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Originally Posted by tutankhamen From my understanding they have already shown they are real and the burden is on the other side to prove otherwise. From a legal standpoint it is up to the plaintiff to prove their allegations. The defendants have shown the validity of the bonds and the plaintiffs have not been able to prove they are false.
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the bonds may be real its who actually owns them that is in question, lets make this real simple. the only income shown on the financial statements is 19 million accrued interest on a bond right? follow the money and prove out the receivable and/or collect it cuz who would pay out 19 million dollars on a bond someone did not own? it the bonds are not owned by cshd, than the financial statements were falsified also. follow the money on the a/r on the financial statements filed with the 10ka. a slam dunk either way. right or wrong?
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He said he wants to retire after his work is done with CSHD ..... correct ? Retire from what ? Where else has he been ? Who else has he worked for in his 20+ years of working (38-18=20yrs give or take).
I hate to be the basher but can't just look the other way or sweep the obvious under the rug anymore .
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quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: FWIW.....tut-eister has posted once more....just passing on the information... . . . Today, 02:50 PM #6308 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 376 It was up to the SEC to get a deposition from Euroclear that the bonds are not real and they would not give a deposition to that. Conversion has shown the bonds are real but the SEC has not been able to prove the bonds are not real and that is good news. That should explain the post from yesterday and goes to show the validity of the bonds in question.
I'm going to say it again. As far as my recollection goes the SEC never said the bonds aren't real. They are questioning the ownership of them so this answer from tut is stupid. Everyone's talking about the bonds being real that was never ever the question ownership is the only question.
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: FWIW.....tut-eister has posted once more....just passing on the information... . . . Today, 02:50 PM #6308 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 376 It was up to the SEC to get a deposition from Euroclear that the bonds are not real and they would not give a deposition to that. Conversion has shown the bonds are real but the SEC has not been able to prove the bonds are not real and that is good news. That should explain the post from yesterday and goes to show the validity of the bonds in question.
I'm going to say it again. As far as my recollection goes the SEC never said the bonds aren't real. They are questioning the ownership of them so this answer from tut is stupid. Everyone's talking about the bonds being real that was never ever the question ownership is the only question.
Excellent point Ryan! Thoughts anyone? I think I'm brain dead today....lol
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: He said he wants to retire after his work is done with CSHD ..... correct ? Retire from what ? Where else has he been ? Who else has he worked for in his 20+ years of working (38-18=20yrs give or take).
I hate to be the basher but can't just look the other way or sweep the obvious under the rug anymore .
You must not have looked at how many shares Rufus owns.....
Heck after this thing gets off the ground I may be able to retire!!! LOL ~~
Rememebr Rusus said "from the beginning" that this was about Naked Shorting, he wanted the world to know about it, and looking at all the companies that are now getting NOBO lists and comparing those number's to what their company ACTUALLY has out there, FTD's are now in BLACK AND WHITE for the world to see!
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I suspect Tut's choice of words are just that...a poor choice of words. If ownership is the question, I'm sure the intent of the deposition with Euroclear was to get them to say the bonds were owned by someone else...
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Yep...the Question is not if the bonds are real...but who OWNS the bonds... Can Rufus even "prove" this? To what degree does Rufus have to "prove" it... WE have another week(barring any unforseen "other issues")...time will tell...
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Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 378 When the company has already proven the existence of the bonds with all the necessary proof of their existence the plaintiff needs to prove othewise. In this event a judge has to rule in favour of the bonds being real from the evidence presented. This is favourable because it would state unequivocably that the bonds have been confirmed. That should not be too difficult for any one with even a small amount of legal training to understand. What this would show to the world is that the bonds are what they are and Conversion would be shown to have what they say they have. That in my opinion would be all the proof that would be needed for the investing world to know the legitimacy of the company and its assets and that is what shows the value of the company. How difficult is this to understand?
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This individual put a pretty logical statement out there...
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Hi TUT, thanks. I look at this, perhaps naively, in a metaphor more readily understood. The county government files suit saying that I don't own my house, I provide all the necessary documentation to support the fact, including government records. They request a deposition from the mortgage company to say whether I own the house or not. That's goofy; the mortgage company scofs.
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quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: You must not have looked at how many shares Rufus owns.....
Heck after this thing gets off the ground I may be able to retire!!! LOL ~~
Rememebr Rusus said "from the beginning" that this was about Naked Shorting, he wanted the world to know about it, and looking at all the companies that are now getting NOBO lists and comparing those number's to what their company ACTUALLY has out there, FTD's are now in BLACK AND WHITE for the world to see!
Those two sets of numbers aren't matching AT ALL!
He's done a great job so far,...
Feeling good about things today
What kind of responce is that ? Who cares if he's got a billion shares . Those are issued to him by him ..... I could have a billion dollars in IOU's issued from my business but thats only because I gave them to myself .
What prior experience does he have in this type of business ? Where is his job history ? These are very straight foward questions and should be answered pretty easy by some of you that have dug very deep into other things like the bonds and Euroclear . Someone once again please show me because I can't find them !!!
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quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: tut i repeat my challenge to you once again - either reveal yourself NOW or STFU NOW !! your choice.
Do you realize you how foolish you look? He posts on HSM and you're here on allstocks demanding things of him. But you do sound tough, sort of. LOL
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Heres a thought, maybe Tut and the various "groups" he says hes involved with have the ability to access euroclear and saw the bond info for themselves, thus he keeps talking about the "power" behind the company, etc etc. Just thinking out loud lol, what do ya'll think?
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Yep...the Question is not if the bonds are real...but who OWNS the bonds... Can Rufus even "prove" this? To what degree does Rufus have to "prove" it... WE have another week(barring any unforseen "other issues")...time will tell...
Have you went to gsccca.org yet? Or is $5 just a bit too much for you to know who owns them?
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: He said he wants to retire after his work is done with CSHD ..... correct ? Retire from what ? Where else has he been ? Who else has he worked for in his 20+ years of working (38-18=20yrs give or take).
I hate to be the basher but can't just look the other way or sweep the obvious under the rug anymore .
You must not have looked at how many shares Rufus owns.....
Heck after this thing gets off the ground I may be able to retire!!! LOL ~~
Rememebr Rusus said "from the beginning" that this was about Naked Shorting, he wanted the world to know about it, and looking at all the companies that are now getting NOBO lists and comparing those number's to what their company ACTUALLY has out there, FTD's are now in BLACK AND WHITE for the world to see!
Those two sets of numbers aren't matching AT ALL!
He's done a great job so far,...
Feeling good about things today
Just a clarification. His cshd shares are restricted for 2 years, along with all the other officers.
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: He said he wants to retire after his work is done with CSHD ..... correct ? Retire from what ? Where else has he been ? Who else has he worked for in his 20+ years of working (38-18=20yrs give or take).
I hate to be the basher but can't just look the other way or sweep the obvious under the rug anymore .
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Just a bit too much attitude against 10 there. She has been a strong supporter here and done countless hours of DD. No need to be rude.
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Yep...the Question is not if the bonds are real...but who OWNS the bonds... Can Rufus even "prove" this? To what degree does Rufus have to "prove" it... WE have another week(barring any unforseen "other issues")...time will tell...
Have you went to gsccca.org yet? Or is $5 just a bit too much for you to know who owns them?
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i don't mind looking foolish. i'm trying to make a point here. who is this poster? why do his words have any credence, especially when we are getting down to the wire on this. he could be munchkin man for all we know. now is the time to come out of the shadows.
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quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: source... you asked about HOW can Rufus retire.... sigh ~~~
-never mind.
Go back to your "half empty" glass of water.....
I'm not asking how he can retire in a cash status . I'm asking what is he retiring from ? When someone says they are retired , its usually from a career of some sort . You don't exactly say I'm retiring from sitting on my *$$ or I'm retiring from mooching off of welfare and other gov. programs .
The man must have some type of job history to walk in and say here I am , give me billions in bonds to invest with . Where is this paper trial ? Once again I cannot find it .
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Yep...the Question is not if the bonds are real...but who OWNS the bonds... Can Rufus even "prove" this? To what degree does Rufus have to "prove" it... WE have another week(barring any unforseen "other issues")...time will tell...
Have you went to gsccca.org yet? Or is $5 just a bit too much for you to know who owns them?
I would ask you the same since it is the source location for the scanned copy of the Certificate of Ownership I just mentioned.
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quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: If you can type and read you'll come to a different conclusion. And, don't respond asking me or others to do it for you.
Another great responce ..... keep them coming guys . I've googled his name both as Rufus Paul Harris and as Paul Rufus Harris . I've also searched in the state of Georgia and worldwide . All I can find is his relation with CSHD and BBAN . There was also something about a golf course that he promised to purchase but never did . Do you have anything else ? I'd love a link or even if you could give me a clue at this point .
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Yep...the Question is not if the bonds are real...but who OWNS the bonds... Can Rufus even "prove" this? To what degree does Rufus have to "prove" it... WE have another week(barring any unforseen "other issues")...time will tell...
Have you went to gsccca.org yet? Or is $5 just a bit too much for you to know who owns them?
quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: source... you asked about HOW can Rufus retire.... sigh ~~~
-never mind.
Go back to your "half empty" glass of water.....
I'm not asking how he can retire in a cash status . I'm asking what is he retiring from ? When someone says they are retired , its usually from a career of some sort . You don't exactly say I'm retiring from sitting on my *$$ or I'm retiring from mooching off of welfare and other gov. programs .
The man must have some type of job history to walk in and say here I am , give me billions in bonds to invest with . Where is this paper trial ? Once again I cannot find it .
The source; your brash responses do nothing to help you get answers. Its like an agenda rearing its head from under a rock.
Be respectful and ask politely and people will help.
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Why would his work history be available through Google? Mine isn't, yours isn't. He's not famous after all.
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quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: If you can type and read you'll come to a different conclusion. And, don't respond asking me or others to do it for you.
Another great responce ..... keep them coming guys . I've googled his name both as Rufus Paul Harris and as Paul Rufus Harris . I've also searched in the state of Georgia and worldwide . All I can find is his relation with CSHD and BBAN . There was also something about a golf course that he promised to purchase but never did . Do you have anything else ? I'd love a link or even if you could give me a clue at this point .
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This is sad because you either own the shares or not. Then second Mr. Harris can either prove that we own the bonds or not. All the other stuff doesn't matter. The bonds are either owned by us or not. Time will tell.
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you posed an interesting question source, but the first mention of him was the golf course that i could find. its probably not available like doniboy said but would sure be neat to find like one of his old resumes. think i read somewhere he was in the air force fwiw.
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quote:Originally posted by a surfer: The source; your brash responses do nothing to help you get answers. Its like an agenda rearing its head from under a rock.
Be respectful and ask politely and people will help.
Ok , here we go . Would someone please provide me with some DD into Rufus Paul Harris or Paul Rufus Harris's background in anything remotely related to the types of service that CSHD claims to provide their customers . I cannot find it at this time and would be gratefull of any links or general tips of where to look .
Thanks in advance and have a wonderfull day - thesource
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