quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I guess he forgot why FDR started Social security, medicare and unemployment to begin with and what this country would look like without it.
As for the comment by Lockman that people making uder $50K don't pay taxes. That comment is as out of touch with reality as McCain saying that the economy is sound. I paid taxes my whole life, quite a few of those years early on I made under $25K and always paid taxes, in fact i don't remember one year that I ever received a full refund of what was taken out by my employer. I still do simple taxes for a few nephews and nieces who are single and make around $20K. They pay taxes. I mean the taxes are taken out by their employer and they don't get it all back in the form of a return.
Exactly on both the FDR and Taxes comments... your a wise man Wally
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quote:Originally posted by thinkmoney: But, living in their native streets will be easier than here ...
They are survivors... they have seen and been through a whole lot worst then you or I could fathom... much like the Russians and the Gulag of the former Soviet Union... they laugh at our prison system because it's a walk in the park compared to back home... none of what Glass and others are suggesting will deter them because no matter what the conditions here are way better then back home...
My suggestion is reasonable of attacking the source of the problem... that is poverty from their homelands... I am not suggesting at all of giving financial aid to those countries to solve their poverty problems but i am suggesting that we use political pressure on them to do something about the poverty in their countries... once living in those countries improves for the poor in that they have opportunity to become middle class you will see illegal immigration here decrease... that is what will deter them from illegally immigrating... a better life in their countries as opposed to one here...
The funny thing is that you guys have no problems with our Gov't pressuring other countries in regards to other issues politically but with this one you do have a problem with political pressure... go figure
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quote:If we instituted the cuts that PM adovcates it would be hard to tell who was who living on the streets as there would be millions and millions more americans living on the street looking for soup kitchens. I guess he forgot why FDR started Social security, medicare and unemployment to begin with and what this country would look like without it.
I guess I have more faith in people than you do. Without government handouts, I think that most people would choose to work instead of being homeless and starving. This country was built by people that could fend for themselves, not a bunch of weak socialists that need the government to spoon feed them.
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quote:If we instituted the cuts that PM adovcates it would be hard to tell who was who living on the streets as there would be millions and millions more americans living on the street looking for soup kitchens. I guess he forgot why FDR started Social security, medicare and unemployment to begin with and what this country would look like without it.
I guess I have more faith in people than you do. Without government handouts, I think that most people would choose to work instead of being homeless and starving. This country was built by people that could fend for themselves, not a bunch of weak socialists that need the government to spoon feed them.
Unbelievable. The programs you are talking about; Social Security, Medicare and unemployment are for people that have worked in 2 of the cases for their whole lives. I'm guessing that you believe that people need to work until the day they die, if they haven't worked in a capacity that has afforded the luxury of having enough money to have invested wisely enough to afford retirement. So what do we do with people that can't work due to illness or later in life who suffer from alzhiemer's?
Have you ever heard of the working poor? They are real not a figment of the imagination.
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Social security pays for it self and it will for many more years.
If the Government would repay the money that they steal I mean barrow from it ,it would last even longer.
The government needs to have pressure put on it lower the retirement age to 58 and minimum monthly pay out of $2000.00 a month. Then let the dumb ass right wing figure where they are going to get there money for wars. Instead of them starting wars and wonder how we can keep the thieven hands off our social security.
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When I was making under 50,000.00 a year I was paying a good amount of taxes. And I could have used it for food clothes tires and many more things
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This is one and probably the only issue you are not a realist Glass...
actually, i'm not, and you know it. after the Mccain Kennedy bill failed? Bush finally started doing his job and began going after employers hiring illegals like they should have all along...
it's working...
51 illegal immigrants, 2 others arrested in raid at Palm Springs bakery A former and a current supervisor are accused of hiring the workers in exchange for $3,000 each. By Anna Gorman, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer September 11, 2008 A work site raid at a Palm Springs bakery Wednesday resulted in the arrests of 51 illegal immigrant workers and their current and former supervisors, who allegedly hired the employees in exchange for money.
Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said the agency had opened an investigation into Palm Springs Baking Co. based on a tip in 2006 that the business was hiring unauthorized workers.
During the investigation, officials said, they discovered that more than 100 of 130 Social Security numbers were invalid or didn't match the names of employees. Many of the Social Security numbers belonged to U.S. citizens or legal workers from California and several other states, as well as to people who had died, according to court papers. About 25 people were using fake numbers, court papers said.
Both the current supervisor, 52-year-old Margarita Avilez Hernandez, and the former manager, 36-year-old Alicia Ramirez, face criminal charges and could get six months in federal prison if convicted. Authorities said that the immigrants each paid $3,000 to get hired at the bakery and that many of them told the managers they were here illegally.
The arrests were the latest in a string of immigration enforcement actions at work sites nationwide. Between Sept. 30, 2007, and Aug. 30 of this year, the agency arrested about 4,700 illegal workers on suspicion of administrative immigration law violations and 1,070 others on criminal charges.
this is ORGANIZED CRIME and as the Feds continue to prosecute and hand out stiff fines and jail sentences, the jobs will disappear.
many places are now running everyone arrested thru a federal database to determine citizenship...
illegals are being allowed to go home rather than do time:
RI, federal agency in deal on immigrant prisoners
By RAY HENRY – 2 days ago
PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Rhode Island's prison system has entered into an agreement with U.S. immigration authorities that allows for the early release of illegal immigrants imprisoned for nonviolent offenses if they agree to be deported, Gov. Don Carcieri said Tuesday.
Under the deal between the state Department of Corrections and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, nonviolent inmates in the state prison could be released early if they have been ordered to leave the U.S. and agree not to return. Ex-prisoners caught re-entering the U.S. could be forced to serve the remainder of their state prison sentences and face new federal charges carrying additional 20-year sentences. The agreement is among the less controversial elements of a crackdown Carcieri launched on the estimated 20,000 to 40,000 illegal immigrants in Rhode Island in March, when he signed an executive order that requires state police and prison officials to identify illegal immigrants for potential deportation. State police have yet to reach an agreement with federal immigration officials laying out how they would work together. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j0jdko0JnbCUoS9EvRd8J9J-0YbQD933ELB80
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Crackdown has illegal immigrants leaving Arizona The Arizona Republic
NOGALES, Sonora - It's a common scene this time of year: streams of overloaded cars, pickups and vans with U.S. license plates crossing into Mexico for the holidays. Most are filled with Hispanic families from Arizona and other states on their way to visit relatives south of the border for a few weeks before heading back to the U.S. But this year, the holiday travelers are being joined by scores of families such as Jorge and Liliana Franco, who are driving to Mexico not to visit but to stay - permanently. Congress' failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform, immigration crackdowns, Arizona's new employer-sanctions law and a sluggish economy have combined to create a climate families such as the Francos no longer find hospitable.
Many undocumented immigrants leaving Long Island
BY DAVE MARCUS | dave.marcus*newsday.com August 7, 2008 While lawmakers debate measures to reduce the number of undocumented immigrants on Long Island, something unexpected is happening: Some immigrants are leaving, not because of legislation, but because of the economy.
"Work has dried up, and you can't afford to live here if you don't have money coming in regularly," said Jose Maldonado, 33, a carpenter and roof installer from Honduras who has lived in Huntington Station for five years. Maldonado said he can find work every other day at best, which makes it increasingly tough to pay $500 for the bedroom with no bathroom he shares with another worker.
sheesh...
Study: Thousands of illegal immigrants leaving U.S.
By Eunice Moscoso WASHINGTON STAFF Wednesday, July 30, 2008
WASHINGTON — Illegal immigrants are going home.
That is the conclusion of a study released Wednesday that says that stepped-up enforcement efforts are working, causing many illegal immigrants to self-deport.
The population has declined 11 percent since last summer — from 12.5 million to 11.2 million, according to the report by the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank that advocates lower levels of immigration.
Some groups of immigrants leaving Utah August 14th, 2008 * 5:40am By Paul Nelson
The country as a whole is seeing a mass exodus of illegal immigrants, but are these immigrants leaving Utah as well? Some groups are, but others are not.
In a recent Spanish radio talk show in Utah, one of the topics became, "Why are illegal immigrants leaving the country so quickly?" The Center for Immigration Studies says 1.3 million illegal immigrants have left the country since last year.
Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agencies say there have been more than 235,000 formal removals and voluntary returns already this fiscal year, which is more than they had in the entire fiscal year of 2006. Plus, Yapias says Latino businesses are feeling the economic downfall like everyone else.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: actually, i'm not, and you know it. after the Mccain Kennedy bill failed? Bush finally started doing his job and began going after employers hiring illegals like they should have all along...
it's working...
Yah, I know your not being a realist with this issue... again your not showing me anything that says it will decrease illegal immigration... you bust one employer another one takes his place... you deport one illegal immigrant , another one takes his place... simple as that.. but you pressure Mexico politically to do something about their poverty problem and in the near future less of them will want to immigrate here because there is opportunity in their own country to improve their lives with better pay and class status... makes sense? I think so.
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Question? If say somehow, tomorrow, we were able to get rid of every illegal immigrant in this country what to you think would happen in regard to prices we pay today?
Do you really think that american workers would work for the pay that the illegal immigrant workers for and live in a bedroom with a bath they have to share?
Or would the cost of doing business go up and then raise the cost of living for the rest of the country?
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quote:Do you really think that american workers would work for the pay that the illegal immigrant workers for and live in a bedroom with a bath they have to share?
Not while the government pays people to sit on their butt all day and watch their big screen TV!!! However, shut off those entitlements and they might suddenly be a little more motivated to work.
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how do I get get paid to sit on my butt all day and watch a big screen tv?...sounds good. even tho I have bad legs, back, shoulders,..i work a physical demanding job, play music, make money on the course,work on my rental, I cant afford health insurance but I make too much to get medical help(need it badly to keep working). So..all I have to do is stop working and be lazy and I'll be able to live the life of riley?from what I've learned..if you are healthy and able to work, the gorvn. does everything it can to prevent you from getting aid. Sec. 8 is hard to get and they constantly check up on you. ...lets not take two steps back to try and achieve one step forward...
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quote:So..all I have to do is stop working and be lazy and I'll be able to live the life of riley?
YOU BROKE THE CODE! Be lazy and play the victim and you too will soon be watching that big screen TV courtesy of the taxpayers!
quote:from what I've learned..if you are healthy and able to work, the gorvn. does everything it can to prevent you from getting aid. Sec. 8 is hard to get and they constantly check up on you.
Not to worry, I have plenty of lazy, healthy tenants who get Section 8. If they can do it, you can too!
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Believe it or not, PM, there are folks that are not healthy and able to work and aren't rich.
Of course, should one show up, you'll look the other way and take care not to see him or decry his race or mode of dress or whatever you can find or make up.....anything to belittle, embarrass, and disenfranchise someone who is not rich and all for the sake of your vulgar twisted ego.
Comes along a guy with money, selfish like you, crippled and ugly and you'll be showing him off as a hero and savior of America, ignoring the fact that he got rich working as a pimp providing underage teen age girls for Mafia get togethers.
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quote:Comes along a guy with money, selfish like you, crippled and ugly and you'll be showing him off as a hero and savior of America, ignoring the fact that he got rich working as a pimp providing underage teen age girls for Mafia get togethers.
It's a little early in the day to be drinking! You'd just about have to be drinking to come up with this gibberish!
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You couldn't come up with anything like that, dunk or sober, because your mind, such as it is, is closed and without true thought.
So, I suppose, being as that you call gibberish is on decidedly higher plane than you can envision existing, it clearly is gibberish to you.
Nothing I can do about that. I ain't a magician, ya know. No way to make you capable.
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Not to worry, I have plenty of lazy, healthy tenants who get Section 8. If they can do it, you can too!
And you have no problem renting to them knowingly that they are healthy and able to work instead of reporting them to the Gov't right? ... I smell hyprocrisy from you yet again and from what i can gather your a criminal by aiding ones who abuse the Section 8 program.
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More ridiculous drivel! I am in the rental business TO MAKE MONEY! I strongly advocate that the government stop the handouts, but as long as that is the reality of the system - I'm taking it.
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Yes, total HYPROCRISY. It's like if you lived in the Netherlands where drugs is legal or Italy where Prostitution is legal, and say your against such things but yet your a drugdealer or a pimp. Same thing. Except in your case your breaking the law by not reporting a crime (fraud) by knowing that your tenants are healthy enough to work etc...
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Don't be so critical of PM's motives and actual practices. Show bit of consideration and compassion.
If he were capable of understanding things that are this indirect he wouldn't be simple minded.....he wouldn't be him. Think about that, now, please.
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quote:Except in your case your breaking the law by not reporting a crime (fraud) by knowing that your tenants are healthy enough to work etc...
That's silly! Don't you think that the government knows they all could work? Of course they do! One or two could slip through the cracks, but when they're all healthy - that's intentional (thanks to you lefties)!!! It's not fraud (even though it should be) when the government is promoting it! It IS a disgrace! It IS enslaving poor people! It IS destroying our country? But Fraud? Maybe a fraud on the taxpayers!
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"That's silly! Don't you think that the government knows they all could work? "
Not if, as you claim, they are getting money from the government on the condition of being unable o work.
What is a disgrace is for some selfish mean bas-tard that hates everyone that is either not a far right-wing mad man or filthy rich to make himself rich taking that government money when he supposedly knows the people are taking money from the government under flse pretenses.
Have you not a patriotic bone in your body? THIS IS AMERICA. Report those welfare cheats! I think there must be some reward or award for doing that, the Ronald Reagan Caught 'em Too prize, maybe.
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If you disagree with all the handouts - LOOK IN THE MIRROR! You and the rest of the whiney, victim oriented lefties are completely responsible for this mess!
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quote:Originally posted by Propertymanager: Bdgee,
If you disagree with all the handouts - LOOK IN THE MIRROR! You and the rest of the whiney, victim oriented lefties are completely responsible for this mess!
BS.
It's you and your kind and the free market and golden parachutes for management that generates 90 % of the evil in the world today, including the damage to the U.S. economy.
You would starve to death if you couldn't syphon off graft from government welfare programs intended for people of need, for which any honest willing to work businessman should be ashamed. Government graft is all you know how to do!
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PMS... I know you are one dishonest, money-grubbing,egocentric,slumlord...now thats just a fact. No sarcasam or exaggeration or name-calling...just fact. anyone besides Lilly-white, pansy-azz PMS disagree?
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You forgot to include that he is just plumb mean.
Mean, like a mad yellow jacket or a p.o.ed baboon.
Not the mean that's sort of like near average or half way, though, cause he's nowhere close to that, less than that......definitely on the beneath part of human, if he's even on the same scale as humans.
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You guys are just downright sad when you are losing! It's a pity that name calling and gibberish are all you have to contribute.
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I ain't sad, except that someone like you that is so full of hate and so disgustingly mean gets to spout lies constantly and doesn't even know how sick and sickening he is.
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"But an examination of her swift rise and record as mayor of Wasilla and then governor finds that her visceral style and penchant for attacking critics — she sometimes calls local opponents “haters” — contrasts with her carefully crafted public image.
Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials."
Small town politics can be very viscous once the person is elected. This seems to be the case with Palin.
"Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.
Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska professor, sought the e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) An administration official told Mr. Steiner that it would cost $468,784 to process his request.
When Mr. Steiner finally obtained the e-mail messages — through a federal records request — he discovered that state scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger, records show.
“Their secrecy is off the charts,” Mr. Steiner said."
Secrecy and sticking to stories that are proven untrue. Hmm, Remind you of anyone? There is a lot more in the 4 page article linked below.
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The Republican strategy seems to be working. Keep everybody talking about nonexistant bridges, lipstick, troopers and drilling. Then people won't look any further.
How about talking about the fact that Palin would be president if McCain were to become incapcitated or die in office. Would you really feel safe with Palin in office dealing with Russia on the basis that she commands the Alaskan National guard and she can see Russia from an island in Alaska?
Foreign Relations are going to be as important if not more important than the economy is the next few years. Current policy in dealing with Russia is leading to a confrontation McCain/Palin seem intent on persuing policies that are even more agressive and reckless than Bush/Cheney.
Also, since when has the Vice Presidency become this powerful position that McCain keeps touting. He states that Palin will clean house. In my many years of following politics, many have passed on accepting the VP nomination because of the weakness of the position. Maybe since Cheney has been there things have changed. Since 1900 only 2 former VP's, that didn't take over as president prior to running have become President. Richard Nixon and George Bush I. The other 5 were elected as sitting presidents.
Hmm, Since Palin had to ask what a VP does maybe the McCain camp told her a lie, that she would have power to make changes and since she didn't know any better she believed them.
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After I saw as much of Palin interview as I could stand I came aware that she is one of the best car salespeople that I have ever seen or heard in my life.
Most of the questions she could not answer but she addressed the question with a yes but let me tell you what I do know. Great sales job and sales 101 give a lot of information that says nothing it is a sales tactic that has worked for hundreds of years.
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