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i have no problem admitting i am a childish qbidiot pumper diehard qtv fan that will blindly let franko use my money in hopes that one day i will be rewarded nicely for my faith in qtv.now this ride has been disheartening for me and many others but remember this is pink land and the biggest risk takers are sometimes the ones who get rewarded the best.do i have the courage to hold this out two weeks two years maybe longer........... i dont know but for right now i have added a little more today and i will be adding small amounts on every downtick. good luck to all please sir frank make me a proud shareholder i wanna see fully reporting soon and lots more carriers and subs. best of luck to you all. sincerely your qbidiot noah.
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What is really important here is that the A/S went up but not the O/S. The O/S is what counts and we need a good return for any increase in the O/S.
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: What is really important here is that the A/S went up but not the O/S. The O/S is what counts and we need a good return for any increase in the O/S.
Understood Jen, you are in big. When Frank raised the AS to 50Billion people freaked out. Some posters said "Relax, just because Frank raised the AS doesn't mean he'll use them all." QBID's OS was somewhere around 9Billion then. Now it's 44Billion and maybe +. If people are freaking out again it's for good reason. GLTA and GO Q!!!
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: Some people here act like children.
Yeah, I'm probably one of them. I have to admit that I am pretty upset about the raise in A/S but you are quite right that that does not mean, necessisarily, that the O/S has been raised. And if restricted shares were issued for somethingat least we probably have a year before the effect is felt.
But, that doesn't mean I have to like it.
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: What is really important here is that the A/S went up but not the O/S. The O/S is what counts and we need a good return for any increase in the O/S.
quote:Originally posted by polo1110: HossTrader, I would tend not to believe Frank as common and preferred shares are not lumped together in one big O/S number.
Are you sure about that?
From investopedia:
Outstanding Shares: Stock currently held by investors, including restricted shares owned by the company's officers and insiders as well as those held by the public. Shares that have been repurchased by the company are not considered outstanding stock. They are also known as "issued shares" or "issued and outstanding".
Investopedia Says... This number is shown on company's' balance sheets under the heading "Capital Stock" and is more important than the authorized shares or float. It is used in the calculation of many widely used metrics including "market capitalization" and "Earnings-per-Share (EPS)".
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: What is really important here is that the A/S went up but not the O/S. The O/S is what counts and we need a good return for any increase in the O/S.
Understood Jen, you are in big. When Frank raised the AS to 50Billion people freaked out. Some posters said "Relax, just because Frank raised the AS doesn't mean he'll use them all." QBID's OS was somewhere around 9Billion then. Now it's 44Billion and maybe +. If people are freaking out again it's for good reason. GLTA and GO Q!!!
quote:Originally posted by polo1110: HossTrader, I would tend not to believe Frank as common and preferred shares are not lumped together in one big O/S number.
Are you sure about that?
From investopedia:
Outstanding Shares: Stock currently held by investors, including restricted shares owned by the company's officers and insiders as well as those held by the public. Shares that have been repurchased by the company are not considered outstanding stock. They are also known as "issued shares" or "issued and outstanding".
Investopedia Says... This number is shown on company's' balance sheets under the heading "Capital Stock" and is more important than the authorized shares or float. It is used in the calculation of many widely used metrics including "market capitalization" and "Earnings-per-Share (EPS)".
And the Nov 7 amendment was: "The capital stock of this corporation shall consist of 60,000,000,000 shares at no par value".
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That's briliant. 5 stars. Of course this is what's happening. Why didn't we realize it earlier? If DavidJanas is correct, which it seems he's proven himself. This stock is about to go up fairly nicely and Frank is confident of this. So, what better thing for him to do than sell a few billion shares at a high price to make a crap load of money!?
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Frankie boy did not increase the A/S for sh!ts and grins. He increased the A/S because he intends to use it, which means that the O/S will eventually go up to. He is NOT done selling yet. That whole "we are financed through 2008" bit was/is (IMO)BS. Yea, he's finaced through 2008 alright...we know now how. He is in a bind right now and only has 6-7 months to get into 150 markets. We have what? 10 or 12? just guessing.
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Jen, the O/S went from 19.5 bil to 44 bil. While it may still be at 44 bil, Frank in no way has NOT raised the O/S. He has more than doubled it. That is where all the frustration is coming from. Alot of us aren't fortunate enough to have short memories (not implying that you do).
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quote:Originally posted by polo1110: HossTrader, I would tend not to believe Frank as common and preferred shares are not lumped together in one big O/S number.
Are you sure about that?
From investopedia:
Outstanding Shares: Stock currently held by investors, including restricted shares owned by the company's officers and insiders as well as those held by the public. Shares that have been repurchased by the company are not considered outstanding stock. They are also known as "issued shares" or "issued and outstanding".
Investopedia Says... This number is shown on company's' balance sheets under the heading "Capital Stock" and is more important than the authorized shares or float. It is used in the calculation of many widely used metrics including "market capitalization" and "Earnings-per-Share (EPS)".
I'm positive about it. I've been dealing with stocks for about 35 years now and I know for a fact that there can be many types of shares (various flavors of preferred and common) and each one has its own distinct A/S. They are never lumped together. Because common stock is what the vast majority of people own in a company whenever A/S, O/S etc. are talked about the assumtption is it's the common stock being talked about. Find some annual reports for larger companies which have both and see it they are not always listed seperatly.
Think of it this way, "There are 60B apples available of which shareholders have 44B and Frank has an unspecified number of oranges."
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quote:Originally posted by bige2533: A lot of people were hoping Frank should buy back shares at these prices. Here is the opposite theory put into action.
Release the audit
Share price goes up since a value can be determined
Dilute 5B additional shares at the higher price to bring in $$$
Just a thought...
For me, if the share price goes up after the audit, I'd be a in hog heaven. Hell, even if it goes to .001 I'd be ecstatic.
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That's briliant. 5 stars. Of course this is what's happening. Why didn't we realize it earlier? If DavidJanas is correct, which it seems he's proven himself. This stock is about to go up fairly nicely and Frank is confident of this. So, what better thing for him to do than sell a few billion shares at a high price to make a crap load of money!?
Yeah, but why not do it the way the rest of us do, buy back the shares then sell them later?
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Well i emailed frank and he said just tell him how many shares you have and at what pps and he would send you a check for the balance. way to go frankie.
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quote:Originally posted by jill1170: And the Nov 7 amendment was: "The capital stock of this corporation shall consist of 60,000,000,000 shares at no par value".
So many terms out there. Here is part of the definition of Authorized Stock:
Also known as "authorized shares" or "authorized capital stock".
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jenn is in at .0001 shes fine.
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When the audit comes out (if ever) I think the O/S will be more than 44B. It will probably be 50B now. Depends on how fast Frankie can sell.
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If odds are that the O/S has been/will be raised, it would be naive to assume that it hasn't/won't been, correct? We are pissed because looking at Frank's track record, this means the O/S will follow the A/S, which means we continually hold a smaller and smaller % of the pie. If he buys assets with these shares, then yes, I will stop harping on the deception, but that doesn't excused the lies, and that makes the audit that much more important now. What does everyone think will happen if the audit either: A. Does not come out? or B. Shows more than 44 bil shares O/S with no significant increase in assets?
Just curious, as I am assuming only the worse from here on out.
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quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: What is really important here is that the A/S went up but not the O/S. The O/S is what counts and we need a good return for any increase in the O/S.
True but I expect OS to follow.
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By guys. For those who want to stay upset, well, good luck. I’m going to get a manicure and pedicure. Then a glass of wine, soothing music and watch the sunset.
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quote:Originally posted by polo1110: If odds are that the O/S has been/will be raised, it would be naive to assume that it hasn't/won't been, correct? We are pissed because looking at Frank's track record, this means the O/S will follow the A/S, which means we continually hold a smaller and smaller % of the pie. If he buys assets with these shares, then yes, I will stop harping on the deception, but that doesn't excused the lies, and that makes the audit that much more important now. What does everyone think will happen if the audit either: A. Does not come out? or B. Shows more than 44 bil shares O/S with no significant increase in assets?
Just curious, as I am assuming only the worse from here on out.
quote:Originally posted by whizknock:
quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: What is really important here is that the A/S went up but not the O/S. The O/S is what counts and we need a good return for any increase in the O/S.
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There goes Frank and BS abuot how he dosen't need us shareholders. Dosen't put much confidence in someone that tells his shareholders to eat his crap. We own this company lets get rid of this guy.
quote:Originally posted by imakmony2005: Well i emailed frank and he said just tell him how many shares you have and at what pps and he would send you a check for the balance. way to go frankie.
quote:Originally posted by Jennifercd10: By guys. For those who want to stay upset, well, good luck. I’m going to get a manicure and pedicure. Then a glass of wine, soothing music and watch the sunset.
God bless you Jen! I've been a diehard QBID optimist for a couple years & should be rejoicing with todays news but Jill's post about AS being at 60 billion, which I believe is real has me very, very angry!
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