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I have one comment on this... I spoke to one of the individuals on the SHC...AFTER John was voted in...Sabra's name came up...(if memory serves me well)...at that point...this individual had NOT spoke to SABRA and didn't mention if anyone else had...
I am leaning towards this email being mostly BS...but hey...what do i know...I still own a few shares of this damn stock! LOL
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Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,663 I just received this email. Enjoy!
From: John Smith <connectingthedotsdc*lycos.com> (Lycos. Inc.) Subject: Connecting The Dots
Quote: After the patriot Act requiring sharing of data, the little company in DC that I work for has been very busy. We can take the data from any system and make it available to any other system. Recently I came across data regarding CSHD and it caught my attention being a share holder. I started asking questions, and the information started pouring out. Everybody was willing to provide information off the record. The following is a summary of what I was told.
It looks like a lot of attention was on CSHD because of Sabra Dabbs. She had been running several questionable businesses that had attracted a lot of attention. Sabra was transferring money from off shore accounts to a Wachovia bank in FL. They thought she was money laundering at first. She was running a company called Power House Funding that was charging a $50,000.00 broker fee to people needing funding to locate funds. She would claim that she had access to large amounts of money, and would require them to pay her a fee to come onsite and look over the project, review their business plans, and then she would promise to get them funding. According to the complaints filed, she never provided the funding. I was told that there was not one project ever funded, and there are a some really upset people. These included some very high up people in other countries that were looking for project funding that banks did not want to touch. There were also some very nasty p! eople on the money side that also looked to be money laundering. And on the money side, is where she came across the bonds.
Some of these bonds that Sabra was representing were people that did not want to be known. When Rufus released their information, the Caracas Group sent a C&D. Rufus then had to hold off on releasing the 10K while Sabra tried salvage the relationship with the Caracas Group. Rufus believed that since he had a contract they could not back out. But It seems Sabra had not fully disclosed to Rufus the contracts and control she had with the bonds. The SEC then decided this was the time to step in and halted CSHD. Since Rufus had given the SEC copies of the contracts that Sabra had gotten, she gave the SEC a copy of the Caracas Group C&D in a effort to protect herself. Sabra then tried to take over the company by voting Rufus out. Rufus had seen it coming, and had Mike take the company back. Sabra then decided that since Rufus had not filed all the paper work needed to make her VP, she could not be held liable and decided to bail.
Sabra then started telling Mike her version of the problems and that she was the only one that had control of the bonds. Mike was caught in the middle and could not get Sabra to help now that she knew she was not a legal VP. While trying get answers from Rufus there was a pretty heated phone call between Mike and Rufus. Mike then decided to give the company back to Rufus. Sabra then started working with the share holder committee members to get them to remove Rufus. Sabra also told the SEC and SHC that preferred shares had been sold to people she had gotten to invest and nobody knew were the money was. Sabra has also been telling SHC tht Rufus and family have been dumping shares. Sabra was the person that had setup the CSHD accounts with the ADP and MM. Sabra was how the SHC and John was able to get things filed when Rufus couldn’t. Sabra has been playing both sides and against each other. The list of bad news that has been given the SHC is very long, and it! all is coming from Sabra. Behind the scenes Sabra has played a major role in the events that taken place, and poeple in the know can confirm this.
Sabra also had a company called The Corporate Credit Firm that for $5,000.00 would help companies build a corporate credit profile. She was reselling them a $600.00 Dunn &Bradstreet credit profile. That is how she met Mike. Had Sabra been able to build Mike's corporate credit and gotten him funding with her two companies then maybe Mike would have never gotten invloved with toxic funding. There were a lot of people that got charged $5,000.00 and never got anything more than a couple credit card accounts opened for them. All this is just the tip of the iceberg, but it is information that you can DD. From all the information I have seen, there should be no problem in finding people from Sabra’s past and the people involved to validate what I have found out. If the people mentioned deny what I have found out, make them put it in writing. Then you will be able to take legal action against them when the people off the record move forward!
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I question anyone who invokes the Patriot Act then posts on a message board info gleaned from the company's equipment that is supposedly under purview of that Act...
The story is entertaining, for sure...and the filing lends some o-wow-what-now oomph...
As posted, the loan/"toxic financing" seems to be a pivot point...
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Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 629 I've gathered some information about this email, which so far I know of 7 that have received this, and I was one.
It starts with a reference to the Patriot Act ... then 'little company' and the 'John Smith' is a shareholder of CSHD.
The information in this reflects the unproven information Lee Webb botherd with.
In my opinion, it's more of the same, to cause fear in the shareholders. If you believe, then you'll be happily rewarded, IMO - 99.99%! If you have questions or fear, then please consider your health; 100% of .2 is better than 0%.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?
Sorry, not being obtuse...all I know is "Frank," who posts here seems to have copied something from "John Smith" at HSM...
remember, I'm slow sometimes...what do you mean by "all these email addresses" ?
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Portman, hate to bother you , but your the only one I know of on the SHC. I'm sure you have heard the phrase "too many indians and not enough chiefs". The "indians"are very restless. Can we please put the question in to the SHC, that, when can we expect any word from anybody? Any "chiefs" out there that can settle us all down from the "posts of the day"? Thank you
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Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?
AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?
AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?
10, it just doesn't set well that e-mail addresses are "out" Does it?
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?
AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?
OK, let's back up
1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"
2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?
3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?
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agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.
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10 I still have a cert for this stock and I don't know if we are supposed to get 6:1 for our shares if I sold some today, but if I get anything from this stock i'll just have to thank my lucky charms. I could always buy some back if it looks worth it.
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Tex? the people that are on Paltalk...a private room for some of the CSHD peeps are the ones that got the email...i have no idea how many people are still visiting that room...but at one point it was near 200 people..(not real private...LOL) In any case...7 of those people got the same email from this John smith guy...and the email seems false for several reasons... Does it make a bit of difference? IMO no...just more BS that goes with this play...
And yes Momma...the thing with the email addresses being "out there" is rather odd...
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?
AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?
OK, let's back up
1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"
2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?
3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?
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agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.
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Just like every great fiction you add enough truth to make it believeable, and then spin and twist until it says what you want.
I see it this way:
If it is true we have no bonds and everyone involved will see jail time because the SEC will put the links together with their new best friends the FBI. Oh yeah and it means little to us because we are already done.
If it is a lie, then it should be tacked up on the wall with all the other lies from Our-Creep, Bart, M N 1, Da Lemon... and all the rest. Manipulating a Grey Sheet. Shame on you. Oh yeah and it means little to us because things will just move forward and we are already in the crapper.
A couple of known facts from previous DD PHF inc. and the Credit company are facts from Sabra's past. Niether looked bad in the DD, and if they were... Nobody was visibly complaining. Sabra checked out.
As for the storyline... it fits and is close to what my personal interpretation of events. I just do not think the Caracus Group through out a C&D. If it is run by who the email says it is run by, then I think a "death threat" would fit better than a C&D. I doubt devious sinister high powered world leaders send out a C&D when a pee-on like Rufus steps on their toes.
I think all should make their own judgement call on the validity of the email. It seemed "manufactured" to me, the source is not verifiable, and the few people who recieved the email seemed targeted. Just IMHO...
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?
There are many people that post email addresses in their profiles. on different sites. Alos many people gave their info to the SHC.
Seems very odd that Rufus and Sabra were talking as recently as his birthday. Rufus was on Subpenny that night and received a call from Sabra and mentioned that they were in contact quite a bit.
From the email, it would seem that much would have been out in the open prior to Rufus being ousted. If that were the case, I doubt Sabra would be calling Rufus to wish him a happy birthday.
Let's see. We have John Smith, that original. A little company in DC that deals with the Patriot Act and most of the information is not something the patriot act would cover since its a lot of private conversation, unless of course everyone's phone is bugged and they are under constant surviellence.
Well, I think I'll file this one in the circular file where it belongs. As far as the information about the businesses Sabra was involved in. I know I saw that when we first DD'ed her months ago. At least any info that didn't require government sharing due to the Patriot Act.
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an interesting analysis Tax. It sounds weird that no one would complain if Sabra was charging them a lot of money for zero services.
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? the people that are on Paltalk...a private room for some of the CSHD peeps are the ones that got the email...i have no idea how many people are still visiting that room...but at one point it was near 200 people..(not real private...LOL) In any case...7 of those people got the same email from this John smith guy...and the email seems false for several reasons... Does it make a bit of difference? IMO no...just more BS that goes with this play...
And yes Momma...the thing with the email addresses being "out there" is rather odd...
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?
AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?
OK, let's back up
1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"
2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?
3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?
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agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.
oh, I disagree...don't think it's BS, if by that you intend, irrelevant or immaterial.
If, as you seem to suggest, someone has access to shareholders' e-mails, that *universe* should be pretty easy to define.
sure, countless *theories* may erupt...but logic coupled with the axiom "follow the money" will prove fruitful, I'm more than confident.
As mentioned, it's way interesting to me that "toxic financing" seems to be the pivot. As you know, I've never let go of that loan question.
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?
There are many people that post email addresses in their profiles. on different sites. Alos many people gave their info to the SHC.
Seems very odd that Rufus and Sabra were talking as recently as his birthday. Rufus was on Subpenny that night and received a call from Sabra and mentioned that they were in contact quite a bit.
From the email, it would seem that much would have been out in the open prior to Rufus being ousted. If that were the case, I doubt Sabra would be calling Rufus to wish him a happy birthday.
Let's see. We have John Smith, that original. A little company in DC that deals with the Patriot Act and most of the information is not something the patriot act would cover since its a lot of private conversation, unless of course everyone's phone is bugged and they are under constant surviellence.
Well, I think I'll file this one in the circular file where it belongs. As far as the information about the businesses Sabra was involved in. I know I saw that when we first DD'ed her months ago. At least any info that didn't require government sharing due to the Patriot Act.
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Ok, and here's a question: IF someone has access to shareholders' e-mails? Why mail to only seven? Why not mail to all?
To me, that's a clue...
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quote:Originally posted by T e x: As mentioned, it's way interesting to me that "toxic financing" seems to be the pivot. As you know, I've never let go of that loan question.
I agree that the "Toxic financing" is the pivot. I do remember that Rufus talk about it and the fact that some of the people involved in it were some of the same people from BBAN.
He did mention that they were attempting to figure out who was entitled to what at some point in time.
Is it possible that he found a loophole and was trying to ace them out? With the offshore nature of the financing, I dougt it would be too difficult for them to short the stock, enlist a few bashers, such as Timothy Miles and aid in getting the SEC involved. If nothing else it makes ofr a great story line.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?
There are many people that post email addresses in their profiles. on different sites. Alos many people gave their info to the SHC.
Seems very odd that Rufus and Sabra were talking as recently as his birthday. Rufus was on Subpenny that night and received a call from Sabra and mentioned that they were in contact quite a bit.
From the email, it would seem that much would have been out in the open prior to Rufus being ousted. If that were the case, I doubt Sabra would be calling Rufus to wish him a happy birthday.
Let's see. We have John Smith, that original. A little company in DC that deals with the Patriot Act and most of the information is not something the patriot act would cover since its a lot of private conversation, unless of course everyone's phone is bugged and they are under constant surviellence.
Well, I think I'll file this one in the circular file where it belongs. As far as the information about the businesses Sabra was involved in. I know I saw that when we first DD'ed her months ago. At least any info that didn't require government sharing due to the Patriot Act.
GLTA Wally
Ok, and here's a question: IF someone has access to shareholders' e-mails? Why mail to only seven? Why not mail to all?
To me, that's a clue...
IMO, that would be overkill and people would immediately be able to figure out how the email addresses were obtained. It makes it much more interesting and mysterious to send it to a select few. Whoever it is knows what he is doing and is getting the desired effect.
The boards are buzzing. Like Tax posted just enough truth to make it all plausible. Then leak it to a select few knowing it will show up on the message boards.
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