quote:Originally posted by Stealx: Is it me or has QTV released the same PR three times, twice today ?
It was an error. That happens sometimes.
OR . . . maybe Frank is just proud and excited about this new step in QBID's progress and wants to tell us more than once? When I won a 3rd grade spelling bee, I called Grandma five times and she was thrilled to hear my story every time. Maybe we all should react like Grandma and be happy . . . no matter how many times we hear the story. (This proves it is a slow news day. Three posts in a row about a PR being released more than once. WOW!)
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I know I'm a little new to a lot of this stuff, but does anyone else find it a little odd that there are buys and sells going through worth between $10 and $20? Not that the low prices haven't given me the chance to buy another 100,000 shares.
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quote:Originally posted by jmcmanna: I know I'm a little new to a lot of this stuff, but does anyone else find it a little odd that there are buys and sells going through worth between $10 and $20? Not that the low prices haven't given me the chance to buy another 100,000 shares.
Insome cases those are signals going between the MM's. Here is a partial list of signals that have been know for a while.These are coutesy of an ex-trader
Updated MM Signals................................
a-Signals between MM’s... 100 > I need shares 200 > I need shares badly but don’t take it down to get them 300 > Take the price down to get shares.... 400 > Trade it sideways based on Supply and Demand 500 > Gap one-way or the other, usually to the direction of the 500 trade. Sometimes -if in the middle -keep the price right where it is. 1000 > Don't let it run 2100 > Let it run 2500 > What ever
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Very good post found on IHUB in regards to QTN/QBID.
Posted by: ikity-splits In reply to: behoof who wrote msg# 107317 Date:4/28/2005 2:18:30 PM Post #of 107341
I suggest you re-read the awkward phrasing AFTER you pull both Q Television Network, Inc. & Triangle Multi-Media's corporate filings from the Washington Secretary of State. I doled out the $5 to get a copy of Q's last filing, it annual report. You'll notice abortionist Dr. Sherman, another long-time business associate of Frank's was added to the Q Board of Directors;
Q TELEVISION NETWORK, INC
UNIFIED BUISNESS ID # : 602 391 767
FILED SECRETARY OF STATE SAM REED 8/9/04 DOC No: 458253-001
Address of Principal place of business in WA; 28609 14th Ave S, Federal Way, WA 98003
Telephone Number of Corporation: 206 312 2696
Briefly State nature of business in WA; Home office of TV network doing business in California
President; Frank Olsen, 28609 14th Ave S, Federal Way, WA 98003
Secretary: Rene Schenk, 303 N. Indian Cny Palm Springs CA 92262
Chair Bd. Directors; Frank Olsen, 28609 14th Ave S, Federal Way, WA 98003
Directors, Rene Schenk, 303 N. Indian Cny Palm Springs CA 92262. Marion Sherman, 303 N. Indian Cny Palm Springs CA 92262.
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QTN's UBI # is: 602 391 767
Now we can look at QBID's, TMM's corporate filings;
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TRIANGLE MULTIMEDIA LIMITED
UNIFIED BUSINESS ID #: 601 047 757
Category Regular Corporation Profit/Nonprofit Profit Active/Inactive Active State of Incorporation WA Date of Incorporation 05/08/1951 License Expiration Date 05/31/2005
Registered Agent Information Agent Name FRANK W OLSON Address 28609 14TH AVE SW City FEDERAL WAY State WA ZIP 98003
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Triangle Multi-Media is QBID, not QTN, per the form 211 filing with the SEC. Note that Triangle Multi-Media's UBI # with the Secretary of State is: 601 047 757.
So, we know two things.
1) Triangle Multi-Media (QBID) and Q Television Network are seperate corporate entities. They are TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES. And,
2)we know from the 15c211 filing that ONLY TMM trades as QBID. Here is the company trading as QBID per the 15c211;
QBID - SEC 15c-211 - Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Triangle Multi-Media Limited, Inc. A Washington Corporation July 20, 2000
Information Provided Pursuant to Rule 15c2-11 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as Amended
CORPORATE INFORMATION REGARDING Triangle Multi-Media Limited, Inc. A Washington Corporation July 20, 2000
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Furtherore, Frank disclosed that Q Television Network is a wholly owned subsidiary of Triangle Multi-Media. Those who don't understand that QBID/TMM is a holding company get scammed at this point. They do not understand why if TMM wholly owns QTN, and they own common shares in QBID/TMM, why they do not own equity in QTN too. First, understand a common share of stock is a limited liability. It is voting stock and entitles you only to dividends on TMM's earnings.
Triangle/QBID has no earnings. It is a holding company. It's assets are its holdings. Its holdings are its wholly owned subsidiaries. How does Triangle/QBID "wholly own" Q Television Network and why do common shareholders of the holding co., QBID, have no equity in the holdings/subsidiaries?
Because the shareholders of the subsidiaries, like QTN, are the directors of the holding company. So QBID's directors wholly own all of QTN's 75k shares and are solely entitled to all dividends on QTN's 75k shares.
One need only look at PSTS to see how it works. PSTS was QBID's wholly owned studios subsidiary. Frankie sold it privately for $1.2MM.QBID common shareholders got nothing. PSTS, like QTN, was a QBID PRIVATE HOLDING.
About Q Television Network:
A wholly-owned subsidiary of Triangle Multi Media, Q Television Network was organized to create and develop a network devoted to providing television programming for the gay and lesbian community. While the company expects much of its subscriber base to be comprised of members of the gay and lesbian population, management also believes that quality programming about the gay and lesbian experience, designed to entertain, educate and inform, will attract many other segments of the viewing public. The company's programming will be available on a subscription basis to those desiring its programming. The network will broadcast 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. Providing distribution via satellite ensures availability of the network across the United States, including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico.
You might also call OTR, QBID's Transfer Agent. OTR will confirm for you that they only transfer TMM/QBID stock. Q Television is not a customer of theirs. DTC will confirm Q Television has no account there, so there are no QTN shares in street to transfer to name anyway. This jives with QTN being a private holding. QTN's 75k shares remain unissued with no par value and privately wholly owned by the directors of its holding company, QBID.
Now lets look at the cut & paste you posted;
"Investor Relations - PinkSheets: QBID"
Rich is the IR person for Q Television Network, yet the shares he is pimping are Triangle Multi-Media shares. QTN's 75k shares are privately wholly owned and are unissued. The WA Secretary of State can confirm that for you. So, we have a IR person, Rich, pimping the shares of a company he does not work for, TMM.
"Thank you for your interest in Q Television stock (being a subsidiary of Triangle Multi-Media Limited, Inc.)
This is the BAIT & SWITCH - it discloses that Q is a subsidiary of TMM, not ACTUALLY TMM/QBID...
We now have an investor relations firm in charge of handling all investor inquiries
WHO is "we"? QTN? QBID? What company are you buying shares in? Rich works IR for a PRIVATE CO., QTN, but is touting TMM shares?
its off thier website if what you say would even be possibly true. both frank and renee would be so legaly up the river it would be ugly
No, it's NOT on QBID's website. QBID's website is www.qbid.net. It is hosted by ex-con and stock promoter Joe Lanza's Top2Net. QTN's website is not QBID's website. www.qtelevision.com is QTN's website.
Registrant: Triangle MultiMedia Ltd. 810 N. Farrell Drive Palm Springs, CA 92262 US Phone: 760-322-1271 Fax: 123 123 1234
Domain Name: QBID.NET
Administrative Contact : Olsen, Frank frankceo@TRIANGLETELEVISIONNETWORK.COM 1000 E. Tahquitz Canyon Way Palm Springs, CA 92262 US Phone: (760) 322-1217 Fax: 327-2767
Technical Contact : Top2net LLC, dns@TOP2NET.NET 4050 AIRPORT CENTER DR PALM SPRINGS, CA 92264-1216 US Phone: 760-318-8176 Fax: 760-318-8186
Record expires on 16-Sep-2005 Record created on 16-Sep-1999 Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
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quote:Originally posted by gHoStY: Very good post found on IHUB in regards to QTN/QBID.
Posted by: ikity-splits In reply to: behoof who wrote msg# 107317 Date:4/28/2005 2:18:30 PM Post #of 107341
I suggest you re-read the awkward phrasing AFTER you pull both Q Television Network, Inc. & Triangle Multi-Media's corporate filings from the Washington Secretary of State. I doled out the $5 to get a copy of Q's last filing, it annual report. You'll notice abortionist Dr. Sherman, another long-time business associate of Frank's was added to the Q Board of Directors;
Q TELEVISION NETWORK, INC
UNIFIED BUISNESS ID # : 602 391 767
FILED SECRETARY OF STATE SAM REED 8/9/04 DOC No: 458253-001
Address of Principal place of business in WA; 28609 14th Ave S, Federal Way, WA 98003
Telephone Number of Corporation: 206 312 2696
Briefly State nature of business in WA; Home office of TV network doing business in California
President; Frank Olsen, 28609 14th Ave S, Federal Way, WA 98003
Secretary: Rene Schenk, 303 N. Indian Cny Palm Springs CA 92262
Chair Bd. Directors; Frank Olsen, 28609 14th Ave S, Federal Way, WA 98003
Directors, Rene Schenk, 303 N. Indian Cny Palm Springs CA 92262. Marion Sherman, 303 N. Indian Cny Palm Springs CA 92262.
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QTN's UBI # is: 602 391 767
Now we can look at QBID's, TMM's corporate filings;
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TRIANGLE MULTIMEDIA LIMITED
UNIFIED BUSINESS ID #: 601 047 757
Category Regular Corporation Profit/Nonprofit Profit Active/Inactive Active State of Incorporation WA Date of Incorporation 05/08/1951 License Expiration Date 05/31/2005
Registered Agent Information Agent Name FRANK W OLSON Address 28609 14TH AVE SW City FEDERAL WAY State WA ZIP 98003
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Triangle Multi-Media is QBID, not QTN, per the form 211 filing with the SEC. Note that Triangle Multi-Media's UBI # with the Secretary of State is: 601 047 757.
So, we know two things.
1) Triangle Multi-Media (QBID) and Q Television Network are seperate corporate entities. They are TWO DIFFERENT COMPANIES. And,
2)we know from the 15c211 filing that ONLY TMM trades as QBID. Here is the company trading as QBID per the 15c211;
QBID - SEC 15c-211 - Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Triangle Multi-Media Limited, Inc. A Washington Corporation July 20, 2000
Information Provided Pursuant to Rule 15c2-11 of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, as Amended
CORPORATE INFORMATION REGARDING Triangle Multi-Media Limited, Inc. A Washington Corporation July 20, 2000
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Furtherore, Frank disclosed that Q Television Network is a wholly owned subsidiary of Triangle Multi-Media. Those who don't understand that QBID/TMM is a holding company get scammed at this point. They do not understand why if TMM wholly owns QTN, and they own common shares in QBID/TMM, why they do not own equity in QTN too. First, understand a common share of stock is a limited liability. It is voting stock and entitles you only to dividends on TMM's earnings.
Triangle/QBID has no earnings. It is a holding company. It's assets are its holdings. Its holdings are its wholly owned subsidiaries. How does Triangle/QBID "wholly own" Q Television Network and why do common shareholders of the holding co., QBID, have no equity in the holdings/subsidiaries?
Because the shareholders of the subsidiaries, like QTN, are the directors of the holding company. So QBID's directors wholly own all of QTN's 75k shares and are solely entitled to all dividends on QTN's 75k shares.
One need only look at PSTS to see how it works. PSTS was QBID's wholly owned studios subsidiary. Frankie sold it privately for $1.2MM.QBID common shareholders got nothing. PSTS, like QTN, was a QBID PRIVATE HOLDING.
About Q Television Network:
A wholly-owned subsidiary of Triangle Multi Media, Q Television Network was organized to create and develop a network devoted to providing television programming for the gay and lesbian community. While the company expects much of its subscriber base to be comprised of members of the gay and lesbian population, management also believes that quality programming about the gay and lesbian experience, designed to entertain, educate and inform, will attract many other segments of the viewing public. The company's programming will be available on a subscription basis to those desiring its programming. The network will broadcast 24 hours per day, 7 days per week. Providing distribution via satellite ensures availability of the network across the United States, including Alaska, Hawaii and Puerto Rico.
You might also call OTR, QBID's Transfer Agent. OTR will confirm for you that they only transfer TMM/QBID stock. Q Television is not a customer of theirs. DTC will confirm Q Television has no account there, so there are no QTN shares in street to transfer to name anyway. This jives with QTN being a private holding. QTN's 75k shares remain unissued with no par value and privately wholly owned by the directors of its holding company, QBID.
Now lets look at the cut & paste you posted;
"Investor Relations - PinkSheets: QBID"
Rich is the IR person for Q Television Network, yet the shares he is pimping are Triangle Multi-Media shares. QTN's 75k shares are privately wholly owned and are unissued. The WA Secretary of State can confirm that for you. So, we have a IR person, Rich, pimping the shares of a company he does not work for, TMM.
"Thank you for your interest in Q Television stock (being a subsidiary of Triangle Multi-Media Limited, Inc.)
This is the BAIT & SWITCH - it discloses that Q is a subsidiary of TMM, not ACTUALLY TMM/QBID...
We now have an investor relations firm in charge of handling all investor inquiries
WHO is "we"? QTN? QBID? What company are you buying shares in? Rich works IR for a PRIVATE CO., QTN, but is touting TMM shares?
its off thier website if what you say would even be possibly true. both frank and renee would be so legaly up the river it would be ugly
No, it's NOT on QBID's website. QBID's website is www.qbid.net. It is hosted by ex-con and stock promoter Joe Lanza's Top2Net. QTN's website is not QBID's website. www.qtelevision.com is QTN's website.
Registrant: Triangle MultiMedia Ltd. 810 N. Farrell Drive Palm Springs, CA 92262 US Phone: 760-322-1271 Fax: 123 123 1234
Domain Name: QBID.NET
Administrative Contact : Olsen, Frank frankceo@TRIANGLETELEVISIONNETWORK.COM 1000 E. Tahquitz Canyon Way Palm Springs, CA 92262 US Phone: (760) 322-1217 Fax: 327-2767
Technical Contact : Top2net LLC, dns@TOP2NET.NET 4050 AIRPORT CENTER DR PALM SPRINGS, CA 92264-1216 US Phone: 760-318-8176 Fax: 760-318-8186
Record expires on 16-Sep-2005 Record created on 16-Sep-1999 Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
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THIS IS THEE BIGGEST LOAD OF CRAP I HAVE EVER READ!!! I don't say much about Q, but post like this are uncalled for.. It has no fact to it at all!!! How sick are you guys?
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Ghosty: I find this blurb the most interesting:
Record expires on 16-Sep-2005 Record created on 16-Sep-1999 Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
Especially the last line, 8 months behind.What changes have been taken place since then? One habbit you are consistant with is partial information and out dated.
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Just some interesting info on the people who like to continuously post dirt about "Q". All avenues require to be explored including this one:
The Basher's Handbook Reprinted here as a service to those who doubt this actually exists, or is simply an unfounded urban legend.
Is the "Bashing" of a stock an essential part of the online investment landscape?
Our Constitution guarantees us free speech and we have always valued the lessons gleaned from dissent. When does dissent cross over that imaginary line and become "Bashing"? To often we find well grounded dissent capriciously labeled as "Bashing" by over zealous investors bent on protecting a stocks reputation at any cost. The "Bashing" that is addressed on this site is quite different from dissent. The Anatomy of a Basher strives to look at the calculated erosion of confidence in a given stock. Erosion by means that are, in every sense, void of truth, hinged on deception and innuendo, and motivated by greed at the expense of others. This compendium is offered to aid in identifying the telltale signs of "Bashing", and hopefully provide a counter balance to this heretofore unchecked manipulation of investors fears for personal gain.
IS IT EASIER TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO SELLING THAN IT IS TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BUYING A STOCK? I have asked some knowledgeable investors this question and the answer is always: "YES, OF COURSE YES!"
Consider the elderly that are investing for retirement, they find their way to the message boards for validation only to see false posts about "SEC Violations" and "Class action suits"... or the head of a "typical growing family", with children to put through college, who is monitoring a message board only to read posts by a "pack of 15 to 20 Bashers" (probably 5 or 6 under various alias's) posting continuous disinformation... what do you think these new investors will do? It's safer to not buy or even sell the stock, put the money back in the bank than to deal with all this whirl wind of "unsupported" negative chaff.
The Internet has lured a whole new class of investor into the market. A new investor is just that - New! This new investor, while learning the basics, is particularly vulnerable to the tactics of professional Bashers. New investors tend to lurk in the background of message boards, content to form independent opinions based on what they read with their own eyes. Very often, honest, intelligent and cautious people can easily be overcome by a well orchestrated propaganda effort.
You must always remember that their is a lot of money to be made in just the motion of a stock UP or DOWN it doesn't matter! And Bashers have money at risk just as you do. But they have the edge of fear, lies, and falsehoods to post while preying on the un-initiated. The average investor dose not have the edge of organized deception.
Recent revelations have indicated that even Market Makers (those charged with keeping the playing field level) have been involved in stock manipulation by Bashing on a stock message board. HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THIS IS A REAL THREAT!
Lesson 1: Remember, BASHERS NEVER Bash A BAD STOCK. Check the boards for stocks with no potential. They never have any Bashers. Bashers only go after stocks that are moving up or have excellent potential to do so. Bashers work to bring the price down to either increase their position at the expense of others or help a Short make their bones.
Lesson 2: BASHERS ALWAYS BRING UP OLD NEWS THAT YOU HAVE HEARD MANY TIMES. New startup companies always have a few bits of bad news. The Basher will post this over and over again. Unsophisticated Bashers will try to freshen up old news with a new date or by-line in an attempt to fool you.
Lesson 3: BASHERS POST MANY TIMES A DAY. They try to wear you out. They comment on everything, every other post, and can answer every question. THEY KNOW IT ALL! There is no positive comment they won't Bash. They try to control the board. True longs may have to confront the Bashers or they will appear to the newbies as being the people with all the information. This is best accomplished by posting positive, well researched data on the company, repetitively, while trying hard not to engage the Bashers in direct repartee. REMEMBER - LONGS... RESIST USING THE BASHERS ALIAS!
Lesson 4: BASHERS WILL LIE TO YOUR FACE. Never trust a Basher. The truth on startup companies is that they make mistakes. What new company hasn't? The Basher will compare your issue to a another companies, financials - deals - management, etc., trying to lure you into making an Apples to Oranges comparison. Remember each company is unique and while it is prudent to seek out established indicators, do so with care and don't take someone else's word for it. Strive to come up with at least a "six-pack" of indicators so your vision of the state of a company is not tied to a single barometer. Not doing so is tantamount to going to a Race Track and betting on the "Pretty Brown Horsey". BASHERS WANT TO WHISPER IN YOUR EAR - PLANT A SEED OF DOUBT, AND HOPE THAT YOU ARE NOT SAVVY ENOUGH TO RESEARCH THE TRUTH ON YOUR OWN. This is how they achieve their greatest success.
DOUBT + FEAR + LAZINESS = BAIL OUT!
This is your investment... work for it, protect it and don't panic on the words of very shadowy figure that "has your best interest in their heart". Consider that one factor: Someone you have never met, is not a member of your family, is now, out of the goodness of their hearts - GIVING YOU FREE ADVICE (that you didn't ask for). It's a no brainer. They have motives $$$$$$$$$$$$.
Lesson 5: Bashers know YOU CAN'T VERIFY THEIR STATEMENTS. That's why they make the vague statements they do. They rely on you being to lazy to research their droppings other than to scan the board for others opinions. This is particularly dangerous when you consider that Bashers work in packs and often validate and back up each others nonsense with what appears to be "innocuous and unsolicited" verification by comrade Bashers. Let's face it, we are all conditioned to "believe" everything we see in writing. If others by virtue of their "posts" also confirm this belief, then we are subconsciously doomed to swallow the hook, line and sinker... Basher - 1 Honest Investor - 0
Lesson 6: The Bashers PLAY ON YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. They can lie about information and you won't know the difference (unless you have done your own DD on the company and know the truth and facts).
Lesson 7: Bashers play on your lack of patience. You have held a stock for a while. You knew it will be a big stock someday, but the BASHER CAN GET TO YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE TIRED OF WAITING FOR YOUR GAIN. That's when the Basher is best. You are tired. You have forgotten the goal for the stock was to hold it for one year. The Basher is bothersome, so you dump it on a bad day. Some others also dump. Then you get mad for your loss and return to let everyone know how mad you are. Then you turn into a semi-Basher as well. THE BASHER HAS WON, AND GAINED A NEW ALLY - YOU!
Lesson 8: BRING THE PRICE DOWN. That is the Basher's job. The truth is not important. Lies are the norm. Post continuously on the board every day. They are trying to scare the newbies that are just investigating a stock. They are trying to wear down the faithful longs on the board and gain free reign and control.
A BASHER HANDBOOK: Do not underestimate a Bashers influence on a stock. The Pro's are good at what they do and what they do is profit from your losses. Below is their "hand-book". Learn from it or you will be donating your hard earned money to them!
2. Use 10% fact. 90% suggestion. The facts will lend credibility to your suggestions.
3. Let others help you learn about the stock. Build rapport and a support base before initiating your Bashing routine.
4. Enter w/ humor and reply to all who reply to you.
5. Use multiple ISP's, handles and aliases.
6. Use two (2) or more aliases to simulate a discussion.
7. Do not start with an all out slam of the stock. Build softly.
8. Identify your foes (Longs) and the boards "guru" Use them to your advantage. Lead them do not follow their lead.
9. Only Bash until the tide/momentum turns. Let doubt carry it the rest of the way.
10. Give the appearance of being open minded.
11. Be bold in your statements. People follow strength.
12. Write headlines in caps with catchy statements.
13. Pour it on as your position gains momentum. Not your personality.
14. Don't worry about being labeled a "Basher". Newbies won't know your history.
15. When identified put up a brief fight, then back off. Return in an hour unless your foe is a weak in reasoning powers.
16. Your goal is to limit the momentum of the run. Not to tank the company or create a plunge in the stock; be subtle and consistent.
17. Kill the dreams of profits, not the company or the stock.
18. Use questions to create critical thinking. Statements to reinforce facts.
19. DO NOT LIE, NAME CALL or USE PROFANITY.
20. Encourage people to call the company. 99% won't. They'll take your word for claims made. If they do call you can always find something that is inaccurate in how they report their findings.
21. Discourage people from believing Press Releases. Encourage them to call the company. They won't out of laziness.
22. If the companies history/PR's are negative constantly point to that. Compile a list of this data prior to beginning your efforts.
23. If the price rises blame it on the hype or the PR, temporary mass reaction, the market, etc. Anything but the stock itself.
24. If other posters share your concerns, play on that and share theirs too.
25. Always cite low volume, even when it's not.
26. Three or four aliases can dominate a board and wear down the longs.
27. Bait the Longs into personal debates putting their focus/efforts on you and not the stock or facts. Divert their attention from facts.
28. Promote other stocks that would-be investors can turn to instead of the one your Bashing.
30. Do not fall for challenges on the "values" of what you are doing, it's a game and you are playing it with your own rules.
Grade 'A' Basher: If you post lots of old news, respond to all positive posts with a negative side. Never respond to being called a Basher, never post on another board with same alias. Can spend up to 80 hours a week Bashing a stock.
Grade 'B' Basher: Very good way with words, always claims to be your "friend" taking the positive poster into confidence, never posts on another board, spends about 60 hours a week.
Grade 'C' Basher: Spends less time than the others but is somewhat effective and gets a C grade due to getting excited when Bashers rules say not to get excited, spends about 40 hours a week.
Grade 'D' Basher: Needs to learn the basics about being convincing when making a negative statement. Spends a good amount of time working the stock, maybe 20 hours a week.
Grade 'F' Basher: A complete idiot, most readers are not convinced he knows anything about stocks in general. The type that says a stock "sucks", but gives no rationale, shows up every so often but no regular schedule.
LEARN ABOUT HOW BASHERS WORK: For instance: did you know that some Bashers are paid?
Golden Rule:
IGNORE THEM ...learn how professional Bashers are paid: When you REPLY to Bashers you give them an opportunity to earn appox. 5-7 dollars. The service agreement they enter into with their employer states their messages will be monitored for content, profanity, lies, etc. but Overseers and the like don't have the time to check all their Bashers messages. Only occasional spot checks are done. Those who manage the Basher will generally read the headlines to see if a Basher is replying to other posters by name. That tells them the Basher isn't just "posting blindly" or repeating the same message over and over since they won't pay for those.(True to form a Basher will put the bite on anyone, even their unscrupulous employer). A Basher will attempt to milk three to five replies per post at one to two dollars each. This way the Basher spreads negative influence to as many stockholders as possible. A Basher will create this discussion thread because it takes less time reading more messages than is necessary. This ultimately allows the Basher more time to post and make money. In general, NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER. Make them read all the posts and think up ways to enter the discussion. NEVER ENGAGE A BASHER; if you do so then YOU BECOME THE BASHER,S AID! If you feel compelled to challenge a Basher do so without mentioning his/her true alias in your response. This will make it hard for the Basher to use your post as a revenue stream. Read the news, do your own homework and make your own decisions. Get real time quotes and follow the stock for a couple of weeks. Due Diligence is key here. Know that there will be a time when the stock runs up which will be followed followed by the Bashers and those that missed the boat. The Bashers will trash the stock by saying such things as "it's a Pump and Dump" and "the company is lying" and deceiving. There goal is to scare off newbies and potential new investors by "shaking" you out of your shares. Take the time to confirm your DD ,trust your own judgement and believe in yourself, pick your point of return or loss and live with it. Don't listen to hype or Bashers trust your own judgement. Live by the rules you have created .
1. Check the "Born on Date" Bashers create identities on a regular basis. Rarely do you find a Basher with older "Created On" date. So click on the Identity icon for more details.
2. Take the time to look at the Basher's history of Posts. Go to other boards and see if their is a pattern to the theme of the posts. Bashers rarely waste time trying to blend in with "positive" posts, unless they are cultivating a new uninformed assistant.
3. When did the Basher show up. Bashers rarely show up when activity is in at a Lull. They show up when activity up/down..
4. Bashers never answer direct questions except with another question.
5. Bashers do work in teams (sometimes themselves as a team). So be suspicious of someone showing up and automatically having a Shadow to converse with who supports their argument.
6. Bashers always select "an argument" that can never be resolved by research.
Bashers love to work in packs. It provides the quintessential cover to achieve supposedly "independent" validation of an argument. It is neither independent nor validating.
Pack Structure: Basher Packs can be comprised of any number of Bashers. They can be purposely formed within an organization or they can be "ad hoc" formed during a conclave on a particular board. In fact a pack mentality can be achieved by an ambitious "party of one" with a few select aliases.
Once a pack is formed, a leader emerges. This leader is usually acknowledged by other Bashers because of 1. Knowledge of the stock. or 2. Recognition by current board Longs (high visibility). Once established the Leader will usually work the Pack members up in to a posting frenzy. Constantly changing themes and even occasionally biting the ear of another pack member (this earns instant credibility), and it doesn't offend the bitten Basher because he/she knows it is all part of the effect. Quite sophisticated.
Packs will disband and slink away without notice. Usually this is the call of the Pack Leader who is adept at recognizing overplay. More often than not, Pack members must move on because they have other Bashing commitments to fulfill. They will return to the site of a good hunt over and over again, until hamstringing is achieved.
What calls a pack together. The Cry of the Leader. Certain Bashers love to work together. They know each others bite, how to feign in and out, it is a well choreographed Bash when pack members have worked together before. They constantly check their "Sites Du Jour" for signs of Pack activity. Occasionally they will throw out a "Nibbler" Bash to see if the pack responds or if not they can work the site themselves. It's all about effectiveness, time and earning money.
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In reply to the above post about how QBID stock does not actually own QTN and such...this is a reply someone from the IHUB board got from Richard Brown.
Posted by: ct_here In reply to: ikity-splits who wrote msg# 107355 Date:4/28/2005 3:01:34 PM Post #of 107358
Direct response from QBID's Investor Relations regarding your claims back in February under a different alias on another board.
From: staff@equityrelations.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:42 PM To: Xxxxxx Xxxxxx xxxxxxxx@snet.net Subject: Re: Previous email
Xxxxxx,
Appreciate the fact that you are not my only email. As for your email yesterday, many companies have subsidiaries and to incorporate more than one is definitely not an anomaly. If you are an owner of ticker symbol QBID, you own every company under the Triangle Multimedia umbrella. Hope this helps. Richard Brown
-----Original Message----- From: Xxxxxx Xxxxxx xxxxxxxx@snet.net] Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 1:42 PM To: staff@equityrelations.com Subject: Previous email
Richard, I am surprised I did not get a response from you regarding yesterday's email. Is there some sort of problem? Is there anything I can do to help get an answer? Thank you,
----- Original Message ----- From: To: staff@equityrelations.com Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 3:38 PM Subject: QBID
Richard, Please explain to me how the information below is incorrect. This has been going around some of the internet message board sites for as long as I can remember. I've never seen any confirmation that the info is wrong. I really would appreciate your feedback on this. Thank you, Xxxxxx Xxxxxx Xxxxx, CT
Version #1 - "QTN may very well get a network together, but you don't own shares in QTN, you own shares in QBID. QBID is TMM. Frankie & Rene,per the WA Secretary of State wholly own all of QTN's unissued 75k shares. What piece of paper do you have proves you own stock in QTN?"
Version #2 - "QBID is a shell holding company. You don't own shares in QTN, its a wholly owned PRIVATE HOLDING!! "
QBID - TRIANGLE MULTIMEDIA LIMITED
UNIFIED BUSINESS ID #: 601 047 757
Category Regular Corporation Profit/Nonprofit Profit Active/Inactive Active State of Incorporation WA Date of Incorporation 05/08/1951 License Expiration Date 05/31/2005
Registered Agent Information Agent Name FRANK W OLSON Address 28609 14TH AVE SW City FEDERAL WAY State WA ZIP 98003
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QTN - Q TELEVISION NETWORK, INC
UNIFIED BUSINESS ID # : 602 391 767
FILED SECRETARY OF STATE SAM REED 8/9/04 DOC No: 458253-001
Address of Principal place of business in WA; 28609 14th Ave S, Federal Way, WA 98003
Telephone Number of Corporation: 206 312 2696
Briefly State nature of business in WA; Home office of TV network doing business in California
President; Frank Olsen, 28609 14th Ave S, Federal Way, WA 98003
Secretary: Rene Schenk, 303 N. Indian Cny Palm Springs CA 92262
Chair Bd. Directors; Frank Olsen, 28609 14th Ave S, Federal Way, WA 98003
Directors, Rene Schenk, 303 N. Indian Cny Palm Springs CA 92262. Marion Sherman, 303 N. Indian Cny Palm Springs CA 92262.
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quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: Ghosty: I find this blurb the most interesting:
Record expires on 16-Sep-2005 Record created on 16-Sep-1999 Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
Especially the last line, 8 months behind.What changes have been taken place since then? One habbit you are consistant with is partial information and out dated.
"Last updated" refers to the time when the contact information has been last updated. It has nothing to do with the website.
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OK fine. I will play along... below is another interesting post in reference to the above.
Ghosty, when you told ickity that folks over here said he was wrong in his postings you werent being quite truthful. I think it was more implied they were a lying not just incorrect.
Anyway, I went ahead and took the advice offered earlier and used the ignore link so debate all you want, hopefully others will do the same and you will be talking to a empty room.
Edited: I removed the repost below due to the fact that Matt is faster than me and has it above!!! Posts: 482 | From: Arizona | Registered: Mar 2005
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Once again you are giving partial information:
It says "Database" Where are the balance of the records or updates since Sept.16 2004 ?
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY:
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: Ghosty: I find this blurb the most interesting:
Record expires on 16-Sep-2005 Record created on 16-Sep-1999 Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
Especially the last line, 8 months behind.What changes have been taken place since then? One habbit you are consistant with is partial information and out dated.
"Last updated" refers to the time when the contact information has been last updated. It has nothing to do with the website.
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: Once again you are giving partial information:
It says "Database" Where are the balance of the records or updates since Sept.16 2004 ?
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY:
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: Ghosty: I find this blurb the most interesting:
Record expires on 16-Sep-2005 Record created on 16-Sep-1999 Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
Especially the last line, 8 months behind.What changes have been taken place since then? One habbit you are consistant with is partial information and out dated.
"Last updated" refers to the time when the contact information has been last updated. It has nothing to do with the website.
"database" refers to the last time the contact information or nameservers for the domain have been CHANGED. there's no "list of records" that show you every change made. you can't even find that out if you OWN the domain, aside from writing it down everytime you make a change.
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So your saying you only posted partial incomplete information because you have nothing up to date? Your consistant,thats for sure. I might suggest that if you did your own DD instead of just doing cut and paste from everyone else, you may not be so out of date.
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY:
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: Once again you are giving partial information:
It says "Database" Where are the balance of the records or updates since Sept.16 2004 ?
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY:
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: Ghosty: I find this blurb the most interesting:
Record expires on 16-Sep-2005 Record created on 16-Sep-1999 Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
Especially the last line, 8 months behind.What changes have been taken place since then? One habbit you are consistant with is partial information and out dated.
"Last updated" refers to the time when the contact information has been last updated. It has nothing to do with the website.
"database" refers to the last time the contact information or nameservers for the domain have been CHANGED. there's no "list of records" that show you every change made. you can't even find that out if you OWN the domain, aside from writing it down everytime you make a change.
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: So your saying you only posted partial incomplete information because you have nothing up to date? Your consistant,thats for sure. I might suggest that if you did your own DD instead of just doing cut and paste from everyone else, you may not be so out of date.
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY:
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: Once again you are giving partial information:
It says "Database" Where are the balance of the records or updates since Sept.16 2004 ?
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY:
quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: Ghosty: I find this blurb the most interesting:
Record expires on 16-Sep-2005 Record created on 16-Sep-1999 Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
Especially the last line, 8 months behind.What changes have been taken place since then? One habbit you are consistant with is partial information and out dated.
"Last updated" refers to the time when the contact information has been last updated. It has nothing to do with the website.
"database" refers to the last time the contact information or nameservers for the domain have been CHANGED. there's no "list of records" that show you every change made. you can't even find that out if you OWN the domain, aside from writing it down everytime you make a change.
That IS up to date. If there were any changes, the date would reflect it. Nothing is incomplete.
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quote:Originally posted by buckwheatbob: So your saying you only posted partial incomplete information because you have nothing up to date? Your consistant,thats for sure. I might suggest that if you did your own DD instead of just doing cut and paste from everyone else, you may not be so out of date.
lol
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same here, had an order all day at .002 but did'nt fill, finally moved it to .0021 to get a fill.
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hi everyone, i also jumped back in yesterday and today for almost 1 mil, which bring to 1.5 mil altogether...yahoo! Ghosty, what are you trying to do? we did go over this topic last year and leave it to rest. If you hold qbid shares, dont bash your own stock. If you dont hold qbid shares, then get lost cuz you are wasting everyone's time; go save the world, dont save our own money. Off topic, anyone banks tnog so far? cuz i did.
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Ghosty: You are obviously a F***ing Idiot. You are taking up space and iritating a lot of people. Go somewhere else and look in to getting some kind of useful existence.
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I have ghosty on ignore and still have the pain of seeing his dumba$$ posts! How do I remove him for good Bob????
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Todays date is April 28 2005. Your last update was :
Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
I must have got stuck in the stargate or something. There seems to be 8 month gap.
There HAS BEEN NO UPDATES since Sept 16, 2004. If anything changed, it would show the updated date. Thus, the current information is UP TO DATE.
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quote:Originally posted by tqn: hi everyone, i also jumped back in yesterday and today for almost 1 mil, which bring to 1.5 mil altogether...yahoo! Ghosty, what are you trying to do? we did go over this topic last year and leave it to rest. If you hold qbid shares, dont bash your own stock. If you dont hold qbid shares, then get lost cuz you are wasting everyone's time; go save the world, dont save our own money. Off topic, anyone banks tnog so far? cuz i did.
Own a bunch of shares. Not bashing this stock, posted a post that shows the relationship (if any) between QTN/QBID. Every investor who owns a share in this company needs to know this.
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Well I hate to do this since he seems hellbent on reposting ickitys garbage... but I have to defend Ghosty here.
The database update date Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004 means nothing. It is not out of date and it is not old information. It is completely accurate and current.
However, that is irrelevant to any of the discussions. All that date means is that was the last time that the owner, administrative contact, or technical contact submitted any changes to or information was verified by Network Solutions (or the registering company) in regards to that domain name.
For instance: aol dot com Updated Date: 24-nov-2004 cnn dot com Database last updated on 09-Jul-2004 allstocks dot com Last Updated on: 08-Dec-04 one of my personal domains Database last updated on 28-Jan-2005 (I actually moved physical addresses in Nov and it wasnt until Jan that I got around to updating it, before that the date was a 2002 date)
Of course it doesnt give creedence to any of the rest of the post and is completely irrelevant information in that post that was likely added to make it look like more "important" information was being provided when in reality it was just filler garbage in the post.
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quote:Originally posted by Rich735: I have ghosty on ignore and still have the pain of seeing his dumba$$ posts! How do I remove him for good Bob????
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No offence gHoStY, but you quoted someone else who had to pay $5 to obtain the information.... How do you all the sudden know that their have been NO MORE UPDATES? Either you are ikity-splits, or you are just plain stupid or something!!!!! Keeping your multiple aliases straight is not that easy is it?
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY: There HAS BEEN NO UPDATES since Sept 16, 2004. If anything changed, it would show the updated date. Thus, the current information is UP TO DATE.
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY: Very good post found on IHUB in regards to QTN/QBID.
Posted by: ikity-splits In reply to: behoof who wrote msg# 107317 Date:4/28/2005 2:18:30 PM Post #of 107341
I suggest you re-read the awkward phrasing AFTER you pull both Q Television Network, Inc. & Triangle Multi-Media's corporate filings from the Washington Secretary of State. I doled out the $5 to get a copy of Q's last filing, it annual report.
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quote:Originally posted by Ligge: Well I hate to do this since he seems hellbent on reposting ickitys garbage... but I have to defend Ghosty here.
The database update date Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004 means nothing. It is not out of date and it is not old information. It is completely accurate and current.
However, that is irrelevant to any of the discussions. All that date means is that was the last time that the owner, administrative contact, or technical contact submitted any changes to or information was verified by Network Solutions (or the registering company) in regards to that domain name.
For instance: aol dot com Updated Date: 24-nov-2004 cnn dot com Database last updated on 09-Jul-2004 allstocks dot com Last Updated on: 08-Dec-04 one of my personal domains Database last updated on 28-Jan-2005 (I actually moved physical addresses in Nov and it wasnt until Jan that I got around to updating it, before that the date was a 2002 date)
Of course it doesnt give creedence to any of the rest of the post and is completely irrelevant information in that post that was likely added to make it look like more "important" information was being provided when in reality it was just filler garbage in the post.
Hopefully he will believe you instead of trying to push the impression that what I said was "partial incomplete information" in regards to the WHOIS lookup.
And just to clear things up, I didn't write that post. I said it was a very good post since it is true.
People keep exclaiming: "THIS IS THEE BIGGEST LOAD OF CRAP I HAVE EVER READ!!! I don't say much about Q, but post like this are uncalled for.. It has no fact to it at all!!! How sick are you guys?" yet provide no reason as to why it has no fact at all. What part is fake? I'd like to know, too, so I can decide whether ickity should be trusted or not.
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ghosty ghosty ghosty... YOUR IN MY WORLD NO GRANDMA! This is assuming your talking about Qtv.com
first of all lets post the full information of everything you left out
This WHOIS database is provided for information purposes only. We do not guarantee the accuracy of this data. The following uses of this system are expressly prohibited: (1) use of this system for unlawful purposes; (2) use of this system to collect information used in the mass transmission of unsolicited commercial messages in any medium; (3) use of high volume, automated, electronic processes against this database. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.
Registrant: Autocue, Inc. 208 HARBOR DR STAMFORD, CT 06902-7467 US
Domain Name: QTV.COM
Administrative Contact: Autocue, Inc. Heather Millar 208 Harbor Drive Stamford, CT 06902 US 203-406-1400 203-323-3379 [fax] heather.millar@autocue.co.uk
Technical Contact, Zone Contact: QTV Shifrin, Yuriy 208 HARBOR DR STAMFORD, CT 06902-7467 US 212-460-9050 212-529-9679 [fax] yuriy@qtv.com
Domain created on 01-Oct-1995 Domain expires on 07-Apr-2006 Last updated on 05-Nov-2001
Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.TIERRA.NET NS2.TIERRA.NET
if memory serves me this information should be accurate accept for the updated portion which in all reality doesent need to be updated unless the registrant has changed locations, changed owners, or numbers you know the obvious information. Furthermore if they DO happen to have a change they need to make alot of times it takes quite a long time to replicate to the Domain name servers which your talking about 1000's of servers across the world.
Trust me i understand a little bit about this since i work on the 2nd largest network in the world, actually its the first largest network spanning over 215 countries but we cant be that dang ol internet that spans more areas then we can get too.
In any case why are you bringing this insignificant information up to be honest domain name information updates are petty. The only reason you would want to keep it up to day is if you were an ISO 9001 company and that would be it. So i guess my question about the domain is what affect does this have on anything or anyone EVEN when the lookup says "We do not guarantee the accuracy of this data".
again your in my world now grandma!
HAVE A NICE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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quote:Originally posted by FatherOfTwo: No offence gHoStY, but you quoted someone else who had to pay $5 to obtain the information.... How do you all the sudden know that their have been NO MORE UPDATES? Either you are ikity-splits, or you are just plain stupid or something!!!!! Keeping your multiple aliases straight is not that easy is it?
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY: There HAS BEEN NO UPDATES since Sept 16, 2004. If anything changed, it would show the updated date. Thus, the current information is UP TO DATE.
quote:Originally posted by gHoStY: Very good post found on IHUB in regards to QTN/QBID.
Posted by: ikity-splits In reply to: behoof who wrote msg# 107317 Date:4/28/2005 2:18:30 PM Post #of 107341
I suggest you re-read the awkward phrasing AFTER you pull both Q Television Network, Inc. & Triangle Multi-Media's corporate filings from the Washington Secretary of State. I doled out the $5 to get a copy of Q's last filing, it annual report.
No idea what you are trying to say, perhaps Ligge can explain your post to me... I don't think you understand domain registration/updates based on your post.
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my bad i could have sworn it was qtv.. thought is aw that somewhere ...
anywho here is the actual domain name information
Registrant: Make this info private Triangle MultiMedia Ltd. 810 N. Farrell Drive Palm Springs, CA 92262 US Phone: 760-322-1271 Fax: 123 123 1234
Domain Name: QBID.NET
Administrative Contact : Olsen, Frank frankceo@TRIANGLETELEVISIONNETWORK.COM 1000 E. Tahquitz Canyon Way Palm Springs, CA 92262 US Phone: (760) 322-1217 Fax: 327-2767
Technical Contact : Top2net LLC, dns@TOP2NET.NET 4050 AIRPORT CENTER DR PALM SPRINGS, CA 92264-1216 US Phone: 760-318-8176 Fax: 760-318-8186
Record expires on 16-Sep-2005 Record created on 16-Sep-1999 Database last updated on 16-Sep-2004
as i said i assumed it was qtv since it wasent clear in your post which domain you were talking about.
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