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Surfer -- do you have your shares in cert form? If not, do so, then sock them away for a while. Although I am 100% confident in what I say, I am not asking you to buy into it all....just don't do anything, such as selling, etc...which will make it impossible to realize a substantial profit when the "unthinkable" happens in the future.
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quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
I don't even want to waste money on the commission to even try to sell the shares lol. Going to wait until the next E-Trade commission free day to hopefully get rid of that crap from my account.

Hey Igor-commission is deductable on your taxes [Smile] . OT: Free*Trade day was awesome. I rid my account of a lot of past transgressions from when I was a newb. (PYCT, etc.). Thankfully, I am past those days.
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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
Surfer -- do you have your shares in cert form? If not, do so, then sock them away for a while. Although I am 100% confident in what I say, I am not asking you to buy into it all....just don't do anything, such as selling, etc...which will make it impossible to realize a substantial profit when the "unthinkable" happens in the future.

Tut used to say the exact same thing, and what happened? $3.85/share turned into .002. No sign from Rufus or the company, stock delisted, people's lives ruined, pending SEC case, no $15/share, no reset, no 6:1, no proxy. Nothing, but crap.

So, what makes anything you say different than the rest?

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Wow, looks like I missed some fun...

Ironman, apparently you have no concept of how the SEC works. Some day, when you have some free time, just poke around on the internet and see how many times you find thing like:

"Jan 2008 - Charges were filed today against 2 stock promotors who made $10million in a pump and dump scheme in 2003.", etc.

There's no reason to search for some secret reason why this is "still" in process after what, 18 months, when SEC halts from yeas prior have not yet been resolved.

As for people not believing how well it worked out in the end when it finally does end, in the infinitecimally small chance that this does "work out" as you said, the cryptic ramblings of Rufus have cost people here and elsewhere HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. Spin it any way that you want, and say it's their own fault for not holding long enough, but there were lives who have been unfathomably altered by this situation in a terribly negative way. People whose lives have been shattered by the little games that he likes to play. Think about the people who bought into his mumbo jumbo 2 years ago with more than they could afford to lose. The cries of $15 resets, 6:1 dividends, etc., never mentioned a 2+ year holding period, and so understandably, some people HAD NO CHOICE but to sell for a substantial loss just to recoup some small piece of their initial investment. Maybe there was someone who bought in, even that intended to stay for the long haul, and lost his job (not unlikely in the current economy), had to liquidate his/her account to help care for a loved one (not uncommon at all), or any other one of thousands of legitimate reasons. Rufus F*CKED those people, and F*CKED them hard. Maybe this will work out for a few lucky ones in the end, but it will never erase the disdain that I and others feel towards him for unneccesarily screwing hundreds of people out of thousands and thousands of dollars, and without exaggerating, costing some their families, friends, and who knows, it wouldn't surprise me at all if we learn someday that one or more people lost so much money that they decided to end their own life.

So yeah, laugh it up, enjoy your wealth if this does happen as you expect, but don't forget the countless people whose lives were ruined by some hack who got his jollies by speaking in riddle.

I bought a bunch of shares for under a penny, and if I do get rich off of it, the first thing I'll do is try to help out those friends I've made here who's lives were severely affected by this ridiculous stock. I'd ask the same of you, but even the most destitute probably wouldn't take a penny from someone who is as obviously sick and twisted as you.

In closing, I feel the need to give you a hearty *BLEEP*, and please pass that along to "Rufus" as well.

[ May 26, 2008, 20:51: Message edited by: T e x ]

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PCola77 -- since you feel the need to give me a "hearty *BLEEP*, name the place and time. I'll be there...

But be forewarned, *BLEEP, BLEEP, BLEEP*

As for the rest of you, why don't you just let this play out....before you pass judgement on those that have not been proven one bit guilty. Otherwise, I am telling you, there are gonna be a lot of individuals trying to look themselves in the mirror over their judgmental behavior....

Attack me, no biggie here....I have very thick skin. If just a few of you think twice, I have succeeded in my mission. Bottom line folks, things are not as they seem. You will see.

[ May 26, 2008, 20:53: Message edited by: T e x ]

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Hehehe, Tex.

Cooler heads prevail I suppose.

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Hey, fellas, you may notice I edited a coupla posts here: Although I understand, must remind everybody--the stock or the company.

Ironman: No--there's no "hehehe." Delusional posting is one thing...But if you ever threaten another member here, you will not only be submitted to the Webmaster's list for ban candidates (with *my* hearty recommendation), you also will be reported to as many legal authorities as I personally can think of...

OK, back to regular programming--carry on, fellas...

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OMG....btw, is there a list anywhere here of the ones that are mods?
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Let this play out? That was what people were saying when this opened around $2 on the greys. Guess what, the people that "let this play out" that could have gotten out even, or close to it ended up losing pretty much everything. So sorry that after 18 months it rings a bit hollow, especially coming from an anonymous poster who's been here all of a week or so and refuses to give any background on why he's saying what he's saying.

I'm not a violent person, and I wish no physical harm to anyone, but ya know what, if Rufus really did lose his ranch and horses, then I'm glad. He personally cost a lot of people a lot more than physical posessions, and I think he's just insane enough to either not understand that fact, or to think that it's the fault of that person, and he has no responsibility.

And by the way, your argument that no one can prove the "dump" part of the P&D is retarded. When a stock goes from $4 to under a penny, there was a dump. No one really cares who dumped or why, just that someone dumped, and now their money is gone.

Oh, and if a friend/colleague at the SEC/FBI/SS said "be patient and let this play out", I would assume he would mean that I will find out all of the details of how the P&D was orchastrated when all of the i's are dotted and t's crossed. Maybe I'm just not enough of a conspiracy theorist, and can't "think outside the box" enough, but my ability to see things as they really are instead of living in a fantasy world of "what if's" has served me well in stock trading and life in general.

LOL, even your screen name is based on a ficticious character. You obviously can't handle the real world...

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Originally posted by Ironman64:
PCola77 -- since you feel the need to give me a "hearty *BLEEP*, name the place and time. I'll be there...

But be forewarned, *BLEEP, BLEEP, BLEEP*

As for the rest of you, why don't you just let this play out....before you pass judgement on those that have not been proven one bit guilty. Otherwise, I am telling you, there are gonna be a lot of individuals trying to look themselves in the mirror over their judgmental behavior....

Attack me, no biggie here....I have very thick skin. If just a few of you think twice, I have succeeded in my mission. Bottom line folks, things are not as they seem. You will see.


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It will be found and revealed once this plays out that Harris (or any on his side of the fence) was nowhere near the dump in CSHD. It will find that friends of many here, however, were quite involved. They will pay a hefty price.

Chew on that for a while.

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Here's what you fail to understand. Because of Rufus, people lost significant chunks of their life savings. Had he never opened his mouth with his garbled proclamations, you wouldn't have seen anyone hold this from $4 down to even as low as $1. No one cares who dumped, and no one cares if Rufus is found to be totally innocent in all of this, people are upset that they LOST MONEY. If Rufus is only concerned that his reputation will come out of this unscathed, then that in and of itself shows how much he is at fault, because he led people to believe that they would get their money back and more, but as you seem to be framing it, he's merely out to prove he wasn't the cause of the drop. So whether he's guilty of dumping or "just" guilty of misleading people, he's still guilty in the eyes of everyone. No matter how this plays out, Rufus does not come out of this with his reputation in tact.

He reminds me of an elementary school kid who just keeps telling bigger and bigger lies to try to get everyone to like him. As if that behavior isn't sad enough by itself, he brought hundreds of innocent people into his ruse, and caused damage that will never be undone.

Sorry man, (and I use that term loosely), but no one likes Rufus, no one respects Rufus, and no one cares if Rufus fades into Bolivian (as Mike Tyson would say). Maybe someday he'll realize that, and bow out quietly, instead of continuing to give people false hope.

If I'm wrong, I'll be man enough to admit it. I've been here for a while and am not going anywhere. But we all know that if you're wrong, you'll never be heard from again, so you have nothing to lose by making these wild posts. It's a shame that you have no integrity, but that's the nature of the message board beast.

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It will be found and revealed once this plays out that Harris (or any on his side of the fence) was nowhere near the dump in CSHD. It will find that friends of many here, however, were quite involved. They will pay a hefty price.

Chew on that for a while.


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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
It will be found and revealed once this plays out that Harris (or any on his side of the fence) was nowhere near the dump in CSHD. It will find that friends of many here, however, were quite involved. They will pay a hefty price.

Chew on that for a while.

How will it be found? Whom are you speaking of and from who will they pay a hefty price? This all smells of nonsense. If you want to have any sort of credibility, you need to speak clearly and forthright. Here let me help you.

1) I believe _________________ was involved in dumping of CSHD shares prior to CSHD becoming a grey sheet
2) I believe this to be true because ___________________________
3) __________________ can verify my claims
4)The way in which ___________________ will be penalized for their dumping tactics will be__________________________________________
5)Anything I (Ironman64) says should be considered credible because___________________

Until then, I will amuse myself by chewing air.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
It will be found and revealed once this plays out that Harris (or any on his side of the fence) was nowhere near the dump in CSHD. It will find that friends of many here, however, were quite involved. They will pay a hefty price.

Chew on that for a while.

Griff, is that you? Or are you ronburgundy? lol
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I still have my CSHD shares that sit and mock me in my account, but I have not paid much attention to this thread lately. But Ironman intrigues me.

Ironman, if your ideal scenario were to come to pass, what would happen to the following people:

Person A: Bought 10,000 shares at .20 before the run up, but did not sell any, because they were waiting for the $15 reset and 6:1.
Person B: Bought 10,000 shares at $2 and is still holding
Person C: Bought 10,000 shares at .20 on the way down, and is still holding
Person D: Bought 100,000 shares at .01, and is still holding.

Now, what about the same 4 people, but if they sold at some point to just take their loss?

Person E: Bought 10,000 shares at .20 before the run up, and has since sold for almost a total loss
Person F: Bought 10,000 shares at $2 and has since sold for almost a total loss
Person G: Bought 10,000 shares at .20 on the way down, and has since sold for almost a total loss
Person H: Bought 100,000 shares at .01, and has since sold for almost a total loss

I'd like to hear your take on each of the 8 cases, but the question I am most concerned with is the case of Person B who put $20,000 into this. Do they have any chance of ever seeing that money again, or do you think that we will eventually find out that Rufus wasn't involved in the dump of shares, but that person is pretty much out of luck?

I'm also curious if your end result assumes you can treat Person B and Person D differently, or if Person B getting their $20,000 back means that Person D pulls in $200,000 on this.

What say you?

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Are these two members on IHUB?

Are you the same new2stocks once tight with MA/DP/JG?

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http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=CSHD&p=D&yr=1&mn=0&dy=0&id=p20695624959

Great chart! lol

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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
Are these two members on IHUB?

Are you the same new2stocks once tight with MA/DP/JG?

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I do not care to give out personal information on my identity. That is not required in this discussion. So, move on and get over it.
how...

odd.

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Tex, I think you're being rather rude to our new guest by not allowing him to play by his own hypocritical rules.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
Are these two members on IHUB?

Are you the same new2stocks once tight with MA/DP/JG?

quote:
I do not care to give out personal information on my identity. That is not required in this discussion. So, move on and get over it.
how...

odd.


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ya, life's a beach [Big Grin]

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Tex --

Are you New2's counsel? The quote you posted from me about my identity is my personal preference. My question pertaining to New2 and his identity was simply that, a question.....If he chooses not to answer, that is his decision.

However, I think anyone with gray matter within their cranium, and absent of ulterior motives, can quickly assertain what is going on here.

I am here alone....it is obvious the same can not be said of others.

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So Ironman, in your perfect world, people would pop onto message boards, posting theories and innuendo, and the people who have been here for many years would simply take their post at face value, ignoring the fact that hundreds of people have come before you that make statements about good things that would happen to a particluar penny stock that never came to fruition, and the poster never shwoed up again? So you ask us to open our minds and think, but in doign so, be naive enough to remove all semblence of logical thinking that suggests that you are full of it, like the hunderds before you?
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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
Tex --

Are you New2's counsel? The quote you posted from me about my identity is my personal preference. My question pertaining to New2 and his identity was simply that, a question.....If he chooses not to answer, that is his decision.

However, I think anyone with gray matter within their cranium, and absent of ulterior motives, can quickly assertain what is going on here.

I am here alone....it is obvious the same can not be said of others.

You chose to come here and play games. You also chose to insult the intelligence of those that are here. Who actually has ulterior motives?

I would say that the person that comes here and posts wild thoeries with nothing to back it up, other than to say we should suspend our disbelief because he says he knows things and spreads wild conspiracy theories.

If you had taken any time to actually read what has been posted on this board you would see that we have discussed MA and his profits along with his gifting of shares but that fact doesn't give Rufus a free ride nor his mouth pieces that continue to spout off about the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

By the way, I don't believe in leprechauns either.

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Well then wally, you're just dumb. Haven't you ever seen a lucky charms commercial? Didn't your momma ever teach you that if you see it on TV it must be real? [Big Grin]


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By the way, I don't believe in leprechauns either.


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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
Tex --

Are you New2's counsel? The quote you posted from me about my identity is my personal preference. My question pertaining to New2 and his identity was simply that, a question.....If he chooses not to answer, that is his decision.

However, I think anyone with gray matter within their cranium, and absent of ulterior motives, can quickly assertain what is going on here.

I am here alone....it is obvious the same can not be said of others.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
Are these two members on IHUB?

Are you the same new2stocks once tight with MA/DP/JG?

Nope, I believe you have me confused with New2market.
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Yes, you are correct. My apologies for the misunderstanding New2stocks.

BTW, the other guy is reportedly in a lot of hot water with others.

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Man, this is almost as good as the Wanta Scandal that was up on alot of conspiracy boards last year. I wonder when the two will become intertwined and become one? HEHEHEH. TMAN...

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Hi there. Well I see that after 6 months (last time I looked at this) not much has changed. Unless there's something afoot anyone would like to share I'll check in with you all in about 6 more. Happy trading...

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Ironman, can you reply to this post? I'm curious if you think some of these people will recoup their money if things go like you think they will, or if it will just be the case that Rufus will be proven "innocent".

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I still have my CSHD shares that sit and mock me in my account, but I have not paid much attention to this thread lately. But Ironman intrigues me.

Ironman, if your ideal scenario were to come to pass, what would happen to the following people:

Person A: Bought 10,000 shares at .20 before the run up, but did not sell any, because they were waiting for the $15 reset and 6:1.
Person B: Bought 10,000 shares at $2 and is still holding
Person C: Bought 10,000 shares at .20 on the way down, and is still holding
Person D: Bought 100,000 shares at .01, and is still holding.

Now, what about the same 4 people, but if they sold at some point to just take their loss?

Person E: Bought 10,000 shares at .20 before the run up, and has since sold for almost a total loss
Person F: Bought 10,000 shares at $2 and has since sold for almost a total loss
Person G: Bought 10,000 shares at .20 on the way down, and has since sold for almost a total loss
Person H: Bought 100,000 shares at .01, and has since sold for almost a total loss

I'd like to hear your take on each of the 8 cases, but the question I am most concerned with is the case of Person B who put $20,000 into this. Do they have any chance of ever seeing that money again, or do you think that we will eventually find out that Rufus wasn't involved in the dump of shares, but that person is pretty much out of luck?

I'm also curious if your end result assumes you can treat Person B and Person D differently, or if Person B getting their $20,000 back means that Person D pulls in $200,000 on this.

What say you?

Jo


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Sandusky -- i like your sig.....reminds me of an old saying...."If you are going to take a shot, make it a head shot"
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Hey man, just ignore the questions you don't like that's totally cool. That's the ol' Ross Perot method and look where it got him!
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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
Tex --

Are you New2's counsel? The quote you posted from me about my identity is my personal preference. My question pertaining to New2 and his identity was simply that, a question.....If he chooses not to answer, that is his decision.

However, I think anyone with gray matter within their cranium, and absent of ulterior motives, can quickly assertain what is going on here.

I am here alone....it is obvious the same can not be said of others.

Ironman, I assume you have a very good reason for coming into a thread that had nothing but a faint heartbeat and make attempts to stir up the waters a bit. Have you been banned from everywhere else and this is the last place you have to "get your word out"?

As most know, ive alway rested in the "Pro CSHD" camp. However, there are times that I question my position when people like yourself come out of the woodwork for NO REASON AT ALL spouting off rumors and specualtion about the future of this stock. You came to the wrong board with that attitude my friend....we cut that BS here long ago.

If you have some "information" that leads you to believe that we can all sit tight and let this play out, congratulations. However, coming in here with the comments you are making is counterproductive IMO. Everyone here has been relatively quiet in comparison to the other boards. Some have made their opinions public while others just wait in silence. NO ONE asked for someone like yourself to come along and tell us its all going to be ok.

So, please explain, are you here because you have been banned everywhere else or was there a post/poster on this board that appeared as if they needed your help?

You say "I am here alone....it is obvious the same can not be said of others". What makes you so alone here? As far as I know we are all in the same boat here, what makes you different? Your posts come off very strong and IMO turn people off because of similar posts we have all witnessed on the various boards the past could of years.

I didnt mean to go so long with this. Basically, IMHO, your introduction posts on this thread cause more damage than good. Those that "believe" dont want anymore pumpers and those that dont "believe" want it even less. I know where I stand, your posts wont change that....but its a little late in the game to start playing on peoples emotions here at allstocks. IMO its wrong and the reasoning behind it confuses me.

One question for you though. How do YOU know that there arent any active lawsuits forming against Mr Harris or CSHD? Is that a guess or is that another fact that you heard filter down from some 3 letter agency?

Anyway, where are my manners. Welcome to the thread, I hope through your solid connections and DD skills you will be a valuable resource to our family here. Just please leave your crystal ball at the door.

Peace

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bilgert -- I am sure I will make even more friends after this one --- but, per your request --

1) I believe _________________ was involved in dumping of CSHD shares prior to CSHD becoming a grey sheet
2) I believe this to be true because ___________________________
3) __________________ can verify my claims
4)The way in which ___________________ will be penalized for their dumping tactics will be__________________________________________
5)Anything I (Ironman64) says should be considered credible because___________________

(1) A host of individuals, including Perley/Texas 100 (were)
(2) in speaking with a number of shareholders and several other ex-friends of this group, it was affirmed that they witnessed some of this behavior. It was further mentioned that up to $18M has been deposited in a safe place by one of the Texas 100.
(3) A number of shareholders who have spoken to me in confidence
(4) These individuals; penalty will be assessed by the various law enforcement agencies, but likely will include DOJ and FBI (federal)
(5) I have done my research instead of blindly making assessments.

Fire away....thick skin, remember.

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Hi Mr. CATIAEngineer.

I am not here to pump. I am not an insider to any company. I just do research, make connections and protect the identity of those I talk to. Like many news reporters, I will not breach the trust of those I speak to by giving their identity or as you might imagine, the information stream would be cut off. I am no more special than any others here, anyone could do what I have done if you so chose to.

Regarding lawsuits, I have heard through my list of sources that you yourself were testing the waters of a lawsuit some months ago. Perhaps by me stating this you will know that I don't blindly throw out crap. You should be able to affirm or deny whether you did such a thing.

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quote:
Originally posted by Ironman64:
Hi Mr. CATIAEngineer.

I am not here to pump. I am not an insider to any company. I just do research, make connections and protect the identity of those I talk to. Like many news reporters, I will not breach the trust of those I speak to by giving their identity or as you might imagine, the information stream would be cut off. I am no more special than any others here, anyone could do what I have done if you so chose to.

Regarding lawsuits, I have heard through my list of sources that you yourself were testing the waters of a lawsuit some months ago. Perhaps by me stating this you will know that I don't blindly throw out crap. You should be able to affirm or deny whether you did such a thing.

Well congratulations, you just placed yourself in a fairly small group of people ive learned to keep my eye on.

Correct, I was ACCUSED of "testing the waters of a lawsuit". That accusation led to a telephone discussion between myself and Mr Harris. Im fairly confident of who started the rumor, and Mr Harris himself informed me of how the rumor made it back to him.

So, I will confirm that there was indeed a rumor that I was starting a Class Action lawsuit against Mr Harris. However, I will strongly deny ANY truth to that rumor. At least I post under the same alias everywhere so these types of things can be handled in a man to man sort of fashion.

Share with the class how that rumor was started? Do you even know or is it more hearsay that you choose to spread to show how much you think you know? What did Mr Harris and I speak about on that phone call? As a result of that call, what "players" were later called out by Mr Harris on his board?

See, several people know that the rumor existed....IMO only a few people still believe I was truly "testing the waters" for any sort of lawsuit. You are either one of those few or are just trying to start trouble. Good luck with that.

Your "list of sources" should get their story straight because if their opinion of where this company is headed is as factual as me "testing the waters" for a lawsuit you are all barking up the wrong tree. Your "facts" are laughable at best.

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