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quote:
Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:
Some general info on Gov. Palin.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.bio/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

The more I read on her, the more I like the choice.

McCain\Palin '08!

i think she's a good choice (so far) on the face value, i liked Mccain for '00 and i hate like heck to be a knuckle dragging biggot, but i don't think being president is the job for somebody his age. His Mom might be sharp and spry in her 90's but let's face it, John's been rode hard and put away wet.
this job is 24/7/365 X 4...

my biggest political concern is his "adoption" of the neo-cons into his campaign... without them? i like him... with them? i don't trust him to change the foreign policies that Bush has mishandled to such an extreme...

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McCain is 82 years old.

A vote for him is a vote for another president that is a young inexperienced fanatic far right-wing ex cheer leader, who claims * global warming is a hoax.

* and believes....put that in your education pipe and smoke it.

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All I hope is that in 6 more months she is not our president
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Analysis: Palin could complicate energy debate
Saturday, August 30, 2008
WASHINGTON - If Democrats hoped to portray John McCain as captive to the oil industry, their task became more complicated with his selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a running mate.

She is an ardent advocate for more drilling - off Alaska, off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts and in the off-limits Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Yet she also has not shied away from confronting Exxon Mobil, BP and ConocoPhillips.

As the presidential campaign moves into high gear, McCain and Democratic nominee Barack Obama will duel over two overriding energy issues: whether to expand offshore oil drilling into areas long off-limits and whether to impose new taxes on oil companies enjoying tens of billions of dollars in windfall profits.

Palin is a popular governor in a state that for decades has been closely tied to oil. She may be a political novice, but she is hardly a newcomer when it comes to these two issues. Her emergence as McCain's No. 2 and possibly the next vice president could shift the campaign's energy debate.

When it comes to the oil industry is Palin friend or foe?

The answer may not be black or white but shades of gray.

"No one is closer to the oil industry than Governor Palin," said Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club in comments reflecting the views of a cross section of environmental activists. They cite her eagerness to embrace expanded offshore oil development, her lawsuit against further protection of polar bears so as not to hinder oil drilling in Alaska's ice-filled waters and her ardent support to allow oil companies into the Alaska wildlife refuge.

Drilling in the refuge's sliver of coastal tundra in northeastern Alaska - an area viewed by environmentalists as a treasured wild place that also harbors 11 billion barrels of oil - was believed to have been a dead issue. McCain opposes drilling there, as does Obama.

But that too might be changing.

The selection of Palin places the refuge's "energy production front and center in the policy debate once again," maintains Brian Kennedy, senior vice president of the Institute for Energy Research. The group has pushed for increased domestic oil production and has some oil companies among its sponsors.

While McCain has said he has not changed his mind about drilling there, he also has said that he is willing to re-examine the issue.

When it comes to taxing oil companies, Palin's selection might well be a doubled-edged knife for the McCain campaign.

Shortly after becoming governor in 2006, she pushed new oil taxes through the Alaska Legislature, saying the taxes proposed by her predecessor, Frank Murkowski, were too favorable to the oil companies. She was bucking Exxon Mobil, BP PLC and ConocoPhillips, which strongly opposed the legislation.

The new tax brought in an estimated $6 billion in the last budget year, bulging Alaska's treasury with an expected surplus of as much as $9 billion. Thst enabled Palin to push a second initiative - giving each Alaskan $1,200 to help them cope with high energy costs.

Sound familiar?

Obama has proposed taxing the windfall profits of the five biggest oil companies and giving people $1,000 to pay for high energy costs. Palin called such financial help "a tool that must be on the table" although she differs with Obama on the money's source.

Like McCain, Palin says a national windfall profits tax on oil companies will hinder domestic energy production. Democrats are expected to be quick to ask: If it's good for Alaska, why isn't it good for the country?

But Palin has bucked oil companies in other ways. She pushed for more competition for the construction of a $26 billion pipeline to bring natural gas from the North Slope to the lower 48 states by favoring the TransCanada pipeline project, backed by independent companies over one proposed by BP and ConocoPhillips. She has tangled with Exxon Mobil and other oil companies over their reluctance to develop gas fields on state land.

Republicans hope that will neutralize claims that the McCain ticket is too cozy with the oil industry and shift more of the energy debate away from oil taxes to the need for expanded offshore drilling and generally more domestic energy production - issues on which Palin has been outspoken.

Don't expect the Obama campaign, not to mention many of the environmental activists, to cooperate.

"Big Oil extended its reach into the campaign of John McCain," said Margie Alt, executive director of Environment America, a federation of state-based environmental groups, after Palin's selection became known.

Mark Hellenthal, a Republican pollster in Alaska sees it differently. In the state "she's viewed ... as almost anti-oil. She's probably pro-oil from a national perspective, but she's not in the pocket of Big Oil. She's fought them at every step."

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Governor's office: http://gov.state.ak.us/

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An interesting choice for McCain. Now the inexperienced issue will be debated as do you want an inexperienced President or Vice President.

On the job training is a wonderful thing.

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Salin Palin was picked for one reason and one reason only....

To get America to drill for oil in Alaska!!!!!

Watch this youtube video before she was picked and it was just a "Well-Known" rumor!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3jnbiHAMuY

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The choice is brilliant IMO.

Head over heels better than Hillary.

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sheeesh that guy is almost as annoying as limbugger...

not one of his points is verifiable...
when does he get to Palin? i an't gonna listen to him for ten minute to find it...

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here's her attitude on the Supreme Court Exxon decision:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H-26MOxH34&feature=related

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
sheeesh that guy is almost as annoying as limbugger...

not one of his points is verifiable...
when does he get to Palin? i an't gonna listen to him for ten minute to find it...

Lol...I feel your pain.... [Big Grin]

I don't want you to suffer so I'll help you out a little...she comes on at 4:20

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Here is Sarah Palin's first speech with Mcain after Mcain anounced his number #2 pick.

America: Meet Sarah Palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg0darQB7r4

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I dont see why running a small town from the past is a bad thing. Is it really some big issue? Small towns in my experience seem to have much more friendly people, and more values. Every time I go through a big city its all about materialism.

It's that running a nation is a whole lot different then running a small town with a population of 6,700.

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quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
McCain is 82 years old.

A vote for him is a vote for another president that is a young inexperienced fanatic far right-wing ex cheer leader, who claims * global warming is a hoax.

* and believes....put that in your education pipe and smoke it.

He's 72 no? ... If so you better cut down on smoking the "good stuff" Bgeesus lol

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quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
An interesting choice for McCain. Now the inexperienced issue will be debated as do you want an inexperienced President or Vice President.

On the job training is a wonderful thing.

I think he stepped on his own foot with his choice... and I'm not saying that because I hate the GOP...I can be fair when it comes to VP choices and such...

First of all he picked a woman... so let's face it the GOP is a Good Ole boys club... they are not so much into a woman being in power and neither are the male GOP voters of this country... that is one of the problems they had with Hillary running regardless of disagreeing with her views... it's a macho society in America...

Second she has alot of enemies in the GOP because she's made a career of running against GOPers and outseating them...

Third she's no favorite of the oil industry... She is tough with negotiations with the big Oil companies, has raised their taxes, currently is trying to revoke Exxon's license to develop some area in Alaska, contracted with a Canadian company in building or servicing a pipeline etc...

Fourth is that it is a whole lot different in running a nation versus running a small town of 6,700 & Alaska... Some might not like that GOP or not... etc.. etc..

That is just some of the hurdles I think McCain will face with his pick...

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Sorry, Mach, you have it right....I just can't type. But, otherwise, it stands.
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the GOP is a Good Ole boys club

sure, and that's why Rice is Sec State...

male GOP voters of this country... that is one of the problems they had with Hillary running regardless

LOL.. get a grip

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the GOP is a Good Ole boys club

sure, and that's why Rice is Sec State...

I am sure that the GOP were not too happy with her being picked for that position Glass... be honest about that...

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male GOP voters of this country... that is one of the problems they had with Hillary running regardless

LOL.. get a grip

Oh, so your telling me that Hillary being a woman had nothing to do with it? That male chauvinists of this country did not care whether she was a woman or not? I am not saying that is the only reason for being against Hill but that is certainly one of the reasons... If it wasn't so a woman would of been elected a long time ago in this country... this country with the exception of Kennedy being President is still a WASP nation and this election whether the Dems or GOP win will be historic in that regards because either a Black American will be President or a woman will be VP... now we just have to ask ourselves that we are the most of... are we still racists at heart or chauvinist at heart... face it some guys have a problem with a woman running things or a black man being President... these are not the only things to be or for against someone but it is in there whether we like to admit it or not...

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No Mach...most male voters in this country wouldn't vote for Hillary...not because she was a woman, but because she is a lying, self serving, power hungry elitist...

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quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
No Mach...most male voters in this country wouldn't vote for Hillary...not because she was a woman, but because she is a lying, self serving, power hungry elitist...

Ah, like most politicians including your heroes... again go back to retirement... you made your daily contribution... if you do not see this country's history when it comes to men vs women being given positions of power regardless of views then your better off retiring from everything in life including forums... yes women nowadays are getting closer to an equal playing field but still faraway... only 3 women have run for Prez and VP that I can remember and for a reason... it's a boys club... whether you like to admit it or not... don't get me wrong i'm all for a woman being voted in to very high positions but then again that is because i'm a Lib and more open minded... [Big Grin]

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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
She is so hot, and she is a member of the NRA! Her son is in the Army...another plus with me. She likes fishing too!

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McCain must be a Bill Clinton fan. Why have a fat Monica when you can have a smoking hot VP.
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yes women nowadays are getting closer to an equal playing field but still faraway... only 3 women have run for Prez and VP that I can remember and for a reason... it's a boys club...

that's an age thing Mach. much like racism. did you forget that my wife is a doctor? and no, she was not when we got married.

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Yah, she has the whole hot librarian or corporate exec fantasy thing going on where she pulls her hair down and glasses off while ripping her shirt off lol... but those pics are old because she's aged a little...

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quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
yes women nowadays are getting closer to an equal playing field but still faraway... only 3 women have run for Prez and VP that I can remember and for a reason... it's a boys club...

that's an age thing Mach. much like racism. did you forget that my wife is a doctor? and no, she was not when we got married.

So your telling me women in general are treated equally in this country in the past and now?. That men in general do not have a problem with a woman in charge?

I'll be honest that in my workplaces I have had problems with women bosses not because i hate women or them in power but because they have something to prove because they are women... they have to be twice as good as man to be considered just as good as a man so they tend to be b*tchy in management positions... that is just my experience...

Other guys just dont want a woman in position of power... they think it's a man's job etc.. much like the show Mad Men... that is a perfect example of how it was and how some men still think that way... but like i said that is slowly changing for the good... but in the GOP imo more then the Dem party the men in general still think that way...

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So your telling me women in general are treated equally in this country in the past and now?. That men in general do not have a problem with a woman in charge?

the show Mad Men is very much on target for it's age Mach, however, there is an age cut-off for people born about 1955 where that changes dramatically. I've pointed out the stats here plenty of times that women still get paid about 75% of what men get paid for the same jobs. My wife is in a field that is still very much dominated by men, but the way to break that mold is not to stand up and shout about being treated unfairly, the key is to be better than anybody else regardless. Hillary's resume is not even about HER, it's about her HUSBAND, which is a disservice to women if you voted for her based on that.

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Quote Glassman:

"did you forget that my wife is a doctor?"

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I meant to ask you this before, do we get free online consultations if we say we know you? [Smile]

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quote:
Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
Quote Glassman:

"did you forget that my wife is a doctor?"

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I meant to ask you this before, do we get free online consultations if we say we know you? [Smile]

only if you are an arthropod in need of gene therapy [Big Grin]

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here's a great article on how the glass (did somebody say GLASS ! ) ceiling is really being broken...

In 2006, according to the Census Bureau, about 27 million American men held a college degree; so did about 27 million American women. This is a tipping point, however, not an equilibrium, because male college graduates tend to be old, and female graduates tend to be young. Among people age 65 and older, men are much more likely than women to be college-educated. Middle-aged men and women are at parity. Among young adults ages 25 to 34 years old, the college gap favors women almost as lopsidedly as it favors men among their grandparents' generation.



http://www.reason.com/news/show/124402.html


fast social change is called revolution, slow social change is called progress [Wink]

in ten-twenty years? men will be able to file discrimination suits just like women have, and be called whiners.. [Big Grin]

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Quote:

"only if you are an arthropod in need of gene therapy"

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It seems like i have tried everything else here lately sounds good to me.

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quote:
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"only if you are an arthropod in need of gene therapy"

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It seems like i have tried everything else here lately sounds good to me.

LOL. are your antennae bothering you? [Roll Eyes]

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LOL. are your antennae bothering you?

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It bothers me from my toes to my antenna but it the part just below the middle that's causing it all, does that fall into that gene part?

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i watched the Thomas Edison story on TCM this morning... it was very interesting how Edison was portrayed as the "outsider" in terms of big business (the nat gas barrons)...

reminded me of the oil crisis today...

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Kinda got off track here.

Sometimes it gets frustrating when you see these doctors and if your problem does not fit into the standard moled they seem to be lost. You know the one where you take a pill and everything is better. Sure wish it worked that way.

Back to the discussion.

I have always liked working for women.

It seems like they have to take so much junk from men that do not like working for women that if you are nice to them and respect them they seem to appreciate it even more.

This does not mean you never have disageements.

I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, but i have been vey lucky not to have found them over my working years.

I don't see why men have a problem taking orders from a woman most of our mothers and wives use to and still do give them quite often. [Smile]

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I don't see why men have a problem taking orders from a woman most of our mothers and wives use to and still do give them quite often.

isn't that why men would go to work? to hide from their real boss [Big Grin]

seriously? if women weren't already in charge? we wouldn't even have indoor plumbing. [Wink]

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quote:
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quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
She is so hot, and she is a member of the NRA! Her son is in the Army...another plus with me. She likes fishing too!

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McCain must be a Bill Clinton fan. Why have a fat Monica when you can have a smoking hot VP.
LoL...I was trying to think of a joke like that, but you beat me to the punch.

anyways....she is pretty hot....she looks like one of those innocent school teachers, that turn into wild and crazy STRIPPERS at night for extra cash. Like the teacher in the movie "Varsity Blues" [Were Up]

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are those things fake or real?

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