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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
BEFORE YOU GO AND POST A "NEGATIVE FROM A PAST ARTICLE"?
Please look at the date of the article and search the threads for the date
I am sure that the article has been discussed at length during that time frame...
Posted by Crab
For those reading for the fist time these are the links to all prior FHAL/CSHD threads. The oldest link is first and they continue in that order, the first of which dates back to June 14, 2006.

If I missed one or there are older threads, please feel free to add to the list.

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/022582/p/1.html?

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/023669/p/1.html?

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/2/t/012513/p/1.html?

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/023954/p/1.html?

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/023954/p/1.html?

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/012891/p/1.html

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/012978/p/1.html

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013019/p/1.html

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/2/t/013061/p/1.html?

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013073/p/114.html

Many believe that the NS is a big portion of this play! The CEO Rufus Harris feels VERY strongly on this factor! Take the time to look at this!
http://www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html


PLEASE BE AWARE THAT THERE ARE MANY NEGATIVE NAY SAYERS ON THIS STOCK, SO MANY THAT THE SEC HAS HALTED TRADING!

http://www.stock patrol.com/article/key/secsuspendsconversionsolutions
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/NewsStory.aspx?cpath=20061025%5cACQDJON2006102 51606DOWJONESDJONLINE001158.htm&
SEC Sues Conversion Solutions And Its CEO

Court filings
http://www.digitalislandsinc.com/misc/index.html

HAVE YOU SEEN THE AMOUNT OF NAY SAYING ON THIS STOCK? take a look at these sites;
http://www.stock lemon.com/07_26_06.html

http://www.our -street.com/featured.htm

The above site is ran by a man named Timothy Miles who himself is hiding from the SEC
http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/tdcarroll020104.txt
http://www.forbes.com/home/free_forbes/2005/1114/128.html
http://www.amex.com/?href=/newsDetails/CmnNewsDet.jsp?id=XpressFeed_NewsDetails_ 1115613571208.html

Senator Grassley is currently investigating the SEC's enforcement division and other areas, give him more evidence to prosecute these punks... see article
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=agIPbaUyAYFk

The "halt day" interview
http://216.235.94.14:20442/play?memb...e=256&from=pls

the sec document
http://sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/2006/34-54645.pdf


All filings can be found here:
http://sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?...ion=getcompany


POSTED BY DOG
These links should be familiar to you before participating in the discussion here.

http://www.cvsu.us/

NOBO list also at that site.
All PR's and news filings of the company can be found here.
Also of importance is the shareholder list on the bottom of the list to the right side. If your name is not listed here (first name first) and you hold shares of CSHD... please contact Mitch at the links on that page.

http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?company=furia&CIK=&filenum=&State=&SIC=& owner=include&action=getcompany

All of the SEC filings can be found on the Edgar system. The search should be conducted under "Furia", as that is the original company acquired in the reverse merger. Please familiarize yourself with these documents. They are essential to your understanding of the company.

http://www.gsccca.org/

http://www.gsccca.org/search/RealEstate/deedindex.asp

CSHD awaits a ruling from the Judge and after the ruling according to the rule 15c2-11 an MM must be willing to trade for us by filing the needed forms.

Rule 15c-211
http://www.law.uc.edu/CCL/34ActRls/rule15c2-11.html

Hope after a suspension?
Originally posted by madmoney:
CESV just got off suspension
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/2006/34-54503a-o.pdf
lost only a little, still in play --------- came off suspension on the 9th, it is now the 24th my L2 screen shows no MM`s issuing quotes on it! how is it still in play?
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
SPR on October 30th
Thanks Spooky, Tax, Chart, Fhal and a couple of others...
~Simon: move to NASDAQ?
Rufus: Not gonna comment on that right now
~R: Delist is just another step in the SEC process
~R: We got to tackle one horse at a time. Right now the SEC is our hourse.
~R: The delist is related to the investigation.
~R: He is pulling the comment on the SEC requesting a settlement. Today was a deposition.
~R: SEC wants to bury the company to bury the short sales. They want to draw focus away from it.
~R: The questioning today gave him the feel that they were a bit scared that they(SEC) might have made a mistake.
~R: said at the meeting that one of his officers told him the SEC wanted to settle and he said it was a misunderstanding
~R: Says they (sec) have made a HUGE mistake that they made (not believeing the bonds), but thinks that they will try to slap some minor thing on him to save face, like speaking without a PR out.
~R: Maurice is not an SEC attourney he is a criminal attourney. He is the man Rufus leanson when he is dealing with criminals. Did not take an attourney with him because he had not recieved a single document from the SEC before court, and he would not do that to an attourney.
~R: They are not on Defense, they are on Offense and he wants tigers at this stage of the game.
~R: wants to prove to a Bulldog attorney that everything is real and that they will go after the SEC, wants them to not be afraid, says he wants to take them to court for the short selling and that this is the best thing for us that could have happened.
~R: He is going to file a motion against the SEC and is going to ask for a Congressional hearing to lookinto the illegal short selling of the stock.
~R: He ga ave them porthole login into Euroclear
~R: Euroclear delivers their depo to the SEC at 1PM EST tomorrow.
~R: Nothing that has been presented has been frawd. Look at the Darkside of the looking glass.
~R: And when I said you would remember my name for the rest of your life. I meant it you little short hairs. You will remember me for the rest of your life.

S: Have you recieved a C&D from D Bank?

R: No, I have not recieved a C&D from D Bank
~R: SEC wants this company to go away. They are not looking into anything.

R: Anthony was right when he described the Delist/Relist. I do not know Anthony. He is not on the payroll
~He was very pleased with what Judge said and did, told judge he had a ton of respect for him.
~R: We got the best possible senario they could out of the first hearing. Who is to say it would have come out that way if I had representation?

R: Bill Hicks said if you have 7.2B you have no worries.

S: Is there any relation to former GA Gov. Joe Frank Harris?
R: Rufus said no comment.
~R: If you are an investor you need to ask why are they doing this?

R: Why would RPH make documents public months in advance?

S: Wondering why Tim Miles wouldn't go check out the files at GA Court web site?

R: No we have not recieved a C&D from Lehman Bros. They do not have anything to do with the note
~Georgia web site..

R: Why would I go and put all that stuff there?
So they can arrest me quicker? So give them a reason to arrest me? GIVE them proof?!!
Doesn't make sense for me to do that if I'm a fraud...
~Will CSHD resume trading Nov 8th...

R: I don't know.. Would like it sooner
~R: Stands behind the $12.60.

S: Are there any negative reprocussions to forming a shareholder committee? Give up their right to sue? ect.
R: No, no, no... just a way to participate in the company activities.
~R: Use your voice... draw attention to this.
R: Do you think if i was comitting frawd that I would want national attention? That is some illogical chit!
~R: This is going to be a Congressional issue.
~R: This is going to be big and I am glad you are all on the books
~Q will we be a graysheet stock?
A I don't want it to trade until clear, that's what they want, is us to go away. They want to lock my ass up! We are in court and we won't stop.
~R: We have found out some neat little stuff about Timothy Miles. Should be some interesting stuff happening there.
S: Can you promise to not allow this to trade as a Gray Sheet.
R: I am going to request that it does not trade until this is straightened out.
S: You are going to ask them not to allow the stock to trade.
R: That is true. I want it to trade aa a reputible company again.
R: It would be harmful to the shareholders if they allow it to open anything less than where it was before the investigation.
~R: Is going to ask for restitution for false claims.
S: Did you just threaten Timothy Miles?
R: Did I?
R: I think I have threatend lots of people. it is not a threaten, it is a promise.
~said the movement is started..
Others have gitten DTCC lists and compared the numbers (to NOBO) and are seeing they don't add up...
Mark your calendar siad Rufus, this is the start of the change.
~S: I think I should invest in ADP.
R: I don't know about that when the first file they sent me was in triplicate? They haven't done that since.
S: Do you think you are acting in the shareholers best interest.
R: (long answer) yes I do.
~Rufus has enough college credit hours from the Air Force to qualify for a degree, but does not have a formal degree.
~S: CVSU stock that Furia owns are they in offshore accounts?
R: No, no way Furia does not have any off shore accounts.
J: Total count 13M
R: james you have enough of a percentage for the comittee.
S: Now what?
R: They need to vote for three share holders to represent them.
~S: Can these three get insider info?
R: No it does not work that way. Information does not go through them.
~S: Shareholders want a $10 dividend. Could they put it up for a vote?
R: Yes anything you want, you get it to the three individuals. They do not hear back until after the board vote.
~S: Will the three sit on the board?
R: No they will report to the board, not sit on it.
R: There will be committee members that will be added.
R: Now the commeitee member will be privy to the insider info. They will be paid members.
~J: I need Ben's email address so he can forward info.
R: BenStanley*CSHD.com
S: If people think the shareholder comittee is illegal. Where would you send them?
R: the Internet
~S: What should shareholders look for next.
R: Look around it is happening. Look for congressional hearings. Senator probes. Companies looking to know who their shareholders are.
S: What happens if a short is unable to cover because of financial reasons. What chapter 11? Will that save them?
R: Pray for them. You can't just go after one of them. Once the ball starts rolling you can't stop it.
~S: Everyone is liable. Do you mean liquidation of everyones assets?
R: I don't know. They are bleeding right now. They are screaming right now.
R: No one has calculated the average weight volumes since this thing started. Who has it? I know I don't have it. CSHD does not have it? Who has it?
~S: Can you give your estimate for when the stock will resume trading and the stock PPS estimate?
R: I do not know. ASAP As soon as it is possible following the SEC investigation.
S: Have CEO's been giving you a call about the suit.
R: Yes I have had several. they say thay are CEO of this such and such corporation and I see that you are stopping this NSS. Can you help.
~S: would you team up with other companies
R: Oh yeah now... Where were you when this started? Jump on the bandwagon.
S: Where do you see this at Christmas this year?
R: Two JVs funded by end of DEC, PPS? aaah I don't know. It is going to be crazy after this.
S: I have concerns that this will be drawn out with suits and counter suits. Are you worried?
R: No. The SEC's case is based on the bonds being Frawd and they are not.
~S: The first day could be on or before Nov 7th
R: God be willing.
R: I am going to be wrapping this up pretty quickly.
S: Are you concerned that the stock would be revoked.
R: For that to happen the bonds would have to be a frawd. And that sir they are not.
~S: If people have two accounts do they have their name on the NOBO multiple times.
R: That could be people with multiple types of accounts.
R: NOBO is a way for us to find out what is out in the market.
S: Reorg shares still there?
R: Yes we can not pull that back. Just on hold til this SEC thing is over.
~S: Is rufus excited about people showing up for the hearing.
R: Yes.
S: Does the company have any DNO Ins.
R: No.
S: Is that something you in hindsight now regret.
R: No... We have billions in bonds why do we need Ins?
~S: Do you think you will move the company from keneshaw to Dallas?
R: I have no doubt about that. It's Gods Country.
S: Allstocks is listening tonight... (My input )
R: Ben Stanley has a meeting with them tomorrow, and Euroclear has a depo with them. After that there is nothing scheduled till the 7th.
S: Please do not let Tut post things from Ben on HSM. it is confusing and hersay information.
R: i am not aware of what Tut is posting. Ben does not give out insider info. I am sure it is just Tut's feeling from the conversations.
~S: Is there a plan for any Press release, news or events before the 7th?
R: Yes.
S: Do you mind shareholders contacting the media regarding the Investigation?
R: I don't mind if all the media is on this.
R: Use your voice.
R: I am the true definition of a Georgia Bulldog. We do not let go until you cut the head off. And then you still have to pry the jaws off.
R: I would bring over a Euroclear expert if their investigation comes up different.

R: 14C I want to address that... you are asuming that shareholders are the majority shareholder. that is not that case at the

R: H&S did send us a C&D through efax. And we talked to a couple of people. Was it from them? I never talked to the guy on the bottom. I talked to Steven Canady, and told him "Dude, you can't send a C&D on this. You would be comitting security frawd. He never said that he sent it. They do not know for sure where it came from.
R: Mensah has been difficult to find and serve. I have heard he has been served at this time. He has not served us.
S: Either we hit a home run and provide proof of the bonds, or we are done on Nov 7th. True or False.
R: True.

~There may be more but I was goin' to bed...
 

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Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
I'm the second person, YEA LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Posted by a surfer on :
 
Good night all.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Ok I am now over here... man can this guy talk.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
R: I would bring over a Euroclear expert if their investigation comes up different.

R: 14C I want to address that... you are asuming that shareholders are the majority shareholder. that is not that case at the

R: H&S did send us a C&D through efax. And we talked to a couple of people. Was it from them? I never talked to the guy on the bottom. I talked to Steven Canady, and told him "Dude, you can't send a C&D on this. You would be comitting security frawd. He never said that he sent it. They do not know for sure where it came from.

R: Mensah has been difficult to find and serve. I have heard he has been served at this time. He has not served us.

S: Either we hit a home run and provide proof of the bonds, or we are done on Nov 7th. True or False.

R: True.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
S: Do you know that you are in violation of Reg FD when you post on a message board.

R: That is a negative. No. That is only if I give out insider information. Am I stupid enough to post insider information on a message board? No. Will I ever post insider information on a message board? No.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Little bit on bad experiences in Oklahoma. With BBAN... they are just jawing now. I guess 30 guys wanted to whoop Rufus's butt, and smashed his car in the middle of the night.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
S: H&S C&D are you saying it was not fake?

R: No, I am not saying that. I asked if they had sent it then I wanted it in hard copy. But they never admitted to sending it to them.

R: They tried to renegotiating on it. {laughs}


There is too much jawing at this time... I will listen for anything else important, but not going to follow too closely from here.
 

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Posted by mathis on :
 
thanks taxback, chart for keeping us updated
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
R: Here is a public company in the United States of America claiming to have billions in International bonds. Wouldn't the department of Homeland Security be the first one at my door. Not he SEC.

R: No I am not a Terrorist, it is just I truely believe in identity theft, and the things these criminals are doing to you shareholders on a daily basis.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
No problem mathis... it actually helps me in listening to the actual message being delivered.
 

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Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Again... Still on Vacation and came on for just a quick recap on the CSHD Saga...
Tax Back and Chart, Thankyou for your quality relay
And the 10th one, Thankyou for starting this new thread with such an awsome post... that should help with some of the obvious and subtle bashing that I have to sift through while catching up.
Well I gotta hit the sac, big day tommorrow (include trying to catch a few waves. Hope they are big enough to get up on tommorrow, surfing is such an exilerating experince!)
Night
Ima

 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
R: I have been a victim of Identity theft. And then had to jump through the hoops to correct it. It is a nightmare.

S: Yes it can be a nightmare.

R: I have not laundered money. I might have left a hundred dollar bill in my pocket and ran it through the laundry.

R: SEC asked him today what is Edgar. HA!
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
S: If God forbid things did not go as planned could you guarantee buying back the shares at $15 and taking the company private?

R: That would take a vote by the BOD and could take a couple of months to make happen if it was decided to go that direction.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
According to the interview those who bought CSHDE ( the believers ) since they bought pre-halt MIGHT, and i say Might recieve the reorg shares because rufus said that it was "an excellent idea" and would be considered before we resume trading.. now it has to be brought to the shareholder commitee. interesting



 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
R: I would like to have CSHD liste on all global markets eventually.

S: How is that a benefit to the shareholders.

R: It allows us to distribute funds globally.

R: "IF" worst case senario happens shareholders should go after the bonds, because they are there. Liquidate them and divi them out.
 

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Posted by AC on :
 
I have been following this stock for months, back in the fhal days for those who know. But as you can read my posts from a month ago, I think this one is too risky. Investigations are never good and unlikely that they would come out clean. -This is my Opinion just like it was a month ago to let this stock go-
 

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Posted by Morty on :
 
Hey 10 -- Thanks for the posting of the past threads, but all but the current ones say no such forum number exists. There's something wrong with the links. I tried clicking and cutting and pasting. A workable index like you compiled would help all new posters, even myself.
 

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Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Morty- Did you remove the spaces? Some of the links have spaces at the end (the stockpatrol link for instance)
 

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Posted by Morty on :
 
Yes I did in those cases, but I am interested in this boards previous threads dating back to June 14. I can't seem to make them work in any fashion. I am not now nor have I ever been technilogically inclined -- Richard M. Nixon. lol
 

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Posted by portman on :
 
10 Great effort on the index...
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Let's try the links to the old threads again.

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/022582/p/1.html?
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/023669/p/1.html?
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/2/t/012513/p/1.html?
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/023954/p/1.html?
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/023954/p/1.html?
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/2/t/012891/p/1.html?
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/2/t/012978/p/1.html?
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/2/t/013019/p/1.html?
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/2/t/013061/p/1.html?
 

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Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Works great- thanks 10! Nice recap up top also.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
There ya go...sometimes links work..and sometimes they don/t
Sorry Morty...I think those are working...
 

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Posted by Morty on :
 
10, that did it. holy s**t 232 pages lol. Good thin I went to the evelyn woodhead sped redding course. Thanks
 

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Originally posted by Morty:
10, that did it. holy s**t 232 pages lol. Good thin I went to the evelyn woodhead sped redding course. Thanks

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Originally posted by AC:
I have been following this stock for months, back in the fhal days for those who know. But as you can read my posts from a month ago, I think this one is too risky. Investigations are never good and unlikely that they would come out clean. -This is my Opinion just like it was a month ago to let this stock go-

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Originally posted by portman:
If you have not yet sent in your information for the Shareholder Committee...please do so.

Those who have will hopefully get some information soon. Several of us are diligently working to get it organized in very short order.

I may not be around as much as there is much to do.

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Originally posted by ClayN:
Please send your name, address, phone number, and the number of CSHD shares you currently own to [EMAIL]dogmando*hotmail.com[/EMAIL] . He is drafting the formal, legal share holder committee documentation, as per the request of Rufus Paul Harris, and needs at least 10% of the share holders to join before it can be submitted.

Rufus requested this for the primary purpose of showing share holder unity to the SEC, the board, and any outsider looking into the situation. This is not, as some have asserted, because he thinks this will take longer than November 7th. To the contrary, he said Saturday night that the SEC has already approached him to settle, he doesn’t want to the put share holders through any more stress, so it’s highly likely to end in our favor early this week.

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Last night listening to Rufus was interesting...

I get the feeling that Rufus indeed does have the bonds, I also get the feeling that this isn't over yet.

SEC is still powerful and has it's job to do, yet Rufus still claims he has the bonds and will talk all day about them, says he has nothing to hide.

I got the mind picture of two Bulldogs looking at each other, one may be right and one may be wrong but it's still going to be a scrap ~

Since the SEC's reason for taking Rufus to court was the bonds and ownership, he says we still are golden cause they have everything that's at the Georgia courthouse for all to see. Rufus even went so far to say that that in itself would be the dumbest thing he could do if he didn't have all those things filed there, cause that would be like gathering/giving them evidence to hang him with.

Another thing that was interesting, remember when Rufus said "watch the market" Rufus said that because we had over 40 MM's and he didn't sign them on, so where did they come from, -what are they doing there was his point...

So, it was my understanding that we are in a war, Rufus is in the right but has to move a mountain, so he WANTS ATTENTION drawn to this.

"Many hands make much work light" -kind of thing..

He is sure that a movement is started now, says that more and more you will see NOBO lists, and that the market will be forced to change.

My take on things FWIW.
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Originally posted by portman:
If you have not yet sent in your information for the Shareholder Committee...please do so.

Those who have will hopefully get some information soon. Several of us are diligently working to get it organized in very short order.

I may not be around as much as there is much to do.

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Originally posted by SherriT:

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Originally posted by portman:
If you have not yet sent in your information for the Shareholder Committee...please do so.

Those who have will hopefully get some information soon. Several of us are diligently working to get it organized in very short order.

I may not be around as much as there is much to do.

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Would you kindly repost the address or whom we should send everything to?

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Originally posted by ClayN:
Please send your name, address, phone number, and the number of CSHD shares you currently own to [EMAIL]dogmando*hotmail.com[/EMAIL] . He is drafting the formal, legal share holder committee documentation, as per the request of Rufus Paul Harris, and needs at least 10% of the share holders to join before it can be submitted.

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Originally posted by SherriT:

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Originally posted by portman:
If you have not yet sent in your information for the Shareholder Committee...please do so.

Those who have will hopefully get some information soon. Several of us are diligently working to get it organized in very short order.

I may not be around as much as there is much to do.

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Would you kindly repost the address or whom we should send everything to?

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Originally posted by maumee river rat:
Hey Walker!!!!


The Saga continues, Eh??

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
good morning new2stocks. how goes it in wisconsin?

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
its going to be too cold to go camping here chart. not a good day for trick or treating!! windy and 30ish

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Well then TRICK or treat "IN DOORS" -wink
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 

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Originally posted by milliam:
I'm still with TDA...not sure of what to do. I guess I should see about getting out of there, but I wonder if its possible with the suspension. Looks like I have some digging to do and some action to take.

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
its going to be too cold to go camping here chart. not a good day for trick or treating!! windy and 30ish

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We had trick or treating on Sunday and it was pretty nice out.
 

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Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
ORRRRR

You can become a "Trick" .... and PAY for your "Treat"!!
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
that too, chart !! good idea!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I see where this is going ~~
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
somehow i always have to pay for my treats, maumee. such is life!!
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
woo hoo, i did it !!!!! a post count of 666 on halloween, what could be cooler than that? i am superstitious so no trading for me today !
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
hitting the gutter early for us, isn't it rat? please no blue shampoo and naked indians until afternoon -

....my daughter and I dressed up as Snow White and the Wicked Queen today. My co-workers are giving me such grief!

My biggest concern, other than this dragging out, is what the SEC is going to throw at him to make the company falter instead of the bonds, since we know that is real? Thoughts?
 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
Thanks Tax for for summerizing the play by play action last night on SPR!! Great job 10 on starting the new thread with links to all the old threads, this way newbies can answer their own questions and learn a whole lot more by sifting through the thousands of pages we have already covered. I'm glad I went golfing yesterday instead of being hear for all the tantrums, lets just keep the speculation away until we get the real answers on or before the 7th. GLTA
 

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Posted by 10-Penny on :
 

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
yawn, I have to stop listening to Subpenny radio all freakin night.

66 I noticed that Rufus "amended" his statement about the SEC wanting to settle, but he explained it as he was misinformed. He sill sounded sincere about it. After all, he didn't need to come clean. HE could have said that the SEC mentioned it to them and then said they didn't.

JMHO
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
you may be right doniboy. i am staying open minded on this until we find out what happens on the 7th. maybe he is sincere. i certainly hope so. JHMO too.
 

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
If he's not sincere then we are all done. End of story. All I know is that I am not doing my taxes until we figure it out. Hopefully I won't need to file for an extension this year
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Well, we are exactly one week away from D-day.

I think we'll learn more and more about things as we go, Rufus likes to keep us informed, and as he mentioned on SPR, he can do that as much as he wants, just can't give out insider information, which he said he never would.
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
How many other stocks has anyone traded that the CEO gives interviews till 5a.m. None Ive ever been in.
JMHO
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
why did rufus use maurice, who he says is a criminal attorney instead of a sec type attorney in a sec case? would he hire a sec attorney to handle a dui ? maybe rufus is expecting criminal charges to be filed over this. he also took back the point that the sec wants to settle with him. rufus is losing credibility fast in my book

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66 ~ Rufus has not used Maurice in this SEC case. Someone made the comment last night that Maurice is a DUI Attourney could Rufus elaborate.

Rufus said that Maurice is the best criminal attourney that he knows, and when you are dealing with criminals then he is the best to advise you.

As for the SEC investigation he is meeting with a large group of SEC focused Attourney's today and he is going to be looking for one or more that have the teeth needed to be agressive in this case.

Sorry to hear that Rufus "losing credibility fast in my book" I actually moved him up a notch in mine based on last nights SPR interview. Fact is every SPR interview seems to give him a bit more credit for me. He is either honest or has an unexplainable ability to tell the same lies over and over for hours on end in multiple interviews. Fact is I would not want any of the CEO's I have met in the past to be leading this crusade any more than Rufas. Heck my current CEO just walked by my desk dressed up as a giant Boom Box, playing the song "Candy" making sure everyone dressed up for Halloween as was stated in the memo. (I didn't dress up.) I would hate for him to be leading this charge.
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
taxback04, as long as rufus has sec type attorney's with him at the court next tuesday he has no problems with me. rufus just worries me sometimes - like a loose cannon waiting to go off. as long as there is a good result next tuesday all is well. i want to go back to making money on this one too!!
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 
I'm hoping for a very MERRY CHRISTMAS myself!

(Edit: sure wouldn't mind giving extra Thanks a bit earlier either - as in Thanksgiving )
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
me too sherri. sorry about the off topic earlier.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

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Originally posted by SherriT:
I'm hoping for a very MERRY CHRISTMAS myself!

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Aren't we all!!
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
My fear is that if this stock comes off the halt while the investigation is still underway that we may fall sharply
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Hey Tax didnt Rufus say last night he didnt want it trading until it was cleared up?
JMHO
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

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Originally posted by trade04:
My fear is that if this stock comes off the halt while the investigation is still underway that we may fall sharply

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Originally posted by trade04:
My fear is that if this stock comes off the halt while the investigation is still underway that we may fall sharply

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You really don't think the SEC would allow that do you? After all they are for the best interest of the shareholders.

[sarcasm included]
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 

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Originally posted by trade04:
My fear is that if this stock comes off the halt while the investigation is still underway that we may fall sharply

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Originally posted by stocktrader2006:

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Originally posted by trade04:
My fear is that if this stock comes off the halt while the investigation is still underway that we may fall sharply

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You really don't think the SEC would allow that do you? After all they are for the best interest of the shareholders.

[sarcasm included]

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

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Originally posted by stocktrader2006:

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Originally posted by trade04:
My fear is that if this stock comes off the halt while the investigation is still underway that we may fall sharply

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You really don't think the SEC would allow that do you? After all they are for the best interest of the shareholders.

[sarcasm included]

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And that's why Rufus wants EVERYONE and their mother to know and hear about this, cause then it'll be hard for them to brush this under the carpet...

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Originally posted by bigstocks:
Hey Tax didnt Rufus say last night he didnt want it trading until it was cleared up?
JMHO

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Originally posted by trade04:
My fear is that if this stock comes off the halt while the investigation is still underway that we may fall sharply

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I actually doubt that would happen... Fact is I am not selling my shares for less than 6X they were valued before the SEC halt unless someone can prove to me that the bonds are NOT real. The SEC whether they like Rufus or not, will still have "real" bonds valued at 7.2 billion to contend with.

Bonds attached to a company in which I hold shares. Until this is done or the bonds are liquidated and shareholders are paid back. I am not selling for anything less than $12.60 or greater. People who would risk selling on the greys or otherwise while the bonds are still in existance and attached to this company would be stupid in my opinion. If the price drops to sub pennies... and everyone sells. Well I may just take out a massive loan and buy every single share. Easiest 7.2 Billion I would have ever made.

This is ALL about the bonds at this point.
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Since the bonds exist.....
JMHO
 

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Posted by brooklyn55 on :
 
This is my first post on allstocks but I have PM several in an information and private concern on CSHD.. I joined the Prodigy network back in 1994 when the Internet StockTalk was the hot topic for stocks.
It was where the Motley Fools crew started their agenda and discussion boards. Alot of bantering back and forth. I got in the frey with them many times.
I stepped over the boundary with information that
peaked the interest of the SEC. I got a call.
I was just an ordinary shareholder just like many of you.. The SEC watches these forums very closely.. I was talking to 4 representatives in my conference call. It was just little ole me against them.. I was not a paid employee or promoter..
The SEC will have a long discussion in the end with the CEO and company even if nothing comes up and I think you will see it in their desimination of information. If they really want to make it, it is of upmost importance that they refrain from opening up more than they really have been in the past. It is for the importance of the families monies that have been placed with this company's stock.
The names of the posters on this forum are small in comparison to the names of shareholders that read these posts, I can assure you. I'm sure that dogmando*hotmail can attest to that. Many are lurkers that would love to speak their word ( pro or con) but in their nature are followers of the crowd.. The money has always been where the story stock is ( whether a good story or good story gone bad).. We are at a point when the stock opens ( or not) again.. It will either fail miserably or go to the moon.. It will not languish at these levels, I can assure you. You will either lose it all or make a mint. There is too much story and notice now to the public media.. We all have the hopes of these story stocks ( you have found it).. On the opening bell..whenever if ever.. You need to sell at the open or buy at the open.. It is either a $9000 in cash company or 1-2 years a zillion dollar company(or maybe just a million or 2).. You can look at the posts for this stock on any stocktalk board site.. It leads by far.. It is the story stock we all look for. So much unknown. I can assure you, there is only 1-2 people that really know the truth. I'm just a lurker myself with a business, church and family to serve and not this board.
I thank you for my freedom to speak and wishing you the many riches in life. It is just what you cherish the most and what you do with it that matters in life.
God Bless
 

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Posted by frank021474 on :
 

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Originally posted by stocktrader2006:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

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Originally posted by stocktrader2006:

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Originally posted by trade04:
My fear is that if this stock comes off the halt while the investigation is still underway that we may fall sharply

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You really don't think the SEC would allow that do you? After all they are for the best interest of the shareholders.

[sarcasm included]

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And that's why Rufus wants EVERYONE and their mother to know and hear about this, cause then it'll be hard for them to brush this under the carpet...

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Anyone near Washington DC care to organize a protest outside SEC's Headquarters?
I'm sure if we get a couple hundred people out in the streets, national news would cover it.

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

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Originally posted by trade04:
My fear is that if this stock comes off the halt while the investigation is still underway that we may fall sharply

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I actually doubt that would happen... Fact is I am not selling my shares for less than 6X they were valued before the SEC halt unless someone can prove to me that the bonds are NOT real. The SEC whether they like Rufus or not, will still have "real" bonds valued at 7.2 billion to contend with.

Bonds attached to a company in which I hold shares. Until this is done or the bonds are liquidated and shareholders are paid back. I am not selling for anything less than $12.60 or greater. People who would risk selling on the greys or otherwise while the bonds are still in existance and attached to this company would be stupid in my opinion. If the price drops to sub pennies... and everyone sells. Well I may just take out a massive loan and buy every single share. Easiest 7.2 Billion I would have ever made.

This is ALL about the bonds at this point.

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Originally posted by SherriT:
hitting the gutter early for us, isn't it rat? please no blue shampoo and naked indians until afternoon -

....my daughter and I dressed up as Snow White and the Wicked Queen today. My co-workers are giving me such grief!

My biggest concern, other than this dragging out, is what the SEC is going to throw at him to make the company falter instead of the bonds, since we know that is real? Thoughts?

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Originally posted by Jenna:
My question is this: If the whole investigation is about the bonds & they have the codes they need to check ownership in Euroclear, then when the SEC recieves the deposition today from Euroclear, what would be left? Wouldn't that be enough to clear it up?

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Originally posted by Jenna:
My question is this: If the whole investigation is about the bonds & they have the codes they need to check ownership in Euroclear, then when the SEC recieves the deposition today from Euroclear, what would be left? Wouldn't that be enough to clear it up?

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Originally posted by portman:

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Originally posted by SherriT:
hitting the gutter early for us, isn't it rat? please no blue shampoo and naked indians until afternoon -

....my daughter and I dressed up as Snow White and the Wicked Queen today. My co-workers are giving me such grief!

My biggest concern, other than this dragging out, is what the SEC is going to throw at him to make the company falter instead of the bonds, since we know that is real? Thoughts?

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Why do you think a shareholder committee is being formed? Stop gap folks...stop gap. Just in case.

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Originally posted by portman:
Let me say this....


IF the SEC backs off and says...the bonds are in order...?

Then reopens trading and the company moves on...let's just postulate the PPS goes up slowly and at a healthy pace.

Would anyone really care the SEC took the time to validate the bonds?

They could just say...hey it looked too good to be true and on the surface we thought we were right....but we made a mistake...

Personally...I would just chalk this up to a business delay.

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I agree once again, but I hardly see it as business as usual. SEC validation whether deep or just a surface wash of the bonds should bounce us above our book value.

Lack of MM's on the 1st trade date and slander from NY Post and Carol Redmond will cause a spike down on reentry.

Slow climbs will be a Godsend if you ask me but not very plausable with the current SEC and Basher efforts. Cooperative or not. IMO
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Honestly, I think it would be great if it took the MM's a while to get back on board. Kind of tying our hands a bit as trading begins again. I hate impulse buying and impulse selling for that matter.

If everyone is jumping out of a perfecly good airplane without parashutes just because of a sense of panic. Well... lets just say I would be happy that my seatbelt was stuck and I was placed me at the back of that line.
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Trade - I don't know if Rufus will be on SPR tonight, you never know with him, sometimes he just calls in....
 

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Posted by mlfox on :
 
I hope this little escapade with the SEC has shaken the tree. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing the price go down if this thing gets to trading again. I have a small position in this and wouldn't mind adding a substaintial number of shares to my holdings at a discount price. More money I can make in the long run.

It comes down to whether you believe in the company or not. If you have satisfied yourself that this is a legitimate play, then why worry if a bunch of holders dump their shares when this thing starts back up. IMO, I think a drop in pps upon a restart of trading will be temporary and could benefit those of us that are holding strong.

This is definitely not a play for the weak of heart. I wouldn't be in it with money I couldn't afford to lose, but like I said in the beginning, my investment in this company has been made with expendable income. The risk to reward ration is definitely in my favor.

On the other side, if this thing never trades again, I only lose what I have invested in this, I don't even look at what could have been, cause it never was. The suspension has made it where I can't lose any more money that what I have in play. If it hadn't been suspend and the pps dropped due to the investigation, I would have been buying the cheap shares. Investigation concludes, CSHD gets shut down, then I would be pissed. With the suspension, there is nothing to think about. I'm either out my small play or I make a lot of money. We either trade again or not. All other speculation at this point is worthless, because it does not change the fact that no one can do anything with this until after the investigation is over.

I believe the bonds are real and I believe I will one day retire because of this investment. It's like knowing you hold the winning ticket to the next Powerball drawing.

If you believe the bonds are real, then you know how I feel. If you don't, then you can sell me your shares when this thing starts trading again.

cya
 

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Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Good morning everyone ....This is from Taxback04 ..."I agree PORTMAN if they start taking pot shots at the company as a whole or whether anything Rufus has said to shareholders is a lie. "

This is the very reason why Rufus SHOULD have a good SEC stock and bond type lawyer at his side when going to court. If the SEC goes off to another direction with accusations, that type of a lawyer will be better prepared to combat the situation. We need this resolved with the best team possible.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
from ifud thought it was funny lol (click to enlarge)


 

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Posted by NEL on :
 
Interesting article about Dubai... maybe the Prince's nephew is involved...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061030/lf_afp/afplifestyleuaedubai
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
FWIW...just posted by tut-eister


Today, 12:47 PM #3582
tutankhamen
HSM Regular


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 371 Shareholders. I am going to speak on something important some time today. I think it is time we took some solid action to help this along for Rufus and I have certain things that can help this along with some solid forward movement because of who I am. You don't know who or what I am yet, but it is time someone took a more solid stance here. Do not take this message as a negative by any means. We are going to win this and you will be the winners by the time this comes to a head.
 

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Posted by thedoctor on :
 
From Mr. J at HSM.....makes sense

"Yes we are .....Rufus should have the BEST stock and bond lawyer at his side. Forget a criminal lawyer..... The SEC probably will chew up a lawyer that doesn't know that type of law. Would anyone here go to a dentist if they needed their tonsils out ? Please RUFUS ....take all of your all of your Army with you."
 

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Posted by BooDog on :
 

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Originally posted by trade04:
from ifud thought it was funny lol

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Originally posted by BooDog:

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Originally posted by trade04:
from ifud thought it was funny lol

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now I know where my rack went after i got out of the navy!

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LOL... i was in so long ago? they were still using hammocks
 

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Posted by BooDog on :
 
Musta been rough using those oars buddy.

LMAO
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Brooklyn, nice intro post. Hopefully we can all meet someday and discuss this bump in the road eh?
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 

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Originally posted by thedoctor:
From Mr. J at HSM.....makes sense

"Yes we are .....Rufus should have the BEST stock and bond lawyer at his side. Forget a criminal lawyer..... The SEC probably will chew up a lawyer that doesn't know that type of law. Would anyone here go to a dentist if they needed their tonsils out ? Please RUFUS ....take all of your all of your Army with you."

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

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Originally posted by thedoctor:
From Mr. J at HSM.....makes sense

"Yes we are .....Rufus should have the BEST stock and bond lawyer at his side. Forget a criminal lawyer..... The SEC probably will chew up a lawyer that doesn't know that type of law. Would anyone here go to a dentist if they needed their tonsils out ? Please RUFUS ....take all of your all of your Army with you."

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Rufus has asked for a bulldog lawyer or lawyers to join the team. He was basically advertising for it last night.

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Originally posted by TexasMoney:
The suspense and drama leading up to November 7th is killinig me! Where can I be put into a week long, medically induced comma? That should do the trick!

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Now thats funny!
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
help me out here. i don't see where filing a countersuit about naked shorting will change one single fact in the action the sec is bringing.

just big talk to divert attention away from what is really happening. JMHO. big hat - no cattle.
 

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
66inxs whats up with the signature about B-Ban? Seems a little "bashy" to me.
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I am posting this for the sake of consistency and perspective. Not trying to clog up the board.
This is a summation of Rufus' interview last night. Originally posted by JesusPower.

Tuesday, October 31, 2006

Rufus interview on SPR 10/30/06

1. The SEC wants this company buried. They actually have not wanted to settle out of court, that was a misunderstanding. Rufus is actually happy that they don't want to settle.

2. Rufus predicted 90% of what was going to happen. He fully expected them to do this and he is telling them, "They grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail!" They don't know what's coming.

3. I'm not surprised at anything they do to make it seem like it's a fraud.

4. The delisting is what's supposed to happen because all market makers have to re-file form 15c-211

5. They are not going to find ANY fraud in anything they've claimed as fraud! When they made those statements, they made a HUGE mistakes. They are not going to find anything wrong with the Venezuelan bonds, they are there and that's what they'll find.

6. Maurice Bennett, the lawyer for CSHD, is very intelligent and he's the best lawyer to deal with the claims against us as fraud.

7. I didn't need a lawyer to go to court the first time b/c I knew what I had and that's what the court wanted.

8. He's meeting with several lawyers on Tuesday to build a solid defense, but it's not really a defense, it's more of an OFFENSE! They have nothing to defend because they have what they say they have and the SEC is at fault and will be on the defense.

9. I want lawyers that are tigers and bulldogs that don't fear the SEC. They have to be willing to go and grab the SEC by the throat and fix this problem! I don't doubt one bit that I will find some that will do it.

10. We are going to file a counter-suit immediately against the SEC for hollering fraud when it is known that there is illegal short selling against CSHD.

11. I've told everyone from day 1 that we were going after them. It's being kicked up a notch now!

12. The SEC is still questioning the Bonds and is asking for documents and looking at documents. Rufus feels 100% confident and knows that they were shocked to find that he had a personal login to a portal on EUROCLEAR. He said they were confident until they heard that.

13. No questions were asked on the Deutsche bank deal. We'll see if they ask about it today. I'll be glad to answer anything they want, I'm not concerned one bit about any of the banks we are dealing with.

14. The banks are required to have their platforms before we work with them to manage our bonds. We've looked at several banks and went with the ones we thought best.

15. EUROCLEAR will give their depositions to the SEC at 1pm on Tuesday.

16. Rufus doesn't know Rudy Guiliani, but Sabra Dabbs does and he doesn't doubt. He said that he and his officers know people, that's all there is to it! No one needs to prove it, if you don't believe it, that's your problem!

17. Shareholders losing investment? Rufus said that nothing is FRAUD, we have what we say we have! Go look at the darkside of the looking glass on the internet, by Patrick Byrne on businessjive.com and you will understand! Why didn't the SEC move on us when we filed the $500 million or any 8k's. To be continued....
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18. You'd have to be a fool or an idiot to come on the radio and lie about this stuff.

19. Get ready for a movement in AMERICA everybody. This is the beginning of the end of short selling in America!

20. You will remember my name (RUFUS PAUL HARRIS) for the rest of your life you little shorties! You will stop stealing money from the little mom and pops investors. I'm here to make sure it's stopped!

21. Shareholders committee needs to step up and let the SEC know that they are protecting the interests of all shareholders and not going to let the SEC do this corruption!

22. The SEC wants to bury this company!

23. I need anybody to go out there and talk for me, you should now that by now!

24. The NYPOST came out with a line of bull crap starting stuff with our-street and started lies. HSM (www.**************.com) found out that several of these reporters are subpeonead by the SEC and were proven to be connected to short sellers!

25. The people on HSM have proven that they can do DUE DILIGENCE better than people that he's even paid to do it. They are a great asset to any CEO!

26. Rufus requested that this thing be over by the 7th.

27. Rufus to BILL HICKS, "Upon vindication, what kind of restitution can we expect on this. Bill Hicks "If you have 7.2 Billion in bonds, you have nothing to worry about!"

28. SIMON to Rufus, "Is there any family relationship to Rufus and former Georgia governor JOE FRANK HARRIS?" Rufus, "NO COMMENT!" *laughs*

29. Shareholder committee has representation of 13 million shares! That is enough to move forward with election of officers to the board of the shareholders committee.

30. I don't make points or opinions, I make FACTUAL STATEMENTS!

31. Why didn't Timothy Miles spend all the time to go to the SEC with all his crap and not go and pay $5 to

32. WE NEVER received a Cease and Desist letter from LEHMAN brothers, that was false. The note didn't even have anything to do with Lehman brothers. That proved it was propaganda, it showed how illogical it was!

33. Rufus thinks it would be great if every shareholder in this company could show up at the courthouse in Atlanta on the 7th.

34. Today the company showed to be deleted not delisted, but it's irrelevant b/c we are in court so what happens now does not need to be given much time.

35. Once we come out of court, EVERYTHING will be fixed.

36. As for trading by the 8th, we hope it will be sooner, we are going to hit them with everything we can.

37. I have no notion of resuming trading on any exchange except through the Market maker we have contracted. There is a process that has to be followed for market makers to sign on.

38. You will NOT regret your decision to be with this company.

39. The Shareholders committee is just a voice for the shareholders. They can be at every board meeting and vote and make recommendations to the board and take it to the shareholders. It is not a negative thing to have a committee.

40. As for shareholders flooding the SEC and offices of congress, "Use your voice, it's your right, draw attention to it! The FRAUD must be stopped! I don't want my mother to invest in anything that is fraud and lose money on it. There is too much TOXIC FUNDING going on in the world that is robbing shareholders blind.

41. The SEC stood in the courtroom and said that this was a massive pump and dump scheme and all Rufus could do was smile. He was prepared for this, that's why he doesn't even have a brokerage account. He's covered and has nothing to hide!

42. We will go congressional if we have to take it there! But it's already there, b/c this fraud MUST STOP! Use your voice!

43. The class action suit won't be against Rufus, if there is one! It will be against a BUNCH of people and the shareholders will get their money! We'll see to it!

44. We've started a movement! I told you it was coming! This is FUN, I'm enjoying every bit of it. I have no fear whatsoever!

45. The last time I was in this position in Broadban, I tried to do this same thing because it was my fiduciary responsibility to my shareholders.

46. The guy posing as Timothy Miles last night is in serious trouble. All others that are bashing the stock, they can't just say harmful things about the company and expect for it to just be ok. There will be consequences for their actions.

47. Rufus will ask the court to not allow the trading to continue if it's put on the pinksheets b/c he knows they want to run the price into the ground. We will deal with it.

48. The shareholders are INCREDIBLE and must band together and deal with it as a group.

49. The SEC is not above admitting they are wrong, they think they are, but if they find they are wrong, they will have to admit it!

50. The market makers that took part in the shorting will remember Rufus' name!

51. Those that want to buy shares, have to wait til it reopens on the market and they are going to have to buy at a higher price.

52. By Christmas, two joint ventures funded and on their way.

53. PPS, NO TELLING! It's going to be crazy coming out of this battle.

54. No concerns on more delays, suits/countersuits! The SEC's case is on the validity of the Venez. Bonds. That's it, we have their answers and I told my people today, let's move on and get some business done!

55. I would like for THE PRESIDENT of the US to sign on and get a committee started to look into this! *HERE WE GO!*

56. As for stock being completely delisted: "NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER! That would require the bonds to be fraud!"

57. Is Benson still part of the team? Rufus has not gotten anything about him resigning.
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
oddly enough, i was thinking up something else to use when you posted that. maybe we could both come up with something a little more friendly, if you catch my drift.
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
I got a signature for ya, "Rufus ain't no Dufus!"
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
help me out here. i don't see where filing a countersuit about naked shorting will change one single fact in the action the sec is bringing.

just big talk to divert attention away from what is really happening. JMHO. big hat - no cattle.

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
Originally Posted by dogman
Just a quick update for everyone about the shareholders committee. We now have 15,917,928 shares with 615 shareholders.

I have been in contact with TUT and would like everyones permission to have him on the Board Of Directors for the CSHD Share Holders Committee.

If you oppose this you are not a smart person. TUT knows more about this company than most and his level of DD is unmatched. His inteligence in business would be an asset to us. We are going to have a web page set up in the next day or so for a vote. I am working on the reply email to everyone that submitted their information to be on the committee. Please do not continue to try and have votes on the forum or argue about every board being represented as that is not possible. You will be heard no matter where you post. We are all a family and I consider anyone who is invested in this stock as such. We need to focus our efforts on making our calls, sending our letters and emails, as the company can use our help. Dont underestimate your power. We are a large group of registered voters that will be heard. Thanks to everyone for your response. It was overwhelming. I have faith in this company that they will emerge victorious and I pray that everyone has the same oppinion. Put your trust in Rufus and your faith in GOD.

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Haha right. Someone please tell Dogman i will think about that vote once i know who Tut is. Thats kind of arrogant of someone to think we would vote on a dead Egyptian. Im sure Tut would do well but i think ill wait to see who he is first.

If Tut is so confident about things i think its time for him to come clean
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Cat, I think tut is planning on "coming clean" today....per his post earlier.
tutankhamen
HSM Regular


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 371 Shareholders. I am going to speak on something important some time today. I think it is time we took some solid action to help this along for Rufus and I have certain things that can help this along with some solid forward movement because of who I am. You don't know who or what I am yet, but it is time someone took a more solid stance here. Do not take this message as a negative by any means. We are going to win this and you will be the winners by the time this comes to a head.

HSM is making a list of people from HSM only to be representatives of the shareholder committee....
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
that's craziness: voting for AN ONLINE PERSONA

vote for me instead:

 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
i thought that tut was one on mike alexander's cronies. might not be too smart to have him represent us on the board, so i guess i am not a smart person. how about st. matt? he has already proven himself and what he is willing to do, jmho.
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Originally Posted by billyf
IF you are interested in becoming a representative for the shareholder committee, PLEASE list your name within this message! TIA

1. Mr. Platoons
2. CPA
3. Private Placement
4. Redneckmother
5. TUT *by the request of dogman
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
Did anyone attend the deposition???
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
I asked them why HSM members were the only ones being considered and that there were qualified people on allstocks that could be beneficial.
Needless to say I didn't get a reply
 

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Posted by Tmoney on :
 
hey guys just a quick question, does Donald Trump have anything to do with this, was he one of the names mentioned with bill gates and others earlier on?
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

quote:

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
help me out here. i don't see where filing a countersuit about naked shorting will change one single fact in the action the sec is bringing.

just big talk to divert attention away from what is really happening. JMHO. big hat - no cattle.

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It changes everything. It forces to SEC to not continue to overstep their power here (in my opinion, they already have). It forces them to say..."Hey, they do owe the bonds...we better stop digging around or this could get ugly for us". The point is, they did not do their DD before the halt. They took the word of a criminal and ran with it. That shouldn't have happned. We CAN and WILL sue them for that. It gives us more leverage once they find out the bonds are legit. In other words...they have to start acting more like a Basset Hound than a Bulldog.

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quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
Cat, I think tut is planning on "coming clean" today....per his post earlier.
tutankhamen
HSM Regular


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 371 Shareholders. I am going to speak on something important some time today. I think it is time we took some solid action to help this along for Rufus and I have certain things that can help this along with some solid forward movement because of who I am. You don't know who or what I am yet, but it is time someone took a more solid stance here. Do not take this message as a negative by any means. We are going to win this and you will be the winners by the time this comes to a head.

HSM is making a list of people from HSM only to be representatives of the shareholder committee....

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Yea, i saw that. He said the same thing the day we got the "E" i think. Im not trying to come down on the guy im just a little tired of his riddles.

And, you need to be from HSM to be a rep? I know, this is a slow process thats being rapidly sped up but it needs to be thought through to SOME level. Im anxious to see what the next few days will bring but ill remain cautious.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
i dont think this shareholder commitee thing is a good idea. SO FAR there has been no talk about a secure voting platform (which is VERY important), there can be multiple shareholders assuming different names possibly assuming more than one vote, commitee would be vulnerable to corruption,.... and i just dont like the smell of it....Period. am i the only one that feels this way?
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 

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Originally posted by trade04:
i dont think this shareholder commitee thing is a good idea. SO FAR there has been no talk about a secure voting platform (which is VERY important), there can be multiple shareholders assuming different names possibly assuming more than one vote, commitee would be vulnerable to corruption,.... and i just dont like the smell of it....Period. am i the only one that feels this way?

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No, youre not. Hence my cautious behavior

And, im especially concerned about the HSM comment. Did i misunderstand that or are they really looking for HSM members for that? Cuz thats BS and wont fly. Whats to stop me or someone else for lobbying against HSM and get on board with the other boards and make our own committee. I hope thats just an oversight...a shareholder is a shareholder regardless of what board they use.
 

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Posted by sceptor on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by trade04:
i dont think this shareholder commitee thing is a good idea. SO FAR there has been no talk about a secure voting platform (which is VERY important), there can be multiple shareholders assuming different names possibly assuming more than one vote, commitee would be vulnerable to corruption,.... and i just dont like the smell of it....Period. am i the only one that feels this way?

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Originally posted by trade04:
Did anyone attend the deposition???

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I think the SEC was there.
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
st matt. maybe you are right. but i think that the basset hound took a mighty big bite out of the bulldog's butt, so the bull dog should respect the basset hound very much and watch him closely.

it isn't the size of the dog in the fight but the size of the fight in the dog that counts.

let's hope the sec isn't commiitted to go all the way on this and lets us go with a slap on the wrist.

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
I asked them why HSM members were the only ones being considered and that there were qualified people on allstocks that could be beneficial.
Needless to say I didn't get a reply

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That is pretty funny New2 you would think they would want this thing to succeed. Getting the politics seperated from the boards imediately would be the best course of action. It would take me less than a day to build a secure site of real names and a true voting console if delivered the database that has been created.

By no means do I want to represent the commitee but I will say that it is BS that they are assuming anyone will vote for screen names. I want real names, and background info of the key people interested in reporting to the BOD.

That is another thing I noticed about Dogmando post. He said he was recomending Tut to be on the BOD... Does he even know how this works? Rufus said last night it will be 3 people and they will report only to the BOD. They don't vote or sit on the BOD.
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 

By no means do I want to represent the commitee but I will say that it is BS that they are assuming anyone will vote for screen names. I want real names, and background info of the key people interested in reporting to the BOD.

have you guys seen behind Tuts golden mask? it's a mummy for crying out loud...

vote for me:

 

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
There is also no definitive answer as to how many shares people own. I could say that I own 20,000 shares and in fact only own 500.
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
I asked them why HSM members were the only ones being considered and that there were qualified people on allstocks that could be beneficial.
Needless to say I didn't get a reply

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Originally posted by Tmoney:
hey guys just a quick question, does Donald Trump have anything to do with this, was he one of the names mentioned with bill gates and others earlier on?

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
There is also no definitive answer as to how many shares people own. I could say that I own 20,000 shares and in fact only own 500.

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Originally posted by Tmoney:

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Originally posted by Tmoney:
hey guys just a quick question, does Donald Trump have anything to do with this, was he one of the names mentioned with bill gates and others earlier on?

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hey guys can you help me with this answer please, i cant find the page it was on

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Posted by glassman on :
 


if you vote for me? i promise each of you a banana in every pot...
what can Tut offer you? just some worn out furniture that's not even fit to use anymore...
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
New2? Add Taxback to the list for the voting thing...and offering to help with the website...

Portman? Tanks? You guys reading?
Tax...how about it?
 

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Posted by Tmoney on :
 
10of13 it was around that time period, but i cant remember what was said either, but i thought he name was mentioned in there
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Tmoney:

quote:

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Originally posted by Tmoney:
hey guys just a quick question, does Donald Trump have anything to do with this, was he one of the names mentioned with bill gates and others earlier on?

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hey guys can you help me with this answer please, i cant find the page it was on

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quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:


if you vote for me? i promise each of you a banana in every pot

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quote:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
that could be pretty slick, but it would not be a one day job. Hmmmmm.

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quote:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
A true site would have the ability for a CSHD staffer to double check the user share declaration versus the NOBO list. Or better yet a system that uses the NOBO list as entry to the site. Yeah now I am thinking. The entire known shareholder population, and registering with the site gives you secure login, and your share declaration is on the list. Personal information is cross checked and verified on registration.

that could be pretty slick, but it would not be a one day job. Hmmmmm.

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quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
New2? Add Taxback to the list for the voting thing...and offering to help with the website...

Portman? Tanks? You guys reading?
Tax...how about it?

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quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
New2? Add Taxback to the list for the voting thing...and offering to help with the website...

Portman? Tanks? You guys reading?
Tax...how about it?

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Apparently they only want HSM members on the list for reps.....they said that allstocks should start their own committe....per phil aka sceptor

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That is sad...so now we also have to worry about people being registered with both shareholder groups

Talk about unity...
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
seriously? i think a shareholder group is a good thing...

but you guys really do need to look at RESUMEs and make sure you aren't putting people in charge that Rufus or other insiders have already been working with...


and i am just joking about voting for me in case you didn't get that joke already...
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Really?
Wonderful! A bunch of 20 year olds running the show? That should be splendid!
All the more reason MY info was not sent...

Allstocks starting their own committee? Sorry but that's not a possiblity...YOU CAN'T have 2 flippin' shareholders committees...AND now lets' add IHUB and and the other 2 or so dozen message boards!

quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
New2? Add Taxback to the list for the voting thing...and offering to help with the website...

Portman? Tanks? You guys reading?
Tax...how about it?

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Apparently they only want HSM members on the list for reps.....they said that allstocks should start their own committe....per phil aka sceptor

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Originally posted by RichBy26:
I'm not sure what to think about this committee, or how to vote for someone we know nothing about, but I would like to chime in on the fact that if HSM thinks they will control the board by only voting for their members, they are sadly mistaken. Considering most of the DD done on that forum is copied and pasted from Allstocks, I would really like to see one of us contact dogman with our concerns. If we can compile a list of concerns we have I will forward them onto him and post his replies. We need to have a say in this committee because many of our members our apart of its formation, lets not let some copy and pasting ranters belittle us...

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
thanks jenna. great idea. no foul!!!!!

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quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
Originally Posted by billyf
IF you are interested in becoming a representative for the shareholder committee, PLEASE list your name within this message! TIA

1. Mr. Platoons
2. CPA
3. Private Placement
4. Redneckmother
5. TUT *by the request of dogman
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

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quote:

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Originally posted by SherriT:

quote:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
A true site would have the ability for a CSHD staffer to double check the user share declaration versus the NOBO list. Or better yet a system that uses the NOBO list as entry to the site. Yeah now I am thinking. The entire known shareholder population, and registering with the site gives you secure login, and your share declaration is on the list. Personal information is cross checked and verified on registration.

that could be pretty slick, but it would not be a one day job. Hmmmmm.

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I actually e-mailed several of the officers of CSHD when we were concerned about sharing personal information with dogmando in general. Asked if we could simply give him a name and e-mail and possibly have a staffer verify shares and that end of the committee. No response from anyone.

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i can't believe i sent all my info to him, he could sell it to marketing companies *#$%!!!! not to mention its my info
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
10of13 Honestly I do not want to be a rep for the shareholder comittee anyway. I have enough on my plate.

But here are some things that I see that are not going to help anyone. Say you claim 10% of the shareholders are in the comittee. Now you alienate 25% of that because you are arrogant and self absorbed. Then the stock starts trading and everyone gets there shares and a big sell off occurs. In the end you are just a big group of shareholders with no power to vote on anything.

A site which is prepopulated by all on the NOBO. Allows registration by cross checking the personal information you provide against the info in the NOBO. And then provides secure entry, and private honest voting power based on your % ownership would be the ultimate solution.

Additionally, periodic update by CSHD of the NOBO information would provide a stiff security system that would base your voting power and access to the site on your current ownership.

Now with all that being said. Could I build it. Yes easily. Would I build it. Not till this company gets out of trouble with the SEC and I have enough interest vested in the company to qualify the time and effort needed to build a great shareholder comitte system.

Heck I could even build it in a way to grow with the company and instantly create new comittee voting portals for all the spin-offs as they develop.

Oh yeah... and to be considered for the comittee representative position. I am sure one would have had to send their personal information to Dogmando which I have not done yet. (I was waiting to see how it was going to develop. Obviously I was right to do so. It is not off to a good start at this point.) 3 Days old and it is full of coruption, and lack of security.
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
I SAY IT SHOULD BE ST. MATT- WHY IS THAT ALLSTOCKS DOESN'T GET ANY CREDIT?

quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
Originally Posted by billyf
IF you are interested in becoming a representative for the shareholder committee, PLEASE list your name within this message! TIA

1. Mr. Platoons
2. CPA
3. Private Placement
4. Redneckmother
5. TUT *by the request of dogman
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
If your NOT on the commitee then don't worry about it, they have enough. The committee was formed to HELP "NOW!"

We have 7 days people...Need PRESSURE applied NOW.

You can sit on your thumb here, or DO SOMETHING.

Everyone can at least call IMO ~

First. Shareholders call Ronald Crawford at the Georgia division of the SEC at 404-842-7600 - Extension 7630 and lay your concerns very firmly. Do not take no for an answer and demand to speak to Ronald Crawford directly and do not settle for leaving a message. In the alternative also call Debbie Hampton also at the Georgia division at 404-842-7635 - direct line.

Secondly, call your Congressman and Senators and the Attorney General's office.

One thing is for sure, this board isn't going to make a call, the PEOPLE here have too...

Sitting hERE and talking will do nothing, yes you have good points but that's moot at this point.

"Time is our Enemy."

Apply pressure where you feel comfortable and where you think you can help, be it emails, phone calls or joining the list...

Tut is spearheading a phone jamming session, why not join in??????

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Originally posted by 10of13:
sherrieT? Who said the headquarters would be relocated? I heard Rufus looking into some property there...but I was under the impression that it was for personal use...

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quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Chart?
I think that there are several on this board that are emailing, Calling and sending snail mail...I have and am...
(One of the reasons I haven't been on here alot...)
I am sure that others are...

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I have...it's an election year here for Congress They ALL want my vote!
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Sorry Sherri...I misunderstood...Thanks...
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
There needs to be 3 people voted in right?

Glass, I would be glad to vote for you- you big gorilla you!

quote:

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Originally posted by glassman:


if you vote for me? i promise each of you a banana in every pot...
what can Tut offer you? just some worn out furniture that's not even fit to use anymore...

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quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
If your NOT on the commitee then don't worry about it, they have enough. The committee was formed to HELP "NOW!"

We have 7 days people...Need PRESSURE applied NOW.

You can sit on your thumb here, or DO SOMETHING.

Everyone can at least call IMO ~

First. Shareholders call Ronald Crawford at the Georgia division of the SEC at 404-842-7600 - Extension 7630 and lay your concerns very firmly. Do not take no for an answer and demand to speak to Ronald Crawford directly and do not settle for leaving a message. In the alternative also call Debbie Hampton also at the Georgia division at 404-842-7635 - direct line.

Secondly, call your Congressman and Senators and the Attorney General's office.

One thing is for sure, this board isn't going to make a call, the PEOPLE here have too...

Sitting hERE and talking will do nothing, yes you have good points but that's moot at this point.

"Time is our Enemy."

Apply pressure where you feel comfortable and where you think you can help, be it emails, phone calls or joining the list...

Tut is spearheading a phone jamming session, why not join in??????

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Well chart, have you called your Congressman and Senator?

Do you want people that you know nothing about representing the shareholders committee?
Come on chart....

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I've POSTED my letters right here!!]
Who ever is in the committe isn't going to "run anything.... They bring up OUR concerns to the board, or in this case, to use us as leverage to apply pressure.

-What don't you get?...
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Chart~You posted your letters, but did you send them? There isn't anything I don't get.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Chart said:
"I've POSTED my letters right here!!]
Who ever is in the committe isn't going to "run anything.... They bring up OUR concerns to the board, or in this case, to use all our us as leverage to apply pressure.

-What don't you get?..."

"our" concerns? That's what I don't get.."shareholders committee"? Turning into HSM poster committee? Having someone else represent what ALL want does not mean that that individuals should be from a certain message board...
Most of the people on ALL of these message boards are "clueless"...
But as you pointed out...I never sent my name...(granted...i never recieved a response to my questions from dogmando) I'm not to worry about it...?
Well I have done what I can do...made the calls and sent the letters...I spoke for myself...

Out for the day...have a good one guys!


 

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Posted by sceptor on :
 
Well nice to see there is twisting of information even on the boards considered above that type of crap.
new2stocks, why didnt you state what I actually said instead of distorting my comments to look as though allstocks was not welcome? 10of13 you may want to look on your own board before accusing others of being immature 20 year olds, I would suggest looking at your source of information first.

This is what I actually said. For what it's worth.
Originally Posted by phil

I would recommend forming one for allstocks and then having a vote-off for the final comittee. There is no way you will get a fair vote for people from allstocks on HSM. They simply have no exposure to them here.

You folks are complaining that HSM is forming a committee yet doing nothing more than that. If you want representation and feel like you arent getting it, form one. Just sitting around and finding ways to excuse your inactivity doesnt buy you anything but an excuse.

quote:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Really?
Wonderful! A bunch of 20 year olds running the show? That should be splendid!
All the more reason MY info was not sent...

Allstocks starting their own committee? Sorry but that's not a possiblity...YOU CAN'T have 2 flippin' shareholders committees...AND now lets' add IHUB and and the other 2 or so dozen message boards!

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quote:

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Originally posted by SherriT:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
[qb] New2? Add Taxback to the list for the voting thing...and offering to help with the website...

Portman? Tanks? You guys reading?
Tax...how about it?

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Apparently they only want HSM members on the list for reps.....they said that allstocks should start their own committe....per phil aka sceptor

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That is sad...so now we also have to worry about people being registered with both shareholder groups

Talk about unity...

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Posted by milliam on :
 
I'm not that big on how the shareholder committee has been done. I was quite leery to send my info, but I did anyway. It sounds like all they need is 10% of the shareholders (I'm assuming by share count) and they can form the committee. I wonder if they can then stop taking other members after that...I hightly doubt it.

Rufus also made it sound like the committee could just appoint 3 people. I believe I read where he said they don't have to be voted on. I agree that this doesn't seem like the way it should be done, but it sounds like it can be done that way.

I plan on looking up some info on shareholder committees. Rufus said we should look it up and see just how powerful they can be.

I wouldn't mind being a board rep or whatever it is. I live pretty close to the current headquarters and I hope to have lots of time on my hands after this thing runs up .
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Chart ~ "-What don't you get?..."

I don't get how they are going to regulate the voting power.

I don't get how they are going to campaign for position with out providing real names.

I don't get how they are going to proove to shareholders thet their vote is going to count towards anything.

I don't get a good idea that they understand what it is they are creating.

I don't get how an unorganized shareholder comittee will help this company.

I don't get how a few feel they can speak for all when they talk nothing but cryptic hearsay all day with little or no fact to back it up.

and

I don't get why you are defending it.

If it is so critical to get it up now then "s c r e w" the non-proovable vote. Have Dogmando pick three names out of the hat, and make a real plan to fix the entire thing later.

"Because it was built broke." ~ TB (Quote me on that!)
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
TB04 is correct....
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Chart ~ "-What don't you get?..."

I don't get how they are going to regulate the voting power.

I don't get how they are going to campaign for position with out providing real names.

I don't get how they are going to proove to shareholders thet their vote is going to count towards anything.

I don't get a good idea that they understand what it is they are creating.

I don't get how an unorganized shareholder comittee will help this company.

I don't get how a few feel they can speak for all when they talk nothing but cryptic hearsay all day with little or no fact to back it up.

and

I don't get why you are defending it.

If it is so critical to get it up now then "s c r e w" the non-proovable vote. Have Dogmando pick three names out of the hat, and make a real plan to fix the entire thing later.

"Because it was built broke." ~ TB (Quote me on that!)

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Sad thing is I have never had any issue with HSM... I was thinking of signing up and trying it out. Definitely putting a hold on that thought.

Anything to talk about regarding CSHD? This committtee thing is depressing.

Chart ~ Are you feeling alright? You seem to be a bit pumped up.

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
"Because it was built broke." ~ TB (Quote me on that!)

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:
New2...beat me to my own game...LOL See...we are good!!!

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

quote:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Chart ~ "-What don't you get?..."

I don't get how they are going to regulate the voting power.

I don't get how they are going to campaign for position with out providing real names.

I don't get how they are going to proove to shareholders thet their vote is going to count towards anything.

I don't get a good idea that they understand what it is they are creating.

I don't get how an unorganized shareholder comittee will help this company.

I don't get how a few feel they can speak for all when they talk nothing but cryptic hearsay all day with little or no fact to back it up.

and

I don't get why you are defending it.

If it is so critical to get it up now then "s c r e w" the non-proovable vote. Have Dogmando pick three names out of the hat, and make a real plan to fix the entire thing later.

"Because it was built broke." ~ TB (Quote me on that!)

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Great post!

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Chart ~ "-What don't you get?..."

I don't get how they are going to regulate the voting power.

I don't get how they are going to campaign for position with out providing real names.

I don't get how they are going to proove to shareholders thet their vote is going to count towards anything.

I don't get a good idea that they understand what it is they are creating.

I don't get how an unorganized shareholder comittee will help this company.

I don't get how a few feel they can speak for all when they talk nothing but cryptic hearsay all day with little or no fact to back it up.

and

I don't get why you are defending it.

If it is so critical to get it up now then "s c r e w" the non-proovable vote. Have Dogmando pick three names out of the hat, and make a real plan to fix the entire thing later.

"Because it was built broke." ~ TB (Quote me on that!)

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Great post!

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Here's what I get...

"THEY" have our Money..."
We have 7 days.

Peace ~

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"I" want my money...
7 days is OK by me, as long as "THEY" don't get to keep it

I have to do it, only because I haven't seen the quote in a while:

CSHD TO DA MOON!
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
I almost brought this up last night listening to Rufus, when he mentioned that three individuals needed to be elected. He also outlined the powers that shareholders in this three person committee would have. I knew that the voting for those three individuals would be an issue as soon as it was mentioned.

Go LISTEN to the interview last night. He clearly stated that the committee has NO MORE power than if an individual share holder called the company up and made a suggestion to Sabra, Mitch, Ben or Rufus himself. If the suggestion has merit, it will be discussed by the board. If it is something trivial or just downright ignorant, it will fall to the wayside. This sahreholder committee does not have any power to "force" the board into doing anything.

The ideas that Taxback outlined are the most logical and fair and definitly the most accurate way to go about having this committee setup. Something where votes are weighted by the number of shares you own, and ONLY current owners are allowed to vote. People should read what he had to say.

I don't know...at this point I'm glad I didn't send dogman my info because basically they would've been counting me for something I really didn't agree with.

Oh...and why on earth ANYONE, HSM'rs included, would vote for someone that didn't provide a resume with credentials and experience escapes me.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
Chart~You posted your letters, but did you send them? There isn't anything I don't get.

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:
Chart~You posted your letters, but did you send them? There isn't anything I don't get.

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I posted the RESPONSES.... wth?...
Always have ~

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Originally posted by glassman:
TB04 is correct....

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Agreed! The legitimacy of the process is very much in question; therefore, the legitimacy of the committee will also be in question. This would not be the ideal start for this committee!
 

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Did you see this one New2...well, at least one person read it...

Today, 02:16 PM #4065
iceman407
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 127

i think that st. Mathew guy from allstocks should be nominated also
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by CRab:
I almost brought this up last night listening to Rufus, when he mentioned that three individuals needed to be elected. He also outlined the powers that shareholders in this three person committee would have. I knew that the voting for those three individuals would be an issue as soon as I heard that.

Go LISTEN to the interview last night. He clearly stated that the committee has NO MORE power than if an individual share holder called the company up and made a suggestion to Sabra, Mitch, Ben or Rufus himself. If the suggestion has merit, it will be discussed by the board. If it is something trivial or just downright ignorant, if will fall to the wayside.

The ideas that Taxback outlined are the most logical and fair and definitly the most accurate way to go about having this committee setup. Something where votes are weighted by the number of shares you own, and ONLY current owners are allowed to vote. People should read what he had to say.

I don't know...at this point I'm glad I didn't send dogman my info because basically they would've been counting me for something I really didn't agree with.

Oh...and why on earth ANYONE, HSM'rs included, would vote for someone that didn't provide a resume with credentials and experience escapes me.

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quote:

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Did you see this one New2...well, at least one person read it...

Today, 02:16 PM #4065
iceman407
HSM Newbie

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 127

i think that st. Mathew guy from allstocks should be nominated also

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I just did...I was going to post it and saw that you did already!
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I'd be all for St.Matt as a rep. -if he wanted it.

Anyone else here considering?....
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

quote:

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Originally posted by CRab:
I almost brought this up last night listening to Rufus, when he mentioned that three individuals needed to be elected. He also outlined the powers that shareholders in this three person committee would have. I knew that the voting for those three individuals would be an issue as soon as I heard that.

Go LISTEN to the interview last night. He clearly stated that the committee has NO MORE power than if an individual share holder called the company up and made a suggestion to Sabra, Mitch, Ben or Rufus himself. If the suggestion has merit, it will be discussed by the board. If it is something trivial or just downright ignorant, if will fall to the wayside.

The ideas that Taxback outlined are the most logical and fair and definitly the most accurate way to go about having this committee setup. Something where votes are weighted by the number of shares you own, and ONLY current owners are allowed to vote. People should read what he had to say.

I don't know...at this point I'm glad I didn't send dogman my info because basically they would've been counting me for something I really didn't agree with.

Oh...and why on earth ANYONE, HSM'rs included, would vote for someone that didn't provide a resume with credentials and experience escapes me.

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Amen. You think like I do crab ~

Trouble is...
If we build the "perfect race car" it will not be done in time for the race... -So why bother?

When "Time" is put in the equation, it's logic weakens. What good is that perfect shined up racecar if the race is over?...

That is all I'm trying to say.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
I'd be all for St.Matt as a rep. -if he wanted it.

Anyone else here considering?....

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How about you, Chart?
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
I'd be all for St.Matt as a rep. -if he wanted it.

Anyone else here considering?....

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How about you, Chart?

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NO ~
Only if I could give it all the time it would take.

-No time, YOU of all people should know what I have on my plate...


 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
I understand where you're coming from Chart, but I've never been one to rush something for the sake of saying looky here what I did. I think we differ in how we define "race". For you it is obvious the 7th is the end. For me, at least right now...I'm thinking of the race as something much more long term. I feel confident that CSHD will hire the necessary lawyers, advisors, whoever and take the necessary steps to make us all a whole lot of money. Us having a shareholder's committee is not something that will cure cancer or eliminate naked shorting. It will show that the shareholders believe in the company, and want to actively participate in the goings on...LONG TERM. A shareholder committee full of flippers, and swing traders is hardly what I envision as something useful. Taking this slow and doing it the right way...the first time...will prove to be far more useful in the end.
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:

quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
I'd be all for St.Matt as a rep. -if he wanted it.

Anyone else here considering?....

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How about you, Chart?

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NO ~
Only if I could give it all the time it would take.

-No time, YOU of all people should know what I have on my plate...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Sandusky:
Vote for Pedro!

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Oh Dear! I'm sorry to say I know what that is from...
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I hear ya crab ~
Providing we get a positive outcome....

This is FAR from over, IMO pressure right now could divert "further" BS by the SEC, thereby giving us freedom for down the road. I still think we need to keep the horse in front of the cart, let's get over this hurdle first.

I don't think those boys are flippers, much like myself if this pans out I'll own that stock for many years to come!

Looking forward to MANY forward slits!

-and I wish everyone, all the best
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Sceptor/Phil said:
"You folks are complaining that HSM is forming a committee yet doing nothing more than that. If you want representation and feel like you aren't getting it, form one. Just sitting around and finding ways to excuse your inactivity doesn't buy you anything but an excuse."

Shareholders committee? I was under the impression that this is what was being formed?
I was also under the assumption that only one shareholder committee is "allowed"...per company...perhaps I am wrong...perhaps it is more "assumption" to say that "HSM, "Allstocks" "Ihub" or any other message board does not have the knowledge that is needed to simply jump in and make a bunch of "shareholders" committees.

I wish success to the "HSM committee"...I wish success to CSHD and I hope that all continue to do their part in bringing "concerns" to the appropriate people.

New2? Stir Fry for dinner?

 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
10, new2 makes a killer stirfry!!
OMG!!

Good thing too after days like this!! LMAO!

 

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Posted by Sandusky on :
 
Yeah, that's what the HSM comittee thing reminds me of...

quote:

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Originally posted by SherriT:

quote:

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Originally posted by Sandusky:
Vote for Pedro!

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Oh Dear! I'm sorry to say I know what that is from...

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
10, new2 makes a killer stirfry!!
OMG!!

Good thing too after days like this!! LMAO!

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Thanks chart!
 

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Posted by Fredgrasshopper on :
 
After all thats going on and we still close even for the day. A sign of strength. IMHO
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

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Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
After all thats going on and we still close even for the day. A sign of strength. IMHO

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Not funny, that was just not even funny....


 

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Posted by JHenry on :
 
Sorry, I'm not interested in joining a HSM comittee. I'm on Allstocks. If it was connected to the cvsu.us website or say even a link on their website I may be more inclined to sign up.
 

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Posted by JHenry on :
 
It's funny Yahoo can't decide whether the symbol is CSHD.OB or CSHD.PK. It's been flip-flopping the Headlines back and forth all day.
 

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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 

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Originally posted by SherriT:

quote:

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Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
After all thats going on and we still close even for the day. A sign of strength. IMHO

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Not funny, that was just not even funny....

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Originally posted by Stockstar69:

quote:

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Originally posted by SherriT:

quote:

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Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
After all thats going on and we still close even for the day. A sign of strength. IMHO

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Not funny, that was just not even funny....

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No, not funny...but true none the less. Hey at least it's not going down.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
I hear ya crab ~
Providing we get a positive outcome....

This is FAR from over, IMO pressure right now could divert "further" BS by the SEC, thereby giving us freedom for down the road. I still think we need to keep the horse in front of the cart, let's get over this hurdle first.

I don't think those boys are flippers, much like myself if this pans out I'll own that stock for many years to come!

Looking forward to MANY forward slits!

-and I wish everyone, all the best

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Once again I think they have done a good job of showing shareholder unity to date. 15M in 600 some odd share holders in just a few days. (Not to sound like the Guiness Guys.) Brilliant!

But honestly get it set-up choose the three leaders. Show the strength in 7 days, and then get ready to build it right.

Currently, the way it is planned it is not going to last with out an enormous amount of foot work required by the leadership. I am not interested in setting up a permanent system for a company in CSHD's situation. It is too time consuming to get it thrown together and then disolved because of a botched defense. This one by Dogmando is perfect for the use at hand. Pick three people and go with it.

I just want my "FU" money, and when I have it and more I will easily quit the day job and build it probono. Of course while trading my new wealth, and holding CSHD for the long haul.

TB
 

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Posted by mo-rydr on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by CRab:
I understand where you're coming from Chart, but I've never been one to rush something for the sake of saying looky here what I did. I think we differ in how we define "race". For you it is obvious the 7th is the end. For me, at least right now...I'm thinking of the race as something much more long term. I feel confident that CSHD will hire the necessary lawyers, advisors, whoever and take the necessary steps to make us all a whole lot of money. Us having a shareholder's committee is not something that will cure cancer or eliminate naked shorting. It will show that the shareholders believe in the company, and want to actively participate in the goings on...LONG TERM. A shareholder committee full of flippers, and swing traders is hardly what I envision as something useful. Taking this slow and doing it the right way...the first time...will prove to be far more useful in the end.

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quote:

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
a lot of us post on both boards so lets make sure chart and st. matt get on the committee over on hsm. do we vote our shares like a proxy on the commitee or is it one vote per person?

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quote:

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Originally posted by trade04:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
After all thats going on and we still close even for the day. A sign of strength. IMHO


LOL now THATS funny. much funnier than doniboy imo (lol)

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Well yea, funnier than Doniboy for sure. Maybe not like Simpsons funny but i follow ya
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Whats with this guy that just makes ya go hmmmm?

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Whats with this guy that just makes ya go hmmmm?

Today, 05:49 PM #4307
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quote:

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Whats with this guy that just makes ya go hmmmm?

Today, 05:49 PM #4307
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Why wouldn't they show?

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I think Rufus just likes to see the SEC guys squirm.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Nothing else?... just he he?...
wtf.

I'm going to have a beer....
(New2 your phone isn't working, call me please)
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Originally Posted by RufusPaulHarris

He made some smiley faces and booyas
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
And then this....assuming it works


didnt work. He added a post with thumbs ups, smilies and smoking smilies heh

Ok, i need some time away. I will surely check back in a few.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
why was he so vague in his post? not cool...
 

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Posted by mo-rydr on :
 
Some of you guys are not really listening to Rufus.
* He is happy that the SEC took this to court, he expected it.
* He wants this to go to Congressional Hearings.
* He HAS THE GOODS, he wants to press the point of SEC's ineptness at prosecuting the REAL BADGUYS.

Rufus should be wearing a white hat, that's what he'll be wearing in the movie.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
only character i can think of right now to play rufus is the guy from boogie nights "thats my *#$%IN wife" - line in the movie dont know his name.
 

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Posted by a surfer on :
 

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Originally posted by sam$:

quote:

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
a lot of us post on both boards so lets make sure chart and st. matt get on the committee over on hsm. do we vote our shares like a proxy on the commitee or is it one vote per person?

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one vote per share owned, i beleive!

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Originally posted by a surfer:

quote:

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Originally posted by sam$:

quote:

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Originally posted by 66inxs:
a lot of us post on both boards so lets make sure chart and st. matt get on the committee over on hsm. do we vote our shares like a proxy on the commitee or is it one vote per person?

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one vote per share owned, i beleive!

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What if the person that bought 50000 shares when it was FHAL and was only .04 which = $2000.

Versus someone who bought 50000 shares at $2.00 which = $100,000.

Shouldn't the person with 50 times the money invested have more say.... LOL


I am just bringing up another way to look at this.

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Originally posted by trade04:
yea apparantly there is amajority share holder that has been voting on recent merger agreements according to you know who thats proxy votes, the more shares you have the more votes. doesnt matter if you paid more....

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And if this is the case for the shareholders' committee, then maybe when the halt is lifted and we open with 6 extra shares per, and if there is a bit of a selloff, then there could be an extra incentive for some shareholders to buy more shares to increase their say in the company (this being their last chance to buy shares at a relatively low price), that would help increase the buying pressure at that time.
You Go those power hungry among us.
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 
I think the shareholder commitee was formed to have one vote per share holder, because obviously some1 didnt like the fact that one person had all the say. almost like a democratic vote. funny earlier when we were talking about this and the hsm election for shareholder reps, i was gonna say we might have enough time to hold campaigns an still not miss a day of trading (He He)
 

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Posted by 3403 on :
 
Forget the committee, did we prove we have the bonds yet?
 

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Posted by trade04 on :
 

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Originally posted by 3403:
Forget the committee, did we prove we have the bonds yet?

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Rufus isn't speaking yet. could be a good or bad thing...just my prediction (lol)
anyway...


 

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Posted by minkybodl on :
 
rufus on spr now. is it a replay? I didnt hear it last night.
 

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Posted by minkybodl on :
 
yup replay,
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I believe SPR will be live at 7 (6:30 here now)
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Tut is signed into HSM, but hasn't posted his "big news" yet.... FWIW
 

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Posted by Spooky on :
 
SPR is live at the moment. No callers yet, just going through the typical chart eval.
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
Thanks spooky, wondered what time zone they were.
Surfing for news, yell if anything happens eh?
(station is full)
 

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Posted by minkybodl on :
 
Chart maybe you can answer this or point me in the right direction on where to look, I watched the darkside vid but didnt find it there.
I have no experience on shorting a stock and there is something I have been wondering about. I understand the shorts are hurt by having to pay back the 6 for 1 shares, but what happens from there and who profits from it. If the brokeage sold a share short, reg or naked, that the shorter pays back who would get the extra shares? Does the Brokeage firm profit at the expense of the shorter, or do the extra shares go back to the company, CSHD, somehow? I get the impression that the shorter and brokeage selling it are both disadvantaged, but dont fully understand the process with the MM's in the middle. Sorry if the answer is so simple this sounds stupid. Any answer or links appreciated.
 

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Posted by Spooky on :
 

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Originally posted by Chartwalker:
Thanks spooky, wondered what time zone they were.
Surfing for news, yell if anything happens eh?
(station is full)

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Count on it.

Someone asked Simon if the Euroclear no-show was a good bad or indifferent thing. He replied... I don't know. Some people are trying to spin it as a good thing, if they want to believe that it is their prerogative... but it doesn't make sense to me (Simon). The real question is what does Rufus think?
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 
I think what you want you'll see in the 10Q, a breakdown of the stock. Since Rufus said this ISN'T a divi or a split, I have to say I need more info myself to answer anything as fact or "for sure."

As it stands, alot of people were sold "air" so the only ones who have benefited are the ones who sold air for millions of dollars...

Now when we are on the other side of this, we win. That much is pretty cut and dry.

When changing exchanges, evidently the FTD's will "have to" be covered in 48 hours, but since there may not be enought shares for that, -that is what's in question.

Rufus called it a "short elimination"

Again, have to wait for more info on how they intend to work this out...

Bottom line is, someone is going to make alot of money (hopefully us!) and someone is going to loose money (hopefully them!).

That's about it in a nutshell ~
 

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Posted by minkybodl on :
 
thanks
 

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Posted by Chartwalker on :
 

 

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Posted by T e x on :
 
Strong winds took out my phone/DSL...just now back up. Did I miss anything?

I left it as the reports from the Allen, TX meeting were beginning to trickle in...
 

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Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
Padre passed this information on to me. I think it would be a good idea to make this a campaign issue.

Info from his political web site http://www.spitzerpaterson.com/

spitzer*spitzer.com
212.529.2006
212.979.2607
330 Madison Ave, 19th Floor, New York, NY 10017

http://www.spitzerpaterson.com/image...185/27_big.jpg

Eliot and David accept their party's nomination at the New York State Democratic Party convention in Buffalo on Tuesday, May 30, 2006. Pictured are (left to right): Silda Wall Spitzer; Eliot Spitzer; David Paterson; Michelle Paige Paterson.

http://www.spitzerpaterson.com/image...185/44_big.jpg


Campaign Issue? His opponent found here

Albany Campaign Headquarters
P.O. Box 10278
Albany, NY 12201

518.465.2006
518.465.2007 (fax)

info*johnfaso.com (email)

New York City Office
885 2nd Ave.
15th Floor
New York, NY 10017

212.584.2006
212.584.2015 (fax)
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LINKS TO IMPORTANT CONTACT INFO


Addresses http://www.**************.com/forums...47&postcount=2

Addresses part 2 http://www.**************.com/forums...49&postcount=3

Phone #'s http://www.**************.com/forums...60&postcount=7
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Driver? I'm confused
 

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Posted by Spooky on :
 
huh? what was that all about Driver4t4?
 

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Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
sorry 10, cut and paste from hsm, people to contact regarding the sec and thier actions..
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Thanks driver..I take it whoever posted it wants to make the SEC investigation a Campaign Issue? A little late for that..I think...
But hey if anyone from NY wants to look further...see what waves can be made...
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Not real sure how this could possibly be a good thing??? BUT? he seems to think they will be moving forward with all of it...?

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Whats with this guy that just makes ya go hmmmm?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
HELLO RUFUS!!!! Any body in there???? Euroclear not showing up isn't funny!!!! I'm getting tired of the drama.........

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quote:

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Originally posted by Ett3Forever:
thats because cshd.ob no longer exists. it is cshd.pk now.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Ett3Forever:
that is the delist/relist situation that was discussed yesterday for wayyyyy too long.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Spooky:
Relevant to CSHD? not that I've found tonight. I really wish Rufus would have either avoided that post or given some more information. Leaving it like he did is not helpfull

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Originally posted by T e x:

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Originally posted by Spooky:
Relevant to CSHD? not that I've found tonight. I really wish Rufus would have either avoided that post or given some more information. Leaving it like he did is not helpfull

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what was the post?

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
HEY.....Whats all this now

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by trade04:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
After all thats going on and we still close even for the day. A sign of strength. IMHO


LOL now THATS funny. much funnier than doniboy imo (lol)

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Well yea, funnier than Doniboy for sure. Maybe not like Simpsons funny but i follow ya

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quote:

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Originally posted by Ett3Forever:
no. it is still halted, just put to the pink sheets until the trial is over and the MMs back the stock again, putting us onto the NASDAQ (feel free to correct me if im wrong people).

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mariner:
Euroclear was a no show he- he????? Somehow this is funny???? Are you kidding me????

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mariner:
He's a con! Come on people. I have lost 10's of thousands of dollars on this ***hole and his bull****. Remember Bill Clinton? He would look you stight in the eye and tell you the sky was green. People would believe him and vote for him. Let's not be a bunch of suckers, or are we already? It's over people. Thank goodness for write-offs.

If Euroclear was a no-show, then we probably won't have a hearing on the 7th which is what that jerk wanted all along. If there is one, I will be there. The bonds are real? Anyone make a call lately to the "officers" of the company? Anyone answering? Thought not. Thanks redneck!

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Relevant to CSHD? not that I've found tonight. I really wish Rufus would have either avoided that post or given some more information. Leaving it like he did is not helpfull

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what was the post?

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The post 10of13 aluded to a bit ago:

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Today, 05:49 PM #4307
RufusPaulHarris
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Georgia
Posts: 71 EuroClear was a no show at 1:00 conference. He He

Will update as we move forward.
__________________
GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris
Chief Executive Officer
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Harris*cshd.us

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Tex - Where did you leave off I will try to give you the run down without you reading a bunch of pages....

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What I'm "late to the party" about is signficance... what does this "mean," one way or another?

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Originally posted by Spooky:

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What I'm "late to the party" about is signficance... what does this "mean," one way or another?

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Haven't seen anything I would call even plausible in that regard yet.

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Originally posted by T e x:

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Originally posted by Spooky:

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What I'm "late to the party" about is signficance... what does this "mean," one way or another?

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Haven't seen anything I would call even plausible in that regard yet.

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so why the costernation?

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Oh, you might have missed this. Rufus was on SPR last night and mentioned that Ben would be deposed in the morning and that at 1:00 this afternoon the SEC was supposedly deposing Euroclear.

That comment which Rufus posted is the only sort of outcome we have heard so far. A lot of people are trying to understand what it means, because I think its easy to imagine that it could be interpreted as a bad thing.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Jenna ~ You know everyone should be on vacation right now, and if they are not it is because it is hard to take your eyes off this car wreck.

If Euroclear didn't show it is not Rufus's fault. They are not helping Rufus by this action, but I doubt it is going to make much of a difference if they have a password into the system. If anything Euroclear is making a statement.

What statement? They most likely are aware of what the SEC is looking for and if they thought Rufus was using their good name unfairly. They would be more than happy to give the SEC the info they need get him off their coattails. Since they blew off the meeting, they must be saying that they are not very happy with the SEC trying to strong arm them into a Depo. They will most likely talk for Rufus but are going to do it on their terms not the SEC's.

This posturing is pretty funny, especially since Euroclear has already said no to a Depo and now are blowing off a forced Depo. IMO this deserves a "HeHe" from a first hand witness. And a "Crap!" from myself LOL

Don't sweat it... what can we do anyway except wait.
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tex- this is the rundown of Rufus on SPR last night.....at the meeting Rufus told everyone that the SEC wants to settle but last night he said that wasn't the case it was a miscommunication between one of his officers & the SEC. He also said he's been approached by 2 banks regarding merges & approached by someone for a movie deal. If I think of more I'll let you knoe in the mean time here is the radio show breakdown:

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Originally posted by 10of13:
SPR on October 30th
Thanks Spooky, Tax, Chart, Fhal and a couple of others...
~Simon: move to NASDAQ?
Rufus: Not gonna comment on that right now
~R: Delist is just another step in the SEC process
~R: We got to tackle one horse at a time. Right now the SEC is our hourse.
~R: The delist is related to the investigation.
~R: He is pulling the comment on the SEC requesting a settlement. Today was a deposition.
~R: SEC wants to bury the company to bury the short sales. They want to draw focus away from it.
~R: The questioning today gave him the feel that they were a bit scared that they(SEC) might have made a mistake.
~R: said at the meeting that one of his officers told him the SEC wanted to settle and he said it was a misunderstanding
~R: Says they (sec) have made a HUGE mistake that they made (not believeing the bonds), but thinks that they will try to slap some minor thing on him to save face, like speaking without a PR out.
~R: Maurice is not an SEC attourney he is a criminal attourney. He is the man Rufus leanson when he is dealing with criminals. Did not take an attourney with him because he had not recieved a single document from the SEC before court, and he would not do that to an attourney.
~R: They are not on Defense, they are on Offense and he wants tigers at this stage of the game.
~R: wants to prove to a Bulldog attorney that everything is real and that they will go after the SEC, wants them to not be afraid, says he wants to take them to court for the short selling and that this is the best thing for us that could have happened.
~R: He is going to file a motion against the SEC and is going to ask for a Congressional hearing to lookinto the illegal short selling of the stock.
~R: He ga ave them porthole login into Euroclear
~R: Euroclear delivers their depo to the SEC at 1PM EST tomorrow.
~R: Nothing that has been presented has been frawd. Look at the Darkside of the looking glass.
~R: And when I said you would remember my name for the rest of your life. I meant it you little short hairs. You will remember me for the rest of your life.

S: Have you recieved a C&D from D Bank?

R: No, I have not recieved a C&D from D Bank
~R: SEC wants this company to go away. They are not looking into anything.

R: Anthony was right when he described the Delist/Relist. I do not know Anthony. He is not on the payroll
~He was very pleased with what Judge said and did, told judge he had a ton of respect for him.
~R: We got the best possible senario they could out of the first hearing. Who is to say it would have come out that way if I had representation?

R: Bill Hicks said if you have 7.2B you have no worries.

S: Is there any relation to former GA Gov. Joe Frank Harris?
R: Rufus said no comment.
~R: If you are an investor you need to ask why are they doing this?

R: Why would RPH make documents public months in advance?

S: Wondering why Tim Miles wouldn't go check out the files at GA Court web site?

R: No we have not recieved a C&D from Lehman Bros. They do not have anything to do with the note
~Georgia web site..

R: Why would I go and put all that stuff there?
So they can arrest me quicker? So give them a reason to arrest me? GIVE them proof?!!
Doesn't make sense for me to do that if I'm a fraud...
~Will CSHD resume trading Nov 8th...

R: I don't know.. Would like it sooner
~R: Stands behind the $12.60.

S: Are there any negative reprocussions to forming a shareholder committee? Give up their right to sue? ect.
R: No, no, no... just a way to participate in the company activities.
~R: Use your voice... draw attention to this.
R: Do you think if i was comitting frawd that I would want national attention? That is some illogical chit!
~R: This is going to be a Congressional issue.
~R: This is going to be big and I am glad you are all on the books
~Q will we be a graysheet stock?
A I don't want it to trade until clear, that's what they want, is us to go away. They want to lock my ass up! We are in court and we won't stop.
~R: We have found out some neat little stuff about Timothy Miles. Should be some interesting stuff happening there.
S: Can you promise to not allow this to trade as a Gray Sheet.
R: I am going to request that it does not trade until this is straightened out.
S: You are going to ask them not to allow the stock to trade.
R: That is true. I want it to trade aa a reputible company again.
R: It would be harmful to the shareholders if they allow it to open anything less than where it was before the investigation.
~R: Is going to ask for restitution for false claims.
S: Did you just threaten Timothy Miles?
R: Did I?
R: I think I have threatend lots of people. it is not a threaten, it is a promise.
~said the movement is started..
Others have gitten DTCC lists and compared the numbers (to NOBO) and are seeing they don't add up...
Mark your calendar siad Rufus, this is the start of the change.
~S: I think I should invest in ADP.
R: I don't know about that when the first file they sent me was in triplicate? They haven't done that since.
S: Do you think you are acting in the shareholers best interest.
R: (long answer) yes I do.
~Rufus has enough college credit hours from the Air Force to qualify for a degree, but does not have a formal degree.
~S: CVSU stock that Furia owns are they in offshore accounts?
R: No, no way Furia does not have any off shore accounts.
J: Total count 13M
R: james you have enough of a percentage for the comittee.
S: Now what?
R: They need to vote for three share holders to represent them.
~S: Can these three get insider info?
R: No it does not work that way. Information does not go through them.
~S: Shareholders want a $10 dividend. Could they put it up for a vote?
R: Yes anything you want, you get it to the three individuals. They do not hear back until after the board vote.
~S: Will the three sit on the board?
R: No they will report to the board, not sit on it.
R: There will be committee members that will be added.
R: Now the commeitee member will be privy to the insider info. They will be paid members.
~J: I need Ben's email address so he can forward info.
R: BenStanley*CSHD.com
S: If people think the shareholder comittee is illegal. Where would you send them?
R: the Internet
~S: What should shareholders look for next.
R: Look around it is happening. Look for congressional hearings. Senator probes. Companies looking to know who their shareholders are.
S: What happens if a short is unable to cover because of financial reasons. What chapter 11? Will that save them?
R: Pray for them. You can't just go after one of them. Once the ball starts rolling you can't stop it.
~S: Everyone is liable. Do you mean liquidation of everyones assets?
R: I don't know. They are bleeding right now. They are screaming right now.
R: No one has calculated the average weight volumes since this thing started. Who has it? I know I don't have it. CSHD does not have it? Who has it?
~S: Can you give your estimate for when the stock will resume trading and the stock PPS estimate?
R: I do not know. ASAP As soon as it is possible following the SEC investigation.
S: Have CEO's been giving you a call about the suit.
R: Yes I have had several. they say thay are CEO of this such and such corporation and I see that you are stopping this NSS. Can you help.
~S: would you team up with other companies
R: Oh yeah now... Where were you when this started? Jump on the bandwagon.
S: Where do you see this at Christmas this year?
R: Two JVs funded by end of DEC, PPS? aaah I don't know. It is going to be crazy after this.
S: I have concerns that this will be drawn out with suits and counter suits. Are you worried?
R: No. The SEC's case is based on the bonds being Frawd and they are not.
~S: The first day could be on or before Nov 7th
R: God be willing.
R: I am going to be wrapping this up pretty quickly.
S: Are you concerned that the stock would be revoked.
R: For that to happen the bonds would have to be a frawd. And that sir they are not.
~S: If people have two accounts do they have their name on the NOBO multiple times.
R: That could be people with multiple types of accounts.
R: NOBO is a way for us to find out what is out in the market.
S: Reorg shares still there?
R: Yes we can not pull that back. Just on hold til this SEC thing is over.
~S: Is rufus excited about people showing up for the hearing.
R: Yes.
S: Does the company have any DNO Ins.
R: No.
S: Is that something you in hindsight now regret.
R: No... We have billions in bonds why do we need Ins?
~S: Do you think you will move the company from keneshaw to Dallas?
R: I have no doubt about that. It's Gods Country.
S: Allstocks is listening tonight... (My input )
R: Ben Stanley has a meeting with them tomorrow, and Euroclear has a depo with them. After that there is nothing scheduled till the 7th.
S: Please do not let Tut post things from Ben on HSM. it is confusing and hersay information.
R: i am not aware of what Tut is posting. Ben does not give out insider info. I am sure it is just Tut's feeling from the conversations.
~S: Is there a plan for any Press release, news or events before the 7th?
R: Yes.
S: Do you mind shareholders contacting the media regarding the Investigation?
R: I don't mind if all the media is on this.
R: Use your voice.
R: I am the true definition of a Georgia Bulldog. We do not let go until you cut the head off. And then you still have to pry the jaws off.
R: I would bring over a Euroclear expert if their investigation comes up different.

R: 14C I want to address that... you are asuming that shareholders are the majority shareholder. that is not that case at the

R: H&S did send us a C&D through efax. And we talked to a couple of people. Was it from them? I never talked to the guy on the bottom. I talked to Steven Canady, and told him "Dude, you can't send a C&D on this. You would be comitting security frawd. He never said that he sent it. They do not know for sure where it came from.
R: Mensah has been difficult to find and serve. I have heard he has been served at this time. He has not served us.
S: Either we hit a home run and provide proof of the bonds, or we are done on Nov 7th. True or False.
R: True.

~There may be more but I was goin' to bed...

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Originally posted by humble:
At some point each of us will need to do a gut check to remember which parts of our own research caused us to buy and hold a position in CSHD. For some that point is past due.

If you bought CSHD based solely on the vibe and posts of this board, you are a foolish investor and deserve whatever fortune Lady Luck throws your way. Next time, take your money to Vegas and at least get free drinks.

If your attitude about this stock teeters between euphoria and disgust based on a post/PR, or lack thereof, you should not have reached this point. However, you did and you will be forced to endure the unfolding events along with the rest of us; but don't blame anyone but yourself.

None of us can predict the future. We do our best to uncover and absorb all available information in an effort to make the best possible decisions for ourselves and our families. It is unrealistic to expect to be able to foresee every turn in the road in a play like this. We are involved in something much bigger than a swing play or a quick buck. I know some (most) people here have been trained to think that way as it is the nature of trading high risk penny stocks. If you have been following along at all, though, you would have known that this is not that type of play.

The risk here is no higher than any other penny but the reward is perceived to be exponentially higher. That alone make this a good deal and that is precisely the reason we are all here. For the risk of losing the same money we might have invested and lost in any number of other stocks, we have bought a ticket for something potentially life changing for many people. You bought the dream in addition to the stock. Admit it and be comfortable in your decision.

Finally I will suggest to everyone to keep your eyes on the bigger picture. For all the speculation I see about how this SEC investigation might turn out I think some people have forgotten that there are powerful people watching these proceedings, people that want to see a victory for Rufus and CSHD. Forget the SEC thing, it will be over soon enough.

In today's business climate, who would you rather have working for you, a brilliant CEO or a connected one. Maybe Rufus is a little of both but I will take the connections any day. Take some time to really get into the political climate in Georgia. You will discover, two common threads, a deep devotion to religion and a heaping helping of cronyism. The deeper you dig the more you will see how these folks stick together. They will not let one of their own burn.

For all the information we get from PRs, 8Ks and the Rufus blatherings on HSM, there is more information we simply cannot see, insider info, things that must be kept secret until the time is right. There are strategies and contingency plans that have been developed over the last two years. Let the CSHD management execute their plan without causing them more grief than is already inherent in the business in which they are engaged. You gave them your money, now let them work for you.

Hang in there through these uncertain times and we'll get some information soon. Maybe not as soon as some would like but the game being played here does not revolve around the Christmas money you got tied up in here. Things will happen when they happen and no sooner. The only thing we can do in the mean time is continue following any leads presented to us, continue raising public awareness, and, most of all, maintain a sense of civility toward each other.

... In My humble Opinion

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Humble,

not looking for a fight, but that post sounds like a walk the long way around the building...

are you saying shareholders bought a lotto ticket, so they should calm down?
 

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Posted by glassman on :
 
Tex says: Humble,

not looking for a fight, but that post sounds like a walk the long way around the building...

are you saying shareholders bought a lotto ticket, so they should calm down?

funny question Tex...

the way i read it? every single stock play isand always has been a lotto ticket...

read your brokers agreements....
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex?
Humble's post...he sums it up...in the last few sentences..
Hang in there through these uncertain times and we'll get some information soon. Maybe not as soon as some would like but the game being played here does not revolve around the Christmas money you got tied up in here. Things will happen when they happen and no sooner. The only thing we can do in the mean time is continue following any leads presented to us, continue raising public awareness, and, most of all, maintain a sense of civility toward each other.

And the very spelled out..
In My Humble Opinion...

AND? yeah...lottery ticket...we are just waiting on the numbers to be drawn...
 

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Posted by humble on :
 

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Originally posted by T e x:
Humble,

not looking for a fight, but that post sounds like a walk the long way around the building...

are you saying shareholders bought a lotto ticket, so they should calm down? [/QB]

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax - So in other words, Euroclear will not be "Bullied" by the SEC?

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Let me give you a bit of the picture as I know it. As Dog put it so well about a week ago. Euroclear is high finance.

"If the Treasury Department wants to fund an ailing government. They transfer the funds through Euroclear."

How would the regulating body of the U.S. Security markets have any authority over this system. And they subpeaoned them? Who is going to arrest them? God?
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Mr. CATIAEngineer ~ I can't PM but I can read them. I hear you. No worries.
 

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LOL...
Wait...IF NO ONE can "dis-prove" that CSHD owns the bonds... This whole thing is tossed out the window? That's what Rufus was "he heing" and would let us know as "we" move forward?
(this is where you might put Jenna's siggy~"It's so simple, It's stupid!")
The only problem would then be getting an MM to believe that CSHD owns the bond...

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax - So in other words, Euroclear will not be "Bullied" by the SEC?

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Let me give you a bit of the picture as I know it. As Dog put it so well about a week ago. Euroclear is high finance.

"If the Treasury Department wants to fund an ailing government. They transfer the funds through Euroclear."

How would the regulating body of the U.S. Security markets have any authority over this system. And they subpeaoned them? Who is going to arrest them? God?

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Originally posted by 10of13:
LOL...
Wait...IF NO ONE can "dis-prove" that CSHD owns the bonds... This whole thing is tossed out the window? That's what Rufus was "he heing" and would let us know as "we" move forward?
(this is where you might put Jenna's siggy~"It's so simple, It's stupid!")
The only problem would then be getting an MM to believe that CSHD owns the bond...

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax - So in other words, Euroclear will not be "Bullied" by the SEC?

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Let me give you a bit of the picture as I know it. As Dog put it so well about a week ago. Euroclear is high finance.

"If the Treasury Department wants to fund an ailing government. They transfer the funds through Euroclear."

How would the regulating body of the U.S. Security markets have any authority over this system. And they subpeaoned them? Who is going to arrest them? God?

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10...I agree with you to a point .... My question to you and everyone here is "What good can possibly come out of Euroclear not showing up to support our case ? I believe that not showing up for a deposition can only hurt our case. I think all of you know how much I hope I am wrong but I pray there is some type of explanation. For Rufus to say what he did today without explaining is borderline cruel All I can say is PLEASE Rufus "Go easy on us"
 

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Posted by T e x on :
 

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Originally posted by glassman:
Tex says: Humble,

not looking for a fight, but that post sounds like a walk the long way around the building...

are you saying shareholders bought a lotto ticket, so they should calm down?

funny question Tex...

the way i read it? every single stock play isand always has been a lotto ticket...

read your brokers agreements....

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Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex?
Humble's post...he sums it up...in the last few sentences..
Hang in there through these uncertain times and we'll get some information soon. Maybe not as soon as some would like but the game being played here does not revolve around the Christmas money you got tied up in here. Things will happen when they happen and no sooner. The only thing we can do in the mean time is continue following any leads presented to us, continue raising public awareness, and, most of all, maintain a sense of civility toward each other.

And the very spelled out..
In My Humble Opinion...

AND? yeah...lottery ticket...we are just waiting on the numbers to be drawn...

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Maybe not as soon as some would like but the game being played here does not revolve around the Christmas money you got tied up in here.

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Originally posted by humble:

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Originally posted by T e x:
Humble,

not looking for a fight, but that post sounds like a walk the long way around the building...

are you saying shareholders bought a lotto ticket, so they should calm down?

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A lotto ticket implies dumb luck. If that is why you bought this stock then refer to my previous post.

I have done enough research to be comfortable in my own position and I simply wish that for everyone else.

The truth is we just don't know right now what the future will hold and can only rely on the excellent DD to date.

None of what we have learned has changed just because of the SEC complaint. In fact, it seems to be validating itself as the proceedings move along. And yet impatience is getting the better of some people and causing them to jump to false conclusions.

Calm down? If you have to calm down there is an implication that emotion is creeping into your business decision, and that is usually not a positive thing in this market.

... In My humble Opinion [/QB]

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
HEY.....Whats all this now

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

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Originally posted by trade04:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
After all thats going on and we still close even for the day. A sign of strength. IMHO


LOL now THATS funny. much funnier than doniboy imo (lol)

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Well yea, funnier than Doniboy for sure. Maybe not like Simpsons funny but i follow ya

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Haha, all in good fun Doniboy. Nothin but boredom, carry on.
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
these threads ought to be titled "anatomy of a train wreck" ....

the only thing we know for sure is that we know nothing for sure.

maybe all of us should keep calling sabra at cshd hq ro keep the pressure on rufus to do something about next tuesday - 6 days off.

when are they going to move to texas? will the offices just disappear? we have kept rufus under close scrutiny the past couple of weeks. close scrutiny keeps an honest man honest.

btw good morning board and GLTA today.
 

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Originally posted by MickeyP:
From Tut: I know I promised you something more today. Well there is more to come and I believe you will see now very soon that this is very much for real and all you hoped for will happen, maybe with some very good changes but they will be even better for you all. I believe you will find the real meaning why Rufus posted what he posted today. There is victory around the corner and maybe sooner than you think. I wish you all pleasant dreams because tomorrow is the start of a new day and with it maybe, just maybe, a brighter star will begin to shine.

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Originally posted by unclerudy:
Honestly, Tut is dead to me until I get full disclosure from him about who he is, what is interests in this stock is, his background, what he is doing right now, and what his business plans are for the future. He has yet to give us anything of substance. I cannot recall a single thing that Tut said that would make me want to believe a single word coming from his anonymous mouth. He has never given us any links to prove anything, and any names he provides are already known. Please stop perpatrating the fraud that is Tut. I really don't care what he has to say, and I think NOONE can give me a reason to listen to him.

Time for the Ray and Pete drop... "Shut up little man. Shut up little man. SHUT UP LITTLE MAN."

And if you don't know who Ray and Pete are, look them up with Drew and Mike. You will get some laughs.

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Originally posted by a surfer:
The only thing that would make me laugh if Euroclear did not show up would be the fact that they are not needed.

Perhaps the SEC found truth in the bonds.

otherwise its sort of a sick joke....

Have a great day all!

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax - So in other words, Euroclear will not be "Bullied" by the SEC?

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Let me give you a bit of the picture as I know it. As Dog put it so well about a week ago. Euroclear is high finance.

"If the Treasury Department wants to fund an ailing government. They transfer the funds through Euroclear."

How would the regulating body of the U.S. Security markets have any authority over this system. And they subpeaoned them? Who is going to arrest them? God?

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I agree Surf!

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Originally posted by a surfer:
The only thing that would make me laugh if Euroclear did not show up would be the fact that they are not needed.

Perhaps the SEC found truth in the bonds.

otherwise its sort of a sick joke....

Have a great day all!

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Posted by tutankaman on :
 
Good Morning all shareholders.

Today is a GREAT day for you, last night the north star with wings of great power took flight and we will now see the great beginning! The SEC has settled out of court!!!

We have won!
Watch the wires today, it will come over the National Headlines, the PR's are out, the forms are complete and filed and we resume trading on the 13th (Monday) on the American stock exchange.
We are also merging with Chase Manhatton bank, who will then be merging with one of the World banks, but I cannot give that info out as of yet.

You will be issued 10 shares not six to eliminate the short position on the 13th. There will be bi-monthly dividends of $1.00 per share, if your account number ends with a "even" number you will be issued a company car also, if you have an "odd" number you will be given an airplane.

There will be monthly drawing to see who gets to eat dinner at the White House with the President and then get to go hunting with the Vice President. Watch your azz...

My name I will now reveal: I am Harry Potter...

Let the magic begin!!

Chart

er,.. ah... I mean,

Tut!

LMAO!!!

There, is that what ya wanted to hear!!
Well come on, that sure beats what the REAL tut posted last night! ha ~~
 

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Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Well I can't say that rufus typing "he he" put me at ease- I look forward to the next few days.

I saw some tut posts on this thread- is that THE Tut from HSM?
 

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Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Good Morning Board!!! lol ~~~
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
No, continue reading -it sounds more like Repo...
 

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Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Goodmorning everyone. Chart LOL
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Chart - Why does the fake Tut post now have your name on it????????
 

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Posted by Chart walker on :
 
I changed my name back too soon! darn it!

I had tutankac or whatever the heck ke calls himself there... LOL ~~~

-thought a laugh would do us good!
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 

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Originally posted by tutankaman:
Good Morning all shareholders.

Today is a GREAT day for you, last night the north star with wings of great power took flight and we will now see the great beginning! The SEC has settled out of court!!!

We have won!
Watch the wires today, it will come over the National Headlines, the PR's are out, the forms are complete and filed and we resume trading on the 13th (Monday) on the American stock exchange.
We are also merging with Chase Manhatton bank, who will then be merging with one of the World banks, but I cannot give that info out as of yet.

You will be issued 10 shares not six to eliminate the short position on the 13th. There will be bi-monthly dividends of $1.00 per share, if your account number ends with a "even" number you will be issued a company car also, if you have an "odd" number you will be given an airplane.

There will be monthly drawing to see who gets to eat dinner at the White House with the President and then get to go hunting with the Vice President. Watch your azz...

My name I will now reveal: I am Harry Potter...

Let the magic begin!!

Chart

er,.. ah... I mean,

Tut!

LMAO!!!

There, is that what ya wanted to hear!!
Well come on, that sure beats what the REAL tut posted last night! ha ~~

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Chart - Why does the fake Tut post now have your name on it????????

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10of13 taugh us a lesson a while back, she posted with Rufus' name... ha!

Her point was that "anyone" can be "anyone" and to watch sources.

So I was having fun with it!
But whne I changed my name back it changed all my posts back to chartwalker...

Hope ya got a laugh!
I did, that was fun! ha ha ~

-going hunting with Vice pres... -remember he shot his buddy in the butt!! ha ha ~~
 

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Posted by Repoman75 on :
 

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Chart - that was good!! The beginning sounded just like him....but I thought it was from Repo....

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Originally posted by bigstocks:
Oh please dont leave Repo, were wating for your great pick.

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Originally posted by Chart walker:
Nice new2.... "he he"

"real nice" lol ~
-what is itthe day of jokes today or what?!

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Originally posted by Chart walker:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Chart - Why does the fake Tut post now have your name on it????????

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10of13 taugh us a lesson a while back, she posted with Rufus' name... ha!

Her point was that "anyone" can be "anyone" and to watch sources.

So I was having fun with it!
But whne I changed my name back it changed all my posts back to chartwalker...

Hope ya got a laugh!
I did, that was fun! ha ha ~

-going hunting with Vice pres... -remember he shot his buddy in the butt!! ha ha ~~

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Originally posted by new2stocks:

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Originally posted by Chart walker:
Nice new2.... "he he"

"real nice" lol ~
-what is itthe day of jokes today or what?!

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Yours was funny chart, I liked the Harry Potter thing at the end! lmao

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You should've read the "unedited" version!!
LOL ~~
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
hey repo, you mean we are here to make money? what a unique diversion from the drama! i have actually made some money flipping other stuff but i really crave the drama!!
 

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Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Hey Humble, you ever talk to him about it?

-was he ticked off?..
Nothing like getting shot, boy and I thought I had bad days ~
 

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Posted by new2stocks on :
 

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Originally posted by humble:

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Originally posted by Chart walker:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Chart - Why does the fake Tut post now have your name on it????????

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10of13 taugh us a lesson a while back, she posted with Rufus' name... ha!

Her point was that "anyone" can be "anyone" and to watch sources.

So I was having fun with it!
But whne I changed my name back it changed all my posts back to chartwalker...

Hope ya got a laugh!
I did, that was fun! ha ha ~

-going hunting with Vice pres... -remember he shot his buddy in the butt!! ha ha ~~

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Actually he shot him in the chest, neck and face. You know, I see that guy every couple of days. He works in an adjacent building. Nice guy; quite fit for his age. Too bad he hunts with morons who nearly ended his run.

For anyone wondering, he is doing fine with no ill effects from the incident.

... In My humble Opinion

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Originally posted by Chart walker:
Hey Humble, you ever talk to him about it?

-was he ticked off?..
Nothing like getting shot, boy and I thought I had bad days ~

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Originally posted by RichBy26:
Well, I spent an hour at the gym throwing dumbells around while pondering Rufus's latest post. I have changed my thinking just a little because if the Euroclear no show was a bad thing Rufus would not have posted anything. I'm still uncertain of it's true meaning, but time will tell. We have no control and this is out of our hands... GLTA

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...course the other school of thought is Rufus knew we would find out so he did that to put us at ease (or he flat out lied that it's a good thing).

But a lie wouldn't make sense... Not while we are halted from trading. Why lie? We can't trade ~

And we won't be able to trade till we get a ruling and by then everyone will know what's going on.

So, for me, the lie thing doesn't pan out, -it would if the stock was trading, but we aren't.

How many times have we said this can't get any more weird... -yet it does ~

Well.....
Back to watching paint dry..
 

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Posted by 3403 on :
 
If a company does well, the CEO gets the credit. If a company does poorly the CEO gets blamed. The way it should be.
Now it is up to us to decide whether this is a good thing playing into the hands of some GRAND SCHEME, or a bunch of B.S. designed to keep us in there.
Interested in what happens today.
 

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Posted by sceptor on :
 
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.
 

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Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
I agree chart, the "lie" theory does not make much sense, what would he have to gain while we are not trading... I'm tired of the guessing game, I'm off to the links for a real meeting... Have a great day everyone, at least we're not closing in the red
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Rufus didnt say it was a good thing. In fact, i believe he started his second post with an "embarassed" smiley. I dont think he is happy about it, i just think he knew we would find out so he preferred that we got it from him. Now, he did follow it up with some thumbs up and smilies but i think he saw the tension at HSM.

Rufus himself has said how much he hates when people put a "spin" on things. So, he chose to post facts and not place a spin on it. No need to read into that IMO. If he had gone into a long explaination as to why this is ok, then id be worried.

He said we will be notified as we move forward. Thats pretty clear to me.
 

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Posted by Chart walker on :
 

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Originally posted by Chart walker:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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But if Rufus HAS the bonds how could that "helped" the SEC?...

It would have destroyed their case IMO.

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Originally posted by Chart walker:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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But if Rufus HAS the bonds how could that "helped" the SEC?...

It would have destroyed their case IMO.

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They dont believe him. they got someone at fidelity to state they owned a portion of the bond. I am sure they were hoping euroclear would come back and say nope, never heard of the guy. It didnt happen.
 

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Posted by sceptor on :
 
euroclear can only prove he has access to their exchange and validate his passwords. they cant prove he owns the bonds other than stating what they say on them.

the bank of venz. is the ones that can prove outright he owns the bonds. It is the notarized document of their transferring ownership to conversion solutions that is the proof. The fact that it can be found on gsccca.org and examined be any of us says to me it was also one of the 10 exhibits he presented in his defense.
 

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Posted by Chart walker on :
 
But Rufus had codes... Has an account. Said the codes open the bonds up and the owners are clearly to be seen...

Don't get me wrong, still long, it's just I can't grab hold of the big picture here right now...

Trying to
 

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Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
then why was he instructing the SEC to go to Euroclear to look at who has ownership of the bonds. Rufus has clearly stated that once the bonds are loaded into euroclear in your name or company number that you own them?
 

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Posted by 66inxs on :
 
if euroclear didn't show the court will probably issue a subpoena to whoever was supposed to show up and then a contempt of court citation if they still won't appear. this not showing up may cause another delay which imho is not good for us.
 

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
OT:

Did you guys see my "safe" pick today? I called Mastercard at $44 and it was where I have been putting any profits I made. I always said that I would ride it to $80, but it stayed in the high $60's low $70's for a long time. Well their financials just came out and they look really good. It just hit a 52 week high of $86.65.

Too bad I sold some to get more CSHD. But hopefully my play will pay off in the long run.
 

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Posted by thedoctor on :
 

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Originally posted by humble:

quote:

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Originally posted by Chart walker:

quote:

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Originally posted by Jenna:
Chart - Why does the fake Tut post now have your name on it????????

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10of13 taugh us a lesson a while back, she posted with Rufus' name... ha!

Her point was that "anyone" can be "anyone" and to watch sources.

So I was having fun with it!
But whne I changed my name back it changed all my posts back to chartwalker...

Hope ya got a laugh!
I did, that was fun! ha ha ~

-going hunting with Vice pres... -remember he shot his buddy in the butt!! ha ha ~~

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Actually he shot him in the chest, neck and face. You know, I see that guy every couple of days. He works in an adjacent building. Nice guy; quite fit for his age. Too bad he hunts with morons who nearly ended his run.

For anyone wondering, he is doing fine with no ill effects from the incident.

... In My humble Opinion

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I'd rather hunt with Dick Cheney than drive in a car with Ted Kennedy
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:

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Originally posted by Chart walker:

quote:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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But if Rufus HAS the bonds how could that "helped" the SEC?...

It would have destroyed their case IMO.

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Right Chart, and I believe that is exactly what we need. Correct me if I'm wrong but since this isn't a criminal case the burden of proof is on Rufus not the SEC. Rufus needs to prove beyond a doubt that the SEC's case doesn't hold water. I don't think that'll happen with Euroclear not giving a depo.

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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quote:

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
OT:

Did you guys see my "safe" pick today? I called Mastercard at $44 and it was where I have been putting any profits I made. I always said that I would ride it to $80, but it stayed in the high $60's low $70's for a long time. Well their financials just came out and they look really good. It just hit a 52 week high of $86.65.

Too bad I sold some to get more CSHD. But hopefully my play will pay off in the long run.

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Originally posted by a surfer:
The only thing that would make me laugh if Euroclear did not show up would be the fact that they are not needed.

Perhaps the SEC found truth in the bonds.

otherwise its sort of a sick joke....

Have a great day all!

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Originally posted by a surfer:
I have called both #'s to the SEC that were provided and have only received answering machines.

So I left a message that said whats up biooootch.

Something along those lines......

66 if you get Sabra I am sure she will make you feel good about the current situation.

I have spoken to her twice. She is truly a class act.

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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Originally posted by St. Matthew:

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Originally posted by a surfer:
I have called both #'s to the SEC that were provided and have only received answering machines.

So I left a message that said whats up biooootch.

Something along those lines......

66 if you get Sabra I am sure she will make you feel good about the current situation.

I have spoken to her twice. She is truly a class act.

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FWI...if the SEC is in the building, she will not tell you anything...trust me, I tried on Monday.

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

quote:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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Originally posted by Chart walker:

quote:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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But if Rufus HAS the bonds how could that "helped" the SEC?...

It would have destroyed their case IMO.

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I am wondering the same thing.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Perspective... it is all just a matter of perspective.

Has anyone else looked into Euroclear?

Straight from their Perspect...us.

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Euroclear plc consolidated

For the year ended 31 December (€ million) 2005

Operating income 963.0
Operating expenses, provisions1 and other operating charges (595.7)
Operating profit before goodwill amortisation 367.3
Group profit/(loss) attributable to the shareholders 210.5
Net earnings per share 55.1
Adjusted earnings per share2 70.6
Dividend per share 21.4
Total assets 11,222.0
Subordinated liabilities 546.7
Redeemable preference shares 0.1
Shareholders’ funds3 2,557.2
Shareholders’ funds/Total assets 22.8%

1. Refers to the provision for bad and doubtful debts.
2. Excluding goodwill amortisation, based on average outstanding shares.
3. As a result of changes to UK generally accepted accounting principles, dividends are only to be recognised as a liability following authorisation by shareholders. To take account of this change in
accounting policy, the amount for Shareholders’ funds reflects a restatement of the data included in the previous consolidated financial statements relating to the dividends proposed by Euroclear
plc. Furthermore, the €0.1 million of Preferred, non voting, redeemable shares have been reclassified out of Shareholders’ funds.

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Originally posted by RyanPBF:
preponderance of the evidence
n. the greater weight of the evidence required in a civil (non-criminal) lawsuit for the trier of fact (jury or judge without a jury) to decide in favor of one side or the other. This preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and its probable truth or accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence. Thus, one clearly knowledgeable witness may provide a preponderance of evidence over a dozen witnesses with hazy testimony, or a signed agreement with definite terms may outweigh opinions or speculation about what the parties intended . Preponderance of the evidence is required in a civil case and is contrasted with "beyond a reasonable doubt," which is the more severe test of evidence required to convict in a criminal trial. No matter what the definition stated in various legal opinions, the meaning is somewhat subjective.

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Originally posted by sceptor:

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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You have never been to one apparently. The judge isnt setting anything up, he reviews testimony and judges based on that. The judge allows both sides to depose witnesses.

The sec is doing accelerated discovery, they are doing what they can to build their case against rufus and cshd. They will not be deposing people or organizations they think are friendly to cshd. That is the job of rufus's side.

You can bet the sec was hoping they would get euroclear to deny knowledge of Rufus.

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Originally posted by Ocqueoc:

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

quote:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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Wasn't the depo suposed to be by phone at 1:00?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by Ocqueoc:

quote:

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

quote:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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Wasn't the depo suposed to be by phone at 1:00?

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Yea, i still feel a bit out of touch after being gone for a while but werent they supposed to do their deposition by phone? Im also confused by the no show comment, wouldnt that be no call?

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quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by Ocqueoc:

quote:

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

quote:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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Wasn't the depo suposed to be by phone at 1:00?

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Yea, i still feel a bit out of touch after being gone for a while but werent they supposed to do their deposition by phone? Im also confused by the no show comment, wouldnt that be no call?

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
I would think that the SEC would depose all relevant witnesses. That way they will know what Rufus has as far as proof. They need to build their case not only to attack Rufus but also to combat his rebuttle. Of course I would feel meuch better if Rufus PR'd that he has "hired a law firm to combat these unjust charges brought forth by the SEC". I would like to know that Rufus is actually fighting this rather than just hoping tht his evidence will speak for itself.

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by Ocqueoc:

quote:

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

quote:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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Wasn't the depo suposed to be by phone at 1:00?

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Yea, i still feel a bit out of touch after being gone for a while but werent they supposed to do their deposition by phone? Im also confused by the no show comment, wouldnt that be no call?

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I believe Rufus said it was via video conference, or possibly phone conference durring the SPR interview. I either case if they don't call in. "No Show" still works and is a common comment.

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A video conference would work...
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Point Mr. C!!!

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by Ocqueoc:

quote:

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

quote:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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Wasn't the depo suposed to be by phone at 1:00?

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Yea, i still feel a bit out of touch after being gone for a while but werent they supposed to do their deposition by phone? Im also confused by the no show comment, wouldnt that be no call?

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quote:

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

quote:

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Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:

quote:

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Originally posted by Ocqueoc:

quote:

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Originally posted by thedoctor:

quote:

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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Wasn't the depo suposed to be by phone at 1:00?

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Yea, i still feel a bit out of touch after being gone for a while but werent they supposed to do their deposition by phone? Im also confused by the no show comment, wouldnt that be no call?

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If Euroclear had something bad to say they would appear and if they were to support CSHD claims, they would also appear. They would not disrespect any Federal Court activity. They must have been told it wasn't necessary or they did it by phone.

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:


How big a number is 963,000,000 Euro? What is the USD conversion? This is their operating income for last year alone. [/QB]

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1,229,114,357.69 USD .
 

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
To clarify my earlier post, when i called Sabra i did it through the office number. The lady that answers the phones answered as normal and transferred me to Sabra, where i got the message instead of Sabra. The message was not a result of calling the main number. Just FYI
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Thanks, Igor for answering the retorical question. LOL

Point is it is a lot of money, and they do not feel they answer to the SEC or the US court system.

I would think there would be instant animosity if the SEC asked for a Depo. Euroclear answered flat "No". Then the SEC said well then we will subpeana you for the Depo, and then actually did it.

If Euroclear has a reason why they do not want to participate in a SEC Investigation against one of their "valued" (this is speculatory) customers. Then they are not going to talk.

The SEC will just have to look somewhere else for their evidence.
 

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Posted by 3403 on :
 
Is there anything scheduled for this circus today?
 

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Originally posted by sceptor:
Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.

The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.

the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.

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Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.

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Wasn't the depo suposed to be by phone at 1:00?

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Yea, i still feel a bit out of touch after being gone for a while but werent they supposed to do their deposition by phone? Im also confused by the no show comment, wouldnt that be no call?

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If Euroclear had something bad to say they would appear and if they were to support CSHD claims, they would also appear. They would not disrespect any Federal Court activity. They must have been told it wasn't necessary or they did it by phone.

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"They would not disrespect any Federal Court" Yeah Right! Federal Court in what country?

You or I would not disrespect a Federal Court, but I know if I was served a supeana to present a deposition on a valued customer for the Prosecution in a Forgein Federal Court, when there is no law saying I had too. I think I might turn my nose up at the request.

Why help them, why hurt my customer, why waste my valuable time, why?

How big a number is 963,000,000 Euro? What is the USD conversion? This is their operating income for last year alone.

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Originally posted by 3403:
Is there anything scheduled for this circus today?

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
I would think that the SEC would depose all relevant witnesses. That way they will know what Rufus has as far as proof. They need to build their case not only to attack Rufus but also to combat his rebuttle. Of course I would feel meuch better if Rufus PR'd that he has "hired a law firm to combat these unjust charges brought forth by the SEC". I would like to know that Rufus is actually fighting this rather than just hoping tht his evidence will speak for itself.

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I agree with you Doni

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Ryan ~ The SEC is the prosecution. Euroclear shouldn't talk to them. If Euroclear wanted to present Rufus with a stack of evidence to enter at the next hearing then they very well can do it.

This is already in court. it is too late for people to assume that giving the SEC proof will cause them to "back-off". (It should but you can't assume that.) This is going to come down to what each side lays in front of the judge at the hearing.

It is like being in a murder trial and having your allibi testifying for the prosecution. If they would have checked your alibi before taking you to court then you probably would not be there.
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Maybe if Rufus had a lawyer, then HIS lawyer could have been the one Depo-ing Euroclear .....but of course he already has the evidence he needs to prove ownership.
 

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Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Tax .....

"They would not disrespect any Federal Court" Yeah Right! Federal Court in what country?

You or I would not disrespect a Federal Court, but I know if I was served a supeana to present a deposition on a valued customer for the Prosecution in a Forgein Federal Court, when there is no law saying I had too. I think I might turn my nose up at the request.

Why help them, why hurt my customer, why waste my valuable time, why?

How big a number is 963,000,000 Euro? What is the USD conversion? This is their operating income for last year alone.

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If I had a "valued customer" and I was subpoenaed to support my valued customer, I would be there whether they had juristiction or not over me. Think about it .... why would they not show .... to be arrogant .... I don't think so .... to much professionalism involved. I think it wasn't necessary or cancelled. I may be very wrong but it just doesn't make sense to me any other way.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 

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Tax .....

"They would not disrespect any Federal Court" Yeah Right! Federal Court in what country?

You or I would not disrespect a Federal Court, but I know if I was served a supeana to present a deposition on a valued customer for the Prosecution in a Forgein Federal Court, when there is no law saying I had too. I think I might turn my nose up at the request.

Why help them, why hurt my customer, why waste my valuable time, why?

How big a number is 963,000,000 Euro? What is the USD conversion? This is their operating income for last year alone.

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If I had a "valued customer" and I was subpoenaed to support my valued customer, I would be there whether they had juristiction or not over me. Think about it .... why would they not show .... to be arrogant .... I don't think so .... to much professionalism involved. I think it wasn't necessary or cancelled. I may be very wrong but it just doesn't make sense to me any other way.

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Tax .....

"They would not disrespect any Federal Court" Yeah Right! Federal Court in what country?

You or I would not disrespect a Federal Court, but I know if I was served a supeana to present a deposition on a valued customer for the Prosecution in a Forgein Federal Court, when there is no law saying I had too. I think I might turn my nose up at the request.

Why help them, why hurt my customer, why waste my valuable time, why?

How big a number is 963,000,000 Euro? What is the USD conversion? This is their operating income for last year alone.

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If I had a "valued customer" and I was subpoenaed to support my valued customer, I would be there whether they had juristiction or not over me. Think about it .... why would they not show .... to be arrogant .... I don't think so .... to much professionalism involved. I think it wasn't necessary or cancelled. I may be very wrong but it just doesn't make sense to me any other way.

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Well I hope you are right... not like we can do anything here but debate theory. In either case I think the "No Show" is a good thing. We should hear more soon.

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Yes.. We agree .... Just a couple more days till this is resolved. Keep your fingers crossed .
 

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
I seem to remember Rufus saying that he will be in meetings with the SEC Mon, Tues, & Wed...so I'm hoping we hear something tonight.....

& dad it's a nice time to get into LFZA...IMO.. Oh yeah they changed their symbol it's USSE now.
 

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Posted by CRab on :
 
I'm of the opinion all of this is a moot point anyway...I think all is well and Rufus is just playing a role for us at this point...I'm really not concerned with any of this right now...

Has anyone thought about the possibility that Euroclear simply gave the SEC whatever they(Euroclear) thought necessary...in doing that not going to the dep...the SEC then simply says Euroclear was a no show and decides not to use that info?

I mean...if the prosecution in the OJ trial found definitive proof that OJ didn't do it...ya think they would have volunteered that info?
 

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Posted by SherriT on :
 

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I seem to remember Rufus saying that he will be in meetings with the SEC Mon, Tues, & Wed...so I'm hoping we hear something tonight.....

& dad it's a nice time to get into LFZA...IMO.. Oh yeah they changed their symbol it's USSE now.

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Originally posted by CRab:
I'm of the opinion all of this is a moot point anyway...I think all is well and Rufus is just playing a role for us at this point...I'm really not concerned with any of this right now...

Has anyone thought about the posibility that Euroclear simply gave the SEC whatever they(Euroclear) thought necessary...in doing that not going to the dep...the SEC then simply says Euroclear was a no show and decides not to use that info?

I mean...if the prosecution in the OJ trial found definitive proof that OJ didn't do it...ya think they would have volunteered that info?

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Originally posted by Jenna:
I seem to remember Rufus saying that he will be in meetings with the SEC Mon, Tues, & Wed...so I'm hoping we hear something tonight.....

& dad it's a nice time to get into LFZA...IMO.. Oh yeah they changed their symbol it's USSE now.

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Be a "good girl" and stop rubbing it in.
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Just thought I would do a bit more digging on the bond with some of the new info that has surfaced recently.

Other than a clear tie to Euroclear, I have now found a listing for a 13.62 Coupon with a matching maturity date Bond on Brady Net.

http://eve.bradynet.com/cgi-bin/bnsearch.pl?issuer=Venezue
 

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Posted by a surfer on :
 

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Just thought I would do a bit more digging on the bond with some of the new info that has surfaced recently.

Other than a clear tie to Euroclear, I have now found a listing for a 13.62 Coupon with a matching maturity date Bond on Brady Net.

http://eve.bradynet.com/cgi-bin/bnsearch.pl?issuer=Venezue

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Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Just thought I would do a bit more digging on the bond with some of the new info that has surfaced recently.

Other than a clear tie to Euroclear, I have now found a listing for a 13.62 Coupon with a matching maturity date Bond on Brady Net.

http://eve.bradynet.com/cgi-bin/bnsearch.pl?issuer=Venezue

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Very interesting! Nice find, Tax!
 

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Posted by a surfer on :
 
D E S C R I P T I O N
Issuer: Republic of Venezuela (Global)
Coupon: 13.62 (fixed)
Coupon Desc: Semiannual
Matures: 08-15-18
Country: VENEZUELA
Date issued: 07-29-98
Form: Global
Issue Amount: 500.00 US (millions)
Currency: US
Denomination: 1,000.00
Day Count: 30/360
Amortization: Bullet


Thats definitely a match!
 

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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I found another over a Fidelity... I am sure this is where the SEC's depo came from. They have it listed as a corporate bond. Does not show it amount issued. And there is a bid and ask and trade button which supports the trading theory.

http://fixedincome.fidelity.com/fi/FIIndividualBondsSearch?cusip=922646AT1
 

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Posted by frank021474 on :
 
The ISIN# and CUSSIP# match the 8k
 

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Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
FWIW....I was viewing HSM postings and saw the post included herein below.....the triple quotes are added by me to give credit to the poster there.........
and btw...Taxback04 and Surfer...your postings on the VENEZUELA bond this morning are showing up on HSM, and they have been credited to both of you...good work.....

"""Today, 12:54 PM #6148
some_extra_dough
HSM Enthusiast

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Buckeye state
Posts: 868 IMPORTANT:

I haven't had time to post this until now, but earlier today I received a return call from an attorney at the SEC Atlanta District Office. I wish I had made a note of the name, but I was so surprised / excited at the time to have actually received a call. The SEC attorney first told me that he had me on speakerphone with another person in the room. I mainly talked about the concern shared by many shareholders that the SEC may have filed this case without doing an adequate amount of investigation beforehand. As you can imagine, the responses I received were fairly vague but left me with the following impressions (all of which are my own personal opinions):

1. at some point, the SEC became "suspicious" (word used by SEC atty.) of the bond ownership and contracts
2. based on that suspicion, the SEC filed its Complaint
3. their investigation is continuing
4. they are not above admitting they were wrong and dismissing the Complaint if CSHD is found to own the bonds and contracts are legit.

The atty. also asked me the following questions:

1. Had Rufus or any other officer asked me to call? (I answered "no" as I have not spoken to any officer of the company. The atty. mentioned that they had received a lot of calls. I laughed at that point and said that I was not surprised as I knew a ton of people that were calling, writing, emailing and faxing their congressional reps., attorney generals, governors, FBI, Whitehouse, media, etc. I told them that they were just one office on a long list of people being called).

2. How did I first learn about this stock and company? (I actually don't remember but told him it was just dumb luck on my part)..

I then asked the attorney if he was aware of all of the allegations of naked shorting with respect to CSHD. He hesitated and replied to the effect that he had read something about that. I asked him if any investigation was being conducted - I knew upon asking that I would get the standard "we can't comment on that", but I decided to ask anyway..

I will say that the person I talked to was very professional and listened to all of my concerns."""
 

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Nice post Bucky. It sounds like they are trying to see if Rufus is making people call them.
 

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Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Taxback04 and Surfer...

"You STUDS" WTG ~
 

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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0


Click SEARCH
 

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Posted by TexasMoney on :
 

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Originally posted by a surfer:
D E S C R I P T I O N
Issuer: Republic of Venezuela (Global)
Coupon: 13.62 (fixed)
Coupon Desc: Semiannual
Matures: 08-15-18
Country: VENEZUELA
Date issued: 07-29-98
Form: Global
Issue Amount: 500.00 US (millions)
Currency: US
Denomination: 1,000.00
Day Count: 30/360
Amortization: Bullet


Thats definitely a match!

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Originally posted by Doniboy:
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0


Click SEARCH

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Originally posted by a surfer:
D E S C R I P T I O N
Issuer: Republic of Venezuela (Global)
Coupon: 13.62 (fixed)
Coupon Desc: Semiannual
Matures: 08-15-18
Country: VENEZUELA
Date issued: 07-29-98
Form: Global
Issue Amount: 500.00 US (millions)
Currency: US
Denomination: 1,000.00
Day Count: 30/360
Amortization: Bullet


Thats definitely a match!

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An interesting point made from HSM, wasn't this supposed to be a 700.00 US (millions) bond, not a 500.00 US (millions) bond?

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Originally posted by Chart walker:
Taxback04 and Surfer...

"You STUDS" WTG ~

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