Who knows?
This stock can be viewed and researched in 3 Different Ways
>>>>>>>>>>NEWS<<<<<<<<<<
This stock is in good standing for a holiday stock as far as what MACH said. I slightly disagree on the price the stock was being offered at the time due to the large volume and not concrete support with the MM's.Ive noticed a few questions such as, why hasnt this stock gapped up when ever news came out.
Simple:
The news on November 5th and 7th are repetive. Honestly, it may be a press release, but nothing of importance which will determine the incline or decline of AFFR.So to sum of the information on news this is basically whats reptitive
"According to Stephen F. Owens, President of AFRC, 'Our online and offline sales activity strongly suggest that there is enough demand to justify increasing production by another 120,000 bottles."
Awesome market research!!!
Thats all it was, once they sell those bottles then AFFR is in business
>>>>>>>>>>VOLUME & BUYER RATING<<<<<<<<<<
First of all this stock was definently overrated at the price of .005- .0055. The RSI was decreasing as these levels were there, and finally the MM's couldnt hold this thing anymore and let it fall. Also the contributing price decline of this stock are the shareholders of AFFR who werent patient enough to hold this stock long.
Second of All this stock shall pop soon. Through my experience in ADVC it sat there like a puddle of frozen water between .002-.0022. The average volume decreased and soon as that happend, POP goes the weasel. Id just like for everyone to take a look at 10/27 on low volume.Im not saying itd do that again but analyize. According to the TA this stock is low on low volume,but rises on large volume as it increases.
>>>>>>>>>>SHAREHOLDERS<<<<<<<<<<
Just in my personal little opinion AFRR has alot of you who bought at .005-.0055. Im sure plenty of MM's know that and this stock shouldnt have a problem reaching .005 within the next week.
I currently hold 400,000 shares of this stock @ .0041 and tried buying in at .004 all day yesterday, but it wouldnt let me. According to the charts and level II quotes this stock has to much support at .004 to sub.Its also below the 20 Day Moving Average and Volatility is increasing.
Lets just watch it!
as always, do your dd and don't get greedy.
uncle milty
quote:
Originally posted by blackice318:
Everyone get out of AFRR on time? Im out searching for something new. Stay posted.
Get out on time? I wouldn't sell this one at these levels..Looking for at least 50% gain from current price..Everybody has different strategy anyway..Good luck to you..
C.
uncle milty
Kevin
quote:
Originally posted by Qtrader:
Fellow traders-
Dont worry about this little kid. He suddenly thinks he knows what he is talking about. AFRR should be back up into the .005s soon enough. I bough it at .0014 (close to you Milty)....and I STRONGLY believe this will be up nice before years end. I wont sell until it hits either .02 or back down to .002 (Really nice gain or an OK gain).
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"Wise people learn when they can. Fools learn when they must."
-Wellington
Kevin
quote:
Originally posted by eddieee2000:
Ladies & Gentlemen........Heres that split personality "Kevin" raising trouble again!
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"Wise people learn when they can. Fools learn when they must."
-Wellington
uncle milty
First of all yes i got out of this stock at the prices i quoted,but the last 30 minutes i got back in the price i paid for. Now Qtrader you tell me thats not a damn well good move.Uh? Well Qtrader now that you have gotten on my good side, i thought i may entertain the other Qtraders of how good of a person you are. Please stay tuned for the post that will come around 5:30 P.M.
also at first i thought they could be just selling it for afrr but it appears they make it and have nothing to do with afrr but what i dont understand is i thought afrr had there treesafe patented
i hope this dont hurt us i just built my afrr to 270k
*I expected this type of action to occur*
Analysis
Yesterday news came out, the stock jumped for a few minutes and popped back down by the end of the day.
Today
No News
No Volume
No Increase
Opinion, I personally think yesterday when news came out it was away to get more buyers at high prices if you ask me, and panic sellers a warning that this stock can drop.
Thats pretty much what caused the volume to rise so much yesterday.
TODAY!!!!A massive amount of selling went on today, because this stock didnt do as suspected. Its just quiet before the storm I hope, hitting .0039 def. makes you bite your tongue though.
Between tomorrow and Tuesday, we should at >>least<< see .0045, unless something crazy happens.
Qtrader your credibility on stock picks is horrible. If anyone read my post when I said i was getting out of AFRR to get in GOAM because AFRR may tumble some before it rises when good news may come out in reference to the sales.
Well traders, view what happend today. This stock fell on no news. Also this company is supposingly airing commercials nationally throughout the whole week.
In my opinion Im guessing this is a steal for shareholders to buy in before good posted news comes out. Anyone who bought under .004 is definently in the game.
Holding 525,000 shares @ .0036 & .0038.
i think thia will cycle at least a couple more times in the .004x - 005x range. then if sales are good and there is response to the products it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if it continued up into the copper range. i feel like it was on sale today. like i always said in the past, i buy and sell with multiple orders to average in and out. it wouldn't make sense for me to try to pick an entry or exit for several millions of shares at one price. dollar cost averaging is wall street 101.
uncle milty
WHO WOULD SELL SO LOW?
PANIC SELLERS, STOP YOUR SELLING AND STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER!
Kevin
quote:
Originally posted by blackice318:
Its over .0031 is on the way if this stock doesnt start showing support and less resistance.
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"Wise people learn when they can. Fools learn when they must."
-Wellington
People thought I was crazy too for getting out during it's big run in the 6's
. This stock makes me wanna puke though =/
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
The company seems in a much better possition with their products then last year when the stock skyrocket in NOV. So why should we worry. Like I said on another afrr topic, this stock will only leave about 2 of us when its hit its peak. Everyone else will have run for their lives! Payday for the patient ones.
May we all see a green XMAS
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Matthew Taber
what a morning!!!!!!!!!
uncle milty
This stock took so many peoples money today, that suffered from panic selling. Im still trying to get out today @ .0038. Once im out im taking a day off to regroup. I think ive been trading to fast over the past week or so, in and out every damn day except today. AFRR is holding me down.
Old Mullet, your them man, how many shares did you manage to buy at .0031? Shoot I ran out of money lol, to keep averaging down. Ill still be up about $100 or so if i get out at .0038.
Could tomorrow be a mid-week report on commerical sales. Who knows?
Mental Thoughts
::Is there treesafe really safe::
::Is this what MMM's do, so they can give freeshares to the company holders before a big jump::
::Are they making any money::
: 
id I **** up, buying this::
it is getting to a point where unless it falls to it's recent support again i am done buying, as my usual big aon buys aren't changing my apps enough anymore.
time and sales showed lots of small trades today. falling through that .004 support really was a psychological trigger for smaller investors. what a way to start the week!!!
its wild when .0001 moves my bottom line by almost 1300 greenbacks! guess how much i would like this to go copper.
so you had better be careful reading my posts. if i buy much more, you will see "mull" on level II. lol
do your dd. i saw it in a burning bush---or was that a christmas tree.
uncle milty
The burning bush - christmas tree got me...
Thanks for a good hearted laugh!!
One contract with wal mart, home depot or sears and this stock is too the moon!
Try to reach the top 10 of these companies by email or phone.
uncle milty
)anyway...hopefully I'll be able to pick some up tomorrow around 0.0032, I hope
I think this one might dip a little more before it will pick up.
Plf
WE'RE NOT EVEN PAST THANKSGIVING, HOW MANY OF YOU HAVE BOUGHT A TREE OR ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING?
HOW MUCH PRODUCT AND HOW DIFFICULT WOULD THIS PRODUCT BE TO SHIP OUT TO JUST ABOUT EVERY OUTLET THAT SELLS TREES. JUST WALMART ALONE, SAY 25 BOTTLE PER STORE AND YOUR INTO 5+ MILLION BOTTLES AT WALMART ALONE. FURTHERMORE, YOU HAVE TO CREATE 5 MILLION BOTTLES AND FIRE-STUFF IN THOSE BOTTLES. AFRR DOESN'T HAVE THE CASH RESERVES FOR THAT PURCHASE LET ALONE MOST OTHER MAJOR OUTLETS.
IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A AFRR RETURN BASED UPON SOME FORMULA TO SAVE TREES FROM FLAMES, YOU'LD BE REALISTIC TO PLAN ON NEXT CHRISTMAS JUST TO FULFIL THE ORDERS FROM SEVERAL BIG OUTLETS THAT WANT YOUR STUFF.
FURTHERMORE, THERE IS NO NATIONAL ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN WITH THIS COMMERCIAL. UNLESS YOU GET SOME BIG BACKERS TO PUT UP THE PARTNERSHIP FOR ADVERTISING, KEEP LOOKING FOR YOUR COMMERICAL THAT YOU PROBABLY WONT SEE. A COMMERCIAL AND A NATIONAL COMMERCIAL ARE 2-DIFFERENT STORIES.
AFRR JUMPED ABOUT 2 OR SO MONTHS AGO FROM .0039 AND UP 175% IN ONE DAY. NO PRODUCT, NO PR, NO NOTHING.
I SAID IT BEFORE AND HERE IT GOES AGAIN; YOUR STOCK WILL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO FLOP UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS AND THEN WHEN YOU ALL DUMP YOUR STOCK AND SWEAR UP A STORM ABOUT AFRR, JAN 4, 04 THE STOCK WILL CLIMB 600% ON NO PR, NO PRODUCT, NO NOTHING.
. This stock makes me wanna puke though =/[/QUOTE]
Remember my man
"It's not what you know, its what you can prove"
And I knew what you had to say about AFRR wasnt factual, because its wasnt backed up with supporting information. I also wish you the best of luck, and hope you join the daytrading team.LOL.
Ummm....Ive been doing good if you have followed all my post,i usually know what Im doing but Ive definently got stuck in AFRR for more than a day, which isnt a good feeling considering how Im in and out of stocks like Im crazy. I dont really let my emotions get into the stock, more into discussion about the stocks because its another way to learn, and another way to discuss how you feel vs. others about stocks.
Still reasearchin in-depth with AFRR. SUPPORTING INFO ON THE WAY.STAY TUNED.
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
I am very new to this and maybe my interpretation is off?
Plf
Its a slight indication that shares to be bought will definently help the levels of this stock as far as the trend of incline, but doesnt play a real major role in the PPS.
According to the Technical Analysis its considered to be a Medium Term and Long Term Stock. Therefore that sucks for me, but charting changes everday so who knows.
According to www.sharpcharts.com the stock is under the 20DMA & 32DMA. Therefore this stock is definently a steal below .004 levels.
The only things this stock lacks is support and I guess capital. It seems that the 10q posted is displaying some sort of loss thats rubbing off on the stock price. Weak hands are releasing there shares, thinking this stock shall continue to decline. Kind of reminds me of GOAM. But anywho.....
U4TSAF2
You must understand retail marketing before you go talking about something you dont understand. Lets say Wal-mart were looking for new manufacturers for the Christmas season. AFRR may have the opportunity to offer there product along with its benefits of why it would sell. If AFRR can display a valueable business plan, anythings possible. Besides, most companies offer prototypes or samples to companies to receieve input or feedback. If Wal-mart was interested in this stock,trust me AFRR would be able to create revenue one of two ways.
1.Present a awesome business plan to the bank for a loan
2.Wal-Mart Specially order the bottles, therefore they wont have to worry about sales if they purchase a selected volume because they would already be compensated.
Why Jan 4th,2004 you think this stock shall go up?
WELL FIRST OFF, MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT IS CORRECT.
NOW BLACK, YOU STATE THAT THE TECHNICALS OF THE CHARTS AFRR IS OVERSOLD. QUESTION THEN IS IF THIS IS THE CASE, HOW AND WHY DID THE STOCK JUMP 175% IN A SINGLE DAY ABOUT 1 1/2 MONTHS AGO WITH NO PR, NO INFO, NO PRODUCT, NO NOTHING? THAT JUMP IS IMPOSSIBLE ON A "OVER-SOLD" STOCK. IMPOSSIBLE AND AGAIN, ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.
EVERY STOCK IS A MEDIUM TO LONG TERM HOLD NO MATTER WHAT MARKET YOU DEAL WITH. WHILE MOST ON THIS BOARD ARE DEFINITELY NOT HAPPY UNLESS THEY CAN RIDE THOSE FREE SHARES AFTER MAKING A 500% GAIN IN 12 MINUTES.
A INVESTOR THAT PLAYS THE SHORT HOLD GAIN WILL BE OUT OF MONEY IN NO TIME. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE.
RETAIN MARKETING I DON'T UNDERSTAND?
WALMART HAS NO CARE/CONCERN/INTEREST ABOUT AFRR STOCK. AFRR HAS TO GOTO WALMART, SHOW THEM A PRODUCT, SPRAY A TREE AND SET IT ON FIRE AND SHOW THAT THE TREE WONT BURN. WALMART SAYS WOW, WHAT A GREAT PRODUCT, WE WANT 25 PER STORE AND WE NEED THEM DELIVERED IN 10-DAYS. AFRR NOW FREAKS OUT BECAUSE THEY JUST POSTED A QUARTER LOSS AND HAVE TO SCRAMBLE TO COME UP WITH 5 MILLION BOTTLES IN 10-DAYS. NOW THAT IS WALMART, WHAT ABOUT ACE, HOME DEPOT, HOME SHOPPING, K-MART, ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC. WITH A DOCUMENTED LOSS AND NO CASH IN THE BANK, YOU CAN ISSUE MORE STOCK TO RAISE CAPITAL OR CHOSE VENTURE CAPITAL WHICH WILL GRANT MONEY BUT THEY NOW OWNS 51% OF YOUR BUSINESS.
A BANK LOAN FOR SEED FINANCING? SEED FINANCING IS FOR A NEW PRODUCT OF ANY TYPE, NEW NAIL, GLUE, TELEVISION, ETC. AND THE CASH IS TO GROW THAT CERTAIN PRODUCT. CALL YOUR LOCAL BANK AND TELL THEM YOU HAVE A NEW LAWNMOWER THAT IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING, HOME DEPOT JUST ORDERED 1500 OF THEM AND YOU NEED SOME SEED MONEY AND SEE WHAT YOU GET. LET ALONE ONE TO A PUBLIC TRADED COMPANY WITH A STOCK PRICE OF .0038... BUT MR. BANK, LOOK AT MY AWESOME MARKET PLAN, IT REALLY LOOKS GOOD. GOSH WALMART, YOU MEAN YOU WONT PAY ME $15 MILLION DOLLARS IN ADVANCE TO COVER MY COSTS OF PRODUCING 5 MILLION BOTTLES FOR YOUR WALMART STORES BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY SELL THEM???
HELLO MR. MANUFACTURER WHO MAKES MY FIRE-PROOF TREE JUICE, YEA WALMART ORDERED 5 MILLION BOTTLES, K-MART ORDERED 3 MILLION, ACE ORDERED 1 MILLION AND I GOT ANOTHER 11 MILLION MISC ORDERS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED. CAN YOU MAKE ALL THAT FOR ME AND BILL ME LATER AFTER WE SELL ALL THE PRODUCT?
AH, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND RETAIL MARKETING????
SO THIS IDIOT (ME) WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT RETAIL MARKETING/INVESTING WILL JUST ACCEPT YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE AND EXCELLENT DD WORK ON AFRR TO SHOW WHY/HOW THIS STOCK WILL MOVE, IS OVER-SOLD, AND HOW AFRR WILL GET THIS "NEW" PRODUCT ON THE STORE SHELVES.
quote:
Originally posted by blackice318:
According to the technicals of the charts in reference to the stochaistics and RSI the stock is oversold.Its a slight indication that shares to be bought will definently help the levels of this stock as far as the trend of incline, but doesnt play a real major role in the PPS.
According to the Technical Analysis its considered to be a Medium Term and Long Term Stock. Therefore that sucks for me, but charting changes everday so who knows.
According to www.sharpcharts.com the stock is under the 20DMA & 32DMA. Therefore this stock is definently a steal below .004 levels.
The only things this stock lacks is support and I guess capital. It seems that the 10q posted is displaying some sort of loss thats rubbing off on the stock price. Weak hands are releasing there shares, thinking this stock shall continue to decline. Kind of reminds me of GOAM. But anywho.....
U4TSAF2
You must understand retail marketing before you go talking about something you dont understand. Lets say Wal-mart were looking for new manufacturers for the Christmas season. AFRR may have the opportunity to offer there product along with its benefits of why it would sell. If AFRR can display a valueable business plan, anythings possible. Besides, most companies offer prototypes or samples to companies to receieve input or feedback. If Wal-mart was interested in this stock,trust me AFRR would be able to create revenue one of two ways.1.Present a awesome business plan to the bank for a loan
2.Wal-Mart Specially order the bottles, therefore they wont have to worry about sales if they purchase a selected volume because they would already be compensated.Why Jan 4th,2004 you think this stock shall go up?
Well first off your previous statement is incorrect
U4TSAF2, if you look at the technicals on AFRR you will notice and just like any stock is what we call trends. Usually most stocks follow a certain pattern or trend, and that was the first time AFRR had some sort of breakout so quickly.
&qout"A INVESTOR THAT PLAYS THE SHORT HOLD GAIN WILL BE OUT OF MONEY IN NO TIME. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE.""
Thats ridiculously funny. Ive turned $500 into over $2K in less than 1 month. You cant tell me that there isnt any exceptions to the rules b/c i just broke them.
Your statements seems more speculative or opinionated.
I WANT TO KNOW WHAT MAKES YOU FEEL THIS STOCK WILL GO UP JAN 4, 2004!
ENOUGH FIGHTING, I HAVE INSIDE INFO NOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON DEALS WITH A FEW MAJOR CHAINS AS WE SPEAK. I TELL YOU THIS AS A GIFT!
Thanks,
Greg.
AFRR
0.0036 -0.0002
Enter Symbol:
Enter Keyword:
SAN DIEGO, Nov 19, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- American Fire Retardant Corp. (AFRR) announced today that the national cable and broadcast direct response television advertising campaign for their TreeSafe product will begin airing this Saturday, Nov. 22, 2003. According to Scott Paternoster, president of Chief Media NYC, "Our company has launched the TreeSafe national direct-response television advertising campaign. The 60-second spots will air on more than 60+ stations and will run over 300 spots in both national cable and local broadcast in the week beginning this Saturday." Paternoster explains, "The campaign will build in volume every week throughout the remainder of the holiday season. It will be expanded into more national cable and local broadcast stations as it continues." Paternoster concluded by saying, "The following markets were chosen because of consumer research: Albany, Denver, Detroit, Norfolk, Philadelphia, Richmond and Syracuse, plus other local markets."
Paternoster explains, "The ads will run as Direct Response rotations, i.e., they are bought in blocks so precise timing and airing is determined by the media provider, not by Chief Media."
Steve Owens, president of AFRC, was pleased to announce, "This campaign was recently inaugurated and supplements the previously arranged campaign that will also begin airing shortly." Owens concluded by saying, "We have invested hundreds of thousands of media dollars to insure the sales success of TreeSafe and expect a successful holiday season."
About American Fire Retardant Corp.
American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB: AFRR -- www.americanfireretardant.com) is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant products. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations.
SOURCE: American Fire Retardant Corp.
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
it is very hard to give advice without knowing your specific circumstances.
for me 11.2m shares isn't a big deal. for you your position might be.
lets see what happens. the mms will be selling back what they scored yesterday after driving down the price with the help of the panic sellers who had never seen a 10 qsb before. they are almost always scary. they are often brutally pessimistic.
i have been buying and selling this since you got in and have no plans to stop. so if you decide th jump on board after this gets into the mid .004's you might be buying my shares. i hope to have 6-7 m free shares before christmas.
uncle milty
Greg.
uncle milty
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Matthew Taber
quote:
Originally posted by emunahstock:
ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ALERTENOUGH FIGHTING, I HAVE INSIDE INFO NOW THAT THEY ARE WORKING ON DEALS WITH A FEW MAJOR CHAINS AS WE SPEAK. I TELL YOU THIS AS A GIFT!
the little winking smiley attacted to your post kinda confused me...you serious about this?
GOOD NEWS
~The Phone # Works
~The Phone was answered
~I had spoke with a young lady in reference to the sales of this product. She simply said quot"well we received sales off the internet, and we HOPE that sales would increase since the commericials would allow our name to be known to the public""
MIXED EMOTIONS
~I asked why didnt the campaign start as stated in the news release, and she said that she had no explanation for that. She said she thought it was suppose to start that time also.
BAD NEWS
~The stocks not at .10 yet.
quote:
Originally posted by blackice318:
GOOD NEWS
~The Phone # Works
~The Phone was answered
too funny...
if i only had a crystal ball to see where this UGLY stock was going.
i bought a heavy load at .006 and i dont have any cash to average down. missing great oppurtunities like IDGE. Nevertheless, there is a little bit of optimism left in me when approaching AFRR.
Good luck traders
i usually just post what i know and suspect right away, as timing is important.
i have even posted an entry point and noticed on level II that the bids stack up right in front of me using tips on bidding i have posted. no big deal to me. i'm here to share, and am making out very well as it is. i suspect i trade in the upper vol bracket of the posters here. if my amigos here benefit and are on the ride with me, success as well as misery likes company.
uncle milty
I believe what goes around comes around but this board sometimes makes me think twice.
I have a rule not to publicly release my DD in full as I feel its not fare to the company for trusting me with the info. Therefore I only stait the end result. If people I recognize from the board contact me, I am willing to give full disclosure. The reason I share is in hopes to find a few good traders to share DD with for outside the forum.
Well, thanks for your dreams, for all our sakes I hope your dreams come true.
I am not trying to be negative, but nobody can expect people to follow them just because they said so.
I assure you, you will be recognized if you give supporting information.
my email is mallak2pawn@aol.com email me urs
P.S. I have e-mailed and called the company. No Response. (I asked for investor relations and left a message.)
[This message has been edited by justplayin (edited November 19, 2003).]
i just cleaned out my e mail box posted in my profile here. it fills up alarmingly fast with spam blocking incoming mail. they want me to check it twice a day i guess because i can't automaticaly empty the junk mail folder. that or buy a bigger box is more like it.
so if you want to share the scoop, i'm ready to recieve it. but i guess with the price getting closer to me buying more i am committed (or deserve to be) one way or the other. it would be interesting to calculate what my position would weigh if it hit .01 and was paid in pennies. sounds like a grade school arithmetic problem.
i hope this goes copper and higher, (who wouldn't hope) but my practical side has me concentrating on beta plays and reducing my apps (aka free share building). that is the immediate strategy. sometimes if you stare off into the future you miss the present. i will reduce my position and bump (perhaps not a popular word today) off my higher buys for no capital gain. capital loss here wont apply as i am in and out in under 30 days. now you see why i average in? you dont miss an opportunity by averaging in and when (if) it turns you get rid of the weight.
thanks in advance
uncle milty
yours doesnt appear under your profile so i cant really email you til i rcv something from you
thanks
Maybe Im being complicated or Im on another level from you, but isnt the purpose of this board is to share DD w/ each other and disuss stocks.
Collecting or asking for emails to hear your DD is garbage, I dont care if this stock is going to $10 1 month from now.
Seriously, you know and I know anyone who may be holding AFRR in their portfolio is willing to hear your DD or "inside info", it doenst actually mean it's true.
Im willing to hear what you have to say also, but for you to email it to those who email you,isnt that the same as just posting it on the board?
To me it just seems to be fishy to believe or hear what someone with DD or "inside info" to trust considering they aren't able to spell words correctly, and bought this stock at higher levels than anyone else.
I think you gain respect on stocks after you pick and they rise. Thats usually how I gained mine, even though I may have lost some due to my challenging attitude.
Anyways Im off to class. PEACE
thats my homy black lay it down
"It not what you know, its what you can prove"
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
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BetNitAll
uncle milty
Anyone Anyone
Dang this stock has took a lot of peoples money at so many levels. Im guessing that .003 is the bottom for this stock. If support is broken at .003 levels then theres no telling how bad this stock will do.
I dont look for to much of a pop up,so my plans are to get out between .0035-.004. Just depends on how its moving.
I think if this stock hits back at .004 again, so many people are going to sell this thing its not even funny. That may cause a short drop and then a big pop once all shares are out of the way.
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
[This message has been edited by breakout (edited November 19, 2003).]
Has anyone noticed how this stock always pops up a little bit every morning and then drops back down. If you daytrade, you could have made massive profits depend on how high the volume of shares you own.
According to the charts, everything is weak except the money flow. I guess thats a little something to smile about.
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
uncle milty
MM's play the best pshyscological game.
In every traders mind, we expecting another tank, and thats when it goes pop.
Then the panic sellers cry, and try to get back in to cover some loss, and the MM's laugh say drop, and again they take more money.Its amazing.lol
Don't worry, if it goes up enough, we will all chip in and cover your loss.
[This message has been edited by forfun (edited November 19, 2003).]
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
ADVC IS LOOKIN AWESOME YALL!!!!
are you going to share your info? i never saw a reply to any of our requests.
anybody else hear anything?
uncle milty
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
What are you seeing?
quote:
Originally posted by blackice318:
ADVC IS LOOKIN AWESOME YALL!!!!
uncle milty
quote:
Originally posted by old mullet:
did anyone see the huge vol surge. it went from 17m to 40m in 15 mins. lots of big trades all of a sudden.uncle milty
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
[This message has been edited by breakout (edited November 20, 2003).]
quote:
Originally posted by Mikemc:
I have a really stupid question. Who or what is MM?
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"Wise people learn when they can. Fools learn when they must."
-Wellington
This stock is beginning to be a complete joke. Think were being FRAUDED by any chance.
Q on the end, um......i dont think there in Bankruptcy or close, charts show money flow on the rise but everything else dropping.
Dont give up yet, it will prolly bounce up by end of day if some support comes in.
Kevin
quote:
Originally posted by blackice318:
Kevin how you feelin about AFRR?
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"Wise people learn when they can. Fools learn when they must."
-Wellington
cooperation for mutual benefit is so common throughout the investment community it is pervasive. i invest with the flow, because i can't fight it with my capital with the volume being traded on some of these plays.
uncle milty
ps i am still buying, but do your own dd.
TELL ME THE MM'S AREN'T IN CONTROL.
uncle milty
it's still above my apps by quite a bit. i'm expecting another pop and am on hold.
doyodd
uncle milty
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
uncle milty
uncle milty
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
Greg.
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
but no worrys mates, there will be plenty for sale on the next pop.
i'll bet mms dont drive fords. actually i'll bet they don't even drive----"to the airport jeeves, and be careful with that suitcase. it needs to get to switzerland in good shape."
guess i'll always be just a UM (ugly mutha)
uncle milty
IVE MISSED OUT ON TWO STOCKS FOR THIS LOUSY P.O.S.
ADVC as i mentioned this morning
&
ARTG
what a bunch of garbage!
it sounds like you are in school and probably don't have lots of spare capital to diversify. i remember that all to well from my school days (we still used slide rules back then). it is frustrating when a couple of stocks tie up your funds.
i have 32 stocks in my microcap portfolio, and if it is any consolation, unless things improve tomorrow, i will have a 6 digit loss this week. thats how the game goes, and i still believe most of what i hold will make me smile if i wait.
uncle milty
Is this like the 4th or 5th day in a row this stock will be closing down?
Good luck...wingnut
[from an april post]
the company has lied about the release of product for going on a year now:
Q filed on may 21 for p/e march 31 indicates 36M OS, as of may 21, SP .50
june 13 2002 PR
"...the Company has targeted the weekend of July 12th to launch its infomercial featuring "3-in-1 Hero."..."
july 26 PR
"...we expect to test the infomercial on the air within the next 10 days..."
aug 1 PR
"...the company will begin test marketing on television of its "3-in-1 Hero" Infomercial this weekend with Charter Communications..."
aug 22 PR
"...closed captioning...will take 10 working days..."
Q filed on aug 20 for p/e june 30 indicates 76M OS, as of aug 20, SP .125
(from previous qtr., over 100% dilution, 75% decrease in SP)
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sept 12, company RS 1 for 10
sept 20, S8 for 7M
sept 24, S8 for 25M
nov 6 PR
"...It is our strategy to begin airing the Infomercial the second week in January 2003..."
Q filed nov 19 for p/e sept 30 indicates 28M OS, as of nov 19, SP .02
(from previous qtr., another 200%+ dilution, another 75%+ decrease in SP)
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dec 3 S8 for 20M
dec 27 S8 for 30M
jan/feb/march-articles of inc changed, AS increased from 100M to 2B, gag order placed on TA)
jan 28 PR
"..."We intend to launch American Fire Retardant Corp.'s $500,000 Direct-Response Television Campaign the second week in February 2003..."
jan 30 S8 for 50M
feb 24 PR
"...ad campaign and marketing strategy will take place as soon as possible..."
march 17 S8 for 90M
march 19 PR
"...campaign will launch the week of April 7th..."
april 3 PR
"...announces readiness for launch week of april 7..."
april 8 PR
"...ads forthcoming..."
april 9 S8 for 104M granted at .0007
april 11 S8 fo another 104M granted at .0007
april 14 S8 for another 104M granted at .0007
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as of april 11:
AS, 2B (an increase of 2000% from "start" of this campaign)
OS?, with gag order in place, difficult for definitive number..."estimates" range from 800M to over 1B (an increase of between 11,000%-25,000%, split adjusted)
SP, a 99.9% decrease from june 2002, when the company originally stated the infommercial was scheduled to air
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from last years K:
"...Create an infomercial to introduce the new aerosol can of FyberixTM2000-V to the public with production expected to be completed in May of 2002 and the expected air date in the first week of June, 2002..."
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several of the individuals associated with this company have had SEC problems, and have not disclosed insider relationships
the court of appeals of tennessee at knoxville, in the case of lindsey, bradley & maloy v. media marketing systems, et. al., for breach of contract, negligent misrepresentation, fraud and violation of the tennessee consumer act
fyi, media marketing systems CEO?...sam cooper...one and the same of global media
here is the link, but you need adobe acrobate to access
http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/tca/PDF/004/lindseybradleymaloy.pdf
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and what about this?
...is the current CEO/director raoul l. carroll one and the same as the COO and President of Infotex Holdings when trading was suspended by the SEC for exaggerated statements of income?
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/34-40251.txt
http://www.otcbb.com/dailylist/history/1998/bbdl_07231998.stm
http://www.morgan.edu/academics/SBM/relatio/letter/vol2/page2.htm
Raoul L. Carroll '72
a business administration major, is president and COO of Infotex Holdings, Inc.
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Background
Sky Scientific, Inc. ("Sky") was at all relevant times a California corporation headquartered in Boca Raton, Florida. Sky's common stock has been registered with the Commission pursuant to Section 12(g) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 since August 1990. At all relevant times, Sky purported to be in the businesses of mining and processing precious metals and financial services.
Mark F. Jensen is a CPA licensed in Utah. He was a partner with the Salt Lake City, Utah, firm of Jones, Jensen & Company. Jensen was engaged to assist in and act as concurring partner for the fiscal 1994 audit of Sky.
Facts
Jensen's concurring partner review in the audit of Sky's 1994 financial statements was not conducted in accordance with Generally Accepted Auditing Standards ("GAAS") and the financial statements did not comply with Generally Accepted Accounting Principles ("GAAP"). The audit was deficient with respect to: (1) the valuation of certain purported Russian certificates of deposit ("CDs") which comprised Sky's major asset; (2) the valuation of Sky's mineral properties; and (3) evaluating Sky's accounting for its issuances of restricted stock and Form S-8 stock to purported consultants.
Jensen engaged in improper professional conduct in that he recklessly violated applicable professional standards, including the exercise of due professional care.
The improper professional conduct included failure to comply with GAAS in that Jensen: failed to determine that the engagement partner had planned or performed appropriate audit procedures; maintained control over the confirmation request and response process with respect to the CDs obtained sufficient competent evidential matter concerning the validity and valuation of the CDs, the valuation of Sky's mineral properties, and the value of issuances of Sky's restricted stock and Form S-8 stock; obtained sufficient competent evidential matter concerning Sky's stockholders' equity and exercised due professional care in the performance of the audit.
The Russian CDs were listed on the balance sheet as an asset worth $40 million of Sky's total assets of $69.7 million. Among other things, the audit relied on a facsimile confirmation purporting to be from the Russian bank which was sent to the auditors by the agent who had sold the CDs to Sky, and not the Russian bank. Further, the auditors took insufficient steps to determine if the bank had the ability to honor the CDs, whether it complied with Russian banking regulations, and whether the selling agent had the authority to act on behalf of the bank.
Sky claimed that three of its mineral properties were assets worth $29 million. The three properties had been acquired by Sky in exchange for preferred stock (and in one instance preferred stock and promissory notes). Sky valued the properties at the price stated in its contracts to acquire the properties, i.e., the arbitrary value of the preferred stock and notes exchanged for the properties. Sky, although it purported to be in the mining business had virtually no revenues. It had no cash. Sky instead should have recorded the properties at a reliably determinable fair value. GAAP explains that, when the fair value of an asset received for stock may not be reliably determinable, the asset should be stated at "cost" - i.e., "either by the fair value of the consideration given or by the fair value of the property acquired, whichever is the more clearly evident." However, if neither of these fair values can be determined reliably, the assigned value of the asset should be a nominal amount. The audit failed to properly determine the fair value of the properties or the stock and notes exchanged for them.
Finally, Sky had issued approximately 14 million shares of its common stock, both restricted and unrestricted, to compensate consultants and officers. Under GAAP Sky should have recognized an expense equaling the difference between the price paid for the stock and the market price of the stock of between $7.8 and $10.5 million. Sky did not do so and the auditors failed to insist that it do so.
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a company officer is a noted penny stock con man?
richard gladstone listed as company officer:
http://www.otcbb.com/profiles/AMFR.htm
richard gladstone is a well-known penny stock con artist.
http://www.rgm.com/articles/davis.html
excerpt from this article:
In this letter, the SEC told the BCSC that Twenty First Century was owned by Mr. Davis, a Las Vegas stock promoter under continuing investigations by the SEC and the United States Department of Justice, and that the SEC had obtained information indicating a possible effort by Mr. Davis to manipulate the stock, which was boosted by false press releases and financial statements.
A significant number of trades in securities of Twenty First Century were executed through four British Columbia brokerage firms, including Pacific (International). The SEC was trying to determine if those accounts had been used to facilitate the manipulation of Twenty First Century stock," states the hearing exhibit. In its investigative request, the SEC sought documentation for various accounts at the four Howe Street brokerages, including accounts at Pacific International in the names of Mr. Davis and two other notorious penny stock players, La Jolla Securities and Richard Gladstone.
and here is richard gladstone mentioned in connection with a notorious scam penny outfit out of canada (accused of clearing trades for organized crime figures who ran pump and dumps using phony "news" then shorted the stocks as they sunk after the bogus run-up).
here's an excerpt from that document:
Richard Gladstone July 1991: Fined $150,000 by the NASD and barred from any association with any member of NASD. Brokerage firm (Morgan Gladstone) expelled from NASD
a different article about penny stock scams mentioning richard gladstone:
http://www.rgm.com/articles/cornucopiaofcrooks.html
an excerpt from that article:
The BCSC prosecutor notes that P.I.'s clients attracted an amazing amount of interest from regulators. Between Feb. 9, 1995, and May 12, 1999, there were 77 formal investigation inquiries made by the BCSC for information on client accounts. An additional 35 inquiries were made by VSE personnel between Dec. 1, 1995, and Nov. 5, 1998. BCSC staff also made "numerous inquiries" since June, 1999. This was the second pivotal date for P.I., when Mr. Rachfall and Mr. Patterson were arrested.
In addition, a total of 19 American criminal indictments, dated between October, 1996, and April, 2001, targeted P.I. clients, and five of these indictments specifically mentioned P.I. as a stock or money laundering conduit. Six of the indictments were issued after June, 1999, relating to a handful of dubious Pacific International clients: Wolf Weisse, Richard Gladstone, Hunter Adams, Marka Yagalla, Gerald Burns and Wayne McMullen.
P.I. was also closely watched by the United States Securities and Exchange Commission. The U.S. regulator issued complaints against 18 P.I. clients between February, 1996, and August, 2001.
"Many of the accounts which we will be reviewing with the panel in this case were owned, operated by, or were associated with persons who had unsavoury backgrounds, either because they had been charged or were convicted of fraudulent behaviour or securities offences, or they had other regulatory histories," Mr. Angus told the panel.
this is, more than likely, the same richard gladstone who is listed as an officer with amfr.
sounds like richard gladstone has been known to hang out with a tough crowd.
offshore accounts? pump and dumps? gee, sounds familiar...
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22morgan+glad stone%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&selm=3E49D629.1191C0CE%40direct.ca&rnum=1
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=AMFR&read=16668
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jim wheeler is another con artist and he worked with these con artists to set up a sham sale to falsely boost revenues at american fire retardant.
here's a page outlining mr. wheeler's involvement with universal alliance:
http://www.theloyaltycompany.com/inv_relations.htm
an excerpt from that page:
Matthew Basson was CEO of Universal Alliance (Parent Company) and left the company in the hands of his partner Jim Wheeler (Chairman) in early 2,000.
and who was involved with mr. wheeler in selling fraudulent stock? gee, none other than matthew basson...
http://www.corp.ca.gov/enf/info/dr/02pdf/universal.pdf
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=AMFR&read=16133
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global media management, yet another scam associated with this scam?
lmfao! these crooks are coming out of the woodwork!
http://www.stocklemon.com/articles/02_14_03.html
an excerpt from the article:
Global Media Management
On January 23, 2003, InternetStudios announced a strategic relationship with Global Media Management out of Memphis, Tennessee. http://quote.bloomberg.com/fgcgi.cgi?T=
marketsquote99 _news.ht&s=APjASNBeeSW50ZXJu
A phone call made to the investor relations department told us that Global Media is a ?multi billion dollar? fund. Maybe these guys should do their homework on their prospective partners. Global Media Management is a company that is run by a gentleman named Sam Cooper. In the link below we see that Mr. Cooper has a history of making empty promises. But then again, does Internetstudios really care or was it nothing more than an announcement. http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/opinions/tca/PDF/004/
lindseybradleymaloy.pdf
a "history of making empty promises?"
he fits right in!
bring on james wheeler and universal alliance! http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=AMFR&read=15523
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was raoul l carroll, (AMFR's CEO) part of these 2 SEC complaints (trading suspensions) http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/34-39578.txt
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/suspensions/34-40251.txt
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the company covertly increased AS by 2000%
http://ragingbull.lycos.com/mboard/boards.cgi?board=AMFR&read=16969
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the company put a gag order on the TA in january, stripping SH'ers of a basic right to information
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over 20 aliases were created just to pump this POS, and a new wave of aliases has begun for this cycle
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anyone with any history in the otcbb should remember well the infotopia and blagman media promotions, and their subsequent "airing" of infomercials...did that help SP...and didn't both of those companies also put a gag order on their TA?
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and the defining statement in this years 10K relative to truth in previous company statements:
"...there have been no sales of Fyberix 2000V..."
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it would appear that ANYONE "supporting" this POS is either deluded and naive, a greedy AH willing to do anything to propagate mis-information, or a company shill
at current SP of .003, market cap is approx. $3M, with a net loss of close to $6M last year, and less tha $3K in cash
operating expenses of over $6M last year...and that was with 0 sales!!...FOR WHAT?
imo, there will NEVER be sales of any significance that will have a material effect (longer term) on SP for the current SH's...and this company has P'ed off too many people, and what appears to be the continued illegal issuance of stock should have a red flag waving in the SEC's face
CONCLUSION:
it appears that at least for the moment, the company has stopped dumping new shares, however, given their track record, one could speculate that that could change in a heartbeat, (and a new S8 would be issued after the fact anyway)
the highest volume days (april 3-9, 4-500M) were at SP's 100-200% higher than current SP, and all the jawing by posters about "potential" is just posturing for an exit,
and any "strength" off of "news" will be met by a huge wall
estimates are OS is close to 1B (adding up the shares given on the K works out to 888M)
if this crooked POS were able to claw its way back to .008, that would give it an estimated market cap of $7M or so...and even before the RS, when OS was 30M or so, the highest market cap was less than $3M....right where it is now
the wildcard is that the SEC may step in first, (ala IBCL, RMEC, et. al.), but lmao, even that will only be a temporary setback for these MF'ers
RE: so called GLOVE BOX tech
this BS has been shuffled around for years
and by no other than the infamous FAZ [frances a. zubrowski] of the old MJXX/MJXC
from a MJXC filing:
"(4) GLOVE BOX(tm)
The GLOVE BOX(tm) is a product designed for use in the high technology industry, medical facilities, doctors and dentist offices which allows the worker or practitioner to put on, or "don" gloves without touching the outside of the glove surface, thereby preventing possible contamination of the gloves exterior. The product basically is a voice activated glove applicator whereby the practitioner inserts his or her hands into gloves positioned in a sealed chamber that are literally "blown up" by applying a slight vacuum or negative pressure to the exterior of the glove surface."
h ttp://www.pinksheets.com/quote/print_filings.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilename%3D0001094328%252D02%252D000055%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2002%255C03%255C19%255C&symbol=MJXX
they were promoting that POS as coming to market for years before they pawned it off to these AH for them to give oit a spin
[This message has been edited by wingnut (edited November 20, 2003).]
did this all come from raging bull? i hope for any one in this you read all of this. what a rat's nest. i have been trading this since .0012 and have done well. is this a perfectly timed pack of lies? has anyone ordered tree safe on the internet? i would have to believe these guys mentioned here are going to continue operating as scam artists. this raging bull post must be the reason for the pullback.
the charts seem to indicate continued cycling, but i am certainly going to read all of this and do more digging.
if this was a straight dump, why didn't orders fill and even traded below the buy price?
this one really has me puzzled, but i am in too big and too deep to just bail out.
uncle milty
[This message has been edited by BetNitAll (edited November 20, 2003).]
in the post with all of the links by wingnut, i am trying to find afrr. there is amfr, and several other companies and i realize the links and m.o. similarities are all in worth checking out. even the name is the same. is there anyone close enough to their location to do a physical check? even the glove box, which i never paid much attention to until the chinese link came up lately. i hope this isn't the same show in a different town.
i am in a better position with my apps than most of you (actually bumped it up with today's buy at .003). you all have to make your own decisions on this and any stock you get into. tomorrow i'm sure we will all be watching closely.
uncle milty
uncle milty i need ur advice i have 212000 shares at .0048 what should i do
my gut tells me hold
so pretty much the same answers, just hoping they aren't lying about contracts...cause to get picked up by a chain could help this out big time
quote:
Originally posted by BetNitAll:
I am in pretty big as well to just bail out. I called their office and aksed about ordering one tree safe item. She said I could order one online. I asked if there will be any in the stores, she said they are working on it but they don't have any contracts so she couldn't tell me for sure. Lets everyone calm down a little. Maybe this has to do with some naked selling.
Thier website is treesafe.com. The lady told me that she has been their 9 months and its been a good comapny to her, also she said some guy called and ordered two paalets worth. A little flirting gets you a long way.
This stock is a buy, I just know it.
Check out their web site. They even did a commercial on TBN, the christain channel.[This message has been edited by BetNitAll (edited November 20, 2003).]
[This message has been edited by Moose (edited November 20, 2003).]
[This message has been edited by wingnut (edited November 20, 2003).]
wingnut, could you ask your friend to describe in more detail what he saw?
i need to shower and go play music at the mexican independence day fiesta all night. i wont be able to check again till 2 am est.
i hope by then there is more news to help us all sleep a little better.
i think the blues will be easy to play tonight. LOL put out this fire!!!
uncle melting
I bring this up for several reasons, good and bad.
This is not the AFRR product TreeSafe (http://treesafe.com/) BUT having so much of this stuff in the aisles of the big chains is good for product awareness. And AFRR is selling their product for $8 less per bottle. ($19.95 vs $11.95)
So basically this is bad as it is not the product we want to see selling but it is advertising in a sense. I for one was not aware of such a product and wondered if I was delerious when I bought this stock. Now that I see zillions of bottles of this type of product everywhere, at least that puts my mind at ease.
I think AFRR is a little late on the marketing to get a toe in with the bigs.
But, I wonder if TreeSafe is making it into other markets like, Ace Hardware stores, AACO stores or whatever the Handy Andy type hardware store chain is near you? Or if it is showing up regionally in grocery stores (they sell lots of Christmas trees at grocery stores here)? All I know is that today in Fort Collins Colorado, I did not see TreeSafe anywhere.
I wonder if any of the rest of you could let us know what product you see in your stores.
I'm in at .004, holding and hoping.
Thanks,
newcomer
chill
FURTHERMORE, HE HAS NOT A CLUE AS TO RETAIL MARKETING....
RIGHT BLACK????
Please explain if you care to.
chill
moose
Also, this was on a website for fireman or something like that
Name: ED
Email: egrys@treesafe.com
HomePage: http://treesafe.com/index.php?ref=8
Where are
you from: CA
Comments: “TreeSafe” is a new spray-on Retardant that protects Xmas trees from fire...! Check it out here http://treesafe.com/index.php?ref=8 Please pass this message on to other Fire Departments for your upcoming XMAS Tree Fire Safety Program demonstrations. Contact Ed at egrys@treesafe.com
October 22, 2003 00:16:51 (GMT Time)
Their even on a website called Christmas Mall. Under Tree Care products
TThis company is for real, its all over the internet. Several websites have links to AFRR's site. Plus Treesafe is participating in several Christain organizations like Kiwanas. They just need to get off their d@mn butts and stop doing info-mercials and try some cable and network channels.
If they give a PR concerning a big company, this stock should fly.
Read the latest posts from RB for today. There is also more info...good or bad.
Here is the link to the store where the product is currently. The name of the store is Cole they are located in San Francisco and they have 4 stores. http://www.colehardware.com/#locate I have not been able to call them to see if it is there but the product was supposed to be in the stores on Monday. The only thing I have seen in my stores up here is a product called tree-safe from a different company. http://www.firetect.com/tree_safe.htm
One year prior to the opening of the new location, I convinced my father that we should become an Ace Hardware Store. Ace was reluctant to let us join, as we were so small. However, when they came out and watched my father sell, they signed us up immediately and we became the smallest Ace Hardware store in the nation! Ace has been one of the many keys to our success. Ace is a buying cooperative, so along with more than 5,000 other hardware stores nationwide, we purchase merchandise directly from manufacturers. This enables us to have competitive pricing and gives us access to almost anything manufactured. This new buying power, coupled with our larger location, had a very positive public impact. Today, Ace supplies us with over 75% of our total inventory!
It's not like AFRR is a ficticious company, after all they actually have a "successful" product in the 3-in-1 Hero. Has anyone actually seen or bought any or know anything about it's sales?
One thing that did bother me as I checked the webpage(actually a couple but grammar/spelling aren't really the issue here) Online shopping is "Coming Soon"?!! They have no store outlets and the only way to get the product is to CALL or fill out a form?! You gotta be kidding me.
Are they just now starting to deal with the general public, did I miss something?
U4TSAF2-For You
WRONG U4!
Your post was strictly speculation, and was based to your knowledge and not facts as I stated before. Your first post seem to only bash the stock, with no motive. It was also confusing, and I wasnt the only one to vouch for that. Im pleased you read the post about AFRR from the other hardworking researchers, but you responded slightly to fast and I think you will know what Im talking about if you continue to read this post. You jumped to conclusion since CHILL posted the release about a product similar to AFRR's is already in the wal-mart stores. There's more than one kind of radio that sells in a store, its not just one name brand radio in their inventory. Its more than one which makes the products competitive. Then what BETNIALL posted only added fuel to your butt when FRAUD was mentioned into his post. You were Contempting prior to investigations, because he did say
"I am going to do dome more checking, see if I can find anything."
Just in my opinion:Usually those who own a stock show more interest, in this case the message board. Usually those who dont own, dont speak as much about the stock, and if they do its usually never anything postive or something misleading(I think you and EMNU fall in that category).
Please read on though.......
"wingnut" "wingnut" "wingnut"
Going for the longest record on a single post,lol.
Thats interesting information you pulled from raging bull, I also read that board to. It seems like a lot of negativity and sorrow on AFRR. Its great that you found those post and posted them here though, it definently got me and Im sure others thinking.
And the winner for best DD goest to
"BetNitAll"
Me, Milty, and others are also in big and I have nothing to lose at this point.
Thats some excellent DD man, really it is.
So this product is actually in retail stores, but hasnt been shelved. Even if Wal-Mart is out of the question for this year, who's there to say that there products may not expand to other small business hardware stores. This may be a big break for AFRR. Also the product already listed in Wal-Mart by another company (just speculation) could be a company AFRR may be trying to collaborate with.
CHILL & MOOSE awesome DD and to others I missed giving gratitude
Just a tad bit of DD from me
AFRR has been having financials problems for quite some time. Because Wingnut before AMFR they were originally AFRC.
But within less than a month they became a Deliquent of SEC Filing causing them to have a E at the end of their symbol.(AFRCE)
Finally there was a symbol change to AMFR along with the Reverse Split( i was unable to dig up news that went as far back as 6/27/03(day it occurred)but Im guessing this was to reduce some debt and after that this stock went down hill.
It seems now that AFRR is working harder than ever before to not only make some sales, but also reduce debt. At this stage Im in comfort with AFRR, I think its just everyone wants it to hit a high price the next day ya buy it.
there were some mysteries perhaps answered by your first post wingnut. the recent slide? it made us all think. some asked questions, chill checked the shelves in the local stores, several made phone calls, and others shared specific first hand knowledge and experience. a few jumped to conclusions.
we now know the incriminating thread is gone from raging bull too. some of what happened this week is starting to make a little sense. i doubt if this is the end of what we find out about afrr but i'm going to sleep better, just as soon as the amplifiers quit ringing in my head.
this is how it is supposed to work.
uncle milty
[This message has been edited by lakedog (edited November 21, 2003).]
Anyway,if you enter AFRR You can get the list of management and MMs by going to Company Profile. Management is at the bottom of the page. There is a link on the page to Market Maker list. If you access the The Board link which will show you who is bidding what, when.
I compared these players last night with those mentioned in the vanished RB posts and after about two hours of reading, eyes bleeding, I came to the following conclusions:
I found few connections between those currently associated with AFRR and those mentioned in the posts.
What the connections there were reminded me of that movie "Six Degrees of Separation" that we are all connected by six or fewer stages of circumstance or acquaintance and especially tight in a particular field such as trading.
I really slept well last night. Maybe I'm too new at this and too optomistic but after all I am just
chill
uncle milty
F.Y.I.
Here is a PR from last year at this time.... does this sound familiar?
AFRC Adds TreeSafe To Its Xmas List
11/26/2002 11:51:00 AM
SAN DIEGO, Nov 26, 2002 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- American Fire Retardant Corp. (AMFR) launches TreeSafe, its new spray-on Xmas tree fire retardant product just in time for the holidays. According to fire officials predictions, there will be over 1,200 holiday-related fires and 190 injuries and deaths - plus the untold millions in property damage this year alone. With TreeSafe most of those fires could have been prevented. According to Steve Owens, AFRC's president, "We recently formed a joint-venture with Teknowlage to design and develop an Internet eCommerce TreeSafe website. In addition, Teknowlage will also implement an aggressive email marketing and advertising campaign to promote the product and drive traffic to the site. We expect that this approach will quickly extend our reach all across North America. Visitors to the website will also find useful fire safety tips, as well as important information about how to best care for their tree." The website is - http://www.treesafe.com. Jim Wheeler AFRC's marketing director says, "To enhance the direct response aspect of the TreeSafe website, Fawcett Productions has produced both a 60 second and 2 minute television commercial. The two television spots are part of a plan that we are putting together for Per Inquiry firms to air the TreeSafe commercials based on a revenue sharing model." "TreeSafe is an outstanding product with a great market potential. The product is non-toxic, non-corrosive, kid and pet friendly." He adds, "TreeSafe doesn't discolor tree needles and reduces needle drop." TreeSafe is expected to sell for $12.95 plus shipping and handling. AFRC has recently moved its corporate offices and manufacturing plant to a larger facility. The new address is 9316 Wheatlands Road, Suite C, Santee, CA 92071. American Fire Retardant Corp. is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant chemicals. The company provides fire resistive finishing services through its "Textile Processing Center" for commercial users. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations. Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this new release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results. There can be no assurance as to the amount of revenue that will be generated from the TreeSafe commercial or website.
quote:
Originally posted by old mullet:
thanks for calling them.in the post with all of the links by wingnut, i am trying to find afrr. there is amfr, and several other companies and i realize the links and m.o. similarities are all in worth checking out. even the name is the same. is there anyone close enough to their location to do a physical check? even the glove box, which i never paid much attention to until the chinese link came up lately. i hope this isn't the same show in a different town.
uncle milty
sic em old yeller
uncle milty
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dont let this spoil your weekend. i intend to enjoy mine. mas musica!!
uncle milty
This bit of news should give you a taste as to what you might anticipate for the stock, I suggest that any investor located in these areas outlined play close attention to the news.
Cj
GOOD LUCK ALL
GREAT to see you visiting! I'm SURE many of us would LOVE to have you come back permanently! I'd say 99% of everyone here have nothing but good intentions to help each other. Don't let the 1% get you down. I'm sure you've read that some are still jumping all over Kevin, but his side of the story needs to be heard too. This IS America, right? I just wish people would keep it to 'stock' discussions and not get nasty or personal. About 1/2 dozen of you - who I conside to be A+ posters have disappeared or only post infrequently now since I joined in Aug. - and that's a terrible loss.
Have a HAPPY THANKSGIVING!
Steve
PS: I'd appreciate it if you'd send me your email address. I see it's not in your profile anymore. Hope all is well with you.
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nice to hear from you. i couldn't agree more and hope that this board returns to discussing stocks more. i think when people begin to lose money they look at anyone to point a finger at to soften the loss instead of taking full responsibility for pushing the trade button. i also think the vast majority of contributors here are really trying to help and to win. i wish the members who left came back and that everyone ignored some of the personal stuff that seems to catch on fire. i hope we hear more from both of our island buddies in the future.
all the best and i hope your holiday season has a good start.
thanks for participating in this afrr thread.
off into the weekend, or at oat willie says, "onward through the fog". (that should catch the attention of the hill country folks)
uncle milty
It didn't look like anyone else posted this historical data regarding the company. I was following up on Wingnuts research. If you notice the company had subsidiaries (Wyoming, Florida and Lousiana). I think that is part of the mix up with this company. People were able to make negative statements because of no real knowledge of the company. Now that it is all consolidated, I don't think they will have any issues.
Also, the patent that the product is based on: Patent# 5,631,047 showed up as being expired due to lack of payment for maintenance. I did some searching in the patent database and as of 11/22/2003 everything is up to date. You can search it yourself: http://pair.uspto.gov/
So guys, I think after everything is said and done, Uncle Milty has picked a winner (on paper so far). We just need to sit back, relax and enjoy the ride. Hopefully, others will dig deeper and realize this company is legit just having a difficult time getting the ball rolling.
The Company is recognized by the State Contractors Board of California as a subcontractor in the field of Fireproofing- California License #788543. Firestop and Fire Film is a service the Company offers in the new and retrofit construction industry.
HISTORICAL BUSINESS INFORMATION: The Company originally commenced operations as a corporation organized under the laws of the State of Florida ("AFRC Florida") on November 20, 1992.
In 1993, AFRC Florida incorporated in the State of Louisiana, as a separate and distinct entity having the same shareholders as AFRC Florida.
On June 29, 1993, American Fire Retardant Corporation, a Louisiana Corporation ("AFRC Louisiana") was formed.
On March 4, 1994, AFRC Florida qualified to do business in the State of California under the name American Fire Retardant Corporation. AFRC Florida closed the facility operated in Florida in August 1994, but continued to maintain its good standing status within the State of Florida.
On July 24, 1995, AFRC, a Wyoming corporation ("AFRC Wyoming"), was incorporated. Upon the formation of AFRC Wyoming, AFRC Wyoming acquired all the issued and outstanding shares from the shareholders of AFRC Florida and AFRC Louisiana, in exchange for newly issued shares of AFRC Wyoming, whereby AFRC Florida and AFRC Louisiana became wholly owned subsidiaries of AFRC Wyoming.
In January 1998, as part of the plan restructuring and change of the domicile of the Company, AFRC Wyoming formed American Fire Retardant Corp., a Nevada corporation, the present Company.
On June 24, 1997, American Fire Retardant Corporation entered into a royalty agreement with Norman O. Houser, wherein the Company would utilize Mr. Houser's vermicide compound for the companies patented 2000V formulation. The agreement grants Mr. Houser the sum of $0.75 per gallon on the sale of American Fire Retardant Corporation's Fyberix 2000V.
On October 15, 2001, American Fire Retardant Corporation announced that they were introducing a series of aerosol cans filled with fire retardant designed to save lives and property by protecting the inner infrastructure of homes from fire. The first two of these products are designed to protect fabrics used in upholstery and draperies and the second is used to protect Christmas trees. There will also be four other aerosol cans for treating other types of material, such as wood, to make them fire resistive. These cans will be available through retail outlets, the Internet and mail order.
AFRR American Fire Retardant Corp
AMFR American Fire Retardant Corporation New (1-10 R/S) 06/27/2003
AFRC American Fire Retardant Corp 09/12/2002
AFRCE American Fire Retardant Corp 04/23/2002
AFRC American Fire Retardant Corp 04/22/2002
AFRCE American Fire Retardant Corp 12/05/2001
AFRC American Fire Retardant Corp 11/30/2001
Patent# Serial# Issue Date
5,631,047 08/530,691 05/20/97
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United States Patent 5,631,047
Friloux May 20, 1997
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Combination fire retardant, anti-soiling and biocidal agent
Abstract
This invention relates to a composition suitable for use as a combination fire retardant, soil and water protectant, and biocide, and to the method of making and applying the composition. The preferred embodiment contains the following ingredients: from 2.30% to 9.22% by total weight of ammonium phosphate, monobasic; from 2.30% to 9.22% by total weight of ammonium phosphate, dibasic; from 2.30% to 9.22% by total weight of a compound comprising approximately 50% ammonium polyphosphate, 3% urea, and 47% water; from 2.60% to 10.4% by total weight of a fluorinated acrylic polymer; from 0.025% to 0.1% by total weight of coco imidazuline dicarboxylate; from 1.00% to 4.00% by total weight of organotin; and from 57.84% to 89.475% by total weight of water. The composition is applied to porous materials, such as fabrics, wood, cardboard, or fiberboard, for protection from fire, soil and water damage, and virus and fungus growth. The composition may be applied by spraying it onto the materials or by dipping the materials into the composition.
thanks for the research. nothing like facts to base a decision on. i first mentioned this back when it was at .0012 and have played it and posted about it allot. but the credit goes to everybody who has participated in the ongoing discussion and research. if someone made decisions to get into or out of this without doing their own dd, that was a mistake. this board has provided allot of help and some good links. thank all of you no matter what your opinion was. we need to hear all of them to help give us a balanced outlook.
back to the shop,
uncle milty
, i guess since i started this post i dont get any credit? LOL im kiddin... The Commercials were suppose start today; but funny thing is who's going to answer there calls. I tried calling the # and it said they were close, so even if they did air commericals noone would be there to answer the call right? If thats the case this company has wasted air time for Saturday and Sunday.
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Originally posted by blackice318:
Tonight I did what you call, look deeper into the stock.The Commercials were suppose start today; but funny thing is who's going to answer there calls. I tried calling the # and it said they were close, so even if they did air commericals noone would be there to answer the call right? If thats the case this company has wasted air time for Saturday and Sunday.
actually the number you called is AFRR's office number...the commercial airs a 1-800 number that sells many different products, of which one is treesafe(just ask for treesafe). The number is 1800-413-5533
-moose-
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quote:
Originally posted by blackice318:
Betnitall if you have AOL Instant Messenger can you IM me at blackice318?
Name a time and I'll be there
HOW MUCH PRODUCT AND HOW DIFFICULT WOULD THIS PRODUCT BE TO SHIP OUT TO JUST ABOUT EVERY OUTLET THAT SELLS TREES. JUST WALMART ALONE, SAY 25 BOTTLE PER STORE AND YOUR INTO 5+ MILLION BOTTLES AT WALMART ALONE. FURTHERMORE, YOU HAVE TO CREATE 5 MILLION BOTTLES AND FIRE-STUFF IN THOSE BOTTLES. AFRR DOESN'T HAVE THE CASH RESERVES FOR THAT PURCHASE LET ALONE MOST OTHER MAJOR OUTLETS.
IF YOUR LOOKING FOR A AFRR RETURN BASED UPON SOME FORMULA TO SAVE TREES FROM FLAMES, YOU'LD BE REALISTIC TO PLAN ON NEXT CHRISTMAS JUST TO FULFIL THE ORDERS FROM SEVERAL BIG OUTLETS THAT WANT YOUR STUFF.
FURTHERMORE, THERE IS NO NATIONAL ADVERTISING CAMPAIGN WITH THIS COMMERCIAL. UNLESS YOU GET SOME BIG BACKERS TO PUT UP THE PARTNERSHIP FOR ADVERTISING, KEEP LOOKING FOR YOUR COMMERICAL THAT YOU PROBABLY WONT SEE. A COMMERCIAL AND A NATIONAL COMMERCIAL ARE 2-DIFFERENT STORIES.
AFRR JUMPED ABOUT 2 OR SO MONTHS AGO FROM .0039 AND UP 175% IN ONE DAY. NO PRODUCT, NO PR, NO NOTHING.
I SAID IT BEFORE AND HERE IT GOES AGAIN; YOUR STOCK WILL PROBABLY CONTINUE TO FLOP UNTIL AFTER CHRISTMAS AND THEN WHEN YOU ALL DUMP YOUR STOCK AND SWEAR UP A STORM ABOUT AFRR, JAN 4, 04 THE STOCK WILL CLIMB 600% ON NO PR, NO PRODUCT, NO NOTHING.
U4TSAF2
You must understand retail marketing before you go talking about something you dont understand. Lets say Wal-mart were looking for new manufacturers for the Christmas season. AFRR may have the opportunity to offer there product along with its benefits of why it would sell. If AFRR can display a valueable business plan, anythings possible. Besides, most companies offer prototypes or samples to companies to receieve input or feedback. If Wal-mart was interested in this stock,trust me AFRR would be able to create revenue one of two ways.
1.Present a awesome business plan to the bank for a loan
2.Wal-Mart Specially order the bottles, therefore they wont have to worry about sales if they purchase a selected volume because they would already be compensated.
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HOW COME I KNEW I WOULD GET A INDIVIDUAL OR INDIVIDUALS WHOM THINK I'M WRONG.
WELL FIRST OFF, MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT IS CORRECT.
NOW BLACK, YOU STATE THAT THE TECHNICALS OF THE CHARTS AFRR IS OVERSOLD. QUESTION THEN IS IF THIS IS THE CASE, HOW AND WHY DID THE STOCK JUMP 175% IN A SINGLE DAY ABOUT 1 1/2 MONTHS AGO WITH NO PR, NO INFO, NO PRODUCT, NO NOTHING? THAT JUMP IS IMPOSSIBLE ON A "OVER-SOLD" STOCK. IMPOSSIBLE AND AGAIN, ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE.
EVERY STOCK IS A MEDIUM TO LONG TERM HOLD NO MATTER WHAT MARKET YOU DEAL WITH. WHILE MOST ON THIS BOARD ARE DEFINITELY NOT HAPPY UNLESS THEY CAN RIDE THOSE FREE SHARES AFTER MAKING A 500% GAIN IN 12 MINUTES.
A INVESTOR THAT PLAYS THE SHORT HOLD GAIN WILL BE OUT OF MONEY IN NO TIME. THERE ARE ABSOLUTELY NO EXCEPTIONS TO THIS RULE.
RETAIN MARKETING I DON'T UNDERSTAND?
WALMART HAS NO CARE/CONCERN/INTEREST ABOUT AFRR STOCK. AFRR HAS TO GOTO WALMART, SHOW THEM A PRODUCT, SPRAY A TREE AND SET IT ON FIRE AND SHOW THAT THE TREE WONT BURN. WALMART SAYS WOW, WHAT A GREAT PRODUCT, WE WANT 25 PER STORE AND WE NEED THEM DELIVERED IN 10-DAYS. AFRR NOW FREAKS OUT BECAUSE THEY JUST POSTED A QUARTER LOSS AND HAVE TO SCRAMBLE TO COME UP WITH 5 MILLION BOTTLES IN 10-DAYS. NOW THAT IS WALMART, WHAT ABOUT ACE, HOME DEPOT, HOME SHOPPING, K-MART, ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC.ETC. WITH A DOCUMENTED LOSS AND NO CASH IN THE BANK, YOU CAN ISSUE MORE STOCK TO RAISE CAPITAL OR CHOSE VENTURE CAPITAL WHICH WILL GRANT MONEY BUT THEY NOW OWNS 51% OF YOUR BUSINESS.
A BANK LOAN FOR SEED FINANCING? SEED FINANCING IS FOR A NEW PRODUCT OF ANY TYPE, NEW NAIL, GLUE, TELEVISION, ETC. AND THE CASH IS TO GROW THAT CERTAIN PRODUCT. CALL YOUR LOCAL BANK AND TELL THEM YOU HAVE A NEW LAWNMOWER THAT IS BETTER THAN ANYTHING, HOME DEPOT JUST ORDERED 1500 OF THEM AND YOU NEED SOME SEED MONEY AND SEE WHAT YOU GET. LET ALONE ONE TO A PUBLIC TRADED COMPANY WITH A STOCK PRICE OF .0038... BUT MR. BANK, LOOK AT MY AWESOME MARKET PLAN, IT REALLY LOOKS GOOD. GOSH WALMART, YOU MEAN YOU WONT PAY ME $15 MILLION DOLLARS IN ADVANCE TO COVER MY COSTS OF PRODUCING 5 MILLION BOTTLES FOR YOUR WALMART STORES BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY SELL THEM???
HELLO MR. MANUFACTURER WHO MAKES MY FIRE-PROOF TREE JUICE, YEA WALMART ORDERED 5 MILLION BOTTLES, K-MART ORDERED 3 MILLION, ACE ORDERED 1 MILLION AND I GOT ANOTHER 11 MILLION MISC ORDERS THAT NEED TO BE FILLED. CAN YOU MAKE ALL THAT FOR ME AND BILL ME LATER AFTER WE SELL ALL THE PRODUCT?
AH, AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND RETAIL MARKETING????
SO THIS IDIOT (ME) WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT RETAIL MARKETING/INVESTING WILL JUST ACCEPT YOUR KNOWLEDGE BASE AND EXCELLENT DD WORK ON AFRR TO SHOW WHY/HOW THIS STOCK WILL MOVE, IS OVER-SOLD, AND HOW AFRR WILL GET THIS "NEW" PRODUCT ON THE STORE SHELVES.
4 PAGES TO THIS AFRR POST 194 LISTINGS?????
HERE'S A 100% GUARANTEE AND A QUASH OF HOPES. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE TREE-JUICE TO AFFECT THIS STOCK THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON. IMPOSSIBLE IMPOSSIBLE IMPOSSIBLE. TOTAL SALES COULD NOT EVEN BE CACULATED TO MAKE THIS THING RISE BY CHRISTMAS SINCE THAT INFO WOULD BE DOCUMENTED ON A 1/4 REPORT. IF WALMART HAS 5 MILLION BOTTLES ORDERED TODAY, PRODUCTION TIME, SHIPPING TIME, STOCKING TIME, ETC. WILL TAKE 2-3 MONTHS. IF THIS WASN'T THE CASE IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, WHY ARE ALL STORES OUT OF THE HOT TICKET CHRISTMAS ITEMS EVERY YEAR???? HOW MANY OF YOU COULD HAVE FOUND A TICKLE ME ELMO 4 YEARS AGO? HOW ABOUT A N-64? ETC.ETC.ETC.
SO KEEP POSTING YOUR TOTALLY UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS ABOUT THIS AND THAT WITH REGARD TO AFRR BUT I ASSURE YOU AND GUARANTEE THE FOLLOWING:
NO. 1 TREE-JUICE WILL NOT DO 1 IODA FOR THIS STOCK RIGHT NOW NOR ANYTIME SOON.
NO. 2 AFRR WILL JUMP ONCE AGAIN AS IT HAS MANY TIMES BEFORE WITH NO TREE-JUICE, NO CHRISTMAS, NO NOTHING.
NO. 3 AFRR STOCK GOES UP JUST LIKE ANY OTHER: MORE BUYERS THAN SELLERS, STOCK FLIES; MORE SELLFERS THAN BUYERS, STOCK DUMPS. EQUAL AMOUNT OF BUYERS AND SELLERS, STOCK STAYS PUT.
I don't think anyone here thinks they are going to make a mint overnight on AFRR. At least I don't. I have quite a few shares, and I plan on a longterm hold, maybe two or three years. I can wait that long to make a bundle. After all, Wall Street wasn't built in a day, and my portfolio isn't going to be built in a day either.
Here's a tip that some of you have probably heard already, but it won't hurt to mention it again. www.1kto100k.com
I have put about 5 grand into it (I got started about 4 months late) and I hope the luck holds. Luck ... smarts ... whatever it is he uses to pick stocks, I hope it continues. He did it last year, and is well on the way this year ... turning $1000 into $100,000 in less than a year. Anyway, I am following his lead, and I will see where it takes me.
Best to all ...
I would be interested in discussing what you guys think about an exit strategy.
U4, why do you think this will keep tanking until January 04?
Plf
thanks to EVERYONE who has contributed to the afrr topics.
i will continue to play this stocks beta, as it has a response, albeit short sometimes to news items. i am not buying afrr's ability to produce within any given time frame, i am buying the investors swing in opinion in afrr. that is what makes the price move. i have played it since it traded at .0012 and have found it to be a rewarding short term play.
see you for mondays bell.
uncle milty.
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
First and far most the S-8. For those who are unware of what it is it is
S8-This form is used for the registration of securities to be offered to an issuer's employees pursuant to certain plans
According to the press release if I was reading it right they're 1,590,000,000 @ .004. Thats a lot of shares to unload,buy, or whatever(still tryin to understand what it means myself)
Another thing is there are more shares oustanding vs. authorized. And those of you who dont know is, if there is more outstanding shares than authorized shares, the stock usually move much or drops. This is bad, but all stocks are different. If there are more Authorized shares than outstanding the company can sell off some of those shares, in order for the company to fund itself in whatever matter needed. Unfortuantely I dont think AFRR can do that.
All that being said AFRR is still poise to rise, since the commericials are supposingly supposed to be aired. Those of you who havent actually seen the commercial but would like to see it here it is.
http://treesafe.com/see_video.php
As a daytrader you must have extreme patients and accuracy in scanning a stock and finding a exit point a stock. After looking at the pro's and con's of this stock and my current shareholder value the exit point for me is slightly unquestionalbe.
Looking at the charts
10 Day Moving Average: The Stocks Below the MA and very very slightly decreased
20 Day Moving Average: The Stocks Below the MA and is decreasing
32 Day Moving Average: The Stocks Below the MA and is slightly decreasing
50 Day Moving Average: The Stocks Below the MA and has a very very slight decrease
100 Day Moving Average: The Stocks below the MA and a constistent decline is apparent with a indication though*****
Viewing a 24 Month/2 Year Chart on this sucker it did the same old thing in November. It took a massavie drop.
November 1st 2002, the stock price was 1.60.
It continued to alltime high of $12.40 before taking for the rest of the month. Shortly after thanksgiving the stock was around $1.90 and managed to rise up to $7.20 by December 16th.
What does this mean?
Im a trendy type person so I feel the drop followed a trend, and by the information also provided by other fellow investors.
~The Volume sucked during this time
Isnt the news excellent timing, so i think this week will be a slight increase followed by a pop. Based on charting exit point would be .01. My instinct is saying .004-.005
F.Y.I.
i couldn't get the commercial to work ice. i think i have a really serious firewall that causes me problems. thanks for posting it.. i'm still watching and waiting for the next news pop.
uncle milty
What if we all pumped this stock on different boards with some actual true DD to maybe get more interest as far as in the stock and then maybe we could look forward to a strong open. .
Just a evil thought of a daytrader,im so impatient.LOL
so if we don't see a pr about anything by the end of the week, I'll start to worry then...(most I think I'll stay in this is another two weeks, but I don't need the funds right now so i'll stay in this one for now hoping for something good)
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I would start e-mailing them before Thanksgiving .. and then after Thanksgiving double up the efforts ..
before you know it the company may announce that Wal-mart will be carrying the product for Christmas!!!
PS. can we purchase their stock
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Originally posted by DOUBLE L:
Moose how did you get this I thought it would air on wed at 10. Do you live in kansas or did you just search web site?You beat me to the punch.Good job. I live in kansas so I was planning to watch this wed.I hope this helps all holders. Might buy if fnix sells.
alright alright alright...you caught me...I got it off of RaginBull, yes I visited that horrid site, I'm sorry!
lol
someone posted it on RB, funny thing is that people were accusing him of changing the treesafe.com link at the bottom of the page from the other 'Tree Safe' product company... but how could someone get into that site and change the link...just a bunch of bashers over on RB...
in the mean time we can only second guess this unconventional company's promotional plan.
the test only added to the reality of the product. for me anyway. thanks moose
hey i used to know i guy in alaska who was nicknamed moose. huge guy who always said he was 5' 20" when someone asked the how tall question.
uncle milty
F.Y.I.
Greg.
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
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Benefit out ways risk. My opinion only
Greg.
DUDE HOLD THE DAMN THING
MY STOMACH NEVER HURT ME IN MY LIFE TILL I BOUGHT INTO AFRR AND THTHF BUT ANYWAYS IM STILL HOLDING
LOVED THAT ARTICLE ON ITS TESTING GAVE ME SOME MORE WILL TO LIVE LOL
Dear Santa,
All I want for christmas is a crap load of treesafe(maybe some 3-1Hero too)
and...a CE Mark for LifeLine Biotech.
and...Something for ThinkPath, just something!
oh oh oh...and lots and lots of diamonds from Casavant!
Thats All!
afrr is certainly not a valid comparison to trph or the other two, unless it makes this marketing work, and then, maybe we will see it hit a copper or two by q-4 reporting time.
i have hiked almost all of the way to the bottom of the canyon and i am hanging in there till i find out if there is a stream with water in it. with a little luck my ponies will all survive and i might even pan a little gold while im there. i'll keep a pot of coffee on the fire for those of you who survive the trip.
uncle milty
So...I e-mailed my local News channel, CH Global News, and told them about this wonderful producted called treesafe. I suggested doing a possible demo like other channels in the Stats have done.
So if they agree, that could boost sales up here in Canada.
Heres hoping!
hope this helps:
SAN DIEGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Nov. 5, 2003--Spurred by increased product sales, American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB:AFRR - News) announced today that they are increasing the production of TreeSafe.
According to Stephen F. Owens, President of AFRC, "Our online and offline sales activity strongly suggest that there is enough demand to justify increasing production by another 120,000 bottles." TreeSafe is the company's new easy-to-use spray-on fire retardant for real Christmas trees. Owens adds, "Because the holiday season is so short, it is imperative that we have product in inventory for immediate delivery. We are taking this action in anticipation of new orders and because our customers expect quick delivery times."
In other news, the company also announced that it has initiated a public service campaign and is urging fire departments to join the company's Holiday Fire Safety Initiative. Ed Grysiewicz, Managing Director of Delta Ventures and head of TreeSafe sales, says, "The focus of the initiative is to raise public awareness about Christmas tree fire prevention and the need for emergency preparedness. The United States Junior Chamber of Commerce (Jaycees) and Kiwanis International have already joined us and we hope that fire departments across this great land will also join us in embracing the spirit of this initiative in the hope of making our nation safer during the holidays." Fire Departments are being encouraged to visit the TreeSafe website at http://treesafe.com/firedept.
About American Fire Retardant Corp.
American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB:AFRR - News; www.americanfireretardant.com) is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant products. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations.
Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this news release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the Company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results.
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uncle milty
Common Stock Additional
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Shares Amount Capital (Deficit)
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Balance, December 31, 2002 438,158 $ 438 $ 8,254,437 $(12,609,317)
Common stock issued for services
(unaudited) 1,196,713,133 1,196,714 6,408,950 -
Cancelled shares (unaudited) (5) - (5,000) -
Options exercised (unaudited) 455,750,000 455,750 865,817 -
Net loss for the nine months
ended September 30, 2003 (unaudited) - - - (9,753,116)
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Balance, September 30, 2003 (unaudited) 1,652,901,286 $1,652,902 $15,524,204 $(22,362,433)
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493,621 hits as of 11:43 this AM.
Greg.
TreeSafe Testimonials
Here are but a few of the stories we have heard from people across the United States. The names have been change to protect their identity.
"It seems every year we hear about homes going up in flames because dried-out Christmas trees catch fire. Now there's a product that claims it will protect your tree and your home from fire, with just a few squirts out of a bottle. Recently, News 12 puts that product to the test to see if it truly can help keep your family Safe - see what they had to say
[ CLICK HERE ]..."
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"Last Christmas, my daughter had a slumber party. One of the girls knocked over a candle and within minutes the Christmas tree was ablaze. Fortunately we put out the fire, but not before the fire burnt the carpet and the couch. This year I bought two bottles of TreeSafe to guarantee I was going to have a safe Holiday Season." - Maria, Roanoke VA
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"My sister told me she saw this fire-retardant TreeSafe advertised on TV. She said she bought two bottles one to spray-on the Church’s Christmas Tree and the other one to safe guard the Christmas tree in her home. The reason why she was so interested, is because three years ago she had a fire which ruined her family’s Christmas. I couldn't find TreeSafe in a store near me, so I went online, found the site, bought two bottles." - Mary, Birmingham, AL
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"A local charity is using TreeSafe as a fundraiser. I bought a bottle and gave it to my son-in-law, who smokes in bed and everywhere else. He was so upset that I would give him a fire retardant; he went outside to prove it wouldn’t work. He sprayed a brush with TreeSafe and kept trying to light it on fire, but to no avail. TreeSafe works, but he is still smoking." - Mark Riverside, CA
NO ONE PAID ANY ATTENTION TO MY PREVIOUS POSTS SAYING THE SAME THING. CYTP WAS THE SAME WAY FOR AWHILE BUT IT HAS SEEMED TO SETTLE AS OF LATE...
THESE ARE THE SAME FOLKS WHO WILL BE THE FIRST TO COMPLAIN ABOUT A PUMPER....
-moose- I'm a quitter!
NOW MOOSE... PLEASE TELL ME ANYWHERE (EMPHASIS ADDED TO ANYWHERE) IN YOUR LAST POST ABOUT THROWING YOUR MONEY AWAY WHERE I REFERENCED DOING THAT? YOU CAN PICK ANY OF MY POSTS IN ANY AREA. I WILL ABSOLUTELY TELL YOU THAT YOU WILL FIND THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR AFRR TO GO UP BECAUSE OF THE TREE JUICE. IT IS IMPOSSIBLE, CAN NOT HAPPEN, NEVER WILL HAPPEN, NO OPTIONS, NO NOTHING. AGAIN, IT IS ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY IMPOSSIBLE FOR AFRR TO GO UP BASED ON THE TREE JUICE THIS HOLIDAY SEASON.
NOW IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO RESEARCH MY PREVIOUS POSTS YOU WILL SEE THAT I RECOMMEND AFRR AS A PICK BUT NOT BASED UPON THE TREE JUICE. BUT ALL YOU KEEP CHARTING TREE JUICE, TREE JUICE THIS TREE JUICE THAT AND IT CAN'T HAPPEN. PERIOD. IT CAN'T AND AGAIN, IMPOSSIBLE.
DOUBLE L, YOUR ON TARGET BUT AGAIN, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR THE TREE JUICE TO MAKE ANYTHING HAPPEN TO A STOCK PRICE AT THIS STAGE OF THE GAME. RIGHT NOW IT'S NOV. 30 AND AFRR HAS MADE NO SUCH MOVE AND BY SENDING OUT THAT KIND OF "SAMPLES" WILL COST BIG BUCKS AND GUESS WHAT, IF ANYTHING, SPENDING THAT MONEY WILL D
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THE STOCK PRICE MISERABLY.
NOW RESEARCH 100 TREE PRODUCERS; LET ALONE 1000 AND DO YOU HAVE ANY CLUE AS TO HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE? DEFINITELY NOT IN TIME FOR THIS CHRISTMAS. I WOULD THINK THAT THE MARKETERS WORKING FOR AFRR WHICH PRODUCED THAT COMMERCIAL ARE A BIT AHEAD OF YOU REGARDING SAMPLES. UH, REMEMBER, THEY ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF MARKETING, WORKING RIGHT HERE AND NOW FOR AFRR AND NOT ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD TRYING TO CONVEY WHAT A "GOOD IDEA" IS WITH YOUR "BACKGROUND".
OH BLACK, THE RETAIL MARKETING GENIUS.... WELL BLACK, GO BACK IN THIS AFRR POST AND TELL ME I'M WRONG AGAIN. SORRY, I'M NOT AND BECAUSE YOUR EGO IS BRUISED, WELL NO APOLOGIES COMING FROM ME. BUT HEY, AS YOU PUT IT AND DIRECTLY QUOTED:
posted November 18, 2003 21:42
Remember my man
"It's not what you know, its what you can prove"
BOY, AND NEWSTOCKPICKER, YOUR RIGHT IN THE BOAT WITH BLACK THERE. WHEN YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG THEN DO SO.
WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, OH BLACK AND NEWS, YOUR AFRR CAN NOT, WILL NOT, CAN'T, WONT, IMPOSSIBLE, NEVER-CAN-HAPPEN, GO UP THIS HOLIDAY SEASON BASED ON YOUR TREE JUICE.
WHEN YOU CAN PROVE ME WRONG, THEN DO IT. I WILL ADMIT IT IS MUCH EASIER TO JUST TELL ME HOW FULL OF CRAP I AM INSTEAD OF USING COMMON SENSE. READ MY PREVIOUS POSTS HERE IN AFRR. TRUTH HURTS SO SUCK IT UP. I'M RIGHT WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
Now, why are we talking about TreeSafe?...well, I for one am talking about it because I believe that is what the company is curently focusing on. If treesafe does well, it will bring in some income so they will have money to spend on getting Hero3-1 in a wal-mart, ace, etc... Also revenues made from treesafe over the holiday will give this company a boost (not in pps) but in moral, and maybe they'll get off their buts and start putting their ideas into action and their products into chain stores
This is why, I myself, have been focusing on treesafe for the past month, because treesafe could be the future of this company(revenue wise, they can't live off this product though).
-moose-
FOX6
Fox6 is now doing a demo also!
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COMING UP NEXT ON FOX6 ON YOUR SIDE
Monday, December 1, 2003
At 6:00p TreeSafe
A spray product claims to make real Christmas trees flame-retardant, as well as keep the needles from falling off its branches, but does it work? Fox6 On Your Side enlisted the help of Pine Hill Farms and the Tarrant Fire Department to see if TreeSafe really works.
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First CBS...now Fox, if Fox6 sents it too all of its affiliates, that would mean Nationwide coverage! I hope they put in an order for 120000 more bottles...
[This message has been edited by Moose (edited November 30, 2003).]
U4
I dont know was more intriguing about your ignorance
1.Obedience
2.Criticism
Obedience
Although my major is Business Administration, I feel I may have some knowledge of psychological disorders. I think you may be suffering from one,and I would suggest you keep that attitude all the way to a psychologist so that he may fix you up. I thought we told you stop with the CAPS but unfortunately it seems you have a lack of comprehension or thats the only way you feel you can get immediate attention. Maybe you've had a damaged childhood, IDK.
Criticism
I dont have time to read other boards you posted and barely have time to entertain your ignorance. It seems your more about critizing something than critiquing. Im open for information on the cons of the stock but wont take someones word, and def. wouldnt when they dont have any DD to back it up.
I think I shall also began to ignore you and allow you to talk to yourself.
SEE YOU GUYS ON THE GREEN BEAN TOMORROW
AFRR!!!
NOW LET'S GOTO BLACKICE AND TRY TO FIND SOME INDECISIVE POSTS. THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HUM....
FACTS ARE FACTS AND I'M RIGHT. RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT. PERIOD PERIOD PERIOD.
blackice318
Member posted November 12, 2003 12:12
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Everyone get out of AFRR on time? Im out searching for something new. Stay posted.
GOSH, YOU EVEN TRIED TO CALL THE COMPANY TO ORDER TREE JUICE AND NO ONE ANSWERED....
blackice318
Member posted November 18, 2003 07:07
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Unpredictable day for AFRR. No telling what this suckers going to do. Im getting out at market open.
blackice318
Member posted November 18, 2003 10:28
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THIS IS PISSIN ME OFF NOW.
WHO WOULD SELL SO LOW?
PANIC SELLERS, STOP YOUR SELLING AND STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER!
blackice318
Member posted November 18, 2003 11:41
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I shall hold this stock, but I plan to get out w/ a minimum profit.
blackice318
Member posted November 18, 2003 12:21
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Come on .0038 come on.
blackice318
Member posted November 18, 2003 14:14
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A Fast RolleRocoaster
Im still trying to get out today @ .0038.
blackice318 Member posted November 23, 2003 22:14
Isnt the news excellent timing, so i think this week will be a slight increase followed by a pop. Based on charting exit point would be .01. My instinct is saying .004-.005
blackice318
Member posted November 18, 2003 14:21
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If i cant get out today, Im expecting a strong open. Reason being is the MMM BAMMM is pretty much running this stock and his ask is at .004,so Im expecting it to hit that by tomorrow. So im not to worried as I was around 10:30 A.M.
blackice318 Member posted November 24, 2003 22:58
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My Opinion. I personally think that tomorrow some sort of reversal shall occur in this stock. Low volume was traded today and according to Technical Analysis it can be related as "abnormal volume". I think the majority of sellers have left which shall create support at higher buyers levels.
blackice318 Member posted November 26, 2003 16:55
Im was almost about to give up on this sucker.
SO ARE WE SUPPOSED TO TAKE ALL YOUR CONFUSING AND INDECISIVE ADVICE REGARDING AFRR???
OR IS IT JUST EASIER TO TELL U4TSAF2 THAT HE DOES'NT HAVE A CLUE AS TO WHAT'S HE'S TALKIN ABOUT????
[This message has been edited by U4TSAF2 (edited November 30, 2003).]
The behavior of a daytrader.
Im sorry but i dont trade for the long term!
i have plenty of room to get out of afrr with a profit because i have averaged in and out of afrr in about 60 trades, and feel i will probably make many more before christmas. right or wrong, it won't make much difference in my bottom line. i never invest enough in ANYTHING financial so it will make me react to a stock's movement like some of the people posting in this micro penny catagory. this is just one hand in a 35 year poker game. and in micro pennies i spend far more time reading the players than i do reading the hand.
while it is very nice to recieve positive feedback on my posts, i am not here to impress anyone or shoot any one down. time and time alone will test us as investors. i grew up in detroit where the movie 8 mile was filmed. i learned early that noise has little to do with power. i also found that the people that who made the most noise had the least to offer, as they seldom paid attention to what was really happening.
we have a dicho here in mexico. "en boca cerrada no entran moscas". translated it is flies can't enter a closed mouth. i take it a little further and say if you are going to talk sh*t you'll wind up with a mouthfull of flies if you don't keep your mouth closed.
trade hard, be gentlemen,
uncle milty
Well said OLD M. If someone thinks a stock isn't or is going to do something let them say it nicely and move on. Come on traders lets have a great week this week. There is plenty of good trades to go around. No lets get trading and SHOW ME THE MONEY 
babybloo2004@yahoo.ca
?????
i have been commenting on my stocks, good and bad, since i joined this board. what i am holding isn't nearly as important as why i am holding them, and what i expect from them. i hesitate to just put a list of stocks here, or e mail you them. i host a small beginners investment group and am a member of a very successfull group of investors i've known for years. i've learned not to ever tell the first what i am investing in and openly discuss every move with the second.
i told a friend in the first group to look at fnix and study it when it was at .25. i went on a series of business trips while fnix had a major run up to 1.20 and back down again while i was gone. waiting till funds he transfered to his account to clear, he bought in high, panic set in while it dropped and he sold at a big loss. i was surprised as i never told him to buy it, just to study it and learned never to give something that is incomplete information.
read my past posts, check my track record, and if there is anything i am currently following i will be happy to comment on it in the appropriate thread. this is a dangerous game if you don't play it with patience and diversity.. even when you have done this for a long time all you can hope for is to win more than you lose.
uncle milty
SAN DIEGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 1, 2003--American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB:AFRR - News) announced today that the results created by the national television advertising campaign for its TreeSafe product were better than expected. Because of this early success, the media campaign will be increased in size and scope to include many large national cable networks such as Lifetime TV, USA Network, SciFi Network, CNN, The Soap Opera Network, Oxygen, Hallmark, Headline News, and several more.
Stephen F. Owens, president of AFRC, said, "Early indications are that the revised TV offer of two bottles of TreeSafe for $19.95 has been received as a tremendous value by the consumer public and has thus driven early sales higher than expected. As the holiday buying season approaches, the Company expects sales of its TreeSafe product line to increase substantially."
Mr. Owens concluded by saying, "The campaign will also now include a global Internet marketing initiative, handled by Chief Media of New York, starting the week of 12/1/03. The online campaign will include search engine key word optimization, email marketing, banner advertising and a pop-under campaign to assure full saturation of the category for online shoppers."
About American Fire Retardant Corp.
American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB: AFRR - www.americanfireretardant.com), is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant products. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations.
Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this news release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the Company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results.
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Contact:
American Fire Retardant Corp.
Randy Betts, 619-258-3640
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Source: American Fire Retardant Corp.
Business Editors
SAN DIEGO--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Dec. 1, 2003--American Fire Retardant
Corp. (OTCBB:AFRR) announced today that the results created by the
national television advertising campaign for its TreeSafe product were
better than expected. Because of this early success, the media
campaign will be increased in size and scope to include many large
national cable networks such as Lifetime TV, USA Network, SciFi
Network, CNN, The Soap Opera Network, Oxygen, Hallmark, Headline News,
and several more.
Stephen F. Owens, president of AFRC, said, "Early indications are
that the revised TV offer of two bottles of TreeSafe for $19.95 has
been received as a tremendous value by the consumer public and has
thus driven early sales higher than expected. As the holiday buying
season approaches, the Company expects sales of its TreeSafe product
line to increase substantially."
Mr. Owens concluded by saying, "The campaign will also now include
a global Internet marketing initiative, handled by Chief Media of New
York, starting the week of 12/1/03. The online campaign will include
search engine key word optimization, email marketing, banner
advertising and a pop-under campaign to assure full saturation of the
category for online shoppers."
About American Fire Retardant Corp.
American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB: AFRR - www.americanfireretardant.com), is in the business of developing,
manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire
retardant products. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new
technology for future fire resistive applications that are being
mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the
company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for
fire stop and fire film installations.
Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical
information contained herein, the statements in this news release are
forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and
are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private
Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve
known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the
Company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially
from forecasted results.
--30--EM/sf*
CONTACT: American Fire Retardant Corp.
Randy Betts, 619-258-3640
KEYWORD: CALIFORNIA
INDUSTRY KEYWORD: BUILDING/CONSTRUCTION REAL ESTATE RETAIL
CONSUMER/HOUSEHOLD FOREST PRODUCTS PRODUCT
SOURCE: American Fire Retardant Corp.
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AFRC Announces Better Than Expected Results From TV Advertising Campaign
Business Wire - December 01, 2003 09:18
SAN DIEGO, Dec 1, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB:AFRR) announced today that the results created by the national television advertising campaign for its TreeSafe product were better than expected. Because of this early success, the media campaign will be increased in size and scope to include many large national cable networks such as Lifetime TV, USA Network, SciFi Network, CNN, The Soap Opera Network, Oxygen, Hallmark, Headline News, and several more.
Stephen F. Owens, president of AFRC, said, "Early indications are that the revised TV offer of two bottles of TreeSafe for $19.95 has been received as a tremendous value by the consumer public and has thus driven early sales higher than expected. As the holiday buying season approaches, the Company expects sales of its TreeSafe product line to increase substantially."
Mr. Owens concluded by saying, "The campaign will also now include a global Internet marketing initiative, handled by Chief Media of New York, starting the week of 12/1/03. The online campaign will include search engine key word optimization, email marketing, banner advertising and a pop-under campaign to assure full saturation of the category for online shoppers."
About American Fire Retardant Corp.
American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB: AFRR - www.americanfireretardant.com), is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant products. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations.
Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this news release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the Company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results.
SOURCE: American Fire Retardant Corp.
American Fire Retardant Corp.
Randy Betts, 619-258-3640
uncle milty
uncle milty
Either that or were all a little excited about the news...
Tony
uncle milty
did i buy all of the way to the bottom? NO just to .0029. i didn't fill my buy at .0028.
do i think this news made afrr worth the 33% pop? NO
will i buy back at a lower price what i sold this morning into irrational exhuberance? YES
will this happen again? YES
am i approaching my goal of 6-8 million free shares. YES one more morning like this will do that and more.
i hope that the this thread can continue for awhile longer to illustrate why and how penny stocks move, and that contributing solid dd and calm rational opinion can keep us on track to make money doing this. it can be fun and friendly.
uncle milty
-moose-
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
the chart is indicating sideways movement around the .0035-.0037 range.
allot has to do with what the news flow is during the next few days. if there is nothing for a few days there will be some low .003's opportunities imho.
has anyone called them to find out if they will do a pr on the tests being done on tv? spoken with investor relations? they should use these test results as filler between their own pr's to keep a little momentum going, but from my perspective and plan like the feast famine scenario for building up free shares on the beta.
if no one has spoken with investors relations by the end of today's trading, i will probably call them myself. i would really be happy to send a phone card to someone to do some research calling, as long distance rates are really high from mexico. a sam's calling card would get 20 times more calling for the same "dime".
uncle milty
I did not call but I sent an email. here it is. I wonder just how many stations are testing?
Subj: RE: AFRC Feedback Form
Date: 11/26/2003 5:35:14 PM Eastern Standard Time
From: "Ed Grysiewicz" <egrys@treesafe.com>
To: <gggrace@aol.com>
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Mr. Gagner:
One station is not news --- but many stations are... Stay
Tuned....
The link to the story is now up on
http:treesafe.com/testimonial.php
Ed Grysiewicz
-----Original Message-----
From: nobody@host.globalsecureserver.com
[mailto:nobody@host.globalsecureserver.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2003 11:16 AM
To: feedback@americanfireretardant.com
Subject: AFRC Feedback Form
Below is the result of your feedback form. It was submitted
by
() on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 at 14:15:52
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Customer_name:: Gregory G. Gagner
Email:: gggrace@aol.com
Feedback_content:: I was wondering why there was no press
release referencing the test of Treesafe that was done on
Nov 24th 2003 by News 12 in Wichita Kansas? One would think
that with such excellent results you would want to put it
out where all can see.
Thanks,
Greg.
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uncle milty
PTS Products International Inc. Announces Exclusive Licensing Agreement with Glove Box Inc.
12/1/2003 9:01:00 AM
LAS VEGAS, Dec 1, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- PTS Products International Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of PTS Inc. ( PTSO ), today announced that the company has successfully negotiated a definitive agreement with Glove Box Inc. for the exclusive marketing, manufacturing and distribution of the Glove Box(TM) in China for worldwide use. The agreement is effective immediately.
The patented, revolutionary Glove Box(TM) is the only product that offers contamination reduction through automated glove dispensing. The prototype Glove Box(TM) system, a free-standing dispenser of disposable latex gloves, is under development now. The Glove Box(TM) is designed for targeting sterile, protective and clean room environments, and the applications are numerous, including the healthcare industry, dental industry, laboratories, health and beauty applications, manufacturing, food service and others. In 2002 the worldwide market for this single-use product was 38 billion glove sets.
China's recent accession into the World Trade Organization has greatly liberalized the rules relating to U.S. ownership interests in Chinese companies and technologies. PTS Inc. intends to continue using its contacts and experience in this major market to identify leading Chinese companies that either have a product or technology that PTS Inc. could assist in its marketing and distribution, or that desires a U.S. presence in which PTS Inc. could use its publicly traded status as it relates to possible acquisition/spin-outs in ways that significantly benefit both these companies and PTS shareholders.
For more information about PTS Inc., please visit the company's Web site: .
Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this news release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results.
SOURCE: PTS Inc.
American Fire Retardant Announces License Agreement for the GloveBox With PTS Products International, Inc.
11/14/2003 9:15:00 AM
SAN DIEGO, Nov 14, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- American Fire Retardant Corp. ( AFRR ) announced today that PTS Products International, Inc. (PTSPI, a wholly-owned corporation of PTS, Inc.) has signed a licensing agreement to manufacture the GloveBox(TM) in China for worldwide use. PTSPI is currently in negotiations with manufacturing firms in China to join with the GloveBox(TM) design team in bringing the product from alpha and beta designs into full-scale production within 3-6 months.
The GloveBox(TM) is a revolutionary, patented, automated latex glove dispenser targeting sterile (medical, laboratory), protective (dental, health, beauty, janitorial) and clean room (manufacturing) environments that solves a long-standing contamination problem caused by the normal retrieval and donning of gloves from a standard glove box. With its patented, free-standing dispenser (looking much like a small filing cabinet), users select from two glove sizes, slip their hands through sealed openings into air-filled gloves, then hit a foot switch to release the gloves onto their hands. A significant benefit of the GloveBox(TM) is its unique design feature that permits the dispensing of un-powdered gloves that are increasingly the cause of both contamination and communicable health problems.
Stephen F. Owens, President of American Fire Retardant Corp, said, "We are extremely pleased to have PTS Products International, Inc. representing us in producing and distributing the GloveBox(TM) in China and the Far East. As announced in our October 1st press release, we are preparing four redesigned units to be ready within the next several weeks. These units will now be going to China when they are ready. Through its strong, established relations, PTSPI seeks to quickly penetrate China's rapidly expanding medical and dental markets. Other key relationships will permit rapid deployment into other industries."
The market for sterile, protective and clean room gloves is growing at over 10% annually with 38.6 billion sets of gloves sold worldwide in 2002. Malaysia supplies 60% of the world's glove demand. U.S. sales in 2002 were 62% of the world glove market (24.1 billion pairs) totaling $1.4 billion. (2002, Cahners)
The GloveBox(TM) is the only product that currently offers contamination reduction through automated glove dispensing. With recent viral and medical scares (SARS, Anthrax, Ebola), the worldwide need for protective and sterile gloves is rising dramatically, fueled by third-world nations with an urgent requirement for improved sterile and protective measures.
The President and CEO of PTSPI, Peter S. Chin, is a Chinese-born U.S. citizen with over thirty years of extensive business experience in both U.S. and Asian markets. With successful business ventures in bio-engineering, highway transportation, restaurants, gaming, sports promotion, Internet and public company ownership, Mr. Chin's vast network of business contacts in the Far East favorably positions PTSPI to quickly launch its manufacturing and distribution in China. PTSPI will market the GloveBox(TM) through Chinese distribution companies with strong networks throughout China and active agents in the following major application markets: Medical, Dental, Laboratory and Manufacturing.
PTSPI projects that sustainable product profit margins of over 30% following the initial start-up year highlight the profitability potential of their business model. Two primary products comprise the PTSPI product family and both products carry margins necessary to absorb two distributor levels, a common occurrence in international markets.
Stephen F. Owens concluded by saying, "We feel this product is a revolutionary idea that can help in preventing contamination and communicable health problems, especially in the medical and dental fields, and that PTS Products International, Inc. is the right company to help make the GloveBox(TM) a huge success."
About American Fire Retardant Corporation
American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB:AFRR - ), is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant products. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations.
Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this news release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe-harbor provisions of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the Company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results.
SOURCE: American Fire Retardant Corp.
uncle milty
[This message has been edited by BetNitAll (edited December 01, 2003).]
it was less than three weeks since it's last pop to .0047 on news, with a holiday and short trading day in the middle. really not that long to wait unless you you are type a. watch this one continue this pattern until just before santa starts loading the sleigh.
it seems to be in the sideways movement i mentioned earlier today and vol has dropped to almost nothing. the chart looks like lack luster till the bell and maybe into the next news we will see some more opportunities to load up again.
i'm off to band practice.
uncle milty
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
Thanks,
Greg.
i think that with so much uncertainty in global politics, and the usa working to drive the dollar lower, what will happen next WEEK depends allot on what happens this week. it is a very hard call, but i am not an options guy. times are too uncertain. i always go to land when i am in doubt. i am starting to invest in land again with this years profits on wall street, and will save about 20-25% as seed money for next summer left in my most conservative and most promising long term plays. soon i will be so involved in the music scene that i will vastly simplify what i am doing now. i usually do my intensive trading from may to november, but am having such a good year so far i am hanging in till the end of dec to set a personal record hopefully.
uncle milty
uncle milty
come on baby light my fire, or, er,...should that be put out my fire.
if this hits .01 i will have made 100k. if it were to get out of the copper range i think i'll book a suite on the "queen" for ms mullet and i.
uncle milty
uncle milty
SAMS CLUB COMBINED ADVERTISING RIGHTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL TAGS. WHAT THIS MEANS IS THAT SAMS CLUB GETS TO POST THEIR LOGO ON THE BOTTOM OF COMMERCIALS AND THE COMMERICAL TELLS YOU SPECIFICALLY WHERE THE PRODUCT IS LOCATED AND WALMART FORKED OVER CASH FOR ADVERTISING BUT HOW MUCH I DO NOT KNOW. RECALL THOSE CHIA-PETS? ACE HARDWARE WAS AN EXCLUSIVE DISTRIBUTION RETAILER AND FOR SUCH EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS, THEY PAID FOR 30% OF THE ADVERTISING COSTS AS A JOINT VENTURE. NOT EXACTLY SURE IF THE 30% IS CORRECT SINCE IT WAS SOME TIME AGO FOR ME TO RECALL.... I THINK IT WAS A BIT MORE.
i actually brought up my apps average with yesterday's buys at .0031. before the buys i was holding 12.8m shares @ .0019 apps. i will treat yesterdays buys as a separate deal and work the pops to bring down the apps. really the same thing in a way, since i no longer have any buys higher to knock off to avoid st capital gain tax.
uncle milty
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*Elite Black Minds*
"It's not what you know its what you can Prove"
out of 35 stocks in my portfolio there isn't one news item today. very rare. monday should be an explosive day for a few of these.
my sweetheart, trph is up over .50 again today. this was a .24 stock in may and i have made out really holding this long. type into a quote and look at a 1 year chart.
uncle milty
quote:
Originally posted by old mullet:
you can almost bet the stock will move on news. i am in for another m at .0028.out of 35 stocks in my portfolio there isn't one news item today. very rare. monday should be an explosive day for a few of these.
my sweetheart, trph is up over .50 again today. this was a .24 stock in may and i have made out really holding this long. type into a quote and look at a 1 year chart.
uncle milty
Wow! $5.87 as I write...no wonder you call it your sweetheart! Excellent choice, congradulations.
Esteban
quote:
Originally posted by old mullet:
you can almost bet the stock will move on news. i am in for another m at .0028.out of 35 stocks in my portfolio there isn't one news item today. very rare. monday should be an explosive day for a few of these.
my sweetheart, trph is up over .50 again today. this was a .24 stock in may and i have made out really holding this long. type into a quote and look at a 1 year chart.
uncle milty
So I'm holding till then, I dont think I'll be in this next year. Might pick it up again if there is news of getting 3-1Hero in a chain like walmart
quote:
Originally posted by Moose:
Once we get some sales figures on treesafe, this will move. Hopefully they'll get a PR before x-mas (since most people get a tree 3 weeks before x-mas, they won't have many sales the week of the 25th)So I'm holding till then, I dont think I'll be in this next year. Might pick it up again if there is news of getting 3-1Hero in a chain like walmart
quote:
Originally posted by trader01:
true it could be a winner in the long term, yet i dont see why we cant play it short, buy at sub .003 levels and sell at mid .003s seeming thats how it has been playing lately
!!!! I looked up fire retardarts on google and found many other companies that make such a compound, and have for several years. I dont think there PR's are false, but after me getting out of this and sitting back and analysising it.
Do you think they are holding off to actually give the results from there sales after Christmas is officially over?
Could these results be better than expected?
Is this stocks sales going to improve the companys outlook for 2004?
Yes I do agree this stock is a POS, but thats only because so many people lost money and this stock has been on a continous decline since the levels of .006.
DZ
uncle milty
CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!TROUT
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American Fire Retardant Announces Successful Re-Test of TreeSafe in Alabama
via COMTEX
December 10, 2003
SAN DIEGO, Dec 10, 2003 (BUSINESS WIRE) --
American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB:AFRR) announced today that a new burn test on a real Christmas tree was successful in Alabama after one failed there last week due to the participants not following the instructions and allowing the product to dry before trying to burn the tree. Stephen F. Owens, President of AFRC, said 'We requested that a new test be done to show that when TreeSafe is allowed to dry, it works properly. We were surprised with last week's results but were not surprised to learn that the instructions for proper drying were not followed. We are very pleased that today's test proved beyond any doubt that TreeSafe prevents Christmas trees from burning, just as all other tests of TreeSafe that have been made around the country have shown.'
In other news, as announced by American Fire Retardant Corp. on November 14, 2003 and by PTS Products International, Inc. (OTCBB:PTSO) on December 1, 2003, an agreement was signed for PTSPI to have exclusive rights for marketing, manufacturing and distribution of the GloveBox(TM) in China for worldwide use. The GloveBox(TM) is a product of American Safety Products, a division of American Fire Retardant Corp.
Good luck.
DZ
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quote:
Originally posted by old mullet:
me and my 14,000,000 shares hope you're right denzen. i still have .0005 to go to my apps so i am still comfortable, but i am surprised that there is such a long spell since the last news. they were supposed to be starting a national ad campaign. they have to have something to report. one more beta pop and i'm going to free shares, and forget i own them.uncle milty
uncle milty
dz
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Originally posted by old mullet:
i hadn't even heard the first test in alabama had failed. you would think that they would have had press regarding the tests that worked before but not issued as a pr from afrr. what a poorly run press program.uncle milty
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"... For the things which are seen are temporary, but the things which are
not seen are eternal." 2 Cor. 4:18
anyone have a working office number other than the order number?
uncle milty
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Spend word for word with me and your wit shall be made bankrupt
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Originally posted by FiftyCent:
does anyone else feel that good news is coming, after being masked by that weird piece of news today? You have to wonder why someone would release some bad news like that, especially bad news that no one even heard about.
still smiling in red zone
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Originally posted by FiftyCent:
does anyone else feel that good news is coming, after being masked by that weird piece of news today? You have to wonder why someone would release some bad news like that, especially bad news that no one even heard about.
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Spend word for word with me and your wit shall be made bankrupt
I have 1-619-258-3640 with a POC of Randy Betts.I believe Randy is the CEO.
Greg.
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Originally posted by Wall Streets DT:
Seems to be in good standing from here :/
http://quotes.barchart.com/texpert.asp?sym=AFRR
i just got off of the phone with randy betts at afrr.
he is in charge of their physical operations where in addition to what we know affr for, which is tree safe and the yet to be produced in china glove box, they are treating fabrics and other materials as in their job at the miami international airport.
he stated that the tree safe product was an attempt to break into retailing and that it has been a big learning curve for them. the negative test was done by a fire marshall in alabama in a town where live christmas trees are banned. he felt that the fire marshall was trying to prove live trees were unsafe in the test rather than tree safe being an effective fire proofing method. he stated though he expected they would issue more press releases before christmas he didn't expect to have anything specific to report at this time re tree safe. when i asked about chains carrying them, he mentioned that he understood a couple of ace hardware stores were carrying the product but could not be specific.
he said that the core business of afrr will continue despite the tree safe product, and that the glove box machines that he was not in charge of, were sopposed to be in the works to be sent to china. he felt afrr was here to stay and would be around for years to come based on the regular fire proofing work that they do. he personally does not follow the daily stock price moves, and based on that i will continue to try to call the other contact ed g---? (i have his name written down but cant put my hands on it right now).
my own take on this is that there could be some more downside to this and that unless the next press release has some exciting results, this will remain a beta only play until glove box happens or some other large commercial contract is awarded. i will post as soon as i have any further info.
as always make your own decisions on this. it represents a very small position for me so i can be less in a hurry for results. i will likely take the loss this year if it continues to drop and re evaluate my interest in afrr when the wash sale period passes. i am on hold with this until the next press or until the end of the year.
uncle milty
once again, i am stealing computer time, so please be patient if i don't reply quickly.
it turns out the motherboard on my toshiba is defective from the last conversation with toshiba tech support. i will send it back to the states with a friend.
i am trying to buy a hp wireless laptop with the wide screen from sams to be brought to me in two weeks.
uncle milty
That name is Ed Grysiewicz with email egrys@treesafe.com and phone of 949-679-7849
His name was give to me when I called AFRR and asked about shareholder information. I sent him an email and left a message on his voice mail last week (asking about the dropping share price and future plans) and have not had a reply from either.
chill
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Originally posted by old mullet:
dz, i think we could see levels like where i first started buying in the .0012 range. i hope it doesn't drop below .0015, but am watching this for a possible additional buy point, if i get a call back from ed growitz (sp?) as i still think there is upside from current levels on news. i am trying to pick up several stocks that are close to the bottom of their beta cycle from my point of view.once again, i am stealing computer time, so please be patient if i don't reply quickly.
it turns out the motherboard on my toshiba is defective from the last conversation with toshiba tech support. i will send it back to the states with a friend.
i am trying to buy a hp wireless laptop with the wide screen from sams to be brought to me in two weeks.
uncle milty
i just had a lengthy conversation with ed, and he seemed to feel that considering their late start into the christmas retail market that they were doing well. he felt this was establishing both credibility and product recognition for the coming (2004) season. he explained that they were currently working toward getting the product into orderbooks for next season. he could not be specific because of insider implications. in his hypothetical discussion he did refer to very well known chains.
he said the response to the advertising and the tests was encouraging and while we were talking he said 9 people were currently visiting the web site. he expected that there would be further press releases between now and christmas, but was not in charge of that. his main concern was to make the current and future marketing of tree safe and 3 in one move forward. we spoke of future products and he thought it would be a good idea and a possibility but with the small staff the focus had to stay on tree safe for now.
he also had no information on glove box as that was being handled by "steve" (?). by the time we got to that question i felt that he was making it clear his job was marketing of tree safe and 3 in 1 hero. he had returned my call at international long distance rates and we spoke for about 20 min about the difficulty of breaking into a new retail market when they first started with tree safe in july. they are a small team and have recently been overwhelmed with e mails and phone calls regarding their stock and their product. he mentioned that the tv stations that had tested the product also had many calls after the product was tested. he mentioned in particular a test in albany new york that the reporter claimed recieved a large resonse.
anyway, my take on all of this, is that he seemed sincere, is also a shareholder, but has no time to follow the stock as we do here. he felt that there was a future for the product based upon this year's response.
i asked if he felt there would be a need to issue additional shares to finance the coming year's efforts and he said no. for the tree safe product they would seek financing based upon the orders they would receive. many orders for christmas shipments to big chains for the coming season would be at the end of the 2nd quarter according to ed.
i am on hold with my position and will be watching it closely between now and christmas. i will likely go to a free share position if we see pop and wait to see what happens into the new year.
this is to add to the dd you should be doing to make your own decision.
uncle milty
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Originally posted by old mullet:
chill and other afrr investors,i just had a lengthy conversation with ed, and he seemed to feel that considering their late start into the christmas retail market that they were doing well. he felt this was establishing both credibility and product recognition for the coming (2004) season. he explained that they were currently working toward getting the product into orderbooks for next season. he could not be specific because of insider implications. in his hypothetical discussion he did refer to very well known chains.
he said the response to the advertising and the tests was encouraging and while we were talking he said 9 people were currently visiting the web site. he expected that there would be further press releases between now and christmas, but was not in charge of that. his main concern was to make the current and future marketing of tree safe and 3 in one move forward. we spoke of future products and he thought it would be a good idea and a possibility but with the small staff the focus had to stay on tree safe for now.
he also had no information on glove box as that was being handled by "steve" (?). by the time we got to that question i felt that he was making it clear his job was marketing of tree safe and 3 in 1 hero. he had returned my call at international long distance rates and we spoke for about 20 min about the difficulty of breaking into a new retail market when they first started with tree safe in july. they are a small team and have recently been overwhelmed with e mails and phone calls regarding their stock and their product. he mentioned that the tv stations that had tested the product also had many calls after the product was tested. he mentioned in particular a test in albany new york that the reporter claimed recieved a large resonse.
anyway, my take on all of this, is that he seemed sincere, is also a shareholder, but has no time to follow the stock as we do here. he felt that there was a future for the product based upon this year's response.
i asked if he felt there would be a need to issue additional shares to finance the coming year's efforts and he said no. for the tree safe product they would seek financing based upon the orders they would receive. many orders for christmas shipments to big chains for the coming season would be at the end of the 2nd quarter according to ed.
i am on hold with my position and will be watching it closely between now and christmas. i will likely go to a free share position if we see pop and wait to see what happens into the new year.
this is to add to the dd you should be doing to make your own decision.
uncle milty
this could be a real bargain from a long perspective, and tree safe is really only one part of the picture. it seems we have been concentrating our perspective on the christmas play for this year, and for the investors that can wait this might be something that will move well on news of their ongoing 16 year operation and the glovebox during the coming year. i can afford to watch almost indefinatly, as i am still in a gain position, and this isn't really a big $ position for me.
yes i am a fisherman, big time. ms. mullet says my f350 4x4 with a utility bed is the worlds only diesel powered tackle box. normally being out on my oat is what i would be doing right now instead of trading stocks into december. nov through april or may are my "play months" but i am going for a personal record this year with my stock portfolio. kind of like fishing in a way, except if you are successful the catch included dom perignon to wash down the dinner with.
uncle milty
uncle milty
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American Fire Retardant Corp Announces Letter of Intent to Acquire Assets of National Certified Fire Retardant, Inc.
via CDS
December 15, 2003
American Fire Retardant Corp (OTCBB:AFRR) announced today that they have received a Letter of Intent to purchase National Certified Fire Retardant, Inc., a fire retardant paint and varnish manufacturer. NCFR is located in Huntington Beach, California. The first payment is to be made on or about December 17, 2003 and the assets of NCFR will become another asset in AFRC's fire retardant inventory upon the final payment on or about February 17, 2004. Stephen F. Owens, President of American Fire Retardant Corp, said, 'We have been negotiating for some time to acquire this company and add their patented fire-retardant paints and varnishes to our expanding inventory of fire retardant products. We are well aware of the quality of their products as we have used and sold them for many years.'Mr. Owens concluded by saying, 'We are extremely pleased to be able to come to an agreement with NCFR and feel the acquisition of these paints and varnishes will greatly enhance our position in the fire retardant business.'About American Fire Retardant Corporation American Fire Retardant Corp. (OTCBB: AFRR - www.americanfireretardant.com), is in the business of developing, manufacturing and marketing a line of interior and exterior fire retardant products. American Fire Retardant Corp. also designs new technology for future fire resistive applications that are being mandated by local, state and governmental agencies. Additionally, the company is active in the construction industry as sub-contractors for fire stop and fire film installations. Safe Harbor for Forward-Looking Statements: Except for historical information contained herein, the statements in this news release are forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties and are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the Private Securities Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, which may cause the Company's actual results in the future periods to differ materially from forecasted results.
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a new SEC filling must out in 5 bussiness day
I will try to find it
AFRR more obviously.
uncle milty
TRAC 650K is an obviously account to manipulate short sell order.
Any cheaper stock than AFRR? anyone can recommend it?
the stock market is marvellous.
Today is Dec 31 2003
:-)