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This year's election has underscored the fact that election for VP should be by the people and not just an appointee. Most states have recognized this and have Governors and Lt Governor's that are elected by the people.
Since the VP does have the possibility of eventually running the country it is just too important a decision and should be voted upon by the people.
IMO, both choices, Palin and Biden, would never have been in a position to be VP if the public had been given the chance to vote.
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quote:Originally posted by bond006: sorry palin is a sow
She can dish it out but can't take it dished to her...
I'm not sure you understand. Maybe you are too much the big city boy.
Bond's point is: In swine, mature and semi-mature males are called pigs and the females are called sows, much as it is in canines, where the term dog refers to a male and you know how to indicate a female. Young canines are puppies and young swine are piglets.
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I guess I am a big city boy even though the population where i live is only 40,000 about... but I more or less I understood what Bond meant... but my point still is that she can dish it out but can't take getting dished at...
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The fact is we don't know what she can take or not since the party and campaign have shielded her from standing on her own 2 feet. They have formed a protective web around her allowing her to only parrot what they want and making an issue of any perceived slight or attack on her.
It's a great political strategy and has worked so far but sure doesn't advance their battle cry of "Country First". If she is so qualified to be the Vice President, why does she need to be educated about the issues before sitting down and answering questions?
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Self Destructing? Obama had the guts to get interviewed by Bill O'Reilly... Palin and McCain? Have no guts but to say things from afar... McCain can take physical torture but apparently is afraid of emotional/mental torture from a reporter... and his figurehead nominee as well...
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what i find interesting at this point is how excited people are about somebody they know nothing about....
it doesn't say much about the country when we are arguing over whether Palin is a pig with lipstick or a pitbull with lipstick while so much is going wrong...
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: what i find interesting at this point is how excited people are about somebody they know nothing about....
it doesn't say much about the country when we are arguing over whether Palin is a pig with lipstick or a pitbull with lipstick while so much is going wrong...
Couldn't agree with you more.
It really shows that a majority of people in this country are satisfied to vote for someone based on personality or wedge issues and not look at the big picture.
We saw it with Obama during his primary campaign and now are seeing it again with the nomination of Palin.
The most ironic part is that it seems a lot of people have forgotten that John McCain is running for President.
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Palin bills Alaska for nights in own home, family travel expenses
By JAMES V. GRIMALDI and KARL VICK WASHINGTON POST
Published: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 9:02 a.m. Last Modified: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 9:13 a.m.
ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.
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In Search of Rational Voters Do such creatures exist? How can we mint more of them?
Shenkman talks a great deal about the Iraq War, and I will try briefly to summarize what he says--not because I relish rehashing the Iraq debate, but because I think he makes some points that are hard to dismiss.
The crucial ones have to do with perceptions of Saddam Hussein. Polls consistently have shown that for most of the past seven years, a majority of Americans believed Saddam was involved in the 9/11 attacks. A larger majority believed him to be in league with Al Qaeda somehow. And even more were ready to brand him as an international terrorist.
Shenkman believes, and I think he is right, that the war never would have achieved popular support in this country had most voters known that all of these assertions were false. The truth—that Saddam was a brutal thug, but not an international terrorist—was available to anyone who wished to learn it. The bipartisan 9/11 commission declared definitively in early 2004 that Saddam had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The presidential election was held that fall with roughly half the country utterly mistaken on an issue of vital importance."
People believe what they want to hear in spite of the evidence to the contrary.
"I wish I had some evidence from the current presidential campaign that the voters are finally beginning to pay attention and judge what they hear on the basis of real knowledge. Sadly, I don't. The electorate seems all too ready to accept Democratic arguments that John McCain wants the Iraq War to last 100 years, when McCain has said nothing of the sort. McCain keeps telling the electorate, and convincing a significant part of it, that Barack Obama's economic plan would raise taxes on the middle class, when every reputable analysis makes clear it wouldn't do that. This campaign provides Shenkman with almost as much ammunition as the last one."
Sadly the electing of a President has come down to sound bites. Hear what you want to hear and don't bother taking the time to make sure it's true.
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Governor Is Asked To Release E-Mails By Karl Vick Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, September 10, 2008; Page A04
WASILLA, Alaska, Sept. 9 -- Gov. Sarah Palin is being asked by a local Republican activist to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request, including 40 that were copied to her husband, Todd. "From the case law, if government voluntarily opens up that internal decision-making to what I would call civilians, then that is waiver of that protection of the government policy decision-making process. That is what happened here, and it happened because Sarah Palin doesn't understand it," he said.
Todd Palin was frequently copied on e-mails relating to Alaska State Troopers and the union representing public safety employees, according to McLeod, who received four boxes of redacted e-mails in response to her request. At the time, both Sarah and Todd Palin were complaining to the state public safety commissioner about a disciplinary matter involving Sarah Palin's ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper.
Palin also routinely does government business from a Yahoo address, gov.sarah*yahoo.com, rather than her secure official state e-mail address,
"There's a reason the governor should be using her own official e-mail channels, because of security and encryption," the lawyer said. "She's running state business out of Yahoo?"
On March 17, minutes after peppering a state official about whether e-mails about state business contained on a personal BlackBerry could become public, senior Palin aide Ivy Frye addressed a message to both Palins and two other aides: "In sum, it's just as I thought -- questions of confidentiality are still unanswered by law."
McLeod, a former state employee who once was close to Palin, filed an ethics complaint last month against Palin and others. She cited e-mail traffic that appeared to show that the governor's office improperly helped a Palin fundraiser obtain a civil service position.
"By withholding these emails, Sarah Palin has broken on her promise of being open, honest and transparent," McLeod said in a statement. "It's old-school politics and not the kind of reform she pledged to Alaskans."
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Judge warned Palin in 2005 to back off brother-in-law's job
(CNN) -- An Alaska judge warned Gov. Sarah Palin's family against trying to get her then-brother-in-law fired, according to court records.
Investigators want to know if Sarah Palin tried to use her position improperly to get her former brother-in-law fired.
That warning came long before the controversy over her dismissal of the brother-in-law's boss, the state's public safety commissioner, records show.
Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, is battling allegations she and her advisers pressured Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire her sister's husband, State Trooper Mike Wooten.
Palin's sister, Molly McCann, and Wooten were in the process of getting a divorce when the judge hearing the couple's case said McCann's family appeared to be putting Wooten's job at risk at a time when he would be required to pay child support.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: The fact is we don't know what she can take or not since the party and campaign have shielded her from standing on her own 2 feet. They have formed a protective web around her allowing her to only parrot what they want and making an issue of any perceived slight or attack on her.
It's a great political strategy and has worked so far but sure doesn't advance their battle cry of "Country First". If she is so qualified to be the Vice President, why does she need to be educated about the issues before sitting down and answering questions?
The republican party has for decades been purely party first before Country. If they ever let the conversation get around to what is good for the Country.
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I just wish they'd let Palin go off script for a bit and answer our questions.
Supposedly she is a young earth creationist who believes that armageddon will happen within our lifetimes. I'd like to hear her say something about that herself.
I'd like to hear her reasons for charging the per-diems as in Glassman's article above.
I'd like to know what she sees her position in the White House as, since before she accepted the position she was asking the media that very question.
Beyond that I'd like to hear some specifics of how they are going to change Washington. I've heard veto earmarks. OK. What does that mean exactly? What is your criteria of the word earmark. I've heard name names. What is that expected to accomplish. I've heard drill now. How do you plan to do that? I've heard nuclear. Again, how are you going to do that?
Oh, and a few other questions I haven't heard anything about. How are you going to balance the budget and pay off Bush's credit card? What is your education plan? What is your opinion on the Fred and Fannie bailout? Are you going to challenge R V Wade? Any plan of action regarding the corruption in oil and gas oversight? War on Drugs? Immigration? Anything?
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McCain, Palin to campaign together After Alaska trip, she'll be back by his side as early as next week, aide says
FAIRBANKS, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will spend much of the next few weeks campaigning with Sen. John McCain, a move that not only capitalizes on the Republican enthusiasm for the vice presidential nominee but also limits her exposure to the news media
quote:Originally posted by The Bigfoot: I just wish they'd let Palin go off script for a bit and answer our questions.
Supposedly she is a young earth creationist who believes that armageddon will happen within our lifetimes. I'd like to hear her say something about that herself.
I'd like to hear her reasons for charging the per-diems as in Glassman's article above.
I'd like to know what she sees her position in the White House as, since before she accepted the position she was asking the media that very question.
Beyond that I'd like to hear some specifics of how they are going to change Washington. I've heard veto earmarks. OK. What does that mean exactly? What is your criteria of the word earmark. I've heard name names. What is that expected to accomplish. I've heard drill now. How do you plan to do that? I've heard nuclear. Again, how are you going to do that?
Oh, and a few other questions I haven't heard anything about. How are you going to balance the budget and pay off Bush's credit card? What is your education plan? What is your opinion on the Fred and Fannie bailout? Are you going to challenge R V Wade? Any plan of action regarding the corruption in oil and gas oversight? War on Drugs? Immigration? Anything?
Exactly... right now she is nothing but fluff and the women flocking to her are too blind to see that...
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According to what I have read, more men than women are flocking to her but that point aside.
IMO, the elephant in the room is that, possibly, many of the people that are now moving to the McCain/Palin ticket is because they are more comfortable with a woman being Vice President than a Black man being president.
A lot of people in this country believe in voting for what they consider the lesser of two evils. This of course is something that will never be polled or IMO, even if polled never be answered truthfully.
I really don't believe that anyone who truly supported Obama was swayed by the choice of Palin as VP but those that were lukewarm about Obama found their out.
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: According to what I have read, more men than women are flocking to her but that point aside.
IMO, the elephant in the room is that, possibly, many of the people that are now moving to the McCain/Palin ticket is because they are more comfortable with a woman being Vice President than a Black man being president.
A lot of people in this country believe in voting for what they consider the lesser of two evils. This of course is something that will never be polled or IMO, even if polled never be answered truthfully.
I really don't believe that anyone who truly supported Obama was swayed by the choice of Palin as VP but those that were lukewarm about Obama found their out.
Yes!
One of the reasons they so much wanted to see Clinton on the ticket was that they could have used it to add anti-female votes to their cadre.
And we need to remember that since about 1965, primarily, the republican party has made itself a home for those racial bigots that want to call themselves politically responsible while voting simply for racial intolerance. It is the majority of the party's membership.
During the last few years, though, they have mixed in a mite of anti-Mexican hate too, so there is some diversification. I guess that is progress.
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quote:And we need to remember that since about 1965, primarily, the republican party has made itself a home for those racial bigots that want to call themselves politically responsible while voting simply for racial intolerance. It is the majority of the party's membership.
During the last few years, though, they have mixed in a mite of anti-Mexican hate too, so there is some diversification. I guess that is progress.
Totally RIDICULOUS! However, you're making progress Bdgee - at least this post was readable. Now, if you could just include truthful content in a readable post, you would have something!
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Wouldn't it be nice if the issues that really matter could be discussed.........like how the democratic ticket wants to tax us into a third world status!
How both candidates can talk to bluecollar workers about lost jobs and then support legislation that lets companies import cheaper labor to take those jobs.
How they talk about securing Americans but refuse to secure our borders from a flood of illegal immigrants and crimminals. (I'm assuming that we still refur to people that break our laws as crimminals).
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quote:Originally posted by Lockman: Wouldn't it be nice if the issues that really matter could be discussed.........like how the democratic ticket wants to tax us into a third world status!
Yes, probably raise taxes but this is the part you and other GOP supporters leave out. Raise taxes due to Bush/GOP going on a spending spree with what they consider a credit card and putting us in the biggest deficit there ever was I think... if we don't pay down that deficit we will be in more major trouble... and how do you expect us to pay it down? ... Remember the old saying: Money don't grow on trees. Stop spending and then we can cut taxes. That is the bottom line.
quote:How both candidates can talk to bluecollar workers about lost jobs and then support legislation that lets companies import cheaper labor to take those jobs.
Obama is willing to listen and/or talk to the Unions which protect workers while McCain intends to destroy the Unions and bring back the days of cheap labor and no worker protection so the rich truely get richer and the poor more poorer with no middle class.
quote:How they talk about securing Americans but refuse to secure our borders from a flood of illegal immigrants and crimminals. (I'm assuming that we still refur to people that break our laws as crimminals).
And do you think securing our borders will solve or stop illegal immigration? How about getting to the root of the problem and come up with a solution. The root of the problem is rampant corruption in Mexico and other latin american countries that causes causes a more wider split in classes. In other words, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. If we put political and other pressure in these countries to solve or lower their poverty problems then you would see a decrease in illegal immigration. Putting up a fence/wall or more border patrols will not make this go away no matter how much you think it would or you would like to ignore it. Simple as that.
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quote:And we need to remember that since about 1965, primarily, the republican party has made itself a home for those racial bigots that want to call themselves politically responsible while voting simply for racial intolerance. It is the majority of the party's membership.
During the last few years, though, they have mixed in a mite of anti-Mexican hate too, so there is some diversification. I guess that is progress.
Totally RIDICULOUS! However, you're making progress Bdgee - at least this post was readable. Now, if you could just include truthful content in a readable post, you would have something!
PM, you are a simple childish joke. Were it not for the hate and evil you expouse constantly, you would be laughable....not laughable funny, but pitifully so. Truth is not a thing you are familiar with, so take care in labeling things beyond your grasp. Otherwise, by trying to decipher what is truth, you only prove your own ignorance and become more and more pitiful.
Lockman, you are hopelessly out of date. There is no chance that the democrats can tax us into third world status, because the republicans have already placed us firmly in that category. Tried to afford gasoline or get a mortgage lately? And how do you like the trippling of the cost of milk since 2000? Wanna talk about beef or beans or maybe donuts at the corner bakery? Too, there is the cost of the supplies and new shoes and clothes and such for school kids for mama and daddy to manage.
Get your narrow mind off that asinine and false hype about taxes! Taxes are how WE pay for our government and somebody is going to have to raise them in order to buy us out of the deep deep hole the republicans have dug us into by not taxing us to wage their illegal and unnecessary war in Iraq, then chargin it off to loans from China so we could attain third world status. Whose taxes do you imagine will pay off our debt to China for your war dufus?
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by Lockman: Wouldn't it be nice if the issues that really matter could be discussed.........like how the democratic ticket wants to tax us into a third world status! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, probably raise taxes but this is the part you and other GOP supporters leave out. Raise taxes due to Bush/GOP going on a spending spree with what they consider a credit card and putting us in the biggest deficit there ever was I think... if we don't pay down that deficit we will be in more major trouble... and how do you expect us to pay it down? ... Remember the old saying: Money don't grow on trees. Stop spending and then we can cut taxes. That is the bottom line.
Well the last I looked the congress is controlled by Democrat's what proposals have been put forward in the last 2 years?
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actually it's one full year.... they didn't get into power until Jan '07...
since then Bush has done 12 vetoes and been overridden 4 times... that's the highest percentage of vetoes overridden since Andrew Johnson (he took over after Lincoln was shot)
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Well the last I looked the congress is controlled by Democrat's what proposals have been put forward in the last 2 years?
Did it ever occur to you that with Bush still in office the Democrat control Congress would not get far with any proposal because he will veto anything strictly because of party politics?. They are waiting for someone like Obama to be in the White House that is why. It is very logical.
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- How they talk about securing Americans but refuse to secure our borders from a flood of illegal immigrants and crimminals. (I'm assuming that we still refur to people that break our laws as crimminals). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
And do you think securing our borders will solve or stop illegal immigration? How about getting to the root of the problem and come up with a solution. The root of the problem is rampant corruption in Mexico and other latin american countries that causes causes a more wider split in classes. In other words, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. If we put political and other pressure in these countries to solve or lower their poverty problems then you would see a decrease in illegal immigration. Putting up a fence/wall or more border patrols will not make this go away no matter how much you think it would or you would like to ignore it. Simple as that.
Now the USA is suppose to correct all the problems in 3rd world countries? All I've heard is how we should have stayed out of Iraq and let them work out their own problems. Please make up your mind! Oh wait if a democrat president proposes something we should rush right in. Close the border and restict the ability of illegals to work and they will go home.
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Palin may seek to quash subpoenas in trooper case Fairness concerns about the investigation are being raised
By Russ Britt, MarketWatch Last update: 2:23 p.m. EDT Sept. 11, 2008Comments: 2LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) --
Officials from Gov. Sarah Palin's law department in Alaska may seek to quash subpoenas that would compel some of the vice presidential nominee's subordinates to testify in the probe involving the firing of a state public safety official. A letter from the Alaska Attorney General's office says the investigation led by Democratic legislators is raising concerns about fairness, and they may move to block the testimony in the probe of whether Palin, now the running mate for Republican presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain, improperly exercised her authority in removing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan. State attorneys say Democratic State Sen. Hollis French, who is overseeing the legislative probe, has made several comments alleging the Palin camp may have illegally obtained personnel files regarding a state trooper, Mike Wooten. Wooten was involved in a rancorous divorce with Palin's sister, Molly McCann, and allegedly threatened the father of Palin and McCann. Wooten ended up receiving a suspension. Fired by Palin in July, Monegan later told the Anchorage Daily News that he was pressured by Palin's husband, Todd, and her aides to fire Wooten. Palin has denied firing Monegan over the Wooten issue, saying instead she wanted to take the department in a new direction. The letter from Assistant Attorney General Michael Barnhill says that Palin was well within her jurisdiction to review Wooten's personnel files because she is ultimately in the trooper's chain of command. "The governor has supervisory authority over all executive branch employees," Barnhill's letter states. "As the supervisory chief of the executive branch, the governor has a right of access to information in the personnel files of employees in the branch she supervises." French reportedly indicated that the handling of Wooten's personnel files violated the law, Barnhill said in the letter. Barnhill declined to comment beyond what the letter states. French could not be immediately reached for comment. In the seven-page letter, Barnhill said the attorney general's decision not to proceed with depositions of Palin's underlings was done to protect those workers from concerns they could face criminal charges for acts that were legal. He cited a provision in the Alaska constitution - written when it achieved statehood in 1959 - that protects employees from the improper threat of criminal prosecution, a part of state law that was prompted by the 1950s McCarthy hearings. Barnhill acknowledges in the letter, however, that there are instances where the handling of personnel files is done improperly. But he says that legislators cannot imply before taking depositions that the practice was illegal. "The implication concerns us because the stakes for these Department of Administration employees are high," he said. Barnhill later said he was willing to allow the employees to testify if the threat of criminal prosecution is lifted. Barnhill's supervisor, Attorney General Talis Colberg, was appointed by Palin as she assumed the governor's office in December 2006. Colberg has recused himself in the matter. Barnhill also questions the probe's methodology, disputing the selection of investigators in the probe, tactics, targets, the delegation of authority to the investigator and the probe's timing with regard to the election. A probe into the matter is gearing up just as Palin and McCain have kicked their campaign for the White House into full gear after last week's convention. The investigation is expected to conclude in early October, a few weeks before the November presidential elections but may now be delayed until just before voters go to the polls.
Russ Britt is the Los Angeles bureau chief for MarketWatch.
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Well the last I looked the congress is controlled by Democrat's what proposals have been put forward in the last 2 years?
Did it ever occur to you that with Bush still in office the Democrat control Congress would not get far with any proposal because he will veto anything strictly because of party politics?. They are waiting for someone like Obama to be in the White House that is why. It is very logical.
Have they proposed anything? Obama will not be proposing cutting taxes, he wants more government control of our everyday lives and that means more government jobs and how do you think that's gonna get paid for. Logical?
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