Here is a PR from last year at this time.... does this sound familiar?

AFRC Adds TreeSafe To Its Xmas List
11/26/2002 11:51:00 AM
SAN DIEGO, Nov 26, 2002 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- American Fire Retardant Corp. (AMFR) launches TreeSafe, its new spray-on Xmas tree fire retardant product just in time for the holidays. According to fire officials predictions, there will be over 1,200 holiday-related fires and 190 injuries and deaths - plus the untold millions in property damage this year alone. With TreeSafe most of those fires could have been prevented. According to Steve Owens, AFRC's president, "We recently formed a joint-venture with Teknowlage to design and develop an Internet eCommerce TreeSafe website. In addition, Teknowlage will also implement an aggressive email marketing and advertising campaign to promote the product and drive traffic to the site. We expect that this approach will quickly extend our reach all across North America. Visitors to the website will also find useful fire safety tips, as well as important information about how to best care for their tree." The website is - http://www.treesafe.com. Jim Wheeler AFRC's marketing director says, "To enhance the direct response aspect of the TreeSafe website, Fawcett Productions has produced both a 60 second and 2 minute television commercial. The two television spots are part of a plan that we are putting together for Per Inquiry firms to air the TreeSafe commercials based on a revenue sharing model." "TreeSafe is an outstanding product with a great market potential. The product is non-toxic, non-corrosive, kid and pet friendly." He adds, "TreeSafe doesn't discolor tree needles and reduces needle drop." TreeSafe is expected to sell for $12.95 plus shipping and handling. AFRC has recently moved its corporate offices and manufacturing plant to a larger facility. The new address is 9316 Wheatlands Road, Suite C, Santee, CA 92071. American Fire Retardant Corp. is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant chemicals. The company provides fire resistive finishing services through its "Textile Processing Center" for commercial users. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations. Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this new release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results. There can be no assurance as to the amount of revenue that will be generated from the TreeSafe commercial or website.

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Originally posted by old mullet:

thanks for calling them.

in the post with all of the links by wingnut, i am trying to find afrr. there is amfr, and several other companies and i realize the links and m.o. similarities are all in worth checking out. even the name is the same. is there anyone close enough to their location to do a physical check? even the glove box, which i never paid much attention to until the chinese link came up lately. i hope this isn't the same show in a different town.

uncle milty

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sic em old yeller

dont let this spoil your weekend. i intend to enjoy mine. mas musica!!

GREAT to see you visiting! I'm SURE many of us would LOVE to have you come back permanently! I'd say 99% of everyone here have nothing but good intentions to help each other. Don't let the 1% get you down. I'm sure you've read that some are still jumping all over Kevin, but his side of the story needs to be heard too. This IS America, right? I just wish people would keep it to 'stock' discussions and not get nasty or personal. About 1/2 dozen of you - who I conside to be A+ posters have disappeared or only post infrequently now since I joined in Aug. - and that's a terrible loss.

Have a HAPPY THANKSGIVING!

Steve
PS: I'd appreciate it if you'd send me your email address. I see it's not in your profile anymore. Hope all is well with you.

nice to hear from you. i couldn't agree more and hope that this board returns to discussing stocks more. i think when people begin to lose money they look at anyone to point a finger at to soften the loss instead of taking full responsibility for pushing the trade button. i also think the vast majority of contributors here are really trying to help and to win. i wish the members who left came back and that everyone ignored some of the personal stuff that seems to catch on fire. i hope we hear more from both of our island buddies in the future.

all the best and i hope your holiday season has a good start.

thanks for participating in this afrr thread.

off into the weekend, or at oat willie says, "onward through the fog". (that should catch the attention of the hill country folks)

uncle milty

It didn't look like anyone else posted this historical data regarding the company. I was following up on Wingnuts research. If you notice the company had subsidiaries (Wyoming, Florida and Lousiana). I think that is part of the mix up with this company. People were able to make negative statements because of no real knowledge of the company. Now that it is all consolidated, I don't think they will have any issues.

Also, the patent that the product is based on: Patent# 5,631,047 showed up as being expired due to lack of payment for maintenance. I did some searching in the patent database and as of 11/22/2003 everything is up to date. You can search it yourself: http://pair.uspto.gov/

So guys, I think after everything is said and done, Uncle Milty has picked a winner (on paper so far). We just need to sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. Hopefully, others will dig deeper and realize this company is legit just having a difficult time getting the ball rolling.

The Company is recognized by the State Contractors Board of California as a subcontractor in the field of Fireproofing- California License #788543. Firestop and Fire Film is a service the Company offers in the new and retrofit construction industry.
HISTORICAL BUSINESS INFORMATION: The Company originally commenced operations as a corporation organized under the laws of the State of Florida ("AFRC Florida") on November 20, 1992.
In 1993, AFRC Florida incorporated in the State of Louisiana, as a separate and distinct entity having the same shareholders as AFRC Florida.
On June 29, 1993, American Fire Retardant Corporation, a Louisiana Corporation ("AFRC Louisiana") was formed.
On March 4, 1994, AFRC Florida qualified to do business in the State of California under the name American Fire Retardant Corporation. AFRC Florida closed the facility operated in Florida in August 1994, but continued to maintain its good standing status within the State of Florida.
On July 24, 1995, AFRC, a Wyoming corporation ("AFRC Wyoming"), was incorporated. Upon the formation of AFRC Wyoming, AFRC Wyoming acquired all the issued and outstanding shares from the shareholders of AFRC Florida and AFRC Louisiana, in exchange for newly issued shares of AFRC Wyoming, whereby AFRC Florida and AFRC Louisiana became wholly owned subsidiaries of AFRC Wyoming.
In January 1998, as part of the plan restructuring and change of the domicile of the Company, AFRC Wyoming formed American Fire Retardant Corp., a Nevada corporation, the present Company.
On June 24, 1997, American Fire Retardant Corporation entered into a royalty agreement with Norman O. Houser, wherein the Company would utilize Mr. Houser's vermicide compound for the companies patented 2000V formulation. The agreement grants Mr. Houser the sum of $0.75 per gallon on the sale of American Fire Retardant Corporation's Fyberix 2000V.
On October 15, 2001, American Fire Retardant Corporation announced that they were introducing a series of aerosol cans filled with fire retardant designed to save lives and property by protecting the inner infrastructure of homes from fire. The first two of these products are designed to protect fabrics used in upholstery and draperies and the second is used to protect Christmas trees. There will also be four other aerosol cans for treating other types of material, such as wood, to make them fire resistive. These cans will be available through retail outlets, the Internet and mail order.

AFRR American Fire Retardant Corp

AMFR American Fire Retardant Corporation New (1-10 R/S) 06/27/2003
AFRC American Fire Retardant Corp 09/12/2002
AFRCE American Fire Retardant Corp 04/23/2002
AFRC American Fire Retardant Corp 04/22/2002
AFRCE American Fire Retardant Corp 12/05/2001
AFRC American Fire Retardant Corp 11/30/2001

Patent# Serial# Issue Date
5,631,047 08/530,691 05/20/97

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United States Patent 5,631,047
Friloux May 20, 1997

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Combination fire retardant, anti-soiling and biocidal agent

thanks for the research. nothing like facts to base a decision on. i first mentioned this back when it was at .0012 and have played it and posted about it allot. but the credit goes to everybody who has participated in the ongoing discussion and research. if someone made decisions to get into or out of this without doing their own dd, that was a mistake. this board has provided allot of help and some good links. thank all of you no matter what your opinion was. we need to hear all of them to help give us a balanced outlook.

back to the shop,

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Originally posted by blackice318:
Tonight I did what you call, look deeper into the stock.

The Commercials were suppose start today; but funny thing is who's going to answer there calls. I tried calling the # and it said they were close, so even if they did air commericals noone would be there to answer the call right? If thats the case this company has wasted air time for Saturday and Sunday.

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actually the number you called is AFRR's office number...the commercial airs a 1-800 number that sells many different products, of which one is treesafe(just ask for treesafe). The number is 1800-413-5533

-moose-

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Originally posted by blackice318:
Betnitall if you have AOL Instant Messenger can you IM me at blackice318?

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HOW MUCH PRODUCT AND HOW DIFFICULT WOULD THIS PRODUCT BE TO SHIP OUT TO JUST ABOUT EVERY OUTLET THAT SELLS TREES. JUST WALMART ALONE, SAY 25 BOTTLE PER STORE AND YOUR INTO 5+ MILLION BOTTLES AT WALMART ALONE. FURTHERMORE, YOU HAVE TO CREATE 5 MILLION BOTTLES AND FIRE-STUFF IN THOSE BOTTLES. AFRR DOESN'T HAVE THE CASH RESERVES FOR THAT PURCHASE LET ALONE MOST OTHER MAJOR OUTLETS.

IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A AFRR RETURN BASED UPON SOME FORMULA TO SAVE TREES FROM FLAMES, YOU'LD BE REALISTIC TO PLAN ON NEXT CHRISTMAS JUST TO FULFIL THE ORDERS FROM SEVERAL BIG OUTLETS THAT WANT YOUR STUFF.

FURTHERMORE, THERE IS NO NATIONAL ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN WITH THIS COMMERCIAL. UNLESS YOU GET SOME BIG BACKERS TO PUT UP THE PARTNERSHIP FOR ADVERTISING, KEEP LOOKING FOR YOUR COMMERICAL THAT YOU PROBABLY WONT SEE. A COMMERCIAL AND A NATIONAL COMMERCIAL ARE 2-DIFFERENT STORIES.

AFRR JUMPED ABOUT 2 OR SO MONTHS AGO FROM .0039 AND UP 175% IN ONE DAY. NO PRODUCT, NO PR, NO NOTHING.

I SAID IT BEFORE AND HERE IT GOES AGAIN; YOUR STOCK WILL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO FLOP UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS AND THEN WHEN YOU ALL DUMP YOUR STOCK AND SWEAR UP A STORM ABOUT AFRR, JAN 4, 04 THE STOCK WILL CLIMB 600% ON NO PR, NO PRODUCT, NO NOTHING.

U4TSAF2
You must understand retail marketing before you go talking about something you dont understand. Lets say Wal-mart were looking for new manufacturers for the Christmas season. AFRR may have the opportunity to offer there product along with its benefits of why it would sell. If AFRR can display a valueable business plan, anythings possible. Besides, most companies offer prototypes or samples to companies to receieve input or feedback. If Wal-mart was interested in this stock,trust me AFRR would be able to create revenue one of two ways.

1.Present a awesome business plan to the bank for a loan
2.Wal-Mart Specially order the bottles, therefore they wont have to worry about sales if they purchase a selected volume because they would already be compensated.

posted November 19, 2003 01:26
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HOW COME I KNEW I WOULD GET A INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS WHOM THINK I'M WRONG.
WELL FIRST OFF, MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT IS CORRECT.

NOW BLACK, YOU STATE THAT THE TECHNICALS OF THE CHARTS AFRR IS OVERSOLD. QUESTION THEN IS IF THIS IS THE CASE, HOW AND WHY DID THE STOCK JUMP 175% IN A SINGLE DAY ABOUT 1 1/2 MONTHS AGO WITH NO PR, NO INFO, NO PRODUCT, NO NOTHING? THAT JUMP IS IMPOSSIBLE ON A "OVER-SOLD" STOCK. IMPOSSIBLE AND AGAIN, ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.

EVERY STOCK IS A MEDIUM TO LONG TERM HOLD NO MATTER WHAT MARKET YOU DEAL WITH. WHILE MOST ON THIS BOARD ARE DEFINITELY NOT HAPPY UNLESS THEY CAN RIDE THOSE FREE SHARES AFTER MAKING A 500% GAIN IN 12 MINUTES.

A INVESTOR THAT PLAYS THE SHORT HOLD GAIN WILL BE OUT OF MONEY IN NO TIME. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE.

RETAIN MARKETING I DON'T UNDERSTAND?

WALMART HAS NO CARE/CONCERN/INTEREST ABOUT AFRR STOCK. AFRR HAS TO GOTO WALMART, SHOW THEM A PRODUCT, SPRAY A TREE AND SET IT ON FIRE AND SHOW THAT THE TREE WONT BURN. WALMART SAYS WOW, WHAT A GREAT PRODUCT, WE WANT 25 PER STORE AND WE NEED THEM DELIVERED IN 10-DAYS. AFRR NOW FREAKS OUT BECAUSE THEY JUST POSTED A QUARTER LOSS AND HAVE TO SCRAMBLE TO COME UP WITH 5 MILLION BOTTLES IN 10-DAYS. NOW THAT IS WALMART, WHAT ABOUT ACE, HOME DEPOT, HOME SHOPPING, K-MART, ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC. WITH A DOCUMENTED LOSS AND NO CASH IN THE BANK, YOU CAN ISSUE MORE STOCK TO RAISE CAPITAL OR CHOSE VENTURE CAPITAL WHICH WILL GRANT MONEY BUT THEY NOW OWNS 51% OF YOUR BUSINESS.

A BANK LOAN FOR SEED FINANCING? SEED FINANCING IS FOR A NEW PRODUCT OF ANY TYPE, NEW NAIL, GLUE, TELEVISION, ETC. AND THE CASH IS TO GROW THAT CERTAIN PRODUCT. CALL YOUR LOCAL BANK AND TELL THEM YOU HAVE A NEW LAWNMOWER THAT IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING, HOME DEPOT JUST ORDERED 1500 OF THEM AND YOU NEED SOME SEED MONEY AND SEE WHAT YOU GET. LET ALONE ONE TO A PUBLIC TRADED COMPANY WITH A STOCK PRICE OF .0038... BUT MR. BANK, LOOK AT MY AWESOME MARKET PLAN, IT REALLY LOOKS GOOD. GOSH WALMART, YOU MEAN YOU WONT PAY ME $15 MILLION DOLLARS IN ADVANCE TO COVER MY COSTS OF PRODUCING 5 MILLION BOTTLES FOR YOUR WALMART STORES BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY SELL THEM???

HELLO MR. MANUFACTURER WHO MAKES MY FIRE-PROOF TREE JUICE, YEA WALMART ORDERED 5 MILLION BOTTLES, K-MART ORDERED 3 MILLION, ACE ORDERED 1 MILLION AND I GOT ANOTHER 11 MILLION MISC ORDERS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED. CAN YOU MAKE ALL THAT FOR ME AND BILL ME LATER AFTER WE SELL ALL THE PRODUCT?

AH, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND RETAIL MARKETING????

SO THIS IDIOT (ME) WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT RETAIL MARKETING/INVESTING WILL JUST ACCEPT YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE AND EXCELLENT DD WORK ON AFRR TO SHOW WHY/HOW THIS STOCK WILL MOVE, IS OVER-SOLD, AND HOW AFRR WILL GET THIS "NEW" PRODUCT ON THE STORE SHELVES.

4 PAGES TO THIS AFRR POST 194 LISTINGS?????
HERE'S A 100% GUARANTEE AND A QUASH OF HOPES. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE TREE-JUICE TO AFFECT THIS STOCK THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON. IMPOSSIBLE IMPOSSIBLE IMPOSSIBLE. TOTAL SALES COULD NOT EVEN BE CACULATED TO MAKE THIS THING RISE BY CHRISTMAS SINCE THAT INFO WOULD BE DOCUMENTED ON A 1/4 REPORT. IF WALMART HAS 5 MILLION BOTTLES ORDERED TODAY, PRODUCTION TIME, SHIPPING TIME, STOCKING TIME, ETC. WILL TAKE 2-3 MONTHS. IF THIS WASN'T THE CASE IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, WHY ARE ALL STORES OUT OF THE HOT TICKET CHRISTMAS ITEMS EVERY YEAR???? HOW MANY OF YOU COULD HAVE FOUND A TICKLE ME ELMO 4 YEARS AGO? HOW ABOUT A N-64? ETC.ETC.ETC.

SO KEEP POSTING YOUR TOTALLY UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS ABOUT THIS AND THAT WITH REGARD TO AFRR BUT I ASSURE YOU AND GUARANTEE THE FOLLOWING:

NO. 1 TREE-JUICE WILL NOT DO 1 IODA FOR THIS STOCK RIGHT NOW NOR ANYTIME SOON.

NO. 2 AFRR WILL JUMP ONCE AGAIN AS IT HAS MANY TIMES BEFORE WITH NO TREE-JUICE, NO CHRISTMAS, NO NOTHING.

I don't think anyone here thinks they are going to make a mint overnight on AFRR. At least I don't. I have quite a few shares, and I plan on a longterm hold, maybe two or three years. I can wait that long to make a bundle. After all, Wall Street wasn't built in a day, and my portfolio isn't going to be built in a day either.

Here's a tip that some of you have probably heard already, but it won't hurt to mention it again. www.1kto100k.com

I have put about 5 grand into it (I got started about 4 months late) and I hope the luck holds. Luck ... smarts ... whatever it is he uses to pick stocks, I hope it continues. He did it last year, and is well on the way this year ... turning $1000 into $100,000 in less than a year. Anyway, I am following his lead, and I will see where it takes me.

I would be interested in discussing what you guys think about an exit strategy.

U4, why do you think this will keep tanking until January 04?

thanks to EVERYONE who has contributed to the afrr topics.

i will continue to play this stocks beta, as it has a response, albeit short sometimes to news items. i am not buying afrr's ability to produce within any given time frame, i am buying the investors swing in opinion in afrr. that is what makes the price move. i have played it since it traded at .0012 and have found it to be a rewarding short term play.

see you for mondays bell.

First and far most the S-8. For those who are unware of what it is it is

S8-This form is used for the registration of securities to be offered to an issuer's employees pursuant to certain plans

According to the press release if I was reading it right they're 1,590,000,000 @ .004. Thats a lot of shares to unload,buy, or whatever(still tryin to understand what it means myself)

Another thing is there are more shares oustanding vs. authorized. And those of you who dont know is, if there is more outstanding shares than authorized shares, the stock usually move much or drops. This is bad, but all stocks are different. If there are more Authorized shares than outstanding the company can sell off some of those shares, in order for the company to fund itself in whatever matter needed. Unfortuantely I dont think AFRR can do that.

As a daytrader you must have extreme patients and accuracy in scanning a stock and finding a exit point a stock. After looking at the pro's and con's of this stock and my current shareholder value the exit point for me is slightly unquestionalbe.

Looking at the charts

10 Day Moving Average: The Stocks Below the MA and very very slightly decreased

20 Day Moving Average: The Stocks Below the MA and is decreasing

32 Day Moving Average: The Stocks Below the MA and is slightly decreasing

50 Day Moving Average: The Stocks Below the MA and has a very very slight decrease

100 Day Moving Average: The Stocks below the MA and a constistent decline is apparent with a indication though*****

Viewing a 24 Month/2 Year Chart on this sucker it did the same old thing in November. It took a massavie drop.

November 1st 2002, the stock price was 1.60.
It continued to alltime high of $12.40 before taking for the rest of the month. Shortly after thanksgiving the stock was around $1.90 and managed to rise up to $7.20 by December 16th.

What does this mean?

Im a trendy type person so I feel the drop followed a trend, and by the information also provided by other fellow investors.

~The Volume sucked during this time

Isnt the news excellent timing, so i think this week will be a slight increase followed by a pop. Based on charting exit point would be .01. My instinct is saying .004-.005

i couldn't get the commercial to work ice. i think i have a really serious firewall that causes me problems. thanks for posting it.. i'm still watching and waiting for the next news pop.

What if we all pumped this stock on different boards with some actual true DD to maybe get more interest as far as in the stock and then maybe we could look forward to a strong open. .