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Remember this !!!...we are awaiting a EXIT..it has NOTHING to do with the fed. court case... however the EXIT will provide Evidence for the court case...
"It will be the collection and exchange that exposes the fraud "
i hope by now everyone has their hard Copy Certificates.
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LT its really a shame that you along with a lot of others continue to dwell on the words of a complete idiot . Just think of all the money you could have made if you'd direct that time towards something else . Hell I made back all my losses and then some on a single stock called ECFL which is now MNTY . I turned $200.00 into $12,000 in 5 weeks .
As I said before , you loonies can laugh all you want at me when you are all filthy rich but I'd bet you just remain filthy for a very , very long time .
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: LT its really a shame that you along with a lot of others continue to dwell on the words of a complete idiot . Just think of all the money you could have made if you'd direct that time towards something else . Hell I made back all my losses and then some on a single stock called ECFL which is now MNTY . I turned $200.00 into $12,000 in 5 weeks .
As I said before , you loonies can laugh all you want at me when you are all filthy rich but I'd bet you just remain filthy for a very , very long time .
ECFL? Looks a lot like a "Pump and Dump"...based on the post below it almost looks like you agree. Were you informed of the pump or did you just get lucky?
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Member Rated: posted March 12, 2007 20:30 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'll be buying some discounted shares this week just incase there is another BS merger around the corner . Those die hard ECFL fans can't get enough of them .
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yeah, source, I usually agree with you, but that seems like just a bit of a stretch to say you made a 60bagger without ever taking any profits on a company that you knew was a scam. Especially given how much people here preach "I learned form CSHD to take profits, no matter how sure a thing it looks".
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Not even slightly.
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Can you explain why you think this? I mean, this is like if the Steelers didn't show up to play the Patriots today, and then for 2 years kept claiming that the Patriots never beat tham and they still have to play the game. No they don't. If you forfeit, you LOSE, end of story. There is no more to the story.
quote:Originally posted by LT: the SEC hasnt won anything ..lol.. there will be a hearing some time in the near future.
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: yeah, source, I usually agree with you, but that seems like just a bit of a stretch to say you made a 60bagger without ever taking any profits on a company that you knew was a scam. Especially given how much people here preach "I learned form CSHD to take profits, no matter how sure a thing it looks".
Sorry, but I don't buy it. Not even slightly.
I personally do not care what you believe . Infact the 60 bagger was on the last good runs only . I actually made more than that earlier this year on the first couple of runs . Here's my history from the last few months .......
11/02/07 Sold 2,000,000 of ECFL * $0.00 (Order #99) 6,986.90 11/01/07 Bought 2,000,000 of ECFL * $0.00 (Order #95) -3,612.99 10/30/07 Sold 1,555,428 of ECFL * $0.01 (Order #90) 8,541.72 10/19/07 Bought 1,555,428 of ECFL * $0.00 (Order #85) -1,101.79 10/15/07 Sold 714,285 of ECFL * $0.00 (Order #77) 986.99 10/05/07 Bought 714,285 of ECFL * $0.00 (Order #66) -512.99 10/01/07 Sold 412,500 of ECFL * $0.00 (Order #55) 440.75
This is from the last 90 days . I couldn't go back any further on my E trade account .
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: LT its really a shame that you along with a lot of others continue to dwell on the words of a complete idiot . Just think of all the money you could have made if you'd direct that time towards something else . Hell I made back all my losses and then some on a single stock called ECFL which is now MNTY . I turned $200.00 into $12,000 in 5 weeks .
As I said before , you loonies can laugh all you want at me when you are all filthy rich but I'd bet you just remain filthy for a very , very long time .
ECFL? Looks a lot like a "Pump and Dump"...based on the post below it almost looks like you agree. Were you informed of the pump or did you just get lucky?
I got very lucky plus I've learned not to fall in love with this crappy azz penny stocks . Its hard sometimes to take a profit and watch it continue to run up and its equally hard to hold it when you watch it start to turn and run the other way . With ECFL , I've played it long enough to get a decent feel for the stock . I knew that it was just a matter of time before another merger would come down the pipe line and when it did , the sucker fish would hit on it like it were a piece of cake . Now that the merger deal has finally went through (or so they claim) , the stock will probably just fizzle out and most will forget about it again for a while . I am probably done with it myself and looking for something else . I have a lot of shares in CBAY , GMSC , PDVP & EFGO . All are POS's and I will probably get burned on a R/S on atleast one if not all of them but thats the way it goes . I also picked up some ETIM the other day and some WLM along with FDO and CHCG (which I sold off for $700.00 profit a few days later).
Sometimes its better to be lucky than good .....
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Milliam......
In the depo from James Gee he claims that Rufus copied the files from his computer and gave the drive to Michael Alexander. Does that seem slightly different from the original story?
I'm still reading the depo, but from what I remember, MA was up there pulling data off the computer. When I was up there, RPH was not nore was James Gee. MA borrowed another drive from one of the shareholders (that he knew well), but I'm not sure if he had to use that or not.
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quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Milliam......
In the depo from James Gee he claims that Rufus copied the files from his computer and gave the drive to Michael Alexander. Does that seem slightly different from the original story?
I'm still reading the depo, but from what I remember, MA was up there pulling data off the computer. When I was up there, RPH was not nore was James Gee. MA borrowed another drive from one of the shareholders (that he knew well), but I'm not sure if he had to use that or not.
Thats how I thought the story went. The depo appears to bend that story a bit IMO.
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From Rufus Paul Harris to ALL Shareholders...
"Things that will be needed from shareholders shortly!!!
1.) Statements or Affidavits about conversations with broker dealers about a bid or ask when buying shares on the Grey's 2.) Statement or Affidavits and support about anyone who has posted shares for sale on the Grey's at high prices and the market has traded around your sale price 3.) Any records (emails, PM or post) with MA, JA, DP and JG and Sabra Dabbs 4.) Statements or Affidavits about conversations with the Shareholder committee 5.) Any records (emails, PM or post) with JG or anyone on the Shareholder committee 6.) Statements or Affidavits about any conversations with the Transfer Agent 7.) Any records (emails, PM or Post) with the Transfer Agent 8.) Statements or Affidavits about any conversation with Alana Black or an attorney for the SEC 9.) Any records (emails, PM or electronic Com) with Alana Black or an attorney with the SEC
Any shareholder that has some of the above documentation or that is willing to give a statement or affidavit about an item please send your name and Item to me with the #1-9 in the subject line via pm and Email to Harris*gabreeders.com
More things are to follow such as Any watch and document documentation!!! Like Market activity and anything that you may have saved from HSM, IHUB or PM’s with anyone who is now a know basher
This is the time to dig up those old files DDers
Our time of reconciliation has finally come!!!
GODSPEED and GODBLESS shareholders
I will return in a few to start the compiling process, but I want to also place everything on this board for all to see
Will a MOD start a PR thread and post all PRs that they can find in order (Please keep the thread locked from posting, a view only)
Will a MOD also start a SEC filing thread and post all SEC filings in order (Please keep the thread locked from posting, a view only)
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Its hard sometimes to take a profit and watch it continue to run up and its equally hard to hold it when you watch it start to turn and run the other way
stone cold discipline wins every time.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: Its hard sometimes to take a profit and watch it continue to run up and its equally hard to hold it when you watch it start to turn and run the other way
stone cold discipline wins every time.
These are things you learn in time as you get burned in the market . Most noobies and even seasoned traders have a hard time not buying into the hype .
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I hate to say it but if this was a scam shouldnt Rufus be in jail by now?
If this was an open and shut case I dont see why this stock is still trading and Rufus still is running free.
As much as it hurts to say it, I think theres a chance for CSHD to do *something* the longer this goes on... Its been over a year already.
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That's been the mantra over some people for like a year now "If he really did somethign wrong he'd be in jail by now and the company would be shut down! We're golden!"
And wasn't it trading at over $1 still when it began on the greys? Wonder if any of those people ever thought it would be .0001 this soon.
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Nothing to do with trading, exactly, but I've noticed that a human tendency is to "hang on." that is, it's very hard to "let go."
Like the monkey who gets trapped grasping for the goodies...
To wax philosophic, I suspect it's inherent, given the development of the opposable thumb...a genetic survival mechanism if you're swinging through trees and hating the idea of feeding crocs, lurking below...
The adaptable, however, figure out that trading is different from swinging from branch to vine.
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how about tracking down that heard of reindeer that's always just out of reach?
if people would actually stick to some of these scams instead of disappearing into the wood work out of shame or exhaustion or whatever? the scammers would begin to realise that we will eventually catch up with them and make a meal...
IMO? the people that attempt to shame others into shutting up are just facilitating the crooks.
keeping this alive and front and center is a very unsubtle warning to all newbies who show up... they can hardly miss it.
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I've read alot on previous stock scams and there has been awhole lot more legal action than whats going on here.
Theres actually prosecution that occurs in the other cases.. Here they just write cute little love letters back and fourth.. what gives?
I know the process can take awhile but as mentioned, you dont show the case is usually closed. This is still open after apparently several no shows on rufus's part.
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Rufus is not in jail because he has not been directly linked to any ill gotten gains yet and he might not ever be . Maybe he's truely that stupid to put his neck on the line and not benefit from it . Maybe he was played all along but if thats the case , he should have not run his mouth like he did and make promises he could not keep .
All of the bogus mergers and toxic financing doesn't mean a damn thing to me . Its not what lured me into the stock . The talk of multi billion dollar bonds and huge contracts are what lured me in and was also the drving force behind the huge increase in the price of shares . Rufus is responsible for that because he was in charge of the company at that time .
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quote:Originally posted by TimW: I've read alot on previous stock scams and there has been awhole lot more legal action than whats going on here.
Theres actually prosecution that occurs in the other cases.. Here they just write cute little love letters back and fourth.. what gives?
I know the process can take awhile but as mentioned, you dont show the case is usually closed. This is still open after apparently several no shows on rufus's part.
I dont get it.
Actually, this is fairly typical. To get the kind of "instant karma" that some clamor for would require poking Congress with a sharp stick...can you whittle?
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: Rufus is not in jail because he has not been directly linked to any ill gotten gains yet and he might not ever be . Maybe he's truely that stupid to put his neck on the line and not benefit from it . Maybe he was played all along but if thats the case , he should have not run his mouth like he did and make promises he could not keep .
All of the bogus mergers and toxic financing doesn't mean a damn thing to me . Its not what lured me into the stock . The talk of multi billion dollar bonds and huge contracts are what lured me in and was also the drving force behind the huge increase in the price of shares . Rufus is responsible for that because he was in charge of the company at that time .
On at least one interview Rufus said this was going to be a rough ride and wanted people who were aware of that to remain shareholders through it all. He admitted there were crooks "involved" in some way but that they (he and Ben) would stick around to see it through.
IMO you likely didnt listen to the interviews and now feel like you took some sort of bait and was "lured" into the stock. The warnings were there...some chose to bail, some didnt. Its unfortunate that some took a big loss instead of just sitting on the shares....IMO the more shares on hard certs the better. Im pretty confident that there are MILLIONS more CSHD shares in the market than were authorized by the company...tens of millions, maybe more. Now that you have sold...those shares will probably be swept under the rug.
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: why do medical billing co's keep sending out bills that you don't even owe three and four and five times? cuz nobody follows up.
those bills cost at least a couple bucks to generate and mail.. must profit in it somewhere....
why do insurance companies routinely deny first billings? If the medical office manager doesn't resubmit with certain "code words" on the resubmittal, the insurance company never pays...
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: Rufus is not in jail because he has not been directly linked to any ill gotten gains yet and he might not ever be . Maybe he's truely that stupid to put his neck on the line and not benefit from it . Maybe he was played all along but if thats the case , he should have not run his mouth like he did and make promises he could not keep .
All of the bogus mergers and toxic financing doesn't mean a damn thing to me . Its not what lured me into the stock . The talk of multi billion dollar bonds and huge contracts are what lured me in and was also the drving force behind the huge increase in the price of shares . Rufus is responsible for that because he was in charge of the company at that time .
On at least one interview Rufus said this was going to be a rough ride and wanted people who were aware of that to remain shareholders through it all. He admitted there were crooks "involved" in some way but that they (he and Ben) would stick around to see it through.
IMO you likely didnt listen to the interviews and now feel like you took some sort of bait and was "lured" into the stock. The warnings were there...some chose to bail, some didnt. Its unfortunate that some took a big loss instead of just sitting on the shares....IMO the more shares on hard certs the better. Im pretty confident that there are MILLIONS more CSHD shares in the market than were authorized by the company...tens of millions, maybe more. Now that you have sold...those shares will probably be swept under the rug.
ya, the "bait" was the $15 "reset" based on "bonds"
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quote:Originally posted by thesource: Rufus is not in jail because he has not been directly linked to any ill gotten gains yet and he might not ever be . Maybe he's truely that stupid to put his neck on the line and not benefit from it . Maybe he was played all along but if thats the case , he should have not run his mouth like he did and make promises he could not keep .
All of the bogus mergers and toxic financing doesn't mean a damn thing to me . Its not what lured me into the stock . The talk of multi billion dollar bonds and huge contracts are what lured me in and was also the drving force behind the huge increase in the price of shares . Rufus is responsible for that because he was in charge of the company at that time .
On at least one interview Rufus said this was going to be a rough ride and wanted people who were aware of that to remain shareholders through it all. He admitted there were crooks "involved" in some way but that they (he and Ben) would stick around to see it through.
IMO you likely didnt listen to the interviews and now feel like you took some sort of bait and was "lured" into the stock. The warnings were there...some chose to bail, some didnt. Its unfortunate that some took a big loss instead of just sitting on the shares....IMO the more shares on hard certs the better. Im pretty confident that there are MILLIONS more CSHD shares in the market than were authorized by the company...tens of millions, maybe more. Now that you have sold...those shares will probably be swept under the rug.
You know what , I hope you are right for the sake of all the loyal people that continue to linger on every word that moron says .
For me the decision was made to sell and I stand by it 100% . In my opinion , there is nothing to be had . No bonds , no assets , no single person to go after to recoup the losses , hell not even a CEO any more since the SEC requested the Dufus be permantely suspended from ever being a board memeber on a publically traded company .
You have to ask yourself , has a single thing come to light that Dufus promised ? Other than it would go to court and all the info would be on record (or lack of in this case) . They were bluffing all along and got caught . I can only hope that atleast a few of them go to jail or at the very least are banned from being associated with publically traded companies for the good of future investors .
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They could certainly get some dough from Alexander...
Glassy-eyed, there *is* a reset provision, but it doesn't apply here...as I recall, there used to be three types, A, B, and C...but they got expanded, through even a "G"-type. Even then, I couldn't make a case for it.
Now, I don't even remember where I posted that stuff...may be on the ref thread.
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They might be able to recover some money from Alexander but did he directly profit from the pump and dump or from the bogus filings that Rufus filed with the SEC ? I am sure he profitted from the rise in the PPS but can it be proven that he did so in a manner that makes its a criminal offense ?
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