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glassman
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too bad they won't just try to land down at the beach on Deer Island for a toe-to-toe huh?

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LOL.. man how happy I would be.
I can hit deer island from my house with a .22
Me and a bunch of rednecks sitting on the beach
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We have to learn to embrace their threats and and show them that we fear NOTHING!!! I think they forget how vicious we can be once we get off our fat lazy asses!

BRING IT!! YOU'LL LOSE THE NUMBERS GAME!!!!

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Israeli's made some nice progress over the past couple of days.......

BIG UP!!!

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Sounds like dubya saying, "BRING IT ON".....

Sadly, they brought it on.

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In this particular situation...its better then sounding like Clinton saying, "LETS SEND THEM A NASTY LETTER"....

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Clinton never said such a thing.

Why do you guys insist on bashing an EX-president and why do you have to make up tales that are nothing but lies to do so?

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I was referring to SANCTIONS...c'mon

Why do you guys insist on bashing an acting president of their own country. why dont you move to one of the other 190+ countries and see how its tolerated. OH GOD!..... the guys a screw up its no secret..anybody with half a brain knows this. Give it a rest and stop feeding into the undermining and sabatoge of your country.

You people are soooo friggen smart you dont even realize the consequences at seeing this guy fail.

bunch of programmed dopes! relax he'll be out in 3 years......and Giuliani will be in!! LOLOLOL

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You were telling a lie about someone that can't do anything now and that's the sum and total of it.

The hopeless failure is in ofice now.

What dubya's ignorance has brought onto the U.S.A. with his simple minded school yard bully approach to diplomacy will take generations to overcome, IF it ever can be.

What he desires is a bunch of programmed dupes goose stepping and heiling to the leader.

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They said the same thing about Reagan when he was confronting the ruskies..
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Iran testing Israel ahead of confrontation?
Lebanese leader says Tehran trying out its weapons, intel in Hezbollah conflict

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Posted: July 27, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Aaron Klein


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© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


Druze leader Walid Jumblatt (radiofarda.com)
JERUSALEM – Tehran is using Hezbollah's confrontation with the Jewish state to test the abilities of Iranian weapons and to observe Israeli military capabilities, Lebanon's Druze leader Walid Jumblatt charged in a WorldNetDaily interview yesterday.

Jumblatt also said he fears Syria will take advantage of the growing crisis in Lebanon to reassert its influence in the country and convince the international community Syrian domination of Lebanon is crucial to the stability of the Middle East.

He warned Damascus might initiate a wave of terror in Lebanon following Israel's military campaign there to further destabilize the country, including by assassinating the Lebanese prime minister.


"Iran is bringing in [to Lebanon] sophisticated weaponry," said Jumblatt who is head of Lebanon's Progressive Socialist Party and is largely considered the most prominent anti-Syrian Lebanese politician. "The Iranians are actually experimenting with different kinds of missiles in Lebanon by shooting them at the Israelis. Iran is using this violence to test certain of [Israel's] abilities,"

Iran is accused of supplying Hezbollah was thousands of rockets the terror group has launched the past three weeks into northern Israeli population centers, including Haifa, the country's third largest city. Many of the fired rockets have been Katyushas he says were upgraded by Iran. Hezbollah is also in possession of Iranian Zalzel missiles, with a range of about 125 miles, making Tel Aviv vulnerable.

Earlier this month, an Iranian Silkworm C-802 radar-guided anti-ship cruise missile struck an Israeli naval vessel, killing four soldiers. It was the first time the missile had been introduced in the battle with Israel. Military officials here say the Israeli ship's radar system was not calibrated to detect the Silkworm, which is equipped with an advanced anti-tracking system.

Jumblatt said he is worried Syria might try to gain more control of Lebanon following Israel's military campaign.

"Syria will likely try to tell the world, 'Look, see, since we left Lebanon the Cedar Revolution and the forces in Lebanon that got our military out through popular support, those forces are not able to control Lebanon. While we (the Syrians) were in control, Lebanon was a safe place. Now it's not. We need to come back in,'" said Jumblatt.

"I would not be surprised if they even try to wiggle their way into a deal by convincing the Americans that Syrian influence in Lebanon will stabilize the region," Jumblatt said.

Syria originally sent forces into Lebanon in 1976 during the Lebanese Civil War. It militarily occupied the country until Syrian troops withdrew last year under intense international pressure following the assassination of former Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Hariri, for which Damascus was widely blamed.

Hundreds of thousands of Lebanese, led by Jumblatt and other anti-Syrian politicians, had staged a "Cedar Revolution" of popular protests demanding freedom from Damascus.

Jumblatt predicted Syria will attempt to further destabilize Lebanon to advance the argument of asserting its influence in the country.

"I would not be surprised if the Syrians try to overthrow our government and assassinate [Lebanese Prime Minister Faud] Sinora. [Syrian President Bashar] Assad made comments last month about al-Qaida infiltrating Lebanon. Now Assad can send into our country the same extremists he has been sending into Iraq to blow themselves up and wreak havoc here and blame it on al-Qaida. No one can prevent him from doing this."

Asked if he feared another full-scale Syrian military occupation of Lebanon, Jumblatt replied, "Another? In truth the Syrians never left Lebanon. They triggered this war through their proxy Hezbollah. They continue to hold us hostage."

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Nice to hear someone from Lebanon telling it straight. I have very little doubt that what Jumblatt is saying is the truth.

That doesn't mean Hezbollah doesn't need to get rooted out though. Perhaps the Progressive Socialist Party will gain enough ground that they will be able to work with Israel to destroy the group. (yeah...right)

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i cant believe some of you are against israel in this.

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CCM...

i was on the road almost all day today...

i got BBC World Talk on the radio..
for two straight hours this poor Israeli Ambassador took calls from all over the world ranting on him...(moslty from England)

i couldn't beleive it... they said every nasty thing you can think of...
he kept patiently saying:

As long as Hezbolah uses human shields? They are the guilty party....

i couldn't believe the crap they dished out to him...

it's like people don't understand that Hezbolah had 12,000 rockets pointed into Israel....

sad...

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hezbollah should be the front on the war on terror. it was hezbollah who blew up the marine barracks in beruit. i would have much rather fought them than go to iraq.

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another quirk in history? the French actually did retaliate for that one...

President Ronald Reagan called the attack a "despicable act" and pledged to keep a military force in Lebanon. Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger said there would be no change in the U.S.'s Lebanon policy. On October 24 French President François Mitterrand visited the French bomb site. It was not an official visit, and he only stayed for a few hours, but he did declare: "We will stay." U.S. Vice President George Bush toured the marine bombing site on October 26 and said the U.S. "would not be cowed by terrorists."

In retaliation for the attacks, France launched an air strike in the Beqaa Valley against Iranian Revolutionary Guard positions. President Reagan assembled his national security team and planned to target the Sheik Abdullah barracks in Baalbek, Lebanon, which housed Iranian Revolutionary Guards believed to be training Hezbollah fighters. But Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger aborted the mission, reportedly because of his concerns that it would harm U.S. relations with other Arab nations.

Besides a few shellings, there was no serious retaliation for the Beirut bombing from the Americans. In December 1983, U.S. aircraft attacked Syrian targets in Lebanon, but this was in response to Syrian missile attacks on planes, not the barracks bombing.

The Marines were moved offshore where they could not be targeted. On February 7, 1984, the order was given for the Marines to begin withdrawal from Lebanon. This was completed on February 26; the rest of the MNF was withdrawn by April.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1983_Beirut_barracks_bombing

that's when i was in the Navy....
i thought we were gonna get Iran.... i joined while Carter was still in office and the hostages were being held...

this "round" prolly isn't gonna end until after we or Israel dumps a few bunker busters in Irans you know what....

Isral is deadsrt on pushing hezbolah out of Lebanon, and i don't think they are gonna leave without a lot more "help"...
it would be a good thing to settle the Iran nuke issue this year..so it isn't "lurking"

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Israel like any other nation has the right to defend itself and thats really all there is to that
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Amen to that Bond.

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Sure. As long as the punishment fits the crime.

quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
Israel like any other nation has the right to defend itself and thats really all there is to that



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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SEATTLE_SHOOTING?SITE=7219&SECTION=HOME&T EMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-07-28-20-03-32

Guy walks in and says:
'I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,'
Then starts shooting randomly...
Seems like a set up to me.

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yeah....

martyrs everywhere....

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I'll echo the same sentiment!!!

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " Ben Franklin, Founding Father


quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
Israel like any other nation has the right to defend itself and thats really all there is to that



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LOL

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Actually, the correct quote is in my signature...

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I'll echo the same sentiment!!!

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. " Ben Franklin, Founding Father


quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
Israel like any other nation has the right to defend itself and thats really all there is to that




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By BASSEM MROUE

(AP) Lebanese supporters of the Lebanese Communist party and pro-Hezbollah groups wave Lebanese and...
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BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) - The Lebanese parliamentary speaker, a prominent Shiite who has been negotiating on behalf of Hezbollah, rejected the U.S.-French draft of U.N. cease-fire resolution on Sunday because it did not include the government's plan for ending the fighting.

Nabih Berri said Lebanon would not accept any terms that did not include a government plan calling for an immediate cease-fire and withdrawal of Israeli troops.

"Lebanon, all of Lebanon, rejects any talks and or any draft resolution that does not include the seven-point government framework," Berri said at a news conference in Beirut.

Prime Minister Fuad Saniora first offered the plan, later adopted by his Cabinet, during the Rome crisis summit July 26.

The seven-point proposal calls for a mutual release of prisoners held by Israeli and Hezbollah and the withdrawal of Israeli troops from southern Lebanon. It foresees the Lebanese government taking control of southern Lebanon with the help of an international force.

The U.S.-French proposal, which was expected to go to the floor of the U.N. Security Council early this week, calls for Hezbollah to stop all military operations and for Israel to stop its offensive drive against Lebanon. The proposal would allow Israel to strike back if Hezbollah were to break a cease-fire.

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Hezbolah is now launching Ababil (swallow) UAV's...
they are guided and have a flight time of 90 minutes...
Iran makes them...
30 hp 2 cylinder engine

80 lb payload...


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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/iran/ababil.htm

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someone put saddam back in charge because he is the only one who knows how to put that country on lock down. obviously this current administration does not know how. more people dying every day now than before we invaded.

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if anyone likes country at all these guys wrote these songs while in baghdad...basically some arkansas national guard guys wondering why the hell they are in baghdad


http://www.iraq-songs.com/


my fav song is "you should have known better"

all the lyrics are pretty much on point and a direct reflections of how soldiers feel over there

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
someone put saddam back in charge because he is the only one who knows how to put that country on lock down. obviously this current administration does not know how. more people dying every day now than before we invaded.

I don't have to like the b*st*rd or his methods to admit that he did what no one before (and probably no one after) could......he stopped the internal death squads and removed the place from a pure hell of religious dogma.

An Iranian lady refugee finally got me to understaand some years ago that those people are not ready for self governance and can't be until at least a couple of generations of actual education of the children. When religion dictates to children's education, hatered is enevitable.

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Good point Bdgee, but a strong leader of a non-democratis state doesn't have to be cruel.
Either way, it's going to be a long time before they are ready for self governance.
We are pushing them too fast for an end they don't really want.

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I can't take credit for the idea, Relentless. It was suggesteed to me by an Iranian refugee.
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I can't take credit for agreeing with you.. it's was my oxygen deprived twin. [Smile]
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Oh, the smart twin.....
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lol.. yeah one of us..
You know, if you take time to think about it..
There really isn't any proof that we are capable of self governance either.

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Oh...c'mon...sure there is...

the way we've handled utility fiefdoms is *at least* anecdotal evidence that we have no clue...

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