as part of the total “fails to deliver.” If the total fails to deliver for that issue exceeds 10,000 shares, it gets reported to the markets and the SEC.
*dtcc: If the volume in the Stock Borrow program is so small, why are these companies suggesting it is a major issue?
Thompson: Frankly, we believe that the allegations are attempting to purposely mislead those who are not familiar with this program. A number of small OTCBB and so-called “pink sheet” companies have contended that this practice is driving down the price of their shares and driving them out of business.
According to their own 10K and 10Q reports financial auditor’s disclosure statements, many of these firms have admitted that “factors raise substantial doubt about the company’s ability to continue as a going concern.” They have had little or no revenue, according to their financial reports, and substantial losses, for periods of seven or eight years. One of these companies has been cited for failing to file financial statements since 2001. Another has been cited by the SEC for press releases that misled investors on expanding business contracts that didn’t exist. They will do anything they can do that takes people’s attention off that kind of record, especially if they can convince a law firm to take the case on a contingency basis, which is what has happened.
*dtcc: Who are the law firms bringing these suits?
Thompson: The main law firms engaged in these lawsuits, and they have been behind virtually all of them, were principally involved with the tobacco class action lawsuit. They like to bring suits in multiple jurisdictions in an attempt to find any jurisdiction where they might be successful in winning large judgments.
*dtcc: What causes a fail to deliver in a trade? Is it all naked short selling?
Thompson: There can be any number of reasons for a “fail to deliver,” many of them the result of investor actions. An investor can get a physical certificate to his broker too late for settlement. An investor might not have signed the certificate, or signed in the wrong place. There may have been human error, in that the wrong stock (or CUSIP) was sold, so the delivery can’t be made. Last year, 1.7 million physical certificates were lost, and sometimes that isn’t discovered until after an investor puts in an order to sell the security. There are literally dozens of reasons for a “fail to deliver,” and most of them are legal. Reg SHO also allows market makers to legally “naked short” shares in the course of their market making responsibilities, and those obviously result in fails. We can’t do anything about them but what we are doing: that is, report all fails of more than 10,000 shares in any issue to the marketplaces and the SEC for their action.
*dtcc: What happens then?
Thompson: The markets check to see if the amount of fails to deliver is more than 1/2 of 1% of the total outstanding shares in that security. If it is, then it goes on a “Threshold List.” If it is then on the Threshold List for 13 consecutive settlement days, restrictions on short selling then apply. The “close-out” requirement forces a participant of a registered clearing agency to close out any “fail to deliver” position in a threshold security that has remained for 13 consecutive settlement days by purchasing securities of like kind and quantity. If the participant does not take action to close out the open fail to deliver position, the participant is prohibited from making further short sales in that security without first borrowing or arranging to borrow the security. Even market makers are not exempt from this requirement.
*dtcc: So Reg SHO doesn’t force them to close out the position, but if they don’t, they are prohibited from making any additional short sales without borrowing the shares first?
Thompson: That’s right.
*dtcc: Does DTCC have a regulatory role in naked short selling? What authority does it have to force companies to settle a fail?
Thompson: Naked short selling, or short selling, is a trading activity. We don’t have any power or legal authority to regulate or stop short selling, naked or otherwise. We also have no power to force member firms to close out or resolve fails to deliver. That power is reserved for the SEC and the markets, be it the NYSE, Nasdaq, Amex, or any of the other markets. The fact is, we don’t even see whether a sale is short or not. That’s something only the markets see. NSCC just gets “buys” and “sells,” and it’s our job to try and clear and settle those trades.
*dtcc: Why won’t you reveal the number of fails to deliver in each position to the issuer of the security?
Thompson: There are a couple of reasons. First, we provide that information to regulators and the SROs so they can investigate fails and determine whether there are violations of law going on. Releasing that information might jeopardize those investigations, and we feel they are the appropriate organizations to get that information since they can act on it. Second, NSCC rules prohibit release of trading data, or any reports based on the trading data, to anyone other than participant firms, regulators, or self-regulatory bodies such as the NYSE or Nasdaq. We do that for the obvious reason that the trading data we receive could be used to manipulate the market, as well as reveal trading patterns of individual firms.
*dtcc: How does DTCC respond to claims that shares from cash accounts and/or retirement accounts and/or institutional accounts are being put into the lending pool of the Stock Borrow program?
Thompson: It is our broker and bank members who control their DTC accounts. They can and do segregate shares that they are not permitted to lend out. Neither NSCC nor DTC monitor or regulate that activity. It is done by the SROs and the SEC. However, there is no requirement that brokers or banks participate in the Stock Borrow program, and neither DTC nor NSCC can take shares from an account unless those shares are voluntarily offered by the broker or bank member.
*dtcc: Do you think there is illegal naked shorting going on?
Thompson: Certainly there have been cases in the past where it has, and those cases have been prosecuted by the SEC and other appropriate enforcement agencies. I suppose there will be cases where someone else will try to break the law in the future. But I also don’t believe that there is the huge, systemic, illegal naked shorting that some have charged is going on. To say that there are trillions of dollars involved in this is ridiculous. The fact is that fails, as a percentage of total trading, hasn’t changed in the last 10 years. *
Posted by T e x on :
corey? long pause....
answer unintelligible to me...
Posted by T e x on :
now addressing the "unsatisfied" response on PACER.... and whooops ... could care less... o my
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ok, i try not to post based on gut feeling or emotion these days but the discussion over certs is on pretty heavy again and IMO I think it might be a good time to order them. I dont know what its going to cost me, or what the other brokers charge, but i think there might be another chapter with a twist on it...real soon.
thesource.....save it man, no need to respond im going to bed anyway. Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Wow he got into some crazy stuff..
accusing Canady of possibly being a fed? a corrupt one?
maybe Rufus one day worked with the same group? Went rogue and wants to take them down?
Then discussions of the twin towers being an inside job.....or at least saying it was likely dropped for a "reason"
Posted by thesource on :
I was just going to say that toilet paper is cheaper if you need something to wipe your butt with . I've heard the certs will cost you $50.00 or more to order and thats a lot of cash for TP .....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
I'll pay the $50.....my buns are irreplaceable
Posted by thesource on :
I'd look into using baby wipes . They are alot easier on the corn hole than toilet paper or CSHD certs .
Posted by 10of13 on :
Cat through etrade Certs will cost you about 50 bucks...
Anything new on the SPR? or was RPH just rambling the same stuff?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Quite honestly? And everyone can stop reading here if you are anti rufus.....
He is on his game pretty heavy tonight...bouncing around a lot but genuinely fired up.
Oh crap...is this you on the phone Tex? Posted by Igor R on :
Any updates by rufie that are semi useful, timelines, names, or dates, etc?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
No, but he seems to be hinting that we will never see the OTCBB again....not hinting, pretty much said no way. But, he also said if it were up to him the OTCBBB and pink sheets would be gone. Guesses of foreign exchange...said no buy out.
And then Tex called and and has been blabbin since Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: No, but he seems to be hinting that we will never see the OTCBB again....not hinting, pretty much said no way. But, he also said if it were up to him the OTCBBB and pink sheets would be gone. Guesses of foreign exchange...said no buy out.
And then Tex called and and has been blabbin since
please don't misrepresent...
I did *not* call...
lol, I may have blabbed...but I was called
Posted by Igor R on :
By saying never see otcbb again, that mean no uplisting at all or just skipping straight to nasdaq/nyse/amex or whatever? And if higher exchange is what he means, is that going to happen in my lifetime, Im only 19 so i think i got a good number of years left (hopefully), but this **** ain't going nowhere so far.
Posted by thesource on :
Can you say GOLDEN ??? Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: No, but he seems to be hinting that we will never see the OTCBB again....not hinting, pretty much said no way. But, he also said if it were up to him the OTCBBB and pink sheets would be gone. Guesses of foreign exchange...said no buy out.
And then Tex called and and has been blabbin since
please don't misrepresent...
I did *not* call...
lol, I may have blabbed...but I was called
LOL sorry sorry, i had gotten up for a sec so i didnt catch who called who.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: By saying never see otcbb again, that mean no uplisting at all or just skipping straight to nasdaq/nyse/amex or whatever? And if higher exchange is what he means, is that going to happen in my lifetime, Im only 19 so i think i got a good number of years left (hopefully), but this **** ain't going nowhere so far.
he hinted strongly...well, more or less indicated that his "plan" is to head for a foreign exchange...
Posted by Igor R on :
Any mention of when this "plan" is to be set in motion?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: By saying never see otcbb again, that mean no uplisting at all or just skipping straight to nasdaq/nyse/amex or whatever? And if higher exchange is what he means, is that going to happen in my lifetime, Im only 19 so i think i got a good number of years left (hopefully), but this **** ain't going nowhere so far.
If i were drinking the koolaide right now....and no, its actually labatt at the moment but who cares, id say this.
If this were a larger company that was going through some sort of problem and they asked their shareholders to call for all of their certs im quite sure these people would do it. If you still own this stock? You are still interested and you are still a believe....some on different levels or another. If you do still own it and you do still believe then it makes sense to me to just get the certs and pull those shares out of the system.
I can imagine a move to another exchange, not gonna guess which, and this would make it easier to switch. Simon has also suggested take half in cert form and the other in electronic.
I think ill order mine tomorrow, thats realy the only thing he has asked from us....yet everyone demands the world from him.
Bah, do what you want with your shares. Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: By saying never see otcbb again, that mean no uplisting at all or just skipping straight to nasdaq/nyse/amex or whatever? And if higher exchange is what he means, is that going to happen in my lifetime, Im only 19 so i think i got a good number of years left (hopefully), but this **** ain't going nowhere so far.
he hinted strongly...well, more or less indicated that his "plan" is to head for a foreign exchange...
Awesome ....... does that mean we can short the stock since its not traded on the U.S. exchanges or will I have to open a foreign account to do that ? Maybe he's going to have it listed on that new exchange that PNMS is starting down in Panama . I see big things in CSHD's future ......
Posted by T e x on :
this is hilarious... re "DeWayne [sp?] Woods" one thing led to another...
Posted by T e x on :
lord a mercy... huge million$ some guy introduced Lee Ioaccoca to some big money man, blah blah...
lol, still can't understand how someone this powerfully connected can not seem to find an attorney for the company ("cuz they muck it up")...
I now understand how peeps will listen for hours...very entertaining...
but I'm out, and back to business...
GLTA
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Yes, very entertaining......but im past crashin time!
'night folks
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Based on what hes saying now Mike Alexander and Dave Perley both have some dirt out there, and people are coming forward with it. Im VERY anxious to hear that stuff because it was those guys that originally got me into this.....as it was going under!
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex- they are making fun of you somethin fierce over there......
They just don't know you like we do.... Posted by Igor R on :
Is he still going?
Posted by Jenna on :
S:"It's not like this is a thread to national security..."
R:"If I start naming names it might be..." Laughing..
S:"Do you know William Trubet?"
R:"Sounds familiar..."
S:"...Waste Managment....I heard rumors they are run by the mofia....Waste Management names Duayne Woods..as...(some officer in company.."
R:"Duwayne has some intersting things.....He's from Russia, he brought in the subsiderities, Point, Click, Dream...."
S:"Is that still a go?"
R:"The guy has called a few time, the are a few guys from the Hill interested in doing it....but there are laws to prevent gambling with credit cards....That was the only downfall of Point, Click, Dream..."
S:"You are saying was as if those JV are not possible...."
R;"No, I'm not saying that....I keep getting calls.....after federal court I told the staff not to return to the office....leave everything....Mitch kept going even after I told them not to...even after I told him he would be terminated if he kept going in.....
S:"I thought someone left because they got offered a better deal...."
R:"I don't know...
S:"With regards to Netbank...people thought that was going to be an aquizition..."
R;"...I lloked them up & they were very interested..."
S:"On the last show you had said you & Ban had looked at deals that were not bonds but were asset based..."
R;"That is true....We haven't moved on them because of our situation with the SEC...
R"....I do not want to go & unwind the merger...I do not want to hurt the shareholders...they are innocent...they are the ones who bought...the banks are the ones that came on board & sold them the stocks....These guys made fradulent statements in there agreement with YOU....That is the very reason we have not proceeded with an attorney...The SEC is saying that all the instruments are fraud... "
R"....I want you to put them in jail"
S:"You've been pretty consistent....Your primary focus is the brokers.....they take funds out of there acct holders & they are not delivering legitimate shares..."
R:"You can't .....31million & change.....that was the total amount of legal total electronic shares....we had already traded....(sorry can't keep up)...you can't trade 300% of your float in a month!!! I'm not going to stop preaching it!!! We've been doing some crazy stuff here....somehow the T/A gets with the new SHC violating bylaws....once they know you have them by the kahoonas..that's there only move......"
S:"You did issue out those additional shares....who did Mike A?"
R:"AAAHHH, I don't know...."
R:"...They said there has to be a ex date....they forced it to be a dividend in BBAN...go research it....From Day 1.. PREPARED....I got death threats...I told you I'd be back...well here I am...Let's go....mark it we're done...just wait & see....the merger agreement is 62 milll....it brought it up to 111 mill......I've got the documents...all they can do is keep this out of court...The T/a numbers didn't match the DTCC, the DTCC didn't match the ADP..."
R:"...all of this happened...this is real...everybody can throw up smoke screens...but I want people who are responsible to PAY!!!....when you dig into AJW..how many companies are they involved in?...The majority of those comapnies don;t even exsist...
S:"...Romeo...supposedly well connected...someone said that CSHD never has the (something)...that they needed for the bond...."
R:"That's a negative, not true....it was on off-shore set up....It's a US structure that allows you to bring things into the US....I didn't want to leave the counrty...I've been told that if I leave the counrty I would be kidnapped & forced to....Immediately following the communications (JPmorgan Chase) the 2ndary account was a Panamanian bank...they stepped up after we had issues....Chavez' daughter (can't keep up)"
S:"What if Romeo said that there is no swift?"
R:'I doubt that very seriously....When the evidence comes out they will find a swift in the 3rd account. My last conversation with Romeo was about 2 weeks ago...I doubt he has anythign negative to say..."
I'm going to bed & you are all welcome....
One last quote:
R:"I want a piece of it...I want a piece of all of it...I've got 9 million shares....I'm pouring gasoline all over it...."
S:"When will this all happen..."
R:"Not long....You hear me tonight...I've lit a fire & pouring gasoline all over it.....Not Long!!"
Posted by minkybodl on :
He told Simon to go look out of the window and see if Washinton D.C. was on fire yet.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
This is the place on the CHSD website that RPH was referring to when he said, "I will update the supporting documents page tomorrow for the shareholders to update their information and HCC number." in his Tuesday post below:
There is a really cool option that has been put together that will hang the shorts and make the real shareholders cry with joy
Timing is everything when dealing with people like this
I will promise all one thing; the shareholders will have an exit and soon
I will remain behind with the court and finish off the crooks
Be careful all and Keep your head above the water (Water = duplicity)
I will update the supporting documents page tomorrow for the shareholders to update their information and HCC number; all information will be held confidential and will be crucial in the near future for your exit Link to Post - Back to Top IP: Logged GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Posted by wallymac on :
I will apologize in advance here. First I didnot listen to SPR tonight just read the last couple of pages of this thread but I will state what I feel, just remember it's MY PERSONAL OPINION.
Rufus belongs in an institution. Let's use some common sense here. He is throwing around some big connections. I may be stupid, but I'm not that stupid. Having majored in Political Science in College and followed the news over the past 30 yrs, there is one thing I know, if you have the connections that Rufus claims, you either get hung out to dry or protected. So, Either he is insane or he has been hung out to dry. Either way we are not GOLDEN.
Mr. C, IMO, I would not convert my shares to certs. Let me explain why. OK, if for some reason Rufus does accomplish something and Certs are required, there would first have to be a public notice given as to a buy back or whatever gimmick is being used. Secondly if it is good news the PPS will rise based on that news and the fact that Certs are being requested. So what does that mean? The PPS should rise and only those who are able to trade will be able to sell into any type of run.
OK. so if he is correct and there is an attempt to short cover, well then we have a short squeeze that was promised. Yet if you have HCC you can not participate because you need to convert the certs into electronic shares.
Me? I'll take my chances with electronic shares and not put myself in the corner. But as I said that's just me.
GLTA Wally
Posted by minkybodl on :
Rufus just said that it will not be tied to a price per share, but a share for a share.
Posted by wallymac on :
OK, Rufus has a lot of bravado but since CSHD was suspended, not halted as Tex reminded me in the past(BIG DIFFERENCE)thanks TEX, name one thing that has been accomplished? If you say the answer to the SEC's charges he filed the other day, I'm sorry but it was no different than me having written a check to the bank for a mortgage payment knowing I had no funds to cover it. It buys a few days but doesn't address the problem.
So I will say that not only Rufus but JA and MA have done nothing to advance CSHD since the SEC stepped in. I for one ask why? Think about it? There have been many promises and self imposed deadlines that have passed and all anyone has gotten out of it is the response to "Have Faith".
Sorry, I and I'm sure many others bought this stock to make money not tithe to a church or a cause. That in essence is what we are being asked to do. We are being asked to "Trust or have Faith". OK, Trust is something, IMO, that is built upon past actions. There is nothing at this point in time that any OFFICER of CSHD has proven to be true, therefore no basis for trust. Faith, IMO, is the belief in something even though there is no proof that it is true. I reserve that for the metaphysical. Not for any human being. You make your own determination.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Wally,
You said you didn't listen last night...so I just want to tell you, you mentioned buy back....Rufus said that is not happening....just an FYI for you... Hope all is well... Posted by thesource on :
Some of you guys are finally waking up ........ once you are fully awake , this whole thing will lool totally ridiculous .
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I'll leave you guys alone . I won't post anything on this board again until more crap uh I mean filings are posted by CSHD and Dufus ......
Keep them heads burried deep and you'll be just fine .
bump
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Tex- they are making fun of you somethin fierce over there......
They just don't know you like we do....
sorry, don't know what/where you're talking about...
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I'll leave you guys alone . I won't post anything on this board again until more crap uh I mean filings are posted by CSHD and Dufus ......
Keep them heads burried deep and you'll be just fine .
bump
Alright ........ Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Tex- they are making fun of you somethin fierce over there......
On Rufus' site, not a big deal...
Posted by Jenna on :
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# Our bonds were given to us by Gov’t employees # Has a 10yr track record that is ghost like to many, and would make Keysor Soze’s spook story look small time # BBAN was a deal between friends, to help a friend out # Got his high profile connections through the world bond market # Has had a “minor” dealing of $500 billion USD with the Vatican to arrange finance deals # The VATICAN is not happy with their dealings with the US treasury department. Vatican not happy = Someone gonna sleep with the fishes # The carpet bombing has started # He originally planned to reform the railroads and steel market # $4 trillion mandate from the entire Hill to pump the money into the USA commodities market, the Chicago Merk # Part of a deal was $50 billion went to the removal and restoration of the Twin Towers # Gonna line up each of the MM’s on the stump # All will get to see the documents in court # Laid out long ago, there is a plan for shareholder exit # Game over for Wall Street, caught with their pants down, realized it but it was too late # Has also had a recent mandate from Congress # 90% of CSHD trading has been illegal. That means the 10% we traded from merger to halt was 27,212,960 shares, close to our float
# Default answered # This is a plan 4yrs in the making # Kapone had lunch with Mensah, they ate calamari, nuff said…. # Saul calling Rufus out on the air, Rufus shrugging shoulders wondering how to answer the nimrod… # Enough bashers on a supposed worthless 3 cent stock to prove something, fake PR’s put out, fake C&D orders # NOBO showing a gain of 2,204 shareholders since the last ADP pull in 10/06 # Some or all of the float is in Euroclear account # Crooked T/A, Texas crew, 500K preferred shares allowed to convert # Berlin exchange listing, without company authorization # Indictments, indictments, indictments. Did I mention indictments are coming? # The bad guys name list is a mile long, we know of a few (MA, DP, JG, Holbrooke, etc) but many more are rumored to be involved in this scheme # Georgia County Website has euroclear screenshots for the Caracas bonds, and board resolution notes # Atlewa Trust: DUNS number 169286403, Bartow County, Primary SIC: 6733, Number of Employees total: 2, what do we need to know here for the connection? # Atlewa Trust alive and well, is the connection to SEQOUIA that we’ve been missing, and has hundreds of millions of assets. # There is a connection to WAATLE, ATLEWA, SONGWI, other trusts, Enhancement Holdings, etc. # "35 Golden Eagle Dr" is a common denominator to a lot of the pre-CSHC due dilligence # 88M Waatle shares, last annual report to the Arizona Corp Commission was on 4/19/05, Paul Poetter as the Agent # ”They ARE the picture”. The folks and their expertise: Howard Schwartz – General Counsel, Brian Kanarek – Currency Trader, Gordon Mascarenhas – Raising Capital, Peter J. Croft – Policy underwriter with Lloyds # Our C.P.A. has a background in “forensic auditing” # Congressional committees are watching CSHD to straighten out naked short selling # SEC in DC signed off on assets # So many assets coming in that the gang could not process all of them, $15B on the horizon. # ”SEQUOIA HOLDING AG 7.00000 22/12/16”, what is the connection to CSHD?? 2 months of looking and still can’t find it. # Sequoia Asset Mgmt in Geneva, Rufus shows a connection to us, what is it?? /www.sequoia-asset-management.com/ # Deutsche Bank, ABN Amro Bank, Dresdner Bank and Kommerce Bank - “the foundation for our project funding platform” # A $5B Euro Venez bond with 11% coupon # A $749M Euro Finland bond with 6% coupon # A $500M Euro Venez bond with 13.625% coupon # A $450M Euro Lehman bond wtih 6.125% coupon (bond matured) # Total asset portfolio of bonds at today's EUR>USD conversion: $9.106 billion # Float is 37 million # 6:1 to be distributed in a TPR format, will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 # 272,129,600 shares traded from the time the merger 8/k came out, to the halt (6/19 – 10/23) # Could be past $15B in asset management after the first year # No grace period for shorters, they had a chance to contact Ben and now they will be hit hard # RICO charges will be filed, damages will need to be awarded to shareholders # TDA is short up the wazzoo, halted buying of CSHD to “protect the shareholders”. # Do not need stinking liquidity from the NSS, the company will get that from institutions. # Rufus has connections to U.N. and other high places # Some smelly connections going on to Interpol, an Ex-Treasury council member, etc # We will never see anything like what is coming
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Tex- they are making fun of you somethin fierce over there......
From Jenna's post above... # We will never see anything like what is coming That is so true...I never saw the likes of this coming...everything that has happened...Best statement in that whole list!
Posted by Murnak on :
Sub penny is replaying last night1
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
It appears the little interview last night fired up some buying pressure today. Almost 800k volume 6 months after dropping off the OTCBB. At these prices its impossible not to pick up a few gamblers. I kinda like it because im curious if these "new" shares will be any different that the old ones.
Its like June 06 again.....except back then I recall yelling "Just 20 cents and im out!"
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Did everyone listen to Mr. RPH today? Goood, now maybe everyone has their hopes up. Just sit down and relax, we have enough kool-aid for everyone. See? Now everythings alll better.
LOL, don't we wish.
Posted by Jenna on :
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Today at 4:37pm, searchoftruth wrote:You're right. Simon tried to pin him down but it sounded to me that the answer was higher than $4.00 per share and lower than $15.00. It is open to interpretation because Mr. Harris could not divulge what he was working on and he did not allow Simon to pin him down to anything. Hey, if its higher than $4.00 per share I won’t complain at all.
Today at 4:23pm, CrashDummy#1 wrote:
I have a question for you sir, How come you didn't mention MR Harris commenting, THAT! the NEXT deal WILL BE AS BIG OF A BANG AS WE HAVE ALREADY MADE AND EVEN BETTER THEN THAT
Now you sir HAVE A NICE DAY CRASH
actully he gave an example....our bv iS AT *72....so a merger into a new company with a buy in of * 36...and keep all shares.. possible scenerio, but waiting on whatever paul brings to the table.
Posted by Jenna on :
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Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,518 Karma: 1,050,084 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, May 2th « Reply #1052 on Today at 5:02pm »
Today at 4:58pm, maddog27 wrote:Just got home, and it appears Rufus has some fun last night.. I have no certs at all. Trying to figure out what was said about the whole cert issue. What is my fate? : as stated by Rufus. Is see something about being on the bottom of the list. Not sure since i didn't listen to SPR. Can someone help me out here. Thanks
heres what RPH said on the CERT subject.....
i have a thing put in place that will be quick... i have a trigger on it , the time is short...... if you are holding electronic shares .....i have told everyone on PR's and message boards to get HCC....
Posted by Jenna on :
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Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,518 Karma: 1,050,084 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, May 2th « Reply #1060 on Today at 5:09pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I am not saying that I felt he meant it was really similar. Matter of fact I had the opposite feeling like it was going to have similar impact as a buyout, but somehow sting the everloving crap out of the shorts again. like what ever it was will be specifically aimed at ther over extended A$$ and will put them in the hurt locker while making us less worried about CSHD's day to day.
Posted by T e x on :
Open question:
I'm still mystified about the "legit CEO" question, and last night when Simon called me, we discussed the issue. He seemed to think that at some point the Shareholders Committee had somehow replaced RPH...
so my question is, does anybody have links to *any* PR/filing re CEO removal that was directed by other than the BOD?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Im not sure which course they took, legally or not, to appoint whichever CEO in whichever time frame but Rufus Paul Harris is right beside CSHD on the court documents so it might as well be him in there fighting it.
I have a feeling a CEO will be announced very soon.....I also have a feeling it wont be Rufus. IMHO of course.
Posted by Jenna on :
I agree Mr. C....I wouldn't be surprised to hear Paul Poetter being named....
Posted by Igor R on :
Jenna become the new ceo and give us our damn money lol.
Posted by joan32 on :
hello everybody, havent been here in a while, i have a quick question... is anybody updating there information on the cshd share holders website. just asking for your opinions, THANK YOU in advance
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Jenna become the new ceo and give us our damn money lol.
How about a dividend of $36 per share?
By the way, my hubby is going to Alpharetta on Mother's day for 2 weeks for work!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by joan32: hello everybody, havent been here in a while, i have a quick question... is anybody updating there information on the cshd share holders website. just asking for your opinions, THANK YOU in advance
Hey you!! Do not do it yet...It isn't secure yet... Rufus said he will PR it when it's ready.... Posted by joan32 on :
thanks jenna, i will vote you for our new ceo, $36 sounds good to me Posted by Jenna on :
LOL...
Good Night All...
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by joan32: hello everybody, havent been here in a while, i have a quick question... is anybody updating there information on the cshd share holders website. just asking for your opinions, THANK YOU in advance
Found this on RPH's thread:
Re: Wednesday, May 2nd Part 2 « Reply #315 on Today at 6:24pm » ______________________________________________________________
Today at 6:23pm, waterguy wrote:
RPH - SENT MY INFO EARLY TODAY WILL I NEED TO SEND IT AGAIN? TIA ______________________________________________________________
No, once is good enough
GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Jenna become the new ceo and give us our damn money lol.
How about a dividend of $36 per share?
By the way, my hubby is going to Alpharetta on Mother's day for 2 weeks for work!!
Its a nice place , I guess im biased though.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Open question:
I'm still mystified about the "legit CEO" question, and last night when Simon called me, we discussed the issue. He seemed to think that at some point the Shareholders Committee had somehow replaced RPH...
so my question is, does anybody have links to *any* PR/filing re CEO removal that was directed by other than the BOD?
My take on this is that the SHC committee never had the authority to remove Rufus as CEO. It was an attempted Coup that JA PRed but never saw anything that backed it up. JA back tracked just like Mike Alexander did. If you look at the Website there isn't anyone listed as being on the BOD or as CEO. In reality, I doubt whether this has any bearing on CSHD.
I do have a question though for everyone/anyone, how is a HCC(Hard Copy Cert) easier or quicker to execute than an electronic cert? My understanding of HCC's is that one needs to sign it and send it to the TA or deposit it with a broker in order to trade it, whereas an electronic Cert can be sent via the DTCC ot the TA upon request.
Can anyone enlighten us to the REAL ramifications to HCC vs electronic Cert?
I mean if the DTCC and my broker who both cleared my trade and listed me on the NOBO list were to come back and say I don't own the shares that they previously said I owned, well I think they would be knee deep in trouble and the whole stock market that is cleared through the DTCC would also be in a world of hurt.
Does anyone really believe that TPTB would risk the market itself for a single stock? If so then Overstock, USXP or eagletech would have already brought them to their knees. I think the market still opens at 9:30 tommorrow morning since nothing has stated otherwise.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Im not sure which course they took, legally or not, to appoint whichever CEO in whichever time frame but Rufus Paul Harris is right beside CSHD on the court documents so it might as well be him in there fighting it.
I have a feeling a CEO will be announced very soon.....I also have a feeling it wont be Rufus. IMHO of course.
Now that I think about it...Would not the remaining board of directors or the current (at that time) second in command at CSHD have to appoint the successor CEO? Even if the current CEO is sick, can he just come out and say, I'm quitting ASAP and Rufus is taking over? I think that's where the proxy comes in, to vote on the new CEO and BOD.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally asks: Can anyone enlighten us to the REAL ramifications to HCC vs electronic Cert?
I admit that I am as clueless as the next in this game with CSHD But a guess would be that RPH is planning on "moving" this to a complete new trading format...I am not sure what it may be but there has been much "chatter" on it... So i would guess that when/if that time comes...the HCC will be honored first in receiving your shares for the new platform...if you have them in electronic form...the process will take longer... Why? Well if you use Etrade for your broker...and etrade does not deal with the "new platform"...then etrade would need to supply you with something saying that you have x amount of shares...or a HCC...and then you would need to take that and turn it into where ever the place would be for your "new shares".. that is the only possibility that I can forsee...
Posted by Jenna on :
10, what you are saying about the new platform is one of the theories & the other theory is that there will be a dividend given out & for some reason you will need your certs...they will be taken care of first...I don't know if that makes sense though...I think your idea makes more sense...
This is all speculation though, none of this has come from Rufus' mouth except for him saying to get them over & over...
Posted by PCola77 on :
How many of your certs do you have in hard copy Jenna?
Posted by Jenna on :
At the moment none, but I am going to order them when my funds clear....
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: At the moment none, but I am going to order them when my funds clear....
What Jenna, you're going to play RPH's wife in the movie and you don't have certs yet? He would be sad to hear that.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: At the moment none, but I am going to order them when my funds clear....
What Jenna, you're going to play RPH's wife in the movie and you don't have certs yet? He would be sad to hear that.
That will be the part of the movie that Rufus backhands her across the face in a drunken rage after he finds out she doesn't have certs...lol
Posted by Jenna on :
We just found out last night that my husbands cousin's child is sick....He's had a bad headache Sunday, his mother took him to the doctor on Monday...Doc couldn't find anything wrong...when they got home from the doctor, he threw up a few times, slumped over on the couch & passed out.....actually he went into a coma....
They found 3 tumors in his head....one is wrapped around the brain stem.....they say there nothing much they can do....they have tubes draining fluid from his head....Today they are going to try radiation just to see if by chance it will do anything.....but they aren't given much hope.....
PLEASE.... PLEASE...I know prayer can go a long way...PLEASE say a prayer for Dante...he is only 5 years old!!!
Thanks you all......
Posted by BooDog on :
My prayers go out to him and his family. So sad. So sorry.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: We just found out last night that my husbands cousin's child is sick....He's had a bad headache Sunday, his mother took him to the doctor on Monday...Doc couldn't find anything wrong...when they got home from the doctor, he threw up a few times, slumped over on the couch & passed out.....actually he went into a coma....
They found 3 tumors in his head....one is wrapped around the brain stem.....they say there nothing much they can do....they have tubes draining fluid from his head....Today they are going to try radiation just to see if by chance it will do anything.....but they aren't given much hope.....
PLEASE.... PLEASE...I know prayer can go a long way...PLEASE say a prayer for Dante...he is only 5 years old!!!
Thanks you all......
Sorry to hear that, Dante will be in my thoughts and prayers. Such a horrible thing....at ANY age. Posted by thesource on :
Thats horrible to hear ..... My cousin Rachel had something similiar happen to her last year when she went in for a routine eye exam and the doctor noticed something wasn't right with her vision .
Posted by T e x on :
Prayers underway...
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Adding my prayers also Jenna.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
for Dante
Posted by NEL on :
Prayers on the way from me as well.
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks Guys & Gals...I'll keep you updated....right now....he's still in a coma & outlook is very bad....
Posted by ruthie on :
Jenna, I too will be praying for Dante. Even when things look so bleak, we can have hope. We do serve a BIG God. Much bigger than any illness imaginable. Our prayers are going out to him and all his family.....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Thanks Guys & Gals...I'll keep you updated....right now....he's still in a coma & outlook is very bad....
That is so sad Jenna.....I will pray for Dante!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Very sorry to hear this Jenna all my prayers with Dante
Posted by 10of13 on :
It is very impressive that all of these people posted on the thread...with well wishes and prayers for Dante... Reading these comments renews my hope in people...and in an odd way without knowing him...I have Dante to thank for that... Sometimes reasons for things seem unknown...and yet...there is almost always a positive...even with something so horrible... Dante and his loved ones have my thoughts and prayers..
Posted by 6digits on :
Rufus has been threatened. Maybe God wants some sense and reason beat into him. GODBEAT
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Our thoughts are with you, Dante and your/his family...
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Lifted from RPH's board, just look at it for a few seconds:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Thanks Guys & Gals...I'll keep you updated....right now....he's still in a coma & outlook is very bad....
Jenna, My thoughts and well wishes are with you and you family. I hope that little Dante can somehow beat the odds.
Take care.
Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: It is very impressive that all of these people posted on the thread...with well wishes and prayers for Dante... Reading these comments renews my hope in people...and in an odd way without knowing him...I have Dante to thank for that... Sometimes reasons for things seem unknown...and yet...there is almost always a positive...even with something so horrible... Dante and his loved ones have my thoughts and prayers..
Well said 10...I feel the same way....There really is decency is the world yet...when it comes down to it we really all do care for others, & we may not even have to know them...God Bless All...
Posted by thesource on :
Any updates on Dante ?
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Let's all keep Dante in our prayers this weekend and have others in our churches pray for him also.
God Bless You Dante, and your family also.
Our Love in Christ, Mo
Posted by 3403 on :
Dante is in my prayers.
Posted by bilgert on :
Best of wishes to Dante and your family.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
So sorry to hear about Dante. Here's hoping he can beat the odds and pull through.
Sure puts losing money in CSHD in proper perspective as I am blessed with two healthy children. I can only imagine what his parents are going through right now.
Jo
Posted by a surfer on :
God bless you Dante...
Posted by milliam on :
Well said Jo4321, prayers sent for Dante and his family...May God bless!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hi everyone! Being without a computor has me in withdrawl.
Jenna, I'm so sorry to hear about Dante.He is in my prayers.
Going to check things out while I'm at a computor{sister -in laws }
Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Guys,
I see I haven't missed much....
OT: Dante is the same, still in a coma, & on a breathing machine...but I know your prayers are helping because he hasn't gotten any worse...He is pulling his hand away when they poke his finger with a neeedle...They want to take him to St. Jude's but he is to sick right now....He started radiation a few days ago & he's had a few sessions....I'm hoping he gets better enough to get to St. Jude's, there's been more than a few miracles performed there....
Good Night All...& take care...
Posted by thesource on :
Its amazing how fast some one can go from normal to on their death bed . Its also just as amazing how some one can make a full recovery from it . Hopefully they can get him to St. Judes . Atleast I'll know my donations are making a difference in someones life .
Posted by milliam on :
I'm trying to catch up on the other board and came across this one:
May 2, 2007, 9:02pm, h2omd0 wrote:Mr Harris, I have been really busy today, many meetings. I have thought alot about you and your safety. I listened to you last night and I really got concerned. You are fighting a evil bunch, they stop at nothing. I never really minded a fair fight, but the ones where you sense the evil, and know they will kill you if they can, are always the hardest. Nothing fair about them. You sir are covered, It is about good and evil, the book I have says good has already won. the evil beast is already dead he just does not know it yet. Leaving the money and time lines our of it, WE want you safe, God has given safety. You Sir can bank on that. God Has Already blessed, and delivered you. I needed to tell you,
God Bless you Sir
My Mother called tonight and used almost the same words
She also added that she was lead to tell me
Thank you, I have accepted the journey and he is the added strength
This has been one really outrageous path; I have seen some unbelievable things
Liars, thieves, gangsters, and people who will do anything and say anything even after they swear on the Bible in a Federal Court, All with no repercussions
I have been given a spiritual peace and I have no fear
I have seen pure evil in the form of individuals that looked me in the eye and stated they were sent to kill me, I watched as they were overcome and broken down
This also happened at the Ranch BBQ in Georgia on the second court date, with witnesses, a few of the witness I have learned and come to believe were part of the problem
Posted by 10of13 on :
Milliam...you were at that BBQ...any clue what he is talking about?
Is he trying to say he is Jesus? what the heck...
Posted by milliam on :
I got to the BBQ a little late, since I was actually at the courthouse, where they should have been. I don't know if I missed this part or what. I'd really like to know what actually happened and who the witnesses were. Its pretty darn interesting.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
More like David Koresh
Posted by milliam on :
Here's another from HSM that was brought up on the Paul's board:
DRD HSM Addict Rank: HSM BDO Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,088 I have been contacted
Tonight I am just a messenger after receiving communication from tutankhamen . Many will remember his postings on the Board . He wishes me to pass along in his words" he will return to make right the wrongs and in the days ahead we will hear more from him directly." He wishes nothing but the Best for CSHD SHAREHOLDERS.
Please do not PM me asking questions. Tut will in his own time speak and post to the Board.
thank you DRD
Posted by milliam on :
Coming full circle again???
Paul brought up Warrior Capital over on his board. I haven't read anything much about it, but people were wondering what connection it has to us.
Yesterday at 6:30pm, CrashDummy#1 wrote: Warrior Capital YOU SAY Hmmm? Do they have any affiliation to ATLEWA ...
Paul came back with this post: Come on Crash let me help you help yourself, Ok then How is William Tay?
Our old buddy William Tay...what memories we have all made from this .
Posted by 10of13 on :
No...No more TUT!!!
William Tay? Yep full circle...maybe this means the PPS will start to rise again...Oh look we are up 133% hahhah
Posted by milliam on :
Sorry guys if you don't want me to post stuff from the other board over here, but we seem to be pretty quiet and some of this stuff might be important...if any of its true. If its not true, we'll at least have a better understanding when the movie comes out .
Here's another: Yesterday at 8:33pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:I had a very interesting weekend!! Lets call it the beginning of negotiations with a interesting group!
Yesterday at 8:34pm, ronburgundy wrote: Booyah!! Were they U.S. citizens or from a foreign Government?
Paul's reply: Both less the word foreign.
Posted by milliam on :
But wait...there's more:
Yesterday at 11:15pm, scotty wrote:OK, I hate to sound greedy but I feel we are running out of time. The Cayman Islands (hedge funds) have milked this country for all its worth and are about to let it all go to h*ll and push the USD of the cliff it is teetering on. Not to mention the attention congress is giving them and the mountain of sour mortage paper they are sitting on about to take a fall, which will cause other fallouts like pensions and insurance. It may seem they have unlimited resources but even they can only take so much. I can only hope we can squeeze them for ours before they decide not to business anymore. Alright I feel better now, time to get off my greedy soapbox. Go RPH, Give them both barrels.
Paul's reply: It is very strange that you say that; we have been asked to draft a collateral system to save the failed Mortgage paper
Hmm some of you are very smart people or you are already in the I know boat
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Coming full circle again???
Paul brought up Warrior Capital over on his board. I haven't read anything much about it, but people were wondering what connection it has to us.
Yesterday at 6:30pm, CrashDummy#1 wrote: Warrior Capital YOU SAY Hmmm? Do they have any affiliation to ATLEWA ...
Paul came back with this post: Come on Crash let me help you help yourself, Ok then How is William Tay?
Our old buddy William Tay...what memories we have all made from this .
Haha, I contacted Paul about Warrior Capital last week. I also asked Paulfus in Public AND and I THINK in PM what type of "consulting" Warrior did for the company back in the day. I didnt actually get an answer.
For those of you that have been around a while might recall my conspiracy theories surrounding Warrior Capital (aka Darrel Uselton) several months ago.
I emailed the Ricci guy and gave him a number where he could reach me and he called me the very same night and went on and on about how Uselton setup a reverse merger for him and then ran the company into the ground with false PRs and shorted shares (I think through the help of the preferred shares they had for setting up the R/M). He told me, after some F bombs, that if I was invested ina company that EVER did business with Warrior to WATCH OUT!
Anyway, as I said....i didnt get any response when I posted it on that other board.
Is it possible to see "Sent items" on that board by the way. I cant recall who I asked what. LOL
Posted by PCola77 on :
This is all laughable. Or at least it would be if so many people didn't lose so much money.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: More like David Koresh
Boy you got that right !!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Coming full circle again???
Paul brought up Warrior Capital over on his board. I haven't read anything much about it, but people were wondering what connection it has to us.
Yesterday at 6:30pm, CrashDummy#1 wrote: Warrior Capital YOU SAY Hmmm? Do they have any affiliation to ATLEWA ...
Paul came back with this post: Come on Crash let me help you help yourself, Ok then How is William Tay?
Our old buddy William Tay...what memories we have all made from this .
Haha, I contacted Paul about Warrior Capital last week. I also asked Paulfus in Public AND and I THINK in PM what type of "consulting" Warrior did for the company back in the day. I didnt actually get an answer.
For those of you that have been around a while might recall my conspiracy theories surrounding Warrior Capital (aka Darrel Uselton) several months ago.
I emailed the Ricci guy and gave him a number where he could reach me and he called me the very same night and went on and on about how Uselton setup a reverse merger for him and then ran the company into the ground with false PRs and shorted shares (I think through the help of the preferred shares they had for setting up the R/M). He told me, after some F bombs, that if I was invested ina company that EVER did business with Warrior to WATCH OUT!
Anyway, as I said....i didnt get any response when I posted it on that other board.
Is it possible to see "Sent items" on that board by the way. I cant recall who I asked what. LOL
Mr Cat, I think if you click on your profile on pro boards you can view your sent posts.... I wonder why nobody repsonded to you if you posted that info! hehehe
new2, i was referring to PMs. I can see my incoming PMs but I dont see the sent messages. Anyway, as far as I could tell no one replied.
I also asked Poetter if he knew why the ETRD MM shows no trades since like November when I know for a fact that some shares were purchased through Etrade. No one seems to know how that works on the greys and he suggested asking Paulfus. I sent him a PM, i wont try to ask a question on the public boards and attempt to follow them for a response. That place is a total mess IMO.
Oh, no response from Rufus in PM but i sort of expected that.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: new2, i was referring to PMs. I can see my incoming PMs but I dont see the sent messages. Anyway, as far as I could tell no one replied.
I also asked Poetter if he knew why the ETRD MM shows no trades since like November when I know for a fact that some shares were purchased through Etrade. No one seems to know how that works on the greys and he suggested asking Paulfus. I sent him a PM, i wont try to ask a question on the public boards and attempt to follow them for a response. That place is a total mess IMO.
Oh, no response from Rufus in PM but i sort of expected that.
If you go to your PM messages on pro boards, click on "out box" .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
I saw someone on the other board earlier asking if we get certs where is the "purchased date" recorded? Im assuming he is concerned about the Oct 16th date and whether or not he can prove his shareholder status before 11/16.
Anyone know how that works?
Posted by dollar13 on :
TRUE LONGS IN HERE
THAT IS FOR SURE.
Posted by milliam on :
Let's add to some crazy stuff....Rufus/Paul is offering to gift 100,000 of his personal shares to each person that comes up with the best names for his next 3 foals. Its over on his board.
Yeah, I played .
Posted by 10of13 on :
So he's going to give you horse manure to name the animal that creates it?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
I played....I took "Koolaide" and "Subpenny"
But, then i saw we cant use trade names so i guess Koolaide is out. Oh well.....i already have a bunch of shares collecting dust I guess i dont need more
Posted by unclerudy on :
I suggested "Tradin' Dreams". That pretty much sums up what this stock has been.
Posted by Jenna on :
Hello Everyone,
I know a lot of you have PM'ed me to ask about our little cousin Dante....& I thought I would just update all of you because I know he has been in some of your prayers...Thank you to all of you who have asked about him, including Anissa:
I went to the hospital yesterday to see Dante...He is still in a coma....I went into his room & saw a tiny little head, a tiny little arm, & tubes everywhere....I had to leave the room within seconds because tears were rolling down my face & I didn't want to upset his parents all over again....It's strange because I am a nurse....but when it's a baby laying there it's totally different..( I know he is 5, but to me that is still a baby)...
He had tubes coming out of everywhere....The tubes that were draining fluid from his head somehow are not draining cancerous fluid but he still has 2 other tumors in his head...one burst...that's what caused the coma....no warning...no signs....just playing one day & in a coma the next...there really hasn't been much hope because one of the tumors is twisted around his brain stem so it's inoperable...The doctor's are trying radiation anyway just to see if the tumors shrink....He has had one treatment everyday for the past 4 days...& yesterday he had a catscan to see if the tumors are shrinking.....so far we don't know the results...
A nurse came in to suction him, his mom said he hates it....when the nurse was done suctioning him a tear rolled down his cheek...I couldn't help but notice his perfect little lips & how cute his little nose was despite the tubes coming from them....he looked like every child....he looked like everyone's baby....perfect...an angel
I had brought with me a St. Jude's Prayer Card & a small metal of St. Jude.....I noticed near his head, on his pillow, he had about 6 prayer cards, some were Mary, and some were Padre Peo, which are both are wonderful...but he did not have a St. Jude....I looked at his mother while holding the prayer card & metal, & she said,"Please go ahead put it down near his head, thank you." She took the medal of St.Jude & clipped it to a ribbon near his I.V. ...
His father came into the room & immediately noticed the St. Jude's Prayer card....HE PICKED IT UP & READ THE PRAYER....
After a while, his parents left the room to make some phone calls...In the meantime, I turned to his aunt, who is my cousin, & said, "Vivian, talk to him again, see what he does..." I said that because he seems to move his head just a tiny bit when Vivian talks to him....We went over to his bed, me, my husband, his aunt Vivian, & his grandmother....
Vivian leaned over, rubbed his hair on the side of his head & said, "Dante, wake up buddy, Uncle Chuckie's going to buy you a puppy, & it doesn't matter what daddy says, you getting one..." Just then Dante moved his head all the way toward Vivian's voice....I said,"Oh my gosh, Vivian keep going..."
Then Vivian said,"Dante, what kind of puppy do you want? Proably a Beagle right? You got to wake up so you can play with him.." Just then Dante did a full body stretch....just like someone does as they are about to wake up.....Vivan yelled,"Oh my gosh, he has never done that yet!!"
I ran out of the room & down the hall to get his parents.....& ran back...his parents were a few seconds behind me....
We told them what he did & they wanted everyone to demonstrate exactly what he did....His mom said,"He's never done that before!!"....unfortunetly he didn't do it again while his parents were in the room, but somehow we were still full of joy even if only for the moment....
So who knows....
Maybe the tumors are shrinking.... I know your prayers are working... Maybe just maybe if his daddy keeps reciting St. Jude's Prayer & maybe if we all keep praying for Dante we might just get a miracle.....
Thank you all & I truely mean it, Thank you...
Jenna
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Wow, Jenna. Goosebumps! Hope they have to buy that puppy!
Jo
Posted by 10of13 on :
Prayers are still coming Jenna...haven't stopped!
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Jenna, Still keeping prayerful thoughts for your cousin, Dante.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Wow, what an investigative reporter that Lee is....NOT! Seems like he just read the internet and summed it all up to his liking.
The grand jury stuff is interesting. I wonder where that's going on, if it still is. You would think we'd hear something from that one way or another.
The follow up articles should be interesting.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
To be perfectly honest, you could use MOST of that article as a timeline and recollection of what took place between early July late year and now. Ok, there are some consipiracy theories thrown in there as well but from what I can tell he mostly wrote about what is considered "fact" by a very large amount of people.
Its a keeper IMO but hopefully he is wrong about a couple of little details.......
Posted by T e x on :
odd that one of the anti-Webb comments following the article mentions Corey's role, as though the toxic financing somehow is contradictory to Webb's recap...
all in all, looks pretty accurate...nothing *jumps out* out at me as a glaring error, on first read...
Posted by Jenna on :
Your right Tex. The only thing that didn't settle with me was the part about Rufus being in jail for "the better part of a month"....
There is no evidence of that....Rufus stated he was in trouble for violating probation & was in jail over night...that is far from being a month.....
But everything else was really just a "recap"..
Posted by T e x on :
Jail time s/b public record...
"violating probation"? what was/is he on probation for? lol, I saw posts suggesting he was in a bar fight... I tend to ignore that stuff, however. As you know, if it doesn't contribute to the discussion, I get bored with it pretty quickly...
Posted by 10of13 on :
On SPR RPH said that he was on probation because of a prior mistake(indicating DUI or something)...he never really claimed what it was..and he wasn't suppose to be at any place that served alcohol...
Jenna...HAPPY NURSES WEEK!
Posted by thesource on :
I'm not sure about Georgia law but here in Texas , depending on what you are on probation for as to whether you get back out quickly or not . Most of the time the probation officer will file a "MTR" which means motion to revoke probation . This usually does mean the person spends about a month in jail until the judge hears the MTR and either lets them back out or does revoke their probation and force them to serve out their time in jail instead of on probation .
Point of the story is Rufus could have spent a month in jail very easily and I am not sure it would show up on public records at all .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Apparently Webb posted on that other board....I cant seem to find it but i guess it must have been in bad taste.
Rufus responded that once he is finished with the SEC and Market Manipulation, Mr Webb is next.
To save you the trouble "thesource", yes, im still following this and yes I will continue to as long as it doesnt interfere with my life in any way. Posted by frugalgranny on :
The arrest is verifiable. Here's the link. Remove the space and scroll down the page.
new story says a little over two weeks in da slammer...
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Even so...Big deal.
Just get back to work and get the company moving again.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Have you guys seen the "name the foals" contest RPH has got going over there? He's giving away CSHD shares as if they were karma-points, and we all know how much those are worth.
I think someone posted something about David Koresh and his following the other day? This is starting to look more like Jim Jones. They might want to start having their Kool-aid tested each morning.
Oh I forgot, RPH is a night person.
Posted by milliam on :
Webb has an updated article on the ********** site. FWIW.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Have you guys seen the "name the foals" contest RPH has got going over there? He's giving away CSHD shares as if they were karma-points, and we all know how much those are worth.
I think someone posted something about David Koresh and his following the other day? This is starting to look more like Jim Jones. They might want to start having their Kool-aid tested each morning.
Oh I forgot, RPH is a night person.
For those of you here not old enough to remember Jim Jones:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: On SPR RPH said that he was on probation because of a prior mistake(indicating DUI or something)...he never really claimed what it was..and he wasn't suppose to be at any place that served alcohol...
Jenna...HAPPY NURSES WEEK!
Thanks so much 10...That's very sweet!!!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well, my first real question on that "other" board and I get a halfazzed response from Rufus and actually im kind of insulted. I wonder if he knew i was one of his supporters. I think ill throw a new conspiracy theory up every night.....ive got my own brand of koolaide and im going to start serving it. -------------------------------------
Yesterday at 6:20pm, mrcatiaengineer wrote: Im drinking a beer and poking around tonight, looking through some "older" CSHD stuff and I have a question. Maybe Mr Harris can answer this, or maybe someone else understands it enough to explain it.
Back when Mr Harris was given that "Republican of the Year" award I always understood it was related to a cash donation to a political campaign...but maybe i was only half right. Here it shows that it wasnt cash, it was shares.....12000 actually. Were these accounted for someplace? I see here that the guy who received them filed but where is "our" filing?
That has got to be the craziest theory I have heard yet, I paid nothing at all for any of the awards, If you contribute to a campaign it is reported annually!!
You definitely get the “CrashDummy of the Year Award” No shares included, Sorry
5,000,000 Karma to the one that creates the best CrashDummy Award Photo
Being a supporter of yours this post sort of irritates me because its a legitimate question regardless of it being a "theory". Not to mention, I also asked about the 12000 listed as either institutional shares or insider shares and you basically skipped over that question.
Maybe beer influenced you as well?
I did NOT start the theory that you "bought" that award, that theory has been around for quite some time now, and please dont pretend you are not aware of that. Im just following up on some old "leads" and I apologize if those leads are not tainted in koolaide. To be perfectly honest, in a later post I mentioned that those shares were looking a lot like "institutional" shares, which I consider a good thing.
More theories to follow.........i hope you enjoy them as much as the last one. But maybe you will find the time to actually respond to the post instead of criticizing me. I maybe a Harris supporter but im not a blind one.
Oh, and about that "crashdummy of the year karma". Keep it, this karma means squat compared to the karma ive developed in my "real life". Im a good person and the best part is my TRUE karma is not in question.......can you say the same "dude"?
I expected more from you.....but hey, im getting used to being let down.
Mr C
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
By the way, reading on more I see that he says he was just poking fun.
Things are quite "sensitive" these days for fun poking but such is life.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: By the way, reading on more I see that he says he was just poking fun.
Things are quite "sensitive" these days for fun poking but such is life.
Of course he's going to say that! He doesn't want anyone to think that he is a mean person! We all know what an honest, kind and considerate guy he is! How Christian like would it be to actually mean anything by his "fun poking" reponse to your post?
Help!! I'm out of kool aide!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Lee Webb sure is busy!
http://www.stock watch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-684812-U:CSHD&symbol=CSHD&news_r egion=U
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...new2...Kool-aide with draw?
Posted by T e x on :
from the latest article (ital my emphasis):
quote:Tracing through the murky morass, if a legally constituted board of directors dismissed Mr. Harris and did not get around to appointing a successor, and if Mr. Alexander did not have the requisite voting power to give effect to the subsequently announced corporate changes, it may well be that Conversion has not had a properly appointed chief executive officer since Nov. 2, 2006.
exactly what I've been trying to pin down...
Posted by new2stocks on :
From songwi website: Solutions for Tomorrows Transportation and Energy Needs Today
from cvsu website: Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Tomorrow's Solutions Today
ahhh any similarities here?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Agreed Tex...and Webb is pointing to what/who I believe to be the "true crook"...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hey Tex, you should enjoy Webbs latest article. It goes into the toxic financing with a bit of detail. I still think Webb is a jerk but as ive said...there is SOME truth to what he writes, and maybe even more than any of us realize yet.
edit : OOPS nevermind, you already saw it. Im not used to you being on this early in the day...whats with that? Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: By the way, reading on more I see that he says he was just poking fun.
Things are quite "sensitive" these days for fun poking but such is life.
Of course he's going to say that! He doesn't want anyone to think that he is a mean person! We all know what an honest, kind and considerate guy he is! How Christian like would it be to actually mean anything by his "fun poking" reponse to your post?
Help!! I'm out of kool aide!
Yea well, ill have more questions for him later. Eventually maybe i will get a straight answer instead of "fun poking".
Im assuming you didnt think highly of his response either eh? Posted by Igor R on :
When did the songwi site get updated? Last time I was there, there was info on CSHD up.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Im assuming you didnt think highly of his response either eh? [/QB]
Posted by new2stocks on :
Originally posted by stockdiesel
What is more intersting, is the person who registered the domain name.
Domain Name: SONGWI.US Domain ID: D7314431-US Sponsoring Registrar: .US REGISTRAR L.L.C. Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited Registrant ID: 39096528 Registrant Name: Conversion Solutions Inc. Registrant Organization: Conversion Solutions Inc. Registrant Address1: P.O. Box 4 Registrant City: Adairsville Registrant State/Province: GA Registrant Postal Code: 30103 Registrant Country: United States Registrant Country Code: US Registrant Phone Number: 1.678767921 Registrant Facsimile Number: 1.404393982 Registrant Email: no.valid.email*worldnic.com Registrant Application Purpose: P1 Registrant Nexus Category: C32/US
Administrative Contact ID: 39096528 Administrative Contact Name: Conversion Solutions Inc. Administrative Contact Organization: Conversion Solutions Inc. Administrative Contact Address1: P.O. Box 4 Administrative Contact City: Adairsville Administrative Contact State/Province: GA Administrative Contact Postal Code: 30103 Administrative Contact Country: United States Administrative Contact Country Code: US Administrative Contact Phone Number: 1.678767921 Administrative Contact Facsimile Number: 1.404393982 Administrative Contact Email: no.valid.email*worldnic.com Administrative Application Purpose: P1 Administrative Nexus Category: C32/US
Billing Contact ID: 39096529 Billing Contact Name: Rufus Paul Harris Billing Contact Organization: Conversion Solutions Inc. Billing Contact Address1: P.O. Box 4 Billing Contact City: Adairsville Billing Contact State/Province: GA Billing Contact Postal Code: 30103 Billing Contact Country: United States Billing Contact Country Code: US Billing Contact Phone Number: 1.678767921 Billing Contact Facsimile Number: 1.404393982 Billing Contact Email: Harris*cshd.us
Technical Contact ID: 39096528 Technical Contact Name: Conversion Solutions Inc. Technical Contact Organization: Conversion Solutions Inc. Technical Contact Address1: P.O. Box 4 Technical Contact City: Adairsville Technical Contact State/Province: GA Technical Contact Postal Code: 30103 Technical Contact Country: United States Technical Contact Country Code: US Technical Contact Phone Number: 1.678767921 Technical Contact Facsimile Number: 1.404393982 Technical Contact Email: no.valid.email*worldnic.com Technical Application Purpose: P1 Technical Nexus Category: C32/US Name Server: NS57.WORLDNIC.COM Name Server: NS58.WORLDNIC.COM Created by Registrar: .US REGISTRAR L.L.C. Last Updated by Registrar: .US REGISTRAR L.L.C. Domain Registration Date: Sun Feb 13 20: 59: 58 GMT 2005 Domain Expiration Date: Tue Feb 12 23: 59: 59 GMT 2008 Domain Last Updated Date: Sun Feb 13 21: 00: 13 GMT 2005 >>>> Whois database was last updated on: Fri May 11 18: 15: 16 GMT 2007
Posted by 10of13 on :
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I like the harris*cshd.us EMAIL address.
LOL
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Im assuming you didnt think highly of his response either eh?
[/QB]
Well, there was a lot more to this than I knew this morning. It has been cleared up between Paul and I and I finally understand what he meant.
I still wish he would have explained that 12000 shares! LOL
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Im assuming you didnt think highly of his response either eh?
Well, there was a lot more to this than I knew this morning. It has been cleared up between Paul and I and I finally understand what he meant.
I still wish he would have explained that 12000 shares! LOL [/QB]
Well that's good then Mr Cat, I'd hate to think that he really meant those things! I wonder what he did mean? Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
new2,
He told me it was more directed at Crashdummy than me, i was caught in the crossfire because of my "silly theory". And, it wasnt even meant as "harmful" towards Crashdummy....just teasing.
Im new to that board so misunderstandings can happen and I did over react a bit but he took the time to explain himself regardless.
No harm, no foul.....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: new2,
He told me it was more directed at Crashdummy than me, i was caught in the crossfire because of my "silly theory". And, it wasnt even meant as "harmful" towards Crashdummy....just teasing.
Im new to that board so misunderstandings can happen and I did over react a bit but he took the time to explain himself regardless.
No harm, no foul.....
I see...ok yes when you quote/respond to people on there, it can get confusing as to who you are responding to. I see where the confusion was! Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well, actually he quoted my post correctly...and he did point out that my theory was crazy, but the crashdummy part went over my head at first.
Have a great weeekend folks!
Posted by Jenna on :
Perhaps CSHD will become Songwi....I have suspected for a while now that Paul Poetter would be our new CEO...we will see....
By the way, I ordered my certs on Monday...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Perhaps CSHD will become Songwi....I have suspected for a while now that Paul Poetter would be our new CEO...we will see....
By the way, I ordered my certs on Monday...
Perhaps CSHD was always meant to be songwi
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Agreed Tex...and Webb is pointing to what/who I believe to be the "true crook"...
I assume you're referring to either MA, CR...or both, eh?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Well, actually he quoted my post correctly...and he did point out that my theory was crazy, but the crashdummy part went over my head at first.
Have a great weeekend folks!
So...how was it crazy? Sounded like pretty decent questions, to me...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Well, actually he quoted my post correctly...and he did point out that my theory was crazy, but the crashdummy part went over my head at first.
Have a great weeekend folks!
So...how was it crazy? Sounded like pretty decent questions, to me...
I think he meant the "paying to get the award" theory being crazy. It either is crazy or the truth hurts. Posted by new2stocks on :
Thats the exact response I figured the SEC would file against Rufus's wanna be answer . Its over guys . Notice how they said he had until "x" date to respond ? Thats why this is in default . Now all the SEC is doing behind the scenes is gathering evidence for a criminal case against Rufus and probably Michael Alexander not to mention the people that directly profitted from this scam .
I am glad Rufus filed that stupid answer because it forced the SEC to show us their hand . Before they couldn't do it because it was not public knowledge ........
Its time for me to go ahead and file my suit against the company since I foresee this company going into receivership probably by the end of the year . Without an attorney , I will win the suit by default , just not sure what exactly there is to be had anymore . Posted by 66inxs on :
source i hope that the sec does something to declare the financials filed with them fraudulant as i am going to file a complaint with the state board of accountancy against the cpa's who certified them to prevent them from ever doing that again.
looks like the fat lady finally sang!!!!
Posted by T e x on :
once again, no surprise...
Posted by fhalyesss on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: MOTION TO STRIKE ANSWER
Thats the exact response I figured the SEC would file against Rufus's wanna be answer . Its over guys . Notice how they said he had until "x" date to respond ? Thats why this is in default . Now all the SEC is doing behind the scenes is gathering evidence for a criminal case against Rufus and probably Michael Alexander not to mention the people that directly profitted from this scam .
I am glad Rufus filed that stupid answer because it forced the SEC to show us their hand . Before they couldn't do it because it was not public knowledge ........
Its time for me to go ahead and file my suit against the company since I foresee this company going into receivership probably by the end of the year . Without an attorney , I will win the suit by default , just not sure what exactly there is to be had anymore .
lol Posted by jipper on :
looks like my name is not going to be good for this thread, trust me I am no prophet for this stock, but am a mere weary holder....
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: source i hope that the sec does something to declare the financials filed with them fraudulant as i am going to file a complaint with the state board of accountancy against the cpa's who certified them to prevent them from ever doing that again.
looks like the fat lady finally sang!!!!
I think the SEC has alot more on CSHD than they are letting the general public know . They would not have released this info if Dufus would not have filed the crap he did . I am sure they are covering all bases and making sure all the "i" are dotted and the "t" are crossed before going further on this . You won't see criminal action from the SEC , it will be coming in form of a federal case from the FBI .
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Does this mean I will be getting one of his horses? Remember I had first dibbs...
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: MOTION TO STRIKE ANSWER
If you DD that site its some crazy person named frank
Happy mothers day to all the mothers reading the thread!
Just popping around bored this evening. Lurked through to see whats on the boards.
Posted by frank021474 on :
hello **pin drop**
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Game over!
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Game over!
LOL you said that on HSM.......game over will be an interesting game right?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: hello **pin drop**
is the sound of the hive-mind's second attention, recognizing the air-whoosh in silence...just before the other shoe hits the floor
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: hello **pin drop**
is the sound of the hive-mind's second attention, recognizing the air-whoosh in silence...just before the other shoe hits the floor
Definately will be interesting to see.....look forward to it Posted by fhalyesss on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Game over!
lol Posted by thesource on :
Its been game over but most people cannot or choose not to see it . CSHD is in default and at this point , I'm not sure hiring an attorney will do much for them .
Posted by fhalyesss on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Its been game over but most people cannot or choose not to see it . CSHD is in default and at this point , I'm not sure hiring an attorney will do much for them .
lol Posted by Stockstar69 on :
No transactions...alas, is this the end?
Posted by milliam on :
Over? Here's my usual response:
Over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?....
I think it might finally be the beginning. We might finally get to see who's really right and who's really wrong. I'm pretty sure it isn't over by a long shot. If nothing else, we'll have plenty to talk about.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: MOTION TO STRIKE ANSWER
Thats the exact response I figured the SEC would file against Rufus's wanna be answer . Its over guys . Notice how they said he had until "x" date to respond ? Thats why this is in default . Now all the SEC is doing behind the scenes is gathering evidence for a criminal case against Rufus and probably Michael Alexander not to mention the people that directly profitted from this scam .
I am glad Rufus filed that stupid answer because it forced the SEC to show us their hand . Before they couldn't do it because it was not public knowledge ........
Its time for me to go ahead and file my suit against the company since I foresee this company going into receivership probably by the end of the year . Without an attorney , I will win the suit by default , just not sure what exactly there is to be had anymore .
I went ahead and passed this on to "the man" for ya. Judging by your post you know exactly what the SEC and FBI are doing so you are either "in the know" with one of the government agencies or totally "full of it". In either case im sure you will get the answers you are looking for.
Good luck to ya!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Over? Here's my usual response:
Over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?....
I think it might finally be the beginning. We might finally get to see who's really right and who's really wrong. I'm pretty sure it isn't over by a long shot. If nothing else, we'll have plenty to talk about.
When the hell did the Germans bomb Pearl Habor ? Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: MOTION TO STRIKE ANSWER
Thats the exact response I figured the SEC would file against Rufus's wanna be answer . Its over guys . Notice how they said he had until "x" date to respond ? Thats why this is in default . Now all the SEC is doing behind the scenes is gathering evidence for a criminal case against Rufus and probably Michael Alexander not to mention the people that directly profitted from this scam .
I am glad Rufus filed that stupid answer because it forced the SEC to show us their hand . Before they couldn't do it because it was not public knowledge ........
Its time for me to go ahead and file my suit against the company since I foresee this company going into receivership probably by the end of the year . Without an attorney , I will win the suit by default , just not sure what exactly there is to be had anymore .
I went ahead and passed this on to "the man" for ya. Judging by your post you know exactly what the SEC and FBI are doing so you are either "in the know" with one of the government agencies or totally "full of it". In either case im sure you will get the answers you are looking for.
Good luck to ya!
To tha man huh ??? Who exactly might that be might I ask ??? I hope you are not referencing to Rufus as the man .......
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I take it you've never seen Animal House?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I take it you've never seen Animal House?
If you were asking me that question , yes I've seen it but it was years ago .
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I agree with you Milliam. Lots to talk about and the future will be interesting.
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Over? Here's my usual response:
Over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?....
I think it might finally be the beginning. We might finally get to see who's really right and who's really wrong. I'm pretty sure it isn't over by a long shot. If nothing else, we'll have plenty to talk about.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I take it you've never seen Animal House?
If you were asking me that question , yes I've seen it but it was years ago .
that line is from animal house
Posted by thesource on :
With all the DD you've invested in this company , you guys should do yourself a favor and do some on the legal system and how civil and criminal procedures work . Once you do that , you will see just how full of crap Rufus is .
Default Judgement :
At trial, a decision awarded to the plaintiff when a defendant fails to contest the case. To appeal a default judgment, a defendant must first file a motion in the court that issued it to have the default vacated (set aside).
Pro Se :
A Latin phrase meaning "for himself" or "in one's own behalf." This term denotes a person who represents herself in court. It is used in some states in place of "in pro per" and has the same meaning.
quote:Originally posted by thesource: With all the DD you've invested in this company , you guys should do yourself a favor and do some on the legal system and how civil and criminal procedures work . Once you do that , you will see just how full of crap Rufus is .
Default Judgement :
At trial, a decision awarded to the plaintiff when a defendant fails to contest the case. To appeal a default judgment, a defendant must first file a motion in the court that issued it to have the default vacated (set aside).
Pro Se :
A Latin phrase meaning "for himself" or "in one's own behalf." This term denotes a person who represents herself in court. It is used in some states in place of "in pro per" and has the same meaning.
You know it is interesting how the SEC can not read a simple Docket report.
Because Item 14 filed 4/24/2007 clearly states that the answer filed was for Defendant Rufus Paul Harris. It makes no mention of Defendant Conversion Solutions, and yet they are still confused enought to add this to their fact list as to reasons the Answer should be striken.
"04/24/2007 14 ANSWER to Complaint by Rufus Paul Harris.Discovery ends on 1/22/2008.(vs) Please visit our website at http://www.gand.uscourts.gov to obtain Pretrial Instructions. (Entered: 04/25/2007)"
And before you go and say the docket says "by" and not for, you should familiarize yourself with a docket report. "by" is the party in reguards. While "as to" is the party as which it pertains. Here are some other examples from the same report.
"11/16/2006 10 MOTION for Clerk's Entry of Default as to defendant Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp by Securities and Exchange Commission. (Black, Alana) (Entered: 11/16/2006)"
"11/28/2006 12 MOTION for Clerk's Entry of Default as to Defendant Rufus Paul Harris by Securities and Exchange Commission. (Black, Alana) (Entered: 11/28/2006)"
"05/11/2007 15 MOTION to Strike 14 Answer to Complaint with Brief In Support by Securities and Exchange Commission. (Black, Alana) (Entered: 05/11/2007)"
There is no confusion when you look at it from the docket report? Why is the SEC playing dumb in the motion when they wrote this?
"ARGUMENT While the document that Harris filed on April 24, 2007 is somewhat garbled, Plaintiff’s understanding is that Harris is attempting to answer both on behalf of himself individually and on behalf of Conversion."
Something is not right IMO.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
IMO the docket entry on 4/24 would have to read as the following to be an answer for both defendants.
"04/24/2007 14 ANSWER to Complaint as to defendant Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp and Defendant Rufus Paul Harris by Rufus Paul Harris.Discovery ends on 1/22/2008.(vs) Please visit our website at http://www.gand.uscourts.gov to obtain Pretrial Instructions. (Entered: 04/25/2007)"
The docket report is specifically formated for this purpose... to remove confusion.
Posted by thesource on :
The simple fact is , no matter if the SEC is in error , Rufus still does not have an attorney to make this point for him and there for the judge will likely grant the SEC's motion to strike it down .
Posted by T e x on :
not following you, there, TaxBack...
RPH's response dated 4-24 has this as a header:
"DEFENDANT CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDING'S ANSWER AND DEFENSES TO COMPLAINT FOR INJUNCTIVE AND OTHER RELIEF"
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: not following you, there, TaxBack...
RPH's response dated 4-24 has this as a header:
"DEFENDANT CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDING'S ANSWER AND DEFENSES TO COMPLAINT FOR INJUNCTIVE AND OTHER RELIEF"
Yes that is the title of the document imediately followed by "COMES NOW, RUFUS PAUL HARRIS, ("Defendant"}, in the above styled action, and hereby files its Defenses and Answer to the plaintiff's Complaint showing the Court as follows :", but I am talking the manner in which it is filed and reported on the docket itself.
"04/24/2007 14 ANSWER to Complaint by Rufus Paul Harris.Discovery ends on 1/22/2008." If it was filed for Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp it would say so right here. It does not. It is like a reciept given out at the end of a transaction. It says what was filed when it was filed for whom it was filed, who filed it, and who filed it for them in their behalf. The way it reads it was an answer to the complaint for Defendant Rufus Paul Harris... No mention of "as to Defendant Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp" or "()" at the end denoting an attourney responsible for the filing.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The simple fact is , no matter if the SEC is in error , Rufus still does not have an attorney to make this point for him and there for the judge will likely grant the SEC's motion to strike it down .
That is not true. Harris can represent HIMSELF against the SEC. (It is not smart to do so. IMO) If the filed answer is infact filed in response to the complaint for Mr. Harris ONLY. There would be no reason to strike except for the timelyness of the answer itself. And that is a poor reason to strike IMO. It is not like the SEC has been real speedy in their "expidited" discovery.
Posted by milliam on :
Ok Tax, if you're correct...what about the company? Is Rufus just going to answer for himself and forget about the company?
I kind of agree that the SEC's answer isn't the best thing they could do (or maybe it is ), but I still think we need a lawyer. I really hate to agree with thesource....REALLY .
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Ok Tax, if you're correct...what about the company? Is Rufus just going to answer for himself and forget about the company?
I kind of agree that the SEC's answer isn't the best thing they could do (or maybe it is ), but I still think we need a lawyer. I really hate to agree with thesource....REALLY .
My thoughts are that Mr. Harris realy believes a quick win of his case clears up any wrong doing of the company. I personally think the approach is risky, but if you got an ace up your sleeve. The risk is greatly reduced.
I don't know how this is going to end, but it would not surprise me if the motion to strike gets granted. The default IMO should have never been granted either but it was the very next day.
The court case does not seem to be very clean. Filings and case evidence from both parties seem very sloppy. While the judge has done nothing to try and clean up the proceedings.
I know Mr. Harris's excuse since he has yet to reveal a legal team, but what excuse does the SEC have? Posted by milliam on :
I agree, the case is pretty muddy..at least the parts we've seen. Hopefully it will all come out in the wash .
Posted by milliam on :
Related, unrelated...I'm not sure but...
I just got the financial statement from Penson (Choicetrade's financial people), they have a large amount of "securities sold, not yet purchased"...$15,605,307 worth. I guess "shorting" a stock in this way doesn't add fake shares to the market, but it does put fake shares into someone's account. This would take buyers out of the market without actually taking shares out. I would think this would let the price slide. I assume this is legal, but should it really be? They do at least show these under "liabilites".
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Ok Tax, if you're correct...what about the company? Is Rufus just going to answer for himself and forget about the company?
I kind of agree that the SEC's answer isn't the best thing they could do (or maybe it is ), but I still think we need a lawyer. I really hate to agree with thesource....REALLY .
My thoughts are that Mr. Harris realy believes a quick win of his case clears up any wrong doing of the company. I personally think the approach is risky, but if you got an ace up your sleeve. The risk is greatly reduced.
I don't know how this is going to end, but it would not surprise me if the motion to strike gets granted. The default IMO should have never been granted either but it was the very next day.
The court case does not seem to be very clean. Filings and case evidence from both parties seem very sloppy. While the judge has done nothing to try and clean up the proceedings.
I know Mr. Harris's excuse since he has yet to reveal a legal team, but what excuse does the SEC have?
Ace up his sleeve = "sealed" envelope he gave the Judge as evidence?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Ok Tax, if you're correct...what about the company? Is Rufus just going to answer for himself and forget about the company?
I kind of agree that the SEC's answer isn't the best thing they could do (or maybe it is ), but I still think we need a lawyer. I really hate to agree with thesource....REALLY .
My thoughts are that Mr. Harris realy believes a quick win of his case clears up any wrong doing of the company. I personally think the approach is risky, but if you got an ace up your sleeve. The risk is greatly reduced.
I don't know how this is going to end, but it would not surprise me if the motion to strike gets granted. The default IMO should have never been granted either but it was the very next day.
The court case does not seem to be very clean. Filings and case evidence from both parties seem very sloppy. While the judge has done nothing to try and clean up the proceedings.
I know Mr. Harris's excuse since he has yet to reveal a legal team, but what excuse does the SEC have?
lotsa confusion here... 1) I think you're talking about, maybe, a clerical error...at worst re whatever clerk typed up the docket. That may lead back to the "answer" itself, in that RPH does attempt to answer for both himself *and* the company. That alone is sufficient grounds for the strike.
2) What RPH "believes" has nothing whatsoever to do with it...court procedure is what it is, regardless of anyone's beliefs...to be able to answer (for himself, not the company) he would first have to enter a motion to set aside the default...with an argument compelling enough to have the motion granted.
3) The default was granted because no one bothered to respond, for whatever reason. It was a slam dunk.
4) What can the judge "clean up"? The SEC asked for what it wanted and got it without a fight...
5) What excuse? The SEC made its request, the request was granted, and they continue to compile evidence for whatever further actions they're contemplating, which at *the least* seem to be an order for disgorgement.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I think Harris's ace is "transparency"... so simple it is just too stupid to not be true.
Here is the thing... If Mr. Harris is honest in his claims on SPR that he went home after the original hearing in Oct and told all the Board members to leave the office and not return until instructed to do so after the SEC case. Then how did all the other happenings in company occur? The CEO was ousted the main office moved to Dallas, several filings including an 8K and a few Form 4's, PR's including a return of all November board members. If Mr. Harris is sitting on his hands with the office keys in his pocket, Ben is at home, the lights on the office are dark, and the phone ringing off the hook. How has any of this other stuff transpired?
If he get's his day in court and he reveals "transparent honesty", meaning he kept all his reciepts so to speak. The contracts with signatures are blown up in high resolution on the court projector, he has dotted all the (i)'s and crosed all the (t)'s, and sits up there and gives straight forward verifyable/indisputable fact as his defense. The SEC is going to look like a conspiracy theorist with their lack of evidence and Tim Miles theory.
You can't trump honesty, you can try and spin it and even dispute it as fiction. But I see Mr. Harris as extreemly confident, and this is indicitive of someone who has something worth fighting for, knows they are right, and who feels they can win.
If he is a liar, and a cheat, and CSHD is nothing but a stack of made up Photoshopped Euroclear screen printouts as some are saying. Then I would have to say he is the most confident liar and cheat holding nothing but air I have ever witnessed. Because he is about neck deep in a situation where only an honest man is going to prevail, and he is about 6 months late on his plane trip to a non-extradition soverign.
Oh yeah I still believe the SEC does not want this case to make trial. I don't think they can afford for it to make trial when they still have little or nothing. IMO the motion to strike was the next logical step in attempting to put this case to bed without a court date.
My favorite part and the REAL Question is however... that the last request in Mr. Harris's answer was "a give me a trial?" And the SEC is saying please strike this we are still gathering evidence to proove our case. If I were Judge I would think that due process means that if the Defendant wants a trail, and the Plaintif wants to say we are right so strike this. Then I would say fine let's sent this too court and see what evidence the Plaintif has to proove they are right.
Honestly, I never thought six months down the road Paul would be begging for a trial and the SEC is playing dumb and trying to get the case closed on no evidence.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Ok Tax, if you're correct...what about the company? Is Rufus just going to answer for himself and forget about the company?
I kind of agree that the SEC's answer isn't the best thing they could do (or maybe it is ), but I still think we need a lawyer. I really hate to agree with thesource....REALLY .
My thoughts are that Mr. Harris realy believes a quick win of his case clears up any wrong doing of the company. I personally think the approach is risky, but if you got an ace up your sleeve. The risk is greatly reduced.
I don't know how this is going to end, but it would not surprise me if the motion to strike gets granted. The default IMO should have never been granted either but it was the very next day.
The court case does not seem to be very clean. Filings and case evidence from both parties seem very sloppy. While the judge has done nothing to try and clean up the proceedings.
I know Mr. Harris's excuse since he has yet to reveal a legal team, but what excuse does the SEC have?
lotsa confusion here... 1) I think you're talking about, maybe, a clerical error...at worst re whatever clerk typed up the docket. That may lead back to the "answer" itself, in that RPH does attempt to answer for both himself *and* the company. That alone is sufficient grounds for the strike.
2) What RPH "believes" has nothing whatsoever to do with it...court procedure is what it is, regardless of anyone's beliefs...to be able to answer (for himself, not the company) he would first have to enter a motion to set aside the default...with an argument compelling enough to have the motion granted.
3) The default was granted because no one bothered to respond, for whatever reason. It was a slam dunk.
4) What can the judge "clean up"? The SEC asked for what it wanted and got it without a fight...
5) What excuse? The SEC made its request, the request was granted, and they continue to compile evidence for whatever further actions they're contemplating, which at *the least* seem to be an order for disgorgement.
1a.)"a clerical error...at worst" That is one heck of a clerical error. HAHA!! Your funny.
2a.)"What RPH "believes" has nothing whatsoever to do with it..." In the context above it make alot of since. Especially since it is in reguards to how Mr. Harris is approaching his own legal defense if any at all.
3a.)"The default was granted because no one bothered to respond, for whatever reason." I do not have enough information to know if it was that cut and dried. I hear rumor that both CSHD and Mr. Harris were not served properly in the first place. Then you have the fact that Mr. Harris did show up in court and provided evidence on site, so it is not like he was totally ignoring the complaint. Default is usually reserved for cases where NO response is given. Showing up to court and putting evidence in hand is not a formal write up but should have been enough to stave off a Default Motion.
4a.)"What can the judge "clean up"?" HIS PROCEEDINGS... I did not studder. If someone brought a case to me and said this person stole money, but we have no evidence. And the other guy says I don't have an attourney. And I say to one party... "Quick go get edvidence and be back soon." and then say to the other party... "Quick go get an attourney and be back soon." And then 6 months later both return and neither has done what I had asked. As a Federal Judge I would either throw them both in jail or throw them both out. This case is in a sad state for both parties and the Judge is somewhat responsible because he is ignoring it.
5a.) "What excuse?" Your right ther is no excuse for the SEC not having ANY evidence at this point. They should have went for damages the day after the default was granted. Why wait? What is the hold up?
Why am I debating this with you of ALL people TEX?
I am not near this battle field, and from my perspective I have very little idea of the strategy and status of either of the opposing sides. I qualified my statements with "My thoughts" and they are based on what "I have witnessed" which I admit freely is very limited. You on the other hand speak as if you know the strategies of this case as fact. How close are you to the battle field? Personally, I am willing to gamble that you are no closer than I, and are just being combative because of emotion, or motive/agenda. Which basically means ANY debate is a total waste of time, I don't feel your emotion if you have any, and I definitely do not share your motive/agenda if you have any.
I just want to see the case end, and justice served. As a proud shareholder, ofcourse I would like to see CSHD prevail, but if wrong was done then action should be taken good or bad.
Posted by TimW on :
Whats comical is how people can believe any document posted on the internet, especially from a non official source.
I could write up any court appeal i feel like and post it on my website and that makes it valid... how?
Posted by thesource on :
Its pretty simple guys . You can paint the picture anyways you'd like but in the end it comes down to this and this alone .
The SEC has charged CSHD and Paul Harris with fraud and running a P&D . They have the attorneys to represent them and CSHD does not .
Let me ask you guys something , has anyone hear ever heard of the ACLU ? They are well known for screwing over smaller companies and or extorting companies for money . Most of the time the end results are leaving the company in ruins . Does anyone know why they end up winning most of their cases ? They have a damn good legal team and for the defendants to even defend themselves cost sometimes more than it would to settle out of court with the ACLU . So if they can wipe out a company that has a legal team , what the heck makes you think some stupid azz Georgia hill billy that can't even spell worth a crap stands a snow balls chance in hell ???
Do some research on the ACLU if you get the chance .........
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Its pretty simple guys . You can paint the picture anyways you'd like but in the end it comes down to this and this alone .
The SEC has charged CSHD and Paul Harris with fraud and running a P&D . They have the attorneys to represent them and CSHD does not .
Let me ask you guys something , has anyone hear ever heard of the ACLU ? They are well known for screwing over smaller companies and or extorting companies for money . Most of the time the end results are leaving the company in ruins . Does anyone know why they end up winning most of their cases ? They have a damn good legal team and for the defendants to even defend themselves cost sometimes more than it would to settle out of court with the ACLU . So if they can wipe out a company that has a legal team , what the heck makes you think some stupid azz Georgia hill billy that can't even spell worth a crap stands a snow balls chance in hell ???
Do some research on the ACLU if you get the chance .........
Uuugh... well I could just take your rhetoric as absolute and agree... Or I could answer that question the way it should be answered and say. I think it is pretty obvious by the fact that this company is still trading, and the fact that this CEO is still raising horses, and the fact that this case is still ongoing... is plenty enough fact to at the very least suggest that this "stupid azz Georgia hill billy that can't even spell worth a crap" DOES stands a snow balls chance in hell???
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Whats comical is how people can believe any document posted on the internet, especially from a non official source.
I could write up any court appeal i feel like and post it on my website and that makes it valid... how?
What document are you talking about? I have recieved all my documents from the ECF site from the Northern Georgia District Federal Court site. (None of which I have posted here since it is a pay site and it is against the TOS rules and reg.) It seems a pretty reliable source to me, and the docs seem to match up with all I have seen posted from other outside sources.
Click on "Links to PACER websites" and go from there. The login is free, but they do charge $0.08 per page for reports.
Not looking forward to Mr. Harris's next set of filings. It is rumored the next two filings are 270 pages long. 20 for the first, and 250 for the second. Mr. Harris said this morning that there should be four filings from him this week. GLTA
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
That is like $21.60 at $0.08 for 270 pages! Boy this court case is gonna break me! HAHA!!
Let's hope it breaks someone! I personally would prefer it to be TDA, UBS, Nite, and any offshore run by Holbrooke. HAHA!!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Uuugh... well I could just take your rhetoric as absolute and agree... Or I could answer that question the way it should be answered and say. I think it is pretty obvious by the fact that this company is still trading, and the fact that this CEO is still raising horses, and the fact that this case is still ongoing... is plenty enough fact to at the very least suggest that this "stupid azz Georgia hill billy that can't even spell worth a crap" DOES stands a snow balls chance in hell???
Believe me , the SEC would have stopped trading completely if they could have . The cannot under the current law . The only thing they can do is halt it for 10 days and let it burn to hell on the grey markets . Look at CKYS , their CEO was arrested by the FBI and the SEC has an on going case against them but the stock is still traded . Hell , look at Eron , I believe its still trading !!!
Posted by thesource on :
Mark this post !!! This company will end up in receivership before its all over . Rufus might get lucky though and walk away with a slap on the wrist but he's right about one thing . I don't think any of us will ever forget his name .
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Uuugh... well I could just take your rhetoric as absolute and agree... Or I could answer that question the way it should be answered and say. I think it is pretty obvious by the fact that this company is still trading, and the fact that this CEO is still raising horses, and the fact that this case is still ongoing... is plenty enough fact to at the very least suggest that this "stupid azz Georgia hill billy that can't even spell worth a crap" DOES stands a snow balls chance in hell???
Believe me , the SEC would have stopped trading completely if they could have . The cannot under the current law . The only thing they can do is halt it for 10 days and let it burn to hell on the grey markets . Look at CKYS , their CEO was arrested by the FBI and the SEC has an on going case against them but the stock is still traded . Hell , look at Eron , I believe its still trading !!!
Why should I or anyone for that mater believe you? Are you closer to this case than us? Do you have some fact we have not seen that you can deliver that we can verify? I will believe you if you can provide reason, rather than reasonable doubt. Personally I do not and have always told others NOT TO BELIEVE A WORD YOU HEAR ON THE MESSAGE BOARDS FROM A MESSAGE BOARD POSTER. Speculation, emotion, agenda, lazy due dillengence are all great reasons to have, make, and believe yourself and yourself alone on these boards. Yet here you are a seemingly experienced poster asking me and others to "believe" you.
I will say it again do not base your decisions on the words of a stock message board poster. Verify the information delivered on these sites for yourself, and make your own desicions based on your own information.
But your last post is most definitely "marked", but please don't mind me if I mark it as your opinion.
Posted by thesource on :
I personally don't care if "you" believe a word I am writting . Its kind of like going to church to listen to the preacher preach or picking up the book and reading it yourself .
You either continue to listen to the preacher preach and hope he's right or you can pick the book up and read it yourself . Its all there in black and white . The rules of civil procedure are available as well as the laws regulating the SEC and their powers . Trust me , you will me a wiser person for it instead of wasting your time doing DD on some make believe bonds .
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I personally don't care if "you" believe a word I am writting . Its kind of like going to church to listen to the preacher preach or picking up the book and reading it yourself .
You either continue to listen to the preacher preach and hope he's right or you can pick the book up and read it yourself . Its all there in black and white . The rules of civil procedure are available as well as the laws regulating the SEC and their powers . Trust me, you will me a wiser person for it instead of wasting your time doing DD on some make believe bonds .
Now you go straight from saying "Believe Me", to "Trust Me". Not only that! You follow up the request for people's trust by pointing out pure speculation. Unless ofcouse you have some actual proof that the bonds are "make believe".
You see a veteran poster that really wanted anothers trust would say DD everything, the rules of civil procedure, the bonds, each and everyone directly and indirectly involved and even other posters who make radical proclimations either bad or good on this and every other site available. And when you think you are done. Look at it all again, because until you see the whole picture you will not be able to see the forest for the trees.
But the last thing that veteran poster would ever say is "trust me" or even "believe me". Because that poster would have learned long ago that these words are useless on a message board.
IMO it might be useful to you later this week
Posted by thesource on :
Like I said , I personally could not care less if you believe or trust me . Here's something to think about though . I have not cost you a single dime of your money nor have I profitted in any way from this stock going down . But you'd rather listen and believe some bumbling fool who claims to have won the republican of the year award , been involved with special mandates from the U.S government , has bonds worth billions of dollars , has friends in high places such as the U.N and congress , claims to have shorty by the nuts , will bring down the SEC , will right all the wrongs of the world and claims to raise race horses without a single shred of proof on anything . I could go on and on and on .
You people that continue to bury heads and not learn from this will be doomed to repeat it on something else . All I can say is better you than me .
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Very nice posts Taxback....
Hey Catia! Hows it going? You know a guy comes back to read a few posts, makes a simple comment. One person asks you for your opinion, you give it and then it becomes a whole day affair. Just crazy. HAHA!! Posted by 10of13 on :
thesource states: "You either continue to listen to the preacher preach and hope he's right or you can pick the book up and read it yourself . Its all there in black and white . The rules of civil procedure are available as well as the laws regulating the SEC and their powers ."
Here's the thing...and this is obviously IMO...both the preacher and "the book" are viewed by others in different ways...AND...even laws that regulate the SEC or anything are also written and viewed in different ways...things are not always as simple as black and white...there are loop-holes in most every written book/law...I am thinking that we (CSHD) are about to see a few of those Loop-holes and different views...
(for the record...I do wish the fat lady would sing...one way or another...)
Posted by thesource on :
That is true and thats why you have a judge to interpret the laws of the land . There are two types of law , book law and case law . Both can be great tools in the hands of someone who knows how to use them just like religion is .
Once again , this whole arguement is moot since none of it even matters . CSHD is stuck in the mud until they get an attorney . No attorney equals no chance in hell of anything getting any better . The SEC will file a motion to put the company into receivership and its lights out for CSHD and whatever assets it might or might not have . As for Rufus and those closely tied to this , they may or may not be screwed . I think the fact Rufus is already on probation for DWI , he will serve time if convicted of anything thats a class B offense or higher which anything Federal pretty much is . I would also like to see them go after Mike A. since he seems to have more assets available to him here in Texas .
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Like I said , I personally could not care less if you believe or trust me . Here's something to think about though . I have not cost you a single dime of your money nor have I profitted in any way from this stock going down . But you'd rather listen and believe some bumbling fool who claims to have won the republican of the year award , been involved with special mandates from the U.S government , has bonds worth billions of dollars , has friends in high places such as the U.N and congress , claims to have shorty by the nuts , will bring down the SEC , will right all the wrongs of the world and claims to raise race horses without a single shred of proof on anything . I could go on and on and on .
You people that continue to bury heads and not learn from this will be doomed to repeat it on something else . All I can say is better you than me .
You must care, you are still here trying to dig our heads up from the sand. All the while we tell you we wouldn't pay for your advice even if it was "FREE", but there in lies the problem.
You feel your comments don't cost the average shareholder anything, but you are continously speaking negatively on a public message board focused on information on a publically traded company. Even if someone wants to post a general warning every now and then, or if they do nothing but spout off positive biased info all the time it still costs someone something that reads this information and takes it to heart. If the information is not public and verifiable in nature, meaning it is not PR'd, in an SEC filing or court document then it is speculation and speculation cost someone something.
So thanks for your so called "FREE" advice.
(You are definitely giving me many uses for the roll eyes icon tonight...) so thanks for that too. HAHA!!
Posted by dough boy on :
I haven't read all this--and my brain couldn't take it at the moment. Is this worth buying? Was up nice today. Or is that a bad thing to ask-lol?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: That is true and thats why you have a judge to interpret the laws of the land . There are two types of law , book law and case law . Both can be great tools in the hands of someone who knows how to use them just like religion is .
Once again , this whole arguement is moot since none of it even matters . CSHD is stuck in the mud until they get an attorney . No attorney equals no chance in hell of anything getting any better . The SEC will file a motion to put the company into receivership and its lights out for CSHD and whatever assets it might or might not have . As for Rufus and those closely tied to this , they may or may not be screwed . I think the fact Rufus is already on probation for DWI , he will serve time if convicted of anything thats a class B offense or higher which anything Federal pretty much is . I would also like to see them go after Mike A. since he seems to have more assets available to him here in Texas .
This post is pretty sad too but I am getting tired of responding to you, so I will only comment on the part I feel you got right. Yes they should go after Mike A. HAHA!!
Posted by thesource on :
If there was something positive to speak about when it comes to this company , I would say it . So far I've yet to find anything positive about it including its cash flow .
Show me something positive since its got to be obvious . Everyone seems to see it but me ......
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by dough boy: I haven't read all this--and my brain couldn't take it at the moment. Is this worth buying? Was up nice today. Or is that a bad thing to ask-lol?
They are still getting posts like this over here on Allstocks? Wow! I guess it is the design of the board and how activity places it on the top of the list that causes this.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Very nice posts Taxback....
Hey Catia! Hows it going? You know a guy comes back to read a few posts, makes a simple comment. One person asks you for your opinion, you give it and then it becomes a whole day affair. Just crazy. HAHA!!
Yea, I sorta noticed you walking into that affair but I found your posts so interesting I decided to just let ya go
Anyway, things are going pretty good. Hopefully the same for you...
Posted by dough boy on :
I knew I wouldn't get an answer either way--but hey I tried-lol
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by dough boy: I knew I wouldn't get an answer either way--but hey I tried-lol
hmmmmmm tried to post you some links but it didnt work. Do LOTS of reading before thinking about this one Posted by dough boy on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by dough boy: I knew I wouldn't get an answer either way--but hey I tried-lol
hmmmmmm tried to post you some links but it didnt work. Do LOTS of reading before thinking about this one
I know--but with this one I don't think my brain can handle it-I think I would be reading for days. I was just thinking of getting a little in the AM
Posted by 10of13 on :
Dough Boy...most that are in this have been in it since before the SEC halted it...this is extremely messy...I would not suggest to anyone to buy this...I am hoping for the best and I have already made money on it...(several months ago)...but to buy in now? I wouldn't suggest it...it is a total lotto play...You either win or you loose...One that you won't know if you win or loose for months down the road...Be careful...and GLTY!
Posted by dough boy on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Dough Boy...most that are in this have been in it since before the SEC halted it...this is extremely messy...I would not suggest to anyone to buy this...I am hoping for the best and I have already made money on it...(several months ago)...but to buy in now? I wouldn't suggest it...it is a total lotto play...You either win or you loose...One that you won't know if you win or loose for months down the road...Be careful...and GLTY!
Thanks 10of13. I know it is a huge mess, just thought it may be at the very bottom and noticed the big gains today. I know it means nothing to you guys (the green), but for me I thought I may take a small stab at it--and not hold long..
Posted by 10of13 on :
Dough boy...have you ever tried to buy or sell on the greys? there is no bid or ask...you just put your order in and hope...Hoping it works out for you...!
Posted by dough boy on :
LOL--yes I noticed that just now--think I will stay away. Thanks
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Ok Tax, if you're correct...what about the company? Is Rufus just going to answer for himself and forget about the company?
I kind of agree that the SEC's answer isn't the best thing they could do (or maybe it is ), but I still think we need a lawyer. I really hate to agree with thesource....REALLY .
My thoughts are that Mr. Harris realy believes a quick win of his case clears up any wrong doing of the company. I personally think the approach is risky, but if you got an ace up your sleeve. The risk is greatly reduced.
I don't know how this is going to end, but it would not surprise me if the motion to strike gets granted. The default IMO should have never been granted either but it was the very next day.
The court case does not seem to be very clean. Filings and case evidence from both parties seem very sloppy. While the judge has done nothing to try and clean up the proceedings.
I know Mr. Harris's excuse since he has yet to reveal a legal team, but what excuse does the SEC have?
lotsa confusion here... 1) I think you're talking about, maybe, a clerical error...at worst re whatever clerk typed up the docket. That may lead back to the "answer" itself, in that RPH does attempt to answer for both himself *and* the company. That alone is sufficient grounds for the strike.
2) What RPH "believes" has nothing whatsoever to do with it...court procedure is what it is, regardless of anyone's beliefs...to be able to answer (for himself, not the company) he would first have to enter a motion to set aside the default...with an argument compelling enough to have the motion granted.
3) The default was granted because no one bothered to respond, for whatever reason. It was a slam dunk.
4) What can the judge "clean up"? The SEC asked for what it wanted and got it without a fight...
5) What excuse? The SEC made its request, the request was granted, and they continue to compile evidence for whatever further actions they're contemplating, which at *the least* seem to be an order for disgorgement.
1a.)"a clerical error...at worst" That is one heck of a clerical error. HAHA!! Your funny.
2a.)"What RPH "believes" has nothing whatsoever to do with it..." In the context above it make alot of since. Especially since it is in reguards to how Mr. Harris is approaching his own legal defense if any at all.
3a.)"The default was granted because no one bothered to respond, for whatever reason." I do not have enough information to know if it was that cut and dried. I hear rumor that both CSHD and Mr. Harris were not served properly in the first place. Then you have the fact that Mr. Harris did show up in court and provided evidence on site, so it is not like he was totally ignoring the complaint. Default is usually reserved for cases where NO response is given. Showing up to court and putting evidence in hand is not a formal write up but should have been enough to stave off a Default Motion.
4a.)"What can the judge "clean up"?" HIS PROCEEDINGS... I did not studder. If someone brought a case to me and said this person stole money, but we have no evidence. And the other guy says I don't have an attourney. And I say to one party... "Quick go get edvidence and be back soon." and then say to the other party... "Quick go get an attourney and be back soon." And then 6 months later both return and neither has done what I had asked. As a Federal Judge I would either throw them both in jail or throw them both out. This case is in a sad state for both parties and the Judge is somewhat responsible because he is ignoring it.
5a.) "What excuse?" Your right ther is no excuse for the SEC not having ANY evidence at this point. They should have went for damages the day after the default was granted. Why wait? What is the hold up?
Why am I debating this with you of ALL people TEX?
I am not near this battle field, and from my perspective I have very little idea of the strategy and status of either of the opposing sides. I qualified my statements with "My thoughts" and they are based on what "I have witnessed" which I admit freely is very limited. You on the other hand speak as if you know the strategies of this case as fact. How close are you to the battle field? Personally, I am willing to gamble that you are no closer than I, and are just being combative because of emotion, or motive/agenda. Which basically means ANY debate is a total waste of time, I don't feel your emotion if you have any, and I definitely do not share your motive/agenda if you have any.
I just want to see the case end, and justice served. As a proud shareholder, ofcourse I would like to see CSHD prevail, but if wrong was done then action should be taken good or bad.
T-back? Perhaps you don't know, but I was out-of-pocket for much of the "run" of this play, so I don't recall too well all the individual posters, pro or con. However, I can tell from your recent posts that you are having a hard time coming to grips with the way the system works...
In fact, you're so close to the issue that you've even picked up on some of the diction and syntax style that RPH himself uses: eg, "battlefield" "I didn't studder [sic]" etc... highly metaphorical, hyperbolic, and a sort of--how shall I phrase it? I guess, kind of a "bar-room" edge...lol, I almost expect to be asked if I wanna "go outside."
Now, to tone things down, here's sumpin you posted to me:
quote:I don't feel your emotion if you have any, and . . .
nope, you are right about that--not much emotion involved for me. Emotion leads to bad trades, pure and simple. Anybody who's familiar with my posts knows what I think about emotional trading.
You also seem to question my integrity, invoking fact vs "strategies":
quote:You on the other hand speak as if you know the strategies of this case as fact.
Am not sure what you mean by strategies, but I speak/write as I do--my best take at any given moment: my posting record is "fact"--there on any thread, for all to see.
You also post (and I will put boldface on one part, for emphasis, to help make a point):
quote:I qualified my statements with "My thoughts" and they are based on what "I have witnessed" which I admit freely is very limited.
I did not realize your experience is "very limited." That explains a lot, and I can understand better why much of this ordeal must be confusing....
LOL...on the GVRP play, I was s-o-o-ooooo green, I called the SEC myself, thinking that would ensure delivery of my shares...
Anyway, I digress... what I hope you will do is step back a bit and think of the, let's say, three most confusing things about this play... You post that, and we can begin a non-emotional, logical discussion...
Best,
-- tex
Posted by 10of13 on :
Holy crap Tex...that last post took up most of the page...LOL... I'm glad that Taxback goes to bed early...there'd be alot of stuff to read in the am... Have a good night!
Posted by T e x on :
lol, just keeping things in context...don't forget how many read "over our shoulders"...
Posted by wallymac on :
I've been away a while and will be out more than in but happened to check in tonight to see what is happening in general in the market. After reading the previous posts and attempting to be non-bias, I have to make a few observations here, if for no other reason than to take my mind off of others things for a brief period of time.
The thing that began to and still bothers me most about CSHD is the fact that the CEO(Rufus), has turned the investment/trade into a war of sorts. If you read the various boards there is talk of channel 1, channel 2, channel 3. i mean you can't even state that you read some information on HSM, Allstocks, IHUB, Rufus's ******** or the other ******** that was established for CSHD Longs when Rufus stated his board was closing. IMO, too many factions and too much talk of belivers and nonbelivers. I mean we are talking about a stock here and not religion. Therefore Tex's assessment of the terminology that Rufus has used and that has been adopted by many of his followers(belivers) is well taken. Tex I always appreciate your bringing things back to basics where they belong.
Taxback, I have and continue to respect what you post, however, the problem I see with what you are stating is that you are attempting to use common sense and logic when it comes to legal issues. Sadly, that is not how things work in our legal system. The system is set up so that procedure means more than substance. Now don't get me wrong, I am not saying the Rufus has more substance than the SEC because nobody has seen anything to indicate that.
Think about it. Cases are thrown out on technicalities and innocent people do go to jail. The fact of the matter is that this is a civil proceeding and not a criminal proceeding and the burden of proof is much less. It is not guilty beyond a reasonable doubt it is guilty if the preponderance of evidence leans to one side or the other. In the case of CSHD, the SEC has brought the case and presented it's evidence. Maybe there is enough maybe there isn't but they need not prove anything if the defendant doesn't put up a defense.
Look at it this way, if a creditor sued me for a sum of money stating that I didn't pay according to the terms of the contract and I didn't respond to their charges, after the date that was set for my response I would be in default therfore, since I failed to answer I would lose the case and owe them the money even though I may have documentation to prove that I paid it.
OK, under that scenario I could go back to the judge and ask for the defualt to be set aside and allow me to present my evidence that I indeed did pay. Here's the kicker, the judge is under no mandate to open the defualt and allow my answer since I had ample time to answer but he could choose to reopen the case and allow me to respond.
Where does that leave the current situation with the SEC vs CSHD. First, the SEC did not have to present more evidence until CSHD/Rufus answered their claims. Therefore it is not surprising that they have been quiet since asking for and receiving an entry of default. Heck, all they had to do was sit back and wait for the time limit to run out and then ask the judge to apply monetary sanctions. There was no need for them to. I mean Rufus keeps talking about not wanting to show his hand so why should the SEC show theirs unless forced to.
Procedure is a part of law. Rufus's answer to the original charges, at this point in time, is not proper procedure. He should have requested that the default be set aside and allow him to answer. Once the judge ruled on that motion, then he could have entered an answer to the original charges. I'm no lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
Too many people are taking Rufus at face value and believing that he is right but he is not an attorney and IMO, no amount of internet research will prepare him to go up against an experienced securities attorney.
I happen to believe like TEX does that the true problem and potentially only shorter here was AJW, because of their toxic financing. The talk of individuals that post on message boards being shorters because they are not positive about the stock and post their reservations is not only ridiculous but desperate.
The Source has been very out spoken on this board and I have had my problems, not so much with what he is saying as with the method he delivers it. Yet, He has tried to provide people with a realistic scenario. I don't for one minute believe he shorted the stock and think that if it had been preented in a different manner it would have been received much differently.
In summation, remember the old adage, divide and conquer. We as shareholders should not be in one camp or the other but be united in an effort to seek the truth of what has happened to the money invested in this stock and be willing to look at the situation in an unbiased manner always seeking the truth. I for one, am not willing to anoit Rufus for sainthood nor vilify him as the devil. Sorry but since it seems the Status Quo is using religious metaphors I will. Taxback this message is not aimed completely at you but at anyone who chooses to join one camp or the other. We must keep in mind that we are speaking of a stock not a political nor religious crusade.
Oh, 10of13, sorry that this is probably taking up the majority of the page but it's more than likely my last post for the rest of the month because I will be otherwise occupied for sometime.
I wish all the very best of luck here no matter which side you are comming from. Peace, Health and good fortune to all.
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally I hope things get better for you soon!
Question for the board...in this "Court stuff"...I read the orignal filing from the SEC...what I do not recall reading is a "time frame" that there was to be "an answer"...in most filings is there not an "answer date"?
Would the original filing by the SEC having no date to answer be one of the "loop holes" here?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Wow a guy goes to bed and the people walk around with puffed chests.
Tex 90% of your spin above is incorrect, and people are right it would be a lot of reading if I wished to spend the time to correct ALL your misinterpretations and out of context comments. Just for kicks I will point out your return comment on my "I don't share your emotion." comment. I was saying I do not know if your negative comments are led by emotion or agenda/motive but in either case I do not share them with you. Because I have none myself. but thanks for the unnecessary trading lesson though I am sure I could use it. CSHD could go to zero tomorrow and you will not see me shed a tear. I have said this a hundred times before but since you were not around for the festivities I will say it once more. I am here because I own what I consider a comfortable investment in CSHD's future, but I recognize the risk and let's just leave it at that. Additionally, you attempted to take my announced "limited experience" comment completely out of context. Congrats to you are some spin master. You would do very good on the political circuit. Go back reread the comment that is much more than the three words you decided to bold. I was making a point. From my perspective of this case which is nowhere near the perspective of an insider, my view is quite limited. Now if you could just answer the question that was posed rather than slick redirection. Your confidence level in the "next steps" suggests you have a more complete visual of the court proceedings. How close are you?
And before I ramble any more let me say that yes Walley I have a mutual respect for your posts but you both are off center about the "bar room" speak. The "Did I stutter..." comment I will say was directly inspired by a comedy on HBO I saw the night before. I think the movie title was "Major Pain"... it is a farce, but during the 10 minutes it was on, there were some pretty funny lines. That was one of them so please don't credit Mr. Harris with that one. As for any others that I seem to have adopted "because I am too close" HAHA!! That is funny, just because I choose to visit a stock thread that gets more than three posts an evening on CSHD don't hate me. I would be over here posting away if the thread wasn't so dead all the time. I am looking for tangible information on this company and if I personally have to muddle through hours of ridiculous useless posts on other threads to find that one lead for my next DD trail I will do it.
But as far as camps are concerned... I am in no camp unless it is the investing and having fun doing it camp. CSHD is an enigma, a special case, a drama stock, it is fun and sad at the same time. What I do not like is the exposed corruption that is very visible. People poke at Mr. Harris with a stick, and beg him for illegal insider information. When his lack of action and silence are not his fault. Crooks thieves, and money laundering mafia types are involved and people are bowing to them like they are King Tut... (literally) (pun intended)
I don't want to fight with you guys, but I snapped on Mr. Harris's board about a week ago with regards to the corruption. I am sick of it, and I sick of people ignoring it. The OTC is broken and US Markets are in trouble, and our regulating bodies are doing nothing about it. You want to see my emotion? There it is. It has nothing to do with this individual trade. It has everything to do with the outside forces that directly affect this market. (I copied this to Word to look at my spelling... it is exactly one page long.)
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Follows are three posts from the cshdlongs.********s thread...Two from yesterday on on from today....There is discussion over there about new filings being made by RPH....sounds like the filings may have been made today....so perhaps there will be new opportunity for DD to be commencing, predicated upon actual filings showing up on PACER, and there being new information in filings...... . . . Just wanted to pass on what may be relevant information to be aware of.......GLTA
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Rufus Paul Harris Administrator member is offline Chairman & CEO Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,015 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 994 Re: Monday, May 14th « Reply #24 on Yesterday at 3:09am » ________________________________________
Yesterday at 3:06am, stockdiesel wrote:
Yesterday at 3:01am, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
. And will receive 4 more today!!
I get the feeling the chit is about to hit the fan this week.
Go get em Mr. H
Yes Sir here it comes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Advanced Carpet Bombing as of 12:00 noon tomorrow!! « Last Edit: Yesterday at 3:13am by Rufus Paul Harris »
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Re: Monday, May 14th « Reply #367 on Yesterday at 2:23pm » ________________________________________
Yesterday at 2:21pm, Shane wrote:
Yesterday at 11:16am, taxback04 wrote: Just looked at Pacer (Nothing since Motion from SEC) it appears there is a new Submission dead line created by the Motion which is due 5/29/2007. Just FYI. It sounded this morning that Rufus was going to fire back quickly. Just pointing out the fact for all.
[color=navy]Thanx Tax!
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1 WITH 20 filed 2 with 250 so far almost done with
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Re: Tuesday, May 15th « Reply #686 on Today at 2:24pm »
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Today at 1:46pm, taxback04 wrote: Where did Griff go... he threw out some explosion in the East tease... RPH showed up and Griff took off.
What was this explosion you heard?
Sorry, folks or peeps, I'm trying to make a living outside of CSHD. Had a few meeting and phone calls. Yes, there was a blast and yes it was a very favorable blast. The enemy is now on notice; THERE IS NO MORE FU*KING AROUND, WE ARE NOW ON THE OFFENSE, HERE IS WHAT WE WHAT, THERE WILL BE NO COMPROMISE, SEC YOU MADE A HUGE MISTAKE AND YOU WILL PAY, MM AND BROKERAGE HOUSES WE WILL OWN YOU, FEDERAL JUDGE YOU COST US MUCH, MUCH MONEY TIME TO PAY, RECOGNIZE MR. HARRIS AS RIGHTFUL CEO, OUR ASSETS ARE LEGIT and HERE IS THE PROOF, ALL THE CHARGES AGAINST THE COMPANY AND MR. HARRIS MUST BE DROPPED and HERE IS THE PROOF. PROOF, PROOF and MORE PROOF STRAIGHT FROM THE RPH LIBRARY OF DOCUMEMTATION, RECORD KEEPING, and THE MONEY TRAIL.
In other words the blast I heard was our ENEMIES HEARTS DROPPING DEEP INTO THEIR GUTS WITH A BIG BANG; now they know they grabbed "the wrong tiger by the tail"
Posted by T e x on :
don't know whether it's true, but here's a report saying RPH got the motion to re-open...ie, set aside the default:
but the mis-spellings make me doubt it...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
PACER is updated
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
05/15/2007 16 NOTICE of self representation by Rufus Paul Harris (vs) (Entered: 05/15/2007) 05/15/2007 17 MOTION to Set Aside Default by Rufus Paul Harris. (vs) (Entered: 05/15/2007) 05/15/2007 18 ANSWER to Complaint by Rufus Paul Harris.(vs) Please visit our website at http://www.gand.uscourts.gov to obtain
Pretrial Instructions. (Entered: 05/15/2007)
Posted by T e x on :
This seems to be real, though--apparently RPH has entered a motion to set aside the the default:
Way to use that Spellchecker, Rufus!
Posted by T e x on :
the logical question, of course, is WHY NOW? Without debating the merits of the arguments in his motion...why wait till now to address these issues rather than simply answering within the proper time frame?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Way to use that Spellchecker, Rufus!
Actually most that I have seen so far could just be the PDF converter or OCR at the Courts Office. The most noticeable is JUDBEMENT FOR JUDGEMENT... That is a very typical OCR substitution. Wouldn't it just fry your shorts is the hard copy in the judge's hands doesn't have that mispelling. HAHA!!
GLTA I am going to go look at these filings. Got them all downloaded from pacer and waiting on the real big one. Rumor is it is 250 pages of something good.
Posted by madmoney on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: the logical question, of course, is WHY NOW? Without debating the merits of the arguments in his motion...why wait till now to address these issues rather than simply answering within the proper time frame?
it`s all part of the RPH master plan!!! LOL!!! or maybe - better do SOMETHING! before I (RPH) go to jail!!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Way to use that Spellchecker, Rufus!
Actually most that I have seen so far could just be the PDF converter or OCR at the Courts Office. The most noticeable is JUDBEMENT FOR JUDGEMENT... That is a very typical OCR substitution. Wouldn't it just fry your shorts is the hard copy in the judge's hands doesn't have that mispelling. HAHA!!
GLTA I am going to go look at these filings. Got them all downloaded from pacer and waiting on the real big one. Rumor is it is 250 pages of something good.
doubt an OCR conversion would insert l/c i into AKA, or an E into JUDGMENT... am guessing nowadays these things are scanned, anyway...rendering it a digital image rather than text conversion...
supposedly, neither signed nor dated, either...
Posted by Goodones on :
Folks, this was all part of the master plan from the word "go". LOL hope something works out, never can tell.
Posted by thesource on :
He must be planning something huge in the future . He notes that a 8K was filed on Nov 14th , 2007 .
Posted by thesource on :
On a serious note , atleast the filing looks like it was written with the help of someone with a little legal experience . I'll post up more after I go over it again .
Posted by thesource on :
Ok , here's my take on it ..... I know you guys can't wait to hear from the know it all .
Pg 2 of 4 states that Rufus has not received any ill gotten gains and wants the default set aside . This is fine for himself personally but he's trying to tie himself in with the company and then seperate himself at the same time .
If the motion is granted , he got away without having to hire an attorney for the company because he's asking for the whole thing to be set aside not just his part . He's trying to paint the SEC responsible for the current situation .
This is not going to work , in my opinion . The SEC will move to strike this down because he's attempting to file this for the company and himself (notice the defendants listed). If he were to write up a motion with just his name listed and only asked for himself to be set aside out of default thats different . The company would still be in the crapper and he'd still have other issues on his hands but might skate from this issue but thats a huge might .
Nice try Rufus but its not going to fly ......
Posted by dollar13 on :
LOL
DWP IS WORKING OVER TIME LATELY
Posted by T e x on :
TaxBack,
now that I have a minute to reply, your question to me is: "Your confidence level in the "next steps" suggests you have a more complete visual of the court proceedings. How close are you?"
Am not quite sure what you mean by "more complete visual," but I'm no closer to court proceedings than any other given follower of this saga. I read what I can and try to save what's interesting... does that answer it? If not, please elaborate...
Also, you mention my "negative comments" ... not sure what you mean by that, either. Again, please elaborate...
BTW, I, too, have concerns about market integrity, fwiw...
(Now, then... a parting shot at 10 of No-Word-Count: I didn't check Wally's post, but inspired by TaxBack's inventory of his post in Word, I ran mine and his in "word count": TB's reply weighs in at 685 words, 3,579 characters including spaces; by comparison, mine is a lean-mean 367 words, 1,991 characters including spaces... )
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Ok , here's my take on it ..... I know you guys can't wait to hear from the know it all .
Pg 2 of 4 states that Rufus has not received any ill gotten gains and wants the default set aside . This is fine for himself personally but he's trying to tie himself in with the company and then seperate himself at the same time .
If the motion is granted , he got away without having to hire an attorney for the company because he's asking for the whole thing to be set aside not just his part . He's trying to paint the SEC responsible for the current situation .
This is not going to work , in my opinion . The SEC will move to strike this down because he's attempting to file this for the company and himself (notice the defendants listed). If he were to write up a motion with just his name listed and only asked for himself to be set aside out of default thats different . The company would still be in the crapper and he'd still have other issues on his hands but might skate from this issue but thats a huge might .
Nice try Rufus but its not going to fly ......
is Rufus flat broke? LOL
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Is there anything to the idea that since the company CEO changed several times after the default Rufus is not liable for the company's answer as it wouls of or should of been takeb care of the acting CEO in the months after Rufus's original departure?
Can Rufus say I'm answering for myself but I wasn't the CEO and the SEC will have to refile the complaints to specifically name the current CEO as the defendant?
Ideas?
Posted by thesource on :
Q: Is Rufus flat broke ?
A: Probably close to it . I believe that the house he lives in and the ranch where his horses are do not belong to him .
Q:Can Rufus say I'm answering for myself but I wasn't the CEO and the SEC will have to refile the complaints to specifically name the current CEO as the defendant?
A: He can answer to the suit filed against him but if doing so must not include mention of the company or ask for anything to be set a side for the company . Remember , he can file anything he'd like at this point but the Judge still has to approve it and the SEC will more than likely strike it down depending on how its worded . Either way , all that can be done at this point for Rufus is to set aside the default against him and carry on with the suit against him . What makes anyone here think Rufus stands a fighting chance in court representing himself when he's having a hell of a time getting filings submitted and accepted to begin with ? Posted by milliam on :
Dollar, what does DP post as over there? I'm trying to find his comments, but there's too much to wade through.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Q: Is Rufus flat broke ?
A: Probably close to it . I believe that the house he lives in and the ranch where his horses are do not belong to him .
Q:Can Rufus say I'm answering for myself but I wasn't the CEO and the SEC will have to refile the complaints to specifically name the current CEO as the defendant?
A: He can answer to the suit filed against him but if doing so must not include mention of the company or ask for anything to be set a side for the company . Remember , he can file anything he'd like at this point but the Judge still has to approve it and the SEC will more than likely strike it down depending on how its worded . Either way , all that can be done at this point for Rufus is to set aside the default against him and carry on with the suit against him . What makes anyone here think Rufus stands a fighting chance in court representing himself when he's having a hell of a time getting filings submitted and accepted to begin with ?
You are correct, he doesnt own the ranch he leases it as far as I know...and im sure its not cheap. Raising horses is no drop in the bucket either...especially the "grade" of horses he deals with.
Do i think he is broke? Nope....i seriously think not.
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: What makes anyone here think Rufus stands a fighting chance in court representing himself when he's having a hell of a time getting filings submitted and accepted to begin with ?[/b]
Because we got 5 billion dollars!!!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: What makes anyone here think Rufus stands a fighting chance in court representing himself when he's having a hell of a time getting filings submitted and accepted to begin with ?[/b]
Because we got 5 billion dollars!!!
Then maybe Rufus should get an attorney and stop dicking around . I know if I was in his shoes and had 5 billion dollars , I'd hire the best legal counsel I could find . I'd slap the SEC around and after I was done , I'd file a counter suit against them for damages done against the company and for cost of legal counsel .
But thats if I had 5 billion dollars ........ Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Guys....I am on my daughter's computer because for some reason mine isn't working...so I can't go onto Rufus' site because it is linked to my laptops IP address....
I see there has been some happenings.....
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hi Guys....I am on my daughter's computer because for some reason mine isn't working...so I can't go onto Rufus' site because it is linked to my laptops IP address....
I see there has been some happenings.....
If you're on the same network then your daughters computer and your laptop will have the same IP address.
Posted by Jenna on :
OK- It worked Igor...I got on..thanks....I am a computer dodo...
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: OK- It worked Igor...I got on..thanks....I am a computer dodo...
Don't leave out the BEST part:
"and blonde too"............lol
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Dollar, what does DP post as over there? I'm trying to find his comments, but there's too much to wade through.
Dave Perley is posting somewhere?
Posted by madmoney on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by TimW:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: What makes anyone here think Rufus stands a fighting chance in court representing himself when he's having a hell of a time getting filings submitted and accepted to begin with ?[/b]
Because we got 5 billion dollars!!!
Then maybe Rufus should get an attorney and stop dicking around . I know if I was in his shoes and had 5 billion dollars , I'd hire the best legal counsel I could find . I'd slap the SEC around and after I was done , I'd file a counter suit against them for damages done against the company and for cost of legal counsel .
But thats if I had 5 billion dollars ........
exactly!! IF! BIG IF, this company actualy had 5 BILLION dollars in REAL assets they absolutey positively WOULD have hired the best buisness law firm in the country to fix this mess!! IF they had this money, five BILLION dollars!!!! think about it! the interest on that money for one week could pay THE BEST LEAGLE TEAM IN THE COUNTRY to represent them. yet they have NO LAWYER!!! witch leads me to belive it`s all SCAM BS!!!! JMHO!!!
Posted by madmoney on :
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Hey madmoney - You know, opinions are like A-holes - Everybody has one!
lol
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: OK- It worked Igor...I got on..thanks....I am a computer dodo...
Don't leave out the BEST part:
"and blonde too"............lol
Oh yeah, that's right....thanks for reminding me Mr. Marsh lover....
Posted by madmoney on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Hey madmoney - You know, opinions are like A-holes - Everybody has one!
lol
including you! LOL!!
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: OK- It worked Igor...I got on..thanks....I am a computer dodo...
Don't leave out the BEST part:
"and blonde too"............lol
Oh yeah, that's right....thanks for reminding me Mr. Marsh lover....
You're the Mr. Marsh lover - You always bring him up. Posted by Jenna on :
Here are a few spelling errors that REALLY annoy me...(feel free to add any)
Legal (not Leagle)
Prove (not proove)
Lose (not Loose)
*just thought I would bring these up- sorry for sounding like a bi*ch)*
Posted by Jenna on :
ST2006, Mr. Marsh called, he wants his pajamas back...
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ST2006, Mr. Marsh called, he wants his pajamas back...
He told me that he has your toothbrush that you left over his house last weekend. He says that you took his
lol
Posted by Jenna on :
LOL..........
Posted by Jenna on :
ST- I love your siggy....
I heard they are going to have a TV show starring the caveman & it's going to be about how hard it is to live a normal life as one!!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
Are we rich yet???????
Hello Jenna!
Posted by thesource on :
We are not only rich but GOLDEN !!! I think I can see the smoke from Washington being on fire all the way from south Texas . Damn that must be one hell of a fire .........
Posted by PCola77 on :
too two to your you're should of instead of should've (would of, could of, etc)
By the way, on your earlier post, you could have left out the word "computer"...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Here are a few spelling errors that REALLY annoy me...(feel free to add any)
Legal (not Leagle)
Prove (not proove)
Lose (not Loose)
*just thought I would bring these up- sorry for sounding like a bi*ch)*
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: too two to your you're should of instead of should've (would of, could of, etc)
By the way, on your earlier post, you could have left out the word "computer"...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Here are a few spelling errors that REALLY annoy me...(feel free to add any)
Legal (not Leagle)
Prove (not proove)
Lose (not Loose)
*just thought I would bring these up- sorry for sounding like a bi*ch)*
Sorry PC but should've (etc) is short for 'should have' so no misspelling there. From what I see there is plenty of leeway given around the message boards in the area of spelling. In some instances way too much.
Note: your other references depend on usage also.
IMO Mo
Posted by T e x on :
lol...
"should ofinstead of should've ..."
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Here are a few spelling errors that REALLY annoy me...(feel free to add any)
Legal (not Leagle)
Prove (not proove)
Lose (not Loose)
*just thought I would bring these up- sorry for sounding like a bi*ch)*
tomorrow (not tomarrow) Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol...
"should ofinstead of should've ..."
Yes but 'should of' is not always bad English, depends on the usage. (Look up 'of', it has a wide range of usage) Example: He should of had...
When people type "could of" what they mean is "could've", a contraction for could have. It sounds the same, which is why people write/type it wrong, but no, in no case is "could of" not bad english.
What you meant to type, was "he should have had", or should've, not should of.
of is a useful word, yes, but it's still a preposition, not a verb. You can't "of".
And yes, the other ones depend on usage, and people butcher them constantly.
E.G., Your a basher! There are to many bashers on this thread.
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol...
"should ofinstead of should've ..."
Yes but 'should of' is not always bad English, depends on the usage. (Look up 'of', it has a wide range of usage) Example: He should of had...
get the hell out of this when it hit $4.00 a share .
Posted by PCola77 on :
See, I can deal with "woulda coulda shoulda", because it's obviously shorthand/slang, while "should of" is just ignorance. Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: You're blowing my mind here...
When people type "could of" what they mean is "could've", a contraction for could have. It sounds the same, which is why people write/type it wrong, but no, in no case is "could of" not bad english.
What you meant to type, was "he should have had", or should've, not should of.
of is a useful word, yes, but it's still a preposition, not a verb. You can't "of".
And yes, the other ones depend on usage, and people butcher them constantly.
E.G., Your a basher! There are to many bashers on this thread.
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol...
"should ofinstead of should've ..."
Yes but 'should of' is not always bad English, depends on the usage. (Look up 'of', it has a wide range of usage) Example: He should of had...
So PC now you use my examlpe and say it should be:
What you meant to type, was "he should have had", or should've, not should of.
Are you sure your usage is proper? What I see in your usage, two verbs together 1) have 2) had, whereas the preposition 'of' instead of the verb 'have' in this instance is just as proper English.
Posted by TimW on :
Stocks or English class?
Posted by PCola77 on :
I am absolutely, 100% certain that I am correct and you are incorrect in this situation.
Try it this way, maybe it'll click for you.
Use would/could/should with any other preposition and tell me if it makes sense.
Should to Would from Could in
You can't use a preposition in that place
Does that help?
If not, I'm giving up, like someone else just said, this is a stock board not English. Jenna was trying to add something entertaining and you had to go and ruin it.
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: You're blowing my mind here...
When people type "could of" what they mean is "could've", a contraction for could have. It sounds the same, which is why people write/type it wrong, but no, in no case is "could of" not bad english.
What you meant to type, was "he should have had", or should've, not should of.
of is a useful word, yes, but it's still a preposition, not a verb. You can't "of".
And yes, the other ones depend on usage, and people butcher them constantly.
E.G., Your a basher! There are to many bashers on this thread.
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol...
"should ofinstead of should've ..."
Yes but 'should of' is not always bad English, depends on the usage. (Look up 'of', it has a wide range of usage) Example: He should of had...
So PC now you use my examlpe and say it should be:
What you meant to type, was "he should have had", or should've, not should of.
Are you sure your usage is proper? What I see in your usage, two verbs together 1) have 2) had, whereas the preposition 'of' instead of the verb 'have' in this instance is just as proper English.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Well PC, I did a grammer check on both:
He should have had a chance to vote.
He should of had a chance to vote.
And you are correct. My bad.
Thanks for the English Lesson, now lets get back to finding out what the Master Speller has in store for all of us. (bagholders?)
Posted by PCola77 on :
Haha. No problem. I hope the judbement works out
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Well PC, I did a grammer check on both:
He should have had a chance to vote.
He should of had a chance to vote.
And you are correct. My bad.
Thanks for the English Lesson, now lets get back to finding out what the Master Speller has in store for all of us. (bagholders?)
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hmmmm, im almost afraid to post in fear that I might spell something incorrectly.
Oh, and by the way. Jenna....you PM me but leave your inbox full and apparently never check your email. What gives? Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Hmmmm, im almost afraid to post in fear that I might spell something incorrectly.
Oh, and by the way. Jenna....you PM me but leave your inbox full and apparently never check your email. What gives?
She can't help it if she's cute and popular!
Posted by PCola77 on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: She can't help it if she's cute and popular!
You guys are pretty gullible. That's not really a picture of Jenna. "Jenna" is probably a 350 pound man. Geez people, how many times do I have to tell you not to believe what you read on these boards?
(I won't even mention the fact that her "sister" is better looking anyway...)
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: She can't help it if she's cute and popular!
You guys are pretty gullible. That's not really a picture of Jenna. "Jenna" is probably a 350 pound man. Geez people, how many times do I have to tell you not to believe what you read on these boards?
(I won't even mention the fact that her "sister" is better looking anyway...)
Dude, I hope your joking. That really is Jenna, I know because I went to High School with her.
However, when I talked to her on the phone, the voice did sound between a man and a womans.
LOL Jenna!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: She can't help it if she's cute and popular!
You guys are pretty gullible. That's not really a picture of Jenna. "Jenna" is probably a 350 pound man. Geez people, how many times do I have to tell you not to believe what you read on these boards?
(I won't even mention the fact that her "sister" is better looking anyway...)
I hope you're joking as well.....even though its not really very funny
Posted by milliam on :
Are we trading today? My streamer doesn't show any activity.
Posted by Igor R on :
0 volume here as well.
Posted by milliam on :
Looks like they are finally showing some. 70,000 in 2 transactions.
Posted by milliam on :
Interesting post from Rufus:
Have you ever been attacked from all fronts at one time?
Boy oh Boy the demons are after my family right now, Past 2 days have been just down right unbelievable, scary and overwhelming, ever since the Filing
You know you are doing the right thing when the demons come at you in that manner
I humbly ask for and we would greatly appreciate your prays
Posted by 6digits on :
Posted by 6digits on :
Rufus, i'm sorry to hear that you have trouble. We all have been having such a good time for the last 8 months listening to you and others constant Bullsh!t
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Interesting post from Rufus:
Have you ever been attacked from all fronts at one time?
Boy oh Boy the demons are after my family right now, Past 2 days have been just down right unbelievable, scary and overwhelming, ever since the Filing
You know you are doing the right thing when the demons come at you in that manner
I humbly ask for and we would greatly appreciate your prays
Posted by T e x on :
quick, call the Vatican!
Posted by thesource on :
I'm surprsed that since Rufus saved a bunch of money on not hiring a lawyer that he didn't use the money to hire body guards for everyone in his family .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Money aside id like to see this thing come to an "end" one way or another just so a few very negative people can have someplace else to go post their harsh opinions....thesource, Tex, you all know who you are
Heck I barely read over here anymore after Jenna was told not to bring CSHD related info from another board to here. I find it interesting that non-shareholders are telling her what is "CSHD relevant" or not. How would they know? Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Money aside id like to see this thing come to an "end" one way or another just so a few very negative people can have someplace else to go post their harsh opinions....thesource, Tex, you all know who you are
Heck I barely read over here anymore after Jenna was told not to bring CSHD related info from another board to here. I find it interesting that non-shareholders are telling her what is "CSHD relevant" or not. How would they know?
Who told her to do that? Whoever did, well they suck, because not all of us can read rufie's board. So, quit your *****ing and let her repost stuff here, so everyone can see it.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Money aside id like to see this thing come to an "end" one way or another just so a few very negative people can have someplace else to go post their harsh opinions....thesource, Tex, you all know who you are
Heck I barely read over here anymore after Jenna was told not to bring CSHD related info from another board to here. I find it interesting that non-shareholders are telling her what is "CSHD relevant" or not. How would they know?
I agree....Can't they think of anything better to do - like masturbate with sandpaper or something?
Posted by PCola77 on :
LOL. I seem to remember someone asking her to explain the posts a little better, because taken out of context a lot of them made no sense whatsoever. If you read that as someone "told her not to bring CSHD related info here" then you are just looking for something to get upset about.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Are we rich yet???????
Hello Jenna!
Hi Surf!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: She can't help it if she's cute and popular!
You guys are pretty gullible. That's not really a picture of Jenna. "Jenna" is probably a 350 pound man. Geez people, how many times do I have to tell you not to believe what you read on these boards?
(I won't even mention the fact that her "sister" is better looking anyway...)
PC- I told you never to tell anyone my secret!!! I guess they will find out the truth if we all ever meet in Vegas....
Posted by PCola77 on :
Okay, I went back and found the offending post, and take back some of what I said. I, personally took it to mean that she should add context when she posts stuff from the other board, but based on the actual post, I can see why it would be taken the other way.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Vegas is a perfect place for that, huh? Given their population of, what's the PC politically correct, not me) term, transgendered?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: PC- I told you never to tell anyone my secret!!! I guess they will find out the truth if we all ever meet in Vegas....
Posted by Jenna on :
I WILL bring Rufus' posts over here if I feel that it is something the shareholders need to hear....
I haven't had time lately but I will do it for all soon....
Catch you all later....
New2, thanks for the "tomorrow" spelling...I was spelling it wrong...HaHa...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Jenna, your to nice. Its a shame you had two loose so much money on this. I wish we could proove that something illeagle happened so you can get you're money back.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Jenna, your to nice. Its a shame you had two loose so much money on this. I wish we could proove that something illeagle happened so you can get you're money back.
Lose money? It aint over yet.
BTW:
1. It is 'to' - not 'two' 2. It is 'you're' - not 'your' 3. It is 'too' - not 'to' 4. It is 'illegal' - not 'illeagle' 5. It is 'your' - not 'you're' 6. It is 'It's" - not 'Its'
Wow, alot of errors for a couple of sentences. LOL
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Jenna, your to nice. Its a shame you had two loose so much money on this. I wish we could proove that something illeagle happened so you can get you're money back.
Lose money? It aint over yet.
BTW:
1. It is 'to' - not 'two' 2. It is 'you're' - not 'your' 3. It is 'too' - not 'to' 4. It is 'illegal' - not 'illeagle' 5. It is 'your' - not 'you're' 6. It is 'It's" - not 'Its'
Wow, alot of errors for a couple of sentences. LOL
Actually its "too" in the one case but who cares eh? Posted by PCola77 on :
You missed "it's" instead of "its", "loose" instead of "lose" and "proove" instead of "prove"
5 out of 8, gotta try harder next time Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
WTF? Everytime I correct, more errors pop up....LMAO
It is lose, not loose!
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
You keep editing PCola - not fair!
Posted by PCola77 on :
I swear, I didn't edit it one time.
Actually, I can proove ( ) it because just read your quote of my post in yours, I can't edit your post.
Posted by PCola77 on :
It's "it's" in your post
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Actually its "too" in the one case but who cares eh?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: It's "it's" in your post
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Actually its "too" in the one case but who cares eh?
You wont catch me wasting a keystroke with ' on a message board. Thats where i draw the line. Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Okay, I went back and found the offending post, and take back some of what I said. I, personally took it to mean that she should add context when she posts stuff from the other board, but based on the actual post, I can see why it would be taken the other way.
As I recall, I posted the long, uninterrupted string of RPH-isms was too much, without without context--AFTER someone else complained on-thread about it...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Okay, I went back and found the offending post, and take back some of what I said. I, personally took it to mean that she should add context when she posts stuff from the other board, but based on the actual post, I can see why it would be taken the other way.
As I recall, I posted the long, uninterrupted string of RPH-isms was too much, without without context--AFTER someone else complained on-thread about it...
Is it seriously possible to "act on" every complaint? We have all complained about various things but, of course, those complaints cant always warrant MOD intervention IMO. Or is it possible that some people decide to pick and choose which complaint to act on?
I guess there is a lot of nit-picking that can take place on the subject which I suppose is not necessary.
Anwyay, no big deal, I dont pay to post on Allstocks so it wont hurt anyone if me and/or the others decide that we need to go elsewhere for the information we feel is important.
Posted by thesource on :
I never said anything about Jenna posting anything on here . I think its funny to read and it gives me more material to work with when bashing Rufus ...........
plus you never run off a cute girl in a sausage fest anyways .
Hey Jenna , how's that little boy Dante doing ? Haven't heard anything lately from you on his condition.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Money aside id like to see this thing come to an "end" one way or another just so a few very negative people can have someplace else to go post their harsh opinions....thesource, Tex, you all know who you are
Heck I barely read over here anymore after Jenna was told not to bring CSHD related info from another board to here. I find it interesting that non-shareholders are telling her what is "CSHD relevant" or not. How would they know?
Mr C. , if this wraps up then where would that leave you ? This thread would die and you'd have to go find something else to do with your time since you don't trade in anything else or post about it on other threads . Basically you are a 1 pop shot and it looks like that was a dud .
Posted by T e x on :
Don't recall any mod intervention... What I remember was Jenna's asking questing questions and various members' answering... I answered one way ("fine by me" or whatever) then changed my mind once the "string" GOT real long *and* somebody else mentioned wading through a buncha stuff...I forget the wording, now...
Posted by PCola77 on :
I found it earlier today Tex, you said something like "Jenna, can you rein it in a little, it's hard to read all that with no context" or something.
Like I said, I took it to mean, "please give some background for some of the posts (because a lot of them seemed to be Rufus' replies but the questions weren't presented)"
However, if someone is predisposed to assuming that you (Tex) would be negative about something, I could see how it would be interpreted as saying "Hey, quit posting those things here."
I guess only Tex knows his intent, but it's probably between Jenna and him, and peopel like Mr C and I should let them discuss it if they so desire.
Posted by PCola77 on :
I'd also be interested in knowing that, but would like to word it a bit less confrontationally.
Mr C, have you been trading in any other stocks? If so, you should post on some other threads. As you're probably aware from back when CSHD was doing well, this can be a pretty fun place. If you're not trading anything else, well, you should still post in other threads. If for no other reason, just to get to know some of the people here so that if/when you start trading again, you have a better feel of who is trustworthy and who is not.
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Money aside id like to see this thing come to an "end" one way or another just so a few very negative people can have someplace else to go post their harsh opinions....thesource, Tex, you all know who you are
Heck I barely read over here anymore after Jenna was told not to bring CSHD related info from another board to here. I find it interesting that non-shareholders are telling her what is "CSHD relevant" or not. How would they know?
Mr C. , if this wraps up then where would that leave you ? This thread would die and you'd have to go find something else to do with your time since you don't trade in anything else or post about it on other threads . Basically you are a 1 pop shot and it looks like that was a dud .
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Whats with all the bickering? This play was over the second the SEC got involved.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Whats with all the bickering? This play was over the second the SEC got involved.
What? This is over?
Why did it take 6+ months for you to tell me? Come Monday morning, I'm turning in all my HCC's and selling this POS at .01/share. Gee, it is not worth holding anymore and IS worth selling for a 99% loss.
I have some free sandpaper for you - PM me with your address and I'll mail you some.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Whats with all the bickering? This play was over the second the SEC got involved.
What? This is over?
Why did it take 6+ months for you to tell me? Come Monday morning, I'm turning in all my HCC's and selling this POS at .01/share. Gee, it is not worth holding anymore and IS worth selling for a 99% loss.
LOL you are a joke. Yes the play is OVER!!!! Meaning there is a 99% chance you will never get any value from your shares. I do agree that it is STUPID to sell your shares at a 99% loss. Thats why I am holding and hoping for a MIRACLE. But this bickering is DUMB as we all know the truth in our hearts. You really think someone gave 5 billion to some HICK living on some farm, who has never been successful at anything in his life?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Whats with all the bickering? This play was over the second the SEC got involved.
What? This is over?
Why did it take 6+ months for you to tell me? Come Monday morning, I'm turning in all my HCC's and selling this POS at .01/share. Gee, it is not worth holding anymore and IS worth selling for a 99% loss.
LOL you are a joke. Yes the play is OVER!!!! Meaning there is a 99% chance you will never get any value from your shares. I do agree that it is STUPID to sell your shares at a 99% loss. Thats why I am holding and hoping for a MIRACLE. But this bickering is DUMB as we all know the truth in our hearts. You really think someone gave 5 billion to some HICK living on some farm, who has never been successful at anything in his life?
You know, all that still hold are holding out for hope. I myself am one of them. I do believe that this WILL work out for shareholders in some sort of way. It's pretty simple - this Rufus character is either 100% legit or he is a 100% bullchiter with nothing else better to do with his time than leading people on. I believe that he is legit and he will take care of CSHD and the shareholders. Keep in mind that he owns 7+ million shares himself - so you can bet your azz that he will get this straightened out. If the SEC had such a slam dunk case, this would of been over months ago with a ruling from the judge. Look at the SEC response to strike Rufus' response. They state that they are still trying to obtain (fabricate) evidence. There is something definately wrong when the SEC can suspend a stock, with virtually no case/evidence to support their accusations. In the end the shareholders get raped. Rufus knows this and he will produce something in the future. Just watch.
NOW PASS SOME MORE FREAKIN KOOL-AID!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
I'm watching...but point is any man who has 5 billion in funding wouldnt have such a hard time proving something. Not to mention he has no lawyer and waited until past the deadline for his default response. Thats not a professional now is it?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Plus who cares if he has 7million shares, when his buddies loaded up at .09 and sold at $3.50
He's loaded from that.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Money aside id like to see this thing come to an "end" one way or another just so a few very negative people can have someplace else to go post their harsh opinions....thesource, Tex, you all know who you are
Heck I barely read over here anymore after Jenna was told not to bring CSHD related info from another board to here. I find it interesting that non-shareholders are telling her what is "CSHD relevant" or not. How would they know?
Mr C. , if this wraps up then where would that leave you ? This thread would die and you'd have to go find something else to do with your time since you don't trade in anything else or post about it on other threads . Basically you are a 1 pop shot and it looks like that was a dud .
Nope, i have a job and hobbies. FHAL was something i stumbled into....although I do have a few others in my portfolio. Ive used it to learn a lot about the market, specifically pennies. I have no regrets, I made an ok return on this stock last year but of course missed out on some nice profits.
When this is "finished" I will still have everything I had back before June 06.....plus some additional wisdom. And, ill bet, you will STILL be trolling Allstocks insulting people as you seem to enjoy.
If you think i put any real "time" into CSHD these days you are horribly wrong. In fact, i believe i probably put less time into it than you do.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: I found it earlier today Tex, you said something like "Jenna, can you rein it in a little, it's hard to read all that with no context" or something.
Like I said, I took it to mean, "please give some background for some of the posts (because a lot of them seemed to be Rufus' replies but the questions weren't presented)"
However, if someone is predisposed to assuming that you (Tex) would be negative about something, I could see how it would be interpreted as saying "Hey, quit posting those things here."
I guess only Tex knows his intent, but it's probably between Jenna and him, and peopel like Mr C and I should let them discuss it if they so desire.
Agreed.....sorta. But I personally listened to our famous Tex calling in to Simon on SPR regarding CSHD. I dont recall his "intent" for the call but since he claims to be a non shareholder I guess it makes me wonder.
We all have our reasons and/or interests when it comes to CSHD or we wouldnt be here. Maybe I was out of line for pointing out Tex's comment to Jenna but the result was creating an account on the CSHD board so we wont have to worry about any more "out of context" posts being brought over from the other boards. Heck maybe this thread will die like some people want it to eh?
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As for posting on other threads so i can learn who is trustworthy and who is not? Naw, no thanks. This is exactly why you dont see me posting much on Allstocks anymore...on any thread. You simply can NOT determine who is trustworthy and who is not.
"thesource" is actually right. When this play is "over" you probably wont see me around anymore. Too much organized crime in the business for my liking!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Plus who cares if he has 7million shares, when his buddies loaded up at .09 and sold at $3.50
He's loaded from that.
Yea? Can you prove that or is that just your opinion? Im assuming that if you could prove it so could the SEC and Rufus would be pinned down already.
Its funny you even wrote in his "buddies" buy and sell price, you must be some sort of psychic.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wow... checking in and I have to say that IMO the last several pages of this thread should just be deleted...good Lord..English lessons and ridiculous "he said , she said" name calling immature posts...From 95% of the posters... It's no wonder that most of the posters here at Allstocks have left... (there ya go...I just added to the stupidness and yes...I know there is no such word as stupidness...unless you read this thread!!)
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Yea, I suppose so 10.
And actually, after re-reading mine...my comment about Tex calling SPR COULD be taking out of context as well heh. I simply mean that everyone....including non-shareholders, are glued to this stock for whatever reason. No offense was intended there.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Plus who cares if he has 7million shares, when his buddies loaded up at .09 and sold at $3.50
He's loaded from that.
Yea? Can you prove that or is that just your opinion? Im assuming that if you could prove it so could the SEC and Rufus would be pinned down already.
Its funny you even wrote in his "buddies" buy and sell price, you must be some sort of psychic.
Are you serious? Allstocks could ban me for this but I could care less. You must be NAIVE and DUMB to think that Rufus didnt have his friends buy cheap and sell high for him. How can anyone prove this? I didn't say relatives, I said friends. There is no way to prove something like that, but thats how he benefited from this whole thing. Anyone to believe in Rufus and think he got scammed by the system is a MORON.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Plus who cares if he has 7million shares, when his buddies loaded up at .09 and sold at $3.50
He's loaded from that.
Yea? Can you prove that or is that just your opinion? Im assuming that if you could prove it so could the SEC and Rufus would be pinned down already.
Its funny you even wrote in his "buddies" buy and sell price, you must be some sort of psychic.
Are you serious? Allstocks could ban me for this but I could care less. You must be NAIVE and DUMB to think that Rufus didnt have his friends buy cheap and sell high for him. How can anyone prove this? I didn't say relatives, I said friends. There is no way to prove something like that, but thats how he benefited from this whole thing. Anyone to believe in Rufus and think he got scammed by the system is a MORON.
Again you are writing "as fact". IMO these are the types of posts that should be deleted because it could misdirect people that dont follow CSHD closely. You have nothing to base your post on except your opinion.
And, FWIW, your opinion of me personally has nothing to do with the stock and should be left off the board.
Im simply not going to sell my shares until this is "done". If that means 5 years from now, i dont care. If it turns out im right....maybe i could get a bit more profit out of this. But, if it turns out YOU are right what did you gain? Bragging rights? LOL
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Plus who cares if he has 7million shares, when his buddies loaded up at .09 and sold at $3.50
He's loaded from that.
Yea? Can you prove that or is that just your opinion? Im assuming that if you could prove it so could the SEC and Rufus would be pinned down already.
Its funny you even wrote in his "buddies" buy and sell price, you must be some sort of psychic.
Are you serious? Allstocks could ban me for this but I could care less. You must be NAIVE and DUMB to think that Rufus didnt have his friends buy cheap and sell high for him. How can anyone prove this? I didn't say relatives, I said friends. There is no way to prove something like that, but thats how he benefited from this whole thing. Anyone to believe in Rufus and think he got scammed by the system is a MORON.
Again you are writing "as fact". IMO these are the types of posts that should be deleted because it could misdirect people that dont follow CSHD closely. You have nothing to base your post on except your opinion.
And, FWIW, your opinion of me personally has nothing to do with the stock and should be left off the board.
Im simply not going to sell my shares until this is "done". If that means 5 years from now, i dont care. If it turns out im right....maybe i could get a bit more profit out of this. But, if it turns out YOU are right what did you gain? Bragging rights? LOL
At some point people need to be realistic here. I hold all my shares, I'm not hoping this never turns around, but there is a 99.99% chance we will never see anything signficant change. For you or anyone to actually think that Rufus didnt have his friends buy and dump for him, I'll just keep laughing. That is what Rufus did, laughing all the way to the bank. Explain to me how some hick from Georgia who previously ran a piece of sh*t penny stock, miracolously obtained 5 billion worth of "assets".
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Plus who cares if he has 7million shares, when his buddies loaded up at .09 and sold at $3.50
He's loaded from that.
Yea? Can you prove that or is that just your opinion? Im assuming that if you could prove it so could the SEC and Rufus would be pinned down already.
Its funny you even wrote in his "buddies" buy and sell price, you must be some sort of psychic.
Are you serious? Allstocks could ban me for this but I could care less. You must be NAIVE and DUMB to think that Rufus didnt have his friends buy cheap and sell high for him. How can anyone prove this? I didn't say relatives, I said friends. There is no way to prove something like that, but thats how he benefited from this whole thing. Anyone to believe in Rufus and think he got scammed by the system is a MORON.
Again you are writing "as fact". IMO these are the types of posts that should be deleted because it could misdirect people that dont follow CSHD closely. You have nothing to base your post on except your opinion.
And, FWIW, your opinion of me personally has nothing to do with the stock and should be left off the board.
Im simply not going to sell my shares until this is "done". If that means 5 years from now, i dont care. If it turns out im right....maybe i could get a bit more profit out of this. But, if it turns out YOU are right what did you gain? Bragging rights? LOL
At some point people need to be realistic here. I hold all my shares, I'm not hoping this never turns around, but there is a 99.99% chance we will never see anything signficant change. For you or anyone to actually think that Rufus didnt have his friends buy and dump for him, I'll just keep laughing. That is what Rufus did, laughing all the way to the bank. Explain to me how some hick from Georgia who previously ran a piece of sh*t penny stock, miracolously obtained 5 billion worth of "assets".
I'll explain that when you can back up your statements of what Rufus' friends did for him.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Plus who cares if he has 7million shares, when his buddies loaded up at .09 and sold at $3.50
He's loaded from that.
Yea? Can you prove that or is that just your opinion? Im assuming that if you could prove it so could the SEC and Rufus would be pinned down already.
Its funny you even wrote in his "buddies" buy and sell price, you must be some sort of psychic.
Are you serious? Allstocks could ban me for this but I could care less. You must be NAIVE and DUMB to think that Rufus didnt have his friends buy cheap and sell high for him. How can anyone prove this? I didn't say relatives, I said friends. There is no way to prove something like that, but thats how he benefited from this whole thing. Anyone to believe in Rufus and think he got scammed by the system is a MORON.
Again you are writing "as fact". IMO these are the types of posts that should be deleted because it could misdirect people that dont follow CSHD closely. You have nothing to base your post on except your opinion.
And, FWIW, your opinion of me personally has nothing to do with the stock and should be left off the board.
Im simply not going to sell my shares until this is "done". If that means 5 years from now, i dont care. If it turns out im right....maybe i could get a bit more profit out of this. But, if it turns out YOU are right what did you gain? Bragging rights? LOL
At some point people need to be realistic here. I hold all my shares, I'm not hoping this never turns around, but there is a 99.99% chance we will never see anything signficant change. For you or anyone to actually think that Rufus didnt have his friends buy and dump for him, I'll just keep laughing. That is what Rufus did, laughing all the way to the bank. Explain to me how some hick from Georgia who previously ran a piece of sh*t penny stock, miracolously obtained 5 billion worth of "assets".
Dude, you must be reading too much ICRAP and H S M, or you are a down right pessimist totally insecure about your investment. Since you still own this stock, I suggest that you go into a more positive environment - Rufus' board on P R O B O A R D S. I guarantee you that you will have a different outlook on the future of this stock and you will see what kind of person he is. You accuse Rufus of a pump and dump that he cashed in on by his friends buying and selling. That is the lamest that I have ever heard. No proof, just your ignorant suspicion. Even if he did do that, why is he wasting his time with the CSHD longs on his board? Why is he wasting his time responding to the SEC charges - i.e. the latest filings? Why is he wasting his time encouraging CSHD longs that BIG things are coming, just watch? Why would he waste his time if he made out like a bandit in your so called pump and dump accusation.
Dude, seriously, you have no clue what is to come in the next few months, and if I were you, I would just shut my mouth, hold my shares, and be a little more patient. Things are happening and BIG things are about to start happening.
If he made so much money on the pump and dump, why isn't he living it up in some foreign country/island? You know that it is very, very difficult to extradite criminals from other countries back to the US. Also, if this were true the evidence would already have been presented by the SEC to the judge. Boy, I can go on and on with this......but it is Friday night and I have some drinks to drink - Yes, it does involve some Kool-Aid, but that is not the main ingredient.
Later dudes!
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Also, if this were true the evidence would already have been presented by the SEC to the judge. Boy, I can go on and on with this......but it is Friday night and I have some drinks to drink - Yes, it does involve some Kool-Aid, but that is not the main ingredient.
Later dudes! [/QB]
Speaking of evidence collected by the SEC............ wait what evidence?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Also, if this were true the evidence would already have been presented by the SEC to the judge. Boy, I can go on and on with this......but it is Friday night and I have some drinks to drink - Yes, it does involve some Kool-Aid, but that is not the main ingredient.
Later dudes!
Speaking of evidence collected by the SEC............ wait what evidence? [/QB]
Exactly, they're still looking for/fabricating evidence. I say 6+ months is long enough, granted they didn't have any to suspend this stock in the first place - just an accusation with NO FACTS! (Read their complaint - WHERE THE F--- ARE THE FACTS?). This just shows you how corrupt the SEC is, and how they treat penny stocks like red-headed step childs.
Posted by dollar13 on :
WHAT IS ALL THAT NOISE UP THERE Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: I found it earlier today Tex, you said something like "Jenna, can you rein it in a little, it's hard to read all that with no context" or something.
Like I said, I took it to mean, "please give some background for some of the posts (because a lot of them seemed to be Rufus' replies but the questions weren't presented)"
However, if someone is predisposed to assuming that you (Tex) would be negative about something, I could see how it would be interpreted as saying "Hey, quit posting those things here."
I guess only Tex knows his intent, but it's probably between Jenna and him, and peopel like Mr C and I should let them discuss it if they so desire.
wish I could do a "summary post," but am way too tired... bear with me...
PC posts:
quote:I took it to mean, "please give some background for some of the posts (because a lot of them seemed to be Rufus' replies but the questions weren't presented)"
that is indeed the spirt in which I posted...
now--
another thought from PC:
quote:However, if someone is predisposed to assuming that you (Tex) would be negative about something, I could see how it would be interpreted as saying "Hey, quit posting those things here."
oy... for one, I can't control anybody's predispositions; for two, I post neither "negative" nor "positive," as much as possible. Do some biases bleed through? Probably... but just on this play alone, I believe is a pretty good example: I'm confident of my posting history on this play, going all the way back to FHAL before the "price reset" was a gleam in "true longs'" eyes...
for three, if I post definitively to the effect: "Stop" "Quit" etc, then it's safe to assume I'm kicking into 'mod gear,' and whomever is getting the message is, at that point, being fairly advised.
It's funny, in a way, that so many are ignorant or forgetful of past board events. When I joined? as a total greenhorn...on the advantage side we had great posts, great DD, great humor going on... K was shoutin' out runners from the Daytrader room, Raptor was quite active, Glassy-Eyed-Bozo was still makin' picks...I could go on and on...
Disadvantages included a plethora of front-loading, pump 'n dump scammers. Most infamous was nomi_ugly aka momo aka dozens of others aliases. I remember--way before I was mod of just the NASDAQ forum--one day when they attacked the board with a concerted, well planned DOS-type attack that included dozens if not hundreds of porn images... For awhile, was TOTAL DISRUPTION! The mods at the time, and Bob, were busy for quite a while restoring order--and the thing is...we didn't freak out as a board. We knew why we were being attacked, and we knew order would be restored.
During that era, I must have busted at least 40 or so of those front-loading group-gropes... My language was often quite harsh.
Bottom line: I can't stand when scammers intentionally go after newbies and or the otherwise gullible...
I believe this online trading phenomenon has the power to revolutionize trading. Therefore we need all the good traders we can get... When the con artists win, and run off new traders cuz it's "too crooked,"...my friends, we all lose.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: I found it earlier today Tex, you said something like "Jenna, can you rein it in a little, it's hard to read all that with no context" or something.
Like I said, I took it to mean, "please give some background for some of the posts (because a lot of them seemed to be Rufus' replies but the questions weren't presented)"
However, if someone is predisposed to assuming that you (Tex) would be negative about something, I could see how it would be interpreted as saying "Hey, quit posting those things here."
I guess only Tex knows his intent, but it's probably between Jenna and him, and peopel like Mr C and I should let them discuss it if they so desire.
Agreed.....sorta. But I personally listened to our famous Tex calling in to Simon on SPR regarding CSHD. I dont recall his "intent" for the call but since he claims to be a non shareholder I guess it makes me wonder.
We all have our reasons and/or interests when it comes to CSHD or we wouldnt be here. Maybe I was out of line for pointing out Tex's comment to Jenna but the result was creating an account on the CSHD board so we wont have to worry about any more "out of context" posts being brought over from the other boards. Heck maybe this thread will die like some people want it to eh?
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As for posting on other threads so i can learn who is trustworthy and who is not? Naw, no thanks. This is exactly why you dont see me posting much on Allstocks anymore...on any thread. You simply can NOT determine who is trustworthy and who is not.
"thesource" is actually right. When this play is "over" you probably wont see me around anymore. Too much organized crime in the business for my liking!
*mark* for later response...
lol, as stated, am really tired Posted by PCola77 on :
Get some rest Tex. My eyes are glassing over right now as well. Just saving a few massive Excel files that take a few minutes so I can e-mail them to the boss then calling it a day (after close to 16 hours...)
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Dude, you must be reading too much ICRAP and H S M, or you are a down right pessimist totally insecure about your investment. Since you still own this stock, I suggest that you go into a more positive environment - Rufus' board on P R O B O A R D S. I guarantee you that you will have a different outlook on the future of this stock and you will see what kind of person he is. You accuse Rufus of a pump and dump that he cashed in on by his friends buying and selling. That is the lamest that I have ever heard. No proof, just your ignorant suspicion. Even if he did do that, why is he wasting his time with the CSHD longs on his board? Why is he wasting his time responding to the SEC charges - i.e. the latest filings? Why is he wasting his time encouraging CSHD longs that BIG things are coming, just watch? Why would he waste his time if he made out like a bandit in your so called pump and dump accusation.
Dude, seriously, you have no clue what is to come in the next few months, and if I were you, I would just shut my mouth, hold my shares, and be a little more patient. Things are happening and BIG things are about to start happening.
If he made so much money on the pump and dump, why isn't he living it up in some foreign country/island? You know that it is very, very difficult to extradite criminals from other countries back to the US. Also, if this were true the evidence would already have been presented by the SEC to the judge. Boy, I can go on and on with this......but it is Friday night and I have some drinks to drink - Yes, it does involve some Kool-Aid, but that is not the main ingredient.
Later dudes! [/QB][/QUOTE]
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex, no problem from me about your post from like 3 weeks ago regarding bringing the posts from Rufus' board over here....
I have invested over $20,000 into this stock & a lot of people have invested even more into this & if there are posts that people like me would want to see I WILL bring them here....& I'm sure you won't mind...& if you do then I guess you can kick me out...but somehow I think you wouldn't mind as long as I "put them into context".... Posted by Jenna on :
Just an FYI...
Some people here like to bash Rufus & that's your perogative....but just keep this in mind...I used to feel the same way...I was in the "Arlitt" camp, if you will...& I found out I was wrong...REALLY wrong....even when I spoke with him...he would say things, I would ask him questions, because, what he said didn't make sense, Yet he couldn't answer the question or said, "I don't know..."
I guess if it doesn't make sense, it's not true...
As far as Rufus goes....why is he still here? Why does he hang around? If he did a P&D why can't the SEC find the evidence? They have had 6 months to do it & have had the FBI involved & still nothing? Would it have been better for Rufus to take the money & go to another country? Why take the time to answer the default?
Let's just stick with the facts....Next time someone has a negative thing to say back it up....if you have proof to show that Rufus has done something wrong then show us a link, show us some proof, For god's sake the SEC could use your help!!!
By the way, Hi Source!!! (and this is not aimed at you it is for all).... Posted by Jenna on :
This is one of Rufus' last posts....he has not posted for a few days.....His quotes are in bold..
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Author Topic: Thursday, May 17th (Read 19,312 times) Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,055 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 1,072 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Thursday, May 17th « Reply #170 on May 17, 2007, 10:06am »
May 17, 2007, 10:01am, stockprophet wrote: May 17, 2007, 9:58am, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Oh So am I, I am just waiting for any legal response as to whom they recognize!!
I have 3 Stealth Bombers loaded and ready for that one!
GODSPEED
Good morning sir....
u think Alana, Bill, and the others figured it out yet? or do they not have a choice but to fight to the end and continue to say jibber jabber?
Stock I am so excited about the next filings and getting into the court room, that I am restless I am on 30 Hours and still burning at both ends Posted by PCola77 on :
Jenna, I could be 100% wrong on this, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my take.
Why are so many people assuming that the SEC has no proof? The way I understand things is that the SEC filed complaints against Rufus, and he had X days to respond or he would default to "guilty" Since he didn't respond in time, the SEC has no incentive to show their hand. They could have all the proof in the world, but until they are required to show it, they have no reason to.
You sometimes hear about leaks in jury trials, but for the most part, the prosecution doesn't release evidence to the public until they have to, which you have to agree is the way to go. I just think this is the same thing.
Until a judge says "Okay, SEC, Rufus countered with this evidence, where is yours", they are keeping their info close to the vest.
Would you do it any differently if you were the SEC?
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Jenna, I could be 100% wrong on this, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my take.
Why are so many people assuming that the SEC has no proof? The way I understand things is that the SEC filed complaints against Rufus, and he had X days to respond or he would default to "guilty" Since he didn't respond in time, the SEC has no incentive to show their hand. They could have all the proof in the world, but until they are required to show it, they have no reason to.
You sometimes hear about leaks in jury trials, but for the most part, the prosecution doesn't release evidence to the public until they have to, which you have to agree is the way to go. I just think this is the same thing.
Until a judge says "Okay, SEC, Rufus countered with this evidence, where is yours", they are keeping their info close to the vest.
Would you do it any differently if you were the SEC?
In that filing from the SEC last week, or two weeks ago, they stated they're still "gathering evidence" or something to that effect.
Posted by PCola77 on :
I would assume that is just for covering their ass so if they find anything else it's still admissible. But I haven't followed this as closely as many of you, so I could just be talking out of my ass.
Posted by milliam on :
I'm not sure what the SEC has found, but at the last court date, I don't think they had much concrete (if any) evidence. Hearing them say "we will find something" sure doesn't seem concrete!
They did talk about a P&D and were talking about Mike's wife. They said "she has a lot of shares". At the time I didn't think much about it, but since, we've found out she did sell. I would think if there has been a P&D, she will be in big trouble!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm not sure what the SEC has found, but at the last court date, I don't think they had much concrete (if any) evidence. Hearing them say "we will find something" sure doesn't seem concrete!
They did talk about a P&D and were talking about Mike's wife. They said "she has a lot of shares". At the time I didn't think much about it, but since, we've found out she did sell. I would think if there has been a P&D, she will be in big trouble!
I agree with you...I wonder, if the SEC doesn't come up with something concrete SOON does Rufus has the right to sue over malicious and libel comments?
Rufus...Just sit back and watch the SEC stumble over themselves looking for dirt that does not exist. Posted by stocktrader22 on :
And someone has yet to explain logically how a hick with sketchy past business secured 5 billion in assets. I sure as hell wouldn't give him any
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: And someone has yet to explain logically how a hick with sketchy past business secured 5 billion in assets. I sure as hell wouldn't give him any
Yet....you sorta did.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: And someone has yet to explain logically how a hick with sketchy past business secured 5 billion in assets. I sure as hell wouldn't give him any
Obviously you didn't care about that when you bought this stock, so why now?
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: And someone has yet to explain logically how a hick with sketchy past business secured 5 billion in assets. I sure as hell wouldn't give him any
Yet....you sorta did.
ROFLMAO!!!
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: And someone has yet to explain logically how a hick with sketchy past business secured 5 billion in assets. I sure as hell wouldn't give him any
Obviously you didn't care about that when you bought this stock, so why now?
When I bought the stock, I bought in because of stupidity, because of the promise of $15, because of the promise that this could be a "life changer". I was a fool and fell for it. Looking back now with a clearer view it becomes evident that many people got tricked by the same thing.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
This isn't over, so how can you say by fact that this will not happen?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm not sure what the SEC has found, but at the last court date, I don't think they had much concrete (if any) evidence. Hearing them say "we will find something" sure doesn't seem concrete!
They did talk about a P&D and were talking about Mike's wife. They said "she has a lot of shares". At the time I didn't think much about it, but since, we've found out she did sell. I would think if there has been a P&D, she will be in big trouble!
I agree with you...I wonder, if the SEC doesn't come up with something concrete SOON does Rufus has the right to sue over malicious and libel comments?
Rufus...Just sit back and watch the SEC stumble over themselves looking for dirt that does not exist.
I wouldn't expect anything soon...even though they got expedited discovery, SEC can be quite ponderous in sifting through everything. Remember CMKX, the diamond fiasco? Was a coupla years before SEC moved in on them... And no, language in lawsuits isn't subject to libel, etc...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: This isn't over, so how can you say by fact that this will not happen?
It's not over? Oh sorry, it must be barely breathing.
A stock that traded over $3 at one time now at .01
sure its not over?
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: This isn't over, so how can you say by fact that this will not happen?
It's not over? Oh sorry, it must be barely breathing.
A stock that traded over $3 at one time now at .01
sure its not over?
It will only be over if it goes into receivership, which by the looks of the sec's lack of evidence, isn't going to happen.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: This isn't over, so how can you say by fact that this will not happen?
It's not over? Oh sorry, it must be barely breathing.
A stock that traded over $3 at one time now at .01
sure its not over?
If the glass is half empty to you, then sell and move on. And yes, I am sure it is not over - SEC case still on-going, and Rufus is still around.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just an FYI...
Some people here like to bash Rufus & that's your perogative....but just keep this in mind...I used to feel the same way...I was in the "Arlitt" camp, if you will...& I found out I was wrong...REALLY wrong....even when I spoke with him...he would say things, I would ask him questions, because, what he said didn't make sense, Yet he couldn't answer the question or said, "I don't know..."
I guess if it doesn't make sense, it's not true...
As far as Rufus goes....why is he still here? Why does he hang around? If he did a P&D why can't the SEC find the evidence? They have had 6 months to do it & have had the FBI involved & still nothing? Would it have been better for Rufus to take the money & go to another country? Why take the time to answer the default?
Let's just stick with the facts....Next time someone has a negative thing to say back it up....if you have proof to show that Rufus has done something wrong then show us a link, show us some proof, For god's sake the SEC could use your help!!!
By the way, Hi Source!!! (and this is not aimed at you it is for all)....
OK Jenna, time to climb back on the bandwagon. You can understand all of the skepticism around here, especially with the long wait for his response to the Default and no lawyer along with it.
Logically our only real hope of recovering from our low estate is for RPH to have what he says he has, and for him to prevail in court. If he loses in court and the company goes into receivership then that means there is nothing to be gotten anyway. Then the only solace would be to see him convicted for crime(s) and maybe sent to jail. But then still no $ return for us.
So now the main thrust of our view of RPH is, do we TRUST him? To answer this let us look at the 3 logical possibilities of his position: (1,000,000 Grace Points to whoever gets the answer to the author and name of the book where this reasoning comes from)
1) RPH is a LIAR. He knows that this is all a sham and he is pulling a Smoke and Mirrors game.
2) RPH is a LUNITIC. He is deceived about the bonds and was duped by the people around him.
3) RPH is for REAL. He truely does have the goods and his intentions are to expose illegal activity concerning CSHD stock.
There has been a lot of speculation on this board lately (mine included) that support #1 and #2. But as Jenna points out that if RPH is ready to put his family at jeopardy and stick around to face the SEC alone, it indicates to me that he must have full assurance and confidence in what he is doing. I think if he is ready to risk all for the 'common good', then we as stockholders should support him, if for no other reason than a desire to see a decent return on our investment.
OK Jenna, I'm back onboard. Hit'em where it hurts RPH. GO CSHD
IMHO
Mo
Posted by 10of13 on :
Mo stated... "There has been a lot of speculation on this board lately (mine included) that support #1 and #2. But as Jenna points out that if RPH is ready to put his family at jeopardy and stick around to face the SEC alone, it indicates to me that he must have full assurance and confidence in what he is doing. I think if he is ready to risk all for the 'common good', then we as stockholders should support him, if for no other reason than a desire to see a decent return on our investment."
I don't need to change a word...Perfect! Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: This isn't over, so how can you say by fact that this will not happen?
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS, YOUR PUMPING CSHD
WTF
WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR BRAIN WASH?
LMAO
Posted by T e x on :
um...hate to be a wet blanket...but, putting family at risk is not the mark of prudence. Had I only a fraction of the claimed assets, I would make darn sure my family was safely tucked away from whatever threat is being claimed... Likewise, taking "on the SEC alone" should be cause for great alarm... Think of other company leaders in the news, say, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Warren Buffet, etc... How would their companies' shareholders react if the CEO responded to such a complaint by "taking on the SEC alone"?
No logic in this argument...
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: um...hate to be a wet blanket...but, putting family at risk is not the mark of prudence. Had I only a fraction of the claimed assets, I would make darn sure my family was safely tucked away from whatever threat is being claimed... Likewise, taking "on the SEC alone" should be cause for great alarm... Think of other company leaders in the news, say, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Warren Buffet, etc... How would their companies' shareholders react if the CEO responded to such a complaint by "taking on the SEC alone"?
No logic in this argument...
Depends on which side of the Looking Glass you're on 'Alice'.
LOL
Posted by T e x on :
not really...although, lol, the "wonderland" allusion is appropos...but, no, there's no legit way to justify putting one's family at risk. Poor or rich, you use whatever your best means available to ensure safety of your family. If you believed your own family was at risk, you would take measures to ensure their safety, right?
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: not really...although, lol, the "wonderland" allusion is appropos...but, no, there's no legit way to justify putting one's family at risk. Poor or rich, you use whatever your best means available to ensure safety of your family. If you believed your own family was at risk, you would take measures to ensure their safety, right?
Actually I was thinking more of them (his family) losing him if he goes to jail.
So then he does not think he is putting them in jeopardy this way. i.e. he has the goods.
Posted by 10of13 on :
My point was...that there is no "other choice" at this time in the "game"...RPH has it or he doesn't... and we can only wait to see if we get... "a decent return on our investment." Alice already went down the rabbit hole...tick tock...
Posted by T e x on :
well, if he goes to jail, it won't be via the SEC...but if that *does* happen, it would be from decisions he made, not from external or outside threats... And, once again, retaining competent counsel would be prudent, both for himself and for his family.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Whats going to happen is Rufus won't have the goods, he will pay a fine and settle, and wont be a public officer for 5 years dealie.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: well, if he goes to jail, it won't be via the SEC...but if that *does* happen, it would be from decisions he made, not from external or outside threats... And, once again, retaining competent counsel would be prudent, both for himself and for his family.
Agreed, gotta run, my house just went into escrow and I must deliver some papers to my RE agent.
TTFN
Posted by T e x on :
"Alice already went down the rabbit hole...tick tock..."
lol...
quote:Alice: If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary-wise; what it is it wouldn't be, and what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO...Exactly Tex...!!!! Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: um...hate to be a wet blanket...but, putting family at risk is not the mark of prudence. Had I only a fraction of the claimed assets, I would make darn sure my family was safely tucked away from whatever threat is being claimed... Likewise, taking "on the SEC alone" should be cause for great alarm... Think of other company leaders in the news, say, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Warren Buffet, etc... How would their companies' shareholders react if the CEO responded to such a complaint by "taking on the SEC alone"?
No logic in this argument...
Yay, you just compared Rufus to the likes of Gates, Dell and Buffet! Enjoying the koolaide there Tex! Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Jenna, I could be 100% wrong on this, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my take.
Why are so many people assuming that the SEC has no proof? The way I understand things is that the SEC filed complaints against Rufus, and he had X days to respond or he would default to "guilty" Since he didn't respond in time, the SEC has no incentive to show their hand. They could have all the proof in the world, but until they are required to show it, they have no reason to.
You sometimes hear about leaks in jury trials, but for the most part, the prosecution doesn't release evidence to the public until they have to, which you have to agree is the way to go. I just think this is the same thing.
Until a judge says "Okay, SEC, Rufus countered with this evidence, where is yours", they are keeping their info close to the vest.
Would you do it any differently if you were the SEC?
Yes, I would do it differently. If I had proof there was a fraud, then I would act quickly to protect the shareholders....
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by dollar13:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: This isn't over, so how can you say by fact that this will not happen?
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS, YOUR PUMPING CSHD
WTF
WHERE DID YOU GET YOUR BRAIN WASH?
LMAO
I'm not pumping it, I'm defending it - SO BITE ME! Posted by Jenna on :
Well put Mo...I enjoyed the post...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna? Anything on Dante?
Posted by Jenna on :
Hi 10, Dante is still in a coma, not sure if the tumors shrank yet, going to find out soon...Thanks for asking....
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just an FYI...
Some people here like to bash Rufus & that's your perogative....but just keep this in mind...I used to feel the same way...I was in the "Arlitt" camp, if you will...& I found out I was wrong...REALLY wrong....even when I spoke with him...he would say things, I would ask him questions, because, what he said didn't make sense, Yet he couldn't answer the question or said, "I don't know..."
I guess if it doesn't make sense, it's not true...
As far as Rufus goes....why is he still here? Why does he hang around? If he did a P&D why can't the SEC find the evidence? They have had 6 months to do it & have had the FBI involved & still nothing? Would it have been better for Rufus to take the money & go to another country? Why take the time to answer the default?
Let's just stick with the facts....Next time someone has a negative thing to say back it up....if you have proof to show that Rufus has done something wrong then show us a link, show us some proof, For god's sake the SEC could use your help!!!
By the way, Hi Source!!! (and this is not aimed at you it is for all)....
OK Jenna, time to climb back on the bandwagon. You can understand all of the skepticism around here, especially with the long wait for his response to the Default and no lawyer along with it.
Logically our only real hope of recovering from our low estate is for RPH to have what he says he has, and for him to prevail in court. If he loses in court and the company goes into receivership then that means there is nothing to be gotten anyway. Then the only solace would be to see him convicted for crime(s) and maybe sent to jail. But then still no $ return for us.
So now the main thrust of our view of RPH is, do we TRUST him? To answer this let us look at the 3 logical possibilities of his position: (1,000,000 Grace Points to whoever gets the answer to the author and name of the book where this reasoning comes from)
1) RPH is a LIAR. He knows that this is all a sham and he is pulling a Smoke and Mirrors game.
2) RPH is a LUNITIC. He is deceived about the bonds and was duped by the people around him.
3) RPH is for REAL. He truely does have the goods and his intentions are to expose illegal activity concerning CSHD stock.
There has been a lot of speculation on this board lately (mine included) that support #1 and #2. But as Jenna points out that if RPH is ready to put his family at jeopardy and stick around to face the SEC alone, it indicates to me that he must have full assurance and confidence in what he is doing. I think if he is ready to risk all for the 'common good', then we as stockholders should support him, if for no other reason than a desire to see a decent return on our investment.
OK Jenna, I'm back onboard. Hit'em where it hurts RPH. GO CSHD
IMHO
Mo
With all of the good DDer's here, I am suprised that there was not one who would take up my challenge to find the book and author where the 'trilema' reasoning was made popular. So then I will give you the author's name which should make it easy to find the book's name. His name is Josh McDowell, and to some of you this may 'ring a bell'.
This may be a better question for RPH's board, but let's see if it will fly here.
Mo
Posted by PCola77 on :
Then I think you're misunderstanding the SEC. They protect the SYSTEM, not individual investors
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Yes, I would do it differently. If I had proof there was a fraud, then I would act quickly to protect the shareholders....
Posted by new2stocks on :
More Lee Webb!
http://www.stock watch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-689063-U:CSHD&symbol=CSHD&news_r egion=U
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just an FYI...
Some people here like to bash Rufus & that's your perogative....but just keep this in mind...I used to feel the same way...I was in the "Arlitt" camp, if you will...& I found out I was wrong...REALLY wrong....even when I spoke with him...he would say things, I would ask him questions, because, what he said didn't make sense, Yet he couldn't answer the question or said, "I don't know..."
I guess if it doesn't make sense, it's not true...
As far as Rufus goes....why is he still here? Why does he hang around? If he did a P&D why can't the SEC find the evidence? They have had 6 months to do it & have had the FBI involved & still nothing? Would it have been better for Rufus to take the money & go to another country? Why take the time to answer the default?
Let's just stick with the facts....Next time someone has a negative thing to say back it up....if you have proof to show that Rufus has done something wrong then show us a link, show us some proof, For god's sake the SEC could use your help!!!
By the way, Hi Source!!! (and this is not aimed at you it is for all)....
OK Jenna, time to climb back on the bandwagon. You can understand all of the skepticism around here, especially with the long wait for his response to the Default and no lawyer along with it.
Logically our only real hope of recovering from our low estate is for RPH to have what he says he has, and for him to prevail in court. If he loses in court and the company goes into receivership then that means there is nothing to be gotten anyway. Then the only solace would be to see him convicted for crime(s) and maybe sent to jail. But then still no $ return for us.
So now the main thrust of our view of RPH is, do we TRUST him? To answer this let us look at the 3 logical possibilities of his position: (1,000,000 Grace Points to whoever gets the answer to the author and name of the book where this reasoning comes from)
1) RPH is a LIAR. He knows that this is all a sham and he is pulling a Smoke and Mirrors game.
2) RPH is a LUNITIC. He is deceived about the bonds and was duped by the people around him.
3) RPH is for REAL. He truely does have the goods and his intentions are to expose illegal activity concerning CSHD stock.
There has been a lot of speculation on this board lately (mine included) that support #1 and #2. But as Jenna points out that if RPH is ready to put his family at jeopardy and stick around to face the SEC alone, it indicates to me that he must have full assurance and confidence in what he is doing. I think if he is ready to risk all for the 'common good', then we as stockholders should support him, if for no other reason than a desire to see a decent return on our investment.
OK Jenna, I'm back onboard. Hit'em where it hurts RPH. GO CSHD
IMHO
Mo
With all of the good DDer's here, I am suprised that there was not one who would take up my challenge to find the book and author where the 'trilema' reasoning was made popular. So then I will give you the author's name which should make it easy to find the book's name. His name is Josh McDowell, and to some of you this may 'ring a bell'.
This may be a better question for RPH's board, but let's see if it will fly here.
Mo
actually, that particular bit comes from C.S. Lewis, and it doesn't apply in this case...
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Wrong Tex, Josh McDowell based this on some of what C.S. Lewis said and wrote, but then he developed the theme and it became the central issue of a very popular (in Christian circles) book that he wrote that you obviously have not read. (And you are not taking this lighthearted enough, remember these are Grace Points you're going after).
Posted by a surfer on :
LOL... Hello Mo!!
Good to see you here!
Working a bit too much lately here.
Just think another year and a half and we'll all be rich.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: LOL... Hello Mo!!
Good to see you here!
Working a bit too much lately here.
Just think another year and a half and we'll all be rich.
Hey Surf, good to see you. You're going to have to get free more. Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: LOL... Hello Mo!!
Good to see you here!
Working a bit too much lately here.
Just think another year and a half and we'll all be rich.
a surfer: "Just think another year and a half and we'll all be rich."
I see that you haven't been to RPH's board lately. Our money is just around the corner! Posted by T e x on :
lol, Mo..."Josh McDowell based this on some of what C.S. Lewis said and wrote" ... we agree.
The main point, anyway, was that it doesn't apply here...unless we're gonna annoint a certain CEO Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, Mo..."Josh McDowell based this on some of what C.S. Lewis said and wrote" ... we agree.
The main point, anyway, was that it doesn't apply here...unless we're gonna annoint a certain CEO
LOL Tex, all I was looking for was the 'trilemma' reasoning that Josh basically coined in his book. What with all of the 'God' referrences I thought there would be someone who recognized this, I mean this book was VERY popular and this LLL argument was the central theme of the book.
As far as the anointing goes, that might be what it takes at this point. Posted by mo-rydr on :
Come on now Tex, by now I know you know the name of the book. You can say it... just think of all the Grace Points you'll get... Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: um...hate to be a wet blanket...but, putting family at risk is not the mark of prudence. Had I only a fraction of the claimed assets, I would make darn sure my family was safely tucked away from whatever threat is being claimed... Likewise, taking "on the SEC alone" should be cause for great alarm... Think of other company leaders in the news, say, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Warren Buffet, etc... How would their companies' shareholders react if the CEO responded to such a complaint by "taking on the SEC alone"?
No logic in this argument...
Yay, you just compared Rufus to the likes of Gates, Dell and Buffet! Enjoying the koolaide there Tex!
wheeee....we're havin' fun, now...
So by way of comparison, how does he stack up?
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: LOL... Hello Mo!!
Good to see you here!
Working a bit too much lately here.
Just think another year and a half and we'll all be rich.
a surfer: "Just think another year and a half and we'll all be rich."
I see that you haven't been to RPH's board lately. Our money is just around the corner!
What are you talking about? Its been around the corner for close to a year now, .
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: LOL... Hello Mo!!
Good to see you here!
Working a bit too much lately here.
Just think another year and a half and we'll all be rich.
a surfer: "Just think another year and a half and we'll all be rich."
I see that you haven't been to RPH's board lately. Our money is just around the corner!
What are you talking about? Its been around the corner for close to a year now, .
Yeah, if we could only get there. Posted by TimW on :
If its around the corner, and its been there for a year, at least we should feel safe knowing its not going anywhere!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: um...hate to be a wet blanket...but, putting family at risk is not the mark of prudence. Had I only a fraction of the claimed assets, I would make darn sure my family was safely tucked away from whatever threat is being claimed... Likewise, taking "on the SEC alone" should be cause for great alarm... Think of other company leaders in the news, say, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Warren Buffet, etc... How would their companies' shareholders react if the CEO responded to such a complaint by "taking on the SEC alone"?
No logic in this argument...
Yay, you just compared Rufus to the likes of Gates, Dell and Buffet! Enjoying the koolaide there Tex!
wheeee....we're havin' fun, now...
So by way of comparison, how does he stack up?
He's definitely in a different "field".....which has been "left field" a good part of the time. I dont believe he ever intended to be a CEO (and he has pretty much said this) but he has a fight in him and appears to be dedicated to it.
Ive described him as Captain Ahab before and ill stick with that for now. Please, no one tell me how that book ends!! Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Funny,
Rufus Paul Harris, Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet all in the same ballpark. ROTFLMAO...
Rufus did say we would remember his name! LOL
About the closest they get to one another may be a Ballpark frank at one of Rufie's BBQ's.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Then I think you're misunderstanding the SEC. They protect the SYSTEM, not individual investors
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Yes, I would do it differently. If I had proof there was a fraud, then I would act quickly to protect the shareholders....
Really??? When I spoke to Alana Black (SEC attorney) she told me herself that she was protecting the shareholders from fraud & also protecting potential shareholders....She also said that it was her job to get shareholders some sort of restitution if she finds a fraud was commited...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Of course she's going to say that! But was it in the best interest of anyone besides any shorts that existed to let this open on the greys and subsequently lose 99.5% of its value?
It's obvious to me that the SEC protects "investors" as a group, while screwing individual people who are holding a stock when they decide to act.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Then I think you're misunderstanding the SEC. They protect the SYSTEM, not individual investors
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Yes, I would do it differently. If I had proof there was a fraud, then I would act quickly to protect the shareholders....
Really??? When I spoke to Alana Black (SEC attorney) she told me herself that she was protecting the shareholders from fraud & also protecting potential shareholders....She also said that it was her job to get shareholders some sort of restitution if she finds a fraud was commited...
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey PC, still love you but this is directly from the SEC site itself.....
Introduction The mission of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is to protect investors , maintain fair, orderly, and efficient markets, and facilitate capital formation.
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Of course she's going to say that! But was it in the best interest of anyone besides any shorts that existed to let this open on the greys and subsequently lose 99.5% of its value?
It's obvious to me that the SEC protects "investors" as a group, while screwing individual people who are holding a stock when they decide to act.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Then I think you're misunderstanding the SEC. They protect the SYSTEM, not individual investors
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Yes, I would do it differently. If I had proof there was a fraud, then I would act quickly to protect the shareholders....
Really??? When I spoke to Alana Black (SEC attorney) she told me herself that she was protecting the shareholders from fraud & also protecting potential shareholders....She also said that it was her job to get shareholders some sort of restitution if she finds a fraud was commited...
I understand what you are saying....& I agree if what you are trying to say is (while they are protecting us they are screwing us) I agree...
They should have keep this halted & not let it trade on the grey's...& Tex before you chime in & say that "they can only suspend trading for 10 days" I know that but I'm just saying if they are truely, truely in it to help us, then they would change the rules...& would have kept the trading suspended....that's all....
By the way....what the heck happened to this site??????
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna? By the way....what the heck happened to this site?????? Posted by Igor R on :
Im going to guess she means is not nearly as active as it used to be. But that's just me.
Posted by Jenna on :
I know it's not as active....
Just seems like people are arguing a lot...
Where's the love people??? I still love you all!!!
Posted by Igor R on :
Jenna nothing on rufies site of interest lately?
Love you too btw LOL.
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey Igor...I will bring over his posts shortly...kids are hungry....
Basically, he is talking about another company for us to DD....MHII
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
OK, I'm trying to catch up again reading several boards...
Did the SEC tell Rufus to "unwind" the merger since MA did not disclose some hidden shares?
Like I said, I'm trying to catch up.
Oh, and by the way, i agree with the conversation about the SEC protecting us. Yes, protect us by screwing us. Should have left the damn thing alone!
Posted by T e x on :
Jenna, the SEC can only....
just kidding
Keeping companies suspended denies due process. Anybody who dislikes the way it is now would've hated the way it used it to be...
also, btw, I know there wasn't a problem you and me on that other deal. Thanks for the shout out, though...
Posted by PCola77 on :
And this is directly from the site of every pink sheet company "Our number one priority is to the shareholders".
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey PC, still love you but this is directly from the SEC site itself.....
Introduction The mission of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is to protect investors , maintain fair, orderly, and efficient markets, and facilitate capital formation.
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Jenna, I could be 100% wrong on this, so someone correct me if I'm wrong, but here's my take.
Why are so many people assuming that the SEC has no proof? The way I understand things is that the SEC filed complaints against Rufus, and he had X days to respond or he would default to "guilty" Since he didn't respond in time, the SEC has no incentive to show their hand. They could have all the proof in the world, but until they are required to show it, they have no reason to.
You sometimes hear about leaks in jury trials, but for the most part, the prosecution doesn't release evidence to the public until they have to, which you have to agree is the way to go. I just think this is the same thing.
Until a judge says "Okay, SEC, Rufus countered with this evidence, where is yours", they are keeping their info close to the vest.
Would you do it any differently if you were the SEC?
You are 100% right about the SEC having to show their hands . Until CSHD responds as a company , the SEC doesn't have to show crap . Think of it like playing poker . If you bluff the other person out and they fold , you don't have to show your hand . If they call you on the hand then you show it but that cost them more money to do so .
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Jenna, the SEC can only....
just kidding
Keeping companies suspended denies due process. Anybody who dislikes the way it is now would've hated the way it used it to be...
also, btw, I know there wasn't a problem you and me on that other deal. Thanks for the shout out, though...
That was a good way to start that post Tex, you got me on that one....you're a good sport!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Not that anyone cares but I thought I would share that I got my cert today.... Posted by retiredat49 on :
Sounds really great Jenna...but that is the biggest line of BS that I have ever read...I'm with PC on this one...you don't "protect" shareholders by forcing this stock to the greys and giving complete control of the pps to the lowlifes that have shorted the hell out of it...I have about as much faith in the SEC as I have in most politicians, which equates to...ZERO!
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey PC, still love you but this is directly from the SEC site itself.....
Introduction The mission of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is to protect investors , maintain fair, orderly, and efficient markets, and facilitate capital formation.
quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: Sounds really great Jenna...but that is the biggest line of BS that I have ever read...I'm with PC on this one...you don't "protect" shareholders by forcing this stock to the greys and giving complete control of the pps to the lowlifes that have shorted the hell out of it...I have about as much faith in the SEC as I have in most politicians, which equates to...ZERO!
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey PC, still love you but this is directly from the SEC site itself.....
Introduction The mission of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is to protect investors , maintain fair, orderly, and efficient markets, and facilitate capital formation.
I think you mean you agree with me....that's how I feel....they are supposed to be protecting us but in the meantime have thrown us to the wolves...
Posted by T e x on :
lol, don't get too fired up..."retiredat49" also ain't a big fan of p 'n d scammers who fleece newbs...
Posted by retiredat49 on :
Jenna...the SEC doesn't have a handle on a lot of things that are going on in the market right now, and they certainly aren't protecting CSHD shareholders...if that's what you believe...then we agree
Tex...lol, I rate those P&D scam artists right up there with pond scum...hate to see anyone get duped...
Posted by Jenna on :
If people think I am siding with the SEC you have read my post completely wrong...
I am saying that they have stated to me personally & they have on their website that their purpose is to protect the shareholders BUT THEY ACTUALLY ARE NOT!!!
That is my complaint....why aren't you guys getting that?? Maybe I wasn't clear enough...
I feel like the SEC knows we got raped & then they let the rapist back in our room again....GET IT?? ....not protected at all...
...and TEX I don't think anyone likes a Pump & Dump scam....Who does? ...well, maybe the crooks...
I would like to see proof of a dump here....please, if you have proof, send it to the SEC...I think they need help...So far, the only thing anyone has found as far as a dump has been MA gifting shares.....last time I checked MA was not Rufus....
Have a great day all...be back later...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, don't get too fired up..."retiredat49" also ain't a big fan of p 'n d scammers who fleece newbs...
I was a "fleeced" newbie last year for sure so I can understand the dislike for the p 'n dumpers. It was my fleecing in some of my other plays that caused me to skim some profits from CSHD so im thankful for the lesson learned but VERY cautious these days. It took me a lonnnnng time to understand some of your posts specifically Tex....ie explaining when I was coming off pumpish or pointing out where pumping was taking place.
I hope "someone" took note of the activity on the FHAL thread from November 05 ~ October 06. I strongly suspect there was some fleecing taking place here on Allstocks! Its interesting going back and reading those threads today....knowing what i know now.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
From Rufus - Getting some things off his chest this morning.............
In a public or even private corporation you have what is called Authorized and Issued shares!! That is it!!
The MM’s do not care what your books say; they do not care about the law. They will sell shares behind the DTC system direct to another MM and do it with no fear!!
Our Government does not care because the people doing it make large contributions and are the money centers of the economy.
Their profits go to the bottom line of their books, hiding their elusive and large salaries.
A Good question; why did TD Ameritrade sell Knight? A very profitable business!! Some one posted that we can not see anything changing in the market, well then you are not paying attention!!
I can understand personal financial problems, but understand this 95% of you bought shares that are not real, you broker sold you illegal shares and when push comes to shove your broker will pass the buck to knight!! Some of you say that you bought shares just because of Rufus Paul Harris, and feel the need to vent on me, just remember this; I did not sell you yours illegal shares, but I am here to help you get our just reward!!
Knight and a few others are our goal, the golden eggs in the basket per say.
Yes the SEC and other government agencies sit back and do nothing, they have for years and if they do not know the truth of the system then our country is in grave trouble and run by idiots!!
Yes they know the system but taking on the RICO rings of Wall Street takes faith, something they lack!! You see, you can not work for the SEC with the knowledge of the true system, do nothing and have a good heart at the same time.
The SEC was founded to protect the investors not the fraudsters!! Just reading that seems dirty doesn’t it!!
I have told everyone and even put it in PR’s about the illegal shares from way back! I have stated in PR’s and 8-K’s that if you buy a share ask for your HCC.
Those of you that are feeling financial pressure, GODSPEED and May your GOD BLESS you and your family.
To the negative posters; You either find your peace with the truth of the situation or understand that I and others are working against the Beast and will fight the good fight until victory or just stop posting, vent on IHUB or HSM where negativity is sowed.
Everyone is in the same boat, Yes I as CEO want long term investors, I have stated in the past if you are in for short term profits I do not want you as a shareholders, and Yes I stated that when we were at $3.35 per share not .016!!
OTCBB, PK and most NASDAQ stocks are like playing the slots in Vegas, the system is not designed for you to make a quick buck unless you are a Wall Street player and receive phone calls from other MM ‘s to plot your exit!!
The Fact of the situation is; if you are worried about a quick exit to sell your shares for profits and not worried about your portfolio value then you are not an investor but a flipper.
CSHD is designed for long term investors and if you truly listened to what I have said on message boards and SPR then you would know that or if you have read the wed site!! The corporation is and was designed to give the investor returns through subsidiaries stock spin-off’s.
Yes, due to the system and illegal market activity we are where we are today!!
I can not continue to be the glue that holds the sanity on this board, I have very important meetings coming up and will be around a lot less!!
This Board was created for the longs to have a place that they do not have to hear lies and ridicule from false prophets and read the crap of spinsters, a safe haven per say!!
Things are going very well for us!! This is the point where some of you realize that some of the so called longs are ghost voices!!
Do not expect to be updated daily, and beware of those that try to sway your attitude toward the dark side!! We are all in the same boat and if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem!!
Just a few things that I needed to get off of my chest!! To those of you that are offended, Hmmmmmm
Hold on tight we are headed over the last and the roughest rapids of the trip!!
Those with peace and foresight; look around and you will see monkeys humping footballs, throwing rocks, throwing crap, and with sticks trying to poke holes in our rafts.
GODSPEED and Love Ya All Link to Post - Back to Top IP: Logged GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Posted by PCola77 on :
Okay, the "humping footballs" comment does it. He's totally, 100% insane...
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus, & others talking about the CEO drama...Rufus' post is in bold...
Today at 11:38am, St. Matthew wrote:Rufus,
Question...when we were in Dallas at La Finca's, you suggested (even urged) that someone start a SHC. Was this part of your foresight...in effect making it part of the plan? Did you want to expose their plan to take over the company illegally?
Today at 11:31am, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Let me help you understand the seriousness of all of the circumstances!! They used MA’s 50 million (which is what NIR shorted against!!) to vote with out a published proxy; this is typical of them and was fully expected, yes a little foresight on my behalf.
A Big Problem that creates; MA also voted the same shares without a published proxy on the merger!! Uhhh Ohhhhh
Because of no SEC filing at the time the shares where not even in the DTC system and would not have showed up in a legal proxy vote via ADP NOBO!!!
There is so much more!!!
This is what I do people and I don’t lose
Yes too an extent: It could have went two ways, good people showed up and preformed via the corporate charters or the crap floated to the top and violated state, federal and corporate laws to perform a takeover!! Either way it would have worked to the better; 1 good people could have moved the corporation forward with guidance or 2 exposed the bad intentions of a few This was necessary, if we would have went into court and won then the crooks showed up to perform a cover up after they rubbed the SEC butt by making kiss butt filings, we could have loss the assets There was never any legal cooperation from the TA or the corporation; They never produced the SEC codes for filing on EDGAR, just another illegal action in the WEBB of deceit!! That showed to us that they were never going to go a way
GODSPEED Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Oye!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
What gives?
5 time the daily volume today!
WOW Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: What gives?
5 time the daily volume today!
WOW
Yea thats kinda weird considering that it has dropped significantly the last couple of weeks. I seriously doubt that these are legit trades.....i just cant wrap my mind around that possibility at this point in the game.
Posted by Jenna on :
Just in case anyone had the same question for Rufus:
Rufus' answer in bold...
*************************************************
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
member is offline
Chairman & CEO
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,108 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 1,137 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Thursday, May 24th « Reply #650 on Yesterday at 9:16pm »
Yesterday at 9:13pm, rwscott01 wrote:hey RUFUS, just wondering about the s-4...dont you need that to make the merger "official" if not please tell me, im not that educated on that part i guess.
No S-4 was only to register cvsu convertible note holders and ABS Posted by T e x on :
sounds like pretty fine hair-splitting to me...
Jenna, ask 'em--if it's not necessary, why was it mentioned in the 8K that describes the proposed merger?
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex, I have no idea about this S-4 stuff, but I thought for those of you that do, that this would be nice to know.... Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: From Rufus - Getting some things off his chest this morning.............
In a public or even private corporation you have what is called Authorized and Issued shares!! That is it!!
The MM’s do not care what your books say; they do not care about the law. They will sell shares behind the DTC system direct to another MM and do it with no fear!!
Our Government does not care because the people doing it make large contributions and are the money centers of the economy.
Their profits go to the bottom line of their books, hiding their elusive and large salaries.
A Good question; why did TD Ameritrade sell Knight? A very profitable business!! Some one posted that we can not see anything changing in the market, well then you are not paying attention!!
I can understand personal financial problems, but understand this 95% of you bought shares that are not real, you broker sold you illegal shares and when push comes to shove your broker will pass the buck to knight!! Some of you say that you bought shares just because of Rufus Paul Harris, and feel the need to vent on me, just remember this; I did not sell you yours illegal shares, but I am here to help you get our just reward!!
Knight and a few others are our goal, the golden eggs in the basket per say.
Yes the SEC and other government agencies sit back and do nothing, they have for years and if they do not know the truth of the system then our country is in grave trouble and run by idiots!!
Yes they know the system but taking on the RICO rings of Wall Street takes faith, something they lack!! You see, you can not work for the SEC with the knowledge of the true system, do nothing and have a good heart at the same time.
The SEC was founded to protect the investors not the fraudsters!! Just reading that seems dirty doesn’t it!!
I have told everyone and even put it in PR’s about the illegal shares from way back! I have stated in PR’s and 8-K’s that if you buy a share ask for your HCC.
Those of you that are feeling financial pressure, GODSPEED and May your GOD BLESS you and your family.
To the negative posters; You either find your peace with the truth of the situation or understand that I and others are working against the Beast and will fight the good fight until victory or just stop posting, vent on IHUB or HSM where negativity is sowed.
Everyone is in the same boat, Yes I as CEO want long term investors, I have stated in the past if you are in for short term profits I do not want you as a shareholders, and Yes I stated that when we were at $3.35 per share not .016!!
OTCBB, PK and most NASDAQ stocks are like playing the slots in Vegas, the system is not designed for you to make a quick buck unless you are a Wall Street player and receive phone calls from other MM ‘s to plot your exit!!
The Fact of the situation is; if you are worried about a quick exit to sell your shares for profits and not worried about your portfolio value then you are not an investor but a flipper.
CSHD is designed for long term investors and if you truly listened to what I have said on message boards and SPR then you would know that or if you have read the wed site!! The corporation is and was designed to give the investor returns through subsidiaries stock spin-off’s.
Yes, due to the system and illegal market activity we are where we are today!!
I can not continue to be the glue that holds the sanity on this board, I have very important meetings coming up and will be around a lot less!!
This Board was created for the longs to have a place that they do not have to hear lies and ridicule from false prophets and read the crap of spinsters, a safe haven per say!!
Things are going very well for us!! This is the point where some of you realize that some of the so called longs are ghost voices!!
Do not expect to be updated daily, and beware of those that try to sway your attitude toward the dark side!! We are all in the same boat and if you are not part of the solution then you are part of the problem!!
Just a few things that I needed to get off of my chest!! To those of you that are offended, Hmmmmmm
Hold on tight we are headed over the last and the roughest rapids of the trip!!
Those with peace and foresight; look around and you will see monkeys humping footballs, throwing rocks, throwing crap, and with sticks trying to poke holes in our rafts.
GODSPEED and Love Ya All Link to Post - Back to Top IP: Logged GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris Chairman & CEO Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
"To the negative posters; You either find your peace with the truth of the situation or understand that I and others are working against the Beast and will fight the good fight until victory or just stop posting, vent on IHUB or HSM where negativity is sowed."
The Truth is what is not evident. Unless of course people believe that what Rufus says is the truth. I for do not. Truth is back by verifiable facts and that is what is missing here. Not just from Rufus but also from the SEC. We have seen their ALLEGATIONS but not one thing that backs those allegations to a point where a preponderance of evidence makes it apparent. We must always remember that at this point it is a civil case and not a criminal case. This means that the "Threshold" is that there is more evidence that supports one side not the criminal "Threshold" of beyond a reasonable doubt. I'm still waiting for Rufus to file or even post anything that proves his position. Unfortunately, I have yet to see it.
As far as the increases in volume today, I would say someone got tired of holding and sold.
10 of resonableness, I lied and posted again before the end of the month. I guess I'm getting Rufusitis and missing deadlines. At least mine are early and not late. Just Kidding OK.
Hopefully I will be around and posting more. Situations change, not only with stocks but with life in general. Since I posted about my situation here I will update but please do not flood the board with well wishes or condolences since I know before anyone states it the feelings of those I have known here. Before I was able to bring my Father home he passed away. He did it his way and I respect that.
I am hoping for a much happier and more joyful outcome with Dante. I hope all put their energies into his recovery because those energies are or at least should be used for the living and not those that have passed and already know their fate.
Let's keep on topic with the stock and with the positive energy we can gather for Dante that he may one day learn to hold a bag as well as sell a winner.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
Two-parter, for Jen & Wally:
Jen, what's your take on the S-4 issue? ie, why do you think it was asked in the first place? What do you think RPH intends by his response?
Wally, you mention the SEC's allegations (correctly noting the distinction between civil vs. criminal proceedings) and go on to question why they have not yet presented "a preponderance of evidence."
This seems to be a fairly common question/lament, but it mystifies me--why do you think (without asking you to "speak for others") the SEC should have presented its case already?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Two-parter, for Jen & Wally:
Jen, what's your take on the S-4 issue? ie, why do you think it was asked in the first place? What do you think RPH intends by his response?
Wally, you mention the SEC's allegations (correctly noting the distinction between civil vs. criminal proceedings) and go on to question why they have not yet presented "a preponderance of evidence."
This seems to be a fairly common question/lament, but it mystifies me--why do you think (without asking you to "speak for others") the SEC should have presented its case already?
Well, if the SEC is really out to protect investors, then they should be presenting all evidence and closing the case as quickly as possible. I mean the stock is still trading so the potential for loss is still there. In my mind it's all about the why? If they, the SEC decides to move as they did here and in other cases, they should have their ducks in a row, in order to minimize potential losses by investors.
That being said, from the research that I have done, the SEC actions usually take anywhere from a year and a half to 2 years to complete. In the meantime investors are left to fend for themselves. Not the best of situations, if of course the goal is to protect investors.
I question their methods. A DA usually waits until he/she has a case that is more likely to win than lose before bringing charges, why should we expect less from the SEC?
The true problem is that we as investor are left with a He said/She said scenario since neither side is willing to present any facts. How does this benefit any investor? Those who had already invested and seen the PPS drop to oblivion or those looking at this as a possible risk VS Reward? I mean why can't the agency that claims to represent us have some transparency?
I have been shocked at the responses that shareholders have recieved from Alana and the other SEC Represenative, since I was under the impression that they could not comment on an investigation that was on going.
As far as the S4, I was under the impression that it did need to be completed as part of the merger agreement but then nothing seems to be as it seems with this play. Heck in reading the postings of Rufus, I'm still not sure whether the merger can be unwound or not. Just way toooooooo much open for intrepretation here and no one willing to step up to the plate.
Well, that's my take and I'm sticking to it. Well, at least until some REAL facts come out.
GLTA Wally
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: What gives?
5 time the daily volume today!
WOW
Time will tell.
Its not "someone that was tired of holding".. that is for sure.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
hey hotshots who love rufus dufus so much...
how does yahoo have EPS at .38?
If I recall, wasn't in one of the quartertly reports or some other filings where it showed they were making like 38million in interest from their assets or something? If thats true, shouldnt rufus dufus have plenty of money for an attorney LMAO...
Posted by T e x on :
o, calm down...
peeps are having a hard time figurin' this out
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: hey hotshots who love rufus dufus so much...
how does yahoo have EPS at .38?
If I recall, wasn't in one of the quartertly reports or some other filings where it showed they were making like 38million in interest from their assets or something? If thats true, shouldnt rufus dufus have plenty of money for an attorney LMAO...
Whether the company has money or not isn't really what is being discussed. I am far from a Rufus supporter but do have questions as to how and why the SEC does what they do. If they have the goods then they should shut it down if they don't then they should not have suspended it.
This is all discussion that we can learn from. If all you offer is jokes at the expense of people losing money then I really have no time for you.
If you read the posts you might understand that most here are attempting to learn from this experience.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
Wally, Long post, which most will not want to read, but I bet you find it interesting...
I agree that changes need to made--for one, I still can't believe Cox was named Chairman... I mean changes at fundamental levels, including a complete restructuring of the DTCC nexus...
On the other hand, the SEC should be busting more scams, not less. I think almost everyone who really researches these areas concludes that *all* the reg agencies involved are limited in the resources they can allocate. In other words, when it comes to assigning staff, they're making priorities between investigations of Enrons/MCIs, etc and "stinky pinkies"... So resource allocation explains part of the slowness.
The other part is the sheer enormity of the job: it's one thing to be pretty sure something's amiss at any given company, broker, trading firm, etc...but proving up legally is another matter. In short, they don't want to go into a hearing or courtroom...only to lose.
I've found a couple of articles that help shed some light, I think. I believe they're both by the same attorney and give a pretty clear idea of how much time and effort are required even *before* formal investigations are launched. I won't quote the entire articles, but here's some excerpts (with links), in which I have emphasized what I consider "key points":
quote:Testimony before regulatory agencies is an extremely serious matter. Regulators can ask questions on nearly any topic they choose, and incorrect testimony can have serious repercussions for the broker. Therefore, such testimony should not be given without first speaking to an attorney, and rarely should a witness give such testimony without an attorney present. While most testimony is given by witnesses, not wrongdoers, the SEC and the NASD can have a serious impact on a broker's license, and the testimony can start a lengthy process that could take years to resolve.If the matter is not properly handled from the outset, the damage can be long lasting, and costly.
In other words, (1)they cast a wide net (2) a decent attorney will tell the client early-on to be ready for a long-term process and (3) it's *critical* to mount a proper defense from the very start.
I think this is pertinent, in this case:
quote:During the examination, it is important to keep in mind that the staff members who attend the deposition will have a role in determining whether further action will be taken. Therefore, the witness' demeanor and attitude during the examination are important.
In a subsequent article, "The Wells Notice in SEC and NASD Investigations" ( http://www.seclaw.com/docs/wellsnotice.htm )the same author says that Wells Notices are not required but have become customary and that:
quote:Receiving a Wells Notice is hardly a positive event, as it signifies that you are the subject of an investigation and that enforcement proceedings are < note: as I understand it, he should should use the word probably here, as in "are probably going to be filed" --tex> going to be commenced against you. However, a Wells Notice is rarely a surprise, and provides a unique opportunity for a prospective defendant to speak directly to the ultimate decision maker prior to the commencement of regulatory proceedings. The process by-passes the District or Regional Staff, and allows the prospective defendant to present his case against the commencement of the proceedings directly to the decision makers, without filtering or misunderstanding of the Staff.
To me this again speaks to the issue of due process. Also, a quick Google search reveals that companies often announce they have received a Wells Notice... At any rate, he explains that a response to the notice is called a Wells Submission and argues quite forcibly that deciding whether to make that submission is crucially important--most should *not*, he says and explains the pitfalls...it's really good reading. But I find this extremely telling:
quote:When do we respond to a Wells Notice? When there is a clear error in the facts (which I have never experienced) or in two other events – first, where there is a clear and compelling policy argument against the commencement of enforcement proceedings, or second, where the Staff is misinterpreting the law or the facts.
Remember, this is a *defense* attorney, and he says, parenthetically, mind you--as if it's common knowledge in legal circles--that he's never seen "a clear error" in the facts--even at that early stage... Pretty sobering stuff, even if only one attorney's perspective. Now, I have *not* DD'd his background, but the credits give me confidence of the relevance for purposes of discussion.
He goes on to give examples of Wells Submissions that *did* prevent formal investigations. Readers may be interested to see whether any of those apply in this case. Nothing "leaped out" at me, though...
At any rate, I hope this offers some insight into the tediousness involved. In this case, I think a proper response would not only have delayed the initial (default) judgments but also would have allowed the defense to begin its own discovery... By this I mean *not* a Wells Submission, but rather defendants' response to the original complaint. As it stands, I believe the default judgment precludes any defense access via the "discovery phase." But that's how early we are in the process--still waiting for a ruling on motion to strike. *If* that ruling sets aside the default judgment, then discovery could begin...after being a defendant in the BCIT case, that's my take, at any rate...
As a side note, I have no idea whether a Wells Notice was given, and that's something I think should definitely be changed: ie, I can understand not making it public knowledge, early on, but at some point the SEC should be required to post it, so folks know that, for instance, a given CEO was aware of an impending investigation...
Posted by wallymac on :
Tex,
Very informative, as usual.
I agree that fundamental changes need to be made.
Wasn't trying to imply that I believe Rufus over the SEC but was expressing the frustration with both as far as transparency for investors.
He, Rufus, claims he is doing it for the investor's and the SEC claims they are attempting to protect investors yet, it's the investor who have suffered and usually do in situations like this.
Not sure if a Wells notice was given but I do remember that the SEC gave Rufus' and company a chance to respond prior to taking action and the basically told the SEC to pound sand.
I was aware that actions like this take a long to time before any resoloution happens. From what I see anywhere from a year to more than 2 years.
I'm just thankful that I learned from people like you not to go all in on a stock like this and still have some capital to trade other issues.
In the words of muscial group: " Time keeps on slipping, slipping into the future."
Hope you and all here had a great and relaxing Memorial day weekend.
GLTA Wally
Posted by milliam on :
Here’s the latest from Paul/Rufus:
Hang in there everyone, Yes exit is in place and I am very excited about recent developments, to answer a few questions
I think the court has to answer by the 3rd at the latest, As the filings and court dates are set things will move very fast
HCC's will come into play then
Good Night and GOD BLESS ALL
Posted by milliam on :
He seemed to be really hammering this guy, chartplayer. It sure seemed like Rufus felt this guy was/is a shorter or something, but I didn't read the whole saga. He asked this guy when he bought his shares, where, and what broker. It seems like Rufus might have all of that trade info he was talking about getting. From the following post, it looks like he looked the guy up:
I have a Fl and a Chicago, Ill from Scott trade on 5/15!! Just checking Chart I am not attacking you, just trying to figure out your motive, sorry for wasting your time!! GODSPEED
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
From the FWIW Department this morning: From the RPH discussion board posting last night, it appears that RPH was on SPR again....following below is a series of notes that summarizes the episode: (credit goes to the poster named finity for the summary)
********************************* finity Senior Member
member is online
let's dance
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 306 Karma: 3,000,228 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, May 30th « Reply #332 on Today at 7:12am »
Today at 7:03am, neverlate wrote:GOOD MORNING EVERYONE! CAN SOMEONE PLEASE FILL ME IN ON THE SPR INTERVEIW WITH RUFUS? THANKS NEVERLATE "SORRY I MISSED IT"
GM everyone. here's my bump briefs but everyone that listened had recaps also..Jersey, Joy, H20
concerning the 5/29/06 pr..about the" 20 million in initial capital" RPH: transaction through credit facility in Europe where bonds were going to be hypothecated for CSHD.
Talked about entry of default: SEC and clerk RPH: clerk cannot enter a default judgment unless there is a sum amount/judgment. (rule 55)
Illegal activity ex: $1 total trade that brought the stock down 50% today. NASDAQ, OTCBB, OTC, DTCC: systems out of control
RPH: SEC cannot sort it out, accused of huge pump and dump **I agree with the "dump"..who? **SEC did not subpoena any brokerage firms on records for trading activity. **Why? because they(SEC) know where it is, know what's going on. **SEC could be part of a cover up, wants to pin on RPH **Federal law says any subpoena submitted/carried out by the SEC, RPH is supposed to get a copy of it. **To date (7 months?) no data from clearing houses or brokerage houses in this country has been contacted by the SEC.
**Bill Hicks (SEC) said to RPH they will supoena every trading record **SEC never did anything, still wanted to pin P and D on RPH
**30 million, whole float traded; added up first 3 months..average of 3.8 million shares per day. **illegal acts pockected millions
Englitchick: What's holding the exit? RPH: MM doesn't care about rules. make billions with strategic, illegal activities and gets slapped with a million fine. MM truns around and do it again. **"move in for the kill, make sure there's no exit for them" (market manupulators)
RPH: 3 different exits (options?) but perform action at particular time "shoot too earlier, don't hit target".."one shot, one kill" **with exit, there will be shareholders that will lose. Electronic s/h, IRA accounts, those cannot get certs...not the time to put exit til benefit all shareholders.
SEC is regulatory agency..sees illegal activity (toxic funding, illegal trades,etc).."you see illegal activity, go in and arrest each of them; you got the evidence" **it's corrupt world. It's the wrong thing to do to me. **RPH suprised SEC didn't take it to federal court. **It's a crime ring, RICO ring. I'm going to find where that money went...want a piece of it.
3 exits options: **all have 6:1 as of record 10/16/06 (TPR part of merger agreement) **SEC/TA (?) wanted it to be called a dividend **RPH: if it was made as a dividend..MMs will make another $400 millions, wanted more money, greedy...pushed RPH for dividend. **if you buy today for a penny, you will not get 6:1. **whoever brought on greys will benefit with the price increase..benefit everyone.
**RPH: wants to see how honest the federal judge is..will see in first 10 minutes..how court handles it. **If federal judge isn't "honest"(?).."I'll go straight to Congress".."It's been arranged".
**Fed judge (according to pacer system) has 3rd to answer to set a court date. **2nd response by RPH is due June 15
Posted by Murnak on :
Great SPR replay with Rufus......makes you think something will hit the fan soon!!!!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm, a possibility, what was in the sealed envelope that RPH gave the judge?
Maybe, a sealed document from a government agency stating RPH was working with that agency on a secret project to expose short sellers. Being sealed could mean to prove to the judge it in fact came from the Government without RPH having touched it.
Just a silly idea at this point but how would you cooperate with government to expose Short sellers AND keep tight lipped in the court process. The judge and SEC knows there are major issues with the shorters and if they bring down 1 broker it could cause a major chain reaction in the U.S. market. CRASH!
Just a silly idea? Or is it?
Can you say "Wallstreet III " the movie.?? Posted by milliam on :
SPR replay just started again, but I think its about 3 hours or more before Rufus will be on.
I've listened to a little of the last replay and here's 2 things that pop out.
Rufus says that CSHD has been approached about a 2 billion dollar treasury draft. From what I gather, this is from the US Treasury. He said he also gave the general info on this draft to Alana Black.
Rufus also said that this is 1 of 5 games setup. He seems to be alluding to there being 4 other companies that are setup to catch the illegal activities. He said either CSHD would take care of it, or each of these other would bring their case out as well. Quite interesting there!
I'll add more when I get to listen to more of the show.
Posted by TimW on :
And so the thread dangles, fraying ever so more every day.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Thanks Milliam!
We can't say it isn't interesting.
Posted by TimW on :
Somethings unusual, Another high volume day.. 2.4 million volume today..
Posted by milliam on :
Went subpenny today as well. 2 transactions of 500,000 each at .005. Good buy or good bye???
Posted by thecon00 on :
Hi board it has been a while.
Just an update:
My long standing limit order was finally filled to buy8500CSHD*0.02 but only after I lowered my amount to 8500 from 10000. This brought my share total to 37,100. I then requested 20,000 in hard cert. Which is still pending but being processed. I am curious to see who will sign the document. I will keep u posted. Jenna u have my prayers and thank you for the updates from the other board. Despite the negative opinions u offer relevant summaries on the info which can be gleaned over there. Keep it up. - CON
Posted by milliam on :
My computer crashed when I was recording the SPR interview, so I don't have it all to listen to (probably about half), but I'll get back with my notes from that half.
Meanwhile, interesting post from the other board:
Yesterday at 3:31pm, fido wrote: Mr. Harris, Is there any scenario you can foresee that will cause us to lose the battle?
RPH reply: My death!!And even then I have warriors in place to march on
Posted by T e x on :
Simon sez:
he will a segment that is RPH-only, edited from the show you mention, running this weekend...
Posted by milliam on :
Thanks Tex, I'll check that out.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
If Rufus is still showing up on SPR I have to think there is still a glimmer of hope.
I just wish we had some hard facts. A PR from CSHD or Rufus or even an update from the SEC.
ANYTHING
Posted by Jenna on :
Hi All!!! I recieved my certs last week....
signed by John Arlitt, & also the T/A....
Posted by milliam on :
I ordered mine from TDA earlier this week. I don't expect them anytime soon though. Jenna, where did you order yours from and how long did it take to get them?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
.05 - we're on fire!!!!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
GODSPEED ?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: .05 - we're on fire!!!!
Oh hell this thing is going TO DA MOON !!!! Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Remember what you said a few weeks ago source, or do I have to bump it again?
lol
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I ordered mine from TDA earlier this week. I don't expect them anytime soon though. Jenna, where did you order yours from and how long did it take to get them?
Hey Milliam...I ordered from Scottrade....I ordered on a Monday & got them about 18 days later.... Posted by 10of13 on :
Thesource? Almost sounds like you drank some kool-aide...
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: .05 - we're on fire!!!!
Oh hell this thing is going TO DA MOON !!!!
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: I just wish we had some hard facts. A PR from CSHD
I laughed so hard when i read this.. Posted by milliam on :
Ok, set down, this might take awhile. Here's my notes from about 45 minutes of the SPR show. This isn't word for word what Rufus said, but I think I paraphrased it pretty well. I'll do more when I get a chance and hopefully when I get the rest of the interview this weekend.
· Bill Hicks told Rufus that they would find who sold the illegal shares. Rufus took him to mean that they would find the criminals, so he sat back and waited for it to happen. Rufus expected the SEC to subpoena the brokerages for all of the trade information, but it was never done.
· Bringing assets to the company is nothing to do (easy). $2 billion in treasury drafts was brought to CSHD direct from the Treasury Department. It was passed on to a private bank. Rufus sent the info about the drafts to Alana Black to see if the SEC would have any problems with CSHD facilitating financing of these assets. Their answer was “not if they are real”.
· “This is 1 of about 5 games. We prepared multiple ways to come at them.” Rufus calls them Special Purpose Vehicles. Says they might all file charges against the government for allowing certain activities to go on. He also says that each of these have their own structure set up and will be prepared ahead of time.
· Rufus has been asked to forget the shareholders and just “do this” private, but he says that just isn’t him.
· There are 3 different things that the company can move on for an exit for the shareholders. We have to wait until the right time though. Too early and we could leave an exit for the shorters. He says we have to wait to shoot to make sure it’s a one shot, one kill. Also, too early and there will be shareholders that will lose (IRA, electronic shares). Rufus wants to wait until the exit will work for all shareholders. He’s confident his plan will work. He has something designed and everyone will see the "mastermind" of it when it happens.
· AJW ties with NIR? Rufus feels the toxic financing should be illegal. He feels its not illegal because the crooks are “buttering everyone’s pockets”.
· Mike told him FHAL was being shorted to death. Rufus said he’s heard the “New York Gangsters, Italian Tight Guys” saying they get their shares or they are going to short the company into the ground. Rufus says it’s a RICO ring and he’s surprised the SEC hasn’t shut it down. He say’s when we get into the Fed. Courtroom, he will find out where the money went and he feel’s it will surprise everyone. He says since the SEC didn’t subpoena the records, that it must be really bad.
· 6:1 for everyone on the NOBO from Oct. 16th. He says the TA and NSAD wanted the 6:1 to be a dividend and be pushed out 30 days. If it’s a dividend, then the shorters (MM’s) can make money off of it by pumping the stock up for the dividend. He says they did the same thing in BBAN.
· He hopes the 6:1 might balance out for the long shareholders. He agrees that it isn’t fair that someone can buy shares so cheap now and turn out better than those who bought before the 6:1. He says trying to balance it out in court would turn into a year to 2 year process and he doesn’t feel that is the way to go.
· He doesn’t think anyone has real shares except those who are on the NOBO from Oct. 16th. He has recommended not to buy now because he feels its not fair to those who have held long for someone to buy really cheap now. He also feels like those buying shares now should get their money from the brokers that sold them the stock.
· No comment on his meetings and discussions with groups. Says he has several of those meetings/discussions all of the time and will not go into them.
· No comment on exchange change (when and which one).
· Merger was signed with FHAL having 62 million shares, but once Rufus got the documentation to file the SB-4, they had 97 million shares on the books. This is the reason Rufus never filed the SB-4…he couldn’t use the illegal documentation to file the form.
· CVSU’s attorney wanted Rufus do dissolve the merger due to FHAL not giving official audited documents that were required in the merger.
· Rufus doesn’t know where FHAL’s assets went (trucks, equipment, etc.). CSHD never received documentation on any of this. He did see some of the trucks parked in the trees at MA’s 800 acre ranch, but didn’t ask about them…he didn’t want to know. He wanted Mike to bring the information forward. Mike told Rufus they were all leased and the leases were all in DP’s name. The leases were never provided to CSHD.
· He knew things were wrong when the TA wouldn’t provide the necessary codes to file edgarized forms. He asked for the codes in multiple ways (in writing, with an attorney, etc.) When he pushed the TA (with a letter saying they were coming for the codes with federal marshals), that’s when the SEC filed with the court. He says the SEC tried to sneak the filings in on them. He said they tried to rush it through the court. The next day in court, CSHD had to ask for a recess just to look at the court documents. The documents turned out to only be the documents that Rufus filed in the Bartow County Court and the SEC’s affidavits.
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks so much for that Milliam....Great job!!
Posted by Jenna on :
From Rufus site:....I think LadyTrader unraveled part of Rufus' plan.....when she posted this he responded with winks.....could mean she nailed it....
Here are the posts:
*************************************************
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
member is offline
Fight for what is Right!!
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,329 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 1,664 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Saturday, June 2nd « Reply #561 on Today at 10:21pm »
Today at 10:17pm, LadyTrader wrote:I was sitting by the pool today with a freind of mine having a glass of wine and thinking.........
no DEALS will be made with the crooks..... the HCC's are the key..... a IN-HOUSE T/A and DTC/A.... will be the only way the Shorts can buy , ( cover) ...... RPH said YOU name the PRICE you wana sell at.... well suppose we were to turn in our HCC's to OUR own company T/A in our own accts. with the company and set OUR price to sell .. the only way SHORTY can cover is to buy thru the companies T/A .....
This is another post from LadyTrader explaining it in more detail:
*************************************************
LadyTrader Long
member is online
The Perfect Storm is Coming.......
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Female Posts: 1,197 Location: West Palm Beach , Flori-duH Karma: 12,250,010 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Saturday, June 2nd « Reply #570 on Today at 10:24pm »
as i was thinking about this today i almost spit my wine out...LOL....
say john doe turns in his HCC's to the company T/A so the T/A can open an acct. in his name to deposit the shares into...... from the NEWlY updated Corp. web site John doe can now see his shares ONLINE and put some of them up for sale by logging into his acct with a user name and PW.......HE NAMES HIS PRICE ....because he has REAL SHARES bought prior to 10/16/06.......
Posted by T e x on :
Jenna,
how does that makes sense? *****
lol, as an aside, got any history on the "ladytrader" nick?
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus has stated for a long time that he wanted an in-house t/a....
....just "transplanting" the info...
Posted by T e x on :
lol, he's said lottsa stuff...
somewhere along the line? It kinda needs to make sense.
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex....hold up....someone may want to talk to you....
Posted by T e x on :
talk to me? sure...
do I get a *hint* ?
Posted by T e x on :
brb...
Posted by Jenna on :
It's just that I'm not good at explaining these things & I'm seeing if there is someone who can come to the thread & explain it better....
Posted by T e x on :
ok, am back...
Posted by Jenna on :
ok Tex.....
I think someone may be coming.....hold on....
Posted by T e x on :
<bzzzz>
Jen? Am I getting outsourced?
Posted by T e x on :
Jen, nature calls...
tell whomever I'll be back in 10-12 minutes...
Posted by T e x on :
OK
am back...
y'all waiting on moi?
Posted by T e x on :
lol, Jen...
<twiddles thumbs>
OK, sending PM...
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex, I'm sorry....honestly Rufus was trying to come over here to answer your questions but it won't let him log in.....
here is the post to prove it...in bold...
*************************************************
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
member is offline
Fight for what is Right!!
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,342 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 1,667 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Sunday, June 3rd « Reply #69 on Today at 11:16pm »
just click on bulliten boards & under the hot stock section click under the CSHD thread...go to the last page.....
They refused my sign in a while back!! Posted by T e x on :
wah...
got stood up I guess. reminds me of the time momo invited me to his board for a debate. I went...and nobody showed.
******
Jen?
sorry... I waited
Posted by T e x on :
OK, KEWL...
I have no idea why Mr. Harris can't sign up here, unless his IP address is associated with a former nick that violated TOS... (not saying that happened, mind you)
But, I'm sure willing to engage...
Posted by Jenna on :
don't know....
Too bad...it would have been fun....
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Tex, I'm sorry....honestly Rufus was trying to come over here to answer your questions but it won't let him log in.....
here is the post to prove it...in bold...
*************************************************
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
member is offline
Fight for what is Right!!
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,342 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 1,667 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Sunday, June 3rd « Reply #69 on Today at 11:16pm »
just click on bulliten boards & under the hot stock section click under the CSHD thread...go to the last page.....
They refused my sign in a while back!!
lol, jen...
"They refused my sign in a while back!!"
that doesn't prove anything about tonight...
but, good try! maybe you'll get us together yet...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: don't know....
Too bad...it would have been fun....
may happen, yet
g'night jen
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex...you are such a poopy head!!!
By the way your mailbox is full....
Posted by T e x on :
poopy head?
dang...
last time, I was "sexy texy"
ok, fire away, PMs clear
Posted by Jenna on :
You are sexy texy only when your not posting....
Right now you need a diaper on that poopy head of yours...
Posted by *Mag* on :
late night shananagens here huh... sexy texy?
Posted by T e x on :
make sense, Jenna...
I waited on your deal...not my fault it fell through
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by *Mag*: late night shananagens here huh... sexy texy?
the things we do fer love...
Posted by *Mag* on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by *Mag*: late night shananagens here huh... sexy texy?
the things we do fer love...
awwwwwwwwww in that case... To TEX and Jenna.... Posted by Jenna on :
Tex...are you the one with the buck teeth or ribbons in the hair???
Posted by T e x on :
no...
so sad...
apparently I'm only sexy when I'm quiet...
got any B&D images?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Hey, what ever happend to keeping things on topic? Posted by T e x on :
you talkin' to me? I was waiting, one presumes, to be on whichever topic came up... Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Milliam, THANKS.
I appreciate your efforts ain bringing us this information.
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Ok, set down, this might take awhile. Here's my notes from about 45 minutes of the SPR show. This isn't word for word what Rufus said, but I think I paraphrased it pretty well. I'll do more when I get a chance and hopefully when I get the rest of the interview this weekend.
· Bill Hicks told Rufus that they would find who sold the illegal shares. Rufus took him to mean that they would find the criminals, so he sat back and waited for it to happen. Rufus expected the SEC to subpoena the brokerages for all of the trade information, but it was never done.
· Bringing assets to the company is nothing to do (easy). $2 billion in treasury drafts was brought to CSHD direct from the Treasury Department. It was passed on to a private bank. Rufus sent the info about the drafts to Alana Black to see if the SEC would have any problems with CSHD facilitating financing of these assets. Their answer was “not if they are real”.
· “This is 1 of about 5 games. We prepared multiple ways to come at them.” Rufus calls them Special Purpose Vehicles. Says they might all file charges against the government for allowing certain activities to go on. He also says that each of these have their own structure set up and will be prepared ahead of time.
· Rufus has been asked to forget the shareholders and just “do this” private, but he says that just isn’t him.
· There are 3 different things that the company can move on for an exit for the shareholders. We have to wait until the right time though. Too early and we could leave an exit for the shorters. He says we have to wait to shoot to make sure it’s a one shot, one kill. Also, too early and there will be shareholders that will lose (IRA, electronic shares). Rufus wants to wait until the exit will work for all shareholders. He’s confident his plan will work. He has something designed and everyone will see the "mastermind" of it when it happens.
· AJW ties with NIR? Rufus feels the toxic financing should be illegal. He feels its not illegal because the crooks are “buttering everyone’s pockets”.
· Mike told him FHAL was being shorted to death. Rufus said he’s heard the “New York Gangsters, Italian Tight Guys” saying they get their shares or they are going to short the company into the ground. Rufus says it’s a RICO ring and he’s surprised the SEC hasn’t shut it down. He say’s when we get into the Fed. Courtroom, he will find out where the money went and he feel’s it will surprise everyone. He says since the SEC didn’t subpoena the records, that it must be really bad.
· 6:1 for everyone on the NOBO from Oct. 16th. He says the TA and NSAD wanted the 6:1 to be a dividend and be pushed out 30 days. If it’s a dividend, then the shorters (MM’s) can make money off of it by pumping the stock up for the dividend. He says they did the same thing in BBAN.
· He hopes the 6:1 might balance out for the long shareholders. He agrees that it isn’t fair that someone can buy shares so cheap now and turn out better than those who bought before the 6:1. He says trying to balance it out in court would turn into a year to 2 year process and he doesn’t feel that is the way to go.
· He doesn’t think anyone has real shares except those who are on the NOBO from Oct. 16th. He has recommended not to buy now because he feels its not fair to those who have held long for someone to buy really cheap now. He also feels like those buying shares now should get their money from the brokers that sold them the stock.
· No comment on his meetings and discussions with groups. Says he has several of those meetings/discussions all of the time and will not go into them.
· No comment on exchange change (when and which one).
· Merger was signed with FHAL having 62 million shares, but once Rufus got the documentation to file the SB-4, they had 97 million shares on the books. This is the reason Rufus never filed the SB-4…he couldn’t use the illegal documentation to file the form.
· CVSU’s attorney wanted Rufus do dissolve the merger due to FHAL not giving official audited documents that were required in the merger.
· Rufus doesn’t know where FHAL’s assets went (trucks, equipment, etc.). CSHD never received documentation on any of this. He did see some of the trucks parked in the trees at MA’s 800 acre ranch, but didn’t ask about them…he didn’t want to know. He wanted Mike to bring the information forward. Mike told Rufus they were all leased and the leases were all in DP’s name. The leases were never provided to CSHD.
· He knew things were wrong when the TA wouldn’t provide the necessary codes to file edgarized forms. He asked for the codes in multiple ways (in writing, with an attorney, etc.) When he pushed the TA (with a letter saying they were coming for the codes with federal marshals), that’s when the SEC filed with the court. He says the SEC tried to sneak the filings in on them. He said they tried to rush it through the court. The next day in court, CSHD had to ask for a recess just to look at the court documents. The documents turned out to only be the documents that Rufus filed in the Bartow County Court and the SEC’s affidavits.
Posted by Jenna on :
This is such a good video, explains the manipulation in the market....this was originally posted by eyegeteven....(don;t forget to take out the spaces...
http://www. youtube .com/watch?v=8z66kmPRl5Y
Posted by jipper on :
is the cshd mystery beginning to unfold ?? hope so...
Posted by Jenna on :
here's the second half...
http://www. youtube .com/watch?v=_3H6uEyR66M
Posted by milliam on :
Well, I didn't get the other part of the SPR interview. I had some trouble with the live365 player. Here's my notes for the rest of the interview though:
· Rufus has very little to say once in court. He’ll present his evidence and then find out how honest the judge/court is in the first 10 minutes. He’s not going to tolerate another federal judge allowing illegal activities to go on. He says if that happens, he’ll leave the court and go to Congress. He added “and yes, that has been arranged”.
· He expects things to happen fast. Feels that the official day according to Pacer for an answer from the court to set a court date is June 3rd on the SEC’s response and June 15th for his second response. Sounds like all of this is about opening the default.
· The judge impressed him the first day when he took in account all of the info Rufus put on the Bartow County courts and questioned the SEC why they thought he would put that info out there. They replied that they didn’t know.
· Rufus watched Alana Black take a statement that Ben made during the recess and spin it court just to try and win. Rufus states this is why he doesn’t use attorneys….he feels they would do anything it takes to achieve a win (even sell their mom). He feels that attorneys should have to pay when they bring a fraudulent case against someone.
· The federal court in the BBAN case allowed BBAN to sell 90 million new shares while there were under the court’s authority. BBAN told the court it was due to BK obligations. Rufus tried to over turn the S-8 filing to raise the A/S by 100 million. Ben finally called the Judge on it saying that he has let them issued 90 million illegal shares. The Judge agreed and jumped on BBAN about violating a court order by issuing the 90 million shares. The next court date, Rufus asked about the illegal shares and the Judge said that it wasn’t going to be discussed.
· Rufus wants to present the court with subpoenas to gather all of the trading data. Why the SEC hasn’t done that, he doesn’t know. He feels the subpoenas will be enough to luck up everyone who has been involved in the illegal trading. If it doesn’t happen that way, he says he will be testifying on Capital Hill.
· Rufus talked with the SEC about finding the illegal shares and asked why they hadn’t subpoenaed anyone yet, they responded by asking if they had all of his records. This is what pushed Rufus to finally file something with the courts.
· He 100% agrees with the SEC “pump and dump” theory. He wants them to find out who dumped. He says a subpoena of NITE would show 40% of the illegal sales.
· He has proof that TDA shorted CSHD. They staged a shareholder to buy 1 million shares and TDA sold them.
· The majority of the people that sold were people holding restricted shares of FHAL. He says they had no real rights to shares. He says some Wattle people sold as well. DuWayne Woods made $5 million from selling 2 million restricted shares. Rufus asked him how he did it and DuWayne said he sat down with the TA. DuWayne is a former director and his shares are supposed to be restricted for up to 2 years.
· Rufus feels the number of people going to jail over this will be in the hundreds.
· He says he will trace all of the legal shares to see who holds what. Starting at the shareholders of Oct. 16th, he will trace the real shares that were sold to where they are today and everyone else will hold air shares.
· He has people that will testify that DP told them that he has an off shore account in his daughter’s name with $13 million in it that he made selling the stock.
· People have sent him trading records showing that DP and others were making $30,000 a day selling stock. He isn’t sure if these are true, but he feels we will find out.
· He liked DP and MA. He says MA was straightforward with him about being in over his head and these guys won’t let my company go and its hurting my shareholders. Rufus told him he knows who they are and what they do. He told them when it is said and done, we can get all these 100’s of millions and it will be free money and they will get it back.
· Rufus feels this will be bigger than the savings and loan scandal. He says there are plenty of stocks being manipulated and he can watch the level 2’s and see it being done. He feels the SEC should be able to do the same and arrest the people involved.
· Rufus feels it’s a cover up since the SEC hasn’t subpoenaed anyone. He feels that 7 months into the investigation of the largest pump and dump in OTCBB history without subpoenaing the trading the records clearly supports this.
· He reported the TA to the SEC for not turning over the codes and 2 days later the SEC accused him of pump and dump. He says “That’s when I got a real good warm feeling in my stomach. These people just stepped in chit and didn’t even know it”.
· He says why pay for millions of dollars in attorneys for this stuff when the SEC has the attorneys, let them do it. Why spend company money that could be going to fund JV’s, when if the SEC attorneys do their job, they will tell us who has sold the illegal shares into the market.
· Rufus doesn’t want shareholders signing up for a short term flip.
· He still sees an in house TA and DTC agent. All of the share trading would be handled internally. They would know everyday what was legal and what wasn’t. Any illegal trades could be turned in immediately, but we’d have to have an enforcement agency that would take care of it in a timely matter. He already has the paper work to setup the in-house DTC and TA.
· He told everybody the day the merger was signed that it was over…it was done. The stock was already being shorted at that time. He watched the volume jump from 30,000 per day to over 400,000 per day.
· There was a company called WENR in California that Rufus went to sign a merger deal with. Their stock went from .04 to .14 before they could even ink the contract. He says its pure insider trading and they walked away from the deal with them. They put in a complaint with the SEC, but nothing ever happened.
· CVSU is strictly designed to do a stock dividend spin off. We’ll fund a subsidiary and issue shares to each shareholder. You get the same percentage of stock in the subsidiary as you own in CVSU. It’s the gift that keeps on giving. Talking of doing 2 to 3 a year. In the future they will start giving lessons on how people can leverage their portfolio value to make money. He was hoping we would have already been past this point.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Miliam...it's very helpful to read the points from the show!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
What does "his evidence" mean? I'm not following... what does the NOBO list proove?
Posted by Jenna on :
Lots of chatter goin' on right now....all over...Rufus' site is goin' nuts....Tut is posting on HSM, saying he was only trying to help (lol).....& Rufus is trying to make sure people understand what is posted on website....
I will bring over his latest posts....
Posted by Jenna on :
brb 10...
Posted by 10of13 on :
jenna what is the website to RPH board again?
Posted by Jenna on :
I'm going to just post the lines that he said so it's not so cluttered:
************************************************ Rufus Paul Harris 6/4/07
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when is the last time anyone checked the web site?
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DTCC Number included NOBO and OBO
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DTCC report shows total number of all shares held including NOBO and OBO, does not show number of shareholders
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Transfer Agent Integrity Stock Transfer Corporate Books Common Stock as of 8/16/2006 Active Share Holders 798 Active Certificates 1,156 Free Trading Stock 31,060,490 Shares Outstanding 97,226,387 Restricted Stock 66,165,897
The Depository Trust Company One Time Security Position Report as of: 09/05/2006 Free Trading Stock 30,833,651
I want to make sure you understand what you are looking at;
75,579,000 shares traded with in that 32 trading day period and DTCC only showed an increase of only 6,756,082
A difference of 68,822,918 with a low of $.80 and a high of $3.84
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They can not legally short CSHD after we became a threshold stock!!!
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This is what shoots your theory of day trading in the head!!
What this is telling you is that we had 798 shareholders on the corporate books just after the time of the merger
But according to DTCC and ADP we had around 3,796 (2,998 illegal shareholders)
Also in February our number of shareholders according to ADP and DTCC increased to 6000
What happened is when the 6:1 came out the system had to move into a cover up stage; Hence the suspension without evidence and then allow the corporation to trade again on the greys
What this did was allow for the illegal traders to create shares; noticed Michael along with the TA increased the merger number from 62 million to 159 million to help cover some illegal shorts
ALL public evidence
Also this allowed for concerned real shareholders to sell after the suspension but for most at a great lost allowing an exit for some of the illegal shares
This is the T/A’s record as of 8/16/2006 for MA and PA
Please notice that most of their shares were not even issued until 8/13/2006
PENSON FINANCIAL SERVICES INC. 08/14/2006 8021 2,000,000
DAVID PERLEY 07/17/2006 7023 2,000,000 Restricted
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm Posted by Jenna on :
This is the last one that Rufus has posted...after this one the people logged in changed from around 80 to 30....so some people left quickly for some reason...
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Hello you Rascally Rabbits, I see you
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Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: jenna what is the website to RPH board again?
in my last post the stars = p r o b o a r d s
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Thanks Jenna!
Hey...How's Dante?
...still in a coma....I think they need to take him to St. Jude's...whole family is telling them but the parents are still trying to decide....it would take me all of 1 second....thank you for asking...
Posted by a surfer on :
Interesting stuff here....
Thanks Milliam and Jenna.
I still feel we are over a year from closure but at this point I would love to see justice served regardless of the time frame.
I don't understand why Rufus would trust the SEC attorneys to find the naked shorters when he feels they are in on the act.....
Hope the boys on capital hill are ready for a crazy redneck from Georgia to expose some dirty truths.
More power to him IMO!! Get um boy!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: This is the last one that Rufus has posted...after this one the people logged in changed from around 80 to 30....so some people left quickly for some reason...
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Hello you Rascally Rabbits, I see you
[/IMG]
Id like to comment that this happened right around the time people in the East Coast would be getting off of work. A lot of people leave their PCs signed on at work....im assuming. Around that time people likely left for the day. I see it was played up a bit but i think it was coincidence myself. Posted by Jenna on :
I think you may be right on that Mr. C.....sounds very logical....
Posted by T e x on :
so, basically...nothing new, right?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: so, basically...nothing new, right?
Actually, the post Jenna brought over is indeed something new. Please review the dates of when the shares were issued to MA and his wife. There could be a reasonable explanation for this I suppose and im open to those potential explanations, in fact I encourage it. It confuses me to be honest.
But basically, its new.
Posted by Jenna on :
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna...same thing that ETRADE did with my sister's account... they sold all of her shares...no notice...no nothing...just charged her account and sold the shares...
Posted by Jenna on :
I edited that last post, maybe I should have left it....The poster came back on & said they claimed it was some sort of fee for not maintaining the minimum but the funny part is that the only stock sold for them to recoup the fees was none other than CSHD.....
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
crickets?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Chirp....Chrip....
Posted by Jenna on :
There's an echo in here....
Posted by TimW on :
up 100% were not golden, were platinum!!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: so, basically...nothing new, right?
Actually, the post Jenna brought over is indeed something new. Please review the dates of when the shares were issued to MA and his wife. There could be a reasonable explanation for this I suppose and im open to those potential explanations, in fact I encourage it. It confuses me to be honest.
But basically, its new.
I assume he was issued bunches...glancing through the filings once, I estimated he had made at least $6million to $7million...just with what was in his filings...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: so, basically...nothing new, right?
Actually, the post Jenna brought over is indeed something new. Please review the dates of when the shares were issued to MA and his wife. There could be a reasonable explanation for this I suppose and im open to those potential explanations, in fact I encourage it. It confuses me to be honest.
But basically, its new.
I assume he was issued bunches...glancing through the filings once, I estimated he had made at least $6million to $7million...just with what was in his filings...
Do you think HE made the 6 or 7 mil or do you think he got a piece of the pie? Basically, how do you feel this plays into the toxic financing scenario....if at all?
Posted by T e x on :
Mr. CE,
Are you asking might he have disbursed his proceeds to others? Gee, I suppose so...have no idea what their indivdual agreements may have been... All we know from what's been filed--that I'm aware of now--is that he certainly got that much. Logically, it would at least seem to go along with the loan never being recalled while AJW nexus profited from the conversion rate... But I assume such details will emerge from the various investigations.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Gee, i suppose so? LOL pun intended?
Yea, thats what i was asking you. I guess there is a little bit of me left that wants to think MA got used and abused through this instead of actually voluntarily getting mixed up in all of this. Thats assuming that "all of this" is even more clear now than it was 6 months ago. But damn, the evidence really doesnt look that great in his favor. Maybe thats what still bugs me....it was all really too obvious. And then to attempt the log deal again right out of the gate? Something is up there.
Posted by Jenna on :
From Rufus:
*************************************************
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
member is offline
Fight for what is Right!!
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,363 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 1,700 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Tuesday, June 5th « Reply #610 on Today at 6:27pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My family needs your prayers really bad right now, Like never before!
I can not fully explain, serious retaliation after yesterday’s exposure of the illegal market activities!! Combined forces using illegal gov corruption!!
Heavy personal shelling inbound, the personal war has begun!!
I have passed the torch to another to finish as a precaution!!
I have done my best to inform and show you the truth of the markets and how they use them!!
Caution to all; Please be very careful with what you post, Do not put you livelihood (LLH) at risk!!
Because of crazy activities, FINAL stage of NSS elimination has began for shareholder exit!!
Should take 2-3 weeks for torch carrier to make necessary preparations for your exit
May God Bless the real shareholder victims of the MM’s
We (family) are not in physical danger (LLH), they do not use physical means, The corruption is deeply rooted, they use alternate branches to attack via corruption
WE WILL PREVAIL, To those that feel this message, my families sacrifices are for you
I will continue the fight as long as I can!!
GODSPEED and Keep your head above the water; If you feel like you are sinking please pray for guidance!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
what the heck does that mean? Did someone get a hold of his checking and credit card account numbers? Or is he leaving the country now? Yes, I know...a smart azz response...but what's the drama and torch passing for?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
10, i dont even have a response to his post. Smart azz response? I dont think so.
I personally can not believe he actually wrote that. Its very disturbing for sure.
Posted by 10of13 on :
I posted a comment over there...said No stock is worth is..hope all is safe...
read some of the other stuff..he posted his remark in several languages...many references to LLH... my guess is livelihood...and nothing more...maybe all of his accounts got frozen...and he has no money to pay his bills? Heck I have no clue...
If he is really "trying" to do the "right thing" and change stuff...well thanks RPH...I'm sure it has been a challenge...but some how I am not sure that he understands the challenges that his actions and games have placed on others...just "normal folks" that followed a "normal guy"...Just seems that if it was really his intentions all along...there might have been a "better route" Time will tell...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
I posted over there too. The people he was "calling out" so to speak are dealing in HUGE money and ive wondered....up until now, how he has managed to continue going on like that.
I also mentioned over there that they better expect some silence for some time...and im not sure that crowd is ready for silence right now.
Posted by wallymac on :
I'm not sure if I can believe anything he posts anymore. Remember the Dogs getting shot post? Came out to be a completely different story than what he first posted.
Anyway, how can he be paasing the torch, which IMO, means the company to someone else without their being some formal notification to shareholders? Even though a gray sheet stock I would think that at the minimum there should be a PR annoucing this passing of the torch.
Well what's 2-3 more weeks anyway. Most have been stuck here for much longer so I'll take the same attitude as I have for sometime now. Wait and See.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I'm not sure if I can believe anything he posts anymore. Remember the Dogs getting shot post? Came out to be a completely different story than what he first posted.
Anyway, how can he be paasing the torch, which IMO, means the company to someone else without their being some formal notification to shareholders? Even though a gray sheet stock I would think that at the minimum there should be a PR annoucing this passing of the torch.
Well what's 2-3 more weeks anyway. Most have been stuck here for much longer so I'll take the same attitude as I have for sometime now. Wait and See.
GLTA Wally
Yea, i wondered the same thing. Are we even in a situation anymore where anything needs to be filed because Rufus, whom was or was not CEO, has passed on a torch? Dunno. Is he passing on CEO or just the helm for whatever fight he was fighting?
Im not gonna analyze it anymore tonight, i think ill sleep on it.
What i find interesting (what ELSE i should say) is the major lack of members signed in over there at ********s. I thought the place would be packed...
Posted by 10of13 on :
I'm with ya on that Cat...no more analyzing...not quite worth it...
We all will see...or not see...
Wally? Hope you are doing well and smiling... Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I'm with ya on that Cat...no more analyzing...not quite worth it...
We all will see...or not see...
Wally? Hope you are doing well and smiling...
Thanks 10. And yes I do smile every now and again.
Wally
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Gee, i suppose so? LOL pun intended?
Yea, thats what i was asking you. I guess there is a little bit of me left that wants to think MA got used and abused through this instead of actually voluntarily getting mixed up in all of this. Thats assuming that "all of this" is even more clear now than it was 6 months ago. But damn, the evidence really doesnt look that great in his favor. Maybe thats what still bugs me....it was all really too obvious. And then to attempt the log deal again right out of the gate? Something is up there.
lol, no, no pun... all I'm saying is--and not to say I never "speculate" or "brainstorm," but my tendency is analyze what's known or reasonably deduced or inferred...Clearly, someone had a plan; seems reasonable to assume at least some of the principals knew the plan... but as far as "bringing down the system" and all that stuff, it may be interesting in (for example, Overstock's CEO, who goes to some lengths to separate wear "one hat" as CEO and another as "NSS Fighter) in another context. But here, the focus should be on answering the SEC's complaint and preparing for whatever it is the Grand Jury is up to... In other words, the SEC complaint does not mention any failure to "fight naked shorts." Based on my experience, I believe bringing that stuff up will result in either plaintiff's attorney or the judge directing the defendant back to answering the complaint.
As far as any others who may be involved, I assume the authorities are looking into that...from SEC's statements, we know they are interested in disgorgement.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Although i can't be 100%...but it now looks like RPH only posted this on his board to get some rats out of the holes...I've been reading over there...Jenna? how can you follow all of that? SHHHEEEZZZE!!
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: From Rufus:
*************************************************
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
member is offline
Fight for what is Right!!
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,363 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 1,700 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Tuesday, June 5th « Reply #610 on Today at 6:27pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My family needs your prayers really bad right now, Like never before!
I can not fully explain, serious retaliation after yesterday’s exposure of the illegal market activities!! Combined forces using illegal gov corruption!!
Heavy personal shelling inbound, the personal war has begun!!
I have passed the torch to another to finish as a precaution!!
I have done my best to inform and show you the truth of the markets and how they use them!!
Caution to all; Please be very careful with what you post, Do not put you livelihood (LLH) at risk!!
Because of crazy activities, FINAL stage of NSS elimination has began for shareholder exit!!
Should take 2-3 weeks for torch carrier to make necessary preparations for your exit
May God Bless the real shareholder victims of the MM’s
We (family) are not in physical danger (LLH), they do not use physical means, The corruption is deeply rooted, they use alternate branches to attack via corruption
WE WILL PREVAIL, To those that feel this message, my families sacrifices are for you
I will continue the fight as long as I can!!
GODSPEED and Keep your head above the water; If you feel like you are sinking please pray for guidance!!
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Although i can't be 100%...but it now looks like RPH only posted this on his board to get some rats out of the holes...I've been reading over there...Jenna? how can you follow all of that? SHHHEEEZZZE!!
Wait, what do you mean? Im confused.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Igor...he was back on the site...and it seems that he stated that in order to bring out some "bad" people...i think that he is still there...if that makes any sence...if you are still confused..it's OK..because so am I...LOL
Posted by Jenna on :
For those of you who ordered your certs, Rufus wants you to check them to be sure they are not only stamped by the T/A but also stamped by the clearing house....
speculation from CSHD'ers is that...if stamped only by the t/a your cert maybe from the t/a's printing press....
Posted by Igor R on :
Another weird tactic by RPH lol. If he ever pulls off this crap, i'll be first in line to get his autobiography signed LOL.
Posted by Jenna on :
Here is what he posted....
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Ok, I’ll give you a hint!!
A certified stamped document is proof certain!!
Stamped!!! Hmmmmm How many shareholders Certificates have a stamp from the clearing house on them or just from the TA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what I was expecting, I have tried to make this post 9 times and each time I am knocked off the Internet!!
What I meant by gone, the blocking of all information flow
Posted by Igor R on :
Now the crooks are attacking his internet connection? I think i've heard it all LOL. I really want RPH to succeed and for us to get our money, I have no reason not to. But this is just getting ridiculous..
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Here is what he posted....
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Ok, I’ll give you a hint!!
A certified stamped document is proof certain!!
Stamped!!! Hmmmmm How many shareholders Certificates have a stamp from the clearing house on them or just from the TA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is what I was expecting, I have tried to make this post 9 times and each time I am knocked off the Internet!!
What I meant by gone, the blocking of all information flow
lol... "clearing house stamp"
ANYBODY who figures this out... please post double-whammy-quick with sugar-on-top.
**********
Jenna?
"knocked off the Internet" ???
Is this the same fella who couldn't manage the log-in registration here the other night?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Im very shocked to see him post more last night. Very shocked.
Tex, its the same guy that said he couldnt sign in at Allstocks "a while ago". I dont think he said he tried the other night.
Posted by Jenna on :
This is from a poster named Chaves.....
It's a picture of a cert (not CSHD) but it has the stamps on there....click on cert picture after you open the link...
http://www. wizardscave .com/certs.html
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
The soap opera continues. Whe will the aliens come down and take us to the CSHD moon base?
Posted by TimW on :
Soon as they are done abducting the cows and horses at the ranch... very soon.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: This is from a poster named Chaves.....
It's a picture of a cert (not CSHD) but it has the stamps on there....click on cert picture after you open the link...
There is a stamp in the Right hand side signed by the t/a starts with "countersigned"....
the second stamp is a set of numbers.....with a black line above it....
Hi Sexy....oh I mean Texy....
Posted by 10of13 on :
Some people's stamps are "raised" others aren't... So my guess is the whole deal with getting HCC was so that RPH could point out some illegal stuff from the brokers and/or TA?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: There is a stamp in the Right hand side signed by the t/a starts with "countersigned"....
the second stamp is a set of numbers.....with a black line above it....
Hi Sexy....oh I mean Texy....
I see "countersigned" in lower-left...is simply part of cert, like the rest of the printing... Posted by Jenna on :
No Tex it is a stamp & it is signed by the T/A....
Posted by T e x on :
are we looking at the same thing?
Posted by milliam on :
The thing that bothers me here (well, one of them)...is that if the T/A is the main culprit, he's not going to have enough cash or assets to get us diddly squat. If he's been issuing illegal shares (as in bumping up the authorized share count or something to that matter), then the brokers can't really be blamed, can they?
I do think there are others here that have been involved illegally (MM's mostly), so hopefully there's someone out there with assets that we can take!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Some people's stamps are "raised" others aren't... So my guess is the whole deal with getting HCC was so that RPH could point out some illegal stuff from the brokers and/or TA?
The "raised" or embossed part is prolly the company seal...are these actual CSHD certs people are describing?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Yes Tex...CSHD Certs is what people are describing... and it does sound like the company seal is not the same on all of them(raised and not raised)but I thought it was "the number" on CERTS that made a difference...people are trying to figure out the differences...
Posted by T e x on :
ahhhhh....
has anybody called the TA to verify the process? ie, does company supply "blank stock," does the TA print them in-house? is printing subbed out?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Milliam, TAs are required to have some kind of insurance against things like this that would cover the costs. At least I am pretty sure that's the case. Tex, care to clarify?
quote:Originally posted by milliam: The thing that bothers me here (well, one of them)...is that if the T/A is the main culprit, he's not going to have enough cash or assets to get us diddly squat. If he's been issuing illegal shares (as in bumping up the authorized share count or something to that matter), then the brokers can't really be blamed, can they?
I do think there are others here that have been involved illegally (MM's mostly), so hopefully there's someone out there with assets that we can take!
Posted by T e x on :
TA's who handle NYSE and some other exchange *are* required to carry what is known as E&O policies, as in Errors and Omissions...
Unfortunately, that does not necessarily include this TA...they may carry it...might not. The other caveat is the insurance company wouldn't pay if the TA is involved in fraud...ie, it's for "accidents," not "willful acts," if that makes sense...
EDIT: NYSE and AMEX
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
BTW, a few people have called the county jail down in GA (Bartow?) and Rufus was arrested and released yesterday. No details yet but the rumor is animal cruelty.
Im guessing this is what brought on his post yesterday and im guessing the charges are very bogus.
Posted by glassman on :
hey guys, how much mud do we have in the water now? Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: hey guys, how much mud do we have in the water now?
Its murky at the very least.
Good to see ya!
Posted by 10of13 on :
it's got to be waste high...but no one will stand still long enough to let the mud settle so we can get an accurate reading...
quote:Originally posted by glassman: hey guys, how much mud do we have in the water now?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: hey guys, how much mud do we have in the water now?
Really hard to tell.
As murky as the water is I'm afraid to get in, no telling how deep the water hole is.
You never know what looks like mud from the surface could turnout to be anything from quicksand to water moccassins.
Don't dare even put my toe in the water.
Wally
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: BTW, a few people have called the county jail down in GA (Bartow?) and Rufus was arrested and released yesterday. No details yet but the rumor is animal cruelty.
Im guessing this is what brought on his post yesterday and im guessing the charges are very bogus.
Odd...wonder what would cause someone to call "the county jail" in the first place?
Posted by glassman on :
yeah, my take on the "boonies" in GA (if it's like here in MS) is that the sherrif is too busy collecting "duty" on all the trailer park meth distributors/labs to bother with animal cruelty. Posted by T e x on :
dangerous job, that... when city cops here find a lab, my buddy in fire dept HazMat usually has to go along...at least, that was the case a few years ago...literally, an explosive situation...
***********
Anyway, 10?
Any update on known facts re the printing process?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: BTW, a few people have called the county jail down in GA (Bartow?) and Rufus was arrested and released yesterday. No details yet but the rumor is animal cruelty.
Im guessing this is what brought on his post yesterday and im guessing the charges are very bogus.
Odd...wonder what would cause someone to call "the county jail" in the first place?
Yup....odd huh?
The first person that posted it was MAJORLY jumped.....which i thought was a bit much. But, as you said, its pretty suspicious how he just came up with the info out of no where.
Posted by 10of13 on :
No updates Tex...i don't have HCC...
With the animal cruelty...so much depends on how many times there have been complaints filed for the AC...and then the amount of times that the complaints were found to be true...and "we" still don't know that it was AC charges or how they were "reported" or by who...BUT if he is already on a type of probation...(from past drinking and what not?) Sometimes even having an allegation made could break some type of probation...i don't know..not in that county to know their regs...
Posted by T e x on :
ok, thanks...
ya, probation could be a problem, but if horses are in danger, prolly SPCA involved. Don't know what they could report, but would be worth a call...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: dangerous job, that... when city cops here find a lab, my buddy in fire dept HazMat usually has to go along...at least, that was the case a few years ago...literally, an explosive situation...
***********
Anyway, 10?
Any update on known facts re the printing process?
Not facts but my opinion........
Think about back when Rufus said "someone" had bought up the float, possibly pre-merger. Its believed by some that the float is actually locked in the Euroclear system. Depending on when that person began buying up the float would designate how many "real shares" were even in the market at the time of merger....hence comments about "most" of the shares we hold are probably not real.
People comment on how confident Rufus is. Well, if he KNOWS where 20 million shares are and we continue to trade hundreds of millions of shares anyway...I guess I cant blame him for being so confident.
Thats MY thought on the counterfeit shares. I think there are A LOT of them and IMO all from the TA.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Tex, with Rufus, it's probably a good idea to call the county jail every week or so. Seems to be good odds on you catching him during or just after a stint in there
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: BTW, a few people have called the county jail down in GA (Bartow?) and Rufus was arrested and released yesterday. No details yet but the rumor is animal cruelty.
Im guessing this is what brought on his post yesterday and im guessing the charges are very bogus.
Odd...wonder what would cause someone to call "the county jail" in the first place?
Posted by Jenna on :
Mr. C, those are my thoughts exactly....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Oh, and I also believe its possible that MA asked for help back in December 2005 when Fronthaul announced some contracts (Coors i think?) and the PPS went up...then down down down.
I suspect the float purchase could have started around January 06. Then, A few months later a bogus CEOTA log deal is PR'd getting attention on FHAL. The buying begins. A short time later CVSU comes along announcing huge claims.....more buying. If this is all properly documented I can imagine that even MA could be a pawn here, and/or is secretly working WITH Rufus.
Again...all my opinion Posted by 10of13 on :
I too agree Cat...what I am confused by are the "getting of Certs"...if they can create fake shares...can't they just as easily create fake CERTS? And then do the CERTS verify when you bought the actual shares? or only when you bought the actual CERT? I don't follow the CERT thing...that is my "problem"...
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: dangerous job, that... when city cops here find a lab, my buddy in fire dept HazMat usually has to go along...at least, that was the case a few years ago...literally, an explosive situation...
***********
Anyway, 10?
Any update on known facts re the printing process?
Not facts but my opinion........
Think about back when Rufus said "someone" had bought up the float, possibly pre-merger. Its believed by some that the float is actually locked in the Euroclear system. Depending on when that person began buying up the float would designate how many "real shares" were even in the market at the time of merger....hence comments about "most" of the shares we hold are probably not real.
People comment on how confident Rufus is. Well, if he KNOWS where 20 million shares are and we continue to trade hundreds of millions of shares anyway...I guess I cant blame him for being so confident.
Thats MY thought on the counterfeit shares. I think there are A LOT of them and IMO all from the TA.
Maybe there was proof of this in the sealed envelope Rufus gave the judge.
Posted by Jenna on :
Stockprophet closed down Rufus thread for a little while....due to all the bickering...
A guy named Dadryan claimed that Rufus was arrested yesterday, for animal cruelty....
It has been confirmed by another poster by calling the Bartow County Jail....
...the weird part is this guy Dadryan said animal cruelty, but the few others that have called could not get any information but that Rufus was booked & released on bail.....they would not disclose the reason for the arrest....
HMMMM....how does Dadryan know....was he involved in the complaint?....Does he know someone that works for the GA police dpt.?...
After many people asking him who he heard it from ...he said his friend...& his friend got a phone call from someone else....
....after that he stated that his friend got a call from Ben Stanley looking for bail money for Rufus....when asked once more he just stated that he heard it from Ben Stanley...
Last night, before any of this took place....a poster had Ben Stanley's cell number from a long time ago & decided to call him. This poster wanted to see if Rufus was ok, after that post of his stating that there has been some retaliation...., Ben Stanley answered his cell & told the poster that he hadn't spoken with Rufus lately & as far as he knew he was fine....
...so there's a sum up of the most recent events for you all...make your own conclusions....
Posted by 10of13 on :
jenna? "...the weird part is this guy Dadryan said animal cruelty, but the few others that have called could not get any information but that Rufus was booked & released on bail.....they would not disclose the reason for the arrest...."
IMO it's not "weird"...when you call jails and what not...it all depends on WHO you get on the phone...was the person that answered at the time of the call also there when RPH was brought in? So the individual that answered the phone "knew" why he was there...and then nearly 24 hours later another individual calls the jail and gets someone else answering the phone and they see on their paper in front of them that RPH was arrested and realeased but they don't see a reason? It's not as odd as what some posters make it out to be...IMO
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
A poster on another board posted details of the animal cruelty charge -
He stated that Paul had cowbells around two of his horses neck's and they were running around when suddenly one cowbell fell off and the horse kicked it up in the air and it landed on his dog's head - the dog was knocked unconscious with his face buried in horsechit. You know, the same kind of horsechit I'm giving all of you now.
lol
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hey, in that post from Rufus yesterday he said something along the lines of "be careful what you post". I wonder if its possible he "jokingly" posted something regarding his animals or animals in general and someone used it against him in the charge. If its even an animal cruelty charge to begin with.
In any case, im thinking his warning to be careful what you post was a hint about what happened to him. He also mentioned his livelihood which makes sense now if they are trying to pin AC on him....his horses are his livelihood.
Just thinking about loud.......
Posted by 10of13 on :
FROM RPH...He was aaked if the AC charges were true...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes it is true, but that incident is only the tip of the iceberg of crazy stuff that happened yesterday to family members
It is a full attack
Those that know me will tell you that I love my horses as if they were my children and treated them as such
Interesting and cool stuff and all in retaliation to my post
The first time they showed up and tried this crap was 2.5 hours after my answer hit the federal court in Atlanta
Then after my exposure of the illegal trading on here they showed up with reinforcements and forced the issue, locals did not cooperate the first time, but this time they used fed’s and threaten to pull the county’s funding if they did not move!!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: FROM RPH...He was aaked if the AC charges were true...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes it is true, but that incident is only the tip of the iceberg of crazy stuff that happened yesterday to family members
It is a full attack
Those that know me will tell you that I love my horses as if they were my children and treated them as such
Interesting and cool stuff and all in retaliation to my post
The first time they showed up and tried this crap was 2.5 hours after my answer hit the federal court in Atlanta
Then after my exposure of the illegal trading on here they showed up with reinforcements and forced the issue, locals did not cooperate the first time, but this time they used fed’s and threaten to pull the county’s funding if they did not move!!
Hmmmm...interesting
Posted by 10of13 on :
RPH also posted this...
"The only thing we ask for is your prayers!! Very tough times, I have seen a lot of crazy stuff in this evil world but never the type of vindictive tactics as yesterday!!
A local warned me that they were approached and this was the reason we were looking for another place"
....and he also said this....
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
member is offline
Fight for what is Right!!
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,372 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 1,709 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, June 6th « Reply #587 on Today at 2:05pm »
16 accounts of cruelty to animals, one per horse that I had
I never even hit a cell, booked and released
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Hey, in that post from Rufus yesterday he said something along the lines of "be careful what you post". I wonder if its possible he "jokingly" posted something regarding his animals or animals in general and someone used it against him in the charge. If its even an animal cruelty charge to begin with.
In any case, im thinking his warning to be careful what you post was a hint about what happened to him. He also mentioned his livelihood which makes sense now if they are trying to pin AC on him....his horses are his livelihood.
Just thinking about loud.......
you mean charges like this?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Yup....hey diddle diddle
Posted by Jenna on :
Glass, did someone throw that cow?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Glass, did someone throw that cow?
No silly...its jumping over THE MOON!!
And then the dish and the spoon hook up or something
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Glass, did someone throw that cow?
No silly...its jumping over THE MOON!!
And then the dish and the spoon hook up or something
Oh, I see, I thought it was a case of animal cruelty....
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Stockprophet closed down Rufus thread for a little while....due to all the bickering...
A guy named Dadryan claimed that Rufus was arrested yesterday, for animal cruelty....
It has been confirmed by another poster by calling the Bartow County Jail....
...the weird part is this guy Dadryan said animal cruelty, but the few others that have called could not get any information but that Rufus was booked & released on bail.....they would not disclose the reason for the arrest....
HMMMM....how does Dadryan know....was he involved in the complaint?....Does he know someone that works for the GA police dpt.?...
After many people asking him who he heard it from ...he said his friend...& his friend got a phone call from someone else....
....after that he stated that his friend got a call from Ben Stanley looking for bail money for Rufus....when asked once more he just stated that he heard it from Ben Stanley...
Last night, before any of this took place....a poster had Ben Stanley's cell number from a long time ago & decided to call him. This poster wanted to see if Rufus was ok, after that post of his stating that there has been some retaliation...., Ben Stanley answered his cell & told the poster that he hadn't spoken with Rufus lately & as far as he knew he was fine....
...so there's a sum up of the most recent events for you all...make your own conclusions....
I still have Bens cell # in my phone from long ago.
I spoke to him about 6 or 8 weeks ago.
Posted by thesource on :
Posted by T e x on :
Speaking of animal cruelty and such...what's this about Euroclear, Mr. CE? Isn't that beating a dead horse? Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Speaking of animal cruelty and such...what's this about Euroclear, Mr. CE? Isn't that beating a dead horse?
LOL. Now that is animal cruelty. See maybe Rufus is right. Watch what you post. Mr CE might be getting a knock on his door next. If not then maybe Tex for using the phrase "beating a dead horse".
On second thought maybe they both will get a knock on their door.
J/K
Wally
PS: See 10 I do smile now and agin.
Posted by 10of13 on :
PS: See 10 I do smile now and agin.
Great to know wally!!! Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Taxback posted this on RPH site..
Hmm, well I guess if he was over feeding the horses in order to supply the shareholders with enough horse manure, in a strictly technical legal sense it might be construed as cruelty to animals.
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally when you say: "in a strictly technical legal sense it might be construed as cruelty to animals"
You are calling the shareholders the animals that he was cruel to...right?
Posted by Jenna on :
Surf, what did Ben say when you called him????!!!
Spill it Mister!!!
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Surf, what did Ben say when you called him????!!!
Spill it Mister!!!
It was 6-8 weeks ago, would it really matter now? CSHD changes daily and as usual nothing ever comes to fruition, sadly.
Posted by Jenna on :
Is Rufus giving hints?
*************************************************
Today at 10:41pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Artificial Reality Conversion Always Ends Divergence Gifts Eventually
Posted by Jenna on :
Stockprophet came up with this....
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Posted by TimW on :
ArcaEdge has been around for years though.. unless hes trying to hint he wants listed on the NYSE.
Posted by Igor R on :
Looks like James Gee has been posting on HSM. Anyone been keeping up with it and got a summary? I just got on and it looks like hes posted 25+ times today.
Posted by wallymac on :
OK,
I have been pretty flippant in my recent posts about my and our positions in this stock in the recent past but now will get serious.
RPH has been stating that we all need to pull certs. I have wondered why but will not go into the speculation here.
Many of uss, including myself found our names on the NOBO list as of OCT 26 2006. RPH, put the list out there and declared us as shareholders. He has also made many referernces as to this list.
I,IMO, do not see how he or anyone else can now state that we do not legally hold these shares. Not him nor the DTC or TA can dispute this list. So why should anyone on that list incur additional financial expenditures to request HCC?
I see no reason. The company by posting the list told me I owmed the shares. If as he states there is a huge short position it has nothing to do with the shares that we legitmately own.
I want him to come out and state why we need to pull Certs. I am not an evildoer, as he likes to call people, I am a shareholder in limbo along with everyone else who holds shares.
He stated he wanted investors and not flippers. He got his wish. I don't know anyone who will sell at a 90% or above loss unless they have made so much money they need the write off. Too early in the year to worry about write-offs.
So why should we lose money by ordering CERTS? Ok now I will be called a shorter and evildoer by those on his board and maybe even by RPH himself.
OK. read all my posts from when I first started posting on any forum. Here. H S M, or I H U B, Then read RPH's posts and see who is believable or not.
That will be your decision and no matter what Good Luck.
Wally
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Speaking of animal cruelty and such...what's this about Euroclear, Mr. CE? Isn't that beating a dead horse?
Haha, yea maybe. But, quite honestly i dont think so. He seemingly WANTS to show that Judge something in front of a federal court. Wouldnt it be somethin' if he walked into the court house the day of trial and pulled out a Hard Cert with 20 million (or so) COMMON SHARES listed on it?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ok, one last thing about the dead horse....
I do have one thing that concerns me about the float theory. If "someone" owned roughly 20 million shares wouldnt the TA have known that when this all started? And, if he knew...would he really push his luck by allowing the manipulation to occur on his watch?
Any thoughts?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Playing devil's advocate here, check into "Select Transfer" if you have a few minutes.
One (unconfirmed) version is that someone posed as a representative of the company and "fooled" te TA into thinking they were authorized to increase O/S count (this is for BHUB).
If so, their E&O insurance would probably cover them.
(The other theory is they were flat out corrupt, as is implied by the fact that a similiar situation MAY have happened with like 15 other "Select Transfer" companies...)
Anyway, TA could have screwed up, been duped, or corrupt. Any of the three could cause that situation.
Although this is all speaking generally, not about CSHD in this situation.
And to steal this from someone else from this board: Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Speaking of animal cruelty and such...what's this about Euroclear, Mr. CE? Isn't that beating a dead horse?
Haha, yea maybe. But, quite honestly i dont think so. He seemingly WANTS to show that Judge something in front of a federal court. Wouldnt it be somethin' if he walked into the court house the day of trial and pulled out a Hard Cert with 20 million (or so) COMMON SHARES listed on it?
Am just not following how that would help answer the complaint... Can't remember the specific wording, but seems like the bond(s) and a filing (or two) were the main points of contention. That's what will need to be answered.
Furthermore, seems as though it could also lead to more trouble: in other words, the press releases, iterviews, etc were clearly aimed at desribing the stock as a "good investment," if you will. So to come back later and announce shareholders couldn't have gotten valid shares... ??? Seems like the plaintiff and maybe even the Grand Jury would have a field day with that. I dunno... mainly I see a problem with straying from the items in the complaint.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Tex, I agree 100% with your post....and I can wrap my mind around the idea that maybe this is why Rufus has stalled to answer the default. Maybe CEOTA was lie #1, $15 a share #2, bonds....etc. I accepted long ago that this might have been JUST a setup, nothing more. Without lies to make CVSU look HUGE the bad guys may have just moved on and the document trail would have stopped there. They needed attention...all the way from me (a non-trader who just fell upon this) up to the Federal Courts.
If this is the case I imagine that Rufus may just be hoping for some sort of protection from prosecution if he exposes "something". All speculation and yes, maybe beating a dead horse, but im just trying to stick by what Harris has said all along and the comments about the float being bought up came out very early in this game.
Dare I delve into the discussuion about a large number of shares managing to make their way into the Berlin exchange? Posted by bilgert on :
Today at 10:41pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
Artificial Reality Conversion Always Ends Divergence Gifts Eventually
Today at 7:17am, Bilgert wrote:
Am Really Confused About Everything Discussed. Getting Excedrin.
What next, a CSHD Haiku?
I wonder what Rufus is implying? God I wish he would take a class in direct speaking. He sounds more and more like the Riddler each day...
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Reading the first letters.
ARCA isn't that an MM?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Reading the first letters.
ARCA isn't that an MM?
Yea when I first saw it I thought the same thing. But, I guess arcaedge is something itself so who knows.
Throw a goatee and black cowboy hat on this guy and I think I could see a resemblence.
Posted by bilgert on :
ARCAEDGE is kind of a modified trading platform. Here's an interesting article:
So Source, how many shares of CSHD do you have?
Posted by milliam on :
Wow!!! James has been dropping a lot of stuff over on HSM. So far, he's posted CSHD's bank records for a couple of months and RPH's (supposed) Euroclear username and password.
He's also alluded that RPH's recent arrest was due to not feeding his horses, that they found at least one horse dead, and that RPH lost the ranch he had his horses on. He said this was all due to RPH being broke.
Crazy stuff...JG does say he will support RPH though because he's the only one that seems to want to get CSHD out of this mess. He did add that he feels we have a .02% chance of getting out of this.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Wow!!! James has been dropping a lot of stuff over on HSM. So far, he's posted CSHD's bank records for a couple of months and RPH's (supposed) Euroclear username and password.
He's also alluded that RPH's recent arrest was due to not feeding his horses, that they found at least one horse dead, and that RPH lost the ranch he had his horses on. He said this was all due to RPH being broke.
Crazy stuff...JG does say he will support RPH though because he's the only one that seems to want to get CSHD out of this mess. He did add that he feels we have a .02% chance of getting out of this.
And so it begins eh Milliam?
MY OPINION regarding James rattling off these things.
We have already been told this would be coming. Next Arlitt should chime in....and maybe we will have a few words from MA (Bodi). This should all lead up to another "take over"...but who will be named the next champion?
If what James is posting is true it will be public knowledge soon enough. If its not, well, lets play it this way.....
Some Loser Azz Now Dumps Everything Raunchy
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Today at 12:42pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
I Had one horse die several months ago, I even posted it on the site!! She was a cribber and cribbed on a wild cherry tree!!
No conditional problems, the state tried to take them the first time, 2.5 hours on the Tuesday after the answer to the SEC’s response!!
I told them that it was not going to happen, take me to court and prove your claim!!
While they were on my property (that same Tuesday) they put some kind of feed (all grain) and brought out molded hay!!, I refused to allow them to do it, but they placed it in the field and had a state agriculture agent with written order with them to do so!!
The next day my Best stallion and an expecting mare died!!
We had UGA pick up the horses for an autopsy!! The state intercepted the results and I have not seen them to date!!
We went to court and they could not prove anything I had all records for the horses disproving the claims, and told them I was going to counter sue when the results came in for what they have done!!
After I posted on here the other day, I have been told that agents showed up at the county, and told the county that if they did not charge me their funding was at risk!!
The court case was dismissed immediately (same day) and then state and FED officials showed up and charged me!!
The key to the dismissal was to prevent the UGA autopsy results from being disclosed, they were a result of an order of the court to prove their claim!!
Yes they took the horses!!
Yes, my daughters have not stopped crying over all of this!!
People, this was the last straw for me, they can play with me all they want too but when they took my horses, it is now WAR!!
James Gee, God blessed your wife and delivered her from your evil ways, Maybe I will have a talk with her soon!!
To the rest of you with motives, I will expose everything you have done before this is over!!
Yes, I have recently spoken with the SEC and they now want to discuss a settlement!!
I have 6 witnesses to all of this, and not all family but neighbors as well, who showed up to support!!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
edit.....bah double post nightmare Posted by PCola77 on :
This is the most bizarre situation I've probably ever seen with regard to stocks....
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
So Source, how many shares of CSHD do you have?
Not a single damn one ........
Thanks goodness I bit the bullet at .12 .
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
So Source, how many shares of CSHD do you have?
Not a single damn one ........
Thanks goodness I bit the bullet at .12 .
Thanks for the info. I will refer to this post at a later date. Posted by casviper on :
I cant' be bother to read all this, acutally I was surprise to see that this was still a discussion. I had written my shares off. Bottom line, what is going on and should I still consider my shares lost?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by casviper: I cant' be bother to read all this, acutally I was surprise to see that this was still a discussion. I had written my shares off. Bottom line, what is going on and should I still consider my shares lost?
Per Rufus: If you want a quick EXIT from all of this, order your Hard Copy Certificate!
Posted by Igor R on :
I havent seen this forum this active in a while lol.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Today at 12:42pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
I Had one horse die several months ago, I even posted it on the site!! She was a cribber and cribbed on a wild cherry tree!!
No conditional problems, the state tried to take them the first time, 2.5 hours on the Tuesday after the answer to the SEC’s response!!
I told them that it was not going to happen, take me to court and prove your claim!!
While they were on my property (that same Tuesday) they put some kind of feed (all grain) and brought out molded hay!!, I refused to allow them to do it, but they placed it in the field and had a state agriculture agent with written order with them to do so!!
The next day my Best stallion and an expecting mare died!!
We had UGA pick up the horses for an autopsy!! The state intercepted the results and I have not seen them to date!!
We went to court and they could not prove anything I had all records for the horses disproving the claims, and told them I was going to counter sue when the results came in for what they have done!!
After I posted on here the other day, I have been told that agents showed up at the county, and told the county that if they did not charge me their funding was at risk!!
The court case was dismissed immediately (same day) and then state and FED officials showed up and charged me!!
The key to the dismissal was to prevent the UGA autopsy results from being disclosed, they were a result of an order of the court to prove their claim!!
Yes they took the horses!!
Yes, my daughters have not stopped crying over all of this!!
People, this was the last straw for me, they can play with me all they want too but when they took my horses, it is now WAR!!
James Gee, God blessed your wife and delivered her from your evil ways, Maybe I will have a talk with her soon!!
To the rest of you with motives, I will expose everything you have done before this is over!!
Yes, I have recently spoken with the SEC and they now want to discuss a settlement!!
I have 6 witnesses to all of this, and not all family but neighbors as well, who showed up to support!!
Posted by thesource on :
Posted by Jenna on :
Source, Are you misbehaving?.....I thought you were going to be a good boy from now on?
Posted by thesource on :
Who told you that ? Was it Rufus ? That guy is such a little story teller .
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
« Reply #485 on Today at 8:22pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My friend Mr. Stanley’s Brake Line's was tamper with today causing him to wreck!!
There will be an investigation into this one!!
They are out in full force!!
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmm
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
This is just simply madness...Rufus needs to be locked up somewhere for the love of God...
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus may have slipped up....they were talking about certs & he said he would make sure they were EXCHANGED.....
....someone asked him about his wording & he said something to the effect..to forget him saying that.....
Don't you only "exchange" shares/certs for a merger????????
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna...your box is full...clean house woman...LOL
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
« Reply #485 on Today at 8:22pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My friend Mr. Stanley’s Brake Line's was tamper with today causing him to wreck!!
There will be an investigation into this one!!
They are out in full force!!
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmm
HMMMM?
lordy, how inappropriate...
hmmmm, indeed! How is poor Mr Stanley? What hospital?
Which authorities were notified?
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
Don't you only "exchange" shares/certs for a merger???????? [/QB]
I once exchanged a "cert"ified food stamp for a loaf of bread. Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus may have slipped up....they were talking about certs & he said he would make sure they were EXCHANGED.....
....someone asked him about his wording & he said something to the effect..to forget him saying that.....
Don't you only "exchange" shares/certs for a merger????????
no, certs are exchanged for name changes which involve a cusip number change...
The acronym CUSIP typically refers to both the Committee on Uniform Security Identification Procedures and the 9-digit alphanumeric security identifiers that they distribute for all North American securities for the purposes of facilitating clearing and settlement of trades. The CUSIP distribution system is owned by the American Bankers Association and is operated by Standard & Poor's. The CUSIP Services Bureau acts as the National Numbering Association (NNA) for North America, and the CUSIP serves as the National Securities Identification Number for products issued from both the United States and Canada Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Jenna...your box is full...clean house woman...LOL
I cleaned, but just a little.....send it to me sister....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
« Reply #485 on Today at 8:22pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My friend Mr. Stanley’s Brake Line's was tamper with today causing him to wreck!!
There will be an investigation into this one!!
They are out in full force!!
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmm
HMMMM?
lordy, how inappropriate...
hmmmm, indeed! How is poor Mr Stanley? What hospital?
Which authorities were notified?
He's not in the hospital.....& as far as the authorities, don't know....
Tex, why don't you go to Rufus' site & ask?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus may have slipped up....they were talking about certs & he said he would make sure they were EXCHANGED.....
....someone asked him about his wording & he said something to the effect..to forget him saying that.....
Don't you only "exchange" shares/certs for a merger????????
My last comment about the "exchange"....me stating we need them for a merger....I must have been tired....because I know you don't need them for a merger...sorry guys....
It would be nice if the "exchange" meant the 6:1....(to bad the PPS isn't at $15!!...what??? a girl can dream...)
Posted by Jenna on :
Here are some speculation about what the certs are needed for.....
RiverRider says:
IMO, the cert itself is evidence of illegal activity and is valuable in the persuit of damages and prosecution of the bad guys. In the exchange you would recieve real certs that include any additional shares and the old ones will go to court to fulfill the measure of their creation before being destroyed. JMHO
Hemmi says:
No it will be an exchange for another company. Cert for Cert Exchange. I'll bet money on it Posted by wallymac on :
NASD Hearing Panel Sanctions Former Knight Securities Executives for Supervisory Failures
An NASD Hearing Panel issued $100,000 in fines against Kenneth Pasternak, former CEO of Knight Securities, L.P. (now known as Knight Equity Markets, L.P.), and John Leighton, former head of the firm's Institutional Sales Desk, for supervisory violations in connection with fraudulent sales to institutional customers in 1999 and 2000.
In addition, Pasternak was suspended in all supervisory capacities for two years, while Leighton was barred in all supervisory capacities.
In March 2005, NASD's Department of Market Regulation charged Pasternak and Leighton with failure to supervise the firm's leading institutional sales trader, Joseph Leighton, who is John Leighton's brother. The NASD complaint also charged Pasternak with failing to establish and enforce a supervisory system designed to ensure compliance with federal securities laws and NASD rules.
In a 2-1 ruling, the panel found that Pasternak and John Leighton failed to supervise Joseph Leighton's trading activities. "For all intents and purposes, Joseph Leighton ran the Institutional Sales Department as he saw fit," the majority ruling says. "Pasternak, John Leighton, and Joseph Leighton each concluded that as long as the customers did not learn of the extraordinary profits Knight earned on their orders, there was no limit to the amount the firm could make on an institutional order."
The majority also found that Pasternak's response to numerous red flags was "woefully inadequate," that Pasternak and John Leighton "never questioned Joseph Leighton's activities or confirmed he was providing his customers with best execution and a fair price," and that the overall supervisory void "allowed Joseph Leighton to take advantage of his customers over a 21- month period by filling orders at prices that netted Knight unreasonably high profits."
In April 2005, Joseph Leighton agreed to a bar from the securities industry and a payment of more than $4 million to settle charges by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and NASD that he made millions of dollars in fraudulent trades with Knight's institutional customers. The SEC and NASD found that Joseph Leighton generated excessive profits by pricing trades with institutional customers in a manner contrary to customers' expectations and industry custom, and using deceptive trading practices to disguise both his pricing and the amount of Knight's profits.
In December 2004, Knight paid more than $79 million to settle SEC and NASD charges against the firm arising from Joseph Leighton's fraudulent and deceptive conduct. More than $3.3 million of Joseph Leighton's monetary sanction and more than $66 million of the firm's monetary sanction was paid into a Fair Fund established by the SEC to compensate investors harmed by Joseph Leighton's fraud.
Unless the matter is appealed to NASD's National Adjudicatory Council (NAC), or is called for review by the NAC, the hearing panel's decision becomes final after 45 days.
Portman? Do you ever read or post here any more?
Posted by thesource on :
Hell no . He knows Rufus was full of $hit .
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...Rufus has nothing to do with Port reading over here...take a deep breath source...
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Hell no . He knows Rufus was full of $hit .
Posted by thesource on :
I said that because Portman was one of Rufus's merry men back when all this crap hit the fan .
The only chance this company has to get back on track is to :
Hire an attorney to deal with the SEC in Federal court
and
Hire a person to come in and get the filings straightend out with some real audited financials .
If you guys think this was shorted before , just let this POS open back up on a regular market with nothing but Rufus to back it up . Hell I might even have to get me an over seas account to short it into the ground . Its a guaranteed win for sure .
If CSHD has billions or even millions for that fact , hire an attorney and get the ball moving foward .
I will make this prediction today and mark this post . Within (2)years from now CSHD will be a non trading or super light trading shell and Rufus will be in jail . If he's on probation already for DUI and has been to jail twice now since the beginning of the year , he'll screw up enough that they will revoke his probation and throw his stupid azz in jail to serve out his sentence .
Posted by 10of13 on :
We all have our own opinion and our own time lines...
Again...inhale...exhale...
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: We all have our own opinion and our own time lines...
Again...inhale...exhale...
Unfortunately , thats all anyone has with this company .
Posted by 10of13 on :
This is a post from RPH's board...talk about time lines...how much time does the court give the "average crooks"?
Start post: Today at 2:51pm, LadyTrader wrote:has anyone seen this !!.....
our T/A is in trouble .....
United States District Court District of Nevada (Reno) CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 3:05-cv-00608-BES-VPC
Carmichael v. Integrity Stock Transfer & Registrar Assigned to: Judge Brian E. Sandoval Referred to: Magistrate Judge Valerie P. Cooke Cause: 28:1441 Petition For Removal--Other Contract Date Filed: 11/08/2005 Jury Demand: Plaintiff Nature of Suit: 470 Racketeer/Corrupt Organization Jurisdiction: Federal Question Plaintiff Harvey L. Carmichael represented by Michael J Morrison 1495 Ridgeview Drive #220 Reno, NV 89509 775-827-6300 Fax: 775-827-6311 Email: michael*pyramid.net LEAD ATTORNEY ATTORNEY TO BE NOTICED
Filed in 05, any results?
On May 30, 2007, Plaintiff disclosed two expert witnesses and Defendants Integrity and Consalvi disclosed one expert. Depositions will need to be scheduled for these experts, assuming they are otherwise entitled to testify in this case under FRCP 26(a).
The parties discussed settlement in mid-late March, 2007, but nothing was resolved.
The parties have the following trial dates available, for an anticipated 3-day trial, without a jury:
February 25, 2008; March 3, 2008; and March 17, 2008.
The parties do not believe that the trial will be eliminated or that the length thereof will be affected by substantive motions
Posted by T e x on :
you know? I intended to mention this earlier, but now that it's kinda sorta brung up...
Neither the SEC action *nor* the GJ "probe* is holding this back from trading...
The "anchor around the neck" is the default judgment...Had the complaint been answered in a timely fashion, with some sort of competent response, the default could've been avoided.
From there, line up an MM via 15c2-11 and "pow" ... back in action.
Makes no sense the argument that SEC "killed it."
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: you know? I intended to mention this earlier, but now that it's kinda sorta brung up...
Neither the SEC action *nor* the GJ "probe* is holding this back from trading...
The "anchor around the neck" is the default judgment...Had the complaint been answered in a timely fashion, with some sort of competent response, the default could've been avoided.
From there, line up an MM via 15c2-11 and "pow" ... back in action.
Makes no sense the argument that SEC "killed it."
I agree with you Tex and have stated many times that the default was the only thing that matter. Unless/until that is resolved nothing will go forward. It's all hot air until then.
The 2 items posted today one by me and the other by 10 of worthiness, IMO, illustrated that shennigans to happen in the market especially in the penny market. There are many who stick their head in the sand and claim that NSS is a fantasy and doesn't happen.
I believe that myself and others who post on this forum have also used this play as a tool to learn from. I can say that I have gained a lot of valuable insight from following CSHD and other stocks in similar situations. As you pointed out the big difference here is that no one from the company bothered to take care of business when it should have. They should have paid more attention to the CEO of Overstock who continues to run his business while carrying on the fight.
Anyhow, point well taken.
Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: you know? I intended to mention this earlier, but now that it's kinda sorta brung up...
Neither the SEC action *nor* the GJ "probe* is holding this back from trading...
The "anchor around the neck" is the default judgment...Had the complaint been answered in a timely fashion, with some sort of competent response, the default could've been avoided.
From there, line up an MM via 15c2-11 and "pow" ... back in action.
Makes no sense the argument that SEC "killed it."
Great idea Tex!!!!
Than we could have been back at $1.99/share only to be walked (or thrown) back down by the same MM's that are probably shorting....
Like I said Great Idea....NOT!!!
I think laws need to be changed...illegal shorters need to be punished, & an agreement needs to be made where counterfeit shares should have to be bought back than crumpled up & thrown out the window...
THEN & only then we can trade WHEN & WHERE it's safe....
Thank you very much I'll be here all week...Be sure to tip your waiter or waitress before you leave..... Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus had a meeting this morning....he came back & posted some things but I don't think I will bother putting anything on this thread I'm tired of defending things that I bring over....
If anyone wants an update PM me....
I'm out for now, have a great weekend all....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus had a meeting this morning....he came back & posted some things but I don't think I will bother putting anything on this thread I'm tired of defending things that I bring over....
If anyone wants an update PM me....
I'm out for now, have a great weekend all....
There's no need for you to defend what was posted on another board. You bring it and post it. Refer the person questioning to the original poster. As far as I can see, it does create dialog which is good.
Dante is always in my thoughts. I hope he is doing better.
Wally
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus had a meeting this morning....he came back & posted some things but I don't think I will bother putting anything on this thread I'm tired of defending things that I bring over....
If anyone wants an update PM me....
I'm out for now, have a great weekend all....
There's no need for you to defend what was posted on another board. You bring it and post it. Refer the person questioning to the original poster. As far as I can see, it does create dialog which is good.
Dante is always in my thoughts. I hope he is doing better.
Wally
Agreed .
Posted by TimW on :
I dont know if im way behind on this or not, but has anyone looked at the website lately??
It lists off the shares outstanding on 9/5 as about normal and by 9/29 the shares "held" in those brokers exceeds the outstanding.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus had a meeting this morning....he came back & posted some things but I don't think I will bother putting anything on this thread I'm tired of defending things that I bring over....
If anyone wants an update PM me....
I'm out for now, have a great weekend all....
There's no need for you to defend what was posted on another board. You bring it and post it. Refer the person questioning to the original poster. As far as I can see, it does create dialog which is good.
Dante is always in my thoughts. I hope he is doing better.
Wally
Thanks Wally....
....So sorry about your daddy....it's never easy..
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: I dont know if im way behind on this or not, but has anyone looked at the website lately??
It lists off the shares outstanding on 9/5 as about normal and by 9/29 the shares "held" in those brokers exceeds the outstanding.
The day after he posted that he had a heap of trouble come his way....
Rufus had a "meeting" Friday morning...won't say with who....
He did say that he already turned down an offer...people are speculating that he was getting presented with a new offer....
Later in the day he came back to post dollar signs & smiley faces & told people who were asking a lot of questions that he could not answer because it would jeopardize the case....He also said that things are moving so fast now 'cause we are so close to the end...
If I get time later I will post them over here...but PLEASE do not kill the messanger, if you have questions, discuss it amongst yourselves or like Wally said go ask the person who posted it...Thanks everybody... Posted by Jenna on :
By the way, James Gee's ex-wife was posting on HSM apparently last night...Her name on there is Vividaisy.....I seen some of her posts & she had some not-so-nice things to say about him....James Gee showed up in a hurry to try to shut her up..... Posted by T e x on :
I won't kill any messenger, but what's up with that previous *snarky* post to yours truly?
Posted by Jenna on :
I am tired Tex, you make me weary....I just feel like you are going after me....are you? LOL...Do I sound like a cry baby?....
I just hope that you know I do this to let people know that this is what has been said, not saying that it's my opinion, just letting people know who can't go over to the other board...
I hope I didn't take you the wrong way & I hope you don't take me the wrong way either....
I'm glad that you keep every thing on track I really am but just please try not be condescending after all that's not SEXY....
Good Night Tex....have a beer for me please (if your drinking that is).....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: I won't kill any messenger, but what's up with that previous *snarky* post to yours truly?
By the way, what is "snarky" never heard that before....Is that kinda like biotchy?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: I won't kill any messenger, but what's up with that previous *snarky* post to yours truly?
By the way, what is "snarky" never heard that before....Is that kinda like biotchy?
Very much the same. Hey. I'll have a beer and a brandy for you. Tex is cool. He just likes dialog which is the best thing when it comes to any play in the penny market.
Good Night Wally
Posted by T e x on :
ya... kinda like...maybe not so much, though.
weary? lol, *everybody* following this is weary, if not eerie...
"condescending" .... eeek...
what does that mean to you?
It occurs to me... we may have a bit of a "generation gap," here...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Aren't "snarks" those little underwater cartoon characters with the hoses on the top of their heads?
(Okay, those were snorks, for the unaware...)
Jenna, I take snarky to be like "snppy and sarcastic". I'd say well short of the point of *****y, but kind of "unprovoked", if you will.
I thikn people are just gettng (have been?) frustrated. I think Tex wa saying that people are complaining that CSHD isn't trading fairly because of the SEC and Tex said it could have been trading if the response was filed quickly. You're then saying "what good would that have done", and I think that's a valid point, but not really directly related to Tex's point.
Oh well, I like you both, so don't make me pick sides Posted by mathis on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Aren't "snarks" those little underwater cartoon characters with the hoses on the top of their heads?
(Okay, those were snorks, for the unaware...)
Flashback from childhood ..reminded me of the smurfs
Posted by milliam on :
I was in the area Sat., so I stopped by the ranch where we had the BBQ. I don't really have anything to report. I'm pretty sure RPH wasn't there (I didn't see his truck). There were 2 guys working cleaning old stumps and brush from one of the fields. I didn't bother to go see them. I could see that one did have on a cowboy hat, but I'm pretty sure it wasn't RPH. The guy was in a GMC truck and I think Rufus is a Ford man. Possibly the owners cleaning up the place to lease it out again? Did Rufus every say that he lost the ranch?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Aren't "snarks" those little underwater cartoon characters with the hoses on the top of their heads?
(Okay, those were snorks, for the unaware...)
Jenna, I take snarky to be like "snppy and sarcastic". I'd say well short of the point of *****y, but kind of "unprovoked", if you will.
I thikn people are just gettng (have been?) frustrated. I think Tex wa saying that people are complaining that CSHD isn't trading fairly because of the SEC and Tex said it could have been trading if the response was filed quickly. You're then saying "what good would that have done", and I think that's a valid point, but not really directly related to Tex's point.
Oh well, I like you both, so don't make me pick sides
By the way, those were SNORKS!!!...LOL
Tex, Did we just have our "first fight"?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Milliam? Since you live in the area...you should swing by the Humane society and ask about the horses and see if you can't go see them and see if they are in "bad shape"... After all weren't the horses suppose to be "one of the JV's"?
Posted by Jenna on :
10- did you see that Rufus got a summons to be in court the same day that he is supposed to be in Washington....the summons is for violating a Leash Law, but he said the weird thing is he never got a ticket for that....
Posted by 10of13 on :
Yes, I read that...didn't see the summons... What was he going to DC for?
Posted by Jenna on :
I think a dinner?...not sure...
Posted by 10of13 on :
I don't see why the wife can't go for the leash law summons... what I find odd is that he got this summons over the weekend...or at least he didn't mention it until Sunday...never said anything prior...
Posted by Jenna on :
....don't know 10....with this stock, NOTHING IS NORMAL!! LOL!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
That's for sure!
Posted by Jenna on :
Guys, what ever happened to Repoman?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys, what ever happened to Repoman?
I was wondering the same thing....Boy I miss his bashing! lmao
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Ya, I had to find someone else to fight with....right Source? LMAO
Posted by Lockman on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys, what ever happened to Repoman?
I was wondering the same thing....Boy I miss his bashing! lmao
He probably cashed in his FRPT shares and is sitting on a beach somewhere. lol
Posted by Jo4321 on :
I'm not exactly sure what happenned to Repoman. He used to Pm me occasionally and then he vanished. So much for our internet affair
There is someone over on the FRPT board on Yahoo with the name Repoman575 or something like that. I'm not sure if it is the same Repoman though or just someone who "stole" his name. That Repoman seems a bit more of a jerk. I know the Repoman that posted here could be a jerk too, but usually in a funny way.
Jo
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Milliam? Since you live in the area...you should swing by the Humane society and ask about the horses and see if you can't go see them and see if they are in "bad shape"... After all weren't the horses suppose to be "one of the JV's"?
I live somewhat close to the area, but its still a 2+ hour drive to get there. I was up that way for something else, so I drove by the ranch.
Also, from what I gather, Paul is supposed to head to DC for the presidential dinner. This is what he's alluded to at least.
As for the leash law stuff...I'd be real surprised the area he lives in even has a leash law. It seems to be way back in the sticks, but for all I know, he had his dogs at the park or something without a leash. Who knows!
Posted by Jenna on :
Anybody know anything about the annual shareholder's meeting?....I can't figure it out & I'm not getting an answer at the other site so maybe noone knows anything....
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna? Doesn't there have to be a SHC in order to have a meeting? It is my understanding that that SHC was "dissolved"/finished as of around January 17th...and there is no other put in place...
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Jenna? Doesn't there have to be a SHC in order to have a meeting? It is my understanding that that SHC was "dissolved"/finished as of around January 17th...and there is no other put in place...
Oh...LOL...I don't know...I guess that makes sense!!!
Posted by PCola77 on :
He got banned enough times that my guess is by mutual agreement (or Allstocks staff agreement anyway...) he doesn't post here anymore. I've chatted with him a few times on IHUB, but not in a while.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys, what ever happened to Repoman?
Posted by Jenna on :
Oh good, as long as he's ok....wasn't sure if anything happened to him....
Posted by minkybodl on :
Repo is at Yahoo FRPT as Repoman5757, I go there to lol at the things he posts, plus he talked,{battered} me into getting some FRPT back in Nov. so I'm checking on that.
Posted by GreenDay on :
I've been out of the penny loop except CSHD for months. I'm a teacher and only trade on summer break. Well I'm on summer break now. I pretty much lost most of my play money last summer here at CSHD. But I got a few bucks to play with this summer.
I love some PM's of what stock plays look good in the next couple weeks that I can start looking at.
PM's PLEASE! - I have no intentions of bringing this thread off topic.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay: I've been out of the penny loop except CSHD for months. I'm a teacher and only trade on summer break. Well I'm on summer break now. I pretty much lost most of my play money last summer here at CSHD. But I got a few bucks to play with this summer.
I love some PM's of what stock plays look good in the next couple weeks that I can start looking at.
PM's PLEASE! - I have no intentions of bringing this thread off topic.
you're welcome to do as you please, but just a hint... peeps that like to PM about "good plays" may not have your interests in mind. For example, one way I spot a front-loader is a poster with "great experience" or "willing to share" yada yada and then says, "Just PM me for the info."
Understand your intentions re the thread...just a hedzup...
Posted by GreenDay on :
Tex - PM. I know - not looking for "buy" advise - just a pointer in what threads to start reading. I'd pull my hair out trying to read all of them.
I think I'm gonna cancel my subpenny subscription. I don't get my $6 a month worth there out of Rufus anymore, but I might give Simon my ear a few more times. Anyone know when he goes on live again?
Posted by T e x on :
answered...
Simon the Chart-Boy? Gee, I think that show is really good...right now is playing the repeat from last night, I believe... not sure whether he has a "holiday schedule" going, but I remember something about an upcoming vacation.
Posted by Jenna on :
Here is a post that just happened at Rufie's site....Rufus' response in Bold...
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Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
Re: Monday, June 11th - Hold your ground « Reply #1062 on Today at 9:53pm »
Today at 9:41pm, weallwin wrote:Pual what's the deal with the pre 10/16 shares being signed by JA...shouldn't those shares be signed by you..I'm kind of confused I guess...Besides I don't want shares signed by the fake CEO..!!!
I'll BRB with an interesting response to this one!!
That will make each of you go Hmmmmmmmm Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Jenna a quick non sarcastic question. Do you believe anything that Rufus says?
Posted by Jenna on :
ST-22, I used to believe John Arlitt, so I guess now I just believe myself....
I'm just the messanger...I think that these guys over here have the right to know what he says whether they believe him or not....
ST22- I saw that you signed up over on Rufus' site....
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ST-22, I used to believe John Arlitt, so I guess now I just believe myself....
I'm just the messanger...I think that these guys over hear have the right to know what he says whether they believe him or not....
ST22- I saw that you signed up over on Rufus' site....
Was there months ago, cant remember the last time I logged on.
Posted by Jenna on :
St22- Honestly, if you have any questions for him he's really cool, just ask him, he's on right now....He won't bite....
I'm being serious....
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Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Well I'm not a new member thats for sure...and I have written a post I believe, so maybe that is someone else?
Posted by Jenna on :
No, It's you, I checked, you haven't been on in a while....you signed up back in March....It says you deactivated so it probably really has been a while....
I really wish you would go ask him questions....
Posted by Jenna on :
You still have your shares right ST22?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
yes ma'am
$9,000 to $100 Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
Re: Monday, June 11th - Hold your ground « Reply #1092 on Today at 10:15pm »
Today at 9:41pm, weallwin wrote:Pual what's the deal with the pre 10/16 shares being signed by JA...shouldn't those shares be signed by you..I'm kind of confused I guess...Besides I don't want shares signed by the fake CEO..!!!
That is because your shares did not exist in the Market other that electronically, Hence Air shares!!
How the DTC system is legally suppose to work is that a Hard Copy Certificate share is deposited with a DTC agent and held before a electronic share can be created!!
Your New share is evidence that they did not have any certificated deposited with a DTC agent and had to have the TA issue a new one, therefore the new numbers being issued is also evidence, undisputable evidence!!
At some point these fraudulent Market Manipulators will realize there is no way out!!
Trying to cover up what they have done to CSHD shareholders via the brokers and the MM is like digging the grave deeper and deeper!!
Therefore a escape proof trap was created, Yes this is going to be a great movie Posted by Igor R on :
Its interesting where hes going with this, but nevertheless still nothing has happened. Jenna can you ask him for any timelines or estimates of when things might occur?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: yes ma'am
$9,000 to $100
Well, hopefully he is telling the truth....
Look at it this way though, he is still a free man... Why isn't he in jail yet....
Jim Plant from CyberKey...his stock was halted, & before 2 weeks went by he was arrested....
you'd think they could clear this up by now....
The best thing that you did was not to sell...because if you did it would have for sure been a loss for you....if Rufus is telling the truth, you still have a shot at seeing your money again....
By the way, you do great with your other picks so at least your not sitting by waiting for this one...your very good at picking them...& something made you pick this one....I haven't seen you pick a bad one yet!!! Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Its interesting where hes going with this, but nevertheless still nothing has happened. Jenna can you ask him for any timelines or estimates of when things might occur?
He said he has someone is setting up the exit right now....may take 2-3 weeks....but I always double the timeline because you can't always contol it...so I'm not planning on anything until the end of June, beginning of July...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: yes ma'am
$9,000 to $100
Well, hopefully he is telling the truth....
Look at it this way though, he is still a free man... Why isn't he in jail yet....
Jim Plant from CyberKey...his stock was halted, & before 2 weeks went by he was arrested....
you'd think they could clear this up by now....
The best thing that you did was not to sell...because if you did it would have for sure been a loss for you....if Rufus is telling the truth, you still have a shot at seeing your money again....
By the way, you do great with your other picks so at least your not sitting by waiting for this one...your very good at picking them...& something made you pick this one....I haven't seen you pick a bad one yet!!!
Thanks, but lets not get too far, I've had some awful picks
Just more than 50% are winners and thats what matters Posted by Igor R on :
Doesnt matter if 99% of your picks suck, as long as the profit > loss, then its all good.
Posted by Jenna on :
This is from IronGullotine:
RPH's goal was to nail the shorts once and for all... BBAN was, to me, a trial run... He watched and documented all the nooks and loopholes that the NSS found... Hearing RPH's name come up in another publicly traded company must have been the most exciting thing in the world to them... They most likely thought, "easy money"...
But whoops... RPH had marked down each and every single escape route they took with BBAN, and covered his (and ours) I said a bad word...
With RPH knowing full well that he had every single exit strategically blocked off, there was no doubt in his mind about the investors and what they would see in return for their hardships... This allowed RPH to go about Yipping and Yelling about the PPS and all the money "investors" would receive...
This also purged the NSS to continue smashing this stock to near extinction... One problem... They couldn't finish their job...
RPH locked all the exits, and now their only hope is for us to sell our shares to them... IMO most of the weak hands are out, and the rest are either Gung-ho or feel it makes no sense to sell, so they ride it out... Beautiful... No one selling much needed shares... NSS = screwed... To the point where it is opening up many eyes...
Also, for those who don't think this was planned... Look at the "fraud stories" in the news as of late... Look at the mergers taking place... You think this is all by accident???
Shorts are screwed, no two ways about it... There only out is buying shares from us, which will be nearly impossible giving the position we are in... Beautiful, by them shorting and manipulating this stock even what weak hands are left are refusing to sell at these levels... Pity on them for only bringing it down to where we are now and not getting us to sell... They screwed themselved by not getting this company delisted for good... Their job not complete = no one is willing to sell...
Their final attempt is to make us sell... And they will do it by all means necessary... I know I'm holding tight as can be... Haven't sold a share, and won't till the war is won...
Posted by Jenna on :
Well ST22, you are definately better than I....
Posted by Upside on :
I'm not in this but have watched it with interest. Come on, this guy really is a moron and he's more than likely setting himself up for a huge fall. This was a stock that was pumped to what, 3 bucks (not sure) and it's now at a penny or so? Leave. There is no potential here.
Posted by Jenna on :
This is what I've thought all along!!!!!!!!
He knew he had almost all the shares accounted for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone you better listen up....he's talkin'!!! *************************************************
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Re: Monday, June 11th - Hold your ground « Reply #1146 on Today at 10:31pm »
Today at 10:17pm, jenna wrote:Mr. Harris, Gianni posted earlier that he got his cert but that they didn't have that stamp that is the #'s with the line above it, which we figured was the DTCC stamp....
What does that mean?...cert no good?
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Please when you read this do not panic about it!
Unless you received a HCC and deposited it with a Broker the chances are you bought AIR!! The Legal tradable shares shortly after the merger, was only 31 million with Mike Alexander and Wife holding 14 million!! Meaning there was only 17 million shares that were even legal to trade via DTC (electronically). Things that make you go Hmmmmmmm, I know of a group of people that bought 11 million up right after the merger, leaving 6 million legally tradable shares. There were day that we traded 7-20 million with 6 million legal share in the market place, Hence the majority was illegal shares!! Posted by stocktrader22 on :
BUT CAN HE PROVE IT? AND IF HE CAN WHY HASNT HE TRIED? AND IF HE HAD THEM TRAPPED WHY DIDNT HE POUNCE ON IT? INSTEAD HE HAS NO ATTORNEY, WAS LATE ON THE DEFAULT ETC.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: BUT CAN HE PROVE IT? AND IF HE CAN WHY HASNT HE TRIED? AND IF HE HAD THEM TRAPPED WHY DIDNT HE POUNCE ON IT? INSTEAD HE HAS NO ATTORNEY, WAS LATE ON THE DEFAULT ETC.
Agreed on that...If he's had all this information for so long, why did he sit on his ass and twiddle his thumbs.
Posted by Jenna on :
He claims that he kept speaking with Mr. Hicks asking him if he had subpeona'ed the MM's for their records & the answer was always no....
I think he's letting them dig their grave farther...everyday he is collecting more...he said that he had to wait to trap ALL the bad guys & I think the time has come...I think he has them all...that's why he is slowly letting us see bits & pieces....
He also said that the SEC is negotiating with him now & that they are trying to settle...
GUYS DON'T KILL ME, I'M JUST RELAYING THE INFO.... Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Upside: I'm not in this but have watched it with interest. Come on, this guy really is a moron and he's more than likely setting himself up for a huge fall. This was a stock that was pumped to what, 3 bucks (not sure) and it's now at a penny or so? Leave. There is no potential here.
4 bucks was the high, Up...
to understand? you gotchyer CMKXers drinking the Kool-Aid... you gotchyer QBIDers snortin' straight from the package....
Some of these otherwise trustworthy, decent human beings have skipped the smoking part and are mainlining it...
kid gloves, bro
Posted by Jenna on :
Here's more:
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Rufus Paul Harris Administrator Re: Monday, June 11th - Hold your ground « Reply #1178 on Today at 10:53pm »
Today at 10:45pm, bandit1 wrote:Evening all, is it the TA who is issuing the "air shares" or is it the policy of Integrity to do this on a regular basis with any company under their umbrella?
The MM”s sell the illegal shares and the TA does nothing to stop it!!
There are laws that require for a DTC eligible stock to keep records up todate with in a 3 day time frame along with re issuance of stock certs!!
In other word, if when you ask for your HCC and it is not provided within 5-7 days, Go Hmmmmmm.
For the TA and DTC to be in compliance when ask request for a new stock certificate they must be provided within 3 days to remain DTC compliance!!This is why corporation hires TA's to see that the corporation meets the DTC rules and requirements to remain eligible!! Posted by Jenna on :
Ok- Boys...go ahead & discuss the info....
Posted by T e x on :
Info?
lol...WHAT info?
perhaps I missed something--easy to do--but I don't see any new info...
???
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus' answering Frank's questions....
Are you suggesting that the certificates are maintained by the DTCC for the different MM's covering their position?
Are you suggesting that the certificates are maintained by the DTCC for the different MM's covering their position?
You are saying for instance that if Etrade is holding street name for 10mil shares it has a certificate from the TA for 10mil shares (representing the shareholders that buy through etrade)????? How is that maintained given the nature of volume traded between MM's?
Some Broker dealers have internal DTC agents!! It just depends on the institution!!
When pulling any type of monetary transaction for shareholders do you merely consult ADP or wherever and pull the "as of" NOBO list to find the list of folks who qualify?
THE NOBO report only gives you a list of Non Objective shareholders to include addresses and all contact information!! You must compare the NOBO to the DTC security position to calculate the OBO
For instance- if you pull "as of" date on 10/16 then it comes up with the shareholders of record as of 10/16 with no distinction from who holds the shares in HCC or electronic format?
No HCC shareholders will not show up on the NOBO, it is for electronic shares only Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Even if what Rufus is saying makes sense, nothing of value will come out of any of this for shareholders IMO. You think the SEC is going to settle and say okay Rufus you are right, we will let it trade now at $2 and your assetts are legit! HAHAA
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Info?
lol...WHAT info?
perhaps I missed something--easy to do--but I don't see any new info...
???
Tex, I was just being silly....I was trying to be like Michael Meyers from Sat. Night Live...
"Alright, discuss it amongst yourselves...." but I guess I wasn't doing it right....I have to go...I'm getting a little verklempt! Posted by Igor R on :
Nothing of value will happen until something happens in the court.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Info?
lol...WHAT info?
perhaps I missed something--easy to do--but I don't see any new info...
???
Tex, I was just being silly....I was trying to be like Michael Meyers from Sat. Night Live...
"Alright, discuss it amongst yourselves...." but I guess I wasn't doing it right....I have to go...I'm getting a little verklempt!
Don't worry, you're still "like butta" in my eyes.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Even if what Rufus is saying makes sense, nothing of value will come out of any of this for shareholders IMO. You think the SEC is going to settle and say okay Rufus you are right, we will let it trade now at $2 and your assetts are legit! HAHAA
Why not?? Why would you punish a man & company who did nothing wrong? Why punish a company that had criminals fabricating shares & selling them, it's not the company that was doing it...
Posted by Jenna on :
Good one Igor!!!
Your like Butta to me too!!
Posted by Jenna on :
He's laughing with the HeHe's again...
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Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
Re: Tuesday, June 12th - Break out the pasta strai « Reply #76 on Today at 11:16pm »
Today at 10:50pm, averagejoe270 wrote:Didn't MA and his wife sell their shares, thereby adding 14 million real shares into the market or whatever amount they sold?
How does some one sell restricted shares?
Oh yeah remember MA certificates were not issued until 8/13/2006 He He He He
So how did we have 31 million free trading shares, He He He He
You can never get the number to work with illegal shares in the market, these guy are allowed to sell illegal shares everyday and our GOV does nothing about it!!
But someone did!! He He He He Posted by stocktrader22 on :
If things were really happening Rufus would be a professional and not writing online, just conducting business. This is what he does for fun in his spare time, play with you guys
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Even if what Rufus is saying makes sense, nothing of value will come out of any of this for shareholders IMO. You think the SEC is going to settle and say okay Rufus you are right, we will let it trade now at $2 and your assetts are legit! HAHAA
Why not?? Why would you punish a man & company who did nothing wrong? Why punish a company that had criminals fabricating shares & selling them, it's not the company that was doing it...
O jen...
when the 180 hits? Hope you're wearing a neck-brace.
You seem to be a nice, sweet young lady. Was this your "first-play" in trading?
Posted by Jenna on :
Well, What if Rufus wants us to turn in our certs to the company via a company T/A? That's what we're thinking over at the other board....If he has his own in-house T/A, pehaps the exit is to turn our certs in to the company & they hold them for us....then the shorts would have to cover by buying our shares from the company (us)...we would have our own accounts that we could look up in real-time via the website....HHHMMMM...He said for us to set our price....
What do you guys think?
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Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
Re: Monday, June 11th - Hold your ground « Reply #1180 on Today at 10:55pm »
Today at 10:49pm, PANTERA1973 wrote:Paul, How can we best become prepared to "be prepared to move"? Should we establish a relationship with a local reputable broker to trade in our HCC's when the time is right?
No!! Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Even if what Rufus is saying makes sense, nothing of value will come out of any of this for shareholders IMO. You think the SEC is going to settle and say okay Rufus you are right, we will let it trade now at $2 and your assetts are legit! HAHAA
Why not?? Why would you punish a man & company who did nothing wrong? Why punish a company that had criminals fabricating shares & selling them, it's not the company that was doing it...
O jen...
when the 180 hits? Hope you're wearing a neck-brace.
You seem to be a nice, sweet young lady. Was this your "first-play" in trading?
No, before this, I was doing Big Boards....would I stick with Pennies? NO WAY!!!
Tex, why are you so into this stock? Just curious....Rufus even has your attention...I find that funny.... Posted by bilgert on :
Hey Jenna- just wanted to say that you're doing a nice job bringing over the juicy posts from the cvsu board. I've been kind of lazy keeping up with CSHD- I just noted the other day to a friend of mine that I'm too busy with my REAL job and keeping track of my non-gray stocks to keep track of Rufus' posts. So, thanks.
Sincerely, lazy-bert
Posted by bilgert on :
P.S. Yes, I'm on my 3rd Sam Adams
Posted by frank021474 on :
JENNAAAAAA we golden......
just kidding- I saw you posting on ********s and came to say hello Posted by Jenna on :
Bilgert- You guys are the reason I do that....
I know some people don't have the time....& I know that you would want to know what is said but it's much appreciated!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: JENNAAAAAA we golden......
just kidding- I saw you posting on ********s and came to say hello
You ROCK!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Even if what Rufus is saying makes sense, nothing of value will come out of any of this for shareholders IMO. You think the SEC is going to settle and say okay Rufus you are right, we will let it trade now at $2 and your assetts are legit! HAHAA
Why not?? Why would you punish a man & company who did nothing wrong? Why punish a company that had criminals fabricating shares & selling them, it's not the company that was doing it...
O jen...
when the 180 hits? Hope you're wearing a neck-brace.
You seem to be a nice, sweet young lady. Was this your "first-play" in trading?
...and Tex....I hope your wearing a diaper cause pretty soon your going to chit yourself!!!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Even if what Rufus is saying makes sense, nothing of value will come out of any of this for shareholders IMO. You think the SEC is going to settle and say okay Rufus you are right, we will let it trade now at $2 and your assetts are legit! HAHAA
Why not?? Why would you punish a man & company who did nothing wrong? Why punish a company that had criminals fabricating shares & selling them, it's not the company that was doing it...
O jen...
when the 180 hits? Hope you're wearing a neck-brace.
You seem to be a nice, sweet young lady. Was this your "first-play" in trading?
No, before this, I was doing Big Boards....would I stick with Pennies? NO WAY!!!
Tex, why are you so into this stock? Just curious....Rufus even has your attention...I find that funny....
lol...that doesn't surprise me...
lottsa shady traders been busted here. One i busted many times (over 40 attempts at PnDs) is now in big trouble... not only SEC but also criminal charges--last I knew he was in Rikers.
Of course, Rufus has "my attention." lol...not well worded, but I understand...
Jen? Lottssa scams try to run though Allstocks--going all the way back to "Tokyo Joe"
Think this is the first one, just cuz it's new to you?
Posted by Jenna on :
Well we will see Tex....
By the way what wasn't worded well??? Here we go condesending again.....
Do you feel smart Tex??? Are you smarter than a 5th grader??? LOL...
Posted by frank021474 on :
Tex I hear what you are saying but if CSHD is a pump and dump I would suggest firing the current folks at the helm of this debaccle....the PPS speaks volumes.
I think we are beyond the current analogy of this as being a pump and dump and have not moved into truely understanding WHAT the purpose of this play was/is.
Not that most are excited being along for the ride but a lot of stones are being turned and exposing a lot of interesting creatures beneath.
Even if its proven the scam you mention above it will provide a severe education in the stock market as a whole.
I think you are in the same boat as everyone as NOT knowing what the play is. We have a lot going on with the courts and until that piece of the puzzle revealed everyone is merely speculating.
I am not saying that we are golden- nor am I saying we are fuq'd. I am saying however that YOU nor I know what is going on and until the judge rules we can sit and speculate.
Calling a closet PnD is probably a bit premature. If it was I would think that Alana Black and Bill Hicks would have already prevailed.
Thats my 2 cents- it may be worth .009 but thats it Posted by stocktrader22 on :
I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Posted by Jenna on :
Instead of Simon says...we will play Rufus says....Rufus says...:
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Look at the DTC corporation as a bank!
A Bank holds the Cash Money for you to make electronic transactions with, Credit Cards, Debit Cards and Checks. You spend the money it comes out of your account, Right
Well with the DTC a HCC is deposited in stead of Cash for you to do electronic transaction with, Same process!!
Even most banks sweep your account at night for trading in oversee markets!! Same thing as Pooled shares with the DTC, they loan the shares to Brokers and MM for shorting.That is where the Market Manulipation comes into play; the process is only available to institutions and VIP traders!!
You as the little man can not short a stock like they can; it is a protection process for them that have developed into a RICO organization!!
Every major falling stock if the records of the DTC were pulled, I am willing to bet that million were made off of it!! Posted by Jenna on :
Instead of Simon says...we will play Rufus says....Rufus says...:
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Look at the DTC corporation as a bank!
A Bank holds the Cash Money for you to make electronic transactions with, Credit Cards, Debit Cards and Checks. You spend the money it comes out of your account, Right
Well with the DTC a HCC is deposited in stead of Cash for you to do electronic transaction with, Same process!!
Even most banks sweep your account at night for trading in oversee markets!! Same thing as Pooled shares with the DTC, they loan the shares to Brokers and MM for shorting.That is where the Market Manulipation comes into play; the process is only available to institutions and VIP traders!!
You as the little man can not short a stock like they can; it is a protection process for them that have developed into a RICO organization!!
Every major falling stock if the records of the DTC were pulled, I am willing to bet that million were made off of it!! Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....because PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....becuase PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
Look at the volume when the stock was trading in the dollar and up range, rufus kept promoting as his friends were selling, and thats how he could continue to get the most out of his promotion. JMO
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Well we will see Tex....
By the way what wasn't worded well??? Here we go condesending again.....
Do you feel smart Tex??? Are you smarter than a 5th grader??? LOL...
bingo boingo...
Jen, you posted:
quote:Rufus even has your attention
Even allowing your tortured syntax, the message seems to be that even Rufus has noticed me and my posts.
Given that you attempted to have him --or some agent -- come to the board several nights ago in an attempt to debate or chat or whatever... I *think* I'm safe to assume that Rufus has at least thought about engaging me in debate or chit-chat or some sort of dialog...
????
yes? no?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....becuase PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
Look at the volume when the stock was trading in the dollar and up range, rufus kept promoting as his friends were selling, and thats how he could continue to get the most out of his promotion. JMO
What friends were selling??? Where did you get that info? Maybe you should send that info to Alana Black....she may need your help... Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Well we will see Tex....
By the way what wasn't worded well??? Here we go condesending again.....
Do you feel smart Tex??? Are you smarter than a 5th grader??? LOL...
bingo boingo...
Jen, you posted:
quote:Rufus even has your attention
Even allowing your tortured syntax, the message seems to be that even Rufus has noticed me and my posts.
Given that you attempted to have him --or some agent -- come to the board several nights ago in an attempt to debate or chat or whatever... I *think* I'm safe to assume that Rufus has at least thought about engaging me in debate or chit-chat or some sort of dialog...
????
yes? no?
Yes, he was going to come over but don't flatter yourself Tex...He has NO CLUE who you are....
Posted by T e x on :
lol, apparently has no clue how to register, either...
SO...what did that goofy phrase mean?
"Rufus even has your attention"
Posted by Jenna on :
My "tortured syntax"? WOW....doesn't look so tortured to me....WOW!!
those are big words for a little blonde nurse like me....
I wish I had big words like that when I went to medical school....instead I had to use words like Isles of Langerhans & hydrochlorthiazide, & I had to learn what is better for a wound hydrogel impregnated gauze or Aquacel with silver....Darn it...
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, apparently has no clue how to register, either...
SO...what did that goofy phrase mean?
"Rufus even has your attention"
It's so simple it's stupid so I'll help you....
It means that Rufus has you coming to this thread here (where you are right now) discussing him & his stock & checking this thread...see that means you are paying attention....see Rufus has your attention....You DO NOT have his attention, he IS NOT calling SubpennyRadio talking about Tex from Allstocks....however, you have called SPR talking about Rufus & CSHD right? That's what having attention means....Did that help?
If your asking why I used the word "even" because you have proclaimed that you know which of these pennies are scams...you think this one is one so why bother checking in here every night?? I know you are a moderator but you can check up without commenting, right? You know why you do it?...maybe because this stock is addicting....for everyone....Yes, some may "drink" the Kool-Aid as you say but what is it that you are drinking?
I'm tired so I'm warning you, I'm not very pleasant... Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....becuase PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
Look at the volume when the stock was trading in the dollar and up range, rufus kept promoting as his friends were selling, and thats how he could continue to get the most out of his promotion. JMO
What friends were selling??? Where did you get that info? Maybe you should send that info to Alana Black....she may need your help...
Look all im saying is Rufus benefited from this big time and the only thing making sense right now is he did it through his buddies.
Posted by wallymac on :
Even Rufus doesn't debate the fact that this was a pump and dump. The only thing he states is that he and CSHD was not a party to the pump and dump.
I'm with Tex on this one, look at AJW and any other Toxic financer and you will see who was dumping. Not Rocket science, IMO.
Personally, I think Rufus bit off more than he can chew. He may have thought he had it all figured out and cover every scenario but he didn't.
As far as the talk of SEC not following through and possibly in settlement negotiations? The was no need for the SEC to do anything after they filed with the courts. The ball was in Rufus and CSHD's court and they fumbled it. A default was entered, in essence a win for the SEC. Until a ruling by the court states differently they have no need to proof anything. At least that is my understanding of the proceedings. I made a challenge on the HSM board because of the talk that the SEc negotiating meant a financial windfall to share holders. I will make the same challenge here.
I would like anyone to show me documented evidence that the SEC has ever come back after suspending a company from trading and stated that they made a mistake or that they have ever paid one penny in restitution to a stock that was suspended. I haven't found one. What I have seen is that the SEC will negotiate settlements with companies and majority shareholders in order to put an end to the action. These settlements from what I have gathered are usually a fine, disgorgement and/or bannings of the individuals involved from taking positions in a publicly traded company either for life or for a set term.
History tells me that this case is no different but of course can be changed. Just as Charts aren't always right. Yet until history is proven wrong I will go with history.
I hope Rufus can change history, I'm just not about to hold my breath.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I am surprised Rufus isnt arrested or behind bars, he must have been very smart in covering his trails as his friends purchased a bunch and sold for him IMO
Either that or there was NO DUMP....what makes more sense???????
Either the SEC is the slowest people or even with bringing in the FBI they can't find anything....becuase PERHAPS ther is nothing to find.....
Look at the volume when the stock was trading in the dollar and up range, rufus kept promoting as his friends were selling, and thats how he could continue to get the most out of his promotion. JMO
What friends were selling??? Where did you get that info? Maybe you should send that info to Alana Black....she may need your help...
Look all im saying is Rufus benefited from this big time and the only thing making sense right now is he did it through his buddies.
St22, you like to stick to facts right? How did he benefit? Please, prove it to me so I can put this to rest....
Posted by Jenna on :
If he did benefit I would think he would be floating in a pool in the Bahamas somewhere...
Why still here, why hanging around? I don't get it...
Posted by Jenna on :
Wally, I agree with the P&D, you are sorrect...he said that....but he also said it wasn't him...and also said that the SEC has been searching but couldn't find anything....
I think he would have been in jail by now...but that's only my opinion...
Posted by Jenna on :
This is boring me....
Very bored with the same conversations that I've been a witness to over the past 6 months....
I will go back to just posting info....
...and Don't badger me, 'cause I won't take anyone's chit...especially from a man... Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, apparently has no clue how to register, either...
SO...what did that goofy phrase mean?
"Rufus even has your attention"
It's so simple it's stupid so I'll help you....
It means that Rufus has you coming to this thread here (where you are right now) discussing him & his stock & checking this thread...see that means you are paying attention....see Rufus has your attention....You DO NOT have his attention, he IS NOT calling SubpennyRadio talking about Tex from Allstocks....however, you have called SPR talking about Rufus & CSHD right? That's what having attention means....Did that help?
If your asking why I used the word "even" because you have proclaimed that you know which of these pennies are scams...you think this one is one so why bother checking in here every night?? I know you are a moderator but you can check up without commenting, right? You know why you do it?...maybe because this stock is addicting....for everyone....Yes, some may "drink" the Kool-Aid as you say but what is it that you are drinking?
I'm tired so I'm warning you, I'm not very pleasant...
silly,
anybody that pays attention knows I'm a mod...Mr. Harris has his role in this thang... I have mine: namely, to ask the best questions I can think of, and post the best answers I can muster.
Ask around, Jen...
Find anybody on the board who thinks I misled 'em?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: This is boring me....
Very bored with the same conversations that I've been a witness to over the past 6 months....
I will go back to just posting info....
...and Don't badger me, 'cause I won't take anyone's chit...especially from a man...
Jenna,
I think you need to distinquish between posts that question Rufus or other facets and those directed at you.
My post was a general response and not aimed at you. As I stated, I think the Dump was by the Toxic financers and Mike or his wife, maybe through the pressure from those Toxic financers. Since AJW has an offshore arm of their business it maybe be harder if not impossible for the SEC to pin it down. If we ever find out who did perpetrate the Dump, we may be surprised. Rufus did do the pump there is no denying that. I mean buy the crap out of it, the $15 Threshold price reset and the additional bonds that kept comming in all figured in the frenzy that helped the PPS rise to $4.
Heck I wouldn't be surprised to eventually find out that Canaday and Salki(Humanitarian Foundation) made tons of money trading CSHD. Heck the bonds they promised helped it rise and the "LEAKED" Cease and Desist to Timothy Miles and Boyd of the NY Post was very instrumental in the crash of the PPS. They could easily have made a fortune in buying prior to agreeing to give the bonds over and then selling and shorting after leaking the info.
That's just a possibility but I think a logical one.
GLTA Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..Jenna...you are kickin' some butt tonight...!!! Sorry guys..she wins! Posted by T e x on :
really? you think?
usually--not always--you post pretty well.
Well, lol, who posts well alla time?
But seriously, what are you seeing?
Posted by T e x on :
guess that's my "downfall" so to speak...
I don't see this as "winning" or "losing" ...
either we make it as a board, or we don't
ego games just gonna cost people money
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: guess that's my "downfall" so to speak...
I don't see this as "winning" or "losing" ...
either we make it as a board, or we don't
ego games just gonna cost people money
Yep. Ego has cost me a lot of money in the past year or so that I have been a part of allstocks.
Ego has no place in the market. We are all here for the same reason to make money.
It seems that Rufus does play on the Ego portion of things but who knows maybe he is like me well intentioned but just plain wrong most of the time.
Wally
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Jenna,
If I were you, I would quit wasting my time posting posts from Rufus' site on this message board. There are too many ignorant and blind people here who refuse to be optomistic about this stock. Basically, there are two types of people in this stock - Ones who think this is all BS and is over, and ones like you, I, and a few others that BELIEVE and this will work out in our favor. With that said, just stay on Rufus' board and keep the info we receive there to ourselves. There is no need to constantly defend what you bring over here. Let there future curiosity of what is going on/being said kill them.
CLOSE THE KOOL-AID STAND HERE JENNA!!!!!!!!!
Posted by 66inxs on :
that's right - "ego games just gonna cost people money". and some of us are doing stocks to try and make money!! time has a way of seperating the wheat from the chafe(sic) and the bottom line is "did we make money on this?" i believe that there is still a cluster of good traders on this board and that we should avoid "getting swept up in the drama" and deviating from the trading practices that have made some of us pretty good money. when we post stuff on another board like:
"Any of you Allstockers out there? I need some back up on there....I'm bringing Mr. Harris' info over there & the loyal shareholders over there like it but then I get a few every night who try to fight with me.....
Tex is at it again, putting down RPH, there is a little buddy of his there too....
I'm doing real well fighting them off but it's just getting to the point where I'm sooo done with these fools...."
it tends to make some of us stop and think about the merits of participating in these board discussions. i guess this makes me a "fool" too as i have always appreciated what Tex, Wallymac, Frank, Repo and other have brought to this board. imho some of this is just over the top. cshd has taught me a lot about the market and how it works and those of us who have read 1000's of pages of posts on it have sure got a good education from it.
p.s. sorry about the rant!!
Posted by bilgert on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Jenna,
If I were you, I would quit wasting my time posting posts from Rufus' site on this message board. There are too many ignorant and blind people here who refuse to be optomistic about this stock. Basically, there are two types of people in this stock - Ones who think this is all BS and is over, and ones like you, I, and a few others that BELIEVE and this will work out in our favor. With that said, just stay on Rufus' board and keep the info we receive there to ourselves. There is no need to constantly defend what you bring over here. Let there future curiosity of what is going on/being said kill them.
CLOSE THE KOOL-AID STAND HERE JENNA!!!!!!!!!
Jenna and stock- no one is saying that they don't appreciate what Jenna is doing here, and I can respect your optimism- but in turn, I think you should also be able to engage in some constructive (and critical) dialogue without taking any of it personally. After all, optimism tempered without reason is foolhardy. (e.g. I am optimistic the Red Sox win the AL East, but if Schilling goes on the disabled list, all bets are off.)
There wouldn't be any need for this wild speculation about Rufus' objectives and what happens next with the SEC if he would just be more transparent, more clear in his language and less concerned about being 'cute'(i.e. keep on subject about the company and stop talking about the damn horses- that just strikes me as unprofessional)
Wally and Tex make some valid points, about the P&D nature of this play- and regardless whether you believe that Rufus was an active participant in its instrumentation, his reckless behavior have certainly helped people reap some rewards- people besides the exhalted Longs.
Sadly, any 'settlement' with the SEC IMO will result in major concessions from the Company, perhaps the ousting of Rufus, and a company that trades on the grays indefintely. Sorry, but there's very little precedence for anything muchbetter than that.
For those of you choose to 'believe', good luck- I wish the very best
Posted by milliam on :
I too agree that this is a PnD to some point. I do see AJW as being the main dumpers, but Mike's wife also dumped shares...that's a fact that's on a SEC filing.
The thing that gets me is the SEC's head attorney's sitting in court discussing the PnD scenario trying to figure out the dump. They even talked about Mike's wife dumping shares. She had already done it, but they couldn't figure it out. Maybe because the filing wasn't done? I would think they would be pretty ticked that some of the dumping they were looking for, and expected from her, had been done but not filed. Why didn't they get her and Mike for illegal trading when the filing was finally made?
Posted by milliam on :
Tex, its pretty apparent that you feel this is a scam. I understand you're trying to keep us safe and maybe that's your job as a mod. I don't think you can definitely say one way or another what the outcome of this will be. I do agree that it seems far-fetched that this will work out, but some of us feel that it will. Do you believe that NSS is an issue in the markets? Do you think there is a way to stop it?
I think the main problem with this stock is the conspiracy situation it is in. I think lots of people don't want to believe that the gov. can be so corrupt. I agree that it is hard to believe that RPH is the type of man to take on this corruption, but then again, a simple, straightforward person would be the best bet for that. I feel that he's someone you can trust because he seems to stand up for what he feels is right. I don't see him as someone that can be bought off.
The other part of the story is that this stock is in a situation where RPH could easily take advantage of everyone's fear of NSS as well as the unknown of what's going on. He could easily just say that the NSS have too much money to beat and that they’ve bought off everyone. He could also take advantage of the great bunch of people who are his supporters. I guess you could call it gullible, or maybe we just have faith. He could easily just quit posting and move off and there would be enough people saying he was killed to shut him up or something like that. He could also use his family's safety as an out. I don't think any of his supporters would disagree that his family should come first. He has some great people as his supporters.
There’s no doubt some people got in over their heads. I hope it works out for them for the best. I have a modest amount invested here, so I’ll be fine either way. Unfortunately I invested a bit more (not crazy amounts) in QBID and took it hook, line, and sinker. I was new to this stuff and dreamed big. In that case, the company was diluting the crap out of the stock and some pointed that out, but most (like me) didn't listen. I’d say that lesson kept me from over investing in CSHD. I can’t see how CSHD has diluted the stock. It would be interesting to know what the authorized share count is. There’s no doubt in my mind that AJW has flooded the market with shares, but were those shares authorized and if so, by who?
Posted by new2stocks on :
Yesterday at 11:37pm, jenna wrote:Any of you Allstockers out there? I need some back up on there....I'm bringing Mr. Harris' info over there & the loyal shareholders over there like it but then I get a few every night who try to fight with me.....
Tex is at it again, putting down RPH, there is a little buddy of his there too....
I'm doing real well fighting them off but it's just getting to the point where I'm sooo done with these fools....
jenna...not all of us follow Rufus as you do. Bringing info over here is fine...but don't insult people for having a different opinion than yours. Posted by 10of13 on :
What was I seeing? jenna holding her own and attempting to bring some stuff that she thinks was important...and then answering everyone's questions that were here asking...seemed like she was "winning" without getting frustrated...
BUT Jenna? I am surprised at the posts that you made over on the other board... It's one thing to have "hope" that things will turn out "OK"...it's another to completely close your eyes to ANY other possibility and then to call others "fools" for not seeing the "golden" egg" the way you do?
quote:Originally posted by T e x: really? you think?
usually--not always--you post pretty well.
Well, lol, who posts well alla time?
But seriously, what are you seeing?
Posted by 66inxs on :
new2stocks, as you know this situation is not unique to allstocks. posters and mods on most of the boards have gone to great lengths to shut down any opposing views and that discourages people from posting. i may not always agree with someone but i will read and consider their posts. tex just tries to keep it real and focused on the facts imho. there is no way to make an intelligent decision about anything without considering botth sides. thanks for your imput.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Well we will see Tex....
By the way what wasn't worded well??? Here we go condesending again.....
Do you feel smart Tex??? Are you smarter than a 5th grader??? LOL...
bingo boingo...
Jen, you posted:
quote:Rufus even has your attention
Even allowing your tortured syntax, the message seems to be that even Rufus has noticed me and my posts.
Given that you attempted to have him --or some agent -- come to the board several nights ago in an attempt to debate or chat or whatever... I *think* I'm safe to assume that Rufus has at least thought about engaging me in debate or chit-chat or some sort of dialog...
????
yes? no?
Posted by glassman on :
posters and mods on most of the boards have gone to great lengths to shut down any opposing views and that discourages people from posting.
that is what we try NOT to do here...
it's not correct to go after Tex jus' cuz he is a mod...
mods have opinions too.. it is abuse of their censorship power that would be wrong.
Posted by 66inxs on :
hi glassman. couldn't agree with you more. that's why some of us keep coming back. the emphasis on that should be on the posters and not the mods. that comment on tex just plain got to me.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, apparently has no clue how to register, either...
SO...what did that goofy phrase mean?
"Rufus even has your attention"
You called SPR yourself Tex....right in the middle of a hoedown it sounded like (lots of hootin' and hollerin' in the background). Sorry for my presumption but why bother to call SPR when Simon was waiting on Rufus when you seemed to have more important things going on at home...things that were truly your business. You dont even own shares heh. I think its safe for Jenna, and anyone else, to assume SOMEONE has your attention and since Rufus is running the show maybe she just put 2 and 2 together eh?
And Jenna asked him to come here and maybe open a debate with you because you seem interested....which IMO is accurate. He certainly was not making efforts to come chat with the famous Tex, that I can assure you. If I recall, back when Rufus was posting on I-hub and HSM "someone" posted that he better not come here with that garbage (paraphrasing there) and whomever that someone was probably (IMO) blocked his attempt. This is strictly a guess but if he was having trouble signing in I wonder how accurate my guess is.
This type of banter really only leads to less and less posters here on Allstocks IMO. Where does most of the the money come from here at AS? Advertisements? I wonder what the banter does to the business bottom line.
What you REALLY should be doing if you are so interested in busting the crooks is going over the posters that have been here since June 06 (myself included, known yourself out)...log info, IP's..etc. You just might find yourself a couple of money hungry criminals if you look deep enough. Let me give you a hint....November 2005 to June 2006.
'nuff said
Posted by Jenna on :
I really could care less about that you people brought over my posts from the other site....It's how I felt at the time....
I'm trying to help people out that don't have time to go there & if you read what was happening here last night I was just defending myself....If you don't like it, I guess you are on your own....
I called them fools because they are acting like fools...saying things with no proof...that's a fool...
New2- I wasn't insulting people for having a different opinion, where do you get that from???
I was insulting people after I had been insulted..
I wish you all good luck with this stock & all your others....
& Wally, I never thought that your post was directed at me...I agreed with you...
Almost everyone here has been insulted by Tex...People have Pm'ed me, & email me, & his name has come up about how he treats people, I decided not to put up with it last night...I WILL NOT APOLOGIZE FOR THAT.....
It's nice to know who are your true friends & who aren't....
Thanks for revealing yourselves....
Once again, Good Luck....
Posted by glassman on :
If I recall, back when Rufus was posting on I-hub and HSM "someone" posted that he better not come here with that garbage (paraphrasing there) and whomever that someone was probably (IMO) blocked his attempt. This is strictly a guess but if he was having trouble signing in I wonder how accurate my guess is.
that would have been me:
as far as i know? no attempts by Rufus were made, and none were blocked... but i don't know everything
and i have (always) been (more or less) a "defender" of longs in this play
i have followed this play, and played, since it was about 1$...
i do not like CEO's posting on bulletin boards. any of 'em
why? because it is not a legally recognised forum for sharing "insider" information.. that forum is the "formal press" or thru SEC filings...
whether or not an insider shares inside information is not the point either, it's UNprofessional, and in the peeny market? we expect some unprofessionalism, as co's (hopefully, just like all people) become more professional thru growth, but it seriously undermines credibility IMO...
i believe in free speech, but a CEO has a responsibility to the Co. and hte shareholders...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Glassman comes clean!!!
I agree with your comments Glass. I believe I strongheartedly agreed that RPH should not be posting on the boards. But, if he REALLY was having trouble signing in over here then it makes me wonder.
Someone posted earlier that the mods are here to protect the shareholders. I dont have the mod handbook but i hope thats not the case. We've got enough help already with the SEC.
But seriously, I believe the mods are here to support and police the TOS. Yes? I feel for the most part that is being handled well here.
Posted by glassman on :
i think of posting this way:
if it's on the bulletin board? it's a rumor no matter who posts...
(buy on rumor sell on news? )
if it's in a PR? it's STILL a rumor...
but it's news, SELL.
if it's it's in an SEC filing? it's FACT, and it holds the weight of a sworn statement... can it be a lie? sure, but there's a legal liability for the filer. it's the same in politics. if somebody lies? they lied (the only liability is loss of face if that ) , if they lie under OATH? they are a criminal... and deserve the weight of justice...
so? why don't we try not to let our ego's get bruised over rumors? because we all KNOW that's what we are sharing with each other...
Posted by glassman on :
Someone posted earlier that the mods are here to protect the shareholders. I dont have the mod handbook but i hope thats not the case. We've got enough help already with the SEC. [Smile]
i am NOT QUALIFIED to protect you guys any more than the SEC is
and? they are doing a CRAPPY job IMO.
Posted by new2stocks on :
"I really could care less about that you people brought over my posts from the other site....It's how I felt at the time...."
"You people"? I think it was just me.....
jenna~ I'm not trying to start an arguement with you, I simply don't like the insults and the name calling that goes on when someone doesn't agree with others that are pro Rufus. It happens everywhere. I also feel that if one doesn't own shares their opionions should not be unwelcomed. That's what the boards are for....for discussions and opinions. I like hearing all sides to this whole mess and that is why I try to read ALL the boards. I don't feel anyone "revealed" themselves to you as not being your friend.
And no I didn't read all of last night's posts...I don't spend every waking moment reading the boards.
With my experience at pro boards, if you make a statement that questions Rufus in the slightest, you are labeled a basher and you get smited. If you kiss butt and post on the first page, you get karma. I would much rather post on a board where one is free to post their feelings and opinions without getting insulted or honored.
IMO
~new2
Posted by 66inxs on :
great morning on allstocks. this is the way it used to be. props to jenna for helping to start meaningful dialogue again. sec filings are facts under oath but all of us need to respect each others opinions too. none of us know for sure how this is going to turn out!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
http://www.stock watch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-698217-U:CSHD&symbol=CSHD&news_r egion=U
Posted by 10of13 on :
Interesting that they would give out so much information and actual details????
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Interesting that they would give out so much information and actual details????
It's all public information....I wonder if Lee Webb interviewed that lady from the animal control office.....??
I tried looking in the Bartow Blotter, but couldn't find anything.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Here is the phone number for the Bartow County Animal Control office 770-387-5153....can anyone call and confirm the story about Rufus' horses?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
New2....there ARE some silly things taking place at that other board huh. I couldnt agree with you more, its nice to follow what i can over there but you are right, if you have a negative comment you probably should keep it to yourself over there. Posted by 10of13 on :
So RPH's site is loosing pages? And no one is able to post that webb article over there?
Posted by Upside on :
Posted by T e x:
quote:Ask around, Jen...
Find anybody on the board who thinks I misled 'em?
Me. You told me last year to buy a Ranger or Triton when I could have bought an equivalent Skeeter for 20 grand less. Posted by Chart walker on :
Hey Peeps!!
WTH? A bomb go off in here?... lol ~
This is what makes penny stocks fun,... And also why I DON'T screw with them anymore!! lol ~
Peace all! "Green" days to you all
Chart ~
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: So RPH's site is loosing pages? And no one is able to post that webb article over there?
I guess someone tried and got all their karma taken away.... awww Posted by 10of13 on :
Read that new2...i guess instead of writing "able" I should have written "allowed"...LOL
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: Hey Peeps!!
WTH? A bomb go off in here?... lol ~
This is what makes penny stocks fun,... And also why I DON'T screw with them anymore!! lol ~
Peace all! "Green" days to you all
Chart ~
Hey chart! Nice to see you! Posted by 10of13 on :
Wow Chart????!!!...long time...hope all is well....!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Originally Posted by wsshaker I just called the Bartow County Animal Control office, and asked for Ms. Elrod. She was out of the office but will be back at 2:30pm. I'm going to try back then. I'll let you all know what I find out.
Posted by Chart walker on :
Hi 10, new2
Yep... "Getting better everyday!!!"
Yeeeeehawwww ~~ -unless you're holding a bunch of CSHD stock that is...
Then you're doing this ~
"By their fruits you will know them..."
Hope all is well with everyone here Health & Peace!
Chart ~
Posted by new2stocks on :
posted by hemmi
New update...Take it for what its worth....Direct comment by Deb Elrod 5 min ago!
she said that somebody witnessed this abuse , that 2 horses died in bartow , he then moved some of the horses to Gordon co and one died there,some were hurt in tow to there and 2 foals died also so she said 5 total died in this process they were on 3 acres of no grass and starvation was the count Debbie Elrod just said she said she did not comment to stock watch
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Tex, its pretty apparent that you feel this is a scam. I understand you're trying to keep us safe and maybe that's your job as a mod. I don't think you can definitely say one way or another what the outcome of this will be. I do agree that it seems far-fetched that this will work out, but some of us feel that it will. Do you believe that NSS is an issue in the markets? Do you think there is a way to stop it?
I think the main problem with this stock is the conspiracy situation it is in. I think lots of people don't want to believe that the gov. can be so corrupt. I agree that it is hard to believe that RPH is the type of man to take on this corruption, but then again, a simple, straightforward person would be the best bet for that. I feel that he's someone you can trust because he seems to stand up for what he feels is right. I don't see him as someone that can be bought off.
The other part of the story is that this stock is in a situation where RPH could easily take advantage of everyone's fear of NSS as well as the unknown of what's going on. He could easily just say that the NSS have too much money to beat and that they’ve bought off everyone. He could also take advantage of the great bunch of people who are his supporters. I guess you could call it gullible, or maybe we just have faith. He could easily just quit posting and move off and there would be enough people saying he was killed to shut him up or something like that. He could also use his family's safety as an out. I don't think any of his supporters would disagree that his family should come first. He has some great people as his supporters.
There’s no doubt some people got in over their heads. I hope it works out for them for the best. I have a modest amount invested here, so I’ll be fine either way. Unfortunately I invested a bit more (not crazy amounts) in QBID and took it hook, line, and sinker. I was new to this stuff and dreamed big. In that case, the company was diluting the crap out of the stock and some pointed that out, but most (like me) didn't listen. I’d say that lesson kept me from over investing in CSHD. I can’t see how CSHD has diluted the stock. It would be interesting to know what the authorized share count is. There’s no doubt in my mind that AJW has flooded the market with shares, but were those shares authorized and if so, by who?
Nice post Milliam....
If half of the politicians in this country had the cajones of RPH, naked short selling would not exist.
I respect RPH for attempting to clean up what should have been cleaned up by the SEC and FBI long ago.
More power to him IMO.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: posted by hemmi
New update...Take it for what its worth....Direct comment by Deb Elrod 5 min ago!
she said that somebody witnessed this abuse , that 2 horses died in bartow , he then moved some of the horses to Gordon co and one died there,some were hurt in tow to there and 2 foals died also so she said 5 total died in this process they were on 3 acres of no grass and starvation was the count Debbie Elrod just said she said she did not comment to stock watch
Jeez maybe he should switch to breeding gerbals.....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well, my days are pretty much numbered over at Pro boards. The bully mentality there has gotten much too heavy.....deleting the article by Webb and smiting the guy for doing it is an example.
I have tried to post with some reason and its already hinted that I too am now a basher. Very interesting and cool stuff....things that make you go HMMMM
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Well, my days are pretty much numbered over at Pro boards. The bully mentality there has gotten much too heavy.....deleting the article by Webb and smiting the guy for doing it is an example.
I have tried to post with some reason and its already hinted that I too am now a basher. Very interesting and cool stuff....things that make you go HMMMM
Yes I see that! Nice try though!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
If half of the politicians in this country had the cajones of RPH, naked short selling would not exist.
I respect RPH for attempting to clean up what should have been cleaned up by the SEC and FBI long ago.
More power to him IMO.
here's the problem (as i see it):
i agree (absolutely) that we have some serious problems in the market.
we still don't know who is doing what, but we know who isn't enforcing the law, or if the law is being followed to the letter, but being perverted by whoever is doing it .
when people like Rufus become "stars" it HURTS our case in the long run becuase it really is hard to believe much of what he says...
what i saw in this play was alot of really bad behaviour by alot of people.... and Rufus is not innocent, he is probably a victim too, but he has mis-handled almost everything that has come "his way"
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Well, my days are pretty much numbered over at Pro boards. The bully mentality there has gotten much too heavy.....deleting the article by Webb and smiting the guy for doing it is an example.
I have tried to post with some reason and its already hinted that I too am now a basher. Very interesting and cool stuff....things that make you go HMMMM
Yes I see that! Nice try though!
Ive done the same thing here, attacked people that come off as bashers. Im certainly not innocent....I just felt the need to "speak up" and now I know who the sensitive people are at that site lol
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Well, my days are pretty much numbered over at Pro boards. The bully mentality there has gotten much too heavy.....deleting the article by Webb and smiting the guy for doing it is an example.
I have tried to post with some reason and its already hinted that I too am now a basher. Very interesting and cool stuff....things that make you go HMMMM
Yes I see that! Nice try though!
Ive done the same thing here, attacked people that come off as bashers. Im certainly not innocent....I just felt the need to "speak up" and now I know who the sensitive people are at that site lol
I stopped posting there for that reason! I was accused of being a basher when all I had was questions...oh well.
Posted by new2stocks on :
update by wsshaker
I finally got through to the Bartow County Animal Control, and spoke to Ms. Elrod. The quotes are true, as Ms. Elrod did speak to Lee Webb. To the best of her knowledge there were two foals, both of which have passed. Very upsetting if contest continues under these circumstances, and it does not sit well with me.
Posted by TimW on :
I'll keep my mouth shut for a day or two, just remember.
Posted by GreenDay on :
Finally in the sub penny's - YUK! My certs are signed by JA - I was trying to figure out what Rufus was saying about that. I get the explaination that they are AIR. But what about being signed by TUT? At these prices I guess it doesn't matter.
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL/ What does that mean...you'll keep your mouth shut...just remember?
quote:Originally posted by TimW:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Anyone ever see this?
I'll keep my mouth shut for a day or two, just remember.
I see that "Unbridled Desire" is no longer listed there. He mentioned he lost one of his "best" stallions and im guessing Sixto and UD were his best so im wondering if UD was the stallion that died. I believe (through some boring DD) that he bought those stallions sometime around January 06. Im not sure how much he studded those guys out but this loss probably damaged his income heavily.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Cat If these charges are true RPH won't get any of his horses back.
What is confusing to me is the time that these horses died...the AC claims that they got a court order to go onto the property and feed the horses...that they were going 2x a day...for 2 weeks? well if that was the case? how come these horses are dieing now?
It was said that that RPH moved them...and that 2 (I think) died in the move? I really don't get it...
Posted by 10of13 on :
OK..maybe I am reading it wrong...and the horses died BEFORE the AC people were involved...it isn't clear to me...but in that webb article..it states that 17 horses were on his 3 acres...and earlier on it states that he gave one away and moved 2 to a diferent county...plus the 3 adults that died...yet they have him on 16 counts of animal cruelty...how many horses did the guy have?
"We actually went to his property for two weeks, twice a day, feeding and watering them seven days a week; and then once we found a place to take them to, we removed them from the property," the Bartow animal control director says.
Ms. Elrod says that there was not any stable or similar structure on the property where Mr. Harris was keeping his starving horses.
"It was a fenced-in area that was maybe two to three acres, if it was that -- maybe not that big -- but with 17 horses on it, gnawing at it, they were already down to the dirt," Ms. Elrod told **********.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
10, the whole story stinks and im waiting on legal docs to say which way or the other. The comments at the "other board" insinuating that now even animal control is part of "The Evil Organization" is lame at best. Rufus is hurting himself by having that message board up.....or is using it for some other reason.
Posted by glassman on :
it don't add up do it?
nobody in their right mind keeps more than 2 horses on 3 acres.... even if you are feeding? that in and of itself would be borderline cruelty IMO...
and the only reason i would consider having two on three acres is cuz horses don't like to be alone....
in optimum grazing conditions? you should have MIN. 2 acres per horse..
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
I sincerely hope we have something very concrete (regarding our legal situation) before any type of shareolder vote or some other nonsense occurs. I cant even tell you how much it would totally suck if we found ourselves in a vote after the crazy stuff that has been transpiring recently.
So far ive seen nothing concrete from either side (Rufus / SEC,bad guys,whatever) so IMO there has been noting but a plethora of ineptitude from the groups involved in this company...and its potential demise. No matter who was right or wrong here, IMO they both screwed the pooch dry.
Posted by new2stocks on :
jenna if you want to know what my response post meant, just ask me. Why take it somewhere else to get an opinion?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: jenna if you want to know what my response post meant, just ask me. Why take it somewhere else to get an opinion?
Im pretty sure she was referring to TimW's response.
Dont let the heat from over there get to ya!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: jenna if you want to know what my response post meant, just ask me. Why take it somewhere else to get an opinion?
Im pretty sure she was referring to TimW's response.
Dont let the heat from over there get to ya!
haha ok, ya just never know with all that's going on!
Posted by milliam on :
Very interesting thoughts there 10. I think you might just have something there. I've really been looking for something to make me believe Rufus and not everyone else, but it is pretty hard. Faith alone is getting hard to pull me through this. Like Catman...I don't really see anyone proving anything here one way or the other. I'm getting back to the feelings that I just want the court to figure this thing out!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: jenna if you want to know what my response post meant, just ask me. Why take it somewhere else to get an opinion?
First of all, what's your sudden problem with me? You still got my number?? Call me...we can discuss it....& I thougth it was ok to bring posts back & forth....what's wrong?
Second of all, I was asking about why TIM would respond like that? He said something about "being quiet for a couple days" THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....
SEE, you jumped the gun quick again girl....
Not talking about you....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: jenna if you want to know what my response post meant, just ask me. Why take it somewhere else to get an opinion?
If you were paying attention... you would see I BOLDED his statement..... Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: jenna if you want to know what my response post meant, just ask me. Why take it somewhere else to get an opinion?
First of all, what's your sudden problem with me? You still got my number?? Call me...we can discuss it....& I thougth it was ok to bring posts back & forth....what's wrong?
Second of all, I was asking about why TIM would respond like that? He said something about "being quiet for a couple days" THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT....
SEE, you jumped the gun quick again girl....
Not talking about you....
I don't have any problems with you and no, I don't have your number anymore. WIth all the attacking that's going on in here and pro boards one gets a little jumpy! Sorry jenna....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: jenna if you want to know what my response post meant, just ask me. Why take it somewhere else to get an opinion?
If you were paying attention... you would see I BOLDED his statement.....
hmm...just went back and checked that post.I don't see bold....but whatever. No harm done.
Posted by Jenna on :
Just wanted you to see....It is bolded....now I will drop it...apology accepted....
Topic: Tuesday, June 12th Bring the pasta strainer (Read 10,589 times) jenna Long
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Look at this exchange of words between these 2 posters...from another board....What do you think this is all about?
I'll keep my mouth shut for a day or two, just remember. Posted by Jenna on :
Tim, I PM'ed you to ask you what you meant but you haven't answered yet, so I wanted to get some opinions.....sorry if it offend you that I brought it over to Rufus' site without you knowing....
Posted by new2stocks on :
ahh ok I see...I thought it was part or your sig!
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: it don't add up do it?
nobody in their right mind keeps more than 2 horses on 3 acres.... even if you are feeding? that in and of itself would be borderline cruelty IMO...
and the only reason i would consider having two on three acres is cuz horses don't like to be alone....
in optimum grazing conditions? you should have MIN. 2 acres per horse..
The one scenario from James Gee is that Rufus lost the ranch because he couldn't make the payments and had to take the horses to his house. This does kind of fit in with most of the story. There was also some talk about him giving at least one of the horses away. Sounds really weird. Why would a breeder give a horse away? Maybe it wasn't one of the good ones. Oh well...crazy stuff as always.
Like sands through an hourglass....
Posted by 10of13 on :
Honestly? We know that RPH was leasing the "ranch"...to keep the horses that he really hasn't had for very long...OK..now The lease is up...perhpas RPH simply didn't have the $ for the lease...wasn't sure where to put them...there was already a complaint on the care of the horses...the AC was out there...and now comes time for RPH to move the horses...well...if I remember his place correctly...it sure as heck isn't big enough for 1 or 2 horses...let alone how ever many he did have...so yeah..my guess is that they were removed from RPH and he would be charged with animal cruelty... The starving thing with the AC supposedly going out 2x a day for 2 weeks wouldn't make sense...it must have been the move... BUT RPH seems to be twisting it into a conspiracy...and maybe that is what he thinks..or maybe...It was a big bad guy that first reported hime when there was no reason to...heck i don't know...IMO
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Very interesting thoughts there 10. I think you might just have something there. I've really been looking for something to make me believe Rufus and not everyone else, but it is pretty hard. Faith alone is getting hard to pull me through this. Like Catman...I don't really see anyone proving anything here one way or the other. I'm getting back to the feelings that I just want the court to figure this thing out!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: ahh ok I see...I thought it was part or your sig!
My siggy?? LOL!!!...NO, me keep my mouth shut? LOL.. Posted by 10of13 on :
milliam...when you went to the ranch for the BBQ....how many horses were there?
Posted by 10of13 on :
What is this "dinner" that RPH is going to? the one that he claims is the same time as him having to be in court for a leash law...and claims that it is a conspiracy?
i really am not "bashing"...I know my posts "sound" like it...but they are simply questions and to be honest...i am filled to the rim with the conspiracy stuff...
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: What is this "dinner" that RPH is going to? the one that he claims is the same time as him having to be in court for a leash law...and claims that it is a conspiracy?
i really am not "bashing"...I know my posts "sound" like it...but they are simply questions and to be honest...i am filled to the rim with the conspiracy stuff...
10, I understand you totally! I question the same things myself. Everything seems to be a conspiracy to him. I guess I just don't see it. Plus how on earth would a leash law violation have anything to do with the outcome of CSHD??
Posted by 10of13 on :
Well new2..if he has to go to court for a leash law Violation...he CAN't possibly go to a dinner in DC..now can he? It's all the bad guys scheduling the stuff..ya know... They don't want him rubbing elbows with the "higher ups"...LOL..And how the hell did he get an invitaion for that anyways? LOL
(New 2 my sarcasim is not towards you)
Posted by 10of13 on :
OT;(or should I say off board) jenna? that walmart calling comment? kinda not nice...IMO
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Well new2..if he has to go to court for a leash law Violation...he CAN't possibly go to a dinner in DC..now can he? It's all the bad guys scheduling the stuff..ya know... They don't want him rubbing elbows with the "higher ups"...LOL..And how the hell did he get an invitaion for that anyways? LOL
(New 2 my sarcasim is not towards you)
To get invited to a diner either he is friends with a member or he is a member.
I know I have probably sounded like a basher over the last couple of months but I don't believe it is bashing. As long as there is a basis for a question or comment instead of it being a complete fabrication how can it be called bashing. the same goes for pumping.
IMO, the biggest problem in the complete lack of transparency and the promises that have failed to materialize. When you couple that frustration with the whole conspiracy theory it just becomes a bit much. I don't want to delve into the conspiracy too much but let me point out what doesn't make sense. Ok so his has to go to court for a lease law violation. Get there first thing in the morning, take care of business and hop on a short flight from Georgia to DC. It's less than a 2 Hour flight.
Maybe I'm just looking at this in to simple a manner but it's just how I would handle the inconvience.
On second thought, I'm tired of hearing about horses and dogs from Rufus when this should be about the stock period. The last episode with the Dogs and Rufus stating it was an attack on him and his family because of what he was doing just ranckled me. Be cause it turned out to be a neighbor who was protecting his own animals.
Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: OT;(or should I say off board) jenna? that walmart calling comment? kinda not nice...IMO
I'm a Christian & took offense to what he said...was that ok???
Posted by Jenna on :
From Norpenny talking to ALL:
You really are joking right? Are you now a conspiracy theorist? Wow, are you now going to take another look at what happened on 9/11?
You right wing christians. What arrogance. Can't admit you were juked out of your money.
*************************************************
10, & you were worried about me telling him WalMart called him....WOW....Are you going to go on the other board & tell him that his post wasn't nice??.... or just me.......'cause what I said was MUCH worse...RIGHT?
Posted by T e x on :
wow...got some catching up to do...
lol, 10--Jenna still "winning" ?
seriously, I see some questions/comments addressed to me, so will attempt to answer in order received...
Posted by T e x on :
frank posts: "Tex I hear what you are saying but if CSHD is a pump and dump I would suggest firing the current folks at the helm of this debaccle....the PPS speaks volumes."
frank, I don't know who knows "the current folks at the helm of this debaccle..." According to PRs filed under company name, Arlett (sp?) resigned as CEO, and according to company bylaws the BOD must appoint a new one, but if that has happened I'm not aware of it. Have also seen some speculation that RPH was *never* legally removed--but if that is true, I would think a clarification could have been issued by now.
[ June 13, 2007, 02:48: Message edited by: T e x ]
Posted by 10of13 on :
i responded to your pm...feel free to read it...and yes..i am a christian also...but hey what if i told you I WORK AT WALMART? would you feel bad?
and no i don't...the point is it wasn't a slam to the guy you were posting to...it was a slam to WALMART workers... Take a chill pill Jenna...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: OT;(or should I say off board) jenna? that walmart calling comment? kinda not nice...IMO
I'm a Christian & took offense to what he said...was that ok???
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: that's right - "ego games just gonna cost people money". and some of us are doing stocks to try and make money!! time has a way of seperating the wheat from the chafe(sic) and the bottom line is "did we make money on this?" i believe that there is still a cluster of good traders on this board and that we should avoid "getting swept up in the drama" and deviating from the trading practices that have made some of us pretty good money. when we post stuff on another board like:
"Any of you Allstockers out there? I need some back up on there....I'm bringing Mr. Harris' info over there & the loyal shareholders over there like it but then I get a few every night who try to fight with me.....
Tex is at it again, putting down RPH, there is a little buddy of his there too....
I'm doing real well fighting them off but it's just getting to the point where I'm sooo done with these fools...."
it tends to make some of us stop and think about the merits of participating in these board discussions. i guess this makes me a "fool" too as i have always appreciated what Tex, Wallymac, Frank, Repo and other have brought to this board. imho some of this is just over the top. cshd has taught me a lot about the market and how it works and those of us who have read 1000's of pages of posts on it have sure got a good education from it.
p.s. sorry about the rant!!
lol, who was posting for "help"?
Wonder who my "little buddy" is?
Posted by 10of13 on :
No Tex...I guess jenna isn't winning... she got frustrated...but i am sure she will get some sleep and wake up to see things in a different light...maybe...
Going to bed now...enough drama for today...Sleep well all...
Posted by T e x on :
Hey, 10...was just kiddin' back... *does* seem like tempers kinda short, though, these days...
am just going through the thread to answer some folks...
good night
Posted by T e x on :
Mr. CE posts: "You called SPR yourself Tex....right in the middle of a hoedown it sounded like (lots of hootin' and hollerin' in the background). Sorry for my presumption but why bother to call SPR when Simon was waiting on Rufus when you seemed to have more important things going on at home...things that were truly your business. You dont even own shares heh. I think its safe for Jenna, and anyone else, to assume SOMEONE has your attention and since Rufus is running the show maybe she just put 2 and 2 together eh?"
yoiks, Mr. CE...have been on SPR many times, first after hearing my nick had been mentioned there. Has been a pleasant experience...sometimes I just call, sometimes I'm invited/asked to clarify something. However, I believe you're referring to the night I *got* called... as I remember, we've even discussed this, you and I...is on this thread, I *think.* Maybe not...lol, there's so many threads, now...
the "hoedown" you mention, if that was the night, was my son and his friends in another room watching a ball game... "things truly" my business include all topics related to trading. As I've posted before, I follow lottsa stuff, but am drawn to "geek plays" because of the opportunity to learn so much in a compressed amount of time. For instance, I would've been answering here sooner tonight but i was following an interesting exchange elsewhere between board members and the BHUB CEO... I "cut my teeth" so to speak on GLUV/GVRP/MAMG/PEDG--which is when I coined the term geek play.
And no, it's not RPH so much that "has my attention" re CSHD, but whomever/whatever is current or interesting about the play itself...for example, if Mike Alexander "pops up" with new stuff? I'm interested... make sense?
[ June 13, 2007, 02:50: Message edited by: T e x ]
Posted by T e x on :
Milliam posts: Tex, its pretty apparent that you feel this is a scam. I understand you're trying to keep us safe and maybe that's your job as a mod. I don't think you can definitely say one way or another what the outcome of this will be. I do agree that it seems far-fetched that this will work out, but some of us feel that it will. Do you believe that NSS is an issue in the markets? Do you think there is a way to stop it?
"keep us safe" .......hmmmm? well, gosh, how to answer that? ya, is true, I've busted a bunch of attempts to rope newbies into frontloaded, group gropes. But, truth be told, *most* of that happened before I became a mod... and...I was not alone... A few other members who helped back then are still active, some are not. Otherwise, I've *helped* expose just plain, out-n-out fakery & lies. But again, that's just me... As a member here, I believe that's a "civic duty," if you will... To me a mod's main role is just that, moderate and modulate. For example, what might be "acceptable" on Off-Topics, clearly has no place in stock threads... What might be acceptable after-hours or during weekends in a stock thread is *not* acceptable during trading. On the other hand, one thread seems to "put up with" distractions while another thread is "all business" and raises billy-hell about distractions. I think we can agree it is *very* subjective. All I can say is I really try to give ample, repeated notice before I act as a mod...sometimes that's not possible--or even necessary: eg, "spam" simply gets reported then deleted.
re definitely how this will "work out"... wow, no one knows the future. Logic dictates a bleak outlook, however. For one, simple example, Mr. Catia Engineer posted about a recent SPR show; as I recall, that was the same show in which RPH said he involved an attorney for his personal response but would not do so for the company response because attorneys would "just muck it up." I trust you see the inherent contradiction.
re NSS: I think naked shorting is despicable. I understand MMs need to do a certain amount in order to fill trades in a timely manner. But somewhere, somehow there *must* be better controls on keeping records. For anyone -- ANY ONE -- else to be able to naked short is just wrong. As far as stopping it, I would remove brokers'/broker-dealers' ability to mark a transaction as anything other than what it is.
Now, it's also an "easy out" for a less-than-honest company to blame NSS for their woes. We see that all over the place...
The other aspect to stopping it is to realize the "system" has not adjusted to mom n pop, online trading. Basically, we "joe retail" traders need a dam fine lobbyist...the quicker, the better.
Posted by T e x on :
edited some posts for reading clarity, by adding the bold...
If I missed anybody, please repost or PM...
best,
tex
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well, I spent my last 40 bucks on this "gamble" and today im holding my cert. I have both stamps and of course Arlitts signature. The cert includes all of my pre 10/16 shares as well as a few grey sheet shares (a test so to speak).
My shares are 1 year old on Friday by the way.....what a memorable anniversary!
Posted by 10of13 on :
yeah...what is with that? must be the hot temps? LOL
have a good day Tex!
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Hey, 10...was just kiddin' back... *does* seem like tempers kinda short, though, these days...
am just going through the thread to answer some folks...
good night
Posted by milliam on :
Anyone know who Sam is that Rufus refers to in his answer to Lee Webb? Sir,
You and Sam are out of line here. My horses have nothing to do with the shaereholders or CSHD. You better beleve my attorney will be contacting you about your article and smear campain! How much is Sam paying you for your daily articles? Yes Sam! I'm on to you to! You better hope your shorts are covered and I think you know what I mean!
Godspeed
Posted by Rufus Paul Harris * 2007-06-12 20:40
Posted by 10of13 on :
Milliam? Did you see my earlier post about asking you how many horses were at the ranch when you went to the BBQ?
And no I don't know who Sam is...
Posted by milliam on :
10, I didn't count horses, but I'm pretty sure there were about 6 in the stable we were in. I think I remember seeing at least 4 or so in the pasture. Mind you I couldn't see the whole pasture due to the hills. There was another set of stables as well that I didn't go to. From what I could tell, all of the accomodations were great and the horses seemed well kept, but I'm no horse guy.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
10, i didnt answer this in PM. It took less than 2 weeks for my cert...from Etrade
Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Milliam and Cat...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Apparently there is some sort of "open meeting" with the SEC today. Word on the street is that the Grandfather clause has been REMOVED!
Again...this is the word on the street. Im anxious for some concrete news.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
SEC Votes To End Short-Selling 'Grandfather' Protections June 13, 2007 11:23 ET By Judith Burns Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
WASHINGTON (Dow Jones)--The Securities and Exchange Commission voted Wednesday to approve a change to tighten rules intended to curb manipulative short sales, including so-called "naked" short sales.
The change eliminates a controversial exception that shielded existing short positions from requirements to deliver hard-to-borrow shares within 13 days of settlement. Once the change takes effect, short positions previously protected by the grandfather clause must be closed out within 35 days.
SEC Chairman Christopher Cox said persistent failures to deliver shares sold short seem to be due to the grandfather protections, which the SEC included in 2004 to prevent stock-market volatility. Critics complained the protections undermined efforts to clean up abuses involving "naked" short sales.
Short selling involves sales of borrowed securities, producing profits when prices decline. The practice is legal, but the SEC's Regulation SHO sought to prevent "naked" short sales, in which short sellers don't borrow securities they sell.
SEC officials said delivery failures have declined about 35% overall since Regulation SHO took effect and have fallen about 53% for hard-to-borrow stocks defined as "threshold" securities.
-By Judith Burns, Dow Jones Newswires, 202-862-6692; Judith.Burns*dowjones.com (END) Dow Jones Newswires
Posted by TimW on :
Correct... #3 on their list of things to do today!
Interesting
Open Meeting Agenda Wednesday, June 13, 2007 Agenda as of June 11, 2007. Note that Open Meeting agendas are subject to last-minute changes.
Item 1: Amendments to Regulation SHO
Division: Division of Market Regulation
Staff: James Brigagliano, Josephine Tao, Joan Collopy, Lillian Hagen, Victoria Crane, Elizabeth Sandoe
Item 2: Re-proposed Amendments to Regulation SHO
Division: Division of Market Regulation
Staff: James Brigagliano, Josephine Tao, Joan Collopy, Lillian Hagen, Victoria Crane, Elizabeth Sandoe
Item 3: Short Selling in Connection with a Public Offering
Division: Division of Market Regulation
Staff: James Brigagliano, Josephine Tao, Joan Collopy, Elizabeth Sandoe, Victoria Crane
Item 4: Regulation SHO and Rule 10a-1
Division: Division of Market Regulation
Staff: James Brigagliano, Josephine Tao, Victoria Crane
.. ... .. Item 3: Short Selling in Connection with a Public Offering The Commission will consider whether to adopt amendments to Rule 105 of Regulation M that would further safeguard the integrity of the capital raising process and protect issuers from manipulative activity that can reduce issuers' offering proceeds and dilute security holder value.
For further information, please contact James Brigagliano, Josephine Tao, Joan Collopy, Elizabeth Sandoe, or Victoria Crane at (202) 551-5720.
Posted by TimW on :
Now, anyone think theres a reason why RPH was improperly arrested right before an open SEC meeting on short selling?
Makes ya go HMMMMMMMMM.. even though it is specifically about public offerings.
Posted by milliam on :
Tim...I'm not sure how to read you on this. From what I've read and heard (I was watching the SEC meeting), they voted to eliminate the grandfather clause. This doesn't really have anything to do with public offerings.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tim? did you ever comment on the post you made the other day? About being quiet for a couple of days...the one with the gabreeders link?
Posted by PCola77 on :
I'm praying that he's being sarcastic. If someone *really* thinks one had anything to do with the other, I think I'd be in total shock.
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Tim...I'm not sure how to read you on this. From what I've read and heard (I was watching the SEC meeting), they voted to eliminate the grandfather clause. This doesn't really have anything to do with public offerings.
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Tim...I'm not sure how to read you on this. From what I've read and heard (I was watching the SEC meeting), they voted to eliminate the grandfather clause. This doesn't really have anything to do with public offerings.
I was going off of what was on the website agenda.
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tim? did you ever comment on the post you made the other day? About being quiet for a couple of days...the one with the gabreeders link?
No i didnt comment.. thats part of being quiet.. . Just kidding...
Those comments i made didnt belong together.. gabreeders was as someone else mentioned, missing a key horse in his arsenal, however the gabreeders site does have some evidence to contradict the "story" about animal cruelty, such as having housing for the horses, as many shareholders saw at the BBQ. Doesnt add up that they can say the horses had no stables.
The "watch" comment was meant to go towards the SEC activity... My apologies for not clarifying. Just seemed to be out in the open evidence to contradict the animal cruelty and the timing of the 'arrest' with the sec events is just way to coincidental for me to swallow.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tim...when the AC said he had no housing for the animals...they were talking about whrere RPH moved the horses to...which was his home...and I don't remember there being a stable/barn/detached garage or any other structure in the picture
Thanks for posting on the comment...and clarifying Posted by TimW on :
Im curious who the "board member that called and verified" is.
pet-abuse.com normally has every major case even those not arrested for on their site.. and they dont show much in georgia lately.
Im almost certain that horse deaths due to starvation, as well as an arrest made off the case wouldve made it onto their database.
Posted by milliam on :
Interesting site Tim. It looks like they might only add cases that people send them info on though. I could be wrong, but that's what it looks like.
Posted by milliam on :
Someone posted this on stock watch in response to Lee Webb's last article:
Mr. Lee, I advise that you stop posting fictuous articles. Our office has received numerous calls, overwhelming our staff and causing real cases to be delayed. We are a business that has animal interests in mind, and can not play devils advocate for your slander and libel. We have not followed with charges on this man you speak of, and your stories are interferring with our business. Call volume at our location has more than quadrupled in the last days, and every caller is calling to confirm your story. This is not true, you are interferring with cases of animals that truely need help. Our staff has more important calls to take.
Remove all mentions of our business from your post and further notes.
Cordially, Bartow County Humane Society Bartow County Animal Control
Posted by Undisclosed * 2007-06-13 14:59
Posted by Jo4321 on :
wow, what a soap opera.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: wow, what a soap opera.
to say the least!
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: wow, what a soap opera.
to say the least!
Thats an understatement LOL.
Posted by new2stocks on :
is there a new Pacer document filed??
Posted by Igor R on :
Submission of 15 MOTION to Strike 14 Answer to Complaint, 17 MOTION to Set Aside Default, submitted to District Judge Clarence Cooper. (vs) (Entered: 06/13/2007) This is whats posted on HSM so far.
Posted by milliam on :
James Gee posts: Phil I forget how smart you are. Here is how it happened? Rufus created Wattle share certificates from his computer on the 25th of Sept and sent them to the TA with instructions to issues CSHD certs. Rufus sent along with the certs an excel spreadsheet to show who gets shares and who doesnt. Want to know the interesting thing about all of this is that the signed merger document wasnt created until November 27th. This was on his computer. The terms of the merger showed a restrictive stamp to be on the certs dated June 2004. That is why they were free trading.
Posted by milliam on :
And another JG post: According to the signed document in Rufus computer the merger doc was created on Nov 27th and signed the same day and faxed in. Rufus signed for both Waatle and CVSU as CEO of both. The certs, created from his computer had a creation date of Sept 25th. They should have been exchanged but never did. They should have been issued as Waatle then CVSU then CSHD. It didnt happen that way. They went straight from being Waatle to CSHD. Here is the restriction stamp.
Any transfer or other disposition of the shares represented by this certificate is subject to the provisions of an Asset Acquisition Agreement dated as of June 9, 2004, among CVSU, Inc. (the “Corporation”), and Waatle Holdings Corp. The shares of stock represented by this Certificate have not been registered under the United States Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the “Act”), and may be transferred only if (i) registered under the Act and the requirements of any state having jurisdiction are complied with or (ii) the transfer is exempt from such registration and state requirements and counsel reasonably acceptable to the Corporation has delivered to the Corporation a written opinion reasonably acceptable to the Corporation setting forth the basis for such exemption.”
Posted by milliam on :
Not sure if this stuff matters, but I thought I'd bring it over. Here's the last one on this subject:
Here you go. This is a Waatle share cert that I copied. I had to delete the name from it.
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Submission of 15 MOTION to Strike 14 Answer to Complaint, 17 MOTION to Set Aside Default, submitted to District Judge Clarence Cooper. (vs) (Entered: 06/13/2007) This is whats posted on HSM so far.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
7 or 8 months ago James Gee would have cleared the house had he dropped those bombs on us. Its all a good story but its AMAZING that those details havent leaked out in one way or another until now. For that reason I will need to disbelieve what he is writing. If he isnt lying about this, God help him....the people that lost A LOT of money down south are looking for someone to pay very badly.
He's screwed either way IMO.
Posted by Igor R on :
I like this post on HSM regarding JG. It was made by Mike Honcho
"
quote: Quote: Originally Posted by dogman View Post Here you go. This is a Waatle share cert that I copied. I had to delete the name from it.
Dogdoo- are you kidding me with this rookie job certificate?
This has to be the most pathetic job I have ever seen- you claim you scanned this copy or what?????
You say you "copied it" the document you posted is NOT a copy. as you indicate.
Explain the source of this POS! (Below are the layers broke out- you cannot break out layers of images in a word document if it was a "scanned image")
***edit notice whoever the idiot was who made it put the company name in two locations on top of eachother. But because they covered the images on top of eachother it was not something you could see unless you broke the layers out***
"
Posted by 10of13 on :
Some interesting stuff today...
Posted by bilgert on :
I noticed the same thing too Igor- that was just sad...My neighbor's 4 year old can cut and paste better than that.
Posted by PCola77 on :
I thought he copied everything from Rufus' computer during that bar-b-que. Wouldn't he then have whatever version was on Rufus' computer?
If he said he "copied" it, I would assume he meant electronically, not a photocopy.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Whats that new pacer document say/mean?
Posted by 10of13 on :
I'm thinking that it simply means that the judge now has all the information that RPH and SEC has submitted in front of him... My guess is that the next step would be that the judge would "rule" on what is next...
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Whats that new pacer document say/mean?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I'm thinking that it simply means that the judge now has all the information that RPH and SEC has submitted in front of him... My guess is that the next step would be that the judge would "rule" on what is next...
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Whats that new pacer document say/mean?
I think you are absolutely right 10. Those documents posted are now in front of the Judge to rule on.
Interesting to me is that there is one document that I was unaware of. The motion to set aside the default. We knew Rufus answered and that the SEc moved to strike but the motion regarding the default is new to me. Of course I have been out of pocket a while so it may have happened when I wasn't looking.
So the Judge could strike Rufus's answer but set aside the default which would then allow Rufus to answer. I know it doesn't make sense when looking at it logically but from a legal point of view it might.
I will allow those more versed in the legal arena to answer that.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Submission of 15 MOTION to Strike 14 Answer to Complaint, 17 MOTION to Set Aside Default, submitted to District Judge Clarence Cooper. (vs) (Entered: 06/13/2007) This is whats posted on HSM so far.
I believe this really needs to be looked at as 3 separate events.
(1) 15 Submission to Strike
(2) 14 Answer to Complaint
(3) 17 Motion to Set Aside Default
Wally
Posted by TimW on :
Translation:
We are not golden, we're platinum.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Translation:
We are not golden, we're platinum.
hhaha right.
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
Explain the source of this POS! (Below are the layers broke out- you cannot break out layers of images in a word document if it was a "scanned image")
Depends on what was the intention of this. It is a stock certificate that has been edited to remove the existing content. If you blow it up you can see the blending/cloning of textures aroundd where signatures should be and where the numbers should be.
Looks like it was just "depersonalized" and some text boxes placed over the top.
In other words, hopefully its a joke.
Im sure the text was just put in there as a joke.. I think the original point is just to prove he has a copy of a cert. It definetly was not a "blank cert" or copied from the source.. as when you zoom in you can tell it was edited.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I'm thinking that it simply means that the judge now has all the information that RPH and SEC has submitted in front of him... My guess is that the next step would be that the judge would "rule" on what is next...
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Whats that new pacer document say/mean?
I think you are absolutely right 10. Those documents posted are now in front of the Judge to rule on.
Interesting to me is that there is one document that I was unaware of. The motion to set aside the default. We knew Rufus answered and that the SEc moved to strike but the motion regarding the default is new to me. Of course I have been out of pocket a while so it may have happened when I wasn't looking.
So the Judge could strike Rufus's answer but set aside the default which would then allow Rufus to answer. I know it doesn't make sense when looking at it logically but from a legal point of view it might.
I will allow those more versed in the legal arena to answer that.
Wally
Wally-san...
rph answered, late--as we know--subsequently, the SEC filed motion to strike re timeliness, etc. Then rph submitted again, the "set-aside" motion...
I don't *think* the SEC can move against that. ie, would be "presumptuous" toward the court.
However, *if* the motion to strike first reply is upheld, is not good for the "set-aside," imo.
Two issues remain a "stickler." Timeliness and mixed replies between personal and company.
That being said, it sure would be fun if the default *were* set aside.
That would open--or at least lead to-- the "discovery phase," if I understand the process correctly...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I'm thinking that it simply means that the judge now has all the information that RPH and SEC has submitted in front of him... My guess is that the next step would be that the judge would "rule" on what is next...
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Whats that new pacer document say/mean?
I think you are absolutely right 10. Those documents posted are now in front of the Judge to rule on.
Interesting to me is that there is one document that I was unaware of. The motion to set aside the default. We knew Rufus answered and that the SEc moved to strike but the motion regarding the default is new to me. Of course I have been out of pocket a while so it may have happened when I wasn't looking.
So the Judge could strike Rufus's answer but set aside the default which would then allow Rufus to answer. I know it doesn't make sense when looking at it logically but from a legal point of view it might.
I will allow those more versed in the legal arena to answer that.
Wally
Wally-san...
rph answered, late--as we know--subsequently, the SEC filed motion to strike re timeliness, etc. Then rph submitted again, the "set-aside" motion...
I don't *think* the SEC can move against that. ie, would be "presumptuous" toward the court.
However, *if* the motion to strike first reply is upheld, is not good for the "set-aside," imo.
Two issues remain a "stickler." Timeliness and mixed replies between personal and company.
That being said, it sure would be fun if the default *were* set aside.
That would open--or at least lead to-- the "discovery phase," if I understand the process correctly...
I hear Ya Tex.
Yet, if I remember correctly one of the tests as to where a default judgement will be set aside is the impact that it has on the case and not the timeliness of it being filed.
I completely expect/expected the answer to be stricken because it was out of order. Therefore it would not be a surprise.
I hope the Judge does allow the shareholders the day in court so that all the discovery sees the light of day. This would end all the speculation and if not completely provide proof of innocence than point the fingers in the right direction. I say fingers, plural, since I believe more than one person is guilty.
Wally
Posted by T e x on :
"Yet, if I remember correctly one of the tests as to where a default judgement will be set aside is the impact that it has on the case and not the timeliness of it being filed."
a test? kewl... would love to read up on that...
for sure woulda helped me on another matter
Posted by T e x on :
also, an odd thing--to me at least--
notice the numbering: 14, 15, 17
what happened to 16?
am not saying the sky is falling, or this proves conspiracy...
still, the sequence is at least worth noting
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: "Yet, if I remember correctly one of the tests as to where a default judgement will be set aside is the impact that it has on the case and not the timeliness of it being filed."
a test? kewl... would love to read up on that...
for sure woulda helped me on another matter
For your reading pleasure. Not sure if this one in particular deals with unfair advantage but I think you can get a general drift on it.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: also, an odd thing--to me at least--
notice the numbering: 14, 15, 17
what happened to 16?
am not saying the sky is falling, or this proves conspiracy...
still, the sequence is at least worth noting
Now I did notice that too but did not want to feed the Conspiracy theorist nor the chicken littles.
I wonder what 16 was all about? Maybe just an amendment to 14 or 15 or the holy grail. Stay tuned.
Legal Topics > Personal Injury and Health > Injury Accidents > Personal Injury
What is a Default Judgment?
When you are sued by someone, you must file an answer with the court, which includes your response to the allegations made against you. If you fail to so do within the time period alloted, or if you fail to appear in court to answer the plaintiff's complaint, a judgment will be entered in favor of the plaintiff. This is called a default judgment.
What Can I Do if a Default Judgment Has Been Entered Against Me?
In order to have the default judgment vacated, or set aside, you must file a motion to vacate the judgment with the court. In filing your motion, you must generally cite one of the following reasons for why you failed to answer the complaint in a timely manner:
mistake, inadvertence, surprise, or excusable neglect; new evidence has been discovered; fraud the judgment is void; judgment was satisfied or discharged; some other reason that would justify your failure to answer The court will hold a hearing on your motion, and determine whether or not to vacate the judgment. Though the success rate of these motions will vary quite a bit from court to court, they are fairly liberally granted. Courts are more inclined to give each party the opportunity to argue their side of the case based on its merits, rather than allowing a judgment by default to stand.
It is important to remember that just because your motion to vacate is granted, you have not won the case. Setting aside the default judgment simply gives you the opportunity to file your answer to the original complaint made against you by the plaintiff.
Should I Consult An Attorney? Any time you are being sued, you will want to have an experienced attorney defending you. If a default judgment has been entered against you, an attorney will be able to represent you and help you prove that the judgment should be vacated or set aside.
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: also, an odd thing--to me at least--
notice the numbering: 14, 15, 17
what happened to 16?
am not saying the sky is falling, or this proves conspiracy...
still, the sequence is at least worth noting
Now I did notice that too but did not want to feed the Conspiracy theorist nor the chicken littles.
I wonder what 16 was all about? Maybe just an amendment to 14 or 15 or the holy grail. Stay tuned.
Wally
Ohhh...the 16...that's 16 billion like what we're all going to have, or maybe its 160 billion....whoa.
Sorry...just poking a little fun at RPH's board. They take any numbers that show up and try to figure out where they fit in.
Posted by thesource on :
And even if the default is set aside (which I highly doubt will happen), the company still needs legal representation to proceed foward .
Posted by milliam on :
Why would you think the default wouldn't be set aside?
Indeed the co. does need legal representation, but I think RPH has made it pretty clear that he's not going to get any for himself or the company, but he can go to court for himself. I'm not sure what that does for the co. though.
Posted by thesource on :
I don't think it will be set aside for 2 reasons :
(1)Judge gave specific orders to not come back without a lawyer
(2)Any filings that include CSHD in them must be filed with an attorney signature attached to them or they are basically voided .
Posted by milliam on :
Gotcha...I do remember RPH's answer mentioning the corp. probably too much, but I don't remember how his plea for the default to be opened was.
RPH can represent himself in court without a lawyer, but I agree that the corp. has to have a lawyer. Now, is there anyway that RPH can go into court for himself and not really bring CSHD into this? Its pretty much the same case. I assume the case against him was made so that he didn't just quit being the CEO and get off.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Was it actually written in and order for the Company to seek and obtain legal representation?
I'm looking for "WRITTEN".... I do not have a copy of the Docs...TIA
Just out of curiosity...could that sealed doc given to the judge be "financial info" saying that the Company had no funds to hire a lawyer?
Posted by 66inxs on :
it does not have to be written - FRP - Federal Rules and Procedures states that a corporation must be represented by a licensed attorney and a court will not deviate one iota from those rules. you goof - you get tossed and the other side wins. the courts do not accept excuses or lateness or invalid pleadings. it is either done their way or it is not done. that simple.
Posted by milliam on :
I think its actually a law that a corp. has to be represented by a lawyer.
I would imagine that a lawyer would be appointed if the corp. doesn't have the funds to hire one. I highly doubt the sealed doc was financial info showing the corp. didn't have the funds for a lawyer. At the time when that went down, I think Rufus was still saying we had a bunch of cash. I would think a document saying we were broke would have went towards showing that the SEC was right in their accusations.
I think all of this just stems from RPH not liking lawyers and figuring that none of them would understand what he's trying to do. I think he feels that a lawyer would try to talk him into settling for less than he feels is due. I think he might also be afraid that a lawyer could be paid by the bad guys to screw him. It all pretty much comes down to RPH wanting to be in control of his case...if he/we had a lawyer, he wouldn't be in total control.
He has said in the past that bascially the SEC has lawyers, let them find the pump and dump.
Posted by TimW on :
Broker called me and wants to restructure my account.. First thing that came to mind is they want my CSHD shares.. muahaha.
I find it weird that i dont get any calls from them for 9 months until yesterday... and they want to help me out.
This is all too much of a kawinky dink... Im confused as ever.
Posted by milliam on :
What borker are you with?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Milliam.. I thought that Cshd was pretty much a "bond" oriented business..and they didn't have "cash on hand" so to speak..and the way things were written/structured for the bonds was that they couldn't be drawn upon unless to fund JV's... If that was the case then perhaps they truly didn't have "funds" for a lawyer...just a thought...
And it could very well be that RPH simply wasn't taking any chances that a lawyer would get "bought out" by someone...it seems to be his "thinking"
Posted by milliam on :
You could be right 10, but I thought Rufus did say we had some cash on hand.
I think the lack of a legal team is derived from a conspiracy theory. BUT, if all that has gone on is true, I can't blame Rufus for feeling this way!
Posted by glassman on :
actually? Judges have considerable leeway in any attempt to FIND justice...
people who point to the rulebooks over and over again are usually listening to lawyers that have kids with expensive cars...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I don't think it will be set aside for 2 reasons :
(1)Judge gave specific orders to not come back without a lawyer
(2)Any filings that include CSHD in them must be filed with an attorney signature attached to them or they are basically voided .
"The court will hold a hearing on your motion, and determine whether or not to vacate the judgment. Though the success rate of these motions will vary quite a bit from court to court, they are fairly liberally granted. Courts are more inclined to give each party the opportunity to argue their side of the case based on its merits, rather than allowing a judgment by default to stand."
See above post for link.
Wally
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: it does not have to be written - FRP - Federal Rules and Procedures states that a corporation must be represented by a licensed attorney and a court will not deviate one iota from those rules. you goof - you get tossed and the other side wins. the courts do not accept excuses or lateness or invalid pleadings. it is either done their way or it is not done. that simple.
Thats correct , its procedure . The Judge was just making Dufus aware of it . The case against CSHD and against Rufus are one in the same . The only reason Rufus is listed on it is because he's the CEO of the company .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I don't think it will be set aside for 2 reasons :
(1)Judge gave specific orders to not come back without a lawyer
(2)Any filings that include CSHD in them must be filed with an attorney signature attached to them or they are basically voided .
"The court will hold a hearing on your motion, and determine whether or not to vacate the judgment. Though the success rate of these motions will vary quite a bit from court to court, they are fairly liberally granted. Courts are more inclined to give each party the opportunity to argue their side of the case based on its merits, rather than allowing a judgment by default to stand."
See above post for link.
Wally
Thats fine but the company still has no one to answer for it there for cannot proceed with any filings or court dates . If CSHD does not have an attorney , the judge cannot and will not grant the motions on the behalf of the company . If anything , its slap in his face since Rufus did not follow his orders to come back with legal counsel .
Posted by 10of13 on :
thesource says: "Thats fine but the company still has no one to answer for it there for cannot proceed with any filings or court dates . If CSHD does not have an attorney , the judge cannot and will not grant the motions on the behalf of the company . If anything , its slap in his face since Rufus did not follow his orders to come back with legal counsel"
Well source...i guess we will find out within the near future what the judge has to say...good, bad or indifferent...we shall see...
Posted by milliam on :
I disagree that the cases are one in the same. There's no doubt they are both about the exact same thing, but one is against CSHD and the other is against Rufus.
Technically, Rufus can go to court on his own behalf. It is going to be hard to divide the case between him and CSHD, but others have mentioned that this might be part of his plan. If he can prove his innocense without a lawyer, then it automatically proves CSHD's innocense.
Maybe, just maybe this is better for the shareholders. If Rufus goes to court on is own and fails, then maybe the door will be open for CSHD to go to court with a lawyer.
Posted by thesource on :
No it is the same . They are filed together under the same suit # . The judge didn't tell Rufus he could represent himself and the company must come back with a lawyer . He said don't come back without a lawyer . Rufus continues to snuff his noise at the court but thinks the judge will grant him some leinancy ??
Posted by thesource on :
Lets just say for the sake of arguement that the judge allows Rufus to represent himself and go foward with the suit against him personally . That still leaves the state of default in place for the company because the company has failed to respond to its part of the suit and there for cannot proceed any further . The only that might happen is Rufus is cleared of the suit but CSHD still remains on it and in default .
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: What borker are you with?
Banc of America. I dont think they show up on brokers list as that though.
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Lets just say for the sake of arguement that the judge allows Rufus to represent himself and go foward with the suit against him personally . That still leaves the state of default in place for the company because the company has failed to respond to its part of the suit and there for cannot proceed any further . The only that might happen is Rufus is cleared of the suit but CSHD still remains on it and in default .
Correct-a-mongo. The only thing rufie is trying for is getting the judge to obtain proof from the SEC, which they have no proof.. Thats all hes banking on now it sounds like. If the SEC has any evidence, then he would need to defend himself. He cant defend himself against accusations if theres no evidence to begin with! Thats why he doesnt have a lawyer yet.
Posted by thesource on :
In a law suit , things are not the same as in a criminal case . The burden of proof is not solely on the plantiffs hands . If I were to sue you on what ever grounds , you must provide reasonable proof of your own that the claims made in the suit do not have a bases to move foward . In this case the SEC has presented the suit against CSHD and now its up to CSHD to defend itself . I've used this analogy before and it fits nicely .
Imagine this as a poker hand . Both people think they have a winning hand or atleast a good chance of bluffing their way to a win . The SEC has placed their bet and now Rufus must check it or raise it to see the SEC's cards . If he cannot or will not , he's forced to fold and the SEC wins . If he places the bet and forces the SEC to show their hand then its over , completely over one way or the other . Now that brings up the question of why would Rufus drags this out , risk his family and his own freedom to play this hand . He's been told to get a lawyer but still has not . According to those who believe his story , CSHD is golden and should have billions at its disposal . Why would Rufus print up some crappy motions and file them under his name if the company was loaded . Hell its a tax write off anyways and this thing would be trading alot higher by now if the company answered the default .
The thing is , CSHD is broke . Rufus is broke . CSHD has no bonds or JV's . The company is in default and the people holding stock in this company are just wishfull thinking that this will ever get any better . The saying "If its too good to be true " really applies to this stock .
Posted by glassman on :
The burden of proof is not solely on the plantiffs hands . If I were to sue you on what ever grounds , you must provide reasonable proof of your own that the claims made in the suit do not have a bases to move foward . In this case the SEC has presented the suit against CSHD and now its up to CSHD to defend itself . I've used this analogy before and it fits nicely .
that's bullcrap....
In civil law cases, the "burden of proof" requires the plaintiff to convince the trier of fact (whether judge or jury) of the plaintiff's entitlement to the relief sought. This means that the plaintiff must prove each element of the claim, or cause of action, in order to recover.
The burden of proof must be distinguished from the "burden of going forward," which simply refers to the sequence of proof, as between the plaintiff and defendant. The two concepts are often confused.
i got one word for you: Nifong
Posted by 10of13 on :
We shall see....
I'm not going to make any guesses as to what the Judge will or will not due or even how this will turn out...There are LOOP HOLES in everything...most of all written laws, rules and regulations...
So we shall see...
Posted by madmoney on :
it allways come back to the same question. IF cshd has billions of dollars in assets WHY have they not hired a kick azz leagle team to blow the doors off the SEC`s allegations??? every month this drags out decreases the credibility of this company. what happened to the politicos and diplomats who were alledgedly behind the scenes? a multi BILLION dollar company would be a powerhouse with a STAFF of eager layers just itching to rip the throat out of some(smalltime cant make it in the real world) SEC lawyer!. but no lawyer?? spin the situation anyway you like but the trueth is there is NO GOOD REASON for not having a GREAT law firm representing them IF they have billions of dollars in assets! NONE!!! and any argument against this reality is just silly IMO!!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by madmoney: it allways come back to the same question. IF cshd has billions of dollars in assets WHY have they not hired a kick azz leagle team to blow the doors off the SEC`s allegations??? every month this drags out decreases the credibility of this company. what happened to the politicos and diplomats who were alledgedly behind the scenes? a multi BILLION dollar company would be a powerhouse with a STAFF of eager layers just itching to rip the throat out of some(smalltime cant make it in the real world) SEC lawyer!. but no lawyer?? spin the situation anyway you like but the trueth is there is NO GOOD REASON for not having a GREAT law firm representing them IF they have billions of dollars in assets! NONE!!! and any argument against this reality is just silly IMO!!
maybe they made a sure bet and shorted? Posted by thesource on :
The burden of proof is only on the plantiffs hands if the defendant responds to the intial suit . CSHD did not and is now in default . That means the SEC does not have to do a damn thing from this point on until the default is either set aside or enforced . Since you are so good at looking things up , go do some research on the term default judgement .
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by madmoney: it allways come back to the same question. IF cshd has billions of dollars in assets WHY have they not hired a kick azz leagle team to blow the doors off the SEC`s allegations??? every month this drags out decreases the credibility of this company. what happened to the politicos and diplomats who were alledgedly behind the scenes? a multi BILLION dollar company would be a powerhouse with a STAFF of eager layers just itching to rip the throat out of some(smalltime cant make it in the real world) SEC lawyer!. but no lawyer?? spin the situation anyway you like but the trueth is there is NO GOOD REASON for not having a GREAT law firm representing them IF they have billions of dollars in assets! NONE!!! and any argument against this reality is just silly IMO!!
you are completely correct and have said that for a while now
Posted by madmoney on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by madmoney: it allways come back to the same question. IF cshd has billions of dollars in assets WHY have they not hired a kick azz leagle team to blow the doors off the SEC`s allegations??? every month this drags out decreases the credibility of this company. what happened to the politicos and diplomats who were alledgedly behind the scenes? a multi BILLION dollar company would be a powerhouse with a STAFF of eager layers just itching to rip the throat out of some(smalltime cant make it in the real world) SEC lawyer!. but no lawyer?? spin the situation anyway you like but the trueth is there is NO GOOD REASON for not having a GREAT law firm representing them IF they have billions of dollars in assets! NONE!!! and any argument against this reality is just silly IMO!!
you are completely correct and have said that for a while now
I know and it bears repeating, so many posters try to explain why it makes sense that they have no lawyer and it simply does not! ( make sense )
Posted by thesource on :
It does not benefit the company , the share holders , the people who's money is tied up with the bonds or the market value of the stock .
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The burden of proof is only on the plantiffs hands if the defendant responds to the intial suit . CSHD did not and is now in default . That means the SEC does not have to do a damn thing from this point on until the default is either set aside or enforced . Since you are so good at looking things up , go do some research on the term default judgement .
LOL... i already know what a default judgement is hence my description of Rufus as mishanlding just about everything involving CSHD...
the SEC does have an obligation to shareholders and taxpayers to "get it right". if they don't? then you should be leaning on your elected representatives...
whether you care or not is evident in your overall attitude, and you'll be burned over and over again until the SEC starts doing it's job.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: MOTION TO STRIKE ANSWER
Thats the exact response I figured the SEC would file against Rufus's wanna be answer . Its over guys . Notice how they said he had until "x" date to respond ? Thats why this is in default . Now all the SEC is doing behind the scenes is gathering evidence for a criminal case against Rufus and probably Michael Alexander not to mention the people that directly profitted from this scam .
I am glad Rufus filed that stupid answer because it forced the SEC to show us their hand . Before they couldn't do it because it was not public knowledge ........
Its time for me to go ahead and file my suit against the company since I foresee this company going into receivership probably by the end of the year . Without an attorney , I will win the suit by default , just not sure what exactly there is to be had anymore .
Ok, so help me out here thesource. Where is that post where you state youre not even a shareholder? Then explain to the class what you meant by your post above. I'll give you all night...im going to go for a few drinks.
When you are done with that, help me find the one where you said you werent going to post here anymore, oh "unless Rufus says something stupid again" or something along those lines.
I wont jump on the bandwagon stating that you have some "agenda" here like you are a paid basher or something...there is no way to really prove that anyway. There is a lot of proof, however, that you just cant mind your own business. You just cant stay away when you know just a few chioce works might get under someones skin and possibly hurt their feelings. That would be "inconsiderate"....since we are looking up words ill add that one.
'night
Posted by thesource on :
I was a share holder and under the laws in Texas . I have the rights to file suit against CSHD for misrepresentation of the facts . The way I understood it to read is I must be able to show a physical loss of money to be entitled to any gains from the suit . So I sold off my shares for pennies on the dollar and will try and recoup them through court although I believe this is in vain and there is no money or assets to be had from this $hit hole of a company .
If you have a copy of the share holders list from Oct . My name is on that list for whats its worth ......... maybe CSHD could sell off investor info to other P&D scams to create enough income to hire an attorney .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by madmoney: it allways come back to the same question. IF cshd has billions of dollars in assets WHY have they not hired a kick azz leagle team to blow the doors off the SEC`s allegations??? every month this drags out decreases the credibility of this company. what happened to the politicos and diplomats who were alledgedly behind the scenes? a multi BILLION dollar company would be a powerhouse with a STAFF of eager layers just itching to rip the throat out of some(smalltime cant make it in the real world) SEC lawyer!. but no lawyer?? spin the situation anyway you like but the trueth is there is NO GOOD REASON for not having a GREAT law firm representing them IF they have billions of dollars in assets! NONE!!! and any argument against this reality is just silly IMO!!
You are right on the money . Anyone who disagrees with this is just plain ignorant .
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Was it actually written in and order for the Company to seek and obtain legal representation?
I'm looking for "WRITTEN".... I do not have a copy of the Docs...TIA
Just out of curiosity...could that sealed doc given to the judge be "financial info" saying that the Company had no funds to hire a lawyer?
10 of Enquiring Minds,
Don't have a defintive answer, but as I recall from the motion to strike rph's first response, the SEC mentioned the no-attorney deal and cited the (first?) injunction (which was maybe the TRO?). Just remember thinking it must be "embedded" somewhere in the court documents, then...
As far as the sealed exhibit, the most logical speculation I've seen came from a poster on i-hub. "She" (who knows, lol...had a femme nick) claimed to "know" that it was personal account info--I can't remember whether it was bank or trading account. Although I don't believe she had personal knowledge, it *does* make sense, and is a logical, simple explanation. For instance--and maybe Glassy can weigh in--when I was a defendant in the recent BCIT case, there was a time when peeps' personal data was showing up on the court Web site. Poor form, if you catch my drift... One thing for the guv to give the plaintiff his day in court, but quite another to have addresses, etc "out there." In other words, it may well be pertinent to the case, yet not "fair game" as public info...
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Others wonder about pro se defense: can't take away an invidual's right to decline an attorney. Indeed, there are some impressive cases of individuals litigating in their own behalf.
On the other hand, many (most?) courts disallow when "legal person = corporation." As I understand it, the philosophy hinges on who is allowed to "practice law." I may not articulate this very well, but it goes alla way back to how we're set up as a country, the fundamentals; on the one hand, the government can't compel me to accept a given attorney--or even *any* attorney.
The judge *can* grill me, in order to make sure I'm not some nutball who really needs medical treatment, for example. But if I "pass muster" as reasonable, etc...not only do I get to represent myself, I'm pretty much stuck with my decision...
Contrariwise, a corporation presumably involves other folks, a group. Further, that group may well have shareholders who are *not* insiders, as well as employees, etc. Thus, a balance is necessary: Even though a "legal person," the corporation can *not* be represented in court by someone who is not qualified to practice law.
So basically, individual rights vs common good: guv can't take away rph's right to appear pro se, but he can't take away the group's right to have the company represented by counsel in good standing with the court.
Posted by 66inxs on :
please correct me if i am wrong but isn't there just one case styled SEC vs CSHD and rufus paul harris? this would mean to me that the sec was taking steps to ensure that rufus would be held personally accountable even if the corp was insolvent. i would doubt that the courts would split this action into 2 seperate trials just so rufus could represent himself. if the case was just against rufus i could see the pro se but not as the case was originally filed.
Posted by T e x on :
true, the complaint lists two defendants...but the government can't take away his right to appear pro se.
Can't see any reason for separate actions...at least, not as styled.
Posted by 66inxs on :
i agree exactly with your theory that the govt can't take away an individual's right to appear pro se in court. however, rufus is named as a codefendant his defense is "married" to that of the corporation and probably would not be seperated by the courts, thus preventing the pro se appearance by rufus. my belief is that the reason that the case was styled the was it was is so that they wouldn't have to retry rufus when the corporation was found to be insolvent. they are going to hold him personally responsible for this if they get their way.
Posted by thecon00 on :
Tim:
Back when RPH exposed Ameritrade along w others as to being grossly short shares, TDA called my room mate who had a large number of shares and told him to sell do to them viewing this as a very 'high risk' situation. it was the first time I have ever seen a discount broker call a client to give advise. he had only been trading 9 months at the time and had multiplied his cash by 4or5 times. what is even more strange is they did not call me when i had 5 times the number of shares and held a position worth over $100k at one point. i had been a client for three plus years at the time and have since taken my shares in hard cert. after moving all of them to choicetrade. this stock has been a great story and learning experience if nothing else. i am ready for the finally. i say if the judge doesn't let RPH have his day in court, then RPH has probably not showed him any real evidence and has been blowing smoke. if RPH really has something i think we go to trial, lawyer or not! - CON
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TimW Member
Member Rated: posted June 14, 2007 12:26 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Broker called me and wants to restructure my account.. First thing that came to mind is they want my CSHD shares.. muahaha.
I find it weird that i dont get any calls from them for 9 months until yesterday... and they want to help me out.
This is all too much of a kawinky dink... Im confused as ever.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: please correct me if i am wrong but isn't there just one case styled SEC vs CSHD and rufus paul harris? this would mean to me that the sec was taking steps to ensure that rufus would be held personally accountable even if the corp was insolvent. i would doubt that the courts would split this action into 2 seperate trials just so rufus could represent himself. if the case was just against rufus i could see the pro se but not as the case was originally filed.
to be honest 66? i think the SEC "went after" Rufufu personally because he was gettin' on the SPR and posting on-line, making outrageous claims... they may not have made the case in court to say that, but???
IMO? there's other people that actually did commit quite a few crimes here... Rufufu? i think he's their judas goat, and may not even know what really happened... that's just my opinion after listening to him on SPR a few times...
somebody reported him to the SEC and the SEC probably looked at the situation for very little while and said this guy's nut's, we need to shut him down...
but? i think the SEC missed (so far) the real (brains) crooks that set this thing up...
somebody was making fun of Rufus after hearing him talk the first time? i gots news ferya, they's lots foke dat talk lak heyim, where he comes from...
Posted by 66inxs on :
glass, i agree that rufus was(is) a high profile target and was probably reported to the sec by someone. rufus imho did not act alone, but the sec won by getting the stock delisted to the greys and put the world on notice that "something ain't right". no real reason to rush now. i hope all of the major players are made to make restitution to the people they harmed.
Posted by T e x on :
[edit: answering 66]
they want rph to answer, *and* they want an answer from the company...
Those answers could easily diverge...
Of course, much overlap *would* obtain. bonds' claims, public record of PRs, etc (not to mention SEC filings ), yet clearly the CEO is *not* the company, et al... Yes to his fiduciary responsibilties. But with all the questions? The need for intervention is obvious.
Your belief is your belief--just as some believe the world will shift its axis when rph finally delivers.
As many have posted here and elsewhere, Enron still trades. Some "longs" want to have the fact that rph, ma, etc are not in jail is "proof" of no problem, at all. Some detractors ("bashers" as popularly styled) seem to believe this shouldn't even get due process.
Too bad--this country is based on due process. "The King" ain't supposed to be able to just come get your stuff...
lol, just been fighting my own lil IRS dealie...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: glass, i agree that rufus was(is) a high profile target and was probably reported to the sec by someone. rufus imho did not act alone, but the sec won by getting the stock delisted to the greys and put the world on notice that "something ain't right". no real reason to rush now. i hope all of the major players are made to make restitution to the people they harmed.
to that end, the most recent SPR appearance that I'm aware of? rph said the whole deal had been in planning for four years...
Posted by 66inxs on :
good post tex. i'll shake hands on that point. i would like to be a "fly on the wall" when the due process goes down.
if we ever lose the due process and the equal justice under law concepts the country is in great doo doo.
the irs isn't any fun either!!!
Posted by 66inxs on :
even after rufus' experiences with bban and cshd, he is probably trying to dream up another scheme to get back on top again. too bad he doesn't apply his high intelligence and time into some type of honest work. probably likes the thrill of living on the edge too much.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: even after rufus' experiences with bban and cshd, he is probably trying to dream up another scheme to get back on top again. too bad he doesn't apply his high intelligence and time into some type of honest work. probably likes the thrill of living on the edge too much.
i'll be surprised if he plays front man again...
Posted by 66inxs on :
my bet is that rufus will be the front man again. he likes the spotlight too much and won't fade away like most of the other players did.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: even after rufus' experiences with bban and cshd, he is probably trying to dream up another scheme to get back on top again. too bad he doesn't apply his high intelligence and time into some type of honest work. probably likes the thrill of living on the edge too much.
I think BBAN was a test run and CSHD was designed to be a good pay day . If he's not convicted or does not do jail time , he'll be back in a few years with a new bag of tricks and a new group of suckers buying his story . It might not be in this country though , who knows .
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: even after rufus' experiences with bban and cshd, he is probably trying to dream up another scheme to get back on top again. too bad he doesn't apply his high intelligence and time into some type of honest work. probably likes the thrill of living on the edge too much.
I think BBAN was a test run and CSHD was designed to be a good pay day . If he's not convicted or does not do jail time , he'll be back in a few years with a new bag of tricks and a new group of suckers buying his story . It might not be in this country though , who knows .
If he can bring another stock from pennies into the 3+ dollar range I'll be the first "sucker" to buy shares....
But this time I'll sell them....LOL
Posted by Igor R on :
Looks like all we can do now is twiddle our thumbs and wait for the judges decision.
Posted by Igor R on :
So, I was bored and just read my horoscope for today.
"Gemini: Your financial situation is about to start looking up. Give it a little time, but you will soon be handsomely rewarded for some hard work."
Lets hope it comes true.
Posted by TimW on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by thecon00: [QB] Tim:
Back when RPH exposed Ameritrade along w others as to being grossly short shares, TDA called my room mate who had a large number of shares and told him to sell do to them viewing this as a very 'high risk' situation.
Thats pretty much what they told me.. They were concerned with what i was holding was based off of speculation and wanted to see if we could do something to get into more capital preservation.
Posted by 10of13 on :
.03?! Posted by betting babe on :
yeah, .03
rufus's 2 cents and a penny for good luck cuz we all need it ~BB
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO..hey BB...Hope all is going well!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
What was that? A BB drive by? Posted by new2stocks on :
.005 Posted by Jenna on :
Just wanted to poke my head in an apologize publically to Tex & 10 for the way I treated them the other day....
I know I already apologized via PM but thought it would be better to apologize publically too...
I think I took everything personally for a few days there...& that's when I know it's time for a personal time out (aka- a sanity check as my friend Mr. C likes to call it)...
So once again I'm sorry you two....I'm going back to my time out now...
Good Luck To All!!!
Posted by T e x on :
is all good with me--as you know. And I remember I owe *you* a PM... Posted by Jenna on :
I know Tex & I'm scared.....
& you *owe* me more than that....
How 'bout a good ole B*tch slap!!! Posted by Jenna on :
Good Night...
Posted by T e x on :
and btw? I *was* wrong about the "tortured syntax"... you said what you intended, and I misinterpreted.
...while we're "clearing the air," so to speak... Posted by PCola77 on :
Awww, group hug. Posted by 10of13 on :
Ahh Man!? More dirty laundry...? Just teasing Jenna...As i said sometimes "tones" and posts can be misunderstood...
emotions should be left out...although sometimes difficult after being in a "stock" together for so long...
Now we can go back to the "group hug"... Posted by glassman on :
group hug? Posted by T e x on :
there you go, strrrrrring up trouble
seriously? is kind of fitting: sometimes ya havta get a muddy scrum going to figure out what the deal is Posted by jon clogger on :
I'm sorta impressed with all the love on this thread. I missed a good soap opera.
I'll buy this stock just to be in the family. Posted by 10of13 on :
GAWD Jon...NOOOO...you can be part of the family without buying...chances are real good the shares we do have aren't worth anything anyways...so you'll be just like us and have notta... Posted by wallymac on :
So quiet here that I decide to troll the other boards. A lot of c hit hitting the fan if it can be believed. Posting what I found but not taking responsibilty for it's veracity.
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Today, 04:48 PM #13583 PIPE.Phisher HSM Newbie
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dogmondo: I just received a check for FHAL shares from... MA dogmondo: u are gonna **** when u hear the amount.... bohogirl75: FHAL dogmondo: check was made out to me....signed by JA dogmondo: for 500K shares bohogirl75: FHAL private placement shares? dogmondo: yes bohogirl75: omg give me the amount dogmondo: 500K x 3.25 average bohogirl75: you're kidding dogmondo: have not seen the check.... it gonna be a good xmas dogmondo: not ****ting you bohogirl75: that's 1.625mil bohogirl75: 1 milion 625 thousand dogmondo: yes bohogirl75: what the ****? bohogirl75: whops excuse my language bohogirl75: are those the same shares he was trying to sell at .15? dogmondo: no....these are the FHAL shares.... bohogirl75: btw, speaking of those FHAL shares dogmondo: I guess the certs that I hold..... dogmondo: are paper only bohogirl75: are they also cvsu? dogmondo: no dogmondo: it was a PIPE investment through MA and FHAL bohogirl75: right bohogirl75: i'm actually talking to a few other PIPE investors that haven't heard from Rufus, MA or JA in months bohogirl75: do you know when bought those, and maybe the ave pps... in other words, what was his investment? dogmondo: well.... dogmondo: .50 bohogirl75: cause... as you know by balance sheets, that money is nowhere to be found dogmondo: per share dogmondo: I purchased 500K at .50 bohogirl75: lol not bad bohogirl75: shoot dogmondo: now.....I the check is cashed.... bohogirl75: what am I going to do with this info now? do you know if it's just your group or are there others too? dogmondo: lots of others....... bohogirl75: no, i mean, did others receive checks too? dogmondo: i don't know bohogirl75: lol i know there are a lot of other investors that haven't seen the money or their shares yet dogmondo: like I said....the check has cashed…. bohogirl75: right bohogirl75: that's kind of the first thing i thought of dogmondo: and it was from FHAL PIPE’s..not songwii...not cvsu or cshd. bohogirl75: so 3.25 ave pps... lol what happened to $15? dogmondo: or waatle dogmondo: lol bohogirl75: do you know when it was dated? dogmondo: I will try to get the check scanned.... bohogirl75: shoot this is really interesting development dogmondo: boho...... if MA starts paying off his PIPE's.... dogmondo: and truely has all the cash stashed somewhere....... bohogirl75: see, that's the problem - those were PIPEs for FHAL bohogirl75: and he's paying them out of CSHD bohogirl75: while CSHD has 1600 in the bank dogmondo: this is it...... bohogirl75: what's your theory bohogirl75: I thought all the pipe's remaining are CVSU pipes bohogirl75: lol will he give you cash for them? dogmondo: so the question I asked myself..... dogmondo: I never would have thought that MA/JA would be stupid enough to pay out FHAL preferred stock...would he? dogmondo: cuz those shares were never released.....very illegal dogmondo: and the check was made out from CSHD... bohogirl75: well... add that to all the other very illegal things he's done... bohogirl75: **** man bohogirl75: this is just getting way too convoluted bohogirl75: was waiting for S4 to be filed to convert his 'convertibles' to shares? dogmondo: so......where are the Songwii, CVSU, and waatle PIPE investers........? bohogirl75: see, all songwii and waatle stuff ended up belonging to CVSU through a series of mergers dogmondo: now.....if some of these FHAL preferred shares entered the market and someone sold them short, for example.... dogmondo: MA/JA and complany have short aggreements w/ hedge funds....
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Today, 04:57 PM
Response from Bohogirl shortly after
Umm... very funny. Don't know who you are or how you got the original that you changed, but very funny... and please leave me out of your jokes, ok?
To everyone else:
THIS IS NOT THE ORIGINAL SCROLL. SOMETHING SIMILAR DID GO ON, BUT IT WASN'T WITH DOG, AND IT WASN'T REGARDING FHAL PIPES - IT WAS WITH SOMEBODY WHO CLAIMED HIS FATHER RECEIVED A PAYOUT FOR HIS CVSU PIPE INVESTMENT FROM RUFUS, FROM A SONGWII TRUST ACCOUNT. I HAVE THE ORIGINAL SCROLLS, AND ALL OF THEM HAVE BEEN FORWARDED TO PROPER AUTHORITIES, INCLUDING ALANA BLACK, BACK WHEN IT HAPPENED.
THE PERSON WHO TOLD ME ALL THIS LATER CLAIMED IT WAS BULL, AND IN RETROSPECT, I'M INCLINED TO BELIEVE IT.
edited to add: actually, you know what? whoever you are, FU*K YOU!!! You have no idea what that whole 'joke'/'lie'/'bull'/whatever did to me at the time, and the personal hell I went through because of it, and for you to CHANGE it like this and use it for some stupid, sick fun... I hope you burn in hell! __________________
Posted by wallymac on :
bohogirl HSM Addict Rank: Junior Analyst
Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,042 Quote: Originally Posted by IronGuillotine Seeing the sign up date, I wonder who this pipes person was before sharing this scroll... Seems like someone came up with a name purposely for this scroll only...
Oh what the hell. I've kept quiet for, what, 6 months now?
The person was SweetSplat, and he claimed his father was a CVSU pipe and received a payout from RUFUS from a Songwii trust account. So, SweetSplat, not dogman, and CVSU, not FHAL, and Rufus, not MA/JA/whomever.
As for who the poster is, I have my thoughts; there were 2 people in that conversation; I only shared the scrolls with proper authorities, and I didn't post the ALTERED version. So who is the poster?
oh, and btw, I refused to be a part of fraud, hence contacting the proper authorities, even at a risk of seeming like a total idiot (which I probably did; I'm sure Ms. Black and her office had a great ol' laugh about it afterwards). I did everything by the book, and other than more unnecessary stress (on top of the stress of it when it first happened), I am not worried about it at all, in case some were wondering.
Posted by wallymac on :
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Yesterday at 1:58pm, ronburgundy wrote:Mr. Harris --
Were you able to do the things necessary in DC to provide some relief for you and your family. While all of us want to profit in this endeavour, we don't want it to be at an unnecessary cost of you and your family. Can you comment?
Ron
Darn Right I did, All is well in C'ville
Look for 10 million counter suits, and all charges to be dismissed!!
Hey, wait I have the court document saying the case is Dismissed!!
I'll post it soon!! Got to Love it!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
Yesterday, 01:24 PM #13290 dogman HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 509 Just spoke to Alana Black and the SEC case is not the one that was dropped.
Posted by wallymac on :
Yesterday, 09:09 PM #13353 dogman HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 509 Everyone want some answers:
Sweet, The reason you nor anyone will get the information is because I am a witness now for the SEC against Rufus in the CIVIL SUIT. Alana sent me the docs today. The information they get will be under oath from me and posted on Pacer at my request. I have the goods and so will everyone soon. They are even paying my expenses and have bought my ticket to Atlanta later this month. BTW Alana Black ISSSSSSS the lead attorney against Rufus. The other guy was someone who answered investor calls. I have had several calls to her over the past few days. The only people that the SEC is after is RUFUS and BEN.
Rufus, The answers to your question is CSHD and all of the board of directors and INSIDERS that sold shares. Nothing happened on January 9th as I didnt get the subpoena until after that. Mrs Black is forwarding everything I have given to her to the FBI for the Grand Jury Case.
My day of vindication has a date and is very clear. It isnt 2 weeks that has been 2 weeks for months like others. By June 30th all information will be out for everyone to see on PACER. It wont be in Tut's Egyption or Rufus cryptic responses but in COURT docs.
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Posted by wallymac on :
Yesterday, 09:14 PM #13355 dogman HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 509 Quote: Originally Posted by stock_diesel Did you tell Alana that you have been posting evidence all over the internet?
Yes and she thought it was funny. I AM NOT BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE SEC. Rufus is. I am on the plaintiff's side which is the SEC.
Yesterday, 09:20 PM #13358 dogman HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 509 They have a computer forensics expert that will be there along with a few other people. So for those that think my information is fake, LOL. I kept the original flash drive. I dumped that onto my computer. They can tell if I altered any of the information. This is going to be the best day that I can remember for CSHD in a long time. Finally the truth.
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Yesterday, 09:22 PM #13359 dogman HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 509 You guys are great. I love it. The information that was put out WAS legal because it was obtained LEGALLY. I have the list of the three people that were there when Rufus gave it out and they have been contacted and are going to testify as well.
Yesterday, 09:37 PM #13381 dogman HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 509 Quote: Originally Posted by KN96 You want us to believe that you are not a liar? Jeez. seriously man.. the way you pumped last year and got all our address and share info.. IMO. you must be charged too in this case. The first day you said you still that rufus can do something to bring this company back. and you said you hold 300k shares and you said you sold a few at 5 cents. Then you later changed your story and said you sold betwen 5 and 10 cents..
Then you came back and said you have rufu's hard drive and can ship to anyone. Posted a couple of fake wattle certificates. Now you are saying that you are with the plaintiff side.
Oh god. Had you ever said anything that is true in your life? You did this to your wife too?
I did believe in the stock last year. I was trying to do what was required of my position. Then after I saw what Rufus was trying to pull and when I received the computer files and email I knew he was a crook. I did sell shares. I sold 10k in october for about $2.00 the rest I sold less that .10 cent. Most were at .05.
The Wattle certs were not fake. They will be put on Pacer.
You have no idea of my personal life as I do not air that in public. I understand that this is what you people try to do to move the focus off of issues you have no answers for.
Yesterday, 09:43 PM #13389 dogman HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 509 Quote: Originally Posted by KN96 Look at the timing right.. He was busy for 5 months.. and when things are moving.. (i dont know the direction) he shows up and posts all info on rufus.. Now he has all the time to post night and day. Now i can understand why his wife left him.(he said that.. not me)
I kept quiet for months because I was hoping Rufus would do something. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. When nothing was being done then I thought everyone should know what I know. By the end of the month you will.
BTW I left her.
Yesterday, 09:55 PM #13411 dogman HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 509 Here is the subpoena from Mrs Black
For those who don't know Dogmondo is James Gee, that has been verified.
Just bringing over what I thought may be pertinent and like I stated before, I'm not vouching for anyone who is on the inside at CSHD or every has been on the inside for that matter.
Posted by wallymac on :
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Today at 7:00pm, PANTERA1973 wrote: Good evening Paul. Any Cool & Interesting things (that you can tell us about) going on?
Everything is Great!!! I am Reloaded for another round!!
I Love the JG stuff!! Interesting and Cool stuff!!
I hope that he enjoys his trip to Atlanta to see Alana
Tell him if he wants to have a drink or two to call me!!
Also ask him if he needs an escort to the Deposition to call me
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wow...if it was true...can this guy really post all that info?
Posted by wallymac on :
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Doesn't look like I can get the copy of the Subpoena to post but I can email to anyone who wants and maybe able to post it. Just PM me.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wow...if it was true...can this guy really post all that info?
I really don't know what is true or isn't true. So much BS flying around.
IMO, James has been posting insider information. Maybe they have hem thinking that he is going to Atlanta as a witness but when he gets there he will find out different.
There is a raging battle going on as to the veracity of the subpoena and all the information that James has put out there. So who really knows.
The other boards have been very entertaining though.
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally didn't this JG already post some subpoena that he got a few months ago? when they wanted all the stuff from the computer?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Wally...that is one thing we can always count on with this stock...the entertaining Drama...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wally didn't this JG already post some subpoena that he got a few months ago? when they wanted all the stuff from the computer?
Yes, the first subpoena was supposedly from the FBI for a grand Jury that took place on the 9th of Jan but he recieved the subpoena on the 17th.
So who knows if this is real or memorex?
Dating myself with that last line. LOL
Wally
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Wow what the heck is going on here? I dotn know much about financing etc...but what exactly is everyone speculating is going on in plain english
Posted by wallymac on :
IMO, people are really trying to cover their A$$. Who needs to and who doesn't is yet to be determined but the Chit is about to hit the fan.
From having read everything out there on the other boards, I tend to believe and this is just my personal opinion, that RPH was successful in getting the default set aside and the case will now move forward.
Why do I believe this? Well, Rufus is saying case dismissed but when reading what Rufus says it seems necessary to read between the lines, therefore when I combine this with what James Gee(Dogmondo) posted, I think the SEC is now going forward with collecting evidence.
Where the evidence points is anybody's guess.
Wally
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: IMO, people are really trying to cover their A$$. Who needs to and who doesn't is yet to be determined but the Chit is about to hit the fan.
From having read everything out there on the other boards, I tend to believe and this is just my personal opinion, that RPH was successful in getting the default set aside and the case will now move forward.
Why do I believe this? Well, Rufus is saying case dismissed but when reading what Rufus says it seems necessary to read between the lines, therefore when I combine this with what James Gee(Dogmondo) posted, I think the SEC is now going forward with collecting evidence.
Where the evidence points is anybody's guess.
Wally
Shouldn't they have been collecting evidence for the past 9 months now?
Posted by wallymac on :
In a perfect world, Yes.
But then again Rufus and CSHD weren't answering a default so................
Wally
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Still makes no sense, Rufie has no lawyer, didnt answer the default on time. thats not how you do business unless you are broke.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Still makes no sense, Rufie has no lawyer, didnt answer the default on time. thats not how you do business unless you are broke.
What you say maybe true but it is completely up to the Judge to decide whether to set aside a default or not and it is set aside more often than not becauses Judges want cases determined on the merits of the case and not technicalities.
Rufus has every right to defend himself, remember that the SEC is the one who filed the action against CSHD AND Rufus.
I am not saying that he won the case or will win the case. Just saying that it would not surprise me if the Judge decided to set aside the default and allow Rufus to answer the SEC allegations.
Keep in mind that these are still allegations and nothing more until a court/Jury finds different.
I'm just hopeful that the court case will go forward and that we will be given more information because of that. Let the chips fall where they may.
GLTA Wally
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Wally,
Thanks for taking the time to read the other boards...that's a lot of posts to trudge through in order to find pertinent data to this "drama". . Is (are) there any new entries on PACER or other public sites that give evidence to the default being set aside, in addition to the deductions being drawan from reading between the lines. .. I hope you have a good Father's Day this year... . Best Regards and GLTA Bucky
Posted by 66inxs on :
j/k Happy Father's Day!!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: Wally,
Thanks for taking the time to read the other boards...that's a lot of posts to trudge through in order to find pertinent data to this "drama". . Is (are) there any new entries on PACER or other public sites that give evidence to the default being set aside, in addition to the deductions being drawan from reading between the lines. .. I hope you have a good Father's Day this year... . Best Regards and GLTA Bucky
No Bucky. Like I said in my postings, nothing on PACER yet. Actions usually take a few days to appear on PACER. I have seen the digital copy of the subpoena for the records tht James Gee has but it also is only a digital copy of a digital copy so I would not call it evidence.
Seems that many people around this play think it's funny to put false information out there or should I say misinformation.
I can handle it but I find it cruel because there are many people who invested a big sum of money and the BS affects them. All the Ups and Downs.
I hope that the activity taking place does mean that the case is going forward so that there is closure one way or another.
I watch because I've learned a lot here. It's been very educational not just in the legal and stock investing world but also in the field of human behavior.
It's been worth the price of admisson for me and I will see the end of the show.
HAPPY FATHER'S DAY TO ALL THE FATHERS.
WALLY
Posted by a surfer on :
LOL what a trip.......
Thanks for the reading Wally!
Happy fathers day all!!
Posted by thesource on :
You guys should call Ms. Black's office and verify Rufus's story . If the case was dropped , she should be able to confirm it with you .
Posted by Jenna on :
Happy Father's Day to all of the Dads!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: You guys should call Ms. Black's office and verify Rufus's story . If the case was dropped , she should be able to confirm it with you .
No one is stating that the case was dropped. Rufus said a case was dropped but never stated which one. If you read the postings you will see that we are only attempting to read between the lines as to what was dropped. The Animal Cruelty? THe default? or anything else.
PACER will tell us.
I'm actually surprised at what Alana has said about the case since it is the SEC's norm to NOT comment on cases that are pending.
All we can do is wait and see what happens.
Wally
Posted by thesource on :
She only commented on the information that was public knowledge to me . When I pushed the other questions , she started to comment but quickly stated that she could not comment on the question . She did make it perfectly clear that CSHD had not responded to the case properly and to the best of her knowledge still did not have legal counsel .
This conversation was several weeks ago and I do not believe anything has changed reguarding the case with the SEC . As far as the case on his animal abuse charges , I don't know and don't care .
Posted by wallymac on :
The fact is that she should not be commenting at all.
Well wahtever happened has happened in the past few days not weeks and hopefully there will be some clarification soon.
Believe me, I'm tired of all the subtrefuege.
Wally
Posted by T e x on :
wally, ya know? that has kinda bugged me ever since I saw posts contending "Alana said..."
What "source" posted seems much more in keeping with the responses I've ever gotten re an ongoing investigation. I called her but it seemed to me I was getting into "phone tag"...never did follow up. Others at SEC seem to have no problem returning calls...or NASD, for that matter. May not be as quickly as we'd like, lol...
But I hear you: by what they post, should be no comment. I understand that, too.
But I don't agree with it: if pennies are such an overwhelming problem, they could transfer one senior person and hire two assistants to point folks to relevant links, rules and regs. If *they* get overwhelmed? Fine. hire/transfer some more. They need to get over the idea that trading will get back to what it "used to be." Online trading opened the market to the lil guy, and we want/expect the rules to be followed.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: wally, ya know? that has kinda bugged me ever since I saw posts contending "Alana said..."
What "source" posted seems much more in keeping with the responses I've ever gotten re an ongoing investigation. I called her but it seemed to me I was getting into "phone tag"...never did follow up. Others at SEC seem to have no problem returning calls...or NASD, for that matter. May not be as quickly as we'd like, lol...
But I hear you: by what they post, should be no comment. I understand that, too.
But I don't agree with it: if pennies are such an overwhelming problem, they could transfer one senior person and hire two assistants to point folks to relevant links, rules and regs. If *they* get overwhelmed? Fine. hire/transfer some more. They need to get over the idea that trading will get back to what it "used to be." Online trading opened the market to the lil guy, and we want/expect the rules to be followed.
"Online trading opened the market to the lil guy, and we want/expect the rules to be followed."
Exactly
Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Mr. C- your mailbox is full....
Posted by fhalyesss on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Mr. C- your mailbox is full....
Hey Jenna
Is there a rumour going around that something big has happened behind the scenes??!!
Posted by fhalyesss on :
?????????????? Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna? If there is can you post the rumor? Or can you PM it to me? TIA
Posted by 10of13 on :
I just saw JG's subpoena...why is HE the defendant? Are they having a separate case going against him? and it is from Texas rather than Georgia? Not following JG stuff too closely but was wondering if anyone might be...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I just saw JG's subpoena...why is HE the defendant? Are they having a separate case going against him? and it is from Texas rather than Georgia? Not following JG stuff too closely but was wondering if anyone might be...
I cant imagine that anyone gave him permission for the things he has been posting so im curious about this subpoena. From what ive seen it appears that he is taking the stance as defendant against Rufus but ill wait for the court docs to decide.
Posted by 10of13 on :
I have received subpoenas for cases...to appear as a witness...and the plaintiff and defendant are the names of the parties in the case...
I have never seen any witness in the defendant's "space"...his name would appear in the "body" of the subpoena...but then again...stranger things have happened with CSHD...
**also the volume is high and it is going up and down between 150% and 200%...kinda funny to watch...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well, id like to speculate that JG is spouting off that he is working with the SEC but in actuality they are inviting him in for "other" reasons. Whatever it is they are doing I hope they are able to sift through the BS carefully.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I have received subpoenas for cases...to appear as a witness...and the plaintiff and defendant are the names of the parties in the case...
I have never seen any witness in the defendant's "space"...his name would appear in the "body" of the subpoena...but then again...stranger things have happened with CSHD...
**also the volume is high and it is going up and down between 150% and 200%...kinda funny to watch...
I just see "TO: James P. Gee" *under* the defendants... instructed to deliver e-files June 19 then appear for deposition June 26...
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by fhalyesss:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Mr. C- your mailbox is full....
Hey Jenna
Is there a rumour going around that something big has happened behind the scenes??!!
Hey Flahlyesss!!!
Rumor??? Not sure guys... You may be referring to Rufus' last post on Friday? He stated that the case was dismissed & he has the documents to prove it....
As far as "the case" is it the one with the SEC?...is it the one with the Aminla Cruelty case??...was that one even a case yet???
Don't know, nothing is in Pacer's & that would be difinative so not sure....
Is that the rumor you have heard?
Posted by T e x on :
btw, I assume I am seeing the same thing...anyway, what's odd to me is the "Northern District of Texas"...
I would've assumed that either the Ga court would issue it, OR the Texas district would direct him to the Fort Worth office. Then if Ga folks needed to be there, *they* would fly in...
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Jenna? If there is can you post the rumor? Or can you PM it to me? TIA
I'm not sure what it is 10....I think you guys may be referring to the case dismissal? ...but which case?
If I hear of another rumor I will let you know....
There is also something going on with James Gee & a subpeona....I think someone from Rufus' site may be forwarding that subpeona to Alana Black so she sould verify it's validity...I'll let you know if I hear anymore.... Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: btw, I assume I am seeing the same thing...anyway, what's odd to me is the "Northern District of Texas"...
I would've assumed that either the Ga court would issue it, OR the Texas district would direct him to the Fort Worth office. Then if Ga folks needed to be there, *they* would fly in...
The other interesting tidbit there is that James Gee posted it on Friday. If you believe the Subpoena, Alana signed it on Friday.
THe whole Texas vs Georgia court makes no sense to me.
Wally
Posted by T e x on :
All I know is I'd be *mighty* PO'd if it were me getting called to Ga when SEC has an enforcement office about an hour away...
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: **also the volume is high and it is going up and down between 150% and 200%...kinda funny to watch...
I just looked through some charts, and if i read it correctly, this is the highest volume since we came back from that 10 day suspension/halt thing.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
yeah huge volume. Wonder what is going on.
Posted by 10of13 on :
On another board..I saw someone mention about restricted shares being sold...? Maybe the end is so near that those are being sold to get out with something? I don't know...just a thought..
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: On another board..I saw someone mention about restricted shares being sold...? Maybe the end is so near that those are being sold to get out with something? I don't know...just a thought..
if restricted shares were sold? either a TA or a broker are also involved.... unless? the shares were "created" on a PC? who had the certificate template?
Posted by thesource on :
The case might be being transfered to Texas because thats where CSHD is legally located now . Their last PR stated Lake Dallas .
Posted by 10of13 on :
Weren't a few people on here looking for someone to "sue" CSHD?
Here is a law firm that I called today. The law firm told me if they get a large number of people that owned CSHD shares. They will represent us and filed a lawsuit to get our money back. Spread the word!! Too many of us lost our money! http://www.dreierllp.com/practices-10.html
Here is a law firm that I called today. The law firm told me if they get a large number of people that owned CSHD shares. They will represent us and filed a lawsuit to get our money back. Spread the word!! Too many of us lost our money! http://www.dreierllp.com/practices-10.html
Its sad when a majority of people think that CSHD has no money or assets and then still want to sue them. What would you get out of it if CSHD is broke?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
we just want rufus in jail
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: we just want rufus in jail
What would your case be? Its no doubt Rufus painted a pretty picture, and right now its pretty ugly. But no one held a gun to your head and forced you to buy in. Not that im supporting him or anything, but there just wouldn't be a point in wasting your time pursuing that.
Posted by 10of13 on :
stocktrader...i wish i was convinced as you that it was RPH that needed to be the one in jail... someone screwed around...just not sure who...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Its sad when a majority of people think that CSHD has no money or assets and then still want to sue them. What would you get out of it if CSHD is broke?
good point...
Posted by T e x on :
might get some dough outta the principals: lil mikey bagged at least 6 to 7 million...
for sure makes more sense than waiting around for the company to get current on filings.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Rufus didnt screw around? How about him proclaiming that he had a 100million estate fund or something like that. Where is that money now? The corporation never had any cash, he lied about everything he claimed. why shouldnt he be in jail?
Posted by thesource on :
Mike A. is the one who probably profitted the most out of this scam . As far as filing suit , I have all the papers on my desk filled out and ready to file but haven't yet . Why ? Because I truely believe this company is flat azz broke . Maybe Rufus didn't directly profit from it but he still needs to be thrown in jail along with his side kick Ben for fraud . They committed fraud against the shareholders of CSHD . Maybe a little jail time will make them think twice about pulling the crap again or maybe it will just give them more time to plot their next scam .
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Rufus didnt screw around? How about him proclaiming that he had a 100million estate fund or something like that. Where is that money now? The corporation never had any cash, he lied about everything he claimed. why shouldnt he be in jail?
unfortunately? lying isn't a crime.. unless it's under oath.... that's why the politicians do it so often Posted by stocktrader22 on :
his filings through the SEC were lies, the bonds were not legit. thats fraud. he should be in jail with all his pals.
Posted by thesource on :
Thats correct , he filed fraudulent docs with the GA. courts as well . Remember those contracts for the bonds ??? I'm sure they are fake as hell and the paper they are written on is worth more than the actual contracts .
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: his filings through the SEC were lies, the bonds were not legit. thats fraud. he should be in jail with all his pals.
the first 10Q filing declaring they had "control" of the Venezualan bond is what i've been waiting for him to be charged with fraud on...
if it was a lie it was pretty blatant...
and? the SEC don't seem to be in much of ahurry do they? makes me wonder... we may be waiting a long time..
i expect them to do their job too...
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Thats correct , he filed fraudulent docs with the GA. courts as well . Remember those contracts for the bonds ??? I'm sure they are fake as hell and the paper they are written on is worth more than the actual contracts .
Do you have physical concrete proof theyre fraudulent? And you're sure theyre "fake as hell", but once again wheres the proof? Unless the court finally determines whether rufus is a liar or not, and the documents are bs or not, its all speculation till then.
Posted by thesource on :
Do you have any proof of anything concerning CSHD ? Do you even have proof there is a CSHD any more ?
Posted by Igor R on :
No I don't, but neither do you. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to support the company or anything, but no one besides rufus and a couple other players and the court actually know whats going on. So till the court releases something, its useless to speculate imo.
Posted by 10of13 on :
there's no proof either way...for anything... And? as Tex said...seems MA would be the one to "go after"...might be "quicker"...but it seems you first would have to wait for the SEC to say yeah it was MA...he was in the wrong...AND then go after MA...dunno...
is there a CSHD? well? right now it's "trading"...that is the most "proof" i've seen as far as it "being"...hell it's the most proof for anything where this stock is concerned...
Posted by thesource on :
I don't see the court releasing anything unless CSHD and Rufus cough up a lawyer to proceed further .
Posted by TimW on :
I dont see them calling CSHD into court unless they have evidence to do so.
Posted by thesource on :
LMAO ......... They won't have to call CSHD into court . Unless CSHD responds to the default judgement and has it set aside , games over for the company anyways .
You people keep thinking that its burden of proof on the SEC or this will all just go away and you are dead wrong . The SEC has the company in checkmate unless the company produces a lawyer and can defend itself accordingly . You might be a prize fighter with a knock out punch but if you never step into the ring , you will still lose by default .
As for Rufus , he's the only person associated with CSHD so basically he is the company . They are one in the same at this point .
Posted by wallymac on :
Last I looked Most here, Rufus and CSHD live here in The USA. I say that because in our justice system there is a presumption of Innocence until proven guilty.
No one here on this board knows what went on and who the guilty parties are. Why? because we have not seen the evidence.
The calls for lawsuits and jailing Rufus are premature. Many like to speculate because that is all we have but those who Laugh at the rest and proclaim guilt rile me.
First, it's not a laughing matter. Some people have lost a sizable amount of money.
Secondly, to proclaim the knowledge of knowing not speculating about guilt without ever seeing the evidence is ludicrous. We just don't know.
thesource, where did you get your law degree. You seem pretty certain of what you say and belittle others that see it differently.
I will do the only that can be done and that is to wait and see what the evidence is, not just the charges.
The default must be set aside in order to move forward, I think we all agree on that count. The clock is ticking but from what I have read getting a default set aside happens more often than not.
Wally
Posted by T e x on :
Actually, the company does *not* need to wait on SEC/default etc -- as I understand it -- in order to move forward.
For example, within company filings? is pretty commonplace to mention lawsuits, etc.
The company could easily clear up overdue filings, questions re legit CEO, and so forth...*if* it chose to do so...
The default, being on the greys, etc, does not prevent the company from "perfecting" its filings...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Actually, the company does *not* need to wait on SEC/default etc -- as I understand it -- in order to move forward.
For example, within company filings? is pretty commonplace to mention lawsuits, etc.
The company could easily clear up overdue filings, questions re legit CEO, and so forth...*if* it chose to do so...
The default, being on the greys, etc, does not prevent the company from "perfecting" its filings...
That is very true, TEX.
I was only speaking of the civil litigation portion but they could clean up their act and trade on the OTCBB.
The one thing I do see as the problem to that is the 15C211 and getting a Market Maker to handle the stock.
I don't see it happening since Rufus has stated many times that he really doesn't want it to trade until the issue is cleared up.
I don't agree with that stance but then again I don't know all the facts of this case either.
Like I stated many times all we can really do is wait.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
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Court sides with Wall Street banks By PETE YOST, Associated Press Writer Mon Jun 18, 11:30 AM ET
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court on Monday dealt a setback to investors suing over their losses in the crash of technology stocks seven years ago.
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In a 7-1 decision, the court sided with Wall Street banks that allegedly conspired to drive up prices on 900 newly issued stocks.
The justices reversed a federal appeals court decision that would have enabled investors to pursue their case for anticompetitive practices.
The case deals with alleged industry misconduct during the dot-com bubble of the late 1990s.
The outcome of the antitrust case was vital to Wall Street because damages in antitrust cases are tripled, in contrast to penalties under the securities laws.
The question was whether conduct that is the focus of extensive federal regulation under securities laws is immune from liability under federal antitrust laws.
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As a result of the conspiracy, the investors say, the average price increase on the first day of trading was more than 70 percent in 1999-2000, 8 1/2 times the level from 1981 to 1996.
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Lawyers for Wall Street investment banks say it is a highly technical matter where the line is drawn between legal and illegal activity in the sale of newly issued stock. It must be left to highly trained securities regulators to decide, rather than to courtroom juries in antitrust lawsuits brought by investors, the industry says.
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: his filings through the SEC were lies, the bonds were not legit. thats fraud. he should be in jail with all his pals.
Wow, there are a lot of "matter of fact" posts here today. Rufus lied in filings....MA banked 6-7 million...bonds are not legit. Maybe someone should contact James Gee and see if they can get you guys a seat at the deposition.
But seriously, IMO it might be best to wait until after the Federal court hearing before initiating any lawsuits. I suspect more evidence might surface that could support a good suit. Dont ya think?
Posted by T e x on :
Good point--I was mostly responding to the idea that "no assets" are available. In that sense, the sooner the better, I would think... If disgorgement actions are successful, unlikely that much if any would be returned to shareholders. But your point about "more evidence" is well taken...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Good point--I was mostly responding to the idea that "no assets" are available. In that sense, the sooner the better, I would think... If disgorgement actions are successful, unlikely that much if any would be returned to shareholders. But your point about "more evidence" is well taken...
Its you that enforced the idea on me long ago (almost a year now!) to post only facts....although I slip from time to time I try to stick by it today.
Thats why i just HAD to add your comment
It sure would be nice to pin something on whomever banked on this though. Everyone definitely wants someone to blame...in a financial sense.
Posted by thesource on :
As said before , there is not one single positive reason for CSHD not to have legal counsel . I would think a multibillion dollar company would have a legal team on hand all the time to deal with daily issues and drawing up contracts .
You guys can continue to burry your heads and hope things get better but from where I stand , things are pretty much over and done with . Now the only hope is that the responsible people get a free stay at ClubFed .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: As said before , there is not one single positive reason for CSHD not to have legal counsel . I would think a multibillion dollar company would have a legal team on hand all the time to deal with daily issues and drawing up contracts .
You guys can continue to burry your heads and hope things get better but from where I stand , things are pretty much over and done with . Now the only hope is that the responsible people get a free stay at ClubFed .
Im glad I dont stand where you stand. Where I stand there is still a legal system in which we can only hope will prevail.
Posted by thesource on :
The legal system has prevailed . Its kept this scam from really getting out of hand and people to lose huge amounts of money versus a few grand .
Posted by 10of13 on :
It's prevailed? BWaaahhhahah. Not quite yet...
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The legal system has prevailed . Its kept this scam from really getting out of hand and people to lose huge amounts of money versus a few grand .
Personally, I don't feel one bit of remorse for anyone who lost more than a couple grand. If you're going to invest all of your savings in one stock, not to mention how some people took out second mortgages, then you deserve to lose it.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The legal system has prevailed . Its kept this scam from really getting out of hand and people to lose huge amounts of money versus a few grand .
Haha, im not sure if you were paying attention back in October but it was actually the suspension by the SEC that caused the HUGE drop in PPS and hence the "loss" you comment on. Im ok with the idea that there were some things that the SEC probably should have looked in to but the SEC did nothing to prevent things from getting out of hand. In fact, they allowed it to continue trading after the suspension....that was when the true loss happened. There are people on this board that "lost" more than a few grand in this fiasco by the way, so im not sure what you are trying to say.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The legal system has prevailed . Its kept this scam from really getting out of hand and people to lose huge amounts of money versus a few grand .
Dad is in this for 100 grand...but thats a fraction of his net worth. And there are many more where he came from...
The legal system has'nt even started to prevail here Source..... Hell were just lining up at the pole.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The legal system has prevailed . Its kept this scam from really getting out of hand and people to lose huge amounts of money versus a few grand .
you seem to have a very selective memory...
the SEC has done nothing more than tell Rufus "yo shutup", and they didn't even accomplish that. the SEC is RESPONSIBLE for the price drop that has occurred so far, and? until they prove their case? they are just acting on RUMORS too..
the SEC is holding critical evidence. whoever shorted this? they are the ones that reported it to the SEC. if they FTD'ed on their short? they need to be exposed.
until this stock came along? it was "common knowledge" that you can't short stocks under 5$.
why do i bring this up? because that myth played a large part in how people traded pennies, and if it was an institutional lie? then that just goes to show who is actually "ripping off" whom.
if you are "satisfied" with the status quo? then you might as well just write a check to your broker and walk away from the game...
Posted by glassman on :
June 19, 2007 09:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time DTCC Supports SEC Initiative to Make Trade Failure Data Publicly Available
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation (DTCC) today commended—and expressed full support for—the Securities and Exchange Commission’s (SEC) decision to give the public greater access to aggregate information on Fails to Deliver (FTDs).
DTCC’s comments follow the SEC’s recent decision to change short selling regulations, including eliminating the “grandfather” clause and the “uptick” requirement for short selling. In conjunction with these rule changes, the SEC announced it would consider releasing two-month-old, aggregated FTD data on a quarterly basis.
Currently, the SEC does not provide fails information to the public on a regular basis and releases fails data only under Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests, provided the released data is at least two months old. This policy was intended to safeguard confidential investor trading information that, if disclosed, could be used by others to gain competitive advantage or manipulate the market. Under the SEC’s new plan, aggregated data on fails would be released to the public, without the need for a FOIA request.
DTCC had recommended in a comment letter to the SEC last September on Reg SHO reform, that such data could be released publicly without putting at risk the confidentiality of participant securities holdings and trading or risking market manipulation.
DTCC and its subsidiaries play a critical role in the clearance and settlement of virtually all equity and fixed income trades in the U.S. While their systems will identify many failed trades, DTCC’s clearing subsidiary does not have access to the underlying reasons for the fail, which is only known to the firm involved.
The SEC has pointed out that most fails are usually temporary in nature due to administrative error by the end investor or the broker/dealer, though fails can also be caused by abusive trading activity. For that reason, the SEC and marketplaces monitor and investigate fails data to help uncover such activity.
“Our position is that disclosing aggregated historical data in each security on a regular basis, especially now that the grandfathering of fails is ending, would demonstrate convincingly the relatively low level of failed trades that actually exist, and that such information would end much of the speculation about the level of fails in our system,” said Larry E. Thompson, DTCC’s general counsel.
Since the inception of DTCC’s subsidiaries in the late 1970s, great attention has been paid to ensuring the confidentiality of information these subsidiaries possess about a financial firms’ specific securities holdings and securities trading activity. To preserve this confidentiality, the ability to release information is sharply restricted by DTCC’s subsidiary rules, and the financial firms, institutional investors and others who participate in the capital markets.
“Notwithstanding this history,” said Thompson, “DTCC believes it is both possible and beneficial to address the public’s interest in FTDs while continuing to protect the legitimate privacy concerns of our participants—and investors.
“Our position is that disclosing aggregated historical data in each security on a regular basis, especially now that the grandfathering of fails is ending, would demonstrate convincingly the relatively low level of failed trades that actually exist, and that such information would end much of the speculation about the level of fails in our system,” said Larry E. Thompson, DTCC’s general counsel.
the low level? that's not the same thing they were claiming last year... last year it was NONE? now that it's making headlines, it's well, it's "just" low...
but the ones that represent those low levels are mostly pennies, and appear to me to be the ones most frequently mentioned on the bulletin boards...
further research indicates that they are quite frequently penny stocks that are involved in PIPES and or institutional financing... see Cornell Capital as one of the most obvious "players"
Posted by wallymac on :
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Today at 1:14am, Rufus Paul Harris wrote: Today at 1:09am, harpeter wrote:Mr Harris...On June 15th you said the following:
Hey, wait I have the court document saying the case is Dismissed!!
I'll post it soon!! Got to Love it!!!!!!!!!!
Is there a reason you never did post it?
07-CV-1852 dismissed June 5th no time stamped
I have called the BARTOW COUNTY CLERK OF SUPERIOR COURT and have confirmed that the case Rufus mentioned above was dismissed on June 5, 2007. It was the "animal cruelty" case. The clerk is in the process of faxing me a time-stamped copy of the dismissal. I will post it as soon as I receive it! I would ask that no one call the clerk to confirm as they are doing me a huge favor in faxing the document!
(I apologize if this has already been confirmed.)
Posted by 10of13 on :
Animal cruelty? or the breaking of the leash law? If it was animal cruelty? How can they dismiss a case when they have taken away his horses?
It will be intersting to see which "case" it is...
Posted by fhalyesss on :
It was the animal cruelty case 10
Posted by 10of13 on :
Did someone post the document? I am just surprised that they came and took his horses involved all of those different departments and then dismissed the charges...
but thanks for clarifying which case...
If it was the AC charges...and all that was made up...that would really be something to make you go ...HMMMMM
quote:Originally posted by fhalyesss: It was the animal cruelty case 10
Posted by thesource on :
Well the PPS was leveling off and starting to drop before the suspension due to Rufus filing extensions and his story starting to come undone . The SEC suspension just put the nail in the coffin for the stock . You guys can continue to blame the SEC but all of this could have been avoided if CSHD would have cooperated with them and filed their stuff on time and accurately .
The fact is they did not and still have not done so . Thats not an opinion , that is a FACT .
Posted by thesource on :
Why does it matter that they dropped the case against him in some local court about animal abuse ? Who really gives a crap ?
He should spend his time addressing the SEC case instead of beating his chest about having a case dropped on some unrelated animal abuse charges .
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Well the PPS was leveling off and starting to drop before the suspension due to Rufus filing extensions and his story starting to come undone . The SEC suspension just put the nail in the coffin for the stock . You guys can continue to blame the SEC but all of this could have been avoided if CSHD would have cooperated with them and filed their stuff on time and accurately .
The fact is they did not and still have not done so . Thats not an opinion , that is a FACT .
Move along...nothing to see here...have a nice day.
Posted by 10of13 on :
I give a crap... it would be great if you could change the tone of your posts...
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Why does it matter that they dropped the case against him in some local court about animal abuse ? Who really gives a crap ?
He should spend his time addressing the SEC case instead of beating his chest about having a case dropped on some unrelated animal abuse charges .
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Well the PPS was leveling off and starting to drop before the suspension due to Rufus filing extensions and his story starting to come undone . The SEC suspension just put the nail in the coffin for the stock . You guys can continue to blame the SEC but all of this could have been avoided if CSHD would have cooperated with them and filed their stuff on time and accurately .
The fact is they did not and still have not done so . Thats not an opinion , that is a FACT .
yawn, placing blame where blame is due, nomorenoless...
you are confused about what certain people are posting, again.... i suggest you go back and recheck those dates... the PPS was off from it's high, but the SEC halt did much more damage than you seem to want to admit. as for me "blaming" them? once again you are confused. i place the blame squarely on Rufus, i just want the SEC to follow thru, and do their job, so we will know what th facts are... for the record.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Well the PPS was leveling off and starting to drop before the suspension due to Rufus filing extensions and his story starting to come undone . The SEC suspension just put the nail in the coffin for the stock . You guys can continue to blame the SEC but all of this could have been avoided if CSHD would have cooperated with them and filed their stuff on time and accurately .
The fact is they did not and still have not done so . Thats not an opinion , that is a FACT .
yawn, placing blame where blame is due, nomorenoless...
you are confused about what certain people are posting, again....
Damn you guys are hopeless .....
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Well the PPS was leveling off and starting to drop before the suspension due to Rufus filing extensions and his story starting to come undone . The SEC suspension just put the nail in the coffin for the stock . You guys can continue to blame the SEC but all of this could have been avoided if CSHD would have cooperated with them and filed their stuff on time and accurately .
The fact is they did not and still have not done so . Thats not an opinion , that is a FACT .
yawn, placing blame where blame is due, nomorenoless...
you are confused about what certain people are posting, again....
Damn you guys are hopeless .....
LOL... you are the one here posting with no interest, my interest is academic.
Posted by thesource on :
The PPS peaked before the 10K was due out and then started taking a crap when the E was attached . Rufus and his band of merry idiots tried like hell to smooth things over and keep the MOMO going . The price was trading around $2.00 at the time of the halt but had tanked down to $1.50 or so right before it happened . The halt crushed any chance of this scam ever trading that high again but it was brought on by Rufus and no one else . This is soley that dumb fu<ks fault .........
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The PPS peaked before the 10K was due out and then started taking a crap when the E was attached . Rufus and his band of merry idiots tried like hell to smooth things over and keep the MOMO going . The price was trading around $2.00 at the time of the halt but had tanked down to $1.50 or so right before it happened . The halt crushed any chance of this scam ever trading that high again but it was brought on by Rufus and no one else . This is soley that dumb fu<ks fault .........
I believe we were suspended (not halted) at $1.98....maybe it was $1.99.
Posted by glassman on :
the PPS at the time of the 10K was 2.50 to 2.75....
Posted by blackraven259 on :
I am new here and am looking for a great stock that is not on the pink sheet.... any ideas???? thanks in advance!
Posted by ClayN on :
Then buy as much of this as you can. It is a GREY sheet. Best type of stocks you can buy are on the GREY's. LOL J/K
Posted by thesource on :
Before the 10K was when it peaked . It started dropping when the 10K was not filed on time . It dropped all the way down to the high 1.4x's and rebounded a little bit to around $2.00 a share before trading was suspended for 10 days . Once again , this was Rufus's doing . He even boasted about having this go through court so it would be official and the record could not be changed . Well its gone to court and the record hasn't changed , the company is still in default and Rufus has still not hired an attorney . CSHD is still on the grey markets and no MM's have picked them up . This stock is a freaking joke and so are most of the people still hoping and praying that Rufus pulls some magical rabbit out of his azz .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by blackraven259: I am new here and am looking for a great stock that is not on the pink sheet.... any ideas???? thanks in advance!
Do yourself a favor and buy big board stocks or learn to play options . Oh yeah and stay the hell away from anyone named Rufus .
Posted by blackraven259 on :
ok.... thanks.... i am not sure what a grey sheet is, but i will watch for Rufus!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
blackraven...there is a board here called investing topics..lots of info there...I also sent you some info via PM...
Careful asking for what stock to buy...too many people will lead you down the wrong path...GLTY!
quote:Originally posted by blackraven259: I am new here and am looking for a great stock that is not on the pink sheet.... any ideas???? thanks in advance!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Before the 10K was when it peaked . It started dropping when the 10K was not filed on time . It dropped all the way down to the high 1.4x's and rebounded a little bit to around $2.00 a share before trading was suspended for 10 days . Once again , this was Rufus's doing . He even boasted about having this go through court so it would be official and the record could not be changed . Well its gone to court and the record hasn't changed , the company is still in default and Rufus has still not hired an attorney . CSHD is still on the grey markets and no MM's have picked them up . This stock is a freaking joke and so are most of the people still hoping and praying that Rufus pulls some magical rabbit out of his azz .
The biggest joke is not the people who are interested in finding out what really happened and discussing it here or those who still have a vested interest. They discuss everything that can be found.
You however seem stuck in the same rut of calling people stupid or jokes or laughing at them. You also proclaim that Rufus needs to go to jail without the evidence to back it up.
Just a little point here. I recalled that the biggest drops in the PPS were when Timothy Miles and the NY Post came out with their respective articles and internet postings OH and also the MN 1 PR.
I'm not supportive of the way that Rufus has handled anything but I'm also not ready to proclaim him guilty until I've seen all the evidence.
Wally
Posted by blackraven259 on :
Thank you for all the help! I really appreciate it alot... I love to learn!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by blackraven259: Thank you for all the help! I really appreciate it alot... I love to learn!!
If you are just starting out, it is best to paper trade for 6 months before jummping into the penny market.
This will give you an opportunity to get the feel of not only trading but finding the style of trading that suit you best.
Also Investopedia.com has a lot of good educational material and worth reading.
Good Luck to you
Wally
Posted by blackraven259 on :
Thank you... ~
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: The biggest joke is not the people who are interested in finding out what really happened and discussing it here or those who still have a vested interest. They discuss everything that can be found.
You however seem stuck in the same rut of calling people stupid or jokes or laughing at them. You also proclaim that Rufus needs to go to jail without the evidence to back it up.
Just a little point here. I recalled that the biggest drops in the PPS were when Timothy Miles and the NY Post came out with their respective articles and internet postings OH and also the MN 1 PR.
I'm not supportive of the way that Rufus has handled anything but I'm also not ready to proclaim him guilty until I've seen all the evidence.
Wally
i think some people have a hard time dealing with the fact that every single trade has a winner and a loser... being a winner in the market is measured in decades, not hours or even days...
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by blackraven259: Thank you for all the help! I really appreciate it alot... I love to learn!!
You'll learn plenty or go broke trying.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: The biggest joke is not the people who are interested in finding out what really happened and discussing it here or those who still have a vested interest. They discuss everything that can be found.
You however seem stuck in the same rut of calling people stupid or jokes or laughing at them. You also proclaim that Rufus needs to go to jail without the evidence to back it up.
Just a little point here. I recalled that the biggest drops in the PPS were when Timothy Miles and the NY Post came out with their respective articles and internet postings OH and also the MN 1 PR.
I'm not supportive of the way that Rufus has handled anything but I'm also not ready to proclaim him guilty until I've seen all the evidence.
Wally
i think some people have a hard time dealing with the fact that every single trade has a winner and a loser... being a winner in the market is measured in decades, not hours or even days...
Patience seems to be a comodity that is in short supply.
Some of my most profitable trades happened over the course of time and some potential losses turned into winners by not overreacting.
Wally
Posted by humble on :
Well, its been a few months since I popped into Allstocks and I am not too surprised to find CSHD still topping the popularity list. And even TheSource is still here telling everyone how wrong they are. Not much has changed.
The drama surrounding this thing just won't take a turn definitively to one direction or another. It is truly a lottery ticket, except that we don't know when they are having the drawing. It seems Tom Petty was right.
I couldn't help but chuckle at the same folks hanging around after all this time, talking about the same opinions as they were three months ago. I think for some this has become an issue of pride and the longer it goes on the higher the stakes.
I wonder what will happen to the naysayers if, by chance, something positive ever does come of CSHD. Will they post an equal number of times saying how they were wrong? Of course not. Will we even ever here from them again? I doubt it.
This is a feel-good dream for those who preach that this is a dead and done deal. If this eventually crashes with some finality they can walk through PennyLand (or at least their own minds) as a demigod; if it succeeds they can just walk away.
Almost comically I can point to definitive proof that this thing is not dead OR done; people are still actively following it like almost no other penny stock out there right now - after more than 7 months of being on the greys. If that is dead then I don't know what definition you are using.
The PPS is down, the topic is still divisive, the drama goes on. Facts are hard to come by and speculation has muddied the waters to the point of nearing zero visibility. And so we all hang out in CSHD limbo for awhile longer.
I hope everyone is well in their personal lives and investment endeavors. Take care.
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by thesource on :
Damn now all we need is Portman to show up for the good guys and Repoman to show up for the bad guys . It will be just like old times .....
Posted by glassman on :
"good guys"? "bad guys"? sounds like a grade B western..
do they still wear black and white hats? Posted by thesource on :
Ok , maybe its more like the bashers , pumpers and hopeless .
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Ok , maybe its more like the bashers , pumpers and hopeless .
you're right, it's hopeless. and continuous
we come here and share rumors, don't take them too seriously... if insiders come here and start offering insider info? i usually discount it as a complete lie...
Posted by a surfer on :
Nice to see you Humble.
Hope all is well.
Posted by GreenDay on :
quote:Originally posted by humble: Almost comically I can point to definitive proof that this thing is not dead OR done; people are still actively following it like almost no other penny stock out there right now - after more than 7 months of being on the greys. If that is dead then I don't know what definition you are using.
Are you saying your definitive proof is that so many are still here? I think it's cause so many lost so much and broke their own rules of trading on this one and are still looking here for hope. That's my story anyway.
Good to hear from you humble. I always enjoy your post!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Good point--I was mostly responding to the idea that "no assets" are available. In that sense, the sooner the better, I would think... If disgorgement actions are successful, unlikely that much if any would be returned to shareholders. But your point about "more evidence" is well taken...
Its you that enforced the idea on me long ago (almost a year now!) to post only facts....although I slip from time to time I try to stick by it today.
Thats why i just HAD to add your comment
It sure would be nice to pin something on whomever banked on this though. Everyone definitely wants someone to blame...in a financial sense.
gawrsh... don't know that I advocated posting "only" facts. Agreed, though, in the main, if you intend "sticking to the facts" and having discussion based on fact. Lordy knows I like my fun, too. I don't even mind the occassional, good ol' conspiracy theory...
But once it's too far afield? IMO should be on the "off-topics" forum...
Got a question, though-- are you hinting/saying/declaring that I've left the realm of fact in some post or discussment? Otherwise, am confused Posted by stocktrader22 on :
I hope this is over by end of 2007
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I hope this is over by end of 2007
there'll just be another one st22. since i've been here? i've seen a dozen or more.. this one has (by far) had the most interesting twists and turns of all of 'em tho...
we've had diamond mines,gold mines, modeling agencies(even Paris Hilton in that one), one security gadget after another, laser keyboards, gay TV, voice PC interfaces etc. etc....
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
well i dont play pennies anymore so i dont mind
i mean i am in eegi but pennies is a rarity these days, i stick in the hot stock threads mostly.
Posted by TimW on :
Told ya'll.... the animal cruelty stuff was BS... but no one ever listens to little timmy...
I feel Lee Webb getting sued pretty soon for slander.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Told ya'll.... the animal cruelty stuff was BS... but no one ever listens to little timmy...
so that brings us to the next question which is whether or not unusual pressure was really brought to bear on the County to bring the charges? i'm still at a loss to comprehend how anybody would put 17 horses on 3 acres. i did a little reading on it and it appears there are a few "stables for hire" that do it... but breeders?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Told ya'll.... the animal cruelty stuff was BS... but no one ever listens to little timmy...
so that brings us to the next question which is whether or not unusual pressure was really brought to bear on the County to bring the charges? i'm still at a loss to comprehend how anybody would put 17 horses on 3 acres. i did a little reading on it and it appears there are a few "stables for hire" that do it... but breeders?
where's the horses?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Told ya'll.... the animal cruelty stuff was BS... but no one ever listens to little timmy...
I feel Lee Webb getting sued pretty soon for slander.
Nope that would make too much sense. Almost as much as gathering evidence against CSHD to prove them guilty BEFORE halting the stock, causing doubt and indirectly being responsible for the downfall of the PPS and causing hundreds of small investors to lose money.
Who said predumed innocent before being proven guilty? Sure wasn't the SEC...Are they part of the US Gov't?
I'll get off my soap box when something happens one way or another. But, if there was some evidence against CSHD Wouldn't the SEC publish it already?
Godspeed!
Posted by wallymac on :
There one problem to that premise.
THe SEC was in touch with both Rufus and Ben before the suspension. THey asked for information and it was never supplied. Rufus wanted this to go tocourt by his own admission.
You cannot blame the SEC for that. Rufus did force their hand by not cooperating. They did the only thing they could do.
It may turn out to be wrong but it was Rufus that forced it.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
"But, if there was some evidence against CSHD Wouldn't the SEC publish it already? "
no.
Have you never followed any suspended issues before?
lol, it's these type of posts that give rise to the idea that "nothing has progressed" in Joe Retail's community of understanding...
Yet, from what I've seen, many of us have in fact learned plenty from this play...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: "But, if there was some evidence against CSHD Wouldn't the SEC publish it already? "
no.
Have you never followed any suspended issues before?
lol, it's these type of posts that give rise to the idea that "nothing has progressed" in Joe Retail's community of understanding...
Yet, from what I've seen, many of us have in fact learned plenty from this play...
You are absolutely right. I've learned a ton from this play.
I had never bothered to do any DD as to what happens with companies that are suspened by the SEC. I'm sure many still haven't.
What I did learn is that the overwhelming majority were wrong. I also learned that the SEC never admits to making a mistake. Even if the company was not at fault the SEC will not come out and say so. It is left up to the company to put out a PR.
This if nothing else has turned into a play that has provided me with a wealth of knowledge not only about how the SEC works but the market in general.
Wally
Posted by TimW on :
SEC and the market work the same as women, dont trust a single one of em.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I just saw this ojn the SEC web site and had to laugh...kind of.
From: Jack E Trullinger, Jr Sent: January 19, 2007 To: rule-comments*sec.gov Subject: File No. 4-519
Dear Ms. Nancy Morris, I have read your proposal for changes regarding the way "Pink Sheet" companies can operate. Why do these measures have to be adopted?? If this is protection for potential shareholders, WHY IS IT NOT IMMEDIATELY IMPLEMENTED?
I am in complete agreement with your ideas on this matter!
Please excuse my brevity in this matter...
This is my introduction into the stock market and I have a small position with CSHD. At first it was my investment that I was screaming about...now it seems the (who's on first, who's on second) process precedes my initial alarm. Can you please try to explain how this fiasco can continue to exist? With all of the alphabet federal agencies that have seemingly been involved for several months? Is the SEC in place to stop this type of fraud against earnest shareholders before it happens? Protect shareholders from such wrong- doing? Are they in place to have the shareholders BEST INTERESTS? This seems hardly the case at all! If not, what is their responsibility regarding these matters?? I know very little about the stock market, however, I am a comprehensive reader, and none of this story makes any sense! This story has more subplots than any TNT drama what you could EVER imagine! I am not trying to draw light on this situation...but its true! Please respond to me in some fashion, as I would greatly appreciate any insight into this situation you may be able to offer me. Thank you, Ms. Morris.
Sincerely, Jack E Trullinger, Jr.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Good point--I was mostly responding to the idea that "no assets" are available. In that sense, the sooner the better, I would think... If disgorgement actions are successful, unlikely that much if any would be returned to shareholders. But your point about "more evidence" is well taken...
Its you that enforced the idea on me long ago (almost a year now!) to post only facts....although I slip from time to time I try to stick by it today.
Thats why i just HAD to add your comment
It sure would be nice to pin something on whomever banked on this though. Everyone definitely wants someone to blame...in a financial sense.
gawrsh... don't know that I advocated posting "only" facts. Agreed, though, in the main, if you intend "sticking to the facts" and having discussion based on fact. Lordy knows I like my fun, too. I don't even mind the occassional, good ol' conspiracy theory...
But once it's too far afield? IMO should be on the "off-topics" forum...
Got a question, though-- are you hinting/saying/declaring that I've left the realm of fact in some post or discussment? Otherwise, am confused
I was just pulling your chain...not hinting/saying/declaring anything other than a good chain pulling.
Its actually a bit refreshing to see you leave that realm of fact every now and then since facts are something we are seriously short on here.
discussment? Sometimes you make it toooo easy Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: SEC and the market work the same as women, dont trust a single one of em.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: SEC and the market work the same as women, dont trust a single one of em.
Posted by glassman on :
LOL... instead of being mad at him? you should feel sorry for him Posted by milliam on :
I got my cert yesterday. I think it has the DTC number that everyone talks about. The date from the TA is 6/05/07 and the DTC date is 6/08/07.
At the top is the corporate name and under that it says 200,000,000 authorized shares. I know this isn't the o/s, but it made me wonder what the o/s is these days. I have a bad feeling that Arlitt or the TA might have raised it as some point. I do think this would be illegal.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: LOL... instead of being mad at him? you should feel sorry for him
That was my first thought LOL
Posted by new2stocks on :
I just thought the spanking smiley was funny.....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I just thought the spanking smiley was funny.....
And probably necessary Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Any news? Hey look, President Bush is pardoning all corporate criminals...Rufy is free!
OK, OK, but is was just as silly as the spanking smiley...
Godspeed!
Posted by T e x on :
yikety yike, Mr CE...lol, am still confused...
Posted by 10of13 on :
That's not that unusual is it?
quote:Originally posted by T e x: yikety yike, Mr CE...lol, am still confused...
Posted by T e x on :
LOL...
no, not at all.
takes me awhile to sort stuff out, sometimes Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..Tex...you want confusion? you should try reading some of the crud on the other boards with this stock...Lordie...talk about confusion... Posted by 10of13 on :
This has been "bugging me"... It was on the June 5th when RPH said of his "horse" troubles...the dismissal that was shown from the county was dated the 5th...right? So how could it be that the dismissal came the same day as RPH being "arrested"? And? Why did they take the horses? Has anyone seem anything saying what the dismissal was for? If The charges have been dismissed...why hasn't he posted that his horses are back? It was a couple of days AFTER the 5th that he even posted he didn't have his horses..it might not be "CSHD" related...but it is related to the supposed CEO's credibility...IMO...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: From Rufus:
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Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
member is offline
Fight for what is Right!!
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 1,363 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 1,700 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Tuesday, June 5th « Reply #610 on Today at 6:27pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My family needs your prayers really bad right now, Like never before!
I can not fully explain, serious retaliation after yesterday’s exposure of the illegal market activities!! Combined forces using illegal gov corruption!!
Heavy personal shelling inbound, the personal war has begun!!
I have passed the torch to another to finish as a precaution!!
I have done my best to inform and show you the truth of the markets and how they use them!!
Caution to all; Please be very careful with what you post, Do not put you livelihood (LLH) at risk!!
Because of crazy activities, FINAL stage of NSS elimination has began for shareholder exit!!
Should take 2-3 weeks for torch carrier to make necessary preparations for your exit
May God Bless the real shareholder victims of the MM’s
We (family) are not in physical danger (LLH), they do not use physical means, The corruption is deeply rooted, they use alternate branches to attack via corruption
WE WILL PREVAIL, To those that feel this message, my families sacrifices are for you
I will continue the fight as long as I can!!
GODSPEED and Keep your head above the water; If you feel like you are sinking please pray for guidance!!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL..Tex...you want confusion? you should try reading some of the crud on the other boards with this stock...Lordie...talk about confusion...
I bet, lol... by comparison, I imagine we are a haven of calm...
re: your questions about June 5...that bugged me, too, but had not "put my finger on it." Is it *possible* for the bureaucracy to screw up dates? Sure... In other words, is it conceivable somewhere/somehow that the authorities did not receive word that charges had been dropped--and so went ahead with the arrest orders? Sure...is possible. Probable? Likely? I guess we'd have to know more about the local conditions/sociology, etc.
However, I do stand by my earlier question: Where's the horses? now...
Posted by 10of13 on :
I've been reading on the RPH board... on June 6th RPH posted this...
Jun 6, 2007, 1:59pm, neverlate wrote: Jun 6, 2007, 1:55pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:Yes it is true, but that incident is only the tip of the iceberg of crazy stuff that happened yesterday to family members
It is a full attack
Those that know me will tell you that I love my horses as if they were my children and treated them as such
Interesting and cool stuff and all in retaliation to my post
The first time they showed up and tried this crap was 2.5 hours after my answer hit the federal court in Atlanta
Then after my exposure of the illegal trading on here they showed up with reinforcements and forced the issue, locals did not cooperate the first time, but this time they used fed’s and threaten to pull the county’s funding if they did not move!!
WHERE DO YOU STAND RIGHT NOW AS WE SPEAK, AS FAR AS THE JUDGE IS CONCERNED, AND WHAT CHARGES ARE YOU CHARGED WITH, IF ANY
16 accounts of cruelty to animals, one per horse that I had
I never even hit a cell, booked and released"
and then on the 7th...he posted this...
" Member
Member Rated: posted June 07, 2007 01:19 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Today at 12:42pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
I Had one horse die several months ago, I even posted it on the site!! She was a cribber and cribbed on a wild cherry tree!!
No conditional problems, the state tried to take them the first time, 2.5 hours on the Tuesday after the answer to the SEC’s response!!
I told them that it was not going to happen, take me to court and prove your claim!!
While they were on my property (that same Tuesday) they put some kind of feed (all grain) and brought out molded hay!!, I refused to allow them to do it, but they placed it in the field and had a state agriculture agent with written order with them to do so!!
The next day my Best stallion and an expecting mare died!!
We had UGA pick up the horses for an autopsy!! The state intercepted the results and I have not seen them to date!!
We went to court and they could not prove anything I had all records for the horses disproving the claims, and told them I was going to counter sue when the results came in for what they have done!!
After I posted on here the other day, I have been told that agents showed up at the county, and told the county that if they did not charge me their funding was at risk!!
The court case was dismissed immediately (same day) and then state and FED officials showed up and charged me!!
The key to the dismissal was to prevent the UGA autopsy results from being disclosed, they were a result of an order of the court to prove their claim!!
Yes they took the horses!!
Yes, my daughters have not stopped crying over all of this!!
People, this was the last straw for me, they can play with me all they want too but when they took my horses, it is now WAR!!
James Gee, God blessed your wife and delivered her from your evil ways, Maybe I will have a talk with her soon!!
To the rest of you with motives, I will expose everything you have done before this is over!!
Yes, I have recently spoken with the SEC and they now want to discuss a settlement!!
I have 6 witnesses to all of this, and not all family but neighbors as well, who showed up to support!!"
Sooo..that dismissal that was shown(stamped June 5th) was from the first time they tried to charge RPH...NOT the next time...and the charges are still pending from what I can gather... Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex? I think the county still has the horses...not RPH...
Posted by T e x on :
by your dates, here? bureaucratic screw-up seems less likely...
any "news" re the "lease-law" thingee?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex...it was leash law...not lease law... and no...I haven't ran across anything on that...but that is usually a "fine"...nothing more...
Posted by T e x on :
sorry, Leash-Law...
Posted by 10of13 on :
This is from his above post made on the 7th... Yes, I have recently spoken with the SEC and they now want to discuss a settlement!!
I wonder why we haven't heard anything else...seems something could have been "discussed" in the past 2 weeks...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex...it was leash law...not lease law... and no...I haven't ran across anything on that...but that is usually a "fine"...nothing more...
ya...thanks--tried to correct in follow-up post, but you already had...
am simply wondering...could the cases be confused, somehow?
Posted by 10of13 on :
I think that June 5th dismissal (that was posted on the other boards) was from his reference to the first time that he was charged...and the county dismissed it right away..but then he made a suggestion about "other authorities" coming in and insisting that he be charged...and so he was...and the horses were taken...(that part Webb wrote on)...I can find no where that the AC charges have been dropped and horses returned...
Posted by glassman on :
those letters are FINALLY paying off.... somewhere in all of this? the FTD issue will wash out too... Criminal Probe Snares Morgan Stanley VP A stock-loan investigation has prompted one executive to resign. Individuals at Bear Stearns and Janney Montgomery Scott are also under scrutiny
by Matthew Goldstein
June 20, 2007, 6:08PM EST
The fallout from a long-running criminal investigation into improprieties in the stock-lending business is starting to hit some of Wall Street's biggest firms. Earlier this week, a Morgan Stanley (MS) vice-president resigned after his name arose in conjunction with the inquiry into a complex kickback scheme involving the lending of stock to hedge funds and other short-sellers. Resignations at other Wall Street investment houses could soon follow as federal prosecutors get closer to filing criminal charges, according to people familiar with the matter.
In May, BusinessWeek reported that federal investigators are nearing the end of an 18-month probe of the murky world of stock lending. Investigators are examining allegations that employees working on the stock-loan desks of some of the biggest Wall Street firms accepted improper cash payment and other gratuities for referring work to so-called stock-loan finders—middlemen who help firms get their hands on hard-to-borrow shares (see BusinessWeek.com, 5/17/07, "The Crackdown on Stock-Loan Schemes").
The investigators believe that many of these middlemen did little work to justify their fees. But to keep the referrals coming, the middlemen would split their fees with the employees of the Wall Street firms who had hired them.
Resignation Confirmed
So far, federal prosecutors have secured guilty pleas from three confidential witnesses in the case and are expected to file charges in July against as many as a dozen current and former Wall Street employees, say sources familiar with the investigation. The individuals drawing the most scrutiny are ones who either currently or formerly worked at Bear Stearns (BSC), Janney Montgomery Scott, and Morgan Stanley.
The Morgan Stanley vice-president, Peter Sherlock, a 13-year veteran, resigned on June 18, say people familiar with the investigation. Telephone calls for Sherlock were referred to a Morgan Stanley spokesman, who declined to comment. Sherlock's lawyer, John Wallenstein, a Mineola (N.Y.) criminal defense attorney, confirmed his client had resigned, but declined to say why. Wallenstein pointed out that Sherlock has not been charged with any wrongdoing. "I know there is an investigation by the Eastern District of New York," Wallenstein says, referring to federal prosecutors in Brooklyn, N.Y. "I know the SEC is looking at it too." A spokesman for Roslynn Mauskopf, U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, declined to comment. An SEC spokesman also wouldn't comment.
Stock Loans' Mysterious Ways
Securities lending is a large, but little-understood business for Wall Street. Investment banks rake in roughly $10 billion a year on the fees they collect for lending stocks and bonds to short-sellers, hedge funds, and other professional traders who bet on falling prices. But the prices charged by Wall Street firms for borrowing stock—particularly for shares of small-cap securities—has been something of a mystery. Hedge fund managers often complain about the lack of predictability in the prices big Wall Street firms charge for borrowing stock. Investigators believe the alleged kickback scheme drove up the borrowing costs for hedge funds and may have cost the funds millions of dollars in additional fees.
In a classic short sale, a trader borrows shares from an investment firm and sells them. If the stock falls as expected, the short-seller can pay back the loan and make a profit by repurchasing the shares at a lower price. When the investment firms don't have enough shares in their inventory, they sometimes seek out independent finders, who work the phones, calling friends, relatives, and buddies at other stock-loan desks to make up the difference. But investigators believe finders often aren't providing a legitimate service.
and maybe? sometimes? not even providing legit shares?
Interesting read glassman...
Posted by glassman on :
just interesting so far...
still waiting on 'em to require routing information so that we can tell where our shares came from and the daily short interest on any given stock.
we can figger out the OS, and guess the float pretty close, but we can't know the short?
they know the short.... that's the brokers edge...
not to mention the fees they charge to lend out OUR stock...
Posted by SherriT on :
I cannot believe it is nearly a year later and my buddies are STILL hanging out on the CSHD thread....I lost a chunk of money, but I "bought a good lesson" and made some good friends with it.
Totally cool with that. Best wishes everyone!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: LOL...
no, not at all.
takes me awhile to sort stuff out, sometimes
What I meant was....instead of actually giving you a hard time I was just joking. Dont get used to it though, im bound to give you a hard time again someday. Posted by milliam on :
10, it seems like you've got it figured out. From your DD, I would say that there is still a federal case against RPH for the animal cruelty. You would think it wouldn't be too hard to find info on such a case though.
And about his horses...he said at one point, that they told them he could have them back, but that he would have to pay them for the horses. I don't know if this meant pay for the upkeep, or a fine, or what. RPH stated there was no way he'd buy his horses back or something to that matter.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: 10, it seems like you've got it figured out. From your DD, I would say that there is still a federal case against RPH for the animal cruelty. You would think it wouldn't be too hard to find info on such a case though.
And about his horses...he said at one point, that they told them he could have them back, but that he would have to pay them for the horses. I don't know if this meant pay for the upkeep, or a fine, or what. RPH stated there was no way he'd buy his horses back or something to that matter.
Just a guess but id say you are probably right regarding the upkeep cost. He is probably responsible for paying boarding fees and food for the entire time the horses have been out of his possession. Its probably not a small fee either.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I think that June 5th dismissal (that was posted on the other boards) was from his reference to the first time that he was charged...and the county dismissed it right away..but then he made a suggestion about "other authorities" coming in and insisting that he be charged...and so he was...and the horses were taken...(that part Webb wrote on)...I can find no where that the AC charges have been dropped and horses returned...
That is how I had understood at it as well....
Posted by 10of13 on :
yeah...i have come to the conclusion...that RPH's "grand plan" is to ride the shirt tales of some of these other stocks that are making an issue with all the shorting and what not...hence all of the delays in his "plan"...
When another company, that has a lawyer, finds their way to get "retribution" for the NSS and such...RPH will do the same...IMO..that's "his plan"...
quote:Originally posted by glassman: just interesting so far...
still waiting on 'em to require routing information so that we can tell where our shares came from and the daily short interest on any given stock.
we can figger out the OS, and guess the float pretty close, but we can't know the short?
they know the short.... that's the brokers edge...
not to mention the fees they charge to lend out OUR stock...
Posted by T e x on :
rph seems to be conceding he's *not* the current CEO...anybody else seeing that?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: rph seems to be conceding he's *not* the current CEO...anybody else seeing that?
Are you reading his board Tex or is that in reference to something else?
It sorta looks to me like he is saying there IS no corporation.
Part of his comment....regarding are we an active operating corporation.
Rufus - "Call the Transfer Agent and ask Him under what authority is he operating on behalf of the company!! If he answers you then tell him to give you a phone number and name of someone to reach!! Try to Get a phone number of the corporation!! Call Alana and ask her does she have a phone number to the office of CSHD, or does even know how to get in touch with someone of authority of CSHD!!"
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
OT : For anyone that follows Mark Faulk. I'll bet it gets interesting.
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Then, on the Faulking Truth X2 on TogiNet this Saturday from 10-11 AM CST, Paul and Mark Faulk will be discussing CEO (over)compensation, and we'll be joined by Tiffanie Reynolds, a staunch conservative, who will share her views on the stem cell research bill just vetoed by President Bush. Because she suffers from Lupus (and works in the medical field), her viewpoint is both personal and relevant, and she has no qualms about speaking out.
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THE FAULKING TRUTH X2 10:00 – 11:00 AM CST SATURDAYS
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: From your DD, I would say that there is still a federal case against RPH for the animal cruelty. You would think it wouldn't be too hard to find info on such a case though.
Animal cruelty is not a federal case , its a state or county issue .
Posted by 10of13 on :
Cat? I was trying to "read the info" from the RPH board and everything got zapped... Can you send me a PM what was said or discussed I saw some of your posts that were gone...TIA
Posted by wallymac on :
I thought it was just me but I was in the middle of reading it to and then it was gone.
I'm not sure what Rufus is really saying there but what else is new.
This thing just gets crazier and crazier everyday.
GLTA Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally...I was "getting"...that there was no corp...call the "ta" and ask for a number to reach the corp...there is none...Ask Alana Black...there is no Corp...that's some of what I was "getting"/reading...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Cat? I was trying to "read the info" from the RPH board and everything got zapped... Can you send me a PM what was said or discussed I saw some of your posts that were gone...TIA
I wish i could 10. I posted a couple of questions to Rufus and Stockprophet, then I went to catch up on some earlier stuff and poof..gone. I know my last 3 posts are gone and some are saying 26 pages, basically the whole day.
Stockprophet is reposting the stuff now
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wally...I was "getting"...that there was no corp...call the "ta" and ask for a number to reach the corp...there is none...Ask Alana Black...there is no Corp...that's some of what I was "getting"/reading...
Thats kinda what i was getting too. Hes pointing out that business is going on like usual....hard certs, still trading...etc, but no one is actually leading all of it. Im not getting his point but it looks like this is what he is saying to me.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: rph seems to be conceding he's *not* the current CEO...anybody else seeing that?
Are you reading his board Tex or is that in reference to something else?
It sorta looks to me like he is saying there IS no corporation.
Part of his comment....regarding are we an active operating corporation.
Rufus - "Call the Transfer Agent and ask Him under what authority is he operating on behalf of the company!! If he answers you then tell him to give you a phone number and name of someone to reach!! Try to Get a phone number of the corporation!! Call Alana and ask her does she have a phone number to the office of CSHD, or does even know how to get in touch with someone of authority of CSHD!!"
no, I'm not reading that board, but a supporter at i-hub posted:
quote:Question: If there is no operating company, how can it still be trading?
RPH:"Weigh the facts and answer that with knowledge!!
Do we have an active phone number right now??
Can you call an officer, real or not??
Do we have an office??
Has the corporation put out any PR's other that, I am gone, No I am Back, Gone again then Back again!!
Call the Transfer Agent and ask Him under what authority is he operating on behalf of the company!! If he answers you then tell him to give you a phone number and name of someone to reach!! Try to Get a phone number of the corporation!! Call Alana and ask her does she have a phone number to the office of CSHD, or does even know how to get in touch with someone of authority of CSHD!!
How does every thing go on as if nothing has happened?? Grey sheet Trading, Transfer Agent sending out HCC’s, and so on ect……
When you have the answer to that, then you have the TRUTH!!
It's almost painful to watch...
At any rate, if the context here is as seems, the ball *is* definitely in the BOD's court, and they have a directive from the bylaws to appoint a new CEO.
Interesting...no merger and now, apparently, no CEO. Have been wondering about that for quite awhile...
Posted by glassman on :
Interesting...no merger and now, apparently, no CEO. Have been wondering about that for quite awhile...
yep, the merger only went half-way.....
Posted by 10of13 on :
This post might not make sence..but it is what RPH posted today...
What recent position did a well paid adviser for the largest locater of short able corporations hold with the SEC?
It was posted here!!!
________________________________________
The SEC was going to prove their cases in 10 days remember!!
________________________________________
EX-Chairman
How is it legal for a Ex-law maker to profit from questionable activity in the market place!!
In other words;
How is it legal for an Ex-Law maker to make profits from activity when victims of the activity lose large sums of their money!!
Sounds like house tactics in Vegas to me!!
Put another dollar in and pull the handle, maybe one time you will hit it BIG!!
Or in other words;
It would compare to President Clinton advising an importer on foreign trade policy with the USA, maybe even negotiating the terms of the agreement!!
________________________________________
No Phat, why else would I put the documents into a legal system months before this happened, so If anything happens then the documents could not be manipulated or disposed of, to include the passports of the Vens!!
Look for only the Truths!! If you look for something other than what has been provided you are on a wild goose chase!!
Hope that helps, If not ask in another way!!
________________________________________
Weigh the facts and answer that with knowledge!!
Do we have an active phone number right now??
Can you call an officer, real or not??
Do we have an office??
Has the corporation put out any PR's other that, I am gone, No I am Back, Gone again then Back again!!
Call the Transfer Agent and ask Him under what authority is he operating on behalf of the company!! If he answers you then tell him to give you a phone number and name of someone to reach!! Try to Get a phone number of the corporation!! Call Alana and ask her does she have a phone number to the office of CSHD, or does even know how to get in touch with someone of authority of CSHD!!
How does every thing go on as if nothing has happened?? Grey sheet Trading, Transfer Agent sending out HCC’s, and so on ect……
When you have the answer to that, then you have the TRUTH!!
________________________________________
Things that make you go Hmmmmmmmm!!!!
Better one; The Market!!
Different direction;
Why would they allow hundred of millions of share to trade in a corporation that has less that 31 million tradable shares after the CEO posted the legal information on the web site!! dont forget the PR"S
________________________________________
I told them (them is Atlanta SEC and Georgia) to go and get the documentation from the Bartow files online, public knowledge. You see I asked for them to make it an official response not a nonofficial non public request for information!!Their questions and concerns needed to be asked and answered in SEC Edgar filings!! For all to SEE!! Not behind close doors!!I went threw that with BBAN the old not official non public request, the next move is the front guys then apply full court press and start bringing court cases and squeezing money out of you through attorneys!! It goes on for years and all the time they are pressuring the price down!!
Same Snake different Head!!
Look I even asked the FBI (DOJ) to investigate this and they told me with a witness present that they were to busy to look into it (blue collar crime), they were working full court press on terrorism
Well DOJ People, I feel that Financial Terrorism is just as important if not more so, because it is from within!!
________________________________________
if money is flowing to fund activities that are against what the US supports or threatens our security and treason in a time of war, where is Homeland Security in all this!!
Great question!!
________________________________________
They claimed that an issuer could not halt its own issuance!! Go SUM that up
There are Laws, Rule and Regulations that allow an issuer to call for a halt, going all the way into the state of incorporations rules and regulation against market manipulation!!
Hence why Nevada and Delaware registered corporation are the largest publicly traded, When the ship sinks that will be found to be a big clue!! But as normal after the fact!!
________________________________________
Rufus, I understand that the whole system is corrupt and all but it drives me crazy that I can't figure out exactly how you are going to get them to stop. Bringing all these entities down is a larger task than I can fathom.
It is so simple stupid, that after the fact you will go, Oh now I See!!
________________________________________
Don't forget that People with Washington relationships were named to bring in the Ven Bonds!! Sabra!!
Don't forget after Steven Signed the Finland and L Brothers GFC (Global Funding Contracts), Old Stock Lemon and Our Street had a C&D from Steven posted on their site with no knowledge to us at all!!
Thing that don’t make you go Hmmmmmm
________________________________________
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Almost painful Tex? You have a high threshold for pain.
Thats a good analysis of his context. But, this would just be another thing that he is APPEARING to be sitting back waiting for. He wont directly answer the friggin question.
Posted by T e x on :
wouldn't inspire confidence, in my book... Posted by T e x on :
wally on SPR, now... Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Is this Wallyradio? Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Rufus has a mental disease, he is very delusional and imagines he can overpower federal agencies.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Rufus has a mental disease, he is very delusional and imagines he can overpower federal agencies.
He's definately a few beers short of a 6 pack .....
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Is this Wallyradio?
Sorry didn't mean it too be.
But that's what happens when you have had one or two tooo many.
Where's 10 and BB when you need them.
GLTA Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Rufus has a mental disease, he is very delusional and imagines he can overpower federal agencies.
He's definately a few beers short of a 6 pack .....
What you talking about Source? I might be a couple of beers short of a case but definately not a couple short of a six pack.
Man get a grip
GLTA Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Sweet dreams Wally
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Is this Wallyradio?
Sorry didn't mean it too be.
But that's what happens when you have had one or two tooo many.
Where's 10 and BB when you need them.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
lol, wally...the reference was to Rufus
Posted by wallymac on :
Oh, by the way, I'm not so out of it that I don't understand that Rufus is now trying to have things both ways.
In the words or Emimen, will the real CEO please stand up. PLEASE STAND UP.
Rufus has billed himself as the ONLY and REAL CEO of CSHD and now it "SEEMS" he is backing off that.
Man Rufus, Stand up and be a man.
Did you do it or was it memorex?
Please somebody that has access to his website ask that question.
In fact post exactly what I have posted. I want them to call me a basher because all here know I'm not, right source?
OT: Watch PNMS tommorrow and IFSL tommorrow and next week.
GLTA Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Sweet dreams Wally
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Is this Wallyradio?
Sorry didn't mean it too be.
But that's what happens when you have had one or two tooo many.
Where's 10 and BB when you need them.
GLTA Wally
Thank You!!!!!!!!!!!!! They will be now.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, wally...the reference was to Rufus
Heck, Him and his Jack Daniels and me and my beer and Brandy, whos really knows the difference, Not ME.
As long as I didn't make a fool of myself, or if I did who cares, NO PROBLEM.
Wally
Posted by T e x on :
beer n brandy? lol...explains how you forgot about "keeping a journal"
shoot, I miss K-train...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Is this Wallyradio?
Sorry didn't mean it too be.
But that's what happens when you have had one or two tooo many.
Where's 10 and BB when you need them.
GLTA Wally
Hey no problem Wally, you were on a roll Unfortunately the "other board" crashed me twice so I missed some of it.
Posted by Sandusky on :
What he said was that as soon as the SEC stuff started he ordered all the officer's out and operations to stop, then asked the court to halt trading and cited some applicable regs stating that the issuer can do that. He says it should not have traded since then, but since it has that's more evidence the bad guys are driving.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky: What he said was that as soon as the SEC stuff started he ordered all the officer's out and operations to stop, then asked the court to halt trading and cited some applicable regs stating that the issuer can do that. He says it should not have traded since then, but since it has that's more evidence the bad guys are driving.
Sandusky,
He also stated that a few months BEFORE THE SUSPENSION he requested a halt & they denied it.....
They = SEC or Nasdaq (can't remember)...
Posted by Jenna on :
Anybody know why this is listed on pink sheets . com?
Current Capital Change: shs decreased by 1 for 5 split Ex-Date: Record Date: Pay Date: 2004-08-26
whats the surprise? is it new or something?
Posted by Jenna on :
St22,
Don't understand that...
I've never seen that before & what are they talking about a split?
I thought I saw someone post something on Rufus' site yesterday that a split showed up in their E-trade account for those same dates....(I think the person said e-trade)....now that's showing up on pinksheets....
As far as I know there was never a split....& the year is '04???...just confused....nothing new for me...LOL
Posted by luvforever on :
Jenna pm!~
Posted by Bittermac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: St22,
Don't understand that...
I've never seen that before & what are they talking about a split?
I thought I saw someone post something on Rufus' site yesterday that a split showed up in their E-trade account for those same dates....(I think the person said e-trade)....now that's showing up on pinksheets....
As far as I know there was never a split....& the year is '04???...just confused....nothing new for me...LOL
Hi Jenna! The CSHD site is doing maintenance and I can't get in! I was in the middle of a DD bender! Or, at least, I was enjoying it. I have had more fun on that board in the last week than in the last year. I saw the thing on splits, but I remember thinking that it looked like it but wasn't. I don't remember why.
Posted by Bittermac on :
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky: What he said was that as soon as the SEC stuff started he ordered all the officer's out and operations to stop, then asked the court to halt trading and cited some applicable regs stating that the issuer can do that. He says it should not have traded since then, but since it has that's more evidence the bad guys are driving.
He said he had the TA request the SEC stop it.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Anybody know why this is listed on pink sheets . com?
Current Capital Change: shs decreased by 1 for 5 split Ex-Date: Record Date: Pay Date: 2004-08-26
This forum is in maintenance mode. Currently, only staff members may log in.
Posted by T e x on :
btw, on this "voluntary halt" or "requested suspension" -- however it might be termed -- doesn't it seem likely that almost *any* company headed to the greys would invoke such a clause?
I can't say with any certainty that no such regs exist, but it sure seems like they would be invoked if they *do* exist.
lol, I know for sure GVRP would've invoked such regs...they put out a PR begging/pleading/demanding: "DON'T TRADE THIS STOCK!"
The next day *billions* of shares traded...
Posted by Jenna on :
Ok- Some very nice person (you know who you are)...said that everyone is back at (the default) site we went to last time the site was closed....
Apparently someone said that Rufus posted a few times today then his last post was something like:
Enjoy Nature & Enjoy the Weekend.....
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ok- Some very nice person (you know who you are)...said that everyone is back at (the default) site we went to last time the site was closed....
Apparently someone said that Rufus posted a few times today then his last post was something like:
Enjoy Nature & Enjoy the Weekend.....
Well, not everyone... "CSHD Members Forum :: Maintenance Mode Enabled Maintenance Mode Enabled Sorry, you have been banned from this forum."
LOL .
Posted by T e x on :
apparently Lee Webb questions the "dismissal" of the horse cruelty charges; have edited in ital for clarity of distinguishing posts:
quote:Posted by: Lee Webb In reply to: mastaflash who wrote msg# 150651 Date:6/22/2007 5:55:59 PM Post #of 150660
Mastaflash:
I feel soiled just being in the same country with you!
Perhaps that soiled feeling comes from being caught trying to pass this document off as a dismissal of the animal cruelty charges against Rufus Paul Harris:
Again, was Mr. Harris responsible for that misrepresentation or did you come up with it on your own?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Lee lwebb***********.com
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Apparently someone said that Rufus posted a few times today then his last post was something like:
Enjoy Nature & Enjoy the Weekend.....
Good old Rufus and his words of wisdom . Wasn't he the one that told us to take a 2 week camping trip and when we came back everything would be good or something along thos lines . Good thing I didn't wait for the alls clear signal before coming back from the trip .
Posted by glassman on :
i think he had another type of trip in mind source....
Posted by T e x on :
riddle me this...
Posted by Jenna on :
three word train?
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus just posted this:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Board will be shut down over the weekend June 23-24
The Board will open again on Monday June 25!!
The Board will be in Read Only Mode for the weekend
Fell free to read up on Old Post!!
GOD Bless and GODSPEED
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hi everyone!
I have been without a computer for a LONG time. I really miss chatting with ya all!!!
Borrowing one now {while visiting} So thought I'd say HI. and
Good night to all and to all a good night!!! {i've missed typing that- ha-ha}
Posted by Jenna on :
From what I've seen its nothing new, sadly. Though I might've missed something. All I see thats "new" is the PRs and SEC Filings are listed on the site.
Posted by Jenna on :
Dallas posted this on Rufus' site.....(remove spaces)
http: //75.126.3.206/mp3/John_gittle_062207. mp3
Listen to it!!! It is from Friday....
The last sentence that is said on this news broadcast is this:
".....If they had all of these Naked Shorts....& Fedelity has to cover them...... You penny stock people out there that have been praying for this day....guess what??.... IT JUST CAME!!!" Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Rufus' site back up.....
From what I've seen its nothing new, sadly. Though I might've missed something. All I see thats "new" is the PRs and SEC Filings are listed on the site.
2 new sections & one that was removed....the "Shareholder update form" (removed)...
Posted by Igor R on :
No volume today? Thats odd compared to the last week of trading.
Posted by NEL on :
quote: ".....If they had all of these Naked Shorts....& Fedelity has to cover them...... You penny stock people out there that have been praying for this day....guess what??.... IT JUST CAME!!!" [/QB]
What do YOU ALL think this means?
Posted by GreenDay on :
Down to .001 - Down over 87% today ?
Did I miss something today?
Posted by Igor R on :
Anyone see over a million in volume disappear? It went from nearly 5 million to 3.9 million.
Posted by milliam on :
Yeah, there's been a few volume fluctuations today. Back above 8 million now.
Posted by Igor R on :
Almost 10 million now. At these price levels there doesn't seem to be a reason to sell (make almost no money anyway), nor a reason to buy (no positive indicators at all saying "buy"). Whats the deal ?
Posted by TimW on :
LOL alot of activity for a dead scam stock dont ya think.
Posted by wallymac on :
SEC Unites to Fend Off Accusations « H E » *** Exclusive :: email posted Tuesday, 26 June 2007 Sherri Snyder *** Staff Writer
DALLAS (June 26, 2007) -- For the first time in over a decade, all five members of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) are testifying together in a hearing today at 2 p.m. EDT. The commission, summoned by Congress, is expected to defend itself against accusations that its focus has shifted toward business interests and away from the individual investors, and to respond to public outcry surrounding continual short selling.
SEC Chairman Christopher Cox and Commissioners Paul S. Atkins, Roel C. Campos, Annette L. Nazareth, and Kathleen L. Casey are set to gather before the House Committee on Financial Services regarding numerous regulatory issues.
An issue expected to be addressed in the hearing is the concern surrounding foul short selling and unrest among investors.
"The commission is eager to discuss its investor protection efforts - past, present and future," John Nester, SEC spokesman, said in a statement. "We have a great investor protection story to tell and we're happy to tell it."
Last week the commission voted unanimously to adopt amendments to build muscle for Rule 105 of Regulation M, which helps prevent abusive short selling and market manipulation. The rule ensures that offering prices are set by the natural wave of supply and demand for the securities being offered, rather than by a manipulative hand.
According to a press release regarding the vote, the amendments replace the rule's current limitation on covering the short sales in the offering with a prohibition on purchasing in the offering after a short sale in the securities.
The change was in response to continual non-compliance with Rule 105. Under the new rule, if a person sells short during the period prior to pricing, that person will no longer be able to purchase the offered security. However, to ensure the rule does not "unduly" limit the possible purchasers in follow-on and secondary offerings a restricted period short seller is permitted to participate in an offering if they make a legitimate purchase prior to the offering.
And its not just short selling at the table today - the SEC will discuss a variety of regulation and policy issues, including the pending securities lawsuit before the Supreme Court in which commissioners sided with investors still fighting the Enron scandal. The 3 to 2 vote was stomped by the Bush administration declining to side with investors in lawsuits involving investment banks, attorneys or vendors entwined in "fraudulent" activity.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Wow, very nice Wally. Now, I wonder this....had Congress already ordered this hearing before those very people recently voted the grandfather clause out? I'll bet they knew this was coming and voting the way they did will stand up well for them in this hearing. IMO of course.
edit : now that I think about it, some of the folks over at the other board were listening in on the SEC stuff today.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Wow, very nice Wally. Now, I wonder this....had Congress already ordered this hearing before those very people recently voted the grandfather clause out? I'll bet they knew this was coming and voting the way they did will stand up well for them in this hearing. IMO of course.
edit : now that I think about it, some of the folks over at the other board were listening in on the SEC stuff today.
They hear anything interesting?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Wow, very nice Wally. Now, I wonder this....had Congress already ordered this hearing before those very people recently voted the grandfather clause out? I'll bet they knew this was coming and voting the way they did will stand up well for them in this hearing. IMO of course.
edit : now that I think about it, some of the folks over at the other board were listening in on the SEC stuff today.
They hear anything interesting?
I didnt see anything, but i didnt go through all of the pages either. Ive learned to skim
Kinda lengthy so stuck with link
Posted by a surfer on :
Staggering figures........
The initiatives underway at the Commission have a common theme: they are aimed at benefiting investors whose returns are dependent on healthy, well-functioning markets. This is the SEC’s traditional responsibility. Back in Joseph Kennedy’s day, our first SEC Chairman was amazed that “one person in every ten” owned stocks. But today, more than half of all households own securities.
In fact, when one considers the staggering growth in Americans’ participation in the markets, the enormity of the SEC’s task becomes apparent. About 3,600 staff at the SEC are responsible for overseeing more than 10,000 publicly traded companies, more than 10,000 investment advisers that manage more than $37 trillion in assets, nearly 1,000 fund complexes, 6,000 broker-dealers with 172,000 branches, and the $44 trillion worth of trading conducted each year on America’s stock and options exchanges.
Nothing on Naked shorting in there....hmmmmmmmm
Thanks Catia.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Staggering figures........
The initiatives underway at the Commission have a common theme: they are aimed at benefiting investors whose returns are dependent on healthy, well-functioning markets. This is the SEC’s traditional responsibility. Back in Joseph Kennedy’s day, our first SEC Chairman was amazed that “one person in every ten” owned stocks. But today, more than half of all households own securities.
In fact, when one considers the staggering growth in Americans’ participation in the markets, the enormity of the SEC’s task becomes apparent. About 3,600 staff at the SEC are responsible for overseeing more than 10,000 publicly traded companies, more than 10,000 investment advisers that manage more than $37 trillion in assets, nearly 1,000 fund complexes, 6,000 broker-dealers with 172,000 branches, and the $44 trillion worth of trading conducted each year on America’s stock and options exchanges.
Nothing on Naked shorting in there....hmmmmmmmm
Thanks Catia.
I don't but it sure sounds like he is saying that the don't have the manpower to do anything about NSS or much else for that matter.
Just my take
GLTA Wally
Posted by a surfer on :
no question Wally... 44,000,000,000,000 divided by 3600 = Not enough people watching our money.
actually thats $1,222,222,222 per person.................
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: no question Wally... 44,000,000,000,000 divided by 3600 = Not enough people watching our money.
actually thats $1,222,222,222 per person.................
Heck, If that's the case, I sell everything send me my money.
LOL
Wally
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Yea, their testimony almost reminds me of a newspaper article about a local high school football team.
Although we have a strong and dedicated Coaching staff we should mention that the Quarterback is currently out with a groin injury, our star Fullback is at 50% due to the flu and the kicker has an ingrown toenail on his kicking foot.
Maybe Congress will see it that way and decide to get some relief players in there....and maybe they will even give the coaching staff another season to get their heads on straight. Posted by milliam on :
I listened to a good bit of the hearing, but it was just in the background while I worked. The one thing I do seem to remember though is that the SEC was asked a couple of different ways if they had enough power and if they needed help from Congress. Each time Cox said they were in good shape. He did say that things were good now, but that didn't mean they shouldn't be proactive.
The numbers are pretty staggering, but from what Cox seemed to be saying, he felt like they could handle it? Maybe I just heard that wrong or the question was something else. I was mainly listening for the NSS buzz words.
Posted by a surfer on :
If the SEC would hire about 10 mafia personell the NSS issue would come to a stand still.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
This may have been asked BUT...If the SEC is busy with this, is there a time limit on the CSHD case set by the GA court? Can the judge throw the case out?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: This may have been asked BUT...If the SEC is busy with this, is there a time limit on the CSHD case set by the GA court? Can the judge throw the case out?
Time limit for the SEC ? CSHD is the one who's failed to answer in court .
What happened to that exit point for the shareholders that was suppose to happen in 2 weeks according to Dufus ?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: This may have been asked BUT...If the SEC is busy with this, is there a time limit on the CSHD case set by the GA court? Can the judge throw the case out?
Time limit for the SEC ? CSHD is the one who's failed to answer in court .
What happened to that exit point for the shareholders that was suppose to happen in 2 weeks according to Dufus ?
The word over at the other board is that it was 2-3 weeks and this week is the 3rd. I can already see the tension building over there and by Friday I believe its going to get ugly.
Posted by thesource on :
Yeah , well given the PPS of the stock , I'd say you guys have something to be pissed about . Its tradingly sub penny now .
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Still has entertainment value though.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
By chance does anyone still have those "Paltalk scrolls" from last year? The ones where Lonestartrader was trying to "get the word" out to the masses?
Posted by T e x on :
emphasis, mine...
quote: BK NEWS: Corey Ribotsky and his associated funds just filed a motion to dismiss the NCVT BK case in Austin.
"Motion by creditor to dismiss" filed June 26. This means we have 20 calendar days to file an objection. If we do, the case stays open and Judge will set a "first meeting."
This case is currently marked as Chapter 7 - NO ASSET
If we do nothing, the case is closed.
At the "first meeting," the trustee will meet with the debtor to determine if there are any assets. If the trustee finds evidence of assets, he will write an Asset Report. At that time we will be able to file claims, as creditors, for monies owed via fraud.
So we must file an objection to the motion to dismiss.
Personal spin: I find it very interesting that the largest creditor, Corey/AJW et al, does not wish to see this case investigated. So did the clerk.
Hey Tex, Rufus posted this today...among other things.
"All of the evidence is matter of records, until you see something like 8888 Acquisition Corp appear short time SEC.GOV history but BIG background of shareholder lost!!"
I mention this because 8888 Acquisition Corp can be tracked back to Glenn Little. If that name sounds familiar to you its because you recently discussed this guy, or at least one of his companies in the "Pending reverse splits" section I believe. Im looking into the guy and it looks like he is another one of those shell merger guys.
Posted by T e x on :
he has one up today...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ahhh ok, maybe im seeing the "connect the dots" story on Glenn Little. This DD is shamefully stolen from cdawg over at the other board. I find it interesting, especially because William Tay finds his way on the scene again.
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"Halter shows up fairly frequently as well in association with companies tied to Glenn Little. "
"The pattern seems to be that:
1) Glenn Little buys his way into a majority ownership of a broke shell of a company via purchasing restricted shares 2) Little subsequently sells the shell to Timothy Halter and Halter is left as the sole surviving officer of the shell. He then, according to him, brokers the shell as a reverse merger target.
Little has the upfont money and Halter is left with the shell. The pattern repeats itself across many companies tied to these guys. How does Little fit in? Why would Halter's company not just go acquire the shell for themselves rather than get Little involved? Maybe Little finds them on his own and sells them up to Halter?
Here's a long shot on why the business of selling shells is so profitable. The shells are marketed to fools like Mike Alexander who bite on the allure of a reorganization and subsequent hype that will boost the share price. But the shell isn't cheap, he needs money and in walks the toxic financiers. The toxic funding is in place, the merger proceeds and the pump-and-dump is on. The rest is history. And who is left holding the bag as CEO? Seems almost too easy, doesn't it?
I'll say it again, the wording in some of the filings for these companies reads almost identically to those that Tay deals with - maybe boilerplate. Either way, Halter and Tay seem to be in the exact same business.
Here is a bit on Halter:
Mr. Halter is the founder and CEO of Halter Financial Group, a private equity and financial consulting firm with offices in Dallas, Los Angeles and Shanghai. Mr. Halter is also the founder and co-Managing Director of the Halter USX China Index and on the board of DXP Enterprises, Inc. a Nasdaq listed distribution company."
"WIlliam Tay shows up on Edgar in the summer of 2003. He also reports as Tay William.
Tay and Halter are not strangers: Donar Enterprises.
Donar was set up in 2001 to (does this sound familiar or what?):
The Company's initial business plan was to provide the conversion and filing of various documents prepared in accordance with either the Securities Act of 1933, as amended, or the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as amended, for small to mid-sized public companies with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) electronically through EDGAR, the SEC's Electronic Data Gathering, Analysis, and Retrieval system.
By the end of 2003 the majority shareholder was William Tay. By 2005 the company was controlled by none other then Timothy P. Halter. What a small world..."
Tay and Halter met up again in 2005 on Playlogic Entertainment, Inc. This time Tay's son Michael was also involved. Halter ended up with the company, as usual.
Seemed like William Tay was someone to watch. Did he learn his trade from Timothy Halter?
Posted by T e x on :
As far as I know, Halter is known for succesful r/ms... Little seems to be in charge of at least a few that are late in filings and have had corporate charter revoked... you might find more on halter at PQL Research, I dunno...
what's the point, though? Is Harris trying to say Furia was not aware of financing with AJW?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Tay is on the FHAL/CVSU merger agreement and is all over the 7/31 8k filing so I wonder if Tay was involved with either FHAL or CVSU before the merger or if he just put the merger together. The point Harris is trying to make about 8888 Acquisition Corp? No idea.
Posted by glassman on :
you are starting to wonder about Ribotsky too Tex?
been scratching my head over him for a long time....
Posted by T e x on :
well, my earlier post is about Corey/AJW not pursuing debt... I think that *is* pertinent...
btw, i-hub has a new thread devoted to Halter Financial...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: you are starting to wonder about Ribotsky too Tex?
been scratching my head over him for a long time....
starting? lol, that "ignored" loan was a chicken bone in my throat the first time I read it...remember when that guy "RCA" showed up posting here about his hiacked company? That was the "Netco" in that post re creditor & bk proceedings.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: well, my earlier post is about Corey/AJW not pursuing debt... I think that *is* pertinent...
btw, i-hub has a new thread devoted to Halter Financial...
i spent a good bit of energy last year trying to figure out why they seem willing to walk away from debt... run a google on Corey... you get page after page of pinksheet "messes"
Posted by T e x on :
I haven't done the math on this one--have you? I suppose AJW could *still* be converting, favorably...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: well, my earlier post is about Corey/AJW not pursuing debt... I think that *is* pertinent...
btw, i-hub has a new thread devoted to Halter Financial...
Thanks Tex
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: I haven't done the math on this one--have you? I suppose AJW could *still* be converting, favorably...
you mean CSHD? i couldn't get the math to work last year.... not from filings anyway....
The "death spiral convertible" might sound like your last car, but it's a bond -- and it's making an unlikely comeback on Wall Street.
These much-maligned securities, whose conversion into common shares can be triggered by precipitous drops in a company's stock, all but disappeared from the market three years ago. The near extinction occurred as investors got wise to the deleterious impact an endless flood of new shares can have on price.
Subsequent allegations of manipulative trading by some of the hedge funds that invested in these deals looked to be the death knell of the death spiral convertible. Those allegations ultimately spawned a regulatory investigation that led to a number of enforcement actions against hedge funds accused of illegally profiting from declines in stock.
Over the past year, however, there's been a surprising revival in the market for death spiral convertibles -- known officially on Wall Street as "floating convertibles.''
In particular, small, cash-strapped companies with market capitalizations often under $100 million are selling these bonds to hedge funds in deals covered by the Wall Street acronym PIPEs, or private investments in public equity. The resurgence in death spiral deals may be an indication that tiny, cash-strapped companies are finding fewer options for raising money.
This year, 10% of the 478 completed PIPE deals brought to market have been death spiral transactions. By comparison, just 1.9% of all PIPE deals in 2003 were categorized as death spirals, according to research firm PlacementTracker. (PlacementTracker officially calls them floating convertibles).
Last year, death spirals accounted for 6.4% of the $20 billion-a-year PIPEs market. Death spiral deals peaked in 1999, when they represented 20% of all PIPE transactions.
Some of the companies that have done death spiral PIPE deals with floating conversion prices this past year include Generex (GNBT:Nasdaq) and Vasomedical (VASO:Nasdaq) , according to PlacementTracker.
So far, two hedge funds are leading the way in investing in death spiral deals. Over the past 12 months, Cornell Capital Partners has emerged as the top investor in death spiral transactions, sinking $175 million into 42 deals. In second place is NIR Group, which has invested $77 million in 40 transactions.
No other hedge fund comes close to Cornell Capital or NIR, says Robert Kyle, executive vice president of Sagient Research, the parent company of PlacementTracker.
Mark Angelo, the founder and president of Cornell Capital, a $500 million fund located in Jersey City, N.J., declined to comment. Corey Ribotsky, the manager of Roslyn, N.Y.-based NIR Group, did not return several phone calls. NIR Group has $486 million in assets under management.
my opinion last year was that for some reason there were certain "entitites" that had no interest in seeing the PPS go up at all, and this was well before the run from 1$ to over 3$.... when i pointed this stuff out to certain individuals? the discussion became "toxic" Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hey remember that other reverse merger group I was rambling on about last year? Warrior Capital...the guys that got 400,000 shares for consulting back before Tay sold Rufus CVSU. Anyway, I wonder what ever happened with this case......
If i figure this site out maybe ill look into it heh
Posted by glassman on :
any of these ring a bell???
“Corey S. Ribotsky” has been a Signatory for/with the following 75 Registrants:
* Actis Global Ventures Inc [ formerly Fem One Inc ] * Advanced BioPhotonics Inc [ formerly Omnicorder Technologies Inc ] * Airtech International Group Inc [ formerly Interactive Technologies Corp Inc ] * Ajw Partners LLC * Antares Pharma Inc [ formerly Antares Pharma Inc/MN ] * Aquatic Cellulose International Corp * Astrata Group Inc [ formerly Cetalon Corp ] * Aventura Holdings Inc [ formerly Sun Network Group Inc ] * Avitar Inc/DE [ formerly Avitar Technologies Inc ] * Cape Systems Group/Inc [ formerly Cape Systems Group/Inc ] * Central Utilities Production Corp [ formerly Accord Advanced Technologies Inc ] * Central Wireless Inc [ formerly Dryden Industries Inc ] * Clickable Enterprises Inc [ formerly Achievement Tec Holdings Inc ] * Collectible Concepts Group Inc * Conectisys Corp [ formerly BDR Industries Inc ] * Cross Atlantic Commodities/Inc * Cyber Defense Systems Inc [ formerly E Citysoftware Inc ] * Cyberlux Corp * DealerAdvance/Inc [ formerly Stronghold Technologies Inc ] * Digital Descriptor Systems Inc * Dynamic Leisure Corp [ formerly Dyneco Corp ] * Edulink Inc * Egpi Firecreek/Inc [ formerly Energy Producers Inc ] * Encompass Holdings/Inc [ formerly Nova Communications Ltd ] * Energy Vision International/Inc [ formerly Demarco Energy Systems of America Inc ] * Epicus Communications Group Inc [ formerly Phoenix International Industries Inc/FL ] * Furia Organization Inc/DE * Golden Patriot Corp [ formerly Boundaries Capital Inc ] * Grant Life Sciences/Inc [ formerly Grant Ventures Inc ] * Greens Worldwide Inc [ formerly Sedona Worldwide Inc ] * Healthcare Business Services Groups/Inc [ formerly Winfield Financial Group Inc ] * Ibiz Technology Corp * IGIA/Inc [ formerly Diva Entertainment Inc ] * Ingen Technologies/Inc [ formerly Creative Recycling Technologies Inc ] * Innofone Com Inc * Insynq Inc [ formerly Xcel Management Inc/UT ] * Itronics Inc * Juniper Group Inc [ formerly Juniper Features L * Luna Technologies International Inc * M Power Entertainment Inc [ formerly GK Intelligent Systems Inc ] * Med Gen Inc * Midnight Holdings Group Inc [ formerly Redox Technology Corp ] * Millenia Hope Inc * Modern Technology Corp * Monarch Staffing/Inc [ formerly MT Ultimate Healthcare Corp ] * MotivNation/Inc [ formerly Aberdeen Idaho Mining Co ] * Msgi Security Solutions/Inc [ formerly Media Services Group Inc ] * Nayna Networks/Inc [ formerly Rescon Technology Corp ] * Netstaff Inc/IN [ formerly Mas Acquisition VIII Corp ] * New Millennium Capital Partners II LLC * Pacificap Entertainment Holdings Inc [ formerly Cavalcade of Sports Media Inc ] * Palomar Enterprises Inc * Paradigm Medical Industries Inc * Peak Entertainment Holdings Inc [ formerly Palladium Communications Inc ] * Pediatric Prosthetics Inc * Protocall Technologies Inc [ formerly Quality Exchange Inc ] * Reclamation Consulting & Applications Inc [ formerly Reclaimation Consulting & Applications Inc ] * Ribotsky Corey [ Owner - Clickable Enterprises Inc ] * Roanoke Technology Corp * Roo Group Inc [ formerly Virilitec Industries Inc ] * Safetek International Inc * Sharp Holding Corp [ formerly Celebrity Entertainment Group Inc ] * Sitestar Corp * Skylynx Communications Inc [ formerly Starcom Wireless Networks Inc ] * Sutura/Inc [ formerly Technology Visions Group Inc ] * Trezac International Corp [ formerly Trezac Corp ] * Univec Inc * Universe2u Inc [ formerly Paxton Mining Corp ] * US Wireless Online Inc [ formerly Cach Foods Inc ] * Valcom/Inc [ formerly Valcom Inc ] * Veridicom International Inc [ formerly Alpha Virtual Inc/CA ] * Vital Living Products Inc * Wellstar International/Inc * Whos Your Daddy Inc [ formerly Snocone Systems Inc ] * Wi-Fi TV Inc [ formerly Kanakaris Wireless ]
“Corey S. Ribotsky” has/had a Signatory interest in the following 8 Registrants:
* Aventura Holdings Inc [ formerly Sun Network Group Inc ] * Clickable Enterprises Inc [ formerly Achievement Tec Holdings Inc ] * Collectible Concepts Group Inc * Digital Descriptor Systems Inc * Financial Systems Group Inc * New Rock Technologies Inc * Sitestar Corp * Uncommon Media Group Inc [ formerly Ijc Ventures Corp ]
http://www.secinfo.com/$/SEC/Name.asp?M=corey+s%2E+ribotsky&List=S#Signatory
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Im sure "Whos your Daddy Inc" was a big hit...I just dont know why they stepped away from the "Snocone Systems Inc" name, maybe they were targetting a different customer base? Posted by 10of13 on :
I remember this well... And that is quite a list you posted...up there... out of those 75...I made out well on a few...now most are "dead" in the water...
quote:Originally posted by glassman: my opinion last year was that for some reason there were certain "entitites" that had no interest in seeing the PPS go up at all, and this was well before the run from 1$ to over 3$.... when i pointed this stuff out to certain individuals? the discussion became "toxic"
Posted by glassman on :
trade 'em, don't hold 'em Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hmmm, i wonder how many people followed Ribotskys deals over the years in order to ride his coat tails.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
I thought this was a very good explanation of a scenario that could play out assuming some details are proven factual.
From theschwartz on the other board
"The Assets and the Company itself are 2 different things. For example, a friend of mine just sold his company in a "Bulk Asset Sale", where he sold all of the companies assets. However he still owns the original company, it just no longer has any assets.
Sine RPH has control of the Bonds, he could agree to give a company so many Billion$ in assets in exchange for $15/share for CSHD shareholders. In this case CSHD could still exist as an entity without assets or the majority of its shareholders. Then there would be nothing but a RPH and an empty shell of CSHD for the SEC to battle in court. "
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Im sure "Whos your Daddy Inc" was a big hit...I just dont know why they stepped away from the "Snocone Systems Inc" name, maybe they were targetting a different customer base?
when SCOS was first brought here? i wasn't too hot to buy:
glassman Member September 16, 2004 23:04
i see nothing bad about it, but i have learned to avoid stocks with too low of a float....most stocks go down quicker than they go up....that's just the way it is...as far as the company goes, i have no idear if they are good or not....according to the 10Q from 8-16-04 they: A)have 6.7 mill shares oustanding B)have 145$ in cash C)pay 500$/month rent???? (that's not much...) D)i would expect them to have to issue more shares to grow because they, E) show no income.....
the charts definitely say the PPS could/will still go up......
SCOS was P&Ded heavily for a long time before it was R/Med....
the PPS went from about 15 cents to over a dollar, almost two as i recall..
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Heh, I was just screwing around about snocone systems. I think that was before my time....im now a 1 year old newbie. Posted by glassman on :
i think the guy that runs HSM was pumping it... but thats just a rumor i heard..
Posted by glassman on :
hmmmm... HSM? isn't that where Rufufu was posting for awhile too? LOL... small world ain't it?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
He posted at HSM and at i hub
Posted by glassman on :
they shredded him pretty quick at ihub....
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: I thought this was a very good explanation of a scenario that could play out assuming some details are proven factual.
From theschwartz on the other board
"The Assets and the Company itself are 2 different things. For example, a friend of mine just sold his company in a "Bulk Asset Sale", where he sold all of the companies assets. However he still owns the original company, it just no longer has any assets.
Sine RPH has control of the Bonds, he could agree to give a company so many Billion$ in assets in exchange for $15/share for CSHD shareholders. In this case CSHD could still exist as an entity without assets or the majority of its shareholders. Then there would be nothing but a RPH and an empty shell of CSHD for the SEC to battle in court. "
Maybe but then the SEC would just do the samething to the new company that they did to CSHD. They believe the bonds are fraudulent so whatever company received them and attempted to use them would be committing fraud.
The thing I never understood was that Rufus stated that the SEC told him that if he drew down on the bonds it would be considered fraud, call me stupid but if Rufus were able to draw down on the bonds wouldn't it prove they were real.
Seems backa$$wards to me.
I remeber the whole discussion last year regarding the Toxic financing and AJW. The DD I did sure taught me to stay away from companies that they finance, unless it was shortable.
Wally
Posted by glassman on :
Seems backa$$wards to me.
been seeing alot of stuff that seems backwards...
consider how all the brokers swore for years you can't short stock under 5$, and yet we could pretty much see it happening...
"NS'ing doesn't exist" the DTCC Posted by T e x on :
well, lol, we all read that our brokers wouldn't allow "us" to short 'em...I never thought to ask 'em: "Well, can *anybody* short 'em?"
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Any news about Steven Canady being arrested?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Why would you ask that? something going around?
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Any news about Steven Canady being arrested?
And in addition...RPH's board is saying that it is true...
Posted by 10of13 on :
This was posted on RPH board...FWIW...
Today at 1:35pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote: Today at 1:25pm, fred wrote:
the 1/1 trade stays in the new company and your 6 other shares per share are the ones that get the push in price due to the covering of the shorts. Just guessing. Anyother opinions?
Wonder if the 6; from the 6:1 was put in an offering and sold with proceeds going to the shareholders of that 6 to 1?
Take this as a poke in the ribs, just for fun"
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: This was posted on RPH board...FWIW...
Today at 1:35pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote: Today at 1:25pm, fred wrote:
the 1/1 trade stays in the new company and your 6 other shares per share are the ones that get the push in price due to the covering of the shorts. Just guessing. Anyother opinions?
Wonder if the 6; from the 6:1 was put in an offering and sold with proceeds going to the shareholders of that 6 to 1?
Take this as a poke in the ribs, just for fun"
What new company are they talking about? Otherwise, theyre basically saying we'll get 1 for 1 in some new company. And the other 6 shares we won't get, but the money we wouldve gotten from them would be reflected in the 1 for 1 new company pps? Am i correct in my logic?
Posted by a surfer on :
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. has entered into a Global Funding Agreement # 252455779-08122006-LBH with the Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD., a Georgia LTD Foundation.
The Foundation's Co-Operators are Adnan Sakli FD# 8216 and 8217, Craig M. Cason and Steven Canady.
The funding agreement brings a 450 Million Euro ($579,149,833 USD converted) denominated Note on Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC with a 6 1/8% coupon to CSHD's Asset Back Management facility. (The MTN holds an S&P, Fitch, and Composite A+ rating with a Moody's A1 rating).
The bond is loaded in the systems with the following codes:
Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC 6 1/8 A+
Common Code: 010924251
ISIN: XS0109242510
BB Number: EC2377199
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. and the Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD., a Georgia LTD Foundation increased the Deposit under Global Funding Agreement # 252455779-08122006-LBH with the addition of the following Bonds;
Republic of Finland
$749,000,000 Million Euro
6 % coupon
The bond is loaded in the systems with the following codes:
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
a Delaware corporation
By: /s/ Rufus Paul Harris
Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer
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Posted by a surfer on :
from August 18th.... LOL Classic
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: This was posted on RPH board...FWIW...
Today at 1:35pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote: Today at 1:25pm, fred wrote:
the 1/1 trade stays in the new company and your 6 other shares per share are the ones that get the push in price due to the covering of the shorts. Just guessing. Anyother opinions?
Wonder if the 6; from the 6:1 was put in an offering and sold with proceeds going to the shareholders of that 6 to 1?
Take this as a poke in the ribs, just for fun"
What new company are they talking about? Otherwise, theyre basically saying we'll get 1 for 1 in some new company. And the other 6 shares we won't get, but the money we wouldve gotten from them would be reflected in the 1 for 1 new company pps? Am i correct in my logic?
Thats probably the best explanation ive heard.
Posted by 10of13 on :
This was posted earlier today on the RPH board...It's only speculation...but take a read...
"Today at 11:11am, padre wrote:Been thinking about this since the weekend. Decided to put this out there for discussion. Have at it.
BashPolice and 8, these guys set off the bells. It suddenly came clear. I believe that I know what is the exit now, and how it is to happen. (generally)
Today at 12:18pm, bashpolice wrote: Torch bearer has progressed, RPH is waiting like all of us, It seems like the knot is that the TA and brokers are selling shares of non-existing anymore companies. RPH spoke of that before and he organized himself for HIS company to become a ghost shell for it to prove to all that non-active, not anymore existing empty stocks are sold. There is now a matter of air shares AND air companies shares AND air shares of these Air companies! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Today at 12:45 8 wrote: I think so in a similar way. I think RPH setup this company to be the bait and trap for the NSS'ers. Thing is, this wasn't the company RPH wanted to keep running. This is an empty company with legitimate filings. The bonds can be moved onto another corporation. I think the crooks believed that this was a real company that can be shorted into the ground and destroyed and made to completely disappear. The problem is that Rufus has the ability and right to change companies completely and leave CSHD as an empty battleground in ruins. The cool thing is this: He made it in such a way that the crooks will be forced to stay behind and cover for a company that never REALLY existed in the first place.
It's exactly like this: A cop pretends to be a John, or customer, looking for a prostitute. It's actually a sting. Can the prostitute say, "wait a minute! Since you were a cop and not a REAL customer, you can't take me to jail." Does that work? No it doesn't. Just because a company wasn't SUPPOSED to be a functioning company doesn't mean that one can do illegal things to it. That would be a kick-ass plan and will really make all the shorts take it in the pants. Make them feel really stupid, and make them lose their money. The world will actually now make sense if someone was able to make them crap themselves. We'll see soon enough.
My thoughts:
Those guys were so close! Here it is as I see it.
A private New Company will make an offer to purchase all the CSHD shares. Including the 6:1. Will happen this way …..
Next week we will be halted. Mr. Harris either has or will pull a nobo-obo list. There will be a pr July 3rd saying that Private New Company (to be pnc from now on) is making an offer. The pnc offer is as follows. We will trade you on a 1:1 basis (to include 6:1) one cshd shares for pnc shares. As pnc is private they are allowed, and the assets of pnc will be 15 billion. Remember them 15 billion?
If we are not halted then the offer will be made to shareholders of record close of business 6/29/07 and before. Those owning after the cutoff date will not be able to take part in this offer. Effectively stops all legit purchases. Anybody purchasing after the cutoff date will be evildooers, as these purchases serve no purpose other than to remove them from circulation. This would be the most fun. Bidding war, new base price of $15 to $22.5 ?? (see New thoughts: at the bottom for more)
Our legitimate share structure is 62+ million shares. The offer will cover ALL shares. There will be a deadline. Retirement accounts will be included, but will happen somewhat more slowly. Digital shares to be handled last. (more later)
Mr. Harris has control of the bonds. By contract CSHD was the beneficiary of the bonds (FBO). Pnc will become the new beneficiary. Total value to be 7.5 billion (less canady bonds) + 15 billion = 22.5 billion in assets.
All shareholders will fit under this umbrella. I think the pre 10/16 shareholders will be given a premium of some kind. 1 restricted preferred share for each xx number of pre 10/16 shares owned. Unknown restrictions.
Assume that the total # of shares is 1 billion. Makes each share worth $ 22.50 going in. Fewer shares = higher pps. IMO Mr. Harris is looking for 800million to 1 billion shares. After thought: What is to prevent the evildooers from entering the bidding war? Absolutely nothing. And there it is. Set your price and sell.
Digital shares: If the evildooers enter the bidding war then the digital shareholders can move shares quickly, for whatever price the evildooers offer. Thus those who are traders will be able to exit quickly and with a nice profit.
Post exchange we will have the following:
1] CSHD in Federal court with nothing except the NSS forensics. The pnc will be using the bonds in question, thus proving the validity of the bonds and the validity of the contract between Mr. Harris and the bond owners. Thus ends the SEC charges.
2] The pnc will be in possession of HCC showing the TA printed x # of millions of shares. The merger agreement shows a max of 62+ million shares. The 6,000 shareholders will be proof that the Brokers sold shares KNOWING that there would be no delivery.
Now comes the fun. Mr. Harris will go after the T/A, and the Market Makers, as well as the Hedge funds that created the counterfit shares.
The pnc will go after the Brokers.
How much money we looking at? On a 1 billion share count we are looking at an additional $100 to $500 per share payoff. How?
Rico = Not less than $15 per share * 3 = $15+$45 * 1 billion shares * 3 to 5 companies
RICO = T/A, Hedge Funds, DTCC, The Fed, and SEC.
In the past the Brokers got away with it. The individual shareholders had not the funds to go after them. The pnc goes after the Brokers (We own TDAmeritrade), because the pnc now owns all the legit and the nss shares. The Brokers committed fraud, and as the only shareholder of record it is a legit suite.
That is why the pnc will purchase the shares. Essentially become the only shareholder. Then sue the various brokers. Also get triple damages here.
I am no lawyer, but the above scenario is valid, and fits with what Mr. Hasis has said will happen.
My guess is that we are looking at a payout of $200 to $500 per share, in addition to still actually owning the shares.
6/24/2007 5:24:55 PM
New thoughts:
Take a look at counterfeiting statutes. I have no idea if they can be used against the NSS boys or not. BUT ......
I know it is counterfeiting to create fake money. And to create a fake watch, purse, etc.
Can a person be charged with larceny or fraud for selling air shares of a stock?
If they create 1 CSHD air share transaction what is the penalty?
Can each air share transaction result in a separate charge?
Possibly one of the legal minds on the board could offer thoughts on this question.
Am mobile, will not be able to respond for around 1 - 1 1/2 hours. Driving home.
padre "
Posted by T e x on :
guys? there's no "6-for-1" as in due to somebody as of a certain date. Might something to that effect be crafted in the future? sure...
but nothing as divvy was ever posted on dailylist, and otherwise "tax-free" reorgs are classified under sub-class A-G, as I recall.
If someone knows of rules/regs that *would* apply, please post them...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Yeah Tex, that's one thing that has bugged me the most in all this. There just CAN'T be a 6:1. It was never poperly filed, and you can't just back date somethign like that. I'm not sure why so many people are STILL talking about it. If anyone can find one example of it ever happening, I may soften my stance, but I'd be willing to bet anyone with heavy odds that if a 6:1 happens, it won't be as of some point in the past.
Posted by humble on :
Very interesting speculation from Padre. Think back over all of the hints that have been dropped by RPH and see if the pieces fit into this scenario. A few things must be worked out to unknot this situation:
1) Shareholders must be relieved of the financial devastation caused by the corruption surrounding this company (I use the word company lightly)
2) Forward progress must be made beyond the reach of the powerful market forces that put us here in the first place.
3) Shareholders must remain in a position to receive punitive damages as they pile up.
4) Shorts must be forced to pay the market for shorted shares or begin conversations with their insurance (and reinsurance) companies.
5) Most importantly, none of these goals must rely on decisions made by or timelines set by U.S. regulators, some of whom may be on the wrong side. If this stays in this arena, the most influential players on Wall Street will call in favors at all levels.
Does Padre's scenario fit the bill? Looks pretty tasty. There are a lot of subtle implications between the lines of this framework but the major criteria are satisfied.
Oh yeah, RPH showed up just after this was posted to clarify a couple of the issues involving the need for a proxy vote and how the 6:1 would be handled. He did not negate a single point of this hypothesis.
If there was a genius plan behind the scenes all along, it is beginning to appear more and more genius in its simplicity.
...In My humble Opinion
Posted by wallymac on :
Tex,
It's all smoke and mirrors anyway. Just like a good illusionist, Rufus continually provides enough distraction so that many lose sight of not just the facts but why they originally took a position in this stock.
Not one thing that Rufus has promised has come true. Not one projected date for Proxy, PACER or any other event he has put out there was completed when he said or never happened at all.
Seems he would rather have people talk of conspiracy, DUI's, Foal naming contests, dogs getting shot and horse's dying and being taken away than do anything positive.
The ironic part is that for the most part it has worked.
I doubt I'll even be able to believe it when I see. I'd be afraid I ws actually looking at a mirage.
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex says; "guys? there's no "6-for-1" as in due to somebody as of a certain date. Might something to that effect be crafted in the future? sure..."
Tex? Is it written any where, rule or reg, that companies CAN NOT give a "divvy" or what ever one would call it...as a type of "back date"...for instance...
XYZ has decided to give a divvy to all share holders of record on December 25th 2002?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
"If there was a genius plan behind the scenes all along, it is beginning to appear more and more genius in its simplicity." - Humble
Posted by T e x on :
yup... NASD(AQ) gotta be notified...
for example, when a divvy involves an ex-date? the company set its own record date for bookeeping, notification, etc... but NASD(AQ) nexus sets the ex-date. And they kinda sorta require 10 days' notice...
is on the ref thread...basically, gotta give folks notice...cain't "back-date."
Posted by 10of13 on :
Yes Tex...I remember discussing that...BUT RPH was not claiming it as a "Divvy"...therefore...Nasd didn't need to be notified...because the term Divvy was not used...and for the life of me...I can't remember what "they" called it...it's in the PR and filing from October...
Seems there was much discussion on this subject back then... Would NASD or anyone need to be "Notified" of a RS/FS? As long as the company remains within their alloted AS?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Tex,
It's all smoke and mirrors anyway. Just like a good illusionist, Rufus continually provides enough distraction so that many lose sight of not just the facts but why they originally took a position in this stock.
Not one thing that Rufus has promised has come true. Not one projected date for Proxy, PACER or any other event he has put out there was completed when he said or never happened at all.
Seems he would rather have people talk of conspiracy, DUI's, Foal naming contests, dogs getting shot and horse's dying and being taken away than do anything positive.
The ironic part is that for the most part it has worked.
I doubt I'll even be able to believe it when I see. I'd be afraid I ws actually looking at a mirage.
Wally
Damn I can't believe you actually posted that !!!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Yes tex...I remember discussing that...BUT RPH was not claiming it as a "Divvy"...therefore...Nasd didn't need to be notified...because the term Divvy was not used...and for the life of me...I can't remember what "they" called it...it's in the PR and filing from October...
harris *seemed* to be invoking "tax-free reorg" rules-- who knows exactly what the claim was? -- but even at that, companies traditionally have been limited to either types "A," "B," or "C" reorgs...
lately, past few years? several months? dunno... but sometime "recently" sub-types through "G" have been added, as I recall.
Anyway, I never saw one that would apply.
Would welcome such info...
Posted by T e x on :
oops...see I missed some replies.
brb
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Yeah Tex, that's one thing that has bugged me the most in all this. There just CAN'T be a 6:1. It was never poperly filed, and you can't just back date somethign like that. I'm not sure why so many people are STILL talking about it. If anyone can find one example of it ever happening, I may soften my stance, but I'd be willing to bet anyone with heavy odds that if a 6:1 happens, it won't be as of some point in the past.
PC, harris promoted this angle as "not-divvy"
see other posts for "tax-free reorg" implications.
Also, have heard harris say on SPR that SEC/NASD considered it a divvy, therefore subject to those regs.
If it were me? I would clear that up IMMEDIATELY so that folks were not investing on *my* interpretation...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Why would you ask that? something going around?
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Any news about Steven Canady being arrested?
btw, apparently this stems from a Tim Miles post...
have no idea of the accuracy... what's funny to me? Tim goes on to mention "breaking" the link to Canady...
been a long time, lol, but I remember we were on Canady/Canaday long before I ever of Miles...
what a long strange trip... Posted by RyanPBF on :
I think he called the 6:1 not a divvy, but a merger consideration. That's what I remember
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Tex,
It's all smoke and mirrors anyway. Just like a good illusionist, Rufus continually provides enough distraction so that many lose sight of not just the facts but why they originally took a position in this stock.
Not one thing that Rufus has promised has come true. Not one projected date for Proxy, PACER or any other event he has put out there was completed when he said or never happened at all.
Seems he would rather have people talk of conspiracy, DUI's, Foal naming contests, dogs getting shot and horse's dying and being taken away than do anything positive.
The ironic part is that for the most part it has worked.
I doubt I'll even be able to believe it when I see. I'd be afraid I ws actually looking at a mirage.
Wally
Damn I can't believe you actually posted that !!!
Why? If you've read my posts ever since the suspension you will see that I have been critical of the way Rufus has handled the whole situation. I just choose to do it a constructive manner and don't call people that believe fools or stupid.
I still have no idea where this will end but I do know that there really hasn't been anyone associated with the company of the SEC that has given shareholders anything close to black and white it's all gray. I guess that it's appropriate that the stock trades on the Gray Sheets.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I think he called the 6:1 not a divvy, but a merger consideration. That's what I remember
The debate has always been whether it's Divy, which NASD says it is or as RPH says it's a Threshold Price Reset. I remeber way back probably 10 or more threads ago, we did DD on this. The Threshold Price Reset has been used on some types of investments but never found where it was applied to a stock. I'll have to go back and see if I can dig up what we found. If I remember correctly Mr. Cat Engineer found some info and posted.
IMO, it was another of Rufus's cute moves. When they told him he couldn't do it that it was a Divy he replied show me where it states I can't.
So here we are almost nine months later still trying to figure out what the 6 for 1 is.
I'll what I can find later regarding the "Threshold Price Reset"
Wally
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I believe Threshold Price Resets are directly related to PIPES.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I believe Threshold Price Resets are directly related to PIPES.
why?
Posted by T e x on :
in other words, I might post, " 'Threshold Price Resets' are directly related to intention to create a "Moon Base.' "
make sense?
Posted by wallymac on :
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).
A 10-KSB/A was filed and accepted at 6:50PM and will show up on the Edgar System first thing tomorrow morning.
'The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78,' stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.
THis is what is written. No mention of Dividend or Forward split. THey are saying reset the share value.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
ya, wally,
good re-post...
is gobbledegook, as far as I've ever been able to discover...
never understood how that appiles to "tax-free reorgs"...
would like to understand, but so far no one can supply the info.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally...seems with the way that PR was worded...RPH attempted to "cover his ass in both ways"...Giving the NASD their 10 days notice and giving the shareholders what he had promised...
I am not seeing where RPH "did it wrong"...
But then in walks the SEC...claiming that the bonds are "false"...and yet...somehow that can't be "proven"...true or false...
So as of now..."we" don't have the 6:1...divvy...OR any other word you want to use...hell there isn't really a company now...is there?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Tex I believe when all the talk of price resets were being mentioned everyone here researched pretty hard and the only thing that we came across had to do with private investments in public companies. If I can find the website I'll post the link here.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wally...seems with the way that PR was worded...RPH attempted to "cover his ass in both ways"...Giving the NASD their 10 days notice and giving the shareholders what he had promised...
I am not seeing where RPH "did it wrong"...
But then in walks the SEC...claiming that the bonds are "false"...and yet...somehow that can't be "proven"...true or false...
So as of now..."we" don't have the 6:1...divvy...OR any other word you want to use...hell there isn't really a company now...is there?
10 of Bewilderment,
a PR does not constitute notice--the company must follow procedure.
just for example...let's say your child is allergic to peanut butter. Would it better to notify the teacher, or to take out an ad in a weekly newspaper?
re: SEC...
SEC is questioning the bonds. simple. They have the resources to verify bonds, stock trades, time & sales, etc....
Apparently, they can't--or if you will, WON'T-- verify.
So... WHO should verify?
If I were CEO? I'd have a luncheon where SEC officials could see everything. I certainly would'nt blow 'em off and proceed to antagonize.
Posted by wallymac on :
Entry into a Material Definitive Agreement, Financial Statements and Ex
Item 1.01 Entry Into a Material Definitive Agreement On January 10, 2007, Noble International, Ltd. (the "Company") entered into a First Amendment to Amended and Restated Convertible Subordinated Notes (the "Amendment") with the holders of the Company's $32,500,000 Amended and Restated Convertible Subordinated Notes (the "Notes'). The Amendment amends the Notes, the terms of which were described in detail in the Company's Current Report on Form 8-K filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on October 17, 2006.
Pursuant to the Amendment: (i) the Conversion Price of the Notes was increased from $18.50 to $19.50; (ii) the mandatory reset of the Conversion Price on July 1, 2007 to 125% of the 45 consecutive trading day trailing average daily closing sale price of the Company's common stock was eliminated; (iii) the interest rate payable on the Notes was increased from 6% to 8%; and (iv) ;the threshold price of the Company's common stock required for the Company's right to redeem some or all of the Notes on or after the third anniversary date of issuance was decreased from 140% of the Conversion Price to 120% of the Conversion Price. Terms not defined herein shall have the meaning ascribed thereto in the Notes.
This description of the Amendment does not purport to be complete and is qualified in its entirety by reference to the Amendment filed as an exhibit to this report and incorporated by reference into this Item 1.01.
Item 9.01 Financial Statements and Exhibits (a) Not applicable.
(b) Not applicable.
(d) Exhibits
10.1 First Amendment to Amended and Restated Convertible Subordinated Notes
I think this is what Rufus was attempting to use as a precedent. Not this particular case but the overall use of a price reset.
When I said cute earlier, I meant finding a loophole and trying to apply it to CSHD's situation. It's like an attorney citing a law that is on the books for one instance and then trying to apply it to something very different. In the legal field what we would see is appeals all the way up to the Supreme Court, where a final ruling could be made and a precedent set.
Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
PRICING RESET The purchase price of the common stock or the conversion price of a convertible security is set either (i) at closing or (ii) on a specified date after closing and is subject to adjustment (downward or upward) based on various criteria that can include fundamental performance (operational reset), a specified event (event-driven reset), or the stock price of the issuer at a given point in time after closing (threshold price reset).
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wally...seems with the way that PR was worded...RPH attempted to "cover his ass in both ways"...Giving the NASD their 10 days notice and giving the shareholders what he had promised...
I am not seeing where RPH "did it wrong"...
But then in walks the SEC...claiming that the bonds are "false"...and yet...somehow that can't be "proven"...true or false...
So as of now..."we" don't have the 6:1...divvy...OR any other word you want to use...hell there isn't really a company now...is there?
10 of Bewilderment,
a PR does not constitute notice--the company must follow procedure.
just for example...let's say your child is allergic to peanut butter. Would it better to notify the teacher, or to take out an ad in a weekly newspaper?
re: SEC...
SEC is questioning the bonds. simple. They have the resources to verify bonds, stock trades, time & sales, etc....
Apparently, they can't--or if you will, WON'T-- verify.
So... WHO should verify?
If I were CEO? I'd have a luncheon where SEC officials could see everything. I certainly would'nt blow 'em off and proceed to antagonize.
Yep as the CEO he should have sat down and tried to work it out with the SEC but it's seems what he was really interested in was winning the battle. History tells us that you can win the battle but lose the war.
Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Theory:
A European Company, that maybe Rufus has been involved in all along,....comes around.."purchases" CSHD.... along with it goes it's assets & shareholders....and perhaps we exchange 1:1 CSHD shares for shares in new company that is in Europe....I don't think the SEC would have any say in what happens to the bonds after that...right? The bonds are loaded into Euroclear right?...New comapany is in Europe (maybe)...
Then New Company draws down on bonds, MY OH MY, must be real & must have belonged to Mr. Harris & company if new company can use them....
...& If we hand our certs to New Company & new company finds that some of these certs are counterfiet or fraudulant....perhaps the comapny can go after the perpatrators...maybe?
Perhaps this company has been doing business for a while now, with it's own assets...maybe it was the "real company" all along....& CSHD was just a decoy...just like Rufus always said....maybe it's on the London Stock Exchange right now & we don;t even know it because we don't even know it's name yet....
Remember, the fiscal year for CSHD ends June 30th....wouldn't that be convienient if tomorrow was the last day of trading for CSHD....maybe a halt maybe not.....
But you say, even if this could happen Jenna, how would we even know or be notified of such a thing....some say that RPH can not release a PR, the SEC would see that as fraudulant (not sure the reasoning behind that, but for the sake of argument let's play with this idea) Ok, Rufus can't put out a PR, but the New Company can!!! ....And what's to stop Rufus from taking that other company's PR & putting it on CVSU's website? It would be news affecting CSHD so it should be on the website....
I may be way off or maybe not but it's the only EXIT plan that seems like it could be possible...
Things that make you go HHHMMMM....
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Theory:
A European Company, that maybe Rufus has been involved in all along,....comes around.."purchases" CSHD.... along with it goes it's assets & shareholders....and perhaps we exchange 1:1 CSHD shares for shares in new company that is in Europe....I don't think the SEC would have any say in what happens to the bonds after that...right? The bonds are loaded into Euroclear right?...New comapany is in Europe (maybe)...
Then New Company draws down on bonds, MY OH MY, must be real & must have belonged to Mr. Harris & company if new company can use them....
...& If we hand our certs to New Company & new company finds that some of these certs are counterfiet or fraudulant....perhaps the comapny can go after the perpatrators...maybe?
Perhaps this company has been doing business for a while now, with it's own assets...maybe it was the "real company" all along....& CSHD was just a decoy...just like Rufus always said....maybe it's on the London Stock Exchange right now & we don;t even know it because we don't even know it's name yet....
Remember, the fiscal year for CSHD ends June 30th....wouldn't that be convienient if tomorrow was the last day of trading for CSHD....maybe a halt maybe not.....
But you say, even if this could happen Jenna, how would we even know or be notified of such a thing....some say that RPH can not release a PR, the SEC would see that as fraudulant (not sure the reasoning behind that, but for the sake of argument let's play with this idea) Ok, Rufus can't put out a PR, but the New Company can!!! ....And what's to stop Rufus from taking that other company's PR & putting it on CVSU's website? It would be news affecting CSHD so it should be on the website....
I may be way off or maybe not but it's the only EXIT plan that seems like it could be possible...
Things that make you go HHHMMMM....
While that sounds about as good as lying on a nice beach with a blonde and a brunette by my side, it doesn't seem like it will happen. But then again stranger things have happened?
Posted by wallymac on :
Unless I'm wrong and I could be, I was under the impression that the SEC wasn't claiming that the bonds themself were fraudulent but that Rufus's claim that he owned the amount of the bond stated was fraudulent. I mean they were saying that there was no way he could own what he stated.
Secondly, we only have Rufus's word that the SEC told him if he drew down on the bond it would be considered fraud. I don't remember ever reading anything that verified that.
So if my memory is correct it just adds to my statement of Smoke and Mirrors. Things get so confused that it's hard to tell fact from fiction.
Jenna, you have spoken with Alana Black in the past did she ever tell you that CSHD could not draw down on the bonds?
OK so Rufus has stated there is an Exit plan for shareholders, has he ever stated that the Exit plan included shareholders receiving what was promised? I mean an Exit Plan could be similar to what you speculate except that the shareholders get shares in a private company with no ability to trade their shares. Heck the private company could claim they have a book value of $15 or $20 a shares but with no market to trade them what good would it be?
Wally
Posted by milliam on :
RPH did file the SEC forms that included the TPR info, right? I would think this would be enough to make if "official", but who knows.
I do remember him talking about differentiating between a TPR and a dividend. He said the TA and NASD wanted him to make it a dividend and push the ex-date out 10-30 days. He said by doing this, the MM’s would pump the stock (based on the upcoming dividend) and continue to dump shares onto the market. He said this is what happened in BBAN. I’ll try to check BBAN’s history and see if there are any dividends listed.
Posted by Jenna on :
Jenna, you have spoken with Alana Black in the past did she ever tell you that CSHD could not draw down on the bonds?
No, Wally, I never asked her that....Darn, that would have been one heck of a question too....
Posted by milliam on :
Ok, it looks like BBAN did do a dividend back in 04. They issued the PR on Feb. 12th and listed the issue date as Mar. 30th. It was a 1 for 10 share dividend.
According to their stock chart, the volume shot up huge the week of Feb. 9th. The volume the week before was less than 1 million and it shot up to over 20 million. The pps also ran up from .03 to .06. The volume remained high for about 6 weeks and the pps topped at .085 before falling down to .04.
Posted by milliam on :
Well, looking into this BBAN stuff has brought some things that I've either forgot about, or are new to me. Here's an excerpt from BBAN's 10QSB from 2/19/04. It looks from this filing, that both RPH and Ben had brought a good bit to the company. I don't think it was long after this date that things started going downhill.
On February 28, 2003 BBAN received a 100 Million USD Insurance Guarantee Bond from Enhancement Holdings, LLC currently held in Custodian safekeeping by Republic Bank and Trust in Norman, Oklahoma for credit enhancement purposes.
The receipt of the bond is the first step in an agreement with Enhancement Holdings, LLC and Stanley Holdings Business Trust to provide liquidity to Broadband Wireless International Corporation. Enhancement Holdings, LLC a privately held company along with Stanley Holdings Business Trust are engaged in the business of corporate financing, business consulting, debt instrument financing, international trade and asset enhancement. Paul Harris is the Chairman and CEO of Enhancement Holdings, LLC and Ben Stanley is the Chairman and CEO of the Stanley Holdings Business Trust. Under the agreement Enhancement Holdings, LLC will receive 3 board seats on the BBAN board and a ranking equity position upon liquidity.
On July 9, 2003 BBAN received a $31 Million USD valued Timber Deed from Stanley Holdings Business Trust currently held in safe keeping at Hancock Bank, Gulfport Mississippi. The Timber deed is Stage 2 of the agreement with EHLLC and SHBT.
On August 11, 2003 the New Board finalized Two Timber purchase contracts with International Paper to begin timber harvesting on the 5,600 acres supported by the timber deed. The Timber purchase contracts are Stage 3 of the agreement with EHLLC and SHBT. The contracts holds an annual harvest value of around $3,200,000 Million USD.
On August 12, 2003 BBAN completed the start up phase of the Timber Division located in the Arkansas Pine Plantation, which is stage 4 of the plan of operation of the existing Board of Directors. The total start-up cost is expected to be around $1,000,000 USD and was largely covered to date by Stanley Holding Business Trust and affiliates. The board of directors has also approved and is in the negotiation stages to acquire a chip mill close to the harvest site. The purchase of the chip mill will greatly increase the annual harvesting revenues and salvage around 30% in lost harvest.
Posted by milliam on :
Its a list of people invovled with BBAN. The interesting thing is that you can click on each name and see what other companies they were/are involved with. There's quite a few listings from both RPH and Ben. I've investigated a few of them and haven't really found much, but if someone has the time, it might generate some info.
Some other names on there that are pretty intersting: Ron D. Harris, Howard Stern, and Wesley Snipes. Looks like Snipes was/is involved in CMKM Diamonds. Interesting to see Stern's name connected with XM radio a bunch too.
Posted by Jenna on :
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Disturbing News in today, SIXTO G Thoroughbred Stallion dies at county facility (“SIXTO G tangled itself in a fence and had to be put down “exact words used), “Hmmmmm a half starved to death Stallion, scrapped up all of his energy and torn down 2 or 3 fence lines; I am getting the run around on details, Has our friend Lee Webb published anything on this!!
Interesting story from Ms. Debbie Elrod of the Bartow County Animal Control, Keep your eyes and ears open for any news
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A Ton of female emotions around here today, mixed crying and anger!!
Watch what this develops into!!
GODSPEED and GOD Bless, I’ll be back later!!
Oh one more thing; They are also asking for $6,323.42 to get my horse back, Can you legally give horses back to someone you just charged with animal abuse!! I guess we have finally got to the root of the evil!! Money!!
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
so stupid IMO. he's just movign the attention elsewhere from what really matters
Posted by milliam on :
Like sands through the hourglass.....
Posted by milliam on :
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debbie said this happened about 2 weeks ago. she said the horses already had a bad rear left leg and that the orse tried to jump a fence and got the good right leg tangle up. a vet came out and determined it was badly damaged and it was his call to put ol sixto in the ground. if rufus does get the horse back, there will be a supervision clause in it, you know, to make sure he feeds and waters them properly.
Posted by wallymac on :
debbie said this happened about 2 weeks ago. she said the horses already had a bad rear left leg and that the orse tried to jump a fence and got the good right leg tangle up. a vet came out and determined it was badly damaged and it was his call to put ol sixto in the ground. if rufus does get the horse back, there will be a supervision clause in it, you know, to make sure he feeds and waters them properly.
Not that it really matters but if their still are charges of Animal Cruelty pending would they release the Horses to Rufus?
I know in cases of suspected child abuse the minor is removed from the home until the investigation is complete and I believe a judge would have to make a ruling.
I am not at all familiar with how they deal with animals.
Just something to pass a little before I go out into the sunshine.
Wally
Posted by milliam on :
Seems like a good bit of contradicting going on with this horse stuff.
Anyway, RPH doesn't seem to be in that bad of a mood over on his board.
Have a good weekend all!
Posted by T e x on :
lol, "contradiction"
Posted by Jenna on :
I'm confused....
RPH stated that "the case was dropped" a few weeks ago...
& noone knew what he was referring to...then he posted a case number.....someone on his site called the court house & found that it was the animal cruelty case....
...but wouldn't they have had to give the horses back if it was dropped? Anybody know?
Posted by T e x on :
hence my earlier post in this thread...
"where's the horses?"
lol, all this passion...and no *one* has bothered to verify the horses' location(s) ?
Posted by wwilliammc on :
Rufus said it was going to cost over $6000.00 for room and board at the county to get the horse back. I assume they were in negotitions when the horse was put down.
Posted by thesource on :
Well today was 3 weeks and no exit point for the share holders . I guess he's got to come up with something to divert attention away from that little white lie .
Posted by Jenna on :
I have a feeling today (June 29th) was the last day to ever buy CSHD....Last Call if you will....
This thing will be over one way or another....
The rides been fun but they all eventually end.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I have a feeling today (June 29th) was the last day to ever buy CSHD....Last Call if you will....
This thing will be over one way or another....
The rides been fun but they all eventually end.
You really think so? Would there be anyway to find out? Like is there a site that will show halted/suspended stocks that are on the grey sheets.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I have a feeling today (June 29th) was the last day to ever buy CSHD....Last Call if you will....
This thing will be over one way or another....
The rides been fun but they all eventually end.
What gives you that idea ? I'd bet this thing continues to trade for years down the road as a shell for .00x-.000x a share and will run up here and there on bogus rumors .
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I have a feeling today (June 29th) was the last day to ever buy CSHD....Last Call if you will....
This thing will be over one way or another....
The rides been fun but they all eventually end.
You really think so? Would there be anyway to find out? Like is there a site that will show halted/suspended stocks that are on the grey sheets.
Yeah, I will check....
But this thing has to end soon one way or another....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I have a feeling today (June 29th) was the last day to ever buy CSHD....Last Call if you will....
This thing will be over one way or another....
The rides been fun but they all eventually end.
What gives you that idea ? I'd bet this thing continues to trade for years down the road as a shell for .00x-.000x a share and will run up here and there on bogus rumors .
Either the judge is going to grant the halt, like was ask of him....been waiting to hear from him, or it's over in some other way but it's inevitable....something soon....just has to be...somehow...
Nothing lives in limbo forever... Posted by Jenna on :
It's not on the list Igor....
the last halt was on 6/21 (obviously a different company)....
Posted by Igor R on :
I don't understand why Rufus just cant be straight up with everyone. If the judge is over looking the case then theres really nothing else left to do in rufus's "master plan", or atleast I wouldnt think there would be. So, why not just tell everyone everything?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I have a feeling today (June 29th) was the last day to ever buy CSHD....Last Call if you will....
This thing will be over one way or another....
The rides been fun but they all eventually end.
What gives you that idea ? I'd bet this thing continues to trade for years down the road as a shell for .00x-.000x a share and will run up here and there on bogus rumors .
Either the judge is going to grant the halt, like was ask of him....been waiting to hear from him, or it's over in some other way but it's inevitable....something soon....just has to be...somehow...
Nothing lives in limbo forever...
Not following you here...suspension came and went. Don't recall a "halt" of any sort pending before a judge...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex, there was a time..at the begining of the suspension that RPH asked that all trading be halted...it was denied...it seems as though RPH is still asking for this... I have never seen it "written" any where that he requested it...it's simply his "claim" Is it possible? Will he get it? Dunno...
Posted by T e x on :
oh...
ya, no such thing as "indefinite halt," as far as I know. In other words, I believe it was not "denied" but rather pointed out/explained/whatever that such an "escape clause" just doesn't exist.
By way of hyperbole, might be like your kids asking to go to Disneyland-on-Mars for family vacation. Not getting to go has nothing to do with Mom denying the request...regardless of your inclination as da mom, the choice does not exist.
Am not up on the regs in this area, but it seems reasonable to me that companies can't initiate indefinite trade interruptions: 1) "uh oh, our earnings are gonna be way off projections!" "I know! Let's 'halt' till next quarter when we catch up during Christmas." 2) scam operations that are more or less designed to implode could head off "grey-sheet-trauma" with a self-imposed halt. In that case, shareholders are more or less "hostage" to Gainskeeper "ghost values."
Posted by glassman on :
BCIT.
Posted by T e x on :
BCIT another geek-play worth following, to be sure...
wasn't thrilled about being sued, lol...
but for my part, a simple handwritten paragraph or three sufficed as my response. I know some went to significant expense for legal response--and boy, howdy, I considered it! -- but in the end I became confident of my simple, direct reply. Sure can't blame those who felt otherwise, though...
[ June 30, 2007, 19:57: Message edited by: T e x ]
Posted by glassman on :
somebody has managed to keep it from trading somehow... sure would like to know how they have done it..
Posted by T e x on :
ohhh... gotchya...from everything I can tell, is "opposite" of asking for company-initiated halt. That is, even though Megas PR'd the bad certs, he never published a GVRP-type "DO-NOT-TRADE-THIS-STOCK!" PR...
And both lawsuits (BCIT) that I'm aware of seemed to be directed toward resumption of trade. Obviously, peeps disagree passionately over the latest lawsuit in regards shareholder best-interest; still, it seemed to me at least directed *toward* trading, rather than extending the mysterious halt.
Posted by Jenna on :
It's not on the list Igor....
the last halt was on 6/21 (obviously a different company)....
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex, I thought that Rufus asked for a halt in his answer but I could be wrong....
I should go back & read his answer but I'm feeling very lazy.... Posted by T e x on :
well, don't feel like the Lone Ranger, doll...
Mr. Harris has been pretty lazy in regards to protecting shareholders' interests.
Posted by Jenna on :
LOL...Tex....
At least I'm not the only one....
Posted by Igor R on :
Rumors of shares from euroclear being sold? That could help support the case of the new company buyout. How true any of this is though? Thats a damn good question.
Posted by a surfer on :
Here is what happens to people that start rumors... Or people trying to sell before the halt...
Thanks Dollar 13.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
Here is what happens to people that start rumors... Or people trying to sell before the halt...
Thanks Dollar 13.
Wait, so is the halt thing true? Me confused.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex, there was a time..at the begining of the suspension that RPH asked that all trading be halted...it was denied...it seems as though RPH is still asking for this... I have never seen it "written" any where that he requested it...it's simply his "claim" Is it possible? Will he get it? Dunno...
In his "answer to the default" it was written..
"Defendant also prays, 1 . That the Court Immediately orders a Halt trading of Conversion Solutions Holdings Court until this matter is resolved ."
Posted by T e x on :
ya...makes sense, Mr C... good post
btw, was that in the first or second attempt to respond?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
What happenned Friday afternoon to cause the big spike up?
Posted by 10of13 on :
looks like someone put in a test trade for 200 shares...so that would answer the question as to if it was halted..
Thanks Cat..I didn't recall reading that RPH asked in writing for the halt...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: ya...makes sense, Mr C... good post
btw, was that in the first or second attempt to respond?
The second I guess? As far as I know it was the most recent document that was given to the clerk to pass on to the judge.
Posted by PCola77 on :
almost 1.5million shares traded so far. Although, sadly, that's only about $7,500 worth.
Posted by TimW on :
Im curious as to why such high volume (in the millions) daily when theres only 31 million public shares outstanding.
Posted by T e x on :
how do we know the share structure? I thought the TA was gagged--is that old news?
Posted by TimW on :
Just going off the cvsu website as of last summer.
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
Dear God - people are still talking about this scam? I thought this was dead and buried last year....
Posted by TimW on :
LoL Uncle!!
As long as its still trading millions of shares a day its still interesting.
Posted by milliam on :
I never heard that the TA was gagged on this one, but I don't think the TA has actually said what the O/S is currently.
I'm pretty sure the A/S is 200,000,000 though...at least according to my cert.
Posted by T e x on :
can somebody call the TA? would be interesting to hear from them, I think...
Doubt I'll be around during biz hours this week or I would call...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I never heard that the TA was gagged on this one, but I don't think the TA has actually said what the O/S is currently.
I'm pretty sure the A/S is 200,000,000 though...at least according to my cert.
I had called Integrity Stock Transfer several times for the float last summer and fall.
The last # I have written down is 29,486,569 on 9-11-06.
I tried calling after that date and they did say they could no longer share that info.
1-877-317-7757 1-702-317-7757
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm, have all the CSHD faithfull collapsed from extreme beatings? Mental stress could do that!
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Hmmm, have all the CSHD faithfull collapsed from extreme beatings? Mental stress could do that!
WE'RE GOLDEN!
Naw.. just most of us are busy making money elsewhere.. Posted by thesource on :
Dang you guys are slacking big time ......
Posted by 10of13 on :
Was there ever anything about JG going to Atlanta for that SEC thing? He was posting all kinds of "proud" info...and now I see nothing...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Dang you guys are slacking big time ......
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Its funny, you can sense the tension over at the other board and although people are finally questioning things they still appear hesitant to post much negativity because when they do they are called whiners or babies.
thesource....why dont you go sign up over there so you can communicate with a larger group of RPH followers? As you can see, this is a small group here and we dont really follow it that closely anymore so you are kinda wasting your time posting here IMO.
Posted by thesource on :
I'm in jail over on Ihub for posting a picture of a little monkey sucking his wang chung on the GBDX board last night . Those guys are a bunch of cry babies on that thread . All the other threads that I've been on are ok .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I'm in jail over on Ihub for posting a picture of a little monkey sucking his wang chung on the GBDX board last night . Those guys are a bunch of cry babies on that thread . All the other threads that I've been on are ok .
Wow, I thought one could get away with about anything over there
Posted by thesource on :
I guess they didn't like me telling people to take their money off the table and play freebies on GBDX . I also said that it will go back to sub penny by next week .
Posted by Sandusky on :
Rufus has taken this to a new level of obsurdity today. Sheesh.
Posted by Igor R on :
Why? whats going on for those folks with no access to rufus's board?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Sandusky? will you post the "short" version? I really don't want to go read all that yuck...please?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky: Rufus has taken this to a new level of obsurdity today. Sheesh.
There is an attempt to connect this situation with the Wanta conspiracy theory, among a litany of other Grisham-esque fairy tales. Ridiculous. Read this link only if you have a few minutes of your life to waste.
Posted by Sandusky on :
This Rufus post has them all fired up too...who the hell knows what it even is:
(1) 2-page Safekeeping Receipt (dated 7 May 2007) which are: (a) on the letterhead of Federal Reserve Bank of New York; (b) signatured stamped by the Federal Reserve's Chairman and Vice Chairman (c) red-ribbon stamped and sealed by the Federal Reserve (d) holding the following basic data: (1) U.S. Treasury Check Number(s) in denominations of $500M, totaling $2B; (2) Custodial Account No.; (3) Account Name: (matches the Name of One (1) of the Two (2) Members of the Special Purpose Company Client; and, (4) Fed Screen Registration Codes: (a) Access, (b) Security & (c) ID Number
(4) 1-page Confidential Memo (dated 7 May 2007): (a) on the letterhead of Federal Reserve Bank of New York; (b) signatured stamped by the Federal Reserve's Chairman and Vice Chairman (c) red-ribbon stamped and sealed by the Federal Reserve (d) holding the following data: (1) U.S. Treasury Check Number(s) in denominations of $500M, totaling $2B; (2) Name of the Special Purpose Company; and, (3) "Screening Procedures": (a) Access Code: <> (b) Security Code: <> (c) Related Code: <> (d) Net Code: <> (e) Additional Access Code: <> (1) CUSIP: <> (2) SWIFT Code: <> (3) Screening Code: <> (4) ISIN: <> (5) Command Code: <> (6) DTC: <> (7) UWRTR: <> (f) Follow Screen Instructions as appropriate for: (1) Option 1: (for reserving/blocking of the "specific" instrument; (2) Option 2: ----------- (3) Option 3: ----------- (g) If any of the above Options is NOT selected, the "specific" instrument will go off screen.
Posted by T e x on :
well, they've done more than the SEC has anyway...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I wonder what Rufus's personal board is saying about this?
Posted by T e x on :
suspension prolly brought it to PCAOB's attention...or caused it to be, may be more accurate...
Posted by bilgert on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: suspension prolly brought it to PCAOB's attention...or caused it to be, may be more accurate...
yeeeeeeesh. Be curious to see/hear what RPH's spin is on this. I don't know whether to feel sorry for Benson or not.
Posted by T e x on :
guess it depends on his take, if any...
Have no idea whether this has or will affect his day job with the state. Certainly it makes doing business from his "auditor shop" at least a significant problem. I guess his proprietorship still exists--maybe he could hire CPAs to work for the firm?
Posted by bilgert on :
He's barred from being an "associated person with a registered public accounting firm", so it would lead me to believe that his practice is shut down. But his work for the state? Who knows - I imagine that he'd have to disclose this ruling to his higher-ups, and they probably won't be thrilled...
They don't have the authority to revoke his CPA license, but they might as well have.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Auditor is destroyed, this baby has been over for months and just another sign showing why.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Auditor is destroyed, this baby has been over for months and just another sign showing why.
He probably sold at 3.95 and is laughing it up.
But seriously who in their right minds would put their name on an audit with such outlandish claims and not verify them.
It doesn't add up.
Or Rufus snowed him...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: He's barred from being an "associated person with a registered public accounting firm", so it would lead me to believe that his practice is shut down. But his work for the state? Who knows - I imagine that he'd have to disclose this ruling to his higher-ups, and they probably won't be thrilled...
They don't have the authority to revoke his CPA license, but they might as well have.
ya, you're right...basically cuts off access to GAAP accreditation, as I understand it.
oh, well... more ripples in the pond Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Auditor is destroyed, this baby has been over for months and just another sign showing why.
He probably sold at 3.95 and is laughing it up.
But seriously who in their right minds would put their name on an audit with such outlandish claims and not verify them.
It doesn't add up.
Or Rufus snowed him...
could be... is entirely possible anyone in on the rake is sitting back, living the high life, maybe cell-phoning or IM-ing time to time, laughing at the schmucks who continue to wonder.
btw, the contact apparently was the CFO, fwiw...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Interesting... this "report" doesn't say that the bonds or CSHD were wrong or false...simply that Benson didn't look into things more deeply...or as deeply as he is required...and he has no fines? he simply can't be an associated person of a registered public accounting firm...seems he should be able to keep his day job with the state?
Still really doesn't say anything...doesn't tell us anything...but that he should have investigated things more deeply...
I wonder if this will give CSHD a "new chance" at refiling the audits and starting back to square one?
Posted by bilgert on :
asurfer you may be right, Rufus could have snowed him hard- nevertheless it's Benson's practice and professional reputation on the line. So he was either irresponsible and/or recklesss in not verifying CSHD's/Rufie's claims, or he was in cahoots with RPH.
Neither bodes well for Benson.
I kinda take licensing and the ability to freely practice kinda seriously. Mom's a nurse and I'm a licensed professional engineer- both professions that require upholding a certain level of conduct. I find it unconscionable that someone would put their ability to practice and the trust of their profession in jeopardy for the almoghty buck or out of laziness...
Yeah, this doesn't really reveal anything new about CSHD's self-inflicted quandry, but it kinda hit a nerve.
Don't know if this gives CSHD a 'new chance' at refiling audit, but you can bet your boopie that they'd be under increased scrutiny and any CPA worth his/her salt would scream bloody murder about getting anything less than full disclosure from RPH.
Posted by bilgert on :
Don;t know if this has been mentioned before, but the documentnotes a 20 year relationship with RPH, so it lends more credit to the 'cahoots' theory... Ah well. WIsh I could be more optimstic- but I'm not.
Back to watching the 'Live Earth' special. Alicia Keys looks fabulous, FWIW.
Posted by thesource on :
With friends like Dufus who really needs an enemies ??
Posted by T e x on :
wow, 10 ... can PCAOB levy/inflict/cause fines?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: Don;t know if this has been mentioned before, but the documentnotes a 20 year relationship with RPH, so it lends more credit to the 'cahoots' theory... Ah well. WIsh I could be more optimstic- but I'm not.
Back to watching the 'Live Earth' special. Alicia Keys looks fabulous, FWIW.
I believe the relationship was with The CFO at the time. Darryl Horton. Not that it really matters.
Reading this critically can give 2 different stories since we are talking about Rufus here.
First. Benson just signed off and was a party to the deception. Heck he made enough to not only quit his night job but his day job too.
Second, Rufus didn't provide the Board that made the judgment with the information they requested just as he didn't provide it to the SEC. Because of the fact that no information to cooberate the claims that were requested by the convening authority, they had no recourse but to determine that a fraud had been committed.
This will play right into the hands of Rufus and the "loyal" longs. It's all part of the master plan and part of the MASSIVE conspiracy against poor, poor Paul.
Folks, in the immortal voice of Dandy Don Meridith, Turn out the lights, The party's over............
GLTA Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex? I have know clue if they can "levy/inflict/cause fines"...just seems something other than not being able to be an associate should come into play...
BTW...was it Horton or Mosley that was "friends" with Benson...not RPH...both seem to have vanished...
Wally? Lights have been getting dim for a long time...they just won't "turn off"...some how i think this will keep them on and continue the conspiracy...unfortunately...
Posted by T e x on :
Oh...The way I read it, I thought you knew something about the board. lol, "something more"...you want them to give him a pop with a ball peen hammer?
Seriously? I hope some intense forensic accounting is going on...
As far as the lights go, I suspect threads will exist two years from now a la CMKX, QBID etc...
Posted by 10of13 on :
So? if the filing from Benson becomes null and void...would that mean that the "case" from the SEC would need to be dropped? If the filings don't count...they would "re-do" the filings...and then the SEC could withdraw the case?
Just typing out loud the possible spins peeps will put on this...
It's also interesting that Benson had never done an audit of this type before...
Posted by wwilliammc on :
To further the conspiracy along, the five members of the PCAOB are appointed by the SEC
Section 101 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002 describes the establishment, duties, and powers of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board.
Under the Act, the Securities and Exchange Commission appoints the Board's members after consultation with the Chairman of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System and the Secretary of the Treasury. The SEC named the first Board members on October 25, 2002. On May 21, 2003, the SEC named William J. McDonough as Chairman of the PCAOB, and he served in that capacity until November 30, 2005. On June 19, 2006, the SEC named Mark W. Olson as Chairman.
The Act requires that two of the five Board members be or have been certified public accountants. The Act also requires that all members of the Board serve on a full-time basis. The salaries of the Board Chairman and members equal those of the Chair and members of the Financial Accounting Standards Board.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: So? if the filing from Benson becomes null and void...would that mean that the "case" from the SEC would need to be dropped? If the filings don't count...they would "re-do" the filings...and then the SEC could withdraw the case?
Just typing out loud the possible spins peeps will put on this...
It's also interesting that Benson had never done an audit of this type before...
filing can't be granted a "do-over." Company needs to correct it, for sure. In order to ever to file 15c2-11, all the filings will need to be perfected. Won't have a bearing on SEC case--if anything it bolsters their complaint.
Seems as though the "firm" was created to specifically to effect the audit. Remember, CFO and he were "pals" for 20 years...
Who knows the motivation? Perhaps he became convinced that doing public-company audits would be a lucrative sideline, in addition to the state job...perhaps he was promised some take of "a rake."
Would be interesting to know where he is, now...
Posted by wallymac on :
I remember a while back Rufus was on SPR and talked about withdrawing the filings.
Ultimately the company management is responsible for the audited financial statement so even if Benson loses his license, Rufus or whoever was the CEO at the time of the filing would be held responsible...
And wasn't there a fluff way back when the a/f's were filed about them NOT being signed?
Posted by milliam on :
Here's some of what I suppose was posted by RPH about the Benson deal. RPH's attitude is pretty sad IMO!
averageJoe: Rufus are you the only one with the Euroclear codes? If so, how could Benson verify them? Had Benson been given the codes, he probably would've given them to the SEC. Just trying to figure some things out.
RPH: The Euroclear codes are and were available for the public even today
RPH: CSHD was his first audit of a public issuer, looks to be his last audit of public issuer, at least he keep his license
RPH: Ohhhh Mannnnnnn, It is all over, the sky is falling, run for the hills, hide behind something
Darn, and I thought things were going good, I mean we are trading at .003 Now what do we do? I guess we need to close the cshd web site and ********s down now!!
daddo: Is that ALL you have to say about the Benson sanction?
Good God man....YOU signed off on the $800 million balance sheet that Benson [supposedly] audited in the 10-k's as being legit figures.
Seems the figures/assets 'might' NOT BE legit based on the information in the Benson sanction document !
This is really beginning to pysssssssss me off......
"EXHIBIT 32.1
CERTIFICATION PURSUANT TO 18 U.S.C. §1350 AS ADOPTED PURSUANT TO SECTION 906 OF THE SARBANES-OXLEY ACT OF 2002 In connection with the annual report on Form 10-KSB of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (the "Company") for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2006, as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on the date hereof (the "Report"), the undersigned Chief Executive Officer and principal financial and accounting officer of the Company hereby certifies, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. §1350, as adopted pursuant to Section 906 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, that:
1. The Report fully complies with the requirements of Section 13(a) or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934; and
2. The information contained in the Report fairly presents, in all material respects the financial condition and results of operations of the Company.
Dated: October 15, 2006
By: /s/ Rufus Paul Harris Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer
RPH: Yeap, that is all I have to say about that daddo
Hey watch out daddo is getting pissed!! Now we have trouble!!
Posted by a surfer on :
hey were up over 1400% to .047!! LOL
Edit.... My account showed .047 for abouit 3 seconds...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Millam, I agree....RPHs attitude sucked in his responses to the Benson questions. IMO the questions are going to become more and more difficult as the days go by so he better get used to it. Maybe it just bothers him that dedicated long term followers are now asking legitimate questions? I really dont know what he expects anymore.
Posted by Igor R on :
Its sad they just now started doing that.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Ultimately even if Benson screwed up it's RPH arse on the line. It's not like Benson takes the fall alone.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: hey were up over 1400% to .047!! LOL
Edit.... My account showed .047 for abouit 3 seconds...
As of this moment...0.0080 0.0050 166.67%
166.67 UP, is that to the moon...LMAO Posted by thesource on :
Bad ass , some of you guys might own enough shares to cover the cost of getting out . I swear its too bad that one of those horses didn't kick Dufus in his head . That guys is a real piece of work ......
Posted by TimW on :
ROFL.. hold enough shares to get out.. sad but true i think i hold enough to cover my commissions and a few others commisions. Sigh.
Im going to name my daughters dorothy blanche rose and sophia!
Why? Cause WERE GOLDEN!
Ahem...
Wish i was kicked in the head..
Posted by TimW on :
Someone shouldve at least commented on the golden girls reference...
2 million volume so far today *shrug*
Posted by Jenna on :
Tim- I got that reference was funny!!
The Golden Girls is one of my favorite shows....It's on right now on the Lifetime channel....
Posted by milliam on :
Sorry Tim...I didn't get that reference. I tried to figure it out a little, but my brain is drained from trying to figure out CSHD .
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I laughed to myself, but quickly put the mental image of those 4 old hags out of my mind.
Only a total loser would like that show.
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Someone shouldve at least commented on the golden girls reference...
2 million volume so far today *shrug*
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO...Jenna? PC is talking about you again...j/k
Tim I got the reference...didn't want to comment so that this thread might disappear...dropping down to the bottom and fade away...LOL
Posted by PCola77 on :
Tattletale!
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LMAO...Jenna? PC is talking about you again...j/k
Tim I got the reference...didn't want to comment so that this thread might disappear...dropping down to the bottom and fade away...LOL
Posted by 10of13 on :
haha...sometimes one needs to point out the obvious...LOL
Posted by TimW on :
Anyone remember how I got a call asking to "restructure" my investment account?
Today I got a letter..
"This letter is to advise you that Banc of America Investment Services, Inc. has decided to terminate our business relationship."
No explanation, had plenty of cash securities, nothing on margin.
Their way of getting free cshd shares since they have no $ to sell.
Fishy.
Have to august 3rd to terminate positions. Theyll probably be surprised when I call them to say sure terminate everything at market value and send me cert's for CSHD! ROFL
Posted by 10of13 on :
That is odd Tim...make sure they don't charge you for "selling" your securities...or a HCC...!
Posted by milliam on :
Tim...I would think you could just transfer all of your securities to another brokerage. I can't see how they can make you sell anything, but I wouldn't doubt they have some small print in your agreement. BTW, Choicetrade has treated me pretty good so far.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Scottrade offering $100.00 to switch. Try that!
Posted by TimW on :
Scottrade is where im going Glad to hear they are recommended.
None of this is surprising anymore... It just makes me go WHYYYYY?
Posted by thesource on :
I think I got the same deal from BofA and I don't hold any CSHD any more . I think it has to do with trading penny stocks .
Posted by milliam on :
There's a new stock watch article out, but I can't seem to get it. From RPH's board, its about benson.
If anyone can get onto this let me know, I might get you to email me the article.
Posted by 10of13 on :
try this milliam
http://www.stock watch.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=U-s0125035-U:CSHD-20070711&symbol= CSHD&news_region=U
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I think I got the same deal from BofA and I don't hold any CSHD any more . I think it has to do with trading penny stocks .
the cancellation of the "grandfather clause" is probably why they want penny players gone...
Posted by milliam on :
Thanks 10, that worked just fine. Pretty much what I expected from Webb.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Has anyone ever looked into First Uranium Corp? this was on the RPH board...
LOTS of volume last few days. Don't know what that means, but it's interesting.
Posted by bilgert on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Igor? Seems that it is just a data entry/system error or something...I can't find a connection...
FURAF.PK trades in Canada...
It looks like it trades on 2 exchanges TSX and OTC-PK. My DD's just in beginning stage, so I haven't unearthed much. What's the thinking?
Posted by bilgert on :
First started trading on OTC-PK on 12/29/2006 according to otcbb.com
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...it does look like it's a pretty good stock eh bilgert? It seems that there was just a mix up with that particular website for the filing with CSHD... I've looked and can't find any connection and the other board hasn't either... It just started trading in December of 06 Basically? False lead...
Posted by bilgert on :
Well poo 10- I wasted all that time for nothing? Back to my Sam Adams. Good thing all I was doing was watching The Office re-runs...
It looks like a good company though! I won't be buying any though, but the recent volume looks like somebody likes it. Gonna watch it monday for kicks...
The company's web site is impressive. Well organized- and the CEO is very impressive. I think the cvsu.us website could use a few lessons, lol.
Posted by 6digits on :
Man, RPH, I can understand your mad plan to play with the shareholders for eternity, but to allow so much horsemeat to go to waste without calling for a barbecue is unspeakable.
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: Man, RPH, I can understand your mad plan to play with the shareholders for eternity, but to allow so much horsemeat to go to waste without calling for a barbecue is unspeakable.
Wouldnt be surprised if thats what theyve been up to is making another bogus company.
First Uranium sounds alot like FURIA the more you look at it.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm, maybe that wasn't a moon base? Rufus wanted to be the first person to go to Uranus to find Uranium.
Sorry, I couldn't resist. But hey he did give us the shaft! Posted by TimW on :
ow.
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Hmmm, maybe that wasn't a moon base? Rufus wanted to be the first person to go to Uranus to find Uranium.
Sorry, I couldn't resist. But hey he did give us the shaft!
All that was found was a colony of Klingons Posted by milliam on :
In case someone missed this:
PR News Wire
Overstock.com Says Wins Ruling In Prime Brokerage Litigation
Jul 18, 2007 12:07:01 (ET)
DOW JONES NEWSWIRES
Overstock.com Inc. (OSTK) said it received a favorable ruling in its market manipulation lawsuit against brokerage firms.
According to the company, Judge John Munter of the California Superior Court for the City and County of San Francisco ruled that Overstock and it o-plaintiffs have stated viable claims for market manipulation under California securities law, as well as for injunctive relief under California's Unfair Business Practices Act.
Overstock is seeking damages of $3.48 billion in the lawsuit against most of the large brokerage firms, including Morgan Stanley (MS), Goldman Sachs Group Inc. (GS) and Bear Stearns Cos.(BSC).
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
OSTK has been in that battle for quite some time. It looks like they finally have made some progress...good deal.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
It's interesting how more and more info is coming out on what would seem to be market manipulation by big brokerages.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Almost sounds like the other board...(RPH's) is thinking that this will begin trading again...maybe on another exhange? Or maybe there is another merger of some sort coming...maybe that is why "he" said we need CERTS? Here's the post from RPH that was starting the "stir"...IMO...just a statement RPH made and the others are reading what they want into it...
"Jul 17, 2007, 12:17am, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
This is dedicated to the Market Makers (the Gold Diggers)
This time around we got a pre-nuptial from the MM’s "
Posted by wallymac on :
I'm sorry but I don't believe a word the Cowboy says. He has yet to deliver one thing. Let's see what happened to the Proxy and PACER way back in Jan/Feb? BEEP nada zilch nothing.
All we have heard about for month after month was how the boogieman was out to him. DUI, Violation of Probation, they shot his dog, his family was in danger, they took his horses. Nice subplots but at some point in every story the subplots have to tie into the main plot.
Every time something new comes out he jumps on the bandwagon. I'm sorry but mentioning Rufus's name in the same vicinity of Byrne's name is tanamount to blasphemy.
Byrne put this company first and fought the battle on the side, actually continues to fight. I don't remember OSTK every getting suspended or delisted. They still trade on NASDAQ. right?
But CSHD is on the Greys, HMM. now which CEO is taking care of the company and which is full of hot air.
For the last 7 months, OK more, we have been told of this exit plan. WHERE IS IT?
Nonexistent. I think ole Rufie is hoping that one of the other guys win so he can ride their coattails.
OH, I think he may have drafted the Pre-Nup but since he isn't a lawyer forgot to get it signed.
Anyway, can someone tell me how to handle the losses since it's coming up on a year?
Since I never have long term gains how do I write off long term losses?
Thanks for any info that might help.
Wally
Posted by thesource on :
So much for them grabbing the wrong tiger by the tail . I'd hardly call Rufus a tiger , he's more like a ***** cat with out the cat on it .
Posted by TimW on :
gotta post something.. this was nearly half way down the page..
Must not forget our stupidity.
Posted by thesource on :
I for one can't wait till the moon base is finished . Land here on Earth is getting expensive and I figure Rufus will hopefully cash in the certs for land on the moon some time soon . I think thats his ticket for the longs to get out . He's taking them to another planet or in this case the moon .
Ha , lets see the SEC jack with us up there !!!! Freakin brilliant .......
Posted by 10of13 on :
Haha...source...that was actually funny! Thanks for the laugh...honest!!
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I for one can't wait till the moon base is finished . Land here on Earth is getting expensive and I figure Rufus will hopefully cash in the certs for land on the moon some time soon . I think thats his ticket for the longs to get out . He's taking them to another planet or in this case the moon .
Ha , lets see the SEC jack with us up there !!!! Freakin brilliant .......
Posted by thesource on :
I just hope he plans on building a McDonalds up there because my boys will have a shi+ fit if I drag them to the moon and they can't eat at McD's anymore .
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hi to everyone!
It's been a long time without a computer here, so just checking in.
I see I have missed a lot, Just kidding, looks like same as months ago.
Posted by wallymac on :
Thesource, you got me thinking. I know that's dangerous. Hehe. I was going to suggest that Rufus use the Certs to paper mache a supersonic train that was mentioned as a future project but thought I look up the details. Silly me. There are no Joint Venture projects on the CSHD site anymore nor anything on the Moon base or Supersonic Train. But I did find this ironic.
CSHC believes in advancing the human condition and actively seeks investments which impact greatly on the social and economic issues of tomorrow.
With a focus on honesty, value, transparency, accountability and innovation, CSHC offers and expects the highest degree of excellence.
The United States of America was founded on such fundamental democratic principles, CSHC fully intends to be one of its finest corporate citizens.
Our Principles
National and Global Client centered, working in partnership, accountable for quality results, dedicated to financial integrity and cost-effectiveness, inspired and innovative.
Our Values
Personal honesty, integrity, commitment; working together in teams with openness and trust; empowering others and respecting differences; encouraging risk-taking and responsibility; enjoying our work and our families.
I guess a lot got lost in the shuffle.
Unless of course happy face emoticons are transparent.
Wally
Posted by T e x on :
I saw sumpin about an RPH eviction in June 06... izzat new or old?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: I saw sumpin about an RPH eviction in June 06... izzat new or old?
First I heard of it but who am I.
DADDO HSM Regular
Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 287
Anyone know what this property eviction filing was/is all about in June 2006?
Seems he couldn't pay rent even in June 2006.
Defendant: HARRIS RUFUS PAUL Type: INDIVIDUAL Address: 11 SECRETARIOT RD KINGSTON GA 30145
Plaintiff: BERREY PROPERTIES INC Type: BUSINESS Case Number: 062237DS Court: BARTOW MAGISTRATE COURT Court Type: MAGISTRATE COURT Court Address: 135 WEST CHEROKEE #233 CARTERSVILLE GA 30120 Court Phone: (770) 387-5070 Court State: GA County: BARTOW Case Category: SUITS Case Group: LANDLORD/TENANT Case Type: EVICTION Disposition: FILED Filing Date: 06-16-2006 Filing Amount: $2,775.00
Posted by thesource on :
Rufus is just another penny stock con man but he did manage to bring the stock up from sub penny to $4.00 a share which is pretty damn good . Its too bad I got in too late and had too little experience with penny stocks or I could have made a killing instead of losing my azz on it .
Posted by wwilliammc on :
thesauce: I don't think you lost your azz on this stock. I think you found a board where people are feeling bad about their investment and decided to poke and prod and see if you can stir up some ****te which you seem to get off on. I think you want everyone to feel as miserable as you do every day. IMHO Thats my rant for today. Back to lurking.
Posted by glassman on :
he did, but i agree, alot o'people "getoff" on scratching itches till they weep and bleed Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by wwilliammc: thesauce: I don't think you lost your azz on this stock. I think you found a board where people are feeling bad about their investment and decided to poke and prod and see if you can stir up some ****te which you seem to get off on. I think you want everyone to feel as miserable as you do every day. IMHO Thats my rant for today. Back to lurking.
Actually I still have my azz because I'm sitting on it right now as I type this but I did manage to lose about $7500.00 or so on it which is my largest single loss to date in trading stocks or commodities . Rufus is right , I'll never forget his name . Sorry fugger ........
Posted by TimW on :
Lets play the who lost most on CSHD game..
I think im at about ($12,500).. beat you!
Posted by thesource on :
I think that guy Capt Solo on HSM lost his entire lifes savings on this sumbi+ch . I remember him getting all pissed at me back when this first got suspended and didn't want to hear anything about a scam at that point . Now he's one the largest bashers of the stock and I don't blame him one bit .
I was up about $3500.00 at one point (averaged in around $2.20 a share) and I should have pulled the trigger on this POS but didn't . I remember some people claiming they were up over a million bucks and didn't get out or so they claimed . I'd bet thats bull$hit . Either they weren't up that much or they did get out with atleast several hundred grand . This was a very expensive lesson for me and I truely hope that Rufus gets whats coming to him . As for his family , they are just as guilty as he is as far as I am concerned . They have known him for most of his life and knew he was straight up lying his azz off .
Posted by T e x on :
I have a post-mortem game I'd like to invoke, too...
But am content to wait until this one is done...
Is fascinating--morbidly so, perhaps--to see the amounts peeps "entrusted" here...
Posted by thesource on :
What ever happened to all the people that worked for CSHD before it was halted ? Some of you DD professionals should look into this and maybe make some phone calls .
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: What ever happened to all the people that worked for CSHD before it was halted ? Some of you DD professionals should look into this and maybe make some phone calls .
And waste more time and money??
As for losses my dad lost over 100k....no bull
less than 6k here.
pathetic.
Luckily for him its a fraction of his net worth.
As naive as I was at the time I feel I got
off easy...
Ahh the lessons of life.
Posted by TimW on :
As your dad if he wants another son.
Posted by thesource on :
Some one made a killing on this . Hopefully we will find out sooner or later . I don't know whether to shake their hand or kick their azz . I guess it depends on who profitted from it .
Posted by T e x on :
well, as posted... we know MA's transactions grossed around 6 to 7 million dollars--that is, by filings. Anything that's not public record, who knows?
Posted by 10of13 on :
OK...when you people say you lost that much are you saying you guys put that much IN the stock...as in original investment ? Capital? Or are you saying that IF you would have sold that is how much you could have had? Because right now my jaw has dropped and Im shaking my head...now I guess I understand where some of the anger is coming from... Posted by a surfer on :
all capital baby!!!! Original investment.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: OK...when you people say you lost that much are you saying you guys put that much IN the stock...as in original investment ? Capital? Or are you saying that IF you would have sold that is how much you could have had? Because right now my jaw has dropped and Im shaking my head...now I guess I understand where some of the anger is coming from...
Just to give you an idea, I made money. I sold and re-bought some shares prior to the 10K just in case but not near what I made. However I did introduce some family members to this stock, they had never put money into a penny stock before. My uncle who has a nice portfolio of big board stocks sunk close to 100K into this. I tried to get him to sell along the way but he kept hearing Rufus and the $15. He still holds half in certs and the other half in street name. Never sold a single share, even though I pretty much harassed him to sell. The other family members also held. They listened to what Rufus stated over and over and could not believe how a CEO could say those things if it wasn't true.
Thank God my relationship with them is strong enough that they didn't blame me for their losses, unlike some who play pennies and look to place blame anywhere other than where is belongs. However, Rufus is responsible for the simple fact that he repeated over and over to buy the heck out of it and that it would reset to $15. He didn't say he believed or that their was any possibility that it wouldn't happen. He unequivocally stated it would happen.
True story and also the reason I have asked some advice on how to proceed with long term losses.
GLTA Wally
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: As your dad if he wants another son.
LOL yea so next time he'll lose 200k..
Great idea Tim I'll ask......LOL Posted by a surfer on :
The sick part avout my dads loss is that its an IRA trust acct.
Guess what happens there.
YOU CAN"T CLAIM LOSSES........
Thats the part he is most pissed about.
Posted by T e x on :
omg...
these accounts make *my* stomach hurt... which, I guess, is why I kept posting questions along the way. I mean, I knew it was bad, but I never dreamed individuals were going in that deep.
I almost can't believe it, given the warnings and DD--yet, why would anyone lie about such losses?
awful... I trust and hope and pray that even with such a hit, these folks were funded well enough to recover, somehow...
Posted by a surfer on :
The issue I have is that there was NO escape route.
we were at 2 bucks a share then zilch.
And who the hell was buying all these shares at .50 .40 .30 after the halt and why.
Did some of the MM's really think they would have to cover.....
Hell we are just a handful of people here... think of all the people on that list and how much money was lost.
Where did it go??? Mike A. took 6 or 7 mil. I bet there was 10 times that figure lost.
Posted by Igor R on :
About $900 here, $4k for my dad, and $500 for a friend. Compared to you guys its not much, but im broke and in college lol.
Posted by TimW on :
LoL im poor too... Mine was all home equity.. didnt really have the cash to do it.
But im sure none of us have hard feelings. Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: The issue I have is that there was NO escape route.
we were at 2 bucks a share then zilch.
And who the hell was buying all these shares at .50 .40 .30 after the halt and why.
Did some of the MM's really think they would have to cover.....
Hell we are just a handful of people here... think of all the people on that list and how much money was lost.
Where did it go??? Mike A. took 6 or 7 mil. I bet there was 10 times that figure lost.
no escape route?
not following... supposed to have escape route in place, before placing the buy order.
what am i missing?
Posted by thesource on :
This is why its important that this SOB gets whats coming to him . I lost my money and it sucked but I'm in other things and have a good cash flow to bounce back . Others lost alot more and cannot replace it . As I said before , I am pretty sure Capt Solo lost his entire lifes savings and even lost his wife after she found out it was pissed away by some con man .
Posted by glassman on :
Tex, the SEC suspension sortof messed up an orderly escape route...
that's why i want them to make their case...
they work for the taxpayers...
of course the $$ is gone, but false SEC filings deserve jail time in this case if ever...
if you recall? the filings showing hundreds of millions were in evidence for months before the halt.
if Rufufu and a few others wasactually facing a jail sentnce? then this would be put to bed once and for all...
i am not satisfied with the current level of data available...
Posted by stockcop on :
Is this a sewing circle or CSHD talk ?
You guys still after almost a year think this POS is gonna do something ?
Posted by T e x on :
As posted well before the suspension, plays like these can be quite lucrative to flip early on, but the time comes when one simply must realize that each succeeding flip is more dangerous precisely because of the possibility of suspension.
As shown with BHUB, the parameters are even more precariously precise now, given the NASD's new halt tool. Risk/reward, position sizing, tracking day-trades: all these and more need to be part of the plan, especially if one is not in a PDT account...
Posted by glassman on :
as far as i'm concerned? filing false SEC filings is the same as lying under oath...
i want to see them prove he lied, not just all this assumption BS...
as for profit and loss? i came out ahead, cuz i sold most of my shares and said when i did it, which is rare for me (to post a buy or sell point), but this was a rare case after all
do you think anybody should be allowed to file false SEC statements and NOT look out thru the grey bars?
as for the sewing circle comment stockcop? i think that if you know it all, and don't need to learn anything else? then you should tell us all about how everything works... i never expected anybody would actually claim hundreds of millions in assets in a filing when they had NOTHING,
yes, i expect people to inflate #'s as often as they can, by percentages, but 700+ million$ from outa the air is preposterous, and if anybody does this? they belong in jail... so, IMO the SEC is asleep at the wheel... they have a fiduciary duty to throw these liars into the pit of doom Posted by 10of13 on :
Glass i agree...the SEC has done more harm than good in this case...sorry source I don't agree that it was RPH...at least not completely..."someone" did something...and "someone" gained largely...just not sure who, how or why... Part of me thinks that RPH might have been scammed as well...we may never know...
I feel for those that lost in this...I was lucky enough to cover more Capital and take some profit early on...via flipping for the first few weeks...I did loose some of my profit in the halt and I was "dumb" enough to buy more shares on the greys...but not near what some of you have posted...very sorry Posted by glassman on :
whether a stock is a scam or not? somebody is taking "chips off the table" in quite a few plays...
i have to say that the recent runup on the DOW makes me wonder how much recent rule changes and the overall loss of collateral due to the subprime lending has forced the hedgers to cover short positions.
we've seen a good year but it's only July and it MAY be too good (so far)...
Sen. Bennett Renews Call for Hearing into Stock Market Fraud by Mark Faulk
In a speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate today, Senator Bob Bennett (R-UT) called for Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd to conduct a hearing into stock market fraud, bspecifically addressing the issue of naked short selling. Sen. Bennett has been a long time proponent of stock market reform, and was instrumental in proposing a Senate Banking Committee hearing into naked short selling as early as late 2004, which were eventually shelved by then Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL). He said that Sen. Dodd, who has entered the 2008 Presidential election, was willing to conduct a hearing into the issue:
“I think it is serious enough that we ought to have a hearing about this in the Banking Committee, and I have spoken to the Chairman of the Banking Committee, Senator Dodd, and asked him if it wouldn’t be possible for us to have much of a hearing at some point in the future, and he’s expressed a willingness to do that. I can understand, we can’t set a time for that right now. There are too many other things going on in the Banking Committee, but I’m delighted to know that he’s willing to cooperate with us in examining this. And I would like to suggest several things that I would like to discuss at that hearing.”
A source close to the issue said, “Senator Bennett has spent an enormous amount of time studying this problem, he’s intimately familiar with the abuses in the stock market. This speech is his opening salvo.” He went on to say that “We need an avalanche of letters and emails from every state in the Union going to every member of the U.S. Senate, urging Sen. Dodd, the chairman of the Banking Committee, to hold the hearing on Sen. Bennett’s recommendations.”
After first explaining the basic issue of naked short selling to his fellow Senators, Sen. Bennett then addressed the SEC and the creation of the DTCC, and their role in trade settlement, and how the need for a system to facilitate trade settlement led to the creation of the DTCC, or the Depository Trust and Clearing Corporation. He said that the while the DTCC is regulated by the S.E.C. that” I don’t think that last statement is true. I’m not sure that the S.E.C. has control over the DTCC. He then quoted from a Wall Street Journal article that said, “Almost all stock is now kept at the company central depository and never leaves there. Instead, a stock buyers’ brokerage account is electronically credited with the securities entitlement. This credit can, in turn, be sold to someone else.”
Then Sen. Bennett described how electronic settlement, which he called “replacing paper with electrons,” can “provide cover for naked shorting of the stock” because shareholders are given an electronic credit for the purchase instead of physical delivery of the shares. From there, he described how electronic trading, and the DTCC’s practice of keeping shares in what has become known as the “DTCC Borrow Pool,” invites manipulation of the system:
“So this happens: a short seller enters the market and says, “I want to short—I want to sell 1,000 shares of XYZ stock so at some point he has to produce 1,000 shares to cover his sale. How do you do that? You borrow the shares. And then you buy them back at some future time. All right. From whom do you borrow them? The DTCC. They have all of the shares on deposit. So you go to the DTCC and you say, I want to borrow 1,000 shares of XYZ stock. They say, fine, we have them on deposit and will lend them to you so you can use them for your ‘short’ sale. All right, everything’s fine. Except that, in this electronic age, it is possible for you to keep shuffling around the electronic impulses that represent the stock and never, ever, have to buy it back. Stop and think about that, Mr. President. That’s a pretty good business plan. You can sell as much as you want and never, ever, have to pay for it. You could go in, the stock trading at $5 a share. You go in and sell 1,000 shares. You paid $5,000 for selling 1,000 shares and you never have to buy them. Because you are constantly moving around the electronic impulses that represent those shares. You never have to cover.
Now, when you talk to the DTCC people they say ‘No, we always make sure that there is a delivery and if there’s not, it’s not our fault. It’s not our responsibility to police this, it is up to the brokerage house to do this.’ The S.E.C. has spent enough time looking at this and enough time talking to me that they issued to me a three-page letter outlining the steps they have taken to stop the practice of ‘naked short selling.’”
After talking about recent rules implemented by the S.E.C. in an effort to deal with the problem of naked short selling, he talked about another method of circumventing the rules, a scheme that is commonly referred to as “stock kiting,” where two brokers pass shares back and forth between themselves, with each one holding the shares for thirteen days, the limit before forced settlement of the trade, and then passing it back to the other broker, where, according to Sen. Bennett, “they ping-pong these back and forth as long as they want. So you can have a situation where people are selling shares that don’t exist, taking commissions on the sale, and the profits of the sale, and never ever having to produce the shares.”
Bennett also said “I think a Congressional hearing is a good place for those who are running the DTCC to explain to us how it really works. And I would like the S.E.C. to come in and give us their background and information as to how their rules are working to try to stop the naked short selling.”
He laid out a number of proposals in his speech, including “a rule that says that brokers cannot borrow for short sales more stock than is on deposit with the DTCC. I think that’s just obvious. If there are 3 million shares of XYZ company on deposit at the DTCC, people should not be able to short sell 4 million shares…So my first recommendation would be that the DTCC cannot make available loans for short sellers more stock than they have on deposit. Once they have reached the point that 100% of the shares they have on deposit have been loaned out, they can’t loan out anymore. I think that’s just an obvious, commonsense recommendation, but it doesn’t apply now.” He also said, “there ought to be a rule that says that a broker cannot be paid a commission on a short sale until the shares are delivered.”
"It does not involve very many people, but for the people—to the people who are involved, it, frankly, can be a matter of life and death. And there are enough of them starting businesses and creating entrepreneurial activities in the United States that we owe it to them to find out exactly what is going on with respect to this.
That’s why I’ve asked Chairman Dodd to consider a hearing on this matter, to let us hear from the S.E.C., to let us hear from the DTCC, to let us hear from those in the marketplace who have actual experience with this and see if the present S.E.C. rules are sufficient or if we need to do additional things around the lines of the two items that I have suggested.”
Our anonymous source, who has spent years behind the scenes working for stock market reform, stressed that the hearing could hinge on the level of response from those who have been affected by stock market fraud, saying, “There’s been no bill introduced, but Senator Bennett is prepared to introduce a bill if these issues are not resolved. We need a nationwide campaign to get people to write their senators urging them to tell Sen. Dodd to hold hearings into the issues that Sen. Bennett addressed in the U.S. Senate today.”
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Glass i agree...the SEC has done more harm than good in this case...sorry source I don't agree that it was RPH...at least not completely..."someone" did something...and "someone" gained largely...just not sure who, how or why... Part of me thinks that RPH might have been scammed as well...we may never know...
I feel for those that lost in this...I was lucky enough to cover more Capital and take some profit early on...via flipping for the first few weeks...I did loose some of my profit in the halt and I was "dumb" enough to buy more shares on the greys...but not near what some of you have posted...very sorry
Rufus was the captain of the ship . The bucks stops there and he should have his azz hammered to the wall for filing those bonds . Its his job to verify them and make sure they are legit before running his big mouth to the world and promising $15.00 a share . He is a scammer and knew that he was lying out of his teeth when he said those things .
Posted by 10of13 on :
thesource? I kinda look at it this way..."us investors"...thought we had DD'd and looked into everything...thought we knew what we were doing...we convinced ourselves that this was "real"...Can it not be that RPH thought he had done the same? Sure...he was the "Captain"...but he was just as positive as we were that all was real...we made a mistake...why couldn't he have? Yes...you can blame RPH...but the real person to blame is "our selves"...just as if it's not real, RPH should blame himself...
"We" won't ever agree on everything...my gut tells me that RPH's intent wasn't to scam us...just as your gut tells you he did...bottom line is...looks like this was a scam...that much "we" can agree on...
Posted by TimW on :
Cold day in hell when i feel remorse for his position. He is the CEO, he is 100% responsible.
So we lose some money, big woop, it happens.
This however isnt really a stock loss, more of a theft and fraud.
Hope he goes to jail for life and the county jail lets shareholders pick his meals!
Hed be chewing testicles dipped in ovulation juice for the rest of his life it were up to me!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: thesource? I kinda look at it this way..."us investors"...thought we had DD'd and looked into everything...thought we knew what we were doing...we convinced ourselves that this was "real"...Can it not be that RPH thought he had done the same? Sure...he was the "Captain"...but he was just as positive as we were that all was real...we made a mistake...why couldn't he have? Yes...you can blame RPH...but the real person to blame is "our selves"...just as if it's not real, RPH should blame himself...
"We" won't ever agree on everything...my gut tells me that RPH's intent wasn't to scam us...just as your gut tells you he did...bottom line is...looks like this was a scam...that much "we" can agree on...
He is the one that claims to be some kind of expert on bonds . He's the one that made the statements and guaranteed something he couldn't produce . He's the one that filed that bs in the Georgia court . He's the one that filed the 10K . He's the one that went on SPR and on HSM running his mouth and stating as it were a fact that the stock will be reset at $15.00 a share . He's the one that knew something wasn't right with the reverse merger but chose to say nothing . He's the one that will not hire an attorney . He's the one who got the company here in the 1st place by not cooperating with the SEC to begin with .
Do I believe that he knew this was all bogus from the get go ? Hell yeah I do . Ask yourself this , where did all the money go him and Ben S. claimed to have had before the BBAN scam ? They claimed to be in control of millions of dollars in bonds but nothing has ever been heard about it since . Where did all the money go he claimed the US gov put him in charge of ? Come on , you have to see a pattern with this guy . Hind sight is 20/20 but atleast take your glasses off so you can see it .
I'm sure it doesn't really bother you as bad as it does people who fell for this crap and lost a lot of their own money just like I don't feel bad about making money in ECFL even though its a scam clear as day .
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...I agree that IF RPH was the scamster...feed him what ever you like...(your choice seems a little high in the protein department...)
Yes, hind sight is 20/20...we knew about the BBAN thing...we knew about the country club thing...and all the other HUGE red flags...yet...we placed our money in it...
My glasses were never really on...but I've put on the reading glasses and waiting to read the news on "who done it"....
Source? You stated..."He's the one who got the company here in the 1st place by not cooperating with the SEC to begin with"... That is ONE of the reasons why I don't think that he was the "one who done it"...
At this point I need more than just an opinion on who THINKS did it...i need the full disclosure...that's all i am waiting on and hoping for...I don't want this to just disappear and never really KNOW the answer...what ever that answer is...
Posted by glassman on :
seems to me that people who want the scams to just disappear are the same people that wanna pull the next one after everybody forgets the last one...
Posted by thesource on :
I can't answer you on why this retard sticks around . If it were me , I'd be on the first plane to Costa Rica and live it up there .
I "think the answer to the question is the guy is not all there and thrives on the attention he receives from this . Maybe he is the victim or maybe he's just too damn stupid to realize that this is for real and he's facing some serious stuff if the FBI does file criminal charges against him and the others involved .
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: seems to me that people who want the scams to just disappear are the same people that wanna pull the next one after everybody forgets the last one...
If thats aimed toward me , I never said I wanted this to disappear . I hope this thread stays near the top and people can learn from it without having to experience it first hand . I got caught up in it back in Sept and it was my first penny stock . I'd always heard the penny stocks were bad news but figured what the hell . Now I've lost in this one and a few others as well . The biggest problem is greed . Penny stocks promise huge gains and very little risk (so the pumpers say when pumping). Anyone that tries to question something is automatically labled a basher or didn't do their DD . GBDX is a prime example of this right now . Those guys have everyone brain washed on Ihub and run off anyone that questions them . I was thrown in jail for 10 days because of it and yes I still hold a small portion of shares but they are mostly freebies .
Posted by wallymac on :
thesource, You have to ask yourself a few questions before condemning Rufus, completely.
What I wonder is why you and others that want to place the full blame on Rufus fail to post anything about Mike Aslezander(SP on purpose) Now here we have the guy that made himself a sweetheart deal in taking FHAL public through Furia. He admits to selling shares, even though, he claims it was his wife. He made profit. Now factor in the Log deal that was proven false that he brought to the table prior to Rufus being involved. Also that he had enough money to buy another company and attempt to do the log deal again. Funny that the company he attempted to merge with backed out of the deal after DDing the log deal. So how can anyone let him off the hook?
Too further my point, Mike took over the company and then put it back in Rufus' hands. I wonder if that was when he got the TA to issue him the additional 50M shares? Because shortly after that he helps to put TUT in power, begins for the first time bashing Rufus and has since disappeared.
Rufus is the only one who is still available and talking. Mike, Dave Perley and TUT have all gone underground. According to all info that is coming out, Rufus is broke, he got evicted, lost his horses, can't afford a lawyer. Heck so then where is all the money he supposedly made on the deal?
There is much more to the story than Rufus being the scamster. As I have posted before he is responsible in that he pumped the stock, guaranteed people things he was not able to provide and as you say was the man behind the wheel.
The difference is that I believe there were people who were doing the driving from the back of the bus. He is not educated and has said so many times on SPR. In fact, he has stated that he learned everything from the Internet. He is the perfect patsy.
My biggest problem with him at this time is his evasive postings and lack of decency by not giving people who have lost here the information they are entitled to.
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Source? "I "think the answer to the question is the guy is not all there and thrives on the attention he receives from this . Maybe he is the victim or maybe he's just too damn stupid to realize that this is for real and he's facing some serious stuff if the FBI does file criminal charges against him and the others involved ."
LOL..that could very well be the answer...
Posted by thesource on :
You are correct but once again I say this in response . It was Rufus who shouted the loudest and beat on his chest in triumph . He's the one who made the guarantees , no one else . As for Mike "A".zzhole , I'm sure he's not out of the woods yet . I heard the FBI paid him a visit a while back and probably told him that he's not in the clear just yet . I'm not sure how fut tuck is involved other than he was looking to score big on this deal . Maybe its a lot deeper than that but I cannot say one way or the other . I do believe that bozo "Jesus Power" will be praying to the real Jesus before this is all over to save his sorry azz as well because he was wrapped up in this P&D and had insider info .
As said before , if Rufus was all the things he's claimed to be then he would not have been taken advantage of like he's trying to paint the picture . I think Rufus indirectly made money on this and the others probably made it a little more directly . If Rufus didn't profit from this scam , then he's even a bigger retard for it because its his head on the chopping block .
Posted by T e x on :
Deciding "who exactly did what" does not particularly interest me... at some point, even the best Joe Retail DD can go only so far...
At this point, what *does* interest me is future prevention... Do any of you, upon reflection, think that those who were hoisting red flags and asking questions (that no one seemed to want to hear) could have posted differently or better? ie, would any amount of DD or poster's "rep" have mattered? Or, to frame it another way-- what if anything *could have posted* to help avoid/prevent such staggering losses?
Posted by thesource on :
No . People that dumped money into a stock only want to hear one thing and that is they are going to be rich . It goes on in every single POS penny stock scam there is . I think the SEC is doing what they can to limit losses by halting these POS's but they can't eliminate losses , thats impossible to do . I hate to say it but boards like this one and others are the perfect breeding ground for P&D's to take place . Hell the internet in general is the perfect place to scam some one in general . Look at Ebay for example . That site is loaded with scammers and ebay sends out warnings all the time to their customers and yet people are still getting scammed every day on the site .
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex? ALL the signs were there...Some people got VERY defensive about this stock...that was odd...seems if LESS were to post so much negative? might have not gotten everyone so convinced that "the bashers" were out and THIS MUST be worth something...
What I found "interesting" and rather odd? Why DID so many come on to all of these boards...when they claimed to have NO "investment" in this stock and spend so much time posting? IMO..it's one thing to post a concern...it's another to spend so many hours posting on a stock that "you claim to have no investment in"...get what I mean? IMO there was too MUCH of that...it "fed" RPH's theories of the NSS...and a year later? More NSS information is coming to the surface about the exchanges in general...
Less negative posters? this would not have stayed on the top of most boards...hense...less people noticing it...resulting in less investors...IMO...
Posted by thesource on :
How about a "Buy the crap out of it" just for old times sake ???
On a side note , I got a pm from Portman the other day saying he enjoyed reading my post . Not sure if that was an insult or a compliment . I'd love to hear his take on this whole matter since he's been awefully quiet the past few months .
Posted by 10of13 on :
the source...portman saying he liked reading your posts? betcha it was the comment on the moon base and land on earth being expensive...haha...
Posted by a surfer on :
Preying on naivety is the key here.
If something sounds to good to be true it probably is.....
My investing strategy has changed dramitically over the past year and the lessons learned from CSHD will forever be etched in my mind.
I merely look at this as a stepping stone to becoming a better investor.
Was I naive...... you bet your azz.
Tex, your question of how to prevent this in the future is a difficult one....
Think of how many pages of DD were done on this and how it was portrayed. We had the warning right in front of us and most had blinders on, including me.
Every person here is responsible for his or her actions.
All we can do is bring honest knowledge and hope that dueful respect will be given to both sides of the discussion, good or bad.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? ALL the signs were there...Some people got VERY defensive about this stock...that was odd...seems if LESS were to post so much negative? might have not gotten everyone so convinced that "the bashers" were out and THIS MUST be worth something...
What I found "interesting" and rather odd? Why DID so many come on to all of these boards...when they claimed to have NO "investment" in this stock and spend so much time posting? IMO..it's one thing to post a concern...it's another to spend so many hours posting on a stock that "you claim to have no investment in"...get what I mean? IMO there was too MUCH of that...it "fed" RPH's theories of the NSS...and a year later? More NSS information is coming to the surface about the exchanges in general...
Less negative posters? this would not have stayed on the top of most boards...hense...less people noticing it...resulting in less investors...IMO...
interesting take...
about "negative" posters, I mean... I don't remember rph mentioning NSS until late in the game...
thanks for the reply...I hope some others respond as candidly. I'm really interested in this aspect...
Posted by T e x on :
source pens: "I hate to say it but boards like this one ..."
Another reason I'm asking, for reasons I trust are obvious...
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: source pens: "I hate to say it but boards like this one ..."
Another reason I'm asking, for reasons I trust are obvious...
I'm not following you ..... Please explain .
Posted by 10of13 on :
thesource? Tex is asking in order to better allstocks because he is a mod...and he attempts to put the P&D at a minimum here
The "boards" like this one?
I do find Allstocks to be the "least" pumpish...even through all this mess with CSHD...allstocks didn't really have the posters coming on and saying...BUY BUY BUY...
I see some on the under .10 threads that are a little questionable...but for the most part...allstocks seems to have the "least"...
I check some of the other boards to get a feel for the "hype" of a stock...you can't really get that here...
Posted by thesource on :
I agree this board is less pumpish than Ihub or HSM . I've been out spoken on this maybe a tad but its mainly to get my point accross and to atleast put the thought in people's head that they were scammed and that the world is full of these kind of people . I know some of you try to find the good in all people but in some cases , there is none to be found . Rufus is good at playing the sympathy card and he has a great audience to play it in front of .
Lets keep this in our minds and become a smarter trader from it . We can only hope at this point the SOB gets whats coming to him .
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I agree this board is less pumpish than Ihub or HSM . I've been out spoken on this maybe a tad but its mainly to get my point accross and to atleast put the thought in people's head that they were scammed and that the world is full of these kind of people . I know some of you try to find the good in all people but in some cases , there is none to be found . Rufus is good at playing the sympathy card and he has a great audience to play it in front of .
Lets keep this in our minds and become a smarter trader from it . We can only hope at this point the SOB gets whats coming to him .
The irony here is that posters like Tex, Glassman 10 of knowledge, myself and others have done a few things from the begin of this play. We all stated to protect your capital Number 1, take profits on the way up and the fact that this stock was an excellent tool for learning.
Getting on a soap box and calling a play a Scam only causes the stock to get more exposure. Naive people wouldn't even be aware of it if not for the redundancy of negative post being counter by positive post. That not only applies here but to quite a few other stocks I have seen in the last year and a half. The funniest thing is the ones I spotted as either a Scam or too risky have been some of the biggest gainers during that time. I stayed out of many of them. I mean you want to look at a real SCAM look at IDWD. People have been waiting 2 years for a buyout, that still hasn't occurred. Yet it had a nice run up last week. Where's the SEC? how can a company PR and promise something for 2 years and never deliver? Blind eye, Magic, protection? Who knows. In the IDWD play the CEO had even been convicted of selling unregistered securities but that had no effect. Postponed Dividends ETC ETC. I posted what I had learned and visited the board every once in a while but it wasn't making me money and no matter what I posted people were still going to buy. I could name a number of other suspicious stocks but why? If people really want to buy and believe they will. There is nothing anyone can do to dissuade them.
Ask Tex about my posting on VWKM, the facts I posted and the response I received. Heck, IMO Astrom belonged in jail but was able to sell the shell and move on to another Scam. He learned well from his father.
Boards like this one or it's competitors will only be completely successful if people post facts or speculation based on facts. The CREDO, I have learned at Allstocks is: LINKS PLEASE!!!!!!!
Discussion is a wonderful thing but to often ECO gets in the way. Some see a stock as a SCAM without doing any DD on it and others think it's the next Google without looking critically at it.
Human Nature, Greed? Possibly but it might also be the simple need to be recognized in life. I can say that the people that jump on the band wagon calling a stock a Scam months after it's PPS has fallen and DD has shown a problem are looking for that pat on the back and maybe even to build a Rep as a SCAM buster because it will make things easier for a pick they have in the future.
There are/and will always be agendas. Spotting agendas by researching the poster as well as the stock will become more and more important.
Messages boards are not the problem. The abuses of some that post on them are a problem. I have been banned from a couple boards without ever knowing what I did wrong. Yet have seen things posted on others that make me cringe.
It's not a perfect world. We all learn, for some the lessons are more expensive than others but it's the same in life.
Dang, enough already. Shut up Wallymac. OK I slapped myself upside the head.
GLTA Wally
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: The funniest thing is the ones I spotted as either a Scam or too risky have been some of the biggest gainers during that time. I stayed out of many of them. GLTA Wally
this is the way of the market, and it's not just the pennies that work this way...
the "problem" is just more obvious in the pennies...
IMO? the pennies are "safer" because a trader "should" already know the risks...
in the "bigs"? people are often convinced their "investment" is a "sure thing"....
it's not, playing the markets is always gambling...
if you want to make regular money without a half-million to invest? the pennies are theonly place...
even my grandpa knew this: bears will, bulls will run, and hogs always get slaughtered..
Posted by milliam on :
This is all some pretty interesting discussion...its about time .
So maybe I still have the blinders around, but I'm not sure that this is over yet (everything lost). I haven't made my mind up on Rufus's guilt, but I do feel that David Perley is a snake and that either Mike Alexander is too, or was really used by DP. I'm leaning toward the snake moniker for him though.
My question is...can someone summarize the red flags and explain what we should have known about with each one? I don't doubt most all of us leaned toward the answers to the red flags that fit into us making money, but I seem to remember most of the answers making pretty good sense. The only real red flag I can remember (that should have really hit home) was the toxic financing deal with AJW, but I can't remember at what point that came out. That whole deal also seemed to be lost once the merger was done and became a gray matter in and of it self.
Another point I'd like to make...I think we can all agree that NSS exists and I think most of us can agree that it was part of CSHD. So, even if the bonds and all of that was made up, is there not still illegal money out there that needs to be returned to us?
As 10 stated earlier...I just hope there is some closer with this one way or the other.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Milliam, I can't remember exactly at what point I first noticed this thread (or rather the CSHD thread 400 or so generations ago...) but I remember coming on here and saying something like "can someone explain how a 6:1 is different than a forward split? If it's trading at .40 now, and people are saying it will be reset to $15 per share AFTER the dividend, taht equates to a $90 PPS, or 22500%. If that was really likely, or even remotely possible, why wouldnt' it already be close to $90 per share?" I was lambasted for the question and basically called a basher and told to go away. That reaction in and of itself kept me from buying a single share, because the doubt, coupled with the reaction taht I got made me stop and say "woah, somethign just doesn't add up here". Not sure what other red flags there were out there at the time, but that one was big enough for me.
quote:Originally posted by milliam: This is all some pretty interesting discussion...its about time .
So maybe I still have the blinders around, but I'm not sure that this is over yet (everything lost). I haven't made my mind up on Rufus's guilt, but I do feel that David Perley is a snake and that either Mike Alexander is too, or was really used by DP. I'm leaning toward the snake moniker for him though.
My question is...can someone summarize the red flags and explain what we should have known about with each one? I don't doubt most all of us leaned toward the answers to the red flags that fit into us making money, but I seem to remember most of the answers making pretty good sense. The only real red flag I can remember (that should have really hit home) was the toxic financing deal with AJW, but I can't remember at what point that came out. That whole deal also seemed to be lost once the merger was done and became a gray matter in and of it self.
Another point I'd like to make...I think we can all agree that NSS exists and I think most of us can agree that it was part of CSHD. So, even if the bonds and all of that was made up, is there not still illegal money out there that needs to be returned to us?
As 10 stated earlier...I just hope there is some closer with this one way or the other.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Just curious...we all wondered how they were going to revalue the shares without a split and/or dividend. Anyone know if they adjusted the par value of the stock if that would have done it? Just wondering.
Posted by Igor R on :
Is this the first day with no volume? A sign that we're at the gates of victory? or the gates of defeat? LOL
Posted by Igor R on :
Never mind that last post, guess my streamer was frozen.
Posted by milliam on :
Pcola, I see your point about the 6:1. I agree that it is/was/? seemingly the same as a forward split. Why the price didn't increase based off of it? I guess it would be the same reason the price didn't jump up each time the book value was increased due to a bond being added.
It was quite odd that a quadrillion dollar bond being added increased the book value to $70, but yet the stock only moved up .25 to $3 or so (I'm just pulling numbers out of the air here BTW).
So...who's to blame for the price not increasing? I think that each time good news came out, the price did move up initially, but then fell and usually fell past the earlier close. P&D? NSS? Some of both? I hope we find out!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Milliam, I can't remember exactly at what point I first noticed this thread (or rather the CSHD thread 400 or so generations ago...) but I remember coming on here and saying something like "can someone explain how a 6:1 is different than a forward split? If it's trading at .40 now, and people are saying it will be reset to $15 per share AFTER the dividend, taht equates to a $90 PPS, or 22500%. If that was really likely, or even remotely possible, why wouldnt' it already be close to $90 per share?" I was lambasted for the question and basically called a basher and told to go away. That reaction in and of itself kept me from buying a single share, because the doubt, coupled with the reaction taht I got made me stop and say "woah, somethign just doesn't add up here". Not sure what other red flags there were out there at the time, but that one was big enough for me.
quote:Originally posted by milliam: This is all some pretty interesting discussion...its about time .
So maybe I still have the blinders around, but I'm not sure that this is over yet (everything lost). I haven't made my mind up on Rufus's guilt, but I do feel that David Perley is a snake and that either Mike Alexander is too, or was really used by DP. I'm leaning toward the snake moniker for him though.
My question is...can someone summarize the red flags and explain what we should have known about with each one? I don't doubt most all of us leaned toward the answers to the red flags that fit into us making money, but I seem to remember most of the answers making pretty good sense. The only real red flag I can remember (that should have really hit home) was the toxic financing deal with AJW, but I can't remember at what point that came out. That whole deal also seemed to be lost once the merger was done and became a gray matter in and of it self.
Another point I'd like to make...I think we can all agree that NSS exists and I think most of us can agree that it was part of CSHD. So, even if the bonds and all of that was made up, is there not still illegal money out there that needs to be returned to us?
As 10 stated earlier...I just hope there is some closer with this one way or the other.
BASHER! Go away!!
j/k I think I remember that
Posted by T e x on :
milliam,
re: "red flags"
too many to quickly summarize, but I'd say it starts here, first PR this thread:
in hindsight, how many "flags" do you see in that PR?
As far as pps moving more "on events" ... not enough market players believed
Posted by PCola77 on :
Damn it Tex, you had to post that link didn't you. I just read through way more of that than I'd like to admit. Wasted a good chunk of my evening
Although I learned a hell of a lot from that thread, not just about FHAL/CSHD, but about a lot of the posters and ex-posters here. Very interesting stuff.
Posted by PCola77 on :
LOL. Honestly I have no idea who it was that said stuff to me, and I have no desire to know. I do know that had it happened now, and not last fall/summer, I would have been MUCH more "inquisative", at the risk of being attacked mercilessly, because I'm at the point in my tenure at Allstocks that I feel comfortable with my take on stocks, be it from DD, instinct, whatever. Can't say I would have been able to "save" anyone, but I would have tried my damndest.
BASHER! Go away!!
j/k I think I remember that [/QUOTE]
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Just catching up and have read several good posts!{some not so good, you know who you are}
Wally, I liked how you reminded some that there is more than one person to blame.
I really feel sorry for all that have lost a lot of money on this. Rememeber that old saying: Don't put all of your eggs in one basket?
My hope's and prayer's are for all to be healthy and happy { and maybe a little wiser when it comes to penny stocks} This has been my first in penny stocks and what a ride it has been!!!
Posted by T e x on :
why do you use { }s ?
just wondering...
you do realize that's odd, right?
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...thanks alot Tex...I started reading the old thread...BUT I found my first post on this stock that said to protect you capital...at around .30...(which I had already done...) It brings back some old memories...that's for sure...
posted July 12, 2006 03:04 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Free Muney: are you all just optimistic because your all invested? I am in at .105 and am considering selling at .31 to recoup my principal and ride the rest... does everyone feel like the breakout should continue? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Always protect your capital! If you leave some for another ride...it's all Profit after that!
GLTY!
AND Tex...using { } "looks" prettier...AND this is allstocks...most things are "odd"...j/k
Hi Stock Momma!
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Tex, did you miss picking on me or what?
Who ever said that I'm not odd anyhow! { }
Hi 10!!!
Posted by T e x on :
lol, not picking...
"No pick!" cf Seinfeld episode...
just wondering, cuz that French brace thing is odd, to me...
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
I'm just a bad typer! Wouldn't know my azz from a hole in the ground if it wasn't for allstocks!
I never communicated thru a computer until I got up enough nerve one day to post after lurking for weeks. At least I don't do one finger at a time anymore LOL
Posted by T e x on :
lol
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Good night to all and to all a good night.
Posted by milliam on :
Tex, in hindsight, I guess I can see some red flags, but I'm wondering what we should have seen as a red flag in that PR (or anywhere) back then before we knew what we know now...wait, do we actually really know anything now/yet?
I'm not trying to be difficult, I just want to learn as much as I can here. I've already paid enough tuition, I want something for my money!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Ooooh, what's going on? We are up 100%.
Posted by GreenDay on :
Yea, back to a penny( wish it were a dolllar)
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: why do you use { }s ?
just wondering...
you do realize that's odd, right?
Thats an interesting and {odd} question IMO. Posted by T e x on :
another guy here uses 'em...lol, read some of his stuff, sometime...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Oh, I forgot to comment on this....
Of course there were red flags...TONS of red flags. Heck, they started even before Rufus came along. $1.5 billion in revenue from soggy logs? Then promises of $15 a share when it was at trading at .30 - .60 a share. Then the Ben and Rufus history. Then billions in bonds that no one could confirm. The entire thing was a giant red flag IMO....which is why i have to laugh at people that are still yelling scam today.
This is why several of the more experienced people here suggested that we all "cover capital!". I did that, as well as flipping for some profit, and im thankful that I had the people on this board to suggest it (I did "lose" a healthy chunk of profits however). The problem for most people is that they came along "late" and paid premium prices for their shares....those people had little to no chance of covering their initial investment.
Sometimes its hard for me to remember that although some of us were in very early there are a lot more that got in at higher prices. If nothing else happens it would be nice to see those people get their money back at the very least.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: another guy here uses 'em...lol, read some of his stuff, sometime...
Ahhhh, that makes more sense. I wondered if there was a reason for the question.
Nice little walk down memory lane with your link there Tex. A few months back I was curiously digging around the various threads looking for clues of P&D on our board and there are definitely some interesting things if you look for them. Oddly those posters havent been around since last Fall too....ok maybe not that odd.
Another good walk down memory lane is to dig up the old MP3s from M N 1 and Subpenny radio. The thing i find interesting about the them is the consistency of what RPH said then and what he is saying now. This was all VERY well thought out, one way or the other.
Posted by T e x on :
I've felt that way, since early on...
Posted by GreenDay on :
I just used them () cause it was an afterthought I guess. Didn't think too much about it as being weird. Who's the other guy that does that? By the way, I'm a gal. If it were a dollar, I'd could make back all I lost on this last summer.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay: I just used them () cause it was an afterthought I guess. Didn't think too much about it as being weird. Who's the other guy that does that? By the way, I'm a gal. If it were a dollar, I'd could make back all I lost on this last summer.
You and Ocqueoc. Both "Gals" Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay: I just used them () cause it was an afterthought I guess. Didn't think too much about it as being weird. Who's the other guy that does that? By the way, I'm a gal. If it were a dollar, I'd could make back all I lost on this last summer.
{triovestor}
Posted by glassman on :
Another good walk down memory lane is to dig up the old MP3s from M N 1 and Subpenny radio. The thing i find interesting about the them is the consistency of what RPH said then and what he is saying now. This was all VERY well thought out, one way or the other.
i listened to alot of those: the thing that struck me is how Rufufu really "seems" to me to be a true believer... (i hate to interject politics here) but he reminds me of Bush in that way...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Another good walk down memory lane is to dig up the old MP3s from M N 1 and Subpenny radio. The thing i find interesting about the them is the consistency of what RPH said then and what he is saying now. This was all VERY well thought out, one way or the other.
i listened to alot of those: the thing that struck me is how Rufufu really "seems" to me to be a true believer... (i hate to interject politics here) but he reminds me of Bush in that way...
Agreed, which leads me to believe that IF he is not "in control" he could possibly be taken for a ride like the rest of us.
Im pretty fed up but I still follow RPHs posts at the very least to see what kind of riddles are being passed around. If we have already won like he suggests then I really see no reason for the games that are still being played....even the folks on his board are beginning to get very restless.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hooters tomorrow in G.A. , with Rufus and the Mrs.
Milliam, are you able to go? Or not care to? It's being said over at RPH site. 12:00.
I figured if I started out with Hooters , more would pay attention. Ha-ha
Just thought I'd pass it along.
Posted by Igor R on :
Wait which hooters? If its for real, I'll be there no doubt. Hit me up with some more info, I don't have access to rufies site.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
What is being said is Cartersville.
It sounds real, if your interested, I'll ckeck into it more.
Are you close to there?
Posted by Igor R on :
probably about 30 miles or so, not to big of a deal.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
I just read a few more pages over there and a couple of the posters asked him to meet at hooters one day this week.
He said the 25th at 12:00, so it is up to you , if you want to believe it or not.
Posted by Igor R on :
well mapped it out, about 42 miles. I don't mind making the trip, but I'd hate to go and there not be anyone else there. Milliam you going to go?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Shareholders meeting at Hooters? This just keeps getting better and better. LOL
Posted by milliam on :
I'd love to go, but its about 2 hours drive from work and I'm pretty swamped here. I've been trying to figure out a way to make it, but I don't think that I can.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Shareholders meeting at Hooters? This just keeps getting better and better. LOL
Next week its Mons Venus.....
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Shareholders meeting at Hooters? This just keeps getting better and better. LOL
I wouldn't say its a shareholders meeting. Basically someone asked to meet RPH for lunch and he posted the Hooters location, the date, and the time.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: I figured if I started out with Hooters , more would pay attention. Ha-ha
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: well mapped it out, about 42 miles. I don't mind making the trip, but I'd hate to go and there not be anyone else there. Milliam you going to go?
Damn if I lived less than an hour from this jack azz , I'd be a royal pain in the azz for him .
Posted by Igor R on :
So, is this thing confirmed at all at the other board. I wouldn't have a problem going there, but what if no one shows up lol.
Posted by a surfer on :
Igor wish I could help...
For some reason they won't let me on that site...
Tried to register a few months back.
Probably a blessing.
Posted by GreenDay on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Shareholders meeting at Hooters? This just keeps getting better and better. LOL
Next week its Mons Venus.....
LOL from a Tampa Girl
Posted by milliam on :
It sounds pretty solid. One of the guys is actually coming down from Kentucky for it. From what I've read, it will be him and a guy from Atlanta along with Rufus and his wife. I'd go if I was closer. If you've never met Rufus, I'd suggest you go. I'll be real curious to hear what you think of him.
Posted by Igor R on :
Alright well I guess I'll make the trip. Could someone keep me updated by text message to the cell phone incase of any changes, somethings wrong with the internet on my phone, so I can't check the boards.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Igor, I'm sure if no one else show's up, you will still enjoy a lunch at Hooters Posted by Igor R on :
well im here, and they got wifi lol, so far no sign of rufus that i see, on a sidenote, google said it would take an hour and 10 minutes, i got here in 50. i need to try out for f1 racing haha
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: well im here, and they got wifi lol, so far no sign of rufus that i see, on a sidenote, google said it would take an hour and 10 minutes, i got here in 50. i need to try out for f1 racing haha
I wish i could be there. Im very curious to see who shows and what is discussed.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Shareholders meeting at Hooters? This just keeps getting better and better. LOL
Next week its Mons Venus.....
LOL from a Tampa Girl
In your case we will meet in Ybor City!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Geez, Rufus has some stones to announce stuff lkike that (if he really shows up). I'd imagine there are more than a couple of people who'd be very willing to do him some physical harm if tey saw him in real life.
Posted by retiredat49 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Geez, Rufus has some stones to announce stuff lkike that (if he really shows up). I'd imagine there are more than a couple of people who'd be very willing to do him some physical harm if tey saw him in real life.
Stones OR stupidity....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Geez, Rufus has some stones to announce stuff lkike that (if he really shows up). I'd imagine there are more than a couple of people who'd be very willing to do him some physical harm if tey saw him in real life.
I was thinking the same thing...a man in his position might be better off keeping a low profile!
Posted by 10of13 on :
I was thnking that he wasn't "allowed" near or in bars...that probation thing....
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Geez, Rufus has some stones to announce stuff lkike that (if he really shows up). I'd imagine there are more than a couple of people who'd be very willing to do him some physical harm if tey saw him in real life.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I was thnking that he wasn't "allowed" near or in bars...that probation thing....
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Geez, Rufus has some stones to announce stuff lkike that (if he really shows up). I'd imagine there are more than a couple of people who'd be very willing to do him some physical harm if tey saw him in real life.
Hmm I guess that depends on the rules of his probation.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Geez, Rufus has some stones to announce stuff lkike that (if he really shows up). I'd imagine there are more than a couple of people who'd be very willing to do him some physical harm if tey saw him in real life.
Yea, and the people on RPHs board seem to be already panicking about that. Ive already read something along the lines of "some people over at HSM are planning to crash the Hooters lunch" as if you have to be a member on RPHs board for an invite. IMO this type of thought process will generate hostility that was probably never there to begin with.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I was thnking that he wasn't "allowed" near or in bars...that probation thing....
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Geez, Rufus has some stones to announce stuff lkike that (if he really shows up). I'd imagine there are more than a couple of people who'd be very willing to do him some physical harm if tey saw him in real life.
Hmm I guess that depends on the rules of his probation.
I think it also depends on how you classify the place. Is it a bar or is it a restaurant? I believe its the latter.
Posted by new2stocks on :
lol...one person from HSM was thinking about going to the lunch, I don't consider that "crashing". I agree with you CAT, that type of thinking alone could create a bad situation. If I was Rufus though, I wouldn't be making in public knowledge of where I was going to lunch!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Hey Cat...I saw you posting over at the other board...hard to tell if RPH is showing up there or not...
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: lol...one person from HSM was thinking about going to the lunch, I don't consider that "crashing". I agree with you CAT, that type of thinking alone could create a bad situation. If I was Rufus though, I wouldn't be making in public knowledge of where I was going to lunch!
edit: I guess the person from HSM that was going to go is the same person from here that went! Thanks Jenna
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Hey Cat...I saw you posting over at the other board...hard to tell if RPH is showing up there or not...
Well...so far it seems he hasnt showed. It appears as if someone did show though and kidnapped Igor!! Posted by 10of13 on :
So RPH goes to Hooters and the PPS goes up 100%? LOL...
Posted by 10of13 on :
"hemmi" from RPH's board just posted
Re: Wednesday, July 25th « Reply #350 on Today at 1:27pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It went well. Nothing really to report. Just that Rufus is a really nice guy, and seems to be really confident.
We just ate some food and chit chatted. Thats about it!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: So RPH goes to Hooters and the PPS goes up 100%? LOL...
Is he looking for Sabra? Maybe a new board of directors? LOL
Maybe he will give each shareholder a Hooters Girl in place of the 6 for 1. I'd be interested in that! Posted by a surfer on :
Where's Igor???
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Shareholders meeting at Hooters? This just keeps getting better and better. LOL
Next week its Mons Venus.....
LOL from a Tampa Girl
In your case we will meet in Ybor City!
Mons Venus is a special club in Tampa....
considering your above post you would like it 69.
I would post the website but I might get banned...
Posted by Igor R on :
Hey i'm here, it went pretty much like hemi said, rufus couldnt really tell much of anything. But it was nice to finally meet him, and see he's real. Theres really not much I can report though, except to say rufus still seems confident. Was it worth it to go out there? I suppose.
Posted by milliam on :
So Igor, what do you think about Rufus? First impressions, etc.
I guess I'm glad I didn't try to make the 4 hours of driving to go. I sure felt like I was going to miss out though.
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..so Igor...you must be the "other guy" hemmi didn't know...LOL
Posted by Igor R on :
He seems normal, he wasn't quite as talkative as say on SPR, especially since he couldn't answer much. He seems like a smart fellow, it really doesn't seem like he's lying about this whole thing, seems like a pretty straight shooter. I guess you could say that my confidence level in the stock was raised a little, but it wasn't much to begin with. But we'll see what happens.
Posted by Igor R on :
Yea I didn't know anyone there, cause they were all from ********s.
Posted by thesource on :
Some how I think the Hooters girls were probably more impressive than Dufus was . Did someone atleast threaten his azz ??? Aw shi+ , I forgot he's probably got secret service body guards on the presidents orders since they are buds .
Posted by 10of13 on :
Well...now you have met some of them... Glad that you didn't have to go "out of your way" to get there... and thanks for letting us know that "nothing was said".... Back to waiting...
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Yea I didn't know anyone there, cause they were all from ********s.
Posted by Igor R on :
Dude the hooters girls there were pretty damn good looking lol. People asked rufus real questions, there really wasnt much sugarcoating, but he still couldnt answer cause it wouldve been insider trading. It wasnt a koolaid fest like people thought.
Posted by thesource on :
Did he atleast pick up the check for everyone ? Its the least he could do after all this crap .
Posted by a surfer on :
Thanks for taking the time to go Igor...
Posted by Igor R on :
Dunno, I left at about the same time as hemmi as I had to go downtown and get some financial aid stuff sorted out at school. I don't know how long they stayed for afterwards.
Posted by thesource on :
What did Dufus have to eat over there ?? I'd offered to buy him some oysters on the half shell . I'd make sure the waitress brought him some that had been left out for a while .
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: What did Dufus have to eat over there ?? I'd offered to buy him some oysters on the half shell . I'd make sure the waitress brought him some that had been left out for a while .
Thats actually exactly what he ordered I believe, oddly enough. Some guy from ********s "kccman" called the hooters and said he would pay for a round of drinks, too bad i wasn't of drinking age yet lolol.
Posted by thesource on :
Hopefully they were nice and warm .
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Hopefully they were nice and warm .
The oysters or the girls?
Posted by thesource on :
The oysters for Dufus and the girls for me .
Posted by a surfer on :
source please find us a winner stock.....
quit drooling here. You know you are...LOL
Posted by milliam on :
Thanks for recap Igor...RPH really does seem pretty smart doesn't he. I don't think there's any doubt that he's confident. I (like eveyrone else) sure hope that confidence has something good backing it.
Posted by milliam on :
I think we've found thesource of the bitterment in the world .
Posted by bilgert on :
Very nice work Igor. Thank you for taking the time to go.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: source please find us a winner stock.....
quit drooling here. You know you are...LOL
I'm not sure there is a true winner in the penny stock world . If there is , I haven't found it yet . Danskin seems to be the most solid penny stock only because they are now tied with Iconix but with out news and some of the worst IR I've seen , the PPS sucks .
Posted by glassman on :
source, pennies are for trading...
the lesson here is take your 20-40% and be happy
cut your losses at 10-15% and yup, be happy you didn't lose more...
whenver people start talking ten baggers? they may get one: out of thirty or fourty ....
Posted by Igor R on :
I totally forgot to ask him about how hes surviving/living, with cshd in a stalwart right now, its not like hes getting a salary.
Doh Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Everybody!!
Hey Igor!! I'm so glad you got to go today!!!
I wanted to let you know Rufus posted something to you on the board....
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey IronChef You are back on!!!! Posted by Igor R on :
Hey can you tell him my username there was ironchefigor, and im still IP banned haha.
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
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Posted by Jenna on :
You got it kid!!
(I call you kid in a loving way!) (You said you're not old enough to drink)....
I think Rufus may have left...he hasn't posted in a while but I will post it hopefully StockProphet can help....
I'll let you know what happens... Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: I totally forgot to ask him about how hes surviving/living, with cshd in a stalwart right now, its not like hes getting a salary.
Doh
ya... is crazy...company could catch up on filings, explain "CEO mystery," send PR re MM-search... etc etc...
Yet, no word.
On the other hand, lol, rph goes to Hooters and you'd think Amazon released earnings or sumpin'
no wonder he seems "confident"
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: You got it kid!!
(I call you kid in a loving way!) (You said you're not old enough to drink)....
I think Rufus may have left...he hasn't posted in a while but I will post it hopefully StockProphet can help....
I'll let you know what happens...
dang... where you been? Vacation?
Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Sexy Texy....
I've been working more....been at the other board checking in....
I have to work more....my money went bye-bye....
I really could use that $15/share right now Posted by Igor R on :
Me too, would get me out of a nice pickle of a situation im in right now lol.
Posted by Jenna on :
Igor, it seems as though there are quite of few people that are in a pickle right now....... Posted by Igor R on :
My situation is for me very ****ty, but compared to some people involved in this stock its nothing.
Posted by Jenna on :
Igor,
I haven't gotten a response yet from my post about your log-in problems...I just bumped it...
I'm going to bed now but I will bumo it again tomorrow....
Posted by PCola77 on :
Has anyone ever asked Rufus how many shares he owns? Would be interesting to find out if he's got a huge vested interest in the share price increasing or not. Never seen it mentioned, I don't think.
Posted by milliam on :
I don't remember exactly, but I think it was around 9 million.
I'm pretty sure he has a vested interest in this.
Posted by Igor R on :
I remember in some pr it said 9 million but then later on some pr or filing said 7.5 million (approximately), another question that slipped my mind yesterday .
Posted by PCola77 on :
OKay thanks. Igor, on short notice like that it's tough to gather your thoughts about what you should ask him. No worries.
Posted by stockcop on :
You guys got nothing else to do than pretend to like this POS ?
IT IS, WAS A SCAM.
GO HOME !!
Posted by milliam on :
But I am home Posted by T e x on :
rph on subpenny, pumping some spy TV show...
Posted by wallymac on :
Here's my response on IM. I very rarely get a chance to listen and
WallyMac: Hey Bro, Just happened to be listening tonight and Lo and Behold, RPH shows up. I guess he is saying that CSHD is as much fiction as the show he is pumping "Burn Notice". If I got the drift Is he trying to say he got left out in the cold? Come on all he has to recommend TV shows and nothing on the stock.
My take is that he,RPH, will jump on any bandwagon he can to get sympathy and stay in the spot light.
He seems to portray himself as so smart, well why doesn't he get that what the bagholders, I mean shareholders want is news pertaining to CSHD and not self promotion?
GLTA Wally
Posted by glassman on :
burn notice? i like that show
it's on USA Network in 20 minutes here...
kinda funny with a lot of violence, what else could you want? Posted by T e x on :
well, I could name several things I would want from a company whose shareholders find themselves in this position. TV shows ain't on the list...
Posted by Igor R on :
He actually talked about Burn Notice at hooters. He mentioned how you could draw correlations between the plot of burn notice and the story of CSHD.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: He actually talked about Burn Notice at hooters. He mentioned how you could draw correlations between the plot of burn notice and the story of CSHD.
LOL I am seriously laughing now....
kind of uncontrolably.....LOL
Posted by 10of13 on :
Do "they" smoke something "particular" in RPH's neck of the woods? This just gets further and further into that "trip" land...LOL
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: He actually talked about Burn Notice at hooters. He mentioned how you could draw correlations between the plot of burn notice and the story of CSHD.
one gets that was also the point of the SPR "appearance"...
When Simon asked a question about the company? rph replied, "ahhh...you're breaking up."
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Do "they" smoke something "particular" in RPH's neck of the woods? This just gets further and further into that "trip" land...LOL
Love this post!!!!!!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Do "they" smoke something "particular" in RPH's neck of the woods? This just gets further and further into that "trip" land...LOL
Yes and they listen to the Eagles. Hotel California. Some lyrics are changed to fit the situation.
In a dark Penny Alley, cool wind pumping my hair Warm smell of Dinero, rising up through the air Up ahead in the distance, I saw shimmering light My head grew gidddy with the sight of dollar signs I had to stop for the night There he stood in the doorway; I heard the ATM spewing cash And I was thinking to myself, 'This could be Heaven or this could be Hell' Then he lit up a Hundred and he showed me the way There were voices down the corridor, I thought I heard them say... Welcome to the Land Of Penny Scams Such a lovely place (Such a lovely place) Such a lovely farce Plenty of room in the Land of Penny Scams Any time of year (Any time of year) You can find it here His mind is conspiracy-twisted, he's got tons of deals in the air He's got a lot of pretty, pretty bonds at a place called Euroclear How they dance down in Georgia, sweet twisted prose. Some piss off the SEC, some just run and hide, So I called up the RUFUS, I said I'll give you my Deed' He said, 'We haven't had that spirit here since the old BBAN Days' And still those voices are calling from far away, Wake you up in the middle of the night Just to hear them say... Welcome to the Land Of Penny Sacms Such a lovely place (Such a lovely place) Such a lovely farce They livin' it up as they dance down in Georgia What a nice surprise (what a nice surprise) Rufus, Bring your alibis smiley faces are the only answers, The money in a vise And he said 'We are all just prisoners here, of of the systems device' And in the Rufus chambers, They gatheried the Money whilr stab the Shorters with steely knives, But they just can't kill the beast Last thing I remember, I was Running for the door I had to find the passage back To the capital I had before 'Relax,' said the night man, 'We are programmed to receive. You can check-out any time you like, But your Money will never leave!'
I asked for the answer and Rufus Replied: Watch USA tonight Burn Notice will survive. I will use it's premise and keep you adrift. It will be many many months before you can guess but if you do research you may find a Straw for the Koolaid I am serving and please pass it out.
I tasted the koolaid but spit it back out. I said Jack Daniels if you please
He said: We haven't had that spirit here since MA went away.
Now slither off you heathen or you will discover Where Dave and TUT are.
We are happy to emcumber any knowledge you may seek.
The courts will deliver just you wait and see.
Then I will be emperor and own AMTD.
The markets are my playground I give Karma at will.
If you continue to mock me I will set you adrift
The know boat is filling and you have lost your spot
So it's time that you go now float away on air shares.
There is only an entry and no exit in sight
but if you question I will smite you with scripture and laugh in your face
For I am the Rufus, such a pretty place, such a pretty face
How can you deny me
My rightful place
As the King of Avoidance
The above was a collaboration with the artist formerly know as Bilgert.
Wally
Posted by new2stocks on :
That was great wally!!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...Wally? Did you get a hold of that "smoke"? too funny...
Posted by new2stocks on :
4309, Inc. (the Company), a Company incorporated in the state of Delaware as of December 9, 2005 plans to locate and negotiate with a business entity for the combination of that target company with The Company. The combination will normally take the form of a merger, stock-for-stock exchange or stock- for-assets exchange. In most instances the target company will wish to structure the business combination to be within the definition of a tax-free reorganization under Section 351 or Section 368 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, as amended. No assurances can be given that The Company will be successful in locating or negotiating with any target company.
The Company has been formed to provide a method for a foreign or domestic private company to become a reporting ("public") company whose securities are qualified for trading in the United States secondary market.
Posted by new2stocks on :
As of July 24, 2007 Paul D. Poetter was appointed as the Company's President, Chief Executive Officer, Chief Financial Officer, Chairman of the Board and Secretary.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Word on the street says that this may be our "exit" I don't know if it is or not....could be a bunch of BS....who knows.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm ?
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: poetter New Member
member is offline
Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 4 Karma: 21 [ Exalt | Smite ] Re: Wednesday, March 21st « Reply #315 on Today at 11:49am »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [quote author=searchoftruth board=general thread=1174454324 post=1174495303]Why a proxy? What do you think we will be voting on?
I CANNOT SAY AT THIS TIME.
And are they wanting CSHD to start funding JV's ASAP or are they patiently waiting for Rufus to catch some crooks first? AS MR. HARRIS HAS STATED, HE WANTED TO START FUNDING OF PROJECTS BUT THE SEC BLOCKED HIS EFFORTS...THE JUDGE AND SHAREHOLDERS MUST HAVE THEIR SAY IN THE PROXY NOW.
IN RESPONSE TO ANOTHER QUESTION: THE JUDGE MUST APPROVE ANY PROXY OR 15C-211 FORM BEFORE THE SHAREHOLDERS GET TO SEE THEM. THE TIME FRAME AS MR. HARRIS HAS STATED, IS OUT OF HIS CONTROL, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS????
PAUL
Posted by thesource on :
So if there is a new CEO , why couldn't Dufus have said that at the little Hooter meet up the other day ? Forgive me for asking and maybe I don't want to know the answer but who the "F" is Paul D. Poetter ? Any relation to Harry ?
Posted by T e x on :
what is this? admittedly, did not read every line, but I can't tell what company this filing is referencing....
Posted by Igor R on :
The company is called 4309, Inc.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex, It is a "non trading company" Looks to be that "they" are taking "steps" to get to be a trading company..."the company's name is "4309, Inc" More smoke and mirrors...IMO... Poetter has been "involved with" CSHD since the beginning...A while back RPH said that he "passed the torch"...and some seem to think it was Poetter that it was passed to... And I thought "passing the torch" simply meant passing the joint...as in that "particular" that RPH smokes...
Posted by T e x on :
shat...
yet another nook...or is it cranny?
by "non-trading" are we saying "public" but hasn't been trading? Or, "private" paving the way to go public?
4309 rings a tiny, tinny bell, for some reason...Poetter, of course, the name is familiar--can't recall the context, yet...
Thanks a bunch, 10 & you, too, Igor
Posted by Igor R on :
So basically if 4309 relates to cshd, then I think it will work like this. According to that 8k 4309 has 100k outstanding. So the previous share exchange idea people were talking about being 1 for 1 wouldnt be 1 for 1, but some other ratio. Unless the o/s of 4309 got raised. Anyway, so we would get out shares exchanged for real non air legit shares of 4309 thus forcing huge short covering + rico damages + if the bonds are real at all then the value of those + whatever else im forgetting?
Sounds conceivable but loony at the same time haha.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: So basically if 4309 relates to cshd, then I think it will work like this. According to that 8k 4309 has 100k outstanding. So the previous share exchange idea people were talking about being 1 for 1 wouldnt be 1 for 1, but some other ratio. Unless the o/s of 4309 got raised. Anyway, so we would get out shares exchanged for real non air legit shares of 4309 thus forcing huge short covering + rico damages + if the bonds are real at all then the value of those + whatever else im forgetting?
Sounds conceivable but loony at the same time haha.
ya...forget bonds, ie, put that in the "loony" stack, imo
Now, shorts... what exactly are you thinking would "force" a short cover?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
lol the 4309 website is even more unprofessional then CSHD's was.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: So basically if 4309 relates to cshd, then I think it will work like this. According to that 8k 4309 has 100k outstanding. So the previous share exchange idea people were talking about being 1 for 1 wouldnt be 1 for 1, but some other ratio. Unless the o/s of 4309 got raised. Anyway, so we would get out shares exchanged for real non air legit shares of 4309 thus forcing huge short covering + rico damages + if the bonds are real at all then the value of those + whatever else im forgetting?
Sounds conceivable but loony at the same time haha.
ya...forget bonds, ie, put that in the "loony" stack, imo
Now, shorts... what exactly are you thinking would "force" a short cover?
Not so much as im thinking "force" but hoping "force" if that makes sense. Honestly a forced short cover seems our only option to possibly get our capital back and maybe some extra. Dunno how that would come about though, im still a market newbie.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Sorry, I wish I could get my capital back to, but it just isnt going to happen, I mean if it could it would have already. If you can give me one example of a company that was in the dollars that went to pink or grey sheets and traded subpenny and then made a miracolous come back please show me.
Posted by T e x on :
"Dunno how that would come about though,"
Ok, honest answer, as I take it...
best wishes for your college years, Igor...got a son who's about to transition from Juco level to University...lotta work....lol, especially at you guys' age...
best,
tex
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Sorry, I wish I could get my capital back to, but it just isnt going to happen, I mean if it could it would have already. If you can give me one example of a company that was in the dollars that went to pink or grey sheets and traded subpenny and then made a miracolous come back please show me.
Its wishfull thinking by those who lack trading experience or those who think good always win over evil . It sucks that we lost our money but worst things have happened . I just hope the SEC and the FBI nail the azzes of those responsible .
Posted by a surfer on :
Where's the proof that 4309 has anything to do with CSHD????
Seems like another rabbit out of the hat trick...
No proof no pudding...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
isn't 4309 some cleaning spray maybe it's to clean up all that golden stuff that fallen on us
Anyway if this related to cshd and it is our exit. I think it'll work like all those waattle share holders. We'll have to wait and then when the time is right sell out our shares stick someone else with the bag until they run this company into the ground and start up a new one. Just a thought
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: So basically if 4309 relates to cshd, then I think it will work like this. According to that 8k 4309 has 100k outstanding. So the previous share exchange idea people were talking about being 1 for 1 wouldnt be 1 for 1, but some other ratio. Unless the o/s of 4309 got raised. Anyway, so we would get out shares exchanged for real non air legit shares of 4309 thus forcing huge short covering + rico damages + if the bonds are real at all then the value of those + whatever else im forgetting?
Sounds conceivable but loony at the same time haha.
I was dd'ing it & saw something stating the O/S was 100,000,000 shares...I will try to find it....
Posted by Jenna on :
Doesn't this say 100,000,000 mill shares A/S? I'm not to good at this part....
4309, Inc. (a development stage company) NOTES TO FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
8. Stockholder's Equity:
Preferred stock includes 10,000,000 shares authorized at a par value of $0.001, of which none are issued or outstanding.
Common Stock includes 100,000,000 shares authorized at a par value of $0.001, of which 100,000 have been issued for the amount of $100 on December 31, 2005 in acceptance of the incorporation expenses for the Company.
9. Required Cash Flow Disclosure for Interest and Taxes Paid:
The company has paid no amounts for federal income taxes and interest. The Company issued 100,000 common shares of stock to its sole shareholder in acceptance of the incorporation expenses for the Company.
Yes Jenna..100,000,000 that are "authorized"... there are 100,000 ISSUED...meaning..."they" haven't issued the remainder of that 100m
Posted by Jenna on :
So, 10, that means they still have 99,900,000 that they can issue?
How do they go about doing that? Is that how they do an IPO?
Edit: Sorry my math was bad....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
they should have 99,990,000 left I believe
Posted by glassman on :
yes, they can issue those other 900K shares with the proper SEC filings... often they use a 424b (prospectus) filing...
PROSPECTUS
ADVANCED CELL TECHNOLOGY, INC.
13,516,367* SHARES OF COMMON STOCK
*Does not include 20,397,296 previously registered shares that are covered by this Prospectus
This prospectus relates to the resale to the public by the selling security holders of up to 13,516,367 shares of our common stock, par value $.001 per share, underlying (i) convertible debentures issued in 2006 in the aggregate original principal amount of $10,981,250, convertible at a conversion price of $0.288, (ii) common stock purchase warrants issued in 2006 at an exercise price of $0.3168, (iii) common stock purchase warrants, with an exercise price of $0.3168, issued to a broker-dealer as commissions paid in connection with the private placement of the 2006 debentures and the 2006 warrants. Additionally, this prospectus also relates to the resale to the public by the selling security holders of up to 20,397,296 shares of our common stock, par value $.001 per share underlying (i) convertible debentures issued in 2005 in the aggregate principal amount of $22,276,250, convertible at a conversion price of $0.90, and (ii) common stock purchase wa
IPO's require alot more paprework and cash.that's why shell co's (cos that don't have any value from business) are still worth a lot of money cuz all you have to do is buy a controlling interest in the shares of the co. and you are PUBLIC.... then the dilution usually starts
IPO's require alot more paprework and cash.that's why shell co's (cos that don't have any value from business) are still worth a lot of money cuz all you have to do is buy a controlling interest in the shares of the co.
So, what are ways a company can "release" these authorized shares?.....Do they just put them into the market? If so, how does the company benefit?....or do they issue them to officers & restrict them? How does that work....
By the way, thanks in advance for this lesson
This could very well have nothing to do with CSHD but I still appreciate what you are teaching me & others that are lurking Posted by glassman on :
here's one way...
usaully a company likes to find a big buyer to make large transactions (to save money on costs) then the buyers resell them....
PROSPECTUS
ADVANCED CELL TECHNOLOGY, INC.
13,516,367* SHARES OF COMMON STOCK
*Does not include 20,397,296 previously registered shares that are covered by this Prospectus
This prospectus relates to the resale to the public by the selling security holders of up to 13,516,367 shares of our common stock, par value $.001 per share, underlying (i) convertible debentures issued in 2006 in the aggregate original principal amount of $10,981,250, convertible at a conversion price of $0.288, (ii) common stock purchase warrants issued in 2006 at an exercise price of $0.3168, (iii) common stock purchase warrants, with an exercise price of $0.3168, issued to a broker-dealer as commissions paid in connection with the private placement of the 2006 debentures and the 2006 warrants. Additionally, this prospectus also relates to the resale to the public by the selling security holders of up to 20,397,296 shares of our common stock, par value $.001 per share underlying (i) convertible debentures issued in 2005 in the aggregate principal amount of $22,276,250, convertible at a conversion price of $0.90, and (ii) common stock purchase wa...
notice this part? issued to a broker-dealer as commissions paid in connection with the private placement of the 2006 debentures and the 2006 warrants.
they even paid the comissions with shares...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna... You've heard many of us say that a company is "dilluting"...A company benefits when they sell the Authorized shares INTO the market... You've seen posters say that there were only X amount outstanding...as of a certain date...meaning the company hadn't offered the remainder of the authorized to the public...but pretty much a company can sell any amount of shares that they want..UP TO the authorized number...after that they have to take further steps to increase the authorized...
edit: this is "my version" of what glass just posted..LOL
Posted by glassman on :
to increase the Authorised? they have to hold a shareholder meeting and have a vote...
except in some states like FLA where the meeting doesn't HAVE to be held if the majority shareholders can be polled without a meeting...
lots of those FLA co's often do it first and tell you later... Posted by 10of13 on :
Glass...dont most companies have it written into their "by-laws" as far as how they have to increase the authorized..or does that depend on the state in which it became incorporated and their governing laws?
Posted by Jenna on :
OOOOHHH........OK Thanks Glass Thanks 10, I think I got it now.....so they can sell those shares to whomever they want....can go into the market or to Brokers or can be given as payment.....thanks so much for that......
& 10,..Dilution...YUCK.....I hate that!!!
Posted by glassman on :
i beleive it is state laws 10...
however?
The rights of shareholders depend largely on provisions in a corporation's charter and by-laws. These are the first documents which a shareholder should consult when determining his or her rights in a corporation. Shareholders also generally enjoy the following types of rights: http://law.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/shareholder-rights
FLA slipped that law in while Jeb was governor... it caught a few of us by surprise back in 04 when we first started seeing co's use it...
Jenna this a great resource, and with alittle searching? almost all basic questions can be answered her if you look long enough...
Gotta look at state law AND the by-laws...Wyoming allows unlimitted authorized... (PAIM, BKMP come to mind)
Posted by TimW on :
4309's website contact info:
3707 East Southern Avenue, Ste. 1080 Mesa, AZ 85206 ph: 480-246-8030 fax: 603-462-2363 contactus*4309.us
Just around the corner from me.. and only a few miles from the one guy involved with CSHD that lived in Gilbert, AZ.
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ..All I know TexM is that he was in one of those pictures from that dinner they had in Texas & Poetter was the one sitting next to Rufus.....
Posted by TimW on :
Heres the building, Paul Poetter is listed as a client.. 4309 is not.
That's because Poetter was already at the builing...that's where his office is....He just finalized the purchase of 4309 inc. on 7/24 so the new address of 4309 inc. is now at Poetter's office......
Posted by T e x on :
when you guys see that name... Poetter? ... how are you pronouncing it? ie, "Potter" ? "Peeter" etc ???
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..Tex..weren't you the one that was mentioning "odd" the other day? That question is "odd"..j/k I have been saying "Po-it-er" or to give it an accent.."Poe-ter" (long 'o' sound)
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
His name looks German to me. Id pronounce it Poh-ter. Using it in a sentence......
"I believe the company Poetter (Poh-ter) just purchased has nothing to do with my future" Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Who cares what his name is, this is another funny joke by Rufie.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
And why is the stock UP today? Not that I'm complaining but still curious.
Posted by TimW on :
Why is the stock up?
I heard Poetter just put up a new floral arrangement in his 500 sq ft office.
Good enough for a 40% CSHD increase.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
why was the arrangement made out of CSHD certs Posted by Doniboy_2 on :
Guess who's back....Back again...
That's right folks, it is I, DONIBOY. Unfortunately, I lost my old password when I changed jobs and now I have to start over. So what's the word? Are we rich from CSHD yet????
Posted by Igor R on :
I wish .
Posted by TimW on :
The cobra mustve been attacked by a hawk.
Posted by Doniboy on :
ALL Right!! I got my old account back!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks Bob Frey
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Good morning board members!
If everyone would stop chatting at the same time, someone might be able to get a word in. Posted by Jenna on :
As far as Poetter's name 10....
Someone asked him on the thread once & he said it was pronounced "Pot"er...
I am with you Mr. C - I'm not convinced 4309 inc. has anything to do with CSHD...unless I see a PR or a filing...
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hey Jenna! Where you been?
Posted by PCola77 on :
She's a working girl nowadays.
Posted by wallymac on :
What corner? Just Kidding.
How you been Jenna?
Wally
Posted by PCola77 on :
I was wondering if anyone else has the sick mind that I have to interpret my intentionally ambiguously worded post that way. Congrats wally, you're the pervert I knew you could be!
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: What corner? Just Kidding.
How you been Jenna?
Wally
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
You're all losing it! I'm the only sane one left!
Stick with making us CSHD folks money...Go Rufus, to the Moon and beyond! LOL
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Hey Jenna! Where you been?
Hey!!! How's it goin?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: She's a working girl nowadays.
Wow- that makes me sound a little wild!! Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: What corner? Just Kidding.
How you been Jenna?
Wally
LOL! That's what it sounded like!! Posted by Firedog on :
You all have turned this into a cult board. It remindes me of the rocky horror picture show in its day. (before my time) No one really watched the movie, they just went to have a good time and a laugh. I come over here and I am never disapointed. There is always a laugh to be had.
Later guys.
Posted by glassman on :
any of you guys see this yet?
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:16:51 GMT American Stock Exchange
NEW YORK, July 31 /PRNewswire/ -- The American Stock Exchangeâ (Amexâ) today announced two final disciplinary actions for violations of Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Regulation SHO short sale rules in connection with trading activity in threshold securities, which occurred on various options and equity exchanges. In the first action, Scott H. Arenstein and his firm SBA Trading, agreed to a fine of $3.6 million, disgorgement of $1.4 million in trading profits, a censure and a five-year suspension from Amex membership in any capacity, including employment or association with an Amex member or member organization during such period. In the second action, Brian A. Arenstein and his firm ALA Trading, LLC agreed to a fine of $1.2 million, disgorgement of $1.8 million in trading profits, a censure and a five-year suspension from Amex membership in any capacity, including employment or association with an Amex member or member organization during such period.
SEC Regulation SHO generally requires market participants to locate shares to borrow prior to effecting a short sale transaction. However, options market makers receive a limited exemption from this requirement when selling an underlying equity security short to hedge options positions established during the course of bona fide options market making activity.
Despite the fact that neither respondent was acting as a bona fide options market maker in the particular securities in question, each of them improperly utilized this market maker exemption to impermissibly engage in naked short selling by failing to locate securities to borrow and then engaged in a series of close out transactions designed to circumvent his Regulation SHO delivery obligations in such securities by creating the appearance of a bona fide repurchase of the securities he initially sold short. As a result of this violative trading activity, they were able to maintain impermissible naked short positions in a number of Regulation SHO threshold securities for a virtually unlimited period of time.
"Regulation SHO is a critically important framework of regulatory requirements designed to prevent and deter abusive short selling and reduce persistent fails to deliver. The respondents' circumvention of these requirements was egregious and improperly contributed to persistent fails to deliver in certain Regulation SHO threshold securities," said Claudia Crowley, Senior Vice President and Chief Regulatory Officer of the Amex. "This settlement should send a strong message to other market participants that trading which involves the improper use of the Regulation SHO market maker locate exemption and circumvention of the requisite delivery obligations are unacceptable and will result in serious sanctions."
Scott H. Arenstein, SBA Trading, Brian A. Arenstein and ALA Trading consented to findings that they violated SEC Rule 203, Article V, Sections 4(h) and (i) of the Amex Constitution and Amex Rule 958 - ANTE. In settling these matters the respondents neither admitted nor denied the charges.
This violative activity was detected and investigated by the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA), formerly the NASD, acting on behalf of the Amex's Regulatory Division.
The Decisions and related Stipulations of Facts and Consent to Penalty can be viewed at the following link:
(Wish we could do the time warp, I'd take us back to when my shares were worth $1.95)
Jenna, I may have to get a job soon too if I keep picking these "winners"!
Jo
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Thats an interesting case there Glassman. I might even become curious enough to read all the extra info in the link or elsewhere.
But wait, naked shorting selling is a myth right? Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: any of you guys see this yet?
Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:16:51 GMT American Stock Exchange
NEW YORK, July 31 /PRNewswire/ -- The American Stock Exchangeâ (Amexâ) today announced two final disciplinary actions for violations of Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Regulation SHO short sale rules in connection with trading activity in threshold securities, which occurred on various options and equity exchanges. In the first action, Scott H. Arenstein and his firm SBA Trading, agreed to a fine of $3.6 million, disgorgement of $1.4 million in trading profits, a censure and a five-year suspension from Amex membership in any capacity, including employment or association with an Amex member or member organization during such period. In the second action, Brian A. Arenstein and his firm ALA Trading, LLC agreed to a fine of $1.2 million, disgorgement of $1.8 million in trading profits, a censure and a five-year suspension from Amex membership in any capacity, including employment or association with an Amex member or member organization during such period.
SEC Regulation SHO generally requires market participants to locate shares to borrow prior to effecting a short sale transaction. However, options market makers receive a limited exemption from this requirement when selling an underlying equity security short to hedge options positions established during the course of bona fide options market making activity.
Despite the fact that neither respondent was acting as a bona fide options market maker in the particular securities in question, each of them improperly utilized this market maker exemption to impermissibly engage in naked short selling by failing to locate securities to borrow and then engaged in a series of close out transactions designed to circumvent his Regulation SHO delivery obligations in such securities by creating the appearance of a bona fide repurchase of the securities he initially sold short. As a result of this violative trading activity, they were able to maintain impermissible naked short positions in a number of Regulation SHO threshold securities for a virtually unlimited period of time.
"Regulation SHO is a critically important framework of regulatory requirements designed to prevent and deter abusive short selling and reduce persistent fails to deliver. The respondents' circumvention of these requirements was egregious and improperly contributed to persistent fails to deliver in certain Regulation SHO threshold securities," said Claudia Crowley, Senior Vice President and Chief Regulatory Officer of the Amex. "This settlement should send a strong message to other market participants that trading which involves the improper use of the Regulation SHO market maker locate exemption and circumvention of the requisite delivery obligations are unacceptable and will result in serious sanctions."
Scott H. Arenstein, SBA Trading, Brian A. Arenstein and ALA Trading consented to findings that they violated SEC Rule 203, Article V, Sections 4(h) and (i) of the Amex Constitution and Amex Rule 958 - ANTE. In settling these matters the respondents neither admitted nor denied the charges.
This violative activity was detected and investigated by the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA), formerly the NASD, acting on behalf of the Amex's Regulatory Division.
The Decisions and related Stipulations of Facts and Consent to Penalty can be viewed at the following link:
I like to see disgorgement Posted by glassman on :
disgorgement is good, but who gets the hairball, er, i mean funds?
you can bet that for every one you see? there's at least 100 you don't, prolly 1000 in this type of deal..
as this mortgage fiasco continues to unfold? i suspect more and more of these cases will come to light.
i have to say i was caught by surprise that so many hedges were allowed to use mortgage money as leverage to trade... i never thought they'd allow such an IIliquid asset to be posted as collateral for a highly liquid market...
Posted by TimW on :
Thats why they provided koolaid, to help liquify things.
Posted by Doniboy on :
Good morning folks. Looks like we're all the way up to .007. Let the good times roll.
Posted by thesource on :
To da MOON !!!!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: To da MOON !!!!
WOW...Great fat finger, Aye?
Posted by thesource on :
I'm actually considering placing a GTC bid for 1 million shares * .0001 just to see if anyone would hit it .
Posted by Igor R on :
Source if you do that, and somehow miraculously CSHD turns around. You'd be one of the richest to come out of it, what will you do with that money? haha
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
This is OT but since the "quality of the SEC" has been part of the CSHD discussion I thought it was an interesting read...........
A central character in the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission's investigation in to Pequot Capital quit his job Friday, the day the Senate issued a scathing report about his role in the investigation.
Walter J. Stachnik, who has been inspector general of the SEC since the job was created in 1989, retired Friday, the day the Senate said his role in the investigation of allegations that Pequot Capital engaged in insider trading and other suspicious trading was "flawed from the beginning and hindered by missteps during the entire process."
The SEC's official line is that Stachnik's retirement was planned, but no interim or permanent placement has been named, and the SEC hasn't even gotten around to announcing his departure. Stachnik could not be reached for comment. Nelson Egbert remains deputy inspector general.
The inspector general of the SEC is supposed to act as an impartial arbiter of the agency's conduct, auditing commission operations, programs, activities, functions and organizations, and investigating allegations of staff misconduct, according to the SEC's Web site.
But the 108-page Senate report, the product of a joint investigation by the Finance and Judiciary committees, said the inspector general had "failed in its mission." The report added that, based on interviews of current and former SEC staff, the inspector general is "not well respected" and perceived as "a tool of management, used for retaliatory investigations against disfavored staff."
"The SEC needs to take immediate action to restore the independence, competence and confidence" in the Office of the Inspector General, the report says.
The Senate investigation into how the SEC handled allegations of insider trading at Pequot Capital began last year, after a former staff investigator at the SEC, Gary Aguirre, said he had been fired for raising questions about the SEC's treatment of him in the course of his work.
The report paints a picture of an agency mired in political favoritism, one that delayed the Pequot investigation, disclosed information about the case to lawyers for the people being investigated, and displayed deference to a well-known Wall Street executive.
Aguirre led the SEC's investigation into the suspicious trading by Pequot, including allegations of insider trading. Pequot is an influential hedge fund founded by Arthur Samberg, a close friend of Morgan Stanley (nyse: MS - news - people ) Chief Executive John Mack, the Wall Street executive for whom the SEC allegedly played favorites.
Aguirre has contended he was fired in the summer of 2005, at the peak of his investigation, after complaining to higher-ups at the agency that he was being stonewalled by the SEC in proceeding with the case, namely in his desire to interview Mack.
The SEC closed the Pequot case last fall without taking action.
An SEC spokesman said Tuesday he was not aware of any connection between the timing of Stachnik's retirement and the release of the report.
Posted by milliam on :
Cool and interesting.
Actually, its pretty darn sad...all of it! Will it ever end, this rotten, power hungry, corrupt government manipulation?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Cool and interesting.
Actually, its pretty darn sad...all of it! Will it ever end, this rotten, power hungry, corrupt government manipulation?
Agreed!!! Until some of us little people start running for office and throw these corrupt politicians out it's not going to change. Oh GOD! I just heard Kennedy on TV again. Perfect example. Daily in Chicago another example. Everyone seems to look the other way when the bad politicians do 1 out of 10 things right and throw them a bone.
Posted by thesource on :
Little guys will never be in power because we don't have the money to back us or the political connections it takes to run for an office .
Posted by milliam on :
0 volume today ????
Weird!
Posted by TimW on :
lol.
Sub penny with 0 volume. Can we sweep this one under the rug yet?
Sounds like they grabbed the tiger by the tail, ripped it off and the tiger ran away.
Posted by T e x on :
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Wake up! There was a trade.
Posted by TimW on :
This is our short squeeze!! We finally got everyone to hold their shares and not sell them!
LOL
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: This is our short squeeze!! We finally got everyone to hold their shares and not sell them!
LOL
Funny but true.
Hey Rufus...we did it! Now let's go with the 6 for 1. That along with a quarter may be enough to get me a cup of coffee (but not from Starbucks). Posted by Tmoney on :
looks like rufus has killed yet another horse, a horse named CSHD, oh well add that to the rest of them
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I missed the horse thing a few months ago...What did he do to them?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Stockstar...he moved about 17 horses from the ranch to his home...where there was very few acres and no "barn"...a couple of horses died...the Humane society charged him with cruelty and took the horses..and another died while in their care...that's about it in a nut shell..
Posted by milliam on :
Man, was it really 17 horses? I don't remember him having that many, but I never really looked into it.
Posted by milliam on :
This was posted on a few other boards, and it may have some relevance. I haven't heard any good explanations to be honest with you, but FWIW here it is:
Milliam? What is this suppose to mean? As anyone verified that it was real? AND? Why not just send the link? not the "screen shot"?
Posted by milliam on :
What it means is/was the big question. I think there were plenty of negative answers on HSM and some positive answers on RPH's board.
I'm not sure about the verification, but I don't recall anyone verifiying it.
The reason its just a screen shot is because its something you have to pay $20 to see.
Posted by 10of13 on :
gotcha..thanks Milliam...
Posted by milliam on :
Pretty big volume today and not just on big purchases. Who's selling and who's buying this thing?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Strange, isn't it. And no news. Maybe a few of the shareholders have finally given up and are selling to get enough to pay the commisions.
Posted by TimW on :
Eh... i doubt us shareholders have 3.7million volume worth to sell in one day all at once..
Posted by milliam on :
Basically, the new Reg SHO rules have finally been registered. It looks like the grandfather clause will be dead on 10/15/07. From what I've read, the system has 35 days from then to clean up....or else...who knows?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Whoopee, I'm rich. We are up 100%! Posted by milliam on :
Reading over the new Reg SHO stuff....what keeps the crooks from just trading failures every 13 days or so (like Bennet explained at the hearing)? I like that the SEC made the change, but I don't see that the new rules address this problem...unless I'm missing something, and I sure hope I am!
Posted by milliam on :
For those playing along at home...the cvsu website is down. Someone called and was told that it expired on the 8th of August and that it would take $159 for another year. They were also told that RPH or Paul Poetter needed to call to reactivate it.
The nice thoughts over on RPH's board is that it isn't needed anymore because we're moving on. On to what...who knows.
Posted by milliam on :
I don't know if anyone here has read much about the 4309 Inc. thing, but someone on RPH's board has found that www.4309.us has just been registered. This .us stuff is what all of RPH's sites were...Could be...hmmm interesting, maybe.
Posted by Igor R on :
Has anyone been in contact with Poetter at all?
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I don't know if anyone here has read much about the 4309 Inc. thing, but someone on RPH's board has found that www.4309.us has just been registered. This .us stuff is what all of RPH's sites were...Could be...hmmm interesting, maybe.
Probably because 4309.com was already registered by someone....
.us is another avenue when your .com domain name is already taken.
WHATUP PEEPS! Just wanted to post and see whats going on in this neck of the woods Posted by 66inxs on :
there is a strong possibility that rufus has a part in this website because they used the word "principals" instead of "principles".
nuttin goin on here but the rent!!!!!!!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hey i havent seen a good PUMP around here lately so ill throw one out. It was posted again (gets bumped every now and then) on the other board and I always thought it was a good read......
++++++++++++++++++
RPH: "Direction; Why would someone place shares on EuroClear?"
RPH: "More like collateral! But for What?"
StockProphet: "UNLESS A FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT IS LOADED ONTO THE EUROCLEAR SYSTEM, BECAUSE IT IS PART OF AN ONGOING TRANSACTION, IT IS SIMPLY LODGED IN A SAFEKEEPING ACCOUNT AT SOME BANK SOMEWHERE...TUCKED AWAY FROM THE WORLD, JUST LIKE YOUR OWN SAVINGS ACCOUNT. EUROCLEAR IS A PLATFORM FOR BANKS TO BUSINESS WITH EACH OTHER, NOT A SAVINGS ACCOUNT.
YOU DO NOT LOAD AN INSTRUMENT ONTO EUROCLEAR UNLESS IT IS BEING TRANSFERRED OR IS PART OF A LARGE FINANCIAL TRANSACTION. EUROCLEAR IS NOT A SAVINGS ACCOUNT...IT IS A BANK TRANSACTIONAL PLATFORM."
RPH: "The Correct Direction!!"
SP: ""UNLESS IT IS BEING TRANSFERRED OR IS PART OF A LARGE FINANCIAL TRANSACTION. So what is really going on with these shares? What transaction were they really part of?"
RPH: "What was the link between CMO’s and stock? Find that answer!!"
SP: "The collateralized mortgage obligations that we just saw tank one of the largest hedge funds and Broker dealers (brookstone)."
RPH: "The correct path!!"
RPH: "What was behind the margin calls!!"
Geoson: "Just a guess. In the case of CSHD, restricted shares THAT WERE put on hold or cancelled in the merger. No way to cover their shorts now, and no collateral left either."
RPH: "A fact!"
SP: "Are we done on the CMO and what backed the margin calls?"
RPH: "Ok what collateral was used? Here we go Toxic financing!! Rule 415"
Terps: "wonder if there are more certs out there now than the float allows?"
RPH: "With BBAN it was 500-600 hundred Million by the time the truth came out!! ADP records!!"
Colt: "Reckon we'll top that???"
RPH: "Shot in the dark"
++++++++++++++++++++
Posted by Igor R on :
When was that originally done?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: When was that originally done?
Im not sure, a couple of months ago maybe. I tried to find a date but it was "bumped" so many times the trail appears to be gone.
Posted by milliam on :
I think it was back in June, but I'm not real sure.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm, more mystery. Just what we need (LOL). Thanks Catia, it's a little too early in the morning for head to be spinning but like I said, it's interesting.
Posted by luvforever on :
Jenna I am not sure... I am working 11 hour days now and haven't been able to keep up much.... Plus it is 45 minute drive both ways ;( but hey smile ...right!~
I just read the last few posts of Rufus and go from there and suppossedly he is out and about and posted yesterday but of nothing special!~ As usuall ya know he can't say!~ LOL Sorry I was of no help Posted by Jenna on :
Hi ALL!!!
I miss you guys....
I see nothing is new....not surprised....just waiting on the judge....
Kisses to all of you....I'll check in soon...
Hi Luv, I see you are working long days too!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Well, it looks like this horse is finally (sadly) dying. A few of the faithful still around but the company is silent, Rufus has vanished, and the mightly share price has dwindled away...
Watch, now it will run to $1.00 LOL.
Posted by milliam on :
I don't think its dying. The hype has worn off, but its not dead yet. Rufus is still around as well. I think we're all just in waiting mode. Everyone wants it to happen sooner, but its out of everyone's control except the judge IMO.
Posted by Igor R on :
I dont get why its taking the judge forever. If the SEC has a case and its been almost a year now, then the judge shouldve ruled in their favor. If what Rufus presented was good enough to satisfy all of the SEC's demands, then the judge should've ruled on CSHD/Rufus' side. This middle ground sucks, and all its doing is hurting the shareholders even further.
Posted by TimW on :
Theres only one conclusion.... The Judge is SHORT!
lol... Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Probably discovered his house is mortgaged through a CSHD asset backed sub-prime bond. LOL
Posted by luvforever on :
Yes Jenna looong days~LOL I start my day at 400am and end it at around now 8 9pm!LOL Just enough time to eat shower and check in!LOL Ahhh the good life!~ This is what is all about......smile~
Posted by 6digits on :
I talked to Ben Stanley the other day. The guy said all is moving along well for CSHD. Would'nt go into any details. What a joke.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: I talked to Ben Stanley the other day. The guy said all is moving along well for CSHD. Would'nt go into any details. What a joke.
How did you get in touch?
Posted by 6digits on :
I dialed an old cell phone number fo his and he answered. Told me that he still uses it.
Posted by T e x on :
interesting... might be pertinent to ask him about the auditor's censure...????
Posted by stockcop on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hi ALL!!!
I miss you guys....
I see nothing is new....not surprised....just waiting on the judge....
Kisses to all of you....I'll check in soon...
Hi Luv, I see you are working long days too!
Nothing new ???
Why don't you all get a life. This stock died almost a year ago !!
Posted by stockcop on :
quote:Originally posted by stockcop:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hi ALL!!!
I miss you guys....
I see nothing is new....not surprised....just waiting on the judge....
Kisses to all of you....I'll check in soon...
Hi Luv, I see you are working long days too!
Nothing new ???
Why don't you all get a life. This stock died almost a year ago !!
Oh, sorry, KISSY KISSY to you too.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by stockcop:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hi ALL!!!
I miss you guys....
I see nothing is new....not surprised....just waiting on the judge....
Kisses to all of you....I'll check in soon...
Hi Luv, I see you are working long days too!
Nothing new ???
Why don't you all get a life. This stock died almost a year ago !!
Why are you posting in here if its dead then? Kind of like the pot calling the kettle black, don't you think?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Is something going on? The IHUBbers are talking it up.
Posted by Igor R on :
Supposed rumor of seeing something on Pacer this week.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Saw that this morning (about the rumor). Time will tell but until then, back to sleep!
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Every single stock I hold is red EXCEPT
CSHD which is up 150% Woohoo! I have $1.50 now!
Jo
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Who would have thunk it? Rufus was right all along. I can see the headlines on page 1 of the W.S.J. tomorrow.
"On the verge of collapse and bancruptcy, Small Cap stock rescues the entire stock market from decay"...RPH snubs his nose at the system and wins to the delight of thousands of fans on the Earth and on the Moon!
Posted by stockcop on :
Where's my 6:1
DUHHHHHHHHHHHH
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Hi boardmembers!
Just wanted to check in. Do we have a poor sport coming out of the woodwork? Or could the name be an alias?
Either way, Hi to the rest of you.Sure do miss all the chatting we used to do
Hopefully someday we will have something to talk about.
Peace and love to all.
Posted by NEL on :
up 200% how about 2000000%?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL: up 200% how about 2000000%?
Told you Rufus would come through! Posted by Igor R on :
And the day has come, closed at .0001. To da moon!!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
to da moon
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
ahem...Do my eyes deceive me?
0.0029 2,900.00%
?? To the moon. ??
Now, Do I short here? No, of course we all know we can't short pennies.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Anyone catch Rufus's appearance on SPR?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Anyone catch Rufus's appearance on SPR?
LOL
He's not MIA yet...
Posted by TimW on :
good lord...
Posted by milliam on :
I missed it and couldn't catch the next days re-play either. Reading his board, it didn't sound like anything huge came out of it. It did sound like he's still 100% positive though.
Why would he even still be around if this is a scam?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I missed it and couldn't catch the next days re-play either. Reading his board, it didn't sound like anything huge came out of it. It did sound like he's still 100% positive though.
Why would he even still be around if this is a scam?
Maybe he is homeless now and needed to use the facilites at the radio station? Posted by stockcop on :
GET A LIFE YOU SCAM CHASERS !!
Posted by Igor R on :
Looks like Portman, our former SHC chairman, that used to post on here is in some hot water. Info courtesy of HSM.
U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION Litigation Release No. 20280 / September 13, 2007 SEC v. Terax Energy, Inc., et al., United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas (Dallas Division) SEC Files Emergency Civil Action, Obtains Temporary Restraining Order and Asset Freeze Against Terax Energy, Inc., Westar Oil, Inc., and Mark Roy Anderson On September 12, 2007, U.S. District Judge Barbara M. G. Lynn, of the Northern District of Texas, issued a temporary restraining order and asset freeze against Terax Energy Inc., Westar Oil, Inc., and Mark Roy Anderson, in an emergency civil action filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission. The Commission's complaint alleges that Anderson, of Los Angeles, California, is orchestrating an ongoing fraudulent scheme involving the stock of Terax Energy, Inc., a Dallas, Texas based oil and gas company that trades on the OTC BB. According to the complaint, after Anderson obtained undisclosed control of Terax in April 2007, Terax issued several false and misleading press releases, and the company's stock price increased from approximately $0.30 to as much as $4.88 per share. The complaint also alleges that Anderson fraudulently raised about $1 million from about 30 investors in a private placement of common stock by Westar, a private Nevada corporation he controls, after making false claims regarding its oil and gas operations, its purported pending initial public offering, and plans to exchange Westar stock for Terax stock.
The Commission's complaint also names two entities controlled by Anderson as relief defendants, The September Trust and Camden Holdings, Inc., which are also subject to the Court's asset freeze order.
Igor? What does this have to do with portman? Anderson is not his last name...I'm lost...
Posted by glassman on :
i ran a search here and found no instance where portman mentioned TEXG either...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Igor...I just went over to HSM...they have the wrong "Mark"...anyone can search for the SHC information and go through the OLD PR's to find his last name...I haven't been following this is a long time...but obviously people are just board and are trying to create something to get people side tracked again...that article has nothing to do with "portman" Port? If you are reading...I did "warn you"...haha Posted by Igor R on :
Thats just what I read, but haven't had a chance to get online since then. So, if its the wrong guy then my bad.
Posted by glassman on :
no biggie Igor... you qualified it up front...
Posted by thesource on :
Damn I haven't been on here in a while ........ are you guys rich yet ?
Posted by milliam on :
Stinking Posted by Jenna on :
For Big Boards watch GT & ISV.....
I got these a few days ago:
GT * 25.20 & ISV * 1.09.....
Just thought I would through you an FYI....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Damn I haven't been on here in a while ........ are you guys rich yet ?
Rich in spirit Posted by PCola77 on :
through?
Nice to see you're still alive.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: For Big Boards watch GT & ISV.....
I got these a few days ago:
GT * 25.20 & ISV * 1.09.....
Just thought I would through you an FYI....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: through?
Nice to see you're still alive.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: For Big Boards watch GT & ISV.....
I got these a few days ago:
GT * 25.20 & ISV * 1.09.....
Just thought I would through you an FYI....
OOOPS... I meant "thought"...
Hi PC!!!
I have a trailing stop in right now for ISV....
Posted by PCola77 on :
Good to see you haven't changed a bit...
"Just thought I would thought you an FYI...." doesn't sound much better Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Good to see you haven't changed a bit...
"Just thought I would thought you an FYI...." doesn't sound much better
HaHa....
It was supposed to say I "thought" I would "throw" you an FYI....
What a dufus I am....Make lots of money this week PC!!! Posted by cool AZ on :
Check out the eod price and volume movement ... almost like a market is being made. Me thinks something is up??????????? Can't find anything so far though.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Looks like Portman, our former SHC chairman, that used to post on here is in some hot water. Info courtesy of HSM.
U.S. SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION Litigation Release No. 20280 / September 13, 2007 SEC v. Terax Energy, Inc., et al., United States District Court for the Northern District of Texas (Dallas Division) SEC Files Emergency Civil Action, Obtains Temporary Restraining Order and Asset Freeze Against Terax Energy, Inc., Westar Oil, Inc., and Mark Roy Anderson On September 12, 2007, U.S. District Judge Barbara M. G. Lynn, of the Northern District of Texas, issued a temporary restraining order and asset freeze against Terax Energy Inc., Westar Oil, Inc., and Mark Roy Anderson, in an emergency civil action filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission. The Commission's complaint alleges that Anderson, of Los Angeles, California, is orchestrating an ongoing fraudulent scheme involving the stock of Terax Energy, Inc., a Dallas, Texas based oil and gas company that trades on the OTC BB. According to the complaint, after Anderson obtained undisclosed control of Terax in April 2007, Terax issued several false and misleading press releases, and the company's stock price increased from approximately $0.30 to as much as $4.88 per share. The complaint also alleges that Anderson fraudulently raised about $1 million from about 30 investors in a private placement of common stock by Westar, a private Nevada corporation he controls, after making false claims regarding its oil and gas operations, its purported pending initial public offering, and plans to exchange Westar stock for Terax stock.
The Commission's complaint also names two entities controlled by Anderson as relief defendants, The September Trust and Camden Holdings, Inc., which are also subject to the Court's asset freeze order.
broker-type employee, yes?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Agreed Tex, thats not Portman. I wouldnt expect to see Portman involved in anything like that anyway to be honest
Posted by thecon00 on :
A friend from Fl called me to tell me about this merger at the end of the month on FCCN.pk
most of u that know me know i never do this and i just heard about it so im not trying to pump it. it is only at two cents and post merger would be trading much higher. anyone look at it or know anything about it. thanks in advance for your advice - con
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thecon00: A friend from Fl called me to tell me about this merger at the end of the month on FCCN.pk
most of u that know me know i never do this and i just heard about it so im not trying to pump it. it is only at two cents and post merger would be trading much higher. anyone look at it or know anything about it. thanks in advance for your advice - con
Worried about getting that PUMPER label eh?
Actually ive been waiting several months for this FCCN merger to finally take place. I suspect it could run off and on up until the merger and then its anyones guess where it will go from there. Not making a buy or sell suggestion but definitely keep an eye on it over the next week or two!
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey guys....OOOPS wrong door....I thought this was the EXIT.....
Can't find it.... Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hey Jenna!
Sooo why are we up 350% today?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Hey Jenna!
Sooo why are we up 350% today?
......because the short squeeze has begun....
LOL.....LOL....LOL....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Hey Jenna!
Sooo why are we up 350% today?
......because the short squeeze has begun....
LOL.....LOL....LOL....
It's probably one of those freak things....I'm sure it will go right back down tomorrow......
...until we hear from the judge....
Posted by Igor R on :
Drinks on me if we ever get anything lol. Well when I turn 21 atleast haha.
Posted by milliam on :
Short squeeze is right...short time that is.
I'm still glad that RPH is at least still around. Maybe one day it will happen, but the sands are moving pretty darn slow through the hour-glass.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Too bad we didn't have a market maker here. I'd think about flipping this thing...(again).
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Short squeeze is right...short time that is.
I'm still glad that RPH is at least still around. Maybe one day it will happen, but the sands are moving pretty darn slow through the hour-glass.
I agree Milliam.....very strange that he is still hanging around....most would have been long gone.....so that gives us a sliver of hope .....& I also agree that the sands of time are waaaaayyyy to slow.....but I believe that it is because this is in the judges hands & his hands alone now & he does not have a timeline so when ever he feels like it ...I say....end this already either way (hopefully our way but do I really trust anything to do with the gov LOL!!! Posted by stockcop on :
Oh brother.
Posted by Jenna on :
Oh sister.
Posted by milliam on :
I agree that its in the judge's hands now, but what about all that talk from RPH about a shareholder exit and how we'd all move on and he'd stay behind to fight in court. I guess things just don't always work out like he's planned. I'm definitely ready for something to happen and I'd really like for it to be something good!
Good luck to us all.
Posted by milliam on :
Hopes are getting high over on RPH's board. He's made a few posts that folks are interpreting as signaling that good days are coming soon.
If it doesn't pan out this time, I believe he will lose much of his faithful shareholder's confidence.
The cvsu.us page is back...sort of. It now requires a password to get into it. A sign of the in house TA????
Posted by Jenna on :
I just checked it last night & it wasn't up!!! That is weird....I'll have to go check again...
Just to let all know....(I don't read into anything anymore) but Rufus played this video yesterday.....
*************************************************
Terps wrote:
maybe that when we throw mud in there face on a share exchange showing the rules are not being enforced
************************************************* Lady Trader quoted & responded with this:
share exchange ...another good question.....what is it?.. and how will it be done?... well IMO......... CSHD is going to do something that no other company has ever done..... starting with an in-House T/A and DTC/A , turning your CERTS into the Company's T/A and getting your new login # and PW for the new Corp. web site. Thru the NEW CORP. Web Site with REALTIME Corp. Financials , ( http://www.oracle.com/index.html ).. you'll be able see everything in REALTIME...... see and Trade your shares of CSHD and any JV's shares....( remember for each share of CSHD you'll get 1:1 of each JV )..... you can even trade your shares thru the site.... why ?..cuz theres no need for a broker any longer... whoever buys or sells shares of CSHD or any of its JV's goes thru the Companies T/A.... ( no way to Illegally trade shares any longer )....sorry shorty ..........books are kept within the company they know were each and every precious share is and who buys or sells it... .......so IMO the exchange is not a literal exchange of something else....its just a change from its present condition.....
Yeah, and I think most of the shareholders that believe him are high too
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Hopes are getting high
Posted by PCola77 on :
By the way, I don;t have sound on my work computer, what does the clip say, essentially?
Posted by 10of13 on :
It's the scene from Finding Nemo that speaks about the "Exit"...with all the Sea Turtles and the wave that they were riding...having your "Exit" partner... Kinda like they were trying to exit some very crowded freeway...
Posted by Jenna on :
(For those like PC who do not have audio)..(I know PC is going to raz me for this but...here goes..)
I can't even believe I did this but here is what the characters say in the video....
*************************************************
Turtle: "Alright we're here dudes! Get ready....Your exit coming up man...!"
Marty: "Where I don't see it?"
Dory: "Right there...I see it...I see it!"
Marty: "You mean the swirling votex of terror?"
Turtle: "That's it dude!"
Marty: "Of course it is..."
Turtle: "Ok- First find your exit buddy? Do you have your exit buddy?"
Squirt: "Yes!"
Turtle: "Ok - Squirt here will now give you a run down on proper exiting technique..."
Squirt: "Good Afternoon...we're going to have a great jump today!!....Ok- (I can't understand the little guy - sorry)
Marty: "He's trying to speak to me I just know it..You know you're really cute but I don't know what you're saying....Say the first thing again?"
Turtle: "Ok Jellyman GO! GO! GO! GO!"
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Marty's name is really Marlin I know this from having young kids Posted by RyanPBF on :
Oh and I imagine that our exit is a SWIRLING VORTEX OF TERROR
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Oh and I imagine that our exit is a SWIRLING VORTEX OF TERROR
Oh no, Maybe that was the message....LOL!!
Posted by PCola77 on :
Thank you Jenna.
And I now more firmly than ever stand by my previous accusation that you're all high Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Thank you Jenna.
And I now more firmly than ever stand by my previous accusation that you're all high
HaHa....
"I did not inhale.."
Posted by Jenna on :
I know as soon as I post this it will probably change but.....so far....
Volume: -0-
Posted by PCola77 on :
I put an order in at .001 to round up my position. I'll let you know if it fills.
Posted by Jenna on :
Cool- thanks....
I'm sure it's just a coinky dink....
There will probably be a surge at the end of the day....
Posted by Jenna on :
PC- wouldn't you have to go higher than the last trade for it to fill & not lower?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Not necesarily. It's still grey, right? if so, it's just a total crapshoot.
Posted by Jenna on :
It finally moved....
Volume: 20,490
Posted by stockcop on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: It finally moved....
Volume: 20,490
Oh brother.........
Posted by T e x on :
please...
the new plan is a "members-only" site to trade the stock? restricted to those who already own the stock?
Am I getting this right?
Posted by 10of13 on :
haha..yeah figure that one out Tex... Maybe the MM's and brokers for the NASD will have their own password...since they obviously have some shares..
quote:Originally posted by T e x: please...
the new plan is a "members-only" site to trade the stock? restricted to those who already own the stock?
Am I getting this right?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: haha..yeah figure that one out Tex... Maybe the MM's and brokers for the NASD will have their own password...since they obviously have some shares..
quote:Originally posted by T e x: please...
the new plan is a "members-only" site to trade the stock? restricted to those who already own the stock?
Am I getting this right?
at the end of the deal, wouldn't that be like 3 or 4 kids in a closet, trading baseball cards?
I mean...where's the new blood?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: please...
the new plan is a "members-only" site to trade the stock? restricted to those who already own the stock?
Am I getting this right?
I think I figured out the password thing.....
I asked Stockprophet (he is one of the administrators of Rufus message board) if the password box that pops up is not for shareholders but simply something for the administrator (Rufus) of the CVSU website in order for him to make changes to the site.....
StockProphet said that in his opinion (I believe he meant technical opinion) that is exactly what it is......
So basically that password box that pops up when you go to the website means nothing to shareholders only to the administrator of the site.....
I hope I explained that so it makes sense... Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: please...
the new plan is a "members-only" site to trade the stock? restricted to those who already own the stock?
Am I getting this right?
I think I figured out the password thing.....
I asked Stockprophet (he is one of the administrators of Rufus message board) if the password box that pops up is not for shareholders but simply something for the administrator (Rufus) of the CVSU website in order for him to make changes to the site.....
StockProphet said that in his opinion (I believe he meant technical opinion) that is exactly what it is......
So basically that password box that pops up when you go to the website means nothing to shareholders only to the administrator of the site.....
I hope I explained that so it makes sense...
so can anyone log-on, or not?
Posted by Jenna on :
No, noone can get in...
Posted by T e x on :
dead-end for trading, then...
Posted by bilgert on :
Made me remember last year when Rufus was on SPR and someone asked Rufus what companies he would invest in on the "big board". He said he didn't have any but he really liked NetBank. Not really ironic (people misuse that word all the time), just an interesting parallel...
Posted by milliam on :
The NetBank thing has been brought up on RPH's site. I believe I do remember him saying something about liking NetBank, but then I think he went on to more of a watch and document with NetBank...like they were being NSS or they were actually involved in illegal stuff. I guess it doesn't matter one way or another though.
Posted by milliam on :
As expected, the cvsu website rumor was nothing really except over blown by most people. The site is back to being under construction.
Jenna had it right IMO.
Posted by milliam on :
I'm not sure if this has come up (probably has somewhere on Allstocks), but stock lemon has another site now. FWIW:
Here are the lyrics to that song...is he saying CSHD is "dead"? Because I don't view RPH as an angel...
Lyrics: Spend all your time waiting for that second chance For the break that will make it OK There's always some reason to feel not good enough And it's hard at the end of the day I need some distraction or a beautiful release Memories seep from my veins Let me be empty and weightless and maybe I'll find some peace tonight
In the arms of the Angel far away from here From this dark, cold hotel room, and the endlessness that you fear You are pulled from the wreckage of your silent reverie You're in the arms of the Angel; may you find some comfort here
So tired of the straight line, and everywhere you turn There's vultures and thieves at your back The storm keeps on twisting, you keep on building the lies That you make up for all that you lack It don't make no difference, escaping one last time It's easier to believe In this sweet madness, oh this glorious sadness That brings me to my knees
In the arms of the Angel far away from here From this dark, cold hotel room, and the endlessness that you fear You are pulled from the wreckage of your silent reverie In the arms of the Angel; may you find some comfort here
You're in the arms of the Angel; may you find some comfort here
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL: Is that a joke Jenna?
I'm afraid not....
I have no idea...what that is all about.....being in the arms of an angel? Wouldn't that mean you're dead?
Maybe he was referring to the 1st line only....
"You spend all your time waiting...." Posted by NEL on :
Maybe he's saying he's the Angel? Yeah, right. Well still sitting silently on my worthless shares.
Posted by TimW on :
Hello!
Are we rich yet?
In the process of switching brokers i had to request out my Cert's.
They will probably be copied in black n white and multiple copies distributed to local area elementary schools for coloring of various sorts including but not limited to: finger painting, crayons, stencils, water colors, marker, and pencil.
Thats about all they are worth at this point in time..
Posted by NEL on :
Very funny, glad to know you still have a sense of humor TimW.
Posted by TimW on :
Oldie but goodie.. i have no idea who made this rufus clip:
To those who are experiencing financial trouble due to what happened to us all, May God Bless You and Yours. Hold on tight, we are here with you until our resolution!!
Benjamin F. Stanley Appointed Chairman and CEO of Transnational Holdings, Inc.
LOS ANGELES, Oct. 4 /PRNewswire/ -- Benjamin F. Stanley has been appointed Chairman and CEO for Transnational Holdings, Inc. Mr. Stanley will lead the company's team in executing an aggressive program of recapitalization of distressed US real estate, including residential home builders and developers. "Transnational Holdings, Inc. will bring relief to many good people running good real estate projects who find themselves caught in the current liquidity crisis," states Stanley. "My background and experience coupled with the company's solid commitment should result in successful relationships." For further information regarding Transnational Holdings, Inc., please contact Sam Hatcher, 214-500-4940 SamHatcher*cs.com For further press information, please contact Kenneth R. Reynolds, Public Relations+, 323 766 5551 publicrelationsplus*yahoo.com
SOURCE Kenneth R. Reynolds
Posted by 10of13 on :
Is that the same Ben from CSHD? Odd that they have a Yahoo address to contact for public relations...
214 area code is in Texas 323 is Cali and it looks as if that Company is in Cali... Isn't Ben From/in Georgia
Posted by Jenna on :
It has been confirmed by a poster that it is indeed Ben Stanley.
The poster spoke with a Sam Hatcher....
Here is the post from Someextradough:
I just got off the phone with Sam Hatcher listed above who did confirm that the Benjamin F. Stanley named in the PR was associated with Conversion Solutions!!! He also indicated that Transnationational Holdings, Inc. was a new company and would have a website in the next few weeks with more information.
Posted by Jenna on :
Just another FYI:
A few days ago Rufus stated that his best friend has been buying up bad loans...
Posted by new2stocks on :
So, where does it say that this new company has anything to do with CSHD?
Posted by Jenna on :
From Someextradough:
RPH post on 10/1/07, 7:27 p.m.:
"Yes, watch as several banks lose large % of assets via down ratings!!!
No I never said that NETBANK wanted to buy us out, I said they asked us for HELP, they wanted to use our Securitization structure!!
Look for A New Company to buy up bad loans and take large % of market!!! Already in process!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Posted by new2stocks on :
Jenna you are as bad as Griff.
Posted by Jenna on :
From EagerBeaver:
eagerbeaver Long
Re: Thursday, October 4th 2007 « Reply #380 on Today at 2:35pm »
Just spoke to Sam Hatcher. Operatons in Atlanta and S. California. Not connected to CSHD or RPH.
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO...so Jenna (and no I am not laughing at you)...that other board...which is it...confirmed it IS the same Ben or confirmed it ISN't the same Ben? Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Is that Ben as in Bend Over? Here comes Rufus?
Posted by Jenna on :
10, A man from Transnational Inc. confirmed that it is the same Ben Stanley that was involved with Conversion Solutions.....
..then another person called & the company stated that Transnational is not connected to CSHD or RPH.....
I took that as yes, it's Ben but, no we are not affiliated with CSHD.....
I hope that clears it up for everyone....sorry if I made it confusing.... Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LMAO...so Jenna (and no I am not laughing at you)...that other board...which is it...confirmed it IS the same Ben or confirmed it ISN't the same Ben?
10 I am reading it as its the same Ben but CSHD is not related at all to this new Co.
Posted by TimW on :
6-7 business days until the grandfather clause on the naked short selling gets tossed out.
Wonder what will happen to the stock price then.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: 6-7 business days until the grandfather clause on the naked short selling gets tossed out.
Wonder what will happen to the stock price then.
It might go up to .006...LOL...
I don't put much into that....If all of these people that have shorted these companies DO have to buy back that would be great but we've all seen let downs before....
Posted by TimW on :
If it hits .006 im selling and taking that dream vacation!
$39 for 6500 shares will get me enough fuel to go up to the mountains and sleep in the woods.
LoL
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: If it hits .006 im selling and taking that dream vacation!
$39 for 6500 shares will get me enough fuel to go up to the mountains and sleep in the woods.
LoL
Posted by glassman on :
with maybe enough left to splurge on some marshmallows for the campfire Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just another FYI:
A few days ago Rufus stated that his best friend has been buying up bad loans...
I wonder where his best friend got the money to do that. As Rufie would say, "Things that make you go HMMMM.........
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
you don't think...???
nah, no way, right?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: you don't think...???
nah, no way, right?
Weird huh? This could be interesting to watch
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: you don't think...???
nah, no way, right?
Elaborate please .
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: you don't think...???
nah, no way, right?
What are you thinkin' TEX?.....('cause I don't think any of us know what to make of it.....probably has nothing to do with CSHD)
...or are you just being a funny?
Posted by 10of13 on :
IMO..Tex is talking about Wally's comment... RPH says that a good friend is "buying up loans"? Ben gets appointed to this position? Was RPH speaking of Ben? Where did Ben get the money? If not Ben then what friend and where did he get the $? CSHD? makes ya go hmmmmm....
Posted by Jenna on :
I hope we get these questions answered....would be nice to know....
Posted by 10of13 on :
Jenna..if those questions get answered..RPH and his "friend" could be in big doodoo...but IMO...having the friend be Ben...to big of a "trail"...and too soon...to have had the funds come from CSHD...
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey 10...congrats on FCCN!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Jenna..if those questions get answered..RPH and his "friend" could be in big doodoo...but IMO...having the friend be Ben...to big of a "trail"...and too soon...to have had the funds come from CSHD...
Not really, since Mike Alexander has made quite a few moves with his money long before this. But think about it. Rufus loses the lease on the Ranch, then loses his horses because he can't feed them, can't afford a lawyer but his good friend whos is now Chairman and CEO of this company is buying up loans. In order to become Chairman and CEO I'm sure he had to pony up a few dollars to take control. HMMMM INDEED.
So follow the Yellow Brick Road.
GLTA Wally
Posted by milliam on :
Throughout the CSHD saga, Ben was always touted as being one of the money guys. I guess it was Sabra that brought all/most of the bonds to CSHD, but according to the people I talked with Ben's expertise is getting funding. So maybe Ben has worked his own magic and obtained funding for this on his own.
Anyway, we didn't see a form 4 filed for him selling any stock did we? And we all know how quickly you have to file those, right MA? Posted by Jenna on :
Someone noticed something different on Pacer....
I will be back with more info....& anyone with Pacer if you could take a look that would be great....
Posted by Jenna on :
From WaterGuy on Rufus' Forum:
waterguy Long
Re: Friday, October 5th 2007 « Reply #607 on Today at 6:50pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I HAVE A QUESTION FOR ANYONE ELSE HERE THAT HAS ACCESS TO PACER, WHEN I JUST CHECKED IT LOOKED LIKE ALL BUT THE LAST FILINGS SHOW TERMINATED AND THE END DATE ON THAT SHOWS 1-28-08.
IF EVERY FILING BUT THE LAST WAS TERMINATED WOULDN'T THAT MEAN WE ARE NOT IN DEFAULT? ALSO WASN'T THE END DATE 1-8-08 VS 1-28-08 FOR THE SEC DISCOVERY?
Posted by Jenna on :
People are speculating that it means that it's going to trial & that the SEC must prove their case.....
We're waiting on word from Rufus....
Posted by Jenna on :
Taxback said that it said terminated before & that it is not something new.....
Posted by thesource on :
Glad to see nothing has changed on here .......... anyone else get in on that last ride that ECFL made ?I bought a couple million shares below .0005 and sold off all of it for .0012 or around there .Bought back in today for .0007 and rumors are that old Desmond is back for a reunion tour. Its another total POS scam but its just warming up so might want to give it a look see .
I was sure hoping Dufus and Bend Over would be in jail by now but its looks like they might get away with another scam . Gotta love our justice system . Atleast OJ might go down for being a general POS .
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey Source! Congrats on ECFL....
Posted by thesource on :
Thanks Jenna ....... Its been a while since I've been on . The site kind of died down so I've been over at IHUB stirring the pot but its hard with only 3 post allowed per day . That site is like porn , why pay for it when you can get it for free all over the place .
Have you made any good trades lately ? Hows that little boy Dante doing ? Hopefully better ......
Posted by Jenna on :
Dante's cancer is the worst kind.....With the kind of cancer he has his prognosis is 12 -24 months from when he was diagnosed. He was diagnosed in April....His family just sent his records to St. Jude's.... I think the only hope left for them is to try experimental treatments....They are still waiting to hear from St. Jude's....
As far as me trading I have not really been doing pennies, just CBAY & FCCN...I am swing trading Big Boards... I have a thread here under swing trading...& that's going well....
Have a great night & kiss those boys of yours!!
Posted by thesource on :
Cbay huh ?? I've dibbled in it lately too . I have a while to go before I am even with it though because I bought a few shares around .10 or so . Good news is there is a new CEO and he's sitting on 1.9 billion shares (so he claims) . I've flipped it a few times lately and ended up picking up a few million today at .0002 .
Well I am very sorry to hear about Dante ..... did he ever come out of the coma ?
Posted by Jenna on :
No, still in coma, but it;s strange he moves around a little bit....
I just got into CBAY a few mill at .0003...just a lotto play...
Posted by Jenna on :
From Rufus:
Rufus Paul Harris Re: Friday, October 5th 2007 « Reply #736 on Today at 10:30pm »
Today at 10:23pm, deano361 wrote: Paul, Any comments on whether the SEC could drag this past January? YOur opinion?
Rufus' reply:
No Way!!!! Look for amended filing from SEC, real Soon
I know there is that darn word, but I know something you dont!!!!!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus just stated that he is going to tell us.....
He said he will be right back....
We are waiting.....
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
member is offline
Proverbs 12
Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 3,543 Location: Cartersville, Georgia Karma: 183 [ Exalt | Smite ] Mood: Re: Saturday, October 6th 2007 « Reply #141 on Today at 11:38pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry it took so long, had to PM Spec and take a call
On October 3, 2007 at 9:30am our Friends the SEC via the Fort Worth Regional office obtained the following original documents
Federal Income Tax returns All bank accounts All Brokerage accounts All communications between FHAL and CSHD All documents pertaining to stock received All documents pertaining to stock gifted All documents pertaining to stock sold All documents pertaining to compensation
The above was pertaining to the following Deer Leases.com, Inc, Ecowood, Inc, JMS O.T.R. Trucking, Inc, Rainforest Preservation Foundation, Inc, S&C Concrete Contractors, Inc S&C Commercial, LLC S&C Concrete, LLC S&C East, LLC S&C West, LLC JMS Construction, Inc
To include the following individuals MA, PA and DP
The AG office of Oklahoma City also obtained all record of a certain Auditors in OKC
Posted by Jenna on :
He just stated that it wasn;t handed over voluntarily & that PA = Paula Alexander
Posted by Jenna on :
Oh my Gosh...He is spilling his guts.....
If we go by what he is saying it sounds like it could be over but ending in a very good way!! We will know for sure when we see it on Pacers & filings....
Today at 11:49pm, bandit1 wrote: Today at 11:47pm, someextradough wrote:
is their a merger in the works and if so will we be uplifted to a new platform?
Rufus stated:
No merger, We formed a Trust that purchased 4309, Inc. the purpose was to wait until the appropriate time and prefect a 1 for 1 share exchange with chsd via hard copy certificate exchange the works and if so will we be uplifted to a new platform?
No merger, We formed a Trust that purchased 4309, Inc. the purpose was to wait until the appropriate time and prefect a 1 for 1 share exchange with chsd via hard copy certificate exchange
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus Paul Harris Re: Saturday, October 6th 2007 « Reply #232 on Today at 11:57pm »
We have several corporations in line to perfect the exchange, after the exchange we are going to continue the original CSHD business plan!!!! Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus:
The share exchange will be through an auditor and attorney to obtain a total share count!!! Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus:
No one cares about the OLD TA, We have everything covered, The CSHD TA will be dealing with the enormous share count Posted by Jenna on :
He is being asked a lot of questions....I am just giving you his answers:
Rufus:
The details are being worked on, so just hang in there a little longer!! All shares will count, the exchange process is new territory so may take a little time to perfect, but is very necessary the share exchange will also cause any illegal shares sold into the market a lot of problems Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus:
6 to 1 and time purchased all will be dealt with, but not tonight!! Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus re 6:1:
Sure thing!!!!! it is owed!!!!! Sure thing!!!!! it is owed!!!!! Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus:
The Darn thing should not even be trading right nowMy recommendation is DO NOT BUY any more shares of CSHD in the MARKET PLACE Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus:
No Paul Poetter did not buy 4309, Inc with his own money, We (Ben and I) along with a number of people packaged a Trust solely for the purpose of purchasing 4309, Inc to execute a share exchange with cshdAfter the shell was located we asked Paul Poetter to sit as CEO of 4309, Inc until we completed a few other things. Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus:
You can bet your bottom dollar on the RICO, upon the documentation of the evidence which is the HCC exchange we will close a few doors!! Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus:
For documentation reasons, all will need to provide times of purchase and with what firm or brokerage This will take place with an auditor and an attorney’s office Posted by Jenna on :
Re: Time Frame:
Rufus:
We do not know how long the exchange will take but just rest assured it will be done!!!Just bear with us on that, a few small things to complete, goal is to star the process by the end of the month!! Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus responding to all of the Thank Yous:
No a BIG Thank You to each and every shareholder who listened and had faith by hanging in there against all of the market crooks, HSM and IHUB nut cases Posted by Jenna on :
Good Night All!!
May you all have:
*************************************************
Champagne Wishes
&
Caviar Dreams!!!
*************************************************
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Hi Jenna!!!!!!!!!
Nearly there now!!! Posted by a surfer on :
3:30 in the morning Jenna.....Jeez I don't know how you do it.
Posted by thesource on :
I see Rufus is just a crazy as he's always been ........ I was hoping the CSHD movie was alrady in the works so I could watch it and see how the whole thing ends up but I guess its not going to happen anytime soon .
I sure hope you guys and gals are not investing anymore of your money on the crack pot and his empty promises . Good luck to all .
Posted by Jenna on :
Here is a sum up....just remember this is a sum up of what Rufus has said.....I am only summing it up....PR's & filings are what we NEED...Here goes:
4309 Inc. is the shell....They will be taking 1 share of CSHD & we will get 1 share of 4309 inc
The 6:1 will happen.
Grey shares will get 1:1.
MA & his wife & James Gee's personal accounts have been frozen...
The share exchange may start as soon as the end of the month....COULD TAKE A LONG TIME....
There are only about 47 million shares that are true shares....anything being turned in after that will still be accepted but the broker we bought them from will have to pay 4309 inc.'s shareholders how ever much we decide on....NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.....NAME YOUR PRICE!!!
In- house T/A & Brokerage....Look at Oracle....They do the same thing.....due to the new in house T/A Broker 4309 inc. CAN NOT be shorted....
This will be announced officially in a PR....
He decided to tell us now because he had to wait until the court recived his last bit of evidence...
Not worried about insider info....He asked for it to be halted & they didn't do it...eventhough there is no office, no phone, & no way to get in contact with the company except for the WEBSITE HE MADE....
Rufus will no longer be a part of us....We will move forward into 4309 inc. & he is staying back to clear his name.....Judge has all the evidence from him....They are awaiting trial....
Bonds are good but will stay back with him....many more of those to follow.....
After the share exchange occurs there will be assets "thrown" will be thrown in....
JV's lined up & ready to go...
Posted by trade04 on :
u guys need some serious mental help!!! OMFG u guys are still with this LET IT GO PEOPLE!!!
Posted by stockcop on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Good Night All!!
May you all have:
*************************************************
Champagne Wishes
&
Caviar Dreams!!!
*************************************************
You always talk to yourself? BABABOOEY
Posted by thesource on :
What ever happened with that law suit in California against Dufus and Ben ?
Posted by T e x on :
I don't remember that...
Posted by thesource on :
The suit where some gal got burned in their coffe shop .......
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stockcop:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Good Night All!!
May you all have:
*************************************************
Champagne Wishes
&
Caviar Dreams!!!
*************************************************
You always talk to yourself? BABABOOEY
Yeah....except ususally it's in front of the mirror.... Posted by jipper on :
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: WHILE WE WAITING.
still waiting, now my brain is fried. Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: The suit where some gal got burned in their coffe shop .......
links?
Posted by thesource on :
I'm not going to make the effort to look for links , its not that important . I just remember a case being filed in California a while back concerning this circus show .
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
wow i havent checked in on this in like forever, this saga is still going on lol
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Well, WTF is going on now. A new company and share transfer?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Isn't this pretty much what they did with Wattle and tried to do with the other company? (BBAN? Can't think of the company) so they just keep grabbing "new" companies and in the process new suckers...I mean shareholders?
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Well, WTF is going on now. A new company and share transfer?
Posted by new2stocks on :
FWIF
from HSM .....a member emailed Paul Poetter his repsonses are in caps.
Dear Mr Poetter,
I am a bit concerned. Is your new company 4309 I AM THE CEO AND PRESIDENT OF 4309, Inc. AND HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH CSHD OR THIS OTHER COMPANY...I BELIEVE BEN STANLEY IS INVOLVED WITH BOTH CSHD AND TRANSNATIONAL HOLDINGS. or Transnation Holdings (which I understand you are also involved with) dealing with Rufus Paul Harris of CSHD in either of these ventures? ABSOLUTELY NOT.
GOD IS GOOD, ALL THE TIME.
PAUL
I would really appreciate if you could take the time to inform me.
I thank you in advance.
Sincerely,
Ginny
and yet another email from another poster
Please people, do not believe everything that comes from CH2~ (Rufus' board)
Posted by 10of13 on :
Seems I recall that when 4309 was "first" brought in to this mess that Poetter was on RPH's board stating that there was a connection... Oh well..Does it even matter? haha
Posted by thesource on :
Looks like another BS story from the Dufus camp .
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Here is a sum up....just remember this is a sum up of what Rufus has said.....I am only summing it up....PR's & filings are what we NEED...Here goes:
4309 Inc. is the shell....They will be taking 1 share of CSHD & we will get 1 share of 4309 inc
The 6:1 will happen.
Grey shares will get 1:1.
MA & his wife & James Gee's personal accounts have been frozen...
The share exchange may start as soon as the end of the month....COULD TAKE A LONG TIME....
There are only about 47 million shares that are true shares....anything being turned in after that will still be accepted but the broker we bought them from will have to pay 4309 inc.'s shareholders how ever much we decide on....NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE.....NAME YOUR PRICE!!!
In- house T/A & Brokerage....Look at Oracle....They do the same thing.....due to the new in house T/A Broker 4309 inc. CAN NOT be shorted....
This will be announced officially in a PR....
He decided to tell us now because he had to wait until the court recived his last bit of evidence...
Not worried about insider info....He asked for it to be halted & they didn't do it...eventhough there is no office, no phone, & no way to get in contact with the company except for the WEBSITE HE MADE....
Rufus will no longer be a part of us....We will move forward into 4309 inc. & he is staying back to clear his name.....Judge has all the evidence from him....They are awaiting trial....
Bonds are good but will stay back with him....many more of those to follow.....
After the share exchange occurs there will be assets "thrown" will be thrown in....
JV's lined up & ready to go...
Guys, I noticed that I said in this post that accounts were frozen.....I misinterpreted Rufus' 1st post.....He said information about the accounts were taken that's all...reread his post...that was my misinterpretation....I must apologize to all involved....
I will stick to copying & pasting posts & not summarizing....
My apologies to everyone on Allstocks, HSM, IHUB, & Rufus' Board....
Posted by T e x on :
cain't really "summarize" rph posts...
too "tricky"
Posted by milliam on :
Has the other Paul Poetter email been brought up on RPH's board? I saw his response to the first one and I'll add it here, but it didn't really leave me all warm and fuzzy about this.
This was in reply to someone questioning the posting of the email on the board: RPH>> No Please do not give him any problems about it!!!! Max Please post anything of this type on the Board for all to see!! Remember everyone always watch and document!!!
Posted by milliam on :
Oh yeah, here's another of RPH's reply to the actual posting of the email:
Ohhhhh Noooooo, it is the end of the world!! What are we going to do now? But seriously, Thank You Vishal for posting this information, Send Paul Poetter my Love and tell him I said Hi If anyone has anything similar Please feel free to post!!
GODSPEED and GODBLESS
Posted by milliam on :
And the last one that I see: Actionmax: Why would he say that boss do you think hes just playin around ?
RPH: Better Yet AM I? Relax "Daddy's driving the Boat!!"
Posted by new2stocks on :
Rufus always answers a question with a question when he can't be honest...why do you think that is? It's called AVOIDANCE.
Posted by thesource on :
I wonder what this idiot is doing for income if he didn't profit from this scam ?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I wonder what this idiot is doing for income if he didn't profit from this scam ?
Found this on HSM.....
Posted by trade04 on :
his occupation is quite clear: A CON MAN..
Posted by Chart walker on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I wonder what this idiot is doing for income if he didn't profit from this scam ?
Found this on HSM.....
FUDGE PACKER!!! OMG is that funny!!! LMAO!! Posted by 10of13 on :
Chart?!!! hey..how have you been? LOOOONNNGGG Time no see (read...)...Hope you're doing well!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
The IHUBbers have lost it over there!
Posted by Chart walker on :
10!
Yep, got some things cleaned up and thought I'd say HI
SO HI!!! Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I wonder what this idiot is doing for income if he didn't profit from this scam ?
Found this on HSM.....
FUDGE PACKER!!! OMG is that funny!!! LMAO!!
Hey you! Where have you been? lmao
Posted by 10of13 on :
Great Chart! Clean is GOOD! oh and...
HOWDEY!!!
Stockstar...I didn't know IHICK...ever "had it"...so how could they loose it?
Posted by milliam on :
Chart...Good to see you back. I hope all is well with you and yours.
Posted by Chart walker on :
Hi Milliam
You bet!! Hope things have been GREEN for you aswell bud!
I can't believe the CSHD "lounge" is still going lol ~
Cool that it is, -for the peeps that hang out here.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Funny is to see the stock price going up...whoops, spoe to soon! DARN!
Posted by Jenna on :
Chart!!
I miss you!!
Posted by divisionchris on :
I just came across CGMI. This a new play on internet gaming! I think wagering on skill games will be big business. CGMI has a very interesting affiliates program that is sure to grow its customer base exponentially!
Posted by Igor R on :
Why don't you post that in a CGMI thread?
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
OK, what's going on now? We are up 100% and back up to .01 ???
My head hurts!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: OK, what's going on now? We are up 100% and back up to .01 ???
My head hurts!
IMO watching the volume and / or PPS for CSHD is meaningless until something more is filed in Court. The numbers will bounce all over for various reasons ....one of which could still be people hoping to buy that "lotto ticket".
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: OK, what's going on now? We are up 100% and back up to .01 ???
My head hurts!
Must be shorty having to cover before Dufus drops his bomb .....
Posted by T e x on :
btw...has anybody done the math to see whether Corey et al have finished selling?
also, do you suppose there's still some covering going on as this sea-change on "naked exempts" transitions in?
also, also...is some buying occurring via "true longs" reactions' to the latest pump?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: btw...has anybody done the math to see whether Corey et al have finished selling?
also, do you suppose there's still some covering going on as this sea-change on "naked exempts" transitions in?
also, also...is some buying occurring via "true longs" reactions' to the latest pump?
have you guys seen this yet? DTCC Responds to The Wall Street Journal article, "Blame the 'Stock Vault?'"
New York, NY, July 6, 2007 - The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) article "Blame the 'Stock Vault?'" (July 5, 2007) contained a number of omissions and factual errors that misinform readers. DTCC is providing the following information, as it did during lengthy meetings with the reporters, to set the record straight.
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3. The WSJ article said: "Some companies with falling stock prices say it (naked short selling) is rampant and blame DTCC as the keepers of the systems where it happens."
This claim that DTCC is responsible for naked short selling has been expressly rejected by the SEC. Further, as we explained to the WSJ, this claim displays a fundamental misunderstanding of our role in the capital markets. It ignores that naked short selling is a trading strategy and has nothing to do with the post-trade clearance and settlement process. It ignores that we do not know the underlying reasons why trades fail, information that is known only to the broker/dealer.
this is what i began to suspect after the GLUV/GVRP fiasco...
according to the DTCC? the brokers and ONLY the brokers know exactly where the NSes are coming from....
restricting a stock to sells only IS a form of market manipulation and should only be allowed if there's a specific reason given and the SEC aproves it, since it automatically depresses the price of security....
Posted by T e x on :
post the links, puh-leeze...
we got a lil turf war, here?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: post the links, puh-leeze...
we got a lil turf war, here?
sorry about that, i forgot to copy the link so i edited it..
turf war? nah..
IMO what's always been going on is that some brokers DIDn't keep track of whether you actually have the shares you sell...
the big customers, (and hedgies) took advantage of the situation...
i.e. somebody may take a long position of a million shares, but "accidentally" sell 100 million... oopsie...
there is now a new tracking system in place to determine whether a sale is short or not.. and who has loaned out shares that have actually been sold...
i. e. say somebody legitimately borrowed shares and shorted them, but the lender sells his/her shares before they are replaced? now they will know...
i expect to see some changes in the trading now, and i don't just mean in the pennies... of course? some new "strategies" will be invented to "beat the system" Posted by T e x on :
ya...
but we are seeing signs of "no exempts accepted," eh?
Posted by glassman on :
let's hope so...
people will test the system...
it's always been the brokers responsibility to ID who has NSed and they haven't shown much interest in stopping whoever it is they ALLOW to get away with it.. you and i could never get away with selling 100,000$ worth of stock we don't own and didn't borrow and wait 6 months to buy it back Posted by T e x on :
what's that about chaos vs opportunity? Posted by glassman on :
LOL, OK, so maybe they 'll allow you but not me Posted by T e x on :
Nooooooo!
lol
not implying that... just saying ... well, is a good time to pay attention.
Posted by glassman on :
i agree... the SHO list is pretty long right now too...
find me some good ones please i'm too busy to set up and run spread sheets right now Posted by T e x on :
shoot, don't count on me... last two days I been trenching for 'lectrical with a Meskin national who ain't Hispanic: speaks two Mayan dialects (native), Mexican Spanish (which his own Mom never bothered to pick up) and pretty good English... If I find one, it's cuz I stumbled onto it--but if I stumble well, I'll post it, for sure Posted by T e x on :
Backdated OT: some previous posts are off-topic re CSHD, about 5 to 6, I'd guess...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i agree... the SHO list is pretty long right now too...
find me some good ones please i'm too busy to set up and run spread sheets right now
Funny thing here is that I keep reading all over the different message boards about how Pinks and OTCBB stocks under $5 can't be shorted yet when I look at there are more Pinks on the list than NASDAQ stocks. I didn't check all 93 on the list but I know a lot of them are trading subpenny.
On a separate note, wouldn't OSTK be the stock to watch when the new rules are implemented? They have been the most proactive and been on the list forever. I would think mandatory close outs would have a dramatic effect on the PPS, "IF THE NEW RULE REALLY WORKS."
Also I have been reading a new wrinkle that does make a bit of sense. Shorting against rule 144 shares. The idea is that either company insiders or accredited investors holding 144 stock lend them out to be short against but because they are 144's certs cannot be issued with out legends so the merry go round just goes round and round. I'm not sure about this one and would love comments.
Tex, this may be a bit off topic but in a sense is not since Rufus has made this a Short elimination play and there basically isn't anything noteworthy to discuss at this time.
GLTA Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
Here's an interesting one to look at. DCNAQ — Dana Corp, it's in bankruptcy and has really been shorted. now the interesting question is: Since stocks that come out of bankruptcy usually eliminate the shares that were traded during the bankruptcy, would anyone ever have to cover?
If this should be discussed on a separate thread please move it.
Thanks Wally
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: btw...has anybody done the math to see whether Corey et al have finished selling?
also, do you suppose there's still some covering going on as this sea-change on "naked exempts" transitions in?
also, also...is some buying occurring via "true longs" reactions' to the latest pump?
Answering you last question....I sincerely hope not. IMO a "true long" should have stopped buying and ordered hard certs months ago. Dont read my "IMO" wrong, however...I say this because this is what the longs have been told along the way, not necessarily because its what I think should be done.
If anyone is buying now, based on the latest pump, they are only adding to the mess by potentially diluting the company even more than it likely has been over the past year.
Is some covering taking place? This would seriously surprise me. If someone naked shorted this and believes they are now screwed I would be VERY surprised if they would attempt to cover up what they did now during, what appears to be, a Federal investigation. I would imagine that they would try to erase the trail instead of adding to it. I suppose that legal shorts could be covering now but thats pure speculation of course.
And, last but not least....Corey. I wouldnt really know how to begin doing that math but I sincerely hope that there is a nice little money trail leading right to him. If the stuff from the other board is all true that account records and trading records have been pulled then, in time, im sure that we will eventually all know where the money has gone....even if that money is "out of reach" which im afraid Corey could be.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Wally, two things...
1) OTC/Pinks CAN be shorted. Just not by you and me. Hedge funds can short them, this I know for a fact, having asked two different hedge fund managers that I've recently spoken to.
2) OSTK is up 75% since July. I said the same thing when the rule came up that OSTK would be the stock to buy (and of course I didn't...)
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Backdated OT: some previous posts are off-topic re CSHD, about 5 to 6, I'd guess...
Maybe so but appreciated anyway. CSHD, more specifically the Allstocks threads regarding it, has been VERY educational for me and without posting the OT stuff above I probably would not have caught it elsewhere. Posted by new2stocks on :
Surprise surprise....
Rufus Paul Harris Administrator
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4309, Inc was as stated designed to do a share swap with each shareholder, the time frame was to be 2 weeks all documentation was and had been processed multiple attorneys retainers paid , but I was always given next week, next week and tomorrows as an answer!!
I believed in Paul Poetter because he used GOD and would not hesitate to cast a prayer forward!!
Because of a few Righteous shareholders on this board working for Good, I have been informed of the truth of what has been going on behind the scenes!!
I was used to design several companies some reporting and some not, I helped to arrange their structure/financing abilities and provided the necessary information to complete the NSS capture and help correct the market, only to find out that the individuals turned for personal gain!!
This week a full blow organized attack commenced upon my family after exposure of the companies to you last Friday!!
My family now has an uncertain future, we have been evicted illegally and the arrangements (funds) with trusted friends that I put into place to provide for my family during this battle because of the banking glitches that has plagued us since the exposure of CSHD have now been taken by them!!
Please be careful out here with who you trust, the lord has shielded me from this knowledge for a reason until now and I have faith that all will be OK!!
We have now received warnings of physical nature, The timing is very critical because our backs are exposed while in the moving process over the next few days!!!
The next few days are going to be very stressful for my wife and kids so your prayers are greatly needed for them!!
To expose anything more would result in serious repercussion!!
Rest assured that when I am able to provide the protection for my family, I will finish this mission!!
I will continue to post as we proceed and as able but PLEASE be careful if you are currently dealing with these individuals!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Hmmm...guess some will say that RPH has gotten what he deserves...others that "believed" in him have lost just as much... too sad...
Posted by milliam on :
Sands through the hourglass doesn't do this thing justice anymore....this is just crazy stuff.
Something needs to be done here to get the truth out. I'm about ready to call Jack Bauer in to get some answers from some people!!!!
Posted by beachcook on :
Isn't old Jack Bauer in jail for DUI? if so he would fit right in with Rufus.
Posted by stockcop on :
BABABOOEY
Posted by TimW on :
Just a question here.. Who here actually requested and recieved certs? Im wondering how long it should usually take.. and if for some reason i dont get them if i can attack my old brokerage for failure to deliver.
Posted by thesource on :
LMAO , he got evicted because the idiot didn't pay his rent . As for physical threats , I wish someone would stop threatening him and start kick his azz for real . I would love to see him and Bend Over behind bars in a state run jail , not club fed .
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Just a question here.. Who here actually requested and recieved certs? Im wondering how long it should usually take.. and if for some reason i dont get them if i can attack my old brokerage for failure to deliver.
you can't get what they don't have... this thing was NSed to hell...
DTCC Responds to The Wall Street Journal article, "Blame the 'Stock Vault?'"
New York, NY, July 6, 2007 -
3. The WSJ article said: "Some companies with falling stock prices say it (naked short selling) is rampant and blame DTCC as the keepers of the systems where it happens."
This claim that DTCC is responsible for naked short selling has been expressly rejected by the SEC. Further, as we explained to the WSJ, this claim displays a fundamental misunderstanding of our role in the capital markets. It ignores that naked short selling is a trading strategy and has nothing to do with the post-trade clearance and settlement process.
two years ago they denied the very existance of this "trading strategy".... now it appears they recognise it as legitimate..
i've been studying this situation for quite awhile in a couple of stocks..
it appears to methat you should demand either the certs or a refund of your purchase price.. use a time limit... notarised letter, by certified mail..
Posted by BooDog on :
What kind of response would you expect? imo they wouldn't even respond to such a request. You bought it... you knew the risk... oh fkn well. Have a nice day.
It seems that only if they were under attack by their own financers that they would even consider raising a flag. BUT IF they could prove someone... or some firm was NS them they would jump on it. IF they had the right representation.
jmo.
edited...
but consider this...
they are on the otherside, or have orchestrated others to be on the other side on their behalf. good luck proving that as well.
i'm with you glass. it's like running up on a brick wall at full speed.
Posted by T e x on :
donchya think all these things have seen at least some amount of "exempt naked shorting"?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: donchya think all these things have seen at least some amount of "exempt naked shorting"?
IMO? if i buy something and pay real money for it? i have the right to take delivery...
it takes three days to clear a stock transaction.. how long does it take to clear your Visa card? ten seconds? a check can now be cleared in less than 24 hours, and in some cases, just as fast as a credit card. my doctors office can take my check and clear it instantly...
so, after the three day settlement? you either have what you bough or you don't...
the whole market is becoming margin... too many people aren't using "real money" (margin) to buy or sell stock that aren't real either..... it's getting out of hand...
Posted by T e x on :
Of course...
But it is a good sign to see "exempts" being refused.
Still, you know it sticks in my craw to learn my broker doesn't have my shares secured... somewhere... a la BCIT... or folks have their dough tied up WITH NO SHARES ... a la BHUB.
Yet, logic dictates that the schemers use the flaw to obfuscate their shenanigans... ie, NSS is not the core problem, but the smokescreen: design the play to implode once the principals have raked off enough, then wrap the grey-sheet corpse in a mantle of smoking NSS...
Posted by glassman on :
ie, NSS is not the core problem, but the smokescreen: design the play to implode once the principals have raked off enough, then wrap the grey-sheet corpse in a mantle of smoking NSS...
or does the outrageous scheme just attract more predators?
it doesn't matter to me...
i expect to be lied to...
but when i buy a share from my broker? i expect it to be in my account..trash or not...
Posted by T e x on :
but when i buy a share from my broker? i expect it to be in my account..trash or not...
agreed.
furthermore, I don't want the DTCC sticking its big, fat nose in and "interpreting" filings for brokers (cf, CLRX==>LGYH). They need to be quiet and do their collective job: deliver the shares, de sooner de better...
Posted by glassman on :
there's a law in Nevada, they have to keep enough cash on hand to cover every chip on the floor....
my guess is that "the market" has less than 20% of all bets covered...
i'm taking into account more than just the NS issue when i make that guess....
Posted by T e x on :
should be some academic study out there that addresses that...
Posted by T e x on :
this is pretty rich...wasn't "Griff" one of hard-core, deep-dipped, "true longs"?
I guess this is from that board where the "insiders" post; I dunno, somebody could've made it up, I guess. Anyway:
quote:Griff Post:
Griff Long Warning Level - 30% member is offline Joined: Feb 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 2,383 Karma: 7,777,777,820
Re: Sunday, October 14th « Reply #81 on Today at 12:18am »
Rufus, sorry this is making no sence. Why would PP sell his soul, sell you out, sell his family out, sell his Christian beliefs out, sell his position out in CSHD, for money? If his greed is money, his CSHD position would have taken care of that need, right? Or is CSHD worthless so he had no other choice?
And if yesterday, your back and your family were in jeapordy like you said why were you at HOOTERS tonight?
If I was going to take you out you would have been a very easy target tonight. And if your family is your weakness as you said, then while you were at HOOTERS I would have made you pay.
If, if and more ifs. Don't you think you owe it to all these fine people a honest explanation as to what the fu%k is going own
I'm sorry my friend, too many RED FLAGS.
These fine people have supported you and believe in every word you post, so why do you string them along with your post of deperation only to be proven a liar
Originally posted by new2stocks: ok guys, I got a little curious and here is what I did. On the document that was served to Rufus' home and was signed by his daughter, there was an address on the top under Rufus' name. So I did a reverse search on the address on it came back as Atlewa Trust with the same address. So I got more curious and did a Google Earth search on the address this is what came up ....
does that support or contradict the news story? or no bearing--not getting the point.
Posted by 10of13 on :
The point that glass was trying to make(I think) was that the Atlewa Trust had the same address as Where RPH lived and was served the Court documents...for the SEC investigation...It doesn't really support anything...just pointing out that RPH was doing business as Atlewa Trust from his home...
quote:Originally posted by T e x: does that support or contradict the news story? or no bearing--not getting the point.
Posted by T e x on :
guess it depends on the timeline...in the news story, he's quoted as putting time/distance between that deal and his time with Atlewa...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Well...Sir Tex...RPH was "served" at that address last what November? and if you google "Atlewa Trust" lots of info...so I am not sure as to the "time distance" RPH has with it...
Posted by T e x on :
seems like an overlap, to me...
but I don't have time to delve into it--*might* explain what all the authorities are looking into, though...
I doubt the recurring themes are mere coincidence: bonds, Euroclear, etc...
Posted by bilgert on :
I just got caught up on the CSHD a/s board and finished reading the Sun News article. Sorta ironic to see Rufus complaing about somebody else being less than forthcoming with information. From the article:
quote: Harris said he grew suspicious of the deal when Woods would not provide documentation to prove his claims that Atlewa had $70 million in escrow.
"He just kind of blew over my questions and said he'd supply the information later," Harris said. "That's when I ended the meeting."
Guess it's a case of the cryptic kettle calling the evasive pot less than forthcoming. Ah well.
Posted by milliam on :
RPH's answer to Griff's post:
Well Well Well, It is about time you floated to the surface!!!!
I have been waiting a while for this!!!
So the Self Proclaimed Prophet, got his feelings hurt when Paul Poetter is called to the table!!!
Got to Love it!! Lets try a few Reality IF’s
Griff would not even be a shareholder IF Ann did not buy your shares!!!
IF Griff would have sent the Poetter emails when he received them, we would not be here today!!
Do you want more? OK
You use the word Liar as IF you know the meaning of the word!!!
I could go on and on with you warning label boy!!!
Does anyone see the pattern!!!!! PUMP PUMP PUMP and then DUMP
You could put Griff, DOGmandodo and TUT in the same category!!
Who else now sees it!!
Griff, I have let you rant and rave to these people for months
Do you want to be called to the table like Poetter, IF so jump up on that stump, FRIEND!!!
I do not like confrontations my friend but for you I would entertain the thought!!!
Did I over do it
Posted by thesource on :
Damn I still can't believe that a freakin year later this POS is still trading and people still even pay attention to Dufus . I am also surprised that idiot is not in jail . Oh well I'm definately a smarter trader from this little experience .
Posted by T e x on :
why?
happens alla time: CMKX, QBID, BKMP, BHUB, BCIT etc. et al...
but, ya--is good to learn.
The only one I've been "involved with" that more or less got dropped was GLUV/GVRP/MAMG. A different scenario, though: the prime DDers were at least somewhat experienced traders, the play was basically math vs "the system," and a few were even alerting the authorities before the trigger point. lol, that was one was in-play and shut-down so quickly that it never had a "cult," for lack of a better word.
Posted by thesource on :
Damn I wish Bhub was trading . Hell it got halted the day after I bought in .........
Whats the damn story with it anyways ? I haven't even bothered to check on IHUB .
Posted by T e x on :
saw sumpin about it over there...forget now, though.
Select American is the story, in that particular clusterphuk, imo.
[ October 15, 2007, 23:24: Message edited by: T e x ]
Posted by luvforever on :
omg H S M IS DOWN!~ ROTFLMBO and if they didn't use their accounts they can't see what's going on!~ LOL
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Howdy!
I see "As the stomach Turns" is still turning. I wouldn't have missed this ride for anything. Well , alot of money would have been nice!! But, I have "met" a lot of nice people and learned a thing or two along the way.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Hey "peeps" or maybe I should say children... Go to your corners and keep the comments of other posters off the boards... Let's pretend we are all "grown up".
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
WTF? my posts were deleted? Oh, I see now, the mods just want this to be a basher forum like HSM huh? What a joke.
Posted by 10of13 on :
stocktrader? i think they were deleted because there was exchange of postings concerning another poster...NOT the STOCK...bash away at the stock...no big deal...but there is no reason for the bashing and "kid name calling" stuff that sometimes gets posted here...IMO
(And if you would note...it wasn't just "your" posts that got deleted"..there were several from a few different people) Have a good one! Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
LOL
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: WTF? my posts were deleted? Oh, I see now, the mods just want this to be a basher forum like HSM huh? What a joke.
Mine was deleted too and it wasn't even insulting like some peoples' on here. Posted by glassman on :
source, why does this one in particular offend you?
after a couple of years? you'll have seen hundreds like this... the only thing that makes this one so different is that it went from under 10 cents to 3$ and back again so quickly... there's literally hundreds of examples of this every year if you really look hard...
the movement on the big boards this past summer was due to "scams" involving bonds from the mortgage market.... and the "experts" still have no friggin idea how much bad paper they have bought...
Posted by thesource on :
I guess because it was the first one I got burned in and without a doubt the most expensive lesson to date . It still amazes me how so many people continue to hold on to this like someday Dufus will prove his case . The man has lied over and over and over again . Why should anyone believe his cawk and bull$hit stories anymore . Its just pathetic at this point , actually its way past that but I'm trying to be nice .
Posted by milliam on :
Why not continue to hold and hope that something good will come out? At this point, the pps is so low that there's not reason to sell.
I think we'll all continue to have some hope until the court case is over. Right now, we still have that going on and RPH is still around and still very positive.
I can only think of two reasons he'd still be around...either there's some truth to his statements and he's still working to win this, or he just likes attention and likes to see how far he can string folks along.
At this point, we don't have enough info to know what to do. Some will give up and I can't blame them. Holding on with hope is wearing on a lot of people. We're pretty much on the sideline watching the game. Not much we can do now.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Why not continue to hold and hope . . . .
Milliam, I think hope is what led a buncha lambs to slaughter...
I mean...we're only human, so of course some emotion can not be avoided. But, still, we'll all do better the less we get emotions entangled.
Thick face, black heart...
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
nicely put Tex. CSHD is what hurt me the most and I had to walk away from stocks for a long time... among other things.. However I'm quite cautious now before believing or buying into the "hype".
Read the charts, understand the "hype", understand stock structure, protect your capital and you'll win almost everytime.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: source, why does this one in particular offend you?
after a couple of years? you'll have seen hundreds like this... the only thing that makes this one so different is that it went from under 10 cents to 3$ and back again so quickly... there's literally hundreds of examples of this every year if you really look hard...
the movement on the big boards this past summer was due to "scams" involving bonds from the mortgage market.... and the "experts" still have no friggin idea how much bad paper they have bought...
you'll quickly see my source, on da board:
quote:
These rice coupons were actively traded. The rice coupons sold against future rice deliveries became the world's first futures contracts. The Dojima Rice Exchange, where these coupons traded, became the world's first futures exchange. Rice coupons were also called "empty rice" coupons (that is, rice that was not in physical possession). To give you an idea of the popularity of rice futures trading, consider this: In 1749, there were a total of 110,000 bales (rice used to trade in bales) of empty-rice coupons traded in Osaka. Yet, throughout all of Japan there were only 30, 000 bales of ricea2
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Good morning all
So, after spending a week in Germany trying to keep up with the CSHD Pro b oard I can now no longer get in.
I have actually been very positive there so im sort of confused. I did ask Rufus a question in PM but i would hope that i would at least receive some sort of explanation instead of account deletion. Im guessing I can blame this on one of the new paranoid MODs because ive been posting from Germany all week...the same MODs that probably dont know that even when im home my IP is routed through Germany
Someone please take my sincerest thank you over there for me....they seem to have banned a supporter heh
Posted by jipper on :
cshd sucks IMO.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by jipper: cshd sucks IMO.
LMAO ...... nothing gets past you huh ? What was your first clue ? For me it was meeting in the mexican restraunt in Dallas . Dufus is a freakin' clown and we were all the butt of his jokes .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by jipper: cshd sucks IMO.
LMAO ...... nothing gets past you huh ? What was your first clue ? For me it was meeting in the mexican restraunt in Dallas . Dufus is a freakin' clown and we were all the butt of his jokes .
You went to the dinner? I didnt know that. I guess another reason to be upset about, you probably got nasty heartburn for nothin' eh?
No wonder youre so grumpy Posted by thesource on :
Hell no I didn't go to that crap . Don't get me wrong , I love mexican food but its not worth a crap north of San Antonio .
Posted by thesource on :
And I damn sure wasn't going to make the drive to see some retarded wanna be cowboy with a black trench coat and a teal disco shirt on .
Posted by wdcisco on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: source, why does this one in particular offend you?
after a couple of years? you'll have seen hundreds like this... the only thing that makes this one so different is that it went from under 10 cents to 3$ and back again so quickly... there's literally hundreds of examples of this every year if you really look hard...
the movement on the big boards this past summer was due to "scams" involving bonds from the mortgage market.... and the "experts" still have no friggin idea how much bad paper they have bought...
you'll quickly see my source, on da board:
quote:
These rice coupons were actively traded. The rice coupons sold against future rice deliveries became the world's first futures contracts. The Dojima Rice Exchange, where these coupons traded, became the world's first futures exchange. Rice coupons were also called "empty rice" coupons (that is, rice that was not in physical possession). To give you an idea of the popularity of rice futures trading, consider this: In 1749, there were a total of 110,000 bales (rice used to trade in bales) of empty-rice coupons traded in Osaka. Yet, throughout all of Japan there were only 30, 000 bales of ricea2
The basis for this resistance at $413 was that it was an old support level from late March. Old support often converts to new resistance. Try to remember this! It is a very useful trading rule. pg. 62 Tex
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Hell no I didn't go to that crap . Don't get me wrong , I love mexican food but its not worth a crap north of San Antonio .
So true....and well put.
Ive spent a bit of time in Queretaro Mexico over the last 4 years. I cant really stand eating "mexican" food at home anymore. Although there are some nice places in "Mexicantown" Detroit....and its super safe as long as you like early dinners. Detroit 4 - 2
Look at that thesource. If Detroit can pull that record off? Aything can happen!
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edit : HAHA I just read your second post. While i was typing mine i was thinking to myself "He slammed TexMex but had nothing to say about Rufus....whoah"
But you didnt let me down in the end. Dont you go losin your edge! Posted by T e x on :
apparently, you boys don't get out much...
Source, you need to get up here to Funkytown Posted by retiredat49 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: [QUOTE]If Detroit can pull that record off? Aything can happen!
Ain't that the TRUTH!!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: apparently, you boys don't get out much...
Source, you need to get up here to Funkytown
Funkytown huh ??? I try to stay away from DFW if at all possible .
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: apparently, you boys don't get out much...
Source, you need to get up here to Funkytown
Funkytown huh ??? I try to stay away from DFW if at all possible .
you're wise to stay away from the D in DFW...
will say this--one of my fave places to eat is on St. Mary's, kinda downtown, not Riverwalk. Have to ask my sister for the name. Great, great menu, though...
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: apparently, you boys don't get out much...
Source, you need to get up here to Funkytown
Funkytown huh ??? I try to stay away from DFW if at all possible .
you're wise to stay away from the D in DFW...
will say this--one of my fave places to eat is on St. Mary's, kinda downtown, not Riverwalk. Have to ask my sister for the name. Great, great menu, though...
Pico De Galo ?
Posted by T e x on :
doesn't ring a bell...
as mentioned, will ask my sister--she "found" it
Posted by thesource on :
Mi tierra ? Little margaritas ?
Posted by milliam on :
Tex, There's no doubt that "hope" got a lot of people in trouble on this one. But at this time, I don't see why we can't have "hope" now that we're mixed up in this.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Same thing happened to me! I admit I don't post much over there, but I do log in. I finaly re-resistered and have been waiting for days for a "staff member" to allow me in.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Good morning all
So, after spending a week in Germany trying to keep up with the CSHD Pro b oard I can now no longer get in.
I have actually been very positive there so im sort of confused. I did ask Rufus a question in PM but i would hope that i would at least receive some sort of explanation instead of account deletion. Im guessing I can blame this on one of the new paranoid MODs because ive been posting from Germany all week...the same MODs that probably dont know that even when im home my IP is routed through Germany
Someone please take my sincerest thank you over there for me....they seem to have banned a supporter heh
Posted by thesource on :
Woo hoo it looks like Rufus has gotten his jury trial after all .......... I notice he was smart enough to bring a lawyer this time . Nice choice for a bonding company as well . Maybe they are a JV with CSHD ???
07CR01314-JFL002 STATE OF GEORGIA VS. HARRIS, RUFUS PAUL 6/13/2007 Misdemeanor Jury Trial Maurice Bennett, Attorney For Defendant
Count 1 40-6-391(A)( Driving Under the Influence - Alcohol Count 2 40-5-121 Driving While License Suspended/Revoked-M Count 3 40-8-20 Headlight/Taillights/Tag Lights Required
Double D Bonding Bondsman 89459LID
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Same thing happened to me! I admit I don't post much over there, but I do log in. I finaly re-resistered and have been waiting for days for a "staff member" to allow me in.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Good morning all
So, after spending a week in Germany trying to keep up with the CSHD Pro b oard I can now no longer get in.
I have actually been very positive there so im sort of confused. I did ask Rufus a question in PM but i would hope that i would at least receive some sort of explanation instead of account deletion. Im guessing I can blame this on one of the new paranoid MODs because ive been posting from Germany all week...the same MODs that probably dont know that even when im home my IP is routed through Germany
Someone please take my sincerest thank you over there for me....they seem to have banned a supporter heh
Have you tried to log in from your other PC? My problem actually appears to be my laptop, not my account. Mr Harris does respond to emails regarding this issue so you can try that....although i already emailed him on your behalf.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Thanks for the help. I already tried the other computer, no go.Two great minds that think a like LOL
I probably messed up by re-registering.I just know that I have been on this ride sense the "log" deal and now can't even get on his board.Oh well, not a happy camper here.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Same thing happened to me! I admit I don't post much over there, but I do log in. I finaly re-resistered and have been waiting for days for a "staff member" to allow me in.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Good morning all
So, after spending a week in Germany trying to keep up with the CSHD Pro b oard I can now no longer get in.
I have actually been very positive there so im sort of confused. I did ask Rufus a question in PM but i would hope that i would at least receive some sort of explanation instead of account deletion. Im guessing I can blame this on one of the new paranoid MODs because ive been posting from Germany all week...the same MODs that probably dont know that even when im home my IP is routed through Germany
Someone please take my sincerest thank you over there for me....they seem to have banned a supporter heh
Have you tried to log in from your other PC? My problem actually appears to be my laptop, not my account. Mr Harris does respond to emails regarding this issue so you can try that....although i already emailed him on your behalf.
Posted by Jenna on :
You are all set over there Stock Momma!! Posted by PCola77 on :
Jenna to the rescue!
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey PC!!
How's the program goin'?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Tex, There's no doubt that "hope" got a lot of people in trouble on this one. But at this time, I don't see why we can't have "hope" now that we're mixed up in this.
Gosh, Milliam...
I'm not saying you can or can't... Obviously, that's not up to me...or anybody else.
Such choices are very personal. I guess all I'm saying is, we can agree "emotion" is *not* a good indicator for entering a trade. Therefore, I can't make an argument for emotion keeping me *in* a trade.
For true, I have significant amounts tied up in dead trades, dating back to when I first started. The way I look at it, I "trickle" 'em out into my tax returns: I'm *not* waiting on a miracle.
If we get a miracle now and then, great!
But it's not something one can count on, in my experience.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Thanks Jenna!!! And Mr.C I shouldn't admit this, but an hour ago I went on H?M just to see what was being said (I need a shower LOL) I read that I missed some excitement today over there so now I can go check it out. Thanks again.
QUOTE]Originally posted by Jenna: You are all set over there Stock Momma!! [/QUOTE]
Posted by Igor R on :
Whats the excitement on ch2? I tried following on hsm, but its hard, theres like 50 new posts everytime I look, and theyre all useless.
Posted by new2stocks on :
FWIW
Today, 09:12 AM #34564 phil HSM Addict
I just called the floyd county court clerk. rufus was a no show for the hearing on the 4th, and a warrant for his arrest was issued. There is a bond hearing on the 8th of feb, 08. I have to wonder now if the illegal eviction was nothing more than a ruse to cover for his choosing to be a fugitive.
You may all pat 30west on the back and cheer/laugh loudly while taunting the few remaining hopesters.
Posted by thesource on :
No surprise there ...... what I am suprised about is the misdemeanor DUI charge . I would figure they would upgrade it to a felony since its not his first one .
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Sorry off of subject. I'm watching a 20/20 special on the Calf. fires.How devastating!
Please , let's all say a prayer for the residents and firefighters.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: No surprise there ...... what I am suprised about is the misdemeanor DUI charge . I would figure they would upgrade it to a felony since its not his first one .
apparently, there's now a bench warrant out...looks like Harris was a no-show.
Posted by thesource on :
Whoops this thing almost sank to page 2 ........
Posted by T e x on :
Dabbs with a different outfit, now...PRXT, I think
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Dabbs with a different outfit, now...PRXT, I think
Yep. Just found the PR.
Press Release Source: Proxity Inc.
Proxity, Inc. Announces Letter of Intent to Merge With Proxity Financial Group, Inc. Thursday October 25, 2:22 pm ET
NEW ORLEANS, LA--(MARKET WIRE)--Oct 25, 2007 -- Proxity, Inc. (Other OTC:PRXT.PK - News), announced today that it has entered into a letter of intent to merge with Proxity Financial Group, Inc., (PFGI) a newly formed Delaware corporation. Proxity Financial Group, Inc. was formed in anticipation of this merger and there is no prior affiliation between the companies. PFGI, a project funding and acquisitions company, partners with project owners, through the creation of Joint Ventures, to bring capital projects to completion. PFGI has entered into Letters of Intent for such projects that will bring significant collateralized assets into the PFGI portfolio.
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The terms of the agreement call for Proxity, Inc. to affect an 80 to 1 reverse split and issue 96,250,000 new shares to PFGI. Additional conditions are that PFGI, at the time of Closing, provide a statement of valuation in the new company per Balance Sheet calculation using one of the following three methods: (1) Discounted Forecasted Revenues, (2) Earnings Before Interest, Depreciation and Taxation ("EBITDA") or (3) Assets Net of Short Term Liabilities. Definition of these terms is provided under the guidelines of United States Generally Accepted Accounting Guidelines ("GAAP"). The minimum acceptable valuation to complete this merger is $200,000,000. The current management and Board of Proxity, Inc. will resign, however Billy Robinson will stay on as the interim CFO and will receive stock options and shares under a vesting schedule.
The recently announced distribution of shares of Cyber Defense Systems, Inc. (CYDF) and the proposed spin out of Techsphere Systems International Systems, Inc. will go forward as planned. Proxity Electronic Commerce System, Inc. will be evaluated to determine if additional funds will be invested and or the company will be sold at a later date.
Sabra Dabbs, the Founder, Chief Executive Officer, and Chairman of Proxity Financial Group said, "This is an exciting time for the shareholders of both Proxity Financial Group and Proxity, Inc. We have assembled an outstanding team of senior professionals that allows us to engage with project owners and move selected projects from the drawing board to reality. We have already entered into Letters of Intent with seven owners of high profile projects both in the U.S., and internationally and anticipate that this number will increase in the very near future."
"The Proxity shareholders have been very loyal and patient with the progress of the company. The proposed distributions and announced merger when approved by the shareholders should reward them for their wait. I am very please to offer this opportunity to our shareholders." Stated Billy Robinson, CEO.
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The primary requirement is that each project or acquisition has Equity, Collateral Assets, or current revenue streams that facilitate such funding through one or more sources. PFGI primary sources of funding include (but are not limited) to the following:
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Proxity, Inc. (Other OTC:PRXT.PK - News) is a developmental holding company specializing in the deployment and marketing of security protection technology and government contract fulfillment. Proxity formed Proxity Electronic Commerce Systems, LLC and owns approximately 35%. The company also owns and controls approximately 15,300,000 shares of Cyber Defense Systems, Inc. (OTC BB:CYDF.OB - News). Proxity seeks to acquire and develop both internet based business opportunities and security technology. The Company plans to enter into developmental, teaming and exclusive and nonexclusive marketing and distribution agreements with products developed for Government, commercial, military and homeland defense areas. http://www.proxity.com.
About Proxity Electronic Commerce Systems, LLC (Proxity-EC)
Proxity-EC was founded in 2005 with the goal of becoming the leader in providing information systems dealing with Government logistics databases and vendor awareness of business opportunities in selling both to the Government as well as industry. The founders of Proxity-EC, developers of the PECS Database, are the originators of the current systems of logistics used by industry and the Military including FEDLOGS, Haystack and the ILI Logicom parts database.
The PECS Database provides information on 12 million parts, their suppliers, Government specs and standards as well as non-Government standards, which are linked from the database to the cited standards. The system also provides an alert service on sales opportunities to the Government's 400,000 contractors as well as requisite data used by the Military. For more on Proxity-EC, go to: http://www.proxity-ec.com/
Forward-Looking Statements:
This release contains statements that constitute forward-looking statements. These statements appear in a number of places in this release and include all statements that are not statements of historical fact regarding the intent, belief or current expectations of the Company, its directors or its officers with respect to, among other things: (i) the Company's financing plans; (ii) trends affecting the Company's financial condition or results of operations; (iii) the Company's growth strategy and operating strategy; and (iv) the declaration and payment of dividends. The words "may," "would," "will," "expect," "estimate," "anticipate," "believe," "intend," and similar expressions and variations thereof are intended to identify forward-looking statements. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and involve risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond the Company's ability to control and those actual results may differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors.
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Posted by thesource on :
Damn I wonder how many CSHD'ers are going to jump in that one ???
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Not this CSHD'er!
Posted by a surfer on :
Sabra Dabbs was the most likeable person to talk to on the phone. She has that southern bell accent that just makes you do stupid things....
It will be interesting to watch this unfold...
Come on the source lets put a couple hundred grand in PFGI
Posted by a surfer on :
over 200% fri source .....come on... I heard it's going to $15 or was it $51 hmmm or was it $104.
Obviously someone is trying to pump this over on IHUB . I got a 2 week ban last night for calling her a lying <unt and anyone in that stock should get the hell out while they could .
I guess they didn't like that or something ????
Posted by milliam on :
From a 10-QSB filing for CYBER DEFENSE SYSTEMS, INC.:
NOTE 5- NOTES PAYABLE
On March 15, 2006, the Company entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement, dated as of March 14, 2006 with AJW Partners, LLC, AJW Offshore, Ltd., AJW Qualified Partners, LLC, and New Millennium Capital Partners II, LLC ("AJW") whereby the Company authorized the sale of an aggregate of $2,000,000 of 6% Callable Secured Convertible Notes and warrants to purchase 2,000,000 shares of common stock for a total offering price of $2,000,000. The $2,000,000 is to be funded in three tranches ($1,000,000 on March 15, 2006, $500,000 upon filing a Registration Statement and $500,000 upon effectiveness of the Registration Statement). The conversion price is the lesser of $3.00 or 55% of the average of the lowest three intra-day trading prices for the Company's common stock during the 20 trading days immediately preceding the conversion date.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: From a 10-QSB filing for CYBER DEFENSE SYSTEMS, INC.:
NOTE 5- NOTES PAYABLE
On March 15, 2006, the Company entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement, dated as of March 14, 2006 with AJW Partners, LLC, AJW Offshore, Ltd., AJW Qualified Partners, LLC, and New Millennium Capital Partners II, LLC ("AJW") whereby the Company authorized the sale of an aggregate of $2,000,000 of 6% Callable Secured Convertible Notes and warrants to purchase 2,000,000 shares of common stock for a total offering price of $2,000,000. The $2,000,000 is to be funded in three tranches ($1,000,000 on March 15, 2006, $500,000 upon filing a Registration Statement and $500,000 upon effectiveness of the Registration Statement). The conversion price is the lesser of $3.00 or 55% of the average of the lowest three intra-day trading prices for the Company's common stock during the 20 trading days immediately preceding the conversion date.
Same people....different scam
Posted by milliam on :
I know last time that Mike Alexander said he didn't understand what was happening when his stock pps kept falling, but Sabra has to know the deal. I have a feeling Mike did too. Who knows.
Seems like the SEC could at least crack down on this crap that keeps taking money from us common folk.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
The big question Milliam is.....can the SEC reach those people?
Everyone seems to be moving on like business as usual...everyone except RPH of course. People can hate the man because he "lost your money" or whatever but why and how is it that Sabra is seemingly hip deep in the same toxic financiers that MA was? It appears to me like some sort of cycle....one of which RPH is obviously not a part of IMO
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: The big question Milliam is.....can the SEC reach those people?
Everyone seems to be moving on like business as usual...everyone except RPH of course. People can hate the man because he "lost your money" or whatever but why and how is it that Sabra is seemingly hip deep in the same toxic financiers that MA was? It appears to me like some sort of cycle....one of which RPH is obviously not a part of IMO
Sabra and Mike screwed Rufus and they are on to screwing the next guy. Oh and Rufus did a good job screwing himself too.
Screwy isn't it..... Posted by T e x on :
what makes RPH "separate" ? How is he somehow "arm's length"?
I see this idea advanced elsewhere, and don't get it...
In fact, a good question seems to be: where is RPH?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: what makes RPH "separate" ? How is he somehow "arm's length"?
I see this idea advanced elsewhere, and don't get it...
In fact, a good question seems to be: where is RPH?
I consider him seperate because although everyone else is out trying to pick up where they left off RPH is still communicating with the shareholders. Some people may not be satisfied with what he has to say but it is indeed interesting IMO. Although, RPH is fighting alone because he chose to....he said himself that he signed everything so no one else was liable once the SEC stepped in, or something along those lines.
Im anxious to see why he chose to do that....win or lose, im curious.
Posted by thesource on :
It might very well be true that Dufus was the victim amongst the crooks but he still made promises and guarantees that he could not keep . I personally don't think he's even close to being innocent in the matter . I think all of them were involved , some were just in deeper than others .
I know one thing , I mouthed off on IHUB about Sabra and they banned my azz instantly . No warning or anything .......
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: It might very well be true that Dufus was the victim amongst the crooks but he still made promises and guarantees that he could not keep . I personally don't think he's even close to being innocent in the matter . I think all of them were involved , some were just in deeper than others .
I know one thing , I mouthed off on IHUB about Sabra and they banned my azz instantly . No warning or anything .......
Im VERY interested to see where Sabra winds up. Especially since she brought MA and RPH together. They either worked Rufus over or Rufus "let" them.....theres a big difference there and a lot of money is riding on it.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: It might very well be true that Dufus was the victim amongst the crooks but he still made promises and guarantees that he could not keep . I personally don't think he's even close to being innocent in the matter . I think all of them were involved , some were just in deeper than others .
I know one thing , I mouthed off on IHUB about Sabra and they banned my azz instantly . No warning or anything .......
Im VERY interested to see where Sabra winds up. Especially since she brought MA and RPH together. They either worked Rufus over or Rufus "let" them.....theres a big difference there and a lot of money is riding on it.
another lil sumpin' sumpin I missed, Mr. CE...
how did Dabbs "bring together" RPH & MA?
Particularly interesting to me, cuz one PR I saw on the new play mentioned her background with "billions" worth of financials...maybe even said bonds...
Posted by thesource on :
My opinion on the matter is this :
(1) All parties involved are guilty . (includes all officers of the company and former officers with ties to this crap.) (2) Rufus knew the bonds didn't belong to the company and forged the documents and signed the signatures of the Ven gov. but gambled on the fact that the ownership of the bonds could not be verified one way or the other. (3) Rufus deliberately misinformed the share holders and the general public of the facts with the intent to run the PPS and force a short covering . (4) Rufus is probably a complusive liar , possible bipolar , a drunk and is always the victim . (5) Friends and family members of the officers and former officers made some serious cash on this POS at our expense . (6) Tut a.k.a. John A. is a jackazz . (7) And last but not least , the SEC will probably do nothing on this craptastic stock for a very long time while all the other rats start up new scams and screw over a whole new group of suckers .
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: It might very well be true that Dufus was the victim amongst the crooks but he still made promises and guarantees that he could not keep . I personally don't think he's even close to being innocent in the matter . I think all of them were involved , some were just in deeper than others .
I know one thing , I mouthed off on IHUB about Sabra and they banned my azz instantly . No warning or anything .......
Im VERY interested to see where Sabra winds up. Especially since she brought MA and RPH together. They either worked Rufus over or Rufus "let" them.....theres a big difference there and a lot of money is riding on it.
another lil sumpin' sumpin I missed, Mr. CE...
how did Dabbs "bring together" RPH & MA?
Particularly interesting to me, cuz one PR I saw on the new play mentioned her background with "billions" worth of financials...maybe even said bonds...
Tex I don't know the exact "how" of it but Rufus did mention on SPR that Dabbs brought the 2 together. Rufus also stated that Dabbs was the one getting the "business deals" for CSHD.
As I understood she was the one striking up the big players.
She had the connections with these mysterious heavy hitters.
I am really curious to see what comes of their new venture/scam...
Posted by T e x on :
too bad... I bet that's one of the shows Simon lost. Maybe not. Will ask.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: too bad... I bet that's one of the shows Simon lost. Maybe not. Will ask.
If you know which thread has all of them together on SPR I think someone did a play by play.
Posted by T e x on :
no... have no idea. Am pretty sure he lost some interviews during that stretch.
Whether anybody else recorded them, I have no way to verify.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: no... have no idea. Am pretty sure he lost some interviews during that stretch.
Whether anybody else recorded them, I have no way to verify.
I didn't record them but remember that Sabra and Mike Alexander had know each other for a long time prior to Sabra being introduced to Rufus and being brought aboard. I believe this was stated during the interview with Mike, Rufus and Sabra on the show and that Mike was Drunk of his Azz that night.
As far as the bonds, Sabra had nothing to do with the Venezuelan bonds but was the one that brought in the bonds that came after that. The ones from Canady and Salki.
When I saw the Address of Peachtree St on the PR from SABRA's new company, it seemed to be very familiar but I don't remember if it was because of CSHD or Canady's Scientific Humanitarian Foundation.
What is a bit interesting is when you look at the major players here:
Mike bought a company and attempted a failed merger with the same water logs.
Sabra has a company attempting a Reverse merger in the well let's use her words and see how it mirrors a lot of what was CSHD PFGI, a project funding and acquisitions company, specializes in providing equity capital and financial, strategic, and operational expertise to assist owners and management teams in providing liquidity for shareholders, making strategic acquisitions, and financing major capital expenditures or growth programs.
The primary requirement is that each project or acquisition has Equity, Collateral Assets, or current revenue streams that facilitate such funding through one or more sources. PFGI primary sources of funding include (but are not limited) to the following:
-- Partnering with Local, State, National, or International Government Development agencies relating to the issuance of Investment Grade Industrial Revenue Bonds -- Secondary Offerings of Common Stock -- Origination of Investment Grade Corporate Bonds -- Capital provided by Joint Venture or Third Party Sources
PFGI utilizes an extensive network of U.S. and International Banks to facilitate the complex process of monetizing these financing instruments and will use its unique position as both the financing organization and majority owner of the projects to provide outstanding potential for its shareholders.
Ben Stanley is CEO of a new company dealing with Mortages
and even Paul Poetter from the Wattle days has bought himself a Shell.
Rufus, lost his lease on the Ranch then lost his horses and was evicted from his home.
Maybe those that moved on found the perfect patsy in Rufus because the all seem to have landed very lightly and Rufus just keeps falling lower and lower. I guess Rufus just believed his BS to be bible while the others took the money and ran.
Posted by a surfer on :
Maybe those that moved on found the perfect patsy in Rufus because the all seem to have landed very lightly and Rufus just keeps falling lower and lower. I guess Rufus just believed his BS to be bible while the others took the money and ran.
Well said Wally.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Maybe those that moved on found the perfect patsy in Rufus because the all seem to have landed very lightly and Rufus just keeps falling lower and lower. I guess Rufus just believed his BS to be bible while the others took the money and ran.
Well said Wally.
Agreed....thats not a bad guess. It still makes me wonder (hope i guess) if Rufus knew they were posturing him as the patsy so he covered his butt along the way and documented everything. The thing is though, they obviously never took him serious. He was stating very openly on SPR one night that "bad people" had their hands in the CSHD cookie jar but they werent going to get away with the same crimes that they pulled off in BBAN. I asked Poetter in PM once if the T/A knew that the float was allegedly locked up someplace why would that T/A play along with this game.....he should have known a LONG time ago where this would end up. Poetter basically responded "well i guess it all depends whether or not the T/A is legit". I let it go at that although i wasnt satisfied with the response. Again....the T/A MUST have known if Rufus had a case here and he must have known well before the merger announcement.
Anyway, im rambling.....i need more coffee
Posted by new2stocks on :
Pacer update Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 19 Filed 10/30/2007 Page 1 of 5
IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA ATLANTA DIVISION
CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDING : CORPORATION and RUFUS PAUL : HARRIS a/k/a PAUL RUFUS HARRIS, : : Defendants. :
ORDER
This matter is presently before the Court on Plaintiff’s Motion to Strike Answer [Doc. No. 15] and Defendant Rufus Paul Harris’ Motion to Set Aside the Entry of Default [Doc. No. 17]. The Securities and Exchange Commission (the “SEC”) filed this action on October 24, 2006, alleging that Defendants violated certain sections of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 and seeking injunctive relief, civil penalties, and disgorgement of ill-gotten gains. On the same day, the SEC filed a motion for temporary restraining order, and this Court heard oral argument on the SEC’s motion on October 25, 2006. Defendant Rufus Paul Harris appeared at oral argument and argued against the entry of a temporary restraining order. After considering the applicable law and the arguments of the parties, the Court orally granted the SEC’s motion and entered a temporary restraining order on October 26, 2006. On November 7, 2006, Defendant Harris filed in the Clerk’s Office a document reflecting his consent to the entry of a preliminary injunction in this case. Notwithstanding his participation in the October 25, 2006 hearing and the filing of the consent document, Defendant Harris did not file a response to the SEC’s Complaint in this action, and, on November 29, 2006, the Clerk of Court entered default against him.
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Nearly five months later, on April 24, 2007, Defendant Harris filed an answer to Plaintiff’s Complaint, which appears to be filed on behalf of himself and Defendant Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation (“Conversion”). The SEC thereafter moved to strike this answer on the grounds that it was filed out of time, that the Clerk had entered default against Mr. Harris, and, to the extent that the answer purported to be filed on behalf of Defendant Conversion, Mr. Harris was not authorized to file an answer on Conversion’s behalf. Mr. Harris then filed a motion to set aside the Clerk’s entry of default and filed another answer to the SEC’s Complaint on the same day.
As an initial matter, the Court agrees with Plaintiff’s position that Mr. Harris’ April 24, 2007 answer was filed grossly out of time and is due to be stricken. Pursuant to Federal Rule of Civil Procedure 12(a)(1)(A), Defendant Harris’ answer was due within twenty (20) days after he was served with the summons and Complaint in this action. The SEC filed proof of service indicating that Defendant Harris was served with the summons and Complaint on November 4, 2006. Accordingly, Mr. Harris’ answer was due long before April 24, 2007. In addition, although the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure contemplate that enlargements of time periods may be warranted in some cases, Mr. Harris did not file a motion for enlargement of time prior to filing the April 24, 2007 answer, pursuant to Rule 6(b). Accordingly, the SEC’s motion to strike is hereby GRANTED.1
As previously noted, Mr. Harris has moved to set aside the default entered against him by the Clerk of Court. The Federal Rules of Civil Procedure allow a
1
The Court moreover agrees with the SEC’s position that Mr. Harris was not authorized to file an answer on behalf of Defendant Conversion, insofar as there is no indication that Mr. Harris is a licensed attorney in this state. See Local Rule 83.1E(2)(b)(I).
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court to set aside an entry of default for “good cause shown.” Fed. R. Civ. P. 55(c).2 As the Eleventh Circuit has explained,
Good cause is a mutable standard, varying from situation to situation.
It is also a liberal one – but not so elastic as to be devoid of substance.
We recognize that good cause is not susceptible to a precise formula, but some general guidelines are commonly applied. Courts have considered whether the default was culpable or willful, whethersetting it aside would prejudice the adversary, and whether thedefaulting party presents a meritorious defense. We note, however, that these factors are not talismanic, and that courts have examinedother factors, including whether the public interest was implicated, whether there was significant financial loss to the defaulting party, and whether the defaulting party acted promptly to correct thedefault. Whatever factors are employed, the imperative is that they beregarded simply as a means of identifying circumstances whichwarrant the finding of good cause to set aside a default. However, ifa party willfully defaults by displaying either an intentional orreckless disregard for the judicial proceedings, the court need make noother findings in denying relief.
Compania Interamericana Export-Import, S.A. v. Compania Dominicana De
Aviacion, 88 F.3d 948, 951-52 (1996) (citations and internal marks omitted). Having
applied this standard, the Court concludes that Defendant Harris has failed to
establish good cause for setting aside the entry of default in this case. In his motion,
Defendant Harris contends that he should be allowed to defend the claims in this
action because of the seriousness of the allegations, references the availability of
newly-discovered evidence, and states that he has fully cooperated with the SEC and
has provided records showing no receipt of ill-gotten gains. Defendant also takes
issue with certain statements made in the SEC’s motion to strike.3
Defendant offers no explanation for his failure to timely file a response to the
2 The Court notes that Defendant Harris references Rule 60 as authority for his
motion; however, the Court considers Rule 55(c) to provide the appropriate standard in
light of the relief sought by Defendant.
3 These disputed matters, however, are immaterial to the Court’s conclusion that
Defendant Harris’ April 24, 2007 answer was untimely filed, without leave of Court, and
should be stricken. The Court therefore will not address these disputes here.
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SEC’s Complaint. Defendant Harris cannot claim that he was unaware of the
Complaint or the seriousness of the allegations because he participated in the
hearing on the motion for temporary restraining order in October 2007, where the
nature of this action was thoroughly discussed. Mr. Harris was present when the
Court orally announced that the motion for temporary restraining order was due to
be granted, indicating that the SEC had established a prima facie case of securities
law violations. The Court therefore is unpersuaded that the seriousness of the
allegations in some way excuses Defendant’s failure to timely respond to the
Complaint or that Defendant was unaware of the seriousness of this case prior to
April 2007.
Defendant Harris furthermore provides no substantive information regarding
the nature of the purported newly-discovered evidence he references in his motion.
He does not explain how or when the evidence was obtained, the nature of the
evidence, or how the evidence impacts the instant litigation. While Defendant states
that he has fully cooperated with the SEC and has provided evidence that he did not
receive any ill-gotten gains, Defendant does not explain how this fact, even if true,
establishes good cause to set aside the entry of default.
In sum, the Court concludes that Defendant Harris was well aware of the
seriousness of this action but nonetheless waited nearly five months after the Clerk
entered default against him to respond to the Complaint. Defendant has offered no
explanation for this lengthy delay. The Court, having considered the grounds for
setting aside the default raised by Defendant Harris and having considered the
factors addressed in the Compania decision, concludes that Defendant Harris has
failed to establish that good cause exists for setting aside the entry of default in this
case. Accordingly, the Court hereby DENIES the motion to set aside the default.
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SO ORDERED this 30th day of October, 2007.
s/ CLARENCE COOPER
CLARENCE COOPER UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE
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Posted by T e x on :
pretty cut 'n dried...no surprise, there.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
hmmmmmmmmm.........and then?
Im curious to see what follows. Although im not experienced in this type of thing im thinking there is no "and then". However, it doesnt explain why the company continues to trade. Very confusing.
Posted by T e x on :
SEC now cleared for civil suit: might ask for disgorgement, barring from public companies, etc etc. If the company goes long enough without filing, it probably will be delisted.
Any criminal charges will originate with either the DOJ or some state's AG, most likely of course would be Georgia's...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: SEC now cleared for civil suit: might ask for disgorgement, barring from public companies, etc etc. If the company goes long enough without filing, it probably will be delisted.
Any criminal charges will originate with either the DOJ or some state's AG, most likely of course would be Georgia's...
Might ask for disgorgement? From whom?
Im not so sure this is "cut and dry". The Judge took several months to come up with that response? I think its all pretty weak IMO. At least maybe now the SEC can make their move...whatever that move may be.
Personally i think they (the SEC) are just as uneducated about the situation as they were a year ago. Id be surprised if they even have a plan.
Posted by Igor R on :
Too bad that wasn't entered in tomorrow, would've made for a fun halloween present, NOT! haha
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: SEC now cleared for civil suit: might ask for disgorgement, barring from public companies, etc etc. If the company goes long enough without filing, it probably will be delisted.
Any criminal charges will originate with either the DOJ or some state's AG, most likely of course would be Georgia's...
Might ask for disgorgement? From whom?
Im not so sure this is "cut and dry". The Judge took several months to come up with that response? I think its all pretty weak IMO. At least maybe now the SEC can make their move...whatever that move may be.
Personally i think they (the SEC) are just as uneducated about the situation as they were a year ago. Id be surprised if they even have a plan.
I agree. I still find it amazing that the SEC can have no case but make Rufus and the company prove they are innocent. I thought you were innocent until proven guilty???
And after a year nothing really settled but because Rufus took his time the default makes them AUTOMATICALLY guilty?
What a bunch of BS. The judge needs to throw the case out!
It seems obvious that if the company did something really wrong the SEC should have delisted them ASAP but the fact that we are still trading, even if on the grays, tells me the SEC didn't have enough proof to delist them.
Yes, I'm off my soapbox, for now.
Godspeed!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: SEC now cleared for civil suit: might ask for disgorgement, barring from public companies, etc etc. If the company goes long enough without filing, it probably will be delisted.
Any criminal charges will originate with either the DOJ or some state's AG, most likely of course would be Georgia's...
Might ask for disgorgement? From whom?
Im not so sure this is "cut and dry". The Judge took several months to come up with that response? I think its all pretty weak IMO. At least maybe now the SEC can make their move...whatever that move may be.
Personally i think they (the SEC) are just as uneducated about the situation as they were a year ago. Id be surprised if they even have a plan.
From anybody involved...eg, Alexander cleared 6 to 7 mil, that we know of...
Actually, it's a pretty articulate response, given the mishmash that Harris filed. Whoever wrote it used great restraint: "intentional or reckless disregard . . . . indeed. And, no, the judge didn't spend months figuring out a response: the issues are pretty clear. Doubtful it's a high priority item for a federal judge.
Uneducated? lol...about what? They asked for TRO and got it; got the default; then asked for the set aside, and got that, too.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: SEC now cleared for civil suit: might ask for disgorgement, barring from public companies, etc etc. If the company goes long enough without filing, it probably will be delisted.
Any criminal charges will originate with either the DOJ or some state's AG, most likely of course would be Georgia's...
Might ask for disgorgement? From whom?
Im not so sure this is "cut and dry". The Judge took several months to come up with that response? I think its all pretty weak IMO. At least maybe now the SEC can make their move...whatever that move may be.
Personally i think they (the SEC) are just as uneducated about the situation as they were a year ago. Id be surprised if they even have a plan.
I agree. I still find it amazing that the SEC can have no case but make Rufus and the company prove they are innocent. I thought you were innocent until proven guilty???
And after a year nothing really settled but because Rufus took his time the default makes them AUTOMATICALLY guilty?
What a bunch of BS. The judge needs to throw the case out!
It seems obvious that if the company did something really wrong the SEC should have delisted them ASAP but the fact that we are still trading, even if on the grays, tells me the SEC didn't have enough proof to delist them.
Yes, I'm off my soapbox, for now.
Godspeed!
lawzy...
this again?
remember Enron?
Delisting will come soon enough--if the company continues to be delinquent in filing. As I recall, trading on greys does not waive filing requirements.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Yes uneducated (or at least IMO they currently have that appearance). Until they can show me where the money went...the are uneducated IMO. Youve stated a couple of times now that Alexander cleared 6 to 7 million yet i dont see any action being taken by the SEC against him. The default is against RPH and CSHD....yet, IMO, the crime took place in FHAL.
Maybe this is all going on behind the scenes already. Some have said that RPH may have worked WITH the SEC to find "the dump", I certainly hope so. Maybe the evidence was there June of last year and the following months only added to the evidence.
What you say is true, the SEC got everything they asked for.....I hope the F'ing do something with it now! IMO the SEC had NO "visible" reason to allow CSHD to continue trading after the suspension...yet it still trades today. As far as I can tell, its now back in the hands of the SEC. If they have been doing their homework they should have an action already in place now that the Judge has ruled. If we dont see anything from them, I would think its safe to assume they have an empty file and we have gotten nowhere in a year.
Posted by PCola77 on :
It's funny how different people can read the same thing and come to completely different conclusions.
I read it and said "Well, that's it, it's all over now. Rufus' response is stricken, the SEC won and the erally don't have to do anythign now"
Then I read your response and you're of the opinion that if they don't do anythign it proves they didn't know anything.
I'm far from a lawyer, so i may be totally wrong, but my gut feeling was that this was the last nail in the coffin, and this is officially a write-off now (if there was any hope previously).
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Yes uneducated (or at least IMO they currently have that appearance). Until they can show me where the money went...the are uneducated IMO. Youve stated a couple of times now that Alexander cleared 6 to 7 million yet i dont see any action being taken by the SEC against him. The default is against RPH and CSHD....yet, IMO, the crime took place in FHAL.
Maybe this is all going on behind the scenes already. Some have said that RPH may have worked WITH the SEC to find "the dump", I certainly hope so. Maybe the evidence was there June of last year and the following months only added to the evidence.
What you say is true, the SEC got everything they asked for.....I hope the F'ing do something with it now! IMO the SEC had NO "visible" reason to allow CSHD to continue trading after the suspension...yet it still trades today. As far as I can tell, its now back in the hands of the SEC. If they have been doing their homework they should have an action already in place now that the Judge has ruled. If we dont see anything from them, I would think its safe to assume they have an empty file and we have gotten nowhere in a year.
Posted by T e x on :
As posted elsewhere, I get the idea some believe this is somehow a criminal proceeding. It's just simple, civil stuff... On a timeline, a chart, this would be about step 1 and a half... say, 1-b... In other words, since the TRO, all that's really happened is the customary default, which Harris in effect agreed to... Subsequently, he responded late (and not well) so the default remains in place...
If he were gonna fight for the company and shareholder value, he would've gotten an attorney for the company, another for himself, and made sure the company continued to file its reports.
As mentioned before, the SEC used to de facto de-list companies by issuing serial suspensions, one after another. Congress decided that was too much power and busted 'em back to one suspension, unless they find new reasons. That is, SEC *can* order another suspension, but it must be for something other than what the preceding one was for.
And, yes, there are "emergency" steps that can be taken, such as seizing assets and so forth, but from what I've seen that's usually used with foreign companies--and, of course, there have to be assets.
Also, yes, it's ponderously slow. Look how long it took to shut down CMKX... Don't get me wrong: I'm not necessarily "defending" the system. I think deep, structural changes need to made. But stamping one's feet and demanding that unless a company is shut down proves "something"...? That's simply displaying one doesn't understand the process that--good or bad--*is* in place.
Shoot, look at BCIT. Two years in limbo, and there's not nearly as much due process at work in that case as there is this one. DTCC put a "global lock" on shares, and no one can get 'em to budge despite two lawsuits and hundreds of trader complaints. No explanations, no hearings, no rulings, no trading...nothing.
Posted by milliam on :
First off, I thought there were no filings with Pink Sheets, so why would there be filings needed with a lowly gray sheet?
As for this being over...I felt that way too, but one thing might help out here. Now that the SEC has won, won't they need to figure out how much the digorgements are from the pump and dump? Looking into that, I would hope would show just what happened in all of this. Then again, they could just bar RPH from any officer positition and forget about everything else. Who knows?
The MA profits and his incredibly late Form 4 is one of the reasons I have stayed faithful that this will work out for us. I think this kind of stuff pretty much shows that there are crooks here and that justice will be given. If this falls through, I'm up for doing whatever needed to see to it that MA and his gang is brought to justice or at least proven not guilty.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Pcola, i know where you are coming from....and i dont blame you for feeling the way you do. But, this was the judgement for the default. So yes, Rufus has a fight on his hands and the company remains in default. BUT, there is no doubt there was a pump and dump somewhere along the line. If the SEC wants to pursue RPH for the claims they have made against him then im sure they have done their homework and they are likely preparing their case against him. I dont see it as the final nail in the coffin because now they need to discover where the dump went. Thats where our money is IMO. As Tex said, the word on the street is that MA made upwards of 6 mil off of this...but what about those other 50 million shares that were gifted away? Personally i think they found their way into the market. Someone needs to sit down and start counting shares...20 mil, 30 mil, etc. I think it will end up somewhere around 80 million....far more than there should be. Where did the shares come from and who made money from them? Someone will have to pay and im sorry if i still feel that Rufus has those answers.....and had them all along.
IMO the judges response should have been anticipated. Now the SEC can hopefully look past Mr Harris and locate the cash. They might want to start with the T/A i suppose? Im no lawyer either but this is what makes sense to lil ole me.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: SEC now cleared for civil suit: might ask for disgorgement, barring from public companies, etc etc. If the company goes long enough without filing, it probably will be delisted.
Any criminal charges will originate with either the DOJ or some state's AG, most likely of course would be Georgia's...
That judgment/filing means game over for CSHD even if they were to come up with an attorney . Its too late ...... actually its way past too late and has been for a long time . As said above , the company had 20 days to file their motions .
I can hear it now from the Rufus camp about all these conspiracy theories and how the naked shorters and the SEC bribed the judge .
Posted by thesource on :
Its a bit ironic but I sold off ECFL today for a huge gain and made back all of the loses I lost on CSHD + some extra $$$ . Its was just around this time last year we all got whacked in the head with this POS .
Posted by T e x on :
Milliam,
to clarify...my assumption is that traders/investors want the company returned to OTCBB. Further, I'm assuming the stock was registered in the first place re: 12-g requirements. (Well, there's a different route, there, too: 300 or 500 shareholders, at different asset levels.)
First, as has been discussed, the company must get an MM on board via 15c2-11. Then OTCCBB has its reporting requirements, breaching which leads to the "E" designation for delinquent. If delinquent too often, the company gets booted to pinks.
Aside from that, SEC can revoke a stock's registration if the company gets too far behind in filing. The company might be involved in all sorts of shenanigans, but keeping the filings up to date prevents revocation. But a pinkie with unregistered stock could hang on for years to come...(unless SEC can show it should've been registered, I think.)
I think you're right: "they could just bar RPH from any officer positition and forget about everything else."
I, too, hope they move for disgorgement and shareholder recovery, too. But the latter takes years and years...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Its a bit ironic but I sold off ECFL today for a huge gain and made back all of the loses I lost on CSHD + some extra $$$ . Its was just around this time last year we all got whacked in the head with this POS .
great! good for you Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Its a bit ironic but I sold off ECFL today for a huge gain and made back all of the loses I lost on CSHD + some extra $$$ . Its was just around this time last year we all got whacked in the head with this POS .
great! good for you
It feels good to be on the profitting side of things for a change .
Posted by wallymac on :
IMO, the next step will be receivership. I could be wrong but I believe that is the only course left. For anyone thinking that the SEC will somehow magically reverse their position and use this case to pursue anyone who actually received Ill Gotten gains, think again. That would be a separate action. This case was about RPH and CSHD. If the SEC decided that MA, Sabra and the rest of the usual suspects received Ill Gotten gains they would have to file a new action against them.
As they say in Spanish: "Se Acabo".
I think this sums it up pretty well:
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Originally Posted by TNTrader View Post Actually, the ruling allows the default to stand. CSHD and Rufus have lost the case,by default. That was the point of entering the default. The SEC has won due to Rufus' refusal to answer in accordence with rule 55 and the judges order. What remains is the actuation of the relief sought by the SEC in its original complaint. Civil discovery is over, though the investigation may continue to tie up any remaining questions. As to delisting, CSHD was delisted when it went to the gray's, that is what delisting is, removal from a quoted issue market. The shares trade because the government cannot take your property(your shares) without a court order. They now have that order and will likely halt trading very soon as a first act of recievership.
also, a downloadable .pdf
Posted by thesource on :
According to a securities fraud agent I spoke to here in Texas several months ago , receivership is probably exactly whats going to happen . The problem is the company has no assets to seize and distribute so everyone basically gets an IOU for their losses . Its kind of like placing a lien against someone that does not have a pot to piss in to begin with .
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: According to a securities fraud agent I spoke to here in Texas several months ago , receivership is probably exactly whats going to happen . The problem is the company has no assets to seize and distribute so everyone basically gets an IOU for their losses . Its kind of like placing a lien against someone that does not have a pot to piss in to begin with .
Yup...making ity easier to file for bankruptcy, which if granted is quite a monkey wrench.
There's still disgorgement, though--which is no guarantee of any funds going to investors, but that could happen.
Posted by thesource on :
I don't think CSHD will bother filing bankruptcy . I doubt Dufus will be a free man in the next few months . If he skipped out on the DUI hearing and has a bench warrant for failure to appear that means his bond will get revoked and probably his probation for the 1st DUI will get revoked as well .
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hail Hail, the gangs all here. Good to see so many familiar names back on this board.
As far as counting shares...remember the original NOBO list from last year? Now, if we catch MA and throw him in Jail, recoup the cash he got from the the P & D and distribute it to all us shareholders as a divy...there's our 6 for 1.
I can't stop laughing at this point. Or is that crying?
Posted by PCola77 on :
So, who's starting the PRXT thread? It's up like 400% this week.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I don't think CSHD will bother filing bankruptcy . I doubt Dufus will be a free man in the next few months . If he skipped out on the DUI hearing and has a bench warrant for failure to appear that means his bond will get revoked and probably his probation for the 1st DUI will get revoked as well .
He may find himself doing time for the DUI. I dont believe he will spend a single day behind bars for any of the CSHD stuff however. If the SEC continues to go after him even though they apparently have no money trail leading to him then we can all burn our certs IMO. They need to follow the money and so far it doesnt look like they can do it alone...IMO they need him and they are gonna have to face it.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: So, who's starting the PRXT thread? It's up like 400% this week.
Greed sure makes me want to play but distrust for the folks running the show prevent me from buying in. Personally i think its going up so quickly because they have a captive audience.......I hope people are being careful.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: I don't think CSHD will bother filing bankruptcy . I doubt Dufus will be a free man in the next few months . If he skipped out on the DUI hearing and has a bench warrant for failure to appear that means his bond will get revoked and probably his probation for the 1st DUI will get revoked as well .
He may find himself doing time for the DUI. I dont believe he will spend a single day behind bars for any of the CSHD stuff however. If the SEC continues to go after him even though they apparently have no money trail leading to him then we can all burn our certs IMO. They need to follow the money and so far it doesnt look like they can do it alone...IMO they need him and they are gonna have to face it.
I'd rather him spend time for the DUI than some white collar crime . County and state jails are much nicer than ClubFed Posted by Ocqueoc on :
I personally would like the person or people that made a lot of money off of this ( by pumping and dumping, not day traders) pay for this.
Source, you always make it sound like only one person did all this. Shouldn't the guilty pay? We may or may not ever know , who all the "bad" guys were, but I still believe that a person is innocent until proven guilty. If and when we know, I'll keep my condemnation to myself. IMO
Posted by 10of13 on :
wow...still others speculate at this actually going some where...at least on that other board...I couldn't take the BS any more and posted this over there...and asked RPH to be up front for the love of GOD...Yes...it was some what "emotional"...but I am not emotional about the STOCK...just the people and animals that have been hurt and played with! OK...I'm over it now...need to go...have a good one all!
"OMG...unreal.... What kind of speculation and false hopes will innocent people get fed now? People need to just stop... I have sat and watched and read for a year at all of the "Holy God Blesses" and God Speeds...it sickens me that any human would use God, their family, their children and their animals as a means of "gathering a false following" in the manner of which the so called "leader" of this stock scam has done. I am not a bull shooter, liar or basher on message boards or in real life...and my "frustration", disappointment and anger at the happenings and behavior of the "players" in this stock are enough to make any true Christian or human in general have disgust and boarder line "hate" for so many.
I have watched and listened to the horrible roller coaster ride of emotions flood through so many good people...it's nothing less than pathetic and disheartening! Rufus or Paul or what ever name you wish to go by...you have financially and emotionally harmed many with your empty promises and deceiving riddles that you fed...it matters not if you to were "suckered" but your preaching of the "golden" and the things that you promised and in the "Oh so matter of fact" verbiage...it's too bad that those things alone are not punishable in our society...regardless of the angle that you attempt to defend yourself...and regardless of who really "dumped"...you did the "pump"...you are and have been wrong in the way that you have handled things and in the way you have so willingly mislead people!
For those of you that have lost and those that have suffered...take comfort in knowing that you have been rewarded in other ways...and may your line be the shortest as you wait your turn...because your turn will come...and this "stock" will matter no more...Thank GOD!
Just put the dang stock to rest and let people move on with their lives...too much time was wasted...admit that it is done RPH...and let people move on..." Posted by new2stocks on :
10of13, GREAT POST!
Posted by NEL on :
Still trying to figure out how to recover my $30K losses. Working on it $1K at a time... Don't fret I made more than that on USXP in the past! But still haven't told hubby...
Posted by 10of13 on :
thanks New2...not sure i want to go over to the other board a read how i am a "traitor"...or out to do "no good"...Haha...oh well...if it makes one person let go of the BS...then it wasn't a waste of my time...
Nel...you'll get it back...and I'm with you on the not telling hubby thing...!!! Posted by Ocqueoc on :
10, I sure hope my post to Soruce , didn't upset you.I just get sooo mad that some that were involved in all of this "seem" to be getting away with no problems. As far as the "other" board, you probably got me banned LOL or at least tarred and feathered. After reading your post, I had to go check , of course, AND told them to leave you alone. Oh well, I just got re-instated and most ignore me anyhow.I hope they don't ban me, but if they do, they do. You are the sweetest poster out there and just had to spread that word. Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Well, 10, you and I are both "out of there" They could have at least let me send the post that I spent 4 minutes replying too. *sigh*
I was trying to explain my "words" I think I pushed it when I said "hmmmm, guess I'm not invisible" because I sure got some replies. Usually I was ignored.
Sorry Mr,C Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Are you sure you were banned?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Well, 10, you and I are both "out of there" They could have at least let me send the post that I spent 4 minutes replying too. *sigh*
I was trying to explain my "words" I think I pushed it when I said "hmmmm, guess I'm not invisible" because I sure got some replies. Usually I was ignored.
Sorry Mr,C
There is a lot of pressure over there....and a lot of people who dont know each other and for obvious reasons are having trouble trusting one another. If you got banned im assuming someone got trigger happy after 10s post. I cant imagine what other reason there would be.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: I personally would like the person or people that made a lot of money off of this ( by pumping and dumping, not day traders) pay for this.
Source, you always make it sound like only one person did all this. Shouldn't the guilty pay? We may or may not ever know , who all the "bad" guys were, but I still believe that a person is innocent until proven guilty. If and when we know, I'll keep my condemnation to myself. IMO
I personally lay 90% of the blame on Dufus's shoulders . He's the one that was in charge . He's the one that told everyone to "buy the crap out of it" . He's the one that was late with the filings for the SEC . He's the one that didn't comply with the SEC before it was halted . He's the one that wanted this to go to court to begin with and he's the fu<king moron that didn't even show up with an attorney when it did go to court . He's the one that started that stupid azz board for all the cult members to console each other on and he's the one that still to this day is making up one exuse after another for who's to blame and why all these people lost a lot of money .
So ya , I guess I do blame him .I don't recall anyone else putting out bogus PR's , filing false docs with the SEC or going on SPR running their mouths .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: I personally would like the person or people that made a lot of money off of this ( by pumping and dumping, not day traders) pay for this.
Source, you always make it sound like only one person did all this. Shouldn't the guilty pay? We may or may not ever know , who all the "bad" guys were, but I still believe that a person is innocent until proven guilty. If and when we know, I'll keep my condemnation to myself. IMO
I personally lay 90% of the blame on Dufus's shoulders . He's the one that was in charge . He's the one that told everyone to "buy the crap out of it" . He's the one that was late with the filings for the SEC . He's the one that didn't comply with the SEC before it was halted . He's the one that wanted this to go to court to begin with and he's the fu<king moron that didn't even show up with an attorney when it did go to court . He's the one that started that stupid azz board for all the cult members to console each other on and he's the one that still to this day is making up one exuse after another for who's to blame and why all these people lost a lot of money .
So ya , I guess I do blame him .I don't recall anyone else putting out bogus PR's , filing false docs with the SEC or going on SPR running their mouths .
CEOTA turned out to be bunk so any LOI's Fronthaul may have PR'd regarding some sort of deal with CEOTA are also bunk. If you look back far enough you can find that LOI. Oh, and there was an interview with Mike Alexander and Gordon Brown (man behind CEOTA) that went on and on about the Log Deal...failing to mention the company was going bankrupt.
Back the bus up there and take another look....there are other people you may want to take a look at. Posted by T e x on :
no doubt...
ALL the principals are accountable: Alexander et al hooked up with Corey, and Harris et al took the baton.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Does the name Tut ring a bell?
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: I personally would like the person or people that made a lot of money off of this ( by pumping and dumping, not day traders) pay for this.
Source, you always make it sound like only one person did all this. Shouldn't the guilty pay? We may or may not ever know , who all the "bad" guys were, but I still believe that a person is innocent until proven guilty. If and when we know, I'll keep my condemnation to myself. IMO
I personally lay 90% of the blame on Dufus's shoulders . He's the one that was in charge . He's the one that told everyone to "buy the crap out of it" . He's the one that was late with the filings for the SEC . He's the one that didn't comply with the SEC before it was halted . He's the one that wanted this to go to court to begin with and he's the fu<king moron that didn't even show up with an attorney when it did go to court . He's the one that started that stupid azz board for all the cult members to console each other on and he's the one that still to this day is making up one exuse after another for who's to blame and why all these people lost a lot of money .
So ya , I guess I do blame him .I don't recall anyone else putting out bogus PR's , filing false docs with the SEC or going on SPR running their mouths .
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Does the name Tut ring a bell?
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: I personally would like the person or people that made a lot of money off of this ( by pumping and dumping, not day traders) pay for this.
Source, you always make it sound like only one person did all this. Shouldn't the guilty pay? We may or may not ever know , who all the "bad" guys were, but I still believe that a person is innocent until proven guilty. If and when we know, I'll keep my condemnation to myself. IMO
I personally lay 90% of the blame on Dufus's shoulders . He's the one that was in charge . He's the one that told everyone to "buy the crap out of it" . He's the one that was late with the filings for the SEC . He's the one that didn't comply with the SEC before it was halted . He's the one that wanted this to go to court to begin with and he's the fu<king moron that didn't even show up with an attorney when it did go to court . He's the one that started that stupid azz board for all the cult members to console each other on and he's the one that still to this day is making up one exuse after another for who's to blame and why all these people lost a lot of money .
So ya , I guess I do blame him .I don't recall anyone else putting out bogus PR's , filing false docs with the SEC or going on SPR running their mouths .
Oh yea....and Arlitt too. I have no idea what "exactly" he did wrong but im pretty sure he had to have broken SOME law.
Posted by a surfer on :
LOL good ol TUT....
Jeez can't believe I got snowed by a guy named TUT let alone Rufus.
For some strange reason I think TUT really believed what he was saying.
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
Surfer, LOL, you don't really believe that TUT was serious do you? I know you didn't get that snowed.
Just having fun.Please don't take this as a slam, It's not.
Posted by 10of13 on :
No Stock momma...it wasn't your post...just "RPH's little games"...and yes I am banned from RPH's site...I don't know how that would get you banned...but if you were trying to "stick up for me"...I wish you wouldn't have...it doesn't matter...I feel better after posting that and as I said before...if that long winded post made just one poster snap out of their trance? I'm glad...
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
10, You have a p.m. my dear.
Posted by glassman on :
10 you got banned? sheesh. they must be nazi's over there...
Posted by Igor R on :
Has RPH posted since the new court thing came out?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Haha..thanks glass...I don't know what was said after I posted...but a get a very polite message when I go to the site... "sorry you are banned from this site" Go figure...
quote:Originally posted by glassman: 10 you got banned? sheesh. they must be nazi's over there...
Igor..heposted some smiley faces and said very little...
Posted by thesource on :
I don't really hold much against TUT other than he's full of crap . The damage was done way before he became CEO and up until then , he was just a pumper and a damn stupid sounding one at that . I never bought into his crap , infact that should have been good enough reason to get out of the stock itself .
Hind site is 20/20 but I am definately a much smarter trader from the crap .
Posted by glassman on :
btw? on the NSing issue? did you guys see this?
October 26, 2007, 2:17 pm Federal Judge Tells SEC Lawyer “Sit Down, Shut Up” Posted by Peter Lattman
northcarolinaJudge Graham Mullen on Wednesday dismissed part of an SEC civil lawsuit alleging that a former executive at Friedman Billings Ramsey engaged in illegal conduct related to a securities offering. The claim alleged that John Mangan Jr. committed a so-called Section 5 violation involving a Pipe, or private investment in public equity. Representing Mangan: George Covington of King & Spalding in Charlotte and James Wyatt at Wyatt & Blake. Said Wyatt to the Observer: “We firmly believe (the case) will be resolved in his favor because we believe he has done absolutely nothing wrong.”
While the case is interesting — especially for those of you obsessed with the controversy surrounding Pipes and naked short selling — what’s interesting to us is this excerpt from the transcript of Wednesday’s oral argument on Mangan’s motion to dismiss.
Judge Mullen: Naked shorts are not legal, are they?
SEC lawyer Amy Greer: No. No, they’re just very risky, Your Honor.
SEC lawyer Catherine Pappas: And Your Honor –
Judge Mullen: They’re not illegal; they’re just risky.
Greer: Correct. Naked short sales are not illegal; they’re just risky, Your Honor.
Judge Mullen: Why in the world don’t you all make them illegal? Don’t you understand what happens in the market when you allow naked short selling to attack companies? I mean, do you understand that?
Greer: Your Honor, I think that that’s an issue for the United States Congress. I appreciate your concern –
Judge Mullen: Well –
Greer: — and I –
Judge Mullen: — the answer to my question is, yeah, I understand it or, no, I don’t.
Greer: I do understand your –
Judge Mullen: Do not try — okay.
Greer: I do understand, Your Honor.
Judge Mullen: Thank you for understanding it.
Covington: Your Honor, one thing –
Judge Mullen: Excuse the interruption.
Covington: No, sir.
Judge Mullen: Sit down, shut up, let the man talk. I’m not going to let him introduce (sic) you. Last warning.
Pappas: I’m sorry?
Judge Mullen: Sit down –
Pappas: Yeah, I got that.
Judge Mullen: — shut up, let the man talk. Last warning.
Pappas: Okay.
Judge Mullen: Understood?
Pappas: Okay.
Judge Mullen: Excellent.
Covington: With all due respect, Your Honor –
Judge: And you don’t interrupt her when she’s talking.
IMO? it's not something Congress should have to address.... there are laws against counterfeiting... it seems to me the laws just need to be interpreted properly...
Posted by thesource on :
Its just like gun laws and gun control . The laws are there , they need to be enforced instead of just making more and more laws .
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: btw? on the NSing issue? did you guys see this?
October 26, 2007, 2:17 pm Federal Judge Tells SEC Lawyer “Sit Down, Shut Up” Posted by Peter Lattman
northcarolinaJudge Graham Mullen on Wednesday dismissed part of an SEC civil lawsuit alleging that a former executive at Friedman Billings Ramsey engaged in illegal conduct related to a securities offering. The claim alleged that John Mangan Jr. committed a so-called Section 5 violation involving a Pipe, or private investment in public equity. Representing Mangan: George Covington of King & Spalding in Charlotte and James Wyatt at Wyatt & Blake. Said Wyatt to the Observer: “We firmly believe (the case) will be resolved in his favor because we believe he has done absolutely nothing wrong.”
While the case is interesting — especially for those of you obsessed with the controversy surrounding Pipes and naked short selling — what’s interesting to us is this excerpt from the transcript of Wednesday’s oral argument on Mangan’s motion to dismiss.
Judge Mullen: Naked shorts are not legal, are they?
SEC lawyer Amy Greer: No. No, they’re just very risky, Your Honor.
SEC lawyer Catherine Pappas: And Your Honor –
Judge Mullen: They’re not illegal; they’re just risky.
Greer: Correct. Naked short sales are not illegal; they’re just risky, Your Honor.
Judge Mullen: Why in the world don’t you all make them illegal? Don’t you understand what happens in the market when you allow naked short selling to attack companies? I mean, do you understand that?
Greer: Your Honor, I think that that’s an issue for the United States Congress. I appreciate your concern –
Judge Mullen: Well –
Greer: — and I –
Judge Mullen: — the answer to my question is, yeah, I understand it or, no, I don’t.
Greer: I do understand your –
Judge Mullen: Do not try — okay.
Greer: I do understand, Your Honor.
Judge Mullen: Thank you for understanding it.
Covington: Your Honor, one thing –
Judge Mullen: Excuse the interruption.
Covington: No, sir.
Judge Mullen: Sit down, shut up, let the man talk. I’m not going to let him introduce (sic) you. Last warning.
Pappas: I’m sorry?
Judge Mullen: Sit down –
Pappas: Yeah, I got that.
Judge Mullen: — shut up, let the man talk. Last warning.
Pappas: Okay.
Judge Mullen: Understood?
Pappas: Okay.
Judge Mullen: Excellent.
Covington: With all due respect, Your Honor –
Judge: And you don’t interrupt her when she’s talking.
IMO? it's not something Congress should have to address.... there are laws against counterfeiting... it seems to me the laws just need to be interpreted properly...
everybody should be sure to read the comments there, you know? below the post...
Except is safe to ignore that one guy...the whiner about his law degree, not enough dough...
WHATever Posted by glassman on :
loyola whiner? LOL..
i beleive the judge is correct to tell people to STFU... it's his/her courtroom.. that PC crap about being polite is more whining...
the court of law is supposed 2b adversarial, and the judge is the referee...
the referees on the feild throw the flag too... and now thank God, they do instant replay too.. Posted by Ocqueoc on :
LOL I love that!! Sit down, shut up
LOL , just love that!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: loyola whiner? LOL..
i beleive the judge is correct to tell people to STFU... it's his/her courtroom.. that PC crap about being polite is more whining...
the court of law is supposed 2b adversarial, and the judge is the referee...
the referees on the feild throw the flag too... and now thank God, they do instant replay too..
ya... that guy...
jeez "the point" is the market...somehow he wants it to be about his " " " salary " " "
I would take a piece of a break, here Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: Surfer, LOL, you don't really believe that TUT was serious do you? I know you didn't get that snowed.
Just having fun.Please don't take this as a slam, It's not.
LOL ... No momma, I was already in neck deep before he was in the picture.
The lessons I learned in CSHD will carry me through a lifetime of investing.
Thats the way I prefer to look at it.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: No Stock momma...it wasn't your post...just "RPH's little games"...and yes I am banned from RPH's site...I don't know how that would get you banned...but if you were trying to "stick up for me"...I wish you wouldn't have...it doesn't matter...I feel better after posting that and as I said before...if that long winded post made just one poster snap out of their trance? I'm glad...
Not to worry all good who decide to ask pertinent questions instead of joining the love feast get banned.
I got banned months ago for having the audacity to ask what happened to the proxy that was promised way back in Feb.
All it takes to get banned is to have a mind and ask or state legitimate concerns.
10 I think your post was completely on point and therefore since it could not be refuted culminated in your banning. Welcome to the club.
It's amazing how anyone could think that yesterday's ruling was part of the plan or a good thing for shareholders. Wait I take that back, the only good thing will be the end to the circus and playing on the emotions of those that refuse to see the writing on the wall.
I feel bad for all that were deceived and lost more than they could afford to lose. But I fell worse for the people that were fed lie after lie to boost their loyality.
Maybe Rufus isn't the main crook but he is responsible for failing to come through on any promise he made. Starting before the SEC action and all the way through to yesterday.
At one time a lawyer was promised but never happened. Then the Proxy, then the RICO windfall and the share swap and on and on.
Though Rufus may not have gained, which is still to be determined, he did give many false hope and promised things that he could not deliver.
The good that came from this on a personal level was the many individuals that I met due to FHAL/CSHD. From Tex and Glass to 10 of 13, Bilgert, Betting Babe, A surfer, Pcola and so many more. People that I know were not involved in any pump and dump, never stooped to insulting others and were always working to help others make money in this crazy market.
All those that I have had the pleasure of interacting with, and if I didn't mention you please don't fell slighted, since it would take thread upon thread to list every one, is what I will always take with me. I will shake the negative off and leave it where it belongs, on file for future reference when a similar play happens and remember the earnest people who spent hour upon hour finding DD and deciphering what could be gleaned from that DD. These were selfless acts of teamwork that I will always treasure.
Thank You One and All
Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Hey Wally! You posted: "The good that came from this on a personal level was the many individuals that I met due to FHAL/CSHD..."
And from my prior long winded rant:
"For those of you that have lost and those that have suffered...take comfort in knowing that you have been rewarded in other ways..."
"other ways"...the people that we have "met" and corresponded with...the large amount of "DDing" skills that have been perfected...and the many other lessons...the reward may not have been complete financial freedom...but it has been a "lucrative" experience for myself and many others!
When you have lemons..make Kool-aid I mean...lemonade! Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Ocqueoc: I personally would like the person or people that made a lot of money off of this ( by pumping and dumping, not day traders) pay for this.
Source, you always make it sound like only one person did all this. Shouldn't the guilty pay? We may or may not ever know , who all the "bad" guys were, but I still believe that a person is innocent until proven guilty. If and when we know, I'll keep my condemnation to myself. IMO
I personally lay 90% of the blame on Dufus's shoulders . He's the one that was in charge . He's the one that told everyone to "buy the crap out of it" . He's the one that was late with the filings for the SEC . He's the one that didn't comply with the SEC before it was halted . He's the one that wanted this to go to court to begin with and he's the fu<king moron that didn't even show up with an attorney when it did go to court . He's the one that started that stupid azz board for all the cult members to console each other on and he's the one that still to this day is making up one exuse after another for who's to blame and why all these people lost a lot of money .
So ya , I guess I do blame him .I don't recall anyone else putting out bogus PR's , filing false docs with the SEC or going on SPR running their mouths .
Dude, you are the biggest ****ing moron i see posting here..you have no clue...just watch.
Posted by T e x on :
Dude...
the stock or the company. No blasting fellow posters...
Posted by thesource on :
stocktrader just has sand in his mangina ....... I'd don't pay much attention to that retard .
Posted by T e x on :
you either, lol
let's play together nicely Posted by Jenna on :
My friends, I come to you with a heavy heart......I just received some aweful news & hope that you can give one last prayer...........
I just recieved news that our little cousin Dante lost his battle against cancer this morning.....
Please pray that his parents can find peace....
DANTE WE LOVE YOU STILL BUDDY...........ALWAYS......
Posted by 66inxs on :
Jenna please accept our prayers for you and your family in your time of loss. Have faith that God still has a purpose for Dante.try to find peace in the fact that Dante has found peace and freedom from pain. only God can love him more than you do.
Posted by Jenna on :
Thank you.
Posted by T e x on :
box is full, Jen
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: My friends, I come to you with a heavy heart......I just received some aweful news & hope that you can give one last prayer...........
I just recieved news that our little cousin Dante lost his battle against cancer this morning.....
Please pray that his parents can find peace....
DANTE WE LOVE YOU STILL BUDDY...........ALWAYS......
I wanted to post this to you in a PM but your Mail box is full and will probably stay that way do here goes.
I'm very sorry to hear this news. I was pulling for Dante.
Believe that I do understand the loss and the devastating effect it can have. There is no making sense of it just accepting what has happened as difficult as that may be.
I wish you and your entire family the best. I hope that you all can find a way to get past this tragic event.
My heart goes out to you.
Sincerely Wally
Posted by Jo4321 on :
So sorry to hear about Dante's passing. Just looking at the picture of that precious child makes my heart ache for his parents and all who loved him.
Jo
Posted by Jenna on :
Thank you guys...You are truely a special bunch....
& thanks for letting me know my mailbox was full....I cleaned it but just a little....
God Bless you all....
Posted by thesource on :
Very sad to hear . My god rest his soul and give atleast a little peace to his family . I hope I never out live my children .
Posted by milliam on :
Very sorry to hear this Jenna. I will continue to pray for his family and ask God to give them his strenght and love to make it through this incredibly tought time.
Posted by NEL on :
Jenna – Soory for your loss. May he sleep in peace.
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Hi friends!!!
FILED IN CLERKS OFFICE U.&D.C . Atlanta W0 0 7 2047 JAMES N . 7 EN• L K IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA ATLANTA DIVISION 1 ;06-CV-2565-CC Defendants . SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION, Plaintiff, V. CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDING CORPORATION and RUFUS PAUL HARRIS a/k/a PAUL RUFUS HARRIS, Civil Action No . MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION/REHEARING OF THE OCTOBER 3D''H ORDER ENTERED BY THIS COURT COMES NOW the Defendant, RUFUS PAUL HARRIS, a/k/a PAUL RUFUS• HARRIS and Moves this Court to reconsider the findings of fact and vacate the Order entered based on those erroneous findings an/or conclusions in this cause based upon this Defendant being denied due process of law and hindered in answering Plaintiff's Complaint by other unethical practices and in support thereof states : This Motion is based on the Court's denial of this Defendant's Motion to set aside the default entered by the Clerk in this action . This Order was entered by this Court without the benefit of a h earin g on this Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 20 Filed 11/07/2007 Page 1 of 9 matter to hear the Defendant's argument on this matter . 1 . That after service of process upon this Defendant, the said Defendant did not have funds available for the substantial retainer to employ an attorney versed in Securities Law. 2. This Defendant was s ubjected to a n unauthorized and illegal change of officers and directors of Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation and was unable to have access to all records necessary to formulate a proper defense and Counterclaim to the Plaintiff's Complaint. 3. During the time that this Defendant was deprived access to records to defend this action, the Securities and Exchange Commission seized the records from those individuals who had control of said records and once again, this Defendant had no access to said records to prepare his answer to Plaintiff's Complaint. 4. This Defendant entered into talks with the Plaintiff, cooperated in every way and was given a false sense that the Plaintiff would subpoena the documents necessary for the Defendant to defend this action but the Plaintiff did not acquire these documents or if they did, they did not Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 20 Filed 11/07/2007 Page 2 of 9 share them with the Defendant as promised, causing a default to be entered against the Defendant while the above referenced talks were ongoing, depriving this Defendant of due process of law . 5. The conduct of the Plaintiff and its attorneys has violated the sta ndards of professional conduct for members of the Georgia Bar as well as Federal ethics standards by withholding information from this Defendant while defaulting him and continuing talks after the default was entered . 6. This Defendant finally realized that the Plaintiff was never going to supply him with the promised information he needed to file an appropriate answer and th erefore the Defendant filed his answer, late as it was, without the needed information to file a proper answer and the Plaintiff moved to strike said answer . 7. The Plaintiff does not have clean hands in dealing with this Defendant, has committed a breach of e thics and has had a severe conflict of interest by withholding exculpatory evidence and records from the Defendant, thus denying the Defenda nt Due Process in this action. Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 20 Filed 11/07/2007 Page 3 of 9 C} The phone recordings and messages of the Home Office were unavailable to defendant after the illegal hostile takeover to provide as evidence . 8. The failure to file a timely answer by this Defendant is due to excusable neglect which was caused by the unethical actions of the Plaintiff and its Attorneys . 9. Defendant is in the process of drafting a complaint to be fi led with the Georgia Bar Association to investigate the ethics of the Plaintiff's attorney's in dealing with this Defendant. lO.Other events that occurred to prevent this Defendant from filing a timely answer, defenses and counterclaim to Plaintiffs Complaint are as follows : A) The Email account holding the majority of the evidence was illegally seized by James Gee and never remitted to Defendant. B) After strenuous evidence gather process by Conversion Executives of the 1000 Plus illegal shareholders names and the firms that sold them their shares, The Names of the illegal shareholders were illegally seized by James Gee, Justin Frazier and John Arlitt to prevent the production of said evidence to the court. Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 20 Filed 11/07/2007 Page 4 of 9 WHEREFORE, THE Defendant, RUFUS PAUL HARRIS, a/k/a PAUL RUFUS HARRIS, MOVES THIS Court to reconsider and vacate the Order that was entered by this Court on October 301b 2007 for the foregoing reasons and allow this Defendant to properly-answer Plaintiff's Complaint. e ~...a Rufus 1 Harris alk/a Paul Ru u s Harris P.O. Box 18 Adairsville, Georgia 30103 Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 20 Filed 11/07/2007 Page 5 of 9 BEFORE ME, the undersigned authority, personally appeared RUFUS PAUL HARRIS a/k/a PAUL RUFUS HARRIS, who, after first being duly sworn by me according to law, states that the foregoing facts set forth in the above Motion For Reconsideration/Rehearing are true and correct to the best of his knowledge and belief. NOTARY PUBLIC 0114 F . At L, STATE N ~ OF TENNESSEE NOTARY ~ PUBLIC ~ 10 .01 ~lllV v" ~ My Commission Expires : I ~ (-Z,t ,c0 I, RUFUS PAUL HARRIS a/k/a PAUL RUFUS HARRIS, after being duly sworn according to law , do state and affirm, under penalty of perjury, that the facts set forth in the foregoing Motion for Reconsideration/Rehearing are true and correct to my best knowledge and belief . d Rufus null Harris aIk/a Paul Rufus Harris STATEOF County of ~ r~ s Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 20 Filed 11/07/2007 Page 6 of 9 Office of the Attorney General State of Georgia 40 Capitol Square, SW Atlanta, Ga 30334 I HEREBY CERTIFY that a true and correct copy of the foregoing Motion for Reconsideration/Rehearing has been furnished t o William P Hicks, Debbie T. Hampton and Alana R Black, Attorney's for Plaintiff, 34 75 Lenox Road, NE, Suite 1000, Atlanta, GA 30326-1232 by U .S. Mail this 5th day of November, 2008. ~. ~ ~., Rufus aul Harris a/k/a Paul Rufus Harris Copied to the following ; United States Attorney General U.S. Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20530-0001 Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 20 Filed 11/07/2007 Page 7 of 9 IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA ATLANTA DIVISION Civil Action No. 1 :06-CV-2568-CC Defendants. Plaintiff or its Attorneys or unknown third parties and cannot be retrieved in SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION, Plaintiff, V. CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDING CORPORATION and RUFUS PAUL HARRIS a/k/a PAUL RUFUS HARRIS, MOTION FOR ENLARGEMENT OF TIME TO FILE SUPPLEMENTAL AFFIDAVITS COMES NOW the Defendant, RUFUS PAUL HARRIS, a/k/a PAUL RUFUS HARRIS, and moves this Court to extend the time period for filing affidavits and submitting documentation supporting this Motionfor an additional 60 days, until January 2nd , 2008. The grounds for this Motion are that the time period set forth in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure is insufficient to find witnesses to execute affidavits or to find and submit other documents and/or evidence supporting this Defendants Motion . The needed documents to support this Motion are in the possession of the Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 20 Filed 11/07/2007 Page 8 of 9 Paul Rufus Harris a 10 day period from the entry of this Courts Order entered on October 30, 2007. WHEREFORE, THE Defendant, RUFUS PAUL HARRIS, a/k/a PAUL RUFUS HARRIS, moves this Court for an enlargement of time, until January 2, 2008, to file supplemental affidavits, documents and/or other evidence to support the Defendant's Motion for Reconsideration/Rehearing heretofore filed in this cause I HEREBY CERTIFY that a true and correct copy of the foregoing Motion for Enlargement of Time has been furnished to William P Hicks, Debbie T. Hampton and Alana R Black, Attorney's for Plaintiff, 3475 Lenox Road, NE, Suite 1000, Atlanta, GA 30326-1232 by U.S. Mail this 5th day of November, 2008. f~ Rufus ul Harris a/k/a Case 1:06-cv-02568-CC Document 20 Filed 11/07/2007 Page 9 of 9
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