quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Sorry, Glass..., but action where? How? We don't know who really is involved. It will take some hard work and diplomacy to find out. Then too, what troups so we have to carry out any necessary retaliation?
Spoken like a true Lib. You should go to the "how do you train your dogs?" thread and read up on how these dogs should be dealt with. I am against the conflict but i feel Israel knows hitting hard will avoid some future conflicts.
Lets say rougue groups are responsible. Donzens of people have been killed, bridges, airport bombed. You dont think a portion of the lebanese are holding these "rogue groups" as responsible for this conflict. Which is leading to there country getting bombed out. You dont think this will make them think twice in the future?
Israel knows what its doing. These guys just gave Irsrael an opportunity to knock them back from the "crude missle" days, back to sling-shots and rock throwing days.
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Slightly off topic here but with all this unrest, is anyone other than me considering buying both put and call options on the market? The market is going to swing both ways based on the news coming out. Rumors of peace talks? Market skyrockets. Missles start flying in earnest? Market tanks. Hell, if the end is near anyway, we should at least all go down wealthy.
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AP says the dude made it after all... another example of why you have to check different sources all the time.. Fox "News" was reporting he was hit...
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Iran and Syria need to be dealt with once and for all. The are a big portion of why we are having problems still in Iraq. Suicide bombers? I would bet most of 'em ain't Iraqi. They were waaaaay to secular for that.
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Their own people's distrust of Dubya and Cheney is now a serious liability..
after 911 everybody was willing to do some difficult work and make some hard decisions.. now? all i hear is how can we negotiate our way out of this....
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quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Sorry, Glass..., but action where? How? We don't know who really is involved. It will take some hard work and diplomacy to find out. Then too, what troups so we have to carry out any necessary retaliation?
You are naive aren't you?
Just because YOU don't know who is responsible because the news didnt report it doesn't mean israeli intelligence doesn't know.
Diplomacy? You have got to be ****ting me. Israel has been trying to negotiate with these turds for YEARS. They even pulled out of Gaza to give these people their beloved palestine. Isreal needs to make a gigantic exclamation point.
You can't argue with a retard, and that is exactly what is going on. Mulims in the middle east do not want to go with diplomacy, they want Israel destroyed and gone forever, plain and simple.
Then when they do is poke at Israel and when Israel hits back fast and furious they get scared because they know israel would destory then...so to protect themselves they appeal to the international community and say 'ohhh israel is attacking innocent people' then all you liberal turds go, ohhhhh noooooo shame on you israel, show some restraint.
Diplomacy? We saw how far that got the europeans with nazi germany.
dont get me wrong, i dont like violence or war but seriously wake the hell up, these people dont think the same way we do
If another country came into america and kidnapped our soldiers, you really are telling me you want to sit there and talk about it?
That attitude will prove to be our downfall.
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Israel has several War ships firing from offshore, but not very far offshore...
An Officer and another, didn't see rank, were on the fly bridge no helmut no hat no flack jacket, just loungin with arm over back of bench watching the ship fire off rounds...
Just how dumb is "Low belly la" has baa law or what they call themselves.
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: Among a few hundred other things. Here are just a few examples of some less amusing "Bushisms."
1. Lied about WMD. 2. Unilaterally invaded a sovereign nation without provocation and justification. 3. Lied during State of the Union speech re: Niger Uranium. 4. Responsible for pre-9/11 intelligence failures in White House, CIA, FBI. 5. Allowed 9-11 murderers to remain free while diverting precious military and financial resources to his vanity war in Iraq. 6. Lied about Saddam/bin Laden connection. 7. Turned Iraq into a terrorist breeding ground. 8. Lied about nation-building. 9. Opposed creation of 9-11 Commission and Homeland Security Department. 10. Disrespected and alienated the U.S. from French, German and other key allies. 11. Lied to Americans about the real cost of war. 12. Fostered an environment of torture at Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo. 13. Lined Halliburton's pockets in Afghanistan and Iraq with fat no-bid contracts. 14. Under-manned and under-equipped our armed forces in Iraq, resulting in unnecessary death and injuries. 15. Ignored the nuclear build-up in both Iran and N.Korea; marginalized Kim Jong Il. 16. Shunned Kyoto Treaty. 17. Lied about effects of man-made pollutants on the environment to support corporate pals. 18. Lied about the insolvency of Social Security. 19. Gave huge cuts to the wealthiest taxpayers. 20. Lied about true cost of health care bill. 21. Lied about Free Trade stand. 22. Bitterly divided the nation along religious, party and sexual preference lines. 23. Guilty of numerous cronyism appointments (Homeland Security, Supreme Court, etc) 24. Rewarded failures of Condi Rice and other cronies with key promotions. 25. Dreadful energy policies lead to record gas and oil prices. 26. Responsible for the largest debt in U.S. history. 27. Colossal failure of preparedness, rescue and relief during Hurricane Katrina. 28. Fostered a culture of corruption among GOP and top leadership (Tom Delay, etc). 29. Allowed Donald Rumsfeld to keep job despite utter failure in Iraq. 30. Presided over the U.S.'s lowest popularity throughout the world. 31. Saw No Child Left Behind fail. 32. Lied about Iraqi troop strength during Saturday radio address. Directly contradicted by testimony given earlier in the week by Gen. Abizaid.
quote:Originally posted by glassman: if the dems win the house and senate in Nov? it will be cuz oil is too expensive..
I strongly agree with 13, 14, and 29. as for 10 who the hell needs ther french for anything? They are about the most worthless Allies we have. Even Gen Patton said once "Id rather have a German division to my front than a french division in the rear" The rest of your list makes me think youd rather wait for the enemy to cross our boarders befor we go after them. Its always better to fight in someone elses yard than our own.
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All out War declared on Israel by Hezbollah...
While hollering Death to America....
Hezbollah in the U.S could spark, we need to pay attention....Acts of desperate fanatics must be considered.
We have never hit Hezbollah in return for anything they have ever done to us.."Fox News"
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Yah, They'll back em. But have you seen any movement in Syria? No? They are content to let the Lebanease die to stir up the hornets next until they have backers.
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If the markets start going up? they are negotiating....If they completely "Blow um outa the water? the market goes up...
The longer they drag it out? Just more time for terrorist groups to have they're trigger pulled and Blow us away..
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I'm not for going in with American military now but I am for supporting Israel in the conflict. If Iran and Syria get into the mix though...I want us to slap them down hard!
Sas
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quote:Originally posted by Sasquatch: I'm not for going in with American military now but I am for supporting Israel in the conflict. If Iran and Syria get into the mix though...I want us to slap them down hard!
Sas
Sure, but if Israel gets involved in a real sh-it storm, guess where we'll be? This really has the makings of #3.
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here's the run-down dust.... On October 23, 1983, around 6:20 am, a yellow Mercedes-Benz delivery truck drove to Beirut International Airport, where the 1st Battalion 8th Marines, under the U.S. 2nd Marine Division of the United States Marines, had set up its local headquarters. The truck turned onto an access road leading to the Marines' compound and circled a parking lot. The driver then accelerated and crashed through a barbed wire fence around the parking lot, passed between two sentry posts, crashed through a gate and barreled into the lobby of the Marine headquarters. The Marine sentries at the gate had loaded pistols but were not able to stop the driver even though they shot at him. According to one Marine, the driver was smiling as he sped past him.
The suicide bomber detonated his explosives, which were equivalent to 12,000 pounds (about 5,400kg) of TNT. The force of the explosion collapsed the four-story cinder-block building into rubble, crushing many inside. The death toll was 241 American servicemen: 220 Marines, 18 Navy personnel and 3 Army soldiers. Sixty Americans were injured. In the attack on the French barracks, 58 paratroopers were killed and 15 injured. This was the deadliest single-day death toll for the United States Marine Corps since the Battle of Iwo Jima (2,500 in one day) of World War II. The attack remains the deadliest post-World War II attack on Americans overseas.
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In retaliation for the attacks, France launched an air strike in the Bekka Valley against Iranian Revolutionary Guard positions. President Reagan assembled his national security team and planned to target the Sheik Abdullah barracks in Baalbek, Lebanon, which housed Iranian Revolutionary Guards believed to be training Hezbollah fighters. But Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger aborted the mission, reportedly because of his concerns that it would harm U.S. relations with other Arab nations.
when people start talking about revisionist historians?
the first people i think of are the chickenhawks we have right now...
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This is going to get real sticky with 130K troops sitting between Iran and Israel.
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Well, I'm still here, so is my wife, dog is missing though. Are animals supposed to be raptured or did he just run away again?
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