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At this point, I don't want to deal in any of the past BS. I don't care if the default can be reopened. What I want to know is: If the bonds were real and the JV's? Are they still owned by CSHD or since no payments have been made on either has CSHD defaulted on them? (keep in mind this is assuming that everything is/was on the up and up.)
According to my reading of the filings certain payments were due on the bonds. I have seen no evidence that those payments were made and therefore CSHD would be in default on those agreements just as they would be in default on the JV's since no payments were made on those either.
So, what assets would CSHD have? Legally, by the SEC, SOS of Delaware or any entity who is the CEO of CSHD? Does CSHD have any current bank accounts and if so is there any money and who controls it?
Since the court ruled that CSHD needed an attorney to file and defend on it's behalf and never obtained one, CSHD never answered the SEC complaint and therefore is in default and a default judgment could be entered against the company. No matter what Rufus, personally, filed it had no bearing on the case against CSHD since he had no standing.
I'm not an attorney so I am asking for answers here which should be public knowledge since CSHD is a public company. Until Rufus answers these questions with something other than emoticons everything he posts is BS.
This is about what we as shareholders can expect and should know. Until a company spokesperson steps up to plate and answers on the record with some proof to back up their assertions, it's all BS.
No softball questions here and I doubt these questions will get any answer other than me being a basher, short, part of a conspiracy etc etc.
LT, since you have become Rufus's spokesperson here on Allstocks, I ask you to pass this along. Since I was banned for asking the hard questions.
Until Rufus answers these questions, I will go back into hibernation on this thread because it's an exercise in futility.
I still own the shares that were posted on the NOBO list and have family members that own many more shares than I do since they didn't heed my advice and take money off the table prior to the SEC action. I consider my money lost and could give a hoot about it but deeply care about my family members who at this point have lost thousands upon thousands of dollars because they ordered certs, as per Rufus's request.
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Man they are airing out the dirty laundry over on HSM pretty good . Too bad it took a year to do so ....
"They"?
If you are referring to Dogmando you do know thats James Gee correct? The guy that was buddies with Mike Alexander and recently threw him under the bus while "airing out the dirty laundry"....that guy? Theres nothing but finger pointing going on there....and hes digging himself a hole since he is blabbing on a Public Forum about an open case....one of which he gave a deposition for.
And its Sabra Dabbs for future reference. I have a feeling you will be hearing more of her soon.
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Ahhh sweet....I see Gee answered some of your questions over at H S M Wally. This one I find interesting......
"The bonds at one point were assigned to CSHD at one point up until approximately early November. The only JV's that ever received any money were Rufus's Equine Solutions and Ben's friends The Brittenum Bros "Twins". The others have had to seek funds from other places. I have had numerous conversations with Point Click and Dream, which IMO was the best of the JV's. They had only a initial investment of 1 million to get started and that would last for 6 months."
Sooooooo, hes saying the bonds were real...and they were assigned to CSHD. Hmmm
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, "bonds were assigned"...
Try to spend less time analyzing the actual word he used and absorb the meaning of it. He is posting that AT LEAST one of the bonds were legit as far as he knows. I wonder how he "knows" that.......
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: lol, "bonds were assigned"...
Try to spend less time analyzing the actual word he used and absorb the meaning of it. He is posting that AT LEAST one of the bonds were legit as far as he knows. I wonder how he "knows" that.......
Try to spend more time analyzing specific nuances rather than reading "meaning" into something. Sometimes, what's *not said* is as important or even more important than what is said.
Indeed, *how* would he know? Do we know his background? Does he have any expertise with bonds?
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: Man they are airing out the dirty laundry over on HSM pretty good . Too bad it took a year to do so ....
"They"?
If you are referring to Dogmando you do know thats James Gee correct? The guy that was buddies with Mike Alexander and recently threw him under the bus while "airing out the dirty laundry"....that guy? Theres nothing but finger pointing going on there....and hes digging himself a hole since he is blabbing on a Public Forum about an open case....one of which he gave a deposition for.
And its Sabra Dabbs for future reference. I have a feeling you will be hearing more of her soon.
Maybe so but atleast he's answering questions and giving details . Thats a huge step in front of Dufus who answers a question with a question and straight up lies about lying , makes promises he has no intentions on keeping and keeps stringing this ignorant cult members along in hopes that enough people will complain to the SEC and they will allow this to all go away or make a special exception for the company to not have legal counsel .
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: ya, ya, ya...so what about these "contracts" ?
he cant answer that because he doesnt know..its just his Opinion....
I haven't answered because I was out enjoying my weekend . As for contracts , I was referring to the filings posted in the Georgia county court that Dufus filed for the Ven. bonds . Maybe you wouldn't consider them contracts but I would since they involve more than one party that making an legal agreement to provide services for payment .
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: ya, ya, ya...so what about these "contracts" ?
he cant answer that because he doesnt know..its just his Opinion....
I haven't answered because I was out enjoying my weekend . As for contracts , I was referring to the filings posted in the Georgia county court that Dufus filed for the Ven. bonds . Maybe you wouldn't consider them contracts but I would since they involve more than one party that making an legal agreement to provide services for payment .
lol..your are something i'll tell ya.....1st you say its cut and paste job , now you say they are contracts loaded onto a GOV. site... which is correct .... and yes they are REAL...like all the assets cshd has....
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Just because they were filed with the Georgia court doesn't make them real . I never said that . As for the assets being real , I never said they weren't real either , I just said CSHD and Dufus never owned them . If it does come out that they did infact own them but never did anything with them , then Dufus is even a bigger fool than I thought he was .
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GAO says SEC not using all its arsenal: report
Sun Dec 16, 1:04 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is not using all of its available tools to police Wall Street, according to a U.S. government study.
The New York Times reported on Sunday that a study by the U.S. Government Accountability Office indicates that the SEC declines to use internal audits conducted by U.S. stock and options exchanges.
Also, the SEC's efforts to track questionable trading are hampered by a computer system that does not allow it to easily search investigative referrals from the exchanges, the paper says citing the GAO report, which is to be released on Monday.
The study was requested by Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, the paper says.
"They've got a computer system that can't search for the data the securities industry is reporting -- that's like working with one hand tied behind your back," Grassley is quoted as saying.
"And it was kind of shocking to know that the SEC doesn't review the exchanges' internal audits. That's inefficiency and there is no excuse for it," the senator added.
(Reporting by Chris Reiter, editing by Phil Berlowitz)
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: GAO says SEC not using all its arsenal: report
Sun Dec 16, 1:04 PM ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is not using all of its available tools to police Wall Street, according to a U.S. government study.
The New York Times reported on Sunday that a study by the U.S. Government Accountability Office indicates that the SEC declines to use internal audits conducted by U.S. stock and options exchanges.
Also, the SEC's efforts to track questionable trading are hampered by a computer system that does not allow it to easily search investigative referrals from the exchanges, the paper says citing the GAO report, which is to be released on Monday.
The study was requested by Senator Charles E. Grassley of Iowa, the ranking Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, the paper says.
"They've got a computer system that can't search for the data the securities industry is reporting -- that's like working with one hand tied behind your back," Grassley is quoted as saying.
"And it was kind of shocking to know that the SEC doesn't review the exchanges' internal audits. That's inefficiency and there is no excuse for it," the senator added.
(Reporting by Chris Reiter, editing by Phil Berlowitz)
nice find, good post...
btw--too funny--your "basic questions" made it from here to "there" then back to getting imported on da hub's CSHD thread. good stuff
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Well, I had to go over to the Hub to see what the answer was. Isn't it funny that Rufus decided to answer Gee Baby(James Gee)'s answers to the questions instead of answering the questions themselves. He seems more interested in playing childish games on public boards than providing anything of substance.
I really didn't expect an answer to begin with because answering would have ended the fun he is having. Wouldn't he lose a majority of foolowers if he admitted there is no money, assets or JV's left?
It's winter bears hibernate so will I.
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Posted by: aimgator In reply to: None Date:12/16/2007 12:30:19 PM Post #of 155265
just got this Imed to me....(from Rufus board)
Originally Posted by wallymac Wallumac: At this point, I don't want to deal in any of the past BS. I don't care if the default can be reopened. What I want to know is: If the bonds were real and the JV's? Are they still owned by CSHD or since no payments have been made on either has CSHD defaulted on them? (keep in mind this is assuming that everything is/was on the up and up.)
Gee Baby: The bonds at one point were assigned to CSHD at one point up until approximately early November. The only JV's that ever received any money were Rufus's Equine Solutions and Ben's friends The Brittenum Bros "Twins". The others have had to seek funds from other places. I have had numerous conversations with Point Click and Dream, which IMO was the best of the JV's. They had only a initial investment of 1 million to get started and that would last for 6 months.
Rufus: Sabra you will say anything!!!
Wallymac: According to my reading of the filings certain payments were due on the bonds. I have seen no evidence that those payments were made and therefore CSHD would be in default on those agreements just as they would be in default on the JV's since no payments were made on those either.
Gee Baby: The debt service of the bonds was never paid by CSHD so they were in default and hence allowed the bonds to be retracted.
Rufus: Such a stupid statement this is, He He He
Wallumac: So, what assets would CSHD have? Legally, by the SEC, SOS of Delaware or any entity who is the CEO of CSHD? Does CSHD have any current bank accounts and if so is there any money and who controls it?
Gee Baby: The SEC told me that Judge Cooper asked them why the company was not being placed in receivership back in June and the SEC said that receivers cost money and CSHD is broke. The 2 bank accounts have 3 signatures Rufus, Ben and Darrell Horton (Bens Cousin). At last check in January one was empty and the other had 12,000 in it.
Rufus: You are such a liar, the answer that I gave to the Judge on the first day of court and the exhibits is the reason the SEC was not granted receivership by the Judge, the SEC asked for such but was denied!!!! He He He any legal person with tell you this!!!
Also receivership is a federal cost and has nothing to do with the bank accounts available!!! He He He you are only showing how ignorant you are about the truth!!
Wallymac: Since the court ruled that CSHD needed an attorney to file and defend on it's behalf and never obtained one, CSHD never answered the SEC complaint and therefore is in default and a default judgment could be entered against the company. No matter what Rufus, personally, filed it had no bearing on the case against CSHD since he had no standing.
I'm not an attorney so I am asking for answers here which should be public knowledge since CSHD is a public company. Until Rufus answers these questions with something other than emoticons everything he posts is BS.
This is about what we as shareholders can expect and should know. Until a company spokesperson steps up to plate and answers on the record with some proof to back up their assertions, it's all BS.
No softball questions here and I doubt these questions will get any answer other than me being a basher, short, part of a conspiracy etc etc.
Until Rufus answers these questions, I will go back into hibernation on this thread because it's an exercise in futility.
I still own the shares that were posted on the NOBO list and have family members that own many more shares than I do since they didn't heed my advice and take money off the table prior to the SEC action. I consider my money lost and could give a hoot about it but deeply care about my family members who at this point have lost thousands upon thousands of dollars because they ordered certs, as per Rufus's request.
Gee baby: Rufus not obtaining an attorney has been my biggest concern since the suit began. We had a SHC conference call with Rufus, Ben and Dewayne Woods where Mr Woods asked us to raise 200K to retain an attorney.
My family and friends still own every share they bought so I sympathize with your position as I am in the same boat. That is one of the major reasons I did what I did with the SHC. I was trying to protect and salvage our investment. I believe the only hope for the company is to have the SEC take care of Rufus and clean the company up and someone to pick it up as a shell.
Rufus: Good Play, Gee Baby All you and Artlitt via the SHC committee tried to do is to get me to sign off on a new MM so you could dump more shares!!! Just ask some of the SHC not everyone is liars!!!
Originally Posted by Mike_Honcho Where we have people coming back together on the same page is not that possibly Rufus and Bonds etc.. have been legit this entire time- instead people are actually digging and looking to expose the other large # of dirtbags involved in this entire thing.
If in the end CSHD was real thats golden...if not then its ok...if during this witch hunt we expose and find the other 10-20 dirtbags involved in this entire charade then at least I will be satisfied with the price of admission
Time to zonk out- RW proceed to talk to yourself for the evening
Gee Baby: CSHD was real at one point with a great business plan but that plan was never realized. It is illegal to take in assets to increase your stock price. Rufus never did anything with the asset but artifically blow up the stock price and allow his friends and family to sell. What was Rufus's plan to collect asset upon asset and never use them. WHY???
Rufus: Stupid is as Stupid types
Originally Posted by phil So what am I missing here? The bond was legit, the bond agreement was legit, there was even a c&d validating it's legitimacy.
And the sec still claims the bond was never cshd's in the first place? How can that be?
Gee Baby: Alana Black said that if the bonds were to be acted upon it would have proved ownership. The Ven Bond appeared to be legit but never drawn on. That in their opinion was the pump and plan phase. The dump happened when his relatives sold. The reason they are getting him for the plan was that they are having trouble tracking if he received any money from it.
Rufus: Will you ever stop with the lies, Newly filed court documents will prove your are such a liar, Oh well I have had enough fun for the day!!!
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quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Well, I had to go over to the Hub to see what the answer was. Isn't it funny that Rufus decided to answer Gee Baby(James Gee)'s answers to the questions instead of answering the questions themselves. He seems more interested in playing childish games on public boards than providing anything of substance.
I really didn't expect an answer to begin with because answering would have ended the fun he is having. Wouldn't he lose a majority of foolowers if he admitted there is no money, assets or JV's left?
It's winter bears hibernate so will I.
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Posted by: aimgator In reply to: None Date:12/16/2007 12:30:19 PM Post #of 155265
just got this Imed to me....(from Rufus board)
Originally Posted by wallymac Wallumac: At this point, I don't want to deal in any of the past BS. I don't care if the default can be reopened. What I want to know is: If the bonds were real and the JV's? Are they still owned by CSHD or since no payments have been made on either has CSHD defaulted on them? (keep in mind this is assuming that everything is/was on the up and up.)
Gee Baby: The bonds at one point were assigned to CSHD at one point up until approximately early November. The only JV's that ever received any money were Rufus's Equine Solutions and Ben's friends The Brittenum Bros "Twins". The others have had to seek funds from other places. I have had numerous conversations with Point Click and Dream, which IMO was the best of the JV's. They had only a initial investment of 1 million to get started and that would last for 6 months.
Rufus: Sabra you will say anything!!!
Wallymac: According to my reading of the filings certain payments were due on the bonds. I have seen no evidence that those payments were made and therefore CSHD would be in default on those agreements just as they would be in default on the JV's since no payments were made on those either.
Gee Baby: The debt service of the bonds was never paid by CSHD so they were in default and hence allowed the bonds to be retracted.
Rufus: Such a stupid statement this is, He He He
Wallumac: So, what assets would CSHD have? Legally, by the SEC, SOS of Delaware or any entity who is the CEO of CSHD? Does CSHD have any current bank accounts and if so is there any money and who controls it?
Gee Baby: The SEC told me that Judge Cooper asked them why the company was not being placed in receivership back in June and the SEC said that receivers cost money and CSHD is broke. The 2 bank accounts have 3 signatures Rufus, Ben and Darrell Horton (Bens Cousin). At last check in January one was empty and the other had 12,000 in it.
Rufus: You are such a liar, the answer that I gave to the Judge on the first day of court and the exhibits is the reason the SEC was not granted receivership by the Judge, the SEC asked for such but was denied!!!! He He He any legal person with tell you this!!!
Also receivership is a federal cost and has nothing to do with the bank accounts available!!! He He He you are only showing how ignorant you are about the truth!!
Wallymac: Since the court ruled that CSHD needed an attorney to file and defend on it's behalf and never obtained one, CSHD never answered the SEC complaint and therefore is in default and a default judgment could be entered against the company. No matter what Rufus, personally, filed it had no bearing on the case against CSHD since he had no standing.
I'm not an attorney so I am asking for answers here which should be public knowledge since CSHD is a public company. Until Rufus answers these questions with something other than emoticons everything he posts is BS.
This is about what we as shareholders can expect and should know. Until a company spokesperson steps up to plate and answers on the record with some proof to back up their assertions, it's all BS.
No softball questions here and I doubt these questions will get any answer other than me being a basher, short, part of a conspiracy etc etc.
Until Rufus answers these questions, I will go back into hibernation on this thread because it's an exercise in futility.
I still own the shares that were posted on the NOBO list and have family members that own many more shares than I do since they didn't heed my advice and take money off the table prior to the SEC action. I consider my money lost and could give a hoot about it but deeply care about my family members who at this point have lost thousands upon thousands of dollars because they ordered certs, as per Rufus's request.
Gee baby: Rufus not obtaining an attorney has been my biggest concern since the suit began. We had a SHC conference call with Rufus, Ben and Dewayne Woods where Mr Woods asked us to raise 200K to retain an attorney.
My family and friends still own every share they bought so I sympathize with your position as I am in the same boat. That is one of the major reasons I did what I did with the SHC. I was trying to protect and salvage our investment. I believe the only hope for the company is to have the SEC take care of Rufus and clean the company up and someone to pick it up as a shell.
Rufus: Good Play, Gee Baby All you and Artlitt via the SHC committee tried to do is to get me to sign off on a new MM so you could dump more shares!!! Just ask some of the SHC not everyone is liars!!!
Originally Posted by Mike_Honcho Where we have people coming back together on the same page is not that possibly Rufus and Bonds etc.. have been legit this entire time- instead people are actually digging and looking to expose the other large # of dirtbags involved in this entire thing.
If in the end CSHD was real thats golden...if not then its ok...if during this witch hunt we expose and find the other 10-20 dirtbags involved in this entire charade then at least I will be satisfied with the price of admission
Time to zonk out- RW proceed to talk to yourself for the evening
Gee Baby: CSHD was real at one point with a great business plan but that plan was never realized. It is illegal to take in assets to increase your stock price. Rufus never did anything with the asset but artifically blow up the stock price and allow his friends and family to sell. What was Rufus's plan to collect asset upon asset and never use them. WHY???
Rufus: Stupid is as Stupid types
Originally Posted by phil So what am I missing here? The bond was legit, the bond agreement was legit, there was even a c&d validating it's legitimacy.
And the sec still claims the bond was never cshd's in the first place? How can that be?
Gee Baby: Alana Black said that if the bonds were to be acted upon it would have proved ownership. The Ven Bond appeared to be legit but never drawn on. That in their opinion was the pump and plan phase. The dump happened when his relatives sold. The reason they are getting him for the plan was that they are having trouble tracking if he received any money from it.
Rufus: Will you ever stop with the lies, Newly filed court documents will prove your are such a liar, Oh well I have had enough fun for the day!!!
implosion, man...
the more confusion, the better...and the less likely there's a shareholder lawsuit. There's a time limit for such actions, you do know that, right?
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2) Select the "Name" , then pick "Starts with" from the drop down menu. Then type in "conversion solutions" and search.
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CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDI - ORD SHS US21254V1008 026510031
USD 01 May 2006
D STOCK 09 Oct 2006
Big freaking deal , it says nothing about any bonds . It states the market type as stocks . If I remember correctly , the SEC determined that these were stocks of CSHD owned by another person in Europe .
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You know source, for someone who sold out a long time ago, thinks this has no prospects, definitely hates rufus & co, and said you were going to stay out of this thread, you definitely have been a bit contradictory yourself.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Source....if you are still so interested in CSHD even after selling you can find some interesting reading here......
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: You know source, for someone who sold out a long time ago, thinks this has no prospects, definitely hates rufus & co, and said you were going to stay out of this thread, you definitely have been a bit contradictory yourself.
i agree igor... he would be better off just stayin out of here ....my question is why stay if you have no intrest ( shares ) in a company anyways ?...lol...what does he stand to gain ?..hes already lost by selling...( bad move )...
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So whats your take LT on the info I posted ???? You didn't seem to have anything to say about it . As for staying off the thread , that was the other thread not this one . Infact I was the one who brought it back from the dead so people can continue to read the crap posted and maybe learn a valuable lesson from reading the 1231234124351235412 pages of BS on CSHD .
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The lesson learned would be to take profits off the top, to diversify, never use money you cant afford to lose, and never trust a pink/otcbb stock. Theres no need for pages upon pages of you constantly bashing the stock. You just keep saying the same thing over and over, if you had some new and constructive that would be one thing; however, thats not the case.
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But does anyone have anything new or constructive ? All I see are repost of info from Dufus or James G. in which one side is calling the other side a liar and a scammer yet people cannot get enough of it . None of it really matters as I've said before , the company has a default judgement against it and thats that . Rufus should have ante'd up and got a lawyer this time last year or honestly should have had one on retainer since day 1 .
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