quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: For what it’s worth…
7. Frank and crew are out! 8. Keep watching for announcements. A lot should be out shortly. 9. The staff is fielding a lot of phone calls from irate investors who are angry with Frank. All they want to do is bitch, threaten and whine. This takes away from what they need to do to turn the pps upward.
Jenn I respect your enthusiasm, but until we see factual evidence of such, I will continue to post objections in hopes of directing new investors in their contemplation of what is true.
The "mentioning" of Frank being gone, announcements or physical work being done in the studio proves absolutely nothing.
Again, we have all been pushed to the limit. I personally feel that most intelligent long investors of TMM want nothing less than official documented proof.
And the anticipation for knowledge of "change" in corporate status, per S.O.S., is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
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I want an Appolgy and my money back. lol
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: For what it’s worth…
My brother went to the studios today and got lucky with his timing and managed to snag Carol Hinnant for a few minutes between her appointments. Here are some of the points, not the exact verbiage ...
Thanks, Jenn. Good info.
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I will not be posting much more. From now on when I get anything of value from Lloyd, Carol or anyone else, I’ll just send a P.M. to certain ones. That way the others can save themselves from having to read what I find. I find it very interesting that I used all the same available information that all posters on Allstocks have, I then fused it all together and used MY analysis, MY logic and MY opinion to write that post last week only to be drug over the coals. Some here want instant transparence. With what? Franks audit? How stupid. Some people need to put themselves in Lloyds or Carols position. You now have a corporate MESS to clean up. What would you do? Who and how would you select a board of directors? How would you restructure the management of Q? Who would you hire? The list seems endless and those armchair CEO’s think that they could just wave a magic wand and fix it all. Personally, I’m glad that Frank is out! He coned me like many. If you don’t like Lloyd, then buy him out so you can run Q. Don’t like Carol? Who would you replace her with? Some posters just bitch and bitch. Instead of whining so much, go out there!!! Good God, they’ve only had it for a couple of weeks. Maybe some need to walk in another’s shoes. My brother took some pictures and will return to Q next week and take more pictures and meet with Carol. I’ll update with P. M.’s
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: I will not be posting much more. From now on when I get anything of value from Lloyd, Carol or anyone else, I’ll just send a P.M. to certain ones. That way the others can save themselves from having to read what I find. I find it very interesting that I used all the same available information that all posters on Allstocks have, I then fused it all together and used MY analysis, MY logic and MY opinion to write that post last week only to be drug over the coals. Some here want instant transparence. With what? Franks audit? How stupid. Some people need to put themselves in Lloyds or Carols position. You now have a corporate MESS to clean up. What would you do? Who and how would you select a board of directors? How would you restructure the management of Q? Who would you hire? The list seems endless and those armchair CEO’s think that they could just wave a magic wand and fix it all. Personally, I’m glad that Frank is out! He coned me like many. If you don’t like Lloyd, then buy him out so you can run Q. Don’t like Carol? Who would you replace her with? Some posters just bitch and bitch. Instead of whining so much, go out there!!! Good God, they’ve only had it for a couple of weeks. Maybe some need to walk in another’s shoes. My brother took some pictures and will return to Q next week and take more pictures and meet with Carol. I’ll update with P. M.’s
Jennifer, even though I don't post much anymore, I still read this board usually once a day. I want you to know that I appreciate all of the information you provide us with and hope that you will continue to do so. If you do not, however, I hope you will at least include me on your PM list. I really enjoy reading what you have to say. Thanks.
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Correct me if im wrong on my math. This cat is asking for relief in the amount of $5M? (5 separate counts--$1M each). Yet the contract for management services was for: 1. 1-time $50,000 fee; 2. $10,000 per month for 1 year: $120,000 3. 50,000,000 shares (August 05, so let's say PPS * .0015): $75,000 4. Oh, and line 10. Was to receive "Unstated" number of shares? wft? how does one quantify that?
So really, $245,000 in damages and asking for $5M?
I'm in the wrong business.
Then again, looking at these suits, there is only one personal conclusion I can draw: Frank makes me sick.
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So that lawsuit is for 5 million, or is it just 1 million on 5 counts? Thankfully, I don't know much about lawsuits. 5 million sure seems like a bunch from what they should have been paid ($120,000 + shares). Seems pretty odd that they are suing for shares they didn't get. Especially when the share number wasn't even decided upon but would be based on their performance.
Also, they name Frank Olsen specifically in the suit. So is he not off the hook now that's he's out at Q? How much of the bearing of this suit will Q take? I'm assuming Q will have to answer to all monetary settlements, but maybe Frank will have to answer to the criminal stuff.
Its interesting that they bring up Frank converting his shares...maybe we'll find out if he ever really did!
Looks like from the suit that they actually got the first $50,000, so you can subtract that from the damages.
The unstated shares is really way out there. I don't blame them for trying to get something for them, but how do you put a price on that. Ha, maybe that's' where the other 4.75 mil comes from .
quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: I will not be posting much more.... I’ll just send a P.M. to certain ones. That way the others can save themselves from having to read what I find....
Jenn I understand how you feel, but remember that most Q posters are probably pretty decent and appreciate your DD and your positive attitude.
Only a few are rude and crude and can be ignored, which is probably how most people treat them in their everyday lives.
For what it's worth, here are a few of my favorite quotes and may fit this situation:
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." Benjamin Disraeli
"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain - and most fools do." Dale Carnegie
"A positive attitude may not solve all your problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worth the effort." Herm Albright
"If you agree with me, say so ... if not, go to hell." Bottomliner
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JENN you are the same person who was backing up Frank when he was dilluting this stock to no end.
The minute he stepped down, you turned your back and now starting to say how Lloyd is going to change this company.
Like QBID'n pointed out, we need to keep new investors aware of all the crap surrounding this company.
GF
quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: I will not be posting much more. From now on when I get anything of value from Lloyd, Carol or anyone else, I’ll just send a P.M. to certain ones. That way the others can save themselves from having to read what I find. I find it very interesting that I used all the same available information that all posters on Allstocks have, I then fused it all together and used MY analysis, MY logic and MY opinion to write that post last week only to be drug over the coals. Some here want instant transparence. With what? Franks audit? How stupid. Some people need to put themselves in Lloyds or Carols position. You now have a corporate MESS to clean up. What would you do? Who and how would you select a board of directors? How would you restructure the management of Q? Who would you hire? The list seems endless and those armchair CEO’s think that they could just wave a magic wand and fix it all. Personally, I’m glad that Frank is out! He coned me like many. If you don’t like Lloyd, then buy him out so you can run Q. Don’t like Carol? Who would you replace her with? Some posters just bitch and bitch. Instead of whining so much, go out there!!! Good God, they’ve only had it for a couple of weeks. Maybe some need to walk in another’s shoes. My brother took some pictures and will return to Q next week and take more pictures and meet with Carol. I’ll update with P. M.’s
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Milliam- lol, even worse...they DID pay the $50k. But in all honesty, this is just a typical tactic to try and scare the defendant into settling...which will probably happen at some point. And again, this was first filed back in late December, so you have to assume Fan knew this one was coming. And when you purchase the company, you also purchase its underlying debts and obligations--including pre-existing and potential law suits.
Hopefully he still must have liked what he saw.
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: I will not be posting much more. From now on when I get anything of value from Lloyd, Carol or anyone else, I’ll just send a P.M. to certain ones. That way the others can save themselves from having to read what I find. I find it very interesting that I used all the same available information that all posters on Allstocks have, I then fused it all together and used MY analysis, MY logic and MY opinion to write that post last week only to be drug over the coals. Some here want instant transparence. With what? Franks audit? How stupid. Some people need to put themselves in Lloyds or Carols position. You now have a corporate MESS to clean up. What would you do? Who and how would you select a board of directors? How would you restructure the management of Q? Who would you hire? The list seems endless and those armchair CEO’s think that they could just wave a magic wand and fix it all. Personally, I’m glad that Frank is out! He coned me like many. If you don’t like Lloyd, then buy him out so you can run Q. Don’t like Carol? Who would you replace her with? Some posters just bitch and bitch. Instead of whining so much, go out there!!! Good God, they’ve only had it for a couple of weeks. Maybe some need to walk in another’s shoes. My brother took some pictures and will return to Q next week and take more pictures and meet with Carol. I’ll update with P. M.’s
Jenn, I don’t know if I was one of the individuals you were directing your post to, but if not then please forgive me and disregard this post. But if so, let me make it clear that there are some here that can vouch for my “patience” as I have stated in PM’s that I am 10-15 years “long” with this investment.
For many patient longs here, including myself, having watched Frank build QTN/TMM was never a matter of wanting overnight success, but rather steady growth in business relationships and subs instead. But hell, by all means…all is not lost. And I sincerely believe that. With a new CEO in place and a proposed new administration, we’re still in the game.
My point is this and its cut and dry. Most of us here have come to the conclusion that Frank’s failure to bring QTN/TMM forward has marked a turning point in this threads discussions of dreams and expectations, that of which were by the way, terminated by Frank’s lies and unprofessionalism. Talk is cheap! So I am merely suggesting that from the proposed new management forward, we should no longer trust the “statements” of no one else and expect nothing less than officially documented proof...because truly, anything less than factual evidence should no longer suffice toward the seriousness of our investment.
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quote:Originally posted by QBID'n: Talk is cheap! So I am merely suggesting that from the proposed new management forward, we should no longer trust the “statements” of no one else and expect nothing less than officially documented proof...because truly, anything less than factual evidence should no longer suffice toward the seriousness of our investment.
well said.
...officially documented proof.... from the state of washington and the sec.
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I agree with you...and not offense, but if you can't take the heat or "critism" then don't post. Quite simple.
quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: I will not be posting much more. From now on when I get anything of value from Lloyd, Carol or anyone else, I’ll just send a P.M. to certain ones. That way the others can save themselves from having to read what I find. I find it very interesting that I used all the same available information that all posters on Allstocks have, I then fused it all together and used MY analysis, MY logic and MY opinion to write that post last week only to be drug over the coals. Some here want instant transparence. With what? Franks audit? How stupid. Some people need to put themselves in Lloyds or Carols position. You now have a corporate MESS to clean up. What would you do? Who and how would you select a board of directors? How would you restructure the management of Q? Who would you hire? The list seems endless and those armchair CEO’s think that they could just wave a magic wand and fix it all. Personally, I’m glad that Frank is out! He coned me like many. If you don’t like Lloyd, then buy him out so you can run Q. Don’t like Carol? Who would you replace her with? Some posters just bitch and bitch. Instead of whining so much, go out there!!! Good God, they’ve only had it for a couple of weeks. Maybe some need to walk in another’s shoes. My brother took some pictures and will return to Q next week and take more pictures and meet with Carol. I’ll update with P. M.’s
quote:Originally posted by GoodFella: JENN you are the same person who was backing up Frank when he was dilluting this stock to no end. The minute he stepped down, you turned your back and now starting to say how Lloyd is going to change this company. Like QBID'n pointed out, we need to keep new investors aware of all the crap surrounding this company.
GF Sorry for butting in ... but I think you are being unfair to Jenn and want to point out some basics of common sense:
1) Speaking kindly about someone you believe in is not being deceitful ... it's called loyalty, even when it's misplaced. I also supported Frank in Q's early days because I believed in his "dream", even though I questioned his business practices. Maybe I was wrong about Frank, but I don't regret anything I've said about him, because I believed it at the time.
2) Most of us lost faith in Frank some time ago and were relieved to see him leave. I don't think that means we've turned our backs on him. It means Frank failed to prove he could run Q ... and our opinion of him as a CEO has changed, which is both logical and legal. Personally, I still believe in his "dream" ... but I am glad he is no longer running Q.
3) Do we believe LLoyd Fan will change the company? As shareowners, we certainly should "hope" so. You can believe what you want about Mr. Fan, but right now he appears to be our major hope. Thninking positively about a situation is a personal option ... the one I prefer. Thinking positively doesn't make me deceitful. It just makes me "feel good". Think anyway you want ... it's your right.
4) I don't believe we have any obligation to keep new investors informed of Q's history. Investing in stocks is an adult game and requires everyone to do their own DD. Investors who need us to keep them "aware of all the crap surrounding this company" should stay away from Wall Street. And I don't trust anyone who tells me he is trying to protect others from being scammed.
I am not trying to change your opinions, nor do I want to fight with you. I just think your comments to Jenn are unfair and undeserved.
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quote:Originally posted by jellybean: I have a feeling that Qbid will close at .0004 Thursday or Friday with very high volume. Will buy 100 million Thursday.
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This is a non reporting pink sheet with very high risk. From high risk comes high rewards. Dont invest more then you can afford to lose.
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i do however like to speak up when one is posting absolute ridiculous twisted information.
anyone that makes a statement as fact should post a link to his/her findings, or state it as thier opinion not fact.
anyone investing is responsible for thier own investment. I will never feel guilty for someone else's investment in anything. I do not hold anyone responsible for my investments either.
its an adult game as you stated and in such only adults should be playing it. An adult doesn't cry on a message board about his investment and start spouting off at others about how stupid they are for being involved.
have a great day
Rod
quote:Originally posted by Bottomliner: 4) I don't believe we have any obligation to keep new investors informed of Q's history. Investing in stocks is an adult game and requires everyone to do their own DD. Investors who need us to keep them "aware of all the crap surrounding this company" should stay away from Wall Street. And I don't trust anyone who tells me he is trying to protect others from being scammed.
-------------------- Dont buy or sell on my opinions, do your research. Make sure you know what you are buying before you buy.
This is a non reporting pink sheet with very high risk. From high risk comes high rewards. Dont invest more then you can afford to lose.
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No no no!!! I have to jump in here in Goodfellas defense if you are going to get on him BL. Jen was much more than loyal to Frank. She defended what many on here considered to be very questionable decisions and actions. Maybe not directly, but by always stating that he was a good man with a dream and blah blah blah, always saying there was moer time for him to keep his promises. Most of us didn't buy it at that point, but we lost enough that we didn't want to sell. (I'm sure most wish they had now, haha)
Anyway, I don't want to be to hard on anyone, as we are all in this together, BUT Jen did defend Frank to no end, and she is pretty positive already about Lloyd. I would hope, Jen, you would learn from your own mistakes here, and not give the new ownership the benefit of the doubt until they earn it. I can promise you if they earn it, I will back them 100%, also. I am not saying I don't back them now, but I mean "back them" in the sense that I trust and believe in them, and what they are doing).
As I finish up what is probably my last post for a while, I would like to advise everyone to reassess individuals on here who they may have thought had an agenda at one time. Many of them were just trying to pass along any information that could help all of us invested in QBID. I say this because I was in a similar position many of them have been in for a week or so last year when I advised that Frank was in fact a liar. You, for one, were all over me about it BL. My only point was that if you looked at Frank's PRs and statements up to that point, he had almost never come though on time, and in many cases, never came though at all. My arguement was considered invalid because Frank "still had time" to follow through with his empty promises. Frank proved to be a liar in the end, so I hope that we can give everyone's information and opinions a chance this time around. Many of us on here just want to help.
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quote:Originally posted by Penny-Trader: ... i do however like to speak up when one is posting absolute ridiculous twisted information. anyone that makes a statement as fact should post a link to his/her findings, or state it as thier opinion not fact.
Rod A quote from Mark Twain: "Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please."
Personally, I try to prevent facts from standing in the way of an interesting story. Life usually needs a little "spicing up" ... and lies work pretty well. And
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polo, with all the respect I have for BL, don't even try to argue with him. Instead of answering your message he is gonna change the subject and say something like "please prove the fact that Frank was a good man with a dream" or "prove that Jen was 100% loyal to Frank.. what if she was only 99% loyal to Frank?".
GF
quote:Originally posted by polo1110: No no no!!! I have to jump in here in Goodfellas defense if you are going to get on him BL. Jen was much more than loyal to Frank. She defended what many on here considered to be very questionable decisions and actions. Maybe not directly, but by always stating that he was a good man with a dream and blah blah blah, always saying there was moer time for him to keep his promises. Most of us didn't buy it at that point, but we lost enough that we didn't want to sell. (I'm sure most wish they had now, haha)
Anyway, I don't want to be to hard on anyone, as we are all in this together, BUT Jen did defend Frank to no end, and she is pretty positive already about Lloyd. I would hope, Jen, you would learn from your own mistakes here, and not give the new ownership the benefit of the doubt until they earn it. I can promise you if they earn it, I will back them 100%, also. I am not saying I don't back them now, but I mean "back them" in the sense that I trust and believe in them, and what they are doing).
As I finish up what is probably my last post for a while, I would like to advise everyone to reassess individuals on here who they may have thought had an agenda at one time. Many of them were just trying to pass along any information that could help all of us invested in QBID. I say this because I was in a similar position many of them have been in for a week or so last year when I advised that Frank was in fact a liar. You, for one, were all over me about it BL. My only point was that if you looked at Frank's PRs and statements up to that point, he had almost never come though on time, and in many cases, never came though at all. My arguement was considered invalid because Frank "still had time" to follow through with his empty promises. Frank proved to be a liar in the end, so I hope that we can give everyone's information and opinions a chance this time around. Many of us on here just want to help.
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Ad...you caught me typing.
Looks like from the suit that they actually got the first $50,000, so you can subtract that from the damages.
The unstated shares is really way out there. I don't blame them for trying to get something for them, but how do you put a price on that. Ha, maybe that's' where the other 4.75 mil comes from .
Milliam
It is call punative damages and loss of future income.
The claim is that Frank manipulated the shares for his own benefit leaving the common shareholders out in the cold which caused a price decline!
They were never awarded the additional shares, eventhough they are worthless. So the stock they were given is worthless as well.
Gotta give it to Frank, he is sly. But, it may be that he just got caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
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