posted May 16, 2004 18:14            

From the Headline Media Group website, of which Pridevision is a subsidiary:

--> In December, 2003, PrideVision Inc. entered into an agreement to sell the Canadian operations of PrideVision TV. As part of the transaction, which is subject to approval by the CRTC, PrideVision Inc. will retain the rights to develop PrideVision TV outside of Canada, and a 9.9% interest in PrideVision TV’s Canadian operations.

And Annual and Special meeting of Shareholders report 2003 (dated Feb 26, 2004:
--> objectives: Find a partner for Pridevision USA: No partner yet.. still working on this objective.
--> Pridevision's SALE should generate a gain, projected for 2004

As krecik mentioned, Pridevison's programming was aired on Qtv's signal test this weekend.

This could answer a big question as to how Qtv plans to come up with a lot of quality programming really fast.

Links: http://www.headlinemediagroup.com http://www.pridevisiontv.com/

posted May 16, 2004 18:26            

And yes, Q sampled a show currently running on Pride! This would be extremely huge if this is a true connection. Maybe we'll find out next week.

posted May 16, 2004 18:30            

quote:

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Originally posted by krecik:
Does anyone know if they actually got this far in 2001 before the fallout with the dish network? Is this the first time for airing of gay programing ? I know it's not the first time on air I seem to remember reading something about bingo and auctions?Does anyone remember the rumors about Frank going to canada and a possible connection to Pridevision? One of the sitcoms in yesterdays test has the same name as a show currently airing on pridevision. Is it possible for a show to air on 2 different networks? I thought Qtelevision was going to be original programming?

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this article makes it sound as if they did launch and no one was willing to pick the network up for ditribution. That doesn't seem to be a problem this time and remember the stock back then still went to .45

Gay TV in the US: Triangle, C1TV By Michael Wilke
September 17, 2001

For years, several in the U.S. have dreamed of starting such a venture patterned after the Black Entertainment Network, but enormous startup costs, reluctant advertisers, distribution challenges and perhaps even late timing within the gay movement have brought significant obstacles.

After a series of false starts, Triangle Multi-Media Limited of Palm Springs also launched a 24-hour network last month -- but no one can see it yet as the company works out distribution issues. Earlier this year the company sought to be carried on Echostar's DISH network, but various disputes arose over costs and DISH's objection to the original name Gay Television Network, which was changed to Triangle Television Network.

Triangle spokesman Frank Olson says the company is now pursuing distribution on cable companies and is also in early discussions with DIRECTV, with hopes for some pickup of the network by late this year.

"The difference between us and PrideVision is that we don't have the must-carry rule in the US," says Triangle spokesman Frank Olson, referring to guaranteed channel distribution in Canada.
http://www.commercialcloset.org/cgi-bin/iowa/?page=column&record=49

[This message has been edited by sonnydbar (edited May 16, 2004).]

posted May 16, 2004 18:48            

So, it still became successful because people were willing to pay for it (and remember those are canadian $$).
The subscription price is very similar to the price point of Qtv (3.95 US I believe).

The difference is, I believe, people in the USA now want to exercise their gay rights.
If Pridevison laid the groundwork Qtv could just expand the reach.

And the HMG website, owner of Pridevision, clearly states:
--> In December, 2003, PrideVision Inc. entered into an agreement to sell the Canadian operations of PrideVision TV. As part of the transaction, which is subject to approval by the CRTC, PrideVision Inc. will retain the rights to develop PrideVision TV outside of Canada, and a 9.9% interest in PrideVision TV’s Canadian operations.

They entered into an agreement in Dec 2003. Frank Olsen's earliest PR, from what I can find, is Feb 2004.
Hrm....

posted May 16, 2004 19:01            

--> ...In addition, we continue to be excited about U.S. and international growth prospects for PrideVision TV, as we look to secure a strategic alliance to facilitate a launch of the service in the United States."

--> "... Patrick Michaud, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. "During the past year, we completed two equity financings, improved EBITDA by $29.4 million, and --> successfully <-- found a partner for the Canadian operations of PrideVision TV.

Frank Olsen gave his first PR on Feb 19th. He began production of the gay marriage documentary Feb 25th.

Just speculation, but the facts are awfully coincidental.
And there's that little matter of Pridevision's programming airing on Qtv this weekend...

Any opinions?
~BB

quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
Could Pridevision (Canada broadcast only) be teaming up with Qtv USA?

From the Headline Media Group website, of which Pridevision is a subsidiary:

--> In December, 2003, PrideVision Inc. entered into an agreement to sell the Canadian operations of PrideVision TV. As part of the transaction, which is subject to approval by the CRTC, PrideVision Inc. will retain the rights to develop PrideVision TV outside of Canada, and a 9.9% interest in PrideVision TV’s Canadian operations.

And Annual and Special meeting of Shareholders report 2003 (dated Feb 26, 2004:
--> objectives: Find a partner for Pridevision USA: No partner yet.. still working on this objective.
--> Pridevision's SALE should generate a gain, projected for 2004

As krecik mentioned, Pridevison's programming was aired on Qtv's signal test this weekend.

This could answer a big question as to how Qtv plans to come up with a lot of quality programming really fast.

Links: http://www.headlinemediagroup.com http://www.pridevisiontv.com/

~BB

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posted May 16, 2004 19:09            

GREAT freakin' sleuthing! Q knows dammm well how savvy our little group here is. They HAD to know we would make the connection of that show coming from Pridevision.

posted May 16, 2004 19:16            

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Gay TV channel projected for later this year
Pridevision TV ‘keeping fingers crossed’ as Viacom laments postponement

By Christopher Seely
Friday, April 09, 2004

By the end of 2004, U.S. audiences should have access to an all-gay television channel similar to one already available in Canada, according to John Levy, president and chairman of Canada’s Pridevision TV and its parent company, Headline Media Group.

Pridevision, which began airing gay-themed television in Canada in September 2001 and shows in 25,000 homes, anticipates a U.S. launch this fall, Levy said.

“We’re ready to go, and it’s just a matter of finalizing the funding aspect of this,” Levy said. “We’re keeping our fingers crossed, and hopefully we will be able to announce a firm launch date and finally get this lit up down there, which should have happened a long time ago.”

Talk of a gay-themed American channel has been ongoing for years, with at least three companies seriously considering the idea: Pridevision, Viacom and Triangle Television Network.

Pridevision signed a contract with cable distributor Time Warner in early 2003 that grants access to its cable systems in the U.S., but Pridevision does not plan to “launch in all of the markets simultaneously,” Levy said.

Instead, the gay station would most likely start off as a premium channel in which subscribers pay $7 to $10 per month, or have it packaged with other offerings like HBO or Showtime, Levy said.

Because Time Warner distributors do not cover every market in the U.S., Pridevision is now negotiating for a contract with both Direct TV and EchoStar, parent company for DISH Network, Levy said.

“We’ve had talks with both, but we’re further down the road with EchoStar,” he said.

If Pridevision secured a satellite distribution deal, “it would give us availability in all markets in the continental U.S.,” he said.
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The article goes on to talk about the competition between Triangle and Pridevision, noting that Triangle refused to comment in this article. Could it be because the had already entered into an agreement with Pridevision?

Pridevision clearly states in Dec 2003 that they are looking to sell their network. In Feb 2004 they confirm that they have entered into an agreement to sell to a partner, but in this article they suddenly are launching in the USA?

We already know Viacom is out. Pridevision mentions the contract with Time Warner and Qtv has mentioned the same.

I think the test signal and the show were a heads up!!

So, heads up =)
~BB

posted May 16, 2004 19:31            

quote:

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Originally posted by Spunky Jay:
Has anyone considered that just maybe Pridevision and QTV might just announce that they may have formed a merger of equals? Then 2 of the Largest contries in the North American continent will be airing Gay programing. If that did indeed happen just think what the pps would be then?

The Spunkster.

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That's what we're thinking, my man. Is it Monday yet? How 'bout now?

Now?

posted May 16, 2004 19:34            

quote:

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Originally posted by Booty Quest:
Fox News is featuring the gay-marriage-in-Mass. every 10 minutes! It's crazy! And the protesters who vow to stop it. We should go up there with QTV Shirts on. What a great place to hand out Q chocolates

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posted May 16, 2004 19:35            

quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
More sleuthing...

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Gay TV channel projected for later this year
Pridevision TV ‘keeping fingers crossed’ as Viacom laments postponement

By Christopher Seely
Friday, April 09, 2004

By the end of 2004, U.S. audiences should have access to an all-gay television channel similar to one already available in Canada, according to John Levy, president and chairman of Canada’s Pridevision TV and its parent company, Headline Media Group.

Pridevision, which began airing gay-themed television in Canada in September 2001 and shows in 25,000 homes, anticipates a U.S. launch this fall, Levy said.

“We’re ready to go, and it’s just a matter of finalizing the funding aspect of this,” Levy said. “We’re keeping our fingers crossed, and hopefully we will be able to announce a firm launch date and finally get this lit up down there, which should have happened a long time ago.”

Talk of a gay-themed American channel has been ongoing for years, with at least three companies seriously considering the idea: Pridevision, Viacom and Triangle Television Network.

Pridevision signed a contract with cable distributor Time Warner in early 2003 that grants access to its cable systems in the U.S., but Pridevision does not plan to “launch in all of the markets simultaneously,” Levy said.

Instead, the gay station would most likely start off as a premium channel in which subscribers pay $7 to $10 per month, or have it packaged with other offerings like HBO or Showtime, Levy said.

Because Time Warner distributors do not cover every market in the U.S., Pridevision is now negotiating for a contract with both Direct TV and EchoStar, parent company for DISH Network, Levy said.

“We’ve had talks with both, but we’re further down the road with EchoStar,” he said.

If Pridevision secured a satellite distribution deal, “it would give us availability in all markets in the continental U.S.,” he said.
_ _ _ _ _
The article goes on to talk about the competition between Triangle and Pridevision, noting that Triangle refused to comment in this article. Could it be because the had already entered into an agreement with Pridevision?

Pridevision clearly states in Dec 2003 that they are looking to sell their network. In Feb 2004 they confirm that they have entered into an agreement to sell to a partner, but in this article they suddenly are launching in the USA?

We already know Viacom is out. Pridevision mentions the contract with Time Warner and Qtv has mentioned the same.

I think the test signal and the show were a heads up!!

So, heads up =)
~BB

link: http://www.sovo.com/2004/4-9/news/national/gaytv.cfm

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HereTV is hooked up with Dish (echostar) and DirecTV. So your line of thinking with Time Warner makes sense, add Cox into the mix with the test signal and we got ourselves into a good amount of homes. I cant imagine Dish and DirecTV having two gay channels.

posted May 16, 2004 19:41            

Seattle is sure close to Canada. Maybe people there already were able to view Pridevision's programming so they wanted to cross over?

posted May 16, 2004 20:07            

quote:

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Originally posted by soccerman:
[QUOTE]
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Welcome to the fold, Soccerman. All help is appreciated. Mass. should be rockin' tonight after midnight!

posted May 16, 2004 20:11            

quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
Whiz,
Just wondering where you got this figure? Was it from the signal test this weekend or PR?
thx,
~BB

[QUOTE]Originally posted by whizknock:
[b]ONE HALF TRILLION TARGETED AUDIENCE!

Consider if we only see 1% of that in revenue! Even if all 15 billion registered shares were outstanding we will easily see more than a buck a share if we only turn .1% of that $500,000,000,000 Billion in revenue!

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Babe!

This number Half a Trillion dollars or another way of saying it is $500,000,000,000. 500 billion dollars is the estimated disposable income of the approx 20 million G/L community in the US.

posted May 16, 2004 20:15            

quote:

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Originally posted by whizknock:
Babe!

This number Half a Trillion dollars or another way of saying it is $500,000,000,000. 500 billion dollars is the estimated disposable income of the approx 20 million G/L community in the US.

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Whiz, I think she means the 15 billion shares.

posted May 16, 2004 20:27            

i assume you mean thx guys and babes ;-)
cheers!
~BB

quote:

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Originally posted by Formula:
Is it monday? I'm going to bed NOW so I can pass the time, LOL!!

Thanks for the awesome DD guys!! I have been working on the cars and beer all weekend.

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posted May 16, 2004 20:29            

quote:

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Originally posted by Booty Quest:
Whiz, I think she means the 15 billion shares.

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Sorry! I do not know that for a fact but I believe there are 15 billion shares registered. Half of them were supposed to be on the shelf. They were authorised but not issued. I could be wrong but I just like using a worse case senario so I don't have any illusions.

posted May 16, 2004 20:43            

Bill Craig started an unsuccessful television network broadcast on broadband around 2000 (like over the internet). It had issues with copyrights, namely that they were redirecting television broadcast signals without paying the original broadcaster.

He developed software called iWall which can control the broadcast area of a signal and determine the coutry of origin.
Stated in the NY Times (June 2, 2000 - Toronto)

--> The iWall system uses "third party" techniques similar to those used by satellite television transmissions that can be received in the United States but not in Canada, Mr. Craig said. The software will be able to identify where a viewer is located and block those computer users in the United States. He said he would not discuss the software in more detail while the copyright was pending.

We've all questioned the reaction of anti-Q people and guessed that by making Qtv a subscription channel they can avoid the FCC censorship.
I question if this iWall software can be used to control the signal broadcast of Qtv (I know nothing about how tv signals work) and can, PERHAPS, also determine the country of origin where the person is watching?

They do seem to be aligning themselves for International broadcasting.
And if Bill Craig still (he must) have the 2.6 mil ownership of Pridevision's operations,, this could bring his business endeavors together.

As a matter of fact, Bill Craig states in an interview:

--> Q: Are there pay-per-view or subscription models possible with this?

A: Oh yeah, if we pull this off, it's going to dramatically alter program distribution on the Internet. Now the conventional programming is going to get on because the problem even Jack Valenti's people had was, as soon as you go over the Internet, it's all over the world. So they're being dumped into a market, they don't want to be dumped into. So they want to have some level of control, so we are proposing to give them that control. With that control they will have an amazing ability to start exploiting the distribution of their service to certain countries. So in other words, a CBS can go on ICAN and distribute their programming to just inside the U.S. Because in the past, the rights holders say "No no no, you can't put it on, because it'll up in Hong Kong." Well this system will get rid of all of that.

Pure speculation. Just brainstorming. And wondering...
~BB

posted May 16, 2004 21:03            

It went as high as $1.00 before they announced the sale of Pridevision.

It currently trades for .79.

Link to quote and chart:
http://www.headlinemediagroup.com/stock.html

posted May 16, 2004 21:19            

But they also only have 82.4 million O/S shares compared to Qbids 8 billion. Sorry but no way to compare this to QBID just from pps.

quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
If anyone would like to know, comparitively, what Pridevision's parent company, Headline Media Group, trades for:

It went as high as $1.00 before they announced the sale of Pridevision.

It currently trades for .79.

Link to quote and chart:
http://www.headlinemediagroup.com/stock.html

~BB

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posted May 16, 2004 21:31            

I think QBID is going up. I bought more last week hoping that anyway, but.....

The last time we heard anything offical about issued shared and outstanding shares was in Feb. Frank said then that there was 15 billion shares issued and 7.5 billion shares outstanding. I know he said in the same article that they planned a buy back in the future but heres my problem.

They needed to issue those shares for a reason. It was to get this network started. I really don't think they knew how fast the stock price was going to raise. Secondly, have they issued new shares to company's to air this test, to start airing the soft launch? No one know because they refuse to tell us. If they had already bought shares back, I think they would be more then willing to let us know because that would be great. But as I said earilier they need there money to run the business. They have no ads yet to pay the bill so our money is it. I understand that. That doesn't bother me but to lead us on about a possible buy back with no way to do it does bother me.

This leads to the last question. Lets say this goes to .10 or more next week, which I think it could. To buy back 7 to 10 billion O/S shares would cost 700 million to 1 billion dollars. Because they need to have only around 500 million shares to make this a legit company as far as Nasdaq is concerned. I think they can only make this work with a reverse split unless they want to be a pink sheet forever.

posted May 16, 2004 21:34            

quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
If anyone would like to know, comparitively, what Pridevision's parent company, Headline Media Group, trades for:

It went as high as $1.00 before they announced the sale of Pridevision.

It currently trades for .79.

Link to quote and chart:
http://www.headlinemediagroup.com/stock.html

~BB

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posted May 16, 2004 21:35            

I wanted to point out more directly the DECREASE in their pps since announcing the would sell Pridevision.

Pridevision revenue is not reported (or I can't find it) in the link Rics posted, because it is discontinued (sold) by its parent company, as far as I can tell. Headline Media continues to operate two other media properties.

--> As stated here in the PR:
Loss from discontinued operations (PrideVision TV) for the second quarter was nil compared to a loss of $0.2 million in the prior year. For the period November 29, 2003 to February 29, 2004, operating losses from PrideVision TV have been included in deferred charges, and will be recognized upon the closing of the sale of PrideVision's Canadian assets. Income from discontinued operations for the six months ended February 29, 2004 was $0.1 compared to a loss of $1.8 million in the prior year due to cost containment initiatives as well as gains on the settlement of liabilities.

Comparitively was probably not the right word to use, thx for pointing that out Rics.
~BB

quote:

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Originally posted by Rics1997:
http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/040415/headline_media_q2_ern_1.html

But they also only have 82.4 million O/S shares compared to Qbids 8 billion. Sorry but no way to compare this to QBID just from pps.

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posted May 16, 2004 21:39            

It went as high as $1.00 before they announced the sale of Pridevision.

It currently trades for .79.

http://www.headlinemediagroup.com/stock.html

posted May 16, 2004 21:45            

Pridevision was sold in a deal that has yet to be disclosed by Headline Media, in December 2003, finalized Feb 2004.

Coincidentally, Qtv broadcast Pridevision programming in the test signal this weekend.

In no way have I suggested Qbid was being bought out. I did, however, suggest on pure speculation that Qtv has acquired Pridevision's operations and therefore parts of it's programming in some sort of private deal.
~BB

quote:

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Originally posted by Bart:

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posted May 16, 2004 21:53            

What do you think?

Rick

posted May 16, 2004 22:02            

quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:

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In no way did I mean you said anything about a buy out. People who read the whole thing will understand what I was saying. I said there is a possible buy out. It was for people to see what could happen. In no way was it aimed at you saying anything about a buyout. Now are you happy. I SAID ABOUT THE BUY OUT. ME BART. This would be the very worst thing that could happen to QBID. Here we go again.

posted May 16, 2004 22:11            

quote:

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Originally posted by HitMe101:
Open @.02 would be a good start.

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AMEN, and hold above it all day.

posted May 16, 2004 22:16            

Gay TV Provides Fizz for Pepsi

posted May 16, 2004 22:20            

I'd really appreciate it if you'd edit the post.
thx,
~BB

quote:

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Originally posted by Bart:
In no way did I mean you said anything about a buy out. People who read the whole thing will understand what I was saying. I said there is a possible buy out. It was for people to see what could happen. In no way was it aimed at you saying anything about a buyout. Now are you happy. I SAID ABOUT THE BUY OUT. ME BART. This would be the very worst thing that could happen to QBID. Here we go again.

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posted May 16, 2004 22:23            

quote:

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Originally posted by HitMe101:
Open @.02 would be a good start.

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posted May 16, 2004 22:29            

quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
Bart,
Your former post has your comments inserted in bold in the middle of my original post.
It implies that your Buy Out comments are mine.
Since you feel so strongly, I'm sure you want people to know you are saying it, not me.
I simply asked you to move your comments so they read as your own, not mine.

I'd really appreciate it if you'd edit the post.
thx,
~BB

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posted May 16, 2004 22:41            

After all, free speech is what QBID is all about!
~BB

quote:

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Originally posted by Bart:
Mission has been taken care of. Now if you would take care of one mission. Do not tell people what they can post and not post on any QBID site. Free speech is still in play. Everyone was doing just fine and then. 007

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posted May 16, 2004 22:43            

quote:

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Originally posted by betting babe:
krecik,
what program specifically was on the Qtv signal test this weekend that was a Pridevision show?

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