quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: Taxback04 and Surfer...
"You STUDS" WTG ~
I had nothing to do with this find.
Taxback is the one chart.
O.K. so we have visual proof of the bond other than on the GSCCCA website.
I have no doubt about the Vene. bond.
We own it! PERIOD.
If you look at the stamps-siggys etc. it should confirm this.
How in the world does one get bank signatures from the pres. vice pres and treasury on a bond if it's not real??
Any way to verify and match signatures on the bonds in GSCCCA??
Surf I don't think anybody's been arguing that the bonds exsist including the SEC. I believe what they are arguing is that CSHD owns the bonds. So far any info we can find outside of the contracts at gscca.org doesn't prove that we own it or don't own it.
My point here Ryan is to find a match of signatures on GSCCA for the purpose verifying ownership.
The question is, where can we find the signatures on another piece of information to link the two together.
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tanks that's right but it seems the arguments have changed in proving the bonds exsist instead of proving ownership. Which is rediculous since everyone knows that they exsist. The SEC knows they exsist they questioned the guy from fidelity about the bonds there's never been a question that bonds exsist.
Mr. Harris is the Founder and originator of Waatle Holdings Corp and CVSU. The co-founder of Songwi Trust. His experiences range from high-end corporate financing to bond origination. Mr. Harris has facilitated and originated projects, corporate and bond financing for more than 10 years.
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quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: source... you asked about HOW can Rufus retire.... sigh ~~~
-never mind.
Go back to your "half empty" glass of water.....
I'm not asking how he can retire in a cash status . I'm asking what is he retiring from ? When someone says they are retired , its usually from a career of some sort . You don't exactly say I'm retiring from sitting on my *$$ or I'm retiring from mooching off of welfare and other gov. programs .
The man must have some type of job history to walk in and say here I am , give me billions in bonds to invest with . Where is this paper trial ? Once again I cannot find it .
What did George Bush do before he was Gov of Texas? And where is he now? I'll say it again, I'll do business with a connected man before a brilliant one.
There were months to investigate Rufus' career to date. If you did not do that or reconcile with the fact that we are dealing with an unknown on that front, that is your fault. Expecting others to alleviate your lack of comfort in your own position is irresponsible.
... In My humble Opinion
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Source -- let me ask. Would someone please produce one iota of positive background on RPH (the Republican award not withstanding). I too have read the past threads and I too have done the same searches and have come up with zilch. His failures that I find are mirrored with excuses and blaming others for being unsuccessful. Doesn't this look a little familiar? If someone has a link, I would greatly appreciate it. Time shouldn't tell over the ownership of the bonds -- proof should.
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quote:Originally posted by a surfer: The source; your brash responses do nothing to help you get answers. Its like an agenda rearing its head from under a rock.
Be respectful and ask politely and people will help.
Ok , here we go . Would someone please provide me with some DD into Rufus Paul Harris or Paul Rufus Harris's background in anything remotely related to the types of service that CSHD claims to provide their customers . I cannot find it at this time and would be gratefull of any links or general tips of where to look .
Thanks in advance and have a wonderfull day - thesource
I already told you. I dont believe that Rufus fits into the picture like you are hoping he does. I personally dont feel that he has asset management experience, although im sure he can balance his own checkbook. He has a dream to build a company utilizing the expertise of the employees of that company. Instead of focusing all of your attention on him why dont you start DDing the other officers and see what their strengths are. Then, as i said, wait a week or so and see who they have lined up to run the company once it takes off.
I wonder what kind of work history you would have found on Bill Gates prior to Microsoft. I wonder if he ever flipped burgers. He obviously had no future ahead of him at one time.....as far as you would be concerned.
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quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: [QB] Rufus Harris - Chairman
Chief Executive Officer
Mr. Harris is the Founder and originator of Waatle Holdings Corp and CVSU. The co-founder of Songwi Trust. His experiences range from high-end corporate financing to bond origination. Mr. Harris has facilitated and originated projects, corporate and bond financing for more than 10 years.
Thats a start and thanks for posting .The info listed can be found on their website . I've seen this already and am looking for something a little more specific .
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Correct source -- something with third party verification. I agree. Humble -- ok I see your point -- he's an unknown on that front. How did you reconcile that in light of searchable past history?
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Sceptor/Phil... Not sure what problem you may have..but get over it... I am not the one needing to see the "proof" the SEC is...so maybe email the SEC and ask if they have the $5 to do that very same thing!
quote:Originally posted by sceptor:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Yep...the Question is not if the bonds are real...but who OWNS the bonds... Can Rufus even "prove" this? To what degree does Rufus have to "prove" it... WE have another week(barring any unforseen "other issues")...time will tell...
Have you went to gsccca.org yet? Or is $5 just a bit too much for you to know who owns them?
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quote:Originally posted by humble: What did George Bush do before he was Gov of Texas? And where is he now? I'll say it again, I'll do business with a connected man before a brilliant one.
There were months to investigate Rufus' career to date. If you did not do that or reconcile with the fact that we are dealing with an unknown on that front, that is your fault. Expecting others to alleviate your lack of comfort in your own position is irresponsible.
... In My humble Opinion
Geogia W. Bush has a lenghty track history . Let me bring you up to speed on it . Went to college at Yale I believe , afterwards spent sometime in the Texas National Guard , later started investing and building businesses in the oil industry where he pretty much failed . Afterwards bought the Texas Rangers and owned them for a while . He later became Gov of Texas and did an excellent job while in office . He decided to run for President against his wife wishes at first but she later came on board . He came from deep money and wouldn't have to show a track record but has although not too successfull .
Now back to Rufus , I didn't check into him before investing in this company . Why ? Because I was looking for a quick buck and was pretty new to the stock market . Get in , get out , that was the plan . I got caught up in all the b/s and thought damn this is going to be a home run . Now , we are not trading , the smoke has cleared my eyes and I can now see somethings that either didn't want to see or couldn't see .
Your humble responce is noted and thanks for your comments .
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thesource? Does Rufus retiring make a difference in this play? Many in this play are claiming that they can retire after it is over...can it not be the same for a 38 year old man whose background you are questioning? If he can retire after this...good for him...
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Here is an idea thesource:
Call: Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Cell Phone: 678-255-7650
or
Email: Harris*CVSU.us
Ask him what you want.
I have sent him a total of five emails . All were polite but to the point . Each were about different subjects and as of today , not a single one has been responded to . The first one was even before trading was suspended .
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a good honest reply source. me too. it didn't matter when i was making pretty good money off the stock but now it seems to and we are all stuck in the mud waiting for a tow truck that won't show up until tuesday.
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Source: That makes a lot of sense. I like many others I am sure went into this stock on others opinion rather then checking it out for ourselves. Something I would never do in my own business. Shame on me.
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no matter what the result is, everyone that has gone through this has learned a lot of things that will make us better traders in the future, right ?
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texasmoney you are really pizzin me off over at HSM. why is everyone such a d*** over there...
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no matter what the result is, everyone that has gone through this has learned a lot of things that will make us better traders in the future, right ?
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: thesource? Does Rufus retiring make a difference in this play? Many in this play are claiming that they can retire after it is over...can it not be the same for a 38 year old man whose background you are questioning? If he can retire after this...good for him...
I don't care what he does after this . I'm asking a simple question and it has not been answered yet .
I 38 year old man that claims to be in control of billions of foreign bonds must have previous experience in this type of work . No one , not even the crazy people in Ven. would turn over 500 million in bonds to some southern hick by the name of Rufus without some very good refernces . If they exist , the country of Ven didn't have trouble verifying them so why am I having trouble even finding anything at all ???
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quote:Originally posted by voyager1951: Source -- let me ask. Would someone please produce one iota of positive background on RPH (the Republican award not withstanding). I too have read the past threads and I too have done the same searches and have come up with zilch. His failures that I find are mirrored with excuses and blaming others for being unsuccessful. Doesn't this look a little familiar? If someone has a link, I would greatly appreciate it. Time shouldn't tell over the ownership of the bonds -- proof should.
You guys sound like the SEC. You just toss your arms up in the air and say, well I can't find anything that says he worked before August so he obviously hasn't. The SEC says, well I can't prove he owns those bonds so he doesn't.
OK - Well, nice work guys I hope you didn't work up a sweat. Here's a hint, try genealogy. Posts: 386 | From: Plano, TX | Registered: Oct 2006
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How many people, on how many stock boards would like to know that I have confirmed the Vice President's signature at the bottom of the Certificate of Ownership for the $500 Million dollar bond? Common how many?
Eddy Reyes Torres is infact a member of the staff of BCV (Banco Central De Venezeula) he has published two articles in their online library of documents.
Here is the link: (It takes a minute to come up so give it some time.)
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: no matter what the result is, everyone that has gone through this has learned a lot of things that will make us better traders in the future, right ?
You are 100% correct on that ........ I've learned to take PR's and comments from the company with a grain of salt . Be ready to pull the trigger at any time and show ZERO loyalty to to the company that you are trading in (basically keep the emotions out of it and treat it like a business). Take your money and run . If there's an opportunity to jump back in to flip it or make more money , go for it but know that you could get burned in the process .
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Texas -- a smart man doesn't know all the answers, he just knows who to ask. That's why we are asking you because you have the knowledge and a five-star rating.
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: thesource? Does Rufus retiring make a difference in this play? Many in this play are claiming that they can retire after it is over...can it not be the same for a 38 year old man whose background you are questioning? If he can retire after this...good for him...
I don't care what he does after this . I'm asking a simple question and it has not been answered yet .
I 38 year old man that claims to be in control of billions of foreign bonds must have previous experience in this type of work . No one , not even the crazy people in Ven. would turn over 500 million in bonds to some southern hick by the name of Rufus without some very good refernces . If they exist , the country of Ven didn't have trouble verifying them so why am I having trouble even finding anything at all ???
What does it matter at this point either you have shares or you don't, eihter you should have done your DD prior to this or you don't own any shares. Point Blank thats how I feel.
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source it is experiences like this that made me a flipper in the first place. i agree with your post 100%. it IS a dog eat dog business where only the fastest and smartest survive.
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Well guys thanks for answering my questions . I'm off to some other threads so I can make some money off of a stock that is trading . Good luck to all and keep the kool aid flowing .
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