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40+ Hydrogen Fueling Stations in US (38inCA, 1inFL, 1in HI)
Were Too Dependent On Oil
Fuel cells run on hydrogen & oxygen. Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe, and one that exists everywhere on earth... meaning it is impossible for any one people or geographical region to monopolize it.
Virtually Zero Emissions (keep our air free of pollution)
Jeremy Metz, the energy team leader for Verizon. "It's clean, quiet and helps us become energy independent. We rely heavily on the power grid, and we wanted to look for alternatives."
Fuel Cells Give control to a company over its power supply instead of worrying about unstable infrastructure we have now.
No more California Energy Crisis. No More North East Black Outs!
Low Cost Fuel Cell Manufacturing Capability:
Ground Floor Investment:
Large Market Demand:
Global Warming (Need I Say More?)
Awareness is multiplying quickly
Government is funding the sector substantially
Democrats now have control of the house and senate!
The rising cost of oil, a more environmentally-conscious public, and fears that oil supplies will dry up within 50 years are forcing change.
Fuel cells are essentially electrochemical cells and operate following the same basic mechanism as everyday batteries. However, unlike batteries, where all of the chemicals used in the cell are contained and when the reaction is complete the battery is dead, fuel cells have a constant flow of fresh chemicals into the cell and so in theory have an unlimited life.
There is considerable progress being made, and governments and organizations are beginning to see the results from the huge amount of research they have supported into fuel cell technologies
Energy sources of the future will have to be cleaner and more efficient than current sources fuel cells fulfill these requirements.
A fuel cell operating at 60% efficiency would emit 35-60% less CO2 at the fossil fuel stage and 80% less from hydrogen. Along with the hydrogen fuel cells' high efficiency (from 40-70%), the possibility of utilizing both heat and electricity from them will make a significant contribution to reducing atmospheric emissions
Oil production has peaked and will begin to decline just as the demand for oil is exploding as developing countries, especially China and India, are modernizing and industrializing at an incredible, oil gobbling rate. The Chinese alone are swarming the planet in an oil buying frenzy!
In July of 2004, oil was $35.00 a barrel. Today, its near $65.00 a barrel. In 2003, gas was $1.38 a gallon - today it is $2.70 a gallon! $6.00 a gallon in Europe!
Seventy percent of the earth's remaining oil reserves are in the Middle East! Controlled bylets be frank--the most violent, hateful, and ignorant men on earth! Men who despise Western and Asian Civilization and pray for the death of all us infidels!
Fuel cells are environmentally perfect producing electricity via chemical reaction -- exhausting only heat and water so pure you can drink it from the tailpipe of a fuel cell car.
Fuel cells come in all different sizes, from micro fuel cells for portable electronics, to transportation fuel cell for vehicles, to small stationary fuel cells for homes, to gigantic stationary fuel cells for building complexes and regions.
The major car makers have billions invested in fuel cell vehicles. Honda has the most advanced fuel cell car on earth, due to hit the showrooms in 2008. GM and Hyundai both plan to sell fuel cell cars in 2009. Daimler Chrysler is road testing 100 fuel cell cars around the world. Fuel Cell buses are already on the road. Japan already tested a fuel cell train this July 2006 And this is the last fuel cell market that will develop!
The Prime Minister of Japan has a fuel cell in his official residence to symbolize the Japanese commitment to the Hydrogen Economy. This market will get serious in 2008.
There are over 4,000 large, stationary fuel cells providing auxiliary, and sometimes baseline power to Hospitals, Hotels, Universities, and building complexes around the world. This market, priced at $154 million in 2003, is predicted to be $11.4 billion by 2009
President Bush (a republican) dedicated $1.2 billion over five years for research.
The Hydrogen Economy officially began on April 24, 2003 with the opening of the world's first retail hydrogen filling station in Reykjavik, Iceland. Now--just like coal replaced wood, and oil replaced coal--hydrogen will now replace oil as the lifeblood of planet earth.
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Golf, thats funny. I have a list of 50 stocks in the sector. Some OTC Some Nasdaq, Some Amex. I can't post here because it's at ihub.
But some stocks I like are PLUG, FCEL, BLDP.
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BT, currently the most efficient and economic way to seperate hydrogen from oxygen is basically by extracting it from natural gas.....
Other methods using electrolysis, catalysts, etc. in most cases take more energy to produce the hydrogen then you get by using the hydrogen.
Being able to cheaply store hydrogen in a car is another story altogether.
This is the technology of the future, but not the near future. I'd wait until we start building nuclear power plants again.
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quote:Originally posted by RedRabbit: BT, currently the most efficient and economic way to seperate hydrogen from oxygen is basically by extracting it from natural gas.....
Other methods using electrolysis, catalysts, etc. in most cases take more energy to produce the hydrogen then you get by using the hydrogen.
Being able to cheaply store hydrogen in a car is another story altogether.
This is the technology of the future, but not the near future. I'd wait until we start building nuclear power plants again.
"BT, currently the most efficient and economic way to seperate hydrogen from oxygen is basically by extracting it from natural gas....."
That statement is not even close to accurate. It is an easy route to obtaining hydrogen, but nowhere near the most efficient or cheapest. Indeed, it is very very expensive and only feasable if you can accept the excessive cost.
I don't know where you get your notion that electrolitic separation of water into hydrogen and oxygen, but, as one who started research in that decades back, I suggest you do some actual research into the cost before you spread such blatenty false clames.
If we did not have over 100 years of developement of the refinement of petroleum and looked at it in the way you are hydrogen, we could easilly show that to refine petroleum into gasoline would be several thousands times the cost of producing the same amount of energy by electrolicly producing hydrogen from water.
Moreover, the storage of hydrogen in either immobile or mobile instalations is not a difficult or dangerous task......gasoline stored in a standard gas tank on your Ford or Chevy is far more dangerous and about the same cost.
Once, not that long ago, the prospect of producing power via nuclear methods was called a "pie in the sky" absurdity and something to be left for the "Buck Rogers' far away future" and the the idea of ever having a mobile nuclear power source was laughed out existance. Both are common place now, but only because the real enovators and developers ignorewd the call to fear and ignorance you support with this sort of claim.
As to the statements that
"The closest supply of hydrogen is the clouds of Jupiter."
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"Hydrogen is the fuel of the stupid."
There is no source of refined gasoline available on earth or anywhere nearby (or anywhere, so far as I am able to determine), thus if the lack of such a source makes "hydrogen (be) the fuel of the stupid", then gasoline must be the fuel of the utterly and hopelessly stupider.
The bare cost and ease of using a fuel under current techniques and knowledge are, at best, infinitesimal considerations in view of what we face with continued dependence on super polluting and ever scarcer mineral sources of energy. We are in a race with time to stave off the end of human existance.
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The most energy efficient way to use electrolytic seperation of water into hydrogen is using the new gen 4 nuclear power plants being designed and built overseas. I am both for hydrogen fuel and nuclear power plants. I just don't see it happening in the near future.
As for the storage of hydrogen in vehicles, do you propose storing it under huge amounts of pressure in a tank that is grossly thick, or to cool it to a liquid? Either way not easy things to overcome.
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And if God had meant man to fly he'd a given you wings!
You are about 20 years behind the curve. Or are yousimpley touting the same old tired techniques wh have used with gasoline for 100+ years because it is the limit of your knowledge.
There are much more efficient and less dangerous ways to store hydrogen than undewr pressure in otherwise empty tanks. (We don't, for example, even today, except in huge isolated tank farms used to supply other methods of storage, store acetelene in empty presurized metal vessels.)
HYDROGHEN ISN'T GASOLINE AND ATTEMPTING TO STRUCTURE ITS USE OR PRODUCTION IN THE WAYS WE HAVE WITH GASOLINE OR NATURAL GAS WON'T WORK.
Indeed, had we not already had almost all the facilities we use in the production, use, and transportation of natural gas and gasoline, we would see their use as prohibitively expensive and dangerous.
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if you have ever owned a boat? or taken a simple boaters safety course? you would know that gasoline is extremely explosive...
Warning - gasoline vapors can explode. Before starting engine operate blower for 4 minutes and check engine compartment bilge for gasoline vapors. Gas vapors contained in an enclosed space make a boat a potential bomb waiting to go off!
More recently Toyota has been exploring H2 in the solid state, and BMW prefers LH2. Neither expects full fuel cell vehicles to be ready in the next 10-20 years.
Although Honda is claiming to having their FCX Concept Car leasable in 2008, I have a hard time believing it will be affordable.
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i utilise pressurized gaseous and or liquified oxygen all the time for my work..
it's no problem...
it is simply a matter of setting up infrastructure...
i'm not going to get into another long-drawn-out political argument about the how we have been shafted by the current White House and their business buddies...
but? we have...
nuclear power is one answer for splitting water, but solar energy is viable also... the southwestern United States just sits there baking in the sun....
splitting water could be viewed simply as a stroage system for solar energy
i personally witnessed three fleets of very functional electric vehicles during a three year test... they performed extraordinarily well.. only to be destroyed... and they ran on batteries...
they also cut down on NOISE pollution...
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