quote:Originally posted by glassman: i think they are deciding how to split up the cake DQ... terrorism has been good for Putins oil biz... no doubt, but the Russians and the Chinese both realise actual WW is bad for profits...they want just enough trouble to make good profits...
OK, the UN is about to vote on strong sanctions against N Korea...
this will be pivotal...
we can expect to get an idea of whether the US/Russia/China coalition is here or not...
i'm betting that we are going to work together
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Not a bad idea Glassman, US and Russia haven't done any REAL world carving since post WWII(1945-46)
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Sure do.. and yes I am filled with glee. It's going to happen anyway Gordo.. I'm researching global wind patterns and looking at some eddies and radiation free zones.. Gotta be prepared.
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Friday that Israel could not harm Iran, even as it expanded its offensive into Lebanon to target the Iranian-backed Hizbullah, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported.
"Despite the barbaric and criminal nature of the occupiers of Jerusalem, the regime and its Western supporters do not even have the power to give Iran a nasty look," the agency quoted Ahmadinejad as saying in Osku, in northwestern Iran.
His declaration came just hours after he warned Israel against extending its Lebanon assault into neighboring Syria, saying such a move would be seen as an attack against the whole Islamic world. Ahmadinejad made those comments in a telephone conversation with Syrian President Bashar Assad, to assure him of his support, IRNA reported.
Syria and Shi'ite Muslim Iran are allies, and together are the top backers of the Shi'ite Hizbullah guerrilla group in Lebanon.
Israel has intensified its attacks on Lebanon, striking bridges, airports and the main highway leading to Syria to put pressure on the government and force Hizbullah to free the two Israeli soldiers it kidnapped in a cross-border attack on Wednesday.
Ahmadinejad also said attacks and threats against Lebanon and Syria prove that Israel's "fake regime" would not survive under peaceful conditions, and he urged Israel's allies to stop supporting its military operations.
"One day all supporters of Israel, especially the US, should be held accountable," he said.
He held Israel responsible for unjust conditions in neighboring countries, saying Israel's "impudence and shamelessness" help deny the region of advanced technology.
"Opposition to Iran's achievements toward peaceful nuclear technology is an example," Ahmadinejad said.
Iran is under international pressure to suspend its nuclear program and resume negotiations over a package of incentives offered last month by permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany. The Islamic country could face punishment by the council if it rejects the package.
The US accuses Iran of using its civilian nuclear program as a cover to build weapons. Teheran has denied the charges, saying its nuclear program is geared only toward generating electricity.
Iran and Israel have been archenemies since Iran's 1979 Islamic revolution, which toppled a pro-Western monarchy and installed an anti-Western clerical establishment in Teheran.
In April, Iran said it would give the Palestinian Authority US$50 million in aid after the terror group Hamas won power in Palestinian parliamentary elections.
Iran threatened Israel in May that it would be Iran's first retaliatory target in response to any US attack.
Last year, Ahmadinejad said the Holocaust was a myth and that Israel should be wiped out.
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It's Our War Bush should go to Jerusalem--and the U.S. should confront Iran. by William Kristol 07/24/2006, Volume 011, Issue 42
WHY IS THIS ARAB-ISRAELI WAR different from all other Arab-Israeli wars? Because it's not an Arab-Israeli war. Most of Israel's traditional Arab enemies have checked out of the current conflict. The governments of Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, and Saudi Arabia are, to say the least, indifferent to the fate of Hamas and Hezbollah. The Palestine Liberation Organization (Fatah) isn't a player. The prime mover behind the terrorist groups who have started this war is a non-Arab state, Iran, which wasn't involved in any of Israel's previous wars.
What's happening in the Middle East, then, isn't just another chapter in the Arab-Israeli conflict. What's happening is an Islamist-Israeli war. You might even say this is part of the Islamist war on the West--but is India part of the West? Better to say that what's under attack is liberal democratic civilization, whose leading representative right now happens to be the United States.
An Islamist-Israeli conflict may or may not be more dangerous than the old Arab-Israeli conflict. Secular Arab nationalism was, after all, also capable of posing an existential threat to Israel. And the Islamist threat to liberal democracy may or may not turn out to be as dangerous as the threats posed in the last century by secular forms of irrationalism (fascism) and illiberalism (communism). But it is a new and different threat. One needs to keep this in mind when trying to draw useful lessons from our successes, and failures, in dealing with the threats of the 20th century.
Here, however, is one lesson that does seem to hold: States matter. Regimes matter. Ideological movements become more dangerous when they become governing regimes of major nations. Communism became really dangerous when it seized control of Russia. National socialism became really dangerous when it seized control of Germany. Islamism became really dangerous when it seized control of Iran--which then became, as it has been for the last 27 years, the Islamic Republic of Iran.
No Islamic Republic of Iran, no Hezbollah. No Islamic Republic of Iran, no one to prop up the Assad regime in Syria. No Iranian support for Syria (a secular government that has its own reasons for needing Iranian help and for supporting Hezbollah and Hamas), little state sponsorship of Hamas and Hezbollah. And no Shiite Iranian revolution, far less of an impetus for the Saudis to finance the export of the Wahhabi version of Sunni Islam as a competitor to Khomeini's claim for leadership of militant Islam--and thus no Taliban rule in Afghanistan, and perhaps no Hamas either.
It's of course true that Hamas--an arm of the Sunni Muslim Brotherhood--is at odds ideologically with Shia Iran, and that Shia and Sunni seem inclined to dislike, even slaughter, each other elsewhere in the Middle East. But temporary alliances of convenience are no less dangerous because they are temporary. Tell the Poles of 1939, and the French of 1940, that they really had little to worry about because the Nazi-Soviet pact was bound to fall apart.
The war against radical Islamism is likely to be a long one. Radical Islamism isn't going away anytime soon. But it will make a big difference how strong the state sponsors, harborers, and financiers of radical Islamism are. Thus, our focus should be less on Hamas and Hezbollah, and more on their paymasters and real commanders--Syria and Iran. And our focus should be not only on the regional war in the Middle East, but also on the global struggle against radical Islamism.
For while Syria and Iran are enemies of Israel, they are also enemies of the United States. We have done a poor job of standing up to them and weakening them. They are now testing us more boldly than one would have thought possible a few years ago. Weakness is provocative. We have been too weak, and have allowed ourselves to be perceived as weak.
The right response is renewed strength--in supporting the governments of Iraq and Afghanistan, in standing with Israel, and in pursuing regime change in Syria and Iran. For that matter, we might consider countering this act of Iranian aggression with a military strike against Iranian nuclear facilities. Why wait? Does anyone think a nuclear Iran can be contained? That the current regime will negotiate in good faith? It would be easier to act sooner rather than later. Yes, there would be repercussions--and they would be healthy ones, showing a strong America that has rejected further appeasement.
But such a military strike would take a while to organize. In the meantime, perhaps President Bush can fly from the silly G8 summit in St. Petersburg--a summit that will most likely convey a message of moral confusion and political indecision--to Jerusalem, the capital of a nation that stands with us, and is willing to fight with us, against our common enemies. This is our war, too.
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I like that article. It really sums up the situation.
No Iran...no problems.
I think we can use Iraq to prove that. The people fighting in Iraq are hardly the Iraqis themselves. Turds from Syria and Iran are inciting insurgencies. the only time iraqis become insurgents is because they were loyal to Saddam or they just saw some idiot marines light up their family so they join the cause. the overall consensus in the country is that they want to live in peace and freedom.
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Was listening to Glen Beck's show from Friday and I think.. as usual he hit the nail on the head when he said... This is ALL a setup. Iran is setting Israel up.
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quote:Originally posted by Relentless Despot.: Was listening to Glen Beck's show from Friday and I think.. as usual he hit the nail on the head when he said... This is ALL a setup. Iran is setting Israel up.
Trust me...the only thing Iran is setting Israel up for is to have themselves blown back to biblical times...HOW THEY LIKE IT!
65% of Irans population is 25yrs old or younger and THEY WANT THERE MTV DAMMIT! The Mullahs are trying to galvanize there youth because they know their country is slipping!
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I've been saying for three years, drop some MTV on their azzes, and some mp3, and they'll figure it out.
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Shouldn't be much longer now. Wonder if the penny market will echo the dow when war is declared or if our little startups and scams will go on uneffected?
Thank God I live in the city. I think we will see $4-$5 gas here soon. MY feet will get a little sore but better that than my wallet.
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Thank goodness you don't live within sight (or smell) of a refinery, you'd be paying top dollar. Apparently if you have to have the gas shipped to you, it gets cheaper by the mile.,
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65% of Irans population is 25yrs old or younger and THEY WANT THERE MTV DAMMIT! The Mullahs are trying to galvanize there youth because they know their country is slipping!
yes,
and?
as you watch the pictures of crowded residential areas in Lebanon?
you need to remeber that Hezbolah launches rockets out of these buildings....
they have rockets and launchers stashed in civilian areas....
the rockets are NOTHING but terrorist tools...they have no gudance...once lit? they just go and drop wherever they are pointed......
the Iraq war has weakened the will of many people to fight terroism, NOT because war weakens peoples will, but because CERTAIN buttheads have been trying to defend there desire to go to war in iraq with anti-terrorism propaganda...
do not allow yourself to be confused about the difference....
hezbolah and hamas are terrorist organisations....
Israel is striking terrorists sites...
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LOL, and taking sadam out really hurt them?
like i said? i'm not anti-war.. i just think there's better ways to fight than we have...
we could have recruited hollywood to work on movies that changed percerptions, for instance..
you can take polls all over the world outside the US... even in Britain, our closest ally?, people balme Bush for making terrorism worse.... i guess the GOP base is the only group of people on the planet that know the truth....
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I don't give a rat's a$$ what the world thinks. By all counts the rest of the world is one toilet and three stop signs from being third world. The rest of the world is ruled by europansy mentalities. We did not make terrorism worse.. we just exposed what was already there.
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