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Moose
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if it gets past 0.005...I don't see why it shouldn't take off to about 0.05...thats just my opinion though
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i was buying all the way down to .0031. hope i'm not wrong now that i am into the 8th digit the shares column for this one.

what a morning!!!!!!!!!

uncle milty


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A Fast RolleRocoaster
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Thats what it means.

This stock took so many peoples money today, that suffered from panic selling. Im still trying to get out today @ .0038. Once im out im taking a day off to regroup. I think ive been trading to fast over the past week or so, in and out every damn day except today. AFRR is holding me down.

Old Mullet, your them man, how many shares did you manage to buy at .0031? Shoot I ran out of money lol, to keep averaging down. Ill still be up about $100 or so if i get out at .0038.

Could tomorrow be a mid-week report on commerical sales. Who knows?


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Expect more weak hands the last hour, that could cause the price to drop. If i cant get out today, Im expecting a strong open. Reason being is the MMM BAMMM is pretty much running this stock and his ask is at .004,so Im expecting it to hit that by tomorrow. So im not to worried as I was around 10:30 A.M.
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i use to love waking up at 6:30 am to watch the opening bell watch the market it was like a movie till AFRR came along like adamn nightmare that dont leave till i sell and i know if i sell it will blow up so know i sleep in and wake up to the night mare guys whats going on im going crazy i got 413500 shares and dont ask me how they got so odd but we need a rally or something f*******K
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Whoever is in this stock at a steal price. (Anything under .0036), congrats to ya. It seems like something strange is going on w/ afrr though, b/c its usually post news like every 2 days or so, its insane. Now theres some sort of silence.

Mental Thoughts
::Is there treesafe really safe::
::Is this what MMM's do, so they can give freeshares to the company holders before a big jump::
::Are they making any money::
: id I **** up, buying this::


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ice, i picked up another 3m shares today between .0031 and .0035.

it is getting to a point where unless it falls to it's recent support again i am done buying, as my usual big aon buys aren't changing my apps enough anymore.

time and sales showed lots of small trades today. falling through that .004 support really was a psychological trigger for smaller investors. what a way to start the week!!!

its wild when .0001 moves my bottom line by almost 1300 greenbacks! guess how much i would like this to go copper.

so you had better be careful reading my posts. if i buy much more, you will see "mull" on level II. lol

do your dd. i saw it in a burning bush---or was that a christmas tree.

uncle milty


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I did some more brief T.A. on AFRR and realized that it S***. I really cant stand this, this stock F***ed weak hands twice today. Once 1 1/2 Hour into the market, and then the last 3 after the market close. What a spread to end w/ .0032/.0037. Its just beautiful. AFRR better come out w/ some kick ass news to make this stock spin, otherwise there may be another drop =(
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I'm crying UNCLE!!!!

The burning bush - christmas tree got me...
Thanks for a good hearted laugh!!


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SHOOT we should make a homeade commercial of burning a Christmas tree, and try to sell the product. I bet wed make more. Geez, wheres the sales reports at, come on. This stock is beginning to be so lame. If it goes to .003, im buying more. =D. Im not letting this suckers suck me in, every dime i put in it,im getting out and then some!
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Guys, I think we need to take this into our own hands. Call Walmart, Home Depot, Sears, CVS, etc...

One contract with wal mart, home depot or sears and this stock is too the moon!

Try to reach the top 10 of these companies by email or phone.



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the big chains carrying it is what i was counting on. do they make it for palm trees too?

uncle milty


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well everything I've looked at: charts, techs, my gut: indicate that this should move up (when? maybe when we get some PR's )

anyway...hopefully I'll be able to pick some up tomorrow around 0.0032, I hope


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Hey Guys, does anyone else think the price drop has anything to do with the new shares the company has/will issue?

I think this one might dip a little more before it will pick up.

Plf


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IF YOU PEOPLE ARE BASING YOUR STOCK WISHES ON AFRR BECAUSE OF A "NEW" PRODUCT FOR CHRISTMAS THE FOLLOWING APPLIES:

WE'RE NOT EVEN PAST THANKSGIVING, HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BOUGHT A TREE OR ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING?

HOW MUCH PRODUCT AND HOW DIFFICULT WOULD THIS PRODUCT BE TO SHIP OUT TO JUST ABOUT EVERY OUTLET THAT SELLS TREES. JUST WALMART ALONE, SAY 25 BOTTLE PER STORE AND YOUR INTO 5+ MILLION BOTTLES AT WALMART ALONE. FURTHERMORE, YOU HAVE TO CREATE 5 MILLION BOTTLES AND FIRE-STUFF IN THOSE BOTTLES. AFRR DOESN'T HAVE THE CASH RESERVES FOR THAT PURCHASE LET ALONE MOST OTHER MAJOR OUTLETS.

IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A AFRR RETURN BASED UPON SOME FORMULA TO SAVE TREES FROM FLAMES, YOU'LD BE REALISTIC TO PLAN ON NEXT CHRISTMAS JUST TO FULFIL THE ORDERS FROM SEVERAL BIG OUTLETS THAT WANT YOUR STUFF.

FURTHERMORE, THERE IS NO NATIONAL ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN WITH THIS COMMERCIAL. UNLESS YOU GET SOME BIG BACKERS TO PUT UP THE PARTNERSHIP FOR ADVERTISING, KEEP LOOKING FOR YOUR COMMERICAL THAT YOU PROBABLY WONT SEE. A COMMERCIAL AND A NATIONAL COMMERCIAL ARE 2-DIFFERENT STORIES.

AFRR JUMPED ABOUT 2 OR SO MONTHS AGO FROM .0039 AND UP 175% IN ONE DAY. NO PRODUCT, NO PR, NO NOTHING.

I SAID IT BEFORE AND HERE IT GOES AGAIN; YOUR STOCK WILL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO FLOP UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS AND THEN WHEN YOU ALL DUMP YOUR STOCK AND SWEAR UP A STORM ABOUT AFRR, JAN 4, 04 THE STOCK WILL CLIMB 600% ON NO PR, NO PRODUCT, NO NOTHING.


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WOW what an attitude. It all games and fun. NOT!!I mean i was joking, but if you want me to shoot some real info on afrr I shall give me about an hour.
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Your funny there Blackice. I realized what was really going on with your opinions last week and respected them. BUT by the time I wrote an appology post......I couldnt submit it (the next day) since my privileges were suspended. Hmmm....sounds like you either whined to the administrator....or good ol Kevin is at it again like eddiiiee said.
HOWEVER...no matter what happened, I again appologize since my original post couldnt go through. I simply enjoy watching peoples thoughts on the penny stocks. I havent seen so much emotion invloved in any other sector. I have profitably traded the QQQs for several years, but I really enjoy putting in a little $$ into these. I noticed your post and seemed like it was someone who just wanted to bash for no reason. Then I kept reading more of your posts and wanted to appologize for my remark.
The only penny stocks I am bullish on is AFRR & XRMD. I am bullish because of their potential to really make it. If not....dont ever let your emotions make the trade decisions for you. Have fun and hold on for the wild ride. ENJOY trading!
Blackice, I truly wish you a profitable and prosperus trading future. Learn from the other penny trading vets we have available to us in here. I appologize for mixing you up with the other argumentive bashers in here.
GO AFRR!!
QUOTE]Originally posted by blackice318:
emnuah, i guess i feel a little better. Damn you bought really high,and for you to not be stressed is just awesome. Since I daytrade my patients is thin, but I shall not become a victim of panic selling. Qtrader where are you @ these days w/ afrr . This stock makes me wanna puke though =/[/QUOTE]


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Hmmm.....I definently didnt report you to the administrator. I strictly focus on stocks and discussion with others,whether investors,daytraders,bashers, or whoever. Id never report someone for bashing me.

Remember my man
"It's not what you know, its what you can prove"

And I knew what you had to say about AFRR wasnt factual, because its wasnt backed up with supporting information. I also wish you the best of luck, and hope you join the daytrading team.LOL.

Ummm....Ive been doing good if you have followed all my post,i usually know what Im doing but Ive definently got stuck in AFRR for more than a day, which isnt a good feeling considering how Im in and out of stocks like Im crazy. I dont really let my emotions get into the stock, more into discussion about the stocks because its another way to learn, and another way to discuss how you feel vs. others about stocks.

Still reasearchin in-depth with AFRR. SUPPORTING INFO ON THE WAY.STAY TUNED.


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Take it FWIW...I'm still gonna' hold onto what I have. http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1049234/000101540203004698/0001015402-03-004698.txt
Good luck !!!

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Thanks man,im almost done.
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Breakout, it appears that AFRR is not doing all that well based on the link you posted. Or am I missing something?

I am very new to this and maybe my interpretation is off?

Plf


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According to the technicals of the charts in reference to the stochaistics and RSI the stock is oversold.

Its a slight indication that shares to be bought will definently help the levels of this stock as far as the trend of incline, but doesnt play a real major role in the PPS.

According to the Technical Analysis its considered to be a Medium Term and Long Term Stock. Therefore that sucks for me, but charting changes everday so who knows.

According to www.sharpcharts.com the stock is under the 20DMA & 32DMA. Therefore this stock is definently a steal below .004 levels.

The only things this stock lacks is support and I guess capital. It seems that the 10q posted is displaying some sort of loss thats rubbing off on the stock price. Weak hands are releasing there shares, thinking this stock shall continue to decline. Kind of reminds me of GOAM. But anywho.....

U4TSAF2
You must understand retail marketing before you go talking about something you dont understand. Lets say Wal-mart were looking for new manufacturers for the Christmas season. AFRR may have the opportunity to offer there product along with its benefits of why it would sell. If AFRR can display a valueable business plan, anythings possible. Besides, most companies offer prototypes or samples to companies to receieve input or feedback. If Wal-mart was interested in this stock,trust me AFRR would be able to create revenue one of two ways.

1.Present a awesome business plan to the bank for a loan
2.Wal-Mart Specially order the bottles, therefore they wont have to worry about sales if they purchase a selected volume because they would already be compensated.

Why Jan 4th,2004 you think this stock shall go up?


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HOW COME I KNEW I WOULD GET A INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS WHOM THINK I'M WRONG.

WELL FIRST OFF, MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT IS CORRECT.

NOW BLACK, YOU STATE THAT THE TECHNICALS OF THE CHARTS AFRR IS OVERSOLD. QUESTION THEN IS IF THIS IS THE CASE, HOW AND WHY DID THE STOCK JUMP 175% IN A SINGLE DAY ABOUT 1 1/2 MONTHS AGO WITH NO PR, NO INFO, NO PRODUCT, NO NOTHING? THAT JUMP IS IMPOSSIBLE ON A "OVER-SOLD" STOCK. IMPOSSIBLE AND AGAIN, ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.

EVERY STOCK IS A MEDIUM TO LONG TERM HOLD NO MATTER WHAT MARKET YOU DEAL WITH. WHILE MOST ON THIS BOARD ARE DEFINITELY NOT HAPPY UNLESS THEY CAN RIDE THOSE FREE SHARES AFTER MAKING A 500% GAIN IN 12 MINUTES.

A INVESTOR THAT PLAYS THE SHORT HOLD GAIN WILL BE OUT OF MONEY IN NO TIME. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE.

RETAIN MARKETING I DON'T UNDERSTAND?

WALMART HAS NO CARE/CONCERN/INTEREST ABOUT AFRR STOCK. AFRR HAS TO GOTO WALMART, SHOW THEM A PRODUCT, SPRAY A TREE AND SET IT ON FIRE AND SHOW THAT THE TREE WONT BURN. WALMART SAYS WOW, WHAT A GREAT PRODUCT, WE WANT 25 PER STORE AND WE NEED THEM DELIVERED IN 10-DAYS. AFRR NOW FREAKS OUT BECAUSE THEY JUST POSTED A QUARTER LOSS AND HAVE TO SCRAMBLE TO COME UP WITH 5 MILLION BOTTLES IN 10-DAYS. NOW THAT IS WALMART, WHAT ABOUT ACE, HOME DEPOT, HOME SHOPPING, K-MART, ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC. WITH A DOCUMENTED LOSS AND NO CASH IN THE BANK, YOU CAN ISSUE MORE STOCK TO RAISE CAPITAL OR CHOSE VENTURE CAPITAL WHICH WILL GRANT MONEY BUT THEY NOW OWNS 51% OF YOUR BUSINESS.

A BANK LOAN FOR SEED FINANCING? SEED FINANCING IS FOR A NEW PRODUCT OF ANY TYPE, NEW NAIL, GLUE, TELEVISION, ETC. AND THE CASH IS TO GROW THAT CERTAIN PRODUCT. CALL YOUR LOCAL BANK AND TELL THEM YOU HAVE A NEW LAWNMOWER THAT IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING, HOME DEPOT JUST ORDERED 1500 OF THEM AND YOU NEED SOME SEED MONEY AND SEE WHAT YOU GET. LET ALONE ONE TO A PUBLIC TRADED COMPANY WITH A STOCK PRICE OF .0038... BUT MR. BANK, LOOK AT MY AWESOME MARKET PLAN, IT REALLY LOOKS GOOD. GOSH WALMART, YOU MEAN YOU WONT PAY ME $15 MILLION DOLLARS IN ADVANCE TO COVER MY COSTS OF PRODUCING 5 MILLION BOTTLES FOR YOUR WALMART STORES BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY SELL THEM???

HELLO MR. MANUFACTURER WHO MAKES MY FIRE-PROOF TREE JUICE, YEA WALMART ORDERED 5 MILLION BOTTLES, K-MART ORDERED 3 MILLION, ACE ORDERED 1 MILLION AND I GOT ANOTHER 11 MILLION MISC ORDERS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED. CAN YOU MAKE ALL THAT FOR ME AND BILL ME LATER AFTER WE SELL ALL THE PRODUCT?

AH, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND RETAIL MARKETING????

SO THIS IDIOT (ME) WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT RETAIL MARKETING/INVESTING WILL JUST ACCEPT YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE AND EXCELLENT DD WORK ON AFRR TO SHOW WHY/HOW THIS STOCK WILL MOVE, IS OVER-SOLD, AND HOW AFRR WILL GET THIS "NEW" PRODUCT ON THE STORE SHELVES.

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According to the technicals of the charts in reference to the stochaistics and RSI the stock is oversold.

Its a slight indication that shares to be bought will definently help the levels of this stock as far as the trend of incline, but doesnt play a real major role in the PPS.

According to the Technical Analysis its considered to be a Medium Term and Long Term Stock. Therefore that sucks for me, but charting changes everday so who knows.

According to www.sharpcharts.com the stock is under the 20DMA & 32DMA. Therefore this stock is definently a steal below .004 levels.

The only things this stock lacks is support and I guess capital. It seems that the 10q posted is displaying some sort of loss thats rubbing off on the stock price. Weak hands are releasing there shares, thinking this stock shall continue to decline. Kind of reminds me of GOAM. But anywho.....

U4TSAF2
You must understand retail marketing before you go talking about something you dont understand. Lets say Wal-mart were looking for new manufacturers for the Christmas season. AFRR may have the opportunity to offer there product along with its benefits of why it would sell. If AFRR can display a valueable business plan, anythings possible. Besides, most companies offer prototypes or samples to companies to receieve input or feedback. If Wal-mart was interested in this stock,trust me AFRR would be able to create revenue one of two ways.

1.Present a awesome business plan to the bank for a loan
2.Wal-Mart Specially order the bottles, therefore they wont have to worry about sales if they purchase a selected volume because they would already be compensated.

Why Jan 4th,2004 you think this stock shall go up?



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Wal-Mart was only give as an example.

Well first off your previous statement is incorrect

U4TSAF2, if you look at the technicals on AFRR you will notice and just like any stock is what we call trends. Usually most stocks follow a certain pattern or trend, and that was the first time AFRR had some sort of breakout so quickly.

&qout"A INVESTOR THAT PLAYS THE SHORT HOLD GAIN WILL BE OUT OF MONEY IN NO TIME. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE.""

Thats ridiculously funny. Ive turned $500 into over $2K in less than 1 month. You cant tell me that there isnt any exceptions to the rules b/c i just broke them.

Your statements seems more speculative or opinionated.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL THIS STOCK WILL GO UP JAN 4, 2004!


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I was in SAM'S Saturday and noticed a full pallet of "No Burn" fire protectant for Christmas trees. Has anyone heard of this? Do we know if it is associated with AFRR?
BTW- the pallet was at the front when you entered and there were none sold at that time.(Ofcourse, no Trees sold yet either)
This is in Va.

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ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ALERT

ENOUGH FIGHTING, I HAVE INSIDE INFO NOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON DEALS WITH A FEW MAJOR CHAINS AS WE SPEAK. I TELL YOU THIS AS A GIFT!


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Need some advice please. I am in to AFRR with 50,000 @ .0012. Is it a good idea to average up? I am thinking about buying more but I am unsure if this would be a good idea? Uncle Milty can you give me some advice?

Thanks,

Greg.


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American Fire Retardant Corp. Announces Launch of National Ad Campaign for TreeSafe
WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 19, 2003 9:15 AM
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SAN DIEGO, Nov 19, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- American Fire Retardant Corp. (AFRR) announced today that the national cable and broadcast direct response television advertising campaign for their TreeSafe product will begin airing this Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003. According to Scott Paternoster, president of Chief Media NYC, "Our company has launched the TreeSafe national direct-response television advertising campaign. The 60-second spots will air on more than 60+ stations and will run over 300 spots in both national cable and local broadcast in the week beginning this Saturday." Paternoster explains, "The campaign will build in volume every week throughout the remainder of the holiday season. It will be expanded into more national cable and local broadcast stations as it continues." Paternoster concluded by saying, "The following markets were chosen because of consumer research: Albany, Denver, Detroit, Norfolk, Philadelphia, Richmond and Syracuse, plus other local markets."

Paternoster explains, "The ads will run as Direct Response rotations, i.e., they are bought in blocks so precise timing and airing is determined by the media provider, not by Chief Media."

Steve Owens, president of AFRC, was pleased to announce, "This campaign was recently inaugurated and supplements the previously arranged campaign that will also begin airing shortly." Owens concluded by saying, "We have invested hundreds of thousands of media dollars to insure the sales success of TreeSafe and expect a successful holiday season."

About American Fire Retardant Corp.

American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB: AFRR -- www.americanfireretardant.com) is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant products. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations.

SOURCE: American Fire Retardant Corp.


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A lot of good points have been made. The bottom line is, AFRR is a very speculative stock. Another thing, anything is possible with these OTCBB stocks; up 4000% in one day,
though hardly common. Sometimes charts, analysis, etc tell us one things and these stocks do something entirely different. Not at all that we should abandon using TA, but common sense takes a trader a long way at times too.
I'm still holding onto what I have; MM's are getting a lot of cheap shares; you think their just doing it for the fun of it, or to
sell to some trader when they thing pops up again. I'd put my money on the fact that they're out to make a nice profit, be it next week or next year.
Good luck all !!!

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greg, i was buying heavily from .004 down. if you have shares at the original price from when we started discussing this and it doesn't represent a significant part of your portfolio i would be inclined to hold all. were talking $600, and i think we saw a short term bottom yesterday.

it is very hard to give advice without knowing your specific circumstances.

for me 11.2m shares isn't a big deal. for you your position might be.

lets see what happens. the mms will be selling back what they scored yesterday after driving down the price with the help of the panic sellers who had never seen a 10 qsb before. they are almost always scary. they are often brutally pessimistic.

i have been buying and selling this since you got in and have no plans to stop. so if you decide th jump on board after this gets into the mid .004's you might be buying my shares. i hope to have 6-7 m free shares before christmas.

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Thanks Uncle Milty. I put in a buy order for 10,000 @.003 today. Do you think there is any chance of it getting filled?

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greg, always a chance, but it looks like it is liking the .0036-.0038 range right now. but it's early. this news might wear out by mid day. if it get's to .003 i'm in line already.

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Just getting back from class, luckily I was able to get out at .0038 making a minimum gain. Nothing to throw a party at. Im going to watch this closely, because its really no telling what its going to do. It gotta do some sort of bounce recovery. Also EMNU where did you get this information, how soon do you think these deals will go in place?
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Orders set at
.0032
.0031
.0030
Im ready for it now,ill feel a little more confident at least.

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Hey Old Mullet, any thought of where you think afrr might go after sales? 2 cents maybe 3?

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