I hope you get this but.. please dont stop posting. If you do, please add me to the PM list or email me. You have that still right?
You are one of the half a dozen reasons why I come to this board at all anymore. There are a number of individuals here that brought me to the point that I could either start responding with personal attacks or I could quit being an active member of this forum. I chose the latter.
I am still here and I still read things a few times a week, but I do so by skimming the names on the left and reading only those I care to pay attention to. Good or bad, I want it all, but I am tired of the flames, personal doom and gloom (and pumping) opimions, and I am completely over the posters that are here to save us all from ourselves. Even more amazing are the ones that admit they made potentially bad judgement calls and then brought their friends and family into it AND now feel they are qualified to speak with some authority on how and why we should or should not spend our money? Wtf?? Thats like asking a 5 times divorcee for marriage advice. Anyway, those self centered egotistical holier than thou self appointed saviours of the pink sheets types can kiss my royal white a**...
quote:Originally posted by polo1110: ... I don't want to be to hard on anyone, as we are all in this together.... You, for one, were all over me about it BL.... so I hope that we can give everyone's information and opinions a chance this time around. Many of us on here just want to help.
polo I respect your opinion, but I stand by my comments to GF ... I think he has criticized her unfairly, since she labels most of her comments as "opinion" and (to my knowledge) has not "lied" to us about Q.
And I think you also are criticizing her a bit unfairly. Please understand that I do not know her personally, so we both may be wrong about her. But until I catch her in a proven lie, I won't criticize her for what she says.
I'm just defending her right to express positive opinions. I've also supported Frank many times in the past when he did "questionable" things ... and my reason for doing so was simply because I didn't know the facts and wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. Right or wrong, I was trying to be fair and objective.
I've admitted many times that my opinions often turn out to be wrong. But I usually form my opinions based on the "facts" available at the time. In the absence of facts, I tend to think positively and accept what I see and hear as true. What I am saying now is based on what I "remember" about Jenn's posts over the last year, and I just don't remember her saying anything that was proven to be a deliberate lie ... overly optimistic maybe, but I also suffer from Obnoxious Positivity and can sympathize with her.
Anyway, "I don't want to be to hard on anyone" either, and I hope I have not been unfair to you in the past. If so, I apologize.
But I will continue to challenge any assumptions that are presented as fact. I try to use "court room" rules ... anything not supported by evidence is opinion and therefore should be treated as such.
As for Lloyd Fan: I hope he's the best thing since sliced bread ... the cream of the crop ... the ying to our yang ... Q's messiah.
And until proven wrong, I will "assume" he's all of the above. Just my opinion based on what I know today ... show me facts and I will adjust my opinion accordingly.
GL to us all. I just hope we have more going for us than luck.
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quote:Originally posted by milliam: Ad...you caught me typing.
Looks like from the suit that they actually got the first $50,000, so you can subtract that from the damages.
The unstated shares is really way out there. I don't blame them for trying to get something for them, but how do you put a price on that. Ha, maybe that's' where the other 4.75 mil comes from .
Milliam
It is call punative damages and loss of future income.
The claim is that Frank manipulated the shares for his own benefit leaving the common shareholders out in the cold which caused a price decline!
They were never awarded the additional shares, eventhough they are worthless. So the stock they were given is worthless as well.
Gotta give it to Frank, he is sly. But, it may be that he just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
Um, punitive damages are routinely handed out in contract cases? enlighten me, please.
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The big question is if our parent company can survive if they are ruled as responsible. Also, if the plaintiff is successful, will this trigger more suites?
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quote:Originally posted by QBID'n: ahahaha...too funny Ligge!
Its amazing if you follow the trends of posters for the past 18 months how much they have flip flopped and sometimes even forget what they have told us. Free entertainment! Well, I paid over $7k for my ticket to ride but still... lol I am sure BL can fill in a ton of good stuff like taht from his records.
By the way I am in PS (well Rancho Mirage, but close enough)right now. Anything still here to go check out or has everything been moved? If anyone knows for certain please PM me so i make sure and see the message through email... I am on vacation afetr all!
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quote:Originally posted by GoodFella: polo, with all the respect I have for BL, don't even try to argue with him. Instead of answering your message he is gonna change the subject and say something like "please prove the fact that Frank was a good man with a dream" or "prove that Jen was 100% loyal to Frank.. what if she was only 99% loyal to Frank?".
GF I appreciate your kind words ... even though you seem to believe I never answer anyone's questions.
Please read my reply to polo and let me know if I avoided answering him by "changing the subject" again. If you all would just read my comments instead of "assuming" what I am saying, I think you would find I express myself pretty simply. I try to make three points in all my posts:
1) Everyone has the right to express an opinion, no matter how much we might disagree. 2) Anything not supported by facts is just opinion, no matter how true we think our "assumptions" are. 3) When there is an equal choice between seeing the glass half full or half empty, I choose half full. My personal choice, my personal right, my personal opinion.
Thanks for your comments, guys. We obviously don't agree on many issues, but (ready for this?) until we see FACTS, we cannot know which of us is right.
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quote:Originally posted by Ligge: Its amazing if you follow the trends of posters for the past 18 months how much they have flip flopped and sometimes even forget what they have told us... I am sure BL can fill in a ton of good stuff like taht from his records.
By the way I am in PS (well Rancho Mirage, but close enough) right now...
Ligge Flip-flopping is pretty natural ... since opinions change as the situation changes ... and as facts replace assumptions. It's the people who intentionally express conflicting comments over time that should be challenged. Most of us are just confused about what we believe from day to day.
And my records aren't detailed enough to allow me to see any attitude trends. I just keep track of "recent" attitudes (my "good, bad or ugly" list).
If you do get the chance to visit Q, please let us know what you see, hear, feel and smell (taste is your option).
By the way, anything you say will be diced, sliced and pureed ... so be careful how you label it.
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they dont give punitive damages in a breach of contract, and securities fraud is going to be hard for the plaintiff to prove. the main reason is b/c as the stock went down, so did Frank's worth, since he had 53% of the company. it will be hard for the plaintiff to show that frank was manipulating this stock when frank was being affected by the decrease in price too. as for diluting the stock, he was the majority shareholder and therefore if it's in the best interest of the company to dilute in order to raise money, then the court will protect his decision under the business judgment rule.
as for the contract, if plaintiff wins he will get the terms agreed upon. he probably wont get any additional shares because that term was too vague and it would be hard for the court to determnie how many shares he would have gotten had the contract not been breached. this seems like a case that can be settled for little damages.
quote:Originally posted by justplayin: Ad, the plaintiff is claiming breach of contract in addition to securties violations.
quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: The false PRs have got to count for something...
the pr that stated they were going to release an audit may not be sufficient to constitute securities fraud. as for the # of shares and buy back of stock pr, they can defend themselves by saying that their business needs changed and they were not in a position to continue buying back shares, and in fact had to dilute to keep the business afloat. as for being profitable in the first or second quarter of 2006, that wouldnt be securities fraud b/c many CEO's make comments like that when they overestimate the growth of their company; those are just forward looking statements, and a corporation will not be held liable for those.
i cant think of any other misleading pr at the moment, although im sure there are a few more.
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quote:Originally posted by Gordon Bennett: The false PRs have got to count for something...
BottomFishing-look at you dropping the BJR!
And Gordon, I would agree if this was strictly a shareholder action; but this was a contractual relationship for management consultants. I'm not sure how well a jury would buy the argument that a major reason why the plaintiff engaged in the arrangement to begin with was by reading the PR's, particularly in light of the fact that the Plaintiff was given a fee up front, was to receive monthly payments, and of course, Franks/our TP.
Now shareholders, one could argue, might have a more tenable claim based on those PR's, if it can be proven clearly they were false.
But that is for another day. I hope Fan the Man can turn this puppy around.
As as always, the above is strictly my opinion only.
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quote:Originally posted by Ad astra: I too am gonna stop posting for awhile. I'm going to give Fan the Man at least a month to turn the puppy around. Good luck all!
Ad Hope you continue to check in occasionally, even if you don't post anything.
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Perhaps you would have been happy if Jen posted the following.
1. Transparency is not important to Lloyd and Carol. They don't care if it will happen. 2. Absolutely don't care if they do the Gay Games. 3. Lloyd Fan is a short, squat, blowhard of a man who smells bad. 4. Mr. Fan has put in a lot of other people's money and is personally committed to making himself rich. 5. Verizon is a fabulous deal that should lose shareholders even more money. 6. This new “team” was left with a real mess, but they are working extremely hard to sell everything off before investors find out just how bad it really is. 7. Frank and crew are out of the closet but are still very much in control of Q. 8. Keep watching for announcements. The staff at Q really enjoy watching you all squirm. 9. The staff is fielding a lot of phone calls from irate investors who are angry with Frank. But those are easily deflected by telling them that Lloyd fan has Frank's old parking space. 10. Lloyd, Carol and the staff laughed at my cheesecakes!
Maybe that kind of news is what it would take to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside. You sound masochistic to me.
The point is, Jenn came by some information which she then shared here, as she has done in the past. Now you can either call her a liar or just do like NORMAL people do and keep the information in mind, along with whatever quantifiable negative information you come by and PAINT YOUR OWN FRIGGIN PICTURE.
Personally, I find her eternal optimism refreshing........certainly a damnsight more desirable than the tripe the likes of you sling.
Jenn...I know I don't post much, but I'd like to reserve a spot on your PM list too.
Finn
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quote:Originally posted by finnegan: To ... pissers and moaners ... You sound masochistic to me.... Now you can either call her a liar or just do like NORMAL people do and keep the information in mind, along with whatever quantifiable negative information you come by and PAINT YOUR OWN FRIGGIN PICTURE. Personally, I find her eternal optimism refreshing ........ certainly a damnsight more desirable than the tripe the likes of you sling.
Finn I agree totally.
By the way, did you have a good time on St. Pat's Day?
Just noticed where you are posting from ... military?
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Nobody forced any of us to buy this stock. We bought it with our own free will and now we have to deal with it.
IF you trust Carol and Fan, then may be you should stick around and see what they do with the company (I am not telling you what to do, you decide).
If you don't trust them, may be you should cut your losses, sell and use your expertise to find something that will make you money.
At this stage, I choose to trust them, and will give them time to do what is right. I don't think my whining or demanding them raise the pps will change anything, except take valuable time from them to deal with me and calm me down. I trust Carol knows better than me on how to make this thing turn around. So, lets let them do their job.
I don't think there is any other choice, unless you get a kick out of calling people names, whining, or feeling sorry for yourself...
quote:Originally posted by ptrs30: Nobody forced any of us to buy this stock. We bought it with our own free will and now we have to deal with it.... Back to lurking mode now.
Peter In my case ... a rather plump man with white hair came to my home last year and "forced" me to buy Q shares. So, I cannot blame myself for my current losses. Frank did it.
By the way, lurk if you choose, but I like your style. Don't be a stranger, okay?
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by ptrs30: Nobody forced any of us to buy this stock. We bought it with our own free will and now we have to deal with it.... Back to lurking mode now. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
That is SOOOOOOOOO true but, "Fat Boy was a little less then honest in all those PR's" (and lets not forget ALL the PR's that have been removed). Frank, I hope your fat ass makes it to the pen.
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I have been at a loss for words in trying to express what has happened during the past day. This thread is very left brain oriented as most business activities are. Last night I decided to not post anymore and just send PM’s to the few whom I thought would appreciate my thoughts. This is one of the most difficult times of my life, then Q spread a thick layer of icing. I have been withdrawing in my personal life so as not to be a burden on others while still extending myself to help those in need. Last night I just broke.
The most amazing thing happened, I was flooded with PM’s from posters who wanted on my PM list and also asking me to reconsider. You all have touched me so very deeply. As I write this with streams of tears running down my face I want to say Thank You. Although you didn’t know it you gave me the hugs I needed.
I want to give a special Thank You to one of you who wrote me the most wonderful, kind and loving messages. I would not have come back if it wasn’t for them. I feel your prayers for me and please know that you will always live in my heart. You reached out with your unconditional heart and made a difference in my life. I return it ten fold as it was given. I look forward to one day meeting you.
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Lloyd’s Patented Products web site (http://www.patentedproducts.com.tw/index02.htm) describes his manufacturing complex in southwest Taiwan. This page offers many insights into his business prowess. Listed there are many examples of the level of expertise we may see implemented at Q.
What I find interesting is ISO 9001-2000 (http://www.iso.org/iso/en/iso9000-14000/understand/inbrief.html) ISO 9000 and ISO 14000 - in brief The ISO 9000 and ISO 14000 families are among ISO's most widely known standards ever. ISO 9000 and ISO 14000 standards are implemented by some 760 900 organizations in 154 countries. ISO 9000 has become an international reference for quality management requirements in business-to-business dealings, and ISO 14000 is well on the way to achieving as much, if not more, in enabling organizations to meet their environmental challenges. The ISO 9000 family is primarily concerned with "quality management". This means what the organization does to fulfil: - the customer's quality requirements, and - applicable regulatory requirements, while aiming to - enhance customer satisfaction, and - achieve continual improvement of its performance in pursuit of these objectives. The ISO 14000 family is primarily concerned with "environmental
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My two cents or 200 shares of QBID worth! All my opinion. I bought into this company because I believed in Frank’s dream. To establish a premier, premium network that catered to the gay and lesbian population. I believe there is a product and a demand for that product in an emerging market. I had no idea who Frank Olsen was. I really don’t think that if I had researched the man more I would have found much info to overshadow my initial reasons for buying QBID. The dream is still alive! I supported Frank Olsen as CEO of QTN. I watched him make attempts to build a network over the past two years. He had some significant accomplishments. E.g. a few carriers, gay games, etc. He also had some significant set backs. E.g. financial crunch, significant increase in authorized shares, no audit, etc. I still don’t know who Frank Olsen is. I don’t know if Frank Olsen lied or not. I see a lot of interpretations, innuendos and some rumors taken as fact. Does anybody really know? Is it possible that his goals were to accomplish his dream? Or did he set out to get as much money from shareholders as he possibly could? I believe he is a man who tried to accomplish a dream. However, “the peter principle” comes to mind. I don’t know if Frank Olsen rose to a level of incompetence or not. If he did, I don’t know if that incompetence arose from health issues, lack of certain skills, unscrupulous business practices or a combination of those and other things. Whatever the situation, I wish him well. I don’t know Lloyd Fan. I have reviewed what I could find about him. Does Lloyd Fan have a dream to make Q a viable company? Or is he out to get as much money from shareholders as he possibly can. I don’t know. I only hope that Mr. Fan is able to make Frank Olsen’s dream to establish a premier, premium network that caters to the gay and lesbian population. This is probably rambling a bit but I wanted to share some of my thoughts and also to reach out with support to my dear friend Jenn.
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quote:Originally posted by mjm2005: So... What have I missed?
Actually, you have not missed to much. Just alot of speculation about what is going on or not going on at "Q". I say speculation only because until we get some official PR's from carol, that is how I am treating it. So saying speculation is not meant to offend any poster on this board.
From what I know about Carol Hinnant she would not have taken this task if she was not confident that she could do something beneficial with this company. She needs time to get things restructured so there is nothing much we can do but wait. I know that is not what people want to hear, but what else can we do. So for what it is worth, I am sitting, holding and waiting for any sort of news that Carol can share with us.
Anyone who is in the business of cleaning up other people's messes will agree that this takes time, so how much time will it take??. Not sure but in any case I am still here
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quote:Originally posted by mjm2005: So... What have I missed?
Actually, you have not missed to much. Just alot of speculation about what is going on or not going on at "Q". I say speculation only because until we get some official PR's from carol, that is how I am treating it. So saying speculation is not meant to offend any poster on this board.
From what I know about Carol Hinnant she would not have taken this task if she was not confident that she could do something beneficial with this company. She needs time to get things restructured so there is nothing much we can do but wait. I know that is not what people want to hear, but what else can we do. So for what it is worth, I am sitting, holding and waiting for any sort of news that Carol can share with us.
Anyone who is in the business of cleaning up other people's messes will agree that this takes time, so how much time will it take??. Not sure but in any case I am still here
I'm out (for now) but still hanging around. I've kind of cut back on my posting/reading on IHUB (forcibly) and AllStocks (voluntarily). It'll be interesting (to say the least) to see what happens.
I'm just happy that Frank is finally gone (unless that's a lie too??). I think it's safe to say that something has to happen before the Gay Games... Give up rights? Sell rights? Or actually follow through and broadcast the games?
Will this thing pay off??? Or will it just be another scam? Worst case--> A learning experience.
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TRIANGLE MULTI-MEDIA LIMITED INC. RELEASES Q TELEVISION NETWORK FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
BURBANK, CA - March 23, 2006 - Triangle Multi-Media Limited Inc. (See OTCBB Other: QBID) has announced today the release of financial statements for its wholly owned subsidiary, Q Television Network, Inc. (QTN). The information which will be available on the Network's website (www.qtelevision.com) covers all activities since QTN's inception through December 31, 2005. This highly anticipated release comes on the heels of the new CEO Lloyd Fan assuming total control of Triangle Multi-Media and QTN.
"We have a commitment to our shareholders to provide them with as much fundamental data as possible, and the QTN statement was long overdue," said Lloyd Fan, CEO of Triangle Multi-Media and the Q Television Network. "In the two weeks that I have been in control, I have spent the majority of my time devoted to the financial records in order to provide the shareholder base the information it has been demanding. We are also currently working on the Triangle Multi-Media financial statement and hope to release that to the public very soon."
Fan has also confirmed that previous executive management has resigned all of its fiduciary and executive interest in Triangle and QTN, as well as its 53% majority ownership of QBID.
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