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Griffon
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Yes you go on believing that Glass, listen to the Iranian pres.. I understand basic human nature very well: utter depravity.

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look, you are missing out on human nature here..
Iran doesn't need the nukes to face off with the paki's

they want them to prove they aren't impotent

military viagra etc???

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"It will intensify between Pakistan and India too because if I heard correctly (I collect rocks and minerals) some HUGE wealth in mineral stores has been discovered in parts of Kashmire. Some claim pegmatites that will rival Minas Gerais, Brazil as a gemstone capitol. Others also suggest there may be oil but I do not know if that has really been found."

Whos your source...SHAKERZZZ???

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quote:
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Yes you go on believing that Glass, listen to the Iranian pres.. I understand basic human nature very well: utter depravity.

you are correct, and you are in it

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so are you that's the fun dontcha see?

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Yep. They've also seen how Bush treats nations without WMDs.

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Originally posted by glassman:
look, you are missing out on human nature here..
Iran doesn't need the nukes to face off with the paki's

they want them to prove they aren't impotent

military viagra etc???



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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
look, you are missing out on human nature here..
Iran doesn't need the nukes to face off with the paki's

they want them to prove they aren't impotent

military viagra etc???

Glass.. are you reading or listening to what Iran's leader is actually saying?
He's not trying to gain nuke technology to use in defense.
His aim is the utter destruction of one of our very best friends.
He's trying to lure our friend into a trap right now in the hopes that the world will see he is justified in attacking outright... our friend.
Do you stand up for your friends?

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of course Relentless...
i was referring to the Sunni/Shia issue, which some people don't understand...


after Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said his goal is to wipe out Israel? he doesn't leave US much choice does he?
i'm all for taking out Irans nuke sites...
if they ask for it? they should get it..

things didn't have to be the way they are right now tho...
but they are what they are...

where's Superman when you need him?

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ummm.. so this means we won't be arguing for the next three years about the Iran war?
Thank God, cause our last arguement has taken a toll...

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R------> there any missle attacks today? 'been in the bunker, me specteecal is clearing from all the missle smoke....Don't see any 'Chutes yet....Red 'Chutes commies right?

Oh' O you better head for your bunker, East of you they are still launchin'...Nasty KA--boom-chu-a's

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cease fire talk on fox...for what it's worth.
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quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
ummm.. so this means we won't be arguing for the next three years about the Iran war?
Thank God, cause our last arguement has taken a toll...

RD, you really didn't believe me when i told you i wasn't anti-war?


one of my jobs when i was "in"?

i had to wear a banana suit and a breather while we handled ordnance... if an accident happened? (please no) i had to run out and pick up the "silver ball" and take it to shore for some other poor goober to carry... 3 minutsesssss is what they alloted me...
the paper work woulda lasted for months... in other words? outlasted me...

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Israeli's maximizing use of large bunker buster bombs dropped from F-15'S..Trying to minimize death of civilians to colateral damage, by non precision bombing..But' Daisy cutters can still go aray..
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EDITED!

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wow ruskin you've done it this time...Wow does that ever show an agenda..

mein kamp was only a hate filled window to the future...
A window to Hell on Earth.

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quote:
Originally posted by Dustoff 1:

mein kamp was only a window to the future...

Have you read it?

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Parts, threw the stinking thing down, then gave it back to my Father...He said thats what I grew up with in the Tennessee...We discussed the book and what happened at great length..I saw him for the first time in my life on the brink of a tear..

My father was a Doctor during WW2, in the Army, need I say any more.

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war was cruel.. war is always cruel.. millions died.. across europe and far east. IMO china suffered the worst of WW2, although it is hardly talked about.. an average of 100 people are dying in iraq daily as of today.. not to mention frequent spikes of 300-500 sometimes.. with no end in sight.. whom do we blame it on? saddam? bush? iran? or stupid iraqis?

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To late ruskin...Your post stands as anti-semetic to the 10 power...'Been watching you change like a camillion lately to fit the moment..I suggest you drop this now, I have some thinking to do...Geez man, what you have done is really a louzy thing..
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is RM quoting you out of context there dustff?

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why does criticising isreal always mean an insult to entire jewish population.. FYI jews are not just in isreal.. they are in US, in russia, in turkey, and so many places elsewhere.. i seriously dont understand why criticising isreal for its "disproportionate" war leads people to be be branded antisemetic.. and YES.. i would stand by a christian anytime if i have to take a stand against a jew and christian..

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Relentless.:
ummm.. so this means we won't be arguing for the next three years about the Iran war?
Thank God, cause our last arguement has taken a toll...

RD, you really didn't believe me when i told you i wasn't anti-war?


one of my jobs when i was "in"?

i had to wear a banana suit and a breather while we handled ordnance... if an accident happened? (please no) i had to run out and pick up the "silver ball" and take it to shore for some other poor goober to carry... 3 minutsesssss is what they alloted me...
the paper work woulda lasted for months... in other words? outlasted me...

no, I actually believe you about that.. I just knew you were missing the point with the Iraq war..
Bush did a horrible job of outlining why we had to go there.. the commie media did a great job of avoiding logic when they were trying to get their boys back in power.
Messy situation all around.
At any rate I'm pretty sure that in a couple years time, we will see the Iraq battle as little more than a goose bump in comparrison.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by glassman:
is RM quoting you out of context there dustff? [/QUOTE
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WTF are you talking about dude..Spit it out.

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something got edited here.. just wondering what...

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Is there a loose cannon mod? weird stuff going on in the edit department..A mole? a renagade..
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wtf? you may be right, Dusty...

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Adventures in microcapitalism...

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Important Distinctions:

Criticism of the Israeli Government isn't anti-Semitic.

Criticism of the Bush Administration isn't anti-American.

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true GB...
politics and religion mix....
but
they can be dangerous, like alcohol and gunpowder...

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the edit button or you reported your own post saved ole ruskins behind..LOL

You dodged an A bomb there dude..

you must of' 'went to thinking toooo.

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quote:
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you must of' 'went to thinking toooo.

kind of right on that... the post didnt reflect what I wanted to say.. so i edited it...

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"whom do we blame it on? saddam? bush? iran? or stupid iraqis?"

I would say the first three with the colonial and Cold War powers as well. US, Britain, France, Germany and Russia. All armed and encouraged Saddy, even after the Kurd and Iran gassings. All profitted at various stages along the way from Saddam's death dealing, except Iran which is the sole late comer to the Iraqi killing fields but they are fast catching up.

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Roy Bass emerged from the Mediterranean waves at noon Friday for a Popsicle break when, surfboard in hand, he heard his cell phone ringing on the beach. It was a recorded message: "An emergency draft has been activated."

Four hours later, the 27-year-old computer programmer was at an army base, in full uniform, preparing to head to Israel's northern border, where troops were massing to take on Hezbollah guerrillas in Lebanon.



Israel's mighty military is comprised of thousands like Bass _ ordinary civilians who, at a moment's notice, respond to the call to arms.

On Friday, several thousand reservists were drafted for immediate, emergency duty. By Friday night, the army chief of staff announced the response was full, plus thousands who volunteered on their own initiative.

"The reserves have proven themselves once again," said Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, the army chief of staff.

The enthusiastic response highlights the intimate relationship Israel has with its army. Nearly every Jewish Israeli has served in the army, and opinion polls consistently show the army to be the country's most trusted institution.

Since Israel became independent in 1948, reserves have been the backbone of its military, conditioned to drop everything and be mobilized within a day or two to back up the far smaller core of active duty soldiers. Men from all walks of life _ and increasingly women with special skills _ instantly become soldiers again.

Israel's standing army of about 186,500 troops can jump to 631,500 with rapid mobilization, according to figures from the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies.

The system has proven effective in all of Israel's wars. In 1973, when Egypt and Syria attacked en masse on the Jewish holy day of Yom Kippur, thousands of reservists were summoned from their homes and synagogues and rushed to the front lines to push back the offensive.

Despite Israel's increasing reliance on technological superiority, military service remains a rite of passage. All 18-year-old men are drafted for three years and will continue to do reserves for about a month a year into their 40s, by which time many will have sons in the army or reserves. Women are drafted for two years.

As Israel's military dominance has grown, it has become less reliant on its reserves. The retirement age has been gradually lowered from 51 to 40 in some cases, and the number of reserves called up has steadily dropped, with the army focusing more on those with specialized skills, such as air force pilots and intelligence officers.

Some view the task the way Americans view jury duty _ boring and disruptive, especially for college students and the self-employed. Most, however, welcome it as a break from the rigors of daily life, a chance to bond with old comrades in a setting where a backgammon board is often a more important accessory than a rifle.

In peacetime, a reserve stint is something to be haggled over with a commanding officer with all sorts of excuses _ a college exam, an overseas vacation, a spell of dental surgery.

But when the call-up is an "Order 8," military parlance for an emergency summons, the response is visceral.

"All of a sudden it becomes a real war, it changes everything," Bass said by cell phone from his base in northern Israel.

Bass serves annually in his armored battalion, but this is his first Order 8.

Where once Israelis were drafted to war by air raid sirens, passwords over the radio and recruiters going door to door, today they are summoned by computerized calls to their cell phones.

When Bass got his call-up, he sped home and swapped his bathing suit for an army uniform.

"There was no dilemma, no doubt in my mind because it is something you grow up with, that this is the most important thing there is," he said. "It's ingrained deep inside you _ if they call you, you go."

Even without a war, reservists are as much at risk as regular soldiers. The two soldiers who were kidnapped by Hezbollah on the Lebanon border, triggering the current round of fighting, were reservists.

Ephraim Sneh, a lawmaker and former general, said his three parliamentary assistants were drafted for emergency duty. He said those who are called are genuinely needed and, therefore, "whoever serves, serves with joy."

"The destiny of Israel is the hands of the few, and we owe our lives to the few," he said. "Those who are on the front lines were always the few, but thanks to these devoted people we are still here."

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Israeli targets in U.S. on heightened alert
Fear of attacks by Hezbollah sleeper agents as military campaign continues
--WND

U.N. chief calls Hezbollah cowards
For blending among Lebanese civilians, causing deaths of hundreds
--Associated Press

U.S. rules out talks with Hezbollah
Snow: 'It's not like they have a foreign ministry. It's a terror organization'
--Agence France-Presse

Rice makes surprise visit to Beirut
Secretary of State meets with Lebanese officials ahead of Israel stop
--Associated Press

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Iran soldiers killed in Lebanon transferred to Tehran via Syria
Follows info Revolutionary Guard units assisting Hezbollah against Jewish state
--WND

'No place' will be safe for Israelis
Hezbollah envoy in Iran strikes defiant tone
--Associated Press

Israel captures 2 Hezbollah terrorists
1st prisoners of war taken since fighting broke out
--Jerusalem Post

Arabs press Syria to end Hezbollah support
Israeli soldier admits: 'It's hard to beat them. They're not afraid of anything'
--Associated Press

U.S. unlikely to send troops to Lebanon
But Bush's chief of staff says international peacekeepers might be needed
--Associated Press

Israel: We'd accept NATO-led troops
Defense minister says OK with temporary international force
--Associated Press

Iran: Boycott American products
Bulletin claims Pepsi stands for 'pay each penny to save Israel'
--Time

BBC admits many Lebanese casualties 'terrorists'
Early reports indicated civilians were bearing brunt of damage
--Israel National News

WorldNetDaily Exclusive
Palestinian terrorists to target U.S.
Al Aqsa leader issues threat amid concerns Hezbollah on American soil
--WND

WorldNetDaily
U.S. to give Israel week to complete offensive?
Israeli officials believe Rice travel schedule, diplomatic efforts permit Jewish state 7 days
--WND

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Israeli targets in U.S. on heightened alert
Fear of attacks by Hezbollah sleeper agents as military campaign continues
--WND


i interpret that as anywhere in the US...

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Yep
Pretty sure we'll see some sort of attack because of all this.

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