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Now we have to go look for it. You said you would post it here.
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Actually, this thread isnt the place for "other" picks. His pick is #2 in the hot stocks free for all section.
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Chart - Why does the fake Tut post now have your name on it????????
10of13 taugh us a lesson a while back, she posted with Rufus' name... ha!
Her point was that "anyone" can be "anyone" and to watch sources.
So I was having fun with it! But whne I changed my name back it changed all my posts back to chartwalker...
Hope ya got a laugh! I did, that was fun! ha ha ~
-going hunting with Vice pres... -remember he shot his buddy in the butt!! ha ha ~~
Actually he shot him in the chest, neck and face. You know, I see that guy every couple of days. He works in an adjacent building. Nice guy; quite fit for his age. Too bad he hunts with morons who nearly ended his run.
For anyone wondering, he is doing fine with no ill effects from the incident.
... In My humble Opinion
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hey repo, you mean we are here to make money? what a unique diversion from the drama! i have actually made some money flipping other stuff but i really crave the drama!!
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Chart - Why does the fake Tut post now have your name on it????????
10of13 taugh us a lesson a while back, she posted with Rufus' name... ha!
Her point was that "anyone" can be "anyone" and to watch sources.
So I was having fun with it! But whne I changed my name back it changed all my posts back to chartwalker...
Hope ya got a laugh! I did, that was fun! ha ha ~
-going hunting with Vice pres... -remember he shot his buddy in the butt!! ha ha ~~
Actually he shot him in the chest, neck and face. You know, I see that guy every couple of days. He works in an adjacent building. Nice guy; quite fit for his age. Too bad he hunts with morons who nearly ended his run.
For anyone wondering, he is doing fine with no ill effects from the incident.
... In My humble Opinion
I'm glad to hear that he is doing well. Very lucky to have survived that.
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quote:Originally posted by Chart walker: Hey Humble, you ever talk to him about it?
-was he ticked off?.. Nothing like getting shot, boy and I thought I had bad days ~
I did ask him how he was doing after the whole ordeal. He is a solitary type, almost shy. He told me it was not nearly as bad as the media made it out to be, and that the media circus was uncomfortable. After that we mostly just nod at each other in passing.
... In My humble Opinion
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here is a link to match up a stock symbol with the market makers trading it. no match for cshd today. this link might become useful monday or tuesday.
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Well, I spent an hour at the gym throwing dumbells around while pondering Rufus's latest post. I have changed my thinking just a little because if the Euroclear no show was a bad thing Rufus would not have posted anything. I'm still uncertain of it's true meaning, but time will tell. We have no control and this is out of our hands... GLTA
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Good morning folks. I would like a word from Rufus today as I'm sure most of us would. I just can't see a positive light to put the no show in. Hopefully it was just a scheduling error or something of the like. All I knw is that Rufus has to let us know one way or the other.
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Hmmm, did i miss something when i was out of the country? When did Conversion Solutions add the letter from the CEO regarding IHUB and also the CSHD vs SEC documents to their website? Is this new or have i just not been paying enough attention?
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quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: Well, I spent an hour at the gym throwing dumbells around while pondering Rufus's latest post. I have changed my thinking just a little because if the Euroclear no show was a bad thing Rufus would not have posted anything. I'm still uncertain of it's true meaning, but time will tell. We have no control and this is out of our hands... GLTA
...course the other school of thought is Rufus knew we would find out so he did that to put us at ease (or he flat out lied that it's a good thing).
But a lie wouldn't make sense... Not while we are halted from trading. Why lie? We can't trade ~
And we won't be able to trade till we get a ruling and by then everyone will know what's going on.
So, for me, the lie thing doesn't pan out, -it would if the stock was trading, but we aren't.
How many times have we said this can't get any more weird... -yet it does ~
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If a company does well, the CEO gets the credit. If a company does poorly the CEO gets blamed. The way it should be. Now it is up to us to decide whether this is a good thing playing into the hands of some GRAND SCHEME, or a bunch of B.S. designed to keep us in there. Interested in what happens today.
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Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.
The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.
the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.
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I agree chart, the "lie" theory does not make much sense, what would he have to gain while we are not trading... I'm tired of the guessing game, I'm off to the links for a real meeting... Have a great day everyone, at least we're not closing in the red
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Rufus didnt say it was a good thing. In fact, i believe he started his second post with an "embarassed" smiley. I dont think he is happy about it, i just think he knew we would find out so he preferred that we got it from him. Now, he did follow it up with some thumbs up and smilies but i think he saw the tension at HSM.
Rufus himself has said how much he hates when people put a "spin" on things. So, he chose to post facts and not place a spin on it. No need to read into that IMO. If he had gone into a long explaination as to why this is ok, then id be worried.
He said we will be notified as we move forward. Thats pretty clear to me.
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quote:Originally posted by sceptor: Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.
The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.
the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.
But if Rufus HAS the bonds how could that "helped" the SEC?...
quote:Originally posted by sceptor: Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.
The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.
the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.
But if Rufus HAS the bonds how could that "helped" the SEC?...
It would have destroyed their case IMO.
Right Chart, and I believe that is exactly what we need. Correct me if I'm wrong but since this isn't a criminal case the burden of proof is on Rufus not the SEC. Rufus needs to prove beyond a doubt that the SEC's case doesn't hold water. I don't think that'll happen with Euroclear not giving a depo.
quote:Originally posted by sceptor: Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.
The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.
the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.
But if Rufus HAS the bonds how could that "helped" the SEC?...
It would have destroyed their case IMO.
They dont believe him. they got someone at fidelity to state they owned a portion of the bond. I am sure they were hoping euroclear would come back and say nope, never heard of the guy. It didnt happen.
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euroclear can only prove he has access to their exchange and validate his passwords. they cant prove he owns the bonds other than stating what they say on them.
the bank of venz. is the ones that can prove outright he owns the bonds. It is the notarized document of their transferring ownership to conversion solutions that is the proof. The fact that it can be found on gsccca.org and examined be any of us says to me it was also one of the 10 exhibits he presented in his defense.
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then why was he instructing the SEC to go to Euroclear to look at who has ownership of the bonds. Rufus has clearly stated that once the bonds are loaded into euroclear in your name or company number that you own them?
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if euroclear didn't show the court will probably issue a subpoena to whoever was supposed to show up and then a contempt of court citation if they still won't appear. this not showing up may cause another delay which imho is not good for us.
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Did you guys see my "safe" pick today? I called Mastercard at $44 and it was where I have been putting any profits I made. I always said that I would ride it to $80, but it stayed in the high $60's low $70's for a long time. Well their financials just came out and they look really good. It just hit a 52 week high of $86.65.
Too bad I sold some to get more CSHD. But hopefully my play will pay off in the long run.
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quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Chart - Why does the fake Tut post now have your name on it????????
10of13 taugh us a lesson a while back, she posted with Rufus' name... ha!
Her point was that "anyone" can be "anyone" and to watch sources.
So I was having fun with it! But whne I changed my name back it changed all my posts back to chartwalker...
Hope ya got a laugh! I did, that was fun! ha ha ~
-going hunting with Vice pres... -remember he shot his buddy in the butt!! ha ha ~~
Actually he shot him in the chest, neck and face. You know, I see that guy every couple of days. He works in an adjacent building. Nice guy; quite fit for his age. Too bad he hunts with morons who nearly ended his run.
For anyone wondering, he is doing fine with no ill effects from the incident.
... In My humble Opinion
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quote:Originally posted by sceptor: Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.
The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.
the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.
But if Rufus HAS the bonds how could that "helped" the SEC?...
It would have destroyed their case IMO.
Right Chart, and I believe that is exactly what we need. Correct me if I'm wrong but since this isn't a criminal case the burden of proof is on Rufus not the SEC. Rufus needs to prove beyond a doubt that the SEC's case doesn't hold water. I don't think that'll happen with Euroclear not giving a depo.
I may be incorrect here, but every kind of case, civil or criminal, is "innocent until proven guilty". Criminal is generally "beyond a reasonable doubt" and Civil is "by a preponderance of the evidence". Anyone else heard these rules?
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Good Morning ... guess we're all ready for more info from HQ! This speculation stuff can be a rat race!
My thought on the Euroclear no show, is that the SEC subpoened them and they basically thumbed their nose at the SEC. Euroclear is apparently not feeling compelled to comply at the SEC's beck and call. All in good time my pretty! ... Our time!
I'm sure Rufus finds some humor in the fact that the SEC is not getting, or going to get, their way in this matter! JMO
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quote:Originally posted by sceptor: Try and think of the euroclear no show in this manner.
The sec wanted to depose them. the sec is the prosecution. the sec does not want to help cshd in proving they are innocent. the sec wanted euroclear as a witness against cshd and rufus so it would bolster their other testimony they have against them.
the no show failed to add to the sec's case against cshd. for that reason it is a good thing.
Sceptor the deposition probably was to be held in the office of one of the lawyers but was part of the court hearing. The judge is the person who set up the deposition for evidence. The ONLY way it would be good for us by them not appearing is because the depo was no longer needed or it was accepted by phone. I believe that they found enough evidence that the bonds were ours so the depo wasn't necessary.
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preponderance of the evidence n. the greater weight of the evidence required in a civil (non-criminal) lawsuit for the trier of fact (jury or judge without a jury) to decide in favor of one side or the other. This preponderance is based on the more convincing evidence and its probable truth or accuracy, and not on the amount of evidence. Thus, one clearly knowledgeable witness may provide a preponderance of evidence over a dozen witnesses with hazy testimony, or a signed agreement with definite terms may outweigh opinions or speculation about what the parties intended . Preponderance of the evidence is required in a civil case and is contrasted with "beyond a reasonable doubt," which is the more severe test of evidence required to convict in a criminal trial. No matter what the definition stated in various legal opinions, the meaning is somewhat subjective.
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