Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 202 I am working on the update. When it is ready I will direct you as to where it will be located. I WILL HAVE IT OUT TONIGHT
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Originally Posted by dogman I will first start off and tell you that if you meant this is a good way then disregard what I am about to say and except my apology.
If you have a problem with the way that I am running the committee then maybe you should have stepped up and started the committee yourself. I have work more hours of my personal time on this than most work in a week. It has come to some expense to my family time which i hold very dear since i have small children. As for you second point it has nothing to do with my "friends". I have never knew any of these people prior to June of this year. The word you used "friend" should be replaced with trusted, inteligent people. As a chairman, president or any other leader can tell you, you can never make everyone happy all the time. This is not about me or my "friends" having a personal agenda it is about the shareholders of CSHD.
James G Chairman of the shareholder committee
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Originally Posted by dogman I am working on the update. When it is ready I will direct you as to where it will be located. I WILL HAVE IT OUT TONIGHT
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quote:Originally posted by 3403: You can record anything, I mean anything. A scrap pad paper can be recorded. Recorded paper does not prove it is legit.
But it is illegal to record that which is known to be false.
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quote:Originally posted by portman: Today, 12:19 AM #7237 dogman HSM Regular
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 202 I am working on the update. When it is ready I will direct you as to where it will be located. I WILL HAVE IT OUT TONIGHT
cool, you guys are suppose to get a pretty good meteor shower on the east coast tonight..
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quote:Originally posted by driver4t4: none the less, we are trading at .22 cents a share....uhmmmm something is not right..
And thats what really matters to us share holders !!!
The perfect analogy was a pendulum on a clock swinging . If we don't get some good news soon , this stock will find a trading level and basically dry up . I have a feeling it will be in the .08-.12 PPS area and thats just not acceptble from this company or Dufus . I will continue to wait just incase by some small chance Dufus does find the smoking gun and we are off to the races . At this point though , I think I'd have a better chance with winning the lottery .
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quote:Originally posted by driver4t4: none the less, we are trading at .22 cents a share....uhmmmm something is not right..
And thats what really matters to us share holders !!!
The perfect analogy was a pendulum on a clock swinging . If we don't get some good news soon , this stock will find a trading level and basically dry up . I have a felling it will be in the .08-.12 PPS area and thats just not acceptble from this company or Dufus . I will continue to wait just incase by some small chance Dufus does find the smoking gun and we are off to the races . At this point though , I think I'd have a better chance with winning the lottery .
yup i think everyone isn't seeing that regardless of how real this is or may be, the only thing that matters to us shareholders is PPS and we keep dropping each week and have already lost most of our investment.
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quote:Originally posted by 3403: You can record anything, I mean anything. A scrap pad paper can be recorded. Recorded paper does not prove it is legit.
But it is illegal to record that which is known to be false.
only if you're caught
-------------------- If you repeat a lie often enough it is perceived as truth Posts: 478 | From: Florida | Registered: Oct 2006
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quote:Originally posted by 3403: You can record anything, I mean anything. A scrap pad paper can be recorded. Recorded paper does not prove it is legit.
But it is illegal to record that which is known to be false.
And all the other things Dufus has done so far are legal ? According to the SEC , they are not .
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let's just hope there is a quick swift plan to pull us out of this, cant wait to read the minutes on this private meeting, but if the plan is to go to washington and camp out on the whitehouse lawn, i am not going, i support this company, but we need to see his "smoking gun"..
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Well I'm going to bed ........ I'll see what ol' dog has to say in the morning I guess . I'm sure it will be vague and leave plenty of questions unanswered like the usual info from Dufus.
Whats got me is how Dufus is so quick to name drop about others associated with CSHD but has yet done so with his attorney's name ....... kind of weird huh ?
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quote:Originally posted by frank021474: wow 3403- I must have missed who called you out for what.
just saying if you own something as we all do proving it is easy. Why can't Rufus...
Not really the issue anymore.....been there....
gosh, I must have missed a *HUGE* step...
why isn't the ownership an issue?
IMO. ownership is the only issue. If the company owns the bonds, the SEC action is mute. The company will proceed with their plan.
However, IMO, the sticking issue is that Rufus put out Pr's that claimed complete ownership, whereas anyone who has read the past 8k's would realized that CSHD owes half the money hypothacated plus half the investments of the other 50%. CSHD may indeed have the bonds and the ability to hypothacate them but can't claim the entire sum as assests. I think this is the actual hang up. read the global funding agreements. It's still sweet for both CSHD and whoever turns the bonds over but technically it's not as stated.
How will this play out? I don't know, my crystal ball and it's back up were both shattered.
GLTA Wally
Wally,
hold on...
responding to another, preceding post, as excerpted:
"on the bonds filed with the court . . . ."
what does *that* refer to? Which bonds were filed with what court?
*** Wally, I think we may be in the same chapter, if not on the same page...
as you say, the "only issue." For sure, it's no "been there, done that," imo.
I also have other logical problems:
1) money/dough/income/geedus/profit/cash flow
a) If RPH has profited by the selling of his/company shares into pps rises (ie: "it's a scam), then he should have plenty of dough, yes?
b) If RPH has made the salary as filed, he should have plenty that way, yes?
c) If the company drew the interest claimed...
etc... see my point?
2) Don't officers/BOD members have "fiduciary duties" ? If so...
a) why the attorney delay?
b) why not "prove up" on the bonds?
c) after all, the initial PRs were *not* about taking on the SEC, proving NSS, etc... the biz model was logs, then 368-provision & reset, then bonds... in other words, even taking him at his best, weren't shareholders kinda drug along for the ride?
I may not have this well articulated, but trust you catch my overall message.
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Update on the purpose of the meeting from a post on HSM by Dogman
quote:This meeting was about what he wants the shareholders committee to do. You will understand exactly what I am talking about. Just wanted to let everyone know I am going to update. I totally understand everyone wanting to be apart of the conference call but if 1000 people showed up it would have been impossible to get anything accomplished. It wasnt a questions and answer meeting it was mainly Rufus explaining the very important role that the Committee will play in the very near future.
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let me get this straight, james and rufus are going to shoot the sh*t, talk about our company and thats it.... oh okay, all is good, this is golden.
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quote:Originally posted by driver4t4: let me get this straight, james and rufus are going to shoot the sh*t, talk about our company and thats it.... oh okay, all is good, this is golden.
wrong paste sorry.......
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quote:Originally posted by frank021474: wow 3403- I must have missed who called you out for what.
just saying if you own something as we all do proving it is easy. Why can't Rufus...
Not really the issue anymore.....been there....
gosh, I must have missed a *HUGE* step...
why isn't the ownership an issue?
A guy on HSM posted some of the documents from the georgia court website the other night thats been there all along, and then had to delete it, but if you check out those documents you will see it real. One letter for the $500 million dollar bond from Venezuela was sent by the central bank stating that they are giving Rufus a $500 million bond and explicity said that CSHD has "full ownership". I believe the bonds to be real, I blame Rufus for calling people out and bringing this to the ground
So has anyone actually *called" the Official Whomever with the State of Georgia and asked them, "What does it prove to have such-n-such documents posted there?" ie, does that prove "ownership" or does that prove the documents were filed?
It wouldn't even matter if you called . All they did was file paper work that Dufus requested filed with them . It doesn't prove a damn thing to them or anyone else for that matter . Infact , the paper work was suppose to be filed in Delaware not Georgia anyways .
I could go down to the court house here in San Antonio and file anything I want . It doesn't make it true .
lol...
you're not following my question...
Nothing against you, but I don't care about *your* opinion, per se...as far as this question goes. (As a board member? I love you...smooch, smooch, lol)
What I'm saying is, call/write/contact the Georgia officials and get the "official take" on what it means to have something filed.
quote:Nothing against you, but I don't care about *your* opinion, per se...as far as this question goes. (As a board member? I love you...smooch, smooch, lol)
OK, frenchy...time to calm down....lol
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hahaha lol tex, thats funny, you are correct, I will call first thing on monday, I paid for the site to see the bonds, they read like cshd has full ownership, but yes I have too much invested to let that big of a detail go w/o checking.
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Wally, I think we may be in the same chapter, if not on the same page...
as you say, the "only issue." For sure, it's no "been there, done that," imo.
I also have other logical problems:
1) money/dough/income/geedus/profit/cash flow
a) If RPH has profited by the selling of his/company shares into pps rises (ie: "it's a scam), then he should have plenty of dough, yes?
b) If RPH has made the salary as filed, he should have plenty that way, yes?
c) If the company drew the interest claimed...
etc... see my point?
2) Don't officers/BOD members have "fiduciary duties" ? If so...
a) why the attorney delay?
b) why not "prove up" on the bonds?
c) after all, the initial PRs were *not* about taking on the SEC, proving NSS, etc... the biz model was logs, then 368-provision & reset, then bonds... in other words, even taking him at his best, weren't shareholders kinda drug along for the ride?
I may not have this well articulated, but trust you catch my overall message.
Above posted by TEX, trying to conserve som space here.
Yes we are on the same page. Where I think the difficulty comes is not so much in proving that the bonds are real as in the fact that CSHD in actuality only owns 50% of them upon hypthocation.
And yes, I signed on because of the bonds and not to fight the SEC or naked Shorters
Wally
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quote:Originally posted by driver4t4: hahaha lol tex, thats funny, you are correct, I will call first thing on monday, I paid for the site to see the bonds, they read like cshd has full ownership, but yes I have too much invested to let that big of a detail go w/o checking.
ooops...sorry, driver--preceding was for Portie...
yes, absolutely, find out what you're paying for...
quote:Originally posted by portman: Naaa I just thought you were funny Tex...so I had to raz you a bit...lol
reminds me...
Boston schoolmarm/professor flies into Texas for some convention, English or erudition or dictionary editing...sumpin like that--I forget.
Anyway, she's here in Fort Worth and from her hotel she hooks up with a young taxi driver, who winds up hauling her prim n proper azz around all evening. "I can take you here, I can take there," he says, "great museums, local history, restuarants" etc, etc.
Finally, at the end of the evening, near midnight, she's determined to exit the taxi and go up to her room. No more fun.
But as she leaves, she asks, "You know, one thing I didn't ask about, should I ever return, suppose I had wanted scrod...? "
"Ma'am" he says, "I'm not really a profesional taxi driver...I'm an English undergrad at TCU, headed for the Baptist Seminary...so I really don't know about those kind of places...
"BUT, gaw-lee...you really got command of the pluperfect subjunctive!"
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why should the shareholders' committee be the backbone of the company? they're not the employees.. shouldn't the company be getting contracts and do business? can't have a good pps w/o income.. but then what do i know.. that update doesn't really tell me anything except wait for PRs
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I suspect when many read the output of the Shareholders Committee meeting they will be disappointed. But think about it...the same people that were screaming that the meeting should have been an open forum will now complain there was not enough substance. Having open discussions on the 6:1, the court case, etc. without a governance structure in place would have been inappropriate. I am pleased the company is proceeding in an orderly way here and working to maximize our chance at success. While screaming about what would have, could have or should have been done might feel good I fail to see where that will help us turn things. I rational set of people working with Rufus to take the careful, right, step by step approach to turning things around does appear to hold some promise. At least that is the signal that I take away. Thanks to Dogman for his efforts on our behalf.
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Eight hours to establish committees? Didn't even address any of the outstanding issues? Not one item off the letter Doc posted?
To me the issue wasn't that I couldn't be on the call. The issue was that there would be nothing, absolutely nothing, of substance coming from the mouth of Rufus. I wasn't disappointed. In the corporate world, the best way to get nothing done is to establish committees to look into matters.
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Hey Repo --OUCH!!!!!!!! If WV should have beaten Pitt by more than 18 points, WTF happened here. Another Big East championship and BCS bowl bid for the Mountaineers on Dec. 2
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Where is the report from the conference call? I didn't see anything on the shareholders web site other then an apology for not letting everyone on.
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