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glassman
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that's right, dubya is a carpetbagger too isn't he?

he's in Memphis today..

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I for one am sick of the Republicans and the Democraps alike. The last couple of elections it always seems like the guy in between i favor most. But im hesitant to waste a vote like i did on Perot. How come the independant party has no voice? Im sick of this left/right crap.... all these friggen crooks with their egos and agendas!!!!!im swinging back to the middle

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Haven't heard "carpetbagger" in a long time, let alone read it. LOL
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rimsco, middle ? Tried that, felt like a slug sandwhich.
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Yes. The only school he ever attended that wasn't a private New England one that provided "gentlemen's grades" (if you don't know what that is, two fact are implied: 1. you ain't ever getting one and 2. you never served time in academia) was The University of Texas Law School, which initially rejected his application because of his poor academic credentials and then allowed him in only when the representatives from the goon squad were sent from Washington with promises and suggestions of what would come to pass otherwise.

Once in the Law School, dubya did indeed distinguish himself academically as the only student ever to be flunked out before reaching the halfway point of his first semester.

We are not talking of someone with any noticable or subtle form of intellect, but with every form of lack of tact, grace, fair play, and honesty.

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yeah but he's got a good down home TV persona...
hyuckhyuck [Razz]

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Enough of the Bush bashing.....its like beatin up on a 5yr old quadrapelegic with down syndrom

its a waste of time

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twue....
but you you started it nah.... [Razz]

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this is being reported out of Australia:

Israel warns: free soldier or PM dies
Middle East correspondent Martin Chulov
July 01, 2006
ISRAEL last night threatened to assassinate Palestinian Prime Minister Ismael Haniyeh if Hamas militants did not release a captured Israeli soldier unharmed.

The unprecedented warning was delivered to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in a letter as Israel debated a deal offered by Hamas to free Corporal Gilad Shalit.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19645805-601,00.html

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Glass check it out.. i translated into Palestinian

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Originally posted by glassman:
this is being reported out of Australia:

Israel terrorists group warns: free militant or PM dies
Middle East correspondent Martin Chulov
July 01, 2006
ISRAELI terrorists last night threatened to assassinate Palestinian Prime Minister Ismael Haniyeh if Hamas military did not release a captured Israeli militant unharmed.

The unprecedented warning was delivered to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in a letter as Israel debated a deal offered by Hamas to free Corporal Gilad Shalit.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19645805-601,00.html



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Isnt it illegal to assassinate the leader of another ummmm errrrr uhhhhhh BOROUGH?!

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especially if he's elected?

who cares?

Pepper MadorSad: Mikey got with Sharon, Sharon got Sheriee
She was sharin' Sharon's outlook on the topic of disease
Mikey had a facial scar and Bobby was a racist
They were all in love dying they were doin' it in Texas
Tommy played piano like a kid out in the rain then he lost his leg in Dallas he was dancin' with the train
They were all in love with dying they were drinkin' from a fountian
That is pouring like an avalance coming down the mountian
I don't mind the sun sometimes the images it shows
I can taste you on my lips and smell you in my clothes
Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies
You never know just how you look through other people's eyes
Some will die in hot pursuit and firey auto crashes
Some will die in hot pursuit while sifting through my ashes
Some will fall in love with life and drink it from a fountian
That is pouring like and avalance coming down the mountian
I don't mind the sun sometimes the images it shows
I can taste you on my lips and smell you in my clothes
Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies
You never know just how you look through other people's eyes
Another Mikey took a knife while arguing in traffic
Flipper died a natural death he caught a nasty virus
Then there was the ever-present football player rapist they were all in love with dying they were doin' it in Texas
Holly caught a bullet but it only hit his leg
While it should have been a better shot he got him in the head
They were all in love with dying they were drinkin' from a fountian
That was pouring like an avalance coming down the mountian
I don't mind the sun sometimes the images it shows
I can taste you on my lips and smell you in my clothes
Cinnamon and sugary and softly spoken lies
You never know just how you look through other people's eyes


war is spelled KILL

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My point was, there breaking the "rules" as we like to call them

kinda like we did

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I agree with you....if there werent any rules maybe people would be less likely to resort to it

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i don't see the Israeli's as the problem in the mideast...

i see the Palestinains as the problem...

i'm tired of these losers trying to make martyrs out of themselves...they've been given plnety of opportunities get their chit together, and they refuse to....
HAMAS? they are terroists... and they are in charge of their country now...

the war on terror is getting stale....

why? because the stupid buthole politicians are using it as an excuse to run roughshod over the American people....

you wanna know what i really think? we are fighting a few thousand people, and hundreds of millions of US are paying way too much...

cost benefit analysis?

we are getting ripped off in the war on terror...

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Good point....but dont forget that we are in this situation because of the israeli's.... just like they wanted

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we choose to suport the Israelis for valid reasons....

why is Islam so deadset on destroying Israel?
it might be racism? eh?

Islamist countries do not share our views on religious freedom... they probably never will...

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Yeah because they're the only democracy in the middle east...could that be considered reverse racism? eh? supporting the iraeli's simply cause they hold elections? Didnt Palestine hold elections? Oh thats right it blew up in everybodys face! Kinda like one of there refugees!

theres two sides to every story...and from now on im on neither one!

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Israel's Gaza incursion just a big show?
Aaron Klein says PM Olmert afraid to order any significant operation

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Posted: June 29, 2006
6:26 p.m. Eastern


By Aaron Klein


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KIBBUTZ NAHAL OZ – In following most major media coverage of the events here the past few days, one would think Israel has been conducting a massive assault against the Gaza Strip in response to the attack Sunday of an Israeli military station and the kidnapping of an Israeli soldier.

In actuality, the Jewish state's response in Gaza thus far has been mostly a show. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has every reason politically to ensure things don't escalate. Whether they do at this point is largely up to Hamas and the group's Iranian and Syrian backers.

Some Israeli ground troops entered the southern Gaza Strip but have not been authorized to conduct any operations there other than to remain on the ground. The Israeli Air Force conducted a few surgical strikes of empty training camps and a bridge. Artillery was fired today at vacated sections of northern and southern Gaza, with one round hitting an electric facility. The artillery fire was in response to Palestinian rocket attacks today on Jewish communities near the Gaza border.


Troops may soon make their way into northern Gaza, but defense officials say these units, too, are not authorized to do very much. The incursion to the north has been delayed reportedly due to diplomatic movement regarding the hostage situation. Should the IDF enter the north, heavy Palestinian resistance is widely expected. The areas there are ripe with terror cells. Terrorist leaders already announced they have placed booby traps "and other surprises" all along the northern routes.

Israel's operation in Gaza currently is aimed at pressuring the Hamas government to release the kidnapped soldier, 19-year old French-Israeli citizen Gilad Shalit, and at sealing off the Gaza Strip to ensure Shalit is not transported to the bordering Egyptian Sinai desert, which is saturated with al-Qaida linked terror cells sympathetic to the Palestinian ploy.

The IDF maintains Shalit is being held in Khan Yunis, an overpopulated city in the central-to-southern Gaza Strip. Defense Minister Amir Peretz has warned if the Israeli captive is not released, a major assault may be launched against Khan Yunis, possibly including house-to-house searches in certain areas.

Defense officials for months have been petitioning Olmert to authorize a large-scale operation in Gaza to help stop the Palestinian rockets regularly fired from the territory aimed at nearby Jewish communities. Since Israel evacuated the Strip last August, more than 800 rockets have been launched by Palestinians. An average of 40 rockets per week were fired the past month at Sderot, an pre-1967 Israeli town about three miles from Gaza.

Olmert has restricted the Israeli army thus far to responding to rocket fire with aerial and artillery bombardments of Qassam launch sites, but the actions have failed to stop or even stem the flow of Qassam attacks. Instead, the terrorists simply have moved their rocket-firing sites from peripheral areas in Gaza to heavily populated Gaza towns, prompting some of the recent Israeli retaliation to cause Palestinian civilian casualties.

Senior defense leaders hope to use the current Israeli ground incursion into Gaza to cleanse hot zones there of terror cells and Qassam missile factories.

But an Israeli escalation in Gaza is unlikely. It doesn't fit Olmert's political objectives.

His Kadima party won elections last March by a slim plurality campaigning on the platform of enforcing an Israeli withdrawal from Judea and Samaria, which Olmert says will enhance Israel's security by separating from the Palestinians.

Kadima's founder, former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, ten months ago evacuated Gaza also promising enhanced security.

Since the Gaza withdrawal was carried out, rockets have been flying, Hamas has been elected to power and both Israeli and Palestinian officials have stated al-Qaida has infiltrated the territory. Neighboring Egypt recently announced the terrorists who carried out April's deadly triple-bomb blasts in the Sinai resort town of Dahab trained for the operation in the Gaza Strip with local Palestinians. It said Israel's withdrawal has been threatening Egyptian security.

Military and political leaders, including senior Gaza commanders, Kadima government cabinet members and former defense ministers have been calling on Israel to reoccupy parts of Gaza to stop the Qassam firings.

The final blow to the Kadima claim of the Gaza withdrawal enhancing Israel's security would be delivered if the IDF is ordered to conduct a major operation inside the territory. Olmert realizes this and is for now loathe to authorize much more than the current blockade of Gaza's borders.

A terror threat that must be met with military force in Gaza would highlight the security risks of Olmert's proposed evacuation of most of Judea and Samaria – mountainous terrain within rocket firing range of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv and the country's international airport.

Also, Sharon told the Israeli public that the international community would support anti-terror operations in Gaza if the Palestinians dared to use areas vacated by Israel to stage attacks.

Olmert repeatedly has stated a withdrawal in Judea and Samaria would be met with similar international understanding regarding the necessity of Israeli operations there, should the Palestinians use vacated territory to attack.

But as WND reported today, the international community the past 48-hours has almost unanimously called on Israel to retreat from Gaza. This while ground troops in Gaza have not even conducted any sort of operation other than to enter the territory. If Olmert orders a major Gaza attack and the international community balks, the Israeli public will take note and may be reluctant to support a Judea and Samaria withdrawal.

Already Olmert's poll numbers are down. A survey conducted last week found 70 percent of Israelis now oppose a Judea and Samaria withdrawal and most here who supported last summer's evacuation of the Gaza Strip now say it was a bad idea. Another poll commissioned by the Haaretz newspaper and released two weeks ago found only 35 percent of the Israeli public is pleased with Olmert's performance as prime minister. Israeli leaders typically enjoy wide public support in the early stages of their terms.

Olmert also needs to contend with regional issues. Violence in Gaza could prompt street protests across the Muslim world. The Muslim Brotherhood, the largest Egyptian opposition group, already has threatened riots in Egypt and Jordan unless Israel leaves Gaza.

Olmert, though, may have no choice but to authorize soon the IDF to act in some larger capacity. It all depends on Hamas. If Shalit is killed, the Israeli public will demand retribution. If Palestinian groups attack IDF troops already in Gaza, the military will need to respond.

Islamic Jihad and the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terror organizations also have threatened to carry out suicide attacks inside Israel unless the ground troops retreat. Such attacks would easily complicate matters.

As well, Israel is on high alert along its northern border with Lebanon, where Hezbollah guerillas are stationed with more than10,000 short and medium range missiles pointed at Israeli towns. There is fear primary Hezbollah backers Syria and Iran will attempt to escalate the conflict by drawing Israel into border clashes.

Syria and Iran – the largest sponsors of Hamas – are keys to Hamas actions. Both seek to use Israeli-Palestinian violence to distract from mounting international pressures against their respective regimes. The G8 summit is soon set to focus on Iran. A war in Gaza could dominate summit discussions instead. Iran and Syria both need Gaza violence.

In fact Israeli security officials earlier this week told WorldNetDaily they have information the terrorists who carried out the Hamas raid and Shalit kidnapping were trained by Iranian Revolutionary Guard units and Hezbollah guerillas. The information comes in part from a Hamas terrorist allegedly involved in the plot who was arrested by Israeli forces in Gaza the day before the kidnapping.

Overall Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal, who is thought to have ordered Sunday's Hamas attack that started the whole ordeal, resides in Syria and is said to be subordinate to the Damascus and Tehran regimes. Diplomatic mediators involved in efforts to free Shalit told reporters it is Meshaal's reluctance that has been the main obstacle. Meshaal could order a Hamas escalation, which would demand an Israeli response.

Meanwhile, here at Nahal Oz, the main military station that borders Gaza, troops say they want to be put to work. Thousands of Israeli soldiers, mostly from two elite IDF brigades, were bused here two days ago and have been ordered to stand ready for a ground invasion.

"We want to go get Shalit already," said one soldier.

A senior commander involved in operational planning told WND, "Everyone is waiting to see if Olmert will order what must be done."

He said it was Israel's failure to respond forcefully to the Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza the past 10 months that led to Sunday's Hamas operation.

"Since August, the rockets have been regularly fired and attacks have been staged from Gaza," said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to talk to the media.

"The defense establishment has been calling for a harsh response, but not much has been ordered aside from surgical strikes. It was the loss of Israeli deterrence that emboldened the terror groups to perform their daring operation this week. Deterrence must be restored."

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Gaza militants demand 1,000 prisoners for Israeli
Fri Jun 30, 2006 9:38 PM ET


By Nidal al-Mughrabi

GAZA (Reuters) - Palestinian militant factions who captured an Israeli soldier demanded on Saturday that Israel free 1,000 prisoners from its jails and end an assault on Gaza launched to win the soldier's release.

A statement from the groups -- the second since Corporal Gilad Shalit was captured in a raid across Gaza's frontier on Sunday -- appeared to cast doubt on the hopes of mediators that diplomacy could soon get him free.

Israel has said repeatedly that it will not consider releasing prisoners in exchange for the 19-year-old tank gunner. Israeli officials were not available for comment.

"We are declaring to the public our just and humanitarian demands," said the statement faxed to news agencies by the armed wing of the governing Hamas Islamist group, the Popular Resistance Committees and Army of Islam.

It repeated an earlier call to free women prisoners and minors in exchange for information on Shalit -- the group has not said if he is dead or alive -- but also demanded the release of 1,000 "Palestinian, Arab and Muslim prisoners."

It said these would have to include all Palestinian faction leaders as well as humanitarian cases.

"Military Statement Number Two" did not specify that this would be in exchange for Shalit's release. Abu Ubaida, a spokesman for the Hamas armed wing, said that was what it meant.

The crisis has sent Israeli-Palestinian relations to new lows and piled more pressure on the Hamas Islamist government, already straining under a U.S.-led aid embargo to get it to renounce violence and drop its vow to destroy Israel.

Appearing to cast doubt on prospects for mediation, the statement insisted that Israel "end all aggression" in the occupied West Bank as well its operations in Gaza.

"The escalation and arrogance mean the enemy will be responsible for the bad consequences," it said. There was no specific threat to Shalit.

OFFENSIVE ON HOLD

Israeli aircraft fired missiles at training camps for militants early on Saturday, but the Jewish state kept on hold a threatened ground assault into northern Gaza. Diplomats said that was partly to give Egyptian-led mediation a chance.

Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas demanded an end to the Israeli offensive on Friday and said it was complicating efforts to end the standoff.

He said he was working to end the crisis together with the Egyptians and President Mahmoud Abbas, a moderate.

Diplomats said Egypt was trying to get Syria to lean on Damascus-based Hamas leaders with greater sway over the armed wing than Haniyeh.

Israel says it is not playing any role in the mediation and has rejected the possibility of freeing some of its thousands of Palestinian prisoners in an exchange similar to past deals it has made with Lebanese and Palestinian guerrillas.

Israeli tanks entered the southern Gaza Strip this week in the biggest push into the territory since Israel pulled out troops and settlers last year after 38 years of occupation.

Air strikes have targeted roads, bridges, areas used to fire rockets and the Interior Ministry offices. Two militants have been killed. The army said they were members of squads trying to fire rockets into Israel.

The Palestinians urged the U.N. Security Council on Friday to press Israel to quickly end its offensive, but the United States said Syria and Iran must first end their role as "state sponsors of terror" and condemn Hamas militants.

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yur welcome Leo....seemed aproppriate at the time..

if these guys are so in love with dyin? maybe it's time somebody made 'em happy for a change...

they are obviously pretty miserable right now...

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A man who I hold a lot of respect for once surprised me by saying, "Nuke 'em all and let God sort 'em out."
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i've never been anti-war, i just don't care much for being lied to like we have been...esp by a guy i voted for.....

yeah yeah, i know Bush was tricked too....
sheesh he's suppposed to be the one that makes sure everybody he hires is doing their job RIGHT, not covering up for them or making them cover up for him...

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Yep, he's turned out to be a sham as far as being "conservative" or even mildly right winged.
He should have been honest about Iraq.. there was a bit of the WMD's for a reason to go there.. it was mostly strategic and he should have said that from the begining.

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I just want to know, where's my damned cheap Iraqi gas?
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That was a lie the liberals forwarded...
They were quite vocal that Iraq was all about the oil.. bla bla.. yet again they were missing the point.

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comeon relelentless....you tellin' me this was a humanitarian venture?

something went wrong..... i haven't figured out yet exaclty where or who, but somebody messed up pretty bad..

if this was the strategy all along? it appears to me this "strategic effort" was to reduce world oil supply so the oil co's could make more profits...
Iraq's "missing" million barrels a day of oil is costing 15 to 20$ per barrel according to market analysts...and? one would think that after 2 years? the Iraq oil flow would be above pre-invasion levels again....

i think something the neo-cons planned got stomped on by the big oil co's.... the neo-cons thought they were gonna create a new big oil co to compete with EXXON, Shell and BP....and it may still happen...

how does one make the big oil co's happy enough to let a new player "in"... give them several years of record profits so they can be even bigger than the new kid on the block? maybe... just maybe...


politics is nasty game...

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I already told you what it was.. strategic.
We now have land bases on either side of Iran.

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Glass, the logic that we went to Iraq soley for the oil is flawed.. It wasn't us who was fighting for oil in Iraq.. it was the worthless French, Russians and Germans.
It is abundantly clear that WW3 is coming.. Bush is just setting up the chess board.
Any other notions at this point are quite simply wrong.
The fact that the government isn't just allowing.. but encouraging 93 million mexicans into this country is clearly part of the scheme.. We're going to need soldiers... bunches of them.
The rumors about the US, Mexico and Canada forming a large American union is part of it as well...

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i disagree...
Bush Cheney and Rummy are not chess players.. they are checkers players..

we have no need, nor did we have a need to put bases on the iraq side...

Afghanistan was plenty...
and we could have put our efforts into Afghanistan and made it a model free state...
instead? we divided our efforts and spread ourselves too thin...
if anything? spreading ourselves too thin has made your vision of nuclear war more likely...

the buildup of public support for the invasion of Iraq is the very model of a pump andump isn't it?
a small amount of data (wrong data) is leaked from the same source in several "directions" then allowed to be spread from those "separate sources" until people begin to believe the bad data is common knowledge...

same thing happened with the Plame affair...

i can't count how many fools have said she wasn't covert, she wasn't classified that her position was common knowledge.... and yet? there was a Special Prosecutor hired AFTER the Atty Genereral said he felt the leak came from inside the White House and hterefore he needed a Spec Pros. to investigate it fairly... i suppose Ashecroft was mistaken too??? nope, these guys are liars... no other way to put it...

and it has been rumored that Plame was actually working on Irans nuke program... talk about shooting yourself in the azz???

more pumpandump..... there have been so many lies nobody even knows what's true anymore...


if we went in Iraq just to have a postition there? then we would never have allowed the insurgency to get started...

the only reason we haven't invaded Iran already is that oil would go to $200... China needs their oil... Russia wants oil at 200$... they have oil that's too expensive to get even at the current prices? Russian oil is not profitable enough...

Iraq is a thorn in our foot right now, not an asset...

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I only wish there was a checkmate solution...
Nukes wouldn't do it.....A few loose cannons in the mix make it un-feasible, from a strategic Military standpoint.
As a weapon of revenge? Yes, I do see the day one is used....This country went ape ka ka for revenge after 911, and I agree with the attack in Afanganistan..However, in retrospect, all I wanted was revenge, A competetent Leader of the free World should of known better.

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oh I'm not saying they did it right..
They've screwed it up pretty bad so far.
The insurgency was more of a problem than they thought it would be..
They knew there would be terrorists rushing in to fight the zionist invaders.. but I think they figured the press wouldn't have highlighted that story so much... obviously wrong.
Thorn or asset?
kinda goes both ways I think...
Thorn for obvious reasons...
Asset because Israel is about to get into it with Palestine.. syria... maybe a few others.. Taking Iraq out of that scuffle is an asset.

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3rd Israeli kidnapped?
Claim by Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades follows order to compete with Hamas

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Posted: July 1, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Aaron Klein


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© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com
A senior leader of the Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terrorist group told WorldNetDaily today it had kidnapped a third Israeli – a 23-year-old reservist who has been listed as missing by Israeli authorities.

According to the Al Aqsa source, the seized soldier is Shmuel Haymen from the city of Halon, Israel. A birthdate of Aug. 24, 1982 and Haymen's official ID number – withheld by WND – were provided as proof.

The claimed kidnapping comes a day after an official in President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah party ordered Al Aqsa members to begin abducting Israelis in order to capture some of the support and prestige flowing to Hammas from the kidnapping of Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, according to information provided to WND by a senior Palestinian security official.


As first reported by WorldNetDaily, a spokesman for the Popular Resistance Committees terrorist organization, claimed to have kidnapped a second Israeli from northern Samaria earlier this week.

According to the Al Aqsa leader, Haymen will be released if the current siege of Gaza ends and Israel releases prisoners.

A spokesman for the Israeli Defense Force told WND the claim of Haymen's kidnapping is being investigated, but there are reports that the reservist has been out of the country for a month, raising the possibility Al Aqsa is merely in possession of a lost identity card.

Earlier this week, Al Aqsa claimed to have kidnapped 62-year-old Noah Moskowitz, whose body was found near his hometown of Rishon LeTzion. Authorities, however, say he died of natural causes and told Israel National News they believe the terrorists are scanning reports of missing persons and issuing claims of kidnapping to frighten the public.

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RD, here's a sobering thought I have had for several days now....How many really did hit us, and look what has become of them......I know the simplicity is agrevating, believe me, I have had a struggle with it as well..None the less it keeps dogging me.
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