This is topic Sarah Palin for GOP VP? in forum Off-Topic Post, Non Stock Talk at Allstocks.com's Bulletin Board.


To visit this topic, use this URL:
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/14/t/004585.html

Posted by glassman on :
 
Editing of this article by new or unregistered users is currently disabled until September 5, 2008.
See the protection policy and protection log for more details. If you cannot edit this article and you wish to make a change, you can discuss changes on the talk page, request unprotection, log in, or create an account.
This article or section contains information about a forthcoming election.
Content may change dramatically as the election approaches.

Sarah Heath Palin (born February 11, 1964) is the current Governor of Alaska, and a member of the Republican Party. She is the youngest and first female governor of Alaska. Brought to statewide attention because of her whistleblowing on ethical violations by state Republican Party leaders,[1] she won election in 2006 by first defeating the incumbent governor in the Republican primary, then a former Democratic Alaskan governor in the general election.

Palin holds a bachelor's degree in journalism from the University of Idaho where she also minored in politics. She briefly worked as a sports reporter for local Anchorage television stations while also working as a commercial fisherman with her husband, Todd, her high school sweetheart.[3] One summer when she was working on Todd's fishing boat, the boat collided with a tender while she was holding onto the railing; Palin broke several fingers.[3] Outside the fishing season, Todd works for BP at an oil field on the North Slope[9] and is a champion snowmobiler, winning the 2000-mile "Iron Dog" race four times.[3] The two eloped shortly after Palin graduated college; when they learned they needed witnesses for the civil ceremony, they recruited two residents from the old-age home down the street.[3] Todd is a Native Yup'ik Eskimo.[3] The Palin family lives in Wasilla, about 40 miles (64 km) north of Anchorage.[10]

On September 11, 2007, the Palins' son Track joined the Army. Eighteen years old at the time, he is the eldest of Palin's five children.[10] Track now serves in an infantry brigade and will be deployed to Iraq in September. She also has three daughters: Bristol, 17, Willow, 13, and Piper, 7.[11] On April 18, 2008, Palin gave birth to her second son, Trig Paxson Van Palin, who has Down syndrome.[12] She returned to the office three days after giving birth.[13] Palin refused to let the results of prenatal genetic testing change her decision to have the baby. "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection," Palin said. "Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?"[13]

Palin is strongly pro-life and belongs to Feminists for Life.[8] She opposes same-sex marriage, but she has stated that she has gay friends and is receptive to gay and lesbian concerns about discrimination.[8] While the previous administration did not implement same-sex benefits, Palin complied with a state Supreme Court order and signed them into law. [32]

She supported a democratic advisory vote from the public on whether there should be a constitutional amendment on the matter.[33] Alaska was one of the first U.S. states to pass a constitutional ban on gay marriage, in 1998, along with Hawaii.[34]

Palin's first veto was used to block legislation that would have barred the state from granting benefits to gay state employees and their partners. In effect, her veto granted State of Alaska benefits to same-sex couples. The veto occurred after Palin consulted with Alaska's attorney general on the constitutionality of the legislation.[35]

On July 11, 2008, Governor Palin dismissed Walter Monegan as Commissioner of Public Safety and instead offered him a position as executive director of the state Alcoholic Beverage Control Board, which he subsequently turned down.[44][45] Monegan alleged shortly after his dismissal that it may have been partly due to his reluctance to fire an Alaska State Trooper, Mike Wooten, who had been involved in a divorce and child custody battle with Palin's sister, Molly McCann.[46] In 2006, before Palin was governor, Wooten was briefly suspended for ten days for threatening to kill McCann's (and Palin's) father, tasering his 11-year-old stepson, and violating game laws. After a union protest, the suspension was reduced to five days.[47]

see the rest here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin


it might be interesting to dwonload the whole wiki page and then compare it to what it looks like in the lat weeks of September [Wink]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Governor Murkowski appointed Palin Ethics Commissioner of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission[15], where she served from 2003 to 2004 until resigning in protest over what she called the "lack of ethics" of fellow Alaskan Republican leaders, who ignored her whistleblowing complaints of legal violations and conflicts of interest.[3] After she resigned, she exposed the state Republican party's chairman, Randy Ruedrich, one of her fellow Oil & Gas commissioners, who was accused of doing work for the party on public time, and supplying a lobbyist with a sensitive e-mail.[16] Palin filed formal complaints against both Ruedrich and former Alaska Attorney General Gregg Renkes, who both resigned; Ruedrich paid a record $12,000 fine.[3]


hey? you want change? this would be change....
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
This might provide a little traction to your thoughts Glassman.

Minnesota governor told he isn't McCain's VP pick, sources say
Sources: Sen. John McCain not selectingMinnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty
Plane's arrival in Ohio raises speculation about Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin
McCain slated to appear with running mate at rally in Ohio
Tom Ridge, Sen. Joe Lieberman and Mitt Romney are possible picks


(CNN) -- Sen. John McCain's campaign has told Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty he will not be the GOP vice presidential nominee in November, sources told CNN on Friday.

Pawlenty on Friday also told WCCO Radio in Minneapolis-St. Paul that he will not be in Dayton, Ohio, where the presumptive Republican presidential nominee is expected to unveil his choice of a running mate at a rally later Friday.

The McCain campaign said it's hoping to have 15,000 people at the Ohio event, roughly five times the size of his largest crowd to date.

A Republican source said McCain settled on his choice of a running mate at a meeting of his advisers Wednesday.

Thursday night's arrival of a private jet from Alaska at the Middleton, Ohio, airport raised speculation that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin would be McCain's pick. Middleton is 25 miles from Dayton.

Rich Bevis, an airport manager at the Middleton airport, said that a woman, two men and two teenagers were onboard. Watch conservative analyst Bill Bennett mull Palin as a VP pick »

"This is the most secretive flight we've ever had," Bevis said.

In June, Palin told CNN that she thought McCain should choose a governor as his running mate and that she would like to serve on a national level, "but I don't think it's going to happen on this go-round though."Watch Palin say she won't be VP this time »

In an interview with a Pennsylvania radio station that was taped Wednesday and aired Thursday, McCain said he had not settled on a nominee. The Associated Press reported that the interview with KDKA radio had occurred Thursday, which created confusion as to whether McCain had finalized his choice for vice president. Watch who is on McCain's shortlist »

Asked whether either former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge or former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney was his VP pick, McCain replied to KDKA, "I haven't decided yet, so I can't tell you."

Both men are expected to join McCain at a rally Saturday in Pennsylvania.

Ridge, who is also the former secretary of homeland security, is reportedly on McCain's shortlist of possible running mates.

A Republican insider said this month that McCain campaign manager Rick Davis has called several state party chairmen and indicated that Ridge will be the Republican vice presidential pick this cycle.

During his interview with KDKA, McCain praised Ridge, saying, "He's a great American and a great and dear friend, and I rely on him, and I have for many years."

But the possibility that Ridge could be McCain's running mate sparked a backlash among conservatives because he supports abortion rights.

Another potential VP pick, Sen. Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut, also raised concerns among conservatives. Lieberman, an independent senator who was the 2000 Democratic vice presidential nominee, has been a vocal supporter of the war in Iraq, but he, too, backs abortion rights.

If McCain picks either man, it could drive away social conservatives who are already uneasy about his nomination, conservative activists warned.

In an open letter to McCain, conservative activist Richard A. Viguerie wrote, "Your indication that you're willing to put a person who has a clear, unequivocal pro-abortion record within a heartbeat of the presidency is alarming."

"Sen. McCain, you are exceedingly proud of being a political maverick -- you wear it as a badge of honor. Well, poke the base of the Republican Party -- the conservatives -- in the eye one more time by choosing a pro-abortion vice presidential candidate, and conservatives will show you that two can play the maverick game," Viguerie said.

Romney ran against McCain this year for the GOP presidential nomination and was a frequent critic of the senator on the campaign trail.

But Romney endorsed McCain after he captured the Republican nomination and has campaigned for him. He also opposes abortion rights, a position he said he came to in 2004 after studying the stem cell-issue as Massachusetts governor. Before then, Romney was in favor of abortion rights.

CNN's Evan Glass, Alexander Mooney, Dana Bash and John King contributed to this report.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
Good call glass. CNN just confirmed Sarah Palin as GOP VP.
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
Choosing a whistleblower will give him a chance to claim he's going to clean up Washington. My only concern is her relative lack of experience. That's one of shots the Repubs fire at Obama. Kind of a bad choice from that point of view.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i think she's absolutely fascinating.

the "west" is a big battleground...

this choice is about the electoral college, not about popular votes...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
Good call glass. CNN just confirmed Sarah Palin as GOP VP.

i heard her plane landed in Ohio, not tea leaves here [Big Grin]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i think this changes the whole dialog in the campaign....

we won't be hearing much about inexperience anymore.

this campaign may in fact end up to be the most issues oriented campaign ever. the personalities on either ticket tend to balance each other out...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
her husband is a Yup'ik...

Yup'ik (plural Yupiit) comes from the Yup'ik word yuk meaning "person" plus the post-base -pik meaning "real" or "genuine." Thus, it means literally "real people."[4] The ethnographic literature sometimes refers to the Yup'ik people or their language as Yuk or Yuit. In the Hooper Bay-Chevak and Nunivak dialects of Yup'ik, both the language and the people are given the name Cup'ik.[1]

The common ancestors of Eskimos and Aleuts (as well as various Paleo-Siberian groups) are believed by archaeologists to have their origin in eastern Siberia and Asia, arriving in the Bering Sea area about 10,000 years ago.[5] Research on blood types suggests that the ancestors of American Indians reached North America before the ancestors of the Eskimos and Aleuts, and that there were several waves of migration from Siberia to the Americas by way of the Bering land bridge.[6] which became exposed between 20,000 and 8,000 years ago during periods of glaciation. By about 3,000 years ago the progenitors of the Yupiit had settled along the coastal areas of what would become western Alaska, with migrations up the coastal rivers—notably the Yukon and Kuskokwim—around 1400 C.E., eventually reaching as far upriver as Paimiut on the Yukon and Crow Village on the Kuskokwim.[4]



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Alaskan_Yup%27ik


note that eskimo is used all over wikipedia... i thought we were trying NOT to use that term anymore?

There are two main groups referred to as Eskimo: Yupik and Inuit. A third group, the Aleut, is related. The Yupik language dialects and cultures in Alaska and eastern Siberia have evolved in place beginning with the original (pre-Dorset) Eskimo culture that developed in Alaska.
The Eskimo-Aleut family of languages includes two cognate branches. The Aleut (Unangam) branch and the Eskimo branch. The Eskimo sub-family consists of the Inuit language and Yupik language sub-groups.[1] The Sirenikski language is sometimes regarded as a third branch of the Eskimo language family, but other sources regard it as a group belonging to the Yupik branch.[1][2] Sirenikski is virtually extinct.[1][2]

 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i dunno, listening to her speak? she sounds Canadian to me, that's not good eh? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Sarah Palin, thank you Dear Lord for this gift
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
Sarah Palin, thank you Dear Lord for this gift

Please splain?

Her nickname after all is "Barracuda".
 
Posted by R1 Man on :
 
I think they are playing games with the election. You have Clinton and Obama. Never had a black person or woman in office. Obama gets the nod. Clinton supporters are pissed because they want a woman in office. So McCain picks a woman. Hmmmm....sounds like a battle here. Minority vs America, and Male vs Female.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by R1 Man:
I think they are playing games with the election. You have Clinton and Obama. Never had a black person or woman in office. Obama gets the nod. Clinton supporters are pissed because they want a woman in office. So McCain picks a woman. Hmmmm....sounds like a battle here. Minority vs America, and Male vs Female.

does this mean you don't support having a Yup'ik for first vice dude? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
seriously? no matter how you slice it? change is here...

Biden will have to be very careful when he debates with her or she'll spank him with her lifetime NRA mabership card [Big Grin]
 
Posted by R1 Man on :
 
Absolutely....now if Obama would of picked Clinton for VP....what would we have then?

I always vote Democrat.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
uh-oh, this is purported to be her:

 -
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
here's her weapon of choice [Big Grin]

 -
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by R1 Man:
Absolutely....now if Obama would of picked Clinton for VP....what would we have then?

I always vote Democrat.

i would never have voted for any ticket with a clinton...

i am just happy that we have real choices...

and neither candidate will make the problems we face go away... they will make them (a little) different after 4 years...
 
Posted by Highwaychild on :
 
what ever political vulture gets in has got one hell of a sloppy mess to clean up.
 
Posted by R1 Man on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
uh-oh, this is purported to be her:

 -

I'd hit it!! [BadOne] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
She is so hot, and she is a member of the NRA! Her son is in the Army...another plus with me. She likes fishing too!

Photobucket
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
gettin' spanked with a lifetime NRA card might not be too bad....

i'm gonna get into trouble on this i just know it [Big Grin]
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Thank you McCain lets talk about qualifed people for the job now.

You know McCain and women they hve to be good looking he loves a hot arm decoration.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
I wonder what joint she used to be a stripper in on 4th ave in anchorage.

Embers used to be a hot one in my day
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
I wonder what joint she used to be a stripper in on 4th ave in anchorage.

Embers used to be a hot one in my day

comeon, now, that's just as bad as the rumors that Obama is Muslim, maybe worse.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
my post got deleted!
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
don't forget that shinning gem on her resume she was head of the PTA in her local town of 9000 up in AK.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
sorry to hear about your post cash you uausally come up with a real good one that makes me laugh
 
Posted by Relentless. on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
uh-oh, this is purported to be her:

 -

I don't think it will matter.
Judging from her eyes alone, she is quite bright and she knows it.
She will have little trouble with any past photos of herself with or without clothing.
I'm seeing what might actually be a bright side.
Rather shocking considering the day I've had, but none the less.
I don't think she is "connected".
I'm watching a little more closely now.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I dont see why running a small town from the past is a bad thing. Is it really some big issue? Small towns in my experience seem to have much more friendly people, and more values. Every time I go through a big city its all about materialism.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:


You know McCain and women they hve to be good looking he loves a hot arm decoration.

Yep, me too.

Even an old wrinkled up well used copy of dubya will have a good idea given enough time, like the monkey with the typewriter and infinite time to dabble. When dubya gets to be ancient, like McBush, maybe he will have had one too.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Along with just showing more, I've always suspected that strippers showed more brains than beauty contest participants. I'm not so convinced about broadcast majors, though.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Back to Story - Help
6 things the Palin pick says about McCain Jim VandeHei, John F. Harris
2 hours, 59 minutes ago



The selection of a running mate is among the most consequential, most defining decisions a presidential nominee can make. John McCain’s pick of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin says a lot about his decison-making — and some of it is downright breathtaking.

We knew McCain is a politician who relishes improvisation, and likes to go with his gut. But it is remarkable that someone who has repeatedly emphasized experience in this campaign named an inexperienced governor he barely knew to be his No. 2. Whatever you think of the pick, here are six things it tells us about McCain:

1. He’s desperate. Let’s stop pretending this race is as close as national polling suggests. The truth is McCain is essentially tied or trailing in every swing state that matters — and too close for comfort in several states like Indiana and Montana the GOP usually wins pretty easily in presidential races. On top of that, voters seem very inclined to elect Democrats in general this election — and very sick of the Bush years.

McCain could easily lose in an electoral landslide. That is the private view of Democrats and Republicans alike.

McCain’s pick shows he is not pretending. Politicians, even “mavericks” like McCain, play it safe when they think they are winning — or see an easy path to winning. They roll the dice only when they know that the risks of conventionality are greater than the risks of boldness.

The Republican brand is a mess. McCain is reasonably concluding that it won’t work to replicate George W. Bush and Karl Rove’s electoral formula, based around national security and a big advantage among Y chromosomes, from 2004.

“She’s a fresh new face in a party that’s dying for one — the antidote to boring white men,” a campaign official said.

Palin, the logic goes, will prompt voters to give him a second look — especially women who have watched Democrats reject Hillary Rodham Clinton for Barack Obama.

The risks of a backlash from choosing someone so unknown and so untested are obvious. In one swift stroke, McCain demolished what had been one of his main arguments against Obama.

“I think we’re going to have to examine our tag line, ‘dangerously inexperienced,’” a top McCain official said wryly.

2. He’s willing to gamble — bigtime. Let’s face it: This is not the pick of a self-confident candidate. It is the political equivalent of a trick play or, as some Democrats called it, a Hail Mary pass in football. McCain talks incessantly about experience, and then goes and selects a woman he hardly knows, who hardly knows foreign policy and who can hardly be seen as instantly ready for the presidency.

He is smart enough to know it could work, at least politically. Many Republicans see this pick as a brilliant stroke because it will be difficult for Democrats to run hard against a woman in the wake of the Hillary Clinton drama. Will this push those disgruntled Hillary voters McCain’s way? Perhaps. But this is hardly aimed at them: It is directed at the huge bloc of independent women — especially those who do not see abortion as a make-or-break issue — who could decide this election.

McCain has a history of taking dares. Palin represents his biggest one yet.

3. He’s worried about the political implications of his age. Like a driver overcorrecting out of a swerve, he chooses someone who is two years younger than the youthful Obama, and 28 years younger than he is. (He turned 72 Friday.) The father-daughter comparison was inevitable when they appeared next to each other.

4. He’s not worried about the actuarial implications of the age issue. He thinks he’s in fine fettle, and Palin wouldn’t be performing the only constitutional duty of a vice president, which is standing by in case a president dies or becomes incapacitated. If he was really concerned about an inexperienced person sitting in the Oval Office we would be writing about vice presidential nominee Mitt Romney or Tom Ridge or Condoleezza Rice.

There is no plausible way that McCain could say that he picked Palin, who was only elected governor in 2006 and whose most extended public service was as mayor of Wasilla, Alaska (population 8,471), because she was ready to be president on Day One.

Nor can McCain argue that he was looking for someone he could trust as a close adviser. Most people know the staff at the local Starbucks better than McCain knows Palin. They met for the first time last February at a National Governors Association meeting in Washington. Then, they spoke again — by phone — on Sunday while she was at the Alaska state fair and he was at home in Arizona.

McCain has made a mockery out of his campaign's longtime contention that Barack Obama is too dangerously inexperienced to be commander in chief. Now, the Democratic ticket boasts 40 years of national experience (four years for Obama and 36 years for Joseph Biden of Delaware), while the Republican ticket has 26 (McCain’s four yeasr in the House and 22 in the Senate.)

The McCain campaign has made a calculation that most voters don’t really care about the national experience or credentials of a vice president, and that Palin’s ebullient personality and reputation as a refomer who took on cesspool politics in Alaska matters more.

5. He’s worried about his conservative base. If he had room to maneuver, there were lots of people McCain could have selected who would have represented a break from Washington politics as usual. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman comes to mind (and it certainly came to McCain’s throughout the process). He had no such room. GOP stalwarts were furious over trial balloons about the possibility of choosing a supporter of abortion rights, including the possibility that he would reach out to his friend.

Palin is an ardent opponent of abortion who was previously scheduled to keynote the Republican National Coalition for Life's "Life of the Party" event in the Twin Cities this week.

“She’s really a perfect selection,” said Darla St. Martin, the Co-Director of the National Right to Life Committee. It is no secret McCain wanted to shake things up in this race — and he realized he was limited to a shake-up conservatives could stomach.

6. At the end of the day, McCain is still McCain. People may find him a refreshing maverick, or an erratic egotist. In either event, he marches to his own beat.

On the upside, his team did manage to play to the media’s love of drama, fanning speculation about his possible choices and maximizing coverage of the decision.

On the potential downside, the drama was evidently entirely genuine. The fact that McCain only spoke with Palin about the vice presidency for the first time on Sunday, and that he was seriously considering Lieberman until days ago, suggests just how hectic and improvisational his process was.

In the end, this selection gives him a chance to reclaim the mantle of a different kind of politician intent on changing Washington. He once had a legitimate claim to this: after all, he took on his own party over campaign finance reform and immigration. He jeopardized this claim in recent months by embracing ideas he once opposed (Bush tax cuts) and ideas that appeared politically motivated (gas tax holiday).

Spontaneity, with a touch of impulsiveness, is one of the traits that attract some of McCain’s admirers. Whether it’s a good calling card for a potential president will depend on the reaction in coming days to what looks for the moment like the most daring vice presidential selection in generations.

Mike Allen contributed to this report.


Copyright © 2008 Capitol News Company, LLC.


Copyright © 2008 Yahoo! Inc. All rights reserved.
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
Some general info on Gov. Palin.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.bio/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

The more I read on her, the more I like the choice.

McCain\Palin '08!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SeekingFreedom:
Some general info on Gov. Palin.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/29/palin.bio/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

The more I read on her, the more I like the choice.

McCain\Palin '08!

i think she's a good choice (so far) on the face value, i liked Mccain for '00 and i hate like heck to be a knuckle dragging biggot, but i don't think being president is the job for somebody his age. His Mom might be sharp and spry in her 90's but let's face it, John's been rode hard and put away wet.
this job is 24/7/365 X 4...

my biggest political concern is his "adoption" of the neo-cons into his campaign... without them? i like him... with them? i don't trust him to change the foreign policies that Bush has mishandled to such an extreme...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
McCain is 82 years old.

A vote for him is a vote for another president that is a young inexperienced fanatic far right-wing ex cheer leader, who claims * global warming is a hoax.

* and believes....put that in your education pipe and smoke it.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
All I hope is that in 6 more months she is not our president
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Close Window
Analysis: Palin could complicate energy debate
Saturday, August 30, 2008
WASHINGTON - If Democrats hoped to portray John McCain as captive to the oil industry, their task became more complicated with his selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a running mate.

She is an ardent advocate for more drilling - off Alaska, off the Atlantic and Pacific coasts and in the off-limits Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. Yet she also has not shied away from confronting Exxon Mobil, BP and ConocoPhillips.

As the presidential campaign moves into high gear, McCain and Democratic nominee Barack Obama will duel over two overriding energy issues: whether to expand offshore oil drilling into areas long off-limits and whether to impose new taxes on oil companies enjoying tens of billions of dollars in windfall profits.

Palin is a popular governor in a state that for decades has been closely tied to oil. She may be a political novice, but she is hardly a newcomer when it comes to these two issues. Her emergence as McCain's No. 2 and possibly the next vice president could shift the campaign's energy debate.

When it comes to the oil industry is Palin friend or foe?

The answer may not be black or white but shades of gray.

"No one is closer to the oil industry than Governor Palin," said Carl Pope, executive director of the Sierra Club in comments reflecting the views of a cross section of environmental activists. They cite her eagerness to embrace expanded offshore oil development, her lawsuit against further protection of polar bears so as not to hinder oil drilling in Alaska's ice-filled waters and her ardent support to allow oil companies into the Alaska wildlife refuge.

Drilling in the refuge's sliver of coastal tundra in northeastern Alaska - an area viewed by environmentalists as a treasured wild place that also harbors 11 billion barrels of oil - was believed to have been a dead issue. McCain opposes drilling there, as does Obama.

But that too might be changing.

The selection of Palin places the refuge's "energy production front and center in the policy debate once again," maintains Brian Kennedy, senior vice president of the Institute for Energy Research. The group has pushed for increased domestic oil production and has some oil companies among its sponsors.

While McCain has said he has not changed his mind about drilling there, he also has said that he is willing to re-examine the issue.

When it comes to taxing oil companies, Palin's selection might well be a doubled-edged knife for the McCain campaign.

Shortly after becoming governor in 2006, she pushed new oil taxes through the Alaska Legislature, saying the taxes proposed by her predecessor, Frank Murkowski, were too favorable to the oil companies. She was bucking Exxon Mobil, BP PLC and ConocoPhillips, which strongly opposed the legislation.

The new tax brought in an estimated $6 billion in the last budget year, bulging Alaska's treasury with an expected surplus of as much as $9 billion. Thst enabled Palin to push a second initiative - giving each Alaskan $1,200 to help them cope with high energy costs.

Sound familiar?

Obama has proposed taxing the windfall profits of the five biggest oil companies and giving people $1,000 to pay for high energy costs. Palin called such financial help "a tool that must be on the table" although she differs with Obama on the money's source.

Like McCain, Palin says a national windfall profits tax on oil companies will hinder domestic energy production. Democrats are expected to be quick to ask: If it's good for Alaska, why isn't it good for the country?

But Palin has bucked oil companies in other ways. She pushed for more competition for the construction of a $26 billion pipeline to bring natural gas from the North Slope to the lower 48 states by favoring the TransCanada pipeline project, backed by independent companies over one proposed by BP and ConocoPhillips. She has tangled with Exxon Mobil and other oil companies over their reluctance to develop gas fields on state land.

Republicans hope that will neutralize claims that the McCain ticket is too cozy with the oil industry and shift more of the energy debate away from oil taxes to the need for expanded offshore drilling and generally more domestic energy production - issues on which Palin has been outspoken.

Don't expect the Obama campaign, not to mention many of the environmental activists, to cooperate.

"Big Oil extended its reach into the campaign of John McCain," said Margie Alt, executive director of Environment America, a federation of state-based environmental groups, after Palin's selection became known.

Mark Hellenthal, a Republican pollster in Alaska sees it differently. In the state "she's viewed ... as almost anti-oil. She's probably pro-oil from a national perspective, but she's not in the pocket of Big Oil. She's fought them at every step."

---

On the Net:

Governor's office: http://gov.state.ak.us/

---
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
An interesting choice for McCain. Now the inexperienced issue will be debated as do you want an inexperienced President or Vice President.

On the job training is a wonderful thing.
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
Salin Palin was picked for one reason and one reason only....

To get America to drill for oil in Alaska!!!!!

Watch this youtube video before she was picked and it was just a "Well-Known" rumor!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3jnbiHAMuY
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
The choice is brilliant IMO.

Head over heels better than Hillary.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
sheeesh that guy is almost as annoying as limbugger...

not one of his points is verifiable...
when does he get to Palin? i an't gonna listen to him for ten minute to find it...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
here's her attitude on the Supreme Court Exxon decision:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H-26MOxH34&feature=related
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
sheeesh that guy is almost as annoying as limbugger...

not one of his points is verifiable...
when does he get to Palin? i an't gonna listen to him for ten minute to find it...

Lol...I feel your pain.... [Big Grin]

I don't want you to suffer so I'll help you out a little...she comes on at 4:20
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
Here is Sarah Palin's first speech with Mcain after Mcain anounced his number #2 pick.

America: Meet Sarah Palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg0darQB7r4
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I dont see why running a small town from the past is a bad thing. Is it really some big issue? Small towns in my experience seem to have much more friendly people, and more values. Every time I go through a big city its all about materialism.

It's that running a nation is a whole lot different then running a small town with a population of 6,700.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
McCain is 82 years old.

A vote for him is a vote for another president that is a young inexperienced fanatic far right-wing ex cheer leader, who claims * global warming is a hoax.

* and believes....put that in your education pipe and smoke it.

He's 72 no? ... If so you better cut down on smoking the "good stuff" Bgeesus lol
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
An interesting choice for McCain. Now the inexperienced issue will be debated as do you want an inexperienced President or Vice President.

On the job training is a wonderful thing.

I think he stepped on his own foot with his choice... and I'm not saying that because I hate the GOP...I can be fair when it comes to VP choices and such...

First of all he picked a woman... so let's face it the GOP is a Good Ole boys club... they are not so much into a woman being in power and neither are the male GOP voters of this country... that is one of the problems they had with Hillary running regardless of disagreeing with her views... it's a macho society in America...

Second she has alot of enemies in the GOP because she's made a career of running against GOPers and outseating them...

Third she's no favorite of the oil industry... She is tough with negotiations with the big Oil companies, has raised their taxes, currently is trying to revoke Exxon's license to develop some area in Alaska, contracted with a Canadian company in building or servicing a pipeline etc...

Fourth is that it is a whole lot different in running a nation versus running a small town of 6,700 & Alaska... Some might not like that GOP or not... etc.. etc..

That is just some of the hurdles I think McCain will face with his pick...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Sorry, Mach, you have it right....I just can't type. But, otherwise, it stands.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
the GOP is a Good Ole boys club

sure, and that's why Rice is Sec State...

male GOP voters of this country... that is one of the problems they had with Hillary running regardless

LOL.. get a grip
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the GOP is a Good Ole boys club

sure, and that's why Rice is Sec State...

I am sure that the GOP were not too happy with her being picked for that position Glass... be honest about that...

quote:
male GOP voters of this country... that is one of the problems they had with Hillary running regardless

LOL.. get a grip

Oh, so your telling me that Hillary being a woman had nothing to do with it? That male chauvinists of this country did not care whether she was a woman or not? I am not saying that is the only reason for being against Hill but that is certainly one of the reasons... If it wasn't so a woman would of been elected a long time ago in this country... this country with the exception of Kennedy being President is still a WASP nation and this election whether the Dems or GOP win will be historic in that regards because either a Black American will be President or a woman will be VP... now we just have to ask ourselves that we are the most of... are we still racists at heart or chauvinist at heart... face it some guys have a problem with a woman running things or a black man being President... these are not the only things to be or for against someone but it is in there whether we like to admit it or not...
 
Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
No Mach...most male voters in this country wouldn't vote for Hillary...not because she was a woman, but because she is a lying, self serving, power hungry elitist...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
No Mach...most male voters in this country wouldn't vote for Hillary...not because she was a woman, but because she is a lying, self serving, power hungry elitist...

Ah, like most politicians including your heroes... again go back to retirement... you made your daily contribution... if you do not see this country's history when it comes to men vs women being given positions of power regardless of views then your better off retiring from everything in life including forums... yes women nowadays are getting closer to an equal playing field but still faraway... only 3 women have run for Prez and VP that I can remember and for a reason... it's a boys club... whether you like to admit it or not... don't get me wrong i'm all for a woman being voted in to very high positions but then again that is because i'm a Lib and more open minded... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by R1 Man on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
She is so hot, and she is a member of the NRA! Her son is in the Army...another plus with me. She likes fishing too!

Photobucket

McCain must be a Bill Clinton fan. Why have a fat Monica when you can have a smoking hot VP.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
yes women nowadays are getting closer to an equal playing field but still faraway... only 3 women have run for Prez and VP that I can remember and for a reason... it's a boys club...

that's an age thing Mach. much like racism. did you forget that my wife is a doctor? and no, she was not when we got married.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Yah, she has the whole hot librarian or corporate exec fantasy thing going on where she pulls her hair down and glasses off while ripping her shirt off lol... but those pics are old because she's aged a little...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
yes women nowadays are getting closer to an equal playing field but still faraway... only 3 women have run for Prez and VP that I can remember and for a reason... it's a boys club...

that's an age thing Mach. much like racism. did you forget that my wife is a doctor? and no, she was not when we got married.

So your telling me women in general are treated equally in this country in the past and now?. That men in general do not have a problem with a woman in charge?

I'll be honest that in my workplaces I have had problems with women bosses not because i hate women or them in power but because they have something to prove because they are women... they have to be twice as good as man to be considered just as good as a man so they tend to be b*tchy in management positions... that is just my experience...

Other guys just dont want a woman in position of power... they think it's a man's job etc.. much like the show Mad Men... that is a perfect example of how it was and how some men still think that way... but like i said that is slowly changing for the good... but in the GOP imo more then the Dem party the men in general still think that way...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
So your telling me women in general are treated equally in this country in the past and now?. That men in general do not have a problem with a woman in charge?

the show Mad Men is very much on target for it's age Mach, however, there is an age cut-off for people born about 1955 where that changes dramatically. I've pointed out the stats here plenty of times that women still get paid about 75% of what men get paid for the same jobs. My wife is in a field that is still very much dominated by men, but the way to break that mold is not to stand up and shout about being treated unfairly, the key is to be better than anybody else regardless. Hillary's resume is not even about HER, it's about her HUSBAND, which is a disservice to women if you voted for her based on that.
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Quote Glassman:

"did you forget that my wife is a doctor?"

_________________________________________________


I meant to ask you this before, do we get free online consultations if we say we know you? [Smile]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
Quote Glassman:

"did you forget that my wife is a doctor?"

_________________________________________________


I meant to ask you this before, do we get free online consultations if we say we know you? [Smile]

only if you are an arthropod in need of gene therapy [Big Grin]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
here's a great article on how the glass (did somebody say GLASS ! ) ceiling is really being broken...

In 2006, according to the Census Bureau, about 27 million American men held a college degree; so did about 27 million American women. This is a tipping point, however, not an equilibrium, because male college graduates tend to be old, and female graduates tend to be young. Among people age 65 and older, men are much more likely than women to be college-educated. Middle-aged men and women are at parity. Among young adults ages 25 to 34 years old, the college gap favors women almost as lopsidedly as it favors men among their grandparents' generation.



http://www.reason.com/news/show/124402.html


fast social change is called revolution, slow social change is called progress [Wink]

in ten-twenty years? men will be able to file discrimination suits just like women have, and be called whiners.. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Quote:

"only if you are an arthropod in need of gene therapy"

_________________________________________________


It seems like i have tried everything else here lately sounds good to me.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IWISHIHAD:
Quote:

"only if you are an arthropod in need of gene therapy"

_________________________________________________


It seems like i have tried everything else here lately sounds good to me.

LOL. are your antennae bothering you? [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Quote:

LOL. are your antennae bothering you?

_________________________________________________


It bothers me from my toes to my antenna but it the part just below the middle that's causing it all, does that fall into that gene part?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i watched the Thomas Edison story on TCM this morning... it was very interesting how Edison was portrayed as the "outsider" in terms of big business (the nat gas barrons)...

reminded me of the oil crisis today...
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
Kinda got off track here.

Sometimes it gets frustrating when you see these doctors and if your problem does not fit into the standard moled they seem to be lost. You know the one where you take a pill and everything is better. Sure wish it worked that way.

Back to the discussion.

I have always liked working for women.

It seems like they have to take so much junk from men that do not like working for women that if you are nice to them and respect them they seem to appreciate it even more.

This does not mean you never have disageements.

I am sure there are exceptions to the rule, but i have been vey lucky not to have found them over my working years.

I don't see why men have a problem taking orders from a woman most of our mothers and wives use to and still do give them quite often. [Smile]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
I don't see why men have a problem taking orders from a woman most of our mothers and wives use to and still do give them quite often.

isn't that why men would go to work? to hide from their real boss [Big Grin]

seriously? if women weren't already in charge? we wouldn't even have indoor plumbing. [Wink]
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by R1 Man:
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
She is so hot, and she is a member of the NRA! Her son is in the Army...another plus with me. She likes fishing too!

Photobucket

McCain must be a Bill Clinton fan. Why have a fat Monica when you can have a smoking hot VP.
LoL...I was trying to think of a joke like that, but you beat me to the punch.

anyways....she is pretty hot....she looks like one of those innocent school teachers, that turn into wild and crazy STRIPPERS at night for extra cash. Like the teacher in the movie "Varsity Blues" [Were Up]
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
are those things fake or real?
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
fake..glasses!..She wears those cuz she thinks it makes her look smarter.a vain attempt to fool the masses...and thats a politician [Smile]
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Bimbo
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Palin says 17-year-old daughter is pregnant

To Email Address:

Enter email addresses, separated by commas.
Your Name:
Your Email Address:
Send me a copy of this message
Message:


Monday, September 1, 2008
ST. PAUL, Minn. - John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin said Monday that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant, an announcement campaign aides said was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin's youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter's.

A statement released by the campaign said that Bristol Palin will keep her baby and marry the child's father. Bristol Palin's baby is due in late December.

"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents," Sarah and Todd Palin said in the brief statement.

The disclosure of the pregnancy came on the opening day of the Republican National Convention, scaled back because of Hurricane Gustav, and three days after McCain named Palin as his running mate. The other news was likely to overshadow the disclosure.

The first-term Alaska governor was in Minnesota preparing for her acceptance speech when the campaign issued the statement; her family was home in Alaska.

"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," they added.

The father was identified in the statement as Levi, but the campaign said it was not disclosing his full name or age or how he and Bristol know each other, citing privacy.

Sarah Palin's fifth child, a son named Trig, was born in April with Down syndrome. Internet ****gers have been suggesting that the child was actually born to Bristol Palin but that her mother, the 44-year-old Alaska governor, claimed to be the mother.

Palin spokesman Bill McAllister emphatically denied those rumors, and McCain adviser Mark Salter said the campaign announced the daughter's pregnancy to rebut them.

"Senator McCain's view is this is a private family matter. As parents, (the Palins) love their daughter unconditionally and are going to support their daughter," said McCain spokesman Steve Schmidt.

"Life happens," he said.

"An American family," added Salter.

The advisers said Palin told them about the pregnancy during lengthy discussions about her background. At several points during the discussions, McCain's team warned Palin that the scrutiny into her private life would be intense and that there was nothing she could do to prepare for it.

Advisers said Palin's daughter should be afforded privacy like the other candidates' children. Said Schmidt: "If people try to politicize this, the American people will be appalled."

In Monroe, Mich., Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama condemned rumors involving the children of candidates and echoed the McCain campaign argument. Said Obama: "I think people's families are off limits, and people's children are especially off limits."

Obama adamantly denied anonymous claims that his campaign helped spread the rumors.

"I am offended by that statement," Obama said. "Our people were not involved in any way in this, and they will not be. And if I ever thought that there was somebody in my campaign that was involved in something like that, they'd be fired."

Prominent religious conservatives, many of whom have been lukewarm toward McCain's candidacy, predicted that Palin's daughter's pregnancy would not diminish conservative Christian enthusiasm for the vice presidential hopeful, a staunch abortion opponent.

Focus on the Family founder James Dobson issued a statement commending the Palins for "for not just talking about their pro-life and pro-family values, but living them out even in the midst of trying circumstances." He added: "Being a Christian does not mean you're perfect. Nor does it mean your children are perfect. But it does mean there is forgiveness and restoration when we confess our imperfections to the Lord."

Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition of America called the pregnancy private. "It's a matter that should stay in the family and they have to work through it together. My prayers go out to them."

Added Combs: "We're excited about the governor and think she's going to do well."

Mathew Staver, dean of Liberty University School of Law, said: "We're all sinners."

"We all make mistakes. Certainly, the ideal is not to get pregnant out of wedlock. But she made the right decision after her mistake," he said.

----

Associated Press Writers Eric Gorski in St. Paul, Charles Babington in Monroe, Mich., and Steve Quinn in Anchorage, Alaska, contributed to this report.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Bimbo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
"Like Sands through an hourglass, these are the days of our lives" [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
I wonder if McCain is the father?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
I wonder if McCain is the father?

comeon, this isn't nearly as bad as Cheney's daughter...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
Salin Palin was picked for one reason and one reason only....

To get America to drill for oil in Alaska!!!!!

Watch this youtube video before she was picked and it was just a "Well-Known" rumor!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3jnbiHAMuY

Two reasons really... the other one being to take away Hillary's supporters from Obama.. and as for oil drilling.. I don't know about that.. she has alot of enemies in the oil industry due to tough negotiations and other reasons like trying to take Exxon's license away from developing a site for taking too long...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:


the show Mad Men is very much on target for it's age Mach, however, there is an age cut-off for people born about 1955 where that changes dramatically. I've pointed out the stats here plenty of times that women still get paid about 75% of what men get paid for the same jobs. My wife is in a field that is still very much dominated by men, but the way to break that mold is not to stand up and shout about being treated unfairly, the key is to be better than anybody else regardless. Hillary's resume is not even about HER, it's about her HUSBAND, which is a disservice to women if you voted for her based on that.

Your missing the point Glass... I am not even protesting that women are getting more equal by the day in pay and other things.. I know they are... my point is that women aren't as equal in the GOP as in the Dems so McCains VP can hurt his campaign then help it... like i said the GOP has always been the Good Ole Boys club... most of their women politicians were at local, state and as far as national level only Congress... The Dems considered two women for the highest office.. one for VP the other for Prez and the Speaker of the House is also a woman... Now consider the Dems record with women over the GOP's.. that is my point.. is how the GOP nationally will react to his pick?... the Market went down alot when he announced his pick... it's debatable whether that was the cause but I think it's at least part of the reason for the Market going down as well as Dell's losses... the GOP will have to support McCains pick because they will have no choice now but don't think that GOP voters that are male accept his pick... if they vote their ticket is because they vote their party line only...
 
Posted by SeekingFreedom on :
 
if they vote their ticket is because they vote their party line only...

ROFL, I can only hope that McCain\Palin do win to make a point clear to you Mach, and to a lesser degree Bond.

Palin has more 'real life' experience(meaning outside of politics) than either of the candidates or Biden. THAT is what is attracting GOP voters to her, Mach. It's the fact that she might actually be able to relate to the 'common' man or woman in a way that the hard core, lifetime politicians like McCain and Biden never can.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
The only reason McCain and Palin would win would be because racism is still very well entrenched it our society.

I am a firm believer in the Bradley affect.

Thats the only reason the dems could loose at this point.

The 82 day factor could loose the complete show for the Republicans.

The 82 day factor was Roosevelt dying in office the first 82 days into his last term and Truman taking over at a very scary time in America's history. Ever since this is called the 82 day factor.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
SF: You are too funny. Tell me that you don't believe that the conservatives would have made a huge issue out of either person on the Dem ticket if they had a daughter that was pregnant out of wedlock?

Their embracing of Palin is bogus.

As far as "real life" experience(outside of politics), wasn't it a few weeks ago that the GOP was stressing Obama's inexperience as a reason not to elect him?

At this point in time I am neither a McCain or Obama supporter. I have many reservations about both but I am tired of rhetoric that is used to advance one party over the other.

The reasons that Palin was picked are because: The Experience card was over played and if Obama or Biden attempt to use it, it flies in their face. Second, her stance on Abortion brings in the far right. Third, they might appeal to Hillary voters that feel slighted. They tie Biden's hands as far as being an attack dog.

This was not about the best choice for the job as it was about political advantage. Can you really tell me that you would feel good about Palin being President?

Personally, I not happy with the thought of Biden being President either. I mean the people have rejected him a few times in his run for office and IMO, his views would not come close to what the majority of this country believes.

When electing a President, it should never be on one issue, whether the issue be Abortion or Global warming. Both issues, IMO, are way down the line.

The economy and our failed war policy are much more important, at this point I don't agree with either candidate on how they would handle those questions.

In "real Life" if any of us handled our budgets as the politico's do we would be bankrupt and homeless. You can't keep spending money you don't have and in addition spend money you do have like there is no tommorrow.

Anyone with common sense and "real life" experience knows that you need to save for rainy days and not mortgage the future on the IF COME. Policy upto this point is as reckless as putting all your money into a Pink Sheet Stock and holding for the long term.

Both parties are wrong for pandering to voters and voters need to look beyond one issue to determine what is best for the country. The problem is that politicians use their own safe harbor statements when promising what they will do. They will say anything to get elected and then do what they want once elected.

I believe that we are in for one of the sleaziest and most devisive campaigns we have seen. The difference is that both campaigns will let 3rd parties do it just like the penny scams we see everyday. They will claim innocence but do nothing to stop it.
 
Posted by cottonjim on :
 
hmmmm.

 -
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Close Window
McCain camp: Questions on Palin's party a 'smear'
Tuesday, September 2, 2008
ST. PAUL, Minn. - John McCain's campaign said Tuesday that rival Barack Obama's campaign was spreading "smears" about Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's past political affiliations. Yet, some of Palin's previous political activities are a matter of dispute.

At issue are claims by members of the Alaskan Independence Party that Palin was once associated with it. The party, some of whose members have advocated secession from the United States, wants to place all federal lands in Alaska under state control.

The McCain campaign released voter registration documents Tuesday dating to 1990 in which Palin lists herself as a Republican. Campaign spokesman Brian Rogers said Palin has been a registered Republican since 1982, and has never been a member of the Alaskan Independence Party.

Palin addressed the Independence Party's state convention by video earlier this year, welcoming the party to Fairbanks. She gave no indication of a current or past connection to the party.

"Your party plays an important role in our state's politics," she said in the video, which is posted on the party's Web site. "I've always said that competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well."

Lynette Clark, the chairman of the AIP, told ABC News that Palin and her husband, Todd, belonged to the party in 1994. Mark Chryson, chairman of the Independence Party from 1995 to 2002, told the network that Palin attended the party's convention in 1994. He said he was not certain if she was a party member, and party records do not date back that far.

Obama advisers and surrogates have also linked Palin to conservative former presidential candidate Pat Buchanan. An Associated Press story from Alaska, dated July 17, 1999, states that Palin, then the mayor of the small town of Wasilla, was wearing a Buchanan button during a Buchanan visit to Alaska.

The Miami Herald this week quoted an e-mail from Obama Florida spokesman Mark Bubriski that stated: "Palin was a supporter of Pat Buchanan, a right-winger or as many Jews call him: a Nazi sympathizer."

The McCain campaign says Palin supported Steve Forbes' campaign in 1999.

"Supporters of Barack Obama are engaged in an unfortunate and nasty smear campaign," said Rogers, the McCain spokesman.

While Obama advisers and surrogates have drawn attention to Palin's political associations, the campaign has strictly avoided any comment on issues related to Palin's family, specifically anything focused on her 17-year-old daughter's out-of wedlock pregnancy.

"I think people's families are off limits and people's children are especially off limits," Obama said Monday.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
did you "shop" that picture yourself CJ? nice work [Big Grin] i can barely tell the hair is pasted in.... that chin shadow is a dead give-away tho..
 
Posted by cottonjim on :
 
I found the same picture on several different web sites glass, it may very well be a fake but either way....... I wouldn't kick her outta bed for eating crackers [Big Grin]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
you know what? i've been reading about her job qualifications and i have to say, i'm impressed at how well she handled her last pregnancy...

Governors meet near Dallas for energy conference
Created: April 17, 2008 09:33 PM

GRAPEVINE, Texas (AP) -- Texas Governor Rick Perry and six other Republican governors are meeting to discuss energy policy, the economy and the presidential race.

Governors of Alaska, Georgia, Hawaii, Louisiana, Missouri and Nevada are expected to attend the Texas Governors Forum hosted by Perry on Thursday, said Chris Schrimpf, a spokesman for the Republican Governors Association.


http://www.ktbs.com/news/Governors-meet-near-Dallas-for-energy-conference-11093/


apparently she gave birth at 6:30 Am the next day.... in Alaska....

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/380134.html
 
Posted by cottonjim on :
 
Impressive, my wife could barely keep the kids from popping out on a twenty minute car ride to the hospital.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cottonjim:
I found the same picture on several different web sites glass, it may very well be a fake but either way....... I wouldn't kick her outta bed for eating crackers :D

More room on the floor....
 
Posted by cottonjim on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by cottonjim:
I found the same picture on several different web sites glass, it may very well be a fake but either way....... I wouldn't kick her outta bed for eating crackers [Big Grin]

More room on the floor....
Not my floor, the rotating heart shaped water bed takes up most of the room. There is just enough left for the swing and mirrors [Big Grin]
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
John Kerry: Rush Limbaugh Forced Palin Pick

Monday, September 1, 2008 5:21 PM

By: Phil Brennan Article Font Size



According to Massachusetts Democratic Sen. John Kerry, John McCain didn't choose Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin because she knows more about energy than just about anybody else in politics.


John McCain didn't choose Sarah Palin because she is a hard-nosed, take-no-prisoners refomer. He didn't choose Sarah Palin because she is a skilled debater and campaigner.

According to Kerry, Rush Limbaugh made him do it.


NewsBusters reported that Kerry told ABC's George Stephanopoulos on Sunday's "This Week" that "John McCain wanted to choose Tom Ridge. He wanted to choose Joe Lieberman. He wanted to choose another candidate, but you know what? Rush Limbaugh and the right-wing vetoed it. And John McCain was forced to come back and pick a sort of Cheney-esque social conservative who's going to satisfy the base. What John McCain has proven with this choice is that John McCain is a prisoner of the right-wing, not a maverick."


Asked by Stephanopoulos if when he said that McCain is erratic he meant it was because he chose Gov. Palin Kerry said "Absolutely. Because what has happened is that John McCain . . . You know, we've been warning against the third term of George Bush.


"With the choice of Governor Palin, it is now the third term of Bush-Cheney. Because what he's done is chosen somebody who actually doesn't believe that climate change is man-made. He's chosen somebody who has zero, zero experience in foreign policy. The first threshold test of a president, of a nominee, in choosing a vice-president, is to prove to the American people that the person that you've chosen can fill in tomorrow.


"That they come with the requisite experience to lead the nation in foreign policy and in national security. You know, she may be, I mean I'm sure she's a terrific person. I'm not attacking her. I think John McCain's judgment is once again put at issue because he's chosen somebody who clearly does not meet the national security threshold. Who is not ready to be president tomorrow."


© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
This was not about the best choice for the job as it was about political advantage. Can you really tell me that you would feel good about Palin being President?
YES! In fact, I'd rather have her be president than McCain or Obama. I'm sick of the career Washington politicians running the country. A newcomer could certainly do better than these career politicians.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Obamma isn't a career politician..
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
[Wink]
Gay Republicans Endorse McCain

The endorsement may boost McCain's reputation as a maverick who reaches across partisan lines, but it may not go down well with his party's conservative Christian base.
Tuesday, September 2, 2008

Campaign 2008: Get the latest news, video, and polls!

ST. PAUL (Reuters) - The Log Cabin Republicans endorsed Arizona Sen. John McCain's bid for the presidency on Tuesday, four years after the gay Republican group refused to back President George W. Bush's bid for reelection.

The endorsement may boost McCain's reputation as a maverick who reaches across partisan lines, but it may not go down well with his party's conservative Christian base.

"Sen. McCain is no George Bush when it comes to gay issues. We are much more optimistic and enthusiastic about Sen. McCain," Patrick Sammon, the group's president, told Reuters.


http://www.wcoh.com/cc-common/news/sections/newsarticle.html?feed=104668&article =4181243
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
This was not about the best choice for the job as it was about political advantage. Can you really tell me that you would feel good about Palin being President?
YES! In fact, I'd rather have her be president than McCain or Obama. I'm sick of the career Washington politicians running the country. A newcomer could certainly do better than these career politicians.
Didn't we do that in 2000 with King George?


Personally, I KNOW that ANY career politician would have done a better job.

Hell, Bozo the Clown or Joe Blow from Kokomo would have.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i thought he is bozo:

 -
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
No, Bozo is funny. Dubya is scary.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
OK, digging a little deeper:

Palin wants to teach creationism in schools, and opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest.

McCain doesn't really beleive that this will bring him votes does it?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Sarah Palin quote:

"only difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull is lipstick."

uh? what?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
"Backs abstinence-only strategy for control of teen pregnancy":

yeah, that works. [BadOne]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
"Doubts climate change is man-made"...

that makes sense, it's right there with creationism....
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
"McCain doesn't really beleive that this will bring him votes does it?"


Yep, he wants those evangelical votes. Thinks if they fall in line, then he will have dubya's votes in november as well as dubya's platform.
 
Posted by *Mag* on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
"Doubts climate change is man-made"...

that makes sense, it's right there with creationism....

Strange though; "On September 14, 2007, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin signed Administrative Order 238, establishing the Climate Change Sub-Cabinet.

I do like that "The Administrative Order also directs the group to consult with the president of the University of Alaska and explore ways to promote development of renewable energy sources such as geothermal, wind, hydroelectric, and tidal resources."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/29/sarah-palin-on-the-enviro_n_122382.html
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
well, maybe she has been misquoted,

"My hope is the Climate Change Strategy will be a living document reflecting the best knowledge on the effects of climate change in Alaska. It will be of great use to Alaskans by conveying state plans for adaptation to warming as well as presenting realistic approaches to mitigating the root causes of climate change."
Larry Hartig, Chair, Executive Sub-Cabinet on Climate Change


i pulled that "bio-stuff" above from here...

http://www.mlive.com/grpress/news/index.ssf/2008/09/local_republicans_support_sa ra.html
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Some of you guys should give her a chance. I am going to watch her speak tomorrow night. Maybe we will see the "barracuda" in her come out.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i just can't get the picture of a pitbull with lipstick on outa my head right now CCM [Big Grin]

i'll watch too... watched tonight, and it was boring....
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I think Lieberman was trying to make a point and then he just started rambling on and on and just started pulling sh%% out of his A%%


Doesnt look like too many people were there compared to what Denver had for a turnout.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Close Window
Palin prepares to introduce herself to the nation
Wednesday, September 3, 2008
ST. PAUL, Minn. - Buffeted by revelations both political and personal, Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin prepared Wednesday to speak to GOP delegates and other Americans wanting to know more about the person John McCain picked for his running mate.

Palin's experience - she has been mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska, and has served as the state's governor for less than two years - and her commitment to resisting politics-as-usual government have been questioned since McCain chose her last week. The process that led to her selection has been criticized as hasty because McCain had met her just once before he offered her the job.

Palin also is the subject of an ethics investigation involving the firing of the state's public safety commissioner after he wouldn't dismiss her former brother-in-law, a state trooper. Her efforts as mayor to gain millions of dollars in federal funding through the so-called "earmark" process appeared to be at odds with the McCain message of fiscal reform.

Her personal life became a topic of discussion after Palin revealed that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter was pregnant. Yet her candidacy has excited Republicans at the convention and across the country, in part because she has earned a reputation for taking on entrenched interests in Alaska and is staunchly pro-gun and anti-abortion.

"Give her a chance to make her first speech, give her a chance to do her first interview," said former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, the convention's keynote speaker.

"Of course it's going to be high stakes," Giuliani said in an interview Wednesday with "Good Morning America" on ABC. "The media is ready to pounce on any mistake. ... She looks to me like she's got tremendous confidence, got tremendous ability as a speaker."

Palin walked onto the spare stage at the Xcel Center about 7:20 a.m. EDT for a run-through and spent about 10 minutes looking onto the nearly empty arena and discussing where she would stand at the lectern and where she would look during her prime-time speech. Joining Palin were McCain campaign manager Rick Davis and senior adviser Nicolle Wallace.

The disclosure Monday that Palin's daughter Bristol is five months pregnant - and a continuing drip of potentially embarrassing details - knocked the convention off message before a rousing program Tuesday night.

Speakers extolled McCain as a war hero and maverick senator while blasting Democrat Barack Obama as an untested liberal. The 47-year-old Illinois senator is seeking to become the first black president.

"Democrats present a history-making nominee for president. History-making in that he is the most liberal, most inexperienced nominee ever to run for president," former Tennessee Sen. Fred Thompson said as delegates roared with delight.

Palin, who has been in St. Paul since Sunday but out of sight, has a chance Wednesday to speak above the media din and present herself directly to voters as a strong-willed reformer and a solid conservative with appeal to women, including supporters of failed Democratic candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton.

The convention returned, mostly, to normal Tuesday after its opening session was cut short as Hurricane Gustav bore down on the Gulf Coast. With damage from Gustav relatively light, the political speeches began, with President Bush calling McCain "ready to lead this nation."

Thompson, a longtime ally of McCain whose own campaign for the White House flamed out early this year, tossed chunk after chunk of rhetorical red meat to the delegates.

"Washington pundits and media big shots are in a frenzy over the selection of a woman who has actually governed rather than just talked a good game on the Sunday talk shows and hit the Washington cocktail circuit," Thompson said.

But the media focus on Palin's difficulties won't go away, particularly since Bristol Palin and the unborn child's father, 18-year-old Levi Johnston, were to attend Wednesday's session. Republicans across the party defended Palin.

"I haven't seen anything that comes out about her that in any way troubles me or shakes my confidence in her," said former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, who ran unsuccessfully for the party's presidential nomination this year.

The prime spot in Tuesday evening's lineup went to Connecticut Democratic-turned-independent Sen. Joe Lieberman - whose vote presently gives Democrats control of the Senate - who enthusiastically endorsed McCain and Palin.

"When others wanted to retreat in defeat from the field of battle, when Barack Obama was voting to cut off funding for our troops on the ground," Lieberman said, "John McCain had the courage to stand against the tide of public opinion."

Jim Manley, a spokesman for Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said Lieberman "can give all the partisan speeches he wants, but as the American people have made very clear, the last thing this country needs is another four years of the same old failed Bush-McCain policies of the past."
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Back to Story - Help
McCain More Likely to Drop Palin, Bookmakers Say Mark Deen
Tue Sep 2, 1:04 PM ET



Sept. 2 (Bloomberg) -- The smart money thinks there's a better chance today than yesterday that John McCain will dump Sarah Palin as his running mate.

Before the Republican senator's presidential campaign disclosed the pregnancy of Palin's 17-year-old daughter, bookmakers in Britain and Ireland were offering 20-1 odds or higher on a bet that she would be forced off the ticket, meaning a 1 pound ($1.78) bet would pay 20 pounds. Now that same bet will pay no more than 8 pounds.

``While it is rare that a VP candidate gets dropped, it's not completely impossible,'' said Ken Robertson, political betting analyst at Paddy Power Plc, a Dublin-based gambling company. ``Lots of our punters are betting `Shocking' Sarah's days are numbered,'' he added, using a nickname he came up with for the first-term Alaska governor.

The odds, based on wagers made online with Paddy Power and William Hill Plc and in their betting shops, also suggest that McCain is less likely to win the White House because of his vice-presidential running-mate choice, announced Aug. 29. Both gambling houses, along with rival Ladbrokes Plc, place Democrat Barack Obama, 47, as the favorite to triumph in the contest.

``Ever since he appointed her, people have stopped betting on McCain,'' said David Williams of Ladbrokes in London. ``He went down like a sack of potatoes as far as the punters are concerned.''

Odds for Palin

Today, William Hill cut the odds that Palin, 44, would be sacked to 8-1 from 20-1. Paddy Power now puts the odds of Palin leaving the ticket at 14-1, compared to 28-1 before yesterday's disclosure about Bristol Palin, the daughter. The Paddy Power betting house is also offering 33-1 odds that she will go by the end of this week. Ladbrokes is offering 10-1 odds that Palin will quit the race.

Intrade, a Dublin-based peer-to-peer betting Web site, opened a contract on Palin to be withdrawn as the Republican vice presidential nominee. The latest price was 12 cents, up 9 cents today. Each contract at that price will pay 88 cents per contract if Palin leaves the ticket.

Political betting on financial markets outperforms polling as an elections predictor, according to a University of North Carolina study and figures from the Iowa Electronic Markets. Only twice in the century through 2004 -- the 1916 election and the 2000 contest between Bush and Democrat Al Gore -- did the betting markets get it wrong on the popular vote.

Eagleton's Demise

The last time a vice presidential candidate was dropped from the ticket was in 1972, when George McGovern's pick for the job, Tom Eagleton, left the Democratic campaign after disclosures he had undergone treatment for depression. McGovern went on to lose the election to Republican Richard Nixon.

``It would be disastrous for his campaign were McCain to sack Palin, but it is not impossible that she could stand down should party chiefs feel that she is too controversial a choice who might end up costing McCain votes,'' said William Hill spokesman Graham Sharpe.

The betting houses also say punters are shifting toward an eventual Obama victory in November. Paddy Power said Obama is now favored 4-9 compared with 1-2 before the Palin appointment. William Hill said Obama's odds shifted last week to 4-9, where they now remain, from 4-11 on Aug. 21 and 2-5 before that.

Ladbrokes also puts Obama as the 4-9 favorite.

Odds on victory for McCain, who is 72, are 13-8, according to both Paddy Power and William Hill. Ladbrokes gives McCain a slightly better chance of winning, offering 6 pounds for every four bet on that outcome.

McCain advisers Stephen Schmidt and Mark Salter told reporters in St. Paul, Minnesota, yesterday that the campaign learned of Bristol's pregnancy when the mother was vetted.

Obama, campaigning in Monroe, Michigan, said yesterday Palin's children should be ``off limits'' and cited his own mother, who gave birth to Obama when she was 18. Obama named Senator Joe Biden as his running mate last month.

To contact the reporters on this story: Mark Deen in London at markdeen*bloomberg.net


Copyright © 2008 Bloomberg L.P. All Rights Reserved.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I think Lieberman was trying to make a point and then he just started rambling on and on and just started pulling sh%% out of his A%%


Doesnt look like too many people were there compared to what Denver had for a turnout.

That is Lieberman... rambles on and on... I'm surprised the GOP would even trust him... he's a traitor to the Left.. what makes them think he won't be to them in the near future? ...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
he's a traitor to the Left..

Connecticut democrats did vote him off the ticket...
the GOP's in his state elected him over the Dem pick...

the "thing" about Sara Palin is that she is an appeal to people within the party that are either going to vote GOP or not vote.

Mccain needed (IMO) somebody to appeal to the 15% independents that will actually decide the election.

she ain't it, unless you think she'll save the couple of red states that Obama might take from the GOP in the last election...

Colorado, Pennsylvania, Nevada and Virginia are probably in play. How does Palin bring them back? Co and NV have the "west appeal" but Va and Pa are not likely to be swayed by her IMO....
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Interesting article on Obama:


Why Obama Can't Close the Sale
By AL HUBBARD and NOAM NEUSNER
September 3, 2008; Page A23

Even before John McCain shook up the presidential race by tapping Gov. Sarah Palin to be his running mate, polls weren't showing the late-August lead that Barack Obama (and many Republicans) expected. Why so?

It's not because of the brilliance of the McCain campaign. Rather we believe that -- despite the media's best efforts to exempt Mr. Obama's policies from critical examination -- American voters aren't sheep. They pay attention to the candidates and positions and make wise decisions about who should lead the country.

True, Mr. Obama enjoys several advantages. Republicans are struggling nationwide in head-to-head contests. Democrats lead in voter registration, and have a well-funded presidential candidate.

Yet Americans have not committed to Mr. Obama. Why?

Clearly, Mr. Obama's weakness on foreign policy is a factor. He has a knee-jerk preference for diplomacy with China, Europe and Russia over the security of the American people and our closest allies. He hasn't explained his shifting positions on Iraq and Iran, among other hot spots. And he felt compelled to make up for his experience gap with Mr. McCain by picking Sen. Joe Biden to be his running mate.

But here's the thing: It's not that Mr. Obama hasn't been specific enough in his governing plans. To the contrary, he has been very specific about his tax policy, health-care and energy proposals. It's that voters are paying attention and appear not to like what Candidate Obama is saying.

Mr. Obama has proposed a massive tax increase on investors, business owners, and the "wealthy." At a time when the American people rate the economy as the central issue of the campaign, a tax hike doesn't make a lot of political sense. Voters know that a tax hike won't help the economy.

Moreover, Mr. Obama's tax plans would directly or indirectly harm U.S. investors by raising the capital gains and dividend taxes. More than half of U.S. households are equity owners, so Mr. Obama's proposal risks alienating half the population.

Mr. Obama claims to offer a tax cut to moderate-income families, but a significant portion of Mr. Obama's tax plan is a welfare giveaway costing more than $648 billion over 10 years, according to the Tax Policy Center.

How so? He would authorize a hodgepodge of refundable tax credits covering everything from education, mortgage payments, child care and other items for people who do not pay income taxes now.

About 38% of U.S. households pay no income tax today. Under a President Obama (whose policies would shave 15.3 million households off the tax rolls) that share would grow to nearly half of all American households.

We have been repeatedly told that everyone should pay their fair share. So this sounds grossly unfair and like a return of tax-and-spend liberal economics. No wonder there is a lot of doubt about the wisdom of the junior senator from Illinois.

Mr. Obama's health-care proposal is not quite HillaryCare, but it comes close. A national health insurance, heavily subsidized by taxpayers, would be offered to the currently uninsured. Mr. Obama's instincts on health care are always to move more people onto rolls of government-paid and government-mandated insurance, while depriving the marketplace the oxygen it needs for greater innovation, life-saving cures, and efficiency.

Americans have heard the refrain for government-provided health care before and know an expensive government giveaway when they see it.

Mr. Obama's energy policy is to drill less, consume less, tax more, and spend more. With barely a nod to nuclear energy -- the only meaningfully large, carbon-free source of domestic energy -- he is promising a massive increase in domestic, noncarbon-based energy from sources that produce only a fraction of our energy now.

He has also proposed massive tax increases on U.S. oil and gas companies while continuing to cut off vast swaths of U.S. territory to drilling.

Again, Americans are wiser than they are given credit. They know that if you restrict supply and tax production, prices go up.

The economic wisdom of Americans should not be doubted. They can see through Mr. Obama's proposals. They know that they will have to pick up the bill if Mr. Obama sends checks to people who already don't pay taxes; they know a centralized government-controlled health-care system will be more expensive, less efficient, and less friendly to patients and doctors. They know that the most effective way to bring down energy prices is by keeping all our energy options open, including more drilling in the U.S.

And they know that if a candidate has spent his entire career taxing more and spending more, that's what you'll get -- and more of it.

Mr. Obama is wondering why he can't shake Mr. McCain. His problem isn't his plans for the campaign. It's his plans for governing the country. Americans just aren't buying into them.

Mr. Hubbard was director of the National Economic Council and assistant to the president from 2005-2007. Mr. Neusner was the president's economic policy speechwriter from 2002-2004.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122039919493892941.html?mod=opinion_main_comment aries
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
Sarah Palin's To-Do List

[BadOne]

1. Learn about al-Qaida.

2. Learn about Washington, D.C.

3. Order Bristol's dress (Elastic waist!!! Is white inappropriate after six months?)

3. Fire brother-in-law.

4. Learn about Russia/Georgia/S. Ossetia (Locate Abkhazia???)

5. Nurse Baby Trig.

6. Order flowers for wedding.

7. 0Fire people who haven't fired brother-in-law.

8. Learn about ethics rules.

9. Fire at brother-in-law? (Option: aerial shooting?)

10. Nurse Baby Trig.

11. Learn about Iran.

12. Learn about U.S. Senate.

13. Learn about contraception. (Too late???)

14.Investigate homes for foundlings?

15. Govern Alaska.

16. Life insurance on J.M.?

................................................

....How can this chcik be a V.P. with this much on her plate...LoL [BadOne]

Why on Earth did Mcain and The Republican party pick this woman for V.P. [BadOne]

I wouldn't be surprised if the Democratic Party paid that guy to knock up Palin's sluty daughter with perfect timing like this......Obama and the Dem's are brilliant [Were Up]
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
The Dems are getting desperate. Obama made a very poor choice with Biden and McCain made a GREAT choice with Palin. The Palin choice has energized the conservative base and will certainly draw in many disgruntled women who feel that Hillary was dissed by Obama.

All this talk about Palin's pregnant daughter is absolute proof that the left is scared (and rightfully so).
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Why would Hillary's base feel they need to vote for a person that almost all there political values are the oppisite they don't agree with anything maybe 1/2 of a percent.

they are like oil and vinager.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
If so why is Obama gaining


Gallup Daily: Obama 49%, McCain 43% September 3, 2008
Gallup Poll Daily tracking encompassing Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday’s interviewing shows Barack Obama retaining a 6-point, 49% top 43%, lead over John McCain among registered voters.
 
Posted by Highwaychild on :
 
The Bush's girls are probably on a girls gone wild video as wild as they were.

Cheney's girl is a lesbo(not that there's anything wrong with that,lol).

And Palin's family has the babies having babies thing.

Hard to tell who is the "conservative" party...

You never hear of Chelsea Clinton getting into any chit.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
The Palin choice has energized the conservative base and will certainly draw in many disgruntled women who feel that Hillary was dissed by Obama.

LOL... you don't get out much do you? the disgruntled Hillary voters who will vote for Palin are all GOPs who crossed political lines in the primary to vote AGAINST Obama...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kzb7o2KSUc0


McCain selected Palin because no other GOP's wanted to be on a losing ticket. They want a chance to run in th efuture without that on their record.


Leiberman was Mccains choice, but he realised he would lose his base, which represents about 30% of all voters.. those are the same people that still think Bush has done a good job.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
What really sounds crazy to me is the republican pundits that keep saying that the senate is no place to learn how to be a leader and run things.

Thats all McCain has been to my knowledge is in the senate or congress his hole political career.

So maybe the Ticket should be reversed palin and McCain
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
The Dems are getting desperate. Obama made a very poor choice with Biden and McCain made a GREAT choice with Palin. The Palin choice has energized the conservative base and will certainly draw in many disgruntled women who feel that Hillary was dissed by Obama.

All this talk about Palin's pregnant daughter is absolute proof that the left is scared (and rightfully so).

Though I haven't yet decided who I will vote for, IMO, the right seemed a bit more scared and desperate. How can they actually believe that Palin has more experience then Obama. If being Governor for less than 18 months is the theory, it very shallow. Look at both of their resume and there is a stark contrast, not just in education but in the type of work experience.

"Palin attended Hawaii Pacific College—now Hawaii Pacific University—in Honolulu for a semester in 1982, majoring in Business Administration. She transferred in 1983 to North Idaho College.[11] In 1987,[12] Palin received a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from the University of Idaho, where she also minored in political science.[13][14]

In 1988, she worked as a sports reporter for KTUU-TV in Anchorage, Alaska.[15] She also helped in her husband’s family commercial fishing business.[16]"


"Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles, where he studied at Occidental College for two years.[9] He then transferred to Columbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations.[10] Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983, then worked for a year at the Business International Corporation[11] and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group.[12][13]

After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago to work as a community organizer for three years from June 1985 to May 1988 as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman, and Riverdale) on Chicago's far South Side.[12][14] During his three years as the DCP's director, its staff grew from 1 to 13 and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.[15] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute.[16] In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks then Kenya for five weeks where he met many of his Kenyan relatives for the first time.[17]

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988 and at the end of his first year was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review based on his grades and a writing competition.[18] In his second year he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the law review's staff of 80 editors.[19] Obama's election in February 1990 as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.[19] He graduated with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude from Harvard in 1991 and returned to Chicago where he had worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990.[18][20]

The publicity from his election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review led to a contract and advance to write a book about race relations.[21] In an effort to recruit him to their faculty, the University of Chicago Law School provided Obama with a fellowship and an office to work on his book.[21] He originally planned to finish the book in one year, but it took much longer as the book evolved into a personal memoir. In order to work without interruptions, Obama and his wife, Michelle, traveled to Bali where he wrote for several months. The manuscript was finally published as Dreams from My Father in mid-1995.[21]

Obama directed Illinois Project Vote from April to October 1992, a voter registration drive with a staff of 10 and 700 volunteers that achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, leading Crain's Chicago Business to name Obama to its 1993 list of "40 under Forty" powers to be.[22][23]

Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, as a Lecturer for four years (1992–1996), and as a Senior Lecturer for eight years (1996–2004).[24]

In 1993 Obama joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a 12-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002.[12][25]

Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife, Michelle, became the founding executive director of Public Allies Chicago in early 1993.[12][26] He served on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund Obama's DCP, from 1993–2002, and served on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation from 1994–2002.[12] Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999.[12] He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.[12]"


Compare their political career as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Though Palin's inexperience bothers me and to a degree so does Obama's which is why I'm undecided, one thing I find galring at this point is that the only interveiw the RNC has allowed her to do is with People magazine. They are keeping her away from any tough questions. You talk of sexism. Isn't it sexist for the Republicans to have Thompson, Guilliani etal running interference and speaking for her? Tonight she gives a speech, it may tell us a little but a truer test is in actually having to answer questions from a live person and debating the issues with an opponent and in front of the voters.

I really find it ironic that all of a sudden Republicans are coming out in defense of the way Hillary was treated during the Democratic primary and no I don't think that Hillary's base will run to vote for the Republican ticket just because they picked a woman as their choice for VP. Especially since it seems they want to make Pro-Life the issue. Remember that most of Hillary's base believe in Pro-Choice.

I've read quite a few ****s and message boards and the Republicans are always quick to point out the indiscretions of Bill Clinton, John Edwards and other Dem's but yet fail to list John McCain who was involved with his present wife prior to his divorce, Newt Ginrich and many other Rebulican figures that have themselves been quilty of indiscretion or worse.

Another is that they seem to think that only Republicans can love and honor their country. I service in the Armed Forces and can tell you that being a Republican, Democrat of other never came into to play. I was offended last night at the Country First theme since many many Democrats share those values.

Personally, I find myself a man without a party. Why, because the Far Left and Far Right have tended to squeeze the rest of us out, it almost reminds me of a gang or prison mentality; you're either with us or you're against us.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
with accomplishments including helping set .....and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.
Now, I REALLY don't like the socialist (Osama Obama). How about someone setting up a landlord's rights organization? That's the person I would support!!!
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Obama should have picked hillary....oh well. Not because I like Hillary, but because they would have been a very strong ticket.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
with accomplishments including helping set .....and a tenants' rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.
Now, I REALLY don't like the socialist (Osama Obama). How about someone setting up a landlord's rights organization? That's the person I would support!!!
Just as I figured, you don't want an exchange of ideas and intelligent debate. It's easier to liken Obama to a terrorist or name call.


As far as Altgeld Gardens, are you this kind of Landlord? You'd let your tennant's life in toxic enviroment. Sometimes a little DD helps.

"There are 3,400 residents currently living in the Altgeld / Murray complex. This complex includes its own schools, maintenance staff, on-site social services and medical facilities.

Altgeld Gardens' boundaries are 130th Street on the north and 138th Street on the south, from the Calumet Expressway on the east and the Calumet River on the west. Altgeld Gardens is located near numerous manufacturing plants, former steel mills, waste dumps and landfills. The residents have a growing concern about the number of deaths annually from cancer and other diseases that may be related to their environment.[2]

Altgeld Gardens was named after Democrat John Peter Altgeld, who was the governor of Illinois from 1893-1897. Altgeld Gardens opened for occupancy in September 1944. Altgeld is a low-rise housing development consisting of approximately 1,400 row houses. It was built on land at the edge of the city so many amenities had to be built for the residents, such as schools, stores and medical facilities.

Altgeld Gardens contained a great deal of asbestos in its construction materials - asbestos that remained there until a grassroots campaign in the 1980s advocated for its removal. Future US presidential candidate Barack Obama participated in this campaign, and wrote about it at length in his book Dreams From My Father.

It is one of the densest concentrations of potentially hazardous pollution sources in North America. Many of the landfills that surround them are unregulated, and some of those are still being used. Since most of these landfills as well as many industrial plants are located along the waterways surrounding the area, of the 18 miles of rivers and lakes surrounding Altgeld Gardens, 11 miles of them are unfit for human consumption and recreation, though many residents still fish in them citing that “something’s going to kill them anyway.”

Over the years, Altgeld Gardens (www.altgeldgardens.com) has experienced various gang problems -- yet the community is not regarded as ridden with the sort of bloody rivalries endemic to the North Side's Cabrini Green community nor to the Robert Taylor Homes, near the historic Bronzeville neighborhood.
"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altgeld_Gardens,_Chicago

Hey, you may help me make my decision.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Propertymanager: can you answer this question?

Why is it that the Republican response for Palin's inexperience is: "she a quick study"? Just heard it again from Orin Hatch of Utah. I'm sorry but that really helps me understand why she hasn't been addressing the press. She's been holed up in a Hotel room cramming for finals.

If a "quick study" is the answer, then I'd have to give the advantage to Obama based on his academic accomplishments.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God' By GENE JOHNSON, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 54 minutes ago



ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."

ADVERTISEMENT

In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."

Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.

"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."

A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.

Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry, "What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys." As they preached the love of Jesus throughout Alaska, she said, she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office, including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.

"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.

"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."

Palin attended the evangelical church from the time she was a teenager until 2002, the church said in a statement posted on its Web site. She has continued to attend special conferences and meetings there. Religious conservatives have welcomed her selection as John McCain's running mate.

Rob Boston, a spokesman for Americans United for Separation of Church and State, lamented Palin's comments.

"I miss the days when pastors delivered sermons and politicians delivered political speeches," he said. "The United States is increasingly diverse religiously. The job of a president is to unify all those different people and bring them together around policy goals, not to act as a kind of national pastor and bring people to God."

The section of the church's Web site where videos of past sermons were posted was shut down Wednesday, and a message was posted saying that the site "was never intended to handle the traffic it has received in the last few days."

___

On the Net:

http://tinyurl.com/67b7n8
 
Posted by Upside on :
 
Unbelievable. 3 + pages of discussion about her and no one is willing to cut to the real meat of the issue? I will. See, tonight could very well decide my vote. During her speech, I'm going to see if I can .....umm..... rub one off, so to speak, while watching her. If successful, McCain's got my vote. If not, well then I'm back to being undecided.

Why do you think Mondale didn't win in 1984? Ferraro failed the "winging it" test (yes, I participated) and everyone said screw it and voted for Reagan. Now if Mondale had chosen Dianne Feinstein back then, he'd have won easily because she was still kind of hot. I know I was pulling for her, literally. Believe me, issues are secondary when put up against the possibility of at least 4 years of self gratification material. I think that McCain is the first candidate to recognize it and actually attempt to capture the "wanker" vote.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Yer a cuttin right straight at the real meat of things, ain'tcha, lad?
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Why is it that the Republican response for Palin's inexperience is: "she a quick study"? Just heard it again from Orin Hatch of Utah. I'm sorry but that really helps me understand why she hasn't been addressing the press. She's been holed up in a Hotel room cramming for finals.
RIDICULOUS!!! I haven't heard a single Republican say that "she's a quick study". I think her lack of indoctrination into the Washington Political Establishment is a PLUS and extremely refreshing! If we had more ordinary citizens in Government instead of the idiot politicians, we'd be a LOT better off!
 
Posted by Upside on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Yer a cuttin right straight at the real meat of things, ain'tcha, lad?

Trying to but man, wayyyyyyy too much, well, foreplay I'd guess you'd call it. Almost lost it when Linda Lingle was speaking but then Rudy came on and ruined it. Hopefully I'll know soon.
 
Posted by Highwaychild on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Upside:
the "wanker" vote.

LOL!
I bet they pull in the 18-20 vote. How old are you again Up? lol

I hope you're not rubbing yet, and if you are please don't tell me.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Wow she is on the prowl right now!
 
Posted by Upside on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Highwaychild:
How old are you again Up? lol

Actual physical/chronological age? 49. If I were to be analyzed to determine my maturity level? I'd guess somewhere around 12. Gotta go, busy right now.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
How cute... Rudy's argument for McCain being Prez is he will protect us from Terrorism... and that is pretty much the only argument he came up with... "the economy isn't as important" he said... [Roll Eyes]

As for Palin:

"Put our country first" - funny, why the f*ck are we in Iraq then? Seems like their country comes first...

Before the Convention and due to her daughters' pregnancy the GOP says the "children" should be offlimits in this campaign.. yet she put them front and center during her speech...

And bringing her newborn childs' condition to get elected is shocking to me... do you think if her son was normal, that parents with children and "special needs" would have a advocate in the White House if she and McCain got elected? Hell no...

And bringing her son and nephews joining military service in Iraq will not make me vote for a person...

Hell, even when Rudy was praising Palin as VP choice, Ole Newt Gingrich didn't clap or look happy about the Rudy's Praise of her... NG is one of those Good Ole Boys...

To me she looked more like she was trying to get elected for the PTA then VP... she kept saying what she did for Alaska and this or that... wake up lady... Washington DC is a totally new ball game...
 
Posted by Upside on :
 
Well, McCain has my vote. All of her rhetoric about drilling and pipelines got the better of me. Time for a cigarette.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
Why is it that the Republican response for Palin's inexperience is: "she a quick study"? Just heard it again from Orin Hatch of Utah. I'm sorry but that really helps me understand why she hasn't been addressing the press. She's been holed up in a Hotel room cramming for finals.
RIDICULOUS!!! I haven't heard a single Republican say that "she's a quick study". I think her lack of indoctrination into the Washington Political Establishment is a PLUS and extremely refreshing! If we had more ordinary citizens in Government instead of the idiot politicians, we'd be a LOT better off!
Well, once again your lack of research shows. Prior to the evening festivity of this evening, Orin Hatch said those very words on the Charlie Rose show. I have heard the same statement many times in the past few days.

Go out on a limb and look for yourself.

So then in your opinion, John McCain a life long politician shouldn't be president but Sarah Palin should?
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Look, I think Ron Paul should be President but that isnt going to happen in 2008. The next runner up is the McCain/Palin ticket. I just dont trust Obama.
 
Posted by Highwaychild on :
 
Mach, I didn't dig the using her newborn child's condition either. If she got in they will still be injecting mercury in with the vaccines.

Upman, your drilling for pipelines had me rollin' you crazy horn dog. Enjoy your smoke!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Ok, I watched the speach and listened intently and here is what I observed:

Dick Chaney in a skirt........same beliefs and platitudes and with the same cockeyed grin when trying to pass off a tremendous lie as fact. (And, I'm sorry, but all that claimed beauty and cuteness is long long gone.)
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Dick Cheney in a skirt? I personally think Dick Cheney is almost truly evil in heart. I dont think she is like that. I can see her having her days where she is just a major bit%% but hell what woman isnt like that.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Then perhaps you should read up more on her... drilling and pipelines probably won't happen or be delayed because the Big Oil companies hate her guts... especially Exxon... As for McCain there was a newspaper article that i agreed with written by a former Vietnam Veteran Navy Seal that was in the NY Post yesterday... oddly enough it is not on their website... oh well if i find it somehow I'll post it...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
No doubt you don't, which isn't any big surprise.

And though you heard her repeat almost exactly the same BS about oil and the same BS about coal and the same BS about nuclear power, and push the same lying BS about Iraq and terrorism, you "don't think she is like that".

No doubt you don't, which isn't any big surprise.
 
Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
True enough...but like it or not, she was what McCain needed to win this election...

Before tonite I would have bet on Obama winning...but now, I believe McCain has a very good chance of pulling it off.

quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Ok, I watched the speach and listened intently and here is what I observed:

Dick Chaney in a skirt........same beliefs and platitudes and with the same cockeyed grin when trying to pass off a tremendous lie as fact. (And, I'm sorry, but all that claimed beauty and cuteness is long long gone.)


 
Posted by Upside on :
 
Ok, enough screwing around. I hate sharing my political leanings on a chat board but seriously, how can anyone form an opinion about either candidate based on their convention speeches, or any other speech for that matter? I'm sure her speech tonight stirred the hearts of many republicans just as Obama's did for the democrats. McCain's will do the same. It's all the same political love talk though, they're all saying the same thing. "Let's pull ourselves up by the bootstraps! We can do it bcause doshgonnit, we're Americans and we're strong!"

There's simply no way to develop an informed decision anymore. Their rhetoric is nothing more than feel good and their attacks on each other are at best full of half truths and at worst a whole bunch of burying the real facts. But, if it yields them a quarter point bump in the polls? Well then it's all good, run with it, damage control later. Sadly, all political campaigns are now reduced to targeting the lowest common denominator, those that won't dig beneath the spew they see on television or simply don't care anymore.

To me, there's just no such thing as a democrat or a republican anymore. Those party ideals that were once the foundations were abandoned eons ago. If you blindly throw your loyalty at a candidate based on party, you're a fool because there simply isn't any difference between the two anymore. Obama's going to shake up Washington because he's new, young and not a lifer, right? No, wait, McCain is the candidate of change because his running mate governs Alaska so she's out of the Washington loop and he lived in a pile of chit some 40 years ago so he's tough, right? Sorry, wrong on both counts. Just more of the same either way.

This country needed a wake up call so long ago that now, it just might be beyond our grasp. We (the citizenry) are viewed as morons and treated as such regardless of who is in office and there's no way to change that under the current conditions. As much as I hate to say it, we need an old fashioned peoples revolution to right this sinking ship because neither one of our two "choices" are going to be anything more than a stopgap. Maybe one of them will figure out a way to keep their finger in the dyke a bit longer than the other but the end result will be the same.

Screw it, I'm going to write in Relentless on my ballot. Might be the only vote he gets but dammit, it's for the good of the country. By the way, is Ross Perot still alive?
 
Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
That's exactly what I've been saying for quite some time now...There really is NO choice anymore.
Relentless gets my vote...
 
Posted by Upside on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
That's exactly what I've been saying for quite some time now...There really is NO choice anymore.
Relentless gets my vote...

That's two votes then. How many does it take to constitute a "grass roots" movement?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
We (the citizenry) are viewed as morons and treated as such regardless of who is in office and there's no way to change that under the current conditions.


the worst part is how many people just nod their heads...

the Dem convention was boring, but tonight the GOP convention was just plain sad.

i don't know how low the average IQ is at the convention, but i heard lie after lie...

and the heads just nodded...

"more executive experience"? i mean how dumb do these guys think we are...

her "hometown" had a population of 5000 when she was mayor...

i live in a very small town more than three times that size, and the first thing anybody i don't know asks me is what church i go to...

the whole show tonight was a very sad commentary on how low Bush has brought the GOP....
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Rudy must be smokin' crack:

Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani says Sarah Palin is ready to handle Sept. 11 crisis

By Associated Press
8:54 AM EDT, September 3, 2008

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) _ Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani says if Sarah Palin had been president when the U.S. came under attack on Sept. 11, 2001, he's confident she would have been able to handle the crisis.

Palin's experience as the mayor of a tiny Alaska town and as Alaska's governor for less than two years have led critics to question her readiness to be vice president in a John McCain administration — and president should he be unable to continue serving.

In an interview Wednesday on ABC's "Good Morning America," Giuliani was asked, "If she were the president on 9/11, you would have been confident?"

Giuliani responded: "I'd be confident that she'd be able to handle it. She's been a governor of a state, she's been mayor of a city."


http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-cvn-giuliani-palin,0,5272066.st ory
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
apparently Wasilla didn't even have police department when she first ran...

interesting article here....

Wasilla:

"We like to call this the Bible Belt of Alaska," says Cheryl Metiva, head of the local chamber of commerce. Churches proliferate in Wasilla today, and among the largest and most influential is the Wasilla Bible Church, where the Palins worship.

When Palin, who went on to win re-election by a landslide, was forced out of the Mayor's office by term limits in 2002, her husband Todd's stepmother Faye Palin ran for mayor. She did not, however, get Sarah Palin's endorsement. A couple of people told me that they thought abortion was the reason for Palin not supporting her family member — Faye, they say, is pro-choice, not to mention a Democrat. A former city council member recalls that it was a heated race, mainly because of right-to-life issues: "People were writing BABYKILLER on Faye's campaign signs just a few days before the election." Faye Palin lost the race to the candidate that Sarah backed, Dianne Keller, who is still mayor of Wasilla. (Over the weekend, Faye Palin told the New York Daily News that she liked listening to Barack Obama speak and that she wasn't sure who she would vote for in November.)


http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
We (the citizenry) are viewed as morons and treated as such regardless of who is in office and there's no way to change that under the current conditions.


the worst part is how many people just nod their heads...

the Dem convention was boring, but tonight the GOP convention was just plain sad.

i don't know how low the average IQ is at the convention, but i heard lie after lie...

and the heads just nodded...

"more executive experience"? i mean how dumb do these guys think we are...

her "hometown" had a population of 5000 when she was mayor...

i live in a very small town more than three times that size, and the first thing anybody i don't know asks me is what church i go to...

the whole show tonight was a very sad commentary on how low Bush has brought the GOP....

Frankly, but perhaps not appropriately, I'm embarrassed by the reporters on the scene. Why don't those reporters ask: "What IN THE WORLD are you talking about?!?"
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
William Ayers anyone?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
OK, here's some redmeat:


During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign. Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/09/an-wasillan-on.html


uh-oh, this sounds eerily familiar:

She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents. The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for?

Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.


i think the Dems will be chewing her up and spitting her out in tiny peices very soon...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
nice find
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Who DOESNT have dirt?

My biggest issue personally for myself is gun rights. It is clear what Obama thinks about that..

Obama endorsed the Illinois handgun ban. Why? I dont know but just because south side Chicago thugs have gang violence issues doesnt mean you need to take them away from people who are not involved in gang violence.

Obama would like to ban semi-automatics, and Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Why on earth would you sue a gun maker for crips and bloods violence against eachother?

He opposes conceal and carry, which is the only thing that will keep you alive if you are white in southside Chicago! Lol


Obama has some views on abortion I dont agree with. If you go here:

http://www.ontheissues.org/SenateVote/Party_2006-216.htm

You can see that Obama voted for allowing women to go out of state to perform abortions without notification of the parents. If you have a daughter, do you care if she goes a few states over to get an abortion at 16 without you ever knowing?


TAXES...John McCain may not be the most desireable candidate but has a long voting record that is supportive of tax relief. Obama voted against repealing the death tax. Why do taxes have to get involved in DEATH? Seriously...


Since we ARE on an allstocks board might as well throw it out there about how Obama will sharply increase capital gains tax.


Anyway, Obama seems like a fun guy and John McCain would be fun to have a few beers with. Obama may be able to bring change, but what IS that change? To the far left? I would rather live in a far right country than a far left country any day. Im more about people making it on their own, than relying on the federal government because we all know how worthless the fed is when it comes to giving. When it comes to taking there is no problem whatsoever!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
They all need to be locked in a room together and asked the hard questions without any wiggle room. Kept the doors lock until they actually answer the questions.

I'm not happy with either ticket. I'm not happy with the tone of either convention. I'm not happy with either party as they both will say whatever it takes to get elected. Until the media grows a set and stops looking in dark alleys for stories that belong on the back page of Star or the Inquirer and begin doing their job of getting to the real meat on the bone, issue that count and the PUBLIC say enough. We will be stuck in situations like we now are.

If you went into the street tomorrow and interviewed people asking them what any of the candidates will do about the real issues, like the Economy, our aggresive war stance, healthcare etc, I believe that you would hear talking points from either the Dem's or Rep's or even worse unsubstantiated ****s.

I recently went on a few of the Poltical message boards and was appalled at what was passing as the truth. Things, that took me a couple of minutes of searching to debunk. It's on both side of the street.

This is ONE COUNTRY with many differing views but I can say for a fact that neither side politically has all the answers. You hear so much about Flip Flopping. IMO, a person that changes their position because they learn new facts is mature. My belief's on many issues has changed over the years due to life experience and finding new information.

Both parties are disingenuous in their attacks on each other. The problem is people buy into them.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
RON PAUL!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Since we ARE on an allstocks board might as well throw it out there about how Obama will sharply increase capital gains tax.

Palin increased oil taxes last year CCM...

and i just found out why Palin is so popular with the Alaskan voter:

Alaska, where every resident this year will get a $3,200 payout, thanks in no small measure to the efforts of Sarah Palin, the state's Republican governor. That's $22,400 for a family of seven, like Palin's.

hey, i'm moving there as fast as i can... she's giving money away from the State coffers while she BORROWS money to pay the state bills...

oh wait, i don't need to move there for that Bush has been doing it too...
Why is it a good thing for the folks up in Alaska to get a cut of oil company profits, but not the rest of us, if we are all part of one nation? eh?


Alaska collected an estimated $6 billion from the new tax during the fiscal year that ended June 30, according to the Alaska Oil and Gas Association. That helped push the state's total oil revenue — from new and existing taxes, as well as royalties — to more than $10 billion, double the amount received last year.

why does an Alaskan get all that money but we don't? i live in a Gas and Oil state:
MS...we don't get chit for the oil here.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i think Palin has lied her azz off already, and she's only been on the job one night...

she's a friggin Socialist:



Alaska's oil windfallby the numbers
$6 billion

Estimated revenue collected by state of Alaska from new tax on oil profits this fiscal year.
$10 billion

Estimated total oil revenue collected by state this year (old plus new oil taxes).
$1,200

Special payment to each Alaskan resident this year from new oil tax.
$2,000

Estimated annual dividend each Alaskan will receive this year from oil-wealth savings account, not counting the new oil tax.

How the windfall tax works
The tax is imposed on the net profit earned on each barrel of oil pumped from state lands, after deducting costs for production and transportation.

The tax is set at its highest rate in Prudhoe Bay, where the state takes 25 percent of the net profit of a barrel when its price is at or below $52.

The percentage then escalates as oil prices rise over that benchmark.


i beleive that is the very definiton of wealth re-distrribution...


if that ain't the funniest joke i've ever seen played on the "conservatives" in the GOP convention i dunno what is...


"Clearly, from the investor standpoint, Alaska has become a less attractive place to invest exploration and production dollars," said Marilyn Crockett, executive director of the Alaska Oil and Gas Association.

YEA!!! drill drill drill baybey
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Because there is a ton of oil in Alaska glass. Why should Alaska oil payout to people in a state that has no oil production?


I live in an oil and gas state as well. Instead of forcing private and public companies to share their profits with citizens...how about the states lower the gas taxes? In my state of Kansas it is currently 43 cents per gallon in tax!

See YOUR state's gas tax here:

http://www.kansasgasprices.com/tax_info.aspx


If oil companies are only making 8-9 cents per gallon og gas and your state is making over 40 cents...who is bending you over more?


"Together Federal and State excise taxes on fuel account for an average cost of approximately 62 cents per gallon"


California? Get this: 63.9 cents per gallon for state tax. What is with California and high taxes? Why is it that the most liberal states have the highest tax rates? California, New York, Mass. etc
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Why should Alaska oil payout to people in a state that has no oil production?

cuz we are all one country (last i checked)

she raised taxes on OIL co's and we PAY whenever we buy oil... get it?

that money that Alaskans get comes out of your and my pocket...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
On top of taxing the rest of America for oil produced in Alaska, no wonder she wants the oil from the north slope drilled.


Despite cuts, Alaska earmarks still high
Andrew Taylor / Associated Press
ST. PAUL, Minn. -- John McCain touts Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a force in the battle against earmarks and entrenched power brokers, but under her leadership the state this year asked for almost $300 per person in requests for pet projects from one of McCain's top adversaries: indicted Sen. Ted Stevens.

That's more than any other state received, per person, from Congress for this budget year, and runs counter to the reformer image that Palin and the McCain campaign are pushing. Other states got just $34 worth of local projects per person this year, on average, according to Citizens Against Government Waste, a watchdog group in Washington.

Palin reduced the state government's requests for special projects this year to 31 earmarks totaling $198 million, about $295 person.

Advertisement
The state government's earmark requests to Congress in her first year in office exceeded $550 million, more than $800 per resident.

Palin's request to Stevens, "would still put Alaska No. 1," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group that tracks earmarks closely.

The McCain campaign said Tuesday that Palin realized that Alaska was too reliant on earmarks and ordered state officials to cut back on their requests. It also said Obama requested nearly $1 billion in earmarks over three years for Illinois -- a state with nearly 20 times the population of Alaska.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
didn't everybody call obama a socialist when he proposed windfall taxes on the oil co's?

Plain actually already did it... and then she sent checks out to the people?

that's Socialism with a capital "S"

i'm not for it no matter who does it.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:


she's a friggin Socialist:


nothing wrong with that... [Wink]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Analysis: GOP contradicts self on Palin family

By TED ANTHONY – 3 hours ago

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — People: Make up your minds.

For two days, the chorus from Republicans on TV news and in the halls of the convention has been resounding: Back off and let the Palin family be. "That's out of bounds," said Minnesota's Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty. "There's no need to be intrusive and pry into that."

Huh? The Republican message about the Palin offspring comes across as contradictory: Hey, media, leave those kids alone — so we can use them as we see fit.


http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gwVVaTDmEnfey52iYOpLi3LBvxWAD92VLMS80
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:


she's a friggin Socialist:


nothing wrong with that... [Wink]
LOL, i don't need to move to another country, i'm so relieved, i can just move the to the Republic of Alaska...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Why the media should apologize Roger Simon
Thu Sep 4, 12:15 AM ET



ST. PAUL, Minn. — On behalf of the media, I would like to say we are sorry.

ADVERTISEMENT

On behalf of the elite media, I would like to say we are very sorry.

We have asked questions this week that we should never have asked.

We have asked pathetic questions like: Who is Sarah Palin? What is her record? Where does she stand on the issues? And is she is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?

We have asked mean questions like: How well did John McCain know her before he selected her? How well did his campaign vet her? And was she his first choice?

Bad questions. Bad media. Bad.

It is not our job to ask questions. Or it shouldn’t be. To hear from the pols at the Republican National Convention this week, our job is to endorse and support the decisions of the pols.

Sarah Palin hit the nail on the head Wednesday night (and several in the audience wish she had hit some reporters on the head instead) when she said: “I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.”

But where did we go wrong with Sarah Palin? Let me count the ways:

First, we should have stuck to the warm, human interest stuff like how she likes mooseburgers and hit an important free throw at her high school basketball tournament even though she had a stress fracture.

Second, we should have stuck to the press release stuff like how she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere (after she supported it).

Third, we should never have strayed into the other stuff. Like when The Washington Post recently wrote: “Palin is under investigation by a bipartisan state legislative body. … Palin had promised to cooperate with the legislative inquiry, but this week she hired a lawyer to fight to move the case to the jurisdiction of the state personnel board, which Palin appoints.”

Why go there? What trees does that plant?

Fourth, we should stop making with all the questions already. She gave a really good speech. And why go beyond that? As we all know, speeches cannot be written by others and rehearsed for days. They are true windows to the soul.

Unless they are delivered by Barack Obama, that is. In which case, as Palin said Wednesday, speeches are just a “cloud of rhetoric.”

Fifth, we should stop reporting on the families of the candidates. Unless the candidates want us to.

Sarah Palin wanted the media to report on her teenage son, Track, who enlisted in the Army on Sept. 11, 2007, and soon will deploy to Iraq.

Sarah Palin did not want the media to report on her teenage daughter, Bristol, who is pregnant and unmarried.

Sarah Palin thinks that one is good for her campaign and one is not, and that the media should report only on what is good for her campaign. That is our job, and that is our duty. If that is not actually in the Constitution, it should be. (And someday may be.)

The official theme of the convention’s third day was “prosperity,” but the unofficial theme was “the media are really, really awful.”

Even Mike Huckabee, who campaigned for president this year by saying “I am a conservative, but I am not mad at anybody,” discovered Wednesday night that he is mad at somebody.

“I’d like to thank the elite media for doing something,” Huckabee said, “that, quite frankly, I didn’t think could be done: unify the Republican party and all of America in support of John McCain and Sarah Palin.”

And could that be the real point of the attacks on the media? To unify the Republican Party?

No, that is simply the cynical, media view.

Though as Lily Tomlin says, “No matter how cynical I get, it’s just never enough to keep up.”

I couldn’t resist that. For which I am sorry.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/13143;_ylt=ArZMZqAiOKWXA4dvZ3gxbnph24cA
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Palin made a speech the content of which I do not agree with to any large degree.

The showmanship was good and I feel over the next 2 months it will be repeated and repeated for the dumb asss right.Why, becase they learn and operate by memory only and not by learning.

So get ready to hear the simple slogans made up of crazy jargon to please the dim wits and give them something to chant night and day until they convince themselves it is truth.

Every time the bell rings bow wow you get a treat
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
You guys seem to be in a panic (as well you should). She showed that she is a normal person with midwest type common sense. This should have been a year in which the dems won in a landslide, but it looks to me like they are going to lose AGAIN! I'm still not thrilled with McCain, but Sarah Palin is very impressive! The base is back.
 
Posted by cottonjim on :
 
Doesn't matter what I think. P-Diddy doesnt support Mc/Palin so by god, I shouldn't either. Must be time to un-rock the vote... BAAAAAAAA. What a joke.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
letting her 17 yr old unmarried daughter have this baby is a HUGE error in judgement.. this is what is meant by family values? Palin is a Fake and she will be exposed as such. This will put the nail in the coffin for Mcbush..
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Yes, Jordan, that is EXACTLY what I would call family values. Of course, I know the lefties would prefer that she kill the unborn baby, but that's not what Christians or conservative believe. Palin is an instant superstar, despite the intensely hateful rhetoric of the wacko left over the past few days. Game, set, match! The socialists lose again!
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
yes indeed...lets have another unwanted pregnancy and produce that unwanted child. smart move...and that is pro-life?...no, that is another sad,pathetic, example of backward thinking.

by the way...no such thing as an unborn baby!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Jordan, you can't accomplish much playing a tune for him.

He's been tone deaf from birth, thinks everyone else has been too, and can't hear or conceive of the melody in life or in your songs.

Ignorance is bliss, you know....and likes it that way.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
and produce that unwanted child. smart move...and that is pro-life?...no, that is another sad,pathetic, example of backward thinking.
Quite the contrary! Who said anything aboug the child being unwanted? Based on what I've seen about the Palin family, that baby will be loved greatly by the entire family and will end up being a happy and productive member of society.

quote:
by the way...no such thing as an unborn baby!
RIDICULOUS! What do you think it is? An unborn puppy? C'mon!
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
its not a baby until its born...geesh...
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
its not a baby until its born...geesh...
So, one minute after birth, it's a baby. One minute before birth, it's what??? A goose? A bird? A kitten? That's ridiculous!
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
ah, um, how bout ...FETUS!!!!..

what is this?,,1st grade??
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
A fetus IS an UNBORN BABY (in humans). C'mon, you don't actually believe this nonsense. It's just politically incorrect to say outloud what you really believe - that you believe in MURDERING unborn children. Facing the truth might be therapeutic - give it a try.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
its not a baby until its born...geesh...
So, one minute after birth, it's a baby. One minute before birth, it's what??? A goose? A bird? A kitten? That's ridiculous!
Smoke that comes off a trash fire is not the trash it was one minute before and that molded left too long in the "frige" piece of ham does not continue existence after the various alterations that produce the smoke. Even you should know better than to rely on that simple minded abuse of logic.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
More gibberish Bdgee? So, what are you saying...that a baby is a piece of trash or a piece of ham one minute before birth? I guess that explains that you have no problem killing it! C'mon - if you think real hard, you know what it is - IT'S A BABY!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
No, it isn't gibberish. It is common sense.

That crap you regurgitate from Fat Rush, the Doper, and Anal Attentive Ann Coulter and the RNC is gibberish and it is illogical trash. If you actually believe even a smidgen of that BS, then you are truly a mental ninny.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
ah, um, how bout ...FETUS!!!!..

what is this?,,1st grade??

So Jordan if you are married to a woman and she is pregnant to you go around telling people you are having a fetus? "We are pregnant with a fetus"
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
see the GREAT effect our new pitbull with lipstick has on real discussion?

this is what she did in AK too....

to the point of family members fighting over it...

this type of politics will not fix the energy crisis, nor will it fix cronyism....
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Of course not, CCW, because nature requires that what is a baby is able to survive with only normal and natural attention. That which cannot yet survive with only normal and natural attention but might be a baby in the future is called a fetus (or dead fetus if all hope of it eventual alteration to babyhood is gone).

A patty of raw ground beef, even on a bun and festooned with lettuce, tomato, onion, mustard, etc. is not hamburger.

A spoon of leaves with no hot water poured over them, then allowed to steep, is not a cup of tea, simply because the ingredients required are there.

A 10 year old boy is not a mature man just because he may one day become one and he should not be granted all the privileges, responsibilities, and freedoms that may one day be his simply via that hoped for and expected possibility. He remains boy!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
There are "forms" of cronyism, one of which is to eliminate (read that have fired in this case) those not completely in step with your own views.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
I love when Republicans or people connected to the GOP get caught on a Mic when they think it is off:

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/03/hot-mic-pundits-caught-bashing- mccains-choice/?icid=200100125x1208556532x1200515352
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Just can't wait to hear another speach from Caribou Barbie Gov. of the largest mass of tundra in the country.

What a joke
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i see the market has spoken too [Wink]

DOW down almost 300$,,,, [BadOne] [BadOne] [BadOne]

whooopee!!!!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
I love when Republicans or people connected to the GOP get caught on a Mic when they think it is off:

http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/09/03/hot-mic-pundits-caught-bashing- mccains-choice/?icid=200100125x1208556532x1200515352

DECLARATIONS
By PEGGY NOONAN






Open Mic Night at MSNBC
September 3, 2008
St. Paul

Well, I just got mugged by the nature of modern media, and I wish it weren't my fault, but it is. Readers deserve an explanation, so I'm putting a new top on today's column and, with the forbearance of the Journal, here it is.

Wednesday afternoon, in a live MSNBC television panel hosted by NBC's political analyst Chuck Todd, and along with Republican strategist Mike Murphy, we discussed Sarah Palin's speech this evening to the Republican National Convention. I said she has to tell us in her speech who she is, what she believes, and why she's here. We spoke of Republican charges that the media has been unfair to Mrs. Palin, and I defended the view that while the media should investigate every quote and vote she's made, and look deeply into her career, it has been unjust in its treatment of her family circumstances, and deserved criticism for this.

When the segment was over and MSNBC was in commercial, Todd, Murphy and I continued our conversation, talking about the Palin choice overall. We were speaking informally, with some passion -- and into live mics. An audio tape of that conversation was sent, how or by whom I don't know, onto the internet. And within three hours I was receiving it from friends far and wide, asking me why I thought the McCain campaign is "over", as it says in the transcript of the conversation. Here I must plead some confusion. In our off-air conversation, I got on the subject of the leaders of the Republican party assuming, now, that whatever the base of the Republican party thinks is what America thinks. I made the case that this is no longer true, that party leaders seem to me stuck in the assumptions of 1988 and 1994, the assumptions that reigned when they were young and coming up. "The first lesson they learned is the one they remember," I said to Todd -- and I'm pretty certain that is a direct quote. But, I argued, that's over, those assumptions are yesterday, the party can no longer assume that its base is utterly in line with the thinking of the American people. And when I said, "It's over!" -- and I said it more than once -- that is what I was referring to. I am pretty certain that is exactly what Todd and Murphy understood I was referring to. In the truncated version of the conversation, on the Web, it appears I am saying the McCain campaign is over. I did not say it, and do not think it. In fact, at an on-the-record press symposium on the campaign on Monday, when all of those on the panel were pressed to predict who would win, I said that I didn't know, but that we just might find "This IS a country for old men." That is, McCain may well win. I do not think the campaign is over, I do not think this is settled, and did not suggest, back to the Todd-Murphy conversation, that "It's over."

However, I did say two things that I haven't said in public, either in speaking or in my writing. One is a vulgar epithet that I wish I could blame on the mood of the moment but cannot. No one else, to my memory, swore. I just blurted. The other, more seriously, is a real criticism that I had not previously made, but only because I hadn't thought of it. And it is connected to a thought I had this morning, Wednesday morning, and wrote to a friend. Here it is. Early this morning I saw Texas Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, and as we chatted about the McCain campaign (she thoughtfully and supportively) I looked into her eyes and thought, Why not her? Had she been vetted for the vice presidency, and how did it come about that it was the less experienced Mrs. Palin who was chosen? I didn't ask these questions or mention them, I just thought them. Later in the morning, still pondering this, I thought of something that had happened exactly 20 years before. It was just after the 1988 Republican convention ended. I was on the plane, as a speechwriter, that took Republican presidential nominee George H.W. Bush, and the new vice presidential nominee, Dan Quayle, from New Orleans, the site of the convention, to Indiana. Sitting next to Mr. Quayle was the other senator from that state, Richard Lugar. As we chatted, I thought, "Why him and not him?" Why Mr. Quayle as the choice, and not the more experienced Mr. Lugar? I came to think, in following years, that some of the reason came down to what is now called The Narrative. The story the campaign wishes to tell about itself, and communicate to others. I don't like the idea of The Narrative. I think it is ... a barnyard epithet. And, oddly enough, it is something that Republicans are not very good at, because it's not where they live, it's not what they're about, it's too fancy. To the extent the McCain campaign was thinking in these terms, I don't like that either. I do like Mrs. Palin, because I like the things she espouses. And because, frankly, I met her once and liked her. I suspect, as I say further in here, that her candidacy will be either dramatically successful or a dramatically not; it won't be something in between.

But, bottom line, I am certainly sorry I blurted my barnyard ephithet, I am certainly sorry that someone abused my meaning in the use of the words, "It's over", and I'm sorry I didn't have the Kay Baily Hutchison thought before this morning, because I could have written of it. There. Now: onto today's column.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
She is so lying lol She got caught on tape and thats that... much like Jesse Jackson got caught on tape about Obama, Bush got caught on tape about Wall Street and other topics etc... the tape does not lie...
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
This is the truth....Obama supporters are getting nasty about her. Well, I guess thats politics!


Poll: 51 percent say reporters are trying to hurt Palin rasmussenreports.com
Thu Sep 4, 9:43 AM ET


Over half of U.S. voters (51%) think reporters are trying to hurt Sarah Palin with their news coverage, and 24% say those stories make them more likely to vote for Republican presidential candidate John McCain in November.

ADVERTISEMENT

Thirty-nine percent (39%) also believe the GOP vice presidential nominee has better experience to be president of the United States than Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama.

But 49% give Obama the edge on experience, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey taken before Palin's historic speech Wednesday night to the Republican National Convention.

While Republicans and Democrats predictably favor their party's candidate by overwhelming margins, the experience gap among voters unaffiliated with either party is even narrower than the national totals. Forty-two percent (42%) say Obama has better experience to be president, but 37% say Palin does.

The potential problem for Democrats is that Obama, the junior U.S. senator from Illinois and a former state legislator, is the party's standard-bearer, while Palin, an ex-mayor and now governor of Alaska, is number two on her party's ticket.

Palin's highly successful debut on the national stage Wednesday night at the GOP convention is sure to impact these numbers, too. Her speech repeatedly highlighted her experience versus Obama's, something she is expected to focus on from now until Election Day.

Just a week ago 67% of voters told Rasmussen Reports they didn't know enough about Palin, only the second woman ever to be on a national political ticket, to comment on her. Heading into last night's speech, however, 52% had a favorable opinion of Alaska's Governor.

In the new survey, while 24% are more likely to vote for Palin due to recent news coverage, 19% say the opposite and 54% say the stories have no impact on their votes.

Nationally, the Rasmussen daily Presidential Tracking Poll showed Obama with a modest but expected bounce following the close of his convention last week, but that is already being offset by the bounce McCain is beginning to get from his party's gathering.

Since McCain announced Palin as his running mate on Friday, she has been subjected to an unprecedented wave of negative media stories, many focused on her personal life and especially the pregnancy of her unmarried 17-year-old daughter. The focus of the coverage, especially in the ****osphere, has even prompted Obama to distance himself from it.

Republicans have responded angrily, and the media was the target of numerous negative comments over the first two nights of the GOP convention. Several aides to Hillary Clinton, who Obama defeated for the Democratic presidential nomination, also have criticized the media coverage for its sexist tone.

In the new survey, although 85% say they are following news stories about Palin at least somewhat closely, just five percent (5%) think reporters are trying to help her with their coverage, while 35% believe reporters are providing unbiased coverage.

Eighty percent (80%) of Republicans say reporters are trying to hurt the GOP vice presidential nominee, and 28% of Democrats agree. Only six percent (6%) of Republicans and even fewer Democrats (4%)think the reporting is intended to help her. Most Democrats (57%) think the reporters are being unbiased, but just nine percent (9%) of Republicans concur.

Among unaffiliated voters, 49% say reporters are trying to hurt Palin, while 32% say their coverage is unbiased. Only five percent (5%) say reporters are trying to help her.

Voters are more ambivalent about whether the media coverage of Palin and her family reflects a double standard that treats women worse than men. Forty-six percent (46%) say it does, but 35% disagree. Most Republicans and unaffiliated voters say the stories show the media's double standard against women, but a majority of Democrats disagree.

The findings, nevertheless, are troublesome for the embattled news industry and parallel what voters said in surveys earlier this summer. Sixty-eight percent (68%) of voters now believe most reporters try to help the candidate they want to win, and 49% believe reporters are trying to help Obama this year. Only 14% think they are trying to help McCain. In another survey, 55% said media bias is a bigger problem for the electoral process than large campaign donations.

Although women voters by a 48% to 35% margin believe the coverage of Palin reveals a double standard in the media, they continue to support Obama more than men. Palin in her comments already has made clear that one of her key missions is to lure women voters disaffected by Clinton's defeat in the Democratic primaries to the McCain column. This national survey of 1,000 Likely Voters was conducted by Rasmussen Reports on September 3, 2008. The margin of sampling error for each survey is +/- 3 percentage points with a 95% level of confidence.

Rasmussen Reports is an electronic publishing firm specializing in the collection, publication, and distribution of public opinion polling information.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
more is beginning to trickle out about Palin's record:

The documents show that Palin used city computers to manage her campaign and billed taxpayers for mailings, phone calls and literature. Palin also had her city secretary, Mary Bixby, print 75 thank-you notes to campaign donors and book a campaign related trip Ketchikan in May 2002 while on city time.

Former city officials said Palin and her campaign staff worked upwards of 10 hours a day using Wasilla City Hall as her campaign headquarters where campaign faxes were sent and received, and campaign staffers used city phones to solicit donations.

On Palin’s lieutenant governor candidate registration form with the Alaska Public Offices Commission, she used the e-mail the city gave her — sarah*ci.wasilla.ak.us — for “campaign chairperson” contact information and the Wasilla City Hall fax telephone number for "candidate information.”

Palin’s mayoral schedule for June 12, 2002 showed that she met with Herold Advertising Products in her office at City Hall. Soon after, the company faxed the city’s deputy administrator, John Cramer, "Sarah Palin Lieutenant Governor" artwork and an invoice for the work.

Former city officials said they were unaware whether Palin reimbursed the city for funds she used to promote her campaign. Neither spokesmen at the governor’s office in Alaska nor McCain-Palin campaign representatives returned telephone calls and e-mails for comment.


this might seem like small-town politics as usual, but it doesn't fly in a National Campaign...

here's where it get interesting:

Ironically, as chairwoman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, Palin reported Ruedrich, a fellow commissioner, to Gov. Frank Murkowski’s administration, accusing him of an ethics breach for conducting work for the state GOP on government time.

To obtain evidence of Ruedrich’s alleged malfeasance, Palin hacked into his computer, an ethical lapse in its own right. In January 2004, she resigned from the commission in protest over what she billed as corrupt practices.

Palin’s ethics complaint against Ruedrich gave her a reputation as an anti-establishment reformer at a time when the Alaskan Republican hierarchy was coming under scrutiny for corruption. Reudrich paid a $12,000 fine after an investigation revealed he had violated state ethics rules.


http://www.consortiumnews.com/2008/090308a.html
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
The Anchorage Daily News reports back in September 2004:

Sarah Palin never thought of herself as an investigator. Yet there she was, hacking uncomfortably into Randy Ruedrich’s computer, looking for evidence that the state Republican Party boss had broken the state ethics law while a member of the Alaska Oil & Gas Conservation Commission.

The next week, when Palin went back to work at the AOGCC, she noticed that Ruedrich had removed his pictures from the walls and the personal effects from his desk. But as she and an AOGCC technician worked their way around his computer password at the behest of an assistant attorney general in Fairbanks, they found his cleanup had not extended to his electronic files.

The technician “said it looked like he tried to delete this, but she knew a way to go around and get some of the deleted stuff,” Palin said in an interview. “I didn’t know what I was looking for, but I was there.”


http://dwb.adn.com/front/story/5572779p-5504444c.html

In early September 2003, Palin said, she called Clark for help after staffers complained that Ruedrich was conducting party business on the job and Mat-Su Borough residents were complaining that Ruedrich was siding with the company trying to develop coal bed methane. Three weeks later, on Sept. 27, Clark finally got back to her, Palin said, and told her: "That's what a chief of staff is for -- I'll handle it."

Three months later, as Palin dug through Ruedrich's computer, she found a message dated Aug. 18 at 2:54 p.m. from John Tanigawa, Alaska representative for Evergreen Resources, the coal bed methane developer in the Valley. Four hours before the Sutton meeting was to begin, Tanigawa was shipping Ruedrich his slides over the Internet.


Reudrich was definitely across the line according to this article...
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
A fetus IS an UNBORN BABY (in humans). C'mon, you don't actually believe this nonsense. It's just politically incorrect to say outloud what you really believe - that you believe in MURDERING unborn children. Facing the truth might be therapeutic - give it a try.

a certainly believe that abortion is a pro-life choice!!!and if you believe that abortion is murder than I believe in murdering a fetus up to 14 weeks...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
this answer seems to be the lowest common denominator of a truly distasteful argument...


World's most premature baby set to leave hospital

* 22:20 20 February 2007
* NewScientist.com news service
* New Scientist and Reuters

A premature baby only slightly longer than a ballpoint pen at birth was due to be sent home in the coming days from a US hospital after four months of neonatal intensive care, the hospital said on Tuesday.

The Baptist Children's Hospital in Miami, Florida, said Amillia Sonja Taylor was born at 21 weeks and six days on 24 October 2006, making her possibly the most premature baby on record to survive.

The claim was based on the University of Iowa's registry of the tiniest babies. The university bases its registry on media reports and medical journal reports and says it does not attempt to verify the information submitted by contributors.

Amillia weighed just under 283.5 grams (10 ounces) and measured 24.13 cm (9.5 inches) in length when she was born.


http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11222-worlds-most-premature-baby-set-to-le ave-hospital.html

as a blood drawer at a large county hospital, i was confronted with having to take blood samples (sometime every 4 hours) from babies just a little larger than this. you just had to tell yourself it was for their own good...


A full-term pregnancy is 37 to 40 weeks. Babies born at less than 23 weeks and 400 grams (14.11 ounces) in weight are not considered viable, and 70% of all babies born at 23 weeks die, according to the US National Institutes of Health.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
ah, um, how bout ...FETUS!!!!..

what is this?,,1st grade??

So Jordan if you are married to a woman and she is pregnant to you go around telling people you are having a fetus? "We are pregnant with a fetus"
well..for one thing..I dont say "WE are pregnant"..

so I might say .."We are going to have a baby"..or " My wife is pregnant"....

if I said "we have a baby,but its still inside of my wife",,then people would laugh and think that was a funny thing to say...simple enough for you??
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
The smear machine is in full motion. This is much worse than the McCain campaign smears on Obama.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
The smear machine is in full motion. This is much worse than the McCain campaign smears on Obama.

but- but, but,she started it, LOL...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
seriously? she layed the smack-down last night.


as PM says? she energised the base.

no question of that. but you reap what you sow.

i started readin up on her a few minutes befor eshe was announced. i didn't post most of what i found cuz i was hoping she really is change too. but quite frankly? what i've found is politics as usual...

she's managed to get herself elected three times, and her success amounts to less than half a million votes.

in 2004? there were 190,000 registered GOPs and 111,000 registered Dems...

how politically educated does that make her? that's a lock for any GOP isn't it?

her town that she was mayor of? 5000 people...

let's get real here. Memphis TN has as many people as the whole state of Alaska...
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Glass, sometimes I wonder if it is better for a small town mayor to give it a shot instead of some big flashy city.

Memphis...no offense glass but I have driven through there before and didnt feel comfortable at all.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
September 4, 2008
Palin speech pulls in $8 million — for Obama
Posted: 05:19 PM ET

From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser

(CNN) – Barack Obama's campaign says it has raised more than $8 million from over 130,000 donors following Republican VP candidate Sarah Palin's speech Wednesday night.

The campaign also says it is on track to raise $10 million before John McCain takes the podium at the Republican National Convention tonight.

Filed under: Barack Obama

Seems like the Palin speech energized more than just the Republican Base.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Glass, sometimes I wonder if it is better for a small town mayor to give it a shot instead of some big flashy city.

Memphis...no offense glass but I have driven through there before and didnt feel comfortable at all.

i'm not being critical of the town.

here's the difference, and here's why i said she has no clue what she's gotten herself into...

she has "managed" the media in Alaska... BFD..

the national media is nothing like the local newspapers or even the Anchorage Daily News which i quoted above..

i found a local newspaper interview with her where she talks about when her water broke for the baby...

she gave the interviews and the details, its not like these newspapers have been out to "get her" cuz she's a GOP in a very heavy GOP state that has tolerated huge corruption for years...

her handlers have not allowed her to speak with ANY media on her own since the announcement..

there's a reason for that..

her handlers were complaining about press questions about her water breaking in Texas and her flying home afterwards...

the "thing" is? SHE is the one who told the newspapers about this stuff...

so why wouldn't the press ask more questions?

her handlers are freaked out cuz they know they have real trouble on their hands...

she's just not ready for prime time yet...

furthermore? there's quite a few other GOP women who actually are ready for prime time and McCain skipped them...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
LOL:


someone edited Sarah Palin's Wikipedia page Friday just before the word got out that she was John McCain's pick for a running mate. The edits were obviously made to make Palin look good. There were about 30 of them, made by one person.


http://valleywag.com/5043886/sarah-palins-wikipedia-page-scrubbed
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
You have to admit...republican or democrat that there is a huge smear campaign going on with her. Trying to bring up a DUI 22 years ago from her husband...give me a break. Poking at her town where she is from. Saying she cant be a mother and VP at the same time, as if Bill Clinton wasnt able to juggle his women on the side while being a husband and father.

This is just getting out of control, and certain media outlets both online, and print are just slamming her. So much in fact that im beginning to feel more strongly about voting for McCain. It also exhibits nervousness. If they werent so worried why **** and attack so much online.

You see mass opponents to Obama but they are not this nasty to him.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Palin aides peeked into trooper's files, union saysStory Highlights
State police union files ethics complaint against Palin

Palin or aides saw protected files, union chief alleges

Files were on Palin former brother-in-law, an Alaska state trooper

Palin aide on paid leave during investigation

Next Article in Politics »


From Matt Smith and Scott Bronstein
CNN


(CNN) -- Aides to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin improperly obtained her former brother-in-law's state police personnel files and cited information from those records to raise complaints about the officer, the head of Alaska's state police union said Thursday.


Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has put an aide on leave during a probe into the firing of the public safety commissioner.

"It's apparent to us that the governor or someone on her staff had direct access to his personnel file, as well as his workers' comp file, and those are protected," said John Cyr, executive director of the Alaska Public Safety Employees Association.

Palin, now the Republican candidate for vice president, is battling allegations that she sacked her public safety commissioner in July because he refused to fire Trooper Mike Wooten, her sister's ex-husband. The governor has denied any wrongdoing.

In an ethics complaint filed Wednesday, the union names the governor and three aides, one of whom cited Wooten's records in a tape-recorded call to a state police lieutenant in February. And the former commissioner, Walt Monegan, said he believes his refusal to fire Wooten led to his firing.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/04/palin.investigation/index.html?iref=mpsto ryview
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
LOL:


someone edited Sarah Palin's Wikipedia page Friday just before the word got out that she was John McCain's pick for a running mate. The edits were obviously made to make Palin look good. There were about 30 of them, made by one person.


http://valleywag.com/5043886/sarah-palins-wikipedia-page-scrubbed

Yup, those were traced back to the McCain camp. Nothing Obama wouldnt have done or didnt do already.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
We know her stand on guns, polar bears, abortion, teaching creationism in public schools, that the climate change is not man made, drilling for oil& gas on the North Slope to make Alaskan's richer but what about forgein policy, the economy, Healthcare the real meat and potatoes issues.

How can anyone support her candidacy without know about these key issues.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
At least Palin is not affiliated with Rev. Wright ( Christian version of Farrakhan, a black supremacist and deeply anti-Semitic)
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
At least Palin is not affiliated with Rev. Wright ( Christian version of Farrakhan, a black supremacist and deeply anti-Semitic)

See there's the BS again. Obama went to his CHURCH. Doesn't subscribe to the Rev veiws and has said so publically.

It's all guilt by association. So then going off of that association. Since Palin and McCain know and support President Bush they are as guilty as him for the mess this country is in.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
How Palin changed the race Jim VandeHei, John F. Harris
Thu Sep 4, 5:13 PM ET



ST. PAUL, Minn. — Until Wednesday night, many political professionals were whispering that there was a good chance that in picking Sarah Palin as his running mate John McCain had lost the election.

ADVERTISEMENT

And some of them thought that with his last-minute, seemingly impulsive selection of a little-known and little-experienced governor he had lost his mind.

It’s as true on Thursday afternoon as it was on Wednesday that Palin is a risky pick. The public — and no doubt the McCain campaign as well — still doesn’t know what it doesn’t know about Palin, whose personal and public record in Alaska is still being raked by reporters and opposition researchers.

But in the space of one 36-minute speech by Palin, McCain proved that his choice was not a lapse into temporary (or even permanent) insanity. The speech’s political significance goes far beyond the fact that Palin showed herself capable of delivering a spirited reading of words that other people wrote.

Just as Barack Obama’s 2004 convention speech transformed his career, Palin’s speech has the potential to transform the dynamic of this race — in some ways that are obvious and some not:

• McCain is liberated

It is hard to overstate how underwhelmed most Republicans are by McCain and the current cast of GOP leaders. This was especially true of social conservatives, many of them religious evangelicals, who are most thrilled by Palin.

Now that Palin has cleared the bar — truth be told, a fairly modest one — of delivering an effective speech, McCain has much more flexibility to follow his own instincts.

He can play up reformist rhetoric and play down socially conservative ideology — the exact combination that in 2004 had some liberal commentators hoping McCain would abandon the GOP and go on the Democratic ticket.

Before Wednesday night, McCain was in big trouble when it comes to mobilizing conservative faithful. Now, Palin can help the party organize and turn out the same base of Christian evangelicals, Second Amendment supporters and abortion-rights opponents that proved instrumental to the back-to-back George W. Bush victories.

Before Wednesday night, McCain had little room for error with the right. They measured every word and made him pay for straying too far on the issues they care most about. Now, McCain can stretch and twist like a yoga instructor.

The key to watch in Thursday night’s acceptance speech is how McCain uses this new freedom —particularly his newfound ability to put even more distance between himself and a deeply unpopular president. It was no accident that the immediate response to Palin’s speech from the Obama campaign was to try to link her and McCain back to Bush.

• A competing storyline

Palin hasn’t seen the last of stories looking for contradictions or flaws in her record, or suggesting that her accomplishments or intellect are as substantial as a souffle.

But by presenting an engaging side of herself and her family, she ensured that those stories, written mainly by political and investigative reporters, will be countered by other stories written mainly by lifestyle reporters.

People magazine reporters and bookers for "The View" and "Oprah" will be watching Palin with a lot more interest than they will be watching Joe Biden. In Palin's own way, her story and rapid rise are as arresting to the mass audience as Obama’s.

And many voters in these big audiences likely will swoon for a telegenic hockey mom who eats moose she kills herself. You can’t make this stuff up. Her story is made for TV, glossy mags and the big screen.

A mother of five with a pregnant daughter. A ruggedly handsome husband who drills oil and races snowmobiles. She hunts. She fishes. She runs.

She is now a curiosity in a good way. That means big crowds at events and attention from people who otherwise might have ignored a more traditional ticket of two, old, rich, white Republican men who promise to kill terrorists and cut taxes.

None of this proves she understands the complexities of world threats or can endure the stress of office. But she at least gets more time to make her case. Before Wednesday night, she was only one or two news cycles away from irretrievably losing control of her public image.

• The hatchet man wears a skirt

Palin’s speech was a jackhammer of partisan shots and sarcastic digs. That is the traditional role of vice presidential nominees. But she performed that role with a smile and folksy humor, coming off like a younger, Republican version of the late Texas Gov. Ann Richards.

McCain needs Palin to tear into Obama and Biden in speeches, debates and media appearances. She showed she can do it, at least when given time to prep.

It remains to be seen how effective she can be in more improvisational settings. Biden has weathered national campaigns and controversies; she has not. Biden has traveled the world, mixed it up with tough foreign leaders and mastered the complexities of global threats; she has not. Biden has studied virtually every national issue and debated them; she has not.

But she has shown a willingness and talent for tough talk. And it will be harder than usual for Democrats to attack back. Republicans will charge sexism at every turn. They will call women to her side to amplify their case. They will shame the media. Many of these complaints will be unfair — but some of it will probably be effective.

• Republicans can play identity group politics too

This brand of politics — voters who support a candidate not because of what that person has done in public life but because of the symbolism of the candidate's personal story — is a big part of why Obama is the Democratic nominee. With Palin, the GOP showed that it, too, can play this game.

Tom DeLay, the former House majority leader, told us this week that his wife, who is even more conservative than he is, doesn’t think much of McCain. But she loves Palin, perhaps enough to get her to now back the GOP ticket. He said he was astonished how Palin has woken “the sleeping giant: Republican women.”

It is the talk of the hallways, in the convention and nationwide. Women, especially Republican women, were thrilled by the Palin speech. Already, the campaign is reporting a huge surge in fundraising. The bigger question is whether this will translate into a huge surge at the polls. Republicans get clobbered in national elections when it comes to the women’s vote. One way to narrow the gender gap is to juice turnout among your own people. Palin could do that. Another way is to juice turnout among female swing voters.

That’s still a tall order for Palin, but not the laughable one it was before Wednesday night.

Harris reported from St. Paul; VandeHei from Washington.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
See there's the BS again. Obama went to his CHURCH. Doesn't subscribe to the Rev veiws and has said so publically.
Give me a break! Obama said that Wright was his mentor!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
See there's the BS again. Obama went to his CHURCH. Doesn't subscribe to the Rev veiws and has said so publically.
Give me a break! Obama said that Wright was his mentor!
yeah and what is Bush to McCain?

 -

you know what's funny propman? you voted for Hillary right? LOL...
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Rather have Bush than rev wright! Have you ever seen his "sermons" on youtube? I am not a Bush supporter by the way so lets make that clear, and I am not saying Bush and McCain dont like to see eye to eye.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
WASILLA -- Back in 1996, when she first became mayor, Sarah Palin asked the city librarian if she would be all right with censoring library books should she be asked to do so.

According to news coverage at the time, the librarian said she would definitely not be all right with it. A few months later, the librarian, Mary Ellen Emmons, got a letter from Palin telling her she was going to be fired. The censorship issue was not mentioned as a reason for the firing. The letter just said the new mayor felt Emmons didn't fully support her and had to go.


http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Fascist swine,whats next a public book burning
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
CCW,

You keep telling us you are not a republican and you insist you aren't "a Bush supporter" and you declare repeatedly that you haven't decided whether to vote for Obama or McCain, but, frankly, none of that shows, even an itsy bitsy tiny little bit.

Indeed, you almost gleefully applaud and declare to be positive anything any republican says, insisting it is true and good, while declaring anything said by democrats or favorable to democrats to be not true.

If you truly represent the undecided, then this thing is done and will b a landslide for McCain......a third Bush term is upon us.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
Fascist swine,whats next a public book burning

That "other" form of cronyism rears its head again in the political history of our beautiful "girl Chaney from the far north".
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i don't see the smear campaign CCM...

i hear the GOP handlers saying smear, but the smear hasn't even started.

i have yet to post everything i've found, and i am talking about stuff written and posted before she announced...

smearing is about telling lies IMO...

this is just the beginning... and that's also what i meant about her not understanding what she's gotten herself into....


in Alaska? the neswpapers were her buddies... this is the national spotlight, she picked it, there's no way out now...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
if anything? her speech last night was a smear campaign, as was Rudy's...
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Rev. Wright is popping up again?

You guys ever go to a black church 300 years of racial repression comes out I garrunty that if whites lived in a nation where they suffered the same repression. Attitudes,reactions,and life style according to circumstances would be the same as in the black community today. Which means church would be a place where they would vent.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Who's gonna lower our taxes and cut government spending? That's who I'm voting for.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Who's gonna lower our taxes and cut government spending? That's who I'm voting for.

Sarah Palin raised taxes on oil co's in Alaska and gave the money out in checks....

is that a smear? or the truth?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
note the date:

Sunday, August 10, 2008 - Page updated at 12:00 AM

Windfall tax lets Alaska rake in billions from Big Oil

While Congress and the presidential candidates debate the wisdom of a windfall tax on oil companies, Alaska has already imposed one, hauling in billions of dollars in new revenue for the state treasury.


Republicans in Congress this June united to defeat a proposed windfall tax on oil companies, deriding it as a bad idea that would discourage investment in U.S. oil exploration.

Things worked out far differently in the GOP stronghold of Alaska, a state whose economic fate is closely tied to the oil industry.

Over the opposition of oil companies, Republican Gov. Sarah Palin and Alaska's Legislature last year approved a major increase in taxes on the oil industry — a step that has generated stunning new wealth for the state as oil prices soared.

At a time when Americans are feeling the pinch at the gasoline pump and oil companies are racking up record profits, Alaska's choice foreshadows one of the sharpest debates in the upcoming presidential election.

Alaska collected an estimated $6 billion from the new tax during the fiscal year that ended June 30, according to the Alaska Oil and Gas Association. That helped push the state's total oil revenue — from new and existing taxes, as well as royalties — to more than $10 billion, double the amount received last year.


Palin's administration last week gained legislative approval for a special $1,200 payment to every Alaskan to help cope with gas prices, which are among the highest in the country.

That check will come on top of the annual dividend of about $2,000 that each resident could receive this year from an oil-wealth savings account


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008103325_alaskatax07.html

smear? or truth?

i'm telling you, a couple of hours searching turns up all kinds of interesting stuff about her...

she is not what you've been told she is, and McCain did not do much background on her...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
So what's the real difference between the two party's?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
So what's the real difference between the two party's?

personalities?
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
I guess you have to vote for whoever you can stomach when there talking on T.V.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Palin: The Iron-Fist Mayor?
By Laura McGann 9/1/08 8:49 PM
WASILLA, Alaska — Earlier today, First Lady Laura Bush urged us to remember Gov. Sarah Palin’s record as mayor of her hometown from 1996-2002 when assessing her experience. I agree.

Driving around this city today, I decided it looks more or less like a string of strip malls, 45 minutes northeast of Anchorage. I couldn’t help but think that being mayor of a place like this would be something akin to running a large neighborhood watch.

The main highway that runs through town is lined with new big-box stores, including a Target and a Wal-Mart. A handful of fast-food chains as well as some local restaurants also sprinkle the main drag. Breathtaking mountains, the peaks still lightly dusted with snow, create a striking backdrop. Despite the chain stores, this small city feels distant from the rest of the world. I’d have guessed Palin would have run the city with a “we’re in this together” theme.

It turns out she had a somewhat different approach. If a small-town mayor ever ruled with an iron fist — it was Palin. Eleven days after taking office in 1996, she mailed letters to each of the city’s top managers requesting that they resign as a test of loyalty.

The Anchorage Daily News at the time reported the strange events: (via Nexis)

Mayor Sarah Palin sent the resignation requests Thursday to Police Chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton, finance director Duane Dvorak and Mary Ellen Emmons, the head of libraries. A fifth director — John Cooper, who oversaw the city museum — resigned earlier this month after Palin eliminated his position.

Cooper initially resisted resigning, but to no avail. Palin also later fired the police chief, saying she knew in her “heart” that he did not support her. She left the head of libraries a letter saying she was out — though Palin later decided to spare the librarian after being convinced that she would tow the line.

The whole saga is unusual — considering Palin prides herself on being independent and seems to enjoy butting heads with her own party. But, this sounds like she requires fierce loyalty of those who work for her.

I’m still reporting on Palin’s time as mayor. More to come soon

http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3767/palin-involved-in-ousting-scandals-fro m-the-start
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
and we thought Hillary was tough. lol
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I guess you have to vote for whoever you can stomach when there talking on T.V.

Mccain is giving a good speech right now...

he's not smearing, he's talking about how people should treat each other with respect.


big change from last night [Wink]

'course the cheering is a little more subdued too [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Who's gonna lower our taxes and cut government spending? That's who I'm voting for.

Can't lower our taxes if the GOP keeps spending... the Dems do tend to raise taxes but that is reactive to what the GOP leaves behind.. under Reagan and Bush Jr? ... the biggest deficits we ever had... so I guess your not voting for neither party because one raises taxes (for just cause) and the other one spends like a whore in a drug den...
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
See there's the BS again. Obama went to his CHURCH. Doesn't subscribe to the Rev veiws and has said so publically.
Give me a break! Obama said that Wright was his mentor!
exactly, and didnt wright marry obama and michelle? Well that argument goes out the window.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Excerpts From Barack Obama's press conference on Reverend Jeremiah Wright. Scroll down for video and read updates from AP here:

I'm outraged by the comments that were made and saddened by the spectacle that we saw yesterday. I have been a member of Trinity United Church of Christ since 1992 and have known Jeremiah Wright for almost 22 years. The person I saw yesterday was not the person I met 20 years ago. His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but they also give comfort to those that prey on hate and I believe they do not accurately portray the perspective of the black church. They certainly do not accurately portray my values and beliefs. If Reverend Wright thinks that is political posturing on my part, he does not know me very well.


I have already denounced those comments that have come out of these previous sermons. I gave him the benefit of the doubt in my speech in Philadelphia, explaining that he has done enormous good in the church, has built a wonderful conversation. They are a wonderful people and what attracted me has always been the ministries reach beyond church walls. But when he states and then amplifies such ridiculous propositions, that the U.S. government is involved in AIDS, when he suggests that Louis Farrakhan represents one of the greatest voices of the 21st century, when he equates the United States' wartime effort with terrorism, then there are no excuses. They offend me, they rightfully offend all Americans, and they should be denounced. That is what I am doing very clearly and unequivocally here today.


I have spent my entire adult life trying to bridge the gap between different kinds of people. That's in my DNA, trying to promote mutual understanding to insist that we all share common hopes and common dreams as Americans and as human beings. That's who I am, that's what I believe, and that's what this campaign has been about.


More from Obama's press conference via the New York Times:

"His comments were not only divisive and destructive, but I believe that they end up giving comfort to those who prey on hate, and I believe that they do not portray accurately the perspective of the black church," Mr. Obama said, his voice welling with anger. "They certainly don't portray accurately my values and beliefs."[...]


"I find these comments appalling. It contradicts everything that I'm about and who I am."


During Q and A with reporters, Senator Obama was asked why he hadn't reacted this way when he responded to Wright yesterday. The reporter was referring to Reverend Wright's remarks at the National Press Club on Monday (watch video).

I will be honest, I had not seen it yet. ... What I had heard is that he had given a performance and I thought at that time it would be sufficient to repeat what I said in Philadelphia. Upon watching it, what came clear to me was that it was more than just him defending himself. What became clear is that he was presenting a worldview that contradicts who I am and what I stand for. What particularly angered me was his suggestion that my previous denunciation of his remarks was political posturing. Anybody who knows me or what I am about knows that I am trying to bridge gaps and seize the commonality in all people.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/29/obamas-reverend-wright-pr_n_99215.html
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Wallymac,

Why not just admit that you are 100% behind Osama Obama. Everything you have posted is in opposition to McCain and you are clearly a democrat, whether you can admit it or not.

Everyone with even a single brain cell knows that Obama denounced Wright for political reasons. Obama certainly believes all the radical nonsense, but he can't get elected spewing that leftist hatred in public. Therefore, he publicly distanced himself from Wright. Simple.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
red-neck slumlord...didnt i carpet one of your dumps?
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Jordan, PM says what he does bout Obama for two reasons.

First, everything the jerk says is a direct regurgitation of something fed to him by some far far right-wing propaganda hate campaign or the RNC.

Second, even PM knows that a president McCain will do every thing possible to support the hate he already has and spews asunder for anything and everything that isn't based on the purity of being all white and rich and that a black President Obama will not.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Sarah Palin — an American Margaret Thatcher

Thursday, September 4, 2008 2:30 PM

By: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size



With sass and wit, sarcasm and sincerity, and courage and strength, Sarah Palin last night showed us a new model of female politician.


Her family stories were genuine and real. Her commitment to special-needs children was moving. Her contempt for special interests was obvious. And her putdowns of Barack Obama's rhetoric and her praise of John McCain's character and achievements were welcome and well delivered.


Many women look bad when they attack their opponents, too often seeming strident and shrill. But Palin was funny and irreverant, with a biting wit and a joy of combat that was exhilarating to watch.


Sometimes she reminded us of the hockey mom she is. Other times, she was an American Margaret Thatcher — mobilizing humor and biting satire to mock the opposition.


Where Hillary Clinton has but two speeds — full forward and stop — Palin displayed a range of rhetoric, emotion and language that sometimes evoked moving patriotism, at other times hilarious irony, and, frequently, a strong dose of common sense.


If her style in attacking and mocking her opponent was Thatcher-esque, her range of rhetorical style was Rooseveltian. She is, in fact, one of the best public speakers in our politics today.


Now the Democrats are stuck in a trap. They've demeaned, patronized and smeared a woman who's well on her way to becoming very, very popular. Her speech will create legions of fans; the Democratic smears of the last few days will create, for Obama, legions of enemies.


This man who dedicated two years to stopping a woman from being president now has to answer for spending two months stopping one from becoming vice president — a task he hopes to accomplish using women's votes.


Remember — the swing vote in this election are single moms. Just as the soccer moms dominated in 1996 and security moms in 2004, now unmarried women, mostly with children, will determine the outcome of the 2008 race. And they're finding in Sarah Palin an advocate whose life isn't far different from their own and whose priorities mirror theirs.


As withering in her contempt for the country-club elites of the Republican establishment as for the pandering of the Democrats, Palin stands in stark contrast to the inherited elitism of the Bushes, the Romneys and the Kennedys. She's a woman of the people.


Was this a Republican attacking big oil? Was it the nominee for vice president of a major party who laced into earmarks and lobbyists and PACs? Yes it was — and how refreshing!


In her sincere embrace of her family and her nonjudgmental introduction of her pregnant daughter, Palin won the hearts of many single moms. By evoking life in a modest, middle-class town, she established an empathy with voters akin to what Bill Clinton built when he ate at McDonald's.


How are the Democrats to live down their assaults on Sarah? How not to seem the enemies of the very voters they have to get?


Strategically, Palin achieved the convention's core goal: to show how McCain is not a clone of George Bush, but a man of the people eager for change and demanding of reforms.


Now the gap between Obama and McCain is not so wide. Now it is clear that they both stand for change.


So now the fear of a naive and untried Obama leading the nation through perilous times at home and abroad can work to drive voters over the narrower synapse and get them to vote for McCain.


Mission accomplished, Sarah.


© 2008 Dick Morris & Eileen McGann
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Second, even PM knows that a president McCain will do every thing possible to support the hate he already has and spews asunder for anything and everything that isn't based on the purity of being all white and rich and that a black President Obama will not.
More ridiculous gibberish. You lefties should try to get over your guilt about slavery. You didn't do it and weren't even alive during that period. Slavery is over! Racism is over! Move on and most importantly - QUIT WHINING!

This race is about socialism vs. capitalism. I do not like McCain's (or Bush's) policies on the economy. However, I will probably vote for McCain only because Palin is on the ticket. She's the kind of conservative that I'm looking for as President!
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Second, even PM knows that a president McCain will do every thing possible to support the hate he already has and spews asunder for anything and everything that isn't based on the purity of being all white and rich and that a black President Obama will not.
More ridiculous gibberish. You lefties should try to get over your guilt about slavery. You didn't do it and weren't even alive during that period. Slavery is over! Racism is over! Move on and most importantly - QUIT WHINING!

This race is about socialism vs. capitalism. I do not like McCain's (or Bush's) policies on the economy. However, I will probably vote for McCain only because Palin is on the ticket. She's the kind of conservative that I'm looking for as President!
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
No guilt about it. It happened and and a terrible crime was committed. And never has anything been done about that crime. As a matter of fact there are still millions of vistims still suffering from it.

America will only be on the road to real freedom and justice when all the crimes of society are finally cured and the criminals that are left be interned and pay.

And don't give me any crap about who is the victims the poor are pying right now like the always have prison are full of the uneducated poor and disavantaged. Some wealthy do go but a very small percent.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
Second, even PM knows that a president McCain will do every thing possible to support the hate he already has and spews asunder for anything and everything that isn't based on the purity of being all white and rich and that a black President Obama will not.
More ridiculous gibberish. You lefties should try to get over your guilt about slavery. You didn't do it and weren't even alive during that period. Slavery is over! Racism is over! Move on and most importantly - QUIT WHINING!

This race is about socialism vs. capitalism. I do not like McCain's (or Bush's) policies on the economy. However, I will probably vote for McCain only because Palin is on the ticket. She's the kind of conservative that I'm looking for as President!

Sarah Palin raised taxes on oil co's and GAVE CASH from the state coffers to the people...


.

so don't tell me this ticket is capitalist PM...

that is the very definition of socialism
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Lockman,

I keep reading tales of how Palin fires anyone who doesn't 100% back whatever she wants. And it's not just a single or even just a couple couple of times. It i clear that this is a standard practice in her administrative philosophy. (Now, realize, she isn't operating a private business or enterprise, though from her remarks it sounds if she thinks it is.) It's wrong!

Folks that serve the public, in a public position, conduct the buiness of the public, and are supposed to be protected from that sort of terror. It is the person that holds the power to hire and fire that is entrusted with that responsibility! That is an essential function of any government official and, clearly, one with which Sarah Palin has refused to comply, much like the republicans already in our Nation's Administration. I'm not at all willing to accept another edition of that lack of moral and civic responsibility with McCain/Palin and I don't think the public is either.

It amounts to simple abuse of power when a public official uses his (or her) trust, that the public has placed with him, by using the hiring or firing process to assemble people around him that will rubber stamp whatever he wants to do, particularly when what he wants it amounts to installing party first rule of our Government (and that is Palin's history). And it is not legal!

You can't make this woman into a sweet lovable people person that can be trusted to carry out the will of the people, efficiently, and without bias or bigotry. She simply isn't such a person, down deep inside, next to and inside her bones, deeper then beauty, which is only skin deep, goes.

The will of the people is tired of public officials operating our government as an illegal political training ground for one party republican rule that ignores the Constitution. This isn't the 1920s, it isn't Germany, and we don't want more fascism here. We've had enough from dubya's crap already!


So don't bother pumping lies about another unethical administrator and understand your pile of lies will not make her an acceptable president, which is exactly what she surely will be withing the very near future should an emotionally flawed 72 year old cancer prone war monger win the election.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Palin fires anyone who doesn't 100% back whatever she wants

Hillary and Bush too [Wink]
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Hey Glassman when did you become a lefty? lol
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Palin fires anyone who doesn't 100% back whatever she wants

Hillary and Bush too [Wink]

No your wrong Hillary has them take a long walk in the park. lol
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Lockman,

I keep reading tales of how Palin fires anyone who doesn't 100% back whatever she wants. And it's not just a single or even just a couple couple of times. It i clear that this is a standard practice in her administrative philosophy. (Now, realize, she isn't operating a private business or enterprise, though from her remarks it sounds if she thinks it is.) It's wrong!

Folks that serve the public, in a public position, conduct the buiness of the public, and are supposed to be protected from that sort of terror. It is the person that holds the power to hire and fire that is entrusted with that responsibility! That is an essential function of any government official and, clearly, one with which Sarah Palin has refused to comply, much like the republicans already in our Nation's Administration. I'm not at all willing to accept another edition of that lack of moral and civic responsibility with McCain/Palin and I don't think the public is either.

It amounts to simple abuse of power when a public official uses his (or her) trust, that the public has placed with him, by using the hiring or firing process to assemble people around him that will rubber stamp whatever he wants to do, particularly when what he wants it amounts to installing party first rule of our Government (and that is Palin's history). And it is not legal!

You can't make this woman into a sweet lovable people person that can be trusted to carry out the will of the people, efficiently, and without bias or bigotry. She simply isn't such a person, down deep inside, next to and inside her bones, deeper then beauty, which is only skin deep, goes.

The will of the people is tired of public officials operating our government as an illegal political training ground for one party republican rule that ignores the Constitution. This isn't the 1920s, it isn't Germany, and we don't want more fascism here. We've had enough from dubya's crap already!


So don't bother pumping lies about another unethical administrator and understand your pile of lies will not make her an acceptable president, which is exactly what she surely will be withing the very near future should an emotionally flawed 72 year old cancer prone war monger win the election.

Funny I keep reading about how wonderful she is.
Guess it depends what bl*g you read.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
I guess Bl*g has become a four letter word we can't use. lol
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Hey Glassman when did you become a lefty? lol

i'm for the Truth Lockman. i don't have a horse in this race.

here's why.

if Obama wins? the Dems control the whole shooting match.

they'll piss people off bad enough that they'll lose the House in two years and the Senate in 4 or 6....

if McCain wins? we'll have what i consider the perfect balance for getting good laws on the books and overall progress in the society...

i would prefer the latter, but we have a real problem if Palin ends up in the white house. people are reacting to what they've been told she is, but i spent enough time reading about her to have a pretty good idea what she is, and it isn't what we've been told.

i don't beleive McCain can win just because he says he is for change this week....

he's had a good career. but he is talking like he's goingto cut the Govt budget too harshly too fast. if he gets elected for saying that? and he doesn't do it? is that honest?
and if he does do it? we are in trouble...

the news today was specific. the Govt is the only place that isn't bleeding jobs... that's why a large govt is actually a stabilising "anchor" to a strong economy...

you may not like it, but that's the truth.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I guess Bl*g has become a four letter word we can't use. lol

it always was here, and when i do research i skip right over them...

Palin gets hits like crazy in the Anchorage Daily News, which is a newspaper that has basically been GOP friendly and Palin friendly.

AK had 110,000 Dem and 190,000 GOP votes in 2004... it's a very GOP friendly state...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Wallymac,

Why not just admit that you are 100% behind Osama Obama. Everything you have posted is in opposition to McCain and you are clearly a democrat, whether you can admit it or not.

Everyone with even a single brain cell knows that Obama denounced Wright for political reasons. Obama certainly believes all the radical nonsense, but he can't get elected spewing that leftist hatred in public. Therefore, he publicly distanced himself from Wright. Simple.

Once again you are showing that you are incapable of either doing proper DD or that you read what you want.

Not once have I posted negatively regarding McCain, in fact I have stated that I rather like him. What I have posted is rebuttal to information that IMO, refutes incorrect information. As far as Sarah Palin, I have posted what I found in doing my research about a political unknown that is running for the second highest office in this country.

For me, I need to know more than she supports abortion and guns for her to qualify. There are some very real dangers ahead for this country not only economically but particularly in Foreign Affairs. Research to me means more than reading what either party puts out, since they both lie. One needs to dig deeper.

The only reason I appear to support Obama at this point is because he has been much more specific and detailed reagarding his agenda than the Republican ticket has.

I have stated my apprehension as regard to the Dem ticket and will add that I agree with Glass regarding one party having control of congress and the White House at the same time. The fact is that Palin is biggest reason I have trouble fully supporting McCain.

I have a bigger problem with the GOP in general since it seems that they want to present things in a hypocritical manner.

I don't use divise terminology nor do I practice childhood word plays to demean either candidate or their running mates. I do the research post what I find, debunk the untruths that I find because just like the Stock's not everything you read on a message board is true.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i beleive McCain "hired" Palin to energise the GOP base.

he would have lost because they would not even show to vote for him...

Palin is being represented as having credentials that she just does not have....


here's some info to read, that is not a b-log:

http://gov.state.ak.us/archive-16645.html

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE No. 06-016

Governor Vetoes HB4001 Vows to Work with Legislature on Solution

December 28, 2006, Juneau, Alaska – Governor Sarah Palin vetoed HB4001 late this afternoon, under the authority vested in her by Article 11, Section 15 of the Alaska Constitution. This is the Governor’s first veto.

“The Department of Law advised me that this bill, HB4001, is unconstitutional given the recent Court order of December 19th, mandating same-sex benefits,” said Governor Sarah Palin. “With that in mind, signing this bill would be in direct violation of my oath of office.”

HB4001 passed during the special session of the Legislature in the final month of the Murkowski administration. The bill prohibited the commissioner of the department of administration from adopting same-sex regulations, allowing them to become law, or implementing them. In the Department of Law opinion passed along to the Governor, Attorney General Talis Colberg writes, “the bill… effectively eliminated the regulatory process as a way to comply with the Court’s order to provide same-sex domestic partner benefits for state employees and members of state retirement systems.” Colberg further states that the December 19, 2006 order is “legally sufficient to authorize the commission of administration to expand state employee health benefits or change the retirement systems to provide benefits for same-sex domestic partners.”


i beleive the "joke" may be on the party hard-liners here...

thing is? i don't think being a mayor of 5000 person town and the Governor of Alaska (or Texas) makes you ready to be president...

the Senate banded together three years ago and set themselves up as the most likely to take over...i saw this develop as it happened... they have the Presidency sewn up before the election even happens...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
here's another good resource for learning about her:

http://aprn.org/2007/07/17/sitkas-performing-arts-space-scaling-back-in-wake-of- funding-veto/

Sitka’s performing arts space scaling back in wake of funding veto

Tue, July 17, 2007
Posted in Alaska News

Sitka’s new High School auditorium and Performing Arts Center is nearing completion. But it won’t get as close to being done as backers had hoped. That’s because Governor Sarah Palin vetoed an $800,000 legislative appropriation that was intended to help finish the facility.

Ed Schoenfeld, CoastAlaska - Juneau


an unb-log resource


Palin releases evidence of pressure on Public Safety surrounding Wooten / Monegan

Wed, August 13, 2008
Posted in Alaska News, Top Stories


Governor Palin today made public some of the documents the Department of Law has accumulated during its internal investigation of the firing of former Public Safety commissioner Walt Monegan. The Department is investigating the firing to determine if there was undue pressure on Monegan and others in his department to fire state Trooper Mike Wooten. Palin says some of her staff’s contacts with Monegan could have been taken as coming at her direction — although, she says, she did not authorize them.

Dave Donaldson, APRN - Juneau



http://aprn.org/page/3/?s=palin
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I was recently talking with the husband of my cousin. He has been a City Planner for many years. He currently is working for a small city in Southern California. He has told me that whenever there are new elections he has to put out feelers for another job. Firings in small city government are the norm when new administrations come into power.

According to him, small city government is the most political and petty of all Government.
 
Posted by IWISHIHAD on :
 
I will tell you one thing Wallymac i have my doubts about our state protective industries in CA.

Juat came from a conferance meeting with the labor board about unpaid wages for my wife.

This has taken her 6 months to get to the conferance since quitting her job.

It was definantly pro business even though the agency is suppose to be there to protect the employee.

The company had a lawyer there to represent them who made my wife an offer before we even got to the hearing.

When we got to the hearing they made the same offer at which time my wife asked what the offer was based on, they have no clue because there is no argument that the money is owed and the offer was much less.

You are suppose to get your wages plus one month pay for the first month, the state gets 10%
interest on all unpaid money until it is settled which sucks.

The first thing the conferance officer said to me is that they usually do not allow anyone with the defendent unless it's an attorney but she would allow me to stay if i would not say anything.

Of course the other side has no stipulations.

This person in charge started out by jumping on my wife because the officer in charge said there was no documentation stating my wife's case.

My wife sent it in with her reply and told the person in charge that she had, this person finally looked and found it.

The big thing to this whole labor dispute is that there has never been an argument that the company does not owe what she turn in, it is just that they do not pay.

The hearing officer started right off by saying there is nothing concrete by the state saying that we cannot accept an offer excluding the 1 month penalty pay that the state requires a company to pay if they do not pay wages owed within one month.

This whole system seems to be pro business now and for the person that is really struggling, business will win every time and short this person what is owed.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
I have been to anchorge about 6 times and Palmer.
Also several eskimo villages in my life.

I have actually talked to some of the people up there who supported sucsession strange bunch.

One thing most of them over look is that Alaskans live on federal money it made that state and Alaska would dry up with out it.The oil money is just Icing on the cake.

I do not see the frontier spirit that they talk about at least anymore than other people have from other states.

If anything I see a bunch of beer bellied people from a long winter of laying on there can and drinking beer. Then its outside for the summer and a heart attack for some from a walk in the park.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
IWISHIHAD:

The labor board has been a joke for quite sometime.
 
Posted by Highwaychild on :
 
What's the difference between Bush and Palin? ...Lipstick!
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
you got that right Highway. I can't see anythinking women voting for her.Her stance on abortion is like riding in a time machine going back 200 hundred years.

If she gets in I hope the public library books are safe
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Highwaychild:
What's the difference between Bush and Palin? ...Lipstick!

i noticed she pronounced nuclear as nukular the first speech, but in her acceptance speech? they put new-clear on her teleprompter so she wouldn't do it again...

she also beleives that the Iraq mission is God's plan?
go to 3:35 here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9tJX-e24iQ
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Well I missed Gods mission thank you Glass food for more dd on good old caribou barbie lord of the tundra
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
her Church:

http://wasillaag.org/index.php?nid=3720&s=au


What is the "Assemblies of God?"
The Assemblies of God was formed out of the pentecostal revivals of the early 1900's. It is a movement and a fellowship, established for furthering the work of God throughout the world. Today there is over 12,000 Assembly of God churches in the US, with more all around the world. To read more, we encourage to visit
www.ag.org.


http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1536744
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
OK, the lies are begining to show thru:

Sarah Palin didn't sell the Jet on ebay... she put it on ebay, but it didn't sell...

and when it sold? it was sold at a 600,000$ loss not a gain as was touted at the convention....

again? note the date, this was published a year before Palin was "hired"

Jet That Helped Defeat an Alaska Governor Is Sold

By WILLIAM YARDLEY
Published: August 25, 2007

It grounded one governor and did not exactly fly off the shelf on eBay, but the jet that came to symbolize the troubles of the former Alaska governor Frank H. Murkowski has landed with a new owner.

A businessman from Valdez, Alaska, Larry Reynolds, paid $2.1 million this week for the state-owned Westwind II jet that Mr. Murkowskis successor, Gov. Sarah S. Palin, promised to purge from the state inventory when she ran against Mr. Murkowski last fall in the Republican primary.

Mr. Murkowskis office tried to obtain money from the Homeland Security Department to buy the jet, saying it would help defend, deter or defeat opposition forces. He was denied. Later, in 2005, against the wishes of the Legislature, Mr. Murkowski used state money to buy it for $2.7 million.


http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/25/us/25jet.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
bridge to nowhere? just say no? LOL:


When she was running for governor in 2006, Palin said she was insulted by the term "bridge to nowhere," according to Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein, a Democrat, and Mike Elerding, a Republican who was Palin's campaign coordinator in the southeast Alaska city.

"People are learning that she pandered to us by saying, I'm for this' ... and then when she found it was politically advantageous for her nationally, abruptly she starts using the very term that she said was insulting," Weinstein said.

Palin's spokeswoman in Alaska was not immediately available to comment.

National fury over the bridge caused Congress to remove the earmark designation, but Alaska was still granted an equivalent amount of transportation money to be used at its own discretion.
The state, however, never gave back any of the money that was originally earmarked for the Gravina Island bridge, said Weinstein and Elerding.

In fact, the Palin administration has spent "tens of millions of dollars" in federal funds to start building a road on Gravina Island that is supposed to link up to the yet-to-be-built bridge, Weinstein said.


http://www.reuters.com/article/vcCandidateFeed7/idUSN3125537020080901


yeah, she's stopping wasteful spending alright [Roll Eyes]


07-192

Gravina Access Project Redirected

September 21, 2007, Juneau, Alaska - Governor Sarah Palin today directed the Department of Transportation and Public Facilities to look for the most fiscally responsible alternative for access to the Ketchikan airport and Gravina Island instead of proceeding any further with the proposed $398 million bridge.
“Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer,” said Governor Palin. “Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island,” Governor Palin added. “Much of the public’s attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here. But we need to focus on what we can do, rather than fight over what has happened.” The Department of Transportation has approximately $36 million in federal funds that will become available for other projects with the shutdown of the Gravina Island bridge project. Governor Palin has directed Commissioner Leo von Scheben to review transportation projects statewide to prepare a list of possible uses for the funds, while the department also looks for a more affordable answer for Gravina Island access.


http://gov.state.ak.us/archive-28635.html
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
I think with all the dirt that is coming out on Palin nobdy will have to attack her.

She will most likley dig her own grave that is the thought of some folks.

She may just resign.

That can happen remember Thomas Eagleton was a democratic VP for 18 days different circumstances but was not good for the ticket
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
as i browse the official Alaska press archive? i get alot of missing page errors...
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Sounds like a George Orwell novel to me a little like 1984.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i find that she pushed pretty hard to get oil taxes raised considerably:


Governor Palin Announces Special Session to Revisit Oil Taxes

August 3, 2007, Juneau, Alaska - Saying Alaskans must have confidence in the integrity of the state’s oil tax structure, Governor Sarah Palin today announced her intention to call the Legislature into special session starting October 18, 2007, to reconsider the Petroleum Profits Tax (PPT) it passed last year.

Due in part to the public corruption probe, Governor Palin directed the Department of Revenue to review the performance of PPT. The department has completed a Status Report on the Implementation of PPT, released today. The report concludes:

PPT is resulting in far less revenue than was estimated in the fiscal notes prepared in support of the bill. Companies are reporting far greater costs than were predicted when PPT passed. Exploration companies are getting less value from the credits included in PPT than was expected due to the limited market of taxpayers willing to buy the credits.
The Governor has directed the Department of Revenue to prepare a proposal to respond to the substantive deficiencies with PPT


http://gov.state.ak.us/archive-20914.html
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
What can anybody say I read an article that Hillary is not going after her she will be on the attack against McCain.

I feel with Palin is you give her the rope and she will hang herself.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
wow, i just found an interesting b-log page from last year. it's obviously wrotten by one of her enemies, but it might provide some good directions to look:


Just who in the world is Sarah Palin to demand answers from anyone?

This is a person who got elected by not answering questions and who continues to govern in the same manner.


First, her administration has taken spending to record levels after promising to cut the budget. In fact, even after approving a record operating budget, she eagerly supported a twenty million dollar entitlement program and never bothered to explain how she was going to pay for it. Second, she has been silent on Shell Oil’s predicament in the Beaufort Sea. Third, I wouldn’t call excluding the producers from bidding on AGIA while proposing to raise oil taxes for the third time in three years as pro-development.

We are quickly progressing to a point where Palin’s lack of knowledge about the economy and her addiction to press grabs will become more than simply annoying, it could become crippling to Alaska’s economy.

To add insult to injury, the latest global rankings from Woods-MacKenzie rank Alaska 87th out of the top 103 oil & gas markets as far as fiscal stability. (June 2007 Report, Executive Summary, Appendix: Fiscal Terms Index--pp. 18-19)

But yet Palin's approach is to raise taxes for the third time in three years.

In fact, the state takes four different types of taxes from oil companies. Property taxes, production taxes, royalties and corporate income taxes. Alaska's tax take is currently 61%, Palin's proposal would lift that to 68%.



http://www.andrewhalcro.com/sept_28_palin_ppt_and_alaskas_economic_future


these guys REALLY don't like her, better ignore them [Big Grin]
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
nice find glass I think McCain will start feeling some pains of regret
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
well it is a b-log..

i see why she's popular, she gave people money, but i'm seeing some oil people that are real unhappy with her..

she said in her speech that she has started a natural gas pipeline, the project is called the AGIA:

August 1, 2008, Juneau, Alaska – Governor Sarah Palin today thanked lawmakers for passing House Bill 3001, legislation that authorizes the administration to award the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) license to TransCanada Alaska (“TC Alaska”) to permit, develop and build a 1,715-mile natural gas pipeline from a natural gas treatment plant at Prudhoe Bay on the North Slope to the Alberta Hub in Canada. “This is a historic day in Alaska,” Governor Palin said. “Alaska’s potential to continue providing a safe, secure and domestic source of energy is great. I am proud of the hard work that went into this process from both the gasline team and the legislature. And I thank all our legislators for their tireless efforts.”

http://www.gov.state.ak.us/news.php?id=1375

project cost is estimated at 40 billion$...
i'm trying to figure out who "owns" it when they are done? i suppose the state owns it?

Distance-sensitive rates for Alaskans. TC Alaska has committed to “distance-sensitive” rates for Alaska’s gas. TC Alaska’s proposed distance-sensitive rates ensure that Alaskans will pay just the costs incurred to ship gas from the North Slope to one of the five off-take points within Alaska; unlike today when Alaskans pay the competitive price on the world markets.

i guess TransCanada keeps it and charges for gas delivery?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
hmmmm... this article appeared just before the vote:

Former governors pan AGIA
Hickel, Knowles have own ideas about how to develop state's gas

By Pat Forgey | JUNEAU EMPIRE

Two former governors provided sharply contrasting views Monday on Gov. Sarah Palin's Alaska Gasline Inducement Act, though neither Republican Wally Hickel nor Democrat Tony Knowles supported it.

Hickel urged a vote against the gas pipeline project brought forward under AGIA, a line across Alaska and Canada to the U.S. Midwest. He said that project would put Alaska's gas under the control of a foreign country.

"Don't sell us out," Hickel urged the legislators, currently meeting in special session to decide whether to support TransCanada's $28 billion gas pipeline plan.

Hickel is notable for being Alaska's only two-time governor. He was first elected in 1966 and then again in 1990. He left his first term early to serve in President Richard Nixon's cabinet as Secretary of Interior.

He told lawmakers Monday the state should build its own gas pipeline across the state, the so-called "all-Alaska" gas pipeline, and export its gas in liquefied form to lucrative Chinese markets.

Letting Canada control Alaska's gas would give up the state's sovereignty, he said.

At least two liquefied natural gas proposals were submitted under AGIA, but neither was found to meet the state's requirements.

Knowles, who served two consecutive terms as governor starting in 1994, also urged rejecting TransCanada's application, but for a different reason.

A competing project proposed by two of the state's oil producers and natural gas leaseholders, called Denali, also would follow the Alaska Highway on its route through the Yukon and on to Alberta, where it would link up with pipelines that could carry it to the U.S.


http://juneauempire.com/stories/072908/sta_310988229.shtml
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
this is "cute":
 -

Republican vice presidential hopeful's church promotes prayer to make gays straight

Associated Press - September 5, 2008 9:34 PM ET

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - Governor Palin's home church is promoting a conference that aims to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.

The Wasilla Bible Church included an insert in its latest worship bulletin promoting a conference by Focus on the Family, a national Christian fundamentalist organization.

The group is conducting the "Love Won Out" Conference in Anchorage, about 30 miles from Wasilla.

Palin, campaigning as Republican John McCain's running mate, has not publicly expressed a view on the so-called "pray away the gay" movement.

Wayne Besen is founder of the New York-based Truth Wins Out, a gay rights advocacy group.

Besen says he believes the McCain campaign will lose gay Republican voters if Palin supports efforts like the prayers to convert gays.

Besen is calling on Palin to publicly express her views.


http://www.ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?S=8962100
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i see why she's popular, she gave people money, but i'm seeing some oil people that are real unhappy with her..

she said in her speech that she has started a natural gas pipeline, the project is called the AGIA:


I said this long time ago... from day 1 when she was announced as his VP choice... that oil companies dislike her and that she is choosing a Canadian company for that pipeline... now give me credit Glass... [Were Down] btw you missed one that I also mentioned:

Palin, drilling advocate, spars with oil companiesAugust 29, 2008 4:13 PM ET NEW YORK (Reuters)

"Palin has also moved to revoke Exxon Mobil's license to develop oil and natural gas at Point Thomson, arguing the company has sat for too long on the North Slope site without developing the reserves. The company is challenging that move in court and is now seeking to start drilling there."

Like I said with her having so many enemies in the oil industry, drilling of any kind either won't happen during her tenure or it will be delayed because of it.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
ok mach three gold stars for you:

 - [Big Grin]

you are prolly right, she's along way off from having the pipeline...

all this DD is making me want to move to Alaska tho...

hunting, fishing, free money..... what else could a guy want?
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Yeah!!!!!! I get 3 stars.. [Were Up]

And yes, Alaska is starting to look very attractive to me then NY lol I do like fishing and Free money... [Big Grin] What else could a guy want? Perhaps a stripper dancing for you nightly in your living room dressed up in a tight short business suit and librarian glasses telling me what a bad Democrat I am while tearing her clothes off and pulling her hair down... [Big Grin] [Were Up]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
seriously? i was just looking thru the official Alaska press archives to see what she was like before she got hired...

i'm also wondering when Bush's people er i mean Mccains people will allow her to go off-script?


for some reason Palin makes me think of this JEANNIE C RILEY oldie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn4-2qMErgM
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhgUvX_8Joo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOBWZ7Jocc8&NR=1
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
... that oil companies dislike her and that she is choosing a Canadian company for that pipeline...
Then you socialists should LOVE her!

quote:
Palin has also moved to revoke Exxon Mobil's license to develop oil and natural gas at Point Thomson, arguing the company has sat for too long on the North Slope site without developing the reserves. The company is challenging that move in court and is now seeking to start drilling there."
Isn't that EXACTLY the democratic party line? ANSWER: YES, it is. This is EXACTLY what the dems are demanding - that oil companies either use their leases or lose them. Again, you lefties should love that!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
PM, you show both your bias an your extreme far right-wing bias every time you post.

Then too, there is the obtuse hate you foster and your illogical narrow minded arguments from 18th century failed political movements that you base everything on and clearly haven't learned that they failed the whole world economically, resulting in two world wars.

Empirial domination of the world has been proved to do immense harm to every aspect of human activity. (Even should the backward economic system you wish gain retrenchment in some part of the world and, then, should you be able to position yourself within it, a cursory read of Niccolò Machiavelli will make clear that an egocentric loudmouth like you would be eliminated in short order from any position beyond social riff-raff.) Not only does it take more brains than your kind can imagine, you havn't the social and political grace and savy to survive in the world order you pray for.

Indeed, you pray for an existence in which you could only hold the position of prey.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Well to me giving people money,and mach you did bring that up a long time ago.

Anyway by giving people money by raising taxes on a wealthy group and then rebate the increased revenue to every body is socialism,in its purest form.

If a politican in the lower 48 like califoria was to say we will let you drill off shore if the citizens all get big checks every year,from the revenue the oil companies make, they would have been drilling a long time ago.

And I don't think any right wingers would refuse the checks because they had the taint of socialism on them.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
And I don't think any right wingers would refuse the checks because they had the taint of socialism on them.

no they don't... it's funny how principles melt away when money is involved.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
There is the old line from the farmer that is taking money from Uncle Sam to not plant cotton and taking money from the State to not run cattle or sheep, while junior is off at State U. on a basketball scholarship and his sister is going to the tuition free county community college to learn to be a homemaker.

After he drove to town to turn in the forms to get refunded for the taxes on the gasoline he and mama and little sister burn running round town (since farm use of gasoline is non-taxble), he stopped by the local coffee shop, where he loudly proclaimed he would never vote for any of "them damned socialist taxing and spending democrats"...."Why, they oughtern tur be locked up in the high sharif's jail house and made to pledge alegunce to th 'Merican flag three times day and fed on nothing but stale beans and dried bread 'til they larnes that the founders o' this heah mighty land mint this to be a cristian captalistic and anti-comunistic country, jest lak they wrote in the Decloraion o Indepndence" and the "Bill o Wrights".
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Then too, there is the obtuse hate you foster and your illogical narrow minded arguments from 18th century failed political movements that you base everything on and clearly haven't learned that they failed the whole world economically, resulting in two world wars.

Empirial domination of the world has been proved to do immense harm to every aspect of human activity. (Even should the backward economic system you wish gain retrenchment in some part of the world and, then, should you be able to position yourself within it, a cursory read of Niccolò Machiavelli will make clear that an egocentric loudmouth like you would be eliminated in short order from any position beyond social riff-raff.) Not only does it take more brains than your kind can imagine, you havn't the social and political grace and savy to survive in the world order you pray for.

Indeed, you pray for an existence in which you could only hold the position of prey.

The king of gibberish!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
The simple minded must always fail to see the "truth" in poetry and then describe it as gibberish, for it reaches beyond the extent of their imagination.
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
Has anyone else noticed that John Mccain sound Just like Doctor Evil from Austin Powers.....Listen!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0be5ZA7aaA8

and now this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTmXHvGZiSY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ4CweGjUVM
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
I never saw Lieberman wearing an eye patch before.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/04/jon-stewart-hits-karl-rov_n_123852.html

This is a funny clip from the John Stewart show.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Sarah Palin has yet to meet the press Michael Calderone
Sat Sep 6, 6:21 PM ET



When political junkies flip through television stations on Sunday morning, they'll find policy-driven interviews with three of the four candidates on the presidential tickets — John McCain, Barack Obama and Joe Biden. They won’t, though, see Sarah Palin.

ADVERTISEMENT

Less than two months before voters hit the polls, Palin has yet to sit down for or even schedule an issues-oriented interview with any newspaper, magazine or television network.

Meanwhile, the McCain campaign has significantly scaled back the access of the national press he used to jokingly refer to as his “base,” and several speakers, including Palin, took shots at the media in their speeches at last week's Republican convention.

Since her debut in Dayton, Ohio, the McCain campaign has been receiving about 80-100 requests a day from news organizations around the world, according to spokesman Ben Porritt, who said interest in an interview was "through the roof" and that the campaign was going through them now.

"There's no doubt in my mind that the McCain campaign would like to run out on the clock on this," said David Chalian, political director for ABC News.

He expects the campaign will tightly manage access to Palin, but give some national interviews shortly before the Oct. 2 vice presidential debate with Biden, moderated by PBS' Gwen Ifill.

"They know they're not going to get through the next 60 days without doing interviews and being tested and prodded," Chalian said.

But even if Palin does submit to a few carefully selected interviews around the October debate, that means another month before the 37-million-plus viewers who tuned into Palin's speech and others get their first look at how the newcomer to the national stage performs outside of a campaign-controlled setting.

In the meantime, Fox News is rolling out a special (as are other networks): "Gov. Sarah Palin: An American Woman," a one-hour biography hosted by Greta Van Susteren that includes "exclusive video and photos" and "interviews with her family, friends and colleagues" — but not Palin herself.

Palin has already become a ubiquitous presence on newsstands. Presently, her face adorns the cover of traditional newsweeklies Time and Newsweek, Beltway favorites The New Republic and The Weekly Standard, and even celebrity glossies Us Weekly and Ok!.

While everyone from the New Yorker to CNBC has rushed to republish their older interviews with the Alaska governor, it's People magazine that has the only actual interview she’s done since joining to the ticket.

Larry Hackett, managing editor of People, said the McCain campaign offered the magazine an opportunity to photograph McCain and "Nominee TK" at the Aug. 29 event in Dayton.



In addition to a brief Q&A with both Republicans (as well as their spouses and McCain’s daughter Meghan) and an accompanying article that was mostly based on months-old reporting, the magazine also ran a lifestyle feature on Palin’s life as a working mother running a statehouse and her own house.

People has a long history of reporting on the personal side of candidates and their families, but Hackett acknowledges that "we have a different job" than overtly political titles.

"Are we going to ask about Pakistan?" Hackett said rhetorically, adding that it's not a focus for their readers.

That said, journalists are pushing hard to ask Palin about Pakistan — and Iraq, Iran, Russia, North Korea and Al Qaeda, not to mention a host of domestic issues, from the economy to health care.

Jay Carney, Time's Washington bureau chief, questioned McCain spokesperson Nicole Wallace about the lack of access on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" last Thursday, resulting in a heated exchange that quickly got passed around via YouTube.

"We know now that Sarah Palin can give one hell of a speech," Carney said. "She's a natural. And that's no mean feat. We don't know yet and we won't know until you guys allow her to take questions, you know, can she answer tough questions about domestic policy, foreign policy?"

"But I mean, like from who?” Wallace asked. "From you?”

When Carney answered "Yes," Wallace followed up with, "Who cares?

"I think the American people want to see her," Wallace continued. "Who cares if she can talk to Time magazine?"

Later that day, Carney — who last week had a much-buzzed about interview with McCain in which the candidate became testy, and refused to answer some questions — told Politico that the McCain campaign is acting "condescending and smug" toward the press.

"The national media," he added, "will be kept far away" from Palin.

They may be at once close and far away. Top newspaper reporters will be on the trail with her day after day, including The Washington Post's Juliet Eilperin. The New York Times will have a rotating cast, beginning with Monica Davey.

And each network will have an off-air producer, or embed, devoted to the Palin beat: Matt Berger (NBC/ National Journal), Shushannah Walshe (Fox), Imtiyaz Delawala (ABC), Scott Conroy (CBS), and Peter Hamby (CNN). The bigger-name, on-air correspondents will also be on the road with Palin from time to time.

Sam Feist, CNN's political director, said that since Palin has had to focus on regional issues as Alaska's governor, he expects she'll begin with media avails on the road and only offer wide-ranging interviews after getting thoroughly prepared for them by the campaign.

However, he said, "if a presidential candidate or a vice presidential candidate declines to do interviews, the news organizations will note that."

Even when Palin does begin taking interviews, it remains to be seen if she’ll grant them to outlets with which the campaign has had a hostile relationship — most notably the New York Times.

"There's no question that we've had less and less access to McCain himself," said Richard Stevenson, the paper's political editor. "Certainly the Times has had a strained relationship with that campaign for a while."

"Strained" might be putting it mildly.

Since February, when the McCain campaign talked about going to war with the paper over a front-page article that included allegations of an improper relationship with a female lobbyist, there have been several public disputes. This past Tuesday, a McCain spokesperson described Elisabeth Bumiller, one the reporters on the McCain beat, as a "fiction" writer.

"I know whether or not they cooperate with us, we will be very actively looking into who [Palin] is, what she's done, what her record is — as much as we can learn about her in as concentrated a time as we can," Stevenson said.

"One of the costs to them of not putting her out there," he added, "is the coverage is going to define her as much as the campaign."
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Jay Carney, Time's Washington bureau chief, questioned McCain spokesperson Nicole Wallace about the lack of access on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" last Thursday, resulting in a heated exchange that quickly got passed around via YouTube.

"We know now that Sarah Palin can give one hell of a speech," Carney said. "She's a natural. And that's no mean feat. We don't know yet and we won't know until you guys allow her to take questions, you know, can she answer tough questions about domestic policy, foreign policy?"

"But I mean, like from who?” Wallace asked. "From you?”

When Carney answered "Yes," Wallace followed up with, "Who cares?

"I think the American people want to see her," Wallace continued. "Who cares if she can talk to Time magazine?"


If any man running for one of the top 2 offices in this country had done this, you know that the press along with the opponent's campaign would be saying that they weren't ready for prime time.

IMO, this is reverse sexism. Using gender as a cop out from answering the the real questions.


WHY IS SHE DIFFERENT than any other politician running for office? If she is truly qualifed let her show it. Giving a speech is one thing answering adversarial questions on your feet is another. I mean this is a Woman who wants to be treated the same as any man running for office.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
Its very telling that Bushs' speech writer also wrote Palins' speech
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Jordan,

That explains why her speech was one after another of the same lies and illogical misconceptions dubya and super-Dick have been spreading for years.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
If any man running for one of the top 2 offices in this country had done this, you know that the press along with the opponent's campaign would be saying that they weren't ready for prime time.
That's funny! Osama Obama has been ducking any real questions for months. Until the other night, he would only do interviews with the socialist left press! When he FINALLY did an interview on Fox, with Bill O'Reilly, he was forced to admit that the surge in Iraq has worked beyond his wildest dreams! LOL!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
The funny thing is that temporarily the surge has worked. Partially because of Al-Sadr reeling in his people and the Sunni's getting paid to fight with the US. Also Afghanistan has became a bigger problem since the Surge.

When this first happened my thoughts were that the terrorists would regroup and start hitting Afghanistan. This is not a traditional war with traditional enemy. Al Queda is not trying to defeat the US military in the tradition sense. It seems they are more interested in causing disruptions and havoc.

You need to look at this history of the region. What happened to The Soviet Union in Afghanistan? They controlled but the insurgents kept fighting and eventually the Soviet's realized that they could never completely win and they cut their losses.

Up until now we have mainly been fighting Al Queda but the tone of the Afghan people(not the government), but the people is changing because they aren't better off and civilians are being killed not purposely but they are still being killed.

Are you actually saying that FOX is the only non socialist left press? I wonder if O'Reilly would be as hard on Palin? Especially since her was against her prior to her speech.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
If any man running for one of the top 2 offices in this country had done this, you know that the press along with the opponent's campaign would be saying that they weren't ready for prime time.
That's funny! Osama Obama has been ducking any real questions for months. Until the other night, he would only do interviews with the socialist left press! When he FINALLY did an interview on Fox, with Bill O'Reilly, he was forced to admit that the surge in Iraq has worked beyond his wildest dreams! LOL!
that's just not true.

Obama has been in the most debates of any candidate ever.

furthermore?

i told you the Media would eat her alive. Mccains people know this to be true too..

Sarah has yet to give a single real interview, and it may be weeks before she does....

even Mccains people know she's not ready for prime time...

they are "selling" her as a pinup...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
What has Palin ever done that Vice-Dick hasn't already accomplished in spades?

Every thing she claims to believe and champion is something Chaney has championed for years.

This even goes so far so as demanding that, when a daughter acts exactly contrary to one of the championed principles of practice and honor that must not be defied, any consideration of the fact by anyone, particularly by those not in support of the championed principle, be placed "out of bounds" by the public and the media and labeled "personal, untouchable, private, and none of anyones business, and anyone suggesting otherwise is playing unfair and cheating".

When you loudly and constantly championing abstinence as the only acceptable method for everyone else on Earth, and you are seeking to be put in the most powerful position on Earth, you deserve to be forcefully reminded that it doesn't work!
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Back to Story - Help
Palin agrees to interview Mike Allen
40 minutes ago



Under pressure for being shielded for questioning, Sarah Palin has a agreed to sit down with Charles Gibson of ABC’s “World News Tonight,” according to an ABC News official.

No other interviews are scheduled. It will be the first TV interview for Palin since she was named 10 days ago as running mate to John McCain.

Palin had planned to return to Alaska this weekend but is so popular on the stump that she is going to stay out a few more days before returning home. One of her sons deploys to Iraq on Thursday.

Palin plans to sit down with Gibson later this week in Alaska, the source said.

The McCain campaign kept her off Sunday shows this weekend and plans to be sparing with high-risk network encounters, which they contend are unimportant to voters despite the media’s fixation on them.

But McCain officials could see her reticence was feeding the narrative of her being unprepared for the job.

Joe Biden of Delaware, her counterpart on the Democratic ticket, challenged her Sunday to submit to network questioning.

“She's a smart, tough politician,” Biden told Tom Brokaw in a “Meet the Press” interview live from Wilmington, Del. “So I think she's going to be formidable. Eventually, she's going to have to sit in front of you like I'm doing and have done. Eventually, she's going to have to answer questions and not be sequestered. Eventually, she's going to have to answer on the record.”
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
I wonder how old long rifle will stand up
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
More lies and smear on the Palin bashing bandwagon.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/palin/bannedbooks.asp
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Irrespectfully as to whether or not that EXACT list of books was submitted by Palin, both before and after taking office, Palin DID suggest and or request to the librarian that she wanted the librarian to ban specific books at Palin's direction.

We do not know which specific books Palin wanted banned, but that is not the problem.

After that request was summarily (and quite rightfully) rejected by the librarian, once Palin had the power to do so, the librarian was summarily removed.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Palin would have made a good brown shirt I could see her shutting down news rooms.news paper publishers. All for the greater glory of the State church.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Irrespectfully as to whether or not that EXACT list of books was submitted by Palin, both before and after taking office, Palin DID suggest and or request to the librarian that she wanted the librarian to ban specific books at Palin's direction.

We do not know which specific books Palin wanted banned, but that is not the problem.

After that request was summarily (and quite rightfully) rejected by the librarian, once Palin had the power to do so, the librarian was summarily removed.

Where did you hear this?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Where did you hear this?


the Anchorage Daily News had it from before sh ewas selected for VP....

this article is dated sep 4th but there was one out before that:

Palin pressured Wasilla librarian

TOWN MAYOR: She wanted to know if books would be pulled.

By RINDI WHITE
rwhite*adn.com

Published: September 4th, 2008 01:49 AM
Last Modified: September 4th, 2008 06:36 PM

In December 1996, Emmons told her hometown newspaper, the Frontiersman, that Palin three times asked her -- starting before she was sworn in -- about possibly removing objectionable books from the library if the need arose.

Emmons told the Frontiersman she flatly refused to consider any kind of censorship. Emmons, now Mary Ellen Baker, is on vacation from her current job in Fairbanks and did not return e-mail or telephone messages left for her Wednesday.

When the matter came up for the second time in October 1996, during a City Council meeting, Anne Kilkenny, a Wasilla housewife who often attends council meetings, was there.

Like many Alaskans, Kilkenny calls the governor by her first name.

"Sarah said to Mary Ellen, 'What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?" Kilkenny said.

"I was shocked. Mary Ellen sat up straight and said something along the line of, 'The books in the Wasilla Library collection were selected on the basis of national selection criteria for libraries of this size, and I would absolutely resist all efforts to ban books.'"

Palin didn't mention specific books at that meeting, Kilkenny said.

Four days before the exchange at the City Council, Emmons got a letter from Palin asking for her resignation. Similar letters went to police chief Irl Stambaugh, public works director Jack Felton and finance director Duane Dvorak. John Cooper, a fifth director, resigned after Palin eliminated his job overseeing the city museum.

Palin told the Daily News back then the letters were just a test of loyalty as she took on the mayor's job, which she'd won from three-term mayor John Stein in a hard-fought election. Stein had hired many of the department heads. Both Emmons and Stambaugh had publicly supported him against Palin.


http://www.adn.com/sarah-palin/story/515512.html

Both Emmons and Stambaugh had publicly supported him against Palin.


you might note that Sarah also has a reputation within the party of biting the hands that feed her... that's how she got the Governors seat form a GOP.


that's why they call her an agent of change...

however? i see this as normal small town politics.

things are very different in DC...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
"Where did you hear this?"

Lockman, I didn't hear it, I read it.

The appropriate question is how did you manage to fail reading it.

It is all over the internet and was in our local paper, as well papers across the land and most national news magazines and it has been since before she won the governorship of Alaska.

Do you even read the post here? It was in the link CCM left that I was responding to, for christ sake!

You need to learn pay attention to something beyond Fox News and RNC talking points.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Close Window
Obama puts heat on Palin as she boosts GOP ticket
Tuesday, September 9, 2008
FARMINGTON HILLS, Mich. - Listening to Barack Obama, it can seem like Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin is the main person standing between him and the White House instead of John McCain.

Obama is putting as much heat on Palin as he is on the man at the top of the GOP ticket, objecting to the Republican Party's portrayal of her as a reformer who can bring change to Washington.

That is supposed to be Obama's distinction, and he's not taking kindly to Palin trying to claim it. Especially when it appears the new star on the GOP ticket is helping boost its standing: McCain has jumped to a dead heat or narrow lead over Obama in the latest national polls since choosing Palin as his running mate.

Obama said last week's Republican National Convention did a good job of highlighting Palin's biography - "Mother, governor, moose shooter. That's cool," he said. But he said Palin really is just another Republican politician, one who is stretching the truth about her record.

"When John McCain gets up there with Sarah Palin and says, `We're for change,' ... what are they talking about?" Obama said Monday, arguing that they aren't offering different ideas from President Bush and they are just trying to steal his campaign theme because it seemed to be working.

"It was just like a month ago they were all saying, `Oh, it's experience, experience, experience.' Then they chose Palin and they started talking about change, change, change," he said.

Obama's supporters appear to be just as fired up against Palin. In Farmington Hills, they booed when Obama first mentioned her name and laughed dismissively when he said she had a compelling biography. "Whatever," an audience member shouted.

In Dayton, Ohio, Tuesday, the crowd waiting for Obama to take the stage chanted "No pit bulls! No pit bulls!" - a reference to Palin's joke that lipstick is the only thing that sets hockey moms like her apart from the dogs.

Obama's campaign seemed to be caught off guard by McCain's surprise pick of Palin on Aug. 29. Obama's spokesman initially blasted her as a former small-town mayor with zero foreign policy experience who wants to continue Bush's policies. But Obama quickly walked the statement back with more congratulatory words about Palin as a compelling addition to the ticket.

Voters, particularly women, seem to agree, according to new polls. An ABC News-Washington Post survey showed white women have moved from backing Obama by 8 points to supporting McCain by 12 points, with majorities viewing Palin favorably and saying she boosts their faith in McCain's decisions.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said there's no doubt Palin is helping excite the GOP base, but what remains to be seen is how she plays with swing voters over the remaining two months of the campaign.

"There's no question they believe Governor Palin has given them a surge of energy in the short term," he said. "We'll see where we stand eight weeks from now."

With Palin out on the campaign trail every day blasting Obama, it became increasingly clear he had to respond and try to undermine her credibility. He was careful with his approach, declining in an interview on MSNBC's "Countdown" on Monday to respond directly to a question about whether she's too inexperienced to be next in line to the presidency.

But Obama's campaign saw an opening when the McCain-Palin campaign released a new ad Monday called "Original Mavericks" that included the claim that Palin stopped the so-called Bridge to Nowhere, a nearly $400 million proposal to build a bridge to an island in Alaska occupied by just 50 residents and an airport. Obama called the claim "shameless."

Palin voiced support for the bridge during her campaign to become Alaska's governor, although she was critical of the size, and later abandoned plans for the project. She used the federal dollars for other projects in Alaska.

"A bunch of heat started generating because people were thinking, `Why are we building a bridge to nowhere?'" Obama said to laughter from a packed gymnasium of supporters in the Detroit suburb of Farmington Hills. Some booed at the mention of her name.

"So a deal was cut where Alaska still got the money. They just didn't build a bridge with it, and now she's out there acting like she was fighting this thing the whole time," he said, jabbing his fist in the air like a boxer. He released his own ad in response to the GOP spot that says McCain and Palin are "politicians lying about their records."

At an earlier stop Monday in Flint, Obama said of the bridge claim: "I mean, you can't just make stuff up. You can't just re-create yourself. You can't just reinvent yourself. The American people aren't stupid. What they are looking for is someone who has consistently been calling for change."

Two Democratic strategists, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they hoped Obama would assign his own running mate, Sen. Joe Biden of Delaware, the task of countering Palin, rather than do it himself. They declined to speak on the record to avoid appearing critical of Obama's campaign.

On Tuesday, The Washington Post reported that Palin has billed Alaska taxpayers for more than $43,000 in travel and lodging expenses for her children and husband during the 19 months she has been governor.

Sharon Leighow, a spokeswoman for the Alaska governor's office, told the Post that many of the invitations Palin receives also request that she bring her family. And the newspaper pointed out that Palin's travel expenses are far less than those of her predecessor, Frank Murkowski.

McCain-Palin spokesman Tucker Bounds said Obama's negative attacks show he is increasingly desperate.

"Sen. John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin have shook up the establishment and delivered real reforms," Bounds said. "Barack Obama has a speech he gave in 2002."

---
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMiUAcEJY98

Gotta love John Stewart
 
Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
 
ITS MCCAIN ALL THE WAY! BANK 0N IT! I AM. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
We alreay knew that IMAKEMONEY.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IMAKEMONEY:
ITS MCCAIN ALL THE WAY! BANK 0N IT! I AM. [Big Grin]

http://www.intrade.com/
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by IMAKEMONEY:
ITS MCCAIN ALL THE WAY! BANK 0N IT! I AM. [Big Grin]

I've got millions riding on that vote....


McCain is for me....plain and simple.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
I repeat ,caribou barbie lord Govn. of the tundra.

From the welfare state of Alaska
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
lip stick on a pig and you still have a pig.

Obama was not speaking of her

But I was
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
She referred to herself as a animal (pitbull) and Obama referred to another animal instead... i see nothing wrong with it... if a person takes offense to being called a animal then don't refer to yourself as one in the first place... all is fair in love and war as they say... it's the same thing with your family... you do not want your family scrutinized then do not bring them front and center to be...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
If Palin objects to being likened to an animal, or whatever else, she should have thought about that before accepting a major party's nomination to high office. After all, both of them use animals as symbols.

Of course, I am assuming she has the brains to recognize the layout of the territory she decided to play in. Maybe she doesn't? If not, she is just way out on a weak limb of her own foolish making and blaming others is childish. This ain't child's play. This is for ALL the marbles.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
(CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama's reference to "lipstick on a pig" has Republicans demanding an apology and Democrats accusing Sen. John McCain of a "pathetic attempt" to play the gender card.


Barack Obama used the "lipstick" line at a campaign event in Lebanon, Virginia, on Tuesday.

1 of 2 McCain's campaign said Obama's remarks were offensive and a slap at Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin -- despite the fact that the Arizona senator himself used the phrase last year to describe a policy proposal of Hillary Clinton's."


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/campaign.lipstick/index.html

The real (dirty) campaign is in full swing. It's OK for McCain to use the same phrase referencing Hillary's policy but when Obama uses it, it's sexist and about Palin. Hold on to your hats it's going down from here. The Dem's will hit back having learned that not responding (Swift Boat) doesn't work.

Issue's we don't need no stinking Issues.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
I heard the speech wherein Obama used the phrase.

He was not talking about Palin or anything close to talking about Palin.

He was speaking of the republicans trying recently to take over his claim for "Change" and described what they called change, then, he said, "you can put lipstick on a pig and it's still pig". If Palin finds ridicule of republican rhetoric degrading, she simply hasn't got the grit and substance necessary to handle national politics and can never handle the presidency.

Get real, you republican pansies! Learn to speak and use the English language so you won't be so easily confused.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
 -
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
sorry palin is a sow
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
sorry palin is a sow

She can dish it out but can't take it dished to her...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
This year's election has underscored the fact that election for VP should be by the people and not just an appointee. Most states have recognized this and have Governors and Lt Governor's that are elected by the people.

Since the VP does have the possibility of eventually running the country it is just too important a decision and should be voted upon by the people.

IMO, both choices, Palin and Biden, would never have been in a position to be VP if the public had been given the chance to vote.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
sorry palin is a sow

She can dish it out but can't take it dished to her...
I'm not sure you understand. Maybe you are too much the big city boy.

Bond's point is: In swine, mature and semi-mature males are called pigs and the females are called sows, much as it is in canines, where the term dog refers to a male and you know how to indicate a female. Young canines are puppies and young swine are piglets.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
I guess I am a big city boy even though the population where i live is only 40,000 about... but I more or less I understood what Bond meant... but my point still is that she can dish it out but can't take getting dished at...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
The fact is we don't know what she can take or not since the party and campaign have shielded her from standing on her own 2 feet. They have formed a protective web around her allowing her to only parrot what they want and making an issue of any perceived slight or attack on her.

It's a great political strategy and has worked so far but sure doesn't advance their battle cry of "Country First". If she is so qualified to be the Vice President, why does she need to be educated about the issues before sitting down and answering questions?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
seems to me the GOP has now become the "political correctness" police..
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
The dems are self-destructing AGAIN!
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Self Destructing? Obama had the guts to get interviewed by Bill O'Reilly... Palin and McCain? Have no guts but to say things from afar... McCain can take physical torture but apparently is afraid of emotional/mental torture from a reporter... and his figurehead nominee as well...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
what i find interesting at this point is how excited people are about somebody they know nothing about....

it doesn't say much about the country when we are arguing over whether Palin is a pig with lipstick or a pitbull with lipstick while so much is going wrong...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
what i find interesting at this point is how excited people are about somebody they know nothing about....

it doesn't say much about the country when we are arguing over whether Palin is a pig with lipstick or a pitbull with lipstick while so much is going wrong...

Couldn't agree with you more.

It really shows that a majority of people in this country are satisfied to vote for someone based on personality or wedge issues and not look at the big picture.

We saw it with Obama during his primary campaign and now are seeing it again with the nomination of Palin.

The most ironic part is that it seems a lot of people have forgotten that John McCain is running for President.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
The most ironic part is that it seems a lot of people have forgotten that John McCain is running for President.
SHHHHHHH. We conservatives are trying to forget that McCain is on the ticket.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
hmmmm.....

Palin bills Alaska for nights in own home, family travel expenses

By JAMES V. GRIMALDI and KARL VICK
WASHINGTON POST

Published: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 9:02 a.m.
Last Modified: Tuesday, September 9, 2008 at 9:13 a.m.

ANCHORAGE, Alaska -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has billed taxpayers for 312 nights spent in her own home during her first 19 months in office, charging a "per diem" allowance intended to cover meals and incidental expenses while traveling on state business.

http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20080909/NEWS08/809090402/0/OPINION&title=P alin_bills_Alaska_for_nights_in_own_home__family_travel_expenses
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
In Search of Rational Voters
Do such creatures exist? How can we mint more of them?


Shenkman talks a great deal about the Iraq War, and I will try briefly to summarize what he says--not because I relish rehashing the Iraq debate, but because I think he makes some points that are hard to dismiss.

The crucial ones have to do with perceptions of Saddam Hussein. Polls consistently have shown that for most of the past seven years, a majority of Americans believed Saddam was involved in the 9/11 attacks. A larger majority believed him to be in league with Al Qaeda somehow. And even more were ready to brand him as an international terrorist.

Shenkman believes, and I think he is right, that the war never would have achieved popular support in this country had most voters known that all of these assertions were false. The truth—that Saddam was a brutal thug, but not an international terrorist—was available to anyone who wished to learn it. The bipartisan 9/11 commission declared definitively in early 2004 that Saddam had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The presidential election was held that fall with roughly half the country utterly mistaken on an issue of vital importance."


People believe what they want to hear in spite of the evidence to the contrary.

"I wish I had some evidence from the current presidential campaign that the voters are finally beginning to pay attention and judge what they hear on the basis of real knowledge. Sadly, I don't. The electorate seems all too ready to accept Democratic arguments that John McCain wants the Iraq War to last 100 years, when McCain has said nothing of the sort. McCain keeps telling the electorate, and convincing a significant part of it, that Barack Obama's economic plan would raise taxes on the middle class, when every reputable analysis makes clear it wouldn't do that. This campaign provides Shenkman with almost as much ammunition as the last one."

Sadly the electing of a President has come down to sound bites. Hear what you want to hear and don't bother taking the time to make sure it's true.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/158224/page/1
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Governor Is Asked To Release E-Mails
By Karl Vick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 10, 2008; Page A04

WASILLA, Alaska, Sept. 9 -- Gov. Sarah Palin is being asked by a local Republican activist to release more than 1,100 e-mails she withheld from a public records request, including 40 that were copied to her husband, Todd.
"From the case law, if government voluntarily opens up that internal decision-making to what I would call civilians, then that is waiver of that protection of the government policy decision-making process. That is what happened here, and it happened because Sarah Palin doesn't understand it," he said.

Todd Palin was frequently copied on e-mails relating to Alaska State Troopers and the union representing public safety employees, according to McLeod, who received four boxes of redacted e-mails in response to her request. At the time, both Sarah and Todd Palin were complaining to the state public safety commissioner about a disciplinary matter involving Sarah Palin's ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper.

Palin also routinely does government business from a Yahoo address, gov.sarah*yahoo.com, rather than her secure official state e-mail address,

"There's a reason the governor should be using her own official e-mail channels, because of security and encryption," the lawyer said. "She's running state business out of Yahoo?"

On March 17, minutes after peppering a state official about whether e-mails about state business contained on a personal BlackBerry could become public, senior Palin aide Ivy Frye addressed a message to both Palins and two other aides: "In sum, it's just as I thought -- questions of confidentiality are still unanswered by law."

McLeod, a former state employee who once was close to Palin, filed an ethics complaint last month against Palin and others. She cited e-mail traffic that appeared to show that the governor's office improperly helped a Palin fundraiser obtain a civil service position.

"By withholding these emails, Sarah Palin has broken on her promise of being open, honest and transparent," McLeod said in a statement. "It's old-school politics and not the kind of reform she pledged to Alaskans."


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/09/AR2008090903044. html

regardless of whether you beleive she's hiding anything? these are exactly the kind of mistakes that total rookies make...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Judge warned Palin in 2005 to back off brother-in-law's job


(CNN) -- An Alaska judge warned Gov. Sarah Palin's family against trying to get her then-brother-in-law fired, according to court records.

Investigators want to know if Sarah Palin tried to use her position improperly to get her former brother-in-law fired.

That warning came long before the controversy over her dismissal of the brother-in-law's boss, the state's public safety commissioner, records show.

Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, is battling allegations she and her advisers pressured Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan to fire her sister's husband, State Trooper Mike Wooten.

Palin's sister, Molly McCann, and Wooten were in the process of getting a divorce when the judge hearing the couple's case said McCann's family appeared to be putting Wooten's job at risk at a time when he would be required to pay child support.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/palin.investigation/index.html
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
The fact is we don't know what she can take or not since the party and campaign have shielded her from standing on her own 2 feet. They have formed a protective web around her allowing her to only parrot what they want and making an issue of any perceived slight or attack on her.

It's a great political strategy and has worked so far but sure doesn't advance their battle cry of "Country First". If she is so qualified to be the Vice President, why does she need to be educated about the issues before sitting down and answering questions?

The republican party has for decades been purely party first before Country. If they ever let the conversation get around to what is good for the Country.
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
I just wish they'd let Palin go off script for a bit and answer our questions.

Supposedly she is a young earth creationist who believes that armageddon will happen within our lifetimes. I'd like to hear her say something about that herself.

I'd like to hear her reasons for charging the per-diems as in Glassman's article above.

I'd like to know what she sees her position in the White House as, since before she accepted the position she was asking the media that very question.

Beyond that I'd like to hear some specifics of how they are going to change Washington. I've heard veto earmarks. OK. What does that mean exactly? What is your criteria of the word earmark. I've heard name names. What is that expected to accomplish. I've heard drill now. How do you plan to do that? I've heard nuclear. Again, how are you going to do that?

Oh, and a few other questions I haven't heard anything about. How are you going to balance the budget and pay off Bush's credit card? What is your education plan? What is your opinion on the Fred and Fannie bailout? Are you going to challenge R V Wade? Any plan of action regarding the corruption in oil and gas oversight? War on Drugs? Immigration? Anything?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
McCain, Palin to campaign together
After Alaska trip, she'll be back by his side as early as next week, aide says

FAIRBANKS, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin will spend much of the next few weeks campaigning with Sen. John McCain, a move that not only capitalizes on the Republican enthusiasm for the vice presidential nominee but also limits her exposure to the news media


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26650022/

I guess we might have to wait until the Debate to get those questions answered.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Photobucket Image Hosting
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The Bigfoot:
I just wish they'd let Palin go off script for a bit and answer our questions.

Supposedly she is a young earth creationist who believes that armageddon will happen within our lifetimes. I'd like to hear her say something about that herself.

I'd like to hear her reasons for charging the per-diems as in Glassman's article above.

I'd like to know what she sees her position in the White House as, since before she accepted the position she was asking the media that very question.

Beyond that I'd like to hear some specifics of how they are going to change Washington. I've heard veto earmarks. OK. What does that mean exactly? What is your criteria of the word earmark. I've heard name names. What is that expected to accomplish. I've heard drill now. How do you plan to do that? I've heard nuclear. Again, how are you going to do that?

Oh, and a few other questions I haven't heard anything about. How are you going to balance the budget and pay off Bush's credit card? What is your education plan? What is your opinion on the Fred and Fannie bailout? Are you going to challenge R V Wade? Any plan of action regarding the corruption in oil and gas oversight? War on Drugs? Immigration? Anything?

Exactly... right now she is nothing but fluff and the women flocking to her are too blind to see that...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
According to what I have read, more men than women are flocking to her but that point aside.

IMO, the elephant in the room is that, possibly, many of the people that are now moving to the McCain/Palin ticket is because they are more comfortable with a woman being Vice President than a Black man being president.

A lot of people in this country believe in voting for what they consider the lesser of two evils. This of course is something that will never be polled or IMO, even if polled never be answered truthfully.

I really don't believe that anyone who truly supported Obama was swayed by the choice of Palin as VP but those that were lukewarm about Obama found their out.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
According to what I have read, more men than women are flocking to her but that point aside.

IMO, the elephant in the room is that, possibly, many of the people that are now moving to the McCain/Palin ticket is because they are more comfortable with a woman being Vice President than a Black man being president.

A lot of people in this country believe in voting for what they consider the lesser of two evils. This of course is something that will never be polled or IMO, even if polled never be answered truthfully.

I really don't believe that anyone who truly supported Obama was swayed by the choice of Palin as VP but those that were lukewarm about Obama found their out.

Yes!

One of the reasons they so much wanted to see Clinton on the ticket was that they could have used it to add anti-female votes to their cadre.

And we need to remember that since about 1965, primarily, the republican party has made itself a home for those racial bigots that want to call themselves politically responsible while voting simply for racial intolerance. It is the majority of the party's membership.

During the last few years, though, they have mixed in a mite of anti-Mexican hate too, so there is some diversification. I guess that is progress.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
And we need to remember that since about 1965, primarily, the republican party has made itself a home for those racial bigots that want to call themselves politically responsible while voting simply for racial intolerance. It is the majority of the party's membership.

During the last few years, though, they have mixed in a mite of anti-Mexican hate too, so there is some diversification. I guess that is progress.

Totally RIDICULOUS! However, you're making progress Bdgee - at least this post was readable. Now, if you could just include truthful content in a readable post, you would have something!
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Wouldn't it be nice if the issues that really matter could be discussed.........like how the democratic ticket wants to tax us into a third world status!

How both candidates can talk to bluecollar workers about lost jobs and then support legislation
that lets companies import cheaper labor to take those jobs.

How they talk about securing Americans but refuse to secure our borders from a flood of illegal immigrants and crimminals. (I'm assuming that we still refur to people that break our laws as crimminals).
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
(I'm assuming that we still refur to people that break our laws as crimminals).

only if you want to be accused of racism [Roll Eyes]

the screwball part of the immigration issue is that it's not really a "crime" to be here illegally, even tho it's against the law [Confused]

BUT!

it is an explicit crime to hire or give aid to someone here illegally...

go figure that [BadOne]
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Wouldn't it be nice if the issues that really matter could be discussed.........like how the democratic ticket wants to tax us into a third world status!

Yes, probably raise taxes but this is the part you and other GOP supporters leave out. Raise taxes due to Bush/GOP going on a spending spree with what they consider a credit card and putting us in the biggest deficit there ever was I think... if we don't pay down that deficit we will be in more major trouble... and how do you expect us to pay it down? ... Remember the old saying: Money don't grow on trees. Stop spending and then we can cut taxes. That is the bottom line.

quote:
How both candidates can talk to bluecollar workers about lost jobs and then support legislation
that lets companies import cheaper labor to take those jobs.

Obama is willing to listen and/or talk to the Unions which protect workers while McCain intends to destroy the Unions and bring back the days of cheap labor and no worker protection so the rich truely get richer and the poor more poorer with no middle class.

quote:
How they talk about securing Americans but refuse to secure our borders from a flood of illegal immigrants and crimminals. (I'm assuming that we still refur to people that break our laws as crimminals).
And do you think securing our borders will solve or stop illegal immigration? How about getting to the root of the problem and come up with a solution. The root of the problem is rampant corruption in Mexico and other latin american countries that causes causes a more wider split in classes. In other words, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. If we put political and other pressure in these countries to solve or lower their poverty problems then you would see a decrease in illegal immigration. Putting up a fence/wall or more border patrols will not make this go away no matter how much you think it would or you would like to ignore it. Simple as that.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
And we need to remember that since about 1965, primarily, the republican party has made itself a home for those racial bigots that want to call themselves politically responsible while voting simply for racial intolerance. It is the majority of the party's membership.

During the last few years, though, they have mixed in a mite of anti-Mexican hate too, so there is some diversification. I guess that is progress.

Totally RIDICULOUS! However, you're making progress Bdgee - at least this post was readable. Now, if you could just include truthful content in a readable post, you would have something!
PM, you are a simple childish joke. Were it not for the hate and evil you expouse constantly, you would be laughable....not laughable funny, but pitifully so. Truth is not a thing you are familiar with, so take care in labeling things beyond your grasp. Otherwise, by trying to decipher what is truth, you only prove your own ignorance and become more and more pitiful.


Lockman, you are hopelessly out of date. There is no chance that the democrats can tax us into third world status, because the republicans have already placed us firmly in that category. Tried to afford gasoline or get a mortgage lately? And how do you like the trippling of the cost of milk since 2000? Wanna talk about beef or beans or maybe donuts at the corner bakery? Too, there is the cost of the supplies and new shoes and clothes and such for school kids for mama and daddy to manage.

Get your narrow mind off that asinine and false hype about taxes! Taxes are how WE pay for our government and somebody is going to have to raise them in order to buy us out of the deep deep hole the republicans have dug us into by not taxing us to wage their illegal and unnecessary war in Iraq, then chargin it off to loans from China so we could attain third world status. Whose taxes do you imagine will pay off our debt to China for your war dufus?
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Lockman:
Wouldn't it be nice if the issues that really matter could be discussed.........like how the democratic ticket wants to tax us into a third world status!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Yes, probably raise taxes but this is the part you and other GOP supporters leave out. Raise taxes due to Bush/GOP going on a spending spree with what they consider a credit card and putting us in the biggest deficit there ever was I think... if we don't pay down that deficit we will be in more major trouble... and how do you expect us to pay it down? ... Remember the old saying: Money don't grow on trees. Stop spending and then we can cut taxes. That is the bottom line.

Well the last I looked the congress is controlled by Democrat's what proposals have been put forward in the last 2 years?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
actually it's one full year.... they didn't get into power until Jan '07...

since then Bush has done 12 vetoes and been overridden 4 times... that's the highest percentage of vetoes overridden since Andrew Johnson (he took over after Lincoln was shot)
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:


Well the last I looked the congress is controlled by Democrat's what proposals have been put forward in the last 2 years?

Did it ever occur to you that with Bush still in office the Democrat control Congress would not get far with any proposal because he will veto anything strictly because of party politics?. They are waiting for someone like Obama to be in the White House that is why. It is very logical.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
How they talk about securing Americans but refuse to secure our borders from a flood of illegal immigrants and crimminals. (I'm assuming that we still refur to people that break our laws as crimminals).
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And do you think securing our borders will solve or stop illegal immigration? How about getting to the root of the problem and come up with a solution. The root of the problem is rampant corruption in Mexico and other latin american countries that causes causes a more wider split in classes. In other words, the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. If we put political and other pressure in these countries to solve or lower their poverty problems then you would see a decrease in illegal immigration. Putting up a fence/wall or more border patrols will not make this go away no matter how much you think it would or you would like to ignore it. Simple as that.

Now the USA is suppose to correct all the problems in 3rd world countries? All I've heard is how we should have stayed out of Iraq and let them work out their own problems. Please make up your mind! Oh wait if a democrat president proposes something we should rush right in.
Close the border and restict the ability of illegals to work and they will go home.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
As for Palin:

Palin may seek to quash subpoenas in trooper case
Fairness concerns about the investigation are being raised

By Russ Britt, MarketWatch
Last update: 2:23 p.m. EDT Sept. 11, 2008Comments: 2LOS ANGELES (MarketWatch) --

Officials from Gov. Sarah Palin's law department in Alaska may seek to quash subpoenas that would compel some of the vice presidential nominee's subordinates to testify in the probe involving the firing of a state public safety official.
A letter from the Alaska Attorney General's office says the investigation led by Democratic legislators is raising concerns about fairness, and they may move to block the testimony in the probe of whether Palin, now the running mate for Republican presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain, improperly exercised her authority in removing Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan.
State attorneys say Democratic State Sen. Hollis French, who is overseeing the legislative probe, has made several comments alleging the Palin camp may have illegally obtained personnel files regarding a state trooper, Mike Wooten. Wooten was involved in a rancorous divorce with Palin's sister, Molly McCann, and allegedly threatened the father of Palin and McCann. Wooten ended up receiving a suspension.
Fired by Palin in July, Monegan later told the Anchorage Daily News that he was pressured by Palin's husband, Todd, and her aides to fire Wooten. Palin has denied firing Monegan over the Wooten issue, saying instead she wanted to take the department in a new direction.
The letter from Assistant Attorney General Michael Barnhill says that Palin was well within her jurisdiction to review Wooten's personnel files because she is ultimately in the trooper's chain of command.
"The governor has supervisory authority over all executive branch employees," Barnhill's letter states. "As the supervisory chief of the executive branch, the governor has a right of access to information in the personnel files of employees in the branch she supervises."
French reportedly indicated that the handling of Wooten's personnel files violated the law, Barnhill said in the letter. Barnhill declined to comment beyond what the letter states. French could not be immediately reached for comment.
In the seven-page letter, Barnhill said the attorney general's decision not to proceed with depositions of Palin's underlings was done to protect those workers from concerns they could face criminal charges for acts that were legal. He cited a provision in the Alaska constitution - written when it achieved statehood in 1959 - that protects employees from the improper threat of criminal prosecution, a part of state law that was prompted by the 1950s McCarthy hearings.
Barnhill acknowledges in the letter, however, that there are instances where the handling of personnel files is done improperly. But he says that legislators cannot imply before taking depositions that the practice was illegal.
"The implication concerns us because the stakes for these Department of Administration employees are high," he said. Barnhill later said he was willing to allow the employees to testify if the threat of criminal prosecution is lifted.
Barnhill's supervisor, Attorney General Talis Colberg, was appointed by Palin as she assumed the governor's office in December 2006. Colberg has recused himself in the matter.
Barnhill also questions the probe's methodology, disputing the selection of investigators in the probe, tactics, targets, the delegation of authority to the investigator and the probe's timing with regard to the election.
A probe into the matter is gearing up just as Palin and McCain have kicked their campaign for the White House into full gear after last week's convention. The investigation is expected to conclude in early October, a few weeks before the November presidential elections but may now be delayed until just before voters go to the polls.

Russ Britt is the Los Angeles bureau chief for MarketWatch.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:


Well the last I looked the congress is controlled by Democrat's what proposals have been put forward in the last 2 years?

Did it ever occur to you that with Bush still in office the Democrat control Congress would not get far with any proposal because he will veto anything strictly because of party politics?. They are waiting for someone like Obama to be in the White House that is why. It is very logical.
Have they proposed anything? Obama will not be proposing cutting taxes, he wants more government control of our everyday lives and that means more government jobs and how do you think that's gonna get paid for. Logical?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Mcain was against the tax cuts before he was for them...

don't expect any more tax cuts no matter what he says now, he won't be able to do anything ayway, because he'll have a dem house and senate...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:

Now the USA is suppose to correct all the problems in 3rd world countries? All I've heard is how we should have stayed out of Iraq and let them work out their own problems. Please make up your mind! Oh wait if a democrat president proposes something we should rush right in.
Close the border and restict the ability of illegals to work and they will go home.

Why not? Don't we pressure Latin American gov't's to eradicate drug trafficking by raiding labs, arresting cartel members, more scrutiny of banks to stop money laundering etc.? We already are involved in Latin America, where have you been?.

This is the most stupidest statement I have heard on the subject: "Close the border and restict the ability of illegals to work and they will go home."

That is like saying the same thing for drugs. Closing the border is not the solution and will not stop the stem of drugs and much less illegal immigration.

And next time read what i say before commenting. I said we should "PRESSURE" the Governments of Latin American countries to come up with solutions to their poverty problems instead of us just closing the borders and thinking that will solve illegal immigration. Which it won't. This is the richest country in the world (though that can be debatable now) and if a illegal immigrant wants to get here he or she will. Where there is a will there is a way. But if you Pressure countries south of the border to resolve their poverty problems (key word: pressure. I never said we solve their problems)you will see a significant decrease in illegal immigration. Not completely gone but not out of control like it is now.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
restricting their ability to work will work.

there's a big difference between drug cartels and the people who hire illegals...
dope dealers expect legal problems, normal business owners avoid them whenever they can...

take the profit out with stiff fines and send people to weekend jails... they'll stop hiring them right away
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Whose taxes do you imagine will pay off our debt to China for your war dufus?

Bdgee, Please stop with the name calling. Who said it was my war?
Exactly what is OBAMA going to do when we pull our troops out of the middle east and they decide to turn off the oil pumps? You think folks where ready to go to war after 9/11? We'll be right back there in a flash.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
comeoen now, you don't really think going to war made oil more abundant or cheaper?

or that oil is only flowing because we have troops in the mideast?
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Have they proposed anything? Obama will not be proposing cutting taxes, he wants more government control of our everyday lives and that means more government jobs and how do you think that's gonna get paid for. Logical?

Why propose anything when it's not going to be done right now but later. That would be a waste of taxpayer money to propose something prematurately. Raising taxes is a reactive thing. Bush Sr. did it even though he said no more new taxes. He came to the realization that it won't work to solve the major Deficit Reagan left behind and that is where we are now. No matter who becomes President that person sooner or later will realize the budget deficit will require tax increases to shrink it. That is inevitable. Raising taxes is REACTIVE. Do you really f*cking think that Obama or anyone wants to raise taxes to create Gov't jobs? You really don't think these issues through do you.

The deficit is about $407 Billion with it being at $438 Billion by 2009 (my #'s might be off but it's high up there). Double of last year. And that is before taking into account the Freddie/Fannie fiasco. Again, do you think Bush's tax cuts help this deficit & do you think another GOP tax cut for the wealthy will help this deficit?. If McCain becomes President, which I hop he doesn't, but if he does he will have to do what Bush Sr. had to do. There is no way out of it. It's not about f*cking creating Gov't jobs.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
restricting their ability to work will work.

there's a big difference between drug cartels and the people who hire illegals...
dope dealers expect legal problems, normal business owners avoid them whenever they can...

take the profit out with stiff fines and send people to weekend jails... they'll stop hiring them right away

It won't stop it nor decrease it. One will stop hiring them and another will hire them instead. Because of the basic human urge of Greed or to stay in business. Again it is like drugs in that if you take down one cartel another one springs up. Do you think legal problems, fines, jail time stops people from trafficking in drugs? of course not. Nor will it for illegal immigration and such. Again, pressure latin american countries to solve their poverty problems and you will see the decrease here because they will stay in their country if there is more opportunity , more people becoming middle class etc. That is more logical.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
comeoen now, you don't really think going to war made oil more abundant or cheaper?

or that oil is only flowing because we have troops in the mideast?



I believe we were attacked by a powerful group originating in the middle east, a group that if left unchecked would have disrupted the oil supply , not only to the USA but the rest of the world. Our involvement in Iraq has been expensive and could probably been avoided, but since we are there we should make every effort to secure a strategic advantage in our war against extreme islamic terrorism.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Do you think legal problems, fines, jail time stops people from trafficking in drugs? of course not. Nor will it for illegal immigration and such.

sorry, but you aren't even close on this...

Joe Blow's cafe can't hide the illegal dishwashers in stash holes...

it's apples and oranges..

Joe Blow will not hire illegals if it means he'll lose his yearly profits while dope dealers add the cost of legal fees plus into their profit margins when they decide to do business..

it is illegal to hire illegals.. just enforce the current law is all they have to do...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
I believe we were attacked by a powerful group originating in the middle east, a group that if left unchecked would have disrupted the oil supply , not only to the USA but the rest of the world. Our involvement in Iraq has been expensive and could probably been avoided, but since we are there we should make every effort to secure a strategic advantage in our war against extreme islamic terrorism.

i beleive we were attacked by an idiot who actually should have been caught because he didn't even bother to go into hiding before the 9-11 attack...

Iraq/sadam had nothing to do with 9-11... period. and they still aren't producing as much oil now as they were when we attacked.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Whose taxes do you imagine will pay off our debt to China for your war dufus?

Bdgee, Please stop with the name calling. Who said it was my war?
Exactly what is OBAMA going to do when we pull our troops out of the middle east and they decide to turn off the oil pumps? You think folks where ready to go to war after 9/11? We'll be right back there in a flash.

You are a party first loyal republican. War in Iraq is republican loyalty war, thus, it is your war.


That war has nothing to do with the welfare of the United States of America. It was designed to create a one party republican majority in the Country.

It's only connection to oil is so that the republicans can repay the oil companies for financing their fixing of the Florida vote in 2000, by siphoning off funds from the U. S. Treasury and placing them in the coffer of the oil barons, which, in turn, they hide out offshore and never pay taxes on them.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Whose taxes do you imagine will pay off our debt to China for your war dufus?

Bdgee, Please stop with the name calling. Who said it was my war?
Exactly what is OBAMA going to do when we pull our troops out of the middle east and they decide to turn off the oil pumps? You think folks where ready to go to war after 9/11? We'll be right back there in a flash.

That's not name calling you goose. It's an honorable and sincere question. Seems to have you stumped. But, then, so much that involves integrity does....like hollering name callin when it isnt'.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
what's a dufus?
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
All I have to say about what Obama will do about taxes is just go to his web site.

Most of the cuts will be for folks that make under $50,000 per year evry one from that point on will realize a little help but stay about the same . Until you get to $250,000 and up and you loose some ground. So what they have had the advantage for so long.like since Ronald Reagan what there obligation is is still very small compared to what they used to pay not like now at the expense of the country. May I add a country who's system allowed for them to get there and protect them they do owe something back. What they will be is close to there 30 year historic lows

Inturn we will get better schools more employed people a healthier people and country with less crime.

Either that or we will have more of what we got plus a VP that says god talks to her. How would you like to have that get the 3 am telephone call
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
The only tax most people who make under 50,000 pay are social security/medicare and sales tax.

Obama is going to increase income tax on the hard working, job creating americans.
An American who is over taxed will just pay the taxes and forget about creating the jobs. Then all those people making under 250,000.00 can get in the government line for hand outs.

It's called socialism.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
The only tax most people who make under 50,000 pay are social security/medicare and sales tax.

Obama is going to increase income tax on the hard working, job creating americans.
An American who is over taxed will just pay the taxes and forget about creating the jobs. Then all those people making under 250,000.00 can get in the government line for hand outs.

It's called socialism.

you should see what Palin did in Alaska.

she raised taxes on oil co's and GAVE the cash to all Alaskans...

that's socialism too... why are you cheering for her again?

Palin oil tax gets cold shoulder

PPT: No special session needed, says the resource association head.

The Associated Press

Published: September 7, 2007
Last Modified: September 7, 2007 at 10:03 AM

FAIRBANKS -- The head of the Alaska Oil and Gas Association presented Gov. Sarah Palin with a long list of concerns regarding her new oil tax proposal.
Marilyn Crockett said this week that the proposal could decrease investment in the state by raising the tax burden on companies.

Crockett also said it would replace a tax that isn't broken and has not yet had a chance to work.

"The industry does not want to have a special session," she told members of the Alaska Support Industry Alliance at a luncheon in Fairbanks.

Other members of the oil and gas association, which include Exxon Mobil, BP and Conoco Phillips, also expressed their reservations about Palin's proposal.

"We agree with the governor's approach to stay with a PPT-based tax structure; however, we are concerned that the tax rates proposed will make every single project look less attractive for us to reinvest," Kevin Mitchell, vice president of finance and administration for Conoco Phillips, wrote in an e-mail to the Fairbanks Daily News-Miner.

Palin this week restated her intention to call a special legislative session next month to revisit the oil production tax passed last summer. She also presented an outline for a new tax that would increase the tax rate.


it's unclear whether she has raised taxes on oil co's in Alaska two or three times....

if it really is three? that's very fast work since she's only been in office since Dec '06...


The increase backed by the Republican vice presidential nominee will, at current prices, raise oil revenue to $11 billion this year -- almost twice what the state needs to fund its government -- state documents show. Alaska also has gotten more money from the federal government than its residents pay in taxes -- $1.75 per tax dollar in 2006, the most recent year available, according to the Tax Foundation, a Washington research group.


Alaska has no state income, property or sales tax. the oil co's pay 85% of all taxes in Alaska and she GIVES cash to people from it...

straight up socialism... this from a conservative? LOL... it's a JOKE! and the joke is on the American People.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
she's not running for president and I see McCain as the less dangerous of the two.

If Palin is such a socialist why aren't the Democrats cheering for her?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
she's not running for president and I see McCain as the less dangerous of the two.

If Palin is such a socialist why aren't the Democrats cheering for her?

McCain needed palin...

Palin is a social conservative and an economic socialist...

i'm not making this stuff up..

nobody has even mentioned this oil tax stuff on any of the major news channels that i've seen...

they talk about her selling the jet on ebay, but it didn't sell on ebay.. it was brokered at a 600,000$ loss..

nobody seems to even care about the truth anymore.

it's all about photo-ops and soundbites...

Palin, in her vice-presidential acceptance speech Sept. 3, touted her fiscal credentials by saying she trimmed a half- billion dollars from the state budget. She used a line-item veto to cut hundreds of grants, including $300,000 for a Catholic Community Services family counseling and adoption program, $6,200 to repair the sidewalk in front of an Anchorage elementary school and $6 million to replace an aging Anchorage fire station.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
What she doesn't like Catholic's?

I've read about and seen it reported about the Oil company taxes. You saying when OBAMA gets congress to tax oil companies on all that excess profits where all going to get a check? I'd say it will go to expanding social dependancy on the government.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
I'd say it will go to expanding social dependancy on the government.

Alaskans get 1.75 BACK in US Fed spending ofr every dollar they pay...

here's what i see happening today:

Social Conservatives and Fiscal liberals have taken over the GOP, that's how we got into this mess we are in.

only HONEST people will actually tell you they are going to raise taxes. if Mccain doesn't raise taxes? we'll be 20 trillion or more into debt in 8 years...

i don't want taxes raised. but i also don't want to see my kids inherit a 20 TRILLION dollar national debt...

it was "only" 4 trillion when Bush got into office.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
No matter what the right says we do not need a McCain Palin ticket what a financial mess we would have.

It is a sure fact that trickle down does not work in America any body that would support it would be totaly unaware of the lst 30 years.
What does work for society is you put moore spending power in the hands of lower income people.

As for expanding social dependancy on Government look at Alaska the best example of in America.

The nuts up there keep complaining about the Government but most of them owe there living to Federal tax dollars directly or indirectly.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Sarah Palin Defends Experience, Takes Hard Line Approach on National Security
Republican VP Candidate Speaks with ABC News' Charles Gibson in Exclusive Interview

By RUSSELL GOLDMAN
Sept. 11, 2008


On the anniversary of the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Gov. Sarah Palin took a hard-line approach on national security and said that war with Russia may be necessary if Georgia were to join NATO and be invaded by Russia.

Charles Gibson asks Gov. Sarah Palin if she's prepared to be vice president.


In her first of three interviews with ABC News' Charles Gibson and the only interview since being picked by Sen. John McCain as his Republican vice presidential nominee, Palin categorized the Russian invasion of Georgia as "unacceptable" and warned of the threats from Islamic terrorists and a nuclear Iran.


Already talking war with Russia.

When Gibson said if under the NATO treaty, the United States would have to go to war if Russia again invaded Georgia, Palin responded: "Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you're going to be expected to be called upon and help.

So it is Perhaps or yes.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5778018&page=1
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Social Conservatives and Fiscal liberals have taken over the GOP, that's how we got into this mess we are in.
Actually, I agree with that. What we need are fiscal conservatives. McCain will not be good for the country financially. Obama is a socialist and will be even worse. It's a lose/lose proposition.

quote:
only HONEST people will actually tell you they are going to raise taxes. if Mccain doesn't raise taxes? we'll be 20 trillion or more into debt in 8 years...
We don't need taxes raised, we need taxes lowered and entitlements DRASTICALLY cut.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
The only tax most people who make under 50,000 pay are social security/medicare and sales tax.

Obama is going to increase income tax on the hard working, job creating americans.
An American who is over taxed will just pay the taxes and forget about creating the jobs. Then all those people making under 250,000.00 can get in the government line for hand outs.

It's called socialism.

You really are a simple minded fool if you believe all that BS you strew about. Put that crap in your own yard and keep it there so the rest of us don't have to put up with your stinking stupid lies. Do you have any thing to say that isn't a lie?

Someone MUST raise taxes or this Nation goes out of existence. But then, that's the ultimate design of republican tactic and is all they have wanted since their King Nixon was dethroned.

YES SHE IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT AND IF McCAIN WINS, SHE WILL BE PRESIDENT WITHIN THREE YEARS.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
Social Conservatives and Fiscal liberals have taken over the GOP, that's how we got into this mess we are in.
Actually, I agree with that. What we need are fiscal conservatives. McCain will not be good for the country financially. Obama is a socialist and will be even worse. It's a lose/lose proposition.

quote:
only HONEST people will actually tell you they are going to raise taxes. if Mccain doesn't raise taxes? we'll be 20 trillion or more into debt in 8 years...
We don't need taxes raised, we need taxes lowered and entitlements DRASTICALLY cut.

Palin is a practicing Socialist. Taking money from oil companies and redistributing to the people of Alaska. The oil tax along with federal money is the majority of her budget. How would she do on a national scale without those available? Or would she just tax all oil companies to make up the budget deficit.

Once again which entitlements are you talking about? Social Security and Medicare? Because those are the largest entitlements in the budget. Entitlements which by the way have been paid into throughtout the life of an individual.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
but she looked good saying it, and if you don't think about what she says too hard? it all makes sense...
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Once again which entitlements are you talking about? Social Security and Medicare? Because those are the largest entitlements in the budget. Entitlements which by the way have been paid into throughtout the life of an individual.
YES! I would immediately raise the age for social security benefits and phase out social security altogether for people who enter the job market in the future. I would also eliminate the new medicare drug benefit. In addition, I would phase out welfare over a short period of time; phase out Section 8 and other government housing programs; stop providing medical care through emergency rooms for people with colds and other minor medical issues; etc, etc, etc. In other words, I would take an axe to these programs and allow people to once again be responsible for themselves!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
good thing you aren't counting on getting elected to make your living [Wink]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
once you eliminate SS you can't very well charge people for it...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:

it is illegal to hire illegals.. just enforce the current law is all they have to do...

LoL yah, enforce the law and the problem goes away because we all know enforcing laws in this country or in other countries stops crimes especially non-violent crimes [Good Luck] This is one and probably the only issue you are not a realist Glass...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
The only tax most people who make under 50,000 pay are social security/medicare and sales tax.

Obama is going to increase income tax on the hard working, job creating americans.
An American who is over taxed will just pay the taxes and forget about creating the jobs. Then all those people making under 250,000.00 can get in the government line for hand outs.

It's called socialism.

I don't know about you but when i was making under $50,000 per year i was being taxed for more then just the ones you named... but here's some food for thought for both you and the little minded PMS:

And deeper in debtFigures show country's shaky finances

Newsday.com September 11, 2008

The candidates running for president talk a lot about taxes: who will cut them, who will cut them more, and who will raise them. What they don't talk enough about is the need to improve the truly sorry state of the federal government's finances.

Washington will end the year $407 billion in the red, the Congressional Budget Office said Tuesday. Years of deficit spending has left the government $9.7 trillion in debt. The interest alone will cost taxpayers $431 billion this year. More than half that debt is owed to foreign countries and other outside lenders whom we'll pay $3.35 trillion in interest over 10 years.

Why do red ink and debt matter? Every dime paid in interest - 7.9 percent of all federal spending this year - is a dime that's not available for things people want from government. Things like Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid and other mandatory programs that account for 54 percent of all federal spending. And national defense, which is another 20.5 percent. Together, that's more than $8 of every $10 that Washington spends.

The rest - medical research, environmental protection, law enforcement, food and drug safety, and everything else subject to annual appropriations by Congress - will cost $476 billion this year. Compare that to the $407 billion deficit, and it's clear that Washington is living on borrowed money.


With aging baby boomers poised to drive the cost of Social Security and Medicare through the roof, voters need to ask Barack Obama and John McCain if they plan to end the nation's borrowing binge. And they need straight answers.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Glass is exactly right on this issue. If you want to stop illegal immigration, enforce the penalties/stiffen the penalties for employers. Another way to handle it is to make it illegal to rent or sell a house/apartment to them. With no place to live or work, the majority won't stay.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Glass is exactly right on this issue. If you want to stop illegal immigration, enforce the penalties/stiffen the penalties for employers. Another way to handle it is to make it illegal to rent or sell a house/apartment to them. With no place to live or work, the majority won't stay.

Wow, you really don't know poverty in other countries... do you think living on the streets would bother them as much as it would an American? lol
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Glass is exactly right on this issue. If you want to stop illegal immigration, enforce the penalties/stiffen the penalties for employers. Another way to handle it is to make it illegal to rent or sell a house/apartment to them. With no place to live or work, the majority won't stay.

Wow, you really don't know poverty in other countries... do you think living on the streets would bother them as much as it would an American? lol
If we instituted the cuts that PM adovcates it would be hard to tell who was who living on the streets as there would be millions and millions more americans living on the street looking for soup kitchens. I guess he forgot why FDR started Social security, medicare and unemployment to begin with and what this country would look like without it.

As for the comment by Lockman that people making uder $50K don't pay taxes. That comment is as out of touch with reality as McCain saying that the economy is sound. I paid taxes my whole life, quite a few of those years early on I made under $25K and always paid taxes, in fact i don't remember one year that I ever received a full refund of what was taken out by my employer. I still do simple taxes for a few nephews and nieces who are single and make around $20K. They pay taxes. I mean the taxes are taken out by their employer and they don't get it all back in the form of a return.
 
Posted by thinkmoney on :
 
But, living in their native streets will be easier than here ...
 
Posted by thinkmoney on :
 
I no longer know what we have but when a segment of society abuses the populace (oil firms), then I dont consider it socialism to take away what is not theirs and give it back to all.....

It would be socialist if the oil firms earned it the capitalistic way but I dont feel they have - they stole it and govt let them - so to give back to all is fair -- more democratic then socialistic --- I consider socialism as taking away from folks that earned the rewards of capitalism - the oil greed in bed with govt stole it --
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I guess he forgot why FDR started Social security, medicare and unemployment to begin with and what this country would look like without it.

As for the comment by Lockman that people making uder $50K don't pay taxes. That comment is as out of touch with reality as McCain saying that the economy is sound. I paid taxes my whole life, quite a few of those years early on I made under $25K and always paid taxes, in fact i don't remember one year that I ever received a full refund of what was taken out by my employer. I still do simple taxes for a few nephews and nieces who are single and make around $20K. They pay taxes. I mean the taxes are taken out by their employer and they don't get it all back in the form of a return.

Exactly on both the FDR and Taxes comments... your a wise man Wally
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thinkmoney:
But, living in their native streets will be easier than here ...

They are survivors... they have seen and been through a whole lot worst then you or I could fathom... much like the Russians and the Gulag of the former Soviet Union... they laugh at our prison system because it's a walk in the park compared to back home... none of what Glass and others are suggesting will deter them because no matter what the conditions here are way better then back home...

My suggestion is reasonable of attacking the source of the problem... that is poverty from their homelands... I am not suggesting at all of giving financial aid to those countries to solve their poverty problems but i am suggesting that we use political pressure on them to do something about the poverty in their countries... once living in those countries improves for the poor in that they have opportunity to become middle class you will see illegal immigration here decrease... that is what will deter them from illegally immigrating... a better life in their countries as opposed to one here...

The funny thing is that you guys have no problems with our Gov't pressuring other countries in regards to other issues politically but with this one you do have a problem with political pressure... go figure [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
If we instituted the cuts that PM adovcates it would be hard to tell who was who living on the streets as there would be millions and millions more americans living on the street looking for soup kitchens. I guess he forgot why FDR started Social security, medicare and unemployment to begin with and what this country would look like without it.
I guess I have more faith in people than you do. Without government handouts, I think that most people would choose to work instead of being homeless and starving. This country was built by people that could fend for themselves, not a bunch of weak socialists that need the government to spoon feed them.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
If we instituted the cuts that PM adovcates it would be hard to tell who was who living on the streets as there would be millions and millions more americans living on the street looking for soup kitchens. I guess he forgot why FDR started Social security, medicare and unemployment to begin with and what this country would look like without it.
I guess I have more faith in people than you do. Without government handouts, I think that most people would choose to work instead of being homeless and starving. This country was built by people that could fend for themselves, not a bunch of weak socialists that need the government to spoon feed them.
Unbelievable. The programs you are talking about; Social Security, Medicare and unemployment are for people that have worked in 2 of the cases for their whole lives. I'm guessing that you believe that people need to work until the day they die, if they haven't worked in a capacity that has afforded the luxury of having enough money to have invested wisely enough to afford retirement. So what do we do with people that can't work due to illness or later in life who suffer from alzhiemer's?

Have you ever heard of the working poor? They are real not a figment of the imagination.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Social security pays for it self and it will for many more years.

If the Government would repay the money that they steal I mean barrow from it ,it would last even longer.

The government needs to have pressure put on it lower the retirement age to 58 and minimum monthly pay out of $2000.00 a month. Then let the dumb ass right wing figure where they are going to get there money for wars. Instead of them starting wars and wonder how we can keep the thieven hands off our social security.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
When I was making under 50,000.00 a year I was paying a good amount of taxes. And I could have used it for food clothes tires and many more things
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
This is one and probably the only issue you are not a realist Glass...


actually, i'm not, and you know it. after the Mccain Kennedy bill failed? Bush finally started doing his job and began going after employers hiring illegals like they should have all along...


it's working...


51 illegal immigrants, 2 others arrested in raid at Palm Springs bakery
A former and a current supervisor are accused of hiring the workers in exchange for $3,000 each.
By Anna Gorman, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
September 11, 2008
A work site raid at a Palm Springs bakery Wednesday resulted in the arrests of 51 illegal immigrant workers and their current and former supervisors, who allegedly hired the employees in exchange for money.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said the agency had opened an investigation into Palm Springs Baking Co. based on a tip in 2006 that the business was hiring unauthorized workers.

During the investigation, officials said, they discovered that more than 100 of 130 Social Security numbers were invalid or didn't match the names of employees. Many of the Social Security numbers belonged to U.S. citizens or legal workers from California and several other states, as well as to people who had died, according to court papers. About 25 people were using fake numbers, court papers said.

Both the current supervisor, 52-year-old Margarita Avilez Hernandez, and the former manager, 36-year-old Alicia Ramirez, face criminal charges and could get six months in federal prison if convicted.
Authorities said that the immigrants each paid $3,000 to get hired at the bakery and that many of them told the managers they were here illegally.

The arrests were the latest in a string of immigration enforcement actions at work sites nationwide. Between Sept. 30, 2007, and Aug. 30 of this year, the agency arrested about 4,700 illegal workers on suspicion of administrative immigration law violations and 1,070 others on criminal charges.


http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-illegal11-2008sep11,0,3333083.story


this is ORGANIZED CRIME and as the Feds continue to prosecute and hand out stiff fines and jail sentences, the jobs will disappear.

many places are now running everyone arrested thru a federal database to determine citizenship...

illegals are being allowed to go home rather than do time:

RI, federal agency in deal on immigrant prisoners

By RAY HENRY – 2 days ago

PROVIDENCE, R.I. (AP) — Rhode Island's prison system has entered into an agreement with U.S. immigration authorities that allows for the early release of illegal immigrants imprisoned for nonviolent offenses if they agree to be deported, Gov. Don Carcieri said Tuesday.

Under the deal between the state Department of Corrections and U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, nonviolent inmates in the state prison could be released early if they have been ordered to leave the U.S. and agree not to return. Ex-prisoners caught re-entering the U.S. could be forced to serve the remainder of their state prison sentences and face new federal charges carrying additional 20-year sentences.
The agreement is among the less controversial elements of a crackdown Carcieri launched on the estimated 20,000 to 40,000 illegal immigrants in Rhode Island in March, when he signed an executive order that requires state police and prison officials to identify illegal immigrants for potential deportation. State police have yet to reach an agreement with federal immigration officials laying out how they would work together.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j0jdko0JnbCUoS9EvRd8J9J-0YbQD933ELB80
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Crackdown has illegal immigrants leaving Arizona
The Arizona Republic

NOGALES, Sonora - It's a common scene this time of year: streams of overloaded cars, pickups and vans with U.S. license plates crossing into Mexico for the holidays.
Most are filled with Hispanic families from Arizona and other states on their way to visit relatives south of the border for a few weeks before heading back to the U.S. But this year, the holiday travelers are being joined by scores of families such as Jorge and Liliana Franco, who are driving to Mexico not to visit but to stay - permanently.
Congress' failure to pass comprehensive immigration reform, immigration crackdowns, Arizona's new employer-sanctions law and a sluggish economy have combined to create a climate families such as the Francos no longer find hospitable.


Many undocumented immigrants leaving Long Island

BY DAVE MARCUS | dave.marcus*newsday.com
August 7, 2008
While lawmakers debate measures to reduce the number of undocumented immigrants on Long Island, something unexpected is happening: Some immigrants are leaving, not because of legislation, but because of the economy.

"Work has dried up, and you can't afford to live here if you don't have money coming in regularly," said Jose Maldonado, 33, a carpenter and roof installer from Honduras who has lived in Huntington Station for five years. Maldonado said he can find work every other day at best, which makes it increasingly tough to pay $500 for the bedroom with no bathroom he shares with another worker.


sheesh...

Study: Thousands of illegal immigrants leaving U.S.

By Eunice Moscoso
WASHINGTON STAFF
Wednesday, July 30, 2008

WASHINGTON — Illegal immigrants are going home.

That is the conclusion of a study released Wednesday that says that stepped-up enforcement efforts are working, causing many illegal immigrants to self-deport.

The population has declined 11 percent since last summer — from 12.5 million to 11.2 million, according to the report by the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington think tank that advocates lower levels of immigration.


[Roll Eyes]


Some groups of immigrants leaving Utah
August 14th, 2008 * 5:40am
By Paul Nelson

The country as a whole is seeing a mass exodus of illegal immigrants, but are these immigrants leaving Utah as well? Some groups are, but others are not.

In a recent Spanish radio talk show in Utah, one of the topics became, "Why are illegal immigrants leaving the country so quickly?" The Center for Immigration Studies says 1.3 million illegal immigrants have left the country since last year.


Immigrations and Customs Enforcement agencies say there have been more than 235,000 formal removals and voluntary returns already this fiscal year, which is more than they had in the entire fiscal year of 2006. Plus, Yapias says Latino businesses are feeling the economic downfall like everyone else.

 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
actually, i'm not, and you know it. after the Mccain Kennedy bill failed? Bush finally started doing his job and began going after employers hiring illegals like they should have all along...


it's working...


Yah, I know your not being a realist with this issue... again your not showing me anything that says it will decrease illegal immigration... you bust one employer another one takes his place... you deport one illegal immigrant , another one takes his place... simple as that.. but you pressure Mexico politically to do something about their poverty problem and in the near future less of them will want to immigrate here because there is opportunity in their own country to improve their lives with better pay and class status... makes sense? I think so.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Question? If say somehow, tomorrow, we were able to get rid of every illegal immigrant in this country what to you think would happen in regard to prices we pay today?

Do you really think that american workers would work for the pay that the illegal immigrant workers for and live in a bedroom with a bath they have to share?

Or would the cost of doing business go up and then raise the cost of living for the rest of the country?
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Do you really think that american workers would work for the pay that the illegal immigrant workers for and live in a bedroom with a bath they have to share?
Not while the government pays people to sit on their butt all day and watch their big screen TV!!! However, shut off those entitlements and they might suddenly be a little more motivated to work.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
how do I get get paid to sit on my butt all day and watch a big screen tv?...sounds good. even tho I have bad legs, back, shoulders,..i work a physical demanding job, play music, make money on the course,work on my rental, I cant afford health insurance but I make too much to get medical help(need it badly to keep working). So..all I have to do is stop working and be lazy and I'll be able to live the life of riley?from what I've learned..if you are healthy and able to work, the gorvn. does everything it can to prevent you from getting aid. Sec. 8 is hard to get and they constantly check up on you.
...lets not take two steps back to try and achieve one step forward...
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
So..all I have to do is stop working and be lazy and I'll be able to live the life of riley?
YOU BROKE THE CODE! Be lazy and play the victim and you too will soon be watching that big screen TV courtesy of the taxpayers!

quote:
from what I've learned..if you are healthy and able to work, the gorvn. does everything it can to prevent you from getting aid. Sec. 8 is hard to get and they constantly check up on you.
Not to worry, I have plenty of lazy, healthy tenants who get Section 8. If they can do it, you can too!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Believe it or not, PM, there are folks that are not healthy and able to work and aren't rich.

Of course, should one show up, you'll look the other way and take care not to see him or decry his race or mode of dress or whatever you can find or make up.....anything to belittle, embarrass, and disenfranchise someone who is not rich and all for the sake of your vulgar twisted ego.

Comes along a guy with money, selfish like you, crippled and ugly and you'll be showing him off as a hero and savior of America, ignoring the fact that he got rich working as a pimp providing underage teen age girls for Mafia get togethers.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Comes along a guy with money, selfish like you, crippled and ugly and you'll be showing him off as a hero and savior of America, ignoring the fact that he got rich working as a pimp providing underage teen age girls for Mafia get togethers.
It's a little early in the day to be drinking! You'd just about have to be drinking to come up with this gibberish!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
You couldn't come up with anything like that, dunk or sober, because your mind, such as it is, is closed and without true thought.

So, I suppose, being as that you call gibberish is on decidedly higher plane than you can envision existing, it clearly is gibberish to you.

Nothing I can do about that. I ain't a magician, ya know. No way to make you capable.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Not to worry, I have plenty of lazy, healthy tenants who get Section 8. If they can do it, you can too!

And you have no problem renting to them knowingly that they are healthy and able to work instead of reporting them to the Gov't right? ... I smell hyprocrisy from you yet again and from what i can gather your a criminal by aiding ones who abuse the Section 8 program.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
More ridiculous drivel! I am in the rental business TO MAKE MONEY! I strongly advocate that the government stop the handouts, but as long as that is the reality of the system - I'm taking it.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Yes, total HYPROCRISY. It's like if you lived in the Netherlands where drugs is legal or Italy where Prostitution is legal, and say your against such things but yet your a drugdealer or a pimp. Same thing. Except in your case your breaking the law by not reporting a crime (fraud) by knowing that your tenants are healthy enough to work etc...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Mach,

Don't be so critical of PM's motives and actual practices. Show bit of consideration and compassion.

If he were capable of understanding things that are this indirect he wouldn't be simple minded.....he wouldn't be him. Think about that, now, please.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Except in your case your breaking the law by not reporting a crime (fraud) by knowing that your tenants are healthy enough to work etc...
That's silly! Don't you think that the government knows they all could work? Of course they do! One or two could slip through the cracks, but when they're all healthy - that's intentional (thanks to you lefties)!!! It's not fraud (even though it should be) when the government is promoting it! It IS a disgrace! It IS enslaving poor people! It IS destroying our country? But Fraud? Maybe a fraud on the taxpayers!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
"That's silly! Don't you think that the government knows they all could work? "

Not if, as you claim, they are getting money from the government on the condition of being unable o work.

What is a disgrace is for some selfish mean bas-tard that hates everyone that is either not a far right-wing mad man or filthy rich to make himself rich taking that government money when he supposedly knows the people are taking money from the government under flse pretenses.

Have you not a patriotic bone in your body? THIS IS AMERICA. Report those welfare cheats! I think there must be some reward or award for doing that, the Ronald Reagan Caught 'em Too prize, maybe.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Bdgee,

If you disagree with all the handouts - LOOK IN THE MIRROR! You and the rest of the whiney, victim oriented lefties are completely responsible for this mess!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Bdgee,

If you disagree with all the handouts - LOOK IN THE MIRROR! You and the rest of the whiney, victim oriented lefties are completely responsible for this mess!

BS.

It's you and your kind and the free market and golden parachutes for management that generates 90 % of the evil in the world today, including the damage to the U.S. economy.

You would starve to death if you couldn't syphon off graft from government welfare programs intended for people of need, for which any honest willing to work businessman should be ashamed. Government graft is all you know how to do!
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
PMS...
I know you are one dishonest, money-grubbing,egocentric,slumlord...now thats just a fact. No sarcasam or exaggeration or name-calling...just fact. anyone besides Lilly-white, pansy-azz PMS disagree?
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
I thought not...


Pucker-up, buttercup...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
You forgot to include that he is just plumb mean.

Mean, like a mad yellow jacket or a p.o.ed baboon.

Not the mean that's sort of like near average or half way, though, cause he's nowhere close to that, less than that......definitely on the beneath part of human, if he's even on the same scale as humans.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
You guys are just downright sad when you are losing! It's a pity that name calling and gibberish are all you have to contribute.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
You make us sad  - knowing that people ,such as yourself  - , can spew such bigoted hatred  - for their fellow compadre.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
I ain't sad, except that someone like you that is so full of hate and so disgustingly mean gets to spout lies constantly and doesn't even know how sick and sickening he is.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
"But an examination of her swift rise and record as mayor of Wasilla and then governor finds that her visceral style and penchant for attacking critics — she sometimes calls local opponents “haters” — contrasts with her carefully crafted public image.

Throughout her political career, she has pursued vendettas, fired officials who crossed her and sometimes blurred the line between government and personal grievance, according to a review of public records and interviews with 60 Republican and Democratic legislators and local officials."


Small town politics can be very viscous once the person is elected. This seems to be the case with Palin.

"Interviews show that Ms. Palin runs an administration that puts a premium on loyalty and secrecy. The governor and her top officials sometimes use personal e-mail accounts for state business; dozens of e-mail messages obtained by The New York Times show that her staff members studied whether that could allow them to circumvent subpoenas seeking public records.

Rick Steiner, a University of Alaska professor, sought the e-mail messages of state scientists who had examined the effect of global warming on polar bears. (Ms. Palin said the scientists had found no ill effects, and she has sued the federal government to block the listing of the bears as endangered.) An administration official told Mr. Steiner that it would cost $468,784 to process his request.

When Mr. Steiner finally obtained the e-mail messages — through a federal records request — he discovered that state scientists had in fact agreed that the bears were in danger, records show.

“Their secrecy is off the charts,” Mr. Steiner said."


Secrecy and sticking to stories that are proven untrue. Hmm, Remind you of anyone? There is a lot more in the 4 page article linked below.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26691018/
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
The Republican strategy seems to be working. Keep everybody talking about nonexistant bridges, lipstick, troopers and drilling. Then people won't look any further.

How about talking about the fact that Palin would be president if McCain were to become incapcitated or die in office. Would you really feel safe with Palin in office dealing with Russia on the basis that she commands the Alaskan National guard and she can see Russia from an island in Alaska?

Foreign Relations are going to be as important if not more important than the economy is the next few years. Current policy in dealing with Russia is leading to a confrontation McCain/Palin seem intent on persuing policies that are even more agressive and reckless than Bush/Cheney.

Also, since when has the Vice Presidency become this powerful position that McCain keeps touting. He states that Palin will clean house. In my many years of following politics, many have passed on accepting the VP nomination because of the weakness of the position. Maybe since Cheney has been there things have changed. Since 1900 only 2 former VP's, that didn't take over as president prior to running have become President. Richard Nixon and George Bush I. The other 5 were elected as sitting presidents.

Hmm, Since Palin had to ask what a VP does maybe the McCain camp told her a lie, that she would have power to make changes and since she didn't know any better she believed them.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
After I saw as much of Palin interview as I could stand I came aware that she is one of the best car salespeople that I have ever seen or heard in my life.

Most of the questions she could not answer but she addressed the question with a yes but let me tell you what I do know. Great sales job and sales 101 give a lot of information that says nothing it is a sales tactic that has worked for hundreds of years.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
there's a reason sales people are the way they are, decades of success... [Frown]
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
palin and clinton


http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Li...y-open/656281/
 
Posted by Highwaychild on :
 
Page not found Jordan, but I saw it....
Palin(Tina Fey) tellin' everybody to stop callin' her a M.I.L.F.! LOL! Pretty funny stuff.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Saturday night live palin and clinton:

This link works now for me:

http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/palin-hillary-open/656281/

If not, there is a link to it on this page:

http://www.nbc.com/
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
thanks
 
Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
After I saw as much of Palin interview as I could stand I came aware that she is one of the best car salespeople that I have ever seen or heard in my life.

Most of the questions she could not answer but she addressed the question with a yes but let me tell you what I do know. Great sales job and sales 101 give a lot of information that says nothing it is a sales tactic that has worked for hundreds of years.

Sadly...most successful politicians in this country are nothing more than salesmen.

Whats even worse is....that is good enough for the majority of Americans...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
"most successful politicians in this country are nothing more than salesmen. "

Aren't you being sexist again?
 
Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
Nit picky today...aren't we?

Didn't really mean anything by it...just a figure of speech.

I apologize if I offended anyone...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
I was being facetious.

I didn't intend to be chastising you for using the English language the way it is constructed. It is built into the language to refer to things that are not known to be absolutely female as if the actors are male. (On the other hand, even many things known to not be female get tagged as if they were, like ships and storms and countries. English is, contrary to the wishes and practice of far too many "wanna be" latin scholars, a Germanic language and nouns, sometimes altered by the particular usage, have gender.)

Thus, in spite of the ignorance of various attorneys, particular some on the Supreme Court, the statement that "all men are created equal" does not leave out women.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
UPDATE: 9/12
This is a comment I read on CBS News under the article: What Does a Woman Bring To A Ticket?

Here is what the Rev. Kalnins has taught her and what she repeats.

She says terrorism against Jews is part of God’s plan because they refuse to accept Jesus as their savior; that the Palestinians killing Jews is part of God’s plan.

She asks her congregation to “pray for the oil pipeline.”

She says Alaska has a special place in God’s plan to save it during the “End Times.”

She used State fund to transport kids during church outing;

She says the war in Iraq is part of “God’s plan.”

She says gay people can be converted and become straight;

She has said when the spirit moves her, she “speaks in tongues.” (I bet.. Satanic tongue?)

She believes in “faith healing.”

She tried to ban book in her local library. (Disputed)

These are just a few of her extreme statements.

Is she a nut-job, or what?

You can find all this for yourself, just Google: Palin’s Church - Ed Kalnins- and don’t fail to see Brickner & Jews for Jesus.

Posted by Faizal3 at 12:54 AM : Sep 12, 2008

Worth repeating. She is a total wacko

Sarah Palin is receiving a highly partisan reception on the national political stage, with significant public doubts about her readiness to serve as president, yet majority approval of both her selection by John McCain and her willingness to join the Republican ticket.

Given the sharp political divisions she inspires, Palin’s initial impact on vote preferences and on views of McCain looks like a wash, and, contrary to some prognostication, she does not draw disproportionate support from women. ABC NEWS
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
According to the latest polls in Ohio, McCain/Palin is now up 51-44 over Osama Obama. That's because normal people with midwestern values like someone who talks straight and has conservative values (like Palin). I know the left doesn't understand that, but those are the facts.

The left should be asking itself, once again, why they are losing an election that should have been a gimme!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
According to the latest polls in Ohio, McCain/Palin is now up 51-44 over Osama Obama. That's because normal people with midwestern values like someone who talks straight and has conservative values (like Palin). I know the left doesn't understand that, but those are the facts.

The left should be asking itself, once again, why they are losing an election that should have been a gimme!

BS!

It's because the republican convention was last and nothing more. It is the normal effect that happens every 4 years
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
I grew up and still live in the midwest..and I love people who talk straight. Palin and mcain are blatant liars. facts speak volumes. Are you saying people in the midwest are so stupid as to believe these lies?..I hope not.

another straight talker is Al Franken, whos running for senate against lieing, two-faced,graft-taking Norm Coleman.

you Rep. sure know how to shovel the Bull-shiit, thats for sure.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
...and who is this osama obama you keep talking about?

is it Obama, the dude running for Prez?..if so, why call him osama?.. I dont get it. are you really that stupid..

lets see his answer and determine just how stupid PMs really is..

think he'll respond?..prolly not.But he likes to slither in that last hate statement,,,so..
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Who is the real Republican Presidential candidate?


Who really is the Republican candidate for President is the question I keep asking myself? It used to be John McCain but ever since his VP announcement that seems to have changed.

McCain's whole line about "experience" is dead in the water. Why? Because according to his views Sarah Palin is more experienced than John. Every republican talking lips surrogate parrots the Sarah has experience line. Well, John has never been a Mayor or a Governor or even a city council member. He's never run a business. So where is John's experience? As a commander of a training squadron eons ago in the Navy? Laughable.

Previous to his VP choice, McCain could barely garner 200 people to show up at his rallies. He railed against Barack Obama as a "rock star". So who's the rock star now? Sarah Palin, that's who.

The problem with Palin is that her rock star status comes with an empty skirt. Her speeches are canned and a LYING repeat of her crude remarks at the RNC convention. She never sold a plane on ebay. She sold it through an aviation broker to a crony at a loss. She never fired that chef. She reassigned her so that she now cooks those marvelous meals for Alaska legislators. She never told the Congress "thanks but no thanks" for the money for the bridge to nowhere. In fact, she kept that $224 million and used it elsewhere building access roads to where the bridge might have been but what is now an empty beach.

John McCain now stands at his rallies appearing to be little more than a tired old man being propped up by a right wing cheerleader. Without Palin, McCain couldn't get more than a subdued lackluster applause. But now the applause is all for Palin for simply being a risky pick. She's yet to espouse anything original.

McCain has even dropped his townhall style rallies. Today in Lancaster, PA., his campaign organizers decided that NO QUESTIONS would be asked by the audience. No more townhall style. So it becomes nothing more than one more lecture complete with the LIES. Gosh, what are they afraid of?

John McCain is no longer running for president. He's running as an apsotrophe to Sarah Palin.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
According to the latest polls in Ohio, McCain/Palin is now up 51-44 over Osama Obama. That's because normal people with midwestern values like someone who talks straight and has conservative values (like Palin). I know the left doesn't understand that, but those are the facts.

The left should be asking itself, once again, why they are losing an election that should have been a gimme!

where do you get your news? cuz it always seems like you have generic claims that don't "match up"




Ohio Poll Released by Quinnipiac University Poll: Barack Obama 49%, John McCain 44%

Washington D.C. 9/13/2008 09:35 AM GMT (FINDITT)



Here are the latest results from the Ohio poll by Quinnipiac University Poll published on USAElectionPolls.com:

There were 1367 voters polled on 9/5-9.

Eric W. Rademacher, The Ohio Poll’s Co-Director, said, “Both campaigns have many hours of work ahead if they want to secure a path to the presidency through Ohio.” Two findings of the Poll suggest the presidential race in Ohio may have a long way to go:

First, a large portion of likely voters (23%) may still be “up for grabs”: nineteen percent say they might change their mind and switch candidates before Election Day, and four percent are undecided as to which candidate they will choose.

Second, more Democrats than Republicans currently express intent to cross party lines on November 4. While 11 percent of Democratic likely voters currently say they will vote for McCain, just five percent of Republican likely voters currently intend to vote for Obama. While this bears watching, early partisan “defectors” often “come home” to support their party’s candidate by Election Day.

 
Posted by glassman on :
 
ahh, here it is, a Fox "News" poll...
that makes sense, they probably poll from their mailing list, LOL...

if they do a "text message" poll? Obama would probably win that one 75-25:

#

Ohio: This state is shaping up to be one of the tightest contests. An Ohio Poll by the University of Cincinnati, conducted Sept. 5-10, has McCain ahead of Obama by 48 percent to 44 percent among likely voters with 5 percent preferring some other candidate and 4 percent undecided. The margin of error is 3.5 percent. Poll co-director Eric Rademacher says the race in Ohio "has a long way to go" because as many as 23 percent of voters may still be up for grabs and more Democrats than Republicans say, at the moment, they will cross party lines to vote for the other candidate. An InsiderAdvantage poll conducted Sept. 10 has McCain statistically tied with Obama at 48 percent to 47 percent with 2 percent choosing "other" and 3 percent undecided in The margin of error is 4.3 percent. That contrasts to a Fox News/Rasmussen Reports survey conducted Sept. 7 putting McCain ahead 51 percent to 44 percent with 1 percent for Ralph Nader and 3 percent. The margin of error was 4 percent. Obama's favorable-to-unfavorable numbers were 50 percent to 48 percent while McCain's were 63 percent to 35 percent. Voters trusted McCain more by 54 percent to 41 percent. Forty-two percent "are not at all comfortable" with Obama as President compared to 25 percent saying that of McCain. A CNN/Time/Opinion Research poll conducted Aug. 31 - Sept. 2 had Obama and McCain statistically tied at 47 percent to 45 percent. The margin of error was 3.5 percent. Republicans have won Ohio in three of the last five elections, but the margin of victory in 2000 and 2004 was 2.5 percent or less. CQ Politics' Election Forecast for Ohio is "No Clear Favorite."


http://****s.cqpolitics.com/polltracker/2008/09/latest-statebystate-general-el-5 1.html
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Bond, you asked:

"Who really is the Republican candidate for President is the question I keep asking myself? It used to be John McCain but ever since his VP announcement that seems to have changed."

"John McCain now stands at his rallies appearing to be little more than a tired old man being propped up by a right wing cheerleader."

The answer is, of course, if you even passingly look at actuarial tables for a man McCain's age, with his history of cancer and the serious physical torment he underwent in his youth, is Sarah Palin.

Should the republican ticket win, she will be president within three years of that election.

My personal bet would be about half that amount of time, assuming natural processes are allowed to transpire.

McCain ism, as you say, is "little more than a tired old man being propped up by a right wing cheerleader." And the republican machine not only realizes it, but is counting on it.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
I agree 100%
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=623&type=1

“Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer,” said Governor Palin. “Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island,” Governor Palin added. “Much of the public’s attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here.
------------------------------------------------

Shouldn't this press release from the Alaska state government site put to bed any doubt that Sarah Palin didn't say No,Thanks to Congress. In fact is sure sounds like the only reason she killed it was because Congress wouldn't fully fund it.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
The republicans don 't want information, they have decided to back the lie come hell or high water and to attack both the facts, calling them lies, and those that would publish the truth, calling them whatever despicable thing they happen to utter at the moment.

Eventually, as it was in the case of dubya, they will declare that anyone that refuses to enthusiastically pass on the lies they spin to cover the lie that is Palin, is ungodly or unpatriotic or communist or a terrorist or a traitor to the Republic or whatever and suggest that they be formally indited and at least invited to leave the United States forever, suffering the consequences of the republican hate machine if they refuse.

Fascism is alive and well now in the republican party.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
Eventually, as it was in the case of dubya, they will declare that anyone that refuses to enthusiastically pass on the lies they spin to cover the lie that is Palin, is ungodly or unpatriotic or communist or a terrorist or a traitor to the Republic or whatever and suggest that they be formally indited and at least invited to leave the United States forever, suffering the consequences of the republican hate machine if they refuse.
Look at the posts on this forum! The "hate machine" isn't on the part of the right. The personal attacks, intolerance, and hate are always on the side of the left. Moreover, I'm all for it. Keep attacking Palin. Keep questioning if a mother should be working or shoud stay home with her kids. Keep attacking her for being only a governor when the socialist candidate was only a "community organizer". How's that working for you so far??? Keep it up and it will be a landslide for McCain/Palin!
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
how ignorant do you have to be to continue to support this line of thinking?...lol
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
...and who is this osama obama you keep talking about?

is it Obama, the dude running for Prez?..if so, why call him osama?.. I dont get it. are you really that stupid..

lets see his answer and determine just how stupid PMs really is..

think he'll respond?..prolly not.But he likes to slither in that last hate statement,,,so..


 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Jordan,

I call him Osama Obama because I believe he's the most dangerous man on the planet. He is an overt socialist and he will destroy the very fabric of the United States if he gets his way. I guess we can just change the name to the United Socialist States of America.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Jordan,

I call him Osama Obama because I believe he's the most dangerous man on the planet. He is an overt socialist and he will destroy the very fabric of the United States if he gets his way. I guess we can just change the name to the United Socialist States of America.

you call him names because you have the emotional makeup of a preadolescent
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
well,, I guess we have proof positive just how stupid...Really,really stupid.

"I call him Osama Obama because I believe he's the most dangerous man on the planet."

The depths of ignorance is staggering.

I might say that one who loves to bomb 100s of thousands of innocent people, and still holds a grudge against vietnam, N. Korea, and wants revenge and advocates war instead of dipomacy, might be a mite more dangerous.....but thats just me.
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Always insults and attacks from you lefties, but never an answer to the question at hand. That's why you're losing this election. People in the swing states can see right through all the B.S.!
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
Ignorance abounds!.. [Eek!]
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Always insults and attacks from you righties, but never an answer to the question at hand. That's why you're losing this election. People in the swing states can see right through all the B.S.!

one can only hope
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
Point made! Misquoting my post to serve your needs - just like all your lies about Palin!
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
lets hear some lies about palin...not her lies, but lies ABOUT her
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Jordan,

I call him Osama Obama because I believe he's the most dangerous man on the planet. He is an overt socialist and he will destroy the very fabric of the United States if he gets his way. I guess we can just change the name to the United Socialist States of America.

You intellectual zero.

You don't have any idea what socialism is, so I'm going to tell you. It's the mutual agreement among a group of people to act as a single body to provide services and aid to the individuals in the group, such as roads and jails and courts and on and on. Indeed, it is all those things we toss into and under the term "infrastructure" and includes gathering and implementing the means to manage them, often called taxes and disbursements and leadership.

Without it, there is no Nation, no State, no County, no City, no neighborhood association and no nothing but brute force survival of the most animal like amongst us, greed, and egotistical selfishness. It leads to ultimate chaos and wide spread unnecessary death.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
Jordan,

I call him Osama Obama because I believe he's the most dangerous man on the planet. He is an overt socialist and he will destroy the very fabric of the United States if he gets his way. I guess we can just change the name to the United Socialist States of America.

Come on. You call him Osama Obama because you either believe or wish to reinforce that he is somehow allied with Osama Bin Laden. It isn't very subtle at all.

Now are you saying that this is a lie about Palin or that it's OK for here to lie about it. Remember her line that has been repeated over and over; The bridge to nowhere:"I told Congress, Thanks but No Thanks." If we wanted a bridge we'd build it ourselves. She only gave up on the Bridge because Congress wouldn't foot the whole bill.

http://gov.state.ak.us/archive.php?id=623&type=1

“Ketchikan desires a better way to reach the airport, but the $398 million bridge is not the answer,” said Governor Palin. “Despite the work of our congressional delegation, we are about $329 million short of full funding for the bridge project, and it’s clear that Congress has little interest in spending any more money on a bridge between Ketchikan and Gravina Island,” Governor Palin added. “Much of the public’s attitude toward Alaska bridges is based on inaccurate portrayals of the projects here.
 
Posted by The Bigfoot on :
 
Hmm...is Bin Laden a socialist? I thought he was a terrorist.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Ben Laden is clearly anti-social. maybe we should call him and anti-socialist?
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
I'm beginning to see some reports of Palin having affairs while in office. One in particular seems to have caused an ex-partner of her husband's, with whom she is rumored to have had a affair, to make a request of the court to seal his divorce papers and proceedings.

The actual "dirt" isn't so much that she may have been having an affair, but that she didn't seem to realize that such trash would become official fodder for the press and the opposition in a national election.


Too, I have seen some reports of and by a group that seems to be much stronger and bigger than Palin's following in Alaska called something like "Alaska Women Against Palin"..
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I am trying to figure out why there is so much smear on Palin. She really doesnt seem that bad. She is a politician for crying out loud what do you want? A lof of them are a bunch of lawyers that want to have all the power.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I am trying to figure out why there is so much smear on Palin. She really doesnt seem that bad. She is a politician for crying out loud what do you want? A lof of them are a bunch of lawyers that want to have all the power.

First off I really don't think it's a smear, you've been listening to the McCain campaign too much.

She is/was new and off the charts so to speak. People really didn't know anything about her when McCain picked her. It's natural that with only a couple of months to go before placing a vote people would want to know more about her and her stand on issues.

You also have to remember that she is the one that made the claim about the Bridge to nowhere. Unless people want to take politicians at their word and not check facts, then of course people would want to know more aobut it. Well, the research showed a much different story than what she portrayed. If she had backed off her statement a little it might be overlooked as padding one's resume but instead she has continued to use the line even after it has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that she didn't do what she said.

Think of her as a stock that you are doing DD on. Do you believe everything that is PR'd by the company? Do you take CEO's at their word? Heck, many times, even in doing DD(I'm talking multiple people), we still get fooled.

McCain and Biden are like Big Board stocks that have been around for years. People know more about them but even on big board stocks you need to do ongoing DD. Bear Stearns and Lehman are good examples. Obama, IMO, is like the OTCBB, we know more about him and can find more information because he has been on the campaign trail for around 2 yrs. Sarah Palin is a Pink Sheet. Yes she does have a record in the State of Alaska but we need to ferret out who she is.

Think of a company doing a Reverse Merger into a Pink. There will be pumpers and bashers. You can't believe either one completely you need to verify it for yourself.

Why do you think we always ask for links? So that we can read it and verify it.

I read her State of the State speech on the Alaska Gov site and was impressed with it but of course the campaign hasn't bothered to put that info out there, instead they would rather play up her everyday woman appeal and protect her from the big bad media.

I don't believe she is a kook. I think she had/has a promising career but has tried to move up too fast. I don't think she is ready for the big leagues not Nationally and especially not internationally.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I'll give you another illustration. Not once in this campaign or during the primaries has there been any mention of McCain and his link to Charles Keating. Why? Because it was brought out in the past so it's old news. Though he was cleared of wrong doing in the investigation, the final report said he used wrong judgement. Yet you have the ongoing discussion about Obama and his Pastor and Ayers because Obama went to a certain church and served on a board.

If you don't know who Keating is look up John McCain/Keating or what was known as the Keating 5.

Old news is old news. Right now Sarah Palin is news and therefore topical.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I am trying to figure out why there is so much smear on Palin. She really doesnt seem that bad. She is a politician for crying out loud what do you want? A lof of them are a bunch of lawyers that want to have all the power.

You are asking now that the democrats not do with Palin exactly the same thing you insisted was ok and eagerly participated in when it was done to Obama only days ago.

Hypocrisy, anyone?
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Palin is corrupt and is no good for this country.

When you take the moral high ground and you poke fun at other people,there is an old saying. If you live in a glass house don't throw rocks.


P.S She is a pig with lipstick
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bond006:
When I was making under 50,000.00 a year I was paying a good amount of taxes. And I could have used it for food clothes tires and many more things

Social security & Medicare take 7.5%.
Look at the charts you should have paid very close to no income tax.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
unless you net under 6 grand they take at least 1/4 of your income
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
unless you net under 6 grand they take at least 1/4 of your income

And you get nothing back?
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
sure you get some back..sorry, i misread..
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20080916/pl_bloomberg/ahcjz0g1k_nu_1

Palin Won't Cooperate in Probe of Trooper Firing, Campaign Says

It’s a purely political decision. By not cooperating she will continue to get much of the press. This will keep the focus on her. Remember the old saying that any press is good press. The Republican ticket and further bemoan her treatment by the media and right wing b loggers justifying it by calling it one more example of Palin being attacked.

I doubt that anything she did would result in any action against her. The worst would be that she used poor judgement. Yet, the idea that the investigation would say she used poor judgement would be damning at this point. Since she is virtually new to national politics and has not established a real record, people would need to reassess. That is one thing the campaign would not want to have happen. It’s much better to keep it as a divisive issue allowing the individual to come to their own conclusions. The Left will cry foul and the right will look back and say SEE we told you they are being unfair.

By her not cooperating, the campaign has accomplished the very best scenario.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Sarah Palin said she is ready for Sean Hannity. In fact, she spent all day today writing out the questions he's going to ask her.-Jay Leno

[Razz]

If you saw the big interview with Gibson, Sarah Palin quoted Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln said, "Let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side." Here's the amazing part. You know who Abraham Lincoln said that to? John McCain.

In the Gibson interview, a lot of people thought Charlie Gibson was unfair to her. They thought he was talking down to her. That was one of the comments. Like when he asked her about the so-called Bush doctrine. Most people aren't familiar with the Bush doctrine. I mean, we are, but we know it by another name: "Murphy's Law."

Here's something I mentioned last week. For some reason the Secret Service revealed this. Sarah Palin's Secret Service code name is "danali." Turns out danali is an old Eskimo word that means Dan Quayle.

If you watched TV last night, you know that Charlie Gibson did something John McCain has never done: interviewed Sarah Palin.


Leno is pretty funny...

They also revealed that Sarah's husband Todd, who works in the oil field...His Secret Service code name is "driller." I guess they figured Bill Clinton wasn't using it anymore.
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
unless you net under 6 grand they take at least 1/4 of your income

Under 8 grand my accountant tells me...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
what on earth is this about?

As recorded by a reporter allowed to observe the 35-minute fundraiser appearance, this was the first time Gov. Palin herself relayed the story of how a fouled-up teleprompter forced her to ad-lib big swaths of her acclaimed acceptance speech at the Republican Convention Sept. 3.

But that story has been largely debunked. Reporters who saw the equipment that night say -- and the party has not denied -- that any teleprompter issue was minor at most. In the days after the event it was touted -- on a hush-hush, off the record basis -- by top Republicans as a way to show how swift-thinking is their newest star, despite her avoidance of any and all unscripted moments on the trail.

Gov. Palin's telling was a Canton crowd-pleaser: "There Ohio was right out in front, right in front of me. The teleprompter got messed up, I couldn't follow it, and I just decided I'd just talk to the people in front of me," she said. "It was Ohio."

Like the Alaska jet put on eBay and her pit-bull opposition to pork like the Bridge to Nowhere, the T.T. of the T.T. is great theater, but not quite, not entirely, true.


http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_09/014740.php
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
What this is about is another lie trying to cover up her blunders and deficiencies.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Palin supports $600 million 'other' bridge project By GARANCE BURKE, Associated Press Writer
Tue Sep 16, 6:58 AM ET



ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Gov. Sarah Palin may eventually have said "no thanks" to a federally funded Bridge to Nowhere.

ADVERTISEMENT

But a bridge to her hometown of Wasilla, that's a different story.

A $600 million bridge and highway project to link Alaska's largest city to Palin's town of 7,000 residents is moving full speed ahead, despite concerns the bridge could worsen some commuting and threaten a population of beluga whales.

Local officials already have spent $42 million on plans to route traffic across the Knik Arm inlet, a narrow finger of water extending roughly 25 miles northeast of Anchorage toward Wasilla. The proposal exists thanks to an earmark request by Republican Rep. Don Young, whose son-in-law has a small stake in property near the bridge's proposed western span.

A Democratic council member in Anchorage will try Tuesday to spike the city's sponsorship of the project, which Palin supports with some reservations.

"This is basically an incredibly expensive project that doesn't help commuters, doesn't help create jobs and may drive whales to extinction," said Justin Massey, an attorney advising environmentalists opposed to the proposal. "It is also a project that serves the area where the governor is from, which is near and dear to her heart."

The Knik Arm was one of two bridge proposals in Alaska awarded more than $450 million from lawmakers who requested money for special projects in 2005, when Young chaired the House Transportation Committee. Young, Alaska's 18-term congressman, has said Alaska still lacks basic roads, railroads and bridges that were developed long ago in older and less spacious states.

At the time, Palin's running mate for the Republican ticket, Arizona Sen. John McCain, derided both projects as wasteful. He called Young's highway bill a "monstrosity" that was "terrifying in its fiscal consequences."

"I want no part of this," McCain said in a July 2005 statement. "This legislation is not — I emphasize not — my way of legislating."

The governor initially championed the first so-called Bridge to Nowhere, which would have connected the southeastern Alaska town of Ketchikan to its airport on nearby Gravina Island. She later pulled the plug on the project after it became a national symbol of extravagant federal spending.

Palin's record on the Bridge to Nowhere has emerged as a central point of controversy in the campaign over her recent public claims that she had opposed it, aligning herself with McCain's anti-earmarks philosophy.

Palin still supports the second bridge, officially named Don Young's Way in honor of the congressman. She called for a review of the bridge's financing plans and raised concerns about its financial risks for the state. Still, the planning process is marching forward.

"Governor Palin's demand for accountability and transparency around this project is exactly what she has called for across the board to ensure taxpayers' dollars are being used wisely," spokeswoman Maria Comella said.

Dianne Keller, who succeeded Palin as mayor in Wasilla, has said the new $600 million crossing could lower traffic congestion in the fast-growing community. A Federal Highway Administration study shows the project would cut down some area commutes, but could add to others as more people move to the suburbs.

The average commuter trip to work for Wasilla residents is 34 minutes, compared to an average of 25 minutes for the rest of the United States, according to 2000 Census figures, the most recent available.

The bridge is popular with property developers — including a group comprised of Young's son-in-law, the former legislative director for indicted Republican Sen. Ted Stevens and three others — who own land across from Anchorage on the inlet's western side.

The National Marine Fisheries Service is evaluating whether the isolated beluga whales that breed and feed in the waterway's strong tides should be listed as endangered under the federal Endangered Species Act. Palin has publicly urged the government not to list Cook Inlet beluga whales as endangered.

Anchorage Assembly members Patrick Flynn and Matt Claman, both Democrats, plan to introduce a proposal to kill the bridge on Tuesday. They argue the money would be better used to set up commuter van pools and fix Alaska's existing highways, some of which are so rutted that cars go skidding off the road.

"She clearly hasn't said 'no thanks' to this particular bridge," Claman said. "If money were not an issue and we had no limits, maybe we'd build a bridge. But this is not a pragmatic or efficient way to spend scarce resources."
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
All I have to say is....."Just wait for the Presidential Debates" [Wink]

Obama and his mate will make the Republicans look like Asses!!! [Big Grin]

I'm not saying the Republicans are Asses...it's just that Obama was born to speak and debate, and Mcain, like Bush, simply are not natural born Speakers. [Wink]
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Considering that the republican campaign is a sequence of smearing proven lies, delivered by candidates that offer only loud dishonest bragging and a void toward any rational solutions to our foreign policy fiasco and the economic deathtrap their republican free market philosophy inevitably deposits on the people, the people have started realizing that the republican candidates already are looking like asses, Ace, and deservedly so.

Currently, we have McCain, one of the Keating five, that brought us to near economic disaster with the savings and loan industry under the Ronald Reagan free market efforts, assuring us we must trust his vast experience and wholesome good judgment in matters of economics, particularly in how to work with lending institutions.

If you trust his judgment on financial measures, then you disagree with the U. S. Senate Ethics Committee, that found him guilty of "poor judgment" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five).

This current economic mess isn't the first brought to us via free market bull sh-t and, if McCain's vast experience in working with huge lending institutions has brought him anything but personal financial gain, it isn't "good Judgment". (Like always, they gave in to McCain and didn't have him charged, because of symphony he gets from having been a POW, not because he was less involved or less guilty than those convicted and sent to prison.)

Like a Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin flits about the Country, flitting about stages, before TV cameras, spewing memorized lines that claim that the republican candidate that picked her has judgment so vast and so honorable, that it becomes obvious that she isn't savvy enough to even realize they are lies. (And then there are the trouper-gates and tanning cages and OTHER bridges to nowhere and multi-millions in earmarks sweet Sarah refuses to admit or even denies.)
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
The democrat's should dig up as much dirt as they can about Palin, even make stuff up if needed.

Then when McCain wins the presidency they can't be accused of not trying.

Of course the real good stuff on joe biden hasn't even been released by the clinton's yet.... oh wait aren't they campaigning for OBAMA.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
The democrat's should dig up as much dirt as they can about Palin, even make stuff up if needed.

Then when McCain wins the presidency they can't be accused of not trying.

Of course the real good stuff on joe biden hasn't even been released by the clinton's yet.... oh wait aren't they campaigning for OBAMA.

You are about as knowledgeable on politics as a high school freshman is on football when he is cheering for his 0 and 7 high school team, with one finger pointed to the sky and screaming "We're number one".

With volumes of real and significant information out there, you spend time and space cheer leading the republican party with it's near dunce level presidential candidate that has shown a distinct lack of leadership and judgment over three decades of political effort (topped off, by naming as a VP candidate a chick whose most valuable and successful experience is how to keep a smile on her face during the swim suit competition and how to lie and act like you have anything to intelligent say when it is time for her response to the questions portion of the beauty contest.)

Yep, here you are suggesting the election be about scratching your simple minded and confused notion of what constitutes a democratic election process and your confused and childish notions about what makes a democracy.

Let's get back to reality. I say again:

"Considering that the republican campaign is a sequence of smearing proven lies, delivered by candidates that offer only loud dishonest bragging and a void toward any rational solutions to our foreign policy fiasco and the economic deathtrap their republican free market philosophy inevitably deposits on the people, the people have started realizing that the republican candidates already are looking like asses, Ace, and deservedly so.

Currently, we have McCain, one of the Keating five, that brought us to near economic disaster with the savings and loan industry under the Ronald Reagan free market efforts, assuring us we must trust his vast experience and wholesome good judgment in matters of economics, particularly in how to work with lending institutions.

If you trust his judgment on financial measures, then you disagree with the U. S. Senate Ethics Committee, that found him guilty of "poor judgment" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five).

This current economic mess isn't the first brought to us via free market bull sh-t and, if McCain's vast experience in working with huge lending institutions has brought him anything but personal financial gain, it isn't "good Judgment". (Like always, they gave in to McCain and didn't have him charged, because of symphony he gets from having been a POW, not because he was less involved or less guilty than those convicted and sent to prison.)

Like a Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin flits about the Country, flitting about stages, before TV cameras, spewing memorized lines that claim that the republican candidate that picked her has judgment so vast and so honorable, that it becomes obvious that she isn't savvy enough to even realize they are lies. (And then there are the trouper-gates and tanning cages and OTHER bridges to nowhere and multi-millions in earmarks sweet Sarah refuses to admit or even denies.)"
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Like I said dig up as much dirt as you want, I wouldn't want it said that bdgee didn't do his part at the failed attempt to elect OBAMA president.

I'll even send a letter to the DNC and tell them what a good soldier you've been.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Like I said dig up as much dirt as you want, I wouldn't want it said that bdgee didn't do his part at the failed attempt to elect OBAMA president.

I'll even send a letter to the DNC and tell them what a good soldier you've been.

Considering that the republican campaign is a sequence of smearing proven lies, delivered by candidates that offer only loud dishonest bragging and a void toward any rational solutions to our foreign policy fiasco and the economic deathtrap their republican free market philosophy inevitably deposits on the people, the people have started realizing that the republican candidates already are looking like asses, Ace, and deservedly so.

Currently, we have McCain, one of the Keating five, that brought us to near economic disaster with the savings and loan industry under the Ronald Reagan free market efforts, assuring us we must trust his vast experience and wholesome good judgment in matters of economics, particularly in how to work with lending institutions.

If you trust his judgment on financial measures, then you disagree with the U. S. Senate Ethics Committee, that found him guilty of "poor judgment" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five).

This current economic mess isn't the first brought to us via free market bull sh-t and, if McCain's vast experience in working with huge lending institutions has brought him anything but personal financial gain, it isn't "good Judgment". (Like always, they gave in to McCain and didn't have him charged, because of symphony he gets from having been a POW, not because he was less involved or less guilty than those convicted and sent to prison.)

Like a Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin flits about the Country, flitting about stages, before TV cameras, spewing memorized lines that claim that the republican candidate that picked her has judgment so vast and so honorable, that it becomes obvious that she isn't savvy enough to even realize they are lies. (And then there are the trouper-gates and tanning cages and OTHER bridges to nowhere and multi-millions in earmarks sweet Sarah refuses to admit or even denies.)
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Bdgee- Your such a broken record! lol

I honestly don't care if OBAMA gets elected or not.
After what I've seen our government do with our financial situation the last couple of days it seems where headed towards a socialistic state a lot faster than I ever imagined.

Maybe Obama will surprise me and reverse some of this nonsense.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Bdgee- Your such a broken record! lol

I honestly don't care if OBAMA gets elected or not.
After what I've seen our government do with our financial situation the last couple of days it seems where headed towards a socialistic state a lot faster than I ever imagined.

Maybe Obama will surprise me and reverse some of this nonsense.

The hell you don't care.

You have constantly posted lies and trash about the democrats, while posting lies that would excuse the double dealing of republicans. Moreover, you are doing your best to post after anything negative about McClain or Palin so as to force the truth to not be seen.

If you don't care, then stop posting so that you cause the facts about McCain's involvement the Keating 5, his pitifull poor judgment in helping to bring the current crisis in the financial markets, and his lies on the campaign trail to not be seen.

Again:
Considering that the republican campaign is a sequence of smearing proven lies, delivered by candidates that offer only loud dishonest bragging and a void toward any rational solutions to our foreign policy fiasco and the economic deathtrap their republican free market philosophy inevitably deposits on the people, the people have started realizing that the republican candidates already are looking like asses, Ace, and deservedly so.

Currently, we have McCain, one of the Keating five, that brought us to near economic disaster with the savings and loan industry under the Ronald Reagan free market efforts, assuring us we must trust his vast experience and wholesome good judgment in matters of economics, particularly in how to work with lending institutions.

If you trust his judgment on financial measures, then you disagree with the U. S. Senate Ethics Committee, that found him guilty of "poor judgment" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five).

This current economic mess isn't the first brought to us via free market bull sh-t and, if McCain's vast experience in working with huge lending institutions has brought him anything but personal financial gain, it isn't "good Judgment". (Like always, they gave in to McCain and didn't have him charged, because of symphony he gets from having been a POW, not because he was less involved or less guilty than those convicted and sent to prison.)

Like a Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin flits about the Country, flitting about stages, before TV cameras, spewing memorized lines that claim that the republican candidate that picked her has judgment so vast and so honorable, that it becomes obvious that she isn't savvy enough to even realize they are lies. (And then there are the trouper-gates and tanning cages and OTHER bridges to nowhere and multi-millions in earmarks sweet Sarah refuses to admit or even denies.)
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
quote lockman

I honestly don't care if OBAMA gets elected or not.
After what I've seen our government do with our financial situation the last couple of days it seems where headed towards a socialistic state a lot faster than I ever imagined
-------------------------------------------------

I am George W. Bush and I approve of this message
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
hahahahahaha
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
...and this is why she's got people behind her...so to speak


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0kGc6UEGVc&feature=dir
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LC1e1L3t3U&NR=1
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LC1e1L3t3U&NR=1

And you consider yourself intellegent?

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP THIS IS! I'm truly surprised that you of all people would post this stuff.

Once a Dumocrat always a Dumocrat!!!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LC1e1L3t3U&NR=1

And you consider yourself intellegent?

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP THIS IS! I'm truly surprised that you of all people would post this stuff.

Once a Dumocrat always a Dumocrat!!!

Don'rt worry, Locknam, we are not in a contest to determine which of us is the most intelligent.

However, I do note that the fact that you can't escape from being of the the Party first before country fascism of republican dogma does demonstrate that you have less than the intellect of a junebug and less than the morals of a cowchip.

The idiocy of you and your kind have turned the activities of this Nation into a disgusting and dangerous stain on humanity.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LC1e1L3t3U&NR=1

And you consider yourself intellegent?

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP THIS IS! I'm truly surprised that you of all people would post this stuff.

Once a Dumocrat always a Dumocrat!!!

Don'rt worry, Locknam, we are not in a contest to determine which of us is the most intelligent.

However, I do note that the fact that you can't escape from being of the the Party first before country fascism of republican dogma does demonstrate that you have less than the intellect of a junebug and less than the morals of a cowchip.

The idiocy of you and your kind have turned the activities of this Nation into a disgusting and dangerous stain on humanity.

Oh you dumocrat's are so smart.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Barbra Streisand Headlines Fundraiser for Obama

Tuesday, September 16, 2008 2:20 PM

Article Font Size



DENVER -- How does Barack Obama lure wealthy donors to a big-money fundraiser in Hollywood? Bring in Barbra Streisand as the headline performer. The Oscar-winning singer and actress was to perform Tuesday night on Obama's behalf in Beverly Hills.


It was to be a two-step evening with a reception and dinner costing $28,500 a person followed by a later event featuring Streisand at $2,500 a ticket.


Obama was flying to Los Angeles after an appearance Tuesday morning in a Denver suburb.


The wealthy fundraiser comes on a day when the crisis in the U.S. economy remained an urgent issue for many Americans. Monday's sharp sell-off left the Dow Jones industrials and the Standard & Poor's 500 index down by more 4 percent, eroding the value of individual retirement and investment accounts, for example.


Streisand originally backed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton but switched to Obama when he emerged as the Democratic presidential nominee.


Streisand has been outspoken in criticizing John McCain's selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate on the Republican presidential ticket.


"This calculated, cynical ploy to pull away a small percentage of Hillary's women voters from Barack Obama will not work," Streisand wrote on her Web page. "We are not that stupid!"


"I believe John McCain chose Gov. Palin because he truly believes that women who supported Hillary — an experienced, brilliant, lifelong public servant — would vote for him because his vice president has two X chromosomes," Streisand said. "McCain's selection of Gov. Palin is a transparent and irresponsible decision all in the name of trying to win this election."


Obama is financing his presidential race with private contributions after abandoning a pledge to take public financing capped at $84 million. His campaign announced Sunday it had collected $66 million in August, a fundraising record for any presidential candidate in a monthlong period.


By comparison, McCain raised $47 million in August, a personal best for his campaign as well. After claiming the GOP nomination, McCain accepted the $84 million in taxpayer funds allotted the public financing system for the race.


© 2008 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.

OH NO! The dumocrats have really brought out the big guns. Barbara (i'll only sing if you kiss my a$$) Streisand.

I hope Obama can get a private meeting with her, she'll help him gain some needed experience.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LC1e1L3t3U&NR=1

And you consider yourself intellegent?

WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP THIS IS! I'm truly surprised that you of all people would post this stuff.

Once a Dumocrat always a Dumocrat!!!

Don'rt worry, Locknam, we are not in a contest to determine which of us is the most intelligent.

However, I do note that the fact that you can't escape from being of the the Party first before country fascism of republican dogma does demonstrate that you have less than the intellect of a junebug and less than the morals of a cowchip.

The idiocy of you and your kind have turned the activities of this Nation into a disgusting and dangerous stain on humanity.

Oh you dumocrat's are so smart.
Yep. It's a result of not banning books and reading and judging material and information rather than cowtoeing to the Republican Party Masters and parroting whatever we are told to.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
But you do parrot whatever your told by the ultra liberal media.

Forever a Dumocrat!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
But you do parrot whatever your told by the ultra liberal media.

Forever a Dumocrat!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I don't often read what you call "the ultra liberal media", but unlike you, I do sometimes (I don't take it to heart, though, but it is often funny stuff), just like I sometime listen to Fat Rush, the Doper and read something written by rat faced Ann Coulter (nothing funny in those two, just sickness and bile).

However, I have been told several times by some that read a lot of that "liberal" drivel that they quite often parrot what I have said.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
I personnally don't listen to Rush or read anything by Coulter.

Try Jerry Doyle.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I personnally don't listen to Rush or read anything by Coulter.

Try Jerry Doyle.

You should, if you appreciate humility or honesty or integrity or have any respect for your fellow human beings (not all of these, any one), it will make you sick.


Doyle is a bit too on the side of championing simple minded things to suit me, but he tells a good joke from time to time. His politics smacks of Lester Maddox with a Brooklyn brogue.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I personnally don't listen to Rush or read anything by Coulter.

Try Jerry Doyle.

You should, if you appreciate humility or honesty or integrity or have any respect for your fellow human beings (not all of these, any one), it will make you sick.


Doyle is a bit too on the side of championing simple minded things to suit me, but he tells a good joke from time to time. His politics smacks of Lester Maddox with a Brooklyn brogue.

Are you a fan of msnbc's keith olberman?
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:


Once a Dumocrat always a Dumocrat!!!

Once a RePOOPbligan always a RePOOPbligan....
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:


Once a Dumocrat always a Dumocrat!!!

Once a RePOOPbligan always a RePOOPbligan....
Come on isn't there enough copying by you dumocrats!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I personnally don't listen to Rush or read anything by Coulter.

Try Jerry Doyle.

You should, if you appreciate humility or honesty or integrity or have any respect for your fellow human beings (not all of these, any one), it will make you sick.


Doyle is a bit too on the side of championing simple minded things to suit me, but he tells a good joke from time to time. His politics smacks of Lester Maddox with a Brooklyn brogue.

Are you a fan of msnbc's keith olberman?
The man has a brilliant sense of humor.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Anyone know what was in Palin's emails that were hacked? Have they been made public on the Net?
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Here's some of the email stuff....

http://gawker.com/5051193/sarah-palins-personal-emails


Doesn't look very fertile to me, but I haven't dug through it....

You might enjoy this:

http://www.kissmybigbluebutt.com/tmdho080917.gif
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
After everything that has gone on in the boards/rooms and in the media....I have never seen so much ugliness towards someone for as long as I can remember.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Palin's husband refuses to testify in probe By MATT VOLZ, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 12 minutes ago



ANCHORAGE, Alaska - Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's husband has refused to testify in the investigation of his wife's alleged abuse of power, and key lawmakers said Thursday that uncooperative witnesses are effectively sidetracking the probe until after Election Day.

ADVERTISEMENT

Todd Palin, who participates in state business in person or by e-mail, was among 13 people subpoenaed by the Alaska Legislature. Palin's lawyer sent a letter to the lead investigator saying Palin objected to the probe and would not appear to testify on Friday.

"The objections boil down to the fact that the Legislative Council investigation is no longer a legitimate investigation because it has been subjected to complete partisanship and does not operate with the authority that it had at the time of its initial authorization," McCain-Palin presidential campaign spokesman Ed O'Callaghan said.

Sarah Palin initially welcomed the bipartisan investigation into accusations that she dismissed the state's public safety commissioner because he refused to fire her ex-brother-in-law, a state trooper. "Hold me accountable," she said.

But she has increasingly opposed it since Republican presidential candidate John McCain tapped her as his running mate. The McCain campaign dispatched a legal team to Alaska including O'Callaghan, a former top U.S. terrorism prosecutor from New York to bolster Palin's local lawyer.

In the letter, Palin attorney Thomas Van Flein lists nine objections to the Legislature's investigation into Gov. Palin. Van Flein also argues the subpoena is "unduly burdensome" because Palin has travel plans that require him to be out of the state.

Earlier this week, Alaska Attorney General Talis Colberg said the governor, who was not subpoenaed, declined to participate in the investigation and said Palin administration employees who have been subpoenaed would not appear.

State Sen. Bill Wielechowski, a Democrat, said the McCain campaign is doing all it can to prevent the Legislature from completing a report on whether the GOP's vice presidential nominee abused her power as governor.

Wielechowski and another member of the panel that summoned the witnesses, told The Associated Press that the witnesses can avoid testifying for months without penalty and that court action to force them to appear sooner is unlikely.

Republican Sen. Gene Therriault agreed with Wielechowski's analysis.

"If we had turned the rhetoric down and turned the pressure down to do some things we might have gotten voluntary cooperation," said Therriault, who opposed the subpoenas.

The McCain-Palin campaign said Thursday that Gov. Palin is cooperating with a separate Alaska State Personnel Board investigation into Troopergate. Palin initiated that investigation after she joined McCain's ticket. The three-member board is appointed by the governor.

"I can't say it enough, the governor is an open book on this matter," McCain spokeswoman Meg Stapleton said. "She is fully cooperating with the unbiased, legally appropriate and independent investigation of the State Personnel Board."

Palin fired Walt Monegan in July. It later emerged that Palin, her husband, Todd, and several high-level staffers had contacted Monegan about state trooper Mike Wooten. Palin maintains she fired Monegan over budget disagreements, not because he wouldn't dismiss her former brother-in-law.

Wooten had gone through a nasty divorce from Palin's sister before Palin became governor. While Monegan says no one from the administration ever told him directly to fire Wooten, he says their repeated contacts made it clear they wanted Wooten gone.

Alaska Senate President Lyda Green, a Republican foe of Palin, said Wednesday that the investigation is still on track.

"The original purpose of the investigation was to bring out the truth. Nothing has changed," she said.

Without the testimony, the retired prosecutor hired to head the investigation could still release a report in October as scheduled, based on the evidence he's already gathered. As of Thursday, Steven Branchflower had interviewed or deposed 17 of the 33 people he had identified as potential witnesses in the probe.

The Legislature does not have the leverage to compel any witness to testify before Nov. 4, said Wielechowski, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee.

Wielechowski said he did not know whether Branchflower has enough material for a complete and fair report with so few witnesses. But he said delaying the probe would only politicize the matter more.

"It would be to appease the McCain camp," Wielechowski said. "They're doing everything they can to delay."

Ignoring a legislative subpoena is punishable by a fine up to $500 and up to six months in jail under Alaska law. But courts are reluctant to intervene in legislative matters and the full Legislature must be in session to bring contempt charges, Wielechowski said. The Legislature is not scheduled to convene until January.


*************************************************

If you are talking about McCain/Palin, they are bringing on themselves. IMO, they are doing this purposely to keep the attention on Palin. Even Karl ROve said that the newness and buzz about Palin was wearing off. These new moves are in essence an attempt to make her look the martyr.

What happened to she has nothing to hide?

I also found her leaving herself wide open during the Hannity interveiw by repeating the cronyism term regard washington. Since she has done the very samething in both her time as mayor and governor of Alaska. Filling posts with High School friends and people that helped her get elected.

Spend a little time on the news site in Alaska, people there are not happy.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
The Democrats have a witch hunt out on Palin, and I know why. It is because she poses so much of a threat to Obama losing they have to do whatever they can. McCain cant win without her. Obama should have picked Hillary. Now...that would be very scary. Hillary's desire for extreme Bush style power, and her delivery vehicle to bring it to her(Obama).
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
The Democrats have a witch hunt out on Palin, and I know why. It is because she poses so much of a threat to Obama losing they have to do whatever they can. McCain cant win without her. Obama should have picked Hillary. Now...that would be very scary. Hillary's desire for extreme Bush style power, and her delivery vehicle to bring it to her(Obama).

You know you and others keep saying Obama should of picked Hillary now... but before you said Hillary should not be picked for either post... make up ya minds lol anyways the thing with Hillary is over and done with already... let it rest already because it is not important anymore... Biden is the running mate not Hillary and that is who should be talked about...
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Well you see Machiavelli....A lot of people didnt know PALIN was going to be chosen until AFTER Hillary had been picked. That shouldnt be the reason of course, but look what this has turned into.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
CCM is acting on direction of the RNC to try and keep that crap alive in hopes of causing turmoil in democratic ranks, Mach. Ignore it.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
OMG are you kidding me? I am just not a sheep anymore to either party. In case you havent noticed I will applaud or shame either side and believe in Ron Paul's thinking over either. There is kool aid on both sides! This election is like who can pump the biggest penny stock for crying out loud. CMKX VS QBID

money, lies, pumping, both sides.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
And the biggest pumper of all is Ron Paul.

I am not kidding, he is a total fraud and a crackpot.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
OMG are you kidding me? I am just not a sheep anymore to either party.

You could of fooled us lol
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
The Democrats have a witch hunt out on Palin, and I know why. It is because she poses so much of a threat to Obama losing they have to do whatever they can. McCain cant win without her. Obama should have picked Hillary. Now...that would be very scary. Hillary's desire for extreme Bush style power, and her delivery vehicle to bring it to her(Obama).

What do you actual know about Sarah Palin? How much have you looked into her time in politics in Alaska? I've spent hours researching not watching the Politico's on TV or just reading the Mainstream Press because I want to know not only what she stands for but how she has governed as mayor and governor. The Palin we have been exposed to is very different from who is was.

Please don't take my word for it. Go back and do some research of what happened in Alaska prior to her being selected. It takes a lot of time but it's worth it when deciding who deserve a persons vote for one of the highest offices in the country.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
The Democrats have a witch hunt out on Palin, and I know why. It is because she poses so much of a threat to Obama losing they have to do whatever they can. McCain cant win without her. Obama should have picked Hillary. Now...that would be very scary. Hillary's desire for extreme Bush style power, and her delivery vehicle to bring it to her(Obama).

too many people ASSUME Hillary would have taken the job....

i don't think she would have....

that would have been a step down in her mind.. IMO...

i don't think Palin has brought any swing votes to McCain...

she has energised the base.. but not undecided voters wher this campaign will be won or lost...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Lets try to be honest and rational about this person.

She has absolutely NO experience that would qualify her to be president.

Moreover, looking at her history, her administrative efforts are dominated by the crudest sort of cronyism, senseless vendettas, and abuse of trust.

Everywhere you might choose to look, almost everything she says is packed with lies and deceit, from the absurdity of her claim to be able to "see Russia from my porch", to claiming to be the force that stopped the republican boondoggle of the "Bridge to Nowhere" or firing a state official who failed to fire an enemy in her private life after being urged to so by her.

Wasilla Alaska lies approximately 600 miles from the nearest point of Russia, which is, due to the curvature of the earth, about ten times the the absolute maximum possible distance one could see anything. (Still, no doubt, the average republican's backward narrow mind can't put together that impossibility.)

The "Bridge to Nowhere" began as an earmark by indited republican Senator Ted Stevens (I don't know who first requested that he do so) and was thereafter championed repeatedly by Congressional republicans and by Palin, who spoke to that effect often and loudly. Even after the "Bridge to Nowhere" program was stopped in a democratic congress, Governor Palin refused to return the money for it to the Federal Government, spending it instead on a not essential and near private road from Anchorage to her home. (I wish I could get the feds to finance a new driveway for my house!) Palin quite rightly never claimed to have participated in the prevention of or to have stopped the "Bridge to Nowhere" prior to being named by McCain, because no effort on her part was directed at that program other than to champion it, which she did enthusiastically and repeatedly. Why does she now believe she can get away with the lie wherein she claims "I told Congress no on that "Bridge to Nowhere"". SHE DID NO SUCH THING!

During my sister's divorce, there were all manner of claims and counter claims describing the other one as cruel and dangerous and subhuman and so on and on and on and on . . . as is the case in almost any divorce. Eventually, the divorce was granted and all those demeaning and ego protecting accusations that serve to make the individuals believe they have excuses to overcome the stain of failing at marriage were soon left to wither in time. (Yes, from time to time my sister, when someone asserts that divorce is a sin or is a mark of failure, she resorts to recalling one or two of the once needed ego protections, but it is soon left again to rot and life goes on.) It was time for Palin to cease the attitude of protecting a sister in a divorce to end a rotten marriage as soon as the divorce was granted. When she refused and made her vendetta become an activity of chief executive of first the City, then the State, with all the force of that position, she went way over the line of what is acceptable in an official of the Government.

Overall and constantly, Palin has displayed a personal character that is totally unsuitable for any person holding any position with any level of governmental authority in this land. She has violated the most fundamental rules of such a governmental position: (1) authority and responsibility cannot be separated, neither may be allowed exists without the other and (2) the people must be provided with the truth.
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
The Democrats have a witch hunt out on Palin, and I know why. It is because she poses so much of a threat to Obama losing they have to do whatever they can. McCain cant win without her. Obama should have picked Hillary. Now...that would be very scary. Hillary's desire for extreme Bush style power, and her delivery vehicle to bring it to her(Obama).

What do you actual know about Sarah Palin? How much have you looked into her time in politics in Alaska? I've spent hours researching not watching the Politico's on TV or just reading the Mainstream Press because I want to know not only what she stands for but how she has governed as mayor and governor. The Palin we have been exposed to is very different from who is was.

Please don't take my word for it. Go back and do some research of what happened in Alaska prior to her being selected. It takes a lot of time but it's worth it when deciding who deserve a persons vote for one of the highest offices in the country.

Sure....but help us out though.....since you did extensive research, can you point us in the right direction.

Do you have links to some articles, stories, or facts we haven't seen?

Can you remember any titles of the stuff you read?

Since you said you spent hours researching Palin....surely you can point us toward some of what you are refering to.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I've posted some of them on this board. I don't want to put together a whole profile with links and everything because then it would be called an agenda.

You can start with the Alaska Newspapers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_newspapers_in_Alaska

I also suggest reading the b logs both conservative and liberal. It takes a lot of reading and sorting out in regard to b logs because of people's view points but they do lead to articles that were no longer available.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
Palin's town charged women for rape exam
While Sarah Palin was mayor, Wasilla charged victims for their rape exams
Interviews, review of records show no evidence Palin knew victims were charged
Former state representative says it seems unlikely Palin was not aware of issue



From Jessica Yellin
CNN

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (CNN) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's hometown required women to pay for their own rape examinations while she was mayor, a practice her police chief fought to keep as late as 2000.

Former state Rep. Eric Croft, a Democrat, sponsored a state law requiring cities to provide the examinations free of charge to victims. He said the only ongoing resistance he met was from Wasilla, where Palin was mayor from 1996 to 2002.

"It was one of those things everyone could agree on except Wasilla," Croft told CNN. "We couldn't convince the chief of police to stop charging them."

Alaska's Legislature in 2000 banned the practice of charging women for rape exam kits -- which experts said could cost up to $1,000.

Palin, the Republican nominee for vice president, often talks about her experience running Wasilla, population approximately 7,000, and that has prompted close scrutiny of her record there. Wasilla's practice of charging victims for their rape exams while she was mayor has gotten wide circulation on the Internet and in the mainstream media. Watch CNN's Jessica Yellin check the facts in Wasilla »

Some supporters of Palin say they believe she had no knowledge of the practice.But critics call it "outrageous" and question Palin's commitment to helping women who are the victims of violence.

For years, Alaska has had the worst record of any state in rape and in murder of women by men. The rape rate in Alaska is 2.5 times the national average.

Interviews and a review of records turned up no evidence that Palin knew that rape victims were being charged in her town. But Croft, the former state representative who sponsored the law changing the practice, says it seems unlikely Palin was not aware of the issue.

"I find it hard to believe that for six months a small town, a police chief, would lead the fight against a statewide piece of legislation receiving unanimous support and the mayor not know about it," Croft said.

During the time Palin was mayor of Wasilla, her city was not the only one in Alaska charging rape victims. Experts testified before the Legislature that in a handful of small cities across Alaska, law enforcement agencies were charging victims or their insurance "more than sporadically."

One woman who wrote in support of the legislation says she was charged for her rape exam by a police department in the city of Juneau, which is hundreds of miles from Wasilla.

But Wasilla stood out. Tara Henry, a forensic nurse who has been treating rape victims across Alaska for the last 12 years, told CNN that opposition to Croft's bill from Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon was memorable.

"Several municipal law enforcement agencies in the state did have trouble budgeting and paying for the evidence collection for sexual assault victims," Henry said. "What I recall is that the chief of police in the Wasilla police department seemed to be the most vocal about how it was going to affect their budget."

Croft has a similar memory. He said victims' advocates suggested he introduce legislation as a way to shame cities into changing their practice, and Wasilla resisted.

"I remember they had continued opposition," Croft said. "It was eight years ago now, but they were sort of unrepentant that they thought the taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for that."

He does not recall discussing the issue with then-Mayor Palin.

The bill, HB270, was before the legislature for six months. In testimony, one expert called the practice of billing the victim "incomprehensible." Others compared it to "dust[ing] for fingerprints" after a burglary, only "the victim's body is the crime scene."

During a rape exam, the victim removes her clothing and a medical professional gathers DNA evidence from her body. There is also a medical component to assess her injuries. That component has led some law enforcement agencies to balk at paying.

Henry, the forensic nurse, said charging victims "retraumatizes them."

"Asking them to pay for something law enforcement needs in order to investigate their case, it's almost like blaming them for getting sexually assaulted," she said.

The Alaska Legislature agreed. The bill passed unanimously with the support of the Alaska Department of Public Safety, the Alaska Peace Officers Association and more than two dozen co-sponsors.

After it became law, Wasilla's police chief told the local paper, The Frontiersman, that it would cost the city $5,000 to $14,000 a year -- money that he'd have to find.

"In the past, we've charged the cost of the exams to the victim's insurance company when possible," Fannon was quoted as saying. "I just don't want to see any more burden on the taxpayer."

He suggested the criminals should pay as restitution if and when they're convicted. Repeated attempts to reach Fannon for comment were unsuccessful.

Judy Patrick, who was Palin's deputy mayor and friend, blames the state.

"The bigger picture of what was going on at the time was that the state was trying to cut their own budget, and one of the things that they were doing was passing on costs to cities, and that was one of the many things that they were passing on, the cost to the city," said Patrick, who recalls enormous pressure to keep the city's budget down.

But the state was never responsible for paying the costs of local investigations. Patrick was also a member of Wasilla City Council, and she doesn't recall the issue coming before council members, nor does she remember discussing the issue with Palin.

She does recall Palin going through the budget in detail. She said Palin would review each department's budget line by line and send it back to department heads with her changes.

"Sarah is a fiscal conservative, and so she had seen that the city was heading in a direction of bigger projects, costing taxpayers more money, and she was determined to change that," Patrick said.

Before Palin came to City Hall, the Wasilla Police Department paid for rape kits out of a fund for miscellaneous costs, according to the police chief who preceded Fannon and was fired by Palin. That budget line was cut by more than half during Palin's tenure, but it did not specifically mention rape exams.

In a statement, Jill Hazelbaker, communications director for Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign, said that "to imply that Gov. Palin is or has ever been an advocate of charging victims for evidence gathering kits is an utter distortion of reality."

"As her record shows, Gov. Palin is committed to supporting victims and bringing violent criminals to justice," Hazelbaker said. "She does not, nor has she ever believed that rape victims should have to pay for an evidence gathering test."

Those who fought the policy are unconvinced.

"It's incomprehensible to me that this could be a rogue police chief and not a policy decision. It lasted too long and it was too high-profile," Croft said.

The rape kit charges have become an issue among Palin critics who say as governor she has not done enough to combat Alaska's epidemic problem of violence against women. They point to a small funding increase for domestic violence shelters at a time when Alaska has a multibillion-dollar budget surplus. Victims' advocates say that services are lacking and that Palin cut funding for a number of programs that treat female victims of violence.

In the past week, Alaska's challenges with sexual assault have been in the spotlight again -- in connection with an ongoing inquiry into whether Palin abused her power by firing the head of Alaska's Department of Public Safety. Palin's office released e-mails showing that one area of disagreement between her and Department of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan was his lobbying in Washington for $30 million to fund a new program of sexual assault response teams.

The McCain-Palin campaign insists that fighting domestic violence and sexual assault are priorities for Palin. And they say she has been looking at other programs to support. As governor, Palin approved a funding increase for domestic violence shelters -- $266,200 over two years. And she reauthorized a Council on Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:

Since you said you spent hours researching Palin....surely you can point us toward some of what you are refering to.

Ace she left the town with a mountain of debt..

when she came into office? the town had no debt...

she left about 20 million in debt for a town of less than 6000...

she did it to build a hockey rink...

and the planning on the hockey rink was a mess too.. she didn't buy all the land before she began construction, so the owner of the land she needed obvioulsy held out for alot more money...
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Good ole CNN
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
The simple fact that she is trying to keep people from finding things out about her record is pretty good evidence that there is some pretty good and damaging evidence being covered up, which in turn more than suggest it isn't simply evidence of bad stuff Palin didn't know about.

One thing we do know, she is a pretty constant liar.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
if you increased the national debt by the same amount on a per person basis?

that would be 3500 X 300 million...... is that over trillion? [BadOne] she's not conservative..
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
She sure knows how to get money from the Government.

When I was up in alaska never saw so much gonernment funding to people and business.

Never saw so much oil money going to regular people. The oil companies just buy there right to drill form the local idiots
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
OK, to give you an idea how big a deal being Govenror of Alask is? Alaska has ONE Congressional district....

Alaska's At-large congressional district comprises the entire state of Alaska. This Congressional district has the largest area and lowest population density of any district in the United States. It has been represented by Republican Don Young since 1973.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska%27s_At-large_congressional_district

the more i learn about Alaska? the more i want to move there...

the whole state is just like a small town with very long streets [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
I wonder how hot the girls are there... if Palin looks like that lol
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Haven,t you ever been to Alaska if you have you would not have asked that question.

Not to many lookers. As a matter of fact a good looking girl the Alaskans say she is most likley a tourtist.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Then I guess Palin is a tourist lol another lie from her damnit!!!
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
OK, to give you an idea how big a deal being Govenror of Alask is? Alaska has ONE Congressional district....
Regardless of how big it is, it's still a much bigger deal than being a community organizer. LOL!
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
OK, to give you an idea how big a deal being Govenror of Alask is? Alaska has ONE Congressional district....
Regardless of how big it is, it's still a much bigger deal than being a community organizer. LOL!
sounds like thats all it is!! lol...Hell,pms, maybe even YOU could govern alaska!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
OK, to give you an idea how big a deal being Govenror of Alask is? Alaska has ONE Congressional district....
Regardless of how big it is, it's still a much bigger deal than being a community organizer. LOL!
Depends on the community, dumbo.

Organizing the poor in Chicago is a whale of a job that was beyond the abilities and patience of anyone before Obama (or maybe it was beyond their racial prejudices). There is no doubt the intricacies of a whole great big enormous population of barely more than half a million is many miles simpler, particularly when one considers that there is already a organization there to take over and nothing needed to be created out of nothing.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
OK, to give you an idea how big a deal being Govenror of Alask is? Alaska has ONE Congressional district....
Regardless of how big it is, it's still a much bigger deal than being a community organizer. LOL!
Depends on the community, dumbo.

Organizing the poor in Chicago is a whale of a job that was beyond the abilities and patience of anyone before Obama (or maybe it was beyond their racial prejudices). There is no doubt the intricacies of a whole great big enormous population of barely more than half a million is many miles simpler, particularly when one considers that there is already a organization there to take over and nothing needed to be created out of nothing.

Obama was in charge of organizing all the poor in Chicago?
Don't they have a Mayor that would be somewhat involved.
Did Obama have to give detailed accounts of what he accomplished?
What did he accomplish?
What size staff did he have?
Are the poor of Chicago visably better off because Obama was their community organizer?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
what was her GPA?

Sarah Palin's GPA has not been released. It is known that she did not graduate with any honors or distinctions though.

oh yeah... another Dubya..

BTW? McCain barely made it out of the Naval Academy too...

and he was a legacy...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Who cares!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Who cares!

LOL... that's the same thing i heard about Dubya...

and look where we are now...
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
I care!
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
McCain was not last he was fifth from the bottom
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Who cares!

LOL... that's the same thing i heard about Dubya...

and look where we are now...

If it was a Dem with those numbers you know that Lockman and others then would "care"...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Yeah, but that's Lockstep, always steppin to the RNC polka.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
I think I remember something about Bush having a better GPA then Bill Clinton. What differnce did that make?


I think we should be more concerned about a V.P.
candidate who has plagerized his speeches and writings. What good are high marks in college if you then turn around cheat off someone else's paper.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I think I remember something about Bush having a better GPA then Bill Clinton. What differnce did that make?


I think we should be more concerned about a V.P.
candidate who has plagerized his speeches and writings. What good are high marks in college if you then turn around cheat off someone else's paper.

Bush? hardly... i won't vote for any Clinton, but Bill was a Rhodes scholar... Bush was a "C" student.. and yeah, i voted for Bush in '00..but i wanted Mccain then..

as for the plagiarising? i think that was blown out of proportion...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
C Student? We have a C student for a Prez? [More Crap] Still want McCain Glass?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
C Student? We have a C student for a Prez? [More Crap]

Gore got alot of C's too and his SAT scores were good enough to get in any school..
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
C Student? We have a C student for a Prez? [More Crap] Still want McCain Glass?

Obamas grades are one of his stronger points..

he appears to be a well organised person both in speech and management decisions. but we really only have his campaign to look at for his management skills...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Yeah, but he wasn't Prez lol so that point is mute... but I like to think Gore is a little above in the IQ department then Bush...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
this country needs a third party
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
this country needs several parties like they do in European countries... but i would still vote liberal even if we had several parties...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
Yeah, but he wasn't Prez lol so that point is mute... but I like to think Gore is a little above in the IQ department then Bush...

i agree... his SAT's were 1355..

Bush's were 1200, but i have no doubt that he was trained to take them...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Weren't most of us "trained" to take them lol some of us if not most of us had study groups, tutors etc.. etc..
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Doesn't look like the SAT will survive.

IT SHOULDN'T!

It measures obedience and submissiveness rather than intellect.

At best it is a joke, at worst, it denies a decent college to some of the best and brightest and fills the rolls instead with adherents of what was believed fifty years ago.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I think I remember something about Bush having a better GPA then Bill Clinton. What differnce did that make?


I think we should be more concerned about a V.P.
candidate who has plagerized his speeches and writings. What good are high marks in college if you then turn around cheat off someone else's paper.

Bush? hardly... i won't vote for any Clinton, but Bill was a Rhodes scholar... Bush was a "C" student.. and yeah, i voted for Bush in '00..but i wanted Mccain then..

as for the plagiarising? i think that was blown out of proportion...

A Rhodes "scholar" is Just someone that did their graduate work in england. It's made to sound like something special but all you need is money to get into the school. Bush could have been a Rhodes "scholar" if he chose too.

And I find using someone elses words as your own to be very disturbing. I like joe biden but what original ideas can we believe he has?
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
I care!

Why would you care about what someone's GPA was when they were 24 years old?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
A Rhodes "scholar" is Just someone that did their graduate work in england. It's made to sound like something special but all you need is money to get into the school. Bush could have been a Rhodes "scholar" if he chose too.

please, i hate defending Clinton , but he was poor..

he didn't have dady's money to go..

and i beleive you should look up what a rhodes scholarship really is...

Bush might have been able to get one but not on merit...

my wife turned down a post-doc at Oxford (not the one in MS) because we could not afford the low pay...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Lockjaw,

You really really don't know much about the academic world and you have proved it.

You are much much better quoting the RNC's talking points.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
I care!

Why would you care about what someone's GPA was when they were 24 years old?
Palin's college experience: 5 schools in 6 years before graduating with journalism degree
By Nicholas K. Geranios
Associated Press
Article Launched: 09/04/2008 03:23:46 PM PDT

SPOKANE, Wash. — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin attended five colleges in six years before graduating from the University of Idaho in 1987.

Federal privacy laws prohibit the schools from disclosing her grades, and none of the schools contacted by The Associated Press could say why she transferred. There was no indication any of them were contacted as part of the background investigation of Palin by presidential candidate John McCain's campaign.

"Our office was not contacted by anyone," said Tania Thompson, spokeswoman for the University of Idaho in Moscow.


http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_10382124

that sounds alot worse than ME and i am not about to put myself out as qualiifed to be Mayor...

and i sure as hek am not going to vote for somebody that bad [Razz]
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Lockjaw,

You really really don't know much about the academic world and you have proved it.

You are much much better quoting the RNC's talking points.

Who asked you? Go back to your Dumocrat readings.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
seriously Lock? the "charm" about Palin is the same "charm" as Dubya had...

he/she could be any of US.. and somehow that appeals to the idea that America can offer greatness to anybody.

but do we really want to put all of our fates in the hands of just anybody?
look where it got US this last time...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Note that dubya hid his college transcripts too and refused to answer question about his grades.

Now don't get me wrong. I think that is a protected right of any person, politician or not. Actually, Palin achieved the requirements for a degree and exactly how isn't a proper question.

My own record of grades isn't pretty. I started off doing quite poorly. Then, via work I did away from school, I earned a research fellowship in chemistry, which not only paid for my tuition and books, but provided money otherwise, so that for the first time ever, I knew that I could eat from day to day. That burden had been one that was way too much for me. From the point of getting that fellowship on, through two more years of the the BA, the MA, and the Ph.D. I made less than A in only only two courses.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Lockjaw,

You really really don't know much about the academic world and you have proved it.

You are much much better quoting the RNC's talking points.

Who asked you? Go back to your Dumocrat readings.
You did, Lockstep, by the simple act of posting on a public forum. Or, are you too dim witted to understand that social reality.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
A Rhodes "scholar" is Just someone that did their graduate work in england. It's made to sound like something special but all you need is money to get into the school. Bush could have been a Rhodes "scholar" if he chose too.

please, i hate defending Clinton , but he was poor..

he didn't have dady's money to go..

and i beleive you should look up what a rhodes scholarship really is...

Bush might have been able to get one but not on merit...

my wife turned down a post-doc at Oxford (not the one in MS) because we could not afford the low pay...

I should have looked up the rhodes scholarship, my bad. I still don't see the significance of a persons GPA , twenty years ago.

Palin may have gone to several colleges before getting her degree. Determination and a need to be a success are a good trait to have.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
. I still don't see the significance of a persons GPA , twenty years ago.

Palin may have gone to several colleges before getting her degree. Determination and a need to be a success are a good trait to have.


excellent point...

now if you were going to hire an executive administrator for your co? would you ask or not?

cuz that's what we are doing..

only in politics do these questions get swept aside...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Lockjaw,

You really really don't know much about the academic world and you have proved it.

You are much much better quoting the RNC's talking points.

Who asked you? Go back to your Dumocrat readings.
You did, Lockstep, by the simple act of posting on a public forum. Or, are you too dim witted to understand that social reality.
Maybe you could just go back under your rock, I hear the wormy squirmy like that!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
McCain and Biden have both proven themselves to be able to get re-elected over and over again...

that counts for something... it shows good hiring practices and good administration of campaigns..

Palin and Obamma have much less track record, so we have to go on something...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
. I still don't see the significance of a persons GPA , twenty years ago.

Palin may have gone to several colleges before getting her degree. Determination and a need to be a success are a good trait to have.


excellent point...

now if you were going to hire an executive administrator for your co? would you ask or not?

cuz that's what we are doing..

only in politics do these questions get swept aside...

I would like to know what they've been doing for the last 20 years. I wouldn't ask much more than did you graduate from college.
Graduating from college shows you have the staying power to complete something, not really much more than that.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Lockjaw,

You probably have a better source of information from your own than I do. However, though I have never personally tried it, I hear (mostly from some coal miners I've known) it is most uncomfortable for human beings under rocks.

You might find it agreeable, I cant say, but if you are interested, I could possibly find a rock big enough and in such a state it could be dropped on you. Might I advise that you duck your head and avoid the inevitable questions about the impact of two such hard objects being solved with the fracturing of the rock.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
The real question does graduating from college mean you have the instincts to lead?

I've met people considered to be scholars or aleast consider themselves to be scholars, that I wouldn't follow across the street. Working as a college professor is an example of someone being an expert on what they've been taught but never appling it to the real world.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
Lockjaw,

You probably have a better source of information from your own than I do. However, though I have never personally tried it, I hear (mostly from some coal miners I've known) it is most uncomfortable for human beings under rocks.

You might find it agreeable, I cant say, but if you are interested, I could possibly find a rock big enough and in such a state it could be dropped on you. Might I advise that you duck your head and avoid the inevitable questions about the impact of two such hard objects being solved with the fracturing of the rock.

Go away please!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
The real question does graduating from college mean you have the instincts to lead?

I've met people considered to be scholars or aleast consider themselves to be scholars, that I wouldn't follow across the street. Working as a college professor is an example of someone being an expert on what they've been taught but never appling it to the real world.

Again you have displayed your ignorance of the academic world.

Exactly where did you come by that line and what makes you qualified to make such a judgment? Just how many professors have you actually known and of them, how much of their work did you ever know or understand?

(You are getting this trash talk from either Spiro Agnew or Rush Limbaugh, aren't you? (It shows, ya know?) Haven't you noticed that they are both generations out of date?)
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
I certainly want my governing officials to have high intelligence and reasoning power. also I would require good communication skills,proper ettiquette,extensive knowledge of the constitution and the intracacies of the governing bodies, extremely knowledgable in foreign policy(executive office applicants) and how to handle foreign leaders without pisssing em off. someone who is a thinking person, who is deliberate and always looking for an alternate solution to war. diplomacy comes to mind....ya know, all those things that are completely opposite of georgieboy...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
The real question does graduating from college mean you have the instincts to lead?

I've met people considered to be scholars or aleast consider themselves to be scholars, that I wouldn't follow across the street. Working as a college professor is an example of someone being an expert on what they've been taught but never appling it to the real world.

Again you have displayed your ignorance of the academic world.

Exactly where did you come by that line and what makes you qualified to make such a judgment? Just how many professors have you actually known and of them, how much of their work did you ever know or understand?

(You are getting this trash talk from either Spiro Agnew or Rush Limbaugh, aren't you? (It shows, ya know?) Haven't you noticed that they are both generations out of date?)

Oh wait your a "college professor" aren't you. A real expert at what you were taught and not much else.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Who cares!

LOL... that's the same thing i heard about Dubya...

and look where we are now...

If it was a Dem with those numbers you know that Lockman and others then would "care"...
What difference does it make what Obama's GPA was? Is he going to impress the president of Russia with how smart he was in college?
Obama actually sounded very informed about the 700 billion bailout. It's just his wealth distribution plans that bother me. Of course what is this bailout but wealth distribution.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
It's just his wealth distribution plans that bother me. Of course what is this bailout but wealth distribution.

so? the next rational question is do you want somebody who lies about it? or do you want somebody who is honest..

lemme remind you that Bush said he wasn't for nation building (neither am i) and then he took on a nation to build by his own choice...

and? he's handed out cash to "stimulate" the economy...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
You still don't get it.

I accept and plead guilty to being one.

I do not accept any part of your characterization of what that implies, particularly your ignorant claim that I or any other "professor" is "A real expert at what you were taught and not much else."

I happen to be expert in a number of areas, some academic and some not, some I learned as a student, some not, most no one taught me but me (and I shouldn't be surprised to learn that among them is whatever area of knowledge you believe you yourself most qualified in).

Your narrow minded lack of understanding that allows you to imagine you being even a fraction as knowledgeable on ANYTHING as is the average "professor" is childish and amounts to the arrogance of being simple minded and mentally stilted enough to not know what is out there to know.


(Again, You are getting this trash talk from either Spiro Agnew or Rush Limbaugh, aren't you? (It shows, ya know?) Haven't you noticed that they are both generations out of date?) (Borrowing from Billy Martin, one's convicted, one's indited.)
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
It's just his wealth distribution plans that bother me. Of course what is this bailout but wealth distribution.

so? the next rational question is do you want somebody who lies about it? or do you want somebody who is honest..

lemme remind you that Bush said he wasn't for nation building (neither am i) and then he took on a nation to build by his own choice...

and? he's handed out cash to "stimulate" the economy...

Bush isn't running for president.
I'm not a big Bush fan, especially on his immigration policy or lack of one.
The mistake in Iraq was that we stayed, I agree nation building is not something we should be involved with. The problem where faced with now is how do we get out of Afganistan?
The economic mess were in has to be shared by Bush but our congress is suppose to be in charge of monitary policy where were they.
We need term limits on congress, we also shouldn't have life time appointments to our supreme court.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
You still don't get it.

I accept and plead guilty to being one.

I do not accept any part of your characterization of what that implies, particularly your ignorant claim that I or any other "professor" is "A real expert at what you were taught and not much else."

I happen to be expert in a number of areas, some academic and some not, some I learned as a student, some not, most no one taught me but me (and I shouldn't be surprised to learn that among them is whatever area of knowledge you believe you yourself most qualified in).

Your narrow minded lack of understanding that allows you to imagine you being even a fraction as knowledgeable on ANYTHING as is the average "professor" is childish and amounts to the arrogance of being simple minded and mentally stilted enough to not know what is out there to know.


(Again, You are getting this trash talk from either Spiro Agnew or Rush Limbaugh, aren't you? (It shows, ya know?) Haven't you noticed that they are both generations out of date?) (Borrowing from Billy Martin, one's convicted, one's indited.)

Let's face it the average college professor is teaching college courses because they can't make it in the real world. Now there are the exceptions and if your one I applaud you.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Let's face it the average college professor is teaching college courses because they can't make it in the real world. Now there are the exceptions and if your one I applaud you.

you don't beleive that do you?

most people teaching in classes work for professors...

most professors work about 60 hrs per week...

and a cat 1 professor makes over 150 grand salry...

that's not including granting moneys they collect for their projects.. and most grants are from private instituions INVESTING in new knowledge...

the UC system makes more money off their patents than they do anything else...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Let's face it the average college professor is teaching college courses because they can't make it in the real world. Now there are the exceptions and if your one I applaud you.

you don't beleive that do you?

most people teaching in classes work for professors...

most professors work about 60 hrs per week...

and a cat 1 professor makes over 150 grand salry...

that's not including granting moneys they collect for their projects.. and most grants are from private instituions INVESTING in new knowledge...

the UC system makes more money off their patents than they do anything else...

Na not really, I was just trying to get The begee all spazed out. lol
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Let's face it the average college professor is teaching college courses because they can't make it in the real world. Now there are thepisant exceptions and if your one I applaud you.

you don't beleive that do you?

most people teaching in classes work for professors...

most professors work about 60 hrs per week...

and a cat 1 professor makes over 150 grand salry...

that's not including granting moneys they collect for their projects.. and most grants are from private instituions INVESTING in new knowledge...

the UC system makes more money off their patents than they do anything else...

Na not really, I was just trying to get The begee all spazed out. lol
I'll be a long cold day in hell before I get upset by a pip-squeak intellect that hardy could mount a challenge in a debate with a pissant.

Like all good little boys and girls, I set goals when I first started out on life's journey. I reached and exceeded all mine and several I never thought to pursue. Leaving out the chance that you set out to be a Party line republican parrot and, thereby, would, by constant example, be a winner, did you come close to any?

Didn't think so, really......
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Let's face it the average college professor is teaching college courses because they can't make it in the real world. Now there are thepisant exceptions and if your one I applaud you.

you don't beleive that do you?

most people teaching in classes work for professors...

most professors work about 60 hrs per week...

and a cat 1 professor makes over 150 grand salry...

that's not including granting moneys they collect for their projects.. and most grants are from private instituions INVESTING in new knowledge...

the UC system makes more money off their patents than they do anything else...

Na not really, I was just trying to get The begee all spazed out. lol
I'll be a long cold day in hell before I get upset by a pip-squeak intellect that hardy could mount a challenge in a debate with a pissant.

Like all good little boys and girls, I set goals when I first started out on life's journey. I reached and exceeded all mine and several I never thought to pursue. Leaving out the chance that you set out to be a Party line republican parrot and, thereby, would, by constant example, be a winner, did you come close to any?

Didn't think so, really......

Are you admitting to being a pissant?

You've reached all your goals? You are amazing! At least for a Dumocrat.

I've lived a very satisfing life and I'm not all constipated like you.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
constipated,unlike verbal diarrhea
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
prunes and kaopectate for everybody...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Poor Lockjaw. He has no idea what is being said or how to react, because it doesn't come from Fat Rush or dubya or the RNC, with specific directions how to respond.

What I said is that, if being a really dense and really sick Party line parrot was the only goal you ever had in life, you can consider yourself successful. And, if you had any goal in life that included being credible, you failed completely.

I don't know who first said such a thing, so I can't award deserving credit, but I will borrow the line: What you exhibit is diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain.

Sadly, with educational opportunities passed by long ago, I fear you have reached a state of equilibrium that will be always with you.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Hey begee we all can't be full of it like you.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Yeah, but you sure can, Lockedbrain.....BIG TIME and perpetually.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
begee your just a sad little man sitting in a closet trying to come up with new ways to force your socialistic point of view on anyone that will listen.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
you sound like a PMS puppet


now just relax..take a deep breath, and go fishin'...it'll all be over soon...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
you sound like a PMS puppet


now just relax..take a deep breath, and go fishin'...it'll all be over soon...

Have you sided with anyone other than begee?
Talk about a puppet!
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
I thought he was talking about a puppet.

Wasn't he speaking of you, Lockjaw?
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! What?
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I should have looked up the rhodes scholarship, my bad. I still don't see the significance of a persons GPA , twenty years ago.

Palin may have gone to several colleges before getting her degree. Determination and a need to be a success are a good trait to have.

Yah, you put your foot in your mouth about the Rhodes scholarship lol As well as why a GPA could signify a better executive... look what a dumb witted person like Bush got us in the last 8 years...
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
September 2008
Palin linked electoral success to prayer of Kenyan witchhunter
The pastor whose prayer Sarah Palin says helped her to become governor of Alaska founded his ministry with a witchhunt against a Kenyan woman who he accused of causing car accidents through demonic spells.

At a speech at the Wasilla Assembly of God on June 8 this year, Mrs Palin described how Thomas Muthee had laid his hands on her when he visited the church as a guest preacher in late 2005, prior to her successful gubernatorial bid.

In video footage of the speech, she is seen saying: “As I was mayor and Pastor Muthee was here and he was praying over me, and you know how he speaks and he’s so bold. And he was praying “Lord make a way, Lord make a way.”

“And I’m thinking, this guy’s really bold, he doesn’t even know what I’m going to do, he doesn’t know what my plans are. And he’s praying not “oh Lord if it be your will may she become governor,” no, he just prayed for it. He said “Lord make a way and let her do this next step. And that’s exactly what happened.”

She then adds: “So, again, very very powerful, coming from this church,” before the presiding pastor comments on the “prophetic power” of the event.

An African evangelist, Pastor Muthee has given guest sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God on at least 10 occasions in his role as the founder of the Word of Faith Church, also known as the Prayer Cave.

Pastor Muthee founded the Prayer Cave in 1989 in Kiambu, Kenya after “God spoke” to him and his late wife Margaret and called him to the country, according to the church’s website.

The pastor speaks of his offensive against a demonic presence in the town in a trailer for the evangelical video “Transformations”, made by Sentinel Group, a Christian research and information agency.

“We prayed, we fasted, the Lord showed us a spirit of witchcraft resting over the place,” Pastor Muthee says.

After the spirit was broken, the crime rate dropped to almost zero and there was “explosive church growth” while almost every bar in the town closed down, the video says.

The full Transformations video featuring Pastor Muthee’s story has recently been removed from YouTube but the rest of the story is detailed in a 1999 article in the Christian Science Monitor, as well as on numerous evangelical websites.

According to the Christian Science Monitor, six months of fervent prayer and research identified the source of the witchcraft as a local woman called Mama Jane, who ran a “divination” centre called the Emmanuel Clinic.

Her alleged involvement in fortune-telling and the fact that she lived near the site of a number of fatal car accidents led Pastor Muthee to publicly declare her a witch responsible for the town’s ills, and order her to offer her up her soul for salvation or leave Kiambu.

Says the Monitor, “Muthee held a crusade that “brought about 200 people to Christ”.” They set up round-the-clock prayer intercession in the basement of a grocery store and eventually, says the pastor “the demonic influence – the ‘principality’ over Kiambu –was broken”, and Mama Jane fled the town.

According to accounts of the witchhunt circulated on evangelical websites such as Prayer Links Ministries, after Pastor Muthee declared Mama Jane a witch, the townspeople became suspicious and began to turn on her, demanding that she be stoned. Public outrage eventually led the police to raid her home, where they fired gunshots, killing a pet python which they believed to be a demon.

After Mama Jane was questioned by police – and released – she decided it was time to leave town, the account says.

Pastor Muthee has frequently referred to this witchhunt in his sermons as an example of the power of “spiritual warfare”. In October 2005, he delivered ten sermons at the Wasilla Assembly of God, the audio of which was available on the church’s website until it was removed around the time Mrs Palin’s candidacy was announced. The **** Irregular Times has listings and screen grabs of the sermons.

It was during that these sermons that Mrs Palin, who was then preparing for her gubernatorial run, was anointed by Pastor Muthee. His intercession, she says, was “awesome”.

Her June 8 speech was to mark the graduation of students from the Wasilla Assembly of God’s Masters’ Commission, which, as Pastor Ed Kalins explains, believes Alaska will be the refuge for American evangelicals upon the coming “End of Days”. After her speech, Mrs Palin was presented with an honorary Masters’ Commission diploma.

Posted at 05:15 PM in Sarah Palin | Permalink
TrackBack
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I should have looked up the rhodes scholarship, my bad. I still don't see the significance of a persons GPA , twenty years ago.

Palin may have gone to several colleges before getting her degree. Determination and a need to be a success are a good trait to have.

Yah, you put your foot in your mouth about the Rhodes scholarship lol As well as why a GPA could signify a better executive... look what a dumb witted person like Bush got us in the last 8 years...
So your criteria for President is based on what their GPA was in college? I guess learning how to take advantage of a young woman intern was the result of a rhodes scholar education. I wonder if the cigar idea was hatched in that great hall of education.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
I wonder if the cigar idea was hatched in that great hall of education.


that was prolly hatched in the lesser hall of education: a Frat house [Wink]
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
I wonder if the cigar idea was hatched in that great hall of education.


that was prolly hatched in the lesser hall of education: a Frat house [Wink]

A frat house full of high GPA students I'd imagine.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
I wonder if the cigar idea was hatched in that great hall of education.


that was prolly hatched in the lesser hall of education: a Frat house [Wink]

A frat house full of high GPA students I'd imagine.
some of 'em have good test inventories [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I should have looked up the rhodes scholarship, my bad. I still don't see the significance of a persons GPA , twenty years ago.

Palin may have gone to several colleges before getting her degree. Determination and a need to be a success are a good trait to have.

Yah, you put your foot in your mouth about the Rhodes scholarship lol As well as why a GPA could signify a better executive... look what a dumb witted person like Bush got us in the last 8 years...
So your criteria for President is based on what their GPA was in college? I guess learning how to take advantage of a young woman intern was the result of a rhodes scholar education. I wonder if the cigar idea was hatched in that great hall of education.
Taken advantage? No, Monica is a adult and knew what she was doing when she was on her knees and when she stored a stained dress. What a President does in his off time doesn't affect what he does when he is deciding policies and such politically. I don't know every Presidents academic achievements nor IQ but I would betcha that Bush is probably in the top 3 of the worst academic achievements and IQ... Now ask yourself whose policy decisions have made more damage to this country... Bush's or anyone else's? The only other Prez I would compare to Bush is probably Herbert Hoover and his decisions... So notwithstanding I would rather have a President in Office with high academic achievements rather then a C student who is/was controlled by 2 evil men (Cheney and Rove) and is easily manipulated... say what you want about Clinton or most other Presidents but we weren't in this mess since really the Great Depression...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
Your seriously going to blame the whole Clinton scandal on Monica! Your kidding right?
Either She's the craftiest 19 yr. old I've ever heard of or he's the dumbest jerk in the world.

And I believe he was getting head in a hallway next to the oval office. I wouldn't say that was his off time.

And the worst part about the whole situation was he left himself exposed to blackmail. The man left himself vunerable to his enemies as we saw during his impeachment.

He also proved that he was willing to compromise the office of the President of the United States. If you still think he was the greatest president ever I think I'd do some more research.

I'll go on record as saying that Bush has been a disaster but I don't think it was his C average in college that caused it. Actually I would love to have known how Big Al would have reacted to 911.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
Your seriously going to blame the whole Clinton scandal on Monica! Your kidding right?
Either She's the craftiest 19 yr. old I've ever heard of or he's the dumbest jerk in the world.

Ahhh so Monica is such a little innocent naive girl who didn't know what being on her knees and having a d*ck shoved in her mouth meant? LoL And had no clue why she kept a stained dress under lock and key long time after the affair... yes your right Monica is naive and none of what happened was because of her... it was all Clinton... [Roll Eyes]

quote:
And I believe he was getting head in a hallway next to the oval office. I wouldn't say that was his off time.
He did live there no, during his 8 years there? [Roll Eyes] You can't have offtime in your residence? [Roll Eyes]

quote:
And the worst part about the whole situation was he left himself exposed to blackmail. The man left himself vunerable to his enemies as we saw during his impeachment.
ah so your saying Monica wasn't so innocent and some of the blame of the scandal lies on her lap?

quote:
He also proved that he was willing to compromise the office of the President of the United States. If you still think he was the greatest president ever I think I'd do some more research.
It's been said that most if not pretty much all Presidents have had affairs in the 20th Century. Whether that was while in office or not is debatable. So perhaps you should go do some research on the topic.

quote:
I'll go on record as saying that Bush has been a disaster but I don't think it was his C average in college that caused it. Actually I would love to have known how Big Al would have reacted to 911.
I would venture to say that with Big Al we would not be in Iraq and we would be $12 Billion per month richer. Anything else is debatable. [Razz]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Palin apparently embarrassed herself--or the party--with Couric's interview earlier this evening. Who's her handlers? They're not doing a very good job...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
I always miss the good stuff... [Were Down]
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
for those who didn't see it Saturday Night:

http://entertainment.msn.com/video/playern/?G=a2060925-70eb-454d-98f8-7a108aac6d 36
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
So are Biden and Palin going to go toe to toe or what because the whole debate thing isnt looking too well for the McCain camp.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Palin apparently embarrassed herself--or the party--with Couric's interview earlier this evening. Who's her handlers? They're not doing a very good job...

Like it matters?

Where ya gonna find a handler that can make a silk purse outta a sows ear?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Well, she's photogenic enough that a real pro could make some headway. As it is, it's becoming ever more clear that she's in w-a-y over her head.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Yep, no matter what lipstick she wears.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Lockman

"Actually I would love to have known how Big Al would have reacted to 911."

He most likely would have sent Bin Hidin a carbon credit bill for all of the toxic smoke.

Then had them send him a check.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Palin apparently embarrassed herself--or the party--with Couric's interview earlier this evening. Who's her handlers? They're not doing a very good job...

The great thing about the Couric interview is that nobody can claim she was heavy handed. She did a proper interview by asking the questions and allowing Palin to sink or swim on her own. I really don't see how Palin supporters will be able to put a positive spin on this.

Having done extensive research on Palin this came as no surprise to me. In most interviews she has had the look of some searching for what her handler's have told her and it comes out forced.

You either have the ability to learn and assimilation what you have learned so that you can speak with an understanding or you simply regurgitate the lines in a meaningless manner.

Think about it, first she has a handle on foreign policy because she can see Russia from parts of Alaska and now when expounding upon it she can see Putin head when it rises over into Alaska. Doesn't she realize that there are satellites in space that give us the ability to monitor Russia's movements and that we don't need eyes in Alaska.

It's hard for me to believe that McCain had any extensive talks with Palin before choosing her. If he had then he would have known that she was out of her depth. On the other hand if he didn't interview her extensively than it was a political move and shows how much country first means. I wish McCain had made a better choice.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I wish McCain had made a better choice.

Sux for him and you/GOPers [Razz] But anyways did you see the Sat Night Live skit of Tina Fey/Palin?
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
her interview with couric was as funny as the tina fey skit. Palin has no clue and her star is sinking fast..along with the ticket!..I see why they dont want any free-wheeling interviews.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
I wonder if McCain will dump Palin I do hear rumors but that is all.I hope he doesn't what an assett the Dems would loose
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Yes I did see the Couric interview. She was no worse than George Bush on an interview but people seem to like stupid when it comes on Bush he has a way of wearing it well and likes it.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Bond,

It ain't that dubya likes it, he thinks a crop of ripe stupid is normal and how the rest of us think, because it's the best he's ever felt.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
hahahahaha
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
If Curic seemed to you to be being fair and not pressing too hard for answers or specifics from Simple Sarah, recall the look of absolute wonder on Curic's face as she heard the answers Simple Sarah tried to give.

That look was part horror at realizing the chick could actually imagine the utterances she was spouting might have a damned thing to do with the question stated (or any other for that matter) and that the great slayer of moose imagined what she did get out was coherent, then probably more than that, that ANY rational human being could knowingly have proposed taking the chance of turning this Nation over to a pure bimbo, unable to recognize her pure bimbo genetic make-up.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
bdgee,BIMBO? do you need to use a sexist term to describe her intellectual challenges?
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Yeah, 'cause it fits and what others sort of terminology fits a trained beauty contestant that is still trying to answer the question at the end of the talent part of the contest, like she was doing with Curic.

Go ahead, without letting her know ahead of time what the question will be, ask her why some people can't find the U.S. A. on a map.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i know, but how about hitting on a real point,
like when asked about nation building?

she obviously became totally confused, esp/ when it was pointed out that Hamas won an election...

i don't think she knew what Hamas was or what election they won, that's why she dropped back to talking about the evil of Iran...

i mean she was pitifull and Katie was very nice to her..

Katie has been soft on everybody since becoming the anchor... can't blame her for trying to get herself stabilised in the job before she starts shredding people like she used to do.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Real point? As in specific? Was there some specific question she was more confused about than others?

I'm concerned with the horrid possibility that McCain might win. He won't be able to live out a 4 year term and we'd have Simple Sarah misreading and misunderstanding anything told to her, then providing misanswers to dire situations and believing they are even rational, all with that beauty contestant learned false smile.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
yeah but just calling her a bimbo (whether she is or not) makes people dismiss the critique.. that's all i'm saying...

this is a job interview.. and until Americans stop seeing it as "my team" V "the other team" we are doomed. that's how we got into this mess..

on the teams? if you watch Fox "news" today? they are trying to make it look like McCain went to washington and saved the day...

which is a joke, but they don't care, are just about the team..
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
yeah but just calling her a bimbo (whether she is or not) makes people dismiss the critique.. that's all i'm saying...

this is a job interview.. and until Americans stop seeing it as "my team" V "the other team" we are doomed. that's how we got into this mess..

on the teams? if you watch Fox "news" today? they are trying to make it look like McCain went to washington and saved the day...

which is a joke, but they don't care, are just about the team..

You are right. I know that as soon as I see a post on political message boards or ****s that is an attempt to degrade one of the candidates, I turn off. No matter what truth there maybe be in the post it kills the message.

It goes both ways and just entrenches the individual in whatever camp they maybe in. Calling people stupid or idiots for their belief's only makes them dig in deeper because now it's personal.

True debate of issues or qualifications of the candidates will only happen when opinions are backed up with facts to support the opinion.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
bdgee,BIMBO? do you need to use a sexist term to describe her intellectual challenges?

I loved that part of the Tina Fey skit where they said that it wasn't accepted to use the sexist excuse for Hillary but for Palin it's accepted lol that is so true...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
if you watch Fox "news" today? they are trying to make it look like McCain went to washington and saved the day...
CNN reporting McCain says debate is back on, his having realized he's really not needed in D.C.

quick study, huh?
 
Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
LOL...yeah, he's a sharp one.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
if you watch Fox "news" today? they are trying to make it look like McCain went to washington and saved the day...
CNN reporting McCain says debate is back on, his having realized he's really not needed in D.C.

quick study, huh?

I have to disagree.

McCain thinks, actually thinks, his trip to D.C. helped and he knows it got his name in the news for hours and hours (and best of all, alone, i.e., without Palin).
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
I doubt it, beedge. I imagine the big shoes in the party convinced him one way or another that he was getting in the way. True, they may have used "face-saving" language...but they convinced him to get his azz back on the campaign trail, back in the debate, instead of mucking things up with his rambling, which the finance boys do *not* want to hear.
 
Posted by bond006 on :
 
Congrats you are getting to see the real McCain in action.

Do nothing filp flop and taking all the credit.

And his sucess story get of you lazy asss and hook up with a rich women.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Republican Concerns About Palin Grow
By Alexander Burns and David Paul Kuhn, Politico.com (Sept. 26) -

A growing number of Republicans are expressing concern about Sarah Palin’s uneven — and sometimes downright awkward — performances in her limited media appearances.
Conservative columnist Kathleen Parker, a former Palin supporter, says the vice presidential nominee should step aside. Kathryn Jean Lopez, writing for the conservative National Review, says “that’s not a crazy suggestion” and that “something’s gotta change.”

Tony Fabrizio, a GOP strategist, says Palin’s recent CBS appearance isn’t disqualifying but is certainly alarming. “You can’t continue to have interviews like that and not take on water.”
“I have not been blown away by the interviews from her, but at the same time, I haven’t come away from them thinking she doesn’t know s—t,” said Chris Lacivita, a GOP strategist. “But she ain’t Dick Cheney, nor Joe Biden and definitely not Hillary Clinton.”
There is no doubt that Palin retains a tremendous amount of support among rank-and-file Republicans. She draws huge crowds, continues to raise a lot of money for the McCain campaign, and state parties report she has sparked an uptick in the number of volunteers.
Asked about Palin's performance in the CBS interview, a McCain official briefing reporters on condition of anonymity said: "She did fine. She's a tremendous asset and a fantastic candidate."
But there is also no doubt many Republican insiders are worried she could blow next week’s debate, based on her unexpectedly weak and unsteady media appearances, and hurt the Republican ticket if she does.
Speaking this week with CBS’s Katie Couric, Palin seemed caught off-guard by a very predictable question about the status of McCain adviser Rick Davis’ relationship with mortgage lender Freddie Mac. Davis was accused by several news outlets of retaining ties — and profiting from — the companies despite his denials.

Where a more experienced politician might have been able to brush off Couric’s follow-up question, Palin seemed genuinely stumped, repeating the same answer twice and resorting to boilerplate language about the “undue influence of lobbyists.”
These missteps could be attributed to inadequate preparation and don’t necessarily reflect more deeply on Palin’s ability to perform as vice president. But when reporters have tried to probe Palin’s thinking on subjects such as foreign policy, she’s been similarly opaque.
In an interview with ABC’s Charlie Gibson, Palin gave a muddled answer to a question about her opinion of the Bush Doctrine.
And given the chance to describe her foreign policy credentials more fully, Palin recited familiar talking points, telling Gibson that her experience with energy policy was sufficient preparation for dealing with national security issues.
In the same interview, Palin let Gibson lead her into saying it might be necessary to wage war on Russia — a suggestion that most candidates would have avoided making explicitly and that signaled her discomfort in discussing global affairs.
Then, asked this week by Couric to discuss her knowledge of foreign relations — in particular, her assertion that Alaska’s proximity to Russia gave her international experience — Palin tripped herself up explaining her interactions with Alaska’s neighbor to the west.
Palin has avoided taking clear stances. In a largely friendly interview with Fox News Channel’s Sean Hannity, Palin spoke in tangled generalities in response to a question about a possible Wall Street bailout — and even preempted her campaign by coming out against it.
On Thursday, Palin finally took questions from her traveling press — but shut things down quickly after Politico’s Kenneth P. Vogel asked her whether she would support Alaska Sen. Ted Stevens, who has been indicted for corruption, and Rep. Don Young, who is under federal investigation, for reelection.
Unlike her other interviews, at least this time Palin had the option to walk away.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
I have to post this.. This is right on the money


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kiW0S-LJvI&feature=related
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
LOL...
here's some other quotes:

interview with ABC's Charles Gibson:

We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.... It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries.

at Ground Zero:

The mission is to take the fight over there, do not let them come over here and attempt again what they have accomplished here, and that was some destruction, terrible destruction on that day. But since Sept. 11, Americans uniting and rebuilding and committing to never letting that happen again.

 
Posted by glassman on :
 
apparently McCain took credit for getting the bailout passed this morning... just before the bailout didn't pass... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jordanreed:
I have to post this.. This is right on the money


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kiW0S-LJvI&feature=related

omg Palin sounded so horrible in that
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
and you wonder why she gets attacked lol has little to do with sexism and everything to do with what she says...
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
It's certainly true that she's not a slick talking politician like Osama Obama, or McPain, or Biden. That's exactly what I like about her!
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
its got nothing to do with her being slick-talking or not! its got everything to do with her not being bright enough to do the job . I know you realize that,too. You just like being contrary. your cover has been blown, PMS.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
It's certainly true that she's not a slick talking politician like Osama Obama, or McPain, or Biden. That's exactly what I like about her!

isn't that what you liked about Bush too?
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
She could be smarter than dubya, but it doesn't show.
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
LOL...
here's some other quotes:

interview with ABC's Charles Gibson:

We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it's in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.... It doesn't have to lead to war and it doesn't have to lead, as I said, to a Cold War, but economic sanctions, diplomatic pressure, again, counting on our allies to help us do that in this mission of keeping our eye on Russia and Putin and some of his desire to control and to control much more than smaller democratic countries.

at Ground Zero:

The mission is to take the fight over there, do not let them come over here and attempt again what they have accomplished here, and that was some destruction, terrible destruction on that day. But since Sept. 11, Americans uniting and rebuilding and committing to never letting that happen again.

So what's wrong with these quotes? Sounds like she's mastered the art of talking and not saying anything.....just like all the other candidates.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
it actually sounds to me like she thinks in a foreign language and has to translate in her head...

yet we know she is an English language speaker
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
it actually sounds to me like she thinks in a foreign language and has to translate in her head...

yet we know she is an English language speaker

LOL Hey we're not suppose to understand them....circles talk in circles.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
LOL lock, that's just wrong...

if she was the Yup'ik instead of her husband? i'd understand...

maybe she's a russkie plant? what was that movie?
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
I doubt she's a russkie plant...you'd have to be brainwashed for that. Just kidding of course.
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
whats sad is that people have excepted her so readily as a viable candidate. it shows what low expectations our people have in their representatives. window dressing accounts for alot, I guess
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
I doubt she's a russkie plant...you'd have to be brainwashed for that. Just kidding of course.

are you suggesting she has a dirty mind? [Big Grin]


now that i think about it? some people did accuse Mcain of being balckmailed by the KGB over stuff that happened in the Hanoi Hilton... i guess i better get out my tin-foil hat before we go any further in THIS discussion... [Eek!]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
lol-effin-l...

i just realized, watching some clip with Couric, Sarah talks like............

====>

SHIRLEY TEMPLE!

Jiminy CHRISTMAS...all she's missing is the twisting finger into the plump, dimpled cheek...
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Obviously u haven't watched the Tina Fey impersonations of Palin Tex lol she makes fun of the Shirley Temple angle.. with her voice...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
oh...no, I heard where she quoted Palin smack-dab verbatim on the Alaska-Putin "rears his head" dealie. Too funny...
 
Posted by Lockman on :
 
What a selection we have Palin lookin like she knows nothing and Biden who thinks FDR was making speeches on TV in 1929.

Gonna be a comidians wet dream on thursday.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Lockman:
What a selection we have Palin lookin like she knows nothing and Biden who thinks FDR was making speeches on TV in 1929.

Gonna be a comidians wet dream on thursday.

1927
Bell Telephone and the U.S. Department of Commerce conduct the first long distance use of television that took place between Washington D.C. and New York City on April 9th. Secretary of Commerce Herbert Hoover commented, “Today we have, in a sense, the transmission of sight for the first time in the world’s history. Human genius has now destroyed the impediment of distance in a new respect, and in a manner hitherto unknown.”

1928
The Federal Radio Commission issues the first television station license (W3XK) to Charles Jenkins.

 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Hoover was the president in '29, but but FDR was the first president to give a TV broadcast... it just went out to the ultra-wealthy tho...

there are claims that (then) Governor Roosevelt did give a speech in 29 on TV.... it just wasn't on any networks we now have...
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y

at least bush is smart enough to tell a lie...probably a bad lie, but good enough to fool some people....Bush would have been like....Ummmm U.S.A. Today or the Washington Journal.....even though he reads comic books in his office.

Sarah Palin Can't Name a Newspaper She Reads

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkWebP2Q0Y
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
That FDR gave among the very first tv speaches was a part of the Discovery tv show on the development of radio and tv, which has aired several times in the last several years and it has been noted regularly in other places.

To tell the truth, I thought it was enough in the public consciousness that ......


I won't finish that.
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
CNN Laughs It Up Over Sarah Palin Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMypXCUWMw

Oh my this is a first.....a parody that makes fun of someone that is 100% acurate!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeMypXCUWMw
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
Palin On Foreign Policy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nokTjEdaUGg

I'd rather keep bush than have this retard any where near the white house!!!
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
This is mind boggleing....I love the ending though

Sarah Palin Interview with CBS News' Katie Couric- Day 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP12aNzocSc
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
Sarah Mania! Sarah Palin's Greatest Hits

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E&feature=user
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
LOL Ace, you're just trying to lower expectations so she can't lose in the debate tomorrow...

expectations haven't been this low since Quayle...
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
LOL Ace, you're just trying to lower expectations so she can't lose in the debate tomorrow...

expectations haven't been this low since Quayle...

That's funny that you said that....me and my friend were just talking about What would be considered a success or a win for Palin and the Republicans tommorow at the VP debate......and I said All Palin has to do is not totaly make a fool of herself or bomb...and Mcain should consider it a success.

But in all honesty....I think Miss Teen South Carolina would do better than Palin...Plus she is even more younger and prettier.....you be the judge!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
LOL Ace, you're just trying to lower expectations so she can't lose in the debate tomorrow...

expectations haven't been this low since Quayle...

That's funny that you said that....me and my friend were just talking about What would be considered a success or a win for Palin and the Republicans tommorow at the VP debate......and I said All Palin has to do is not totaly make a fool of herself or bomb...and Mcain should consider it a success.

But in all honesty....I think Miss Teen South Carolina would do better than Palin...Plus she is even more younger and prettier.....you be the judge!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww

Yeah, true, Ace, but there is a rumor that Palin is a might kinky. That'll be a match for youth any time.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
now she' saying she represents "six pack joe" whoever he is
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
My goodness....I watched the interview where Palin couldnt even name another supreme court case besides Roe vs wade. Not only that when asked what she reads daily she couldnt even NAME anything. If you dont read anything then lie about it to save face!

I myself read print and online like WSJ, INC, drudge, multiple political ****s, local paper, etc

She cant even come up with something like that?


She sure lost her fizzle from her opening night. I still think she is one hot fox though.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
“Oh, I think they’re [critics] just not used to someone coming in from the outside saying you know what? It’s time that a normal Joe Six-Pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency, and I think that that’s kind of taken some people off guard, and they’re out of sorts, and they’re ticked off about it,” she said.

i think that seals it... we just had a president people wanted to have a beer with...

i could never figure out why anybody would want to have a beer with him tho... he doesn't drink anyway...


“Well, I have a degree in journalism also, so it surprises me that so much has changed since I received my education in journalistic ethics all those years ago,” Palin explained. “But I’m not going to pick a fight with those who buy ink by the barrelful. I’m going to take those shots and those pop quizzes and just say that’s okay, those are good testing grounds. And they can continue on in that mode. That’s good. That makes somebody work even harder. It makes somebody be even clearer and more articulate in their positions. So really I don’t fight it. I invite it.”

LOL.... she should write for SNL... oh wait... she does doesn't she?
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
My goodness....I watched the interview where Palin couldnt even name another supreme court case besides Roe vs wade. Not only that when asked what she reads daily she couldnt even NAME anything. If you dont read anything then lie about it to save face!

I myself read print and online like WSJ, INC, drudge, multiple political ****s, local paper, etc

She cant even come up with something like that?


She sure lost her fizzle from her opening night. I still think she is one hot fox though.

Still questioning us why we and others attack her CCM?
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I just said give the lady a break and a chance, and so she is now showing many things.

Everyone deserves a chance to speak over time. The only reason so many people on here were attacking here like sharks was because she is "a big bad evil republican"
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
I just said give the lady a break and a chance, and so she is now showing many things.

Everyone deserves a chance to speak over time. The only reason so many people on here were attacking here like sharks was because she is "a big bad evil republican"

Your're right!!! But now we have some cold hard facts and several Multimedia & video clips to back up our comments about her at the beggining of this thread. There wasn't much documented interviews or statements from her until the recent days.

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

It's amazing how just a few days can change a whole campaign....Let's see what tommorow's VP debate brings!! [Eek!]
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
The only reason so many people on here were attacking here like sharks was because she is "a big bad evil republican"

We'll, she is lol Just an inexperienced dumb one with a great ass. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
Matt Damon makes some good points....

Matt Damon Rips Sarah Palin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6urw_PWHYk

The Sarah Palin Way | Bill Maher | September 19, 2008

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTXUmDz8hao
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
now she' saying she represents "six pack joe" whoever he is

He's the guy who can't quite afford the 12-pack....LOL
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
now she' saying she represents "six pack joe" whoever he is

He's the guy who can't quite afford the 12-pack....LOL
No more like the guy who buys a six-pack everyday because he can't figure out that it's cheaper to buy the 12, 18 or 20 pack because he's lacking the fundamental skill of deduction.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
I just can't get past the idiocy of McBush selecting this numbskull as a running mate! Read the following article, she is truly clueless!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/21/palin.sitroom/index.html
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
"That one" is still trying to win that elusive beauty contest that got away.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
It's almost as if she has no clue how the government works. Other than abusing her Governor powers and the RNC having to spend $150K for her dresses and make-up, she's clueless.

Palin takes heat for saying VP 'in charge' of the Senate
Posted: 02:14 PM ET

From CNN Ticker Producer Alexander Mooney

Watch Palin's comments on KUSA Wednesday.

(CNN) – Sarah Palin is taking heat Wednesday for appearing to overstate the role of vice president, saying in a recent interview that she would be "in charge of the Senate" should John McCain win the White House.

The comments came in an interview with Colorado TV station KUSA in response to a third-grader's question, "What does the Vice President do?”

"[T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom," she said.

The comments have drawn criticism from Democrats and liberal ****s which note the actual role of the vice president when it comes to the Senate is simply to cast a tie-breaking vote in the event of a stalemate. According to Article I of the U.S. Constitution, the vice president is the "President" of the Senate, but has no executive position when it comes to presiding over the chamber.

Donald Ritchie, a historian in the Senate Historical Office told CNN that Palin's comment was an "overstatement" of what her role would be.

"The vice president is the ceremonial officer of the Senate and has certain ceremonial functions including swearing in new senators and can vote to break a tie," he said. "It’s a relatively limited role. It's evolved into a neutral presiding officer of the Senate.

Ritchie also noted recent vice presidents have played a behind-the-scenes lobbying role on Capitol Hill for an administration's policies, but called it "somewhat limited."
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
No different than John Edwards and his $400 haircuts. Seriously...400 bucks for a HAIRCUT people.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
No different than John Edwards and his $400 haircuts. Seriously...400 bucks for a HAIRCUT people.

I would say there is a tad bit of a differnce between $400 and $150k. Again what is with Republicans and the fuzzy math that fails to discern $149,600 in difference between the two?
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
No different than John Edwards and his $400 haircuts. Seriously...400 bucks for a HAIRCUT people.

It's his money no? ... and if so then he can spend it however he likes... don't you with your money? ...
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/07/05/politics/main3019277.shtml
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Pagan:
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
No different than John Edwards and his $400 haircuts. Seriously...400 bucks for a HAIRCUT people.

I would say there is a tad bit of a differnce between $400 and $150k. Again what is with Republicans and the fuzzy math that fails to discern $149,600 in difference between the two?
The $400 was out of the pocket of no one but Edwards.

The $150K that Palin spent was out of money contributed by the public for the campaign, essentially public non-taxable funds. (And now she wants to Keep the loot, tax free.)
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
what i find amusing is that the GOP dressed her up at Neiman marcus instead of old navy...

she's supposed to be appealing to Joe six-pack not Don Perignon.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
what i find amusing is that the GOP dressed her up at Neiman marcus instead of old navy...

she's supposed to be appealing to Joe six-pack not Don Perignon.

hahaha
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Well, I suppose she should have enough clothes already being gov. of Alaska. Personally I would like to see her shopping at Victorias Secret
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
I guess when Herters turned belly up years back, that left Abercrombie & Fitch about the only suitable place for upper class moose hunting girls.

McCain probably thought he didn't have to lower himself to what he thought of as a low rent business for the common person and sent her to Neimans
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
Another gem from Palin. A wing and a prayer...that's the way to win an election!


Palin says election result rests in God's hands
By ERIC GORSKI – 4 hours ago

DENVER (AP) — Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin describes herself as a "hard-core pro-lifer" and expresses confidence that in spite of disheartening polls, "putting this in God's hands, that the right thing for America will be done at the end of the day on Nov. 4."

In an interview with evangelical leader James Dobson that aired Wednesday, Palin said she thought Republican presidential candidate John McCain would implement the GOP platform if elected — "I do, from the bottom of my heart" — but McCain doesn't support the platform on three issues important to evangelicals: abortion, gay marriage and embryonic stem cell research.

The platform calls for a constitutional ban on gay marriage, an issue McCain says should be left to individual states. Similarly, the platform seeks a constitutional ban on all abortions; again, McCain supports allowing states to decide the question. McCain supports research using embryonic stem cells, which the platform opposes.

Palin called it a "strong platform" and told Dobson, "They are there, they are solid, we stand on them and, again, I believe that it is the right agenda for the country at this time."

The Alaska governor talked by phone with Dobson for about 20 minutes Monday while she was in Colorado campaigning. Dobson's Focus on the Family radio program aired the interview Wednesday.

Dobson asked whether Palin was discouraged by polls showing the GOP ticket behind.

"To me, it motivates us, makes us work that much harder," Palin said. "And it also strengthens my faith, because I'm going to know, at the end of the day, putting this in God's hands, that the right thing for America will be done at the end of the day on Nov. 4. So I'm not discouraged at all."

Palin has not focused on her faith on the campaign trail, but it clearly has energized evangelical leaders like Dobson, whose radio show reaches an estimated 1.5 million Americans daily.

Dobson has come around to supporting the McCain-Palin ticket after previously saying he could not in good conscience vote for McCain. He endorsed former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee late in the primaries.

Palin thanked Dobson and supporters for their prayers and — when Dobson inquired about the importance of faith in her life — said: "It is my foundation, yes, my Christian faith is."

She also used terms like "prayer warrior" and "intercession" — words that might be unknown to the average listener but are common vocabulary in Pentecostal Christianity. Palin spent 20 years in a Pentecostal Assemblies of God Church, but she usually refers to her faith generically as Christian, not even evangelical.

"It is that intercession that is so needed and so greatly appreciated," Palin told Dobson. "And I can feel it too, Dr. Dobson. I can feel the power of prayer, and that strength that is provided through our prayer warriors across this nation."

She continued: "When we hear along the rope lines that people are interceding for us and praying for us, it's our reminder to do the same, to put this all in God's hands, to seek his perfect will for this nation, and to of course seek his wisdom and guidance in putting this nation back on the right track."

Describing herself as a "hard-core pro-lifer," Palin said the birth of a son with Down syndrome was "this opportunity for me to really be walking the walk and not just talking the talk. There's purpose in this also and for a greater good to be met there."

Palin said the campaign had to have faith that its message will be heard "minus the filter of the mainstream media."

"That filter has to be erased," she said. "So we have to have faith in the wisdom of the people that they'll understand what our message is. But even bigger that then, I have to have that faith that God is going to help us get that message out there."
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
wow!..the stupidity is astounding!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
it sounds like she's saying that if she loses? it will be God's fault [Confused]
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
You mean it ain't?
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
Here's a scenario no one has mentioned that I recall...

But if by a miracle McCain won the election and became President and if he died in office... now correct me if I am wrong but Palin would move up and be President and the VP would be Pelosi?... two women (not that gender should matter) would be the top two positions... and two women that I am going to guess hate each other? ... lol
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
wow!..the stupidity is astounding!
Jordan, I agree! I can't believe how stupid all the atheists sound! Not to worry, I'm sure that Sarah is praying for them too! They need it.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
wow!..the stupidity is astounding!
Jordan, I agree! I can't believe how stupid all the atheists sound! Not to worry, I'm sure that Sarah is praying for them too! They need it.
Everyone thought "I can't believe how stupid" he is, even laughed aloud at him and made jokes about it and bragged about how much smarter they were than him. The priest were particularly bad about that.

Even today, after most of the world has accepted Pasteur's explanation that most illness is cause by life forms so tiny they are invisible to the naked eye, there are fools and entire religious sects that teach otherwise and maintain he was stupid to say it is true. Because they were blind they called him stupid.

They had done essentially the same thing to Galileo and Kepler. Those are just three cases. History is replete with examples of the truth being denied by the ignorant (usually religious) because they were too ignorant to "see" a truth.

You are the stupid one, to keep on insisting that what is not visible to you is stupid or false because you can't see it.

And you eagerly manage to be both crude and rude as you do so. There is no grace in your demeanor. None at all. And no generosity either.

Any milk of human kindness you ever had, you let spoil. So be it. That was your choice. You have to live with it. But must you constantly be tossing the rot you made of it on anyone that doesn't march in lock step with your narrow minded backward and hateful attitudes? The world hasn't done anything to you that it deserves that.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
Here's a scenario no one has mentioned that I recall...

But if by a miracle McCain won the election and became President and if he died in office... now correct me if I am wrong but Palin would move up and be President and the VP would be Pelosi?... two women (not that gender should matter) would be the top two positions... and two women that I am going to guess hate each other? ... lol

no, the White House would select a replacement, and the House of Representaitves would vote on it...
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
You are the stupid one, to keep on insisting that what is not visible to you is stupid or false because you can't see it.
I haven't said anything of the kind. In fact, it was you that has gotten on this "invisible" tangent, which is just more silly gibberish from the King of Gibberish.
 
Posted by Pagan on :
 
Actually both the Senate and House of Reps and to vote on the nominee according to Amendment 25. See below:

Amendment 25 (1967)

Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

Section 3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

Section 4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
You are the stupid one, to keep on insisting that what is not visible to you is stupid or false because you can't see it.
I haven't said anything of the kind. In fact, it was you that has gotten on this "invisible" tangent, which is just more silly gibberish from the King of Gibberish.
It is invisible to you, oh ARROGANT ONE, not to everyone else.

You are really too simple to understand, which makes almost everything that isn't blunt and obnoxious unavailable to you and, and, thus, to your limited consciousness, appear as gibberish.

To you, trying to interpret what is out there in the world is like listening to a reading of brilliantly beautiful blank verse poetry in a language you are not familiar with and don't speak. No doubt, it is just so much gibberish to such a limited mind. But that lack of your's does not make the poetry or the readinr be what is worthless, it points directly to a lack on your part.
 
Posted by urnso77 on :
 
I demand that Palin stop wearing clothes! effective immediately!

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by urnso77:
I demand that Palin stop wearing clothes! effective immediately!

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Works for me...
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
what i find amusing is that the GOP dressed her up at Neiman marcus instead of old navy...

she's supposed to be appealing to Joe six-pack not Don Perignon.

Yeah true, but have you seen the multi-million dollar event being planned in Chicago for Obama on election night? Does anyone not think that is taking it too far? The pulpit Obama had contructed at the DNC convention in Denver im sure was not that cheap either. If they wanted to get into a match over that I think both sides spend large amounts on questionable spending.

This is just really a clear bias of media coverage.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
cow,

Buying clothes for candidates is specifically not allowed in the law. There is no such restriction in the halls in which parfties meet or places where speeches are made.

Any way, what you refer to as, "The pulpit Obama had contructed at the DNC convention in Denver", was,

first of all, not terribly different from the one where Palin spoke at the republican's shindig and,

second, contrary to what you CLAIM, that structure was not designed, constructed, or ordered by Obama.

Your dishonest bigoted bias is insulting.

It is you that it biased, not the media.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Dress up a pig and you still have a pig
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by retiredat49:
quote:
Originally posted by urnso77:
I demand that Palin stop wearing clothes! effective immediately!

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Works for me...
...and this is the only reason why she is considered, viable, as a candidate....cuz she appeals to base instincts...

you have one helll of a pathetic party.  -
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
cow,

Buying clothes for candidates is specifically not allowed in the law. There is no such restriction in the halls in which parfties meet or places where speeches are made.

Any way, what you refer to as, "The pulpit Obama had contructed at the DNC convention in Denver", was,

first of all, not terribly different from the one where Palin spoke at the republican's shindig and,

second, contrary to what you CLAIM, that structure was not designed, constructed, or ordered by Obama.

Your dishonest bigoted bias is insulting.

It is you that it biased, not the media.

This is why nobody can take your arguments seriously bdgee. Anytime someone questions Obama you call them a bigot. Ge the fk out of here with that already you try to insert the race bait and card any chance you can because it is an effective tool to get people to back down because of the hysteria that follows it. You are not a true debater, you are a crybaby liberal and a loud one at that. You are nowhere near moderation as you only see black and white. OOPS did I say black and white? Uh oh that must mean a racial thing...forgive me I forgot im such the bigot!


For as smart as you want everyone here to think you are you sure do a good job of making yourself look like an idiot.


BTW saying the media is NOT biased is so far out of reality only you could post it here. You must not think Fox News is biased...although you have said so many times here that it is. MSNBC is strongly biased for Obama, and to say otherwise is pure ignorance!
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
Here is what is out of touch with America.

http://sayanything****.com/entry/obama_campaign_spending_293000_an_hour_in_octob er/


Obama Campaign Spending $293,000 An Hour In October. AN HOUR PEOPLE...


Oh yes I do remember Obama flip-flopping on the campaign funding issue. Saying one thing, and then doing the other. He has done this on off shore drilling as well, oh yeah ayers flip flop on info on his "fight the smears" section on the website. Obama sure does change the story.
 
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Here is what is out of touch with America.

http://sayanything****.com/entry/obama_campaign_spending_293000_an_hour_in_octob er/


Obama Campaign Spending $293,000 An Hour In October. AN HOUR PEOPLE...


Oh yes I do remember Obama flip-flopping on the campaign funding issue. Saying one thing, and then doing the other. He has done this on off shore drilling as well, oh yeah ayers flip flop on info on his "fight the smears" section on the website. Obama sure does change the story.

If Mccain was able to raise the same amount of money as Obama...do you think he would have stuck to the Public Money Promise...????

Give me a break!!! [BadOne]

Mccain and Mccain supporters are haters...and just jellous...thats it!!!
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
McCain could have not through individual contributions, but by larger donors.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
quote:
Originally posted by bdgee:
cow,

Buying clothes for candidates is specifically not allowed in the law. There is no such restriction in the halls in which parfties meet or places where speeches are made.

Any way, what you refer to as, "The pulpit Obama had contructed at the DNC convention in Denver", was,

first of all, not terribly different from the one where Palin spoke at the republican's shindig and,

second, contrary to what you CLAIM, that structure was not designed, constructed, or ordered by Obama.

Your dishonest bigoted bias is insulting.

It is you that it biased, not the media.

This is why nobody can take your arguments seriously bdgee. Anytime someone questions Obama you call them a bigot. Ge the fk out of here with that already you try to insert the race bait and card any chance you can because it is an effective tool to get people to back down because of the hysteria that follows it. You are not a true debater, you are a crybaby liberal and a loud one at that. You are nowhere near moderation as you only see black and white. OOPS did I say black and white? Uh oh that must mean a racial thing...forgive me I forgot im such the bigot!


For as smart as you want everyone here to think you are you sure do a good job of making yourself look like an idiot.


BTW saying the media is NOT biased is so far out of reality only you could post it here. You must not think Fox News is biased...although you have said so many times here that it is. MSNBC is strongly biased for Obama, and to say otherwise is pure ignorance!

You are a bigot. And a liar.

I don't consider Fox News to be part of the media. They act on directions from the RNC.

I am not alone in my opinion, but with the overwhelming part of the people in that opinion.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
bdgee, YOU sir....are a bigot
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Here is what is out of touch with America.

http://sayanything****.com/entry/obama_campaign_spending_293000_an_hour_in_octob er/


Obama Campaign Spending $293,000 An Hour In October. AN HOUR PEOPLE...


Oh yes I do remember Obama flip-flopping on the campaign funding issue. Saying one thing, and then doing the other. He has done this on off shore drilling as well, oh yeah ayers flip flop on info on his "fight the smears" section on the website. Obama sure does change the story.

As opposed to Bush and the GOP spending of $12 billion per month approxiamately in Iraq? [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
bdgee, YOU sir....are a bigot

Yes, I cannot stand hateful lying bigoted republicans.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Machiavelli:
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Here is what is out of touch with America.

http://sayanything****.com/entry/obama_campaign_spending_293000_an_hour_in_octob er/


Obama Campaign Spending $293,000 An Hour In October. AN HOUR PEOPLE...


Oh yes I do remember Obama flip-flopping on the campaign funding issue. Saying one thing, and then doing the other. He has done this on off shore drilling as well, oh yeah ayers flip flop on info on his "fight the smears" section on the website. Obama sure does change the story.

As opposed to Bush and the GOP spending of $12 billion per month approxiamately in Iraq? [Roll Eyes]
Hey I never said I supported Bush lets get that clear. I am talking about the CURRENT Presidential campaign.
 
Posted by raybond on :
 
Good for Obama if McCain can't raise the money and has to go to the old republican government hand out route thats tough Obama realized it was a bad move for him so he changed directions.

ALL i hear is the whinning of McCain saying its not fair.

If thats all he's got were don't need him for a president.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Back when the selection of Obama was made clear, McCain refused to arrange to talk with Obama to discuss the acceptance of taking federal money for the campaigns and refused for weeks to say that he would or wouldn't do so (because he wouldn't talk with any enemy without setting preconditions?).

In truth, which cow and the rest of the republican liars ignore, OBAMA NEVER SAID HE WOULD PARTICIPATE IN THE FEDERAL PROGRAM FOR FINANCING THE ELECTION CAMPAIGNS, only that he would discuss that with the republican nominee.

McCain refused to either agree to such a discussion or to accept the Federal financing, so Obama decided not to. The lying was from McCain, not Obama.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Here is what is out of touch with America.

http://sayanything****.com/entry/obama_campaign_spending_293000_an_hour_in_octob er/


Obama Campaign Spending $293,000 An Hour In October. AN HOUR PEOPLE...


Oh yes I do remember Obama flip-flopping on the campaign funding issue. Saying one thing, and then doing the other. He has done this on off shore drilling as well, oh yeah ayers flip flop on info on his "fight the smears" section on the website. Obama sure does change the story.


The whole issue of a candidate Flip Flopping, IMO, is crazy. Think about it. We are in a war in Iraq because Leadership wouldn't "Flip Flop, in spite of evidence that should have been considered.

I believe changing a position due to new information is a sign of maturity. I don't believe everything I once believed as a young man. Why? Because new information and experience has changed my mind. It's called growing up. If you look at McCain he is a much different candidate today than he was 1 yr ago. People, especially leaders need to adapt to situations. The failure to adapt and in a sense have blinders on, is usually what gets us into trouble.
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
We should have never gone into Iraq in the first place, and that is one of the few things I DO agree with Obama on. It is time for that countrys government to step up and take control of their own damn country and work things out.
 
Posted by Machiavelli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CashCowMoo:
Hey I never said I supported Bush lets get that clear. I am talking about the CURRENT Presidential campaign.

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't the GOP who helped Bush get and spend that $12 billion per month?... Bush couldn't do it alone... by the way what party does McCain belong to? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by CashCowMoo on :
 
I thought this was an individual thing not a party grouping. Anyone who blames one party for everything, and can not understand that this is a two way street is not worth debating. Its like arguing with an idiot.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
"Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Sarah Palin undress clothes critics as GOP VP candidate dumps fancy wardrobe

By MICHAEL SAUL
DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

Sunday, October 26th 2008, 10:07 PM


Elisabeth Hasselbeck, Sarah Palin undress clothes critics as GOP VP candidate dumps fancy wardrobe

By MICHAEL SAUL
DAILY NEWS POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT

Sunday, October 26th 2008, 10:07 PM
Stroshane/Getty


TAMPA - Case clothed? Not yet.

Sarah Palin and guest campaigner Elisabeth Hasselbeck from "The View" denounced chatter about Palin's $150,000 wardrobe Sunday as a sexist diversion from the nation's problems.

But just nine days before Election Day, the GOP vice presidential nominee took a detour from her stump speech to argue at length that she's more at home in the bargain bins. She even itemized her accessories.
RELATED: DEFIANT McCAIN VOWS VICTORY

Hasselbeck, the conservative co-host on the ABC daytime talk show, introduced Palin yesterday and kicked off the garment gab-fest by calling the clothes carping "deliberately sexist."

Then it was Palin's turn. "I'm glad now that Elisabeth brought it up, because it gives me an opportunity without the filter of the media to get to tell you the whole clothes thing," Palin said.

"Those clothes, they are not my property, just like the lighting and the staging and everything else that the RNC [Republican National Committee] purchased," Palin told the crowd of 5,000. "I'm not taking 'em with me. I'm back to wearing my own clothes from my favorite consignment shop in Anchorage, Alaska."

She complained about having to even discuss the issue, suggesting there's a "double standard" for women.
LUPICA: HEY, THERE ARE AMERICAN HEROES IN NYC, TOO

But then, one by one, Palin pointed to her unheralded fashion accessories, suggesting they better reflected her true identity, including:

*
Beaded earrings from her mother-in-law, who she noted was a Yupik Eskimo.
*
A $35 wedding ring that she bought herself. Palin said she's happy to wear the inexpensive band from Hawaii because, "It's not what it's made of, it's what it represents."
*
A blue-star pin in honor of her son Track, a soldier deployed in Iraq.

It was the second day in a row that Palin pointed to clothes that were her own, not those the RNC provided for her early last month after John McCain put her on the ticket.
GOODWIN: OBAMA IS WAY TOO LIBERAL

When news of the $150,000 spree first broke, campaign officials went into stonewall mode, refusing to discuss a "strategic decision" on RNC spending.

But Palin has complained loud-ly as of late that her side of the story did not get out. Her increasing outspokenness comes amid reports she believes campaign officials have mishandled her, hurting her image as a "hockey mom" who can relate to everyday Americans.

On NBC's "Meet the Press" yesterday, McCain said Palin "lives a frugal life." He and several campaign aides said a third of the clothes have already been returned and the rest will be donated to charity.
"

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/10/26/2008-10-26_elisabeth_hasselb eck_sarah_palin_undress-3.html

Edwards $400 haircut was not considered sexist but $150K spent on cleaning up a Pit Bull is sexist. Hmm, Some say that she can do no right because of personal bias but in reality she does so much wrong, no one needs a bias.

To think this is the same woman that said Hillary shouldn't "whine" about tough media coverage.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1807272/palin_clinton_shouldnt_whine_about_tough_m edia_coverage/
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
Sexist my, hind end. It's just the normal media concern with what is a relatively unknown.

Imagine the uproar if either Bill or Hillary had been given $150K worth of clothes. The democrats wouldn't be saying it's off limits because it's sexist and the GOP would be thrilled to call it graft.

More importantly, buying clothes, whether $1.50 used tie or a $150K allotment of high fashion duds is strictly, by specific statement, prohibited, by law:

From The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, McCain–Feingold Act :

"SEC. 313. USE OF CONTRIBUTED AMOUNTS FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES
(b) PROHIBITED USE

(1) IN GENERAL.-A contribution or donation described in subsection (a) shall not be converted by any person to personal use.

(2) CONVERSION.-For the purposes of paragraph (1), a contribution or donation shall be considered to be converted to personal use if the contribution or amount is used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate's election campaign or individual's duties as a holder of Federal office, including-
...
(B) a clothing purchase;
..."

And don't try to get me to believe they didn't know it was illegal or that it was a mistake, because it is the one most bragged about voluntary effort of John McCain, by him and by the republican party, ever as a public servant!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
she got caught with her pantsuit down...
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
YOU WISH!
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
From The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, McCain–Feingold Act :

"SEC. 313. USE OF CONTRIBUTED AMOUNTS FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES
(b) PROHIBITED USE

(1) IN GENERAL.-A contribution or donation described in subsection (a) shall not be converted by any person to personal use.

(2) CONVERSION.-For the purposes of paragraph (1), a contribution or donation shall be considered to be converted to personal use if the contribution or amount is used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate's election campaign or individual's duties as a holder of Federal office, including-
...
(B) a clothing purchase;
..."

If you would do even a LITTLE research into any issue, you might learn the truth. Buying clothes for Sarah Palin to wear was NOT illegal or a violation of the McCain-Feingold Act because the clothes do not belong to her. The RNC purchased the clothes and will be donating the proceeds of the sale/auction of the clothes to charity after the campaign.

More reading, less gibberish is the recipe for being accurate.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
The RNC purchased the clothes and will be donating the proceeds of the sale/auction of the clothes to charity after the campaign.

LOL... after they got caught [Wink]

can't donate or auction used underwear... OMG... i guess there's a few people that would actually pay more (for a "good conservative cause" i'm sure)
 
Posted by Propertymanager on :
 
quote:
can't donate or auction used underwear... OMG... i guess there's a few people that would actually pay more (for a "good conservative cause" i'm sure)
She probably had her own underwear.
 
Posted by bdgee on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Propertymanager:
quote:
From The Bipartisan Campaign Reform Act of 2002, McCain–Feingold Act :

"SEC. 313. USE OF CONTRIBUTED AMOUNTS FOR CERTAIN PURPOSES
(b) PROHIBITED USE

(1) IN GENERAL.-A contribution or donation described in subsection (a) shall not be converted by any person to personal use.

(2) CONVERSION.-For the purposes of paragraph (1), a contribution or donation shall be considered to be converted to personal use if the contribution or amount is used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate's election campaign or individual's duties as a holder of Federal office, including-
...
(B) a clothing purchase;
..."

If you would do even a LITTLE research into any issue, you might learn the truth. Buying clothes for Sarah Palin to wear was NOT illegal or a violation of the McCain-Feingold Act because the clothes do not belong to her. The RNC purchased the clothes and will be donating the proceeds of the sale/auction of the clothes to charity after the campaign.

More reading, less gibberish is the recipe for being accurate.

I don't need to "do even a LITTLE research into [the] issue", as I have done so.

You need to bother to read the law rather than quote Fat Rush, the Doper, on the issue.

As stated in the law:

"a contribution or donation shall be considered to be converted to personal use if the contribution or amount is used to fulfill any commitment, obligation, or expense of a person that would exist irrespective of the candidate's election campaign".

Wearing clothes is not something that comes about because you are a candidate in a campaign. It is a legal responsibility (in most states, provided there is a reasonable expectation that some minor may see the person, which, of course, is a given if yoiu are going to make speeches in public) in or not in a political campaign and wearing clothes paid for by the RNC amounts to accepting the value of them while she was wearing them for personal use. So doing so "fullfill[s] [a] commitment, obligation, or expense of [Sarah Palin] that exists irrespective of [her] election campaign".

Thus, it amounts to a "contribution" as defined by the law in question, and is illegal.

Indeed, you need to do "More reading" and spout "less gibberish" for any hope of "being accurate".
 


© 1997 - 2021 Allstocks.com. All rights reserved.

Powered by Infopop Corporation
UBB.classic™ 6.7.2