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Really? Wonderful! A bunch of 20 year olds running the show? That should be splendid! All the more reason MY info was not sent...
Allstocks starting their own committee? Sorry but that's not a possiblity...YOU CAN'T have 2 flippin' shareholders committees...AND now lets' add IHUB and and the other 2 or so dozen message boards!
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: New2? Add Taxback to the list for the voting thing...and offering to help with the website...
Portman? Tanks? You guys reading? Tax...how about it?
Apparently they only want HSM members on the list for reps.....they said that allstocks should start their own committe....per phil aka sceptor
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I'm not sure what to think about this committee, or how to vote for someone we know nothing about, but I would like to chime in on the fact that if HSM thinks they will control the board by only voting for their members, they are sadly mistaken. Considering most of the DD done on that forum is copied and pasted from Allstocks, I would really like to see one of us contact dogman with our concerns. If we can compile a list of concerns we have I will forward them onto him and post his replies. We need to have a say in this committee because many of our members are apart of its formation, lets not let some copy and pasting ranters belittle us...
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FWIW thought this was interesting, maybe this could be the start of a new Hollywood, but hey i am new at this, so just a thought
DUBAI (AFP) - Slated to become the world's tallest skyscraper and symbol of a city given to grandiose projects, "Burj Dubai," or Dubai Tower, is rising in parallel with the profits of its promoter, Emaar Properties.
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With two stories added every week, Burj Dubai is taking shape as the centerpiece of a 20-billion-dollar venture featuring the construction of a new district, "Downtown Burj Dubai," that will house 30,000 apartments and the world's largest shopping mall.
Launched in early 2004, the construction of the tower by South Korea's Samsung should be completed at the end of 2008 and cost one billion dollars, according to Greg Sang, the Emaar official in charge of Burj Dubai.
Burj Dubai already has 79 stories, taking its height to more than 200 meters (656 feet). But even after having gone that far, Emaar is still not revealing the tower's final height.
"At the moment, we are not answering. We'll say it (will be) more than 700 meters (2,296 feet) and more than 160 stories ... The people who need to know, know," Sang, a 40-year-old New Zealander, told AFP.
The world's tallest inhabited building is "Taipei 101" in Taiwan, which is 508 meters (1,666 feet) tall.
"At the moment, we've got around 2,500 workers on the tower site alone. We expect that to peak about a year from now at over 5,000 ... And for the whole site ... at any point in time, when the whole Downtown Burj Dubai district is under construction, there will be 20,000 men working here," Sang said.
Some 2,500 of these laborers hired by one of many firms working for Emaar downed tools for two days earlier this year and demonstrated in protest at poor working conditions and delays in the payment of salaries.
The protests degenerated into riots during which equipment and cars were smashed.
According to Sang, the protesting laborers did not work on the tower site and construction was therefore not affected.
"We actually work very closely with the contractors and with the authorities to ensure conditions for the labor are adequate and good. So we were a little disappointed that they weren't completely satisfied," Sang said.
He said the average wages of the south Asian laborers, who work in summer in temperatures reaching 50 degrees Celsius (122 Fahrenheit), are "probably in the range of a couple of hundred US dollars a month" for a shift of "eight to 10 hours" a day, six days a week.
"They can get overtime if they like," Sang said.
But he stressed that it is the contractor, not Emaar, "who employs the workers, and it's his responsibility to provide them with accommodation and pay the salaries on time."
Emaar, which is listed on the Dubai stock exchange and boasts of being the world's largest property company by capital, is setting great store by this flagship project.
The figures bear out its confidence. Emaar, in which the Dubai government has a 32.5 percent stake, is seeing its profits climb.
The real estate giant posted record net profits of 437 million dollars in the third quarter of this year, a 39 percent increase on the same period in 2005. It posted a 21 percent hike in profits in the first half of 2006 compared to the first six months of last year.
Business cirles attribute the steady rise in profits to the sustained sales of apartments in Downtown Burj Dubai, a trend helped by a law allowing foreigners to become freehold property owners in certain areas of the Gulf city state which went into force this year.
"Certain buildings take on iconic status, like the Eiffel Tower and the Empire State Building, instantly recognizable and instantly associated with the city that they are placed in," Sang said.
"I hope the same happens with the Burj Dubai. It's definitely going to be very unique," he said.
But Sang admitted that he did not expect Burj Dubai to remain the tallest building in the world forever.
For it will face competition in Dubai itself, where the city's other property development major, Nakheel, has announced it will launch the construction of "Al-Burj" or "The Tower" -- whose projected height also remains a closely guarded secret.
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quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: I'm not sure what to think about this committee, or how to vote for someone we know nothing about, but I would like to chime in on the fact that if HSM thinks they will control the board by only voting for their members, they are sadly mistaken. Considering most of the DD done on that forum is copied and pasted from Allstocks, I would really like to see one of us contact dogman with our concerns. If we can compile a list of concerns we have I will forward them onto him and post his replies. We need to have a say in this committee because many of our members our apart of its formation, lets not let some copy and pasting ranters belittle us...
Well you can pencil me in for a "no way" regarding the HSM committee. I already emailed dogmando and i will see what the response is but this will create a wall between shareholders.
An oversight that needs to be fixed. Once i get a definitive answer i will either be satisfied or begin emailing and calling the officers of our company until some sense is made of this. BAAAD start to a good idea IMO
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I like your idea glass, but that would take some time to get individual verification of shares owned by each voter. I don't think most people want to go through all that, but for the record I second your opinion....
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I SAY IT SHOULD BE ST. MATT- WHY IS THAT ALLSTOCKS DOESN'T GET ANY CREDIT?
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Originally Posted by billyf IF you are interested in becoming a representative for the shareholder committee, PLEASE list your name within this message! TIA
1. Mr. Platoons 2. CPA 3. Private Placement 4. Redneckmother 5. TUT *by the request of dogman 6. 7. 8. 9. 10.
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quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: A true site would have the ability for a CSHD staffer to double check the user share declaration versus the NOBO list. Or better yet a system that uses the NOBO list as entry to the site. Yeah now I am thinking. The entire known shareholder population, and registering with the site gives you secure login, and your share declaration is on the list. Personal information is cross checked and verified on registration.
that could be pretty slick, but it would not be a one day job. Hmmmmm.
I actually e-mailed several of the officers of CSHD when we were concerned about sharing personal information with dogmando in general. Asked if we could simply give him a name and e-mail and possibly have a staffer verify shares and that end of the committee. No response from anyone.
i can't believe i sent all my info to him, he could sell it to marketing companies *#$%!!!! not to mention its my info
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10of13 Honestly I do not want to be a rep for the shareholder comittee anyway. I have enough on my plate.
But here are some things that I see that are not going to help anyone. Say you claim 10% of the shareholders are in the comittee. Now you alienate 25% of that because you are arrogant and self absorbed. Then the stock starts trading and everyone gets there shares and a big sell off occurs. In the end you are just a big group of shareholders with no power to vote on anything.
A site which is prepopulated by all on the NOBO. Allows registration by cross checking the personal information you provide against the info in the NOBO. And then provides secure entry, and private honest voting power based on your % ownership would be the ultimate solution.
Additionally, periodic update by CSHD of the NOBO information would provide a stiff security system that would base your voting power and access to the site on your current ownership.
Now with all that being said. Could I build it. Yes easily. Would I build it. Not till this company gets out of trouble with the SEC and I have enough interest vested in the company to qualify the time and effort needed to build a great shareholder comitte system.
Heck I could even build it in a way to grow with the company and instantly create new comittee voting portals for all the spin-offs as they develop.
Oh yeah... and to be considered for the comittee representative position. I am sure one would have had to send their personal information to Dogmando which I have not done yet. (I was waiting to see how it was going to develop. Obviously I was right to do so. It is not off to a good start at this point.) 3 Days old and it is full of coruption, and lack of security.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I SAY IT SHOULD BE ST. MATT- WHY IS THAT ALLSTOCKS DOESN'T GET ANY CREDIT?
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Originally Posted by billyf IF you are interested in becoming a representative for the shareholder committee, PLEASE list your name within this message! TIA
1. Mr. Platoons 2. CPA 3. Private Placement 4. Redneckmother 5. TUT *by the request of dogman 6. 7. 8. 9. 10.
St. Matt would be a good one to consider, especially if the HQ is relocated to Dallas. That is, assuming he has time to devote. I think several people should be nominated and everyone have an opporunity to look at candidates just like any other election.
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Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Poker Table Posts: 663 Quote: Originally Posted by tutankhamen There is nothing bad happening. The reason I ask all of you to do this is to continue putting the pressure on and do not let up. It will only help bring more political attention to an injustice which has been perpetrated against the American people for too many years and with it help bring more pressure to do what is right for the company and in particular the shareholders who represent the votes for the rights of all the American people in this country. It will only help to speed up the process for justice to be done without delay. It is your voice that counts and it should be heard loud and clear. It is time that government realizes that "enough is enough" and the American people will not stand by and do nothing anymore.
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If your NOT on the commitee then don't worry about it, they have enough. The committee was formed to HELP "NOW!"
We have 7 days people...Need PRESSURE applied NOW.
You can sit on your thumb here, or DO SOMETHING.
Everyone can at least call IMO ~
First. Shareholders call Ronald Crawford at the Georgia division of the SEC at 404-842-7600 - Extension 7630 and lay your concerns very firmly. Do not take no for an answer and demand to speak to Ronald Crawford directly and do not settle for leaving a message. In the alternative also call Debbie Hampton also at the Georgia division at 404-842-7635 - direct line.
Secondly, call your Congressman and Senators and the Attorney General's office.
One thing is for sure, this board isn't going to make a call, the PEOPLE here have too...
Sitting hERE and talking will do nothing, yes you have good points but that's moot at this point.
"Time is our Enemy."
Apply pressure where you feel comfortable and where you think you can help, be it emails, phone calls or joining the list...
Tut is spearheading a phone jamming session, why not join in??????
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sherrieT? Who said the headquarters would be relocated? I heard Rufus looking into some property there...but I was under the impression that it was for personal use...
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quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: If your NOT on the commitee then don't worry about it, they have enough. The committee was formed to HELP "NOW!"
We have 7 days people...Need PRESSURE applied NOW.
You can sit on your thumb here, or DO SOMETHING.
Everyone can at least call IMO ~
First. Shareholders call Ronald Crawford at the Georgia division of the SEC at 404-842-7600 - Extension 7630 and lay your concerns very firmly. Do not take no for an answer and demand to speak to Ronald Crawford directly and do not settle for leaving a message. In the alternative also call Debbie Hampton also at the Georgia division at 404-842-7635 - direct line.
Secondly, call your Congressman and Senators and the Attorney General's office.
One thing is for sure, this board isn't going to make a call, the PEOPLE here have too...
Sitting hERE and talking will do nothing, yes you have good points but that's moot at this point.
"Time is our Enemy."
Apply pressure where you feel comfortable and where you think you can help, be it emails, phone calls or joining the list...
Tut is spearheading a phone jamming session, why not join in??????
Well chart, have you called your Congressman and Senator?
Do you want people that you know nothing about representing the shareholders committee? Come on chart....
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: sherrieT? Who said the headquarters would be relocated? I heard Rufus looking into some property there...but I was under the impression that it was for personal use...
From the interview last night: ~S: Do you think you will move the company from keneshaw to Dallas? R: I have no doubt about that. It's Gods Country.
Did not mean to imply fact, but it does sound like he definately has it in his plans.
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Chart? I think that there are several on this board that are emailing, Calling and sending snail mail...I have and am... (One of the reasons I haven't been on here alot...) I am sure that others are...
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Chart? I think that there are several on this board that are emailing, Calling and sending snail mail...I have and am... (One of the reasons I haven't been on here alot...) I am sure that others are...
I have...it's an election year here for Congress They ALL want my vote!
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Glass, I would be glad to vote for you- you big gorilla you!
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if you vote for me? i promise each of you a banana in every pot... what can Tut offer you? just some worn out furniture that's not even fit to use anymore...
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quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: If your NOT on the commitee then don't worry about it, they have enough. The committee was formed to HELP "NOW!"
We have 7 days people...Need PRESSURE applied NOW.
You can sit on your thumb here, or DO SOMETHING.
Everyone can at least call IMO ~
First. Shareholders call Ronald Crawford at the Georgia division of the SEC at 404-842-7600 - Extension 7630 and lay your concerns very firmly. Do not take no for an answer and demand to speak to Ronald Crawford directly and do not settle for leaving a message. In the alternative also call Debbie Hampton also at the Georgia division at 404-842-7635 - direct line.
Secondly, call your Congressman and Senators and the Attorney General's office.
One thing is for sure, this board isn't going to make a call, the PEOPLE here have too...
Sitting hERE and talking will do nothing, yes you have good points but that's moot at this point.
"Time is our Enemy."
Apply pressure where you feel comfortable and where you think you can help, be it emails, phone calls or joining the list...
Tut is spearheading a phone jamming session, why not join in??????
Well chart, have you called your Congressman and Senator?
Do you want people that you know nothing about representing the shareholders committee? Come on chart....
I've POSTED my letters right here!!] Who ever is in the committe isn't going to "run anything.... They bring up OUR concerns to the board, or in this case, to use us as leverage to apply pressure.
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Chart said: "I've POSTED my letters right here!!] Who ever is in the committe isn't going to "run anything.... They bring up OUR concerns to the board, or in this case, to use all our us as leverage to apply pressure.
-What don't you get?..."
"our" concerns? That's what I don't get.."shareholders committee"? Turning into HSM poster committee? Having someone else represent what ALL want does not mean that that individuals should be from a certain message board... Most of the people on ALL of these message boards are "clueless"... But as you pointed out...I never sent my name...(granted...i never recieved a response to my questions from dogmando) I'm not to worry about it...? Well I have done what I can do...made the calls and sent the letters...I spoke for myself...
Out for the day...have a good one guys!
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Well nice to see there is twisting of information even on the boards considered above that type of crap. new2stocks, why didnt you state what I actually said instead of distorting my comments to look as though allstocks was not welcome? 10of13 you may want to look on your own board before accusing others of being immature 20 year olds, I would suggest looking at your source of information first.
This is what I actually said. For what it's worth. Originally Posted by phil
I would recommend forming one for allstocks and then having a vote-off for the final comittee. There is no way you will get a fair vote for people from allstocks on HSM. They simply have no exposure to them here.
You folks are complaining that HSM is forming a committee yet doing nothing more than that. If you want representation and feel like you arent getting it, form one. Just sitting around and finding ways to excuse your inactivity doesnt buy you anything but an excuse.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Really? Wonderful! A bunch of 20 year olds running the show? That should be splendid! All the more reason MY info was not sent...
Allstocks starting their own committee? Sorry but that's not a possiblity...YOU CAN'T have 2 flippin' shareholders committees...AND now lets' add IHUB and and the other 2 or so dozen message boards!
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quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: [qb] New2? Add Taxback to the list for the voting thing...and offering to help with the website...
Portman? Tanks? You guys reading? Tax...how about it?
Apparently they only want HSM members on the list for reps.....they said that allstocks should start their own committe....per phil aka sceptor
That is sad...so now we also have to worry about people being registered with both shareholder groups
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I'm not that big on how the shareholder committee has been done. I was quite leery to send my info, but I did anyway. It sounds like all they need is 10% of the shareholders (I'm assuming by share count) and they can form the committee. I wonder if they can then stop taking other members after that...I hightly doubt it.
Rufus also made it sound like the committee could just appoint 3 people. I believe I read where he said they don't have to be voted on. I agree that this doesn't seem like the way it should be done, but it sounds like it can be done that way.
I plan on looking up some info on shareholder committees. Rufus said we should look it up and see just how powerful they can be.
I wouldn't mind being a board rep or whatever it is. I live pretty close to the current headquarters and I hope to have lots of time on my hands after this thing runs up .
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I don't get how they are going to regulate the voting power.
I don't get how they are going to campaign for position with out providing real names.
I don't get how they are going to proove to shareholders thet their vote is going to count towards anything.
I don't get a good idea that they understand what it is they are creating.
I don't get how an unorganized shareholder comittee will help this company.
I don't get how a few feel they can speak for all when they talk nothing but cryptic hearsay all day with little or no fact to back it up.
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I don't get why you are defending it.
If it is so critical to get it up now then "s c r e w" the non-proovable vote. Have Dogmando pick three names out of the hat, and make a real plan to fix the entire thing later.
"Because it was built broke." ~ TB (Quote me on that!)
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Chart ~ "-What don't you get?..."
I don't get how they are going to regulate the voting power.
I don't get how they are going to campaign for position with out providing real names.
I don't get how they are going to proove to shareholders thet their vote is going to count towards anything.
I don't get a good idea that they understand what it is they are creating.
I don't get how an unorganized shareholder comittee will help this company.
I don't get how a few feel they can speak for all when they talk nothing but cryptic hearsay all day with little or no fact to back it up.
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I don't get why you are defending it.
If it is so critical to get it up now then "s c r e w" the non-proovable vote. Have Dogmando pick three names out of the hat, and make a real plan to fix the entire thing later.
"Because it was built broke." ~ TB (Quote me on that!)
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Sad thing is I have never had any issue with HSM... I was thinking of signing up and trying it out. Definitely putting a hold on that thought.
Anything to talk about regarding CSHD? This committtee thing is depressing.
Chart ~ Are you feeling alright? You seem to be a bit pumped up.
well, it is what it is...
An injustice isn't it?... So what do we do, sit here and argue amongst ourselves or try to help shine the light on what REALLY goes on in the WHOLE MARKET. There is a reason I have that video as my siggy...
So I have a deeper cause then just CSHD. Look how many companies ARE getting NOBO lists and comparing the numbers and seeing how out of whach they are.
That SHO BS that the SEC set up is a JOKE! That doesn't work, no one covered all those Naked Shorts and no one ever will (unless a stock changes exchanges) -and isn't that REALLY why they are trying so hard to keep us down?....
I mean with the codes WE could find out in two minutes WHO owns them! This is a whole big BS trip that BIG MONEY is feeding us...
If you don't know what I'm talking about, while our stock is down PLEASE watch the video link below.
I'm pissed board... I person SHOULD be able to make a VERY comfortable living here, and the more you know about indicators and what they measure the more it will tick you off that BIG MONEY gets away with this....
How do you like YOUR MONEY being LOCKED UP right now?.. "THEY" have it.
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dallas Posts: 17 Quote: Originally Posted by phil I would recommend forming one for allstocks and then having a vote-off for the final comittee. There is no way you will get a fair vote for people from allstocks on HSM. They simply have no exposure to them here.
Phil, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. There are some pretty smart cookies over there (just as there are here). Most of them check out HSM on a regular basis. We are very familiar with who the trustworthy and respected posters are on HSM. I was fortunate to meet a few of them at the Dallas meeting. Like Rufus said...very nice people...unlike anywhere else in the country...God's Country. BTW what a good time that was…thanks again folks. Look, we both know that we all share each other DD as much as possible if it's worthy and if it will help us achieve our goals. I post as St. Matthew over there. I see my posts over here from time to time...no worries. If it helps anyone out, I’m all for it. I hop over here (often) because there are some pretty incredible (and somewhat connected) people over here as well. I want to absorb as much intellectual information as I can while doing my DD. I don't want to be wrong about this. I have too much at stake.
I would probably post over here more except this thread moves way to fast for me to keep up with while I'm at work. It would take my entire evening to catch up with this thread when I get home. I just can't do that because I have a family. I already feel like I neglect them a little because of this stock.
At Allstocks (at least on the CSHD thread), we try our best to stick to DD and CSHD related business. Because of this, it's easier to keep up / catch up because there are fewer one liners, jokes, verbal stabs, etc.. Both threads serve a wonderful purpose in finding the truth about all of what’s going on with CSHD. Rufus has stated a couple of times that HSM finds the answers to issues faster than people he pays to do it. Last night, he gave HSM kudos for helping us ALL win this battle. That is absolutely fantastic...my hat is off to this thread. That's why I signed up in the first place.
But please know this...the Allstocks family is just as good, just a little smaller. We are sending letters and faxes and making phone calls just like the members of HSM. We are not the black sheep of the family…just the little brother. What I'm trying to say is...we have to remember is that we are all on the same team and are working towards the same goal.
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I posted this in our defense over at HSM...not sure if it was even noticed. They are arguing about why should we vote for Tut as one of the top 3 when we don't even know who he is. I like Tut and all, but I'd have to agree with them on this one.
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Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dallas Posts: 17 Quote: Originally Posted by phil
I would recommend forming one for allstocks and then having a vote-off for the final comittee. There is no way you will get a fair vote for people from allstocks on HSM. They simply have no exposure to them here.
Phil, I would have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. There are some pretty smart cookies over there (just as there are here). Most of them check out HSM on a regular basis. We are very familiar with who the trustworthy and respected posters are on HSM. I was fortunate to meet a few of them at the Dallas meeting. Like Rufus said...very nice people...unlike anywhere else in the country...God's Country. BTW what a good time that was…thanks again folks.
Look, we both know that we all share each other DD as much as possible if it's worthy and if it will help us achieve our goals. I post as St. Matthew over there. I see my posts over here from time to time...no worries. If it helps anyone out, I’m all for it. I hop over here (often) because there are some pretty incredible (and somewhat connected) people over here as well. I want to absorb as much intellectual information as I can while doing my DD. I don't want to be wrong about this. I have too much at stake.
I would probably post over here more except this thread moves way to fast for me to keep up with while I'm at work. It would take my entire evening to catch up with this thread when I get home. I just can't do that because I have a family. I already feel like I neglect them a little because of this stock.
At Allstocks (at least on the CSHD thread), we try our best to stick to DD and CSHD related business. Because of this, it's easier to keep up / catch up because there are fewer one liners, jokes, verbal stabs, etc.. Both threads serve a wonderful purpose in finding the truth about all of what’s going on with CSHD. Rufus has stated a couple of times that HSM finds the answers to issues faster than people he pays to do it. Last night, he gave HSM kudos for helping us ALL win this battle. That is absolutely fantastic...my hat is off to this thread. That's why I signed up in the first place.
But please know this...the Allstocks family is just as good, just a little smaller. We are sending letters and faxes and making phone calls just like the members of HSM. We are not the black sheep of the family…just the little brother. What I'm trying to say is...we have to remember is that we are all on the same team and are working towards the same goal.
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