posted May 26, 2004 11:10            

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Well Bam-Bam in drag anyway!

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posted May 26, 2004 11:12            

I wanted to lock in profits and if there isn't any other news in the next few days it will more than likely bounce around again.

posted May 26, 2004 11:15            

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Originally posted by 2ndrow:

yeah, I sold it all...sorry I couldn't be of more help...LOL

I wanted to lock in profits and if there isn't any other news in the next few days it will more than likely bounce around again.

I will let you know again if I buy...

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Please let us know before you place the buy order Thanks.

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posted May 26, 2004 11:24            

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Originally posted by kbpkt:
Booty- I'm back up trading again with freetrade. Already made my first trade and am loving it. You think it would be good to get into TSBB on a .007 dip if i can?

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posted May 26, 2004 11:45            

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Originally posted by AF1:
More info from site. Looks good.

Company Profile
Intelsat, Ltd. is a leading provider of satellite communications services worldwide, supplying video, data and voice connectivity in over 200 countries and territories. Our services are used by leading multinational corporations, the U.S. Government and premiermajor communications providers around the world, including major broadcasters in the United States. Founded in 1964, we have provided communications capacity for some of the most memorable events in modern history - from broadcasting the video signals of the first moon walk, to providing the "hot line" connecting the White House and the Kremlin, to broadcasting live television coverage of every Olympics since 1968.

2003 Financial Highlights
Revenue $952.8 million
Income from operations $284.4 million
Income from operations as a percentage
of revenue 30%
Net income $181.1 million
EBITDA1 $708.3 million
EBITDA as a percentage of revenue 74%
Net cash provided by operating
activities $604.6 million
Capital expenditures $222.5 million
Backlog2 as of 31 December $3.6 billion
Our Vision
At Intelsat, our goal is to be a global connectivity leader connecting people and businesses around the globe with high-quality, flexible and innovative communications services.

Intelsat's strengths include our:
Solid Financial Performance
Diversified Geographic and Service Application Mix
Customers
Global Network
Solid Positioning in Growing Customer Segments
Operational Excellence

Solid Financial Performance
We compete in the fixed satellite services sector, which has a history of solid performance characterized by financial consistency and predictability. We have generated net income every year since 1973.

Diversified Geographic and Service Application Mix
We operate our business on a global basis. We believe that one of our strengths is our diversified geographic and service application mix. Almost every populated region of the world contributes significantly to our revenue. We distinguish ourselves by the diverse range of applications that our services support - such as voice and data communications, corporate networking, video broadcasting and Internet connectivity - each of which contributes meaningfully to our revenue.

Customers
We have over 600 customers from around the world, including many of the world's leading telecommunications carriers, broadcasting companies, network integrators and Internet service providers. We have served many of our largest customers for over 30 years and have well-established relationships with the dominant communications services providers in many countries. We believe our existing customer base provides us with a competitive advantage in local markets around the world and credibility as we introduce new services.

Global Network
With 27 satellites in orbit and leased capacity on 2 additional satellites, our network covers over 99% of the world's populated regions. We currently have two additional satellites under construction and expected to launch in 2004, as well as a contract for a third satellite. We also have terrestrial assets consisting of teleports, points of presence and fiber connectivity that complement our satellite network and that we use to provide integrated, end-to-end services. We have market access to provide satellite capacity in the C-and Ku-bands in over 200 countries and territories.

Our network enables us to provide services, such as the distribution of television content, that require the ubiquity and point-to-multipoint capability of satellite communications. In addition, we provide managed services that combine satellite capacity, teleport operations, satellite communications hardware, and fiber optic cable and other ground facilities.

Solid Positioning in Growing Customer Segments
We believe that corporate and broadband data, as well as government/military applications, represent opportunities for stable growth over the long term for operators in the fixed satellite services sector.

We expect VSAT networks to continue to grow as corporations and value-added network services providers seek to connect disparate locations into a single, managed network. As a result of our existing relationships with corporate end users and network services providers, we believe we are well positioned in the global satellite-based data services market.

Given the current geopolitical environment and the increasing homeland security requirements of the U.S. Government, we also believe that government/military customers will require additional commercial communications capacity and customized managed services for critical defense and civilian agency service applications. We intend to leverage our well-established customer relationships, along with our global reach and operational excellence, to strengthen our position in this customer segment.

Operational Excellence
We believe that the reliability and integrity of our network is critical to our customers and end users, and that our long history of high-quality, reliable service is a leading contributing factor to our ability to attract and retain our customers.

Our operational and engineering leadership results from our nearly 40-year operating history and has been demonstrated by our pioneering achievements in space communications. For the year ended 31 December 2003, our transponder availability rate was 99.997%, with the availability rate averaging 99.997% since 1985.

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Here are some key things from the company that is providing the soft launch capabilities:

-Intelsat, Ltd. is a leading provider of satellite communications services worldwide, supplying video, data and voice connectivity in over 200 countries and territories.(keyword: worldwide services)
-We operate our business on a global basis. We believe that one of our strengths is our diversified geographic and service application mix.
-Founded in 1964, we have provided communications capacity for some of the most memorable events in modern history - from broadcasting the video signals of the first moon walk, to providing the "hot line" connecting the White House and the Kremlin, to broadcasting live television coverage of every Olympics since 1968.
-We have over 600 customers from around the world, including many of the world's leading telecommunications carriers, broadcasting companies, network integrators and Internet service providers.

posted May 26, 2004 11:46            

Thanks for asking. I watched and watched yesterday. Watched it run up and said I'd better lock in since it's starting to fall. So I sold at .0148. Great. Then I paniced because it was going back up before the BIG PR, so I bought back at .0150. I will also post my trades in advance so that in the best George Costanza tradition, you all can have the benefit of doing the opposite. Bear in mind that my large block of holding shares are at .018. Now you know why I mostly lurk!

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Originally posted by darogo:
hey bessie,
how'd ya make out with the daytrading shares?

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posted May 26, 2004 11:59            

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Originally posted by BaxterBessieMama:
Hi Darogo,

Thanks for asking. I watched and watched yesterday. Watched it run up and said I'd better lock in since it's starting to fall. So I sold at .0148. Great. Then I paniced because it was going back up before the BIG PR, so I bought back at .0150. I will also post my trades in advance so that in the best George Costanza tradition, you all can have the benefit of doing the opposite. Bear in mind that my large block of holding shares are at .018. Now you know why I mostly lurk!

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thanks for sharing. i know we got in at the same time @ .0117. at least you had the insight to sell @ .0148. i thought today's PR was going to be a monster so i held and when i woke up, watched it plummet. i sold for my daytrading shares for a very small profit and now im waiting for it to go back down some more. i think it will. they'll soft launch and that will be fine, but they still need concrete information about cable companies and advertisers before we see a real pps increase imo.
well, it's fun learning....

posted May 26, 2004 12:12            

Ok i know this is old news, but there are a few interesting points.

1) the already annouced a hard date of Feb. 17, 2005(we have no confirmed date)
2) said it will be distrubuted on time warner and rcn
3) listed possible advertisers....amex, IBM, General Motors, Avis, Pfizer and orbitz(all ready committed)

posted May 26, 2004 12:14            

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posted May 26, 2004 12:20            

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Originally posted by boyerm2002:
http://www.logo-tv.com/faq.html

Ok i know this is old news, but there are a few interesting points.

1) the already annouced a hard date of Feb. 17, 2005(we have no confirmed date)
2) said it will be distrubuted on time warner and rcn
3) listed possible advertisers....amex, IBM, General Motors, Avis, Pfizer and orbitz(all ready committed)

a day after the announce it, they seem to have answers that we want regarding q television.

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posted May 26, 2004 12:22            

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Originally posted by pharmdman:
Just had an idea... here's the complete list of advertisers in the May2004 issue of OUT magazine....

Cadillac, Puma, Evian, Gucci, Movado, Bacardi, Jaguar, American Express Business, Hilfiger (4 page ad), Grey Goose Vodka, L'Oreal, Land Rover (Ford), Bang & Olufsen, Midori, Volvo (Ford), Volvo S40(Ford) [two pages away from first], UV Vodka (2 page ad), ACLU, American Express Blue, Showtime/Queer as Folk, Jose Cuervo, CarboRITE, Reyataz - BristolMyersSquibb HIV med (2 page ad), DishNetwork/Here!TV, WarnerBros/Turner Classic Movies, Smirnoff, K9 Advantix, Bridgestone, Smirnoff/CrownRoyal/JohnnieWalker/Tangueray (combo ad re: zero carbs!), Lexiva -GlaxoSmithKline HIV med (6 page ad), Skyy, TylenolPM, AussieBum, Sustiva - BristolMyersSquibb HIV med (2 pages), amFAR.org (AIDS research), Trojan, American Express Travel, Natural American Spirit, Amazon.com, Borders, KeyWest, OmniGlow, Nutraceutics, AirCanada/Toronto/OntarioCulturalAttractionFund/ RailCanada/Trojan/LaBattBlue (combo ad), Bud Lite, Level Vodka....

and that's just one monthly issue of one magazine.... so, I think QBID will have NO lack of advertisers... JMHO though..

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posted May 26, 2004 12:25            

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posted May 26, 2004 12:27            

I still think QBID will turn out to be the opportunity of a lifetime, but at least now I can rest a little easier and am in a position to buy back in if we have a big price drop for some reason, or to score big if things really take off. Plus I can now diversify if I want to. Only wish I'd decided to to this yesterday!

So look for the price to rise now!

posted May 26, 2004 12:37            

Slow tick to .013 just now. Think I'll go to the movies.

posted May 26, 2004 12:38              

The more we request what PR should cover, the easier we get disappointment to the south.

I noticed for couples of time that once
we have spike like today's 0.1 then that day's tend is told a bit.

posted May 26, 2004 12:40            

Recognizing same-sex couples and families as an emerging market, large corporations have begun targeting the demographic in their ads.

Companies including International Business Machines (IBM), Volvo and JP Morgan (JPM) have featured gay couples or parents, mostly in print or online ads. And Subaru has been marketing to the gay population as a whole for years.

“A lot of brands are willing to go after these niche markets to grow their business, even if it’s just a two-percent growth,” said Marshal Cohen, chief industry analyst for The NPD Group (search), a market research firm. “They’re focused on the micro-lifestyles of the consumers, and same-sex families are a micro-lifestyle.”

There has been a growing trend of gay tolerance, with more companies offering benefits to same-sex couples and families and more mainstream TV shows featuring gay personalities, like NBC’s popular “Will and Grace (search)” and “The Ellen DeGeneres Show (search)” and Bravo’s successful “Queer Eye for the Straight Guy (search).”

“We’ve seen this acceptance in corporate America and in pop culture,” said Mark Elderkin, founder and president of PlanetOut Partners, which runs the heavily trafficked Gay.com and PlanetOut.com Web sites. “That’s creating the foundation for corporate advertising to go out and market to this group.”

Gays and lesbians are a population that’s famously hard to track since not all gays are "out" or willing to identify themselves as gay in surveys. Estimates vary widely and range from 1 percent to 10 percent of the population.

There is even less official information on gay couples and families; the 2000 U.S. Census found that there were nearly 600,000 same-sex couples living in this country. One-third of lesbian households (96,000) have children, and one-fifth of gay male households (60,000) have kids, according to the Census.

Still, for practical purposes, most marketing and advertising experts put gays and lesbians at 4 percent or more of the total American population — an enormous market given that, according to the U.S. Department of Commerce, Americans spent $3.8 trillion on retail sales including auto and restaurants in 2003.

“It’s a significant piece of the pie,” said the NPD Group's Cohen. “This becomes an opportunity for a brand that targets that market to gain more than their fair share of the business. If I become the only brand marketing to a gay couple, I’m going to be the leader of that 5 percent of the population.”

According to Witeck Combs Communications (search) and MarketResearch.com, gay and lesbian parents spent $22 billion on their kids in 2002; that number was expected to go up to $28 billion by the end of this year, according to Witeck Combs.

Most of the gay couple and family ads are in print or online media specifically aimed at the gay community. Car companies have taken out ads featuring same-sex families, the most notable being Ford Motor Co.’s high-profile Volvo ad, which ran in gay magazines like The Advocate (search) and Out (search).

The spread depicted one gay couple with a baby and a pregnant lesbian with her partner, and the slogan “Whether you’re starting a family or creating one as you go… Volvo. For life.”

IBM ran a print ad in publications like the same-sex parenting magazine And Baby that shows several of its own gay employees, including a pregnant woman.

The travel, financial services and wedding industries have also marketed to same-sex couples and families. Some cruise lines and resorts advertise gay-family-friendly vacations. Financial companies like John Hancock Financial Services and JP Morgan Brown Co., a brokerage service of JP Morgan, have taken out ads featuring gay and lesbian couples. And the bridal business has also started going after gay couples who want to tie the knot.

“It’s not surprising that as the gay family market comes of age, marketers want a piece of that,” said Bradley Johnson, Advertising Age’s editor at large.

Though few ads have appeared in mainstream publications or on network TV, Johnson said it’s smarter and more cost-effective to target the demographic in media specifically for them.

“The logical first step is not to buy 30 seconds on NBC. The logical first step is to put your ad in The Advocate,” Johnson said. “It’s a more efficient starting point. If that works, then who knows? Maybe you take things more broadly.”

Though some corporations are gingerly reaching out to gay couples and families, the number of Fortune 500s targeting the demographic is still fairly slim. Those that are doing it only have a toe in the water so far.

“It’s just emerging and remains a bit edgy because of the political nature of it,” said Mike Wilke, executive director of The Commercial Closet Association, a group that tries to reduce discrimination and stereotyping of gays through advertising. “It’s niching a niche. They are just beginning to see value.”

More common are companies that aggressively market to the gay population as a whole — like IBM and Subaru.

Subaru sold a total of 89,607 vehicles in the U.S. in 1993 when it began targeting the same-sex segment, according to Tim Bennett, director of marketing programs at Subaru of America (search). Last year, 186,819 Subarus were sold in this country.

“Can I say it’s helped? Not definitively, but our sales have increased over the last nine years,” Bennett said. “There’s certainly been growth in it for us. Our purchase consideration within that group has risen.”

One of the Subaru ads targeting the same-sex demographic carries the slogan: “Different drivers, different roads, one car.” The company has done extensive research on how to reach gay consumers, used a gay ad agency and marketed in gay media, according to Bennett.

But plenty of large corporations are being more cautious about marketing to the same-sex demographic, considering the controversy surrounding gay issues.

“Everybody is kind of taking a wait-and-see approach,” Cohen said. “The backlash could be greater than the growth rate. That’s why a lot of brands are holding off.”

Of course, any marketing strategies in big business are based on one thing, and one thing alone. It’s the bottom line, stupid.

posted May 26, 2004 12:43            

Can someone post the TW contract again...

I think these are all legitimate questions, that need to be answered. My point is that Logo has been around for a day(publically) and the have signifcant more answers then we do

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Originally posted by cyberrat67:

We have aconfirmed hard launch a year before them, a ten year contract with TW, and NONE of the advertisers listed (other than Orbitz) are commited...they're "in talks" with them about advertising

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posted May 26, 2004 12:49            

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Originally posted by boyerm2002:
The point is we have a general idea (3rd qtr) when we will have a hard launch. Yes a 6-12 months before them, but still they have a confirmed date. Orbits = 1 more advertiser then qbid has.

Can someone post the TW contract again...

I think these are all legitimate questions, that need to be answered. My point is that Logo has been around for a day(publically) and the have signifcant more answers then we do

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answers would be nice but i can say this:

posted May 26, 2004 12:49            

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Originally posted by boyerm2002:
The point is we have a general idea (3rd qtr) when we will have a hard launch. Yes a 6-12 months before them, but still they have a confirmed date. Orbits = 1 more advertiser then qbid has.

Can someone post the TW contract again...

I think these are all legitimate questions, that need to be answered. My point is that Logo has been around for a day(publically) and the have signifcant more answers then we do

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I agree that they're legitimate questions, and I'm sure they WILL be answered...hopefully AFTER the soft launch, so we'll get double the exposure...

Our hard launch is July, 2004...I THINK it's the 15th, but I'll have to look it up to make sure...

feel like making a friendly wager on whether they REALLY launch February 17th, 2005? They annoucned a launch date, but I'd lay odds that it will NOT be that day...

posted May 26, 2004 13:00            

exactly right about the advertisers, I am not sure the legality of it, but can't they release 1 or 2 blue chips they have lined up?

also will the soft launch have commercials, and if so, who?

Couldn't q do a page on the revamped webpage to answer these questions, just like LOGO?

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Originally posted by cyberrat67:
I agree that they're legitimate questions, and I'm sure they WILL be answered...hopefully AFTER the soft launch, so we'll get double the exposure...

Our hard launch is July, 2004...I THINK it's the 15th, but I'll have to look it up to make sure...

feel like making a friendly wager on whether they REALLY launch February 17th, 2005? They annoucned a launch date, but I'd lay odds that it will NOT be that day...

I WOULD like to see which advertisers we ahve lined up though

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posted May 26, 2004 13:01            

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Originally posted by Smctbone:
F(_)c l< !!
Channel 2 News (NBC) just announced Viacom's news during their Bloomberg Report. It was a real quick 5 second pump...just saying Viacom (showing the logo on Viacom's building of course) will launch the first gay television network...Fed 27.
We need QTV to step up and get their name out there.

GLTA, still in 'til hard launch.

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posted May 26, 2004 13:04            

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posted May 26, 2004 13:27            

Thank you for taking the time to write. I will pass your email on to the executives here. All of your points are well taken.

Susan

Dear Frank and Company,

You know doubly have heard Viacom's plan to launch a station aimed at
the gay and lesbian community (http://www.logo-tv.com/faq.html). Though
competition is welcome and helps businesses thrive, there a few
questions I would like to ask.

First we, as in the qbid family, are scheduled for a "soft" launch on
June 1. There has been no PR's stating when exactly the hard launch will
air. Logo has stated that they will launch on 2/17/05. Also Q Television
has not released any information regarding advertisers, while Logo has
already confirmed orbitz as a definite advertiser. The also list several
blue chip companies on their website, i.e. IBM, Amex, GM and Pfizer.
Lastly the plan to announce the programming in July at the TV critics
Association meeting, is Q Television going to be there?

These are all serious questions that deserve answers. These questions
need to be prompt, b/c Logo has been on every major media since the
announcement. While Q television is ready for the launch, we have not
received the desired media attention. In fact I read today that Logo
would the nations FIRST GAY TV station (Am New York page 10, date 5/26/04),
aimed specifically at gay/lesbian/transgender community. Obvious this
isn't true, but how are we going to reach 12-14 million households
(Logo's estimated audience by years end), with a disposable income of
$485 million, if they are unaware of Q television?

Thank you for taking the time to read and address my concerns, as a QBID
investor. I look forward to a prompt response from Q Television.

posted May 26, 2004 13:29            

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Originally posted by pharmdman:
If that's your local channel, you need to contact them. They need to be told to do their research! I blast my local channels here in Tampa constantly... everything from misspellings to half-truths.... when they get enough emails/calls for the same thing, they'll usually follow up and correct themselves...

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posted May 26, 2004 13:34            

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Originally posted by Smctbone:
F(_)c l< !!
Channel 2 News (NBC) just announced Viacom's news during their Bloomberg Report. It was a real quick 5 second pump...just saying Viacom (showing the logo on Viacom's building of course) will launch the first gay television network...Fed 27.
We need QTV to step up and get their name out there.

GLTA, still in 'til hard launch.

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posted May 26, 2004 13:39            

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Originally posted by 1BigTip:
SMCTBONE, what state are you in? I thought NBC was Channel 4..maybe a typo?

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posted May 26, 2004 13:43            

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Originally posted by Smctbone:

Florida...It's "News Channel 2 at Noon" on NBC (local WESH). http://www.wesh.com/index.html

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posted May 26, 2004 13:48            

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Originally posted by 1BigTip:
Just trying to find the link to it on their website, but if it was for a few minutes, I dought it would be on there. http://www.wesh.com/entertainment/index.html

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It wasn't a news "story" per se. Every day they go through a "Bloomberg Report" summing up what's going with the DOW and NASDAQ. Then they usually briefly run through 3 or so companies that released PR or with pps moving big. They mentioned Viacom and the news that was just put out...that they would be launching the "first gay/lesbian channel on Feb 27."
I'm about to email them now, maybe they'll cover it again tomorrow with mention of QTV.

posted May 26, 2004 14:14            

I suggest that everyone else do the same for the GLBT newspapers in their local areas, and suggest that they call Frank or the "Q" offices to ask for an interview.

HERE'S THE MAIL SENT/RECVD

Lynne,
I spoke with you a week or so ago, in regards to the new television channel that is coming out called QTelevision.

I had sent you the contact information for Mr. Frank Olson the CEO of QTelevision.

My understanding from what I have read on the internet and press releases is that they are now in the stage of signing carriers for the channel.

I also read that he (Mr. Olson) is encouraging people to call up and request the channel, to assist in getting it on as many carriers as possible.

I think that a channel specifically pointed and programmed in this manner would be of interest to all of your readers.

You can read more about the site at www.QTelevision.com

Please let me know if you are going to have an interview with Mr. Olson, as I would be very interested
AND THE REPLY WAS

Dear XXXX:

Enjoyed speaking with you and remember it well. I did as you asked and followed up with Mr. Olson. He is quite a character!

He was interested in the Blade and the markets my company represent. That is my job. I sell advertising and I can help QTelevision take their message to the street.

I also went to my publisher with Mr. Olson's contact. I then forwarded Mr. Olson's contact info to the editorial staff of the Washington Blade.

I do not write stories. I cannot promise stories. But everyone at the Blade is aware of the QTelevision launch and Mr. Olson knows each of us. So, you did well to hook us all up. I have every hope this will be a newsworthy story soon.

Thanks...
Lynne

Ask me about Placing your ad in our other markets: The New York Blade News New York, New York,
The Southern Voice Atlanta, Georgia, The Houston Voice, Houston, Texas, The Express, Ft. Lauderdale Florida
or
Choose a glossy magazine format with the nationally circulated GENRE Magazine

posted May 26, 2004 14:20            

I suggest that everyone else do the same for the GLBT newspapers in their local areas, and suggest that they call Frank or the "Q" offices to ask for an interview.

HERE'S THE MAIL SENT/RECVD

Lynne,
I spoke with you a week or so ago, in regards to the new television channel that is coming out called QTelevision.

I had sent you the contact information for Mr. Frank Olson the CEO of QTelevision.

My understanding from what I have read on the internet and press releases is that they are now in the stage of signing carriers for the channel.

I also read that he (Mr. Olson) is encouraging people to call up and request the channel, to assist in getting it on as many carriers as possible.

I think that a channel specifically pointed and programmed in this manner would be of interest to all of your readers.

You can read more about the site at www.QTelevision.com

Please let me know if you are going to have an interview with Mr. Olson, as I would be very interested
AND THE REPLY WAS

Dear XXXX:

Enjoyed speaking with you and remember it well. I did as you asked and followed up with Mr. Olson. He is quite a character!

He was interested in the Blade and the markets my company represent. That is my job. I sell advertising and I can help QTelevision take their message to the street.

I also went to my publisher with Mr. Olson's contact. I then forwarded Mr. Olson's contact info to the editorial staff of the Washington Blade.

I do not write stories. I cannot promise stories. But everyone at the Blade is aware of the QTelevision launch and Mr. Olson knows each of us. So, you did well to hook us all up. I have every hope this will be a newsworthy story soon.

Thanks...
Lynne

Ask me about Placing your ad in our other markets: The New York Blade News New York, New York,
The Southern Voice Atlanta, Georgia, The Houston Voice, Houston, Texas, The Express, Ft. Lauderdale Florida
or
Choose a glossy magazine format with the nationally circulated GENRE Magazine

posted May 26, 2004 14:50            

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posted May 26, 2004 14:51            

If everyone was gay there wouldnt be anybody.