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firmbatch
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Uncle Milty,

I did not call but I sent an email. here it is. I wonder just how many stations are testing?


Subj: RE: AFRC Feedback Form
Date: 11/26/2003 5:35:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: "Ed Grysiewicz" <egrys@treesafe.com>
To: <gggrace@aol.com>
Sent from the Internet (Details)

Mr. Gagner:

One station is not news --- but many stations are... Stay
Tuned....

The link to the story is now up on
http:treesafe.com/testimonial.php

Ed Grysiewicz

-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@host.globalsecureserver.com
[mailto:nobody@host.globalsecureserver.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:16 AM
To: feedback@americanfireretardant.com
Subject: AFRC Feedback Form


Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted
by
() on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 at 14:15:52
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Customer_name:: Gregory G. Gagner

Email:: gggrace@aol.com

Feedback_content:: I was wondering why there was no press
release referencing the test of Treesafe that was done on
Nov 24th 2003 by News 12 in Wichita Kansas? One would think
that with such excellent results you would want to put it
out where all can see.

Thanks,

Greg.

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thanks greg. i am certainly going to "stay tuned in"

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E-mail sales dept. yesterday and they said they will get back with me. So they at least respond to e-mail.I ask if I could sell their product.
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This is interesting. The PTSO stock is up 120% This is the company that is working with AFRR???

PTS Products International Inc. Announces Exclusive Licensing Agreement with Glove Box Inc.
12/1/2003 9:01:00 AM
LAS VEGAS, Dec 1, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- PTS Products International Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of PTS Inc. ( PTSO ), today announced that the company has successfully negotiated a definitive agreement with Glove Box Inc. for the exclusive marketing, manufacturing and distribution of the Glove Box(TM) in China for worldwide use. The agreement is effective immediately.

The patented, revolutionary Glove Box(TM) is the only product that offers contamination reduction through automated glove dispensing. The prototype Glove Box(TM) system, a free-standing dispenser of disposable latex gloves, is under development now. The Glove Box(TM) is designed for targeting sterile, protective and clean room environments, and the applications are numerous, including the healthcare industry, dental industry, laboratories, health and beauty applications, manufacturing, food service and others. In 2002 the worldwide market for this single-use product was 38 billion glove sets.

China's recent accession into the World Trade Organization has greatly liberalized the rules relating to U.S. ownership interests in Chinese companies and technologies. PTS Inc. intends to continue using its contacts and experience in this major market to identify leading Chinese companies that either have a product or technology that PTS Inc. could assist in its marketing and distribution, or that desires a U.S. presence in which PTS Inc. could use its publicly traded status as it relates to possible acquisition/spin-outs in ways that significantly benefit both these companies and PTS shareholders.

For more information about PTS Inc., please visit the company's Web site: .

Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this news release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results.

SOURCE: PTS Inc.



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Just to clarify...

American Fire Retardant Announces License Agreement for the GloveBox With PTS Products International, Inc.
11/14/2003 9:15:00 AM
SAN DIEGO, Nov 14, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- American Fire Retardant Corp. ( AFRR ) announced today that PTS Products International, Inc. (PTSPI, a wholly-owned corporation of PTS, Inc.) has signed a licensing agreement to manufacture the GloveBox(TM) in China for worldwide use. PTSPI is currently in negotiations with manufacturing firms in China to join with the GloveBox(TM) design team in bringing the product from alpha and beta designs into full-scale production within 3-6 months.

The GloveBox(TM) is a revolutionary, patented, automated latex glove dispenser targeting sterile (medical, laboratory), protective (dental, health, beauty, janitorial) and clean room (manufacturing) environments that solves a long-standing contamination problem caused by the normal retrieval and donning of gloves from a standard glove box. With its patented, free-standing dispenser (looking much like a small filing cabinet), users select from two glove sizes, slip their hands through sealed openings into air-filled gloves, then hit a foot switch to release the gloves onto their hands. A significant benefit of the GloveBox(TM) is its unique design feature that permits the dispensing of un-powdered gloves that are increasingly the cause of both contamination and communicable health problems.

Stephen F. Owens, President of American Fire Retardant Corp, said, "We are extremely pleased to have PTS Products International, Inc. representing us in producing and distributing the GloveBox(TM) in China and the Far East. As announced in our October 1st press release, we are preparing four redesigned units to be ready within the next several weeks. These units will now be going to China when they are ready. Through its strong, established relations, PTSPI seeks to quickly penetrate China's rapidly expanding medical and dental markets. Other key relationships will permit rapid deployment into other industries."

The market for sterile, protective and clean room gloves is growing at over 10% annually with 38.6 billion sets of gloves sold worldwide in 2002. Malaysia supplies 60% of the world's glove demand. U.S. sales in 2002 were 62% of the world glove market (24.1 billion pairs) totaling $1.4 billion. (2002, Cahners)

The GloveBox(TM) is the only product that currently offers contamination reduction through automated glove dispensing. With recent viral and medical scares (SARS, Anthrax, Ebola), the worldwide need for protective and sterile gloves is rising dramatically, fueled by third-world nations with an urgent requirement for improved sterile and protective measures.

The President and CEO of PTSPI, Peter S. Chin, is a Chinese-born U.S. citizen with over thirty years of extensive business experience in both U.S. and Asian markets. With successful business ventures in bio-engineering, highway transportation, restaurants, gaming, sports promotion, Internet and public company ownership, Mr. Chin's vast network of business contacts in the Far East favorably positions PTSPI to quickly launch its manufacturing and distribution in China. PTSPI will market the GloveBox(TM) through Chinese distribution companies with strong networks throughout China and active agents in the following major application markets: Medical, Dental, Laboratory and Manufacturing.

PTSPI projects that sustainable product profit margins of over 30% following the initial start-up year highlight the profitability potential of their business model. Two primary products comprise the PTSPI product family and both products carry margins necessary to absorb two distributor levels, a common occurrence in international markets.

Stephen F. Owens concluded by saying, "We feel this product is a revolutionary idea that can help in preventing contamination and communicable health problems, especially in the medical and dental fields, and that PTS Products International, Inc. is the right company to help make the GloveBox(TM) a huge success."

About American Fire Retardant Corporation

American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB:AFRR - ), is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant products. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations.

Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this news release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe-harbor provisions of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the Company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results.

SOURCE: American Fire Retardant Corp.



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old mullet
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thanks lloyd. it seems we are back on track here to play this to our benefit. some of you already know how this works and others i hope are learning out of the over 250 m shares traded so far today many were people who could have bought this at the bottom of a cycle instead of on a run up if they had been watching what this stock has been doing since it gathered interest at .0012.

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This could have been a great product for "QVC" during the holidays. I wonder if AFRR thought of this as a possible distribution route?
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Im out of it, what a ride.That was my final ride. Best wishes to AFRR.
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I am with you Blackice. Sold most at .0037. Holding just a little to see where it takes us.

[This message has been edited by BetNitAll (edited December 01, 2003).]


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adios and good luck to both of you. i hope you find something that suits your trading styles. afrr has been really good for me. i almost feel like having a cigarrette, except i don't smoke. must have seen it in the movies.

it was less than three weeks since it's last pop to .0047 on news, with a holiday and short trading day in the middle. really not that long to wait unless you you are type a. watch this one continue this pattern until just before santa starts loading the sleigh.

it seems to be in the sideways movement i mentioned earlier today and vol has dropped to almost nothing. the chart looks like lack luster till the bell and maybe into the next news we will see some more opportunities to load up again.

i'm off to band practice.

uncle milty


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Good luck guys, I understand and respect your
decisions; it's been a rough ride. Still, I think I'm gonna' hang around a bit longer.
This rally stalled at .004; maybe we'll form
a new level of support here around .0035, and
start going back up. 'Sure hope so !!
Good luck all !!!

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Old mullet what do you think about the large markets in the U.S. for next year.I was thinking options to safeguard my recent gains. I think problems are around the corner (first of the year). Thinking about shorting all the U.S. major markets(for protection of capital)
I think the U.S. has forgotten about the threats still out there. The 2 biggest enemys of the U.S. are still at large. Not saying I will not trade but I plan on moving alot of larger accounts (mutual funds) to global type funds. I also think we still have big problems in IRAQ.I do not know how the pennys or subpennys will react if we do have problems.


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Has AFFR changed their call letters?
I cant get them to show up on my screen.
FNIX also.
Tony

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Tony,
The symbol is AFRR not AFFR. I do not know about the other one as I am not in it.

Thanks,

Greg.


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lloyd,

i think that with so much uncertainty in global politics, and the usa working to drive the dollar lower, what will happen next WEEK depends allot on what happens this week. it is a very hard call, but i am not an options guy. times are too uncertain. i always go to land when i am in doubt. i am starting to invest in land again with this years profits on wall street, and will save about 20-25% as seed money for next summer left in my most conservative and most promising long term plays. soon i will be so involved in the music scene that i will vastly simplify what i am doing now. i usually do my intensive trading from may to november, but am having such a good year so far i am hanging in till the end of dec to set a personal record hopefully.

uncle milty


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I'm really getting tired of seeing "NO-BURN" commercials. Where the heck is the "TREESAFE" commercials? I just watched another expose on "NO-BURN" on "Good Day Live" which is a national show broadcast out of L.A. They continue to get crazy exposure for their product and they are not even actively trading. AFRR needs to spend some money to step it up on the marketing end.
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yesterday's pr did say they were stepping up their tv marketing plan. i don't know why they don't have people working 24/7 to get the word out.

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If you look at last year very closely. You will see that there were s-8 filed, lots of crazy things that happened to the stock like it is now. It went up and down. Still, it shot up like a rocket ship. This year they are in better shape then they were last year. I think they have more in line then they are telling us. I wonder if they have a date set to just let go all deals and suddenly do major adds. This is a trickly little stock but I don't see how we won't hit the pennies within 2-3 weeks. If you surf the old news a year ago and look at detailed charts then, you will see there is nothing to worry about here. This all happened last year too and it hit double penny digets. My sell order is in for around .10 cents.
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no worrys yet, a little strange, but penny stocks are pretty strange in general. this one has been fun in a way. kind of like cmkm, full of mystery and uncertainty, but at least the price moves. i have actually done very well with this.

come on baby light my fire, or, er,...should that be put out my fire.

if this hits .01 i will have made 100k. if it were to get out of the copper range i think i'll book a suite on the "queen" for ms mullet and i.

uncle milty


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i cant buy AFRR with ameritrade. anyone with the same problem?
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I had a buy order in with freetrade (i did cancel cause I saw something else), no problems here and it should be okey with ameritrade.
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i have also been buying this again today through ameritrade. i didn't think .0031 would come up so fast. the shorter the cycle time the faster the returns. hope the next news is good for a little more.

uncle milty


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wish I had more cash to average down like you mullet. I see you play a smart game. Your able to cover yourself well in any given situation.
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YOUR "NO-BURN" TREE JUICE IS RUNNING A NATIONAL ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN. NATIONAL AND NOT PIECE/AREA LOCALS LIKE AFRR. WALMART CONTRACTED WITH N0-BURN BACK IN JULY '03 FOR SUPPLY AND RETAIL.

SAMS CLUB COMBINED ADVERTISING RIGHTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL TAGS. WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT SAMS CLUB GETS TO POST THEIR LOGO ON THE BOTTOM OF COMMERCIALS AND THE COMMERICAL TELLS YOU SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE PRODUCT IS LOCATED AND WALMART FORKED OVER CASH FOR ADVERTISING BUT HOW MUCH I DO NOT KNOW. RECALL THOSE CHIA-PETS? ACE HARDWARE WAS AN EXCLUSIVE DISTRIBUTION RETAILER AND FOR SUCH EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS, THEY PAID FOR 30% OF THE ADVERTISING COSTS AS A JOINT VENTURE. NOT EXACTLY SURE IF THE 30% IS CORRECT SINCE IT WAS SOME TIME AGO FOR ME TO RECALL.... I THINK IT WAS A BIT MORE.


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Actually I think no-burn is the other product. We have Treesafe here

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But I like the prospects of this company. Good short term gain I would imagine. If I wasn't over extended, I would buy some more. Seems like a good price.
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emun,

i actually brought up my apps average with yesterday's buys at .0031. before the buys i was holding 12.8m shares @ .0019 apps. i will treat yesterdays buys as a separate deal and work the pops to bring down the apps. really the same thing in a way, since i no longer have any buys higher to knock off to avoid st capital gain tax.

uncle milty


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Uncle Mitly good call on guess of it going below .003 again. Im watching this baby, getting ready to buy in again. I want it @ .0025. It disgusting on how many weak hands are in this stock.

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Hi All,
I have .0049 in my AFRR holdings....
All this waiting is really testing my patience.
Guess I will hang on 'till closer to Christmas. Hopefully, we will get some good news before then that will make the stock jump.
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you can almost bet the stock will move on news. i am in for another m at .0028.

out of 35 stocks in my portfolio there isn't one news item today. very rare. monday should be an explosive day for a few of these.

my sweetheart, trph is up over .50 again today. this was a .24 stock in may and i have made out really holding this long. type into a quote and look at a 1 year chart.

uncle milty


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quote:
Originally posted by old mullet:
you can almost bet the stock will move on news. i am in for another m at .0028.

out of 35 stocks in my portfolio there isn't one news item today. very rare. monday should be an explosive day for a few of these.

my sweetheart, trph is up over .50 again today. this was a .24 stock in may and i have made out really holding this long. type into a quote and look at a 1 year chart.

uncle milty


Wow! $5.87 as I write...no wonder you call it your sweetheart! Excellent choice, congradulations.
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uncle u think that afrr would go over 004 by x-mas??? need advice here which i asked you in pghi board also..if you can please thanks


quote:
Originally posted by old mullet:
you can almost bet the stock will move on news. i am in for another m at .0028.

out of 35 stocks in my portfolio there isn't one news item today. very rare. monday should be an explosive day for a few of these.

my sweetheart, trph is up over .50 again today. this was a .24 stock in may and i have made out really holding this long. type into a quote and look at a 1 year chart.

uncle milty



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Once we get some sales figures on treesafe, this will move. Hopefully they'll get a PR before x-mas (since most people get a tree 3 weeks before x-mas, they won't have many sales the week of the 25th)

So I'm holding till then, I dont think I'll be in this next year. Might pick it up again if there is news of getting 3-1Hero in a chain like walmart


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true it could be a winner in the long term, yet i dont see why we cant play it short, buy at sub .003 levels and sell at mid .003s seeming thats how it has been playing lately

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Originally posted by Moose:
Once we get some sales figures on treesafe, this will move. Hopefully they'll get a PR before x-mas (since most people get a tree 3 weeks before x-mas, they won't have many sales the week of the 25th)

So I'm holding till then, I dont think I'll be in this next year. Might pick it up again if there is news of getting 3-1Hero in a chain like walmart



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anyone having problem buying afrr through ameritrade??? They are not accepting my calls...anyone?
quote:
Originally posted by trader01:
true it could be a winner in the long term, yet i dont see why we cant play it short, buy at sub .003 levels and sell at mid .003s seeming thats how it has been playing lately



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