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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
November 27, 2006 - 11:15 PM EST

Conversion Solutions Announces New Management Team Appointed by Majority Shareholders Vote to Move the Company Forward
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following current events have taken place:

On November 27, 2006, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. shareholders, representing 51+% of the eligible voting shares of the Company, based on a unanimous recommendation from the CSHD Shareholder Committee, have voted and agreed to remove Mr. Rufus Paul Harris as Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board due to, but not limited to, the following reasons:

1. Breach of fiduciary responsibility by not retaining proper legal counsel to represent Conversion Solutions Holding Corp. in response to a Complaint filed by the SEC in the Georgia Northern District Court;

2. Failure to file timely responses to the SEC's Complaint in Georgia Northern District Court;

3. Failure to file the annual 10k in a timely manner, which resulted in a violation of the SEC Eligibility Rule for the OTC BB, thereby causing an 'E' to be affixed to the Company's ticker symbol.

On November 27, 2006, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. shareholders, representing 51+% of the eligible voting shares of the Company, based on a unanimous recommendation from the CSHD Shareholder Committee, have voted and agreed to appoint Mr. John Arlitt as Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Conversion Solutions Holding Corp.

Pursuant to the provisions of the Delaware Business Corporation Act, as amended, the undersigned directors, being a majority of the shareholders of The Fronthaul Group, Inc./Conversion Solutions Holdings, Corp., a Delaware corporation (the "Company"), acting by written consent, hereby adopt the following corporation shareholder resolutions and hereby consent to the taking of the actions set forth therein.

WHEREAS, Randy Moseley has offered to return to the Company as its Interim Chief Financial Officer, pending D and O Insurance, to assist Mr. Arlitt in the restructuring and management of the financial aspects of the Company.

RESOLVED, that John Arlitt be appointed as the Company's sole director in replacement of Rufus Paul Harris, the current director of record with the Delaware Secretary of State, and any other directors that might have been appointed and not reported to the Delaware Secretary of State.

RESOLVED FURTHER, that John Arlitt be appointed as the Company's Chief Executive Officer, President, and Chairman of the Board.

RESOLVED FURTHER, that Randy Moseley become the Company's Interim Chief Financial Officer, pending D and O Insurance.

RESOLVED FURTHER, that John Arlitt, and other management personnel appointed by Mr. Arlitt as sole director, be authorized to establish corporate bank relations and accounts for the Company.

RESOLVED FURTHER, that John Arlitt be authorized to establish the corporate offices for the Company in a location that he deems appropriate, and to accumulate and secure all of the Company's financial records at the selected location.

RESOLVED FURTHER, that the Company file an amended Annual 10-KSB and the September 30, 2006 Quarterly 10-QSB with the Securities and Exchange Commission as soon as possible.

RESOLVED FURTHER, that the Company terminate all existing employment agreements, and authorizes the new Board of Directors to negotiate employment agreements with new management as deemed necessary.

RESOLVED FURTHER, that John Arlitt, as sole director, be authorized to cancel shares of common stock issued to the replaced board of directors and management as he deems equitable.

The execution of this Consent, which may be accomplished in counterparts, shall constitute a written waiver of any notice required by the Delaware Business Corporation Act or this corporation's Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws.

Dated: November 27, 2006.

About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at http://www.cvsu.us/.

Conversion Solutions Holding Corp. Safe Harbor Statement

Information provided in this press release may contain statements relating to current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based upon management's current estimates and projections of future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the date hereof, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

Source: Market Wire (November 27, 2006 - 11:15 PM EST)
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
ahhhh ~

Room to GROW here! [Big Grin]
 
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Posted by portman on :
 
*sniff* *sniff*

Smells like a new thread...
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Heres the PR on Arlitt when they hired him at Diversified Industries:

http://press.arrivenet.com/industry/article.php/580513.html
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Stock chart for when he worked for them as investor relations:

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Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Mr. Arlitt has been helping companies achieve their corporate and financial goals through his numerous business contacts and associations throughout North America and Europe
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
then thats a good thing....now that he's driving, where will he take us??

exciting times ahead..
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
*sniff* *sniff*

Smells like a new thread...

-no that was me... -sorry ~ [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
No Beans for Chart walker... eat charcoal it helps..
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Mr. Arlitt has been helping companies achieve their corporate and financial goals through his numerous business contacts and associations throughout North America and Europe

Love that HIGHLIGHTED area stock! [Smile]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dinner42:
No Beans for Chart walker... eat charcoal it helps..

ha ~
--that's even more funny coming from someone with the name "dinner" LOL ~~
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
From Hittup on HSM:

John Arlitt is Tut.

Checked my personal email address and it matchs up to the Vancouver certified Arlitt Financial Corp.

Phone: 604-632-3880 btw..

He said he'll reveal himself anyways.. so I'll put my word on it it is him.
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by dinner42:
No Beans for Chart walker... eat charcoal it helps..

ha ~
--that's even more funny coming from someone with the name "dinner" LOL ~~

The emphasis being whether or not I eat at the end of the day on the stocks I trade...

lol~
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Heres a little more to tie all of tuts mystery together.

Arlitt once worked as investors relations for Megastar Development.

The CEO of Megastar Development is : Dusan Berka

Dušan Berka, P.Eng., Director

Having worked in Europe and North America, Mr. Berka has over 35 years of international business experience. He has extensive experience in the finance, marketing, and administration of public companies in addition to corporate communication, public relations and contract negotiations. He has served as a Director and Officer of various public companies traded on the TSX, TSX Venture Exchange and NASDAQ and currently the President/Director of Megastar Development Corp. with operations nearby in the Val d'Or, Quebec area. Mr. Berka is a graduate engineer with a M.Sc. (Dipl.Ing.) degree from Slovak Technical University, Bratislava, Slovakia (1968) and has been a member of the Association of Professional Engineers and Geoscientists of British Columbia since 1977.
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There is a similar company, named Megastar, with offices in Dubai.
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. Megastar (www.megastar.com.sa) [Top]

We are an entertainment company and it is a subsidiary of Al Faisaliah Group (AFG). AFG was established by HRH Prince Abdullah Al Faisal Al Saud who is the eldest son of the Late King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. AFG is ranked No. 13 among all the business houses in Saudi Arabia. It has an annual turnover of 2 billion Saudi Riyals (US$533 Million). AFG is a conglomerate which includes, entertainment electronics to institutional electronics, computers, medical equipment, telecommunications, petrochemicals, agricultural farming, diary farming and real estate. Megastar was established in 1992 with the prime aim of distributing entertainment software, such as music, video films, video programs or multimedia software. Megastar has shown an impressive growth in the business. Its average growth is 41.87%. Megastar has its independent distribution network with Head Office in Riyadh and regional offices in Jeddah, and Al Khobar. It has branch offices in Dubai and Kuwait. Dubai looks after Gulf countries except Saudi Arabia and Kuwait. Megastar represents Sony Music Entertainment, Timbuktu Record, V2 Music, and DK Music of international repertoire.
It also represents Sony Music India, Rehamat Gramophone Co., Rafa, Majid and T-Series for Asian Repertoire. Megastar, as part of its search for quality products, is looking at the huge Arabic segment as well. Megastar video division started operating in January '96. Megastar is the exclusive licensees for Twentieth Century Fox, Columbia Tristar, MGM and some other independent labels. Megastar has a highly sophisticated music and video cassette replicating facility comprising of latest technology to cater to our GCC requirements. Our skilled staff ensures that our consumers get nothing but the highest quality recorded cassettes. Megastar has in-house Art & Graphic facility to design inlay cards and promotional materials to promote its products. Megastar has a vast dealer network, which has more than 600 dealers around the Middle East. Megastar has a very strong presence in the retail business. Megastar owns 17 dedicated showrooms 11 in KSA and 6 in UAE, selling records and films such as music cassettes, CDs, VHS, VCDs, DVDs, Multimedia, accessories, and hardware (Sony Playstation). More company owned stores in Saudi Arabia and Dubai is in the offing.As part of Megastar continuous expansion, it has launched multimedia products in the GCC. Megastar has tied up with few companies like Dorling Kindersley, Electronics Arts, etc.
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If there is a connection, who knows?

But this could have been where all the "prince of dubai" talk came from?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Here we is!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Damn good DD guys, I feel good being with the people on this thread.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Are we goign to be on a canadian exchange now?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
There's more on page 107 of the old thread...
And there is more that will keep comin'...lots of info on this guy...
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Damn good DD guys, I feel good being with the people on this thread.


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
what's this about Diamcor Diamonds?

does that look good?

(to anyone deep-DD'ing this)
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
and do we get a PR on that Significant Material Event?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Not as of yet..BUT? If we did? At least it wouldn't be the greys...LOL

quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Are we goign to be on a canadian exchange now?


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Wow... take a few days off with the family. Eat some turkey, have a beer or two. Only get a sporatic chance to read these messages and witness everything from well hoiday wishes, to flagrantly denied personal attacks... and BOOM Tut takes over.

Very cool development, should be a positive move, and heck what do I care since I am just along for the ride at this point anyway. Wouldn't sell if the commissions were waved and the pps stood at $2.

Wondering what has happened to Rufus tho... I know he is the keeper of many of the contacts so his cooperative transition will be very beneficial. Also... I know Tut always claimed a boat load of shares, but he would have had Mike's backing for this correct? Possibily Ben's, and maybe Rufus and Romeo's? +50% is tough to swing without colaboration.

Very restful vacation, glad to see the familiar names, and looking forward to some December movement. [Cool]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I guess Rufus was walking on thin ice, as I said somewhere earlier the majority shareholders have probably been getting edgy and impatient.
What wiil be next on the agenda.
Making money would be one good option.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
The Supreme Economic Council (www.sec.gov.sa)

The SEC is responsible for the Kingdom’s economic policy, taking into account both national needs and international trends and developments. Chaired by Crown Prince Abdullah, deputy premier, the SEC was set up to meet the challenges of the modern world and ensure Saudi Arabia’s continued position of influence in global economic forums.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
AND..............

What about DC?

Will we still need that?
And if we are still having it, now I'm really wondering what bomb will be dropped!...

Cause come one, a meeting at DC has to be about more then hotdog's and drinking beer...

-although that's enough for me! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

So,.. DC or no DC, THAT is our next question, IMO
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
The Supreme Economic Council (www.sec.gov.sa)

The SEC is responsible for the Kingdom’s economic policy, taking into account both national needs and international trends and developments. Chaired by Crown Prince Abdullah, deputy premier, the SEC was set up to meet the challenges of the modern world and ensure Saudi Arabia’s continued position of influence in global economic forums.

Funny, didn't GWB meet with them the other day?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
So the last 2 PRs have been change in CEO . Very interesting.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Great news...hope Rufus will land on his feet...
and I hope that Mr. John is able to get this ball rolling and the stock climbing...
but? It's late and 6 am comes quick...
sleep well all! [Smile]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
John Arlitt is the new trail... so far the digging looks good. Stirke that very good. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
So how is John Arlitt going to have time to run all the companies hes involved in currently. I dont like it.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I hate to be a buzz kill but I have a question that troubles me greatly. Why would a person who is “right” or “righteous” not obtain legal council when instructed by a Federal Judge?

If you had the NSS forensics and the reported bond ownership wouldn’t you be in hurry to show the world this incredibly information?

Then again, if you claimed to have one or both, and didn’t, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that you would do anything you could to avoid the inevitable?

I’m not trying to be negative here; I’m just tying to understand why we have gone down this apparently destructive path.

I see only two logic reasons to my question. Either RPH didn’t have the goods to back his claim or he is the most incredibly incompetent CEO ever. Regardless, something doesn’t add up right now.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Arlitt isnt involved in all of the companies still.

From what I can gather, the PR's that show him/introduce him are there. Their stock chart shows a decline.. and several months later his name is no longer at the bottom of PR's.

Looks to me, IMO, that he was hired, underperformed, and was kicked to the curb.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
Arlitt isnt involved in all of the companies still.

From what I can gather, the PR's that show him/introduce him are there. Their stock chart shows a decline.. and several months later his name is no longer at the bottom of PR's.

Looks to me, IMO, that he was hired, underperformed, and was kicked to the curb.

haha isn't that just great then...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Great news...hope Rufus will land on his feet...
and I hope that Mr. John is able to get this ball rolling and the stock climbing...
but? It's late and 6 am comes quick...
sleep well all! [Smile]

sorry...not following: why is this great news?
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Definetly great! lol..

All thats going for the name is that "mysterious coincidental" connection between everyones names and company names.
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
Then deductive reasoning suggests they would head in the right direction regarding counsel on the matter.. maybe Arlitt was trying to save a buck on legal fees and it proved to be incorrect. [Eek!]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
I hate to be a buzz kill but I have a question that troubles me greatly. Why would a person who is “right” or “righteous” not obtain legal council when instructed by a Federal Judge?

If you had the NSS forensics and the reported bond ownership wouldn’t you be in hurry to show the world this incredibly information?

Then again, if you claimed to have one or both, and didn’t, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that you would do anything you could to avoid the inevitable?

I’m not trying to be negative here; I’m just tying to understand why we have gone down this apparently destructive path.

I see only two logic reasons to my question. Either RPH didn’t have the goods to back his claim or he is the most incredibly incompetent CEO ever. Regardless, something doesn’t add up right now.

unless....

John is the one who wanted the DC meeting, and NOT Rufus....

-get what I'm saying?...

Cause that would mean that Rufus and John talked, and if that's the case, what's next?...

Bet something good ~
Night Board!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
--think about this...

Tut ALWAYS said we would find out who he was.
"Why would he say that back THEN unless he knew something like this was going to happen?"

Somethings up....

-a good something I feel.

my .02 cents ~
-night.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
I hate to be a buzz kill but I have a question that troubles me greatly. Why would a person who is “right” or “righteous” not obtain legal council when instructed by a Federal Judge?

If you had the NSS forensics and the reported bond ownership wouldn’t you be in hurry to show the world this incredibly information?

Then again, if you claimed to have one or both, and didn’t, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that you would do anything you could to avoid the inevitable?

I’m not trying to be negative here; I’m just tying to understand why we have gone down this apparently destructive path.

I see only two logic reasons to my question. Either RPH didn’t have the goods to back his claim or he is the most incredibly incompetent CEO ever. Regardless, something doesn’t add up right now.

unless....

John is the one who wanted the DC meeting, and NOT Rufus....

-get what I'm saying?...

Cause that would mean that Rufus and John talked, and if that's the case, what's next?...

Bet something good ~
Night Board!

I do see what you are saying, but the PR looks more like a kick in the balls to RPH. This just doesn’t look like John and RPH had a “hug-it-out love fest”, see you D.C. type of agreement that you are implying. Or, perhaps I’ve missed your point altogether.
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
Does Corporate Volitility equal PPS fluxuation?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
I hate to be a buzz kill but I have a question that troubles me greatly. Why would a person who is “right” or “righteous” not obtain legal council when instructed by a Federal Judge?

If you had the NSS forensics and the reported bond ownership wouldn’t you be in hurry to show the world this incredibly information?

Then again, if you claimed to have one or both, and didn’t, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that you would do anything you could to avoid the inevitable?

I’m not trying to be negative here; I’m just tying to understand why we have gone down this apparently destructive path.

I see only two logic reasons to my question. Either RPH didn’t have the goods to back his claim or he is the most incredibly incompetent CEO ever. Regardless, something doesn’t add up right now.

unless....

John is the one who wanted the DC meeting, and NOT Rufus....

-get what I'm saying?...

Cause that would mean that Rufus and John talked, and if that's the case, what's next?...

Bet something good ~
Night Board!

I do see what you are saying, but the PR looks more like a kick in the balls to RPH. This just doesn’t look like John and RPH had a “hug-it-out love fest”, see you D.C. type of agreement that you are implying. Or, perhaps I’ve missed your point altogether.
I hear you!
That is the way I read that too..

So back to the question of WHO wants the meeting and why ~

Like I posted before, THIS is the next question that will answer alot IMO...

Does John want a DC meeting?
Bet he does... -gut feeling...
That and how Tut said we would someday find out who he is...

Why did he say that always?...
What does John all know?...
Who are "HIS people?"
John has a Europe connection to...

Million questions, to many to tie up in a nice pretty bow, but I think info should be coming forward now... -I hope! [Smile]

nappy time ~
[Smile]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Time to move forward, this comatose stuff is for the birds.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
At least one positive I can glean from the PR is that we are moving away from simply hypothecating the business model to implementing it.

It shouldn’t take long to find out if we are “golden” or if RPH was referring to the color of his mango flavored Kool-Aid.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Great news...hope Rufus will land on his feet...
and I hope that Mr. John is able to get this ball rolling and the stock climbing...
but? It's late and 6 am comes quick...
sleep well all! [Smile]

does this mean the Million-Member March is off?

no DC holiday/protest?
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
*sniff* *sniff*

Smells like a new thread...

I wish I could edit this to say...

I love that New Thread smell.

LOL

GM Board.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
this all may be good and i hope that it is, but how does it change what is going on with the sec?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I think this seems kind of odd. RPH called for the creation of the Shareholder Committee. He had urgent matters....

Some reason I doubt the emergency creation session for the committee was to form the "compensation committee". I think there are things going on behind the scenes that made RPH taking the reigns back from RPH not such a good idea.

Its interesting that an "emergency" committee that he called for to be created would pull a ceasar on him and oust him out of his position and point to tut and say "You're it"

There is definately some other plan/agenda being fullfilled in the background (Yes RPH involved- not kicked to the curb).

Which to me is fine- long as someone moves this slow train along.

[EDIT] And GOOOOOOODDD MORNING!
 
Posted by Rhyz on :
 
And so it continues.....Hopefully something will get done now. Excellent DD guys!!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Good Morning Board ~

Frank I agree...
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Good morning board.... Gee you guys were up playing last night I see..

So its 100% Tut???

What about the possible 306000 shares bought brfore the bell yesterday??

I LOVE IT!!
 
Posted by Goodones on :
 
This seems to be TUT. Any change has to be good news. Another green day I think.
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
Hey guys I took Tax's plan of taking a little while off and I come back to this. This should be very interested to say the least
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
This John has a FINANCE company, and a stock that trades on the Canadian exchange (and other company ties), -and we have a meeting in DC coming up to announce...... (???)

-gotta be good! [Smile]

Rufus said WAY back that he wouldn't be CEO for long, -remember? -what an odd thing to predict, or was it?...

John/Tut, said one day we will know his name,
-why did he say that?
-why would we care?
Why also did Tut say that things can't be said till it's time... Tut/John also said over and over "you don't know what you have here" also said there are some power players involved here.

Billion dollar bonds given to Rufus? -Or did/does a finance company make more sense?..........
Rufus was a knowing puppet IMO ~

Any lights coming on for people who bashed Tut yet? [Smile]

Now... --WHO are John's people?
His group, his connections? In an older PR a EUROPE connection was mentioned..... Euro bonds,
-Euroclear.... Finance company.... [Smile]
Sounds like the party is just getting started!

All the merger talk wasn't hype looks like ~

Indeed, get your cheap shares now! LOL ~~
 
Posted by shomethamoney on :
 
Does anyone know about the 6 for 1 shares and when we will be seeing those or was that all a lie along with the $15 dollar pps deal? If so then I personally am going to look into a class action suit because part of my buy in was based on Rufus' hype and the stock movement and so called things that were going on. Any information on the above mentioned would be appreciated.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
As a stockholder, is it possible to know exactly who, how many shares, etc. the 51 percent shareholders are? If it is possible, does someone know that can list them or tell me how to find out that information? I'm just a little concerned it might be conprised of Rufus, Sabra, Mike, et. al.

Second, now that he supposedly is the CEO, I hope he stops speaking in tongue like he is an extra in one of The Mummy sequels.
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
I'm glad Rufus is gone. It is clear that he is totally incompetent ! Sounds like these people have a ton of shares and want to see a better valuation than .15, good luck to them. I still think this goose is cooked even if they made Warren Buffet the CEO.
 
Posted by Sandusky on :
 
He's in, He's out, He's in, He's out again...I expect him to be in again within 2 weeks (snickers)
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
I'm glad Rufus is gone. It is clear that he is totally incompetent ! Sounds like these people have a ton of shares and want to see a better valuation than .15, good luck to them. I still think this goose is cooked even if they made Warren Buffet the CEO.

I think the oven just finished preheating.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
morning board! I'm glad to see we have a new CEO!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
OK was that fun? Did everybody get to have a ride in the CEO chair? OK, now let's get down to business!! [Wink]
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Never a grey area with regard to US' opinion...Man I thought you had left this boat...

Anyway...nice to hear from you again.

BTW, I like Smelly. [Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
I'm glad Rufus is gone. It is clear that he is totally incompetent ! Sounds like these people have a ton of shares and want to see a better valuation than .15, good luck to them. I still think this goose is cooked even if they made Warren Buffet the CEO.


 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
I'm glad Rufus is gone. It is clear that he is totally incompetent ! Sounds like these people have a ton of shares and want to see a better valuation than .15, good luck to them. I still think this goose is cooked even if they made Warren Buffet the CEO.

I agree!!!

WOW, I see 18cents a share!!! Now to gain that other 1000% and we'll be close to where we began our drop...
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
speechless.... and hopefull
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Good morning all - glad to see some action on a CSHD thread again. Hoping for the best here!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Anyone elses Etrade all messed up? I can't buy anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Grey sheet question: I know we all said they match up the prices, but what about quantities - can anyone 'splain how that works too?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Tut mentioned something about protesting in Washington right after we started trading on the greys. He was very upset about that happening. I'm sure that post is somewhere on HSM.

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
I hate to be a buzz kill but I have a question that troubles me greatly. Why would a person who is “right” or “righteous” not obtain legal council when instructed by a Federal Judge?

If you had the NSS forensics and the reported bond ownership wouldn’t you be in hurry to show the world this incredibly information?

Then again, if you claimed to have one or both, and didn’t, then wouldn’t it stand to reason that you would do anything you could to avoid the inevitable?

I’m not trying to be negative here; I’m just tying to understand why we have gone down this apparently destructive path.

I see only two logic reasons to my question. Either RPH didn’t have the goods to back his claim or he is the most incredibly incompetent CEO ever. Regardless, something doesn’t add up right now.

unless....

John is the one who wanted the DC meeting, and NOT Rufus....

-get what I'm saying?...

Cause that would mean that Rufus and John talked, and if that's the case, what's next?...

Bet something good ~
Night Board!

I do see what you are saying, but the PR looks more like a kick in the balls to RPH. This just doesn’t look like John and RPH had a “hug-it-out love fest”, see you D.C. type of agreement that you are implying. Or, perhaps I’ve missed your point altogether.
I hear you!
That is the way I read that too..

So back to the question of WHO wants the meeting and why ~

Like I posted before, THIS is the next question that will answer alot IMO...

Does John want a DC meeting?
Bet he does... -gut feeling...
That and how Tut said we would someday find out who he is...

Why did he say that always?...
What does John all know?...
Who are "HIS people?"
John has a Europe connection to...

Million questions, to many to tie up in a nice pretty bow, but I think info should be coming forward now... -I hope! [Smile]

nappy time ~
[Smile]


 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://www.hot stockmarket.com/forums/member.php?u=16135

link to Tut's posts on H S M
 
Posted by shomethamoney on :
 
Does anyone know when we will get the 6 for 1 split?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Here you go...

Nov 7th, 2006, 04:33 PM #2940
tutankhamen
HSM Regular

Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 464 Quote:

Actually I am now at the point after witnessing these kind of abuses for so long that I believe something that has never been done before should be planned. A full blown protest march organized to head straight to the headquarters of the SEC and believe me that will get powerful media attention and make the country finally take notice.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
He said this too not to long ago.

Nov 17th, 2006, 07:12 PM #4683
tutankhamen
HSM Regular


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 464

Washington, D.C. Think about it.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Tut (when do we start calling him John?) has always been for the 6 for 1 split.

quote:
Originally posted by shomethamoney:
Does anyone know when we will get the 6 for 1 split?


 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by shomethamoney:
Does anyone know when we will get the 6 for 1 split?

Probably not. And say you did, whats your share count now X .18?

I haven't the time or effort to march at DC when I have trouble getting time to go home...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Morning guys!!! Can someone catch me up- haven't been around since Sunday......
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
If you read the PR on the first page you will be mostly caught up.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Grey sheet question: I know we all said they match up the prices, but what about quantities - can anyone 'splain how that works too?

BUMP
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Some say the new CEO is TUT. Could be. I don't know. I just hope he is the right guy for the job for now.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Hi Jenna!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Arlitt is also the Chairman of the Board so it looks like Rufus got passed over for that position this time around also.
There's mention of power to take back common shares from prior officers, so that may be a leverage play to gain cooperation from certain ones.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Hi Jenna! Nice to see you back, just wish I didn't have to go study now... Test over neuro, gi, sub abuse and meds Fri. Then our final the 14th [Frown] . Not looking forward to that...
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
So...what does this do to Alexander's mystery merger shares and the float?
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Arlitt is also the Chairman of the Board so it looks like Rufus got passed over for that position this time around also.
There's mention of power to take back common shares from prior officers, so that may be a leverage play to gain cooperation from certain ones.

Rufus should be permanently exiled from anything that has to do with CSHD. Yes, his actions and statements got us from .08 to $4; but they also got us from $4 to .15 !

His biography should be titled "There and Back Again", lol.
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Jenna - Clean out your mailbox Jenna, you skank!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
Hi Jenna! Nice to see you back, just wish I didn't have to go study now... Test over neuro, gi, sub abuse and meds Fri. Then our final the 14th [Frown] . Not looking forward to that...

Good Luck!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Jenna - Clean out your mailbox Jenna, you skank!

Ok - you dirty gigalo!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
All I can say about this news - is MY wish came true!!!! [Wink]

I love this guy!!!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I have no doubt that Mike Alexander put his shares into this vote and moved Rufus out and John in. Rumor is that last time Rufus was pulled, it only took 12 shareholders to make up the 51%. I'm pretty sure they didn't have many more than that this time...thus Mike was involved.

One thing that gets me is the PR says that the shareholders committee voted for this...I registered for that and didn't get a vote. I guess we might now know why there was a cutoff date for registering, but they must have had more than they needed for a vote.

At least the sands are once again flowing through the hourglass [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Excellent post Chart...these are all bits and pieces to this grand puzzle. Question is…have we missed any clues (pieces)? From day one, I wondered how Rufus could have negotiated these deals by himself...how was he THIS connected. No offense or disrespect to Rufus intended, but he does not seem to be very “European”…know what I mean?!?!

The "puppet" word has been bouncing around in my mind since September. I just didn't know who was pulling the strings for whom. I knew that there had to be someone pulling strings from a distance. I’m not saying that John was necessarily that person, but I always suspected this thing was bigger than just Rufus and CSHD.

I have also wondered why Tut has constantly told us that we would know who he was when the time was right.

I hope that this is what he meant by that statement. What I’m saying is…I hope that this is a proactive move rather than a reactive move.


quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
This John has a FINANCE company, and a stock that trades on the Canadian exchange (and other company ties), -and we have a meeting in DC coming up to announce...... (???)

-gotta be good! [Smile]

Rufus said WAY back that he wouldn't be CEO for long, -remember? -what an odd thing to predict, or was it?...

John/Tut, said one day we will know his name,
-why did he say that?
-why would we care?
Why also did Tut say that things can't be said till it's time... Tut/John also said over and over "you don't know what you have here" also said there are some power players involved here.

Billion dollar bonds given to Rufus? -Or did/does a finance company make more sense?..........
Rufus was a knowing puppet IMO ~

Any lights coming on for people who bashed Tut yet? [Smile]

Now... --WHO are John's people?
His group, his connections? In an older PR a EUROPE connection was mentioned..... Euro bonds,
-Euroclear.... Finance company.... [Smile]
Sounds like the party is just getting started!

All the merger talk wasn't hype looks like ~

Indeed, get your cheap shares now! LOL ~~


 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
do we have any confirmation of what actually happened to Sabra? - or is everything just speculation at this point?
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Jenna .... Do you think Tut is John Arlitt ? [Smile] [Wink]
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
The shareholder committee approved of the vote but only the representing 51+% of the eligible voting shareholders voted.

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I have no doubt that Mike Alexander put his shares into this vote and moved Rufus out and John in. Rumor is that last time Rufus was pulled, it only took 12 shareholders to make up the 51%. I'm pretty sure they didn't have many more than that this time...thus Mike was involved.

One thing that gets me is the PR says that the shareholders committee voted for this...I registered for that and didn't get a vote. I guess we might now know why there was a cutoff date for registering, but they must have had more than they needed for a vote.

At least the sands are once again flowing through the hourglass [Big Grin] .


 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Weird coincidence...pulled up Yahoo and this is the headline story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20061127/hl_hsn/kingtutwasntbludgeonedtodeathstudy
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I have no doubt that Mike Alexander put his shares into this vote and moved Rufus out and John in. Rumor is that last time Rufus was pulled, it only took 12 shareholders to make up the 51%. I'm pretty sure they didn't have many more than that this time...thus Mike was involved.

One thing that gets me is the PR says that the shareholders committee voted for this...I registered for that and didn't get a vote. I guess we might now know why there was a cutoff date for registering, but they must have had more than they needed for a vote.

At least the sands are once again flowing through the hourglass [Big Grin] .

Read it again...
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Is everyone else showing last trade at 9:54?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
milliam, I see that shareholder committee statement also. I signed up on time and know i'm on the nobo list etc,. But I did'nt hear anything about this till the PR. I did'nt expect to get called into any vote anyway due to the fact that there is the handful that own the controlling amount of shares. I guess they are on the committee also, thus....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Jenna .... Do you think Tut is John Arlitt ? [Smile] [Wink]

Dad- I know that a lot of people know his first name, & I think that most have figured that the new CEO is Tut- I think that he would probably rather let everyone know....but I can assure you that the man that is CEO has the same name of the man that I know to be Tut...I only wish that I do not offend him by confirming that.....

I have grown to like him & I respect him very much as does St. Matt.
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
My Ad-Hoc DD:


John Louis Arlitt, Arlitt Financial Services



http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Arlitt_John_703019282.aspx



http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Arlitt_John_48743968.aspx





Diversified Industries (IR Rep):



http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/CompanyDetail.aspx?CompanyID=36245226&cs=QECKQ7qe 4



http://www.dvsind.com/




http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/hearings.asp?id=2020 (Arlitt, John Louis, - Paid)




http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2003_Oct_29/ai_109396722

Rival Retains Arlitt Financial Corp

Business Editors

VANCOUVER, British Columbia--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Oct. 29, 2003

Rival Technologies Inc. (OTCBB:RVTIF) announces that it has retained Arlitt Financial Corp. to act as communications and corporate finance liaison.

Arlitt Financial will be responsible for Rival's communications with the North American investment community and developing Rival's presentation and shareholder communication materials. Arlitt Financial has agreed to manage Rival's communications with underwriters, brokers, market makers and shareholders; as well as assist Rival with its corporate finance activities.

Arlitt Financial is a private company wholly owned by John L. Arlitt. Since 1990, Arlitt Financial has successfully assisted numerous public companies achieve their corporate and financial goals, due to its numerous business contacts throughout North America and Europe.

On behalf of the Board of Directors

William H. Morrison, President

Certain statements in this press release constitute "forward looking statements" within the meaning of the United States Securities Legislation. The Company's actual results could differ from those in the forward-looking statements. Do not construe this information as investment advice. This is not a solicitation to buy or sell securities. This does not purport to be a complete analysis of the Company Investing in securities is speculative and carries a high degree of risk. Past performance does not guarantee future results. Readers should consult their own independent advisers with any investment, including any contemplated investment. All information contained in this press release should be independently investigated. This press release contains forward-looking statements. These remarks involve risks and uncertainties. Risks are not limited to quarterly fluctuations in results or the companies' management of growth and competition. Other risks are detailed in the Company's SEC filings. Actual results may differ materially from such information set forth herein.

COPYRIGHT 2003 Business Wire
COPYRIGHT 2003 Gale Group

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=RVTI.PK&a=11&b=8&c=2003&d=10&e=19&f=2006&g=m





http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/comdoc.nsf/AllByUNID/AB73E57D0DEEEBFB88256A6B0079E8BC?open document

Document Sub-category:Settlements (Without a Hearing) Document No.:1998/08/12 Subject:ARLITT FINANCIAL CORPORATION, et. al. [Agreed Stmt] Amendments: Published Date: 08/14/1998 Effective Date:08/12/1998





http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/uploadedFiles/AnnualReport_1999.pdf

A r l i t t F i n a n c i a l C o r p o r a t i o n a n d

Jo h n L o u i s A r l i t t

c o n d u c t : making misrepresentations with the intention

of affecting a trade in a security; failure to properly

designate records prepared as part of investor relations

activities; advising without registration.

s a n c t i o n : undertaking to comply with the legislation

and policies; payment of $5,000.






http://www.secinfo.com/d12Ddz.v6w.htm



NOBO: John Arlitt 12,500



Britton Int'l Inc: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BTON.PK



Britton Jewelry:

http://www.britton.com/

http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/app/ccc/search/navigate.do?language=eng&portal=1&subPo rtal=&estblmntNo=123456266869&profile=completeProfile

http://www.where.ca/vancouver/guide_listing~listing_id~2075.htm









Vancouver Financial Planners

Arlitt Financial Corp.
500 - 475 Howe Street
Vancouver BC, Canada
Phone: 604-632-3880

http://www.downtownvancouver.com/directory/vancouver_services/directory/certifie d_financial_planners/











Newsgroups: misc.invest.canada
From: "Arlitt Financial Corporation" <afcorp*axionet.com>
Subject: URGENT UPDATE!!!
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:16:15 -0700
Organization: Axion Internet Services

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



http://mailgate.supereva.com/misc/misc.invest.canada/msg07329.html


Very Good News - Share price climbing and more expected!
The following press release is the sign that now some serious action is
expected for Diamcor as its share price climbs higher.
We already sent out
an update to all our readers about the change of power control and now they
have had the chance to watch the strength in the market action. This should
only be the beginning! All the old directors have now "resigned" and been
replaced with the new Board of Directors. We have had meetings with the new
directors in our offices and can say that we were very impressed with their

business sense and their plans for Diamcor. The meeting dealt exclusively
with topics such as increasing production, underground development of the
mines, and further acquisition plans for more producing diamond mines.
Not
once did the subject of stock come up in the conversations, which shows that
their goal was not to sell stock, but increase shareholder value by building
a solid diamond producer, and from what we have learned, they have millions

of dollars at their disposal to accomplish this. No question here! Diamcor
should be a big winner for shareholders. The market is already showing
that.


Diamcor Mining Inc - News Release
Diamcor's Wolf replaces Haladin as president, CEO
Diamcor Mining Inc DMR
May 29 2002 close $.520
Thursday May 30 2002
News Release

Mr. Peter Haladin reports
Diamcor Mining has accepted the resignation of Peter Haladin as the
president and chief executive Officer of the company, and has appointed

Wayne Wolf as the president and CEO of the company in place of Mr. Haladin.
The company has also received the resignation of Bernard Bielby as a
director of the company.


Diamcor: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DMR.V

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=DMRJF.PK



********the end [Smile] ********
~BB
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Anybody have Ben Stanley's middle name or initial? I am looking at something I have dug up and his middle name or initial would help.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Ok, I guess I got that shareholder committee thing wrong...should've read it again before posting.

I'd still like to see what exactly the shareholder committee is doing now and in the future. I thought by joining the group, I would know a bit more about it.
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
well, with Tut being John - that would explain why Rufus said we should listen to 99.5% of what he has to say

. . . seriously - could this whole thing be anymore bizarre?

. . . odds are - yes.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Hey Babe, you have been as busy as a BB this morning. Thanks for the info.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Too funny...maybe it's a "sign". Morning sir!

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Weird coincidence...pulled up Yahoo and this is the headline story:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20061127/hl_hsn/kingtutwasntbludgeonedtodeathstudy


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey Matt- Feeling good?


I sure am...
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
MT....you know it will get more bizzare. Just when you think you have seen and / or heard it all with this stock, another bomb drops.


quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
well, with Tut being John - that would explain why Rufus said we should listen to 99.5% of what he has to say

. . . seriously - could this whole thing be anymore bizarre?

. . . odds are - yes.


 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Finally we have a man who is interested in our interests and the company's. Sorry to say that Rufus was more interested in his agenda and war with the SEC. He made the company and the stockholders secondary.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Still looking for Ben's middle initial... and another quick question for those that downloaded the NOBO... (I was too slow) [Frown] Can you lookfor this name. It seems a bit relevant. "Adam Jason Morand". Please let me know if this name is on there.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
bump

I'm not thinking this is going to change anything, but it was kind of a big deal that was never really explained very well.

quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
So...what does this do to Alexander's merger shares and the float?


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Let's just say I'm "Cautiously...very optimistic".

There are a lot of things that just don't add up at this point. If this was part of the plan...then yes, I feel good about this. Tut is a good man with a ton of experience in running financial companies.

If this was just Rufus being stubborn or incompetent, I'm not so good. But then that is what does not make sense to me. What the hell is / was Rufus doing?

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey Matt- Feeling good?


I sure am...


 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Still looking for Ben's middle initial... and another quick question for those that downloaded the NOBO... (I was too slow) [Frown] Can you lookfor this name. It seems a bit relevant. "Adam Jason Morand". Please let me know if this name is on there.

ADAM B WARRINER
ADAM B WARRINER
ADAM D HULL
ADAM D SIMMONS
ADAM G CROSSON
ADAM JUDSON
ADAM L MANELLA
ADAM MICHAEL ATKINSON
ADAM MICHAEL BROADUS
ADAM P PEARCE
ADAM PAUL PEMBLE
ADAM POWERS
ADAM WILLIAMS
ADAM WIRTH
ADAM ZAGLANICZNY

don't see the one you are looking for...
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
bump

I'm not thinking this is going to change anything, but it was kind of a big deal that was never really explained very well.

quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
So...what does this do to Alexander's merger shares and the float?


RESOLVED FURTHER, that John Arlitt, as sole director, be authorized to cancel shares of common stock issued to the replaced board of directors and management as he deems equitable.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Was Alexander on the Board as of yesterday?

All I'm really looking for is the real, actual float at this point.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Still looking for Ben's middle initial... and another quick question for those that downloaded the NOBO... (I was too slow) [Frown] Can you lookfor this name. It seems a bit relevant. "Adam Jason Morand". Please let me know if this name is on there.

ADAM B WARRINER
ADAM B WARRINER
ADAM D HULL
ADAM D SIMMONS
ADAM G CROSSON
ADAM JUDSON
ADAM L MANELLA
ADAM MICHAEL ATKINSON
ADAM MICHAEL BROADUS
ADAM P PEARCE
ADAM PAUL PEMBLE
ADAM POWERS
ADAM WILLIAMS
ADAM WIRTH
ADAM ZAGLANICZNY

don't see the one you are looking for...

Morand is his last name. Try that. thanks. [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Good morning everyone!! So, we have a new CEO and the people call him Tut eh? Maybe now he can officially "come out" and let us know what his business plan is to repair the damaged CSHD?

I am very busy at work this week and im having a rough time keeping up so im skimming. Ive done some reading on Arlitt and it seems he has credentials but he also seems to "move on" a lot from his previous positions. If he is a "deal maker" im good with that but he appears to be a desperate investor right now so im anxiously awaiting his burning birds and striking snakes.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Still looking for Ben's middle initial... and another quick question for those that downloaded the NOBO... (I was too slow) [Frown] Can you lookfor this name. It seems a bit relevant. "Adam Jason Morand". Please let me know if this name is on there.

ADAM B WARRINER
ADAM B WARRINER
ADAM D HULL
ADAM D SIMMONS
ADAM G CROSSON
ADAM JUDSON
ADAM L MANELLA
ADAM MICHAEL ATKINSON
ADAM MICHAEL BROADUS
ADAM P PEARCE
ADAM PAUL PEMBLE
ADAM POWERS
ADAM WILLIAMS
ADAM WIRTH
ADAM ZAGLANICZNY

don't see the one you are looking for...

Morand is his last name. Try that. thanks. [Smile]
The list is alphabetized by first name then middle, then last name.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
new2stocks , you have a PM.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Still looking for Ben's middle initial... and another quick question for those that downloaded the NOBO... (I was too slow) [Frown] Can you lookfor this name. It seems a bit relevant. "Adam Jason Morand". Please let me know if this name is on there.

ADAM B WARRINER
ADAM B WARRINER
ADAM D HULL
ADAM D SIMMONS
ADAM G CROSSON
ADAM JUDSON
ADAM L MANELLA
ADAM MICHAEL ATKINSON
ADAM MICHAEL BROADUS
ADAM P PEARCE
ADAM PAUL PEMBLE
ADAM POWERS
ADAM WILLIAMS
ADAM WIRTH
ADAM ZAGLANICZNY

don't see the one you are looking for...

Morand is his last name. Try that. thanks. [Smile]
The list is alphabetized by first name then middle, then last name.
OK sorry... man! I wish I would have down loaded that I am fishing through a ton of names here. It would be nice to know if any were shareholders. It would definitely provide me with a much needed filter.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
"Ben F. Stanley, CVSU's Chief Operating Officer"

pulled from an old 8K thanks for those who were looking... I found it.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
new2stocks , you have a PM.

you have one back
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
new2stocks you have a PM again.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
new2stocks you have a PM again.

you have an email
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
taxback- not sure if you got it yet but I believe its Ben F. Stanley


-fw
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Doc,

I agree with Jenna here. I know Tut by his first name only. We are only speculating that the person / shareholder who took over for Rufus is actually one in the same. I do know that he (John) cares for the shareholders greatly and that he was beginning to get frustrated with Rufus' lack of actions on our behalf. He felt our pain...you just have to believe me on that.

It would only make sense that it's him as we know he and his group own many, many shares. They have a huge interest in getting this thing to start moving forward once again. There are simply too many coincidences here.

I, like Jenna, hope that we are not offending anyone by coming to this conclusion. I'm sure Tut will let us know soon...when the time is right. One thing for sure...he is not denying it like he usually does when people try to guess his identity. [Wink]

I could be wrong...but I don't think so.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Jenna .... Do you think Tut is John Arlitt ? [Smile] [Wink]

Dad- I know that a lot of people know his first name, & I think that most have figured that the new CEO is Tut- I think that he would probably rather let everyone know....but I can assure you that the man that is CEO has the same name of the man that I know to be Tut...I only wish that I do not offend him by confirming that.....

I have grown to like him & I respect him very much as does St. Matt.


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
taxback- not sure if you got it yet but I believe its Ben F. Stanley


-fw

Yes I did thank you. I was looking at a John Arlitt document that had a listing for a James B. Stanley with a West Coast Holdings that I flagged. Not the same person, but I will keep digging. a ton of trails on John.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I think that is correct...sounds familiar...would it not be in the last 10-K under the payroll section?

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
taxback- not sure if you got it yet but I believe its Ben F. Stanley


-fw


 
Posted by milliam on :
 
New2...is John Arlitt on the NOBO?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
New2...is John Arlitt on the NOBO?

No, I didn't see his name on the list.
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
any takers on why we've been channeling between 0.15 and 0.20 for the past 5 days? Why don't we just keep dropping?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
new2stocks, you have a PM again.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
any takers on why we've been channeling between 0.15 and 0.20 for the past 5 days? Why don't we just keep dropping?

The price of admission is worth waiting to see how this shannanigan plays out. No point in selling now-
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
New2...is John Arlitt on the NOBO?

No, I didn't see his name on the list.
Rumor was that Tut was on the NOBO list....so maybe this isn't Tut.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
New2...is John Arlitt on the NOBO?

No, I didn't see his name on the list.
Rumor was that Tut was on the NOBO list....so maybe this isn't Tut.
It was found out that one can take their name off of the list... Privacy reasons ~

So there are most likely players that are not listed...

(I've been down this road...) -deadend.
I believe it's him...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
So in a nut shell what we have is that the shareholder teleconference call with Rufus a couple of weeks ago...was limited to a rather short conversation with Mr Harris and then he hung up...the remainder 20 or so people that were in on the call, stayed on the line and discussed the facts that they heard Mr. rufus make and they did not like the answers that they were given so those shareholdrs took a vote, made some decisions and got the ball rolling to request to the BOD that Mr. Harris be removed, it was voted and decided and now we have Mr. John Arlitt aka Tut...stepping in to get the ball rolling and things done? And all that were involved in that call had to sign a "gag" order type thing?

Well if this means that Mr. Harris is now out and the Company can move forward that is great...I hope tht Mr. Harris will be safe and all works out for him...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
In BB's notes on the previous page she has Him with the NOBO and 37000 or something like tht..BUT also..John was doing this FOR people so the shares may very well NOT be in his name...but in a company's name...

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
New2...is John Arlitt on the NOBO?

No, I didn't see his name on the list.
Rumor was that Tut was on the NOBO list....so maybe this isn't Tut.
It was found out that one can take their name off of the list... Privacy reasons ~

So there are most likely players that are not listed...

(I've been down this road...) -deadend.
I believe it's him...


 
Posted by milliam on :
 
From some of Tuts old posts, he seems to despise the NSS situation as well. Will he to fight the SEC? If so, I guess he'll at least get an attorney.

It sure would be good to know what all is going on. I thought for sure Rufus had an attorney. I don't see Rufus just letting the SEC lawsuit go....I guess there's no way he could unless they let him off.

So, will there be a hearing on Monday? I just need to know if I'll be going to work or to court.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
There is a new filing on Pacer if anyone is interested.
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
NOBO for Britton... not CSHD.

http://www.secinfo.com/d12Ddz.v6w.htm
NOBO: John Arlitt 12,500
Britton Int'l Inc: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BTON.PK
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
In BB's notes on the previous page she has Him with the NOBO and 37000 or something like tht..BUT also..John was doing this FOR people so the shares may very well NOT be in his name...but in a company's name...


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
can you fwd it to me new2? I can PM you my email.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
There is a new filing on Pacer if anyone is interested.

Very interested...can you give us the jest of it?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
is it the entering of default vs RPH? If so- then its the same as the previous request for entry of default vs cshd. They were served at separate times so they are due on different dates.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
can you fwd it to me new2? I can PM you my email.

sure

it basically says that since Rufus failed to respond to the complaint on the 24th, that the Clerk of Court is instructed to enter a default against him.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Thanks for the Pacer update.

So does this mean a hearing on the 4th would only be for CSHD and Rufus would have a later date?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OOPs..Sorry I should learn to read...
thanks for straightening that out...
BB did you copy and save the NOBO list from the CVSU site?

quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
NOBO for Britton... not CSHD.

http://www.secinfo.com/d12Ddz.v6w.htm
NOBO: John Arlitt 12,500
Britton Int'l Inc: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BTON.PK
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
In BB's notes on the previous page she has Him with the NOBO and 37000 or something like tht..BUT also..John was doing this FOR people so the shares may very well NOT be in his name...but in a company's name...



 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
OOPs..Sorry I should learn to read...
thanks for straightening that out...
BB did you copy and save the NOBO list from the CVSU site?

quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
NOBO for Britton... not CSHD.

http://www.secinfo.com/d12Ddz.v6w.htm
NOBO: John Arlitt 12,500
Britton Int'l Inc: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=BTON.PK
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
In BB's notes on the previous page she has Him with the NOBO and 37000 or something like tht..BUT also..John was doing this FOR people so the shares may very well NOT be in his name...but in a company's name...



10 I have the list if you want me to email it to you if BB doesn't have it.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
yes please New2...do you still have my email?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
yes please New2...do you still have my email?

already sent! [Smile]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
yes please New2...do you still have my email?

already sent! [Smile]
(_!_) kisser!! LMAO ~ [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
got it! thanks! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
yes please New2...do you still have my email?

already sent! [Smile]
(_!_) kisser!! LMAO ~ [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
[Razz] you are just jealous because I won't send it to you! lol [Wink]
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
nobo list download - cshd oct 30th.
http://www.savefile.com/files/288255
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by driver4t4:
nobo list download - cshd oct 30th.
http://www.savefile.com/files/288255

6digits, you should be able to view this one!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Interesting...

I was searching through the NOBO list that a little birdie sent me looking for a connection to a man named Goldman. I found two on the brokerage listing which I immediately waxed off as Goldman Sachs or subs there of and then turned my attention to the shareholder list where I found a nice little tidbit of information.

The first hit off Goldman was Goldman Sachs but the secondname attached to the account is what struck me.

GOLDMAN SACHS EXC & CLR LP E/B FAO THIRD POINT PARTNERS

Third Point Partners is a big hedgie... I wonder what their stake in this is. Here is a bit of news on TPP.

http://www.bobsguide.com/guide/news/15507.html
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Interesting...

I was searching through the NOBO list that a little birdie sent me looking for a connection to a man named Goldman. I found two on the brokerage listing which I immediately waxed off as Golman Sachs or subs there of and then turned my attention to the shareholder list where I found a nice little tidbit of information.

The first hit off Goldman was Goldman Sachs but the secondname attached to the account is what struck me.


GOLDMAN SACHS EXC & CLR LP E/B FAO THIRD POINT PARTNERS

Third Point Partners is a big hedgie... I wonder what their stake in this is. Here is a bit of news on TPP.

http://www.bobsguide.com/guide/news/15507.html

Very interesting!
 
Posted by tanks aka chevyrider on :
 
how's everyone doing this afternoon? Just happy to see us moving forward.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
*yawn*
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Tanks... is it not nap time for you yet?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Way to go driver4t4. Thanks.
I don't see Rufus or Ben or Sabra on the list.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Feeling the "love" today chevy ~
-how's things in your world? Have a good Thanksgiving?...

About time we get something going here ~
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Looks like the guys from the shareholder committee are back to posting on HSM...at least some of them. FWIW...
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
Good Morning board, I have been following this thread for a long while now. I finally decided to join because I had something to say. I am totally impressed with the DD. I truly believe that you all could find a needle in a haystack. I have no idea what the change in CEO means for the shareholders, however my gut says it is a good thing. If Mr Arrlitt is truly Tut, then things should be very interesting.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
The person who posted this on HSM is part of the shareholder committee and was party to all that transpired during the past week.

Originally Posted by TonySoprano
I will say this once-as someone who observed the entire process over the past week you are completely mistaken. Without the committee doing all the work that was done, focusing attention of the serious issues that needed to be addressed and then giving the former CEO time to respond (which he did not) there would have been no change. The large shareholders who eventually voted their shares in favor of the restructuring did so after all of this effort was complete, not before it happened. The former CEO had every chance to work with the committee, to respond to the requests, and there was nothing. PERIOD.

If you want someone to blame for this entire fiasco it lies in the lap of the former CEO. He chose to ignore the best interests of the shareholders to, like Don Quixote, flail at windmills. I believe you will see a very different company going forward with a management team committed to enhancing shareholder value not destroying it. The assets, or at least the majority of them, are real, are owned or under a management agreement with CSHD, and there is a good basic business plan. There is no reason for this stock to be at 17 cents and trading on the greys but it is going to take some effort and cooperation for the recovery to be completed. I am as absolutely certain John Arlitt is completely capable of achieving this and both moving the company forward in the right direction and restoring shareholder value as I was convinced, after the stock suspension a month ago, that the former CEO had no interest in any of this.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
Good Morning board, I have been following this thread for a long while now. I finally decided to join because I had something to say. I am totally impressed with the DD. I truly believe that you all could find a needle in a haystack. I have no idea what the change in CEO means for the shareholders, however my gut says it is a good thing. If Mr Arrlitt is truly Tut, then things should be very interesting.

Hi Spookies other 1/2! [Big Grin]

Buckle up, and keep your hands inside the windows at all times.... lol ~
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
So....I would think we will see a PR soon. Opinions anybody?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
I thought that TonySoprano guy said not to long ago that he was not going to be involved in the Committee? Did I miss something? I could of sworn I saw him make a post stating something to that effect.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I thought that TonySoprano guy said not to long ago that he was not going to be involved in the Committee? Did I miss something? I could of sworn I saw him make a post stating something to that effect.

yes Crab I remember that too.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Alternative title for this thread:

"Titanic Hires a New Deck Chair Arranger"

Sorry, I couldn't resist.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Hello Mrs. Spooky...welcome aboard...
A PR? Hard to say...you've read the happenings with this stock...but I would hope that JA would hire an attorney and PR it...as well as PRing most of the events that take place over the next few weeks...this still has a long way to go IMO...Attorney, 10K/10Q, completeing the SEC investigation, hiring an MM...and then perhaps they will start the actual business and move forward...IMO
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I thought that TonySoprano guy said not to long ago that he was not going to be involved in the Committee? Did I miss something? I could of sworn I saw him make a post stating something to that effect.

yes Crab I remember that too.
I thought after this went down he stepped down..?

-and yes Spook2, some type of PR with a sense of direction would be nice....
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Nov 21st, 2006, 09:18 AM #12387
TonySoprano
HSM Regular



No one else has dropped out. This was a personal decision. There are multiple people involved, many of whom have different views and are willing to share them and fight for what they believe. I just chose not to continue for personal reasons and have redirected my energies to other (non-stock) related activities.

FWIW
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
He had always been a constructive critic of RPH. I think he was initially disheartened with the inaction of RPH and out of frustration said no thanks to the shareholder committee. I believe he rescinded his resignation the same day probably after realizing its best to “keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.

quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I thought that TonySoprano guy said not to long ago that he was not going to be involved in the Committee? Did I miss something? I could of sworn I saw him make a post stating something to that effect.


 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
tonySoprano also posted this

As for me, I decided yesterday that the methods chosen by the CEO are so inconsistent with my principles that I would no longer be actively involved with the Shareholder's committee in an advisory role. I remain a shareholder, and have no plans to consider selling a single share until such time as the stock returns to a regular exchange AND provides something reasonably close to a valuation that is consistent with the assets.

While I cannot disclose the exact reasons for my decision due to Confidentiality constraints I would recommend that each of you read the lastest update from the Shareholder's committee and draw your own conclusions, at least for now, based on what I have posted in the past:
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
Thanks for the welcome everybody. One thing I can say for sure is the time for secret( for lack of a better term) and wishy washy statements is past. We need someone at the head of this company who is going to shoot straight from the hip. Understand, that I believed RPH, just really tired of feeling like a mushroom. I get the: Why release news if there is nothing to tell? I just feel like it is past time for things to move forward.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Some larger sells/buys going through...
but at a little higher price...
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
I don't think he said he was still involved. I am assuming he just knows people who are in the committee.

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I thought that TonySoprano guy said not to long ago that he was not going to be involved in the Committee? Did I miss something? I could of sworn I saw him make a post stating something to that effect.

yes Crab I remember that too.
I thought after this went down he stepped down..?

-and yes Spook2, some type of PR with a sense of direction would be nice....


 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
I do have a question for anybody that wants to answer: Is there a valid reason that CSHD can" release anything during regular business hours?
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
This is a post from HSM, when I read the PR last night I noticed the same thing. Rufus stated in one of the SPR interviews that he didn't use forward looking statments, because what he PR'd was not forward looking, but that it had already taken place. Thoughts anyone?

Pa|eRider
HSM Newbie




Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 85 I haven't seen were anyone has posted this. First time in a PR that I have seen a safe harbor statement.

Conversion Solutions Holding Corp. Safe Harbor Statement

Information provided in this press release may contain statements relating to current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based upon management's current estimates and projections of future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the date hereof, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.
__________________
Revelation 6:8
And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him.
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
Will we hear RPH on SPR ? That's what he did the last time he left the Company.
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
I do have a question for anybody that wants to answer: Is there a valid reason that CSHD can" release anything during regular business hours?

I'm assuming that you meant, "can't release". Rufus stated that they release things after hours, so that nobody could label it a "pump-n-dump". That is the only logical reason I've heard. GLTY [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Cassity, Rufus did say once in an interview that a safe harbor statement is not necessary if the company is only releasing "truthful" information. I guess our new leadership feels different? I think safe harbor agreements are procedure for most companies, im not sure why "we" chose not to use them.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
RE: Safe Harbor Statement

I think it should have been on there to begin with, Rufus and doing things "his way" is what got us stuck in this mess IMO ~

Go by the book I say...

John knows the walk because he is walking it with his company, I for one am glad John's not building another "Straw man" that'll be picked apart ~

-my .02 cents ~
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
From JesusPower about Tony Soprano...earlier today:

Actually, he backed out b/c of the crap that was being said and not done on one side, but when we decided to take matters into our own hands, he was back to lend support.
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
RE: Safe Harbor Statement

I think it should have been on there to begin with, Rufus and doing things "his way" is what got us stuck in this mess IMO ~

Go by the book I say...

John knows the walk because he is walking it with his company, I for one am glad John's not building another "Straw man" that'll be picked apart ~

-my .02 cents ~

[Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
I just bought more shares and I was charged the broker assisted rate. I called to tell them I thought they were mistaken and that I should only be paying the commission of $7 + 1/2% of the principal. They told me that is was not on the internet restricted list so therefore I was not eligible for the price. I told them I wasn't able to buy online so therefore they were restricting it... and they said I was wrong. This was from the manager of my scottrade. Am I wrong here... or should I call a corporate office or something. Anyone have a corporate number. Thanks
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
So is it confirmed that the CEO is tut or not?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
looks that way... [Smile]
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
-
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
So is it confirmed that the CEO is tut or not?

That is what it seems to be!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Clay...i am pretty sure that it is up to each broker as to how these shares are brought...
IF you tried to place an order on line and a pop up showed up saying to call the broker to place the order? Sounds like it was an internet restricted purchase...so you would be right..Call the main office and put your foot down! IMO
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Anything new in PACER today?
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
This is what shows up online

Unable to enter the order because a current Bid or Ask is not found for the symbol entered. Please contact your local branch office to place this trade.

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Clay...i am pretty sure that it is up to each broker as to how these shares are brought...
IF you tried to place an order on line and a pop up showed up saying to call the broker to place the order? Sounds like it was an internet restricted purchase...so you would be right..Call the main office and put your foot down! IMO


 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Anything new in PACER today?

yes there was a new filing that the CLerk of Courts is instructed to file the default on RPH for not responding.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So, whats the current status with brokers and electronic purchases? Are some allowing purchases online while others are not? Are all making you call in the orders? We are almost down to where i originally bought in, it might be another buying opportunity! LOL
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Here is my concern with John Arlitt...

is it just me or why did we bring another businessman in here with not such a clean past? He was an investors relations guy who did nothing for the stocks he was involved in. He was CEO of a penny stock. What has this guy done? I don't think this was such a good move.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
A perfect example of why consistency is not always a noble quality. I could understand his plan if this was a criminal matter. He could be found not guilty of criminal charges in absentia. However, absentia in a civil matter is essentially an admission of guilt or stupidity. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Anything new in PACER today?

yes there was a new filing that the CLerk of Courts is instructed to file the default on RPH for not responding.

 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
A perfect example of why consistency is not always a noble quality. I could understand his plan if this was a criminal matter. He could be found not guilty of criminal charges in absentia. However, absentia in a civil matter is essentially an admission of guilt or stupidity. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Anything new in PACER today?

yes there was a new filing that the CLerk of Courts is instructed to file the default on RPH for not responding.

So since no response for RPH...and we are goign to default...what happens now [Frown]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Is Rufus a Dufus after all?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Here is my concern with John Arlitt...

is it just me or why did we bring another businessman in here with not such a clean past? He was an investors relations guy who did nothing for the stocks he was involved in. He was CEO of a penny stock. What has this guy done? I don't think this was such a good move.

22 you don't think much of any move.

Pehaps we should've let Rufus continue with no attorney. would that have been a good move.

Point being that this is the best move at this juncture.

I personally think its a positive step in the right direction
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Whatever happens to Rufus now won't matter. It is now up to our new CEO to respond on behalf of the company.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://www.hot stockmarket.com/forums/showpost.php?p=980370&postcount=1158
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
read that link!
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Imagine being in flight at 35,000 feet and the captain and co-pilot blow their brains out (RPH). The flight attendant (shareholder committee) asks if anyone on board knows anything about flying a commercial airliner. A couple people volunteer claiming they have a working knowledge and are willing to assist. As we begin to nosedive into SEC receivership I really don’t think it’s the ideal time to do backgrounds check on the volunteer pilots.

Does this situation bring me comfort? Not really! Are the alternatives any better? Definitely not! Let’s just hope that when we overhear them talk about the rudder they know its airplane and not a boat.
[Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Here is my concern with John Arlitt...

is it just me or why did we bring another businessman in here with not such a clean past? He was an investors relations guy who did nothing for the stocks he was involved in. He was CEO of a penny stock. What has this guy done? I don't think this was such a good move.


 
Posted by CapitalGains on :
 
Hi all. I am new to the board and saw that a new CEO was appointed. My Dad's stock jumped up really high when AEP got a new CEO. I think I might get some shares. What do you guys think?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Maybe that person should invest in Microsoft's spell check software and maybe a speech class or two instead of companies like this. I mean if that poster is going to come out with a statement like that, shouldn't he try to make it look as professional as something like that should. Seriously, he made a bunch of claims...people aren't gonna take something like that seriously presented that way.

Why on earth would he use the term "koolaid" if he was one of the ones in from the beginning? The passage doesn't make a whole lot of sense...just like everything else involved here...

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
read that link!


 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Sounds a little bit like a 3:00 a.m. infomercial scheme. AHS.V now trading at a whopping 2 cents.

TREATMENT FOR WORLD'S MAJOR MEDICAL CRISIS WITH DOCUMENTED PROOF CAN TURN THIS COMPANUY BIGGER THAN PHISOR (WITH VIAGRA)
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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
CapitalGains? Read your 3 posts...be careful...AND? don't play with money that you care to keep...you may never get it back...
GLTY!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
Maybe that person should invest in Microsoft's spell check software and maybe a speech class or two instead of companies like this...

Why on earth would he use the term "koolaid" if he was one of the ones in from the beginning? The whole thing doesn't make a whole lot of sense...just like everything else involved here...

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
read that link!


This looks like the letter that came from that fella from CA. It was e-mailed to me back in late august I believe.

Anyone remember that. I might still have it.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
So....I would think we will see a PR soon. Opinions anybody?

Ms Spookyswife-

This stock paid out last week. It sold for 105.00 a share....he didn't tell you?

Wheres he at?

just kidding
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
LMAO the committee that rufus let exist has removed him...?? ahahahaha good riddance...anyway anyone think we are bottomed or not? im iffy about adding here given this could still have time to drop what do u all think?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I did..and I am not sure what to think...he is stepping in a little late with his urgent message...
Like Crab said...If he has all this $ he really should spend a little on some spell check or classes of some sort...

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
read that link!


 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I did..and I am not sure what to think...he is stepping in a little late with his urgent message...
Like Crab said...If he has all this $ he really should spend a little on some spell check or classes of some sort...

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
read that link!


the guy sounds like he is a panic for some reason...Ben and Rufus are no longer with the company, so what's the point of his urgency?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CapitalGains:
Hi all. I am new to the board and saw that a new CEO was appointed. My Dad's stock jumped up really high when AEP got a new CEO. I think I might get some shares. What do you guys think?

AEP sounds like an AMEX issue, yes?

This one is a round-trip grey-sheet...
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
It's written in the same manner as "uber awesome stock tip" emails that get sent out...just in the reverse, key words incorrectly spelled and all...
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
LMAO the committee that rufus let exist has removed him...?? ahahahaha good riddance...anyway anyone think we are bottomed or not? im iffy about adding here given this could still have time to drop what do u all think?

My thoughts are this.

I am adding enough but not too much. LOL

We have a lot of fighting to do.

I am prepared to lose it all.

If it so happens to go back up to $2 then what I bought now I will sell and keep the original shares.

I will have more than made up for the capital in CSHD.

If I lose it all then so be it. I made the decision.
 
Posted by CapitalGains on :
 
Thank you 10of13. I don't have much to use really. I told my Dad I was considering trying to make money with stocks because I won my class competition for 1st place and he about had a heart attack. He likes Harley Davidson, Disney, AEP, Home Depot and other big stocks like that. They are too much money for me.
But he did make like 7 dollars a share when AEP got a new CEO.
 
Posted by CapitalGains on :
 
Hi T e x. I'm not sure but I can ask him when he gets home. I do know its name is American Electric Public. He said Warren Buffett might buy some of it.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CapitalGains:
Hi T e x. I'm not sure but I can ask him when he gets home. I do know its name is American Electric Public. He said Warren Buffett might buy some of it.

ya, okay...

Ask him to explain grey sheets, too.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CapitalGains:
Thank you 10of13. I don't have much to use really. I told my Dad I was considering trying to make money with stocks because I won my class competition for 1st place and he about had a heart attack. He likes Harley Davidson, Disney, AEP, Home Depot and other big stocks like that. They are too much money for me.
But he did make like 7 dollars a share when AEP got a new CEO.

PAPERTRADE first my friend IMO ~

-and welcome!

Come up with a "system"

Some like news plays, some like earnings and some freaks like charts... [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

And, you can play the big stocks if you want, just do it with stock options...

But paper-trade first (written down pretend buy ins and outs) then sharpen your blade till you know just what to look for...

GL!!
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
I don't care what anyone say's, look at how the basher's are going apes--t. Things have been very quiet on all the boards and suddenly, one press release and we have an array of new posters on every board(no offense capitalgains). I'm still here for the ride and we'll just have to wait and see what happens. GLTA
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
CapitalGains
IF anyone suggests that you buy a stock? Be very careful to follow their words...
here in the penny stock market? VERY few if any are worth putting your money in and leaving it...it's more of a game..buy at the low and sell at a high...DO NOT consider it INVESTING...it's different...
i don't know how much $ you are playing with...BUT I am not sure that I would suggest that you buy this one...
I hope it goes higher..BUT it is a HUGE gamble at this time...much like buying a lottery ticket...

BEFORE you get anything...read some posts...folow along a little on different stocks...watch how they react to news or how they play with volume...Don't just jump in and loose your money...AND? NEVER fall for the Hype on these boards...or any other message board...
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
oops!
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
yea me2 surfer...im only willing to put up a few hundred more into this dog...if i lose it...then at least i know i went with my gut...we technically hae a great stock..the shareprice is all rufies fault...i want the committee to at least tell us (since they are so connected to the company) ive seen the bonds online and have no doubt they exist...i think whats ghoing on now with the courts and the lagging time is all rufies fault again..this couldve been wrapped up quicker if only rufie went into the court hearing with representation..or had representation at any time after that which he didnt....its so funny cuz i was always on hsm saying how ridiculous this whole rufus thing was...but everyone was on his side saying "its the plan" etc etc...until slowly it got uglier and people started realizing this wouldve been a much quicker process given he had a friggin lawyer...well anyway, ill probably add more next week...i want to see how this week plays out
 
Posted by CapitalGains on :
 
Thank you guys for your help. I will try paper trading some more. I still don't understand alot of things so I need practice.

I only have 200 dollars but I am going to get a job real soon.

I will paper buy 250 shares now for $45.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Hey BB where are the pompoms????


We are at .20
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
CapitalGains read that letter on the link at the bottom of the last page. Thats just a small sample of the type of crap that there is in penny stocks. Hard to imagine that guy is smart enough to earn a dime.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
up to 20 cents. Whats happening??? This baby fixing to move on back up???

Rule #1 CapitalGains - ALWAYS PROTECT your CAPITAL!!! Without this you have nothing to work with.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
up to 20 cents. Whats happening??? This baby fixing to move on back up???

Rule #1 CapitalGains - ALWAYS PROTECT your CAPITAL!!! Without this you have nothing to work with.

lol dont count on it...this is just NEW CEO buying.. nowq if we see .25 .30 then something is definately going on =)
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CapitalGains:
Thank you guys for your help. I will try paper trading some more. I still don't understand alot of things so I need practice.

I only have 200 dollars but I am going to get a job real soon.

I will paper buy 250 shares now for $45.

hint...

Trade SEVERAL stocks on paper..

Trade several different ways on paper.

Taste them all, see what you like ~

It's free!! have fun!! [Big Grin]

Check out the PAIM thread... chart with explainations on why it's doing so well today [selflessPLUG!] [Big Grin]

Really, learn the charts and indicators with at least one of your paper trades, you'll know when to buy and when to sell then... -no stress [Smile]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I would be interested in hearing the opinion on the validity of the bonds from the present mgmt. Much more than that letter from dbkiller that looks like it was put together by an imbecile.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I think capitalgains is buying up all these shares at .20!!!!!


J/K welcome capital.

I wish I would of asked more questions when I started!

No question is too dumb. Its the unquestioned you will learn the hard way.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I would be interested in hearing the opinion on the validity of the bonds from the present mgmt. Much more than that letter from dbkiller that looks like it was put together by an imbecile.

yes me2..rather than having to "dig up" things online which have no credibility...i want a pr stating everything that is true...i dont see why releasing TRUE info would be bad fo CSHD...as long as they arent putting out false information u know? well i dunno about all this legal stuff...i myself am confused on the lack of info being released by the company
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I would be interested in hearing the opinion on the validity of the bonds from the present mgmt. Much more than that letter from dbkiller that looks like it was put together by an imbecile.

yes me2..rather than having to "dig up" things online which have no credibility...i want a pr stating everything that is true...i dont see why releasing TRUE info would be bad fo CSHD...as long as they arent putting out false information u know? well i dunno about all this legal stuff...i myself am confused on the lack of info being released by the company
We will see more to be sure.

Give the guy a day or two to get his feet wet.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
lol surfer statements like yours make me wanna buy more right away...but i know better than that ; )
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
TexasMoney
Member


Member Rated:
posted November 28, 2006 14:41
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Imagine being in flight at 35,000 feet and the captain and co-pilot blow their brains out (RPH). The flight attendant (shareholder committee) asks if anyone on board knows anything about flying a commercial airliner. A couple people volunteer claiming they have a working knowledge and are willing to assist. As we begin to nosedive into SEC receivership I really don’t think it’s the ideal time to do backgrounds check on the volunteer pilots.

Does this situation bring me comfort? Not really! Are the alternatives any better? Definitely not! Let’s just hope that when we overhear them talk about the rudder they know its airplane and not a boat.
-------------------------------------------------
IMO, this is not the right way to view this. If you bring on board a person who has a questionable past (aka RPH and you see what we got) then it stands to reason things won't be improving much. You get what you pay for. Finding a person that has background of not having to pay fines to take control of a legitimate corporation even after that corporation has nearly failed should be a real possibility.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya I think our shareholder committee should press for more information from the company for us. I would tell them, but don't know where they are hiding and I have'nt heard of anyone close to them suggesting such a thing.??????????? [Mad]


quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I would be interested in hearing the opinion on the validity of the bonds from the present mgmt. Much more than that letter from dbkiller that looks like it was put together by an imbecile.

yes me2..rather than having to "dig up" things online which have no credibility...i want a pr stating everything that is true...i dont see why releasing TRUE info would be bad fo CSHD...as long as they arent putting out false information u know? well i dunno about all this legal stuff...i myself am confused on the lack of info being released by the company

 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
maybe a very strong connection between arlitt and tut. here is a post from hsm.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TallRob
...


Wanna see something interesting? Apparently john arlitt posted as jarlitt*axioxnet.com. And if you search for jarlitt and tutenkamen you get: *************. google.com/groups/sear...en&qt_s=Search
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
700k at .1557 [Eek!]

Rufus is dumping! [Razz]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
700,000 * .1557

Thats a lot of shares at a really odd number.

WTF?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
jeese...I thought they were gonna break that one up for me...freakin Etrade... [Razz]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
whoa did you see that 700,000 trade?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
700k at .1557 [Eek!]

$108,990.......... [Eek!]
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
up to 20 cents. Whats happening??? This baby fixing to move on back up???

Rule #1 CapitalGains - ALWAYS PROTECT your CAPITAL!!! Without this you have nothing to work with.

lol dont count on it...this is just NEW CEO buying.. nowq if we see .25 .30 then something is definately going on =)
Ahh, well. It was nice seeing it at .20 and how fast it got there. I just still don't see how the MM's and SEC let this trade when no one can see a bid or ask......
With Ruffy Duffy gone now I'm thinking we won't have diarrhea of the mouth from him NO more, which is a blessing!!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
jeese...I thought they were gonna break that buy up for me...freakin Etrade...

Classic!! LOL
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
whats the record for the highest volume ever on the grey sheets???
 
Posted by CapitalGains on :
 
Thanks Chart walker. I also got a million shares of DDSI (on paper) cause they had good news and I've never had a million anything hehe.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Check this out...we might have some work to do...connecting dots.

Today, 02:16 PM #1328

TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 61

Do not listen to the bashers. They are getting desperate. Their time is up. There is a higher power involved that you will not know about. Even your wildest theories will seem like child's play compared to what is actually happening. Concentrate on the green...

Connect the dots. Where are the bonds, ucc notes coming from??? Euroclear is a dead giveaway. Concentrate on the last 10k and what those assets were. Connect RICO. Connect to what is happening now in the market. Connect new trading platforms and our "credits". Connect Rufus' political connections. DD the judge. Let's see if you can find out who is pulling the strings. You won't. Read the shc letters and pay attention to what Rufus is saying and connect the dots. You are fine...in the end counting the numbers is what matters most. will you even remember how you got there?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------

OK...here is what I find extremely interesting. Check out the Participants section. No way was it Rufus and/or CSHD which met ALL 4 requirements. Kind of lends credibility to the puppet theory discussed earlier.

Euroclear

Euroclear is an independent Brussels, Belgium-based financial services company that specializes in the clearing and settlement of securities. It was founded in 1971 as part of J.P. Morgan & Co. Euroclear is the world's premier settlement system for domestic and international securities transactions, covering bonds, equities, and investment funds.

Market-owned and market-governed, Euroclear provides securities services to major financial institutions located in more than 80 countries.

In addition to its role as a leading International Central Securities Depository (ICSD), Euroclear also acts as the Central Securities Depository (CSD) for Dutch, French, Irish, and UK securities. CIK, the CSD of Belgium, joined the group in January 2006 and was renamed Euroclear Belgium.

The Euroclear System is operated by Euroclear Bank SA, a Belgian credit institution with its registered office in Brussels, Belgium.

Euroclear is the largest international bonds central securities depository in the world.

Participants

The Euroclear System has about 2,000 participants from more than 80 different countries. Most are banks, broker-dealers, and other institutions professionally engaged in managing new issues of securities, market-making, trading, or holding the variety of securities accepted by the System.

Applicants must meet four criteria to be admitted:

– adequate financial resources;
– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

In addition, internal anti-money laundering measures of the applicant institution are considered prior to any admission.

Supervision

Incorporated in Belgium, Euroclear Bank is subject to the supervision of the Belgian Banking and Finance Commission (BFC). In accordance with Article 8 of its Organic Law, the National Bank of Belgium (NBB) is in charge of the oversight of the Euroclear System.

Supervisors and overseers work in close cooperation in the implementation of their respective responsibilities at Euroclear Bank. Euroclear plc is also authorised as a service company by the Financial Services Authority in the United Kingdom.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
700k at .1557 [Eek!]

$108,990.......... [Eek!]
i cant imagine that being someone taking a loss right? thats so crazy...then again who could buy at .15 hmmmmmmm
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Was it a buy or a sell? Do we know?

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
whoa did you see that 700,000 trade?


 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Hey, didn't JesusPower have 700K+ shares...lol
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
IT has to be BOTH on the greys...
or so is the way it is suppose to be...but who the hell knows anymore!LOL

quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Was it a buy or a sell? Do we know?

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
whoa did you see that 700,000 trade?



 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Someone sold so someone had to buy. Either way someone is stocking up.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Was it a buy or a sell? Do we know?

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
whoa did you see that 700,000 trade?


Well if someone bought it, someone had to sell it, or the other way around? right?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
what an exciting 1 and ahalf hours i just experienced...new CEO up 25% wow....big money lol..take it easy everyone..
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
You would think, but maybe not in the shorts world. I just noticed the volume...think the shorts are getting scared now that John Arlitt has taken over?

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Was it a buy or a sell? Do we know?

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
whoa did you see that 700,000 trade?


Well if someone bought it, someone had to sell it, or the other way around? right?

 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
This is what I'm saying! Any chance the shorts are just flipping shares?

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
IT has to be BOTH on the greys...
or so is the way it is suppose to be...but who the hell knows anymore!LOL

quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Was it a buy or a sell? Do we know?

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
whoa did you see that 700,000 trade?




 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
So what chapter are we in now?

Are we close to Chapter 11 - so we can get this over with soon?

Maybe we'll see CSHDQ?
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
Don't the share quantities and pps need to match exactly for trading on the greys? I have a buy order in for 3,000 at .16 but no takers and then someone comes along with 700,000 shares at .1557, sounds ike they knew what numbers to ask for?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CapitalGains:
Thanks Chart walker. I also got a million shares of DDSI (on paper) cause they had good news and I've never had a million anything hehe.

Hey!

I passed on buying PYPR when it was .0001 (bought in later) 10 months later it's at .008!

Every $500 would have turned into $40,000.00

Again, use the indicators to see accumulating going on. Don't forgot to paper trade LONG and SHORT term trades.

CSHD COULD get a MM to sign on and we could jump to $2 a share...
So use whatever you can dream up to put you in places with the greatest probable payoff ~


GL!!
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Up almost a nickel. I'll take it hoping for that miracle of many more to come!!!

Who has actually purchased shares since the beginning of this fiasco? I have heard some saying they have and some saying they can't. I am as curious as a cat to know!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Someone sold so someone had to buy. Either way someone is stocking up.

Or someone sold... while someone else covered their short. [Frown]

Oh well... wasn't me [Big Grin] As for the puppet senario. There is NO doubt in my mind that this has always been the case. We have been looking for that connection since the beginning. Hence the long discussions and questions surrounding William Tays involvement. The hours spent on the political contributions web sites looking for the D.C. link.

I will say I just stumbled across another billionaire with strong ties to Bill Cliinton while looking into John Arlitt. It also ties into the health and wellness article someone posted a page or to back.
Anyone ever heard of Mr. Don Grenough the co-founder of Herbal Life. Well appearantly he was added to the BOD of NRG Entertainment while John Arlitt was doing Investor Relations. The Name and Ticker eventually changed to Trimimage and is run by a HOLDINGS company called Aspirion.

Anyway it is a shame I was not able to find anything on this John Arlitt guy... HA! Here are the links.

Arlitt with NRG Entertainment (scroll to bottom)
http://www.businesswire.com/cgi-bin/cb_headline.cgi?&story_file=bw.082903/232415 374&directory=/google&header_file=header.htm&footer_file

Enter Herbal Life Co-founder Don G. (no date on this)
http://www.dealmemo.com/Music/NRG%20Entertainment%20Inc.htm

Here is the eventual name change.
http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2004_August_30/ai_n6172872

Links to the new companies.
http://www.trimimage.com
http://www.aspirion.com/
 
Posted by CapitalGains on :
 
Chart walker thats alot of money for $500! If I could hit one of those maybe my Dad wouldn't get so upset when I mention it anymore.
I am up $5 on my $45 investment now. Thats 9% [Smile] .
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
You have to enter in your commision...what broker are you going to use? what is their charge to trade? Now deduct that from the $5 that you are up? AND you still have to deduct the charge for the sell...
just please be careful...
I'm sending you a PM with some info...do some reading OK? and also there is a board called investing topics for newbies...go looking around in it..LOTs of good info there...

quote:
Originally posted by CapitalGains:
Chart walker thats alot of money for $500! If I could hit one of those maybe my Dad wouldn't get so upset when I mention it anymore.
I am up $5 on my $45 investment now. Thats 9% [Smile] .


 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
Remember yesterday's EOD trade of 800,000 shares...another 11PM PR to follow tonight?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by driver4t4:
maybe a very strong connection between arlitt and tut. here is a post from hsm.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TallRob
...


Wanna see something interesting? Apparently john arlitt posted as jarlitt*axioxnet.com. And if you search for jarlitt and tutenkamen you get: *************. google.com/groups/sear...en&qt_s=Search

Interesting.... If you check the link I just posted for John Arlitt investor relations to NRG Entertainment you will find another axionet.com email address for John... afcorp*axionet.com

interesting very interesting... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, ive been relatively "quiet" but i have a question and im hoping someone can answer it.....

As a company we decided to create a shareholder committee. We were asked to cast a vote for our nominations so some of us did. Then, apparently that vote was tossed out and 10 members were picked based on share count...or maybe it was their fancy bulletin board screen names, i dont know. Anyway, my question.....Why were 10 people assigned to this committee as the "voice of the shareholders" yet none of them can communicate with the shareholders?

I understand that majority shareholders can carry weight when it comes to these things but give me a friggin break.....id like to know WHO these people are that are my "voice".

Id also like to know how it is that after 5 months i know less now about the company I bought shares in than the day i bought the friggin shares?!?! We know NOTHING about our company or the companies business plan. How does that make ya'all feel? [Smile]
 
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Posted by milliam on :
 
Just got off the phone with Alana Black. Very professional and nice to deal with as always.

As far as she knows, there is not a court hearing on Monday the 4th. I asked about the default and what was going to happen. She said its kind of tricky and that Rule 55 states the course of action. It sounded like a defendant can even come in after the default has been ruled and ask for it to be removed.

I told her I thought the 4th was a deadline for CSHD and that after that the judge would rule for the default. She said that was not the case and that there is not a set date that the judge would rule for default. She did say that CSHD is late with their reply, but I guess we've already been late all along.

She said the first step was for CSHD to get a lawyer and that we have yet to do so.

Hopefully John will get this thing going by hiring a lawyer and taking care of this problem.
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Sick just sick! But the only thing that has changed is our ceo over and over LOL oh... j/k once the sec walks away from this stock we will be okay.... [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Good job Milliam...thanks!
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Just got off the phone with Alana Black. Very professional and nice to deal with as always.

As far as she knows, there is not a court hearing on Monday the 4th. I asked about the default and what was going to happen. She said its kind of tricky and that Rule 55 states the course of action. It sounded like a defendant can even come in after the default has been ruled and ask for it to be removed.

I told her I thought the 4th was a deadline for CSHD and that after that the judge would rule for the default. She said that was not the case and that there is not a set date that the judge would rule for default. She did say that CSHD is late with their reply, but I guess we've already been late all along.

She said the first step was for CSHD to get a lawyer and that we have yet to do so.

Hopefully John will get this thing going by hiring a lawyer and taking care of this problem.


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
She is so helpful- sharing with the shareholders [Eek!]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Catia..I agree totally. It wouldn't be too hard for them to post the names of the 10 members on their website at least. As for how they were picked, I think James might have used the top 10 people that had been voted for.

Hopefully we'll be getting some info soon!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Catia..I agree totally. It wouldn't be too hard for them to post the names of the 10 members on their website at least. As for how they were picked, I think James might have used the top 10 people that had been voted for.

Hopefully we'll be getting some info soon!

Well, i think you may be right...the top 10 were probably used. But, as some of us pointed out, how did we vote for 10 people without knowing who they are or MOST importantly how many shares they hold. I admit, i voted and i did it blindly. These people could be anyone. For all we know we voted for Timothy Miles using a different screen name over at HSM. Id love to hear the meeting minutes. [Smile]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I just had a thought...Alana says that the first thing that has to happen is for CSHD to get an attorney. I wonder if the court could not do anything against CSHD because we didn't have an attorney. I wonder if Rufus was buying time by not getting one.

Just thinking...I'll stop now [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I just had a thought...Alana says that the first thing that has to happen is for CSHD to get an attorney. I wonder if the court could not do anything against CSHD because we didn't have an attorney. I wonder if Rufus was buying time by not getting one.

Just thinking...I'll stop now [Big Grin] .

Hmmm, i never had that thought...thats not a bad guess really. I mean it is his MO to buy time. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
I had a buy placed for .18 today and it filled at .17. Same thing could have happened with the .1557. Someone put there sell in at that and someone had a buy in for say .16 and it filled at .1557.

Just a guess though.

quote:
Originally posted by NEL:
Don't the share quantities and pps need to match exactly for trading on the greys? I have a buy order in for 3,000 at .16 but no takers and then someone comes along with 700,000 shares at .1557, sounds ike they knew what numbers to ask for?


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I am on the same page Catia- I am not saying we are dealing with some wrong-doings here but lets just call it what it is.

We didn't vote for who was designated reps of the shareholders of this stock. You can't have your only means of communicating any type of shareholder event be via internet message boards!

I signed up for the committee awhile back- received confirmation email. All was well.... how or why or what drove the chosen ones I have no idea. Maybe they all like star wars? Its the internet- who knows......

I assume it was the good-ol-boy network. Some of them were original investors in FHAL. Do I think something terrible happened? No. Its not like I can put any time into running this show.

Bottom line of my point is this- lets all not call it a shareholder vote or a committee with reprentives voted for by joe-blow the shareholder.

Since they marketed the vote via message boards and online forums (no PR or kit from the company) it was a crapshoot anyway.

If someones internet service at home was off for a day you would have missed your chance to register and vote and pick a new CEO due to the 20 pages of nonsense you missed on HSM.

I have no problems with the good ol boy network. Been operating in it for awhile now. Just don't want us to call it what its not!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Best explanation for the .1557 transaction is that it was a couple (or a bunch) or trades lumped into one. The odd number of .1557 comes from the averaging of all of the amounts.
 
Posted by CapitalGains on :
 
I'm going to play some basketball with some friends and then get my homework done for school tommorrow. I will see you guys.

Thank you for your help and all the suggestions. Goodnight.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I agree...but buying time for what? It seems as if Rufus has been "buying time" since before the 10-k was filed. Remember they kept telling us that they were "doing what's in the best interest of the shareholders". This part of the puzzle is really bugging me.


quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I just had a thought...Alana says that the first thing that has to happen is for CSHD to get an attorney. I wonder if the court could not do anything against CSHD because we didn't have an attorney. I wonder if Rufus was buying time by not getting one.

Just thinking...I'll stop now [Big Grin] .


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
The comittee has alot of explaining to do IMO. I know it was "thrown" together, but the lack of communication, seems a bit atypical and possibly illegal. If support was given as stated.

"On November 27, 2006, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. shareholders, representing 51+% of the eligible voting shares of the Company, based on a unanimous recommendation from the CSHD Shareholder Committee, have voted and agreed to appoint Mr. John Arlitt as Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of Conversion Solutions Holding Corp."

Then I hope each and every one of you Shareholder comittee members got an annoucement of the pending vote with time frame of abstintion, opportunity to vote, and recieved official results of that vote. Or it would appear that your hap-hazardously appointed shareholder comitte officials took your registration/share count and voted them for you, to reach a "unanimous" decision in support.

Additionally, I hope they didn't use your shares in the 51+% and use your registration as a signature. Naaaw they wouldn't do that... that would be highly illegal, I am sure they had MA support, I mean they had contact with Randy Mosley, they must have had contact with MA. Right?
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
My opinion is that if it became blatantly obvious that the company wouldn’t protect its shareholders then the Federal Judge would step in and permit the SEC to do so by way of receivership. I firmly believe we are on the threshold of SEC receivership and last night’s press release only validates my opinion.

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I just had a thought...Alana says that the first thing that has to happen is for CSHD to get an attorney. I wonder if the court could not do anything against CSHD because we didn't have an attorney. I wonder if Rufus was buying time by not getting one.

Just thinking...I'll stop now [Big Grin] .


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I don't like your predictions TexasMoney... I can't remember if it was you or Tex that brought up the suspension the day before it happened...

[Big Grin]

When is the sky falling Chiken Little? I gotta go home and do Henny Penny so I die with a smile on my face. HA HA!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
My opinion is that if it became blatantly obvious that the company wouldn’t protect its shareholders then the Federal Judge would step in and permit the SEC to do so by way of receivership. I firmly believe we are on the threshold of SEC receivership and last night’s press release only validates my opinion.

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I just had a thought...Alana says that the first thing that has to happen is for CSHD to get an attorney. I wonder if the court could not do anything against CSHD because we didn't have an attorney. I wonder if Rufus was buying time by not getting one.

Just thinking...I'll stop now [Big Grin] .


I disagree Texas.

If the bonds are ours and they are hypothecated I highly disagree.

It will come down to $$$$$. If its there we are golden.

If not then hello SEC.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I don't like your predictions TexasMoney... I can't remember if it was you or Tex that brought up the suspension the day before it happened...

[Big Grin]

When is the sky falling Chiken Little? I gotta go home and do Henny Penny so I die with a smile on my face. HA HA!!

It was TEX... makes you wonder.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
She said the first step was for CSHD to get a lawyer and that we have yet to do so.

Milliam ~ Did you ask her when the SEC expects to "proclaim victory" and prove the bonds are not real based on any evidence they have discovered from ALL their indepth depositions?

Or maybe they have decided they can't prove the bonds are fake but are just hoping that this Default strategy plays out.

Tic toc... goes the clock and time is money. Next time you talk to her. Tell her to get to work. I want true justice, right or wrong this thing should be cut and dried.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
My opinion is that if it became blatantly obvious that the company wouldn’t protect its shareholders then the Federal Judge would step in and permit the SEC to do so by way of receivership. I firmly believe we are on the threshold of SEC receivership and last night’s press release only validates my opinion.

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I just had a thought...Alana says that the first thing that has to happen is for CSHD to get an attorney. I wonder if the court could not do anything against CSHD because we didn't have an attorney. I wonder if Rufus was buying time by not getting one.

Just thinking...I'll stop now [Big Grin] .


I disagree Texas.

If the bonds are ours and they are hypothecated I highly disagree.

It will come down to $$$$$. If its there we are golden.

If not then hello SEC.

I use the word “threshold” purposely. We obviously haven’t crossed it but I firmly believe our toes are on it. If RPH continued down the path of absentia I don’t see what other alternative the Court would have.

If the company refused to defend its shareholders I believe the Judge would be obligated to do so. [Eek!]
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
"IF" the bonds were ours this would have been setteled LONG ago, therefore i beleive we DO NOT own the bonds ( or we hold a MUTCH smaller stake in them than we were told }
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Man it is a dirty world out there look at these two litigations filed today at the SEC.

One a man stripped clean of his stolen funds, stored on foreign soil.

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2006/lr19926.htm

And this one where the crook died, and they imediately go after his wife/beneficiary. Honestly after watching this SEC Litigation page for a month, I am convinced that this would be an awesome reality show. Like a global version of COPS. [Big Grin]
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2006/lr19925.htm
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"IF" the bonds were ours this would have been setteled LONG ago, therefore i beleive we DO NOT own the bonds ( or we hold a MUTCH smaller stake in them than we were told }

There is no "IF" in the "ownership", just in the "percentage of ownership" based on the contracts and how they read. The certificates of ownership however do not specify any percentages.

But you are right this should be settled by now, "IF" it just wasn't for those darn egos, and careers at stake I am sure it would be. The SEC does not give up, and it does not lose. At least not "officially". [Smile]
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Actually, it’s just the opposite. The fact we are still around tells you that the SEC has not proven fraud. The SEC may continue with its fraud claim since there isn’t sufficient proof, in their mind, to substantiate the bond ownership claim. But, since this is a civil matter the burden of proof rests with the defense and therein lies the root of our problem. WE CANNOT OR WILL NOT DEFEND OURSELVES! [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"IF" the bonds were ours this would have been setteled LONG ago, therefore i beleive we DO NOT own the bonds ( or we hold a MUTCH smaller stake in them than we were told }


 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Actually, it’s just the opposite. The fact we are still around tells you that the SEC has not proven fraud. The SEC may continue with its fraud claim since there isn’t sufficient proof, in their mind, to substantiate the bond ownership claim. But, since this is a civil matter the burden of proof rests with the defense and therein lies the root of our problem. WE CANNOT OR WILL NOT DEFEND OURSELVES! [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"IF" the bonds were ours this would have been setteled LONG ago, therefore i beleive we DO NOT own the bonds ( or we hold a MUTCH smaller stake in them than we were told }


a recent call to the SEC found they were in the process of preparing a lawsuit for (fraud?)? we dont know what the SEC has found. trading on grey sheets, MM`s cant or will not quote it, for all intents and purposes the company is shut down. they have no buisness as of yet and are not likely to earn any while the SEC investigation continues. the extent of bond ownership remains a questionmark. this will remain on grey sheets until the SEC completes their investigation and MM`s sign off on the legitimacy of the companies financials or the court orders the liquidation of assets ( if any exist!)
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I don't like your predictions TexasMoney... I can't remember if it was you or Tex that brought up the suspension the day before it happened...

[Big Grin]

When is the sky falling Chiken Little? I gotta go home and do Henny Penny so I die with a smile on my face. HA HA!!

It was TEX... makes you wonder.
trust me, texas money doesnt know anything ....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
we own the bonds ive seen the paperwork online myself!!
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CapitalGains:
Thank you 10of13. I don't have much to use really. I told my Dad I was considering trying to make money with stocks because I won my class competition for 1st place and he about had a heart attack. He likes Harley Davidson, Disney, AEP, Home Depot and other big stocks like that. They are too much money for me.
But he did make like 7 dollars a share when AEP got a new CEO.

Read the NEWBIE section before dime one enters the market...ALL OF IT!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
quote:
Originally posted by CapitalGains:
Thank you 10of13. I don't have much to use really. I told my Dad I was considering trying to make money with stocks because I won my class competition for 1st place and he about had a heart attack. He likes Harley Davidson, Disney, AEP, Home Depot and other big stocks like that. They are too much money for me.
But he did make like 7 dollars a share when AEP got a new CEO.

Read the NEWBIE section before dime one enters the market...ALL OF IT!
I kinda wish i had done that. [Smile]
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
News GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
LAKE DALLAS, TX, Nov 28, 2006 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Conversion Solutions
Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following
current events have taken place:

The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according
to the original merger agreement.

Integrity Stock Transfer is the Transfer Agent for the company.

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

"Due to the recent events that have transpired, we feel it is in the best
interest of the shareholders to move forward as expeditiously as possible. My
concern has always been and always will be for the shareholders in this company.
It is our goal to build a successful and fully operational corporation
maintaining the current business plan. The plan of the company is to fully
cooperate with the SEC to conclude the matters at hand in a timely manner. We
will continue to update shareholders as events unfold," stated John L. Arlitt,
Chairman and CEO, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

Dated: November 28, 2006.

About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund
and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's
main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies
in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market.
Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve
operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a
suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at http://www.cvsu.us/.

Conversion Solutions Holding Corp. Safe Harbor Statement

Information provided in this press release may contain statements relating to
current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events
that are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities
Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally relate
to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and
are based upon management's current estimates and projections of future results
or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a
result of certain risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are
made only as of the date hereof, and we undertake no obligation to update or
revise the forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information,
future events or otherwise.
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Nice lookin PR!

6:1 even *.20 is a start!!!!
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Is there an echo in hear???????????


[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
 -


[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Ha Ha...
Let's get rollin again!
I'm dreaming of a GREEN Christmas
Just like the ones other people than me have had.
May your days be marry, and Bright [Cool]
And May all you're Christmases be GREEN
Happy Holidays!
Ima
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Encouraging PR! I like it. Hopefully it's a boost of confidence for all shareholders. If things like this actually start to happen it will move us up to make our new shares actually worth more than 20 cents each.

Simon's on.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Great! this is fantastic...
Now lets hope they keep up the PR's and moving forward!

[Smile]
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
Conversion Solutions Reports Status of Current Events
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following current events have taken place:

The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according to the original merger agreement.

Integrity Stock Transfer is the Transfer Agent for the company.

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

"Due to the recent events that have transpired, we feel it is in the best interest of the shareholders to move forward as expeditiously as possible. My concern has always been and always will be for the shareholders in this company. It is our goal to build a successful and fully operational corporation maintaining the current business plan. The plan of the company is to fully cooperate with the SEC to conclude the matters at hand in a timely manner. We will continue to update shareholders as events unfold," stated John L. Arlitt, Chairman and CEO, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

Dated: November 28, 2006.

About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at http://www.cvsu.us/.

Conversion Solutions Holding Corp. Safe Harbor Statement

Information provided in this press release may contain statements relating to current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based upon management's current estimates and projections of future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the date hereof, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.


Source: Market Wire (November 28, 2006 - 8:48 PM EST)
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
I asked this question on other board earlier and kinda got a hostile answer.

I am just wondering why TUT kept his identity so mysterious all this time. I thought he was gonna end up being a govt offical, sec guy, or MM. He's just some CEO. Why all the crypic stuff? [Roll Eyes]

Anyway it doesn't matter now and the new PR already makes me feel better that he is going to move us forward.

I like this part "the plan of the company is to fully cooperate with the SEC to conclude the matters at hand in a timely manner" [Big Grin]
THIS is what Rufus never said or did that hurt the worst, IMO.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Stop, Look and Listen...wise words.

Do not judge what you do not know or understand.

Wild speculation is just that...Wild Speculation.

A++ on communication so far...JA seems to have the shareholder's interest in mind.

I think JA has begun to answer questions and I am happy about it. But it fails to surprise me.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
So if someone wanted to buy some shares tomorrow... can it be done by any broker online at this point? I have Scottrade and eTrade. I haven't tried a buy or sell lately. I understand that Scotty is requiring a phone trade only at like $40 bucks or something.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Stop, Look and Listen...wise words.

Do not judge what you do not know or understand.

Wild speculation is just that...Wild Speculation.


[Big Grin]

[Confused] who you talkin' to? [Confused]
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Note:

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
So if someone wanted to buy some shares tomorrow... can it be done by any broker online at this point? I have Scottrade and eTrade. I haven't tried a buy or sell lately. I understand that Scotty is requiring a phone trade only at like $40 bucks or something.

Last I heard etrade online works for CSHD.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Cool Igor - thanks.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
So does this mean that the price should drop 1/7 when they give us the shares? I hope that everyone will be thinking about that, and not multiply the current value of the stock in thier accounts and expect to have that much. Hopefully we will be able to bring our price back up to at least .30 after the shares are given to us.
 
Posted by urbright on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

[Big Grin]

 
Posted by urbright on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

[Big Grin]
[/LIST]
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Ok, enough for me tonight, tim miles aka ourstreet is im'ing simon - that's where I turn off simon and go to bed. Happy Dreams Kids!
 
Posted by urbright on :
 
Sorry about that...just wanted to confirm that I picked up additional CSHD shares on Etrade this morning - don't know about Scottrade or others.
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
So if someone wanted to buy some shares tomorrow... can it be done by any broker online at this point? I have Scottrade and eTrade. I haven't tried a buy or sell lately. I understand that Scotty is requiring a phone trade only at like $40 bucks or something.

Last I heard etrade online works for CSHD.

 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Lucky you, urbright. Looks like you made a profit today. Thanks for the info. Good night.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Sweet news. Looks like John is going to try and answer the important questions. I wonder how long it will take to get the SEC deal taken care of. I think we'll be on the grey's until then.

I guess I might just try to buy a few more of these shares soon [Big Grin] .

Good luck to us all.

BTW, I'll be gone the rest of this week (hunting) in case anyone misses me.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
It was a general comment. Good DD here lately...both the good and bad. Far better than elsewhere and faster.

Keep up the good work. Accurate information is critical to helping shareholders (both old and new) to understand what is going on.

Too often board reading shareholders go off the deep end before all is realized or fully understood.

I don't know everything...but I do see the mood swings.

quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Stop, Look and Listen...wise words.

Do not judge what you do not know or understand.

Wild speculation is just that...Wild Speculation.


[Big Grin]

[Confused] who you talkin' to? [Confused]

 
Posted by portman on :
 
We trade the greys until an MM.

I hope there is a 16 pointer out there for ya...or bigger.

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Sweet news. Looks like John is going to try and answer the important questions. I wonder how long it will take to get the SEC deal taken care of. I think we'll be on the grey's until then.

I guess I might just try to buy a few more of these shares soon [Big Grin] .

Good luck to us all.

BTW, I'll be gone the rest of this week (hunting) in case anyone misses me.


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
No sh**.. I think we have someone who knows how bad the shareholders want answers.

Keep it coming tut!!!!!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Be safe...and have fun! [Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Sweet news. Looks like John is going to try and answer the important questions. I wonder how long it will take to get the SEC deal taken care of. I think we'll be on the grey's until then.

I guess I might just try to buy a few more of these shares soon [Big Grin] .

Good luck to us all.

BTW, I'll be gone the rest of this week (hunting) in case anyone misses me.


 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Portman -

Did you get the two PMs I sent you?
 
Posted by portman on :
 
10...I am still thinking [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
That in itself is a scarey thought... [Razz]
Don't stress...it's not worth it... [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by portman:
10...I am still thinking [Wink]


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
What does that tell you about Mr. Timothy Miles?

quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
Ok, enough for me tonight, tim miles aka ourstreet is im'ing simon - that's where I turn off simon and go to bed. Happy Dreams Kids!


 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, nice PR and of course it was intentionally aimed at the #1 question out there today....whats with the 6:1?

But be honest folks, you expected it to end with "you are either with or without" didnt ya? Come onnnn you know you did. [Smile]

Good night!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Have fun mister...watch out for Dick Chaney...LOL. J/K

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Sweet news. Looks like John is going to try and answer the important questions. I wonder how long it will take to get the SEC deal taken care of. I think we'll be on the grey's until then.

I guess I might just try to buy a few more of these shares soon [Big Grin] .

Good luck to us all.

BTW, I'll be gone the rest of this week (hunting) in case anyone misses me.


 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok, nice PR and of course it was intentionally aimed at the #1 question out there today....whats with the 6:1?

But be honest folks, you expected it to end with "you are either with or without" didnt ya? Come onnnn you know you did. [Smile]

Good night!

Good night Mr.Catia, hope you sleep well.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Nice PR glad he is talking to the shareholders. And...

I am glad his quote did not mention us "being at the gates of victory" or "the cobra striking". HA HA!!

That is PR number two with a Safe Harbor Statement. By the book, and professional. Good going JA.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Just wanted to say hi, its nice to see longs posting again! I was gone for a week and thought I had the wrong board when I first logged in the other day haha , didn't know half of the names.GLTA
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Oh sorry, one more thing. It's also nice not to see bashing of Rufus. Some will call me stupid{don't care}but I am in this mainly because of him and until he's proven guilty of anything ,I am still a fan of his,
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
it says they are sticking with the 6:1 ratio as in 6 X 1.99= 12 dollars? it says "orginal merger agreemement" the orginal merger agreememnt was for 2X book value or something no?
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Great! this is fantastic...
Now lets hope they keep up the PR's and moving forward!

[Smile]

I agree!!! What a heck of a GOOD start by finishing up with the promise of 6:1. I appreciate whats happening now and would like to see further news of this type. We are owed much more!!!
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Nice PR glad he is talking to the shareholders. And...

I am glad his quote did not mention us "being at the gates of victory" or "the cobra striking". HA HA!!

That is PR number two with a Safe Harbor Statement. By the book, and professional. Good going JA.

lol ur so right on the cobra strike!, rat nice! lmao...

i hope this sec this is done with come christmas AT LEASt =)
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Great! this is fantastic...
Now lets hope they keep up the PR's and moving forward!

[Smile]

I agree!!! What a heck of a GOOD start by finishing up with the promise of 6:1. I appreciate whats happening now and would like to see further news of this type. We are owed much more!!!
thats old news...everyone knows that was going to be honored...the company already made that clear...dont give credit to this art guy...hes doing just what mike did when he signed on..release a couple positive prs...lets just not get excited instead lets wait for things to happen..
 
Posted by ullnvrknw on :
 
scam stock, junk!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
trade04 ~ one thing we may be overlooking is that this PR may mark the beginning of the ten day notification required before the issuance of the shares. Rufus always said that the 10 days to the 30th was delayed by the addition of the "E". I am not sure if this constitutes a public notification but if it does issuance could be as early 12/8 or 12/12.

I don't want to start rumors because I really do not know if this is the notification, but I know I have been waiting for a PR mentioning the 6:1. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ullnvrknw:
scam stock, junk!!!

HA! LOL [Big Grin] Tourettes Syndrome??? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
it says they are sticking with the 6:1 ratio as in 6 X 1.99= 12 dollars? it says "orginal merger agreemement" the orginal merger agreememnt was for 2X book value or something no?

They better have a good plan for this... Hopefully it involves the stock price beyond $2 / share before the issuance.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I don't like your predictions TexasMoney... I can't remember if it was you or Tex that brought up the suspension the day before it happened...

[Big Grin]

When is the sky falling Chiken Little? I gotta go home and do Henny Penny so I die with a smile on my face. HA HA!!

It was TEX... makes you wonder.
trust me, texas money doesnt know anything ....
lologrande-issimo!

how in THE WORLD did "texas money"'s posts get confused with mine?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
i hope so too Tim! it shouldnt even be a problem...if they threw out the whole 6:1 (fs style) thing i think we could see a very high shareprice, but of course you know penny stock investors buy with their eyes.. more share more shares....stupid imo..they think having abigger float would be a good thing...sure it would no doubt as long as the stock is going up up up..
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
trade04 ~ one thing we may be overlooking is that this PR may mark the beginning of the ten day notification required before the issuance of the shares. Rufus always said that the 10 days to the 30th was delayed by the addition of the "E". I am not sure if this constitutes a public notification but if it does issuance could be as early 12/8 or 12/12.

I don't want to start rumors because I really do not know if this is the notification, but I know I have been waiting for a PR mentioning the 6:1. [Big Grin]

are you saying he just needs to make a "pr appearence" as in what he did by accepting the CEO position? i hope not....the committee leader should really talk to the majority holder and tell him "you dont get any shares until you show something and CSHD is over $15" not obeying this request will call for your immediate removal!!! bahaha its true and thats how it should be though..
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
All you guys from Texas look alike... HA! j/k I do appologise Tex. I know one is good and one is evil... I just am not good with names. [Big Grin] I read them and judge them and smile or frown depending on the content. LOL alright I am off topic rambling now... just appologies for the mix-up.

THE STARS AT NIGHT...
ARE BIG AND BRIGHT!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
"THE STARTS AT NIGHT...
ARE BIG AND BRIGHT"

LOL [Confused]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
"THE STARS AT NIGHT...
ARE BIG AND BRIGHT"

LOL [Confused]

I fixed it! and yours too. hehe
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
All you guys from Texas look alike... HA! j/k I do appologise Tex. I know one is good and one is evil... I just am not good with names. [Big Grin] I read them and judge them and smile or frown depending on the content. LOL alright I am off topic rambling now... just appologies for the mix-up.

THE STARS AT NIGHT...
ARE BIG AND BRIGHT!

ooooooooooooooo

OHHHHHHHH

chit!

you in trouble, boy!

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
it says they are sticking with the 6:1 ratio as in 6 X 1.99= 12 dollars? it says "orginal merger agreemement" the orginal merger agreememnt was for 2X book value or something no?

They better have a good plan for this... Hopefully it involves the stock price beyond $2 / share before the issuance.
I am sure j. arlitt must have checked the assets before issueing tonights pr. dilution would be ridiculous, but if the assets are there like we have seen, then this pr of the 6-1 issuance is just more proof in the bag.
 
Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
Well, if you have TDAmeritrade, good luck seeing 1:6 shares even if this does happen. I'm still waiting for just 93 shares of PAVC that were supposed to be "rounded up" to 100 in AUGUST due to a reverse split. TDAmeritrade just gives me the runaround everytime I contact them about it.

I'm glad this new CSHD PR was put out though. Hope we'll see some green in the am.

Jo
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Oh Tex... I am a Texan wanna be. Visted the Granberry TX for a wedding this Summer, and liked the weather so much we may move there someday.

DEEP IN THE HEART OF...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
dont count on it jo..as long as we are on the greys anyway...
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jo4321:
Well, if you have TDAmeritrade, good luck seeing 1:6 shares even if this does happen. I'm still waiting for just 93 shares of PAVC that were supposed to be "rounded up" to 100 in AUGUST due to a reverse split. TDAmeritrade just gives me the runaround everytime I contact them about it.

I'm glad this new CSHD PR was put out though. Hope we'll see some green in the am.

Jo

I'm in the same boat regarding PAVC, and I spoke with an Etrade Rep, and he told me the hold up is due to PAVCs tranfer agent. Their hands are tied basically until the transfer agent gives the broker something. Which apparently they haven't done.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Oh Tex... I am a Texan wanna be. Visted the Granberry TX for a wedding this Summer, and liked the weather so much we may move there someday.

DEEP IN THE HEART OF...

lol,

suspect you intend "Granbury," down in Hood County, yes?
 
Posted by Fredgrasshopper on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by ullnvrknw:
scam stock, junk!!!

HA! LOL [Big Grin] Tourettes Syndrome??? [Big Grin]
Thats not funny Tax. My mother taught me not to make fun of the disabled!
 
Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
quote:
I'm in the same boat regarding PAVC, and I spoke with an Etrade Rep, and he told me the hold up is due to PAVCs tranfer agent. Their hands are tied basically until the transfer agent gives the broker something. Which apparently they haven't done.


Exactly. So what's to keep CSHD from claiming the same excuse for the 6:1 thing? Don't get too excited about it until you actually see those shares in your account!

Jo
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Tex ~ Yeah it would not surprise me if I mispelled the town name. It was a short trip, but great weather. I had a good Interview with Nextel in Abileen once that led to an offer. I had to refuse because of bigger and better, but maybe someday I will live the dream of armadillos, long horns, consealed weapons, and zero state tax. LOL!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by ullnvrknw:
scam stock, junk!!!

HA! LOL [Big Grin] Tourettes Syndrome??? [Big Grin]
Thats not funny Tax. My mother taught me not to make fun of the disabled!
Who is making fun... just a simple non-medical diagnosis. I would suggest the poster get a second opinion. HA!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?

i HOPE they are joking...it cant be tut...this new CEO use to work for diversified inc or something...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?

I am out for the night but since I have written soo much this evening. I will answer you Kevin. I will even pretend that I am answering your question for your benefit. Even though you are just trying to do your normal "spin" by posing questions your really do not care for the answers to since you plan on trying to post in a negative light no matter what the response.

You used the word "pissed" which is a very strong word conveying feelings like disappointment, or frustration. True, Tut gave us little if any answers in some of his vague posts and responses, but only a poster who shows little or no regard for others who are financially tied to a security "piss US off".

Tut may have added to certain longs frustration at times, but I do think all are happy with a shareholder who has been so dedicated to the longs perspective taking initiative and skills based on prior experience to rectify the current situation. A similar example was Dogman's initiative to start the shareholder comittee. He made an effort and there is something to be said about that. Was it done completely right? I don't think I would agree to that, but it is an effort and that is "something".

Some very offensive and alterior motive driven groups/individuals are involved in this stock, and to hear a rumor that Tut wants to be CEO, and to see John take control is a positive move. What happens next only time will tell.

There you go. I think I have answered why many longs find this to be a "good thing". You should start looking for your "spin" now. Finding your "negative" to counter our positive. Maybe you could go dig up some old news... play the "I'm here to save you" card... Or maybe you can try the "old" divide and conquer tactic when trying to shake the weak hands who are in this stock.

You should know by now though that many if not all weak hands are gone at this point. You may get a few of the newbies but then again you are going to have to verbally take the price way down for that because they just bought in and for a great deal less PPS than several of us long time longs.

I love the natural volitility you "spinners" bring to this stock it takes alot of the pressure off my own conscience when I have a bash there screaming loudly about all the negatives. I have to research the claims and my doubts spawned, I have to reason the negative interpretations against logic and luck. It makes me a better trader, and in these situations where complexity out guns simplicity it brings me confidence in my postition.

Don't take it as flattery, on the contrary... a good trader never listens to a stock board poster good or bad. A good trader checks the information for themselves, protects their capital when possible, and when risks out number reward they NEVER place more money on the table than what they are comfortable in losing.

Enjoy your night.

Tut is honoring the 6:1, CSHD is working on forming their defense, and CSHD has a New CEO that is not afraid to use a disclaimer. I should be sleeping really well tonight even tho the price is down some 90% from pre litigation. Hope the same goes for you. GLTA
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
So TuT IS the CEO????


lol! this just gets better and better lmao...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
anyone see this????? wtf?


http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/disciplined_person.asp?id=949
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Man- 6:1 PR! Sweeeet! Now Johnny can get his two dollars and quit buggin [Smile]

Guessing if they are sticking to the original 6:1 plan means the "as of" date is 10/16. So everyone that may have increased position and took advantage of the greys pricing (Like me) will not recieve the 6:1 ratio for those additional shares.

Either way- I take 6:1 and sit at .20 any day of the week.


 -
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I strongly believe that this issue will be resolved with the SEC and when that time comes our efforts will be judged not by silence but with great fanfare.

The regulators have had a clear chance to demolish our company and they didn’t and probably couldn’t.

Close to the matter being resolved, this has simply been a case of the regulators kicking the can down the road.

To this point no one has offered a checkmate or any kind of explanation that proves us wrong.

You would think that our serious allegations would spark a response of some type.

Meanwhile, I take comfort in the fact that the long-term condition in CSHD never looked better.
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Scottrade charged me 26.66 for a phone order. They told me it was not on there internet restricted list so therefore I had to pay for the broker assisted trade. I was basically told that, that's what I get for trading a grey since there aren't any MM's to quote it so the orders need to be put in over the phone.

quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
So if someone wanted to buy some shares tomorrow... can it be done by any broker online at this point? I have Scottrade and eTrade. I haven't tried a buy or sell lately. I understand that Scotty is requiring a phone trade only at like $40 bucks or something.


 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
G'd Morning Board: Looking to see a good day today.....

OT : I read this in the posting on HSM from last evening and thought it was funny at first, and then have hoped it is not a forshadowing parable.
So, for all the Texans reading, my intent is just to pass along a humorous ditty to start the morning. If y'all have any funny Hoosier jokes, I'm all ears and have a thick hide.

______________________________________________
Originally Posted by Moderator
A Texas redneck ( we will call him Uncle Frank ) was stopped by a game warden in East Texas recently with two ice chests full of live fish in water, leaving a river well known for its fishing. The game warden asked Uncle Jim, "Do you have a license to catch those fish?"

"Naw, my friend, I ain't got no license. These here are my pet fish."

"Pet fish?"

"Yep. Every night I take these fish down to the river and let 'em swim' round for a while. Then I whistle and they jump right back into this ice chest and I take 'em home."

"That's a bunch of BS! Fish can't do that!"

Uncle Jim looked at the game warden for a moment and then said, "It's the truth. I'll show you. It really works."

"Okay, I've GOT to see this!"

Uncle Jim poured the fish into the river and stood and waited. After several minutes, the game warden turned to him and said, "Well?"

"Well, what?" said Uncle Jim.

"When are you going to call them back?"

"Call who back?"

"The FISH!"

"What fish?"

We in Texas may not be as smart as some, but we ain't as dumb as most. You smart ones have a good day.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
whoa did you see that 700,000 trade?

-with the PR last night this makes more sense now ~ [Smile]

My home computer was down, cable connection or something, still is down. Going back several pages to catch up! brb!

Good Morning Board!
More GREEN today me thinks! [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Morning board!
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
morning board. what a show cshd is huh?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Good morning board.........

So, new 8k today / tonight then? Or do you all think it will be tomorrow or Fri? [Smile]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Good morning board.........

So, new 8k today / tonight then? Or do you all think it will be tomorrow or Fri? [Smile]

Good morning to you! and also to the board.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
dont count on it jo..as long as we are on the greys anyway...

Well, accordingly Jo, I have received my shares and already sold through choicetrade (8.5 X 50 and 6.55 X 50). Fidelity has my 99 round-up shares in my account posted but not able to sell just yet. Even at its price now I'll still make a 706% gain.

So no, the 6:1 wasn't expected here and if we do get it I WILL be surprised...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Man- 6:1 PR! Sweeeet! Now Johnny can get his two dollars and quit buggin [Smile]

Guessing if they are sticking to the original 6:1 plan means the "as of" date is 10/16. So everyone that may have increased position and took advantage of the greys pricing (Like me) will not recieve the 6:1 ratio for those additional shares.

Either way- I take 6:1 and sit at .20 any day of the week.


 -

you are one crazy mofo
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Good Morning Allstocks.

Let's hope for the best today. I was very impressed and surprised by the PR. Days to accomplish what others could not in months.

<Wash, Rinse, Repeat>
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
I know there are many who are looking for a glimmer of hope in recent events, but that hope has to be tempered with reality.

Reality 1: Rufus, to Mike, to Rufus, to John is not a good scenario no matter how you spin it.

Reality 2: John Arlitt has been fined for misrepresentation in the past. Also, not a good scenario no matter how you spin it. Remember the past of Rufus.

Reality 3: I could be wrong but the PR below starts out wrong. CSHD is not OTCBB. Some may think this is minor, but it is a mistake nevertheless and is not a good sign that the current management is concerned about details and noting John Arlitt's background in IR, he must not have been very good to let this slip by IMO.

Reality 4: More words but no facts -- in other words -- name the lawyer and/or law firms that the company has retained. Shareholders have a right to know that. We also have a right to know the compensation being paid to the CEO, etc.

Reality 5: Integrity Stock Transfer is a fancy name but in reality see the website below. They are either just created or they don't want anyone to do dd on them. Full website coming soon??? IMO there must be 100s of other firms with substantial backgground in handling these matters, so selecting this firm may be misleading us again.

------------------------------------------------

LAKE DALLAS, TX, Nov 28, 2006 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Conversion Solutions
Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following
current events have taken place:

The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according
to the original merger agreement.

Integrity Stock Transfer is the Transfer Agent for the company.

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

"Due to the recent events that have transpired, we feel it is in the best
interest of the shareholders to move forward as expeditiously as possible. My
concern has always been and always will be for the shareholders in this company.
It is our goal to build a successful and fully operational corporation
maintaining the current business plan. The plan of the company is to fully
cooperate with the SEC to conclude the matters at hand in a timely manner. We
will continue to update shareholders as events unfold," stated John L. Arlitt,
Chairman and CEO, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

-------------------------------------------------
Our Full Web Site Is Coming Soon !
Integrity Stock Transfer Services Include:
Full Service Stock Transfer Processing
Secure Shareholder Record Keeping
DTC Fast Agent (DWAC)
Dividend / Partial Share Payment
Forward / Reverse Stock Split Processing
Lost Securities Tracking and Reporting
Comprehensive Reporting Options (optional - see below)
Proxy Management and Mail Services
SEC Regulatory Compliance
E&O and Mail Bond Insurance on Every Transaction


Contact Us
Telephone: (702) 317-7757
Toll Free: (877) 317-7757
Fax: (702) 796-5650
E-mail: stock*integritynevada.net
Mail: 2920 N. Green Valley Parkway
Building 5 - Suite 527
Henderson, NV 89014
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rufus has me wondering, just what he was ever going to do about anything, because he seems to stall about it all. And I heard him say that he has a short ambitious schedule for getting things done. Dilusional. I hope he at least kept the bonds on board.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Oh, I never said buy more!!! In fact I still believe you are not too smart if you do without even having a bid or ask.

FOr the 6:1 ratio, its not a split as some of you say. It was supposed to be a reward for holding and those that held will see that reward. If you weren't around, you should NOT reap the rewards...

I haven't regained crap now cause I still haven't seen those shares but I do feel it is ok to let loose now and be ok with everything thats happened. My money is already gone like everyone elses, including yours.

Like I said, now lets see that other 1000% gain to suffice its original starting point. And don't say its not possible cause I've had 4 stocks alone over 1000% this year!!!
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Good morning everyone .... Have you all noticed the "Professionalism" in the PR's ? Wow ....What a difference ! We're beginning to look like a First Class Company.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Good points, you should mention them to the committtee reps if you can figure out how to communicate with them.
The only thing I can think of doing right now is to hang in here and hope that Conversion gets it together.


quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I know there are many who are looking for a glimmer of hope in recent events, but that hope has to be tempered with reality.

Reality 1: Rufus, to Mike, to Rufus, to John is not a good scenario no matter how you spin it.

Reality 2: John Arlitt has been fined for misrepresentation in the past. Also, not a good scenario no matter how you spin it. Remember the past of Rufus.

Reality 3: I could be wrong but the PR below starts out wrong. CSHD is not OTCBB. Some may think this is minor, but it is a mistake nevertheless and is not a good sign that the current management is concerned about details and noting John Arlitt's background in IR, he must not have been very good to let this slip by IMO.

Reality 4: More words but no facts -- in other words -- name the lawyer and/or law firms that the company has retained. Shareholders have a right to know that. We also have a right to know the compensation being paid to the CEO, etc.

Reality 5: Integrity Stock Transfer is a fancy name but in reality see the website below. They are either just created or they don't want anyone to do dd on them. Full website coming soon??? IMO there must be 100s of other firms with substantial backgground in handling these matters, so selecting this firm may be misleading us again.

------------------------------------------------

LAKE DALLAS, TX, Nov 28, 2006 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Conversion Solutions
Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following
current events have taken place:

The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according
to the original merger agreement.

Integrity Stock Transfer is the Transfer Agent for the company.

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

"Due to the recent events that have transpired, we feel it is in the best
interest of the shareholders to move forward as expeditiously as possible. My
concern has always been and always will be for the shareholders in this company.
It is our goal to build a successful and fully operational corporation
maintaining the current business plan. The plan of the company is to fully
cooperate with the SEC to conclude the matters at hand in a timely manner. We
will continue to update shareholders as events unfold," stated John L. Arlitt,
Chairman and CEO, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

-------------------------------------------------
Our Full Web Site Is Coming Soon !
Integrity Stock Transfer Services Include:
Full Service Stock Transfer Processing
Secure Shareholder Record Keeping
DTC Fast Agent (DWAC)
Dividend / Partial Share Payment
Forward / Reverse Stock Split Processing
Lost Securities Tracking and Reporting
Comprehensive Reporting Options (optional - see below)
Proxy Management and Mail Services
SEC Regulatory Compliance
E&O and Mail Bond Insurance on Every Transaction


Contact Us
Telephone: (702) 317-7757
Toll Free: (877) 317-7757
Fax: (702) 796-5650
E-mail: stock*integritynevada.net
Mail: 2920 N. Green Valley Parkway
Building 5 - Suite 527
Henderson, NV 89014


 
Posted by ajman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I know there are many who are looking for a glimmer of hope in recent events, but that hope has to be tempered with reality.

Reality 1: Rufus, to Mike, to Rufus, to John is not a good scenario no matter how you spin it.

Reality 2: John Arlitt has been fined for misrepresentation in the past. Also, not a good scenario no matter how you spin it. Remember the past of Rufus.

Reality 3: I could be wrong but the PR below starts out wrong. CSHD is not OTCBB. Some may think this is minor, but it is a mistake nevertheless and is not a good sign that the current management is concerned about details and noting John Arlitt's background in IR, he must not have been very good to let this slip by IMO.

Reality 4: More words but no facts -- in other words -- name the lawyer and/or law firms that the company has retained. Shareholders have a right to know that. We also have a right to know the compensation being paid to the CEO, etc.

Reality 5: Integrity Stock Transfer is a fancy name but in reality see the website below. They are either just created or they don't want anyone to do dd on them. Full website coming soon??? IMO there must be 100s of other firms with substantial backgground in handling these matters, so selecting this firm may be misleading us again.

------------------------------------------------

LAKE DALLAS, TX, Nov 28, 2006 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Conversion Solutions
Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following
current events have taken place:

The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according
to the original merger agreement.

Integrity Stock Transfer is the Transfer Agent for the company.

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

"Due to the recent events that have transpired, we feel it is in the best
interest of the shareholders to move forward as expeditiously as possible. My
concern has always been and always will be for the shareholders in this company.
It is our goal to build a successful and fully operational corporation
maintaining the current business plan. The plan of the company is to fully
cooperate with the SEC to conclude the matters at hand in a timely manner. We
will continue to update shareholders as events unfold," stated John L. Arlitt,
Chairman and CEO, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

-------------------------------------------------
Our Full Web Site Is Coming Soon !
Integrity Stock Transfer Services Include:
Full Service Stock Transfer Processing
Secure Shareholder Record Keeping
DTC Fast Agent (DWAC)
Dividend / Partial Share Payment
Forward / Reverse Stock Split Processing
Lost Securities Tracking and Reporting
Comprehensive Reporting Options (optional - see below)
Proxy Management and Mail Services
SEC Regulatory Compliance
E&O and Mail Bond Insurance on Every Transaction


Contact Us
Telephone: (702) 317-7757
Toll Free: (877) 317-7757
Fax: (702) 796-5650
E-mail: stock*integritynevada.net
Mail: 2920 N. Green Valley Parkway
Building 5 - Suite 527
Henderson, NV 89014

Response:
Reality 1: No spin just fact, dealing with this reality and moving on hopefully in a more professional manner due of a company with billions in assets.

Reality 2: Everyone makes mistakes, the fact is he fully cooperated with the authorities on this matter and it was a minor enough of an infraction to only warrant a $5k fine. Actually this shows us that he is willing to make things right.

Reality 3: We are OTCBB........OTCBB:other

Reality 4: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NAME THE FIRM. All we need at this point is for bashers to inundate the firm with harrassing phone calls. Fact is they are getting legal representation at this time, that is good enough for me.

Reality 5: Integrity has been the transfer agent since fhal days, it was kept on for cshd.

[Roll Eyes] anything else
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
from wv's post

Reality 1: Rufus, to Mike, to Rufus, to John is not a good scenario no matter how you spin it.

Reality 2: John Arlitt has been fined for misrepresentation in the past. Also, not a good scenario no matter how you spin it. Remember the past of Rufus.

Reality 3: I could be wrong but the PR below starts out wrong. CSHD is not OTCBB. Some may think this is minor, but it is a mistake nevertheless and is not a good sign that the current management is concerned about details and noting John Arlitt's background in IR, he must not have been very good to let this slip by IMO.

Reality 4: More words but no facts -- in other words -- name the lawyer and/or law firms that the company has retained. Shareholders have a right to know that. We also have a right to know the compensation being paid to the CEO, etc.

Reality 5: Integrity Stock Transfer is a fancy name but in reality see the website below. They are either just created or they don't want anyone to do dd on them. Full website coming soon??? IMO there must be 100s of other firms with substantial backgground in handling these matters, so selecting this firm may be misleading us again.


Maybe its just me but I don't like the word SPIN...

1. Yes changing CEO's like underwear is not great but I still feel we are now headed in the right direction.

2. If you delve into this issue further you will see what a minor infraction this is. Its no Enron!

3. "He must not have been very good to let this slip by"... Boy John must be an idiot... Give me a break!!!!

4. He has been CEO for less than 22 hours at the time of the PR and you expect names already... Get real!!! At least JA knows the importance of getting legal help unlike our predecessors.

5. Integrity Stock Transfer has been with us from the beginning and Websites don't mean SH*T!!!
You want DD, CALL THEM! I have several times.

So thats my spin...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Good Morning...

wv1973 ~ Are you just cranky in the morning?

1. Rufus to Mike to Rufus to John... can indeed have a positive viewpoint. One Rufus is not incharge, and two either is Mike. No offense to either I like them but they both have much bigger issues than John. One is alot of talk and action, but little understanding or willingness to take the safe approach to anything. It has gotten us in a lot of trouble very quickly. The other built the bankrupt shell of a company that caught Rufus's eye... nuf said.

2. John paid the Canadian exchange $5K in disgorgement by admitting he misrepresented something. Heck at least he knows how to say, "Hey you know I am sorry, I was wrong." $5K is not a huge fine so I hardly even looked into the infraction, but did anyone even look to see if that fine was list in US currency? What is $5K in Canadian currency? I haven't even looked at the exchange rate lately.

$5000.00 CAD = $4,395.08 USD

Wow I am even more impressed with his major infraction. Somebody should spend half their day trying to figure out what typo this life long Investor Relations guy made to spark that slap on the wrist. HA!


3. he left OTCBB on the top of the PR... How do you know this is his fault? If you ask me I would say it is a setting on the Newswire that needs to be changed, and since the DTC has not updated us with a New exchange listing since we do not have any MM's then I would think it will remain until CSHD is officially delisted, or return from the grey sheets world that we are currently in.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
ajman, thanks for the positive spin on those details. That sounds fair to me.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ajman:
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I know there are many who are looking for a glimmer of hope in recent events, but that hope has to be tempered with reality.

Reality 1: Rufus, to Mike, to Rufus, to John is not a good scenario no matter how you spin it.

Reality 2: John Arlitt has been fined for misrepresentation in the past. Also, not a good scenario no matter how you spin it. Remember the past of Rufus.

Reality 3: I could be wrong but the PR below starts out wrong. CSHD is not OTCBB. Some may think this is minor, but it is a mistake nevertheless and is not a good sign that the current management is concerned about details and noting John Arlitt's background in IR, he must not have been very good to let this slip by IMO.

Reality 4: More words but no facts -- in other words -- name the lawyer and/or law firms that the company has retained. Shareholders have a right to know that. We also have a right to know the compensation being paid to the CEO, etc.

Reality 5: Integrity Stock Transfer is a fancy name but in reality see the website below. They are either just created or they don't want anyone to do dd on them. Full website coming soon??? IMO there must be 100s of other firms with substantial backgground in handling these matters, so selecting this firm may be misleading us again.

------------------------------------------------

LAKE DALLAS, TX, Nov 28, 2006 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Conversion Solutions
Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following
current events have taken place:

The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according
to the original merger agreement.

Integrity Stock Transfer is the Transfer Agent for the company.

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

"Due to the recent events that have transpired, we feel it is in the best
interest of the shareholders to move forward as expeditiously as possible. My
concern has always been and always will be for the shareholders in this company.
It is our goal to build a successful and fully operational corporation
maintaining the current business plan. The plan of the company is to fully
cooperate with the SEC to conclude the matters at hand in a timely manner. We
will continue to update shareholders as events unfold," stated John L. Arlitt,
Chairman and CEO, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

-------------------------------------------------
Our Full Web Site Is Coming Soon !
Integrity Stock Transfer Services Include:
Full Service Stock Transfer Processing
Secure Shareholder Record Keeping
DTC Fast Agent (DWAC)
Dividend / Partial Share Payment
Forward / Reverse Stock Split Processing
Lost Securities Tracking and Reporting
Comprehensive Reporting Options (optional - see below)
Proxy Management and Mail Services
SEC Regulatory Compliance
E&O and Mail Bond Insurance on Every Transaction


Contact Us
Telephone: (702) 317-7757
Toll Free: (877) 317-7757
Fax: (702) 796-5650
E-mail: stock*integritynevada.net
Mail: 2920 N. Green Valley Parkway
Building 5 - Suite 527
Henderson, NV 89014

Response:
Reality 1: No spin just fact, dealing with this reality and moving on hopefully in a more professional manner due of a company with billions in assets.

Reality 2: Everyone makes mistakes, the fact is he fully cooperated with the authorities on this matter and it was a minor enough of an infraction to only warrant a $5k fine. Actually this shows us that he is willing to make things right.

Reality 3: We are OTCBB........OTCBB:other

Reality 4: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NAME THE FIRM. All we need at this point is for bashers to inundate the firm with harrassing phone calls. Fact is they are getting legal representation at this time, that is good enough for me.

Reality 5: Integrity has been the transfer agent since fhal days, it was kept on for cshd.

[Roll Eyes] anything else

[Smile] Good job [Smile]
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according
to the original merger agreement. - does this mean the price has to get back to 2.00 a share for the reset to happen?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Yea good job!!!

we are good spinners!! LOL I still don't like that word.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
from the looks of the L-2's I would venture to say we have a lot of real buying going on here.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Well, if you do no DD and look ONLY for the negative that is what you will see.

The world is not perfect. Nor are people.

Should we understand a shareholder who has this particular stance and opinion at this time after all that has happened. Most certainly we should.

Like I said before...

Stop, Look and Listen.

As far a law firms go...You will not see names unless the firm permits it. I have no idea on the status other than what the PR says. But I am happy that in a few days the new management team is accomplishing more than the previous did in months.

Personally, I am waiting to see delivery on expectations. If I see a positive pattern I will continue to be positive.

It is obvious some people did not see a positive pattern previously and took action. Let's hope it was in time.


quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I know there are many who are looking for a glimmer of hope in recent events, but that hope has to be tempered with reality.

Reality 1: Rufus, to Mike, to Rufus, to John is not a good scenario no matter how you spin it.

Reality 2: John Arlitt has been fined for misrepresentation in the past. Also, not a good scenario no matter how you spin it. Remember the past of Rufus.

Reality 3: I could be wrong but the PR below starts out wrong. CSHD is not OTCBB. Some may think this is minor, but it is a mistake nevertheless and is not a good sign that the current management is concerned about details and noting John Arlitt's background in IR, he must not have been very good to let this slip by IMO.

Reality 4: More words but no facts -- in other words -- name the lawyer and/or law firms that the company has retained. Shareholders have a right to know that. We also have a right to know the compensation being paid to the CEO, etc.

Reality 5: Integrity Stock Transfer is a fancy name but in reality see the website below. They are either just created or they don't want anyone to do dd on them. Full website coming soon??? IMO there must be 100s of other firms with substantial backgground in handling these matters, so selecting this firm may be misleading us again.

------------------------------------------------

LAKE DALLAS, TX, Nov 28, 2006 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Conversion Solutions
Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following
current events have taken place:

The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according
to the original merger agreement.

Integrity Stock Transfer is the Transfer Agent for the company.

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

"Due to the recent events that have transpired, we feel it is in the best
interest of the shareholders to move forward as expeditiously as possible. My
concern has always been and always will be for the shareholders in this company.
It is our goal to build a successful and fully operational corporation
maintaining the current business plan. The plan of the company is to fully
cooperate with the SEC to conclude the matters at hand in a timely manner. We
will continue to update shareholders as events unfold," stated John L. Arlitt,
Chairman and CEO, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

-------------------------------------------------
Our Full Web Site Is Coming Soon !
Integrity Stock Transfer Services Include:
Full Service Stock Transfer Processing
Secure Shareholder Record Keeping
DTC Fast Agent (DWAC)
Dividend / Partial Share Payment
Forward / Reverse Stock Split Processing
Lost Securities Tracking and Reporting
Comprehensive Reporting Options (optional - see below)
Proxy Management and Mail Services
SEC Regulatory Compliance
E&O and Mail Bond Insurance on Every Transaction


Contact Us
Telephone: (702) 317-7757
Toll Free: (877) 317-7757
Fax: (702) 796-5650
E-mail: stock*integritynevada.net
Mail: 2920 N. Green Valley Parkway
Building 5 - Suite 527
Henderson, NV 89014


 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
1: The following indicates I'm correct. CSHD is not OTCBB, it is other OTC.

Other OTC
Or otherwise known as the "Grey Market" is the trading of a security that is not listed, traded or quoted on any stock exchange, the OTCBB or the Pink Sheets. Other OTC trades are reported by broker-dealers to their Self Regulatory Organization (SRO) and the SRO distributes the trade data to market data vendors and financial websites so investors can track price and volume. Since Other OTC securities are not traded or quoted on an exchange or interdealer quotation system, investor's bids and offers are not collected in a central spot so market transparency is diminished and Best Execution of orders is difficult.

2: If you delve into this issue further you will see what a minor infraction this is. Its no Enron! -- What a bunch of crap. Wrong is wrong. Misrepresentation is misrepresentation. We should be cautious as to what comes from the mouth or Arlitt w/o solid proof.

3: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NAME THE FIRM. This is a publically traded company and the shareholders have a right ot know who the company is contracted to do business with like Integrity Stock Transfer. Didn't seem to matter to name them -- did it?

4: Why would I call Integrity? Would they tell me something bad?? Probably not, and IMO all ties to the past should be replaced with positive changes.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
WV you can spin it any way you like. Its all your opinion!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:

Maybe its just me but I don't like the word SPIN...

1. Yes changing CEO's like underwear is not great but I still feel we are now headed in the right direction.

a surfer ~ Funny I used the word "spinners" last night and it seems to be the word of the day. I don't like it either, but honestly it is the word for the actions in this online forum. Get some news, interpret it, and then convince everyone it is inline with your current line of thought. It is probably why so many scream "Facts Only" on these threads, but do not realize even facts can be spun till they barely resemble the truth anymore.

Your 1. comment reminded me of a recent Robin Williams quote in one of his recent movies. To paraphrase.

"Leaders should be changed often like diapers... and usually it is for the same reason."

Spin away spinners... just becareful you may start believing your own spin. Speculation is so hard to stray from.

Fact is John L. Arlitt recieved a $5K dollar fine for "misrepresentation" by the Canadian exchange.

One spinner sees a "slap on the wrist" for something so small as a typo or mangled quote.

The other spinner sees a "web of lies, coruption and criminal activity" that spans decades, and begs the question of why this "guy" is not in solitary in a Federal Prison.

I guess it is time for Ockham's razor again.

"All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one."

GLTA
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Hi all - I have a really sick child, so I haven't been around much...anything big other than the PR to be noted?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according
to the original merger agreement. - does this mean the price has to get back to 2.00 a share for the reset to happen?

No... just has to get to at least $2 for all of us to be happy that this crazy stuff is finally behind us.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I know there are many who are looking for a glimmer of hope in recent events, but that hope has to be tempered with reality.

Reality 1: Rufus, to Mike, to Rufus, to John is not a good scenario no matter how you spin it.

Reality 2: John Arlitt has been fined for misrepresentation in the past. Also, not a good scenario no matter how you spin it. Remember the past of Rufus.

Reality 3: I could be wrong but the PR below starts out wrong. CSHD is not OTCBB. Some may think this is minor, but it is a mistake nevertheless and is not a good sign that the current management is concerned about details and noting John Arlitt's background in IR, he must not have been very good to let this slip by IMO.

Reality 4: More words but no facts -- in other words -- name the lawyer and/or law firms that the company has retained. Shareholders have a right to know that. We also have a right to know the compensation being paid to the CEO, etc.

Reality 5: Integrity Stock Transfer is a fancy name but in reality see the website below. They are either just created or they don't want anyone to do dd on them. Full website coming soon??? IMO there must be 100s of other firms with substantial backgground in handling these matters, so selecting this firm may be misleading us again.

------------------------------------------------

LAKE DALLAS, TX, Nov 28, 2006 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- Conversion Solutions
Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following
current events have taken place:

The Threshold Price Reset for the 6 additional shares will be honored according
to the original merger agreement.

Integrity Stock Transfer is the Transfer Agent for the company.

Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also
finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm.

"Due to the recent events that have transpired, we feel it is in the best
interest of the shareholders to move forward as expeditiously as possible. My
concern has always been and always will be for the shareholders in this company.
It is our goal to build a successful and fully operational corporation
maintaining the current business plan. The plan of the company is to fully
cooperate with the SEC to conclude the matters at hand in a timely manner. We
will continue to update shareholders as events unfold," stated John L. Arlitt,
Chairman and CEO, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

-------------------------------------------------
Our Full Web Site Is Coming Soon !
Integrity Stock Transfer Services Include:
Full Service Stock Transfer Processing
Secure Shareholder Record Keeping
DTC Fast Agent (DWAC)
Dividend / Partial Share Payment
Forward / Reverse Stock Split Processing
Lost Securities Tracking and Reporting
Comprehensive Reporting Options (optional - see below)
Proxy Management and Mail Services
SEC Regulatory Compliance
E&O and Mail Bond Insurance on Every Transaction


Contact Us
Telephone: (702) 317-7757
Toll Free: (877) 317-7757
Fax: (702) 796-5650
E-mail: stock*integritynevada.net
Mail: 2920 N. Green Valley Parkway
Building 5 - Suite 527
Henderson, NV 89014

u have a good handle on things
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
TAX Thanks for your spin on things. LOL

I have read that Robin Williams quote before. Its a good one.

Maybe I will use the S word in every post today.................:}
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Hi all - I have a really sick child, so I haven't been around much...anything big other than the PR to be noted?

God bless you and your child Sherri.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I do agree with your statement regarding the law firm. The company has yet to provide the Court, as ordered by the Federal Judge, the name of the law firm representing CSHD. This is or should be a matter of public record.

quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
1: The following indicates I'm correct. CSHD is not OTCBB, it is other OTC.

Other OTC
Or otherwise known as the "Grey Market" is the trading of a security that is not listed, traded or quoted on any stock exchange, the OTCBB or the Pink Sheets. Other OTC trades are reported by broker-dealers to their Self Regulatory Organization (SRO) and the SRO distributes the trade data to market data vendors and financial websites so investors can track price and volume. Since Other OTC securities are not traded or quoted on an exchange or interdealer quotation system, investor's bids and offers are not collected in a central spot so market transparency is diminished and Best Execution of orders is difficult.

2: If you delve into this issue further you will see what a minor infraction this is. Its no Enron! -- What a bunch of crap. Wrong is wrong. Misrepresentation is misrepresentation. We should be cautious as to what comes from the mouth or Arlitt w/o solid proof.

3: DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES NAME THE FIRM. This is a publically traded company and the shareholders have a right ot know who the company is contracted to do business with like Integrity Stock Transfer. Didn't seem to matter to name them -- did it?

4: Why would I call Integrity? Would they tell me something bad?? Probably not, and IMO all ties to the past should be replaced with positive changes.


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I do agree that they should name the Law Firm or Law Firms involved... Personally, I think the long list of people that would choose to call and harrass a law firm deserve what they get.

Name them and direct all investor questions to them. It will quickly put an end to alot of the BS game playing and spin going on here.
[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
i thought that when an attorney agreed to represent the company he has to register an appearance before the court which would appear on pacer. but i agree the law firm doesn't need 5000 calls!! counsel is a matter of public record.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Well, At least we are going in the right direction, for once, let's be happy about that....Unfortunately, there are some people that will never be happy no matter what happens....

I, for one, am please with the progress.....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
DITTO! [Big Grin]
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Well, At least we are going in the right direction, for once, let's be happy about that....Unfortunately, there are some people that will never be happy no matter what happens....

I, for one, am please with the progress.....


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
DITTO!! My spin on things. [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I strongly believe that this issue will be resolved with the SEC and when that time comes our efforts will be judged not by silence but with great fanfare.

The regulators have had a clear chance to demolish our company and they didn’t and probably couldn’t.

Close to the matter being resolved, this has simply been a case of the regulators kicking the can down the road.

To this point no one has offered a checkmate or any kind of explanation that proves us wrong.

You would think that our serious allegations would spark a response of some type.

Meanwhile, I take comfort in the fact that the long-term condition in CSHD never looked better.


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Hi all - I have a really sick child, so I haven't been around much...anything big other than the PR to be noted?

-sorry to hear that SherriT ~
Hope things get better for you and yours ~
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Jenna. - Your voice doesn't match up with your looks [Razz]
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Someone expressed $49,140.00 worth of confidence on the buy side of the transaction for 273000 shares at 10:48 this morning.....that's rough 39% of todays volume so far


0.19 2390 OTO 11:05:11
0.20 500 OTO 10:59:36
0.20 1000 OTO 10:59:31
0.20 10000 OTO 10:59:13
0.20 23660 OTO 10:59:06
0.20 1000 OTO 10:59:06
0.19 1000 OTO 10:53:53
0.19 180 OTO 10:49:56
0.19 500 OTO 10:49:18
0.19 2500 OTO 10:49:18
0.18 273000 OTO 10:48:26
0.18 0 OTO 10:45:30
0.19 50000 OTO 10:43:26
0.19 5500 OTO 10:41:00
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Here is what tells me there is way more going on than we know at the moment.

Who after all this decides on Wed Nov 29th to sell after everything else? Who decides to sell yesterday for a total of over 2,000,000 shares? This is still not making a whole lot of since. If we had already crapped the bed, nobody would be touching this like most penny plays. Volume would be gone. Yet here we are with some days exceeding 1,000,000 shares trading hands on the grays w/ little to no info. Somebody that does know is still trading this.

IT’S NOT FLIPPERS
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Jenna. - Your voice doesn't match up with your looks [Razz]

So what if I sound like a man? You sound like Mr. Marsh!
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Jenna. - Your voice doesn't match up with your looks [Razz]

So what if I sound like a man? You sound like Mr. Marsh!
STFU Jenna!!!!!!!! lol
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Now you really sound like Mr. Marsh!!! That's why the boys used to put things in his coffee....
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Someone expressed $49,140.00 worth of confidence on the buy side of the transaction for 273000 shares at 10:48 this morning.....that's rough 39% of todays volume so far


0.19 2390 OTO 11:05:11
0.20 500 OTO 10:59:36
0.20 1000 OTO 10:59:31
0.20 10000 OTO 10:59:13
0.20 23660 OTO 10:59:06
0.20 1000 OTO 10:59:06
0.19 1000 OTO 10:53:53
0.19 180 OTO 10:49:56
0.19 500 OTO 10:49:18
0.19 2500 OTO 10:49:18
0.18 273000 OTO 10:48:26
0.18 0 OTO 10:45:30
0.19 50000 OTO 10:43:26
0.19 5500 OTO 10:41:00

those shares were traded on a down tick at .18, witch would NORMALY indicate a possible sell, no way to KNOW for shure, could be a broker trade to cover orders filled or a sell or a buy. anything is possible.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Whoa - we just fell to .15.........
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Now to .20...that's better....
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
back up to.20!! [Big Grin]

Things are even looking up here at good old CSHD!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Jenna ~ We did not fall to 0.15 someone decided to sell at 0.15. It is the Greys, and there is no bid and no ask. If someone wants to sell for a penny they can no one is going to stop them, and someone is sure as hell will be there to buy the shares off the person selling them.

I look at the L2 maybe once a day. They mean nothing without a MM, other than a sign of how many people are out there willing to trade this stock with or without a regulator keeping it somewhat fair.
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Changes are effecting to the CVSU website on the Executives tab..........Romeo V. is no longer listed..........below is what show now.
.
.
.
"Current Directors and Officers

John L. Arlitt, Chairman and CEO

(We are currently updating our information, please be patient.)


Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

www.cvsu.us
Phone: (404) 393-9824
Fax: (404) 393-9824

Contactus*CSHD.US "
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I know Tax - It could go from .02 to 2.00 in the matter of a second- but we haven't seen .15 in a few days I think so someone got in at a nice price - I'm jealous....

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Jenna ~ We did not fall to 0.15 someone decided to sell at 0.15. It is the Greys, and there is no bid and no ask. If someone wants to sell for a penny they can no one is going to stop them, and someone is sure as hell will be there to buy the shares off the person selling them.

I look at the L2 maybe once a day. They mean nothing without a MM, other than a sign of how many people are out there willing to trade this stock with or without a regulator keeping it somewhat fair.


 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I love how I pose a simple question, with a simple answer (Yes or No), and it gets spun like this. Meanwhile, I'm the one accused of "spinning." The only interest I have in this stock is as a bystander. If people want to dump their money in here, that's there own problem.

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?

I am out for the night but since I have written soo much this evening. I will answer you Kevin. I will even pretend that I am answering your question for your benefit. Even though you are just trying to do your normal "spin" by posing questions your really do not care for the answers to since you plan on trying to post in a negative light no matter what the response.

You used the word "pissed" which is a very strong word conveying feelings like disappointment, or frustration. True, Tut gave us little if any answers in some of his vague posts and responses, but only a poster who shows little or no regard for others who are financially tied to a security "piss US off".

Tut may have added to certain longs frustration at times, but I do think all are happy with a shareholder who has been so dedicated to the longs perspective taking initiative and skills based on prior experience to rectify the current situation. A similar example was Dogman's initiative to start the shareholder comittee. He made an effort and there is something to be said about that. Was it done completely right? I don't think I would agree to that, but it is an effort and that is "something".

Some very offensive and alterior motive driven groups/individuals are involved in this stock, and to hear a rumor that Tut wants to be CEO, and to see John take control is a positive move. What happens next only time will tell.

There you go. I think I have answered why many longs find this to be a "good thing". You should start looking for your "spin" now. Finding your "negative" to counter our positive. Maybe you could go dig up some old news... play the "I'm here to save you" card... Or maybe you can try the "old" divide and conquer tactic when trying to shake the weak hands who are in this stock.

You should know by now though that many if not all weak hands are gone at this point. You may get a few of the newbies but then again you are going to have to verbally take the price way down for that because they just bought in and for a great deal less PPS than several of us long time longs.

I love the natural volitility you "spinners" bring to this stock it takes alot of the pressure off my own conscience when I have a bash there screaming loudly about all the negatives. I have to research the claims and my doubts spawned, I have to reason the negative interpretations against logic and luck. It makes me a better trader, and in these situations where complexity out guns simplicity it brings me confidence in my postition.

Don't take it as flattery, on the contrary... a good trader never listens to a stock board poster good or bad. A good trader checks the information for themselves, protects their capital when possible, and when risks out number reward they NEVER place more money on the table than what they are comfortable in losing.

Enjoy your night.

Tut is honoring the 6:1, CSHD is working on forming their defense, and CSHD has a New CEO that is not afraid to use a disclaimer. I should be sleeping really well tonight even tho the price is down some 90% from pre litigation. Hope the same goes for you. GLTA


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I hope all and their kiddies feel well soon.
T/A just told me they don't have any word on the 6:1 business yet. Only old news that they received a while back.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I just had 3 palm trees put in around the pool!!!

I had to SPIN one around though.. LOL

Anyone for SPIN the bottle??? Jenna?? Oh wait we're married.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Thank You, you are very generous.


Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I love how I pose a simple question, with a simple answer (Yes or No), and it gets spun like this. Meanwhile, I'm the one accused of "spinning." The only interest I have in this stock is as a bystander. If people want to dump their money in here, that's there own problem.


quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by TaxBack04:

quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Thank you for a non-response.

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Thank You, you are very generous.


Kevin Bailey
I love how I pose a simple question, with a simple answer (Yes or No), and it gets spun like this. Meanwhile, I'm the one accused of "spinning." The only interest I have in this stock is as a bystander. If people want to dump their money in here, that's there own problem.


quote:
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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

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Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Standby,bye,bye,bye,

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Thank you for a non-response.

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Thank You, you are very generous.


Kevin Bailey
I love how I pose a simple question, with a simple answer (Yes or No), and it gets spun like this. Meanwhile, I'm the one accused of "spinning." The only interest I have in this stock is as a bystander. If people want to dump their money in here, that's there own problem.


quote:
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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

quote:
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Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?



 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Thank you for a non-response.

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Thank You, you are very generous.


Kevin Bailey
I love how I pose a simple question, with a simple answer (Yes or No), and it gets spun like this. Meanwhile, I'm the one accused of "spinning." The only interest I have in this stock is as a bystander. If people want to dump their money in here, that's there own problem.


quote:
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Originally posted by TaxBack04:

quote:
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Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?


Kevin,

My spin is this; Tut AKA John Arlitt will have more of an impact on CSHD in 1 week than the previous CEO's had in 2 months.

He knows shareholders are in need of information regarding everything that has and will transpire.

Only a select few were b*tching about Tut posting.
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Do you even know what you wrote? You asked two questions.

" If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?"

The first one is an open ended question, the 2nd is a yes or no question.

I will answer your first question with a yes or no, you tell me if it makes sense.


"If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good?"

Yes.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
[QB] I love how I pose a simple question, with a simple answer (Yes or No), and it gets spun like this. Meanwhile, I'm the one accused of "spinning." The only interest I have in this stock is as a bystander. If people want to dump their money in here, that's there own problem.
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
yes, i posted the info yesterday morning:

http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/comdoc.nsf/AllByUNID/AB73E57D0DEEEBFB88256A6B0079E8BC?open document

Document Sub-category:Settlements (Without a Hearing) Document No.:1998/08/12 Subject:ARLITT FINANCIAL CORPORATION, et. al. [Agreed Stmt] Amendments: Published Date: 08/14/1998 Effective Date:08/12/1998

http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/uploadedFiles/AnnualReport_1999.pdf

A r l i t t F i n a n c i a l C o r p o r a t i o n a n d Jo h n L o u i s A r l i t t

conduct: making misrepresentations with the intention of affecting a trade in a security; failure to properly designate records prepared as part of investor relations activities; advising without registration.

sanction : undertaking to comply with the legislation and policies; payment of $5,000.


--> ooooooooooo sounds ominious. NOT.

he wrote about a company after they let him go from his PR contract. big whoopie deal. most importantly HE COOPERATED WITH THE INVESTIGATORS.


here are the details for those that didnt click the link:


The following agreement has been reached between Arlitt Financial Corporation (the “Issuer”), John Louis Arlitt (“Arlitt”) and the Executive Director:

1. As the basis for the order and undertakings referred to below, the Issuer and Arlitt acknowledge the following facts as correct:

(a) the Issuer is incorporated under the Company Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 62 on July 15, 1998. John Louis Arlitt is the president of the Issuer;

(b) Arlitt utilizes the name of the Issuer on material that he disseminates;

(c) on December 8, 1998, Arlitt signed a public relations agreement, on behalf of the Issuer with Consolidated Interstat Ventures Inc. (“Interstat”), which is a reporting issuer in British Columbia;

(d) on March 17, 1998, Interstat sent a letter to the Issuer stating that the existing public relations agreement was discontinued;

(e) on February 1 and 10 , 1998 and March 1 and 10, 1998, the Issuer and Arlitt prepared and disseminated to persons in British Columbia and to others documents titled, “The Professional Trader” (the “Trader”), which related the affairs of Interstat;

(f) the Trader contained statements relating to Interstat that were made with the intention of effecting a trade in a security, which the Issuer and Arlitt knew or ought reasonably to have known were misrepresentations, contrary to section 50(1)(d) of the Securities Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 418 (the “Act”);

(g) the Trader failed to disclose that it was issued on behalf of Interstat, contrary to section 52(2) of the Act.

(h) in February and March of 1998, neither the Issuer nor Arlitt were registered in any capacity under the Act; and

(i) in March 1998, on at least two separate occasions, Arlitt advised a person to purchase the securities of Interstat, contrary to section 34(1)(a) and(c) of the Act.

(j) Staff of the British Columbia Securities Commission (the “Commission”) acknowledges that the Issuer and Arlitt have co-operated fully in providing information with respect to this matter.


2. The Issuer and Arlitt undertake to:

(a) permanently refrain from distributing any copies of the February 1 and 10, 1998 and March 1 and 10, 1998 copies of the Trader;

(b) comply fully with the provisions of the Act, Securities Rules, all applicable securities regulations, all policies, guidelines, notices and rulings issued by the British Columbia Securities Commission (the “Commission”) from the date of this agreement; and

(c) pay the sum of $5,000.00 to the Commission.

~BB

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
anyone see this????? wtf?


http://www.bcsc.bc.ca/disciplined_person.asp?id=949


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Glad you liked it Kevin... and good use of the word "spun". [Smile]

You are a bystander? Last time I checked that describes a person who stands by and just watches or witnesses an event or happening. On a stock thread that is called "lurking". No I think a more appropriate term for your participation on this board is a "heckler".

That is like calling the guy in the crowd at a building blaze who is singing "The roof, the roof is on fire" offering other crowd members smokes, and squirt guns full of kerosene a bystander.

Don't get me wrong, I like your participation, but you are hardly a bystander.
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
" If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?"

it can be good in that Tut/John/MrCEO has continued to follow, post on & support this stock through ups and downs. therefore he must have a significant interest in it, and therein lies his motivation to pick the company up out of its current puddle.

i dont believe the vague platitudes were the reason for pizzing, i believe it was the lack of information and period of silence coming from previous company mgmt during turbulent times that created anger in the shareholders - which had to be directed somewhere, hence it was directed to the only person who seemed to have any information, vague as it was.

Tut/John/MrCEO's hands have been tied much the same as our own. I'm hoping he is as happy as one of us would be to get in there and get this investment back in order.

May as well see it as a positive. There's no reason to believe otherwise, and if you do... sell [Smile]


~BB
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Surf- Spin the BABY bottle?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Surf- Spin the BABY bottle?

LOL [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] . Yea thats more like it.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
(c) on December 8, 1998, Arlitt signed a public relations agreement, on behalf of the Issuer with Consolidated Interstat Ventures Inc. (“Interstat”), which is a reporting issuer in British Columbia;

(d) on March 17, 1998, Interstat sent a letter to the Issuer stating that the existing public relations agreement was discontinued;

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I may be reading this wrong but does it state that he signed the agreement after the company discontinued the agreement?

But, the bottom line is that he apparently agreed with the findings of the following:

(f) the Trader contained statements relating to Interstat that were made with the intention of effecting a trade in a security, which the Issuer and Arlitt knew or ought reasonably to have known were misrepresentations, contrary to section 50(1)(d) of the Securities Act, R.S.B.C. 1996, c. 418 (the “Act”);

(g) the Trader failed to disclose that it was issued on behalf of Interstat, contrary to section 52(2) of the Act.

(h) in February and March of 1998, neither the Issuer nor Arlitt were registered in any capacity under the Act; and

(i) in March 1998, on at least two separate occasions, Arlitt advised a person to purchase the securities of Interstat, contrary to section 34(1)(a) and(c) of the Act.

-----------------------------------------------

He got caught and admitted it. Maybe the penalty would have been much harsher if he hadn't agreed IMO. This does not make him any less guilty. This is what I consider to be a major fact of his past that deserves to be dd'ed and brought to the table. Poo-poo the offense all you want but the phrase "Arlitt knew or ought reasonably to have known" indicates to me he did it intentionally or he's not knowledgeable as he should be in these situations -- both wrong for being a CEO of a company -- IMHO
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Strip spin the bottle?

Hey, count me in! I just got my back hair permed, a Brazilian bikini wax, and I am feeling lucky!
[Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Surf- Spin the BABY bottle?


 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yes, the answer is, or in this cast isnt....vague platitudes. [Razz]
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
sorry to interject between waxing and babies...


BUT wv1973 it reads to me as if Arlitt promoted the stock of a company for which he was in charge of public relations without disclosing to the public he was being paid.

that's my simple input - i did my DD and came up with nothing further, not in the 8 years following...

~BB
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Strip spin the bottle?

Hey, count me in! I just got my back hair permed, a Brazilian bikini wax, and I am feeling lucky!
[Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Surf- Spin the BABY bottle?


Suddenly I see in my minds eye...

I big Texan with lipstick smeared on and wearing an off color, dirty ripped dress that doesn't fit, and wearing flats instead of the classic high-heels, -standing outside his/her..."their" trailor...

"It's NOT pretty" [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

LOL jk ~~
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
betting babe said:
BUT wv1973 it reads to me as if Arlitt promoted the stock of a company for which he was in charge of public relations without disclosing to the public he was being paid.

that's my simple input - i did my DD and came up with nothing further, not in the 8 years following...
-----------------------------------------------

I don't follow -- paid not paid -- he made statements effecting the trade of a security which were misrepresentations. I don't know -- call me crazy -- I don't consider that minor. He violated the ACT.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
sorry to interject between waxing and babies...


BUT wv1973 it reads to me as if Arlitt promoted the stock of a company for which he was in charge of public relations without disclosing to the public he was being paid.

that's my simple input - i did my DD and came up with nothing further, not in the 8 years following...

~BB

Like a speeding ticket ~
I didn't think it was that big a deal either...

I wish he was PERFECT like me (ha!) -but oh well [Smile]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:

He got caught and admitted it. Maybe the penalty would have been much harsher if he hadn't agreed IMO. This does not make him any less guilty. This is what I consider to be a major fact of his past that deserves to be dd'ed and brought to the table. Poo-poo the offense all you want but the phrase "Arlitt knew or ought reasonably to have known" indicates to me he did it intentionally or he's not knowledgeable as he should be in these situations -- both wrong for being a CEO of a company -- IMHO

Well then go DD it and bring back your findings if you feel the need. Or you could just ask John flat out and see if the answer he gives you is satisfactory.

I know we all had issue with Rufus's dealings with Greenleaf until the question was asked of Rufus directly. His response made sense, seemed reasonable and it left the issue in the past for many.

Or... you can publically persecute him in a forum where you know he is not going to defend himself and just asume everyone is going to eventually listen to your remarks.

We have looked into the information, the fine was miniscule, and the dispute was satisfied and fines paid.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, wv i can see where you are going with this. John Arlitt was fined $5000 for what i consider a fairly minor offense. So, in your opinion he is a marked man now and shouldnt be considered as CEO for CSHD?

Yea, i follow ya. Read this article just for giggles and tell me what you think.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/03/tech/main615261.shtml
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
-I could see raising an eyebrow if John did this MULTIPLE times...

But this is like it for "dirt"

If I were a CEO...

You would see pictures of me helping Nuns cross the street who are carrying kittens......

-riiiiiiight ~ [Big Grin]
 
Posted by dog on :
 
Hey WV1973.....

Pick your top 3 favorite CEO's...

DD their pasts for "red flags"...

Let us know how many have perfect track records...


Later...
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
i really think this is being blown out of proportion unless further DD reveals more serious charges.

"Arlitt knew or ought reasonably to have known were misrepresentations"

ive said a lotta stuff in my days, done a lotta stuff in my days, that i outta known better than to say or do.

and if i get called on it, i say woooops, mea culpa, clear the air. [Embarrassed]

this wasnt a class action lawsuit. it is no enron.


moving on...
~BB
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Here are some "RED FLAGS" LMAO ~~

-I'll give Rufus the bene of the doubt yet....

 -

"NO John here!!" [Big Grin]
 
Posted by dog on :
 
Indeed BB.... howdy, hope all is well.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Taxback04

1. Of course I expect people to listen to the remarks, but I don't expect everyone to agree. That is one of the reasons this board is in existence.

2. There were also Rufus' dealings with BBAN, but that's another issue. The point is that Rufus was a liar, conman and could come up with reasonable explanations that people wanted to hear. If history has taught you anything, it is not to go down the same path if you expect different results. Because of his past, I will not take Arlitt at his word, printed or oral, until I see positive action.

3. Presenting past facts is not publically persecuting anyone.

There are those who have also looked at the information and not considered them minor. And no matter what some of you say -- like it is "now resolved" -- it is not. There are two sides to this. I see it one way and you see it another.

Show me da law firm.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Here are some "RED FLAGS" LMAO ~~

-I'll give Rufus the bene of the doubt yet....

 -

"NO John here!!" [Big Grin]

This has to be THE GREATEST POST ever.. or at least, winner, 2006.
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
We sure wouldnt want that guy for ceo cat
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Not any more...now Rufus is back on the page...WTF???

quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Changes are effecting to the CVSU website on the Executives tab..........Romeo V. is no longer listed..........below is what show now.
.
.
.
"Current Directors and Officers

John L. Arlitt, Chairman and CEO

(We are currently updating our information, please be patient.)


Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

www.cvsu.us
Phone: (404) 393-9824
Fax: (404) 393-9824

Contactus*CSHD.US "


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Thought we needed a laugh ~ [Big Grin]

Straight up, I like John, seems to be ok from what I "think" I know...

I like what he's doing so far, -remember there is a distance issue here to, yet already PR's on progress...

Stay Frosty ~
FAR from over IMO [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Actually WV there is nothing anywhere that states as FACT that Rufus is / was / ever intends to be a liar or a conman.

You talk about spin....THATS a spin of yours. You find me documentation where Rufus Paul Harris was found guilty of the crimes you have charged him with then we will talk.

IMO you should not be permitted to spread your version of the truth the way you have been. Longs on this board are constantly responding to your posts ONLY because they want to be sure "lurkers" are getting facts and not just what you have to say.

Not to mention, you shifted your efforts on Rufus now and we were discussing John. Did you run out of "facts" about Mr Alitt?

Your facts are weak...period
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Taxback04

1. Of course I expect people to listen to the remarks, but I don't expect everyone to agree. That is one of the reasons this board is in existence.

2. There were also Rufus' dealings with BBAN, but that's another issue. The point is that Rufus was a liar, conman and could come up with reasonable explanations that people wanted to hear. If history has taught you anything, it is not to go down the same path if you expect different results. Because of his past, I will not take Arlitt at his word, printed or oral, until I see positive action.

3. Presenting past facts is not publically persecuting anyone.

There are those who have also looked at the information and not considered them minor. And no matter what some of you say -- like it is "now resolved" -- it is not. There are two sides to this. I see it one way and you see it another.

Show me da law firm.

Did you write the Scarlett Letter??

Regardless, we know your position on this issue.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Not any more...now Rufus is back on the page...WTF???

quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Changes are effecting to the CVSU website on the Executives tab..........Romeo V. is no longer listed..........below is what show now.
.
.
.
"Current Directors and Officers

John L. Arlitt, Chairman and CEO

(We are currently updating our information, please be patient.)


Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

www.cvsu.us
Phone: (404) 393-9824
Fax: (404) 393-9824

Contactus*CSHD.US "


LOL, this just keeps getting weirder. I wouldn't be suprised if a PR came out today saying Rufus is back as CEO.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Okay Catia and others. I see your point. So let's move forward and hope that you are correct -- nobody's perfect. Let's see the name of the law firm. Let's see the 6 to 1 in our accounts w/o hassles or excuses. WTF do we have to loose no anyway?????????????? LMAO.

I hope you don't blame me for being skeptical, but I still believe caution is the word.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
We sure wouldnt want that guy for ceo cat

Exactly, Bill Gates is nothing but a failure obviously. He even has "dirt" in his past. [Smile]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Not any more...now Rufus is back on the page...WTF???

quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Changes are effecting to the CVSU website on the Executives tab..........Romeo V. is no longer listed..........below is what show now.
.
.
.
"Current Directors and Officers

John L. Arlitt, Chairman and CEO

(We are currently updating our information, please be patient.)


Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

www.cvsu.us
Phone: (404) 393-9824
Fax: (404) 393-9824

Contactus*CSHD.US "


You're NOT KIDDING!!

WTH is that!
Someone hack the site?!!
 
Posted by Sandusky on :
 
Am I way behind? What's with the note to shareholders on the site?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Chart I was wondering when you were going to use that pic I sent you! LMAO!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
To: The Share Holders





From: Rufus Paul Harris

Chief Executive Officer

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp





Subject: Resent events



This is very interesting and cool stuff, watch and document.



-S- Rufus Paul Harris

Chief Executive Officer
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Okay Catia and others. I see your point. So let's move forward and hope that you are correct -- nobody's perfect. Let's see the name of the law firm. Let's see the 6 to 1 in our accounts w/o hassles or excuses. WTF do we have to loose no anyway?????????????? LMAO.

I hope you don't blame me for being skeptical, but I still believe caution is the word.

Actually, im extremely skeptical these days. I see nothing wrong with it as long as i try to stick to the facts and it is often difficult. Ive kept most of it off the board too because its mostly just my emotions speaking out. CSHD has been very dicey and i think we all expect skepticism IMO.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
To: The Share Holders





From: Rufus Paul Harris

Chief Executive Officer

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp





Subject: Resent events











This is very interesting and cool stuff, watch and document.











-S- Rufus Paul Harris

Chief Executive Officer



Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

www.cvsu.us
Phone: (404) 393-9824
Fax: (404) 393-9824

Contactus*CSHD.US

Copyright © 2006 Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.



I must say that I haven't been paying close attention to the website but I found this under note to the shareholders. Is this new or has it been there for a while.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
How is this for news....I got a letter from the Atlanta division of the SEC today. My congressman did contact them regarding my letter, and they responded in writing with a copy to me. Basically just outlined their entire case against CSHD, and one thing was clear -- they pursued the case in court because Rufus and/or CSHD did not supply them with any cause to say "hey, these are real"....FWIW
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
What is Rufus doing on there again.
It just said John Arlitt an hour ago.
I don't want Rufus's game any more personally. I'm starting to get real nervous and suspicious of him now. There must be a guillotine he can go stick his head in without taking us down with him.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sandusky:
Am I way behind? What's with the note to shareholders on the site?

First time i'm seeing it. And you know rufus definitely wrote it. He misspelled "resent", lol.
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
I see it also.....the website now states only RPH's name as CEO, and Romeo V. is not listed on the page either........like everyone else is wondering, what kind of chages are going on.....it is just adding more confusion..
.
. !!! or maybe he he........
[Roll Eyes] [Confused]
.
.
this will not help the pps move up.


quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Not any more...now Rufus is back on the page...WTF???

quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Changes are effecting to the CVSU website on the Executives tab..........Romeo V. is no longer listed..........below is what show now.
.
.
.
"Current Directors and Officers

John L. Arlitt, Chairman and CEO

(We are currently updating our information, please be patient.)


Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

www.cvsu.us
Phone: (404) 393-9824
Fax: (404) 393-9824

Contactus*CSHD.US "



 
Posted by Sandusky on :
 
"Resent events"

I do...I do.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Sandusky:
Am I way behind? What's with the note to shareholders on the site?

WTH? That is weird!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Okay Catia and others. I see your point. So let's move forward and hope that you are correct -- nobody's perfect. Let's see the name of the law firm. Let's see the 6 to 1 in our accounts w/o hassles or excuses. WTF do we have to loose no anyway?????????????? LMAO.

I hope you don't blame me for being skeptical, but I still believe caution is the word.

Actually, im extremely skeptical these days. I see nothing wrong with it as long as i try to stick to the facts and it is often difficult. Ive kept most of it off the board too because its mostly just my emotions speaking out. CSHD has been very dicey and i think we all expect skepticism IMO.
I agree with you Cat. I also have kept much of my thoughts and speculation off the board, since it would just be counter productive.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
" I need a drink!" lol ~~
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok, wv i can see where you are going with this. John Arlitt was fined $5000 for what i consider a fairly minor offense. So, in your opinion he is a marked man now and shouldnt be considered as CEO for CSHD?

Yea, i follow ya. Read this article just for giggles and tell me what you think.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/03/tech/main615261.shtml

Good find.I know I got a giggle out of it. You are always good on the DD you find.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
" I need a drink!" lol ~~

I've got the Jack!
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
I guess rufus read my post. He updated the letter to correctly spell recent, way to go!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
WALLY!! You lurker!! [Smile]

Ok, got me a screenshot of the note from Rufus and documenting it. Its page one of my book. heh
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Tell him he missed another one - "Share Holders" [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
I guess rufus read my post. He updated the letter to correctly spell recent, way to go!


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
" I need a drink!" lol ~~

I've got the Jack!
I heard that! [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Strip spin the bottle?

Hey, count me in! I just got my back hair permed, a Brazilian bikini wax, and I am feeling lucky!
[Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Surf- Spin the BABY bottle?


That's Hysterical!!!!
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Tell him he missed another one - "Share Holders" [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
I guess rufus read my post. He updated the letter to correctly spell recent, way to go!


I dont think thats a misspelling, probably more along the lines that the navigation frame isn't wide enough to accommodate that many letters.
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Tell him he missed another one - "Share Holders" [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
I guess rufus read my post. He updated the letter to correctly spell recent, way to go!


Ya, it should read:

"Bag Holders"
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I do not think RPH posted that on the website. Nowhere do I read his trademark paranoia and there is only one misspelled word. [Eek!]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Originally posted by wv1973:
Taxback04

1. Of course I expect people to listen to the remarks, but I don't expect everyone to agree. That is one of the reasons this board is in existence.

That is laughable... No one listens to posters on a stock thread. If they do then they deserve to lose there money. You opinion is just that... your opinion. You want good stock advice hire someone trained in the field to give you their opinion. They have titles like Financial Advisors, and if they recomend any penny stock to you, find a new one!

2. There were also Rufus' dealings with BBAN, but that's another issue. The point is that Rufus was a liar, conman and could come up with reasonable explanations that people wanted to hear. If history has taught you anything, it is not to go down the same path if you expect different results. Because of his past, I will not take Arlitt at his word, printed or oral, until I see positive action.

The last time Rufus had "control" of this stock it was still up near some 200% from when he first entered FHAL. People keep talking frawd, and criminal intent with out a shred of proof of his crime. If he took the money from the shareholders, then point me to the money, and we will go after it together. So far he is just a guy with big ideas that did not execute them.

3. Presenting past facts is not publically persecuting anyone.

Presenting FACT is not, but adding SPIN to it. So that a minor infraction with co-operation and small fine paid appears as a criminal stigmata is. Repeating it for several pages on a stock thread most definitely is. Pretending to be concerned for others while doing so is deceptive and doesn't help the public persecuting.

There are those who have also looked at the information and not considered them minor. And no matter what some of you say -- like it is "now resolved" -- it is not. There are two sides to this. I see it one way and you see it another.

Fine is paid and he has not done it since... it is resolved. I can't help your view point, I can just point out to others where it is flawed.

Show me da law firm.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Think they got hacked....

Yet that note is scary... sigh ~
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Jenna....PM

Subject Line: Dork


lol
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Perhaps the site was hacked???


quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Not any more...now Rufus is back on the page...WTF???

quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Changes are effecting to the CVSU website on the Executives tab..........Romeo V. is no longer listed..........below is what show now.
.
.
.
"Current Directors and Officers

John L. Arlitt, Chairman and CEO

(We are currently updating our information, please be patient.)


Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

www.cvsu.us
Phone: (404) 393-9824
Fax: (404) 393-9824

Contactus*CSHD.US "



 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
HSM deleted all of Tut's posts. FWIW
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Excuse the off topic. Hello BB,Jenna,catia,st.matt,dog ,repo,chart, portman and many more! Haven't been able to say that for a while. Its nice seeing the "old gang" even if I am mostly a lurker.haha
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
New2 call me [Smile]
 
Posted by dog on :
 
He's back..... or at least he thinks so.

I'm going to take a nap... for about 1 year.


I really can't believe this..... could be positive. LOL

"a story like that's gotta be true!" - Kramer
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
The address was removed from the website.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Jenna PM!!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Let's hope so...when you think about it, have you ever heard Rufus use the words "cool stuff" before. I know I haven't.

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Think they got hacked....

Yet that note is scary... sigh ~


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Did Chart tell you that? [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
HSM deleted all of Tut's posts. FWIW


 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
whats up with this?

All of Arlitt's/Tut's posts have been removed from HSM:
http://www.**************.com/forums/member.php?u=16135
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
whats up with this?

All of Arlitt's/Tut's posts have been removed from HSM:
http://www.**************.com/forums/member.php?u=16135

So we can start from scratch with a conventional CEO not talking on the message boards
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Jenna...PM!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Jenna PM!!


 
Posted by penny_player on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Let's hope so...when you think about it, have you ever heard Rufus use the words "cool stuff" before. I know I haven't.

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Think they got hacked....

Yet that note is scary... sigh ~


Actually, I think I did hear him say that once or twice on subpenny.
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
WTF is going on here. This is crazy.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
whats up with this?

All of Arlitt's/Tut's posts have been removed from HSM:
http://www.**************.com/forums/member.php?u=16135

So we can start from scratch with a conventional CEO not talking on the message boards
why delete the history? i guess i need to ask dogman that don't i?
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Jenna...PM!!!

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Jenna PM!!


Jenna....PM!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rufus just wants a good time i'll be glad to fly down to Georgia and drag him around behind a horse for awhile.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I got the PM's guys sorry- taken care of....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Go to defcon 4, get the president on the horn.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Did Chart tell you that? [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
HSM deleted all of Tut's posts. FWIW


No I told him that.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Go to defcon 4, get the president on the horn.

Screw the president, I'm calling in the big guns. Bring me the Terminator and Rambo.
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
did anyone notice that the note to shareholders doesn't show on the main page, but if you click on the executives link it shows up then. At least on my computer
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Looks like someone got the message....the website is changing!!!
 
Posted by BULListic on :
 
Now the company has NO executives (until the next update in a few minutes I'm sure). Who is running this ship?

quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Perhaps the site was hacked???


quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Not any more...now Rufus is back on the page...WTF???

quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Changes are effecting to the CVSU website on the Executives tab..........Romeo V. is no longer listed..........below is what show now.
.
.
.
"Current Directors and Officers

John L. Arlitt, Chairman and CEO

(We are currently updating our information, please be patient.)


Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

www.cvsu.us
Phone: (404) 393-9824
Fax: (404) 393-9824

Contactus*CSHD.US "




 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Letter is gone...and execs spot is blank...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RyanPBF:
did anyone notice that the note to shareholders doesn't show on the main page, but if you click on the executives link it shows up then. At least on my computer

No not for me Ryan - all gone....
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
To: Rufus Paul Harris


From: Shareholders of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.


Subject: Recent Events


This is NOT very interesting and / or cool stuff. We are tired of watching and just what are we supposed to document?


What the Hell is happening with our company?


Who is (currently) in charge?


Why are these games being played at our expense?


When will the crap end?


St. Matthew
Pissed off Shareholder [Mad]






Subject: Recent Events
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Ok guys I have to be honest- I am the next CEO - My first line of business:
6:1 for everyone a SEC settlement & an MM with the stating quote of $15 per share (yes, even with the 6)

Merry Christmas!

J/k
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
the exec's link and shareholders note still show up for me.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
I still see Rufus and letter...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
For me Under executives it is blank & there is no shareholders note no matter what tab I'm in....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
You need to refresh the page. Right click on the site and refresh in order to refresh that page properly
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Make sure you refresh your page if neccessary
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Are you still hearing those voices as well?
[Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
I still see Rufus and letter...


 
Posted by BULListic on :
 
No executives or letter for me, whether you use the csvu site or the wattle site (which just redirects you). Of course this info is changing by the seconds, but as of this moment, don't see either.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Igorrr, kiilll!!!!!


quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Go to defcon 4, get the president on the horn.

Screw the president, I'm calling in the big guns. Bring me the Terminator and Rambo.

 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Matt - you still here?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
I did.. but backed out and came back in and now it's gone...

What shock!...
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
Today, 03:14 PM #605
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 64 St. Matthew. Follow your leads on AS. You are getting there. You don't need to pm me. You have your answers.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I had dream last night that RPH was out visiting his beloved “Dark Chocolate” at the Equine Solutions stable. After a few minutes of main lining six IVs of Kool-Aid and freebasing dried horse $hit, he gazed deeply into Dark Chocolate’s eyes and began feeding him bales of $100 bills. With every chew, RPH whispered, “the shareholders love you”, “the shareholders love you”.

If my dream has any merit, the root of our problem appears to be “Dark Chocolate”. Is it true horsemeat is illegal now? What a shame! [Eek!]
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
St. Matt whats your leads, lol?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Hanging on by a thread...what's up?

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Matt - you still here?


 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
St. Matt -

Is TheGreaterGood high, lost his mind, or did you post something of relevance?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Originally Posted by SNP
Brownboy, the pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. You will see more of the big picture TODAY.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Excuse the off topic. Hello BB,Jenna,catia,st.matt,dog ,repo,chart, portman and many more! Haven't been able to say that for a while. Its nice seeing the "old gang" even if I am mostly a lurker.haha

And now 10of13, hello

Do you guys think the website is alittle crazy because tut is up dating it now?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
A shareholder has become CEO...wow honestly things are gonna get ugly-ER imo, this committee is smoking crack
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I would not be surprised to hear Rufus on Subpenny tonight. If Rufus did post on the CVSU website he seems to have more to say. The soap opera continues. I just want to see that CVSU, The Company, has answered the SEC in court filings. If that happens then I might have something to hang some hope on.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
A shareholder has become CEO...wow honestly things are gonna get ugly-ER imo, this committee is smoking crack

I think it was the smartest move we could have made......besides Warren Buffet
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Originally Posted by SNP
Brownboy, the pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. You will see more of the big picture TODAY.

I'm lost. Who is SNP and Brownboy?
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
I had dream last night that RPH was out visiting his beloved “Dark Chocolate” at the Equine Solutions stable. After a few minutes of main lining six IVs of Kool-Aid and freebasing dried horse $hit, he gazed deeply into Dark Chocolate’s eyes and began feeding him bales of $100 bills. With every chew, RPH whispered, “the shareholders love you”, “the shareholders love you”.

If my dream has any merit, the root of our problem appears to be “Dark Chocolate”. Is it true horsemeat is illegal now? What a shame! [Eek!]

LMAO
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Hiya!
somebody is updating it...just wish we knew who...?


quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Excuse the off topic. Hello BB,Jenna,catia,st.matt,dog ,repo,chart, portman and many more! Haven't been able to say that for a while. Its nice seeing the "old gang" even if I am mostly a lurker.haha

And now 10of13, hello

Do you guys think the website is alittle crazy because tut is up dating it now?


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Who got the gut feeling from the web site postings that we may see a PR announcing Rufus back in the saddle.

All kind of strange things happen when power plays are made, and I get the feeling John Arlitt's powerplay may not have succeeded.

This stock has drama... and is more adictive than "American Idol". HA HA!! I hate that show. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Today, 03:24 PM #653
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 67 Quote:
Originally Posted by SNP
The Greater Good.......talk to me and I will tell you how I know who you are. Please SNP

pm me. everyone else please don't pm me. i need space....
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Originally Posted by SNP
Brownboy, the pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. You will see more of the big picture TODAY.

I'm lost. Who is SNP and Brownboy?
-working on that ~ [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Need space? does he/she have PMS? Gas? WTH?
This is nuts!

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Today, 03:24 PM #653
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 67 Quote:
Originally Posted by SNP
The Greater Good.......talk to me and I will tell you how I know who you are. Please SNP

pm me. everyone else please don't pm me. i need space....


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I would not be surprised to hear Rufus on Subpenny tonight. If Rufus did post on the CVSU website he seems to have more to say. The soap opera continues. I just want to see that CVSU, The Company, has answered the SEC in court filings. If that happens then I might have something to hang some hope on.

GLTA
Wally

Wally IMO We will see JA take quick decisive action.

He is a team player.

He knows the how important the issues are with the SEC. Hell I think thats why he stepped in.

Why would he waste his time if he did'nt think he could do a better job than Rufus.

At this point its another hurry up and wait game.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
SNP = Diogenes
Brownboy = Pooh Bear

quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Originally Posted by SNP
Brownboy, the pieces of the puzzle are falling into place. You will see more of the big picture TODAY.

I'm lost. Who is SNP and Brownboy?

 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Today, 03:24 PM #653
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 67 Quote:
Originally Posted by SNP
The Greater Good.......talk to me and I will tell you how I know who you are. Please SNP

pm me. everyone else please don't pm me. i need space....

Sounds like Portman
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Who got the gut feeling from the web site postings that we may see a PR announcing Rufus back in the saddle.

All kind of strange things happen when power plays are made, and I get the feeling John Arlitt's powerplay may not have succeeded.

This stock has drama... and is more adictive than "American Idol". HA HA!! I hate that show. [Big Grin]

please dont say anything like that it makes me cringe bro....no more CEO dance-offs please...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I would not be surprised to hear Rufus on Subpenny tonight. If Rufus did post on the CVSU website he seems to have more to say. The soap opera continues. I just want to see that CVSU, The Company, has answered the SEC in court filings. If that happens then I might have something to hang some hope on.

GLTA
Wally

Wally IMO We will see JA take quick decisive action.

He is a team player.

He knows the how important the issues are with the SEC. Hell I think thats why he stepped in.

Why would he waste his time if he did'nt think he could do a better job than Rufus.

At this point its another hurry up and wait game.

An answer is needed by 12/4. It may be hurry up but there no longer is anytime to wait. There are way too many distraction and not enough action. The "committee" may have taken decisive action but the timing is critical. I don't care if Bonzo was running the company as long as he got the job done and at this point Bonzo would probably have done a better job. I still have my shares and a glimmer of hope but none of the re(c)sent events have instilled any confidence.

WE shall see.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
What a mess. You really have to tip your hat to the people who bought in back in the FHAL days when this was .10 - .20 and sold over $3. That was a great play and they can thank Rufus.

The rest of us who held, well, nothing to do but wait this out. Hopefully no one got too hurt!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I don't know...trying to find out what we are on the trail of here. But I have to go back to work...SUK!

quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
St. Matt -

Is TheGreaterGood high, lost his mind, or did you post something of relevance?


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Who got the gut feeling from the web site postings that we may see a PR announcing Rufus back in the saddle.

All kind of strange things happen when power plays are made, and I get the feeling John Arlitt's powerplay may not have succeeded.

This stock has drama... and is more adictive than "American Idol". HA HA!! I hate that show. [Big Grin]

please dont say anything like that it makes me cringe bro....no more CEO dance-offs please...
Funny - If this is like American Idol - well, we already have our own Simon & I think we have a Paula....any Randy's out there?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I think he was referring to us...here at Allstocks...we must be on to something...LOL...congrats!


quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
St. Matt -

Is TheGreaterGood high, lost his mind, or did you post something of relevance?


 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Randy Repoman75
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Stocktrader2006- Nigel
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Stocktrader2006- Nigel

What?
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
How is this for news....I got a letter from the Atlanta division of the SEC today. My congressman did contact them regarding my letter, and they responded in writing with a copy to me. Basically just outlined their entire case against CSHD, and one thing was clear -- they pursued the case in court because Rufus and/or CSHD did not supply them with any cause to say "hey, these are real"....FWIW

BUMP - I'm surprised there wasn't a single comment on this...proves our letters are at least doing something...
 
Posted by ww2player on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Let's hope so...when you think about it, have you ever heard Rufus use the words "cool stuff" before. I know I haven't.

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Think they got hacked....

Yet that note is scary... sigh ~


maybe this is the post thegreatergood was refering too..
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Thanks Chartwalker. [Smile]
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Originally posted:

wv1973
Member


Member Rated:
posted November 29, 2006 13:25
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Okay Catia and others. I see your point. So let's move forward and hope that you are correct -- nobody's perfect. Let's see the name of the law firm. Let's see the 6 to 1 in our accounts w/o hassles or excuses. WTF do we have to loose no anyway?????????????? LMAO.

I hope you don't blame me for being skeptical, but I still believe caution is the word.

---------------------------------------------
Taxback, what was the purpose of your tirade on me a full 30 minutes after I conceded that I would bow to those who felt that the past wasn't so bad? You see I did listen to what I had read. There are others who read, hear and listen on this board as well.

Your opinion is just that -- your opinion. If you don't believe people "listen" to you, then why post? Are you the self-proclaimed God that will protect all the lesser, ignorant, naive infidels on this board who you feel can't comprehend and form their own opinions? OOOOOOOOOOOO I'm not going to let that person get away with saying that OOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Give it a rest!

Besides, we may have to talk about Rufus again. lmao.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
After doing that, also let us know how many of them waded into the cesspool that is the grey market scam companies.

quote:
Originally posted by dog:
Hey WV1973.....

Pick your top 3 favorite CEO's...

DD their pasts for "red flags"...

Let us know how many have perfect track records...


Later...


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Yesterday, 03:45 PM #1197
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 67 Do not listen to the bashers. They are getting desperate. Their time is up. There is a higher power involved that you will not know about. Even your wildest theories will seem like child's play compared to what is actually happening. Concentrate on the green...
=============================================
Yesterday, 04:16 PM #1328
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 67 Connect the dots. Where are the bonds, ucc notes coming from??? Euroclear is a dead giveaway. Concentrate on the last 10k and what those assets were. Connect RICO. Connect to what is happening now in the market. Connect new trading platforms and our "credits". Connect Rufus' political connections. DD the judge. Let's see if you can find out who is pulling the strings. You won't. Read the shc letters and pay attention to what Rufus is saying and connect the dots. You are fine...in the end counting the numbers is what matters most. will you even remember how you got there?
====================================

FWIW ~~

Looks like Tut's posts and even links are gone, deleted by the Mods. Yet he is still a registered poster.... hmmmm.... ?

Stinking like MN 1 over there...

Taxback -you get anything out of this?...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Do you even know what you wrote? You asked two questions.

" If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good? Weren't a lot of you pissed off at him for posting vague platitudes to the message boards?"

The first one is an open ended question, the 2nd is a yes or no question.

I will answer your first question with a yes or no, you tell me if it makes sense.


"If this new CEO is Tut, how can that be good?"

Yes.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
[QB] I love how I pose a simple question, with a simple answer (Yes or No), and it gets spun like this. Meanwhile, I'm the one accused of "spinning." The only interest I have in this stock is as a bystander. If people want to dump their money in here, that's there own problem.

Wrong. The first was a rhetorical question. The second (which I wanted an answer to) was a yes or no question.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Stocktrader2006- Nigel

What?
]

Nigel Lithgoe - producer - never mind! too OT
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Sherri...I didn't see this post...and yes it good that the letters are getting heard?read...BUT? is anything being done about it?
Hope the baby is feeling better...



quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
How is this for news....I got a letter from the Atlanta division of the SEC today. My congressman did contact them regarding my letter, and they responded in writing with a copy to me. Basically just outlined their entire case against CSHD, and one thing was clear -- they pursued the case in court because Rufus and/or CSHD did not supply them with any cause to say "hey, these are real"....FWIW

BUMP - I'm surprised there wasn't a single comment on this...proves our letters are at least doing something...

 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Sorry SherriT ~ Yes the response was great news, and I also recieved one back from my congressman. Which apeared to be a general form letter about how he is concerned about the same things I am concerned about and he is fighting the good fight for me... Blagh blagh blagh...

So I am happy yours got all the way to Alana. Good going.

Personally I think I want to vote for your congressman next time. Can I do that? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Maybe tut requested his posts from HSM be deleted since he is now the CEO...and it is as simple as that?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Sherri - hopefully JA will prove it & take care of this crap- seems like it should be an easy fix but of course nothin is easy about CSHD & of course I don't know Jack about Bonds....

thanks for sharing that with us... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
ok, here's one...

-Euroclear
-New World Marketplace
-New INTERNATIONAL trading platforms


-"New Exchange" coming of age?...
One that handles "CARBON CREDITS?" [Big Grin]

Is this what it's all about?....

If so..........."BOOM!!!" -will be the understatement of the year ~
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
How come when I try to check the cvsu website it's blank & says:

To help protect your security, your web browser blocked this site from downloading files from your computer?

What do I do?
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Trading cow farts? We are golden! [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
ok, here's one...

-Euroclear
-New World Marketplace
-New INTERNATIONAL trading platforms


-"New Exchange" coming of age?...
One that handles "CARBON CREDITS?" [Big Grin]

Is this what it's all about?....

If so..........."BOOM!!!" -will be the understatement of the year ~


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
How come when I try to check the cvsu website it's blank & says:

To help protect your security, your web browser blocked this site from downloading files from your computer?

What do I do?

Never mind I got it....
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
LMAO Texas $$!! ha ha ~~
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
No trades in over an hour...?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
ok, here's one...

-Euroclear
-New World Marketplace
-New INTERNATIONAL trading platforms


-"New Exchange" coming of age?...
One that handles "CARBON CREDITS?" [Big Grin]

Is this what it's all about?....

If so..........."BOOM!!!" -will be the understatement of the year ~

Hmmm
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
This is all just friggin weird! Chart do you have the Rolaids? [Smile]
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Let’s change that. I will put in a sell at $100 and you put in a buy. How does 50,000 shares sound? [Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
No trades in over an hour...?


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Chart ~ I think this is more speculation of that one mystery person that Rufus pissed off. Rufus said a while back that he was talking to someone that he held in HIGH regard. And this person even told Rufus to find out who’s Wheaties he pissed in and to apologize to them quickly. Rufus seemed to think this advice had some serious weight to it.

It all points to higher power, and unfortunately to us on the outside looking in. It appears to be very similar to Mel Gibson’s movie Conspiracy Theory. Are there people pulling the strings SURE... will we ever know who they are? No. I think that is what makes the theory a theory. If it was fact then we would have nothing to speculate, and the motives would be too clear to make the desired impact.

I expect News, and soon. I think we are witnessing a bit of a power struggle today, but in the end it will be Rufus and his mystery boss who will get the gold. they have already shown us that they were prepared for shorty, and I think after researching BBAN they were ready for Sabra, and John... the real question is were they ready for the SEC. Outside looking in it appears they were not, but who knows what is happening beneath the surface.

I like the drama tho. I think we got a heck of a lot of news coming our way.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
This is all just friggin weird! Chart do you have the Rolaids? [Smile]

"Had" -keyword there [Big Grin]

hmmmm ~
-what a day indeed.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
I hear you Taxback...

SOMETHING brewing for sure!
Air is THICK with it ~

Just hope it's good...

I do believe (just my gut, but it's hardly EVER wrong) that it won't be a small thing. Either we will be PURE GOLDEN and I mean goooolden,
or PURE CHIT.

No middle road to this...
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
How long is your gut telling you before things are revealed?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Believe it or not, i've trying to buy all day...started off looking for something at .16, I'm up to .20 now and still nothing...

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
No trades in over an hour...?


 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I think we are going to merge with Walt Disney and Goofy will be named CEO. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
I hear you Taxback...

SOMETHING brewing for sure!
Air is THICK with it ~

Just hope it's good...

I do believe (just my gut, but it's hardly EVER wrong) that it won't be a small thing. Either we will be PURE GOLDEN and I mean goooolden,
or PURE CHIT.

No middle road to this...


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Try .19 and leave it...
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
Believe it or not, i've trying to buy all day...started off looking for something at .16, I'm up to .20 now and still nothing...

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
No trades in over an hour...?



 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
.25
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
We're up to .25
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
[Eek!] .25...
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
We'er Golden!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LOL
Going once
going twice
three times?
Sold!...25...!
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
With the amount of "noise" out there, I think something is in the works right now.

EOW -just a guesstamation ~ [Big Grin]

It sounds like something very stressful happened, or is happening, -trouble is I don't know if it will play out to our benefit yet or not...

I think it will ~
If it is good we will see the price pop IMO...

We "were" headed back into the .20's

-anyone notice the "thegreatergood" post's have been changed to ALL smiley faces?....

-Tut posts get deleted...
-Thegreatergood's words turn into smiley faces...

wth?????????
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
no chit .25!!! [Big Grin]

yes!!!
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
Looking for that EOD BIG TRADE with more news to follow...
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
-someone just bought $7500 worth at .25!

See, someone knows something......
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
HOLY CRAP we`er back up to minus 87 percent since the suspension!!! LOL!!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
anyone got a quick summary on the day? I am in Pittsburgh meeting and unable to dig deep into the thread!

Going through cshd withdrawls [Smile]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Someone txt'd me and said somthing about a message to shareholders and some other stuff up on the website momentarily-

Anything exciting?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
alot of guess work Frank, enjoy your time away!
And the .25 PPS! [Smile]

Watch the wires...
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Told you we were on our way back into the 20's [Smile]

I'm glad that whatever is brewing out there, seems to be helping us!! [Smile]

Guess I'll have to call this another good day ~
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
3rd straight day of green? 3 day rule? Big selloff tomorrow? LOL.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
The PPS no longer has any meaning to me...I've been trying to buy more all day, for about last twenty minutes I was above the ask by at least .10, and still nothing...

No one wants my money...
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
50,000 share trade just went through....
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Trade at .30 for 100 shares, noice!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
.30 after the bell
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
crab/RushDaBus

VERY interesting in deed.........................
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
Hey gang, nice to see everyones spirits up!! Any word if we're still having the SHM on the 17th in DC???
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
When was the last time any of ya'll were actually able to purchase? I'm not even asking for alot...all I wanted was 10 more K...
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
Do you think this is action from the Berlin Exchange? Can grey sheets be traded on international markets?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
When was the last time any of ya'll were actually able to purchase? I'm not even asking for alot...all I wanted was 10 more K...

I think the ASK price is alot higher now...
JMO.

-and I say that because of the rounding up pattern in the charts... And if there is something brewing...

Well, If I don't have my internet connection fixed at home, then I'll see you all tomorrow Board ~
 
Posted by Tmoney on :
 
hey guys isnt it rufus birthday tomorrow
 
Posted by Goodones on :
 
Something is up. Keep checking the wires.
 
Posted by urbright on :
 
Anybody know why my L2's show last price * .3, but pinksheets.com, etrade, and otcbb.com show last price .21????
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Check pinksheets again...there's a 20 minutre delay...
quote:
Originally posted by urbright:
Anybody know why my L2's show last price * .3, but pinksheets.com, etrade, and otcbb.com show last price .21????


 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Etrade, yahoo, and msn all say .21 as the closing price. The .25 and .30 trades were after 4 p.m. even if they were only a couple seconds after.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
The SEC doesnt just pick on the pennies. Just look at this news release.......

https://www.etrade.wallst.com/v1/stocks/news/news_story.asp?docKey=354-N27483439 -5V9PF3TASKIHHK5VKIEKGUTPNJ&DMSourceID=RTRIDS&Source=Reuters&docDate=2006-11-27% 2018:26:00&headline=Warren%20Buffett%20discloses%20more%20after%20SEC%20request& refSymbols=|US;BRK.A|US;BRK.B|&
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
Catia,
login required
 
Posted by Tyraid on :
 
Catia,

The link doesnt work. Just sends you to etrade login and even if you are logged in it just sends you back to the login screen
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
I just caught up on today - weird stuff!!

Who is thegreatergood?
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
A couple pages back some re-posted something from Rufus about "cool stuff..." Where did that come from? Did Rufus post somewhere?
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
Tomorrow may be golden...........
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
I just caught up on today - weird stuff!!

Who is thegreatergood?

That question has yet to be answered!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/filings_by_name.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilena me%3D0001297077%252D06%252D000095%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2006%255C11%255C29%2 55C&symbol=furia
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
8K
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Is everyone sleeping?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Check your mail

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Is everyone sleeping?


 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
8K

good. things continue to move along
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
No just snoopin the rest of the web. Saw the 8K... how about some more?
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
OK, I've finally caught up ... been busy ... I have made buys ... 2800 at .30 and 4900 at .21 about 10 days ago. Lot's of stuff going on ... appreciate all the dd you guys ... still hugging the bonds! GLTYA!
 
Posted by portman on :
 
[Smile]
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
blah blah 8k...

wonder when this will be filed --> RESOLVED FURTHER, that the Company file an amended Annual 10-KSB and the September 30, 2006 Quarterly 10-QSB with the Securities and Exchange Commission as soon as possible.

RESOLVED FURTHER, that the Company terminate all existing employment agreements, and authorizes the new Board of Directors to negotiate employment agreements with new management as deemed necessary.

does this mean mike alexander too? --> RESOLVED FURTHER, that John Arlitt, as sole director, be authorized to cancel shares of common stock issued to the replaced board of directors and management as he deems equitable.


Biography on John Arlitt
• Over 20 years of extensive experience in the financial industry as President/CEO of Arlitt Financial Corporation wholly owned by John L. Arlitt.
• Assisted in financial consulting and financing of numerous public companies through my own company Arlitt Financial Corporation.
• Served as President and Director of numerous public companies.
• 1987 to 1990 served as Account Executive with both Georgia Pacific Securities and Jones Gable and Co. both full service brokerage firms in Vancouver, B.C., Canada.
• Directors and Officers Certificate and Certificate for Strategic Management from Simon Fraser University, Vancouver, B.C.


~BB
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Bump...from yesterday.

Check this out...we might have some work to do...connecting dots.

Today, 02:16 PM #1328

TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 61

Do not listen to the bashers. They are getting desperate. Their time is up. There is a higher power involved that you will not know about. Even your wildest theories will seem like child's play compared to what is actually happening. Concentrate on the green...

Connect the dots. Where are the bonds, ucc notes coming from??? Euroclear is a dead giveaway. Concentrate on the last 10k and what those assets were. Connect RICO. Connect to what is happening now in the market. Connect new trading platforms and our "credits". Connect Rufus' political connections. DD the judge. Let's see if you can find out who is pulling the strings. You won't. Read the shc letters and pay attention to what Rufus is saying and connect the dots. You are fine...in the end counting the numbers is what matters most. will you even remember how you got there?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------

OK...here is what I find extremely interesting. Check out the Participants section. No way was it Rufus and/or CSHD which met ALL 4 requirements. Kind of lends credibility to the puppet theory I discussed earlier...

Euroclear

Euroclear is an independent Brussels, Belgium-based financial services company that specializes in the clearing and settlement of securities. It was founded in 1971 as part of J.P. Morgan & Co. Euroclear is the world's premier settlement system for domestic and international securities transactions, covering bonds, equities, and investment funds.

Market-owned and market-governed, Euroclear provides securities services to major financial institutions located in more than 80 countries.

In addition to its role as a leading International Central Securities Depository (ICSD), Euroclear also acts as the Central Securities Depository (CSD) for Dutch, French, Irish, and UK securities. CIK, the CSD of Belgium, joined the group in January 2006 and was renamed Euroclear Belgium.

The Euroclear System is operated by Euroclear Bank SA, a Belgian credit institution with its registered office in Brussels, Belgium.

Euroclear is the largest international bonds central securities depository in the world.

Participants

The Euroclear System has about 2,000 participants from more than 80 different countries. Most are banks, broker-dealers, and other institutions professionally engaged in managing new issues of securities, market-making, trading, or holding the variety of securities accepted by the System.

Applicants must meet four criteria to be admitted:

– adequate financial resources;
– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

In addition, internal anti-money laundering measures of the applicant institution are considered prior to any admission.

Supervision

Incorporated in Belgium, Euroclear Bank is subject to the supervision of the Belgian Banking and Finance Commission (BFC). In accordance with Article 8 of its Organic Law, the National Bank of Belgium (NBB) is in charge of the oversight of the Euroclear System.

Supervisors and overseers work in close cooperation in the implementation of their respective responsibilities at Euroclear Bank. Euroclear plc is also authorised as a service company by the Financial Services Authority in the United Kingdom.

--------------------
"If you go the Extra Mile there will be no Traffic Jams".

St. Matthew
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Oops, sorry about the link with password needed. It wasnt a big deal. I came across news that the SEC was mildly hounding Berkshire Hathaway.

Heres a link that should work haha. Again, no big deal it just struck me funny at the time

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-berkshire28nov28,0,5827023.story
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
8K

Hehe, I mentioned 8k this morning and there it is. [Smile]

I expected it tomorrow though, things are moving faster these days
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I expected it late [Eek!]

jk- another little PR on the wires tonight? Everyones buzzing around........I am just trying to catch back up over the 1000995 pages of HSM today.
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
8K

Hehe, I mentioned 8k this morning and there it is. [Smile]

I expected it tomorrow though, things are moving faster these days

Hopefully we will get that 10KSB and the 10Q. That would be a really nice suprise tomorrow.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
blah blah 8k...

wonder when this will be filed --> RESOLVED FURTHER, that the Company file an amended Annual 10-KSB and the September 30, 2006 Quarterly 10-QSB with the Securities and Exchange Commission as soon as possible.

RESOLVED FURTHER, that the Company terminate all existing employment agreements, and authorizes the new Board of Directors to negotiate employment agreements with new management as deemed necessary.

does this mean mike alexander too? --> RESOLVED FURTHER, that John Arlitt, as sole director, be authorized to cancel shares of common stock issued to the replaced board of directors and management as he deems equitable.


Biography on John Arlitt
• Over 20 years of extensive experience in the financial industry as President/CEO of Arlitt Financial Corporation wholly owned by John L. Arlitt.
• Assisted in financial consulting and financing of numerous public companies through my own company Arlitt Financial Corporation.
• Served as President and Director of numerous public companies.
• 1987 to 1990 served as Account Executive with both Georgia Pacific Securities and Jones Gable and Co. both full service brokerage firms in Vancouver, B.C., Canada.
• Directors and Officers Certificate and Certificate for Strategic Management from Simon Fraser University, Vancouver, B.C.


~BB

blah blah 8k?
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
Today, 07:06 PM #1159
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 70 To those wondering who I am. I am the relative of someone you know here and there. For those people who know, please keep it to yourself. I like my privacy and my nephew loves his. My goal here is simple. To see the company succeed, and to guide the investors so they know what this company is really about and how HUGE it is. Read my posts yesterday and that should clear some of your concerns with the company. I am happy to assist people but I will not direct you straight to the answers. You will have to do that on your own as it is your personal investment. My post yesterday is a big giveway. If you follow the leads they will take you somewhere on a grander scale. I love all of you. It doesn't matter if your a basher. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Compassion will lead us all. This is my last post. I promise you.
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by unclerudy:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
8K

Hehe, I mentioned 8k this morning and there it is. [Smile]

I expected it tomorrow though, things are moving faster these days

Hopefully we will get that 10KSB and the 10Q. That would be a really nice suprise tomorrow.
could you imagine? Like I said a few days ago - I wonder what it would be like to actually get some legitimate good news? Instead of the "blah, blah, 8k" type stuff (as BB so eloquently put it [Wink] )

on another note, unclerudy, with Rufus out of the picture, does that mean we won't get to hear you use the term "azzclown" anymore? I alwasy found that rather entertaining [Big Grin]
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
ok, here's one...

-Euroclear
-New World Marketplace
-New INTERNATIONAL trading platforms


-"New Exchange" coming of age?...
One that handles "CARBON CREDITS?" [Big Grin]

Is this what it's all about?....

If so..........."BOOM!!!" -will be the understatement of the year ~

I'm following you on this, Chart . . . I was thinking the same thing when that was posted by TheGreaterGood.
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
What was TheGreaterGood's post from yesterday? Anyone got a link or other or do I have to search it out over at H S M?
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
damnnn CSHD moving back up, what happend any good news or something?
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NEL:
What was TheGreaterGood's post from yesterday? Anyone got a link or other or do I have to search it out over at H S M?

From Yesterday:


Quote:
Connect the dots. Where are the bonds, ucc notes coming from??? Euroclear is a dead giveaway. Concentrate on the last 10k and what those assets were. Connect RICO. Connect to what is happening now in the market. Connect new trading platforms and our "credits". Connect Rufus' political connections. DD the judge. Let's see if you can find out who is pulling the strings. You won't. Read the shc letters and pay attention to what Rufus is saying and connect the dots. You are fine...in the end counting the numbers is what matters most. will you even remember how you got there?
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
whoever is the richest nephew that is who this is his uncle LOL
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
quote:
Originally posted by unclerudy:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
8K

Hehe, I mentioned 8k this morning and there it is. [Smile]

I expected it tomorrow though, things are moving faster these days

Hopefully we will get that 10KSB and the 10Q. That would be a really nice suprise tomorrow.
could you imagine? Like I said a few days ago - I wonder what it would be like to actually get some legitimate good news? Instead of the "blah, blah, 8k" type stuff (as BB so eloquently put it [Wink] )

on another note, unclerudy, with Rufus out of the picture, does that mean we won't get to hear you use the term "azzclown" anymore? I alwasy found that rather entertaining [Big Grin]

No, I still reserve the right to call Tut/JA/whoever an azzclown if he doesn't salvage our poor little company. The only thing though that I am still trying to figure out is WHAT does our little company ACTUALLY DO? I know that we are supposed to do assest management, and take bonds and hypothocate them, and have joint ventures and spinoff companies, but what has the company actually done to bring in capitol? Just a question that has been going through my mind with all of these changes recently.
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
Oh and MT, just for you...

Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown, Azzclown.

Hope that is enough of them.
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
So Mr Moseley is on board now! Website updated!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, i was thinking. Suppose that was indeed Rufus playing with the website today. It was totally intentional and he obviously wanted to be "busted", signed it CEO and all. Thats just not sitting right with me.

He set the scene for the next act IMO. My guess for our next PR? I think it will be a TRO against Rufus Paul Harris with Arlitt and the shareholder committee leading the charge. Theres my guess.

I cant figure out WHY but it just fits for me. Since day one everything has felt so "orchestrated". This feels the same way
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
What a night this is becoming!!!
WEEEHAAAWW!!! ~~~

See a 8k came out yeeees ~

Plea$ant "Euroclear" Dream$

I'm gone ~ [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
-golden baby ~

Today, 07:06 PM #1159
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 70 To those wondering who I am. I am the relative of someone you know here and there. For those people who know, please keep it to yourself. I like my privacy and my nephew loves his. My goal here is simple. To see the company succeed, and to guide the investors so they know what this company is really about and how HUGE it is. Read my posts yesterday and that should clear some of your concerns with the company. I am happy to assist people but I will not direct you straight to the answers. You will have to do that on your own as it is your personal investment. My post yesterday is a big giveway. If you follow the leads they will take you somewhere on a grander scale. I love all of you. It doesn't matter if your a basher. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Compassion will lead us all. This is my last post. I promise you.
=============================================

Special thanks for, and to people like TheGreaterGood.
May the "Good Guys" finish first this time ~
Amen.

Good night Board ~
Chart.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Ruffy Duffy should be forced to surrender ALL of his shares!!!!!!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
REbump...
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Bump...from yesterday.

Check this out...we might have some work to do...connecting dots.

Today, 02:16 PM #1328

TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 61

Do not listen to the bashers. They are getting desperate. Their time is up. There is a higher power involved that you will not know about. Even your wildest theories will seem like child's play compared to what is actually happening. Concentrate on the green...

Connect the dots. Where are the bonds, ucc notes coming from??? Euroclear is a dead giveaway. Concentrate on the last 10k and what those assets were. Connect RICO. Connect to what is happening now in the market. Connect new trading platforms and our "credits". Connect Rufus' political connections. DD the judge. Let's see if you can find out who is pulling the strings. You won't. Read the shc letters and pay attention to what Rufus is saying and connect the dots. You are fine...in the end counting the numbers is what matters most. will you even remember how you got there?

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------

OK...here is what I find extremely interesting. Check out the Participants section. No way was it Rufus and/or CSHD which met ALL 4 requirements. Kind of lends credibility to the puppet theory I discussed earlier...

Euroclear

Euroclear is an independent Brussels, Belgium-based financial services company that specializes in the clearing and settlement of securities. It was founded in 1971 as part of J.P. Morgan & Co. Euroclear is the world's premier settlement system for domestic and international securities transactions, covering bonds, equities, and investment funds.

Market-owned and market-governed, Euroclear provides securities services to major financial institutions located in more than 80 countries.

In addition to its role as a leading International Central Securities Depository (ICSD), Euroclear also acts as the Central Securities Depository (CSD) for Dutch, French, Irish, and UK securities. CIK, the CSD of Belgium, joined the group in January 2006 and was renamed Euroclear Belgium.

The Euroclear System is operated by Euroclear Bank SA, a Belgian credit institution with its registered office in Brussels, Belgium.

Euroclear is the largest international bonds central securities depository in the world.

Participants

The Euroclear System has about 2,000 participants from more than 80 different countries. Most are banks, broker-dealers, and other institutions professionally engaged in managing new issues of securities, market-making, trading, or holding the variety of securities accepted by the System.

Applicants must meet four criteria to be admitted:

– adequate financial resources;
– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

In addition, internal anti-money laundering measures of the applicant institution are considered prior to any admission.

Supervision

Incorporated in Belgium, Euroclear Bank is subject to the supervision of the Belgian Banking and Finance Commission (BFC). In accordance with Article 8 of its Organic Law, the National Bank of Belgium (NBB) is in charge of the oversight of the Euroclear System.

Supervisors and overseers work in close cooperation in the implementation of their respective responsibilities at Euroclear Bank. Euroclear plc is also authorised as a service company by the Financial Services Authority in the United Kingdom.

--------------------
"If you go the Extra Mile there will be no Traffic Jams".

St. Matthew


 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
ok, here's one...

-Euroclear
-New World Marketplace
-New INTERNATIONAL trading platforms


-"New Exchange" coming of age?...
One that handles "CARBON CREDITS?" [Big Grin]

Is this what it's all about?....

If so..........."BOOM!!!" -will be the understatement of the year ~

I'm following you on this, Chart . . . I was thinking the same thing when that was posted by TheGreaterGood.
I threw out some information on this a few days back and I hope at least some folks took time to really look into where the conservation movement has gone in the last few years. We are no longer talking about obscure, disjointed groups struggling to make a local impact. There is a multinational push that is building momentum and WILL change the way that society, business and governments interact with the environment. The most visible effort is the stemming of airborne pollution in the form of internationally enforceable mandates. This is where the market for pollution credits will be spawned.

I have, in the past, had the pleasure of working with one of the major conservation groups in the U.S. on a carbon sequestering project. Along the way, I was very pleased to hear the powerful names lending their support (more valuable than money) to that and similar projects: Roosevelt, Rockefeller, Whitney, Disney, Gates, and the list goes on to include a massive number of companies and philanthropic families/groups.

The current environmental initiatives on the global table are backed by the muscle to make things happen as well as the moral foundation to force a groundswell of support when impeded. Even the seemingly all-powerful dark side of the markets will have a tough time besting these groups who influence policy at the highest levels.

I have always felt that we will only realize the impact of what we have stumbled upon some time in the distant future. If this plays out anywhere close to my expectations we will consider ourselves lucky in life... and hopefully carry on the tradition.

And finally, I feel that this is bigger than one small startup company. And for that reason, I will forgive a few apparent mistakes (if that is what they are) from CSHD in an effort to relax and watch things unfold across the board, not just on this piece of the game.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
This might have been covered already today, but if you go to the company website, under the JV section this sentence was added recently I think:

The following content is under review by the Board of Directors

http://cvsu.us/
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Least I don't see the stuff on the cvsu site regarding space exploration.

That was kind of a stretch in my mind.....
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Hi Cassity! Call me please. [Smile]
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
What's this talk of a new international trading exchange for carbon credits? I'll do my own DD but can someone point me in the right direction to start. I see it mentioned a few times today.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well an 8K to follow up the PR that is good news... [Smile]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Whose uncle? tut's?...Rufus?
SANTA's?

quote:
Originally posted by dlab:
Today, 07:06 PM #1159
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 70 To those wondering who I am. I am the relative of someone you know here and there. For those people who know, please keep it to yourself. I like my privacy and my nephew loves his. My goal here is simple. To see the company succeed, and to guide the investors so they know what this company is really about and how HUGE it is. Read my posts yesterday and that should clear some of your concerns with the company. I am happy to assist people but I will not direct you straight to the answers. You will have to do that on your own as it is your personal investment. My post yesterday is a big giveway. If you follow the leads they will take you somewhere on a grander scale. I love all of you. It doesn't matter if your a basher. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Compassion will lead us all. This is my last post. I promise you.


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Anyone listening to Subpenny Radio? Just wanted to see if anything interesting was going on....
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Wasn't there talk once of dealings with the "richest man's" nephew or uncle a couple months ago?
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
i would visit the cvsu coffee shop the next time i am in atlanta if i could find it.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
Wasn't there talk once of dealings with the "richest man's" nephew or uncle a couple months ago?

That was suppose to the be prince of dubai.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
and isn't that when people were trying to makes links to both Gates and the Price of Dubai as the uncle or nephew?
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
TimW - you beat me as I was trying to answer my own question. lol
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Well, I'm off for the night.

If anyone has a link on the topics of a new international trading exchange or platforms for carbon credits - please PM me with it so I can dig for myself tomorrow. Thanks! Good Night.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
What's this talk of a new international trading exchange for carbon credits? I'll do my own DD but can someone point me in the right direction to start. I see it mentioned a few times today.

The largest commodities exchange in the U.S. is Chicago. Pollution credits are traded as commodities. MANY large institutional investors are adding credits to their portfolios in anticipation of their global increase in value via country regulations and the Kyoto Treaty (which, sadly, the U.S. is not yet a part of). The largest mandatory pollution credit market is Europe and the exchange used by Eurpoe is, I believe, owned by the owners of the Chicago exchange.

Add to that the fact that some of the richest pollution credit countries in the world are those that are considered third-world and are in desperate need of financial assistance and you have a recipe for 1) a huge redistribution of wealth, and 2) a massive profit opportunity for anyone able to help these countries or groups within these countries leverage the future potential of this newly created asset into short-term cash.

If CVSU has an inroad to the tools to make this happen, such as a relatively new form of financing called Asset Backed Securities, there is a very bright future. We do not know with any verifiable certainty if this has any bearing on where the phase one money of CVSU might come from, but the huge potential in Brazil with Ecowood and connections to other "credit-rich" countries is interesting.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
The other night on CNBC they had a program about Warren Buffet. They stated that he was the second richest man in the world, behind Bill Gates. FWIW. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:


I have, in the past, had the pleasure of working with one of the major conservation groups in the U.S. on a carbon sequestering project. Along the way, I was very pleased to hear the powerful names lending their support (more valuable than money) to that and similar projects: Roosevelt, Rockefeller, Whitney, Disney, Gates, and the list goes on to include a massive number of companies and philanthropic families/groups.


... In My humble Opinion [/QB]

A few of these people that Humble has mentioned I know I have seen on the TRILATERAL website....HHHMMM interesting....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
This might have been covered already today, but if you go to the company website, under the JV section this sentence was added recently I think:

The following content is under review by the Board of Directors

http://cvsu.us/

Cass- It wasn't covered yet- good point - maybe they did this as part of a deal with the SEC?
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
The other night on CNBC they had a program about Warren Buffet. They stated that he was the second richest man in the world, behind Bill Gates. FWIW. [Smile]

Thats because Mr. Buffet gave billions upon billions to charities which then put him in 2nd position [Wink] .
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Whose uncle? tut's?...Rufus?
SANTA's?

quote:
Originally posted by dlab:
Today, 07:06 PM #1159
TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 70 To those wondering who I am. I am the relative of someone you know here and there. For those people who know, please keep it to yourself. I like my privacy and my nephew loves his. My goal here is simple. To see the company succeed, and to guide the investors so they know what this company is really about and how HUGE it is. Read my posts yesterday and that should clear some of your concerns with the company. I am happy to assist people but I will not direct you straight to the answers. You will have to do that on your own as it is your personal investment. My post yesterday is a big giveway. If you follow the leads they will take you somewhere on a grander scale. I love all of you. It doesn't matter if your a basher. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Compassion will lead us all. This is my last post. I promise you.


I don't think he could have meant Rufus because he said his nephew loves his privacy - & well, we know just about everything about Rufus except what he looks like in his birthday suit (& no thanks).....

who else could be the nephew?

Mike Alexander?
Tut?
Portman???? HaHa!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
The other night on CNBC they had a program about Warren Buffet. They stated that he was the second richest man in the world, behind Bill Gates. FWIW. [Smile]

Thats because Mr. Buffet gave billions upon billions to charities which then put him in 2nd position [Wink] .
I've got a charity for him:
- The Jenna Foundation -
It gives money to people who invested in CSHD & now need more money to "play" with....HaHa
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Hi, Jenna! nice to see you , how you feeling about all of this? This just gets stranger and stranger haha. If there is a plan for a book, it would have to be 2 or 3 books by now. MOMMA
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
LOL, your AWESOME Jenna [Wink] !!!

Please don't forget me in the process of that transaction!

Fri here yet? lol, I'm ready to get this crap done and over with.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
I wish I was that nephew Jenna... lol
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
OK, Is it OK for me to find it a bit ironic that Tut, a shareholder, and his Uncle(The greater Good), think they have a better idea of where the company that Rufus and Ben created is destined to go? Now don't get me wrong, I think that Rufus & Co got side tracked but I also don't think that Tut and his Uncle have the least idea of where this was destined anymore than anyone else does. Timothy Miles and Co thought and think it's a scam and Tut and Uncle think it's a humanitarian company that should be profitable. Just look at the changes to the JV/Sub page at CVSU.US and see how it has changed. Read it closely.

I just find it ironic. My take on it nothing else. I guess it's time to go back into lurk mode.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
portman, did you just here that pin drop? Boy it's quiet tonight.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Hi, Jenna! nice to see you , how you feeling about all of this? This just gets stranger and stranger haha. If there is a plan for a book, it would have to be 2 or 3 books by now. MOMMA

Hey Momma - (Hey Moneyx3)-

I feel good that John took over he seems like he's getting something done....I believe there will be more to come & soon - seems like he's all business....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
OK, Is it OK for me to find it a bit ironic that Tut, a shareholder, and his Uncle(The greater Good), think they have a better idea of where the company that Rufus and Ben created is destined to go? Now don't get me wrong, I think that Rufus & Co got side tracked but I also don't think that Tut and his Uncle have the least idea of where this was destined anymore than anyone else does. Timothy Miles and Co thought and think it's a scam and Tut and Uncle think it's a humanitarian company that should be profitable. Just look at the changes to the JV/Sub page at CVSU.US and see how it has changed. Read it closely.

I just find it ironic. My take on it nothing else. I guess it's time to go back into lurk mode.

GLTA
Wally

Are you 100% sure that it is Tut and his uncle??
 
Posted by lostone on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
OK, Is it OK for me to find it a bit ironic that Tut, a shareholder, and his Uncle(The greater Good), think they have a better idea of where the company that Rufus and Ben created is destined to go? Now don't get me wrong, I think that Rufus & Co got side tracked but I also don't think that Tut and his Uncle have the least idea of where this was destined anymore than anyone else does. Timothy Miles and Co thought and think it's a scam and Tut and Uncle think it's a humanitarian company that should be profitable. Just look at the changes to the JV/Sub page at CVSU.US and see how it has changed. Read it closely.

I just find it ironic. My take on it nothing else. I guess it's time to go back into lurk mode.

GLTA
Wally

which part exactly are u refering to? currently under review of BOD?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
The Greater Good - Tut's uncle - I don't know about that???? I think it's someone else.....
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
portman, did you just here that pin drop? Boy it's quiet tonight.

Yup...frustrations of an AT&T commercial...lol
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
Does this have anything to do with this mystery?

http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_Exchange
http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Mercantile_Exchange
http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/New_York_Board_of_Trade
www.the ice.com

remove spaces
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
The Greater Good - Tut's uncle - I don't know about that???? I think it's someone else.....

I also think its someone else , but don't know if they are sincere or not. I have become pretty leary of posts from people we don't know. They could be honest and they could be a past basher with a new name. I hope this one is honest, but time will tell. Sorry ,showing my age! haha
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
The Prrrrrrrrrrince of Dubai has spoken!!!!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Simon is going to try and call Rufus after his break..........LOL Come on Simon get over your love affair.

Whose uncle is it?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
The Prrrrrrrrrrince of Dubai has spoken!!!!!

What did he say? Is he asking for someone to feed him grapes?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Simon is going to try and call Rufus after his break..........LOL Come on Simon get over your love affair.

Whose uncle is it?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????

Surf- there's something wrong with your keyboard... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Decided to finally look this up for fun...

I dont know if this is coincidence or if this company has been "in canada" the whole time..


CVSU.US >>> 205.178.189.131

A lookup on that IP:

OrgName: InQuent Technologies Inc.
OrgID: INQT
Address: 150 York St, Suite 1900
City: Toronto
StateProv: ON
PostalCode: M5H-3S5
Country: CA

NetRange: 205.178.128.0 - 205.178.191.255


A company in Toronto, ON Canada owns the IP address that CSHD's website is sitting on.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NEL:
Does this have anything to do with this mystery?

http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Intercontinental_Exchange
http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Mercantile_Exchange
http://en.wiki pedia.org/wiki/New_York_Board_of_Trade
www.the ice.com

remove spaces

Pay close attention to the big picture when viewing the recent history of the world's major commodities/futures markets. Check out this article from TODAY (sorry about the link, you'll have to piece it together without the line breaks and spaces):

http://www.market watch.com/news/story
/exchange-leaders-expect-global-consolidation/
story.aspx?guid=%7B1C836D9A-C966-4C55-B6F9-4139C4AD4065%7D

.. In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
The Prrrrrrrrrrince of Dubai has spoken!!!!!

What did he say? Is he asking for someone to feed him grapes?
Sorry Jenna- the future only holds you feeding grapes to us turkeys on stock message boards.

The prince has his grape-feeder posse fully stocked [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Nel - very good post by the way - very interesting- notice where ICE is located?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
Decided to finally look this up for fun...

I dont know if this is coincidence or if this company has been "in canada" the whole time..


CVSU.US >>> 205.178.189.131

A lookup on that IP:

OrgName: InQuent Technologies Inc.
OrgID: INQT
Address: 150 York St, Suite 1900
City: Toronto
StateProv: ON
PostalCode: M5H-3S5
Country: CA

NetRange: 205.178.128.0 - 205.178.191.255


A company in Toronto, ON Canada owns the IP address that CSHD's website is sitting on.

Registrant:
Conversion Solutions, Inc.
125 TownPark Dr
Suite 300
Kennesaw, GA 30144
US

Domain Name: CVSU.US

Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :
Conversion Solutions, Inc.
Harris*cshd.us
125 TownPark Dr
Suite 300
Kennesaw, GA 30144
US
Phone: 678-758-3010
Fax: 404-393-9824

Record expires on 09-Jun-2015
Record created on 09-Jun-2005
Database last updated on 09-Jun-2005

Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS

NS51.WORLDNIC.COM 205.178.190.26
NS52.WORLDNIC.COM 205.178.189.26

Show underlying registry data for this record



IP Address: 205.178.189.131 (ARIN & RIPE IP search)
IP Location: US(UNITED STATES)-VIRGINIA-HERNDON

DMOZ no listings
Y! Directory: see listings
Data as of: 14-Jun-2005
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
How about this one too...

http://www.market watch.com/news/story/mexico-brazil-open-new-front/story.aspx?guid=%7B8B40A272-8B FC-4734-AF26-4A9B0EB4CFE1%7D


and this statement...

William Brodsky, chief executive of the Chicago Board Options Exchange, said that Chinese and Indian exchanges are likely to be armed with a key advantage over their U.S. and European counterparts. He said the Asian exchanges have the ability to build from scratch what older exchanges have had to "upgrade," particularly on the technology front.

Because exchanges in India and China can be built with the benefit of hindsight gathered by European and U.S. exchanges, "they will be able to move very quickly once they get the critical mass," Brodsky said.
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
Sorry bad link.. try this one.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/mexico-brazil-open-new-front/story.aspx?gu id=%7B8B40A272-8BFC-4734-AF26-4A9B0EB4CFE1%7D
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Maybe just coincidence then that Network Solutions who is hosting it also has a division in toronto.

Just seemed weird to me to see a toronto company owning the network its on.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NEL:
Sorry bad link.. try this one.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/mexico-brazil-open-new-front/story.aspx?gu id=%7B8B40A272-8BFC-4734-AF26-4A9B0EB4CFE1%7D

Humble just posted that. Its interesting to say the least.

Humble could you enlighten us on exactly what your eluding to??
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Network solutions is the domain registrar (similar to register.com hosting domain DNS)- the company providing the web hosting inquent.com is in toronto.

Location doesn't mean much in my opinion, some people host domains with web hosting providers merely by finding the best hosting deal online.


IP Space provider for CVSU.US

OrgName: InQuent Technologies Inc.
OrgID: INQT
Address: 150 York St, Suite 1900
City: Toronto
StateProv: ON
PostalCode: M5H-3S5
Country: CA

NetRange: 205.178.128.0 - 205.178.191.255
CIDR: 205.178.128.0/18
NetName: INQUENT-2
NetHandle: NET-205-178-128-0-1
Parent: NET-205-0-0-0-0
NetType: Direct Allocation
NameServer: NS1.DYNAMICWEB.NET
NameServer: NS2.DYNAMICWEB.NET
Comment:
RegDate:
Updated: 2003-10-27

RTechHandle: MS928-ARIN
RTechName: Salerno, Mark
RTechPhone: +1-416-645-4550
RTechEmail: mark.salerno*inquent.com
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Nel - very good post by the way - very interesting- notice where ICE is located?

Jenna,

I didn't even notice that... check this out!

INVESTOR RELATIONS

Investor Relations

ICE
2100 RiverEdge Pkwy
Suite 500
Atlanta, GA 30328

phone 770 857 4700
fax 770 951 1307
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
The Prrrrrrrrrrince of Dubai has spoken!!!!!

What did he say? Is he asking for someone to feed him grapes?
Sorry Jenna- the future only holds you feeding grapes to us turkeys on stock message boards.

The prince has his grape-feeder posse fully stocked [Smile]

Frank - Just an FYI...I wasn't offering to be a grape feeder.. [Big Grin] ..
....I'm too afraid to leave this country, believe it or not, I'll go to Canada though - & I've also been to Mexico but that's it......someday maybe Italy but I'll have to be sedated (I'll be suspicious of everyone on the plane) - Hey speaking of Italy - aren't you Italian? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
OK, Is it OK for me to find it a bit ironic that Tut, a shareholder, and his Uncle(The greater Good), think they have a better idea of where the company that Rufus and Ben created is destined to go? Now don't get me wrong, I think that Rufus & Co got side tracked but I also don't think that Tut and his Uncle have the least idea of where this was destined anymore than anyone else does. Timothy Miles and Co thought and think it's a scam and Tut and Uncle think it's a humanitarian company that should be profitable. Just look at the changes to the JV/Sub page at CVSU.US and see how it has changed. Read it closely.

I just find it ironic. My take on it nothing else. I guess it's time to go back into lurk mode.

GLTA
Wally

Are you 100% sure that it is Tut and his uncle??
No. But if it is as people have surmised that Tut is Arlitt, who do you think the greater good is talking about?

TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 70 To those wondering who I am. I am the relative of someone you know here and there. For those people who know, please keep it to yourself. I like my privacy and my nephew loves his. My goal here is simple. To see the company succeed, and to guide the investors so they know what this company is really about and how HUGE it is. Read my posts yesterday and that should clear some of your concerns with the company. I am happy to assist people but I will not direct you straight to the answers. You will have to do that on your own as it is your personal investment. My post yesterday is a big giveway. If you follow the leads they will take you somewhere on a grander scale. I love all of you. It doesn't matter if your a basher. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Compassion will lead us all. This is my last post. I promise you.

As long as we are going to speculate.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by NEL:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Nel - very good post by the way - very interesting- notice where ICE is located?

Jenna,

I didn't even notice that... check this out!

INVESTOR RELATIONS

Investor Relations

ICE
2100 RiverEdge Pkwy
Suite 500
Atlanta, GA 30328

phone 770 857 4700
fax 770 951 1307

Exactly what I was looking at....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Arlitt is back as the ceo on the website.

http://www.cvsu.us/
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Who knows Wally - you may be right.....that person posts sound like Tut's a little...."My goal is.....to guide the investors"....
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
While were on the topic of whos close to who.... How about this?

Press Release Source: Ecowood, LTD.
Ecowood, LTD. announces change in management and stock structure.
Monday October 03, 10:12 am ET
Lake Dallas, TX. --(PR NEWSWIRE)—Oct 03, 2006—Ecowood, LTD. a lake Dallas based company announces the addition of Michael Alexander as the Chief Executive Officer, President and Chairman of the Board. Mr. Alexander has also become the majority shareholder of Ecowood, LTD.

Ecowood, LTD.
507 Main Street Suite A
Lake Dallas, TX 75065
(940) 321-1075
info*fundamazon.com

Source: Ecowood, LTD.


And the new CVSU contact info is...

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
507 Main St. Suite A
Lake Dallas, TX 75065
www.cvsu.us
Phone: (940) 321-1075


Contactus*CSHD.US

Copyright © 2006 Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
OK, Is it OK for me to find it a bit ironic that Tut, a shareholder, and his Uncle(The greater Good), think they have a better idea of where the company that Rufus and Ben created is destined to go? Now don't get me wrong, I think that Rufus & Co got side tracked but I also don't think that Tut and his Uncle have the least idea of where this was destined anymore than anyone else does. Timothy Miles and Co thought and think it's a scam and Tut and Uncle think it's a humanitarian company that should be profitable. Just look at the changes to the JV/Sub page at CVSU.US and see how it has changed. Read it closely.

I just find it ironic. My take on it nothing else. I guess it's time to go back into lurk mode.

GLTA
Wally

Are you 100% sure that it is Tut and his uncle??
No. But if it is as people have surmised that Tut is Arlitt, who do you think the greater good is talking about?

TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 70 To those wondering who I am. I am the relative of someone you know here and there. For those people who know, please keep it to yourself. I like my privacy and my nephew loves his. My goal here is simple. To see the company succeed, and to guide the investors so they know what this company is really about and how HUGE it is. Read my posts yesterday and that should clear some of your concerns with the company. I am happy to assist people but I will not direct you straight to the answers. You will have to do that on your own as it is your personal investment. My post yesterday is a big giveway. If you follow the leads they will take you somewhere on a grander scale. I love all of you. It doesn't matter if your a basher. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Compassion will lead us all. This is my last post. I promise you.

As long as we are going to speculate.

GLTA
Wally

WHAT?

lol, *none* of that makes sense to me...

anybody got the generic, layman's English version?

Wally? 10 of Negotiation? Kevin?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
with all these subs theyve HAD..y have they never posted or even reported any cash flow?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
OK, Is it OK for me to find it a bit ironic that Tut, a shareholder, and his Uncle(The greater Good), think they have a better idea of where the company that Rufus and Ben created is destined to go? Now don't get me wrong, I think that Rufus & Co got side tracked but I also don't think that Tut and his Uncle have the least idea of where this was destined anymore than anyone else does. Timothy Miles and Co thought and think it's a scam and Tut and Uncle think it's a humanitarian company that should be profitable. Just look at the changes to the JV/Sub page at CVSU.US and see how it has changed. Read it closely.

I just find it ironic. My take on it nothing else. I guess it's time to go back into lurk mode.

GLTA
Wally

Are you 100% sure that it is Tut and his uncle??
No. But if it is as people have surmised that Tut is Arlitt, who do you think the greater good is talking about?

TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 70 To those wondering who I am. I am the relative of someone you know here and there. For those people who know, please keep it to yourself. I like my privacy and my nephew loves his. My goal here is simple. To see the company succeed, and to guide the investors so they know what this company is really about and how HUGE it is. Read my posts yesterday and that should clear some of your concerns with the company. I am happy to assist people but I will not direct you straight to the answers. You will have to do that on your own as it is your personal investment. My post yesterday is a big giveway. If you follow the leads they will take you somewhere on a grander scale. I love all of you. It doesn't matter if your a basher. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Compassion will lead us all. This is my last post. I promise you.

As long as we are going to speculate.

GLTA
Wally

I don't think its tuts uncle.

The one and only reason is that I guess Tut, AKA John Arlitt, to be mid to late 50's.

Now if this is his uncle technically/usually would be at least 20-30 years older.

That would put him in hi mid to late 70's to 80's.


Maybe I am way off base here but thats my thinking.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Who knows Wally - you may be right.....that person posts sound like Tut's a little...."My goal is.....to guide the investors"....

Exactly, they have the same style. TGG, states a relative, Nephew. Not a big leap to get there is it? One can onlt guide when one has the information needed to do so. I'm not aware of anyone, on the "know boat" that is willing to give direct information. Therfore it is left to the rest of us to speculate. If Tut is Arlitt, why the secrecy? I don't understand. So until the "know boat" decides we are worthy we are left to read the morsels they leave and extrapolate from there.

As I stated earlier, I could care less. Just get it done. File with the court.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
OK, Is it OK for me to find it a bit ironic that Tut, a shareholder, and his Uncle(The greater Good), think they have a better idea of where the company that Rufus and Ben created is destined to go? Now don't get me wrong, I think that Rufus & Co got side tracked but I also don't think that Tut and his Uncle have the least idea of where this was destined anymore than anyone else does. Timothy Miles and Co thought and think it's a scam and Tut and Uncle think it's a humanitarian company that should be profitable. Just look at the changes to the JV/Sub page at CVSU.US and see how it has changed. Read it closely.

I just find it ironic. My take on it nothing else. I guess it's time to go back into lurk mode.

GLTA
Wally

Are you 100% sure that it is Tut and his uncle??
No. But if it is as people have surmised that Tut is Arlitt, who do you think the greater good is talking about?

TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 70 To those wondering who I am. I am the relative of someone you know here and there. For those people who know, please keep it to yourself. I like my privacy and my nephew loves his. My goal here is simple. To see the company succeed, and to guide the investors so they know what this company is really about and how HUGE it is. Read my posts yesterday and that should clear some of your concerns with the company. I am happy to assist people but I will not direct you straight to the answers. You will have to do that on your own as it is your personal investment. My post yesterday is a big giveway. If you follow the leads they will take you somewhere on a grander scale. I love all of you. It doesn't matter if your a basher. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Compassion will lead us all. This is my last post. I promise you.

As long as we are going to speculate.

GLTA
Wally

I don't think its tuts uncle.

The one and only reason is that I guess Tut, AKA John Arlitt, to be mid to late 50's.

Now if this is his uncle technically/usually would be at least 20-30 years older.

That would put him in hi mid to late 70's to 80's.


Maybe I am way off base here but thats my thinking.

Ohhhh, Lawzeeeee...

I thought you guys had *determined* the new guy is TUT...

you mean, this is all speculation?

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by NEL:
Sorry bad link.. try this one.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/mexico-brazil-open-new-front/story.aspx?gu id=%7B8B40A272-8BFC-4734-AF26-4A9B0EB4CFE1%7D

Humble just posted that. Its interesting to say the least.

Humble could you enlighten us on exactly what your eluding to??

No, this link is different and also from today.

The information I am digging into has more to do with, as the articles previously referenced demonstrate, the recent and very surging tide of global market consolidation. This, for me, is of relevance for CVSU to the extent that the pollution credits which could be registered from the Ecowood project in Brazil could substantially increase in value as the world commodities market and demand for pollution credits becomes more organized and centralized.

According to some, pollution credits stand to surpass oil as the world's most valuable (in terms of volume) commodity. If that happens, the owners of the vehicles to register, monetize and trade those credits will be the new OPEC.

How does that affect the shareholders of CSHD? I wish I knew now what I hope to know down the road.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Thank you Humble!!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
OK, Is it OK for me to find it a bit ironic that Tut, a shareholder, and his Uncle(The greater Good), think they have a better idea of where the company that Rufus and Ben created is destined to go? Now don't get me wrong, I think that Rufus & Co got side tracked but I also don't think that Tut and his Uncle have the least idea of where this was destined anymore than anyone else does. Timothy Miles and Co thought and think it's a scam and Tut and Uncle think it's a humanitarian company that should be profitable. Just look at the changes to the JV/Sub page at CVSU.US and see how it has changed. Read it closely.

I just find it ironic. My take on it nothing else. I guess it's time to go back into lurk mode.

GLTA
Wally

Are you 100% sure that it is Tut and his uncle??
No. But if it is as people have surmised that Tut is Arlitt, who do you think the greater good is talking about?

TheGreaterGood
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 70 To those wondering who I am. I am the relative of someone you know here and there. For those people who know, please keep it to yourself. I like my privacy and my nephew loves his. My goal here is simple. To see the company succeed, and to guide the investors so they know what this company is really about and how HUGE it is. Read my posts yesterday and that should clear some of your concerns with the company. I am happy to assist people but I will not direct you straight to the answers. You will have to do that on your own as it is your personal investment. My post yesterday is a big giveway. If you follow the leads they will take you somewhere on a grander scale. I love all of you. It doesn't matter if your a basher. We are all human beings and we all make mistakes. Compassion will lead us all. This is my last post. I promise you.

As long as we are going to speculate.

GLTA
Wally

I don't think its tuts uncle.

The one and only reason is that I guess Tut, AKA John Arlitt, to be mid to late 50's.

Now if this is his uncle technically/usually would be at least 20-30 years older.

That would put him in hi mid to late 70's to 80's.


Maybe I am way off base here but thats my thinking.

Not neccessarily. I've known Newphews that were older than their uncles and just because someone is in their 70's doesn't mean they are dead. They could still be investing and posting, not an impossibility.

Yet, enough of this because it really makes no difference at all to the final outcome here. Who "Knows" and who doesn't is irrelevant. Whether The Greater Good is Tut in disguise or his uncle also makes no difference.

Getting the ball rolling is the only thing that matters.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Surfer?
My nephew is only 7 years younger than me...
My youngest sister? is 8 months older than "our" oldest nephew...
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Simon Just said when Tut called and he referenced it that Arlitt came up on the ID. Then he goes on to say that He still is not sure that it is really him.............?????
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
with all these subs theyve HAD..y have they never posted or even reported any cash flow?

Not sure trade- I looked into the cvsu coffee shop thing and found the walmart deal in Plano was the coffee shop called kicks cafe (Calleo gourmet coffee).

Someone mentioned on here I thought that Kicks was in fact the same one referenced by CVSU.

Kicks (Calleo gourmet coffeee) is based in San Diego, CA.

I couldn't find a link between Ken Johnsons starbucks like coffee shop and CVSU.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
FWIW - I don't think Tut is in his 50's - I think maybe 40's...Just my opinion....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Surfer?
My nephew is only 7 years younger than me...
My youngest sister? is 8 months older than "our" oldest nephew...

You have 12 siblings....

My uncle is 35 years older than me.

Whats the normal median???
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
a surfer, my daughter is 4 and she is going to have a new uncle in February. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Surfer?
My nephew is only 7 years younger than me...
My youngest sister? is 8 months older than "our" oldest nephew...

You have 12 siblings....

My uncle is 35 years older than me.

Whats the normal median???

OK. Surfer. You are going too far. You are actually asking for something to be normal in this play. Haha. Normal is normal when it comes to this.

It would be closer to normal for the Nephew to be 35 yrs older than the uncle. Get a grip dude! J/K.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
All right, all right, all right........ I stated my thinking may be way off!

Just trying to grasp this.


St. matt where are you??
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Night ALL....

May you have:
**************************************************

Champagne Wishes
&
Caviar Dreams!!!!

**************************************************
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
My youngest uncle? only 16 years older than me?
My point is? It's very possible...
We don't know Tut's age..or his family life...
i really wish these posters would get to the point...and stop with so many riddles! ARGH!

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Surfer?
My nephew is only 7 years younger than me...
My youngest sister? is 8 months older than "our" oldest nephew...

You have 12 siblings....

My uncle is 35 years older than me.

Whats the normal median???


 
Posted by NEL on :
 
Night Jenna!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Here's the link to the JV/SUB page of CVSU. It has changed and according to the way I read it, the BOD is now reviewing all of these possible companies and restating what they wish to invest in. If I'm wrong please enlighten me.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
My youngest uncle? only 16 years older than me?
My point is? It's very possible...
We don't know Tut's age..or his family life...
i really wish these posters would get to the point...and stop with so many riddles! ARGH!

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Surfer?
My nephew is only 7 years younger than me...
My youngest sister? is 8 months older than "our" oldest nephew...

You have 12 siblings....

My uncle is 35 years older than me.

Whats the normal median???


wah...

nobody answered my question: to wit, I thought the Tut/Arlitt ID was established. As I'm reading here, however, that ID is still up in the air...

ie, no one can "prove" that TUT is the new CEO?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
My youngest uncle? only 16 years older than me?
My point is? It's very possible...
We don't know Tut's age..or his family life...
i really wish these posters would get to the point...and stop with so many riddles! ARGH!

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Surfer?
My nephew is only 7 years younger than me...
My youngest sister? is 8 months older than "our" oldest nephew...

You have 12 siblings....

My uncle is 35 years older than me.

Whats the normal median???


wah...

nobody answered my question: to wit, I thought the Tut/Arlitt ID was established. As I'm reading here, however, that ID is still up in the air...

ie, no one can "prove" that TUT is the new CEO?

I'm as behind as you are in that respect. I have yet to see anything that verifies it.

Why it's still a secret and left up to speculation, I have no idea. Of course I may just be behind the curve.

Wouldn't be the first time and I am sure won't be the last time either.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
My youngest uncle? only 16 years older than me?
My point is? It's very possible...
We don't know Tut's age..or his family life...
i really wish these posters would get to the point...and stop with so many riddles! ARGH!

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Surfer?
My nephew is only 7 years younger than me...
My youngest sister? is 8 months older than "our" oldest nephew...

You have 12 siblings....

My uncle is 35 years older than me.

Whats the normal median???


wah...

nobody answered my question: to wit, I thought the Tut/Arlitt ID was established. As I'm reading here, however, that ID is still up in the air...

ie, no one can "prove" that TUT is the new CEO?

Does it really matter???

The ball is rolling in the right direction now.

Whomever John Arlitt is he has already shown us that he is aware that the shareholders need to be privy to the matters concerning CSHD.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
lol...

me n' you both...

seems like we could get a soda at this fountain, eh?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
lol...

me n' you both...

seems like we could get a soda at this fountain, eh?

I'm guessing that we don't have the right currency. Must be trying to pay for a soda with a peso or something.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
wah...

nobody answered my question: to wit, I thought the Tut/Arlitt ID was established. As I'm reading here, however, that ID is still up in the air...

ie, no one can "prove" that TUT is the new CEO?

I am not so sure it is of almighty importance as to whether Arlitt is Tut. I have for some time believed that not only is Rufus part of something much bigger but CVSU is in general as well.

We all wonder how this little company with such an odd mishmash of rotating characters at the helm could have anything to do with the huge implications alluded to by a few posters. Maybe we are only seeing a very small slice of a very big pie. Take a moment to imagine that CVSU, just like all of us smaller fish, stumbled across a monsterous opportunity and has been positioning themselves to become a player, to any extent, in a really big game.

I do not believe that John Arlitt is the ultimate leader of this company. I do not believe that Rufus is as incompetent as apparent facts would suggest. And foremost, I believe that the events we have seen to date are somewhat irrelevant as to where we are going.

And before you blast my opinion, please realize that I have seen my position in this company rise and fall just like everyone else. I simply choose to wait to pass judgement until the bigger picture comes into focus.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Sort of like we are looking at the little guys hanging around in the lobby. And they are just giving the jist of whats happening inside. Perhaps old boy.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I do not have solid proof, but I can offer some pretty good deductive reasoning.

Tut was getting frustrated with Rufus not acting like he cared about us...the shareholder. He felt like we were suffering needlessly. He wanted to talk to Rufus about running the company while Rufus took care of the Naked Short Selling issue. I do not know if they ever had dialog concerning this, but I do know Tut felt like he could do a good job running this company. He told me several times that he was qualified.

Tut also told us several times that he would not desert us and that he would support us to the end. I do know his name was "John", but I do not know his last name.

Since this announcement was made about John Arlitt taking over the company, Tut has not posted. He actually has not posted since Thanksgiving morning.

Today, Tut's user name and posts were removed from the HSM website.

I don't know about you, but those dots are easy to connect. Is it 100% proof...no, but it certainly looks like John Arlitt is / was Tut.

I could be wrong...but I don't think so.


quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
wah...

nobody answered my question: to wit, I thought the Tut/Arlitt ID was established. As I'm reading here, however, that ID is still up in the air...

ie, no one can "prove" that TUT is the new CEO?

I am not so sure it is of almighty importance as to whether Arlitt is Tut. I have for some time believed that not only is Rufus part of something much bigger but CVSU is in general as well.

We all wonder how this little company with such an odd mishmash of rotating characters at the helm could have anything to do with the huge implications alluded to by a few posters. Maybe we are only seeing a very small slice of a very big pie. Take a moment to imagine that CVSU, just like all of us smaller fish, stumbled across a monsterous opportunity and has been positioning themselves to become a player, to any extent, in a really big game.

I do not believe that John Arlitt is the ultimate leader of this company. I do not believe that Rufus is as incompetent as apparent facts would suggest. And foremost, I believe that the events we have seen to date are somewhat irrelevant as to where we are going.

And before you blast my opinion, please realize that I have seen my position in this company rise and fall just like everyone else. I simply choose to wait to pass judgement until the bigger picture comes into focus.

... In My humble Opinion


 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
wah...

nobody answered my question: to wit, I thought the Tut/Arlitt ID was established. As I'm reading here, however, that ID is still up in the air...

ie, no one can "prove" that TUT is the new CEO?

I am not so sure it is of almighty importance as to whether Arlitt is Tut. I have for some time believed that not only is Rufus part of something much bigger but CVSU is in general as well.

We all wonder how this little company with such an odd mishmash of rotating characters at the helm could have anything to do with the huge implications alluded to by a few posters. Maybe we are only seeing a very small slice of a very big pie. Take a moment to imagine that CVSU, just like all of us smaller fish, stumbled across a monsterous opportunity and has been positioning themselves to become a player, to any extent, in a really big game.

I do not believe that John Arlitt is the ultimate leader of this company. I do not believe that Rufus is as incompetent as apparent facts would suggest. And foremost, I believe that the events we have seen to date are somewhat irrelevant as to where we are going.

And before you blast my opinion, please realize that I have seen my position in this company rise and fall just like everyone else. I simply choose to wait to pass judgement until the bigger picture comes into focus.

... In My humble Opinion

I posted last night that I am still a Rufus fan,believe it or not , I didn't get bashed. I am still holding strong on to this and hope the ending is what we have all been waiting for , just taking a little longer haha
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
HI St.Matt, do you think Rufus will have a good birthday? I feel like I'm waiting for the clock to hit midnight,haha
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
see i know who the ceo is (confirmed)...but thats cuz of my connections on allstocks ; ).... u know who u are
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
While were on the topic of whos close to who.... How about this?

Press Release Source: Ecowood, LTD.
Ecowood, LTD. announces change in management and stock structure.
Monday October 03, 10:12 am ET
Lake Dallas, TX. --(PR NEWSWIRE)—Oct 03, 2006—Ecowood, LTD. a lake Dallas based company announces the addition of Michael Alexander as the Chief Executive Officer, President and Chairman of the Board. Mr. Alexander has also become the majority shareholder of Ecowood, LTD.

Ecowood, LTD.
507 Main Street Suite A
Lake Dallas, TX 75065
(940) 321-1075
info*fundamazon.com

Source: Ecowood, LTD.


And the new CVSU contact info is...

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
507 Main St. Suite A
Lake Dallas, TX 75065
www.cvsu.us
Phone: (940) 321-1075


Contactus*CSHD.US

Copyright © 2006 Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

Did anyone else find this interesting? I knew about Ecowood and mike , but same address and phone # now? Is this old news and I'm really out of the loop?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya, but we need him to kick down on some bonds and JVs and mergers. Thats all that matters.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Oc thats old from when MA was the CEO last week.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Now I must rest, for the day ahead is another test.
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
maybe their related. It happens.

"everbody knows everbody"....

don't ya'll know how it works in Dallas?
I ain't from Dallas but I got 2 hundred & fifty years worth of family history to tap into...lol

best of luck and hang in there gang..
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Now I must rest, for the day ahead is another test.

Thanks, I wasn't sure.Goodnight.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
relax guys we still need to clear up this SEC thing.i would think by or close to december 17
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Can someone please explain the situation with Rufus going on the website and writing a note.
From what I gathered...he wrote some cryptic note saying watch the changes or something like that. Was this new and how long was it on the site for?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
wah...

nobody answered my question: to wit, I thought the Tut/Arlitt ID was established. As I'm reading here, however, that ID is still up in the air...

ie, no one can "prove" that TUT is the new CEO?

I am not so sure it is of almighty importance as to whether Arlitt is Tut. I have for some time believed that not only is Rufus part of something much bigger but CVSU is in general as well.

We all wonder how this little company with such an odd mishmash of rotating characters at the helm could have anything to do with the huge implications alluded to by a few posters. Maybe we are only seeing a very small slice of a very big pie. Take a moment to imagine that CVSU, just like all of us smaller fish, stumbled across a monsterous opportunity and has been positioning themselves to become a player, to any extent, in a really big game.

I do not believe that John Arlitt is the ultimate leader of this company. I do not believe that Rufus is as incompetent as apparent facts would suggest. And foremost, I believe that the events we have seen to date are somewhat irrelevant as to where we are going.

And before you blast my opinion, please realize that I have seen my position in this company rise and fall just like everyone else. I simply choose to wait to pass judgement until the bigger picture comes into focus.

... In My humble Opinion

"I am not so sure "
I think many can agree on that point--you mostly post "between the lines."

"almighty importance as to whether Arlitt is Tut."

never said it was "almighty important", humble--I was merely asking about a curious item, in light of many 'o poster's apparent assumption that Tut = new CEO.

As you may recall, I find "tut's" posts the equivalent of a college-frat-boy's tauntings: eg, "All Bow, before my teen/20-sumpin 'know everything' mentalitly...

"We all wonder... ."

so true. Many *do* wonder, myself included.

"Maybe we are only seeing a very small slice of a very big pie. "

Again, can't fault you, there. For example, what happened to FHAL's debt?


"I do not believe that John Arlitt is the ultimate leader of this company."
why not?

"I believe that the events we have seen to date are somewhat irrelevant...."

lol...don't follow you there, at all. The events we have seen to date seem to have arrived, p-r-e-c-i-s-e-l-y HERE, no?
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Oc thats old from when MA was the CEO last week.

So the "relocation" was just switching the address to mikes at the time current "ecowood" address?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
I do not have solid proof, but I can offer some pretty good deductive reasoning.

Tut was getting frustrated with Rufus not acting like he cared about us...the shareholder. He felt like we were suffering needlessly. He wanted to talk to Rufus about running the company while Rufus took care of the Naked Short Selling issue. I do not know if they ever had dialog concerning this, but I do know Tut felt like he could do a good job running this company. He told me several times that he was qualified.

Tut also told us several times that he would not desert us and that he would support us to the end. I do know his name was "John", but I do not know his last name.

Since this announcement was made about John Arlitt taking over the company, Tut has not posted. He actually has not posted since Thanksgiving morning.

Today, Tut's user name and posts were removed from the HSM website.

I don't know about you, but those dots are easy to connect. Is it 100% proof...no, but it certainly looks like John Arlitt is / was Tut.

I could be wrong...but I don't think so.


quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
wah...

nobody answered my question: to wit, I thought the Tut/Arlitt ID was established. As I'm reading here, however, that ID is still up in the air...

ie, no one can "prove" that TUT is the new CEO?

I am not so sure it is of almighty importance as to whether Arlitt is Tut. I have for some time believed that not only is Rufus part of something much bigger but CVSU is in general as well.

We all wonder how this little company with such an odd mishmash of rotating characters at the helm could have anything to do with the huge implications alluded to by a few posters. Maybe we are only seeing a very small slice of a very big pie. Take a moment to imagine that CVSU, just like all of us smaller fish, stumbled across a monsterous opportunity and has been positioning themselves to become a player, to any extent, in a really big game.

I do not believe that John Arlitt is the ultimate leader of this company. I do not believe that Rufus is as incompetent as apparent facts would suggest. And foremost, I believe that the events we have seen to date are somewhat irrelevant as to where we are going.

And before you blast my opinion, please realize that I have seen my position in this company rise and fall just like everyone else. I simply choose to wait to pass judgement until the bigger picture comes into focus.

... In My humble Opinion


"I do not have solid proof,"

makes sense to me...

"but I can offer some pretty good deductive reasoning."

that would be welcome...when will you start? [Razz]
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
It is sort of comical watching everyone using "pretty good deductive reasoning" in connecting the dots from Tut to Arlitt. Reminds me of my college days when Beatle fans across the world connected the dots from the Sgt Pepper album pictures, to playing songs backwards on the turntable, to the only one not having shoes on in the Abbey Road album cover to come up with the brilliant deductive reasoning that PAUL IS DEAD. LMAO. Heck, he'll probably outlive Ringo and be the last one to die.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
The only thing that matters to me is the execution of the business plan and action on resolving the legal dispute with the SEC.

Only that will reveal the true valuation of the company.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Anyone check PACER this morning?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
12 Filed & Entered: 11/28/2006
Terminated: 11/29/2006
Motion for Clerk's Entry of Default
-- Filed & Entered: 11/29/2006
Clerk's Entry of Default
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
History
Doc.
No. Dates Description
1 Filed & Entered: 10/24/2006
Complaint
2 Filed & Entered: 10/24/2006
Terminated: 10/26/2006
Motion for TRO
3 Filed & Entered: 10/24/2006
Certificate of Counsel
5 Filed: 10/25/2006
Entered: 10/26/2006
Motion Hearing
4 Filed & Entered: 10/26/2006
Order to Show Cause
-- Filed & Entered: 10/30/2006
Exhibits
-- Filed & Entered: 11/06/2006
Remark
6 Filed: 11/07/2006
Entered: 11/09/2006
Notice (Other)
7 Filed: 11/07/2006
Entered: 11/09/2006
Preliminary Injunction
8 Filed: 11/07/2006
Entered: 11/09/2006
Preliminary Injunction
9 Filed & Entered: 11/16/2006
Return of Service Executed
10 Filed & Entered: 11/16/2006
Terminated: 11/17/2006
Motion for Clerk's Entry of Default
-- Filed & Entered: 11/17/2006
Clerk's Entry of Default
11 Filed: 11/17/2006
Entered: 11/20/2006
Transcript
12 Filed & Entered: 11/28/2006
Terminated: 11/29/2006
Motion for Clerk's Entry of Default
-- Filed & Entered: 11/29/2006
Clerk's Entry of Default
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Filed: 11/29/2006
Entered: 11/29/2006
Entered By: Velma Shanks,
Event Name(s): Clerk's Entry of Default
Full Docket Text:
Clerk's Entry of Default as to Rufus Paul Harris (vs)


No Related Docket Entries
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
good morning everyone. I wonder if we'll see anything more in the way of news today.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Good morning Board!

So, the only person from the shareholder committee to speak out has been TonySoprano and his comments were negative towards Rufus.

The shareholder committee released a document some days ago burning Rufus.

Even Arlitt took shots at Rufus stating that he just wasnt the guy to lead this company.

Simon asked Rufus one night if he thuoght that the company was in danger of a hostile takeover.

Tut managed to gather a following over at HSM and managed to get a 51% majority vote to "de-throne" Rufus. Rufus "acted out" yesterday by toying with the CSHD website.

What does this all mean to me? Arlitt was most definately NOT in the plan IMO. I still stand by my post from yesterday, i expect more offensive actions taken against Rufus and/or the other officers from Arlitt and our committee.

"TheGreaterGood" - Could be anyones aunt/uncle but im betting its a relative of Rufus.

We havent heard the last of Rufus IMO. He toyed with the website yesterday to send us that message.

This is just my mind working in overtime. All my opinion of a seriously confusing situaton.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Catia, you seem to have a little more info than some of the rest of us, and even a shareholder committee "gag order" should not allow a select group of shareholders more information than others. Whether a person has one share or a million shares, he/she is entitled to the same information as the rest.

So, if you would be so kind, please produce the document from the shareholder committee burning Rufus.

And because of your valuable insight and contributions to this board (you got me rethinking yesterday), please answer this questions: If the scenario as you put forth is what has actually happened, is this positive or negative events as it relates to the company?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
So no one else noticed the Tut-ism in the last PR? He only said this sentence about a 100 times in his postings on HSM.

Almost as often as he mentioned the "Gates of Victory" or "The Cobra Striking"

Sentence from 11/28 PR: "My concern has always been and always will be for the shareholders in this company."

If this ain't Tut I will go turn him over in his tomb. [Big Grin] (or is he on tour somewhere?) [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Catia, you seem to have a little more info than some of the rest of us, and even a shareholder committee "gag order" should not allow a select group of shareholders more information than others. Whether a person has one share or a million shares, he/she is entitled to the same information as the rest.

So, if you would be so kind, please produce the document from the shareholder committee burning Rufus.

And because of your valuable insight and contributions to this board (you got me rethinking yesterday), please answer this questions: If the scenario as you put forth is what has actually happened, is this positive or negative events as it relates to the company?

Actually WV, ive watched things transpire in this saga for 5 months now and have witnessed things that are just bizzare. You are sort of "calling me out" but if you read closely im basing all of my opinions on public information. Im just connecting the dots as TheGreaterGood suggested.

The document i am referring to is not a secret document. Im referring to the document that surfaced some time ago after the committee was formed. Im on my work PC and am missing a lot of my "favorites" here, could someone please post a link to that document? I believe it was a Powerpoint (pps) file?

To answer your question, im not sure if this is good or bad or even if im correct. Actually, im hoping that someone with a bit more experience can tell me if there is any benefit to the shareholders "taking over" as they have.
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Good morning everyone.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
good morning board~
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Jenna ~ I think I have got a good start on "connecting the dots" and of course my DD will come with links. I will send you something in a bit. [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, i guess the document i was referring to above was not a pps file. Anyone have a link to the document? The one that the shareholder committee released after being formed?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
http://www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com/
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Good morning everyone! I heard this and started cracking up- thinking of all the "know boat" crew members that speak of knowing things through someone who knows from someone else

http://www.theroadtonowhere.net/BudLight/BudLight_MrHotStockTipGiverOuter.mp3
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Catia, please don't take the calling you out phrase as negative. Not my intention at all. You just seem to have a level head and post with backup which many don't do -- even me. Thanks for all you do here.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Good morning everyone! I heard this and started cracking up- thinking of all the "know boat" crew members that speak of knowing things through someone who knows from someone else

http://www.theroadtonowhere.net/BudLight/BudLight_MrHotStockTipGiverOuter.mp3

Dang you Its 9:35 Im at work and now Im thirsty for a BL
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Good morning everyone! I heard this and started cracking up- thinking of all the "know boat" crew members that speak of knowing things through someone who knows from someone else

http://www.theroadtonowhere.net/BudLight/BudLight_MrHotStockTipGiverOuter.mp3

Dang you Its 9:35 Im at work and now Im thirsty for a BL
Opps This is not stock mom My bad She is gonna kill me
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Good morning folks. I have not been following our little stock here for the past few days. Looks like they booted Rufus again, huh... Anyone wanna give me the short and sweet on what's happening?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, i stand corrected. I dont see that the committee was burning Rufus in the updates they offered. I must be thinking more about the posts from TonySoprano and the recent de-throning of Rufus. My information is seriously jumbled up these days, i need to better organize. Sorry for the confusion. [Smile]

No problem WV, i wasnt offended by being "called out". In fact, your questions were warranted and i spoke too soon before reviewing the shareholer committee website again.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Good morning everyone! I heard this and started cracking up- thinking of all the "know boat" crew members that speak of knowing things through someone who knows from someone else

http://www.theroadtonowhere.net/BudLight/BudLight_MrHotStockTipGiverOuter.mp3

Dang you Its 9:35 Im at work and now Im thirsty for a BL
Opps This is not stock mom My bad She is gonna kill me
Haha Dad posting under Moms login by accident. tsk tsk [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
CRab/Catia, thanks. I remember that letter now but just didn't remember how pointed the committee was.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
Happy birthday Rufus... best wishes for a wonderful day!

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
humble can you accept a PM
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Taxback your full
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
IMO, Rufus pushed for the shareholders committee ... he also mentioned someone else would be CEO, that he would step down in a relatively short period of time. Well ... that's what happened, right? Can we say how far Rufus is out of the loop? ... maybe he is in by involvement (he is a shareholder) but out by name.

Isn't this how Rufus left BBAN ... voted out? I cannot see why he would help set-up a shareholders committee if it could be the very thing that could potentially do him in! I do not think the shareholders committee would exist, at this time, if it wasn't for Rufus.

And yes Tex, many of us do express and read between the lines ... seems like most of this play is between the lines! LOL!!! BTW, I always apppreciate your perspective Tex, as I'm sure many do! GLTA
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Greatergood and all the other secret order of CSHD should concentrate more on getting this stock out of the realm of big talk into the realm of big money and business. So far inspite of what any may have said the knoboat is in about the same part of the water that it was months ago.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Jenna ~ I think I have got a good start on "connecting the dots" and of course my DD will come with links. I will send you something in a bit. [Smile]

Awesome Tax - Thanks!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
ok I will clear some space. (edited: space cleared)
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Yes...Cheers dude...let's light some B-Day candles and celebrate something big.

quote:
Originally posted by humble:
Happy birthday Rufus... best wishes for a wonderful day!

... In My humble Opinion


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Good morning everyone! I heard this and started cracking up- thinking of all the "know boat" crew members that speak of knowing things through someone who knows from someone else

http://www.theroadtonowhere.net/BudLight/BudLight_MrHotStockTipGiverOuter.mp3

Dang you Its 9:35 Im at work and now Im thirsty for a BL
Opps This is not stock mom My bad She is gonna kill me
Stock POPPA?
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
IF tut is arlitt and all of tuts posts have been removed from the HSM board my question would be why? RUFUS got us into this mess by talking too mutch, if tut is/was a majority share holder then some of his post may be considered insider info. perhaps that is why they were removed. have his posts on this board been removed?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
One of his blonde belly dancers called in sick. He wants to know if a shareholder could fill in for her. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
The Prrrrrrrrrrince of Dubai has spoken!!!!!

What did he say? Is he asking for someone to feed him grapes?

 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
HOD [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
YEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Hey im with Humble on this one.....

Happy Birthday Rufus!

Im saying it loudly so he can hear it from the bus he was thrown under. [Smile]

By the way, how do we know for sure that today is his birthday?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
"Muh hu ha ha" [Big Grin]
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Hi Chart!

Feelin good today! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] ?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I can't figure out why this company does'nt use a bond that they claim to have to make a business work. That would be extra proof that it's real. Instead everything is the SEC,SEC.
What was the excuse before that. Rufus horse was sick or something.
I had enough of Rufus and his fight the shorts $hit. If he wants to fight the shorts he should take his profits and go hire a legal team and do it on his own. I can only handle a certain amount of abuse by these guys.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
IF tut is arlitt and all of tuts posts have been removed from the HSM board my question would be why? RUFUS got us into this mess by talking too mutch, if tut is/was a majority share holder then some of his post may be considered insider info. perhaps that is why they were removed. have his posts on this board been removed?

I have never really heard anyone bring up the idea that maybe... TUT asked for them to be removed. [Wink] As CEO it would be bad if people kept going back three months of more and taking his posts out of context.

I would think a simple email or certified letter request could accomplish the entire removal of his own posts.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So...anyone? How do we know today is his birthday?

I find ONE Paul Harris born in 1967 in November but he was born on the 28th and his middle initial is "C".

There is a Paul R Harris born 3/2/1967 that has no state or city associated with the entry.

Having his full name and birthdate should ive us enough to find a great deal about Rufus and his family yet no one has uncovered anything yet? Hmmm
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
Hi Chart!

Feelin good today! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] ?

You da man ~ [Smile]
tick tock....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
tut needs to cover his tracts incase the SEC goes after him...which wouldnt be out of the question imo
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
One of his blonde belly dancers called in sick. He wants to know if a shareholder could fill in for her. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
The Prrrrrrrrrrince of Dubai has spoken!!!!!

What did he say? Is he asking for someone to feed him grapes?

Only if he signs a contract with Conversion Solutions!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So...anyone? How do we know today is his birthday?

I find ONE Paul Harris born in 1967 in November but he was born on the 28th and his middle initial is "C".

There is a Paul R Harris born 3/2/1967 that has no state or city associated with the entry.

Having his full name and birthdate should ive us enough to find a great deal about Rufus and his family yet no one has uncovered anything yet? Hmmm

Something ain't right....
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
This is absolutely correct. He got in minor trouble for pumping a stock about 8 years ago. He doesn't want that to happen again.

Now that he is running the show at CSHD, his previous comments could be taken out of context by people who are new to the stock and / or situation. Therefore, they had to go away.

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
IF tut is arlitt and all of tuts posts have been removed from the HSM board my question would be why? RUFUS got us into this mess by talking too mutch, if tut is/was a majority share holder then some of his post may be considered insider info. perhaps that is why they were removed. have his posts on this board been removed?

I have never really heard anyone bring up the idea that maybe... TUT asked for them to be removed. [Wink] As CEO it would be bad if people kept going back three months of more and taking his posts out of context.

I would think a simple email or certified letter request could accomplish the entire removal of his own posts.


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Happy Birthday Rufus!!!!

If it really is today........HHHMMM.... [Confused] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
We'll have to wait for the next decoded message to see what his answer is.
DID ANYBODY FIND A DECODER RING IN THEIR CEREAL BOX THIS MORNING? [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
One of his blonde belly dancers called in sick. He wants to know if a shareholder could fill in for her. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
The Prrrrrrrrrrince of Dubai has spoken!!!!!

What did he say? Is he asking for someone to feed him grapes?

Only if he signs a contract with Conversion Solutions!!!

 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey im with Humble on this one.....

Happy Birthday Rufus!

Im saying it loudly so he can hear it from the bus he was thrown under. [Smile]

By the way, how do we know for sure that today is his birthday?

HAPPY BIRTYDAY RUFUS!!! This is momma and I don't drink, bad poppa!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 6digits:
[QB] We'll have to wait for the next decoded message to see what his answer is.
DID ANYBODY FIND A DECODER RING IN THEIR CEREAL BOX THIS MORNING? [Wink]

-GULP ~

"Is that what that crunchy thing was?!..."
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey im with Humble on this one.....

Happy Birthday Rufus!

Im saying it loudly so he can hear it from the bus he was thrown under. [Smile]

By the way, how do we know for sure that today is his birthday?

HAPPY BIRTYDAY RUFUS!!! This is momma and I don't drink, bad poppa!
1/2 the board Catia family?!!

--you guys have the last name ...."Brady" -bunch.
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Humble - I love ya but I got to ask you- Are you friends with TheGreaterGood?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Can you throw up, i'm not sure, but it might be worth the effort to learn more of the companies progress.


quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 6digits:
[QB] We'll have to wait for the next decoded message to see what his answer is.
DID ANYBODY FIND A DECODER RING IN THEIR CEREAL BOX THIS MORNING? [Wink]

-GULP ~

"Is that what that crunchy thing was?!..."


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I feel like we have to be detectives to figure out this stock.....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
Poor rufus i remember him saying something to the nature of "all i got is my name....i want to make something of the harris name, not shame it.."..bahahahah too late
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
How about I get back to you in 12 hours... [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Can you throw up, i'm not sure, but it might be worth the effort to learn more of the companies progress.


quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 6digits:
[QB] We'll have to wait for the next decoded message to see what his answer is.
DID ANYBODY FIND A DECODER RING IN THEIR CEREAL BOX THIS MORNING? [Wink]

-GULP ~

"Is that what that crunchy thing was?!..."



 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I feel like we have to be detectives to figure out this stock.....

No kidding! I think I need to take some profiling classes!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anybody want to take guesses on if there will be news soon?


I say today between 6 & 8pm....

..and NO I don't KNOW anything - just guessing-


The know boat is stranded on Gilligan's Island...

j/k there is no Know boat - just as Portman says : there is no Know boat it's a NO Boat- "no you ain't getting my shares"...


Anybody else thing news is coming?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
wow .30!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
The only thing aabout tuts posts is that we have cut and pasted almost all of them here....
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Don't know if news will hit today, but I do know we are at the HOD!

Does anyone find that interesting?... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Fredgrasshopper on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
wow .30!

It is funny how things change. Now we are happy to see .30 LOL
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Anyone getting any of these shares..????
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I'm not sure about this, but didn't Lady in the house mention today as his b.day, I have a bad memory, Hey chart,got any relatives on here we can talk to. haha We all know Jenna's and now we are busted haha
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I'm not sure about this, but didn't Lady in the house mention today as his b.day, I have a bad memory, Hey chart,got any relatives on here we can talk to. haha We all know Jenna's and now we are busted haha

I thought Rufus said it on Subpenny radio
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Theoretically speaking, WITH the 6/1...

We are at $2.10... (.30 x 7)

Does that make anyones day?
[Smile]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Theoretically speaking, WITH the 6/1...

We are at $2.10... (.30 x 7)

Does that make anyones day?
[Smile]

It will when they are in my acct. [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
No- guys Rufus did say his birthday was Nov. 30th but there is no record of his birth....that's what Mr. C was trying to say & a few others....
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Theoretically speaking, WITH the 6/1...

We are at $2.10... (.30 x 7)

Does that make anyones day?
[Smile]

Only if it showed that in my portfolio!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Theoretically speaking, WITH the 6/1...

We are at $2.10... (.30 x 7)

Does that make anyones day?
[Smile]

Only if it showed that in my portfolio!
In your cornholio?... Oh! -never mind... ;D
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, so Rufus himself said it, good enough for me. Now to figure out why there is no record of it.

I go back to when he said on subpenny "You cant hurt me or my family now" in regards to the people that threatened him back in the BBAN days. That always stuck with me and i think it has some depth to it
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Theoretically speaking, WITH the 6/1...

We are at $2.10... (.30 x 7)

Does that make anyones day?
[Smile]

Only if it showed that in my portfolio!
In your cornholio?... Oh! -never mind... ;D
[Eek!]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok, so Rufus himself said it, good enough for me. Now to figure out why there is no record of it.

I go back to when he said on subpenny "You cant hurt me or my family now" in regards to the people that threatened him back in the BBAN days. That always stuck with me and i think it has some depth to it

I think because he put things into trust's (house)...
I think that's what birthday boy meant ~

-could be wrong, but don't think so...
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
We'll have to wait for the next decoded message to see what his answer is.
DID ANYBODY FIND A DECODER RING IN THEIR CEREAL BOX THIS MORNING? [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
One of his blonde belly dancers called in sick. He wants to know if a shareholder could fill in for her. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
The Prrrrrrrrrrince of Dubai has spoken!!!!!

What did he say? Is he asking for someone to feed him grapes?

Only if he signs a contract with Conversion Solutions!!!

Hey digi correct me if I'm wrong, but if the message is already decoded I don't think we need the decoder ring. Chart you can stop hanging by the bowl we really don't need the ring [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok, so Rufus himself said it, good enough for me. Now to figure out why there is no record of it.

I go back to when he said on subpenny "You cant hurt me or my family now" in regards to the people that threatened him back in the BBAN days. That always stuck with me and i think it has some depth to it

I think because he put things into trust's (house)...
I think that's what birthday boy meant ~

-could be wrong, but don't think so...

Yea but werent they specifcally making threats towards his family? Im not referring to his personal assets. Maybe i misunderstood it
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
OK, but it should'nt take that long. Need to look into speeding up the metabolism a liitle bit. Thanks in advance. [Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
How about I get back to you in 12 hours... [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Can you throw up, i'm not sure, but it might be worth the effort to learn more of the companies progress.


quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 6digits:
[QB] We'll have to wait for the next decoded message to see what his answer is.
DID ANYBODY FIND A DECODER RING IN THEIR CEREAL BOX THIS MORNING? [Wink]

-GULP ~

"Is that what that crunchy thing was?!..."




 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Humble - I love ya but I got to ask you- Are you friends with TheGreaterGood?

No, not close to any insiders. If I were I would not be posting on public forums.

However, I did pick up on the fact that TheGreaterGood was someone to watch a while back. His/her posts were just too directed and emphatic, and rarely challenged. Even without knowing a specific identity with certainty, I think TheGreaterGood is an example of the big eyes watching things play out.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
damn just bought 395 and it went awful fast... i bet i couldve gotten .23! could i have?
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Maybe Rufus wasn't born. Maybe he was hatched like a buzzard. Just kidding!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
ok guys, I have a deposition to edit....I'll check in a little later.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Originally Posted by ww2player
I think we should make a list of everything that has happened to this company since the merger was announced. Just as a reminder.

Please add any that I have left off.

Merger announced:

over 100million shares traded in a few days.. when a chunck of the float was supposedly bought up by a trust.

*** talks about the stock for weeks after Rufus promissed the $15 reset.. Yet they alway kept saying they don't know anything about the stock..

**********, Our-Street/Roddy Boyd attack 1,2,3,4 + times....

cusip number gets screwed up.

Tons of trading when the stock is supposedly halted during the symbol change. No Market Makers file any forms to trade it.

mysterious fake C&D letter.

cshd on the SHO list..

nobo showing 75 million shorts.

next nobo shareholder list showing a few million short.. but hundreds of names are left off the list..

nobo vs DTCC vs company TA book all have different numbers for the list of shareholder numbers.

Company gets the E, then gets it removed

SEC suspends the company and puts it on greys.. claiming the bonds are fake but can't seem to prove it because they can't access Euroclear.

Ceo(Rufus) resigns.
New CEO(Mike) fires everyone and brings Randy Mosley as CFO
Mike and Randy resign Rufus back in charge
Rufus cracks the whip on getting the shareholder committee in gear
Shareholder Committe fires Rufus and Brings in TUT
Tut brings back Randy Mosley as CFO
Default removed against CSHD
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
has the default against CSHD been removed??
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
has it........"?"
[Smile]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
nothing new on Pacer
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I feel like we have to be detectives to figure out this stock.....

Jenna, thats how I frequently think.
A lot of the evidence presented over the last few months leads one to beleive that the main product of this company is problems and delays, whether planned or circumstantial.

Hopefully this will turn around in the immediate future.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
ok gotta get back to work now....lol
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
has the default against CSHD been removed??

i dunno but i think they made a default statememnt yesturday ...new CEO moving fast i Like...
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Chart, good rundown and hopeful ending. Just a technical matter -- The SEC did not have to prove ownership at that point, the burden of proof was on the company.

----------------------
Ain't nobody taking the Christ out of my Christmas -- Merry Christmas all
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
New2 thanks for the list the other day.

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
ok gotta get back to work now....lol


 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
New2 thanks for the list the other day.

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
ok gotta get back to work now....lol


You are welcome!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
trade, why do you think that. Did you interpret any of the stuff that was on Pacer for yesterday?

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
has the default against CSHD been removed??

i dunno but i think they made a default statememnt yesturday ...new CEO moving fast i Like...

 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Hey New2,

How long are you going to be "New2stocks"?

At what point will you not be New2stocks?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
trade, why do you think that. Did you interpret any of the stuff that was on Pacer for yesterday?

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
has the default against CSHD been removed??

i dunno but i think they made a default statememnt yesturday ...new CEO moving fast i Like...

good question...I thought the threat is that the company won't fight the motion, thereby entering default on Monday?

Also, good point about the bonds: have never understood where that info was coming from, unless someone had access to hearing transcripts...

The "list" should include the FHAL debt, cleearing the way for "the merger."
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
From HSM...thought it was interesting if Rufus is in fact related to governor Harris

I have connected a dot and have been asked to post it here.

The Judge in the Case - The Honorable Clarence Cooper was appointed to the GA court of Appeals by then Governor Harris.

http://www.gaappeals.us/history/judges.php?id=58

Most recently, in February 1990, Judge Cooper was appointed by Governor Joe Frank Harris to fill a vacancy on the Georgia Court of Appeals and a few months later, ran a successful campaign and was elected statewide to retain that seat for a six-year term beginning January 1991.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

Just type in Conversion Solutions and you will see a hit. Remember the qualifications to have an account with EuroClear.

– adequate financial resources;
– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

Call your bank and ask them if they have a EuroClear account...bet they don't unless they are a major player.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
6digits, surfer posted this on page 19 a surfer
Member


Member Rated:
posted November 30, 2006 07:58
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12 Filed & Entered: 11/28/2006
Terminated: 11/29/2006
Motion for Clerk's Entry of Default
-- Filed & Entered: 11/29/2006
Clerk's Entry of Default
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Anyone getting any of these shares..????

I started chasing them again yesterday at .15. NOTHING! darn. Today I bumped by bid up to .20.

I don't want the share price to come down but if it does I'm there.
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
From HSM...thought it was interesting if Rufus is in fact related to governor Harris

I have connected a dot and have been asked to post it here.

The Judge in the Case - The Honorable Clarence Cooper was appointed to the GA court of Appeals by then Governor Harris.

http://www.gaappeals.us/history/judges.php?id=58

Most recently, in February 1990, Judge Cooper was appointed by Governor Joe Frank Harris to fill a vacancy on the Georgia Court of Appeals and a few months later, ran a successful campaign and was elected statewide to retain that seat for a six-year term beginning January 1991.

I believe this info was DD awhile back and there was no connection between the 2 Harris' if my memory serves me correct.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Hey New2,

How long are you going to be "New2stocks"?

At what point will you not be New2stocks?

I consider myself always new2stocks as every situation is different! I learn something new everyday! [Smile]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
oops already posted
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

Just type in Conversion Solutions and you will see a hit. Remember the qualifications to have an account with EuroClear.

– adequate financial resources;

– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

Call your bank and ask them if they have a EuroClear account...bet they don't unless they are a major player.

Good work! However, is this for the Bond (s), or stock? Sorry, I'm running beind but please clarify.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

Just type in Conversion Solutions and you will see a hit. Remember the qualifications to have an account with EuroClear.

– adequate financial resources;
– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

Call your bank and ask them if they have a EuroClear account...bet they don't unless they are a major player.

St. Matt that hit is NEW! I tried that exact same search a month or two ago when researching the bonds. I got nothing at the time. The ISN and common code look different too. I wonder if this is a New Bond? or something new that was set-up recently. Very Interesting.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
let start a "TUT" rally our ceos nickname is TUT...bahahaha tut tututututututut!!!
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Yes that was posted many weeks ago...when we first went to trial...

The fact that Rufus was indeed related to Governer Harris was neither confirmed nor denied by Rufus...

My Opinion...he's his Uncle or cousin of some sort...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
republicans lost! rufus had to go! bye bye

no connections...
 
Posted by portman on :
 
If you look at this you are seeing instruments issued by Conversion Solutions. for the bonds look by ISIN and you can see the issuer but not the owner.


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

Just type in Conversion Solutions and you will see a hit. Remember the qualifications to have an account with EuroClear.

– adequate financial resources;
– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

Call your bank and ask them if they have a EuroClear account...bet they don't unless they are a major player.

St. Matt that hit is NEW! I tried that exact same search a month or two ago when researching the bonds. I got nothing at the time. The ISN and common code look different too. I wonder if this is a New Bond? or something new that was set-up recently. Very Interesting.

 
Posted by portman on :
 
So you think RPH is an R?

Better do better DD than that...*hint* *hint*

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
republicans lost! rufus had to go! bye bye

no connections...


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
FWIW...

I saw how some glanced right over Tut, and even out right attacked him and/or called him names, said they could care less what he had to say, even made comments about those who posted his posts. Now, it's up to that very person to make you money on your investment. Hope lessons were learned...

Guess they'll listen to him now huh?...
And he isn't even the "big fish." -IMO.

There were some of us who thought to check EVERYTHING out and found a WEALTH of info with Tut. The clues were right there hidden in plain sight... Some were just blind I guess.

Ever hear the saying.. "history repeats itself"

How about "Hindsight is 20/20" or sometime's you "lose a battle to win a war."

Bottom line is the PPS is going up, ""WHY?""

I think Rufus should get the benefit of the doubt until the clouds have lifted... -after all "Many hands makes much work lite."

--Rome wasn't built in a day, I think this will be worth the wait personally ~

Look at our volume in plain sight...
-people are holding ~

I think we'll be having a very Merry CHRISTmas [Smile]

I wish you all the best of luck ~

StMatt as always.... "Nice Work" [Smile]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Not sure...can't verify that without the code to log in.

The important thing is that we have an account with EuroClear. Read the qualifications just to have an account. This is where very large banks, and even Countries exchange money... [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

Just type in Conversion Solutions and you will see a hit. Remember the qualifications to have an account with EuroClear.

– adequate financial resources;

– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

Call your bank and ask them if they have a EuroClear account...bet they don't unless they are a major player.

Good work! However, is this for the Bond (s), or stock? Sorry, I'm running beind but please clarify.

 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
If you look at this you are seeing instruments issued by Conversion Solutions. for the bonds look by ISIN and you can see the issuer but not the owner.


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

Just type in Conversion Solutions and you will see a hit. Remember the qualifications to have an account with EuroClear.

– adequate financial resources;
– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

Call your bank and ask them if they have a EuroClear account...bet they don't unless they are a major player.

St. Matt that hit is NEW! I tried that exact same search a month or two ago when researching the bonds. I got nothing at the time. The ISN and common code look different too. I wonder if this is a New Bond? or something new that was set-up recently. Very Interesting.

Hey Port, when Rufus made the statement, "how can they call fraud on their own bonds" or something of that sort, could CSHC accutually be the one issuing the bond? I may be way off, but would like your OPINION! Thanks
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
dangit, I'm never going to get my work done with all this interesting information!
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
this is a post from nov. 1st, alady in the house claimed to have been rufus mom. FWIW

ALADY

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I Would like to express how much I appercate everyone support and kindness that is shown for Rufus Paul Harris and his family. And no his father was not Jo Frank Harris of Cartetsville, Ga. But he was a Great, Loving Careing man who Loved his children very much and taught them to do the same.And I want to say something, I know that Paul [Rufus]he cares about each and eveyone of you. I ask that you keep Paul and his family in your prayers!!!


Thank You for Your Time
ALady in the House
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Arlitt is there for a reason. The Majority Shareholders (not the Shareholder Committee) placed him in that position for a reason.

That reason being they obviously felt he was the right peson to close the deal...to execute the plan.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
So you think RPH is an R?

Better do better DD than that...*hint* *hint*

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
republicans lost! rufus had to go! bye bye

no connections...


Portman- I guess I am to stupid to know what you are saying. I would have also assumed that he was a Republican based on the fact he received the Repub of the year award.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/08-20-200 6/0004418901&EDATE=
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Arlitt is there for a reason. The Majority Shareholders (not the Shareholder Committee) placed him in that position for a reason.

That reason being they obviously felt he was the right peson to close the deal...to execute the plan.

So Rufus himself could of been part of that decision? [Confused]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Take a screen shot of the Euro account with Conversion Solutions name on it and mail it to the SEC lawyers ~ lmao [Big Grin]

Wonder what Mrs. Black would have to say.....
[-she's Mrs. BLACK to me, as in Black Friday!]

Make sure you wish them a "Happy New Year"
LOL ~~
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OK I am done trying to "connect the dots" looking at the conspiracy theory... for a while.

I am ending up on some really wild websites, and believe I have fallen off the map on this particular trail. (Don't look now but I think the black hellicopters are following me.) [Big Grin]

All I know is if that Rock-fellar guy, and the builderbergs are involved in this with their 800 year old vatican secret police, and wild claims of placing Hitler, Margret Thatcher, and Bill Clinton into power. ... umm umm... If they ARE involved then I really can't do anything to stop the current course of events so why not let it play out.

If their not involved... then it is a waste of my time to look at it any further.

Man are there some major "nut jobs" out there! I don't know what scares me most. Reading just enough of their ramblings that I might start believing them, or by some sort of miracle their theorys actually reign true.

New World Order? Secret world governments? BAaah I need lunch!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Wow, with St.Matts info out hitting the boards we'll be IN the .30's in no time!

Hey, -been awhile since we played this game...

EOD .30
[Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Arlitt is there for a reason. The Majority Shareholders (not the Shareholder Committee) placed him in that position for a reason.

That reason being they obviously felt he was the right peson to close the deal...to execute the plan.

So Rufus himself could of been part of that decision? [Confused]
I would almost think he would have to be, Mike Alexander would have had to agree too... That is almost certain. [Cool]
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
I remember Rufus not answering the question on subpenny about whether he was related to this Harris.

From HSM:

analogdog
HSM Enthusiast




Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 673 http://assistive.usablenet.com/tt/ww...061301-2.phtml

Harris' administration is known for having made improvements in education through the Quality Basic Education Act (QBE) and for enhancing the state's economic development activities. Before his gubernatorial election, Harris served 18 years as a member of the Georgia House of Representatives, the last eight as chairman of the Appropriations Committee. His fiscal management brought higher bond ratings for the state and, during his term as Governor, Georgia was rated among the country's top 15 best-managed states by Financial World.

Harris earned a bachelor's degree from the University of Georgia. He and his wife, Elizabeth, have a son, Joe Frank Jr., a Cartersville attorney. The Harrises live in Cartersville.
__________________
Money of itself has no explicit nature. Money is what one makes of it.
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
Good Morning everyone, I believe Rufus answered "no comment" when asked if he was related to the former governor
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
IMO it is possible that Rufus is his nephew. Neither Rufus or his mother denied outright that there was a family connection.
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
Also there is a connection to the former governor and the town Rufus resides in.
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Does the company need to file an 8k to make a change official or is a PR enough?

About the whole website "fiasco" yesterday...
do you think they changed the name too soon (before the 8k was released), so they changed it back to Rufus as the CEO. I noticed that Mr. Arlitt was added again right after the 8k came out.
So maybe Rufus wasn't crazy posting on the website yesterday.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
FWIW...

I saw how some glanced right over Tut, and even out right attacked him and/or called him names, said they could care less what he had to say, even made comments about those who posted his posts. Now, it's up to that very person to make you money on your investment. Hope lessons were learned...

Guess they'll listen to him now huh?...
And he isn't even the "big fish." -IMO.

There were some of us who thought to check EVERYTHING out and found a WEALTH of info with Tut. The clues were right there hidden in plain sight... Some were just blind I guess.

Ever hear the saying.. "history repeats itself"

How about "Hindsight is 20/20" or sometime's you "lose a battle to win a war."

Bottom line is the PPS is going up, ""WHY?""

I think Rufus should get the benefit of the doubt until the clouds have lifted... -after all "Many hands makes much work lite."

--Rome wasn't built in a day, I think this will be worth the wait personally ~

Look at our volume in plain sight...
-people are holding ~

I think we'll be having a very Merry CHRISTmas [Smile]

I wish you all the best of luck ~

StMatt as always.... "Nice Work" [Smile]

I sure hope you are right about a very Merry CHRISTmas!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
Does the company need to file an 8k to make a change official or is a PR enough?

About the whole website "fiasco" yesterday...
do you think they changed the name too soon (before the 8k was released), so they changed it back to Rufus as the CEO. I noticed that Mr. Arlitt was added again right after the 8k came out.
So maybe Rufus wasn't crazy posting on the website yesterday.

done!! last night
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Chart, i was one of those that disliked Tuts games in HSM. Lesson learned? No sir. I still dislike the games he played there and just because he was voted the CEO of our company via majority shareholder vote it does NOT mean he is going to save this company.

I retain my orignial opinion.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Thanks Chart,

There are a couple of us that stuck behind Tut through the thick and the thin. Those people know who they are. It was just a gut feeling and I’m very happy that it looks like we were right. I do, however, understand why people weren't comfortable trusting a person who was hiding behind the guise of a 3,000 year old dead mummy. That's only normal and to be expected. Frankly, I would have worried if everyone felt the same way about him as we did. Just as it is with investing, that’s when it’s time to go the opposite direction.

Rufus deserves the same respect until the truth comes out...IMHO. His actions lately have led us all to believe that he is incompetent, childish, and some even say "crazy". Does that sound like the same person that planned for years and built the foundation for this company? Does it sound like the person who we have listened to on SPR so many times? There are several unanswered questions…

Did he plan his own demise by suggesting we start a shareholder committee?

Did he then schedule a SHC conference call among only those who hold the most shares knowing that they would ask him certain questions and / or have certain requests that needed to be accomplished…knowing that he would not please them?

Did he know that this action would upset the rest of the shareholders who were not part of the call?

Did he intentionally not return phone calls and / or e-mails to the SHC?

Did he intentionally cause the shareholder opinion to turn against him?

Did he know that if he didn’t respond to the SHC he would be removed from the company?

Coincidence...I think not. I think Rufus fell on his own sword. Not sure why, but I do.

I know for a fact that it's not the same man I met in Dallas...without a doubt! Some other force is behind his recent behavior. My only guess it that it is intentional in order to separate the shareholders from the anger towards him by the SEC and the Shorters. Another thing he mentioned in Dallas was that he wanted this to be “our company…run by the shareholders”. He wanted us to be a part of the company decisions and to have up to the minute access to news and financials related to the company. He said that when somebody in the company spent “our” money on something, he wanted us to be able to log in to the website and see the transaction. This, IMO, is the way companies will be forced to work in the future. He wanted us to be the first.

Let’s not dwell on the past or how we got to where we are…but instead, let’s focus on connecting the dots and moving this thing forward. I feel as if we have seen our darkest days and we have survived. We don’t know exactly why we had to go through this or if we ever will know the entire truth, but I believe that it was an important part of the plan. Something tells me that when this entire thing is said and done, Rufus Paul Harris will get a standing ovation when he makes his curtain call.

As always, I may be wrong…but I don’t think so.


quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
FWIW...

I saw how some glanced right over Tut, and even out right attacked him and/or called him names, said they could care less what he had to say, even made comments about those who posted his posts. Now, it's up to that very person to make you money on your investment. Hope lessons were learned...

Guess they'll listen to him now huh?...
And he isn't even the "big fish." -IMO.

There were some of us who thought to check EVERYTHING out and found a WEALTH of info with Tut. The clues were right there hidden in plain sight... Some were just blind I guess.

Ever hear the saying.. "history repeats itself"

How about "Hindsight is 20/20" or sometime's you "lose a battle to win a war."

Bottom line is the PPS is going up, ""WHY?""

I think Rufus should get the benefit of the doubt until the clouds have lifted... -after all "Many hands makes much work lite."

--Rome wasn't built in a day, I think this will be worth the wait personally ~

Look at our volume in plain sight...
-people are holding ~

I think we'll be having a very Merry CHRISTmas [Smile]

I wish you all the best of luck ~

StMatt as always.... "Nice Work" [Smile]


 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
So you think RPH is an R?

Better do better DD than that...*hint* *hint*

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
republicans lost! rufus had to go! bye bye

no connections...


for sure...he even donated like 200 bucks or something to be labeled as a republican "something"
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
everyone time to pump this!!! =)
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Dont get me wrong, especially Chart and St Matt. Im not saying i dont believe Arlitt can run CSHD. I am saying that the means in which he came to power is kinda questionable. Was it meant to be that way? Well, all along everything that has happened we believed "it happened for a reason" so maybe it is this time too. If Arlitt is meant to drive this bus then im happy to ride as long as he is ready for it.

As for Rufus, i still stand by him as well. In fact, in reference to St Matts post, i think he is still driving the bus. IMO of course
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Humble - I love ya but I got to ask you- Are you friends with TheGreaterGood?

No, not close to any insiders. If I were I would not be posting on public forums.

However, I did pick up on the fact that TheGreaterGood was someone to watch a while back. His/her posts were just too directed and emphatic, and rarely challenged. Even without knowing a specific identity with certainty, I think TheGreaterGood is an example of the big eyes watching things play out.

... In My humble Opinion

Ok Humble- sorry if I that was inappropriate & I didn't mean to imply that you were an insider- perhaps it's just that you look at things with a bigger picture in mind just like TheGreaterGood....Have a good day....
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
I believe that if we dig deep enough, we are going to find a connection to the Vatican. And probably Oprah as well.
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
Does the company need to file an 8k to make a change official or is a PR enough?

About the whole website "fiasco" yesterday...
do you think they changed the name too soon (before the 8k was released), so they changed it back to Rufus as the CEO. I noticed that Mr. Arlitt was added again right after the 8k came out.
So maybe Rufus wasn't crazy posting on the website yesterday.

done!! last night
I know it was done. What I was saying is that maybe that is why they had the names changing back and forth. The first time they had John Arlitt on the website as the CEO, the 8k hadn't been released yet. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by driver4t4:
this is a post from nov. 1st, alady in the house claimed to have been rufus mom. FWIW

ALADY

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I Would like to express how much I appercate everyone support and kindness that is shown for Rufus Paul Harris and his family. And no his father was not Jo Frank Harris of Cartetsville, Ga. But he was a Great, Loving Careing man who Loved his children very much and taught them to do the same.And I want to say something, I know that Paul [Rufus]he cares about each and eveyone of you. I ask that you keep Paul and his family in your prayers!!!


Thank You for Your Time
ALady in the House

She said he is not Rufus' father - she did not say he wasn't his uncle.....HHHMMM
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I believe that if we dig deep enough, we are going to find a connection to the Vatican. And probably Oprah as well.

Already found that connection. [Big Grin] Anybody that has anymoney at all was granted that money by the Bilderbergers. HA!

Here read this dribble... (I do find it interesting that both World Bank and Lehman bros. are mentioned here.)

quote:
"It should not be surprising to learn that there is on the international level an organizational equivalent of the C.F.R. This group calls itself the Bilderbergers....The strange name of this group is taken from the site of the first meeting in May, 1954 - the Hotel de Bilderberg - in Oostebeek, Holland. The man who create the Bilderbergers is His Royal Highness Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. The Prince is an important figure in Royal Dutch Petroleum (Shell Oil) and the Societe General de Belgique, a huge conglomerate cartel with worldwide holdings. The Bilderbergers meet once - or sometimes twice - a year. Those in attendance include leading political and financial figures from the United states and Western Europe. Prince Bernhard makes no effort to hide the fact that the ultimate goal of the Bilderbergers is a world government. In the meantime, while the 'new world order' is being built, the Bilderbergers coordinate the efforts of the European and American power elites.
"Prince Bernard's counterpart among the American Bilderbergers is David Rockefeller, chairman of the board of the C.F.R., whose economic base is the giant Chase Manhattan Bank and Standard Oil. Among the other Bilderbergers from the world of ultra-high finance are Baron Edmund de Rothschild of the House of Rothschild, C. Douglas Dillon (C.F.R.) of Dillon Read & Co., Robert McNamara of the World Bank, Sir Eric Roll of S.G. Warburg and Co., Ltd, Pierce Paul Schweitzer of the International Monetary Fund, and George Ball (C.F.R.) of Lehman Bothers."
- Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy

watch out for the black helicopters... [Big Grin] [Confused] [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Taxback, in an earlier you post you said you were following a conspiracy theory. In this last post you pasted that article and at the very end it says "no one dare call it a conspiracy".

Care to change your wording before those black copters arrive? [Smile]
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
Today, 03:01 PM #2497
sleepyrobot
HSM Addict




Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Hollywood
Posts: 1,009 so in addition to Tut's posts, TheGreaterGood's posts have now all vanished. WTH is going on here with vanishing posts?
__________________
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Maybe this is Rufus' family tree????

I was married to a widow who was pretty as can be
this widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red. my father fell in love with her, and soon they too were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law and really changed my life, now my daughter was my mother, cause she was my father's wife. To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy,
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.

Father's wife then had a son who kept him on the run, and he became my grandchild, for he was my daughter's son. mMy wife is now my mother's mother, and it makes me blue, because, although she is my wife, she's my grandmother, too.

Now if my wife is my grandmother, then I'm her grandchild, and every time I think of it, it nearly drives me wild, cause now I have become the strangest case you ever sawas husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpa!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Taxback, in an earlier you post you said you were following a conspiracy theory. In this last post you pasted that article and at the very end it says "no one dare call it a conspiracy".

Care to change your wording before those black copters arrive? [Smile]

Shhhh they are already here... i think. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dlab:
Today, 03:01 PM #2497
sleepyrobot
HSM Addict




Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Hollywood
Posts: 1,009 so in addition to Tut's posts, TheGreaterGood's posts have now all vanished. WTH is going on here with vanishing posts?
__________________

I think this is good. get rid of the evidence.

Like I said before we have most all of tuts posts cut and pasted here too.

Do we have them deleted as well??
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Dont get me wrong, especially Chart and St Matt. Im not saying i dont believe Arlitt can run CSHD. I am saying that the means in which he came to power is kinda questionable. Was it meant to be that way? Well, all along everything that has happened we believed "it happened for a reason" so maybe it is this time too. If Arlitt is meant to drive this bus then im happy to ride as long as he is ready for it.

As for Rufus, i still stand by him as well. In fact, in reference to St Matts post, i think he is still driving the bus. IMO of course

hes a smart guy...i mean what if it were chart walker, but only smarter being the CEO..u know chart a guy who wants things right and always does his hw, doesnt pump Too much, yet is very vocalized..ud be okay with it...cuz u are familiar with the person...i just like u have no idea who the hell arlitt is...how cna i trust him? i have to trust the committee, and the committee trusts him so ill rest on that..shareholders are running the company now
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
ncie ptost tra4de0
 
Posted by Spooky on :
 
I'm making a timeline, just to have some dates handy. Since I got into CSHD in early Oct, I am using that as my starting point.

Please correct me if I am wrong or if I missed something that might seam pertinent.
quote:

Oct 16
- 10KSB filed promising 6:1 "Threshold Price Reset"

Oct 17
- 10KSB/A updated 10K to clarify the 6:1

Oct 19
- 10KSB/A further updated (can't remember specific changes)

Oct 23 (after hours)
- SEC Suspends Trading on CSHD for two weeks

Oct 24
- SEC files complaint against CSHD http://digitalislandsinc.com/misc/complaint.pdf
- SEC issues summons against CSHD and RPH http://digitalislandsinc.com/misc/summons.pdf (these dates may be off a bit... don't the remember reason why though)

Nov 2
- PR issued Removing RPH as COB and CEO
- put MA in charge
- put Randy Mosley as CFO

Nov 3
- 8K was filed referencing the Nov 2 PR

Nov 6
- RPH and CSHD signed Preliminary Injunctions

Nov 7
- Trading commenced on the Grey Sheets (OTC with no MM's)

Nov 14
- NT10Q Filed
- PR issued handing the company back to RPH

Nov 17
- 8K Filed referencing Nov 14 CEO shuffle (no hard feelings)
- SEC files motion for Clerk's entry of default against CSHD

Nov 20
- 8K/A Filed updating Nov 17 8K basically just adding that Randy Mosley Quit too (still no hard feelings)
- This was also the date I believe the 10Q was due, but as we are on the Grey sheets it doesn't mean anything directly
- Clerk of court filed the entry of default against CSHD

Nov 27
- PR issued removing RPH
- John Arlitt is now CEO (most believe this a poster on HSM known as Tutenkhamen)

Nov 28
- PR issued reasuring that the 6:1 is still going to happen
- also stating that "Integrity Stock Transfer is the Transfer Agent for the company."
- and that "Currently we have retained a corporate and litigation attorney and are also finalizing negotiations with an SEC law firm."
- there was also a pep talk from the new CEO
- SEC files motion for Clerk's entry of default against RPH

Nov 29
- 8K filed referencing the Nov 27 PR
- this 8K includes some of the new CEO's resume
- Clerk of court filed the entry of default against RPH

Did I miss anything?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
OK I am done trying to "connect the dots" looking at the conspiracy theory... for a while.

I am ending up on some really wild websites, and believe I have fallen off the map on this particular trail. (Don't look now but I think the black hellicopters are following me.) [Big Grin]

All I know is if that Rock-fellar guy, and the builderbergs are involved in this with their 800 year old vatican secret police, and wild claims of placing Hitler, Margret Thatcher, and Bill Clinton into power. ... umm umm... If they ARE involved then I really can't do anything to stop the current course of events so why not let it play out.

If their not involved... then it is a waste of my time to look at it any further.

Man are there some major "nut jobs" out there! I don't know what scares me most. Reading just enough of their ramblings that I might start believing them, or by some sort of miracle their theorys actually reign true.

New World Order? Secret world governments? BAaah I need lunch!

Humble posted about the NEW change in tide with the markets, wonder if anyone picked up on that? New agers and environmentalists aren't hugging tree's anymore.

And these so called secret groups (which aren't that secret IMO) DO have an agenda, look at that impressive list of names that was on the minutes posted here awhile ago about that strange group we tried making ties to, The Trilateral group. These powerful people don't get together for coffee and donuts...

Want to really question your sanity?, put the fact that the Bible predicts a NEW WORLD ORDER, says first a union of Europe will happen... -oh wait, that happened already!, and they have their own currency now too....

Hmmmm.....

There's much MUCH more happening in europe and with the powerful Euroclear then what we'll ever know. Money IS power, so it has to be "controlled"

If this "new" world and it's market place that is taking effect as Humble and others pointed out in links, then there will be a shifting of "old" to the "new" and if by chance CSHD has found a grain of sand in it, we are indeed Golden IMO.

Projects will need funding, there is more money out there then what "the powers that be" know what to do with... Seems to make sense to fund and draw interest on "projects" pertaining to your ultimate goals would'nt it?

Bottom line for most of "us" -are the BONDS!
Why hold your shares if the bonds aren't real right?

Think, if we were all to pull off a scam with FAKE bonds what would it take?... How in the h*ll would we go about getting an account with Euroclear, or even get codes to open ANY account there????

*NO WAY IN H*LL Rufus did that on his own ~ IMO.

That is why we are here.

There are people who come in here all the time and call this a scam, laugh, poke fun, who cares?
I don't even address them, they aren't the ones who are going to put money into my account.

Look at a daily chart, yesterday there were trades at .15, today .22 - .30! Does the market know something? -would seem that way...

Ressistance (intraday) is at .27, we'll pop thru that on little to no volume. The right PR and we're off the gray sheets ~

I think the last 8k was HUGE. Why?..

It IMO was the laying of a SOLID foundation, it said to the world that CSHD IS here and WILL continue to be. The PPS seems to agree with my reasoning...

I still very much feel we have everything to look forward to here IMO ~

EOD: .30! [Smile]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
I agree...the market knows something...we wouldnt be up to .28 in the midst of an SEC investigation unless someone knows something.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Chart I mock it as conspiracy, but facts are facts. People al over the world are writing about these secret meetings. In detail.

I just don't know how it involves CSHD at this point, other than a few seemingly related ties.

This "crazy" article says it best in regards to the bilderbergers.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EE22Ak03.html

0.30 Hmmm? Sounds like a plan.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
I agree...the market knows something...we wouldnt be up to .28 in the midst of an SEC investigation unless someone knows something.

A+B=C

A - CEO with track record and credentials

B - Things getting done that need to be done

C - Market tentatively responds

IMO When a response is filed and it looks good there MAY be some more market confidence come back in.

If the execution appears lacking the price will fall again.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

Ok- What the heck is going on here??? There is a name on that list that I have seen before - Paul Martin (Canadian Prime Minister....)

New2- Can you see if that names on the NOBO list?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
C is so true... =)
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

Ok- What the heck is going on here??? There is a name on that list that I have seen before - Paul Martin (Canadian Prime Minister....)

New2- Can you see if that names on the NOBO list?

Hmmm, i recall DDing Paul Martin for some reason.....or someone very similar to that
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
LOL... [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by portman:
So you think RPH is an R?

Better do better DD than that...*hint* *hint*

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
republicans lost! rufus had to go! bye bye

no connections...



 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

Ok- What the heck is going on here??? There is a name on that list that I have seen before - Paul Martin (Canadian Prime Minister....)

New2- Can you see if that names on the NOBO list?

I don't see that name on the list Jenna.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
New2 - Can you check if a William Graham is on the list?
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 

 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"shareholders are running the company now"-----
common share holders DO NOT RUN multi-billion dollar companies! and the share holders committee is probably illeagle!.( going to call the SEC asking that very question! sick of the nonsense with this company!!) forming a share holders committee with the power to effect changes in management is a material event, why was it not 8K`d. and where is the 8K naming our new CEO? cant find it! all this wild speculation is worthless!! I AM SO FED UP WITH ALL THIS CRAP!!! THE BILDERBURGERS!!??? WHATS NEXT THE TRI LATERAL COMMISION! MAYBE RUFUS IS CIA!! MAYBE ARLIS IS A RUSSIAN SLEEPER AGENT!! CRAP,ALL CRAP!!!

Pathetic...8K is there... go to www.sec.gov
look at edgar filings...search for furia

Stop talking now. Thanks
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
New2 - Can you check if a William Graham is on the list?

I don't see that one either.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Interesting theory...boy do I feel stupid for sending my memo to Rufus... [Embarrassed]


quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
Does the company need to file an 8k to make a change official or is a PR enough?

About the whole website "fiasco" yesterday...
do you think they changed the name too soon (before the 8k was released), so they changed it back to Rufus as the CEO. I noticed that Mr. Arlitt was added again right after the 8k came out.
So maybe Rufus wasn't crazy posting on the website yesterday.

done!! last night

 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"shareholders are running the company now"-----
common share holders DO NOT RUN multi-billion dollar companies! and the share holders committee is probably illeagle!.( going to call the SEC asking that very question! sick of the nonsense with this company!!) forming a share holders committee with the power to effect changes in management is a material event, why was it not 8K`d. and where is the 8K naming our new CEO? cant find it! all this wild speculation is worthless!! I AM SO FED UP WITH ALL THIS CRAP!!! THE BILDERBURGERS!!??? WHATS NEXT THE TRI LATERAL COMMISION! MAYBE RUFUS IS CIA!! MAYBE ARLIS IS A RUSSIAN SLEEPER AGENT!! CRAP,ALL CRAP!!!

Pathetic...8K is there... go to www.sec.gov
look at edgar filings...search for furia

Stop talking now. Thanks

I think that 8k came out YESTERDAY?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
New2 - Can you check if a William Graham is on the list?

I don't see that one either.
New2- I know that William Graham took a job over for Paul Martin...I remember DD'ing them for some reason....I had seen there name on something now i don't know what but I am sure of it.....I even thought for some reason Tut was William Graham (I was wrong, of course) but I thought that they were on the Nobo list but perhaps I was dd'ing one of the businesses that invested & somehow came up with there names....

Mr. Catia- you also remember dd'ing Paul Martin?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Crazy things??

Oh yeah! ha ha ~~

I once told a few here in PM's something BIG that I thought might happen, and it did indeed come to pass, but if I would've put that thought out on the board I would have been laughed to scorn!!

oh, Catia.
I have always respected your logical input here and continue to do so. It makes a board stronger if it DOESN'T think alike... My comments were more to the slanderous remakes that some made.

FHALYESS -you here?...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"shareholders are running the company now"-----
common share holders DO NOT RUN multi-billion dollar companies! and the share holders committee is probably illeagle!.( going to call the SEC asking that very question! sick of the nonsense with this company!!) forming a share holders committee with the power to effect changes in management is a material event, why was it not 8K`d. and where is the 8K naming our new CEO? cant find it! all this wild speculation is worthless!! I AM SO FED UP WITH ALL THIS CRAP!!! THE BILDERBURGERS!!??? WHATS NEXT THE TRI LATERAL COMMISION! MAYBE RUFUS IS CIA!! MAYBE ARLIS IS A RUSSIAN SLEEPER AGENT!! CRAP,ALL CRAP!!!

Pathetic...8K is there... go to www.sec.gov
look at edgar filings...search for furia

Stop talking now. Thanks

Funny... He is really mad huh? [Big Grin] I was out looking at the 8K again when I came back to read his "emotional explosion".

Link to the 8K:
http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707706000095/cshd8k112706final.h tm

Oh yeah... and regular people do sometimes run multibillion dollar companies. Especially when regulating bodies suspend their trading and drop their Market Cap to the equivalent of a Penny Stock. There are at least three guys in my office that could dip into their pockets and buy CSHD out right. Now. Heck they just bought a company in LA for $510 Million, and I am going to one of theirs homes for a Christmas party next week. They are just regular Joes. [Cool]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
If any ones interested- there's a space between the dot & w...

http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Martin
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yes Jenna, i think it was when we were all hot on the trail of Tut the Canadian. Probably nothing but the name rings a bell, as does Willian Graham. I think William Graham sounds familiar because you posted it 10 times though. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Mr. C- you're killing me- yeah I think one day I posted it 3 times because I was so sure I was right...the only thing I had right was the Canada....
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
jenna you have a pm
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Here you go, connect the dots! They're even numbered for some of you 'slow folks' out there. [Razz]


 -
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
LMAO stocktrader! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Stocktrader...that is exactly what I thought I saw when I was connecting the dots!...but there was a broom in my pic! [Big Grin]
Are ya telling me there's no broom?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
So...how'd I do... [Razz]

 -
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Could be coincidence - found this name on the Trilateral site....

Stuart Harris, Professor of International Relations, Research School of Pacific and Asian Studies, Australian National University; former Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs, Canberra
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Very nice CRab!
 
Posted by portman on :
 
CSHD has issued no bonds that I see. You would see that under the TYPE header...well none through Euroclear anyway.

The ISIN of the Ven bond starts with US which means it is a bond issued through the FED. Which means the prospectus is registered with the SEC on origination from my understanding.

The bonds are too old to find them in the SEC online search. At least I have not been able to find them from that year.

You can see new Ven bonds prospectus in the SEC filings for VEN.

In the Euroclear system search for : washington mutual mortgage or REPUBLIC OF VENEZUE

You will see how bonds issued by them are listed.

that is what I know...or at least understand that I think I know...lol.
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
If you look at this you are seeing instruments issued by Conversion Solutions. for the bonds look by ISIN and you can see the issuer but not the owner.


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

Just type in Conversion Solutions and you will see a hit. Remember the qualifications to have an account with EuroClear.

– adequate financial resources;
– technological ability to use the Euroclear System;
– need to use the Euroclear System;
– sound reputation in the market.

Call your bank and ask them if they have a EuroClear account...bet they don't unless they are a major player.

St. Matt that hit is NEW! I tried that exact same search a month or two ago when researching the bonds. I got nothing at the time. The ISN and common code look different too. I wonder if this is a New Bond? or something new that was set-up recently. Very Interesting.

Hey Port, when Rufus made the statement, "how can they call fraud on their own bonds" or something of that sort, could CSHC accutually be the one issuing the bond? I may be way off, but would like your OPINION! Thanks

 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
CRab you conntected 20 and 3. BONK you lose
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
.30!!!! EOD !

Let me nail my first EOD! [Smile]
-or if it goes higher I'll have to learn to live with the disappointment of it....

Yeah Right!! LOL ~
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
It was in the spirit of CSHD...ya know...connect fuzzy lines to opaque dots...using invisible inks...

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
CRab you conntected 20 and 3. BONK you lose


 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
You guys are my type of people ...weird senses of humor and all lol
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Port you sound like you've been playing with Euroclear like my boys play with their X-box!
LOL ~~

-good man...
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
You guys are my type of people ...weird senses of humor and all lol

Should this play ever be over we'll have to form a SUPPORT GROUP! lol ~~ [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Did you really need to give those dots in his eyes? he really looks like he has been drinking the Kool-aid...all Zombie like...

Oh wait...that does look right... [Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
It was in the spirit of CSHD...ya know...connect fuzzy lines to opaque dots...using invisible inks...

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
CRab you conntected 20 and 3. BONK you lose



 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
You guys are my type of people ...weird senses of humor and all lol

Should this play ever be over we'll have to form a SUPPORT GROUP! lol ~~ [Big Grin]
This might be more than a play.

It might be a life changing event!

Don't you remember chart??

The bashers will need the support group.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Who is steelcityradio??


Originally Posted by steelcityradio
NEWSFLASH: GOOD NEWS COMING OUT AFTER THE CLOSING BELL FROM STEELCITYRADIO!!!!! SO STICK AROUND!!!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
its a radio station in Pittsburgh.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Who is steelcityradio??


Originally Posted by steelcityradio
NEWSFLASH: GOOD NEWS COMING OUT AFTER THE CLOSING BELL FROM STEELCITYRADIO!!!!! SO STICK AROUND!!!!

Somebody who will have their posts deleted tomorrow. HAHA!! ROTFLMAO!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Who is steelcityradio??


Originally Posted by steelcityradio
NEWSFLASH: GOOD NEWS COMING OUT AFTER THE CLOSING BELL FROM STEELCITYRADIO!!!!! SO STICK AROUND!!!!

Yeah!!

I guess Rufus and Benn are going to sing Christmas carols!! [Big Grin] lol ~
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
Just the short squeeze could fund a few companies!!!!
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
Dr. Byrne's Naked Short Selling/Fail To Deliver Slideshows

Dr. Byrne, CEO of Overstock.com, has created a slideshow series that explains in no uncertain terms everything you would ever need to know about naked short selling, and the systemic risk it presents to the US equities markets. The "Dark Side Of The Looking Glass" slideshow represents the first time the entire problem has been articulated in an easy to follow slideshow format, narrated by Byrne himself. Well worth the time to listen to.

The series is located at the Businessjive website (a great site and well worth visiting for other reasons):

http://www.businessjive.com/

Slideshow: Naked shorting explained

http://www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html

http://www.thesanitycheck.com/DrByrn...7/Default.aspx
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I keep picturing all the bashers in a circle talking about their problems and then all the longs outside the circle laughing at them, throwing stuff at them.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Pittsburgh radio stations...and I was in Pittsburgh yesterday....


***TWILIGHT ZONE MUSIC STARTS*******

Notice when greatergood comes out I disapear? Notice Tut and I never post at the same time?


***TWILIGHT ZONE MUSIC STARTS*******


 -
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Murnak:
Dr. Byrne's Naked Short Selling/Fail To Deliver Slideshows

Dr. Byrne, CEO of Overstock.com, has created a slideshow series that explains in no uncertain terms everything you would ever need to know about naked short selling, and the systemic risk it presents to the US equities markets. The "Dark Side Of The Looking Glass" slideshow represents the first time the entire problem has been articulated in an easy to follow slideshow format, narrated by Byrne himself. Well worth the time to listen to.

The series is located at the Businessjive website (a great site and well worth visiting for other reasons):

http://www.businessjive.com/

Slideshow: Naked shorting explained

http://www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html

http://www.thesanitycheck.com/DrByrn...7/Default.aspx

Never heard of the guy... he he ~ [link below] [Big Grin]

Wow you brought over a whole truckload of info ~
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
It's not nice to throw things at people...LMAO..


quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I keep picturing all the bashers in a circle talking about their problems and then all the longs outside the circle laughing at them, throwing stuff at them.


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I keep picturing all the bashers in a circle talking about their problems and then all the longs outside the circle laughing at them, throwing stuff at them.

I read that then saw Franks picture! lol ~~!!!
--to funny ~
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
You go Chart...nice post!

I'm referring to your soap box rant above...nice post! i could have sworn I heard (uplifting) music playing while I read it. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Boy i hope the .30 holds.

I have a feeling they will throw in an EOD trade at .25 just to p*ss us off.

And then a .30 again at 4:00:01
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Boy i hope the .30 holds.

I have a feeling they will throw in an EOD trade at .25 just to p*ss us off.

And then a .30 again at 4:00:01

awww now look what YOU DID!! LOL! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
on the button chart good call
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
Chart your good. .30 eod
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
Nice call chart!! can you make us close $1 EOD tomorrow? LOL
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
chart you are da man!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
YES!!!

.30 EOD

I'm going to print this out and put it on the refrigerator for all to see! [Big Grin] lol ~
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Chart- nice call!!!!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
[blush] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RyanPBF:
on the button chart good call

[Big Grin] [Big Grin]

RVBD and SLV up too!! yea
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Can someone explain to me what the new pacer document from yesterday was? Was the default terminated or was it filed?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Surf- RVBD - keeps climbing!!! I wish I got in it at $18!!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Surf- RVBD - keeps climbing!!! I wish I got in it at $18!!!

I owe that to my buddy in Hawaii.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Can someone explain to me what the new pacer document from yesterday was? Was the default terminated or was it filed?

Full docket text:

Clerk's Entry of Default as to Rufus Paul Harris (vs)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PACER Service Center
Transaction Receipt


11/30/2006 16:08:14
PACER Login:
Description: History/Documents Search Criteria: 1:06-cv-02568-CC
Billable Pages: 1 Cost: 0.08

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Catia... empty your chit out ~ [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Mr. C mailbox is full.....clean house Mister!!!
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Jenna, I can't PM for some reason yet, so to answer your question... NTRZ - $3 by end of Jan.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
so New2 it was entered against Rufus officially- that doesn't effect Conversion though correct?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Catia... empty your chit out ~ [Big Grin]

Ok, made some space. heh
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Thanks Repo- I'm going to try one of yours...

Thanks Reepy....
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Pittsburgh radio stations...and I was in Pittsburgh yesterday....

next time tell me...

SCR repeatedly ignores any type of contact. I have no idea who her source is but read her posts.

Last PR she said would be about RPH letting everyone know he was innocent and it was the majority Shareholders ousting him.

Then said RPH would be on SPR...it was a repeat.

So, here is your salt lick to take with her information.

Then again...we might get one...you never know....because we are talking about CSHD.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
so New2 it was entered against Rufus officially- that doesn't effect Conversion though correct?

That is what I understand....that was the only thing filed yesterday on Pacer.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Jenna the filings vs RPH came in later because he was served later than the actual company. Same entry as the CHSD entry.
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Jenna you're following Repo's advice???????

What's this world coming to?

LOL, just kidding. Good luck. Repo is right some of the time.
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
Today, 05:11 PM #2744
steelcityradio
HSM Newbie




Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Pittsburgh Pa.
Posts: 95 NEWSFLASH:SteelCityRadio & SubPennyRadio, Have done some investigatgating on John Arlitt. In the news article "Diversified Industries Appoints Director of Investor Relations Communications". In http://press.Arrivenet.com/industry/...hp/580513.html in the third paragraph, Simon from SPR showed me this: Mr. Arlitt will also assist the company in developing presentation materials, corporate mailing pieces, brochures, shareholder communication materials and any other collateral materials.
These are the things of an old Pumper and Dumper, But in our case, this is a good thing! why you might say? 1 He's a seasoned professional when it comes to the press and doing press releases, 2 All eyes are on him, So he can't "dump" cshd also he doesn't want to ruin his reputation with all of his connections around the world. So, Smile everybody who own shares in cshd and keep watching the green arrow and watch your pockets get fatter every day!!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
That is old DD!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Yes I have to say that Simon and Steelcity came up with some week old DD on that one....
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Jenna you're following Repo's advice???????

What's this world coming to?

LOL, just kidding. Good luck. Repo is right some of the time.

I prefer, "MOST" of the time... especially lately.
 
Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
 
LOL
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Yes repo- I not only find your pics funny when antagonizing the thread but your stock picks are good also!
 
Posted by IMAKEMONEY on :
 
frank021474 DONT BE A KISS AZZ,LOL
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
LOL- they are funny.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Jenna -

Check your PM please!
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
Randy Moseley has offered to return to the Company as its Interim Chief Financial Officer, pending D and O Insurance, to assist Mr. Arlitt in the restructuring and management of the financial aspects of the Company. --------------
why the sudden desire for D and O insurance? whats he afraid of? and what happens if he does not get it? is he out? will we need a new CFO? ( and i never like it when they use the word " restructure" in any public statement.)
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Jenna you're following Repo's advice???????

What's this world coming to?

LOL, just kidding. Good luck. Repo is right some of the time.

Has anyone ever followed him? I suck at pennies- I'm always too late or sitting on a dead one waiting for a run....so I thought I would try him....I'm also back to the Big Boards too....
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

This is part of the bigger picture that has caused me to hold through all of the negativity. Here is some more.

A short list of remarkably coincidental (relative to CSHD tidbits) attendees to recent Bilderberger meetings include:

- Lloyd, Ronald S.—CDN, Chairman and CEO, Credit Suisse First Boston
- William J McDonough (1997)[2], President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
- Pataki, George E.—USA, Governor of New York State
- Rockefeller, David—USA, Former Member, JP Morgan International Council
- Ackermann, Josef Chairman, Group Executive Committee. Deutsche Bank AG
- Wolfowitz, Paul President designate, The World Bank (Connected to the IFC)

Some fun reading:

- http://w w w.ifc.org/ifcext/enviro.nsf/Content/CarbonFinance

- http://w w w.ifc.org/ifcext/media.nsf/Content/LAC_IFC_Partnership_Oct06

Unrelated(?) but interesting:
- Euroclear now allowing setlement into the Middle East:
http://w w w.exchange-handbook.co.uk/index.cfm?section=news&action=detail&id=63499

Edited: By the way, each of these links ties to VERY recent information, as recent as yesterday. Markets are transitioning very quickly at the global level.

I hope some day to be able to sit down with a history book and relive these days that have been so confusing with all of the juicy details disclosed.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Humble....how are the people listed relative to CSHD?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
I also found this info:

http://www.bilaterals.org/article.php3?id_article=4996
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Ackermann
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Ackermann

I am lost here! who is this guy and what does he have to do with our company? or did i miss something?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
I think I am missing something!
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Humble....how are the people listed relative to CSHD?

CSHD has a confirmed Euroclear account. Who owns Euroclear? Edited: Actually, be sure to read about how Euroclear started and the role of each of the financial institutions associated with the aforementioned people.

Mike Alexander is sitting on a pollution credit gold mine down in Brazil. Which country is the IFC dumping money into - number 1, in fact, in Latin America?

Additionally, read about the financial instruments the IFC is advertising. The one about monetizing future cash flow should ring a bell.

Finally, I remember ties to New York politicians and, of course, Middle Eastern characters in a previous chapter.

Yes, this is a loose thread but it is hard to write it all off as coincidence.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Humble....how are the people listed relative to CSHD?

CSHD has a confirmed Euroclear account. Who owns Euroclear?

Mike Alexander is sitting on a pollution credit gold mine down in Brazil. Which country is the IFC dumping money into - number 1, in fact, in Latin America?

Additionally, read about the financial instruments the IFC is advertising. The one about monetizing future cash flow should ring a bell.

Finally, I remember ties to New York politicians and, of course, Middle Eastern characters in a previous chapter.

Yes, this is a loose thread but it is hard to write it all off as coincidence.

... In My humble Opinion

grasping at straws will not save this company. this " Bilderberg Group " connection does not exist. obsurd nonsense! -In MY humble Opinion
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Humble....how are the people listed relative to CSHD?

CSHD has a confirmed Euroclear account. Who owns Euroclear?

Mike Alexander is sitting on a pollution credit gold mine down in Brazil. Which country is the IFC dumping money into - number 1, in fact, in Latin America?

Additionally, read about the financial instruments the IFC is advertising. The one about monetizing future cash flow should ring a bell.

Finally, I remember ties to New York politicians and, of course, Middle Eastern characters in a previous chapter.

Yes, this is a loose thread but it is hard to write it all off as coincidence.

... In My humble Opinion

grasping at straws will not save this company. this " Bilderberg Group " connection does not exist. obsurd nonsense! -In MY humble Opinion
I don't totally agree or disagree with you on this point. I think I stated earlier. If these type of people are involved. We will never know, and there really is nothing we could do about it anyway. It is already done. If they are not involved then it doesn't do any good to dig into it.

Only time will tell.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Humble....how are the people listed relative to CSHD?

CSHD has a confirmed Euroclear account. Who owns Euroclear?

Mike Alexander is sitting on a pollution credit gold mine down in Brazil. Which country is the IFC dumping money into - number 1, in fact, in Latin America?

Additionally, read about the financial instruments the IFC is advertising. The one about monetizing future cash flow should ring a bell.

Finally, I remember ties to New York politicians and, of course, Middle Eastern characters in a previous chapter.

Yes, this is a loose thread but it is hard to write it all off as coincidence.

... In My humble Opinion

grasping at straws will not save this company. this " Bilderberg Group " connection does not exist. obsurd nonsense! -In MY humble Opinion
Which part of of those links or people came of as wild conspiracy theory?

Each of these things is directly related to CSHD (via widely DD'd information and information from CSHD filings) and each of the people mentioned is important in their own right, not simply because they are cronies through Bilderberg - that FACT is icing on the cake. This is all verifiable through a few clicks.

If you want Bilderberg conspiracy, how about this:
Steven C. Rockefeller, Jr. served as managing director for Deutsche Bank Private Wealth Management and was a key participant in the creation of the Deutsche Bank Microcredit Development Fund. He is the only son of Steven C. Rockefeller and grandson of former United States Vice President Nelson Rockefeller and a fifth generation member of the Rockefeller family. Rockefeller received his master's degree from Yale School of Management (purported homebase to New Order meetings including the likes of our current president).

Now THAT is grasping at straws. I'll stand by the facts in my previous posts.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I mean what do you actually expect to find on the Internet?

A **** posting of David Rockefeller's phone records where he called Rufus and said, "Hey kid, I know this is going to hurt but the Master of the Universe would like you to take one for the team here and fall on that sword. No worries, we got your back."

I mean honestly what do you expect to find other than half baked crack pots, and loose cannons?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
I'm getting a headache! LOL
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
How to become a client


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For more information please contact the Relationship Management team.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I mean what do you actually expect to find on the Internet?

A **** posting of David Rockefeller's phone records where he called Rufus and said, "Hey kid, I know this is going to hurt but the Master of the Universe would like you to take one for the team here and fall on that sword. No worries, we got your back."

I mean honestly what do you expect to find other than half baked crack pots, and loose cannons?

At least take the time to follow the links I posted before dismissing the research. All of this information is verifiable. I am well aware of the "crackpot" internet subculture that throws out some pretty wild things related to the world's elite. I do not subscribe to any of it. I believe in facts. Please point out which part you consider false or misleading and we can go from there. But please do some work on it first.

Nevertheless, we are all still speculating at possibilities so this remains my opinion - and fun reading at that.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I'd rather know that a bond is being used to fund a joint venture and other finacial prosperity news pertaining to this stock. I never did read where the SEC told CSHD that they can't do business. We are all supposed to already know how big this company is presumed to be.....After 5 months I think they should do something to prove it.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Din din time!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Humble, you are hot as fire right now and i think your addition of the "new" carbon credits DD should be read by everyone!

I need to read the Euroclear stuff again, wasnt the guy that started it some big wig British guy.

Off to dig.......
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Time for me to go home......no internet at home so I will catch everyone tomorrow!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I mean what do you actually expect to find on the Internet?

A **** posting of David Rockefeller's phone records where he called Rufus and said, "Hey kid, I know this is going to hurt but the Master of the Universe would like you to take one for the team here and fall on that sword. No worries, we got your back."

I mean honestly what do you expect to find other than half baked crack pots, and loose cannons?

Are you seriously disregarding this stuff as worthless to you? We have been trying for months to figure out whats behind all of this and some interesting brain storming is taking place and you are basically asking for it to stop? Afraid of the black helicopters now?

I had to read your posts twice, i really didnt expect those responses from you.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, so i have a question. Basically, im just trying to do some family research and find out if Joe Frank Harris was in the bloodline and ive become confused about something.

Anyone here at the Dallas Dinner or Ranch BBQ happen to catch what Rufus's wifes name was? On the picture site from the Dallas dinner one pic is named Rufus and Annisa. Does that sound right?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LMAO..now I get the confused part..the name and the date and the address??? LOL
Yes...wife...B-Day in Sept....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So her name is Anissa and she has her Bday in Sept? Did the Bday in Sept come out somewhere along the line?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I mean what do you actually expect to find on the Internet?

A **** posting of David Rockefeller's phone records where he called Rufus and said, "Hey kid, I know this is going to hurt but the Master of the Universe would like you to take one for the team here and fall on that sword. No worries, we got your back."


Mr catia.


I mean honestly what do you expect to find other than half baked crack pots, and loose cannons?

Are you seriously disregarding this stuff as worthless to you? We have been trying for months to figure out whats behind all of this and some interesting brain storming is taking place and you are basically asking for it to stop? Afraid of the black helicopters now?

I had to read your posts twice, i really didnt expect those responses from you.

I think/hope he was directing his thoughts toward mad money.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Asurfer, looking back i think you are right...sorry bout that Taxback.

I saw his Rockefeller post right after Humbles and i thought he was going after Humble LOL. I guess i should have read it 3 times instead of just twice. [Smile]

I think im starting to lose it too, that doesnt help.
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
what're we havin? [Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Din din time!!


 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
try linking with James Stewart Harris or Loraine Victoria Harris

that's who rufus GIFTED his georgia property to [Wink]

~BB

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok, so i have a question. Basically, im just trying to do some family research and find out if Joe Frank Harris was in the bloodline and ive become confused about something.

Anyone here at the Dallas Dinner or Ranch BBQ happen to catch what Rufus's wifes name was? On the picture site from the Dallas dinner one pic is named Rufus and Annisa. Does that sound right?


 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Hopefully some of you were able to find a better exit point today. Contrary to what you all might believe, I actually DO hope I'm wrong about this stock. I never like to see people lose money. I've just seen nothing here to convince me that this stock is anything more than a typical penny.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Guys calm down, Humble I am not dismissing your DD, I have read your links most of them twice based on my own DD.

I am talking specifically what is found when researching this type of stuff on the Internet. The thing about "secret" societies is that they don't really ever publish anything about themselves. Everything published is either investigative or theory. I did not pay a penny to go watch Micheal Moore's movie, I am not interested in the "big picture" presented from a biased opinion.

The only point I was trying to make is that I made myself sick looking at sites publishing the Independent Press view of the Bilderberger group. Half of them had links to UFO research, and Big Foot spottings.

If the Bilderbergers are involved and their agenda is to rock the financial markets like it's downtown Bhagdad, then there is not much I can do about it. I get the big picture, I can see it. They are doing deals behind closed doors that effect my world, whether or not CSHD is involved I really do not and will not have an idea. The powerful men involved in these groups can make the money appear just as quickly as they can make it disappear.

If they are involved in CSHD, we may be "golden" right up until they decide differently or decide to take their plans to some other outlet.

I repeat... there is nothing I can do but hold my position and wait till I see some action. I can look all day and not find the info they do not want me to see. I can "connect the dots" all day and not see the details in the big picture. I can predict next moves by the bilderbergers all day and not exceed odds better than 50/50.

I am not saying that this isn't big, just that I am not going to be able to sort through all useless hay to find the needle.

I have a list of Trilateral members that is about a 100 long. Each and everyone is rich powerful and capable of pulling a private string for CSHD. Until Rufus or John says my mentor is Peter Sutherland, H.R.H. Prince El Hassan bin Talal, Ricardo Hausman, or Lord Simon of Highbury. I don't have a definte DD trail. My eyes are always open, just nothing in site that is definite.

Here are the Trilateral Bios of the individuals I just mentioned.


*Peter Sutherland, Chairman, BP p.l.c.; Chairman, Goldman Sachs International; Special Representative of the United Nations Secretary-General for Migrations; former Director General, GATT/WTO; former Member of the European Commission; former Attorney General of Ireland

H.R.H. Prince El Hassan bin Talal, President, The Club of Rome; Moderator of the World Conference on Religion and Peace; Chairman, Arab Thought Forum; Amman, Hasemite Kingdom of Jordan

Ricardo Hausman, Professor of the Practice of Economic Development, Center for International Development, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA; former Chief Economist, Inter-American Development Bank; former Venezuelan Minister of Planning and Member of the Board of the Central Bank of Venezuela

Lord Simon of Highbury, Member of the House of Lords; Advisory Director of Unilever, Morgan Stanley Europe and LEK; former Minister for Trade & Competitiveness in Europe; former Chairman of BP, London

Good luck to All GLTA
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Babe,I doubt that i'm the connoisseur that you are, but I settled for rice-aroni frieid rice and a pork chop. Merlot wine, eggnog and coffee. [Razz]

quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
what're we havin? [Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Din din time!!



 
Posted by stockcop on :
 
No need to worry, I will police the area and straighten out everything !!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Babe I think you would have like it. I know you go for breakfast at tiffany's in Jersey.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Babe I think you would have like it. I know you go for breakfast at tiffany's in Jersey.

Shes a veggiesaurus i think [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
try linking with James Stewart Harris or Loraine Victoria Harris

that's who rufus GIFTED his georgia property to [Wink]

~BB

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok, so i have a question. Basically, im just trying to do some family research and find out if Joe Frank Harris was in the bloodline and ive become confused about something.

Anyone here at the Dallas Dinner or Ranch BBQ happen to catch what Rufus's wifes name was? On the picture site from the Dallas dinner one pic is named Rufus and Annisa. Does that sound right?


I suspect you already knew id find nothing with those 2 names huh. Is it possible to gift property to a horse? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Can you imagine the look on these guys faces when they find out that an outsider has just become the new CEO, and how do they keep him in the dark. This could be the biggest nightmare since the stepford wives, knights templar or the illuminati. [Cool]


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Guys calm down, Humble I am not dismissing your DD, I have read your links most of them twice based on my own DD.

I am talking specifically what is found when researching this type of stuff on the Internet. The thing about "secret" societies is that they don't really ever publish anything about themselves. Everything published is either investigative or theory. I did not pay a penny to go watch Micheal Moore's movie, I am not interested in the "big picture" presented from a biased opinion.

The only point I was trying to make is that I made myself sick looking at sites publishing the Independent Press view of the Bilderberger group. Half of them had links to UFO research, and Big Foot spottings.

If the Bilderbergers are involved and their agenda is to rock the financial markets like it's downtown Bhagdad, then there is not much I can do about it. I get the big picture, I can see it. They are doing deals behind closed doors that effect my world, whether or not CSHD is involved I really do not and will not have an idea. The powerful men involved in these groups can make the money appear just as quickly as they can make it disappear.

If they are involved in CSHD, we may be "golden" right up until they decide differently or decide to take their plans to some other outlet.

I repeat... there is nothing I can do but hold my position and wait till I see some action. I can look all day and not find the info they do not want me to see. I can "connect the dots" all day and not see the details in the big picture. I can predict next moves by the bilderbergers all day and not exceed odds better than 50/50.

I am not saying that this isn't big, just that I am not going to be able to sort through all useless hay to find the needle.

I have a list of Trilateral members that is about a 100 long. Each and everyone is rich powerful and capable of pulling a private string for CSHD. Until Rufus or John says my mentor is Peter Sutherland, H.R.H. Prince El Hassan bin Talal, Ricardo Hausman, or Lord Simon of Highbury. I don't have a definte DD trail. My eyes are always open, just nothing in site that is definite.

Here are the Trilateral Bios of the individuals I just mentioned.


*Peter Sutherland, Chairman, BP p.l.c.; Chairman, Goldman Sachs International; Special Representative of the United Nations Secretary-General for Migrations; former Director General, GATT/WTO; former Member of the European Commission; former Attorney General of Ireland

H.R.H. Prince El Hassan bin Talal, President, The Club of Rome; Moderator of the World Conference on Religion and Peace; Chairman, Arab Thought Forum; Amman, Hasemite Kingdom of Jordan

Ricardo Hausman, Professor of the Practice of Economic Development, Center for International Development, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA; former Chief Economist, Inter-American Development Bank; former Venezuelan Minister of Planning and Member of the Board of the Central Bank of Venezuela

Lord Simon of Highbury, Member of the House of Lords; Advisory Director of Unilever, Morgan Stanley Europe and LEK; former Minister for Trade & Competitiveness in Europe; former Chairman of BP, London

Good luck to All GLTA


 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
ewwwwwww diggy!
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
i just got off the phone with rufus, guy is looking for a place to hide...what a loser...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Serious, whats that about?

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
i just got off the phone with rufus, guy is looking for a place to hide...what a loser...


 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
yeah, me neither. at least i know i didnt miss something... LOL

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I suspect you already knew id find nothing with those 2 names huh. Is it possible to gift property to a horse? [Big Grin]


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya, I need to get to the gym later, at least it's 18 degrees here tonight.

quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
ewwwwwww diggy!


 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Hopefully some of you were able to find a better exit point today. Contrary to what you all might believe, I actually DO hope I'm wrong about this stock. I never like to see people lose money. I've just seen nothing here to convince me that this stock is anything more than a typical penny.

Hey Kevin;

 - [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Well, i know we have no idea if Joe Frank is related at all but the thought interests me. He just unloaded a nice chunk of Aflac shares a couple of weeks ago. Maybe he needed Christmas money LOL

http://b i z.yahoo.com/t/86/891.html

15-Nov-06 40,000 AFL Option Exercise at $13.66 per share.
(Cost of $546,400)
15-Nov-06 40,000 AFL Sale at $44.30 per share.
(Proceeds of $1,772,000)
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
mr. catia I think he sold that to load up on CSHD.

Quack, Quack
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
SPR is playing last nights song request by Rufus,
Fleetwood Mac doing Oh Well.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
mr. catia I think he sold that to load up on CSHD.

Quack, Quack

I wondered if someone would follow my que. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stockcop:
No need to worry, I will police the area and straighten out everything !!

You're killing me!!!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
mr. catia I think he sold that to load up on CSHD.

Quack, Quack



did somebody say que? the duck?

 -
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Speaking of that wonderful duck, I hear thats one of the few stocks that you may purchase directly from the company without brokerage fees!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well I decided to take one for the team and go look on one of those stupid Geneology web sites for Rufus or his dad.

Nothing to report... I tell you the things I do for this stock. I preferred looking through all the rap b l o g s for info on Rocky Road Records.

HAHA!! Did you know there was a big foot sighting out side Calamazoo! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: OK this was just funny to me... One listing for a Rufus Harris had him being shot by a Canaday over $20... [Big Grin]

THIS IS NOT OUR RUFUS OR OUR CANADAY BUT IT IS FUNNY.

quote:
The family rumors are that my Harris's went back and forth between SC. Supposedly Rufus owned about 200 acres and was shot by his son in law, a Kennedy/Canady over a $20 gold piece. He supposedly had a daughter named Annie. My grandfathers name was Robert Morgan Harris who left my grandmother several times during the 1920's and ended up a policeman in Belton, SC. He is supposed to be buried at Providence Baptist Church. I can't get a response from anyone at Providence and have hit brick walls.

 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
boards are active again, we should see .30+ tomorrow BYah! Byah!
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
WOW, LOL.

If it'll make the stock go up, whatever it takes I guess...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
i just got off the phone with rufus, guy is looking for a place to hide...what a loser...

Callin bull on this.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
i just got off the phone with rufus, guy is looking for a place to hide...what a loser...

Callin bull on this.
Id say thats a good call
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
i just got off the phone with rufus, guy is looking for a place to hide...what a loser...

Trade- are you smokin' again?
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
I heard Rufus is on SPR. Anyone listening?
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
LOL, well, enough of this fiasco for me tonight. I gotta get some sleep for that big test tomorrow.

Ya'll have a great night and see ya tomorrow sometime.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yes he is on and saying John is not CEO. Some how he got the codes to file the 8K (CORRECTION) He is not saying John is not CEO he is saying believe the 8K.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
I heard Rufus is on SPR. Anyone listening?

Yes he is cassity!
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Yes he is on and saying John is not CEO. Some how he got the codes to file the 8K

FIGURES!
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Please update, I'm at work and can't listen. Thank you!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Humble,

I really appreciate your posts. Very insightful, balanced and ...well...humble. Keep up the good work. Any way you can turn on your PM capability?

quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bilderberg_attendees

This is part of the bigger picture that has caused me to hold through all of the negativity. Here is some more.

A short list of remarkably coincidental (relative to CSHD tidbits) attendees to recent Bilderberger meetings include:

- Lloyd, Ronald S.—CDN, Chairman and CEO, Credit Suisse First Boston
- William J McDonough (1997)[2], President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York
- Pataki, George E.—USA, Governor of New York State
- Rockefeller, David—USA, Former Member, JP Morgan International Council
- Ackermann, Josef Chairman, Group Executive Committee. Deutsche Bank AG
- Wolfowitz, Paul President designate, The World Bank (Connected to the IFC)

Some fun reading:

- http://w w w.ifc.org/ifcext/enviro.nsf/Content/CarbonFinance

- http://w w w.ifc.org/ifcext/media.nsf/Content/LAC_IFC_Partnership_Oct06

Unrelated(?) but interesting:
- Euroclear now allowing setlement into the Middle East:
http://w w w.exchange-handbook.co.uk/index.cfm?section=news&action=detail&id=63499

Edited: By the way, each of these links ties to VERY recent information, as recent as yesterday. Markets are transitioning very quickly at the global level.

I hope some day to be able to sit down with a history book and relive these days that have been so confusing with all of the juicy details disclosed.

... In My humble Opinion


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
st. matt you listening to this???
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
this whole thing is beyond comprehension.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
I almost don't care that I lose my money anymore. This is just beyond explanation now.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yea its beyond comprehension and explaination both
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
No...not sure I want to...what is he saying?

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
st. matt you listening to this???


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Said there was some collaboration between Don and John to get an 8K filed.
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Can somebody PLEASE update. I can't listen right now. TIA [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
check pm st. matt!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus sounds angry at John but said he will cooperate & give John anything he needs.....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
He said he wont hold Johns hand in anything they might have trouble with later. He said John isnt good enough looking.

Rufus is pretty heated.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Don?
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Said there was some collaboration between Don and John to get an 8K filed.


 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Don the transfer agent.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Rufas is amazed that they got done what they have done. He said he will cooperate with the new management, but he will need compensation to hand hold for them.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
He said "Ladies the shoe size does match the other" heh

Hes teasing that he is getting asked silly questions
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
He may wear a 10 in boots, but the real question is what size jumpsuit does he wear? [Eek!]
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Damn, I was planning on getting some work done tonight.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S: Are you related to the former Govenor Harris?

R: OOH C'mon with this again...What do you want to know my boot size...by the way ladies it is true boot size does match...(laugh)


NICE RUFUS- NICE!!! EEEWW!!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
rufus wife got on the phone.... LOL

Man this is too much............roflmao
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R: Say hi to my beautiful wife.....

A woman: Hello...today is his birthday did he tell you that? [Eek!]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
he has no attorney for himself.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
He just admitted it was him on the website.

said he could do it again if he wanted to. But he wont, he wants to see what happens next
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Supposedly in 6 months Rufas could not get the codes to file with Edgar. All filings went through Don at the transfer agent. So John would of had to know how to get something filed through Don.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S: Did you hack into the website?

R: Did I hack? Who asked that?

S: Bull Runner

R: Do you even know who's website that is- who's name is on the credit card that pays for it? I can go on there now-
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Notes from SPR (thanks surfer)

-John can have what ever he wants but it will cost him
-Rufus won't work for free
-Governor Harris? he won't answer...
Q why did he allow the judgement of defalt?
A -Why not? Because even if he pulls down on the bonds the SEC was still going to call it fraud...
-he has not hired a lawyer
-Yes it was him that "hacked" the website...
but it's his account anyways...
(edit) no he didn't...hell no)
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
For what its worth, his wife was laughing and carrying on like it was a party. There is no stress in that household tonight from the sounds of it. That speaks volumes to me...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Is Rufus drunk?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Is Rufus drunk?

Probably. Its his birthday....let the man speak. [Smile]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
keeps saying good for John. He got the codes.

I tip my hat to him. that means a lot from a cowboy.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
is everone to stunned too type???
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
He sounds mad at John one minute than rooting him on the next.....

Rufus says he owns over 7,000,000 shares.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
"I love the shareholders commitee, I asked them to form it...."
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Fears have been realized... John Arlitt and Dogman used everyones share information on the shareholder comittee to proclaim a vote and unanamous decision.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Jenna -

You have mail.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R: "I'm not scorned...I'm behind you 100%...What do you need John....It will cost you $1,000,000...John is the one who wrote the letter that got put right in front of President Bush..."
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Says it is gonna cost then about 500K a piece to retain Rufas and Ben to get everything done.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I don't know if stunned is the word...
this is f'd UP!

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
is everone to stunned too type???


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S: "People are saying shareholders are saying thanks to you we've lost a lot of money & we're glad your gone...."

R: ".......That's all right I've got my documents....Why did you delete the company's email records?"
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Said John deleted the company email records today. Should be interesting when John has to tell that to a Federal Judge.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Anyone got a time machine?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I don't know if stunned is the word...
this is f'd UP!

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
is everone to stunned too type???


10!!! You're funny!!!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I am completely miffed!!!!

un friggin believable!!!!!!!!!!!!

now anthony is on......
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Someone IM Simon and tell him to remind Rufus to takes his meds. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well who do we like now? Wow this is seriously messed up.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Well, im not hangin out for any more of this tonight. Itll all be here for me in the morning. [Smile]

Good night

PS - I said this morning. Rufus is under a bus, dont forget who gotchya'all here
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Here's Anthony.....

A: "If Rufus is saying that the SHC is required by Proxy vote then When they had the 1st vote - when Mike Alexander why didn't they have a proxy vote then?"
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I can say this is very bad IMO... I have to go look again at Arlitt. Who just hijacked the carbon credits?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
A: "I was one of the guys in on the phone call- if the SEC- says you have to draw down on the bonds if you were scared to draw down then why didn't you get a lawyer?"
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Does anybody get the feeling they are going to say that they removed Rufus wrongly & he's going to have to come back? I don't know what they are getting at.....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
The way that I understnad it...the "shareholders" didn't vote...They couldn't have...even this committee...did NOT have any way to know for sure what amount of shares these people on this committee had...THEY DIDN't have a vote in this...they ONLY wrote a letter...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
A light just went off in Anthony's head.

He was part of the illegal action.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I wish John would hire Rufus as the secretary to answer the phones.


No seriously the two of them together would probably be great.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
A: " I got the sense that he wanted to do what his agenda was & he was hurting a lot of people & I thought it was a crazy move not to have a lawyer."
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It seems like Rufus is always having fun at the
expense of the shareholders peace of mind.

Simon tell Rufus he just needs a real good a$$ kicking.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus is back on.........
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This is weird- it almost seems orchestrated.....
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
LAKE DALLAS, TX -- (MARKET WIRE) -- November 30, 2006 -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following current events have taken place:

On November 30, 2006 Conversion Solutions entered into an agreement with the law firm of Fields, Howell, Athans, & McLaughlin "FHAM" with Mr. Terry R Howell as the company's corporate and litigation attorney.

We have retained the services of MPR Source, Inc. as the company's public relations firm.

James Gee has resigned as the Chairman of the Shareholders Committee. "I regretfully must step down as the former CEO appointed Chairman of the Shareholders Committee. My tireless efforts in supporting the committee have been my pleasure but due to personal time restraints, I cannot devote the required time to the shareholders," stated former Chairman of the Shareholder Committee James Gee.

Mark Porterfield has been appointed by CEO John L. Arlitt as Chairman of the Shareholders Committee. "I would like to thank James for all his effort to get the ball rolling with the committee. He can never be thanked enough for the effort he put forth on this project. Moving forward, the Committee will have the singular focus to develop the basic infrastructure that will guide the future of the Shareholder Committee. This will include developing the basic governance structure, website, communication, audit procedures. By developing the basic infrastructure of the committee we will be able to move from an appointed committee to one elected from the shareholder base.

"Over the next few days and weeks the website (www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com) will be updated with several announcements. Please check here often for updates and information," stated Mark Porterfield, Chairman of the Shareholders Committee.

Dated: November 30, 2006.

About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at http://www.cvsu.us/.

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. Safe Harbor Statement

Information provided in this press release may contain statements relating to current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based upon management's current estimates and projections of future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the date hereof, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.



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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Oh my gosh - I don't believe what I am hearing....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
He should have lawyers regardless of whats going on IMO.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Wow...Anthony claims that he voted...but he is not on the committee?
WTF?
so all the "inside group" that were in on that phone call got called and allowed to "vote"?

WTF is that?

Rufus admitts to appointing James Gee to the committe..
BUT where does it state that the SHC have the authority to remove an officer?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
OK there we go. Now may no more talking horse$hit on court dates and stuff.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Oh my goodness- it wasn't done legally???? What does that mean??? Do they have to bring him back?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Glad to see the PR - John hired a lawfirm!!!

I'm so confused!!!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Wow...Anthony claims that he voted...but he is not on the committee?
WTF?
so all the "inside group" that were in on that phone call got called and allowed to "vote"?

WTF is that?

Rufus admitts to appointing James Gee to the committe..
BUT where does it state that the SHC have the authority to remove an officer?

you may be onto something...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
A noterized document went out to a select number of people and that is how they voted.

If they do not have a proxy statement and business plan in the hand of every shareholder by Dec 7th then the chit will hit the fan.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Glad to see the PR - John hired a lawfirm!!!

I'm so confused!!!

lol, *what* could you possibly be confused about?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Hey at least John got us an attorney!!!!!
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Fears have been realized... John Arlitt and Dogman used everyones share information on the shareholder comittee to proclaim a vote and unanamous decision.

No they did not.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
RUFUS is PISSED!!!

This John is goin...he is going to be out...AND this is done...IMO [Mad] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
If Rufus is saying the only people who could vote are the people on the board - well there was no Board besides him was there? So who's next in line? Is it the Chairman of the SHC that has the right to vote? That would only be James Gee....I don't get it... What is going to happen?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
If they did it illegally would Rufus have let them. Sounds whimpy to me for big bad fighting Rufus. Thats not much defense of the company.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I'm agreeing with port here..
BUT...
IF the peeps that were in on that call were the only ones allowed to vote? PORT? that is WRONG!

quote:
Originally posted by portman:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Fears have been realized... John Arlitt and Dogman used everyones share information on the shareholder comittee to proclaim a vote and unanamous decision.

No they did not.

 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus is yelling- I never heard him yell....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
http://www.fieldshowell.com/
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Port? I'm not saying you are wrong...I am saying that "this" was done wrong...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anthony is calling Rufus out....he's saying he didn't do what he said he was going to do that's why they were upset....
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
If they did it illegally would Rufus have let them. Sounds whimpy to me for big bad fighting Rufus. Thats not much defense of the company.

I do not like the way Rufus plays the game but I do believe he still has the deck ridiculously stacked in his favor. Why?

The entire first phase of this company hinges on the ability to hypothecate the existing bonds AND the interpersonal relationships with the other players... Rufus, and to a lesser extent Ben, have both of those aces and so I do not see anyone doing anything without Rufus. If this does turn out to be a power play and John and others are up to no good then I see them getting burned. I hope that is not what is happening but IF it is then we'll still be alright in the face of another obstacle.

In order to touch those bonds in Euroclear you will need to be the authorized signatory and present a passport number - that is Rufus. I'm pretty sure Rufus did not leave that valuable information laying around.

The John takeover never felt right to me. I initially wrote it off as a way to appease the SEC; now it seems there is something else going on. Rufus always spoke like there was a person waiting in the shadows to take over CSHD and a semi-hostile shareholder takeover does not fit that plan. Remember when Rufus said that CSHD needed a "prettier face" as CEO? Well he just said John is not pretty enough. Nice clue big guy.

Heres hoping this gets smoothed out quickly, for everyone involved.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
They removed Rufus illegally... It is probably good John got us a lawyer. Sounds like we are going to need it.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
http://www.lawyers.com/Georgia/Atlanta/Fields,-Howell,-Athans-and-McLaughlin-321 9236-f.html
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
From the November 27, 2006 press release:

On November 27, 2006, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. shareholders, representing 51+% of the eligible voting shares of the Company, based on a unanimous recommendation from the CSHD Shareholder Committee, have voted and agreed to remove Mr. Rufus Paul Harris as Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board due to, but not limited to, the following reasons:

The committee ONLY brought forth the “RECOMMENDATION”, the “ELIGIBLE VOTING SHARES” made the vote!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
MVEN? Or MN? Who's on the phone...?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This is an interesting client of theirs....

Representative Clients:
Underwriters at Lloyd's of London
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
lol...

you guys are high-strung
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
The shareholders are in a catch 22 with this scenario.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
HUH? I'm not...this is just a joke...period!
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
lol...

you guys are high-strung


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Oh my gosh - I don't believe what I am hearing....

what were you hearing?...when you posted this message?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Would somebody IM Simon and tell him of the news?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tex- it was Rufus arguing the point about the vote not being legal to oust him....I am shocked almost everyday - just when you think nothing else can shock you- BOOM!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Rufus says that we are automatically going to be charged with fraud regardless of hypothecation etc.???????????
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
HUH? I'm not...this is just a joke...period!
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
lol...

you guys are high-strung


kewl...

what's the joke...?

I been playing trim carpenter, all day...and damn glad of it...considering our weather [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
it's interesting that this news came out right now at he same time Rufus is talking to the world about things he won't PR to the shareholders.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Rufus says that we are automatically going to be charged with fraud regardless of hypothecation etc.???????????

Why - if they haven't committed fraud....doesn't make sense...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Rufas pulled against the Bonds that is the meaning of the NEW Euroclear hit. We saw today.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Rufus just mentioned that Euroclear proved the credit facility hence the listing today...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Rufus says that we are automatically going to be charged with fraud regardless of hypothecation etc.???????????

Thats just more good reasons that he should be talking to legal experts as far as i'm concerned.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Rufas pulled against the Bonds that is the meaning of the NEW Euroclear hit. We saw today.

But he just said if he hypothicated he would be charged with fraud anyway.....Which is it?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
Rufus just mentioned that Euroclear proved the credit facility hence the listing today...

As I recall, he's said that before...
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Portman, are you the new CEO of the shareholders committee?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Rufas pulled against the Bonds that is the meaning of the NEW Euroclear hit. We saw today.

Tax - is he basically confirming the bonds right now with the EuroClear website?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Rufas pulled against the Bonds that is the meaning of the NEW Euroclear hit. We saw today.

But he just said if he hypothicated he would be charged with fraud anyway.....Which is it?
To my layman approach it's pure unadulterated bull$hit on behalf of the SEC. Good time for a grease squad.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Well now he is making sense.

He stating that euroclear info. proves we are holding the bonds
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
i cant listen in says its full did rufus say something stupid and damaging?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
Portman, are you the new CEO of the shareholders committee?

HMMMM????
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
This is weird- it almost seems orchestrated.....

man oh man, why did I have to check in? I was going to bed and know I'm hooked again.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
something about some guy named trade said he ran
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yep and he was removed prematurely and illegally by a handful of shareholders. By not following rules.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
you have to follow rules and regulations....

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Yep and he was removed prematurely and illegally by a handful of shareholders. By not following rules.

Are you sure?

and do you want him back?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
he doesn't even know about the PR yet
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wow - Rufus - He's mad at the shareholders...he said
To shareholders
"what do you want me to say? That I love you? You didn't start this... You said I didn't live up to my fudiciary responsibilities....you hung me out...that's screaming fraud....(I'm not quite sure if I got that exactly right)"
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
Portman, are you the new CEO of the shareholders committee?

BUMP
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
nice 1.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Mark Porterfield
Portman? [Confused]
Buddy?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
Portman, are you the new CEO of the shareholders committee?

BUMP
AWW- Leave Port alone - he might not want to answer this either way - If it is GREAT - if not ok.....so far so good....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dinner42:
nice 1.

What's with the siggy? Are those your favorite people?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Yep and he was removed prematurely and illegally by a handful of shareholders. By not following rules.

Are you sure?

and do you want him back?

I didn't say that, but I don't think I would have voted him out. Too bad I did not get an opportunity to vote. John had better cancel the shareholders meeting before the 7th or his actions are going to screw us all.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
i cant listen in says its full did rufus say something stupid and damaging?

apparently...

still looking for DD mine own self...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I'm curious to see how the SEC can claim fraud on a bond when it's proven. I don't have a choice it looks like.
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
looks like the shareholder chairman might be another secret, HA!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
His name is given in the PR. I don't know his message board handle.
Rufus could be wrong about how this is being handled, he might not be the lawyer that he thinks he is.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Hey Portman congrats!!!! You have my support!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Hey Portman ~ before this goes too far let me tell you that I like you, I am not mad and yes I know you were privy to the comittee meeting.

I am just saying that from what I just heard on Sub penny, and my own understanding of "Hostile" takeovers. This was NOT done by the book. Maybe the book of Delaware, but I thought they were one of the toughest states in the country to effect a takeover. One of the main reasons major corporations incorporate there.

I would think a Proxy vote would be required.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I do not want Rufus to think we threw him under the bus, I wish I could call in and tell him alot of Allstocks members are still here because of him and also "happy birthday" , even if he does go on hsm and not here haha go ahead and yell at me .
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by dinner42:
nice 1.

What's with the siggy? Are those your favorite people?
just gotta kick out of it.. R U PIKing on mee?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
you get a lawyer!!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I'm curious to see how the SEC can claim fraud on a bond when it's proven. I don't have a choice it looks like.

what *are* you saying?

lol, what do you think is "proven" ?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I'm curious to see how the SEC can claim fraud on a bond when it's proven. I don't have a choice it looks like.

what *are* you saying?

lol, what do you think is "proven" ?

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

He is talking about this.

Rufus stated this proves it
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
rph asked why he should have spent millions on getting an attorney to fight the SEC......WHY? HELLO?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I'm curious to see how the SEC can claim fraud on a bond when it's proven. I don't have a choice it looks like.

what *are* you saying?

lol, what do you think is "proven" ?

I'm not sure but, when he pulls down a bond is'nt that as close as you can get to having cash in hand. If the SEC is to blind to see that then just maybe they are looking for something more. Like 50k in each of their personal accounts or something to that effect. Ya Foller?
[Cool]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dinner42:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by dinner42:
nice 1.

What's with the siggy? Are those your favorite people?
just gotta kick out of it.. R U PIKing on mee?
No not picking at all- I like most of those people - I don't know who the Neil is....
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
Damn all of these crazy late night PR's and Rufus doing SPR at the same time. I need to go to sleep and get more than 5 hours in a night.


Stupid people who have no consideration for other people's need to sleep.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
The answer to this question, "WHY?" will lead you to many more answers.


quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
rph asked why he should have spent millions on getting an attorney to fight the SEC......WHY? HELLO?


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex?
Rufus pulled down on one of the bonds...from Panama...
The SEc "told Rufus" that even if he pulled down on the bonds..that they would charge him with fraud...
He felt stuck in a box...and no matter what he did...he was going to get charged...Why pay a lawyer? he's loosing either way...


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I'm curious to see how the SEC can claim fraud on a bond when it's proven. I don't have a choice it looks like.

what *are* you saying?

lol, what do you think is "proven" ?


 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
prozac
wine
sleep
prozac
coffee
repeat
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Does Simon and Rufus know about the pr. yet?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Yes...Simon does!
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Does Simon and Rufus know about the pr. yet?


 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
prozac
wine
sleep
prozac
coffee
repeat

Thanks! I just now need a reputable dealer for the sleep and the coffee.
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
I have to go to bed I will listen to this tomorrow when I have a clear head. For tonight...night all
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
sleep well!
I'm sure this will all be here when you get up!

quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
I have to go to bed I will listen to this tomorrow when I have a clear head. For tonight...night all


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by unclerudy:
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
prozac
wine
sleep
prozac
coffee
repeat

Thanks! I just now need a reputable dealer for the sleep and the coffee.
LOL
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This caller is telling Rufus that he put his lifesavings into this and now he's in his 50's & had to get another job - "Rufus I believed in you.."


I think Rufus just slipped he said "You will be part of the change."

I thought he was out?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
prozac
wine
sleep
prozac
coffee
repeat

HEY BB, I just put some coffee on , now if I could just find them nerve pills I stashed away.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Why hasn't anyone on Subpenny simply asked Rufus what the plan was/is to get the SEC situation resolved.

Stop all this bantering and ask that simple question. It sure would be simpler than this...

Can someone just PM him that? Don't add anything else, just simply ask...what would it take for us to make the SEC happy? What does the SEC consider "proof"?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
prozac
wine
sleep
prozac
coffee
repeat

Wow wild party!
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
lol we are gonna have fun with these prs 3 our 4 days had prs weeeeeeeeee

a pr a day would be healthy
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I don't like when Rufus laughs - he's laughing at this guy who says he's lost most of his money....

Why Rufie?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
600 million shares traded...
HOLY ****...I think that Rufus is trying to say that he is planning on "taking" out whoever it was that traded those shares...as if he is planning on suing or something...and "we" the shareholders will get the bennies...
(i am grasping at stuff here)
edit...as if this is being done for "us"
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
Why hasn't anyone on Subpenny simply asked Rufus what the plan was/is to get the SEC situation resolved.

Stop all this bantering and ask that simple question. It sure would be simpler than this...

Can someone just PM him that? Don't add anything else, just simply ask...what would it take for us to make the SEC happy? What does the SEC consider "proof"?

he's not answering, at this point, for whatever reason
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
600 million shares traded...
HOLY ****...I think that Rufus is trying to sy that he is planning on "taking" out whoever it was that traded those shares...as if he is planning on suing or something...and "we" the shareholders will get the bennies...
(i am grasping at stuff here)

what???????
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Crab, I hear you and I never hear Rufus address exactly what he will do. It comes out like he is saying i'll just play too.

To me thats a good reason to have an attorney, they are up on these games and can do something about it if they are worth anything at their profession.IMO.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Oh my goodness- he's yelling at Simon now "Who are you? Who are you?"
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
Well... night all. If we can get some answers from Uncle Rufus, then things might work out. Otherwise the pic below will explain everything...

http://www.mega.bz/rotfl/images/argue091204.jpg

I know. I html-fu skills are weak, and need to be honed. There is much for me to learn.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I wonder if Rufus would be so kind as to step in front of that train! [Eek!]
 
Posted by portman on :
 
I am not ignoring the board...just busy.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Oh no- anyone else hear the train in the background? I hope Rufus ain't goin' anywhere...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Who benefited from all the shares traded? Rufus is saying that is where the shareholders will be compensated...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So, anyway. Some days ago Rufus was crucified by the SHC and later buried in a tomb. Has anyone checked the bolder blocking the tomb recently?

So, whats next people? Will John convince the SHC to take an offense on Rufus, will John try to finish this deal on his own or do you think Rufus will be running the show again soon? (which legally it appears he never actually stopped running)
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
That is the only thing I'm not understanding right now. I mean, I'm the type of person to ask questions and then ask more if I'm not understanding. At this point...the only thing I want to know is what the SEC considers "proof", and how can we get said "proof" to them.

I haven't heard/seen/read one person actually even attempt to answer this...I mean when you break all this down is this not the ONLY thing that matters at this point?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
default for 24 hours??
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
must not be any lawyers in this crowd. It's why no one can answer you. lol
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
default for 24 hours??

Huh??? Sorry, I am not able to listen. [Smile]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Can someone PM Simon and ask him to tell Rufus to answer the questions instead of asking us questions and riddles? We are not responsible for the answers...he is.

Can someone ask Simon to tell Rufus that he is sinking his own ship and he is taking us down with him...those who have stood behind him through thick and thin up to now.

Gotta tell you...I don't like him anymore...I was wrong about him. His only excuse here would be that he is drunk on his B-Day and he is a mean drunk. Either way, that is not CEO material.

Let's move on...legal or not...leave John Arlitt in place or we are possibly done!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Oh my goodness- he's yelling at Simon now "Who are you? Who are you?"

Perhaps that's why Simon is not answering...

lol, usually I get through--but perhaps this is "intense."
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Who benefited from all the shares traded? Rufus is saying that is where the shareholders will be compensated...

Rufus has a one track mind. get shorty, get shorty
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I think I would be able to following the conversation better if Simon was as “hammered” as Rufus. At least they would be “thinking” and slurring at the same speed. [Eek!]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
That is the only thing I'm not understanding right now. I mean, I'm the type of person to ask questions and then ask more if I'm not understanding. At this point...the only thing I want to know is what the SEC considers "proof", and how can we get said "proof" to them.

I haven't heard/seen/read one person actually even attempt to answer this...I mean when you break all this down is this not the ONLY thing that matters at this point?

E-mail her a copy of the euroclear search

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

blacka*sec.gov
hicks*SEC.gov

This alone rufus keeps claiming tells the whole story.

I will e-mail it too.

lets do it now!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Who benefited from all the shares traded? Rufus is saying that is where the shareholders will be compensated...

I'm lost on what this is.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Can someone PM Simon and ask him to tell Rufus to answer the questions instead of asking us questions and riddles? We are not responsible for the answers...he is.

Can someone ask Simon to tell Rufus that he is sinking his own ship and he is taking us down with him...we who have stood behind him through thick and thin up to now.

Gotta tell you...I don't like him anymore...I was wrong about him. His only excuse here would be that he is drunk on his B-Day and he is a mean drunk. Either way, that is not CEO material.

Let's move on...legal or not...leave John Arlitt in place or we are possibly done!

[Eek!]

too funny...

"I don't like him anymore."

"I was wrong about him."

Jello shot?
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I think when Rufus says “hold on a second”; he’s refilling his bag of ****.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Oh my - Rufus has asked Simon about the PR & Simon Is trying to pronounce the new Chairmans name...
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Believe it or not...that was intentional... [Wink]

Jello shot?


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Can someone PM Simon and ask him to tell Rufus to answer the questions instead of asking us questions and riddles? We are not responsible for the answers...he is.

Can someone ask Simon to tell Rufus that he is sinking his own ship and he is taking us down with him...we who have stood behind him through thick and thin up to now.

Gotta tell you...I don't like him anymore...I was wrong about him. His only excuse here would be that he is drunk on his B-Day and he is a mean drunk. Either way, that is not CEO material.

Let's move on...legal or not...leave John Arlitt in place or we are possibly done!

[Eek!]

too funny...

"I don't like him anymore."

"I was wrong about him."

Jello shot?


 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Oh my - Rufus has asked Simon about the PR & Simon Is trying to pronounce the new Chairmans name...

nice.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Oh Simon- Stop- I think he's hinting that he wants John to call in....

Never gonna happen....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
St Matt posts:

"Believe it or not...that was intentional... "

meaning??? what???? exactly....????????
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
That is the only thing I'm not understanding right now. I mean, I'm the type of person to ask questions and then ask more if I'm not understanding. At this point...the only thing I want to know is what the SEC considers "proof", and how can we get said "proof" to them.

I haven't heard/seen/read one person actually even attempt to answer this...I mean when you break all this down is this not the ONLY thing that matters at this point?

E-mail her a copy of the euroclear search

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

blacka*sec.gov
hicks*SEC.gov

This alone rufus keeps claiming tells the whole story.

I will e-mail it too.

lets do it now!

Surf i'll email it when I get back from the gym. I'm getting up the steam to go out to it. The temp is 18 degrees outside.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Tex,

Rufus is acting like a child, so I responded like one...Not important...drop it dude!

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
St Matt posts:

"Believe it or not...that was intentional... "

meaning??? what???? exactly....????????


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Was Rufus just saying that the company can't afford a lawyer?... so John must be paying for it himself?... or was he hinting that John doesn't have the access to the company's money?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Rufas just admitted on the air that he could not hire a lawyer... No company funds to do it, and lawfirms did not want to work with him.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
IMO...both

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Was Rufus just saying that the company can't afford a lawyer?... so John must be paying for it himself?... or was he hinting that John doesn't have the access to it?


 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Thank you to all who are updating us that can't listen! Much appreciated! [Smile]

Oh, and please keep updating. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Just curious...
BUT?
if Rufus were to draw down on these bonds? and the SEC was able to "win"..then the SEC would "get the $ correct?

Well..if he doesn't draw down on the bond...and the SEC were to "win"...the SEC wouldn't get the $ right?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

Here is a link to the euroclear platform. Click the search button.


Now how in the hell can you say that CSHD does not have these bonds????


Alana we need answers.

You are screwing hard working Americans!!!!!


While I am E-mailing you how about the short position in silver???

There are four major players that have cornered the market worse than the Hunt brothers in 1980

http://www.investmentrarities.com/09-18-06.html

Where would the price of silver be if 4 traders were not net short 86% of the total commercial net short position, or 175 million ounces of a total 203.5 million ounces?

http://www.investmentrarities.com/07-25-06.html


Please Alana we need help.


Thank you, Mike
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
that was a letter I just mailed to alana.

Boy I am getting worked up here.

The f*cking SEC is not doing what they are supposed to be doing. PERIOD!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Tex,

Rufus is acting like a child, so I responded like one...Not important...drop it dude!

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
St Matt posts:

"Believe it or not...that was intentional... "

meaning??? what???? exactly....????????


lol, try again?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Don't need to...sorry if it's over your head.

Good night all...I've had enough.

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Tex,

Rufus is acting like a child, so I responded like one...Not important...drop it dude!

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
St Matt posts:

"Believe it or not...that was intentional... "

meaning??? what???? exactly....????????


lol, try again?

 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
who cares what rufus says, we have a law firm with us!! go johnny go...!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
This is crazy... John took over the company because he did not want to wait anymore. But by not waiting he did not do it legally. Rufas was actually trying to help him take over the company legally by calling a shareholders meeting and paying for the proxy mailings. Now John has hired an attourney and Rufas says he will support him since he got an 8K out by some miracle. But hand holding support will cost him 500K in compensation for him and another 500K for Ben. (Appearantly it will take both to run the original business model) Rufas could not hire an attourney because the company was cash poor as suspected. Did not hire an attourney because he was under the impression that nothing was happening till January and it was not his highest priority.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Somebody who has access to John... get him a message to publically cancel the Shareholder Meeting please... Otherwise they are going to get us forced into recievership due to the lack of Proxy notification 10 days prior to the meeting.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Somebody who has access to John... get him a message to publically cancel the Shareholder Meeting please... Otherwise they are going to get us forced into recievership due to the lack of Proxy notification 10 days prior to the meeting.

sound the alarms wooooooooooooooooooooOOoooWWWWWWWOOOOOOoooooooWWWoooooo
 
Posted by jm430 on :
 
I'm convinced Rufus still is the key to the success of this company. How will Arlitt have the same connections to hypothecate the bonds? Sure, it's great to have a law firm, but what's the use if we can't do anything with the bonds?

None of us real shareholders (or only a select few) really know exactly what's going on. After this latest SPR talk, some see Rufus as an angry drunk...I see it as somebody who's been slapped in the face and is trying to protect his creation. Remember, he's a large shareholder and has worked on this a long time. Does he want this to fail? No. Does he have the connections to hypothecate the bonds and also to fund the JV's? Yes. Does Arlitt? Maybe.

I'm hoping all will work it's way out, but the Euroclear account will go a long way to validating everything. I think the 'shareholder's committee' jumped the gun by throwing out Rufus. Maybe not. One thing's for sure, this has totally split the investor base. We'll see what happens. My guess is that Rufus will return in some form as part of the company, when it's more apparent that he's needed.

Bottom line: Who got the bonds for the company? Who's responsible for this company? Why would he want to destroy the company? He doesn't. Why distrust him after all he's done? Please check Euroclear again. Finally, Rufus is a shareholder, just like us. He wants this to succeed. He created it.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
RUFUs is a drunk......zero credibility...hes been given everything and done nothing...a joke....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Was Rufus just saying that the company can't afford a lawyer?... so John must be paying for it himself?... or was he hinting that John doesn't have the access to the company's money?

could be either...

1) company may not have much cash--from what I've seen posted? this could easily be true

2) the "new CEO" may not know which drawers hide the forks--which is common enough in corporate dealings. Given the in's n' outs of late, we may have true bickering, here.

3) *Could be* all smokescreen: ie, the FHAL debt is gone, principals walked with some good dough, so they throw smoke-grenades their wake...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
"Don't need to...sorry if it's over your head.

Good night all...I've had enough."

ya, prolly a good idea... [Wink]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
this sEcrecy is killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
RUFUs is a drunk......zero credibility...hes been given everything and done nothing...a joke....

Now Trade - I thought you toked up sometimes....

He's just drinkin' on his B-day- what's your special occasion? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Tex ~ don't forget the fact that if they are cash poor, most companys like to trade shares for services... and I doubt the lawfirms were very receptive to this deal when they are this close to recievership.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Then his Bday must be everynight hes on SPR.. cause I cant recall a sober night with rufus.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
RUFUs is a drunk......zero credibility...hes been given everything and done nothing...a joke....

Now Trade - I thought you toked up sometimes....

He's just drinkin' on his B-day- what's your special occasion? [Big Grin]

cshd induced anxiety!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Ain't that the truth Trade!!!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Tex ~ don't forget the fact that if they are cash poor, most companys like to trade shares for services... and I doubt the lawfirms were very receptive to this deal when they are this close to recievership.

What happened to all the dough?

Wasn't there supposed to be like 9 kagillion in interest payments?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OK...this is A THEORY;
The big picture that everyone was talking about?
Rufus says that over 600Million shares have traded NS shares since the company took over...and Rufus says that the responsible party is going to be the compensation to the shareholders...
I think that Rufus was going after some big companies...and the SEC went after CSHD to stop all of this...Rufus knows that he is in the right...

John and this SHC? may have just screwed things up...they may have just put CSHD into recievership...
Rufus made mention about John in Canada...being short...or hedge...something...John may have just saved his own financial butt...and sank everyone else...Why does his name NOT show on the NOBO list? John may be out to "help the little guy"...BUT...did he or will he "end up" hurting everyone more...in the long run...
John may be doing the right thing now...but in the long run...what Rufus was appearing to "set up"...did it just get smashed?

why has the SEC not followed through? They can't...but they are waiting to...witing for someon to screw up...Did John?

Don't know...
just another theory for all of you to play with...to ignore...
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Did they? Maybe, maybe not...how much credibility do you give to a man who could not get lawyers in months....or one who gets them in days?

I will tell all of you what was done was done to protect each and every shareholder...

..and I think you were personally told that 10.

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex?
Rufus pulled down on one of the bonds...from Panama...
The SEc "told Rufus" that even if he pulled down on the bonds..that they would charge him with fraud...
He felt stuck in a box...and no matter what he did...he was going to get charged...Why pay a lawyer? he's loosing either way...


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I'm curious to see how the SEC can claim fraud on a bond when it's proven. I don't have a choice it looks like.

what *are* you saying?

lol, what do you think is "proven" ?



 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
10 AND I THINK THAT IS WHY RUFAS SAID TO TAKE the 6 for 1 at 1.80 ????????
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
I think john is in on this how could he get past the sec?? is he reallyfor us?
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Receivership??? What do you think happens once the Judge signs that default judgement?

THINK!

It's a default win for the SEC on all counts of the complaint...because the company did not respond to the accusations they are therefore assumed true.


quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
OK...this is A THEORY;
The big picture that everyone was talking about?
Rufus says that over 600Million shares have traded NS shares since the company took over...and Rufus says that the responsible party is going to be the compensation to the shareholders...
I think that Rufus was going after some big companies...and the SEC went after CSHD to stop all of this...Rufus knows that he is in the right...

John and this SHC? may have just screwed things up...they may have just put CSHD into recievership...
Rufus made mention about John in Canada...being short...or hedge...something...John may have just saved his own financial butt...and sank everyone else...Why does his name NOT show on the NOBO list? John may be out to "help the little guy"...BUT...did he or will he "end up" hurting everyone more...in the long run...
John may be doing the right thing now...but in the long run...what Rufus was appearing to "set up"...did it just get smashed?

why has the SEC not followed through? They can't...but they are waiting to...witing for someon to screw up...Did John?

Don't know...
just another theory for all of you to play with...to ignore...


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Now. maybe I hear things different than most but I didn't hear Rufus say they couldn't afford a lawyer just that Tut did not have access to company funds. Which makes sense. I doubt that Tut could have access to any corporation money by putting out a PR. I have dealt with Probate situations from my family and know that banks want legal documentation to release funds.

Okay, I will state that I, as a share holder was never contacted to vote my shares. I am and alwasy have been on the NOBO list. How was Anthony able to vote his shares yet I wasn't?

Houston, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

IMO, if TUT's take over was illegal and he posted an 8K then he has given the SEC a reason to put CSHD in receivership, because CSHD.(the company) has violated the TRO and injunction.

Chart posted earlier about people who were not TUT fans. I never was and posted that. I don't care how this turns out but never thought highly of his posts. Now, his premature move to take control could be the nail in the coffin.

I could be totally wrong but sometimes a mummy needs to know it's dead.

I hope I'm wrong but I think that Tut, John Arlitt, has unwittingly played into the hands of the SEC and others that want this whole issue to sleep with the fishes.

THe preceeding message is my opinion only and NO ONE SHOULD BUY, SELL or do anything else based on my opinion.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
10 of Confusion posts:

"why has the SEC not followed through?"


alas, they have and are...

to be honest? The SEC rarely follows up to fulfill my sense of justice, but they do shut down lottsa plays...
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Yes, a default judgement will be much much better...yep...the stock will hit new highs when that happens.

quote:
Originally posted by jm430:
I'm convinced Rufus still is the key to the success of this company. How will Arlitt have the same connections to hypothecate the bonds? Sure, it's great to have a law firm, but what's the use if we can't do anything with the bonds?

None of us real shareholders (or only a select few) really know exactly what's going on. After this latest SPR talk, some see Rufus as an angry drunk...I see it as somebody who's been slapped in the face and is trying to protect his creation. Remember, he's a large shareholder and has worked on this a long time. Does he want this to fail? No. Does he have the connections to hypothecate the bonds and also to fund the JV's? Yes. Does Arlitt? Maybe.

I'm hoping all will work it's way out, but the Euroclear account will go a long way to validating everything. I think the 'shareholder's committee' jumped the gun by throwing out Rufus. Maybe not. One thing's for sure, this has totally split the investor base. We'll see what happens. My guess is that Rufus will return in some form as part of the company, when it's more apparent that he's needed.

Bottom line: Who got the bonds for the company? Who's responsible for this company? Why would he want to destroy the company? He doesn't. Why distrust him after all he's done? Please check Euroclear again. Finally, Rufus is a shareholder, just like us. He wants this to succeed. He created it.


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Portman I saw a post on here this morning from Pacer, and I heard it from Rufas tonight that the Default was "terminated" 24 hours after it was filed. I wish my access to Pacer was still available. Did I read it right? filed on the 28th Terminated on the 29th.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Funny thing is...RPH says the SEC is unreachable during the holidays...but everyone seems to get through to them...even some on this board.

Who is telling the truth?


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
10 of Confusion posts:

"why has the SEC not followed through?"


alas, they have and are...

to be honest? The SEC rarely follows up to fulfill my sense of justice, but they do shut down lottsa plays...


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Rufus said that he pulled $ down...So maybe he did..maybe he didn't...I really don't know...

And I believe you 100% that the SHC thought they were doing the best thing!
let's hope it all works out...
Goin' to bed now...
sleep well all!

quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Did they? Maybe, maybe not...how much credibility do you give to a man who could not get lawyers in months....or one who gets them in days?

I will tell all of you what was done was done to protect each and every shareholder...

..and I think you were personally told that 10.

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex?
Rufus pulled down on one of the bonds...from Panama...
The SEc "told Rufus" that even if he pulled down on the bonds..that they would charge him with fraud...
He felt stuck in a box...and no matter what he did...he was going to get charged...Why pay a lawyer? he's loosing either way...


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I'm curious to see how the SEC can claim fraud on a bond when it's proven. I don't have a choice it looks like.

what *are* you saying?

lol, what do you think is "proven" ?




 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
12 Filed & Entered: 11/28/2006
Terminated: 11/29/2006
Motion for Clerk's Entry of Default
-- Filed & Entered: 11/29/2006
Clerk's Entry of Default

Bump!
 
Posted by jm430 on :
 
No offense Portman, but just because something is perceived to help, it doesn't mean that it is help.

What I mean by this is that the 'shareholder's committee' and Mr. Arlitt may have the best intentions for the shareholders, but if it was done illegally, then 10 is right...this is NOT good for us. I, unfortunately, don't know enough about this to know if it was illegal or not. It doesn't sound like the SEC even knows...

Most of us don't know what happened to really cause Rufus to be 'voted' out, but I think it was impatience. I think Rufus knew what he was doing, but that's my opinion on this. We'll all see what happens. Let's hope all turns out well. I think the Euroclear site helps us shareholders out a LOT. In fact, I'll be that's why our price has been going up lately... Well, good luck all. I'm going to hang in there and just see where this goes.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
I would get legal opinions on this...I think there were several on HSM this morning.

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Portman I saw a post on here this morning from Pacer, and I heard it from Rufas tonight that the Default was "terminated" 24 hours after it was filed. I wish my access to Pacer was still available. Did I read it right? filed on the 28th Terminated on the 29th.


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Portman- What? I don't understand what your post says....Are you saying that you got legal opinions from HSM?

Was it terminated- what does that mean....."legally blonde" here...
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Tax –
You glossed over a very important point in your statement – “Rufus could not hire an attorney because the company was cash poor as suspected.”
Think about that. How does a publicly traded company that raises $150,000,000 – $200,000,000 in the market not afford an attorney?

[*]Spent too much on operations? No. [*]Spent too much hiring employees or executives? No.
[*]Spent too much acquiring companies? No.
[*]Spent too much developing joint ventures? No.
[*]Spent too much retaining legal counsel? No.
[*]Spent too much retaining PR firm? No.
[*]Conducting business in KENNESAW, GA. too expensive? No.

As you stated, if they couldn’t afford an attorney, then WHERE did that money go ?


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
This is crazy... John took over the company because he did not want to wait anymore. But by not waiting he did not do it legally. Rufas was actually trying to help him take over the company legally by calling a shareholders meeting and paying for the proxy mailings. Now John has hired an attourney and Rufas says he will support him since he got an 8K out by some miracle. But hand holding support will cost him 500K in compensation for him and another 500K for Ben. (Appearantly it will take both to run the original business model) Rufas could not hire an attourney because the company was cash poor as suspected. Did not hire an attourney because he was under the impression that nothing was happening till January and it was not his highest priority.


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Are people suggesting that John took it over to crash & burn it???? C'mon.....

Where were we headed with no attorney? If Rufus didn't want one fine but doesn't the company deserve one?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
TM ~ I didn't mention it but it was not overlooked. I began questioning this when the 10KSB came out with $1500 in a checking account.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
I just realized my typo....lots of PM's, phone etc. going on tonight.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Portman- What? I don't understand what your post says....Are you saying that you got legal opinions from HSM?

Was it terminated- what does that mean....."legally blonde" here...


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Funny thing is...RPH says the SEC is unreachable during the holidays...but everyone seems to get through to them...even some on this board.

Who is telling the truth?


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
10 of Confusion posts:

"why has the SEC not followed through?"


alas, they have and are...

to be honest? The SEC rarely follows up to fulfill my sense of justice, but they do shut down lottsa plays...


lol.. I have *no* idea about the holiday schedule.

I've never called or e-mailed the SEC during holidays & vice versa.

During regular trading days, both channels seem to work fine--except some days they're slower to return calls than my impatient self would like...wah! pooor me, eh?

NASD/NASDAQ is far worse, imo...their attrition rate must be horrendous.
 
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
I'm sure you all have seen this... not sure... first time I saw it
Looks cool to me

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_E0/.cmd/ad/.ar/4088351/.p s/X/.c/6_0_77/.ce/7_0_E3/.p/5_0_7K/.d/0?PC_7_0_E3_AdvancedSearchEB=No&PC_7_0_E3_ jspPageAction=SearchEB&PC_7_0_E3_forceAdvancedSearch=false&PC_7_0_E3_search_radi o=all&PC_7_0_E3_search_select=contains&PC_7_0_E3_search_text=conversion&PC_7_0_E 3_results_select1=name&PC_7_0_E3_results_select2=asc

btw congrats Port
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Not only did the company deserve one, but RPH was required by law to retain one. It doesn't matter that Rufus "may" have thought it was a waste of money. The Federal Judge admonished him for not having one and demanded that he retain Legal Counsel for the company. Hence the "Breach of fiduciary responsibility"

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Are people suggesting that John took it over to crash & burn it???? C'mon.....

Where were we headed with no attorney? If Rufus didn't want one fine but doesn't the company deserve one?


 
Posted by portman on :
 
The market perception was positive or did you miss that?

You are free to do you own research and let us know why Mr. Harris would endorse a default judgement...ask a lawyer or two what your PPS valuation would be then?

quote:
Originally posted by jm430:
No offense Portman, but just because something is perceived to help, it doesn't mean that it is help.

What I mean by this is that the 'shareholder's committee' and Mr. Arlitt may have the best intentions for the shareholders, but if it was done illegally, then 10 is right...this is NOT good for us. I, unfortunately, don't know enough about this to know if it was illegal or not. It doesn't sound like the SEC even knows...

Most of us don't know what happened to really cause Rufus to be 'voted' out, but I think it was impatience. I think Rufus knew what he was doing, but that's my opinion on this. We'll all see what happens. Let's hope all turns out well. I think the Euroclear site helps us shareholders out a LOT. In fact, I'll be that's why our price has been going up lately... Well, good luck all. I'm going to hang in there and just see where this goes.


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Are people suggesting that John took it over to crash & burn it???? C'mon.....

Where were we headed with no attorney? If Rufus didn't want one fine but doesn't the company deserve one?

I am not suggesting this Jenna, I am wondering if this was a powerplay for some external entity. It is almost like you can see two invisible giants fighting it out and here comes here comes this little guy who jumps in and you are wondering what giant he is working for, or is he just working for himself. [Confused]
 
Posted by jm430 on :
 
Portman, I don't have a legal background but what would the default judgement do to the company? Would this delist the company totally?

I thought somebody here on allstocks talked to Alana Black, and it seemed like the company wouldn't be doomed. Anybody have a link? If that bought us time to prove that the SEC's claims were unjustified, then Rufus was in fact correct with his plan.

I'm not saying what the committee did was absolutely wrong. They may have been correct in what they did (my opinion is they jumped the gun). All I'm saying is that people shouldn't trash Rufus just yet. He might know what he's talking about afterall. So far, he seems to know his stuff.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I didn't mean you Tax.....I just fell like it may be a feeling out there....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Rufus said that he pulled $ down...So maybe he did..maybe he didn't...I really don't know...

And I believe you 100% that the SHC thought they were doing the best thing!
let's hope it all works out...
Goin' to bed now...
sleep well all!

quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Did they? Maybe, maybe not...how much credibility do you give to a man who could not get lawyers in months....or one who gets them in days?

I will tell all of you what was done was done to protect each and every shareholder...

..and I think you were personally told that 10.

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex?
Rufus pulled down on one of the bonds...from Panama...
The SEc "told Rufus" that even if he pulled down on the bonds..that they would charge him with fraud...
He felt stuck in a box...and no matter what he did...he was going to get charged...Why pay a lawyer? he's loosing either way...


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I'm curious to see how the SEC can claim fraud on a bond when it's proven. I don't have a choice it looks like.

what *are* you saying?

lol, what do you think is "proven" ?




10?

not following...

repost tomorrow?

will look for it...

along with new firewood [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I don't get something (I'm sure many are not surprised) Rufus said if he hypothicated the bonds he would be charged with fraud but then he said to look at Euroclear website because he pulled down a bond....which is it? Did I miss something?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I didn't mean you Tax.....I just fell like it may be a feeling out there....

Oh Jenna... I just always pretend you are only talking to me. [Big Grin]

Good night all. Glad to hear we have an attourney, and a PR Firm.

Congrats Portman good luck with that. I may sign up for that comittee now that I agree with who is heading the sucker up.

Let's get that meeting canceled.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Are people suggesting that John took it over to crash & burn it???? C'mon.....

Where were we headed with no attorney? If Rufus didn't want one fine but doesn't the company deserve one?

I haven't gotten that impression. I think like 10 of 13 does. They had good intentions but may have done the wrong thing.

How many people here were given the chance to vote on the removal of Rufus? I know I wasn't and was taken aback by Anthony stating that he voted but was not on the SHC. Something doesn't ring true here.

Many here say that Rufus stated that the company could not afford a lawyer but I still never heard that. What I heard was that John "TUT" Arlitt didn't have access to the funds in order to do that. I will try to get clarification on this point.

I just hope that the actions that have been taken are not unwittingly doing us harm.

I believe I have posted my concerns with the path that Rufus has taken so I am not a proponent of his but a proponent of us the shareholders. I just want to make sure that everything is done above board, legally and has no ill effects towards the final outcome.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wally - he did say there was no funds to get a lawyer....then he asked if John has access to that money....If I have 3 hours of my life to waist tomorrow I may listen again just to be 100% sure but as of right now I'm 95% sure he said it like that....
 
Posted by jm430 on :
 
Thanks wallymac...I agree with you and 10of13.

Portman, no offense to you whatsoever. This was the point I was trying to make. I think I'll leave the eloquence to 10of13 and wallymac.

We all just want the same thing...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't get something (I'm sure many are not surprised) Rufus said if he hypothicated the bonds he would be charged with fraud but then he said to look at Euroclear website because he pulled down a bond....which is it? Did I miss something?

Jenna ~ a lot of people have been saying this. I did not hear this from Rufus. I heard that they said "it did not matter if" he pulled down the bond or not they were continuing with the Frawd complaint.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't get something (I'm sure many are not surprised) Rufus said if he hypothicated the bonds he would be charged with fraud but then he said to look at Euroclear website because he pulled down a bond....which is it? Did I miss something?

Jenna ~ a lot of people have been saying this. I did not hear this from Rufus. I heard that they said "it did not matter if" he pulled down the bond or not they were continuing with the Frawd complaint.
Now, if I heard Rufus properly, he stated that the SEC told him if he pulled down anything from the bonds they would consider it fraud. That's what I heard. My ears may not be working properly.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't get something (I'm sure many are not surprised) Rufus said if he hypothicated the bonds he would be charged with fraud but then he said to look at Euroclear website because he pulled down a bond....which is it? Did I miss something?

possibly...

let's look at it this way:

you've seen/heard *everything" the former CEO has to say about bonds, yes?

If it were *your* company, ie, you were in charge? Wouldn't you make sure that *everybody* understood the bond questions?

make sense?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Are people suggesting that John took it over to crash & burn it???? C'mon.....

Where were we headed with no attorney? If Rufus didn't want one fine but doesn't the company deserve one?

I haven't gotten that impression. I think like 10 of 13 does. They had good intentions but may have done the wrong thing.

How many people here were given the chance to vote on the removal of Rufus? I know I wasn't and was taken aback by Anthony stating that he voted but was not on the SHC. Something doesn't ring true here.

Many here say that Rufus stated that the company could not afford a lawyer but I still never heard that. What I heard was that John "TUT" Arlitt didn't have access to the funds in order to do that. I will try to get clarification on this point.

I just hope that the actions that have been taken are not unwittingly doing us harm.

I believe I have posted my concerns with the path that Rufus has taken so I am not a proponent of his but a proponent of us the shareholders. I just want to make sure that everything is done above board, legally and has no ill effects towards the final outcome.

GLTA
Wally

"What I heard was that John "TUT" Arlitt didn't have access to the funds in order to do that. "

yikes...how is it the CEO has no access to funds ?

to hire a lawyer? right?

for a company that needs to answer, quickly...


Lol, what's the use of being Boss, if you cain't boss?
 
Posted by portman on :
 
The SEC may then request the Revocation Process to begin. Then a hearing, then a ruling from a judge.

Look at the SEC regs...but it would be months in limbo.


quote:
Originally posted by jm430:
Portman, I don't have a legal background but what would the default judgement do to the company? Would this delist the company totally?

I thought somebody here on allstocks talked to Alana Black, and it seemed like the company wouldn't be doomed. Anybody have a link? If that bought us time to prove that the SEC's claims were unjustified, then Rufus was in fact correct with his plan.

I'm not saying what the committee did was absolutely wrong. They may have been correct in what they did (my opinion is they jumped the gun). All I'm saying is that people shouldn't trash Rufus just yet. He might know what he's talking about afterall. So far, he seems to know his stuff.


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't get something (I'm sure many are not surprised) Rufus said if he hypothicated the bonds he would be charged with fraud but then he said to look at Euroclear website because he pulled down a bond....which is it? Did I miss something?

possibly...

let's look at it this way:

you've seen/heard *everything" the former CEO has to say about bonds, yes?

If it were *your* company, ie, you were in charge? Wouldn't you make sure that *everybody* understood the bond questions?

make sense?

Right TEX

The whole idea, IMO, was that Rufus was trying to state was the fact that Conversion Solutions had access to Euroclear and that in order to do this they would need to have a minimum of $200 Million in assests. Those assests are based on the bonds.

Does this put an end to all the questions here? No. But it does lend some credence to his claims.

Much is still to be determined and only time will tell us the full story. I'll sit here with beer at night or a cup of coffee in the morning and see what happens.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Chart is really going to be upset tomorrow that he missed all of this, hope he gets his computor fixed.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
None taken....this is a discussion...read the SEC rules as to what will happen when the default gets signed.

quote:
Originally posted by jm430:
Thanks wallymac...I agree with you and 10of13.

Portman, no offense to you whatsoever. This was the point I was trying to make. I think I'll leave the eloquence to 10of13 and wallymac.

We all just want the same thing...


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Are people suggesting that John took it over to crash & burn it???? C'mon.....

Where were we headed with no attorney? If Rufus didn't want one fine but doesn't the company deserve one?

I haven't gotten that impression. I think like 10 of 13 does. They had good intentions but may have done the wrong thing.

How many people here were given the chance to vote on the removal of Rufus? I know I wasn't and was taken aback by Anthony stating that he voted but was not on the SHC. Something doesn't ring true here.

Many here say that Rufus stated that the company could not afford a lawyer but I still never heard that. What I heard was that John "TUT" Arlitt didn't have access to the funds in order to do that. I will try to get clarification on this point.

I just hope that the actions that have been taken are not unwittingly doing us harm.

I believe I have posted my concerns with the path that Rufus has taken so I am not a proponent of his but a proponent of us the shareholders. I just want to make sure that everything is done above board, legally and has no ill effects towards the final outcome.

GLTA
Wally

"What I heard was that John "TUT" Arlitt didn't have access to the funds in order to do that. "

yikes...how is it the CEO has no access to funds ?

to hire a lawyer? right?

for a company that needs to answer, quickly...


Lol, what's the use of being Boss, if you cain't boss?

The real question is? Who is the boss? How can someone come in state they are taking over and automatically have access to funds?

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
None taken....this is a discussion...read the SEC rules as to what will happen when the default gets signed.

quote:
Originally posted by jm430:
Thanks wallymac...I agree with you and 10of13.

Portman, no offense to you whatsoever. This was the point I was trying to make. I think I'll leave the eloquence to 10of13 and wallymac.

We all just want the same thing...


Just to let you know. I do respect you and your opinion Portman. You have done a lot of great DD on this play. I have always found you to be balanced in your views and appreciated it.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Are people suggesting that John took it over to crash & burn it???? C'mon.....

Where were we headed with no attorney? If Rufus didn't want one fine but doesn't the company deserve one?

I haven't gotten that impression. I think like 10 of 13 does. They had good intentions but may have done the wrong thing.

How many people here were given the chance to vote on the removal of Rufus? I know I wasn't and was taken aback by Anthony stating that he voted but was not on the SHC. Something doesn't ring true here.

Many here say that Rufus stated that the company could not afford a lawyer but I still never heard that. What I heard was that John "TUT" Arlitt didn't have access to the funds in order to do that. I will try to get clarification on this point.

I just hope that the actions that have been taken are not unwittingly doing us harm.

I believe I have posted my concerns with the path that Rufus has taken so I am not a proponent of his but a proponent of us the shareholders. I just want to make sure that everything is done above board, legally and has no ill effects towards the final outcome.

GLTA
Wally

"What I heard was that John "TUT" Arlitt didn't have access to the funds in order to do that. "

yikes...how is it the CEO has no access to funds ?

to hire a lawyer? right?

for a company that needs to answer, quickly...


Lol, what's the use of being Boss, if you cain't boss?

The real question is? Who is the boss? How can someone come in state they are taking over and automatically have access to funds?

GLTA
Wally

so, you're positing an illegitamate take-over?

wow!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Are people suggesting that John took it over to crash & burn it???? C'mon.....

Where were we headed with no attorney? If Rufus didn't want one fine but doesn't the company deserve one?

I haven't gotten that impression. I think like 10 of 13 does. They had good intentions but may have done the wrong thing.

How many people here were given the chance to vote on the removal of Rufus? I know I wasn't and was taken aback by Anthony stating that he voted but was not on the SHC. Something doesn't ring true here.

Many here say that Rufus stated that the company could not afford a lawyer but I still never heard that. What I heard was that John "TUT" Arlitt didn't have access to the funds in order to do that. I will try to get clarification on this point.

I just hope that the actions that have been taken are not unwittingly doing us harm.

I believe I have posted my concerns with the path that Rufus has taken so I am not a proponent of his but a proponent of us the shareholders. I just want to make sure that everything is done above board, legally and has no ill effects towards the final outcome.

GLTA
Wally

"What I heard was that John "TUT" Arlitt didn't have access to the funds in order to do that. "

yikes...how is it the CEO has no access to funds ?

to hire a lawyer? right?

for a company that needs to answer, quickly...


Lol, what's the use of being Boss, if you cain't boss?

The real question is? Who is the boss? How can someone come in state they are taking over and automatically have access to funds?

GLTA
Wally

so, you're positing an illegitamate take-over?

wow!

It's a possibility. I think we all need to take a step back and really analyze what is going on here. Why did Randy agree to come back as CFO but only with B&O insurance? He has a vested interest so I can see him comming back but requiring that he is insured brings questions to my mind as to his feelings when it comes to the take over. Just some thoughts.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by portman on :
 
That respect would be mutual and you have done some fine work as well..

Remember too if the action was illegal RPH will be in charge if not...you may have been saved from delisting.

quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
None taken....this is a discussion...read the SEC rules as to what will happen when the default gets signed.

quote:
Originally posted by jm430:
Thanks wallymac...I agree with you and 10of13.

Portman, no offense to you whatsoever. This was the point I was trying to make. I think I'll leave the eloquence to 10of13 and wallymac.

We all just want the same thing...


Just to let you know. I do respect you and your opinion Portman. You have done a lot of great DD on this play. I have always found you to be balanced in your views and appreciated it.

GLTA
Wally


 
Posted by portman on :
 
D&O insurance is a basic requirement for people in a public company...The fact that RPH did not have it was considered highly questionable.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
D&O insurance is a basic requirement for people in a public company...The fact that RPH did not have it was considered highly questionable.

not to mention his posting on boards, PRs without disclaimers, etc...


seems like the ol' rock & a hard place, eh?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
We as shareholders really need to stop for a second and not get entrenched in one camp or the other. This isn't about who is right or wrong it's about protecting our investment. As I stated previously, maybe a bit facitiously, I don't care who runs the company(BONZO, for those too young Bonzo was a monkey in a Ronald Reagan movie, I just want to see the right things get done.

I'm on the outside looking in, no inside info, not part of the "Know Boat", but I do have a mind and can look at things logically.

There was a big difference in Mike Alexander taking control and the situation we now find ourselves in. Mike talked to Rufus, explained what he was going to do and went forward with Rufus as his ally. The action taken by the SHC and John "TUT" Arlitt was back door. Rufus was not informed and not brought on board. In fact listening to him tonight, I'd say that much more was going on behind the scenes than anyone knows. The SEC, the T/A who knows.

Please take a step back, look at things logically. Let's work as a group to piece this together. Remember that the easiest way to defeat an opponent is to divide and conquer. Stick together and we might just get a good idea of what is really happening here.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It seems like the SEC is breaking the law or obstructing justice if the bond is visible and they still say it's fraud. That does'nt make sense. A lawyer should know that. which I am not. But I know it too.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Don't get the impression I hate RPH. Personally I think he is brilliant in many respects. I also repsect Mr. Arlitt and find him to be a very good businessman. If I have misjudged either...time will tell.

My intrest is in the shareholders who are long.

quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
We as shareholders really need to stop for a second and not get entrenched in one camp or the other. This isn't about who is right or wrong it's about protecting our investment. As I stated previously, maybe a bit facitiously, I don't care who runs the company(BONZO, for those too young Bonzo was a monkey in a Ronald Reagan movie, I just want to see the right things get done.

I'm on the outside looking in, no inside info, not part of the "Know Boat", but I do have a mind and can look at things logically.

There was a big difference in Mike Alexander taking control and the situation we now find ourselves in. Mike talked to Rufus, explained what he was going to do and went forward with Rufus as his ally. The action taken by the SHC and John "TUT" Arlitt was back door. Rufus was not informed and not brought on board. In fact listening to him tonight, I'd say that much more was going on behind the scenes than anyone knows. The SEC, the T/A who knows.

Please take a step back, look at things logically. Let's work as a group to piece this together. Remember that the easiest way to defeat an opponent is to divide and conquer. Stick together and we might just get a good idea of what is really happening here.

GLTA
Wally


 
Posted by DMOST on :
 
So if he opens the bonds.....Fraud charges next by SEC, uh.

The SEC basically saids, if you do have access to thes bonds, then where are the assets that qualify you to have access to do this....$200,000m.

So if you can open them, you filed fase documents to be able to do so, or lied on stated assets to obtain the right to do so. [Cool]

I hate it but it makes sense.

The company has no real cash.

"You pay your money and you make you choice"

I DID.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Don't get the impression I hate RPH. Personally I think he is brilliant in many respects. I also repsect Mr. Arlitt and find him to be a very good businessman. If I have misjudged either...time will tell.

My intrest is in the shareholders who are long.

quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
We as shareholders really need to stop for a second and not get entrenched in one camp or the other. This isn't about who is right or wrong it's about protecting our investment. As I stated previously, maybe a bit facitiously, I don't care who runs the company(BONZO, for those too young Bonzo was a monkey in a Ronald Reagan movie, I just want to see the right things get done.

I'm on the outside looking in, no inside info, not part of the "Know Boat", but I do have a mind and can look at things logically.

There was a big difference in Mike Alexander taking control and the situation we now find ourselves in. Mike talked to Rufus, explained what he was going to do and went forward with Rufus as his ally. The action taken by the SHC and John "TUT" Arlitt was back door. Rufus was not informed and not brought on board. In fact listening to him tonight, I'd say that much more was going on behind the scenes than anyone knows. The SEC, the T/A who knows.

Please take a step back, look at things logically. Let's work as a group to piece this together. Remember that the easiest way to defeat an opponent is to divide and conquer. Stick together and we might just get a good idea of what is really happening here.

GLTA
Wally


Well, there aren't really any short term shareholders imo. Almost everyones pretty much a long now, unless they want to sell for a loss.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Wow- I go to bed early and miss all this excitment????

So RPH isn't to thrilled with the takeover. He named his price for him and Ben to come back and execute the business plan- 500k each??

I think I need to listen to the SPR interview today or tomorrow- now I am totally cornfused!


 -
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Good morning folks!!!

A lot of talk last night eh? I find it interesting how some peoples opinions still skirt around the issue that there was no proxy to legally do what just happened. Should Arlitt be in charge? Should Rufus be in charge? Rufus himself said weeks ago that the shareholders should ne in charge. Now, if we just go through the PROPER PROCESS to do so maybe that can happen

In the meantime i suggest we all get used to the idea of Rufus fighting Arlitt because Arlitt (who has tons of experience) just possibly led a small group of our shareholers into an illegal hostile takeover. I never voted and im quite sure 99.8% of the other shareholders never voted either so do i have to say it?

"I want a Do-over!"
 
Posted by humble on :
 
Remember three clues from the past (and I do hate that clues are all we have but it is the best we've got right now):

1) Rufus always considered it very important to have your certs in hand.

2) Before most of us even dreamed about pulling logs out of the Amazon, Rufus indicated that a trust bought up some or all of the float.

3) There was a comment made very late one evening while Rufus was on SPR to the effect of, "We already puled all of the slips from the DTC." Forgive the paraphrasing but I could not find the exact quote on a search.

As I watch all of this unfold. Every question about who is in charge, and the SHC, and whether recent actions by some shareholders is legal, each of these questions hinges directly on one really big question:

Who are legal shareholders in CSHD?

So my questions. With the latest clue dropped of 600 million shares traded, would that mean that there is a 'majority' of shares in the naked/counterfeit pool? Does having a majority of shares in online trading accounts give me majority shareholder rights?

If, and I say IF, this is Rufus' truly bullet proof way of knowing he is right he still needs to prove it properly through the system. As the legal axiom goes, "Its not what you know, its what you can prove."

There are so many possibilities here. With so much time to plan this, so much mystery access to money (see Euroclear reqs) and alleged powerful people, my money and faith are still in Rufus' camp. My only concern is that this is yet another delay. I'll wait.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
A do over is coming, as per Arlitt...
...I have a bout 10 pages to read and see what all happen, be back around noon! lol ~
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Wow- I go to bed early and miss all this excitment????

So RPH isn't to thrilled with the takeover. He named his price for him and Ben to come back and execute the business plan- 500k each??

I think I need to listen to the SPR interview today or tomorrow- now I am totally cornfused!


 -

I thought he originally said 250k a piece.

Regardless I believe there is a happy medium.

If the 2 of them could work TOGETHER we might have a winner here.

Rufus is brilliant on some levels. BUT is somewhat thwarted by his ego.

John has the ability to get things done and has a firm grasp on what it takes to do P.R's, filings etc.

In my book the best of both worlds is right in front of us.

If these two are going to get in a p*ssing match we're screwed.

Together we win!

PORTMAN please take note of this.....

IMO this is the simple solution for a not so simple situation.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Good morning folks!!!

A lot of talk last night eh? I find it interesting how some peoples opinions still skirt around the issue that there was no proxy to legally do what just happened. Should Arlitt be in charge? Should Rufus be in charge? Rufus himself said weeks ago that the shareholders should ne in charge. Now, if we just go through the PROPER PROCESS to do so maybe that can happen

In the meantime i suggest we all get used to the idea of Rufus fighting Arlitt because Arlitt (who has tons of experience) just possibly led a small group of our shareholers into an illegal hostile takeover. I never voted and im quite sure 99.8% of the other shareholders never voted either so do i have to say it?

"I want a Do-over!"

Like I said above this can be resolved.

The two need to work TOGETHER. If they don't we should all sell this today and get whats left out of it.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Good morning. A lot has happened over the night and I have taken the time to read the thread. The question I have is why was this particular law firm retained?

Fields, Howell, Athans & McLaughlin, LLP practices in the following areas of law:
Complex Insurance Matters, Commercial Litigation, including Products Liability, Aviation, Professional Liability and Class Actions.

I see the CYA words class action. Am I wrong on this?
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Also, my head hurts. Barnum & Bailey needs to step back because a new five-ring circus has stepped to the forefront. This is like the Hatfields and McCoys. What truly solid companies would want to business with CSHD until all the management in-fighting, perported durnken rantings on public radio, and SEC problems are resolved? Can anyone here believe that those issues can be resolved in a timely fashion?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Also, my head hurts. Barnum & Bailey needs to step back because a new five-ring circus has stepped to the forefront. This is like the Hatfields and McCoys. What truly solid companies would want to business with CSHD until all the management in-fighting, perported durnken rantings on public radio, and SEC problems are resolved? Can anyone here believe that those issues can be resolved in a timely fashion?

Like I stated above wv if these two can work with each other and bring out each others forte we could resolve this.

Timely???? thats anyones guess
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Noted...but I know it would not have made a difference. Assuming it was not offered of course.

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Wow- I go to bed early and miss all this excitment????

So RPH isn't to thrilled with the takeover. He named his price for him and Ben to come back and execute the business plan- 500k each??

I think I need to listen to the SPR interview today or tomorrow- now I am totally cornfused!


 -

I thought he originally said 250k a piece.

Regardless I believe there is a happy medium.

If the 2 of them could work TOGETHER we might have a winner here.

Rufus is brilliant on some levels. BUT is somewhat thwarted by his ego.

John has the ability to get things done and has a firm grasp on what it takes to do P.R's, filings etc.

In my book the best of both worlds is right in front of us.

If these two are going to get in a p*ssing match we're screwed.

Together we win!

PORTMAN please take note of this.....

IMO this is the simple solution for a not so simple situation.


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
portman are you saying that there is no way for these two to work with each other???

This internal struggle will lead us no where.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
so basically rufus is gonna be a little kid and say something like u guys need us to run things because WE set up euroclear, etc...now we want a million dollars....does this guy see why he isnt CEO...what a joke, i have no respect for that guy anymore...
 
Posted by portman on :
 
I am not sure this would work out. I hope I am wrong.

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
portman are you saying that there is no way for these two to work with each other???

This internal struggle will lead us no where.


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
IMO we need the both of them.

It takes a TEAM to run a business such as this.

The players are there.

Now if they could just come up with a plan together we might make some money.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
I am not sure this would work out. I hope I am wrong.

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
portman are you saying that there is no way for these two to work with each other???

This internal struggle will lead us no where.


What would work????
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
rufus the basher....on the outside lookin in now
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I obviously have missed a lot again [Frown]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I obviously have missed a lot again [Frown]

You don't have your two way radio tuned in at all times???

Come on Sherri, get it together.. J/K
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I obviously have missed a lot again [Frown]

You don't have your two way radio tuned in at all times???

Come on Sherri, get it together.. J/K

Man, I wish this stock was all I had to worry about right now....
 
Posted by portman on :
 
I suggest reading the last 10k files and the BYLAWS specifically.

I will be reading them in depth tonight.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Hows your little one doing?? I hope good.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
On Delaware corporate law:

"Shareholders by unanimous consent may conduct business without holding a shareholder meeting. Such actions are more common in closely held corporations, where shareholder actions are typically unanimous. In a larger, publicly held corporation, such actions are much less practical, especially because decisions of the shareholders affect a larger number of people.

The rights of [common class] shareholders depend largely on provisions in a corporation's charter and by-laws. These are the first documents which a shareholder should consult when determining his or her rights in a corporation. Shareholders also generally enjoy the following types of rights:

* Voting rights on issues that affect the corporation as a whole
* Rights related to the assets of the corporation
* Rights related to the transfer of stock
* Rights to receive dividends as declared by the board of directors of the corporation
* Rights to inspect the records and books of the corporation
* Rights to bring suit against the corporation for wrongful acts by the directors and officers of the corporation
* Rights to share in the proceeds recovered when the corporation liquidates its assets

Shareholder Rights, Actions, and Liabilities

As noted above, many of the rights afforded to shareholders are contained in each corporation's articles of incorporation or bylaws. It is also noteworthy that shareholders generally do not have the right to vote on management issues that occur in the ordinary course of the corporation's business. Many decisions of the corporation must be made by the board of directors or officers of the corporation, and in most cases, shareholders may not compel the board or officers to take or refrain from taking any action.

A shareholder may not bring a direct action against a corporation by alleging that an officer has breached a FIDUCIARY duty owed to the corporation. Such a case involves all shareholders and is more appropriate as a derivative action.

if the officers of the corporation have breached a fiduciary duty owed to the corporation, shareholders may bring a derivative action to protect the interests of the corporation on behalf of the corporation. While these actions in many cases protect the rights of the corporation and shareholders of the corporation, these actions are often controversial. Shareholders should study the procedural and substantive provisions of state statutes to determine whether the action is appropriate and determine which formalities should be followed with respect to these actions."

So...

What FORMAL procedure was involved in this decision? Do those acting out against the company constitute a legit majority? Do the common class shareholders even have a right to take out Rufus?

I am seeing some serious holes in what Arlitt and others may have done.

It does, however, appear that the law firm retained would specialize in backing Arlitt in an attempt to get or retain control of CSHD at the expense of the company (to the extent that there are any available funds). I do not like the sound of that at all.

Are we so sure John is a "good" guy just because he writes pretty PRs? And is Rufus a bad guy just because he made some shareholders feel like he was letting them down (even though most people admit that there seems to be more going on behind the scenes than we can know right now)?

I know who has the knowledge and access to drive this company, even if a bit crudely, and I am hoping he learned enough from BBAN to have set himself up to be "golden" against something so predictable as this.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
Look I'm down about 6K on this, but I really feel sorry for you guys who are a whole lot more. This has truly become a 'nightmare' stock.

I really don't know what to think, after reading everything from last night and this morning it seems that things are just a total mess.

I really believe had the business plan been executed properly by Rufus and Ben we would have gotten our $15 pps reset. It was their total incompetence, ego, and plain lack of consideration for the law that landed us on the grey's at .20.

At this point there really is nothing to do but hold and pray ! Man Timothy Miles must be feeling like a King on this one, lol.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Looking back isn't this the same rediculous situation as BBAN? Weren't they removed from office by the shareholders there as well after being mislead? I'm not saying we are being mislead in this case, but this seems a bit to similiar to me...

I've been rather confident things would work out up until this week; now, I'm worried to many people are doing things because they got their feelings hurt when they cried and momma didn't give them what they wanted...

Don't get me wrong...I have no intention of selling...no real point for me...we just need valid information here...

There just isn't enough information being relayed to make informed decisions about the future of this company...as has been the case...I guess we just wait...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
Look I'm down about 6K on this, but I really feel sorry for you guys who are a whole lot more. This has truly become a 'nightmare' stock.

I really don't know what to think, after reading everything from last night and this morning it seems that things are just a total mess.

I really believe had the business plan been executed properly by Rufus and Ben we would have gotten our $15 pps reset. It was their total incompetence, ego, and plain lack of consideration for the law that landed us on the grey's at .20.

At this point there really is nothing to do but hold and pray ! Man Timothy Miles must be feeling like a King on this one, lol.

what u read sir is from an outside source (RPH) only ones i listen to are those connected and working for the company.
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
IMO ... Rufus may not be the most smooth operator (moment for chuckle) but, I will feel best about our future if Rufus and Ben are part of it. Pay them or whatever ... I too think the best of both worlds, Rufus, Ben & John could work nicely for us all. Rufus seems to be the key to work the bonds.

I too 'am most sure it is none of our interests to ragg on Rufus or John, but to best protect our capital by encouraging the SHC to be the factor to make "cents" of it all! IMHO

Still huggin' the bonds!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Repo is loving FRPT about now. 8k out
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
What's happening folks? Anything new?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Good morning board, I just got caught up....WOW
I am more confused now than ever! lol
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Now. maybe I hear things different than most but I didn't hear Rufus say they couldn't afford a lawyer just that Tut did not have access to company funds. Which makes sense. I doubt that Tut could have access to any corporation money by putting out a PR. I have dealt with Probate situations from my family and know that banks want legal documentation to release funds.

Okay, I will state that I, as a share holder was never contacted to vote my shares. I am and alwasy have been on the NOBO list. How was Anthony able to vote his shares yet I wasn't?

Houston, WE HAVE A PROBLEM.

IMO, if TUT's take over was illegal and he posted an 8K then he has given the SEC a reason to put CSHD in receivership, because CSHD.(the company) has violated the TRO and injunction.

Chart posted earlier about people who were not TUT fans. I never was and posted that. I don't care how this turns out but never thought highly of his posts. Now, his premature move to take control could be the nail in the coffin.

I could be totally wrong but sometimes a mummy needs to know it's dead.

I hope I'm wrong but I think that Tut, John Arlitt, has unwittingly played into the hands of the SEC and others that want this whole issue to sleep with the fishes.

THe preceeding message is my opinion only and NO ONE SHOULD BUY, SELL or do anything else based on my opinion.

GLTA
Wally

That is exactly what I heard. There was no mention that the company didn't have funds for a lawyer. He said that John didn't have access to the company money.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Does anyone understand what this is and why they operate like they are broke with it. Its from one of the financial filings.
Total Other Assets $ 310,415,000
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
I'm sticking with Arlitt, sorry but Rufus letting the company slide almost into a "default" victory for the SEC seems down right DUMB. NOT taking a lawyer to FEDERAL court, -dumb, screwing up PR's and Filings, -dumb. -or was it!

If Rufus said he had no money for a lawyer then, what the hell was his plan!??? He may be in "the right" but what was that getting us? -that was getting us a trip to the poor house IMO.

There is a way to do business, Rufus NEVER followed that, from messed up PR's with no forward looking statements and no B&O insurance,
-which we HAVE NOW under John btw, That's THE STANDARD way things are done!

So John in the very short time that he has been there HAS IMO conducted himself FAR better then Rufus has...

Rufus may be good at what he does, maybe he should stick to doing deals, but let someone who knows HOW a company IS RUN run the darn thing...
[CEO posting on message boards?? "he-he" [Frown] ]

I was looking forward to being IN the .30's today...

I hate to say it.... -but I will...

How Rufus was acting and with letting the SEC "WIN" with a DEFAULT judgment of all things(which means Rufus didn't even give a crap to TRY to fight!!) it almost sounds like big money got to Rufus and paid him off to stand down!!!

You explain Rufus' actions if you think differently ~

Cause with a DEFAULT judgment, Sec wins WITHOUT a fight, -we lose!

Bye bye money, -that's the way I understand it ~

Sorry if I'm wrong, but I'm NOT a big Rufus fan right now... I DO NOT think Rufus is CEO material, and YES I think he may have SOLD US OUT.

Facts speak volume's and it's "always about the money!" You tell me why Rufus was willing to lay down and play dead after all the work they did.
Facts speak louder then words...

[ALL IMO]

Originally Posted by TonySoprano
Everyone makes this so complicated it is ridiculous.

The SEC had an issue with the company and the former CEO because of the former CEO's wild claims about the assets and BV (even though some or all of the Assets are real).
The former CEO had enemies from his prior company and the way he conducted business
The enemies pushed the issue with the former CEO and contacted the SEC
The SEC asked the former CEO to come in and have a conversation.
The former CEO refused
The SEC, having been unable to have a conversation, filed a complaint.
The former CEO showed up in court without an attorney

And it only gets worse from there...

All the former CEO had to do was show up in court on October 25th with an attorney, have the attorney enter the $500M Venezuelan bond Certificate of Ownership and Global Funding agreement as evidence, and file a Motion for Summary Judgement because the SEC had not contested that document in the complaint. And guess what? The judge most likely would have thrown out the complaint, or at least one of the major points of contention, and we would not have seen $180,000,000 in shareholder value evaporate in front of our eyes.

Those of you who want to continue to praise the former CEO are welcome to your opinions, but what are you going to say when more information comes out about his antics?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
On Delaware corporate law:

"[b]Shareholders by unanimous consent may conduct business without holding a shareholder meeting.[b] Such actions are more common in closely held corporations, where shareholder actions are typically unanimous. In a larger, publicly held corporation, such actions are much less practical, especially because decisions of the shareholders affect a larger number of people.


... In My humble Opinion

Quote shortened to save space.

According to this the Shareholders Committee was incorrect in it's actions. In order for them to conduct business they need UNANIMOUS consent, not majority. I along with many others were not given the chance to vote.

It's time that CSHD starts getting things right. Arlitt jumped the gun, Rufus may know what he is doing but doesn't communicate it properly or may not know what he is doing.

Did Mike Alexander vote for John Arlitt? This would be interesting since not too long ago Mike and Randy took over and then handed the company back to Rufus because they felt it was best that he be in charge to execute the business plan.

It's time for Mike, John and Rufus to sit down and work this all out as not only adults but businessmen.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
Chart imo rufus just wants to stick around and talk and take credit for anything that happens from now on...JOKE!!
 
Posted by jm430 on :
 
Wallymac, I agree. They need to work together. Whether or not the takeover was legal, we'll have to deal with it now. The best way to do that is for them (MA, JA, and RPH) to work together.

I think the only positive thing I take from all of this is that the bonds (or ownership by Conversion Solutions) are not really questioned at this point due to the Euroclear website. Thanks St. Matthew for noticing, by the way.

Let's keep positive people... Have you noticed the trading activity lately? Yup, I think more and more shorters are realizing they should stop playing around with this one. I think the large decrease in volume is very indicitive of that.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
On Delaware corporate law:

"[b]Shareholders by unanimous consent may conduct business without holding a shareholder meeting.[b] Such actions are more common in closely held corporations, where shareholder actions are typically unanimous. In a larger, publicly held corporation, such actions are much less practical, especially because decisions of the shareholders affect a larger number of people.


... In My humble Opinion

Quote shortened to save space.

According to this the Shareholders Committee was incorrect in it's actions. In order for them to conduct business they need UNANIMOUS consent, not majority. I along with many others were not given the chance to vote.

It's time that CSHD starts getting things right. Arlitt jumped the gun, Rufus may know what he is doing but doesn't communicate it properly or may not know what he is doing.

Did Mike Alexander vote for John Arlitt? This would be interesting since not too long ago Mike and Randy took over and then handed the company back to Rufus because they felt it was best that he be in charge to execute the business plan.

It's time for Mike, John and Rufus to sit down and work this all out as not only adults but businessmen.

GLTA
Wally

Agreed Wally!

Together we have a chance.

Apart we are nothing.

Great companies are destroyed usually internally.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Chart, im sure that Rufus came on last night and blew steam because he was "bought out". Riiiiight. And im sure that because of 1 filing Arlitt is the better choice for CEO. Riiiiight. I MIGHT agree with you if the filing was even legal. Its possible they filed a change in directors that wasnt even done legally. If it turns out they did it legally? Ok, hes got my attention....until then im neutral on Mr Arlitt.

I stuck up for Arlitt recently about his past. I wont stick up for him in present or future if i feel he is up to no good. So far, im not sure what his true agenda is. What was he given for taking over as CEO? Was he given some shares? Was that in the 8k? Is he doing this for free or just protecting his investment like the rest of us?

I have a lot more questions about Arlitt than I do about Rufus.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
We be toast. [Frown]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I really want to believe in Rufus but there are things that don't make sense....

He said he didn't get a lawyer because he didn't feel as though it mattered - he was going to be called a fraud eitherway.....

When he came back as CEO, what did he do to move the company toward a resolution? Besides encourage a shareholders commitee for the shareholders that he "loves"....this is the same shareholders commitee that ousted him.....sounds like Jesus & Judas - my goodness....

I want to know what Rufus' plan was to get the company back on track...I know he stated what they were I can't remember if it was on SPR - but I believe he said that his first priority was to get a lawyer....I thought he had a meeting with some big law firm & loved them - why didn't he hire them....

There are so many questions I have......that don't make sense....

The weird part is TheGreaterGood sort of predicted this.....

I wish Rufus would just answer a few questions from the shareholders- and I wish he could answer them without laughing or asking another question- this is getting down to the wire here - there was a man on the phone with Rufus last night who has put all of his retirement into the stock & told Rufus he did it because he believed in him...he said he's in his 50's but had to take another job because of this.....& Rufus didn't say much.....he just said "Do what you want...you will be fine in the end..."

How? What was the plan Rufus? I wish he would just have answered that & followed through.....

Good Luck Rufus - I wish you could find a way to stick around & do what you do best- getting bonds & let John take care of the business end....he seems to be getting things done....within a few days he's done more than we've seen in months...it's too bad...
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
Well isn't this just another day in the NUTHOUSE!!
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
We be toast. [Frown]

Whats up tax? [Confused]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
OK - I am caught up now [Big Grin] Thanks for asking about my son, surf, he is doing OK now...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So are people just saying that Rufus is nothing but a pumper?! He did nothing and now Arlitt has done it all?!

I bought this stock at .082 and at 1.60 sometime ni July i called Rufus and he took time to explain the merger agreement to me and he also explained how a reverse merger worked and the different scenarios involved. I could have sold at 1.60 but i liked what he said. He then led the company to $4.00 a share (albeit briefly) and yes, i made a few bucks along the way with the ups and downs but i held.

Now, i can agree that the $4 came from thin air because there is still no concrete evidence of what the company was worth but there were filings! Arlitt is getting a ton of credit for a single filing. The SEC claims thar some of Rufus's filings may be fraud, Rufus feels that Arlitts filing could be fraud if the shareholder vote was not done legally.

Arlitt, IMO...has done nothing more than either of our CEOs to this point so far
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Catia..

I like bottom line things, "Black and White"

So what are the facts?
1) Rufus was about to let the SEC win WITH NO FIGHT!

2) Rufus wasn't doing ANYTHING while "OUR" PPS dropped! Wasn't working on ANYTHING!

3) Rufus didn't do what the courts asked for or wanted, -if I'm contesting a traffic ticket I'M going to take a lawyer for God sakes ~

And the big BOTTOM LINE: -what happened to the PPS when Arlitt stepped up to the plate?

We are up 100% from .15!!!

Why was Rufus' wife in a good mood??? You bet that speaks volumes ~

Believe what you want, Rufus comes back I'm dumping ~ Rufus got us here by the way he acted, did he not?...

If your were in on the phone call and heard that Rufus was sitting there with his thumb in his butt wouldn't you have thought enough is enough too?!

"Rufus,... go ride your horse's " IMO
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
We be toast. [Frown]

Whats up tax? [Confused]
Someone go ask John if he read Section 8 of the By-Laws listed in the most recent 10KSBA

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member, the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

John is NOT legal at this point.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I was not invited to a meeting, and I was not given proxy of any vote at a shareholder meeting 10 days in advance.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jenna:
[QB] I really want to believe in Rufus but there are things that don't make sense....

He said he didn't get a lawyer because he didn't feel as though it mattered - he was going to be called a fraud eitherway.....
======================================

That's the reason you GET a lawyer!!
That makes NO sense what he said... think about it.

I tell you that I'm going to take your business away from you no matter what you do, so you say, "Ok, I can't win here."

???
Come on?....
That's bull!

Those who follow Bull, get Bullchit... IMO
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Catia..

I like bottom line things, "Black and White"

So what are the facts?
1) Rufus was about to let the SEC win WITH NO FIGHT!

He said he wasnt intending to fight? He said he didnt plan to get an attorney, im not going to read between the lines there

2) Rufus wasn't doing ANYTHING while "OUR" PPS dropped! Wasn't working on ANYTHING!

You know this for sure? Because who told you?

3) Rufus didn't do what the courts asked for or wanted, -if I'm contesting a traffic ticket I'M going to take a lawyer for God sakes ~

You really get a lawyer for a traffic ticket? [Smile]

And the big BOTTOM LINE: -what happened to the PPS when Arlitt stepped up to the plate?

We are up 100% from .15!!!

When Rufus stepped in i was up 4000%...or something like that

Why was Rufus' wife in a good mood??? You bet that speaks volumes ~

Believe what you want, Rufus comes back I'm dumping ~ Rufus got us here by the way he acted, did he not?...

If your were in on the phone call and heard that Rufus was sitting there with his thumb in his butt wouldn't you have thought enough is enough too?!

"Rufus,... go ride your horse's " IMO

Comments above
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So are people just saying that Rufus is nothing but a pumper?! He did nothing and now Arlitt has done it all?!

I bought this stock at .082 and at 1.60 sometime ni July i called Rufus and he took time to explain the merger agreement to me and he also explained how a reverse merger worked and the different scenarios involved. I could have sold at 1.60 but i liked what he said. He then led the company to $4.00 a share (albeit briefly) and yes, i made a few bucks along the way with the ups and downs but i held.

Now, i can agree that the $4 came from thin air because there is still no concrete evidence of what the company was worth but there were filings! Arlitt is getting a ton of credit for a single filing. The SEC claims thar some of Rufus's filings may be fraud, Rufus feels that Arlitts filing could be fraud if the shareholder vote was not done legally.

Arlitt, IMO...has done nothing more than either of our CEOs to this point so far

Still trying to figure out what Mike A. did during his CEO stint. ???
Rufus was certainly frustrating quite a few of us. For God's sake ..... he still didn't hire a lawyer. It was like slapping the Judge on his face. I think that he lost his ability to manage the company. I'm not saying he wasn't a nice guy .... I'm saying he knows bonds but not much more.
In John's short control .... he has addressed the 6-1 ...... hired a law firm ..... and released an 8K. ...... I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING. Its about time one of the three did anything. To be honest, I think Mike Alexander was the worst of the three. He did nothing.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
olive oil, giving me an excuse to fry foods...=)
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Off of Paltalk:

SHC showed up to take files?

hoosays: he didn't say who
HyperSquared: The SHC sent someone to pickup the files and computers.

HyperSquared: Dogman said that
n00b_101_1: who said ?
n00b_101_1: lol
n00b_101_1: rufus got owned
hoosays: rufus said last night
n00b_101_1: thats awsome
hoosays: he didn't say if they got them though

stock_prophet: wow
stock_prophet: you can't just pick up computers
HyperSquared: Yes, but later Dog posed the question in the room because he did not hear Rufus say that
stock_prophet: unless you are FBI
stock_prophet: and/or have a warrant
aleemm: come on 75
texasspanky: or you own them
HyperSquared: If you have Rufus full cooperation you can SP
aleemm: hmm
sbtrader: aleemm what's your target
hoosays: exactly, rufus didn't say if he gave them what they wanted or not
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
I hope RUFUS goes to JAIL IF he misled share holders, and i wish him a very crapy birthday, hope he gets diarhea for a week from his birthday cake!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Easy baby easy!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So Chart, you think Rufus's wife was in a good mood because they got paid? heh

Do you realize how easy it is for any govt organization to determine how Rufus and family suddenly received a ton of money out of thin air? Come onnnnn, think about that. And, if he was "bought out" legitimately? He would NOT have come on subpenny last night to bring a spotlight back on him.

Rufus's wife was happy last night because it was her husbands birthday and they were celebrating it without and taking their minds off of CSHD for a day. Thats my opinion
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
hope all the members of the share holders committee have good lawyers! they will probably need them!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
hope all the members of the share holders committee have good lawyers! they will probably need them!!

Now thats a statement! SHC, take the advice you tried to give Rufus to heart yourselves.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Maybe it should be called D & O & SHC Insurance?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
How do you take your mind off of CSHD for a day by going on to SPR and talking about it for hours?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Let me ask you this then...if it was your B-Day and you had guests over to celebrate, would your wife let you leave the party for about an hour and a half to go play with Simon on SPR when you were not the CEO anymore?

Don't know about you guys, but my hot blooded Greek wife would not be too happy about that. So...why was she in a good mood?

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So Chart, you think Rufus's wife was in a good mood because they got paid? heh

Do you realize how easy it is for any govt organization to determine how Rufus and family suddenly received a ton of money out of thin air? Come onnnnn, think about that. And, if he was "bought out" legitimately? He would NOT have come on subpenny last night to bring a spotlight back on him.

Rufus's wife was happy last night because it was her husbands birthday and they were celebrating it without and taking their minds off of CSHD for a day. Thats my opinion


 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Maybe she was D R U N K like Rufus

quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Let me ask you this then...if it was your B-Day and you had guests over to celebrate, would your wife let you leave the party for about an hour and a half to go play with Simon on SPR when you were not the CEO anymore?

Don't know about you guys, but my hot blooded Greek wife would not be too happy about that. So...why was she in a good mood?

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So Chart, you think Rufus's wife was in a good mood because they got paid? heh

Do you realize how easy it is for any govt organization to determine how Rufus and family suddenly received a ton of money out of thin air? Come onnnnn, think about that. And, if he was "bought out" legitimately? He would NOT have come on subpenny last night to bring a spotlight back on him.

Rufus's wife was happy last night because it was her husbands birthday and they were celebrating it without and taking their minds off of CSHD for a day. Thats my opinion



 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
bump... (What no comments?)

Someone go ask John if he read Section 8 of the By-Laws listed in the most recent 10KSBA

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member, the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

John is NOT legal at this point.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Taxback...

I think I can agree with you, but I also believe it was done because Rufus was sitting on his azz and we were about to default to the SEC.

The party was ALMOST over!!
Everyone here would have LOST ALL THEIR MONEY.

And for what?!!
--we have the dang bonds!

-That idiot! (Rufus)

Because of that I think God John did step in, and hope to God he stays!

My first post of today was that John wants to redo the SHC the right way, with proper voting. Trouble is we had Rufus riding his horses around TANKING US. SOMETHING had to be done...

Look at the charts, were was our PPS going?

"SOUTH!"
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Wow, there is a whole new brand of Koolaide being passed around these days.

I have some work to do. I'll check back later, maybe something a little more concrete will surface soon.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Oh, and if one more person says "Arlitt honored the 6:1 and Rufus couldnt manage to do it" gets a cyber slap! Until i see the 6:1 in my account thats a false statement
 
Posted by Fredgrasshopper on :
 
Do we even know who our CEO is at this time?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Tax,

I am not a lawyer and I have to admit legal speak makes my head spin, but it sounds to me like it WAS legit.

There is no mention of the SHC here...its says "the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders".

Does that not mean that a group of shareholders (not all shareholders) can pull together their 51% shares and vote him out?

Any lawyers in the house?


shareholders
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
bump... (What no comments?)

Someone go ask John if he read Section 8 of the By-Laws listed in the most recent 10KSBA

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member, the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

John is NOT legal at this point.


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Chart ~ I do not know how much of what you just said was fact? From MY perspective I would say it appeared to be a good estimate, but we really do not know for sure.

"The party was ALMOST over!!" - Do we really know? I read something posted from Pacer yesterday that the Default was "Terminated" a day after it was filed.

"Everyone here would have LOST ALL THEIR MONEY." - I heard rumors of merger, I heard rumors of judgements being "terminated", I even heard rumors of bonds being drawn, and MM's. the only thing I did not hear but was expecting since I saw nothing concrete in the SEC case was a rumor of the SEC throwing in the towel.

"Because of that I think God John did step in, and hope to God he stays!" - Really? He was your first choice? I would have thought we could have found someone a bit better. Frankly, I spend way too much time on these boards, but I know I read them just as much as Tut did because he did exactly what everyone was screaming about, and in a few short days. (The squeaky wheel gets the grease.) Now what? Romeo Vindetti seemed to be extreemly important to the company, Rufas has obviuosly got a few ties to the bonds and Ben S. has some ties to the Business plan too. What is John going to do without them? Hook up with MA and sell the Carbon Credits and float some dead trees? We were all talking Conglomerate, Holdings company that can take deposits and possibly provide insurance to the subs. I am very nervous that John does not know what he has gotten himself into.

This is a falling stack of dominoes right now, and John IMO is going to slip-up just as bad if not worse than Rufus if he is not carful and extreemly quick.

I wish him luck but this is not a good start. He needed to have Rufas on board and he couldn't wait. Patience is as powerful in business as it is in trading.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
the simple fact is that common share holders ( us! ) almost NEVER hold a controlling interest, officers and directors hold the majority of the voting stock.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Taxback...

I think I can agree with you, but I also believe it was done because Rufus was sitting on his azz and we were about to default to the SEC.

The party was ALMOST over!!
Everyone here would have LOST ALL THEIR MONEY.

And for what?!!
--we have the dang bonds!

-That idiot! (Rufus)

Because of that I think God John did step in, and hope to God he stays!

My first post of today was that John wants to redo the SHC the right way, with proper voting. Trouble is we had Rufus riding his horses around TANKING US. SOMETHING had to be done...

Look at the charts, were was our PPS going?

"SOUTH!"

Ok. I can agree that something needed to be done. I have posted that an answer to the court was of utmost importance.

What is driving me crazy is that John Arlitt, didn't bother to do it legally. IMO, he has put us in another Jackpot. Not the type that pays out.

Here's my questions to John:

1) Have the attorney's you hired answered the courts?

2) Did you check with the NASD and SEC regarding the 6 for 1 Threshold Price reset?

3) Why is there so much secrecy about the Shareholders meeting. Aren't all shareholder's required to recieve the same information as the select few?

4) Why were some shareholders allowed to participate in the vote, even though they were not a part of the shareholder's committee and other's not notified?

5) Did Mike Alexander, Rufus, Ben, Sabra vote?

I hope John knows what he is doing.

Even though I don't believe that Rufus was correct in his handling of the current situation, I do have problems with people that think he doesn't deserve anything for his work. Afterall, He and Ben are the ones that have worked on this for years. If not for their work there would be no company to fight over.

I'm just not ready to annoint John Arlitt as the saviour. He needs to do more than hire a Law Firm, put out an 8K and state that the 6 for 1 will be honored. I know he hasn't been in the position very long.

Time will Tell.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Agreed...!

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Oh, and if one more person says "Arlitt honored the 6:1 and Rufus couldnt manage to do it" gets a cyber slap! Until i see the 6:1 in my account thats a false statement


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
So it looks like we went with the lesser of two evils... GREAT!

Who here heard Rufus last night?
Wth was that?!

Rufus actually said that the company (under him) would fold but that we would get our share value from a lawsuit when this is over.. "?"

The SOB doesn't have a lawyer now!!!!!!!!!!!
WAIT for some pretend trail that's going to pay out millions to cover us all? STFU Rufus ~

Rufus just BROKE my Bullchit meter with that lie!
He won't "spend" money for a lawyer now, you think he will for some BS like that?!!

Rufus says: A tally of BS... read for yourself.
-Rufus doesn't want to hire a lawyer because the SEC will press charges either way? --That's WHY you GET a lawyer!!

-our "value" will come from some FUTURE lawsuit?!! riiiiiight!

Seeing how well he's dealing with THIS lawsuit.... riiiiiight again!

He comes back, there will be a massive dumping of shares....

I wasted enough of my life waiting for nothing, and that's just what he was doing, NOTHING!!!

""""""""MARK THIS POST""""""""
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Don;t forget THIS section...and DEL law appears to designate shareholder privs tothe bylaws FIRST.


Section 8. CONSENT IN LIEU OF MEETINGS: Any action required to be taken at any annual or special meeting of stockholders of a corporation, or any action which may be taken at any annual or special meeting of such stockholders, may be taken without a meeting, without prior notice and without a vote, if a consent in writing, setting forth the action so taken, shall be signed by the holders of outstanding stock having not less than the minimum number of votes that would be necessary to authorize or take such action at a meeting at which all shares entitled to vote thereon were present and voted. Prompt notice of the taking of the corporate action without a meeting by less than unanimous written consent shall be given to those stockholders who have not consented in writing.


quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Tax,

I am not a lawyer and I have to admit legal speak makes my head spin, but it sounds to me like it WAS legit.

There is no mention of the SHC here...its says "the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders".

Does that not mean that a group of shareholders (not all shareholders) can pull together their 51% shares and vote him out?

Any lawyers in the house?


shareholders
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
bump... (What no comments?)

Someone go ask John if he read Section 8 of the By-Laws listed in the most recent 10KSBA

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member, the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

John is NOT legal at this point.



 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
St. Matt ~ no disrespect but did you just skip over this part of the paragraph.

"at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose"

This is not some closed door function of the primary holders. It is public, it is set-up by proxy, and it includes every shareholder of record. Not to do so violates the injunction.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Jenna, mailbox full ~

A. about a dozen people...
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Read my post above...IANAL...but I appears if you have the required number to carry a vote be the requiremnent 20% or 51% you can just do it.

Opinions?

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
St. Matt ~ no disrespect but did you just skip over this part of the paragraph.

"at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose"

This is not some closed door function of the primary holders. It is public, it is set-up by proxy, and it includes every shareholder of record. Not to do so violates the injunction.


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Have a great weekend all!!

Going to a friends wedding out of town.

See ya Sun. Night!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
-have a good one surf!
 
Posted by portman on :
 
BUMP... From the CSHD BYLAWS last 10K

Section 8. CONSENT IN LIEU OF MEETINGS: Any action required to be taken at any annual or special meeting of stockholders of a corporation, or any action which may be taken at any annual or special meeting of such stockholders, may be taken without a meeting, without prior notice and without a vote, if a consent in writing, setting forth the action so taken, shall be signed by the holders of outstanding stock having not less than the minimum number of votes that would be necessary to authorize or take such action at a meeting at which all shares entitled to vote thereon were present and voted. Prompt notice of the taking of the corporate action without a meeting by less than unanimous written consent shall be given to those stockholders who have not consented in writing.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Portman ~ Ok reading the CONSENT IN LIEU OF MEETINGS I can see "may be taken without a meeting, without prior notice and without a vote, if a consent in writing, setting forth the action so taken, shall be signed by the holders of outstanding stock having not less than the minimum number of votes that would be necessary to authorize or take such action at a meeting"

This is a very important clause. If this ever goes to court I feel the definition of "unanimous" is really going to be in question.

Do we have a Lawyer in the house that can address this?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Tax,

I agree with what you are saying...I'm on your side here. I'm upset about the way this has played out also. But where does it say "all" shareholders?

I'm thinking a "special" meeting was indeed called...only it was too "special" for all to attend. You don't suppose this was actually done at the "special" shareholder meeting that was held a couple of Saturdays ago and just was not played out until now.

This might explain the confidentiality agreements that they all had to sign. This might also explain why TonySoprano wanted no part of it. I mean none of the shareholders that attended that call were talking about anything...not even small talk. It's like they just disappeared until this happened...like they knew it was coming.

I just can't help but think John Arlitt would know a little something about something like this before he allowed it. I mean...we are already talking about a company with the Hubble telescope on it from the SEC (and others). You would think / hope everything is being done by the book at this point.

Matthew


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
St. Matt ~ no disrespect but did you just skip over this part of the paragraph.

"at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose"

This is not some closed door function of the primary holders. It is public, it is set-up by proxy, and it includes every shareholder of record. Not to do so violates the injunction.


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So Chart, you think Rufus's wife was in a good mood because they got paid? heh

Do you realize how easy it is for any govt organization to determine how Rufus and family suddenly received a ton of money out of thin air? Come onnnnn, think about that. And, if he was "bought out" legitimately? He would NOT have come on subpenny last night to bring a spotlight back on him.

Rufus's wife was happy last night because it was her husbands birthday and they were celebrating it without and taking their minds off of CSHD for a day. Thats my opinion

IF, he did get greased, he isn't going to have someone dump a bunch of money into his account, come on!...

Even his house is in a trust!
He knows the game FAR to well from taking the heat with BBAN, deals with world banks, ha ~ you won't find a DIME!

On paper he'll look dirt poor... -oh wait, on paper he DOES look dirt poor, yet google earth his home, I see a pool! -not dirt ~

I'm not a John fan btw, or trying to say he can do no wrong, but Rufus did nothing right...

But I do feel that it was the best option, the other was we loose our money, -what's to think about???

With John we have a shot I believe, he has addressed issues like the doc mentioned and is putting things into order AND has HIRED legal council to get the SEC off our back, AMEN I say ~

Thanks John for doing Rufus' job!

Why Rufus didn't do that is beyond me, hence the Rufus got paid off theory!

How else does any of that make sense??????
"really"
 
Posted by portman on :
 
"unanimous" If you are getting that from the PR...you are out of context.

Remember two important things...

Majority Shareholders NOT the Committee voted to remove Rufus.

The Committee ONLY recommended to the Majority Shareholders unanimously.

Personally I think the SC should never have been mentioned.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
hey my favorite show on VH1 is on I love the __'s watching 1990 now...someday somebodys gonna turn around and make you wanna say goodbye... can you hold oooon for one more day... la la la
break free from the chainsss haha .33 weeeeeeeeeee
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Chart, why Rufus didnt act as you just commented is exactly the question you should be asking. I think you are on to something! I dont think you will find the answer yet though.

Now i understand the "Stand before me and you will live, stand behind me and you shall perish" comment. Tut has been trying to rally a following for quite some time now. If he was super qualified for the position i wonder why he didnt just come forward and say so. Hmmmm, interesting indeed.

Arlitt already lost 2 people from his little secret society, how many more will fall in the coming days?
 
Posted by portman on :
 
For the record I was and partially still am a Rufus fan.

But I fear far less for those who have mortgaged homes and are behind in bills far less under John than Rufus.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RushDaBus:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Hopefully some of you were able to find a better exit point today. Contrary to what you all might believe, I actually DO hope I'm wrong about this stock. I never like to see people lose money. I've just seen nothing here to convince me that this stock is anything more than a typical penny.

Hey Kevin;

 - [Roll Eyes]

Then don't respond. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Guys gals.. I am done with this conversation...No use arguing if the courts will decide.

I like folks on both sides of this matter. I just hope it all works out for the best.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Jenna, mailbox full ~

A. about a dozen people...

It's better now- thanks---
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Jenna, mailbox full ~

A. about a dozen people...

It's better now- thanks---
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Guys gals.. I am done with this conversation...No use arguing if the courts will decide.

I like folks on both sides of this matter. I just hope it all works out for the best.

Amen


GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
is Randy Moseley CFO? appears he will only take the job IF he can get D and O insurance witch is ---------- Directors and officers are quickly joining the ranks of the professional and business owner as targets for liability suits. By taking on the highly visible position of director or officer, you assume great personal risk. You could be held liable for any number of things from abuse of authority and libel to slander and financial mismanagement brought against you by shareholders, creditors, customers or employees -- to name a few.

Considering the ever increasing amounts that juries award in today's courtrooms, a liability suit could conceivably wipe out your life savings and drive you into personal bankruptcy, not to mention wreak havoc in your company. By covering the litigation costs and damages in the event you are sued, director's and officer's (D&O) insurance may save you and your company from a financial disaster.
RUFUS was CEO he resigned, new management team came on board then QUIT ( could`nt get D and O? ) RUFUS comes back sets up bogus committee and they fire him (now it`s all our fault if this goes south WE fired him! ) new CEO comes on board ( big deal!) we may or may not have a CFO?, rufus says share holders will get thier money from the law suit! ( did he realy say that!? ) WOW what a great stock!! we are GOLDEN!! LOL!!!
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Tax,

I am not a lawyer and I have to admit legal speak makes my head spin, but it sounds to me like it WAS legit.

There is no mention of the SHC here...its says "the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders".

Does that not mean that a group of shareholders (not all shareholders) can pull together their 51% shares and vote him out?

Any lawyers in the house?


shareholders
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
bump... (What no comments?)

Someone go ask John if he read Section 8 of the By-Laws listed in the most recent 10KSBA

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member, the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

John is NOT legal at this point.


Do we know with certainty who owns a majority of the OS? And by own I mean really owns - certs? Wouldn't it be interesting if everyone, including me, really had no influence on CSHD because we all own air. I have always thought that you would only attempt something like this if you were bulletproof and had one and only one way to ensure your survival - control the majority. Rufus is no mad man and we are not on the inside. More to come, IMO.

If you want to use common sense ask yourself what you, as a savvy, connected and sane person would have done over the course of the last 2.5 years to set yourself up for success. Would you have left yourself open to the most obvious means to get ushered to the door in the form of an ad-hoc shareholder action? Not me.

Using the PPS as a guage is pointless right now. Feel free to sell if that is your marker.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
portman..

yes, I like this board very much, it's people are great. Nice to see things from different views.

I too only want what's best cause it's my money too ~

I think, as does the market it seems, (HOD .33) that Johns our boy. I too like Wally could care less WHO is CEO, just do your job or I'll take my money elsewhere ~

I stated we should be in the .30's today, I hope Rufus doesn't effect our PPS anymore...

Peace, enjoy the weekend peeps [Smile]
Chart ~
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
"unanimous" If you are getting that from the PR...you are out of context.

Remember two important things...

Majority Shareholders NOT the Committee voted to remove Rufus.

The Committee ONLY recommended to the Majority Shareholders unanimously.

Personally I think the SC should never have been mentioned.

No I was not talking about that "unanimous". Unlike many who had been confused by who really "ousted" Rufas I was not. I was talking about the one in your CONSENT IN LIEU OF MEETINGS clause. And the "unanimous" that was stated in the Delaware law that apeals to the By-Laws. Matter of fact if there really have been 600 Million shares traded, and the float was bought by trust, then I think the true outstanding remains in question, and in the end will come back to bite a few that may think they have controlling interest, but in reality may not.

Quit debating with me... I am still not selling my shares. I just have this feeling that if John doesn't get to work the shares I have and the 6 new ones I may get will be worth nada anyway.

This whole situation smells...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
What I mean is that I am not worth debating when you have as much on your plate as you do now.

I am not going anywhere, and i have not been happy with this stock and events before. This is no different. I am just trying to get to the conclusion and I even know it will come in it's own time.

Dig into that new job, and "Get'R Done". Chairmen of the SHC should not be posting one boards either IMO. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Yes, the situation smells Taxback...

Makes one wish they never purchased in the first place.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
For the record I was and partially still am a Rufus fan.

But I fear far less for those who have mortgaged homes and are behind in bills far less under John than Rufus.

I would tend to take this stance too....FWIW, a lot of the reason we got to $4 was market perception, and the market is following John a little now. JMHO
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Tax,

That is a very good post...very valid points. I totally see what you are saying now...sorry, I'm working on very little sleep. Who knows who holds real shares unless they have their certs. I don't have mine. I just might have to request them soon. Did the people who voted to oust him have their certs? I would certainly hope so.

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
"unanimous" If you are getting that from the PR...you are out of context.

Remember two important things...

Majority Shareholders NOT the Committee voted to remove Rufus.

The Committee ONLY recommended to the Majority Shareholders unanimously.

Personally I think the SC should never have been mentioned.

No I was not talking about that "unanimous". Unlike many who had been confused by who really "ousted" Rufas I was not. I was talking about the one in your CONSENT IN LIEU OF MEETINGS clause. And the "unanimous" that was stated in the Delaware law that apeals to the By-Laws. Matter of fact if there really have been 600 Million shares traded, and the float was bought by trust, then I think the true outstanding remains in question, and in the end will come back to bite a few that may think they have controlling interest, but in reality may not.

Quit debating with me... I am still not selling my shares. I just have this feeling that if John doesn't get to work the shares I have and the 6 new ones I may get will be worth nada anyway.

This whole situation smells...


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Could someone explain how the company gets money when shares are purchased?
- I think my father explained it pretty well but looking for anything further- he said when the company offers shares intially that's when they get their money after that when the sales are from one person to another it doesn't go to the company it goes to the person who sold the shares....

Anybody else care to add anything....
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Could someone explain how the company gets money when shares are purchased?
- I think my father explained it pretty well but looking for anything further- he said when the company offers shares intially that's when they get their money after that when the sales are from one person to another it doesn't go to the company it goes to the person who sold the shares....

Anybody else care to add anything....

this is correct, company receives money from shares in the INITIAL offering, after that traders take profit/losses when trading. the company can take loans and issue shares for services ( cash value of same ) they can also issue options for cash to cover operating exspenses or issue shares for cash in private placements, lots of ways to trade shares for cash or sevices.
 
Posted by Fredgrasshopper on :
 
Will the "REAL" CEO please stand up!! LOL
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
This is interesting from HSM


Today, 10:43 AM #4359
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Originally Posted by GaOnMyMind
This is what I was wondering...where are those CVSU shareholders, before the merger from the private company...


We are all here but we have not received our shares our any comunication from the company. I wish I was on SPR last night so I could have asked Rufus where our shares are? I know the S-4 has to be filed but where is the money that we all invested???? Did Rufus spend it on beer?
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Portman, please tell me if I am way off or not on this THEORY. From the beginning Rufus has stated a financial institution bought up the majority of the float. What if that institution is John's company. They are a finacial inst. If that were the case, then he could be a MAJORITY shareholder. Please let me know what you think.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
Portman, please tell me if I am way off or not on this THEORY. From the beginning Rufus has stated a financial institution bought up the majority of the float. What if that institution is John's company. They are a finacial inst. If that were the case, then he could be a MAJORITY shareholder. Please let me know what you think.

That thought ran through my mind too....
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
Portman, please tell me if I am way off or not on this THEORY. From the beginning Rufus has stated a financial institution bought up the majority of the float. What if that institution is John's company. They are a finacial inst. If that were the case, then he could be a MAJORITY shareholder. Please let me know what you think.

That thought ran through my mind too....
SURRRRRRRRRRRE! [Big Grin] [Razz]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OK I keep going over these By-Laws and besides clause Portman pasted there isn't anything to support the action taken as I know of it. I hope that CONSENT IN LIEU OF MEETINGS clause stands up.

This exerpt from Section 4 has me worried too.

"Business transacted at all special meetings shall be confined to the objects stated in the call and matters germane thereto, unless all stockholders entitled to vote are present and consent.

Written notice of a special meeting of stockholders stating the time and place and object thereof, shall be given to each stockholder entitled to vote thereat at least ten days before such meeting! Unless a greater period of notice is required by statute in a particular case."

I am sure "All" were not present, and I know the subject "Kick Rufas to the curb" was not made public ten days prior. Heck we still do not know what went on at the meeting.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dlab:
This is interesting from HSM


Today, 10:43 AM #4359
cshdlong
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Originally Posted by GaOnMyMind
This is what I was wondering...where are those CVSU shareholders, before the merger from the private company...


We are all here but we have not received our shares our any comunication from the company. I wish I was on SPR last night so I could have asked Rufus where our shares are? I know the S-4 has to be filed but where is the money that we all invested???? Did Rufus spend it on beer?

how do u have shares of a private company if they arent public? just trying to learn here..
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by dlab:
This is interesting from HSM


Today, 10:43 AM #4359
cshdlong
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Join Date: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by GaOnMyMind
This is what I was wondering...where are those CVSU shareholders, before the merger from the private company...


We are all here but we have not received our shares our any comunication from the company. I wish I was on SPR last night so I could have asked Rufus where our shares are? I know the S-4 has to be filed but where is the money that we all invested???? Did Rufus spend it on beer?

how do u have shares of a private company if they arent public? just trying to learn here..
Possible - particularly if they once were a public company and decide to take it private. Shares and all that pertains to still applies - it is just VERY hard to buy or sell when private, emphasis being on the sell IMHO.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
Portman, please tell me if I am way off or not on this THEORY. From the beginning Rufus has stated a financial institution bought up the majority of the float. What if that institution is John's company. They are a finacial inst. If that were the case, then he could be a MAJORITY shareholder. Please let me know what you think.

That thought ran through my mind too....
I do not remember the word instituion being used, only that there was a trust involved. I am thinking more along the lines of a trust representing a family.

Besides, most institutions would have charters preventing the purchase of such a volatile and low-priced stock.

Additionally, in looking at the numbers next to John's name in his previous dealings, he does not look like a big enough fish to pull this off.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
Portman, please tell me if I am way off or not on this THEORY. From the beginning Rufus has stated a financial institution bought up the majority of the float. What if that institution is John's company. They are a finacial inst. If that were the case, then he could be a MAJORITY shareholder. Please let me know what you think.

That thought ran through my mind too....
I do not remember the word instituion being used, only that there was a trust involved. I am thinking more along the lines of a trust representing a family.

Besides, most institutions would have charters preventing the purchase of such a volatile and low-priced stock.

Additionally, in looking at the numbers next to John's name in his previous dealings, he does not look like a big enough fish to pull this off.

... In My humble Opinion

I can't remember, but I believe he said a financial institution. I definitly could be mistaken though. [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by dlab:
This is interesting from HSM


Today, 10:43 AM #4359
cshdlong
HSM Enthusiast


Join Date: Oct 2006
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Originally Posted by GaOnMyMind
This is what I was wondering...where are those CVSU shareholders, before the merger from the private company...


We are all here but we have not received our shares our any comunication from the company. I wish I was on SPR last night so I could have asked Rufus where our shares are? I know the S-4 has to be filed but where is the money that we all invested???? Did Rufus spend it on beer?

how do u have shares of a private company if they arent public? just trying to learn here..
http://www.inc.com/magazine/20000501/18710.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_company

http://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/06/privatecompanystock.asp
 
Posted by brooklyn55 on :
 
Well kind of off-topic but have perused this information on a site I use for liens, bankrupties called privateeye.com

All names have residence at 10 Ingram St. Taylorsville, GA 30178 386-9241

HARRIS,PAUL RUFUS BD. 9-1-1968 age 38
HARRIS,RUFUS BD. 11-30-1967 age 39
HARRIS, ANISSA BD. 9-1-1941 age 65
HARRIS, MCKENSEY age unknown

Can someone offer other information on hand
for me.(e.g. wife's name- brother's names,
daughter's name- mother's name etc) with what
is known in his bio.)

This is within the last year upload.

I did not go to BBQ or Dallas meeting but I am
sure there are contacts on here or HSM that can
offer other bio information. I cannot confirm
100% of data offered but only what the site
presents to me for Rufus Paul Harris B. 11-30-1967.
Again the datafeed may be incorrect but wanted
others in the know to acknowledge or verify.

Me thinks 2 Rufus's in the same address 9 months
apart seems strange. At least it will take
others off the Friday PM cat scratching.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Anything new happen today?
 
Posted by fryyguyy on :
 
I found this while searching Euroclear.

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/_s.7_0_A/7_0_E0/.cmd/ad/.ar/780104/.ps /X/.c/6_0_77/.ce/7_0_E3/.p/5_0_7K/.d/0?PC_7_0_E3_AdvancedSearchEB=No&PC_7_0_E3_j spPageAction=SearchEB&PC_7_0_E3_forceAdvancedSearch=false&PC_7_0_E3_search_radio =all&PC_7_0_E3_search_select=contains&PC_7_0_E3_search_text=conversion&PC_7_0_E3 _results_select1=name&PC_7_0_E3_results_select2=asc
 
Posted by fryyguyy on :
 
Try this link and do a search on conversion

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
brooklyn did you try Paul Rufus Harris?
 
Posted by fryyguyy on :
 
There is a new one created there today called VENEZUELAN BOND TRUST. Very interesting.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Repo is loving FRPT about now. 8k out

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah. Dare I say, I think I'm going to win our bet.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fryyguyy:
Try this link and do a search on conversion

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0

This one is a bond under "conversion" does it match the old 8k #'s???

VENEZUELAN BOND TRUST VAR 18.12.07
XS0031261455
003126145

USD
05 Apr 1991
19 Dec 2006
01 Dec 2006
E
BOND
16 May 1991
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fryyguyy:
There is a new one created there today called VENEZUELAN BOND TRUST. Very interesting.

Wow I see that! Was that there before?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
yes, but does it comes up under "conversion"
-not conversion solutions right?...

Are you guys getting that too???
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
yes, but does it comes up under "conversion"
-not conversion solutions right?...

Are you guys getting that too???

right chart....plus that was created in 1991
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
yes, but does it comes up under "conversion"
-not conversion solutions right?...

Are you guys getting that too???

the company also goes by the name conversion...more than a coincidence i would think! venez + bond + conversion...looks likea bullseye....
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
-looks like a dead end to me ~
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
On March 15, 2006, the Company acquired full ownership of Global Bonds issued through the Republic of Venezuela with an issuance date of July 31, 1998 and a maturity date of August 15, 2018. The principal amount of the bonds is $500,000,000 USD with a fixed interest rate of 13.625%, computed on a semi-annual basis. The applicable identification codes are as follows: Common Code - 008975540; CUSIP - 922646AT1; & ISIN Code - US922646AT10. The first interest payment is due on August 8, 2006, in which interest receivable and revenue have been properly accrued, to the holders of the bonds (the Company
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I just want Monday to be a home run for our team...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
It may not be ours... but it is interesting.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
brooklyn did you try Paul Rufus Harris?

That is Paul Rufus Harris. Rufus Paul Harris, born on a different date, comes up as a possible relative. Also, take note of Anissa....born 1941. It was my understanding that Anissa was his wife. Its kinda confusing IMO, no idea what it means either way
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I would like to know "how" John is doing this...is it the threshold reset? Is it under a dividend? How?

Mr. CATIAEngineer
Member


Member Rated:
posted December 01, 2006 11:16 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, and if one more person says "Arlitt honored the 6:1 and Rufus couldnt manage to do it" gets a cyber slap! Until i see the 6:1 in my account thats a false statement


[Confused]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I would like to know "how" John is doing this...is it the threshold reset? Is it under a dividend? How?

Mr. CATIAEngineer
Member


Member Rated:
posted December 01, 2006 11:16 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, and if one more person says "Arlitt honored the 6:1 and Rufus couldnt manage to do it" gets a cyber slap! Until i see the 6:1 in my account thats a false statement


[Confused]

I thought the PR or post - whatever it was - specifically said threshold price reset.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Look a little closer at that record date...the other dates are simply security creation dates...

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
yes, but does it comes up under "conversion"
-not conversion solutions right?...

Are you guys getting that too???

right chart....plus that was created in 1991

 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I would like to know "how" John is doing this...is it the threshold reset? Is it under a dividend? How?

Mr. CATIAEngineer
Member


Member Rated:
posted December 01, 2006 11:16 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, and if one more person says "Arlitt honored the 6:1 and Rufus couldnt manage to do it" gets a cyber slap! Until i see the 6:1 in my account thats a false statement


[Confused]

I thought the PR or post - whatever it was - specifically said threshold price reset.
It did. But didn't explain how it would be accomplished. No details.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
THRESHOLD PRICE Reset means it would be the orginal "reset" price right?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I would like to know "how" John is doing this...is it the threshold reset? Is it under a dividend? How?

Mr. CATIAEngineer
Member


Member Rated:
posted December 01, 2006 11:16 AM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh, and if one more person says "Arlitt honored the 6:1 and Rufus couldnt manage to do it" gets a cyber slap! Until i see the 6:1 in my account thats a false statement


[Confused]

well either way I don't think that is his address.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
the only thing it says for "conversion solutions" is "stock" has it always been like this? why doesnt it show bonds?


quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
Look a little closer at that record date...the other dates are simply security creation dates...

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
yes, but does it comes up under "conversion"
-not conversion solutions right?...

Are you guys getting that too???

right chart....plus that was created in 1991


 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
THRESHOLD PRICE Reset means it would be the orginal "reset" price right?

No (at least not by my understanding). We get 6 shares - not considered a split of any kind. No change to PPS. Someone correct me if I am wrong...
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
the only thing it says for "conversion solutions" is "stock" has it always been like this? why doesnt it show bonds?


quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
Look a little closer at that record date...the other dates are simply security creation dates...

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
yes, but does it comes up under "conversion"
-not conversion solutions right?...

Are you guys getting that too???

right chart....plus that was created in 1991


I think it always said "stock" Ryan and I were trying to look into that and came to a dead end.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
I feel like im in the dark...and no1 can find the switch, we are just bumping into eachother aimlessly
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
I feel like im in the dark...and no1 can find the switch, we are just bumping into eachother aimlessly

Someone just grabbed my butt!!!!!!! [Eek!]

Jenna, was that you? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
I feel like im in the dark...and no1 can find the switch, we are just bumping into eachother aimlessly

Someone just grabbed my butt!!!!!!! [Eek!]

Jenna, was that you? [Big Grin]

Yup, sorry, I just thought it was a couple of pillows...


Trade- I have to say that was a pretty good analogy...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
bahhh humbug i'm going to have my daily stress relieving nap...take it easy everyone dont let this situation get the best of you
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Any predictions for Monday?
 
Posted by brooklyn55 on :
 
Does anyone know what address the SEC papers were
sent to that Rufus's daughter signed for?

They were not sent to the suite office.
They were sent to his home.
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
Yeah new this looks like everything I've seen on that sight before. It doesn't look like anything new to me.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by brooklyn55:
Does anyone know what address the SEC papers were
sent to that Rufus's daughter signed for?

They were not sent to the suite office.
They were sent to his home.

383 Clear Creek Rd NW
Adairsville GA 30103

But if you do a reverse search on that you get Atlewa Trust.....been there done that.
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Any predictions for Monday?

The only prediction I can make about Monday and I'm pretty damn positive that it will come after sunday and I'll be back at work [Smile] . sorry j/k
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Any predictions for Monday?

The only prediction I can make about Monday and I'm pretty damn positive that it will come after sunday and I'll be back at work [Smile] . sorry j/k
LOL - I think it is going to be a big day either way - we have a default judgement ruling or John A pulls a rabbit outta the hat...
 
Posted by Fredgrasshopper on :
 
Last night on SPR Anthony said he voted via a notarized ballot. I would like to know who took part in this election of John. What o/s share count were they basing the 51% on? There would have to be a list of the voters and the shares they owned, I would think. Why is not this list made public to the other shareholders? To see the list of voters would be some very juicy info. 51% is a ton of shares. Who owned these shares?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Many questions surround this...with no real answers...IMO

quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
Last night on SPR Anthony said he voted via a notarized ballot. I would like to know who took part in this election of John. What o/s share count were they basing the 51% on? There would have to be a list of the voters and the shares they owned, I would think. Why is not this list made public to the other shareholders? To see the list of voters would be some very juicy info. 51% is a ton of shares. Who owned these shares?


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
Last night on SPR Anthony said he voted via a notarized ballot. I would like to know who took part in this election of John. What o/s share count were they basing the 51% on? There would have to be a list of the voters and the shares they owned, I would think. Why is not this list made public to the other shareholders? To see the list of voters would be some very juicy info. 51% is a ton of shares. Who owned these shares?

I agree. Especially since not all shareholders were asked to participate.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
I posed this question last night...another we don't have an answer to...

What does the SEC consider "proof" beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing fraudulent has occured? How can we obtain said "proof" and make them happy?

No one has ever answered these questions...and I'm dying to know the answer...
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Probably best to ask the SEC. Numbers, and email addresses are floating around of those persuing the case.

quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I posed this question last night...another we don't have an answer to...

What does the SEC consider "proof" beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing fraudulent has occured? How can we obtain said "proof" and make them happy?

No one has ever answered these questions...and I'm dying to know the answer...


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I posed this question last night...another we don't have an answer to...

What does the SEC consider "proof" beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing fraudulent has occured? How can we obtain said "proof" and make them happy?

No one has ever answered these questions...and I'm dying to know the answer...

IMO, we can first be able to find some of that out now that we have a lawyer ~

Our side will ask their side for their "proof" and review it (they have to turn that info over to them by law, -standard practice).

I know (or have been strongly lead to believe) that John wants the company to move forward, hence every "i" being dotted and legal council hired...

We shall see, I actually feel like something is being done now... -hope it is.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I posed this question last night...another we don't have an answer to...

What does the SEC consider "proof" beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing fraudulent has occured? How can we obtain said "proof" and make them happy?

No one has ever answered these questions...and I'm dying to know the answer...

I betcha John is working on that.......
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Chart ~ I hope you are right.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
So do I taxback.... so do I.... sigh ~

What's the PPS at?...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
chart says
"We shall see, I actually feel like something is being done now... -hope it is."

it will be interesting to find out if what Rufus stated on SPR about signing the TRO and the other oder "was the answer" and there really was nothing else to be done as far as court...

I'm also curious if Rufus will make a "stink" about being thrown under the bus by the SHC...Sounded like he "told" the SHC in the teleconference call to get a few things done...and he would be out of town for the Holidays...but he would get back to them afterwards...then he comes back to no job...?

As i told some other peeps...this play is "done" in my head...but will be interesting (as always) to watch things unfold...only to refold again...
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
.29 Chart
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
100K trade at .28, someone still believes something lol.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
.29 Chart

Well there's your Christmas miracle!! lol ~ [Big Grin]

-and yes, I must say if it wasn't for John I'd pull the plug on this myself, but as long as he's there, I'll ride this out... He has the money, some connections etc...

Like I said, the right PR and this baby is GONE!!

--no PRESSURE here John!!! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] lol ~~

Have a great weekend Board! [Smile]
Chart ~
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
The shareholder that talked to Rufus on SPR sounds a lot like Timothy Miles. A lot.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
.29 Chart

Well there's your Christmas miracle!! lol ~ [Big Grin]

-and yes, I must say if it wasn't for John I'd pull the plug on this myself, but as long as he's there, I'll ride this out... He has the money, some connections etc...

Like I said, the right PR and this baby is GONE!!

--no PRESSURE here John!!! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] lol ~~

Have a great weekend Board! [Smile]
Chart ~

I think we either see our "vindication" PR or the almighty toilet bowl early next week....hoping for a bigger Christmas miracle to say the least!
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Why does the volume drop everytime a trade for 0 shares happens? We were near 750K a little bit ago, and now its under 700k.
 
Posted by Fredgrasshopper on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I posed this question last night...another we don't have an answer to...

What does the SEC consider "proof" beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing fraudulent has occured? How can we obtain said "proof" and make them happy?

No one has ever answered these questions...and I'm dying to know the answer...


 
Posted by Fredgrasshopper on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I posed this question last night...another we don't have an answer to...

What does the SEC consider "proof" beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing fraudulent has occured? How can we obtain said "proof" and make them happy?

No one has ever answered these questions...and I'm dying to know the answer...


Maybe the SEC will be happy when the shorts have covered. Rufus alluded on SPR to the fact that they were screaming FRAUD even if he pulled the bonds. Even with an attorney they could run this investigation as long as they see fit. IMHO
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
Why does the volume drop everytime a trade for 0 shares happens? We were near 750K a little bit ago, and now its under 700k.

Igor, did you ever click on my siggy and watch that video?... -pretty interesting.... [Smile]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
I do believe that John has been pulling his hair out watching what Rufus has,... -or HASN'T been doing.

John just may come through, -bigtime too!

Time will tell...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Let's think about this - Rufus stated there would be a meeting in a PR, an hour before the meeting we still had no info about it? Who's fault is that? Is it John's? Is it James Gees, Is it mine or yours? No!! This is when the crap hit the fan for the second time...(or third or sixteenth) then he had to be called to get it set up (I think) Let's start to think outside the box...Why would he say there was to be a meeting & then not give us info on it???

Then the meeting happened and only some were invited & most of you know if YOU were asked you would have been in on it in a heartbeat...then magically no one spoke after.....HHHMMM...who decided that? Was it the SHC? Doubt it....Don't you have to sign a paper stating your not going to speak freely about something....How did that happen? Not even sure if that is what happened.....What makes sense?


Either people weren't speaking after because they weren't allowed to..or they felt content & were very satisfied or they were doing "damage control" by not creating panic......not sure which....What makes sense?

Everyone has to ask themselves....DO you honestly think the SHC doesn't have ALL of our best interest at heart? They are one of us for God's sake....They ARE US.....We may in the end be thanking the SHC for doing what they did...Why would they hurt their investment? We have all lost quite a bit of money.....I believe the SHC is doing good for all of us....

We need to look at it from the outside in or the inside out however you choose, really really look at this.....

I hope Rufus isn't a bad apple, I hope John isn't a bad apple, but I guess we will find out...Look at everything that's happened & look at what's happening now.....

Like Judge Judy says- "If it doesn't make sense...It's NOT TRUE...."
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
If rufus really is still running the ship, and I would say that could be good or bad, one thing he said last night really irked me. Don't quote me on this, but he said something about nothing happening till january regarding the stock as far as moving off the greys. I probably didn't hear that correctly, but if I did, come on now january? Whats with all the waiting? I'm not expecting $1000 pps tomorrow, well monday, but lets atleast have some progress ASAP.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Sorry...but this is still what I cant understand. What billion dollar company has 2 executives?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Sorry...but this is still what I cant understand. What billion dollar company has 2 executives?

Let's think about that- good question?
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Wow...I must have missed something...im reading HSM..and rufus was on SPR last night? what was said?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Jenna you quoted Judge Judy! She cracks me up!! LOL
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
They are one of us for God's sake....They ARE US.....

Like Judge Judy says- "If it doesn't make sense...It's NOT TRUE...."

Jenna ~ I disagree to a point John and I may both be invested in this stock, but I do not think it is for the same reason. I can buy the crap outta it, but no matter how much I try I would not be able to buy the crap out of it as comfortably as John.

Additionally, I was not too happy to hear rumor that John/Tut went from concerned shareholder to wannabe CEO following his friend Mike Alexander's tenure. Almost like he got a detailed report of the true nature of the company and assests, and decided to make his bid for control.

And as far as Judge Judy's quote. Then I guess this entire stock is False. Because none of this is making any sense.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
How soon we forget …

It wasn’t that long ago that we listened to RPH on subpennyradio.com, shouting, “You’ve grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail”.

Once asked on SPR if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “Yes, I have several” and elaborated that his primary attorney could not attend the first SEC hearing “because the lawyer was vacationing in Italy.”

Last night when asked if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “No”.

A few weeks ago, he claimed to be on the hunt for a “bulldog” of a lawyer because we were “going on the offensive”.

When asked about the possibility of returning to the market on grey sheets, he responded “no way”.

When questioned about the possibility of a default judgment being entered he said, “We’ve signed the injunction, no further response is needed – that won’t happen”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be filed on time, he answered, “absolutely”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be audited, he answered, “yes it will”.

After taking back, control of the company, that same night Rufus claimed, “Our ducks are lined up” and now its time to move forward. Just two days passed, and the SEC, due to CSHD’s failure to respond, entered the default judgment.

This is a very short list of “breaches of fiduciary responsibility” over a short period; however, Rufus would have you believe that it is the SEC, NSS, DTCC, Transfer Agent, and Shareholder Committee’s fault.
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Sorry...but this is still what I cant understand. What billion dollar company has 2 executives?

Let's think about that- good question?
Has CSHD ever had more than 3 or 4 employees ? lol, the more you look at the past few months the more the absolute lunacy of this really starts to show.

The fact that Rufus was able to pump this from .08 to $4 is really quite amazing. Somebody made some SERIOUS money. Of course many have lost serious money and here we are.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I think I joked a while back that if the price went way down, I would just buy a controlling interest and throw myself a $7.2B party.

I am concerned that this is exactly what just happened, just not at such a low pps level.

Arlitt Financial Corp. just had a record day IMO.
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
How soon we forget …

It wasn’t that long ago that we listened to RPH on subpennyradio.com, shouting, “You’ve grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail”.

Once asked on SPR if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “Yes, I have several” and elaborated that his primary attorney could not attend the first SEC hearing “because the lawyer was vacationing in Italy.”

Last night when asked if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “No”.

A few weeks ago, he claimed to be on the hunt for a “bulldog” of a lawyer because we were “going on the offensive”.

When asked about the possibility of returning to the market on grey sheets, he responded “no way”.

When questioned about the possibility of a default judgment being entered he said, “We’ve signed the injunction, no further response is needed – that won’t happen”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be filed on time, he answered, “absolutely”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be audited, he answered, “yes it will”.

After taking back, control of the company, that same night Rufus claimed, “Our ducks are lined up” and now its time to move forward. Just two days passed, and the SEC, due to CSHD’s failure to respond, entered the default judgment.

This is a very short list of “breaches of fiduciary responsibility” over a short period; however, Rufus would have you believe that it is the SEC, NSS, DTCC, Transfer Agent, and Shareholder Committee’s fault.

There is a simple answer to this:

Rufus is absolutley insane.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Texasmoney...
All very good points...thanks for the "wake-up" slap...LOL
But other things are just as "sneaky" and equally disturbing...
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
How soon we forget …

It wasn’t that long ago that we listened to RPH on subpennyradio.com, shouting, “You’ve grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail”.

Once asked on SPR if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “Yes, I have several” and elaborated that his primary attorney could not attend the first SEC hearing “because the lawyer was vacationing in Italy.”

Last night when asked if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “No”.

A few weeks ago, he claimed to be on the hunt for a “bulldog” of a lawyer because we were “going on the offensive”.

When asked about the possibility of returning to the market on grey sheets, he responded “no way”.

When questioned about the possibility of a default judgment being entered he said, “We’ve signed the injunction, no further response is needed – that won’t happen”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be filed on time, he answered, “absolutely”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be audited, he answered, “yes it will”.

After taking back, control of the company, that same night Rufus claimed, “Our ducks are lined up” and now its time to move forward. Just two days passed, and the SEC, due to CSHD’s failure to respond, entered the default judgment.

This is a very short list of “breaches of fiduciary responsibility” over a short period; however, Rufus would have you believe that it is the SEC, NSS, DTCC, Transfer Agent, and Shareholder Committee’s fault.

There is a simple answer to this:

Rufus is absolutley insane.

maybe that will be his defense in the class action suit thats comming! LOL!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
TM ~ that post hit alot of nails directly on the head. Good Post.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 

 
Posted by CapitalGains on :
 
Hey T e x. My Dad says AEP is on the new york stock exchange. I asked about the graysheets and he said I shouldn't trade on that exchange. He said pinksheets and overthecounter are not good either. He gets mad that I want to play them and says he has never sold a stock. He mentioned dollar cost averaging.

I have been reading some when I get time but now I'm gonna go play some basketball. I'm on my school team as a guard. Shooting guard that is.

See ya!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CapitalGains:
Hey T e x. My Dad says AEP is on the new york stock exchange. I asked about the graysheets and he said I shouldn't trade on that exchange. He said pinksheets and overthecounter are not good either. He gets mad that I want to play them and says he has never sold a stock. He mentioned dollar cost averaging.

I have been reading some when I get time but now I'm gonna go play some basketball. I'm on my school team as a guard. Shooting guard that is.

See ya!

Listen to your dad...
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Anything new yesterday or today that would benefit me to read the last 20 pages? I'm made a quick skim last night and just now and all seems mostly speculative conversation. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything. I have two sick kids. Thanks!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
Anything new yesterday or today that would benefit me to read the last 20 pages? I'm made a quick skim last night and just now and all seems mostly speculative conversation. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything. I have two sick kids. Thanks!

Nothing life changing.
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
Rufus was on SPR last night, most of the speculation is based off of it. SPR is playing the end of the replay right now (after Rufus), it should be restarting in 30 mins or so.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
Rufus was on SPR last night, most of the speculation is based of of it. SPR is playing the end of the replay right now (after Rufus), it should be restarting in 30 mins or so.

can you quickly sum up what he said?
 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
Rufus was on SPR last night, most of the speculation is based of of it. SPR is playing the end of the replay right now (after Rufus), it should be restarting in 30 mins or so.

can you quickly sum up what he said?
Not really, there was a lot to be confused over IMHO. There was a little bit oh him being upset, a little bit of him saying the take over wasnt legal, a little bit of things are still going good, a little bit of him being wasted... you will have to listen to it and make your own opinion really.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by Spookyswife:
Rufus was on SPR last night, most of the speculation is based of of it. SPR is playing the end of the replay right now (after Rufus), it should be restarting in 30 mins or so.

can you quickly sum up what he said?
With Rufus, nothing is ever quick...the long and short (no pun intended) is that Rufus seems angry that John is running the ship, says that the takeover was illegal, and said he won't be able to execute without himself (Rufie) and Ben, but he will have to pay for it to the tune of 500K. Also admitted (I think) monkeying with the website like we witnessed....anything critical I forgot gang?
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Wasted on our cash probably like all his guests at the BBQ's...

Now that you folks didn't get to vote don't you feel, well, betrayed even when you signed up in time and properly?

I'm not wasting my time. I'm gonna sell out when we get those 6:1 shares. That way I'll be closer to even than now...

Have a great weekend all and be safe!
 
Posted by humble on :
 
http://books.google.com/books?id=psHdXG1WET8C&dq=global+financial+markets+dec+1, +2006&pg=PA53&ots=71vuu r0iQ0&sig=Ga-0SkC6ADaZJkUQO_Ound4DnLM&prev=http://www.google.com/search%3Fhl%3De n%26lr%3Dlang_en%26q%3Dglobal%2Bfinancial%2Bmarkets%2Bdec%2B1%252C%2B2006%26btnG %3DSearch&sa=X&oi=print&ct=result&cd=1#PPA46,M1

The section I found particularly interesting is the discussion of emerging bond markets (pgs 43-46).

Of particular note:
- The Euro has emerged as a major international reserve currency
- Local bond markets are the chief means of investing in emerging markets by institutional and individual investors - to the tune of $3.5 trillion as of Sept, 2005.
- Emerging market bond issuances are concentrated; 69% of all issuances originate in ten countries, two of which are Brazil and Venezuela, with Brazil topping the list of all latin american countries.

It's always good to keep an eye on the expanded view. Since 2002 the emerging market for bonds has been growing exponentially. Someone's got to act as the transactional middle man to facilitate all of this money changing hands. $3.5 trillion... let's shoot for a small piece of that pie.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Im confused. I was just searching around looking for anything that sticks out and i came across that new place PurlGurl hangs out. I decided to read a few things and I got this cold lonely feeling.

Are there really people out there that find enjoyment in spending countless hours investigating and posting about stocks they DONT WANT? I guess I have some guesses at what types of personality those people but in general they just seem very lonely.

Its a myth to me
 
Posted by portman on :
 
This is a very very short list...


quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
How soon we forget …

It wasn’t that long ago that we listened to RPH on subpennyradio.com, shouting, “You’ve grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail”.

Once asked on SPR if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “Yes, I have several” and elaborated that his primary attorney could not attend the first SEC hearing “because the lawyer was vacationing in Italy.”

Last night when asked if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “No”.

A few weeks ago, he claimed to be on the hunt for a “bulldog” of a lawyer because we were “going on the offensive”.

When asked about the possibility of returning to the market on grey sheets, he responded “no way”.

When questioned about the possibility of a default judgment being entered he said, “We’ve signed the injunction, no further response is needed – that won’t happen”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be filed on time, he answered, “absolutely”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be audited, he answered, “yes it will”.

After taking back, control of the company, that same night Rufus claimed, “Our ducks are lined up” and now its time to move forward. Just two days passed, and the SEC, due to CSHD’s failure to respond, entered the default judgment.

This is a very short list of “breaches of fiduciary responsibility” over a short period; however, Rufus would have you believe that it is the SEC, NSS, DTCC, Transfer Agent, and Shareholder Committee’s fault.


 
Posted by Spookyswife on :
 
portman - any chance we could see something like an update on the shareholder committee? Or maybe even confirmation that you are in fact the new Chairman as most people believe?

Lots of people tired of sitting in the dark lately, which was part of the reason the SHC was formed was it not?

BTW, this is Spooky, I just happen to be on my wife's system today.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Has anyone called the law office and confirm they are working with CSHD? Also has anyone DD the law firm, and see how many presitigious cases they have worked on?
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Thanks for the updates, you guys are the best! I'm off to the drug store to pick up 4 Rx's for sick kids. I'll check back in tomorrow.
 
Posted by Spooky on :
 
Hey, look what I found, an upload of SPR's interview from last night...


http://www.filefactory.com/file/eb2625/
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
I'm not sure if you guys have torn these guys apart yet, but it they look pretty good to me:

http://www.fieldshowell.com/
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
So much could be said.. [Roll Eyes]
but? 'tis the season so I shall refrain [Smile]
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Im confused. I was just searching around looking for anything that sticks out and i came across that new place PurlGurl hangs out. I decided to read a few things and I got this cold lonely feeling.

Are there really people out there that find enjoyment in spending countless hours investigating and posting about stocks they DONT WANT? I guess I have some guesses at what types of personality those people but in general they just seem very lonely.

Its a myth to me


 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
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Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Made me laugh!!!

'Maybe your company has been too quiet, too long'. [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I posed this question last night...another we don't have an answer to...

What does the SEC consider "proof" beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing fraudulent has occured? How can we obtain said "proof" and make them happy?

No one has ever answered these questions...and I'm dying to know the answer...


Maybe the SEC will be happy when the shorts have covered. Rufus alluded on SPR to the fact that they were screaming FRAUD even if he pulled the bonds. Even with an attorney they could run this investigation as long as they see fit. IMHO
Yeah, because everyone knows the friggin' SEC is in league with those evil shorters ... [Roll Eyes]

Serious question for this group of speculators:

Do you all actually believe that the only problems this company has are the "shorters" and the evil SEC?
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Rufus didn’t need a PR firm; he needed Microsoft Word with spell check enabled, a Priest, a psychologist, and a soul – not necessarily in that order. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
Made me laugh!!!

'Maybe your company has been too quiet, too long'. [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]


 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I posed this question last night...another we don't have an answer to...

What does the SEC consider "proof" beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing fraudulent has occured? How can we obtain said "proof" and make them happy?

No one has ever answered these questions...and I'm dying to know the answer...


Maybe the SEC will be happy when the shorts have covered. Rufus alluded on SPR to the fact that they were screaming FRAUD even if he pulled the bonds. Even with an attorney they could run this investigation as long as they see fit. IMHO
Yeah, because everyone knows the friggin' SEC is in league with those evil shorters ... [Roll Eyes]

Serious question for this group of speculators:

Do you all actually believe that the only problems this company has are the "shorters" and the evil SEC?

Kevin, sooo gooood to see you!!!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
quote:
Originally posted by Fredgrasshopper:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I posed this question last night...another we don't have an answer to...

What does the SEC consider "proof" beyond a shadow of a doubt that nothing fraudulent has occured? How can we obtain said "proof" and make them happy?

No one has ever answered these questions...and I'm dying to know the answer...


Maybe the SEC will be happy when the shorts have covered. Rufus alluded on SPR to the fact that they were screaming FRAUD even if he pulled the bonds. Even with an attorney they could run this investigation as long as they see fit. IMHO
Yeah, because everyone knows the friggin' SEC is in league with those evil shorters ... [Roll Eyes]

Serious question for this group of speculators:

Do you all actually believe that the only problems this company has are the "shorters" and the evil SEC?

Kevin, sooo gooood to see you!!!
Are you going to answer my question?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Yeah, because everyone knows the friggin' SEC is in league with those evil shorters ... [Roll Eyes]

Serious question for this group of speculators:

Do you all actually believe that the only problems this company has are the "shorters" and the evil SEC?

Not the ONLY things...BUT? A portion...
AND? If you had really followed this from the begining? You would understand...
this has been a great learning stock...even seasoned traders have learned a thing or 2...

The "play" is pretty much over...so the interest in that for you is not there...BUT? you may find it interesting to go back to the original merger agreement...and "read" what has happened and all that transpired...
quite a story...quite alot of information to be read and learned...IMO [Smile]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
10-

It sounds to me as if many of you were trying to make a fundamentals-based, long-term play, in a company who's leading characters (always the most important "fundamenta") were a bit shady, at best. While it's a learning experience for sure, I'm not certain how much I would benefit. I've communicated the specifics of my concerns with the technical apsects of this stock privately with a few different people. As that's basically ALL I trade on (execution of 5-20 day plays), I'm not certain how much I could learn for my system by studying this stock further. However, if you have links handy, please post them, as I have some free time tonight, and I never mind learning something new.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Update:

Shareholder Update - December 1, 2006

Dear Shareholders,

I will admit to being quite surprised at being asked to serve in this capacity. I would like to again thank James for his tireless and consistent effort to begin this process. He has worked in the best interest of every shareholder. Please be sure to let him know when you see him around.

I am appreciative to those who believe I can help the organization achieve it's mandate to represent shareholder interests. There is a great deal to accomplish in a very short time. As the weeks go by I intend to keep shareholders informed via this website. Please check back often to see what is new. It is my hope that in about a week or so we can email all registered shareholders the confirmation email and allow them access to their account to update and validate their information.

All appointed members of this committee are temporary. It is my goal in the next few months to implement the required infrastructure that will permit an organized nomination and voting process for the representatives of the Shareholder Executive Board. Additionally, I would like to see the ability to vote on motions that the shareholders may want to have the Executive Board place as a request to the company.

Please have the courtesy to be patient with us through this process. The people here are working on their own time free of charge to the committee. There are many people beyond me working to get this off the ground and they have already and will continue to put in countless and often thankless hours.

I would like to say a few things about what the committee will and will not be as we move forward.

The Shareholder Committee is a means for minority shareholders to gain better and easier access to the company.

As a member of the Shareholder Committee you do not proxy or otherwise give up your rights to vote your stock to the Executive Board of the Shareholder Committee. All privileges afforded to your shares remain in your control at all times.

The Shareholder Committee is not a means to get inside information about the company that other shareholders do not have.

The Shareholder Committee will help shareholders resolving stock issues with the company.

The Shareholder Committee will not run the company.

The Shareholder Committee does not share or otherwise distribute member information.

This list can and will change based on the needs of the member shareholders.

I would like to extend my thanks to those people who are supporting not only me but the very concept of this committee. This committee has no greater mandate than to address concerns of the minority shareholders and to facilitate communicating those concerns to the company.

Sincerely,

Mark Porterfield

Chairman CSHD Shareholder Committee
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
BTW, in my opinion, the SEC isn't part of the problem at all. Rather, they're like the old-time canaries in the mineshaft. They're only there to alert people that something's HORRIBLY wrong with a stock, and that would certainly seem to be the case with this one.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Mark -

Thanks for taking time to provide everyone an update. I can tell you put a lot of thought into your update and we look forward to hearing more from you.

Thanks again!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Great update Mark... I like the start.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
So, did you guys ever figure out whether "Portman" and "Porterfield" are the same person?
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
good job on where you are headed with the shareholder's committee portman.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Okay, so I'll take that as a yes to my question about Portman.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
yes it is kevin. portman is a pretty good guy from what i've seen on the boards.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
VERY GOOD GUY! [Smile]
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
yes it is kevin. portman is a pretty good guy from what i've seen on the boards.


 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
ok very good guy. a good pick imho for an extermely hard job. he seems to be a straight shooter too.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LOL Kevin...
I was attempting a "quick" flip on FHAL a few months ago...
made great money...
Decided to stay in to watch the show... [Smile]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Ah, I see. Strange that--if I remember right--you seemed to be one who was attacking me for being, shall we say, "less than positive" on this stock. I don't have a real rooting interest, one way or the other, except that I like to see people make money in the markets, and this stock is a bit <cough, cough> past it's prime, you might say.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
BTW, I agree about Portman. We've discussed the technicals of this stock privately, and he seems to have his head screwed on straight, which is more than can be said about guys like Rufus.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Not wanting to start the cycle over...but? IMO...you were "harsh" a few times when you came in the thread a couple of weeks or so back...
BUT? Let's leave that in the past...
keep the criticism with the stock and not the posters or their interests...and all stays good IMO... [Big Grin]
So...the past is in the past...always move forward!

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Ah, I see. Strange that--if I remember right--you seemed to be one who was attacking me for being, shall we say, "less than positive" on this stock. I don't have a real rooting interest, one way or the other, except that I like to see people make money in the markets, and this stock is a bit <cough, cough> past it's prime, you might say.


 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Not wanting to start the cycle over...but? IMO...you were "harsh" a few times when you came in the thread a couple of weeks or so back...
BUT? Let's leave that in the past...
keep the criticism with the stock and not the posters or their interests...and all stays good IMO... [Big Grin]
So...the past is in the past...always move forward!

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Ah, I see. Strange that--if I remember right--you seemed to be one who was attacking me for being, shall we say, "less than positive" on this stock. I don't have a real rooting interest, one way or the other, except that I like to see people make money in the markets, and this stock is a bit <cough, cough> past it's prime, you might say.


..many stocks around here are past their prime, I 'm sure we could all name a few.. thats par for coarse.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Portman is very very tired...he is going to bed...thanks folks...It will not be easy...let's hope we are successful.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
10-

Not trying to reraise old issues, but when I came into the thread, I attacked only the aspects of the STOCK that I saw that were pointing to a classic pump-and-dump. I was attacked very harshly, and a thread I started was even spammed by the CSHD folks that took it personally. In that thread--unfortunately--I responded to attacks with a few of my own, that could have been perceived as personal. When a person is attacked, sometimes they strike back, but that's no excuse. I shouldn't have returned fire. The offending posts were removed very quickly, as a moderator had been following the exchange, and recognized them as spam, but you can't "unring the bell" as they say. I was left with a VERY bad taste of some of the "crowd." I'm sure MANY in CSHD aren't like that, but a majority that first day or two were, and so there were some exchanges. I tried to never get personal, and if I failed, I apologize. Trading isn't personal with me. These stocks aren't my friends, they're tools to be used in a task: making money. As such, if someone has legitimate beefs about my picks, I never take them personally. I hope the CSHD crowd will do the same for those who aren't "longs" in their stock.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Portman is very very tired...he is going to bed...thanks folks...It will not be easy...let's hope we are successful.

Has Portman himself ever confirmed--or denied for that matter--his status as Porterfield?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
i bet even I could do a better job than Rufus...all it takes is money...id get the lawyer have him working for me right away, be setting up the nasdaq mm team and paperwork etc....then id visit rufus's ranch and smack him up a little bit, push him around and stuff...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 

 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
maybe you could rent a bus and fill it with homeless people and drive them up to the ranch on Christmas and knock on the door and then take off. Tell everyone that Rufus invited them over for dinner.lol...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dinner42:
maybe you could rent a bus and fill it with homeless people and drive them up to the ranch on Christmas and knock on the door and then take off. Tell everyone that Rufus invited them over for dinner.lol...

That's funny- or you could beep the bus' horn & yell out the window (to Rufus) "These are the shareholders that lost their grocery money on CSHD..They heard your having a BBQ..." as you drop them off... [Cool]

Gotta have a sense of humor with this... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Sorry...Keep screwing up...
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
I'm not sure if you guys have torn these guys apart yet, but it they look pretty good to me:

http://www.fieldshowell.com/

are these the right guys for us or for the company, they seem mainly to have experties in defending companies against law suits with an emphasis on class actions! including advising there clients on how to take steps to avoid class action litigation! ( alana black? SEC lawyer mentioned the SEC was preparing a law suit? )( i dont think the SEC initiates class actions do they?) looks like the company may be looking to cover THIER azz against a possible class action by share holders! check the partners creds. thats what they are about! are there not law firms out there who specialize in SEC litigation? I just took a quick glance, not happy! ( maybe this associate -Lynn Concha )
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
I'm not sure if you guys have torn these guys apart yet, but it they look pretty good to me:

http://www.fieldshowell.com/

are these the right guys for us or for the company, they seem mainly to have experties in defending companies against law suits with an emphasis on class actions! including advising there clients on how to take steps to avoid class action litigation! ( alana black? SEC lawyer mentioned the SEC was preparing a law suit? )( i dont think the SEC initiates class actions do they?) looks like the company may be looking to cover THIER azz against a possible class action by share holders! check the partners creds. thats what they are about! are there not law firms out there who specialize in SEC litigation? I just took a quick glance, not happy! ( maybe this associate -Lynn Concha )
good question...plus, the PR does not mention retaining legal counsel, right? Something more vague like "has entered an agreement" or something to that effect...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
Posted by: mysterymeat
In reply to: None Date:12/1/2006 8:16:19 PM
Post #of 138549

Looking at the Funding Agreement on file at GSCCCA Book 2106 Page 16, it would appear that CSHD only holds 19 of the 500,000 bonds/notes issued for the $500 mil Global Bond ISIN Code US922646AT10. They hold series numbers A-989/08/01 through A-989/08/19.
What's the face value of these 19 bonds/notes? The following links just might provide the answer.
See lower left hand corner of:
http://eve.bradynet.com/cgi-bin/cyberexchange?ticker=reve13625081518&look=ven

http://www.collegestock.com/uploadedimages/thebond.pdf



COmments anyone?
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Madmoney, I asked the very same question on this thread first thing this morning. No one responded.

Also, am I the only one, but does all the letters and PR coming from the company and SHC read like the same person wrote them?

What does this mean: The Shareholder Committee is a means for minority shareholders to gain better and easier access to the company.

How?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
the second is iamges of the bond...and how much certain companies own...conversion isnt all there...but i dont feel like thinking so im just gonna make a wild speculative assumption...theres over 50,000 of the 500,000 that we DONT own...imagine we own the other 450,000 =)
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
I will admit to being quite surprised at being asked to serve in this capacity. I would like to again thank James for his tireless and consistent effort to begin this process. He has worked in the best interest of every shareholder. Please be sure to let him know when you see him around.
--------------------------------------------
Question: Huh? How would I even know James Gee if I saw him? I don't even know Mark Porterfield? How do we contact the SHC? What are the names of the people on the SHC? Is it a secret society?
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
I am appreciative to those who believe I can help the organization achieve it's mandate to represent shareholder interests. There is a great deal to accomplish in a very short time. As the weeks go by I intend to keep shareholders informed via this website. Please check back often to see what is new. It is my hope that in about a week or so we can email all registered shareholders the confirmation email and allow them access to their account to update and validate their information.
-------------------------------------------
Question: Why shold shareholders have to check chatrooms or posting boards to find out information on the company? How do you plan on getting shareholders' email addresses?
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
I guess if no one else thinks this is bull, I'm going to bed. Good night.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Why are some people being so hard on the SHC???

I don't get it.... They are just like you & me...they are shareholders putting their OWN time into stablizing & creating this commitee for YOU & ME.... they have money in this just like us.....It is AMAZING to me that people's anger is toward the SHC & not the person whose fault it is why we are in this situation- whether it be the Rufus, Alana, the shorts, Timothy Miles, whoever you want to put the blame on.... but bashing the shareholder's comittee for dedicating time on this, time that they probably would much rather spend with their families, I'm sure, is beyond me....

I have long term stock in another company & I wouldn't know that Chairman of the SHC if he walked by me either...but if I discovered it was him sitting next to me I'd thank him for lookin' out for me as a fellow shareholder.....

Guys, just think about things....think...step back...that's what I've been doing and things are getting clearer.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I am appreciative to those who believe I can help the organization achieve it's mandate to represent shareholder interests. There is a great deal to accomplish in a very short time. As the weeks go by I intend to keep shareholders informed via this website. Please check back often to see what is new. It is my hope that in about a week or so we can email all registered shareholders the confirmation email and allow them access to their account to update and validate their information.
-------------------------------------------
Question: Why shold shareholders have to check chatrooms or posting boards to find out information on the company? How do you plan on getting shareholders' email addresses?

He didn't mean THIS website, this letter was posted here from the SHAREHOLDER COMMITEE WEBSITE....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I am appreciative to those who believe I can help the organization achieve it's mandate to represent shareholder interests. There is a great deal to accomplish in a very short time. As the weeks go by I intend to keep shareholders informed via this website. Please check back often to see what is new. It is my hope that in about a week or so we can email all registered shareholders the confirmation email and allow them access to their account to update and validate their information.
-------------------------------------------
Question: Why shold shareholders have to check chatrooms or posting boards to find out information on the company? How do you plan on getting shareholders' email addresses?

ANSWER: When you register on the site you give your email address- that's how they get it....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
WV1973- Just curious- If you were the new Chairman- (just play along) How would you have written the letter?...

... Maybe you can write the next update for him, [Big Grin] I'm sure that would save him some valuable time.....& hopefully it wouldn't be picked apart by people on those wicked message boards....
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Jenna, you are missing my point. It is not bashing. Someone please answer my questions that I posted. They are legitimate questions that as a stockholder has a right to know if the SHC has anything to do with the company.

How many are on the committee? Who are they -- names? How do they meet -- face-to-face, internet, phone?

I'm not hard on them. I just don't agree with all the secrecy.
 
Posted by dlab on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I am appreciative to those who believe I can help the organization achieve it's mandate to represent shareholder interests. There is a great deal to accomplish in a very short time. As the weeks go by I intend to keep shareholders informed via this website. Please check back often to see what is new. It is my hope that in about a week or so we can email all registered shareholders the confirmation email and allow them access to their account to update and validate their information.
-------------------------------------------
Question: Why shold shareholders have to check chatrooms or posting boards to find out information on the company? How do you plan on getting shareholders' email addresses?

That was from the SHC website and if you didn't register you won't receive an E-mail
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Well, I believe that info maybe available - we just have to find out how & where to find it....perhaps I will work on that...we do have the right to see transcripts I believe...I will find out...may not have an answer 'til Monday but good question...perhaps I misunderstood...

I have heard in the past that there are over 800 on the commitee - I signed up in the past but I don't know if they are restructuring it or what...I think we need to just keep checking the website for updates....
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
The SHC has been together for what 2, 3, 4 weeks? Do they work directly with management? If so, is it too much to expect for them to know and tell us if the bonds are legit; if the Duestche Bank contract is legit; or any other pertinent information?
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Thanks for the info on registering and email. That clears that up, but who has access to that -- all 800 committee members? 'Cause I get too many spams now -- Johns writes; jennifer writes; etc. touting every penny stock imaginable.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
WV- I think those are also good questions....but In my opinion the new Chairman just took over last night perhaps we should give him a few more days to get organized....or just a thought perhaps he & the committee are waiting for those answer right now who knows- there are many questions left to be answered.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Thanks for the info on registering and email. That clears that up, but who has access to that -- all 800 committee members?

Who has access to what???
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
My email address.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I don't think all of those people have access to your email- I think just the person who mans the site perhaps....

Honestly, I didn't get spam after I signed up but I DID get spam right after I signed up for HSM....so becareful with that one....
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Jenna
Member


Member Rated:
posted December 02, 2006 00:28
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WV- I think those are also good questions....but In my opinion the new Chairman just took over last night perhaps we should give him a few more days to get organized....or just a thought perhaps he & the committee are waiting for those answer right now who knows- there are many questions left to be answered.....
-----------------------------------------
Well, Jenna, since the company changes CEOs as often as we change underwear -- that could be a lng time. They need to change the title to this thread to CSHD appoints a new CEO --- AGAIN. lol
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Looks like it just you & me wv - & I'm going to bed- I hope I helped answer some questions...good night WV- have a great weekend....
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Night, you too.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Jenna
Member


Member Rated:
posted December 02, 2006 00:28
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WV- I think those are also good questions....but In my opinion the new Chairman just took over last night perhaps we should give him a few more days to get organized....or just a thought perhaps he & the committee are waiting for those answer right now who knows- there are many questions left to be answered.....
-----------------------------------------
Well, Jenna, since the company changes CEOs as often as we change underwear -- that could be a lng time. They need to change the title to this thread to CSHD appoints a new CEO --- AGAIN. lol

TRUE....Hopefully somehow this all works out- I would love to hear a little more about the 6:1 soon....could put our money back in our pockets....
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
http://www.fieldshowell.com/attorneys_howell.html
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
I'm not sure if you guys have torn these guys apart yet, but it they look pretty good to me:

http://www.fieldshowell.com/

are these the right guys for us or for the company, they seem mainly to have experties in defending companies against law suits with an emphasis on class actions! including advising there clients on how to take steps to avoid class action litigation! ( alana black? SEC lawyer mentioned the SEC was preparing a law suit? )( i dont think the SEC initiates class actions do they?) looks like the company may be looking to cover THIER azz against a possible class action by share holders! check the partners creds. thats what they are about! are there not law firms out there who specialize in SEC litigation? I just took a quick glance, not happy! ( maybe this associate -Lynn Concha )
good question...plus, the PR does not mention retaining legal counsel, right? Something more vague like "has entered an agreement" or something to that effect...
maybe the SHC was set up by RPH as a way of heading off a class action law suit by minority shareholders, now they can argue in court ( if it comes to that ) that MSH`s were kept in the loop by management and were able to give suggestions to the company witch the company acted on thereby negating any arguement that the company ignored MSH conerns for thier investment and managments failures reguarding the execution of the companies buisness plan, MSH`s now appear to have direct access to management. again, I hope the SHC and thier leaders have retained competent leagle council. ( if they are being unwittingly manipulated by the company they will want and need leagle assistance )
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
the second is iamges of the bond...and how much certain companies own...conversion isnt all there...but i dont feel like thinking so im just gonna make a wild speculative assumption...theres over 50,000 of the 500,000 that we DONT own...imagine we own the other 450,000 =)

This issue is one of understanding how bonds work. I am not a bond trader so I will not pretend to be an expert. However, from my own research I have discovered there are many layers of a bond issuance, coupons being the top and most public layer.

It appears that the information you found represents those who have purchased rights to fixed interest rate payments. "Owning" a bond might take on several definitions depending on which layer you are speaking of. If I were an underwriter, I might say that I "own" the bonds because technically I am responsible for selling pieces/coupons to investors.

Even though I do not think this information proves or disproves anything, it does illustrate one of the things I think might be hurting Rufus with the SEC. I believe he used the term "own" to mean something relative to what CSHD is doing and the SEC/public is trying to apply the definition of ownership more commonly talked about - coupon ownership.

We'll see.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
http://www.cobbstatecourtclerk.com/collins.htm

CIVIL MOTIONS CALENDAR


December 4, 2006 9:00 A.M.


HONORABLE JUDGE BEVERLY COLLINS


COURTROOM 3C, 3RD FLOOR


COBB STATE COURT BUILDING


FOR INQUIRIES, PLEASE CALL (770) 5288001


[ 26 ] 06-A-4076 SUSAN JOSEPH DOUGLAS LEON BROOKS

VS

PAUL R HARRIS AND MAURICE BENNETT


BEN STANLEY
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
http://www.cobbstatecourtclerk.com/collins.htm

CIVIL MOTIONS CALENDAR


December 4, 2006 9:00 A.M.


HONORABLE JUDGE BEVERLY COLLINS


COURTROOM 3C, 3RD FLOOR


COBB STATE COURT BUILDING


FOR INQUIRIES, PLEASE CALL (770) 5288001


[ 26 ] 06-A-4076 SUSAN JOSEPH DOUGLAS LEON BROOKS

VS

PAUL R HARRIS AND MAURICE BENNETT


BEN STANLEY

Well it doesnt say vs CSHD.... sooooo
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Susan Joseph, BBAN related...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Susan Joseph and Atty Douglas Leon Brooks:

The firm of Douglas L. Brooks, P.C., a Martindale-Hubbell AV © rated law firm, practices in the areas of Commercial Litigation, Collections, Creditors' Rights, Real and Personal Property Foreclosures, Business Litigation, and Dispossessory (eviction) Actions.

I see Susan Joseph was involved in the BBAN days-previous court case? What is the new court date for Monday?

Susan Joseph v. EDTV


This suit was filed by Susan Joseph, a former contract consultant for alleged
back commissions and stock. The time period involved was May 2002 to
approximately November 2002. As of June 30, 2005, the case was settled for
$45,000 of which the Company has paid in full.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
stocktrader-

Just trying to get a grasp on RPH and figure out what the deal is. A lot of speculation out there.....some pro RPH and some Anti-RPH.

Seems odd to me to think of him as the mastermind behind this master plan and meanwhile is being sued on Monday at 9am??????? With Ben Stanley??

I see Susan Joseph is from the BBAN days- just trying to figure out whats with the court date on Monday if it was settled awhile back with the company??
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
stocktrader-

Just trying to get a grasp on RPH and figure out what the deal is. A lot of speculation out there.....some pro RPH and some Anti-RPH.

Seems odd to me to think of him as the mastermind behind this master plan and meanwhile is being sued on Monday at 9am??????? With Ben Stanley??

I see Susan Joseph is from the BBAN days- just trying to figure out whats with the court date on Monday if it was settled awhile back with the company??

Let's be real. Rufus may have the bonds, but he seems to not be a real truthful guy. Hopefully Tut can salvage our investment.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
This RPH's lawyer? According to the docket for tomorrow it is.....unless its another Maurice Bennett practicing law in Ga

http://www.mvhlawyers.com/mvh/maurice.htm

MVH lawyer and associate MAURICE BENNETT, a graduate of Emory Law School, is a noted criminal law attorney and handles criminal law, DUI, traffic and drug offenses. Post-graduation, Bennett served as a prosecutor for the DeKalb County Solicitor Generals' office. Shortly thereafter, he began his own practice, and subsequently began to serve in an "of counsel" capacity to MVH. He has been instrumental in several high-profile criminal case trials, among them the Roswell Home Invasions and Atlanta Trashbag Murders.

Bennett thrives on the rapid pace, immense scope and mercurial evolution of the criminal law landscape. "I constantly strive to 'conquer' criminal law," says Bennett. "Law --- particularly criminal law --- is similar to technology in at least one aspect. Once you know an area of law inside and out, that area changes. Keeping abreast of those changes and staying well-versed in and on top of those changes is an exciting, motivational and inspirational challenge."

Bennett is an annual speaker at the Master in Scientific Evidence in DUI Cases Seminar, a member of the Defense of Drinking Drivers Group, the DeKalb Bar Association, the DeKalb Lawyers Association, and a sustaining member of the Georgia Association of Criminal Defense Attorneys.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
http://www.cobbstatecourtclerk.com/collins.htm

CIVIL MOTIONS CALENDAR


December 4, 2006 9:00 A.M.


HONORABLE JUDGE BEVERLY COLLINS


COURTROOM 3C, 3RD FLOOR


COBB STATE COURT BUILDING


FOR INQUIRIES, PLEASE CALL (770) 5288001


[ 26 ] 06-A-4076 SUSAN JOSEPH DOUGLAS LEON BROOKS

VS

PAUL R HARRIS AND MAURICE BENNETT


BEN STANLEY

Well it doesnt say vs CSHD.... sooooo
you beat me to it..it DOESNT say CSHD, so what happened? are we off the hook?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
That stuff about Susan Joseph is related to the BBAN issues. This has nothing to do with the SEC case or Conversion Solutions.

I suspect its just Susan Joseph wanting to get a dig in on Rufus while he is being kicked around. BBANs latest 10KSB looks a bit gloomy so maybe the timing was right for BBAN to come back after Harris and Stanley.

The BBAN filing here........

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/061130/bban.pk10ksb.html
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
NO trade- thats a totally separate case vs RPH and Ben Stanley. From the BBAN days.

The SEC default for CSHD and RPH are next on the agenda after he gets this one out of the way I guess [Eek!]

My opinion:

Rph is a part of a bigger play. A puppet as some others have been comparing him to. How this mystery unfolds.....I can't wait [Wink]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
What happened with rufus ben and bban?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
stocktrader-

Just trying to get a grasp on RPH and figure out what the deal is. A lot of speculation out there.....some pro RPH and some Anti-RPH.

Seems odd to me to think of him as the mastermind behind this master plan and meanwhile is being sued on Monday at 9am??????? With Ben Stanley??

I see Susan Joseph is from the BBAN days- just trying to figure out whats with the court date on Monday if it was settled awhile back with the company??

Let's be real. Rufus may have the bonds, but he seems to not be a real truthful guy. Hopefully Tut can salvage our investment.
I think this is the smartest thing that's been said in the past few days....
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Hi all - beautiful day of football - anytime USC is FINALLY out of the championship is a good day to me! [Big Grin]

Hope the Gators get a shot at it - they really have played some tough teams this year, but I also think Michigan deserves another shot.

Now, if only I could get the same good luck on Monday....enjoy the rest of your weekends!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Jenna you quoted Judge Judy! She cracks me up!! LOL

I LOVE Judge Judy!!!! She can see through all the BS!!!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Hi Jenna, I watch Judge Judy also.Just checking in before going to bed, saw you were here and wanted to say hello and goodnight. MOMMA
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hello Momma!!! Good night & sweet dreams...I'm going to bed too....Have a wonderful Sunday!!!!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Jenna you quoted Judge Judy! She cracks me up!! LOL

I LOVE Judge Judy!!!! She can see through all the BS!!!
Maybe the shareholders should tell the sec "stop peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining"
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Jenna you quoted Judge Judy! She cracks me up!! LOL

I LOVE Judge Judy!!!! She can see through all the BS!!!
Maybe the shareholders should tell the sec "stop peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining"
HaHa- Good One!!!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Post of the night...Listen to Jenna...she is right about 99.9% of the time. OMG...does that mean she will be CEO soon?

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Why are some people being so hard on the SHC???

I don't get it.... They are just like you & me...they are shareholders putting their OWN time into stablizing & creating this commitee for YOU & ME.... they have money in this just like us.....It is AMAZING to me that people's anger is toward the SHC & not the person whose fault it is why we are in this situation- whether it be the Rufus, Alana, the shorts, Timothy Miles, whoever you want to put the blame on.... but bashing the shareholder's comittee for dedicating time on this, time that they probably would much rather spend with their families, I'm sure, is beyond me....

I have long term stock in another company & I wouldn't know that Chairman of the SHC if he walked by me either...but if I discovered it was him sitting next to me I'd thank him for lookin' out for me as a fellow shareholder.....

Guys, just think about things....think...step back...that's what I've been doing and things are getting clearer.....


 
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
 
Jenna for Pres!!!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Crickets...I hear crickets!

OK...sleep tight all. Jenna, where are you sweetie?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I'm here but leaving soon....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anyone remember this story?- I remember it from when I was a kid.....

*************************************************
The Scorpion & the Turtle...

A scorpion, being a very poor swimmer, asked a turtle to carry him on his back across a river. "Are you mad?" exclaimed the turtle. "You'll sting me while I'm swimming and I'll drown."

"My dear turtle," laughed the scorpion, "if I were to sting you, you would drown and I would go down with you. Now where is the logic in that?"

"You're right!" cried the turtle. "Hop on!" The scorpion climbed aboard and halfway across the river gave the turtle a mighty sting. As they both sank to the bottom, the turtle resignedly said:

"Do you mind if I ask you something? You said there'd be no logic in your stinging me. Why did you do it?"

"It has nothing to do with logic," the drowning scorpion sadly replied. "It's just my character."

*************************************************
 
Posted by Firedog on :
 
Good story Jenna. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Thanks Firedog - how ironic I was just reading your post in USSE....HaHa - we aren't sure about that divi huh?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Night all.........
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Jenna you quoted Judge Judy! She cracks me up!! LOL

I LOVE Judge Judy!!!! She can see through all the BS!!!
Maybe the shareholders should tell the sec "stop peeing on my leg and telling me it's raining"
Or maybe they should say that to their crooked CEO(s) ...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
That stuff about Susan Joseph is related to the BBAN issues. This has nothing to do with the SEC case or Conversion Solutions.

I suspect its just Susan Joseph wanting to get a dig in on Rufus while he is being kicked around. BBANs latest 10KSB looks a bit gloomy so maybe the timing was right for BBAN to come back after Harris and Stanley.

The BBAN filing here........

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/061130/bban.pk10ksb.html

perhaps she has a legitimate claim?

Why assume she's groundless, merely to wanting to get a "dig in"?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
i think rufus is dumping
 
Posted by lostone on :
 
aren't his shares still restricted?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I think Rufus used proxies to dump the stock, selling all the way to the top.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I think Rufus used proxies to dump the stock, selling all the way to the top.

explain please....
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
The basic plan would be that he would have friends and associates who would "own" stock in the company, only for the purposes of dumping it on the way up. They sell into the rally, keeping some of the gains as their "commission" for giving him complete deniability about running a pump-and-dump scam. A scheme such as that is much more elaborate and involved than the above summation, and I can't prove this is what happened, but SOMEONE was selling into that rally, and making money all the way up. Circumstantial evidence would point to Rufus and/or other insiders.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
I'm sure the SEC has the power to look into this...and catch any trends which would show the perpetrators.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
It would be hard to prove, as long as RPH didn't leave any paper trail. It would explain a lot about his erratic behavior over the last few weeks, though. It's this type of scam--MUCH more than any "naked shorters"--that causes stocks like CSHD to rise and fall quickly like it did.
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
It would be hard to prove, as long as RPH didn't leave any paper trail. It would explain a lot about his erratic behavior over the last few weeks, though. It's this type of scam--MUCH more than any "naked shorters"--that causes stocks like CSHD to rise and fall quickly like it did.

WRONG!
Your lack of DD over the course of events just leaves you ill informed and looking stupid!!!
I have been looking into this company for over 6 months and so i actually have an idea about what i am talking about !!!! [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
The basic plan would be that he would have friends and associates who would "own" stock in the company, only for the purposes of dumping it on the way up. They sell into the rally, keeping some of the gains as their "commission" for giving him complete deniability about running a pump-and-dump scam. A scheme such as that is much more elaborate and involved than the above summation, and I can't prove this is what happened, but SOMEONE was selling into that rally, and making money all the way up. Circumstantial evidence would point to Rufus and/or other insiders.

So you think the folks involved in this company have this ring of friends who are willing to risk jailtime and be part of a stock scam?

Randy Mosely- been involved for years with corporations on the VP level. You think he risks his career and jailtime to make some money on the side pumping stock through his neighbor?

His neighbor risks jailtime and losing everything to make some "commissions" off the stock?

That sounds more ridiculous than anything I have heard as of yet.

We definately have our share of problems- the company has some rough seas its navigating through but thinking that the folks involved are hanging in there (yes hanging in because they could have left awhile ago) only to squeeze some more money out for the dump scheme as you indicate.

I know none of my colleagues/friends would be willing to risk prison or jailtime to buy and dump stock for me. Perhaps you have a different group of friends than I do....maybe thats why you even see that scenario as plausible.

For future reference- Don't drop the soap [Wink]
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Both theories are plausible based on the charts. The SEC will likely determine which is true.

Kevin clearly defines the isolated scope in which he is discussing this play. Bashers do not do this.

quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
It would be hard to prove, as long as RPH didn't leave any paper trail. It would explain a lot about his erratic behavior over the last few weeks, though. It's this type of scam--MUCH more than any "naked shorters"--that causes stocks like CSHD to rise and fall quickly like it did.

WRONG!
Your lack of DD over the course of events just leaves you ill informed and looking stupid!!!
I have been looking into this company for over 6 months and so i actually have an idea about what i am talking about !!!! [Mad] [Mad] [Mad]


 
Posted by portman on :
 
Folks...

It does not appear Kevin is referring to the current regime in charge.

It appears our new management is actively trying to determine all potential issues and resolve them.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
portman is it you that is the head of the shareholder's committee?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Phheeewwwww! Just finished catching up on the HSM thread- talk about 100 pages of nothing but arguing about religion, global warming, and politics!

Good morning everyone!
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
morning frank. ready for tomorrow? should be an action packed day!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Portman-

It's unfortunate that some people don't feel like ANY criticism of their stock should be allowed. And you're right as to my thoughts on the current group. While Arlitt seems to have a bit of a shady past, I think giving him the temporary benefit of the doubt is acceptable. It doesn't mean that skeptics like me are going to dive in, but people who are avowed longs on this stock (and who won't get out of it until and unless their money goes to 0) can certainly look on the firing of Rufus with excitement.

BTW, I've never heard you either confirm or deny that you are, in fact, Mark Porterfield. Are you?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
That stuff about Susan Joseph is related to the BBAN issues. This has nothing to do with the SEC case or Conversion Solutions.

I suspect its just Susan Joseph wanting to get a dig in on Rufus while he is being kicked around. BBANs latest 10KSB looks a bit gloomy so maybe the timing was right for BBAN to come back after Harris and Stanley.

The BBAN filing here........

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/061130/bban.pk10ksb.html

perhaps she has a legitimate claim?

Why assume she's groundless, merely to wanting to get a "dig in"?

Im not assuming that. BBAN let the case go at the time, maybe they felt they didnt have a leg to stand on. Now that Rufus has more heat on him maybe she feels its a good time to strike. I support Rufus still but i can admit that some of that support is blind faith. He could have been guilty then and I guess he could be guilty now but ill let the courts decide that, im lacking too much info in both matters.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
portman is it you that is the head of the shareholder's committee?

I think we can assume the answer to that is a no. There was nothing preventing Dogmando from coming out and saying who he really was so i would think that the new chairman would do the same. Otherwise we have another Tut scenario taking place....someone who wants to lead but is afraid to take off his mask.

It doesnt really matter anyway. Arltt appointed the new chairman and we dont even know for sure how Arlitt himself was brought into power yet. Until thats cleared up ill just assume our company is in limbo.

And Kevin, do you think that if Rufus or his friends and family made "bank" off of this he would still be calling into internet radio shows to speak out? It should be easy enough to determine i would think. Have Arlitt pull another NOBO list and see who "hit the road" since the last list.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
That stuff about Susan Joseph is related to the BBAN issues. This has nothing to do with the SEC case or Conversion Solutions.

I suspect its just Susan Joseph wanting to get a dig in on Rufus while he is being kicked around. BBANs latest 10KSB looks a bit gloomy so maybe the timing was right for BBAN to come back after Harris and Stanley.

The BBAN filing here........

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/061130/bban.pk10ksb.html

perhaps she has a legitimate claim?

Why assume she's groundless, merely to wanting to get a "dig in"?

Im not assuming that. BBAN let the case go at the time, maybe they felt they didnt have a leg to stand on. Now that Rufus has more heat on him maybe she feels its a good time to strike. I support Rufus still but i can admit that some of that support is blind faith. He could have been guilty then and I guess he could be guilty now but ill let the courts decide that, im lacking too much info in both matters.
as far as BBAN "not having a leg to stand on" not quite the way it went down, BBAN allowed the case to be "dismissed without predjudice" ( giving them the right to refile ) because there were no assets available AT THE TIME to pay the damages they sought!. NOW they see RPH and stanley owning stock in a company supposedly worth "billions" giving RPH and stanley assets they can now go after. IMO!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Madmoney, you are correct...i worded that incorrectly. Not that they didnt have a leg to stand on, but that it would have gotten them nothing. As you said, they had no assets.

So, what if Arlitt pulls all of Rufus and Bens stock before the civil suit? I wonder how many times BBAN can refile?
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
portman is it you that is the head of the shareholder's committee?

I think we can assume the answer to that is a no. There was nothing preventing Dogmando from coming out and saying who he really was so i would think that the new chairman would do the same. Otherwise we have another Tut scenario taking place....someone who wants to lead but is afraid to take off his mask.

It doesnt really matter anyway. Arltt appointed the new chairman and we dont even know for sure how Arlitt himself was brought into power yet. Until thats cleared up ill just assume our company is in limbo.

And Kevin, do you think that if Rufus or his friends and family made "bank" off of this he would still be calling into internet radio shows to speak out? It should be easy enough to determine i would think. Have Arlitt pull another NOBO list and see who "hit the road" since the last list.

i agree with your post completely, except that if it is not you, just say so. it is very simple. it might also be interesting to find out what connection mark porterfield, whomever he might really be, has to the main players, if any. if people want to play, no problem. just take your mask off and stand up to be counted imho.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
And Kevin, do you think that if Rufus or his friends and family made "bank" off of this he would still be calling into internet radio shows to speak out? It should be easy enough to determine i would think. Have Arlitt pull another NOBO list and see who "hit the road" since the last list.

Why wouldn't they? If they had enough of a degree of separation, why not call into radio shows to defend themselves and their stock. Perhaps their proxies still had some stock they needed to dump, and they felt that going on SPR would give it a bit of a bump (which has happened with the .15 to .30 move) and allow them to clear out all their positions. Who knows really? All I know is that where there's smoke, there's usually fire. And there's plenty of pump-and-dump smoke with this stock?
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
HSM is like the “SETI Project” - unproductive static followed by fanatics! [Eek!]


quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Phheeewwwww! Just finished catching up on the HSM thread- talk about 100 pages of nothing but arguing about religion, global warming, and politics!

Good morning everyone!


 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
good point on the proxy dumping kevin. it had to happen and all was well when the pps was high. now it is low and the fighting begins!!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I don't know that it HAD to happen, but I haven't heard a better explanation for why it actually DID happen. I'm sorry, but "naked shorters" don't explain the price fluctuations of this stock. Someone SOMEWHERE was dumping. Shorting the stock simply doesn't cause the dramatic runup, and precipitous fall that we've seen in this stock.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Great the Redskins haven't scored since the 1st quarter!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I haven't heard the SPR interview from the other night, but I remember someone talking about what Rufus said about John's 8k. Rufus said something to the effect that John did it through the TA and that Rufus was only able to get them done through the TA as well. Is this usual business? I wouldn't think the TA would be the people to put out filings for the company.

Also, has anyone been able to confirm that the default was canceled? I've seen the postings from Pacer, but it doesn't really make anything apparent. From my talks with Alana, it would seem that the default might go away now that they hired a law firm. It would also seem that the SEC lawsuit would begin progressing.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Are you all seriously still questioning this after so many have confirmed it?

I thought this was settled law already. I don't read everything here because there is just not enough time.

Just be patient enough to give me some time to get a few items worked out. There will be much more I can share about the SHC next week.

Beyond this please do not expect me to talk about the SHC here. I will ignore it mostly. The best route of communication for me is the site where everyone can see it.

quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
portman is it you that is the head of the shareholder's committee?


 
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
 
What are the best means of contacting SHC? Email address?
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by StockterDoLittle:
What are the best means of contacting SHC? Email address?

If it is something simple just PM me here.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
No one here had "confirmed" anything. It seemed that a lot of people were simply speculating that you were Porterfield, and you were neither confirming nor denying it. That's why I asked if you were the same person.

quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Are you all seriously still questioning this after so many have confirmed it?

I thought this was settled law already. I don't read everything here because there is just not enough time.

Just be patient enough to give me some time to get a few items worked out. There will be much more I can share about the SHC next week.

Beyond this please do not expect me to talk about the SHC here. I will ignore it mostly. The best route of communication for me is the site where everyone can see it.

quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
portman is it you that is the head of the shareholder's committee?



 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
The basic plan would be that he would have friends and associates who would "own" stock in the company, only for the purposes of dumping it on the way up. They sell into the rally, keeping some of the gains as their "commission" for giving him complete deniability about running a pump-and-dump scam. A scheme such as that is much more elaborate and involved than the above summation, and I can't prove this is what happened, but SOMEONE was selling into that rally, and making money all the way up. Circumstantial evidence would point to Rufus and/or other insiders.

We have to keep our minds open....something isn't adding up.... I'm sure this wouldn't be the first time this has happened- whether we want to believe it or not this could be a possibility....isn't there a way we could check old sale? Can we check sales that were happening when it went up to 3.00 & 4.00. I would be interested to see if there were large blocks being sold....

Also, Don't forget about the Berlin Exchange- I'm curious as to why if no one from CSHD authorized this- Why didn't they work on getting it off that exchange.....When Rufus & Ben found out & were on SPR - I remember them talking about it but does anyone remember exactly what they said....I don't remember...Did they say thet were going to take care of it?

Please guys- don't take offense to what I am saying - I just think it's time we start looking into things better instead of takling Rufus'or anyones words for things....

I will try to find answers to these questions I have...any help would be appreciated...
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Maybe I'm beating a dead horse, but ...

I do not know if some still have apprehension with the Shareholder Committee’s perceived “role” in the recent change of management. When it read that, the Committee “unanimously approved” of the change it certainly did NOT appear to me that their opinion was anything more than, well an opinion . The Committee might as well have issued a release that read we “unanimously approve” Dark Chocolate as the prettiest thoroughbred at Equine Solutions. Who cares! The point that seems to be lost by many, including RPH, is that the majority “VOTING” interest of CSHD, voted for the change, which they have the legal right to do.

Smoke em’ if you got em’!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
"unanimous" If you are getting that from the PR...you are out of context.

Remember two important things...

Majority Shareholders NOT the Committee voted to remove Rufus.

The Committee ONLY recommended to the Majority Shareholders unanimously.

Personally I think the SC should never have been mentioned.

BUMP
I don't think the SC should of been mentioned either.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Had a great weekend watching a good friend getting married, (for the second time).


There are a lot of key points that need remembering.

I am going to start a key point folder.

I have 30 favorited sites from following CSHD.

I have written several things down along the way but for all intensive purposes theiy are haphazard at best.

This has taught me several lessons. All of which are why we are posting here.

TO LEARN.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? the Berlin Exchange? Rufus made a big "fuss" over the shares trading there...he was stating that he was wondering who authorized them to trade...he claimed that he didn't. Why would he bring attention to that it was trading there if he was trying to "dump shares"? Doesn't seem it would be him...Was it Sabra? Mitch? Just speculating here..not saying it was or wasn't...

Milliam? the thing that I remember RPH questioning about the TA was how did John get the 6:1 shares passed through the TA? RPH said he couldn't...not as a "threshold reset"
RPH was questioning how did John get those? Did he do a dividend?
RPH was also asking how John could get an 8K passed through the TA...meaning...John shouldn't have been recognized as the CEO..RPH was questioning how John would have gotten all this done...
AGAIN...this is how I am "reading" these comments not necessarily how it is...

Portman has allot of work to do with the SHC...I most definitely would not want to be in his shoes...I believe that he will get the job done...AND? get it done the right way...

For the record...I still have concerns about John and how he "got placed as CEO"...I hope that will all be cleared up in the near future...

GLTA!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
10 you make it sound like Conversion needs the T/A permission on how to handle the share distribution, but when I talk to them they make it sound like they are waiting for instructions from Conversion on what they should do and when..
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Yes..it is my understanding that the TA is to do what the company tells them...BUT? it is also my understanding that the TA says if they "can" do it legally or not...AND? RPH seems to suggest that the TA said that he couldn't do a 6:1 threshold reset...BUT he could do a 6:1 dividend...and again 6...it's the way that I am understanding it...

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
10 you make it sound like Conversion needs the T/A permission on how to handle the share distribution, but when I talk to them they make it sound like they are waiting for instructions from Conversion on what they should do and when..


 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
hey was december 4th just a deadline for a default response? i dont rememember but besides the trial against ben and rufus is their something CONVERSION is doing with the courts? tia
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
OK, I have'nt ever picked it up from them that there was an issue so far. Maybe they don't care to mention it.


quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Yes..it is my understanding that the TA is to do what the company tells them...BUT? it is also my understanding that the TA says if they "can" do it legally or not...AND? RPH seems to suggest that the TA said that he couldn't do a 6:1 threshold reset...BUT he could do a 6:1 dividend...and again 6...it's the way that I am understanding it...

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
10 you make it sound like Conversion needs the T/A permission on how to handle the share distribution, but when I talk to them they make it sound like they are waiting for instructions from Conversion on what they should do and when..



 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
6digits..
I haven't called the TA since the new CEO PR'd that we were getting the 6:1...but when it was said before..back in October? The TA told me that they had heard talk of it...but that to their knowledge is wasn't yet authorized...what ever that meant... [Confused]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
6digits..
I haven't called the TA since the new CEO PR'd that we were getting the 6:1...but when it was said before..back in October? The TA told me that they had heard talk of it...but that to their knowledge is wasn't yet authorized...what ever that meant... [Confused]

im sure well get the 6 but not anytime soon...who cares...what are 6 shares good for if its gonna dilute the share count!! lets get the price high up first...then continue your whining for your shares..you all sound like little kids gimme gimme 6 i want six, give me 6, ive been waiting too long gimme gimme gimme...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
10 great, we'll have to see what happens, i'll take the 6 shares any way I can get them.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I don't personally see how a company could have stock that starts trading on the berlin exchange. I think it should take several checks and balances to get opened up on any market.

But....then I read this article. Kind of interesting. Has anyone ever seen the stock actually being quoted on the Berlin Exch? What was the volume?

The article actually mentions some OTC stocks that were unable to delist. Its an old article but still eye opening.


http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/Investing101/1008.html


The Berlin Connection: 250 Companies Out (And Counting)
by Mark Faulk
It's been over four months since it was first reported that over a hundred US companies had been listed on the Berlin-Bremen Stock Exchange without their permission. That number eventually grew to over 1,000 that were listed by one brokerage firm alone, Berliner Freiverkehr. Although both Berliner Freiverkehr and the Berlin-Bremen Stock Exchange have maintained their innocence throughout the entire uproar, one company after another began the process to have their stocks de-listed from the exchange, claiming that their stocks were being manipulated through the foreign exchange utilizing the arbitrage exemption, a loophole in the NASD rules that critics say allows "naked short selling" though foreign exchanges.

(For those of you who aren't familiar with the naked short selling scandal that has rocked the stock market, you might want to read "Financial Terrorism in America" at http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/Investing101/1001.html , and "The Berlin Connection" at http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/Investing101/1004.html )

Regardless of the true intentions of Berliner Freiverkehr in listing these stocks on the Berlin-Bremen Exchange, the mere fact that the vast majority of the listings occurred at the same time that a similar loophole was closed in Canada was enough of a red flag to send hundreds of American companies scurrying for the exits. In fact, The Faulking Truth recommended that very thing in "A Call To Arms: Firing the First Shots" http://www.faulkingtruth.com/Articles/Commentary/1007.html , when we provided a link to the list of the 1,000 companies that Berliner Freiverkehr had listed on the Berlin-Bremen Stock Exchange.


Over 250 Companies De-Listed (and Counting)


As of August 25, over 250 US companies that had been listed by Berliner Freiverkehr had succeeded in having their shares de-listed from the Berlin- Bremen Stock Exchange. Actually, Berliner Freiverkehr CEO Holger Timm has on more than one occasion attempted to correct the American media's use of the word "de-listing". According to Timm, "Trading foreign shares on the third-tier market segment at the Berlin or any other German exchange is not being regarded as a 'listing', therefore it is incorrect to use the term 'delisting' if a company wants to cease trading." Oddly, in the letter that Berliner Freiverkehr was sending out to companies that requested de-listing, Timm himself says "After considering the above aspects, should you still prefer your stocks not to be traded in Germany we will respect your wish and apply for delisting on the Berlin stock exchange", and uses the phrase "secondary listings on the Berlin stock exchange" when referring to US companies seeking de-listing. So are the US companies "listed" or not? It's just one of the many contradictions that remain to be sorted out in this complicated and confusing situation.

In response to inquiries from The Faulking Truth, Timm said last Wednesday that "we have been asked by 386 firms to cease trading, and by now 251 firms are no longer traded in Berlin. The remaining companies are still in the process to end it's trading or a cessation of trading is not possible because of one of the rules (of the Berlin-Bremen Stock Exchange)."
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Calm down!!

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
6digits..
I haven't called the TA since the new CEO PR'd that we were getting the 6:1...but when it was said before..back in October? The TA told me that they had heard talk of it...but that to their knowledge is wasn't yet authorized...what ever that meant... [Confused]

im sure well get the 6 but not anytime soon...who cares...what are 6 shares good for if its gonna dilute the share count!! lets get the price high up first...then continue your whining for your shares..you all sound like little kids gimme gimme 6 i want six, give me 6, ive been waiting too long gimme gimme gimme...

 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
6digits..
I haven't called the TA since the new CEO PR'd that we were getting the 6:1...but when it was said before..back in October? The TA told me that they had heard talk of it...but that to their knowledge is wasn't yet authorized...what ever that meant... [Confused]

im sure well get the 6 but not anytime soon...who cares...what are 6 shares good for if its gonna dilute the share count!! lets get the price high up first...then continue your whining for your shares..you all sound like little kids gimme gimme 6 i want six, give me 6, ive been waiting too long gimme gimme gimme...
Although I am not a proponent of bugging for my 6:1 I would rather get the shares while we are in limbo with the SEC and on the Greys.

Our PPS is stagnant and will remain until vindication or some compmany life changing event. I think the price would be far more stable if the 6:1 is done during this stale-mate.

So the mass dump-off post 6:1 has a chance to wait until the stock climbs back.

Just my 2 cents~


 -
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
does anyone think it was "odd" that Tut's posts were deleted?
SPR is talking about it...and I was wondering if SEC would have a little concern with that? I mean...when Tut posted it did seem to effect the PPS...Kinda curious...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
frank i already know u want the 6:1...your one of the people that discust me....your last statement was the worst, recieve the 6 shares "now"...that would kill us...dude crack is whack
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
frank i already know u want the 6:1...your one of the people that discust me....your last statement was the worst, recieve the 6 shares "now"...that would kill us...dude crack is whack

If you are going to post an offensive put the sentences together 1st. Perhaps in MS Outlook (it has spell check). I think you are trying to say that the PPS would suffer more at .27 cents on the greys rather than the shares coming in at say 2.00 on the OTC (post vindication). Your opinion- which you are entitled. Neither are wrong or right.

My opinion on the share price being more stagnant on the grey markets disgusts you? Did you think I said your dogs ugly or what?

I didn't think it was that drastic. Take a pill and go to sleep or something.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I disagree...I think that it we get them when it is trading at a higher amount? that is when it will drop the pps the most...give them now and people will be more apt to hold IMO...
And relax Trade...don't jump on me because I have an opinion that doesn't agree with yours... [Big Grin]
Just different views...


quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
frank i already know u want the 6:1...your one of the people that discust me....your last statement was the worst, recieve the 6 shares "now"...that would kill us...dude crack is whack


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10 said:

Jenna? the Berlin Exchange? Rufus made a big "fuss" over the shares trading there...he was stating that he was wondering who authorized them to trade...he claimed that he didn't. Why would he bring attention to that it was trading there if he was trying to "dump shares"? Doesn't seem it would be him...Was it Sabra? Mitch? Just speculating here..not saying it was or wasn't...


10 - I was NOT implying that Rufus started it at all....I was merely asking if anyone recalls what he said he was going to do about it & if he has done anything about it yet that's all? I think it's a good question.

If that was my company, (& I have owned a few businesses before so I know a little about running a company. As a matter of fact, one was a corporation). I would be ALL over trying to get that stopped especially knowing it has to be airshares, & I would be working diligently trying to find out WHO put it on the exchange.....then I'd procecute who ever it was ......

I also would like to do some DD on the Berlin exchange to see how "easy" or "hard" it is to do....because if it's "easy" to do that means anyone could have done it....perhaps Timothy Miles or someone of the like, if it's hard to do that would bring up some red flags....then I would wonder if it was someone who has been employed by Conversion....That would be interesting to know....

So I will ask again....seeing that I don't believe I have heard every single interview with Rufus & some I did not hear in their entirety, I ask, does anybody recall if Rufus stated what his plan was to do about the Berlin Exchange fiasco?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
does anyone think it was "odd" that Tut's posts were deleted?
SPR is talking about it...and I was wondering if SEC would have a little concern with that? I mean...when Tut posted it did seem to effect the PPS...Kinda curious...

I wouldn't be surprised if the SEC "suggested" it....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Jenna ~ Rufas and Ben both knew about the Berlin Exchange listing the day it happened... (They said on SPR with the naked Shorting they were looking for it.) They requested it delisted immediately, and I checked it for several weeks after and the volume was zero.

It may have actually traded for a day. I have not checked it since then... who knows maybe somone relisted CSHD. I do know that on SPR Rufas said that he and Ben did not give permission for the listing, and it was a major sign of illegal short selling.

FWIW [Big Grin]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
PM'd you Jenna-

Evening all!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Jenna ~ Rufas and Ben both knew about the Berlin Exchange listing the day it happened... (They said on SPR with the naked Shorting they were looking for it.) They requested it delisted immediately, and I checked it for several weeks after and the volume was zero.

It may have actually traded for a day. I have not checked it since then... who knows maybe somone relisted CSHD. I do know that on SPR Rufas said that he and Ben did not give permission for the listing, and it was a major sign of illegal short selling.

FWIW [Big Grin]

Yes, I remember them talking about it but I didn't understand it at the time & only caught bits of it... So, the volume was -0- a few days after that- good to know - but I thought someone said that they noticed a large amount traded just as Mike A. left I believe it was either 41,000 or something...

Sounds like the Berlin Exchange is the perfect set-up for an ignored crime - Naked Short Selling!!! BOOOOO...Yuck!!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
If I find the link I will post it.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
You ROCK Taxback.... [Cool]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
frank i already know u want the 6:1...your one of the people that discust me....your last statement was the worst, recieve the 6 shares "now"...that would kill us...dude crack is whack

If you are going to post an offensive put the sentences together 1st. Perhaps in MS Outlook (it has spell check). I think you are trying to say that the PPS would suffer more at .27 cents on the greys rather than the shares coming in at say 2.00 on the OTC (post vindication). Your opinion- which you are entitled. Neither are wrong or right.

My opinion on the share price being more stagnant on the grey markets disgusts you? Did you think I said your dogs ugly or what?

I didn't think it was that drastic. Take a pill and go to sleep or something.

if everyone gets them now...when cshd opens up at 2 or wherever it will there willa huge sell off...ratio should be given when the stock is at or above 15...that way there is strong confidence in the company and the stock price could shoot for 54 or w/e rufus babbled about

prs all the way up to 15 (give shares THEN)
THAT would incline people to hold their shares! like rufus said long ago when he was actually a great CEO...that the pr machine would be up and running...steady pr stream of speculative business transaction prs would do wonders..trust me lol
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
frank i already know u want the 6:1...your one of the people that discust me....your last statement was the worst, recieve the 6 shares "now"...that would kill us...dude crack is whack

If you are going to post an offensive put the sentences together 1st. Perhaps in MS Outlook (it has spell check). I think you are trying to say that the PPS would suffer more at .27 cents on the greys rather than the shares coming in at say 2.00 on the OTC (post vindication). Your opinion- which you are entitled. Neither are wrong or right.

My opinion on the share price being more stagnant on the grey markets disgusts you? Did you think I said your dogs ugly or what?

I didn't think it was that drastic. Take a pill and go to sleep or something.

if everyone gets them now...when cshd opens up at 2 or wherever it will there willa huge sell off...ratio should be given when the stock is at or above 15...that way there is strong confidence in the company and the stock price could shoot for 54 or w/e rufus babbled about

prs all the way up to 15 (give shares THEN)
THAT would incline people to hold their shares! like rufus said long ago when he was actually a great CEO...that the pr machine would be up and running...steady pr stream of speculative business transaction prs would do wonders..trust me lol

You think the majority is going to hold if this thing hits 15.00???????????????????

Thats over a 1.5 million for some of us! After this roller coaster you are going to see a lot more selling at 15.00 than you think!

Since the majority of the folks in this stock are in it for 7-15.00 who the heck is going to sell it at .25 cents (1.75pps roughly with the extra shares)? A lot less than the ones selling when it hits 15.00.

Personally I think we have many more issues at hand than the 6:1. My weighing in on this topic is merely to state my opinion IF the shares are to be issues.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
it wont matter bro! if its at 15 its better PERIOD. why u ask? because by that time youll have BIG FISH market movers and shakers working it....u think this will be a poor mans stock for ever? no way there will me multi milionairs buying up this gem...theyll be glad to take your shares at 15..theyll be laughing at you...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
How about worrying about getting the SEC off Conversion's back first & getting am MM first.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
It's last trade on the Berlin Exchange was Oct.24th... for 1.89

http://www.berlinstockmarket.com/quotes.php?symbols=cshd
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Provided its not the laughing stock of wall street-

If we see some sort of miracle vindication here with the bright lights of public watching we MIGHT recover.

We have far to much baggage and skeletons for this stock to become a household name blue chip.

Probably would need an SEC mural painted on the wall indicating innocence in order to get this stock away from being synonymous with chaos.

Or a merger- I take either.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Me too Frank-


Tax- thanks for the link.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
What do you think the bond owners think of this entire saga?

If I had 500mil in play (I would have said billion but I hadn't heard that billion dollar bond mentioned in awhile) and the company I had it in was being taken over by shareholders and the stock was currently sitting on the greys pending default jugement I would probably be pretty NERVOUS.

Makes you think- this is part of something bigger going on behind the scenes? A bigger play would indeed explain a lot of the craziness we have been seeing unfold here. Lots of speculation I have been seeing on Paltalk and some other stock rooms I browse regarding this bigger play.

Either way- lets get something rolling. Watching paint dry is getting old and boring!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I think somethings got to happen this week - GOT TO- whether it be good, bad or both....
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
pm jenna
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/index.asp
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
night everyone- time for ZZzzzzz busy day sitting around waiting for the cable person.

I don't get why they call it an appointment and then give you a 6hr window...thats more like "Hey I am going to stop by on Monday"

-fw
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey Frank - watch it now.... my husband is a sales guy for the cable company!!! [Razz]

They gave you a 6 hour window- Holy Shnikey's!!

Our's only gives a 2 hour window now....
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
LOL Holy Shnikeys!! What movie is that from??


 -
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
TOMMY BOY!!!!!!!!!!

Richard...Were you watching "Spank"travision?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
No one here had "confirmed" anything. It seemed that a lot of people were simply speculating that you were Porterfield, and you were neither confirming nor denying it. That's why I asked if you were the same person.

quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Are you all seriously still questioning this after so many have confirmed it?

I thought this was settled law already. I don't read everything here because there is just not enough time.

Just be patient enough to give me some time to get a few items worked out. There will be much more I can share about the SHC next week.

Beyond this please do not expect me to talk about the SHC here. I will ignore it mostly. The best route of communication for me is the site where everyone can see it.

quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
portman is it you that is the head of the shareholder's committee?



Kevin, I took Port's answer as response to the preceding question, re-opening the issue of whether the motion for default has been withdrawn. He seems to think so, to the the extent that it's common knowledge.

I disagree; however, I agree with the idea that effective counsel could make it go away.

Should be public knowledge by tomorrow afternoon, Tuesday latest, though...
 
Posted by portman on :
 
No, Tex. I was referring to me not the Default.

I do not know what the status of the default is currently.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
morning portman. today should be an interesting day. gl with your committee btw
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Another OTC victim of the Berlin Exch fiasco-

http://www.hirshfieldlaw.com/pdf/news_Berlin_Delisting_032006.pdf


Company Requests Delisting After Being Shorted on Foreign Exchange
Dallas, TX (MARKET WIRE) – 3/20/06 -- (OTCBB: RGMI) - RG America, Inc. (“RGA”), a Dallas based
Insurance Restoration Company specializing in recovery, remediation, roofing and re-construction of insurance
losses, announced today that it has succeeded in having its stock removed from trading on the Berlin Bremen
Stock Exchange. RGA never authorized the trading of its securities on the Berlin Exchange, where its shares
were being sold-short by unknown sources. The Berlin Exchange recently suspended trading of RGMI, at the
request of the Company.
“We first noticed the short-selling of our stock in the height of the 2005 Hurricane Season when we began
investigating a very sudden and sharp decline in our stock price. After contacting Peter Hirshfield of the New
York based firm, Hirshfield Law, it became clear that RGA had become another “stockgate” target. Mr.
Hirshfield successfully put a halt to any short-selling of our stock by accomplishing the delisting on the Berlin
Exchange,” commented Traci Brown, General Counsel for RGA. “We are relieved to have this settled so we
can continue moving forward. This year has been extremely productive for RGA with large growth in contracts
and revenues, and we look forward to keeping up this momentum.”
RG America continues to trade under the symbol “RGMI” in the United States on the NASDAQ (OTCBB).
Investors interested in obtaining shares of RG America should purchase their shares only from authorized
broker-dealers who will execute trades on the OTCBB and not on any foreign exchanges.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Interesting read:

STOCKGATE TODAY
An online newspaper reporting the issues of Securities Fraud

SHO me the Certificates say Overstock Insiders John and Dr. Patrick Byrne October 11, 2005
David Patch

In late June 2004 the SEC passed new regulations to address the abusive trading practices of naked shorting. The new law, dubbed Regulation SHO, intended to force the mandatory close out of all Fails to Deliver (FTD) on the markets most abused stocks. The new law going into affect January 5, 2005

Under the guidelines of Regulation SHO, any stock listing with greater than 0.5% of the shares outstanding being reported as a FTD would be listed as a threshold security . That list of companies that qualify would then be published daily by the respective markets on their web sites. Once on the list, FTD that occurred prior to the company being listed would be grandfathered from mandatory close out provisions but, all FTD that occurred after a company was listed would required an immediate buy-in after 13 days.

Under the SEC rules, Wall Street members that have created a FTD on a security that is a threshold security would be prohibited from selling future securities until that fail is cleaned up or unless they can guarantee 3-day settlement on the future trade. For Market Makers (MM), the law requires the MM to give up the book on the stock as they could no longer legally make a market in the stock as they would be prohibited from bona-fide market making from the short side.

So how well is SHO being regulated? Dr. Patrick Byrne, CEO of Overstock.com and his father and Board Member John Byrne have proof regulators and the Industry are once again ignoring responsibility.

On April 22, 2005 Overstock.com was re-listed on the threshold list after being removed for a period of only 2 weeks. Overstock.com was first listed on the threshold list on January 27, 2005.

Between August 9 and August 15, 2005 Dr. Patrick Byrne bought a total of 50,000 shares of Overstock at a cost of slightly more than $2 Million. Under the guidelines of SHO, these shares must settle by September 1, 2005 or face mandatory buy-ins. What Dr. Byrne discovered during his frequent correspondence with his broker-dealer was that these did not settle on September 1, 2005 as required.

Recent correspondence between Dr. Byrne and his Broker-Dealer has confirmed that the shares actually settled and were transferred from seller to Dr. Byrne s account on October 7, 2005. The delay between purchase and settlement provided the seller with profitable leverage as the stock s market value declined nearly $10/share for a net profit of $500,000. That is the good news. Dr. Byrne lost only $500,000 on paper to an illegal seller.

On August 29 and 30 Overstock Board Member John Byrne purchased a total of 199,900 shares of Overstock.com in the open market at a cost of over $8 Million. John s purchases representing nearly 40% of the total trading volume for those 2 trade days.

Like Dr. Byrne, John has also been tracking the delivery of these shares with his Broker-Dealer and like Dr. Byrne the transaction never occurred. In fact, it has still not yet occurred even though the mandatory buy-in date on this transaction was September 20, 2005. At this time John Byrne is down over $1 Million in stock purchase value on shares he has never received but paid for nearly 6 weeks ago. If John Byrne is down $1 Million, the person or firm that sold him the shares has profited that same $1 Million. Seller(s) profiting through the sale of non-existent [counterfeit] shares.

In the past, regulators have informed investors that they are not at a loss due to the fact that, even though the shares have not yet been transferred, you always have the right to sell your shares. The fact that their investment never sees an upside due to the manipulation is irrelevant. This does not hold true for investors like Dr. Byrne and John Byrne however as they have restrictions on selling due to their insider status. For these investors, the manipulation guarantees a loss without protection.

So where are the regulators? Where are the guys required to monitor these situations and protect the investors?

Many believe they are simply allowing Wall Street to profit at our expense. Regulators created to protect the Investors are in fact protecting the illegal acts of the Wealthy Institutions and Hedge Funds that run Wall Street and fund Congress.

In a simple sting operation orchestrated by Dr. Byrne and father John they have proven that the illegal trading continues and proven that the damages go far beyond the micro-cap companies. Dr. Byrne and his father have proven that Wall Street will seek out to destroy any company for the preferential treatment of selling clients. Between these two investors, over $10 Million of illegal securities were sold and the seller(s) profited over $1.5 Million using the leverage of naked shorting to drive stock valuations down.

Who were the seller(s) and why didn t the Byrne s own Broker-Dealer act to protect their client? Why was nobody looking out for the paying customer?

The laws on buy-ins are clear. If a FTD occurs in a threshold security that FTD must have an immediate buy-in with cost not being a factor. The SEC has admitted in the past that they are monitoring SHO yet it appears they are monitoring with their eyes closed.

How easy is it to monitor?

In the day of electronic records, the Depository Trust (DTCC) maintains a record of exactly how long a FTD is on record and what firm is delinquent on delivery. For Overstock.com, they have been on the threshold list for 120 consecutive trade days. Regulators need only review the DTCC records and review fails that are greater than 13 business days [allowable FTD period]and less than 120 business days [grandfather clause cut-in]. Every one of those fails between these time slots are in mandatory buy-in provisions. None should ever exceed 18 by law.

The father and son team have proven that SHO is not being monitored and that our investments continue to be manipulated. Overstock.com alone has nearly 19 Million shares outstanding. Those who own these shares have suffered damages of greater than $10/share as the stock continues to trade down off shares that do not exist. The total damages to Overstock investors thus exceeds $190 million not accounting for the additional shares owned above the shares registered and outstanding. This is money taken directly out of the economy.

How many others are out there like this? If you simply look at the published threshold list there are hundreds of companies and tens of millions of investors being manipulated and abused.

It is time for Congress to step in and address this issue. Companies like Overstock.com have become entrenched on the threshold security list for hundreds of days while Hedge Funds, Institutions, and criminal elements abuse our markets and abuse our countries economic future.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
From what I'm hearing about Rufus on SPR...he is basically saying CSHD can't do their business without him and Ben. How exactly can this be? I haven't seen the contracts for the bonds, but I assume they are with CSHD and not Rufus personally.

When Mike came back as CEO, he told me he had drawn on a bond. I guess that didn't actually happen. A thought I had was that Mike was having trouble drawing on the bond and put Rufus back in as CEO because he could do it. Why would Rufus be able to draw on a bond and not the current CEO?
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Good morning folks.
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
From what I'm hearing about Rufus on SPR...he is basically saying CSHD can't do their business without him and Ben. How exactly can this be? I haven't seen the contracts for the bonds, but I assume they are with CSHD and not Rufus personally.

When Mike came back as CEO, he told me he had drawn on a bond. I guess that didn't actually happen. A thought I had was that Mike was having trouble drawing on the bond and put Rufus back in as CEO because he could do it. Why would Rufus be able to draw on a bond and not the current CEO?

it may have something to do with how the contract was drafted
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
From what I'm hearing about Rufus on SPR...he is basically saying CSHD can't do their business without him and Ben. How exactly can this be? I haven't seen the contracts for the bonds, but I assume they are with CSHD and not Rufus personally.

When Mike came back as CEO, he told me he had drawn on a bond. I guess that didn't actually happen. A thought I had was that Mike was having trouble drawing on the bond and put Rufus back in as CEO because he could do it. Why would Rufus be able to draw on a bond and not the current CEO?

I am guessing knowledge of and signatory contract with Euroclear. From what I can tell, Rufus' signature and passport number may be the only way to access those bonds.

I think Mike may have pursued trying to monetize a chunk of the bond and realized the hurdles - an interesting insurance policy by Rufus if this is true that he and he alone (and maybe Ben) can pull the strings.

I keep asking myself what steps I woud have taken to prevent being thrown out if I were Rufus. This would be an obvious one.

.. In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Good morning board. OK, 8 minutes into the day and a mighty 100 shares have traded (oh, and the price went up .01 to .30). Up is up!
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
From what I'm hearing about Rufus on SPR...he is basically saying CSHD can't do their business without him and Ben. How exactly can this be? I haven't seen the contracts for the bonds, but I assume they are with CSHD and not Rufus personally.

When Mike came back as CEO, he told me he had drawn on a bond. I guess that didn't actually happen. A thought I had was that Mike was having trouble drawing on the bond and put Rufus back in as CEO because he could do it. Why would Rufus be able to draw on a bond and not the current CEO?

I am guessing knowledge of and signatory contract with Euroclear. From what I can tell, Rufus' signature and passport number may be the only way to access those bonds.

I think Mike may have pursued trying to monetize a chunk of the bond and realized the hurdles - an interesting insurance policy by Rufus if this is true that he and he alone (and maybe Ben) can pull the strings.

I keep asking myself what steps I woud have taken to prevent being thrown out if I were Rufus. This would be an obvious one.

.. In My humble Opinion

so you are basicaly saying RPH has illeagaly denied the company access to thier assets? more likely in my mind, when the BOD realized there were no bond assets ( or MUTCH MUTCH less } than RPH led them to believe they resigned to avoid being charged with fraud as RUFUS was!
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
The basic plan would be that he would have friends and associates who would "own" stock in the company, only for the purposes of dumping it on the way up. They sell into the rally, keeping some of the gains as their "commission" for giving him complete deniability about running a pump-and-dump scam. A scheme such as that is much more elaborate and involved than the above summation, and I can't prove this is what happened, but SOMEONE was selling into that rally, and making money all the way up. Circumstantial evidence would point to Rufus and/or other insiders.

Kevin ..... I don't usually agree with your opinions .... HOWEVER ..........I agree with this one. I have suspected this for quite some time (as I have suggested in PM's to some of you). Rufus has done so many unexplained things in the past that make no sense, this opinion leans in the direction of that results. I still think that we have a strong possibility that CSHD is going to be very successful, but I think we have been "used" by Rufus and ALSO Ben. All one has to do is look at the conduct of Rufus. Does a CEO, who wants his company to succeed; perform the way he has been? The answer simply is NO. ........... Let's look forward now and give John the support he needs to make this work for us and the company.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
From what I'm hearing about Rufus on SPR...he is basically saying CSHD can't do their business without him and Ben. How exactly can this be? I haven't seen the contracts for the bonds, but I assume they are with CSHD and not Rufus personally.

When Mike came back as CEO, he told me he had drawn on a bond. I guess that didn't actually happen. A thought I had was that Mike was having trouble drawing on the bond and put Rufus back in as CEO because he could do it. Why would Rufus be able to draw on a bond and not the current CEO?

I am guessing knowledge of and signatory contract with Euroclear. From what I can tell, Rufus' signature and passport number may be the only way to access those bonds.

I think Mike may have pursued trying to monetize a chunk of the bond and realized the hurdles - an interesting insurance policy by Rufus if this is true that he and he alone (and maybe Ben) can pull the strings.

I keep asking myself what steps I woud have taken to prevent being thrown out if I were Rufus. This would be an obvious one.

.. In My humble Opinion

so you are basicaly saying RPH has illeagaly denied the company access to thier assets? more likely in my mind, when the BOD realized there were no bond assets ( or MUTCH MUTCH less } than RPH led them to believe they resigned to avoid being charged with fraud as RUFUS was!
So along comes John Arlitt to take the blame for fraud? I could be wrong but it seems like that type of charge would stick to Rufus. Being as he is the one who made the claims and filings.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Aren't we supposed to have a hearing today about the default judgement for CSHD? Anyone in court?
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
From what I'm hearing about Rufus on SPR...he is basically saying CSHD can't do their business without him and Ben. How exactly can this be? I haven't seen the contracts for the bonds, but I assume they are with CSHD and not Rufus personally.

When Mike came back as CEO, he told me he had drawn on a bond. I guess that didn't actually happen. A thought I had was that Mike was having trouble drawing on the bond and put Rufus back in as CEO because he could do it. Why would Rufus be able to draw on a bond and not the current CEO?

I am guessing knowledge of and signatory contract with Euroclear. From what I can tell, Rufus' signature and passport number may be the only way to access those bonds.

I think Mike may have pursued trying to monetize a chunk of the bond and realized the hurdles - an interesting insurance policy by Rufus if this is true that he and he alone (and maybe Ben) can pull the strings.

I keep asking myself what steps I woud have taken to prevent being thrown out if I were Rufus. This would be an obvious one.

.. In My humble Opinion

so you are basicaly saying RPH has illeagaly denied the company access to thier assets? more likely in my mind, when the BOD realized there were no bond assets ( or MUTCH MUTCH less } than RPH led them to believe they resigned to avoid being charged with fraud as RUFUS was!
So along comes John Arlitt to take the blame for fraud? I could be wrong but it seems like that type of charge would stick to Rufus. Being as he is the one who made the claims and filings.
Arlitt can blame RUFUS and prior management for EVERYTHING, IF there are no or very low value bond assets he can blame RPH and his team for the deception and take steps to restructure the company or even change the buisness plan.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I'm trying to go by what makes sense now- & madmoney what you have just said, whether I WANT to believe it or not- makes sense.....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rufus said he and company thought out every step of this process while forming this company. He must have missed some important point where the SEC is concerned with his claim that the SEC is charging him with fraud whether he monetizes a bond or it just sits there.
I'll be glad when some one gets around to facts about all of this. I'm tired of just seeing a bunch of big numbers get thrown around and nobody is ever factually doing something about it. Harris says he always puts a short time frame on things, but more times than not he takes a very long time getting things done. IMO
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Aren't we supposed to have a hearing today about the default judgement for CSHD? Anyone in court?

Unless something changed, Alana Black said there was no hearing today.

From my talk with her, today held no importance for the default judgement.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Aren't we supposed to have a hearing today about the default judgement for CSHD? Anyone in court?

thats what i was asking since yesturday...
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I was trying to get back to the old thread, but can't get it to come up for me. I know there was some importance for Dec. 4th for the case - I bothered to write it on my calendar...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I was trying to get back to the old thread, but can't get it to come up for me. I know there was some importance for Dec. 4th for the case - I bothered to write it on my calendar...

yes exactly! the only thing i know for sure is today is rufus and bens trial. but i thought CSHD had some legal business as well
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
The link to the old thread is on the first page of every new thread...but here ya go
http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/2/ t/013184/p/110.html#004449


quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I was trying to get back to the old thread, but can't get it to come up for me. I know there was some importance for Dec. 4th for the case - I bothered to write it on my calendar...


 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Thanks, 10 - I tried to use the link on page 1 and couldn't get it to pop up. This one worked fine though!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Thanks, 10 - I tried to use the link on page 1 and couldn't get it to pop up. This one worked fine though!

The links on page one don't work.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
the single link that I posted? that one works...but for some reason you can not copy and paste links from a page to a page..You have to copy from the tool bar onto the post..it's really odd...

quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Thanks, 10 - I tried to use the link on page 1 and couldn't get it to pop up. This one worked fine though!

The links on page one don't work.

 
Posted by CRab on :
 
That occurs because they are to long to put on a single line automatically...it puts a space in between the break from one line to the next...gotta delete that space to make it work...

These all work...from oldest to newest...

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Makes sense...thanks Crab... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
so you are basicaly saying RPH has illeagaly denied the company access to thier assets? more likely in my mind, when the BOD realized there were no bond assets ( or MUTCH MUTCH less } than RPH led them to believe they resigned to avoid being charged with fraud as RUFUS was!
No, that was what you said. I was referring to the Euroclear account acting like a corporate bank account. There are a limited number of signatory agents to any financial account. If the majority shareholders want to dismiss those agents I hope they had a plan to transfer that authority.

Additionally, one of the criteria of having a Euroclear account is the knowledge of how to use that account. It seems that there be more to it than accessing a personal bank account.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
so you are basicaly saying RPH has illeagaly denied the company access to thier assets? more likely in my mind, when the BOD realized there were no bond assets ( or MUTCH MUTCH less } than RPH led them to believe they resigned to avoid being charged with fraud as RUFUS was!
No, that was what you said. I was referring to the Euroclear account acting like a corporate bank account. There are a limited number of signatory agents to any financial account. If the majority shareholders want to dismiss those agents I hope they had a plan to transfer that authority.

Additionally, one of the criteria of having a Euroclear account is the knowledge of how to use that account. It seems that there be more to it than accessing a personal bank account.

... In My humble Opinion

if euroclear is like a corporate bank account, the first thing the corporation would do upon fireing the CEO would be to block that person from ANY access to the companies assets and accounts to keep that person from plundering those accounts, no? IF RPH had some kind of exlusive access would he not be compelled BY LAW to relinquish such access to the company?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rufus has been acting like a bothersome horsefly lately.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Horse.... what?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Huh?
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
so you are basicaly saying RPH has illeagaly denied the company access to thier assets? more likely in my mind, when the BOD realized there were no bond assets ( or MUTCH MUTCH less } than RPH led them to believe they resigned to avoid being charged with fraud as RUFUS was!
No, that was what you said. I was referring to the Euroclear account acting like a corporate bank account. There are a limited number of signatory agents to any financial account. If the majority shareholders want to dismiss those agents I hope they had a plan to transfer that authority.

Additionally, one of the criteria of having a Euroclear account is the knowledge of how to use that account. It seems that there be more to it than accessing a personal bank account.

... In My humble Opinion

if euroclear is like a corporate bank account, the first thing the corporation would do upon fireing the CEO would be to block that person from ANY access to the companies assets and accounts to keep that person from plundering those accounts, no? IF RPH had some kind of exlusive access would he not be compelled BY LAW to relinquish such access to the company?
That is a good question. None of us knows much about how Euroclear works or how much flexibility/exclusivity can be built into contracts related to accounts. My point is that there may be more to this than we know because of the unique nature of Euroclear. Remember, this institution holds funds for some very rich and powerful people, as well as international companies and even governments. Many of these entities would want to provide themselves some protection against a coup, so to speak.

When we talk about the law compelling RPH to do something relative to Euroclear, there needs to be some sort of jurisdiction to do that. RPH might give them a number that only works for RPH. That being the case, he will have complied with local law and yet no one can touch the money.

I remember the word "irrevocable" being used by RPH and that might be the road block that the majority shareholders did not expect. I want the best for the company and us little guys. I just fear that if too many people cry out to banish Rufus there might be an unintended consequence.

FWIW, I think Rufus knows all of this and is just waiting for everyone else to figure it out - hence the relaxed radio interview on Nov 30th.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I just wish they would a) figure out who is/has to be CEO to conduct business effectively, and b) get the SEC out of the way, and c) issue the 6 shares before the price goes back up (assuming it does).

Don't mean to whine - I was just thinking about the fact that I was nervous about the stock resetting to $15 the day of my child's kindergarten orientation - IN AUGUST. Patience I have, but this has gotten stupid...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I agree SherriT. I think most here do.
No doubt the major shareholders would like to see all of this resolved also, being as they have a lot to gain. I have the impression that they want to do what ever is neccessary as fast as possible to get this stock into some kind of normal progressiver mode. I don't know about all the big guns behind this stock succeeding, I don't see the results of it. It looks to me like the company is on it's own. If anybody big exists behind this it seems more like the stuff where they have to deny your existence if you ever get busted. No record of our existence and such.

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I just wish they would a) figure out who is/has to be CEO to conduct business effectively, and b) get the SEC out of the way, and c) issue the 6 shares before the price goes back up (assuming it does).

Don't mean to whine - I was just thinking about the fact that I was nervous about the stock resetting to $15 the day of my child's kindergarten orientation - IN AUGUST. Patience I have, but this has gotten stupid...


 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I agree SherriT. I think most here do.
No doubt the major shareholders would like to see all of this resolved also, being as they have a lot to gain. I have the impression that they want to do what ever is neccessary as fast as possible to get this stock into some kind of normal progressiver mode. I don't know about all the big guns behind this stock succeeding, I don't see the results of it. It looks to me like the company is on it's own. If anybody big exists behind this it seems more like the stuff where they have to deny your existence if you ever get busted. No record of our existence and such.

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I just wish they would a) figure out who is/has to be CEO to conduct business effectively, and b) get the SEC out of the way, and c) issue the 6 shares before the price goes back up (assuming it does).

Don't mean to whine - I was just thinking about the fact that I was nervous about the stock resetting to $15 the day of my child's kindergarten orientation - IN AUGUST. Patience I have, but this has gotten stupid...


Regardless of whether you are a big player or a little fish (just call me Nemo...), I think everyone would at least like to get back to where we were before the halt, and trading on a real exchange. I hope you are right about seeing progress soon...I truly hope John is in there legally and can continue moving us forward....and hopefully Rufus is thinking about his own shares being very valuable instead of standing in the way if in fact he is the only one with "access" to the bonds...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya Rufus is my biggest concern right now. I don't want him to be suicidal and take us all with him.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
We got .11 / share.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
We got .11 / share.

[Eek!]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Where did THAT come from?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Jeese...I sure wish I knew who was trading these big groups...it sure would be telling...

I know from buying in the last few days that these large transactions are not "regular" folks...hell I couldn't get 10k shares for .20 over the current price...

My best guess? Either the T/A is moving shares back and forth for some reason or a Broker/Dealer is doing the same...I can't rationalize anything else...
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
500 at .11
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..

lame.

Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
a $55 dollar transaction??
 
Posted by BooDog on :
 
PHGI taking a stab at CSHD.

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/news.jsp?url=fis_story.asp%3Ftextpath%3DCOMTEX%5 Cmt%5C2006%5C12%5C04%5C86485406.html%26clientid%3D168%26provider%3DM2_COMMUNICAT IONS&symbol=CSHD
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
The basic plan would be that he would have friends and associates who would "own" stock in the company, only for the purposes of dumping it on the way up. They sell into the rally, keeping some of the gains as their "commission" for giving him complete deniability about running a pump-and-dump scam. A scheme such as that is much more elaborate and involved than the above summation, and I can't prove this is what happened, but SOMEONE was selling into that rally, and making money all the way up. Circumstantial evidence would point to Rufus and/or other insiders.

Kevin ..... I don't usually agree with your opinions .... HOWEVER ..........I agree with this one. I have suspected this for quite some time (as I have suggested in PM's to some of you). Rufus has done so many unexplained things in the past that make no sense, this opinion leans in the direction of that results. I still think that we have a strong possibility that CSHD is going to be very successful, but I think we have been "used" by Rufus and ALSO Ben. All one has to do is look at the conduct of Rufus. Does a CEO, who wants his company to succeed; perform the way he has been? The answer simply is NO. ........... Let's look forward now and give John the support he needs to make this work for us and the company.
A lot of the things I have posted here have been summarily dismissed by folks in the thread, because they don't want to believe it has all been a mirage. If there was "illegal naked shorting" contributing to the plunge in price of this stock, I wouldn't be surprised if even THAT was proxy-driven, allowing RPH and his cohorts to make money on the runup and the crash.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
edited to take out privelaged info [Smile]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..

lame.

Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.

Tim-

I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I just wish they would a) figure out who is/has to be CEO to conduct business effectively, and b) get the SEC out of the way, and c) issue the 6 shares before the price goes back up (assuming it does).

I fear that there isn't a CEO that can do all of this. I'm getting the feeling that Rufus would need to be CEO to work the bonds and proceed with the business, but I don't think he wants to deal with the SEC at all.

From what I'm hearing about the SPR show (I've got to listen to that!), it sounded like Rufus was ready to just let everything go down the tubes and try to fight this out in the courts. If this is true, I just don't get his thinking!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I just wish they would a) figure out who is/has to be CEO to conduct business effectively, and b) get the SEC out of the way, and c) issue the 6 shares before the price goes back up (assuming it does).

I fear that there isn't a CEO that can do all of this. I'm getting the feeling that Rufus would need to be CEO to work the bonds and proceed with the business, but I don't think he wants to deal with the SEC at all.

From what I'm hearing about the SPR show (I've got to listen to that!), it sounded like Rufus was ready to just let everything go down the tubes and try to fight this out in the courts. If this is true, I just don't get his thinking!

If you buy into the theory that he's made his money on this thing already, and that he's hidden his proxies well enough to protect himself from liability, then what would be his motivation for making a go of the company?
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Kevin,

I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..

lame.

Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.

Tim-

I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.


 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Kevin,

I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..

lame.

Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.

Tim-

I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.


there is no bid price on greys, brokers fill what and when they can, you got "lucky" with the lower price.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
He may have gotten lucky...but it's still significant because it totally disspells the rumor of having to perfectly "match" a transaction with another individual...

This also happen to me last week...my order was eventually filled but it was broken up...and averaged over different prices...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Kevin,

I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..

lame.

Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.

Tim-

I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.


there is no bid price on greys, brokers fill what and when they can, you got "lucky" with the lower price.
You made the point before I could get to it.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
He may have gotten lucky...but it totally disspells the rumor of having to perfectly "match" a transaction with another individual...

If orders perfectly match, and are prearranged, they are going to be filled. So, the "rumor" (it's not a rumor, it's true) that to guarantee a sell on a grey stock you have to perfectly match prices is not "disspelled [sic]" at all. Sometimes people DO get lucky, and a broker will happen to fill their order with a matching buy at a random level. But to GUARANTEE an order filling, you have to match order sizes/prices.
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Ok... but when you call your broker to place the order what do you tell him? I put an order in for a price... it filled lower then the price I gave them is all I meant. I just used the word bid there... wrong word I guess.


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Kevin,

I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..

lame.

Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.

Tim-

I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.


there is no bid price on greys, brokers fill what and when they can, you got "lucky" with the lower price.
You made the point before I could get to it.

 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I don't make plays in stocks that require a broker to fill the order. However, what happens, is that he happens to find someone out there offering their shares at less than you're willing to pay, so he buys them for you at that price, instead of what you were initially offering. It's just luck of the draw.

quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Ok... but when you call your broker to place the order what do you tell him? I put an order in for a price... it filled lower then the price I gave them is all I meant. I just used the word bid there... wrong word I guess.


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Kevin,

I've heard alot of people say this but I haven't seen it happen with this stock. I placed an odd number buy last week and not only did it fill it filled under the bid price.

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
LoL.. Ive had buy orders of 10,000 well over the ask, and they werent fill or kill either.. not even a partial fill on the order..

lame.

Someone comes in for 500 shares and cuts it in half.

Tim-

I think in these Grey stocks, you have to almost perfectly align a buy offer with a sell offer, which would explain your higher bids being rejected in favor of lower ones. There's lots of squirrely stuff going on with this stock right now.


there is no bid price on greys, brokers fill what and when they can, you got "lucky" with the lower price.
You made the point before I could get to it.


 
Posted by CRab on :
 
I didn't say prearranged/complementary trades wouldn't go through...it's obvious they will...I was making the point that it is not a requirement for an individual's trade...which some have questioned...

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If orders perfectly match, and are prearranged, they are going to be filled. So, the "rumor" (it's not a rumor, it's true) that to guarantee a sell on a grey stock you have to perfectly match prices is not "disspelled [sic]" at all. Sometimes people DO get lucky, and a broker will happen to fill their order with a matching buy at a random level. But to GUARANTEE an order filling, you have to match order sizes/prices.


 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
And all we're saying is that the only sure thing in the grey stocks are prearranged trades. Any other fills on the buy or sell side are pure luck.
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Kevin,

Crab and I were just pointing out that they can/do happen. Call it luck or not it still happens was our point.

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
And all we're saying is that the only sure thing in the grey stocks are prearranged trades. Any other fills on the buy or sell side are pure luck.


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Great- more ways to short:

UPDATE: SEC Proposes Abolishing Short-Sale Price Tests


(Updates in the last paragraph to note that SEC staff is considering proposals to tighten some parts of Regulation SHO.)

By Judith Burns

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- The Securities and Exchange Commission voted Monday to propose abolishing decades-old restrictions that allow short sales only when stock prices are rising. If approved in a second vote by the five-member commission, the SEC would abolish rules allowing short sales only when stock prices are moving up. The change would apply to the SEC's own rules and those set by U.S. market self-regulatory groups.

Short sellers sell borrowed shares in hopes of profiting from declining prices. Since the 1930s, the SEC has allowed short sales only when a stock price is rising, not falling, and stock markets have used their own price tests for short selling, based on the last sale or bid. An SEC experiment to temporarily lift such restrictions for some stocks found the limits aren't needed to prevent manipulation, SEC market regulation division director Erik Sirri said Monday.

Other changes to crack down on short-selling are in the works, though. Sirri said the SEC staff hopes to offer recommendations in January to amend the SEC's Regulation SHO - a broad package of rules on short-selling - by eliminating exceptions for market makers and so-called "grandfathered" securities.

-By Judith Burns, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-6692; judith.burns*dowjones.com


(END) Dow Jones Newswires
12-04-061320ET
Copyright (c) 2006 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.
 
Posted by mo-rydr on :
 
The reason things don't add up here is that our universe is out of kilter. In the normal scheme of things, the corporation (CSHD) would be the center and everything would revolve around it. (CEO, agents, assets, etc). But here, in bizarro universe, everything revolves around the assets which are in a secretive international account. And yet the assets seem to be in the control of Rufus, who used to be the center of our universe.

This leads to one question ... If Rufus does not have $200M to open the euroclear account, by who's credit or backing did he open this account? By the strength of the bonds themselves? If not, then who is Rufus answerable to?

In this universe, the SEC is a Black Hole that seeks to suck CSHD into it. We will see if we have the power to resist it, but I feel it will take some time.

These are just some thoughts and we will need some fundimental answers to set our world aright.

* Who are the Insider Majority Shareholders?
* What is the true relationship between them and Rufus?
* What is the true relationship between John, Rufus, Mike, and the IMS?
* Who or what is the "Higher Power" if there is one?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
No, Tex. I was referring to me not the Default.

I do not know what the status of the default is currently.

Thanks for clearing that up...
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Back to the Carbon Credits...I found another piece of info that could be of future interest.

Lots of money involved here if the C.C.'s are still part of CSHD. Who knows anymore.

INTERVIEW - Railroads, Oilfields Offer US Carbon Reductions

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

NEW YORK - Some of the things that make America unique, its vast distances and its aging oil fields, offer ways to reduce greenhouse gas emissions unlike those used in other countries, a top US carbon credit developer said.

The long distances that goods travel from ports in California to the U.S Midwest and East Coast offer opportunities to make shipping more efficient, reducing emissions scientists have linked to global warming, said Bill Townsend, CEO and founder of Salt Lake City-based Blue Source LLC, in an interview.

That may not make sense in smaller countries such as those in Western Europe. "Driving across some (European) countries is like driving across Iowa, it's a totally different scale," he said.

Companies that reduce heavy-emissions trucking and maximize lower-emissions rail shipping, a practice known as intermodal transport, could earn scores of credits in any future US emissions trading plan, he said.

In addition, scores of old oilfields in Texas, California and other states offer space to pump carbon dioxide below ground after capturing emissions at coal and natural gas power plants.

The European Union, to meet its limits under the Kyoto Protocol, placed greenhouse emissions limits on industrial plants and is attempting to expand that to transportation sources. It also created an EU trading system where plants that exceed their emissions limits can buy credits from companies that come in below their limits.

The United States is the world's largest polluter, but does not regulate greenhouse gas emissions. President George W. Bush pulled the United States out of the Kyoto pact in his first term. Nevertheless, some US companies have begun to develop and trade greenhouse emissions in hopes of getting credit for taking early action.

Blue Source, which describes itself as the No. 1 US developer of carbon credits, generates about 25 million tonnes of credits a year. It has sold about 15 million to 18 million tonnes and the rest are listed on three registries in hopes that they will have value if the country eventually regulates emissions, said Townsend.

Currently, the credits sell from $1.50 to $8.50 a tonne, with higher-end sales taking place in states such as California and seven Northeastern states seeking to bypass the Bush administration and create their own carbon trading platforms, he said.

Townsend said companies such as trucker J.B. Hunt Transport Services Inc., which have taken steps to make transportation more efficient, could do well in a future emissions trading system. "The more progressive transportation companies are building relationships with rail now in ways they never did before," he said.


CARBON CAPTURE

For decades, oil companies have been injecting carbon dioxide from naturally occurring sources into aging oilfields to boost output. Expanding that practice to encompass emissions from man-made sources like coal-burning power plants, could be the next step.

"That puts us at the intersection of climate change and domestic energy, which is a place we really like to be," said Townsend. Companies are planning to build more than 100 coal plants in the United States, some of which could capture carbon.

Blue Source and US private equity firm First Reserve Corp. said this fall they will target greenhouse gas investment opportunities of up to $500 million.

Townsend's company has already built, owned and designed four of the five US pipelines that transport carbon dioxide captured from energy sources to old oilfields. He said the commitment with First Reserve could increase investment in carbon pipeline infrastructure.
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
I was just wondering what it would take to feel like I have been scammed? hmmmmmmmmmm
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
Would I feel scammed if I were promised 6:1 and it never happened?
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
I was just wondering what it would take to feel like I have been scammed? hmmmmmmmmmm

You know if you've been scammed when you put more capital in your brokerage account to try & make your money back from a POS like this.....this is exactly what I have done and I am doing....GLTU.
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
Would I feel scammed if I were promised a reset value of $15.00 and it never happened?
Would I feel scammed if there were a secretive share holders committee?
Would I feel scammed if the CEO's changed every couple weeks?
Would I feel scammed if the BOD's were all fired?
Would I feel scammed if the founder appeared drunk on SPR, and didn't make sense?
Would I feel scammed if my purchase at $2.00 fell to pennies in a week?
Would I feel scammed in our Billions in assets either weren't there or untouchable?
Hmmmmmmmm wonder what it would take to feel scammed?
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
Everything will probalby turn out all right, think?
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
the BBQ was good.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
Everything will probalby turn out all right, think?

bod`s were not fired they quit! the CEO quit!! came back and was fired. and no I dont think everything will turn out allright.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!.........booooooooooooooooooooooo
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
I'm still long though.........
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Does someone need a tissue?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
Everything will probalby turn out all right, think?

No chance in Hell.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Are there any prs or 8ks to look forward to this week, or is it just a quiet week?
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
Are there any prs or 8ks to look forward to this week, or is it just a quiet week?

How 'bout a friggin MM!!! [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
I'm not holding my breath for that one, well atleast not in the very near future lol.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
Are there any prs or 8ks to look forward to this week, or is it just a quiet week?

How 'bout a friggin MM!!! [Roll Eyes]
THAT would make my day! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
Everything will probalby turn out all right, think?

No chance in Hell.
Repo OT: Sorry about Rutgers - awesome game though! I was rooting for you guys to get that BCS this year...
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
Everything will probalby turn out all right, think?

No chance in Hell.
Repo OT: Sorry about Rutgers - awesome game though! I was rooting for you guys to get that BCS this year...
Yeah, that one damn dropped pass in the endzone. Oh well, next year, we win it all!
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
Everything will probalby turn out all right, think?

No chance in Hell.
Repo OT: Sorry about Rutgers - awesome game though! I was rooting for you guys to get that BCS this year...
Yeah, that one damn dropped pass in the endzone. Oh well, next year, we win it all!
OT: I was disappointed they didn't try one more play before attempting the field goal at the end of regulation. Gut says they would have won it...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Am I being impatient or is it taking the new COE too long to get things done? CEO
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Is anyone trying to trade this?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
No not trading, but thinking about it often.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
Are there any prs or 8ks to look forward to this week, or is it just a quiet week?

How 'bout a friggin MM!!! [Roll Eyes]
lol, doubtful a 15c2-11 will be filed, given everything required, but effective intervention by legal counsel might stave off motion for default...
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
No not trading, but thinking about it often.

LMAO

Seriously though - with these fluctuations we see everyday - today has been between .11 and .30 for example - if you could get a pattern you could make nice change and no longer give a rat's patootie about 6:1...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
to da mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooN.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
How soon we forget …

It wasn’t that long ago that we listened to RPH on subpennyradio.com, shouting, “You’ve grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail”.

Once asked on SPR if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “Yes, I have several” and elaborated that his primary attorney could not attend the first SEC hearing “because the lawyer was vacationing in Italy.”

Last night when asked if he had a lawyer on retainer, he responded, “No”.

A few weeks ago, he claimed to be on the hunt for a “bulldog” of a lawyer because we were “going on the offensive”.

When asked about the possibility of returning to the market on grey sheets, he responded “no way”.

When questioned about the possibility of a default judgment being entered he said, “We’ve signed the injunction, no further response is needed – that won’t happen”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be filed on time, he answered, “absolutely”.

When asked two weeks before the 10Q due date, will the 10Q be audited, he answered, “yes it will”.

After taking back, control of the company, that same night Rufus claimed, “Our ducks are lined up” and now its time to move forward. Just two days passed, and the SEC, due to CSHD’s failure to respond, entered the default judgment.

This is a very short list of “breaches of fiduciary responsibility” over a short period; however, Rufus would have you believe that it is the SEC, NSS, DTCC, Transfer Agent, and Shareholder Committee’s fault.

Don't forget that on a recent SPR horsecrap session Rufus mentioned that he had 4 MMs that wanted to list this stock. Why are'nt they.
On another session he said that Conversion had opened a line of credit to buy back the shares if things did'nt go right.
On the last session, he said we would have to sue someone to get it.
He also said that he was going to bring down funds on a bond, then the next time he said he would be accused of fraud if he did that.
Sorry about the negativity, but I wish it was positive instead.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
to da mooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooN.

If you were within striking distance, I'd smack you for that one [Wink]

I would just like to see a .30 again or hey, let's aim high here, a .40 [Big Grin]
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
No not trading, but thinking about it often.

LMAO

Seriously though - with these fluctuations we see everyday - today has been between .11 and .30 for example - if you could get a pattern you could make nice change and no longer give a rat's patootie about 6:1...

two trades at .30 and three at .11 - the true range is between .22 and .27 on low volume, if you timed it PERFECT and actualy got filled on the buy and sell side for your price you might make 3 or 400,with trades comming sometimes an hour apart, or you might get stuck with it, is it worth the risk?
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
No not trading, but thinking about it often.

LMAO

Seriously though - with these fluctuations we see everyday - today has been between .11 and .30 for example - if you could get a pattern you could make nice change and no longer give a rat's patootie about 6:1...

two trades at .30 and three at .11 - the true range is between .22 and .27 on low volume, if you timed it PERFECT and actualy got filled on the buy and sell side for your price you might make 3 or 400,with trades comming sometimes an hour apart, or you might get stuck with it, is it worth the risk?
No, I just wondered if anyone was trying it. I wish I could hit the .30 for a few of my shares...

(Edit: If I were going to "play" with a grey, it would be AMWS - 4900% this afternoon...)
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Monday, December 04, 2006

SEC panel backs new short-covering rules


By Robert Schroeder, MarketWatch
Last Update: 1:37 PM ET Dec 4, 2006


WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- U.S. securities regulators voted Monday to back new rules that aim to stamp out manipulation related to short selling that occurs during stock offerings.
'The purpose of this amendment is, once and for all, to put an end to the progression of schemes that have been engineered to camouflage covering activity that's already outlawed or supposed to be outlawed.'
— Christopher Cox, SEC
The five members of the Securities and Exchange Commission voted unanimously to prohibit investors who have sold stocks short during a restricted period before a public offering from buying securities in that offering.

The proposal aims to outlaw "covering" of short sales with offering proceeds. "The purpose of this amendment is, once and for all, to put an end to the progression of schemes that have been engineered to camouflage covering activity that's already outlawed or supposed to be outlawed," SEC Chairman Christopher Cox said.

The SEC has brought several enforcement actions in connection with short sales and public offerings. Despite existing rules, "it appears that abuses continue in this area," said SEC Commissioner Annette Nazareth.

In short sales, which aim to reap profit from falling stock prices, investors borrow a security or futures contract from a broker and sell it with the agreement it will be bought back later and returned to the broker.

Commissioners emphasized that they are not attempting to prohibit legitimate short sales. However, Commissioner Paul Atkins said the proposed rule could affect legitimate trading by being a "trap for the unwary."

The proposals will be open for public comment and voted on for a final time at a future SEC meeting.

By unanimous vote, the five members of the Securities and Exchange Commission also approved a 4% increase for the fiscal 2007 budget of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board. Most of the board's $136.4 million budget will go toward auditors' salaries and related expenses. The board oversees more than 1,700 public accounting firms, including about 750 firms based outside the U.S.

Regulators were originally scheduled to vote on whether to propose two items that would have tightened hedge-fund rules. However, the items could now be taken up as early as the agency's Dec. 13 meeting.

Aimed at combating fraud, the rule proposals would make it more expensive to buy into hedge funds and strengthen rules about prohibiting advisers of pooled investment vehicles from making false or misleading statements to their investors.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/sec-panel-backs-new-short-covering/story.a spx?guid=%7BFBB4F284%2D98EF%2D4887%2DB274%2D2096F79999E5%7D
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
SherriT
I hear ya! they can have mine at .80 doubt it ever gets that high again!!
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Is anyone trying to trade this?

I'm still waiting for .20 to kick in my buy. No Luck but it's at .21 now. Common! %#**it [Eek!]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Is anyone trying to trade this?

I'm still waiting for .20 to kick in my buy. No Luck but it's at .21 now. Common! %#**it [Eek!]
.30 is the magic number, my friend [Wink]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Is anyone trying to trade this?

I'm still waiting for .20 to kick in my buy. No Luck but it's at .21 now. Common! %#**it [Eek!]
.30 is the magic number, my friend [Wink]
Tell that to the clown that passed my .20 and bought at .11 today. Arghh!
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Supposedly it is ordered normally like it would if bid and ask were in use, and then whomever is on top gets the buy or sell - at least, that is what I have been told.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I think we have some other bigger things going on in the background.

Do you really think that someone would issue billions to a cowboy penny stock CEO? He is most likely part of something bigger than just an OTC company.

Whoever fronted the bond deal- do you think they would be going crazy seeing a shareholders overthrow the company they have the assets parked in? These assets are worth a lot of money! Thinking that mgmt is a 3-ring circus is enough to make anyone uneasy...yet they don't say anything???

Some might suggest the inmates are running the asylum here. Nothing against joe blow the shareholder (I am one myself) but there are reasons I am not the CEO of a company. Its not my job....these folks that happen to be OTC investors or message board posters are instantly credible folks to make decisions for a corporation? For all I know the one with the most posts could be some kid flippin burgers part time and posting on message boards at night.

You have a Shareholder Committee that behind closed doors compared share counts and determined they had enough to fire the CEO? If its plain illegal (as RPH put it) how was he ousted?? why would he allow it to happen? Did they sneak in the office and change the locks on the door? How do you illegally take over a company??

I would think it would take a lot more than an overnight ousting to take over a company. To much red tape you would think (Unless the one being ousted was in on the plan somehow).

This leads me to my opinion- this thing is much bigger than RPH and the SHC. The judge didn't shut down the company for some reason- bonds are real it seems...or else this would have been over at the end of october.

Therefore its a matter of time for things to become a little more clearer to us. Either way- conspiracy theories & RICO are more fun than whats in front of us right?

1. RPH and Ben getting sued today (wonder how that went)
2. The company is on the greys with no MM
3. The SEC has defaults filed- company still has not answered?? Or did they??
4. RPH is going on the radio calling illegal activities on the current ceo and committee.

I am sure everyone on here can add to the list-


 -
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
SEC news could have been better.
Something like "3 SEC Attorneys Ran Over By Garbage Truck Entering Atlanta Federal Court Building".
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I still want to know what the deal is regarding CSHD and the default and whatever the connection was with today's date. I searched through the last thread and still didn't see anything concrete...but I KNOW there was something specific to the 4th and some sort of decision.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
I think we have some other bigger things going on in the background.

Do you really think that someone would issue billions to a cowboy penny stock CEO? He is most likely part of something bigger than just an OTC company.

Whoever fronted the bond deal- do you think they would be going crazy seeing a shareholders overthrow the company they have the assets parked in? These assets are worth a lot of money! Thinking that mgmt is a 3-ring circus is enough to make anyone uneasy...yet they don't say anything???

Some might suggest the inmates are running the asylum here. Nothing against joe blow the shareholder (I am one myself) but there are reasons I am not the CEO of a company. Its not my job....these folks that happen to be OTC investors or message board posters are instantly credible folks to make decisions for a corporation? For all I know the one with the most posts could be some kid flippin burgers part time and posting on message boards at night.

You have a Shareholder Committee that behind closed doors compared share counts and determined they had enough to fire the CEO? If its plain illegal (as RPH put it) how was he ousted?? why would he allow it to happen? Did they sneak in the office and change the locks on the door? How do you illegally take over a company??

I would think it would take a lot more than an overnight ousting to take over a company. To much red tape you would think (Unless the one being ousted was in on the plan somehow).

This leads me to my opinion- this thing is much bigger than RPH and the SHC. The judge didn't shut down the company for some reason- bonds are real it seems...or else this would have been over at the end of october.

Therefore its a matter of time for things to become a little more clearer to us. Either way- conspiracy theories & RICO are more fun than whats in front of us right?

1. RPH and Ben getting sued today (wonder how that went)
2. The company is on the greys with no MM
3. The SEC has defaults filed- company still has not answered?? Or did they??
4. RPH is going on the radio calling illegal activities on the current ceo and committee.

I am sure everyone on here can add to the list-


 -

frank I already added mine to the above list.
We could all be wrong about whats going on, but also no one is forcing a CEO to say anything that he does'nt want to. But they do anyway with frequent contradiction.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Frank - Is that a new picture of Rufus?
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Frank - Is that a new picture of Rufus?

No, the nose is quite short on that one.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Frank - Is that a new picture of Rufus?

LMAO - Yep, except Pinocchio reformed [Wink]
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Hey, Repo -- Rutgers will be the number two team next year behind WV. I'll put you ahead of Louisville. But, the Big East put five teams in bowl games this year. Not bad.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Sherri- PM
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
Whoever fronted the bond deal- do you think they would be going crazy seeing a shareholders overthrow the company they have the assets parked in? These assets are worth a lot of money! Thinking that mgmt is a 3-ring circus is enough to make anyone uneasy...yet they don't say anything???
you can bet your azz they would be uneasy, they would be screaming!!!! witch leads me to believe we do not own squat! JMO!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
I think we have some other bigger things going on in the background.

Do you really think that someone would issue billions to a cowboy penny stock CEO? He is most likely part of something bigger than just an OTC company.

Whoever fronted the bond deal- do you think they would be going crazy seeing a shareholders overthrow the company they have the assets parked in? These assets are worth a lot of money! Thinking that mgmt is a 3-ring circus is enough to make anyone uneasy...yet they don't say anything???

Some might suggest the inmates are running the asylum here. Nothing against joe blow the shareholder (I am one myself) but there are reasons I am not the CEO of a company. Its not my job....these folks that happen to be OTC investors or message board posters are instantly credible folks to make decisions for a corporation? For all I know the one with the most posts could be some kid flippin burgers part time and posting on message boards at night.

You have a Shareholder Committee that behind closed doors compared share counts and determined they had enough to fire the CEO? If its plain illegal (as RPH put it) how was he ousted?? why would he allow it to happen? Did they sneak in the office and change the locks on the door? How do you illegally take over a company??

I would think it would take a lot more than an overnight ousting to take over a company. To much red tape you would think (Unless the one being ousted was in on the plan somehow).

This leads me to my opinion- this thing is much bigger than RPH and the SHC. The judge didn't shut down the company for some reason- bonds are real it seems...or else this would have been over at the end of october.

Therefore its a matter of time for things to become a little more clearer to us. Either way- conspiracy theories & RICO are more fun than whats in front of us right?

1. RPH and Ben getting sued today (wonder how that went)
2. The company is on the greys with no MM
3. The SEC has defaults filed- company still has not answered?? Or did they??
4. RPH is going on the radio calling illegal activities on the current ceo and committee.

I am sure everyone on here can add to the list-


[image deleted for space -- tex]

Lol...lottsa confusion remaining...highlights, in no particular order:

"Whoever fronted the bond deal- do you think they would be going crazy seeing a shareholders overthrow the company they have the assets parked in? These assets are worth a lot of money!"

Reference to the "bond deal/assets" as though the former CEO's claim are true... (see following).

"The judge didn't shut down the company for some reason- bonds are real it seems...or else this would have been over at the end of october."

The judge didn't shut down the company--it was temporarily suspended by the SEC, for questions specifically relating to "the bond deal/assets" (per preceding). Deducing "the bonds are real" from the court's *inability* to make this have "been over at the end of October" doesn't make sense: the court was not ruling on revocation. Instead a default judgment was entered against the former CEO as a result of his inaction.

"You have a Shareholder Committee that behind closed doors compared share counts and determined they had enough to fire the CEO?"

Shareholder committees can make recommendations to the BOD/majority shareholders (bylaws come into play); the claim here is that the majority shareholder(s) installed the new CEO, not the committee.
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
There's still one thing I'm not following in regards to the theory that Rufus had friends that were selling into the rise in PPS. While that's a possibility, doesn't the material information in the PRs and SEC filings still need to be accurate for Rufus not to end up in jail? If we find out the bonds claims are false (and perhaps along with other things stated), and Rufus goes to jail, am I really supposed to believe he did it for his friends/family? Or am I erring in my thinking on this?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Tex-

What I meant in the judge shutting down the company in the end of October was this:

The SEC filed a complaint to shut the doors on CSHD and have them banned from future jobs as officers in any corp. The judge did not rule in favor of what the SEC was going for in the original complaint-

You can compare the complaint with the order to see what the SEC did not get as originally intended.

The shareholder committee can act in that regard if it has certain filings and operational status you think?

RPH designating the chairmen via a PR and then somehow other majority shareholders are moved into position unbeknownst to the other shareholders verifying anyones holdings in this company does not seem to be the valid approach.

So if it was the majority shareholders and not the "committee" then perhaps it was Mike A? Whos the BOD? Who is the Maj shareholders? If they can change CEO's they should be publicly known to the other shareholders?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
OK, The ending price for the day was .20.

Did my buy order kick in? Noooo! What's up?
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
a number of you are stating that you have buy orders in - has anyone been able to sell? and has it been hard to get those orders to go through? what type of asking price have you put out relative to the PPS at the time?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
I had to call Scotty (since there are no market makers) and placed a good till cancel order at .20. That was several days ago and the price is flying up and down but my buy never hit. It should hit tomorrow (and with my luck will keep dropping). LOL
 
Posted by BooDog on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BooDog:
PHGI taking a stab at CSHD.

[URL=http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/news.jsp?url=fis_story.asp%3Ftextpath%3DCOM TEX%5Cmt%5C2006%5C12%5C04%5C86485406.html%26clientid%3D168%26provider%3DM2_COMMU NICATIONS&symbol=CSHD][/URL]

"If completed, Perihelion will attempt to become one of the first pinksheet companies to succeed in not only convincing the public of a substantial asset base, but also to avoid the regulatory fate of such recent companies like Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC: CSHD)."
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I'm finally listening to the SPR show from the other night. I still can't believe that the TA does all of the filings for the company. Rufus said that he couldn't get the codes to file the stuff and had to go through the TA (Don). WTF's up with that? He also seems to feel like Don is now in kahoots (sp?) with John, since John was able to file the 8K. Did John get the codes himself or did he go through Don as well?

Interesting stuff. Listening to Rufus makes me feel better about him. He knows this stuff! I'm not finished with the show yet, so maybe it gets worse later on.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
The SEC filed a complaint to shut the doors on CSHD and have them banned from future jobs as officers in any corp. The judge did not rule in favor of what the SEC was going for in the original complaint-

You can compare the complaint with the order to see what the SEC did not get as originally intended.------------------------------------------- what i seem to remember reading in the original complaint was that RPH as CEO alledgedly made false or missleading statements about the companies assets, the action resulted in a standard 10 day suspension while RPH and co. ansered the complaint. they were not at the point where they were looking to close the doors on the company and that may still happen. the fact that the stock trades on the grey sheets does not validate the assets, nothing so far has done this to the satisfaction of the SEC( or why would they be preparing a lawsuit!), the company should have settled this already IF they own the claimed assets. again how hard can it possibly be to prove this!!!! not a single possitive event has transpired since the suspension was lifted! not one!! every negative developement has been spun in every concievable way to twist them into a possitive yet we still trade on greys and the price continues to decline! with no end in site. our former CEO spent the day in court. our former BOD resigned our new CFO will not take the job without D and O insurance to cover his AZZ not if but WHEN this company gets sued!!! niether "spin" nor wishful thinking will save this company, without credibal varifiable and completely accurate info BY THE COMPANY we will be at .05 by friday!! thats the way I see it. GLTA!!! we realy need it!!!
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
I think that the final paragraph in the FHAL/CSHD saga will be written this week. I lost 6K on this mess. I really feel for those who bought a ton of shares and had the opportunity to sell for a big profit - and didn't because of Rufus's lies and pumping. Or those who bought over $2.

RPH and Ben should do time for the mayhem they have caused.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
The SEC filed a complaint to shut the doors on CSHD and have them banned from future jobs as officers in any corp. The judge did not rule in favor of what the SEC was going for in the original complaint-

You can compare the complaint with the order to see what the SEC did not get as originally intended.------------------------------------------- what i seem to remember reading in the original complaint was that RPH as CEO alledgedly made false or missleading statements about the companies assets, the action resulted in a standard 10 day suspension while RPH and co. ansered the complaint. they were not at the point where they were looking to close the doors on the company and that may still happen. the fact that the stock trades on the grey sheets does not validate the assets, nothing so far has done this to the satisfaction of the SEC( or why would they be preparing a lawsuit!), the company should have settled this already IF they own the claimed assets. again how hard can it possibly be to prove this!!!! not a single possitive event has transpired since the suspension was lifted! not one!! every negative developement has been spun in every concievable way to twist them into a possitive yet we still trade on greys and the price continues to decline! with no end in site. our former CEO spent the day in court. our former BOD resigned our new CFO will not take the job without D and O insurance to cover his AZZ not if but WHEN this company gets sued!!! niether "spin" nor wishful thinking will save this company, without credibal varifiable and completely accurate info BY THE COMPANY we will be at .05 by friday!! thats the way I see it. GLTA!!! we realy need it!!!

MM-

If you actually read the SEC complaint and compare it to the "Order" (Not the minutes but the actual order) you will plainly see that the judge must have gotten some sort of information regarding the assets to justify him not excercising all of the requests on the complaint.

Disgorgement, Civil penalties, and permanently prohibiting RPH from acting as an officer or director of any company.

These are some of the things in the complaint that the judge could have easily included in the order- but due to evidence presented by RPH and CSHD it was NOT included.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
I think that the final paragraph in the FHAL/CSHD saga will be written this week. I lost 6K on this mess. I really feel for those who bought a ton of shares and had the opportunity to sell for a big profit - and didn't because of Rufus's lies and pumping. Or those who bought over $2.

RPH and Ben should do time for the mayhem they have caused.

I would love for this to be done this week even if it means a padlock on the office door! at least we would KNOW where we stand! unfortunately I think this saga will continue well into 2007 with the stock trading on grey sheets in the 00 to 01 range eventualy. sad to say. I hope i am wrong!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
One bond was an amazing claim, but Rufus has been bold enough to claim up to 15 billion in bonds, talk about over kill. I can't imagine why he would need so much, he has'nt funded zilch up to now. And this seems like an issue that could be told to us shareholders. When I think about it I realize they don't tell me much.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
"Disgorgement, Civil penalties, and permanently prohibiting RPH from acting as an officer or director of any company."------------------------------------------ as far as i can tell this case is not over yet and all of these things may yet come to pass.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Tex-

What I meant in the judge shutting down the company in the end of October was this:

The SEC filed a complaint to shut the doors on CSHD and have them banned from future jobs as officers in any corp. The judge did not rule in favor of what the SEC was going for in the original complaint-

You can compare the complaint with the order to see what the SEC did not get as originally intended.

The shareholder committee can act in that regard if it has certain filings and operational status you think?

RPH designating the chairmen via a PR and then somehow other majority shareholders are moved into position unbeknownst to the other shareholders verifying anyones holdings in this company does not seem to be the valid approach.

So if it was the majority shareholders and not the "committee" then perhaps it was Mike A? Whos the BOD? Who is the Maj shareholders? If they can change CEO's they should be publicly known to the other shareholders?

"The SEC filed a complaint to shut the doors ...."

Nope. That requires an SEC administrative hearing (cf: CMKX); the point is, this is confusing enough without peeps' adding to it.

I have no idea what you "meant," but, yes, the court granted the SEC's motion not only for TRO but also for expedited discovery.

"So if it was the majority shareholders and not the "committee" then perhaps it was Mike A? Whos the BOD? Who is the Maj shareholders? If they can change CEO's they should be publicly known to the other shareholders?"

These are good questions...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"Disgorgement, Civil penalties, and permanently prohibiting RPH from acting as an officer or director of any company."------------------------------------------ as far as i can tell this case is not over yet and all of these things may yet come to pass.

you are correct it is not over. The point I was making was that the judge must have looked at something that made him NOT slam the doors on this company as well as slam the cuffs on RPH and Co. Perhaps some magic in the sealed exhibit?

This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on (Yes trading on greys counts for something....not a lot but its more than being shut down).
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"Disgorgement, Civil penalties, and permanently prohibiting RPH from acting as an officer or director of any company."------------------------------------------ as far as i can tell this case is not over yet and all of these things may yet come to pass.

you are correct it is not over. The point I was making was that the judge must have looked at something that made him NOT slam the doors on this company as well as slam the cuffs on RPH and Co. Perhaps some magic in the sealed exhibit?

This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on (Yes trading on greys counts for something....not a lot but its more than being shut down).

Frank, you're still missing the point: the court has NEVER been in a position to "slam the doors."

Due process: SEC suspended for 10 days--they can do that, but they can't suspend again for *the same reasons.*

Subsequently, the civil process began... To say, "This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on ...." simply ignores the reality of due process.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
WOW - Has anybody seen this post from JesusPower yesterday on HSM- Interesting.....First, Anthony changed his tune on SPR about Rufus, now JesusPower1, these are people who were in teleconference right? I think it speaks volumes....

JesusPower1 says:

I owe many of you an apology! I'm sincerely sorry if I have made myself out to be a complete moron for acting so blindly in my passion for the company. I know now that you can't trust just anyone! Proper discernment is vital and major emotions should not cloud your thinking.

I have learned so much from so many of you and applaud you for maintaining level-headed wisdom throughout this whole journey. Some of you are so stinking smart...and intuitive that it blows me away. Keep up the good work!

To answer the quote above...

I understand your thinking...it was mine as well until I sought and received help.

The responsibility of the Primary MM signed on is to protect the stock from crooked MM's and the MM that might be chosen should be a highly respected one in the industry that other MM's will not buck and try to bring the price down. This P MM will maintain the support.

Remember that those short positions prior to 10/16 now have 7x's as many and will now have to cover those within..I'm guessing 3 days..of the resumption of trading on the OTCBB.

After the other MM's file their own form, then we will see where we go from there. I don't know the answer to that yet.

And I hope great good comes out of the congressional hearing on Tuesday.

The true long on the other side of the shorting trade as CONCARNE alluded to...is interesting to say the least. Why did RPH say on SPR the other night that if we got 6 shares and a pps of $1.80 that we should take it? What happened to his conviction of the $11 BV? Why would he seem content to let the company fall apart and be completely de-listed...not hiring an attorney or dealing with the SEC professionally!?! I see ulterior motives!

All truth will come out in time I'm sure. All I can say is that I truly thank God for John, James, Mark and several others that had the integrity to take the necessary action and protect the company and it's AMAZING shareholders.

Continue to hang in there as the execs work through the items necessary to get us moving in the right direction. The business plan is a great one, hence the reason why it attracted so many shareholders of high calibur.

I can't give any timelines b/c I really refuse to play that game anymore. I am long and strong.

Peace
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
One bond was an amazing claim, but Rufus has been bold enough to claim up to 15 billion in bonds, talk about over kill. I can't imagine why he would need so much, he has'nt funded zilch up to now. And this seems like an issue that could be told to us shareholders. When I think about it I realize they don't tell me much.

As crazy as this may sound, that is exactly why I believe/d the bonds are real in some form or fashion and that we have some kind of ownership or access to them. One bond was amazing...so why claim so much more?...if all is false, it likely would not have radared the SEC IMHO to have only one. The proverbial piece of the puzzle is still missing....
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
I just wonder. Are we ever going to see the S-4 and S-3? Does anyone know what the timeline on submitting those documents are? How long the company actually has to submit them before something becomes invalidated? Just a quick question. TIA!
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
WOW - Has anybody seen this post from JesusPower yesterday on HSM- Interesting.....First, Anthony changed his tune on SPR about Rufus, now JesusPower1, these are people who were in teleconference right? I think it speaks volumes....

JesusPower1 says:

I owe many of you an apology! I'm sincerely sorry if I have made myself out to be a complete moron for acting so blindly in my passion for the company. I know now that you can't trust just anyone! Proper discernment is vital and major emotions should not cloud your thinking.

I have learned so much from so many of you and applaud you for maintaining level-headed wisdom throughout this whole journey. Some of you are so stinking smart...and intuitive that it blows me away. Keep up the good work!

To answer the quote above...

I understand your thinking...it was mine as well until I sought and received help.

The responsibility of the Primary MM signed on is to protect the stock from crooked MM's and the MM that might be chosen should be a highly respected one in the industry that other MM's will not buck and try to bring the price down. This P MM will maintain the support.

Remember that those short positions prior to 10/16 now have 7x's as many and will now have to cover those within..I'm guessing 3 days..of the resumption of trading on the OTCBB.

After the other MM's file their own form, then we will see where we go from there. I don't know the answer to that yet.

And I hope great good comes out of the congressional hearing on Tuesday.

The true long on the other side of the shorting trade as CONCARNE alluded to...is interesting to say the least. Why did RPH say on SPR the other night that if we got 6 shares and a pps of $1.80 that we should take it? What happened to his conviction of the $11 BV? Why would he seem content to let the company fall apart and be completely de-listed...not hiring an attorney or dealing with the SEC professionally!?! I see ulterior motives!

All truth will come out in time I'm sure. All I can say is that I truly thank God for John, James, Mark and several others that had the integrity to take the necessary action and protect the company and it's AMAZING shareholders.

Continue to hang in there as the execs work through the items necessary to get us moving in the right direction. The business plan is a great one, hence the reason why it attracted so many shareholders of high calibur.

I can't give any timelines b/c I really refuse to play that game anymore. I am long and strong.

Peace

That is definately interesting....and quite a change if I recall previous posts. This part truly sticks out:

"I know now that you can't trust just anyone! "

Sad thing is - we really don't know who to trust here.... I mean, I have people that I have talked with, PMd, and have helped me and I believe told me the truth, and I have done likewise... BUT, there are ALWAYS people with ulterior motives....
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"Disgorgement, Civil penalties, and permanently prohibiting RPH from acting as an officer or director of any company."------------------------------------------ as far as i can tell this case is not over yet and all of these things may yet come to pass.

you are correct it is not over. The point I was making was that the judge must have looked at something that made him NOT slam the doors on this company as well as slam the cuffs on RPH and Co. Perhaps some magic in the sealed exhibit?

This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on (Yes trading on greys counts for something....not a lot but its more than being shut down).

Frank, you're still missing the point: the court has NEVER been in a position to "slam the doors."

Due process: SEC suspended for 10 days--they can do that, but they can't suspend again for *the same reasons.*

Subsequently, the civil process began... To say, "This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on ...." simply ignores the reality of due process.

I was under the impression that before rolling out the TRO for epedited discovery that the judge looked at the complaint and some exhibits from CSHD? One piece was sealed-

The judge examined the exhibits and issued the TRO after that....is that not the case? Isn't that where the court would read the complaint from the SEC and examine evidence to determine if the man is a menance to society?

How would that be acting in benefit of the shareholders if they didn't verify some sort of legitimacy of the company prior to it coming back on the market?

The TRO was entered after the judge looked at the case right?

I am no legal expert- so take what I am talking about as speculation.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
There's still one thing I'm not following in regards to the theory that Rufus had friends that were selling into the rise in PPS. While that's a possibility, doesn't the material information in the PRs and SEC filings still need to be accurate for Rufus not to end up in jail? If we find out the bonds claims are false (and perhaps along with other things stated), and Rufus goes to jail, am I really supposed to believe he did it for his friends/family? Or am I erring in my thinking on this?

lol, what's the question, exactly?

Surely you're aware the pennies are chock-full of risky plays and a variety of scams, yes? If not, start here:

http://www.sec.gov/investor/pubs/cyberfraud.htm
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"Disgorgement, Civil penalties, and permanently prohibiting RPH from acting as an officer or director of any company."------------------------------------------ as far as i can tell this case is not over yet and all of these things may yet come to pass.

you are correct it is not over. The point I was making was that the judge must have looked at something that made him NOT slam the doors on this company as well as slam the cuffs on RPH and Co. Perhaps some magic in the sealed exhibit?

This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on (Yes trading on greys counts for something....not a lot but its more than being shut down).

Frank, you're still missing the point: the court has NEVER been in a position to "slam the doors."

Due process: SEC suspended for 10 days--they can do that, but they can't suspend again for *the same reasons.*

Subsequently, the civil process began... To say, "This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on ...." simply ignores the reality of due process.

Thanks TEX i was going to post pretty mutch the same thing, and i DO think when all is done RPH will be barred from holding a position as an officer or director in any publicly traded company for life. ( witch may be why he is so bold - nothing to lose! ) if the company were to restate assets and income in a fully audited financial statement they might get off the greys but of course the stock would be finnished. at this point our new CEO can blame RPH and his team for any and everything and he just may.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"Disgorgement, Civil penalties, and permanently prohibiting RPH from acting as an officer or director of any company."------------------------------------------ as far as i can tell this case is not over yet and all of these things may yet come to pass.

you are correct it is not over. The point I was making was that the judge must have looked at something that made him NOT slam the doors on this company as well as slam the cuffs on RPH and Co. Perhaps some magic in the sealed exhibit?

This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on (Yes trading on greys counts for something....not a lot but its more than being shut down).

Frank, you're still missing the point: the court has NEVER been in a position to "slam the doors."

Due process: SEC suspended for 10 days--they can do that, but they can't suspend again for *the same reasons.*

Subsequently, the civil process began... To say, "This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on ...." simply ignores the reality of due process.

I was under the impression that before rolling out the TRO for epedited discovery that the judge looked at the complaint and some exhibits from CSHD? One piece was sealed-

The judge examined the exhibits and issued the TRO after that....is that not the case? Isn't that where the court would read the complaint from the SEC and examine evidence to determine if the man is a menance to society?

How would that be acting in benefit of the shareholders if they didn't verify some sort of legitimacy of the company prior to it coming back on the market?

The TRO was entered after the judge looked at the case right?

I am no legal expert- so take what I am talking about as speculation.

Frank, basically the SEC has serious questions and asked the court to make the defendant(s) hush up with the claims. Court agrees, to the point of telling the company to respond to discovery requests within a few days (3, as I recall)...

This process does not favor shareholders *already in* -- that's a different route. This process is about prospective/future shareholders.

Believe me--I know the *sting* from awareness of that recognition: eg, I had one in which Gainskeeper showed me up $30k on a $50 buy...but Scottie didn't deliver my shares in time to beat the SEC suspension.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
actually? Tex? NOBODY got shares in time on that play, but AMTD allowed it's traders to take a short position..

a precedent was set on that stock i b'lieve..
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"Disgorgement, Civil penalties, and permanently prohibiting RPH from acting as an officer or director of any company."------------------------------------------ as far as i can tell this case is not over yet and all of these things may yet come to pass.

you are correct it is not over. The point I was making was that the judge must have looked at something that made him NOT slam the doors on this company as well as slam the cuffs on RPH and Co. Perhaps some magic in the sealed exhibit?

This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on (Yes trading on greys counts for something....not a lot but its more than being shut down).

Frank, you're still missing the point: the court has NEVER been in a position to "slam the doors."

Due process: SEC suspended for 10 days--they can do that, but they can't suspend again for *the same reasons.*

Subsequently, the civil process began... To say, "This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on ...." simply ignores the reality of due process.

Tex,
Not arguing (just curious), but my question would be then what is the point of suspending for 10 days if due process has to take place anyway? In other words, what is the suspension of 10 days allowing time for? Why not just let the stock continue to trade in lieu of suspending?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
If the judge has no position to shut the doors down on RPH and the company then I don't get what they filed the exhibits for?

One was sealed and apparently been dubbed the ace in the hole for CSHD.

I would think that if the SEC presents the court with a potential fraud case and the defendent has NO proof to the claims then the court would step in and stop the company from going back on the market and further defrauding the public.

Back in a bit- off to dinner


-fw
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Mad$$$,

"if the company were to restate assets and income in a fully audited financial statement they might get off the greys but of course the stock would be finnished."

Were that to happen, the market would determine, based on new info... extravagant claims prolly would not be wise, though...
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Mad$$$,

"if the company were to restate assets and income in a fully audited financial statement they might get off the greys but of course the stock would be finnished."

Were that to happen, the market would determine, based on new info... extravagant claims prolly would not be wise, though...

quite true! TEX: the market will determine the companies value (stock price) based on stated and proven assets and percieved potential future value. as well as the credibility of management in it`s ability to execute the companies buisness plan.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
"Disgorgement, Civil penalties, and permanently prohibiting RPH from acting as an officer or director of any company."------------------------------------------ as far as i can tell this case is not over yet and all of these things may yet come to pass.

you are correct it is not over. The point I was making was that the judge must have looked at something that made him NOT slam the doors on this company as well as slam the cuffs on RPH and Co. Perhaps some magic in the sealed exhibit?

This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on (Yes trading on greys counts for something....not a lot but its more than being shut down).

Frank, you're still missing the point: the court has NEVER been in a position to "slam the doors."

Due process: SEC suspended for 10 days--they can do that, but they can't suspend again for *the same reasons.*

Subsequently, the civil process began... To say, "This would have never went back onto the market if such a blatent fraud was going on ...." simply ignores the reality of due process.

Tex,
Not arguing (just curious), but my question would be then what is the point of suspending for 10 days if due process has to take place anyway? In other words, what is the suspension of 10 days allowing time for? Why not just let the stock continue to trade in lieu of suspending?

Suspension says the SEC has serious questions, not only for traders to consider but also (and maybe even more crucial) for broker/dealers. Individuals are their own "fiduciary" agents, but broker/dealers can get on the hook in such a way as to affect "the system." It allows time for allocating resources to "dig in" as well as for companies to say, "wait, wait--what do we need to show you?" or to perhaps wrangle enough evidence to convince a broker/dealer to take on the resposibility of filing a 15c2-11.

At the point the suspension is issued, the SEC is convinced that allowing the company to trade unfettered is too big a risk to continue "biz as usual."

[added after posting]:

Also, that's why I emphasize precise language regarding "halts" v "suspensions"; a halt can in fact be beneficial, allowing market to adjust to new info, then ... "Play ball!" But a suspension is always severe.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
If the judge has no position to shut the doors down on RPH and the company then I don't get what they filed the exhibits for?

One was sealed and apparently been dubbed the ace in the hole for CSHD.

I would think that if the SEC presents the court with a potential fraud case and the defendent has NO proof to the claims then the court would step in and stop the company from going back on the market and further defrauding the public.

Back in a bit- off to dinner


-fw

it is not easy to shut down a company no matter how massive the fraud! did you know that ENRON still trades!
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 

 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
If the judge has no position to shut the doors down on RPH and the company then I don't get what they filed the exhibits for?

One was sealed and apparently been dubbed the ace in the hole for CSHD.

I would think that if the SEC presents the court with a potential fraud case and the defendent has NO proof to the claims then the court would step in and stop the company from going back on the market and further defrauding the public.

Back in a bit- off to dinner


-fw

lol...due process.

Magna Carta ---> Constitution ---> due process

The company has an avenue to defend itself, ie, the "king" can't order his "soldiers" to "go get" whomever.

Pure speculation: I've seen an interesting post at I-hub indicating the sealed exhibit was personal bank/brokerage records...makes sense to me (privacy, etc), but I have *no* way of knowing or supporting/refuting...

"I would think ...."

Well, what you think is different from the process; broker/dealers are aware SEC has questions, as well as traders. The "shut down" may well happen, but it's a long process.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
imho, the failure to answer the motion for default says it all. they should have had an attorney at the court house door when the courthouse opened this morning and then pr'ed it. today's drop is a lack of confidence that the company answered the motion. think about it. if you're right, show up, prove up, then shout it from the rooftops. if guilty, be quiet and slink dack into the shadows.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
imho, the failure to answer the motion for default says it all. they should have had an attorney at the court house door when the courthouse opened this morning and then pr'ed it. today's drop is a lack of confidence that the company answered the motion. think about it. if you're right, show up, prove up, then shout it from the rooftops. if guilty, be quiet and slink dack into the shadows.

How long, re preceding events, did it take for docs for to show up? Am wondering whether it's still possible the company answered today...
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
hopefuly, they did. i should be in a place where there is pacer access tomorrow. will post as soon as i find out either way. but they should have issued a pr about the answer, don't you think? of course, that could show up at 10:00 tonight too.
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
nah, id only feel scammed if all that happened and the ceo still told the public to buy the chit outta it.

oh. [Wink]

~BB

quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
Would I feel scammed if I were promised a reset value of $15.00 and it never happened?
Would I feel scammed if there were a secretive share holders committee?
Would I feel scammed if the CEO's changed every couple weeks?
Would I feel scammed if the BOD's were all fired?
Would I feel scammed if the founder appeared drunk on SPR, and didn't make sense?
Would I feel scammed if my purchase at $2.00 fell to pennies in a week?
Would I feel scammed in our Billions in assets either weren't there or untouchable?
Hmmmmmmmm wonder what it would take to feel scammed?


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
[Confused]
So was the "default" withdrawn or not? I was under the impressioon that nothing needed to be done today Because the signing of the TRO and the other was the "same as" an answer...and that the default was withdrawn???
I am beyond confused... [Confused]

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
imho, the failure to answer the motion for default says it all. they should have had an attorney at the court house door when the courthouse opened this morning and then pr'ed it. today's drop is a lack of confidence that the company answered the motion. think about it. if you're right, show up, prove up, then shout it from the rooftops. if guilty, be quiet and slink dack into the shadows.

How long, re preceding events, did it take for docs for to show up? Am wondering whether it's still possible the company answered today...

 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
[Confused]
So was the "default" withdrawn or not? I was under the impressioon that nothing needed to be done today Because the signing of the TRO and the other was the "same as" an answer...and that the default was withdrawn???
I am beyond confused... [Confused]

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
imho, the failure to answer the motion for default says it all. they should have had an attorney at the court house door when the courthouse opened this morning and then pr'ed it. today's drop is a lack of confidence that the company answered the motion. think about it. if you're right, show up, prove up, then shout it from the rooftops. if guilty, be quiet and slink dack into the shadows.

How long, re preceding events, did it take for docs for to show up? Am wondering whether it's still possible the company answered today...

dunno...Mark said this morning he didn't know, either. So perhaps the shareholder committee doesn't even know...

In lieu of new info, I have gone on the assumption the company had through today to answer. Last I knew, nothing was on a docket to withdraw the motion for default.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Tex, your PM box is full, LOL.
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
WOW - Has anybody seen this post from JesusPower yesterday on HSM- Interesting.....First, Anthony changed his tune on SPR about Rufus, now JesusPower1, these are people who were in teleconference right? I think it speaks volumes....

JesusPower1 says:

I owe many of you an apology! I'm sincerely sorry if I have made myself out to be a complete moron for acting so blindly in my passion for the company. I know now that you can't trust just anyone! Proper discernment is vital and major emotions should not cloud your thinking.

I have learned so much from so many of you and applaud you for maintaining level-headed wisdom throughout this whole journey. Some of you are so stinking smart...and intuitive that it blows me away. Keep up the good work!

To answer the quote above...

I understand your thinking...it was mine as well until I sought and received help.

The responsibility of the Primary MM signed on is to protect the stock from crooked MM's and the MM that might be chosen should be a highly respected one in the industry that other MM's will not buck and try to bring the price down. This P MM will maintain the support.

Remember that those short positions prior to 10/16 now have 7x's as many and will now have to cover those within..I'm guessing 3 days..of the resumption of trading on the OTCBB.

After the other MM's file their own form, then we will see where we go from there. I don't know the answer to that yet.

And I hope great good comes out of the congressional hearing on Tuesday.

The true long on the other side of the shorting trade as CONCARNE alluded to...is interesting to say the least. Why did RPH say on SPR the other night that if we got 6 shares and a pps of $1.80 that we should take it? What happened to his conviction of the $11 BV? Why would he seem content to let the company fall apart and be completely de-listed...not hiring an attorney or dealing with the SEC professionally!?! I see ulterior motives!

All truth will come out in time I'm sure. All I can say is that I truly thank God for John, James, Mark and several others that had the integrity to take the necessary action and protect the company and it's AMAZING shareholders.

Continue to hang in there as the execs work through the items necessary to get us moving in the right direction. The business plan is a great one, hence the reason why it attracted so many shareholders of high calibur.

I can't give any timelines b/c I really refuse to play that game anymore. I am long and strong.

Peace

I wonder what caused him to change his position? Hopefully we start making progress soon!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Is there anyone here who is attempting to liquidate a position in this stock? If so, are you having any luck putting your sells through? I'm interested in the actual liquidity of this stock, and where the volume is coming from.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
No i'm attempting to stock my liquid. Let's see brandy, wine, chavez.... Oh ya and position it....80% by volume hope that helps..... [Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Is there anyone here who is attempting to liquidate a position in this stock? If so, are you having any luck putting your sells through? I'm interested in the actual liquidity of this stock, and where the volume is coming from.


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
deleted.. hiccup [Eek!]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Thanks for the giggles. However, I am actually interested in how liquid this stock is, and if anyone here is attempting to trade it on the sell side.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
The biggest mystery to me right now is how some body can brag about a bond for 6 months and can't just plain old show proof of it when neccessary, let alone use it for all the business they brag about. Subpeona people to court, do what ever is neccessary. After all there is'nt supposed to be room for a penny stock mentality in this positon.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
nothing new as of now on the cvsu.us website.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
If the judge has no position to shut the doors down on RPH and the company then I don't get what they filed the exhibits for?

One was sealed and apparently been dubbed the ace in the hole for CSHD.

I would think that if the SEC presents the court with a potential fraud case and the defendent has NO proof to the claims then the court would step in and stop the company from going back on the market and further defrauding the public.

Back in a bit- off to dinner


-fw

it is not easy to shut down a company no matter how massive the fraud! did you know that ENRON still trades!
Comparing this stock to Enron is crazy. This stock has not quantified a single asset since the start of this saga.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
What's the deal with the block of stock on Euroclear? I'm still listening to the SPR show and Rufus is making a big deal about this. To me, it sounds like Rufus put some shares of CSHD onto Euroclear to prove that we have a Euroclear account. He told Simon that when we figure out why they are there, we'll have our answers (or something like that).
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
If the judge has no position to shut the doors down on RPH and the company then I don't get what they filed the exhibits for?

One was sealed and apparently been dubbed the ace in the hole for CSHD.

I would think that if the SEC presents the court with a potential fraud case and the defendent has NO proof to the claims then the court would step in and stop the company from going back on the market and further defrauding the public.

Back in a bit- off to dinner


-fw

it is not easy to shut down a company no matter how massive the fraud! did you know that ENRON still trades!
Comparing this stock to Enron is crazy. This stock has not quantified a single asset since the start of this saga.
Enron was a good play after it emerged from bankruptcy.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Rufus said something about us telling John, AW, and the toxic funding guys to give us $1.80 and our 6 shares and we should just be happy.

What's up with this? Who is AW? Are we still dealing with toxic funding?

Crazy stuff!
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
repo. everything is a good play if you catch it right. catching it right is the hard part!!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Tex:

So what you are saying is that despite any obvious evidence of fraud you are saying that the SEC and Federal court could not have shut down the operations already?

What was the purpose of the exhibits provided to the judge? If it wasn't for some sort of TRO/Complaint argument I don't see what the purose of it was for. If the court and SEC couldn't act on what it was given why would the SEC agree to the TRO which still let CSHD operate?

I know its a long process for them to be accused of Fraud etc.. but the courts position in late oct with the complaint and all exhibits provided from the SEC and CSHD was for something....the judge made a determination then of some sort??

Was it to agree with the SEC and allow the company onto the market to trade again despite the SEC and court knowing the entire thing was fraud?

Doesn't sound right.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
What's the deal with the block of stock on Euroclear? I'm still listening to the SPR show and Rufus is making a big deal about this. To me, it sounds like Rufus put some shares of CSHD onto Euroclear to prove that we have a Euroclear account. He told Simon that when we figure out why they are there, we'll have our answers (or something like that).

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Tex:

So what you are saying is that despite any obvious evidence of fraud you are saying that the SEC and Federal court could not have shut down the operations already?

What was the purpose of the exhibits provided to the judge? If it wasn't for some sort of TRO/Complaint argument I don't see what the purose of it was for. If the court and SEC couldn't act on what it was given why would the SEC agree to the TRO which still let CSHD operate?

I know its a long process for them to be accused of Fraud etc.. but the courts position in late oct with the complaint and all exhibits provided from the SEC and CSHD was for something....the judge made a determination then of some sort??

Was it to agree with the SEC and allow the company onto the market to trade again despite the SEC and court knowing the entire thing was fraud?

Doesn't sound right.

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2006/lr19883.htm

Just a reminder of exactly it is we are up against.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Surf- on the Euroclear site- any idea why the date all the way to the right is Oct. 9th?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Crazy- if you look up the address in texas for the Ecowood location in the PR's you get this

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/dallas-HSF/?action=view¤t=12_02_200 6_017.jpg

Taken from Dallas over at HSF.

Seems interesting!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
What's the deal with the block of stock on Euroclear? I'm still listening to the SPR show and Rufus is making a big deal about this. To me, it sounds like Rufus put some shares of CSHD onto Euroclear to prove that we have a Euroclear account. He told Simon that when we figure out why they are there, we'll have our answers (or something like that).

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0
I've seen this, but what the heck is it? I don't believe its a bond. From what Rufus says, its a block of CSHD stock. Why the heck is it here? Just to show proof of a Euroclear account?

If its for proof...I hope its enough for the SEC, but from the SPR show, Rufus says it won't work. I believe it was said that the only way the SEC will believe we own the bonds is if we sell them.

Good night all.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
What's the deal with the block of stock on Euroclear? I'm still listening to the SPR show and Rufus is making a big deal about this. To me, it sounds like Rufus put some shares of CSHD onto Euroclear to prove that we have a Euroclear account. He told Simon that when we figure out why they are there, we'll have our answers (or something like that).

http://www.euroclear.com/wps/portal/!ut/p/.cmd/cs/.ce/7_0_A/.s/7_0_E0/_s.7_0_A/7 _0_E0
I've seen this, but what the heck is it? I don't believe its a bond. From what Rufus says, its a block of CSHD stock. Why the heck is it here? Just to show proof of a Euroclear account?

If its for proof...I hope its enough for the SEC, but from the SPR show, Rufus says it won't work. I believe it was said that the only way the SEC will believe we own the bonds is if we sell them.

Good night all.

Could that block be all the stock that was bought up in the trust?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Surf- on the Euroclear site- any idea why the date all the way to the right is Oct. 9th?

It must be the day of the transaction. Or the post date.

The question is, exactly what kind of transaction took place?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Crazy- if you look up the address in texas for the Ecowood location in the PR's you get this

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/dallas-HSF/?action=view¤t=12_02_200 6_017.jpg

Taken from Dallas over at HSF.

Seems interesting!

What is weird is when I find the PR online I can't find it anywhere with the address on the bottom.

Someone on HSM posted the PR but included this at the bottom (which isn't on the PR)

This release should not be construed as a solicitation for funds in any manner.
Contact:
Ecowood, LTD.
507 Main Street Suite A
Lake Dallas, TX 75065
(940) 321-1075
info*fundamazon.com

Source: Ecowood, LTD.


I can't seem the find a PR with the address at the bottom...

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061003/cltu124.html?.v=2
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Is there anyone here who is attempting to liquidate a position in this stock? If so, are you having any luck putting your sells through? I'm interested in the actual liquidity of this stock, and where the volume is coming from.

Ive had both buy and sell orders on and off the boards.

I got filled for a buy today when i was trying different things just to see if anything would happen.. it was filled with two orders... a buy for ONE HUNDRED shares at .30... took a 90 and a 10 order to fill it.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Crazy- if you look up the address in texas for the Ecowood location in the PR's you get this

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/dallas-HSF/?action=view¤t=12_02_200 6_017.jpg

Taken from Dallas over at HSF.

Seems interesting!

What is weird is when I find the PR online I can't find it anywhere with the address on the bottom.

Someone on HSM posted the PR but included this at the bottom (which isn't on the PR)

This release should not be construed as a solicitation for funds in any manner.
Contact:
Ecowood, LTD.
507 Main Street Suite A
Lake Dallas, TX 75065
(940) 321-1075
info*fundamazon.com

Source: Ecowood, LTD.


I can't seem the find a PR with the address at the bottom...

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061003/cltu124.html?.v=2

This whole thing started because someone showed me the address from a PR someone pasted in on HSM- the address doesn't check out nor does the phone number. Hence the pictures.....

Why would the PR not include the same contact information as this post on HSM? Shady characters around here...........

K enough entertaining myself this evening. I am off to ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I keep getting the idea that the SEC is stepping way over their bounds with this. The crap that Conversion should have to sell the bonds is ludicrous or are they just wise azzez that are trying to mock that Rufus said that CSHD owns the bonds, therefore the freedom to sell them.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by frank021474:
[qb] Crazy- if you look up the address in texas for the Ecowood location in the PR's you get this

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/dallas-HSF/?action=view¤t=12_02_200 6_017.jpg

Taken from Dallas over at HSF.

Seems interesting!

What is weird is when I find the PR online I can't find it anywhere with the address on the bottom.

Someone on HSM posted the PR but included this at the bottom (which isn't on the PR)

This release should not be construed as a solicitation for funds in any manner.
Contact:
Ecowood, LTD.
507 Main Street Suite A
Lake Dallas, TX 75065
(940) 321-1075
info*fundamazon.com

Source: Ecowood, LTD.


I can't seem the find a PR with the address at the bottom...

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/061003/cltu124.html?.v=2

Never mind found the adx is on an 8k filed- its vacant.... [Eek!]

http://www.secinfo.com/d17yWq.v2y.htm

This plot thickens anymore we are going to be chiseling at it with a jack hammer. Why is the Ecowood adx an emtpy suite A in Lake Dallas??

Did they move it to the lunar office?
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Q) How do you move a billion dollar company from georgia to texas overnight?

A) Slip your shareholders rufies and change the address on the website.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Tex:

So what you are saying is that despite any obvious evidence of fraud you are saying that the SEC and Federal court could not have shut down the operations already?

What was the purpose of the exhibits provided to the judge? If it wasn't for some sort of TRO/Complaint argument I don't see what the purose of it was for. If the court and SEC couldn't act on what it was given why would the SEC agree to the TRO which still let CSHD operate?

I know its a long process for them to be accused of Fraud etc.. but the courts position in late oct with the complaint and all exhibits provided from the SEC and CSHD was for something....the judge made a determination then of some sort??

Was it to agree with the SEC and allow the company onto the market to trade again despite the SEC and court knowing the entire thing was fraud?

Doesn't sound right.

I get that...

That is, you "don't see it"...hang around long enough and you will.

Amidst your somewhat disjointed points, you seem consistently to be asking for the SEC to invoke "instant karma." Perhaps so as not to have think about it, anymore?

I dunno...

yes, there *are* emergency provisions in place; here's one from today:

http://lawfuel.com/show-release.asp?ID=9783

please note, foreign principals, as well as previous SEC actions...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Surf- on the Euroclear site- any idea why the date all the way to the right is Oct. 9th?

It must be the day of the transaction. Or the post date.

The question is, exactly what kind of transaction took place?

On the Euroclear site I searched other companies for the heck of it- I found other symbols other than stock, which is what it says in the Instrament column for Conver. Sol. I can't figure some of them out...These other symbols were:

EQWR, HYBWR, BOND, STOCK, & DR

Any idea what these things are? I know what BOND & STOCK is obviously but what do those other symbols stand for under instrument....
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Am I being impatient or is it taking the new COE too long to get things done? CEO

[Smile] Are you kidding ? John has done more in a week than Mike ever did or Rufus did in his last two months. ...... Still enjoy your posts though.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I keep getting the idea that the SEC is stepping way over their bounds with this. The crap that Conversion should have to sell the bonds is ludicrous or are they just wise azzez that are trying to mock that Rufus said that CSHD owns the bonds, therefore the freedom to sell them.

this is the most interesting/baffling thing ive heard all day
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I keep getting the idea that the SEC is stepping way over their bounds with this. The crap that Conversion should have to sell the bonds is ludicrous or are they just wise azzez that are trying to mock that Rufus said that CSHD owns the bonds, therefore the freedom to sell them.

this is the most interesting/baffling thing ive heard all day
FWIW, Take everything Rufie says with a grain of salt....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
no doubt jenna, but when this guy is making statements like this on behalf of conversion (unauthorized) its hard to take lightly
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
To me the SEC is coming across like they want to run the company their way. I'm very curious to hear what defense lawters would have to say about it.

quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I keep getting the idea that the SEC is stepping way over their bounds with this. The crap that Conversion should have to sell the bonds is ludicrous or are they just wise azzez that are trying to mock that Rufus said that CSHD owns the bonds, therefore the freedom to sell them.

this is the most interesting/baffling thing ive heard all day

 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I keep getting the idea that the SEC is stepping way over their bounds with this. The crap that Conversion should have to sell the bonds is ludicrous or are they just wise azzez that are trying to mock that Rufus said that CSHD owns the bonds, therefore the freedom to sell them.

this is the most interesting/baffling thing ive heard all day
FWIW, Take everything Rufie says with a grain of salt....
grain of salt, got it.
I make a motion that we hear some solid secnd opinions real soon.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I keep getting the idea that the SEC is stepping way over their bounds with this. The crap that Conversion should have to sell the bonds is ludicrous or are they just wise azzez that are trying to mock that Rufus said that CSHD owns the bonds, therefore the freedom to sell them.

this is the most interesting/baffling thing ive heard all day
will go with the baffle part... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
With all the smart traders here who can't figure this mess out, it may be simpliar then we think. It just could be we are in this mess because our company officers are stupid, and we aren't closed down because the SEC is incompetent. Could be that simple....
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I'm glad someone else heard the part about sec.wanting Rufus to sell the bonds , for proof it wasn;t fraud, but and I say this carefully because I have not listened to SRP a second time, but I would of sworn that after Rufus hung up his phone, Simon was talking to another caller and said something like, a message has came thru from James Gee stating that the sec.wanted Rufus to sell the bonds, please don't yell at me.yes, I should listen again. Just thought someone else heard this and can confirm or deny. I do not have SPR interview on hand. Thanks and GLTA
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
With all the smart traders here who can't figure this mess out, it may be simpliar then we think. It just could be we are in this mess because our company officers are stupid, and we aren't closed down because the SEC is incompetent. Could be that simple....

no the company was/is incompetent and the SEC is criminal..
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I'm glad someone else heard the part about sec.wanting Rufus to sell the bonds , for proof it wasn;t fraud, but and I say this carefully because I have not listened to SRP a second time, but I would of sworn that after Rufus hung up his phone, Simon was talking to another caller and said something like, a message has came thru from James Gee stating that the sec.wanted Rufus to sell the bonds, please don't yell at me.yes, I should listen again. Just thought someone else heard this and can confirm or deny. I do not have SPR interview on hand. Thanks and GLTA

yes please someone confirm or deny this...

now if rufus sells all the bonds...what does conversion/shareholders get out of it, if anything?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I'm glad someone else heard the part about sec.wanting Rufus to sell the bonds , for proof it wasn;t fraud, but and I say this carefully because I have not listened to SRP a second time, but I would of sworn that after Rufus hung up his phone, Simon was talking to another caller and said something like, a message has came thru from James Gee stating that the sec.wanted Rufus to sell the bonds, please don't yell at me.yes, I should listen again. Just thought someone else heard this and can confirm or deny. I do not have SPR interview on hand. Thanks and GLTA

Let me get this straight...

You're not sure what you heard...but you think it involved a former SHC person ( a member of a group with unproven legitmacy ) being quoted second-hand to the effect that the SEC was pressuring the former CEO to sell something, said something the SEC questions in the first place...

is that accurate?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Trade, I know I did hear Rufus say that the sec. told him if he draws on the bonds , its fraud and if he doesn't , its fraud. RPH said he's in a box because of this. I should have done my DD on SPR again before saying things that may or may not be true , but sense the subject was brought up , thought I'd ask.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I'm glad someone else heard the part about sec.wanting Rufus to sell the bonds , for proof it wasn;t fraud, but and I say this carefully because I have not listened to SRP a second time, but I would of sworn that after Rufus hung up his phone, Simon was talking to another caller and said something like, a message has came thru from James Gee stating that the sec.wanted Rufus to sell the bonds, please don't yell at me.yes, I should listen again. Just thought someone else heard this and can confirm or deny. I do not have SPR interview on hand. Thanks and GLTA

yes please someone confirm or deny this...

now if rufus sells all the bonds...what does conversion/shareholders get out of it, if anything?

not following how the "former CEO" is in such a position...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I'm glad someone else heard the part about sec.wanting Rufus to sell the bonds , for proof it wasn;t fraud, but and I say this carefully because I have not listened to SRP a second time, but I would of sworn that after Rufus hung up his phone, Simon was talking to another caller and said something like, a message has came thru from James Gee stating that the sec.wanted Rufus to sell the bonds, please don't yell at me.yes, I should listen again. Just thought someone else heard this and can confirm or deny. I do not have SPR interview on hand. Thanks and GLTA

Let me get this straight...

You're not sure what you heard...but you think it involved a former SHC person ( a member of a group with unproven legitmacy ) being quoted second-hand to the effect that the SEC was pressuring the former CEO to sell something, said something the SEC questions in the first place...

is that accurate?

Oh boy, I should have re-listened before asking. I thought I heard Simon say that and thought it was rather odd. Just wondered if anyone else heard that?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I'm glad someone else heard the part about sec.wanting Rufus to sell the bonds , for proof it wasn;t fraud, but and I say this carefully because I have not listened to SRP a second time, but I would of sworn that after Rufus hung up his phone, Simon was talking to another caller and said something like, a message has came thru from James Gee stating that the sec.wanted Rufus to sell the bonds, please don't yell at me.yes, I should listen again. Just thought someone else heard this and can confirm or deny. I do not have SPR interview on hand. Thanks and GLTA

yes please someone confirm or deny this...

now if rufus sells all the bonds...what does conversion/shareholders get out of it, if anything?

not following how the "former CEO" is in such a position...
Tex, It was my understanding that this was said while Rufus was ceo, and I'm very confused , Who is our ceo? John or Rufus? I think a pr. from someone in this company needs done asap, to stop alot of this.IMO
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
John is the CEO-

8k was filed....I don't think the SEC would have allowed another "questionable" filing..

Good Night all...

Good Night Stock Momma-

By the way, I vaguely remember what you are referring to about the James Gee - Rufus - Simon thing but not enough to comment on....
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good night Jenna, sweet dreams!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Ocq, these seem like legit concerns to me...

(", and I'm very confused , Who is our ceo? John or Rufus? I think a pr. from someone in this company needs done asap, to stop alot of this.IMO ")

Perhaps Mark can address some?

As I understand it, the SHC exists to facilitate such questions...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Thanks Tex, Goodnight, lights out for me.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
John Arlitt is the CEO. As I understand it by more than 51% of the majority shareholders as validated by the TA per the Corporate BYLAWS.


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Ocq, these seem like legit concerns to me...

(", and I'm very confused , Who is our ceo? John or Rufus? I think a pr. from someone in this company needs done asap, to stop alot of this.IMO ")

Perhaps Mark can address some?

As I understand it, the SHC exists to facilitate such questions...


 
Posted by humble on :
 
A few people are thinking like me as to how we got here... maybe a little reasoning to the madness.

++++++++++++++++++

Rufus: We control a pile of bonds bigger than the GDP of many countries.

SEC: No way. That seems impossible. Show us the money.

Rufus: Well, I can't show you the money but I can show you the account they are in. This account has huge initialization requirements and should at least indicate that my claim is not all that wild.

SEC: Hey, that Euroclear thing is pretty neat. We've never seen that before.

Rufus: You bet your britches its sweet. Its where the big boys play on the global market.

SEC: OK, we'll give you a star but you're not done yet. You said you control the bonds. Go and pull down some credit against them and prove they are really yours.

Rufus: That's not in our busines plan just yet. We need to wait until our first JV is ready to accept the money.

SEC: Do it or else.

Rufus: OK, here is a chunk of money backed by the assets in the Euroclear account. Happy?

SEC: Unbelievable! We never thought you would be able to do that. Ummm...

Rufus: Can I go now. I need to go talk to Simon and tell everyone we are "Ready to Roll".

SEC: Not so fast Little Fella. You said you controlled BILLIONS of dollars in bonds. We want you to show us all of those assets.

Rufus: I can't do that. The bonds are private so you can't see them, and I can't monetize that amount right now because there is no where to put the money yet; it will be done in time just like the other chunk I showed you.

SEC: Makes sense, but... NO DICE! Sell/hypothecate the bonds, all of them, or we will consider you a fraud.

Rufus: I just can't do that. So the only way you will let the company off the hook is is we draw down all of our future potential credit, thereby assuming so much interest that the company will be sunk anyway if it cannot turn those assets around quickly enough?

++++++++++++++++++

In a series of events like this, no one is really wrong. The real hurdle might be te inability of the SEC to see the bonds due to an agreement Rufus signed with the issuer. I don't believe the SEC is intentionally screwing us over, but they seem to be overstepping their jurisdiction in expecting to see, with full tranparency, every minute detail of an asset issued in a foreign market and stored in a foreign institution.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I'm glad someone else heard the part about sec.wanting Rufus to sell the bonds , for proof it wasn;t fraud, but and I say this carefully because I have not listened to SRP a second time, but I would of sworn that after Rufus hung up his phone, Simon was talking to another caller and said something like, a message has came thru from James Gee stating that the sec.wanted Rufus to sell the bonds, please don't yell at me.yes, I should listen again. Just thought someone else heard this and can confirm or deny. I do not have SPR interview on hand. Thanks and GLTA

Ocqueoc
Simon was talking to ntnabguy from hsm when he got a pm from James G.This could be a different guy than your thinking of.Simon quoted James pm as saying the only way the SEC would have been satisfied that it was not fraud is if they sold the actual bond.A drawdown on the asset wasn't good enough.Remember we can't be sure where this guy got his info.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
there was 19 million dollars in a/r on the last quarters audited financials. what has been done to collect it and what has been done to use the 19 million dollars to execute any part of a business plan? bonds or no bonds it seems funny that with 19 million in receivables they can't hire anyone or get anything funded. if the a/r are real then they can factor them to get cash today.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
preposterous: it's a *public* company...transparency's the name of the game.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
transparency's the name of the game and keeping people informed about what is going on is important too, especially now !
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I'm glad someone else heard the part about sec.wanting Rufus to sell the bonds , for proof it wasn;t fraud, but and I say this carefully because I have not listened to SRP a second time, but I would of sworn that after Rufus hung up his phone, Simon was talking to another caller and said something like, a message has came thru from James Gee stating that the sec.wanted Rufus to sell the bonds, please don't yell at me.yes, I should listen again. Just thought someone else heard this and can confirm or deny. I do not have SPR interview on hand. Thanks and GLTA

Ocqueoc
Simon was talking to ntnabguy from hsm when he got a pm from James G.This could be a different guy than your thinking of.Simon quoted James pm as saying the only way the SEC would have been satisfied that it was not fraud is if they sold the actual bond.A drawdown on the asset wasn't good enough.Remember we can't be sure where this guy got his info.

"Remember we can't be sure where this guy got his info."

ya...plus it defies common sense.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
A few people are thinking like me as to how we got here... maybe a little reasoning to the madness.

++++++++++++++++++

Rufus: We control a pile of bonds bigger than the GDP of many countries.

SEC: No way. That seems impossible. Show us the money.

Rufus: Well, I can't show you the money but I can show you the account they are in. This account has huge initialization requirements and should at least indicate that my claim is not all that wild.

SEC: Hey, that Euroclear thing is pretty neat. We've never seen that before.

Rufus: You bet your britches its sweet. Its where the big boys play on the global market.

SEC: OK, we'll give you a star but you're not done yet. You said you control the bonds. Go and pull down some credit against them and prove they are really yours.

Rufus: That's not in our busines plan just yet. We need to wait until our first JV is ready to accept the money.

SEC: Do it or else.

Rufus: OK, here is a chunk of money backed by the assets in the Euroclear account. Happy?

SEC: Unbelievable! We never thought you would be able to do that. Ummm...

Rufus: Can I go now. I need to go talk to Simon and tell everyone we are "Ready to Roll".

SEC: Not so fast Little Fella. You said you controlled BILLIONS of dollars in bonds. We want you to show us all of those assets.

Rufus: I can't do that. The bonds are private so you can't see them, and I can't monetize that amount right now because there is no where to put the money yet; it will be done in time just like the other chunk I showed you.

SEC: Makes sense, but... NO DICE! Sell/hypothecate the bonds, all of them, or we will consider you a fraud.

Rufus: I just can't do that. So the only way you will let the company off the hook is is we draw down all of our future potential credit, thereby assuming so much interest that the company will be sunk anyway if it cannot turn those assets around quickly enough?

++++++++++++++++++

In a series of events like this, no one is really wrong. The real hurdle might be te inability of the SEC to see the bonds due to an agreement Rufus signed with the issuer. I don't believe the SEC is intentionally screwing us over, but they seem to be overstepping their jurisdiction in expecting to see, with full tranparency, every minute detail of an asset issued in a foreign market and stored in a foreign institution.

... In My humble Opinion

Very nice Humble.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
lol, creative, for sure...
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
lol, creative, for sure...

Well, in contrast to the information we have this seem to be plausible. The alternative spin:

A couple of guys spent years setting up a play, gained access to a high-end international clearing institution and then sat back and did nothing at all while the SEC rammed them into the ground, thereby giving all they had worked for to others.

Now THAT story sounds too bizarre to be true.

There are so many unknown things that could have been going on behind the scenes - too many threads that just never tied together. I personally just don't buy that the information we know (or have attempted to deduce) is the whole truth. I am still holding this stock because I am interested in seeing the bigger picture; and I hope we as investors don't somehow muddle that up.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
The most bizarre thing I see...that is absolute...is the fact that THE PUBLIC still doesn't even know what the SEC wants...
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Humble...you just got a star. Nice work, assumptions, yes, but it makes perfect sense.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
The most bizarre thing I see...that is absolute...is the fact that THE PUBLIC still doesn't even know what the SEC wants...

I wonder if the SEC even knows that....or if they are just making it up as they go along.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
FWIW- my Big Board pick is: DROOY

Right now it's at .99

should be at 1.25- 1.34 in a few weeks....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ocqueoc, I heard the same thing on SPR that you heard. If they want that from Conversion they should require it from every other company too. I'd like to hear what there grounds are for that kind of order. [Mad]
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
FWIW- my Big Board pick is: DROOY

Right now it's at .99

should be at 1.25- 1.34 in a few weeks....

LMAO

GO JENNA - PUMP THAT CHIT!!!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
John Arlitt is the CEO. As I understand it by more than 51% of the majority shareholders as validated by the TA per the Corporate BYLAWS.


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Ocq, these seem like legit concerns to me...

(", and I'm very confused , Who is our ceo? John or Rufus? I think a pr. from someone in this company needs done asap, to stop alot of this.IMO ")

Perhaps Mark can address some?

As I understand it, the SHC exists to facilitate such questions...


Thanks Portman, I'm still confused about who the 51% is, but I think alot of people are. I will watch this play out and wish everyone good luck!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Humble ~ Nice post.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Humble that was great. I don't care what anybody says about you. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I certainly will agree that I don't see justice in the SEC telling a company that it has to destroy itself to prove validity.
Rufus has wanted to be seen as a fighter. Start fighting the MoFos.
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
The most bizarre thing I see...that is absolute...is the fact that THE PUBLIC still doesn't even know what the SEC wants...

Thats right it seems like the SEC should have a site shareholders could be able to see exactly what the company has been asked to do.Instead we have to hear it second hand.If they did that we could make up our minds as to what to do about it.That seems like the best way for the SEC to protect shareholders instead we are kept in the dark.But maybe thats where they want us.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
The post from Humble has to be the most creative work of spin-doctoring I've seen on this thread in quite some time ... and THAT'S saying something!
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Good morning everyone .... I have a question for the people that have experience in bonds. This makes no sense to me. We have the Euroclear situation where apparently we need Rufus because he is the only one who has the proper code to get at the bond we own. Do the originators of the bond want an incompetent CEO to control this or am I losing my mind over this? OR .... Do we really own this bond? How do we really know? I respect all of the DD that has been done but if Rufus is the only one that can prove its validity, how do we know for sure? This just doesn't add up for me. Up till now, I thought I had a decent brain; but, this is becoming more and more foolish. If we must keep Rufus around because he is the only person to make it all work, something is very wrong with the system. I DO NOT think he is capable of running a company. Is there a way for CSHD to have the courts order him to give our new CEO the codes (if Rufus is the only one that has them)? I believe a court can order that. In his last SPR appearance, I think he said that it would cost us a lot of money for his help. This is the guy who was looking after all of us and had our "backs". I truly believe that our only hope is to take Rufus to court and demand the necessary codes to get and PROVE the Euroclear bond and to keep him away from further damage he is doing to this company.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I have an idea why doesn't someone call Alana Black & ask her some questions.....ask what they are looking for, what CSHD needs to do to prove ownership of the bond, ask if the current management is cooperating......then maybe things would be clearer.....

Sherri posted a few days ago that she got a letter back from a government official & an attorney from the SEC & that it was quite detailed & only a few people questioned her about it.....maybe some answers are in that letter & if they are willing to answer SHerri's questions I'm sure if someone called they would answer their's too but who knows?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
The most bizarre thing I see...that is absolute...is the fact that THE PUBLIC still doesn't even know what the SEC wants...

Thats right it seems like the SEC should have a site shareholders could be able to see exactly what the company has been asked to do.Instead we have to hear it second hand.If they did that we could make up our minds as to what to do about it.That seems like the best way for the SEC to protect shareholders instead we are kept in the dark.But maybe thats where they want us.
Or third or fourth hand , but you can go on the sec's website and try to figure their reasons out,might have to be a lawyer tho.GLTA
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
The most bizarre thing I see...that is absolute...is the fact that THE PUBLIC still doesn't even know what the SEC wants...

Thats right it seems like the SEC should have a site shareholders could be able to see exactly what the company has been asked to do.Instead we have to hear it second hand.If they did that we could make up our minds as to what to do about it.That seems like the best way for the SEC to protect shareholders instead we are kept in the dark.But maybe thats where they want us.
Even after talking to Alana Black I feel in the dark.

Its like a big he said she said.

I have written her several times to try and clear the mysteries.

blacka*sec.gov
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good morning Jenna {and rest of the board}! Is it cold and snowy for ya? This saga goes on and on , doesn't it? haha not laughing at pps, just better than crying.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
The post from Humble has to be the most creative work of spin-doctoring I've seen on this thread in quite some time ... and THAT'S saying something!

Thank you, Kevin. You would be right except that spin-doctoring involves taking facts and twisting them into a biased delivery. The bottom line is that all we have right now are assumptions and lots of loose ends, no real facts to spin.

I am just having a go at trying to put some practical possibilities out there. This seems to me to be as plausible as the loudly pronounced pump-and-dump via mysterious proxies who can somehow circumvent an SEC/IRS audit. That one had a little Grisham in it, as well.

To each their own opinion.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I have emailed her also...and no response...
she seems to be willing to "talk" but not email...
[Confused]
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
The most bizarre thing I see...that is absolute...is the fact that THE PUBLIC still doesn't even know what the SEC wants...

Thats right it seems like the SEC should have a site shareholders could be able to see exactly what the company has been asked to do.Instead we have to hear it second hand.If they did that we could make up our minds as to what to do about it.That seems like the best way for the SEC to protect shareholders instead we are kept in the dark.But maybe thats where they want us.
Even after talking to Alana Black I feel in the dark.

Its like a big he said she said.

I have written her several times to try and clear the mysteries.

blacka*sec.gov


 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
The post from Humble has to be the most creative work of spin-doctoring I've seen on this thread in quite some time ... and THAT'S saying something!

Thank you, Kevin. You would be right except that spin-doctoring involves taking facts and twisting them into a biased delivery. The bottom line is that all we have right now are assumptions and lots of loose ends, no real facts to spin.

I am just having a go at trying to put some practical possibilities out there. This seems to me to be as plausible as the loudly pronounced pump-and-dump via mysterious proxies who can somehow circumvent an SEC/IRS audit. That one had a little Grisham in it, as well.

To each their own opinion.

... In My humble Opinion

The story you spun was not plausible in any way. You made it up out of whole cloth. Putting "in my humble opinion" after it doesn't change that. As for my theory, pump-and-dump scams by proxy are done all the time in these type of stocks. They're just a sad fact of life when you trade the OTC pennies.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Remember Humble, you may ignore anyone on here, including me, lol
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Remember Humble, you may ignore anyone on here, including me, lol

Especially people who call BS on BS. It's always important to ignore those people.
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
well now do we really think anyone wants to leave a paper trail and get caught???? talk is cheap, as we found out uuuughh!!!!!!!! [Wink]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
thedoctor ~ I think you are putting too much emphasis on the codes when trying to decipher why the company needs Rufas. If it was just codes then the knowledge transfer would be easy. I do not think this is the case. Here is a story:

A retired engineer received a call from his old boss one day and they said they were having problems with one of the components in sector number four. They asked him if he would help them out in diagnosing the issue, since he had spent a majority of his career building the system. The retired engineer said, “Sure if I can charge you for my time and materials I will be in tomorrow”. The old boss agreed.

The next day the engineer arrived a sector four and walked around with the old boss for an hour and using a big piece of chalk marked a large “X” on one of the components. He then turned to his old boss and said, “OK that will be one hundred thousand dollars”. the boss said, “What? You walked around for an hour, put a giant “X” on that component, and charge me one hundred thousand dollars just like that! Even if that part has to be replaced what am I supposed to tell my superiors? Can you give me an itemized list of your expenses?” The retired engineer said, “Fair enough, hold on a second.” He then proceeded to pull out a little notebook, and pencil, scribbled in it for a second, ripped a sheet from the pad and handed it and the previously used piece of chalk to the old boss.

The shocked boss then read the piece of paper. It said, “ One piece of chalk = $1.00. Knowing where to put the “X” = $99,999.”

This is all speculation but from my observations this is what I saw.

Thing is I believe that the Euroclear account was obtained by Rufas and Ben through their unknown Caracus Group/European contacts. I think the Account was setup in a fashion similar to a loan co-signer. When Mike Alexander became CEO it was priority to get him to Europe to meet the contacts. I think this was like a “giant” credit check in that they needed to meet the new CEO Rufas hand picked to agree to back him. I think the Europe trip did not happen because it did not need too. The contact in Europe was not impressed with something he saw in Mike and Mike was not going to be able to monetize the bonds and gave up his CEO position.

Now enters John Arlitt. He takes control of the company by force and has little backing from Rufas because he could not wait for Rufas to get a shareholder vote together to vote him in. He now has to qualify for this backing with the Caracus Group/European contacts without even knowing who they are and little support from Rufas in the way of introductions. I think Rufas is saying that it will be very difficult for John Arlitt to obtain the backing needed and knowledge of the Euroclear system that He and Ben have developed over the last several years and have right now when the company needs it.

They are the retired engineers in this deal. John may be able to pull it off, he has surprised Rufas so far by getting the SEC filing done, so maybe in effect he has already received the backing of the unknown Caracus Group/European contacts. Like I said before this is one crazy play and from our perspective I do not think we will ever see just what is happening below the surface. Lot’s of speculation here I know, but who on this board is not grasping at straws? The “big” picture is very blurry. GLTA Sorry again for the long post. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
thedoctor ~ I think you are putting too much emphasis on the codes when trying to decipher why the company needs Rufas. If it was just codes then the knowledge transfer would be easy. I do not think this is the case. Here is a story:

A retired engineer received a call from his old boss one day and they said they were having problems with one of the components in sector number four. They asked him if he would help them out in diagnosing the issue, since he had spent a majority of his career building the system. The retired engineer said, “Sure if I can charge you for my time and materials I will be in tomorrow”. The old boss agreed.

The next day the engineer arrived a sector four and walked around with the old boss for an hour and using a big piece of chalk marked a large “X” on one of the components. He then turned to his old boss and said, “OK that will be one hundred thousand dollars”. the boss said, “What? You walked around for an hour, put a giant “X” on that component, and charge me one hundred thousand dollars just like that! Even if that part has to be replaced what am I supposed to tell my superiors? Can you give me an itemized list of your expenses?” The retired engineer said, “Fair enough, hold on a second.” He then proceeded to pull out a little notebook, and pencil, scribbled in it for a second, ripped a sheet from the pad and handed it and the previously used piece of chalk to the old boss.

The shocked boss then read the piece of paper. It said, “ One piece of chalk = $1.00. Knowing where to put the “X” = $99,999.”

This is all speculation but from my observations this is what I saw.

Thing is I believe that the Euroclear account was obtained by Rufas and Ben through their unknown Caracus Group/European contacts. I think the Account was setup in a fashion similar to a loan co-signer. When Mike Alexander became CEO it was priority to get him to Europe to meet the contacts. I think this was like a “giant” credit check in that they needed to meet the new CEO Rufas hand picked to agree to back him. I think the Europe trip did not happen because it did not need too. The contact in Europe was not impressed with something he saw in Mike and Mike was not going to be able to monetize the bonds and gave up his CEO position.

Now enters John Arlitt. He takes control of the company by force and has little backing from Rufas because he could not wait for Rufas to get a shareholder vote together to vote him in. He now has to qualify for this backing with the Caracus Group/European contacts without even knowing who they are and little support from Rufas in the way of introductions. I think Rufas is saying that it will be very difficult for John Arlitt to obtain the backing needed and knowledge of the Euroclear system that He and Ben have developed over the last several years and have right now when the company needs it.

They are the retired engineers in this deal. John may be able to pull it off, he has surprised Rufas so far by getting the SEC filing done, so maybe in effect he has already received the backing of the unknown Caracus Group/European contacts. Like I said before this is one crazy play and from our perspective I do not think we will ever see just what is happening below the surface. Lot’s of speculation here I know, but who on this board is not grasping at straws? The “big” picture is very blurry. GLTA Sorry again for the long post. [Big Grin]

Tax ...... Thanks for your ideas. They are always appreciated. [Smile]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
IMO..rufus needs to pull down on a small bond, do his time, and thats it....he deserves to do time, imagine how much money hes cost people! imagine the handful of people who put all they had into cshd.....because of these huge promises
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Remember Humble, you may ignore anyone on here, including me, lol

Of course I made that exchange up - I thought that was pretty obvious. In the absence of any updates or facts the last several days worth of posts have been banter and assumptions.

All possibilities on the table right now are in play as far as I am concerned, which necessarily makes everything plausible. Anyone who claims to be able to draw a conclusion as to where this company stands right now is grasping at the same smoke as the rest of us, only with a somewhat more closed mind.

If my mind were made up as to the future and that future was bleak I would liquidate and move on. At this point, there are a lot of questions that deserve an answer. For me, this thing could break either way as the story continues to write itself.

And besides, the banter of every opinion is what makes public forums like this interesting.

... In My humble opinion
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
IMO..rufus needs to pull down on a small bond, do his time, and thats it....he deserves to do time, imagine how much money hes cost people! imagine the handful of people who put all they had into cshd.....because of these huge promises

Rufus may have made some huge promises, but as i recall, he never told anyone to put their life savings, mortgages, second mortgages, daughters, wives or husbands [Big Grin] , into this stock. Anyone who did that is just a plain idiotl
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I just think if it was just the "codes" then this would be done. Rufus is and always has acted IMO like a person who is answering to someone else. Someone larger is pulling the strings, and it gives Rufus confidence having this person's or group's backing.

To the point in fact that he even acts arrogant in the face of Federal Law. I would love to see his phone records. I would bet he has a very large International bill.

Once again speculation, but it is better than reading Kevin's spin all day. He is a tireless savior of the people. "BS on BS" LOL!
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
thedoctor ~ I think you are putting too much emphasis on the codes when trying to decipher why the company needs Rufas. If it was just codes then the knowledge transfer would be easy. I do not think this is the case. Here is a story:

A retired engineer received a call from his old boss one day and they said they were having problems with one of the components in sector number four. They asked him if he would help them out in diagnosing the issue, since he had spent a majority of his career building the system. The retired engineer said, “Sure if I can charge you for my time and materials I will be in tomorrow”. The old boss agreed.

The next day the engineer arrived a sector four and walked around with the old boss for an hour and using a big piece of chalk marked a large “X” on one of the components. He then turned to his old boss and said, “OK that will be one hundred thousand dollars”. the boss said, “What? You walked around for an hour, put a giant “X” on that component, and charge me one hundred thousand dollars just like that! Even if that part has to be replaced what am I supposed to tell my superiors? Can you give me an itemized list of your expenses?” The retired engineer said, “Fair enough, hold on a second.” He then proceeded to pull out a little notebook, and pencil, scribbled in it for a second, ripped a sheet from the pad and handed it and the previously used piece of chalk to the old boss.

The shocked boss then read the piece of paper. It said, “ One piece of chalk = $1.00. Knowing where to put the “X” = $99,999.”

This is all speculation but from my observations this is what I saw.

Thing is I believe that the Euroclear account was obtained by Rufas and Ben through their unknown Caracus Group/European contacts. I think the Account was setup in a fashion similar to a loan co-signer. When Mike Alexander became CEO it was priority to get him to Europe to meet the contacts. I think this was like a “giant” credit check in that they needed to meet the new CEO Rufas hand picked to agree to back him. I think the Europe trip did not happen because it did not need too. The contact in Europe was not impressed with something he saw in Mike and Mike was not going to be able to monetize the bonds and gave up his CEO position.

Now enters John Arlitt. He takes control of the company by force and has little backing from Rufas because he could not wait for Rufas to get a shareholder vote together to vote him in. He now has to qualify for this backing with the Caracus Group/European contacts without even knowing who they are and little support from Rufas in the way of introductions. I think Rufas is saying that it will be very difficult for John Arlitt to obtain the backing needed and knowledge of the Euroclear system that He and Ben have developed over the last several years and have right now when the company needs it.

They are the retired engineers in this deal. John may be able to pull it off, he has surprised Rufas so far by getting the SEC filing done, so maybe in effect he has already received the backing of the unknown Caracus Group/European contacts. Like I said before this is one crazy play and from our perspective I do not think we will ever see just what is happening below the surface. Lot’s of speculation here I know, but who on this board is not grasping at straws? The “big” picture is very blurry. GLTA Sorry again for the long post. [Big Grin]

Well I agree with your post Tax, but IMO I think Rufus should be doing everything in his power to make sure this COMPANY succeeds. I don't care how John became CEO, what pisses me off is Rufus is acting like a 2 yr old. He has done a lot of dumb-ass stuff and made a lot of promises that he hasn't fulfilled. I hope John continues to take care of business and I hope both of them keep the SHAREHOLDERS interest in mind. I don't think that John is naive to the Euroclear system. JMHO
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Where is the News about 3 SEC attorneys are run over by a garbage truck, loaded in and carried away while entering an Atlanta court building. Thats what i'd like to know.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Cassity ~ agreed... but everyone gets their feelings hurt. I think Rufas was a bit blind sided by John, and I am not so sure Rufas was also blind sided by his contacts.

So he is reacting like anyone else who gets forced out of the game or benched by the coach. They get mad and claim that the coach was stupid and the team can't win without them, in hopes of being right and let back in.

In all reality it is about the team and the game. let's just hope he is not selfdestructive enough to take the whole team down with him, and let's hope he starts helping out again by doing what he can. He is a star player, and a key shareholder even today. It is just time for him to spend a bit of time on the bench and let some others run the offense for a while.

Anyone else miffed that one of our major shareholders, and most vocal board players turned out to be owner of a financial institution, with key CEO experience? Coincidence?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Is anyone trying to trade this?

I'm still waiting for .20 to kick in my buy. No Luck but it's at .21 now. Common! %#**it [Eek!]
FINALLY! And my mighty 2500 share buy at .20 each required 2 seperate transactions. Oh, and yes, now the price is at .17. [Roll Eyes]

Now we just need some good news or a PR. I think it is being proven that the SEC is hunting snipe and hasn't really been able to find anything.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Where is the News about 3 SEC attorneys are run over by a garbage truck, loaded in and carried away while entering an Atlanta court building. Thats what i'd like to know.

Don't forget about the 4th SEC attourney who was seen chasing the ambulance as it left the seen. [Big Grin]

Let the black helicopters come after me!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good post, Cass......

Think about this - Rufus' lack of a lawyer already has put the company in default, and his FURTHER lack of a lawyer would have made the default unanswered for good resulting in the SEC taking over the company - ask yourself was that Rufus' plan...? Why? I say thank high heaven that the SHC recommended that he be removed because he was heading the company right into SEC receivership....We should all be thanking the SHC & the 51% of the shareholders (whoever they are)for what they have done...It seems like Rufus wanted this over for some reason...Why? Did he feel that if it went into receivership he would be off the hook somehow? Then he could go back & sue the SEC? I have no idea...but I think somehow this will come to an end soon one way or the other...I'm holding out just to see how far John can take it.....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
[Eek!] Not miffed...but very curious...

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:

Anyone else miffed that one of our major shareholders, and most vocal board players turned out to be owner of a financial institution, with key CEO experience? Coincidence?


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I thought there was only 3. Maybe the 4th fell into the gutter drain. Washed away with the rest of the $hit.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
OK, I had my fun back to business.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I want to know what people think Rufus' plan was?

I think it is laughable that John is made out to be a "highjacker"....I believe we will be thanking him....

SO I ask what was Rufus' plan- where was the lawyer?

Oh that's right he's still in Europe on vacation....but I thought that he had many on retainer? Oh, wait he's looking for his "bulldog"...but he met with a lawyer on some Monday afternoon about 3 weeks ago..I thought he liked him...Why didn't he retain him? Oh, wait he doesn't need one...he has friends in high places & they are going to come swooping down any minute and save him from the court system....yeah I guess he doesn't need a lawyer even though the judge told him he needed one- What does the judge know anyway? He's only the judge.....

So what was Rufus' plan? Anybody know? Can anybody answer this?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I want to know what people think Rufus' plan was?

I think it is laughable that John is made out to be a "highjacker"....I believe we will be thanking him....

SO I ask what was Rufus' plan- where was the lawyer?

Oh that's right he's still in Europe on vacation....but I thought that he had many on retainer? Oh, wait he's looking for his "bulldog"...but he met with a lawyer on some Monday afternoon about 3 weeks ago..I thought he liked him...Why didn't he retain him? Oh, wait he doesn't need one...he has friends in high places & they are going to come swooping down any minute and save him from the court system....yeah I guess he doesn't need a lawyer even though the judge told him he needed one- What does the judge know anyway? He's only the judge.....

So what was Rufus' plan? Anybody know? Can anybody answer this?

My only comment Jenna is that for some unexplained reason Rufus wanted/wants to drag this thing out.

I think he feels that in due time all the questions will answer themselves.

I don't quite understand the buying of time in this case but I believe he has a reason for it.

In the mean time we wait.....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Jenna, what Rufus is actually doing is anybodies guess as far as i'm concerned. He does'nt seem to want any one to have solid facts about anything lately, his remarks are so contradictory.
The big powers in the background theory seems weak. I don't see or hear much being donee to end the bottleneck in moving along here.
To me the whole thing is a mystery.
One thing that seems to have a lot of evidence is Rufus is breaking his rule of treating this stock with the pennystock mentality, where he seems to be holding onto it loosely, versus fighting nail and tooth to prove it. Thats my best shot at it.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I didn't get the feeling fron the SPR that Rufus was "mad/upset" with John becoming CEO...I'm not sure that Rufus wanted it anymore...
I got the feeling that the anger and disappointment from Rufus was directed at the SHC...a group put in place by him and at his request...
John could very well be the best choice for this mess...Does anyone know if John ever made it to the states yet?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Big powers in the background? Big connections? Anyone remember where that "rumor" came from?
I do remember that Rufus said that he had investors once this was at $5...
BUT the 'big connections to powerful people??? He didn't state that..anyone recall who did?
Tax...do you remember?

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Jenna, what Rufus is actually doing is anybodies guess as far as i'm concerned. He does'nt seem to want any one to have solid facts about anything lately, his remarks are so contradictory.
The big powers in the background theory seems weak. I don't see or hear much being donee to end the bottleneck in moving along here.
To me the whole thing is a mystery.
One thing that seems to have a lot of evidence is Rufus is breaking his rule of treating this stock with the pennystock mentality, where he seems to be holding onto it loosely, versus fighting nail and tooth to prove it. Thats my best shot at it.


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10- I hope that's the case- I hope he wasn't mad at John because we really need them to work together- I think Surfer said that the other day that would be the best possible senario......

This whole thing is so bizzare....
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
RPH has a lawyer- its Maurice Bennett. He is handling his other BBAN related lawsuit. Which was actually yesterday, wonder how that turned out??
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10- Tut said that Rufus had powerful connections- he must - because somehow he got the bonds but I don't think these powerful connections are going save him from court - I think he has to do that himself- His egos getting in the way....

I do believe that Rufus' inital intentions were good but somehow he became lost when his ego got in the way - perhaps because he has connections he felt invincible but that is not always the case....I hope he defends himself properly because if he doesn't he may be in trouble even if he doesn't deserve it.....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
There late for the party? Not concerned? Must remain anonymous? Don't exist?
Thats right.


quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Big powers in the background? Big connections? Anyone remember where that "rumor" came from?
I do remember that Rufus said that he had investors once this was at $5...
BUT the 'big connections to powerful people??? He didn't state that..anyone recall who did?
Tax...do you remember?

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Jenna, what Rufus is actually doing is anybodies guess as far as i'm concerned. He does'nt seem to want any one to have solid facts about anything lately, his remarks are so contradictory.
The big powers in the background theory seems weak. I don't see or hear much being donee to end the bottleneck in moving along here.
To me the whole thing is a mystery.
One thing that seems to have a lot of evidence is Rufus is breaking his rule of treating this stock with the pennystock mentality, where he seems to be holding onto it loosely, versus fighting nail and tooth to prove it. Thats my best shot at it.



 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
RPH has a lawyer- its Maurice Bennett. He is handling his other BBAN related lawsuit. Which was actually yesterday, wonder how that turned out??

Good!! Now he can use him for his case between him & the SEC- I wish him luck...I hope Maurice Bennet answers the default for Rufus....
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Good post:

Originally Posted by TonySoprano
This will be Tony Soprano's last post on HSM. Rather than simply disappear, I have chosen to leave on a positive note by saying that the company is in good hands, that the business plan is sound, and that all shareholders should take heart in the positive changes that have been made.

IMO, It willl take some time to bring shareholders the success that was promised by the former CEO and then taken away by his irresponsible acts. I don't have a specific timetable in mind but think it is more likely to be months, not years, days, or weeks. All of you need to be patient, to stop or reduce the rampant speculation that infests this and other stock boards, to sit back and take a deep breath, to know that those involved in operating the company have shareholders best interests at heart, and that life isn't necessarily a big conspiracy.

All of us who invested in this company were led down the path of quick rewards by a hustler who had little if any regard for the shareholders. I was just as stupid for buying into those claims as everyone else who now owns shares, probably more so because I've been in the business world longer than most of you and should know better. The unfortunate thing is that there was so much misleading information available to all of us that is was easy, unless your level of natural skepticism was high enough, to fall into this trap. But, like each of us, I have to take full responsibility for my actions.

I realized on October 24th that the former CEO was not to be trusted; every subsequent event continues to validate that belief. I've seen this before in both the business world and in personal life-you place trust in someone, that trust is violated, and, when you eventually figure it out, the end result is that you see much more evidence that you had chosen to overlook while you were trusting. So I don't need to be an insider to know that by the time this is over each of you will have joined me there and the list seems to grow each and every day.

I pride myself on being a straight shooter and continue to be a shareholder and have not sold a single share since the 10K was filed on October 16th. I trust John and his management team (which I am sure will be enhanced as time goes on) to resolve the issues blocking the success of the company, mostly self induced by the former CEO, and return the shareholder value abruptly taken away by the actions and inactions of the former CEO.

My last piece of advice to everyone that reads this board is to not continue to waste your time either speculating about what may happen or trying to spin past events into a framework of a convoluted plan that is supposed to bring down the bad guys and make all of us winners; what has happened is over, it was not good for us, and our only chance (although a good one) is that the new management team does the right things for the company and shareholders from this point forward. I wish all of us the best, and appreciate the way I have been accepted on HSM even if my stay has been rather brief.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
That must be a very important case.
This billion dollar crap can wait.


quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
RPH has a lawyer- its Maurice Bennett. He is handling his other BBAN related lawsuit. Which was actually yesterday, wonder how that turned out??


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Tony's taking it hard leaving and all.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
RPH has a lawyer- its Maurice Bennett. He is handling his other BBAN related lawsuit. Which was actually yesterday, wonder how that turned out??

Good!! Now he can use him for his case between him & the SEC- I wish him luck...I hope Maurice Bennet answers the default for Rufus....
personaly ( if he scammed us all ) I hope he loses evrything he has! house,ranch,car,pick-up everything! AND goes straight to jail!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I know one thing for sure. I need to retire and buy a stick of chalk.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
As Jenna suggested...Tut was the one that created the rumor of Rufus's connections...

Here lies my "problem/concern"...
If Tut/John fealt that these connections were there...
If Tut/John thought the bonds and assets were there...
How is it that tut/John was able to "rally the troops" for CSHD...AND then somehow Tut/John was able to convince all of these major shareholders/message board players that Rufus wasn't doing this right...AND that he was a "con"?
MAYBE it wasn't TUT...but the SHC?
The point I am trying to make? things don't add up...I can't decide if it is John or if it is THE PLAYERS on the SHC...
BUT...Rufus can't be a "con" AND have the bonds...IMO...
I do not know what Rufus was planning...or why he did things the way that he did...Bennett has been his lawyer since back in July or August..can't remember...but he has been in the picture...
This deal with John and the SHC...and now everyone calling Rufus a con? makes no sense in my head...
How can Rufus be a con AND hold the bonds? why did John take over if this wasn't real...
WHAT THE HELL IS THE REAL GAME?

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
[Eek!] Not miffed...but very curious...

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:

Anyone else miffed that one of our major shareholders, and most vocal board players turned out to be owner of a financial institution, with key CEO experience? Coincidence?



 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
10of13 ~ Tut brought up the "big behind the sceens powers" but the DD and words of the CEO confirmed it. I have heard comments about Ambassadors, and have found Ambassadors with connections. I have heard of the Caracas Group mentioned and reseached PDVSA and other groups out Caracas like CAF. We do not see any direct ties to the bilderbergers or Trilateral. I am not speaking of them, but speculation has brought them into the picture by Tut our current CEO if doubt about the speculation is raised.

Is there big money behind this. IMO yep. Is it going to save us? IMO it cares about it self not us. If what ever it decides to do just happens to save us in the process so be it. I like Tony's post. He seems pretty confident in the new Administration for CSHD. It is a thumbs up if you ask me.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
I have given up on trying to make sense out of all of this crap....I'm just going to wait and let the story unfold on it's own and put my attention towards REAL money making stocks. [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
As Jenna suggested...Tut was the one that created the rumor of Rufus's connections...

Here lies my "problem/concern"...
If Tut/John fealt that these connections were there...
If Tut/John thought the bonds and assets were there...
How is it that tut/John was able to "rally the troops" for CSHD...AND then somehow Tut/John was able to convince all of these major shareholders/message board players that Rufus wasn't doing this right...AND that he was a "con"?
MAYBE it wasn't TUT...but the SHC?
The point I am trying to make? things don't add up...I can't decide if it is John or if it is THE PLAYERS on the SHC...
BUT...Rufus can't be a "con" AND have the bonds...IMO...
I do not know what Rufus was planning...or why he did things the way that he did...Bennett has been his lawyer since back in July or August..can't remember...but he has been in the picture...
This deal with John and the SHC...and now everyone calling Rufus a con? makes no sense in my head...
How can Rufus be a con AND hold the bonds? why did John take over if this wasn't real...
WHAT THE HELL IS THE REAL GAME?

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
[Eek!] Not miffed...but very curious...

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:

Anyone else miffed that one of our major shareholders, and most vocal board players turned out to be owner of a financial institution, with key CEO experience? Coincidence?



I think it that the most likely possibilty is that Rufus is a con and the bonds just might not be what we think they are. That makes the most sense if we are looking for what makes the most sense.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I know one thing for sure. I need to retire and buy a stick of chalk.

LMAO!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
10 thats a good question.

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
As Jenna suggested...Tut was the one that created the rumor of Rufus's connections...

Here lies my "problem/concern"...
If Tut/John fealt that these connections were there...
If Tut/John thought the bonds and assets were there...
How is it that tut/John was able to "rally the troops" for CSHD...AND then somehow Tut/John was able to convince all of these major shareholders/message board players that Rufus wasn't doing this right...AND that he was a "con"?
MAYBE it wasn't TUT...but the SHC?
The point I am trying to make? things don't add up...I can't decide if it is John or if it is THE PLAYERS on the SHC...
BUT...Rufus can't be a "con" AND have the bonds...IMO...
I do not know what Rufus was planning...or why he did things the way that he did...Bennett has been his lawyer since back in July or August..can't remember...but he has been in the picture...
This deal with John and the SHC...and now everyone calling Rufus a con? makes no sense in my head...
How can Rufus be a con AND hold the bonds? why did John take over if this wasn't real...
WHAT THE HELL IS THE REAL GAME?
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
[Eek!] Not miffed...but very curious...

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:

Anyone else miffed that one of our major shareholders, and most vocal board players turned out to be owner of a financial institution, with key CEO experience? Coincidence?




 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
BUMP

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Anyone remember this story?- I remember it from when I was a kid.....

*************************************************
The Scorpion & the Turtle...

A scorpion, being a very poor swimmer, asked a turtle to carry him on his back across a river. "Are you mad?" exclaimed the turtle. "You'll sting me while I'm swimming and I'll drown."

"My dear turtle," laughed the scorpion, "if I were to sting you, you would drown and I would go down with you. Now where is the logic in that?"

"You're right!" cried the turtle. "Hop on!" The scorpion climbed aboard and halfway across the river gave the turtle a mighty sting. As they both sank to the bottom, the turtle resignedly said:

"Do you mind if I ask you something? You said there'd be no logic in your stinging me. Why did you do it?"

"It has nothing to do with logic," the drowning scorpion sadly replied. "It's just my character."

*************************************************


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Doc? I may have to agree there...
If this is a scam? It's a scam...oh well let's move on...
If it's the chance of a life time...Great..gimme the $
but this "well maybe...crap"..good lord give me a gun...!

As Cat pointed out..let's all buy some chalk...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I think I'm going to go into selling chalk...

Chalk anyone?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Does the CVSU website come up for anybody? Thers talk that the JV page is blank, but I can't get the website to look.
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
morning folks. whats new?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna's selling chalk...
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
morning folks. whats new?


 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Does the CVSU website come up for anybody? Thers talk that the JV page is blank, but I can't get the website to look.

Doesn't work for me either. Tried cvsu.us and waatle.com and neither work.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
maybe that means blank [Smile]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Here is what I get...

The following content is under review by the Board of Directors

Financial Maintenance

We are very selective of our business models and are only selecting models that are capable of financially sustaining large national infrastructure programs such as Education Reform, National Transportation Infrastructure and Electrification Reform.


Current Joint Venture Corporations

American International Smart Structures

Brittenum Brothers Entertainment, Inc.

Rocky Road Records, Inc.

Seko Management Inc.


Current Subsidiaries

Tserof Holdings Inc

CVSU Coffee Shop

Equine Solutions Inc.

Stargate Productions, Inc.


Merger Subsidiaries

Live Mortgage Free

Federal Chamber of Commerce

Center State Beverage

Point Click and Dream

InfinityOne Inc.

Amruss Group, LLC

LoanShoppers.com



quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Does the CVSU website come up for anybody? Thers talk that the JV page is blank, but I can't get the website to look.

Doesn't work for me either. Tried cvsu.us and waatle.com and neither work.

 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Does the CVSU website come up for anybody? Thers talk that the JV page is blank, but I can't get the website to look.

The site comes up but the charters and jv page does not.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
PM Jenna-
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
I don't get the chalk thing. What's that all about? Some type of body outline?
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
I don't get the chalk thing. What's that all about? Some type of body outline?

Taxback posted this

A retired engineer received a call from his old boss one day and they said they were having problems with one of the components in sector number four. They asked him if he would help them out in diagnosing the issue, since he had spent a majority of his career building the system. The retired engineer said, “Sure if I can charge you for my time and materials I will be in tomorrow”. The old boss agreed.

The next day the engineer arrived a sector four and walked around with the old boss for an hour and using a big piece of chalk marked a large “X” on one of the components. He then turned to his old boss and said, “OK that will be one hundred thousand dollars”. the boss said, “What? You walked around for an hour, put a giant “X” on that component, and charge me one hundred thousand dollars just like that! Even if that part has to be replaced what am I supposed to tell my superiors? Can you give me an itemized list of your expenses?” The retired engineer said, “Fair enough, hold on a second.” He then proceeded to pull out a little notebook, and pencil, scribbled in it for a second, ripped a sheet from the pad and handed it and the previously used piece of chalk to the old boss.

The shocked boss then read the piece of paper. It said, “ One piece of chalk = $1.00. Knowing where to put the “X” = $99,999.”
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I can't get the website to work either. Hopefully they are making some changes for the better.

Do be honest with yall, most of the JV's listed I could care less about. I think lots of them are just Bennet's little deals (the entertainment stuff at least).
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I know one thing for sure. I need to retire and buy a stick of chalk.

LOL, post of the day for me! At last, someone brought some laughs to the board. I think We all needed that!
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
lol. I need some chalk myself, and I'd put the X right on Rufus' forehead.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Jenna I hope you're still in PBLS!!

That was the one pic of mine that didn't take off last week, is now!

CSHD continues to plague me!

Anyone for a road trip to John's place?... [Big Grin]
I want a PR....

Squeeze it out John!!! [Smile] lol ~
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Does anyone here have Alana Black's phone number? I am going to try to call in one of my favors to get the answers as to what is really needed with our case. I am not even sure that legally they can tell us.I can see that lots of people here are just as frustrated as I am and we definitely need some answers. Once we get them and they aren't given to the SEC, we need to go in a very different direction. I will never be convinced that the SEC is at war with CSHD. This may make several of you upset but I just don't believe that the SEC is trying to screw us. I think John is trying to pull us out of this problem but I hope that it is not an impossible task. We may have to consider a class action law suite in the near future. Very near future.
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
I don't think people on the SHC have made any comment about Rufus being a CON. Some how in Rufus's crazy ass head I think he honestly thought that receivership was the best thing, and that through a long drawn out court case, WE (the shareholders) would receive our payment. I think that the SHC, John, and other MAJOR shareholders said BULLSHIZNIT! John has done some positive things thus far, and we all just need to sit back and let the company take care of business. I have spoken to several of the SHC board and to make allegations that they have done anything wrong is BS. I trust several of them, more than most on these boards. Portman and James are good people and I will continue to trust them, until they give me a reason not to. This is JMO. GLTA
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
A class action lawsuit just isn't worthwhile until we know FOR CERTAIN...that this is a total scam...until then...it just doesn't make sense...that would be like watching a M. Night Shyamalan movie and turning it off with twenty minutes to go...
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Will Rufus be home for the holidays?

 -
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Whoa ... Let me clarify myself. I completely trust and respect the SHC. I think they have our interests at heart. I also believe in John . My problem is that I don't believe in Rufus. I believed in him for quite some time but his actions since the entry of the SEC investigation are to me VERY suspect. In fact several of my associates that are corporate lawyers look at this and every one of them shake their heads and say it smells of a scam. It was just not being addressed properly by Rufus. I am going to stay in this till the end. I really care about everyone here and it is extremely upsetting to see what's happened to our company. We can hope for a miracle and if it doesn't come go after Rufus. I believed him till just recently.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
A class action lawsuit just isn't worthwhile until we know FOR CERTAIN...that this is a total scam...until then...it just doesn't make sense...that would be like watching a M. Night Shyamalan movie and turning it off with twenty minutes to go...

You are right .... just thinking ahead a bit. [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Whoa ... Let me clarify myself. I completely trust and respect the SHC. I think they have our interests at heart. I also believe in John . My problem is that I don't believe in Rufus. I believed in him for quite some time but his actions since the entry of the SEC investigation are to me VERY suspect. In fact several of my associates that are corporate lawyers look at this and every one of them shake their heads and say it smells of a scam. It was just not being addressed properly by Rufus. I am going to stay in this till the end. I really care about everyone here and it is extremely upsetting to see what's happened to our company. We can hope for a miracle and if it doesn't come ..... go after Rufus. I believed him till just recently.


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Does anyone here have Alana Black's phone number? I am going to try to call in one of my favors to get the answers as to what is really needed with our case. I am not even sure that legally they can tell us.I can see that lots of people here are just as frustrated as I am and we definitely need some answers. Once we get them and they aren't given to the SEC, we need to go in a very different direction. I will never be convinced that the SEC is at war with CSHD. This may make several of you upset but I just don't believe that the SEC is trying to screw us. I think John is trying to pull us out of this problem but I hope that it is not an impossible task. We may have to consider a class action law suite in the near future. Very near future.

Alana Black
1-404-842-7678
blacka*sec.gov

William P. Hicks
1-404-842-7635
Hicksw*SEC.gov
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Thanks Surfer ...... I will try to get something out of this.
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Thanks Surfer ...... I will try to get some out of this.

What do you mean by "get some"??

[Eek!] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Stock - Stop - that's my DAD - I don't want to hear about his "getting some" YUCK!!!! [Eek!] [Confused] [Eek!]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Thanks Surfer ...... I will try to get some out of this.

What do you mean by "get some"??

[Eek!] [Big Grin]

Sorry edited it ... meant something [Smile]
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
lol
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Dad - you hanging with the young ladies again? [Big Grin] j/k (don't answer that)
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
She's not in the office..... I'll try later [Frown]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
She sounds very young (Alana) [Smile] ... I say that in a very respectful manner.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Dad- Stop that you old sly cat you.....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
PORTMAN, can you get our new CEO to disclose to us whether or not the bonds are legit and quit the screwing around guessing game. We all put up money to know what this company is about and has to offer. I think this is a legitimate request. Thank you much.
Your mailbox is full.
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
PORTMAN, can you get our new CEO to disclose to us whether or not the bonds are legit and quit the screwing around guessing game. We all put up money to know what this company is about and has to offer. I think this is a legitimate request. Thank you much.
Your mailbox is full.

I second that!
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
a watch'n & a wait'n ... as long as Rufus and all have "got shares" it stands to reason people will come together for a beneficial outcome, IMO.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Stock - Stop - that's my DAD - I don't want to hear about his "getting some" YUCK!!!! [Eek!] [Confused] [Eek!]

I just burst out laughing after that!
LOL ~

Thanks, I must have looked like an azz!! ha ha ~~

Thanks for going an extra mile today for us doc!
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
Hey I did a little bit more DD on the ICE (theice.com)company we uncovered in all of this decided it looked pretty good (a little pricey as well) up 7% and growing today. It would be nice if this Atlanta connection really had something to do with CSHD.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
PORTMAN, can you get our new CEO to disclose to us whether or not the bonds are legit and quit the screwing around guessing game. We all put up money to know what this company is about and has to offer. I think this is a legitimate request. Thank you much.
Your mailbox is full.

I second that!
I third it!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Hey Doc, i look at it like this. If Rufus was a simple (or complex) conman then Arlitt and the SHC would have nothing to work with right? Did Rufus make some mistakes in regards to the SEC investigation and possibly countless other activities? Maybe so, its hard to say being on the outside looking in. But, if we start calling Rufus a conman then i feel we may be denying the foundation our company is built on, and thats verrrry bad IMO.

I feel your frustration and i hope....reeeeeallly hope that Rufus is not a conman but a guy thats not cut out to be a CEO and got in WAY over his head with the SEC. Its possible, I suppose, that Rufus Paul Harris himself may have grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail.

As the days go by it seems that im just gonna have to get comfy with the idea of Tut running the show with our SHC supporting him in his role.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey Doc, i look at it like this. If Rufus was a simple (or complex) conman then Arlitt and the SHC would have nothing to work with right? Did Rufus make some mistakes in regards to the SEC investigation and possibly countless other activities? Maybe so, its hard to say being on the outside looking in. But, if we start calling Rufus a conman then i feel we may be denying the foundation our company is built on, and thats verrrry bad IMO.


I feel your frustration and i hope....reeeeeallly hope that Rufus is not a conman but a guy thats not cut out to be a CEO and got in WAY over his head with the SEC. Its possible, I suppose, that Rufus Paul Harris himself may have grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail.

As the days go by it seems that im just gonna have to get comfy with the idea of Tut running the show with our SHC supporting him in his role.

Quit rambling and get on board!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Arlitt run company good.
No say anything bad.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Haha diggy, im a slow learner.

I guess someone needs to pass around the "new" brand of koolaide again. I missed it on the first pass. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Thats OK so am I.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Nah...you're just trying to make sense out of total confusion...

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Haha diggy, im a slow learner.

I guess someone needs to pass around the "new" brand of koolaide again. I missed it on the first pass. [Big Grin]


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Hit the big .16 today!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Sen. Grassley is fighting mad at the SEC.

http://www.forbes.com/business/2006/12/05/congress-hedge-funds-sec-biz-cx_lm_120 5hedge.html
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
"The more I look, the more troubled I get," said Grassley, who also chairs the Senate Finance Committee

keep sending your letters to the Senate and the House...

remember: it doesn't matter WHO is naked short-selling...

the fact is? it's being done and there is no excuse for it...

everybody has a theory about who does it, but the bottom line is that it can only be stopped if people tell their elected officials they want something done to stop it...
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
St Matt....if you are there check your pm box!!
 
Posted by jmoestinks on :
 
I'm not a stock guy, i'm into real estate but here is my pathetic shot at addind some DD to this thread instead of making fun of my boys Kevy and Jmoe. You DD guys might think its absurd or you mightmake something out of, all a shot in the dark so here you go.

Rufie said figure out why the shares of CSHD are in the Euroclear account and you will find all your answers. Here are some thoughts.

Back in the FHAL/CVSU/ and early CSHD days Rufie said they were buying up all the float. No idea how much that was but it was probably alot. Now the date on the Euroclear for submitting those shares was Oct 9th about a week before that Oct 16th deadline for the 6:1 announcement. He said that the shares would be submitted early Nov. Now if the bonds were real and the company had to prove 200 million in assests to pull money from the bonds then they could use the shares as assests. If you look at the stock price in and around the 9th it was about $2-2.40 i think. If the amount of shares submitted to Euroclear was 100 million or so (which is where my scenario might not work because I don't know if they had that many) then they could prove the 200 million in assests and be free to pull from those bonds to subsidize all the JVs rufie was bragging about. Now the SEC comes in right before the share exchange for 6:1 and shuts it down. This tanks the stock on the greys, leaves rufie and the gang with no shares and no way to pull them from Euroclear because now they can't prove the 200 million. The SEC says prove it but they can't because they don't have the assests now. This saves all the naked shorts courtesy of the SEC and leaves rufie with nothing. He can't hypothecate because he doesn't have the assests to pull from the bonds which is what we all want to see. But since the share price plunged the assests aren't woth anything close to 200 million. The SEC can now say fraud, perfect timing from them. If the SEC doesn't step in Rufie has the 200 million, can prove ownership by drawing from them, price goes up, 6:1 gets fulfilled, shorts are definitely screwed. Don't know if I have a leg to stand on here with this info but some of you DD aholics might make something out of this. Just a shot in the dark.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Interesting idea stinks, but I think you've mis-read the $200 million thing. From what I've read, the 200 million is an upfront deal to get a Euroclear account and I'm pretty sure we had the Euroclear account long before they put those shares in there. Also, I don't think the 200 million is needed to draw on the bonds (for the above reason).

You do bring up an interesting thought on where these shares came from though. What if they are the float that has been bought up? I'm afraid that Rufus might have just thrown that little tidpbit about "all the answers" out there and the only meaning the shares on Euroclear has is to prove that we have an account.

IMO of course...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
What if they are the float that has been bought up?

and? it was prior to July 27th... [Wink]

unfortunately? it may not matter any more... Rufus had to defend himself and the Co against the SEC...
i don't see any eveidence that he has...

if he has? he's being awful quiet about it...
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
St matt...read the last pm.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
follows is a link to the sec where the judgement will be posted when it comes out:

http://www.sec.gov/rss/litigation/litreleases.xml

nothing there, and no signs that the motion to default was answered. if they answered it, why no press release? it will be there and on pacer in a couple of days so that truth will come out too.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
What if they are the float that has been bought up?

and? it was prior to July 27th... [Wink]

unfortunately? it may not matter any more... Rufus had to defend himself and the Co against the SEC...
i don't see any eveidence that he has...

if he has? he's being awful quiet about it...

He is being VERY quiet. Bold and brash got him prosecuted, betrayed by officers and maybe others, and eventually ousted. He always alluded to something happening in a series of unexpected and cascading events - and then, like a child with a toy, could not keep it to himself. If RPH has a place in the future of this stock, I hope to never hear him on SPR or see him post on HSM again. Maybe he learned the hard lesson about keeping your cards close to the vest.

For the record I do think Rufus has a place in the future of this company, either by cooperation or by force; call it a gut feeling that the avenue will not be cooperation. If he has the leverage I think he might, we are not done with this drama. And that might mean more delays, stress and heartache for the shareholders.

I hope those in the power struggle keep their eyes on the prize and don't destroy the company's potential along the way.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
St. Matthew,
Your copy of the JV page of the website is what I saw this morning when I launched the CSHD website (www.cvsu.us). However, this afternoon I have not been able to access the website.....my browser returns the error message of "The page cannot be displayed"---- also when I launch "www.cvsu.us", the address of www.waatle.com is automatically being subsituting for www.cvsu.us by the infinite wisom of the internet processors out there.

However, I have been able to accces the other website for Conversion Solutions at "www.songwi.com" all day, and although I have not throughly looked at each page and paragraph, I believe that as of this point in time, this songwi site has not been altered. FWIW and GLTA [Smile]
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Here is what I get...

The following content is under review by the Board of Directors

Financial Maintenance

We are very selective of our business models and are only selecting models that are capable of financially sustaining large national infrastructure programs such as Education Reform, National Transportation Infrastructure and Electrification Reform.


Current Joint Venture Corporations

American International Smart Structures

Brittenum Brothers Entertainment, Inc.

Rocky Road Records, Inc.

Seko Management Inc.


Current Subsidiaries

Tserof Holdings Inc

CVSU Coffee Shop

Equine Solutions Inc.

Stargate Productions, Inc.


Merger Subsidiaries

Live Mortgage Free

Federal Chamber of Commerce

Center State Beverage

Point Click and Dream

InfinityOne Inc.

Amruss Group, LLC

LoanShoppers.com



quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Does the CVSU website come up for anybody? Thers talk that the JV page is blank, but I can't get the website to look.

Doesn't work for me either. Tried cvsu.us and waatle.com and neither work.


 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Humble, i agree with much of your post...

Rufus was behaving very immaturely, especially when confronted by former BBAN people and sourstreet.... i am glad that he never publicly posted here...

it would also seem that RPH is important to the future of the Co. if he is the only one who understands how the Euroclear system works, that seems to be the central part of his case/defense ...

as far as being quiet? he needs to be proving to the SEC why they shouldn't get their judgement...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Sometimes i see quotes and i think, why didnt I think of that?

"What do i look like? your search engine?" - Glassman

I cant quit chuckling because I can totally understand how it likely came about....classic
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
here's an even better one i bring back every so often Mr. CATIAEngineer
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Hey Bucky. I got curious about your posts regarding the website and started poking around with waatle and songwi.


I was reading this stuff below and i was wondering, what does it mean "entered into an acquisition contract of an OTC traded public shell through its originating Trust, Songwi Trust,with Conversion Solutions". Does that mean that Songwi owned Waatle financially? So who owns songwi.com?

http://sev.prnewswire.com/banking-financial-services/20050512/CLW07211052005-1.h tml

KENNESAW, Ga., May 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Waatle Holdings Corp. ("WHSC") a diversified holdings corporation organized in Arizona on June 14, 2004 announces that the company has entered into an acquisition contract of an OTC traded public shell through its originating Trust, Songwi Trust, with Conversion Solutions
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Anyway, in response to my own post i also have this. Rufus and Ben co-founded Songwi trust AND waatle corporation so im guessing it wasnt difficult getting the BOD vote on the aquisition. So what were songwi and waatle before conversion solutions? What was conversion solutions before them?

Rufus Harris - Chairman & Chief Executive Officer & President Mr. Harris is the Founder and originator of Waatle Holdings Corp, Arizona Corporation and Conversion Solutions, Inc a Delaware Corporation. The co-founder of Songwi Trust. His experiences range from high-end corporate financing to bond origination. Mr. Harris has facilitated and originated projects, corporate and bond financing for more than 10 years.

Ben Stanley - Director & Chief Operating Officer Mr. Stanley is the Founder and co-originator of Waatle Holdings Corp and CVSU and the co-founder of Songwi Trust. His experiences range from high-end corporate financing to bond origination. Mr. Stanley has facilitated and originated projects, corporate and bond financing for more than 15 years.

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/060712/fhal.ob8-k_a.html

Sorry diggy, am i rambling again? [Smile]

Another question.......

What is the difference between co-founder and co-originator? My search engine Glassman.com? heh
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey Bucky. I got curious about your posts regarding the website and started poking around with waatle and songwi.


I was reading this stuff below and i was wondering, what does it mean "entered into an acquisition contract of an OTC traded public shell through its originating Trust, Songwi Trust,with Conversion Solutions". Does that mean that Songwi owned Waatle financially? So who owns songwi.com?

http://sev.prnewswire.com/banking-financial-services/20050512/CLW07211052005-1.h tml

KENNESAW, Ga., May 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Waatle Holdings Corp. ("WHSC") a diversified holdings corporation organized in Arizona on June 14, 2004 announces that the company has entered into an acquisition contract of an OTC traded public shell through its originating Trust, Songwi Trust, with Conversion Solutions

Read pg 6 of this link. Kind of interesting. I'm sure it's old news.

https://www.otcstockinfo.com/repository/658329/658329_FR8.pdf
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Cassity

That William Tay guy again. 22+ million shares. Thats a lot of shares for what appears to be "seed money" of some sort.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Tay was one of the originators in CVSU- the majority shareholder that resigned when RPH took over (I think....I need to dig and verify- shooting from the hip on that one).
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Page 9-10 is interesting too. I wonder if this is the ranch. "lease purchase", is that like a land contract....rent to own?

1. Investments in real estate or interests in real estate.
The corporation entered into a lease purchase contract on
October 13, 2005 of a facility called the Derby with Berrey
- 10 -
properties, Inc. for a value of $200,000 USD. A deposit of
$25,000 USD was applied.
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Tay was one of the originators in CVSU- the majority shareholder that resigned when RPH took over (I think....I need to dig and verify- shooting from the hip on that one).

People keep asking how Rufus received billions in bonds, but I personally don't think he did. I think that Tay is the heavy hitter. He was well connected if I remember previous DD. I think we need focus on this company PRIOR to Rufus. JMO
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Tay: he was one of the original tut guesses back in Sept.

http://www.flip-side.biz/eEAC06prs.htm

William Tay, Senior Consultant in the Chief Architect Office, NCS Singapore Pte Ltd

William Tay is a Senior Consultant with the Chief Architect Office in NCS Pte Ltd, a premier Asia Pacific Systems Integrator based in Singapore. His interests include all things distributed. He has done a fair amount of work in the implementation of XML Services. He has done research, development and implementation work in applying Web Services in environments of Service-Orientation. He is a recognized Web Service / WS-* Digerati of Microsoft and travels to international locations on invitation by Microsoft Corp to deliver Web Services-related architecture presentations to its top enterprise customers and subsidiaries.
He spent a lot of his time drilling down into some of the core WS-Security specifications and participated in the security feedback channels of OASIS via Microsoft Corp. Besides being a Microsoft Most Valuable Professional (MVP) for Solutions Architect, he is also one of the very few Microsoft Regional Directors in the world whose ideas, thoughts and feedback are frequently sought after by Microsoft Corp. Besides writing for leading Software Architectural magazines on-line and in-print, he speaks frequently in many academic and leading industry technology circuits and events.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yea, i think i was the originator of the William Tay Tut guess. Im still trying to confirm if the Tay from Songwi is the same Tay in your link Frank. He seems to be a brainy fella with some serious creds but i cant confirm any serious cashflow from him.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Stinks this has some merit imho!!!!!!

Good call on the price 2.00-2.40 for that timeframe also 2.00 * 100M shares would indeed be a sum of $200M to not only open a new euroclear account but enough to start funding subs. if this was going to be the initial co. 'play money'. Do you remember someone questioning why Rufus never used some of the $19,000,000 in interest off the bonds? Maybe he already used it as part of buying up the float!!! All along realizing this was going to be the startup $ to get the ball rolling for the subs. and drawing off of the other bonds (which if i remember correctly, he has not claimed full ownership of as with the first Caracas Group $500M bond). Although hard to prove, the SEC clearly could financial cripple a start up co. this way and save (if they have ties to) their major interest players/brokers on Wall Street for which they appear to be looking the other way for.

OTHER COMMENTS PLEASE!!! I THINK THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND THAT STINKS IS ON TO SOMETHING. WE MAY NEED TO GIVE RPH A BREAK. IT MAY BE OUT OF HIS CONTROL.


jmoestinks
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Member Rated:
posted December 05, 2006 17:11
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I'm not a stock guy, i'm into real estate but here is my pathetic shot at addind some DD to this thread instead of making fun of my boys Kevy and Jmoe. You DD guys might think its absurd or you mightmake something out of, all a shot in the dark so here you go.

Rufie said figure out why the shares of CSHD are in the Euroclear account and you will find all your answers. Here are some thoughts.

Back in the FHAL/CVSU/ and early CSHD days Rufie said they were buying up all the float. No idea how much that was but it was probably alot. Now the date on the Euroclear for submitting those shares was Oct 9th about a week before that Oct 16th deadline for the 6:1 announcement. He said that the shares would be submitted early Nov. Now if the bonds were real and the company had to prove 200 million in assests to pull money from the bonds then they could use the shares as assests. If you look at the stock price in and around the 9th it was about $2-2.40 i think. If the amount of shares submitted to Euroclear was 100 million or so (which is where my scenario might not work because I don't know if they had that many) then they could prove the 200 million in assests and be free to pull from those bonds to subsidize all the JVs rufie was bragging about. Now the SEC comes in right before the share exchange for 6:1 and shuts it down. This tanks the stock on the greys, leaves rufie and the gang with no shares and no way to pull them from Euroclear because now they can't prove the 200 million. The SEC says prove it but they can't because they don't have the assests now. This saves all the naked shorts courtesy of the SEC and leaves rufie with nothing. He can't hypothecate because he doesn't have the assests to pull from the bonds which is what we all want to see. But since the share price plunged the assests aren't woth anything close to 200 million. The SEC can now say fraud, perfect timing from them. If the SEC doesn't step in Rufie has the 200 million, can prove ownership by drawing from them, price goes up, 6:1 gets fulfilled, shorts are definitely screwed. Don't know if I have a leg to stand on here with this info but some of you DD aholics might make something out of this. Just a shot in the dark.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
CAT,

not to burst your bubble but i think BB found Tay a very long time ago. end of June, early July.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Thecon00, i know. I still have her DD and some of my own personal DD from Tay some time ago. Bucky brought up Songwi and Cassity posted an 8k so i started getting interested in him again.

If the Tay in the link above is the same Tay, he is an interesting guy to say the least. Check out this **** and some of the things this guy thinks about. He seems bored with our current technology heh.

http://www.softwaremaker.net/b l o g/

remove the spaces
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I think the post by jmoestinks could hold some truth as well but its difficult to wrap my mind around all of it. I found this too which appears to show just how costly it is to "work with" Euroclear. $400k for admin fees?

http://www.secinfo.com/d17yWq.v24.htm

The Fitch Bonds Ratings as of May 2006 gives the bonds a BB- rating. The bonds have been registered with the National Securities Commission in Caracas, Venezuela, as well as loaded and registered in the Euroclear Band Securities database, accessible electronically with proper identification codes.

The company entered into a Global Trust Funding Agreement (the agreement), #252455770-03142006, executed on March 17, 2006 as a result of the acquisition of the bonds. The agreement includes a required payment of administrative fees of $400,000 which as of June 30, 2006 had not been paid and therefore, has been recorded as a liability on the balance sheet.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
PM Jenna
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
Stinks this has some merit imho!!!!!!

Good call on the price 2.00-2.40 for that timeframe also 2.00 * 100M shares would indeed be a sum of $200M to not only open a new euroclear account but enough to start funding subs. if this was going to be the initial co. 'play money'. Do you remember someone questioning why Rufus never used some of the $19,000,000 in interest off the bonds? Maybe he already used it as part of buying up the float!!! All along realizing this was going to be the startup $ to get the ball rolling for the subs. and drawing off of the other bonds (which if i remember correctly, he has not claimed full ownership of as with the first Caracas Group $500M bond). Although hard to prove, the SEC clearly could financial cripple a start up co. this way and save (if they have ties to) their major interest players/brokers on Wall Street for which they appear to be looking the other way for.

OTHER COMMENTS PLEASE!!! I THINK THIS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE AND THAT STINKS IS ON TO SOMETHING. WE MAY NEED TO GIVE RPH A BREAK. IT MAY BE OUT OF HIS CONTROL.


jmoestinks
New Member


Member Rated:
posted December 05, 2006 17:11
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I'm not a stock guy, i'm into real estate but here is my pathetic shot at addind some DD to this thread instead of making fun of my boys Kevy and Jmoe. You DD guys might think its absurd or you mightmake something out of, all a shot in the dark so here you go.

Rufie said figure out why the shares of CSHD are in the Euroclear account and you will find all your answers. Here are some thoughts.

Back in the FHAL/CVSU/ and early CSHD days Rufie said they were buying up all the float. No idea how much that was but it was probably alot. Now the date on the Euroclear for submitting those shares was Oct 9th about a week before that Oct 16th deadline for the 6:1 announcement. He said that the shares would be submitted early Nov. Now if the bonds were real and the company had to prove 200 million in assests to pull money from the bonds then they could use the shares as assests. If you look at the stock price in and around the 9th it was about $2-2.40 i think. If the amount of shares submitted to Euroclear was 100 million or so (which is where my scenario might not work because I don't know if they had that many) then they could prove the 200 million in assests and be free to pull from those bonds to subsidize all the JVs rufie was bragging about. Now the SEC comes in right before the share exchange for 6:1 and shuts it down. This tanks the stock on the greys, leaves rufie and the gang with no shares and no way to pull them from Euroclear because now they can't prove the 200 million. The SEC says prove it but they can't because they don't have the assests now. This saves all the naked shorts courtesy of the SEC and leaves rufie with nothing. He can't hypothecate because he doesn't have the assests to pull from the bonds which is what we all want to see. But since the share price plunged the assests aren't woth anything close to 200 million. The SEC can now say fraud, perfect timing from them. If the SEC doesn't step in Rufie has the 200 million, can prove ownership by drawing from them, price goes up, 6:1 gets fulfilled, shorts are definitely screwed. Don't know if I have a leg to stand on here with this info but some of you DD aholics might make something out of this. Just a shot in the dark.

[Eek!] [Eek!]
Holy cow... [Eek!]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
How does this ring your bell? Does this sound anything like Fronthauls business plan?

http://www.portnet.com/02news/e25112002.htm

PIL’s General Manager (Corporate Development), Mr William Tay, aptly summarised the benefits. "EZShip® has automated the process of nominating our incoming containers to the best possible connecting vessels. Of the services using EZShip®, about 75% of the containers were auto-nominated by the system, thereby reducing dwell time and satisfying our customers' need for fast and reliable connections. It has also allowed our staff more time to focus on handling the exceptional shipments and providing a personalised service to our customers," he said
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, so thats weird. Anyone watching Standoff on Fox? One of the characters on the show this week is William Tay.....or am i hearing things? [Smile]

edit - nevermind. the character is william tate heh
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, so if the EZship stuff doesnt ring your bell read this.

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2004/12/09/0001038838-04-001133/Section7.asp

Fronthaul was incorporated on June 9, 2004. Fronthaul is an Internet-based,
business-to-business information exchange, which provides a centralized database
of freight load information accessible by any enabled wireless device or through
the Internet. Its objective is to integrate the existing freight industry
players with wireless and Internet technologies, creating a dynamic, real time
communication exchange for the transportation industry.

http://www.portnet.com/03products/ezship.htm

-----------------

Ok, im done for now. Gonna go watch TV. IMO Bucky has a good question about Songwi and Tay was a big investor in Songwi. Oh yea, and if you DD Tay you will find that he is a wireless fanatic. GPS, WiFi...etc

Bye for now [Smile]
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
i originally DD'd Tay in July because he was the incorporator of conversion solutions...
then reDD'd him in Sept cuz he was suspected of being Tut. [Wink]


repost:

betting babe

posted 29 September, 2006 22:44

VOORHEES ACQUISITION CORP. - Mr. William Tay is our sole director, controlling stockholder and
president.


http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1293323/0001293323-05-000002.txt

CONFORMED SUBMISSION TYPE: 10KSB

DATE AS OF CHANGE: 20050118

VOORHEES ACQUISITION CORP
CENTRAL INDEX KEY: 0001293323
STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION: BLANK CHECKS [6770]


Voorhees Acquisition Corp. (the "Company") was incorporated under the laws of
the State of Delaware on May 6, 2004. We were formed as a blank check company
for the purpose of seeking to complete a merger or business acquisition
transaction. ...

We will attempt to locate and negotiate with a business entity for the merger
of a target business into the Company. In certain instances, a target business
may wish to become a subsidiary of the Company or may wish to contribute assets
to the Company rather than merge. No assurances can be given that we will be
successful in locating or negotiating with any target business.

Management believes that there are perceived benefits to being a reporting
company with a class of publicly-traded securities. These are commonly thought
to include (1) the ability to use registered securities to make acquisition of
assets or businesses; (2) increased visibility in the financial community; (3)
the facilitation of borrowing from financial institutions; (4) improved trading
efficiency; (5) stockholder liquidity; (6) greater ease in subsequently raising
capital; (7) compensation of key employees through stock options; (8) enhanced
corporate image; and (9) a presence in the United States capital market.

A business entity, if any, which may be interested in a business combination
with us may include (1) a company for which a primary purpose of becoming
public is the use of its securities for the acquisition of assets or
businesses; (2) a company which is unable to find an underwriter of its
securities or is unable to find an underwriter of securities on terms
acceptable to it; (3) a company which wishes to become public with less
dilution of its common stock than would occur normally upon an underwriting;
(4) a company which believes that it will be able to obtain investment capital
on more favorable terms after it has become public; (5) a foreign company which
may wish to gain an initial entry into the United States securities market; (6)
a special situation company, such as a company seeking a public market to
satisfy redemption requirements under a qualified Employee Stock Option Plan;
or (7) a company seeking one or more of the other perceived benefits of
becoming a public company....


It is anticipated that any securities issued in any such reorganization would
be issued in reliance upon exemption from registration under applicable federal
and state securities laws. In some circumstances however, as a negotiated
element of its transaction, we may agree to register all or a part of such
securities immediately after the transaction is consummated or at specified
times thereafter. If such registration occurs, of which there can be no
assurance, it will be undertaken by the surviving entity after we have entered
into an agreement for a business combination or have consummated a business
combination and we are no longer considered a blank check company. The issuance
of additional securities and their potential sale into any trading market which
may develop in our securities may depress the market value of our securities in
the future if such a market develops, of which there is no assurance.

While the terms of a business transaction to which we may be a party cannot be
predicted, it is expected that the parties to the business transaction will
desire to avoid the creation of a taxable event and thereby structure the
acquisition in a tax-free reorganization under Sections 351 or 368 of the
Internal Revenue Code of 1986,
as amended.


Originally posted by betting babe:

william tay writes in his b log (seems to be the same guy?)


Random Acts of Kindness ? Are we missing the point?

This article may seem to speak of well-intentions at first. But once you sit down and think about it, it is a distortion. The word "Random" plays a stronger role here and the term "Kindness" is just an end-effect of the Flash mob syndrome.

Acts of kindness should be generated at the people who need it at a particular time and place.
While I agree that all parties involved, including the conduits, benefit from the overall act, I believe that the act should be dished out by a party voluntarily via a conduit (or not) to another party in need to be the recipient of that act.
The Pay-it-Forward movement can only reach a high maximization point when people give away what they dont need to the ones in need.
It doesnt matter whether it is random or intended. I can give it away to an intended charity or the next poor person I see on the street...


**************************


FIRST: The name of the corporation shall be Conversion Solutions, Inc.

SECOND: Its registered office is to be located at 25 Grey stone Manor, in the city of Lewes; County of Sussex, Delaware, 19958-9776.The registered agent is Harvard Business Services, Inc. whose address is the same as above.


THIRD: The nature of business and purpose of the organization is to engage in any lawful act or activity for which corporations may be organized under the Delaware General Corporation Laws.

FOURTII: The total number of shares of stock which the Corporation is authorized to issue is 120,000.000 shares, consisting of 100,000,000 shares of Common Stock having a par value of $.000] per share and 20,000.000 shares of Preferred Stock having a par value of $.0001 per share and to be issued in such series and to have such rights, preferences, and designation as determined by the Board of Directors of the Corporation.


FIFTH: name and address of each person who is to serve as a member of the initial board of directors is: William Tay, P.O. Box 42198, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19101.


SIXTH: The name and address of the incorporator is as follows: William Tay, P.O. Box 42]98, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania19]01.


SEVENTH: The Board of Directors shall have the power to amend or repeal the by-laws.

EIGHTH: stockholders, (ii) for acts or omissions not in good faith or which involve intentional misconduct or a knowing violation of law, (Hi) purnu.a."1t to Section 174 of the Delaware General Corporation Law or (iv) for any transaction from which the director derived an improper personal benefit. No amendment to or repeal of this Article Eighth shall apply to or have any effect on the liability or alleged liability of any director of the Corporation for or with respect to any acts or omissions of such director occurring prior to such amendment.

~BB [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yea, thats the stuff BB. Way to be organized...and on the ball. [Smile]

Reading that this time through i get a different feeling. I guess now that things have transpired over time....interesting. That Vorhees Aquisition Corp stuff is deep.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
LOL Simone! Dialing RPH and asked him how the weather was in Tahiti or Jamaica! On his voicemail...

What a tool [Razz]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Oh jeeeez that area you bolded!! Tay was advertising for someone like Rufus to come along! Rufus saw the invite and took him up on it!!

Their search criteria scream Fronthaul and Conversion solutions IMO
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
doot dee doooo

just added more to my post mrCat.

who knows, who knows... *sigh*
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Your Tay blew my Tay out of the water.....

hmmph...

Didnt we play this game before?

Anyway, William Tay was out shoppin for a company "project" and the Rufus / Ben show popped in it looks like. So, whats Tays agenda then. Readddddy...go!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Did you see this part?

"Our management, which in all likelihood will not be experienced in matters
relating to the business of a target business, will rely upon its own efforts
in accomplishing our business purposes."

Are you kidding me? LOL

Rufus said the other night he was never "allowed" access to release filings himself. Tay holds that key maybe? Is Arlitt working with Tay? Did Tay hand that key to Arlitt?
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
WHAT A NIGHT!

so long a time to go w nada and now we may just be putting this thing together.GREAT PROGRESS BOARD [Smile]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Did you see this part?

"Our management, which in all likelihood will not be experienced in matters
relating to the business of a target business, will rely upon its own efforts
in accomplishing our business purposes."

Are you kidding me? LOL

Rufus said the other night he was never "allowed" access to release filings himself. Tay holds that key maybe? Is Arlitt working with Tay? Did Tay hand that key to Arlitt?

This could be a link that has made this transition possible.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
jmoestinks: "Back in the FHAL/CVSU/ and early CSHD days Rufie said they were buying up all the float. No idea how much that was but it was probably alot. Now the date on the Euroclear for submitting those shares was Oct 9th about a week before that Oct 16th deadline for the 6:1 announcement. He said that the shares would be submitted early Nov. Now if the bonds were real and the company had to prove 200 million in assests to pull money from the bonds then they could use the shares as assests. If you look at the stock price in and around the 9th it was about $2-2.40 i think. If the amount of shares submitted to Euroclear was 100 million or so (which is where my scenario might not work because I don't know if they had that many) then they could prove the 200 million in assests and be free to pull from those bonds to subsidize all the JVs rufie was bragging about. Now the SEC comes in right before the share exchange for 6:1 and shuts it down. This tanks the stock on the greys, leaves rufie and the gang with no shares and no way to pull them from Euroclear because now they can't prove the 200 million. The SEC says prove it but they can't because they don't have the assests now. This saves all the naked shorts courtesy of the SEC and leaves rufie with nothing. He can't hypothecate because he doesn't have the assests to pull from the bonds which is what we all want to see. But since the share price plunged the assests aren't woth anything close to 200 million. The SEC can now say fraud, perfect timing from them. If the SEC doesn't step in Rufie has the 200 million, can prove ownership by drawing from them, price goes up, 6:1 gets fulfilled, shorts are definitely screwed. Don't know if I have a leg to stand on here with this info but some of you DD aholics might make something out of this. Just a shot in the dark."

this agrees with what i've though for a long time. rufus gambled that the stock price would rise rapidly and stay up long enooough for him to cash out around 200m. they didn't and the sec stepped in as you said with perfect timing. no money now can't follow through, game over imho.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
BY THE WAY, if we are even close to being right and big money has been behind this all along....

we got nuthin to worry about in the long run imho [Smile]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
someone PM'ed jmoe's post to Simon....
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
NOT GAME OVER! if rufus is a pawn then new ceo get money to get the ball rolling again [Smile]


66inxs
Member


Member Rated:
posted December 05, 2006 21:12
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jmoestinks: "Back in the FHAL/CVSU/ and early CSHD days Rufie said they were buying up all the float. No idea how much that was but it was probably alot. Now the date on the Euroclear for submitting those shares was Oct 9th about a week before that Oct 16th deadline for the 6:1 announcement. He said that the shares would be submitted early Nov. Now if the bonds were real and the company had to prove 200 million in assests to pull money from the bonds then they could use the shares as assests. If you look at the stock price in and around the 9th it was about $2-2.40 i think. If the amount of shares submitted to Euroclear was 100 million or so (which is where my scenario might not work because I don't know if they had that many) then they could prove the 200 million in assests and be free to pull from those bonds to subsidize all the JVs rufie was bragging about. Now the SEC comes in right before the share exchange for 6:1 and shuts it down. This tanks the stock on the greys, leaves rufie and the gang with no shares and no way to pull them from Euroclear because now they can't prove the 200 million. The SEC says prove it but they can't because they don't have the assests now. This saves all the naked shorts courtesy of the SEC and leaves rufie with nothing. He can't hypothecate because he doesn't have the assests to pull from the bonds which is what we all want to see. But since the share price plunged the assests aren't woth anything close to 200 million. The SEC can now say fraud, perfect timing from them. If the SEC doesn't step in Rufie has the 200 million, can prove ownership by drawing from them, price goes up, 6:1 gets fulfilled, shorts are definitely screwed. Don't know if I have a leg to stand on here with this info but some of you DD aholics might make something out of this. Just a shot in the dark."

this agrees with what i've though for a long time. rufus gambled that the stock price would rise rapidly and stay up long enooough for him to cash out around 200m. they didn't and the sec stepped in as you said with perfect timing. no money now can't follow through, game over imho.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
The Voorhees filing goes on to say.......

"Persons reading this Form 10-KSB are advised
to determine if we have subsequently filed a Form 8-K"

Here it is......it seems

http://www.secinfo.com/d17fz4.zb.htm

and his resignation letter

http://www.secinfo.com/d17fz4.zb.b.htm
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
doot dee doooo

just added more to my post mrCat.

who knows, who knows... *sigh*

Hi,BB.It's great to see ya on the board.This epic just keeps getting longer and longer. lol The question is how will it end? Nobody knows yet ,but it's been one heck of a ride.Hope your doing well.
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
What if Tay and John have know eachother for along time. This would be a good reason for Tut/John's confidence in the company. After watching Rufus screw up a for sure deal long enough, John decides to show them how it's done. I strongly believe that Tay is the key to this entire business plan. I think that Rufus and Ben showed up and Rufus was able to convince Tay that he new his stuff about bonds (which I believe he does). I may be way off, but this is JMO
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yeah BB I got a ton of things collected about Tay from our discussions back in July. I have gone back to him a number of times.

He is a player even though Rufas has said a number of times that he doesn't really know him, and he was paid in cash for CSHD. [Wink]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Roughly 4 months after Tay resigned from Voorhees, Songwi Trust and Waatle Corporation came out of thin air....with Tay being the majority shareholder.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
What if Tay and John have know eachother for along time. This would be a good reason for Tut/John's confidence in the company. After watching Rufus screw up a for sure deal long enough, John decides to show them how it's done. I strongly believe that Tay is the key to this entire business plan. I think that Rufus and Ben showed up and Rufus was able to convince Tay that he new his stuff about bonds (which I believe he does). I may be way off, but this is JMO

I can follow that. Its even possible to think that Arlitt had DD'd Voorhees himself but contacted Tay a day late...Rufus beat him to it. So, maybe hes been watching this play out and saw his entry point and Tay heard him out.

I could be way off too, also IMO [Smile]
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
rufus said that he learned about the rule 386 in a class... didnt he?
~BB
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
ok thecon00. i humbly withdraw the part about game over. i'll give it the benefit of the doubt.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
rufus said that he learned about the rule 386 in a class... didnt he?
~BB

I dont recall how he claimed to hear about the rule 386.
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
i believe it was in the first or second conference call.
he said "we took a class on this" but i dont have it bookmarked, so im not 100% positive.
~BB
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I remember Tay because it was the fist time I remember where I specifically heard Rufas lie.

He said on SPR to one of Simon's callers that he(Rufas) didn't really know Mr. Tay and that it was strictly a cash deal when they bought Conversion from William. I had found this document out there and was looking for the SEC or other colaborating document to prove the lie.

quote:

On April 22, 2005 Mr. William Tay, President & CEO and the Majority shareholder entered into a Stock purchase agreement with Rufus Paul Harris, CEO of Waatle Holdings Corp for the purchase of his 22,890.000 shares, the agreement had an original closing date of May 4, 2005. Thru a contract extension the closing date was moved to June 7, 2005. On June 7, 2005 all closure documents were finalized. A shareholders meeting was called on June 7, 2005 and Mr. Rufus Paul Harris was appointed as Chairman and CEO of the corporation and Mr.William Tay resigned.

https://www.otcstockinfo.com/repository/658329/658329_FR8.pdf
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Yeah BB I got a ton of things collected about Tay from our discussions back in July. I have gone back to him a number of times.

He is a player even though Rufas has said a number of times that he doesn't really know him, and he was paid in cash for CSHD. [Wink]

It may not be Tay himself, but his contacts that Rufus wanted/needed. Those people may be who John knows as well.
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Just to really start some wishful thinking, what if Tut is related to William Tay(THEGREATERGOOD)? Who knows?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok sooooo since we are gettin jiggy wit' it ill throw this scenario out......

Tay has money and was interested in doing "something" with it so he opened a "blank check" company and advertised by filing a 10q. Rufus saw it and took him up on the deal...agreeing to be Tays puppet. Tay then funds Songwi Trust and Waatle...both of which Rufus and Ben get credit for co-founding. Tay then has them merge Songwi and Waatle into Conversion solutions leaving a real trail of 2 false companies merging into a new company Conversion solutions. During that time Tay resigns of any officer duties but stays on as a majority shareholder and instructs Rufus to find that perfect shell company to finish whatever "project" it is he is working on. They DD for some time and find Fronthaul going bankrupt but with contracts and heavily shorted and for whatever reason thats the perfect shell. Now what....
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I remember Tay because it was the fist time I remember where I specifically heard Rufas lie.

He said on SPR to one of Simon's callers that he(Rufas) didn't really know Mr. Tay and that it was strictly a cash deal when they bought Conversion from William. I had found this document out there and was looking for the SEC or other colaborating document to prove the lie.

quote:

On April 22, 2005 Mr. William Tay, President & CEO and the Majority shareholder entered into a Stock purchase agreement with Rufus Paul Harris, CEO of Waatle Holdings Corp for the purchase of his 22,890.000 shares, the agreement had an original closing date of May 4, 2005. Thru a contract extension the closing date was moved to June 7, 2005. On June 7, 2005 all closure documents were finalized. A shareholders meeting was called on June 7, 2005 and Mr. Rufus Paul Harris was appointed as Chairman and CEO of the corporation and Mr.William Tay resigned.

https://www.otcstockinfo.com/repository/658329/658329_FR8.pdf
Sorry ,can you please explain where he lied?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Tay has seen rough times IMO. hehe

Crescendo aquisition corp, the other Tay corp

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2004/10/18/0001289813-04-000006/section2.asp
On April 6, 2004, the Board of Directors issued 148,000 shares of common stock
for $148 in services to the founding shareholder of the Company to fund
organizational start-up costs.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Humble, i agree with much of your post...

Rufus was behaving very immaturely, especially when confronted by former BBAN people and sourstreet.... i am glad that he never publicly posted here...

it would also seem that RPH is important to the future of the Co. if he is the only one who understands how the Euroclear system works, that seems to be the central part of his case/defense ...

as far as being quiet? he needs to be proving to the SEC why they shouldn't get their judgement...

lol, are you seriously saying that SEC doesn't understand Euroclear?

ya...agreed: he needs to be proving
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Oops my last post was wrong. That was pre-Tay

On April 6, 2004, the Board of Directors issued 148,000 shares of common stock
for $148 in services to the founding shareholder of the Company to fund
organizational start-up costs.

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/04/15/0001289813-05-000006/Section6.asp
On February 23, 2005, the Board of Directors approved the issuance of
11,500,000 shares of common stock to retain the services of William Tay as CEO
and President of the Company and were deemed fully paid and non-assessable on
that date.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Ocqueoc ~ other than the document I posted I havent found anything to cooberate so lie is awful strong. But...

He said on SPR that it was an "ALL cash deal" when they purchased CVSU. the document says this.

"On February 11, 2005, the Board of Directors issued 22,890,000 shares of common stock for
$2,289 in services to the founding shareholder of the Company (William Tay) to fund organizational start-up
costs.
On March 5, 2005, the Board of Directors issued 400,000 shares of common stock for $20,000 in
services to a consultant(Warrior Capital, LLC), in exchange for services rendered."

This was not an "ALL cash deal". I waved it off at the time as trying to keep the William Tay questions to a minimum.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Hmmm, Tay later sold his interest in Crescendo to a Marshall Islands Corporation called Industrial & Family Holding Ltd.

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/02/07/0001289813-06-000005/Section2.asp

(a) Effective on February 1, 2006, Industrial & Family Holding Ltd., a
Marshall Islands' corporation, acquired 11,648,000 restricted common shares of
Crescendo Acquisition Corp. (the "Company") from William Tay in a private
purchase transaction. Effective on that same day, W.I.P. World International
Project SA. Luxembourg acquired the same 11,648,000 shares from Industrial &
Family Holding Ltd. in a private purchase transaction. W.I.P. World
International Project SA. Luxembourg became the "control person" of the
Registrant as that term is defined in the Securities Act of 1933, as amended.
Simultaneously with this transaction, the Board of Directors of Crescendo
Acquisition Corp. nominated Giorgio Endrizzi to the Board of Directors and all
former officers and directors, namely William Tay, resigned. Giorgio Endrizzi
was then named President, Secretary and Treasurer of Crescendo Acquisition
Corp.

Is this Marshall Islands?

http://www.register-iri.com

and this?

http://www.fiduciarygroup.com/marhsall_islands_offshore_information.htm
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
k i am burried is theories- best thing is to step away and come back in the morning. To much mythical crazy behind the curtain players......

Good night all-

 -
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
OK, heres a good one. Could anyone imagine Rufus pumping some "World International Project" - World and International being and interesting and unnecessary combination heh. Anyway, as funny as it is...the company supposedly exists AND Tay sold them some shares.

http://www.secinfo.com/d17BYq.vd.htm
"On February 1, 2006 (the "Closing Date"), pursuant to the terms of a Share
Purchase Agreement dated November 24, 2005, Industrial & Family Holdings Ltd.,
a Marshall Islands corporation ("IFH"), purchased 11,648,000 shares of
Crescendo Acquisition Corp., a Delaware corporation (the "Company" or
"Registrant"), common stock from William Tay, the sole shareholder, officer and
director of the Company. Immediately afterwards, IFH transferred these same
shares to W.I.P. World International Project SA. Luxenbourg of 16 Avenue de La
Porte Neuve, BP 6661-2016 Luxembourg."

Really, you cant make this stuff up.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey Doc, i look at it like this. If Rufus was a simple (or complex) conman then Arlitt and the SHC would have nothing to work with right? Did Rufus make some mistakes in regards to the SEC investigation and possibly countless other activities? Maybe so, its hard to say being on the outside looking in. But, if we start calling Rufus a conman then i feel we may be denying the foundation our company is built on, and thats verrrry bad IMO.

I feel your frustration and i hope....reeeeeallly hope that Rufus is not a conman but a guy thats not cut out to be a CEO and got in WAY over his head with the SEC. Its possible, I suppose, that Rufus Paul Harris himself may have grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail.

As the days go by it seems that im just gonna have to get comfy with the idea of Tut running the show with our SHC supporting him in his role.

Good post .. [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
FWIW Tay is also a Board member for Global Energy Group located in Plano Texas.

http://www.gegsolutions.com/investor_relations.html

John Bailey - President

I was curious and looked over the NOBO list.

CRYSTAL DAWN BAILEY
ADAM CARL BAILEY
DANIEL EDWARD BAILEY &
ELIZABETH WADE BAILEY
JOAN PERRY BAILEY
RUSSELL W BAILEY

Bailey is probably just a common name though. Im sure that means nothing right? [Smile]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Wow, for once more might be going on "ON" the board...

Good chats tonights ~

Catia, mailbox is full FYI...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
rufus said that he learned about the rule 386 in a class... didnt he?
~BB

Babe,
I could be wrong but Rufus has stated over and over that he has learned everything via the internet. I believe he also stated that he learned of this rule via the internet. I could be wrong but that is the best of my recollection.
**************************************************
The above was a direct answer to Babe. Below is in reference to board discussion.


Well it's Deja Vu all over again. William Tay.

Unless Rufus was being foxy at the time, he stated that had had very little contact with William or than the Conversion Solutions acquisition which was owned by William Tay.

I'll have to go back but if I remember correctly William Tay didn't have anything to do with Songwi or Wattle, those were Rufus and Ben's babies.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok Chart, cleared it heh
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
You guys and gals are all an amazing group of incredible detectives. Just when I was calling it quits ..... you come up with some great information. I am very glad to be associated with all of you. You're all incredibly talented at finding things. [Smile] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
rufus said that he learned about the rule 386 in a class... didnt he?
~BB

Babe,
I could be wrong but Rufus has stated over and over that he has learned everything via the internet. I believe he also stated that he learned of this rule via the internet. I could be wrong but that is the best of my recollection.
**************************************************
The above was a direct answer to Babe. Below is in reference to board discussion.


Well it's Deja Vu all over again. William Tay.

Unless Rufus was being foxy at the time, he stated that had had very little contact with William or than the Conversion Solutions acquisition which was owned by William Tay.

I'll have to go back but if I remember correctly William Tay didn't have anything to do with Songwi or Wattle, those were Rufus and Ben's babies.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

GLTA
Wally

Wally, they may have been Rufus and Bens babies but Tay was the majority shareholder
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Wow, for once more might be going on "ON" the board...

Good chats tonights ~

Catia, mailbox is full FYI...

Hey Chart! I thought your computor was still broke or did I just miss any recent postings in the afterwork hours? Either way, nice to see ya
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok sooooo since we are gettin jiggy wit' it ill throw this scenario out......

Tay has money and was interested in doing "something" with it so he opened a "blank check" company and advertised by filing a 10q. Rufus saw it and took him up on the deal...agreeing to be Tays puppet. Tay then funds Songwi Trust and Waatle...both of which Rufus and Ben get credit for co-founding. Tay then has them merge Songwi and Waatle into Conversion solutions leaving a real trail of 2 false companies merging into a new company Conversion solutions. During that time Tay resigns of any officer duties but stays on as a majority shareholder and instructs Rufus to find that perfect shell company to finish whatever "project" it is he is working on. They DD for some time and find Fronthaul going bankrupt but with contracts and heavily shorted and for whatever reason thats the perfect shell. Now what....

Fronthaul came into the picture because of Sabra. Sabra and Mike go way back according to what was stated on SPR the night they all were on. Once again if I remember correctly, Mike was looking for funding for the Amazon deal and Sabra put him in touch with Rufus. Instead of funding the Amazon deal they decided to do the reverse merger. I'm going by memory here. Even though I've been told I have a pretty good memory, it is not infallible so if anyone else was listening and heard this pleas chime in.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Wally ~ you are correct in your recollections. I do however think he was being "foxy at the time". "Puppet Masters" like a little shrowd of darkness so that the puppet remains in focus. LOL [Big Grin]

In any case I doubt Rufas was going to allow William Tay discussions to get real big. I have looked and have not found any other ties from Tay to anyone bigger. But having involvement in so many otehr companies I would think that he has a whole cast of sponsers.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I find it very strange that all of these websites were hard to access today. I expected changes, yet there were not any. Go figure.


quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey Bucky. I got curious about your posts regarding the website and started poking around with waatle and songwi.


I was reading this stuff below and i was wondering, what does it mean "entered into an acquisition contract of an OTC traded public shell through its originating Trust, Songwi Trust,with Conversion Solutions". Does that mean that Songwi owned Waatle financially? So who owns songwi.com?

http://sev.prnewswire.com/banking-financial-services/20050512/CLW07211052005-1.h tml

KENNESAW, Ga., May 11 /PRNewswire/ -- Waatle Holdings Corp. ("WHSC") a diversified holdings corporation organized in Arizona on June 14, 2004 announces that the company has entered into an acquisition contract of an OTC traded public shell through its originating Trust, Songwi Trust, with Conversion Solutions


 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ahhh finnnnnnnally something Tay was involved in thats trading!! At some time along the line he was a director, vice president and secretary of Legend International Holdings, Inc (LGDI). Their line of business? Diamond mining!

http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?archive_id=0&page_id=645090146&page_url=%2 f%2fwww.sec.gov%2fArchives%2fedgar%2fdata%2f1141590%2f0001141590-04-000002.txt&p age_last_updated=3%2f24%2f2004+12%3a42%3a28+AM&firstName=William&lastName=Tay

Wasnt Arlitt involved in a gem mining corp?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
[Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Cassity

That William Tay guy again. 22+ million shares. Thats a lot of shares for what appears to be "seed money" of some sort.


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
WOW you are dead on here... good find.

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ahhh finnnnnnnally something Tay was involved in thats trading!! At some time along the line he was a director, vice president and secretary of Legend International Holdings, Inc (LGDI). Their line of business? Diamond mining!

http://cache.zoominfo.com/cachedpage/?archive_id=0&page_id=645090146&page_url=%2 f%2fwww.sec.gov%2fArchives%2fedgar%2fdata%2f1141590%2f0001141590-04-000002.txt&p age_last_updated=3%2f24%2f2004+12%3a42%3a28+AM&firstName=William&lastName=Tay

Wasnt Arlitt involved in a gem mining corp?


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
rufus said that he learned about the rule 386 in a class... didnt he?
~BB

Babe,
I could be wrong but Rufus has stated over and over that he has learned everything via the internet. I believe he also stated that he learned of this rule via the internet. I could be wrong but that is the best of my recollection.
**************************************************
The above was a direct answer to Babe. Below is in reference to board discussion.


Well it's Deja Vu all over again. William Tay.

Unless Rufus was being foxy at the time, he stated that had had very little contact with William or than the Conversion Solutions acquisition which was owned by William Tay.

I'll have to go back but if I remember correctly William Tay didn't have anything to do with Songwi or Wattle, those were Rufus and Ben's babies.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

GLTA
Wally

Wally, they may have been Rufus and Bens babies but Tay was the majority shareholder
Tay was the majority shareholder of Conversion Solutions. I don't remember his name being involved with Wattle or Songwi for that matter.

According to my research, Tay has started many companies and then sold them through mergers and Reverse Mergers. He steps aside and goes onto the next project. I'd have to go back but I believe that Babe found some other companies that William Tay had been involved with and that are still being traded on the market. I can't remember which ones they are right now but the information is in the old threads.

I'm not sure how much involvement Tay has or had once the sale of Conversion Solutions was final.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I just want to say that I am so proud of this board...what a great group of people who do excellent DD...better than anywhere.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Here is Arlitt's mining experience LGDI is not on the list.

http://infoventure.tsx.com/TSXVenture/TSXVentureHttpController?GetPage=PersonSum mary&PO_ID=758173&HC_FLAG1=on&HC_FLAG2=on
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
I just want to say that I am so proud of this board...what a great group of people who do excellent DD...better than anywhere.

St.Matt, I second that! {I'm sorry I don't dd much} so I am talking about everyone else. good job.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I just want to say that this is like going back a few months, when everyone here was working together and trying to get as much information as possible. There was no name calling or fighting just mind provoking questions and answers that spawned more questions and answers. I just wish one of us had been a medium and foreseen the future. Would have saved a lot of us a lot of headaches and such.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Can ANYONE explain wtf this means? [Smile]

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2003/06/23/0001132143-03-000010/Section5.asp
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Here is Arlitt's mining experience LGDI is not on the list.

http://infoventure.tsx.com/TSXVenture/TSXVentureHttpController?GetPage=PersonSum mary&PO_ID=758173&HC_FLAG1=on&HC_FLAG2=on

If we are going to hypothasize, then. It's not a huge reach that people in the same industry are acquanted, even though they may not have worked in the same company.

Yet, John seems to be more active in the Canadian ventures and Tay in the U.S.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I just want to say that this is like going back a few months, when everyone here was working together and trying to get as much information as possible. There was no name calling or fighting just mind provoking questions and answers that spawned more questions and answers. I just wish one of us had been a medium and foreseen the future. Would have saved a lot of us a lot of headaches and such.

GLTA
Wally

Got to second that also! I am know as mainly a lurker, but I sure have missed our board from before.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Dude...the black helecopters are going to come get you if you keep going.
[Smile]
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok sooooo since we are gettin jiggy wit' it ill throw this scenario out......

Tay has money and was interested in doing "something" with it so he opened a "blank check" company and advertised by filing a 10q. Rufus saw it and took him up on the deal...agreeing to be Tays puppet. Tay then funds Songwi Trust and Waatle...both of which Rufus and Ben get credit for co-founding. Tay then has them merge Songwi and Waatle into Conversion solutions leaving a real trail of 2 false companies merging into a new company Conversion solutions. During that time Tay resigns of any officer duties but stays on as a majority shareholder and instructs Rufus to find that perfect shell company to finish whatever "project" it is he is working on. They DD for some time and find Fronthaul going bankrupt but with contracts and heavily shorted and for whatever reason thats the perfect shell. Now what....


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Can ANYONE explain wtf this means? [Smile]

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2003/06/23/0001132143-03-000010/Section5.asp

It means the company was in need of money and took a loan of $50K from WT with an 8% interest payment.

My company extended some $100M in Debentures last year. Just used that capital in a 510M stock/cash purchase of another company.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Here is Arlitt's mining experience LGDI is not on the list.

http://infoventure.tsx.com/TSXVenture/TSXVentureHttpController?GetPage=PersonSum mary&PO_ID=758173&HC_FLAG1=on&HC_FLAG2=on

If we are going to hypothasize, then. It's not a huge reach that people in the same industry are acquanted, even though they may not have worked in the same company.

Yet, John seems to be more active in the Canadian ventures and Tay in the U.S.

GLTA
Wally

Maybe?

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0EIN/is_2005_Dec_22/ai_n15965354

NEW YORK -- Legend International Holdings Inc, (OTCBB:LGDI), a Delaware Corporation, announced today that it will focus its exploration endeavors towards diamonds, through acquisition of existing diamond exploration projects or through greenfield exploration targets. Exploration will focus on countries with known diamond occurrences including Australia, Canada and South Africa
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Looks like we need to give William a call! LOL
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Haha ok thanks for clearing that up Tax. As far as i was concerned debentures were to help you chew with
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Laughing my ass off...perfect post!!!

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
k i am burried is theories- best thing is to step away and come back in the morning. To much mythical crazy behind the curtain players......

Good night all-

 -


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Take it from someone with experience in energy and mining stocks...they all know each other. They usually hop around quit a bit. Always looking for the latest greatest deal to ride...and then sell.


quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Here is Arlitt's mining experience LGDI is not on the list.

http://infoventure.tsx.com/TSXVenture/TSXVentureHttpController?GetPage=PersonSum mary&PO_ID=758173&HC_FLAG1=on&HC_FLAG2=on

If we are going to hypothasize, then. It's not a huge reach that people in the same industry are acquanted, even though they may not have worked in the same company.

Yet, John seems to be more active in the Canadian ventures and Tay in the U.S.

GLTA
Wally


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Kinda like Mike Alexander is now...weird...who else has that many shares...Tut, William Tay?

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
rufus said that he learned about the rule 386 in a class... didnt he?
~BB

Babe,
I could be wrong but Rufus has stated over and over that he has learned everything via the internet. I believe he also stated that he learned of this rule via the internet. I could be wrong but that is the best of my recollection.
**************************************************
The above was a direct answer to Babe. Below is in reference to board discussion.


Well it's Deja Vu all over again. William Tay.

Unless Rufus was being foxy at the time, he stated that had had very little contact with William or than the Conversion Solutions acquisition which was owned by William Tay.

I'll have to go back but if I remember correctly William Tay didn't have anything to do with Songwi or Wattle, those were Rufus and Ben's babies.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

GLTA
Wally

Wally, they may have been Rufus and Bens babies but Tay was the majority shareholder

 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I'd have to go back but I believe that Babe found some other companies that William Tay had been involved with and that are still being traded on the market. I can't remember which ones they are right now but the information is in the old threads.

I'm not sure how much involvement Tay has or had once the sale of Conversion Solutions was final.

GLTA
Wally

http://www.secinfo.com/$/SEC/Name.asp?S=william+tay&List=S#Signatory


“William Tay”
a.k.a. “Tay William”
Latest Filing: 11/21/06 as Signatory
As: Registrant

* Tay William

As: Group Member (Non-Registrant Filer: Partner, Affiliate, etc.)
List All Filings as Group Member

Search Recent Filings (as Group Member) for “William Tay”
“William Tay” has been a Group Member with the following Registrant:

* Tay William

“William Tay” has/had a Group Member interest in the following 12 Registrants:

* Anacott Capital Corp
* Bilogic Inc [ formerly Discovery Capital Funding Corp ]
* Bluestar Enterprises Inc [ formerly Bluestar Ventures Inc ]
* California Clean Air Inc [ formerly Breakthrough Technology Partners I Inc ]
* DT Solutions Inc [ formerly Webtech International Investors Group Inc ]
* Enviromat Co Ltd [ formerly Prosperity Partners Inc ]
* Internet Capital Ventures & Assoc Inc
* Nuevo Financial Center/Inc [ formerly Millennium Capital Venture Holdings Inc ]
* Teldar Financial Inc
* Thunor International Inc
* Universal Equity Partners Inc
* Valesc Holdings Inc [ formerly Valesc Inc ]

“William Tay” has been a Group Member with the following Group Member:

* Dotcom Internet Ventures Ltd


As: Signatory (Director, Officer, Attorney, Accountant, Banker, Agent, etc.)
List All Filings as Signatory

Search Recent Filings (as Signatory) for “William Tay”
“William Tay” has been a Signatory for/with the following 40 Registrants:

* Amalgamated Acquisition Corp
* Anacott Capital Corp
* Argen Corp
* Asia Biotechnology Group Inc [ formerly Echelon Acquisition Corp ]
* Aux (Usa) Inc [ formerly Heritage Capital Group/Inc ]
* Bilogic Inc [ formerly Discovery Capital Funding Corp ]
* Bluestar Enterprises Inc [ formerly Bluestar Ventures Inc ]
* California Clean Air Inc [ formerly Breakthrough Technology Partners I Inc ]
* Centerline International Corp
* Coffeehouse Com Inc [ formerly Tower Global Ventures Corp ]
* Crescendo Acquisition Corp
* Dalian Capital Group/Inc
* Dotcom Internet Ventures Ltd [ Other - Argen Corp ]
* DSL International Inc [ formerly Totalseek Com Inc ]
* DT Solutions Inc [ formerly Webtech International Investors Group Inc ]
* Enviromat Co Ltd [ formerly Prosperity Partners Inc ]
* Enviromat Industries Co Ltd
* Global Eco-Logical Services Inc [ formerly Intercontinental Finance Corp ]
* Global Energy Group Inc [ formerly 1stopsale Com Holdings Inc ]
* Highlander Acquisition Corp
* Highriver Acquisition Corp
* Inouye Technologies Canada Inc
* Internet Capital Ventures & Assoc Inc
* Jeremys Microbatch Ice Creams Inc
* Kingsway Capital/Inc
* Legend International Holdings Inc [ formerly Sundew International Inc ]
* Mondeo Investments/Inc
* Nuevo Financial Center/Inc [ formerly Millennium Capital Venture Holdings Inc ]
* Playlogic Entertainment Inc [ formerly Donar Enterprises Inc ]
* Sentosa Financial Investments/LTD
* Spare Backup/Inc [ formerly Newport International Group Inc ]
* Stoneleigh Acquisition Corp
* Tay William
* Teldar Financial Inc
* Thunor International Inc
* Tong Ah Global Ventures Corp
* Universal Equity Partners Inc
* Urag Corp
* Valesc Holdings Inc [ formerly Valesc Inc ]
* Voorhees Acquisition Corp

“William Tay” has/had a Signatory interest in the following 26 Registrants:

* Anacott Capital Corp
* Argen Corp
* Asia Biotechnology Group Inc [ formerly Echelon Acquisition Corp ]
* Aux (Usa) Inc [ formerly Heritage Capital Group/Inc ]
* Bilogic Inc [ formerly Discovery Capital Funding Corp ]
* Bluestar Enterprises Inc [ formerly Bluestar Ventures Inc ]
* California Clean Air Inc [ formerly Breakthrough Technology Partners I Inc ]
* Crescendo Acquisition Corp
* Dalian Capital Group/Inc
* DSL International Inc [ formerly Totalseek Com Inc ]
* DT Solutions Inc [ formerly Webtech International Investors Group Inc ]
* Enviromat Co Ltd [ formerly Prosperity Partners Inc ]
* Global Energy Group Inc [ formerly 1stopsale Com Holdings Inc ]
* Highriver Acquisition Corp
* Internet Capital Ventures & Assoc Inc
* Jeremys Microbatch Ice Creams Inc
* Kingsway Capital/Inc
* Legend International Holdings Inc [ formerly Sundew International Inc ]
* Mondeo Investments/Inc
* Nuevo Financial Center/Inc [ formerly Millennium Capital Venture Holdings Inc ]
* Playlogic Entertainment Inc [ formerly Donar Enterprises Inc ]
* Teldar Financial Inc
* Thunor International Inc
* Universal Equity Partners Inc
* Valesc Holdings Inc [ formerly Valesc Inc ]
* Voorhees Acquisition Corp

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Well, its lookin like ive got me some spyware issues going on here, or cable is freakin out. Its getting quite late anyway so gnight ya'all
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Thanks Babe, You just saved me a night's sleep
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Take it from someone with experience in energy and mining stocks...they all know each other. They usually hop around quit a bit. Always looking for the latest greatest deal to ride...and then sell.


quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Here is Arlitt's mining experience LGDI is not on the list.

http://infoventure.tsx.com/TSXVenture/TSXVentureHttpController?GetPage=PersonSum mary&PO_ID=758173&HC_FLAG1=on&HC_FLAG2=on

If we are going to hypothasize, then. It's not a huge reach that people in the same industry are acquanted, even though they may not have worked in the same company.

Yet, John seems to be more active in the Canadian ventures and Tay in the U.S.

GLTA
Wally


Look up John Arlitt:

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/level2page1247.aspx
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Take it from someone with experience in energy and mining stocks...they all know each other. They usually hop around quit a bit. Always looking for the latest greatest deal to ride...and then sell.


quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Here is Arlitt's mining experience LGDI is not on the list.

http://infoventure.tsx.com/TSXVenture/TSXVentureHttpController?GetPage=PersonSum mary&PO_ID=758173&HC_FLAG1=on&HC_FLAG2=on

If we are going to hypothasize, then. It's not a huge reach that people in the same industry are acquanted, even though they may not have worked in the same company.

Yet, John seems to be more active in the Canadian ventures and Tay in the U.S.

GLTA
Wally


Look up John Arlitt:

http://www.zoominfo.com/people/level2page1247.aspx

Interesting very interesting
 
Posted by jm430 on :
 
Hi all, nice speculation on William Tay tonight. I hope something comes of it.

Anyway, not to bring an old subject up but does anybody have any idea on what would happen during a default judgement? I don't have a legal background, so would appreciate any help finding links or sources that would have the info.

Here's one I found (see bottom of my post for definition):
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/default+judgement

From that definition, it seems that default wouldn't equal the end of the world for CSHD as some have suggested. The judge seems to have the final say in what the penalties for CSHD would be if the default judgement were to come to completion. Some have said that the SEC takes over the company...does anybody have a link or source where I could verify this? I think a lot of people have come to conclusions without totally understanding the default judgement (I sure am).

The last sentence jumps out at me: "A defendant who fails to file an answer or other legal response when it is due can request that the default be set aside, but must show a legitimate excuse and a good defense to the lawsuit." Would a NOBO list/cert recall (as ConCarne from HSM suggests) be the 'legitimate excuse' or 'good defense' that Rufus would've used?

My personal opinion is that the Rufus bashing is illogical. If people are calling Rufus a liar and a conman, how can they defend that the bonds are real or that the company is worth anything? Have you heard the man talk? He KNOWS his stuff. I think he's still key to CSHD. Remember, he wanted the stock halted after the 10 day SEC suspension...SEC said no.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-SHC or Arlitt... I'm sceptical about them, that's all. Just because somebody believes they're doing the right thing, it doesn't mean they actually are. For example, look at Iraq. Are we really doing better now than before? Maybe maybe not... My point, please don't be so hasty to judge RPH when he's done so much already.

Anyway, I could be way off, but I'm just hoping we all still make it through this okay.

default judgment n. if a defendant in a lawsuit fails to respond to a complaint in the time set by law (usually 30 days), then the plaintiff (suer) can request that the default (failure) be entered into the court record by the clerk, which gives the plaintiff the right to get a default judgment. If the complaint was for a specific amount of money owed on a note, other money due, or a specific contract price (or if the amount due is easy to calculate) then the clerk of the court can enter a default judgment. If proof of damages or other relief is necessary, a hearing will be held in which the judge determines terms of the default judgment. In either case the defendant cannot speak for himself/herself. A defendant who fails to file an answer or other legal response when it is due can request that the default be set aside, but must show a legitimate excuse and a good defense to the lawsuit.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
wow...so we're saying if nothing changes much...and everybody else agrees otherwise? that proves what *they* were hoping against?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well I have cross referenced the complete of the William Tay companies against Arlitt's last name and have found no connection. Just FYI.

No visible tie to John or Arlitt financial. I will point out that several of the companies are Canadian. And I did locate a cool Edgar link on William Tay... Didn't look to see if it had already been posted or not. here you go.

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/PeopleFilingResults.aspx?PersonID=3009609
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Good morning board!

I didnt get enough sleep!! LOL

Anyway, first off this morning I want to add to the Tay stuff. Last night it appeared that CSHD might be "special" for Tay. Well, the link below takes some of that away for me. Maybe CSHD was just another private company for Tay......

http://www.secinfo.com/d19sN7.ve.htm

Exact same business model as Voorhees
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
Morning guys and girls. My thing that I think back to is with the audited 10K. Is there any reason that the auditor is not on any of the complaints? Wouldn't it make sense that the CPA that did the audit would have professional interest in this whole thing, and should be on the suit if he falsified anything in the financials? Or at least be party to investigation? Can someone who has had luck talking with Alana Black try asking her about the audited financials? Just a thought.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by unclerudy:
Morning guys and girls. My thing that I think back to is with the audited 10K. Is there any reason that the auditor is not on any of the complaints? Wouldn't it make sense that the CPA that did the audit would have professional interest in this whole thing, and should be on the suit if he falsified anything in the financials? Or at least be party to investigation? Can someone who has had luck talking with Alana Black try asking her about the audited financials? Just a thought.

Good morning ... I have a call into her. She was out of the office and wouldn't return until possibly later today.
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Good morning board!

I didnt get enough sleep!! LOL

Anyway, first off this morning I want to add to the Tay stuff. Last night it appeared that CSHD might be "special" for Tay. Well, the link below takes some of that away for me. Maybe CSHD was just another private company for Tay......
Good morning check this out

http://www.secinfo.com/d19sN7.ve.htm

Exact same business model as Voorhees


 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Good morning board!

I didnt get enough sleep!! LOL

Anyway, first off this morning I want to add to the Tay stuff. Last night it appeared that CSHD might be "special" for Tay. Well, the link below takes some of that away for me. Maybe CSHD was just another private company for Tay......
Opps
Good morning check this out

*************.google.com/group/misc.invest.canada/browse_thread/thread/f9c2d9d59 cabc66e/1739007c427067bc?lnk=st&q=john+arlitt&rnum=13&hl=en#1739007c427067bc

http://www.secinfo.com/d19sN7.ve.htm

Exact same business model as Voorhees


 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by unclerudy:
Morning guys and girls. My thing that I think back to is with the audited 10K. Is there any reason that the auditor is not on any of the complaints? Wouldn't it make sense that the CPA that did the audit would have professional interest in this whole thing, and should be on the suit if he falsified anything in the financials? Or at least be party to investigation? Can someone who has had luck talking with Alana Black try asking her about the audited financials? Just a thought.

i personally beleive that daryl horton and thomas benson both cpa's should be held professionally responsible if they falsified any of the financials on the 10-Q or otherwise. the aicpa has a peer review committee but we have to wait and see what the sec says about the financials before it is turned over to the peer review committee.

btw good discussion and dd last night. just what this board is noted for !
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Good morning board! Wow great DD last night...I sure wish I had interent at home, I missed all the fun!!
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Ya'll are forgetting that if a company makes up documents and numbers and feeds them to a CPA, there is nothing the CPA can do and is not held responsible...

When an audit is completed it says all of this in the report...as long as the auditor made an effort to prove the validity of the information given...he/she is in the clear...
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
Has anyone done a search on John Arlitt in google using groop search there is some interesting things there in newsgroups like misc.invest.canada Check it out
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
i agree with that CRab, but the financials seem to show representations of management rather than fact, like the accrual of 19 million dollars a/r. to me, this is probably invalid. if the sec says so that is grounds to go after the cpa's. a material misrepresentation of a known fact that was relied on and caused injury. jmho.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Good morning Bored
So Tay is gonna kick us down some profits or what?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
Has anyone done a search on John Arlitt in google using groop search there is some interesting things there in newsgroups like misc.invest.canada Check it out

Can you cut & paste it here? [Smile] Thanks...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So, let me try to recap from last night.

William Tay appears to be responsible for "organizational startup" of Conversion Solutions

- There are apparently 2 William Tay's, one from Singapore and the other the US

- Singapore Tay is a software developer with Microsoft Corp weighing in heavy on his resume. Doesnt look like our Tay however

- US Tay had a "blank check" company called Voorhees. That company seemed to be searching out a private company interested in a reverse shell merger with a public company

- William Tay buys 22,890,000 shares.....from Rufus? It says Tay is the CEO but he is buying shares from Rufus? I dont follow that

https://www.otcstockinfo.com/repository/658329/658329_FR8.pdf

"On April 22, 2005 Mr. William Tay, President & CEO and the Majority
shareholder entered into a Stock purchase agreement with Rufus Paul
Harris, CEO of Waatle Holdings Corp for the purchase of his 22,890.000
shares, the agreement had an original closing date of May 4, 2005. Thru
a contract extension the closing date was moved to June 7, 2005. On
June 7, 2005 all closure documents were finalized."
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
So what have we figured out? Conversion needs 200 million in assets which it does'nt have just to use a bond? And the Tay guy started this whole pile of $hit for a business?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So, let me try to recap from last night.

William Tay appears to be responsible for "organizational startup" of Conversion Solutions

- There are apparently 2 William Tay's, one from Singapore and the other the US

- Singapore Tay is a software developer with Microsoft Corp weighing in heavy on his resume. Doesnt look like our Tay however

- US Tay had a "blank check" company called Voorhees. That company seemed to be searching out a private company interested in a reverse shell merger with a public company

- William Tay buys 22,890,000 shares.....from Rufus? It says Tay is the CEO but he is buying shares from Rufus? I dont follow that

https://www.otcstockinfo.com/repository/658329/658329_FR8.pdf

"On April 22, 2005 Mr. William Tay, President & CEO and the Majority
shareholder entered into a Stock purchase agreement with Rufus Paul
Harris, CEO of Waatle Holdings Corp for the purchase of his 22,890.000
shares, the agreement had an original closing date of May 4, 2005. Thru
a contract extension the closing date was moved to June 7, 2005. On
June 7, 2005 all closure documents were finalized."

It reads to me that Rufus was buying Tay's shares
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
So what have we figured out? Conversion needs 200 million in assets which it does'nt have just to use a bond? And the Tay guy started this whole pile of $hit for a business?

It looks like Tay is a "deal maker" of sorts. He knew about the tax free "reorganization" loophole under section 368 of the IRS code of 1986 and seems to have targetted companies to use this option.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
New2, i think you are right. So, does this mean that Tay setup the merger and then sold the Conversion Solutions shell to Rufus? This would mean that Tay moved on in April and potentially has no position whatsoever in the company today.

If this is the case, Tay is a dead end trail (again). Maybe go back a step further, when waatle was founded.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Mr.Catia, the point i'm trying to solidify right now is that we need the 200 mil to have a bond. Does anybody have a link to that requirement?
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I don't think you "need" 200 mil to have a bond - I think you have to have 200 mil in assets to open a Euroclear account at all....board, am I wrong?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ahh, the jmoe stuff? I heard that was sent to Simon on SPR last night. Anyone hear that discussion?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Waatle Holdings Current Shareholders

Directors & Officers


Ben Stanley
9,000,000

Duwayne Woods
9,000,000

Rufus Harris
9,000,000

Gordon Mascarenhas
9,000,000

Brian Kanarek
9,000,000
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I believe you are correct. That is one of 4 requirements. All 4 have to be met.

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I don't think you "need" 200 mil to have a bond - I think you have to have 200 mil in assets to open a Euroclear account at all....board, am I wrong?


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Nice work New2. I will try to get some answers on who Gordon, Duwayne, and Brian are.

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Waatle Holdings Current Shareholders

Directors & Officers


Ben Stanley
9,000,000

Duwayne Woods
9,000,000

Rufus Harris
9,000,000

Gordon Mascarenhas
9,000,000

Brian Kanarek
9,000,000


 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
I believe you are correct. That is one of 4 requirements. All 4 have to be met.

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I don't think you "need" 200 mil to have a bond - I think you have to have 200 mil in assets to open a Euroclear account at all....board, am I wrong?


I am being naive again, but I still have issue with the fact that we were able to open a Euroclear account, so we obviously have SOMETHING good, if nothing more than 200 mil...why is this so _____ difficult to prove to the SEC?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
So since CSHD has a euroclear account the requirements were met at the time it was established?
What i'm trying to figure out here is if we have a chance in hell that this business plan can work. Rufus goes back and forth and no one else is talking about much.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
St Matt, Duwayne looks to be the guy behind InfinityOne. The other 2 are a mystery so far.......
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Waatle was incorporated in Arizona as a "diversified holdings" company on June 17, 2004, with Paul D. Potter of Gilbert, Ariz., in the role of statutory agent and Mr. Harris of Adairsville, Ga., as the chief executive officer.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
From last year :

Waatle Holdings Current Shareholders


Directors & Officers


Ben Stanley
9,000,000

Duwayne Woods
9,000,000

Rufus Harris
9,000,000

Gordon Mascarenhas
9,000,000

Brian Kanarek
9,000,000

Howard Schwartz,
600,000

Kevin Diamond
750,000

Peter Townsend
500,000

Bryan Price
500,000

Peter Croft
500,000

Jerry Bevins
500,000

Darryl Horton
500,000

John Walsh
500,000

Paul Potter
500,000


Institutional and Subsidiaries


1410694 Ontario Limited
6,309,000

Island Investments Inc.
7,000,000

Public Health Matters, Inc.
7,000,000

deSouza Trust
2,000,000

Songwi Trust
2,700,000

InfinityOne
4,000,000

CyberLott, Inc
4,000,000

Hacoumba
1,000,000

Point Click & Dream
200,000
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
FWIW a Brian Kanarek had a discussion on the net regarding a 10 million dollar US bond issued by the Washington Bank of America in 1935.

http://www.ziplink.net/~rey/ch/queries/messages/1998.html

A site discussing fraudlent US bonds
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/cc/ccphony3.htm

"Most of these fictitious obligations, on their face, refer to the Ministry of Finance of the United States and the Washington Bank of America. There never was a Ministry of Finance of the United States and to the best of our knowledge, the Washington Bank of America is non-existent. When confronted with this information, fraud artists still fall back on the "CIA did it and didn't tell anyone" routine. The visual appearance of a registered or bearer Treasury security is considerably different from so-called United States Dollar Bonds. "

A picture of a alleged fraudulent bond
http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/icons/ccdb.jpg

I dont know if it means anything but its all i can find on Brian. Gotta get some work done.....
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Thanks CATIA!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I dont know if anyone has read this. Its a very detailed breakdown of CSHD events. I post this not knowing where the guy got his facts so take it for what its worth. Its not a positive look into things so if you arent interested in Anti-cshd material do not read it. [Smile]

Personally i found it a good read.....

http://www.si lico ninves tor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22989151
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
CAT I read that yesterday....very interesting.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
hmmmmm...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
except it was written by Lee Webb [Eek!]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
except it was written by Lee Webb [Eek!]

Even so, the information in it as far as the people who are/were involved is true.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I know I meant to add a (sarcastic funny) to the end and forgot [Wink]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Chart...clean your mailbox out!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
New2 found this yesterday...I absorbed what I could, but look who it is written by... [Roll Eyes]

New2 is great at digging this stuff up...thanks New2 [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I dont know if anyone has read this. Its a very detailed breakdown of CSHD events. I post this not knowing where the guy got his facts so take it for what its worth. Its not a positive look into things so if you arent interested in Anti-cshd material do not read it. [Smile]

Personally i found it a good read.....

http://www.si lico ninves tor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22989151


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Chart...clean your mailbox out!

Sorry bud [Big Grin]

go ahead ~

-yeah new2's been ROCK'n! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
New2 found this yesterday...I absorbed what I could, but look who it is written by... [Roll Eyes]

New2 is great at digging this stuff up...thanks New2 [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I dont know if anyone has read this. Its a very detailed breakdown of CSHD events. I post this not knowing where the guy got his facts so take it for what its worth. Its not a positive look into things so if you arent interested in Anti-cshd material do not read it. [Smile]

Personally i found it a good read.....

http://www.si lico ninves tor.com/readmsg.aspx?msgid=22989151


Thanks St Matt! [Smile]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
OT~ My ECFL stock is up and running again! up 126%
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Mr. CATIA......I believe in giving credit where credit is due.....
As such, my recognition is that it was you, T.B., Cassity, B.B., and Surfer that asked were asking the questions last evening about songwi and waatle and Mr. Tay, etc......(apologies if I left out anyone as I just went through the last three pages pretty quickly to get caught up)....All I did was to post an observation about the websites, which appears to have provided you the spark to begin some good thought and your probing queries.....
It was y'all that started DDing and posting your findings and reasoning that resulted in some good questioning being performed...Your efforts last evening is why I like the Allstocks threads on CSHD and the resulting good DD is what I expect to be able to review when I log on to this site....GOOD JOB folks. [Big Grin] ........

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok, so if the EZship stuff doesnt ring your bell read this.....(portion of text edited out for sake of brevity).... Ok, im done for now. Gonna go watch TV. IMO Bucky has a good question about Songwi and Tay was a big investor in Songwi. Oh yea, and if you DD Tay you will find that he is a wireless fanatic. GPS, WiFi...etc

Bye for now [Smile]


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
OT~ My ECFL stock is up and running again! up 126%

-you still suk! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] jk ~~

-yeah that's making bank!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
OT~ My ECFL stock is up and running again! up 126%

-you still suk! [Big Grin] [Big Grin] jk ~~

-yeah that's making bank!

still going up!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I found it interesting that they Legends Intl. Holdings corp. debenture contract was between Micheal Tay and William Tay. Upon further searching, it looks like Micheal is William's dad. This is off of zoom:

Michael Tay, Chief Executive Officer, President and Treasurer of the Company, is the father of William Tay, the Company's Vice President and Secretary.

Don't know if this matters any.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
played it a few times the past 3 or so months... [Smile]
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
OT~ My ECFL stock is up and running again! up 126%


 
Posted by milliam on :
 
As for the whole Tay, Rufus thing. From what I read, Tay owned CVSU. He "sold" his 20 odd million shares to Rufus. Rufus then merged CVSU with Waatle.

I'm not sure if Tay is still a player here. I think Rufus's side of this holds the players.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
William Shakespear brought him up in a play he wrote I think. Stating, "Etu Bru Tay"!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I'm about ready to hear from our new CEO again.
It seems like there has been enough going on already in the recent past to get an update about something.
A duel to the death between Harris and Arlitt.
Arlitt needs to threaten Harris shares being taken back to get him to cooperate, whatever.
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
another screen icon is familiar with him can any one guess here's a hint (wookin pa nub in aw da wong pwaces) O-TAY
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
elmer fudd
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
think Eddie Murphy.

I knew when writing it I knew elmer would be a common guess
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RyanPBF:
another screen icon is familiar with him can any one guess here's a hint (wookin pa nub in aw da wong pwaces) O-TAY

Buckwheat
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I can't remember Eddie Murphy talking that way or even being irish for that matter.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
played it a few times the past 3 or so months... [Smile]
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
OT~ My ECFL stock is up and running again! up 126%


http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=ECFL&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p50597051925

Looks like that one has some left in it too...

"Savor the flavor" [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by RyanPBF:
another screen icon is familiar with him can any one guess here's a hint (wookin pa nub in aw da wong pwaces) O-TAY

Buckwheat
Saturday Night Live...

Those were the best! lol ~~
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
ding ding ding

new2 you win a ....

sorry nothing I'm broke from cshd [Big Grin]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RyanPBF:
ding ding ding

new2 you win a ....

sorry nothing I'm broke from cshd [Big Grin]

LMAO!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Ryan - you could at least give her some of your shares....
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
I could but she would still unfortunately win nothing [Smile]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
SherriT did you get a letter fromthe SEC with some answers to questions? If so could you post it.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I have an idea why doesn't someone call Alana Black & ask her some questions.....ask what they are looking for, what CSHD needs to do to prove ownership of the bond, ask if the current management is cooperating......then maybe things would be clearer.....

Sherri posted a few days ago that she got a letter back from a government official & an attorney from the SEC & that it was quite detailed & only a few people questioned her about it.....maybe some answers are in that letter & if they are willing to answer SHerri's questions I'm sure if someone called they would answer their's too but who knows?


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RyanPBF:
I could but she would still unfortunately win nothing [Smile]

.20 [Frown]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
SherriT did you get a letter fromthe SEC with some answers to questions? If so could you post it.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I have an idea why doesn't someone call Alana Black & ask her some questions.....ask what they are looking for, what CSHD needs to do to prove ownership of the bond, ask if the current management is cooperating......then maybe things would be clearer.....

Sherri posted a few days ago that she got a letter back from a government official & an attorney from the SEC & that it was quite detailed & only a few people questioned her about it.....maybe some answers are in that letter & if they are willing to answer SHerri's questions I'm sure if someone called they would answer their's too but who knows?


I actually wrote letters to my two state senators and my local US congressman. All three responded - one was a total loser who will never receive my vote because this is the SECOND time he has ducked helping on a legitimate issue, the other two responded, and the congressman managed to get me a letter back from the SEC Atlanta division. Kudos to him! It really doesn't answer all that many questions, but provides a summary and timeline from the SEC on the steps they have taken and how CSHD has responded. If I were them, I would have sued too. The congressman even followed up to be sure I'd received my copy of the letter....wish all politicians were as good as this guy!

Would be happy to post, but I don't think the scanned image would be very readable. I will be happy to share a fax copy for those who request it.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
OK SherriT thanks. I have been calling Alana Black all morning. She's out causing trouble someplace.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
If someone is named "Blind faith" does that mean what they say wasn't really confirmed [Razz]


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Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RyanPBF:
think Eddie Murphy.

I knew when writing it I knew elmer would be a common guess

 -
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
SherriT you have a PM about the fax offer. 2 PMs
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya I was'nt watching SNL much during that time. He does'nt look like a Murphy. Oh well. [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by RyanPBF:
think Eddie Murphy.

I knew when writing it I knew elmer would be a common guess

 -

 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Well, since a couple of people have asked about it, I have decided to type the contents....from Stephen E. Donahue Asst. District Administrator, Atlanta District Office:

"I am responding to you October 27, 2006 e-mail to Congressman Jo Bonner, at his request. You have expressed concern about the basis for Commission's recent action against Conversion Solutions Holding Corp.

As you know, on October 24, 2006, the Commission, acting under its statutory power, announced a 10-business day temporary trading suspension of Conversion Solutions's securities. The Commission suspending trading the securities of Conversion Solutions because of questions that had been raised about the accuracy and adequacy of press releases and public filings with the Commission concerning, amoung other things, the Company's purported ownership and control of two bond issuances, in the face amounts of E5 billion and $500 million, respectively, issued by the Republic of Venezuela, and the Company's purported contractual relationship with Deutsche Bank.

That same day, the Commission filed suit against Conversion Solutions and its CEO, Rufus Paul Harris, in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia (Securities and Exchange Commission v. Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation, et al., 1:06-cv-02568-CC), alleging, among other things, that Conversion Solutions and Mr. Harris had violated the anti-fraud provisions of the federal securities laws by making false claims in the press releases and filings referenced above. Upon filing its suit, the Commission asked the Court for emergency relief, including a temporary restraining order against both Conversion Solutions and Mr. Harris. In support of its request for emergency relief, the Commission also filed a Memorandum of Law, which outlined some of the Commission's investigative steps taken before filing the suit - including its repeated unsuccesful attempts to obtain information from the officers of Conversion Solutions--and set forth the Commission's basis for believing that Conversion Solutions and Mr. Harris had made false claims concerning the two Venezuelan bond issuances, noted above, and the Company's purported contractual relationship with Deutsche Bank.

On October 25, 2006, the court held a hearing on the Commission's motion for emergency relief. Conversion Solutions's officers Rufus Harris, Sabra Dabbs, and Benjamin Stanley attended the hearing, and were allowed by the judge to speak on behalf of Conversion Solutions and submit several items of documentary evidence to the court. Following the hearing, Judge Clarence Cooper granted the Commissions's motion for a temporary restraining order and other equitable relief. The next day, on October 26, 2006, the Court issued a written order memorializing that decision.

On November 7, 2006, the Court issued preliminary injunctions as to both Mr. Harris and Conversion Solutions. In granting the preliminary injunctions, the Court noted that Mr. Harris had consented to the issuance of the injunction and that Conversion Solutions, through its then-CEO, Michael Alexander, had indicated that it did not oppose the issuance of the injunction.

On November 17, 2006, the Clerk of Court, on the Commission's application, issued an Entry of Default against Conversion Solutions, which had failed to file an answer in the lawsuit.

We hope this addresses your concerns about the basis of the Commission's enforcement action against Conversion Solutions and Mr. Harris.

Sincerely,

Stephen E. Donahue
Assistant District Administrator"

And no, they don't know that Solutions' should not be Solutions's [Big Grin] but otherwise...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It would be nice if he could elaborate a little.
I can see the storm part.
I guess thats why we got a PR company and SHC, so we could pick little clues off of the boards. Some little crumb of hope to cling to like getting a whole pea put on our plate on thanks giving day. [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
If someone is named "Blind faith" does that mean what they say wasn't really confirmed [Razz]


blindfaith
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: The Rock, TX
Posts: 166 OKAY, it's confirmed...there IS a Santa Claus and he just made an early visit. The company IS going in the right direction now that JA is in charge, but "we are IN the storm" (i.e. not through it). Also, TonySoprano was right about everything he said.
__________________
It's all good


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Thanks Sherri!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
SherriT, Thank you.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
frank it' sounds more positive than I have lately.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Tex:

This is what we were discussing (from SherriT letter to congressman) the other night.

During the "hearing" held on oct 25th I believe the TRO could have included ceasing the operations of the company during this time if CSHD would not have submitted adequate evidence on this date.

That is not to say they are vindicated- just that they must have showed the court SOMETHING in order to keep the doors open and RPH not to be forced into stepping down. When I say shut the doors- it doesn't mean close the company down, I am merely talking about freezing the company while its determined if its 100% fraud or not.


[PASTE]
On October 25, 2006, the court held a hearing on the Commission's motion for emergency relief. Conversion Solutions's officers Rufus Harris, Sabra Dabbs, and Benjamin Stanley attended the hearing, and were allowed by the judge to speak on behalf of Conversion SOlutions and submit several items of documentary evidence to the court. Following the hearing, Judge Clarence Cooper granted the Commissions's motion for a temporary restraining order and other equitable relief. The next day, on October 26, 2006, the Court issued a written order memorializing that decision.

On November 7, 2006, the Court issued preliminary injunctions as to both Mr. Harris and Conversion Solutions. In granting the preliminary injunctions, the Court noted that Mr. Harris had consented to the issuance of the injunction and that Conversion Solutions, through its tehn-CEO, Michael Alexander, had indicated that it did not oppose the issuance of the injunction.
[END PASTE]
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
On November 17, 2006, the Clerk of Court, on the Commission's application, issued an Entry of Default against Conversion Solutions, which had failed to file an answer in the lawsuit.--------------- so the default stands?
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
The part that I really got out of the letter (because most we dissected from Pacer documents) was that CSHD has done a really poor job all along of responding to, or addressing the SEC's issues.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
as far I know madmoney nothing has been presented publicly about the default-


-fw
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
If someone is named "Blind faith" does that mean what they say wasn't really confirmed [Razz]


blindfaith
HSM Newbie




Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: The Rock, TX
Posts: 166 OKAY, it's confirmed...there IS a Santa Claus and he just made an early visit. The company IS going in the right direction now that JA is in charge, but "we are IN the storm" (i.e. not through it). Also, TonySoprano was right about everything he said.
__________________
It's all good

so what! ------- what does this mean?, the company has told us NOTHING! we do not KNOW what direction they are moving in! we do not KNOW if they are doing anything!. and what did tonysoprano say and why should i care? is he an officer of the copmany? we only have one of those (confirmed) thats ARLIT who is silent so far.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
If someone is named "Blind faith" does that mean what they say wasn't really confirmed [Razz]


blindfaith
HSM Newbie




Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: The Rock, TX
Posts: 166 OKAY, it's confirmed...there IS a Santa Claus and he just made an early visit. The company IS going in the right direction now that JA is in charge, but "we are IN the storm" (i.e. not through it). Also, TonySoprano was right about everything he said.
__________________
It's all good

so what! ------- what does this mean?, the company has told us NOTHING! we do not KNOW what direction they are moving in! we do not KNOW if they are doing anything!. and what did tonysoprano say and why should i care? is he an officer of the copmany? we only have one of those (confirmed) thats ARLIT who is silent so far.
Mad, I have become somewhat of a skeptic too only because I have been bombarded with things going wrong lately. I will say that as much as I want to know what the company is doing, I feel very good about the fact that JA isn't jumping on couches and professing how golden we are...I am having blind faith that the company IS moving in the right direction if for no other reason than we haven't seen the SEC aim for receivership, and we feel like JA is actually working with them. Surely, there have to be SOME assets, hopefully the big ones, because that Euroclear account does exist...IMHO

I still believe in Santa [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
A way to resolve this whole deal would be to give the questionable bonds to the SEC and use the ones they are'nt asking about. Ya right.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
A way to resolve this whole deal would be to give the questionable bonds to the SEC and use the ones they are'nt asking about. Ya right.

I think the whole Deutsche Bank thing was as much at issue as the bonds themselves....
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
On November 17, 2006, the Clerk of Court, on the Commission's application, issued an Entry of Default against Conversion Solutions, which had failed to file an answer in the lawsuit.--------------- so the default stands?

if the default still stands and the company makes no effort to address this issue the next step by the SEC will be to have the stock delisted! good luck with our " investment " if that happens!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey- everyone on here does some great dd!!! Today I'd like to give props to New2, our little "PI"....thanks New2 for all you do....on the board & behind the scenes... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I think the company is working very closely with the SEC now that JA is in charge. Don't you think the SEC would jump all over the latest filings and/or PRs if there was ANY room for them to do it? May take time, but...
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
There have been several plausible theories discussed recently that might explain why CSHD has taken a downward spin. However, there is one theory that might help “connect the dots” that has yet to be been discussed.

The theory I believe we should be looking at is that ‘Rufus Paul Harris knows where Jimmy Hoffa is buried’. As a result, the SEC, FBI, IRS, INS, FDA, CIA, NSA, NTSB, AFL-CIO, and the MOB have all conspired and are working in concert with subpennyradio.com to destroy CSHD and discredit RPH. [Eek!]

If not for this atrocious injustice, we would be golden.

Has anyone seen my crack pipe and bologna sandwich? [Mad]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I think the company is working very closely with the SEC now that JA is in charge. Don't you think the SEC would jump all over the latest filings and/or PRs if there was ANY room for them to do it? May take time, but...

VERY GOOD POINT SHERRI!!! MAKES SENSE....
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Here, here...New2 really does do a lot of work (behind the scenes) that she does not get credit for. Thanks for helping me personally when I can't spend too much time on here because of work constraints.

Damnit Rufus...I was hoping to not be working anymore!

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey- everyone on here does some great dd!!! Today I'd like to give props to New2, our little "PI"....thanks New2 for all you do....on the board & behind the scenes... [Big Grin]


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Hell, let them have the bank too. [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
A way to resolve this whole deal would be to give the questionable bonds to the SEC and use the ones they are'nt asking about. Ya right.

I think the whole Deutsche Bank thing was as much at issue as the bonds themselves....

 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey- everyone on here does some great dd!!! Today I'd like to give props to New2, our little "PI"....thanks New2 for all you do....on the board & behind the scenes... [Big Grin]

Thanks Jenna! [Embarrassed] [Smile]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
It is my understanding that John is working with the SEC every step of the way....every move he makes...every breath he takes...ok...I'll stop.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I think the company is working very closely with the SEC now that JA is in charge. Don't you think the SEC would jump all over the latest filings and/or PRs if there was ANY room for them to do it? May take time, but...

VERY GOOD POINT SHERRI!!! MAKES SENSE....

 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Thank you again St Matt.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
New2 - Is that red face supposed to be an embarassed (blushing) face? I could never figure that one out...
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
New2 - Is that red face supposed to be an embarassed (blushing) face? I could never figure that one out...

yeah I think so....lol or I'm just having a hot flash!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Thanks SherriT for the type up. It didn't say much more than I thought, but it did mention the fact that Rufus didn't cooperate. Seems like that's a big reason for the lawsuit. Makes sense.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Definite props to the people who keep us regularly employed people somewhat in the game...if this blasted stock would make me, well, comfortable, I would be more than happy to work between field trips to share the burden...
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
check this out...on HSM

Welcome to our newest member, tutenkhamen
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
check this out...on HSM

Welcome to our newest member, tutenkhamen

Interesting, maybe he isn't CEO anymore....It is about that time, isn't it? [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Thanks SherriT for the type up. It didn't say much more than I thought, but it did mention the fact that Rufus didn't cooperate. Seems like that's a big reason for the lawsuit. Makes sense.

Very welcome. I was pleasantly surprised I got that long a letter from the SEC explaining itself. We were all outraged at the SEC, but had Rufus cooperated beforehand, I don't think we would be having any of these discussions (assuming the bonds are real, that is). So many of us believed everything that we were told by Rufus without remembering that the truth generally lies somewhere in the middle...
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
She is rumored to be a neighbor of Mike A. No confirmation on that.

Follow up to this post:
Today, 12:46 PM #8291
blindfaith
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Originally Posted by ww2player
oookay... WTH are you talking about? lol confirmed?.. early visit?

Just really comforting information. We're not out of the woods, yet, but there is a light at the end of the tunnel and, no, it's not the train!


quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
If someone is named "Blind faith" does that mean what they say wasn't really confirmed [Razz]

blindfaith
HSM Newbie

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: The Rock, TX
Posts: 166 OKAY, it's confirmed...there IS a Santa Claus and he just made an early visit. The company IS going in the right direction now that JA is in charge, but "we are IN the storm" (i.e. not through it). Also, TonySoprano was right about everything he said.
__________________
It's all good


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
check this out...on HSM

Welcome to our newest member, tutenkhamen

Interesting, maybe he isn't CEO anymore....It is about that time, isn't it? [Roll Eyes]
I think someone's just trying to do an impersonation.....
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
check this out...on HSM

Welcome to our newest member, tutenkhamen

Interesting, maybe he isn't CEO anymore....It is about that time, isn't it? [Roll Eyes]
HUSH! It is spelled differently though....tutankhamen vs. tutenkhamen...could very well be someone trying to "take his place"
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
LOL Jenna - we are now sharing brainwaves!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
LOL Jenna - we are now sharing brainwaves!

Theres not enough to go between ya! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey- anyone know which hotels are good to stay at in Vegas?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
check this out...on HSM

Welcome to our newest member, tutenkhamen

it's spelled differently than our tut
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
LOL Jenna - we are now sharing brainwaves!

Theres not enough to go between ya! [Big Grin]
Low blow Cat! I can hold my own...didn't get a degree in C.S. and Statistics on my looks [Big Grin]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey- anyone know which hotels are good to stay at in Vegas?

I really enjoyed the Mirage...I would probably try either New York New York or Caesar's on a return trip.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Dunno if this has been posted yet, but..

" JustLearning
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Posts: 628

FYI everyone -
I called and spoke with Veronica Thomason at MPR Source. She said that they would be handling future PRs for CSHD. She said that she cannot give me timing at all but that there are "things happening" and PRs coming."

Somewhat positive.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
later all, have to take the little one to karate class!
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
"HHHHIIIIIIIIII YAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH"

Have a good evening, New2!

Good info, Igor...hope we will see evidence of that in the coming days.
 
Posted by Spooky on :
 
Hi guys,

I've taken the some time off so I'm wondering if I missed anything of substance since the end of last month.

I notice there have been no PR's or Filings, has anything been happening I should know about since we got the new CEO and Portman became the new SHC chairman?

-Spooky
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey- anyone know which hotels are good to stay at in Vegas?

The Luxor and New York are nice. If you go on hotels.com and pull up Vegas they give you the prices and location to the strip. [Smile]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Today, 03:14 PM #8388
JustLearning
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Posts: 630

FYI everyone -
I called and spoke with Veronica Thomason at MPR Source. She said that they would be handling future PRs for CSHD. She said that she cannot give me timing at all but that there are "things happening" and PRs coming.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Not as far as I know...

quote:
Originally posted by Spooky:
Hi guys,

I've taken the some time off so I'm wondering if I missed anything of substance since the end of last month.

I notice there have been no PR's or Filings, has anything been happening I should know about since we got the new CEO and Portman became the new SHC chairman?

-Spooky


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey- anyone know which hotels are good to stay at in Vegas?

The Luxor and New York are nice. If you go on hotels.com and pull up Vegas they give you the prices and location to the strip. [Smile]
Thanks- thinking about going in Feb.....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Tex:

This is what we were discussing (from SherriT letter to congressman) the other night.

During the "hearing" held on oct 25th I believe the TRO could have included ceasing the operations of the company during this time if CSHD would not have submitted adequate evidence on this date.

That is not to say they are vindicated- just that they must have showed the court SOMETHING in order to keep the doors open and RPH not to be forced into stepping down. When I say shut the doors- it doesn't mean close the company down, I am merely talking about freezing the company while its determined if its 100% fraud or not.


[PASTE]
On October 25, 2006, the court held a hearing on the Commission's motion for emergency relief. Conversion Solutions's officers Rufus Harris, Sabra Dabbs, and Benjamin Stanley attended the hearing, and were allowed by the judge to speak on behalf of Conversion SOlutions and submit several items of documentary evidence to the court. Following the hearing, Judge Clarence Cooper granted the Commissions's motion for a temporary restraining order and other equitable relief. The next day, on October 26, 2006, the Court issued a written order memorializing that decision.

On November 7, 2006, the Court issued preliminary injunctions as to both Mr. Harris and Conversion Solutions. In granting the preliminary injunctions, the Court noted that Mr. Harris had consented to the issuance of the injunction and that Conversion Solutions, through its tehn-CEO, Michael Alexander, had indicated that it did not oppose the issuance of the injunction.
[END PASTE]

nope...

court was not asked to freeze anything or seize anything. The "something" you're hoping for simply doesn't exist. That's just not the way things work...
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Updated from the cvsu.us - JV's and Subs page.

JV, Subsidiaries and Potential Subsidiaries

The following content is under review by the Board of Directors.

Financial Maintenance

We are very selective of our business models and are only selecting models that are capable of financially sustaining large national infrastructure programs such as Education Reform, National Transportation Infrastructure and Electrification Reform .

-------------------------------------------------

From the Songwi.com - Conversion Solutions - Future Projects page

1. National Education Facilities and Standardized Studies Reform Program, Head-start through University

Building an alternative nationwide education system, including structures, teachers and curriculum, where each child gets exactly the same first class education as the next child no matter which city he or she resides in at no cost to the child, parents or government division.

2. Research Program for Developing a Viable High-speed Commercial Ground Transport System to Replace the Antiquated System of Railroads

Development of a 500 mph electrically powered ground transport ( Cobra Air Train ) system to replace all commuter trains and to compete with less energy efficient and polluting commercial aircraft. Secondarily, development of a heavy lift transport to replace all cargo-carrying railroad trains in the United States of America. Tertiarily, develop and implement a light cargo transportation system to replace most of the semi-truck traffic on the nation’s interstate highways.

3. Coastal Seas Electrical Energy Generation Program

Building and installing a series of nuclear powered electrical generation platforms, on the ocean floor, that will produce clean safe electrical energy for Southern California, the Gulf Coast and Eastern Seaboard of the United States; The goal is to supply 55 million homes with electrical energy and retire as many oil and coal fired electrical generation plants as possible and eliminate the troublesome brownouts that are experienced by both coasts.

4. Research and Development Program to Design and Build an Alternative Fuel Fleet Vehicle with Standardized Refueling System and Related Infrastructure

Development and building of vehicles usually purchased in quantity for a specific purpose that will utilize only alternative fuels such as; police cruisers, ambulances, interagency motor pool vehicles, fire trucks, etc. Development and implementation of a simple efficient refueling system for these, and possibly other, alternative fueled vehicles that will be available nationwide.

5. Research and Development Program for designing “The New Navy’s” next Generation Ship Configuration and Propulsion System

Development of three minimal-crew, composite, bi-hulled, assault/screening vessel classifications for the New United States Navy; These ships will be equipped with a next generation underwater propulsion system which will allow the vessel to attain very high speeds on the water and meet today’s and tomorrow’s threats with minimal service people at risk.

6. Downtown Tempe, Arizona Business District Revitalization Program Utilizing Planned Recreation/Retail Commerce Zones

Building a state-of-the-art Iron Ride Park on city property to enhance the synergy and retail traffic flow to the Tempe Town Lake and River Walk Recreation/Retail Commerce Zones. Secondarily, buyout and complete construction of Phases l, 2, 3 and 4 of the Lakeside Commercial Development as a cyclical to the three above mentioned Recreation/Retail Commerce Zones cumulating in longer customer visits and vacations to the area.

7. Mississippi River Flood Water’s Diversion and Drought Remediation Program

Transporting potential floodwaters from the Mississippi River Flood Basin, via large canals, to lakes and reservoirs throughout the states of Texas, New Mexico and Arizona before the river rises to flood stage.

8. First Response Oil Spill and Coastline Reclamation and Oil Remediation Program

Build a flotilla of ships fitted with oil skimming equipment and capture tanks to reclaim oil spills at sea. Additionally, ocean-to-beach running hovercrafts fitted with solvent injected earth tumbling machines that will process shoreline sand/soil/rocks, reclaim the spilled oil and return the shoreline back to pre-spill condition.

9. Research and Development Program for Building an Alternative Energy Fueled Commercial Commuter Aircraft

Development of a viable commercial aircraft that is powered by a non-polluting alternative fuel source.

10. Programs to Build and Operate a Radioactive Materials and Atomic Waste Reclamation and Disposal Facility

Build and operate, in a remote location, a radioactive materials and atomic waste reclamation/remediation and disposal facility.

Coincidence...I think not!

If you have not seen this website...I suggest you check it out...it's very impressive....and it's got CSHD written all over it!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Jenna ~ stayed at New York a few years ago. Rooms were pretty nice, a bit small but more than what I needed. I was there three days, and the sheets were never turned back once. Cleaned up at the Craps tables. (Boy that sounds wierd reading back over that!) Like the fact that the tram connects New York to several other casinos. I did take time out to ride the roller coaster on the roof. (Wish I hadn't. j/k They compted me the ticket. Anyone with a death wish should get their body weight up to about 240lbs. and ride that coaster. If you don't fall off the roof, you at least die of a good heart attack.)

Above all enjoy your trip and treat your money there just like you would a penny stock here, and you will be fine. [Smile]

TB
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
st. matthew, what is the point of posting that?
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
jenna try the luxor pyramid. just a tramride to excalibur cross the street to nyny and the tram is right there at mgm grand for the rest of the strip. luxor is a class act imho.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
The statement of "We are very selective of our business models and are only selecting models that are capable of financially sustaining large national infrastructure programs such as Education Reform, National Transportation Infrastructure and Electrification Reform." is new...is it not?!? Doesn’t matter…not really my point.

The Subs and JV's (currently) listed on the cvsu.us website have nothing in common with that (mission) statement. The Subs and JV's (currently) listed on the cvsu.us website are not what they are looking to fund...It's the Future Projects on the Songwi.cim website that they are looking to fund. This is why people who seemed to be in the know-boat hinted that this was much bigger than we realize.

It has been rumored (I even theorized, but have not said anything at the risk of sounding like I was drinking too much kool-aide) that Rufus put those there to fool the shorts, but I had nothing substantial to go on. You have to admit that the JV's and Subs listed on the cvsu.us website never had you turning cartwheels. We were all saying and / or thinking..."what's the big deal about these companies?" Hell…we could not find info on half of them.

Take a look at the songwi.com website. It’s basically the Conversion Solutions website…only 10 times better. Very professionally done. Why was it hiding under the songwi.com name?


quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
st. matthew, what is the point of posting that?


 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
it is probably hiding under the songwi.com because rufus still has control over it and it doesn't have anything to do with cshd. it is a nice dream and a nice presentation but the reality so far has proven to be very different. all show and no go !! you have been around this stock a long time. where do you honestly think it is going to end up?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
LOL Jenna - we are now sharing brainwaves!

Theres not enough to go between ya! [Big Grin]
Low blow Cat! I can hold my own...didn't get a degree in C.S. and Statistics on my looks [Big Grin]
I concede [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
no pumping or bs either st matthew. if i was your brother what you advise me to do with this stock? hold, buy more, or sell out?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
it is probably hiding under the songwi.com because rufus still has control over it and it doesn't have anything to do with cshd. it is a nice dream and a nice presentation but the reality so far has proven to be very different. all show and no go !! you have been around this stock a long time. where do you honestly think it is going to end up?

Well....the moon....of course LOL
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
no pumping or bs either st matthew. if i was your brother what you advise me to do with this stock? hold, buy more, or sell out?

If you were already in I would say hold.

In a few days I might say buy more....
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey- anyone know which hotels are good to stay at in Vegas?

I always stay at NY NY- good times and a good fun piano bar downstairs!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Tex:

This is what we were discussing (from SherriT letter to congressman) the other night.

During the "hearing" held on oct 25th I believe the TRO could have included ceasing the operations of the company during this time if CSHD would not have submitted adequate evidence on this date.

That is not to say they are vindicated- just that they must have showed the court SOMETHING in order to keep the doors open and RPH not to be forced into stepping down. When I say shut the doors- it doesn't mean close the company down, I am merely talking about freezing the company while its determined if its 100% fraud or not.


[PASTE]
On October 25, 2006, the court held a hearing on the Commission's motion for emergency relief. Conversion Solutions's officers Rufus Harris, Sabra Dabbs, and Benjamin Stanley attended the hearing, and were allowed by the judge to speak on behalf of Conversion SOlutions and submit several items of documentary evidence to the court. Following the hearing, Judge Clarence Cooper granted the Commissions's motion for a temporary restraining order and other equitable relief. The next day, on October 26, 2006, the Court issued a written order memorializing that decision.

On November 7, 2006, the Court issued preliminary injunctions as to both Mr. Harris and Conversion Solutions. In granting the preliminary injunctions, the Court noted that Mr. Harris had consented to the issuance of the injunction and that Conversion Solutions, through its tehn-CEO, Michael Alexander, had indicated that it did not oppose the issuance of the injunction.
[END PASTE]

nope...

court was not asked to freeze anything or seize anything. The "something" you're hoping for simply doesn't exist. That's just not the way things work...

Ok so no matter how blatent a fraud is that the SEC stumbles upon you are suggesting that nobody (court or SEC) can do anything to immediately protect the investors.

Good to know I suppose [Wink]
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
you have a good point surfer. after the big drop, it is probably right just to hold and tack the cert to the bulletin board for a while. i think it is too risky to flip right right now - not enough movement and it may be revoked but that is supposition. no one knows right now. jmho. a few more days should tell the whole story.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
no pumping or bs either st matthew. if i was your brother what you advise me to do with this stock? hold, buy more, or sell out?

If you were already in I would say hold.

In a few days I might say buy more....

For me personally, this is an attractive stock and price based on the upside potential and probability of success as I see it.

Investing is and always will be about risk versus reward. Based on what we can touch and feel right now, odds seem to be that CVSU will revive itself and take a shot at putting their business plan into action. When that will happen and to what degree is another subject altogether.

True, there is an SEC investigation and management shakeup. However, there is also the Euroclear account and by all indications there are assets there that CVSU can access and leverage. In fact, the information regarding the establishment of a Euroclear account is more conclusive and verifiable than anything coming from the SEC investigation. That information points to a legitimacy in CVSU that somehow has gained it access to some pretty big assets.

So this might be a nice place for a prudent amount of your pennyland money based on your particular circumstances and if you believe the weight of the Euroclear DD is stronger than the probability that the SEC will literally drive this company into non-existence. That is your decision.

And by the way, CVSU is not the only entity being investigated. The Congressional interviews of the SEC folks related to the John Mack case ended with some pretty harsh criticism of the SEC's enforcement division and the promise from one Senator that "we are not through with this yet."

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
humble you are dead on about the fact that investing is and always will be about risk versus reward. and that can be a very personal thing. last night's discussion proved how effective posting dd could be in helping people keep up with what is going on. let's see what happens because i read on hsm that the attorney wasn't hired to deal with the sec but with rufus. the sec has the upper hand and how they play it will prove the future of the stock. if it starts moving again on solid ground, i will be right it there with you making money with this stock. like catia and surfer said.. in a few days!!!

posting meaningless pumps won't help anybody right now imho. let's keep focused on the facts and not diversions.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Tex:

This is what we were discussing (from SherriT letter to congressman) the other night.

During the "hearing" held on oct 25th I believe the TRO could have included ceasing the operations of the company during this time if CSHD would not have submitted adequate evidence on this date.

That is not to say they are vindicated- just that they must have showed the court SOMETHING in order to keep the doors open and RPH not to be forced into stepping down. When I say shut the doors- it doesn't mean close the company down, I am merely talking about freezing the company while its determined if its 100% fraud or not.


[PASTE]
On October 25, 2006, the court held a hearing on the Commission's motion for emergency relief. Conversion Solutions's officers Rufus Harris, Sabra Dabbs, and Benjamin Stanley attended the hearing, and were allowed by the judge to speak on behalf of Conversion SOlutions and submit several items of documentary evidence to the court. Following the hearing, Judge Clarence Cooper granted the Commissions's motion for a temporary restraining order and other equitable relief. The next day, on October 26, 2006, the Court issued a written order memorializing that decision.

On November 7, 2006, the Court issued preliminary injunctions as to both Mr. Harris and Conversion Solutions. In granting the preliminary injunctions, the Court noted that Mr. Harris had consented to the issuance of the injunction and that Conversion Solutions, through its tehn-CEO, Michael Alexander, had indicated that it did not oppose the issuance of the injunction.
[END PASTE]

nope...

court was not asked to freeze anything or seize anything. The "something" you're hoping for simply doesn't exist. That's just not the way things work...

Ok so no matter how blatent a fraud is that the SEC stumbles upon you are suggesting that nobody (court or SEC) can do anything to immediately protect the investors.

Good to know I suppose [Wink]

lol, suspension, greys, TROs, injunctions...you call that nothing? [Razz]

Perhaps you'd prefer the "old days," when SEC would issue serial suspensions...for months or even years? No hearings, no court, no nothing except another suspension tacked on once the preceding suspension ended? Talk about leaving shareholders in the dark... [Eek!]

And, ya, emergency seizures can occur: remember, I provided a link to one the other day? China Energy, as I recall...
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
no pumping or bs either st matthew. if i was your brother what you advise me to do with this stock? hold, buy more, or sell out?

If you were already in I would say hold.

In a few days I might say buy more....

For me personally, this is an attractive stock and price based on the upside potential and probability of success as I see it.

Investing is and always will be about risk versus reward. Based on what we can touch and feel right now, odds seem to be that CVSU will revive itself and take a shot at putting their business plan into action. When that will happen and to what degree is another subject altogether.

True, there is an SEC investigation and management shakeup. However, there is also the Euroclear account and by all indications there are assets there that CVSU can access and leverage. In fact, the information regarding the establishment of a Euroclear account is more conclusive and verifiable than anything coming from the SEC investigation. That information points to a legitimacy in CVSU that somehow has gained it access to some pretty big assets.

So this might be a nice place for a prudent amount of your pennyland money based on your particular circumstances and if you believe the weight of the Euroclear DD is stronger than the probability that the SEC will literally drive this company into non-existence. That is your decision.

And by the way, CVSU is not the only entity being investigated. The Congressional interviews of the SEC folks related to the John Mack case ended with some pretty harsh criticism of the SEC's enforcement division and the promise from one Senator that "we are not through with this yet."

... In My humble Opinion

Nice post Humble! [Smile]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Humble posts:

"However, there is also the Euroclear account and by all indications there are assets there that CVSU can access and leverage."

"all indications"? Please explain. Seems the "Euroclear angle" always traces to the twice-ousted, former CEO. . .
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
66 the attorney may have been hired for Rufus and not for the SEC, because they are our friends. J/K


quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
humble you are dead on about the fact that investing is and always will be about risk versus reward. and that can be a very personal thing. last night's discussion proved how effective posting dd could be in helping people keep up with what is going on. let's see what happens because i read on hsm that the attorney wasn't hired to deal with the sec but with rufus. the sec has the upper hand and how they play it will prove the future of the stock. if it starts moving again on solid ground, i will be right it there with you making money with this stock. like catia and surfer said.. in a few days!!!

posting meaningless pumps won't help anybody right now imho. let's keep focused on the facts and not diversions.


 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
i think the lawyer may have been hired because rufus did not turn over the files and computers when they came for them. look on hsm and see what they come up with because they are discussing this right now. fireopal posted that about the lawyer. said she called the law firm.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
a surfer
someone PM'ed jmoe's post to Simon....

what were the results or opinions on this?????


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
jmoestinks: "Back in the FHAL/CVSU/ and early CSHD days Rufie said they were buying up all the float. No idea how much that was but it was probably alot. Now the date on the Euroclear for submitting those shares was Oct 9th about a week before that Oct 16th deadline for the 6:1 announcement. He said that the shares would be submitted early Nov. Now if the bonds were real and the company had to prove 200 million in assests to pull money from the bonds then they could use the shares as assests. If you look at the stock price in and around the 9th it was about $2-2.40 i think. If the amount of shares submitted to Euroclear was 100 million or so (which is where my scenario might not work because I don't know if they had that many) then they could prove the 200 million in assests and be free to pull from those bonds to subsidize all the JVs rufie was bragging about. Now the SEC comes in right before the share exchange for 6:1 and shuts it down. This tanks the stock on the greys, leaves rufie and the gang with no shares and no way to pull them from Euroclear because now they can't prove the 200 million. The SEC says prove it but they can't because they don't have the assests now. This saves all the naked shorts courtesy of the SEC and leaves rufie with nothing. He can't hypothecate because he doesn't have the assests to pull from the bonds which is what we all want to see. But since the share price plunged the assests aren't woth anything close to 200 million. The SEC can now say fraud, perfect timing from them. If the SEC doesn't step in Rufie has the 200 million, can prove ownership by drawing from them, price goes up, 6:1 gets fulfilled, shorts are definitely screwed. Don't know if I have a leg to stand on here with this info but some of you DD aholics might make something out of this. Just a shot in the dark."

this agrees with what i've though for a long time. rufus gambled that the stock price would rise rapidly and stay up long enooough for him to cash out around 200m. they didn't and the sec stepped in as you said with perfect timing. no money now can't follow through, game over imho.


a surfer
Member


Member Rated:
posted December 05, 2006 21:14
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
someone PM'ed jmoe's post to Simon....
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Wow, ya'll are considering buying MORE?????? Crazy, crazy. For all you newbies I'm considering selling and DON'T recommend buying this crap. Theres far better than this stock!!! Lie's upon lie's. Where's my free 6:1 shares??? Where's the $15 pps??? Where's my $1000 invested (price dropped like crazy without even giving us a chance to sellout but someone did)??? Where's the bonds to bring the pps back up???

LIES LIES LIES

Stay away as NO one knows whats going on behind the scenes!!!

Was supposed to be a month ago, then 2 wks later, then next Mon, then the next Mon, and now 2wks from now and then next Mon, then 2 months from now, oh wait, maybe next year, LOL, whatever...
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
good post imho moneyx3. lets shoot it straight for the newbies. i'll cosign your post big time.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
we're going ...going back-back to ...dollars, dollars
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
really, trade04? show me!
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Humble posts:

"However, there is also the Euroclear account and by all indications there are assets there that CVSU can access and leverage."

"all indications"? Please explain. Seems the "Euroclear angle" always traces to the twice-ousted, former CEO. . .

Well, the only thing I can say about this is maybe Rufus is the one with the codes, but Conversion Solutions is the name on the account, not Rufus Paul Harris. That means at least 200 mil of SOMETHING...better than a lot of pennys.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
LOL Jenna - we are now sharing brainwaves!

Theres not enough to go between ya! [Big Grin]
Low blow Cat! I can hold my own...didn't get a degree in C.S. and Statistics on my looks [Big Grin]
I concede [Big Grin]
It WAS funny though [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Does he sound a little pissed? yeah...just a little...BUT...
he has been in and he lost some of his profits...not his capital...he played it the best he could... [Wink]
He is 100% right...NO newbie should even think of entering this...
6 months from now IF by some miracle it is trading on a normal exchange? Think about it but NOT NOW!

quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
Wow, ya'll are considering buying MORE?????? Crazy, crazy. For all you newbies I'm considering selling and DON'T recommend buying this crap. Theres far better than this stock!!! Lie's upon lie's. Where's my free 6:1 shares??? Where's the $15 pps??? Where's my $1000 invested (price dropped like crazy without even giving us a chance to sellout but someone did)??? Where's the bonds to bring the pps back up???

LIES LIES LIES

Stay away as NO one knows whats going on behind the scenes!!!

Was supposed to be a month ago, then 2 wks later, then next Mon, then the next Mon, and now 2wks from now and then next Mon, then 2 months from now, oh wait, maybe next year, LOL, whatever...


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
a surfer
someone PM'ed jmoe's post to Simon....

what were the results or opinions on this?????


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
jmoestinks: "Back in the FHAL/CVSU/ and early CSHD days Rufie said they were buying up all the float. No idea how much that was but it was probably alot. Now the date on the Euroclear for submitting those shares was Oct 9th about a week before that Oct 16th deadline for the 6:1 announcement. He said that the shares would be submitted early Nov. Now if the bonds were real and the company had to prove 200 million in assests to pull money from the bonds then they could use the shares as assests. If you look at the stock price in and around the 9th it was about $2-2.40 i think. If the amount of shares submitted to Euroclear was 100 million or so (which is where my scenario might not work because I don't know if they had that many) then they could prove the 200 million in assests and be free to pull from those bonds to subsidize all the JVs rufie was bragging about. Now the SEC comes in right before the share exchange for 6:1 and shuts it down. This tanks the stock on the greys, leaves rufie and the gang with no shares and no way to pull them from Euroclear because now they can't prove the 200 million. The SEC says prove it but they can't because they don't have the assests now. This saves all the naked shorts courtesy of the SEC and leaves rufie with nothing. He can't hypothecate because he doesn't have the assests to pull from the bonds which is what we all want to see. But since the share price plunged the assests aren't woth anything close to 200 million. The SEC can now say fraud, perfect timing from them. If the SEC doesn't step in Rufie has the 200 million, can prove ownership by drawing from them, price goes up, 6:1 gets fulfilled, shorts are definitely screwed. Don't know if I have a leg to stand on here with this info but some of you DD aholics might make something out of this. Just a shot in the dark."

this agrees with what i've though for a long time. rufus gambled that the stock price would rise rapidly and stay up long enooough for him to cash out around 200m. they didn't and the sec stepped in as you said with perfect timing. no money now can't follow through, game over imho.


a surfer
Member


Member Rated:
posted December 05, 2006 21:14
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
someone PM'ed jmoe's post to Simon....

in this scenario, the "biz plan" is to acquire assets based on a future, higher pps...driven higher by claiming ownership of said assets...before owning them?

Am I reading that right?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex? the way that I understand it..."it" is very costly to "draw down" on the bonds..and you need to have the assets/$ before hand...YOU can't say...give me a million and keep 200k for the transaction fee...type thing.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Yep, just a lil 10! But thanks to you I learned alot about flipping on the IGAI stock in which we still flip at times [Wink] .

As far as the "theories", I LMAO while rolling on the floor...

DD all ya'll want but it won't help the pps grow a 1000%.

Enough is enough and IMO it won't recover. Good luck with this one all.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? the way that I understand it..."it" is very costly to "draw down" on the bonds..and you need to have the assets/$ before hand...YOU can't say...give me a million and keep 200k for the transaction fee...type thing.

but to have your plan dependent on a certain, higher pps? Would you buy XYZ based on such a PR?

"XYZ announces huge return for shareholders, as long as enough shareholders buy stock and hold, so we can leverage the higher share price."

Back to the case at hand...did any PRs/company info ever mention "costly to draw down" as a possible impediment? I thought everything was always, "we've got this, we've got that, no problem, it's a slam dunk."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
Yep, just a lil 10! But thanks to you I learned alot about flipping on the IGAI stock in which we still flip at times [Wink] .

As far as the "theories", I LMAO while rolling on the floor...

DD all ya'll want but it won't help the pps grow a 1000%.

Enough is enough and IMO it won't recover. Good luck with this one all.

You are absolutely right except I think we are holding out for one teeny tiny bit of hope...which is getting an MM.....(I said teeny tiny).....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I can't remember the mention of complications with the bonds.


Back to the case at hand...did any PRs/company info ever mention "costly to draw down" as a possible impediment? I thought everything was always, "we've got this, we've got that, no problem, it's a slam dunk."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Opens door- looks- any news? - Nope- Ok- check back tomarrow....

Nighty Night....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
good night.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Mayb JA can do some creative finacing to pay for drawing down on the bond.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wait a minute - maybe if I do this we will get good news tomarrow.......


May you have.....

*************************************************

Champagne Wishes

&

Cavair Dreams!!!!

*************************************************
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
no pumping or bs either st matthew. if i was your brother what you advise me to do with this stock? hold, buy more, or sell out?

You mean at this very moment? Too many variables to consider. A lot would depend on the entry point and your comfort level. It depends on whether you have protected your capital at this point. If you were riding free shares, I would tell you to let it ride...forget about the (free) shares and check back once a month. The upside still far out ways the alternative.

If you had not protected your capital, I would say....continue to monitor the boards and look for clues, positive signs, or red flags. I know you don't want to hear this, but you would have to go with your own DD, your gut, and your comfort level. The moment the upside crosses below the downside...get out.

Unfortunately, I did not get into this stock early enough to protect my capital. I am NOT riding free shares. Therefore, I'm doing whatever I can to figure this rollercoaster out. I'm making contacts on both boards...I'm asking questions, making phone calls, sending PM’s...doing whatever I can legally do to find out what is going on with our company.

I still believe in the business plan...if that's what you mean. There are a lot of very smart people on this board (and on HSM)....many smarter than me. I trust them. We work together to find the facts and the truth.

When and / or if this thing starts to look like a 3 legged muddy dog on a rainy day that is entered into the Westminster Kennel Club Dog Show…and I get to the point where I feel like saving my investment is more important than holding on to my belief…I will sell.

Right now…it just looks like a muddy dog on a rainy day. I just hope we don’t loose a leg. I believe with John Arlitt in charge…we will keep our legs and stand strong in a month or two.

Hope this helps…LOL.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Opens door- looks- any news? - Nope- Ok- check back tomarrow....

Nighty Night....

You crack me up...luv you...sleep tight!
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Humble posts:

"However, there is also the Euroclear account and by all indications there are assets there that CVSU can access and leverage."

"all indications"? Please explain. Seems the "Euroclear angle" always traces to the twice-ousted, former CEO. . .

Review the requirements to even become a listed participant in the Euroclear system and you'll find plenty to be excited about. Whether RPH or the current leaders of CVSU have access to those necessary assets, they are there and verified by membership into the bank, and available to someone. Euroclear is a globally recognized institution, not part of some scheme to serve RPH. The credibility of membership is valuable.

Regardless of your opinion of CVSU's progress to date, somehow they got into the system and that tells me that there is something to the proposed asset base, at minimum to the 200m minimum asset base requirement, and possibly much more. That's a long way from the worthless pump-and-dump scheme that some choose to advertise.

Many people in the lower markets tie credibility to third party, independent audits. Would Euroclear allow CVSU an account without confirmation of assets?

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Nice post Humble...thanks...goodnight all.

quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Humble posts:

"However, there is also the Euroclear account and by all indications there are assets there that CVSU can access and leverage."

"all indications"? Please explain. Seems the "Euroclear angle" always traces to the twice-ousted, former CEO. . .

Review the requirements to even become a listed participant in the Euroclear system and you'll find plenty to be excited about. Whether RPH or the current leaders of CVSU have access to those necessary assets, they are there and verified by membership into the bank, and available to someone. Euroclear is a globally recognized institution, not part of some scheme to serve RPH. The credibility of membership is valuable.

Regardless of your opinion of CVSU's progress to date, somehow they got into the system and that tells me that there is something to the proposed asset base, at minimum to the 200m minimum asset base requirement, and possibly much more. That's a long way from the worthless pump-and-dump scheme that some choose to advertise.

Many people in the lower markets tie credibility to third party, independent audits. Would Euroclear allow CVSU an account without confirmation of assets?

... In My humble Opinion


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Humble posts:

"However, there is also the Euroclear account and by all indications there are assets there that CVSU can access and leverage."

"all indications"? Please explain. Seems the "Euroclear angle" always traces to the twice-ousted, former CEO. . .

Review the requirements to even become a listed participant in the Euroclear system and you'll find plenty to be excited about. Whether RPH or the current leaders of CVSU have access to those necessary assets, they are there and verified by membership into the bank, and available to someone. Euroclear is a globally recognized institution, not part of some scheme to serve RPH. The credibility of membership is valuable.

Regardless of your opinion of CVSU's progress to date, somehow they got into the system and that tells me that there is something to the proposed asset base, at minimum to the 200m minimum asset base requirement, and possibly much more. That's a long way from the worthless pump-and-dump scheme that some choose to advertise.

Many people in the lower markets tie credibility to third party, independent audits. Would Euroclear allow CVSU an account without confirmation of assets?

... In My humble Opinion

Euroclear also gave their statement to the SEC.
Alana Black told me this firsthand.

What they told her was not privy to the public so she could not share.

Seeing the activity on the euroclear portal and the fact that the SEC has not taken receivership of CSHD after their statement leads me to believe one thing. The bonds are ours.

Had they not been this would be over. Period
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
roller coaster rox
but dont eat beforehand [Wink]
~BB

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I did take time out to ride the roller coaster on the roof. (Wish I hadn't. j/k They compted me the ticket. Anyone with a death wish should get their body weight up to about 240lbs. and ride that coaster. If you don't fall off the roof, you at least die of a good heart attack.)

TB


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Surf mailbox full.....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I had drank a few too many comp drinks before I went on that coaster. Can't say I had ever ridden a coaster drunk before. Doing it for the first time at about 40 stories in the air over Las Vegas at night did not help the ride.

I spent the rest of the trip and a good portion of the week after. Looking at the complementary picture of me screaming my buzzed head off in that little coaster with one of those, "Man that was just plain stupid." Thoughts in my head.

[Big Grin] Yeah it sorta rocked... HAHA!!

quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
roller coaster rox
but dont eat beforehand [Wink]
~BB

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I did take time out to ride the roller coaster on the roof. (Wish I hadn't. j/k They compted me the ticket. Anyone with a death wish should get their body weight up to about 240lbs. and ride that coaster. If you don't fall off the roof, you at least die of a good heart attack.)

TB



 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
"Unfortunately, I did not get into this stock early enough to protect my capital. I am NOT riding free shares.."

what is a free share? are you refering to profit, which is why most of us are here? if you squander your profit what is the sense of trading? rule one - if you have a chance to get profits, take them and move on. keep cashed out. minimize your risk. every share has a value. there is no such thing as a free share or a free lunch either.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Rule one...Protect your capital...Period...bottom line...end of story. As I said before...I did not get in early enough to do that...my bad...bad luck...whatever.

Rule two...don't invest more than 10% of your money in one company / stock. Several people have broken that rule as well...thanks to Rufus.

There is no rule about profits because they are not guaranteed...unless you are in a CD or savings account. Even then, you are fighting our old friend Mr. Inflation.

Are you saying that as soon as you have made a profit, you should sell? Craziness! You will not get very far with that play from that rulebook. There absolutely is a such a thing as "free shares"...many people who bought in early enough and / or have flipped this stock enough times hold them now. I believe Simon was one of them. The best known investors in the world live by this creed.

I can tell you one thing for sure. If I had known on October 23rd what I found out on October 25th...which is that you could have sold your shares on October 17th and still received the 6 x 1 free shares...I would have sold in a heartbeat to protect my capital. I would bet (also) that I would be sleeping a whole lot better right about now because I held free shares.

Another thing...a friend of mine bought my lunch today...I guess that would make it "free" to me.

Speaking of sleeping…I’m out…good night!

quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:


what is a free share? are you refering to profit, which is why most of us are here? if you squander your profit what is the sense of trading? rule one - if you have a chance to get profits, take them and move on. keep cashed out. minimize your risk. every share has a value. there is no such thing as a free share or a free lunch either.


 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
this has become a bad dream that you keep waking up from , but when u wake up ur still int he nightmare... !!!!! *#$%&$%^#^%$#^%&^#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
this has become a bad dream that you keep waking up from , but when u wake up ur still int he nightmare... !!!!! *#$%&$%^#^%$#^%&^#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Good morning board- Trade04 sounds like you picked the wrong month to quit sniffin glue?

 -
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
Good Morning
Wasn't it today we should see something on SEC litagation releases about RPH case? I checked and there is nothing there about him.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Boy can you predict the board mood by the PR releases of this company.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Boy can you predict the board mood by the PR releases of this company.

As in, there is no PR?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Boy can you predict the board mood by the PR releases of this company.

I am always in a good mood in the morning- not sure if its cause I slept well or I drank two diet cokes already [Smile]
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by St. Matthew:
[QB] Rule one...Protect your capital...Period...bottom line...end of story. As I said before...I did not get in early enough to do that...my bad...bad luck...whatever.

Rule two...don't invest more than 10% of your money in one company / stock. Several people have broken that rule as well...thanks to Rufus.

There is no rule about profits because they are not guaranteed...unless you are in a CD or savings account. Even then, you are fighting our old friend Mr. Inflation.

Are you saying that as soon as you have made a profit, you should sell? Craziness! You will not get very far with that play from that rulebook. There absolutely is a such a thing as "free shares"...many people who bought in early enough and / or have flipped this stock enough times hold them now. I believe Simon was one of them. The best known investors in the world live by this creed.

I can tell you one thing for sure. If I had known on October 23rd what I found out on October 25th...which is that you could have sold your shares on October 17th and still received the 6 x 1 free shares...I would have sold in a heartbeat to protect my capital. I would bet (also) that I would be sleeping a whole lot better right about now because I held free shares.

Another thing...a friend of mine bought my lunch today...I guess that would make it "free" to me.

Speaking of sleeping…I’m out…good night!

i guess we have to agree to disagree, don't we? my thinking got me to where i'm at and your thinking got you to where you're at. bottom line. and i wouldn't trade. btw i am also locked in at the 6 to 1 if it ever happens because i sold on 10/17 or so. i posted the details somewhere back in the thread. i don't really remember all of the details but i did make a profit on it and i am too lazy to look it up right now. ask me next month when i do my taxes. i slept pretty well last night, too.
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Just a comment that the ebb and flow of the CSHD boards consitently goes with the release of PR's. Good and happy on news...complaining and infighting on no news.

I understand it since no one likes uncertainty.

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Boy can you predict the board mood by the PR releases of this company.

As in, there is no PR?

 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Dang! IF I ran a billion dollar hedge/mutual fund I'd consider throwing $1,000.00 into CSHD now or buying 1,000 shares.

$1,000 wouldn't even show up as a loss on the radar if the stock tanked but if it went back to $1.00 or more (as most of us still believe) we'd be the heroes of wall street.

Now, how many hedge funds are out there? Thousands, 10's of thousands...times 1,000 shares? That's a lot of shares that could be bought as speculation.

Just a thought.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Humble gave us something to ponder.....

"Many people in the lower markets tie credibility to third party, independent audits. Would Euroclear allow CVSU an account without confirmation of assets?"

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya Babe I almost flew out of the Cyclone at Coney Island on my first roller coaster ride. I don't think I weighed more than about 50-60 lbs. That was scary.


quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
roller coaster rox
but dont eat beforehand [Wink]
~BB

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I did take time out to ride the roller coaster on the roof. (Wish I hadn't. j/k They compted me the ticket. Anyone with a death wish should get their body weight up to about 240lbs. and ride that coaster. If you don't fall off the roof, you at least die of a good heart attack.)

TB



 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Humble gave us something to ponder.....

"Many people in the lower markets tie credibility to third party, independent audits. Would Euroclear allow CVSU an account without confirmation of assets?"

[Big Grin]

ya, I noticed that...thanks for the reply, Humble. (I was asking about a post of his, in which he said something like "all indications" are that the bonds are as claimed...will look that over again, later.)

To help me get clear on this point (remember, I missed much of "the play"), are we saying here that Conversion Solutions is one of the members/participants of Euroclear. I remember reading their "About us" stuff, and it seems like they claim a couple of thousand clients in 80 or 100 countries...in other words, very elite trading institutions, banks, and so forth.

So, by that reasoning, CSHD (the company) is on par with, or is among the world's elite financial institutions, because it's a member, too?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Conversion Solutions has a Euroclear account- the institute has published requirements for obtaining an account.

The fact that CSHD HAS this account indicates that something was there. Banks requiring 200m worth of assets to get in the door probably have some sort of check to verify assets.

The ol adobe photoshop bond screen capture probably doesn't cut it.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Humble gave us something to ponder.....

"Many people in the lower markets tie credibility to third party, independent audits. Would Euroclear allow CVSU an account without confirmation of assets?"

[Big Grin]

ya, I noticed that...thanks for the reply, Humble. (I was asking about a post of his, in which he said something like "all indications" are that the bonds are as claimed...will look that over again, later.)

To help me get clear on this point (remember, I missed much of "the play"), are we saying here that Conversion Solutions is one of the members/participants of Euroclear. I remember reading their "About us" stuff, and it seems like they claim a couple of thousand clients in 80 or 100 countries...in other words, very elite trading institutions, banks, and so forth.

So, by that reasoning, CSHD (the company) is on par with, or is among the world's elite financial institutions, because it's a member, too?

I have never seen it this way, I see no proof CSHD is a "MEMBER" of euroclear, just that our "allegded" bonds are registered in the eurolcear system. and we are only a client by virtue of owning a stake in bonds registered with and trading through euroclear.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Humble gave us something to ponder.....

"Many people in the lower markets tie credibility to third party, independent audits. Would Euroclear allow CVSU an account without confirmation of assets?"

[Big Grin]

EXACTLY!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anybody know why volume is zero? No trades at all yet today? Is my Scottrade Website frozen?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
took an hour and a half yesterday...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Anybody know why volume is zero? No trades at all yet today? Is my Scottrade Website frozen?

Good morning, I just noticed the same thing on Yahoo, nothing sense close of yesterday.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
OOH, WOW- we are really "starving the beast" HaHa.....

The beast has won & went home... he's filling up on SLJB....
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
Yep MSN is the same way
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Crab- How come sometimes some stocks don't even show an open PPS well until after the opening bell? Sometimes like 2 hours after the opening bell? Why is that?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
I've always been under the impression it was just inactivity...

e.g., us right now, lol...no opening PPS...

Portman...anything relevant to share?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
nothing on microcap either.
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
I cant find any trading suspentions or halts on cshd
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Yeah Crab - I have another one that hasn't even had an open price yet- you may be right - it didn't ahve a lot of volume yesterday so maybe it just hasn't traded yet......thanks makes sense....
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
AT pinksheets.com it says cshd.pk security is not recognized
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
I think it may be the simple fact that people who are holding this stock are well informed and aren't going to make low bids. What the hell are we doing at this level anyway?!

I'm just hanging tight, waiting for some news, and I'm GLAD that trades aren't going through, we should never had been forced to go back trading IMO until things were cleared up.

But shorty has friends, THE SEC!

How many links now have been posted about the SEC being investigated now??? SEVERAL!

Step back and see the Big Picture ~

"STILL" think CSHD will her her day! [Smile]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Yeah Crab - I have another one that hasn't even had an open price yet- you may be right - it didn't ahve a lot of volume yesterday so maybe it just hasn't traded yet......thanks makes sense....

Seems to be the only thing that does make sense at this point. No news anywhere...Forbes, SEC, Yahoo, MSN checked so far so I have to believe that we are just waiting for the first maching trade to hit.

Will the PPS be up or down, is the question?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
theres a trade at .18 for real
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
bid .85 ask .90 j/k
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
6- that is cruel----Funny too but cruel..... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
It's at .18 now.

I bought more at .20 yesterday. I have not seen anything to really put me off this company or stock.

As it was mentioned earlier, Euroclear has some hefty requirements in order to be associated with them and the bonds do show there so something has to be "out there".

Yes, it is odd to see Rufus gone, then back, then gone. I would not be surprised to see him come back again.

If you beleive as I do that CSHD is the real deal call your broker, pay the $20-30 commision and put in a buy order for a few thousand shares cheap.

Common, you can do it!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Stockstar69, been there done that.
I can not fathom where Rufus is mentally or physically, when this company is supposed to be so close to fruition. Did he wake up next to a horsehead one morning and decide he needed to change his profession or what?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Sorry blondie, just got tempted to dream I guess.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
6- that is cruel----Funny too but cruel..... [Big Grin]


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
.20
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It's an odd feeling looking out the window and seeing the sun shining down so bright. And it's only 5 degrees.
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Just a comment that the ebb and flow of the CSHD boards consitently goes with the release of PR's. Good and happy on news...complaining and infighting on no news.

I understand it since no one likes uncertainty.

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Boy can you predict the board mood by the PR releases of this company.

As in, there is no PR?

So...do you know what kind of mood we will be in today? "Good an happy" I hope! [Wink] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
It's an odd feeling looking out the window and seeing the sun shining down so bright. And it's only 5 degrees.

5 degrees? Sucks to be you, lol...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
IITTT AAAIIIINNNNTTT SSSOOO BBBBAAADDD.


quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
It's an odd feeling looking out the window and seeing the sun shining down so bright. And it's only 5 degrees.

5 degrees? Sucks to be you, lol...

 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
opps sorry folks I wasnt suppose to put the pk on the symbol

darn newbees
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I have one trade on another pick that I want to go through, and if that would happen, I would certainly be a happy girl, even if CSHD is still sitting on its laurels...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Interesting lack of trading today... 600K traded in a day to... 4K in a couple of hours today? I think something maybe happening behind the scenes.

It is so hard to tell in these gray sheets, but the bid and ask transactions are not matching up.

I have been looking for the smallest bit of news with little luck. Anyone else have an idea?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I take the lack of response as a no... [Smile]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
uhh
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
And then BOOM somone gets 100K at 0.15 and all seems fine and dandy again.

That's 15 grand. I did the math all by myself. [Smile]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Why haven't the Market Makers re-applied to do our bidding? Our they just scared away due to the SEC case? I would think they could see the short term opportunity here with the flippers anyway and be here already or are they required to have a position in the stocks they represent?

Anybody know?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
And then BOOM somone gets 100K at 0.15 and all seems fine and dandy again.

That's 15 grand. I did the math all by myself. [Smile]

Who bought it...it wasn't me! [Big Grin]

Which one of us was it?
[Roll Eyes]
Tax, Sherri, BB? [Eek!]

Common, 'fess up.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Why haven't the Market Makers re-applied to do our bidding? Our they just scared away due to the SEC case? I would think they could see the short term opportunity here with the flippers anyway and be here already or are they required to have a position in the stocks they represent?

Anybody know?

We are hoping that is all in the works....patience grasshopper....we aren't going anywhere just yet [Wink]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya since we are trading we may as well have an MM involved as far as i'm concerned.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I just talked to the hicks guy at SEC. He's still whistling the same tune. Nothing new.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I'm not so sure he knows everything that is going on either....just a hunch. I suspect JA is going higher than him...
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I just talked to the hicks guy at SEC. He's still whistling the same tune. Nothing new.

the same tune, meaning???
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
when you're whistling dixie and some time goes by and you're still whistling dixie, it's the same tune.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I like your way of thinking about it SherriT, I hope you're right.

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I'm not so sure he knows everything that is going on either....just a hunch. I suspect JA is going higher than him...


 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Alright you Zombies... new pick by REPOMAN! Actually, stocktrader22 found it, but like Cramer, I'm throwing my mystique and celebrity status behind it... IEAM.

I'm going to do more DD this weekend, but HUGE insider buys, coming off 52 week low, and profitable.

Don't cry that I don't give out some cake for the proles.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Alright you Zombies... new pick by REPOMAN! Actually, stocktrader22 found it, but like Cramer, I'm throwing my mystique and celebrity status behind it... IEAM.

I'm going to do more DD this weekend, but HUGE insider buys, coming off 52 week low, and profitable.

Don't cry that I don't give out some cake for the proles.

lmao...at least you did give me some credit [Smile]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Alright you Zombies... new pick by REPOMAN! Actually, stocktrader22 found it, but like Cramer, I'm throwing my mystique and celebrity status behind it... IEAM.

I'm going to do more DD this weekend, but HUGE insider buys, coming off 52 week low, and profitable.

Don't cry that I don't give out some cake for the proles.

lmao...at least you did give me some credit [Smile]
Hey you know, like in Hollywood, does the writer of Mission Impossible 3 or does Tom Cruise get the hot chicks, fame, and fortune?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Humble gave us something to ponder.....

"Many people in the lower markets tie credibility to third party, independent audits. Would Euroclear allow CVSU an account without confirmation of assets?"

[Big Grin]

EXACTLY!
good point humble...
 
Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
Are you saying we might confuse you with Tom Cruise?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jo4321:
Are you saying we might confuse you with Tom Cruise?

Yes, very likely.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I like your way of thinking about it SherriT, I hope you're right.

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
I'm not so sure he knows everything that is going on either....just a hunch. I suspect JA is going higher than him...


I may not be right, but if I were the CEO of a company in this position, I certainly would not take the word of a worker bee prosecuting the case. Heck, even the Assistant District Administrator answered my letter via the congressman about their case, so I am quite sure I would be as high up their respective arses as I could get. For that matter, I don't even take the word of a CSR about a $100 payment on an account - I always talk to two or three and see if the answers are consistent....

Not only that, I would be sure that so many people knew I was working with them (at least on the inside) so that one person's word wouldn't come back to haunt me later....

Just me though.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707706000058/globalfundagree.htm

read page 12-13 part eight
RPH is Trust Manager

What does this mean? ANyone?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Jo4321:
Are you saying we might confuse you with Tom Cruise?

Yes, very likely.
So basically you think you are an alien that came from a volcano?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Jo4321:
Are you saying we might confuse you with Tom Cruise?

Yes, very likely.
So basically you think you are an alien that came from a volcano?
I'm God's gift to American women.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Repo that's the second time this week you have said that you are God....are you related to Rufus?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707706000058/globalfundagree.htm

read page 12-13 part eight
RPH is Trust Manager

What does this mean? ANyone?

bump myself
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya that's what it says. I don't know much about bonds, but it sounds like he's the boss on that one.
The confusing part is everything looks like he just wants to give it all up to the SEC. [Mad]

quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707706000058/globalfundagree.htm

read page 12-13 part eight
RPH is Trust Manager

What does this mean? ANyone?


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Portman, do you have any guesstimates on when we'll hear some news about something again. Like an MM, 6:1, court settlement anything. I heard we are still trying to hunt down Rufus and the company records anything about that?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707706000058/globalfundagree.htm

read page 12-13 part eight
RPH is Trust Manager

What does this mean? ANyone?

bump myself
It means Rufas is Trust Manager. Nothing more nothing less. the key is that the company names are in the "beneficiary" spot.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Portman, do you have any guesstimates on when we'll hear some news about something again. Like an MM, 6:1, court settlement anything. I heard we are still trying to hunt down Rufus and the company records anything about that?

OBJECTION! Leading the witness.

Your Honor the plaintif's use of the word "hunt" implies to the jury that my client is somehow in avoidance. My client has been nothing but forthcoming in these preceedings.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Thanks Tax
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Tax are you a lawyer?
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Pulled this off of h s m

From JesusPower1

Dear family and friends,

I know you haven't heard from me in a while and for that I apologize. It has been difficult for all of us. Most of you have been delightful and patient and for that I want to say a big THANK YOU. I just want to bring you up to speed and inform you of our current status so that you will be able to rest your mind regarding the situation at hand.

I signed an agreement that rendered me speechless for the most part. It was for my protection as well as yours. I have learned about many things in the past few weeks, some good, some not. I know that most of us signed up for the "guarantee" of getting $15/share from buying a stock that was in the $1 range. Then it seemed to grow to the possibility of $100/share. We never thought that we'd be fighting Naked short sellers and corporate corruption, but that was our fate and we took it like men! Also, we never thought that we'd be in a legal battle with the SEC, but that happened too!

It was a sad and unfortunate turn of events and after several key findings, a majority % of shareholders got together and decided that the best thing at that point in time was to remove the founder and CEO of the company and replace him and the Board of Directors with other men. I was one that agreed to and signed off on the transition. The people we now have in place are working diligently for the best interest of all shareholders. They too had a large stake in the company, which is why I felt that they would work to untangle the web that was spun.

They have been in contact with many key people and have softened their stance with the SEC in order to facilitate our progress forward and to clear ourselves from the current legal battle. We know that it's going to take a bit more time since new people have come in and have to personally review all documents and financials in order to release accurate statements and information.

There are several deals in the works behind the scenes that are in our favor, so please continue to be patient and know that once this is all over we'll be able to reap the reward.

I will say that I know I made several rookie mistakes and can only say that I have learned my lesson and will be better prepared next time.

1. I will not trust just anyone.
2. I will not believe every word as if it were straight from the mouth of God.
3. I will not believe in set timelines that only set people up for disappointment.

Just to name a few, in the spirit of transparency.

Now with that being said, I am going to say that the company said that January looks like a realistic timeframe for us to have settled several of these issues and begin to move forward. So I am urging you to take your mind off of this and prepare for a wonderful Christmas holiday season. Spend quality time with your family and friends...go on vacation or do what you do. I will continue to keep a check on the happenings of the company and if I hear anything groundshaking or newsworthy, I'll let you know.

Peace and Blessings
Justin
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Is JP1 on the Shareholder's committee?
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD somebody refresh my memory, have we DD`d this outfit? it seems curious they only started up in jan of this year, and it is also curious that thier registered agent resigned six days before this deal was PR`d! this is a two man show from what i see. where did they get 450 mil euro bonds? and why transfer them to us? for value? is what the agreement says. what does that mean?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Once this falls under $.10, can we move it to the other board? TIA.
 
Posted by lostone on :
 
aren't a lot of ppl gonna dump this before the next year? as a tax write off for loss?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Tax are you a lawyer?

No I watch "Boston Legal" [Big Grin] So I am close. HA!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Tax are you a lawyer?

No I watch "Boston Legal" [Big Grin] So I am close. HA!
I love that show! "Denny Crane" lol
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
OMG, Boston Legal! lol ~

great show!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
OMG, Boston Legal! lol ~

great show!

Brings back memories, eh?
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
---
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
The people we now have in place are working diligently for the best interest of all shareholders. --------- from JP`s post, WHO are the people we "have in place"? we have only one CONFIRMED officer ( our new CEO ) our CFO wont come on board without D and O insurance! so who ( how many people ) our running this circus?? we have deals in the works? BS!!! heard it before meant nothing then means nothing now! " janurary for us to have settled several of these issues" could you be more vague please!! WITCH issues? and what then, feb,march,april may???? before this is settled ( if ever )!! thanks for the update!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
The people we now have in place are working diligently for the best interest of all shareholders. --------- from JP`s post, WHO are the people we "have in place"? we have only one CONFIRMED officer ( our new CEO ) our CFO wont come on board without D and O insurance! so who ( how many people ) our running this circus?? we have deals in the works? BS!!! heard it before meant nothing then means nothing now! " janurary for us to have settled several of these issues" could you be more vague please!! WITCH issues? and what then, feb,march,april may???? before this is settled ( if ever )!! thanks for the update!

""I signed an agreement that rendered me speechless for the most part.""
-did you read that part...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Repo, you should be too busy making a lot of money to concern yourself with such small matters.

quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Once this falls under $.10, can we move it to the other board? TIA.


 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Repo, you should be too busy making a lot of money to concern yourself with such small matters.

quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Once this falls under $.10, can we move it to the other board? TIA.


Are you sure 6digits refers to your bank account and not the number of toes you have on 1 foot?

 -
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Sir, surely you must understand the gravity of this situation and that the client should be beaten with the business end of a buggy whip. [Wink]


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Portman, do you have any guesstimates on when we'll hear some news about something again. Like an MM, 6:1, court settlement anything. I heard we are still trying to hunt down Rufus and the company records anything about that?

OBJECTION! Leading the witness.

Your Honor the plaintif's use of the word "hunt" implies to the jury that my client is somehow in avoidance. My client has been nothing but forthcoming in these preceedings.


 
Posted by lostone on :
 
Repo, thought u said something like u'll be buying once this hits around .15 .. u buying yet?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
O yu velly funy.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Repo, you should be too busy making a lot of money to concern yourself with such small matters.

quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Once this falls under $.10, can we move it to the other board? TIA.


Are you sure 6digits refers to your bank account and not the number of toes you have on 1 foot?

 -


 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lostone:
Repo, thought u said something like u'll be buying once this hits around .15 .. u buying yet?

Yep. I have an order to buy 10 shares at .15 ... I want to order the stock certificate to use on my dart board's backstop.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Jesuspowers intentions seem noble, but I would like to get some official notification as to our status. Like a PR from the CEO and the rest of the team.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by lostone:
Repo, thought u said something like u'll be buying once this hits around .15 .. u buying yet?

Yep. I have an order to buy 10 shares at .15 ... I want to order the stock certificate to use on my dart board's backstop.
i like 'em for wallpaper..

you think Rufus has problems?

this one is Titanic Preferred...

 -
they make nice gifts too [Smile]


http://www.pomexport.com/1images/RTS/RTS2.html
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
The people we now have in place are working diligently for the best interest of all shareholders. --------- from JP`s post, WHO are the people we "have in place"? we have only one CONFIRMED officer ( our new CEO ) our CFO wont come on board without D and O insurance! so who ( how many people ) our running this circus?? we have deals in the works? BS!!! heard it before meant nothing then means nothing now! " janurary for us to have settled several of these issues" could you be more vague please!! WITCH issues? and what then, feb,march,april may???? before this is settled ( if ever )!! thanks for the update!

""I signed an agreement that rendered me speechless for the most part.""
-did you read that part...

I did read that part, non disclosure agreement? anything he says to Pump the stock can and will be used against him in a cout of law. the NDA is there to protect him. AND the company. I understand SHC members must tread lightly but unvarifiable hints and vagaries annoy me. "deals in the works" thats pink sheet speak for nothing is happening! how many times have we heard this statement on other boards! from other POS companies! - too many to count! and ALWAYS when the stock is in the toilet!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Chart...I believe he was on the SHC conference call a few weeks back that required a confidentiality agreement be signed electronically in order to participate.

quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
The people we now have in place are working diligently for the best interest of all shareholders. --------- from JP`s post, WHO are the people we "have in place"? we have only one CONFIRMED officer ( our new CEO ) our CFO wont come on board without D and O insurance! so who ( how many people ) our running this circus?? we have deals in the works? BS!!! heard it before meant nothing then means nothing now! " janurary for us to have settled several of these issues" could you be more vague please!! WITCH issues? and what then, feb,march,april may???? before this is settled ( if ever )!! thanks for the update!

""I signed an agreement that rendered me speechless for the most part.""
-did you read that part...


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Yep, he was St,Matt...

-and I think SOMEONE here needs to sell their shares cause the "Debbie Downer" talk is is annoying... -sorry, but it is.

Things ARE happening IMO, read the DD here, or sell your stock, -either way... "CHILL"

If you're angry cause you are sitting on a loss right now, do you think spreading your "panic" is helping your bottom line???

-think it through...

Peace ~
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
JP1- if you signed a "be quiet" agreement can you go ahead and start doing that now? Your vague posts and "Hang in there lil fella" posts are not providing anything of use.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Heh I think his post was deleted from HSM. If you signed something to not talk why would you post anyways?

Can't hold Jesus POWER down I guess [Razz]
(in my loudest Jerry Falwell voice)
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
He didn't post it. He emailed it to friends/family and someone who received it posted it... and I copy/pasted it over here. If it bothers you just ignore it... Sorry

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Heh I think his post was deleted from HSM. If you signed something to not talk why would you post anyways?

Can't hold Jesus POWER down I guess [Razz]
(in my loudest Jerry Falwell voice)


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Baptist Cowboy

A cowboy, who moved to Wyoming from Texas, walks into a bar and orders three mugs of Bud. He sits in the back of the room, drinking a sip out of each one in turn. When he finishes them, he comes back to the bar and orders three more.

The bartender approaches and tells the cowboy, "You know, a mug goes flat after I draw it. It would taste better if you bought one at a time."

The cowboy replies, "Well, you see, I have two brothers. One is in Arizona, the other is in Colorado. When we all left our home in Texas, we promised that we'd drink this way to remember the days when we drank together. So I'm drinking one beer for each of my brothers and one for myself."

The bartender admits that this is a nice custom, and leaves it there.

The cowboy becomes a regular in the bar, and always drinks the same way. He orders three mugs and drinks them in turn.

One day, he comes in and only orders two mugs. All the regulars take notice and fall silent. When he comes back to the bar for the second round, the bartender says, "I don't want to intrude on your grief, but I wanted to offer my condolences on your loss."

The cowboy looks quite puzzled for a moment, then a light dawns in his eyes and he laughs.

"Oh, no, everybody's just fine," he explains, "It's just that my wife and I joined the Baptist Church and I had to quit drinking."

"Hasn't affected my brothers though."
[Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Alana Black said that it is'nt the SEC's interest to close Conversion, but to prove that the bond does'nt belong to them. It is up to Conversion solutions whether they can and want to continue business as usual. Of course the SEC is'nt helping either.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Thanks 6 that's very cool.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Has there ever been another company (besides the old CMKM days, maybe) that has had more board space wasted on it than CSHD?
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Has there ever been another company (besides the old CMKM days, maybe) that has had more board space wasted on it than CSHD?

Your posts waste space on this thread. [Razz]
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
yeah QBID.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya the part that the Kevin Bailey takes up! [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Has there ever been another company (besides the old CMKM days, maybe) that has had more board space wasted on it than CSHD?


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Babe the whole room lights up when you come in.

quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
yeah QBID.


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
He didn't post it. He emailed it to friends/family and someone who received it posted it... and I copy/pasted it over here. If it bothers you just ignore it... Sorry

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Heh I think his post was deleted from HSM. If you signed something to not talk why would you post anyways?

Can't hold Jesus POWER down I guess [Razz]
(in my loudest Jerry Falwell voice)


If he signed a gag order he should not be posting his 2 cents on the company. I don't care if someone took a PM and posted it.

If he had to sign gag order he cannot post and influence anyone regarding the stock (to INCLUDE family members). Telling them of chaos and problems that have not been publicly released is bad. Saying it should be cleared up in January is not good either- we can speculate all day on this board about when things will get cleared up but once you become an insider you cannot post or speak of the inside operations of the company.
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
*bling bling* hi diggy [Smile]

just checking in. i figure we wont see anything here til after the new year.

dec isnt my tradin month anywayz. not enough money to be made overall.

*bling bling* bye diggy [Smile]

~BB
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Babe the whole room lights up when you come in.

quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
yeah QBID.


oh jeese
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by betting babe:
yeah QBID.

SMMW is a close third.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
lets see, we have congressmen, senators, and a prince from dubai! we have NSS and the SEC conspiracy, we have mysteriously silent bond issuers and the bilderburg group and possibly the trilateral commission involved, we have a multi-billion dollar company headed by ONE person (varified) a former CEO being hounded by the SEC and being sued by BBAN for fraud. who recently told share holders we would get our money back from the law suit (notice his choice of words- not "a" but "the" lawsuit) ( maybe he knows something we dont!) we have a shareholders committee witch may or may not be leagle (posting what may be insider info-like we dont have enough problems!) with dozens of wild theories and exageration of facts twisting every negative into a hopeful possitive! and the company could be days or hours from being delisted! with NO word from the company! YES i am angree and NO I will not sell! but "IF" this is a scam i WILL sue EVERYONE even remotely connected to the company.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
lets see, we have congressmen, senators, and a prince from dubai! we have NSS and the SEC conspiracy, we have mysteriously silent bond issuers and the bilderburg group and possibly the trilateral commission involved, we have a multi-billion dollar company headed by ONE person (varified) a former CEO being hounded by the SEC and being sued by BBAN for fraud. who recently told share holders we would get our money back from the law suit (notice his choice of words- not "a" but "the" lawsuit) ( maybe he knows something we dont!) we have a shareholders committee witch may or may not be leagle (posting what may be insider info-like we dont have enough problems!) with dozens of wild theories and exageration of facts twisting every negative into a hopeful possitive! and the company could be days or hours from being delisted! with NO word from the company! YES i am angree and NO I will not sell! but "IF" this is a scam i WILL sue EVERYONE even remotely connected to the company.

Promise me you will take spelling lessons before attempting that... [Wink]
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
lets see, we have congressmen, senators, and a prince from dubai! we have NSS and the SEC conspiracy, we have mysteriously silent bond issuers and the bilderburg group and possibly the trilateral commission involved, we have a multi-billion dollar company headed by ONE person (varified) a former CEO being hounded by the SEC and being sued by BBAN for fraud. who recently told share holders we would get our money back from the law suit (notice his choice of words- not "a" but "the" lawsuit) ( maybe he knows something we dont!) we have a shareholders committee witch may or may not be leagle (posting what may be insider info-like we dont have enough problems!) with dozens of wild theories and exageration of facts twisting every negative into a hopeful possitive! and the company could be days or hours from being delisted! with NO word from the company! YES i am angree and NO I will not sell! but "IF" this is a scam i WILL sue EVERYONE even remotely connected to the company.

Promise me you will take spelling lessons before attempting that... [Wink]
will do!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
SHC chairman please pass this on to the CEO.


I might be off with this, but the more I have read about the assets that Conversion is supposed to have and the ability to be on the grey market seemingly through mgmnts choice the more I have to ask myself why don't we use a bond thats not in question and begin some forward motion with this. I find it hard to beleive that there's no where to go with all of the assets.
I don't know what JA has to fix other than the bond fraud issue, the rest is Rufus's hypopotamus's. The SEC has'nt told them they can't run a business, just not commit fraud so do some ligitimate stuff already.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Babe check your PM box occasionally, not now, but soon.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Has there ever been another company (besides the old CMKM days, maybe) that has had more board space wasted on it than CSHD?

Your posts waste space on this thread. [Razz]
Seriously, this stock is dead, yet people in a forum called "HOT Stocks" keep talking about it. Just seems like more than a BIT of a waste of time, since it no longer resembles anything CLOSE to a "hot" stock.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Has there ever been another company (besides the old CMKM days, maybe) that has had more board space wasted on it than CSHD?

Your posts waste space on this thread. [Razz]
Seriously, this stock is dead, yet people in a forum called "HOT Stocks" keep talking about it. Just seems like more than a BIT of a waste of time, since it no longer resembles anything CLOSE to a "hot" stock.
welcome to America KB... it's called free speech...quit whining...

people will follow your picks if they go up...
 
Posted by jmoestinks on :
 
Kevin, Just because the thread you started has no onlookers doesn't mean you can raid this party. You try and try to make valid points but since everyone here is smarter than you and doesn't listen you resort to bashing. Your days are numbered, your advice worth as much as some nightcrawlers at the local bait shop. Go back to your dungeon and shake that 8 ball up some more. Otherwise go to the bar, pay some girl to listen to you, and move on. Damn i hate idiots!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmoestinks:
Kevin, Just because the thread you started has no onlookers doesn't mean you can raid this party. You try and try to make valid points but since everyone here is smarter than you and doesn't listen you resort to bashing. Your days are numbered, your advice worth as much as some nightcrawlers at the local bait shop. Go back to your dungeon and shake that 8 ball up some more. Otherwise go to the bar, pay some girl to listen to you, and move on. Damn i hate idiots!

I love how popping into this thread and pointing out the obvious (that the STOCK is dead, so discussing it is a waste of time) leads to these kind of vicious personal attacks. Is this acceptable?

As for stock-picking, Glass, here's my record thus far:

ADST
ANDS

The first two picks I brought, both are up significantly. ATS is basically flat on low volume, and I admitted that it's too low of a volume stock for a short-term play, and it was a mistake. TSCM hasn't had time to come to fruition yet (I made the call 2 days ago).

Basically its 2-0-1, with a fourth not yet fully played out. If you want to count the ATS (which I got out of at basically break-even) as a Loss, then the record would be 2-1-0, with TSCM yet to play out. Either way, it's not a bad record at all, and you of all people should know I do my technical DD before posting a pick, since we've communicated in PM.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Kevin? jmoe is very close to the line of rudeness, over, but not far over, he's not being "vicious" IMO...

i even posted a picture of Titanic stock in the thread ealrier because some humour is needed in a stock like this...
ask repo about how much is acceptable and how much isn't..he's the local expert...

i don't read every post in CSHD any more, but i just can't imagine anybody thinking it's being "pumped" from what i read...
maybe i'm just jaded..

you know? i've always ASSUMED that if a stock is under 5$ it's likely to lose 50% any day... so i come in with a large amount of skepticism and assume other people do too..

it's all relative...

fact is? people are gonna discuss it if they want? and all you do by biotching about it is annoy people... anybody that pulls a quote and see's NO bid and NO ask? will figure out something ain't quite right...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmoestinks:
Kevin, Just because the thread you started has no onlookers doesn't mean you can raid this party. You try and try to make valid points but since everyone here is smarter than you and doesn't listen you resort to bashing. Your days are numbered, your advice worth as much as some nightcrawlers at the local bait shop. Go back to your dungeon and shake that 8 ball up some more. Otherwise go to the bar, pay some girl to listen to you, and move on. Damn i hate idiots!

BTW, I present this post here as Exhibit A for those who claim that it's ME who attacks people personally. I made a post about the STOCK, and this guy attacks me as a PERSON. You all will pardon me for responding briefly in kind. (Notice, he threw the first punch.)

Mr. Stinks-

While there are people on this board who are smarter than me, the number is most likely not great (I have a VERY high IQ) and it most definitely does not include you. Reading your last post very much reminded me of a visit to the zoo, when I was very young. There was a monkey, who had plexiglass all around the bars of his cage for some reason. I asked why this was the case. My parents were unsure. Moments later, we found out. Apparently, the monkey would get "jealous" of any attention paid to the other monkeys, and would become angry, and begin throwing whatever he could get his hands on at the onlookers. This often included...umm...excrement. Therefore, they enclosed his cage in plexiglass, fortunately for us. In the case of your inane personal attacks, after I attacked this stock (and this worthless thread), perhaps there should be a wall of proverbial plexiglass surrounding YOU, to keep you from slinging around your verbal dung piles at those of us who dare to make a post you disagree with.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
While there are people on this board who are smarter than me, the number is most likely not great (I have a VERY high IQ)

yep, we remeber, you told us that yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before.....
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Kevin? jmoe is very close to the line of rudeness, over, but not far over, he's not being "vicious" IMO...

i even posted a picture of Titanic stock in the thread ealrier because some humour is needed in a stock like this...
ask repo about how much is acceptable and how much isn't..he's the local expert...

i don't read every post in CSHD any more, but i just can't imagine anybody thinking it's being "pumped" from what i read...
maybe i'm just jaded..

you know? i've always ASSUMED that if a stock is under 5$ it's likely to lose 50% any day... so i come in with a large amount of skepticism and assume other people do too..

it's all relative...

fact is? people are gonna discuss it if they want? and all you do by biotching about it is annoy people... anybody that pulls a quote and see's NO bid and NO ask? will figure out something ain't quite right...

Glass-

If he didn't cross the line, no one does. It was nothing BUT a personal attack. It's Exhibit A in how a person can attack a STOCK and then have someone attack them PERSONALLY because they're "annoyed." If that's acceptable, fine. That's why I posted my "monkey analogy." If it's good for the goose, it's good for the gander.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
While there are people on this board who are smarter than me, the number is most likely not great (I have a VERY high IQ)

yep, we remeber, you told us that yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before.....

Right. Whatever.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
BTW, what IS your problem, Glass? Did I make your life difficult by attacking everyone's pet stock--and the current biggest waste of board space--thereby drawing out the jackasses like Mr. Stinks?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Kevin there are some patterns of human behaviour that just get repeated over and over and over etc...

you happen to be participating in predictable behaviour... have some grace...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Than why can't you figure out that we don't need your posts about what we should'nt talk about?


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
While there are people on this board who are smarter than me, the number is most likely not great (I have a VERY high IQ)

yep, we remeber, you told us that yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before.....

Right. Whatever.

 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I honestly felt like this stock was a waste of space (I'd like to see some policy moving discussion of stocks which have clearly LEFT the arena of potentially being a "hot" stock removed from the "hot stocks" forum), and I expressed that feeling. Again, it was about a STOCK, not a person. Then, one of the supporters of said stock feels the need to go on a paragraph-long rampage against me, deriding everything from my intelligence to his perception of my sexual prowess. And the moderator-on-duty remarks, "jmoe is very close to the line of rudeness, over, but not far over, he's not being "vicious" IMO..."

And then, when I point out that I'm not, in fact, stupid, the same moderator-on-duty comments, "yep, we remeber, you told us that yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before....." which isn't even true.

Well, thanks for that.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Hey Kevin...

Maybe you are asking yourself the wrong questions... Maybe ask yourself why a guy like Chartwalker can bag penny bottoms but is holding a position here in CSHD...

There is a bibical saying: "Only a fool knows everything, a wise man knows he's much to learn."

Get Frosty,... -chill...

I mean after all I don't heckle your picks, and yes I could have... ADST, Nov. 26th is when my method of picking would have bought me in, 8 days later the stock had made it's biggest move that it's made so far, -do you know why that is, or how I "knew" it would?

There are stronger picks that could be made IMO, percentage wise, why chance for a 10-25% when you can play 50-100, even 500%'ers??? Same stock, but there are places where "bigger" breakouts happen darn near ALL the time... You should be looking at how to sight in your "scope" on your knowledge gun, not bashing people IMO...

-I live and let live, you can make friends that way ~

I would have kept my mouth shut but you keep coming in here and bad mouthing my friends, -why?

Please let it go...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Than why can't you figure out that we don't need your posts about what we should'nt talk about?


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
While there are people on this board who are smarter than me, the number is most likely not great (I have a VERY high IQ)

yep, we remeber, you told us that yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before.....

Right. Whatever.

6-

That was the point of my original post! This stock is wasting EVERYONE'S time, and is a waste of board space. It should be moved to a board that doesn't include the words "hot stocks" in its title.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
[later Board]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
This is allstocks. You have to go to hotstocks. people on allstocks are'nt at hot stocks, we're at allstocks. You need to tell hotstocks about your problem.
 
Posted by jmoestinks on :
 
Kevin, SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Your rambling makes no sense. I don't attack anyone personally, except you and Jmoe. Why, because while in my perverbial plexiglass cage, my mind is too small to concentrate on anything greater than two of the many looking at me. Since this monkey has 99% of the DNA that you have (the missing 1% is the IDIOT gene) it chose to call out the two bashers who try to criticize ALL the people in this stock. Hey, at least I only poke fun at the two people that have no interest in the stock but get kicks out of making fun at those who do. Whats that? 3-0 me. AHHH I love being a winner. Peace out schmuck.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Hey Kevin...

Maybe you are asking yourself the wrong questions... Maybe ask yourself why a guy like Chartwalker can bag penny bottoms but is holding a position here in CSHD...

There is a bibical saying: "Only a fool knows everything, a wise man knows he's much to learn."

Get Frosty,... -chill...

I mean after all I don't heckle your picks, and yes I could have... ADST, Nov. 26th is when my method of picking would have bought me in, 8 days later the stock had made it's biggest move that it's made so far, -do you know why that is, or how I "knew" it would?

There are stronger picks that could be made IMO, percentage wise, why chance for a 10-25% when you can play 50-100, even 500%'ers??? Same stock, but there are places where "bigger" breakouts happen darn near ALL the time... You should be looking at how to sight in your "scope" on your knowledge gun, not bashing people IMO...

-I live and let live, you can make friends that way ~

I would have kept my mouth shut but you keep coming in here and bad mouthing my friends, -why?

Please let it go...

Read the initial post. I did not "bad mouth" your friends, I "bad mouthed" the STOCK. That's what's so ludicrous about CSHD. People take criticism of it PERSONALLY.

As for ADST, I called it in the 1.40's. I'm comfortable with my methods, but I'm always refining them. This company (CSHD) is not real. It was--and remains--a sham company, which puts it in league with most of the other OTC stocks. Is there money to be made in gaming such stocks? Sure. I just prefer a higher level of certainty, which exchange-traded stocks provide. I'll take consistent 5-15% gains, with the occasional 1-2% loss any day, over the wild swings of the OTC pennies and sub-pennies.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Oh OK, too trivial an issue. I supppose it could be brought down a few degrees considering the simmer mode it has been at. But maybe someone will turn up the burner and make it hotter. That will save us the trouble of having to put the pot back on the high heat.


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Than why can't you figure out that we don't need your posts about what we should'nt talk about?


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
While there are people on this board who are smarter than me, the number is most likely not great (I have a VERY high IQ)

yep, we remeber, you told us that yesterday, and the day before that, and the day before that, and the day before.....

Right. Whatever.

6-

That was the point of my original post! This stock is wasting EVERYONE'S time, and is a waste of board space. It should be moved to a board that doesn't include the words "hot stocks" in its title.


 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
This is allstocks. You have to go to hotstocks. people on allstocks are'nt at hot stocks, we're at allstocks. You need to tell hotstocks about your problem.

Check the name of this FORUM, 6...

BTW, I hope all of you are proud of the outstanding representation that JMoe provides you all...
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
just in case anyone is interested:

HSM Poster 'tut' Is John L. ARLITT

GUARANTEED

Lee, and I hope you are reading this, please have no doubt that 'tut' is Arlitt.

[etc]
--------------------------

LINK TO LEE WEBB's 12/7/06 ARTICLE

Which is followed by reader comments.

Look who responded stupidly and just as stupidly confirmed he is Arlitt. The word 'TUT' is a live link (in the original) which shows 'TUT's email address to be, you guessed it.

arlitt*cvsu.us
 
Posted by jmoestinks on :
 
Kevin SHHHHHH, I represent only one person in this life. Thats ME! Don't cry to them, glass, 6 and chart are stock people not bodyguards. If they want me to shut up I will because I respect all the knowledge I have learned from them. But you, your taking years off your life getting your panties in a knot. Go back to your thread and express your opinions on the stocks your in. AHH 4-0.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmoestinks:
Your rambling makes no sense. I don't attack anyone personally, except you and Jmoe. Why, because while in my perverbial plexiglass cage, my mind is too small to concentrate on anything greater than two of the many looking at me. Since this monkey has 99% of the DNA that you have (the missing 1% is the IDIOT gene) it chose to call out the two bashers who try to criticize ALL the people in this stock. Hey, at least I only poke fun at the two people that have no interest in the stock but get kicks out of making fun at those who do. Whats that? 3-0 me. AHHH I love being a winner. Peace out schmuck.

Your post made absolutely no sense, but I guess if claiming some kind of "victory" makes you feel better about waking up in the morning and still being you, have fun with that.
 
Posted by jmoestinks on :
 
HEHE Kevin, seriously your a grown man and a self proclaimed intelligent one. It shouldn't be this easy. Later board, off to see my girlfriend. Kevy you should get one of those, they are alot of fun!
 
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Wow... I just checked in and I come to this?
I hardly read the boards anymore because I can't keep up with the BS...
I am a CSHD Long... and I love the DD this board has done... can't understand the bashers (I mean they must really love us for showing us the truth about things, LOL, either that or they have absolutely nothing better to do in life (I feel completly sorry for such a pathetic lifestlye... maybe they are just trying to find community in a mesage board but suck at it becasues they only say mean things) either that or they are working for shorty or something like that... oh well... I guess I'll check back in a week or so
Ima
Just waiting around for something big to happen
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Chart-

On the subject of stock-picking, my one real weakness has been getting in a bit TOO early, and thus having to watch the stock retreat a bit before its run. I guess I'd rather be in a bit early, than too late though. As I said, I'm always learning, and that's definitely a part of my system I'm still working on.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmoestinks:
HEHE Kevin, seriously your a grown man and a self proclaimed intelligent one. It shouldn't be this easy. Later board, off to see my girlfriend. Kevy you should get one of those, they are alot of fun!

I've heard it said that being ignorant is far easier than being intelligent. JMS is case study #1 in the ease of ignorance.

As for girlfriends, I'm doing fine in that department.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
"just got off the phone with the treasurer of Holly Springs Baptist Church
Franklin, North Carolina. They have never owned , sold or held any stock in any company. Real nice man, seems to be a good church."

this is odd from hsm. weren't they on the original NOBO list posted on the cvsu.us website?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
KB? grace? pride? IMO? if you really had pride? you wouldn't even post in this thread...
i personally don't care... pride isn't nessecarily a healthy thing.. mostly? i see people getting in trouble over it...


let me see if understand you?

?you are asking for this whole thread to be pulled and the discussion to be banned?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Would faulty information on the NOBO list from this company really be all that surprising?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
KB? grace? pride? IMO? if you really had pride? you wouldn't even post in this thread...
i personally don't care... pride isn't nessecarily a healthy thing.. mostly? i see people getting in trouble over it...


let me see if understand you?

?you are asking for this whole thread to be pulled and the discussion to be banned?

I'm not asking that the discussion be banned. I'm asking that all discussions of this clearly NOT hot stock be moved to a more appropriate forum in Allstocks.

As for posting in this thread, I hadn't posted in here much at all until today. I decided to put my opinion on what a waste of space in the Hot Stocks forum this stock is. I was attacked personally for that opinion.

As for pride, I have plenty. There are three things that humble me:

God, Women, and the markets.

I believe in my system, and it's usually right. Do I miss sometimes? Definitely. But am I also supremely self-confident? Certainly.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
KB... FREE 4 ALL means any and all...

get over it...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I talked to Hicks and Black from the new hit series SEC today and they have no idea when a next court date is set for any reason.
That leads me to beleive that our new CEO has plenty of time to put us back on the bid and ask and too generate some reality of a jv or something operating. IMO. Sounds good.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
KB... FREE 4 ALL means any and all...

get over it...

Are we then ignoring the "Hot Stocks" portion of it? It's supposed to be a HOT STOCKS "free for all" which doesn't imply that COLD STOCKS or DEAD STOCKS should have any place in that forum. Should we then be able to post OTC stocks in the Exchange-traded forums? What about sub-pennies in the "stocks above .11" forums? All I'm saying is that the "HOT STOCKS Free For All" forum should be reserved for either stocks which are currently hot, or at least are showing some POTENTIAL for being hot at some point in the future. This one has neither characteristic.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
KB? do you consider your picks posted here to be "hot"?

i hate to get critical but.....

also? i reminded you by PM before (and many other "negative" posters) that by getting into other threads and insulting people? you are just inviting people to jump itno your threads and insult you... then things get outahand and well, you know th edrill. you're smart.. so you know darn well why i'm asking...
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
KB... FREE 4 ALL means any and all...

get over it...

Are we then ignoring the "Hot Stocks" portion of it? It's supposed to be a HOT STOCKS "free for all" which doesn't imply that COLD STOCKS or DEAD STOCKS should have any place in that forum. Should we then be able to post OTC stocks in the Exchange-traded forums? What about sub-pennies in the "stocks above .11" forums? All I'm saying is that the "HOT STOCKS Free For All" forum should be reserved for either stocks which are currently hot, or at least are showing some POTENTIAL for being hot at some point in the future. This one has neither characteristic.
Kevin, maybe you should just refine your perspective of what a hot stock is? IMO, it is one that is being talked about, and like it or not, this one fits that description. If you care to join in, I will say you are welcome to do so, and if you don't have anything to add to the discussion, I think many of us would appreciate it if you would kindly stick to threads you are interested in...

This isn't the only game in town for most of us, but it is one that we are still concerned enough about to have this thread.

IMHO. Good luck to you...

(Edit: you will also find MANY other threads that are way beyond cold...)
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
oops the holly springs church on the nobo list was in texas not north carolina. sorry about that!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
KB? do consider your picks posted her to be "hot"?

i hate to get critical but.....

Are you joking? I am 2-0-1 (or 2-1-0, depending upon how you gauge it) in the picks I've posted, and I've supported my reasoning on my TSCM pick, clearly demonstrating why it has tremendous upside potential. ATS is my only real misstep, and it was very minor, and I candidly admitted it, and outlined the lessons I learned from it, which is more than I can say for some who post picks that don't pan out.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
KB... FREE 4 ALL means any and all...

get over it...

Are we then ignoring the "Hot Stocks" portion of it? It's supposed to be a HOT STOCKS "free for all" which doesn't imply that COLD STOCKS or DEAD STOCKS should have any place in that forum. Should we then be able to post OTC stocks in the Exchange-traded forums? What about sub-pennies in the "stocks above .11" forums? All I'm saying is that the "HOT STOCKS Free For All" forum should be reserved for either stocks which are currently hot, or at least are showing some POTENTIAL for being hot at some point in the future. This one has neither characteristic.
Kevin, maybe you should just refine your perspective of what a hot stock is? IMO, it is one that is being talked about, and like it or not, this one fits that description. If you care to join in, I will say you are welcome to do so, and if you don't have anything to add to the discussion, I think many of us would appreciate it if you would kindly stick to threads you are interested in...

This isn't the only game in town for most of us, but it is one that we are still concerned enough about to have this thread.

IMHO. Good luck to you...

(Edit: you will also find MANY other threads that are way beyond cold...)

This is the best explanation yet of how CSHD could qualify as "hot." Unfortunately, I think most would assume that a "hot" stock would be one that is either running, or demonstrating signs that it has the POTENTIAL to run. CSHD has neither. But at least this explanation of how CSHD qualifies to be in this forum.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
this is a hot stock because of the interest this stock has. imho this has been the most interesting and complex play of the year. no one wants to walk out until the play is over, and its not over yet. glassman, haven't heard from you for a while!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
here's how i see it KB.. you've just posted a page or two of CRAP here... which menas anybody that did come here to read up? has to wade thru our (mine and yours)stupid BS to find anything actually about the stock...
that's rudeness on your part...

secondly? this stock went from a nickel to 4$ this year and back down to 10 or 15 cents.. that's what i call

HOT

you're picks? don't even come close yet... like i said? i don't want to be critical.. i'm just trying politely to reason with you
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
KB... FREE 4 ALL means any and all...

get over it...

Are we then ignoring the "Hot Stocks" portion of it? It's supposed to be a HOT STOCKS "free for all" which doesn't imply that COLD STOCKS or DEAD STOCKS should have any place in that forum. Should we then be able to post OTC stocks in the Exchange-traded forums? What about sub-pennies in the "stocks above .11" forums? All I'm saying is that the "HOT STOCKS Free For All" forum should be reserved for either stocks which are currently hot, or at least are showing some POTENTIAL for being hot at some point in the future. This one has neither characteristic.
I've sat back and watched your posts over and over again. I did LOL when you stated that you hadn't posted much here until today. I guess it was an imposter that was filling the previous pages.

If you believe that this is a subject that not only should not be discussed but removed from It's present location and that it is a waste of space, Why are you posting here? Posting how much smarter you are than people that own the stock may soothe your ego but ends up getting on people's nerves.

I've been around this board for many months and don't remember you warning us about this stock when we were all attempting to DD it. In fact I only remember you showing up late in the game with I told you so's.

I don't know you so will not comment on you personally because that would truly be a waste of space. I will say if you believe this thread is a waste of space you have three options. (1) Stop posting and forget it is here. (2) Continue posting and wasting space or (3) Start your own forum(message board) and then you can make the rules.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
66-

I'm not sure how this play would qualify as "complex." It WAS a penny. It was pumped and ran on the rumor of bonds. It was dumped all the way up, plummeted, had trading halted, and is now trading with no MMs, no B/A, and no prospects. That's not "complex" so much as it's "depressing."
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
it had its moments! this one could almost be made into a movie or at least a seminar for traders on red flags to avoid in the future. a lot of different things came into play here and as been proven in the past, anything can and will still happen. no one really knows how it will end up.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
here's how i see it KB.. you've just posted a page or two of CRAP here... which menas anybody that did come here to read up? has to wade thru our (mine and yours)stupid BS to find anything actually about the stock...
that's rudeness on your part...

secondly? this stock went from a nickel to 4$ this year and back down to 10 or 15 cents.. that's what i call

HOT

you're picks? don't even come close yet... like i said? i don't want to be critical.. i'm just trying politely to reason with you

If your definition of "hot" includes pieces of $hit that are pumped and dumped for huge profits by insiders and a lucky few speculators, then yes, CSHD is "hot." If your definition is making steady gains over the course of time, then my picks are definitely "hotter" than CSHD. There's always a pump-and-dump scammer stock out there to talk about. CSHD isn't even that anymore. It's just dead.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
66-

I'm not sure how this play would qualify as "complex." It WAS a penny. It was pumped and ran on the rumor of bonds. It was dumped all the way up, plummeted, had trading halted, and is now trading with no MMs, no B/A, and no prospects. That's not "complex" so much as it's "depressing."

LOL... KB you are making huge asumptions in there...

we are still tracking WHO dumped...

so far? we haven't found the culprit(s)...

like i said? there is alot of interest in this stock..
so how about at least being (just a little bit ?) funny if you are gonna be negative all the time...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
here's how i see it KB.. you've just posted a page or two of CRAP here... which menas anybody that did come here to read up? has to wade thru our (mine and yours)stupid BS to find anything actually about the stock...
that's rudeness on your part...

secondly? this stock went from a nickel to 4$ this year and back down to 10 or 15 cents.. that's what i call

HOT

you're picks? don't even come close yet... like i said? i don't want to be critical.. i'm just trying politely to reason with you

If your definition of "hot" includes pieces of $hit that are pumped and dumped for huge profits by insiders and a lucky few speculators, then yes, CSHD is "hot." If your definition is making steady gains over the course of time, then my picks are definitely "hotter" than CSHD. There's always a pump-and-dump scammer stock out there to talk about. CSHD isn't even that anymore. It's just dead.
I guess you just don't get it, even with your outrageous IQ, you do not get to decide what is hot and what is not. It is decided by the people who participate in the Allstocks forum.

Move on

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
it had its moments! this one could almost be made into a movie or at least a seminar for traders on red flags to avoid in the future. a lot of different things came into play here and as been proven in the past, anything can and will still happen. no one really knows how it will end up.

I completely and whole-heartedly agree with this post. CSHD was once a very hot (albeit a complete scam) stock. It would DEFINITELY make a great study in what to look for in a scam stock.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
I guess you just don't get it, even with your outrageous IQ, you do not get to decide what is hot and what is not. It is decided by the people who participate in the Allstocks forum.

Move on

GLTA
Wally


he was even invited to revive a whole Forum....

and KB? the forums do move and down on the front page of the site based on activity...

swing traders was higher up on the list for along time....

IMO? you are just being lazy... you are going to the biggest thread and raising heck so people will pay attention to you instead of earning it by making a few good picks...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
KB... FREE 4 ALL means any and all...

get over it...

Are we then ignoring the "Hot Stocks" portion of it? It's supposed to be a HOT STOCKS "free for all" which doesn't imply that COLD STOCKS or DEAD STOCKS should have any place in that forum. Should we then be able to post OTC stocks in the Exchange-traded forums? What about sub-pennies in the "stocks above .11" forums? All I'm saying is that the "HOT STOCKS Free For All" forum should be reserved for either stocks which are currently hot, or at least are showing some POTENTIAL for being hot at some point in the future. This one has neither characteristic.
I've sat back and watched your posts over and over again. I did LOL when you stated that you hadn't posted much here until today. I guess it was an imposter that was filling the previous pages.

If you believe that this is a subject that not only should not be discussed but removed from It's present location and that it is a waste of space, Why are you posting here? Posting how much smarter you are than people that own the stock may soothe your ego but ends up getting on people's nerves.

I've been around this board for many months and don't remember you warning us about this stock when we were all attempting to DD it. In fact I only remember you showing up late in the game with I told you so's.

I don't know you so will not comment on you personally because that would truly be a waste of space. I will say if you believe this thread is a waste of space you have three options. (1) Stop posting and forget it is here. (2) Continue posting and wasting space or (3) Start your own forum(message board) and then you can make the rules.

GLTA
Wally

I think it was very clear I meant I hadn't posted much here in this thread for the last few days. As for why I didn't warn you all about this POS beforehand, it's because I was not here. I left the boards after I tried to warn people off a similar stock (CMKM) a couple years ago, and similar BS happened. You attack a stock that people love, and they take it personally.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
I guess you just don't get it, even with your outrageous IQ, you do not get to decide what is hot and what is not. It is decided by the people who participate in the Allstocks forum.

Move on

GLTA
Wally


he was even invited to revive a whole Forum....

and KB? the forums do move and down on the front page of the site based on activity...

swing traders was higher up on the list for along time....

IMO? you are just being lazy... you are going to the biggest thread and raising heck so people will pay attention to you instead of earning it by making a few good picks...

That's BS. I posted over there, and will continue to do so. I don't post every damn idea I have, like some do. I only post when I'm relatively certain I'm on the right side of the trade. I've posted 4 picks in the month or so I've been back here.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Kevin, I was trying to be very courteous to you earlier, but what I got in return was more of the same stuff you have been dishing to everyone else. I haven't seen a single person participating in this thread appreciate anything you have to contribute, nor do they want it to continue, so I will kindly ask you a second time to please find somewhere else to hang out if all you can bring to the table is negativity. Odds are certainly in your favor that this thing isn't going anywhere from here, but there is enough hope that we haven't written it off as a total scam, and would like to continue discussing it rather than explaining to you why we are here.

Your cooperation would be greatly appreciated...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
That's BS. I posted over there, and will continue to do so. I don't post every damn idea I have, like some do. I only post when I'm relatively certain I'm on the right side of the trade. I've posted 4 picks in the month or so I've been here.

OK, i am incorrect...


why does it bother you that people post in this thread?
i say again that i don't think people are likely to get "suckered in" to a stock that is trading in the grey sheets...
i am pretty sure it's a broker only trade.. i don't know for sure, as i've never traded one...

i have traded plenty of Q's tho... (BKRPT co's)
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Kevin, I was trying to be very courteous to you earlier, but what I got in return was more of the same stuff you have been dishing to everyone else. I haven't seen a single person participating in this thread appreciate anything you have to contribute, nor do they want it to continue, so I will kindly ask you a second time to please find somewhere else to hang out if all you can bring to the table is negativity. Odds are certainly in your favor that this thing isn't going anywhere from here, but there is enough hope that we haven't written it off as a total scam, and would like to continue discussing it rather than explaining to you why we are here.

Your cooperation would be greatly appreciated...

Sheesh! What did I do to you? Here's the exact post I made in response to you

quote:
This is the best explanation yet of how CSHD could qualify as "hot." Unfortunately, I think most would assume that a "hot" stock would be one that is either running, or demonstrating signs that it has the POTENTIAL to run. CSHD has neither. But at least this explanation of how CSHD qualifies to be in this forum.
I said it was the BEST explanation I'd heard, for pete's sake! You gave the best defense I've heard for CSHD staying in this forum. How can you be pi$$ed at me for THAT?!?
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
That's BS. I posted over there, and will continue to do so. I don't post every damn idea I have, like some do. I only post when I'm relatively certain I'm on the right side of the trade. I've posted 4 picks in the month or so I've been here.

OK, i am incorrect...


why does it bother you that people post in this thread?
i say again that i don't think people are likely to get "suckered in" to a stock that is trading in the grey sheets...
i am pretty sure it's a broker only trade.. i don't know for sure, as i've never traded one...

i have traded plenty of Q's tho... (BKRPT co's)

Glass? Depending on your broker, some can trade online - Scottie does not, but Choicetrade I know does, FWIW...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I don't take anything personally. I do however hav a problem with individuals who come on to a thread for reasons other than discussing the stock.

If you have in the past had a bad expirence then why repeat it. If your purpose is to warn others of the problems this stock has, I think the SEC, NY Post, Lee Webb, Stockleemon and ourrstreet have beat you to it and done a great job in helping achieve grey sheet status. I'll make it plain. Your rantings are serving no purpose other than to clutter the pages and keep the thread at the top of the page, which in effect does the opposite of what you wish would happen.

As I stated before just move on. I am because I won't dignify anymore of your posts with an answer. Good luck to you. Now try and help people find stocks that they can make money on.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
That's BS. I posted over there, and will continue to do so. I don't post every damn idea I have, like some do. I only post when I'm relatively certain I'm on the right side of the trade. I've posted 4 picks in the month or so I've been here.

OK, i am incorrect...


why does it bother you that people post in this thread?
i say again that i don't think people are likely to get "suckered in" to a stock that is trading in the grey sheets...
i am pretty sure it's a broker only trade.. i don't know for sure, as i've never traded one...

i have traded plenty of Q's tho... (BKRPT co's)

If you trade the Qs, you're braver than me. I simply posted an opinion that threads on this stock were wasting space in a forum called "Hot Stocks." Then this madness ensued.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Q's have made me my absolute best short-term profits...

i have taken a couple of hard hits on them just as quickly...

that's trading.. not investing...

hot stocks implies trading stocks to me
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Kevin, I was trying to be very courteous to you earlier, but what I got in return was more of the same stuff you have been dishing to everyone else. I haven't seen a single person participating in this thread appreciate anything you have to contribute, nor do they want it to continue, so I will kindly ask you a second time to please find somewhere else to hang out if all you can bring to the table is negativity. Odds are certainly in your favor that this thing isn't going anywhere from here, but there is enough hope that we haven't written it off as a total scam, and would like to continue discussing it rather than explaining to you why we are here.

Your cooperation would be greatly appreciated...

Sheesh! What did I do to you? Here's the exact post I made in response to you

quote:
This is the best explanation yet of how CSHD could qualify as "hot." Unfortunately, I think most would assume that a "hot" stock would be one that is either running, or demonstrating signs that it has the POTENTIAL to run. CSHD has neither. But at least this explanation of how CSHD qualifies to be in this forum.
I said it was the BEST explanation I'd heard, for pete's sake! You gave the best defense I've heard for CSHD staying in this forum. How can you be pi$$ed at me for THAT?!?

You have done nothing to me, and I am certainly not pissed at you, though I did take the tone of your post differently from what you obviously intended. I just think that the time could be better served by all to either DD something with this stock, or share experiences with other stocks. Until this one is in receivership, it isn't dead, and I for one am quite impressed that it is channeling where it is.

You are 100% correct that there are several here "in love" with this stock...a big "no-no" I, for one, was sucked in and REALLY wish I'd sold when it was in the 3's. I'm just new enough that I was afraid to do it. Learned a lesson, but I still have my shares, and I will hope that things begin to move forward again. If they don't, then I have at least made some new friends that have taught me much more valuable tools than I spent on the shares, and for that I am grateful...

I truly don't mind your posts...and at the same time hope I get an opportunity to say a few "I told you so"s in a few months...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Sherri-

Honestly? I hope you get those "I told you so's" as well. I don't wish lost money on anyone. That's why I get so pissed off about stocks like this one. They cost people a LOT of money.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
kevin a lot of us who post here do trade other pennies and stocks so most of us already focus elsewhere. wouldn't you like to be in this at .20 if for some reason it went back to 4 dollars? some of us like me want to be in on the ressurection if and when this stock ever recovers plus the dd on these threads have a lot of useful information for trades we make in the future. most of us on this board do stick together even though we disagree about stuff from time to time. help us out with some good information, not gloom and doom imho.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
help us out with some good information, not gloom and doom imho.

or humor....

it sux being "in" on a play like this even if you did cover your capital....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
We should call this the KeeKee comfy thread.
corrected.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
the idea is to be smarter going out of it than we were going into it. a lot of lessons to be learned here for sure!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
2 pages to explain to someone with a high IQ why we still want to own this stock, besides the fact that it won't sell for much if we do. Or could.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
That's the key to all trades--both good and bad: learn the lessons there to be learned from the trade. That's another major problem I've had with this thread: it seems some are refusing to learn valuable lessons about accurately identifying scam stocks that are there to be learned from this stock. For some reason, it seems people just refuse to believe this stock was little more than a chimera.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
OK go and sin no more.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Never mind.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
i agree with you up to a point kevin. a penny stock is a penny stock. period. the ones who really lost here were the ones who tried to treat it as a investment or a blue chip which it is not. i think of the pennies as positions not investments. get in and get out quick while the going is good. learned this the hard way. and i did pretty well off rufus.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
still going?????????????????????????????
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
That's the key to all trades--both good and bad: learn the lessons there to be learned from the trade. That's another major problem I've had with this thread: it seems some are refusing to learn valuable lessons about accurately identifying scam stocks that are there to be learned from this stock. For some reason, it seems people just refuse to believe this stock was little more than a chimera.

I have to interject.....

There have been more good picks from people on this thread in the past week than ever. Why you might ask......

Because we GENUINELY care about each other.

We want to see our CSHD family/friends make money.

Have we learned from this play?? You bet your as$.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
OK...

have skimmed...

Kevin? cool it... we've chatted once before, eh? From what I've skimmed, you're suggesting stuff more appropriate to the "suggestions" forum...

everybody? the stock or the company...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
I just got back from taking my daughter to swimming...walked in the door and smelled something awful. I followed the scent over to my computer and noticed that I was still logged into the Allstocks website...the scent was definitely coming from the monitor...it almost knocked me out of my chair.

In my attempt to get caught up...it didn't take me long to find out what the problem was...there is a dirty rotten scoundrel in the room who is up to his old tricks. His name is Kevin Bailey.

Dude...thought you learned your lesson a few weeks ago. You are pretty much the only basher left. Even those losers have moved on to another victim. I guess that makes you the biggest loser. Anyway…why don't you do the same? We are tired and a bit down…but we are not out by any means. Let us figure this one out...it's what we do.

OK...

last personal attack for the night, lol...

realize you got in even later than I did... but that's it, kids...


company or the stock...
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
OK...

have skimmed...

Kevin? cool it... we've chatted once before, eh? From what I've skimmed, you're suggesting stuff more appropriate to the "suggestions" forum...

everybody? the stock or the company...

Leave it to TEX to lay down the LAW [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Would faulty information on the NOBO list from this company really be all that surprising?

Definitely more surprising than there being more than one Holly Springs Baptist Church. I found a Holly Springs in Georgia, North Carolina and Mississippi in the first page of the Google search.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Meaning...what?

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
I just got back from taking my daughter to swimming...walked in the door and smelled something awful. I followed the scent over to my computer and noticed that I was still logged into the Allstocks website...the scent was definitely coming from the monitor...it almost knocked me out of my chair.

In my attempt to get caught up...it didn't take me long to find out what the problem was...there is a dirty rotten scoundrel in the room who is up to his old tricks. His name is Kevin Bailey.

Dude...thought you learned your lesson a few weeks ago. You are pretty much the only basher left. Even those losers have moved on to another victim. I guess that makes you the biggest loser. Anyway…why don't you do the same? We are tired and a bit down…but we are not out by any means. Let us figure this one out...it's what we do.

OK...

last personal attack for the night, lol...

realize you got in even later than I did... but that's it, kids...


company or the stock...


meaning what?

lol, reining it in tonight...

too much personal junk going on...

feel free to make good posts about the company OR the stock...
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
that surprised me too tax. the one on the nobo list was in texas
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Wow, I thought there was news or something big happening!All these pages! What a let down, talk about wasted space.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
that surprised me too tax. the one on the nobo list was in texas

It was in Texas.

http://www.hsbc-tx.com/home

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
garrison, texas. thanks wally. i should have saved the nobo list to disk like i did with most of the other stuff but i didn't. at least you proved the church exists.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Glad to see my posts are disappearing. And the chairman of the SHC informing me that it was actually MY fault that people jumped all over me for attacking this stock? That post mysteriously disappeared as well. Here's the text of it, though, as I cut and pasted it before Glass could delete it:

quote:
Kevin....You will recall I asked the board to give you a chance for constructive criticism and to contribute.

Your inability to exhibit both tact and common decency has squandered that opportunity and my trust.

I'm still not sure how this personal attack mess gets turned around on me. I attacked the STOCK.

And, Glass? Why the hell did my message to Tax, Tex, and "St."Matt get deleted? Nothing I said there was wrong.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Tex,

OK...sorry about that...I got ya...I totally agree...let's stay focused.

Just trying to have a little fun since we haven't had any real fun for a few weeks.

Good night all...going to dream of a better tomorrow.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Kevin, just a word of advice. Reposting messages that were deleted by moderators will probably result in just more trouble for yourself. That should be fairly obvious for most people. They were deleted for a reason. [Smile]

Are there any more "leads" that have popped up recently? Its late so im headed to bed soon but ive got google loaded and im ready to use it!!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Glad to see my posts are disappearing. And the chairman of the SHC informing me that it was actually MY fault that people jumped all over me for attacking this stock? That post mysteriously disappeared as well. Here's the text of it, though, as I cut and pasted it before Glass could delete it:

quote:
Kevin....You will recall I asked the board to give you a chance for constructive criticism and to contribute.

Your inability to exhibit both tact and common decency has squandered that opportunity and my trust.

I'm still not sure how this personal attack mess gets turned around on me. I attacked the STOCK.

And, Glass? Why the hell did my message to Tax, Tex, and "St."Matt get deleted? Nothing I said there was wrong.

kevin?

as far as i know, I'm the only active mod, right now...

It's possible I deleted something I didn't intend to: however, the Web master will have a copy (in case it's important/crucial, etc)...


Even though I might agreee? the thread was getting out if hand...

Your PM on?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Kevin, just a word of advice. Reposting messages that were deleted by moderators will probably result in just more trouble for yourself. That should be fairly obvious for most people. They were deleted for a reason. [Smile]

Are there any more "leads" that have popped up recently? Its late so im headed to bed soon but ive got google loaded and im ready to use it!!

Catia?

mods will handle it... lol

appreciate your good intentions, though!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Tex,

OK...sorry about that...I got ya...I totally agree...let's stay focused.

Just trying to have a little fun since we haven't had any real fun for a few weeks.

Good night all...going to dream of a better tomorrow.

ya, fun is... well, fun!

lottsa fun DD left, here...as far I can tell
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Tex....oh yea? That remains to be seen i guess. Appreciate your good intentions though! (and the slap on the hand)

Good night board!
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Hello folks, I haven't had the time or the inclination to post much lately. Are we supposedly expecting anything in the near future? Any news on maybe someday getting a market maker?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Glad to see my posts are disappearing. And the chairman of the SHC informing me that it was actually MY fault that people jumped all over me for attacking this stock? That post mysteriously disappeared as well. Here's the text of it, though, as I cut and pasted it before Glass could delete it:

quote:
Kevin....You will recall I asked the board to give you a chance for constructive criticism and to contribute.

Your inability to exhibit both tact and common decency has squandered that opportunity and my trust.

I'm still not sure how this personal attack mess gets turned around on me. I attacked the STOCK.

And, Glass? Why the hell did my message to Tax, Tex, and "St."Matt get deleted? Nothing I said there was wrong.

Kevin? what makes you so sure i deleted anything...

we try to keep allstocks polite...
you are so wrapped up in your own perspective that you don't seem to understand other peoples perspectives, even tho we try very hard to 'splain them to you...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Tex....oh yea? That remains to be seen i guess. Appreciate your good intentions though! (and the slap on the hand)

Good night board!

lol...

g'night
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Tex....oh yea? That remains to be seen i guess. Appreciate your good intentions though! (and the slap on the hand)

Good night board!

lol...

g'night

[Razz]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Tex....oh yea? That remains to be seen i guess. Appreciate your good intentions though! (and the slap on the hand)

Good night board!

lol...

g'night

[Razz]
wheeeee....

we seeing who can stay up later?

[Razz] [Razz]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Glad to see my posts are disappearing. And the chairman of the SHC informing me that it was actually MY fault that people jumped all over me for attacking this stock? That post mysteriously disappeared as well. Here's the text of it, though, as I cut and pasted it before Glass could delete it:

quote:
Kevin....You will recall I asked the board to give you a chance for constructive criticism and to contribute.

Your inability to exhibit both tact and common decency has squandered that opportunity and my trust.

I'm still not sure how this personal attack mess gets turned around on me. I attacked the STOCK.

And, Glass? Why the hell did my message to Tax, Tex, and "St."Matt get deleted? Nothing I said there was wrong.

Kevin? what makes you so sure i deleted anything...

we try to keep allstocks polite...
you are so wrapped up in your own perspective that you don't seem to understand other peoples perspectives, even tho we try very hard to 'splain them to you...

It--and others of my posts--disappeared. Meanwhile, you claim that JMS didn't cross the line in his initial posts. Call me crazy, but I assumed that you were selectively deleting posts in this thread.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Hey KB...youre not "Representative Kevin Bailey" of the Texas House of Representatives are you? Cuz that would be just weird.

But, if you were that same Kevin Bailey do you think you could pull some strings there in Texas and get us some good DD? [Smile]

Tex, tonight you would win...im poopered
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey KB...youre not "Representative Kevin Bailey" of the Texas House of Representatives are you? Cuz that would be just weird.

But, if you were that same Kevin Bailey do you think you could pull some strings there in Texas and get us some good DD? [Smile]

Tex, tonight you would win...im poopered

Nope, not me. That'd be pretty damn funny if it were, though!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Man- I was out at dinner and happy hour with some work stuff. I get back and its ww3 with KB [Smile]

Anything interesting with the stock this eve?

Tex-

Glad to see you are in the saddle and keeping the the banter inline. Beats you and I posting back and forth regarding court proceedings [Smile]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey KB...youre not "Representative Kevin Bailey" of the Texas House of Representatives are you? Cuz that would be just weird.

But, if you were that same Kevin Bailey do you think you could pull some strings there in Texas and get us some good DD? [Smile]

Tex, tonight you would win...im poopered

lol...

Tonight?!!!!

jeez...I break my own personal-attack rule: you're goofy as a twelve-cent tip [Big Grin]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
It--and others of my posts--disappeared. Meanwhile, you claim that JMS didn't cross the line in his initial posts. Call me crazy, but I assumed that you were selectively deleting posts in this thread,

i didn't say he didn't cross the line... re-read carefully smart man...

KB? i'm getting bored with thtis... For Whom the Bell Tolls is on and i think Hemingway was a wimp in denial, but it's more interesting than watching you whine...

you ask for abuse and then complain when yuo get it...

LOL...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Now you claim that I ASKED for abuse? I wrote a post attacking the STOCK. Then the piling on began. Whatever.

quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
It--and others of my posts--disappeared. Meanwhile, you claim that JMS didn't cross the line in his initial posts. Call me crazy, but I assumed that you were selectively deleting posts in this thread,

i didn't say he didn't cross the line... re-read carefully smart man...

KB? i'm getting bored with thtis... For Whom the Bell Tolls is on and i think Hemingway was a wimp in denial, but it's more interesting than watching you whine...

you ask for abuse and then complain when yuo get it...

LOL...


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Man- I was out at dinner and happy hour with some work stuff. I get back and its ww3 with KB [Smile]

Anything interesting with the stock this eve?

Tex-

Glad to see you are in the saddle and keeping the the banter inline. Beats you and I posting back and forth regarding court proceedings [Smile]

Actually?

That's what I'd rather do...track down the facts of the case at hand.


But...you know what they say?

One riot, one ranger [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey KB...youre not "Representative Kevin Bailey" of the Texas House of Representatives are you? Cuz that would be just weird.

But, if you were that same Kevin Bailey do you think you could pull some strings there in Texas and get us some good DD? [Smile]

Tex, tonight you would win...im poopered

lol...

Tonight?!!!!

jeez...I break my own personal-attack rule: you're goofy as a twelve-cent tip [Big Grin]

I meant you would win in the "who can stay up later" game. Or maybe you understood what i meant and you are an insomniac? LOL

Im goofy regardless
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
kevin you will be ok...many more pennies that are terrible investments.

Nobody here needs saving unfortunately [Eek!]

 -

[ December 07, 2006, 23:24: Message edited by: T e x ]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Hey KB...youre not "Representative Kevin Bailey" of the Texas House of Representatives are you? Cuz that would be just weird.

But, if you were that same Kevin Bailey do you think you could pull some strings there in Texas and get us some good DD? [Smile]

Tex, tonight you would win...im poopered

lol...

Tonight?!!!!

jeez...I break my own personal-attack rule: you're goofy as a twelve-cent tip [Big Grin]

I meant you would win in the "who can stay up later" game. Or maybe you understood what i meant and you are an insomniac? LOL

Im goofy regardless

ya, me, too...
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
He wasn't a whimp, just a brilliant writer.

quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
It--and others of my posts--disappeared. Meanwhile, you claim that JMS didn't cross the line in his initial posts. Call me crazy, but I assumed that you were selectively deleting posts in this thread,

i didn't say he didn't cross the line... re-read carefully smart man...

KB? i'm getting bored with thtis... For Whom the Bell Tolls is on and i think Hemingway was a wimp in denial, but it's more interesting than watching you whine...

you ask for abuse and then complain when yuo get it...

LOL...


 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
KB, this would actually be funnier than the Texas Rep one.

"impartial financial advice for the everyday investor"

http://www.moneymanagers.com.au/your_money_guide.asp

Good quote in the book actually.....

"To invest successfully you need the temperament to accept the things you cannot change, the strength to change the things you can and the wisdom to know the difference." - Kevin Bailey (The Australian one not our KB)

If i run out of DD material i DD board members. Whos next? [Smile]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
KB, this would actually be funnier than the Texas Rep one.

"impartial financial advice for the everyday investor"

http://www.moneymanagers.com.au/your_money_guide.asp

Good quote in the book actually.....

"To invest successfully you need the temperament to accept the things you cannot change, the strength to change the things you can and the wisdom to know the difference." - Kevin Bailey (The Australian one not our KB)

If i run out of DD material i DD board members. Whos next? [Smile]

That Kevin Bailey is right, even though he simply ripped off the Serenity Prayer from AA ...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Actually, now that you mention it...i think even AA ripped it off. I think that one goes way back...before people decided to quit drinking
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Hmmm... maybe they ALL stole it from George's dad. You know, "Serenity now!!!"
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
KB, this would actually be funnier than the Texas Rep one.

"impartial financial advice for the everyday investor"

http://www.moneymanagers.com.au/your_money_guide.asp

Good quote in the book actually.....

"To invest successfully you need the temperament to accept the things you cannot change, the strength to change the things you can and the wisdom to know the difference." - Kevin Bailey (The Australian one not our KB)

If i run out of DD material i DD board members. Whos next? [Smile]

Okay cat, I'm game.DD me next lol
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Hmmm... maybe they ALL stole it from George's dad. You know, "Serenity now!!!"

Are you supposed to yell it?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
KB, this would actually be funnier than the Texas Rep one.

"impartial financial advice for the everyday investor"

http://www.moneymanagers.com.au/your_money_guide.asp

Good quote in the book actually.....

"To invest successfully you need the temperament to accept the things you cannot change, the strength to change the things you can and the wisdom to know the difference." - Kevin Bailey (The Australian one not our KB)

If i run out of DD material i DD board members. Whos next? [Smile]

Okay cat, I'm game.DD me next lol
At first glance.....looks like trouble. [Razz]

Ok, Tex passed out so i win. I cant think of anything stock or company related to post about either so why cant i get my butt out of this chair?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Hmmm... maybe they ALL stole it from George's dad. You know, "Serenity now!!!"

Are you supposed to yell it?
Yes, I believe you are ...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Its CSHD Catia- its like a weird tractor beam that keeps us all stuck to the screen/keyboard!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Tex, did cat really outlast ya? And my butt needs to get out of my chair. cat, wrong, no trouble here lol
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Go to SLEEP!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Hmmm... maybe they ALL stole it from George's dad. You know, "Serenity now!!!"

Are you supposed to yell it?
Yes, I believe you are ...
Actually the next line was "The man on the tape wasnt specific"

Ya left me hangin.......
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Go to SLEEP!

Make me some warm milk and cookies!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Go to SLEEP!

Oh all right port, i'll go to sleep, but it's not nice to yell at momma. lol
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Ambien?

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Go to SLEEP!

Make me some warm milk and cookies!

 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
kb- despite all your good advice about this stock....

Where is the news this eve [Wink]


 -
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Hmmm... maybe they ALL stole it from George's dad. You know, "Serenity now!!!"

Are you supposed to yell it?
Yes, I believe you are ...
Actually the next line was "The man on the tape wasnt specific"

Ya left me hangin.......

Crap! I forgot about that. My bad! [Smile]
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Mom... I was yelling facetiously at CATIA. [Wink]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Ambien?

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Go to SLEEP!

Make me some warm milk and cookies!

Ahhh, so thats your secret. [Smile]

You make a good point Port.

Good night again......really
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
kb- despite all your good advice about this stock....

Where is the news this eve [Wink]


 -

Beer, Pot, and CSHD ... well, at least he could get drunk and high as he watched the RPH/Mike A./Tut combination piss his share value away ...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
KB, this would actually be funnier than the Texas Rep one.

"impartial financial advice for the everyday investor"

http://www.moneymanagers.com.au/your_money_guide.asp

Good quote in the book actually.....

"To invest successfully you need the temperament to accept the things you cannot change, the strength to change the things you can and the wisdom to know the difference." - Kevin Bailey (The Australian one not our KB)

If i run out of DD material i DD board members. Whos next? [Smile]

Okay cat, I'm game.DD me next lol
At first glance.....looks like trouble. [Razz]

Ok, Tex passed out so i win. I cant think of anything stock or company related to post about either so why cant i get my butt out of this chair?

hardly....

I, on the other hand, can think about stock/company-related issues...

namely, this Euroclear thing.

I *am* not convinced that the company is a "member" of Euroclear.

As a poster elsewhere today mentioned, i also believe Euroclear to be somewhat equivalent to DTCC...

In that light, what "pennystock company" (or, almost any company) is a member of DTCC ( DTC ) ?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Mom... I was yelling facetiously at CATIA. [Wink]

Yes I know and agree with you..the alarm clock is going to be going off before he knows it, oh I meant before everyone knows it haha
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Tex, did cat really outlast ya? And my butt needs to get out of my chair. cat, wrong, no trouble here lol

lol...

it's true I do give out, sometimes...

but...

I never give up!


[Wink]
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
OK, time for the late nite roller derby featuring the longs and the shorts ... and don't foget the bashers! Three teems at once on a figure 8 track. Guess we'll see who wins in January! Good night all ... btw, it makes it easy to catch up when one can skim very quickly over all the bs bashing! Maybe we should go back to picture stuff ... LOL!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
good night to all and to all have a good night.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Mom... I was yelling facetiously at CATIA. [Wink]

Mark,

what's the latest word?

I saw on I-hub that a poster claimed to have formed some effort to get a class-action suit filed.

Any news there?


How about the "shareholder Web site"?

any updates there?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
Mom... I was yelling facetiously at CATIA. [Wink]

Mark,

what's the latest word?

I saw on I-hub that a poster claimed to have formed some effort to get a class-action suit filed.

Any news there?


How about the "shareholder Web site"?

any updates there?

Who is the guy on I-hub suing?? I-hub....LOL
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, i couldnt go to bed without at least one stock relevant post. I have a question regarding "registered shares".

Randy Moseley is an officer so wouldnt he only receive restricted stock?

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/12/20/0001144204-05-040479/Section51.asp
"On December 12, 2005, the Company issued 300,000 shares of its common stock to
Randy Moseley, the Companys Executive Vice President and Chief Financial
Officer. The shares vest in annual increments of 100,000 shares beginning
December 12, 2006."

It looks like he is scheduled to pick up 100k common shares next week. Will those shares automatically be converted to restricted?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
any ideas as
to what the emergency shareholder meeting will be about?

i mean whats the urgency and why is it an emergency... wouldnt it be swelllllllll if they announce that day they will be opening up the next day with mms....

this is the best dreamer stock by far =)
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
does anyone understand these files, and what exactly is it stating?
http://www.digitalislandsinc.com/misc/Frank_Cristiano_Declaration.pdf
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
any ideas as
to what the emergency shareholder meeting will be about?

i mean whats the urgency and why is it an emergency... wouldnt it be swelllllllll if they announce that day they will be opening up the next day with mms....

this is the best dreamer stock by far =)

that sounds like news, lol...

emergency meeting?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
lol

um yes an "emergency meeting" is scheduled in dc next sunday, anyone here going?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
lol

um yes an "emergency meeting" is scheduled in dc next sunday, anyone here going?

who scheduled that?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
tex u gotta read the pr dude...
11/17 - Conversion Solutions Announces Emergency Shareholders Meeting

KENNESAW, Ga., Nov. 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces that an emergency shareholders meeting has been called and will be held in Washington, D.C. on December 17, 2006 (30 days from today). The Meeting will be available via tele-conference and video-conference.

Each shareholder of record will receive notification via mail. The exact location of the meeting is to be announced upon receipt of the required permits.

CSHD would also like to call an emergency meeting of the shareholders committee via teleconference November 18, 2006 at 5:00 PM.

Each shareholder is hereby requested to go to the following website starting on Monday, November 20, 2006: www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com. A database will be set-up so each shareholder can update your mailing information for the corporate mailer. The corporation will cross reference the information provided against a current NOBO list.

CSHD would like announce the result of the last internal market investigation of reported shareholders vs. NOBO list; the number of documented shareholders above the reported NOBO exceed 800 and still counting.

Rufus Paul Harris, Chairman and CEO stated, 'Very confusing events have taken place and I feel that it is necessary and very important to hold the annual meeting and discuss with every shareholder the forward movement of the corporation. I will be releasing important information about the corporation's current status and recent events over the weekend.

'I know the storm is strong and we may suffer some damage but we will still be standing strong at the end. I have worked long and hard to form and build this corporation, and I will not stand by and let illegal market activities prevent us from our goals. Our corporation is the model corporation and will be the beginning of a new market place. Be careful out there in the market; try not to feed the beast unless forced too. I would also like to thank each and every one of you for your prayers in these trying times, and may GOD bless each of you.'
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
tex u gotta read the pr dude...
11/17 - Conversion Solutions Announces Emergency Shareholders Meeting

KENNESAW, Ga., Nov. 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces that an emergency shareholders meeting has been called and will be held in Washington, D.C. on December 17, 2006 (30 days from today). The Meeting will be available via tele-conference and video-conference.

Each shareholder of record will receive notification via mail. The exact location of the meeting is to be announced upon receipt of the required permits.

CSHD would also like to call an emergency meeting of the shareholders committee via teleconference November 18, 2006 at 5:00 PM.

Each shareholder is hereby requested to go to the following website starting on Monday, November 20, 2006: www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com. A database will be set-up so each shareholder can update your mailing information for the corporate mailer. The corporation will cross reference the information provided against a current NOBO list.

CSHD would like announce the result of the last internal market investigation of reported shareholders vs. NOBO list; the number of documented shareholders above the reported NOBO exceed 800 and still counting.

Rufus Paul Harris, Chairman and CEO stated, 'Very confusing events have taken place and I feel that it is necessary and very important to hold the annual meeting and discuss with every shareholder the forward movement of the corporation. I will be releasing important information about the corporation's current status and recent events over the weekend.

'I know the storm is strong and we may suffer some damage but we will still be standing strong at the end. I have worked long and hard to form and build this corporation, and I will not stand by and let illegal market activities prevent us from our goals. Our corporation is the model corporation and will be the beginning of a new market place. Be careful out there in the market; try not to feed the beast unless forced too. I would also like to thank each and every one of you for your prayers in these trying times, and may GOD bless each of you.'

uhh...
trade04, wasn't that previous-ex-CEO in-law who issued that?

Anybody believe the march on DC is still underway?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
it doesnt matter tex, hes not the only employee, im sure the new CEO will honor this event for the shareholders..
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
it doesnt matter tex, hes not the only employee, im sure the new CEO will honor this event for the shareholders..

really?

why?

isn't the "new CEO" part of the bunch that had the former CEO ousted?

not following you, here...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
well we will see if it happens or not i guess...but it is the right thing to do
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Tex ~ What I am worried about... AND what we all should be worried about! Is that the CURRENT CEO did not officially cancel the Shareholders meeting by December 7th.

I am not positive and will have to look a bit deeper, but I think by not canceling the meeting, and by not getting Proxy votes and prospectus for that meeting into the hands of each and every shareholder prior to 10 days before that meeting. Even Rufas in his drunken state on SPR knew about this rule/issue and warned John and Co. about letting this date slip.

Did the new CEO just violate a SEC rule, and there by violate the injunction? [Frown]

"Special" meetings, "Emergency" meetings, and especially Shareholder meetings are regulated.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
to me this is all about getting and sharing information, so let me share this link with you:

http://www.hot-stock-market.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36435

remove the dashes so it will work

this link is full of useful information and is a must read for anyone trying to make money with the pennies. it has good advice that i use every day. since there will probably be no news out on cshd, try spending some time with this!
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Would faulty information on the NOBO list from this company really be all that surprising?

Definitely more surprising than there being more than one Holly Springs Baptist Church. I found a Holly Springs in Georgia, North Carolina and Mississippi in the first page of the Google search.
Almost positive you could find one of those in every Southern state...pretty sure that Arkansas and Alabama have one too, even if they aren't big enough for a website. The rule of thumb: If there is a town named Holly Springs, there will be a Holly Springs Baptist Church FWIW...
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Hello folks, I haven't had the time or the inclination to post much lately. Are we supposedly expecting anything in the near future? Any news on maybe someday getting a market maker?

In case no one answered you, I think we are pretty much just hanging out here until January - don't expect too much until then...
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I sure hope we hear something before Jan. Just a little update or something. There's got to be something that is going on, and I hope they'll let us in on it.

Good morning all.
 
Posted by ajman on :
 
we hope that someone somewhere is doing something for the shareholders, but we don't really know that even though we now have a PR firm to keep us updated. [Frown]

As loyal as the shareholders have been to this company it seems like now is not the best of times to just ignore us. An update saying we are working on it would be nice, at least we would know that not everyone went on vacation.

Ok, just frustrated at the obvious lack of concern for the shareholders, but I'm done for now.

[Frown] [Frown] [Frown] [Frown] [Frown] [Frown] [Frown]
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
You guys have to accept that this was a scam all along. Look I was fooled by it to and lost some money - not a lot, but enough. The red flags went off for me with the late 10K , but I believed that we would at least see the 6:1 - one more red flag and I would have sold.

However the SEC halt was the last red flag but it was too late. Now there is no choice for longs but to hold and hope that somehow Arlitt can get us the 6:1 and get us back to the OTCBB so we can sell out around .10 - .20 and re-coup some if not all our losses. I went back and forth on this alot but unfortunately when the music stopped I - like you - could not find a chair.

What saddens me more than losing money (because I'll make that back no problem) is the fact that Rufus, Ben, and all the people involved in this scam are going to walk away scot free.

What makes me somewhat happy is that Rufus Paul Harris will NEVER be trusted again in the stock market world. If he EVER tries to pull this again, or is involved with a public company people will run for the hills. His name is tarnished in the same way as Frank Olsen, Mario Pino, etc, etc, etc...

What also gives me some peace in this is that I do know one trader who made an absolute killing on this - I mean close to 700K. He is making some significant donations to several charity's during the holidy season and truly making a difference. I should have listened to him when he sold over $3, but again I believed Rufus Paul Harris.

So the good news is that some people that really need the help (I think one charity is a school for homeless children) are reaping the benefits of this.

Still I would really like to see RPH do some time for this, or face years of class action lawsuits with any money that can be wrangled out of him going to charitys.

Some of the stocks that I have made money back on; BANY, APPI, AQUA.

I'm also in PDSC, PHEI, GLLC, and waiting for FGFC to go. GLTA and Happy Holidays!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I find it interesting that people are posting things like "scam" and "fraud" when we still have no response from the Federal Court. Im curious where you people got your information, please share.....or maybe we should let Clarence Cooper decide?

If its your opinion that Rufus, Ben or whoever is a fraud then say its your opinion. Things like..."the fact that Rufus, Ben, and all the people involved in this scam" are not written as opinion. The word FACT troubles me. Everyone is upset about what has been happening with our company and our money, not just a select few. Everyone should be more responsible about their posts IMO. Including me I suppose
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Port?
How can we contact you? Your box has been full for days..and you said the other day that you do not really read the thread alot any more...
How would one get a question/concern to the SHC?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
MrCatiaengineer, technically you are right. I can't say that I can call this a scam, when it's still not proof from the SEC about the bonds ownership.
Whats troublesome to me is that there is supposed to be so much assets that the company has PRed etc,. And theres never any forward movement with any of it. Theres always one more step to take one more little glitch in a filing. We have way more bonds than we do JV's. How many bonds does someone need to generate some business. I talked to the SEC more than once. Alana Black and Hicks both just yesterday and came away with the feeling that they are'nt or should'nt be a delay in this company moving forward. According to them the issue is how much of the previously mentioned bonds does Conversion own and a few issues with Harris. It sounded like Conversion is'nt even in jeopardy of being shutdown (unless the SEC are lying), they just want to get this bond issue satisfied. So it all falls back on the mgmnt from where I'm standing and what the problem is with making this company move forward. Maybe someone is I wish I knew, but this is the way I see it right now from the info that is available to me.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya PORT how do we start using some representation and getting some recognition as shareholders? [Wink]


quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Port?
How can we contact you? Your box has been full for days..and you said the other day that you do not really read the thread alot any more...
How would one get a question/concern to the SHC?


 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
I see some of you were talking about that church and I don't know if you seen the responce from someone that goes to that church.


HOLDING >CSHD


SOURCE: Form 144

ISSUER: CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDING CORP
SYMBOL: CSHD


FILER: HOLLY SPRINGS BAPTIST CHURCH
TITLE: Shareholder
BROKER: SWS FINANCIAL SERVICES
RESTRICTED SHARES TO SELL: 75,000 DATE REGISTERED: 12/4/2006
APPROXIMATE DATE OF SALE: 11/28/2006

The Form 144 is filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission to
reflect the intention of any holder of restricted stock to sell those
shares. After the 144 is mailed to the S.E.C., the filer is permitted
to sell the shares, or any fraction of them, within 90 days.

Form 144 Data Source: The Washington Service
(info*washingtonservice.com or 301-913-5100)


(END) Dow Jones Newswires

12-06-06 2312ET

23:12 120606


Sorry, just came home from Holly Springs Baptist Church (late choir practice) and saw this a few pages back.

Dow Jones Newswires is WAY BEHIND time, as this 144 was filed almost 3 months ago and the 90 days is about to expire. None of the stock was ever sold, we only prepared to do so in the event we felt it was best.

This stock was purchased by a group of men, not by the Church, and given to the Church in hopes to build a Family Life Center.

Well, looking back on it now....we probably should have sold...but didn't. Still hanging in there.

Have no idea how Dow Jones is just now getting the NEWS!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
PORT,PORT,PORT,PORT!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good Morning everyone. I am older than alot of you, notice I didn't say "and wiser". This board has so many smart people on it and I respect you all and know that I can look on here and find good information {most of the time,you know who you are}.Until a few years ago , I always believed "innocent until proven guilty". Now , this is where the older part comes in.I now believe "innocent until proven guilty and even then a few of the innocent are proven guilty".This comes from many news information's out there. I'm not saying who's guilty or who's innocent in this company until it is proven. I have never bashed anyone in this company and never will until ALL the facts are in. Sorry this is so long , but I have wanted to say this for weeks. GLTA
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Thanks for the information Bo.
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
This might be old news
Here is the very first post from the person on hsm that posted about Holly Springs Baptist Church It looks like she is from Texas.You all probably know of her.

Please don't ban because I am a "newbie". Just couldn't stand it any longer listening to you guys and lurking in the shadows. Over two and a half years and never sold a dime. This is huge for our Church and little small community in "East Texas". Could be the "richest little town in Texas" before long.

We, like BlindFaith, got in with MA and DP long ago because of who they are and the faith we had in their integrity. When RPH said "fronthaul just happened to be at the right place at the right time".....I said, "thank you, Lord." Now we all need to pray for wisdom for us, as well as our CEO and others in the company.

To God be the glory....great things He has done!
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
I don't guess you happened to ask them what it is exactly they wanted regarding "proof" or "ownership" did you?

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
MrCatiaengineer, technically you are right. I can't say that I can call this a scam, when it's still not proof from the SEC about the bonds ownership.
Whats troublesome to me is that there is supposed to be so much assets that the company has PRed etc,. And theres never any forward movement with any of it. Theres always one more step to take one more little glitch in a filing. We have way more bonds than we do JV's. How many bonds does someone need to generate some business. I talked to the SEC more than once. Alana Black and Hicks both just yesterday and came away with the feeling that they are'nt or should'nt be a delay in this company moving forward. According to them the issue is how much of the previously mentioned bonds does Conversion own and a few issues with Harris. It sounded like Conversion is'nt even in jeopardy of being shutdown (unless the SEC are lying), they just want to get this bond issue satisfied. So it all falls back on the mgmnt from where I'm standing and what the problem is with making this company move forward. Maybe someone is I wish I knew, but this is the way I see it right now from the info that is available to me.


 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Many like-minded, analytical people used their skills and assets to come to valid conclusions regarding CSHD and its claim to bond ownership. You have no reason to believe what you have researched and seen with your own eyes is fraudulent.

The SEC brought forth action against two entities – Rufus Paul Harris and CSHD. These entities remain mutually exclusive- both factually and legally.

You should not let what you have witnessed recently by RPH cloud your judgment of what you know to be true.

If you have listened RPH on SubPennyRadio.com, you would know that RPH is NOT the conduit to the Caracas Group. Rufus has said several times that this relationship belongs to Romeo Venditti. Furthermore, RPH said Sabra Dabbs forged CSHD’s connection to Romeo Venditti. He also admitted that the connection with Rudolph Giuliani is through Sabra Dabbs. So, what importance did RPH play in the acquisition of these huge credit facilities? By his own admission, NONE!

I do not think it is wise to extrapolate the apparent demise of RPH into the demise of CSHD. Their immediacy is likely causal, but their fate is mutually exclusive!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I know they believe the bond to be real, but as you know the question is of how much did Rufus claaim Conversion owns, if any at all. No I did'nt get a specific document named that would satisfy them. Just that they're stance has'nt changed on that particular issue as yet. Sorry. Maybe i'll call them again. It took about half a dozen calls to get them live on the phone. If there's a discrepancy on Conversions part it almost sounds like it would be better to fess up to it and get it over with, but I'm not sure about that.


quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I don't guess you happened to ask them what it is exactly they wanted regarding "proof" or "ownership" did you?

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
MrCatiaengineer, technically you are right. I can't say that I can call this a scam, when it's still not proof from the SEC about the bonds ownership.
Whats troublesome to me is that there is supposed to be so much assets that the company has PRed etc,. And theres never any forward movement with any of it. Theres always one more step to take one more little glitch in a filing. We have way more bonds than we do JV's. How many bonds does someone need to generate some business. I talked to the SEC more than once. Alana Black and Hicks both just yesterday and came away with the feeling that they are'nt or should'nt be a delay in this company moving forward. According to them the issue is how much of the previously mentioned bonds does Conversion own and a few issues with Harris. It sounded like Conversion is'nt even in jeopardy of being shutdown (unless the SEC are lying), they just want to get this bond issue satisfied. So it all falls back on the mgmnt from where I'm standing and what the problem is with making this company move forward. Maybe someone is I wish I knew, but this is the way I see it right now from the info that is available to me.



 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Just in case anyone missed it, I started a thread in off-topic for our favorite poster on the CSHD thread. Feel free to add your comments!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I don't get it how it has to be so difficult to prove this bond stuff and why the issuer or anyone else would have to be so uncooperative as to allow this to drag on and on without a solution.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Seems like a waist of time. I already heard enough about him already.


quote:
Originally posted by cassity:
Just in case anyone missed it, I started a thread in off-topic for our favorite poster on the CSHD thread. Feel free to add your comments!


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It looks like this thread has almost been abandoned. Not many here today.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I am watching paint dry from a distance 6. This stock has been very addicting!

I think I did happen to see a tumbleweed blow by the door to my office. I think everyone here at work is in holiday mode already.
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
I've been lurking, just nothing to comment on. Still long and holding my Cert, also waiting for news on the SHM... I'll be there if they hold it as planned...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
frank, have a rum ball for me.
I just called the conversion solutions contact # from the CVSU.US website and a lady with a very agitated demeanor answered the phone. There was loud music in the background so she was almost yelling.
Through a process of questions and answers I was told by her that Conversion is in the process of moving into the building where Ecowood, MA's outfit is located. Supposed to be within a week. She stated that there are several businesses located in that building, so it sounds like Conversion and Ecowood would be 2 of them. Maybe all of them. She was a hard case to keep asking stuff.

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
I am watching paint dry from a distance 6. This stock has been very addicting!

I think I did happen to see a tumbleweed blow by the door to my office. I think everyone here at work is in holiday mode already.


 
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
 
I do like the sound of that, that Conversion Solutions will be working "more closely" with MA and Ecowood.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya, me 2, i'll take anything I can get right now, since i did'nt like the idea of taking more money than I did on our monster run. Sounds like they are still a go with that scenario.

quote:
Originally posted by StockterDoLittle:
I do like the sound of that, that Conversion Solutions will be working "more closely" with MA and Ecowood.


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
frank, have a rum ball for me.
I just called the conversion solutions contact # from the CVSU.US website and a lady with a very agitated demeanor answered the phone. There was loud music in the background so she was almost yelling.
Through a process of questions and answers I was told by her that Conversion is in the process of moving into the building where Ecowood, MA's outfit is located. Supposed to be within a week. She stated that there are several businesses located in that building, so it sounds like Conversion and Ecowood would be 2 of them. Maybe all of them. She was a hard case to keep asking stuff.

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
I am watching paint dry from a distance 6. This stock has been very addicting!

I think I did happen to see a tumbleweed blow by the door to my office. I think everyone here at work is in holiday mode already.


Awesome job 6!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Cass- I visited your thread - FUNNY...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
So does a company that is going to be "taken over" by the SEC go and get new office space?

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
frank, have a rum ball for me.
I just called the conversion solutions contact # from the CVSU.US website and a lady with a very agitated demeanor answered the phone. There was loud music in the background so she was almost yelling.
Through a process of questions and answers I was told by her that Conversion is in the process of moving into the building where Ecowood, MA's outfit is located. Supposed to be within a week. She stated that there are several businesses located in that building, so it sounds like Conversion and Ecowood would be 2 of them. Maybe all of them. She was a hard case to keep asking stuff.

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
I am watching paint dry from a distance 6. This stock has been very addicting!

I think I did happen to see a tumbleweed blow by the door to my office. I think everyone here at work is in holiday mode already.


Awesome job 6!!

 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
No 10, I would say that is a good sign!!!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Great job 6.

I had a thought. Rufus said that the SEC told him they would rule fraud even if he pulled money on the bond. My thought is that they SEC would still rule fraud, because they are now focused on how much of the bond we own. Pulling money on the bond might not prove total ownership. That's why someone said if we sold it, the SEC would believe what we (had) owned. I know Mike made it sound like there would be installment payments when the bond was drawn on.

So where would this leave us? Between a rock and a government agency?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
No 10, I would say that is a good sign!!!

If what the "lady" said is true, wouldn't it have been nice to hear that without having to call in?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
That's what I am saying...they wouldn't bother moving if they thought all was lost...IMO

and yes Momma...A pr saying this would have been good...but they did already use the new address in past PR's...

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
No 10, I would say that is a good sign!!!


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I would'nt think so. All I can do is hope for the best right now. It gives the impression that they need an office for sure.
I wonder why it would be so hard to PR something about this. It's better than absolute silence.


quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
So does a company that is going to be "taken over" by the SEC go and get new office space?

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
frank, have a rum ball for me.
I just called the conversion solutions contact # from the CVSU.US website and a lady with a very agitated demeanor answered the phone. There was loud music in the background so she was almost yelling.
Through a process of questions and answers I was told by her that Conversion is in the process of moving into the building where Ecowood, MA's outfit is located. Supposed to be within a week. She stated that there are several businesses located in that building, so it sounds like Conversion and Ecowood would be 2 of them. Maybe all of them. She was a hard case to keep asking stuff.

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
I am watching paint dry from a distance 6. This stock has been very addicting!

I think I did happen to see a tumbleweed blow by the door to my office. I think everyone here at work is in holiday mode already.


Awesome job 6!!


 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Yeah, seeing the new office...maybe some pics on the website would be nice...kinda like...hey looky this is where we're slaving away for you now...
 
Posted by portman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Port?
How can we contact you? Your box has been full for days..and you said the other day that you do not really read the thread alot any more...
How would one get a question/concern to the SHC?

My box is full? I did not know...Which one? Allstocks?

Been going crazy end of year is a busy time for me. Add the CSHD stuff and it is even busier.

There is work being done. Putting out information half completed is only going to add to the confusion. But do expect us to add to the SHC website as soon as we can.
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
I agree Ocqueoc. Isn't moving to a new office a good subject for a PR? Let's go CSHD, start writing.
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Also... to add onto the SEC telling Rufus that they will still charge "rule??" him with fraud makes total sense in my eyes. They are trying to win there case, of course I could see them telling Rufus that they would charge him with fraud if he did or didn't draw on the bonds. They push there weight around with threats. That is how they get people to agree to plea deals in the first place.

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Great job 6.

I had a thought. Rufus said that the SEC told him they would rule fraud even if he pulled money on the bond. My thought is that they SEC would still rule fraud, because they are now focused on how much of the bond we own. Pulling money on the bond might not prove total ownership. That's why someone said if we sold it, the SEC would believe what we (had) owned. I know Mike made it sound like there would be installment payments when the bond was drawn on.

So where would this leave us? Between a rock and a government agency?


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
A given perhaps, because of the address on the website.
Is it impossible to get an MM for this and quit treating it like a lost cause just because the SEC is stirring up trouble. Alana Black made the nightmare remark to me yesterday that these federal cases can go on for a long time. I hope theres a way to shorten it. In the mean time i'd rather limp along and move ahead with a regular market status, having MMs and a bid and ask and stuff.
 
Posted by ajman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
No 10, I would say that is a good sign!!!

If what the "lady" said is true, wouldn't it have been nice to hear that without having to call in?
This is what I mean, a PR stating that the office has moved to this location would do wonders for the moral of the shareholders. It should not be so difficult for them to understand that we would just like to have some updates so that we know we are not exactly at a standstill. GOOD JOB
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
morale.....sorry [Smile]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
BTW, you are welcome everybody!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I don't know Doni...both Moral and Morale might work there... [Wink]
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
morale.....sorry [Smile]


 
Posted by ajman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
morale.....sorry [Smile]

thanks, next time I'll proofread before I post, seem to have plenty of time to do that right now actually.......... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
You had said a few days ago to send questions to your PM box..(allstocks)
perhaps the shareholders could get an address to where to send questions...


But this is what I was trying to send you...
I am not asking for a PM back...but I have a few questions that maybe you could somehow get answered by the company and put out to all that need to hear.

1)I am confused as to what happened with the default entry, It appears that it was withdrawn?
Was the TRO and the other order that Mike and Rufus signed sufficient?
2) Rumor that the lawyer that was hired was NOT for the SEC investigation but dealings with Rufus?
3) The 6:1? the timing that those would be recieved AND? how were they "gotten"? Are they to be a divvy type thing or are they an actual threshold price reset.
4) Is the shareholder meeting in December still a go?
5)Is there a time frame involved for the audited financials so that an MM can be brought on board?
6)Are you completely stressed out and is this really worth the headache? lol..j/k
[Wink]

Hope all is well...

quote:
Originally posted by portman:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Port?
How can we contact you? Your box has been full for days..and you said the other day that you do not really read the thread alot any more...
How would one get a question/concern to the SHC?

My box is full? I did not know...Which one? Allstocks?

Been going crazy end of year is a busy time for me. Add the CSHD stuff and it is even busier.

There is work being done. Putting out information half completed is only going to add to the confusion. But do expect us to add to the SHC website as soon as we can.


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
10 is it you that keeps posting that JA missed the Dec. 7th business of notifying the shareholders that the meeting was called off or what ever.
The reason i'm asking is because the only date that I have seen for a meeting is DEC. 17th, so someone has there dates off on that subject. It's getting close to for whatever importance it has.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Oh no it's Taxback that keeps saying that. Sorry 10.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
No not me...but I do think there is suppose to be a "deadline" for info...AND? this meeting was requested by Rufus...So there may not even be one...I don't know...

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
10 is it you that keeps posting that JA missed the Dec. 7th business of notifying the shareholders that the meeting was called off or what ever.
The reason i'm asking is because the only date that I have seen for a meeting is DEC. 17th, so someone has there dates off on that subject. It's getting close to for whatever importance it has.


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
No 6 it is me that keeps bringing up the 7th, and no my dates are not off. Any shareholder meeting, must be planned in a way that ALL shareholders can participate. Meeting notification, proxy ballot for all voted issues, and a copy of the latest prospectus must be mailed to each and every known shareholder ten (10) days prior to the planned shareholder meeting.

Dec 17 minus 10 days is Dec 7th. Not doing so just may lend to the SEC case, by violating the injunction.
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
Hate to play devils advocate

Could it be the money is not available to them to put out a pr.John Arlitt might have to take it out of his own pocket.It does't seem like it would cost alot but I see it cost anywhere from 1,000 to 10,000 a month for a pr firm maybe the diference in price is the amount of pr's you put out.

Just giving them the benefit of the dought
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Here's what I was refering to. What is the signifigance of Dec. 7th?
The meeting everybody is thinking about is Dec 17th. Thats awfully close to Christmas for last minute shoppers and people on budgets to be flying to DC, but there is the teleconference part. I wonder if this will be addressed again.
One thing that would be good for our major shareholders to remember is what we have invested here may be as much as they do, it's relevant to what is how much for each invester.


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Tex ~ What I am worried about... AND what we all should be worried about! Is that the CURRENT CEO did not officially cancel the Shareholders meeting by December 7th.

I am not positive and will have to look a bit deeper, but I think by not canceling the meeting, and by not getting Proxy votes and prospectus for that meeting into the hands of each and every shareholder prior to 10 days before that meeting. Even Rufas in his drunken state on SPR knew about this rule/issue and warned John and Co. about letting this date slip.

Did the new CEO just violate a SEC rule, and there by violate the injunction? [Frown]

"Special" meetings, "Emergency" meetings, and especially Shareholder meetings are regulated.


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Tax, thanks for the update. Just a little extra stuff to keep the adrenilin going hey guys?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
10 I like your list. I hope JA and co are getting a lot accomplished to tell us about this stuff.
I'm glad we have'nt heard any other charges recently by the SEC.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
FWIW I heard Rufus say Dec 7th on SPR in regards to John's definitive proxy statement deadline. I understood it to be 10 days notification also. But...

Talking to the person in my company that arranges the Annual Shareholders meeting, they said that they thought it was a 45 day deadline for the prior notification. From the SEC so far I have only found references to 45 days so far.

If anyone finds a ten day rule or other wise please post the link. I am going to continue to look.

the person I spoke with in my office said they would also like to know if it is ONLY 10 days. [Smile]

Thanks,
TB
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I don't think the Share meeting will be a big thing. I expect a PR announcing that it has been rescheduled. I've seen other companies do the same thing. I really don't see anything happening here until after the New Year.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
WHAT I THINK PEOPLE WITH BIGGER STAKES THAN ME SHOULD BE DOING NOW IS GETTING IN TOUCH WITH THE COMPANY...THERE ARE OVER 800 SHARE HOLDERS SOME WITH LARGE STEAKS, PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE ACTION AND MAKE THE COMPANY TALK. EITHER PR SOMETHING ON THE 17TH OR HAVE THE FRIGGIN MEETING. POS
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
WHAT I THINK PEOPLE WITH BIGGER STAKES THAN ME SHOULD BE DOING NOW IS GETTING IN TOUCH WITH THE COMPANY...THERE ARE OVER 800 SHARE HOLDERS SOME WITH LARGE STEAKS, PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE ACTION AND MAKE THE COMPANY TALK. EITHER PR SOMETHING ON THE 17TH OR HAVE THE FRIGGIN MEETING. POS

"LARGE STEAKS" LOL

T-BONE OR DELMONICO?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I think I found the 10 rule... Reg. §240.14a-6

but since Rufas did not file a 14a regarding the meeting, we may be all right.

Here is a PDF with regards to the Regulation. Bottom of pg.9 "Filing Requirements".

http://www.sec.gov/about/forms/reg14a.pdf


And here is an example of a 14a

http://apps.shareholder.com/sec/viewerContent.aspx?companyid=FISV&docid=4337558

anyway FWIW GLTA... [Smile]
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
OT: I couldn’t help sending this to a few of my Indian friends - LOL

“Condoms 'too big' for Indian men” [Eek!]

By Damian Grammaticus
BBC News, Delhi
Friday, 8 December 2006

The study found that more than half of the men measured had *****es that were shorter than international standards for condoms.

It has led to a call for condoms of mixed sizes to be made more widely available in India.

The two-year study was carried out by the Indian Council of Medical Research.

Representative

Over 1,200 volunteers from the length and breadth of the country had their *****es measured precisely, down to the last millimetre.

The scientists even checked their sample was representative of India as a whole in terms of class, religion and urban and rural dwellers.


The problem affects HIV prevention

The conclusion of all this scientific endeavour is that about 60% of Indian men have *****es which are between three and five centimetres shorter than international standards used in condom manufacture.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
"just got off the phone with the treasurer of Holly Springs Baptist Church
Franklin, North Carolina. They have never owned , sold or held any stock in any company. Real nice man, seems to be a good church."

this is odd from hsm. weren't they on the original NOBO list posted on the cvsu.us website?

66, did Bo's information help you at all, regarding the church?
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
sure did ocqueocc. cleared it up nicely. thanks.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
sure did ocqueocc. cleared it up nicely. thanks.

Good,but I believe credit s\b given to BO, I'm just a lurker haha and to some {stock momma} lol
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by 66inxs:
"just got off the phone with the treasurer of Holly Springs Baptist Church
Franklin, North Carolina. They have never owned , sold or held any stock in any company. Real nice man, seems to be a good church."

this is odd from hsm. weren't they on the original NOBO list posted on the cvsu.us website?

66, did Bo's information help you at all, regarding the church?

I hope so because after I posted my last post I read it and it dawned on me you probably don't a pr firm to put out a press release pretty dumb but I still wonder how much it cost maybe they are saving up and are going to give us all the good news at once.I guess I'm just being hopefull trying to figure out why they wouldn't let us know whats going on.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
trade, I would think that the guys with the thick filets would want to get news when they can. We should all have equal access to news.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I feel like we all could use whatever assurance we could get at this time. We all made a sacrifice to hold shares when we could have made good profits instead. We were'nt supposed to get hit by the SEC and trade on the greys for 2 months.
Some kind of solid evidnce that this is gonna hold together would be fantastic.
Harris and these other guys on the CEO picture sure know how to shake a guy. Man Rufus has got weird.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Did someone give Rufus an offer that he could'nt resist? A horse head in bed a fish wrapped in wax paper? Bundles of cash? [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Anybody have John Arlitt's phone number?
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
In my opinion, we should not expect a PR blitz like John Arlitt did before he retained legal counsel and a PR firm; nor should you read into that as being bad. However, we should take comfort in witnessing the time required for a responsible, publicly traded company to work with its legal counsel and PR firm to develop the appropriate, timely release of information.

Consider the following process flow to get a better understanding of what is involved:

[*] CSHD or PR Firm develops the content and sends it to the Law Firm
[*] Law Firm reviews content, and sends it back to CSHD
[*] If CSHD makes changes, it will go back to Law Firm for review, if not, then its sent to PR Firm
[*] PR Firm verifies content and makes changes if necessary
[*] If PR Firm made changes, CSHD sends content to Law Firm for review
[*] Law Firm reviews content and sends back to CSHD
[*] If CSHD approves of all changes after Legal Firm review, then the approved PR is sent to PR Firm
[*] PR Firm, with final approval from CSHD, distributes the press release to the newswires
[*] Giddy shareholders read the press release and sleep well or blow their brains out [Eek!]

When the information to be disseminated is NOT timely (e.g. in relation to an SEC filing), then you can expect it to take a long while. In my opinion, I do not see any news “required” so I am not expecting any.
 
Posted by aka the law on :
 
Alright guys I haven't been in this stock since I sold at $3.90. Just bought back in, can someone fill me in on the latest news. I've been watching for a few weeks now, and its seems that .15 is the lowest mark so far. I also looked at the Tech. Analysis and saw we have support at .13 and res. at .23. Hope there are good things to come.
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
In my opinion, we should not expect a PR blitz like John Arlitt did before he retained legal counsel and a PR firm; nor should you read into that as being bad. However, we should take comfort in witnessing the time required for a responsible, publicly traded company to work with its legal counsel and PR firm to develop the appropriate, timely release of information.

Consider the following process flow to get a better understanding of what is involved:

[*] CSHD or PR Firm develops the content and sends it to the Law Firm
[*] Law Firm reviews content, and sends it back to CSHD
[*] If CSHD makes changes, it will go back to Law Firm for review, if not, then its sent to PR Firm
[*] PR Firm verifies content and makes changes if necessary
[*] If PR Firm made changes, CSHD sends content to Law Firm for review
[*] Law Firm reviews content and sends back to CSHD
[*] If CSHD approves of all changes after Legal Firm review, then the approved PR is sent to PR Firm
[*] PR Firm, with final approval from CSHD, distributes the press release to the newswires
[*] Giddy shareholders read the press release and sleep well or blow their brains out [Eek!]

When the information to be disseminated is NOT timely (e.g. in relation to an SEC filing), then you can expect it to take a long while. In my opinion, I do not see any news “required” so I am not expecting any.

Makes sense to me
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Weird that number on the CVSU website rolls to an answering machine that sounds like someones home message.

"We cannot get to the phone right now" (womans voice).

They are moving to the Lake Dallas office- I hope it doesn't look as empty anymore as it did the last time someone drove by with camera...

I posted pics of the location here a day or two ago. The person that recon'd those pictures is going to make another trip by since it was several months ago.

We shall see.......


-fw
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
To me, if nothing else the move to Lake Dallas signals that Mike Alexander is going to be heavily in the picture - the link between CSHD and Ecowood and those millions of carbon credits at least.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Weird that number on the CVSU website rolls to an answering machine that sounds like someones home message.

"We cannot get to the phone right now" (womans voice).

They are moving to the Lake Dallas office- I hope it doesn't look as empty anymore as it did the last time someone drove by with camera...

I posted pics of the location here a day or two ago. The person that recon'd those pictures is going to make another trip by since it was several months ago.

We shall see.......


-fw

Nothings weird about this, we all know its a scam and will never recover!!!
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Weird that number on the CVSU website rolls to an answering machine that sounds like someones home message.

"We cannot get to the phone right now" (womans voice).

They are moving to the Lake Dallas office- I hope it doesn't look as empty anymore as it did the last time someone drove by with camera...

I posted pics of the location here a day or two ago. The person that recon'd those pictures is going to make another trip by since it was several months ago.

We shall see.......


-fw

Nothings weird about this, we all know its a scam and will never recover!!!
We all? You must have a mouse in your pocket
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
frank that sounds good. Maybe they should stop and say hi or something if somebody is there. I know I would under the circumstance and i'd be asking questions.

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Weird that number on the CVSU website rolls to an answering machine that sounds like someones home message.

"We cannot get to the phone right now" (womans voice).

They are moving to the Lake Dallas office- I hope it doesn't look as empty anymore as it did the last time someone drove by with camera...

I posted pics of the location here a day or two ago. The person that recon'd those pictures is going to make another trip by since it was several months ago.

We shall see.......


-fw


 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Have a good weekend everyone!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I only live 30-35 miles from Lake Dallas. Even though I'm not a "true believer", I'd be more than willing to visit the site, and send pics of the place to you guys if you needed it.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
kevin that's positive. why don't you if you have time and we'll upload them to a server for all to see. akso check to see if there are any deer blinds nearby he he.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Here are some pics taken of the 507 address in Lake Dallas.

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/dallas-HSF/

They are taking a little while ago so I hope you find more activity than the last time it was recon'd.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
BUMP FOR PORTMAN
Kevin...what a nice gesture...
(Must be the Season.. [Big Grin] )
Have a good weekend all...


quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
You had said a few days ago to send questions to your PM box..(allstocks)
perhaps the shareholders could get an address to where to send questions...


But this is what I was trying to send you...
I am not asking for a PM back...but I have a few questions that maybe you could somehow get answered by the company and put out to all that need to hear.

1)I am confused as to what happened with the default entry, It appears that it was withdrawn?
Was the TRO and the other order that Mike and Rufus signed sufficient?
2) Rumor that the lawyer that was hired was NOT for the SEC investigation but dealings with Rufus?
3) The 6:1? the timing that those would be recieved AND? how were they "gotten"? Are they to be a divvy type thing or are they an actual threshold price reset.
4) Is the shareholder meeting in December still a go?
5)Is there a time frame involved for the audited financials so that an MM can be brought on board?
6)Are you completely stressed out and is this really worth the headache? lol..j/k
[Wink]

Hope all is well...

quote:
Originally posted by portman:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Port?
How can we contact you? Your box has been full for days..and you said the other day that you do not really read the thread alot any more...
How would one get a question/concern to the SHC?

My box is full? I did not know...Which one? Allstocks?

Been going crazy end of year is a busy time for me. Add the CSHD stuff and it is even busier.

There is work being done. Putting out information half completed is only going to add to the confusion. But do expect us to add to the SHC website as soon as we can.



 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
CSHD had a drunken cowboy running the show for six weeks out of his house and sometimes out of the Equine Solutions horse stables.

John Arlitt took the helm in the middle of a crisis. I don’t care that he hasn’t had time to secure a palatial office fit for the Prince of Dubai. You can post a picture of a dumpster or a $500 million office complex - it won’t make a measurable difference. What matters is that John Arlitt is working on our behalf and has already demonstrated some success by retaining legal counsel, hiring a PR firm, working with the SEC, etc...


quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Here are some pics taken of the 507 address in Lake Dallas.

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/dallas-HSF/

They are taking a little while ago so I hope you find more activity than the last time it was recon'd.


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
TM-

That was taken back during the Ecowood days- when it was the trillion bazillion dollar whale.

I am digging and digging to form my opinion of that entire deal still. Thats just something that was looked at back when it was being looked into.

I agree that the fact that it was dead over there means nothing to me regarding holding my CSHD pile. Merely that I am still cautiously looking into the Ecowood side of the play.

Some folks have been laying claim that Ecowood is our key to sucess...
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I’m sitting here watching ABC news and they were discussing the Congressional Ethics Committee’s findings on the Mark Foley case. After 50 depositions the committee came to the laughable conclusion that those involved were “willfully ignorant”. Have you ever heard of such ridiculous phrase? Can you imagine getting pulled over by a cop for speeding and telling the officer, “Oh, no I wasn’t speeding, Sir, but I am guilty of being “willfully ignorant.” WTF! [Eek!]
 
Posted by portman on :
 
Folks...thank you for the questions and not killing me because some things are taking longer than we would all like.

We are working to get answers and we have asked some questions and will ask more.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
No 6 it is me that keeps bringing up the 7th, and no my dates are not off. Any shareholder meeting, must be planned in a way that ALL shareholders can participate. Meeting notification, proxy ballot for all voted issues, and a copy of the latest prospectus must be mailed to each and every known shareholder ten (10) days prior to the planned shareholder meeting.

Dec 17 minus 10 days is Dec 7th. Not doing so just may lend to the SEC case, by violating the injunction.

IMO, It would only be an infraction if the meeting takes place. the whole idea behind the rule is to make sure that all share holders have a chance to participate. If the meeting doesn't take place then, no harm no foul.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I live in DC so if anyone shows up for no reason at least we can all hit a nice place in the city [Wink]
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
frank021474 -

Did you read my PM?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
No 6 it is me that keeps bringing up the 7th, and no my dates are not off. Any shareholder meeting, must be planned in a way that ALL shareholders can participate. Meeting notification, proxy ballot for all voted issues, and a copy of the latest prospectus must be mailed to each and every known shareholder ten (10) days prior to the planned shareholder meeting.

Dec 17 minus 10 days is Dec 7th. Not doing so just may lend to the SEC case, by violating the injunction.

IMO, It would only be an infraction if the meeting takes place. the whole idea behind the rule is to make sure that all share holders have a chance to participate. If the meeting doesn't take place then, no harm no foul.

GLTA
Wally

Plus, that was only from Simon's show, right? No PRs, no filing?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
PM TexasM
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Tex, pr. released on nov.17th is where this is stated.
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
thanks for the pix frank. did anybody look to see if there was anything inside? or a sign in the door? or a smoking bbq pit? or anything at all?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Tex, pr. released on nov.17th is where this is stated.

ahh, thanks...well a bit more an issue then, but still Wally has a good take: No one's excluded from a meeting that doesn't happen.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
TexM- PM
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
If you plug the address into mapquest and look at the aerial view...it looks like a dump. Sort of looks like the kind of place you buy animal feed from. Not real happy about that. Not going to read anything into it though. I'm sure it is temporary until they figure out what the future holds. I'm sure they will get a legitimate office building lease somewhere.


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I only live 30-35 miles from Lake Dallas. Even though I'm not a "true believer", I'd be more than willing to visit the site, and send pics of the place to you guys if you needed it.


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
One thing you have to understand about that part of the metroplex. Lake Dallas is a "Lake" town. Lots of outdoors types live there...not corporate types. Campers, fisherman, boaters, water-skiers, etc. High School football is still a big deal. There are some really, really nice neighborhoods going up, but the business climate is still lagging.

These are the Ecowood offices if I am not mistaken. Again, don't read anything into this...actually, it would be good if the Ecowood people became very comfortable and friendly with the CSHD people...right?!?!

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Here are some pics taken of the 507 address in Lake Dallas.

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q80/dallas-HSF/

They are taking a little while ago so I hope you find more activity than the last time it was recon'd.


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
If you plug the address into mapquest and look at the aerial view...it looks like a dump. Sort of looks like the kind of place you buy animal feed from. Not real happy about that. Not going to read anything into it though. I'm sure it is temporary until they figure out what the future holds. I'm sure they will get a legitimate office building lease somewhere.


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I only live 30-35 miles from Lake Dallas. Even though I'm not a "true believer", I'd be more than willing to visit the site, and send pics of the place to you guys if you needed it.


well, it's not really a huge step down, right?

Wasn't the Harris-regime-era company more or less run from his horse barn?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
The building looks half way decent from ground level, like Tex said a step up from a barn. If Conversion could hand some business millions of dollars in order to succeed they probably would'nt care what the building looks like much anyway.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
LOL- Nothing interesting or new....but I did find this very funny! [Razz]

http://www.h**stockmarket.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1012935&postcount=10388

Replace the ** with ot:
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
LOL- Nothing interesting or new....but I did find this very funny! [Razz]

http://www.h**stockmarket.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1012935&postcount=10388

Replace the ** with ot:

[Eek!] LOL, LMAO [Big Grin]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
They had an off topic evening I see on HSM. Just browsing this morning before I start on the errands.

This had my sides splitting-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjgTNPCj1nQ
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
They had an off topic evening I see on HSM. Just browsing this morning before I start on the errands.

This had my sides splitting-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjgTNPCj1nQ

"My **** is going public, i suggest you buy the stock"

LOL!!
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
A word to the wise:

> CHINESE PROVERBS
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> Panties not best thing on earth! But next to best thing on earth.
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Posted by bethbeth1 on :
 
Helllo Everyone,

I'd like to ask all the "longs" of CSHD a question. Granting that everything which has happened to this company were to happen again if you were able to go back in time. For the exception of buying more shares how would you have changed the long-term choice of staying in this stock with all that has happened to this company as of the past month?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
"you don't get do-overs"

GW Bush in his first press conference after the GOP lost control of the House and Senate in the mid-term elections of '06....
 
Posted by bethbeth1 on :
 
Glassman thank you for the responce.

I am very aware that in life we don't have do-overs. What I fail to understand is as follows. Why is it so many people here failed to listen to the warnings of so many other media outlets of CSHD. They were deemed as bashers, but turned out to be correct at the end.

I've seen many messages posted, by memebers here saying saying "Why should we listen to you when you havent provided DD" Turns out that some of the KEY DD was false which was told to the CSHD cult times after times before the SEC halted trading.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
You're not going to get anyone to admit anything, Beth. They've all pretty much decided to "go down with the ship."
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
gee KB... your above it all attitude is so appealing, i'll follow whatever you pick and do whatever you say LOL..
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Glass-

Wasn't being "above-it-all", I was being realistic. The people who are the true-believers in this stock have determined that they're going down with the ship. And as for you following my stock picks, why the hell would I care what you choose to do with your money?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Glass-

Wasn't being "above-it-all", I was being realistic. The people who are the true-believers in this stock have determined that they're going down with the ship. And as for you following my stock picks, why the hell would I care what you choose to do with your money?

LOL.... i thought you said you are smarter than everybody else here... i musta misunderguestimated you

nope, i definitely did read that... the mistake wasn't mine..
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Glass-

Wasn't being "above-it-all", I was being realistic. The people who are the true-believers in this stock have determined that they're going down with the ship. And as for you following my stock picks, why the hell would I care what you choose to do with your money?

LOL.... i thought you said you are smarter than everybody else here... i musta misunderguestimated you

nope, i definitely did read that... the mistake wasn't mine..

Never said I was smarter than everyone else. Just you.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
And BTW, what does the fact that I'm smarter than you have to do with whether I want you following my stock picks or not? And what place does your personal vendetta against me have in this discussion about why Beth was flailing at windmills with her previous line of questioning?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
LOL... i seem to remeber my kids acted like this when they were in pre-school...

i am just giving you honest feed-back KB...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Right. The old tried-and-true "you're acting like a preschooler" ad hominem. I stated my honest opinion on what Beth had to say, and you opened fire. I think it's pretty clear who's behaving in an immature manner.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
(BTW, there's nothing funnier than a mental midget moderator starting a fight with one of the regular users. Reflects very well on AS, I must say.)
 
Posted by bethbeth1 on :
 
KB I wouldn't say they are going down with the ship. I would just say a Mactruck pulled into there house and loaded a ton of worthless shares apon them. I feel bad for many of you who have lost on this stock. I honestly hope the future will be better then your post, but I don't see that taking place. KB when you plays are you calling plays you have loaded months in advance or are you calling plays you have paid to call?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
(Also BTW, I have some screens to run, so I'm leaving now. I'm sure you'll take my silence as some kind of "victory" for you, as is typical of the less mentally astute participants in a discussion. That's fine. If it makes you feel better, feel free to think you won.)
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
And BTW, what does the fact that I'm smarter than you have to do with whether I want you following my stock picks or not? And what place does your personal vendetta against me have in this discussion about why Beth was flailing at windmills with her previous line of questioning?

Kevin? are you OK?
i have no personal vendetta: you do...
you are the one posting here and insulting people.... they tell you that you are doing it and you deny it... that is very immature behaviour... at least admit that you derive some pleasure from behaving this way.. or add some humor or something worthwhile...

your insults might make a kindergartner upset... a
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
KB I wouldn't say they are going down with the ship. I would just say a Mactruck pulled into there house and loaded a ton of worthless shares apon them. I feel bad for many of you who have lost on this stock. I honestly hope the future will be better then your post, but I don't see that taking place. KB when you plays are you calling plays you have loaded months in advance or are you calling plays you have paid to call?

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking me. "When you plays are you calling plays you have loaded months in advance or are you calling plays you have paid to call?" As I said, not sure what that means, but any stock I bring in as a "pick" is a stock that I have put my own money where my "mouth" (keyboard) is. Now I'm out for awhile. Hope that answered your question.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
And BTW, what does the fact that I'm smarter than you have to do with whether I want you following my stock picks or not? And what place does your personal vendetta against me have in this discussion about why Beth was flailing at windmills with her previous line of questioning?

Kevin? are you OK?
i have no persoanl vendetta: you do...
you are the one posting here and insulting people.... they tell you that you are doing it and you deny it... that is very immature behaviour... at least admit that you derive some pleasure from behaving this way.. or add some humor or something worthwhile

I insulted no one. I simply stated that those who are holding this stock have basically determined that they're "going down with the ship." How is that a personal insult? Now YOU, I insult, because you are always looking to start fights.

Now goodbye.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
actually beth? KB seems to post honest picks as far as i can tell... he just doesn't have any sense of how he sounds to other people...

that's not unusual in people with higher than average intelligence...
 
Posted by bethbeth1 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
KB I wouldn't say they are going down with the ship. I would just say a Mactruck pulled into there house and loaded a ton of worthless shares apon them. I feel bad for many of you who have lost on this stock. I honestly hope the future will be better then your post, but I don't see that taking place. KB when you plays are you calling plays you have loaded months in advance or are you calling plays you have paid to call?

I'm not sure exactly what you're asking me. "When you plays are you calling plays you have loaded months in advance or are you calling plays you have paid to call?" As I said, not sure what that means, but any stock I bring in as a "pick" is a stock that I have put my own money where my "mouth" (keyboard) is. Now I'm out for awhile. Hope that answered your question.
What I don't understand is how could you be making money trading and posting at the sametime. Many of the people who log into forums like these have the intent to just Pump there stock. Are you telling everyone you are a Pumper? A Pumper who has loaded his "Picks" Months in advance and looking to sell to any noob who doesn't have the knowledge to know not to trust anyone on a stock forum?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You're not going to get anyone to admit anything, Beth. They've all pretty much decided to "go down with the ship."

You're not going to get anyone to admit anything,


LOL KB... you aren't very honest with yourself... this is insulting to many of us that not as bright as you are... [Razz]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Not at all. I make position trades, lasting 5-20 days. I don't post a whole lot during the day, but the positions I take don't require a lot of monitoring. I've never been paid for a pick, and I don't make picks trying to cause a run, but rather because I see a run coming. Now, I really HAVE to get some research done. GL, Beth.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
GL Beth.... he's not pumping, he doesn't even trade, he only posts his picks to prove he's smarter than the rest of us...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You're not going to get anyone to admit anything, Beth. They've all pretty much decided to "go down with the ship."

You're not going to get anyone to admit anything,


LOL KB... you aren't very honest with yourself... this is insulting to many of us that not as bright as you are... [Razz]

Wow, I'm a real jerk. I said, "You're not going to get anyone to admit anything." What a horrendous personal attack! How could I be so cruel?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
GL Beth.... he's not pumping, he doesn't even trade, he only posts his picks to prove he's smarter than the rest of us...

Yeah, you figured me out, Glass... [Roll Eyes]

Beth, I post my picks because I think that I'm right about the pick. No more and no less.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
How could I be so cruel?

that's what i was wondering too... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
BTW, I trade both my money and OPM as well, Glass. Do you have anyone trusting YOU with their money?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
How could I be so cruel?

that's what i was wondering too... [Big Grin]

I see sarcasm eludes you...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
BTW, I trade both my money and OPM as well, Glass. Do you have anyone trusting YOU with their money?

yawn....
KB... i have turned away a lot of offers... you make some odd assumptions about me... i'm not in this to feed my ego.... i really have been trying to help you....

CYA...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Kb you might consider this a cult question, but where is your solid proof that this stock is done?
The last PR stated that a new 10ksb and 10qsb were going to be released as soon as possible. What says we'e done wer'e closing the doors, we don't have assets. there's no JVs to create. What are you reading. Where is your proof.
 
Posted by bethbeth1 on :
 
6digits this stock is done,because the mass public isn't going ot buy a Grey sheet stock. Not to mention because the SEC took there time to prove that this company is a fraud why would you risk putting your money back into it if you took profit or never took a position in the stock. This is exact thing that happened with CMKX,QBID, and many others. Rufus did a great job of pumping and dumping it. Now the investors pay.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Right. You have "turned a lot of offers"? I'm assuming you meant to say you've turned DOWN a lot of offers, which I'm not sure I believe. You made a comment that I don't even trade my own money, and that I only make picks to prove how smart I am. I pointed out that you were wrong. You then being to ramble about how you "turned a lot of offers", and that I "make some odd assumptions" about you, and how you're "not in this to feed" your ego, and how you're "trying to help" me. You seem to have forgotten to take some medication or something. I don't care WHY you're here. Also, I don't need--or want--your help, either with stocks or some perceived social deficiency you find in me. My portfolio is up 21% in the last five weeks, trading momentum plays, and I've had several dates, so I think in both areas I'm doing quite well. You should probably focus on your OWN portfolion (if you have one) and social life (ditto).
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Kb you might consider this a cult question, but where is your solid proof that this stock is done?
The last PR stated that a new 10ksb and 10qsb were going to be released as soon as possible. What says we'e done wer'e closing the doors, we don't have assets. there's no JVs to create. What are you reading. Where is your proof.

I've given my reasoning before in more detail, but I'll sum it up again here. The charts show a classic "pump-and-dump" pattern. The "management" of the "company" has a shady--at best--past, and has clearly done a VERY poor job with this company. These things combined lead me to say that this stock is done.
 
Posted by jmoestinks on :
 
Kevy! SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Your rambling again! Isn't mickey mouse and friends on or something. Or are you just bored because no ones entertaining your thread again? If you really are bored, do us all a favor and hop in your car, drive to lake dallas, and take some pics to see if they really are relocating their offices. Otherwise shut the he&& up!
 
Posted by jmoestinks on :
 
At least we know who Kevy's girlfriend is BethBeth.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
The SEC accused Conversion of fraud. They have'nt proved it yet. They have'nt showed where a pump and dump occurred either. Stocks can get off the grey market, the company did'nt even want to trade till the SEC thing was done. If there are assets to fund joint ventures and produce profits and share value then people are going to buy it. To me your full of empty cliches right now, of the same old unprovable basher type.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
No.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Kb you might consider this a cult question, but where is your solid proof that this stock is done?
The last PR stated that a new 10ksb and 10qsb were going to be released as soon as possible. What says we'e done wer'e closing the doors, we don't have assets. there's no JVs to create. What are you reading. Where is your proof.

I've given my reasoning before in more detail, but I'll sum it up again here. The charts show a classic "pump-and-dump" pattern. The "management" of the "company" has a shady--at best--past, and has clearly done a VERY poor job with this company. These things combined lead me to say that this stock is done.
oh well KB... the chart is nothing of the sort...

and that is why you should stop posting here.. cuz you are so wrong all the time...

the chart isn't even close to a pumpandump...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
Glassman thank you for the responce.

I am very aware that in life we don't have do-overs. What I fail to understand is as follows. Why is it so many people here failed to listen to the warnings of so many other media outlets of CSHD. They were deemed as bashers, but turned out to be correct at the end.

I've seen many messages posted, by memebers here saying saying "Why should we listen to you when you havent provided DD" Turns out that some of the KEY DD was false which was told to the CSHD cult times after times before the SEC halted trading.

Please provide the links that prove KEY DD, was false. Last I looked their had not been a determination of fraud by the court of the SEC. The SEC is alleging fraud, I'm not saying that ultimately it could prove true but as they say the jury is still out.

Secondly the stock is still trading albeit on the gray sheets but enforcement, if they had been able to prove their allegations would have already put the company in receivership.

If CSHD has no assests, how were they able to open a Euroclear account that requires $200 million in assests. There is a lot more here than any of us know. Would I recommend anyone to buy at this point? He77 no. There is still too much unknown and the ability to sell a position is not liquid.

If I had known that the SEC was going to step in and delist it would I have done anything different? Yes, I would have sold and waited for the dust to settle to reenter. Unfortunately very few are privy to SEC actions before they are taken.

The "CULT" as you call it are many people who believed that they had found a a stock that could change their lives. They had a dream and followed it. Some may have been more adamant than other's in defending their dream but that does not make them ignorant or clueless. There are many here on this thread that for quite sometime have stated that they had made money on this play and held shares to see what the final outcome would be.

Following this stock has been very educational in many respects. Through the DD done on this board we have learned quite a bit about the Euroclear system and the bond market. There is still much to be learned about both. We have also found that a group of individuals willing to share DD can accomplish much without verbal warfare. Go back to the old threads and you will find threads of discussion and DD where there were no personal attacks. It was all about the stock. That's what I enjoyed the most and hope that the same effort can be recreated in other stocks in the future.

I, for one will await the final outcome. The one where a court of law makes a determination of fact or the SEC shuts down the company or that the company shows proof that what they have claimed is real and that it can go forward.

As for Basher's, whether media or poster's, if they truly had the interest of the investor's in mind they would present the facts in a non confrontational manner. It's very diffcult to convince anyone they are wrong when you start out calling them ignorant dummies, stereotyping and grouping them as the "CULT" and protraying them as blind mindless drones. Could there have been another agenda? I will leave that up to the individual to decide. There are 2 sides to every story and usually the truth lies somewhere in between since bias always plays into it. I believe the truth here will also lie somewhere in between the claims of the company and the claims of the media and SEC.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
(The "no" was for JMS, BTW.)
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Kb you might consider this a cult question, but where is your solid proof that this stock is done?
The last PR stated that a new 10ksb and 10qsb were going to be released as soon as possible. What says we'e done wer'e closing the doors, we don't have assets. there's no JVs to create. What are you reading. Where is your proof.

I've given my reasoning before in more detail, but I'll sum it up again here. The charts show a classic "pump-and-dump" pattern. The "management" of the "company" has a shady--at best--past, and has clearly done a VERY poor job with this company. These things combined lead me to say that this stock is done.
oh well KB... the chart is nothing of the sort...

and that is why you should stop posting here.. cuz you are so wrong all the time...

the chart isn't even close to a pumpandump...

If you think that, then you've never seen a pump-and-dump chart.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Amazing- two pages of nothing. Thanks KB and Bethx2.

If it wasn't for you two I might have made a huge mistake. IN fact- I am going to dump my position in this stock.....rats- no trading today. Perhaps I will remember the good points you made on Monday morning.

Thanks for taking time out of your busy saturday to save us.

 -
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I haven't said that they were "ignorant" or "clueless." I've just said that no matter what is posted here, those who are still long in this stock are "true believers" and they won't be swayed, even if it means going down with the ship.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
You put too much weight in your words KB your head must be very inflated. You say it and we all jump is that how it works?


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I haven't said that they were "ignorant" or "clueless." I've just said that no matter what is posted here, those who are still long in this stock are "true believers" and they won't be swayed, even if it means going down with the ship.


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Wallymac well said, old boy.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
No KB the Debbie Downer is reserved for people that come in for some unknown reason and spend hours posting about a stock they don't want to be a part of.

I figured after your first 21908098 posts that you would move on and find something more constructive to do with your time but hey- its a free country I suppose.

Bethx2- You have a lot of catching up to do. I suppose if you post 8x per hour about how terrible of a decision it is to remain in this stock for the remainder of the weekend I will hold you in just as high a regard as KB.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I haven't said that they were "ignorant" or "clueless." I've just said that no matter what is posted here, those who are still long in this stock are "true believers" and they won't be swayed, even if it means going down with the ship.

by continuing to deny my assertion? you continue to do what i accuse you of.. d'oh?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
KB, are you the judge or the jury or both? Can you show me something besides your interpretation of a chart? This stock is barely trading right now, how can you tell anything?
Do yall have other documentation that you are holdin out on. Will it bother you so much if we do what we want to do and you do what you do? Should we join your cult if you hopefully prove yourself right?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:

If you think that, then you've never seen a pump-and-dump chart.


KB? this is getting silly now...
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Yes, you should be positive. Afterall look at all we got.

No money.
No office.
No company contact.
An indecision between hot potatoe and musical chairs with the CEO position.
Lots of talk and no action.


Now stop being so negative and look at all the positive things we got!

[Razz]

Being in denial about the current position of the company is no way to make money folks.

it sucks. plain and simple.

if it turns around, woohoo for us.

find something else to beat, this horse has been dead awhile.

get it.. horse.. stables.. dead.

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
But Rufus said the horses are'nt always sent to the glue factory.
Tim you always show up when Kevin is here.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
It's classic pump-and-dump, Glass. I've explained how before, and I'm not going to do it again.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I haven't said that they were "ignorant" or "clueless." I've just said that no matter what is posted here, those who are still long in this stock are "true believers" and they won't be swayed, even if it means going down with the ship.

by continuing to deny my assertion? you continue to do what i accuse you of.. d'oh?
Whatever, Glass. You know damn well that what I said does not equate to calling someone "ignorant" and "clueless."
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
It's classic pump-and-dump, Glass. I've explained how before, and I'm not going to do it again.

You promise?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
You put too much weight in your words KB your head must be very inflated. You say it and we all jump is that how it works?


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I haven't said that they were "ignorant" or "clueless." I've just said that no matter what is posted here, those who are still long in this stock are "true believers" and they won't be swayed, even if it means going down with the ship.


I was simply telling Beth that what she was trying to do was pointless. I haven't been trying to convince you all of anything for quite some time. Well, that is until someone ASKED ME SPECIFICALLY why I didn't believe this stock had a chance to come back. Then and only then did I offer my opinion on that. Before I was asked, all I was doing was telling Beth that she was wasting her time trying to convice you all, which is true.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
It's classic pump-and-dump, Glass. I've explained how before, and I'm not going to do it again.

You promise?
Yes. If you want to leave your money tied up in this stock, go for it.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I haven't said that they were "ignorant" or "clueless." I've just said that no matter what is posted here, those who are still long in this stock are "true believers" and they won't be swayed, even if it means going down with the ship.

This is the problem. I was not posting about you but yet since you believe the world revolves around you, you believed I meant you. As I stated before yyou were very late to the game and had no effect whatsoever on this stock. A johnny come lately jumping on the bandwagon.

I'm just hoping that you and Glass open a thread in the off topic section to continue your mental gymnastics and leave this thread alone.

No one here is pumping the stock or attempting to get anyone to invet in it. They are simply looking for news, discussing the situation and the prospects.

Both you and Beth have said this stock is dead. If that is the truth why continue posting? It seems very counter productive. Both of your I told you so's are on record. What else is there to say.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Thanks kb.... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Before Beth came on here, I had long since given up trying to convince you all to protect what's left of your capital. I've stated numerous times that I hope I'm wrong enough about the stock that it sees one more run where you all can get out with a gain, or at least at break even. I've even offered to visit the Lake Dallas site for you all, since I live pretty close to it. I want to see you all succeed. The fact that I don't think it's going to happen is irrelevant to that, as I had long since abandoned trying to convince people that the technicals seemed to indicate a pump-and-dump. I hope I'm wrong, and the offer to scout out the LD property still stands.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Kevin? Read your posts? how old are you? These comments are just kinda...well...perhaps you are right...maybe some of the posters on Allstocks do not reflect well...
What do ANY of these posts have to do with STOCKS? You complain of this thread being one of the most posted on...and yet the past few pages..and many others are your comments and replies to your comments...You are bordering on
ignorant, redundant,arrogant and hypocritical...perhaps you should refrain...Just a little? PLEASE...do not challenge my post saying to point it out...just read your own posts...I don't need to point out anything...and I AM not calling you any names...NOR attacking you...I said that you were bordering...NOT that you are...and i am simply asking that you READ what you are posting and the things that you complain about...really just trying to help you out here...OK?

Kevin Posts:
"Never said I was smarter than everyone else. Just you."
AND
"(BTW, there's nothing funnier than a mental midget moderator starting a fight with one of the regular users. Reflects very well on AS, I must say.)"
AND
"(Also BTW, I have some screens to run, so I'm leaving now. I'm sure you'll take my silence as some kind of "victory" for you, as is typical of the less mentally astute participants in a discussion. That's fine. If it makes you feel better, feel free to think you won.)"
Oh and this last one...
"Yes. If you want to leave your money tied up in this stock, go for it."

Really? Did ANYONE need your permission?

C'mon Kev...let's move along now...


[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
Glassman thank you for the responce.

I am very aware that in life we don't have do-overs. What I fail to understand is as follows. Why is it so many people here failed to listen to the warnings of so many other media outlets of CSHD. They were deemed as bashers, but turned out to be correct at the end.

I've seen many messages posted, by memebers here saying saying "Why should we listen to you when you havent provided DD" Turns out that some of the KEY DD was false which was told to the CSHD cult times after times before the SEC halted trading.

Yey!!!! New basher, somone else to pity us, question our DD, save us, poke fun at us, the list goes on !!!! [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

The question, yet again, is WHY, WHY, WHY????

Either here to gloat or bash, no inbetween!!!! [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] !!!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I had long since given up trying to convince you all to protect what's left of your capital.

Perhaps this is the part that is the most annoying. You speak about this as if folks on this board are selling organs to gather more "scratch" so we can get another fix of stock.

People holding this are probably in a position of comfort regardless of loss. Most have already pulled capital out. To some its play money.....some gamble online and others play penny stocks.

Don't assume.........
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Wally,

re: "Secondly the stock is still trading albeit on the gray sheets but enforcement, if they had been able to prove their allegations would have already put the company in receivership.

If CSHD has no assests, how were they able to open a Euroclear account that requires $200 million in assests."

receivership? This idea seems to pop up a bunch...have no idea why, though. The SEC has gotten what it initially wanted and is simply waiting on the judge to finalize the order. It is reasonnable to expect more, of course, but the SEC's thrust was to get RPH to stop talking about bonds they couldn't verify.

Euroclear? I *still* don't believe Euroclear admitted the company on any sort of member/participant basis. As someone mentioned to me elsewhere, the settlement functions of Euroclear are analagous to DTC: "regular companies" are not members of DTC. That makes sense to me--however, I *am* following up on this and will post what I find...
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
frank, i have not been the same since i sold a lung to buy more shares!!! [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
10-

Did you not notice that it was Glass who started the scrum after I simply made ONE POST to Beth regarding how it was a bit pointless to try to convince people who are long CSHD to not be long the stock?
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Bailey, do you have a life or do you just mock stocks you are not in?????? [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
How am I mocking this stock?!? I have offered to frickin' HELP you guys with your DD!!!!! I simply told Beth that coming in here trying to talk you guys out of your long positions in CSHD was pointless. How does that equate to "mocking"?!?!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Well, I have a prior social engagement, so I REALLY have to run this time. Good luck to all, even if you don't think I really mean it.
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
Gang, stop arguing, you're not convincing eachother very well. You are all Stubborn as a Mule! this Mule is dead. If you are vested here, then GL I hope you do well. If you are not, then get busy with what ever you do. I gotta little and thats it. If the horse is dead, maybe we should put them in touch with Eternal Imaging and they can order a Urn Logo Custom Design for it. Somebody might as well make some money on all of this. By the way, while I'm at it... The above arguments sound very similar to many other company stocks on Pinks/Greys, I mean almost identical to other posts on boards all over the internet. This waiting game applies to every stock on pink sheets, It's the big circle jerk. Long Vs. Flipper Vs MM Vs CEO game. After watching these patterns for a while now, I must say the MM game is getting old and I hope they get nailed and ran out of town with their business practices. they have a bad reputation and its growing daily. I got no feeling for ya if your an MM. Just a Boot! Talking about the need for REFORM! Where do I sign up for MM Reform.

What is it? oh... "You're Fired!"
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Kevin...
Does it matter? good lord I have 6 kids at home that sound just like what I am reading here...Just read the posts...it's all childish...PERIOD!
EVERYONE...NOSE IT! [Razz]
(that phrase means stand against the wall with only your nose touching and hands down at your sides)
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
10-

Did you not notice that it was Glass who started the scrum after I simply made ONE POST to Beth regarding how it was a bit pointless to try to convince people who are long CSHD to not be long the stock?


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Wally,

re: "Secondly the stock is still trading albeit on the gray sheets but enforcement, if they had been able to prove their allegations would have already put the company in receivership.

If CSHD has no assests, how were they able to open a Euroclear account that requires $200 million in assests."

receivership? This idea seems to pop up a bunch...have no idea why, though. The SEC has gotten what it initially wanted and is simply waiting on the judge to finalize the order. It is reasonnable to expect more, of course, but the SEC's thrust was to get RPH to stop talking about bonds they couldn't verify.

Euroclear? I *still* don't believe Euroclear admitted the company on any sort of member/participant basis. As someone mentioned to me elsewhere, the settlement functions of Euroclear are analagous to DTC: "regular companies" are not members of DTC. That makes sense to me--however, I *am* following up on this and will post what I find...

Tex,
CSHD is not being traded on the Euroclear system. Therefore what settlement functions could they be doing?

What I was alluding to, as far as the SEC, was the allegation of Fraud. If they had been able to prove fraud, would they not have shut down CSHD and put it in receivership. I also remember that the SEC was asking for disgorgement of illegal gains yet have heard nothing more on this front.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
How am I mocking this stock?!? I have offered to frickin' HELP you guys with your DD!!!!! I simply told Beth that coming in here trying to talk you guys out of your long positions in CSHD was pointless. How does that equate to "mocking"?!?!

How have u offered to help!!!!????????
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Beth, where are you??????????????????? [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
KB? you answered a question to other people as if you know their minds and motives...

fiurthermore? i can pull multiple quotes where you CLEARLY stated that you are smart and we are dumb so NEH [Razz]
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
I need you to answer a quesion for me!!!!???? [Eek!]
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Glass, did u delete some of my posts yesterday? [Frown]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
he offered to go take pix of the new offices...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Wally,

re: "Secondly the stock is still trading albeit on the gray sheets but enforcement, if they had been able to prove their allegations would have already put the company in receivership.

If CSHD has no assests, how were they able to open a Euroclear account that requires $200 million in assests."

receivership? This idea seems to pop up a bunch...have no idea why, though. The SEC has gotten what it initially wanted and is simply waiting on the judge to finalize the order. It is reasonnable to expect more, of course, but the SEC's thrust was to get RPH to stop talking about bonds they couldn't verify.

Euroclear? I *still* don't believe Euroclear admitted the company on any sort of member/participant basis. As someone mentioned to me elsewhere, the settlement functions of Euroclear are analagous to DTC: "regular companies" are not members of DTC. That makes sense to me--however, I *am* following up on this and will post what I find...

Tex,
CSHD is not being traded on the Euroclear system. Therefore what settlement functions could they be doing?

What I was alluding to, as far as the SEC, was the allegation of Fraud. If they had been able to prove fraud, would they not have shut down CSHD and put it in receivership. I also remember that the SEC was asking for disgorgement of illegal gains yet have heard nothing more on this front.

GLTA
Wally

Wally, from the "About" at euroclear.com portal:

"Euroclear is the world's premier settlement system for domestic and international securities transactions, covering bonds, equities and investment funds."

"If they had been able to prove fraud, would they not have shut down CSHD and put it in receivership."

No. For example, Enron still trades...

Ya, disgorgement is on the list, but proving where the assets are to enable disgorgement will likely be a long, long process. Some of that stuff they kinda have to ask for; an analogy is the language "Prayer for relief"--remember how some were making fun of that, even though it's standard legalese? Likewise, the stuff they ask for has legal implications, further down the road.

Much of this has to do with practices the SEC used to do and got slapped down for, for example, serial suspensions lasting months, even years...as a result the SEC is nowadays much more meticulous in dotting i's, crossing t's, etc. A clue to the serious problems they see here is their requesting--and getting--expedited discovery.
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Hey Glass your PM is full!

he offered to go take pix of the new offices...

I know Glass, but people here have seen them already, i think he was just trying to make out that they don't look very impressive!!!!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
For anyone who knows bonds-

If RPH is listed in the contracts as being the "Trust Manager" how does that affect the assets with or without him in the picture?

Is that transferable? Revocable?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Tex,

I understand that Euroclear does do settlement of securities but what settlement is neccessary if the securities are traded in the US and settled by the DTC.

Don't get me wrong. They are a lot of problems with this stock. I'm just stating that more is to be determined and seen. As far as we know, CSHD has agreed to and signed a document stating they will not break any SEC rules and are now working to resolve the matter with the SEC. Other than that everything is still in a very gray area, pun intended.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
For anyone who knows bonds-

If RPH is listed in the contracts as being the "Trust Manager" how does that affect the assets with or without him in the picture?

Is that transferable? Revocable?

I really don't know how it affects the bonds since I'm far from an expert on bonds. I stated before that I believed some legal action would be neccessary in order for John Arlitt to gain control of CSHD's assests. The more I think about the attorney's that were hired the more I am inclined to believe that they were hired for this reason and not to represent the company in court of with the SEC. Of course this is just my opinion.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Tex,

I understand that Euroclear does do settlement of securities but what settlement is neccessary if the securities are traded in the US and settled by the DTC.

Don't get me wrong. They are a lot of problems with this stock. I'm just stating that more is to be determined and seen. As far as we know, CSHD has agreed to and signed a document stating they will not break any SEC rules and are now working to resolve the matter with the SEC. Other than that everything is still in a very gray area, pun intended.

GLTA
Wally

I'm still boning up on Euroclear, Wally--my main point is I don't believe the company was ever granted any sort of member/participant status that would require $200m/strict scrutiny, etc... Those members/participants are heavy hitters, again, analagous to the DTCC nexus...

I understand there seems to be some sort of bonds listed in their system, but I haven't seen anything I'd call credible that verifies RPH's claims.

I even wonder which company's bylaws are in effect: Filings are still under "Furia," right?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
I even wonder which company's bylaws are in effect: Filings are still under "Furia," right?

yes. that is another issue that i have seen little discussion on...
the RM seems to be about half-done...

just like everything else in this play [Wink]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
What does it actually take to change the filings from Furia to Conversion Solutions? Would the SEC have any say so? Since so much else has been discussed at length, I'd like to go off on this tangent if for nothing more than to increase education of how it works.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
What does it actually take to change the filings from Furia to Conversion Solutions? Would the SEC have any say so? Since so much else has been discussed at length, I'd like to go off on this tangent if for nothing more than to increase education of how it works.

GLTA
Wally

As I recall, SEC involvement--in a *typical* rm--is pretty limited...hence the allure. That is, the normal reviews and initial stock registration are bypassed because the "shell" company has already completed that process. Once the rm is done, there's a time period for filing a new 8-K, with all pertinent details. Registered shares already trading simply keep trading...but any newly issued shares go through the registration process (SB1 or 2, I think...).

Now, in this case, I suspect *all* filings would have to be brought up to date, and *then* the S-4 would follow.

That's my "nutshell," off-the-cuff recollection...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i am not sure wally...

most of the sites i have read say simply
Prepare and File All Required Documents
or something similar...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
*furthermore*

an addendum...

wouldn't surprise me too much if the merger is called off, or at least postponed: Didn't the company release a filing under Alexander, in which he checkmarked the line about "no material difference in finances" during the past fiscal year? That sure rings a bell...if so, wouldn't that indicate "status ante," ie, FHAL simply had a name/ticker change?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Alexander also claimed ownership of shares to "retake" control the company that were supposedly returned to the treasury...

this search here provides hours and hours of "light reading" [Big Grin] ... (sheesh what a mess..)

type in FURIA.....

http://searchwww.sec.gov/EDGARFSClient/jsp/EDGAR_MainAccess.jsp#topAnchor
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
From what I can tell, Alexander has had the hammer, all along...

which makes me think that FHAL debt is *still* a problem...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i have always wondered about that debt...

i see nobody calling for it to be paid....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
be worth looking them up, eh?

the lendor(s), that is...
 
Posted by bethbeth1 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
Glassman thank you for the responce.

I am very aware that in life we don't have do-overs. What I fail to understand is as follows. Why is it so many people here failed to listen to the warnings of so many other media outlets of CSHD. They were deemed as bashers, but turned out to be correct at the end.

I've seen many messages posted, by memebers here saying saying "Why should we listen to you when you havent provided DD" Turns out that some of the KEY DD was false which was told to the CSHD cult times after times before the SEC halted trading.

Please provide the links that prove KEY DD, was false. Last I looked their had not been a determination of fraud by the court of the SEC. The SEC is alleging fraud, I'm not saying that ultimately it could prove true but as they say the jury is still out.

Secondly the stock is still trading albeit on the gray sheets but enforcement, if they had been able to prove their allegations would have already put the company in receivership.

If CSHD has no assests, how were they able to open a Euroclear account that requires $200 million in assests. There is a lot more here than any of us know. Would I recommend anyone to buy at this point? He77 no. There is still too much unknown and the ability to sell a position is not liquid.

If I had known that the SEC was going to step in and delist it would I have done anything different? Yes, I would have sold and waited for the dust to settle to reenter. Unfortunately very few are privy to SEC actions before they are taken.

The "CULT" as you call it are many people who believed that they had found a a stock that could change their lives. They had a dream and followed it. Some may have been more adamant than other's in defending their dream but that does not make them ignorant or clueless. There are many here on this thread that for quite sometime have stated that they had made money on this play and held shares to see what the final outcome would be.

Following this stock has been very educational in many respects. Through the DD done on this board we have learned quite a bit about the Euroclear system and the bond market. There is still much to be learned about both. We have also found that a group of individuals willing to share DD can accomplish much without verbal warfare. Go back to the old threads and you will find threads of discussion and DD where there were no personal attacks. It was all about the stock. That's what I enjoyed the most and hope that the same effort can be recreated in other stocks in the future.

I, for one will await the final outcome. The one where a court of law makes a determination of fact or the SEC shuts down the company or that the company shows proof that what they have claimed is real and that it can go forward.

As for Basher's, whether media or poster's, if they truly had the interest of the investor's in mind they would present the facts in a non confrontational manner. It's very diffcult to convince anyone they are wrong when you start out calling them ignorant dummies, stereotyping and grouping them as the "CULT" and protraying them as blind mindless drones. Could there have been another agenda? I will leave that up to the individual to decide. There are 2 sides to every story and usually the truth lies somewhere in between since bias always plays into it. I believe the truth here will also lie somewhere in between the claims of the company and the claims of the media and SEC.

GLTA
Wally

Wally thank you for your responce. You mentioned learning alot about the Bond market, but was it worth losing taking profit as high as 4.00 a share? How many pennnystocks have done the same exact thing that CSHD has done? Why is it that people fail to understand that ALL companies who get listed in this exchange only do so to raise capital.

Paul Rufus harris was a to this day is a fraud. Everyone believed in a perfect stranger and they paid for it with there account value. Wally I have done some research on you and it seem this isn't you first "failed dream" Weren't you in the CMKX scam also? Or was it QBID? Maybe it was both.

Stocks like these prove that Daytrading is the Best way to get rich in this market. If CSHD was a company which had everything they said they had, then why did they wait the last second to do everything? Why is it Rufus mentioned on Subpennyradio that CSHD shareholders will receieve a NOBO list daily?

He is a man who knows how to take advantage of the Cults emotions and honestly the SEC took advantage of his. He believe he could out smart the SEC, but all he did was make himself a target on the Cults hitlist. Rufus mentioned that they owned those bonds, but when the SEC investigated it turned out they didn't. Well not as much as they said they did.

So wally there is no responce needed to my post. Just rest assure that Rufus is somewhere spending his CSHD diluted shares as you try to find the next best thing. Very said to see but wally you have no luck with stocks at all. Weren't you in WFTV also?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
Glassman thank you for the responce.

I am very aware that in life we don't have do-overs. What I fail to understand is as follows. Why is it so many people here failed to listen to the warnings of so many other media outlets of CSHD. They were deemed as bashers, but turned out to be correct at the end.

I've seen many messages posted, by memebers here saying saying "Why should we listen to you when you havent provided DD" Turns out that some of the KEY DD was false which was told to the CSHD cult times after times before the SEC halted trading.

Please provide the links that prove KEY DD, was false. Last I looked their had not been a determination of fraud by the court of the SEC. The SEC is alleging fraud, I'm not saying that ultimately it could prove true but as they say the jury is still out.

Secondly the stock is still trading albeit on the gray sheets but enforcement, if they had been able to prove their allegations would have already put the company in receivership.

If CSHD has no assests, how were they able to open a Euroclear account that requires $200 million in assests. There is a lot more here than any of us know. Would I recommend anyone to buy at this point? He77 no. There is still too much unknown and the ability to sell a position is not liquid.

If I had known that the SEC was going to step in and delist it would I have done anything different? Yes, I would have sold and waited for the dust to settle to reenter. Unfortunately very few are privy to SEC actions before they are taken.

The "CULT" as you call it are many people who believed that they had found a a stock that could change their lives. They had a dream and followed it. Some may have been more adamant than other's in defending their dream but that does not make them ignorant or clueless. There are many here on this thread that for quite sometime have stated that they had made money on this play and held shares to see what the final outcome would be.

Following this stock has been very educational in many respects. Through the DD done on this board we have learned quite a bit about the Euroclear system and the bond market. There is still much to be learned about both. We have also found that a group of individuals willing to share DD can accomplish much without verbal warfare. Go back to the old threads and you will find threads of discussion and DD where there were no personal attacks. It was all about the stock. That's what I enjoyed the most and hope that the same effort can be recreated in other stocks in the future.

I, for one will await the final outcome. The one where a court of law makes a determination of fact or the SEC shuts down the company or that the company shows proof that what they have claimed is real and that it can go forward.

As for Basher's, whether media or poster's, if they truly had the interest of the investor's in mind they would present the facts in a non confrontational manner. It's very diffcult to convince anyone they are wrong when you start out calling them ignorant dummies, stereotyping and grouping them as the "CULT" and protraying them as blind mindless drones. Could there have been another agenda? I will leave that up to the individual to decide. There are 2 sides to every story and usually the truth lies somewhere in between since bias always plays into it. I believe the truth here will also lie somewhere in between the claims of the company and the claims of the media and SEC.

GLTA
Wally

Wally thank you for your responce. You mentioned learning alot about the Bond market, but was it worth losing taking profit as high as 4.00 a share? How many pennnystocks have done the same exact thing that CSHD has done? Why is it that people fail to understand that ALL companies who get listed in this exchange only do so to raise capital.

Paul Rufus harris was a to this day is a fraud. Everyone believed in a perfect stranger and they paid for it with there account value. Wally I have done some research on you and it seem this isn't you first "failed dream" Weren't you in the CMKX scam also? Or was it QBID? Maybe it was both.

Stocks like these prove that Daytrading is the Best way to get rich in this market. If CSHD was a company which had everything they said they had, then why did they wait the last second to do everything? Why is it Rufus mentioned on Subpennyradio that CSHD shareholders will receieve a NOBO list daily?

He is a man who knows how to take advantage of the Cults emotions and honestly the SEC took advantage of his. He believe he could out smart the SEC, but all he did was make himself a target on the Cults hitlist. Rufus mentioned that they owned those bonds, but when the SEC investigated it turned out they didn't. Well not as much as they said they did.

So wally there is no responce needed to my post. Just rest assure that Rufus is somewhere spending his CSHD diluted shares as you try to find the next best thing. Very said to see but wally you have no luck with stocks at all. Weren't you in WFTV also?

Your research leaves a lot to be desired. I was never in either CMKX or QBID. This is the one thing that gets me, people who profess to know so much but don't have the skills to do basic DD. The other thing you would have found if you did the research is that the majority of individuals on this board have always stated to pull profits out and keep shares from profits for the long run.

As to Rufus being a fraud, once again show me where the conviction is? The allegations are there but to this date not one thing has been proven in a court of law. At some point in time we will know but until then it is all conjecture. I'm not saying he is or isn't a fraud because I have no way of knowing this without seeing all the evidence. I will say that he left a lot to be desired as a CEO. Lost his focus and became more worried about the bashing and shorts than the business plan.

Please before you make statements, like you did about me, make sure you have your facts straight.
Good luck to you.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
why does this particular stock seem to attract such rude people?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
why does this particular stock seem to attract such rude people?

I really don't know. but one thing is for sure they seems to do DD like Timothy Miles does. Innuendo, false facts and personal insults. that's OK because I believe that the last post just confirmed a suspicion I had as to Beth's identity. It's not surprising.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Sorry guys [Smile]
 
Posted by BooDog on :
 
.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
anniebonney? would you please PM me?
if you have search capabilities? then you have PM abilities..
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BooDog:
.

lol...

cat got your tongue? [Big Grin]

Wally! shame on you... sneaking in here with a Jan 2006 b-date and playing *both* QBID & CMKX...

quite the feat, that...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by BooDog:
.

lol...

cat got your tongue? [Big Grin]

Wally! shame on you... sneaking in here with a Jan 2006 b-date and playing *both* QBID & CMKX...

quite the feat, that...

LOL. TEX. By the By. It's just another of Alex's reincarnations having at me for sniffing him out all the time. Want proof, just look at the warrant play BethBeth1 is touting.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
he must have done it in a past life... [Roll Eyes]

beth, you will find many people that trade pennies say "don't hold them"...
there is a reson they say that....
it is very good advice...

you will also get "letters of non-solicitation" from some brokers if you trade in any stock under 5$....
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I was wondering how Wally could have possibly been in on the whole CMKM fiasco, when that was like 3 years ago, in my first time on these boards. I do have to say, there was a similar defensive/attacking feel to those discussions as well, at least for those who were ... ummm ... less than bullish about the stock. But that one was a TOTAL flat-liner (0.0001), whereas this one hasn't reached that point yet.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
there was a similar defensive/attacking feel to those discussions as well, at least for those who were ... ummm ...


that play had alot more arguing..... and way more rudeness...

you should read the things WWJD-thru-me- called me... and she claimed to be a big Church going person...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
there was a similar defensive/attacking feel to those discussions as well, at least for those who were ... ummm ...


that play had alot more arguing..... and way more rudeness...

you should read the things WWJD-thru-me- called me... and she claimed to be a big Church going person...

I think I must have left before that point. I guess with that stock, it just seemed so patently OBVIOUS what was going on that those who had been duped had a kind of "bunker mentality" about them. With this stock, it hasn't reached that point yet. However, if this thing ever goes sub-penny--and I think it will--look out! I think you'll see some of the same things, based on how people who speak less-than-positively about this stock are treated now.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
BTW, I take it you were on the opposite side of that play?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
if you mean was i long on CMK???? i never took a postition on it...

it was clearly a pumpandump with unlimited dilution...
they sold about a billion shares every day at .0001 for over a year...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Glass-

No, I meant that you were on the opposite side from where you are on CSHD. Sorry for the confusion. What's up with Mr.C?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
he got something deleted...

KB? what i keep telling you is the truth...
i am on the side that says "be polite"...

you have not always been polite to people IMO. and i've said so when thought so...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
if you mean was i long on CMK???? i never took a postition on it...

it was clearly a pumpandump with unlimited dilution...
they sold about a billion shares every day at .0001 for over a year...

I think that someone tried to figure out the OS numbers on CMKM, and they stopped counting at something like 75 billion or some such number.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
he got something deleted...

KB? what i keep telling you is the truth...
i am on the side that says "be polite"...

you have not always been polite to people IMO. and i've said so when thought so...

If you look back through the threads, I think you'll find that I only attack a PERSON if they attack me first. The discussions where some feel I am being "personal" are when someone takes an attack I make on a STOCK as an attack on a PERSON. The same thing happened with CMKM on a larger scale. Rick took it personally, and I began to feel like he was INTENTIONALLY scamming people, so at that point, I began taking it personally as well. In this stock, I've tried to keep my criticisms stock-related, unless someone attacks me first.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
if you mean was i long on CMK???? i never took a postition on it...

it was clearly a pumpandump with unlimited dilution...
they sold about a billion shares every day at .0001 for over a year...

I think that someone tried to figure out the OS numbers on CMKM, and they stopped counting at something like 75 billion or some such number.
it ended up more like 750 billion...

250 billion of which may have been counterfeit entirely...


NASD Charges NevWest Securities Corporation and Principals with Violating Anti-Money Laundering Rules

Firm Failed to File Suspicious Activity Reports Despite Suspicious Sales Of Hundreds of Billions of Shares of Sub-Penny Stock by Customer



Washington, D.C. — NASD announced today that it has charged NevWest Securities Corporation of Las Vegas and two of its top officers - President Sergey Rumyantsev and Vice President Antony M. Santos - with violating NASD's Anti-Money Laundering Rule.

NASD's complaint charges that between January 2003 and May 2005, NevWest, through Rumyanstev and Santos, failed to adequately perform due diligence, file SARs or cease trading in multiple accounts controlled by one of NevWest's customers in connection with more than 500 sale transactions. The transactions involved a sub-penny stock issued by CMKM Diamonds, Inc. (CMKM) that traded in the Pink Sheets until the S


http://www.nasd.com/PressRoom/NewsReleases/2006NewsReleases/NASDW_017515

believe it or not KB? some others of us here are VERY familiar with what is really going on in the penny market.. that's why we get annoyed at times....
whether it is stock related or not? you do say things to people that clearly imply you think they are stupid...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
he got something deleted...

KB? what i keep telling you is the truth...
i am on the side that says "be polite"...

you have not always been polite to people IMO. and i've said so when thought so...

Oppression!! [Razz]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
he got something deleted...

KB? what i keep telling you is the truth...
i am on the side that says "be polite"...

you have not always been polite to people IMO. and i've said so when thought so...

Oppression!! [Razz]
yes it's aweful isn't it...

glad you decided to stay...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Nope. I simply state my opinion on a given play. If that makes someone FEEL stupid, that's not my problem. I am in no way calling anyone who invests in this stock stupid. Do I think the best play now is to protect whatever remaining capital you may have left in this stock? Sure. How does this imply that I think people who don't are stupid? There's a big difference between thinking someone is stupid and thinking they are wrong.
 
Posted by BooDog on :
 
Started to sound like a soap opera Tex. I said ...
Like sand through an hour glass....and so are the days of our lives.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
kids say the darndest thangs... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by retiredat49 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:


Wally thank you for your responce. You mentioned learning alot about the Bond market, but was it worth losing taking profit as high as 4.00 a share? How many pennnystocks have done the same exact thing that CSHD has done? Why is it that people fail to understand that ALL companies who get listed in this exchange only do so to raise capital.

Paul Rufus harris was a to this day is a fraud. Everyone believed in a perfect stranger and they paid for it with there account value. Wally I have done some research on you and it seem this isn't you first "failed dream" Weren't you in the CMKX scam also? Or was it QBID? Maybe it was both.

Stocks like these prove that Daytrading is the Best way to get rich in this market. If CSHD was a company which had everything they said they had, then why did they wait the last second to do everything? Why is it Rufus mentioned on Subpennyradio that CSHD shareholders will receieve a NOBO list daily?

He is a man who knows how to take advantage of the Cults emotions and honestly the SEC took advantage of his. He believe he could out smart the SEC, but all he did was make himself a target on the Cults hitlist. Rufus mentioned that they owned those bonds, but when the SEC investigated it turned out they didn't. Well not as much as they said they did.

So wally there is no responce needed to my post. Just rest assure that Rufus is somewhere spending his CSHD diluted shares as you try to find the next best thing. Very said to see but wally you have no luck with stocks at all. Weren't you in WFTV also?


This smells like something ole MOMO would post...hmmm
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Nope. I simply state my opinion on a given play. If that makes someone FEEL stupid, that's not my problem. I am in no way calling anyone who invests in this stock stupid. Do I think the best play now is to protect whatever remaining capital you may have left in this stock? Sure. How does this imply that I think people who don't are stupid? There's a big difference between thinking someone is stupid and thinking they are wrong.

Kevin .... You claim to have a high IQ. I seriously doubt it. It is impossible for a person of any type of high intelligence to consistently stay on a site and repeat the same garbage that isn't wanted. Can't you see that you are a PEST? You remind me of a little boy that likes to aggravate people by consistently saying things over and over that we don't want to hear. What is it going to take for you to use your high "IQ" to realize that no one wants your opinion? The first few times people read your opinion, but it's not wanted any more. BYE.
 
Posted by bethbeth1 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BooDog:
Started to sound like a soap opera Tex. I said ...
Like sand through an hour glass....and so are the days of our lives.

CSHD itself is a soap opera. And right now this is the part where the producers are looking to take the show off the air for good. Of course it will take awhile but it will happen sooner then later.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
quote:
Originally posted by BooDog:
Started to sound like a soap opera Tex. I said ...
Like sand through an hour glass....and so are the days of our lives.

CSHD itself is a soap opera. And right now this is the part where the producers are looking to take the show off the air for good. Of course it will take awhile but it will happen sooner then later.
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
quote:
Originally posted by BooDog:
Started to sound like a soap opera Tex. I said ...
Like sand through an hour glass....and so are the days of our lives.

CSHD itself is a soap opera. And right now this is the part where the producers are looking to take the show off the air for good. Of course it will take awhile but it will happen sooner then later.
[Roll Eyes]
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
quote:
Originally posted by BooDog:
Started to sound like a soap opera Tex. I said ...
Like sand through an hour glass....and so are the days of our lives.

CSHD itself is a soap opera. And right now this is the part where the producers are looking to take the show off the air for good. Of course it will take awhile but it will happen sooner then later.
Hey. Momo how's tricks. Not enough people comming to your site? trying to recruit again?

Don't worry people. It won't be long before he/she, I guess he's confused starts pumping another one of his/her wonderful low float warrant plays. Hey it's December times are tough.

Merry Christmas, Alex.

GLTA
Wally

Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by bethbeth1:
quote:
Originally posted by BooDog:
Started to sound like a soap opera Tex. I said ...
Like sand through an hour glass....and so are the days of our lives.

CSHD itself is a soap opera. And right now this is the part where the producers are looking to take the show off the air for good. Of course it will take awhile but it will happen sooner then later.
Hey. Momo how's tricks. Not enough people comming to your site? trying to recruit again?

Don't worry people. It won't be long before he/she, I guess he's confused starts pumping another one of his/her wonderful low float warrant plays. Hey it's December times are tough.

Merry Christmas, Alex.

GLTA
Wally

Wally

I know it will be a hard chirstmas in your houe because of the CSHD bag your holding. Weren't you in WFTV also EALIER this year? You seem always get into the wrong plays.Well look foward for getting a tax break yet again this year wally.
ya know, I had my doubts...

but I'm starting to think Wally is right, lol...

Does my being a huckleberry ring a bell, "Beth"?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
will say this--if you're alex, you've improved a bit...

you have similar problems with the language, though.

So, answer me this--what's the deal with your focusing on Wally?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
will say this--if you're alex, you've improved a bit...

you have similar problems with the language, though.

So, answer me this--what's the deal with your focusing on Wally?

There is only one person out there that comes after me. That's Alex. He hates that I can always spot him so he attacks me. No problem there. I guess I'm doing something right if he feels threatened enough to have to lash out.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
got the T-shirt, lol
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
c'mon "Beth" ...

2-minute response before, eh?
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Just checing to see if there were any new developments this weekend. Saw this interesting post on HSM from ealier tonight. Does this David Perley's name ring any bells? And did any of this thread's DD'ers find anything like this about CSHD's majority stockholders?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"RUMIN8OR
HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 84 Quote:
Originally Posted by ernie d
CSHD doesn't have a JV investment in Ecowood (log hauler) * this point.


It is my understanding that Mike Alexander and Dave Perley (Ecowood) control 61% of Conversion. It is my further understanding that Ecowood is looking for a firm such as Conversion to manage the assets. It is my speculation that as soon as Conversion gets it's skirts clean, Conversion has as good a chance at landing that management contract as anyone, and maybe even better because of the intertwined ownership. I really can't see MA and DP letting their 61% of Conversion getting left behind.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I have orders in with two brokerage firms and am hoping they both get filled first thing tomorrow morning. "
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Just checing to see if there were any new developments this weekend. Saw this interesting post on HSM from ealier tonight. Does this David Perley's name ring any bells? And did any of this thread's DD'ers find anything like this about CSHD's majority stockholders?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"RUMIN8OR
HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 84 Quote:
Originally Posted by ernie d
CSHD doesn't have a JV investment in Ecowood (log hauler) * this point.


It is my understanding that Mike Alexander and Dave Perley (Ecowood) control 61% of Conversion. It is my further understanding that Ecowood is looking for a firm such as Conversion to manage the assets. It is my speculation that as soon as Conversion gets it's skirts clean, Conversion has as good a chance at landing that management contract as anyone, and maybe even better because of the intertwined ownership. I really can't see MA and DP letting their 61% of Conversion getting left behind.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I have orders in with two brokerage firms and am hoping they both get filled first thing tomorrow morning. "

highly doubtful *anyone* without full access can accurately determine those holdings, as it stands. MA was supposedly "guaraneteed" 60% as a kind of "no matter what," in the filing before "the merger," which, as we know, has not been completed...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Nope. I simply state my opinion on a given play. If that makes someone FEEL stupid, that's not my problem. I am in no way calling anyone who invests in this stock stupid. Do I think the best play now is to protect whatever remaining capital you may have left in this stock? Sure. How does this imply that I think people who don't are stupid? There's a big difference between thinking someone is stupid and thinking they are wrong.

Kevin .... You claim to have a high IQ. I seriously doubt it. It is impossible for a person of any type of high intelligence to consistently stay on a site and repeat the same garbage that isn't wanted. Can't you see that you are a PEST? You remind me of a little boy that likes to aggravate people by consistently saying things over and over that we don't want to hear. What is it going to take for you to use your high "IQ" to realize that no one wants your opinion? The first few times people read your opinion, but it's not wanted any more. BYE.
What you "seriously doubt" does not affect what is actually true. I fully understand that YOU don't care for me, or want to hear anything I have to say. However, what YOU don't seem to understand is that I couldn't care less whether you care for me or want to hear anything I have to say.

P.S. The only reason I mentioned my IQ was that one of your cohorts accused me of being stupid. You'll find I don't volunteer that information simply on a whim. You'll also find I don't care whether you believe it's true or not.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
BethBeth apparently throwing in da towel...

TKO!

lol

I guess it's only fun when yo can hide behind a mask. Alex unmasked again. Game over.

GLTA
Wally

What's all this "Alex" stuff about? It sounds quite interesting!
infamous, minor-league, front-loader, PnD guy... got ran outta here when caught red-handed on ARET play; was obsessed with getting back on for months n months...usually keeps some underlings lurking about
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Well.

It's time to call it a night. You'll have a good night now.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
ya... I noticed [Wink]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
night, all...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Looks like I missed an action packed night. Even when nothings going on with this stock (watching paint dry) I can still rely on some coming out of the wood work trying to stir the pot.

At least it makes catching up on the thread more fun than seeing nothing.

Good morning all-
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
BUMP myself.....and G'd Morning Board

quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Just checing to see if there were any new developments this weekend. Saw this interesting post on HSM from ealier tonight. Does this David Perley's name ring any bells? And did any of this thread's DD'ers find anything like this about CSHD's majority stockholders?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"RUMIN8OR
HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 84 Quote:
Originally Posted by ernie d
CSHD doesn't have a JV investment in Ecowood (log hauler) * this point.


It is my understanding that Mike Alexander and Dave Perley (Ecowood) control 61% of Conversion. It is my further understanding that Ecowood is looking for a firm such as Conversion to manage the assets. It is my speculation that as soon as Conversion gets it's skirts clean, Conversion has as good a chance at landing that management contract as anyone, and maybe even better because of the intertwined ownership. I really can't see MA and DP letting their 61% of Conversion getting left behind.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I have orders in with two brokerage firms and am hoping they both get filled first thing tomorrow morning. "


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
BUMP myself.....and G'd Morning Board

quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Just checing to see if there were any new developments this weekend. Saw this interesting post on HSM from ealier tonight. Does this David Perley's name ring any bells? And did any of this thread's DD'ers find anything like this about CSHD's majority stockholders?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"RUMIN8OR
HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 84 Quote:
Originally Posted by ernie d
CSHD doesn't have a JV investment in Ecowood (log hauler) * this point.


It is my understanding that Mike Alexander and Dave Perley (Ecowood) control 61% of Conversion. It is my further understanding that Ecowood is looking for a firm such as Conversion to manage the assets. It is my speculation that as soon as Conversion gets it's skirts clean, Conversion has as good a chance at landing that management contract as anyone, and maybe even better because of the intertwined ownership. I really can't see MA and DP letting their 61% of Conversion getting left behind.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I have orders in with two brokerage firms and am hoping they both get filled first thing tomorrow morning. "


Gooooood Morning Board ~ [Smile]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Good Morning and a happy start to a new week!

Now if we could get something to happen with OUR stock I'm sure we could all get back. Keep up the DD and great homework. I for one, appreciate it when others find the treasure map and lead all of us to the important info we so desperately seek.
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Good morning all.
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Good morning all.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Good morning, the Ecowood deal was supposed to be in the merger originally..It's hard to imagine a damn merger is'nt even done yet. Rufus must be a real loser at doing one.
I did call the phone # on the CVSU.US website last week and a lady answered and told me that she was hired to take calls. She said that CSHD and Ecowood were both going to be in the same building in a week or so. That sounds like a strong coincidence, considering all the places there are to pick from..


quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
Just checing to see if there were any new developments this weekend. Saw this interesting post on HSM from ealier tonight. Does this David Perley's name ring any bells? And did any of this thread's DD'ers find anything like this about CSHD's majority stockholders?
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"RUMIN8OR
HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 84 Quote:
Originally Posted by ernie d
CSHD doesn't have a JV investment in Ecowood (log hauler) * this point.


It is my understanding that Mike Alexander and Dave Perley (Ecowood) control 61% of Conversion. It is my further understanding that Ecowood is looking for a firm such as Conversion to manage the assets. It is my speculation that as soon as Conversion gets it's skirts clean, Conversion has as good a chance at landing that management contract as anyone, and maybe even better because of the intertwined ownership. I really can't see MA and DP letting their 61% of Conversion getting left behind.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I have orders in with two brokerage firms and am hoping they both get filled first thing tomorrow morning. "


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
{quietly opens door}

{peeks in...}

{throws koolaid filled water balloon}

Morning CSHD! Just checking in...

{slams door}
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Oh that was dirty..Now get back in here and lick it up. [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
{quietly opens door}

{peeks in...}

{throws koolaid filled water balloon}

Morning CSHD! Just checking in...

{slams door}


 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Morning all - looks like a very slow day so far on all fronts...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya SherriT, you would think between 3 CEOs at least 5 billion in bonds and countless JVs lined up there would be something to announce about something..the ball should have been rolling on this months ago. Ben Stanley could have slowed it down, especially if he had to talk. Just getting a word out of his mouth sounded like a monumental task.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Perley was involved with Furia early on. Looks like he was involved about the same time James Gee was. From this link:
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/11/17/0001144204-05-036528/Section11.asp
On July 13, 2005, the Company issued 2,500,000 shares of its restricted
common stock for consulting services to Dave Perley (1,500,000 shares) and to
JMS Construction (1,000,000 shares) in reliance upon Section 4(2) under the
Securities Act of 1933.

I'm pretty sure that JMS Construction is James Gee's business. I've got his card at home.

Someone asked Rufus about the Ecowood deal at the BBQ. He said we'd have to talk with Mike about that because that was his deal (Mike was also CSHD's CEO at the time).

I'm pretty sure CSHD would have a place in Ecowood's deal due to Mike's position in each. IMHO!

And good morning all.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Ya SherriT, you would think between 3 CEOs at least 5 billion in bonds and countless JVs lined up there would be something to announce about something..the ball should have been rolling on this months ago. Ben Stanley could have slowed it down, especially if he had to talk. Just getting a word out of his mouth sounded like a monumental task.

6, you GOTTA get a better outlook! [Big Grin]

I was referring to the trading in general - looks like low volume in most places (at least the 20ish I am watching)
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Back at the beginning of this merger talk Rufus made it sound like the log deal was on the table in the merger and played it down. Now it almost looks like it would be one of the biggest deals.

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Perley was involved with Furia early on. Looks like he was involved about the same time James Gee was. From this link:
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/11/17/0001144204-05-036528/Section11.asp
On July 13, 2005, the Company issued 2,500,000 shares of its restricted
common stock for consulting services to Dave Perley (1,500,000 shares) and to
JMS Construction (1,000,000 shares) in reliance upon Section 4(2) under the
Securities Act of 1933.

I'm pretty sure that JMS Construction is James Gee's business. I've got his card at home.

Someone asked Rufus about the Ecowood deal at the BBQ. He said we'd have to talk with Mike about that because that was his deal (Mike was also CSHD's CEO at the time).

I'm pretty sure CSHD would have a place in Ecowood's deal due to Mike's position in each. IMHO!

And good morning all.


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
SherriT, I know. It will come with something paying off for a change again.
I'm very pi$$ed off at this company right now and would like to hear more about what's going on. Where are the psychos and hit men when you need them.

quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Ya SherriT, you would think between 3 CEOs at least 5 billion in bonds and countless JVs lined up there would be something to announce about something..the ball should have been rolling on this months ago. Ben Stanley could have slowed it down, especially if he had to talk. Just getting a word out of his mouth sounded like a monumental task.

6, you GOTTA get a better outlook! [Big Grin]

I was referring to the trading in general - looks like low volume in most places (at least the 20ish I am watching)


 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
While looking for Ecowood info I found an old PR which I thought I'd throw out here in case anyone wanted it for a reference point to run and research. Besides the Euroclear 5B bond I had forgotten about the other bond from Finland.

Conversion Solutions Holdings Files 10-KSB, Annual Report
Monday October 16, 8:43 pm ET

KENNESAW, Ga., Oct. 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD - News), a Delaware Corporation announces the following current events have taken place.

CVSU would like to announce that today we file our 10-KSB and a 10-KSB/A Annual Report.

The Filing highlights the company's strong growth and the large market expansion of its Asset Backed Portfolio. It also notes that the company will reveal the Assets that have been contracted since June 30, 2006, in the upcoming statements of financial results.

Net Income for the fiscal year ending of June 30, 2006 was $18,530,865.

Total Assets for the fiscal year end was $830,009,352. Total Shareholder equity for the fiscal year end was $789,508,292.

Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006.

With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22.

The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71.

A typographic error in the 10-KSB under Item 5 Current Event-Driven Threshold Price Reset should have read as follows;

Current Event-Driven Threshold Price Reset

As a result of the Merger agreement between FrontHaul Group and CSHD [incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act)] Item 2.6 Average Closing Price Adjustment which reads a follows;

In the event that the Actual Average Closing Price is less than $15.00, the Surviving Holdings Company shall deliver written notice to the Company no later than the second (2nd) Business Day preceding the Closing Date pursuant to which the Surviving Holdings Company shall elect, in its sole discretion, to: (a) maintain the Average Closing Price at a price equal to the Actual Average Closing Price; (b) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4) an amount in cash equal to $15.00 minus the Actual Average Closing Price per share of Buyer's Stock to be received by such holders of Company Shares; or (c) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay no additional consideration to the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4).

The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.

The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).

A 10-KSB/A was filed and accepted at 6:50PM and will show up on the Edgar System first thing tomorrow morning.

"The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional shares (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.

About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp

CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at www.cvsu.us.
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Morning folks. I figured I'd share some wisdom from the immortal words of Homer Simpson:

"Now we play the waiting game...........EHH,the waiting game sucks lets play Hungry Hungry Hippos"

Anyone up for some Hungry Hungry Hippos?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Any one want to put a branding iron to Harris a$$ and see if we can get him to do something beneficial for something. A stroke should be the least of his problems.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Any one want to put a branding iron to Harris a$$ and see if we can get him to do something beneficial for something. A stroke should be the least of his problems.

What the hell is this all about? A stroke? Not very nice post. Save your anger until you know for sure who to be angry at.IMO
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Thats enough lecturing for one day. Use your energy to get one of these big wheels to give some useful info to the shareholders. Harris only wanted to drag me through the court system for ever to satisfy his own good. It was'nt intended to be a nice post.

Want nice tell me what the CSHD inner circle is doing.

quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Any one want to put a branding iron to Harris a$$ and see if we can get him to do something beneficial for something. A stroke should be the least of his problems.

What the hell is this all about? A stroke? Not very nice post. Save your anger until you know for sure who to be angry at.IMO

 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Thats enough lecturing for one day. Use your energy to get one of these big wheels to give some useful info to the shareholders. Harris only wanted to drag me through the court system for ever to satisfy his own good. It was'nt intended to be a nice post.

Want nice tell me what the CSHD inner circle is doing.

quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Any one want to put a branding iron to Harris a$$ and see if we can get him to do something beneficial for something. A stroke should be the least of his problems.

What the hell is this all about? A stroke? Not very nice post. Save your anger until you know for sure who to be angry at.IMO

Lecture must have done some good, Noticed in your 1st post, mad at "RPH", 2cd post " big wheels". How about you use your energy and let us know what you find out.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Hello to all board members! I'm sorry my first posts of the day were negitive. Sometimes things hit a last nerve and that was mine.Rest of the day, I'll be good!
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
I have suspected this from the time that MA first tried to take over the co. At this point I feel we have two things working to our advantage. MA and now JA are both heavily invested in this (with several others). They don’t want to throw their investment away. The way I see it only leaves four scenarios moving forward:

1. They knew the co. had real assets and will use these to continue the CSHD business plan.

2. they knew the co. had real assets but are "locked out" of rph's business plan (worthless or otherwise) and once the assets are in their control they will use them to advance this stock in their other business models (ie-echowood for MA, the songwi subs. or whatever JA still has up his sleeve).

3. the assets are far less than anyone had thought/non-existent, and MA and JA still can’t let this fall into sub penny land and will do what every they can with what they have to make a new business model work from this point forward. (Note: although this could be a very real scenario and we would in effect be at square one again, there is no reason to think these men can't succeed or at least get us trading at reasonable levels again).

4. We have no assets and MA and JA's other business plans in no way help us here. Everyone moves on. I think if after looking into the co. Which obviously MA and JA have more info than we do, if this was going to happen then why would both want control of the co. They obviously are going to at least make an attempt with one of the above scenarios IMHO.


BuckyBarnes
Member
posted December 11, 2006 01:27
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Just checing to see if there were any new developments this weekend. Saw this interesting post on HSM from ealier tonight. Does this David Perley's name ring any bells? And did any of this thread's DD'ers find anything like this about CSHD's majority stockholders?
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"RUMIN8OR
HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 84 Quote:
Originally Posted by ernie d
CSHD doesn't have a JV investment in Ecowood (log hauler) * this point.


It is my understanding that Mike Alexander and Dave Perley (Ecowood) control 61% of Conversion. It is my further understanding that Ecowood is looking for a firm such as Conversion to manage the assets. It is my speculation that as soon as Conversion gets it's skirts clean, Conversion has as good a chance at landing that management contract as anyone, and maybe even better because of the intertwined ownership. I really can't see MA and DP letting their 61% of Conversion getting left behind.

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it. I have orders in with two brokerage firms and am hoping they both get filled first thing tomorrow morning. "
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
CSHD is slowing fading from the message boards, we used to be #1 here and IHub. Now we're not even on the map over there, HSM is slowing way down and here we've dropped to #5 or 6.

A shame, I remember 2 months ago when we were always at the top, $2 a share and heading to great things.

Such is life!
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Don't lose hope!

The SEC still has not proven anything.

A lot of the shareholders still have not bailed and many like myself are just patiently waiting.

Although we all would like daily or weekly PR's sometimes no news is good news. At least we aren't hearing anything negative from the company or the SEC, right. ??

I look everyday for news. No bad news is GREAT.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
CSHD is slowing fading from the message boards, we used to be #1 here and IHub. Now we're not even on the map over there, HSM is slowing way down and here we've dropped to #5 or 6.

A shame, I remember 2 months ago when we were always at the top, $2 a share and heading to great things.

Such is life!

Good. Soon this blackmark on this board will be gone. GONE WITH THE WIND.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
well my day is officially fd up. took a huge financial loss on the way home ont he expressway. 90 in a 60, no proof on insurance (i have) 5% tint violation, and a bullsh!t careless driving violation...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Did any body ever make sense of what that kook Rufus was trying to do? Like he said himself he spent a long time setting this up and then it seems like he was just dropping it like it's nothing.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
well my day is officially fd up. took a huge financial loss on the way home ont he expressway. 90 in a 60, no proof on insurance (i have) 5% tint violation, and a bullsh!t careless driving violation...

At least they didn't find the weed in your trunk. Or that would mean, HELLO BUBBA.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
trade, what were you thinking. Maybe about cshd. It sounds like you would have been better off throwing a fit at allstocks. GL


quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
well my day is officially fd up. took a huge financial loss on the way home ont he expressway. 90 in a 60, no proof on insurance (i have) 5% tint violation, and a bullsh!t careless driving violation...


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Some thing is starting to stink prematurely.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
CSHD is slowing fading from the message boards, we used to be #1 here and IHub. Now we're not even on the map over there, HSM is slowing way down and here we've dropped to #5 or 6.

A shame, I remember 2 months ago when we were always at the top, $2 a share and heading to great things.

Such is life!

Good. Soon this blackmark on this board will be gone. GONE WITH THE WIND.

 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Don't lose hope!

The SEC still has not proven anything.

A lot of the shareholders still have not bailed and many like myself are just patiently waiting.

Although we all would like daily or weekly PR's sometimes no news is good news. At least we aren't hearing anything negative from the company or the SEC, right. ??

I look everyday for news. No bad news is GREAT.

the SEC does not have to prove anything! the COMPANY has to prove they have what they claimed!! aparrently they cannot or this would have been over weeks ago!. and we all no the SEC does not comment on the outcome of it`s investigations unless criminal charges are filed. ( witch may happen yet ) but this was all part of the plan right? to prove to the world we are legit right? if the plan was to get the price down to a penny they are going about it the right way! LOL!!
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
I think the plan was for Rufus to play the patsy while his buddies ran the stock from the pennies to $3 and then unloaded.

I'm sure there is a nice trust fund set up for Rufus.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
message deleted for legal purposes
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:

She? A woman cop? You should have offered her something to get out of it..
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
You should have offered her something to get out of it..

How about some shares of CSHD....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
she was a butch dude. do you know what that is?

ps: repo please unquote me thanks.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Yeah, I know what that is....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Anybody...Anything on the Default or no default?
Is it filed or not filed?

Portman? Can the SHC get some answers? Can the answers be PR'd?
The 6:1 stuff? Anything?
Not asking for hand holding here...just some clarification!
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
w/e

with my billion dollar company shares...i ask for donations...give what you can, thanks..

PM me for Address
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
At least I'm man enough to realize the chances of ever seeing the 6:1 or a share price equivalent to $2-$3 is probably .1%

suck it up guys...rufus played us well
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
At least I'm man enough to realize the chances of ever seeing the 6:1 or a share price equivalent to $2-$3 is probably .1%

suck it up guys...rufus played us well

well optimistically...its not over yet till we hear tha verdict
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
When I talked to the SEC people at the Kremlin I came away with the idea that it does'nt have to be the end of Conversion even if the bond issue is not accurate to their pleasing. I asked Alana Black what happens if the amount of ownership of the bond is false as far as CSHD staying in business and she said it's up to them if they want to continue in business or not. Like they are'nt going to put them out of biz. I'm not a lawyer or savvy in a lot of business situations, but that sounds rosy compared to some scenarios that have been run by me.
What does everybody think of that?
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I dunno - I'll be willing to admit I have been played in a few more weeks, but I kinda think the new powers that be are really working on something, and that we aren't gonna see the first hint of it until after the holidays. JMHO. If I had as much here as MA and JA and friends, I WOULD be finding a way to get things rolling again.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
When I talked to the SEC people at the Kremlin I came away with the idea that it does'nt have to be the end of Conversion even if the bond issue is not accurate to their pleasing. I askes Alana Black what happens if the amount of ownership of the bond is false aas far as CSHD staying in business and she said it's up to them if they want to continue in business or not. Like they are'nt going to put them out of biz. I'm not a lawyer or savvy in a lot of business situations, but that sounds rosy compared to some scenarios that have been run by me.
What does everybody think of that?

they may stay in buisness but unless they issue complete audited financials with CORRECT numbers they will NEVER get off the greys!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya I just talked to Alana Black again. What the sec is seeking is the disgorgement and a fine both of which are yet to be determined. Also no proof has been satisfied yet as to the ownership of any of the bonds and it sounds like they want proof of all of them. Thats what POs me from the stand point of the company that it has to be so difficult to prove the bonds.. Maybe it takes a court order for the SEC to look in the right place. I don't know. I hope it works out.
Alana repeated to me that it will be up to the company whether or not they wish to proceed with business as usual or not. When all is said and done.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Ya I just talked to Alana Black again. What the sec is seeking is the disgorgement and a fine both of which are yet to be determined. Also no proof has been satisfied yet as to the ownership of any of the bonds and it sounds like they want proof of all of them. Thats what POs me from the stand point of the company that it has to be so difficult to prove the bonds.. Maybe it takes a court order for the SEC to look in the right place. I don't know. I hope it works out.
Alana repeated to me that it will be up to the company whether or not they wish to proceed with business as usual or not. When all is said and done.

How hard can it be to prove that bonds exist?? Am I missing something here? Either they exist, or they don't. Not looking for bigfoot. What a joke!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya unless seems to be the case.
Just a part of them would work for me. I don't need any false claims. They would'nt pay off so well.


quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
When I talked to the SEC people at the Kremlin I came away with the idea that it does'nt have to be the end of Conversion even if the bond issue is not accurate to their pleasing. I askes Alana Black what happens if the amount of ownership of the bond is false aas far as CSHD staying in business and she said it's up to them if they want to continue in business or not. Like they are'nt going to put them out of biz. I'm not a lawyer or savvy in a lot of business situations, but that sounds rosy compared to some scenarios that have been run by me.
What does everybody think of that?

they may stay in buisness but unless they issue complete audited financials with CORRECT numbers they will NEVER get off the greys!!!

 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Ya I just talked to Alana Black again. What the sec is seeking is the disgorgement and a fine both of which are yet to be determined. Also no proof has been satisfied yet as to the ownership of any of the bonds and it sounds like they want proof of all of them. Thats what POs me from the stand point of the company that it has to be so difficult to prove the bonds.. Maybe it takes a court order for the SEC to look in the right place. I don't know. I hope it works out.
Alana repeated to me that it will be up to the company whether or not they wish to proceed with business as usual or not. When all is said and done.

if they are seeking disgorgement then they must beleive RPH and or the company traded stock into the run up. this gets worse every day!! sub penny is comming soon!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya the SEC says they don't own the whole thing on any of them. Apparently other peple are dipping into the same pot that are'nt associated with Conversion. So this is the most elaborate mess that i have come across in pennyland.
As far as the SEC is concerned the ball is on Conversion side of the court to prove ownership.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Ya I just talked to Alana Black again. What the sec is seeking is the disgorgement and a fine both of which are yet to be determined. Also no proof has been satisfied yet as to the ownership of any of the bonds and it sounds like they want proof of all of them. Thats what POs me from the stand point of the company that it has to be so difficult to prove the bonds.. Maybe it takes a court order for the SEC to look in the right place. I don't know. I hope it works out.
Alana repeated to me that it will be up to the company whether or not they wish to proceed with business as usual or not. When all is said and done.

How hard can it be to prove that bonds exist?? Am I missing something here? Either they exist, or they don't. Not looking for bigfoot. What a joke!

 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So, i guess i could jump on the anti-Rufus campaign but as ive said before ill wait for some clarification as to what he did before i pile on. For now it still appears that he made a lot of investors up to 4000% in returns but then ticked off the SEC and found himself in hot water.

Anyway, if you are all looking to focus your negative energy someplace how about the people that are currently running the show? We now have a IR firm and a SHC but i feel more in the dark now than ever. Instead of dwelling on Rufus regarding things no one knows the details of, how about putting a little pressure on "Tut the paid pumper" for a bit.

As ive said before, i will base my decisions on facts. I have no factual proof that Rufus scammed me. I have no factual proof that Arlitt is doing ANYTHING with the company right now. Ive seen 1 PR and HSM posters willing to give hints about things but nothing more. Those posters are deleted from HSM for whatever reason. Its all nonsense, not just Rufus.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I just wish they would get the whole thing done with. Thers all kinds of stuff that the new mgmnt could be telling us right now that I feel we as shareholders have a right to know.
What's so illegal or hush hush about how to tell if the bonds are legit or whatever?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
MrCatia, refer to my previous post. [Wink]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rufus was always verbally and otherwise declaring. The bonds are real, the assets are there, et,. How much can someone say. I guess he has to prove to the SEC that he was'nt lieing. It seems like in order for him to prove honesty the bonds will have to be proven along the way.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I agree diggy. Either the SHC has not seen proof of the bonds or the SHC is not telling us that they have. Im guessing that they have not seen the proof, and im not sure that the proof is as cut and dry as most had hoped.

The big question everyone asks "If the bonds are real then it should be easy to prove it right?" is a damn fine question. Im pretty tired of hearing how difficult it is to prove it, either CSHD is managing the bonds or theyre not. Im tired of the smoke and mirrors and even more tired in hearing about naked shorts and FTDs.

This is why i dont post much anymore. Im waiting for a clear answer as to who i can blame for this extremely poor company management.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya if they have the bonds business should be moving along months ago in my opinion.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I agree diggy. Either the SHC has not seen proof of the bonds or the SHC is not telling us that they have. Im guessing that they have not seen the proof, and im not sure that the proof is as cut and dry as most had hoped.

The big question everyone asks "If the bonds are real then it should be easy to prove it right?" is a damn fine question. Im pretty tired of hearing how difficult it is to prove it, either CSHD is managing the bonds or theyre not. Im tired of the smoke and mirrors and even more tired in hearing about naked shorts and FTDs.

This is why i dont post much anymore. Im waiting for a clear answer as to who i can blame for this extremely poor company management.

Well said Catia. Maybe we all need to stop posting and let things take their course. It's hard not to post and try to offer the rest of us support (or try to get us out of this mess) but all the speculation does not help.
 
Posted by Sandusky on :
 
OT: Name that CSHD character...

"Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely stupid."

Come on you know it made you chuckle...
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
This doesn't make any sense...there can only be a disgorgement and fine after the fact...

Them telling you this is what they want is misleading...saying this implies that fraud and ill gotten gains from the company have already been proven...which just isn't the case...

This is an end game for the SEC...NOT what they currently want...

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
What the sec is seeking is the disgorgement and a fine both of which are yet to be determined.


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya you're right thats what I mean. I guess i'll shut up and try not to post anymore. It looks like a lot of others already have.
Bottom line it's my fault for still holding shares of this. I should have dumped it all when it was profitable.
Let our mgmnt have their turn in the big wheely deal seat. With the closed door meetings and all that stuff.


quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
This doesn't make any sense...there can only be a disgorgement and fine after the fact...

Them telling you this is what they want is misleading...saying this implies that fraud and ill gotten gains from the company have already been proven...which just isn't the case...

This is an end game for the SEC...NOT what they currently want...

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
What the sec is seeking is the disgorgement and a fine both of which are yet to be determined.



 
Posted by CRab on :
 
I meant nothing against you 6...I was just pointing out that she kinda side stepped your question answering that way...hell I've pretty much stopped posting...as has just about everyone else...

There just isn't any point now...not until something real...good or bad...comes to light...
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
"It is up to the company if they want to continue businees without the bond assets." Without the bonds to manage there is no business.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
OK
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Anybody...Anything on the Default or no default?
Is it filed or not filed?

Portman? Can the SHC get some answers? Can the answers be PR'd?
The 6:1 stuff? Anything?
Not asking for hand holding here...just some clarification!

10 of Hand-Holding,

From what I can tell, the defaults are entered; we're simply waiting on the judge to get around to issuing the order...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
When I talked to the SEC people at the Kremlin I came away with the idea that it does'nt have to be the end of Conversion even if the bond issue is not accurate to their pleasing. I asked Alana Black what happens if the amount of ownership of the bond is false as far as CSHD staying in business and she said it's up to them if they want to continue in business or not. Like they are'nt going to put them out of biz. I'm not a lawyer or savvy in a lot of business situations, but that sounds rosy compared to some scenarios that have been run by me.
What does everybody think of that?

just about exactly what I've been saying, lol.

they'll get revoked sooner for continued, chronic no filings than for misrepresentation/fraud, etc. Remember, Enron still trades...
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Enron is at .10

YESSSSS...WE WONT GO SUBPENNNY EVEN WHEN WE ARE SHUTDOWN!!!! WOOOOO HOO!!!

LMFAO
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Thanks Tex...
I must have missed something, somewhaere...I thought that the "default" was "pulled" from paser...and then the fact that JA obtained a lawyer meant that the "default" would be withdrawn...
Who the hell knows...Seems the SHC is not able to get answers and the company has pretty much given up letting all know what is going on...
I know many have faith in JA...BUT? I can't see "Tut" pullin' this off by NOT informing shareholders of the position that they are in with the SEC...
ya know the "investor perception" thing...


quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Anybody...Anything on the Default or no default?
Is it filed or not filed?

Portman? Can the SHC get some answers? Can the answers be PR'd?
The 6:1 stuff? Anything?
Not asking for hand holding here...just some clarification!

10 of Hand-Holding,

From what I can tell, the defaults are entered; we're simply waiting on the judge to get around to issuing the order...


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Recieved a very nice personally written and hand signed letter from Senator Pat Roberts of Kansas tonight. Not like some of the form letter replies I recieved from other leaders. He actually did some digging, and mentioned Senator Grassley from Iowa and his position on the Senate Finance commitee, and his own personal position on the Senate Banking Comittee as SEC watchdogs. I will retype it on here in a little bit.

A man who couldn't have bought my vote in the past, has now earned it for the future. I guess my kids will just have to learn about evolution from their ape like father at home rather than in school. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
To Whom This May Concern {anyone from SHC or from The company} All of your dedicated shareholders would or should say need SOME word on where we stand.We would appreciate ANYTHING. We have been patient as you have requested, but enough is enough.Not only do we not know if there is still a company, we are now turning against each other.As you know , some have a lot of money riding on this. Do you really think you are being fair to the loyal followers? I will repeat "enough is enough" Thank you for your time.
 
Posted by millionaireat30 on :
 
here's what you guys can do to get more info if you have an hsm account. i don't have an account with hsm, but i am certain that john's girlfriend posts on hsm. ask her for updates about john or the company.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by millionaireat30:
here's what you guys can do to get more info if you have an hsm account. i don't have an account with hsm, but i am certain that john's girlfriend posts on hsm. ask her for updates about john or the company.

LOL

Thats all we need.........tuttess [Big Grin]

I think I would prefer a P.R.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Good God, are we gonna see what her kids have to say about it too, LOL.

I can hear em now, "wait till a month from now and it'll go up!". LOL...

"I mean next Monday."

Anyhows, goodluck people, I sold out and am going to buy me a digital camera so when I go to Europe I'll be able to get some damn good shots.

I will miss all and hope to see ya around on other threads [Wink] !!!
 
Posted by millionaireat30 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by millionaireat30:
here's what you guys can do to get more info if you have an hsm account. i don't have an account with hsm, but i am certain that john's girlfriend posts on hsm. ask her for updates about john or the company.

LOL

Thats all we need.........tuttess [Big Grin]

I think I would prefer a P.R.

lol i know. what's up with this company and everyone involved posting on chatrooms? they need to get work done!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I have a question? On 11-17-06 a PR was released from the company.Rufus was CEO at that time. In the release it stated that on 12-17-06, There would be an emergency shareholders meeting in Washington. Shouldn't there be a follow up PR from the company cancelling this or confirming it's still on? We assume that because no one received the e-mails 10 days prior to the 17th, that it is cancelled, but no PR? Why , once again are we not hearing anything? My main question is, can we be in more trouble from the SEC? I'm not "up" on the rules.Just seems to me that an official PR from the COMPANY , who ever is the new CEO now to date ,may have been needed or at the very least wanted from the shareholders.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I have a question? On 11-17-06 a PR was released from the company.Rufus was CEO at that time. In the release it stated that on 12-17-06, There would be an emergency shareholders meeting in Washington. Shouldn't there be a follow up PR from the company cancelling this or confirming it's still on? We assume that because no one received the e-mails 10 days prior to the 17th, that it is cancelled, but no PR? Why , once again are we not hearing anything? My main question is, can we be in more trouble from the SEC? I'm not "up" on the rules.Just seems to me that an official PR from the COMPANY , who ever is the new CEO now to date ,may have been needed or at the very least wanted from the shareholders.

prolly not major trouble--unless some do show up and have a meeting. But if no meeting, nobody's denied a meeting, eh?

btw, news out...Lee Webb article with some old threads and a coupla new players in da mix...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Thanks Tex! I thought everyone left. Where is this article at?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
try this:

http://www.**********.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-631116-U:CSHD&sy mbol=CSHD&news_region=U

well, the asterisks are obvious, eh?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I can't get that to work. Not to computor savy in case you've never noticed. Haha
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
front page of s t o c k w a t c h. com
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Just read the article written by Webb. I know the history of Lee Webb with our company, however; it seems very thorough. If it is even partially correct, I suggest that we begin a "Class Action Suite" against Rufus and the company. The article has caught my attention. I hope it is very wrong, but it is beginning to look believable. Let me know if you people believe any of it.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Here is the transcribed letter from Senator Pat Roberts that I recieved. He does not seem to be affraid of holding the SEC's feet to the fire if they are wrong.

quote:

Dear, Mr. XXXXXXXXXX

Thank you for taking the time to write regarding the U.S Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) Division of Enforcement. I appreciate hearing from you on this issue.

I appreciate your alerting me to your concerns regarding an SEC-ordered trading suspension for Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation (CSHD). The SEC ordered this trading suspension from October 24 through November 6 as Release No. 34-54645. According to the SEC, its determination to suspend trading for CSHD was due to two bond issuances by the Republic of Venezuela and the company’s relationship with Deutsche Bank.

While it is the responsibility of the SEC enforce securities law and protect investors, the Senate Banking Committee has the responsibility for exercising oversight of the SEC. Please be assured, I will share your concerns with my colleagues on the committee and will keep your letter in mind should the Senate consider legislation where your concerns may be addressed. I will also keep in mind your support for Senator Charles Grassley’s efforts to review the SEC actions should the Senate Finance Committee take action on this issue.

In addition, if you have not already done so, I would encourage you to visit the SEC’s website at http://sec.gov/ to view information relating to the CSHD trading suspension. Again thank you for taking the time to contact me. If you would like more information on issues before the Senate, please visit my website at http://roberts.senate.gov. You may also sign up on my home page for a monthly electronic newsletter that will provide additional updates on my work for Kansas.

With every best wish,

Sincerely,

Pat {felt pen signature}
Pat Roberts

PR:ae


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Just read the article written by Webb. I know the history of Lee Webb with our company, however; it seems very thorough. If it is even partially correct, I suggest that we begin a "Class Action Suite" against Rufus and the company. The article has caught my attention. I hope it is very wrong, but it is beginning to look believable. Let me know if you people believe any of it.

TDoc, some of that DD & leads--he could've easily gotten here, in early threads...

supposedly, a class-action has already been initiated, but I've seen only two posts about it...

looking into a class-action suit is logical, to me, as well as learning as much as possible about the disgorgement process...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Now THAT is an interesting article! I do think that filing a class action suit might be a bit pointless, though. It doesn't sound like RPH has much to recover, and it also doesn't seem like the fraudulent bonds have any value either. So where's the value in filing suit?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Thanks once again Tex, that was a lot of reading!Good night to all and to all a good night!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
A quote from Webb's article:

quote:
Meanwhile, some of Conversion's starry-eyed Internet followers claim that they are continuing to add to their positions at recent "bargain basement" prices while they wait for their latest champion, Mr. Arlitt, to confirm the company's purported bond holdings and put the assets to work.
And one other quote that should be noted, as it relates to the supposed "bonds."

quote:
While the research continues, **********, like the SEC, is already satisfied that Conversion's claims to owning billions of dollars worth of bonds are rubbish.

Moreover, **********'s investigation indicates that the company's murky "global funding" partners, including the Caracas Group led by Mr. Paez and Mr. Sakli's HSWF, never had the billions of dollars worth of bonds touted by Conversion.

Thanks for posting the link, Tex. Very enlightening.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Here's a ********** article on Mr. Arlitt that's even more interesting, as it pertains to the future of this "company."

http://www.**********.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-629889-U:CSHD&sy mbol=CSHD&news_region=U

Edit: This is a s t o ck w a tch article. For some reason, AS won't let these things be posted. How f'in lame is that?
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Here's a ********** article on Mr. Arlitt that's even more interesting, as it pertains to the future of this "company."

http://www.**********.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-629889-U:CSHD&sy mbol=CSHD&news_region=U

Edit: This is a s t o ck w a tch article. For some reason, AS won't let these things be posted. How f'in lame is that?

Just read the article, this is a joke. If I had to guess, I bet Arlitt was all part of the plan, and was involved in the pump and selling on the way up as he told everyone to hold. Perfectly orchestrated in my opinion.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
I believe that quoting the people in that article leaves Lee Webb wide open to a law suite if he is quoting false statements regarding what they have said. If Rufus is a "fraud", I will take and support any action necessary to put him in jail. I would also support going after his and Ben Stanley's properties etc.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Kind of makes you wonder about the supposed altruistic SHC as well. Were they sucked in by Arlitt, or were they part of the plan as well?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well finally finished reading that waste of space article. Boy Webb can spin a load.

I will give him a few pats on the back. He has been able to get people who have never spoken to speak, read court documents and followed bankruptcy documents that have never been read or followed, and can name drop and twist better than the best habitual liar. (Well lookie there I can do it too. Didn't actually call him a habitual liar but by mentioning it in the same sentence I made all think I did.)

It is said that the best way to make a ficional story most believable is to give it real life characters.

I noticed almost half a page of one character "denying to comment" delaying answer and using legal shield to combat leading questions. Really? Is is really so unbeliveable that someone does not want to answer inquiries from the journalistic credibility of M.r Webb? Additionally, I read another 5 minutes worth of content speaking directly towards a seperate and as of yet unrelated fraud case in an unrelated South Pacific country with no mention of it's relation to CSHD other than it fit in to his opinion of what is true investigative journalism.

Like I said... I am not impressed. May it be true? Time will tell. If proven so. I will appologise to Mr. Webb right here but personally I think it is a large load of opinion from someone that really likes to hear themselves talk.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
I believe that quoting the people in that article leaves Lee Webb wide open to a law suite if he is quoting false statements regarding what they have said. If Rufus is a "fraud", I will take and support any action necessary to put him in jail.

I'm sure Mr. Webb knows well what liability he might be exposed to. It's amazing to me that there are still those out there wanting to "shoot the messenger" with this stock. The SEC, Webb, the evil shorters, and Sto ckw a tch are not in collusion against CSHD. The company is, was, and always will be a scam. Nothing more, nothing less. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only thing left to do at this point is to protect whatever capital an investor might left, attempting to unwind the position as best as possible.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Well finally finished reading that waste of space article. Boy Webb can spin a load.

I will give him a few pats on the back. He has been able to get people who have never spoken to speak, read court documents and followed bankruptcy documents that have never been read or followed, and can name drop and twist better than the best habitual liar. (Well lookie there I can do it too. Didn't actually call him a habitual liar but by mentioning it in the same sentence I made all think I did.)

It is said that the best way to make a ficional story most believable is to give it real life characters.

I noticed almost half a page of one character "denying to comment" delaying answer and using legal shield to combat leading questions. Really? Is is really so unbeliveable that someone does not want to answer inquiries from the journalistic credibility of M.r Webb? Additionally, I read another 5 minutes worth of content speaking directly towards a seperate and as of yet unrelated fraud case in an unrelated South Pacific country with no mention of it's relation to CSHD other than it fit in to his opinion of what is true investigative journalism.

Like I said... I am not impressed. May it be true? Time will tell. If proven so. I will appologise to Mr. Webb right here but personally I think it is a large load of opinion from someone that really likes to hear themselves talk.

Right. Webb's out to get CSHD. The SEC's out to get CSHD. St o ckw a tch is out to get CSHD. The evil shorters are out to get CSHD. The bonds are real. Arlitt will turn things around.

(Have I missed any?)
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Tax ..... It would be nice to see Romeo Venditti deny these statements if they are untrue. He has seemed to disappear from site. I'd like to see any of the people in the article say the statements are false. I know that if I was in an article like that (and was misquoted)...... I would be making a lot of noise denying the quotes. Wouldn't you?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
thedoctor ~ I don't know if Romeo would deny the quotes. Reading them they sound real enough, and no one that I know has been able to even talk to Romeo so who would know if they actually sound like him. If he has CSHD shares and was supposed to be paid in said shares, I would think the lack of an S-4 would literally "screw" him. He may be unhappy with the current actions of the company. Rufus may have placed him "back" on the BOD just for that purpose. Only to be removed by John Arlitt days later.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
They CAN'T deny the quotes if they made them ... which is exactly your point, if I read your post right.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Kevin ~ don't forget yourself in that list.

Ockham's Razor
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
My bad. I forgot that I have also been accused of being part of an orchestrated bashing of the stock. I'm honored to be included on such a list. Given the choice between being on a list with the SEC, Lee Webb, and evil shorters, or being on the side of some barely literate used car salesman, a failed stock promoter, and some Italian guy named "Romeo", give me the SEC, Webb, and the shorters any day!

[edit: I use "used car salesmen" not in a literal sense, but in the sense that RPH is little more than that in the penny stock game.]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
BTW, assuming a vast conspiracy involving the SEC, an investigative journalist, various and sundry supposed naked shorters, as well as some random guy who happened to stumble upon this PoS on a message board violates the principle of Occam's Razor FAR more blatantly than assuming that CSHD is nothing more than a poorly-orchestrated sham.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I think it is strange how many good honest people are out there selflessly and tirelessly worrying about my money.

It is just a shame they all get such bad raps. [Smile]

I believe it is the one's who claim the most intelligence who like to repeat the saying, "If it is too good to be true, then it most likely is."

Everyone admits and always has that CSHD fits this model, but no one has ever commented that the "yang" is also a just fit.

Isn't it just too good to be true that someone is so dedicated to helping me make the right investment that they are willing to do so no matter what the financial impact is on them?

I mean relocating to another country could not have been easy on Tim Miles. Spending 24/7 bashing on a stock board could not have been cheap to the hundreds of dedicated bashers on this stock, wasting hundreds of man hours trying to get their baseless points across to potential investors.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Also BTW (and OT), Fox's medical drama House might just be the best show on T.V. What made me think of that, you ask? Well, their third episode of their first season was entitled "Occam's Razor", in which the good doctor discovers that in fact it WAS the simplest cause that caused the college boy to pass out while having sex: he was doing X. With that said, as I mentioned, Webb's investigative discoveries far better fit the facts at hand (and are much simpler, when boiled down to the basics) than assuming all of the postulates that have to be true for CSHD to actually have what they claimed they have.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
You're a hoot, TB! Keep it up! I've rarely been so entertained by someone so completely out of touch with reality. This stock has no "financial impact" on me. I discuss it because it's there to be discussed.

You're violating the Razor with every post you make, further extrapolating the vast conspiracy that has brought down CSHD.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Lee Webb never replied to my email once I asked him how much money hes lost in CSHD and why he resorted to personal attacks vs. logical though to evaluate the stock.

Quick to reply to all other comments about it.

Funny.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Yeah, Tim. It's all Webb's fault. It's all those "personal attacks" he's making, based completely on the facts at hand. Yeah. It's "funny."
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
There you go again Kevin .... You're repeating yourself. You don't own any stock. Let people that own the stock discuss it. Stop interfering with us. This is where you start becoming a pest. Show your great IQ (that you claim) and show a little class. Go away. You said what you said... we read it .... now GO like a big boy.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I'll go--or stay--at my own leisure, thanks. There's no requirement--nor should there be--at AS that someone be invested in a stock to discuss it.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Then your only purpose here to what? We don't want your advice. In fact, you are starting to look more and more like a fool. Grow up and realize that you are a very annoying person. There is no way that a person with the IQ you claim to have, would continue to be and act the way you do. Take the suggestion .... Stop making yourself look bad. Good night.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Yeah, Tim. It's all Webb's fault. It's all those "personal attacks" he's making, based completely on the facts at hand. Yeah. It's "funny."

Personal attacks does not need to be in quotes when you read his words. He makes his intentions quite clear.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Then your only purpose here to what? We don't want your advice. In fact, you are starting to look more and more like a fool. Grow up and realize that you are a very annoying person. There is no way that a person with the IQ you claim to have, would continue to be and act the way you do. Take the suggestion .... Stop making yourself look bad. Good night.

My only purpose here is to discuss this stock. Can't get more Occam's Razor than that.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
Yeah, Tim. It's all Webb's fault. It's all those "personal attacks" he's making, based completely on the facts at hand. Yeah. It's "funny."

Personal attacks does not need to be in quotes when you read his words. He makes his intentions quite clear.
It's not a "personal attack" if it's true. For instance, if John Doe robbed the local Wachovia, is it a "personal attack" to point that out when he subsequently turns up with an unexplained $150K? Hardly. In the same way, Webb pointing out the true nature of the characters involved in the sordid soap opera that is CSHD is not a "personal attack", but a litany of their bad behavior, and general lack of intelligence (in the case of RPH).
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
You are discussing it because it is there to be discussed? And you say that Ockham's Razor has no justification? You are the one making me laugh.

I read and contribute on this thread because I invested in CSHD and am interested in news good or bad, verifyable, or speculation about that investment. That is a simple and reasonable reason for someone to be on this thread.

but you on the other hand expect all to believe that you are here because you have stumbled over this thread and found the conversation so cerebral, friendly and inviting. That you will post negatively for hours into the night and pretty much all day about a company that is not benefiting you at all?

It is no wonder so many people flock to the other simple explainations as to your interest in this thread. 1. You are paid to be here. 2. You just like to fight. or 3. A little bit of both 1 and 2 and just refuse other forms of therapy.

I any one of those cases it is not worth my time to debate with you which is why I normally just ignore your baseless comments.

GLTA enjoy the rest of your evening Kevin, I know I will.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
You're quite humorous, TB. You evidently have no understanding of the nature of Occam's Razor. It points to the fact that the simplest explanations are most often true. It holds in this case. I like to discuss stocks. This stock is widely discussed and debated. Therefore, I discuss this stock. Your wild ass theories aside, it's as simple as that. I suggest you google Occam's Razor, and make sure you fully understand what it entails before using it in further discussion.

For the record, my comments here have not been "baseless" in any way. They've been rooted in the reality of the sham cast of characters that have brought CSHD to the point at which it is today.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
If you cant see the personal attacks by mr webb then i cant help you kevin.

CSHD never disclosed the education level of rufus.
Alexander never said he "washed his hands clean".
CSHD never said what experience was required for CEO position.
CSHD never released a PR titled "comedy skit 101"
CSHD never PRd mentioned its starry-eyed followers.

Therefore, his articles are not remotely true.

Speaking of lee webb, i need to shave my pubes tonight.

Goodnight all,
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
You are quite a guy, Tim. I think it's safe to assume whatever CSHD "disclosed" or "said" or "released" or "PRd" is probably a lie. I just find it incredible that you can't see the irony in your contention that Lee Webb referring to "starry-eyed followers" is a lie. TIM! YOU are a "starry-eyed follower"!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
He is not only your messenger, but your lord and god as well and you should worship him as such.
Webb the almighty messenger reminds me of Tim Miles who brags about all the DD he did after admitting that he did'nt do any at all.


quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
I believe that quoting the people in that article leaves Lee Webb wide open to a law suite if he is quoting false statements regarding what they have said. If Rufus is a "fraud", I will take and support any action necessary to put him in jail.

I'm sure Mr. Webb knows well what liability he might be exposed to. It's amazing to me that there are still those out there wanting to "shoot the messenger" with this stock. The SEC, Webb, the evil shorters, and Sto ckw a tch are not in collusion against CSHD. The company is, was, and always will be a scam. Nothing more, nothing less. I've said it before, and I'll say it again: the only thing left to do at this point is to protect whatever capital an investor might left, attempting to unwind the position as best as possible.

 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
6-

Then deconstruct the article. Show where he's mistaken, point-by-point. Prove what he writes is not true. He has backed up his research with phone calls, interview, e-mails, etc. So prove him wrong.
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Stock watch, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Zero Credibility [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]


http://www
.courts.gov.bc.ca/scripts/search/qsumrhit.htw?CiWebHitsFile=/jdb-txt/ca/05/04/20 05bcca0467.htm&CiRestriction=stock

watch&CiQueryFile=/scripts/search/queryhit.idq&CiBeginHilite=%3CFONT%20COLOR=%22 %23FF0000%22%3E%3CB%3E%3CEM%3E&CiEndHilite=%3C/EM%3E%3C/B%3E%3C/FONT%3E&CiUserPa ram3=/search/search.asp
(remove the spaces)

If you bashers had even a remote amount of sense, you would ask yourself why stock watch keep shooting a seemingly dead animal!!!???
[Eek!]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
KB

These sociological tendencies you debut are signs of weakness.........
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
Good morning board

Don't Kevin Bailey remind you of the guy who
hogs the mic at karaoke?
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
Good morning board

Don't Kevin Bailey remind you of the guy who
hogs the mic at karaoke?

Ha ~
I'm waiting for the foundation to be laid, John's the man, if things really are as I have heard, CSHD will be the BIGGEST % gain I make in 2007, hands down....

-and I've made quite a bit on flip-flops here, in some 100%'ers again, PBLS finally took off, that was the last one on my old pic list!

GL Board ~
Chart
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
Good morning board

Don't Kevin Bailey remind you of the guy who
hogs the mic at karaoke?

Ha ~
I'm waiting for the foundation to be laid, John's the man, if things really are as I have heard, CSHD will be the BIGGEST % gain I make in 2007, hands down....

-and I've made quite a bit on flip-flops here, in some 100%'ers again, PBLS finally took off, that was the last one on my old pic list!

GL Board ~
Chart

I think you've been staring at your charts too long...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
6-

Then deconstruct the article. Show where he's mistaken, point-by-point. Prove what he writes is not true. He has backed up his research with phone calls, interview, e-mails, etc. So prove him wrong.

So, you just blindly believe in this guys article....his alleged research and all? Thats the kind of blind faith CSHD is looking for!! Welcome aboard!

I dont need someone like Webb to point out things on CSHD, ive done my own DD. Be careful what you choose to believe. Im not saying his article is all false but its mostly specualtion still....unless of course he has insider info.
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
... Dr. Ager, the Josh property and the events with Delgratia — re-named Central Minera Mining Corp. [3] Dr. Ager successfully sued the owner of **********, Canjex Publishing Ltd., the author, Mr. Mudry, and the editor, Mr. Woods, in defamation. In reasons for judgment that may be found at ...


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

... $50,000 against Canjex and Mr. Woods only; a mandatory injunction requiring the removal of the defamatory passages in the articles from **********'s Internet site; and special costs. [4] In this appeal Canjex, Mr. Mudry and Mr. Woods contend that the learned trial judge erred in finding ...


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

... conduct would harm the reputation of any geophysicist in the mining industry. I find, therefore, that the allegations set out in the ********** articles are defamatory. [20] While agreeing that the articles implicated Dr. Ager in a failure to disclose, the appellants contend that the ...

************ = stock watch
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Good morning folks.

Looks like the kevin Bailey show again today. No thanks.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Exactly Doni ~ morning all. Did anyone get a chance to read the letter I posted from Senator Pat Roberts last night? I thought it was very encouraging to know that there are Elected officials who are actively holding their whistles at ready.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It would be real proper to hear from the new CEO about how things are looking or something. Considering the last CEO was about to dump whatever this is into the lap of the SEC so that they could toy with it.
Give us some views or something.
Being as this is Tut at the reins are we supposed to read between the lines for clues and hints or what?
For instance he put out PRs about refilings and so on. Is that supposed to mean that everything is OK?

If any non owners of this stock don't like this don't read it.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
It was quite a nice letter there Tax...very unexpected from our elected leaders. Too bad we can't expect them all to work like this. Thanks for typing it up for us all to see.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
6-

Then deconstruct the article. Show where he's mistaken, point-by-point. Prove what he writes is not true. He has backed up his research with phone calls, interview, e-mails, etc. So prove him wrong.

So, you just blindly believe in this guys article....his alleged research and all? Thats the kind of blind faith CSHD is looking for!! Welcome aboard!

I dont need someone like Webb to point out things on CSHD, ive done my own DD. Be careful what you choose to believe. Im not saying his article is all false but its mostly specualtion still....unless of course he has insider info.

No, it's based upon his RESEARCH into a VERY shady company. It's too bad you continue to believe in this company, even as it becomes clear it was nothing more than a sham.

As for Arlitt, Chart Walker? Are you JOKING? Do you just think that Webb is making up Arlitt's history?!? He's a scam artist, nothing more, nothing less. And you all wonder why Webb referred to you guys as "starry-eyed dreamers" ...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
To Whom This May Concern {anyone from SHC or from The company} All of your dedicated shareholders would or should say need SOME word on where we stand.We would appreciate ANYTHING. We have been patient as you have requested, but enough is enough.Not only do we not know if there is still a company, we are now turning against each other.As you know , some have a lot of money riding on this. Do you really think you are being fair to the loyal followers? I will repeat "enough is enough" Thank you for your time.

A new day,the same request.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: HA HA!! Now that is how you go out and get a Top-Noch SEC Attourney and tell your shareholders about it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=akwlQ48bLJqk&refer=home
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/news.jsp?url=fis_story.asp%3Ftextpath%3DCOMTEX%5 Ciw%5C2006%5C12%5C12%5C86828267.html%26clientid%3D168%26provider%3DInternet_Wire &symbol=CSHD
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
CSHD (.20) Updates Shareholders on the Annual Meeting Scheduled for December 17, 2006

Market Wire "US Press Releases "

LAKE DALLAS, TX -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 12/12/06 -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the shareholder meeting scheduled for December 17, 2006, must be postponed. We will announce the future meeting at a later date. We apologize for any inconvenience this causes.

About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at http://www.cvsu.us/.

Conversion Solutions Holding Corp. Safe Harbor Statement

Information provided in this press release may contain statements relating to current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based upon management's current estimates and projections of future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the date hereof, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

Contact:
John Arlitt
Chairman, CEO
Conversion Solutions Holding Corp.
Email Contact via http://www.marketwire.com/mw/emailprcntct?id=531D52C7AD68A4EA
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
I'm not surprised that the meeting was canceled....
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
The shareholder's meeting was cancelled?!? What a SHOCKER!!!! [Eek!] [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Exactly Doni ~ morning all. Did anyone get a chance to read the letter I posted from Senator Pat Roberts last night? I thought it was very encouraging to know that there are Elected officials who are actively holding their whistles at ready.

Yes, i did. Thanks for sharing that with us. [Smile]
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
"LAKE DALLAS, TX -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 12/12/06 -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the shareholder meeting scheduled for December 17, 2006, must be ***** "postponed" ***** . We will announce the future meeting at a later date. We apologize for any inconvenience this causes."


PLEASE use the Queen's English correctly!!!
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
share holder meeting postponed? I KNEW that would happen, posted that opinion/prediction THE DAY it was PR`d LOL!!! I must be psychic!! LOL!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Mark it down: I'm saying right here that "postponed" (in this case) means "cancelled."
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
It "had" to be...

January ~ [Big Grin]
Then look for your PR IMO [Smile]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
WOW that was informative.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Not much of a PR but at least someone is alive over there...LOL
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Whatever postponed canceled, if they want one they can recall one, who needs it anyway.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
6-

Then deconstruct the article. Show where he's mistaken, point-by-point. Prove what he writes is not true. He has backed up his research with phone calls, interview, e-mails, etc. So prove him wrong.

So, you just blindly believe in this guys article....his alleged research and all? Thats the kind of blind faith CSHD is looking for!! Welcome aboard!

I dont need someone like Webb to point out things on CSHD, ive done my own DD. Be careful what you choose to believe. Im not saying his article is all false but its mostly specualtion still....unless of course he has insider info.

No, it's based upon his RESEARCH into a VERY shady company. It's too bad you continue to believe in this company, even as it becomes clear it was nothing more than a sham.

As for Arlitt, Chart Walker? Are you JOKING? Do you just think that Webb is making up Arlitt's history?!? He's a scam artist, nothing more, nothing less. And you all wonder why Webb referred to you guys as "starry-eyed dreamers" ...

You have your doubts or you wouldnt still be posting here. You are nothing but a gawker stopping up traffic over an incident that you have no involvement with. If you were confident how this is going to end you would have posted your opinion and moved on. However, i need to keep in mind that you feed off of the bickering YOU create on this board. You try to come off as some innocent bystander with people attacking you but in reality you are here egging it on EVERY day.

Up until know i actually read what you have to say in hopes that maybe some sense would come out of it. Your ramblings are now totally useless to me. Your narcissistic behavior is sickening, what names did you post under on the other boards KB?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
KB canceled is one L.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
WAY TO GO JOHN! This was really needed to keep the company out of further trouble.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Ockham’s Razor or Occam’s Razor however you wish to spell it.

Our Repo wanna-be is a loner who enjoys stock discussion so much that he is willing to debate all day and all night on a small grey sheet stock board that in his eyes has no future, is hardly news worthy, and is a waste of everyone’s time and money. Including his own selfless and tireless efforts to latch on to other basher publications as his own extensive DD.

Or he has some other financial based agenda that is keeping him vigilant to the happenings of this security.

I have lived several years by the wisdom of Ockham’s Razor. I hardly need a Google search to understand it’s meaning. Others on this board on the other hand should Google for a hobby, because the one they currently claim to have. “Discussing stocks.” is hardly suitable for someone with no financial interest, and no ability to dig up their own information. If they are so smart, why did they not bring up Humanitarian Scientific’s bankruptcy hearings when we all looked into their history a few months ago. It would have been helpful then, rather than latching on to the unverifiable words of a pseudo journalist with a criminal past.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Appologies Repoman75 this guy could never, and should never be compared to you. You are your own bag of crazy. This board would be a lesser place without your input. Where would we be if we didn't have our quotes from Bruce Springsting. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by jmoe20 on :
 
Taxback is getting mad now that he knows his company is a fraud and he lost thousands !!! [Embarrassed] .... I said it once and i'll continue saying it... I got out at .55 cents.. what a relief!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I wonder if we should take it as a good sign now that these stupid bashers are showing up again....let us live...let us die...but for god's sake let us BE!!!!!!!!!


Not posting much because I really don't enjoy The Kevin Bailey Show!!! I wish it was canceled....
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Ockham’s Razor or Occam’s Razor however you wish to spell it.

Our Repo wanna-be is a loner who enjoys stock discussion so much that he is willing to debate all day and all night on a small grey sheet stock board that in his eyes has no future, is hardly news worthy, and is a waste of everyone’s time and money. Including his own selfless and tireless efforts to latch on to other basher publications as his own extensive DD.

Or he has some other financial based agenda that is keeping him vigilant to the happenings of this security.

I have lived several years by the wisdom of Ockham’s Razor. I hardly need a Google search to understand it’s meaning. Others on this board on the other hand should Google for a hobby, because the one they currently claim to have. “Discussing stocks.” is hardly suitable for someone with no financial interest, and no ability to dig up their own information. If they are so smart, why did they not bring up Humanitarian Scientific’s bankruptcy hearings when we all looked into their history a few months ago. It would have been helpful then, rather than latching on to the unverifiable words of a pseudo journalist with a criminal past.

people who DD`d Humanitarian Scientific probably found that info but did not post it because it did not fit the rosey picture posters were painting for the company, I did find some interesting negatives associated with these guys and i PM`d it to a frustrated poster who forwarded that info to others. the reason i did not post what i learned is simple, I did not feel like being berated as a basher. as i had been before for posting question marks about this companies claims. in fact YOU i beleive called me a " sad little man " when i posted questioning the valdity of the DD purporting to "prove" bond ownership saying i must be ignorant! and so forth! alot of relavent DD fails to get posted for this reason, my general rule has become NEVER to post varifiable NEGATIVE DD during a run because supporters and or pumpers will ALWAYS refer to sutch posts as bashing!! so now i just PM those I feel would actualy WANT to know whatever i might find.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Chart you have a PM.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
Good morning board

Don't Kevin Bailey remind you of the guy who
hogs the mic at karaoke?

Ha ~
I'm waiting for the foundation to be laid, John's the man, if things really are as I have heard, CSHD will be the BIGGEST % gain I make in 2007, hands down....

-and I've made quite a bit on flip-flops here, in some 100%'ers again, PBLS finally took off, that was the last one on my old pic list!

GL Board ~
Chart

K, when you say, "my old pic list!", I would assume your meaning other peoples pics along with your "charting skills".
At times it sounds like your claiming those pics for your own.
Just clarifying.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmoe20:
Taxback is getting mad now that he knows his company is a fraud and he lost thousands !!! [Embarrassed] .... I said it once and i'll continue saying it... I got out at .55 cents.. what a relief!!!!!!

I am not mad... and financially I am not hurt. Personally I still think "getting out" at any price is premature at this point unless you just enjoy losing money. The SEC has not been convinced and justice has not been served one way or another as of yet.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
MadMoney- you are definately NOT a basher....just a MAD investor & that's perfectly ok!!!

I still don't understand the Humanitarian thing....I think it was before my time....(before my buying in time, that is)
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Madmoney, i post things that dont fit the rosey picture anytime i come across them. For example, the "other" humanitarian group CEOTA had my attention for quite some time. They are allegedly responsible for initiating the Amazon log LOI with Fronthaul. They have NO history and their website www.ceota.com is currently "under construction", which i find interesting because it went under construction after a few of us on this board questioned the website and its lack of maintentance.

Anyway, the reason i bring this up is, as far as we know CEOTA was Pre-Rufus. In fact, in an early M N 1 interview Mike Alexander explains that he has a close contact in CEOTA which led to the LOI. I personally believe that Randy Mosely was this contact. So, if CEOTA isnt a real organization then how far back do we need to go to get to the bottom of all of this?

I'll be watching ceota.com to see if it ever comes out of construction. If it does then ill hope for news on Ecowood there. It if doent, ill again be questioning the validity of the CEOTA organization.
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
Just a thought, maybe people spend time bashing this stock, without owning a share, to bring the pps down for the bargain hunters that pay them.

As much as I would like to see only share owners or legitimate shorts be able to post here, all information good or bad should be evaluated from any source. It's up to us individually to decide the importance of such information ... so far I see little, if any, information from these bashers. Side by side, the information by the CSHD longs over the past several months is of far greater gravity than what the bashers have brought.

JA has had time to get closer information. If in fact all is fruitless, I think he wouldn't waste his time further. I wouldn't be suprised if Rufus, Ben and John, etal., are working hard behind the curtain ... personally I'll wait patiently for further information! JMO & GLTA!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
my general rule has become NEVER to post varifiable NEGATIVE DD during a run because supporters and or pumpers will ALWAYS refer to sutch posts as bashing!!

That is a pretty stupid rule. The key word there is "verifiable"... I think all I or anyone has ever asked was provide a creditable source. A link to someone who is attached to the company, hasn't been sued for stock manipulation in the past, or if it were not so much trouble a filing with a financial, legal, or government body. Saying "Lee Webb said so" or "Tim Miles said so" is like saying "I got this great opinion from this really biased source. Wanna hear it?"

Personally, I do not remember calling you a "sad little man" but it does sound like me. So for that I will say I am sorry. I honestly do not know your disposition, or physical size... but if you have "verifiable" information "Bad" or "Good" post it, PM it, or keep it to yourself it is no matter.

If any of the information was out there other than the public Missouri information on Brown, and it did not show up on this board earlier, do not expect to be able to say "I told you so." because in effect no one other than Webb has posted any information on HWSF's financial histories that was not positive.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
Good morning board

Don't Kevin Bailey remind you of the guy who
hogs the mic at karaoke?

Ha ~
I'm waiting for the foundation to be laid, John's the man, if things really are as I have heard, CSHD will be the BIGGEST % gain I make in 2007, hands down....

-and I've made quite a bit on flip-flops here, in some 100%'ers again, PBLS finally took off, that was the last one on my old pic list!

GL Board ~
Chart

K, when you say, "my old pic list!", I would assume your meaning other peoples pics along with your "charting skills".
At times it sounds like your claiming those pics for your own.
Just clarifying.

No Moneyx3, I mean "MY" PERSONAL PIC's...
People right HERE have gotten them in PM's, they are the ones who have told me to start threads on them and I have. Like PBLS on the HOT board, Nov. 28th. See what it's doing ~
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=pbls&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p61912649669

I'm now up 100% in that one too ~
PYTO, ask Repo about that one, -another 100%'er...
I said PAIM would run, it did 60%. -my smallest gainer. The charts and indicators on my pic's look the same, it's no accident.

Not only that I TELL people just what to look for in the chart and indicators, and WHY...
"-why do I do that?" -why not? [Smile]

I would love to have everyone picking these so I could skim over all of them and pick the "cream of the crop." And all us buying in together just helps the momentum.

"Everybody wins" [Smile]

GLTY
Chart ~
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Hey chart? why not start a thread here on the Hot topics board...like catus has for bottom busters..
Start them each Monday...and keep them goin'... [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Hey chart? why not start a thread here on the Hot topics board...like catus has for bottom busters..
Start them each Monday...and keep them goin'... [Smile]

Good Idea 10, I second that motion!!!!!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I have a question? On 11-17-06 a PR was released from the company.Rufus was CEO at that time. In the release it stated that on 12-17-06, There would be an emergency shareholders meeting in Washington. Shouldn't there be a follow up PR from the company cancelling this or confirming it's still on? We assume that because no one received the e-mails 10 days prior to the 17th, that it is cancelled, but no PR? Why , once again are we not hearing anything? My main question is, can we be in more trouble from the SEC? I'm not "up" on the rules.Just seems to me that an official PR from the COMPANY , who ever is the new CEO now to date ,may have been needed or at the very least wanted from the shareholders.

Okay, that question is answered. How about this one? Does anyone know who is on the SHC, besides Mark?
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
All in favor! [Big Grin]

I would have to back Chart up here, MoneyX3 - he has been especially helpful in pointing me toward places to learn about charting and some picks to cut my teeth on...GLTA!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
gee KB? i thought you said you don't attack people or tell them they are stupid?

we seem to have a problem right here.

this post goes far beyond common decency..

or did i miss some personal attck on you that triggered this outrage?

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You're a hoot, TB! Keep it up! I've rarely been so entertained by someone so completely out of touch with reality. This stock has no "financial impact" on me. I discuss it because it's there to be discussed.

You're violating the Razor with every post you make, further extrapolating the vast conspiracy that has brought down CSHD.


 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I have a question? On 11-17-06 a PR was released from the company.Rufus was CEO at that time. In the release it stated that on 12-17-06, There would be an emergency shareholders meeting in Washington. Shouldn't there be a follow up PR from the company cancelling this or confirming it's still on? We assume that because no one received the e-mails 10 days prior to the 17th, that it is cancelled, but no PR? Why , once again are we not hearing anything? My main question is, can we be in more trouble from the SEC? I'm not "up" on the rules.Just seems to me that an official PR from the COMPANY , who ever is the new CEO now to date ,may have been needed or at the very least wanted from the shareholders.

Okay, that question is answered. How about this one? Does anyone know who is on the SHC, besides Mark?
I know there are a couple of people from paltalk that are on the SHC.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
glass ~ you missed it... I popped him in the eye right before that burst. Man my reflexes are still lightening quick in my old age. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
All in favor! [Big Grin]

I would have to back Chart up here, MoneyX3 - he has been especially helpful in pointing me toward places to learn about charting and some picks to cut my teeth on...GLTA!

Who needs backing???
I am merely stating that in fact JimSC has named PBLS long ago and didn't feel Chart had all "rights" to claim it as "his" pick. Anyone can attempt to read charts and he so happens to be good at it. Very well then, go ahead and follow. Nothing wrong with that as long as you do your own DD.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
just never mind... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
gee KB? i thought you said you don't attack people or tell them they are stupid?

we seem to have a problem right here.

this post goes far beyond common decency..

or did i miss some personal attck on you that triggered this outrage?

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You're a hoot, TB! Keep it up! I've rarely been so entertained by someone so completely out of touch with reality. This stock has no "financial impact" on me. I discuss it because it's there to be discussed.

You're violating the Razor with every post you make, further extrapolating the vast conspiracy that has brought down CSHD.


This is vicious?
Hey Repo! He called me a "Hoot"... It really hurt. [Frown] I think that is one of a pair of "Hooters". [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Yeah really, what is all this BS about "who" claimed "what"?? Glassman is hung up on that too.

Listen, any MORON can post "Hey, check out XYZ, going to the mooon!" But its people like MYSELF, Chart and others who follow up that post with either good F/A or T/A. You have to learn to follow a pick AFTER the experts have "run it through" so to speak, and give credit to THEM...
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
Great point Repo, especially with all the ranting and raving going on and no DD!!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
gee KB? i thought you said you don't attack people or tell them they are stupid?

we seem to have a problem right here.

this post goes far beyond common decency..

or did i miss some personal attck on you that triggered this outrage?

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You're a hoot, TB! Keep it up! I've rarely been so entertained by someone so completely out of touch with reality. This stock has no "financial impact" on me. I discuss it because it's there to be discussed.

You're violating the Razor with every post you make, further extrapolating the vast conspiracy that has brought down CSHD.


Saying someone's "out of touch with reality" is NOT the same as calling them "stupid." TB actually seems to be pretty intelligent. He's just in denial over what's happening with CSHD.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Yeah really, what is all this BS about "who" claimed "what"?? Glassman is hung up on that too.

Listen, any MORON can post "Hey, check out XYZ, going to the mooon!" But its people like MYSELF, Chart and others who follow up that post with either good F/A or T/A. You have to learn to follow a pick AFTER the experts have "run it through" so to speak, and give credit to THEM...

LOL repo... you are a legend in your own mind....

i am not "hung up" on who said what... the proper term is total recall...
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Hey 10! [Smile]
Yeah, I've told some that I may do that in 2007.
I have started some threads, PBLS is my baby right now. Beat the micro board by 2 weeks with that call! ha ha ~~

It's a very simple method, uses a 3-4 indicators, has to have a MACD BELOW it's center zero line (cause breakouts happen there as they cross, look at ANY stock) nice volume, Improving Money Flow, Stochastic has to be laying on the ground with a cross positive, steady Acc/Distr. and a low price.

Cause chances are a .01 stock going to .02 and bagging you a profit of 100% has a better chance then a $3 or $10 stock doubling in price.

"Perfect storm"

Anyone knows a stock that has all these things is going up... -Study breakouts, the STRONG runners all have these things in common.

-how simple is that?...

Now no one needs me [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
LMAO ~~

[don't think these are on the boards;)]
EPGL was another, in fact climbing again!
PHEI popped once, -it'll pop again, -MONEY Flow is positive now [Big Grin]
Have a look, perfect set up!
http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?phei

Not magic, just common sense ~

I wish everyone here a Happy & SAFE Holiday!

Chart ~
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
All in favor! [Big Grin]

I would have to back Chart up here, MoneyX3 - he has been especially helpful in pointing me toward places to learn about charting and some picks to cut my teeth on...GLTA!

Who needs backing???
I am merely stating that in fact JimSC has named PBLS long ago and didn't feel Chart had all "rights" to claim it as "his" pick. Anyone can attempt to read charts and he so happens to be good at it. Very well then, go ahead and follow. Nothing wrong with that as long as you do your own DD.

Whoa!
Money... my date on the HOT board for PBLS is Nov 28th...

On the micro board the first post is in Dec!

-I think you said a bad.....
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
just never mind... [Big Grin]

Exactly, and as Chart said himself, chart reading is common sense. If people DD'd and knew how there would be no need of "following". LOL [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
gee KB? i thought you said you don't attack people or tell them they are stupid?

we seem to have a problem right here.

this post goes far beyond common decency..

or did i miss some personal attck on you that triggered this outrage?

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You're a hoot, TB! Keep it up! I've rarely been so entertained by someone so completely out of touch with reality. This stock has no "financial impact" on me. I discuss it because it's there to be discussed.

You're violating the Razor with every post you make, further extrapolating the vast conspiracy that has brought down CSHD.


Glass-

Tell me you're joking. I said he was "out of touch with reality" and that post goes "far beyond common decency"?!?!? I make a point of how he's violating Occam's Razor--which he brought into the discussion--and that's "far beyond common decency"?!?!? Have you not SEEN how people treat those who don't just prop up CSHD on this thread? If not, let me tell you, it's FAR worse than what I wrote.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
All in favor! [Big Grin]

I would have to back Chart up here, MoneyX3 - he has been especially helpful in pointing me toward places to learn about charting and some picks to cut my teeth on...GLTA!

Who needs backing???
I am merely stating that in fact JimSC has named PBLS long ago and didn't feel Chart had all "rights" to claim it as "his" pick. Anyone can attempt to read charts and he so happens to be good at it. Very well then, go ahead and follow. Nothing wrong with that as long as you do your own DD.

Whoa!
Money... my date on the HOT board for PBLS is Nov 28th...

On the micro board the first post is in Dec!

-I think you said a bad.....

I'm sorry I did say a bad... It wasn't Jim it was rider, back on Nov 5th, 2005.
Here's the link for your "bad", [Big Grin] :

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/2/t/009713.html?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
just never mind... [Big Grin]

Exactly, and as Chart said himself, chart reading is common sense. If people DD'd and knew how there would be no need of "following". LOL [Big Grin]
Perhaps the "Cult" needs someone else to follow now that their fearless leader Rufus has let them down...

I don't want them following me (next thing you know, they'll be camping out on my front lawn).

Who would be a suitable leader for the cult... hmmm.... who..... on this board... who...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Yeah really, what is all this BS about "who" claimed "what"?? Glassman is hung up on that too.

Listen, any MORON can post "Hey, check out XYZ, going to the mooon!" But its people like MYSELF, Chart and others who follow up that post with either good F/A or T/A. You have to learn to follow a pick AFTER the experts have "run it through" so to speak, and give credit to THEM...

Agreed... except for the "experts" comment. [Big Grin]

No... I think it is important for everyone to have a list of stocks they are investigating. If they decide to share the list of their favorites with us, and then over the course of time find out that the stock has done well. They should beable to refer back to their original list of stocks and "pat" themselves on the back with out having to prove where they recieved the original nudge. It is up to the rest of us to "pay attention" to who we classify as "experts".

Chart and Repo have earned their status respectively.

Because in most cases NASD and the SEC through EDGAR takes real responsibility for introducing us to most of these securities. [Smile]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
-and the people that "don't" know how to read indicators.... "Where do they go?"

I'm not trying to be "somebody" I just pic stocks that have solid charts and indicators. And as the days or weeks go on I let people know just what I think the indicators are telling us, always "IMO"

-why do I feel like I'm being attacked here for doing good and helping people out?...

Well, I have better things to do, another thread I started AVTI is up 20% today, Good luck all ~
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
just never mind... [Big Grin]

Exactly, and as Chart said himself, chart reading is common sense. If people DD'd and knew how there would be no need of "following". LOL [Big Grin]
Money - that was exactly the only point I was trying to make is that some people ask others for help and get a polite (or not so polite) door slammed in their face, and some, like Chart, are more than willing to help others LEARN HOW....Chart has given me "picks" to illustrate points of charting more so than a common book does. I was doing my own digging on fundamentals and while I made decent returns, I like the logic of charting better.

Not everyone pops out of the womb being a stock god or goddess - you have to learn sometime, and while that may make you a "follower", sometimes it is a necessity.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
KB? i'm not sure what you mean by "prop up" there isn't anything to prop up.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
just never mind... [Big Grin]

Ok SherriT. I second that 10 [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Umm...not only do some "need" you...but most want you...(no sexual comment)
You are very helpful in your posts and I think that you starting a thread would do wonders for an awful lot of peeps!

[Smile]


quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Hey 10! [Smile]
Yeah, I've told some that I may do that in 2007.
I have started some threads, PBLS is my baby right now. Beat the micro board by 2 weeks with that call! ha ha ~~

It's a very simple method, uses a 3-4 indicators, has to have a MACD BELOW it's center zero line (cause breakouts happen there as they cross, look at ANY stock) nice volume, Improving Money Flow, Stochastic has to be laying on the ground with a cross positive, steady Acc/Distr. and a low price.

Cause chances are a .01 stock going to .02 and bagging you a profit of 100% has a better chance then a $3 or $10 stock doubling in price.

"Perfect storm"

Anyone knows a stock that has all these things is going up... -Study breakouts, the STRONG runners all have these things in common.

-how simple is that?...

Now no one needs me [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
LMAO ~~

[don't think these are on the boards;)]
EPGL was another, in fact climbing again!
PHEI popped once, -it'll pop again, -MONEY Flow is positive now [Big Grin]
Have a look, perfect set up!
http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?phei

Not magic, just common sense ~

I wish everyone here a Happy & SAFE Holiday!

Chart ~


 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
just never mind... [Big Grin]

Exactly, and as Chart said himself, chart reading is common sense. If people DD'd and knew how there would be no need of "following". LOL [Big Grin]
Perhaps the "Cult" needs someone else to follow now that their fearless leader Rufus has let them down...

I don't want them following me (next thing you know, they'll be camping out on my front lawn).

Who would be a suitable leader for the cult... hmmm.... who..... on this board... who...

LOL, very nice Repo. I would have to vote NO ONE on this thread except Tex, Glassman, and yourself [Wink] !!!
See ya on other threads, I'm outta here to teach myself new charting techniques through reading and comprehension.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
re 10 of 13's post: i second that Chart...

re MX3's post: not me thanx...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
KB? i'm not sure what you mean by "prop up" there isn't anything to prop up.

I'm referring to when the way people are treated when they have the audacity to write negatively about CSHD. You know, those of us who are considered "bashers." It's FAR worse than the post of mine that you somehow claim went "far beyond common decency."
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
For the record, I've followed some of Chart Walker's posts, and he's one of the best chart readers I've seen, in any of my go-arounds on this board.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Money 3X ~ If you haven't been paying attention. No body actually votes. Just the person with the loudest voice stands up and says, "Thank you for your vote of overwhelming confidence." And a few back him and then we have a new CEO... uuh I mean leader.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Kevin? something thatt we can agree on!!!
Yeah!!!! Whoo hoo! [Wink] [Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
For the record, I've followed some of Chart Walker's posts, and he's one of the best chart readers I've seen, in any of my go-arounds on this board.


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Finally something I agree with Kevin on... Chart knows his charts. [Smile]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
You all would probably be shocked how much we agree on when we're not discussing CSHD...
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You all would probably be shocked how much we agree on when we're not discussing CSHD...

EXACTLY. Quote of the week. If it wasn't for this cancer-ridden tumor, Allstocks would be friendlier than Minneapolis.
 
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Money 3X ~ If you haven't been paying attention. No body actually votes. Just the person with the loudest voice stands up and says, "Thank you for your vote of overwhelming confidence." And a few back him and then we have a new CEO... uuh I mean leader.

LOL, no I haven't, I've been studying for the NCLEX-RN where the money be [Wink] . Thats a great and perfect comment to fit the situation!!! I agree completely!!!!!!


I think the Mods should set up a game and let us see whom the best chartists are instead of recommendations. I learn quite fast and would love a challenge.

Now I really gotta go, final on Thurs in which I plan to Ace!!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I've finally finished Webb's new fodder. I've got to re-read that first one. He sure does have some info there.

The second one about Arlitt is pretty dismal. He's got lots of info about the past companies, but he pretty much doesn't know how long John was with each. Its kind of funny that he goes all the way to these companies being delisted like John was the one that took them all the way down.

The deal where John pumped the companies on the internet isn't good, but I think we all knew about that and I think he was fined for it.

From this article, I see that John isn't a good pumper or investment relations guy. Here's hoping that he's a good CEO though.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You all would probably be shocked how much we agree on when we're not discussing CSHD...

EXACTLY. Quote of the week. If it wasn't for this cancer-ridden tumor, Allstocks would be friendlier than Minneapolis.
It won't go away though, at least until all the principal actors in the drama (read: Harris, Arlitt, etc.) have been ... umm ... vanquished. I would call them "scam artists" but I've been warned about using such terms, as Arlitt might sue me... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You all would probably be shocked how much we agree on when we're not discussing CSHD...

EXACTLY. Quote of the week. If it wasn't for this cancer-ridden tumor, Allstocks would be friendlier than Minneapolis.
repo? there's been a tumor or two (at minimum) at any given time on the board since i first came here...

how you aproach the problem is up to you...
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
wow... [blush] -thanks all... [Smile]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I've finally finished Webb's new fodder. I've got to re-read that first one. He sure does have some info there.

The second one about Arlitt is pretty dismal. He's got lots of info about the past companies, but he pretty much doesn't know how long John was with each. Its kind of funny that he goes all the way to these companies being delisted like John was the one that took them all the way down.

The deal where John pumped the companies on the internet isn't good, but I think we all knew about that and I think he was fined for it.

From this article, I see that John isn't a good pumper or investment relations guy. Here's hoping that he's a good CEO though.

I love it! "Webb's new fodder"! If you read the articles, you realize that Webb's point is that Arlitt's been involved with these kind of penny pigs before, and it's never gone real well. And this is who's going to turn CSHD around?!?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You all would probably be shocked how much we agree on when we're not discussing CSHD...

EXACTLY. Quote of the week. If it wasn't for this cancer-ridden tumor, Allstocks would be friendlier than Minneapolis.
repo? there's been a tumor or two (at minimum) at any given time on the board since i first came here...

how you aproach the problem is up to you...

I can recall two major "tumors" (if we're using that term to refer to stocks and not people) in my time on the board:

CMKM and CSHD.

I'm sure there have been others, but these two seem to dominate board discussion for no other reason than they have/had passionate followings.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
wow... [blush] -thanks all... [Smile]

Hey, I call it like I see it, and you've got serious chart reading skill. I've yet to see you make a major mistake, which is very impressive.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You all would probably be shocked how much we agree on when we're not discussing CSHD...

EXACTLY. Quote of the week. If it wasn't for this cancer-ridden tumor, Allstocks would be friendlier than Minneapolis.
repo? there's been a tumor or two (at minimum) at any given time on the board since i first came here...

how you aproach the problem is up to you...

I can recall two major "tumors" (if we're using that term to refer to stocks and not people) in my time on the board:

CMKM and CSHD.

I'm sure there have been others, but these two seem to dominate board discussion for no other reason than they have/had passionate followings.

QBID too.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I don't think I was here for QBID. I was gone for months at a time.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well I know if I had 51% of the voting shares I just may proclaim myself leader of this "tumor" and throw a huge 7.2 Billion dollar bash. That started by flying a private jumbo jet to several US airports to pick up all my friends past and present. And take them to a little town on Grand Cayman in the Cayman Islands called Hell. Where we would party till we puke.

That way when all is said and done the T-shirts would make sense. They would read, "My friend took to Hell and back and all I got is this lousy T-shirt." [Big Grin]

Let's hope this price doesn't get so low that I become that vested. HAHA!!
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
You were lucky... that was another ugly scene. I never really got into that thread or the CMKM one... lucky them. I was too busy dealing my own scam - NCDP.
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Chart walker I wanna bear your children.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wow- Some people on this thread enjoy talking to THEMSELVES!!!!


For the record: I would NEVER spend time in a thread if I did not own it UNLESS I was trying to manipulate it....

This thread has gone to the crapper!!!
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wow- Some people on this thread enjoy talking to THEMSELVES!!!!


For the record: I would NEVER spend time in a thread if I did not own it UNLESS I was trying to manipulate it....

This thread has gone to the crapper!!!

A. It has been the Port O John of Allstocks for about 3 months.

B. If the smell bothers you, perhaps you would like to visit the SLJB thread over on Micropennies... that may suit your taste.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Repo- why would I leave this thread- I'm actually a shareholder of this dead duck.....but I hoping someone knows CPR besides me.....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Agreed Jenna... I am just here listening to the crazy stuff that Taxback04 guy is talking about. Oh... wait... there I go again. Darn voices!

I am j/k you are right we have seen better days. Going to go get something to eat. Laterz...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
just never mind... [Big Grin]

Exactly, and as Chart said himself, chart reading is common sense. If people DD'd and knew how there would be no need of "following". LOL [Big Grin]
Perhaps the "Cult" needs someone else to follow now that their fearless leader Rufus has let them down...

I don't want them following me (next thing you know, they'll be camping out on my front lawn).

Who would be a suitable leader for the cult... hmmm.... who..... on this board... who...

Pick me pick me!! I make a mean BBQ!!
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Listen, one more time, EVERYONE gets scammed or beaten when they start out. Here is my "albatross" back when I started.. lost $15K on this POS. And if you read the thread, you'll see a lot of good traders today got sucked in then (including Malloy I think!).

Anyways, the point is, when a bunch of KNOWLEDGABLE people start yelling "Scam!" about your investment, don't turn a blind eye and stick your nose in the air... LISTEN, DO SOME DD, and then re evaluate. All of us have been through the ringer before (including Glassman, Tex, Doniboy, and all the other great ones), and we hate to see others go through it too... it really sucks.

Oh, and the username "Namoper" in this thread was used my cousin, not me... hehe.

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/8/ t/010453/p/1.html
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I hearby nominate Mr.C as the new Cult Leader....

Just a few questions first Mr. C....

Do you have any Kool-aid to share?
Do you own a ranch?
Do you have a large grill in your backyard?
Do you have any horses?
Do you wear cowboy boots?
Are you willing to say that the PPS will hit $100 by next Christmas?

If the answer to all of these questions are yes..

WE ARE GOLDEN!!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Man! Is that Taxback04 guy still around? Wow, what a "hoot" he is! Talk about "not being in touch with reality." Sheese... Did you hear him talking to himself.

j/k again I am really going this time.

Glad we got the meeting postponement PR. Bye...

for real this time. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
wow... [blush] -thanks all... [Smile]

Hey, I call it like I see it, and you've got serious chart reading skill. I've yet to see you make a major mistake, which is very impressive.
Thanks kevin, really.

I know you speak your mind, so that carries weight.
[Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tax- your other voice just said the same thing.....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I've finally finished Webb's new fodder. I've got to re-read that first one. He sure does have some info there.

The second one about Arlitt is pretty dismal. He's got lots of info about the past companies, but he pretty much doesn't know how long John was with each. Its kind of funny that he goes all the way to these companies being delisted like John was the one that took them all the way down.

The deal where John pumped the companies on the internet isn't good, but I think we all knew about that and I think he was fined for it.

From this article, I see that John isn't a good pumper or investment relations guy. Here's hoping that he's a good CEO though.

Ahhh but he IS a good poumper, he just doesnt pump using his real name anymore. Oddly he stopped using his real name a few years ago but we all know he didnt stop pumping. Can he be a good CEO? I hope so. It doesnt mean he isnt a pumper though IMO.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
hey repo? i never went thru the ringer...
i just got got trampled by the nekked shorts...
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Chart walker I wanna bear your children.

-I just made an azz out of myself by bursting out laughing! Good thing I was slamming a water and not a soda, -my nose would hurt!
LMAO (as I wipe off my keyboard!) [Big Grin]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmoe20:
Taxback is getting mad now that he knows his company is a fraud and he lost thousands !!! [Embarrassed] .... I said it once and i'll continue saying it... I got out at .55 cents.. what a relief!!!!!!

Thought you were never going to post again? Or was that someone else?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I hearby nominate Mr.C as the new Cult Leader....

Just a few questions first Mr. C....

Do you have any Kool-aid to share?
Do you own a ranch?
Do you have a large grill in your backyard?
Do you have any horses?
Do you wear cowboy boots?
Are you willing to say that the PPS will hit $100 by next Christmas?

If the answer to all of these questions are yes..

WE ARE GOLDEN!!!!

Do you have any Kool-aid to share?
Yes, and i make my koolaide from the waters of the Amazon River. I receive 10 trillion carbon credits for using this water.

Do you own a ranch?

I like ranch on my BBQ wings

Do you have a large grill in your backyard?

Yes, this is where i like to cook my BBQ wings. I throw a "smoke and mirror" BBQ event a couple of times a summer, check it out!

Do you have any horses?

Yes but i cant show you because its sort of complicated

Do you wear cowboy boots?

Only when dealing with my horses, but i cant tell you about that

Are you willing to say that the PPS will hit $100 by next Christmas?

Well heck yea! Buy the crap out of it!

Disclaimer - I appreciate the nomination but if this gig is going to last more than a couple of weeks im not interested.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Can't you get the PPS to at let $3.00 in a few weeks? Jees....C'mon!!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Sorry Jenna, we already had it at $4 once....now youre just being greedy.

But anyway, would you like some BBQ wings?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I don't eat wings- the veins gross me out....

But I'll eat BBQ Pork chops!!!! MMMMM...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Wow...you can tell that Rufus made it go up higher than what you are planning..he offered Lobster with special Kool-aid dipping suace at his BBQ's!
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Sorry Jenna, we already had it at $4 once....now youre just being greedy.

But anyway, would you like some BBQ wings?


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax- your other voice just said the same thing.....

Yes it is a good thing they are in agreeance. I really cuts down on the screaming inside my head. [Cool]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I'm in for a BBQ, oh will there be lobster like 10 mentioned?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't eat wings- the veins gross me out....

But I'll eat BBQ Pork chops!!!! MMMMM...

I don't like wings either, but a good steak from the grill sounds really good!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Guys... do like I did. Go get something to eat, and comeback when you are full. Your hunger is starting to show. [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't eat wings- the veins gross me out....

But I'll eat BBQ Pork chops!!!! MMMMM...

I don't like wings either, but a good steak from the grill sounds really good!
Ok, tell you what. How about everyone get together and form a BBQ committee. Then that committee can vote on wings, steak or lobster. But, you must sign a gag order stating that you will not disclose the meat of choice to any of the "regular" shareholders. If they are hungry they can eat whatever it is we choose to serve.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't eat wings- the veins gross me out....

But I'll eat BBQ Pork chops!!!! MMMMM...

I don't like wings either, but a good steak from the grill sounds really good!
Ok, tell you what. How about everyone get together and form a BBQ committee. Then that committee can vote on wings, steak or lobster. But, you must sign a gag order stating that you will not disclose the meat of choice to any of the "regular" shareholders. If they are hungry they can eat whatever it is we choose to serve.
Will we at least know who's on the committee? Is that too much to ask?
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
quote:
--------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't eat wings- the veins gross me out....

----------------------------------------------

My gut feeling is that the Fruitcake lady could offer you some pretty good advice on this part :-)
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I have never seen veins on wings- the breading at hooters covers all that stuff up.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
No Ocqueoc, we would rather not share the BBQ committee members with anyone. Just rest assured that they have your best culinary wishes in mind
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
any real good news here...

LOL

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
dollar ~ 20 minutes and no response... that should answer your question.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Ha ha!!...

Good one tax.

Some bathroom reading, another one bites the dust!
LOL ~ [jerks!]
http://www. investor sh ub.com/boards/read_msg.asp?message_id=15491479

(Remove spaces)
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
post it:

SEC Charges Hedge Fund Executive With Naked Short-Selling


14:26 EST Tuesday, December 12, 2006

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- Federal regulators sued a Dallas-based hedge-fund manager Tuesday, alleging he pulled in more than $6.5 million of gains through illegal trading involving "naked" short sales of dozens of companies.

Edwin Buchanan Lyon IV, the managing partner and chief investment officer of Gryphon Partners LP, was charged by the Securities and Exchange Commission on Tuesday, along with Gryphon and six other related firms based in Texas and Bermuda.

According to the SEC's complaint, filed in federal district court in Manhattan, from 2001 to 2004, Gryphon would engage in "naked" short sales, typically through Canada, after agreeing to invest in PIPE deals, which are private investments in public equity.

The SEC also charged Gryphon with trading on inside information on at least four PIPE deals, involving Celsion Corp. (CLN), Gentner Communications Corp., Manufacturers Service Limited and PhotoMedex Inc. (PHMD), by selling their shares short ahead of public announcement of the stock offerings.

Short selling, which involves sales of borrowed shares in hopes of replacing them later at a lower price, is legal. So-called "naked" short selling occurs when the short seller doesn't borrow shares before selling them, a practice that was legal in Canada at the time.

The SEC claimed Lyon and Gryphon engaged in deceptive sales involving at least 35 companies that sought PIPE financing, after telling those firms that the hedge fund wouldn't sell or transfer the shares it acquired through the PIPE deals. The companies included Guilford Pharmaceuticals Inc., IntelliData Technologies Inc. and Heartland Oil & Gas Corp. (HOGC).

The SEC is seeking to have Lyon and Gryphon return their allegedly ill-gotten gains, with interest, and pay civil penalties.

Ralph Ferrara, a Washington, D.C., attorney who represents the defendants, was traveling and couldn't be reached immediately for comment.

- By Judith Burns, Dow Jones Newswires, 202-862-6692; Judith.Burns* dowjones.com


many people say that writing letters to your congressperson and senators is tilting at windmills, but it's working....

whenever someone gives me a hard time about this? i just assume they work for one of the groups doing it... of course? i could be wrong... it is just an assumption....

there are a few other cases moving into the system now too...
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
the real good news is that the most we can lose is .15 more per share. Wohooooo!!!
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
An upside to everything, Doni...

Not to mention the shareholder meeting was officially postponed/cancelled/etc
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I hearby nominate Mr.C as the new Cult Leader....

Just a few questions first Mr. C....

Do you have any Kool-aid to share?
Do you own a ranch?
Do you have a large grill in your backyard?
Do you have any horses?
Do you wear cowboy boots?
Are you willing to say that the PPS will hit $100 by next Christmas?

If the answer to all of these questions are yes..

WE ARE GOLDEN!!!!

What about that blue shampoo?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't eat wings- the veins gross me out....

But I'll eat BBQ Pork chops!!!! MMMMM...

I don't like wings either, but a good steak from the grill sounds really good!
Ok, tell you what. How about everyone get together and form a BBQ committee. Then that committee can vote on wings, steak or lobster. But, you must sign a gag order stating that you will not disclose the meat of choice to any of the "regular" shareholders. If they are hungry they can eat whatever it is we choose to serve.
What happens if they try to short our meat? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Rufus took all of it when he left...
Haven't you noticed it's less "itchy" around here? I think that He was the one that might have had the lil critters...

quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I hearby nominate Mr.C as the new Cult Leader....

Just a few questions first Mr. C....

Do you have any Kool-aid to share?
Do you own a ranch?
Do you have a large grill in your backyard?
Do you have any horses?
Do you wear cowboy boots?
Are you willing to say that the PPS will hit $100 by next Christmas?

If the answer to all of these questions are yes..

WE ARE GOLDEN!!!!

What about that blue shampoo?

 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't eat wings- the veins gross me out....

But I'll eat BBQ Pork chops!!!! MMMMM...

I don't like wings either, but a good steak from the grill sounds really good!
Ok, tell you what. How about everyone get together and form a BBQ committee. Then that committee can vote on wings, steak or lobster. But, you must sign a gag order stating that you will not disclose the meat of choice to any of the "regular" shareholders. If they are hungry they can eat whatever it is we choose to serve.
What happens if they try to short our meat? [Big Grin]
[Eek!]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
MODS - Can we please, move this thread elsewhere??? Please?? It certainly does not qualify as a "Hot Stock" anymore.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
but it is a free-for-all repo...
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
post it:

SEC Charges Hedge Fund Executive With Naked Short-Selling


14:26 EST Tuesday, December 12, 2006

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- Federal regulators sued a Dallas-based hedge-fund manager Tuesday, alleging he pulled in more than $6.5 million of gains through illegal trading involving "naked" short sales of dozens of companies.

Edwin Buchanan Lyon IV, the managing partner and chief investment officer of Gryphon Partners LP, was charged by the Securities and Exchange Commission on Tuesday, along with Gryphon and six other related firms based in Texas and Bermuda.

According to the SEC's complaint, filed in federal district court in Manhattan, from 2001 to 2004, Gryphon would engage in "naked" short sales, typically through Canada, after agreeing to invest in PIPE deals, which are private investments in public equity.

The SEC also charged Gryphon with trading on inside information on at least four PIPE deals, involving Celsion Corp. (CLN), Gentner Communications Corp., Manufacturers Service Limited and PhotoMedex Inc. (PHMD), by selling their shares short ahead of public announcement of the stock offerings.

Short selling, which involves sales of borrowed shares in hopes of replacing them later at a lower price, is legal. So-called "naked" short selling occurs when the short seller doesn't borrow shares before selling them, a practice that was legal in Canada at the time.

The SEC claimed Lyon and Gryphon engaged in deceptive sales involving at least 35 companies that sought PIPE financing, after telling those firms that the hedge fund wouldn't sell or transfer the shares it acquired through the PIPE deals. The companies included Guilford Pharmaceuticals Inc., IntelliData Technologies Inc. and Heartland Oil & Gas Corp. (HOGC).

The SEC is seeking to have Lyon and Gryphon return their allegedly ill-gotten gains, with interest, and pay civil penalties.

Ralph Ferrara, a Washington, D.C., attorney who represents the defendants, was traveling and couldn't be reached immediately for comment.

- By Judith Burns, Dow Jones Newswires, 202-862-6692; Judith.Burns* dowjones.com


many people say that writing letters to your congressperson and senators is tilting at windmills, but it's working....

whenever someone gives me a hard time about this? i just assume they work for one of the groups doing it... of course? i could be wrong... it is just an assumption....

there are a few other cases moving into the system now too...

Well that should shut up the people who say naked shorting is a myth
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't eat wings- the veins gross me out....

But I'll eat BBQ Pork chops!!!! MMMMM...

I don't like wings either, but a good steak from the grill sounds really good!
Ok, tell you what. How about everyone get together and form a BBQ committee. Then that committee can vote on wings, steak or lobster. But, you must sign a gag order stating that you will not disclose the meat of choice to any of the "regular" shareholders. If they are hungry they can eat whatever it is we choose to serve.
What happens if they try to short our meat? [Big Grin]
Well, my original plan is to offer 6 free wings for every wing you already have. This will eliminate those fowl shorters once and for all!!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Well that should shut up the people who say naked shorting is a myth

the only question to answer is who's really doing it.

i have watched dozens of different plays and they don't all run in the same pattern...

for instance? i noticed a couple years ago that RS'es often RUNUP just prior to the RS...

that's a runup on BAD news... bad news that is hard to find unless you know exactly where to look....
[Wink]
 
Posted by MikeSC on :
 
Repo, what ever happened to Dardadog? Is he still around at all?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't eat wings- the veins gross me out....

But I'll eat BBQ Pork chops!!!! MMMMM...

I don't like wings either, but a good steak from the grill sounds really good!
Ok, tell you what. How about everyone get together and form a BBQ committee. Then that committee can vote on wings, steak or lobster. But, you must sign a gag order stating that you will not disclose the meat of choice to any of the "regular" shareholders. If they are hungry they can eat whatever it is we choose to serve.
I don't think I've laughed so hard in all my life!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
I have never seen veins on wings- the breading at hooters covers all that stuff up.

Once you bite into them look at the meat - those purple things that snap in your mouth- those are the veins...

(now everytime you eat a chicken wing you will think of me- that's if you can ever eat them again)
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
MODS - Can we please, move this thread elsewhere??? Please?? It certainly does not qualify as a "Hot Stock" anymore.

Careful, Repo. I was practically crucified for suggesting this a few days ago...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
but it is a free-for-all repo...

And it's supposed to be a "free for all" about HOT STOCKS, not duds.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MikeSC:
Repo, what ever happened to Dardadog? Is he still around at all?

Good question. I know he went to HSM for awihle, and then Ihub, but I haven't seen him anywhere for a long time.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey everyone - I met Hulk Hogan Sunday night....he's sooo cool!!!
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
forget it!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
I have never seen veins on wings- the breading at hooters covers all that stuff up.

Once you bite into them look at the meat - those purple things that snap in your mouth- those are the veins...

(now everytime you eat a chicken wing you will think of me- that's if you can ever eat them again)

I don't mind them too much, but when the get stuck in your teeth, it sucks [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
EEEWW Milliam- that's why I won't eat them!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
PBLS is my new baby right now.....

I WILL NOT FALL IN LOVE.....I WILL NOT FALL IN LOVE......I WILL NOT FALL IN LOVE....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I lOVE CSHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I lOVE CSHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I used to now I'm partial to PBLS....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I lOVE CSHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I used to now I'm partial to PBLS....
Ok- sorry- I sound like a PBLS pumper.....
 
Posted by jordanreed on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by MikeSC:
Repo, what ever happened to Dardadog? Is he still around at all?

Good question. I know he went to HSM for awihle, and then Ihub, but I haven't seen him anywhere for a long time.
i thinks hes got his stock web site up and running...not sure of the address tho
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Hey Jen, at least PBLS is putting some money back into our pockets....

COME ON CSHD - Halloween is over, time to shed the scary costume and resurrect da__it!
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I lOVE CSHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I used to now I'm partial to PBLS....
Ok- sorry- I sound like a PBLS pumper.....
Are you golden?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I was just being a bit facetious.....

I LOVE PBLS TOO!!!!


Since this has become anything but the CSHD thread............
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I think this should be called the B!tch and moan thread.

A couple here are good at it.........
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I think this should be called the B!tch and moan thread.

A couple here are good at it.........

Can i be a moan or are you assigning positions? [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I'll be a Bit ch, I've been called that before already....
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I think this should be called the B!tch and moan thread.

A couple here are good at it.........

Can i be a moan or are you assigning positions? [Smile]
LMAO! Nice comeback!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Surf- you in PBLS? I know Sherri & Chart are....
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Since were talking other stocks, I loved MAMA today and MIVT.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bigstocks:
Since were talking other stocks, I loved MAMA today and MIVT.

HYPF had a great day too! [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
big - I saw Mama today- GREAT pick!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
We should all meet in the PBLS thread tomorrow - we can come back to this if Tut decides to share his plans with the rest of us....

We can commence there tomorrow & talk about where we will put our money next.....
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Thanks but cant take credit for the pick just saw the momo on MAMA.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Still - Congrats on being in it at the right time....
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
MIVT was just on news.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
my general rule has become NEVER to post varifiable NEGATIVE DD during a run because supporters and or pumpers will ALWAYS refer to sutch posts as bashing!!

That is a pretty stupid rule. The key word there is "verifiable"... I think all I or anyone has ever asked was provide a creditable source. A link to someone who is attached to the company, hasn't been sued for stock manipulation in the past, or if it were not so much trouble a filing with a financial, legal, or government body. Saying "Lee Webb said so" or "Tim Miles said so" is like saying "I got this great opinion from this really biased source. Wanna hear it?"

Personally, I do not remember calling you a "sad little man" but it does sound like me. So for that I will say I am sorry. I honestly do not know your disposition, or physical size... but if you have "verifiable" information "Bad" or "Good" post it, PM it, or keep it to yourself it is no matter.

If any of the information was out there other than the public Missouri information on Brown, and it did not show up on this board earlier, do not expect to be able to say "I told you so." because in effect no one other than Webb has posted any information on HWSF's financial histories that was not positive.

That's silly, Tax...we had much of the same much info here, in early threads...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Tex ~ I have been here... I am sure I would have remembered a discussion on the three bankruptcies filed by Cason in a single year, and the Banks repoing his property.

Reading Webb's so-called article this was NEW information to me. I had all but written off Canaday and Sakili because of their pasts, but Cason checked out and even looked to be the shiny element in the HWSF deal.

I am looking into it for truth.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Surf- you in PBLS? I know Sherri & Chart are....

Hell yes I am.

The b!tch and moan comment was not to the longs.

It seems to come most from the people with no interest in this stock....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I don't know how these guys like Harris and Arlitt can keep so friggin quiet. They have to know that people want to know if this stock still has a heartbeat. As far as I'm concerned Rufus should have gave a formal explanation what his problem was or is to prove the bonds. He acts like he needs an offer he can't refuse just to communicate to the shareholders. And all this throwing his hands up at the issue does'nt look good either.

Ya it's cryin time again.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Did anyone ever question where Mike Alexander got the money to buy controlling interest in Ecowood?

Also, i posted this earlier but it still concerns me.

From the Ecowood PR

"“We have begun negotiating with Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTCBB: CSHD) for the management of our assets to make the most of this opportunity."

I know we bounce back and forth with "is it a JV or not?" but by this statement it looks to be NOT. So, if CSHDs assets turn out to be a problem and Ecowood has a real contract but is still a private company that means everyone that invested in FHAL for the log contract just lost it when Mike left.

Honestly? Thats the #1 question id like answered. If anyone knows the SHC please see if they can sort out where our log contract is.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Well, apparently they had that PIPE financing, but I don't remember how much was actually received (ie, reported as received)...

Offhand, I can't even remember what it is exactly that Alexander claims to own, that is, what it is that constitutes the Ecowood deal.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
Well, apparently they had that PIPE financing, but I don't remember how much was actually received (ie, reported as received)...

Offhand, I can't even remember what it is exactly that Alexander claims to own, that is, what it is that constitutes the Ecowood deal.

Well originally the deal was recovering logs from 100 mile stretch of the Amazon river but that letter of intent was with CEOTA. Now it seems with Ecowood he has a larger claim as well as a titanium deposit. In the PR he names "Fundamazon Fundacao De Preservacao Da Floresta Amazonica" as Ecowoods sister company and it is INCLUDED in the purchase of the Ecowood.

Anyway, i googled the Brazilian name above and i did find a Portugese site referencing some sort of licenses listing " ECOWOOD RECUPERADORA DE TORAS SUBMERSAS LTDA" as a company match. It roughly translates to "Ecowood recovering sumbersed trees LTD". Not sure what the license was for though and it appears to have expired in 2000.

Type Ecowood in the Corporate section

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Posted by T e x on :
 
ya, the common denominator with CEOTA, I believe, was/is Mosely (sp?). Seems to me, "Ecowood" itself predates, perhaps under another name...saw that mentioned, elsewhere...

"expired license": ya, I would look closely at all particulars before deciding Alexander actually has the bona fides...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
hmmm wonder whats holding rufus back from his shareholder bbQs...hes a wimp imo.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
post it:

SEC Charges Hedge Fund Executive With Naked Short-Selling


14:26 EST Tuesday, December 12, 2006

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- Federal regulators sued a Dallas-based hedge-fund manager Tuesday, alleging he pulled in more than $6.5 million of gains through illegal trading involving "naked" short sales of dozens of companies.

Edwin Buchanan Lyon IV, the managing partner and chief investment officer of Gryphon Partners LP, was charged by the Securities and Exchange Commission on Tuesday, along with Gryphon and six other related firms based in Texas and Bermuda.

According to the SEC's complaint, filed in federal district court in Manhattan, from 2001 to 2004, Gryphon would engage in "naked" short sales, typically through Canada, after agreeing to invest in PIPE deals, which are private investments in public equity.

The SEC also charged Gryphon with trading on inside information on at least four PIPE deals, involving Celsion Corp. (CLN), Gentner Communications Corp., Manufacturers Service Limited and PhotoMedex Inc. (PHMD), by selling their shares short ahead of public announcement of the stock offerings.

Short selling, which involves sales of borrowed shares in hopes of replacing them later at a lower price, is legal. So-called "naked" short selling occurs when the short seller doesn't borrow shares before selling them, a practice that was legal in Canada at the time.

The SEC claimed Lyon and Gryphon engaged in deceptive sales involving at least 35 companies that sought PIPE financing, after telling those firms that the hedge fund wouldn't sell or transfer the shares it acquired through the PIPE deals. The companies included Guilford Pharmaceuticals Inc., IntelliData Technologies Inc. and Heartland Oil & Gas Corp. (HOGC).

The SEC is seeking to have Lyon and Gryphon return their allegedly ill-gotten gains, with interest, and pay civil penalties.

Ralph Ferrara, a Washington, D.C., attorney who represents the defendants, was traveling and couldn't be reached immediately for comment.

- By Judith Burns, Dow Jones Newswires, 202-862-6692; Judith.Burns* dowjones.com


many people say that writing letters to your congressperson and senators is tilting at windmills, but it's working....

whenever someone gives me a hard time about this? i just assume they work for one of the groups doing it... of course? i could be wrong... it is just an assumption....

there are a few other cases moving into the system now too...

Nice post Glass.I know that I have learned alot about stocks from this experiance.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
yada..yada..yada
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Are my eyes deceiving me? A PR during regular business hours? I think that they need to rename the Shareholder Meeting to "Bagholder Meeting" though.

It's cancelled - That's just great, now I have no excuse not to go to my in-laws lame azz Christmas get-together. Maybe I'll be fortunate enough to get the flu by Sunday.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
at least they pred it...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Surf- you in PBLS? I know Sherri & Chart are....

Hell yes I am.

The b!tch and moan comment was not to the longs.

It seems to come most from the people with no interest in this stock....

OH we know it wasn't meant for us brotha!!! We love you!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
New more news - ok!!! See ya all tomarrow-

Sweet dreams Champagne, cavair & all that shnit...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
New more news - ok!!! See ya all tomarrow-

Sweet dreams Champagne, cavair & all that shnit...

Jenna, are you sipping that champagne? lol, goodnight young one. momma
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
OK...

I know I missed a lot, during the whole play...

One thing that kept bothering me--lol, despite all the other things--was "What Happened to that Debt" ? Anybody else remember those questions?

Remember? The FHAL/Furia debt....

Doesn't it seem that was a PIPE?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
the debt? have you ever seen timberland passed around by different companies? they sell it to each other and never pay or collect the debt. the selling companies write it off as a loss. i don't know how they get away with it, but i've come across it more than once doing DD....

seen alot of strange stuff reading Edgar Tex,.... but none as strange as what i just read tonight....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the debt? have you ever seen timberland passed around by different companies? they sell it to each other and never pay or collect the debt. the selling companies write it off as a loss. i don't know how they get away with it, but i've come across it more than once doing DD....

timberland's related?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
the way the land is transferred is related, IMO....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the way the land is transferred is related, IMO....

you mean they had some intermediary, somewhat analagous to CEOTA (sp?)
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i just mean the debt may have been forgiven. the lender may not have cared to collect...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
anyway...from what I can tell, this seems to be hinged upon PIPE financing.

Do we have DD on that financing? I've seen some since, but would like to review the DD here...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i just mean the debt may have been forgiven. the lender may not have cared to collect...

Why/what circumstances? Jeez, debt collectors hire telemarketer types to trace consumer debt for much less than these stakes... make sense?

Why forgive debt at these levels?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i just mean the debt may have been forgiven. the lender may not have cared to collect...

Why/what circumstances? Jeez, debt collectors hire telemarketer types to trace consumer debt for much less than these stakes... make sense?

Why forgive debt at these levels?

because they never intended to collect it to begin with.
the timber lands i mentioned? they are passed from generation to generation....
think of it as a tax free gift...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:


Doesn't it seem that was a PIPE?

a pipe? what do u mean
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
the debt? have you ever seen timberland passed around by different companies? they sell it to each other and never pay or collect the debt. the selling companies write it off as a loss. i don't know how they get away with it, but i've come across it more than once doing DD....

seen alot of strange stuff reading Edgar Tex,.... but none as strange as what i just read tonight....

makes sense...

btw hpw do u claim passed stock losses even
say u bought a stock, lost 50% then put the money left into another stock..the year ends can you just write that off? and how do u that? if i can do that it would a financial breath for me
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
anyway...from what I can tell, this seems to be hinged upon PIPE financing.

Do we have DD on that financing? I've seen some since, but would like to review the DD here...

I know months back we did do some research into PIPE financing, if I remember correctly Rufus even mention PIPE financing when speaking of the Threshold Price Reset. The fact that it is used there all the time.

reset pricing. The purchase price of the common stock or the conversion price of a convertible security is set either (i) at closing or (ii) on a specified date after closing and is subject to adjustment (downward or upward) based on various criteria that can include fundamental performance (operational reset), a specified event (event-driven reset), or the stock price of the issuer at a given point in time after closing (threshold price reset).

http://www.dealflowmedia.com/publications/pipes-glossary.html#alphaP

GLTA Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:


Doesn't it seem that was a PIPE?

a pipe? what do u mean
private investments in public equity (PIPEs). Specifically refers to a privately negotiated issuance of equity or equity-linked securities by a public company to a limited number of investors (does not include Rule 144A equity private placements). See also private placement; registered direct offering.

http://www.dealflowmedia.com/publications/pipes-glossary.html#alphaP

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
November 2005 Securities Purchase Agreement

To obtain funding for our ongoing operations, we entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement with four accredited investors on November 18, 2005 and amended on December 14, 2005 for the sale of (i) $2,500,000 in secured convertible notes and (ii) warrants to buy 5,000,000 shares of our common stock. The four accredited investors, AJW Partners, LLC, AJW Qualified Partners, LLC, AJW Offshore, Ltd. and New Millennium Partners II, LLC subscribed for 11.9%, 32.6%, 54% and 1.5%, respectively, of the total offering. Each accredited investor purchased, or will purchase, such percentage of each closing under the Securities Purchase Agreement.

This prospectus relates to the resale of the common stock underlying these secured convertible notes and warrants. The investors are obligated to provide us with an aggregate of $2,500,000 as follows:

·
$1,000,000 was disbursed on November 18, 2005;
·
$750,000 was disbursed on December 23, 2005; and
·
$750,000 will be disbursed within two days of the effectiveness of this registration statement.

Accordingly, we have received a total of $1,750,000 pursuant to the Securities Purchase Agreement, as amended. Pursuant to the Securities Purchase Agreement, as amended, we have issued 3,500,000 warrants and $1,750,000 in secured convertible notes and we are obligated to issue 1,500,000 additional warrants together with $750,000 in secured convertible notes within five days from the effective date of this registration statement.

The secured convertible notes bear interest at 8%, mature three years from the date of issuance, and are convertible into our common stock, at the selling stockholders’ option, at 55% of the average of the three lowest intraday trading prices for the common stock on a principal market for the 20 trading days before but not including the conversion date. Accordingly, there is in fact no limit on the number of shares into which the notes may be converted. As of December 15, 2005, the average of the three lowest intraday trading price for our common stock as reported on the Over-The-Counter Bulletin Board was $.10 and, therefore, the conversion price for the secured convertible notes was $0.055. Based on this conversion price, the $2,500,000 secured convertible notes, excluding interest, were convertible into 45,454,546 shares of our common stock.

3

In connection with the Securities Purchase Agreement dated November 18, 2005, we granted the investors registration rights. Pursuant to the registration rights agreement, if we did not file the registration statement by December 18, 2005, or if we did not have the registration statement declared effective on or before March 16, 2006, we are obligated to pay liquidated damages in the amount of 2.0% per month of the face amount of the issued and outstanding secured convertible notes, which equals $20,000, until the registration statement is declared effective. At our option, these liquidated damages can be paid in cash or restricted shares of our common stock. If we decide to pay the liquidated damages in cash, we would be required to use our limited working capital and potentially raise additional funds. If we decide to pay the liquidated damages in shares of common stock, the number of shares issued would depend on our stock price at the time that payment is due. Assuming that we are decided to pay liquidated damages for one month on April 17, 2006, the $35,000 (2.0% of the $1,750,000 of secured convertible notes outstanding on March 16, 2006) on April 17, 2006, would result in the issuance of approximately 318,182 shares of common stock. As of the date hereof, the investors have not demanded payment of the liquidated damages and we have not determined if we will make such liquidated damages payments in cash, stock or a combination of both.

AJW Partners, LLC, AJW Qualified Partners, LLC, AJW Offshore, Ltd. and New Millennium Partners II, LLC have contractually agreed to restrict their ability to convert or exercise their warrants and receive shares of our common stock such that the number of shares of common stock held by them and their affiliates after such conversion or exercise does not exceed 4.99% of the then issued and outstanding shares of common stock.

See the “Selling Stockholders” and “Risk Factors” sections for a complete description of the secured convertible notes.

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/filings_by_name.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilena me%3D0001144204%252D06%252D001786%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2006%255C01%255C18%2 55C&symbol=furia


NOTE 5 - CONVERTIBLE NOTES

The Company entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement with four accredited investors on November 18, 2005 and amended on December 14, 2005 for the sale of (i) $2,500,000 in secured convertible notes, and (ii) warrants to purchase 5,000,000 shares of our common stock. The four accredited investors subscribed for 11.9%, 32.6%, 54% and 1.5%, respectively, of the total offering. Each accredited investor purchased, or will purchase, such percentage of each closing under the Securities Purchase Agreement.

A prospectus relates to the resale of the common stock underlying these secured convertible notes and warrants. The investors are obligated to provide us with an aggregate of $2,500,000 as follows:

.


$1,000,000 was disbursed on November 18, 2005;

.


$750,000 was disbursed on December 23, 2005; and

.


$750,000 will be disbursed within five days of the effectiveness of this registration statement.

Accordingly, we have received a total of $1,750,000 pursuant to the Securities Purchase Agreement, as amended. Pursuant to the Securities Purchase Agreement, as amended, we have issued 3,500,000 warrants to purchase shares of common stock and we are obligated to issue 1,500,000 additional warrants together with $750,000 in secured convertible notes. The Warrant may be exercised by the holder hereof, in whole or in part, by the surrender of the Warrants to the Company, and upon (i) payment to the Company the Exercise Price for the Warrant Shares or (ii) if the resale of the Warrant Shares by the holder is not then registered pursuant to an effective registration statement under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Securities Act"), delivery to the Company of a written notice of an election to effect a "Cashless Exercise" (as defined in the Warrant Agreement for the Warrant Shares being exercised. ALIGN="CENTER">
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THE FURIA ORGANIZATION, INC. AND SUBSIDIARIES
NOTES TO CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
MARCH 31, 2006
(UNAUDITED)

NOTE 5 - CONVERTIBLE NOTES -continued

As required by Emerging Issues Task Force Issue 98-05 "Accounting for Convertible Securities with Beneficial Conversion Features", the Company valued the beneficial conversion feature related to the $1,750,000 in outstanding debt at $1,431,818 which was treated as a loan discount and immediately amortized to interest expense.

Additionally, the 3,500,000 in warrants issued in connection with the $1,750,000 in outstanding debt was valued at $159,117 which as also treated as a loan discount and immediately amortized to interest expense.

The notes bear interest at 8%, mature three years from the date of issuance, and are convertible into our common stock, at the investors' option, at 55% of the average of the three lowest intraday trading prices for the common stock on a principal market for the 20 trading days before but not including the conversion date.

We have a call option under the terms of the secured convertible notes. The call option provides us with the right to prepay all of the outstanding secured convertible notes at any time, provided we are not in default and our stock is trading at or below $.20 per share. Prepayment of the notes is to be made in cash equal to either (i) 125% of the outstanding principal and accrued interest for prepayments occurring within 30 days following the issue date of the secured convertible notes; (ii) 135% of the outstanding principal and accrued interest for prepayments occurring between 31 and 60 days following the issue date of the secured convertible notes; and (iii) 145% of the outstanding principal and accrued interest for prepayments occurring after the 60 th day following the issue date of the secured convertible notes.

Our right to repay the notes is exercisable on not less than ten trading days prior written notice to the holders of the secured convertible notes. Notwithstanding the notice of prepayment, the holders of the secured convertible notes have the right at all times to convert all or any portion of the secured convertible notes prior to payment of the prepayment amount.

We also have a partial call option under the terms of the secured convertible notes in any month in which the current price of our common stock is below $0.20. Under the terms of the partial call option, we have the right to pay the outstanding principal amount of the secured convertible notes plus one-month's interest for that month, which will stay any conversions of the secured convertible notes by the holders for that month. The principal amount of the secured convertible notes to be repaid is determined by dividing the then outstanding principal amount of the notes by the maturity of the notes in months, or 36, multiplied by 104%.

The full principal amounts of the secured convertible notes plus a 30% penalty are due upon default under the terms of secured convertible notes. In addition, we have granted the investors a security interest in substantially all of our assets and intellectual property and registration rights.

In connection with the Securities Purchase Agreement dated November 18, 2005, we granted the investors registration rights. Pursuant to the registration rights agreement, if we did not file the registration statement by December 18, 2005, or if we did not have the registration statement declared effective on or before March 16, 2006, we are obligated to pay liquidated damages in the amount of 2.0% per month of the face amount of the issued and outstanding secured convertible notes, which equals $35,000, until the registration statement is declared effective. At our option, these liquidated damages can be paid in cash or restricted shares of our common stock. If we decide to pay the liquidated damages in cash, we would be required to use our limited working capital and potentially raise additional funds. If we decide to pay the liquidated damages in shares of common stock, the number of shares issued would depend on our stock price at the time that payment is due. Assuming that we decide to pay liquidated damages for one month on April 17, 2006, the $35,000 (2.0% of the $1,750,000 of secured convertible notes outstanding on March 16, 2006), will result in the issuance of approximately 318,182 shares of common stock. As of the date hereof, the investors have not demanded payment of the liquidated damages and we have not determined if we will make such liquidated damages payments in cash, stock or a combination of both.

The Callable Secured Convertible Note agreement prohibits the Company, without prior written consent, from redeeming, repurchasing or otherwise acquiring any shares of its capital stock. As of December 31, 2005, the Company had opened a brokerage account in which it had acquired 1,962,000 shares of its common stock for a total consideration of $376,019. During the quarter ended March 31, 2006, the Company acquired 818,405 shares for a total consideration of $243,554.43 and transferred 1,650,000 shares valued at $313,500 for consulting services. At March 31, 2006 the balance of its common stock owned by the Company was 1,130,405 shares valued at $306,222.

The breach of this loan covenant triggers the default provisions of the loan agreement which make the loan immediately due plus a default penalty equal to 30% of the then outstanding loan plus any accrued and unpaid interest on the loan.

Due to this breach of the loan agreement, the loans are reclassified as current and a default penalty of $ 528,288 was accrued. ALIGN="CENTER">
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Posted by hummpy on :
 
CSHD is doing ok for me right, anyone knows if TTEN is for real, because TTEN is all I hear and seeN all night AND THIS MORNING?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by hummpy:
CSHD is doing ok for me right, anyone knows if TTEN is for real, because TTEN is all I hear and seeN all night AND THIS MORNING?

A newbie pumping some stock in the most talked about thread....

1 star, and begone!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
never heard of it
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Hummpy -- you need to check out FONGU
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
I'm bummed about the delay in the SHM. I was looking forward to getting some answers before the Holidays. Any guess as to where they will hold the meeting next time?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
RichBy26, talk about abandonment. For 6 months it was pounded at us about all the bonds and what an asset they are. The SEC makes a little noise and everybody disappears.


quote:
Originally posted by RichBy26:
I'm bummed about the delay in the SHM. I was looking forward to getting some answers before the Holidays. Any guess as to where they will hold the meeting next time?


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Portman... you should probably remove this from the website. I am getting tired of looking over there. [Wink]

quote:

Welcome to the CSHD Shareholder Committee Website.

Please check back often as we will be updating the site often.


{I should edit that statement...}
I don't really want you to post updated information there. I am just saying because of that statement I have made it a point to check it. Give me a P. Give me and R. Whats that spell? Awww... fug-it I make a lousy cheerleader when I lose interest in the game.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I don't think you were going to get any answers, Rich, none that you want to hear anyway. I really do believe it is going to be January or after before we see any positive movement. Even though we were all happy with our Kool-Aid being told "Rome" would be built in a day, it has let us all down. Better to wait patiently and see things done right this time....believe me, I REALLY wanted/needed this to at least stay near that 1.50/2.00 level to keep hubby off my tail, but as long as she pays off, I suppose this will be my "piece de resistance" in patience...

IMHO
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Dallas maybe?

Hopefully not anywhere near here though... [Razz]

quote:
Originally posted by RichBy26:
I'm bummed about the delay in the SHM. I was looking forward to getting some answers before the Holidays. Any guess as to where they will hold the meeting next time?


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
There never was even an announcement or PR about Ben or Sabra that they were leaving. I guess they just swept everything they owned into an attache case and bolted. If I lived close to Harris i'd pay him a visit and find out what I could. I could tell him i'm from subpenny radio so he would'nt withhold info.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
The biggest issue that I have right now is all this bond bull$hit. And just about everything else that this company accomplishes. Which seems to be absolutely nothing.
It's hard to imagine that Rufus was making it sound like his families health is at stake because of this company. I guess he was'nt even including the welfare of the shareholders.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Sherri ~ kudos to you for using "patience".

I on the otherhand will not wait till January or beyond for this thing to return to 0.10 and under. January is a new trading year and things will get prettty crazy quick. If things don't "begin" to happen soon I think it will be lights out for CSHD. Whether the new management likes it or not.. Heck I think most everyone has moved over to PBLS and others from here anyway. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
What I am saying is that I am not losing too much by moving on, if and when I decide too.

No forward progress before the New Year though and it is going to be hard for me to not cut my losses and claim it on the inevitable tax form.
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
I agree Tax, I just hope this didn't hurt too many people for the Holiday's. Start trading some other stocks and before you know it you'll recoup your losses from this, I have. I haven't sold (because I have certs), so no loss yet, but I'm going about it as if I had. I still hope this will work out for us, it's just going to be a long time. IMHO
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RichBy26:
I agree Tax, I just hope this didn't hurt too many people for the Holiday's. Start trading some other stocks and before you know it you'll recoup your losses from this, I have. I haven't sold (because I have certs), so no loss yet, but I'm going about it as if I had. I still hope this will work out for us, it's just going to be a long time. IMHO

I know I am not getting my "pony" for X-mas.

...

I was thinking putting an offer in on "Dark Chocolate" HA!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Oh by the way Rich... I almost have my certs. ETrade must be covered because a CSR called me yesterday and said they were double checking the address and sending them. Too crazy and the crud going on with this stock.
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
Man Tax, that is just ridiculous. I would be one pissed off customer if I were you!
I know it's been discussed before, but on a positive note we now have people in charge who have a heck of a lot more to lose than we do. Hopefully they pull a rabbit out of the hat and we can all have that HUGE party we planned months ago! GLTA
FWIW... I think my new signature is appropriate!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rich that means you never succeed, but you have fun trying, right?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RichBy26:
Man Tax, that is just ridiculous. I would be one pissed off customer if I were you!
I know it's been discussed before, but on a positive note we now have people in charge who have a heck of a lot more to lose than we do. Hopefully they pull a rabbit out of the hat and we can all have that HUGE party we planned months ago! GLTA
FWIW... I think my new signature is appropriate!

Or do we? Going out on a limb here,could the "rabbit" be some volumn moving day by day? Think about it.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I would be if the PPS was where it should be. Those "lost" certs would be a heck of alot more valuable. Also if I hadn't gotten the information that I did from Integrity Stock Transfer, I would have been more concerned. They were really "lost". [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Mornin' peeps- I hope you find another stock to make up for CSHD- I'm keeping it in my back pocket in hopes that John could perform a miracle...but 'til then I will be trying to make it back & then some.....

Love you all & Good Luck.....I sure hope no news is good news.....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
You would think that would be the case. What happened to Harris. He has 7+ million shares and acts like he just wants to give it up. He was the big mouth talking about how much this company is in the first place.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Perhaps he wants everything to go away for some reason........
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Rich that means you never succeed, but you have fun trying, right?

Wrong my friend. I have read extensively about successful people and almost all of them had many failures before finally hitting it huge. What I am implying is learn from your failures and move on with that knowledge. It's the mind set of entrepreneurs, not worker drones. GLTA
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Did a PBLS thread already get setup?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Yes, Frank....it's in the .10 & under
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Did a PBLS thread already get setup?

It's on the micro penny, under .10 section frank
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
There should'nt be any miracles or rabbit out of the hat tricks neccessary IMO. Unless Rufus is a fraud. Otherwise this POS should be accomplishing it's original mission as it was stated. Screw the SEC, since when can't a company use it's own assets to carry on it's daily agenda.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I don't disagree with your last statement there 6Digits... John needs to let us know where things stand.

I am beginning to think we are NOT at the "Gates of Victory" anymore. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
I agree 6, it just seems like something isn't right or the we would be off the Greys and released from the SEC stronghold... I hope everything is real and John can refloat this ship, but the more time that elapses the worse our situation will become...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Right an agreement. I guess it will work itself out.
If this is'nt real, I want Harris hurt and hurt bad. It's the least thing that should happen for him.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Right an agreement. I guess it will work itself out.
If this is'nt real, I want Harris hurt and hurt bad. It's the least thing that should happen for him.

6, please don't make personal threats on our board.This is allstocks, not ****. Do some more thinking before you post in anger. IMO , GLTA
 
Posted by bullpicks6 on :
 
I can't believe all the ppl who drank the Kool-Aid on this one...I am genuinely sorry for all of you still holding this bag
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bullpicks6:
I can't believe all the ppl who drank the Kool-Aid on this one...I am genuinely sorry for all of you still holding this bag

Don't be.. they all had aample time to sell at $3, $2, $1.... soon, they can GIVE them away at $0.

A fool and his money will ALWAYS be parted.
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by bullpicks6:
I can't believe all the ppl who drank the Kool-Aid on this one...I am genuinely sorry for all of you still holding this bag

Don't be.. they all had aample time to sell at $3, $2, $1.... soon, they can GIVE them away at $0.

A fool and his money will ALWAYS be parted.

It is soo humbling to be in the presence of such infallible people. LOL
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RichBy26:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by bullpicks6:
I can't believe all the ppl who drank the Kool-Aid on this one...I am genuinely sorry for all of you still holding this bag

Don't be.. they all had aample time to sell at $3, $2, $1.... soon, they can GIVE them away at $0.

A fool and his money will ALWAYS be parted.

It is soo humbling to be in the presence of such infallible people. LOL
We're not perfect, but we're not ------ (fill in the blank with any term that will get you banned here) either.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yeah bull don't feel sorry for CSHD holders. Some of us are not that sad. It was a hell-of-a-ride. And last time I checked it was still sitting around 0.15.

A good deal of longs got in at 0.04 to 0.14 so in effect they are still in the green. The ones that are not including myself were warned hundreds of times not to put in more than what they could afford to lose.

The train has not made it back to the station yet so let's not count this trip over just yet.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
What you never heard of someone being in trouble for their deeds. I did'nt threaten you. I just stated that Harris needs to face up to his deeds. A personal threat would be if I threatened you which I did'nt. There's too many people running around conning people that something should be done about. There does'nt seem to be a limit to what they can get away with.


quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Right an agreement. I guess it will work itself out.
If this is'nt real, I want Harris hurt and hurt bad. It's the least thing that should happen for him.

6, please don't make personal threats on our board.This is allstocks, not ****. Do some more thinking before you post in anger. IMO , GLTA

 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
Repo Repo Repo, I'm not looking for a fight. Just keep showing your maturity level and inablility to take punches like you give them. Bye, don't waste the space replying...
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RichBy26:
Repo Repo Repo, I'm not looking for a fight. Just keep showing your maturity level and inablility to take punches like you give them. Bye, don't waste the space replying...

I'm wasting it, Poorby26. Stop riding my coattails.
 
Posted by bullpicks6 on :
 
IQWB GBRC CHCG AQGC all stocks that can make you back the $ you've lost...and if you haven't lost any even more reason to make more $
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
The SEC does do a number on any stock they touch... I counted CSHD done the day of the suspension. I am actually in awe that it is trading right now at all.

I felt then that the suspension was premature, and I know now... since they have not put it into recievership that they did in fact move prematurely. (Probably because Rufus told them to "make it formal".) In anycase they have won their case, since an MM won't touch CSHD now, and the main players have disappeared, most likely taking any potential deals or unsigned contracts with them.

In reality there is probably little left for John to work with and is probably the main reason he has been so quiet.

I hope I am wrong, but I think the silence is a "bad" sign. No I want to restate that... I think the silence is the "worst" sign.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
(Gruff voice) If you had come to me, this thing, this thing they did to your stock wouldn't have happened. Let's make Harris an offer he can't refuse (picture horse head in bed).
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Thanks Bull- I'm watchin' CHCG...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bullpicks6:
IQWB GBRC CHCG AQGC all stocks that can make you back the $ you've lost...and if you haven't lost any even more reason to make more $

I will check them out bull... always willing to look into a security... but really this kind of post belongs somewhere else.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya Tax regretfully possible.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I used that line last week.

quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
(Gruff voice) If you had come to me, this thing, this thing they did to your stock wouldn't have happened. Let's make Harris an offer he can't refuse (picture horse head in bed).


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Tax a weird thing with the MM scenario is that I heard Rufus mumble on SPR that he had 4 MMs fighting over this stock, not to mention other things that he never put into writing.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Repo did you get in on NEST? It seems to be today's winner. So far.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Crazy or...Buy it at .14 today and sell it tomorrow for .20 ? 5,000 shares will make you $300.00. OK, $240.00 after commission if you use a live broker.

I can't help but say, I've wanted to do this all week but don't have the funds at the moment.

(Or the guts.)
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Repo did you get in on NEST? It seems to be today's winner. So far.

No sir, only IEAM, which I am still holding for $6 in the coming month.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Tax a weird thing with the MM scenario is that I heard Rufus mumble on SPR that he had 4 MMs fighting over this stock, not to mention other things that he never put into writing.

I remember that too. And heard it more than once afterwards. Whatever happenned there?
 
Posted by bullpicks6 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by bullpicks6:
IQWB GBRC CHCG AQGC all stocks that can make you back the $ you've lost...and if you haven't lost any even more reason to make more $

I will check them out bull... always willing to look into a security... but really this kind of post belongs somewhere else.
yea I know but it seems like everyone's in this thread and I figured I could save the largest number of people by coming in here, will refrain in the future
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Repo did you get in on NEST? It seems to be today's winner. So far.

No sir, only IEAM, which I am still holding for $6 in the coming month.
Repo and I disagree a lot LOL, but I agree with his IEAM prediction. That stock will still be at least a 50% gainer from current levels very shortly.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Bull - your fine...sometimes we need the "tips" to come to us....HaHa
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
pbls seems to be going nowhere It's .01,.015,.01,.015 over and over.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
looks like I meant .01,.0105.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Someone is buying up CSHD. Did anybody notice. Some gambler I guess.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Stockstar69, I don't know what happened to that. It's just disappeared into oblivion like the rest of the stuff that was claimed.

quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Tax a weird thing with the MM scenario is that I heard Rufus mumble on SPR that he had 4 MMs fighting over this stock, not to mention other things that he never put into writing.

I remember that too. And heard it more than once afterwards. Whatever happenned there?

 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Oh well, hurry up and wait.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Just check in once a week- it sure would be better right now with those 6:1....

Let's move along - there's nothing to see here...
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Stockstar69, I don't know what happened to that. It's just disappeared into oblivion like the rest of the stuff that was claimed.

quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Tax a weird thing with the MM scenario is that I heard Rufus mumble on SPR that he had 4 MMs fighting over this stock, not to mention other things that he never put into writing.

I remember that too. And heard it more than once afterwards. Whatever happenned there?

I think they may still be around, just waiting on papers to be filed...JMHO...maybe they don't want to sign on until the SEC filings are corrected? One reason I said give it some time...
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
looks like I meant .01,.0105.

Yeah, but many of us got in it at .007, etc....it has been steadily improving each day or couple of days. The charts and indicators are awesome on it still....

Can I make an honest observation? I really don't want you to take this the wrong way, because I know you are upset about being in this position as I am too. I feel like the air was let out of my balloon prematurely... I would suggest that you spend the time learning about charts or other plays and concentrate on making your money back. I started doing this a few weeks ago, and while I am not "over" my CSHD loss, I have different things to occupy my time so it doesn't p1ss me off as much...FWIW
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I thought you might post another picture. [Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Just check in once a week- it sure would be better right now with those 6:1....

Let's move along - there's nothing to see here...


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Thanks for the suggest SherriT, i'm working on it. I just sold all the cshd that I had in my account to play somewhere else. I still have shares on a cert FWIW. I'm looking around for something to get in a run on. [Wink]


quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
looks like I meant .01,.0105.

Yeah, but many of us got in it at .007, etc....it has been steadily improving each day or couple of days. The charts and indicators are awesome on it still....

Can I make an honest observation? I really don't want you to take this the wrong way, because I know you are upset about being in this position as I am too. I feel like the air was let out of my balloon prematurely... I would suggest that you spend the time learning about charts or other plays and concentrate on making your money back. I started doing this a few weeks ago, and while I am not "over" my CSHD loss, I have different things to occupy my time so it doesn't p1ss me off as much...FWIW


 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Has anyone else noticed the recent volume? 138K shares in two minutes.... $20,000 (roughly) is quite a bit of change.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I sold 26560 shares a little while ago. I don't know if that had any effect, but it should go up from here. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya there was some big trades.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
anyone know who LP640 is on HSM? Pumping cshd big time!
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
anyone know who LP640 is on HSM? Pumping cshd big time!

Who care's, let him pump. We need all the help we can get. LOL
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
[Big Grin]
Thata girl!
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
looks like I meant .01,.0105.

Yeah, but many of us got in it at .007, etc....it has been steadily improving each day or couple of days. The charts and indicators are awesome on it still....

Can I make an honest observation? I really don't want you to take this the wrong way, because I know you are upset about being in this position as I am too. I feel like the air was let out of my balloon prematurely... I would suggest that you spend the time learning about charts or other plays and concentrate on making your money back. I started doing this a few weeks ago, and while I am not "over" my CSHD loss, I have different things to occupy my time so it doesn't p1ss me off as much...FWIW


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
The SEC does do a number on any stock they touch... I counted CSHD done the day of the suspension. I am actually in awe that it is trading right now at all.

I felt then that the suspension was premature, and I know now... since they have not put it into recievership that they did in fact move prematurely. (Probably because Rufus told them to "make it formal".) In anycase they have won their case, since an MM won't touch CSHD now, and the main players have disappeared, most likely taking any potential deals or unsigned contracts with them.

In reality there is probably little left for John to work with and is probably the main reason he has been so quiet.

I hope I am wrong, but I think the silence is a "bad" sign. No I want to restate that... I think the silence is the "worst" sign.

lol, Tax, how *does* this keep popping up?

"Receivership" is another process, entirely...no logical connection there...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
If I do still post here thats cool too.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
6- Your out of CSHD totally?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
anyone know who LP640 is on HSM? Pumping cshd big time!

I don't know who it is, but they're using Rufus's MO. Which is the buy the crap out of it line.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
No Jenna i'm not out totally, i'm partially stupidly out. I have a cert for more shares than I sold today. I just got tired of seeing that money sitting there seemingly not doing anything and thought it could be put to use somewhere.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
6- Your out of CSHD totally?


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
November 2005 Securities Purchase Agreement

To obtain funding for our ongoing operations, we entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement with four accredited investors on November 18, 2005 and amended on December 14, 2005 for the sale of (i) $2,500,000 in secured convertible notes and (ii) warrants to buy 5,000,000 shares of our common stock. The four accredited investors, AJW Partners, LLC, AJW Qualified Partners, LLC, AJW Offshore, Ltd. and New Millennium Partners II, LLC subscribed for 11.9%, 32.6%, 54% and 1.5%, respectively, of the total offering. Each accredited investor purchased, or will purchase, such percentage of each closing under the Securities Purchase Agreement.

This prospectus relates to the resale of the common stock underlying these secured convertible notes and warrants. The investors are obligated to provide us with an aggregate of $2,500,000 as follows:

·
$1,000,000 was disbursed on November 18, 2005;
·
$750,000 was disbursed on December 23, 2005; and
·
$750,000 will be disbursed within two days of the effectiveness of this registration statement.

Accordingly, we have received a total of $1,750,000 pursuant to the Securities Purchase Agreement, as amended. Pursuant to the Securities Purchase Agreement, as amended, we have issued 3,500,000 warrants and $1,750,000 in secured convertible notes and we are obligated to issue 1,500,000 additional warrants together with $750,000 in secured convertible notes within five days from the effective date of this registration statement.

The secured convertible notes bear interest at 8%, mature three years from the date of issuance, and are convertible into our common stock, at the selling stockholders’ option, at 55% of the average of the three lowest intraday trading prices for the common stock on a principal market for the 20 trading days before but not including the conversion date. Accordingly, there is in fact no limit on the number of shares into which the notes may be converted. As of December 15, 2005, the average of the three lowest intraday trading price for our common stock as reported on the Over-The-Counter Bulletin Board was $.10 and, therefore, the conversion price for the secured convertible notes was $0.055. Based on this conversion price, the $2,500,000 secured convertible notes, excluding interest, were convertible into 45,454,546 shares of our common stock.

3

In connection with the Securities Purchase Agreement dated November 18, 2005, we granted the investors registration rights. Pursuant to the registration rights agreement, if we did not file the registration statement by December 18, 2005, or if we did not have the registration statement declared effective on or before March 16, 2006, we are obligated to pay liquidated damages in the amount of 2.0% per month of the face amount of the issued and outstanding secured convertible notes, which equals $20,000, until the registration statement is declared effective. At our option, these liquidated damages can be paid in cash or restricted shares of our common stock. If we decide to pay the liquidated damages in cash, we would be required to use our limited working capital and potentially raise additional funds. If we decide to pay the liquidated damages in shares of common stock, the number of shares issued would depend on our stock price at the time that payment is due. Assuming that we are decided to pay liquidated damages for one month on April 17, 2006, the $35,000 (2.0% of the $1,750,000 of secured convertible notes outstanding on March 16, 2006) on April 17, 2006, would result in the issuance of approximately 318,182 shares of common stock. As of the date hereof, the investors have not demanded payment of the liquidated damages and we have not determined if we will make such liquidated damages payments in cash, stock or a combination of both.

AJW Partners, LLC, AJW Qualified Partners, LLC, AJW Offshore, Ltd. and New Millennium Partners II, LLC have contractually agreed to restrict their ability to convert or exercise their warrants and receive shares of our common stock such that the number of shares of common stock held by them and their affiliates after such conversion or exercise does not exceed 4.99% of the then issued and outstanding shares of common stock.

See the “Selling Stockholders” and “Risk Factors” sections for a complete description of the secured convertible notes.

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/filings_by_name.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilena me%3D0001144204%252D06%252D001786%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2006%255C01%255C18%2 55C&symbol=furia


NOTE 5 - CONVERTIBLE NOTES

The Company entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement with four accredited investors on November 18, 2005 and amended on December 14, 2005 for the sale of (i) $2,500,000 in secured convertible notes, and (ii) warrants to purchase 5,000,000 shares of our common stock. The four accredited investors subscribed for 11.9%, 32.6%, 54% and 1.5%, respectively, of the total offering. Each accredited investor purchased, or will purchase, such percentage of each closing under the Securities Purchase Agreement.

A prospectus relates to the resale of the common stock underlying these secured convertible notes and warrants. The investors are obligated to provide us with an aggregate of $2,500,000 as follows:

.


$1,000,000 was disbursed on November 18, 2005;

.


$750,000 was disbursed on December 23, 2005; and

.


$750,000 will be disbursed within five days of the effectiveness of this registration statement.

Accordingly, we have received a total of $1,750,000 pursuant to the Securities Purchase Agreement, as amended. Pursuant to the Securities Purchase Agreement, as amended, we have issued 3,500,000 warrants to purchase shares of common stock and we are obligated to issue 1,500,000 additional warrants together with $750,000 in secured convertible notes. The Warrant may be exercised by the holder hereof, in whole or in part, by the surrender of the Warrants to the Company, and upon (i) payment to the Company the Exercise Price for the Warrant Shares or (ii) if the resale of the Warrant Shares by the holder is not then registered pursuant to an effective registration statement under the Securities Act of 1933, as amended (the "Securities Act"), delivery to the Company of a written notice of an election to effect a "Cashless Exercise" (as defined in the Warrant Agreement for the Warrant Shares being exercised. ALIGN="CENTER">
8

THE FURIA ORGANIZATION, INC. AND SUBSIDIARIES
NOTES TO CONDENSED CONSOLIDATED FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
MARCH 31, 2006
(UNAUDITED)

NOTE 5 - CONVERTIBLE NOTES -continued

As required by Emerging Issues Task Force Issue 98-05 "Accounting for Convertible Securities with Beneficial Conversion Features", the Company valued the beneficial conversion feature related to the $1,750,000 in outstanding debt at $1,431,818 which was treated as a loan discount and immediately amortized to interest expense.

Additionally, the 3,500,000 in warrants issued in connection with the $1,750,000 in outstanding debt was valued at $159,117 which as also treated as a loan discount and immediately amortized to interest expense.

The notes bear interest at 8%, mature three years from the date of issuance, and are convertible into our common stock, at the investors' option, at 55% of the average of the three lowest intraday trading prices for the common stock on a principal market for the 20 trading days before but not including the conversion date.

We have a call option under the terms of the secured convertible notes. The call option provides us with the right to prepay all of the outstanding secured convertible notes at any time, provided we are not in default and our stock is trading at or below $.20 per share. Prepayment of the notes is to be made in cash equal to either (i) 125% of the outstanding principal and accrued interest for prepayments occurring within 30 days following the issue date of the secured convertible notes; (ii) 135% of the outstanding principal and accrued interest for prepayments occurring between 31 and 60 days following the issue date of the secured convertible notes; and (iii) 145% of the outstanding principal and accrued interest for prepayments occurring after the 60 th day following the issue date of the secured convertible notes.

Our right to repay the notes is exercisable on not less than ten trading days prior written notice to the holders of the secured convertible notes. Notwithstanding the notice of prepayment, the holders of the secured convertible notes have the right at all times to convert all or any portion of the secured convertible notes prior to payment of the prepayment amount.

We also have a partial call option under the terms of the secured convertible notes in any month in which the current price of our common stock is below $0.20. Under the terms of the partial call option, we have the right to pay the outstanding principal amount of the secured convertible notes plus one-month's interest for that month, which will stay any conversions of the secured convertible notes by the holders for that month. The principal amount of the secured convertible notes to be repaid is determined by dividing the then outstanding principal amount of the notes by the maturity of the notes in months, or 36, multiplied by 104%.

The full principal amounts of the secured convertible notes plus a 30% penalty are due upon default under the terms of secured convertible notes. In addition, we have granted the investors a security interest in substantially all of our assets and intellectual property and registration rights.

In connection with the Securities Purchase Agreement dated November 18, 2005, we granted the investors registration rights. Pursuant to the registration rights agreement, if we did not file the registration statement by December 18, 2005, or if we did not have the registration statement declared effective on or before March 16, 2006, we are obligated to pay liquidated damages in the amount of 2.0% per month of the face amount of the issued and outstanding secured convertible notes, which equals $35,000, until the registration statement is declared effective. At our option, these liquidated damages can be paid in cash or restricted shares of our common stock. If we decide to pay the liquidated damages in cash, we would be required to use our limited working capital and potentially raise additional funds. If we decide to pay the liquidated damages in shares of common stock, the number of shares issued would depend on our stock price at the time that payment is due. Assuming that we decide to pay liquidated damages for one month on April 17, 2006, the $35,000 (2.0% of the $1,750,000 of secured convertible notes outstanding on March 16, 2006), will result in the issuance of approximately 318,182 shares of common stock. As of the date hereof, the investors have not demanded payment of the liquidated damages and we have not determined if we will make such liquidated damages payments in cash, stock or a combination of both.

The Callable Secured Convertible Note agreement prohibits the Company, without prior written consent, from redeeming, repurchasing or otherwise acquiring any shares of its capital stock. As of December 31, 2005, the Company had opened a brokerage account in which it had acquired 1,962,000 shares of its common stock for a total consideration of $376,019. During the quarter ended March 31, 2006, the Company acquired 818,405 shares for a total consideration of $243,554.43 and transferred 1,650,000 shares valued at $313,500 for consulting services. At March 31, 2006 the balance of its common stock owned by the Company was 1,130,405 shares valued at $306,222.

The breach of this loan covenant triggers the default provisions of the loan agreement which make the loan immediately due plus a default penalty equal to 30% of the then outstanding loan plus any accrued and unpaid interest on the loan.

Due to this breach of the loan agreement, the loans are reclassified as current and a default penalty of $ 528,288 was accrued. ALIGN="CENTER">
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http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/filings_by_name.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilena me%3D0001297077%252D06%252D000033%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2006%255C05%255C12%2 55C&symbol=furia

yup, and notice this, from your link, Wally:

"To obtain funding for our ongoing operations, we entered into a Securities Purchase Agreement with four accredited investors. . . ."

Some Silly-Putty in the filing, there; true enough, *four separate entities,* but...controlled by one person.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Been reading over at HSM and they are talking about a scroll from Paltalk. Look pretty interesting. 6 you may have made a small mistake today. Maybe not.

quote:

LOL heres the scroll for paltalk

ititUP: NO JOKE I JUST SPOKE WITH BEN
HititUP: He called back
HititUP: just now
n00b_101_1: LOL
HititUP: He's not involved witht he comapny, but is working for the shareholders
n00b_101_1: was he in mexico?
n00b_101_1: oh
30west: lol..
HititUP: I dont know, heard fax in background
n00b_101_1: nice
n00b_101_1: what else he say ?
H2omd: ok 30 are you LP640???
H2omd: ya tell us about ben
HititUP: Said, they are still working on everything
30west: whats evrything?
HititUP: it's stressfull but things will be resolved
H2omd: that is a good statement
HititUP: he just said everything for the shareholders
n00b_101_1: baaaaaah
n00b_101_1: cool
n00b_101_1: thx hit
30west: thx hit
H2omd: good job hitt
HititUP: yea, i was so suprised he called back
HititUP: very down to earth , said he's not spoken to John yet but RUFUS has
HititUP: rph has spoken with him
HititUP: and he is working right now for the shareholders (Ben is_
n00b_101_1: is rufus working for us
n00b_101_1: ?
n00b_101_1: stupid questions
HititUP: so... Ben is NOT with CSHD..but is working for us/cshd...kinda weird
30west: wtf
Dad_Roman: told ya geo...lol
HititUP: like i said, he said he is not part of CSHD, but said he is working right now for the shareholders
swflnewbie: did you see lp knows we got the phone call
n00b_101_1: what?
swflnewbie: post 13744


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Paltalk interesting- Concarnes post interesting also:

ConCarne
HSM Regular




Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 200 We are as we were.

And we then won't be. 10's with Ben. Halt. TPR / recapitalize. Distribute recapitalized shares.
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Posted by frank021474 on :
 
ConCarne
HSM Regular




Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 201 Quote:
Originally Posted by samaelrocks
Concarne will correct me if I'm wrong but I think the "10's" = 10ka and 10q.

Maybe we are finally going to get them and see the real value of CSHD.


And we see if there's any mystery in that previously filed meat.
__________________
I get it ConCarne
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Wow, some life coming back to CSHD?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Just some folks on HSM posting up a storm. Until I see some filings and PR's I keep it in the speculation bucket.

Least its some more exciting speculation [Wink] The paint drying I have been watching all this week has not been very exciting!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
From HSM

http://www.hot stock market.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1023937&postcount=13774

Today, 10:36 PM #13774
HititUP
HSM Addict




Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,697 Quote:
Originally Posted by carmelojg
If that came from HitUp, I think it is 100% legit and I like what I hear


Yea, we spoke just 5 minutes ago.

Sum up:

He said RPH has spoken with John. Ben has not spoken to John since he became CEO. Ben is not part of CSHD right now. Ben is working for the shareholders. He does not know any information regarding the SEC case.

That's about it.

Thing to keep in mind. He personally told me that he is not currently part of CSHD. What benefit does he have of actually calling me back>?
I called last night at 10:51pm and left a long message with my name and contact. Today I called agian, and he called me right back. He didn't have to do that.

Very down to earth guy, and I'm happy he called me back.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
sweetsplat
HSM Addict




Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 1,663 I just received this email. Enjoy!

From: John Smith <connectingthedotsdc*lycos.com> (Lycos. Inc.)
Subject: Connecting The Dots


Quote:
After the patriot Act requiring sharing of data, the little company in DC that I work for has been very busy. We can take the data from any system and make it available to any other system. Recently I came across data regarding CSHD and it caught my attention being a share holder. I started asking questions, and the information started pouring out. Everybody was willing to provide information off the record. The following is a summary of what I was told.

It looks like a lot of attention was on CSHD because of Sabra Dabbs. She had been running several questionable businesses that had attracted a lot of attention. Sabra was transferring money from off shore accounts to a Wachovia bank in FL. They thought she was money laundering at first. She was running a company called Power House Funding that was charging a $50,000.00 broker fee to people needing funding to locate funds. She would claim that she had access to large amounts of money, and would require them to pay her a fee to come onsite and look over the project, review their business plans, and then she would promise to get them funding. According to the complaints filed, she never provided the funding. I was told that there was not one project ever funded, and there are a some really upset people. These included some very high up people in other countries that were looking for project funding that banks did not want to touch. There were also some very nasty p! eople on the money side that also looked to be money laundering. And on the money side, is where she came across the bonds.

Some of these bonds that Sabra was representing were people that did not want to be known. When Rufus released their information, the Caracas Group sent a C&D. Rufus then had to hold off on releasing the 10K while Sabra tried salvage the relationship with the Caracas Group. Rufus believed that since he had a contract they could not back out. But It seems Sabra had not fully disclosed to Rufus the contracts and control she had with the bonds. The SEC then decided this was the time to step in and halted CSHD. Since Rufus had given the SEC copies of the contracts that Sabra had gotten, she gave the SEC a copy of the Caracas Group C&D in a effort to protect herself. Sabra then tried to take over the company by voting Rufus out. Rufus had seen it coming, and had Mike take the company back. Sabra then decided that since Rufus had not filed all the paper work needed to make her VP, she could not be held liable and decided to bail.

Sabra then started telling Mike her version of the problems and that she was the only one that had control of the bonds. Mike was caught in the middle and could not get Sabra to help now that she knew she was not a legal VP. While trying get answers from Rufus there was a pretty heated phone call between Mike and Rufus. Mike then decided to give the company back to Rufus. Sabra then started working with the share holder committee members to get them to remove Rufus. Sabra also told the SEC and SHC that preferred shares had been sold to people she had gotten to invest and nobody knew were the money was. Sabra has also been telling SHC tht Rufus and family have been dumping shares. Sabra was the person that had setup the CSHD accounts with the ADP and MM. Sabra was how the SHC and John was able to get things filed when Rufus couldn’t. Sabra has been playing both sides and against each other. The list of bad news that has been given the SHC is very long, and it! all is coming from Sabra. Behind the scenes Sabra has played a major role in the events that taken place, and poeple in the know can confirm this.

Sabra also had a company called The Corporate Credit Firm that for $5,000.00 would help companies build a corporate credit profile. She was reselling them a $600.00 Dunn &Bradstreet credit profile. That is how she met Mike. Had Sabra been able to build Mike's corporate credit and gotten him funding with her two companies then maybe Mike would have never gotten invloved with toxic funding. There were a lot of people that got charged $5,000.00 and never got anything more than a couple credit card accounts opened for them. All this is just the tip of the iceberg, but it is information that you can DD. From all the information I have seen, there should be no problem in finding people from Sabra’s past and the people involved to validate what I have found out. If the people mentioned deny what I have found out, make them put it in writing. Then you will be able to take legal action against them when the people off the record move forward!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Portman are you in contact with Sabra still???
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HititUP
Yea, we spoke just 5 minutes ago.

Sum up:

He said RPH has spoken with John. Ben has not spoken to John since he became CEO. Ben is not part of CSHD right now. Ben is working for the shareholders. He does not know any information regarding the SEC case.

That's about it.

Thing to keep in mind. He personally told me that he is not currently part of CSHD. What benefit does he have of actually calling me back>?
I called last night at 10:51pm and left a long message with my name and contact. Today I called agian, and he called me right back. He didn't have to do that.

Very down to earth guy, and I'm happy he called me back.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Nothing boring this evening eh?

From paltalk (reference to the above post about sabra):

sweetsplat: People....I am going to let the post stand for itself. It is
very powerful. I have people coming after me.

sweetsplat: IO have people threatening me. Please respect that.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
FWIW? This post contradicts the other stating that Ben is NOT with CSHD...Why would he have the 10k or anything else from CSHD?

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
ConCarne
HSM Regular




Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 201 Quote:
Originally Posted by samaelrocks
Concarne will correct me if I'm wrong but I think the "10's" = 10ka and 10q.

Maybe we are finally going to get them and see the real value of CSHD.


And we see if there's any mystery in that previously filed meat.
__________________
I get it ConCarne


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
"I started asking questions, and the information started pouring out. Everybody was willing to provide information off the record."

wow! I want me some of *that* software...hope I'm not governed by the Patriot Act, though...

Interesting that Dabbs is taking the hit for MA's taking on toxic financing, in this scenario...seems like that PIPE won't go away...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
It wasn't Concarne that mentioned the 10ka/q. That was posted from Sam- Concarnes piece was the bottom part of that post.

When I copied it over from HSM it lost the separation of the quotes.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Yes Frank...I went over and read at HSM...and it read the correct way..thanks...
The email? i believe part of it...not all of it...IMO...
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
ooooo..... those big buys...LOL

or sells.

The future never lies..... Good night folks.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
don't have a clue, yet, where this fits:

http://www.ganet.org/cgi-bin/pub/corp/corpsearch?corpid=0342347

(copied from a Jim Bishop post)
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Interesting Tex...

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
don't have a clue, yet, where this fits:

http://www.ganet.org/cgi-bin/pub/corp/corpsearch?corpid=0342347

(copied from a Jim Bishop post)


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I have one comment on this... I spoke to one of the individuals on the SHC...AFTER John was voted in...Sabra's name came up...(if memory serves me well)...at that point...this individual had NOT spoke to SABRA and didn't mention if anyone else had...

I am leaning towards this email being mostly BS...but hey...what do i know...I still own a few shares of this damn stock! LOL [Big Grin]
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
sweetsplat
HSM Addict




Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Phoenix, AZ
Posts: 1,663 I just received this email. Enjoy!

From: John Smith <connectingthedotsdc*lycos.com> (Lycos. Inc.)
Subject: Connecting The Dots


Quote:
After the patriot Act requiring sharing of data, the little company in DC that I work for has been very busy. We can take the data from any system and make it available to any other system. Recently I came across data regarding CSHD and it caught my attention being a share holder. I started asking questions, and the information started pouring out. Everybody was willing to provide information off the record. The following is a summary of what I was told.

It looks like a lot of attention was on CSHD because of Sabra Dabbs. She had been running several questionable businesses that had attracted a lot of attention. Sabra was transferring money from off shore accounts to a Wachovia bank in FL. They thought she was money laundering at first. She was running a company called Power House Funding that was charging a $50,000.00 broker fee to people needing funding to locate funds. She would claim that she had access to large amounts of money, and would require them to pay her a fee to come onsite and look over the project, review their business plans, and then she would promise to get them funding. According to the complaints filed, she never provided the funding. I was told that there was not one project ever funded, and there are a some really upset people. These included some very high up people in other countries that were looking for project funding that banks did not want to touch. There were also some very nasty p! eople on the money side that also looked to be money laundering. And on the money side, is where she came across the bonds.

Some of these bonds that Sabra was representing were people that did not want to be known. When Rufus released their information, the Caracas Group sent a C&D. Rufus then had to hold off on releasing the 10K while Sabra tried salvage the relationship with the Caracas Group. Rufus believed that since he had a contract they could not back out. But It seems Sabra had not fully disclosed to Rufus the contracts and control she had with the bonds. The SEC then decided this was the time to step in and halted CSHD. Since Rufus had given the SEC copies of the contracts that Sabra had gotten, she gave the SEC a copy of the Caracas Group C&D in a effort to protect herself. Sabra then tried to take over the company by voting Rufus out. Rufus had seen it coming, and had Mike take the company back. Sabra then decided that since Rufus had not filed all the paper work needed to make her VP, she could not be held liable and decided to bail.

Sabra then started telling Mike her version of the problems and that she was the only one that had control of the bonds. Mike was caught in the middle and could not get Sabra to help now that she knew she was not a legal VP. While trying get answers from Rufus there was a pretty heated phone call between Mike and Rufus. Mike then decided to give the company back to Rufus. Sabra then started working with the share holder committee members to get them to remove Rufus. Sabra also told the SEC and SHC that preferred shares had been sold to people she had gotten to invest and nobody knew were the money was. Sabra has also been telling SHC tht Rufus and family have been dumping shares. Sabra was the person that had setup the CSHD accounts with the ADP and MM. Sabra was how the SHC and John was able to get things filed when Rufus couldn’t. Sabra has been playing both sides and against each other. The list of bad news that has been given the SHC is very long, and it! all is coming from Sabra. Behind the scenes Sabra has played a major role in the events that taken place, and poeple in the know can confirm this.

Sabra also had a company called The Corporate Credit Firm that for $5,000.00 would help companies build a corporate credit profile. She was reselling them a $600.00 Dunn &Bradstreet credit profile. That is how she met Mike. Had Sabra been able to build Mike's corporate credit and gotten him funding with her two companies then maybe Mike would have never gotten invloved with toxic funding. There were a lot of people that got charged $5,000.00 and never got anything more than a couple credit card accounts opened for them. All this is just the tip of the iceberg, but it is information that you can DD. From all the information I have seen, there should be no problem in finding people from Sabra’s past and the people involved to validate what I have found out. If the people mentioned deny what I have found out, make them put it in writing. Then you will be able to take legal action against them when the people off the record move forward!


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
I question anyone who invokes the Patriot Act then posts on a message board info gleaned from the company's equipment that is supposedly under purview of that Act...

The story is entertaining, for sure...and the filing lends some o-wow-what-now oomph...

As posted, the loan/"toxic financing" seems to be a pivot point...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
ok enough "whos on first I don't knows on 3rd" time for some ZZzzzzzzzzzzzz

Paltalk is on the trail-

Catch everyone tomorrow........
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
lol...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
From HSM in regards to that email about Sabra...

#13978
30west
HSM Regular


Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 414 we have 6 confirmed people that got email....anybody from here????????
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
From HSM in regards to that email about Sabra...

#13978
30west
HSM Regular


Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 414 we have 6 confirmed people that got email....anybody from here????????

not following you...what difference does/might it make *who* got the e-mail?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Man, they are going crazy at hsm and paltalk. It might be a very good time to hear from the SHC.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
From HSM: FWIW

Today, 12:50 AM #14032
brazilianrosewood
HSM Enthusiast




Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 629 I've gathered some information about this email, which so far I know of 7 that have received this, and I was one.

It starts with a reference to the Patriot Act ... then 'little company' and the 'John Smith' is a shareholder of CSHD.

The information in this reflects the unproven information Lee Webb botherd with.

In my opinion, it's more of the same, to cause fear in the shareholders. If you believe, then you'll be happily rewarded, IMO - 99.99%! If you have questions or fear, then please consider your health; 100% of .2 is better than 0%.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?

Sorry, not being obtuse...all I know is "Frank," who posts here seems to have copied something from "John Smith" at HSM...

remember, I'm slow sometimes...what do you mean by "all these email addresses" ?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tax? What do you think of that email? Fact or fiction? Any chance anyone on here got it?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Portman, hate to bother you , but your the only one I know of on the SHC. I'm sure you have heard the phrase "too many indians and not enough chiefs". The "indians"are very restless. Can we please put the question in to the SHC, that, when can we expect any word from anybody? Any "chiefs" out there that can settle us all down from the "posts of the day"? Thank you
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?

AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
and, minor point, perhaps...but peeps *really* need to post better...

some of these cats? I can't tell when they're quoting something, mangling a post, or posting their own thoughts...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?

AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?

10, it just doesn't set well that e-mail addresses are "out" Does it?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Sorry Tex. I am guilty of posting wrong. Guess I better shut up until I learn some more.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?

AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?

OK, let's back up

1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"

2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?

3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?

*******

agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Sorry Tex. I am guilty of posting wrong. Guess I better shut up until I learn some more.

lol, I understood *your* post...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
10 I still have a cert for this stock and I don't know if we are supposed to get 6:1 for our shares if I sold some today, but if I get anything from this stock i'll just have to thank my lucky charms. I could always buy some back if it looks worth it.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex? the people that are on Paltalk...a private room for some of the CSHD peeps are the ones that got the email...i have no idea how many people are still visiting that room...but at one point it was near 200 people..(not real private...LOL)
In any case...7 of those people got the same email from this John smith guy...and the email seems false for several reasons...
Does it make a bit of difference? IMO no...just more BS that goes with this play...

And yes Momma...the thing with the email addresses being "out there" is rather odd...
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?

AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?

OK, let's back up

1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"

2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?

3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?

*******

agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Sorry Tex. I am guilty of posting wrong. Guess I better shut up until I learn some more.

You better close your eyes and cover your ears, this is getting dramatic. J/K [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Just like every great fiction you add enough truth to make it believeable, and then spin and twist until it says what you want.

I see it this way:

If it is true we have no bonds and everyone involved will see jail time because the SEC will put the links together with their new best friends the FBI. Oh yeah and it means little to us because we are already done.

If it is a lie, then it should be tacked up on the wall with all the other lies from Our-Creep, Bart, M N 1, Da Lemon... and all the rest. Manipulating a Grey Sheet. Shame on you. Oh yeah and it means little to us because things will just move forward and we are already in the crapper.

A couple of known facts from previous DD PHF inc. and the Credit company are facts from Sabra's past. Niether looked bad in the DD, and if they were... Nobody was visibly complaining. Sabra checked out.

As for the storyline... it fits and is close to what my personal interpretation of events. I just do not think the Caracus Group through out a C&D. If it is run by who the email says it is run by, then I think a "death threat" would fit better than a C&D. I doubt devious sinister high powered world leaders send out a C&D when a pee-on like Rufus steps on their toes.

I think all should make their own judgement call on the validity of the email. It seemed "manufactured" to me, the source is not verifiable, and the few people who recieved the email seemed targeted. Just IMHO...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
So 10 after all the paltalk and stuff are we hooked up or not?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?

There are many people that post email addresses in their profiles. on different sites. Alos many people gave their info to the SHC.

Seems very odd that Rufus and Sabra were talking as recently as his birthday. Rufus was on Subpenny that night and received a call from Sabra and mentioned that they were in contact quite a bit.

From the email, it would seem that much would have been out in the open prior to Rufus being ousted. If that were the case, I doubt Sabra would be calling Rufus to wish him a happy birthday.

Let's see. We have John Smith, that original. A little company in DC that deals with the Patriot Act and most of the information is not something the patriot act would cover since its a lot of private conversation, unless of course everyone's phone is bugged and they are under constant surviellence.

Well, I think I'll file this one in the circular file where it belongs. As far as the information about the businesses Sabra was involved in. I know I saw that when we first DD'ed her months ago. At least any info that didn't require government sharing due to the Patriot Act.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
6? Who knows...I wish I had an answer for you...

I'm headed off for the night...sleep well all...

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
So 10 after all the paltalk and stuff are we hooked up or not?


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
an interesting analysis Tax. It sounds weird that no one would complain if Sabra was charging them a lot of money for zero services.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? the people that are on Paltalk...a private room for some of the CSHD peeps are the ones that got the email...i have no idea how many people are still visiting that room...but at one point it was near 200 people..(not real private...LOL)
In any case...7 of those people got the same email from this John smith guy...and the email seems false for several reasons...
Does it make a bit of difference? IMO no...just more BS that goes with this play...

And yes Momma...the thing with the email addresses being "out there" is rather odd...
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?

AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?

OK, let's back up

1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"

2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?

3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?

*******

agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.


oh, I disagree...don't think it's BS, if by that you intend, irrelevant or immaterial.

If, as you seem to suggest, someone has access to shareholders' e-mails, that *universe* should be pretty easy to define.

sure, countless *theories* may erupt...but logic coupled with the axiom "follow the money" will prove fruitful, I'm more than confident.

As mentioned, it's way interesting to me that "toxic financing" seems to be the pivot. As you know, I've never let go of that loan question.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Tex are you oil strike from Ihub? PM me the answer if you don't want to say here.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?

There are many people that post email addresses in their profiles. on different sites. Alos many people gave their info to the SHC.

Seems very odd that Rufus and Sabra were talking as recently as his birthday. Rufus was on Subpenny that night and received a call from Sabra and mentioned that they were in contact quite a bit.

From the email, it would seem that much would have been out in the open prior to Rufus being ousted. If that were the case, I doubt Sabra would be calling Rufus to wish him a happy birthday.

Let's see. We have John Smith, that original. A little company in DC that deals with the Patriot Act and most of the information is not something the patriot act would cover since its a lot of private conversation, unless of course everyone's phone is bugged and they are under constant surviellence.

Well, I think I'll file this one in the circular file where it belongs. As far as the information about the businesses Sabra was involved in. I know I saw that when we first DD'ed her months ago. At least any info that didn't require government sharing due to the Patriot Act.

GLTA
Wally

Ok, and here's a question: IF someone has access to shareholders' e-mails? Why mail to only seven? Why not mail to all?

To me, that's a clue...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:

As mentioned, it's way interesting to me that "toxic financing" seems to be the pivot. As you know, I've never let go of that loan question.

I agree that the "Toxic financing" is the pivot. I do remember that Rufus talk about it and the fact that some of the people involved in it were some of the same people from BBAN.

He did mention that they were attempting to figure out who was entitled to what at some point in time.

Is it possible that he found a loophole and was trying to ace them out? With the offshore nature of the financing, I dougt it would be too difficult for them to short the stock, enlist a few bashers, such as Timothy Miles and aid in getting the SEC involved. If nothing else it makes ofr a great story line.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Tex are you oil strike from Ihub? PM me the answer if you don't want to say here.

lol, I'm still BuyTex there, which was my original nick everywhere, which I was able to streamline everywhere I still post, except for I-hub...

No, I'm only me...don't do the multi-alias thang...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?

There are many people that post email addresses in their profiles. on different sites. Alos many people gave their info to the SHC.

Seems very odd that Rufus and Sabra were talking as recently as his birthday. Rufus was on Subpenny that night and received a call from Sabra and mentioned that they were in contact quite a bit.

From the email, it would seem that much would have been out in the open prior to Rufus being ousted. If that were the case, I doubt Sabra would be calling Rufus to wish him a happy birthday.

Let's see. We have John Smith, that original. A little company in DC that deals with the Patriot Act and most of the information is not something the patriot act would cover since its a lot of private conversation, unless of course everyone's phone is bugged and they are under constant surviellence.

Well, I think I'll file this one in the circular file where it belongs. As far as the information about the businesses Sabra was involved in. I know I saw that when we first DD'ed her months ago. At least any info that didn't require government sharing due to the Patriot Act.

GLTA
Wally

Ok, and here's a question: IF someone has access to shareholders' e-mails? Why mail to only seven? Why not mail to all?

To me, that's a clue...

IMO, that would be overkill and people would immediately be able to figure out how the email addresses were obtained. It makes it much more interesting and mysterious to send it to a select few. Whoever it is knows what he is doing and is getting the desired effect.

The boards are buzzing. Like Tax posted just enough truth to make it all plausible. Then leak it to a select few knowing it will show up on the message boards.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good night to all and to all a good night.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Good night to all and to all a good night.

Good night Pleasant dreams.

Wally
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?

AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?

OK, let's back up

1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"

2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?

3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?

*******

agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.

Ok I couldnt sleep [Wink]

Tex I personally know 2 that recv'd this letter. They are members of a private stock chat room (about 20 pay members). So the randomness of the email to select members itself is interesting.

The email accounts registered were addresses similar to the one I setup for all CSHD related email (cshd*etc...).

The entire thing is crazy
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?

There are many people that post email addresses in their profiles. on different sites. Alos many people gave their info to the SHC.

Seems very odd that Rufus and Sabra were talking as recently as his birthday. Rufus was on Subpenny that night and received a call from Sabra and mentioned that they were in contact quite a bit.

From the email, it would seem that much would have been out in the open prior to Rufus being ousted. If that were the case, I doubt Sabra would be calling Rufus to wish him a happy birthday.

Let's see. We have John Smith, that original. A little company in DC that deals with the Patriot Act and most of the information is not something the patriot act would cover since its a lot of private conversation, unless of course everyone's phone is bugged and they are under constant surviellence.

Well, I think I'll file this one in the circular file where it belongs. As far as the information about the businesses Sabra was involved in. I know I saw that when we first DD'ed her months ago. At least any info that didn't require government sharing due to the Patriot Act.

GLTA
Wally

Ok, and here's a question: IF someone has access to shareholders' e-mails? Why mail to only seven? Why not mail to all?

To me, that's a clue...

IMO, that would be overkill and people would immediately be able to figure out how the email addresses were obtained. It makes it much more interesting and mysterious to send it to a select few. Whoever it is knows what he is doing and is getting the desired effect.

The boards are buzzing. Like Tax posted just enough truth to make it all plausible. Then leak it to a select few knowing it will show up on the message boards.

GLTA
Wally

Logic, there, too...if *all* were e-mailed? It would obviously trace back...

Wally, the "simple" explanation, as I see it, lol...*simple* [Roll Eyes]

is that the PIPE came from *somewhere*, clearly. Perhaps Dabbs? MA apparently praised her as being able to find the "real money." Well, for a struggling "trucking company," $2.5m would be a godsend, eh? That would seem like "real money," no?

Ok, so however the introductions are made, the "four accredited investors" turn out to be Corey Ribotsky, AJW et al...

Legally, the Ribotsky "nexus" now has shares to sell into a run. Nothing illegal, that: they are convertible, after all. Plus, those shares acquired at a market discount, back then...

Sidenote: Legally, those shares can *not* be sold short, as they were acquired "off-market," eh...

However, once it peaks? Being a hedge fund--the offshore AJW--can short on the open market. We know Schwab was gathering shares for some client, yes?

make sense?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
lol give cshd holders abone and theyll chew it all night
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
TEX,

Makes all the sense in the world. THe shorting I was alluding to is exactly what you stated. Except you stated it much more clearly than I did.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?

AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?

OK, let's back up

1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"

2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?

3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?

*******

agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.

Ok I couldnt sleep [Wink]

Tex I personally know 2 that recv'd this letter. They are members of a private stock chat room (about 20 pay members). So the randomness of the email to select members itself is interesting.

The email accounts registered were addresses similar to the one I setup for all CSHD related email (cshd*etc...).

The entire thing is crazy

clearly, our mysterious *someone* either does *not* have access to all shareholder e-mails, OR is indulging in covering tracks...

that part, I agree with 10 of Fed-up-with-it, and you, for that matter: crazy...no value, here, speculating who/how. You can go nutz, staring into the funhouse mirrors...

The "key-in-the-lock" is the dance around the financing...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
TEX,

Makes all the sense in the world. THe shorting I was alluding to is exactly what you stated. Except you stated it much more clearly than I did.

GLTA
Wally

oh, I don't know about that...you post pretty well.

Lol, I do *know* this: from now on, I'm gonna be looking more closely for who those who can make dough either way... [Wink]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
John Smith.....LOL there isn't to many of those.

Its probably Tim Miles or some other jackass.

Taxback, You said you received the email correct??

has anyone traced the origin??
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
TEX,

Makes all the sense in the world. THe shorting I was alluding to is exactly what you stated. Except you stated it much more clearly than I did.

GLTA
Wally

oh, I don't know about that...you post pretty well.

Lol, I do *know* this: from now on, I'm gonna be looking more closely for who those who can make dough either way... [Wink]

Good Morning Was that you on subpenny radio last night?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
John Smith.....LOL there isn't to many of those.

Its probably Tim Miles or some other jackass.

Taxback, You said you received the email correct??

has anyone traced the origin??

No a surfer don't start that rumor. I did not recieve it. I read it on HSM. 7 people supposedly recieved it. 4 of them were on Paltalk at the time.

I think the majority of the letter is bogus. But Tex has raised some good points. Definitely worth entertaining. It is not impossible that the "ugly rumor" is true.
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Just lurking... I guess my opinion as always ...I do believe ole ruffas is gonna go thru hel and back and like he said we will rmrmber his name...Once this is all said and done and the fat lady signs I do believe we are all gonna be exilerated beyond any means possible. My opinion as always but I know in my heart ruffas is gonna fix this and he also mentioned a long time ago at the bbq that we would be on the greys someone said etc mo [Wink]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
"we are all gonna be exilerated beyond any means possible."

what?
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Good morning all.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
John Smith.....LOL there isn't to many of those.

Its probably Tim Miles or some other jackass.

Taxback, You said you received the email correct??

has anyone traced the origin??

No a surfer don't start that rumor. I did not recieve it. I read it on HSM. 7 people supposedly recieved it. 4 of them were on Paltalk at the time.

I think the majority of the letter is bogus. But Tex has raised some good points. Definitely worth entertaining. It is not impossible that the "ugly rumor" is true.

Sorry Tax!! I misunderstood.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I will tell you one thing that definitely made me skeptical. This sentence from the email sounds just like something I heard from Dr. Mensah once.

quote:

If the people mentioned deny what I have found out, make them put it in writing.

[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
just my opinion! i just think it will all work out for us [Wink]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Also, I had to go look it up in my DD again but Sabra's "The Corporate Credit Firm" definitely has a name like a company that help's company's with bad credit, but I had it down as an risky Auto Loan business. Here is the link.


http://www.4credit.com/credit-bureaus/credit_bureau_in_Alpharetta_Georgia_1127.h tml

The address matches up with the registration doc that was posted last night too.

http://www.ganet.org/cgi-bin/pub/corp/corpsearch?corpid=0342347


from the email:
quote:
Sabra also had a company called The Corporate Credit Firm that for $5,000.00 would help companies build a corporate credit profile. She was reselling them a $600.00 Dunn &Bradstreet credit profile.

 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well that is what I get for going too fast in my DD. "The Corporate Credit Firm" is listed as a Credit Reporting Agency. Which holds up with the email. Every listing on that link... has that same paragraph on it. It is an advertisement.

http://www.4credit.com/credit-bureaus/credit_bureau_in_Alpharetta_Georgia_1127.h tml

So there you go.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Oh Tex... I am not liking the "feeling" I am getting.

The SEC shutting down the company would have concluded the email and the entire deal because it would in effect sever the ties to the paper trail. My question is why would Sabra if she set things up... why would she attempt to take CSHD over? What changed from the original plan if there was one.

Additionally, if Sabra was in contact with the SHC why would they not place her in charge rather that Tut? IMO it would make more sense. She supposedly wanted the position enough to try and throw Rufus from the train. She had the bond contacts and the bond experience.

Bad feeling gone. Thanks for letting me talk that out loud. If it was a pump on real shares and a dump on fake ones the fight for control at the end and the 6:1 ratio does not make any sense. If it was planned to let the company fold following the criminal activity then filing proof of the bonds with the court, slapping shorts with 6:1, and attempting a take over to "save" the business for herself makes little sense.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Woohoo I own this thread... {crickets} [Frown]

Hello... {listens for the echo}
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
You go Tax! You're on a roll!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Toxic financing...oh the horror!!!

This makes a bit more sense now. I guess Rufus was after some toxic financers. The NSS would go along with this. I think these are the people that were involved with FHAL that were involved with BBAN. Mike said he couldn't understand why FHAL's stock price was falling when he was getting new contracts...toxic financing! He also said that Rufus came in and told him who was involved (the financers I now believe) and Mike didn't think he should have known about them.

Very interesting. At least the sands are back moving through the hour glass.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
no trades yet? think the bottom is about to fall out?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Last time it was halted everyone did cartwheels thinking of reset etc... then the bottom of the SEC complaint fell out LOL!

Its just nice to see some chatter- even if it is pure speculation. Its more interesting than nothing [Wink]

Hope everyone has a good day!
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
I still don't understand why this thing doesn't just keep falling. We've been channeling between 0.15 and 0.20 for some time now. Where's the value? If there was perceived value, I would think that as time continues to tick by without any news, whatever perceived value there was would continue to diminish - along with the PPS. Thoughts, anyone? Are there really that many people just holding their shares and not willing to sell below these levels? Another thing - the trade volume seems to have remained respectable since we started back on the greys - obviously there are people selling (which I can understand) - but who is buying? - people trying to flip? Does that even make sense in this environment?
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
I still don't understand why this thing doesn't just keep falling. We've been channeling between 0.15 and 0.20 for some time now. Where's the value? If there was perceived value, I would think that as time continues to tick by without any news, whatever perceived value there was would continue to diminish - along with the PPS. Thoughts, anyone? Are there really that many people just holding their shares and not willing to sell below these levels? Another thing - the trade volume seems to have remained respectable since we started back on the greys - obviously there are people selling (which I can understand) - but who is buying? - people trying to flip? Does that even make sense in this environment?

Not sure, but I have seen a couple of greys that channel like this that would be excellent flips if you have a little patience. Would I put in several K? No, but a couple of hundred, yep.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT:

voted in today by the SEC

Antifraud Provision under the Investment Advisers Act of 1940. The proposal would make it a fraudulent, deceptive, or manipulative act, practice, or course of business for an investment adviser to a pooled investment vehicle to make false or misleading statements or to otherwise defraud investors or prospective investors in that pool. The rule would apply to all investment advisers to pooled investment vehicles, regardless of whether the adviser is registered under the Advisers Act. Under the proposed rule, a pooled investment vehicle would include any investment company and any company that would be an investment company but for the exclusions in sections 3(c)(1) or 3(c)(7) of the Investment Company Act.

Amendments to Private Offering Rules under the Securities Act of 1933. The proposals would define a new category of accredited investor that would apply to offers and sales of securities issued by hedge funds and other private investment pools to natural persons. The proposed definition would include any natural person who (a) meets either the net worth test or income test specified in rule 501(a) or rule 215, as applicable, and (b) owns at least $2.5 million in investments, as defined in the proposed rules.


http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2006/2006-208.htm

Take that hedgie!
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
I still don't understand why this thing doesn't just keep falling. We've been channeling between 0.15 and 0.20 for some time now. Where's the value? If there was perceived value, I would think that as time continues to tick by without any news, whatever perceived value there was would continue to diminish - along with the PPS. Thoughts, anyone? Are there really that many people just holding their shares and not willing to sell below these levels? Another thing - the trade volume seems to have remained respectable since we started back on the greys - obviously there are people selling (which I can understand) - but who is buying? - people trying to flip? Does that even make sense in this environment?

if this were shorted to the tune of 8,10,15 million shares or more as many have speculated then perhaps shorts are covering at .15/.16 after selling short at 1.5+ taking everthing they can for a nice 90 percent profit! once they are gone volume would dry up and the price WOULD fall ALOT, why wait to try and buy back to cover at .015?. with way lower volume it might be VERY hard to cover millions of shorts, could take many months, the year is almost done. short covering may be propping up the price! with GTC buy orders for millions of shares standing MM`s would fill those orders and when they are filled and no buyers are left at these prices the fall to the bottom would begin, you cant sell short on the greys, nothing says you cant buy to cover! just a thought?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Toxic financing...oh the horror!!!

This makes a bit more sense now. I guess Rufus was after some toxic financers. The NSS would go along with this. I think these are the people that were involved with FHAL that were involved with BBAN. Mike said he couldn't understand why FHAL's stock price was falling when he was getting new contracts...toxic financing! He also said that Rufus came in and told him who was involved (the financers I now believe) and Mike didn't think he should have known about them.

Very interesting. At least the sands are back moving through the hour glass.

MA knew: Obviously, he was in charge when the deal was made...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Hey glass...i've been waiting for some comments on that email from you...
seems to be that some of these posts may be right up to what your thoughts have been all along...
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Toxic financing...oh the horror!!!

This makes a bit more sense now. I guess Rufus was after some toxic financers. The NSS would go along with this. I think these are the people that were involved with FHAL that were involved with BBAN. Mike said he couldn't understand why FHAL's stock price was falling when he was getting new contracts...toxic financing! He also said that Rufus came in and told him who was involved (the financers I now believe) and Mike didn't think he should have known about them.

Very interesting. At least the sands are back moving through the hour glass.

MA knew: Obviously, he was in charge when the deal was made...
I'm sure MA knew about the financing, but I wonder if he knew about toxic financing. I wonder if Sabra sold him a bunch of BS...enough to make him feel like the financing was on the up and up and that it would give him the boost to make FHAL work. I think he never thought they would manipulate the stock and drive the pps down.
IMO.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
milliam, have you seen Rufus lately. If I lived as close to his stable as you do, i'd go visit him and see whats up. You know talk some sense or something.


quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Toxic financing...oh the horror!!!

This makes a bit more sense now. I guess Rufus was after some toxic financers. The NSS would go along with this. I think these are the people that were involved with FHAL that were involved with BBAN. Mike said he couldn't understand why FHAL's stock price was falling when he was getting new contracts...toxic financing! He also said that Rufus came in and told him who was involved (the financers I now believe) and Mike didn't think he should have known about them.

Very interesting. At least the sands are back moving through the hour glass.

MA knew: Obviously, he was in charge when the deal was made...
I'm sure MA knew about the financing, but I wonder if he knew about toxic financing. I wonder if Sabra sold him a bunch of BS...enough to make him feel like the financing was on the up and up and that it would give him the boost to make FHAL work. I think he never thought they would manipulate the stock and drive the pps down.
IMO.


 
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68.233.190.156
United States- Cumming, GA
ISP- Adelphia
Metro Code- Atlanta, GA *metro code 524*
Area code 770
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Who do yall know that lives in Cummings, Ga.?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So, since "toxic financing" is new to me i did some reading. Is this article similar to what these rumors are saying?

http://www.rgm.com/articles/predatororprey.html

I read parts of it and hope to read more later. Its sickengly interesting
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Theres a lot of stuff to talk about, but that was all supposed to be worked and thought out going forward with this company, Rufus and Ben were supposed to have everything worked out. Am I being too nieve?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
One thing in that header that sends flags off in my head is the reference to Hanmail Daum Web Mailer 1.1... It is a Korean mailer that I have run into several times when dealing with email spoofs.
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
No, you are not being too naïve. If you recall, the SEC, NSS, and bashers “grabbed the wrong tiger by the tail”, so Rufus claimed. In addition, Rufus was going to hire us (CSHD) a “bulldog” of an attorney because “we are going on the offensive”.

I think the tiger’s belly was so gorged with our money that he became incapacitated with consumption. He took one look at those bank accounts and said, “Get in my belly!” Hence, the reason he never “got around” to retaining an SEC attorney.

Go get em’, Tiger … You’re Grrrrrreat!


quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Theres a lot of stuff to talk about, but that was all supposed to be worked and thought out going forward with this company, Rufus and Ben were supposed to have everything worked out. Am I being too nieve?


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Lol- TM is back [Wink]
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So, since "toxic financing" is new to me i did some reading. Is this article similar to what these rumors are saying?

http://www.rgm.com/articles/predatororprey.html

I read parts of it and hope to read more later. Its sickengly interesting

"Its sickengly interesting" . . . that's a good way to describe it.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
68.233.190.156
United States- Cumming, GA
ISP- Adelphia
Metro Code- Atlanta, GA *metro code 524*
Area code 770

Local office information for Adelphia

Address
415 Veterans Memorial Parkway
Cumming, GA 30040

Customer Service
1-888-683-1000
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
--edit-- never mind then.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
that just shows the location of the ISP (internet service provider)
What is an isp (Internet Service Provider)?
isp definition
An ISP (Internet service provider) is a company that provides individuals and other companies access to the Internet and other related services such as Web site building and virtual hosting. An ISP has the equipment and the telecommunication line access required to have a point-of-presence on the Internet for the geographic area served.

 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Wow...this LP guy is just pumpin' away over at HSM:

Today, 12:40 PM #14452
LP640
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 89 Quote:
Originally Posted by IronGuillotine
Funny you should say, a while back I was talking about getting MasterLock belt buckles... I buckled up and threw away my key...

now that is funny. shorters better buy them masterlock belt buckles hehe imo news is coming today or tomorrow. buy on rumor but you might not wanna sell on news!!!!
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
haha...he said hehe...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Big brother is watching. Now all we need to do is find out who lives there. What toothpaste they use etc,.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
I know...can't someone that lives around there go play GIJoe and "camp out" in the woods to see who lives there... [Razz]

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Big brother is watching. Now all we need to do is find out who lives there. What toothpaste they use etc,.


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya that would be fun.

(QUOTE]Originally posted by CRab:
I know...can't someone that lives around there go play GIJoe and "camp out" in the woods to see who lives there... [Razz]

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Big brother is watching. Now all we need to do is find out who lives there. What toothpaste they use etc,.

[/QUOTE]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OK Crab and 6 ~ I checked IPs from several emails in my own address book on that IP site. emails where I knew the address of origination. None checked out.

Most of the satilite pictures brought me down in the middle of a field or city. It gets you close.

The poor guy that owns that mansion is gonna have Milliam hanging out in a pop tent in his garden at the rate you guys are going. HAHA!!

Milliam in a pop tent in some guys garden!... LOL [Big Grin]

Sorry Milliam you are the only GA person I know on here.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
yeah...I've been trying like mad to get an address from google earth backtracking the addresses on that street...but I get to 240 Castleberry(Wheeler's Contractor Supply) and then I can't seem to locate the next address on the street...it is right down the road though...

found it...

3542 Castleberry Rd, Cumming, Forsyth, Georgia 30040, United States

and you are right Tax...it's showing my IP as someplace right outside the quarter...which isn't even on the correct side of the river...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Holy Crap- You guys are good!!!!!!!!!!!!! Are you PI's in your spare time?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Not sure if ip-address dot com website has accurate IP to street address information. Given the nature of DHCP and the Adelphia cable network I wouldn't be suprised if the IP address was owned by more than one person in the last week or two.

That being said- the odds of that site being dead on is slim to none. In order for a site to pull such geo-location it would have to be integrated into the Cable TV companies IP backbone.

If it was I would say thats the 1st instance of that type of integration I have ever seen.

By the way- The address approximation is:

3647 Castleberry Rd, Cumming, GA
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Just saw ur post Crab- I might have been off as I was looking at the block #'s [Wink]
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Well the address can be anywhere from 3540-3568 on castleberry using the property lines...if that is even the right location...satellites are neato, lol...beyond that...I don't even know what we're looking at...
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Looks like I missed something today? What's up?
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Looks like I missed something today? What's up?

We’re using satellites to locate logs in the Amazon. [Eek!]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Is this the "Ranch" ?


http://www.zillow.com/HomeDetails.htm?zprop=14096338
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
1310 Parcel No: 0028 00267001
Legal Desc: LL267-310 LD17
Prop Addr: 150 MOORE RD
Tot Acres: 43.49
Deed Book: 00692 Deed Page: 0433
Plat Book: Plat Page:
Nbrhd Name: Euharlee
Nbrhd Code: 00700
Owner
Name: TEEMS RONNIE R & TEEMS BEVERLY A
Address : 150 MOORE RD
City, State, ZIP: KINGSTON, GA 30145
Values
Land Total: $144,600.00
Building Total: $229,360.00
Accessories Total: $13,200.00
Conservation Value: $36,940.00
Estimated Appraised Value: $279,500.00
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
ha ha ~~

This thread is like the local lounge ~

After the day is done everyone comes here and hangs out ~ [Smile]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
ha ha ~~

This thread is like the local lounge ~

After the day is done everyone comes here and hangs out ~ [Smile]

Yeah I"m bored, just posting dumb DD. lol
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
68.233.190.156
United States- Cumming, GA
ISP- Adelphia
Metro Code- Atlanta, GA *metro code 524*
Area code 770

Local office information for Adelphia

Address
415 Veterans Memorial Parkway
Cumming, GA 30040

Customer Service
1-888-683-1000

Tax, what was this address from?- I did a reverse look up & this is what came up.....


Prestige Ad Sales
415 Veterans Memorial Blvd

Cumming, GA 30040

(770) 844-8255


and this:

Prestige Vision
415 Veterans Memorial Blvd

Cumming, GA 30040

(770) 844-8255


Here's the link where I got this from...

http://www.whitepages.com/10001/search/ReverseAddress?housenumber=415&street=Vet erans+Memorial+Parkway&city_zip=Cumming+&state_id=GA
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
No Chart just you... [Big Grin] You must be too busy over at your baby PBLS to hang out here durring the day anymore.

Oh yeah and the fact that nothing is happening here doesn't hurt. [Smile]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
68.233.190.156
United States- Cumming, GA
ISP- Adelphia
Metro Code- Atlanta, GA *metro code 524*
Area code 770

Local office information for Adelphia

Address
415 Veterans Memorial Parkway
Cumming, GA 30040

Customer Service
1-888-683-1000

Tax, what was this address from?- I did a reverse look up & this is what came up.....


Prestige Ad Sales
415 Veterans Memorial Blvd

Cumming, GA 30040

(770) 844-8255


and this:

Prestige Vision
415 Veterans Memorial Blvd

Cumming, GA 30040

(770) 844-8255


Here's the link where I got this from...

http://www.whitepages.com/10001/search/ReverseAddress?housenumber=415&street=Vet erans+Memorial+Parkway&city_zip=Cumming+&state_id=GA

Adelphia - The cable company providing Mr. X with his service.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good evening Board.
Chart , where have you been? It's nice you checked in, I thought your computor was still broken. [Razz]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
ha ha ~~

This thread is like the local lounge ~

After the day is done everyone comes here and hangs out ~ [Smile]

and it just drives repo nuts... [Razz]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
What is going on here in this thread? What are you guys looking up IP addresses for?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Tex,
Are you out there? Heard ya on SPR, you really are from the south, aren't ya?
Am I posting better today? Watch this- [Smile]

Who says you can't teach an old lady new tricks?
Haha , not really old, just a computer dummy.Lol
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
don't wory...I'll be old with ya...it aint that bad... [Wink]
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Tex,
Are you out there? Heard ya on SPR, you really are from the south, aren't ya?
Am I posting better today? Watch this- [Smile]

Who says you can't teach an old lady new tricks?
Haha , not really old, just a computer dummy.Lol


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Stocktrader..not really yet...a new poster on HSM is also posting that something will happen by the 18th...He's pumpin the heck out of it...which I don't like...i'd hate to see some new blood get caught in this mess...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Thanks 10, I enjoy the company. Lol
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Stocktrader..not really yet...a new poster on HSM is also posting that something will happen by the 18th...He's pumpin the heck out of it...which I don't like...i'd hate to see some new blood get caught in this mess...

It is unfortunate people won't admit this play is over.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I just wish that i could also be with you on the kids are grown and gone thing...ARRRGGGHHH what was I thinking? LOL
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Thanks 10, I enjoy the company. Lol


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
You know that will not happen until there is NO TRADING on grey sheets or anything...and that could be a very long time...
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Stocktrader..not really yet...a new poster on HSM is also posting that something will happen by the 18th...He's pumpin the heck out of it...which I don't like...i'd hate to see some new blood get caught in this mess...

It is unfortunate people won't admit this play is over.

 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
You know that will not happen until there is NO TRADING on grey sheets or anything...and that could be a very long time...
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Stocktrader..not really yet...a new poster on HSM is also posting that something will happen by the 18th...He's pumpin the heck out of it...which I don't like...i'd hate to see some new blood get caught in this mess...

It is unfortunate people won't admit this play is over.

What are people even looking forward to? CSHD doesn't own the bonds or even get a share of them. The cease and desist was probably real back in the day. John is just as sketchy as Rufus. What are people waiting for, how can John turn this around. This company was only based off the bonds, what can bring the price up?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Stocktrader..not really yet...a new poster on HSM is also posting that something will happen by the 18th...He's pumpin the heck out of it...which I don't like...i'd hate to see some new blood get caught in this mess...

It is unfortunate people won't admit this play is over.
trading in the grays means in most cases that noobs won't be able to buy without a human broker

that at least is something...


10? as far as that email being along my line of thought from the beginning? i would say a definite maybe [Confused]

i don't like to speculate too much about what may be criminal behaviour...

people say "nobody loans money they don't expect to collect" but that is simply not true...

there are dozens of reasons people make loans they don't want to collect on.... all of them that i am aware of are designed to circumvent taxes or the law or both...

that email mentions laundering from offshore accounts....

from my example? i wouldn't call passing timberlands around money laundering, but it may be a legitimate or illegitimate way to avoid paying taxes.... i dunno, i don't really care since i don't participate in the game...

it could even generate a positive tax situation for the person that forgives the loan, from the loss write-off..

bringing offshore money back into the country by way of a loan? that could raise red flags at law enforcement agencies
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Hey, I've got a tent and some days off coming up. Sold my night vision last year, but I've still got some good binoculars.

I'd love to go talk with Rufus, but its a long drive for him to not be there. I wouldn't know where to go...the ranch, his house, or where ever. I'm going to try to contact him and see if I can arrange something.

New2...I can't tell, but that doesn't look like where the BBQ was. I'll have to look that up tonight and see if I can post a picture.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Anyone really bored? I never thought I'd say this, but reading HSM is very entertaining!
I checked in a little while last night and again tonight. Funny posts over there , that's for sure.
Some people never give up! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Toxic financing...oh the horror!!!

This makes a bit more sense now. I guess Rufus was after some toxic financers. The NSS would go along with this. I think these are the people that were involved with FHAL that were involved with BBAN. Mike said he couldn't understand why FHAL's stock price was falling when he was getting new contracts...toxic financing! He also said that Rufus came in and told him who was involved (the financers I now believe) and Mike didn't think he should have known about them.

Very interesting. At least the sands are back moving through the hour glass.

MA knew: Obviously, he was in charge when the deal was made...
I'm sure MA knew about the financing, but I wonder if he knew about toxic financing. I wonder if Sabra sold him a bunch of BS...enough to make him feel like the financing was on the up and up and that it would give him the boost to make FHAL work. I think he never thought they would manipulate the stock and drive the pps down.
IMO.

you're positing MA as a "smart guy," a tough CEO, a competent executive...yet, he can't DD Corey Ribotsky?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Whats with this LP640 poster on HSM? Its like a Tut copycat

http://www.h otst ockmarket.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45049&page=1490

i will end the night with this. everyone do not trust anyone and anything unless it comes from the company. again i am here to pump hearts and to keep the thread alive and well. it is not a joke for me. for you diabolical liars out there you are falling for my trap. when i get to the bottom of it and have enough evidence i will expose you. i love people in general but i dislike even cons more. keep an eye and ear for each other. there is something def not right on both sides. i hope to find out any way i can. good night everyone see you in the morning. be pumped up and ready
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So, since "toxic financing" is new to me i did some reading. Is this article similar to what these rumors are saying?

http://www.rgm.com/articles/predatororprey.html

I read parts of it and hope to read more later. Its sickengly interesting

Holy Moly!

"toxic financing" is new for you?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Theres a lot of stuff to talk about, but that was all supposed to be worked and thought out going forward with this company, Rufus and Ben were supposed to have everything worked out. Am I being too nieve?

lol, *what* was all "worked and thought out" ?

The Play?
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Anyone with an answer to this?

What are people even looking forward to? CSHD doesn't own the bonds or even get a share of them. The cease and desist was probably real back in the day. John is just as sketchy as Rufus. What are people waiting for, how can John turn this around. This company was only based off the bonds, what can bring the price up?
 
Posted by 66inxs on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Theres a lot of stuff to talk about, but that was all supposed to be worked and thought out going forward with this company, Rufus and Ben were supposed to have everything worked out. Am I being too nieve?

lol, *what* was all "worked and thought out" ?

The Play?

the correct answer is:

(d) none of the above!!!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
How exactly can you say CSHD doesn't own the bonds or even a share of them? I don't think we know that for a fact.

The c&d might have been real, but I'm not real sure...I know Rufus said that the Caracas group didn't want to have their indentities revealed.

I think you're right...its all about the bonds. I hope we own them, but I guess time will tell.
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Anyone with an answer to this?

what can bring the price up?

a forward split is my best guess [Big Grin]

LOL
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Anyone with an answer to this?

what can bring the price up?

a forward split is my best guess [Big Grin]

LOL

LMAO

nice one [Smile]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Tex,
Are you out there? Heard ya on SPR, you really are from the south, aren't ya?
Am I posting better today? Watch this- [Smile]

Who says you can't teach an old lady new tricks?
Haha , not really old, just a computer dummy.Lol

the south?

hell to da no...I'm from Texas [Wink]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So, since "toxic financing" is new to me i did some reading. Is this article similar to what these rumors are saying?

http://www.rgm.com/articles/predatororprey.html

I read parts of it and hope to read more later. Its sickengly interesting

Holy Moly!

"toxic financing" is new for you?

Relative to you and many others on the board ALL of this is new to me. [Smile]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Stocktrader..not really yet...a new poster on HSM is also posting that something will happen by the 18th...He's pumpin the heck out of it...which I don't like...i'd hate to see some new blood get caught in this mess...

It is unfortunate people won't admit this play is over.
trading in the grays means in most cases that noobs won't be able to buy without a human broker

that at least is something...


10? as far as that email being along my line of thought from the beginning? i would say a definite maybe [Confused]

i don't like to speculate too much about what may be criminal behaviour...

people say "nobody loans money they don't expect to collect" but that is simply not true...

there are dozens of reasons people make loans they don't want to collect on.... all of them that i am aware of are designed to circumvent taxes or the law or both...

that email mentions laundering from offshore accounts....

from my example? i wouldn't call passing timberlands around money laundering, but it may be a legitimate or illegitimate way to avoid paying taxes.... i dunno, i don't really care since i don't participate in the game...

it could even generate a positive tax situation for the person that forgives the loan, from the loss write-off..

bringing offshore money back into the country by way of a loan? that could raise red flags at law enforcement agencies

lol, your idea is Ribotsky/AJW made a loan intended to be forgiven...? or, at some point later, the decision was made to forgive?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
How exactly can you say CSHD doesn't own the bonds or even a share of them? I don't think we know that for a fact.

The c&d might have been real, but I'm not real sure...I know Rufus said that the Caracas group didn't want to have their indentities revealed.

I think you're right...its all about the bonds. I hope we own them, but I guess time will tell.

The SEC posits that the ownership is not as claimed.

1) It's a problem when the USA's chief regulatory agency can't/won't verify a dadgum bond, eh?

2) It's another problem when neither the CEO in charge at the time nor the company left behind bothers to reply to motions for default.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So, since "toxic financing" is new to me i did some reading. Is this article similar to what these rumors are saying?

http://www.rgm.com/articles/predatororprey.html

I read parts of it and hope to read more later. Its sickengly interesting

Holy Moly!

"toxic financing" is new for you?

Relative to you and many others on the board ALL of this is new to me. [Smile]
Wow...

Perhaps I mis-read your posting history...I got the idea you were saying you knew a lot about "ALL of this"...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Tex,
Are you out there? Heard ya on SPR, you really are from the south, aren't ya?
Am I posting better today? Watch this- [Smile]

Who says you can't teach an old lady new tricks?
Haha , not really old, just a computer dummy.Lol

the south?

hell to da no...I'm from Texas [Wink]

I live in Michigan..So your way south from me.

I know we have funny accents,or so I've been told [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So, i was at the mall today and i could over hear this guy talking. He was a big jolly guy in a red suit and white beard, he kinda stuck out. Anyway, i heard him talking about how every year he hired Mike Alexander over at Fronthaul to handle third party logistics for some "big shipment". Apparently this year his contract is all tied up with some merger deal so hes not sure if Alexander will be able to help him out. I dont know what the contract was, it sounded like it just for one night but the way he talked its a really huge deal. I think he said he hoped it all would be worked out by December 25th so i think thats a key date.

Ok everyone....fat man in a red suit, big project, and december 25th. That should get your DD started!!

Im off to bed. Good night. [Smile]

---------------------
Disclaimer : This is a parody of course heh
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So, since "toxic financing" is new to me i did some reading. Is this article similar to what these rumors are saying?

http://www.rgm.com/articles/predatororprey.html

I read parts of it and hope to read more later. Its sickengly interesting

Holy Moly!

"toxic financing" is new for you?

Relative to you and many others on the board ALL of this is new to me. [Smile]
Wow...

Perhaps I mis-read your posting history...I got the idea you were saying you knew a lot about "ALL of this"...

Well, ive been around since before the FHAL/CVSU merger if thats what you mean. My general stock knowledge is low...but improving thanks to this mess
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So, i was at the mall today and i could over hear this guy talking. He was a big jolly guy in a red suit and white beard, he kinda stuck out. Anyway, i heard him talking about how every year he hired Mike Alexander over at Fronthaul to handle third party logistics for some "big shipment". Apparently this year his contract is all tied up with some merger deal so hes not sure if Alexander will be able to help him out. I dont know what the contract was, it sounded like it just for one night but the way he talked its a really huge deal. I think he said he hoped it all would be worked out by December 25th so i think thats a key date.

Ok everyone....fat man in a red suit, big project, and december 25th. That should get your DD started!!

Im off to bed. Good night. [Smile]

---------------------
Disclaimer : This is a parody of course heh

LOL!!!!!!!!! I'm going to get right on this one.
Hopefully by tomorrow I'll have some DD.

Night Cat.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
People are seeming pretty confident over on HSM. I think the new "pumper" is doing a good job. Nice to see someone with a positive attitude, and some of the comments tell me they just may be "privy".

I on the other hand am also pretty confident. Ordered Chinese in for the family tonight, and as I started to catch up on posts here tonight my wife tossed me my fortune cookie. I know those things are mass printed and a joke but mine was pretty specific.

"Success will be yours at home and in business in the next month."

I laughed pretty hard and told my sensible CSHD doubting wife who is never afraid to take a jab at our drama. She laughed and then read her fourtune.

"Do not hide your feelings. Let others know where you stand."

It was too funny.

So... Hey everyone! This is my month! HAHA!! $$$$ [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So, since "toxic financing" is new to me i did some reading. Is this article similar to what these rumors are saying?

http://www.rgm.com/articles/predatororprey.html

I read parts of it and hope to read more later. Its sickengly interesting

Holy Moly!

"toxic financing" is new for you?

Relative to you and many others on the board ALL of this is new to me. [Smile]
Wow...

Perhaps I mis-read your posting history...I got the idea you were saying you knew a lot about "ALL of this"...

Well, ive been around since before the FHAL/CVSU merger if thats what you mean. My general stock knowledge is low...but improving thanks to this mess
"My general stock knowledge is low."

lol...*I* get that...

Perhaps you don't understand how many newbie/lurkers read these threads... ?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Tex, are you trying to say i try to come off like i know things when maybe i dont? I dont follow. Do i not use "IMO" enough or is it something else? Do you feel that i unintentionally (or worse yet intentionally) mislead people on the board?

Perhaps i do understand how many newbies/lurkers read these threads but perhaps i dont understand what it was that pulled your chain. Youre often quite difficult to read. IMO
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Tex, are you trying to say i try to come off like i know things when maybe i dont? I dont follow. Do i not use "IMO" enough or is it something else? Do you feel that i unintentionally (or worse yet intentionally) mislead people on the board?

Perhaps i do understand how many newbies/lurkers read these threads but perhaps i dont understand what it was that pulled your chain. Youre often quite difficult to read. IMO

"i try to come off like i know things when maybe i dont?"

yup...that's fair...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex? Be nice to Mr. Cat...
Cat you post fine...
I don't recall you comin' off as "knowin'" everything...

I agree...sometimes these posts are hard to read...and the "tone' gets confusing...that's what these are for...
[Mad] [Roll Eyes] [Eek!] [Smile] [Confused] [Razz] [Wink]

Night all.... [Cool]
 
Posted by *Mag* on :
 
hmmmmm I think that 1 is taken.®.®.®.


 -
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
oops...

thanks, mag

notice the edit...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by *Mag*:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
oops...

thanks, mag

notice the edit...

lol even though I aint been postin on all these threads don't mean I aint readin em  - Good Knight my friend!
ya...

how'd the most recent round-up play go? We love our geekies...
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
Got a new geekie, Tex? I love those. What's on your plate? Sometimes r/s's are your friend, lol.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bilgert:
Got a new geekie, Tex? I love those. What's on your plate? Sometimes r/s's are your friend, lol.

posted one the other day...can't remember the ticker, right now. As I recall? $10 would get $500, in a perfect world... but it *was* thinly traded. In those, I figger a discount, say $10 --> $300. Another good reason for multiple accounts...

Mag posted a pretty decent one before that one, and a few expressed interest, but I don't know how that one played out.
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
PAQC to PAQN happened recently; I missed that one [Frown] was that what you were talking about?
 
Posted by BlackWidow on :
 
Ok, I have been living out of the country for the past three months. I just left my shares sit figuring I would check in at Christmas time and be wealthy as promised. But something seems to be wrong. Where are our 6:1 shares? Where is our $15 per share price reset? Is Rufus a crook? Can he simply tell the lies he did and NOT go to jail? Just like Frank Olsen did? Why did the SEC investigate, tank the PPS, then not file charges against Rufus, et al?

TIA
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Why did the SEC investigate, tank the PPS, then not file charges against Rufus, et al?

Best question of the week!!!
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
FWIW:

Last night on HSM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ALady in the House
tomorrow is another day a good day!!!

tomorrow just keep your eyes open. have a good night
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
oops...

thanks, mag

notice the edit...

Ahh very nice.......

I see you deleted my post, but you kindly left your posts there. I'll post again. I expect an explaination for your comments last night, publically. You made your point now back it up. Or do you prefer coming off like you did?

Maybe you feel you are "above the law" being a mod so you dont need to answer for your actions? If you feel you were correct with your posts then you should have no problem explaining them. Orrrrr, now that you have "slept it off" maybe you cant remember why you started the comments to being with?

As a mod i think you should have more responsiblity on the boards. Maybe uhtil you can work that out you should step down as a mod for a bit?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I wish some people would refain from popping their head in on this thread everyday just to be condesending to others...it's really unbecoming and annoying.....

Low self esteem is what triggers a condesending nature.

Play nice here tonight......
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Morning fhalyesss, surfer, & Mr.Cat....

Good Mornin' all.....maybe it will be a good day..
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
Just dropping in to say hi guys. Been to busy to be on the board. Goodluck to everyone
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Jenna its always a good day!!!

A day is what you make of it!

I know I will have a good day!

Good morning.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I'm going to make it a good day....surf's up!!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
Good Morning eveyone

Cat I didn't see anything wrong with your posts.
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
Hey Jenna, did you ever get that trip to Vegas put together?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
oops...

thanks, mag

notice the edit...

Ahh very nice.......

I see you deleted my post, but you kindly left your posts there. I'll post again. I expect an explaination for your comments last night, publically. You made your point now back it up. Or do you prefer coming off like you did?

Maybe you feel you are "above the law" being a mod so you dont need to answer for your actions? If you feel you were correct with your posts then you should have no problem explaining them. Orrrrr, now that you have "slept it off" maybe you cant remember why you started the comments to being with?

As a mod i think you should have more responsiblity on the boards. Maybe uhtil you can work that out you should step down as a mod for a bit?

I should be a mod... that would make Allstocks like Congress... some reps from one party, some from another.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rich - no, actually I'm working on it this weekend I think....I'm going to look into Feb....I'll let people know & then if they want to make their reservations they can....sound good? You already have it planned for yourself right?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rich - no, actually I'm working on it this weekend I think....I'm going to look into Feb....I'll let people know & then if they want to make their reservations they can....sound good? You already have it planned for yourself right?

I'll be in Las Vegas for the WSOP in June... you guys can come and lose MORE money to me.
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rich - no, actually I'm working on it this weekend I think....I'm going to look into Feb....I'll let people know & then if they want to make their reservations they can....sound good? You already have it planned for yourself right?

Yep, I'll be out there Feb 22-26
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Perfect - I was thinking 4 days anyway!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rich - no, actually I'm working on it this weekend I think....I'm going to look into Feb....I'll let people know & then if they want to make their reservations they can....sound good? You already have it planned for yourself right?

I'll be in Las Vegas for the WSOP in June... you guys can come and lose MORE money to me.
Ok- (LOSE my lunch)

Good Morning Repo!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Good Morning fhalyesss, surfer, & Mr.Cat....

Good Mornin' all.....maybe it will be a good day..

Good morning! And a beautiful December morning it is. SE michigan, 42 degrees on December 15?! [Smile]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
oops...

thanks, mag

notice the edit...

Ahh very nice.......

I see you deleted my post, but you kindly left your posts there. I'll post again. I expect an explaination for your comments last night, publically. You made your point now back it up. Or do you prefer coming off like you did?

Maybe you feel you are "above the law" being a mod so you dont need to answer for your actions? If you feel you were correct with your posts then you should have no problem explaining them. Orrrrr, now that you have "slept it off" maybe you cant remember why you started the comments to being with?

As a mod i think you should have more responsiblity on the boards. Maybe uhtil you can work that out you should step down as a mod for a bit?

I should be a mod... that would make Allstocks like Congress... some reps from one party, some from another.
they let inmates run penitentiaries don't they?
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Good morning all.
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Hope some are in IFLI.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Morning all...what news could ladyinthehouse be alluding to? Rufus back in [Big Grin] . Something needs to happen, the amount of drama is getting low [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Anyone interested in a R/M. MQPH. listed in the hotstocks thread?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good morning Board.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
6? Post it...and maybe others will...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I wonder who talks the most? [Razz]

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Morning all...what news could ladyinthehouse be alluding to? Rufus back in [Big Grin] . Something needs to happen, the amount of drama is getting low [Big Grin] .


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
6? Post it...and maybe others will...

10 what do you mean. it's at the top of the hotstocks right here with cshd.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Hello everybody. I have been on another planet for the past three months, and we know all Ma Bell and AOL have not expanded beyond this planet so I have not been able to keep up on this Blagh, blagh, blagh... Ba-Blagh, blagh, blagh...


HEY goooood morning. Hoping the "little birdies" are chirping about something real. But who cares THIS IS MY MONTH!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Raise your hand if you still fall for the SHC websight.
I can't stop from looking {often}to see an update.
Am I the only nerd doing this? [Frown]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Yes
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
10 and Jenna,
Have either of you did any DD on Cat's story last night? I have and am not sure if the guy in the red suit is real or not.
Let me know if either of you or anyone on the board has proff of him. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Morning folks. Happy Friday.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
6...I didn't know there was already a thread..thought you were wanting to start a thread...sorry...I just read it wrong..
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Yes

Yes, I'm a nerd? thanks 6 [Razz]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
6...I didn't know there was already a thread..thought you were wanting to start a thread...sorry...I just read it wrong..

10 OK
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Oh yeah..although i've never seen him...it is the only real answer for the gifts on the 25th and the half eaten Christmas cookie...
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
10 and Jenna,
Have either of you did any DD on Cat's story last night? I have and am not sure if the guy in the red suit is real or not.
Let me know if either of you or anyone on the board has proff of him. [Big Grin]


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Yes

Yes, I'm a nerd? thanks 6 [Razz]
I check it once in a while. I'm just playing. Not much to find there so far. If it was important enough about the stock it would have to be PRed anyway I think. [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
10 and Jenna,
Have either of you did any DD on Cat's story last night? I have and am not sure if the guy in the red suit is real or not.
Let me know if either of you or anyone on the board has proff of him. [Big Grin]

Yes, I didn't need to dd him - I know he is real...because I kissed him last Christmas Eve under a mistletoe....my kids were peeking they saw mommy kissing him....His name is either Nick or Chris I'm not sure.....
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
Is he real?
1) No known species of reindeer can fly. BUT there are 300,000 species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.
2) There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world. BUT since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu, Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15% of the total - 378 million according to Population Reference Bureau. At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that's 91.8 million homes. One presumes there's at least one good child in each.

3) Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west (which seems logical). This works out to 822.6 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with good children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop our of the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh an move on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 91.8 million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of course, we know to be false but for the purpose of our calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles per household, a total trip of 75« million miles, not counting stops to do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding, etc.

This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second, 3,000 time the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15 miles per hour.

4) The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight. On land, the conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds. Even granting the "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could pull TEN TIMES the normal amount, we cannot do the job with eight, or even nine. We need 214,200 reindeer. This increases the payload -not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to 353,430 tons. Again, for comparison - this is four times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth.

5) 353,000 tons travelling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion as spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere. The lead pair of reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy. Per second. Each. In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously, exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26 thousandths of a second. Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity. A 250-pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force. In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve, he's dead now.

Merry Christmas!
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
His name is Fred. He's the fat guy who works at the Dairy Queen down the street.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Bo? Santa is magic and he ain't dead...
and do you have a link? LOL
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Bo? Santa is magic and he ain't dead...
and do you have a link? LOL

LMAO
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Bo? Santa is magic and he ain't dead...
and do you have a link? LOL

Yes Bo, Jenna got a kiss from him and he is not dead! Your story was cute and then BAM, end it with santa dead [Frown]

This has been fun, but I'm shutting up before I get yelled at for going off topic again-lol {Repo} [Razz]
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Bo? Santa is magic and he ain't dead...
and do you have a link? LOL

http://www.engr.mun.ca/~whitt/humor/
Cat has to read the one on the fate of the engineer and programmers vs. engineers.Very funny
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Bo? Santa is magic and he ain't dead...
and do you have a link? LOL

Yes Bo, Jenna got a kiss from him and he is not dead! Your story was cute and then BAM, end it with santa dead [Frown]

This has been fun, but I'm shutting up before I get yelled at for going off topic again-lol {Repo} [Razz]

I don't care if you talk off topic... I just want this entire stinkin' thread moved to the OFF TOPIC section. Merry xmas!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
there are 2 words that you can tell Repo...but I won't post them...and no they are words that my children can use...
So you post what ever you like momma!...
And you can always justify your OT post by saying...
C'mon CSHD...!
LOL


quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Bo? Santa is magic and he ain't dead...
and do you have a link? LOL

Yes Bo, Jenna got a kiss from him and he is not dead! Your story was cute and then BAM, end it with santa dead [Frown]

This has been fun, but I'm shutting up before I get yelled at for going off topic again-lol {Repo} [Razz]


 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Yes

Yes, I'm a nerd? thanks 6 [Razz]
I check it once in a while. I'm just playing. Not much to find there so far. If it was important enough about the stock it would have to be PRed anyway I think. [Wink]
6,I am really a nerd because I keep looking for a PR also.
I have to admit, I'm very tired of not getting information from either of them.
Lord, please don't let anyone say " You have to wait and be patient" I don't think I could take anymore of that [Smile] oh IMO
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Momma- you are not a nerd stop saying that -, that's a very nerdy thing to do.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Okay board , I'm leaving while the chat is still merry!

Merry Christmas to all , including Repo , have a great day.

GO CSHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Sorry,
One more thing, Repo ,YOU know ya love us or you wouldn't be
reading and responding so fast [Wink]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Wow, thats some serious rumors about the fat man in red Bo. As 10 asked, do you have links to support your DD? I think youre just a Santa basher!!! [Smile]
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Wow, thats some serious rumors about the fat man in red Bo. As 10 asked, do you have links to support your DD? I think youre just a Santa basher!!! [Smile]

Here ya go check it out

http://www.engr.mun.ca/~whitt/humor/
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
OUCH .12
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
OUCH .12

C'mon .10... c'mon!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Why Repo - you buyin' at .10?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Wow, thats some serious rumors about the fat man in red Bo. As 10 asked, do you have links to support your DD? I think youre just a Santa basher!!! [Smile]

Here ya go check it out

http://www.engr.mun.ca/~whitt/humor/

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Dang IT.

I should never have peeked back on here.

Let's see? Board is this 1st time in a long time

that it felt good to chat? Has been for me
Maybe we should demand that the ??, show comes back on here. Now that was nice -NOT
Gotta run MOMMA , Repo , be nice imo
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Repo, you have a touch of the grinch today....

Take some Hoo advice and Chill....

Wa Hoo, wa Hoo...etc.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
How do you know how long people have been here?
I got booted once and came back reincarnated as 6 digits. I signed up in April 2004.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams.


 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
How do you know how long people have been here?
I got booted once and came back reincarnated as 6 digits. I signed up in April 2004.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams.


It's in their profile.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
That does'nt mean anything. Why don't you go and enjoy your money and don't worry about it. Are you even from this country? Be thankful America is so irresponsible and allowed you here in the first place.

quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
How do you know how long people have been here?
I got booted once and came back reincarnated as 6 digits. I signed up in April 2004.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams.


It's in their profile.

 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I guess i need to go read the TOS regarding seniority [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Any one heard from ladyindahouse, i'm ready to get to the bottom of this story?
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
I heard she grounded Rufus for being naughty. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Any one heard from ladyindahouse, i'm ready to get to the bottom of this story?


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well shiznit guess I am the the true owner then... {flexes his seniority} Look how old my profile says I am... HAHA!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Apparently he has been pouting a lot too. [Mad]


quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
I heard she grounded Rufus for being naughty. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Any one heard from ladyindahouse, i'm ready to get to the bottom of this story?



 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Any one heard from ladyindahouse, i'm ready to get to the bottom of this story?

6 Here are some Quotes from A Lady In The House on HSM
View Profile: ALady in the House
ALady in the House
HSM Newbie

Link http://www.ho tstock mar ket.com/forums/member.php?u=19652


Good evening everyone, Keep your head up and your eyes open!!!!

This is just me! If he doesn't do this with this Co. it won't happen at all ,these things are big ,he knows how they work.They came to him [the bonds] Some a long time ago.He has help them come this far. God and Him.

You people change sides like most people do their undrewear

Sir, the amount of stock that I own would make yours look like nothing!!!. If you own any so I have a right to be here do you???

Who do you think put this Co together? With Blood sweat and tears more than you could ever know. Let me ask you some qusetions. Who do you think put these bonds together? When people talk to him about these bonds and this Co. Do they know what they are talking about or DOING ? Even John?? What do you think??? Do you think he will ever walk away? A Lady In This House


tomorrow is another day a good day!!!

tomorrow just keep your eyes open. have a good night
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Taxback you da man or woman I don't know which.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
That does'nt mean anything. Why don't you go and enjoy your money and don't worry about it. Are you even from this country? Be thankful America is so irresponsible and allowed you here in the first place.

quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
How do you know how long people have been here?
I got booted once and came back reincarnated as 6 digits. I signed up in April 2004.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams.


It's in their profile.

First off Mr. 6toes, you asked me where to find it.. whether it means anything to you or not, I DON'T CARE.

And America "doesn't" allow me to be here, ok? I'm not some immigrant, I was born here. So put a sock in it.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Thanks Bo.
You would think by now that she would have taught her son that actions speak louder than words.
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Seems kind of dumb to me, fighting over who was here first.
JMHO
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Thanks Bo.
You would think by now that she would have taught her son that actions speak louder than words.

You would think so

I thought I better get these posts before they get deleated from hsm.
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
How do you know how long people have been here?
I got booted once and came back reincarnated as 6 digits. I signed up in April 2004.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams.


It's in their profile.
LOL! So Repo, you base people stock expertise on when they signed up on this website?

Well, here's a tip from a "newbie": when you quit posting your inane, egotistical ramblings and on this thread, it begins to drop down since there is no freaking news coming out about this company!

Here's a thread idea: "RepoLand"! Where we get to hear all about your exciting life. Let's see how long it stays at the top.....

[Razz]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RushDaBus:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
How do you know how long people have been here?
I got booted once and came back reincarnated as 6 digits. I signed up in April 2004.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams.


It's in their profile.
LOL! So Repo, you base people stock expertise on when they signed up on this website?

Well, here's a tip from a "newbie": when you quit posting your inane, egotistical ramblings and on this thread, it begins to drop down since there is no freaking news coming out about this company!

Here's a thread idea: "RepoLand"! Where we get to hear all about your exciting life. Let's see how long it stays at the top.....

[Razz]

Repoland... hmmm....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
some of these quotes sound more like Rufus than his mom...IMO

quote:
Originally posted by Bo Gusman:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Any one heard from ladyindahouse, i'm ready to get to the bottom of this story?

6 Here are some Quotes from A Lady In The House on HSM
View Profile: ALady in the House
ALady in the House
HSM Newbie

Link http://www.ho tstock mar ket.com/forums/member.php?u=19652


Good evening everyone, Keep your head up and your eyes open!!!!

This is just me! If he doesn't do this with this Co. it won't happen at all ,these things are big ,he knows how they work.They came to him [the bonds] Some a long time ago.He has help them come this far. God and Him.

You people change sides like most people do their undrewear

Sir, the amount of stock that I own would make yours look like nothing!!!. If you own any so I have a right to be here do you???

Who do you think put this Co together? With Blood sweat and tears more than you could ever know. Let me ask you some qusetions. Who do you think put these bonds together? When people talk to him about these bonds and this Co. Do they know what they are talking about or DOING ? Even John?? What do you think??? Do you think he will ever walk away? A Lady In This House


tomorrow is another day a good day!!!

tomorrow just keep your eyes open. have a good night


 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
Yeah. I thought RepoLand would definitely work..... [Wink]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Yep it's Rufus alright! [Big Grin]

tomorrow is another day a good day!!!

tomorrow just keep your eyes open. have a good night
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Repo ~ You definitly have a right to be peaved about the "Are you even from this country?" comment. Several of us have it on your word that you are, and even if your weren't it isn't a big deal.

I think you and all are always welcome to the club when free speech is factored in as far as I am concerned... but... the senority card? come on! You know you yourself would have jumped at the chance to attack that comment had it come from anyone else.

It is almost as bad as playing the "Earned Credibility" card. My personal favorite. It is like a bunch of people running around in masks claiming to be pretty. I think BB is the ONLY poster I have ever seen that has taken her mask off and said look at me. I am who I say I am.

Credibiliity, Senority, even the number of posts gives no one anymore power than anyone else. We all know for a fact that Lord Frey is the only
true "owner". Now if you are claiming to have influence there... well, more power to you. (pardon the pun.) He is a fair and just person from what I can tell and from several of the past discussions I have witnessed on this web site. He is also very leiniant at times.

GLTA I am going to go flex my senority over here in front of the mirror. HA! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
The human personality disorder speaks again. We have seen Repo the narcissist, the paranoid, the schizoid, the histrionic, the dependent, and today we welcome Repo the delusional.

Let us see if the delusional diagnosis fits: the person believes that a person of usually higher status is in love with them; grandiose, which is delusions of inflated worth, power, knowledge, identity, or special relationships. [Eek!]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
That does'nt mean anything. Why don't you go and enjoy your money and don't worry about it. Are you even from this country? Be thankful America is so irresponsible and allowed you here in the first place.

quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
How do you know how long people have been here?
I got booted once and came back reincarnated as 6 digits. I signed up in April 2004.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams.


It's in their profile.

First off Mr. 6toes, you asked me where to find it.. whether it means anything to you or not, I DON'T CARE.

And America "doesn't" allow me to be here, ok? I'm not some immigrant, I was born here. So put a sock in it.


 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
OT: Repo ~ You definitly have a right to be peaved about the "Are you even from this country?" comment. Several of us have it on your word that you are, and even if your weren't it isn't a big deal.

I think you and all are always welcome to the club when free speech is factored in as far as I am concerned... but... the senority card? come on! You know you yourself would have jumped at the chance to attack that comment had it come from anyone else.

It is almost as bad as playing the "Earned Credibility" card. My personal favorite. It is like a bunch of people running around in masks claiming to be pretty. I think BB is the ONLY poster I have ever seen that has taken her mask off and said look at me. I am who I say I am.

Credibiliity, Senority, even the number of posts gives no one anymore power than anyone else. We all know for a fact that Lord Frey is the only
true "owner". Now if you are claiming to have influence there... well, more power to you. (pardon the pun.) He is a fair and just person from what I can tell and from several of the past discussions I have witnessed on this web site. He is also very leiniant at times.

GLTA I am going to go flex my senority over here in front of the mirror. HA! [Big Grin]

I was just saying that to indicate loyalty to the site, not expertise. I will be loyal to Allstocks until I retire (then I'll get away from these "online insane asylums").
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It sounds like a fair question to me.

As far as that goes you have a right to be peaved about anything that Tax tells you you can be peaved about. How's that for liberty?
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Repo: I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

Repo: I was just saying that to indicate loyalty to the site, not expertise.

Doesnt sound like it to me.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: 6 ~ you do realise at the bottom of every post of Repo's it has a From: PA indicating that he says he is from PA... now that could be Pensylvainia(sp?) or Pakistan. But in either case it means very little. Your posts on the other hand do not indicate where you are from.

Maybe we should pose the question "back at cha!"... [Cool]

HA!

Now look what you have done. You got me standing up for Repo! of all people. I just threw up on my keyboard. Gross! [Eek!]

Thanks alot making me sick right before lunch.

MAN! I wish there was some CSHD news so we would get off this stupid topic!!! [Mad]

Maybe DDing Santa Clause wasn't a bad past time.

I am typing in vomit, my head hurts, and THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY MONTH!

j/k HAHAHA!!!
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
OT: 6 ~ you do realise at the bottom of every post of Repo's it has a From: PA indicating that he says he is from PA... now that could be Pensylvainia(sp?) or Pakistan. But in either case it means very little. Your posts on the other hand do not indicate where you are from.

Maybe we should pose the question "back at cha!"... [Cool]

HA!

Now look what you have done. You got me standing up for Repo! of all people. I just threw up on my keyboard. Gross! [Eek!]

Thanks alot making me sick right before lunch.

MAN! I wish there was some CSHD news so we would get off this stupid topic!!! [Mad]

Maybe DDing Santa Clause wasn't a bad past time.

I am typing in vomit, my head hurts, and THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY MONTH!

j/k HAHAHA!!!

PA would be Pennsylvania... 6 digits is an Englishman I think. There are a few of those types around... bashing America (see Gordo the lardo in the Offtopics section).
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
Bock on topic...CSHD is at .15....

bid: who knows?
ask: who cares?

Waiting on a settlement and a 10Q....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Tax I just questioned his origin. I was wondering what REPO's qualifications were for the dictator position.


quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
OT: 6 ~ you do realise at the bottom of every post of Repo's it has a From: PA indicating that he says he is from PA... now that could be Pensylvainia(sp?) or Pakistan. But in either case it means very little. Your posts on the other hand do not indicate where you are from.

Maybe we should pose the question "back at cha!"... [Cool]

HA!

Now look what you have done. You got me standing up for Repo! of all people. I just threw up on my keyboard. Gross! [Eek!]

Thanks alot making me sick right before lunch.

MAN! I wish there was some CSHD news so we would get off this stupid topic!!! [Mad]

Maybe DDing Santa Clause wasn't a bad past time.

I am typing in vomit, my head hurts, and THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE MY MONTH!

j/k HAHAHA!!!


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Someone tell lady in the house that tomorrow is here.
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
Anyone in MBIR here?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Yeah...I don't think it's possible to have a post on the off topic section that he(refering to the big G) can't turn into an Anti-Bush/American thread...it's pretty disgusting actually...having an opinion about political affairs is one thing...having what happens in OffTopic is something different all together...

quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
PA would be Pennsylvania... 6 digits is an Englishman I think. There are a few of those types around... bashing America (see Gordo the lardo in the Offtopics section).


 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
I threw out IFLI earlier. Guess that makes me the best stock picker.
JMHO
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
I wonder what happened to Humble....I haven't seen him around lately....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
y does it feel like everyone gave up...is their something i dont know....whats going on with litigation, whats the big problem here gadamnit
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I have not given up!!
 
Posted by Bo Gusman on :
 
We can't give up
You know what they say It ain't over till the fat lady sings.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I can't believe everyone has stopped talking about nothing! HA! I think people are still here Trade and most are nowhere near "giving up".
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
So...I'm curious...at this point...what would the price per share have to be, if we started trading again of course, for people here to completely sell out?

Personally...I'm still looking for something borderline rediculous, like triple digits rediculous...foolish as that may be...it's just not worth me selling for anything less...I've already put this as a total loss in my mind, thats how I've rationalized that for those wondering...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I've given up nothing and I have nothing to say about nothing and therefore mostly post nothing. But I'm not here for nothing.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
So...I'm curious...at this point...what would the price per share have to be, if we started trading again of course, for people here to completely sell out?

Personally...I'm still looking for something borderline rediculous, like triple digits rediculous...foolish as that may be...it's just not worth me selling for anything less...I've already put this as a total loss in my mind so thats how I'm rationalizing that...

If it hit subpenny before the end of the year I'd have to sell just for the value of the tax loss if nothing else. But NOTHING FROM NOTHING GETS NOTHING.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Nothing but the best from Wally.
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
So...I'm curious...at this point...what would the price per share have to be, if we started trading again of course, for people here to completely sell out?

Personally...I'm still looking for something borderline rediculous, like triple digits rediculous...foolish as that may be...it's just not worth me selling for anything less...I've already put this as a total loss in my mind, thats how I've rationalized that for those wondering...

I personally feel this price is artificial and as soon as a MM signs on it will go back to 1.99

Just speculation of course, but isn't that the name of the game?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hi Rush!!!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Well..Crab? i was feelin' "froggie" and before I left today? I put in an order to BUY at .14...came home and it was filled...soooo
Let's see if i get bit in the Butt...
for the record...i have bought and sold this 2x on the greys...this will be my 3rd try...

(To any newbie reading...DO NOT BUY this!)
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I hope to get more on Monday....It seems very "flippable"....is that a word?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Hello Jenna! Vegas in Feb might be the optimal choice- you can setup my Birthday party [Wink]

Hope everyone has a good weekend. Time for the Co. holiday party tonight!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
PM Jenna
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10, your mailbox is full....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Oops...Sorry Jenna...now it's a little less messy! [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Guys - this is going to sound corny but I have to say it......

Could we all just pray a little the weekend for:

- all the people who are thinking about the loved ones this holiday season that they have lost this year.....

-& pray for all the people who are less fortunate....

- & the people who will be alone this holiday season....

- & please pray for our troops that won't even realize it's Christmas because they're busy keeping us safe....

- & please pray for all of the sick children in the hospital fighting for their lives who want nothing more than to just get a bit of "hope" for Christmas....

I give every month to St. Jude's Children's Hospital but this Christmas I wanted to do more so I had each of my 3 girls by 1 gift for a little girls the same age as them so we could send it to St. Jude's. My husband asked me what I wanted for Christmas & I said ALL I WANT is to be able to give to these little children in the hospital.....that's the only thing I want......It makes me more happy to give at Christmas than to receive.......

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna...A few weeks ago..(while at the store)a little girl that has cancer came up to me and said that my hair was very pretty...she told me that she lost all of hers but was hoping it would grow back...(she had on a very pretty scarf...) She was only 7...I told her that maybe someday it would grow back..BUT that she was one of the most beautiful people that I had met...

Yesterday, i went and had 10 inches of my hair cut off and donated it to people with cancer...and they will hopefully be able to give some little girl a little bit of a smile...(and yes..they got a check also...)
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Jenna will do!

On another note lady in the house must use the same calendar as her son. Here it is the end of tomorrow and nothing new is known. They both use that same pressing (slow as molasses in winter) time schedule to accomplish things.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
OT: Did anyone get in on that reverse merger mediquip/Deepdown today, MQPH? They just released the 8K this afternoon. Should be a PR monday.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Jenna and 10,
You are both wonderful! Got to admit that both of your posts made me tear up.
May God bless you and your families.
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Nothing but the best from Wally.

As always
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Jenna...A few weeks ago..(while at the store)a little girl that has cancer came up to me and said that my hair was very pretty...she told me that she lost all of hers but was hoping it would grow back...(she had on a very pretty scarf...) She was only 7...I told her that maybe someday it would grow back..BUT that she was one of the most beautiful people that I had met...

Yesterday, i went and had 10 inches of my hair cut off and donated it to people with cancer...and they will hopefully be able to give some little girl a little bit of a smile...(and yes..they got a check also...)

GOD BLESS YOU 10.......

I believe God puts certain people in our lives for a reason.........
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good night to all and to all a good night.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Jenna...A few weeks ago..(while at the store)a little girl that has cancer came up to me and said that my hair was very pretty...she told me that she lost all of hers but was hoping it would grow back...(she had on a very pretty scarf...) She was only 7...I told her that maybe someday it would grow back..BUT that she was one of the most beautiful people that I had met...

Yesterday, i went and had 10 inches of my hair cut off and donated it to people with cancer...and they will hopefully be able to give some little girl a little bit of a smile...(and yes..they got a check also...)

10 of Gifts...

will take that as your gift to me & us & everyone...great story! I love that...
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Awesome 10 and Jenna. 10, I'm sure some little girl is going to be very happy with that beautiful hair of yours.

Its so hard to see sick kids. They really pull on the heart strings. Definitely better to give than to receive...and these kids appreciate everything they get.

Back to CSHD...come on and go big so we can all give more [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Awesome 10 and Jenna. 10, I'm sure some little girl is going to be very happy with that beautiful hair of yours.

Its so hard to see sick kids. They really pull on the heart strings. Definitely better to give than to receive...and these kids appreciate everything they get.

Back to CSHD...come on and go big so we can all give more [Big Grin] .

ooohhh, yuck...

hate to be a downer, especially after that great inspiration, but dadgum, milliam, by what mechanism, what route do you see that would lead to CSHD's being able to "come on and go big so we can all give more " ???
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex? i think that milliam was just trying to make his post CSHD related...
BUT? I bought more today...so I am hopin' it does a little bit of a "go"...LOL
Don't want to get bit in the butt!

(Again to any newbie reading DO NOT BUY THIS STOCK!)
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex? i think that milliam was just trying to make his post CSHD related...
BUT? I bought more today...so I am hopin' it does a little bit of a "go"...LOL
Don't want to get bit in the butt!

(Again to any newbie reading DO NOT BUY THIS STOCK!)

ahhh...cuz our off-topic police are so stringent?

lol...gotchya...

like your siggie...

maybe a variation would work at the teen party? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Teen party?
Tex? Take the F out of way!
[Smile]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
IMDOWNWIDDAT!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LMAO.."older texans" should never attempt to speak this language...LOL [Razz]

quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
IMDOWNWIDDAT!


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
[Razz]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
sleep well Tex!
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Guys - this is going to sound corny but I have to say it......

Could we all just pray a little the weekend for:

- all the people who are thinking about the loved ones this holiday season that they have lost this year.....

-& pray for all the people who are less fortunate....

- & the people who will be alone this holiday season....

- & please pray for our troops that won't even realize it's Christmas because they're busy keeping us safe....

- & please pray for all of the sick children in the hospital fighting for their lives who want nothing more than to just get a bit of "hope" for Christmas....

I give every month to St. Jude's Children's Hospital but this Christmas I wanted to do more so I had each of my 3 girls by 1 gift for a little girls the same age as them so we could send it to St. Jude's. My husband asked me what I wanted for Christmas & I said ALL I WANT is to be able to give to these little children in the hospital.....that's the only thing I want......It makes me more happy to give at Christmas than to receive.......

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!!

People .... I know I have done one thing correct in life . I RAISED THIS WONDERFUL DAUGHTER. What you see when you know her is what you get. There is not one piece of phoniness. She is all real. I am very proud of her. [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Night Dad...& thanks.... [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
10 ... You also are wonderful.
 
Posted by urbright on :
 
Rush,
I hope you are correct, and I assume that if that is truly your opinion, you are buying the crap out of it at the $0.20 range while you can.

I know that I am [Smile] hope all is well with you and yours.
 
Posted by BlackWidow on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Why did the SEC investigate, tank the PPS, then not file charges against Rufus, et al?

Best question of the week!!!

Thank you very kindly and yet with all today's varied conversations no one even took a stab at an answer.
 
Posted by BlackWidow on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Hello everybody. I have been on another planet for the past three months, and we know all Ma Bell and AOL have not expanded beyond this planet so I have not been able to keep up on this Blagh, blagh, blagh... Ba-Blagh, blagh, blagh...


HEY goooood morning. Hoping the "little birdies" are chirping about something real. But who cares THIS IS MY MONTH!

Dear Tax,

I assume this wee bit of unpleasantness was meant for me. Now this surprises me because I think you're an astute guy and not one to make rash assumptions. I have been doing humanitarian work as far out in the provinces of rural China as you can imagine. I didn't have electricity, much less AOL. Really, there's a whole world out there that doesn't rotate on the internet, much less this stock. I have now returned to sort of modern China, although I dearly miss heat and hot water more than I thought possible. So, dumpling, the next time you wish to get your knickers in a snit, think about the WHOLE WORLD, not just the Americanized version.
 
Posted by BooDog on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
That does'nt mean anything. Why don't you go and enjoy your money and don't worry about it. Are you even from this country? Be thankful America is so irresponsible and allowed you here in the first place.

quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
How do you know how long people have been here?
I got booted once and came back reincarnated as 6 digits. I signed up in April 2004.


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Get a few bucks in your pocket and you think you own allstocks.
Look if this was'nt hot you would'nt be here posting, would you? [Big Grin]


quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nope, then this thread can be moved to the Micropenny stocks section.... in fact, I will demand it be moved.


I "own" Allstocks because I'm a good stock picker AND I have seniority... not many people here from 2004.

And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams.


It's in their profile.

"And WHEN it is moved, I won't be posting much longer... that section is for pink sheet scams."

HEY!!! Watch the cut on us pinky players!!!


GEEEEEES!!!


LMAO
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
all bark no bight...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BlackWidow:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Hello everybody. I have been on another planet for the past three months, and we know all Ma Bell and AOL have not expanded beyond this planet so I have not been able to keep up on this Blagh, blagh, blagh... Ba-Blagh, blagh, blagh...


HEY goooood morning. Hoping the "little birdies" are chirping about something real. But who cares THIS IS MY MONTH!

Dear Tax,

I assume this wee bit of unpleasantness was meant for me. Now this surprises me because I think you're an astute guy and not one to make rash assumptions. I have been doing humanitarian work as far out in the provinces of rural China as you can imagine. I didn't have electricity, much less AOL. Really, there's a whole world out there that doesn't rotate on the internet, much less this stock. I have now returned to sort of modern China, although I dearly miss heat and hot water more than I thought possible. So, dumpling, the next time you wish to get your knickers in a snit, think about the WHOLE WORLD, not just the Americanized version.

Point taken... There is no way imaginable, nor is there any reason why I would ever attempt to understand your world. You must be the bravest penny investor on the planet. Intentionally taking your eyes off of any one of these securities for more than a few weeks is the equivalent of throwing your money away. Long term investments are very few and far between in penny land.

So congrats on saving the planet. I worked for a group of nuns who ran 70 hospitals around the "westernized" world from their tax free venture. But I got paid really well for the programing so it hardly ranks as charity or hard labor. GLTU I can't say I fully agree with your investing style, but you should do what makes you feel comfortable.

I think my "bit" of negativity comes from the large number of posters that come on here claiming to have been in the dark for months, and wish for us to recap it for them. As if they couldn't just read the PR, filings, and past thread posts. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BlackWidow:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Why did the SEC investigate, tank the PPS, then not file charges against Rufus, et al?

Best question of the week!!!

Thank you very kindly and yet with all today's varied conversations no one even took a stab at an answer.
The SEC's apparent urgency seems to involve muzzling RPH's claims. The price tanked in grey-market trading. It's safe to asssume the investigation continues, which may well yield a variety of charges.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey Guys....

St. Matt told me to check out the songwi website....Has anybody done that lately....It's totally different JV's then cvsu's website....a lot more professional......check it out....

www.songwi.com
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BlackWidow:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Why did the SEC investigate, tank the PPS, then not file charges against Rufus, et al?

Best question of the week!!!

Thank you very kindly and yet with all today's varied conversations no one even took a stab at an answer.
Unfortunately, that is something we have all been speculating about for the weeks that you have been away. No one knows the answers yet, and as bad as this may sound, the only way to get caught up is to read back through the thread at the speculation. However, if you see Kevin Bailey, skip forward about four pages until you get back to talk about the stock itself [Big Grin]

Good Luck!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
SherriT where did you get this phrase from. It
sounds familiar.


"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" - anyone else feeling warm?
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey Guys....

St. Matt told me to check out the songwi website....Has anybody done that lately....It's totally different JV's then cvsu's website....a lot more professional......check it out....

www.songwi.com

Now why would a scam shell of a company that's being threatened to get shut down by the SEC because it is "lying" about bond ownership want to create a new website?

I have listened to and appreciate both the negative and positive views on this company, and I can say, as a private investor, that the only substance is on the positive side. The negative thoughts are, in my opinion, arbitrary and without any real evidence. In addition, my personal DD has uncovered nothing untoward except a history of some failed companies. That doesn't make you a fraud; I was VP of a publicly-traded software and gaming corporation that got crushed during Black Tuesday in 1987. I don't think that makes me a crook...OK, bad example... [Wink]

Please find me evidence of a scam and I will listen! I did with QBID and ended up making a profit in that play. The evidence of a fraud was there...dilution. I won't follow blindly, that's not my nature. But I don't trust people who seem to either have an agenda or like to mock others. That's not cool and has no place in a discussion board like this.

I'm holding long and strong because I feel confident in this company and its business plan. If you don't, that's fine too. That's what is so incredible about the free market.

Once again, thanks to all who have shared all their DD with us and I wish you all a happy and safe holiday!!
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
[Cool]

Nice post Rush.

Be safe outhere this season and Happy Holidays to all the medics! in the city.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rush- FWIW, I think that songwi website has been around all along - I don't think it's new just forgotten about....

Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong...as I'm not 100% sure....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
dinner42- meet me in the K-train..... [Wink]


If theirs anyone unaware of that thread check it out it's fun K-train is in the off- topic section....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey guys - I just started a new thread in off- topic called Things that IRK me....try to add one of your pet pieves....
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
Thanks everyone!

Owen says: Merry Christmas!

 -
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rush - he's sooo stinkin' cute..........
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
Since it's the first day of Hanukkah....

Shalom Everbody!

 -
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
thats cool!

now rile him up! does he take off around the room like a bullet train?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
 -
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
frank - is that your pet monkey?
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
or is that a deboggled Rally Monkey?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
frank - is that your pet monkey?

Jenna, thats actually....uhmmm...Frank. Hes touchy about it.

-------------------------


[Big Grin]
 
Posted by dinner42 on :
 
Is that monkey looking up at someone in dispair?

Must be looking at Rufus. Saw his picture in the Coffee Shop on another board.lol
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rush- FWIW, I think that songwi website has been around all along - I don't think it's new just forgotten about....

Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong...as I'm not 100% sure....

Yes the Songwi site has been around for a little while but what I find interesting is the fact that there are 2 different websites. If you use the wattle address it redirects to CVSU.US. Yet songwi is a completely different site and as far as I'm concerned a better looking site than CVSU site.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
 -

i see where she gets her looks from [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
frank - at least you got that monkey off your back....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wally- What do you think the significance of the songwi website is?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally- What do you think the significance of the songwi website is?

I'm not sure. It is interesting that we have 2 different sites for CSHD with basically the same info. Just wish I knew if the songwi site was still being updated and maintained.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Did anyone see HSM posters a lady in the house talkign about to watch for monday or whatever. What a joke
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally- What do you think the significance of the songwi website is?

I'm not sure. It is interesting that we have 2 different sites for CSHD with basically the same info. Just wish I knew if the songwi site was still being updated and maintained.

GLTA
Wally

last ime I looked at cvsu site, it mentioned 2005; the songwi site mentions "the rest of 2006," but the address is still GA....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Did anyone see HSM posters a lady in the house talkign about to watch for monday or whatever. What a joke

Might not be a joke though ST22... who knows...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
i never knew that songwi website existed, much nicer of course, yet it hasnt been moved to the main domain...why is that
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Did anyone see HSM posters a lady in the house talkign about to watch for monday or whatever. What a joke

rufies mom, is jus tl.ike rufus...its where he gets it from..
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
She also said to watch for something on friday, but nothing transpired.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
She also said to watch for something on friday, but nothing transpired.

She's showing true Harris form.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
IGOR KILL!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally- What do you think the significance of the songwi website is?

I'm not sure. It is interesting that we have 2 different sites for CSHD with basically the same info. Just wish I knew if the songwi site was still being updated and maintained.

GLTA
Wally

last ime I looked at cvsu site, it mentioned 2005; the songwi site mentions "the rest of 2006," but the address is still GA....
Interesting isn't it.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Frank,

Do you spank your monkey when it's bad?
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
I knew once this thing got halted that there was no coming back from that (figuratively speaking) but I listened to pumpers on paltalk and HSM and they swore it would work out in a few weeks. Even though my gut told me Rufus was Full of Sh*t, I tried to be hopeful. Ive pretty much written off this POS, but I'm just wondering does anyone on this board really think this will pull through (realistically) and not because you have "faith" or "trust" in the company, but do you think there is any plan to get us out of this.

I just really think that a lot of people put WAY to much money into this stock and have lost so much that they are unwilling to write it off. So instead they use blind faith and just hope they can get something back.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Frank,

Do you spank your monkey when it's bad?

LMAO
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
etouqe123- to tell you the truth- I honestly think that John has a plan & that he's working on things behind the scenes & that he doesn't want to PR something unless what ever he is working on is complete & or finalized.....I have faith that he will resolve this IF it can be resolved....I also think that there has to be some sort of news or event taking place before the new year - & I only say that because sooner or later he will know if he can make this thing fly or not, that is if he doesn't know that already....

...but in my opinion this has to be coming to the final chapter very soon - whether this is a happy ending or tradgic ending is yet to be seen but it has to be coming to a close soon.....

I think if it can be done John will get it done...
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
Fair enough Jenna, what is your timeline? January, March, May? Just curious?

I havent been on this board for a while, but I was just wondering has Rufus lost all credibility at this point? I know hes no longer the CEO but I still think hes calling the shots. I just remember him last saying that we'd have an MM sign within two weeks and they were "hounding" him to sign on.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
My timeline? Are you asking me how long I will give this thing?

If that's your question... my answer is.. 'til the end of this year, possibly the middle of January because I just think John will know by then if he could get the business plan moving or not & if we don't hear anything by then I think I have put a fair amount of time into this & gave it a fair shake so it would be time for me to cut the loses & use what money is left to make money back on other plays & flips....somehow I think we will know one way or the other before then though....but this is just my personal view, my opinion...everyone has to do what's comfortable for them.....

I know this is crazy but I just may attempt to flip this thing this week.....
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
Jenna,

I've been thinking the same thing. I wanted to flip this when it hit .30, but I was worried about losing the 6 to 1 shares. Now I'm starting to think just get what you can out of this stock. I've noticed though that this stock has a predictable 25% swing (back and forth) on an almost weekly basis. Is it easy to sell/buy back on the grays? I was thinking of averaging down to .15 and then selling all at .20, but I'm not sure how easy it is to sell.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Exactly - not sure about how quickly I'd be able to sell either - anybody out there flip this on the grey's?
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
Jenna,

You know what I wanted to ask you, I think it was you who mentioned MQPH, do you think that run is over or do you think its just the beginning. The reason I ask is because I noticed it was above $1 earlier in the year and I'm wondering if it will reach those levels again.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
It wasn't me that mentioned it ...I recall seeing that post though..I'm going to see who posted it....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I just went and looked back it was 6digits that mentioned it....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
etouqe123 - you have a PM....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
im sure eventually things will work out and we will get at least over 2...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
2, thats it?
 
Posted by DMOST on :
 
TRADE04:

Hats off to you on your eternal optimisum. I'm still holding, only , not nearly as much.

The lost dreams have been the real killer for me on this stock. And dispite it all I still made a piece of monies.

It hasn't been good even with the profits. Constantly thinking about what could have been.

Life goes on, and yet some hope still remains.

"YOU PAY YOUR MONEY AND YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICES"

I did. [Cool]
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
Hope all is well. Haven't posted, one because there doesn't seem to be any new news and two because I don't feel poetic about CSHD. Hopeful but doubtful.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
im sure eventually things will work out and we will get at least over 2...

trade04- What makes you say that?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
im sure eventually things will work out and we will get at least over 2...

trade04- What makes you say that?
i cant imagine this being over....thats why


also after reading an aola rticle about the russian spy, who was spying on soviet businesses got me thinking..we should higher a spy, a good one to spy on Conversion for us..
 
Posted by atthebank on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
My timeline? Are you asking me how long I will give this thing?

If that's your question... my answer is.. 'til the end of this year, possibly the middle of January because I just think John will know by then if he could get the business plan moving or not & if we don't hear anything by then I think I have put a fair amount of time into this & gave it a fair shake so it would be time for me to cut the loses & use what money is left to make money back on other plays & flips....somehow I think we will know one way or the other before then though....but this is just my personal view, my opinion...everyone has to do what's comfortable for them.....

I know this is crazy but I just may attempt to flip this thing this week.....

Good luck flipping I've had 2000 shares up for sale for .20 for about two week and I still havn't sold them
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by atthebank:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
My timeline? Are you asking me how long I will give this thing?

If that's your question... my answer is.. 'til the end of this year, possibly the middle of January because I just think John will know by then if he could get the business plan moving or not & if we don't hear anything by then I think I have put a fair amount of time into this & gave it a fair shake so it would be time for me to cut the loses & use what money is left to make money back on other plays & flips....somehow I think we will know one way or the other before then though....but this is just my personal view, my opinion...everyone has to do what's comfortable for them.....

I know this is crazy but I just may attempt to flip this thing this week.....

Good luck flipping I've had 2000 shares up for sale for .20 for about two week and I still havn't sold them
but this stock is going to go "BOOM". why sell at .20 [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by atthebank on :
 
but this stock is going to go "BOOM". why sell at .20

driver, I bought this stock for .15 on the gray market, I was trying to flip, I do see where it is not worth my time, so I'm cancelling my sell order and holding strong and long, for the big day...,, Buy the crap out of it right?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Some interesting stuff happening this weekend on HSM. Seems to be a line forming between JesusPower1 and LP640. LP640 seems to be winning a majority of the posters, and I have to say if news shows up by Wed. JesusPower1 may get booted for his "holy" birthday.

I guess JP pointed out thatOne guy from Paltalk, LP640, TheGreaterGood all had the same IP address. Why this is big news I don't know, but it is.

I share the same address as a user on Paltalk named taxback04, and from what it appears TheGreaterGood quit posting, and had his account deleated because security reasons.

In anycase LP640 has changed his tune and says that all the activity and forward movement we were supposed to have seen at the end of last week. Is just another victim of general corporate delays.

Oh well let's hope for a good week. Would defintely provide me with a Merry Christmas to hear a bit of positive news from this security.
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
A delay in CSHD business? WOW! I'm shocked there usually prompt in their business. lol
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Just had a great dinner with the family at the Port Royal Club. Santa was there and everything!!


Looks to me like we should be expecting some kind of news this week.

You don't think he would just let us go into the holidays blind do ya. LOL

God bless and good luck to all this week!!

Merry Christmas too.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
About time you start spending some of that money you've been raking in Surf! [Big Grin]

And yes a PR would be sweet ~~~

Hope everyone finds time for loved ones ~
Happy Holiday peeps [Big Grin]

Chart ~
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
About time you start spending some of that money you've been raking in Surf! [Big Grin]

And yes a PR would be sweet ~~~

Hope everyone finds time for loved ones ~
Happy Holiday peeps [Big Grin]

Chart ~

Nah. we spent dads...LOL Can't pay there anyway...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
I'm thinking the SHC has its hands full...

the merger is, at best, stalled. Therefore, MA at least *seems* to be in control, re filings as "Furia." (Remember, he had that clause about controlling shares...) Given that he indicated no difference between fiscal-year filings, the AJW debt is * still* a debt...

If the SHC is getting good info? This could well an issue...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tex, have you been to the Things that IRK me thread lately...some people showed up & ruined it by making it political....it's to bad it was fun when it started....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tex, have you been to the Things that IRK me thread lately...some people showed up & ruined it by making it political....it's to bad it was fun when it started....

predictable... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Just like CSHD...started out fun, but than turned ugly. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
Just like CSHD...started out fun, but than turned ugly. [Big Grin]

'Tis the season....for miracles.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
I still believe in miracles!! [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Miracles ROCK!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Night All........

Chamapgne Wishes & Caviar Dreams.........
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
Just like CSHD...started out fun, but than turned ugly. [Big Grin]

lol, entirely different dynamic...
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
test
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rush- FWIW, I think that songwi website has been around all along - I don't think it's new just forgotten about....

Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong...as I'm not 100% sure....

Yes the Songwi site has been around for a little while but what I find interesting is the fact that there are 2 different websites. If you use the wattle address it redirects to CVSU.US. Yet songwi is a completely different site and as far as I'm concerned a better looking site than CVSU site.

GLTA
Wally


 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TeddyG:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rush- FWIW, I think that songwi website has been around all along - I don't think it's new just forgotten about....

Anyone, please correct me if I'm wrong...as I'm not 100% sure....

Yes the Songwi site has been around for a little while but what I find interesting is the fact that there are 2 different websites. If you use the wattle address it redirects to CVSU.US. Yet songwi is a completely different site and as far as I'm concerned a better looking site than CVSU site.

GLTA
Wally


lol...

yes, you can post...
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
Sorry people, I'm new here& just trying to figure out how things work. What's up wallymac, U out there?
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
Hey Tex, just learnin' brother. Sorry for the newbie mistakes in advance.
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
Question: How does one quote somebody else's post and then be able to write your comment to it? That's what I was trying to do, above.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TeddyG:
Question: How does one quote somebody else's post and then be able to write your comment to it? That's what I was trying to do, above.

quote marks, to the right of the "pencil n paper"
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
I guess everybody's asleep. Allow me to introduce myself. I am new to posting on allstocks, but not new to following this thread(been following since the good ole days when BB & Dog among many others used to post regularly, so am very familiar with all of you all's postings). Been in CSHD since late July. I am pretty much a newbie to stock market, so figured I'd watch and learn first, and am just now taking the steps to actually be heard at times.
I believe I have some pretty fair guidance already thru my cousin's help(Wallymac), but don't want to pump his head up too big.Hahaj/k
There's been times, where I've read things on this thread that I had wanted to respond to but hadn't gone thru the steps to do so; but now I have, and there it is. So I look forward to possible future dialogue. Thanks all for listening.
And with that G'nite.
G
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by TeddyG:
Question: How does one quote somebody else's post and then be able to write your comment to it? That's what I was trying to do, above.

quote marks, to the right of the "pencil n paper"
allright, lets see if I'm doing this right.Thanks Tex [Smile]
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
Right on, it worked. Again, appreciate the help Tex.
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
Adios
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Hey TeddyG [Smile]

Couple of us "nuts" are still up! ha ~
Welcome!

Chart ~
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Hey TeddyG [Smile]

Couple of us "nuts" are still up! ha ~
Welcome!

Chart ~

i'm up awaiting avti explosion on monday [Smile]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
ha ha!! I just posted that on the thread!! lol ~

Can't sleep!! [Big Grin]

Nice little stock picking system hey stockt [Big Grin]

Only one more made the list, WEGI, started a thread for that one too along with BIGN -BIGN is juices pic, indicators are great I'll back him!

AVTI and WEGI should pop first.

I'm going to predict a pop right here on CSHD this week to!!!....NOT a chart play!!

"Muh hu ha ha" [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Time will tell ~
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Wegi looks good...i'm staying away from penny's for a little...been killing me lately...nasdaq has been my friend

love NOEL

$53 million market cap
$45 million in cash with basically zero debt.

Don't want this pregapping huge, so ill start a post later tomrrow when i make an entry
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
"NOEL" -you singing christmas carols? [Big Grin]

-can't get a chart on it.... "?"
GL with it ~
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
hahah my bad...NEOL...its late
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
GGOOOOOOODDDDDD MMOOORRRNNNIIINNNNNGGGGGG!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
good morning Frank and friends. Lets get the party started!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
opens door...peaks in..."Dang it!"....slams door!
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Hello all...

Will we get an early Christmas present or a piece of coal?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
10of13 ~ You forgot to toss in the "kool-aid filled water balloon". HAHA!!
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
oh well... [Frown]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
.12 Ahhhh!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
hmm I thought something was supposed to happen over the weekend....??
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
.12 Ahhhh!

Just wait until .012 and then .0012, it's coming. It really amazes me that people are still holding shares here in some desparate hope things will turn around.

When the SEC suspends an OTCBB or PK stock 99% of the time it's game over. But who knows maybe JA will be able to pump this back up to $1 in 2007, doubtful but depends on how much he stands to lose or make.

The only reason imo that he took over as CEO is because he got caught with his pants down - meaning stuck with a ton of shares when it got suspended. Otherwise why would he care?

I sold out at .20, I have now made all the money back on several other plays... it feels pretty good.
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
hmm I thought something was supposed to happen over the weekend....??

Still drinking the Kool Aid? Jesus Christmas what is it going to take for you all to figure this out!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Uncle Smelly:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
hmm I thought something was supposed to happen over the weekend....??

Still drinking the Kool Aid? Jesus Christmas what is it going to take for you all to figure this out!
More than you I guess.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Ya, I'm starting to wonder (well not starting?).
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
What are you "starting" to wonder?
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
don't know if anyone else's broker is showing what mine is...but E*Trade no longer picks up CSHD...my position IS still shown...no trades showing though...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I have it too CRab. And honestly, I have been expecting it for about a week now. We will just have to wait and see what is happening.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Crab? My etrade shows it....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I'm confused....my etrade shows everything just fine....
[Confused]

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I have it too CRab. And honestly, I have been expecting it for about a week now. We will just have to wait and see what is happening.


 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?mrktrfrm&1

This is a must... Can you even imagine what we "could have made" on the run ups?!!

Or... COULD be making right now on EVERY stock out there! IMO ~
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
10Of13 ~ You maybe right I am going to try and reboot and see if it fixes anything.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I had problems with mine...first thing this morning...restarted it and all is good...
But I think that it was etrade...not CSHD...
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Yeah...sorry about that...don't know why I didn't reset first thing...it's fine...just needed a restart...

I had it on before open...I guess that's what did it...
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Scottrade is OK.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Wow this one is boring to watch... glad we got some others to focus our down time on. [Smile]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I took my mind off of my reverse merger stock (MQPH) DPDW long enough to call MPR resource to hear what they could tell me, but they could'nt tell me anything. Just that things are happening. I could'nt get one blink for yes two blinks for no.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Eh UH AH OOH OHH HEE HAA WU WEE WE
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
[Confused] ya Ok there 6? LOL

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Eh UH AH OOH OHH HEE HAA WU WEE WE


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Right on 10! [Wink]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Just looking back over the DTC vs NOBO numbers...

TD Ameritrade would have needed almost $37 Million to cover their short 19M shatre position at the pre-suspension $1.98, and almost $259M with the 6:1... but now at 0.14 they only need $2.6M to cover or $18.6M with the 6:1.

I guess this suspension thing really worked out for them huh?

I thought they were only at $15M over the DTC numbers until I researched "NATIONAL INVESTOR SERVICES CORPORATION" and realized they had another 4M short.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
to da moon lol
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
That's what I thought... [Cool] .


quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Right on 10! [Wink]


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Interesting that at the same time I post something like this here:

quote:

now at 0.14 they only need $2.6M to cover or $18.6M with the 6:1.

I guess this suspension thing really worked out for them huh?

Someone else is putting a similar piece of the puzzle together over on HSM.

quote:

Today, 03:19 PM #17429
mastaflash
HSM Newbie

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location:
Posts: 188 Originally Posted by dc12at0n
the pps was roaming around 2.00 when the SEC suspended it. reopened in the grey sheets closing at .55. i would've preferred if they halted this until after the investigation.

Even RPH and MA tried to get SEC to continue suspension until all was resolved, but they (SEC) wouldn't play ball....wonder why, given they knew what would happen to PPS! It had nothing to do with protecting shareholders, that is certain! One of many things about this stock that makes you go hmmmm....

Merry X-mas... GLTA
 
Posted by stockcop on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?mrktrfrm&1

This is a must... Can you even imagine what we "could have made" on the run ups?!!

Or... COULD be making right now on EVERY stock out there! IMO ~

I bought in May. 20,000 shares * .10
Sold around or just under the 4 dollar mark.

Figure that out ! I am still wetting my pants to this day .
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
At least you can afford a lot of depends and diapers, wings, etc,.


quote:
Originally posted by stockcop:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?mrktrfrm&1

This is a must... Can you even imagine what we "could have made" on the run ups?!!

Or... COULD be making right now on EVERY stock out there! IMO ~

I bought in May. 20,000 shares * .10
Sold around or just under the 4 dollar mark.

Figure that out ! I am still wetting my pants to this day .


 
Posted by F4i4Brian on :
 
Forgive me if this has been covered, I haven't been keeping up lately.

What's up with our 6 additional shares? Any news on them? That was documented and filed with the SEC, doesn't the company have to own up to that? Can we sue for them? (not that they'd be worth anything if we did)
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
StockCop ~ I am sure the SEC will be knocking on your door now. They have spent the last month trying to figure out "Where the money went." Imagine their surprize when they find it in the accounts of actual investors. HAHA!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
F~ http://cobrand.knobias.com/otcbb/story.htm?eid=3.1.8a4a45136517c1a80a5694998c6f0 3f7023a5c38cf32411655177ff1f207fd5e

This is the latest.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Here this is fun:

Make yourself a simple CSHD NOC Page.

1.) Open up Note pad, Word pad or any other text editor.

2.) In the blank window copy and paste in the simple HTML code below.

3.) Save the file on your computers desk top as "CSHD.htm" this will change the file type from ".txt" to ".htm".

4.) Go to your desktop and double click CSHD.htm.

5.) Open the file anytime you want in the text editor and change the URLs to whatever URLs you want.

It makes checking information on your favorite stocks quick and easy. [Cool]

code:
 

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Frameset//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>CSHD INFO</title>
</head>
<frameset rows="50%,*">
<frameset cols="50%,*">
<frame name="rt"
src="http://www.sec.gov/cgi-bin/browse-edgar?action=getcompany&CIK=0000757563&owner=include&count=40">
<frame name="lt" src="http://www.otcbb.com/asp/tradeact_mml.asp?searchfor=CSHD&searchby=i">
</frameset>
<frameset cols="50%,*">
<frame name="rb" src="http://www.cvsu.us">
<frame name="lb" src="http://cobrand.knobias.com/otcbb/Headline_Frame.htm?ticker=CSHD">
</frameset>
<noframes>
<p>This page requires frames, but your browser does not support them.</p>
</noframes>
</frameset>
</html>

I will look back over this code once posted and make edits to the instructions if it posts incorrectly. Enjoy.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
uhhh what..
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Sorry to confuse a surfer... it is a page where you can bring up a ton of CSHD info all at once. [Big Grin] Just trying to break the boredom a bit.
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Pretty cool.

One typo that i found:

3.) Save the file as "CSHD.htm" changing the file type from ".txt" to .htm" on your computers desk top

should say save as CSHD.txt, then change it to htm on your desktop.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Pcola ~ noted... Note pad does allow it to be saved as ".htm" and give you a little warning as you do it. But yes you can also change the file type to ".htm" after you save it to the desktop as ".txt".

Thanks.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
So far i'm glad I signed up for that R/Merger I mentioned the other day. It's good therapy. Did any one else go for it?
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
I had my fingers crossed for some news today. Something was mentioned last week about the 18th being a big day. oh well. I'll keep checking back everyday...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Greenday ~ Knowing exactly how you feel here. Something is or was definitely brewing. I will be able to wait.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
This guy is still talking with confidence even after missing his prediction.

From HSM:

Today, 08:41 PM #17631
LP640
HSM Newbie




Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 199 Quote:
Originally Posted by samaelrocks
LOL! OK. Whatever you say.

But the difference between you and me is that nothing you have claimed has happened. By being realistic, I've been correct.

BTW - You're suggesting again that you have "insider" information. Must not be good info if you can't get a single prediction correct, eh? If you're telling the truth about having contacts, god help whoever is feeding you info. If you were in the mafia running your mouth the way you do here, you'd be knocked off by now.

i think YOU should sell. i don't think you deserve what's coming. honestly you need to grow up. there's no point in being negative at this point. either hold or sell. what's so hard about that? my predictions are correct. there are some things that are uncontrollable.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
He is very interesting TaxBack- the PM's are even more interesting.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
I wish his predications, if true at all, would come to fruition quicker lol.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
He is very interesting TaxBack- the PM's are even more interesting.

Whats in the pms, if you don't mind sharing?
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
PM: Buy the crap outta it!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
PM: Buy the crap outta it!

LOL

Good one. [Smile]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
This guy is still talking with confidence even after missing his prediction.

From HSM:

Today, 08:41 PM #17631
LP640
HSM Newbie




Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 199 Quote:
Originally Posted by samaelrocks
LOL! OK. Whatever you say.

But the difference between you and me is that nothing you have claimed has happened. By being realistic, I've been correct.

BTW - You're suggesting again that you have "insider" information. Must not be good info if you can't get a single prediction correct, eh? If you're telling the truth about having contacts, god help whoever is feeding you info. If you were in the mafia running your mouth the way you do here, you'd be knocked off by now.

i think YOU should sell. i don't think you deserve what's coming. honestly you need to grow up. there's no point in being negative at this point. either hold or sell. what's so hard about that? my predictions are correct. there are some things that are uncontrollable.

I can't tell who's claiming to be right...what was the missed prediction?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Boss ya wanna we should woik'im ova a litl.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
frank did you get a copy or an original PM from LP640, if so could you PM to me what he is saying


quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
He is very interesting TaxBack- the PM's are even more interesting.


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
PM: Buy the crap outta it!

That was it, buy the crap out of it?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Tex ~ last week he was saying that the 18th was going to be a big day. Many thought Friday afterhours going into the weekend would be something that would make Monday huge. When nothing happened Friday afterhours... we listened over the weekend... When nothing happened over the weekend... we listened for something today... blagh blahg blagh get the pattern.

I said missed prediction, but there is still hours left, and he did alter the time of fruition a few times.

I just think his posts are "interesting". He is getting info from somewhere, and timelines are prooving to be very tricky in this play.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Tex ~ last week he was saying that the 18th was going to be a big day. Many thought Friday afterhours going into the weekend would be something that would make Monday huge. When nothing happened Friday afterhours... we listened over the weekend... When nothing happened over the weekend... we listened for something today... blagh blahg blagh get the pattern.

I said missed prediction, but there is still hours left, and he did alter the time of fruition a few times.

I just think his posts are "interesting". He is getting info from somewhere, and timelines are prooving to be very tricky in this play.

Tax can you kick me down what he said in the PM? Thanks
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Tex ~ last week he was saying that the 18th was going to be a big day. Many thought Friday afterhours going into the weekend would be something that would make Monday huge. When nothing happened Friday afterhours... we listened over the weekend... When nothing happened over the weekend... we listened for something today... blagh blahg blagh get the pattern.

I said missed prediction, but there is still hours left, and he did alter the time of fruition a few times.

I just think his posts are "interesting". He is getting info from somewhere, and timelines are prooving to be very tricky in this play.

so which poster is "he"?

Not following you on "tricky" & "timelines" ...

You mean, he's been accurate on some important events?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Greenday ~ Knowing exactly how you feel here. Something is or was definitely brewing. I will be able to wait.

We really don't have much choice but to wait at this stage of the game. Beside the difficulty of selling on the Grey Sheets there are so many other scenario's here that could play out, one would kick themselves if it happened after they held for so long and then sold.

I don't have a big stake here so will patiently await any news that is forth comming. People always make predicitions concerning news on just about every stock. I always take them with a HUGE grain of salt and don't put much importance in them. Easy way to set people up for failure. Dashed hopes usually equal higher ratios of selling.

You have to wonder who benefits more from these types of posts. Very little to gain if they are correct and a lot to lose if they are wrong. I usually look at them as forms of sublte bashing since most people then begin to believe that it's the company who didn't keep their promise and forget that it was an individual that started the rumor.

Oh well. Here I sit waiting to hear what ever crumbs they throw our way.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Tex ~ last week he was saying that the 18th was going to be a big day. Many thought Friday afterhours going into the weekend would be something that would make Monday huge. When nothing happened Friday afterhours... we listened over the weekend... When nothing happened over the weekend... we listened for something today... blagh blahg blagh get the pattern.

I said missed prediction, but there is still hours left, and he did alter the time of fruition a few times.

I just think his posts are "interesting". He is getting info from somewhere, and timelines are prooving to be very tricky in this play.

so which poster is "he"?

Not following you on "tricky" & "timelines" ...

You mean, he's been accurate on some important events?

They are talking about LP640. A new postered on HSM that has been pumping the stock and predicting major news will be out. First it was Friday, Then today. Similar to what Rufus's Mom(A Lady in The House) has posted. Last I had heard LP640 had back tracked a bit to state by Wens. Same ole Same ol. I have inside info type BS.

I think I posted, when we first were suspended that the process was long and that many who believed resolution would happen in weeks were being too optomistic. From my research into other companies that have been suspended and delisted, I found that it takes anywhere from 6 months to a year to resume normal trading. If anyone can point out a company that has gone through this and resumed normal trading(not Grey sheets) please post about it.

I believe we will start to see some sort of movement in January, whether it's what we are looking for or not, I have no idea. I doubt there will be trading on anything other than the Greys until mid Jan or beyond. Of course this is ONLY MY OPINION.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Tax can you kick me down what he said in the PM? Thanks

I don't have any PM's from him.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Tex ~ last week he was saying that the 18th was going to be a big day. Many thought Friday afterhours going into the weekend would be something that would make Monday huge. When nothing happened Friday afterhours... we listened over the weekend... When nothing happened over the weekend... we listened for something today... blagh blahg blagh get the pattern.

I said missed prediction, but there is still hours left, and he did alter the time of fruition a few times.

I just think his posts are "interesting". He is getting info from somewhere, and timelines are prooving to be very tricky in this play.

so which poster is "he"?

Not following you on "tricky" & "timelines" ...

You mean, he's been accurate on some important events?

They are talking about LP640. A new postered on HSM that has been pumping the stock and predicting major news will be out. First it was Friday, Then today. Similar to what Rufus's Mom(A Lady in The House) has posted. Last I had heard LP640 had back tracked a bit to state by Wens. Same ole Same ol. I have inside info type BS.

I think I posted, when we first were suspended that the process was long and that many who believed resolution would happen in weeks were being too optomistic. From my research into other companies that have been suspended and delisted, I found that it takes anywhere from 6 months to a year to resume normal trading. If anyone can point out a company that has gone through this and resumed normal trading(not Grey sheets) please post about it.

I believe we will start to see some sort of movement in January, whether it's what we are looking for or not, I have no idea. I doubt there will be trading on anything other than the Greys until mid Jan or beyond. Of course this is ONLY MY OPINION.

GLTA
Wally

understood about the long process, Wally... non-grey trading would be preceded by, I believe, a series of filings. I suspect the bare-bones' facts of said filings (IF they come) will be severe, despite any legally allowable optimism...

Certainly, *whoever* owns the shell would be foolish to let that value slip away; obviously, a "clean" shell is more valuable...

However, that's not what I'm asking--am asking whether this "predictor" has *hit* on any event(s) of significance... ???
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex asks:
"However, that's not what I'm asking--am asking whether this "predictor" has *hit* on any event(s) of significance... ???"

Tex this poster is fairly new...I think in December...so the answer is No he has not "hit any predictions" that I can recall...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex asks:
"However, that's not what I'm asking--am asking whether this "predictor" has *hit* on any event(s) of significance... ???"

Tex this poster is fairly new...I think in December...so the answer is No he has not "hit any predictions" that I can recall...

OK, thanks...as I re-read, that's what Wally is saying, too, eh?

'ppreciate it, y'all...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I don't think so Tex- its been 100% speculation just like everyone else. So the significance comes into play if any of the projected news comes out as predicted.

Either way- we are still sitting in the same boat for news/Filings etc...

The chatter however is more exciting than the alternative Zzzzzz [Wink]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex asks:
"However, that's not what I'm asking--am asking whether this "predictor" has *hit* on any event(s) of significance... ???"

Tex this poster is fairly new...I think in December...so the answer is No he has not "hit any predictions" that I can recall...

To my knowledge, which I admit is very limited when it comes to HSM posting, You are right 10 of everything. He has yet to hit a single nail on the head.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
"The chatter however is more exciting than the alternative Zzzzzz"

lol, understood...I'm just not built that way...I'm fine with *reasoned speculation,* but mostly I'm interested in fact...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Sorry had to post- left my last one on post 666 [Wink]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Sorry had to post- left my last one on post 666 [Wink]

lolololio... [Eek!]

not a good "grub," eh?
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
HEWWWWWOOO!!!!!! TEXXY TEXXXXXX

CSHD THREAD=POOP

NO FACTS EVERYONE LOSES MONEY RUFUS AND CO SCAMMED ALL..

OOPSIES

what are WE ALL STILL TALKING about?

INVEST IN NEOL

Be Happy in 07 [Smile]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
Texxy Texxxx?

gosh, the pet names just keep rollin' in... [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Least he didn't call you sugar-lumps in front of all of us [Razz]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Least he didn't call you sugar-lumps in front of all of us [Razz]

FRANKY...

Don't GET ME Started!!! I may have to PICK more WINNERS to get ME AND ALL OF ALLSTOCKS out of this MESS with CSHDDDDD [Smile]

I'm a BOUNTY HUNTER...WTF IS THIS SHOW IDENTITY?

OH boy!!!!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Least he didn't call you sugar-lumps in front of all of us [Razz]

GAWD...

you're right...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
HEWWWWWOOO!!!!!! TEXXY TEXXXXXX

CSHD THREAD=POOP

NO FACTS EVERYONE LOSES MONEY RUFUS AND CO SCAMMED ALL..

OOPSIES

what are WE ALL STILL TALKING about?

INVEST IN NEOL

Be Happy in 07 [Smile]

Why come here and spam with NEOL. Not enough people looking at it through normal channels, IE your posts on the NEOL board.

I love when people come in here to simply bash the stock. If it's poop and dead then move on and allow those who still have a stake here, whether it be financial or educational continue.

A little common courtesy never hurt anyone.

Happy Holidays to you.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Just kidding around Stocktrader22. I look forward to your picking winners- whats why I post and browse stock boards.

Learning never stops [Wink]
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
For what it's worth, I finally received a response from client services at Euroclear regarding the press release issued by CSHD claiming the bond under ISIN DE0006106875. In October, I had forwarded the press release and asked them if they would verify the claims made by CSHD. Here's their response (you'll notice that they claim to have responded to me on 11/1 and 11/8 but I never received anything from them):

From:Client_Service*euroclear.com
[Add to Address Book]

To:xxxxxxxxx*comcast.net
Subject:CASE 1280927931 ISIN DE0006106875
Date:Friday, December 08, 2006 6:04:45 AM

Dear Mr xxxxxxxxx,

Re: your e-mail conc. ISIN DE0006106875
you asked about a press release

As replied to you on 01/11/06 and on 08/11/06
quote/
After further investigations with our Securities Information Team and our
Corporate Action Team, we can only confirm that the above ISIN is eligible in
Euroclear and pays annually an interest at a rate of 11 pct.
We have not been advised by our depositary on some press release.

We suggest you to arrange this matter with your agent/ issuer directly.

unquote/

Best regards
Giuseppina Duminuco
Euroclear Bank SA/NV
Commercial division - Client Services
Tel : +32 (0)2 224 2810
Fax : +32 (0)2 224 1287

Email :client_service*euroclear.com
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
guys?

you could post "OT" at the beginning of your post--that at least "warns" thread-specific folk to skip the post... [Wink]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
HEWWWWWOOO!!!!!! TEXXY TEXXXXXX

CSHD THREAD=POOP

NO FACTS EVERYONE LOSES MONEY RUFUS AND CO SCAMMED ALL..

OOPSIES

what are WE ALL STILL TALKING about?

INVEST IN NEOL

Be Happy in 07 [Smile]

Why come here and spam with NEOL. Not enough people looking at it through normal channels, IE your posts on the NEOL board.

I love when people come in here to simply bash the stock. If it's poop and dead then move on and allow those who still have a stake here, whether it be financial or educational continue.

A little common courtesy never hurt anyone.

Happy Holidays to you.

GLTA
Wally

Wow...I'm just having a little fun with everyone. No one on this board plays nasdaq, NEOL will be a winner, but you think I really need to post it on here to recruit people? Come on now! I was just playing around with everyone having a little fun. We all lost a lot of money on this one if we didn't sell, we all know the chances of re-cooperating that money is very slim. Please don't always be so serious. Couldn't you tell by how I posted it was a joke.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
"No one on this board plays nasdaq"

lol, says who?

I started that forum... [Wink]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
"No one on this board plays nasdaq"

lol, says who?

I started that forum... [Wink]

I am sure a few do play them, just a very small majority. Lately Nasdaq and OTCBB's are all I will play
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
"No one on this board plays nasdaq"

lol, says who?

I started that forum... [Wink]

I am sure a few do play them, just a very small majority. Lately Nasdaq and OTCBB's are all I will play
nuttin' wrong with that...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
taxback- messaged you back
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Not sure if this is new or not but found this on the Point Click and Dream Site.

Investor Relations
Our Principles - National and Global Client centered, working in partnership, accountable for quality results, dedicated to financial integrity and cost-effectiveness, inspired and innovative.

Our Values - Personal honesty, integrity, commitment; working together in teams with openness and trust; empowering others and respecting differences; encouraging risk-taking and responsibility; enjoying our work and our families.

------------------------------------------------------

Legal notice:

Some of the information on this website may contain projections and forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainty. Actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements.

For a discussion of these risks and uncertainties, review Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation online SEC filings, including the most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q visit their website at cvsu.us.

To contact Investor Relations at:

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
Tel: 770-420-8270


http://pointclickdream.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=3 3

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
For what it's worth, I finally received a response from client services at Euroclear regarding the press release issued by CSHD claiming the bond under ISIN DE0006106875. In October, I had forwarded the press release and asked them if they would verify the claims made by CSHD. Here's their response (you'll notice that they claim to have responded to me on 11/1 and 11/8 but I never received anything from them):

From:Client_Service*euroclear.com
[Add to Address Book]

To:xxxxxxxxx*comcast.net
Subject:CASE 1280927931 ISIN DE0006106875
Date:Friday, December 08, 2006 6:04:45 AM

Dear Mr xxxxxxxxx,

Re: your e-mail conc. ISIN DE0006106875
you asked about a press release

As replied to you on 01/11/06 and on 08/11/06
quote/
After further investigations with our Securities Information Team and our
Corporate Action Team, we can only confirm that the above ISIN is eligible in
Euroclear and pays annually an interest at a rate of 11 pct.
We have not been advised by our depositary on some press release.

We suggest you to arrange this matter with your agent/ issuer directly.

unquote/

Best regards
Giuseppina Duminuco
Euroclear Bank SA/NV
Commercial division - Client Services
Tel : +32 (0)2 224 2810
Fax : +32 (0)2 224 1287

Email :client_service*euroclear.com

Thanks MT..

Good work too.

So in essence they are claiming the ISIN to be real.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Not sure if this is new or not but found this on the Point Click and Dream Site.

Investor Relations
Our Principles - National and Global Client centered, working in partnership, accountable for quality results, dedicated to financial integrity and cost-effectiveness, inspired and innovative.

Our Values - Personal honesty, integrity, commitment; working together in teams with openness and trust; empowering others and respecting differences; encouraging risk-taking and responsibility; enjoying our work and our families.

------------------------------------------------------

Legal notice:

Some of the information on this website may contain projections and forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainty. Actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements.

For a discussion of these risks and uncertainties, review Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation online SEC filings, including the most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q visit their website at cvsu.us.

To contact Investor Relations at:

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
Tel: 770-420-8270


http://pointclickdream.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=3 3

GLTA
Wally

Wally this point click and dream was one of the ones Rufus was most excited about in Subpenny interviews.

Nice
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
a surfer,
Yes, Euroclear is confirming the existence of the ISIN number but not the ownership - which is not groundbreaking.

I am confused about what the person at Euroclear is trying to tell me in these two statements:

"We have not been advised by our depositary on some press release.

We suggest you to arrange this matter with your agent/ issuer directly."
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Well the press release issue to me is irrelevant.

How would they know who has PR'ed something about euroclear.

The fact that they did not come back and say the claims were false is somewhat prommising..
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
From ww2 player on HSM


OTC:EVRE

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2001/01/.../Section10.asp

http://www.secinfo.com/d11D74.5J1.htm

Marvin J Herb bought the crap outta enviro-recovery over the last few years.


http://www.secinfo.com/d11D74.515.7.htm

This agreement is made this 20th day of November, 1999, by and between
Enviro-Recovery, Inc. ("Enviro"), having corporate offices at 2200 East Lake
Shore Drive, Ashland, WI 54806, USA, and the companies, FundAmazon, with its
corporate offices at Conj.Eoclides Figoeido, Rua "J" no 15- Belem, Para, Brazil,
tax registration # 83.340.992/001-23 and Eco-Wood, Ltd. ("Eco- Wood") with its
corporate offices at Rua Tancredo Neves 500-Breves Para, Brazil, tax
registration # 02.432.567/001-62.

FundAmazon and Eco-Wood represent the following:

1. FundAmazon, a non-profit Brazilian company, has the sole license
granted by the State of Para and IBAMA ("Para licenses") in existence for
recovering wood in the State of Para from the Amazon River and all bodies of
fresh water connected to or part of the Amazon River ("Amazon River System"). No
companies or organizations other than FundAmazon have been granted a license or
awarded a contract to extract wood from the Amazon River System by any Brazilian
government agency except for Lake Tucurui.

2. FundAmazon has granted rights to recover wood from the Amazon River
System in the state of Para to Eco-Wood, Ltd., a commercial Brazilian company by
contract ("sublicense") and has not granted recovery rights to any other party.
Therefore, Eco-Wood is the only company that can legal recover wood from the
Amazon River in the state of Para.

3. FundAmazon and Eco-Wood have the authority to grant sublicenses to
recover wood from the Amazon River in the State of Para and the licenses are
assignable to third parties.

4. The licenses held by FundAmazon effectively preclude any company
from obtaining a license to extract wood from the Amazon River System and
further that these licenses give FundAmazon the first rights to salvage wood
from the Amazon River.

5. Eco-Wood is currently recovering wood from the activated areas of
the Para licenses. The area of the Amazon River System covered by the activated
area of the licenses include all rivers in the State of Para.

6. The mill operated by Eco-Wood can receive an international
certification equivalent to FSC or Smartwood certification after correcting
minor discrepancies.

7. Based on the density of logs in the Amazon River estimated from
salvage operations, Eco-Wood and FundAmazon project that the areas in the Amazon
River covered by the activated part of their licenses contain from 10 to 60
million cubic meters of logs.

WHEREAS, Enviro has developed a business in processing and selling salvaged
underwater wood.

AND WHEREAS, Enviro has developed techniques to locate submersed logs and tree
with the help of sidescan sonar.

NOW, the parties hereby agree as follows:

1. The parties shall prepare and execute an acquisition agreement
containing the following terms:

(a) Upon execution of the acquisition agreement, a Brazilian
subsidiary of Enviro ("the Subsidiary") will acquire the
assets of Eco-Wood (including FundAmazon/Eco-Wood contracts,
licenses, license rights, and other intangible assets) and
Eco-Wood will grant the sole sublicense to Enviro-Recovery,
Inc. for recovering wood from the Amazon River, Inc.

(b) Enviro will transfer 3,000,000 shares of common stock
to Eco-Wood using the following schedule

(i) 1,000,000 shares upon execution of
acquisition agreement;

(ii) 1,000,000 shares one year from the date of
the acquisition agreement;

(iii) 1,000,000 shares two years from the date of
the acquisition agreement;

(iv) the stock will be restricted for not less than
one year depending on U.S. securities laws and its issuance
contingent upon Enviro being the only company that can salvage
wood from the Amazon River System in the state of Para from
the date of this agreement until the stock is issued.

(c) As long as Enviro is the only company that can legally
recover wood from the Amazon River System with the exception
of Lake Tucurui, Enviro shall pay Eco-Wood a royalty of 2% of
net payments received for wood retrieved under this license
and sold by the Subsidiary. Royalties shall be paid quarterly
and shall be subject to adjustment based on receipt of payment
and deductions, bad debt, etc.
__________________
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
d) Options to Eco-Wood for 1,200,000 shares to be granted at
$.20 when a sole license is granted to Enviro for recovery of
logs from the Amazon River System, state of Para and that
FundAmazon provides Enviro with license documentation to
support that Enviro is the only company that can recover wood
from the Amazon River System in the State of Para. FundAmazon
will meet the documentation requirement upon Enviro confirming
that the federal and state licenses or appropriate
legislation, regulations, etc. represent that any competitor
that wants to recover wood from the Amazon River must obtain
the permission of FundAmazon or show that FundAmazon can stop
the competitor by starting a salvage option in the part of theriver that the competitor applied for recovery rights
("documentation requirements"). The documentation,
validity and support must be acceptable, in terms of content
and length of time, in the judgment of Enviro ("agreeable
license terms") for the Options to be granted. The Options
shall not be granted if the documentation requirements or
agreeable license terms are not met within 18 months of this
agreement. After the options are granted, options for
purchasing 200,000 shares shall vest every 12 months after the
options are granted. The options shall be exercisable for 2
years after the options vest. If another company legally
recovers wood from the Amazon River in the State of Para all
unexercised options expire.

(e) Options to Eco-Wood for 1,200,000 shares to be granted at
$.20 when a sole license is granted to Enviro for removal of
logs from the Amazon River System, state of Amazonia and that
FundAmazon provides Enviro with license documentation to
support that Enviro is the only company that can recover wood
from the Amazon River System in the State of Para. FundAmazon
will meet the documentation requirement upon Enviro confirming
that the federal and state licenses or appropriate
legislation, regulations, etc. represent that any competitor
that wants to recover wood from the Amazon River must obtain
the permission of FundAmazon or shows that FundAmazon can stop
the competitor by starting a salvage operation in the part of
the river that the competitor applied for recovery rights
("documentation requirements"). The documentation, validity
and support must be acceptable, in terms of content of length
of time, in the judgment of Enviro ("agreeable license terms")
for the Options to be granted. The Options shall not be
granted if the documentation requirements or agreeable license
terms are not met within 18 months of this agreement. After
the options are granted, options for purchasing 200,000 shares
shall vest every 12 months after the options are granted. The
options shall be exercisable for 2 years after the options
vest. If another company legally recovers wood from the Amazon
River in the State of Amazonia all unexercised options expire.

(f) Eco-Wood has the right to retain its name and legal
identity.

(g) Eco-Wood shall have the right of first refusal to
reacquire license rights at fair market value if Enviro or,
its assignee, ceased at it's volition for reasons other than
economic, legal or political to recover logs under this
license for a continuous period of six months. This first
right of refusal extends until two years from the date that
the acquisition agreement is executed.

(h) Enviro cannot reassign the license to a non-affiliated 3rd
party during the period when shares in item (b) above are not
issued without the written consent of Eco-Wood which shall not
be withheld unreasonably.

(i) Enviro agrees to meet all requirements as specified in the
licenses for recovering wood from the Amazon River.
__________________
More from WW2player on HSM
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Night everyone- I am outta here.

Catch everyone on the upside tomorrow [Wink]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
A surfer, in regards to your post from HSM.

It brings back memories, im quite sure that Enviro-recovery is the company that Mike Alexander named in an early FHAL interview as the company that "failed" to go through with the log recovery. I would have thought that Eco-wood was a logistical means to make it happen this time but its interesting to see that Enviro is meant to pay Eco-wood royalties. Or maybe that does make sense, maybe Enviro is the actual retreiver and eco just handles the behind the scenes work. Possible IMO

In any regard, i hope they are still "attached" to CSHD. They actually seem to have roots!

G'night [Smile]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
For what it's worth, I finally received a response from client services at Euroclear regarding the press release issued by CSHD claiming the bond under ISIN DE0006106875. In October, I had forwarded the press release and asked them if they would verify the claims made by CSHD. Here's their response (you'll notice that they claim to have responded to me on 11/1 and 11/8 but I never received anything from them):

From:Client_Service*euroclear.com
[Add to Address Book]

To:xxxxxxxxx*comcast.net
Subject:CASE 1280927931 ISIN DE0006106875
Date:Friday, December 08, 2006 6:04:45 AM

Dear Mr xxxxxxxxx,

Re: your e-mail conc. ISIN DE0006106875
you asked about a press release

As replied to you on 01/11/06 and on 08/11/06
quote/
After further investigations with our Securities Information Team and our
Corporate Action Team, we can only confirm that the above ISIN is eligible in
Euroclear and pays annually an interest at a rate of 11 pct.
We have not been advised by our depositary on some press release.

We suggest you to arrange this matter with your agent/ issuer directly.

unquote/

Best regards
Giuseppina Duminuco
Euroclear Bank SA/NV
Commercial division - Client Services
Tel : +32 (0)2 224 2810
Fax : +32 (0)2 224 1287

Email :client_service*euroclear.com

Thanks MT..

Good work too.

So in essence they are claiming the ISIN to be real.

we knew that, as i recall...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Not sure if this is new or not but found this on the Point Click and Dream Site.

Investor Relations
Our Principles - National and Global Client centered, working in partnership, accountable for quality results, dedicated to financial integrity and cost-effectiveness, inspired and innovative.

Our Values - Personal honesty, integrity, commitment; working together in teams with openness and trust; empowering others and respecting differences; encouraging risk-taking and responsibility; enjoying our work and our families.

------------------------------------------------------

Legal notice:

Some of the information on this website may contain projections and forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainty. Actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements.

For a discussion of these risks and uncertainties, review Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation online SEC filings, including the most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q visit their website at cvsu.us.

To contact Investor Relations at:

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
Tel: 770-420-8270


http://pointclickdream.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=3 3

GLTA
Wally

Wally this point click and dream was one of the ones Rufus was most excited about in Subpenny interviews.

Nice

welllllll....what *else* was RPH excited about?

[Roll Eyes]

Isn't it safe to say that no *major* event he projected ever came about?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Has anyone put out a missing person's report for either Portman or John?

Good night to all and to all a good night.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
lol...flood the constables with MIA reports...

funny chit
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Morning Board...Interesting read on Eco-Wood.

I was wondering about the CSHD relationship myself after everything has happenned. Mike Alexander was the CEO of Eco-Wood, then stepped in after Rufus.

Besides the wood in the Amazon River Eco-Wood was claiming trillions of dollars in Carbon Credits which to me is a bigger deal with all the recent Environmental Concerns.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
ok, here's one...

-Euroclear
-New World Marketplace
-New INTERNATIONAL trading platforms


-"New Exchange" coming of age?...
One that handles "CARBON CREDITS?" [Big Grin]

Is this what it's all about?....

If so..........."BOOM!!!" -will be the understatement of the year ~

I'm following you on this, Chart . . . I was thinking the same thing when that was posted by TheGreaterGood.
I threw out some information on this a few days back and I hope at least some folks took time to really look into where the conservation movement has gone in the last few years. We are no longer talking about obscure, disjointed groups struggling to make a local impact. There is a multinational push that is building momentum and WILL change the way that society, business and governments interact with the environment. The most visible effort is the stemming of airborne pollution in the form of internationally enforceable mandates. This is where the market for pollution credits will be spawned.

I have, in the past, had the pleasure of working with one of the major conservation groups in the U.S. on a carbon sequestering project. Along the way, I was very pleased to hear the powerful names lending their support (more valuable than money) to that and similar projects: Roosevelt, Rockefeller, Whitney, Disney, Gates, and the list goes on to include a massive number of companies and philanthropic families/groups.

The current environmental initiatives on the global table are backed by the muscle to make things happen as well as the moral foundation to force a groundswell of support when impeded. Even the seemingly all-powerful dark side of the markets will have a tough time besting these groups who influence policy at the highest levels.

I have always felt that we will only realize the impact of what we have stumbled upon some time in the distant future. If this plays out anywhere close to my expectations we will consider ourselves lucky in life... and hopefully carry on the tradition.

And finally, I feel that this is bigger than one small startup company. And for that reason, I will forgive a few apparent mistakes (if that is what they are) from CSHD in an effort to relax and watch things unfold across the board, not just on this piece of the game.

... In My humble Opinion

Here is some follow up from Humble regarding carbon credits and their importance.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Not sure if this is new or not but found this on the Point Click and Dream Site.

Investor Relations
Our Principles - National and Global Client centered, working in partnership, accountable for quality results, dedicated to financial integrity and cost-effectiveness, inspired and innovative.

Our Values - Personal honesty, integrity, commitment; working together in teams with openness and trust; empowering others and respecting differences; encouraging risk-taking and responsibility; enjoying our work and our families.

------------------------------------------------------

Legal notice:

Some of the information on this website may contain projections and forward-looking statements that involve risk and uncertainty. Actual results may differ materially from those set forth in such statements.

For a discussion of these risks and uncertainties, review Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation online SEC filings, including the most recent annual report on Form 10-K and quarterly report on Form 10-Q visit their website at cvsu.us.

To contact Investor Relations at:

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
Tel: 770-420-8270


http://pointclickdream.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=19&Itemid=3 3

GLTA
Wally

Wally this point click and dream was one of the ones Rufus was most excited about in Subpenny interviews.

Nice

welllllll....what *else* was RPH excited about?

[Roll Eyes]

Isn't it safe to say that no *major* event he projected ever came about?

Has it been given a chance to come about TEX???
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I am guessing the Ecowood and Enviro-Recovery venture never really took off.

Not much online about it- this is interesting. Apparently EVRE isn't into filing with the SEC? (from Feb 2006)

www.sec.gov/litigation/admin/34-53298.pdf
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
There's finally something new on the shareholders web.site.

Don't get excited, just more delays! [Roll Eyes]
{better than nothing, at least we know someone is out there}
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
There isn't anything new there...is there?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
That is funny...

See what happens when you blood hounds are out there mocking every little hickup that happens to a web site. They have to give you 48 hours notice of some minor outages. So everyone doesn't fly off the handle screaming "fraud" and "forgot to pay their bill". HAHA!!

quote:

Announcement

On Thursday December, 21st the website will be periodically down from 8a-8p.

This is to perform standard maintenance and upgrade the server hardware.

http://www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com/
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Portman ~ on the shareholder committee web site there is still a space in the navigation that is linked to the 11-20 annoucement. I think you were trying to erase this link but it is still there in the form of a small underline "_". If people click on it, it goes to here.

http://www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com/SU-2006-11-20.php

Just FYI I don't think this was intentional.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
busy day... [Razz]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Man a ton of activity on open this morning... NOT!
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Subject: ...If Santa answered his mail honestly

---------------------------------



Dear Santa,
I wood like a cool toy space ranjur fer Xmas. Iv ben a gud boy all yeer
yer Frend, BiLLy

Dear Billy,
Nice spelling. You're on your way to a career in lawn care. How about I send you a friggin' book so you can learn to read and write? I'm giving your older brother the space ranger. At least
HE can spell!
Santa
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Dear Santa,
I have been a good girl all year, and the only thing I ask for is peace and joy in the world for everybody!
Love, Sarah

Dear Sarah,
Your parents smoked pot when they had you, didn't they?
Santa
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Dear Santa,
Our family has lost all our money and they turned off the heat. We can't even afford to buy firewood for the fireplace. Please help
Love A Surfer

Dear A Surfer: Just use the worthless CSHD Certs. in the fireplace. That will keep you warm through the winter.
Santa

JK :-)
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Dear Santa,
What do you do the other 364 days of the year? Are you busy making toys?
Your friend,
Thomas

Dear Thomas,
All the toys are made in China . I have a condo in Miami , where I spend most of my time making low-budget porno films. I unwind by drinking myself silly and squeezing the azzes of cocktail
waitresses while losing money at the craps table. Hey, you wanted to know.
Santa
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
cshd is killllliinnggggg meeeee....when will this nightmare end. why isnt anyone talking from the company was the heck is going onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn =(
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
0.11 WTF
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
cshd is killllliinnggggg meeeee....when will this nightmare end. why isnt anyone talking from the company was the heck is going onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn =(

Most of us are in the same boat, hurry up and wait.

I was wondering if any of the previous financial 8K or 10K or 10Q actually state what the company made and owned not counting the billions in bonds? That may be a good place to start (again), trying to find what CSHD really makes on the proven business?
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
0.11 WTF

Many investors have lost faith and will continue selling before EOY for the tax break. A lot of people would rather cut their losses and claim it as a loss.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
0.11 WTF

C'mon .10.. c'mon!
 
Posted by casviper on :
 
I hope that the people who bought when it was a dollar, 2 dollar,3 dollars sold. I bought at .34 so my loss is small and I will ride it out to zero and/or when lawsuits are filed. This has class action lawsuit written all over it.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
0.11 WTF

C'mon .10.. c'mon!
Soon we'll see this stock either delisted entirely, or "trading" in the double and triple 0's (.001, .0001, etc.) ...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by casviper:
I hope that the people who bought when it was a dollar, 2 dollar,3 dollars sold. I bought at .34 so my loss is small and I will ride it out to zero and/or when lawsuits are filed. This has class action lawsuit written all over it.

Whether you put $1000 in at $1 or $0.34, what's the difference, if you ride it to $0?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
PM Taxback-
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
cshd is killllliinnggggg meeeee....when will this nightmare end. why isnt anyone talking from the company was the heck is going onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn =(

Most of us are in the same boat, hurry up and wait.

I was wondering if any of the previous financial 8K or 10K or 10Q actually state what the company made and owned not counting the billions in bonds? That may be a good place to start (again), trying to find what CSHD really makes on the proven business?

what i cant understand is we needed all those forms in 10k 10q, none of them have showed up still, is it because of litigation, or do they not plan on filings...there are more questions yet very little if any answers...
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Hello people. Nothing happening....
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
PM
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Quiet day...

Hey it's almost time for the end of day run...back up .01 cent to break even for the day? LOL
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Chart you are full~
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yes Chart you are full ~ [Big Grin] (of it) HAHA!! j/k
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Yes Chart you are full ~ [Big Grin] (of it) HAHA!! j/k

Ya got that right! lol
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
I think every crappy penny stock company should chip in and give CSHD's Rufas Paul Harris an award. He did for penny stock scams what Michael Jordan did for the NBA.

Have you noticed now companies are requesting Nobo lists, blaming naked short selling for their companies poor performance, making outlandish claims that nobody can verify and when the shareholders get antsy, tell em' you had a death in the family to try to turn their anger for you into "compassion". When will it end.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I'm joinin' this one... [Big Grin]
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Yes Chart you are full ~ [Big Grin] (of it) HAHA!! j/k

Ya got that right! lol

 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
I hope Rufus gets run over by a reindeer and rots on the side of the road for 3 months before anyone realizes it, that sorry SOB!
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
quote:

what i cant understand is we needed all those forms in 10k 10q, none of them have showed up still, is it because of litigation, or do they not plan on filings...there are more questions yet very little if any answers... [/QUOTE]


If you set all personal feelings aside and just look at this for what it is you'll realize how much of a scam this is. It took me a while because I wanted to "believe" but I realize now it was a fraud. Its been 4 months and they still cannot prove ownership of the bonds and were still no closer to being uplisted.

I think Rufas knows he's trapped in a corner so the only thing he can do is buy more time and hope people stop asking questions. Its like a person on death row filing appeal after appeal just so he can live longer.

Wheres the MMs waiting to sign on? What happened to pulling money from the bonds to prove ownership? If you connect the dots you realize that all this phoney promises are Rufas' way of buying more time. Now his latest appeal is throwing in some puppet CEO. Mark my words in a month or so he will be gone too and Rufie will step in again and make more promises and buy more time.

Lets get it over already and start the class action suit
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
"Lets get it over already and start the class action suit"


Amen brother, lets fry these pr*cks!
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by etouqe123:
quote:

what i cant understand is we needed all those forms in 10k 10q, none of them have showed up still, is it because of litigation, or do they not plan on filings...there are more questions yet very little if any answers...
If you set all personal feelings aside and just look at this for what it is you'll realize how much of a scam this is. It took me a while because I wanted to "believe" but I realize now it was a fraud. Its been 4 months and they still cannot prove ownership of the bonds and were still no closer to being uplisted.

I think Rufas knows he's trapped in a corner so the only thing he can do is buy more time and hope people stop asking questions. Its like a person on death row filing appeal after appeal just so he can live longer.

Wheres the MMs waiting to sign on? What happened to pulling money from the bonds to prove ownership? If you connect the dots you realize that all this phoney promises are Rufas' way of buying more time. Now his latest appeal is throwing in some puppet CEO. Mark my words in a month or so he will be gone too and Rufie will step in again and make more promises and buy more time.

Lets get it over already and start the class action suit
[/QUOTE]


Interesting perspective. The idea of suing a company which you claim has no assets seems a bit contradictory.

Some people have made up their mind that any money invested in CSHD is gone forever. If that is your opinion, I wish you all the best moving into some of the other plays doing quite well right now. In time and with diligent patience you will have made back your money and be a wiser investor for it.

However, if you are choosing to leave money in CSHD day over day, week over week, you are choosing to stay open to the possibility that your money is not lost. In as much as we would all love daily updates, the reality is that the company will not be issuing PRs for the sake of placating itchy investors. In fact, they would be foolish to do so.

It is easy to cry "scam" because that makes some people feel like they have a justification for impatience, and a target for their anger. To date, no information has come to light from the SEC, shareholders or mountains of DD that definitively puts an end to CSHD or the possibility that the company will pursue its original business plan - the one that got everyone so excited in the first place.

Each person will interpret the events leading up to our current position through their own past experiences. Lies, P&Ds, MoMo/Group plays and illegal manipulation are rampant in these lower markets. Each of these tactics results in a winner and a loser. You might think you have lost with CSHD, but who won if this is all a scam? Those who have done their research will be hard pressed to find anyone that was in a position to profit by driving this company into the ground. In fact, there are far more whose lives will be changed forever if this succeeds.

Everyone should be encouraged to rethink what they know versus what they feel. No one feels good about being down this far in an investment, especially at a time of year when we all could use a little extra. Until I see proof - not negativity, speculation or insider trading theories - to the contrary, I will wait and not let the absence of information lead to unfounded assumptions about the progress of the company (or the SEC investigation, for that matter) beyond the public eye.

Best wishes to everyone in deciding which road to take in the future.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Yes, it would be ridiculous to go after a company that has no assets, which in my opinion will be CSHD. That said, the civil action should be after the assets and/or for time to be served like Skilling of the officers, et. al. who took this to this point.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Yes, it would be ridiculous to go after a company that has no assets, which in my opinion will be CSHD. That said, the civil action should be after the assets and/or for time to be served like Skilling of the officers, et. al. who took this to this point.

Should the SEC or other regulatory body determine that anyone close to this company broke the law and caused so many good people to lose their investment, I will be joining any and all suits. Until then, we are all in the limbo of speculation and misinformation.

The only thing each of us can do is to decide whether to bail out or wait it out. To that end, each investor has a responsibility to himself/herself to make a decision based on all available information. My pity goes to those who are influenced by the ebbing tide of emotion on this board.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
I agree with what you said Humble, except my finishing line would be: My pity goes to those who were influenced by the early rising tide of emotion and recklessness on this board and thought this was a long and strong stock that would fill their stockings and put visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Nice Humble... [Wink]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
I agree with what you said Humble, except my finishing line would be: My pity goes to those who were influenced by the early rising tide of emotion and recklessness on this board and thought this was a long and strong stock that would fill their stockings and put visions of sugar plums dancing in their heads.

precisely: emotion has no place in trading.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Rufus got runned over by a stockholder
Walking home from our house Christmas Eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
But as for me and Repo, we believe.

He'd been drinkin' too much eggnog,
And we'd begged him not to go.
But he'd left his medication,
So he stumbled out the door into the snow.

When they found him Christmas mornin',
At the scene of the attack,
There were stockholder boot prints on his forehead,
And incriminatin' CSHD certs on his back.

Rufus got runned over by a stockholder
Walking home from our house Christmas Eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
But as for me and Repo, we believe.
(Lord, we believe)

Now we're all so proud of Michael,
He's been takin' this so well.
See him in there watchin' football,
Drinkin beer and playin' cards with cousin Sabrell.

It's not Christmas without Rufus.
All the family's dressed in black.
And we just can't help but wonder:
Should we open up his gifts or send them back?

Rufus got runned over by a stockholder
Walking home from our house Christmas Eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
But as for me and Repo, we believe.
(Lord, we believe)

A little Christmas spirit. :-)
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Very clever WV- thanks for the chuckle....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
"Clap Clap Clap"...Cute!
[Big Grin]
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Rufus got runned over by a stockholder
Walking home from our house Christmas Eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
But as for me and Repo, we believe.

He'd been drinkin' too much eggnog,
And we'd begged him not to go.
But he'd left his medication,
So he stumbled out the door into the snow.

When they found him Christmas mornin',
At the scene of the attack,
There were stockholder boot prints on his forehead,
And incriminatin' CSHD certs on his back.

Rufus got runned over by a stockholder
Walking home from our house Christmas Eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
But as for me and Repo, we believe.
(Lord, we believe)

Now we're all so proud of Michael,
He's been takin' this so well.
See him in there watchin' football,
Drinkin beer and playin' cards with cousin Sabrell.

It's not Christmas without Rufus.
All the family's dressed in black.
And we just can't help but wonder:
Should we open up his gifts or send them back?

Rufus got runned over by a stockholder
Walking home from our house Christmas Eve.
You can say there's no such thing as Santa,
But as for me and Repo, we believe.
(Lord, we believe)

A little Christmas spirit. :-)


 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
My fav post from HSM Today:


Originally Posted by ernie d
Been watching this tete-a-tete involving lp640, samrocks et al 4 a few days now ... finally got tired enough of it to post ... who knows who's right at this point, right? WHAT IF lp640 is right about forthcoming good news but his timing forecast is off some ... R some of U that R agin' him gonna swallow? R any of ya provin' anything to anybody by throwin' the barbs back and forth? Growin' any chest hairs?

As Carla recently posted, if U knew that we'd have a much higher pps by March, would U be satisfied? I threw out a hypothetical Q a week or so ago as to whether some would B appeased by pps of $3-5 by mid-Jan. if it meant that there was no 6:1 ... some would say, 'hell, yes!' while others would still *****.

Others have suggested that we need just a bit of good news 2 B appeased B4 Christmas ... some of U R such whiners (even though it seems that many of U have small amounts of $ invested) that IMO you'll find some reason to moan even after U hear some good news ... Y couldn't they answer this question, when they gonna tell us that, how soon is often enough, etc., etc.

I've had a hard-chargin, ass-kickin', take names for a livin' kind of career for 30+ years but it's amazin' what a little seasoning and wisdom will produce in your thought process. I'm far from perfect and have had plenty of tones of sarcasm both here and in life ... sorry 4 some of the sarcasm here but some of ya need to contemplate some of the "touchy, feely" posts just a little ... and yes, I wanna make $$$ on the almost $200K I've invested as well but let's all try just a shade more civility, eh? To paraphrase the sig of one of our HSM comrades, "Leaders ... motivate and inspire others to go in the right direction and they, along with everyone else, sacrifice to get there." R any of U willing 2 sacrifice some of the barf you're throwin' around in here for the good of all. Excluding the bashers, aren't we all on the same TEAM here? How many of us have seen sports teams thrive once the individual players (sometimes with a new "tough-minded" coach, e.g., Jim Leyland with the Tigers this year) realized the value of TEAM?

PEACE and best wishes TO ALL!
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
Humble,

I have noted the irony of suing a company I presume to have no assets, but my point was that if we did go to court it would possibly put this whole circus to rest. Without some sort of outside intervention I believe this will continue to drag along for another year.

At this point I dont even want to bother selling because the total amount is so small and I dont think I can really pursue any legal action if I just cut and run.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
My fav post from HSM Today:


Originally Posted by ernie d
Been watching this tete-a-tete involving lp640, samrocks et al 4 a few days now ... finally got tired enough of it to post ... who knows who's right at this point, right? WHAT IF lp640 is right about forthcoming good news but his timing forecast is off some ... R some of U that R agin' him gonna swallow? R any of ya provin' anything to anybody by throwin' the barbs back and forth? Growin' any chest hairs?

As Carla recently posted, if U knew that we'd have a much higher pps by March, would U be satisfied? I threw out a hypothetical Q a week or so ago as to whether some would B appeased by pps of $3-5 by mid-Jan. if it meant that there was no 6:1 ... some would say, 'hell, yes!' while others would still *****.

Others have suggested that we need just a bit of good news 2 B appeased B4 Christmas ... some of U R such whiners (even though it seems that many of U have small amounts of $ invested) that IMO you'll find some reason to moan even after U hear some good news ... Y couldn't they answer this question, when they gonna tell us that, how soon is often enough, etc., etc.

I've had a hard-chargin, ass-kickin', take names for a livin' kind of career for 30+ years but it's amazin' what a little seasoning and wisdom will produce in your thought process. I'm far from perfect and have had plenty of tones of sarcasm both here and in life ... sorry 4 some of the sarcasm here but some of ya need to contemplate some of the "touchy, feely" posts just a little ... and yes, I wanna make $$$ on the almost $200K I've invested as well but let's all try just a shade more civility, eh? To paraphrase the sig of one of our HSM comrades, "Leaders ... motivate and inspire others to go in the right direction and they, along with everyone else, sacrifice to get there." R any of U willing 2 sacrifice some of the barf you're throwin' around in here for the good of all. Excluding the bashers, aren't we all on the same TEAM here? How many of us have seen sports teams thrive once the individual players (sometimes with a new "tough-minded" coach, e.g., Jim Leyland with the Tigers this year) realized the value of TEAM?

PEACE and best wishes TO ALL!

Holy <bleep>! Someone dropped 200 large in this thing?!?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Whats this? Activity in Ecowood?


Today, 06:53 PM #18763
jmsgod
HSM Regular


Waiting on John Arlitt, to move foward with CSHD first. But through Ecowood we have found we can create our on bonds. Working on our first bond now, will let you know how it turns out. !!


jmsgod
HSM Regular


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 387 Quote:
Originally Posted by LadyTrader
MA told me they are about ready to go ....lets just say the 1st day they go puplic im buying the crap out of it.......


I not sure if it will be public or not, I need to talk with Mike. We need to get started with the work first then other things will fall into place.
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
MA told me they are about ready to go ....lets just say the 1st day they go puplic im buying the crap out of it.......
quote:

Some people never learn..... [Confused]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Does anybody else feel like ALadyintheHouse sounds a lot like Rufus lately?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
So frank- This Ernie is putting out the idea that instead of a 6:1 we may see a higher PPS? Very Interesting!! HHHMMM...sounds like that may be a possibility....
 
Posted by lostone on :
 
euroclear will not confirm or deny ownership of bonds, isn't that sensitive info? and they're not in jurisdiction of US, so good luck SEC or anyone trying to find out..
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
What if they have an MM right now but they are deciding if they should do the 6:1 or a higher PPS....& I believe that would decided the opening ask & bid....

...just thinking out loud...I wish it was for real...Hey you never know....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
That could be a problem...JA also PR'd the 6:1...
BUT...if everything is as it was claimed to be? WHEN/IF this gets cleared up?
I would think that it WILL open at a much higher PPS...
After the audited financials have been done and an MM agrees?
The company and the MM decided the PPS at open to the OTC.BB...
Once that is done? the market will decide how fast if falls, how strong it holds or how high it goes...
AFTER that point? then the 6:1... [Big Grin]
(yeah yeah...I know...when are we going to learn???? It's my dream...let me dream it! [Razz] )
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
What if they have an MM right now but they are deciding if they should do the 6:1 or a higher PPS....& I believe that would decided the opening ask & bid....

...just thinking out loud...I wish it was for real...Hey you never know....


 
Posted by atthebank on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Does anybody else feel like ALadyintheHouse sounds a lot like Rufus lately?

yepa, sounds like twins.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
nice song WV... Happy Holidays.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by lostone:
euroclear will not confirm or deny ownership of bonds, isn't that sensitive info? and they're not in jurisdiction of US, so good luck SEC or anyone trying to find out..

Yes, highly doubtful Euroclear would give out client info to "me or you" Joe Retail...But the SEC works with foreign regulators daily. Look at the recent China Energy case, which involved asset seizure...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Yes the SEC probably looked into the bonds immediately- the fact we aren't shut down is good news to me.

Doesnt mean we are golden- just means that it wasn't a slam dunk. I am sure the SEC would have jumped up and down on someones desk after that 6:1 PR.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Yes the SEC probably looked into the bonds immediately- the fact we aren't shut down is good news to me.

Doesnt mean we are golden- just means that it wasn't a slam dunk. I am sure the SEC would have jumped up and down on someones desk after that 6:1 PR.

let's go through this again, if necessary...

Frank, by what process could the company have been "shut down"?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
A misleading PR? Or fradulent PR? They couldn't step in?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tex- I have a question for you....

Someone here called Alana Black & she said to them that Conversion solutions can conduct business if they choose to right now....In your opinion wouldn't that mean the SEC would have the power to tell them to cease any business right now....??? That's how I took it but I don't understand the process...

Do you think by her saying that she was implying that the SEC was allowing them to continue doing business?
[Confused]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I am sure if during the expedited discovery the SEC discovers the bonds were made with photoshop in Rufus kids laptop our charade would have been over awhile ago.

They might have to file a new TRO- making this one an "emergency action" halting operations.

[EDIT MY OPINION OF COURSE...WHAT DO I KNOW [Smile] ]

Here is an example of them stepping in on behalf of the investors:


On July 20, 2004, the Securities and Exchange Commission filed an emergency action in United States District Court in Dallas, Texas, to halt a fraudulent investment scheme and freeze assets for the benefit of investors. The Commission charged Cash Link Systems Inc. ("Cash Link") and its president, Alan Levine ("Levine"), with securities fraud in connection with an unregistered interstate securities offering involving "cashless" automated teller machines ("ATMs"). The Complaint alleges that over $10 million has been raised from 680 investors nationwide. At the request of the Commission, the Court entered a temporary restraining order halting the offering, issued orders to conserve assets for the benefit of the scheme's victims, including an asset freeze, the appointment of a receiver, and an accounting.

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr18791.htm
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
k Off to zzzz- no late night postings tonight. Pick it back up in the morning.....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tex- I have a question for you....

Someone here called Alana Black & she said to them that Conversion solutions can conduct business if they choose to right now....In your opinion wouldn't that mean the SEC would have the power to tell them to cease any business right now....??? That's how I took it but I don't understand the process...

Do you think by her saying that she was implying that the SEC was allowing them to continue doing business?
[Confused]

I *do* understand your question...

the short answer is no.

Whatever happens must be under purview of due process. For example, yes, the SEC can move to have a stock issue revoked. In other words, it *was* registered to trade--now it's not. BUT that requires an administrative hearing and is quite a different animal than you're seeing here. The most recent "popular" example is CMKX--and it took years and billions of shares traded to get cranked to that level.

The easiest way to get revoked is to quit filing...

Another tool they have is "asset seizure." Hence, my refernces to China Energy. Even there, you'll see the *added components* of foreign owners--which brings up the question of court appearance--AND at least two prior SEC actions.

The example I've been trying to use is Enron, simply for the public awareness angle. Anyone who reads a newspaper has seen those headlines, eh? Yet, Enron still trades. Yes, individuals have been convicted...ancillary companies (that were party to the crimes) have been reduced to much smaller than they were...in short, the "party" was busted up, but nobody padlocked the doors...

Here? The SEC is saying, "hey, we can't verify this. Unless you can verify it, you need to hush with all these claims while we look deeper."

The apparent response has been, "Yeah, ok--we won't even fight back..."


Make sense?
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
I am sure if during the expedited discovery the SEC discovers the bonds were made with photoshop in Rufus kids laptop our charade would have been over awhile ago.

They might have to file a new TRO- making this one an "emergency action" halting operations.

[EDIT MY OPINION OF COURSE...WHAT DO I KNOW [Smile] ]

Here is an example of them stepping in on behalf of the investors:


On July 20, 2004, the Securities and Exchange Commission filed an emergency action in United States District Court in Dallas, Texas, to halt a fraudulent investment scheme and freeze assets for the benefit of investors. The Commission charged Cash Link Systems Inc. ("Cash Link") and its president, Alan Levine ("Levine"), with securities fraud in connection with an unregistered interstate securities offering involving "cashless" automated teller machines ("ATMs"). The Complaint alleges that over $10 million has been raised from 680 investors nationwide. At the request of the Commission, the Court entered a temporary restraining order halting the offering, issued orders to conserve assets for the benefit of the scheme's victims, including an asset freeze, the appointment of a receiver, and an accounting.

http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr18791.htm

oh, ya...good find...read a little bit about that one...lol...had nationwide ads, yes?

Don't remember the outcome, but that's a good case to know about.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: SEC Seeks to Halt Online Scheme

http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP&Date=2006 1219&ID=6290774
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
ya...just heard about this capability today...glass posted elsewhere.

Scary...
 
Posted by Firedog on :
 
I'm safe with what I have the only market I could influance is the corner market, but it is scary to think that accounts can be hacket into especially if you have an bank acount tied to your trading acount like I do.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Here is a good question. If the bonds are real (I feel they are) but were not CSHD's don't cha think the real owners of the bonds would be screaming to:

1) Euroclear to generate a press release to indicate who the real owners are AND are not?

2) The SEC to immiediately stop the claims?

3) Release their own press release indicating ownership?

But where are we? Nowhere, Noone else is claiming ownership of the bonds. The SEC did there thing but has released no information claiming anything to the contrary.

With all the buzz about CSHD don't you think if the owners came forward and said hey ABC owns the bonds, NOT CSHD, all us CSHD information hounds would pick up the press release right away.

I don't mean to sound like a pumper BUT I'm just not ready to write off this company.

My thoughts are with HUMBLE!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Here is a good question. If the bonds are real (I feel they are) but were not CSHD's don't cha think the real owners of the bonds would be screaming to:

1) Euroclear to generate a press release to indicate who the real owners are AND are not?

2) The SEC to immiediately stop the claims?

3) Release their own press release indicating ownership?

But where are we? Nowhere, Noone else is claiming ownership of the bonds. The SEC did there thing but has released no information claiming anything to the contrary.

With all the buzz about CSHD don't you think if the owners came forward and said hey ABC owns the bonds, NOT CSHD, all us CSHD information hounds would pick up the press release right away.

I don't mean to sound like a pumper BUT I'm just not ready to write off this company.

My thoughts are with HUMBLE!

As far as I know, there's no agency, web-site, etc that tracks "who doesn't own a bond."

My thoughts are *away* from Humble: last I saw, he was lamenting "emotion" had left the board.

Having a passion to trade is one thing--letting emotion rule your trades is quite another.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Here is a good question. If the bonds are real (I feel they are) but were not CSHD's don't cha think the real owners of the bonds would be screaming to:

1) Euroclear to generate a press release to indicate who the real owners are AND are not?

2) The SEC to immiediately stop the claims?

3) Release their own press release indicating ownership?

But where are we? Nowhere, Noone else is claiming ownership of the bonds. The SEC did there thing but has released no information claiming anything to the contrary.

With all the buzz about CSHD don't you think if the owners came forward and said hey ABC owns the bonds, NOT CSHD, all us CSHD information hounds would pick up the press release right away.

I don't mean to sound like a pumper BUT I'm just not ready to write off this company.

My thoughts are with HUMBLE!

As far as I know, there's no agency, web-site, etc that tracks "who doesn't own a bond."

My thoughts are *away* from Humble: last I saw, he was lamenting "emotion" had left the board.

Having a passion to trade is one thing--letting emotion rule your trades is quite another.

"last I saw, he was lamenting "emotion" had left the board."

Thank you for the inadvertent critique. I obviously need to work on my writing as the message you took from my comment was exactly contrary to my intent.

In the interest of clarity, I am compelled to quote myself (very odd thing to have to do).

"Everyone should be encouraged to rethink what they know versus what they feel. No one feels good about being down this far in an investment, especially at a time of year when we all could use a little extra. Until I see proof - not negativity, speculation or insider trading theories - to the contrary, I will wait and not let the absence of information lead to unfounded assumptions about the progress of the company (or the SEC investigation, for that matter) beyond the public eye. "

Please be accurate when discussing other's positions or opinions - or at least in the ballpark.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Here is a good question. If the bonds are real (I feel they are) but were not CSHD's don't cha think the real owners of the bonds would be screaming to:

1) Euroclear to generate a press release to indicate who the real owners are AND are not?

2) The SEC to immiediately stop the claims?

3) Release their own press release indicating ownership?

But where are we? Nowhere, Noone else is claiming ownership of the bonds. The SEC did there thing but has released no information claiming anything to the contrary.

With all the buzz about CSHD don't you think if the owners came forward and said hey ABC owns the bonds, NOT CSHD, all us CSHD information hounds would pick up the press release right away.

I don't mean to sound like a pumper BUT I'm just not ready to write off this company.

My thoughts are with HUMBLE!

IF CSHD does NOT own the bonds, why would the REAL owners care what this company says? if THEY own the bonds then THEY will and are collecting the interest on them! THEY ( the real owners ) probably do not even know this company exists!!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
You don't think the owners behind a 500mil bond would know where that bond is parked?

And how much projected money that bond is going to be bring in (I believe it was 50% profit).

If not owners- someone somewhere is counting on the Bond itself making money.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
[QUOTE]As far as I know, there's no agency, web-site, etc that tracks "who doesn't own a bond."

Sure there is... isn't that what the criminal Tim Miles is claiming to be doing from a non-extraditious country?
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Gooooooooooooooooodddddddddddddddd Morniiiiinnnnggg CSHD. What a day, what a day. Let's start off today with that famous Christmas carol that is near and dear to our hearts. Go ahead. Hum along. Sing along. You know the words:

Rufus the Red Nosed Scammer

You know Michael and Sabra and Randy and John;
You've heard of BBAN and FHAL and Enron,
But do you recall the most famous scammer of all-

Rufus, the red-nosed scammer
had a very shiny nose.
And if you ever saw him,
you would even say it glows.

All of the other scammers
used to laugh and call him names.
They never let poor Rufus
join in any scammer games.

Then one foggy Christmas Eve
Santa came to say:
"Rufus with your ethics not so bright,
won't you scam the stockholders tonight?"

Then all the scammers loved him
as they shouted out with glee,
Rufus the red-nosed scammer,
you should be hanging from a white oak tree!
------------------------------------------------

JK :-)
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
How about another Christmas story!!!!!


Mr. Harris's Neighborhood


[ Mr. Harris enters his apartment dressed as Santa Claus ]

Mr. Harris: [ singing ]
"It's a beautiful day in the neigborhood
A beautiful day for a neighbor.
Would you be mine?
Could you be mine?
Won't you be my neighbor?"

Hello, boys and girls! You know, Christmas is a special time in Mr. Harris's neighborhood. It's a time for giving, and look what SEC gave me - it's a cease and desist notice. Well, that's why Mr. Harris has to wear this Santa Claus suit, instead of his cowboy hat and boots, to sneak in and out of his building. But it just isn't a disguise, boys and girls. Because, when I add this little pail here, and when I have this little bell, it becomes a small business with no assets. [ rings the bell ] Yes, Christmas is a season for giving, and for taking! And with this little operation, I figure I'll be taking on about $3 to 4 million! Oh, why oh why, must Christmas come but once a year?

[ puts his stuff away ]

You know, another reason why Mr. Harris likes Christmas so much, boys and girls, is because I have so much in common with Santa Claus. We both like to sneak into your bank account late at night. Only Mr. Santa Claus likes to leave things. Mr. Harris prefers to take a few things every now and then. Let's see what I have for Christmas today. [ reaches into his sack ] Oh, look.. a little doll baby called FHAL! Isn't it so cute, boys and girls? It's not worth a lot right now, but, through the miracles of modern science.. [ pulls off the head, and replaces it with a cabbage ] ..Cabbage Patch CSHD doll! Now they're worth a lot of cabbage! I could sell this worthless stock to little stupid kids for about $5 each! $5 each! Can you believe that! That's why I love Christmas! And that's today's word, boys and girls. [ walks over to the word board, which has "X-MAS" written on it ] "Christ-mas". You know any other words that start with "X", boys and girls? How about.. [ flips card over to show word "X-CON" ] ..Ex-con"? [ a knock is heard at the door ] Who could that be, boys and girls?

Voice At Door: Harris! Are you the guy that sold stock with a lot of promises and BS?!

Mr. Harris: That reminds me of another word, boys and girls, that begins with "X" - "Ex-scape"! [ grabs his bag ] Well, I'll see you later. And remember: "Tomorrow, tomorrow, I'll visit you tomorrow when you're sound asleep.." [ jumps out window ] Goodbye, boys and girls!
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
post from hsm, interesting.


May not be the meat you are looking for Solo... But IMO this is something we should all be keeping a close eye on...

http://www.marketwatch .com/News/Story/Story.aspx?guid=%7B8EE6F908%2D9699%2D4220%2D924B%2 D6E203455ECF7%7D&source=blq%2Fyhoo&dist=yhoo&sitei d=yhoo
 
Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
LOL, Mr. Harris' Neighborhood. Bravo!

Jo
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
If anyone is looking to buy this POS, there is an order out there for 3200 at .15
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wv1973:
Gooooooooooooooooodddddddddddddddd Morniiiiinnnnggg CSHD. What a day, what a day. Let's start off today with that famous Christmas carol that is near and dear to our hearts. Go ahead. Hum along. Sing along. You know the words:

Rufus the Red Nosed Scammer

You know Michael and Sabra and Randy and John;
You've heard of BBAN and FHAL and Enron,
But do you recall the most famous scammer of all-

Rufus, the red-nosed scammer
had a very shiny nose.
And if you ever saw him,
you would even say it glows.

All of the other scammers
used to laugh and call him names.
They never let poor Rufus
join in any scammer games.

Then one foggy Christmas Eve
Santa came to say:
"Rufus with your ethics not so bright,
won't you scam the stockholders tonight?"

Then all the scammers loved him
as they shouted out with glee,
Rufus the red-nosed scammer,
you should be hanging from a white oak tree!
------------------------------------------------

JK :-)

 -
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
If anyone is looking to buy this POS, there is an order out there for 3200 at .15

Now it's a POS.. I remember the days, not too long ago, when you would mock and curse me for saying such things.
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
If anyone is looking to buy this POS, there is an order out there for 3200 at .15

Now it's a POS.. I remember the days, not too long ago, when you would mock and curse me for saying such things.
Don't worry, I still don't like you. [Razz]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I think I will hold out for you to lower your price to 0.10. This way Repo can make his case to move the thread, and I will get even more of a discount.

In reality... I think Repo is right that this thread should be moved as soon as it goes below the 0.10 marker. I for one don’t care where the thread goes it will still be active until this thing get’s settled.

Lot’s of talk on HSM this morning regarding NYSE and the Euronext merger. Definitely some connections to Rufus’s past comments about emerging international markets, and Euroclear. Some interesting DD trails forming.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Don't worry Repo. It's hard to like someone when you are ohhhhhhhhhhhhh soooooooooooo right and they are ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh sooooooooooooooo wrong!! :-)

------------------------------------------------
Nobody Can Take Christ Out of My Christmas
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:

Lot’s of talk on HSM this morning regarding NYSE and the Euronext merger. Definitely some connections to Rufus’s past comments about emerging international markets, and Euroclear. Some interesting DD trails forming. [/QB]

--------------------------------------------------

Maybe Rufus missed his calling. He must be --

A psychic is a person who is able to experience extra-sensory perception, such as clairvoyance, psychometry, and precognition, or who has other paranormal abilities such as psychokinesis. The study of such paranormal abilities is called parapsychology.

The issue of whether or not psychic abilities are real is controversial within science; however, recent polls show a high instance of support amongst scientists and academics.[1] Parapsychologists have scientifically studied psychic abilities for over a century, and many have claimed that belief in some psychic abilities may be scientifically plausible. For instance, parapsychologists such as Dr. Dean Radin, a leading parapsychological researcher and President of the Parapsychological Association, claim that psychokinetic alteration of the output of random number generators is scientifically well-founded.[2]

Mediums, like psychics, also claim to have extra-sensory abilities but claim to obtain their information from spirits or the deceased.

What a stretch
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
WV ~ I guess you would say Triguboff and Rattner were also psychics. Since they bought their seats on the NYSE before April 20 2005 when the initial merger was announced.

If this article came out May of 2005, and the merger was annouced in April of 2005. I hardly believe Rufus needed psychic powers to know about it in 2006.

He just had to be paying attention.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7807539/site/newsweek/

I am pretty sure Rufus's credibility is already in question, but thanks for taking the opportunity to quote m-w.com and attempting to connect him with the soothsayers, psychics, and voo-doo hoo-doo crack pots. It makes the speculation on his poor credit that much more colorful. [Smile]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I noticed there is alot of filing's for Lehman Brothers on Edgar? Not sure what it all means.
I have to leave and don't have time to dd right now.
Just thought it might be an interesting read.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
well the chart for cshd looks like a classic depiction of a penny stock gone sour...its not over yet i say...
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
well the chart for cshd looks like a classic depiction of a penny stock gone sour...its not over yet i say...

When is it over? Does it have to reach $0.00??
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
well the chart for cshd looks like a classic depiction of a penny stock gone sour...its not over yet i say...

When is it over? Does it have to reach $0.00??
Yep... or maybe 0.0000 [Big Grin]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
it wont be over , rufus and company will most likely continue to do business regardless of the outcome...i cant imagine them being jailed i dont think its THAT serious...plus the court system is slowwwwwww
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Do I dare say another buying opportunity (LOL)?
 
Posted by mathis on :
 
Chart your PM is full
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
crickets...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
If they offered me stock certificates in this company to wipe my butt with, I think I'd pass. After all, you never know where those certificates have been previously ... maybe down in South America, picking up some strange, rain forest germs or something...

[Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm finished with this thread now, I promise...]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Kevin- sorry about your grandma.....

Happy Holidays...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If they offered me stock certificates in this company to wipe my butt with, I think I'd pass. After all, you never know where those certificates have been previously ... maybe down in South America, picking up some strange, rain forest germs or something...

[Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm finished with this thread now, I promise...]

You could end up walking funny [Eek!]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Kevin- sorry about your grandma.....

Happy Holidays...

Thanks Jenna. Like I told Tex on my "Swing Picks" thread, trading is a bit cathartic for me.

And all kidding aside, I do hope that you all can either dump your shares for a decent price, or that something big happens, and I'm proven completely wrong about the stock. And my last post was simply me having an impulse control problem...

And a Merry Christmas to you as well, Jenna.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
"...impulse control problem..."
LOL..that's what got me into this stock.... [Roll Eyes] [Eek!] [Smile]
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I know what you mean, 10. Back in the day, I played NEOM for a quick double, then got on the wrong side of that one, and ended up red, on a play where I'd had 100% profit at one point. I learned a lot of tough lessons from that play ...

Fortunately, UVCL came along, and I got a 3- or 4-bagger on that one, which made it ALL okay ... I was feeling NO pain after that!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Oh Kevin...
I made far more than 100% profit(close to 2000%) on this one...But left a small portion to "see"...
And to be honest? I ain't seein' much! [Roll Eyes] [Big Grin]

We'll just wait until the doors are completely locked! (yes i am stubborn!)

(To all Newbies reading...DO NOT BUY this Stock!)
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Good for you, 10! So you DO have "impulse contro", notwithstanding your previous statement...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
The impulse control? went out the door when i bought back in...LOL
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Where is the blue shampoo?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
That was another "impulse problem"...LOL [Razz]
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Where is the blue shampoo?


 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
10, where were you when I was a young vigin? I am now a used and abused old hag....
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
hello, goodbye...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
3403?
I'm right there with ya! If not ahead of ya...LOL
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
R we there yet, huh, huh, R we there yet! Hey Doni, you up for some hungry, hungry, hippos! Hey everyone, just wanted to stop in and say Happy Holidays. Later
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
HAS ANYONE NOTICED?

I foolishly never sold on the GAPJ.PK scam just to see how it would play out. It was only a grand by then anyway. I finally got around to comparing the chart of a proven ‘pump and dump’ like GAPJ to CSHD. While not identical they are sadly similar. Something I thought was very interesting was that both these stocks were halted by the SEC (ten days) for different reasons (GAPJ was being mass spam mailed as the ‘pump’). In both cases however, the SEC decided NOT to move in for almost exactly THREE MONTHS! At the very least I would like to see if this is a pattern for future plays like this. Chart maybe you can help me hear? Note: although the early pump or news may have started prior I am referring to the time the SEC moves on these companies after the huge upward price movement until the ten day suspensions were ordered. I remember someone almost predicting it was about time for a halt a day or two before it happened. This would be great to know and be able to half-sell shortly before?

Thanks in advance for whatever experience you long time penny pros have (REPO!)
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
You can compare the two one year charts here:


http://***charts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=gapj


*** = big
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
It looks to me like GAPJ’s huge pump started beginning of Jan and SEC halted at the flat line the Beginning of April (I should remember this I owned it  )

CSHD’s first real ‘breakout’ stared right in the middle of July even though some of us who were on board then owned FHAL and new of the rumors and lasted until Oct. 24th.

Can anyone give me a timeframe for another play like these or from experience that they know of?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
thecon?
although I understand what it is that you are trying to say...this held...it only fell because of the SEC halt....the other "declines" were due to the timing of sour street and stock lemon...
There wasn't a "dump"...from what all can see...IMO...
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
supposedly, there is a "classic" profile that PnD's display...at least, I see peeps referring to such charts, around various boards... I'm not familiar with any such "profile," myself... Now, your intraday, group gropes...that's pretty easy to see on a chart, but on longer, developing plays...I dunno.

My *guess* here is that the chart would be/is unique, due to almost every kind of cluster-puck trading imagineable: big buys, small buys, sales into runs, assorted shorting, assorted covering... in other words, if *there* is a "profile," I'd be surprised if this fits...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
10 of virtue:

I have followed your posts because you have always been very realistic in your view of CSHD.

Yet, The biggest problem I have is the fact that the company refuses to deal with shareholders on a truthful basis.

We need to go to alternate sites to get info. The so called SHC, which I and others that hold a significant portion of this stock, were never given the ability to vote, seem to have taken over and live in the same secrecy that the company does. now have control.

Personally, I'm tired of Cobra's and Phoenix's. I want something more substantial. I want to know that my interests are being looked after.

I'm sorry but at this point in time, I feel that the company is aiding certain individuals to enable them to stop people from selling at a loss to take the tax benefits they are entitled to.

I have a few days to consider my tax situation bt am incline to sell since I do not believe that anything will move this stock within the next 30 days. Of course this is my opinion and take it for what it is worth.

No matter what, 10. I think you are the bomb and will consider you my friend no matter what.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Can anyone pm me or post what all the pm's are about by lp over on the other board. LP says he'll pm anyone who wants to know the upcoming news but everytime I try his box is full.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
It looks to me like GAPJ’s huge pump started beginning of Jan and SEC halted at the flat line the Beginning of April (I should remember this I owned it  )

CSHD’s first real ‘breakout’ stared right in the middle of July even though some of us who were on board then owned FHAL and new of the rumors and lasted until Oct. 24th.

Can anyone give me a timeframe for another play like these or from experience that they know of?

lol...dime a dozen...new one getting geared up everyday...

btw, I might consider changing my nick, if I were gonna express such interest in PnDs... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
[Embarrassed] Shucks Wally...thank you...and the same feelings from me to you...(must of been the dreams)
[Wink]
And yes...I agree...WE need something from the COMPANY...Period...I am very tired of "reading into" the posts on other boards...and all the PM's and "hush hush"...BS...The Tax write off type thing? Right now? it is hard to sell...the buy that I did last week? (Because dumb butt me...thought the "hype" for the 18th would come...well it went)I have had a sell sitting at .15 since Monday afternoon...and nothing...
I for one am going to hold now at least until the end of this week...I am hoping that if the SHC website is doing an update in their programming...then maybe there will be something on that...but I won't hold my breath...

Sweet dreams all...
[Wink]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
[Embarrassed] Shucks Wally...thank you...and the same feelings from me to you...(must of been the dreams)
[Wink]
And yes...I agree...WE need something from the COMPANY...Period...I am very tired of "reading into" the posts on other boards...and all the PM's and "hush hush"...BS...The Tax write off type thing? Right now? it is hard to sell...the buy that I did last week? (Because dumb butt me...thought the "hype" for the 18th would come...well it went)I have had a sell sitting at .15 since Monday afternoon...and nothing...
I for one am going to hold now at least until the end of this week...I am hoping that if the SHC website is doing an update in their programming...then maybe there will be something on that...but I won't hold my breath...

Sweet dreams all...
[Wink]

THe dreams of you and betting Babe will keep me through many winters no matter where they may be.

Hey don't get down on yourself for trying to make a few bucks on CSHD while it's on the greys. Heck if the rumor was true you would have done very well. I just think that the POWERS that be are enlisting a little help to prop this up through the end of the year. They know that people will sell in order to minimize the gains of the year.

At this point. I do expect the POWERS that be will give this at least one more good pump before they are done, IF it isn't real. So the shares you bought will reap you some profit.

I look forward to not only dreaming of you but being in the same plays in the future. in my book you are one of the keepers.
GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
10of13 ~ I agree I think selling this next week is going to be tougher than many believe. I do think we will see a significant drop in price if no news is released. People trying anything to sell for the tax benefits, and no one wanting to buy without indication of positive movement.

I shouldn't say "no one" there are some people out ther like myself willing to buy a bit more at these levels.

A bird reminded me the other day of the 30 day rule on the tax write off on capital gain/loss... (meaning you can not buy back the same stock for 30 days following the sale.) I don't plan on selling for tax purposes, but I may be waiting if the demand drives the price down... {hint hint wink wink} [Wink]

Just a glutton for punishment.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Here is a good question. If the bonds are real (I feel they are) but were not CSHD's don't cha think the real owners of the bonds would be screaming to:

1) Euroclear to generate a press release to indicate who the real owners are AND are not?

2) The SEC to immiediately stop the claims?

3) Release their own press release indicating ownership?

But where are we? Nowhere, Noone else is claiming ownership of the bonds. The SEC did there thing but has released no information claiming anything to the contrary.

With all the buzz about CSHD don't you think if the owners came forward and said hey ABC owns the bonds, NOT CSHD, all us CSHD information hounds would pick up the press release right away.

I don't mean to sound like a pumper BUT I'm just not ready to write off this company.

My thoughts are with HUMBLE!

As far as I know, there's no agency, web-site, etc that tracks "who doesn't own a bond."

My thoughts are *away* from Humble: last I saw, he was lamenting "emotion" had left the board.

Having a passion to trade is one thing--letting emotion rule your trades is quite another.

"last I saw, he was lamenting "emotion" had left the board."

Thank you for the inadvertent critique. I obviously need to work on my writing as the message you took from my comment was exactly contrary to my intent.

In the interest of clarity, I am compelled to quote myself (very odd thing to have to do).

"Everyone should be encouraged to rethink what they know versus what they feel. No one feels good about being down this far in an investment, especially at a time of year when we all could use a little extra. Until I see proof - not negativity, speculation or insider trading theories - to the contrary, I will wait and not let the absence of information lead to unfounded assumptions about the progress of the company (or the SEC investigation, for that matter) beyond the public eye. "

Please be accurate when discussing other's positions or opinions - or at least in the ballpark.

...In My humble Opinion

oh, humble, humble, humble...

You are a piece of work, I'll give you that, lol... However, I'm quite accurate much of the time, and your "ballpark" comment is way off...am so *inside* the park, would be like a triple-play to deconstruct your post...

Saw something tonight, from Wally (a good poster here), that obtains:

quote:
I'm sorry but at this point in time, I feel that the company is aiding certain individuals to enable them to stop people from selling at a loss to take the tax benefits they are entitled to.
Now, not saying Wally agrees with me in this particular debate, but ya...you're mostly smoke n' mirrors...skillful, persuasive, obfuscating...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Here is a good question. If the bonds are real (I feel they are) but were not CSHD's don't cha think the real owners of the bonds would be screaming to:

1) Euroclear to generate a press release to indicate who the real owners are AND are not?

2) The SEC to immiediately stop the claims?

3) Release their own press release indicating ownership?

But where are we? Nowhere, Noone else is claiming ownership of the bonds. The SEC did there thing but has released no information claiming anything to the contrary.

With all the buzz about CSHD don't you think if the owners came forward and said hey ABC owns the bonds, NOT CSHD, all us CSHD information hounds would pick up the press release right away.

I don't mean to sound like a pumper BUT I'm just not ready to write off this company.

My thoughts are with HUMBLE!

As far as I know, there's no agency, web-site, etc that tracks "who doesn't own a bond."

My thoughts are *away* from Humble: last I saw, he was lamenting "emotion" had left the board.

Having a passion to trade is one thing--letting emotion rule your trades is quite another.

"last I saw, he was lamenting "emotion" had left the board."

Thank you for the inadvertent critique. I obviously need to work on my writing as the message you took from my comment was exactly contrary to my intent.

In the interest of clarity, I am compelled to quote myself (very odd thing to have to do).

"Everyone should be encouraged to rethink what they know versus what they feel. No one feels good about being down this far in an investment, especially at a time of year when we all could use a little extra. Until I see proof - not negativity, speculation or insider trading theories - to the contrary, I will wait and not let the absence of information lead to unfounded assumptions about the progress of the company (or the SEC investigation, for that matter) beyond the public eye. "

Please be accurate when discussing other's positions or opinions - or at least in the ballpark.

...In My humble Opinion

oh, humble, humble, humble...

You are a piece of work, I'll give you that, lol... However, I'm quite accurate much of the time, and your "ballpark" comment is way off...am so *inside* the park, would be like a triple-play to deconstruct your post...

Saw something tonight, from Wally (a good poster here), that obtains:

quote:
I'm sorry but at this point in time, I feel that the company is aiding certain individuals to enable them to stop people from selling at a loss to take the tax benefits they are entitled to.
Now, not saying Wally agrees with me in this particular debate, but ya...you're mostly smoke n' mirrors...skillful, persuasive, obfuscating...
Who said we have to agree to call a spade a spade.

I just think it is very suspicious that the pumping started when people were selling to take tax losses, am not just talking about CSDH as far as the tax equation it looks very predominate throughout the penny world.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Tex-

I've thought the same thing about "humble" for a long time. I love how he has the whole schtick where he doesn't capitalize "humble" in his "In My humble Opinion" sign off. I've always took it as his subconscious revealing that he's not "humble" at all, in the Webster's sense of the word, but is probably really named "humble" (last name or something). I've found that most people who are ACTUALLY humble, don't need to point it out to others.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
clever guy, for sure...
 
Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
I sold my CSHD in my regular account and rebought CSHD with ALL the proceeds in my IRA. So I won't be selling for a tax loss. However, ironically, I will be paying taxes on those gains I made back in the day. Kind of stinks.

[Frown]

Jo
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jo4321:
I sold my CSHD in my regular account and rebought CSHD with ALL the proceeds in my IRA. So I won't be selling for a tax loss. However, ironically, I will be paying taxes on those gains I made back in the day. Kind of stinks.

[Frown]

Jo

Worst scenario ever.
 
Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
LOL, I know!

Would you expect anything less from me, Repo?

Jo
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
What a chilly and snowy morning for those stockholders in the midwest. So why don't we get all of our heart's warm with this wonderful Christmas story:

Twas The Night Before Christmas (Texas Style)

'Twas the night before Christmas, in Texas, you know. Way out on the prairie, without any snow. Asleep in their cabin, were Michael and Sabra and Randy and Ben, too, A dreamin' of Christmas, like me and you.

Not stockings, but boots, at the foot of their bed, For this was Texas, what more need be said, When all of a sudden, from out of the still night, There came such a Rufus, it gave me a fright.

And I saw 'cross the prairie, like a shot from a gun, A loaded up buckboard, come on at a run, The driver was "Geein" and "Hawin", with a will, The horses (not reindeer) he drove with such skill.

"Come on there Scam, Pump, & Dump, to the right, There'll be plenty of travelin' for you all tonight." The driver in Levi's and a shirt that was red, Had a ten-gallon Stetson on top of his head.

As he stepped from the buckboard, he was really a sight, With his beard and moustache, so curly and white from fright. As he burst in the cabin, the children awoke, And were so astonished, that none of them spoke.

And he filled up their boots with CSHD Certs galore, That neither could think of a single thing more. When Mike recovered the use of his jaws, He asked in a whisper, "Are you really Santa Claus?"

"Am I the real Santa? Well, what do you think?" And he smiled as he gave a mysterious wink. Then he leaped in his buckboard to escape angry shareholders, and called back in his drawl, "To all the stockholders I've screwed, Merry Christmas, You-all"
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Here is a good question. If the bonds are real (I feel they are) but were not CSHD's don't cha think the real owners of the bonds would be screaming to:

1) Euroclear to generate a press release to indicate who the real owners are AND are not?

2) The SEC to immiediately stop the claims?

3) Release their own press release indicating ownership?

But where are we? Nowhere, Noone else is claiming ownership of the bonds. The SEC did there thing but has released no information claiming anything to the contrary.

With all the buzz about CSHD don't you think if the owners came forward and said hey ABC owns the bonds, NOT CSHD, all us CSHD information hounds would pick up the press release right away.

I don't mean to sound like a pumper BUT I'm just not ready to write off this company.

My thoughts are with HUMBLE!

As far as I know, there's no agency, web-site, etc that tracks "who doesn't own a bond."

My thoughts are *away* from Humble: last I saw, he was lamenting "emotion" had left the board.

Having a passion to trade is one thing--letting emotion rule your trades is quite another.

"last I saw, he was lamenting "emotion" had left the board."

Thank you for the inadvertent critique. I obviously need to work on my writing as the message you took from my comment was exactly contrary to my intent.

In the interest of clarity, I am compelled to quote myself (very odd thing to have to do).

"Everyone should be encouraged to rethink what they know versus what they feel. No one feels good about being down this far in an investment, especially at a time of year when we all could use a little extra. Until I see proof - not negativity, speculation or insider trading theories - to the contrary, I will wait and not let the absence of information lead to unfounded assumptions about the progress of the company (or the SEC investigation, for that matter) beyond the public eye. "

Please be accurate when discussing other's positions or opinions - or at least in the ballpark.

...In My humble Opinion

oh, humble, humble, humble...

You are a piece of work, I'll give you that, lol... However, I'm quite accurate much of the time, and your "ballpark" comment is way off...am so *inside* the park, would be like a triple-play to deconstruct your post...

Saw something tonight, from Wally (a good poster here), that obtains:

quote:
I'm sorry but at this point in time, I feel that the company is aiding certain individuals to enable them to stop people from selling at a loss to take the tax benefits they are entitled to.
Now, not saying Wally agrees with me in this particular debate, but ya...you're mostly smoke n' mirrors...skillful, persuasive, obfuscating...
Well I disagree with your thinking here.

Humble has brought up valid points of interest along the way.

Show me the smoke and mirrors....
 
Posted by humble on :
 
Without any proof whatsoever, a new conspiracy has emerged: CSHD might be encouraging some people to artificially support the price of this stock while others sell for a tax writeoff.

In the interest of putting some reality into the latest conspiracy theory, I will go on record as saying that I have no contact whatsoever with anyone involved with CSHD and I know if no other investors involved in this plot. Additionally, I will not be selling any of my position for a tax benefit.

I try to limit my input to two varieties:

1) Post information that may be relevant to this company, and

2) Offer a counterpoint to the long strings of negativity due to no real information presenting itself, negativity that, ironically, may very well be influencing shareholders to take action based solely on the mood and opinion of others.

Sometimes boredom, anger and impatience gets the better of us but I hope we can keep the debate focused on what we know and verifiable information that may help shed some light on where CSHD is and might be going.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
WV- Once again very clever!!! I enjoy these Christmas Carols....It's nice to chuckle first thing in the morning!!! [Wink]

Humble- Good Morning....Always nice hearing from you.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Saw something tonight, from Wally (a good poster here), that obtains:

quote:
I'm sorry but at this point in time, I feel that the company is aiding certain individuals to enable them to stop people from selling at a loss to take the tax benefits they are entitled to.
Now, not saying Wally agrees with me in this particular debate, but ya...you're mostly smoke n' mirrors...skillful, persuasive, obfuscating... [/qb][/QUOTE]Who said we have to agree to call a spade a spade.

I just think it is very suspicious that the pumping started when people were selling to take tax losses, am not just talking about CSDH as far as the tax equation it looks very predominate throughout the penny world.

GLTA
Wally [/QB][/QUOTE]

----------------------------------------------

I'm sorry but I don't a "conspiracy theory" here. I see one person saying "I feel". You can get feeling w/o backup; you can even try to tie this company to carbon credits and ecowood w/o backup -- it's ok, a very long stretch, but ok. A person can get a gut feeling, an uneasiness if you will, w/o trying to promote a conspiracy theory.

If this board stuck to facts, it would recognize CEOs with questionable histories; promises made and promises broken; a pitiful SHC (which could be an example of smoke and mirrors); improper or late filings; SEC involvement; after nearly two months no definite proof of bond ownership or Duestche bank contract, etc.

If you can have pipedreams about carbon credits, Ecowood, etc., you surely should be allowed to have "bad feelings" about this one as well. IMO
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Humble ~ I don't think the recent amount of pumping has anything to do with supporting the price for a sell-off and Tax relief. Honestly you get more relief the more you lose, so supporting the price does very little other than give a bit of predictability in the unpredictable grey market.

No I think it may be a concerted effort to keep the price green for some. You know those people that bought from 0.04 to 0.14... I missed that purchase by two days. (Didn't have the funds in my margin, and had to let them settle the full three days. [Frown] ) I know if I bought an extreemly large number in at a price close to what the current price is... and I didn't cash out before the suspension. I would be acting like a few posters I have heard recently.

It is hard sometimes to see where other peoples motivation begins and ends. But we can't forget that many early investors laughed really hard at the bashers early on saying things similar to, "I got my shares for less than 0.20 average. It would have to drop down to there before I would even begin to sweat." I think the recent wave has been just that. The sweating has begun for a few of the original believers. People that saw thousands and possibly millions on the way up, now holding and staring their original purchase price right in the eye.

Just my humble opinion... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well comon SHC! Let's see that new website!

(Disclaimer: Pure Speculation/ I don't know if it will be a new improved web site, just know that they need more than what they have right now.)
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
People are noting that the http://www.cvsu.us site has changed.

All I notice is that the Quote Media service (just like the one on the OTCBB site) which was a paid service is gone. and the site runs horendously slow for some reason.

I do not think the change to the site was intentional. they may be having problems with their Quote Media service link.
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
That stuff seems to be working for me... [Confused]

It is also working at speed...no lag or anything...

Although I can say that quotemedia hasn't been updated since Oct 31, according to the profile section...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
It does seem to be back... still loading pretty slowly (for me)... Stupid Quote Media service... it will tank a site's response times.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
"If this board stuck to facts, it would recognize CEOs with questionable histories; promises made and promises broken; a pitiful SHC (which could be an example of smoke and mirrors); improper or late filings; SEC involvement; after nearly two months no definite proof of bond ownership or Duestche bank contract, etc."

Yes, that is some, not all, of the information we know as fact to this point. By all means, feel free to summarize a list of "knowns". It's good to remember what we have seen so that when new information does come we can be ready to fit it into the bigger picture.

I actually enjoy the banter from both sides and I think there is value in being able to draw one's own conclusions based the input. I would never discourage open discourse when done responsibly. Propping up a feeling with speculation about people's motivations without any basis in fact seems to me to be several degrees from responsible DD.

It would be great if we had more news to dig into but the waiting continues.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
I think we need to change the title of this thread to something else....jmo
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
PORTMAN CAN YOU PASS THIS ON TO THE NEW BIGSHOT.
I know our CEO is busy covering his own a$$,but maybe i'll get lucky.
This no less than pure BULL$HIT that all management present and past have just disappeared, after all the hype they gave to buying this stock and the bond ownership etc,.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
"If this board stuck to facts, it would recognize CEOs with questionable histories; promises made and promises broken; a pitiful SHC (which could be an example of smoke and mirrors); improper or late filings; SEC involvement; after nearly two months no definite proof of bond ownership or Duestche bank contract, etc."

Yes, that is some, not all, of the information we know as fact to this point. By all means, feel free to summarize a list of "knowns". It's good to remember what we have seen so that when new information does come we can be ready to fit it into the bigger picture.

I actually enjoy the banter from both sides and I think there is value in being able to draw one's own conclusions based the input. I would never discourage open discourse when done responsibly. Propping up a feeling with speculation about people's motivations without any basis in fact seems to me to be several degrees from responsible DD.

It would be great if we had more news to dig into but the waiting continues.

...In My humble Opinion

I'm sure you'll have a "humble Opinion" on these, but here's some DD for you. Just delete the spaces in the addresses. They're both s t o c k w a t c h articles.

http://www.s t o c k w a t c h.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=U-s0123599-U:CSHD-20061211&symbol=CSHD &news_region=U

http://www.s t o c k w a t c h.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=U-s0123582-U:CSHD-20061207&symbol=CSHD &news_region=U
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Something weird on the website. If I click on the executives, it doesn't open, but if I open it in a new window, I get all kinds of jibberish at the top. I'm guessing its code for the webpage, but I don't have a clue. Taxback...can you take a look at this and tell me what it is?

Thanks.
 
Posted by betting babe on :
 
web page looks fine now milliam.

i still think theres one last pump to come here.

happy holidays everyone!!!

cyas in the new year [Smile]

~BB
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Babe, have a fun Christmas. and I hope the whole world has peace on my birthday.

And bring on that last pump.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Here's the header stuff...maybe its a secret message from the pyramids [Big Grin] :

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Posted by 6digits on :
 
Egyptian!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Sheesh, this thread is worthless ... when's someone going to shoot it and put it out of its misery?!?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Kevin- we are sorry you are forced to come here and read and post every day. I know it sux.....but you HAVE to do it. No other option...
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
If they offered me stock certificates in this company to wipe my butt with, I think I'd pass. After all, you never know where those certificates have been previously ... maybe down in South America, picking up some strange, rain forest germs or something...

[Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm finished with this thread now, I promise...]

Bump.

... nothing to do with my opinion
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
My problem is with the fact that a clearly NOT "hot stock" continues to be at the top of the forum for "hot stocks." Anyways, this is the last I'm going to post about this worthless stock, until the mods get the guts to move this to the .11+ (or the sub-.10, which it will be very soon) where it belongs. Do your job, mods--I know you're out there!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
it is hot- you can't stay away from it.
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
My problem is with the fact that a clearly NOT "hot stock" continues to be at the top of the forum for "hot stocks." Anyways, this is the last I'm going to post about this worthless stock, until the mods get the guts to move this to the .11+ (or the sub-.10, which it will be very soon) where it belongs. Do your job, mods--I know you're out there!

Geee, thanks Mr. Message Board Policeman....I've been losing sleep over the fact that this thread is still at the top of the Hot Stocks Free for All too! I'm so glad someone had the courage to speak up and let these mods know that it is not a "Hot stock" and that the thread needs to be moved. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
They should move it to "General Investing Topics for Newbies"... aka, how to avoid scams.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
My problem is with the fact that a clearly NOT "hot stock" continues to be at the top of the forum for "hot stocks." Anyways, this is the last I'm going to post about this worthless stock, until the mods get the guts to move this to the .11+ (or the sub-.10, which it will be very soon) where it belongs. Do your job, mods--I know you're out there!

The fact is ...... You said something similar about it being your last post yesterday. When is it your last post ?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
stopped by to see if anyone still posts here....lol ok bye for now.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Repo ..... Sorry about Rutgers. [Smile]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Repo ..... Sorry about Rutgers. [Smile]

Don't be sorry.. .still going to a Bowl Game, and most of their players come back next year.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Repo ..... Sorry about Rutgers. [Smile]

Don't be sorry.. .still going to a Bowl Game, and most of their players come back next year.
Great team ....... Great coach ....
Have a Merry Christmas
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
there goes a trade at .10!! way to go!!! CSHD!!
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
My problem is with the fact that a clearly NOT "hot stock" continues to be at the top of the forum for "hot stocks." Anyways, this is the last I'm going to post about this worthless stock, until the mods get the guts to move this to the .11+ (or the sub-.10, which it will be very soon) where it belongs. Do your job, mods--I know you're out there!
quote:

so true..so true...I think I'll send an email to the person that runs this site and try to get this POS its own category. Here's some potential names for the thread:

Fleeced investors forum

How could I have been so stupid! forum

CSHD. We'll put your dreams to an end.

Loch ness monster, UFO sitings, Bigfoot theories & I think CSHD will verify bonds. forum

Those are just a couple of names I suggest.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
My problem is with the fact that a clearly NOT "hot stock" continues to be at the top of the forum for "hot stocks." Anyways, this is the last I'm going to post about this worthless stock, until the mods get the guts to move this to the .11+ (or the sub-.10, which it will be very soon) where it belongs. Do your job, mods--I know you're out there!

Kevin...File a court case with the SEC. Maybe they will cause the stock to go lower and then do nothing while hundreds of people wait for the SEC response... Just Kidding, sort of. [Roll Eyes]

I know you are anoyed and I do see your point but PLEASE don't jinx it under .10.

Wait, there it goes, from .12 to .15. Can I say "to the moon" now??? [Eek!]
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Repo ..... Sorry about Rutgers. [Smile]

Don't be sorry.. .still going to a Bowl Game, and most of their players come back next year.
Rutgers always was and always will be a bunch of losers. The end.
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
My problem is with the fact that a clearly NOT "hot stock" continues to be at the top of the forum for "hot stocks." Anyways, this is the last I'm going to post about this worthless stock, until the mods get the guts to move this to the .11+ (or the sub-.10, which it will be very soon) where it belongs. Do your job, mods--I know you're out there!

I think your problem is that your more addicted to this stock than the rest of us! [Roll Eyes]

Hey genius...the reason this thread is at the top is because YOU are the #1 contributor! The last 10 pages involve us defending ourselves to you.

Didn't you say that you wouldn't post here anymore? You're like a junkie: "I swear this is my last fix!" [Big Grin]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
My problem is with the fact that a clearly NOT "hot stock" continues to be at the top of the forum for "hot stocks." Anyways, this is the last I'm going to post about this worthless stock, until the mods get the guts to move this to the .11+ (or the sub-.10, which it will be very soon) where it belongs. Do your job, mods--I know you're out there!

lol ur so full of christmas sh~t..
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
It very funny that the people protesting the most about this stock being at the top of the board are the ones posting the most.

They should all get together and start their ownn board where they would be allowed to make sure that the only stocks that can be discussed are they ones they have money in.

If you all would move on there wouldn't be very much to discuss here. If you are trying to save newbies, you are wasting your time. I have seen anyone on this board pumping. In fact it's the opposite just people looking for resolution.

Happy Holidays all
Wally
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Had to pass this post from HSM along, this is a very important WARNING:

Originally Posted by PennyMonger
A "heads up" for any of your friends who may be regular Home Depot customers from one of mine who got scammed!

Here's how the scam works:

Two seriously good-looking 18 or 19-year-old girls come over to your car as you are packing your shopping into the trunk. They both start wiping your windshield with a rag and Windex, with their breasts almost falling out of their skimpy T-shirts. It is impossible not to look.

When you thank them and offer them a tip, they say "No" and instead ask you for a ride to another store. You agree and they get in the back seat. On the way, they start having sex with each other.

Then one of them climbs over into the front seat and starts putting her hands all over you, while the other one steals your wallet.

I had my wallet stolen August 4th, 9th, 10th, twice on the15th, 17th, 20th, three times just yesterday, and very likely again this upcoming weekend as soon as I can buy some more wallets.

Again - please beware!!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
LMAO!!
Good one Cassity.
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
I am going to the mall
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Cassity....

THANK YOU !!! for your kind efforts to warn all who are kind-hearted and optimistic of this TERRIBLE scamming attempt so that we may not fall prey to the harm and affliction that is being prepetrated by such scoundrel scam ARTISTS.

Further, dare I speculate that the good skeptics that have been sounding their alarm bells and warnings (about the scheming penny stock barons that want us as bag holders) would never fall for such lines, hooks and sinkers.

Best laugh [Big Grin] [Cool] I have had all day... Thanks a bunch. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RushDaBus:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Repo ..... Sorry about Rutgers. [Smile]

Don't be sorry.. .still going to a Bowl Game, and most of their players come back next year.
Rutgers always was and always will be a bunch of losers. The end.
Just like you, d-bag!
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Repo:

What is your current thoughts on IEAM? im still looking to get in at the limit order i set, just not willing to chase but i like the little pull back today. This post concerns me however? Any feedback?


Posted by: wadegarret
In reply to: None Date:12/15/2006 4:23:03 PM
Post #of 61259

Got out of IEAM today * $4.65

I just don't trust the guidance, and here's why. When I listened to the CC, not one person asked about the fully diluted share count. It seemed very peculiar as the questioners seemed knowledgeable enough. Anyway, the CEO says they will make $.22 from operations- however we don't know what share count he's using. When I called and questioned him, he said they use the treasury stock method of accounting for fully diluted, and implied that's why they showed no dilution in the SEC docs for the in the money options/warrants. That would mean they would be buying back shares with the proceeds from the options/warrants exercise. However from my understanding of the treasury method now( researcher helped me understand, but I didn't know this until after I talked with the CEO), the company should have taken the difference between the exercise price and the stock price when the financials were done, and used the difference to calculate shares which could not be bought back, and then add that to the fully diluted. Now that's complicated, and is what makes it very hard to believe guidance without the CEO explaining what share count he's using.

Another thing that concerns me is interest expense. I mean they had $1.8M in the Sept qtr. On the conference call, they did say they were paying down debt, but I couldn't make out what they expected the total interest expense to be for the Dec qtr. I mean, if we use the $1.8M as in the Sept qtr, that would wipe out almost all profits from operations ( even if they did make $.22). So that's another big question. In addition to all this, one of their major holders( of over 3M shares) closed out their account a very short time ago. I just feel there are too many questions/concerns, not to mention that the best on our board feel it's a bit scammy looking, so hard for me to fight that as well. The thing that got me was the 175K of insider buys lately, and the share buyback announcement. However, as many pointed out to me, that alone doesn't make things clean. Wade
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Happy M F'in Holidays!


GLTA!
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by RushDaBus:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Repo ..... Sorry about Rutgers. [Smile]

Don't be sorry.. .still going to a Bowl Game, and most of their players come back next year.
Rutgers always was and always will be a bunch of losers. The end.
Just like you, d-bag!
AwwW! Did I strike a nerve? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
If something doesn't happen soon, I am going to begin a Class Action Suite pertaining the CSHD fiasco. I have 3 possible legal representations. The firms of Berger & Monttague, P.C. .... William S. Lerach ...... and Max W. Berger. I think that all of us have been extremely patient with the events that have occurred and that have not occurred. The "false promises" of wait just a little bit longer .... next Monday ..... next week .... beginning of next month ... etc. are becoming very stale. If something promising doesn't happen rather quickly, I believe we must take action. We don't even hear from the SHC. Even Portman is scarce (has anyone heard from him?). We can't even get a report on where we stand or what the progress is with our company. Time, for me; is coming to a short climax. I am running out of patience with all of the non-events that never seem to happen. Any remarks from the "regulars" here that are still LONG would be appreciated. I don't really want to hear from the "I told you so's" that have no stake in CSHD.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Happy M F'in Holidays!


GLTA!

u2 mofo!
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
If something doesn't happen soon, I am going to begin a Class Action Suite pertaining the CSHD fiasco. I have 3 possible legal representations. The firms of Berger & Monttague, P.C. .... William S. Lerach ...... and Max W. Berger. I think that all of us have been extremely patient with the events that have occurred and that have not occurred. The "false promises" of wait just a little bit longer .... next Monday ..... next week .... beginning of next month ... etc. are becoming very stale. If something promising doesn't happen rather quickly, I believe we must take action. We don't even hear from the SHC. Even Portman is scarce (has anyone heard from him?). We can't even get a report on where we stand or what the progress is with our company. Time, for me; is coming to a short climax. I am running out of patience with all of the non-events that never seem to happen. Any remarks from the "regulars" here that are still LONG would be appreciated. I don't really want to hear from the "I told you so's" that have no stake in CSHD.

im willing to testify lol
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
I got news...we all put on our blinders and got scammmmed. Worst trade in my history of trading, I will learn from it. Even with CSHD being 3/5 of my portfolio...I'm still up nicely for the year. [Smile]
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
If something doesn't happen soon, I am going to begin a Class Action Suite pertaining the CSHD fiasco. I have 3 possible legal representations. The firms of Berger & Monttague, P.C. .... William S. Lerach ...... and Max W. Berger. I think that all of us have been extremely patient with the events that have occurred and that have not occurred. The "false promises" of wait just a little bit longer .... next Monday ..... next week .... beginning of next month ... etc. are becoming very stale. If something promising doesn't happen rather quickly, I believe we must take action. We don't even hear from the SHC. Even Portman is scarce (has anyone heard from him?). We can't even get a report on where we stand or what the progress is with our company. Time, for me; is coming to a short climax. I am running out of patience with all of the non-events that never seem to happen. Any remarks from the "regulars" here that are still LONG would be appreciated. I don't really want to hear from the "I told you so's" that have no stake in CSHD.

What's up DOC? My feelings are the same, but I have been assured by those in the "know boat" that things are progressing, but it will take awhile. Unfrotunetly, I was a dumb--- and broke about every rule of trading possible on this. I have been forced to sell about 1/2 of my position, so that I don't have to pay taxes on money I don't have. I'm trying to stay patient and will wait things out for awhile longer. Still long and strong my friend. I hope for the best for all of us. GLTY
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Harris said things on SPR that were recorded and need to go on record, like negotiating with MMs to trade, having a fund to buy back all the shares, etc,. I haven't seen it in writing but it was recorded. Not to mention that he swore on his families grave that the bonds are real, but he didn't bother to mention that he can't prove it. Which to me was the last thrust of the dagger. If he could prove the bonds wouldn't this bull be over.
Than theres the 6:1 six horse heads in the bed to every one running free in the stable. These guys all have developed a mentality that says we aren't important as far as i'm concerned. the scoundrels over at HSM should shut up. Old lady Harris is as bad as her son.



quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
If something doesn't happen soon, I am going to begin a Class Action Suite pertaining the CSHD fiasco. I have 3 possible legal representations. The firms of Berger & Monttague, P.C. .... William S. Lerach ...... and Max W. Berger. I think that all of us have been extremely patient with the events that have occurred and that have not occurred. The "false promises" of wait just a little bit longer .... next Monday ..... next week .... beginning of next month ... etc. are becoming very stale. If something promising doesn't happen rather quickly, I believe we must take action. We don't even hear from the SHC. Even Portman is scarce (has anyone heard from him?). We can't even get a report on where we stand or what the progress is with our company. Time, for me; is coming to a short climax. I am running out of patience with all of the non-events that never seem to happen. Any remarks from the "regulars" here that are still LONG would be appreciated. I don't really want to hear from the "I told you so's" that have no stake in CSHD.

im willing to testify lol

 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Last trading day before christmas comin up.

MERRY CHRISTMAS ALL!

May your investments, or risks, treat you nicely today.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Thanks for your replies everyone. Lets hope.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Merry Christmas Everyone

(May our stockings be stuffed with CSHD certs).

[Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
thdoctor ~ FWIW I am still not too worried about this play. Everyday the SEC strings this out without throwing additional company closing punches. I have to believe we are still in the game.

If the SEC allegations end up false or unproven, then we just had the mother of all "dips" on "NO news". Which means the rebound is gonna be incredible.

Tex, mentioned due process was in order to shut the lights off, that the SEC doesn't just blurt out recievership. I somewhat disagree... personally I think the SEC can fast track their due Process to the point it looks like they just blurt out recievership. But... in either case everyday we don't see signs of this "due process" is another day John and Rufus have to set the record straight.

Now as I have said I am not in over my head in this, I am comfortable win or lose on this, but I still don't see the lose at this point. (FWIW I don't see the win either.)

I am more confident now on Dec 22nd than I was on Oct 25th with this stock. The SEC is usually the "Kiss O' Death" (KOD) and for some reason our heros are still alive. IMO I blame this partly on the SEC and their appearantly unprepared case. They IMO and from my perspective seem to have jumped the gun, and are unwilling to admit it. Hopefully both sides can negotiate a truce and we can get on with our business plan.

I want CSHD to make me some serious money in 2007, and I wish all even the SEC a happy Holidays. Heck without them I would have never of had the opportunity to buy CSHD at these levels.

GLTA! [Cool]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Well said Tax!

I agree about the time frame. Everyday we survive with no news is a good thing as no news is good news. We all want to hear something official but we want the truth most of all and if it takes 1 more day, week, month, so be it!
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
I've been thinking about this a little lately...that maybe this was the plan all along, to go into receivership(with nothing real to take away), but the SEC in all their incompetent/crooked/shortsited glory screwed up the plan...

Now, this of course is just one more CRAZY THEORY that really has no base in reality...just something I thought could have been/is a possibility.

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I am more confident now on Dec 22nd than I was on Oct 25th with this stock. The SEC is usually the "Kiss O' Death" (KOD) and for some reason our heros are still alive. IMO I blame this partly on the SEC and their appearantly unprepared case. They IMO and from my perspective seem to have jumped the gun, and are unwilling to admit it. Hopefully both sides can negotiate a truce and we can get on with our business plan.
GLTA! [Cool]


 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I've been thinking about this a little lately...that maybe this was the plan all along, to go into receivership(with nothing real to take away), but the SEC in all their incompetent/crooked/shortsited glory screwed up the plan...

Now, this of course is just one more CRAZY THEORY that really has no base in reality...just something I thought could have been/is a possibility.

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I am more confident now on Dec 22nd than I was on Oct 25th with this stock. The SEC is usually the "Kiss O' Death" (KOD) and for some reason our heros are still alive. IMO I blame this partly on the SEC and their appearantly unprepared case. They IMO and from my perspective seem to have jumped the gun, and are unwilling to admit it. Hopefully both sides can negotiate a truce and we can get on with our business plan.
GLTA! [Cool]


CEO: wow our stock hit 4 bucks!!! hey, I`ve got a plan, lets issue a bunch of absurd PR`s that way the SEC can shut us down and we can all go on vacation!!! who cares if they take the company! we dont own anything anyway!! then we can come back, cook up a new set of books and start a new scam for next year!!! WOW great plan!!!
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
I've been thinking about this a little lately...that maybe this was the plan all along, to go into receivership(with nothing real to take away), but the SEC in all their incompetent/crooked/shortsited glory screwed up the plan...

Now, this of course is just one more CRAZY THEORY that really has no base in reality...just something I thought could have been/is a possibility.

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I am more confident now on Dec 22nd than I was on Oct 25th with this stock. The SEC is usually the "Kiss O' Death" (KOD) and for some reason our heros are still alive. IMO I blame this partly on the SEC and their appearantly unprepared case. They IMO and from my perspective seem to have jumped the gun, and are unwilling to admit it. Hopefully both sides can negotiate a truce and we can get on with our business plan.
GLTA! [Cool]


i dont think so
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
has anyone ever found out how many people are on the share holders comittee? i wonder how many shares they hold in total?. since they all appearently signed nondisclosure agreements and would therefor be considered insiders those shares would be locked up!, as insiders they are barred from selling are they not? if they sell on info that is not public then they are violating insider trading rules?. this is one of the reasons i never considered joining.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
If something doesn't happen soon, I am going to begin a Class Action Suite pertaining the CSHD fiasco. I have 3 possible legal representations. The firms of Berger & Monttague, P.C. .... William S. Lerach ...... and Max W. Berger. I think that all of us have been extremely patient with the events that have occurred and that have not occurred. The "false promises" of wait just a little bit longer .... next Monday ..... next week .... beginning of next month ... etc. are becoming very stale. If something promising doesn't happen rather quickly, I believe we must take action. We don't even hear from the SHC. Even Portman is scarce (has anyone heard from him?). We can't even get a report on where we stand or what the progress is with our company. Time, for me; is coming to a short climax. I am running out of patience with all of the non-events that never seem to happen. Any remarks from the "regulars" here that are still LONG would be appreciated. I don't really want to hear from the "I told you so's" that have no stake in CSHD.


 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
If something doesn't happen soon, I am going to begin a Class Action Suite pertaining the CSHD fiasco. I have 3 possible legal representations. The firms of Berger & Monttague, P.C. .... William S. Lerach ...... and Max W. Berger. I think that all of us have been extremely patient with the events that have occurred and that have not occurred. The "false promises" of wait just a little bit longer .... next Monday ..... next week .... beginning of next month ... etc. are becoming very stale. If something promising doesn't happen rather quickly, I believe we must take action. We don't even hear from the SHC. Even Portman is scarce (has anyone heard from him?). We can't even get a report on where we stand or what the progress is with our company. Time, for me; is coming to a short climax. I am running out of patience with all of the non-events that never seem to happen. Any remarks from the "regulars" here that are still LONG would be appreciated. I don't really want to hear from the "I told you so's" that have no stake in CSHD.


Sorry about double post! The first one was lost, having computor problems{or its the user}

Doc, I am out of patience also.
#1, Is there still a company?
#2 Is there a SHC?
#3 Who is making money off of this everyday?

Please don't respond to this if it's someone telling me 'your not used to regular companies and their ceo's'
This is not a regular company IMO and may not ever will be.
Sorry I just can't drink anymore koolade.
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
I've been long since it was .19 and FHAL. I think we need to treat this company just like any other "normal" company as far as operations and PR.

Let's face it, we were spoiled by the 11PM PRs and Rufus being interviewed on SPR every other night. It was like a soap opera and we were going to get rich from it! Then, the SEC stepped in and shut off the tap. Now, we go a week without a PR and start freaking out!

We won't hear anything until the issue is resolved with the SEC, and it's on their schedule, not ours. Once that is resolved, look for things to happen quickly. Until then, I don't care if we drop all the way to the bottom of the thread or even get it moved to another area; I'm just looking for news of a settlement.

Until then:

 -
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
Hey Kevin, thanks for bumping us back up to the top of the HOT STOCKS! WOO HOO!

<junkie>

LOL!!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
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Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Thanks Kevin..

Happy Holidays
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
Happy Holidays everyone!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
http://www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com/

did their upgrades appearantly... SSL? Why is this taking so long for them. It only takes an hour to set-up?

Oh well...
 
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
 
Merry Christmas to everyone!!! Unless you're Jehovah’s Witnesses, to you, "Have a great next few days too!!"
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Thanks everyone for your responses. You all have some very interesting opinions. I am long and will continue to be long for the time being. I am considering using one of the three firms that I mentioned earlier if nothing changes. I refuse to allow the people responsible for this "possible fraud" get away with it if it is indeed a fraud. I will wait a little bit longer to see if anything comes out of this ridiculous movie. I would like at this time to wish all of you a "Happy Holiday" and a very "Merry Christmas" (even Kevin). Lets cross our fingers and hope that somehow our company survives and prospers.
 
Posted by fuzzcloud on :
 
quote:

Until then:

 -

LOL... I think it's OK to celebrate the winter solstice, which was yesterday, as your "secular winter holiday"... ROFL
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Doc - if anything, I hope you sue the pants off these suckers and get enough money to buy 3 HOUSES.

The crooks must be stopped. "The fleecing of the sheep" must end.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Doc, I am still lurking, but I sold the majority of mine about a week ago. I believed in this company too much, and it cost me some money - not as much in $ as some, but it was worth more to me. I've been watching, as I said, and hoping for a comeback - there was too much good DD done, and if this is, in fact, a scam, I am interested in more information about a suit....

IMHO, it could stay on the greys until they get their act together, and that could take months, and I would still be supportive - but I was promised 6:1 shares because I owned on the 16th of October, and they were supposed to be delivered on or about October 30th. Until that guarantee (which was in writing) is fulfilled, I am just lurking...

Hope you and yours have a terrific holiday! Your baby and I have grown to be good friends, so thanks for bringing her into the world....
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Happy Holidays everyone!


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Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Merry Christmas everyone. Doc, if it turns bad for everyone I'll be hiring a lawyer as well. Not That I think we will get anything from it.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Doc - if anything, I hope you sue the pants off these suckers and get enough money to buy 3 HOUSES.

The crooks must be stopped. "The fleecing of the sheep" must end.

Repo .... I promise you .... If this is the way it looks ..... I will become their worst nightmare. Merry Christmas my friend.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Doc, I am still lurking, but I sold the majority of mine about a week ago. I believed in this company too much, and it cost me some money - not as much in $ as some, but it was worth more to me. I've been watching, as I said, and hoping for a comeback - there was too much good DD done, and if this is, in fact, a scam, I am interested in more information about a suit....

IMHO, it could stay on the greys until they get their act together, and that could take months, and I would still be supportive - but I was promised 6:1 shares because I owned on the 16th of October, and they were supposed to be delivered on or about October 30th. Until that guarantee (which was in writing) is fulfilled, I am just lurking...

Hope you and yours have a terrific holiday! Your baby and I have grown to be good friends, so thanks for bringing her into the world....

Thank you so much Sherri ... Merry Christmas to you also.
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
If something doesn't happen soon, I am going to begin a Class Action Suite pertaining the CSHD fiasco. I have 3 possible legal representations. The firms of Berger & Monttague, P.C. .... William S. Lerach ...... and Max W. Berger. I think that all of us have been extremely patient with the events that have occurred and that have not occurred. The "false promises" of wait just a little bit longer .... next Monday ..... next week .... beginning of next month ... etc. are becoming very stale. If something promising doesn't happen rather quickly, I believe we must take action. We don't even hear from the SHC. Even Portman is scarce (has anyone heard from him?). We can't even get a report on where we stand or what the progress is with our company. Time, for me; is coming to a short climax. I am running out of patience with all of the non-events that never seem to happen. Any remarks from the "regulars" here that are still LONG would be appreciated. I don't really want to hear from the "I told you so's" that have no stake in CSHD.
quote:

Sounds great! Where do I sign.

I'm a realist and at this point I know this stock is going nowhere. Even if the SEC screwed up (which I doubt) they will never admit their wrong. The company has nothing. They've had 3 months and all they've produced is hot air.

We'll never get our money back and I've accepted that already, but it would make me happy to see the Govt. seize all Rufas' assets and throw him in the slammer for the next 20 years as a conselation prize.
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Is anyone selling before the 31st so that they can claim a loss?
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Is anyone selling before the 31st so that they can claim a loss?

I am thinking about it...the only thing that is preventing me from selling right now is the fact that CEO John Arlitt has a lot of stock in CSHD and he will work hard to get his money back, IMO.

I might be right, but I might be a fool as well.
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Well I will be paying taxes on my FHAL gain. I would hate to hold CSHD for no reason and end up paying way too much for taxes, but then again who knows if this could run again. I am between the proverbial rock and hard place.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Is anyone selling before the 31st so that they can claim a loss?

I think the only sticking point from selling and milking the loss would be the 30day wait involved with getting back into the exact stock you sold at a loss EOY. If pigs fly and this thing rebounds you will be stuck watching from the sidelines.
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Is anyone selling before the 31st so that they can claim a loss?

I think the only sticking point from selling and milking the loss would be the 30day wait involved with getting back into the exact stock you sold at a loss EOY. If pigs fly and this thing rebounds you will be stuck watching from the sidelines.
or you just get back in and lose your write-off
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
I have yet to, in my 35 years, see a pig fly.

Oh I wish they would.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
lol doni! I have seen pigs fly- did you catch the Redksins beating the Saints last weekend?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
PM Tax
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Well I guess you're right Frank. I saw pigs fly a few times:

In 1980 when the US Hockey team beat The USSR.
In 2004 when the Red Sox won the Championship.
In 2002 when the Patriots won their first Superbowl.

And in late 2006 when CSHD went to $15 a share after paying a share dividend of 6 for 1...... Oh wait, that hasn't happened yet.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
back at you frank... [Cool]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I see the mods are busy deleting posts today, where were they weeks ago?

Let's see if this part stays

Happy Holidays to everyone!!!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I am more the stubborn type. It hurts me sometimes but in this case I will hold until it is .000001 now if it gets to .0000001 I will sell. LOL


Merry Christmas everyone!!

May your 2007 be prosperous too!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
I have yet to, in my 35 years, see a pig fly.

Oh I wish they would.

 -

Keep the faith...I believe in Santa! [Wink]

Merry Christmas Everyone!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I see the mods are busy deleting posts today, where were they weeks ago?

Let's see if this part stays

Happy Holidays to everyone!!!!

Now, if I could JUST shame them into moving this to a more appropriate board, as they DEFINITELY should...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
ur back- what a suprise
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
Oh, come on peeps buck up...we don't want this guy chasing us now do we?

 -
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Never mind-

PM Tax
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Kevin, I hope Santa Claus Pees in your Chimney. If you hate this board so much then please go away. What the hell does it matter where the board is. If they put it on a Compaq 100 running Dos in Siberia I'm sure you would still find a way to get logged on and insult anyone who is still posting. Get a life.
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
No, not really. I've stated numerous times that my only real problem with this stock now is that it clutters up the HOT Stocks forum, when it's clearly not a HOT (read: stock that is either running or at least has a decent possibility of rnning). If they moved this discussion to a different forum, you'd never see me again in this thread...
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Kevin may hate where the thread is but he is like the rest of us...

Can't stay away.

Remember when everyone was waiting for PR's and announcements that would come out at any time and post them to the board within minutes of their release to the public. Remember when vague info came out and many of us went nuts trying to sniff out the facts and DD them to death.

You never know, news can come out at ANY time and send all of scurrying in different directions frantically.

CSHD is like CRACK...More more more.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
We don't believe you Kevin- even if they moved this to the "titanic POS" thread. You would not go away.....

It's more fun and entertaining in my opinion. Please post away.....
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
Nope. That's all I'm asking: please stop allowing known PoS's to be discussed in the "Hot Stocks" forum.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
No, not really. I've stated numerous times that my only real problem with this stock now is that it clutters up the HOT Stocks forum, when it's clearly not a HOT (read: stock that is either running or at least has a decent possibility of rnning). If they moved this discussion to a different forum, you'd never see me again in this thread...

dude u said yesturday you wouldnt post here again!!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
I lied. Actually, I just decided to make one last (probably futile) attempt to get this PoS thread moved to a more appropriate forum...
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
I lied. Actually, I just decided to make one last (probably futile) attempt to get this PoS thread moved to a more appropriate forum...

dude you must be one of the worst bashers lol u are so corny "this stock is not hot and doesnt belong here" lmaoooooo

ur right this at th emoment isnt a hot stock...but it was and still might be hot again once SEC war finishes. but ur right it doensnt belong here, it belongs in .11 and up (technically)

anyway dude you are really transparent on this board, and in all honestly and no offense, you look very foolish posting here what u do...merry xmas
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
just called for case information and lady told me last thing on the docket was the motion for default...in november...any thoughts?
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
You're calling someone "foolish"? That has to be one of the more ironic posts in the history of AS ...

I think it's been well-established that I'm not a basher. I think many here might think I'm a jerk or worse, but to be a "basher" you probably should have some financial interest in the stock. I do not.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Top of the thread again... WooHoo thanks kevin this stock is HOT!
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
 - ...so I can cash in when CSHD hits!
 
Posted by RushDaBus on :
 
 - ...Kevin "Scrooge" Bailey just reported me.

Happy Holidays Everyone!
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Merry Christmas to all.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Merry Christmas to All of you!!!

I couldn't have picked a better group to be in this stock with....love you all...

I believe in Karma - let's be really good & maybe we will get something good in return.....

Happy Holidays to all the "lurkers" too!!!

Sherri- you were my first "friend" on here & I know now that you can read those charts you're going to make a killing in 2007!!!

Sherri, Chart, New2, RushtheBus, frank, St. Matt, Doniboy, Surf, 10 , Cassity, Mr. Catiaengineer, Oceque, Stocktrader2006, Taxback, Portman, Glassman, trade04, Vin, TexasMoney, bigstocks, 6digits, humble, Pcola, driver4t4, dinner42, stocktrader22, 66inxs, Moneyx3, 3403, crab, milliam, MTPromises, brooklyn, Spooky, Richby26, Ryan, Repo, Nel, luvforever, madmoney, fhalyesss, imapoorcollegestudent, Jo4321, Jhenry, Bilgert, source, Wallymac, dog, Bo Gusman, wv1973, thecon, betting babe, & of course thedoctor......

I enjoy all of your posts - so keep posting ....& I'd like to wish you happy holidays & a prosperous New Year!!! For the people who I have shared PM's with - (you know who you are) thanks for being my "buddies"....

Love,
Jenna [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I want to wish everyone here the Hapiest of Holidays and the hope that the comming year will be profitable for all of us.


GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
The SHC website has new things on it. Most of it isn't finished, but it's a work in progress anyhow.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Jenna,
You are the sweetest person .
It has been great meeting so many new "friends" on here.

Happy Holiday's

Good night to all and to all a good night!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Twilight Zone~

Ok here is the website associated with the false C&D letter.

HSWORLDFOUNDATION.COM

The phone number below was verified as a phony- it was some cell phone that some GF of the owner answered or something....either way-verified POS.

This domain for the alleged phony C&D letter- was created on 26-Aug-2006. It has an email contact for adminstration at "bayoutech.com"

If you dig into bayoutech.com you then notice that the admin contacts email address is info*allianceassetmanagement.org.

If you get the domain information for allianceassetmanagement.org you end up with Canady Holdings, Inc. You also notice there is no allianceassetmanagement.org website.

Now next you ask yourself- What do all of these websites have in common?

They all share the same destination IP address. Often web hosting providers use the same IP address for multiple websites hosted on the same server. This is how you have 100's of websites being hosted on one server (Single IP address).

They utilize HTTP headers to direct the incoming HTTP requests to the appropriate customers HTTP service.

Why do all of these websites resolve to the SAME IP address?

Did a bunch of bashers happen to pick the exact same web hosting provider as the company? Or if this thing more complex than we think?????


All of the below mentioned sites are hosted at:

OrgName: InQuent Technologies Inc.
OrgID: INQT
Address: 150 York St, Suite 1900
City: Toronto
StateProv: ON
PostalCode: M5H-3S5
Country: CA

NetRange: 205.178.128.0 - 205.178.191.255
CIDR: 205.178.128.0/18


[DNS Records for below websites]

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.cvsu.us
Address: 205.178.189.131

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.allianceassetmanagement.org
Address: 205.178.189.131


Non-authoritative answer:
Name: HSWORLDFOUNDATION.COM
Address: 205.178.189.131


Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.bayoutech.com
Address: 205.178.189.131

Domain Name: HSWORLDFOUNDATION.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Canady Holdings, Inc. scanady*bayoutech.com
1170 Peachtree Street Suite 1200
Atlanta, GA 30309
US
404-962-4416 fax: 404-759-2298

Domain Name: BAYOUTECH.COM

Administrative Contact :
Bayou Technologies, Inc.
info*allianceassetmanagement.org
35 Technology Pwky South Suite 170
Norcross, GA 30092
US
Phone: 770-613-5399

Domain Name: ALLIANCEASSETMANAGEMENT.ORG

Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :
Canady Holdings, Inc.
info*allianceassetmanagement.org
1170 Peachtree Street Suite 1200
Atlanta, GA 30309
US
Phone: 404-962-4416
Fax: 404-759-2298
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Does anyone have any DD saved- perhaps the IP address of the www.cvsu.us website before Oct06?
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Theres only two reasons why this stock is hot:

#1 You drop hot things.

#2 My real time ticker has been burning red for awhile.

[Smile]

Ive wondered too why its still in hotstocks.. the flame went out awhile back.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Happy holidays to you guys.
Sherri, Chart, New2, RushtheBus, frank, St. Matt, Doniboy, Surf, 10 , Cassity, Mr. Catiaengineer, Oceque, Stocktrader2006, Taxback, Portman, Glassman, trade04, Vin, TexasMoney, bigstocks, 6digits, humble, Pcola, driver4t4, dinner42, stocktrader22, 66inxs, Moneyx3, 3403, crab, milliam, MTPromises, brooklyn, Spooky, Richby26, Ryan, Repo, Nel, luvforever, madmoney, fhalyesss, imapoorcollegestudent, Jo4321, Jhenry, Bilgert, source, Wallymac, dog, Bo Gusman, wv1973, thecon, betting babe, & of course thedoctor......
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Twilight Zone~

Ok here is the website associated with the false C&D letter.

HSWORLDFOUNDATION.COM

The phone number below was verified as a phony- it was some cell phone that some GF of the owner answered or something....either way-verified POS.

This domain for the alleged phony C&D letter- was created on 26-Aug-2006. It has an email contact for adminstration at "bayoutech.com"

If you dig into bayoutech.com you then notice that the admin contacts email address is info*allianceassetmanagement.org.

If you get the domain information for allianceassetmanagement.org you end up with Canady Holdings, Inc. You also notice there is no allianceassetmanagement.org website.

Now next you ask yourself- What do all of these websites have in common?

They all share the same destination IP address. Often web hosting providers use the same IP address for multiple websites hosted on the same server. This is how you have 100's of websites being hosted on one server (Single IP address).

They utilize HTTP headers to direct the incoming HTTP requests to the appropriate customers HTTP service.

Why do all of these websites resolve to the SAME IP address?

Did a bunch of bashers happen to pick the exact same web hosting provider as the company? Or if this thing more complex than we think?????


All of the below mentioned sites are hosted at:

OrgName: InQuent Technologies Inc.
OrgID: INQT
Address: 150 York St, Suite 1900
City: Toronto
StateProv: ON
PostalCode: M5H-3S5
Country: CA

NetRange: 205.178.128.0 - 205.178.191.255
CIDR: 205.178.128.0/18


[DNS Records for below websites]

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.cvsu.us
Address: 205.178.189.131

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.allianceassetmanagement.org
Address: 205.178.189.131


Non-authoritative answer:
Name: HSWORLDFOUNDATION.COM
Address: 205.178.189.131


Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.bayoutech.com
Address: 205.178.189.131

Domain Name: HSWORLDFOUNDATION.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Canady Holdings, Inc. scanady*bayoutech.com
1170 Peachtree Street Suite 1200
Atlanta, GA 30309
US
404-962-4416 fax: 404-759-2298

Domain Name: BAYOUTECH.COM

Administrative Contact :
Bayou Technologies, Inc.
info*allianceassetmanagement.org
35 Technology Pwky South Suite 170
Norcross, GA 30092
US
Phone: 770-613-5399

Domain Name: ALLIANCEASSETMANAGEMENT.ORG

Administrative Contact , Technical Contact :
Canady Holdings, Inc.
info*allianceassetmanagement.org
1170 Peachtree Street Suite 1200
Atlanta, GA 30309
US
Phone: 404-962-4416
Fax: 404-759-2298

Just so you know, on one of the SubPennyRadio interviews or talks, Rufus made mention of the fact that Stephen Canaday, who was associated with The Humanitarian Foundation was attempting to derail CSHD through insider info. He also mention that in doing their due diligence that they found the original owner of the bonds. THe original owner had given the bonds to a Nonprofit organization in Asia and had no idea what was happening with them. I got the impression that Rufus(CSHD) had spoken with the original owner who was trying to cut out the middle man(Canaday). He was none to happy and did in fact attempt to invoke the C&D. Problem was that he couldn't.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. In fact, IMO, we will never know. Just some food for thought.

Frank. Merry Christmas.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
Theres only two reasons why this stock is hot:

#1 You drop hot things.

#2 My real time ticker has been burning red for awhile.

[Smile]

Ive wondered too why its still in hotstocks.. the flame went out awhile back.

Because those bashing won't let it lie until they can bury it and I have to wonder why. I have been ready to sell a few times but the fact that they remain and are not happy that it has been relegated to the Grey sheet and continue to protest so much, gives me hope.

If not for them, I would have sold and it would not be a hot topic anymore. I wonder what thier IQ really is.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Peeking ;;; Hmmm Guess it is safe to come in! LOL Doesn't look too bad here! LOL
Just stopped in to wish everyone a very Merry Christmas and hope everyone is surrounded by love from family and friends and stay safe during this wonderful time that we celebrate. Also remember those who are away from home, may God bless all! Also, I hope all the little ones have excitement on their faces when they see Santa left them with gifts! Smile... life is good,even if cshd isn't at the moment...maybe Christmas will perk it up!!!!! Go cshd......
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I think the old IP address for www.cvsu.us was 64.69.220.144

if anyone knows or has saved that information in your notes can you PM it to me or post it?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Frank ~ good DD but a bit mis-directed. If you notice the DNS for all the sites are the same WorldNIC... These are Network Solutions DNS Servers. One of the largest Registars on the Internet, and there fore one of the largest generic discount hosting companys on the Internet. Definitely the largest domestic registrar. I myself have three websites that defaulted to WorldNIC DNS server before I moved them to my hosting company...

This is just an indication that all sites are hosted by Network Solutions.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
If you do an nslookup on all of the above mentioned sites they all point to the same IP address.

CVSU.US and some of the others have material on the website. Therefore its a hosting provider correct?

not to mention....its the same provider. That IP address is a hosting provider called inquent
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Cancel- they own the larger block of IP's. Still interesting that all of the websites in the circle of that fake C&D letter happen to circle back to the SAME virtual web server/IP address.

Not to mention- our companys website. Which I believe used to be hosted at websitepros. Not this current provider.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Cancel- they own the larger block of IP's. Still interesting that all of the websites in the circle of that fake C&D letter happen to circle back to the SAME virtual web server/IP address.

Not to mention- our companys website. Which I believe used to be hosted at websitepros. Not this current provider.

Frank, I don't think the C&D was fake. I do believe it was an attempt by Canaday & Co to stop Rufus from finding out the true ownership of the bonds. I beleive that Rufus even stated that the C&D was real but could not be enforced. Remember Irrecovable Trust? Also the fact that Humanitarian didn't own the bond just the rights to hypothacate it and relinquished those rights to CSHD.

Now don't get me wrong here. I'm not saying that CSHD has everything that they believe they do. Only stating that there is more than meets the eye. We will only know when those in the "KNOW BOAT" want us to. Up unto that time we will be in the dark. Are you a part of the SHC? Too many different interests are involved here.

Forget about it until after the Holiday, enjoy your family and friends. Nothing will be disclosed, IMO, until after New Year.

Celebrate until then.

Happy Holidays
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
It is Network Solutions... trust me on this one. (12 years Internet dev. Expierience)

*****
CVSU.US


205.178.189.131
Record Type: IP Address


InQuent Technologies Inc. INQUENT-2 (NET-205-178-128-0-1)
205.178.128.0 - 205.178.191.255
Network Solutions, LLC NTSL-02 (NET-205-178-184-0-1)
205.178.184.0 - 205.178.191.255
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Thanks Jenna, Have a good holiday and many good stocks.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Yes i saw that Tax- the point I found odd was this:

I have had websites registered and using the common hosting provider. They give me the IP address and space to load the html.

The IP address I was always given was shared amongst other Web customer. We each had our own separate websites on a common shared server but we all shared the same IP address (None of us were connected in any way).

What I was alluding to was that we have multiple active web pages by the same provider sharing the same IP address.

The CVSU website as well as others are all active content web pages. So its not just the generic "under construction" address.

Just odd coincidence?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Not a coincidence this is the IP address of the registrar not the site itself. It is usually masked by the DNS Server. A majority of my sites for me and clients of mine have the same IP Address. Because I went through the same registrar in setting up the URL for them.

Oh yeah and I would not have taken on shareholder registration on a website without SSL which can be set up in a matter of minutes. So why they waited this long I do not know.

Also someone on HSM alluded to a server upgrade costing approximately $50K dollars. Sure if you are buying a new large scale server... but I have had a server upgrade about once a month through my shared hosting of multiple sites, and I can guarantee you I am not paying a dime for them, so becareful of the experts you listen too. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yes and thanks for the well wishes 6 and Jenna... I wish all a wonderful Holiday weekend too.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I will say the updates to the SCH website are encouraging... [Big Grin] Way to go Portman.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Kev ~ you want some cheese with that whine? HAHA!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Sounds like a "conspiracy"... We LIKE those type of theories HERE. Welcome!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Don't regard my silence as anything more than me spending some quality time with my family. It's too close to Christmas, and to be frank the location of this thread is of little importance to me at this time.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Good night everyone ..... PEACE and HAPPINESS TO ALL.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I will say the updates to the SCH website are encouraging... [Big Grin] Way to go Portman.

r u serious??? i just read it... and....in all honesty, it is a pos. after speaking to the clerk for conversion/ rufus's case there is nothing on the docket except the motion of default against rufus....ok we got rid of rufus, but we still have the sec on our azz...merry friggin xmas everyone ill be leaving on a ski (i board) trip to davis west va. and forget about this pos!!! heres hoping to a happy new year too!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Good night everyone ..... PEACE and HAPPINESS TO ALL.

ditto! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
To all, have a wonderful CHRISTmas! [Smile]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Merry Christmas to all!!!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:

Just so you know, on one of the SubPennyRadio interviews or talks, Rufus made mention of the fact that Stephen Canaday, who was associated with The Humanitarian Foundation was attempting to derail CSHD through insider info. He also mention that in doing their due diligence that they found the original owner of the bonds. THe original owner had given the bonds to a Nonprofit organization in Asia and had no idea what was happening with them. I got the impression that Rufus(CSHD) had spoken with the original owner who was trying to cut out the middle man(Canaday). He was none to happy and did in fact attempt to invoke the C&D. Problem was that he couldn't.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. In fact, IMO, we will never know. Just some food for thought.

Frank. Merry Christmas.

GLTA
Wally
[/QUOTE]

I thought he had said on an SPR interview that once he saw the letter (It was faxed) that he immediately called Candady and asked about it. Because he found it completely odd that he saw it come in electronic....

I can go back to the SPR notes from back then and see what interview it was that he mentioned the efax thing. Let you know what I find.

Merry christmas to everyone!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Tax- I moved our geeky discussion about DNS over to PM. Save some space on Kevins favorite hot stock board for him to post.

Merry Christmas [Wink]


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Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:

Just so you know, on one of the SubPennyRadio interviews or talks, Rufus made mention of the fact that Stephen Canaday, who was associated with The Humanitarian Foundation was attempting to derail CSHD through insider info. He also mention that in doing their due diligence that they found the original owner of the bonds. THe original owner had given the bonds to a Nonprofit organization in Asia and had no idea what was happening with them. I got the impression that Rufus(CSHD) had spoken with the original owner who was trying to cut out the middle man(Canaday). He was none to happy and did in fact attempt to invoke the C&D. Problem was that he couldn't.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. In fact, IMO, we will never know. Just some food for thought.

Frank. Merry Christmas.

GLTA
Wally

I thought he had said on an SPR interview that once he saw the letter (It was faxed) that he immediately called Candady and asked about it. Because he found it completely odd that he saw it come in electronic....

I can go back to the SPR notes from back then and see what interview it was that he mentioned the efax thing. Let you know what I find.

Merry christmas to everyone!
[/QUOTE]

I'm talking about a later interview. I remember when it first happened Rufus mentioning the fax thing. It was much later on, I believe after the SEC suspension and prior to his being replaced that Rufus had one of the all night type SPR talks. It was during that interview that he talked about the bonds from Canaday and well taking questions even went so far as to state directly to Canaday that he was (Canaday) releasing insider info by the question. It was then that he went into detail about the origin of the bonds and how they had contacted the owner.

Happy Holidays
Wally
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
has anyone else noticed that all the SEC and financial filings for CSHD have disappeared? I just went to pinksheets.com and there all gone, strange...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RichBy26:
has anyone else noticed that all the SEC and financial filings for CSHD have disappeared? I just went to pinksheets.com and there all gone, strange...

Try this, they are still beign filed under Furia


http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/filings_by_name.jsp?symbol=furia
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
thanks wally! enjoy your holiday!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Damn, not even a holiday greeting from the company, not even a small jest of what a great year we're going to have. We already bought the crap out of it, must not be much more to say now.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Damn, not even a holiday greeting from the company, not even a small jest of what a great year we're going to have. We already bought the crap out of it, must not be much more to say now.

LOL...i would take this as a tax loss, but I know next year I'm going to make plenty of gains and will just carry forward, in case some miracle happens here. I think we see subpenny before we see .50 again though
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Happy Holidays everyone!!!

Have fun and be safe......
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all the good folks on Allstocks ! [Smile] [Big Grin] [Smile]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I doesn't matter the outcome as long as we all get back up and finish the race..

http://www.The-Race-Movie.com

This heart felt clip is how I perceive CSHD.

So what we have fallen a few times.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
DA DA Ta THe race movie. Thats what i'll do i i'll get up with cshd and run again. Wooooooohoooooooo!!!!!!
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
I doesn't matter the outcome as long as we all get back up and finish the race..

http://www.The-Race-Movie.com

This heart felt clip is how I perceive CSHD.

So what we have fallen a few times.

MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!!!!!!

lol... how touching. =) merry christmas btihces!!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
nice~ merry christmas trade [Razz]
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Love you all and wish you a Merry Christmas! Good Night - gotta get to bed so Santa can come.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I just wanted to hop on to wish all of you the best during the holiday season. I have really enjoyed the relationship over the last several months.

It has not been easy, but we have made it up to this point. How we got to this point, I don't exactly know. But, I do feel as if the next couple of weeks / months will bring us everything that we have been waiting for. I feel pretty darn good about this. Keep you chin up, work together, and think positive...you will be glad you did when it's all said and done.

I am on vacation, so I'm trying to take a break from the threads. I need to re-discover my family for a couple of weeks.

Happy Holidays to you and yours!

Matthew
 
Posted by atthebank on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:

Just so you know, on one of the SubPennyRadio interviews or talks, Rufus made mention of the fact that Stephen Canaday, who was associated with The Humanitarian Foundation was attempting to derail CSHD through insider info. He also mention that in doing their due diligence that they found the original owner of the bonds. THe original owner had given the bonds to a Nonprofit organization in Asia and had no idea what was happening with them. I got the impression that Rufus(CSHD) had spoken with the original owner who was trying to cut out the middle man(Canaday). He was none to happy and did in fact attempt to invoke the C&D. Problem was that he couldn't.

There is a lot going on behind the scenes that we are not aware of. In fact, IMO, we will never know. Just some food for thought.

Frank. Merry Christmas.

GLTA
Wally

I thought he had said on an SPR interview that once he saw the letter (It was faxed) that he immediately called Candady and asked about it. Because he found it completely odd that he saw it come in electronic....

I can go back to the SPR notes from back then and see what interview it was that he mentioned the efax thing. Let you know what I find.

Merry christmas to everyone!
[/QUOTE]

YOUR ABSOLUTLY RIGHT FRANK, THAT IS WHAT HE SAID,
HAPPY HOLIDAYS ALL
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Maybe Santa is bringing us the bonds for Christmas. Here he is flying through Caracas Venezeula according to NORDAD...

 -

Happy Holidays All! Now that is DD!!! HAHA!!
 
Posted by TeddyG on :
 
Merry Christmas everybody!
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
What everyone should get for their significant others...

http://www.pistolwimp.com/media/55184/

A little bit of NSFW language. It originally aired on SNL, with Justin Timberlake and Andy Samberg. Hilarious.
 
Posted by Junky on :
 
Thanks, I'm gonna go for a smoke. Maybe meet a hot girl who's lonely.

FASC in 2007 will have me having a hot girl sleep over Christmas Eve. Belee dat.
 
Posted by Junky on :
 
Didn't mean to post in this scam stock thread.
 
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
 
Merry Christmas everyone.
Just hangin out with family and friends.
Really hoping for some love from the CSHD stock:)
I'm thankfull for the important things in life, like the ubiquitousness of the toys and sippy cups proliferated all over the floors of our house from my neices and nephew and obviously being able to celebrate Chistmas in the fullest sense.
God Bless
Ima
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
ok guys i opened up a few gifts and nothing from cshd under the tree, i could not find anything on their behalf..come on CONversion, give!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
trade- ur gift in in the mail. Its a 2hr ride in the CSHD Limo....Texas style [Wink]


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Posted by Jenna on :
 
Merry Christmas!!!! [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Junky:
Didn't mean to post in this scam stock thread.

You can easily remedy that by editing your post or asking the Mods to delete it.

Merry Christmas
Wally
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
trade- ur gift in in the mail. Its a 2hr ride in the CSHD Limo....Texas style [Wink]


 -

lol!
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Hmm.. although that fits the country style, it gives them too much freedom.

I think the offical CSHD limo has been revised:

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Posted by TimW on :
 
Tut posting at HSM for those interested.
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
From HSM late last night....Tut, aka JA(?) made a holiday appearance ....and as for my take, I am still waiting for a PR(es), affirmation of the 10-K and a 10-Q.
.
..
"Yesterday, 11:38 PM #1696
tutankhamen
HSM Newbie
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1 Yesterday I struggled whether I should make a brief appearance to wish all the best for you all and to let you know you are not forgotten. Here is my wish for you.

من قلبي اتمنى لكم جميعا اعيادا سعيدة وسنة جديدة اكثر ازدهارا. انني لم ننس أي منكم وأنتم دائما في افكاري والصلاة. الله يكون معك والسلام للجميع. سنجعلها خلال هذا معا. "

and then another poster there put up this as a tranlation....
.
.
"Yesterday, 11:43 PM #1701
frontiersman38-55
HSM Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 323 Quote:
Originally Posted by tutankhamen
Yesterday I struggled whether I should make a brief appearance to wish all the best for you all and to let you know you are not forgotten. Here is my wish for you.
من قلبي اتمنى لكم جميعا اعيادا سعيدة وسنة جديدة اكثر ازدهارا. انني لم ننس أي منكم وأنتم دائما في افكاري والصلاة. الله يكون معك والسلام للجميع. سنجعلها خلال هذا معا.
Translation:
"From my heart I wish you all happy holidays and a prosperous new year. I have not forgotten any of you, and you are always in my thoughts and prayers. God be with you and peace for all. We will make it through this together."

Thank you, Tut, Merry Christmas and God Bless you and your family.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last edited by frontiersman38-55 : Today at 12:02 AM.?"
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
From HSM late last night....Tut, aka JA(?) made a holiday appearance ....and as for my take, I am still waiting for a PR(es), affirmation of the 10-K and a 10-Q.
.
..
"Yesterday, 11:38 PM #1696
tutankhamen
HSM Newbie
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1 Yesterday I struggled whether I should make a brief appearance to wish all the best for you all and to let you know you are not forgotten. Here is my wish for you.

من قلبي اتمنى لكم جميعا اعيادا سعيدة وسنة جديدة اكثر ازدهارا. انني لم ننس أي منكم وأنتم دائما في افكاري والصلاة. الله يكون معك والسلام للجميع. سنجعلها خلال هذا معا. "

and then another poster there put up this as a tranlation....
.
.
"Yesterday, 11:43 PM #1701
frontiersman38-55
HSM Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 323 Quote:
Originally Posted by tutankhamen
Yesterday I struggled whether I should make a brief appearance to wish all the best for you all and to let you know you are not forgotten. Here is my wish for you.
من قلبي اتمنى لكم جميعا اعيادا سعيدة وسنة جديدة اكثر ازدهارا. انني لم ننس أي منكم وأنتم دائما في افكاري والصلاة. الله يكون معك والسلام للجميع. سنجعلها خلال هذا معا.
Translation:
"From my heart I wish you all happy holidays and a prosperous new year. I have not forgotten any of you, and you are always in my thoughts and prayers. God be with you and peace for all. We will make it through this together."

Thank you, Tut, Merry Christmas and God Bless you and your family.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last edited by frontiersman38-55 : Today at 12:02 AM.?"

That is horrible. He should never be on the board. I thought he would know better. Guess nothing has changed.
 
Posted by ajman on :
 
It's not so horrible that Tut posted, he said absolutely nothing about the company.....

Just wishing us well for the holidays.

I wish he would have given us a PR instead but what he did post really can't be construed as bad for a CEO even in someones wildest imagination.

NOW WE REALLY NEED A PR GIVING US AN UPDATE ON THE COMPANY
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Hello Board! (or are we bored?) No news.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
TUT, what are we all in together? The last thing I heard was we had real assets and now we don't know squat. Why don't you clue in us Infidels on the situation.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Heh- this was funny. I logged a ticket with Etrade telling them to change the name of the process of transfering money into a brokerage account from "Quick Transfer" to "Not so quick transfer".

They now invoke a new 5 day waiting period when transfering from a 3rd party institution. Of course the new policy is linked to "penny stock manipulation" lol.

All they had to say was they changed it because people were bouncing payments (which is crazy because I know my bank wouldnt allow an electronic funds transfer without funds to support the transfer).

Account security improvement?


Dear Mr. X,

Thank you for your message. I apologize for any confusion or frustration this new policy may have been causing you. I have gone ahead and processed a formal complaint on your behalf regarding this matter.

As you are aware, beginning on October 2nd, 2006 we have made a revision in our policies regarding deposits to accounts. All Instant Funding and Quick Transfers from an outside institution to a brokerage account will now have a (5) five business day hold on funds for trading from date of initiation. This measure is being implemented to increase account security.

By allowing instant access for trading with the funds, some users were able to submit large payments that would eventually bounce to manipulate the price of penny stocks for their gain. This possible price manipulation along with the opportunity for other fraudulent use of the system resorted in the policy change. Again, I am sorry for the negative affect that this has caused.

You may take interest in opening an E*TRADE banking account. There are introductory rates of 5.15% in our money markets and cash transfers to your E*TRADE brokerage account from an E*TRADE banking account are done in real time. You may visit the following link for more information:
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
That is a little funny...I could just see the policy (not so quick, etc). LOL
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Looks like everyone has given up on CSHD OR are out on vacation. Down to .10.

Anybody here? Hello?
 
Posted by BULListic on :
 
CSHD is a lot like looking for lost mountain climbers...as each day passes, the chances of a positive conclusion become more and more unlikely. There's not a whole lot to say without Rufus striking up the band ever so often to keep us entertained. Only time will tell whether John Arlitt is taking all the neccesary time to deciphers Rufus' dealings and whether they were real or not.

quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Looks like everyone has given up on CSHD OR are out on vacation. Down to .10.

Anybody here? Hello?


 
Posted by lostone on :
 
good luck y'all.. finally dumped everything at .1 today.. had to take a big big loss.. but it's a good tax writeoff .. if this thing ever comes alive again, i hope i am qualified for that 6:1 as promised
 
Posted by trade2win on :
 
So technically you don't have to be holding any number of shares to get the 6:1?
 
Posted by lostone on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade2win:
So technically you don't have to be holding any number of shares to get the 6:1?

supposedly yes.. the qualification date was some months ago.. but things can change, as we all have seen..
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Looks like everyone has given up on CSHD OR are out on vacation. Down to .10.

Anybody here? Hello?

Not giving up - Stay tuned - somethings got to give - either way- It's not worth selling for me right now- I LOVE TO GAMBLE!!! Call me crazy but .10 is a great price.... [Eek!] [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
From HSM late last night....Tut, aka JA(?) made a holiday appearance ....and as for my take, I am still waiting for a PR(es), affirmation of the 10-K and a 10-Q.
.
..
"Yesterday, 11:38 PM #1696
tutankhamen
HSM Newbie
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 1 Yesterday I struggled whether I should make a brief appearance to wish all the best for you all and to let you know you are not forgotten. Here is my wish for you.

من قلبي اتمنى لكم جميعا اعيادا سعيدة وسنة جديدة اكثر ازدهارا. انني لم ننس أي منكم وأنتم دائما في افكاري والصلاة. الله يكون معك والسلام للجميع. سنجعلها خلال هذا معا. "

and then another poster there put up this as a tranlation....
.
.
"Yesterday, 11:43 PM #1701
frontiersman38-55
HSM Regular
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 323 Quote:
Originally Posted by tutankhamen
Yesterday I struggled whether I should make a brief appearance to wish all the best for you all and to let you know you are not forgotten. Here is my wish for you.
من قلبي اتمنى لكم جميعا اعيادا سعيدة وسنة جديدة اكثر ازدهارا. انني لم ننس أي منكم وأنتم دائما في افكاري والصلاة. الله يكون معك والسلام للجميع. سنجعلها خلال هذا معا.
Translation:
"From my heart I wish you all happy holidays and a prosperous new year. I have not forgotten any of you, and you are always in my thoughts and prayers. God be with you and peace for all. We will make it through this together."

Thank you, Tut, Merry Christmas and God Bless you and your family.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Last edited by frontiersman38-55 : Today at 12:02 AM.?"

IMO...this was "wrong"..."Tut" was very postitive on this thing a couple of months ago...most people "hung" on his posts..and it "rallied the troops", so to speak..he then becomes CEO and for him to post this and for him to not PR the happenings on the company is just as wrongful as the things that Rufas was doing...

This will drop...as it is now and quite possibly not rebound...many taking the loss for taxes...many just holding it as a loss...

For those thinking of "suing"...maybe Tut is the one to take legal action against and not Rufus or CSHD...Seems Tut has more than Rufus or the company...

I hope all had a wonderful Holiday...Staying away from this stuff was great! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Looks like everyone has given up on CSHD OR are out on vacation. Down to .10.

Anybody here? Hello?

Not giving up - Stay tuned - somethings got to give - either way- It's not worth selling for me right now- I LOVE TO GAMBLE!!! Call me crazy but .10 is a great price.... [Eek!] [Wink]
Jenna, I'm with you on this. As much as I'd love the tax deduction it really doesn't matter if I take it now or next year so I'll hang around and hold for now. I like to gamble too and if it goes to 0 from where it is now it's really not that much more than I have already lost (paperwise).

If it rebounds we can both yell "we told you so". [Big Grin]

[Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BULListic:
CSHD is a lot like looking for lost mountain climbers...as each day passes, the chances of a positive conclusion become more and more unlikely. There's not a whole lot to say without Rufus striking up the band ever so often to keep us entertained. Only time will tell whether John Arlitt is taking all the neccesary time to deciphers Rufus' dealings and whether they were real or not.

We have no new information to help us understand what is going on with CSHD right now. All we have is a dwindling PPS and speculation. Statements like, "...as each day passes, the chances of a positive conclusion become more and more unlikely" imply that managerial silence is killing the company. Wrong. It is helping to drive the PPS lower because of year-end sell-offs and impatient investors. Since mid December, we have had no updates to indicate positive or negative movement with the company. Silence sets the tone, people interpret the silence in their own way. Some are selling, but not everyone.

It will be good to get an update but I do not anticipate one until we are mid-way into January, at the earliest. This week and next should be very quiet for most companies.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
IMO...this was "wrong"..."Tut" was very postitive on this thing a couple of months ago...most people "hung" on his posts..and it "rallied the troops", so to speak..he then becomes CEO and for him to post this and for him to not PR the happenings on the company is just as wrongful as the things that Rufas was doing...

This will drop...as it is now and quite possibly not rebound...many taking the loss for taxes...many just holding it as a loss...

For those thinking of "suing"...maybe Tut is the one to take legal action against and not Rufus or CSHD...Seems Tut has more than Rufus or the company...

I hope all had a wonderful Holiday...Staying away from this stuff was great! [Big Grin]

A few recent posts refer to Tut and Arlitt as the same person - that Tut became CEO of CSHD. I do not remember any evidence that this is the case, nor have I ever believed the Tut is JA. If I missed the pages where JA and Tut were confirmed to be the same person, please point me in the right direction.

Some speak of JA as the only way this company can succeed. On what basis should we presume that? I have seen very little on JA's list of qualifications or public statements to indicate that he has any idea how to go about pursuing the company's business plan, which involves bond development on an international scope in the early stages. If CSHD is moving forward, it is possible that John Arlitt is being guided, not leading, if he is materially involved at all.

... In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
I thought I read that Tut & JA where one in the same a few weeks ago. It was here...somewhere.

Possibly irrational exhuburance.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
I thought I read that Tut & JA where one in the same a few weeks ago. It was here...somewhere.

Possibly irrational exhuburance.

I remember some speculation based on the name John, something about Canada and the fact that Tut stopped posting after the Arlitt takeover. It only matters as a reminder that there are still a lot of unanswered questions with this story and there could very well be events taking place behind the scenes that we cannot see.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
I thought I read that Tut & JA where one in the same a few weeks ago. It was here...somewhere.

Possibly irrational exhuburance.

I remember some speculation based on the name John, something about Canada and the fact that Tut stopped posting after the Arlitt takeover. It only matters as a reminder that there are still a lot of unanswered questions with this story and there could very well be events taking place behind the scenes that we cannot see.

...In My humble Opinion

The last time Rufus was on SubPennyRadio, he himself stated that John Arlitt was TUT. I do agree that I have seen nothing from Arlitt/Tut to indicate that he is prepared to take this company forward. If it's possible I see a lot less transparency since he and the SHC pulled off the Coup D' Etat then when Rufus was in charge. Not saying that Rufus was giving us a lot of sustence but he was accessible.

I've no no meat or potatoes, as yet from ARTUT and much less communication. IF, and that is a big IF, CSHD is to recover we will need not just much more communication but SUSTENCE as well.

The higher of an IR firm does nothing to inspire. The hiring of legal advice while good was a red flag to me. THe area of their expertise is not exactly where I would be looking if attempting to move forward.

The only basis anyone has that the company is truly moving forward are a few internet touts claiming victory is near, negotiations with the SEC and MM's are ongoing and close to completion. IMO, they are unsubstaniated and unfounded. At least with Rufus it came from his mouth and reprecussions were a possible outcome. With the current leadership, they are not responsible for what poster on a BB say so have no exposure.

Only time will tell and for those holding, believe one thing, it won't happen in weeks. Just take a look at the companies that have been suspended fro trading in the last 2 years. Those that did get off the grays took anywhere from 6 months to a year to accomplish it. Do a little DD on them and you will see.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Wallymac, I think you are talking about SUSTENANCE, that word has more meaning to your sentence.

ladyofthehouse could be Rufus alter ego that pops out when he is cross dressing and thinks that he is his Mammy.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Oh boy
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
I was looking at the chart on MSN and it looks like the stock stopped trading around 3:00 yesterday? Last price list at .10 but the chart shows a jumpto around .14 and then just ends there. What's up???
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Mr. Catiaengineer- your mailbox is full.....
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
You're finally at .10?? MOVE THIS PITIFUL EXCUSE FOR A STOCK THREAD OUTTA HERE.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
I was looking at the chart on MSN and it looks like the stock stopped trading around 3:00 yesterday? Last price list at .10 but the chart shows a jumpto around .14 and then just ends there. What's up???

I don't think any of it makes sense while on the gray's....
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
I was thinking he meant substance, but you may be right.

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Wallymac, I think you are talking about SUSTENANCE, that word has more meaning to your sentence.

ladyofthehouse could be Rufus alter ego that pops out when he is cross dressing and thinks that he is his Mammy.


 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
there it goes!!! now at .05!! CRAP!!!!
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
lmao....down with the ship i say.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
lmao....down with the ship i say.

Well if it was good enough for the Titanic... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
still a long way to go to .0001!!! LMAO!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
It's a dump for tax purposes.....Good Buying op [Eek!]
 
Posted by Goodones on :
 
Way to go some jackass .05 I will burn my shares before I give them away now!
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
It's a dump for tax purposes.....Good Buying op [Eek!]

I would`nt buy this with YOUR money!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I would buy some for .05!!! Who's selling for .05?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Back to .10. That was quick!
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Morning all...Has Frosty come back to life yet?

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
No frosty here but we had a chance to buy at .05 today and do I dare say try to sell at .10 for a 100 percent profit...LOL
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Oooh Oooh, Now it's at .13.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anybody know what the volume was yesterday?
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Nope - everything was VERY SLOW though...I can hardly wait for the rest of the holidays to be done so we can get back to business as usual.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Business as usual...Do we really want that? Yes, I'm kidding...Kind of slow with so many folks off on vacation and such for the holidays.

I'm still waiting for the CSHD Christmas present.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I'm still looking for the extra shares.
 
Posted by jmoe20 on :
 
As I look at all of you still hanging around I feel sorry that you didn't listen to me when I said sell at .55 cents... Now I look at it today, and there is 100% chance this will never rise again to .55 cents. Good luck to you all.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Forget it man, they are hollow... completely void of rational thinking... like LSD addicts who burn their synapsis out and forever see blue unicorns all around them. It's called - PERMANENT DAMAGE. Shocked into a state of numbness.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmoe20:
As I look at all of you still hanging around I feel sorry that you didn't listen to me when I said sell at .55 cents... Now I look at it today, and there is 100% chance this will never rise again to .55 cents. Good luck to you all.

Who said we DIDN'T sell at .55 or higher? Doesn't mean I'm not watching the stock anymore...
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
i didnt sell at .55 when i should have lol. Its at a nickel now, by end of week we may be at a penny
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I feel sorry for the real losers here. Those are the ones who have nothing better to do than hang around and belittle those who have decided to take the risk and hold on. Those that at least still have a stake in CSHD.

What can be said of people who state they no interest in this stock either financial or otherwise but wish to pump their own egos with I told you so and I'm smart than you comments.

Now those are the people I really feel sorry for.

As far as I know, every person that put money into this is/was an adult and capable of making their own decisions.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jmoe20:
As I look at all of you still hanging around I feel sorry that you didn't listen to me when I said sell at .55 cents... Now I look at it today, and there is 100% chance this will never rise again to .55 cents. Good luck to you all.

[Cool]
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I feel sorry for the real losers here. Those are the ones who have nothing better to do than hang around and belittle those who have decided to take the risk and hold on. Those that at least still have a stake in CSHD.

What can be said of people who state they no interest in this stock either financial or otherwise but wish to pump their own egos with I told you so and I'm smart than you comments.

Now those are the people I really feel sorry for.

As far as I know, every person that put money into this is/was an adult and capable of making their own decisions.

GLTA
Wally

Excellent post, Wally! For the record, I didn't sell ALL at .55 either [Wink]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by jmoe20:
As I look at all of you still hanging around I feel sorry that you didn't listen to me when I said sell at .55 cents... Now I look at it today, and there is 100% chance this will never rise again to .55 cents. Good luck to you all.

[Cool]
100% chance....LOL those two words don't sound like they go with each other.

Thanks for the I told you so........

And thanks for those that care so much about my money.

Nov. and Dec. have been my best months yet even with CSHD's collapse. And for that I stand proud!

I will finish the race.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Surf - Yes, we will finish the race...
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by jmoe20:
As I look at all of you still hanging around I feel sorry that you didn't listen to me when I said sell at .55 cents... Now I look at it today, and there is 100% chance this will never rise again to .55 cents. Good luck to you all.

[Cool]
100% chance....LOL those two words don't sound like they go with each other.

Thanks for the I told you so........

And thanks for those that care so much about my money.

Nov. and Dec. have been my best months yet even with CSHD's collapse. And for that I stand proud!

I will finish the race.

Yup these last two months sure have been great!

I keep on winning...knock on wood
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
PFFFFfffffsssst...

CSHD: Short Interest DN 82.2% to 315.5K in Dec 2006 [Eek!]


http://cobrand.knobias.com/otcbb/story.htm?eid=3.1.d6afe92dacafa5358ce75b0d6f5f8 b2b284cfd54dd634fa29c3f5e7d7e1109d2

0.05 today... Two day Sale.
GLTA [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
here's an interesting SEC complaint filed about short-selling AND? it involves sourstreet...

http://www.sec.gov/rules/proposed/s72303/tdcarroll020104.txt
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Thanks Glass!

The method.

Our-street assembles a "laundry list" of unanswered questions and files this
research with the SEC as a detailed and very professional complaint. By the
covenant created by the request for $200.00 a month gratuities for 2 day
notice Our-street informs those generous contributors of this "research".

With this 2 day notice (funded by a generous gratuity) the conspirator
contributors can establish short positions in the stocks targeted by
Our-street for research.

Funny how he goes on to attack regulation SHO too.

The $200 "gratuity" is probably called that for a reason.

What an AS$.

Some people were just raised different.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
true surf, but Rufus didn't help the cause either...

Tim (and others like him) is just another aspect to the "game"...

and the SEC just does it's job...
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
I agree but it just goes to show what some people will do for money.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
sheesh surf, this is nuttn... some people start wars for money [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
TAX –

Is it common for shorts to cover in a situation like this? Do you really think they are just covering their a*S just in case? If the co. were really dead then why bother? I wonder if anyone can find pump and dump scenarios where there was this much short covering after the “gig appeared to be up” already?

In any case, even if this never goes up again, I think it is obvious this was not a scam. At one point in time there was the possibility for success. Will we get there again? Stay tuned!


TaxBack04
Member
posted December 27, 2006 20:20
________________________________________
PFFFFfffffsssst...

CSHD: Short Interest DN 82.2% to 315.5K in Dec 2006


http://cobrand.knobias.com/otcbb/story.htm?eid=3.1.d6afe92dacafa5358ce75b0d6f5f8 b2b284cfd54dd634fa29c3f5e7d7e1109d2

0.05 today... Two day Sale.
GLTA
 
Posted by ajman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
TAX –

Is it common for shorts to cover in a situation like this? Do you really think they are just covering their a*S just in case? If the co. were really dead then why bother? I wonder if anyone can find pump and dump scenarios where there was this much short covering after the “gig appeared to be up” already?

In any case, even if this never goes up again, I think it is obvious this was not a scam. At one point in time there was the possibility for success. Will we get there again? Stay tuned!


TaxBack04
Member
posted December 27, 2006 20:20
________________________________________
PFFFFfffffsssst...

CSHD: Short Interest DN 82.2% to 315.5K in Dec 2006


http://cobrand.knobias.com/otcbb/story.htm?eid=3.1.d6afe92dacafa5358ce75b0d6f5f8 b2b284cfd54dd634fa29c3f5e7d7e1109d2

0.05 today... Two day Sale.
GLTA

Actually that is a very good point.... If these people that have shorted this didn't think that there was a chance of recovery why would they cover at this point? It would be a waste of money on their part if they truely thought the company was dead.

One of those things that make you go hmmmmmmm....
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Good Morning Board. Well, we are on the 99th page of this thread and the stock did go up .03 yesterday. Let's keep it going maybe up to .15 cents AND 100 pages.

I'm still long...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
theCon ~ you kind of made my point for me. IMO I do believe that this company will recover. Only time will tell.

Shorts here I believe feel a bit lucky that the SEC jumped in and helped them out.

"Two day Sale"... meant that I see two days left this year for all to get a great discount on this stock. I personally thought we would see a penny or lower this week. With the "EOY tax benefit sell off" 0.05 did not surprise me nor did it scare me yesterday. I wonder what we will see today.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
I just saw that .05 again. Within 1 minute it jumped back up to .10, then .13. [Eek!]

Gotta be quick I guess.
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Good morning folks. Looks like I'm holding through year end. Why not.....
 
Posted by casviper on :
 
more games... that will be the story with this until the courts and SEC are settled.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It's time for the Cobra to strike someone on the a$$ to stimulate some communication to shareholders again. I can't understand where these guys get off with this absolute silence crap when people have dumped so much money into this. Personally I would'nt mind some straight answers to some of the bond issues and bold statements made by Rufus.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
They shoot horses don't they?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey guys - on the cvsu website - looking at the L2's - How can you tell if it is a buy or sell? Does the red, green , & no color have signifigance?
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Every transaction is both a buy and a sell.

[Smile]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Hey Jenna- meeting over.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Quite day today?
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
or quiet...whichever.
 
Posted by penny_player on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
[QB] TAX –

Is it common for shorts to cover in a situation like this? Do you really think they are just covering their a*S just in case? If the co. were really dead then why bother? I wonder if anyone can find pump and dump scenarios where there was this much short covering after the “gig appeared to be up” already?

Why wouldn't they give back 1% of what they shorted, to cover now for a guaranteed 10,000% profit, rather than risking it all for that extra 1%?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Now I should be flipping this but I have no available cash! It's bouncing from .05 to .12 to .07 to .13.

ARGHHH!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Don't worry about it Stockstar I'm pretty sure it's the only the MM's that are getting it for .05...
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Something screwy has been going on ive tried to sell for the last 2 weeks. The only way i think ill be able to sell is cut the price down to 3 cents a share. Ive had it above, at and below the bid off and on for over 2 weeks and have had no success.

The only thing that sucks worse than losing 90% of your investment, is watching the last 10% turn to 0% because you cant sell it.

<Insert GRRR face here>
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Interesting Tim-

I actually bought yesterday. The order sat most of the day at .12~ it wasn't an "all or none" either. I would make sure you don't have "all or none" selected.

They don't fill right away (mine for 17k shares took most of the entire day yesterday).

The funny part:

During the time it was trying to fill a trade for .05 flew by and dropped the price from the .12 (when the 1st 1000 shares filled) to .05 when someone traded a whopping 100 shares at .05= 5$$

I witnessed the .12 price from my purchase- then 5 mins at .12 and the remainder 16k of my shares sat unfilled somehow a .05 trade went through. Dropping the price to .05. How does a .05 go through in the middle of my order filling.

It then took another hour or so for my complete order to fill (which was about half at .12 and the other half at .13).

Reindeer games of the Greys...gotta love em [Wink]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
Something screwy has been going on ive tried to sell for the last 2 weeks. The only way i think ill be able to sell is cut the price down to 3 cents a share. Ive had it above, at and below the bid off and on for over 2 weeks and have had no success.

The only thing that sucks worse than losing 90% of your investment, is watching the last 10% turn to 0% because you cant sell it.

<Insert GRRR face here>

Hi Tim ...... If you really want to sell ..... What price are you trying to sell it for? What broker are you using? You and I might be able to work something out.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Doc, are you not thinking class action anymore, but a company rebound instead? [Wink]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Looks like the last day of trading for 4 days. Any opinions? Will we get news from OUR company over the extended weekend?
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by SherriT:
Doc, are you not thinking class action anymore, but a company rebound instead? [Wink]

Hi Sherri ..... If Tim was taking about 3 cents, I was willing to take a chance. Just like a penny slot machine. [Smile]
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
That was an example of how extreme do you have to change the price to make it move.. frank had a similar incident there, except he was buying. Curious to how everyone that posted saying they sold out actually was able to sell out, when i have tried every option, limit, stop limit, market, fill or kill, all or none, etc etc. Broker is BOA.

The only reason I considered selling is because the tax benefit is worth more than the shares at this point.. but i can always take that loss next year too if it never goes up..

No real hurry to sell doc [Wink] Just frustrated that i can put in a buy and get a random number of shares within a few minutes but not sell any of them.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
I understand Tim ..... I saw your frustration. I have a buy in for shares at a very cheap price because I believe there is a possibility that we might survive. Wouldn't it be nice. Some people want tax write offs. Thats why I asked you. Have a great New Year. [Smile]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Even if we don't shoot to the moon at 100+pps like folks back in the day were saying....its still an easy 1 or 2 dollars a share imo.

Considering I averaged down nicely to .34 I will take anything north of that [Wink]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Even if we don't shoot to the moon at 100+pps like folks back in the day were saying....its still an easy 1 or 2 dollars a share imo.

Considering I averaged down nicely to .34 I will take anything north of that [Wink]

You're saying this stock is going to $1 or $2?? Have you started drinking the "bubbly" already?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Even if we don't shoot to the moon at 100+pps like folks back in the day were saying....its still an easy 1 or 2 dollars a share imo.

Considering I averaged down nicely to .34 I will take anything north of that [Wink]

You're saying this stock is going to $1 or $2?? Have you started drinking the "bubbly" already?
I believe this too!! All we need is some good news!!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Even if we don't shoot to the moon at 100+pps like folks back in the day were saying....its still an easy 1 or 2 dollars a share imo.

Considering I averaged down nicely to .34 I will take anything north of that [Wink]

You're saying this stock is going to $1 or $2?? Have you started drinking the "bubbly" already?
I believe this too!! All we need is some good news!!! [Big Grin]
The news you need is this:

"CSHD discovers cure for ALL known cancers, as well as invents automobile that runs on dirt instead of gasoline".

You might see .75 with that news..ahahaa.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Repo- you forgot the moon....I think they sent Rufus & Ben there to look for some bonds & horses...That would be BIG news!!!

I think that would be worth at least $1.99 [Wink]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Hi Jenna,

Good we can still laugh at ourselves hah?

Here's to looking forward to 2007.

Oh look...we made 100 pages.
(Where's Kevin Bailey?) [Big Grin]
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
quote:

Even if we don't shoot to the moon at 100+pps like folks back in the day were saying....its still an easy 1 or 2 dollars a share imo.

Yeah I believe that too, just like I believe in the toothfairy and Bigfoot. This stock is going nowhere, I just think there waiting for most of us to sell so they dont have the 6:1 obligation anymore. All I see now is a desperate company going through the motions just to avoid the inevitable SHUTDOWN.

I just cant believe how naive some investors are, I got suckered and learned my lesson, but to think this think will actually pull through and be a healthy company is foolish.

You just have to think about everything we've been through, even the worst of the worst do not get halted. I've seen companies lie, cheat & steal and still continue to operate unscathed and some of you actually think this company will pull through. Lets put all the fantasies aside and get the Class Action started
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
For me, I like to gamble!! I'm already down 90% - so what the heck is the difference? I think I will let it ride for a little while longer....If this was a slot machine I would yell at it & get mad, usually right after I do that it pays me!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
For me, I like to gamble!! I'm already down 90% - so what the heck is the difference? I think I will let it ride for a little while longer....If this was a slot machine I would yell at it & get mad, usually right after I do that it pays me!! [Big Grin]

If this was a slot machine, I'd call the gaming commission because it's rigged.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Gambling Commision = SEC
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Gambling Commision = SEC

That's right! And they took this pig out of the race...

HAIL THE SEC. They are my heroes.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
So, what's hot for 2007 Repo? IEAM, DKAM? Anything else?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
UP 71% today!!!!!! What the...........
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
So, what's hot for 2007 Repo? IEAM, DKAM? Anything else?

FRPT. I'm calling for a 75% return in '07 on that stock.

DKAM - 100 - 200% return in '07.

BOOK IT.

If you can do better than that, let's hear it.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Sounds good Repo- I'm gettin' in.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I think we should be expecting an update on the SHC website -

"The SHC has a goal of releasing general information within 3 business days after a general weekly meeting."

The last update was 12/22 - it's been a week - so perhaps there will be some update today.... [Smile]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Although Repo has been negative about our baby (CSHD) he does have some interesting picks sometimes. I may need to become a Repo-man. Perhaps I'll do some homework during the long weekend and see if I can spare a few nickels for some of his plays.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Well who the F would sell right now. Who cares about getting 5% back of your investment lmao.

Its all about principle now..let it kill itself, or hope for the best
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
up 71% YEAAAAA!!!!!!!! LOL


Happy New Year!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
the FHAL/CSHD play has been one for the books in 2006... I definately learned some hard lessons on this one as all of us did who didn't have a chair when the music stopped.

Happy New Year and better luck in 2007 !
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
Even with this dog (yes I still have all of my shares... none of my sells ever went through so I just cancelled them all) I am only down 5 grand so I'm gonna hold 'em and see what this soap opera brings in 2007. Wish I would have sold at 3.75 when "invester" did.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
BAaaa humb year... HAHA!! I placed over 15 buy orders today, and none took. Wanted some cheap shares going into the New Year and did not get them.

Oh well... GLTA! I think 2007 is going to be huge.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Just a little some thing to think about that I found on another board. Throughout the CSHD threads we have talked of shorting and NSS. Was this where Rufus was heading?

Posted by: uwlungman
In reply to: None Date:12/29/2006 8:51:00 PM
Post #of 49074

OT. Looks like Shorty has been found guilty...
Critics of NSS keep asking for one case where Shorty has been found guilty. I just found this on the USXP Quarterly filing to the SEC. Looks like Shorty has been convicted by jury trials more than once. Here is the statement:
"On July 26, 2001, a jury in the Circuit Court of the Eleventh Circuit, Dade County, Florida awarded the Company a damage verdict after trial, of $87,622,000 compensatory damages, $275,000,000 punitive damages and $26,286,000 pre-judgment interest, or a total judgment entered of $389 Million, against Select Capital and various stock manipulators and "naked shorters." This judgment continues to grow with post-judgment interest. On August 23, 2003, another jury in the Circuit Court, Dade County, Florida, after trial, awarded another verdict to the Company in the total amount of $137 Million, against South Beach Financial and related stock manipulators and "naked shorters". Judgment was entered in favor of the Company upon this verdict. This judgment continues to grow with post-judgment interest. These judgments were non-appealable. Collection efforts on behalf of the Company with respect to these judgments are ongoing and the Company believes that the judgments are substantially collectable."
From the following statement:
UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549
FORM 10-QSB
QUARTERLY REPORT PURSUANT TO SECTION 13 OR 15 (d)
OF THE SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934
FOR THE QUARTER ENDED September 30, 2006
Commission File Number 0-18094

UNIVERSAL EXPRESS, INC.

Happy New Year
Wally
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Great so Rufus is on trial about to go to jail, we dont have any court case against naked shorters, and thousands of people lost a ton of their money.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Just a little some thing to think about that I found on another board. Throughout the CSHD threads we have talked of shorting and NSS. Was this where Rufus was heading?

Posted by: uwlungman
In reply to: None Date:12/29/2006 8:51:00 PM
Post #of 49074

OT. Looks like Shorty has been found guilty...
Critics of NSS keep asking for one case where Shorty has been found guilty. I just found this on the USXP Quarterly filing to the SEC. Looks like Shorty has been convicted by jury trials more than once. Here is the statement:
"On July 26, 2001, a jury in the Circuit Court of the Eleventh Circuit, Dade County, Florida awarded the Company a damage verdict after trial, of $87,622,000 compensatory damages, $275,000,000 punitive damages and $26,286,000 pre-judgment interest, or a total judgment entered of $389 Million, against Select Capital and various stock manipulators and "naked shorters." This judgment continues to grow with post-judgment interest. On August 23, 2003, another jury in the Circuit Court, Dade County, Florida, after trial, awarded another verdict to the Company in the total amount of $137 Million, against South Beach Financial and related stock manipulators and "naked shorters". Judgment was entered in favor of the Company upon this verdict. This judgment continues to grow with post-judgment interest. These judgments were non-appealable. Collection efforts on behalf of the Company with respect to these judgments are ongoing and the Company believes that the judgments are substantially collectable."
From the following statement:
UNITED STATES SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549
FORM 10-QSB
QUARTERLY REPORT PURSUANT TO SECTION 13 OR 15 (d)
OF THE SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934
FOR THE QUARTER ENDED September 30, 2006
Commission File Number 0-18094

UNIVERSAL EXPRESS, INC.

Happy New Year
Wally

Prolly the question is, "Was this where Rufus headed?"

My guess would be "sure." Invoke the boogeyman...

Lottsa people *hate* NSS...eh?

shoot, some folk even hate short-selling in general...

I have no doubt that every kind of transaction that is possible (ie, that we *know* of... [Roll Eyes] ) took place here.

Still and all, logic keeps coming around to some combination of PnD & toxic financing...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Great so Rufus is on trial about to go to jail, we dont have any court case against naked shorters, and thousands of people lost a ton of their money.

That about sums it up.

Except I doubt Rufus will ever see the inside of a jail cell, even if he is guilty. Just not the way things work unless it makes the headlines like Enron or Martha Stewart. In a case like this, I could see them banning Rufus from ever having anything to do with a public company again. If they were to find profits from stock sales they could go after that money but other than that, nothing.

It's really ironic though, because I keep reading posts on this and other boards about people who want to either buy or sell but can't. So I wonder who is buying and selling during market hours? I did notice that the short position has changed drastically since begin halted and delisted. Interesting.


GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Well i didnt take the tax loss today....so i guess im hoping a miracle comes here. Thing is this could make a come back if Arlitt was smart enough to realize he has a public company now, and created a new business plan and started a new company.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
Great so Rufus is on trial about to go to jail, we dont have any court case against naked shorters, and thousands of people lost a ton of their money.

That about sums it up.

Except I doubt Rufus will ever see the inside of a jail cell, even if he is guilty. Just not the way things work unless it makes the headlines like Enron or Martha Stewart. In a case like this, I could see them banning Rufus from ever having anything to do with a public company again. If they were to find profits from stock sales they could go after that money but other than that, nothing.

It's really ironic though, because I keep reading posts on this and other boards about people who want to either buy or sell but can't. So I wonder who is buying and selling during market hours? I did notice that the short position has changed drastically since begin halted and delisted. Interesting.


GLTA
Wally

Wally?

"suspended," bro [Big Grin]

I know...I'm pedantic...


but ya, I agree... I would be *amazed* to see RPH do jail time--although I fully expect he'll be banned being an officer in a public company.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
OOOOPS!!!!!!!!!!You are right TEX. Suspended and delisted.

I hope that makes it better.


Have a Happy and Profitable New Year
Wally
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OMG...this was almost at the bottom of the page...couldn't let that happen...Repo wouldn't know what to do...LOL
Happy New year all!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
OMG...this was almost at the bottom of the page...couldn't let that happen...Repo wouldn't know what to do...LOL
Happy New year all!

It's pretty funny that when those who complain the loudest about this appearing in the Hot Stocks Section stop posting, it slowly moves down the page.

Anyway, here's to great New Year.

Wally
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Happy New Year from the UK, and prosperous months ahead to all!!! [Eek!] [Wink] [Big Grin] [Smile] [Eek!]
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
LMAO i was just searching in my past topic started in 2006 and i found this one .

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/8/ t/023767/p/1.html#000000


HAPPY NEW YEAR 2007 [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya I wound up selling .30 cent shares for $3.66 cents because I did'nt run. Got lucky I guess.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
LMAO i was just searching in my past topic started in 2006 and i found this one .

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/ubb/ultimatebb.php/ubb/get_topic/f/8/ t/023767/p/1.html#000000


HAPPY NEW YEAR 2007 [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Well aren't you the F*cken hero now? Let me bow down to you for the warning. Thanks.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Happy New Year!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
HHHAAAAPPPYYYY NNNEEEWWWW YYEEEAAARRR!!!!!!!!


someone gimme an advil [Wink]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Happy New Year everyone.
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
Well aren't you the F*cken hero now? Let me bow down to you for the warning. Thanks.


LOL i never attempt been a hero, the hype was pretty good and i was the only "basher" back then.

so my thread was lock.


[Big Grin]
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
this is a post from hsm, not sure what it means but........

“Randy Moseley”
Latest Filing: 12/27/06 as Signatory

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As: Registrant
Moseley Randy

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As: Signatory (Director, Officer, Attorney, Accountant, Banker, Agent, etc.)
List All Filings as Signatory

Search Recent Filings (as Signatory) for “Randy Moseley”
“Randy Moseley” has been a Signatory for/with the following 9 Registrants:
Furia Organization Inc/DE
Hispanic Television Network Inc [ formerly American Independent Network Inc ]
Iexalt Inc [ formerly Sunbelt Exploration Inc ]
Luckett Alan
Miles Jacob R III
Moseley Randy
Urban Television Network Corp [ formerly Waste Conversion Systems Inc ]
World One Media Group Inc
Wright Entertainment LLC


“Randy Moseley” has/had a Signatory interest in the following 2 Registrants:
Hispanic Television Network Inc [ formerly American Independent Network Inc ]
Urban Television Network Corp [ formerly Waste Conversion Systems Inc ]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
Well aren't you the F*cken hero now? Let me bow down to you for the warning. Thanks.


LOL i never attempt been a hero, the hype was pretty good and i was the only "basher" back then.

so my thread was lock.


[Big Grin]

New Year same old BS. How is the I told you so's making you or anyone else a better trader? Do something constructive. How about making a thread about a stock that is going to make you and others money. Now that would be something different.

Do some real DD and share it with others, In other words do something constructive. This is a New Year with a lot of promise. Let's all try to help everyone make money.

I'm getting so tired of the Basher-Pumper thing. The fact is that it's not about being right or wrong. I'd rather be wrong and make money than be right and lose money.

If we can all work together, to benefit ourselves and the others who frequent AllStocks we will all be better off.

Let's all make money this year.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
How about making a thread about a stock that is going to make you and others money. Now that would be something different.


i been doing that for a while now, you didn't notice.
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
and one more thing if we want to be succesfull this year .


a good start would be erase CSHD from the map >>>>
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
and one more thing if we want to be succesfull this year .


a good start would be erase CSHD from the map >>>>

should you put "IMO" or "LMAO" ?
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
and one more thing if we want to be succesfull this year .


a good start would be erase CSHD from the map >>>>

another thing if you dont lke the thread, you dont have to visit.... [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
How about making a thread about a stock that is going to make you and others money. Now that would be something different.


i been doing that for a while now, you didn't notice.

I did. The problem is that you started threads on stocks that already had active threads going. Nothing new just pump pages. Secondly, all of them are about one day plays. Shoot CSDH had a lot of one day plays in it.

It all comes down to showing a little respect for other people. Heck I could bash any one of the stocks you have pumped and they will all go down at some point in time. Does that entitle me to celebrate and say I told you so? No. It just means that all stocks go up and all stocks go down.

I'll I'm asking is enough with useless I told you so's. Concentrate on making money. Ihai's all.

Good Luck
Wally
 
Posted by Firedog on :
 
Heres a little Rufus movie to start the year with a smile. Watch at your own risk [Big Grin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD3jpg1TJEw
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
ok WALLY let me hear your Long term "OTC/OTCBB" picks. cause i wont hold PINKS or OTCBB'S for a long time not this year, leasson learn in 2006.

The only OTC i did hold for 3 months was CPNLQ and i have my reward.


[Cool]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Just the point. I not saying any of them are long term picks. ALL pennies are trades. Use the board to make picks but WHY come back here? When I have a stock I thing is a good play I will post in the appropriate thread. If a thread doesn't exist I will make a thread. It's simple. If there is a thread that is pumping a stock I will post beware but that's it. I never go back and gloat. I'm secure enough in who I am that I don't need to relish the loss of others.

I'll post a few stocks I think will do well in Jan here, only because those with a position here are in a waiting mode. Not to discuss them but just FYI.

CKYS(pink), MHUT(pink but filings at end of yr suggest uplisting), PTSC(BB), RKLC(BB). There are others much more speculative. PM me if you want info on these.End of disscussion.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by driver4t4:
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
and one more thing if we want to be succesfull this year .


a good start would be erase CSHD from the map >>>>

another thing if you dont lke the thread, you dont have to visit.... [Smile]
oh yeah and whom likes this thread?
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
ok WALLY let me hear your Long term "OTC/OTCBB" picks. cause i wont hold PINKS or OTCBB'S for a long time not this year, leasson learn in 2006.

The only OTC i did hold for 3 months was CPNLQ and i have my reward.


[Cool]

HNIN...watch it head over .80 in the next few months. Setting up to be a big player IMO
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
CKYS(pink), MHUT(pink but filings at end of yr suggest uplisting), PTSC(BB), RKLC(BB). There are others much more speculative. PM me if you want info on these.End of disscussion


am ok with that WALLY [Cool] i will.
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
? To anybody what is the faster way to find out if there is a THREAD already started? , it is hard to look into 5 or 10 pages or more to find a single thread.

TIA
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
NEVER MIND I GOT IT.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
PM Jenna-
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
The market is closed, yet I am at work....figure that one out.

R.I.P. Gerry!!!!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
The market is closed, yet I am at work....figure that one out.

R.I.P. Gerry!!!!!

Good day to research....

and clean the desk.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey frank......
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Here's my research:

Dear Rufus: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
The market is closed, yet I am at work....figure that one out.

R.I.P. Gerry!!!!!

Good day to research....

and clean the desk.


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Here's my research:

Dear Rufus: WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
The market is closed, yet I am at work....figure that one out.

R.I.P. Gerry!!!!!

Good day to research....

and clean the desk.


LOL Doni!!

I meant researching something else....

nothing to do here....
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
Here are my CSHD 2007 Predictions:

Rufus will pop up from time to time saying things like 'Godspeed' and 'we're still gonna make it'. Meanwhile he will face class action lawsuits from disgruntled investors and possible criminal action from the SEC. He will not sail away to the sunset as easily as some think in my opinion.

Sabra, Ben and all of the people who 'worked' for this 'company' will never be heard from again.

John 'Tut' Arlitt will not be able to prove the bonds are owned by CSHD, even though he will do his best to try and show some 'assets'. He may try and make a deal to at least get CSHD to the pink sheets, but this won't happen for 6 months at least. Once there he may turn it over to another CEO, or try another attempt to pump it back up. Either way CSHD will not trade on the OTCBB in 2007 - if ever again.

The pps will sink to the sub-penny range as the last longs finally take their losses.

The Good News for CSHD?: There is none, sorry!

Of course these are all my opinion.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Wow! An Uncle Smelly sighting!

Well if history repeats itself... then we are in a good spot. Because usually Uncle Smelly throws in the towel on CSHD tells everyone he is done here and never comming back... and then there is a huge rebound and he is back and happy again.

He just said this is a wash... so the rebound must be HUGE!

HAHA!!

Good morning everyone. New Year is here the large doses of Champaign have cleared the cob webs, and I have already tossed my "resolution" to the wind. Good news is when the dust cleared both my Chiefs and my Colts were in the play-offs, and SEC and Big 12 had a rough bowl season. Woo Hoo let's see what Jan 8th brings. The Big 10 will rise again!. Go Buckeyes.

My speculations for CSHD in 2007... I have no idea but it would be nice to see justice one way or another.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Uncle Smelly who is going to take their losses that already hasn't??

My guess is that whoever held up to this point will ride it right into the 000000's.

Thats my plan anyway.

I am prepared for a total loss.

From what I understand from reading,selling is next to impossible anyway.

God only knows what will happen at this point and the future never lies!!
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Pretty bleak Uncle Smelly.....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
a surfer ~ You are absolutely right anyone with any thought that this stock is dead is already out. Getting the tax write-off is no vindication but it is the way to play a stock which in your opiion has no possible rebound. If a person's perspective is one of Doom and Gloom then they would have had no other choice than to sell by last Friday.

I look forward to this year. I on the other hand placed over 15 buy orders on CSHD on Friday trying to hit that magic number of shares and price that would give me some real cheap shares.

I had no bites on any of them. If people were selling... then the brokers were soaking them up because they left nothing not even a nibble for me.

I think we are watching several small brokers at work here making some pocket change off this stock. Buying for 0.05 and 0.07 and holding or selling for 0.12 and 0.13.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
The total silence which some call good is a bit bleak to me. It is definitely time to hear something from Arlitt. In my opinion he has taken the rest of us out of the loop, now that his TUT pump campaign is a thing of the past and is just looking out for him. I know he said otherwise, but I don't see it.
I can't understand why anybody would want their billion dollar bond tied up in a case of lack of proof for months on end.
This is my first gripe of the year on Allstocks.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Comments on the Stock Option Rule reversal just go to show how much chit the SEC is getting themselves into by playing favorites rather than overseer.

Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., incoming chairman of the House Finance Services Committee, condemned "both the substance and procedure" of the rule reversal.

He called for congressional action to rein in executive pay.

While we really disagree on his "cure," an arrogant corporate America with the SEC in its back pocket is asking for trouble.


http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/archive/s_486313.html
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Go check out the thread Smelly started on the .10 and under board. Truly pathetic. I give this stock 3 months, if nothing by then, I'll believe it was all a scam. GLTA
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
[eating popcorn sitting by watching the show...]
-munch-munch-munch.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Rufus’s last appearance on SPR (the drunk birthday boy interview) it was stated by Rufus that the SEC had told him to go enjoy his holiday and come back next year. He made it sound like he had gotten all he was going to get out of them for a while and according to him, that John A was about to learn the same thing. I somewhat took this to mean that Alana Black or members of her SEC team were taking some time off at the end of the year, they were tabling the investigation, and it would not be business as usual in the SEC offices until after the New Year.

Knowing that this is just a hypothetical situation inspired by the words of an intoxicated individual, please take the following with a giant grain of salt. I am expecting some action (let’s hope it isn’t in the form of an action) from them or at least an update following return to business as usual tomorrow. They are the SEC and I don’t expect the action what ever it may be in a timely manner, but I can say with confidence that so far Alana’s office does not seem to be the typical Government office. They seem to work a bit faster and less restrictive than I would have expected, many reasons I also am of the opinion that they “just may have jumped the gun” on this particular case.

EOY is a tough time for any organization to conduct business with all the vacation time planned. Welcome back. New Year = new business. Somebody send in the “ring girl” ding ding... next round please.

Chart pass the popcorn! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
Im back from my TRIP!!! it was GREAT!!! woohooo!!
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
Im back from my TRIP!!! it was GREAT!!! woohooo!!

Had a nice time at the Health Care Center???

[Big Grin] [Big Grin]
I HAD to!! ha ~
[Smile]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Wow!!! We have had extremely low volume today but still maintained 0.12 on "No News".

This stock is showing some AMAZING strength for a Tuesday. [Big Grin] [Wink] [Eek!] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
From HSM:

Unfortunately...information received recently from two realiable individual/s indicates that the law firm named in the November 30th 2006 press release, Fields, Howell, Athans & McLaughlin, based in Atlanta DOES NOT currently represent CSHD and HAS NOT represented CSHD since MID-DECEMBER.

If anyone has access to Porterfield and the shareholder committee group they should be alerted ASAP and request an explanation from CSHD and determine if the company has engaged new legal counsel recently !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The information just relayed regarding the law firm can be verified by contacting: Terry Howell....404-214-1253 [telephone]....404-214-1251 [fax] or email to........thowell*fieldshowell.com

All I can say at this point and please pardon me -- is SON UV UH BEACH !!!!!!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Rufus on SUBPENNY with ben. WTF
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
must be a rerun. kinda shocked me.

I was tuning in to hear ONGO CEO interview at 8 p.m.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 

 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
It looks to be a repeat. or replay. Talking about the Berlin market.

This is also from HSM:

Originally Posted by carla35ever
IF this is true - then a possible explanation would be that this law firm was hired to deal with Rufus. They would no longer be needed if Rufus is now being cooperative. And that the law firm hired to deal with the SEC, which has not yet been announced is still hard at work for us. Just a thought.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
SNP on HSM seems pretty confident.

from HSM again:

Today, 08:11 PM #4960
SNP
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 136 Good evening everyone. Well, we start at midweek in the morning due to this being a Federal shutdown day. We will start where we would have started this morning. Surely all of us know by now there is a PR waiting for the dots to be connected. The dots will be a surprise, and the dots are being connected. Even though we start at midweek, it is going to be a good week.
The surface seems smooth because we can't see what is happening beneath, the surge and swells are moving, and they run deep. Have a good evening, and I will be back in the morning. Goodnight.
Dr. J
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
SNP on HSM seems pretty confident.

from HSM again:

Today, 08:11 PM #4960
SNP
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 136 Good evening everyone. Well, we start at midweek in the morning due to this being a Federal shutdown day. We will start where we would have started this morning. Surely all of us know by now there is a PR waiting for the dots to be connected. The dots will be a surprise, and the dots are being connected. Even though we start at midweek, it is going to be a good week.
The surface seems smooth because we can't see what is happening beneath, the surge and swells are moving, and they run deep. Have a good evening, and I will be back in the morning. Goodnight.
Dr. J

dont you know these people know nothing..its entertainment for them.
 
Posted by jgygli on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
SNP on HSM seems pretty confident.

from HSM again:

Today, 08:11 PM #4960
SNP
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 136 Good evening everyone. Well, we start at midweek in the morning due to this being a Federal shutdown day. We will start where we would have started this morning. Surely all of us know by now there is a PR waiting for the dots to be connected. The dots will be a surprise, and the dots are being connected. Even though we start at midweek, it is going to be a good week.
The surface seems smooth because we can't see what is happening beneath, the surge and swells are moving, and they run deep. Have a good evening, and I will be back in the morning. Goodnight.
Dr. J

He/She has claimed several times there is a PR to come the next day and nothing.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I think they just post for entertainment. That is a good explaination.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I talked to the PR firm weeks ago and they said there were PR's on the way. Must be a standard answer. Maybe SNP talked to them.
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
LOL
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by jgygli:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
SNP on HSM seems pretty confident.

from HSM again:

Today, 08:11 PM #4960
SNP
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 136 Good evening everyone. Well, we start at midweek in the morning due to this being a Federal shutdown day. We will start where we would have started this morning. Surely all of us know by now there is a PR waiting for the dots to be connected. The dots will be a surprise, and the dots are being connected. Even though we start at midweek, it is going to be a good week.
The surface seems smooth because we can't see what is happening beneath, the surge and swells are moving, and they run deep. Have a good evening, and I will be back in the morning. Goodnight.
Dr. J

He/She has claimed several times there is a PR to come the next day and nothing.
SNP- LP640- everyone has their own sources for the information, some just take it upon themselves in sharing it with the rest of the board.

Some sources are legit, others are suspect. Either way a lot of different people from different circles all hear the same rumors from different sources.

The problem with sharing what you hear with people publicly on the board does just what everyone else does- they crucify if for some reason unforseen by the business and the folks involved things get moved back.

Its not to say that person is FOS or a liar- just that its business. Folks expect Nostradamus to step on the message board and call shots 100%?

Everyone is just antsy in their pantsy regarding this stock. Causes a lot of emotional stir if things don't go according to the projected plan.

So just take the sharing of rumors fwiw- rumors. Don't base your exit strategy on a stock or any business on something you hear from someone who slept with the janitor of the cousin that runs the penny stock company. Just take it in as free information.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
SNP on HSM seems pretty confident.

from HSM again:

Today, 08:11 PM #4960
SNP
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Texas
Posts: 136 Good evening everyone. Well, we start at midweek in the morning due to this being a Federal shutdown day. We will start where we would have started this morning. Surely all of us know by now there is a PR waiting for the dots to be connected. The dots will be a surprise, and the dots are being connected. Even though we start at midweek, it is going to be a good week.
The surface seems smooth because we can't see what is happening beneath, the surge and swells are moving, and they run deep. Have a good evening, and I will be back in the morning. Goodnight.
Dr. J

Sounds like TUT! Godspeed!
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
The BS just keeps piling up in here.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
The BS just keeps piling up in here.

Funny...but sadly true!
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Its going to really start piling lol-
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Another day... do you know where your dollar is? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Morning folks. So there will definitely be a PR today right?????? I need some 100% accurate information [Big Grin]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
.15 she is moving up???
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
on massive volume!!!!

Almost $1500 so far [Confused]
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
it dropped about 20% on a $60 transaction WOOHOOO!!!!

Man I wish we could get an MM.
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
A successful, prosperous 2007 to all! ... been busy with the holidays ... waiting and patience is the key now ... GLTA!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
FWIW
I emailed the firm and received an email this morning stating that the firm no longer represents CSHD.


quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
From HSM:

Unfortunately...information received recently from two realiable individual/s indicates that the law firm named in the November 30th 2006 press release, Fields, Howell, Athans & McLaughlin, based in Atlanta DOES NOT currently represent CSHD and HAS NOT represented CSHD since MID-DECEMBER.

If anyone has access to Porterfield and the shareholder committee group they should be alerted ASAP and request an explanation from CSHD and determine if the company has engaged new legal counsel recently !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The information just relayed regarding the law firm can be verified by contacting: Terry Howell....404-214-1253 [telephone]....404-214-1251 [fax] or email to........thowell*fieldshowell.com

All I can say at this point and please pardon me -- is SON UV UH BEACH !!!!!!


 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Hahaha, love it.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
FWIW
I emailed the firm and received an email this morning stating that the firm no longer represents CSHD.


quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
From HSM:

Unfortunately...information received recently from two realiable individual/s indicates that the law firm named in the November 30th 2006 press release, Fields, Howell, Athans & McLaughlin, based in Atlanta DOES NOT currently represent CSHD and HAS NOT represented CSHD since MID-DECEMBER.

If anyone has access to Porterfield and the shareholder committee group they should be alerted ASAP and request an explanation from CSHD and determine if the company has engaged new legal counsel recently !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The information just relayed regarding the law firm can be verified by contacting: Terry Howell....404-214-1253 [telephone]....404-214-1251 [fax] or email to........thowell*fieldshowell.com

All I can say at this point and please pardon me -- is SON UV UH BEACH !!!!!!


Fantastic.
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
I wonder why we can't seem to keep a lawyer. Perhaps we are not paying them?????
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
Oh well whatever.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
It could be that they simply hired this firm to take a look at the way Tut was "voted" in and Rufus out...The PR stated that they were hired...and that CSHD was still looking for another law firm for the SEC stuff...
Perhaps the "hired" firm has completed their job and is done...just a thought...

Still wish "the powers that be" would completely shut this down or let it get back to the "normal trading"

quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
I wonder why we can't seem to keep a lawyer. Perhaps we are not paying them?????


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I think you are looking in the right direction 10of13.

The Law Firm was confirmed to have some specialization in "Class Action" cases. The Law Firm may have been put in place to get Rufus's attention. The time line for the Law Firms departure does match up with rumors that Ben and Rufus were "still" working for the "shareholders".

John may have decided that a class action was not the current course of action based on some form of co-opperation following the take over.

It was stated that the SEC stuff was not their focus.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
what do u guys think of DKAM????
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
The volume on this today is horrible... and it is not because there are no buy orders. I have three in right now at 0.10 with different sizes, none are AON and they have been open all day. Not a single bite.

Can you say we are at a stand still because no one else is selling?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
i cant believe ur buying more of this
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
The volume on this today is horrible... and it is not because there are no buy orders. I have three in right now at 0.10 with different sizes, none are AON and they have been open all day. Not a single bite.

Can you say we are at a stand still because no one else is selling?

No one is doing anything on this Taxback. I really don't know how much more "dead" a stock can be: on the greys, no mm's, SEC investigation, New CEO is MIA, Old CEO is a BS'er. CSHD is just a nonsense stock right now, what you all don't get is that the 'run' here is over.

It ran from .04 (for the lucky) to $4 in a few months. That was a fantastic pump job by Rufus et al. But it's over. I tend to think that most of everyone still here simply didn't grab a chair in time when the music was stopped by the SEC.

That's the OTBCC for ya ! But it's a New Year, with New opportunites to make money back - and then some.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Did you not read what I wrote... I can't buy more of this.

I hear a few people saying they are getting filled, but honestly it is very frustrating. Nothing... nada
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Did you not read what I wrote... I can't buy more of this.

I hear a few people saying they are getting filled, but honestly it is very frustrating. Nothing... nada

YES I READ WHAT U WROTE, point is u still have the intention...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I got my chair Uncle Smelly... I am not hurting on this one. I just want some more. I unlike you do not see "death".

I want some cheap shares. Heck I don't even want to pay 0.10 for them but if I am not getting filled at 0.10 I am sure as hell not going to get filled at 0.05 or 0.01 today. (maybe next week)

Anyway, it is a good thing that I don't base my decisions off of message board posts. It is just doom and gloom around here with all our new friends.
 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
Tax,
Other than 10of13, I am not aware of anyone that has been able to buy this stock as of late. But, obviously, someone is.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
The last time I bought this was before December 18th...BUT I have also been trying to sell since then...and NOTHING!

BTW...when I bought these? It was filled in partials...and I have had the sells in at .20, .15, .12 and .10 since before Christmas...and nothing...they have sat there...and never been sold...
I think that it was Tim that was also trying to sell and nothing...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
MTPromises ~ I hear you. I have really been trying and watching the trading just dance all around me. I hear that if I raise my price to well above the current... it will eventually go. I have not done this, because I don't want anymore at that price level.

If news comes out then I will chase but not while they are silent and the price is slowly falling. I want the cheapest I can get. Which is appearantly none, even if I go with the last trade of 0.10.

Oh well. I can excersize patience even tho another little birdie is chirping something about a PR.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
For anyone who cares (FWIW) here is the bird chirp off of HSM:

Today, 03:41 PM #5722
toutvientapoint...
HSM Newbie




Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: mtl
Posts: 58 i was told by pm that the pr is coming, i know the poster knows my stand(not buying anymore) it's not pumping for dumping, so i'm hopefull.
__________________
à qui sait attendre.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
Tax,
Other than 10of13, I am not aware of anyone that has been able to buy this stock as of late. But, obviously, someone is.

A friend of mine bought some shares (online) a couple of weeks ago. I dont know if he attempted to flip those shares or not.

Anyway, why are the "heroes" (not you MT, just replied to your post [Smile] ) still hanging out in this thread?!? We get it, you all feel that this stock is dead and people lost money. Yes, a lot of people lost money, a lot of people did not. If shareholders are still holding today i think you can all expect those same shareholders to be holding tomorrow, and possibly weeks after that in hopes that something might still spark. IMO these shareholders are either A: Not currently in the red or B: Far enough in the red they wont sell until they know FOR SURE to take the loss.

Honestly, why cant some of you people just leave the CSHD shareholders alone?! Yes, im still a shareholder and i havent decided my next course of action...except investing in other things while i wait.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Because I want this thread to die! It is like a big dent on my shiny new BMW!

Get it the F outta here!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
No... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Because I want this thread to die! It is like a big dent on my shiny new BMW!

Get it the F outta here!

We love you too... [Smile]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Hey, today was like the good old days with the end of day run.

Finished up .01 today (I'm rich) [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Repo?
I am sorry that you are cranky because of the dent in your car...
why don't you try not looking at "it"... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
funniest part was rufus telling no1 to sell, to get their certs, said if u sell u dont get the 6 shares....wow what an azzhole...glad i only have a few hundreds in this...someo of u should definately be knocking on doors...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Because I want this thread to die! It is like a big dent on my shiny new BMW!

Get it the F outta here!

hey repo? the more you post on this? the more it comes to the top...

LOL... BMW? haha, don't you mean a dent on your rusted out Chevy Silverado....
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:

I think that it was Tim that was also trying to sell and nothing...

Yep off an on for days with prices all across the board on buying and selling both... and i managed to get filled for a buy order of 100 shares.

That alone raises eyebrows to me but still a gamble.. Not enough left to care about, ive wasted more on $5 slot machines at Gila River Casino than I have left in CSHD. *shrug*
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
Tax,
Other than 10of13, I am not aware of anyone that has been able to buy this stock as of late. But, obviously, someone is.

A friend of mine bought some shares (online) a couple of weeks ago. I dont know if he attempted to flip those shares or not.

Anyway, why are the "heroes" (not you MT, just replied to your post [Smile] ) still hanging out in this thread?!? We get it, you all feel that this stock is dead and people lost money. Yes, a lot of people lost money, a lot of people did not. If shareholders are still holding today i think you can all expect those same shareholders to be holding tomorrow, and possibly weeks after that in hopes that something might still spark. IMO these shareholders are either A: Not currently in the red or B: Far enough in the red they wont sell until they know FOR SURE to take the loss.

Honestly, why cant some of you people just leave the CSHD shareholders alone?! Yes, im still a shareholder and i havent decided my next course of action...except investing in other things while i wait.

Exactly. Myself, I now look at this as a Lotto ticket but better since I don't have to keep buying in order to have a chance. I put it on the back burner and concentrate on the other positions I hold that are still alive. If it somehow comes to life, I win. If not, Oh well. So I say we keep this thread popping and right in the face of all that want it to die. Sorry REPO looks like you are just going to have to try and REPO another BMW that is dent free.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Honestly there is no risk in trying to buy if you ask me. I just place buy orders and who ever is on the other end just ignores them. [Roll Eyes]

People that are hurting from this stock I truely feel for them, but the last time I checked. No one twisted my arm to take this risk with my money. No one hid the fact that Stock trading carries risk. Penny stocks are a thousand more times as risky by nature. Things portraited as to good too be true can and usually are. Rufus even said "don't buy because I said too", shortly after each time he said "If I were you I would buy the crap outta it."

In fact one thing I like about this thread is that since day one several of the posters have repeated warnings like "Do your own DD." and "Do not buy based on something you read on a message board."

I am still comfortable at a significant loss. I will be comfortable even on the day justice is served one way or the other.

CSHD IS NOT DEAD YET. And while it still has a breath it still has a chance. Take a step back and look at some of the many Other/OTCBB companies we are investing in. Take a good look at what they have and their future potential. Look at all the dead companies that died right here on Other Markets... Most had nothing but slips to their name and an idea the entire time. I own some pretty expensive shares of this company, and some cheaper ones. So be it. [Cool]

I from my DD believe that the SEC is not going for the juggler here. If they are, they are doing a lousy job of it. The judge was not immediately convinced. The bonds have value, and Conversion's name is on them and the Euroclear account they may not be able to use them as assets but they will proove to be very useful in getting the company to where they need to be.

Sorry, Repo if you believe this thread to be an eye sore, but your participation is keeping it at the top of list. You and Bruce Springstein are partly to blame for your pain. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
OK Tax, It's not dead. But it is on life support. It will be, IMO, quite some time before it trades on anything other than the Pink Sheets. I base that on the history of what has happened to other companies in a similar situation.

You are correct about what people on this thread stated from day one about doing your own DD and not buying based on what you read on messages boards but there was one other sentiment that was stated over and over again throughout the threads by many different people and that was PROTECT YOUR CAPITAL, take profit along the way and don't get greedy.

I believe that this board has been very balanced. I know that I don't blame anyone for the profits I made or the fact that I rebought at a higher PPS. That was my decision and I'm a big boy.

As far as what we truly have here in CSHD, I'm not very encourged. It's all about the bonds. If no one has recieved clarification after all this time, I'd say at the least it doesn't bode well. I mean how can a company own bonds and not have the paperwork that shows it to be a fact. If they have the paperwork why not just show it to the SEC and move on. Just as we are now on the Gray Sheets I believe the complete story is in a very gray area.

Time will tell.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I am on the same boat as Tax- you make enough off of it to be comfortable with the total loss on the remainder and sit and watch, enjoy the entertainment.

The fun part is that while on the greys its cheap- for a few thou I can not only more than double my position but also lower my pps average to the point where all I need is for this stock to hit north of .28 for a profit.

Should easily bounce higher than that once it moves out of the greys (whenever that is).

In the end- if the doors are bolted and the titanic sinks (which is when I will move on) at least it was entertaining and educational!

Have a good day everyone!


-fw
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
As far as the buying and selling goes I would think there has to be some automated system for the Brokers & MM's to see all the activity even though it is only on the grays. Somewhere would say, hmmm...CSHD never heard of it but look at all the interest, let's file to be market makers for this thing. ???

Just a theory.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
As far as the buying and selling goes I would think there has to be some automated system for the Brokers & MM's to see all the activity even though it is only on the grays. Somewhere would say, hmmm...CSHD never heard of it but look at all the interest, let's file to be market makers for this thing. ???

Just a theory.

No.. that's why it is called GRAY SHEETS.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Morning all... see you are keeping this thread afloat while I was gone. {wink, wink} [Wink] Thanks Repo. [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

Nope I am pretty sure there is no magic machine keeping an eye on old CSHD durring these hard times, unless you consider the AllStock's web server a magic machine.

This thread in itself shows the interest surrounding this little security. I really expect to see the bottom of the volume drop out of this this week unless we hear something. It is a new year, and until some progress is made and shown I doubt many are going to redirect their attention to the John and Rufus show with all the new opportunities sprouting up. GLTA
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yes Wally ~ on life support, in the ICU, with a minister standing next to the bed. Pro-life'rs protesting outside to keep the feeding tube in. and Buzzards circling the skys above...

... but not dead. HAHA!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Don't worry Tax- the nurse is here - I've saved a few lives in the past..... [Wink] [Big Grin]

(wish I could help)
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Any "old timers" know what JA must do with the shares that he owned BEFORE him taking over as CEO? Do those shares become "restricted" or what? Is there some form he must file BEFORE selling? or even before he buys any more?

Anyone happen to know how that works?
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I'm not quite dead...From Monty Python [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
JENNA Help!!!

CLEAR!!!

 -

on life support, in the ICU, with a minister standing next to the bed. Pro-life'rs protesting outside to keep the feeding tube in. and Buzzards circling the skys above...

... but not dead. HAHA!!
 
Posted by falconed on :
 
would someone buy my 362shares for .15? please! i just want out. dont want to lose anymore. its been a learning ride though.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by falconed:
would someone buy my 362shares for .15? please! i just want out. dont want to lose anymore. its been a learning ride though.

Change your order to .015 and it will fill... don't worry, you won't get filled at .015, but probably at .10
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Python that was a classic scene...

The Dead Collector: Bring out yer dead.
[a man puts a body on the cart]
Large Man with Dead Body: Here's one.
The Dead Collector: That'll be ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: What?
Large Man with Dead Body: Nothing. There's your ninepence.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not dead.
The Dead Collector: 'Ere, he says he's not dead.
Large Man with Dead Body: Yes he is.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm not.
The Dead Collector: He isn't.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I'm getting better.
Large Man with Dead Body: No you're not, you'll be stone dead in a moment.
The Dead Collector: Well, I can't take him like that. It's against regulations.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I don't want to go on the cart.
Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, don't be such a baby.
The Dead Collector: I can't take him.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel fine.
Large Man with Dead Body: Oh, do me a favor.
The Dead Collector: I can't.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, can you hang around for a couple of minutes? He won't be long.
The Dead Collector: I promised I'd be at the Robinsons'. They've lost nine today.
Large Man with Dead Body: Well, when's your next round?
The Dead Collector: Thursday.
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I think I'll go for a walk.
Large Man with Dead Body: You're not fooling anyone, you know. Isn't there anything you could do?
The Dead Body That Claims It Isn't: I feel happy. I feel happy.
[the Dead Collector glances up and down the street furtively, then silences the Body with his a whack of his club]
Large Man with Dead Body: Ah, thank you very much.
The Dead Collector: Not at all. See you on Thursday.
Large Man with Dead Body: Right.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
LOL Tax!!!!
__________________________________________________

"Someone grab the CrashCart" (a pull down on the bonds)....

"It's the only chance we've got to save this thing"...

"Make sure we have a a defibrillator on the cart!"
(a nice PR)

"Then we can get the heart of this pumping again"...

..."and for Pete's sake someone hold the Grim Reeper back!" (Repo)..."We need some room in here"...

"ALL CLEAR"....*shock*
_________________________________________________

Will CSHD come back to life?....or has it taken it's last breath?

*****stay tuned*****for the exciting conclusion***
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
362 * 0.15? Hmmm let's see. {digging in pocket}
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
has the songwi website been down for awhile ??

not working...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
With commission fees that's probably less than 45 bucks...barely a dinner and movie....
you may just want to leave it alone and see what happens in a couple of months...

if you want out that bad...try what Repo said...
But what ever you decide...
Good luck....

quote:
Originally posted by falconed:
would someone buy my 362shares for .15? please! i just want out. dont want to lose anymore. its been a learning ride though.


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Driver? i checked it a couple of days ago and it was not working...guess they are wanting to "cut back" and save money....LOL
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well there you go falconed and everyone... Thought I would throw you a bone and put that exact buy order out there and NOTHING.

Sorry, Grey Market is not working the way it is supposed too please come back latter. HAHA!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
And I don't know why ETrade wouldn't jump at orders like that. Heck it is the easiest commission they would ever have. Place the order against a matching sale, collect their commission, and boom everyone is happy.

IMO the quicker they get off this crazy market the better. I would rather deal with Knight sitting on the bid and ask than not have ability to buy and sell at all.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Cancelled that order sorry Falconed. Always willing to throw $50 at a good market experiment, but was afraid some other idiot would try and fill it. HAHA!! I don't really want an odd block at 0.15.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
ok guys im off this thread for good...last person turn out the light... if something happens start a new thread ....lol. but for real though 100 + pages kill it
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Bye trade04...
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
ok guys im off this thread for good...last person turn out the light... if something happens start a new thread ....lol. but for real though 100 + pages kill it

Don't let the door hit you in the A$$...LOL

on second thought......
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I think it will be Repo comming on here to point out how this is not a "Hot Stock" in his opinion. [Big Grin]

Always throwing in the helpful comment to keep this thread at the top of the list.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
What this isn't a hot stock anymore? Say it isn't so.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Well we are having a reunion over at FCCN anyway. Tell Rufus he is not invited.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OT: Chart? where you hiding? You have been ratted out.... [Razz]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Does anybody have this info on Rufus
Home address?
Phone number?
Horse stable address?
We need to talk.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Kevin..that wasn't really called for...
No buddy needs to admit anything...
just because you and Repo decide that a stock doesn't belong here doesn't mean it should be moved...get over it...
If you would have noticed...it was almost 30 minutes since this thread had been posted on...BEFORE you did...which brought it to the top...Do you not get it?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
We can all say meet me at the "xyz" board and we can talk about CSHD? Let's see...where does Kevin bailey like to hang out? [Big Grin]

JUST KIDDING!
[Roll Eyes]

more or less.
[Eek!]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This is a few days old but I found it on HSM & thought it was interesting....

Griff
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 128 Good Moring everyone,
Regarding the bonds, the bottom line on this issue is the SEC will NOT let CSHD use them, period. End of story.
That is not saying they aren't usable, they are, but the SEC says too bad, you can't use them.
As Solo states, we need new funding if we are to move forward and that is being worked on.
This is one of the reasons for the PR delay- nothing to say regarding the funding.
At one time I felt real good about new funding but I a little concerned because it has been awhile since we have heard anything from the co.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna...
I do not believe this "Griff" to be correct. the SEC can not say that a company can or can not draw down on a bond...or how a company can "use" it's assets...

I think this was a misunderstanding of one of Rufus's SPR statements...

BUT...This is all IMO...
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
HAHAHA New thread title should be...
CSHD MAFIA: Pissing off Kevin and Repo daily!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
This is a few days old but I found it on HSM & thought it was interesting....

Griff
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 128 Good Moring everyone,
Regarding the bonds, the bottom line on this issue is the SEC will NOT let CSHD use them, period. End of story.
That is not saying they aren't usable, they are, but the SEC says too bad, you can't use them.
As Solo states, we need new funding if we are to move forward and that is being worked on.
This is one of the reasons for the PR delay- nothing to say regarding the funding.
At one time I felt real good about new funding but I a little concerned because it has been awhile since we have heard anything from the co.

The reason the SEC "won't let them use the bonds" as this person puts it, is that the bonds have been a sham from the start. What the SEC is trying to figure out is who knew what and when they knew it. Do I need to repost the articles I posted earlier about what a sham the "bonds" actually are?
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I can't see how the SEC could keep CSHD from using them if they are real and we own them. That's just insane. I've heard the rumor about the SEC wanting CSHD to sell the bonds to prove ownership, but I wonder how true that is.

Someone posted some bond scam article awhile ago and it alluded to a scam where people would claim bond ownership and then run a flim flam when they were asked to draw on them. Somehow they would be able to get some money. This is the only reason I can see that the SEC would want CSHD to sell the bonds to prove ownership. Can anyone dredge up that article or whatever it was again?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Kevin? You posted something that "with out a doubt" showed that these bonds were really a sham? I didn't see it...could you repost that?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10, I don't understand that either...but it sounds like they've been looking for other funding....if they were to get other funding though what would that mean for us?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna....if they got "other" funding...or the bonds...wouldn't matter it would be "good for us"...
But if you go back in the SPR shows...Rufus said that he had asked the SEC if he pulled down on the bonds would that proove they were real...the SEC said NO we would consider it fraud...

I believe that this is where this "Griff" came up with this idea that the SEC would not let CSHD use the bonds...

part of the problem with pulling down on the bonds is the interest that they get from the bond...the way I understand it is this is allot of $ that would be lost in selling those bonds...

BUT funding from any where would be good at this point....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Whooo Hoooo! closed GREEN!!!! LOL
Green 2 Days in a row!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Whooo Hoooo! closed GREEN!!!! LOL
Green 2 Days in a row!

LOL up 15.38%...
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Kevin? You posted something that "with out a doubt" showed that these bonds were really a sham? I didn't see it...could you repost that?

Didn't say I posted an article that showed it "without a doubt." Since you put that in quotes, I reread my post, and it didn't say "without a doubt." What I actually DID post was an article that dissected the origins of the supposed "bonds" and exposed what a sham they were. Alas, it was from S tockwatch, so you all didn't want to hear it. Something about them being part of a vast conspiracy of CSHD haters or some such thing.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Yes Kevin...I did read their stuff...and no it didn't proove or dis-proove much for me...but yes...did add to the questions... thanks anyways...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
milliam, are you still around? Can you go visit Rufus and ask him why he can't prove the bond ownership, after being so adamant about everything to the point where he didn't even use the disclaimer at the end of his PRs
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Kevin Bailey:
You don't feel like knowing the history of the supposed bonds proved anything to you? What would it take? Perhaps a message, on stone tablets, delivered directly from God?!?

That would be nice but I would still hold...LOL


Guess what...

I just got a letter from Connie Mack in the mail adressing my concerns for naked short selling of Conversion Solutions..
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
http://www.investigatethesec.com/LFDP20060115.htm

interesting read....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
milliam, Rufus mentioned once on SPR during happy hour that the SEC said that cashing or hypothecating (take your choice) the bonds was the only way for him to prove ownership, but that would not be feasible to have them in that form all at once.


quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I can't see how the SEC could keep CSHD from using them if they are real and we own them. That's just insane. I've heard the rumor about the SEC wanting CSHD to sell the bonds to prove ownership, but I wonder how true that is.

Someone posted some bond scam article awhile ago and it alluded to a scam where people would claim bond ownership and then run a flim flam when they were asked to draw on them. Somehow they would be able to get some money. This is the only reason I can see that the SEC would want CSHD to sell the bonds to prove ownership. Can anyone dredge up that article or whatever it was again?


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
http://www.sec.gov/rules/final/34-50103.htm
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
http://www.rgm.com/shortselling.html
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
Remember back when the subject of ICE (Intercontinental Exchange) came up. I think it was something Rufus alluded to. A liitle DD pointed to their office in Atlanta. I went with this and bought some November 30th at 97.90 today it hit 121.40 and has great news after hours today.

Keeping the hope that this MAY still be connected to CSHD somehow???? Makes you wonder.

ICE Announces January 19 Launch Date for Electronic Trading of NYBOT Soft Commodities; Merger Expected to Close by Mid-January
4:39 p.m. 01/04/2007 Provided by
ATLANTA, Jan 04, 2007 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- IntercontinentalExchange (ICE), the leading electronic energy marketplace, announced that it expects to close on its planned merger with the New York Board of Trade(R) (NYBOT(R)), the leading soft commodity exchange, in mid-January and launch side-by-side trading of the NYBOT's benchmark agricultural commodities on ICE's electronic trading platform for the trade date January 19, 2006.
NYBOT's open outcry trading hours will remain unchanged. Electronic trading will be offered around the clock each trading day in the physical contracts for Sugar #11(sm) (SB), Sugar #14(sm) (SE), Cotton No. 2(sm) (CT), Coffee "C"(R) (KC), Cocoa (CC), and Frozen Concentrated Orange Juice (OJ). Electronic markets are expected to be available from 8:00 p.m. ET the prior evening until 6:00 p.m. ET of the trade date. Contract specifications and commodity codes will remain unchanged for both floor and electronic contracts, which will be fungible with one another.
There will be no changes to the current NYBOT exchange fee structure, with floor and screen trades offered at existing, equivalent rates. Market-maker programs for electronic trading will be offered, with more information to be published in a member notice. Access to electronic trading will be available to qualified individuals, regardless of membership status.
NYBOT will begin offering ongoing screen-based training sessions for the trading community beginning Monday, January 8. Wireless and wired access from the NYBOT trading floor will be facilitated. Prospective electronic traders can contact the NYBOT membership office for more information. A list of FAQ's is available on both the NYBOT and ICE websites.
NYBOT will coordinate the enrollment of users for direct access to the exchange through the WebICE screen. In addition, most of the leading independent system vendors have written to the ICE trading platform, and are also expected to provide access to NYBOT products. Qualified algorithmic and proprietary traders with access to ICE and ICE Futures products will be able to access NYBOT products upon execution of an access agreement with NYBOT.
"We are pleased to offer these benchmark contracts to the global trading community on the ICE platform. In working closely with the NYBOT team and meeting with NYBOT members to bring this slate of contracts to market on an expanded scale, we believe we are offering an excellent value proposition to our respective market participants," said ICE Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Jeffrey C. Sprecher. "We are committed to serving the NYBOT community by providing an unparalleled electronic platform and support for the launch of these products."
"This marks a historic and important step for NYBOT, its customers and its membership that has been many months in the making," said Fred W. Schoenhut, Chairman of the NYBOT. "We take pride in being able to offer our global customer base increased access to our exchange. We believe the addition of electronic trading alongside our robust trading floor will ensure NYBOT remains a leader in soft commodities. We appreciate the support of the NYBOT customer community and look forward to bringing out our slate of currency and index products in the near future to continue to enhance our service offering to customers."
ICE maintains and develops its state-of-the-art technology, which has been tailored to serve the global commodity markets. Thousands of commodity market participants in 44 jurisdictions worldwide already rely on ICE's liquid, fast and Internet-accessible trading platform to trade a range of OTC and futures contracts based on crude oil and refined products, natural gas and power.
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
LOL
 
Posted by tompom on :
 
bump
lol
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
No news? and the rumormill has even gone on vacation.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Who are you talking to Repo?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
im selling some shares * .15 if anyones itnerested
 
Posted by falconed on :
 
i have my last 350 im tryin to get rid of at.15
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Jenna you have a PM.


Oh, by the way, BUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Got it Doni - Thanks...
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
your welcome
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? Sent it on...and clear your PM's....
Your full woman!
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
tweet........tweet...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Thanks.....all clear!!!!


Remeber the days when Rufus said "buy the crap out of it"?

Instead of buying the crap out of it, I think some people believe that they have just bought CRAP but.....I, for one, am one of those that BOUGHT THE CRAP OUT OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!

I still think we just may be golden kids...all we need is good news.....anybody with me?


[Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by CRab:
tweet........tweet...

LOL
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yes Jenna I am wit ya.
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
yepa jenna, me too !!! stupid me still trying to buy the crap out of it, only filled 4000 since the grey's but still trying for more... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Yep...looks like I'm "wit ya"...Orders aren't selling anyways...
C'Mon CSHD...Give us somethin!!!!


quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Thanks.....all clear!!!!


Remeber the days when Rufus said "buy the crap out of it"?

Instead of buying the crap out of it, I think some people believe that they have just bought CRAP but.....I, for one, am one of those that BOUGHT THE CRAP OUT OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!

I still think we just may be golden kids...all we need is good news.....anybody with me?


[Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink] [Wink]


 
Posted by MTPromises on :
 
four times today a transaction went through for 0.15 for 100 shares - the only transactions at 0.15 - seems strange
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OK...no green close today...
BUT...
it held...whoo hooo!!!

LOL! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Still in this, just trying to keep myself preoccupied while I wait!
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by MTPromises:
four times today a transaction went through for 0.15 for 100 shares - the only transactions at 0.15 - seems strange

MMs need some shares [Big Grin] [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Hey all...don't know why, but my gut tells me that next week just might be a good one...hang in there. It's coming...just don't know when.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Hey all...don't know why, but my gut tells me that next week just might be a good one...hang in there. It's coming...just don't know when.

My gut tells me that too Matt..... [Wink] [Big Grin] [Wink]
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Jenna and St. Matt, does your "gut" have a name? [Wink] I sure hope your "guts" are right.
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
LOL my doesn't

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
Jenna and St. Matt, does your "gut" have a name? [Wink] I sure hope your "guts" are right.

My gut does have a name - 3 names- all girls..... [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
got2...I think you just "got2" HAVE guts to be in this one....
along with having nerves of steel! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
guts simplified: stomach, intestines, colon.....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
Jenna and St. Matt, does your "gut" have a name? [Wink] I sure hope your "guts" are right.

My gut does have a name - 3 names- all girls..... [Wink]
LOL

Well my gut has just food in it.
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
got2...I think you just "got2" HAVE guts to be in this one....
along with having nerves of steel! [Big Grin]

I guess I have guts and nerves of steel than. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
heres some more reading on how the shorts operate:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/dumb.html

Anthony got convicted of something or other in '05....

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bure au_of_investigation/index.html?query=ELGINDY,%20ANTHONY&field=per&match=exact
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
You hear that?

tap tap...tap tap

Can it be?

tap tap...tap tap

It sounds like a heartbeat....a faint heartbeat
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
You hear that?

tap tap...tap tap

Can it be?

tap tap...tap tap

It sounds like a heartbeat....a faint heartbeat

they say Zombies have faint heartbeats even before they come back to life [Big Grin]
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Hey! I can hear it too! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Well let's hope that it isn't a vegetable after the lack of blood flow and oxygen..there's always hope once the heart starts beating again...
Maybe next week they can remove the life support system...

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
You hear that?

tap tap...tap tap

Can it be?

tap tap...tap tap

It sounds like a heartbeat....a faint heartbeat


 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Man, if this is still the best place to congregate on a Friday night, we MUST be on to SOMETHING

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well... I am here too. Not much to discuss at this point. Holding our breath for the comotose little patient. Sending a card wishing a "Speedy" recovery. HAHA!!
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Hey SIS, check your PM's!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Companies put out PRs for a lot less stuff than this, what did JA do. They working for the CIA now, all classified top secret stuff.
What happened to all our theorists on the big connections these guys have. Some of them should be writers selling novels instead of trading stocks. The little Rufus doesn't know anybody.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
I just got in from vacation in Gatlinburg. Good to be home. Sooo glad to see we are still in the teens. I was worried to see sub penny land with no news after the new year. Looks like I haven't missed anything. Except no guts are talking to me. I'd love a PM from somewith with guts. Happy belated New Year!!
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
My laptop crased and I lost all my book marks. Anyone have the shareholder committee link handy? TIA Have we heard from that at all in last two weeks?
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
heres some more reading on how the shorts operate:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/dumb.html

Anthony got convicted of something or other in '05....

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bure au_of_investigation/index.html?query=ELGINDY,%20ANTHONY&field=per&match=exact

I can't remember if I posted this on the board already but since we are talking shorts, there has been a lot of discussion regarding whether penny stocks can be shorted. Well Lo and Behold here's a list of shortable stocks through Interactive Brokers.

http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/trading/ViewShortableStocks.php?cntry=usa&t ag=United%20Stat...


Name CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDINGS
TWS Symbol CSHD
Contract Type STK
Currency USD
Country of Origin United States (US)
RLA 1
RLM 0
Available Exchanges
Exchanges PINK
Stock Attributes
Shortable Yes
Stock Type COMMON
Contract Identifiers
Conid 40365037
Security ID's CUSIP 21254V100
ISIN US21254V1008
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
heres some more reading on how the shorts operate:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/dumb.html

Anthony got convicted of something or other in '05....

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bure au_of_investigation/index.html?query=ELGINDY,%20ANTHONY&field=per&match=exact

I can't remember if I posted this on the board already but since we are talking shorts, there has been a lot of discussion regarding whether penny stocks can be shorted. Well Lo and Behold here's a list of shortable stocks through Interactive Brokers.

http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/trading/ViewShortableStocks.php?cntry=usa&t ag=United%20Stat...


Name CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDINGS
TWS Symbol CSHD
Contract Type STK
Currency USD
Country of Origin United States (US)
RLA 1
RLM 0
Available Exchanges
Exchanges PINK
Stock Attributes
Shortable Yes
Stock Type COMMON
Contract Identifiers
Conid 40365037
Security ID's CUSIP 21254V100
ISIN US21254V1008

Who is not on the list??? Looks like everything is shortable
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Email Tax-
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
something that I find interesting...on my time and sales from yesterday
16:01:25 a "transaction" of 19200 shares for .15
and there are a few that are 20K and higher through out the day....those seem to be rather large orders for something trading on the greys...aren't they?
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
Driver---I successfully accessed the SONGWI website earlier this week, on Sunday (12/31) or Monday (1/1) (sorry to be non-specific as I do not recall exactly, I was just browsing to see if the CSHD and CSHD shareholder sites had any changes). But I now get:
"This Presentation is not currently Active. Please contact the sender for more information. Thank you.
www.presentationengine.com"
I would surmise that either it is down for changes or that the site has been de-activiated. I hope it is the former.
GLTA

quote:
Originally posted by driver4t4:
has the songwi website been down for awhile ??

not working...


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Got it frank thanks... [Smile]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
something that I find interesting...on my time and sales from yesterday
16:01:25 a "transaction" of 19200 shares for .15
and there are a few that are 20K and higher through out the day....those seem to be rather large orders for something trading on the greys...aren't they?

i noticed that too (yea i might have a cshd t&s tucked away on my screen every now and then) lol
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Very confused today. My Colts are playing My Chiefs in the first wildcard game. Sitting here with my beer chips, HDTV, sporting my Chiefs jersey, and Colts ball cap.

Go Teams!!! I am rooting for a tie. [Confused]

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
OT: Very confused today. My Colts are playing My Chiefs in the first wildcard game. Sitting here with my beer chips, HDTV, sporting my Chiefs jersey, and Colts ball cap.

Go Teams!!! I am rooting for a tie. [Confused]

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

The boxers are what will give you your final decision...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
OT: Very confused today. My Colts are playing My Chiefs in the first wildcard game. Sitting here with my beer chips, HDTV, sporting my Chiefs jersey, and Colts ball cap.

Go Teams!!! I am rooting for a tie. [Confused]

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

That's tough. You can't win or lose. Or in winning you also lose. Tough spot but of course you won't be disappointed just have to cheer for the winner from today on.


GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
heres some more reading on how the shorts operate:

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/8.04/dumb.html

Anthony got convicted of something or other in '05....

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/f/federal_bure au_of_investigation/index.html?query=ELGINDY,%20ANTHONY&field=per&match=exact

I can't remember if I posted this on the board already but since we are talking shorts, there has been a lot of discussion regarding whether penny stocks can be shorted. Well Lo and Behold here's a list of shortable stocks through Interactive Brokers.

http://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/trading/ViewShortableStocks.php?cntry=usa&t ag=United%20Stat...


Name CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDINGS
TWS Symbol CSHD
Contract Type STK
Currency USD
Country of Origin United States (US)
RLA 1
RLM 0
Available Exchanges
Exchanges PINK
Stock Attributes
Shortable Yes
Stock Type COMMON
Contract Identifiers
Conid 40365037
Security ID's CUSIP 21254V100
ISIN US21254V1008

Who is not on the list??? Looks like everything is shortable
The list is long but there are some stocks that aren't shortable. THe main purpose of posting is the fact that here is confirmation that penny stocks can be shorted. I think we can now put that issue to bed.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Go Colts! Man it hurt to watch such a bad game. Neither offense showed up for the first half, and the Chiefs barely showed up at all. Glad it is over. GO Colts! GO CSHD! and any other long shots out there. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
OT: Very confused today. My Colts are playing My Chiefs in the first wildcard game. Sitting here with my beer chips, HDTV, sporting my Chiefs jersey, and Colts ball cap.

Go Teams!!! I am rooting for a tie. [Confused]

[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

So funny!!! So how do you feel now that the game is over?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Jenna ~ worked out the way it should have. The Colts had the needed wins in regular season and deserved a post season, Chiefs only got in after a final season win against Jacksonville and three losses by other teams in the AFC. Denver, Pitsburg, and Tennesee all lost on New Years Eve along with the Chiefs final win.

People in Kansas City were going nutts on New Years after the Denver overtime loss to San Fran.

My Chiefs need to rebuild their offensive line for next year. It is just that simple. Go Colts! Peyton needs a Super Bowl this year. They are losing alot of good players next year.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Well Tax- I guess congrats are in order then!!! Did you take your jersey off?

I wish the Bills were in the play-offs ....Oh well next year....

My hubby is a Steelers fan so last year we were happy.....this year I don't know who to route for(is that how you spell it- or root) ...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: Jersey is in the closet... hung up for next year. [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Mods can you please delete my last post. After thinking about it. It wasn't unneccessary and adds nothing of value here. My apologies.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
OK, here's some more "good stuff" on NSing and who is really doing it...

i (and it seems everybody else?) have had a difficult time sorting out who is responsible for the actual "creation" of the "counterfeit" shares, but i am sure that the only ones who can VERIFY the existence/validity of a share is YOUR BORKER.

“Phantom” stock shares lead to civil suit

By Wayne Jett
Pasadena Star-News
June 16, 2006

Two class action lawsuits filed by hedge funds in Manhattan federal court indicate major problems in U.S. stock markets. The hedge funds blame big brokerage firms for failing to deliver shares of stock "sold short" by the hedge funds. The problem: buyers who paid for shares didn't get the stock, but don't know it.

The hedge funds - Electronic Trading Group LLC and Quark Fund LLC - say they were swindled by their "prime brokers," including Merrill Lynch, Banc of America Securities, Goldman Sachs, Lehman Brothers, Citigroup, Bear Stearns and Morgan Stanley. ETG and Quark allege their prime brokers conspired to charge very high fees for securities lending services and to fail-to- deliver (FTD) shares required by law for "short sale" purposes.

In separate suits, ETG and Quark allege the conspiracy also defrauded other hedge funds in the same way over a period of years. They ask the court to certify a class of all such hedge funds so all may recover damages.

The prime brokers may implicate the hedge funds in the FTDs. But filing of the suits is unlikely unless many shares sold remain undelivered.

If that is true, many buyers have paid for shares they never received from short-selling hedge funds. Some of these buyers have resold the shares to others, not knowing they had no shares to deliver. Hedge funds have billions in assets and are active traders. The number of "phantom" shares may be very large.

How this could occur in the heavily regulated U. S. securities markets is unclear. SEC regulations require shares to be delivered within three days after trade (T+3), when funds are paid (cleared) and shares delivered (settled). Most clearing and settling is done through Depository Trust & Clearing Corp. (DTCC), a private firm organized and controlled by the securities industry.

SEC regulations permit shares to be "sold short" o


http://www.rgm.com/articles/pasadenastar-news.html
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
New week...let's hope for news...!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
What does all the naked shorting have to do with Conversion Solutions claiming billions in bonds and not proving ownership when neccessary? Thats all that matters to me right now.
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
I thought I'd drop by and see how everyone's doing. I see the status quo prevails well I hope everyone had a nice holiday season. Sorry I haven't been posting to much just been a little busy
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
What does all the naked shorting have to do with Conversion Solutions claiming billions in bonds and not proving ownership when neccessary? Thats all that matters to me right now.

Since it was a toppic of disccussion throughout the threads and there isn't anything else to report concerning CSHD. A little update doesn't hurt anything. Something to occcupy time until the company decides to let us in on what is happening.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
What does all the naked shorting have to do with Conversion Solutions claiming billions in bonds and not proving ownership when neccessary? Thats all that matters to me right now.

Since it was a toppic of disccussion throughout the threads and there isn't anything else to report concerning CSHD. A little update doesn't hurt anything. Something to occcupy time until the company decides to let us in on what is happening.

GLTA
Wally

Thanks Wally! Yes, we need something to pass the time AND remember shortsellers were one of the reasons we bought this to begin with.

I'm curious though, I wonder if there are more shorts now at .13 than there were before?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
What is this?

01/03/2007 10:28 ET - PQL Research: PQL ****: 2006 Year-End Report Card (CSHD, USXP, EBOF) - M2 Communications
12/27/2006 20:03 ET - CSHD: Short Interest DN 82.2% to 315.5K in Dec 2006 - Knobias


Here is the link...

http://www.otcbb.com/asp/Info_Center.asp
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Don't know...what is it? Looks like a stock chart...but of what company?

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
What is this?

01/03/2007 10:28 ET - PQL Research: PQL ****: 2006 Year-End Report Card (CSHD, USXP, EBOF) - M2 Communications
12/27/2006 20:03 ET - CSHD: Short Interest DN 82.2% to 315.5K in Dec 2006 - Knobias


Here is the link...

http://www.otcbb.com/asp/Info_Center.asp


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I would think that most of the short interest has covered by now. When this first started out as FHAL I believe we were in the 8 to 10 cent range. I doubt there was much of a short position at that point. Those that were able to short at a higher PPS, you would think would take the profit and cover. No shorts aren't the problem anymore. Look at the last post from Jenna. the 82% difference shows that most have already covered.

And to think all it took was an SEC investigation and delisting to take care of the short covering problem. Go figure.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
What is this?

01/03/2007 10:28 ET - PQL Research: PQL ****: 2006 Year-End Report Card (CSHD, USXP, EBOF) - M2 Communications
12/27/2006 20:03 ET - CSHD: Short Interest DN 82.2% to 315.5K in Dec 2006 - Knobias

Here is the link...

http://www.otcbb.com/asp/Info_Center.asp

You have to go the the short interest section of the OTCBB and enter CSHD and this is what comes up.

CONVERSION SOL HLDGS (CSHD) OTC Type: Other-OTC

Short Interest for December 2006
Short
Interest 315,480


Percent Change (82.17)

Share Volume Average Daily 645,424

Days to Cover 1.00
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
What is this?

01/03/2007 10:28 ET - PQL Research: PQL ****: 2006 Year-End Report Card (CSHD, USXP, EBOF) - M2 Communications
12/27/2006 20:03 ET - CSHD: Short Interest DN 82.2% to 315.5K in Dec 2006 - Knobias


Here is the link...

http://www.otcbb.com/asp/Info_Center.asp

That means that all those nasty shorts that Glassman keeps crying about - 82% of them have covered... no more short position, no more short squeeze.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Legal shorts-not the Naked.....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
that still leaves 18% that have not been covered...

And what was the real short #....

Still plenty out there.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
What is this?

01/03/2007 10:28 ET - PQL Research: PQL ****: 2006 Year-End Report Card (CSHD, USXP, EBOF) - M2 Communications
12/27/2006 20:03 ET - CSHD: Short Interest DN 82.2% to 315.5K in Dec 2006 - Knobias


Here is the link...

http://www.otcbb.com/asp/Info_Center.asp

That means that all those nasty shorts that Glassman keeps crying about - 82% of them have covered... no more short position, no more short squeeze.
hey repo...


we know theres a problem with FTD's... i have no problem with legal shorting... the threshold failure to deliver stocks are listed every day by the NASD... right here:
http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/aspx/regsho.aspx

in case you need reminding? the FTD threshold was exceeded on CSHD for weeks...

there is a big difference between FTD (naked shorts) and regular shorts...
BTW? you need to get away from the dishonesty thing. it'll come back to haunt you...

[ January 08, 2007, 23:17: Message edited by: glassman ]
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
post from hsm..


Originally Posted by DADDO
BUMP-----

TO: Mark Porterfield,
Chairman
CSHD SHC

FROM: CSHD shareholder of record listed on NOBO list

RE: Line of Communication to relay topics of interest to CSHD

With all due respect, if you are still involved with the CSHD shareholder's committee please surface and provide some line of communication. I hope you read this thread or that someone who knows you can relay this message.

How is it planned for shareholders to forward concerns to this SHC? There is no email for you or any other member of the SHC as yet or any other means of communication that I am aware of for the SHC or the company.

For that matter, who else is involved in the SHC besides you?
According to your last update on 12/22/06.."The SHC will continue to request information from the company on topics of interest to the shareholders."

I and other shareholders that I know have questions that we feel should be forwarded to the company NOW due to the fact that the Atlanta law firm has not represented CSHD since mid December.

If the company can't answer the specific questions we will understand. However, there is no valid reason IMO why there has not been some form of communication by the SHC via the company to update shareholders as to whether a NEW law firm is involved to handle CSHD corporate and litigation matters or to confirm whether a specific SEC specialist type law firm has been engaged.

I sincerely hope there has been legal counsel engaged by CSHD for a long time helping to gather evidence of the apparent illegal shorting activity affecting CSHD and all shareholders. Perhaps there is legal counsel involved and they have been working in secret for a specific reason.

It does seem encouraging that an attorney appears to still be involved with the on-going civil lawsuit CSHD filed against Dr. Mensah. However, common sense dictates that additional
legal representation is needed to help CSHD executives deal with matters involving the SEC, DTCC, not to mention dealing with the NOBO lists and the 800 plus individual shareholders who are not on it.

Best Regards,

DADDO

eom
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by driver4t4:
post from hsm..


Originally Posted by DADDO
BUMP-----

TO: Mark Porterfield,
Chairman
CSHD SHC

FROM: CSHD shareholder of record listed on NOBO list

RE: Line of Communication to relay topics of interest to CSHD

With all due respect, if you are still involved with the CSHD shareholder's committee please surface and provide some line of communication. I hope you read this thread or that someone who knows you can relay this message.

How is it planned for shareholders to forward concerns to this SHC? There is no email for you or any other member of the SHC as yet or any other means of communication that I am aware of for the SHC or the company.

For that matter, who else is involved in the SHC besides you?
According to your last update on 12/22/06.."The SHC will continue to request information from the company on topics of interest to the shareholders."

I and other shareholders that I know have questions that we feel should be forwarded to the company NOW due to the fact that the Atlanta law firm has not represented CSHD since mid December.

If the company can't answer the specific questions we will understand. However, there is no valid reason IMO why there has not been some form of communication by the SHC via the company to update shareholders as to whether a NEW law firm is involved to handle CSHD corporate and litigation matters or to confirm whether a specific SEC specialist type law firm has been engaged.

I sincerely hope there has been legal counsel engaged by CSHD for a long time helping to gather evidence of the apparent illegal shorting activity affecting CSHD and all shareholders. Perhaps there is legal counsel involved and they have been working in secret for a specific reason.

It does seem encouraging that an attorney appears to still be involved with the on-going civil lawsuit CSHD filed against Dr. Mensah. However, common sense dictates that additional
legal representation is needed to help CSHD executives deal with matters involving the SEC, DTCC, not to mention dealing with the NOBO lists and the 800 plus individual shareholders who are not on it.

Best Regards,

DADDO

eom

I agree with this letter to Mark 100%. It appears to me and probably many others that the SHC has to this point failed in keeping us informed. It is not considered "insider information" to let us know who is our legal representation in our SEC battles. Last week, there were many questions regarding the law firm that the last press release said was working for us. The firm claims that they are no longer working for us. I would think that if any of the people on the SHC read Allstocks or HSM (and they should be), they would have addressed our questions regarding our legal representation. When the Share Holders Committee started, I was excited and happy. I am disappointed in the fact that we have had little or no updates over a period of recent time. I also think that reading these two sites, we get "hints" or suggestions that something might be coming, only to find out that nothing happens. I know that most of us are all in the same unbelievably horrible situation. We are at a point where to sell our shares would not be worth it. I think that the time has come for either the SHC or JA to put up or shut up. We need to get some type of update or a "Class Action Suite" must be started. We have been more than patient waiting for some type of realistic update. It's time to sh*t or get off the pot. One more thing....... If Rufus is in any way interfering with our company and in any way hurting our comeback, I would like to see legal action taken against him. Enough is enough. Sorry to sound so harsh, but; something needs to be done regarding our company.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Funny, we are up .01 on 333 shares traded so far today. CRAZY
 
Posted by falconed on :
 
anybody want to take my 350 shares for .14, thanks if you take them and i understand if you dont.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I don't know how to contact Arlitt. I have been trying to get a hold of whoever I can.
The last things I found out was that,
1.According to Alana Black who I talked to late last week, the company has not retained legal councel yet nor answered the other stuff.
2.I also called the CVSU contact number yesterday, I dialed the 1074 number that the recording tells you that you have reached when the 1075 number is dialed. A lady who is the voice from the recording answered the phone and announced that I reached JMS Construction Co. of that same address as Conversion. Not affiliated or owned by any of our familiars. Just a company occupying the building.
She said the recording number is to take names and numbers and that occasionally Randy Mosely calls in and gets the info from the recording. She is very unhappy with the whole setup.
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
the value of the venezualan? bonds may be in jepardy as president chavez goes forward with his plans to nationalize the countries utilities,communication and possibly oil industries. ( assuming we own them! ) FWIW
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It's funny how Rufus was removed from the CEO position, Arlitt seems to have treated the SEC the same way that Rufus did. So from what I see the only point of difference was the filing of the 10K. And getting the E added for 3 days. I haven't heard of many CEOs being removed for a late 10K filing.

1. Breach of fiduciary responsibility by not retaining proper legal counsel to represent Conversion Solutions Holding Corp. in response to a Complaint filed by the SEC in the Georgia Northern District Court;

2. Failure to file timely responses to the SEC's Complaint in Georgia Northern District Court;

3. Failure to file the annual 10k in a timely manner, which resulted in a violation of the SEC Eligibility Rule for the OTC BB, thereby causing an 'E' to be affixed to the Company's ticker symbol.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I don't know how to contact Arlitt. I have been trying to get a hold of whoever I can.
The last things I found out was that,
1.According to Alana Black who I talked to late last week, the company has not retained legal councel yet nor answered the other stuff.
2.I also called the CVSU contact number yesterday, I dialed the 1074 number that the recording tells you that you have reached when the 1075 number is dialed. A lady who is the voice from the recording answered the phone and announced that I reached JMS Construction Co. of that same address as Conversion. Not affiliated or owned by any of our familiars. Just a company occupying the building.
She said the recording number is to take names and numbers and that occasionally Randy Mosely calls in and gets the info from the recording. She is very unhappy with the whole setup.

all u have to do is call the clerk of courts, ask whats on the docket..they will tell u nothing... (last time i called was before christmas)....cut ur losses and move to nihk, or not (evaluate risky subjectively)
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Very near my thinking...6digits
 
Posted by maumee river rat on :
 
Hey Gang!!!

How the Hell are ya all!!!

Been out-o-the loop for a bit,,,, I see it apears our little "Gem" is turning out to be nothing more than a "Polished Turd""

BUMMER!!!!
 
Posted by Kevin Bailey on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
the value of the venezualan? bonds may be in jepardy as president chavez goes forward with his plans to nationalize the countries utilities,communication and possibly oil industries. ( assuming we own them! ) FWIW

There never WAS a value. The bonds were fraudulent. The sooner everyone realizes that, the better off you will ALL be.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Funny, we are up .01 on 333 shares traded so far today. CRAZY

We were bored in the stock room and bought those at .20 to see if we could match a buy and make the price go up to .20.......it went through at .13

I suppose you can call it derranged entertainment [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by maumee river rat:
Hey Gang!!!

How the Hell are ya all!!!

Been out-o-the loop for a bit,,,, I see it apears our little "Gem" is turning out to be nothing more than a "Polished Turd""

BUMMER!!!!

[Eek!] You're alive?!!!
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Damn I cannot believe this thread is still going . Someone needs to take this thing behind the barn and shoot it . This play is over and no one won except those that sold at $3.00-$4.00 a few months ago . The rest of us are bag holders . Like they say , money is never lost , it just changes hands .
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Goodones on :
 
Well I will just sit here and bide my time few, 1800 shares. You never know what could happen.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
frank- your mailbox is full.....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
check'in... looking around. Saw we had a rat sighting today. Cool. [Smile]
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Would be nice if cshd went back up, i could use that money to pay for some speeding tickets [Frown] .
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
frank- your mailbox is full.....

k
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Does any one else (if any one else is still here) think the SHC is doing the job that we were told they were going to do? I am totally disappointed. I was under the opinion that we would be an informed group and we would be represented by them completely. Questions sent to them would be addressed to the company leaders and we would get some answers. Has any one been able to reach the SHC?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Doc? I have tried...EVERY EMAIL AND PM AND PHONE NUMBER that I can find and have gotten nothing from all the attempts...Company or SHC...nothing...
It just seems that if EVERYTHING was done that JA would say something...the last that was ever heard from him to my knowledge was a post on HSM...saying that "we would get through this together..."

Seems that it will stay on the greys...
 
Posted by falconed on :
 
i have my last 350 shares at the bargain price of .14. thats as low asi can go, just tryin to get my commision back, i thank you if you take them and i understand if you dont. its been a learning few mths.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
10 ... I wish something would be said. I realize many changes have to be made but even a "We are in the process of changing......" would make me feel a little better. This complete silence is IMHO, the wrong way to go. I am long till the end, but I am totally frustrated with the way we are being informed or should I say, being kept uninformed.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
By saying EVERTHING in my earlier post? I meant...if this stock was done...if there was no hope that JA would/should PR something...

Doc, I agree with you...something needs/should be said...Pr'd...
I'm pretty sure that all agree with that...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by falconed:
i have my last 350 shares at the bargain price of .14. thats as low asi can go, just tryin to get my commision back, i thank you if you take them and i understand if you dont. its been a learning few mths.

Is it honestly worth even trying to dump them? Take your price of 49.00* .14, minus your 12.99 charge from etrade (or whatever it is you have) and get left with 36 bucks......now if you wanted to buy more stock with that 36 dollars you would then lose another trade fee making your $$ value to buy a new stock even less than the 36.00

This is also assuming that you don't get free trades- if you traded on that ratio with any broker to get cheaper trades you would probably be leaving your 350 shares (49.00) to gather dust until this thing heads north a little more or is officially at the bottom of the ocean (Titanic).
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
GO CSHD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Jenna,

I tried to call and you did not answer.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Jenna,

I tried to call and you did not answer.

Hey St Matt,

Have you heard anything at all on the grapevine?

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by falconed:
anybody want to take my 350 shares for .14, thanks if you take them and i understand if you dont.

falconed, did you buy them pre 10/16 ?? if so I can work sumtin out with ya.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Keep the faith guys.....
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Attention: I just wanted to pass on that I spoke with one of the company directors during lunchtime. We did not discuss anything in detail as I knew he would / could not answer and also, I did not want to put him in an uncomfortable or compromising position. I basically just wanted to hear that things are happening and we will be OK. I got my answer and I am satisfied.

He informed me that they are working very hard at re-building the company foundation and future (assets, credibility, and relationships). The company is very much alive and well. Things are happening behind the scenes that will benefit the shareholders. These things do take time and he asked for your understanding and patience. He said that he did not think it would take as long as some posters have recently speculated. However, you never know how things can change in the business world and did not want to predict a timeline.

They are very aware of what we are going through and do apologize for the situation, but they have had a lot to straighten out in order for us to start moving forward once again. They are being very careful to not PR anything until it is something solid and of true value to the shareholders. They do not want to put out a “Fluff” PR just for the sake of putting something out there. They are doing everything ‘by the book’. He said that there are lots of rumors floating around out there and we should only believe information that comes from the company once things start happening.

That’s about it…hope this helps. I know that I feel better!
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Matt,

Thanks for the update.

As most realize the best course of action at this point is still to hold because we are not getting much/anything if we sell. That being the case, small updates go a long way to taking the edge off of waiting. At this point I think im waiting till the end. Whatever that may be or however long it may take. I do expect this to be resolved in 07 however. Thanks again. Can you clue us in as to whom you spoke to so I can use this contact next month. I have all the old phone numbers I think. - CON
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Con,

I am not at liberty to say whom I spoke with; however, you can rest assured that it was someone who cares about the shareholders very much. As a matter of fact, he suggested that I post the contents of our conversation because he does not want people to lose the faith.

quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
Matt,

Thanks for the update.

As most realize the best course of action at this point is still to hold because we are not getting much/anything if we sell. That being the case, small updates go a long way to taking the edge off of waiting. At this point I think im waiting till the end. Whatever that may be or however long it may take. I do expect this to be resolved in 07 however. Thanks again. Can you clue us in as to whom you spoke to so I can use this contact next month. I have all the old phone numbers I think. - CON


 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Thanks St.Matt. I have always felt comfortable with the news and DD you present.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Jenna,

I tried to call and you did not answer.

Hey St Matt,

Have you heard anything at all on the grapevine?

GLTA
Wally

Jeeze Wally...looks like you need to ask a little more often...He answered your request right away...LOL
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
My impression is that shareholder confidence is at an all time low and that any update would be appreciated. St. Matthew, I appreciate your hard work and the time you took to meet with management.

I personally am not satisfied with how CSHD has treated the longs. They don't have to issue PR's or 8-K's, or border on insider information on internet radio shows to keep people in the loop and happy. A semi-regular 1-2 sentence update on their web site or through the CSHD Shareholder committee site would be more than adequate and appropriate.

Just show the shareholders you care. Hell, just let 'em know you exist.

Credibility comes through full disclosure and transparency. It's what Rufus peached, but no one has delivered recently.

quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Attention: I just wanted to pass on that I spoke with one of the company directors during lunchtime. We did not discuss anything in detail as I knew he would / could not answer and also, I did not want to put him in an uncomfortable or compromising position. I basically just wanted to hear that things are happening and we will be OK. I got my answer and I am satisfied.

He informed me that they are working very hard at re-building the company foundation and future (assets, credibility, and relationships). The company is very much alive and well. Things are happening behind the scenes that will benefit the shareholders. These things do take time and he asked for your understanding and patience. He said that he did not think it would take as long as some posters have recently speculated. However, you never know how things can change in the business world and did not want to predict a timeline.

They are very aware of what we are going through and do apologize for the situation, but they have had a lot to straighten out in order for us to start moving forward once again. They are being very careful to not PR anything until it is something solid and of true value to the shareholders. They do not want to put out a “Fluff” PR just for the sake of putting something out there. They are doing everything ‘by the book’. He said that there are lots of rumors floating around out there and we should only believe information that comes from the company once things start happening.

That’s about it…hope this helps. I know that I feel better!


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Job Matt... [Wink]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Attention: I just wanted to pass on that I spoke with one of the company directors during lunchtime. We did not discuss anything in detail as I knew he would / could not answer and also, I did not want to put him in an uncomfortable or compromising position. I basically just wanted to hear that things are happening and we will be OK. I got my answer and I am satisfied.

He informed me that they are working very hard at re-building the company foundation and future (assets, credibility, and relationships). The company is very much alive and well. Things are happening behind the scenes that will benefit the shareholders. These things do take time and he asked for your understanding and patience. He said that he did not think it would take as long as some posters have recently speculated. However, you never know how things can change in the business world and did not want to predict a timeline.

They are very aware of what we are going through and do apologize for the situation, but they have had a lot to straighten out in order for us to start moving forward once again. They are being very careful to not PR anything until it is something solid and of true value to the shareholders. They do not want to put out a “Fluff” PR just for the sake of putting something out there. They are doing everything ‘by the book’. He said that there are lots of rumors floating around out there and we should only believe information that comes from the company once things start happening.

That’s about it…hope this helps. I know that I feel better!

Hot off the press!

lol...

Once again, this "I-heard-from-the-company-but-can-not-tell" is--if true--insider info.

Matt: what does this mean? "These things do take time . . ."

To what do "these things" refer?

Also got a question here; you post: They are being very careful to not PR anything until it is something solid and of true value to the shareholders.

If that's true, why is it you get a response (when so many others can not)...during a time when "they are being very careful to not PR..." ???

Understood? can *not* PR for caution's sake, yet you can post reassuring "info" ...

logically speaking, either you made this up, or someone in the company is not being cautious.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
He did not make it up.....I can assure you of that Tex....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
He did not make it up.....I can assure you of that Tex....

cool...

you understand my point, though, eh?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex?
Can't people speak to a company and it NOT be isider info?
I mean it doesn't sound as if anything was really told to Matt except..
we are working on it...and we won't PR anything until there is info to PR...although...I think in the case of CSHD and all that has come with it...the company really should PR that they are indeed "working on it"...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I totally understand Tex....

Actually- it's a good point....there are people out there claiming that they know info & posting things on the boards & it's actually aggravating to the person that Matt has talked with....

These people give timelines & twist information & add there own spin.....so your point is well taken....

People who post "in- the- know-things" should be asked those questions, Tex....some of these people need to be "challenged"......fortunetly, Matt has actually spoken with someone in the company & that person was careful with what he said, which is a good sign....no late night drunken radio ramblings for this new management- thank goodness.....
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tex?
Can't people speak to a company and it NOT be isider info?
I mean it doesn't sound as if anything was really told to Matt except..
we are working on it...and we won't PR anything until there is info to PR...although...I think in the case of CSHD and all that has come with it...the company really should PR that they are indeed "working on it"...

Sure...I talk to companies alla time...you know that. And the SEC, and the NASD... etc etc...

Usually, I get info simply cuz everybody else is too lazy to make calls...you know that, too.

In this case? peeps have been *CLAMORING* for a response. Begging...pleading, in some posters' cases.

Yet, St Matt gets a response: you know me...gotta wonder why...

"we won't PR, yet, but we'll tell you, boy o boy, we are 'working on it' ..." which somehow gets translated to good news...

doesn't bug you in any way?

Yikes!

bugs me, I'll tell ya...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Bug me? LOL..I have been trying to get something from the company for weeks...and nothin! LOL...BUT? All this stuff that is posted on other boards giving the time lines and super hype?!!!yeah that bugs me...

Matt's post? Just sounds like he called...got no where with the call and posted they are working on it...no real hype the way i read it...
I would be happy if there was a PR from the company...LOL
BUT? Haven't seen ya in a while Tex...Did you have a good Holiday Season?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Thanks Matt, it is good to hear something positive
In my opinion if the mgmnt did or would PR just what they told you it would go a long way toward shareholder confidence. There's been enough stuff put out by other sources that Jenna metioned to make my head spin and my fist clench and my teeth grit etc,. Get the picture.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Jenna,

I tried to call and you did not answer.

Hey St Matt,

Have you heard anything at all on the grapevine?

GLTA
Wally

Jeeze Wally...looks like you need to ask a little more often...He answered your request right away...LOL
THe key is not asking to often so that you make a pest of yourself. I'll ask again down the road a bit.

St. Matthew, Thank You for Sharing.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
You guys have heard the talk that the bonds are no good, no doubt. I was wondering with all the times Rufus said he was putting this business plan together for a number of years now, he somehow overlooked something. The usability of the bonds. And that makes me curious just how long he has beeen aware of that. I can't figure how he could overlook the bonds being able to be used. Us feeling used wasn't even considered I don't think. Or so it seems.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Bug me? LOL..I have been trying to get something from the company for weeks...and nothin! LOL...BUT? All this stuff that is posted on other boards giving the time lines and super hype?!!!yeah that bugs me...

Matt's post? Just sounds like he called...got no where with the call and posted they are working on it...no real hype the way i read it...
I would be happy if there was a PR from the company...LOL
BUT? Haven't seen ya in a while Tex...Did you have a good Holiday Season?

10 writes: "Just sounds like he called...got no where with the call and posted they are working on it...no real hype the way i read it..."

fair enough, but then look at the post following yours which I've quoted: 6 says sumpin like, "good to hear something positive"

helllo?

If the message is neutral, how is that "positive"? see what I mean?

*********

OT: 10 of Misses Me...ya, been outta town on jobs a lot...BUT my Holiday Season was splendid. Oldest child in from Denver--slipped out between blizzards--and she and my other two plus other family (I have the Grand-Champ Sister) made for a joyous time. Trust yours was *at least* as nice...would be fun for me to see those boys' faces light up Christmas morning...I'm sure you & Santa lit 'em up [Wink]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
He did not make it up.....I can assure you of that Tex....

cool...

you understand my point, though, eh?

I do understand your point. I thank St. Matt because he shared and because he didn't give it the big pump like I've seen elsewhere.

The most beneficial thing the company could have done was to put out a PR stating exactly what was reported by St. Matt. It wouldn't really be fluff because they would be stating that they are working on it and that it will take time and it wouldn't be material in that it is making any claims so that the SEC or anyone else could not be upset. Seems like a win win to me but of course you will always have those that aren't happy no matter what comes out.

I just want something that says: Hey we are on the job working to resolve the matters at hand. At his point in time we are unable to provide an exact timeline but are doing everything possible to have it done as soon as possible.

Of course since most of us are unable to sell I guess they know that there isn't any hurry to put something out.

I don't need to be in the "KNOW" boat just would like to have a boarding pass.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
He did not make it up.....I can assure you of that Tex....

cool...

you understand my point, though, eh?

I do understand your point. I thank St. Matt because he shared and because he didn't give it the big pump like I've seen elsewhere.

The most beneficial thing the company could have done was to put out a PR stating exactly what was reported by St. Matt. It wouldn't really be fluff because they would be stating that they are working on it and that it will take time and it wouldn't be material in that it is making any claims so that the SEC or anyone else could not be upset. Seems like a win win to me but of course you will always have those that aren't happy no matter what comes out.

I just want something that says: Hey we are on the job working to resolve the matters at hand. At his point in time we are unable to provide an exact timeline but are doing everything possible to have it done as soon as possible.

Of course since most of us are unable to sell I guess they know that there isn't any hurry to put something out.

I don't need to be in the "KNOW" boat just would like to have a boarding pass.

GLTA
Wally

yup, the company should say it...*not* release through back-channels...
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Tex- good to see you again....even though its normally us bantering back and forth [Wink]

The neutral news to some is good news- it could definately be a lot worse right? It may not be "golden" news but at least it wasn't the grim reaper at the front door.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tex? ..see the point...
It's called desperate! LOL!

OT: Yep missed ya loads! And the red suit fit me quite well! The kids and I had a fantastic Christmas...my marine couldn't make it..BUT he will be home next week...(just in time for my birthday)We haven't seen him in over 2 years and the youngest ones are NEEDING to see their big brother...and yes...Mom needs to also!

Glad you are keeping busy...but don't think that you aren't missed!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
dup post. Sorry about that Chief
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
10of- we don't like to use the word desperate....we like anxiously awaiting a little better lol!

Jenna you have a PM~
Chart you also have a PM~
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OK..anxiously waiting...on the edge of our seats...LOL

Now can i have a PM? [Big Grin] [Razz]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
k
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Matt ..... I would like to thank you very much for taking the time to speak to that person and then relaying back to us in a very professional way. I would think that the people on this site that have been here for a length of time that have chatted with you would realize that you are NOT a lier. Even to insinuate it, I believe is wrong. While I understand the frustration of a lot of us, I know that you are an honest man and you spoke the truth when telling us of your conversation. Once again, THANK YOU.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Tex- good to see you again....even though its normally us bantering back and forth [Wink]

The neutral news to some is good news- it could definately be a lot worse right? It may not be "golden" news but at least it wasn't the grim reaper at the front door.

quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
Tex- good to see you again....even though its normally us bantering back and forth [Wink]

The neutral news to some is good news- it could definately be a lot worse right? It may not be "golden" news but at least it wasn't the grim reaper at the front door.

bantering?

lol...


Seriously doubt there's any "golden" news imminent...

Frank, you understand the concern, right?

So far, no merger has occurred; no bonds have been proven; the debt with Ribostsky's groups (sp?) still stand, as far as I know: given that to work with, what can the SHC say?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Thanks St. Matt.
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
I hear ya tex- you can say in one breath that none of that has occured just like you can say that none has been disproved right (other than timeline)?

If you average down enough and pull out enough $$ to make it a comfortable loss its an exiting ride!

Averaging down with a comfortable loss makes this thing only need to go above .30 to be good..heck we risk that much on a lot of penny plays.
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Matt ..... I would like to thank you very much for taking the time to speak to that person and then relaying back to us in a very professional way. I would think that the people on this site that have been here for a length of time that have chatted with you would realize that you are NOT a lier. Even to insinuate it, I believe is wrong. While I understand the frustration of a lot of us, I know that you are an honest man and you spoke the truth when telling us of your conversation. Once again, THANK YOU.

"Even to insinuate it, I believe is wrong."

I didn't "insinuate it," I posted it as a logical possibility...


hedzup [Razz]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Matt ..... I would like to thank you very much for taking the time to speak to that person and then relaying back to us in a very professional way. I would think that the people on this site that have been here for a length of time that have chatted with you would realize that you are NOT a lier. Even to insinuate it, I believe is wrong. While I understand the frustration of a lot of us, I know that you are an honest man and you spoke the truth when telling us of your conversation. Once again, THANK YOU.

"Even to insinuate it, I believe is wrong."

I didn't "insinuate it," I posted it as a logical possibility...


hedzup [Razz]

Correct Tex, you posted it as a "logical possibility", not an insinuation; however I believe and I know that you do too; Matt is not making up the conversation (you did say that). Its nice to see you back (you grumpy person ). [Smile]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
k time for zzzz- GN everyone!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Matt ..... I would like to thank you very much for taking the time to speak to that person and then relaying back to us in a very professional way. I would think that the people on this site that have been here for a length of time that have chatted with you would realize that you are NOT a lier. Even to insinuate it, I believe is wrong. While I understand the frustration of a lot of us, I know that you are an honest man and you spoke the truth when telling us of your conversation. Once again, THANK YOU.

"Even to insinuate it, I believe is wrong."

I didn't "insinuate it," I posted it as a logical possibility...


hedzup [Razz]

Correct Tex, you posted it as a "logical possibility", not an insinuation; however I believe and I know that you do too; Matt is not making up the conversation (you did say that). Its nice to see you back (you grumpy person ). [Smile]
lol, doubtful you know the least whisper about my beliefs... [Razz]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Good morning board!

This is just my opinion but I THINK that Tex is just trying to make sure people keep it real. As he has reminded me a few times before, there are more than just posters here....there are also readers. Some of those people may have just turned up this week. St Matt posted something that I feel is fact as far as HE is aware. Was he given fact? Who knows. That "other" board has been posting "facts" for months and we know how often that stuff is skewed. Tut comes to mind when i think of that (duck and cover!!! haha).

Anyway, thanks Matt....I appreciate your diligence in this matter. Most probably know that Tex and I may not always agree but i think most of you do understand what he was trying to say...come on now, admit it. [Smile]
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Good to see you again Cat-

GM all!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Howdy Frank. Ive been around, ive just been waiting patiently for some sign of life in CSHD. I got my fill of mudslinging back in the Rufus days so i dont post much these days. [Smile]
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Nice to hear from Matt. But the "We're working on it" BS is enough to make me want to strangle the life out of someone.

We don't need to be patient, we don't need to stop ourselves from being pests, we don't need to "just wait"....

We need to bug the crap out of these people who are running the company that we own until they decide that we are worthy enough to get some word as to what they are doing. A PR stating that the company is not dead is certainly not a fluff PR, it is possibly one of the most important PR's you can get, much like getting a call from a Doctor saying that the tumor is benign (thats not fluff information).

My instinct now is not to give anyone the benefit of the doubt. The SEC shut us down, people were fired and left and whatever the heck else happened. Now there is new management. Release a PR daily if you have to to tell us what you are doing because every day that I don't get a PR I assume that you are doing nothing.

The OWNERS of the company, like myself, deserve some answers.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
I agree with you Donniboy.

I'd like to see some sign of life from the company even if is just a PR that says they understand the concerns of its shareholders and are working on a plan.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Same here Doniboy. Most of us have been saying the same thing for weeks.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I have to say Matt even agrees with you & told the management that we want a PR, anything, just saying that they are working on things, or even things are moving along, just anything, but that's not what the company wants to do....take that for what it's worth, I think we all feel the same way though....we all would like a formal "comfort" PR....

If I look at things through my rosey glasses I could say that maybe they don't want to put out a "fluff" PR right now because they are so close to putting out a good PR with real substance that it would be a waste....

Who knows...so I guess in the mean time we go & make money elsewhere there are a few good plays going on right now.....let's make moohla!!!!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Great work Matt. You're always on top of things!
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
I like your rosey glasses Jenna.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I like your too Doni... [Wink]
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
Hi all! ... been waiting for something to happen like everyone ... Thanks St. Matt for the update!

I believe that sometimes no news may be best until there is "news". IMO what we need now is "this is what happened, this is what we did and this is where we are going". I also believe this may take some time ... hoping we get something in the first quarter if not by the end of January.

Now, if someone wants to sell shares at .05 pps, then I might just pick them up! I remain long and strong with CSHD allthough I hope not too much longer! GLT us all!
 
Posted by falconed on :
 
benn tryin to get rid of these 350 shares for 3 days at .14 jst to get my commish back, looks hopless, lol
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by falconed:
benn tryin to get rid of these 350 shares for 3 days at .14 jst to get my commish back, looks hopless, lol

Maybe better off forgetting about selling them and request the certificates. They may turn into a collectible one day.

No way I would sell just to pay my commission. Let it ride. Remember even if it goes to 0.00 it can keep trading. Look at GWGO or FSMH. They trade millions of shares daily around .0001.. [Eek!]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
this stock is so hot! 108 pages weeeeeee lol....what up ngz and bcthz
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
What's required to start a class action suit? Does anyone know if anyone is working on it? I still have hope, but I lost ALL my expendable money on this stock and have nothin' left extra to trade with anymore. The orig 6:1 promise date came and went (I know all the halt stuff) and JA said we'd still be gettin' them. But until we see them or at least a new date - I think we have legal action to pursue. Then by some miracle if something good does happen, we could drop the case. Opinions?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I'd like to hear from Rufus again to find out what made him think everything was OK. He spent years putting this business together. It seems like he was the idiot. I'm next behind him for not selling for over 3 bucks.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
GreenDay?
how can you get somethin' from nothin'?
At least as far as CSHD is concerned...is there anything that could be done with the SEC? Don't know...Not sure it would be worth the time or trouble...
It seems that a class action suit would cost more than anyone would get...I made the choice to buy...and buyer be ware...

JMHO.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Hey 10 - How the heck are you?
True - Buyer Beware - that why I did only invest "expendable" money. But the company "may" have some assests. Between all the bonds they claim to own (I hope they own them all) maybe one could be seized through a class action. I really have never been involved in a class action or know much about the topic, that's why I posted here for feedback. Are there much cost to all involved? Maybe we could find a message board poster/owner that would take the case. Doniboy's email on the last page pretty much sums up how I feel here at this point.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Oh yea now I remember one class action I was in. It was for the first generation iPod battery replacement. I just had to fill out a form and send it in. Pretty different I guess.

Without going back to the SEC documents, wasn't it really only one bond in question? after Rufus had pr'd like 3 different bonds. I'd go back and look but the kids are waiting for dinner right now. I'll be back later.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
The SEC halt and investigation were on the ownership and control of two bonds in the face amounts of 5 billion and $500 million, issued by the Republic of Venezuela, and the company’s purported contractual relationship with Deutsche Bank.

But I don't think this one was ever questioned by the SEC:
On August 18, 2006, , Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. entered into a Global Funding Agreement #252455779-08122006-LBH with the Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD., a Georgia LTD Foundation.
The funding agreement brings a Four-Hundred and Fifty Million Euro ($579,149,833 USD converted)

I know we have beat these dead horses past their 9 lives, however my hope is that the Humanitarian one was never investigated because Rufas at least proved that one to SEC in those sealed documents. Totally my specualtion. But also the reason I think we could possible get something out of a class action.

OK, that's all from me. I'll go back to my quiet hole now for a few more days and wait with my fingers crossed.

Thanks to all who keep this thread going I read you daily.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
GreenDay? there are some people on HSM that were talking of a CA suit..and thedoctor from here stated that he was about ready to do one...

I am going to give this a little more time...after what 4-5 month? what's a few more weeks...LOL

Please note....I am just as frustrated and disappointed in this Company...AND my own judgement...as most everyone else...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
It has been a sour trip that is for sure 10.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
It has been a sour trip that is for sure 10.

Yeah like one of those super sour gummie worms the kids like...WTH are those things? [Eek!]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
GreenDay posts: "because Rufas at least proved that one to SEC in those sealed documents. Totally my specualtion."

yup...totally your speculation.

RPH has yet to "prove" anything.

Re" those sealed exhibits? The theory that makes most sense to me is that they pointed to RPH personal accounts, eg., bank or trading account(s), or both. Privacy laws being what they are nowadays and all...

For instance, I had an identity-theft problem, but once the bank paid me back? I had no "claim" on the scammer due to privacy laws....

Sucks...but that's the way it is...
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Hi everyone .........I would like to emphasize here that while I have discussed a Class Action Suite with a Law Firm, I will not start one until I have given up hope on what JA and other company people are doing. I am willing to give our new leadership some time to rectify what Rufus left us. I feel a little better after Matt's discussion with a CSHD leader. Besides that ....... TEX is back. It can't be all that bad. [Smile]
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Hi everyone .........I would like to emphasize here that while I have discussed a Class Action Suite with a Law Firm, I will not start one until I have given up hope on what JA and other company people are doing. I am willing to give our new leadership some time to rectify what Rufus left us. I feel a little better after Matt's discussion with a CSHD leader. Besides that ....... TEX is back. It can't be all that bad. [Smile]

lol, t-doc...

what's this?

"a Class Action Suite with a Law Firm,"


is that a headline?

or an ad for Ramada Inn? lol, book me into one of those class-action suites...with a jacuzzi!
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
NEWS RELEASE

http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/070112/0202615.html
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
and on pinksheets---
http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/news.jsp?url=fis_story.asp%3Ftextpath%3DCOMTEX%5 Ciw%5C2007%5C01%5C12%5C87919119.html%26clientid%3D168%26provider%3DInternet_Wire &symbol=CSHD

_______________________________________
CSHD -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
Com ($0.001)

COMPANY NEWS AND PRESS RELEASES FROM OTHER SOURCES:

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. Updates Shareholders on Current Events

LAKE DALLAS, TX, Jan 12, 2007 (MARKET WIRE via COMTEX) -- The proposed move of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD) office to Lake Dallas has been postponed until further notice. The contact for the company is John Arlitt. Email questions to john.arlitt*cshcorp.us. "The company will continue to move forward and ask for the patience of the shareholders. We are working diligently towards building a profitable company and are assessing various options to moving forward and create shareholder value. Our first priority after having reviewed and assessed the company status from previous management's failure and neglect of their duties is to pursue various funding options to resolve all regulatory issues outstanding and bring the company into compliance with all filing requirements. We understand the need for an update to the shareholders but at this time we can only report that we are moving as expeditiously as possible and will release results as they are achieved," stated John Arlitt.
Dated: January 10, 2006.

About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at http://www.cvsu.us/.

Conversion Solutions Holding Corp. Safe Harbor Statement

Information provided in this press release may contain statements relating to current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based upon management's current estimates and projections of future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the date hereof, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.


Contact:
John Arlitt
Chairman, CEO
Conversion Solutions Holding Corp.
Contact via http://www.marketwire.com/mw/emailprcntct?id=E8C05B27E625778C


SOURCE: Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.


Copyright 2007 Market Wire, All rights reserved.

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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Haha, so this is what they meant by "no fluff PR's"? [Roll Eyes]

What a joke. Of course its not moving to Texas, i doubt Arlitt has ever even been to the states since taking over. I cant wait to see how he "pumps" his way through this one.

Please just step down Arlitt. Or, better yet...whomever "pulled off" the removal of Rufus please go for round 2 and yank this putz. Pretty please?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Everyone is getting nuts!

We finally got a PR! All many of us wanted was a "hello" from the company proving they were still out there. We got that! There was no bad news.

Moving on...Has anyone given thought to a class action lawsuit against the SEC? We (the company and all us shareholders) were fine until the SEC stepped in and made claims which HAVE NOT YET BEEN PROVEN. The Halt and subsequent PPS drop is directly due to the SEC intervention so I say if anyone want to start a lawsuit, file one against the SEC! Just because they are the government who gives a crap.

What's the difference between:
1) the SEC not being able to prove CSHD has the bonds.
2) CSHD having the bonds.

If either one made claims which cannot be verified ??

I'm not really concerned about the bonds at this point. I want CSHD to be a viable company on its own merits. The bonds are just a bonus.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
There was no bad news? I guess I personally disagree, but thats ok. [Smile]
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
This is neither good or bad news, nor is it anything new, but it's nice to know they're still alive. Management owed the shareholders at least that- although this clearly is the tip of the iceberg. It's unclear whether they have solid legal council, how/if Rufus is still affiliated with CSHD, etc.

The more blatantly obvious problem to me other than the legal issues; even prior to the SEC problems the Company focused on naked short issues, proving/disproving/discussing the potential of hypothecating bonds and other shenanigans, as opposed to focusing on their stated objective, which was/is to:

"originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market"

Seems CSHD lost its focus a LONG time ago. A real shame.
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Hello people. I asked for a PR, I got a PR. I am just glad to hear that someone still works for our company.

Good news in my book.
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
Interesting that the PR was released so late at night- a friend of mine and I were talking yesterday how we kinda missed checking for news late at night and being surprised at the new outlandish PR that was released. We also talked about how we missed hearing wacky Rufus on SPR- even if he was a little misguided and inappropriate at times.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wow- I can't help but think that the PR was a result of Matt's phone call telling the co. that we wanted a PR....Thanks Matt...& I think that this is a neutral PR & what people were asking for- remember, "a PR, anything- just anything, just say you're working on things" - & that's what it says....whether it's the truth or not we will see.....but I'm glad it was put out.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wow- I can't help but think that the PR was a result of Matt's phone call telling the co. that we wanted a PR....Thanks Matt...& I think that this is a neutral PR & what people were asking for- remember, "a PR, anything- just anything, just say you're working on things" - & that's what it says....whether it's the truth or not we will see.....but I'm glad it was put out.

a pulse. we'll see
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OK..So "we" asked for a PR and got one...

Guess the people that were answering the phone in Texas got tired of doing it...

More waiting...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
JA should just call Rufus on taking the company private again and buying back all the shares at $7 or so. Ya right!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
LOL- 10!!! That's exactly what it sounds like!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Our first priority after having reviewed and assessed the company status from previous management's failure and neglect of their duties is to pursue various funding options to resolve all regulatory issues outstanding and bring the company into compliance with all filing requirements.

This part sounds like they are in the digging up fund phase just to afford to hire legal people to straighten things out.
In other words have got no where yet.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I'd like to know more about the previous mngmnt failure and neglect. Rufus is way off calling other people stupid.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
10 thats right, I called last week and dialed the 1074 number instead of the 1075. The lady told me she was very tired of getting calls for Conversion Solutions, since JMS const is the only business in the building. The other number was supposed to be for taking names and numbers to forward to Randy Mosely.
This Rufus guy has me beside myself with the way he works.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Happy Birthday dad (doc)!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Any good news in the Adairsville, Georgia obituaries today?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Hi Jenna, found any good stocks lately?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Any good news in the Adairsville, Georgia obituaries today?

Holy cow- U R bold!!! [Eek!]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Hi Jenna, found any good stocks lately?

Been in FCCN...don't know if I recommend it...waiting on a confirmation PR about a reverse merger.....been trying to flip it between....a good flipper if your good at that kinda thing....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Hi Jenna, found any good stocks lately?

Been in FCCN...don't know if I recommend it...waiting on a confirmation PR about a reverse merger.....been trying to flip it between....a good flipper if your good at that kinda thing....
OK, good luck. I'm in that DPDW deal right now waiting to see whats going to come of that. Looks like a good established company. Shares are low right now. Hopefully they won't stay that way. Trying to recoup some losses from Rufus escapade.

Rufus did say he planned this for years. Probably did a lot of work on the disappearing part too. [Mad]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Happy Birthday To You ,
Happy Birthday To You,
Happy Birthday Dear TheDoctor,
Happy Birthday to you!


[Big Grin]
Don't I have a nice singing voice?
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
So I tried going to the domain that John Arlitt has his email address posted at. And this is a picture of what I got...

http://www.geocities.com/unkle_rudy/swordoftruth.JPG

Very interesting.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
uncle..I can't make it out...
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
www.cshcorp.us
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
May just be for a company email system or ?
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
May just be for a company email system or ?

Perhaps Arlitt wants to be sure that his communications stay out of the hands of Rufus, who owns CVSU.US
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
More that it says Sword of truth.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
www.cshcorp.us

That must be the official know boat website. I'd like to know how Rufus screwed this up so bad.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Sword of Truth:
if you like fantasy? this is pretty good stuff:

The Sword of Truth, written by Terry Goodkind, is an epic fantasy series encompassing the stories of a diverse cast of characters. Each volume is self-contained, in that the primary conflicts of each novel are resolved within that novel; however, binding it together are the delicately interwoven threads of the many underlying characters and ongoing events throughout the works of this highly complex series.

Thus far, it consists of ten novels and one novella, with the eleventh novel (to be released in 2008) contracted to be the last in the current arc. Although the current storyline will conclude, Terry Goodkind s


i prefer Jordan's Wheel of Time tho... and Goodkind seems to me to have been writing his series after reading Jordan... too many coincidences IMO.. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10, ISn't your b-day coming?

Is your son coming home right on your b-day?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
No... a couple of days before...
It's kinda funny because the little kids made up this big count down chart...and every night we mark off of day and do a lil' dance...
We put yellow ribbons on the trees and all...
We had put them up when he left...But we have moved...although...the old house still has the ribbons up...

and to top it off my Female Leonberger is due to have her pups while he is home...

We are very excited...for all that January brings...hopin' that CSHD will be one of those!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
OOOH- thinga sound great! Good Luck & give that marine a big hug when he gets home!!!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
OT: Since we are still in the wait mode I found a stock that is looking pretty good just wanted to pass it a long. I've done a bit of DD and would welcome anyone else interested to add to it. This is not a recommendation. Take a look and do your own DD.

NMEN Here's the thread

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/16/t/000557.html?#000001

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
And the ride continues.........
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Good morning all...I just noticed the PR from John A. Sounds like someone is listening to us... [Wink] [Wink] [Wink]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I have not been on since Wednesday and was just catching up.

I just wanted to thank those of you who have supported me and my character over the last few days when I was not available to defend myself. It is greatly appreciated.

Those who know me have learned that there has never been a hidden agenda or any fabrication in any of the DD I bring to this or any other board. What I was simply trying to do was restore some level of confidence to those who were beginning to lose faith.

I reached out to and old friend because I felt we all needed to hear something...anything. I discussed this subject with him specifically. The post / info that you all read on Wednesday came with his full endorsement.

There is nothing I can do about those of you who have doubts about the authenticity of my conversation and post the other day. I guess the message was not for you. For that...and that alone, I apologize.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
cshcorp.us is from the same place as

www.conversionsolutionsholdings.com
http://67.15.70.18/
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Happy Birthday To You ,
Happy Birthday To You,
Happy Birthday Dear TheDoctor,
Happy Birthday to you!


[Big Grin]
Don't I have a nice singing voice?

A very belated Thank You [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by T e x:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Hi everyone .........I would like to emphasize here that while I have discussed a Class Action Suite with a Law Firm, I will not start one until I have given up hope on what JA and other company people are doing. I am willing to give our new leadership some time to rectify what Rufus left us. I feel a little better after Matt's discussion with a CSHD leader. Besides that ....... TEX is back. It can't be all that bad. [Smile]

lol, t-doc...

what's this?

"a Class Action Suite with a Law Firm,"


is that a headline?

or an ad for Ramada Inn? lol, book me into one of those class-action suites...with a jacuzzi!

hahaha ..... Suit not Suite .... it must have been the birthday drinks [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Happy Birthday dad (doc)!!!

You are one of the BIG reasons it was happy. [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
I think I am the only one here now ..... SO GOOD NIGHT EVERYONE
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
**side note**

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[PASTED FROM EMAIL]
Hey Frank,

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You know... the kind of number that appears more than once,
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The kind of number that gets you thinking...

What if... ?

Is there something going on BEHIND YOUR BACK that you don't
know about?

How would you even KNOW?

It's a fact that infidelity and "cheating" are frighteningly
commonplace in today's society. A recent survey found that
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Wow.

Now just think of how many people have cheated during a
relationship where the couple ISN'T married-- and it seems
"less harmful" to do so.

It's pretty scary to think about.

So if you've found a "suspicious" number in your lover's
phone, DON'T JUST IGNORE IT. You may end up causing yourself
more future heartbreak and turmoil.

The solution is to DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Now, I would say, "Confront the person and be honest about
your concern"... but of course, most of us would be too
scared to do that. Especially if the number turned out to be
a false alarm.

Right?

So what's the solution?

Well, for starters, you CAN find out more information about
the phone number in question.

Within 5 minutes you could know:

>> Whether it's a cell phone, landline, or pager
>> Who owns the phone number
>> The address history and records for the number
>> Where the number is located
>> And more...

The way to do all this is through a REVERSE PHONE LOOKUP.

Of course, you already know this, right? That's why you came
to my website after all... to search for information
regarding xxxxxxxxxx, right?

Well, I think it's time you knew the truth. Download your
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Posted by trade04 on :
 
Our first priority after having reviewed and assessed the company status from previous management's failure and neglect of their duties is to purse various funding options to resolve all regulatory issues outstanding and bring the company into compliance with all filing requirements


cshd has no cash in the bank....further dilution...DOH! =P
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
Our first priority after having reviewed and assessed the company status from previous management's failure and neglect of their duties is to purse various funding options to resolve all regulatory issues outstanding and bring the company into compliance with all filing requirements


cshd has no cash in the bank....further dilution...DOH! =P

lol I already wrote this off as a complete loss
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
yup...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I wonder where a company like this will get funds to take care of litigations function again? Any guesses, anybody?
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Here is a hint: It walks on four legs and responds to the name “Dark Chocolate”.

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I wonder where a company like this will get funds to take care of litigations function again? Any guesses, anybody?


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Ya that would be the least dark chocolate should do. Good idea, not bad. Is dark chocolate worth enough though.

quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Here is a hint: It walks on four legs and responds to the name “Dark Chocolate”.

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I wonder where a company like this will get funds to take care of litigations function again? Any guesses, anybody?



 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Here is a hint: It walks on four legs and responds to the name “Dark Chocolate”.

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I wonder where a company like this will get funds to take care of litigations function again? Any guesses, anybody?


should i feel stupid for not underst anding this?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Trade? "Dark Chocolate" is a horse owned by Rufus...
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Here is a hint: It walks on four legs and responds to the name “Dark Chocolate”.

quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I wonder where a company like this will get funds to take care of litigations function again? Any guesses, anybody?


should i feel stupid for not underst anding this?
HMMM...

I think it means they are going to take one of rufus' horses and melt it into dark chocolate for all to enjoy......

I love chocolate.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
LoL oooooOO...Gonna be hard to sell dark chocolate..im sure its w/ rufus and ben hiding up in the mountains...
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
Our first priority after having reviewed and assessed the company status from previous management's failure and neglect of their duties is to purse various funding options to resolve all regulatory issues outstanding and bring the company into compliance with all filing requirements


cshd has no cash in the bank....further dilution...DOH! =P

lol I already wrote this off as a complete loss
This was a total loss the instant the SEC halted it. Just takes some people more time to figure that out. Sub-penny will be here by Spring, and then this will fade away forever.

Rufus, et al seem to have already dissapeared...Arlitt? Who knows what he is really up to...

There was a chance to make great $ on this, from .08 to $4. Of course there are always those who don't have a chair when the music stops....
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Perhaps “Dark Chocolate” is a sweet term of endearment Rufus has given Ben Stanley. I can picture that little cowboy slip in Brokeback Mountain, nuzzle up to Ben and whisper, Dark Chocolate “I wish I knew how to quit you.”

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Trade? "Dark Chocolate" is a horse owned by Rufus...


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Perhaps “Dark Chocolate” is a sweet term of endearment Rufus has given Ben Stanley. I can picture that little cowboy slip in Brokeback Mountain, nuzzle up to Ben and whisper, Dark Chocolate “I wish I knew how to quit you.”

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Trade? "Dark Chocolate" is a horse owned by Rufus...


ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey TM!!!! I miss you....you always know how to bring us a laugh...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OMG...yeah...
I'm goin' with this theory!...
Thanks for the laugh TM!
[Big Grin]

quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Perhaps “Dark Chocolate” is a sweet term of endearment Rufus has given Ben Stanley. I can picture that little cowboy slip in Brokeback Mountain, nuzzle up to Ben and whisper, Dark Chocolate “I wish I knew how to quit you.”

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Trade? "Dark Chocolate" is a horse owned by Rufus...



 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TexasMoney:
Perhaps “Dark Chocolate” is a sweet term of endearment Rufus has given Ben Stanley. I can picture that little cowboy slip in Brokeback Mountain, nuzzle up to Ben and whisper, Dark Chocolate “I wish I knew how to quit you.”

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Trade? "Dark Chocolate" is a horse owned by Rufus...


this guy runs away with millions, and all we do is joke about it....lol, hilarious!
 
Posted by T e x on :
 
not
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Is it $15 yet?
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Is it $15 yet?

"soon"
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Is it $15 yet?

to the Moooooon!!

(unfortunely the moon is Rufus' as*)
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Is it $15 yet?

to the Moooooon!!

(unfortunely the moon is Rufus' as*)

Hilarious Jenna! LMAO...

Nobody can say we are not patient, right?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Doniboy:
Is it $15 yet?

to the Moooooon!!

(unfortunely the moon is Rufus' as*)

Do you mean uranus?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I guess you could say that too frank.... [Eek!]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
jenna worse..i fear the moon is dark chocolates azz
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
You are all strange! LOL
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Excuse me Stockstar?...but you are also in the "CSHD" category....LOL
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
FYI.....

MA currently posting on HSM!

Originally Posted by bodi
I don't know anything about that...

I know that all we were told may not be the truth...I rely on the SEC to figure it all out...

I have no comment on whether to hold or not...but just know the majority share holders, the current management and the SEC are working together to straighten this out...


I am THE majority share holder and despite some peoples thoughts...I still have all but 500K of my shares...real as shares get...I have all my certs in hard copy form...
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
LOL

Looks like DP and RPH are also posting there!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
HSM is a friggin madhouse...WTH?!
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
At least we are gettin some answers 10! [Eek!]

Rufus scammed Mike also! [Frown]

They are trying to create their own bonds! [Wink]
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
So what are the answers that you got? I glanced over there but too many pages of cr*p to dig through. Just curious.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
yea...whats going on over there.
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
Nothing much, someone named Bodi everyone thought was John Arlitt or Mike Alexander was trying to fill people in on... who knows what really. Everyone started calling names and he left.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
FHALyess? Or Frank? Do you really think this "Bodi" is MA?
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
Yes bodi is MA-
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
so bodi=MA

now tell us what bodi said that got everyone in a ruckus.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
so bodi=MA

now tell us what bodi said that got everyone in a ruckus.

Basically that rufus scammed Mike, he drank the kool aid, has all of his shares still in cert form except for 500k, and that him and all his people, im going to assume that includes John Arlitt and others are working on getting this situation fixed.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
sounds good if it was true, unfortuantely this is just more of the BS story
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
You should really really really read the thread. Could be a lot taken out of context but between MA and Dave Perley posting up a storm today about the FBI and whatever else they felt like sharing made for quit an interesting day of mayhem.

Better than the usual watching paint dry [Wink]

http://www.hot stock market .com/forums/showthread.php?t=46733&page=238
(remove the spaces)

Some of the good highlights:

bodi
HSM Enthusiast


Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 525 Quote:
You guys kill me...you beg cry and whine for info and when you get it...you whine like little babies about us coming on...I haven't and will not give out any information to trade this or any other stock on...


bodi
HSM Enthusiast


Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 525 I am THE majority share holder and despite some peoples thoughts...I still have all but 500K of my shares...real as shares get...I have all my certs in hard copy form...


bodi
HSM Enthusiast


Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 525 Quote:
Real people getting hurt is not funny. The SEC, FBI...and all the other government agencies are stepping up...I drank the kool-aid too..
__________________
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
so bodi=MA

now tell us what bodi said that got everyone in a ruckus.

Basically that rufus scammed Mike, he drank the kool aid, has all of his shares still in cert form except for 500k, and that him and all his people, im going to assume that includes John Arlitt and others are working on getting this situation fixed.
Igor- if you read the quote it can be taken as having got rid of 500k shares. Weird yes- probably taken out of context but then again.....THATS WHY THEY DONT NEED TO BE POSTING [Eek!]

[Quote]
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 525 I am THE majority share holder and despite some peoples thoughts...I still have all but 500K of my shares...real as shares get...I have all my certs in hard copy form...
[END QUOTE]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
ignore it and sell this pos, its so depressing, i had to get rid of it...i hated seeing it in my account ....

i really feel for the ones that were true longs and never sold..i hope everything works out or at least u get .30 cents a share or something
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stocktrader22:
so bodi=MA

now tell us what bodi said that got everyone in a ruckus.

Basically that rufus scammed Mike, he drank the kool aid, has all of his shares still in cert form except for 500k, and that him and all his people, im going to assume that includes John Arlitt and others are working on getting this situation fixed.
Igor- if you read the quote it can be taken as having got rid of 500k shares. Weird yes- probably taken out of context but then again.....THATS WHY THEY DONT NEED TO BE POSTING [Eek!]

quote:

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 525 I am THE majority share holder and despite some peoples thoughts...I still have all but 500K of my shares...real as shares get...I have all my certs in hard copy form...
[END QUOTE]

Thats what I meant to say.
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
its quite ridicolous this whole thing, when is it going to .0001 so i can write it off...you cant sell on the greys at this level anyways
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
stocktrader...possibly in 5 years at this rate
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
You all think this is silly? You should see HSM- they have Mike Alexander and Dave Perley posting and talking about things from their point of view. This evening is chaotic [Wink]

IMO they are online trying to gain some supporters for the next move. Some take it as gospel....some take it as hot air....if you go in to read the thread don't forget protection:

 -
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
who cares...pump it pump it baby...just get us off of the greys
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:


 -

I love this picture... I am saving it this time. HAHA!!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Hi everyone! Just got back from a 3-week vacation and see the only thing I really missed was chatting with all the boardmembers.

I didn't expect much from cshd so I wasn't disappointed.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by frank021474:


 -

I love this picture... I am saving it this time. HAHA!!
We could have worn those at the shareholders meeting (LOL).
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
A bump just for Repo.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Someone paid .20? and how the hell does a trade of .096 go through on the grey's?

Anymore Stupid Crap from HSM? I read there last night...and the poster called Bodi who claims to be MA had all these "bright ideas" and said that Rufus scammed him...he was back now to help the shareholders? and yet when he had a chance to "help" the shareholders as the CEO...he gave it a "seal of approval" and handed the POS back to Rufas? What an A$$! I understand...he has a wife and 4 kids...and didn't want to go down...But he sure as hell can't think that all that he left would back him up...?

It is truly too bad that this was a scam...and that people were given so much hope...VERY sad...
How ever it works out? I hope that the true scamsters get their rewards...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Can someone just sum up what was said by bodi....?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Can someone just sum up what was said by bodi....?

blah, blah, blah, BS, more BS, I am not a crook, blah blah blah, BS, I am not a crook.

Oh and there is talk about Dave Perley. Who the heck is Dave and where does he fit in?

I think that about sums it up.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
He was scammed by RPH like us... FBI showed up and he gave them all email correspondence he has had with RPH to them. Here is his list of things that he thinks needs to get done...

1. Kill the merger and all the illegally sold preferred shares by Rufus and company.

2. Get the go ahead from the SEC to resume trading on the OTCBB...

3. Get the go ahead to bring new real assets to the company...

4. Bring real assets into the company and allow the business model to work...

He has some 50,000,000 million shares and his wife has sold 500,000.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Can someone just sum up what was said by bodi....?


 
Posted by milliam on :
 
This HSM stuff is pretty crazy. Best thing, there's like 400 pages of it!

Here's a post from sword of truth...didn't we find something like this related to JA?

>Originally Posted by jmsgod
>Repair CSHD
>1 rufus and ben go to jail
>2 bring in funds
>3 bring in JV worth something
>4 raise justifiable share price
>5 make some damn money

Posted by sword of truth
are you on crack?

puppets should stay off the boards dave.

#1 you're basicaly saying rufus and co were able to scam euroclear. that is near to impossible. check the requirements.

you could have said this in a better way without having people to sell. this is just a smokescreen.

honest hardworking people i hope you don't listen to messageboard crap without verifying it.

move on. forget the past. the future is now. there is a very big light at the end of the tunnel
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Never mind...read it...There's really not much there that we didn't guess already....

He basically said that Rufus is a crook. The FBI is on his tail. They are gathering evidence. Mike A. helped retreive some for them. He also said that Rufus does not have a driver's license or passport in his possession. Then he said to figure out why....Well, I would guess he does not have a DL because he is a drunk & probably got caught drinking & driving one to many times, & as for the passport they probably took it from him while they investigate so he can't flee.....or it was revoked because of a past criminal history (not sure if they do that).

Bodi (Mike A.) also said that the co. is trying to find viable JV's (I think he said that)....

someone suggested that CSHD handle Eccowoods assets & Mike's response was: AYE.

Mike said he met John after the merger & he picked him as CEO because he seemed smarter than him (MIKE)....

He also was saying how Rufus offered to buy Mike's shares 100 million dollar at a time....he also offered to buy some of the original investors shares for over $50 / share.

_________________________________________________

That's about it.....
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
More interesting stuff from HSM:

Posted by DADDO:
TRANSCRIPTS AVAILABLE

FYI---If anyone cares. It would be interesting and helpful to know what was said in these hearing..IMHO.

I'm hoping the transcript describes what Rufus gave the Judge in the sealed document and helps to clarify all the bond hoopla etc etc.

The transcript/s of the 10-25-06 courtroom hearing before Judge Cooper where Rufus, Ben and Sabra were present and provided the 10 defense documents to the court --one sealed--is available along with the 11-7-06 In-Chambers hearing where only SEC attorney's were present before Judge Cooper.

The 10-25-06 transcript is about 40 pages and the 11/7/06 transcript is about 5 pages.

Both can be ordered from AMANDA LOHNAAS the court reporter who transcribed both events.

Ms. LOHNAAS can be reached at 404-215-1546.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
If Rufus lost his license due to a DUI, we should be able to find his record online. I'll check into it if I find my time.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good thinking Milliam.
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
From RufusPaulHarris off of HSM

Subpenny Radio Tonight or tomorrow night.

Simon, I will confirm exact time and day.

Time for heads to roll

Shorty Be there or be square!
__________________
GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris
Chief Executive Officer
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Harris*cshd.us
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
WTF? Is this New Clay?
What is the merger canceled? So now Rufus can claim CEO? CHEEZE ITS!!!

quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
From RufusPaulHarris off of HSM

Subpenny Radio Tonight or tomorrow night.

Simon, I will confirm exact time and day.

Time for heads to roll

Shorty Be there or be square!
__________________
GODSPEED
Rufus Paul Harris
Chief Executive Officer
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Harris*cshd.us


 
Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
This got me thinking....Did Rufus ever pay for that lady's shares so she didn't lose her house?

I thought not.

Jo
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jo4321:
This got me thinking....Did Rufus ever pay for that lady's shares so she didn't lose her house?

I thought not.

Jo

What? I don't understand what you are saying...
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
It was just posted a few minutes ago... I think he has pretty much claimed he was the rightful CEO since JA took over. Remember the whole website deal... posted some letter on it when JA first took over. I don't really care anymore regarding this stock I've written it off as a loss, just find the drama funny as hell.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jo? the lady that took a mortgage out on her house? Texas princess or something? i read somewhere that she sold out of her position...which let Rufas off the hook..

jenna...back when this started? Rufas made a promise on SPR that he would cover her loan if it failed!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus is not the CEO & can't be - oh my gosh he has balls - he will get torn to pieces if he goes on the show!!!
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Didn't think about this but I think that part may just be his signature of the posts and maybe he never changed it since he has been voted out. I don't know though.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rufus is not the CEO & can't be - oh my gosh he has balls - he will get torn to pieces if he goes on the show!!!


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Jo? the lady that took a mortgage out on her house? Texas princess or something? i read somewhere that she sold out of her position...which let Rufas off the hook..

jenna...back when this started? Rufas made a promise on SPR that he would cover her loan if it failed!

OOOH WOW!!! Poor lady....

I did hear if you sell out that you may not be able to sue - don't think that could be true- can it?
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Yes...that "says it all"...LMAO!
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Holy crap!!!! Just when you thought the soap opera was cancelled.....ratings go up!!!!
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Simon will finally have ratings again LOL.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Jo? the lady that took a mortgage out on her house? Texas princess or something? i read somewhere that she sold out of her position...which let Rufas off the hook..

jenna...back when this started? Rufas made a promise on SPR that he would cover her loan if it failed!

OOOH WOW!!! Poor lady....

I did hear if you sell out that you may not be able to sue - don't think that could be true- can it?

Poor lady my a$$.. Anyone dumb enough to mortgage their house for ANY stock deserves to be BROKE.....IMO

LOL this thing is getting funnier
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
This is just like the TV schedule. There was a break over the Holidays and now new episodes are being aired. The way this is playing out it could have been a hit TV series and we would have some value. Too bad they didn't go that route.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Jo? the lady that took a mortgage out on her house? Texas princess or something? i read somewhere that she sold out of her position...which let Rufas off the hook..

jenna...back when this started? Rufas made a promise on SPR that he would cover her loan if it failed!

OOOH WOW!!! Poor lady....

I did hear if you sell out that you may not be able to sue - don't think that could be true- can it?

Poor lady my a$$.. Anyone dumb enough to mortgage their house for ANY stock deserves to be BROKE.....IMO

LOL this thing is getting funnier

That's true surf, it's just that Rufus was that convincing!!! Just sad that he did this...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I guess CSHD is truely a HOT TOPIC again!!! LOL [Eek!]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
There is a TV series that completely defines CSHD right now it's called "LOST".

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
There is a TV series that completely defines CSHD right now it's called "LOST".

GLTA
Wally

Nope. It's called, "The Biggest Loser"
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
No- it's called FBI files
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
There is a TV series that completely defines CSHD right now it's called "LOST".

GLTA
Wally

Nope. It's called, "The Biggest Loser"
Or maybe: "Without a Trace"
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
There is a TV series that completely defines CSHD right now it's called "LOST".

GLTA
Wally

No it's one of those Friggin' "Reality Shows"...
I don't have hard Cetrs...could someone that does have them check the small print to see if the rules of the show are on there...?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
How about "punked"
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
There is a TV series that completely defines CSHD right now it's called "LOST".

GLTA
Wally

No it's one of those Friggin' "Reality Shows"...
I don't have hard Cetrs...could someone that does have them check the small print to see if the rules of the show are on there...?

They are but the disclaimer says that they are subject to change without prior notice.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Originally Posted by RufusPaulHarris
Subpenny Radio Tonight or tomorrow night.

Simon, I will confirm exact time and day.

Time for heads to roll

Shorty Be there or be square!
======================================
WTH...

LOL ~
Bet they won't be able to read over HALF the emails!!LOL

"You f&*%#*!!!" [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rufus is not the CEO & can't be - oh my gosh he has balls - he will get torn to pieces if he goes on the show!!!

Naw, i doubt Rufus is going to be torn into any pieces at all. Ive always hated the way Rufus ran the show but we STILL dont know who the scamster is in this whole mess. I am very upset that Rufus talked his talk without having facts to back them up but im still not convinced that he didnt believe in what he was saying.

My personal opinion is that Sabra and Arlitt are the "bad guys".....and possibly Mike Alexander was dragged into their clique as well. Im VERY much looking forward to hearing Rufus on SPR if it really happens.

If i were to guess id say that by next week Rufus will be CEO again, Mike will be forced to play ball as the Ecowood CEO (JV with CSHD) and Arlitt will be unemployed and out pumping some other stock under a different fictitious name. Hopefully Arlitt never "touches" another stock ive invested in again.

There are all my opinions of course.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Here's another interesting post from HSM. Something I think Cat and Taxback will be interested to hear:

Posted by bodi (MA):
No relation...naw I have a document trail for everything...CEOTA was not a real company...btw
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rufus is not the CEO & can't be - oh my gosh he has balls - he will get torn to pieces if he goes on the show!!!

Naw, i doubt Rufus is going to be torn into any pieces at all. Ive always hated the way Rufus ran the show but we STILL dont know who the scamster is in this whole mess. I am very upset that Rufus talked his talk without having facts to back them up but im still not convinced that he didnt believe in what he was saying.

My personal opinion is that Sabra and Arlitt are the "bad guys".....and possibly Mike Alexander was dragged into their clique as well. Im VERY much looking forward to hearing Rufus on SPR if it really happens.

If i were to guess id say that by next week Rufus will be CEO again, Mike will be forced to play ball as the Ecowood CEO (JV with CSHD) and Arlitt will be unemployed and out pumping some other stock under a different fictitious name. Hopefully Arlitt never "touches" another stock ive invested in again.

There are all my opinions of course.

I'm not sure who the bad guy is here but if Rufus was the scamster he is being protrayed as, why hasn't he just taken the money and ran? Why is he still defending himself?

The one link between Mike Alexander and Rufus and the bonds is Sabra? Could she be the problem in this whole mess? I too will be listening to SPR and hear what Rufus has to say.

I do believe he was more misguided than scamming. We all have to remember that he stated on more than one occassion that he learned everything from the internet, Reading something and actually putting it into action are two completely different things.

It is interesting that Mike and TUT are still trying to use the business plan that was put together by Rufus though.

Just like the military. Hurry up and wait.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
With that 6 for 1 still in the air (John said that was still a go) even at todays prices I'd make a couple grand ~

You bet peeps will be listening...

I can't believe Rufus is going to do this, he's gonna get his azz shot!
Lot of nut balls out there!

I'm NOT going to listen, but CAN'T WAIT to hear what he's got to say ~

Then I'm going to mail him a custom Tee-shirt that says "I'm a POS" on the front!!

LMAO ~~~ [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
How about "punked"

LMAO!!!


How about Deal or no deal.....looks like we are left holding the .01 breifcase.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Here's another interesting post from HSM. Something I think Cat and Taxback will be interested to hear:

Posted by bodi (MA):
No relation...naw I have a document trail for everything...CEOTA was not a real company...btw

Well thats VERY interesting since CEOTA was working with Mike Alexander and FHAL.....not CSHD. So, unless Rufus supposedly hooked up MA and CEOTA there is a conflict in what Bodi is saying.

We are sure Bodi is MA? I always thought CEOTA was shady. Is "thecon", or whatever his name is, still around? He and I agreed that CEOTA was probably bogus.
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
Yep - she just won't go away, will she? ;-)
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
GEES, just when we all had moved on to other stocks that were making us money - we sucked back into this tornado!!!
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Jenna, you better go take a nap because God knows you'll be up all night transcribing the call, if it happens.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
JA is the scamster..no Rufas is..no wait it was Sabra...ok wait, no it was MA, no it was the SEC! No the bonds are real...no there not...they excist...no they don't...they are ours...no they are his...no...wait...OMG...It was OUR STREET the whole time...Oh no I'm sorry it was Stock lemon...
It's over...no it's just begun...no wait...to be continued...
(The only thing I know for SURE...my head hurts!)
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
Jenna, you better go take a nap because God knows you'll be up all night transcribing the call, if it happens.

You know it!!! But I will not go past 1 am so Rufus better be past out in a drunkin' coma by then....


What I think we are starting to witness is they are all going to turn on eachother & the truth will come out.....I bet more than one person is dirty in all this....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
10, i know its all confusing but come on....JA is a pumper and has always been a pumper. Regardless of who is the scamster, John Arlitt...aka Tut...aka whatever other aliases he uses...is a pumper. Sabra was supposedly behind the bonds so i blame her for that.

And now, someone named Bodi (believed to be MA) is claiming that CEOTA was never a real company. Its possible that MA was scammed by Gordon Brown into believing that CEOTA was the real deal which would clear MA's name but thats the big question right now.

Mike sure believed that CEOTA was real back around June 14th 2006.

http://www.sto ckcloud .net/press-release/FHAL/35541/the-fronthaul-group-the-fronthaul-group-signs-its
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LOL..Agreed CAT...
BTW...where is ST Matt? and Portman?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
10, i know its all confusing but come on....JA is a pumper and has always been a pumper. Regardless of who is the scamster, John Arlitt...aka Tut...aka whatever other aliases he uses...is a pumper. Sabra was supposedly behind the bonds so i blame her for that.

And now, someone named Bodi (believed to be MA) is claiming that CEOTA was never a real company. Its possible that MA was scammed by Gordon Brown into believing that CEOTA was the real deal which would clear MA's name but thats the big question right now.

Mike sure believed that CEOTA was real back around June 14th 2006.

http://www.sto ckcloud .net/press-release/FHAL/35541/the-fronthaul-group-the-fronthaul-group-signs-its

I recall Rufus taking a question about the CEOTA log deal after the merger and stating that it wasn't what they thought it was. AND Cat you are right. THe CEOTA log deal was Mike's baby, pre-Rufus.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Very interesting the shc website is down right now.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10, I just talked to Matt on the phone. He is at work.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Guys, can someone check the CVSU website? I think there are a few JV's on there that I haven't seen before....Can someone else check too?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Exactly Wally, which is why im very interested to hear what might happen on SPR. I hope that Rufus's silence since November 30 is because he has been doing his homework.

Im not expecting a re-listing. Im not even expecting any "promises". Im just hoping for some hardball and IMO it was looking like Arlitt was trying to sweep things under a rug.

Go for it Repo, Trade04, Kevin Bailey.....whomever else wants to take a shot at me for still "believing". I think something is coming and its about friggin time.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Never mind guys, I think all of those JV's were there, I just haven't looked in so long....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Guys, can someone check the CVSU website? I think there are a few JV's on there that I haven't seen before....Can someone else check too?

I just looked Jenna but to tell you the truth I can't remember.

As my wife says...My baby ate my brain...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Very interesting the shc website is down right now.

Thats probably not a big deal. As far as I am concerned the SHC was never a legal entity anyway.

Excuse me for being excited but im not an Arlitt fan [Smile]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? I will not be able to listen tonight...my son's plane comes in at 9:30...Will you PLEEEEAAAASSSE PM me the notes from the show? Pretty please?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
We can tell Mr. C.....(I love ya)!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10, you got it.....I probably will transcribe them tonight on the thread....

Is it for sure tonight though?
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
NEWSFLASH!!!!!

WORD IS RPH IS IN JAIL!!!!!

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by madmoney on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
NEWSFLASH!!!!!

WORD IS RPH IS IN JAIL!!!!!

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

please let it be true!!!!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by madmoney:
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
NEWSFLASH!!!!!

WORD IS RPH IS IN JAIL!!!!!

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

please let it be true!!!!
Yes he is in jail, you can call and confirm as well.

707-382-5050 Have to press 2 twice to get to the jail division
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
LOOKS LIKE A VIOLATION OF PROBATION
[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
That some funny ****.
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
what a POS! LOL ~
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Nice, bury the POS like Jimmy Hoffa.
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
 -
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Nice, bury the POS like Jimmy Hoffa.

For once Repo, I agree with you! lol
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OMG...WTH???
So Rufas was a TRUE NUT CASE?!!!!
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
HE IS NOT IN FOR WHAT U THINK REPO-PGPM-MAN HA HA [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Come on 10 was it that hard of a stretch? LOL ~

THAT'S whay I'm glad John's there.....

At least we have a CHANCE now for the 6 for 1's!
[Big Grin]

So who did he give his password too to sign on as him on HSM???

I thought it was funny that no words were mispelled! LOL ~
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
Drunk driving???? -my guess ~

New2 says he's getting out today....

no wonder the SPR BS ~
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
It has also been confirmed that he is getting out of jail today.... 770-382-3313...that's the number to call if you want to know for yourself.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
HE IS NOT IN FOR WHAT U THINK REPO-PGPM-MAN HA HA [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

PGPM.. ahh yes. One of the greatest stocks in a 3 hour period... 800% in 1 day for me, 2000% in 2 days for others.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
He has to go to anger management classes and 40 hours of community service.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Wow...WTH is going on? He was caught driving without a license? so it has nothing to do with this stock stuff? AND it wasn't him posting on HSM?
OK...NOW my head hurts!!!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
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Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Hi CAT:

Can you believe this?! I’m down over 100k from the $4 high and the drama is still so funny all I can do is laugh.

Why would MA (Bodi) admit CEOTA was a scam?!!!! That started all of this for sum of us back in the FHAL days. He may be trying to save his A** I think.


Still never heard back from CEOTA other than the original auto reply email.


Mr. CATIAEngineer
Member


Member Rated:

posted January 17, 2007 15:19
________________________________________
quote:
________________________________________
Originally posted by milliam:
Here's another interesting post from HSM. Something I think Cat and Taxback will be interested to hear:

Posted by bodi (MA):
No relation...naw I have a document trail for everything...CEOTA was not a real company...btw
________________________________________
Well thats VERY interesting since CEOTA was working with Mike Alexander and FHAL.....not CSHD. So, unless Rufus supposedly hooked up MA and CEOTA there is a conflict in what Bodi is saying.

We are sure Bodi is MA? I always thought CEOTA was shady. Is "thecon", or whatever his name is, still around? He and I agreed that CEOTA was probably bogus.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Thanks for clearing up for me New2...and as I said...that's his personal life...

Still curious who posted on HSM as him...

have a good night all...and Jenna...looks like you won't have to stay up late....LOL
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
He got out today! And he is still in! HSM posters are getting different answers from the jail [Confused]
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
From paltalk~

xlr8rs: The jail just told me that he was still in custody and that I would have to talk to his probation officer to find out when he would be released. I called the probation officer, but they are closed for the day.

FWIW
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hi guys...listen up...I just got off the phone with John Arlitt.....I know I'm going to be persecuted for this but it's true. Some of you will wonder, "Why would he talk to you?" The truth is that I've talked to him a few times in the past before he was CEO. You can chose to believe me or not.

John said to becareful who you listen to. Only to listen to the PR's that come out. He is trying to do the right thing. He IS "cleaning" up the company so it can move on.

Becareful who you listen to and ask yourself if they have an agenda. There are a few people on here that I think have figured that out. IMO- NONE of these people are who they seem.

I said to him that I trust noone & that I think they are all going to start to turn on eachother & that the truth will be revealed when they all start talking. He said the truth will be revealed.

He wants everyone to know that he is working really hard and he is working with the SEC to resolve this.

He will put out a PR when he has something substantial to say/report.

*************************************************

Keep this in mind.....if you listen to what John says - not to listen to anyone but the PR's that come out- I guess you really shouldn't even listen to me..... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
Come on 10 was it that hard of a stretch? LOL ~

THAT'S whay I'm glad John's there.....

At least we have a CHANCE now for the 6 for 1's!
[Big Grin]

So who did he give his password too to sign on as him on HSM???

I thought it was funny that no words were mispelled! LOL ~

Because Johns there we have a chance at the 6 to 1? What are you smokin'? John cant make something out of nothing. Either Rufus was a scammer and we have nothing or Rufus was the real deal and the 6:1 is there for us. We cant have both folks. You working for Arlitt financial now Chart? [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
sheeessh Jenna, maybe he saw your picture and that's why he talks to YOU [Wink]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hi guys...listen up...I just got off the phone with John Arlitt.....I know I'm going to be persecuted for this but it's true. Some of you will wonder, "Why would he talk to you?" The truth is that I've talked to him a few times in the past before he was CEO. You can chose to believe me or not.

John said to becareful who you listen to. Only to listen to the PR's that come out. He is trying to do the right thing. He IS "cleaning" up the company so it can move on.

Becareful who you listen to and ask yourself if they have an agenda. There are a few people on here that I think have figured that out. IMO- NONE of these people are who they seem.

I said to him that I trust noone & that I think they are all going to start to turn on eachother & that the truth will be revealed when they all start talking. He said the truth will be revealed.

He wants everyone to know that he is working really hard and he is working with the SEC to resolve this.

He will put out a PR when he has something substantial to say/report.

*************************************************

Keep this in mind.....if you listen to what John says - not to listen to anyone but the PR's that come out- I guess you really shouldn't even listen to me..... [Big Grin]

Or John himself for that matter..........
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Damn Cat....you sure don't like John Huh...

If there is a chance in hell this ever trades again it will be John that gets us there...IMO

I thought originally the 2 could have made a good team but apparently thats not going to happen.

LOL the drama... so no Rufus on SPR or is that his one phone call...

If he called from jail he probably wouldn't get cut off 6 times like on his POS cell phone.
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Peeking in the room ") Ahh seems everyone is hiding in here lol must be waiting on something interesting? HMMM maybe, naw oh what the heck everyone is already rattled... I'll just scare'm anyways!! LOL BOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!! hehehe sorry folks had to do it! [Wink] Hope everyone enjoyed the holidays!! [Wink]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
No Surf, i dont like John. Rufus was accused of P&D when it was Tut that did most of the pumping. And, i felt he mislead more people on HSM than Rufus did. Annnnnnd i dont think he just happened to come across CSHD on accident, i think he was hired....but by who i dont know.

****All in my opinion of course****
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Well... maybe Jenna can get an answer from tut if it is john...whether or not he was hired or came about it by accident??? Since I do believe she has talked to him ....Jenna, girl what do ya think? [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hired? - He was an investor just like us- just with a highter stake in it. He really really believed in it.....did some great dd.....just like us.....He was put into the position by the SHC which he didn't want.....He knew he was walking into a mess.....but he has vowed to clean this up. He IS cleaning it up.

It takes time to clean this up....remember he is "virtually" doing this on his own....He is cooperating with the SEC (IMO)...when people post things (& you can included me in this), especially timelines -do not listen....he will PR things.....When he says to ignore things that are said I think he also was referring to when these "characters" in this big show are bashing eachother.....PR's will tell the story.

I can tell you that he is tired, he works constantly & he said he is doing everything he can to get this back on track. He says he cares about the shareholders & he is also a shareholder....


Take it for what it's worth- or better yet just ignore this & any other post like this....... [Big Grin]


****OK TEX I know your coming to squash me but you usually don't come around until later*****
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
****OK TEX I know your coming to squash me but you usually don't come around until later*****

LMAO...Hide quick!!!
[Wink]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Thanks for your input Jenna!!


Tex is harmless....LOL
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Its got to the point now that, even if we as shareholders have to wait another six months for the company to be built from the foundations up again then so be it!
I think everyone believes in the orginal business plan, that is still there. With people like JA, MA and DP around, and ordinary people going to huge lengths to help out (the original shareholder commitee)we can still make something of this stock [Smile]
Jenna be sure to thank JA on our behalf for all his hardwork, next time you talk to him!
Now lets here what Rufus has got to say for himself [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Ok, so may I ask what the business plan is, since I've only been paying attention since the soap opera part of it started?
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
sheeessh Jenna, maybe he saw your picture and that's why he talks to YOU [Wink]

Bingo.
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
Ok, so may I ask what the business plan is, since I've only been paying attention since the soap opera part of it started?

Bring in funding (bonds), fund JV's and subsideries, provide insurance and asset management, for companies with business models that are capable of financially sustaining large national infrastructure programs. All while spinning off shareholder value through shares in JV's.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
Ok, so may I ask what the business plan is, since I've only been paying attention since the soap opera part of it started?

Bring in funding (bonds), fund JV's and subsideries, provide insurance and asset management, for companies with business models that are capable of financially sustaining large national infrastructure programs. All while spinning off shareholder value through shares in JV's.
Perfectly put Fhalyesss!!!
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Jenna thanks for the info... I still believe and know in my heart we will get there again just my opinion just sucks we had to go this route to get there.... tia [Wink]
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
haha, it just hit me what Conversion Solutions HOLDINGS meant. Duh. Thanks.

quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
Ok, so may I ask what the business plan is, since I've only been paying attention since the soap opera part of it started?

Bring in funding (bonds), fund JV's and subsideries, provide insurance and asset management, for companies with business models that are capable of financially sustaining large national infrastructure programs. All while spinning off shareholder value through shares in JV's.

 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvforever:
Jenna thanks for the info... I still believe and know in my heart we will get there again just my opinion just sucks we had to go this route to get there.... tia [Wink]

You are welcome....I think it's going to take sometime but we will get there even if it's as a new company. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anybody listening to SPR? I can't log in...I forgot my username.....It's not Jenna because I remember that was taken. The weird thing is you need your username in order for them to send your password to your email.
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
yeah simon said he cant guarentee wether or not ole rufas will call in hes just talking about stocks not us LOL )
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
JENNA IF YOU SAVED YOUR OLD MAIL YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO LOOK THERE...MAYBE? sorry bumped caps sorry! [Wink]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
Its got to the point now that, even if we as shareholders have to wait another six months for the company to be built from the foundations up again then so be it!
I think everyone believes in the orginal business plan, that is still there. With people like JA, MA and DP around, and ordinary people going to huge lengths to help out (the original shareholder commitee)we can still make something of this stock [Smile]
Jenna be sure to thank JA on our behalf for all his hardwork, next time you talk to him!
Now lets here what Rufus has got to say for himself [Eek!] [Eek!]

I asked this before but didn't get an answer. Who is DP9Dave Perley) and how does he fit into the scheme of things..

Also for those who are buying Whatever John (TUT) Arlitt has to say, isn't that what many did with Rufus that get them in trouble?

Until I see something from the SEC stating the company is OK and the stock is trading somewhere other than the grey sheets, I don't believe a word comming out of Arlitt(TUT), BODI(Mike Alexander, Sword of Truth(Rufus) or anyone else associated with the company. I won't even believe PR's until that time.

Cynical, Oh yah, That's me but I have good reason for that. See a while back we were told we could believe all the filings, you know, 8K's 10Q's, etc and look where that got us.

This will be a very long road to recovery if there is to be a recovery. IMO, I can't see how CSHD will be moving forward anytime soon. Too much to overcome. Dr's Kildaire, Casey, Welby etal are trying to save the patient but Dr kevorkian is standing in the wings. I really hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.

GLTA
Wally

PS: How will we get the 6 for 1 Threshold price reset if according to Mike the Merger will be cancelled? If the merger is cancelled there can be no Threshold price reset because the event that caused it is no longer valid. These guys should talk to each other a little more and get their stories straight before going public.

Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I'll try but I think I deleted it....
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Wait, maybe you wrote it down on your cshd cert since you knew it wouldn't be of any use except for scrap paper.. LOL sorry couldnt resist... my bad... [Wink] j/k
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
HaHa....It's so weird that I can't remember....I know what my password is but I can't remember my username...I have tried everything....Are you listening to it?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
HaHa....It's so weird that I can't remember....I know what my password is but I can't remember my username...I have tried everything....Are you listening to it?

Not really anything going on, CSHD wise. Except people sending IM's to Simon that Rufus is in jail.

Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wally- I don't think we could get the 6:1 if the merger is cancelled......
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally- I don't think we could get the 6:1 if the merger is cancelled......

Exactly!!! But didn't John Arlitt put out a PR saying that we would? HMMM

Wally
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
rufus on
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
maybe it was jenna1 think,,, simon is just talking about the pps it traded at today one was 20 cents etc etc but it sounds as though rufas is still with his bf for the night so maybe he will be on tomorrow if he gets bail? mo. nothing exciting at the moment... what's your pet name maybe u used that.. **** rufas is on!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
RUfus is on!!
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Got in trouble on New years eve!
has been in jail!
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
maybe it was jenna1 think,,, simon is just talking about the pps it traded at today one was 20 cents etc etc but it sounds as though rufas is still with his bf for the night so maybe he will be on tomorrow if he gets bail? mo. nothing exciting at the moment... what's your pet name maybe u used that.. **** rufas is on! he admitted to gettin in trouble on new years eve LOL
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
He said hed be calling at 9pm tonight
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Rufus just called to say he will be on SPR at 9PM EST.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Oh my gosh- I just got on- I finally figured it out - It was so easy that it should have been obvious....
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Hes ready to tackle em all LOL questions that is LOL
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Is it just me having Deja Vu and out of body experiences today?

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
what was it huh huh LOL j/k [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally- I don't think we could get the 6:1 if the merger is cancelled......

Exactly!!! But didn't John Arlitt put out a PR saying that we would? HMMM

Wally

That was just my opinion.....but- remember he PR'ed that shortly after he was CEO, the story unfolds more & more each day....no one knows what's going to happen.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Anybody listening to SPR? I can't log in...I forgot my username.....It's not Jenna because I remember that was taken. The weird thing is you need your username in order for them to send your password to your email.

I think your username is supposed to be your login? If so, that should make it easier for you. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I don't even know if I want to listen....I think they are all full of sh*t.....besides American Idol is on now.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Anybody listening to SPR? I can't log in...I forgot my username.....It's not Jenna because I remember that was taken. The weird thing is you need your username in order for them to send your password to your email.

I think your username is supposed to be your login? If so, that should make it easier for you. [Smile]
got it....Jenna was taken when I signed up do I had to add to it, & I finally figured it out....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I hope Source calls in to SPR tonight.....I gave him the number....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Rufus Paul Harris on SPR - 9pm EST tonight

He said he was in jail due to some "excessive partying" New Years eve. Anyway, intends to respond to the accusations of spending the shareholder money from the sounbds of it.

So, approx 30 minutes from now i guess
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don't even know if I want to listen....I think they are all full of sh*t.....besides American Idol is on now.

Yea, the first couple of episodes in each Idol seaon are priceless. [Smile]

Ive gotta hear Rufus tonight though. Gotta
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Can somebody PLEASE post what is being said tonight. It would be much appreciated. TIA
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
ok- I've got my DVR recording Idol. I'm locked & loaded & my fingers are ready to type my friends.....this will be the biggest waist of 4 hours of my life!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
JesusPower is boycotting the SPR.
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
way to go Jenna1 LOL [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Thanks Luv.....I love ya Luv....
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Thank you Jenna! As always, you come through.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
link to Rufus' arrest....

http://www.daily-tribune.com/NF/omf/daily_tribune/archive_display.html?[rkey=004 0951+[cr=
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
[Wink]
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
link to Rufus' arrest....

http://www.daily-tribune.com/NF/omf/daily_tribune/archive_display.html?[rkey=004 0951+[cr=

Search his address on googlr maps, nice spread with a pool!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Rufus just called to say he will be on SPR at 9PM EST.

LOL No kidding??

This should be good....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Source- you there?

Doc- you there?
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
[Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Go get 'em - you "Bull dog" !!!
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
So anyone tuned in?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Here he is: Rufus Paul Harris
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
round of applause LOL
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
round of applause LOL
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"You did confirm you got incarcerated."

R:"Yes, I went to a club & tried to break up a fight & got grabbed."

S:"It's floating around that you were changed with assaulting an officer."

R:"Originally I was but that was dropped. Things happen when you mix 500 people & alcohol."
"I had a DUI over a year ago so that was a probation violation. Actually it was a nice vacation & I caught up on some sleep. It wasn't that bad."
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
LOL
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"There was a fight that ended up on our table & I tried to get it off our table. The place was way under staffed. It got out of hand."

S:"Some people love you & some people hate you. What is it that U wanted to share....?"

R:"I just wanted to clarify we are working on these issues. We are getting to the bottom of things."

S:"....There was some confusion about who's the real CEO....the new CEO is Tut...John Arlitt...he was putting out PR's and filings."

R:"I want to sit back & let them do what they wanted to do. I was going to watch & document. You want my opinion YES I am the CEO....I have issues with John, Mike A, & the Transfer Agent."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:" I heard Mike A. had made some comments on HSM about the merger and frount haul.....but fronthaul doesn't exist anymore......I remember sitting down & talked with Mike & Dave...I have always felt that someone inside the comapny was working against me so I told Mike that if this starts to happen to out me......Mike did exactly as asked....."
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
pentagon...??? congressional workers???

No crap
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"There's rumors that Sabra was the mastermind & snookered you & Mike."

R:"She brought Mike & the bonds to the table, now to get the bonds.....this is going to involve everyone even people at the Pentagon.....it's very strange here that the bashers that come out on the boards that come out bashing never come out bashing these indiviuals (people that work at gov't that had to do with the bonds)...

S:"The co. issued out some impressive PR's regarding AISS....Dr. Mensah insisted that you conned him."

R: laughing.....I hired PI's to track him & find where the money is....we said we invested a lot"
of money into this....can you look into this..."

S:"Dr. Mensah said he brought these retired gov't officials into this...."

R:"That's true.....(can't follow)

S:"For the long time shareholders they know the deal with Mensah...

R:"Just believe the court documents, they went and took fronthauls records not ours.....Mike used to be a law enforcer but lost his career for setting up the Mayor's son in a drug bust."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"Fronthaul was weeks away from bankruptcy."

S:"You said the FBI went and seized documents."

R:"It was recently...in 2007....from the fronthaul office." "They actually were going after CS's documents which is ok....but .....my last communication with James Gee, on my birthday, forced him to resign, he did it on his own, when I pointed out that the TA was able to put out an 8K-..."

S:"Were you using any of thosse ID's on the message boards last night."

R:" I have only gone under Rufus Paul Harris."

S:"People are saying that Mike A. is really running conversion. The last PR said that they need to raise money....Why in your opinion why would people believe that Mike would be putting all of this together....?"

R:"He was going to drop this in the SEC's hand....I said do not allow it to go into recivership...."

S:"Mike was supposed to go to Europe & close some deals....& we established that he never went to Europe.'

R;"Right he never went to meet with Romeo."

S:"He was going to get a forensic auditor...so he really didn't do anything."

R:"What he told us is that he told us that he hired the lawyer to represent attorney....but it turned out it was really a forensic auditor (he paid $7500)

S:"When asked if you had an attorney hired for CSHD you said no. SO the 7500 came from an alternative source. Was the audit completed?"

R:"It was never followed up with. I'm not concerned with the bonds, if they turn out to be fraud- they better lock up the people from the gov't that were behind the bonds. I never followed up with the forensic auditor. I as an individual will stay in the federal court system. We have prepared a proxy to move the corporation out with different assests & I'll stay back with the bonds. You can expect the proxy within.......2 weeks....get it signed off on & get the attorneys on board."
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
feb. 23rd. is the his timeline for the proxy statement.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
great job Jenna!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"You are saying 2 weeks....I'm going to add an additional 2 weeks...so by Feb 23rd....they should recieve a proxy for the shareholders to move out of the default being held."

R:"How are you going to proceed without answering a default. I'm doing this as CEO."

S:"There's ?'s- have you answered any SHC for money for a lawyer."

R:"No- if anyone said that you are looking at a liar."

S:"There was a PR announcing the Shareholder meeting. A lot of people misunderstood, including me, but that was meant to be a clossed meeting."

R:"They had the ability to make a proxy on the website...we will do a proxy to the shareholders.."

S:"This Conf. call was told to the outsiders by the insiders, they said that there would be no secrecy that it was being recorded- Why hasn't that tape been available to shareholders?"

R:"Ask that of your SHC?"
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
So either he's a pathological liar, or really believes the bonds are real. Interesting.

I don't understand moving the corporation out and him staying back with the bonds though.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"I'm back. Now we're gonna finish this."


S;"Is there any relationship between Darrly Horton & Ben Stanley?"

R:"I'm not aware of any.....I haven't removed Darryl as CFO...I have not terminated him....we owe him & it's not because we don't have the money....matter of fact Mr. Benson has given (testimony)...(something to the SEC?) (not sure)...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
It's so fast sorry guys


R:"They are trying to point the finger at me....but this will lead to a change in this market.....stop reading the trash....then you start believing your own crap."

S:"This is where I'm confused- you said in the past to only believe PR's. While Mike A was CEO he removed everyone...In order for CS to move on where it currently is - it's stuck in quickstand...if it were to go away then that's nothing for the NSS to worry about...."

R:"There scared to death...Haven't they put anything out not to trade it not to buy it?"

S:"No."

R:"Look at it this way- take or leave it- you don't like it sell it.....get out of my haor...the only people that can be upset at me is the Waatle shareholders that bought into the mess...you were here & now it's our company & we will clean up the mess.....If you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at yourself. Well, you bought the shares, your broker sold them to you, I don't know how he did. You are in better shape than you were in fronthaul....current PPS is higher than it was when it was fronthaul."
 
Posted by P Rowds on :
 
"If you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at yourself. Well, you bought the shares, your broker sold them to you, I don't know how he did. You are in better shape than you were in fronthaul....current PPS is higher than it was when it was fronthaul."


haha, what an *ss... what about the ppl that bought ****CSHD**** at $1 or higher... lol...

EDIT: or he may be considering the waatle shareholders the CSHD holders... my bad
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"You will get your proxy vote on it....."

S:"The thing is we've heard this song & dance- it's like the boy who cried wolf. Time will tell. Here's a question....toxic financing...do you know anything about that...?

can't keep up....

S:"Do you thing JA & Mike were shorting the stock."

R:"I don't think......."

S:"ask Rufus if the bonds are real."

R;'The documents provided to me were confirmed by many banks, we were desingned to be an asset company...this went throught the Pentagon.....

S:"Romeo is saying the bond documents are fake."

R;"I don't believe that....Romeo has been orfered to stand down on the bonds.'

S;"****s are saying that Romeo is saying foul play & that he was scammed by you."

R;"Don't believe that...last time I talked with him didn't have to do with the bonds- he was worried about his reputation because he signed it. We talked about his gold company."

S:"This individual said he spoke with Romeo on x-mas eve & that he recorded it."

S:"Where did the money come from to buy the horses?"

R:"I bought the horses with my own money...."

S:"The SHC is saying that not only did you ask for money from the SHC but that you asked for a certain amount - $200,000."

R:"That is a lie...they need to be hooked up to a lie detector test."

Duane Woods (I don't know what this is)

R:"Arlitt claimed he hired an attorney but he didn't."

S:"Maybe I should write a book......ArmyGuy is asking with re: to the court proceedings..."

R;"I see a proxy vote in the near future....the shareholders can vote on a project to buy.....to allow the comapny to move forward."

S:"When is the s4 going to be filed for this merger?"

R:"......the s4 will be the actual prospective will be in the proxy.."

S:"The info that an S4 would contain will be in the proxy...and the SEC will be ok with that.'

R:"I don't think it will be in violation of SEC rules.'

S:"Somewhere I thought I read that an actual S4 has to be filed."

R:"There's not even a fronthaul...it was dissolved....you can't unwind a merger.....It's done it's over with shares have been issued by the TA."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"Simon this will be a regular thing from here on out. I have chosen you as my voice."

S:"I appreciate that."
 
Posted by humble on :
 
Rufus is rambling with so much to say. His actions over the next few weeks speak volumes about who has control over the future of this company.

I have always believed that a play planned for years against powerful adversaries only stood a chance if you absolutely controlled the game. In this game control is in the ownership of the company - registered and printed certs. We heard Mike A say that he has the majority of the shares in cert form. I would not be surprised if Rufus himself had another very large portion in cert form. It is possible, with the suspected number of CSHD shares floating around various markets, that several people have claim to the majority ownership in Conversion... but the truth is in really getting to the bottom of where those shares came from.

This play has always planned on the shorty sting and the business plan is just the catalyst. If the TA is involved and has allowed 2x or 3x the number of registered shares to trade, the TA would do anything in his power to bury this, on behalf of him and every broker that was dealing CSHD broker-2-broker instead of clearing everything through the national clearing house... naked shorting at its disorganized best.

Rufus:

"If you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at yourself. Well, you bought the shares, your broker sold them to you, I don't know how he did."

I am hearing nothing we did not hear months ago but when the price was high it was something to get excited about. There is something going on here that is really aggravating some powerful entities/people with a lot at stake on both sides of the table. The lull in the action is over; for better or for worse we are back to business.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"If fronthaul was disolved than why was every filing titled Furia."

R:"Some idiot never changed the name....that goes back to that idiot. Did that answer your question...the idiot that had the codes never changes it in EDGAR....that'a why I tried to get the codes."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"......that's when I knew JA was part of the NSS ring....."

S:"Earlier I asked you if you thought if they were shorting it (JA & Mike).....& you said no."

R:"I don't even know how they got there shares."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Since you have established you are the CEO- when can shareholders expect there 6:1...

R:"It will be in the package for you to vote on."

S:"So people should watch pacer."

R:"That's right...watch Pacers.....do you know what an RW is a requset for Withdrawl? It's a request to remove....(sorry)..I can't stay an officer & go to court...so the new company & new people"

S:"So you say new company..."

R:"You will be looking at new shares but we are getting into insider info...it will be on the proxy....if you are on the nobo list....you will get a proxy to vote...."

S:"There are a lot of people who asked for cert...holding certs & their name was not on the nobo list..."

R:"WOW- laughing....now you know what I'm saying...WOW...laughing."
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
R:"......that's when I knew JA was part of the NSS ring....."

S:"Earlier I asked you if you thought if they were shorting it (JA & Mike).....& you said no."

R:"I don't even know how they got there shares."

I heard this part... very clearly... this is a VERY interesting comment. Rufas said he told John first thing that should be done is a change in transfer agent, and John recommended "Signature" out of Plano TX. Rufas said that this is when he knew John was somehow connected to a NSS ring. "Signature" had approached him before promising to get any SEC letter he needed signed by an SEC attourney the next day.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"If you hold your certs & do not recieve a proxy join a class action suit."
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Nice to hear from you Humble! Happy 2007 to you!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This is so fast for me....is there any one there that can catch what I miss?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
The only restricted shares Rufus ever issued were preferred shares.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"You can't hold preferred- it has a term."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Ross is saying I made 150,000 flipping this stock...did Rufus or any of his family make money on this stock..."

R:"No, none of my faimly either....JesusPower showed me his car that he bought a 60,000 car....he started freakin me out when he introduced his own father as God...."

S:"As part of your parole, do you have to take anger management classes?'

R;"No, nothing like that, that's a cute question."

S:"The Paltalk room has asked a question- why did you get upset about JP & the god thing - when you used God to.?

R:"I used God? laugh, ...I sign everything Godspeed...do I think that I'm going to Heaven?yes"

S:"Did Ben Stanley ask the shareholders for 200,000?

R:"....Duane told John to put up or shut up....you want to hire a firm to deal with it...do it...Why did he say he hired an attorney....where is it?......"
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
omg so far what i read was bad lol
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"If the bonds are real why weren't they registered with the tresury?'

R:"....my comment on the bonds....if there is fraud...then the Vensualan gov't is jepordising there Euroclear acct.....if they did then let's go get their buts.....you got a problem with it come on....next question..."
 
Posted by sandor butosi on :
 
I LOVE CSHD. I made alot of money on this stock and Rufus is my hero!!!!
 
Posted by sandor butosi on :
 
Jenna I am Ross.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"So because it was not imported.....about the Georgia website....Eddie Torez last worked at the bank at '98, how did he sign the bond?

R;"I'm not going to comment on that....where did people get that information send it to me..."

S;"From HSM...This post is from Mike A....Rufus's friends & family were selling the stock last night..."

R:"Prove it...show me....don't talk out your butt.....ask him to prove it....I back what I say...."
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
Nice to hear from you Humble! Happy 2007 to you!

CSHD should make for a fun beginning to 2007. After following Rufus this evening I am reminded of one of the two great mysteries for this saga; WHAT did Rufus show the judge to gain this much leverage in the face of not even responding to the court? In the "normal" world that kind of behavior ends very badly. And yet with Rufus there seems to be a 10 mile rope. Why?

The other mystery: Euroclear, what did they see?

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
THank You Jenna. I'm listening but I think it's great that you are posting for those that can't.


KUDOS

Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"I'm still here, I'm not in jail, I'm not indited...."

S:"There are people who are saying that they've called the Venesulan bank...& said that..."

R:"Right I'm sure!!!"

S:"If we have fake bonds what is this going to do for the co...how will you get new assets?"

R;"We want to stop the SEC....& stop it at this point....we have to go through & work out where the fraud was perpatrated....I propose a new company....with new asstes...with 50 (something million in assests)..."
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
S;"From HSM...This post is from Mike A....Rufus's friends & family were delling the stock last night..."


What is delling?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Just because the proxy is completed doesn't mean that the court has approved it."

I think he said that it is done under the SEC-
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
S;"From HSM...This post is from Mike A....Rufus's friends & family were delling the stock last night..."


What is delling?

Sorry - edited- "selling"

this is hard.....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
S;"From HSM...This post is from Mike A....Rufus's friends & family were delling the stock last night..."


What is delling?

well the d is next to the s so I would guess selling....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Thanks Wally- please if I miss something - could you make sure you post it?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I have no clue what he is talking about now...Seko management????
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sandor butosi:
Jenna I am Ross.

OOOOHHHH!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"There is a ? about JA- do you think he is part of the Canadian Soprano's?'

R:"I have no idea...he is a German citizen....he was denied ....(something)...passport to the US?......
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"Some of my shares & Ben's shares were given to our friends & families...they didn't sell that I don;t know about...if they did sell them it was there right so if they sold some shares what does that matter. They recieved them from the merger."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
7.2 million shares....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
R:"Some of my shares & Ben's shares were given to our friends & families...they didn't sell that I don;t know about...if they did sell them it was there right so if they sold some shares what does that matter. They recieved them from the merger."

ok ill call this one... BS statement, im sure he told them to get rid of most of it......hes jsut protecting his azz

he basically gave away our money to his family wtf..i didnt think this was a charity stock?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
If anyone is sending in questions to Simon could they please comment that Bodi claims on HSM that CEOTA never existed? Im headed off to bed but id love to hear what the response is to that comment.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
Got in trouble on New years eve!
has been in jail!

Someone up in the food chain told me thats where he was the day we were suspended also.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"We are at the best scenario for it not to be subpenny is a shock to me."

S:"How are you going to get the co. back from JA."

R:"I would have to believe that the company was his to believe that I would have to take it from him...."

S:"A lot of people love John....."

R:"Good ya he's done a lot for you.....ya he perpatrated fraud right in front of your face.."

S:"Yeah right he's done a lot for us the PPs is still at .09...yeah right he's done a lot...(Simon laughing)...."

Rufus battery dies on his phone....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
frank wants to know if Rufus has ever hear of Bud Berrell.....Simon will ask when Rufus calls back...

Just traded is asking why is there nothing on the docket. Sim on spoke a while ago to the SEC - he wanted them on the show- why are you after CSHD - why are you after Rufus...they said it was against policy to speak with the press...Simon claims he's not part of the press....the SEC told Simon to watch Pacer....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
well Jenna whats your take with J.A. VS. Rufus....LOL
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
HEEEE's BAAAAAACKKKK.....


Dave is asking how do we clear this up, how do shareholders know who the CEO is?

R:"I'm giving you the op to vote on it."

S:"So where is this meeting going to be? Washington?

R;"Cute, cute...."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
well Jenna whats your take with J.A. VS. Rufus....LOL

Rufus claims to be CEO right now- I think Rufus is a little loopy....
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Oh my... Rufus is back... Just when i thought my nights were boring and i had returned to a normal sleep pattern..
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
CVSU and CSHD.US under construction for those who take note of such things.
..
..
addon: guess not anymore.. up now.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
The last time Rufus talked with the SEC in late DEC....Rufus contacted them....he spoke to John (he can't remember when) James was on the phone too so Rufus refused to talk with him in the phone....."Why is it relavent if I talked to that idiot?" "He can't get a visa to get into this country."

S:"When JA first surfaced....

R:"You were the one who surfaced John. I heard some guy was on here pumping the company...so I called in I wanted to know where he got his info....I considered it insider info.....The guy surfaced so I wanted to say that I had never talked with him, John said that he was getting his info from Ben."

S:"I thought it was odd. JA called the show as Tut and he knew stuff and I thought that was odd."

R:"I was wondering how he was coming up with dates....he was predicting the future."

Rufus is laughing....at a question Simon asked from Army guy.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
They are talking about how something was a coincidence....don't know what they are talking about....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Re:M N 1: they said Rufus would play the victim card....

R:"Where have I played the victim?"


6:1 is for all not just Wattle
 
Posted by frank021474 on :
 
pm jenna-
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
AS far as i'm concerned This POS is Rufus fault no matter what he says now. He should have been on top of all of it, with his years in the making. What was he doing during all that time. Nursing a hangover? He should have kept his mind on creating value in the stock for the shareholders instead of a few random people that sold before they lost their butts.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"How much did the co. pay Rufus in 2006...?"

R:"I don't know I'll have to go look.....when my tax return are filed you can look...."

S:"What happened to him saying he hasn't received a paycheck in ages...?"

R:"I never said that....You'll never find that on a tape...."

S:"Really, Sometimes when I listen back I think I reallhy said that."

Someone wants to know why he is still dancing around questions....

Simon is baffled at how Rufus doesn't even have a ballpark about his salary.

Rufus said maybe a little over 200....

S:"How much does CSHD have in cash in the bank?"

R:"Don't know....6 figures. That's one of those questions that doesn't matter..."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"How much did the co. pay Rufus in 2006...?"

R:"I don't know I'll have to go look.....when my tax return are filed you can look...."

S:"What happened to him saying he hasn't received a paycheck in ages...?"

R:"I never said that....You'll never find that on a tape...."

S:"Really, Sometimes when I listen back I think I reallhy said that."

Someone wants to know why he is still dancing around questions....

Simon is baffled at how Rufus doesn't even have a ballpark about his salary.

Rufus said maybe a little over 200....

S:"How much does CSHD have in cash in the bank?"

R:"Don't know....6 figures. That's one of those questions that doesn't matter..."
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Money in the bank doesn't matter. Does he think it's a shareholder?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
well Jenna whats your take with J.A. VS. Rufus....LOL

Rufus claims to be CEO right now- I think Rufus is a little loopy....
I'll bet a proxy goes out to vote between Rufus and Arlitt and ili also bet that Arlitt drops out of the running. I agree, Rufus is loopy, but i think youre gonna have to deal wih him for a whilr.

If he blows it hes going back to his room like Arlitt until he learns to stop saying things like "talkin out the butt"
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus said Bud Burrell sounds familiar. Rufus asking who he is.....Simon said he has an article about nakked short selling......
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
What about money for a lawyer or something.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
Oh my... Rufus is back... Just when i thought my nights were boring and i had returned to a normal sleep pattern..

LMAO!! Its like you read my mind
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Simon said that he wouldn't be surprised if JA did this....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Suddenly there's a six figure bank account.
I wish Simon would ask him where the account is to buy back all the shares.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
This is simply copied from Jenna's posts during this SPR show...Thank you so much Jenna...!!!

S:"You did confirm you got incarcerated."

R:"Yes, I went to a club & tried to break up a fight & got grabbed."

S:"It's floating around that you were changed with assaulting an officer."

R:"Originally I was but that was dropped. Things happen when you mix 500 people & alcohol."
"I had a DUI over a year ago so that was a probation violation. Actually it was a nice vacation & I caught up on some sleep. It wasn't that bad."

R:"There was a fight that ended up on our table & I tried to get it off our table. The place was way under staffed. It got out of hand."

S:"Some people love you & some people hate you. What is it that U wanted to share....?"

R:"I just wanted to clarify we are working on these issues. We are getting to the bottom of things."

S:"....There was some confusion about who's the real CEO....the new CEO is Tut...John Arlitt...he was putting out PR's and filings."

R:"I want to sit back & let them do what they wanted to do. I was going to watch & document. You want my opinion YES I am the CEO....I have issues with John, Mike A, & the Transfer Agent."
R:" I heard Mike A. had made some comments on HSM about the merger and frount haul.....but fronthaul doesn't exist anymore......I remember sitting down & talked with Mike & Dave...I have always felt that someone inside the comapny was working against me so I told Mike that if this starts to happen to out me......Mike did exactly as asked....."

S:"There's rumors that Sabra was the mastermind & snookered you & Mike."

R:"She brought Mike & the bonds to the table, now to get the bonds.....this is going to involve everyone even people at the Pentagon.....it's very strange here that the bashers that come out on the boards that come out bashing never come out bashing these indiviuals (people that work at gov't that had to do with the bonds)...

S:"The co. issued out some impressive PR's regarding AISS....Dr. Mensah insisted that you conned him."

R: laughing.....I hired PI's to track him & find where the money is....we said we invested a lot"
of money into this....can you look into this..."

S:"Dr. Mensah said he brought these retired gov't officials into this...."

R:"That's true.....(can't follow)

S:"For the long time shareholders they know the deal with Mensah...

R:"Just believe the court documents, they went and took fronthauls records not ours.....Mike used to be a law enforcer but lost his career for setting up the Mayor's son in a drug bust."
R:"Fronthaul was weeks away from bankruptcy."

S:"You said the FBI went and seized documents."

R:"It was recently...in 2007....from the fronthaul office." "They actually were going after CS's documents which is ok....but .....my last communication with James Gee, on my birthday, forced him to resign, he did it on his own, when I pointed out that the TA was able to put out an 8K-..."

S:"Were you using any of thosse ID's on the message boards last night."

R:" I have only gone under Rufus Paul Harris."

S:"People are saying that Mike A. is really running conversion. The last PR said that they need to raise money....Why in your opinion why would people believe that Mike would be putting all of this together....?"

R:"He was going to drop this in the SEC's hand....I said do not allow it to go into recivership...."

S:"Mike was supposed to go to Europe & close some deals....& we established that he never went to Europe.'

R;"Right he never went to meet with Romeo."

S:"He was going to get a forensic auditor...so he really didn't do anything."

R:"What he told us is that he told us that he hired the lawyer to represent attorney....but it turned out it was really a forensic auditor (he paid $7500)

S:"When asked if you had an attorney hired for CSHD you said no. SO the 7500 came from an alternative source. Was the audit completed?"

R:"It was never followed up with. I'm not concerned with the bonds, if they turn out to be fraud- they better lock up the people from the gov't that were behind the bonds. I never followed up with the forensic auditor. I as an individual will stay in the federal court system. We have prepared a proxy to move the corporation out with different assests & I'll stay back with the bonds. You can expect the proxy within.......2 weeks....get it signed off on & get the attorneys on board."

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S:"You are saying 2 weeks....I'm going to add an additional 2 weeks...so by Feb 23rd....they should recieve a proxy for the shareholders to move out of the default being held."

R:"How are you going to proceed without answering a default. I'm doing this as CEO."

S:"There's ?'s- have you answered any SHC for money for a lawyer."

R:"No- if anyone said that you are looking at a liar."

S:"There was a PR announcing the Shareholder meeting. A lot of people misunderstood, including me, but that was meant to be a clossed meeting."

R:"They had the ability to make a proxy on the website...we will do a proxy to the shareholders.."

S:"This Conf. call was told to the outsiders by the insiders, they said that there would be no secrecy that it was being recorded- Why hasn't that tape been available to shareholders?"

R:"Ask that of your SHC?"

R:"I'm back. Now we're gonna finish this."


S;"Is there any relationship between Darrly Horton & Ben Stanley?"

R:"I'm not aware of any.....I haven't removed Darryl as CFO...I have not terminated him....we owe him & it's not because we don't have the money....matter of fact Mr. Benson has given (testimony)...(something to the SEC?) (not sure)...

R:"They are trying to point the finger at me....but this will lead to a change in this market.....stop reading the trash....then you start believing your own crap."

S:"This is where I'm confused- you said in the past to only believe PR's. While Mike A was CEO he removed everyone...In order for CS to move on where it currently is - it's stuck in quickstand...if it were to go away then that's nothing for the NSS to worry about...."

R:"There scared to death...Haven't they put anything out not to trade it not to buy it?"

S:"No."

R:"Look at it this way- take or leave it- you don't like it sell it.....get out of my haor...the only people that can be upset at me is the Waatle shareholders that bought into the mess...you were here & now it's our company & we will clean up the mess.....If you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at yourself. Well, you bought the shares, your broker sold them to you, I don't know how he did. You are in better shape than you were in fronthaul....current PPS is higher than it was when it was fronthaul."

R:"You will get your proxy vote on it....."

S:"The thing is we've heard this song & dance- it's like the boy who cried wolf. Time will tell. Here's a question....toxic financing...do you know anything about that...?

can't keep up....

S:"Do you thing JA & Mike were shorting the stock."

R:"I don't think......."

S:"ask Rufus if the bonds are real."

R;'The documents provided to me were confirmed by many banks, we were desingned to be an asset company...this went throught the Pentagon.....

S:"Romeo is saying the bond documents are fake."

R;"I don't believe that....Romeo has been orfered to stand down on the bonds.'

S;"****s are saying that Romeo is saying foul play & that he was scammed by you."

R;"Don't believe that...last time I talked with him didn't have to do with the bonds- he was worried about his reputation because he signed it. We talked about his gold company."

S:"This individual said he spoke with Romeo on x-mas eve & that he recorded it."

S:"Where did the money come from to buy the horses?"

R:"I bought the horses with my own money...."

S:"The SHC is saying that not only did you ask for money from the SHC but that you asked for a certain amount - $200,000."

R:"That is a lie...they need to be hooked up to a lie detector test."

Duane Woods (I don't know what this is)

R:"Arlitt claimed he hired an attorney but he didn't."

S:"Maybe I should write a book......ArmyGuy is asking with re: to the court proceedings..."

R;"I see a proxy vote in the near future....the shareholders can vote on a project to buy.....to allow the comapny to move forward."

S:"When is the s4 going to be filed for this merger?"

R:"......the s4 will be the actual prospective will be in the proxy.."

S:"The info that an S4 would contain will be in the proxy...and the SEC will be ok with that.'

R:"I don't think it will be in violation of SEC rules.'

S:"Somewhere I thought I read that an actual S4 has to be filed."

R:"There's not even a fronthaul...it was dissolved....you can't unwind a merger.....It's done it's over with shares have been issued by the TA."

R:"Simon this will be a regular thing from here on out. I have chosen you as my voice."

S:"I appreciate that."
S:"If fronthaul was disolved than why was every filing titled Furia."

R:"Some idiot never changed the name....that goes back to that idiot. Did that answer your question...the idiot that had the codes never changes it in EDGAR....that'a why I tried to get the codes."
R:"......that's when I knew JA was part of the NSS ring....."

S:"Earlier I asked you if you thought if they were shorting it (JA & Mike).....& you said no."

R:"I don't even know how they got there shares."

S:"Since you have established you are the CEO- when can shareholders expect there 6:1...

R:"It will be in the package for you to vote on."

S:"So people should watch pacer."

R:"That's right...watch Pacers.....do you know what an RW is a requset for Withdrawl? It's a request to remove....(sorry)..I can't stay an officer & go to court...so the new company & new people"

S:"So you say new company..."

R:"You will be looking at new shares but we are getting into insider info...it will be on the proxy....if you are on the nobo list....you will get a proxy to vote...."

S:"There are a lot of people who asked for cert...holding certs & their name was not on the nobo list..."

R:"WOW- laughing....now you know what I'm saying...WOW...laughing."

(comment from Taxback: I heard this part... very clearly... this is a VERY interesting comment. Rufas said he told John first thing that should be done is a change in transfer agent, and John recommended "Signature" out of Plano TX. Rufas said that this is when he knew John was somehow connected to a NSS ring. "Signature" had approached him before promising to get any SEC letter he needed signed by an SEC attourney the next day. )

R:"If you hold your certs & do not recieve a proxy join a class action suit."

R:"You can't hold preferred- it has a term."

S:"Ross is saying I made 150,000 flipping this stock...did Rufus or any of his family make money on this stock..."

R:"No, none of my faimly either....JesusPower showed me his car that he bought a 60,000 car....he started freakin me out when he introduced his own father as God...."

S:"As part of your parole, do you have to take anger management classes?'

R;"No, nothing like that, that's a cute question."

S:"The Paltalk room has asked a question- why did you get upset about JP & the god thing - when you used God to.?

R:"I used God? laugh, ...I sign everything Godspeed...do I think that I'm going to Heaven?yes"

S:"Did Ben Stanley ask the shareholders for 200,000?

R:"....Duane told John to put up or shut up....you want to hire a firm to deal with it...do it...Why did he say he hired an attorney....where is it?......"

S:"If the bonds are real why weren't they registered with the tresury?'

R:"....my comment on the bonds....if there is fraud...then the Vensualan gov't is jepordising there Euroclear acct.....if they did then let's go get their buts.....you got a problem with it come on....next question..."

S:"So because it was not imported.....about the Georgia website....Eddie Torez last worked at the bank at '98, how did he sign the bond?

R;"I'm not going to comment on that....where did people get that information send it to me..."

S;"From HSM...This post is from Mike A....Rufus's friends & family were selling the stock last night..."

R:"Prove it...show me....don't talk out your butt.....ask him to prove it....I back what I say...."

R:"I'm still here, I'm not in jail, I'm not indited...."

S:"There are people who are saying that they've called the Venesulan bank...& said that..."

R:"Right I'm sure!!!"

S:"If we have fake bonds what is this going to do for the co...how will you get new assets?"

R;"We want to stop the SEC....& stop it at this point....we have to go through & work out where the fraud was perpatrated....I propose a new company....with new asstes...with 50 (something million in assests)..."

above posts are until 10:59

S:"Just because the proxy is completed doesn't mean that the court has approved it."

I think he said that it is done under the SEC-

S:"There is a ? about JA- do you think he is part of the Canadian Soprano's?'

R:"I have no idea...he is a German citizen....he was denied ....(something)...passport to the US?....

R:"Some of my shares & Ben's shares were given to our friends & families...they didn't sell that I don;t know about...if they did sell them it was there right so if they sold some shares what does that matter. They recieved them from the merger."

7.2 million shares....

R:"We are at the best scenario for it not to be subpenny is a shock to me."

S:"How are you going to get the co. back from JA."

R:"I would have to believe that the company was his to believe that I would have to take it from him...."

S:"A lot of people love John....."

R:"Good ya he's done a lot for you.....ya he perpatrated fraud right in front of your face.."

S:"Yeah right he's done a lot for us the PPs is still at .09...yeah right he's done a lot...(Simon laughing)...."

frank wants to know if Rufus has ever hear of Bud Berrell.....Simon will ask when Rufus calls back...

Just traded is asking why is there nothing on the docket. Sim on spoke a while ago to the SEC - he wanted them on the show- why are you after CSHD - why are you after Rufus...they said it was against policy to speak with the press...Simon claims he's not part of the press....the SEC told Simon to watch Pacer....

Dave is asking how do we clear this up, how do shareholders know who the CEO is?

R:"I'm giving you the op to vote on it."

S:"So where is this meeting going to be? Washington?

R;"Cute, cute...."

The last time Rufus talked with the SEC in late DEC....Rufus contacted them....he spoke to John (he can't remember when) James was on the phone too so Rufus refused to talk with him in the phone....."Why is it relavent if I talked to that idiot?" "He can't get a visa to get into this country."

S:"When JA first surfaced....

R:"You were the one who surfaced John. I heard some guy was on here pumping the company...so I called in I wanted to know where he got his info....I considered it insider info.....The guy surfaced so I wanted to say that I had never talked with him, John said that he was getting his info from Ben."

S:"I thought it was odd. JA called the show as Tut and he knew stuff and I thought that was odd."

R:"I was wondering how he was coming up with dates....he was predicting the future."

Rufus is laughing....at a question Simon asked from Army guy.....

Re:M N 1: they said Rufus would play the victim card....

R:"Where have I played the victim?"


6:1 is for all not just Wattle

S:"How much did the co. pay Rufus in 2006...?"

R:"I don't know I'll have to go look.....when my tax return are filed you can look...."

S:"What happened to him saying he hasn't received a paycheck in ages...?"

R:"I never said that....You'll never find that on a tape...."

S:"Really, Sometimes when I listen back I think I reallhy said that."

Someone wants to know why he is still dancing around questions....

Simon is baffled at how Rufus doesn't even have a ballpark about his salary.

Rufus said maybe a little over 200....

S:"How much does CSHD have in cash in the bank?"

R:"Don't know....6 figures. That's one of those questions that doesn't matter..."

S:"How much did the co. pay Rufus in 2006...?"

R:"I don't know I'll have to go look.....when my tax return are filed you can look...."

S:"What happened to him saying he hasn't received a paycheck in ages...?"

R:"I never said that....You'll never find that on a tape...."

S:"Really, Sometimes when I listen back I think I reallhy said that."

Someone wants to know why he is still dancing around questions....

Simon is baffled at how Rufus doesn't even have a ballpark about his salary.

Rufus said maybe a little over 200....

S:"How much does CSHD have in cash in the bank?"

R:"Don't know....6 figures. That's one of those questions that doesn't matter..."

S:"How much did the co. pay Rufus in 2006...?"

R:"I don't know I'll have to go look.....when my tax return are filed you can look...."

S:"What happened to him saying he hasn't received a paycheck in ages...?"

R:"I never said that....You'll never find that on a tape...."

S:"Really, Sometimes when I listen back I think I reallhy said that."

Someone wants to know why he is still dancing around questions....

Simon is baffled at how Rufus doesn't even have a ballpark about his salary.

Rufus said maybe a little over 200....

S:"How much does CSHD have in cash in the bank?"

R:"Don't know....6 figures. That's one of those questions that doesn't matter..."
Simon said that he wouldn't be surprised if JA did this....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
200k ok..now ask how much he made off stock options...if he says none, hes lieing to you...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Rufus was after Michael Holbrook because he warned FHAL that it was him squeezing FHAL. He told MA he would help him get Holbrook and some organization
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
Hey surfer, can you answer my PM! THX
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Gunny is saying last time that Rufus refused to turn anything over to John or does John now have access to files....

Last Rufus knew James Gee had the documents....those documents were information on Nakked Shorting and 1,000 more emails not gone through.....

Does JA have access?

Negative- he got the website codes....

Ford Racing is asking did Rufus actually want a company or just $15 /share through RICO?

R:"I looked at the trading for one hour & I could give him 2 names Mike Holbrook & an institution.....I told him this is what I could do for the shareholders...this is why we continued with this company....& that's the reason to go public...

Someone asked if RUfus had a trade acct would he buy CSHD at these prices.....

R:"YES, with everything I had....at any price under $4.00....

Someone is asking where the money is from the preferred stock sale...

R:"Somebody is talking out there but...I don't know where it is....that's a stupid question."

Someone asked if he's moved....

R:"Nope, still here at the ranch...c'mon & get some...."

Sweetsplatt has said they have accepted a article in the wallstreet journal - would you answer some questions for her?

R:"Sure.....I don't have a drinking problem but I need to drink when I talk to idiots...."
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
He drinks so he can stand talking to idiots.
Like he is a genius after this.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Can someone take over? I have to go......
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Somebody call his little ass out. Meet him hand to hand. mono en mono
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
He drinks so he can stand talking to idiots.
Like he is a genius after this.

LMAO.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
EEEWW, he wants to sing Amazing Grace- WTH? LUSH!!! He wants to hum it...he's waiting for Simon to call someone....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
He drinks so he can stand talking to idiots.
Like he is a genius after this.

i just have zero respect for this drunk......he has some balls to come back when nothing is resolved..ill tell you that...arrogant sob. prolly got drunk and said hey i need some attention...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Is someone taking over? Someone else is about to interview him....a shareholder...could get interesting.....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
I guess im a moron or an idiot, because i think rufus is a moron and an idiot...


remember that one? i rephrased it of course
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This investor is on the line with him.....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I can't type fast enough. I don't think Rufus should be enjoying his self this much.

The wall street journal is going to run an article wrote by a s/h
THERES ROOM ON SUBPENNY TO GET ON.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Can someone take over? I'm in NY so it's after midnight....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
I guess im a moron or an idiot, because i think rufus is a moron and an idiot...


remember that one? i rephrased it of course

I dont think youre an idiot [Razz]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Can someone take over? I'm in NY so it's after midnight....

Sorry Jen but ill be drrrrrraggin my burtt to bed now

gnight
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Did someone within the company contact the SEC as well as ourstreet which ultimately led to the halt.

"No there was no contact with ourstreet but there were conversations with SEC & Nasdaq....I think the 6:1 led to the halt."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
It started with someone named Jennifer that was insisting it was a dividend.....


Guys sorry- I have to go..............
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
hey jenna im in miami, stop your whinning and ge tback to work...

jk thanks jenna u must be tired have a good night
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Suddenly there's a six figure bank account.
I wish Simon would ask him where the account is to buy back all the shares.

lol u guys still believe anything this guy says? ahvent u learned anything? hes gonna have a great laugh tonight after he hangs up...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Boston LIVE!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
He's laughing and having a good old time already. Yall shareholders sure are a funny buncha broncs.


quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Suddenly there's a six figure bank account.
I wish Simon would ask him where the account is to buy back all the shares.

lol u guys still believe anything this guy says? ahvent u learned anything? hes gonna have a great laugh tonight after he hangs up...

 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
It's hard to share his amusement about things. So he thinks he's still the CEO, while we are all in the dark for 2 months now wondering what the hell is going on.
As far as MA is concerned the merger is off (don't know if thats possible at this point) and fhal is on. he said the merger got violated by fraud.
Rufus should have made sure those bonds would work, before he even mentioned them. He could have shut up till he could back up what he says, which he didn't . Even though he says he does.... it's hard to convince a lot of people of that now IMO
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rufus may come back on. trying to get him back now,
THERES ROOM ON SUBPENNY TO GET ON. I DID.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Holy Cow! {or horse , in this case}

I vowed to stay away from here except to chat because I missed ya all when I was on vacation,
Now here we go AGAIN [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
STRANGE DAYS FROM hsm.
Rufus says he's doing good. HAHAHAHA
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
MA and DP said that Rufus is a multiple personality?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 

 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I would keep the content off the boards after all we have been through.

Not follerin ya?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
According to Ruf MA doesn't have the 50 mil shares to use the power.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Not follerin ya?

Ya me either... sorry. Rufas said he would like to send out a Prospectus and Proxy... I was just comenting to someone the handling of these materials if they ever show.
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
The original plan is coming together, about time but it is what Rufus told us from the start!

I like what I'm hearing on SPR......
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I asked questions weeks ago that no one could answer, here they are again.

1. who is the leaders in our company?
2. who is the shc? except for maybe Portman?
3. who is slowly making money off of this day after day?

After listening to everything tonight,it is more confusing then ever.
We know several people are lairs, but are all of them?
I started with Rufus, and guess I'll end with him.Tut has done nothing ! SHC , nothing, except to somehow supposidly remove Rufus without shareholders knowing. I know they said it was majority vote, but who voted? Now Rufus says he is still ceo, as 10 stated earlier, i have a headache.
Bash me if you want, but I haven't trusted tut ever sense I read all the past info on him being a paid pumper at one time. I really don't trust anyone anymore which is sad. But between tut and Rufus, I;ll go with Rufus and hopefully some day we will all know the whole truth, but am not going to hold my breath.

Portman, where are ya man? I used to think I could trust you, but you are gone.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
MA and DP said that Rufus is a multiple personality?

Watch out!!!! I don't trust them either....I think they have an agenda....Why are they coming out all of the sudden? It seems like they are "campaigning" in some way.!!!


I feel like there next move is to have Eccowood (which I feel is bogus) go public....& then a pump & dump!!!! I do not trust them!!!! Even if they say something negative about Rufus I don't believe them...SHADY....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Someone named Trout is telling Rufus that his plan failed.....& that he let the shareholders down...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This guy wants to tell Rufus about a few people that has been hurt by him...."You said you were setting up the SHC.....I want you know about a lady named Estella she invested to leave money to her grandchildern....theres a man you talked to last time that lost his life saving & had to work at an oil rig because he lost everything....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
"You did not have a lawyer, you still do not have a lawyer.....in order to settle this take all the documents you have to the SEC....Miss Alana Black said that the Bonds are real but you do not own them......sir don't you cut me off...I am a shareholder...sir you have tried to fool us all....you have slipped a mickey into my koolaid & you got me drunk once but you will not get me drunk again.....there are enough drunks in this company!"
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
"You have said for 2 weeks that a proxy is coming....where is it? Where is it?"
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anthony is coming on......
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Simon said Rufus you have to understand these people have lost there lifesavings.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
DDClay is on........

"Mr. Harris....you & I have talked on several occassions....I have a question for you....You mentioned that people have discussed with you about converting your shares.....remember you said you would have dinner with me & my wife....I'm disappointed."

R: "You are a gangster & an ashole....you said you have a gun...you are a psycho......

Ernest: "..and you are a theif."

R: "You are a gangster & you said you are going to pop a cap in someone's as*."

Ernest: "I bought the first stock & I would like to get my money back! I wired $30,000 into COnversion Solutions Account, & I would like it back."

R: "I'm coming after you next! Listen to me gangster if you call my house again I will have you arressted!"
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Bless your heart , Jenna.

Thought you were going to bed? I can't hear whats going on , so thank you ,I am enjoying your words.But young one, you need your sleep.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anthony is on the line.....

"Mr. Harris, I want to make a quick statement....I don't trust anyone....I'm just letting this play out.....Trout is passionate we have all bonded & people have lost a lot of money & a lot of people have been hurt.....whether it's your fault or not....as a CEO I think you were an ok guy - you just need to be a little more compassionate...."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Bless your heart , Jenna.

Thought you were going to bed? I can't hear whats going on , so thank you ,I am enjoying your words.But young one, you need your sleep.

True momma true- the little ones will be up early....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R: "If fraud is found from any party it will be prosecuted.....I want everybody to understand yeah it doesn't look to good & if you lost money that means you sold I told you all to hold..."
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Bless your heart , Jenna.

Thought you were going to bed? I can't hear whats going on , so thank you ,I am enjoying your words.But young one, you need your sleep.

True momma true- the little ones will be up early....
It's hard to walk away isn't it? Too addicting.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anthony: "I want to add this last statement....one minute your saying this person is a good guy then you are saying they are part of a conspiricy...you used to say John is a good person..."

R: "I'm not saying he is a bad person...."

Anthony: "I stand behind the decision I made I still stand behind that.....Yes, I was part of that vote....."

R: "Each & every shareholder that voted is liable for the PPS that it is now....."

Anthony: "...and I could say the same for you Mr. Harris. There's a lot of people out here that don't know that you didn't get a lawyer...when we asked you, you said you were going to meet with someone in Washington but then you said you did't have a lawyer"

Anthony again: "Do you want to tell the truth of how it really happened? JA had an MM that was ready to go Mr, Harris said that he wanted a lawyer to look at it tomarrow but tomarrow never happened..."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Bless your heart , Jenna.

Thought you were going to bed? I can't hear whats going on , so thank you ,I am enjoying your words.But young one, you need your sleep.

True momma true- the little ones will be up early....
It's hard to walk away isn't it? Too addicting.
Yup!!
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
great, john had mm lined up, rufus wanted to keep us delisted according to HSM
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anthony: "Mr. Harris, you lied to me...I asked you a question & you lied to me...."

R: "Sue me..."

Anthony: "I didn't come on here to sue you. Why do you get upset? Do you have something to hide?"
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anthony; "That's one of the differences....somethings they proposed I agreed with some I didn't...I don't trust anyone...even when we put JA in that postition I don't trust him either...I don't trust anyone...but we think he can get things done...."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R: "The only one I trust is Ben Stanley."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anthony: "Oh that's the question I wanted to ask...what happened to the original nobo list from Oct 16th?"

R: "I have it.....& I hold the second one."

Anthony: "That's good to know."

Anthony again: "Is there anyway to know if the people who sold after the 16th will get there shares....."

R: "yes, absolutely."

Anthony: "What ever happened to the 900 mill in escarole?"

R: "It's sitting in a bank....national bank of Panama."

S:"Is that money liquid?"

R:"IF we didn't set the funds aside.......(didn't caught it)
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good night...........
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good night to all and to all a good night.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good night.....may you have....

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Champagne Wishes
&
Caviar Dreams!!!!

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Posted by Jenna on :
 
I have to say it was hard to transcribe & I did miss some things....some of the things I missed had to do with JA....and they were negative things that Rufus was saying....something about John offering money to Rufus for something...I just wanted to put that out there to make it fair....if I get to listen to a replay I will try to post them....if anyone else listens ....please post them....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Joy from HSM: "So who is our CEO?"

R: "You're talking to him."
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Jesus Jenna, nice job. It's a shame CSHD is like crack to you, seeing as you were up a good 2 hours after you first said "Hey guy, I have to go." [Smile]

Thanks for giving me somethign entertaining to read this morning!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Thanks Jenna for typing the screenplay [Big Grin] . I hope you're not too tired today!
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
R: "If fraud is found from any party it will be prosecuted.....I want everybody to understand yeah it doesn't look to good & if you lost money that means you sold I told you all to hold..."

Is this whole thing some kind of sick joke???
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
This is simply copied from Jenna's posts during this SPR show...Thank you so much Jenna...!!!
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:


S:"You did confirm you got incarcerated."

R:"Yes, I went to a club & tried to break up a fight & got grabbed."

S:"It's floating around that you were changed with assaulting an officer."

R:"Originally I was but that was dropped. Things happen when you mix 500 people & alcohol."
"I had a DUI over a year ago so that was a probation violation. Actually it was a nice vacation & I caught up on some sleep. It wasn't that bad."

R:"There was a fight that ended up on our table & I tried to get it off our table. The place was way under staffed. It got out of hand."

S:"Some people love you & some people hate you. What is it that U wanted to share....?"

R:"I just wanted to clarify we are working on these issues. We are getting to the bottom of things."

S:"....There was some confusion about who's the real CEO....the new CEO is Tut...John Arlitt...he was putting out PR's and filings."

R:"I want to sit back & let them do what they wanted to do. I was going to watch & document. You want my opinion YES I am the CEO....I have issues with John, Mike A, & the Transfer Agent."
R:" I heard Mike A. had made some comments on HSM about the merger and frount haul.....but fronthaul doesn't exist anymore......I remember sitting down & talked with Mike & Dave...I have always felt that someone inside the comapny was working against me so I told Mike that if this starts to happen to out me......Mike did exactly as asked....."

S:"There's rumors that Sabra was the mastermind & snookered you & Mike."

R:"She brought Mike & the bonds to the table, now to get the bonds.....this is going to involve everyone even people at the Pentagon.....it's very strange here that the bashers that come out on the boards that come out bashing never come out bashing these indiviuals (people that work at gov't that had to do with the bonds)...

S:"The co. issued out some impressive PR's regarding AISS....Dr. Mensah insisted that you conned him."

R: laughing.....I hired PI's to track him & find where the money is....we said we invested a lot"
of money into this....can you look into this..."

S:"Dr. Mensah said he brought these retired gov't officials into this...."

R:"That's true.....(can't follow)

S:"For the long time shareholders they know the deal with Mensah...

R:"Just believe the court documents, they went and took fronthauls records not ours.....Mike used to be a law enforcer but lost his career for setting up the Mayor's son in a drug bust."
R:"Fronthaul was weeks away from bankruptcy."

S:"You said the FBI went and seized documents."

R:"It was recently...in 2007....from the fronthaul office." "They actually were going after CS's documents which is ok....but .....my last communication with James Gee, on my birthday, forced him to resign, he did it on his own, when I pointed out that the TA was able to put out an 8K-..."

S:"Were you using any of thosse ID's on the message boards last night."

R:" I have only gone under Rufus Paul Harris."

S:"People are saying that Mike A. is really running conversion. The last PR said that they need to raise money....Why in your opinion why would people believe that Mike would be putting all of this together....?"

R:"He was going to drop this in the SEC's hand....I said do not allow it to go into recivership...."

S:"Mike was supposed to go to Europe & close some deals....& we established that he never went to Europe.'

R;"Right he never went to meet with Romeo."

S:"He was going to get a forensic auditor...so he really didn't do anything."

R:"What he told us is that he told us that he hired the lawyer to represent attorney....but it turned out it was really a forensic auditor (he paid $7500)

S:"When asked if you had an attorney hired for CSHD you said no. SO the 7500 came from an alternative source. Was the audit completed?"

R:"It was never followed up with. I'm not concerned with the bonds, if they turn out to be fraud- they better lock up the people from the gov't that were behind the bonds. I never followed up with the forensic auditor. I as an individual will stay in the federal court system. We have prepared a proxy to move the corporation out with different assests & I'll stay back with the bonds. You can expect the proxy within.......2 weeks....get it signed off on & get the attorneys on board."

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S:"You are saying 2 weeks....I'm going to add an additional 2 weeks...so by Feb 23rd....they should recieve a proxy for the shareholders to move out of the default being held."

R:"How are you going to proceed without answering a default. I'm doing this as CEO."

S:"There's ?'s- have you answered any SHC for money for a lawyer."

R:"No- if anyone said that you are looking at a liar."

S:"There was a PR announcing the Shareholder meeting. A lot of people misunderstood, including me, but that was meant to be a clossed meeting."

R:"They had the ability to make a proxy on the website...we will do a proxy to the shareholders.."

S:"This Conf. call was told to the outsiders by the insiders, they said that there would be no secrecy that it was being recorded- Why hasn't that tape been available to shareholders?"

R:"Ask that of your SHC?"

R:"I'm back. Now we're gonna finish this."


S;"Is there any relationship between Darrly Horton & Ben Stanley?"

R:"I'm not aware of any.....I haven't removed Darryl as CFO...I have not terminated him....we owe him & it's not because we don't have the money....matter of fact Mr. Benson has given (testimony)...(something to the SEC?) (not sure)...

R:"They are trying to point the finger at me....but this will lead to a change in this market.....stop reading the trash....then you start believing your own crap."

S:"This is where I'm confused- you said in the past to only believe PR's. While Mike A was CEO he removed everyone...In order for CS to move on where it currently is - it's stuck in quickstand...if it were to go away then that's nothing for the NSS to worry about...."

R:"There scared to death...Haven't they put anything out not to trade it not to buy it?"

S:"No."

R:"Look at it this way- take or leave it- you don't like it sell it.....get out of my haor...the only people that can be upset at me is the Waatle shareholders that bought into the mess...you were here & now it's our company & we will clean up the mess.....If you want to be pissed at someone be pissed at yourself. Well, you bought the shares, your broker sold them to you, I don't know how he did. You are in better shape than you were in fronthaul....current PPS is higher than it was when it was fronthaul."

R:"You will get your proxy vote on it....."

S:"The thing is we've heard this song & dance- it's like the boy who cried wolf. Time will tell. Here's a question....toxic financing...do you know anything about that...?

can't keep up....

S:"Do you thing JA & Mike were shorting the stock."

R:"I don't think......."

S:"ask Rufus if the bonds are real."

R;'The documents provided to me were confirmed by many banks, we were desingned to be an asset company...this went throught the Pentagon.....

S:"Romeo is saying the bond documents are fake."

R;"I don't believe that....Romeo has been orfered to stand down on the bonds.'

S;"****s are saying that Romeo is saying foul play & that he was scammed by you."

R;"Don't believe that...last time I talked with him didn't have to do with the bonds- he was worried about his reputation because he signed it. We talked about his gold company."

S:"This individual said he spoke with Romeo on x-mas eve & that he recorded it."

S:"Where did the money come from to buy the horses?"

R:"I bought the horses with my own money...."

S:"The SHC is saying that not only did you ask for money from the SHC but that you asked for a certain amount - $200,000."

R:"That is a lie...they need to be hooked up to a lie detector test."

Duane Woods (I don't know what this is)

R:"Arlitt claimed he hired an attorney but he didn't."

S:"Maybe I should write a book......ArmyGuy is asking with re: to the court proceedings..."

R;"I see a proxy vote in the near future....the shareholders can vote on a project to buy.....to allow the comapny to move forward."

S:"When is the s4 going to be filed for this merger?"

R:"......the s4 will be the actual prospective will be in the proxy.."

S:"The info that an S4 would contain will be in the proxy...and the SEC will be ok with that.'

R:"I don't think it will be in violation of SEC rules.'

S:"Somewhere I thought I read that an actual S4 has to be filed."

R:"There's not even a fronthaul...it was dissolved....you can't unwind a merger.....It's done it's over with shares have been issued by the TA."

R:"Simon this will be a regular thing from here on out. I have chosen you as my voice."

S:"I appreciate that."
S:"If fronthaul was disolved than why was every filing titled Furia."

R:"Some idiot never changed the name....that goes back to that idiot. Did that answer your question...the idiot that had the codes never changes it in EDGAR....that'a why I tried to get the codes."
R:"......that's when I knew JA was part of the NSS ring....."

S:"Earlier I asked you if you thought if they were shorting it (JA & Mike).....& you said no."

R:"I don't even know how they got there shares."

S:"Since you have established you are the CEO- when can shareholders expect there 6:1...

R:"It will be in the package for you to vote on."

S:"So people should watch pacer."

R:"That's right...watch Pacers.....do you know what an RW is a requset for Withdrawl? It's a request to remove....(sorry)..I can't stay an officer & go to court...so the new company & new people"

S:"So you say new company..."

R:"You will be looking at new shares but we are getting into insider info...it will be on the proxy....if you are on the nobo list....you will get a proxy to vote...."

S:"There are a lot of people who asked for cert...holding certs & their name was not on the nobo list..."

R:"WOW- laughing....now you know what I'm saying...WOW...laughing."

(comment from Taxback: I heard this part... very clearly... this is a VERY interesting comment. Rufas said he told John first thing that should be done is a change in transfer agent, and John recommended "Signature" out of Plano TX. Rufas said that this is when he knew John was somehow connected to a NSS ring. "Signature" had approached him before promising to get any SEC letter he needed signed by an SEC attourney the next day. )

R:"If you hold your certs & do not recieve a proxy join a class action suit."

R:"You can't hold preferred- it has a term."

S:"Ross is saying I made 150,000 flipping this stock...did Rufus or any of his family make money on this stock..."

R:"No, none of my faimly either....JesusPower showed me his car that he bought a 60,000 car....he started freakin me out when he introduced his own father as God...."

S:"As part of your parole, do you have to take anger management classes?'

R;"No, nothing like that, that's a cute question."

S:"The Paltalk room has asked a question- why did you get upset about JP & the god thing - when you used God to.?

R:"I used God? laugh, ...I sign everything Godspeed...do I think that I'm going to Heaven?yes"

S:"Did Ben Stanley ask the shareholders for 200,000?

R:"....Duane told John to put up or shut up....you want to hire a firm to deal with it...do it...Why did he say he hired an attorney....where is it?......"

S:"If the bonds are real why weren't they registered with the tresury?'

R:"....my comment on the bonds....if there is fraud...then the Vensualan gov't is jepordising there Euroclear acct.....if they did then let's go get their buts.....you got a problem with it come on....next question..."

S:"So because it was not imported.....about the Georgia website....Eddie Torez last worked at the bank at '98, how did he sign the bond?

R;"I'm not going to comment on that....where did people get that information send it to me..."

S;"From HSM...This post is from Mike A....Rufus's friends & family were selling the stock last night..."

R:"Prove it...show me....don't talk out your butt.....ask him to prove it....I back what I say...."

R:"I'm still here, I'm not in jail, I'm not indited...."

S:"There are people who are saying that they've called the Venesulan bank...& said that..."

R:"Right I'm sure!!!"

S:"If we have fake bonds what is this going to do for the co...how will you get new assets?"

R;"We want to stop the SEC....& stop it at this point....we have to go through & work out where the fraud was perpatrated....I propose a new company....with new asstes...with 50 (something million in assests)..."

above posts are until 10:59

S:"Just because the proxy is completed doesn't mean that the court has approved it."

I think he said that it is done under the SEC-

S:"There is a ? about JA- do you think he is part of the Canadian Soprano's?'

R:"I have no idea...he is a German citizen....he was denied ....(something)...passport to the US?....

R:"Some of my shares & Ben's shares were given to our friends & families...they didn't sell that I don;t know about...if they did sell them it was there right so if they sold some shares what does that matter. They recieved them from the merger."

7.2 million shares....

R:"We are at the best scenario for it not to be subpenny is a shock to me."

S:"How are you going to get the co. back from JA."

R:"I would have to believe that the company was his to believe that I would have to take it from him...."

S:"A lot of people love John....."

R:"Good ya he's done a lot for you.....ya he perpatrated fraud right in front of your face.."

S:"Yeah right he's done a lot for us the PPs is still at .09...yeah right he's done a lot...(Simon laughing)...."

frank wants to know if Rufus has ever hear of Bud Berrell.....Simon will ask when Rufus calls back...

Just traded is asking why is there nothing on the docket. Sim on spoke a while ago to the SEC - he wanted them on the show- why are you after CSHD - why are you after Rufus...they said it was against policy to speak with the press...Simon claims he's not part of the press....the SEC told Simon to watch Pacer....

Dave is asking how do we clear this up, how do shareholders know who the CEO is?

R:"I'm giving you the op to vote on it."

S:"So where is this meeting going to be? Washington?

R;"Cute, cute...."

The last time Rufus talked with the SEC in late DEC....Rufus contacted them....he spoke to John (he can't remember when) James was on the phone too so Rufus refused to talk with him in the phone....."Why is it relavent if I talked to that idiot?" "He can't get a visa to get into this country."

S:"When JA first surfaced....

R:"You were the one who surfaced John. I heard some guy was on here pumping the company...so I called in I wanted to know where he got his info....I considered it insider info.....The guy surfaced so I wanted to say that I had never talked with him, John said that he was getting his info from Ben."

S:"I thought it was odd. JA called the show as Tut and he knew stuff and I thought that was odd."

R:"I was wondering how he was coming up with dates....he was predicting the future."

Rufus is laughing....at a question Simon asked from Army guy.....

Re:M N 1: they said Rufus would play the victim card....

R:"Where have I played the victim?"


6:1 is for all not just Wattle

S:"How much did the co. pay Rufus in 2006...?"

R:"I don't know I'll have to go look.....when my tax return are filed you can look...."

S:"What happened to him saying he hasn't received a paycheck in ages...?"

R:"I never said that....You'll never find that on a tape...."

S:"Really, Sometimes when I listen back I think I reallhy said that."

Someone wants to know why he is still dancing around questions....

Simon is baffled at how Rufus doesn't even have a ballpark about his salary.

Rufus said maybe a little over 200....

S:"How much does CSHD have in cash in the bank?"

R:"Don't know....6 figures. That's one of those questions that doesn't matter..."

S:"How much did the co. pay Rufus in 2006...?"

R:"I don't know I'll have to go look.....when my tax return are filed you can look...."

S:"What happened to him saying he hasn't received a paycheck in ages...?"

R:"I never said that....You'll never find that on a tape...."

S:"Really, Sometimes when I listen back I think I reallhy said that."

Someone wants to know why he is still dancing around questions....

Simon is baffled at how Rufus doesn't even have a ballpark about his salary.

Rufus said maybe a little over 200....

S:"How much does CSHD have in cash in the bank?"

R:"Don't know....6 figures. That's one of those questions that doesn't matter..."

S:"How much did the co. pay Rufus in 2006...?"

R:"I don't know I'll have to go look.....when my tax return are filed you can look...."

S:"What happened to him saying he hasn't received a paycheck in ages...?"

R:"I never said that....You'll never find that on a tape...."

S:"Really, Sometimes when I listen back I think I reallhy said that."

Someone wants to know why he is still dancing around questions....

Simon is baffled at how Rufus doesn't even have a ballpark about his salary.

Rufus said maybe a little over 200....

S:"How much does CSHD have in cash in the bank?"

R:"Don't know....6 figures. That's one of those questions that doesn't matter..."
Simon said that he wouldn't be surprised if JA did this....


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
So much crap to wade through...Why is Rufas still able to go on SPR and say the things he has said? If Rufas is full of CRAP? Why hasn't the SEC stepped in and arrested him? Why hasn't JA done anything? Where the hell is SABRA? She brought these bonds and MA/FHAL to Rufas...WTH!

Hey SEC? LET's DO something!
LMAO...Way, WAY too much STUFF! I hope that SOMEDAY we will know the true answers...
Have a good day everyone!
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Yea I agree 10.

Why is Simon even letting him on the show?? Ratings...

I say keep him off the air. If he wants to prove something let him do it through action.

Momma always said "action always speaks louder than words"
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
SEC can't arrested him... but I hear you.

Near as I can tell, they can't even enforce a gag order.

But yeah- I listened to this for about an hour, and felt it was more or less the same deal. I had hoped that RPH had grown as a result of all the hi-jinks, but he hasn't. Same old stuff. If he had come on the air with legal counsel and a clear, succinct plan of action, I may have been encouraged. But he was just plain ol' Rufus- hot tempered and vague.

It was entertaining at first, but then it was almost sad.

He may pull it together, but nothing he said last night made me think that any resolution will occur anytime soon.

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
So much crap to wade through...Why is Rufas still able to go on SPR and say the things he has said? If Rufas is full of CRAP? Why hasn't the SEC stepped in and arrested him? Why hasn't JA done anything? Where the hell is SABRA? She brought these bonds and MA/FHAL to Rufas...WTH!

Hey SEC? LET's DO something!
LMAO...Way, WAY too much STUFF! I hope that SOMEDAY we will know the true answers...
Have a good day everyone!


 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
Old Rufus was at it again I see. Wow...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Thats three main guys in the company that have been on the boards or somewhere in the last few days, talking there stance on things. It' almost like they are campaigning for the pros and cons of this proxy vote, which I don't understand yet.
I would just as soon vote for Harris to just take back this garbage company and just pay us off. Maybe he can enlist in the marines and go fight terrorist or something.
 
Posted by Sandusky on :
 
Uhhh...What just happened? Are we rich yet?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Thats three main guys in the company that have been on the boards or somewhere in the last few days, talking there stance on things. It' almost like they are campaigning for the pros and cons of this proxy vote, which I don't understand yet.
I would just as soon vote for Harris to just take back this garbage company and just pay us off. Maybe he can enlist in the marines and go fight terrorist or something.

That is exactly how I feel , like Mike is campaigning!!!! I think he is using John to get the company out of this mess....so he's not in the "hotseat" & then when it's fix he wants to swooop back in like HE'S the hero....I don't trust it....as far as Rufus taking this back...are you serious? He even said he needs to be separate from the company...he said he has to be removed along with the bonds from the company so the the co. can move forward & get back to business.....then he & the bonds go forward with the court case......

I also think Mike A. is setting up a campaign to "raise" shareholders for Eccowood (which I believe is totally bogus) I think he is looking to take it public & pump it.....personally, I want nothing to do with Mike A.....he admitted that CEOTA was bogus....wasn't that his or something? I'm not familiar with it but- how the heck can he be trusted? He sounds like a snake in the grass to me.....

I think he's using John & then going to get rid of him when it's safe......
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I am starting to agree with this assessment.

Nice work last night Jenna
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey Matty!!!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Hey Matt! I was wondering what your take on all of was going to be.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Jenna thanks for all of your effort and loss of beauty sleep in order to post the SPR crapola last night.
It seems like regardless of which way this is going to go it's gonna be awhile. It's hard to tell who is watching out for who anymore. According to Rufus a company can't even give out a share distribution without rasing a flag(at least this one), according to the SEC the bonds are bad, according to JA,MA the Dufus is bad, according to the Dufus the JA, MA are out of line.
Sadly enough Rufus is the only one that sounds like anything makes any sense, if we can appreciate long drawn out court battles and insider feuding for the next who knows how long. [Mad]


quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Thats three main guys in the company that have been on the boards or somewhere in the last few days, talking there stance on things. It' almost like they are campaigning for the pros and cons of this proxy vote, which I don't understand yet.
I would just as soon vote for Harris to just take back this garbage company and just pay us off. Maybe he can enlist in the marines and go fight terrorist or something.

That is exactly how I feel , like Mike is campaigning!!!! I think he is using John to get the company out of this mess....so he's not in the "hotseat" & then when it's fix he wants to swooop back in like HE'S the hero....I don't trust it....as far as Rufus taking this back...are you serious? He even said he needs to be separate from the company...he said he has to be removed along with the bonds from the company so the the co. can move forward & get back to business.....then he & the bonds go forward with the court case......

I also think Mike A. is setting up a campaign to "raise" shareholders for Eccowood (which I believe is totally bogus) I think he is looking to take it public & pump it.....personally, I want nothing to do with Mike A.....he admitted that CEOTA was bogus....wasn't that his or something? I'm not familiar with it but- how the heck can he be trusted? He sounds like a snake in the grass to me.....

I think he's using John & then going to get rid of him when it's safe......


 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Matt, you have a PM
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
whoops
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
R:"......that's when I knew JA was part of the NSS ring....."

S:"Earlier I asked you if you thought if they were shorting it (JA & Mike).....& you said no."

R:"I don't even know how they got there shares."

I heard this part... very clearly... this is a VERY interesting comment. Rufas said he told John first thing that should be done is a change in transfer agent, and John recommended "Signature" out of Plano TX. Rufas said that this is when he knew John was somehow connected to a NSS ring. "Signature" had approached him before promising to get any SEC letter he needed signed by an SEC attourney the next day.
This doesn't make sense....sorry Rufus....somethings you said last night made sense but this didn't.....a NSS ring? What a joke....People claim that he pumped on the boards....yet he was a shorter...c'mon.....usually the shorters bash....this would be the first time I heard of a pumping shorter...now that's funny....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by sandor butosi:
Jenna I am Ross.

Wow- you're the one that made 150,000 on this? You played it right...congrats!!!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
this would be the first time I heard of a pumping shorter

Jenna... if someone wants to short? they want the highest price possible to sell short at..

that's just part of the equation tho...

i've been ignoring most of the "data" available on this one for several months now, but:

somebody did NS this thing as evidenced by it being on the Threshold failure to deliver list published by NASDAQ for weeks ( 13? or 14?)

the questions about share structure have never been answered to my satisfaction. that IMO, is because the merger was half-way done...

as for who actually NS'ed it? we may never know...

it is possible that insiders NS'ed it using shares that were restricted or it could have been a hedge group affiliated with that web-TV show that advertised Rufus was coming on and had sourstreet instead...

the fact that sourstreet and stockfruit got those "confidential" letters indicates that insiders were working against Rufufu...

suspect everybody... [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
well Jenna whats your take with J.A. VS. Rufus....LOL

Rufus claims to be CEO right now- I think Rufus is a little loopy....
I'll bet a proxy goes out to vote between Rufus and Arlitt and ili also bet that Arlitt drops out of the running. I agree, Rufus is loopy, but i think youre gonna have to deal wih him for a whilr.

If he blows it hes going back to his room like Arlitt until he learns to stop saying things like "talkin out the butt"

THINK!!!!!!!!!! Rufus can not be CEO- he has to leave the co. alone & go off into the sunset with the bonds & the court case in order for the company to move on....

He keeps saying that he has to separate from the company...if he is on the proxy vote for CEO than he is lying about something somewhere...it doesn't make sense.....he has to be separate or we lose EVERYTHING....get it? I love you Mr. C [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this would be the first time I heard of a pumping shorter

Jenna... if someone wants to short? they want the highest price possible to sell short at..

that's just part of the equation tho...

i've been ignoring most of the "data" available on this one for several months now, but:

somebody did NS this thing as evidenced by it being on the Threshold failure to deliver list published by NASDAQ for weeks ( 13? or 14?)

the questions about share structure have never been answered to my satisfaction. that IMO, is because the merger was half-way done...

as for who actually NS'ed it? we may never know...

it is possible that insiders NS'ed it using shares that were restricted or it could have been a hedge group affiliated with that web-TV show that advertised Rufus was coming on and had sourstreet instead...

the fact that sourstreet and stockfruit got those "confidential" letters indicates that insiders were working against Rufufu...

suspect everybody... [Smile]

I think you will all be very surprised when you learn who was really shorting this......
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Jenna who do you think it is? [Wink]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
...the fact that sourstreet and stockfruit got those "confidential" letters indicates that insiders were working against Rufufu...

suspect everybody... [Smile]

Rufus alluded to Canady trying to undermine CSHD. It makes perfect sense that Canady sent that C&D letter to sourstreet. I wonder how many insiders we have had against us, or is it all in Ruffy's mind?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I'm ready. Surprise me please.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
How long does anyone think the process of all of this will take. At the pace things move I would consider years.
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
hello? anyone here?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvforever:
Jenna who do you think it is? [Wink]

Well, of course, I, like everybody else, do not know but I'll bet it's the ones who cried the loudest about the shorts in the first place!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvforever:
hello? anyone here?

sorry luv- the kids were in the tub....
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
it would take alot to surprise me Jenna...

people still need to ask Arlitt to make the share structure public...

i bet he can't cuz nobody really knows...
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
lol.. so who do u think is shorting?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
...the fact that sourstreet and stockfruit got those "confidential" letters indicates that insiders were working against Rufufu...

suspect everybody... [Smile]

Rufus alluded to Canady trying to undermine CSHD. It makes perfect sense that Canady sent that C&D letter to sourstreet. I wonder how many insiders we have had against us, or is it all in Ruffy's mind?
I don't think it's in his mind- but whoever was against this probabaly shorted this thing....It's kinds obvious when these people do it too....they suddenly don't care about the PPS.....or they sabotage or they just delay or don't fix this at all.....

Don't you guys find it strange that a lot of the legal shorts have paid back....why would they pay it back while on the grey's? maybe they would pay it back if they were shorting but knew what was going on with the company from the inside....maybe paid it back because the knew this was going to come out of it eventually.....makes you think doesn't it.....so the shorters could have been any of them.....
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this would be the first time I heard of a pumping shorter

Jenna... if someone wants to short? they want the highest price possible to sell short at..

that's just part of the equation tho...

i've been ignoring most of the "data" available on this one for several months now, but:

somebody did NS this thing as evidenced by it being on the Threshold failure to deliver list published by NASDAQ for weeks ( 13? or 14?)

the questions about share structure have never been answered to my satisfaction. that IMO, is because the merger was half-way done...

as for who actually NS'ed it? we may never know...

it is possible that insiders NS'ed it using shares that were restricted or it could have been a hedge group affiliated with that web-TV show that advertised Rufus was coming on and had sourstreet instead...

the fact that sourstreet and stockfruit got those "confidential" letters indicates that insiders were working against Rufufu...

suspect everybody... [Smile]

I think you will all be very surprised when you learn who was really shorting this......
...."Is it REPO?!!" LMAO ~~ [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
Hey gang! It's been awhile since we pulled an all nighter trying to follow Rufus on SPR:) I'm not sure who to believe in this whole mess, I just hope they straiten it out soon so my cert is worth more than just the sheet of paper its printed on... GLTA in 2007!
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
ok so who here knows what is going on give me some opinions please so I can grasp what folks are hearing and coming up with tia [Wink]
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
ok... everyone don't answer at once LOL~ [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvforever:
ok so who here knows what is going on give me some opinions please so I can grasp what folks are hearing and coming up with tia [Wink]

It seems that there will be a proxt vote, voting on a few things, a merger or project of some sort, separating from Rufus & the bonds in order to move on & get this back on track as a new company, also voting on the 6:1.

Basically, I think this is the first step in moving on.
 
Posted by Spectacles on :
 
I'm new to this BB. Not familiar with protocol.
Anyone have info on MII?
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
I was thinking the same but what about the shc? Where are they and are they legal? hmm ?'s
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Don't know where they are....they are around, one of them spoke last night on SPR.....They are legal, the SEC knew about the whole thing....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spectacles:
I'm new to this BB. Not familiar with protocol.
Anyone have info on MII?

Welcome Spectacles....I don't know anything about MII...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Don't know where they are....they are around, one of them spoke last night on SPR.....They are legal, the SEC knew about the whole thing....

Remember this is what I've been told & we all must take things we are told with a grain of salt....
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spectacles:
I'm new to this BB. Not familiar with protocol.
Anyone have info on MII?

OK...

welcome to allstocks

once you are in a forum like hot-stocks free for all or micro-pennies/

you look for the  - icon at the upper right hand side of the page..click it and start a new topic..
good luck [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Who knows what is going on? Haha...I'm not sure anyone does...!
opinions? Theories...all sorts of them...all kinds of twists and turns...
Here's mine...
Everyone had their OWN agenda...EVERYONE was out to get rich...ALL of the AGENDAS turned around and bit ALL of them in the BUTT!
Right now?
I am thinking that Rufas is "attempting" to follow through with his original agenda...
he stated last night...proxy things for the court...
~let the "company"...CSHD(FHAL)...the trading company move forward...with new Assets and JV's...(maybe leaving JA the CEO?)
~I would assume that this would mean.."ondoing" the merger...there must be a clause in the original merger agreement that allowed for this to be done...(there ALWAYS is)
~Leave Rufas, "Conversion Solutions", bonds etc...behind to be settled out in court with and by Rufas...that would mean that Rufas, calling himself the CEO of Conversion Solutions...is a "true statement"...

JA? He's a pumper...period...he may want to "save the shareholders"...but "TUT" pumped...period...maybe he will help get things back on track...but right now...his silence? is doing AS much damadge to the PPS as what Rufas did by not doing as the SEC said..

MA? A$$...only out for 100% self...he sucked as CEO of FHAL and is now a CEO of yet another bogus company..IMO...so leave him out of the math here...let him move on to a new mess...

I think that there is a good chance that Rufas and Arlitt working together will move things off of the greys...but quite possibly only if things are seperate...

AND again...all IMO!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
New thread: WE DON'T KNOW WHO OUR CEO IS?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
New thread: Conversion Pollutions.....
 
Posted by Spectacles on :
 
Thanks Glassman
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
The soap opera continues!

Thank you Jenna for staying up and posting what was going on. Who knows who or what to believe anymore. I hope we have answers soon.

OT: 10, did your son get home?
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Three months ago, I told Jenna who I thought was shorting CSHD. I told her that all you had to do was look for the person making the loudest noise about shorters. I truly believe that the guy who drinks and talks a lot on SPR is the real shorter along with his buddy Ben. You people can call me a "nut case" but, I think all of this garbage is going to eventually come out. This "con-artist" has manipulated our PPS for a very long time with promises and lies. It has even been said that when we had a MM to re-enter * $2.00. Read what Tony Saprano says:Originally Posted by TonySoprano
"That is complete bull****. Rufus was asked to have an attorney sign an opinion letter with some very basic information regarding the company, one that another attorney had already said should be routine. Once that letter was signed, the MM would have filed the 15(c)211 and resumed trading at $2 a share and had promised to support the share price for a minimum of 30 days. I was privy to the entire conversation and that is the total truth.

Most of your have lost your marbles. You are listening to the rantings of a drunken liar who is clearly delusional and has lost complete touch with reality.

I'm not going to stick around and argue with those of you who think this drunken lying scammer is the savior for your investment. I still own all my shares, have mentally and emotionally accepted the fact that the money is gone, and will get on with my life. Whatever happens, happens, but Rufus the lying drunken scamming bull**** artist is going to jail for a long time by the time all is said and done."

I have to say that I totally agree with his opinion. Tony was on the SHC at the time this happened. Rufus purposely stopped us returning to the $2.00 level with a MM. I think that Rufus and Ben totally set us all up for the fall. I also think that JA is trying and will be successful in getting us back to a decent price after a long long battle to do so.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OT: 10, did your son get home?
[Big Grin] Yes...he is home...and eating all of my food!!! LOL! [Big Grin]
My 8 year old cried like crazy when he came through the doors at the airport...they are great buds and they haven't seen each other in over 2 years...
But my youngest was a little "unsure"...however..all is good now..and all the other kids are already back to arguing with him...it's as if he was never gone...siblings are very odd...LOL
thanks for asking... [Wink]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
you opinion has merit Doc...

however? if you are correct? then Rufus should be going to jail, and will have left a clear trail of "breadcrumbs" that any investigative team could find..

IMO? it's too obvious... but that's just IMO...

BTW? the part about emotional detachment is important even for winning picks [Big Grin]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
wow so we could have been at $2 but rufus said no. WOW
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
10 ..... I am so happy for you and your family. Tell him how much we appreciate what he is doing. [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
you opinion has merit Doc...

however? if you are correct? then Rufus should be going to jail, and will have left a clear trail of "breadcrumbs" that any investigative team could find..

IMO? it's too obvious... but that's just IMO...

BTW? the part about emotional detachment is important even for winning picks [Big Grin]

I think all of this is going to come out. This guy is a "classical con-artist". The FBI will nail him.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
wow so we could have been at $2 but rufus said no. WOW

If you can get lucky enough to contact a SHC member, ask him. I also think that Sabra might have been involved. Sabra maybe ..... Rufus and Ben, I would bet on it.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Ot: thanks Doc...I will tell him..
As for your above message this is the part that I have questions with...

"Originally Posted by TonySoprano
"That is complete bull****. Rufus was asked to have an attorney sign an opinion letter with some very basic information regarding the company, one that another attorney had already said should be routine. Once that letter was signed, the MM would have filed the 15(c)211 and resumed trading at $2 a share and had promised to support the share price for a minimum of 30 days. I was privy to the entire conversation and that is the total truth."

The problem with this IMO?
Didn't the financials needed to be "redone" audited by someone that the SEC apponted? BEFORE an MM could "sign on"..Before the SEC would "allow" this to trade? If that is the case then "Tony" is misinformed..IMO
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Ot: thanks Doc...I will tell him..
As for your above message this is the part that I have questions with...

"Originally Posted by TonySoprano
"That is complete bull****. Rufus was asked to have an attorney sign an opinion letter with some very basic information regarding the company, one that another attorney had already said should be routine. Once that letter was signed, the MM would have filed the 15(c)211 and resumed trading at $2 a share and had promised to support the share price for a minimum of 30 days. I was privy to the entire conversation and that is the total truth."

The problem with this IMO?
Didn't the financials needed to be "redone" audited by someone that the SEC appointed? BEFORE an MM could "sign on"..Before the SEC would "allow" this to trade? If that is the case then "Tony" is misinformed..IMO

10 ... Not sure about your question, however; two different individuals on the committee have told me the same story when it happened. They were very upset when Rufus stopped the advancement back with the MM.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10, that is a good question...I think you are asking this: If now, at this time, they can not get an MM until the filings are redone, why back then could they have gotten an MM without having the filings redone....that is agood question...is that what yo are asking?

I will call John again next week & I will ask him that...I will also ask him about the situation with a lawyer.....If he can answer he will - if he can't he will just say no comment.... [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Yes Jenna...that is what I am asking...
It has been my understanding the way it had to be since we made it to the Greys...
That is why I think the SHC was misinformed...and all that were in on the call think Rufas screwed them...AND? I could also have it all wrong...
ALSO? The SHC did give a request to Rufas...Rufas said that he would be gone over the Holiday...(he would not be back until the week after Thanksgiving but he would respod then...By the time that Rufas came back from his vacation? he was replaced...
Keep in mind...this is also what I was told by someone that was in on the SHC...so mine is ALSO simply hearsay and more of the "he said/ she said" BS games that are played so well with this stock...LOL
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
First, OT: Ditto what Doc said there 10. Tell that boy thanks for me and my family. I'm gald he's around for you and us!

Now then...the MM thing is still baffling. I figure that maybe Rufus didn't want us back to trading until the bonds issue was cleared up. He was mad the SEC didn't halt it, so I can see why he didn't want a MM on board. The other thing with this, if John had a MM ready, where's he at now?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by RichBy26:
Hey gang! It's been awhile since we pulled an all nighter trying to follow Rufus on SPR:) I'm not sure who to believe in this whole mess, I just hope they straiten it out soon so my cert is worth more than just the sheet of paper its printed on... GLTA in 2007!

Who to believe... who to believe? Truely clouded the darkside is. (Yoda is cool. [Smile] )
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
First, OT: Ditto what Doc said there 10. Tell that boy thanks for me and my family. I'm gald he's around for you and us!

Now then...the MM thing is still baffling. I figure that maybe Rufus didn't want us back to trading until the bonds issue was cleared up. He was mad the SEC didn't halt it, so I can see why he didn't want a MM on board. The other thing with this, if John had a MM ready, where's he at now?

I know that they will not sign on until the filing are redone.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OK...I am now listening to the show...I guess Rufas will not be working with JA...so scratch that portion LOL

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Who knows what is going on? Haha...I'm not sure anyone does...!
opinions? Theories...all sorts of them...all kinds of twists and turns...
Here's mine...
Everyone had their OWN agenda...EVERYONE was out to get rich...ALL of the AGENDAS turned around and bit ALL of them in the BUTT!
Right now?
I am thinking that Rufas is "attempting" to follow through with his original agenda...
he stated last night...proxy things for the court...
~let the "company"...CSHD(FHAL)...the trading company move forward...with new Assets and JV's...(maybe leaving JA the CEO?)
~I would assume that this would mean.."ondoing" the merger...there must be a clause in the original merger agreement that allowed for this to be done...(there ALWAYS is)
~Leave Rufas, "Conversion Solutions", bonds etc...behind to be settled out in court with and by Rufas...that would mean that Rufas, calling himself the CEO of Conversion Solutions...is a "true statement"...

JA? He's a pumper...period...he may want to "save the shareholders"...but "TUT" pumped...period...maybe he will help get things back on track...but right now...his silence? is doing AS much damadge to the PPS as what Rufas did by not doing as the SEC said..

MA? A$$...only out for 100% self...he sucked as CEO of FHAL and is now a CEO of yet another bogus company..IMO...so leave him out of the math here...let him move on to a new mess...

I think that there is a good chance that Rufas and Arlitt working together will move things off of the greys...but quite possibly only if things are seperate...

AND again...all IMO!


 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
WOW! ... just got caught up with the last 10 pages ... seems like old times again! Anyone heard from BB? ... are you out there in the shadows BB?

IMO, I guess it's good to mix it up again ... stir the pot a little or a lot! Looking forward to what appears to be "all of this" coming to a head! GLTA
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by luvforever:
Jenna who do you think it is? [Wink]

Well, of course, I, like everybody else, do not know but I'll bet it's the ones who cried the loudest about the shorts in the first place!!!
I'll bet its not [Smile]

In fact, im guessing here but id bet it might be easier to short this "naked" from another country.....Canada for example.

But hey, what do i know.....John is the CSHD idol or something. Based on what again? heh
 
Posted by humble on :
 
I see the major players like this:

Mike Alexander: Poor guy who got in deep with some toxic financiers and then even deeper by allowing himself to play a useful pawn. Neither a threat to the company nor a savior.

John Arlitt: We know very little about his past, credentials, capabilities, motives or why he is even involved. We do know he pumped when necessary, mysteriously surfacing as the leading candidate in a shady shareholder move to take over a company just in time to oust the CEO and go silent to the general public except for the hearsay of HSM members.

Rufus Paul Harris: Loose cannon as a personality. Appears to have the connections to and knowledge of the only verifiable thing about this company - some kind of link to Euroclear. Interviews poorly but at least comes out in public to work his position. Has been true to the "Kill Shorty" theme from day 1.

I hear things like those mentioned by TonySoprano over on HSM and it makes me really start wondering where people's motives are right now. The idea of having a MM that was willing to support $2 for 30 days is absurd - that is a fool of a MM or one openly admitting the desire to illegally collude with other MMs to manupulate the PPS. I do not believe there was any such MM waiting in the wings.

Additionally, if there were SHC members allowed on a call of that nature you should be getting a big red flag in your head. Why on earth would a CEO contacting another insider about sensitive legal information allow shareholders to listen in? Or maybe they were told what happened by Arlitt? Either way stinks to me.

I have NEVER been convinced that anyone other than RPH is the legal CEO of CSHD or that anyone else can get things done without him. The way in which everything was pulled in by Arlitt and the mysterious majority looked fishy even as it was happening... and is more so now. Why can't the company move forward? Arlitt is powerless - RPH has the signature/codes to access anything of value to this company and he sure isn't going to turn anything over to the guy he feels defrauded everyone and is working for a shorting ring.

For what its worth, I would like throw out an opinion on the question of how Rufus can be so cavalier in the face of so much adversity in his company. Why did he just fade away and not put up a fight when the whole Arlitt takeover was happening? Why does he insist that he is the real CEO? My speculative answer: He, or a trusted group, owns the company majority outright; no one has a claim to any shareholder priveleges because he controls the majority (control the game).

If I had planned a short-sting for two years this would be my ace in the hole. Let things go to he!! in a handbasket... let as many worms come out as possible; in the end I would be laughing last because I knew that I was untouchable with the float sitting in a steel box somewhere.

Many people might own large blocks of shares, some even to the extent that they seemingly have a claim to be a majority shareholder. But we know about the mess with the outstanding sharecount and the accusations of hundreds of millions of naked shorted shares and missing people from the NOBO list. The only true shareholders are those that bought up the float and did it before everyone else jumped on board. Anyone remember anything about a trust from the good old days? The whole reason things are such a mess may be because so many people own large chunks - potentially verifiable naked shorting and the reason RPH is still fighting. However, none of those large chunks are legal, including my little portion.

What did Euroclear see to give RPH fiduciary access to the Venez. bonds? What did RPH show the judge? Why did the legal shorts cover in Dec if we are heading down the toilet? Why did the SEC halt the day before alleged big news? Why can't we get an honest O/S out of anyone or the transfer agent? Why can't ADP get an accurate NOBO list? I have my guess and I'm looking forward to seeing where we are headed and how this plays out for those sticking around.

Plus the entertainment value just can't be beat.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
I see the major players like this:

Mike Alexander: Poor guy who got in deep with some toxic financiers and then even deeper by allowing himself to play a useful pawn. Neither a threat to the company nor a savior.

John Arlitt: We know very little about his past, credentials, capabilities, motives or why he is even involved. We do know he pumped when necessary, mysteriously surfacing as the leading candidate in a shady shareholder move to take over a company just in time to oust the CEO and go silent to the general public except for the hearsay of HSM members.

Rufus Paul Harris: Loose cannon as a personality. Appears to have the connections to and knowledge of the only verifiable thing about this company - some kind of link to Euroclear. Interviews poorly but at least comes out in public to work his position. Has been true to the "Kill Shorty" theme from day 1.

I hear things like those mentioned by TonySoprano over on HSM and it makes me really start wondering where people's motives are right now. The idea of having a MM that was willing to support $2 for 30 days is absurd - that is a fool of a MM or one openly admitting the desire to illegally collude with other MMs to manupulate the PPS. I do not believe there was any such MM waiting in the wings.

Additionally, if there were SHC members allowed on a call of that nature you should be getting a big red flag in your head. Why on earth would a CEO contacting another insider about sensitive legal information allow shareholders to listen in? Or maybe they were told what happened by Arlitt? Either way stinks to me.

I have NEVER been convinced that anyone other than RPH is the legal CEO of CSHD or that anyone else can get things done without him. The way in which everything was pulled in by Arlitt and the mysterious majority looked fishy even as it was happening... and is more so now. Why can't the company move forward? Arlitt is powerless - RPH has the signature/codes to access anything of value to this company and he sure isn't going to turn anything over to the guy he feels defrauded everyone and is working for a shorting ring.

For what its worth, I would like throw out an opinion on the question of how Rufus can be so cavalier in the face of so much adversity in his company. Why did he just fade away and not put up a fight when the whole Arlitt takeover was happening? Why does he insist that he is the real CEO? My speculative answer: He, or a trusted group, owns the company majority outright; no one has a claim to any shareholder priveleges because he controls the majority (control the game).

If I had planned a short-sting for two years this would be my ace in the hole. Let things go to he!! in a handbasket... let as many worms come out as possible; in the end I would be laughing last because I knew that I was untouchable with the float sitting in a steel box somewhere.

Many people might own large blocks of shares, some even to the extent that they seemingly have a claim to be a majority shareholder. But we know about the mess with the outstanding sharecount and the accusations of hundreds of millions of naked shorted shares and missing people from the NOBO list. The only true shareholders are those that bought up the float and did it before everyone else jumped on board. Anyone remember anything about a trust from the good old days? The whole reason things are such a mess may be because so many people own large chunks - potentially verifiable naked shorting and the reason RPH is still fighting. However, none of those large chunks are legal, including my little portion.

What did Euroclear see to give RPH fiduciary access to the Venez. bonds? What did RPH show the judge? Why did the legal shorts cover in Dec if we are heading down the toilet? Why did the SEC halt the day before alleged big news? Why can't we get an honest O/S out of anyone or the transfer agent? Why can't ADP get an accurate NOBO list? I have my guess and I'm looking forward to seeing where we are headed and how this plays out for those sticking around.

Plus the entertainment value just can't be beat.

...In My humble Opinion

nice post but no stock recovers from stuff like this
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Humble-not legal, you never got your certs? Me neither. At this point my stock value is barely the cost to get them, but I'll never sell at these levels so I guess I might as well get them. Might be a collectors item one day. Only $40 online request at eTrade. Last I checked I thought it was about $75 at Scotty.
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
Humble-not legal, you never got your certs? Me neither. At this point my stock value is less than the cost to get them, but I'll never sell at these levels so I guess I might as well get them. Might be a collectors item one day. Only $40 online request at eTrade.

The reason I have not requested certs is because I do not see that certs improve my position if the integrity of my and eveyone else's shares is called into question. FWIW, I believe there could be more printed certs than the A/S (BIG problem for the transfer agent, DTC and brokerages) so certs in and of themselves may not be the golden ticket if the hammer falls. I don't know how it will play out if there are a verifiable and large number of air-shares. In theory, the DTC would force a buyin but I don't think so... and the SEC seems to be letting this sort of thing slide. I am along for the ride popping in when I can.

I wonder what the shareholder/proxy vote Rufus talked about would do to force scrutiny on all of the alleged shares floating around?

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
I see the major players like this:

Mike Alexander: Poor guy who got in deep with some toxic financiers and then even deeper by allowing himself to play a useful pawn. Neither a threat to the company nor a savior.

John Arlitt: We know very little about his past, credentials, capabilities, motives or why he is even involved. We do know he pumped when necessary, mysteriously surfacing as the leading candidate in a shady shareholder move to take over a company just in time to oust the CEO and go silent to the general public except for the hearsay of HSM members.

Rufus Paul Harris: Loose cannon as a personality. Appears to have the connections to and knowledge of the only verifiable thing about this company - some kind of link to Euroclear. Interviews poorly but at least comes out in public to work his position. Has been true to the "Kill Shorty" theme from day 1.

I hear things like those mentioned by TonySoprano over on HSM and it makes me really start wondering where people's motives are right now. The idea of having a MM that was willing to support $2 for 30 days is absurd - that is a fool of a MM or one openly admitting the desire to illegally collude with other MMs to manupulate the PPS. I do not believe there was any such MM waiting in the wings.

Additionally, if there were SHC members allowed on a call of that nature you should be getting a big red flag in your head. Why on earth would a CEO contacting another insider about sensitive legal information allow shareholders to listen in? Or maybe they were told what happened by Arlitt? Either way stinks to me.

I have NEVER been convinced that anyone other than RPH is the legal CEO of CSHD or that anyone else can get things done without him. The way in which everything was pulled in by Arlitt and the mysterious majority looked fishy even as it was happening... and is more so now. Why can't the company move forward? Arlitt is powerless - RPH has the signature/codes to access anything of value to this company and he sure isn't going to turn anything over to the guy he feels defrauded everyone and is working for a shorting ring.

For what its worth, I would like throw out an opinion on the question of how Rufus can be so cavalier in the face of so much adversity in his company. Why did he just fade away and not put up a fight when the whole Arlitt takeover was happening? Why does he insist that he is the real CEO? My speculative answer: He, or a trusted group, owns the company majority outright; no one has a claim to any shareholder priveleges because he controls the majority (control the game).

If I had planned a short-sting for two years this would be my ace in the hole. Let things go to he!! in a handbasket... let as many worms come out as possible; in the end I would be laughing last because I knew that I was untouchable with the float sitting in a steel box somewhere.

Many people might own large blocks of shares, some even to the extent that they seemingly have a claim to be a majority shareholder. But we know about the mess with the outstanding sharecount and the accusations of hundreds of millions of naked shorted shares and missing people from the NOBO list. The only true shareholders are those that bought up the float and did it before everyone else jumped on board. Anyone remember anything about a trust from the good old days? The whole reason things are such a mess may be because so many people own large chunks - potentially verifiable naked shorting and the reason RPH is still fighting. However, none of those large chunks are legal, including my little portion.

What did Euroclear see to give RPH fiduciary access to the Venez. bonds? What did RPH show the judge? Why did the legal shorts cover in Dec if we are heading down the toilet? Why did the SEC halt the day before alleged big news? Why can't we get an honest O/S out of anyone or the transfer agent? Why can't ADP get an accurate NOBO list? I have my guess and I'm looking forward to seeing where we are headed and how this plays out for those sticking around.

Plus the entertainment value just can't be beat.

...In My humble Opinion

nice post but no stock recovers from stuff like this
I agree with much of what Humble posted and to answer the question of no stock ever recovers from stuff like this? You are correct unless they hold all the ACES in the deck. I thought it was very interesting when CSHD shares showed up on Euroclear. Could that be the float that Humble is talking about?

Also would like to add. How can JA and Mike go forward with the CSVU model and comapny if they are saying the merger is being unwound? If that is the case then it would revert to FHAL and CVSU would revert too being Private and not in their control. But the most intriguing part is that the shares have been issued under a CUSIP Number and Symbol. How do you unring that bell. How do you figure out who owns shares of the company and who doesn't. This doesn't seem feasiable to me.

Who's telling the truth will continue to be speculation until all is revealed by the SEC and the Court system publically. I believe in the X-files Motto: "Trust no one".

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
nice post but no stock recovers from stuff like this

+++++++++++++++++++++++

Thank you for the insightful and well-spoken prediction. I have been following along and thinking about plausible scenarios and always take interest in what other glean from the goings-on. However, I discount anyone who uses the term "never" or "always".

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:


Plus the entertainment value just can't be beat.

...In My humble Opinion

Excellent post there Humble. Definitely alot of meat to chew on there, and from my perspective you may be more right than wrong.
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
You know ... something was going to happen at some point ... apparently, this is it ... at least to get things started again.

IMO, I hear alot of activity by many of our "leaders" ... why would anyone bother if this was all such a big farse. Why would Rufus say anything at this point, why would JA do whatever it is he's doing? Noone of it makes any sense, at this point, unless there truly is something to fight for, IMHO.

And, thank you Jenna for transcribing Rufus info!
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
When you dont got a job to go to, a company to run, and you got a shoot load of cash and all your horses are fed... what else are you gonna do?

Gotta go out on SPR and stir up some drama, of course.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
There is one thing That I may have missed being discussed here, if so I beg your pardon.

IMO, the most important documents to unraveling this whole mess and who was selling shares, or shorting, would be the NOBO and OBO lists from the 16th that shows the stockholders of record for the 6-1 and those that sold between that date and the SEC suspending trading, especially those that sold just prior to the announcement. It would be very interesting to see who exactly was selling. So I would say that the second NOBO and OBO would be the one from the day after the SEC suspension. Interesting reading IMO.

GLTA
Wally

PS: Does anybody else find it interesting that Bodi(Mike Alexander) stated that he was posting from Mexico?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
OOOPS!!!!!!!!!

Double posted
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
New idea for a new thread name.

As the stomach turns!

This soap opera would be a comedy , if so many people hadn't been hurt.It's a drama that just won't quit.
 
Posted by wwilliammc on :
 
Excellent post Humble & Wallymac
 
Posted by cool AZ on :
 
You know ... something was going to happen at some point ... apparently, this is it ... at least to get things started again.

IMO, I hear alot of activity by many of our "leaders" ... why would anyone bother if this was all such a big farse. Why would Rufus say anything at this point, why would JA do whatever it is he's doing? Noone of it makes any sense, at this point, unless there truly is something to fight for, IMHO.

And, thank you Jenna for transcribing Rufus info!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
LP640 the new years pump is back on HSM... it looks to be for a very limited time. He is trading punches with the mod.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well after about ten posts he was indeed banned, right after saying this to the mod Don on the thread.

"Originally Posted by LP640
common don when are you going to stop the charade and grow some balls, and tell it like how it is? are you that insecure that you would abuse your powers? let's give these people a show. stop being so serious. relax. lets bring back the positive energy in this thread. we need all we can get. don't be so sensitive."

That was definitely going too far.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Doc, I hope Arlitt SEVERELY disappoints you and proves that even YOU dont have all of the answers. If you knew "all along" that the guy screaming shorters the loudest was probably the guilty one then why did you remain an investor?! Why did you let your own daughter leave her money invested when you KNEW Rufus was just going to short it and leave her broke?

When you first came into this board people distrusted you because of some of your comments, and then you retracted those comments so people would like you again. Oddly enough it appears you never really changed your mind, you just refrained from posting your true feelings....until now of course since Rufus is such an easy target.

Its no secret that I hate what Rufus did to some people. He either A-Scammed everyone or B-Was legit but got in over his head.....in either case he lost some people A LOT of money. But, you....nor any other self proclaimed securities law professional on this board, have any right to post such inflammatory things against a guy that has not even been judged yet! And, do you think I gave a "F" what Tony Soprano has to say?!?! Who the hell is he to me?!

This board is FULL of people either brainwashing or being brainwashed themselves....which is why i rarely post anymore. Some of you people will believe anything. Where the hell are our Gates of Victory huh?

Wake up people, Arlitt isnt your savior. If you are looking for someone who probably made a mint off of this you might want to look his direction...of course hes a German Canadian with ties all over the world so i doubt you will find what you are looking for. [Roll Eyes]

Oh, and the SCH keeps getting brought up as well. Again i say, on what legal grounds do we have a SHC?!?! None
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
wow so we could have been at $2 but rufus said no. WOW

If you can get lucky enough to contact a SHC member, ask him. I also think that Sabra might have been involved. Sabra maybe ..... Rufus and Ben, I would bet on it.
Id say Sabra for sure.....Rufus and Ben, not likely.

Do you all honestly think that we could have re-opened at $2 and Rufus himself put a stop on it?! LOL Because a member of the SHC said so? ROFLMAO!!!!
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
All I can say is rufas got us to 4 while ceo john hasnt gotten us past 20 cents who is his group ? why the secrets with shc peeps did they do something wrong? hmm? My guess is they wil get what they deserve..also did MA put rufas in this trap when talks about the merger cause he seemed to say he didnt know why the pps wouldnt go up with everything he tried so he wanted the merger figured itd help the shareholders LOL when all along he knew it was because of the toxic financing etc... and james gee what a laugh is he ? He was worthless and he did something wrong and just wanted in the know and what about the form for shareholders to sign our shares and address? They did something really wrong with that we never got welcome letters... I hope the wrong doers burn and I truly mean it because they are all cowards and cannot speak the truth and cannot explain themselves but cry when they are called upon! If they cannot explain themselves and disappeared trust me they are evil and now they are scared the shc was for us but did any of them tell us anything worth hearing or were they just stupid and didnt know what they were doing? hmmm I dont care i will wait it out and when the truth does show we will be relieved of this bs from those who try to act like they are in the know and all no word will be good enough until we see court results legal papers no stupid pr no stupid spr though it is all amusing at the same time... I just want my money and will wait and if i lost it all so be it whoever stole it from us will pay 10 fold it always works that way maybe a lose of friends loved ones car accident...etc it is always never connected but they do get thier return and they never see it because of what they did to deserve such a lose but it does happen believe me the law may not get them but fate always does.... My opinion only good luck to all and we will prevail eventually even if it is not with this stock good wil come to those who do good evil to the evil ones..... [Wink]
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 

 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
wow so we could have been at $2 but rufus said no. WOW

If you can get lucky enough to contact a SHC member, ask him. I also think that Sabra might have been involved. Sabra maybe ..... Rufus and Ben, I would bet on it.
Id say Sabra for sure.....Rufus and Ben, not likely.

Do you all honestly think that we could have re-opened at $2 and Rufus himself put a stop on it?! LOL Because a member of the SHC said so? ROFLMAO!!!!

People get off the MM and reopen at $2 thing... if it WAS true it was a stupid proposal. 10of13 has stated it several times and it is the absolute truth. At the time the SEC would not allow Rufus to release any 10K that included the bonds because of the default document he signed. Any MM would have required a 10K to be filed for them to file to quote, and I am pretty sure the promise to support $2 included a company that had the bonds in a filing. Hence the catch 22 and reason Rufus refused. If he signed with the MM the SEC would call Fraud and send the company into imediate recievership. If he didn't he missed and opportunity to relist with an MM and begin quoting at $2.

I am more concerned, and according to SPR the other night so was Rufus was that they showed up to the table with an MM who could have the deal signed by an SEC attourney the very next day. And then when a change of TA was suggested John brought Signature from Plano TX to the table. Who had approached Rufus earlier about paying him to borrow his shares. Another skeptical company in the mix of all of this.

I think this whole thing is FUBAR and I am hoping someone in the Gov't is taking some serious notes.
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
We let ourselves get tied up with a bunch of crooks, all with their own agenda....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
We let ourselves get tied up with a bunch of crooks, all with their own agenda....

Well yeah... but for what it worth. $15 does still sound pretty good. HAHA!!

[Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Someone from the SHC has sold all of there shares today, & now is talking about what he could not talk about before....this is from HSM...

*************************************************

Originally Posted by jesuspower1
I think you missed the explanations by several in the past, but I'll clarify for you:

The SHC was asked to be formed by Rufus and I believe that it was to take the heat off of himself for his lack of action, which appeared increasingly evident that was his plan...to let the company go into receivership and blame it on everyone else.

After meeting many different people that knew RPH and by even talking to RPH himself, I've come to realize that he's a master diverter. He talks out of one side of his mouth on SPR, then his actions are opposite, then he blames the problems on other people/organizations.

If you can't see that, I'm sorry for you.

The SHC was formed by honest, hard working individuals wishing to help be a part of something good. We were told all the shareholders would know what we discussed, then told not to utter a word, then sign a NDA not to discuss certain issues...so what were we to do?!? We hated not being able to say anything...trust me!

We did NOT have any intentions of misleading ANYONE!!! We did NOTHING illegal and were not out to screw anyone! Many have resigned at this point anyway.

The SHC was asked by Ben Stanley for $200,000 to retain a lawyer, RPH said that never happened...he's a liar!!!

When RPH was asked to do certain things to restore the value to $2, he said he was meeting with lawyers and would let us know...he then came back and said he had an attorney and that he would not fulfill our request, though JA had several things lined up.

After a bit we asked RPH for answers and he didn't respond...then said on SPR that he told us he was on vacation: LIE!!! He was probably in jail.

Then we found out Shares were missing and that they went to family and friends and many of them sold shares above the $3 range...remember when ALADY came on and said they didn't??? LIE!!! RPH admitted on SPR the other night that they did and that it was their prerogative to do what they want...meanwhile he told all the SHEEP to buy and hold...don't feed the beast! WHATEVER YOU FREAKIN LIAR!!!

Then he said I told him I bought a $60,000 car with proceeds from sale of the stock! LIE! It's a $30,000 car that I used my sisters money to buy with intentions of paying her back when I sold the stock. I told him that the car is what I was able to get based on the value going up.

Then he said that I introduced my father as "GOD". Whatever you liar! My dad put "father of jp1...aka GOD" on his name badge and I introduced him and said he calls himself God...we all laughed b/c it was a funny joke! So how he could be offended when he uses God to get Christians to buy then he and his family unload, and furthermore he curses and drinks himself into jail...yet he's offended?!?!

What a scammer and con-artist! If you can't see the forked tongue, talking outta both sides of his mouth, deceiver that this man is...I'm sorry for you!!!

When several Shareholders were approached with info on wrongdoing and asked for their vote to make a majority, it was done. We believed that it was in the best interest of all shareholders.

If you want a CEO that is prone to drunkeness and driving while intoxicated and spending time in jail, then that is your investment decision. I supported that man more than most, I believed in him and drank his koolaid, but now I've seen enough to know I was duped. But HEY!!! I was in good company of the calibur of people that were duped as well...some very high-profile people.

I am out now though...taking my obscene losses, just over $250k, and moving on...probably better for my heart and stomach!!! No more drama, no more tears or sleepless nights...praise the LORD! After all, He seems to be the only one to trust in all this!!!

Good luck to all.
Sincerely

Justin
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Geez he had over $250k in this? Im sorry but I don't care what company it is big boards or not, unless youre a billionaire which i don't think JP1 is, you shouldn't have that much tied up in one thing.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yeah Jenna I read that over there... I hate to say it but I had to laugh at the confession/unveiling.

He says Rufus was talking with a forked toungue, but the entire time he was privy to all this info and he was still comming out on the boards telling us "We are fine, give it a couple of months." Nothing more forked toungue than that. I remember Rufus elaborating on how serious the SEC was the day after the halt. "They want it all, and they tried to get everything." was his response after the first court date. Nothing forked about that toungue. CEO just being straight, even if he was caught in the headlights at the time.

I like the user Rhett's response to JP1's unveiling..

"Originally Posted by rhett
I think all these people that are on the SCH and others have one thing against them thats making their judgments. They all invested more than they were able to lose therfore the slow movement of the stock and the price drop is eating them alive . They are looking for every angle and excuse to comfort them during this time. Give of hard evidence is all I want . So far there is none . Only a bunch highly emotional amateur investors with their life savings at stake . Drama!"

It is all just too emotional for words.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This whole thing is nuts.....I think they are all going to start "singing".....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
This whole thing is nuts.....I think they are all going to start "singing".....

Once again I hope someone in the government is taking notes. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Doc, I hope Arlitt SEVERELY disappoints you and proves that even YOU dont have all of the answers. If you knew "all along" that the guy screaming shorters the loudest was probably the guilty one then why did you remain an investor?! Why did you let your own daughter leave her money invested when you KNEW Rufus was just going to short it and leave her broke?

When you first came into this board people distrusted you because of some of your comments, and then you retracted those comments so people would like you again. Oddly enough it appears you never really changed your mind, you just refrained from posting your true feelings....until now of course since Rufus is such an easy target.

Its no secret that I hate what Rufus did to some people. He either A-Scammed everyone or B-Was legit but got in over his head.....in either case he lost some people A LOT of money. But, you....nor any other self proclaimed securities law professional on this board, have any right to post such inflammatory things against a guy that has not even been judged yet! And, do you think I gave a "F" what Tony Soprano has to say?!?! Who the hell is he to me?!

This board is FULL of people either brainwashing or being brainwashed themselves....which is why i rarely post anymore. Some of you people will believe anything. Where the hell are our Gates of Victory huh?

Wake up people, Arlitt isnt your savior. If you are looking for someone who probably made a mint off of this you might want to look his direction...of course hes a German Canadian with ties all over the world so i doubt you will find what you are looking for. [Roll Eyes]

Oh, and the SCH keeps getting brought up as well. Again i say, on what legal grounds do we have a SHC?!?! None

C, don't be rude to my daddy just because he feels different than you.....he didn't do anything wrong....he feels their are scammers involved in this & so do you....you just don't agree on who it is....that's ok...the truth will come out...none of us know who it is....my dad came on here thinking Rufus was questionable, then he gave him the benefit of the doubt & actually really started to like him, then he wondered about him not being the typical CEO, but didn't worry him so much...but a few weeks ago he started really thinking that Rufus & Ben were up to no good....that's his perogotive.....& as for him holding.....we could ask the same of you if you hate John why are you holding? It would be the same answer...it's not worth selling it right now....because the "business plan" is worth more than .07 / share......

Personally, I don't care who did what wrong, I don't care if John is in there holding the price down because he shorted, I don't care if Rufus secretly sold shares when it was at $4...I just care about getting my money back...then whom ever the FBI finds is guilty then I hope that person or person gets whats coming to them.....They are lucky they are in Georgia and not NY....New Yorkers would take care of the culprit NY style......

.....for now I will consentrate on my other plays...

By the way Mr. C, your mommy & me may see things differently but I still think she is one of the nicest people I have spoken with...
Hi Momma**wave**

So just don't let your emotions get mad at others for thinking diffeently than you.....we all have one thing in common....we want to get our money back....really we would all love to MAKE money on this.....

Good Luck All....& Mr.C - I still love ya!!!! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Whats up with the volume today? It's huge!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
They are lucky they are in Georgia and not NY....New Yorkers would take care of the culprit NY style......

i'm curious what this means? NY hasn't got a "corner" on the integrity market.... it just costs more to hedge immunity there [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
"NY style" has nothing to do with the market Glassman.....

There are some nuts in this state.....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jesus power? Yet another "great pumper" turns....
hell this nut even had his own **** site on the stock!...
 
Posted by humble on :
 
A little fun DD for a slow Friday:

Who is Robert Bogutski? President of a Dallas-based transfer agent called Idata in 1995. Enter the SEC:

The Complaint alleges violations of the antifraud and registration provisions of the federal securities laws in the course of a scheme to promote, distribute, and manipulate the market for, securities of EHI, a "penny stock" company.

The Complaint alleges, among other things, that Christopher, while in control of EHI, and with the participation of certain other defendants, misappropriated shares of EHI common stock and sold these shares into the market. As set forth in the Complaint, Idata, EHI's transfer agent, acting on the instructions of Christopher, destroyed records relating to ownership of these shares and transferred the shares to a shell corporation controlled by Christopher. The Complaint further alleges that Christopher, with the participation of certain other defendants, improperly used Regulation S and Form S-8 registrations to make public distributions of EHI stock in the United States.

http://*w*w*w. sec .gov/litigation/litreleases/lr14683.txt

Even before the EHI mess:

Mr. Bogutski, a resident of Dallas, Texas, served as president of Idata from May 1987 until June 1993, and was a control person of Idata as that term is defined in Section 20(a) of the Exchange Act. In 1989, Bogutski pleaded guilty to a felony count of embezzling funds from a national bank, an offense specified in Section 15(b)(4)(B) of the Exchange Act.

Why does this matter:

Signature Stock Transfer of Plano TX
President: Jason Bogutski
Location: Plano TX

How many Bogutski surnames could I find in the ENTIRE state of TX? 5 at only 2 addresses.

One address is our Jason. The other 4 people live together and guess who the male of the house is? Robert Bogutski.

The addresses are just a few miles from each other in Plano TX.

Yeah, I know, could be a coincidence, right? And the fact that a Canadian happened to suggest this little firm in Plano TX could be a coincidence, as well.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
"NY style" has nothing to do with the market Glassman.....

There are some nuts in this state.....

Guys, I was just kidding......

Joking like the Soprano's
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
intresting find humble....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
HAPPY BIRTHDAY 10!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Very Interesting Humble....I don't think there are many coiccidences in life.....
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
"NY style" has nothing to do with the market Glassman.....

There are some nuts in this state.....

Guys, I was just kidding......

Joking like the Soprano's

i know Jenna...
since i have been relocated to the deep, deep south i have added quite a bit of "southern political history" to my reading list...

the south really is a different country from the north... they just happen to have language and the constitution (more or less) in common....

my real point is that Wall St has always, ALWAYS had participants like this...

Daniel Drew and James Fisk played unreal games with Cornelius Vanderbuilt.

In 1866-1868, Drew engaged in the Erie War, in which Drew conspired along with James Fisk (financier) and Jay Gould to issue fraudulent stock to keep Vanderbilt from gaining control of the Erie Railroad. Vanderbilt sustained heavy losses and conceded control of the railroad to the trio.

In 1870, Fisk and Gould betrayed Drew, manipulating the stock price of the Erie Railroad and causing him to lose $1.5 million. The Panic of 1873 cost him still more, and by 1876, Drew filed for bankruptcy, with debts exceeding a million dollars and no viable assets. He died in 1879, dependent on his son for support.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Drew
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
That's interesting Glass, it seems as though Shinannigans have been going on for a while...
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
forever [Smile]

Fisk and Gould made their stake as "cotton smugglers" during the civil war... they were some of the original "carpetbaggers"
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
"NY style" has nothing to do with the market Glassman.....

There are some nuts in this state.....

Oh yeah, and we're a bunch of totally sane people down here [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Jenna, to answer your question why im still holding if i dont like Arlitt? I personally believe he will be removed from the position before too long so whether or not i like him wont matter. He can go back to pumping stocks all over the net or whatever it is hes qualified for.

Im not trying to be rude to your Dad because of his opinions. Im tired of people openly posting on a public thread that Rufus Paul Harris is a scamster / fraud. When someone posts something like that as "matter of fact" without some sort of documentation to back it up i find it very unsettling and I second guess their motives.

Maybe Repo is right, shut this thread down...its worthless. Its just full of people pretending to be judge and jury on a case they have NO clue about. Ive read through this garbage for weeks now and its full of regurgitated nonsense from people over at HSM that are becoming VERY manipulative IMO.

I dont dislike Doc, hes not the first person ive "called out" when it comes to posting things like "Rufus is nothing but a scamster and will do time" blah blah blah. This is nothing personal against your Dad Jenna, hes just the latest person i find posting "potentially" false information.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Just in case anyone missed me. This song is dedicated to Humble, Milliam, Glassman and all the others who hold out a glimmer of hope and spend fruitless hours congering up plausible unrealistic scenarios of how this could be anything but dead.

DING DONG! THE STOCK IS DEAD

Ding Dong! The Stock is dead. Which old Stock? The CSHD Stock
!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Stock is dead.

Wake up - you sleepy heads, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Stock is dead.

She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below .10. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Stock is dead!

Rufus
As Shyster of the CSHD City, In the County of the Land of Oz, I welcome you most regally.

Sabra
But we've got to verify it legally, to see

Rufus
To see?

Sabra
If it

Rufus
If she?

Sabra
Is immorally, unethic'lly

Arlitt
Spiritually, physically

Mike
Positively, absolutely

Stockholders
Undeniably and reliably Dead

Repo the Coroner
As Coroner I must aver, I thoroughly examined it.
And CSHD's not only merely dead, CSHD's really most sincerely dead.

Rufus
Then this is a day of Reckoning for all the stockholders and their descendants

Sabra
If any.

Rufus
Yes, let the news be spread to those who still believe The wicked Old Stock at last is dead!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i'm curious why you think i
hold out a glimmer of hope and spend fruitless hours congering up plausible unrealistic scenarios of how this could be anything but dead.

i have to say that i don't think you have ever actually read my posts...
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
wv1973

You my friend are not as well informed as you could be! [Wink]
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
Glass and others -- just joking. Nothing personal just probably picked up the wrong name.
 
Posted by wv1973 on :
 
fhalyesss -- you my friend are correct. Educate me because if ever a day goes by that I don't learn something new, it's a wasted day. I await your counsel.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
wv1973 & others....have I missed something? I thought that by us having a proxy vote coming with things to vote on means that life maybe slowly coming back.....If we vote to separate the company from the bonds & Rufus....then doesn't that mean they have complied with the SEC & the company gets to move on? This is how I understood it.....wouldn't this mean the proxy vote would be the begining of the end but also the start of something new?

Correct me if I'm wrong.......
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Oh, this is far from over....did you say over? Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? [Big Grin] .

I don't think the stock is dead. Even if it is, the entertainment value is still HUGE!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Jenna, this whole deal with separating Rufus and the bonds from us is pretty strange to me. I just don't see how we can still be a company without the bonds. I understand that Rufus feels like he's got more assets to move us to, but where in the heck did these assets come from?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
We should vote to have a company share buy back at $7. And take it private. Won't have to hassle with us troublesome shareholders.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Jenna, this whole deal with separating Rufus and the bonds from us is pretty strange to me. I just don't see how we can still be a company without the bonds. I understand that Rufus feels like he's got more assets to move us to, but where in the heck did these assets come from?

Milliam, I think they are new assets but perhaps they can't use them until they separate Rufus & the bonds from the company.....then the co. can use them.......Rufus stated he was going to separate from the co with the bonds & continue with the court case as a separate entity....I think if he did do that I would be happy & it would restore a little more respect some respect for him......
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
We should vote to have a company share buy back at $7. And take it private. Won't have to hassle with us troublesome shareholders.

6- I would be soooo happy if that was one of the proposals on the proxy!!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Jenna- if we can vote for what you are saying, i'll go for it. I wonder who the new CEO would be? Isn't the other issue to have the 6-1. I'm not sure if thats any good. If we start a new asset what will we be worth. I sold 10000 shares today, but I think i'll keep the rest for awhile to see where this goes.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
6- that's what Rufus was saying on SPR- that the proxy vote will be on a few things & one of them would be company projects, & the 6:1, I also think, I'm not sure, I thought that he was implying that we would vote on whether to separate the company from the bonds in order to move on.....

Wally, Tax, I know that you guys were listening too, is that how you understood it?
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Well i think rufas wants to stay with the bonds because they are worth something why would he be willing to move us along and he stay behind??? Just a question...hmmmm mo
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
You guys I have to say something:

I feel like I should not be passing judgment on anyone until we know all of the facts. I used to really love Rufus, I have sinced changed my opinion of Rufus because of things that were told to me & things that I have read maybe he has done nothing how do I REALLY know, I also have changed my opinions on other people involved with the company but I guess that's not fair.....I'm sorry for some of the comments I have made regarding anyone's character.....

.....until we have all the facts- from Alana Black or any law enforcement personnel I will no longer judge ANYONE in this.....not even Rufus...BUT that doesn't mean I'm going to trust anyone either & that means ANYONE.....(except for all of you guys of course) [Wink]
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
LOL~ who can we trust? This sucks not knowing if the truth is staring us in the face...I think we all would have loved it if the trust hadn't been broken so easily, live and learn .... [Wink] smile it gets better with time mo
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Hell this is like that rat I keep shooting at, think I need to get a lil closer I hit him but he doesn't fall down ...instead he runs fast to the logs LOL~ maybe my bb gun isn't strong enough..LOL [Wink]
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Nope says it shoots 480 feet per second and from my window its only about 200 feet from the 2nd story window LOL~ he's quick he's nimble.... wait here comes again !!!hehehe
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Unfortunately here is how I see the cards people are holding so far:

RPH – has admitted friends/family could/did sell shares as this was there prerogative. (They never would sell of course unless instructed to do so.)

MA – has admitted CEOTA was a fake company. That is how this mess started but may be ok if it was the key item that attracted RPH. (Part of his short trap, reverse merge w/ a co. that is already hugely sold short in the market legally or naked. Also implies RPH new he could get the price up, possibly from real assets.

JA - Robert Bogutski’s firm in Plano TX as his suggestion to be involved as a transfer agent starts to show his true colors. I think this is the best evidence so far that he has major strikes against him as well. (Great find Humble!!!)

SHC – just believing what they have been fed. Very likely imo they are being used as pawns w out getting truth either.

Looks like all three above may have already made their $ on this which leaves us with, why do any of them still want to be involved w this or have their names attached to it? Are they all hoping and praying they could look like the good guy, pit more blame on the others, trying to avoid jail? Or are their assets that hold real value to this co.?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvforever:
Nope says it shoots 480 feet per second and from my window its only about 200 feet from the 2nd story window LOL~ he's quick he's nimble.... wait here comes again !!!hehehe

LOL....
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
Unfortunately here is how I see the cards people are holding so far:

RPH – has admitted friends/family could/did sell shares as this was there prerogative. (They never would sell of course unless instructed to do so.)

MA – has admitted CEOTA was a fake company. That is how this mess started but may be ok if it was the key item that attracted RPH. (Part of his short trap, reverse merge w/ a co. that is already hugely sold short in the market legally or naked. Also implies RPH new he could get the price up, possibly from real assets.

JA - Robert Bogutski’s firm in Plano TX as his suggestion to be involved as a transfer agent starts to show his true colors. I think this is the best evidence so far that he has major strikes against him as well. (Great find Humble!!!)

SHC – just believing what they have been fed. Very likely imo they are being used as pawns w out getting truth either.

Looks like all three above may have already made their $ on this which leaves us with, why do any of them still want to be involved w this or have their names attached to it? Are they all hoping and praying they could look like the good guy, pit more blame on the others, trying to avoid jail? Or are their assets that hold real value to this co.?

Signature is actually run by Jason Bogutski. I take a small leap in guessing that Jason is Robert's kin based on the proximity, rare name and similar business. Everyone needs to judge that relationship after looking into it for themselves.

I'd hate to implicate an innocent man.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
theCon- good post....Do you have to actually be in the SHC to be in that SHC category in your post?....because I feel like I fall into that category... [Wink]
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
OT: 10, did your son get home?
[Big Grin] Yes...he is home...and eating all of my food!!! LOL! [Big Grin]
My 8 year old cried like crazy when he came through the doors at the airport...they are great buds and they haven't seen each other in over 2 years...
But my youngest was a little "unsure"...however..all is good now..and all the other kids are already back to arguing with him...it's as if he was never gone...siblings are very odd...LOL
thanks for asking... [Wink]

Glad to hear your son is home! I have a brother-in-law who just got home from Iraq a couple months ago. It is such a relief when they get home safe. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anybody know why AUGC has N/A next to it on Scottrade?
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Jenna,

you've always worn your heart on your sleeve thought all of this and have done so much work for this board that i think anyone who claims your are anything less than sincere is at the very least a poor judge of character. i personally am glad you always tell us what you know and honestly believe. CAT and I honestly felt something was up with CEOTA, FHAL, and MA and our gut led us down the right trail even though we couldn't prove it till now. That’s how we all are discovering info. Your info on JA may still prove right; also your instincts may be right. I defiantly don’t put you in the SHC group just for stating what you believe and i really am not disappointed with anyone who thought the SHC was or is the right move now as long as people are making the right move for them and being honest in telling others what their reasons and motivation is/are. - CON
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Darn it! he got away again that lil peeper can run!!.. he keeps taking the poison too1 heck he took the whole box and all from the garage! I know I am hitting him maybe I ought try a shot gun LOL~...naw too much fun target practice with him while waiting on cshd to do something and if I kill him what would i do to bide my time LOL~ [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
con- thanks for the kind words....

Do you have AUGC?
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Jenna n/a means not available did they do a merger or something usually that means you cant touch the shares until whatever is done.... from my experience with it and scottrade... [Wink]
 
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Posted by luvforever on :
 
ugh ohh sounds like the n/a might take some time Jenna cause they say they are working around the clock LOL~ j/k [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
The last time I saw N/A it was for CSHD - when it was suspended....OH No I take that back I saw that for LFZA when it changed symbols to USSE but I knew that was coming....
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
no

looks interesting

is it too late to own this, what’s the deal w this stock i saw the pr. w such a low pps the have got to be too many shares to count in the float but i could see how this could be a quick double or triple upon completion. How many shares u in with?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Hi, just peeking in to say hello, I'm going to watch some tv.I'm sure I'll probably check in later. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
con, It has an N/A next to it on Scottrade- I'm scared - I hope I wasn't duped but at least I only had $350 in it.....
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
jenna,

i noticed this was at a penny in the last year wow. but your volume in dec. look good. this may be one of those examples of n shorting a stock into oblivion. lets hope it no CSHD in a few...

what does you dd tell you about this besides the PR? i may throw a few hundred at it also
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Honestly, I only know what I read on the thread...I only put 350 into it...so I really didn't do my own dd....shame on me....
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
what has the price been last 30 days. and just before and after 12/20?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
.0001...I don't think it has moved.....I tried to sell a small portion just for giggles & I had it at .0001 for 3 days with no luck.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
if 9M is a typical day for volume its only trading around a thousand dollars a day for volume.

even the 4B dollar by back would only be 400k in monitary value. doesn't bode well for the out look on the future market cap of this co. if this is being thrown out there as a major by back.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Doc, I hope Arlitt SEVERELY disappoints you and proves that even YOU dont have all of the answers. If you knew "all along" that the guy screaming shorters the loudest was probably the guilty one then why did you remain an investor?! Why did you let your own daughter leave her money invested when you KNEW Rufus was just going to short it and leave her broke?

When you first came into this board people distrusted you because of some of your comments, and then you retracted those comments so people would like you again. Oddly enough it appears you never really changed your mind, you just refrained from posting your true feelings....until now of course since Rufus is such an easy target.

Its no secret that I hate what Rufus did to some people. He either A-Scammed everyone or B-Was legit but got in over his head.....in either case he lost some people A LOT of money. But, you....nor any other self proclaimed securities law professional on this board, have any right to post such inflammatory things against a guy that has not even been judged yet! And, do you think I gave a "F" what Tony Soprano has to say?!?! Who the hell is he to me?!

This board is FULL of people either brainwashing or being brainwashed themselves....which is why i rarely post anymore. Some of you people will believe anything. Where the hell are our Gates of Victory huh?

Wake up people, Arlitt isnt your savior. If you are looking for someone who probably made a mint off of this you might want to look his direction...of course hes a German Canadian with ties all over the world so i doubt you will find what you are looking for. [Roll Eyes]

Oh, and the SCH keeps getting brought up as well. Again i say, on what legal grounds do we have a SHC?!?! None

You have shown your true colors. Don't ever question how I treat my family. I will never question how you treat yours. I choose as I told you in the answer to you PM that you sent,to stay in this and to give our new CEO a fair chance to upright our company. If you have such little confidence in him, why don't you sell your shares? For you to bring up the way I was received on this site several months ago, in my opinion; is extremely callous and ignorant. Most of the people from that night have become good friends of mine. I can now see that one of them that I considered a friend is far from that. You have a right to believe in whomever you want to and because you believe in that person I promise I won't question your purpose. All I ask from you is not to question my purpose or what I do for my family that I love with all my heart. Show a little more class then you did in this post.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Doc, I hope Arlitt SEVERELY disappoints you and proves that even YOU dont have all of the answers. If you knew "all along" that the guy screaming shorters the loudest was probably the guilty one then why did you remain an investor?! Why did you let your own daughter leave her money invested when you KNEW Rufus was just going to short it and leave her broke?

When you first came into this board people distrusted you because of some of your comments, and then you retracted those comments so people would like you again. Oddly enough it appears you never really changed your mind, you just refrained from posting your true feelings....until now of course since Rufus is such an easy target.

Its no secret that I hate what Rufus did to some people. He either A-Scammed everyone or B-Was legit but got in over his head.....in either case he lost some people A LOT of money. But, you....nor any other self proclaimed securities law professional on this board, have any right to post such inflammatory things against a guy that has not even been judged yet! And, do you think I gave a "F" what Tony Soprano has to say?!?! Who the hell is he to me?!

This board is FULL of people either brainwashing or being brainwashed themselves....which is why i rarely post anymore. Some of you people will believe anything. Where the hell are our Gates of Victory huh?

Wake up people, Arlitt isnt your savior. If you are looking for someone who probably made a mint off of this you might want to look his direction...of course hes a German Canadian with ties all over the world so i doubt you will find what you are looking for. [Roll Eyes]

Oh, and the SCH keeps getting brought up as well. Again i say, on what legal grounds do we have a SHC?!?! None

Mr. C .....You have shown your true colors. Don't ever question how I treat my family. I will never question how you treat yours. I choose as I told you in the answer to you PM that you sent,to stay in this and to give our new CEO a fair chance to upright our company. If you have such little confidence in him, why don't you sell your shares? For you to bring up the way I was received on this site several months ago, in my opinion; is extremely callous and ignorant. Most of the people from that night have become good friends of mine. I can now see that one of them that I considered a friend is far from that. You have a right to believe in whomever you want to and because you believe in that person I promise I won't question your purpose. All I ask from you is not to question my purpose or what I do for my family that I love with all my heart. Show a little more class then you did in this post.

 
Posted by driver4t4 on :
 
very nice post doc, very classy reply, we all have our own opinion as to who can do the better job as CEO and imo rufus is not the one.

this is what is so nice about these bulleton boards, they are all about opinions, personal attacks right now could be because of frustration and broken dreams, hopefully posters won't post comments to riun their credibility.

this company still has a chance, but only if it is managed by the right CEO.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by driver4t4:
very nice post doc, very classy reply, we all have our own opinion as to who can do the better job as CEO and imo rufus is not the one.

this is what is so nice about these bulleton boards, they are all about opinions, personal attacks right now could be because of frustration and broken dreams, hopefully posters won't post comments to riun their credibility.

this company still has a chance, but only if it is managed by the right CEO.

Thanks Driver ... [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
10 .... What a great birthday present you received. A son safely home. Congrats. [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by atthebank on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by driver4t4:
very nice post doc, very classy reply, we all have our own opinion as to who can do the better job as CEO and imo rufus is not the one.

this is what is so nice about these bulleton boards, they are all about opinions, personal attacks right now could be because of frustration and broken dreams, hopefully posters won't post comments to riun their credibility.

this company still has a chance, but only if it is managed by the right CEO.

DITTO
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Grrrr Doc, i had a huge post for you and misclicked....losing it all. The bottom line was, i wasnt telling you how to treat your family. I have no idea what your family life is about. But, you claim to have known all along what Rufus's agenda was so why didnt you urge Jenna to sell? My point is, you didnt know anything for sure but now that people are piling on Rufus you are jumping on the bandwagon.......again. Which brings up why i mentioned how you originally came onto this board. Maybe you were too timid to speak your "true" mind back then because you were being attacked in the boards, thats VERY understandable. But, now that you think Rufus is the root of all evil you are willing to speak out against him. I sincerely hope your decisions arent based on any "leaked" info from the SHC or directors of the company. Ive heard a lot of that stuff myself and its a LOAD of BS. Do your DD again on Arlitt and this time let it soak in. Everyone was so happy to see Rufus go they didnt even realize the POS that took his place!!!! For YEARS he has been a paid pumper brought onboard to make something out of nothing. DD the man!!! Hell, as Tut he went on and on telling people how great this company was going to be and that his DD showed that this was going to be a lottery ticket for everyone involved!! Uhhhh, if his DD was so great then why are we here at this point today?

Heres the deal Doc. Ive been speaking with Jenna off and on and im actually concerned about some of the things she has been told. Shes a sweet person and I feel she has been targetted. With that said, people.....plllleeeeeease dont send me any more "know boat" propaganda. Im not interested in what Arlitt has been filling peoples minds with.

To top off the Arlitt nonsense I personally i feel there is AT LEAST one poster on this board that is not here for the same reasons as the rest of us, probably working for Arlitt. Im talking about people that have earned the trust of some very good people here and then used those people to spread false information. You people know who you are and im sure your post history is all archived someplace. Oooh, i bet all of your PMs are archived as well...better be careful!!

So, Doc....as you can see im pretty much pissed off and it was never intended to be directed at you. I stand by the "facts" i posted in regards to you but unfortunately i made it personal and it was not in good taste. I apologize for the way i worded things regarding you and and your daughter, i seriously did not mean it how it came across. If you dont believe me ask Jenna about the PMs i had with her between me inital post and this post. My outburst against you was just my final straw after hearing MORE crap from the HSM "insiders".

I intended to come on this morning and explain myself a bit more regarding Arlitt. Again, i had a long detailed post but messed it up so here is the shortened version.

The stuff below is MY OPINION and should be taken as that...................

I personally believe that Sabra set this all up. Rufus was likely a pawn and believed in everything he posted, said and PRd. Its possible even Mike Alexander was clueless of what Sabra was up to as well but the whole CEOTA thing keeps me on the fence with that one. I spoke with Rufus over the phone after the merger agreement was released and he explained the $15 a share. I asked about the log deal and he said "Its not what we originally hoped it would be". He probably found out the hard way that it was bogus. Im wondering why he didnt bail right at that moment but maybe Sabra and company convinced him to hang in there. I also believe that when the PPS didnt skyrocket like Sabra hoped she hired Arlitt to "do what he does" and pump like mad over on HSM, hence Tut. If you really think about it folks, who pumped the CSHD pps the most....was it Rufus or was it Tut? Seriously, think about that. Everyone keeps saying that Rufus wanted the SHC and the SHC voted in Arlitt so why feel sorry for Rufus?! Well, what if Rufus was instructed to play it out like that?

Heres some final food for thought. Historically when a scam like this takes place the scamsters run like rats when the game is over. The ONLY person posting as himself on HSM and speaking as himself on SPR is Rufus Paul Harris. Everyone else (including a chunk of the SHC no one voted on to begin with) has slowly disappeared, some with vague explainations...some with nothing at all. Other than that we have some people posting under aliases at HSM pretending to still care about the shareholders...but what are they doing exactly?

There is no doubt there was a HUGE scam pulled somewhere along the way here. But, if everyone just throws in the towel and assumes Rufus is the guilty party here i think we have just lost whatever fight we had left in us.

WV1973, i also owe you an apology. You tried to warn me about Arlitt a LONG time ago and i fought you on it.

PurlGurl, if you ever read this anymore ive found your posts over at SI very informative. I'll be bashed to high heaven for saying this but more people should have taken your posts to heart and maybe things would have been uncovered sooner. Nice DD work, especially on Arlitt and the other folks from his hood.

PS - If you dont like my "true colors" it wont break my heart [Smile]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Hmmm...the "big pumpers" have turned on each other...and now it spreads to the "small posters"...?
Money sucks!

Cat? I understand your intent...People have been "fooled and mislead"...and ALL the truths are not out yet...let's wait to "hear and see the truths"...BEFORE giving a verdict...IF the truth is ever revealed...
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Mr. Cat ....Apology accepted. One point, if you are going to look at DD on individuals, I kick myself and you should also kick yourself at the DD on Rufus and Ben. Both have dark backgrounds. Hopefully this ridiculous CSHD story ends with a "happy ending". By the way, as I said in my other message to you; you have a right to believe in whomever you want to ....without my questioning your purpose. I respect your opinion. [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Cat ...... One more thing .... I think that your idea about Sabra being a major player in this scam has much merit. I also believe that she will be exposed for her part in this in the near future.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Mr. Cat ....Apology accepted. One point, if you are going to look at DD on individuals, I kick myself and you should also kick yourself at the DD on Rufus and Ben. Both have dark backgrounds. Hopefully this ridiculous CSHD story ends with a "happy ending". [Smile]

Doc, i totally agree with what you are saying about Rufus and Ben. FWIW at least Rufus and Ben tried to explain their past, Arlitt hid behind an alias until it was too late.

If i were to kick myself it would be for NOT selling every share at at 4000% gain regardless of who is who. I sold enough shares and flipped some more to make me happy but it still burns me that people are getting away with CRIME! Im not P'd off because i feel i got screwed...i did ok, im P'd off because ive met friends along the way that bought in at $1, $2, $3..whatever and have watched their portfolios shrink MASSIVELY. Its truly sad.

Thanks for accepting the apology......i felt like an azz
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
wv1973 & others....have I missed something? I thought that by us having a proxy vote coming with things to vote on means that life maybe slowly coming back.....If we vote to separate the company from the bonds & Rufus....then doesn't that mean they have complied with the SEC & the company gets to move on? This is how I understood it.....wouldn't this mean the proxy vote would be the begining of the end but also the start of something new?

Correct me if I'm wrong.......

Between personal situations taking more and more of my time and also attempting to let what I heard the other night sink in and mull around in my brain for a while, I haven't posted about Rufus on SPR until now.,

Remember that everything I'm commenting on is soley based on what Rufus stated and therefore is only one side of the story. Where the truth lies is anyone's guess.

According to Rufus the 6-1 is still in play and would be issued to stockholders of record, I believe on the 16th of October. He was asked and stated that even those who had sold after the 16th would receive them. Remember that Arlitt also Pr'ed that the 6-1 would be honored. At least they agree on something.

My understanding of the proxy is that it would be for the shareholders to vote on a plan first withdraw the PR's and other filings pertaining to the bonds, the issue that the SEC is most concerned with. After doing this the company would then be able to move forward with new assests of $52M, that has already been arranged. Rufus and the bonds would continue the federal court case and SEC action seperately. Any positive outcome from the court system would benefit the shareholders. Also the proxy would be for installing new officers of the company. Who and how was not explained.
According to RUfus this will happen within the next 2-4 weeks. He maintains that he is the true CEO of Conversion Solutions.

Personally, I have no idea if this will happen or not. I do know, as most here already know that a power struggle is underway. THe shareholders are being told that each of the individuals is trying to help the shareholders. I disagree. I do think someone is trying to save the company and the shareholders but that the other faction is attempting to hide their involvement in whatever SCAM was perpetrated. The easiest way to do that of course is to control the company, it's documents and information. I'm not going to attempt to figure out who is who. I just don't have enough Information to make that determination.

IMO. The one dot that connects through this whole scenario is Sabra. She Knew Mike, she brought the bonds to the company. Her involvement is key.

Will this company survive? It's really hard to say. It does appear that the consensus from Rufus, Arlitt and Alexander is that in order for the company to move forward, new funding is neccessary. If, and this is a big IF, the company moves forward it will not be the company we once thought of. The $15 a share is out the window. This was all based on a company with billions in assests and now best case scenario would be $52M.

IMO, we are still months away from anything truely positive happening if it is going to happen and maybe years away from finding out who the true culprits are and any type of resolution that might come.

Anyone who claims we are "Golden", is filling your minds with "Fool's Gold", it looks like the real thing but ends up being worthless.

This board for the most part has been one of the most even keel boards out there. THe true pumpers used HSM and the Bashers used IHUB. I have respect for many that have and continue to post here and hope that we can avoid the disintegration of the relationships and goodwill that has developed over the past months.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
HEY!!! guess what!!!! you can take this cshd thread back to micro penny stocks under 10 cents! yeah!

happy repo?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Well said Wally...thanks
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Well said Wally...thanks

Yea, and he didnt even insult anyone in the process. I could use some Wally pointers. [Smile]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Well said Wally...thanks

Yea, and he didnt even insult anyone in the process. I could use some Wally pointers. [Smile]
I dis-agree...WE ALL could!
[Wink]
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
great post wmac, as usual.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
So I wonder what the 50+ million in assets Rufus has lined up. What if they are bonds? Will the SEC let a new CSHD (or whatever) move ahead with them?

My other big question is, if we do separate from Rufus and the bonds and the SEC finds that everything is fine (or maybe just that those bonds aren't, but the others are), will we (the new company) get those assets back?

Crazy stuff indeed!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, im sure this is going WAY out on a limb here but does anyone have the original FHAL M N 1 interviews on MP3?

If i recall there were 3 (4 actually but i think its one interview cut in half). The first one was just Mike and he mostly talked about the "Loadsource" trucking software and the purchase of the new trucks. The last 2 were regarding the merger with CVSU. The one I cant seem to find was the second one. Im almost 100% certain that the interview was with Mike and a guy from CEOTA (possibly Gordon Brown). During the interview I recall that either Mike or Randy Mosely had some sort of business relationship with this CEOTA guy for years which basically got them the contract without much hassle.

Ok, the reason i bring this up is now the word on the street is that CEOTA is bogus. I kinda suspected this all along and was actually the first red flag that i blindly ignored. If CEOTA is bogus i wonder who the guy was in the interview on M N 1. I would LOVE to get my hands on that second interview, last i checked it was not available on M N 1's site [Frown]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
So I wonder what the 50+ million in assets Rufus has lined up. What if they are bonds? Will the SEC let a new CSHD (or whatever) move ahead with them?

My other big question is, if we do separate from Rufus and the bonds and the SEC finds that everything is fine (or maybe just that those bonds aren't, but the others are), will we (the new company) get those assets back?

Crazy stuff indeed!

Thats a very good question. It would be quite ironic if we seperate ourselves from Rufus and the bonds and everything turns out to be legit. My guess is we would be struggling like BBAN and Rufus will be out looking for a new shell.

Milliam.....there is really no need to put those thoughts in my head [Big Grin]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
HEY!!! guess what!!!! you can take this cshd thread back to micro penny stocks under 10 cents! yeah!

happy repo?

Your right, this isn't a hot stock anymore
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok, im sure this is going WAY out on a limb here but does anyone have the original FHAL M N 1 interviews on MP3?

If i recall there were 3 (4 actually but i think its one interview cut in half). The first one was just Mike and he mostly talked about the "Loadsource" trucking software and the purchase of the new trucks. The last 2 were regarding the merger with CVSU. The one I cant seem to find was the second one. Im almost 100% certain that the interview was with Mike and a guy from CEOTA (possibly Gordon Brown). During the interview I recall that either Mike or Randy Mosely had some sort of business relationship with this CEOTA guy for years which basically got them the contract without much hassle.

Ok, the reason i bring this up is now the word on the street is that CEOTA is bogus. I kinda suspected this all along and was actually the first red flag that i blindly ignored. If CEOTA is bogus i wonder who the guy was in the interview on M N 1. I would LOVE to get my hands on that second interview, last i checked it was not available on M N 1's site [Frown]

Can't help you with the tape but DO remember the interview exactly as you stated. In fact it was just prior to that interview that I bought FHAL. I also remember them stating that the contracts were done but because of the world cup the whole country was on siesta. That it would be done within the next week. I almost sold for a small loss but then the Reverse Merger was PR'ed.

Prior to the merger it was never my intent to hold FHAL. it was strictly a News Momo play that I had planned to exit at 35% profit. Sounded to risky to me. The whole line of them not being able to get anything done because of World Cup was a Red Flag for me. It's the same as saying that no business is conducted in the U.S. during the World Series, March Madness or the Super Bowl week. I found it ridiculous.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yea i remember the World Cup thing too but i didnt get the red flag. I work for an international company with Germans, Mexicans and British in the same office with me. During the World Cup almost our entire office was in the lunchroom with a projector playing the game on the wall....true story. When i saw that the whole "Brazilian govt stopped working thing" kinda made more sense to me. [Smile]
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
I am sorry if this is a stupid question, but why are there people fighting over the CEO position of a "scam" company? We are on the "greys". Why not just walk away?

I don't know who to believe, Rufus or John. I may be wrong, but if this company was worth nothing, because it's a scam, than why all the fighting?

This is a sincere question so I would love a sincere answer. [Smile]

Oh, and Milliam, I am just catching up so I just wanted to let you know that it Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Sorry Cat...that was "before my time"...(wow...I can actually say that about something LOL)
Here's the first thread on the stuff...started around June 14th...looks like they start talking about M N 1 around page 10


http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/022582.html?

In that thread is this post...

kt325ci
Member


Member Rated:
posted June 14, 2006 09:21 PMJune 14, 2006 21:21
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The news about todays LOI is on the CEOTA website.
http://www.ceota.org/


That link now takes you to some sort of "painting" website...

Here's another link to the same website...and a post that used to be on that website...

pennyaddict71
Member


posted June 15, 2006 08:34 AMJune 15, 2006 08:34
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This contract was issued by Ceota, I've done my D+D on Ceota and they are for real, this is going to be HUGE!

http://www.ceota.org/index.html

Ceota has entered into contract with FHAL, this is HUGE for the stock.. and if it doesn't go up short term I'm not worried as this is one of the few long tem hold out there, once they start recovering these logs and selling them off for lumber earnings will bring this baby up.

CEOTA is a non-profit organization based in Fort Worth, Texas that is focused on the preservation and reforestation of the Amazon basin rainforest in Brazil.
The Brazilian rainforest represents about 1/3 of all remaining rainforest in the world and generates over 15% of all oxygen for the planet.

The Amazon River is over 4,000 miles long and discharges 14 times the amount of water as the Mississippi River.

With all the deforestation and clearing of land, this natural ecosystem is being detroyed. CEOTA is making a difference and is working to preserve natural land and to, reforest cleared and harvested areas, as well as, the recovery of abandoned logs in the Amazon River.

Assist CEOTA's efforts by making a donation and subscribing to the CEOTA Email List.

We thank you for your time and assistance with the CEOTA projects.


CEOTA has the exclusive license to recover logs from a 100 mile stretch of the Amazon River in Brazil. Experts have determined through sonar analysis and measured navigational hazards there are at least 6,000,000 cubic meters of easily recoverable wood.
This wood is very resilient to water and only the outer layers are affected. CEOTA is actively working towards recovery of this wood as experts have determined that for each log recovered there will be an equivalent to 35 living trees that will be saved from destruction thus saving valuable acres of existing rainforest.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
You know Cat,

How did Rufus and Mike first make contact. Because IMO, The cat(I don't mean you) was about to be let out of the bag. There was no way they could keep delaying the award of this nonexistent contract. It was definately a ploy to raise the PPS.

If my understanding about Toxic Financing is correct, the financer's short the stock and do whatever they can to make the PPS plummett so that they not only don't have to follow through on additional financing but also can convert their shares at a lower and better position. Almost control a company.

With that in mind, someone like Mike would be desperate to dig out of the hole. The deck is stacked against him. Rufus was the perfect ace in the hole. Put the CEOTA deal on the back burner and make people forget about it. Help the PPS go up, short it and then pull the rug out from under it. Make money on the rise and the fall.

I've always wondered where Mike got the money to buy ECOWOOD. HMM. Interesting coincidence.

Not saying that is what happened but you know the oold saying if the shoe fits.............

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
I am sorry if this is a stupid question, but why are there people fighting over the CEO position of a "scam" company? We are on the "greys". Why not just walk away?

I don't know who to believe, Rufus or John. I may be wrong, but if this company was worth nothing, because it's a scam, than why all the fighting?

This is a sincere question so I would love a sincere answer. [Smile]

Oh, and Milliam, I am just catching up so I just wanted to let you know that it Japan that bombed Pearl Harbor. [Big Grin]

There are only two reasons. First, because you truly believe that the company is worth something and that the prospects for the future are great or You want ot be able to control the information and records of the company in or to hide wrongdoing. Who believes what is a matter for speculation.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
im sorry wally..but if u havent heard anything by now...there was fraud they made money, slap on the wrists for them
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
im sorry wally..but if u havent heard anything by now...there was fraud they made money, slap on the wrists for them

I must have missed the pacer report from the courts and the SEC final disposition could you please provide the links so we all can read the WHO WHAT WHERE WHEN and HOW? By the way I think my post was pretty clear as to a fraud being committed and somebody having made money, it's just the who that's in doubt.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by etouqe123 on :
 
Just when I was going to cash in my CSHD shares for beer money (very cheap beer) this comes up!?

After we got the "E" I knew Rufus was full of Sh*t and I trust him even less now, but I just hate to throw away money with the shares being this cheap. Another conundrum, should I sell for dirt cheap or hope this nightmare will somehow work itself out.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Wally,

I can attest...having played soccer for about 36 years of my life (age 6 thru college and some semi pro), that it is actually a very sad but true fact about some of these World Cup Countries. If their country is actually in the final group of 32 that make the World Cup Finals, the country will actually shut down.

It is highly possible that someone is just such a huge “Futbol” fan that they take the entire month off to watch as many games as possible. I used to schedule my work around it. Many people travel to watch the tournament in person. I did this in Italy, 1990 and in the US, 1994.

I was not in this stock just yet so I am not saying I heard the interview...just saying it is very possible Mike was telling the truth.

What country was this guy from?

Matthew


quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok, im sure this is going WAY out on a limb here but does anyone have the original FHAL M N 1 interviews on MP3?

If i recall there were 3 (4 actually but i think its one interview cut in half). The first one was just Mike and he mostly talked about the "Loadsource" trucking software and the purchase of the new trucks. The last 2 were regarding the merger with CVSU. The one I cant seem to find was the second one. Im almost 100% certain that the interview was with Mike and a guy from CEOTA (possibly Gordon Brown). During the interview I recall that either Mike or Randy Mosely had some sort of business relationship with this CEOTA guy for years which basically got them the contract without much hassle.

Ok, the reason i bring this up is now the word on the street is that CEOTA is bogus. I kinda suspected this all along and was actually the first red flag that i blindly ignored. If CEOTA is bogus i wonder who the guy was in the interview on M N 1. I would LOVE to get my hands on that second interview, last i checked it was not available on M N 1's site [Frown]

Can't help you with the tape but DO remember the interview exactly as you stated. In fact it was just prior to that interview that I bought FHAL. I also remember them stating that the contracts were done but because of the world cup the whole country was on siesta. That it would be done within the next week. I almost sold for a small loss but then the Reverse Merger was PR'ed.

Prior to the merger it was never my intent to hold FHAL. it was strictly a News Momo play that I had planned to exit at 35% profit. Sounded to risky to me. The whole line of them not being able to get anything done because of World Cup was a Red Flag for me. It's the same as saying that no business is conducted in the U.S. during the World Series, March Madness or the Super Bowl week. I found it ridiculous.

GLTA
Wally


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
St. Matt...
Doesn't matter at this point now does it?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Guess not...LOL
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Just a side note:

$52,000,000 in cash, with a post proxy share count probably much closer to 100,000,000 shares = about .50/share starting point. Still excellent for any penny stock just beginning its business model. IF it ever gets rolling we would see a good share price again.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
Just a side note:

$52,000,000 in cash, with a post proxy share count probably much closer to 100,000,000 shares = about .50/share starting point. Still excellent for any penny stock just beginning its business model. IF it ever gets rolling we would see a good share price again.

And thats 1x BV if im not mistaken, where as most trade at a higher multiple like many people originally thought was going to happen with CSHD back before all this SEC stuff started.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Heya, thanks for the follow ups on CEOTA. I stepped away from the PC a bit. [Smile]

Anyway, i do feel that maybe things were falling apart for FHAL when Rufus happened by and he was left holding the bag. It supports the feelings people all had when they met Rufus face to face, that he truly appeared to believe in what he was saying. Its very apparent (to me) that the only true winners that have emerged so far are the FHAL officers. IMO they pulled off the sale of a crap shell using folks like William Tay, John Arlitt and Warrior Capital to put all of the pieces together.

If any of this is true im pretty sure most of it would "come out" eventually. And yes, i still believe that when it all comes out Rufus will have no involvement with the original plot.

Good night
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Starting to think the same thing Mr. Catia...starting to think the same thing. [Confused]

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Heya, thanks for the follow ups on CEOTA. I stepped away from the PC a bit. [Smile]

Anyway, i do feel that maybe things were falling apart for FHAL when Rufus happened by and he was left holding the bag. It supports the feelings people all had when they met Rufus face to face, that he truly appeared to believe in what he was saying. Its very apparent (to me) that the only true winners that have emerged so far are the FHAL officers. IMO they pulled off the sale of a crap shell using folks like William Tay, John Arlitt and Warrior Capital to put all of the pieces together.

If any of this is true im pretty sure most of it would "come out" eventually. And yes, i still believe that when it all comes out Rufus will have no involvement with the original plot.

Good night


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Matt- this Gordon Bennet stuff is making me think.....what was that thing we were told about a "Gordon"?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
-sorry maybe I shouldn't have said that "outloud"....
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I'm not sure who that is...have we talked about him? I was asked by someone on HSM to find out who Rufus was reaching out to the night he was on SPR after John took over. They said it was someone named Gordon. I was never able to figure it out for sure.
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Anyone that thinks Rufus was a victim in this whole mess is f'n crazy . Rufus knows damn good and well if the bond ownership is bogus and if he didn't , he should have never opened his big a$$ mouth in the first place. It was his bull$hit that drew people into this mess. He was 100% sure at the time things were as advertised . I never even heard him entertain the thought that the bonds were fake or even that they were not completely owned by CSHD. Infact it was just the opposite and he even went so far as to promise $15.00 a share or CSHD would buy the shares back. Now all he can say is oh well , sue me ???? That doesn't exactly sound like a man wanting to look out for his loyal share holders would stood by the company looking like complete morons through all this crap .

Its time you guys just own up to the fact that we got played and most of us lost between 50% and 95% of our investment. GAME OVER . Move on and hope like hell it can be made on some other stock in 2007.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
St Matt and Jenna? Isn't "Gordon" the man at the TA office?

thesource? I think that "most" if not "all" here have decided to accept the fact that the $ in this is "gone" but there are also alot that are still watching and waiting for the "who done it" part of the show.
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Who cares about "who done it" unless someone is actually going to do something about it .
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
I'm not sure who that is...have we talked about him? I was asked by someone on HSM to find out who Rufus was reaching out to the night he was on SPR after John took over. They said it was someone named Gordon. I was never able to figure it out for sure.

I'm wondering if they meant Gordon Brown from the "fake" CEOTA?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Anyone that thinks Rufus was a victim in this whole mess is f'n crazy . Rufus knows damn good and well if the bond ownership is bogus and if he didn't , he should have never opened his big a$$ mouth in the first place. It was his bull$hit that drew people into this mess. He was 100% sure at the time things were as advertised . I never even heard him entertain the thought that the bonds were fake or even that they were not completely owned by CSHD. Infact it was just the opposite and he even went so far as to promise $15.00 a share or CSHD would buy the shares back. Now all he can say is oh well , sue me ???? That doesn't exactly sound like a man wanting to look out for his loyal share holders would stood by the company looking like complete morons through all this crap .

Its time you guys just own up to the fact that we got played and most of us lost between 50% and 95% of our investment. GAME OVER . Move on and hope like hell it can be made on some other stock in 2007.

For me, I have moved on. I have other sstocks that I trade and follow daily. I am not in the least emotionally attached to the stock but that doesn't mean that I want to bury my head in the sand and not know what happened and how it happened. It continues to be a learning experience. If as you state that Rufus knew all along that the whole thing was bogus then it will change my perception of the scamsters we run into becuase all of them that I have seen turn tail and run when the crap hits the fan. If it's not Rufus then it seems to have been a conspiracy of some sort. Either by individuals from the former companies( I include Furia in this because of the shares that appear in the 10K's from both Furia and FHAL prior to CVSU ever entering the picture) or on an even higher level and having to do with the huge short positions that were held. However it turns out there are some interesting factors at work here.

If you feel cheated and have the need to move on, that's your perogative and I wish you well. Allow the rest of us, for whatever reason we may have to entertain ourselves with learning of just watching and wanting to know the truth.

I see see no one posting on this thread, that still has an interest in CSHD, hurting anyone. No one is pumping like so many of the other stocks that are traded on a daily basis and no one is advocating for anyone to buy this stock.

I find it interesting that there are so many people who state they have no interest yet come back and post that either the thread should be moved or locked altogether or that the people here posting should not. It really amazes me that people take time away from their pet stocks or finding new stocks to make money on. I happen to be able to post on this thread yet research, chart and scan for the other stocks that make up the bulk of my portfolio without any negative affect from posting on this thread.

I wish you Good Luck in all your Trades.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Who cares about "who done it" unless someone is actually going to do something about it .

Obivously those that continue to post here. If it doesn't matter to you, you are right it is time to move on.

What's right for you is not neccessarily what's right for everyone.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Well said Wally, that goes for you too Repoman, You just look sad everytime you come over here whining about moving boards!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
There are 2 Gordons i recall........

Gordon Mascarenhas - Someone connected with waatle and had 9,000,000 shares at one time

Gordon Brown - Fake CEOTA CEO
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Thanks for your input "thesource". Very enlightening.

But wait, "who cares who done it"?!?! Are you serious? LOL

So, you dont care who commits the crime as long as SOMEONE pays for it? Whoah, i hope you would admit this to the judge if you are ever picked for jury duty. Id hate to see an innocent person go down for someone elses crime just because you want to get it over with. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
Well said Wally, that goes for you too Repoman, You just look sad everytime you come over here whining about moving boards!

I look sad???

You're the type of guy who plays 3 card monty on a city street and 10 minutes later wonders... "Where's my wallet.."
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
125k shares at .10? Interesting..
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
"You're the type of guy who plays 3 card monty on a city street and 10 minutes later wonders... "Where's my wallet.."


Repo...... Ouch

Talk to me when the fat lady has sung!!!

She might just be backing off the stage!!!

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
No one will probably ever get to the bottom of who did it . Is anyone going to do a damn thing about even if they know for 100% ? IMO , Rufus is the captain of the ship and he's the one responcible for his actions and for all the money lost on this POS . If he was faked out , thats his damn problem . He's the one that claims to be some bond expert and has no problem blowing his horn about how much smarter he is then people that question him .

As I said before , Rufus knew what was going on all along just like he did with BBAN . This was a scam from the get go . His family and friends were selling at the peaks and us morons were scooping them up in hopes of making dollars on pennies . No wonder he could afford to retire after this .

And fhalyesss : The fat lady hasn't sung yet because her pay check bounced before she ever got on stage .
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
LOL...
no-one will get to the bottom of it?

right...

there are lots of us working on getting to the bottom of it...
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
And by the way , where's that Portman guy at ? I'd love to hear some of his smart a$$ remarks about me now ........
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
LOL...
no-one will get to the bottom of it?

right...

there are lots of us working on getting to the bottom of it...

Well hopefully you will have better luck with that than you've had verifying the bonds or even if JA is the damn CEO or not .
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
LOL...
no-one will get to the bottom of it?

right...

there are lots of us working on getting to the bottom of it...

Well hopefully you will have better luck with that than you've had verifying the bonds or even if JA is the damn CEO or not .
Right on source.
Who is going to be the ceo of this pos after Ruf gets his proxy vote?
How much is 6 extra shares of nothing worth?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Thanks for keeping our board active source and 6.
Hi, Repo,miss your remarks.I'm not joking. You know you like us and most of us like you. Thanks for stop kicking us when we;re down. [Smile]

{your nice remarks are missed, not the kick us in the !! remarks}
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Source- I have to admit your fat lady's paycheck bouncing comment had me laughing out loud!

6- 6 shares times nothing is 6 nothings.....just thought I would help you out with that one... [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Kinda funny that all the "ex and current CEOs come out of the woodwork to post and speak and PR things...last week and now they are all tight lipped again...
what a game...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Kinda funny that all the "ex and current CEOs come out of the woodwork to post and speak and PR things...last week and now they are all tight lipped again...
what a game...

OK 10 now it is time for a wallyism. I've held back and only those that know me very well know what these are but now it's time to expose the world to them.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is probably a hunter in the blind with fake web feet and a duck call.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
 -

quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Kinda funny that all the "ex and current CEOs come out of the woodwork to post and speak and PR things...last week and now they are all tight lipped again...
what a game...

OK 10 now it is time for a wallyism. I've held back and only those that know me very well know what these are but now it's time to expose the world to them.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is probably a hunter in the blind with fake web feet and a duck call.

GLTA
Wally


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
From HSM:

Yesterday, 01:11 PM #2015
TonySoprano
HSM Regular




Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 333 Quote:
Originally Posted by KingsHockey
I completely agree with you that rufus is a scammer and that we are basically screwed here, that being said, you and your SHC friends are full of ****. I knew you all were jackasses when you wouldnt even tell us who was in the committee and the fact that nobody voted for your dumb ass. I always thought it was funny that everyone had instant respect for you because you wrote down in a post how successful you were. do everyone a favor and leave, we all hate you and your davinci code secret society. This is coming from someone who agrees 100% with you that everyone got scammed by rufus.


Your answer about the lack of disclosure of who was on the committee is that Rufus the Scammer was sent a list of those involved and asked to approve releasing the names in a PR. That approval was never provided.

As for anything that happened after John Arlitt became CEO, I have no information because I have neither been involved or had any communication from John, just like the rest of you. And you are barking up the wrong tree with me, I have provided more information than anyone else involved and been criticized for doing so by some of the others.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
More from HSM:

Yesterday, 01:20 PM #2031
TonySoprano
HSM Regular




Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 333 Quote:
Originally Posted by CrashDummy#1
TonySoprano, If true ,then you people(SHC) let him out of the hot seat


Crashdummy, here is a synopsis of my thought process in this entire affair:

1. The $800M in original assets was real, it was backed by audited financials.
2. Rufus was so intent on fighting 'Naked Shorts' and the SEC that he had lost touch with his need to maximize shareholder value. His actions over the past 30 days had clearly indicated it, to the extent he allowed trading to be suspended rather than deal with the SEC issues OR even file a response in court.
3. A change in management would eliminate the Naked Short issue, put someone in charge who would focus on the real business, and put the MM in place to return the shareprice to $2 almost instantaneously.

That is how I came to my decision to support the change. For those who criticize that decision, I don't care, I still believe I did the right thing even if John Arlitt was the wrong guy.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Tony is definitely wrong on #2. Rufus repeatedly said he wanted the SEC to halt it to prevent it from trading not the other way around.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
One more guys- this ones intersting...a lady at HSM "revealing" she was on the SHC.....


Originally Posted by Colt PeaceMaker
Ok Tony....You want it....You got it

YES, For a time I was a member of the SHC. Not at the beginning. But I was contacted later on because they were losing people right and left and needed help.

I was thinking it over, during Thanksgiving, I hadn't given an answer yet.

I was not on the committe during the first 3 or 4 calls. So I can't answer any questions as to what took place then, other than what I heard discussed later on the calls I was on.

Here it is: Rufus was supposed to have put out a PR on Monday morning after the SHC was formed. It would have the names of all on the SHC and announce it formally. He did not. He would not return phone calls or messages or emails. No one could make contact with him in any way.
This is strictly what I heard later, I was not on the committee at that time.

I was told that we needed to answer the default judgment or we were sunk.
That we had to change CEO's because Rufus hadn't done it and it didn't look like he ever would and that he still had no lawyer.

So after thinking it over during Thanksgiving, I decided to do what, if anything, I could to help. I was pretty upset at some of the things people had told me during the Holidays. They had lost all hope, and talked of suicide. So I jumped in, desperate to help.

We had a few calls in December.....Myself and several others repeatedly asked for an update for ALL Shareholders to be posted on the Web-site. We were promised that it would happen, but it never did. So we kept asking, and Mark kept promising, but it never happened. Several of us told him we did NOT want to be any part of a "secret society."

The last call we had, which was mid-Dec., We discussed this yet again. We want our names put out there. Mark said ok, and asked each of us who had
no problem with our names being put on the web-site to email him, giving him permission. I did this. But nothing happened.
That same night, we had also decided to have the calls every week on Tuesday nights.

But that was our last call. Mark sent out an email saying we weren't meeting
on Dec.26th, as he had an uncle in the hospital having heart surgery.

After that, he would not and did not respond to anyone's phone calls or emails period. We tried. I wanted to resign, but who to resign to? Mark wouldn't respond, & I didn't know if he was reading the emails or not. Actually, we didn't know if he was alive or dead. We worried that possibly something had happened to him.

Finally, after the events of last week, He made a reappearance. He sent out an email, apologizing, and saying that he could understand if we were angry and wanted to resign.

I did. I sent him my resignation.


Tony Soprano, I was asked a few days ago if I thought you were saying bad things about RPH and had aligned yourself with MA's group due to possible unsavory activities you might have done. I said NO, I think he's a good guy and really believes what he is saying. I'm not sure I think that anymore, after the way you have conducted yourself today.

But I am glad it is all out in the open. I bloody hate secrets. I feel like a load has been taken off me. I wanted to tell everyone, but the main reason I did not was because I was afraid of being bombarded with questions that I don't know the answers to, since I was NOT there when events unfolded in the beginning.

When Rufus did his disappearing act, I really thought he was pushing the SHC to remove him. I felt it was exactly what he wanted to happen. It seemed as though he was giving them no other choice. Time will tell on that one.

But the accusations flying around that members of the committee were involved in any wrong-doing is not true, at least not the advisory committee.
There were many good people who worked very hard to try to do what was best for all Shareholders.

No one was allowed to buy or sell during that time.

I will be posting a copy of the letter of resignation I sent to Mark next.

Then if any of you want to judge me, go ahead. But all I ever wanted was what was best for us all. And every word of this is Truth.

Denise
 
Posted by BooDog on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by bilgert:
 -

quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Kinda funny that all the "ex and current CEOs come out of the woodwork to post and speak and PR things...last week and now they are all tight lipped again...
what a game...

OK 10 now it is time for a wallyism. I've held back and only those that know me very well know what these are but now it's time to expose the world to them.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it is probably a hunter in the blind with fake web feet and a duck call.

GLTA
Wally


Now THATS funny!!
I totally agree!
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
For anyone who did not believe me last week when i said we were going to have a power struggle for the company:

tutankhamen
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2 Do not listen to false prophets like Rufus or past management.

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tut is posting again? Or is it a fake?

Man-o-man...
 
Posted by BooDog on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tut is posting again? Or is it a fake?

Man-o-man...

just too much 10. [Eek!]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Too much? Boo...it's beyond words..."To Da Moon"? Well, CSHD is defintely "out there"...
[Roll Eyes] [Eek!] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
For anyone who did not believe me last week when i said we were going to have a power struggle for the company:

tutankhamen
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2 Do not listen to false prophets like Rufus or past management.

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

I have a hard time believing that this post is the "real Tut". "False prophets" haha give me a friggin break. It sounds like his line of Bull but i doubt its him. Its just someone else trying to distract people and add more confusion to an already VERY confusing situation.

Im to the point now that i find those posts regarding the SHC amusing. TOTALLY disorganized, at least i know im not responsible for that since i didnt vote on it. I also find it amusing that even today Rufus is blamed for the F'd up committee. Arlitt has been running the show for how long now?!? Arlitt appointed Mark yes? I wonder who else he "appointed".

I believe the truth is coming very soon and yes i still believe that Rufus will be running the show when the dust settles.

Just my opinion and remains my opinion until a court of law says otherwise
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
For anyone who did not believe me last week when i said we were going to have a power struggle for the company:

tutankhamen
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 2 Do not listen to false prophets like Rufus or past management.

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

Weird it is the same message he told me on the phone but I don't think that's him...it is spelled differently.....

OOOPs....I slipped....you all knew he was Tut anyways....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tut would not have said..."like Rufas.." he would have left it at false prophets...IMO..
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
...or he would have said:... don't listen to false prophets or the Cobra will strike you while you slumber.....as the Pheonix spreads his wings and flies to Disney World leaving you behind....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
theres a board for you guys over on micro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
trade- I'm going to start calling you tradeR. [Razz]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
No trade...that board is all yours...enjoy!

Not one single trade so far today? has that happened before?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
What do you think that means 10? besides....no one is buying or selling.....is that ususally a good thing? ....I feel like a marshmallow head lately...I can't think for myself....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Has anybody checked Pacers lately?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Strange...no buys or sells.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
jenna? I have no idea...did the SEC "halt" the trading on the Greys?

Maybe something will be on Pacer...
Or we can always check HSM...there MUST be something posted there...granted...take it with a grain of salt...
 
Posted by mathis on :
 
seems it went up on its first trade today
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by mathis:
seems it went up on its first trade today

Hey mathis...!!!
Well...a 25% gain...on 5K traded...
Makes ya wonder...who is buying...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I haven't checked out HSM for around 3 -4 weeks , but Jenna,You peaked my interest last night and thought I could use a laugh or two.

That board is really out of control!!!!
Good humor though.
The mod was SO mad , he said final warning about the attacks on there.He said {again} I will shut this down if this does not stop.

I don't believe that is tut either.IMO
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
HSM is a waste of time unless you just need a laugh? No real information of substance most of the time, just a lot of BS.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Cat .... You have a PM.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
He told me that he made a mistake posting that...


quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tut would not have said..."like Rufas.." he would have left it at false prophets...IMO..


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
He told me that he made a mistake posting that...


quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tut would not have said..."like Rufas.." he would have left it at false prophets...IMO..


So then are you confirming that it was "TUT" John Arlitt?

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
So St.Matt, you are saying that was really tut posting?
Fooled me and alot of others that didn't believe it was him.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Sorry Wally,
I didn't see your question or I wouldn't have asked the same thing.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Yes...he said he was getting tired of people ragging on him and hopped on to respond and now wished he did not. He said it was a mistake.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
IMO,a big mistake! If he is so tired of people ragging on him, why would he even think of the "false prophets" statement? Okay , he admits it was a mistake so I'll shut up. I would have bet that it was not the real tut,wrong again.
 
Posted by mathis on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Yes...he said he was getting tired of people ragging on him and hopped on to respond and now wished he did not. He said it was a mistake.

if he has time to read threads and post on HSM why doesnt he have time to tell us, what the hell is going on?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Very interesting Matt... Are we going to hear anything soon? I understand if it is just your opinion.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Quite frankly I'm surprised that was John....

I'm also afraid that if he feels as though people are turning on him - he will "bail" & he's are only hope right now......The SEC doesn't want Rufus in there - they have made that clear & if he gets in I think the SEC would never end this fight.....at least John is "working with the SEC" as far as we know....

As for Mike...do we really want him in there? He has admitted to "making up" the CEOTA company...or organization - whatever it was....he supposedly has all these shares but as someone on HSM pointed out his shares were nullified in the 10K.....(that was actually on HSM from our very own frank).....That's kinda fishy....

The thing that would save face for John would be for him to PR something.....or better yet (& I know he wouldn't want to do this) go on SPR & talk with Simon.....I think that would make the shareholders happy.....(you guys are either going to love that idea or hate it)

People just need to hear from him in some form....
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
We wont get a proxy...just Rufus talking and not walking...same old.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I hear ya Jenna... I am not fully in agreeance tho. I have no proof that John is working with the SEC. I have also seen recent comments that the Harvard School of Business has no contact witht the company right now, and they are the registered agent. If he is "are only hope" (sorry you misspelled "our" but I wanted to quote ya.) [Big Grin] we are as expected up the creek, minus anything that resembles a paddle.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
We wont get a proxy...just Rufus talking and not walking...same old.

Magic 8 ball say: Outlook does not look good. [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
My opinion is that this is almost over - good or bad, it's almost over....JMHO
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tax- you said: I have no proof that John is working with the SEC.

This is true.....I only say that because that is what I was told.....& we all know now that seeing is believing.....

Tax- do you still have access to Pacers?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
My opinion is that this is almost over - good or bad, it's almost over....JMHO

Would be nice if you're right...

by the way my Chiefs did not make the Superbowl but my Colts sure did! Go Colts!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
OOOH good for you TAX!!! I guess there are some advantages to having 2 teams!!!


By the way Vin - if you are out there Congrats to you also on your Bears going to the Big Game!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax- you said: I have no proof that John is working with the SEC.

This is true.....I only say that because that is what I was told.....& we all know now that seeing is believing.....

Tax- do you still have access to Pacers?

No they keep pulling my access... (don't know why... but I can usually sign up again and get in for a day or two. Do we know if there is anything new on there or is that what we are trying to figure out? If it is the case I will try and get in there again.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I don 't think anything yet....but Rufus said to check & a friend of mine got a PM saying to check this week but of course it could be bullcrack..... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
OOOH good for you TAX!!! I guess there are some advantages to having 2 teams!!!


By the way Vin - if you are out there Congrats to you also on your Bears going to the Big Game!!!

OT: Yeah but it would be better if they were one from each division... then they wouldn't meet up in the wild card games every year. HAHA!!

Imagine two teams in the Superbowl! I grew up on the West side of Indy, so the Colts kind of showed up about the right time. Never could put a team together until Peyton showed. I have spent a number of years since in and out of KC where I met my wife a HUGE Chiefs fan.

Nothing beats a KC tailgate in -20 degree weather. I remember one Steelers game a few years back where my cigar froze to my gloves, and I snuck an entire six pack into the stadium inside my ski coat. Two in each sleeve and two in the hood. I was so cold I was was not even gonna try and remove my ski mask to take a drink anyway so I basically snuck the beers out of the stadium in the third quarter. never touched a one.

Those are good times... Wish I was on my way to Miami. I guess that is another party I am missing I can blame on Bill Hicks and the SEC. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Oh Jenna, LOL

"bullcrack"? Too funny!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I don 't think anything yet....but Rufus said to check & a friend of mine got a PM saying to check this week but of course it could be bullcrack..... [Roll Eyes]

I'll keep my ears open if something is posted on Pacer I will join again and get my eyes on it. I heard Rufus say to watch it, but like others I am going to be skeptical until I see it.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
the last thing on pacer is 1-4-07
I just pulled the report.

I don't see anything of value as of now... Remind me again later and I will check again.


1:06-cv-02568-CC Securities and Exchange Commission v. Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation et al
Clarence Cooper, presiding
Date filed: 10/24/2006 Date of last filing: 01/03/2007


Filer Conversion Solutions Holding Corporation
Doc.
No. Event Name Filed
Clerk's Entry of Default 11/17/2006


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PACER Service Center
Transaction Receipt


01/24/2007 08:47:43
PACER Login: mo1361 Client Code:
Description: Filer List Search Criteria: 1:06-cv-02568-CC
Billable Pages: 1 Cost: 0.08


IN THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE NORTHERN DISTRICT OF GEORGIA
ATLANTA DIVISION JA ~ Q Q
Civil Action File
loo . 1 :06-CV-2568-CC
CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDING
CORPORATION and RUFUS PAUL HARRIS
a/k/a PAUL RUFUS HARRIS,
Defendants .
APPEARANCES
Sabra Dabbs
Benjamin Stanley
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION,
Plaintiff,
-vs-
~ N. 7' ~tq, Clerk
~ Transcript of the Motion for Temporary Restraining Order
Before the Honorable Clarence Cooper
October 25, 2006
Atlanta, Georgia
On behalf of the Plaintiff :
On behalf of the Defendant
Rufus Paul Harris :
Also Present :
Amanda Lohnaas, RMR, CRR
Official Court Reporter
United States District Court
Atlanta, Georgia
Alana R . Black, Esq .
William P . Hicks, Esq .
Debbie T . Hampton, Esq .
Rufus Paul Harris, Pro se
Case
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Thanks Surfer! Looks like we owe you .08 cents. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax- you said: I have no proof that John is working with the SEC.

This is true.....I only say that because that is what I was told.....& we all know now that seeing is believing.....

Tax- do you still have access to Pacers?


One thing we do know here ...... Rufus definitely did not do what the Judge told him to do. He also didn't do what we were told by him. Oh yes ....he came onto SPR and now he is considered the savior again by a lot of people. Very sad. People are grabbing for a "raft" because most of us have lost money. We have to choose the best of the 3. Tough choice? I don't think so.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Yes...he said he was getting tired of people ragging on him and hopped on to respond and now wished he did not. He said it was a mistake.

He was tired of being "ragged on" so he logged on to take a shot at Rufus "The False Prophet"??! What a hoot. He didnt "respond" to anything IMO.

Sorry St Matt, i know...dont shoot the messenger [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
I'll keep watching Pacer for the release that Rufus told us to watch for this week. How many of you are willing to "hold your breath"?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I don't think Rufus put a time limit on the Pacer thing - I think that was someone else....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
FWIW, I called a guy last week, before all the knowboat guys stuck their heads up on SPR and HSM. His name is Dave Perley. He told me that he was the financier for fronthaul, also that he put up the hummer for MA to use. He did'nt think a CEO should be driving an old chevy. His construction company generates over 40 million a year in revenue.
One thing that he emphasized to me is that they want Rufus and Ben to do time for various reasons. Selling into the run etc. I personally have to wonder how RPH 9 mil stock share went down to 7 mill and change having been restricted and all.
Dave Perley told me that he had just recently handed the money to JA to retain an attorney for the SEC litigation. Then he said that JA had not done anything with it yet, which seems strange, considering what I would think a little urgency would be in order. He said he'd have to get on him about it.
He said they were using someone elses bond to learn how they work. And would go for one of their own when they knew how to make it work.
He mentioned that words had been exchanged as to whether Ecowood woul be involved in a merger or joint venture, with no solid decision on that.
I just thought i'd mention this stuff. Than a day later MA came out on HSM and that night Rufus came out on SPR. So it's the same old guessing game about what is really going on.IMO
The only sure thing is that this is a real mess.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Cat ....PM
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
6- PM for you too!!! We have to share the love...
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Doc...PM
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
man...why can't I get a PM?

Doc? I don't think that Rufas put a time on the pacer stuff...Actually I think he might have said '2 weeks" and Simoan changed it to 2-4 weeks....I could be wrong...

Someone..needs to file something...JA? Rufas? MA? SEC? Hell maybe all of us shareholders should...
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
10...PM [Smile]
 
Posted by Doniboy on :
 
whats happening folks? Anything good???Please???
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
10...PM [Smile]

Now I feel special!
[Wink] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
man...why can't I get a PM?

Doc? I don't think that Rufas put a time on the pacer stuff...Actually I think he might have said '2 weeks" and Simoan changed it to 2-4 weeks....I could be wrong...

Someone..needs to file something...JA? Rufas? MA? SEC? Hell maybe all of us shareholders should...

Rufus put a time limit on the proxy not Pacer....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Doni- nothing's going on....but I think I would like it if John went on SPR & told us what was going on- what do you guys think?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So, can anyone call Dave Perley? Because id love to speak with him. How were you able to reach him?

Please PM me if you can help me with that

Those "7 million and change" shares Rufus is holding did catch my attention when he said it on SPR. Everyone knows he had 9 so its yet another red flag.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
This is what's going to happen....First it is this week......Then by the end of the month......Then February will be a BIG month.....Then by Spring we'll have something good.....Then by Mother's Day......If we listen to HSM ......this will happen when Rufus comes back on board. But wait ..... Mother's Day falls on a Sunday so we'll have to wait till Independence Day to get that big break .....Wait Rufus will get Ben to hook us up with Sabra to get us the info. She is good at that kind of stuff. But buy a lot more stock because this is going to explode. Lets get Rufus and his bunch back in. We can believe him. All this stuff that has happened never did happen. We imagined it all. The SEC is helping Webb get us. They like Webb and don't like Rufus. Thats the only reason we have problems. Rufus never ignored the Judge. That Alana Black hates Rufus and she justs wants to get him. Rufus never promised us certain things. Does any of this sound familiar? or similar? ........ Put Rufus and friends in charge of CSHD again? WHAT? Sometimes people allow things to happen that are unexplainable. This goes beyond explanation. Because he went on SPR and told some more stories. In doing that, he corralled some of his old fans into belief again.I am sorry people ....please don't get too upset with me, but; this goes beyond sanity. To put him back in charge begs the SEC to put an end to this for good. I can be wrong ....but ..... to me ...this appears to be one of the most foolish things I have ever seen in the Investment business. We all want what Is best for CSHD .... I guess we are looking at different routes to get there. I have decided to stick with the newest highway, hoping to get co-operation with the SEC along the way. Everyone here has a right to take what ever route the want to ....... Hopefully we all get to our desired destination. [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Doc, we could go round and round and round eh?

Tell me when the "Cobra will strike blinding its victims as we all walk through the gates of victory" and im sure we will all be rich!

Oh, and how many times did "Tut" say "Something big is going to happen today" or "You will all be surprised when you discover who i am".

For what its worth, Rufus's recent SPR interview is NOT what has me posting again. What has me posting and "digging" again was that people are saying Bodi aka Mike Alexander has now admitted CEOTA never existed. You all want someone to blame? Find out who "created" CEOTA. So far my only leads stop right at Mike Alexander....and possibly Randy Moseley. I bought into FHAL because of the log deal through CEOTA, which now appears to be fake. If CVSU hadnt come along this would have been dumped as a scam back in July by the looks of it. THIS is the reason I feel Rufus was left holding a bag.....unless Rufus was behind CEOTA.

Oh, and if CEOTA was fake then someone please try to convince me Ecowood is real. Which makes your conversation with Dave Perley more interesting IMO 6digits.

Follow all of that? [Smile]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
please don't get too upset with me, but; this goes beyond sanity

hey doc, welcome to the penny markets... this was beyond sanity in July last.... [Wink]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Doc states:
"Hopefully we all get to our desired destination."

That is the bottom line and goal!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Oh, and after reading that i didnt mean to direct that post at you Doc. I just meant we both have completely opposite thought processes taking place right now, which is fine obviously. [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
So, can anyone call Dave Perley? Because id love to speak with him. How were you able to reach him?

Please PM me if you can help me with that

Those "7 million and change" shares Rufus is holding did catch my attention when he said it on SPR. Everyone knows he had 9 so its yet another red flag.

Just going by memory here but I recalled that Sabra was the one that had 9M shares. Both Ben and Rufus had 7.5M shares. I remember us all discussing this because all of a sudden Sabra somehow ended up with more shares than anyone else.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Cat ..... Glassman ....... I agree. First of all concerning Mike A. He lied to us about CEOTA. Hello ..... He is no good.
I can add one more thing here....If I was John A. ...I would quit his position so fast heads would fall. I believe that he was the only one that had nothing to gain except the shares he BOUGHT. I wouldn't worry too much about it though. I wouldn't be surprised if JA told us all to "shove it". As you both know ..... I want all of us to do OK here ..... this is getting to be a bigger and bigger joke. [Smile]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
I am sorry people ....please don't get too upset with me, but; this goes beyond sanity. To put him back in charge begs the SEC to put an end to this for good. I can be wrong ....but ..... to me ...this appears to be one of the most foolish things I have ever seen in the Investment business.

The only thing more foolish would be putting an annonomous major shareholder without restricted shares in charge. I wonder sometimes where Tut bought in... was it $0.04 or $4??? What would I want most if I had a large sum of unrestricted shares at bargain basement price? I think a market place to trade them would be my first priority. Everything else would be second.

What do you think is the best long term plan for the company? Honestly. If we get relisted quickly and all the entire board is unrestricted investors who finally have an MM to hand hold their large trades... What is the motivation to carry out any business plan?

I personally would rather risk recievership than sub penny OTC trading with no communication or visibility into the company. [Cool]

Not saying that either evil is great... Just looking for the lesser of two.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
By the way this security has gone so far beyond "foolish"... we are deep into "absurd" at this point.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Cat ..... Glassman ....... I agree. First of all concerning Mike A. He lied to us about CEOTA. Hello ..... He is no good.
I can add one more thing here....If I was John A. ...I would quit his position so fast heads would fall. I believe that he was the only one that had nothing to gain except the shares he BOUGHT. I wouldn't worry too much about it though. I wouldn't be surprised if JA told us all to "shove it". As you both know ..... I want all of us to do OK here ..... this is getting to be a bigger and bigger joke. [Smile]

the infamous "log deal" ? i agree, as i stated many months ago? that deal was farcical... do some research here, and see who was pumping it? LOL..

the naked short issue was set up during that..
whoever sold short into that farce got caught by the announcement of the merger.... who was it that was doing the toxic lending to Alexander? look in that direction.... [Wink]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Tax and all the rest of you ..... I respect all of your opinions. If you were asked to help choose someone to run the company, who would you choose? If you were asked advice .... what would you suggest? In other words ..... what direction or route should we be taking to get us back to a situation that is workable? This will probably be very interesting reading. We have people that all want and have the same goal but, our direction will probably be different. [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Cat ..... Glassman ....... I agree. First of all concerning Mike A. He lied to us about CEOTA. Hello ..... He is no good.
I can add one more thing here....If I was John A. ...I would quit his position so fast heads would fall. I believe that he was the only one that had nothing to gain except the shares he BOUGHT. I wouldn't worry too much about it though. I wouldn't be surprised if JA told us all to "shove it". As you both know ..... I want all of us to do OK here ..... this is getting to be a bigger and bigger joke. [Smile]

the infamous "log deal" ? i agree, as i stated many months ago? that deal was farcical... do some research here, and see who was pumping it? LOL..

the naked short issue was set up during that..
whoever sold short into that farce got caught by the announcement of the merger.... who was it that was doing the toxic lending to Alexander? look in that direction.... [Wink]

Great point Glassman and also very interesting. [Smile]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I also wonder where m n 1 sits in all of this and how much Alexander was in with them. m n 1 put out that great stock analysis on FHAL and had Mike and his people (including the CEOTA guy) on a couple of times. What got me was the great stock analysis showing all kinds of good stuff and then in comes CSHD using FHAL as a bankrupt shell! I'm pretty sure m n 1 was on the short side...just from their actions.

I sure hope things come out on everything. Hopefully the FBI and SEC can figure this one out for us. I remember not trusting the SEC before, but now I'm leaning toward them being our only means of truth.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
hopefully they jail all invovled so we could put a lid on cshd forever
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
I think that you will find out fairly soon who is charged by the FBI and SEC for Security fraud. I also think that our company is far from being finished. I believe that CSHD will eventually come out of this with quite a few scars, but there is going to be a hero in all of this. We need to support him. I HOPE THAT I AM RIGHT. This is more than just an opinion .....just a little tiny bit more. [Wink]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
hopefully they jail all invovled so we could put a lid on cshd forever

.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I also wonder where m n 1 sits in all of this and how much Alexander was in with them. m n 1 put out that great stock analysis on FHAL and had Mike and his people (including the CEOTA guy) on a couple of times. What got me was the great stock analysis showing all kinds of good stuff and then in comes CSHD using FHAL as a bankrupt shell! I'm pretty sure m n 1 was on the short side...just from their actions.

I sure hope things come out on everything. Hopefully the FBI and SEC can figure this one out for us. I remember not trusting the SEC before, but now I'm leaning toward them being our only means of truth.

Very good point. They aren't as evil as every one thought.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Tax and all the rest of you ..... I respect all of your opinions. If you were asked to help choose someone to run the company, who would you choose? If you were asked advice .... what would you suggest? In other words ..... what direction or route should we be taking to get us back to a situation that is workable? This will probably be very interesting reading. We have people that all want and have the same goal but, our direction will probably be different. [Smile]

It's easier to say who we don't want running the company. IMO. that would be anyone who has been involved from Mike Alexander to Rufus to King TUT JA. Not one of them have looked after our best interests. They all seem to be more worried about the genreal preceptions of them than actually doing the job.

Warren Buffet comes to mind as someone I'd like to see run the company. HeHe.

In reality no one associated with CSHD/FHAL has prodcued. Yes we had the huge run under Rufus but we also have the suspension and delisting. If this company has a chance it will only be through new blood who can distance themselves from the current fiasco and make decisions based upon moving forward and not look back to cover their tracks.

JMHO>
Wally
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Tax and all the rest of you ..... I respect all of your opinions. If you were asked to help choose someone to run the company, who would you choose? If you were asked advice .... what would you suggest? In other words ..... what direction or route should we be taking to get us back to a situation that is workable? This will probably be very interesting reading. We have people that all want and have the same goal but, our direction will probably be different. [Smile]

It's easier to say who we don't want running the company. IMO. that would be anyone who has been involved from Mike Alexander to Rufus to King TUT JA. Not one of them have looked after our best interests. They all seem to be more worried about the genreal preceptions of them than actually doing the job.

Warren Buffet comes to mind as someone I'd like to see run the company. HeHe.

In reality no one associated with CSHD/FHAL has prodcued. Yes we had the huge run under Rufus but we also have the suspension and delisting. If this company has a chance it will only be through new blood who can distance themselves from the current fiasco and make decisions based upon moving forward and not look back to cover their tracks.

JMHO>
Wally

Theres not likely to be anyone that wants to get involved in this fiasco, unless theyre really not in it for any kind of compensation and they're really bored lol.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Tax and all the rest of you ..... I respect all of your opinions. If you were asked to help choose someone to run the company, who would you choose? If you were asked advice .... what would you suggest? In other words ..... what direction or route should we be taking to get us back to a situation that is workable? This will probably be very interesting reading. We have people that all want and have the same goal but, our direction will probably be different. [Smile]

It's easier to say who we don't want running the company. IMO. that would be anyone who has been involved from Mike Alexander to Rufus to King TUT JA. Not one of them have looked after our best interests. They all seem to be more worried about the genreal preceptions of them than actually doing the job.

Warren Buffet comes to mind as someone I'd like to see run the company. HeHe.

In reality no one associated with CSHD/FHAL has prodcued. Yes we had the huge run under Rufus but we also have the suspension and delisting. If this company has a chance it will only be through new blood who can distance themselves from the current fiasco and make decisions based upon moving forward and not look back to cover their tracks.

JMHO>
Wally

Great job Wally ...Who wouldn't want Warren? Just one thing to add to your great post .... I would like to give our current guy a couple of more weeks to complete a few things and also give the SEC and FBI a little more time to release info on what they are working on and what they have found. [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I think we all will be thanking John in the end...I really do.....I think behind the scenes he is getting things done but won't PR it until it is totally through....because he probably feels that we have been through enough....

I have a feeling we will hear from him soon.... [Wink]

THIS IS ONLY MY OPINION!!!!
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Igor ....Great job.....I wouldn't even consider taking the job. Take that statement as Gospel ..... [Wink] [Wink]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Tax and all the rest of you ..... I respect all of your opinions. If you were asked to help choose someone to run the company, who would you choose? If you were asked advice .... what would you suggest? In other words ..... what direction or route should we be taking to get us back to a situation that is workable? This will probably be very interesting reading. We have people that all want and have the same goal but, our direction will probably be different. [Smile]

Rufus Paul Harris... sorry if that was not as interesting as you were expecting. (or maybe it is.)

As for the advice... here are five.
1. "watch out for false prophets."
2. Don't listen to anyone posting on a stock message board when trying to make a decision of whether to buy or sell a security.
3. As far as CSHD carefully watch the current positioning that is going on.
4. Never trust someone who wants to help you watch your money.
5. Always protect your capital.

GLTA
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
OOOH Tax -wrong answer- you have just given the company to the SEC.... [Wink] [Eek!] [Wink]


Just my opinion- love you Tax... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Tax and all the rest of you ..... I respect all of your opinions. If you were asked to help choose someone to run the company, who would you choose? If you were asked advice .... what would you suggest? In other words ..... what direction or route should we be taking to get us back to a situation that is workable? This will probably be very interesting reading. We have people that all want and have the same goal but, our direction will probably be different. [Smile]

Rufus Paul Harris... sorry if that was not as interesting as you were expecting. (or maybe it is.)

As for the advice... here are five.
1. "watch out for false prophets."
2. Don't listen to anyone posting on a stock message board when trying to make a decision of whether to buy or sell a security.
3. As far as CSHD carefully watch the current positioning that is going on.
4. Never trust someone who wants to help you watch your money.
5. Always protect your capital.

GLTA

No Tax I find that very interesting. Remember what I said about different routes that we might take to get to the same destination.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
OOOH Tax -wrong answer- you have just given the company to the SEC.... [Wink] [Eek!] [Wink]


Just my opinion- love you Tax... [Big Grin]

Love ya back. Just a different perspective... I hope you and your dad are right.

Personally I think we will all be cursing John very soon... but that is just my opinion.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
OOOH Tax -wrong answer- you have just given the company to the SEC.... [Wink] [Eek!] [Wink]


Just my opinion- love you Tax... [Big Grin]

By the way, I'm not implying that Rufus is a bad person.....I'm just saying that the SEC doesn't not want him running the company....
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Tax and all the rest of you ..... I respect all of your opinions. If you were asked to help choose someone to run the company, who would you choose? If you were asked advice .... what would you suggest? In other words ..... what direction or route should we be taking to get us back to a situation that is workable? This will probably be very interesting reading. We have people that all want and have the same goal but, our direction will probably be different. [Smile]

Rufus Paul Harris... sorry if that was not as interesting as you were expecting. (or maybe it is.)

As for the advice... here are five.
1. "watch out for false prophets."
2. Don't listen to anyone posting on a stock message board when trying to make a decision of whether to buy or sell a security.
3. As far as CSHD carefully watch the current positioning that is going on.
4. Never trust someone who wants to help you watch your money.
5. Always protect your capital.

GLTA

Tax ....I forgot to add this ..... [Smile]

#1 Your first two I see as and remember Rufus predicting $15

#2 Rufus telling you and me to buy the crap out of it.

I'm just kidding with ya. You know I respect you and your opinions. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tax- this is funny... [Big Grin] I think it's kinda funny that it's become the SuperBowl of CEO's Rufus vs. John.....who will win???

...at least we can all get along even though we are rooting for opposite teams..... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
If those of you are correct about Rufus (and he leads us to a success story)...I will publicly apologize to all of you for being so foolish not to trust him. However I can't help but dream and hope that you find yourselves in that position that I just described. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax- this is funny... [Big Grin] I think it's kinda funny that it's become the SuperBowl of CEO's Rufus vs. John.....who will win???

...at least we can all get along even though we are rooting for opposite teams..... [Big Grin]

Jenna ....We are all on the same team. We just have different game plans. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
If those of you are correct about Rufus (and he leads us to a success story)...I will publicly apologize to all of you for being so foolish not to trust him. However I can't help but dream and hope that you find yourselves in that position that I just described. [Big Grin]

I would apologize too doc - but I too hope that it's my opposition are the ones apologizing. HeHe...I don't like being wrong but I'm big enough to admit when I am.....(please no fat jokes).... [Eek!]

I just hope we all win in the end....& can have a good laugh in Vegas together! [Cool]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
If those of you are correct about Rufus (and he leads us to a success story)...I will publicly apologize to all of you for being so foolish not to trust him. However I can't help but dream and hope that you find yourselves in that position that I just described. [Big Grin]

Nothing foolish about not trusting him. I don't but I trust John even less. I seem to remember his posts concerning New World Orders, Illuminati, etc. I also remember him touting the DD that he and his group had done and how we were standing at the gates of victory.

I trust none of them.

As far as the SEC and FBI reporting, it could be months and even years before that is issued.

I believe most here are looking for a quick fix that will help lessen the blow financially.

As I've said before time will tell.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
If the SEC really doesn't want Rufus being our CEO, then I'm back to not trusting the SEC [Big Grin] .

At this point, its going to come down to who acts first...Rufus reaching out to us, John fixing things and getting on with it, or the SEC clearing CSHD or closing CSHD. I think we all just want SOMETHING TO HAPPEN!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
If the SEC really doesn't want Rufus being our CEO, then I'm back to not trusting the SEC [Big Grin] .

At this point, its going to come down to who acts first...Rufus reaching out to us, John fixing things and getting on with it, or the SEC clearing CSHD or closing CSHD. I think we all just want SOMETHING TO HAPPEN!

It really comes down to who actually has the authority to act on behalf of the company. That portion of the equaion is still in doubt.

Is it Rufus or is it Tut?

We really don't know.

Posting during the day today because nothing going on with my other stocks at this time. Usually watch them and post here at night when the market is closed. God, I'm bored.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
If the SEC really doesn't want Rufus being our CEO, then I'm back to not trusting the SEC [Big Grin] .

At this point, its going to come down to who acts first...Rufus reaching out to us, John fixing things and getting on with it, or the SEC clearing CSHD or closing CSHD. I think we all just want SOMETHING TO HAPPEN!

I am agreeing with you on both comments.

Honestly, I still do not trust the particular members of the SEC that are involved. IMO they could have handled this better.

They really looked sloppy in the beginning, and if their goal was to shut down this company, they have done a lousy job of it so far. Like trying kill a bear by using too small of a gun, and shooting them in the A$$! It just makes things alot worse, even though the infection could eventually do the job. [Frown]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Doc,
My answer would be none of the above.

1.RPH-If he is to be believed,that he thinks he should step away so CSHD can move on with out the sec breathing down our necks.{not his exact quote}

2.Tut, who has proven nothing to us so far{after weeks} and then posts on HSM again.

I will wait for the outcome with the rest of you,but you all know I trust Rufus more. As Jenna stated, we have the right to this.

As far as the Sec. I think they rushed into this and should have waited until they had proof if there was any. Remember Rufus tried to get this halted, but was denied.

I don't know who should run this soap opera , if Rufus is right about stepping aside. Is he the CEO? Is tut the CEO?
Too many questions and NO answers .
I trust no one right now. Where the hill is the so called SHC? If that's not a joke I'll apologize to them.
Your topic could start a lot of posts DOC, but as long as everyone stays calm, this could be interesting [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
If the SEC really doesn't want Rufus being our CEO, then I'm back to not trusting the SEC [Big Grin] .

At this point, its going to come down to who acts first...Rufus reaching out to us, John fixing things and getting on with it, or the SEC clearing CSHD or closing CSHD. I think we all just want SOMETHING TO HAPPEN!

I am agreeing with you on both comments.

Honestly, I still do not trust the particular members of the SEC that are involved. IMO they could have handled this better.

They really looked sloppy in the beginning, and if their goal was to shut down this company, they have done a lousy job of it so far. Like trying kill a bear by using too small of a gun, and shooting them in the A$$! It just makes things alot worse, even though the infection could eventually do the job. [Frown]

While I don't think the SEC did a good job at the beginning,I don't think that the SEC, in any way; wants to shut us down. I think that they don't want Rufus to have anything to do with the company. They see him as an "unprofessional arrogant person" who is being investigated for several reasons involving our company. When the CEO of a company acts the way that Rufus did (Some things being pumping while being the CEO and telling everyone that the price will be $15 on the radio), they react. They aren't as evil as every one thought. He invited the problems that we face today. Just a note here......The FBI can't take computers and filings from company offices without probable cause. A judge has to OK it and he has to be showed a good reason why they should be allowed to take this information.
[Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Doc,
My answer would be none of the above.

1.RPH-If he is to be believed,that he thinks he should step away so CSDH can move on with out the sec breathing down our necks.{not his exact quote}

2.Tut, who has proven nothing to us so far{after weeks} and then posts on HSM again.

I will wait for the outcome with the rest of you,but you all know I trust Rufus more. As Jenna stated, we have the right to this.

As far as the Sec. I think they rushed into this and should have waited until they had proof if there was any. Remember Rufus tried to get this halted, but was denied.

I don't know who should run this soap opera , if Rufus is right about stepping aside. Is he the CEO? Is tut the CEO?
Too many questions and NO answers .
I trust no one right now. Where the hill is the so called SHC? If that's not a joke I'll apologize to them.
Your topic could start a lot of posts DOC, but as long as everyone stays calm, this could be interesting [Smile]

Thanks Ocqueoc .... I love your posts. Forget about the SHC. Portman was one of us and now he can't be found. Very disappointing. I saw a couple of his posts on HSM . He must have forgot who we are. I think that the SHC is a major disappointment to me. [Smile]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Cat ....PM
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
If the SEC really doesn't want Rufus being our CEO, then I'm back to not trusting the SEC [Big Grin] .

At this point, its going to come down to who acts first...Rufus reaching out to us, John fixing things and getting on with it, or the SEC clearing CSHD or closing CSHD. I think we all just want SOMETHING TO HAPPEN!

I am agreeing with you on both comments.

Honestly, I still do not trust the particular members of the SEC that are involved. IMO they could have handled this better.

They really looked sloppy in the beginning, and if their goal was to shut down this company, they have done a lousy job of it so far. Like trying kill a bear by using too small of a gun, and shooting them in the A$$! It just makes things alot worse, even though the infection could eventually do the job. [Frown]

While I don't think the SEC did a good job at the beginning,I don't think that the SEC, in any way; wants to shut us down. I think that they don't want Rufus to have anything to do with the company. They see him as an "unprofessional arrogant person" who is being investigated for several reasons involving our company. When the CEO of a company acts the way that Rufus did (Some things being pumping while being the CEO and telling everyone that the price will be $15 on the radio), they react. They aren't as evil as every one thought. He invited the problems that we face today. Just a note here......The FBI can't take computers and filings from company offices without probable cause. A judge has to OK it and he has to be showed a good reason why they should be allowed to take this information.
[Smile]

Doc, I hear you and may even feel what you are saying but in my experience the SEC never acts as fast as they did here. You have to remember that the whole merger between FHAL and CVSU only started in July. By October 3 months later the SEC had already conducted an investion and taken the company to court. The announcement of the merger was on July 12th the SEC suspension was on October 24th. Such swift action from the SEC that allows other obvious frauds to trade for years without taking action and who normally states that they will not comment on ongoing investigations. But we have Alana and Bill willing to talk to shareholders at length about the current investigation. I don't know but something really really smells to high heaven here and it may not be Rufus.

Please I would like someone to help me here and finad where the SEC has ever taken action as swiftly as they did here? Is it at all posible that he found a way to expose what no one wanted exposed? Could he be upsetting the status quo and the ability of the true moneymakers in the market of their livelihood?

I don't have the answer to those questions, I'm hoping someone else does.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Wally states:

"Please I would like someone to help me here and finad where the SEC has ever taken action as swiftly as they did here? Is it at all posible that he found a way to expose what no one wanted exposed? Could he be upsetting the status quo and the ability of the true moneymakers in the market of their livelihood?

I don't have the answer to those questions, I'm hoping someone else does."

This is where my thoughts have been for quite some time...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Wallymac, I seem to have mislocated Dave Perleys ph#. If I find it you can have it.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally states:

"Please I would like someone to help me here and finad where the SEC has ever taken action as swiftly as they did here? Is it at all posible that he found a way to expose what no one wanted exposed? Could he be upsetting the status quo and the ability of the true moneymakers in the market of their livelihood?

I don't have the answer to those questions, I'm hoping someone else does."

This is where my thoughts have been for quite some time...

Color us clueless. LOL

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Cat, ithink I mean this for you.
I seem to have mislocated Dave Perleys ph#. If I find it you can have it.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Wallymac, I seem to have mislocated Dave Perleys ph#. If I find it you can have it.

I will ask this question again. Who is Dave Perley and how does he figure into the whole scenario?

I remember us doing a lot of DD here months ago. Glassman, 10 of 13, Betting Babe, Bilgert, Cat, Dog and many many more but for the life of me I don't remember Dave Perley. How is it that he is now such a big player? Unless he is associated with AJ Offshore.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Dave Perley is the money behind MA apparently. Bought fronthauls trucks and the hummer etc. I thought I said that. Otherwise he's just one of the knowboat guys that are with JA.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Wallymac, I seem to have mislocated Dave Perleys ph#. If I find it you can have it.

I will ask this question again. Who is Dave Perley and how does he figure into the whole scenario?

I remember us doing a lot of DD here months ago. Glassman, 10 of 13, Betting Babe, Bilgert, Cat, Dog and many many more but for the life of me I don't remember Dave Perley. How is it that he is now such a big player? Unless he is associated with AJ Offshore.

GLTA
Wally

Wally,
I remember the name, but not who he is. I'm going to try and go back and see if I can find anything. Do we really know if he is a big player?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Wallymac, I seem to have mislocated Dave Perleys ph#. If I find it you can have it.

I will ask this question again. Who is Dave Perley and how does he figure into the whole scenario?

I remember us doing a lot of DD here months ago. Glassman, 10 of 13, Betting Babe, Bilgert, Cat, Dog and many many more but for the life of me I don't remember Dave Perley. How is it that he is now such a big player? Unless he is associated with AJ Offshore.

GLTA
Wally

Wally,
I remember the name, but not who he is. I'm going to try and go back and see if I can find anything. Do we really know if he is a big player?

Apparently. He was providing Mike with a lifestyle. I wonder why? IMO, if a CEO wants to drive a hugo let him. CEO's and expensive cars get me nervous. Or am I just paranoid? Better ask my therapist and see if I need medication for that. LOL.

When is the last time anyone has checked the Secretary of State in Delaware to see who the officers of this company is?

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
PR!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=207176
 
Posted by bigstocks on :
 
News.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
CEO to Leave for Frankfurt, Germany to Negotiate Potential Acquisition and Secure New Funding for Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. (OTCBB: CSHD) CEO John L. Arlitt will fly to Frankfurt, Germany to negotiate a potential new acquisition that has developed a new anti-terrorism technology which can detect and identify any unusual surface manipulations over large and strategic areas which can be targets for terrorist activities. CEO John L. Arlitt will also be in negotiations to secure additional funding based on debt financing to lessen any further dilution of the company stock. "It is my goal to clear up all regulatory concerns, bring the company into good standing with all regulatory authorities, bring the company filings up to date, and turn the company in a new and profitable direction with potentially profitable acquisitions and or mergers. I believe we can be successful in moving the company in a positive direction by following an aggressive acquisition strategy and initiating new funding strategies," stated CEO, John Arlitt. This could be a positive turning point for Conversion Solutions and build shareholder value.

About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at http://www.cvsu.us/.

Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. Safe Harbor Statement

Information provided in this press release may contain statements relating to current expectations, estimates, forecasts and projections about future events that are "forward-looking statements" as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. These forward-looking statements generally relate to the company's plans, objectives and expectations for future operations and are based upon management's current estimates and projections of future results or trends. Actual future results may differ materially from those projected as a result of certain risks and uncertainties. These forward-looking statements are made only as of the date hereof, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.


Source: Market Wire (January 24, 2007 - 5:18 PM EST)

News by QuoteMedia
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Posted by wallymac on :
 
Sorry if I am not buoyed by this announcement but months ago Rufus spoke on SPR about the fact that CSHD was trading on the Frankfurt excahnge when the mangement of CSHD never knew anything about it. Is it a coincidence that John Arlitt, a German citizen is going to FRANKFURT?

HMM I wonder?

Could be completely off base here but it doesn make me think.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Rufus just posted on H S M that he is going to be on SPR tonight.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
While I don't think the SEC did a good job at the beginning,I don't think that the SEC, in any way; wants to shut us down. I think that they don't want Rufus to have anything to do with the company. They see him as an "unprofessional arrogant person" who is being investigated for several reasons involving our company. When the CEO of a company acts the way that Rufus did (Some things being pumping while being the CEO and telling everyone that the price will be $15 on the radio), they react. They aren't as evil as every one thought. He invited the problems that we face today. Just a note here......The FBI can't take computers and filings from company offices without probable cause. A judge has to OK it and he has to be showed a good reason why they should be allowed to take this information.
[Smile]

This Doc is where I agree to disagree. As other pointed out the SEC moved way to fast here. They were reckless, no matter how reckless Rufus was at the time. Additionally, the SEC does not attack a CEO because they are an "unprofessional arrogant person". If they did that I could point out several CEO's all over the big boards including my boss's boss's boss's boss. (He is an out right jerk.)

Did Rufus invite problems? sure. Did he do it on purpose? possibly. Does it make him smart or dumb? From our perspective I say dumb, but I am clarifying that "our perspective" does not mean "full picture" view of the situation.

Fact is the SEC may NOT be more "evil" than anyone could ever imagine, but even then we would never know it. I just find it interesting that Rufus recognized the SEC Plaintiff Bill Hicks and another person in the room from BBAN days. BBAN was not even in the same state as CSHD but for some reason the Atlanta SEC enforcement division has them on their team for this one.

As for the FBI... uuuh Yes I am sure based on current Homeland Security laws they very well can just go into any American company or home and take computers and files at will. (That is the problem with the current 9/11 legislation.) But totally aside from that... I do think in this case the default judgement and the judges grant of the extended investigation would definitely count as cause.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
This is completely out of the blue.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Wallymac, I seem to have mislocated Dave Perleys ph#. If I find it you can have it.

I will ask this question again. Who is Dave Perley and how does he figure into the whole scenario?

I remember us doing a lot of DD here months ago. Glassman, 10 of 13, Betting Babe, Bilgert, Cat, Dog and many many more but for the life of me I don't remember Dave Perley. How is it that he is now such a big player? Unless he is associated with AJ Offshore.

GLTA
Wally

Dave Perley apparently took care of the financing for FHAL. I spoke with a Fronthaul shareholder that bought his shares directly from Perley before they became public. I understood this as being the "start up" money for the company and several other "locals" bought their FHAL shares in this way. These shares were purchased before Fronthaul reverse merged into Furia. I guess Dave owns some sort of construction company in California and James Gee worked for him at one time. I was also told that the pictures of the facility in Lake Dallas that someone had posted on the internet is owned by Dave Perley. I BELIEVE that the facility in the pictures was at the address that Ecowood was supposed to be connected to.

Keep in mind a lot of this is from memory and/or "he said she said" sources but i believe this is the story on Dave Perley
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Color us clueless. LOL

GLTA
Wally

With this PR and RPH possibly going on SPR tonight? I think that "we" may become even more "colorful"...
[Confused] [Roll Eyes] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Buy the crap out of it !!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I WILL not be listening to SPR. I choose not to.


Thanks John.....

We wanted him to talk, well, here it is:

"It is my goal to clear up all regulatory concerns, bring the company into good standing with all regulatory authorities, bring the company filings up to date, and turn the company in a new and profitable direction with potentially profitable acquisitions and or mergers. I believe we can be successful in moving the company in a positive direction by following an aggressive acquisition strategy and initiating new funding strategies," stated CEO, John Arlitt. This could be a positive turning point for Conversion Solutions and build shareholder value.

************************************************

Sounds like he found a JV & funding....looks like he is working to clear everything up with the SEC, & working on the filings. This also was called "a turning point for Conversion Solutions."

SOUNDS GREAT TO ME!!!! But I'm sure there will be a handful of people that will still complain, especially after they listen to SPR tonight. Gee, I wonder what people can say John's agenda is now...HHHMMM...to make sure his investment makes money?...that sounds like a great agenda...

Looks like John HAS been busy....I'm sure this aquisition didn't happen overnight...I'm sure it took time to put it together.....

GO CSHD, GO JA, GO SHAREHOLDERS!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Where is the LOI? Are we still too early for a LOI and if so would that not be a little reckless to PR?

So in answer...Yes... I am still skeptical and I haven't even heard SPR yet. I hope he "comes back" with a deal, cause as the PR points out the Man is leaving the country.

Sorry, but I already followed one CEO of CSHD blindly, I am going to have to see more. But your confidence is a bit refreshing Jenna.
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Is this a sign? I stopped at the grocery store on my way home from work tonight and they had a bunch of flyers for "Tutankhamen" (or however you spell it), a new exhibit at the Franklin Institute (A museum in Philly for those of you who've never heard of it.)
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
You guys, think about it, if you were leaving the country to take off or cash in your shares from the German Market (as Wally suggested) WHY WOULD YOU PR IT????????????????? Would you let everyone know you were leaving???? Also, he said he would put out a PR unless it was solid...this doesn't seem like fluff to me...if he comes home empty handed, he knows that would be bad...I'm pretty sure the deal is "in the bag" just maybe needs to work out details....

Tax, you may find, this will be one of many to come.... [Wink]


This is not directed at anyone specific, but, for some of you, I'm not sure John could do anything to make you happy with him....it's very sad especially considering all the time these investors like you & me are putting into this....These people have families, have had deaths in their families, & still are putting in more hours into this then we could imagine...I think we owe a little gratitude to some of them..... [Wink]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
that is a sign... or do they call that a print ad? I think it would have had to be in poster format for it to be a sign. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
PC- that's a sign!!!! I believe in signs....

There was a show I DVRed on TV (I haven't watched it yet)

It's called:

King Tut- His Final Secrets....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
didn't they say that MA was heading overseas when he took over also? he was going there to draw on the bonds..wasn't it?

I would have thought that it would be a good idea to get the SEC stuff cleaned up and out of the way BEFORE attempting to do business as usual

I mean...If a company contacted me saying hey we can "fund you"..But when i check into the company they are being investigated for fraud...i would have to tell that company to get back to me when that is all cleaned up....BUT what do I know...I'm just a lil ole penny trader
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I think it is because the CSHD trust bar has been raised pretty darn high here. Someone had better call JP1 cause I don't know if Tut has what it takes to walk on water.

Watching all the "know boats" sink has not been much fun.
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
What time is rufus supposed to be on SPR?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
didn't they say that MA was heading overseas when he took over also? he was going there to draw on the bonds..wasn't it?

I would have thought that it would be a good idea to get the SEC stuff cleaned up and out of the way BEFORE attempting to do business as usual

I mean...If a company contacted me saying hey we can "fund you"..But when i check into the company they are being investigated for fraud...i would have to tell that company to get back to me when that is all cleaned up....BUT what do I know...I'm just a lil ole penny trader

10, in my opinion this is what's going on....

He is cleaning this up with the SEC by going to Germany & getting this aquisition & funding BECAUSE he is getting alternative funding....In other words he is finding funding OTHER than the bonds, leaving the bonds out completely, then he can do new filings, which clears things up with the SEC. Then when things are cleared up with the SEC the MM's can sign up to quote it......So in my opinion this is the start of a NEW BEGINING...but of course this is just my take on things.....

As far as him getting funding during a SEC investigation.....when I spoke with him he said that was the hard part because he was upfront & told them of the investigation.....so I'm sure he told these people.....makes you wonder if the company offering the funding spoke with the SEC & the SEC gave it the stamp of approval....who knows.....but I do think that this is just the begining!!!
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
LOL
Jenna

After 8 months in this your saying this is just the begining!!!! [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

No more please i submit can i have my money back please??? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
fhalyess- yeah maybe I used the wrong words.....a new begining???? a fresh start????

don't know.....

as far as getting your money back.....you just might!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
What time is rufus supposed to be on SPR?

after he finishes his beer....

(sorry I couldn't resist *Hi Rufus*)
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Color us clueless. LOL

GLTA
Wally

With this PR and RPH possibly going on SPR tonight? I think that "we" may become even more "colorful"...
[Confused] [Roll Eyes] [Big Grin]

LOL. I wouldn't doubt it. I will Pm Simon with a question for Rufus. I want to know, according to the state of Delaware, where the company is incorporated, who are the offical officers of the company?

Might be interesting to find out.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I'm out of here...........
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
You guys, think about it, if you were leaving the country to take off or cash in your shares from the German Market (as Wally suggested) WHY WOULD YOU PR IT????????????????? Would you let everyone know you were leaving???? Also, he said he would put out a PR unless it was solid...this doesn't seem like fluff to me...if he comes home empty handed, he knows that would be bad...I'm pretty sure the deal is "in the bag" just maybe needs to work out details....

Tax, you may find, this will be one of many to come.... [Wink]


This is not directed at anyone specific, but, for some of you, I'm not sure John could do anything to make you happy with him....it's very sad especially considering all the time these investors like you & me are putting into this....These people have families, have had deaths in their families, & still are putting in more hours into this then we could imagine...I think we owe a little gratitude to some of them..... [Wink]

Actually, I wasn't even think of him cashing in his shares at this time. The thought never even crossed my mind. What I was referring to was the trading that was going on on the Frankfurt Exchange prior to the suspension. Just that I found it an odd coincidence that John would be going to Frankfurt to get financing and a possible JV. I just don't like coincidences.

I was under the impression that John lived in Canada. So IMO, he is already out of the country. DO I TRUST JOHN? Heck NO.

Will I believe everything that comes out of Rufus's mouth on SPR tonight. A resounding HECK NO. I don't trust any of them. They all have a part in the situation we find ourselves in.

Jenna, I'm happy that you have such faith in JA. Hopefully it is comforting to you. But for myself, I don't see where he has done anything and until he is able to produce something tangible, I don't believe him.

I stated last year that it would more than likely take 6 months for anything to happen, I've changed my mind, looking at the current circumstances it could be late this year or even next year.

By the way, I don't put all the blame on John. I do believe he deserves to should a portion of the blame. My guess is that it has much more to do with Mike Alexander, Dave Perely and the Toxic financing that happened under Furia and FHAL.

GLTA
Wally

GK
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:


By the way, I don't put all the blame on John. I do believe he deserves to should a portion of the blame. My guess is that it has much more to do with Mike Alexander, Dave Perely and the Toxic financing that happened under Furia and FHAL.

GLTA
Wally

GK [/QB]

I can wrap my mind around that..........
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I think it would be a very wise decision for everyone involved to keep an open mind about the entire scenario and especially those involved until you have solid factual information to back it up. The truth will come out eventually…that’s for sure. There will be a lot of crow served for dinner one day soon. As far as I have seen, there is not one shred of evidence that John Arlitt has done anything wrong in this deal.

The SEC must have given its approval of the SHC removal of Rufus and the resulting appointment of John as CEO. I know we don’t have hard proof of this, but you have to consider two things …if they did not approve, wouldn’t the SEC have stepped in immediately saying it was done illegally & shut the company down? Also, would the SEC be willing to talk to John as CEO if he wasn't the legal CEO?

I can’t help but think those of you who are trying to find a scapegoat in John are guilty of the “squeaky wheel” syndrome. Most of the uncertainty is a direct result of Rufus getting on SPR and creating doubt in people’s minds. This was magnified by John’s refusal to respond / defend himself in the court of SPR and HSM land. John will not lower himself by getting into a “he said / he said” match with any of the former management of CSHD or its shareholders.

He is far too busy trying to bring in new deals that will bring new assets to CSHD. One day you will see the results of his hard work. Hopefully, that day will come soon.

Last weeks antics and infighting on HSM and SPR have brought out all sorts of negative activity. People who have not been around for a long time are coming out of the woodwork in order to give their uneducated opinions. As shareholders of this crazy soap opera stock, every one is certainly entitled to his / her opinions. But remember…none of us really know the truth yet.

However, I think those who support John have been lulled into a wait and see mode as we have not heard a whole lot from the company for weeks / months. I think it’s time that the people who have faith in John Arlitt show their support a little more on the threads…even if it is just telling him that you support what he is doing for us. With OUR support, he WILL get it done. Remember that by supporting the CEO of CSHD, you are supporting your own interests and position.

I could be wrong…but I don’t think so. [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Well said Matt, VERY well said.....

Now, I'm out of here again.....
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Thanks for your help today Jenna...it is much appreciated...more than you know.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I support the CEO of CSHD... who is it? LOL!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Your welcome Matt....I had fun today..... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Wally? Are you listening?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally? Are you listening?

Just started to. Sometimes it's difficult to hear everything because of split attentions.


GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Wow! who is listening... things being said are very interesting.


cysg, igia, glbt, bban... More DD needed I think.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Is that like a dual personality? LOL
So far it's interesting...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
John is not allowed in the US? and now being to ask to leave Canada? that is going a bit far in my book.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I am Tax...I wish i had heard the first part about the link to the Sec website...did you get it?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Now I know I have looked into this guy... where are my notes? Michael Holbrook???
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yes it is just the SECinfo for Furia

www.secinfo.com/dvmfp.1xs.d.htm

He was pointing out the article EX-10.1 Stock purchase Agreement Between Micheal Alexander and Micheal Holbrook and Martin Cohen

Said that this is a very interesting transaction that is repeated in several securities (cysg, igia, glbt, bban)
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
What time is rufus supposed to be on SPR?

after he finishes his beer....

(sorry I couldn't resist *Hi Rufus*)

LOL ~ [Big Grin]

Good one Jenna!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Lots of DD surfacing here.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Yes it is just the SECinfo for Furia

www.secinfo.com/dvmfp.1xs.d.htm

He was pointing out the article EX-10.1 Stock purchase Agreement Between Micheal Alexander and Micheal Holbrook and Martin Cohen

Said that this is a very interesting transaction that is repeated in several securities (cysg, igia, glbt, bban)

Very interesting indeed. Im interested in the link between Alexander and Holbrook.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Judge has refused to open the default.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus said that John got kicked out of Canada so he had to go back to Germany NOW he just said John is going to Germany to make a deal....which is it Rufus? Strike One....contradiction....


Let's see if I hear anymore?

He also just admitted John can't do any damage to the company....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
By the way the only reason I'm listening is because American Idol is over.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Sure....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
He tells everyone to get an attorney - why would they need one? Rufus doesn't have one....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
John does not have control over anything that he couldn't force control of. I guess he say MA helped him hack into the email system and back up everything. But that is it besides the codes to file PR's and filings.

That is all... and Rufus is "fixin to stop it."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
Sure....

LOL- actually it's true!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
They definitely are not working together... [Roll Eyes] OK I guess we knew that.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
oops. double post.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
Sure....

LOL- actually it's true!!!
You know youre crosslegged starry-eyed on the floor in front of the computer... [Razz]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tim- very close in a very comfy, big fluffy chair with a laptop on my lap...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
What did he just say? I missed it...
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Is it me or does Rufas sound like a cross between a country boy and a ghetto punk?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Who is Holbrook?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Is it me or does Rufas sound like a cross between a country boy and a ghetto punk?

To me, he sounds bitter with some people and wants them to know it
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Holbrook is being mentioned alot.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Michael Holbrook i believe
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
someone contacted the Dallas FBI office???

LOL was that you St. Matt???
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
im so sick of this...its a burden to my portfolio
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
For those that don't know. Michael Holbrook was part of BBAN.


GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
someone contacted the Dallas FBI office???

LOL was that you St. Matt???

I think it was someone from HSM.....the guys number was posted at HSM by MIKE.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
FBI was looking into Fronthaul? in Dallas? Where is the confused icon?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
someone contacted the Dallas FBI office???

LOL was that you St. Matt???

I think it was someone from HSM.....the guys number was posted at HSM by MIKE.
I did see that on HSM as well as a warning that the post could be considered illegal. I think it was last week.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Why are they looking into frounthaul - isn't Conversion under investigation? Doesn't make sense...... [Confused] HHMMMM
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
5 pages today??? Good God..

I think Simon is over it... You can hear it in his voice.

He is curious but just doesn't believe anything anymore.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
For those that don't know. Michael Holbrook was part of BBAN.


GLTA
Wally

Well what is he doing on a Furia 8K back in 2004?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Mike did not have his prefered shares when he voted out Rufus... there is the Ace in the sleeve folks.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
For those that don't know. Michael Holbrook was part of BBAN.


GLTA
Wally

Well what is he doing on a Furia 8K back in 2004?
[Wink]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
When he gave the company back to Rufus he was given back his Free Trading shares, not his prefered shares.

According to that statement Rufus's confidence is well justified.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
So Rufus is saying he doubts if the SEC is going to let any of the officers back in a public company till this is all resolved. Including himself.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
For those that don't know. Michael Holbrook was part of BBAN.


GLTA
Wally

Well what is he doing on a Furia 8K back in 2004?
Troubled Broadband completes merger, starts new life
2002-07-31
By Brian Brus
The Oklahoman


A U.S. Bankruptcy Court judge approved a $7 million reorganization plan for Broadband Wireless International Corp. on Tuesday, allowing the troubled company to complete a merger and start a new life.
Judge Richard L. Bohanon approved the plan for the Oklahoma City Internet Service Provider to swap 75 percent of its stock in exchange for an infusion of $7 million in operating capital from Entertainment Direct.TV Inc., a Las Vegas-based entertainment media promotions company.

"This was the only chance the company had of moving forward successfully. ... Without our relationship with EDTV, the company would have to be liquidated, with no hope of recovery for creditors," Broadband Wireless President Ron Tripp said. The company's debt totals about $250,000.

Tripp said that even though the high- speed Internet communications company technically is acquiring privately held EDTV, the other company actually will end up controlling Broadband Wireless. Tripp will remain on the board of directors of the combined company, but EDTV President Terry Gourley will be named chief executive.

The arrangement "is basically a business mechanism," Gourley said, allowing Broadband to remain a publicly traded shell for EDTV.

The company likely will change its name to Broadband Total Entertainment Network, Tripp said.

Broadband Wireless prospered during the tech stock boom in late 1999 and early 2000. But the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filed lawsuits in August 2000 alleging a "pump-and-dump" scheme to artificially inflate the company's stock over the Internet. Thousands of shareholders lost money hanging on to the stock after it peaked at $12.98 and then plunged to pennies a share.

Donald Knight, a convicted felon from Edmond who once allegedly controlled Broadband and its stock, fled in mid-2000 as the SEC and the Oklahoma Securities Department filed joint lawsuits saying he helped orchestrate the scheme and made $5 million at the expense of other shareholders. Officials said they believe he is living in luxury in Costa Rica.

The federal court later appointed a receiver to retrieve illegally obtained company stock, and new executives and directors took control of the company. At the end of last year, the SEC dropped its charges, and Broadband entered Chapter 11 reorganization in December.

Broadband Wireless investor Mike Holbrook said after Bohanon's decision Tuesday, "I couldn't be happier with this plan. ... They're (EDTV) very professional people who know what they're doing, and can really turn this around." Holbrook, his friends and family have more than $1.5 million invested in the company, he said.

Tripp said EDTV "will give the shareholders a real company." Those shares were never canceled; they will remain active and tradable, he said.

Gourley said EDTV is prepared to repay all Broadband Wireless's debts. Debts listed in court records include priority claims by the Internal Revenue Service and Oklahoma Tax Commission, and secured claims by Republic Bank of Norman and David Bernstein.

EDTV uses the Internet to promote entertainment products and information to targeted consumers. Together, the two companies plan to develop "identity ISPs" for clients, Tripp said.

"We've identified an extremely interested customer base that would allow us to develop independent ISPs with very large customer bases for entities in the entertainment world," he said. Broadband Wireless will set up individual performers, sports teams, companies or other entertainment- related clients with Internet capabilities for promotions ranging from concerts, CDs or online content. Clients already include rappers Snoop Dogg and Coolio, he said.

The company's stock price closed up Tuesday at 15.3 cents, up a fraction of a cent, on volume of 452,400 in over-the- counter trading.


http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=223747024

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Why are they looking into frounthaul - isn't Conversion under investigation? Doesn't make sense...... [Confused] HHMMMM

Mike Alexander has allegedly admitted CEOTA was not a real company. The LOI was with FHAL, not CSHD...i imagine FHAL might have some questions to answer as well. I posted the other night that FHAL may have known CEOTA was junk and sold the shell to Rufus anyway which is why i wasnt ready to toss Rufus into the pile of whomever ran this scam
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
man this sounds like Timothy Miles..

anyone??
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
couple more weeks....I have Pacer....LOL I am ready.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I believe this to be true...I think Rufus even said this during the first SPR interview after he became CEO again (actually during). I thought we all knew this?

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
When he gave the company back to Rufus he was given back his Free Trading shares, not his prefered shares.

According to that statement Rufus's confidence is well justified.


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Caller: "IF you r CEO why is there an 8K saying that John Arlitt is the CEO?"

Rufus: "My first question is how did the get the codes?....."The T/A had the codes & he wouldn't read the codes..."

Caller: "Didn't the SEC see it...?"

Rufus:"When was it put it out?....."

Rufus: "Give me a few weeks....get a membership to Pacers...with the courts - you can never go wrong...."
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
man this sounds like Timothy Miles..

anyone??

I was thinking the same thing. LOL

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
RPH "If it does not go through the Federal Court it is not real..."
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
-unreal....
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
All of the money is there...

He is going off...Its all there ,I'll sue them...LOL
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
All of what money? The bonds?
 
Posted by RichBy26 on :
 
wow... I have to get some rest but I'll catch up in the morning...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus:"It's not reality....Just cause you're seeing it...It's not reality...the money is there...this thing is set to blow.....somebody's got to pay...on both sides of the fence."


Caller: "......People are not happy about the SHC, what happened is the SHC was elected on the fly - it was supposed to be temporary...."

Rufus: "They were supposed to be Nominees.....here's the problem....you turn it over to a bunch of fox & somethings gonna happen....Can anybody reach John...can anybody get in touch with him?"


HAHA- I can!!!! [Eek!]
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
WOW! This is getting good.............when it blows, great entertainment!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus:"You will be compensated! It just won't be in your timeframe...."
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
I believe this to be true...I think Rufus even said this during the first SPR interview after he became CEO again (actually during). I thought we all knew this?

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
When he gave the company back to Rufus he was given back his Free Trading shares, not his prefered shares.

According to that statement Rufus's confidence is well justified.


Well then the math is pretty simple... how did they pull majority shares to oust Rufus? That is going to be the question. And what about the shareholder meeting? Secret meetings of material effect do not happen in a public company. (I should say they are not supposed to.)
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I knew the positioning was too obvious.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Well, if Rufus is telling the truth- then Alana should be coming to shut down Conversion then....because the SHC did this illegally....I wonder why they let this go so long.....? That's wrong....they should have stopped it....
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
This is worse than a bad mexican soap opera ...........
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
RPH "This is gonna be politically huge..."
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Feb. 5th. is my birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Feb 5th hold tight Holders... If this falls through then all bet's are off.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Caller:"Any time frame when this is going to blow up?"

Rufus:" (Feb 5th- You'll see..."

Caller:"ALright we're counting on you - people have there houses up...Godspeed."

Rufus:"Same at U."
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
He did really good with Rob... Rob was ticked! Left in a better mood.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Mikes share were not on the NOBO list, Mikes shares do not exist...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus said there won't be anymore time for him to come onto SPR again....
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Jenna, you are too cute! I knew you wouldn't be able to stay away from SPR. We have been in this too long, not to listen to everything. [Smile]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Manny Nedwick??? More DD
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus: "Anybody hear of Manny Nedwich?"
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
After the Proxy Rufus will no longer be involved.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rufus: "Anybody hear of Manny Nedwich?"

His real name is probably Emmanuel Nedwich
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus said he will not come back onto SPR until after the Proxy.....then he will no longer be an officer....

He is threatening to take Mike & John's shares from them...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Proxy vote will not include John Arlit he has someone lined up for the position.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rufus said he will not come back onto SPR until after the Proxy.....then he will no longer be an officer....

He is threatening to take Mike & John's shares from them...

That sounded alot more like a promise rather than a threat.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
same thing....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anybody have Alana Black's phone number?

I'm going to end this crap tommarrow....I'm going to find out the truth....

Who is the CEO? Who will put out the Proxy? Why is John allowed to act as CEO- if he isn't? Why do they allow John to put out PR's if he's not CEO? I'm going to tell her to stop this crap.....this is insane.... [Eek!]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
He just fired the SHC....so they are done...I guess you guys can stop trying to contact them...that takes care of that...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Mikes share were not on the NOBO list, Mikes shares do not exist...

Take that with a grain of salt. His shares could easily be on the OBO list. This is interesting but I have no faith in anything from Rufus or anyone else involved. I'll wait for the SEC and court system to post the truth.


GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wally- do you have Alana Black's number?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=242880316

some info on Manny Nedwick

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:

He is threatening to take Mike & John's shares from them...

He might as well take all of our shares , they aren't worth crap anyways .
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
same thing....

Jenna I understand that what is happening is not in line with John's camp. I fully understand that it is making several sick to their stomach.

I look at it as information right or wrong. Rufus is very confident. Just about as confident as John in his latest PR.

You can not say that this is not valuable to know. I am not trying to make anybody mad. I just don't like the boycott of sides. Both sides have done wrong IMO, stand back and let'em go.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Simon: "I hope whoever is guilty goes to jail..and if it's you I hope you go to jail..."

Rufus:"I hope you go to jail too...."

S:"Me?...What did I do?"

Rufus:"I don't know if you broke the law I hope you go to jail too..."

Laughing....
 
Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
Just tuned in to the end since there are no reality shows on right now. But this is much better.

Jo
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Mikes share were not on the NOBO list, Mikes shares do not exist...

Take that with a grain of salt. His shares could easily be on the OBO list. This is interesting but I have no faith in anything from Rufus or anyone else involved. I'll wait for the SEC and court system to post the truth.


GLTA
Wally

Everything being said has to be taken with a jumbo grain of salt.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tax- what the hell are you talking about? I want to call Alana because I want to know what the hell they are doing about this!!!!


What the hell are you talking about?

What should "John's camp" be sick to their stomach's?

I want the SEC to put the rightful CEO in there....

So...what's your point?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? emotions?
You need some sleep...
and this damn stock needs to be "put down"...like a dog with rabies...

sleep and leave emotions out...
let's see what happens next month...ARGH!
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Simon: "I hope whoever is guilty goes to jail..and if it's you I hope you go to jail..."

Rufus:"I hope you go to jail too...."

S:"Me?...What did I do?"

Rufus:"I don't know if you broke the law I hope you go to jail too..."

Laughing....

I literally spit my tea out I was laughing so hard with that one. Rufus is one crazy son of a *****, that's for sure. Wow. It is truly amazing he was able to pump this from .05 to $4, what a total wack job !
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax- what the hell are you talking about? I want to call Alana because I want to know what the hell they are doing about this!!!!


What the hell are you talking about?

What should "John's camp" be sick to their stomach's?

I want the SEC to put the rightful CEO in there....

So...what's your point?

I was not talking about you calling Alana. I think that is a great idea. And I am saying that right now there are people who trust one side, or another side, or niether... very few who trust both.

My point is this interview was as damaging to John's claim to CEO as the PR earlier was to Rufus's claim if not worse. I don't like either side any more, and I am sick to my stomach. Sorry if today's info has not bothered yours or others.

Things are reaching their boiling point.
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
You all don't seriously believe this is coming off the greys and will ever trade over .15 again...

...Do you? This was toast the day the SEC stopped the music and people couldn't find a chair. But it is fun to listen to Rufus the Dufus, he always gives me a chuckle !
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
US I got a ring side seat to the show of the century... having money on the line is only a perk.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10- I'm emotional because I asked for somones number to validate Rufus' position as CEO & Tax accuses me of me being razzled....nothing upset me that he said except I don't know why the SEC isn't stopping John from being CEO....if Rufus is CEO of the company I own stock in but John is making deals in Germany on Conversions behalf- that is Outrageous & John needs to be stoppped....someone pointed me to Alana's number & I am calling tomarrow- the SEC needs to start doing their job.....how can they let just anyone be CEO?.....I will demand answers tomarrow!!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I hope the call does some good...
Sleep well Jenna...
Oh and everyone else to....
Night Wally [Wink]
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
US I got a ring side seat to the show of the century... having money on the line is only a perk.

Nice.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Jenna ~ please look at what I quoted when I supposedly said you were razzled. you said Rufus "threatened" John, I commented that he "promised" him. and you wrote "same thing..."

Which I took to be a sign that I had stepped on your toes. Calling Alana wasn't even part of the conversation yet. Appologies fomr me. I respect your thoughts and opinions. I did not want to offend.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Nite 10... almost 6 months now and you are still here keeping the peace at times. Bet you never expected that. later. I will try and not cause any more trouble... intentional or not.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
You better believe I will have answers...

But I don't think I will share what's said on the board......If anyone wants to know how it went they can PM me....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Nite all... once again appologies Jenna.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? Tax said please...
Tax never says please...

Night Tax!
 
Posted by Uncle Smelly on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
10- I'm emotional because I asked for somones number to validate Rufus' position as CEO & Tax accuses me of me being razzled....nothing upset me that he said except I don't know why the SEC isn't stopping John from being CEO....if Rufus is CEO of the company I own stock in but John is making deals in Germany on Conversions behalf- that is Outrageous & John needs to be stoppped....someone pointed me to Alana's number & I am calling tomarrow- the SEC needs to start doing their job.....how can they let just anyone be CEO?.....I will demand answers tomarrow!!!

Why are you putting so much effort into this? I would focus more on finding a stock that you can make your money back on. Look I lost 8K in principle and 18K in profits on this one...

I made back it all over the past two months on several plays; MAMA, SOFO, USXP (of all things), and a few others. Had I wasted my time with CSHD I would be still in the hole. I did this starting with 2K.

You may have a ton of shares here, and I still have mine. But the reality is that this is dead in the water. Arlitt is MIA, Rufus is nuts. The SEC is probably never going to let this trade off the greys again...

My advice is to focus your energy on making your initial investment back with small cap NASDAQ stocks. Stay away from the pinks and OTCBB....

Anyway you seem like a pretty intelligent person, I'm sure you can do better than to waste time with this nonsense.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tax- I said same thing because it doesn't matter...they all should have taken eachothers shares a long time ago....at this point I hope a zoo monkey is on the proxy for CEO...he'll get my vote!!!!

This is a freak show....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Jenna? Tax said please...
Tax never says please...

Night Tax!

OH GREAT!!! Now me and George W Bush have something in common!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tax- good night - no problem- I took it wrong...10's right - lack of sleep for me...sorry I know when I get frustrated I can get nasty....SORRY....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax- what the hell are you talking about? I want to call Alana because I want to know what the hell they are doing about this!!!!


What the hell are you talking about?

What should "John's camp" be sick to their stomach's?

I want the SEC to put the rightful CEO in there....

So...what's your point?

I hear you Jenna. I really don't feel that it's the SEC's place to install a CEO. I believe that is why this will be handled in the court system. I feel your frustration and unfortunately all us shareholders are still in this Grey area both on the trading market and in knowing what is happening with the company that we have money invested in.

I never understood how the SHC got the authority to make the change, it really baffled me. I will also state that the problem I do have with John Arlitt, is the fact that for months he stated he was not an insider and was a shareholder just like us. So how does a shareholder become CEO without the rest of us voting. Since I was never informed or had the chance to know his qualifications, I have never believed him to be the CEO of CSHD. I still don't.

None of this is personal to me. It's strictly a business transaction and I like to look at things as logically as possible. I don't buy all that Rufus is saying. As I have posted previously the truth lies somewhere between what we are being told by those who want the power.

I just hope that this doesn't drag on and on and on. Hopefully we will get some indication of who is who and what is what within the next few weeks.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Funny story about "Bush"

My cousin Lisa hates him with a passion. She is a devoted Democrat.....the funny thing is she just got married & now her last name is Bush....how about that?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good night to all and to all a good night.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good night Mamma....

I'm cranky...Bed-dy by time....
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Funny story about "Bush"

My cousin Lisa hates him with a passion. She is a devoted Democrat.....the funny thing is she just got married & now her last name is Bush....how about that?

Now that's funny! ha ~

Night Board!

Chart ~ [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Uncle, I do trade other things in the meantime.....I couldn't just wait for this...my goodness that would be crazy.....

By the way- John is noe MIA - he's in Germany - working on a deal...didn't you read the PR from earlier today?

But John may not be the CEO so I guess the deal is not for Conversion...figures!!!
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Jesus Christ. This is such a soap opera. I know many of you lost a lot of money on this, and I know some people (Repo) hate that this is on the Hot Stocks board, but I enjoy it for the entertainment value.

Hopefully it'll work out.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Jenna ------Alana Blacks Phone and E-mail


404-842-7678
blacka*sec.gov.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Don't mention Repo! BUMP. And where is Kevin Bailey?
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Too bad we can't trade this one on its entertainment value [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I'm afraid she is correct, sir...we are having to start over because of the house that Rufus built.

He cut corners and did not build a strong foundation. This is what John has been working on for the last 2 months...building / negotiating a foundation.


quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
LOL
Jenna

After 8 months in this your saying this is just the begining!!!! [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

No more please i submit can i have my money back please??? [Big Grin]


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
A lot of the NSS occurred with Fronthal before the merger with Conversion Solutions. I believe they are looking at the forensics of Fronthal. I have heard they are looking at MA and DP. No evidence of this, but I have heard it on more than one occasion.


quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Why are they looking into frounthaul - isn't Conversion under investigation? Doesn't make sense...... [Confused] HHMMMM


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I can too...funny Rufus can't, but he sure seems to know a lot about what John is / or is not doing. [Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Rufus:"It's not reality....Just cause you're seeing it...It's not reality...the money is there...this thing is set to blow.....somebody's got to pay...on both sides of the fence."


Caller: "......People are not happy about the SHC, what happened is the SHC was elected on the fly - it was supposed to be temporary...."

Rufus: "They were supposed to be Nominees.....here's the problem....you turn it over to a bunch of fox & somethings gonna happen....Can anybody reach John...can anybody get in touch with him?"


HAHA- I can!!!! [Eek!]


 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
OK...how old is he...10? Same to you, but more of it!

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Simon: "I hope whoever is guilty goes to jail..and if it's you I hope you go to jail..."

Rufus:"I hope you go to jail too...."

S:"Me?...What did I do?"

Rufus:"I don't know if you broke the law I hope you go to jail too..."

Laughing....


 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I saw this over on HSM... and was rolling out of my chair... Had to share! Let's go get'em guys!

 -
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
SUBPENNYRADIO has Rufus on if you missed it from last night.......
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Volume is up today, whats going on? LOL
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
Good volume so far!
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
478k in volume and its not 10:30 yet? Whats going on?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
.13..........aWOOOHOOOO!!!!!!
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
I bet we see $1 today.


Kidding.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I saw this over on HSM... and was rolling out of my chair... Had to share! Let's go get'em guys!

 -

Is tht Rufus going after the SEC?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey all, just wanted to let you know - I called Alana, got a voice mail, so I left her a message.....if she doesn't return my callby the middle of the afternoon I will try her again....

By the way- thanks for all of those Pm's I got.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Hey Jenna!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey Stockstar69!!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok folks, take this for what its worth........

It appears that in the interview last night Rufus is pointing us in the direction that a lot of stock sites and posters have already been, the toxic financing issue Alexander involved himself with back in November of 2005. I believe FHAL starting getting "pumped" in December of 05 and i recall there was actually a little but of a run.

Anyway, Rufus named 3 other stocks last night and told people to dig into their background, message boards...etc.

CYSG
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/08/19/0001144204-05-026400/Section28.asp

GLBT
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2003/07/02/0001013762-03-000264/Section30.asp

IGIA
http://www.secinfo.com/d12TC3.v1Gan.d.htm

The link that the three of these (and many others, CNES was another) have to FHAL are Cory Ribotsky / AJW offshore LTD....and his various other companies.

FHAL
http://www.secinfo.com/d12TC3.z17Gg.c.htm

Im not up to the whole "finger pointing" thing these days because i feel like ive had it nearly bitten off a couple of times so im merely posting what ive found and i have no idea what relevance there is to any of it. My GUESS would be that Rufus wants us to dig deeper into the toxic financing Mike Alexander signed himself up for back in late 2005......but hey, wtf do i know right?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Corey Robitski = PIPE Toxic Financing

FYI:

"Regulators are looking into allegations of improper short-selling by at least a dozen different hedge funds in advance of PIPE deals. The improper shorting, regulators contend, allowed the hedge funds to score a quick profit from the inevitable decline in the stock of the issuing company."

Here's the entire article again just because I know articles like this are the same as a Cross is to a Vampire to many of the bashers on this :
OT: HBK Talks Settlement

By Matthew Goldstein
Wall Street Editor
10/4/2006 1:31 PM EDT


Hedge fund giant HBK Investments is looking at paying the biggest penalty yet in a two-year-old investigation of abusive trading in the so-called PIPEs market.

The $7 billion Dallas-based hedge fund is in active settlement talks with the Securities and Exchange Commission to resolve allegations of improper short sales. The fund allegedly made improper trades in two companies that were selling discounted stock in private investments in public equity, or PIPEs, deals.

People familiar with the hedge fund say no settlement is imminent. HBK officials, however, have made it clear to investors who have inquired about the investigation that they want to put the matter behind them.

But regulators are driving a hard bargain, demanding a penalty greater than $16 million and the suspension of at least one employee at the multistrategy hedge fund, sources say.

An SEC spokesman declined to comment on the HBK settlement talks. Jon Mosle, HBK's general counsel, declined to comment.

In a typical PIPE deal, a small, cash-strapped company raises cash by selling discounted stock, or a bond that converts into discounted shares. Shares of the seller usually decline as investors anticipate a flood of discounted stock coming into the market.

Regulators are looking into allegations of improper short-selling by at least a dozen different hedge funds in advance of PIPE deals. The improper shorting, regulators contend, allowed the hedge funds to score a quick profit from the inevitable decline in the stock of the issuing company.


http://www.thestreet.com/_tscfoc/newsanalysis/wallstreet/10313022.html

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok folks, take this for what its worth........

It appears that in the interview last night Rufus is pointing us in the direction that a lot of stock sites and posters have already been, the toxic financing issue Alexander involved himself with back in November of 2005. I believe FHAL starting getting "pumped" in December of 05 and i recall there was actually a little but of a run.

Anyway, Rufus named 3 other stocks last night and told people to dig into their background, message boards...etc.

CYSG
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/08/19/0001144204-05-026400/Section28.asp

GLBT
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2003/07/02/0001013762-03-000264/Section30.asp

IGIA
http://www.secinfo.com/d12TC3.v1Gan.d.htm

The link that the three of these (and many others, CNES was another) have to FHAL are Cory Ribotsky / AJW offshore LTD....and his various other companies.

FHAL
http://www.secinfo.com/d12TC3.z17Gg.c.htm

Im not up to the whole "finger pointing" thing these days because i feel like ive had it nearly bitten off a couple of times so im merely posting what ive found and i have no idea what relevance there is to any of it. My GUESS would be that Rufus wants us to dig deeper into the toxic financing Mike Alexander signed himself up for back in late 2005......but hey, wtf do i know right?

Nice Post... that was the name I needed!!!

8000 hits off of the SEC full text web site... 10 of them directly related to Furia.

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000114420405040479/v031809_ex10-17 .htm
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Death Spiral Convertible Just Refuses to Die

Page 2

So far, two hedge funds are leading the way in investing in death spiral deals. Over the past 12 months, Cornell Capital Partners has emerged as the top investor in death spiral transactions, sinking $175 million into 42 deals. In second place is NIR Group, which has invested $77 million in 40 transactions.

No other hedge fund comes close to Cornell Capital or NIR, says Robert Kyle, executive vice president of Sagient Research, the parent company of PlacementTracker.

Mark Angelo, the founder and president of Cornell Capital, a $500 million fund located in Jersey City, N.J., declined to comment. Corey Ribotsky, the manager of Roslyn, N.Y.-based NIR Group, did not return several phone calls. NIR Group has $486 million in assets under management.

PIPE deals, of course, come in all shapes and fashion. But almost every deal involves the sale of discounted shares to a group of hedge funds.

Death spiral PIPEs got their unsavory reputation because, unlike typical convertible bonds, which get converted into shares only when a stock rises to a fixed price, the conversion price for these notes keeps getting adjusted downward whenever the underlying stock falls. The drop in the stock price also means the buyers are entitled to receive more shares when the conversion occurs.

The floating convertible feature is intended to be an embedded hedge to protect investors in the event the stock doesn't rise in price after the deal. But, in the past, some unscrupulous hedge funds that bought the bonds saw the floating conversion feature as an invitation to make money by literally shorting the stocks to death. In many cases, those hedge funds violated contract provisions forbidding any shorting of the company's stock. (Nobody has lodged such allegations about Cornell or NIR.)

A short sale is a market bet that a stock will fall in price.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Death Spiral Convertible Just Refuses to Die
Page 3



To some degree, every PIPE deal, not just death spirals, is a bit of a Faustian bargain for a company. In selling discounted stock or a bond that converts into discounted shares, the company hopes all the extra shares coming into the market won't depress the price of its stock.

PlacementTracker reports that six months after a death spiral convertible is placed, the stock of the issuing company is down, on average, 7%. Yet, ironically, death spirals are not the worst-performing PIPE deals.

PlacementTracker says companies that sell bonds with a so-called "convertible reset'' conversion provision often see their shares plunge by 26% six months after doing a deal. A convertible reset PIPE is a modified death spiral that doesn't have an endless conversion feature.

Indeed, the NIR Group, which mainly invests in death spiral PIPEs, reports having some stellar annual returns. The NIR Group's AJW Offhore hedge fund is up 6% this year, after rising 17% last year, according to a report sent to the hedge fund's investors.

One hedge fund manager who didn't want to be identified says most investors in death spiral deals want a company's stock to go up. He says the floating convertible is intended to provide protection to investors. He says there's more money to be made from a company's stock rising than falling.

The hedge fund manager says death spirals unfairly got a bad reputation because of abusive short-selling by some rogue hedge funds.

Casper Hallas, a portfolio manager with Denmark's Scandium Asset Management, agrees with that sentiment. He says his fund invested with the NIR Group because he likes PIPE deals with a floating-conversion feature. He says the downward-conversion feature provides added protection for investors.

"If the market goes down, you convert at the lower rate,'' says Hallas. "Having a floating rate is a little bit like riding a put.''
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Sorry this is page 1

Brokerages/Wall Street
Death Spiral Convertible Just Refuses to Die
By Matthew Goldstein
Senior Writer
5/11/2006 7:13 AM EDT
URL: http://www.thestreet.com/stocks/brokerages/10284937.html


The "death spiral convertible" might sound like your last car, but it's a bond -- and it's making an unlikely comeback on Wall Street.

These much-maligned securities, whose conversion into common shares can be triggered by precipitous drops in a company's stock, all but disappeared from the market three years ago. The near extinction occurred as investors got wise to the deleterious impact an endless flood of new shares can have on price.

Subsequent allegations of manipulative trading by some of the hedge funds that invested in these deals looked to be the death knell of the death spiral convertible. Those allegations ultimately spawned a regulatory investigation that led to a number of enforcement actions against hedge funds accused of illegally profiting from declines in stock.

Over the past year, however, there's been a surprising revival in the market for death spiral convertibles -- known officially on Wall Street as "floating convertibles.''

In particular, small, cash-strapped companies with market capitalizations often under $100 million are selling these bonds to hedge funds in deals covered by the Wall Street acronym PIPEs, or private investments in public equity. The resurgence in death spiral deals may be an indication that tiny, cash-strapped companies are finding fewer options for raising money.

This year, 10% of the 478 completed PIPE deals brought to market have been death spiral transactions. By comparison, just 1.9% of all PIPE deals in 2003 were categorized as death spirals, according to research firm PlacementTracker. (PlacementTracker officially calls them floating convertibles).

Last year, death spirals accounted for 6.4% of the $20 billion-a-year PIPEs market. Death spiral deals peaked in 1999, when they represented 20% of all PIPE transactions.

Some of the companies that have done death spiral PIPE deals with floating conversion prices this past year include Generex (GNBT:Nasdaq) and Vasomedical (VASO:Nasdaq) , according to PlacementTracker.
 
Posted by minkybodl on :
 
Rufus gave this link last night about naked shorts, said it would put an end to it. Pdf is 4 pages.


http://www.dtc.org/impntc/ope/ope_0872-07.pdf


The Depository Trust Company
IMPORTANT

B#: 0872-07

DATE: January 18, 2007

TO: DTC Participants

CATEGORY: Operations

FROM: Product Marketing and Development

ATTENTION: Operations Manager, Cashiering, Securities Lending

SUBJECT: SMART/Track for Stock Loan Recalls

The Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association (SIFMA) has announced the industry-wide adoption of the Automated Recall Messaging System (ARMS), effective in February 2007 (see attached SIFMA Important Information). DTC supports the goal of automating the stock loan recall process either through a vendor-developed ARMS platform or through a direct connection to DTC’S SMART/Track for Stock Loan Recalls.

DTC’s SMART/Track for Stock Loan Recalls (formerly known as the Universal Hub for Stock Loan Recalls) was implemented in 2003, as described in DTC Important Notice B#4758, dated May 6, 2003.SMART/Track provides a central point of access for the automated transmission of stock loan recalls.
Participants using a vendor-developed ARMS platform connect to SMART/Track through their vendor while participants that have their own automated stock loan recall capability connect directly to SMART/Track to send stock loan recall messages to their counterparties. By providing a single point of access to all parties, SMART/Track ensures that neither ARMS vendors nor individual participants have to
build bilateral links to other vendors or participants for the transmission of stock loan recalls or keep track of the relationship between their counterparty to the recall and a vendor, if any.

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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I knew you guys would be all over that...
I might have time tonight..if you guys haven't finished!
Off to an appointment....
GL!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Do we assume that Mike knew what he was doing when he signed on with this toxic financing? I seem to remember that maybe Sabra brought the financing to Mike.

On another note, this statement in the PR is bothering me: "...lessen any further dilution of the company stock." How much dilution are we talking and when did this happen???
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Dilution... Well according to Mike A. posts on HSM, he went from have 14 million restricted to 50 million common. So right there is an extra 36 million. Who knows what else...

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Do we assume that Mike knew what he was doing when he signed on with this toxic financing? I seem to remember that maybe Sabra brought the financing to Mike.

On another note, this statement in the PR is bothering me: "...lessen any further dilution of the company stock." How much dilution are we talking and when did this happen???


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Not a big fan of Lee Webb but his is interesting.


By Sept. 30, 2005, just over a year after Mr. Alexander took control, the company had an accumulated deficit of approximately $2.7-million, a working capital shortfall of approximately $256,000 and chump change of only $9,227 in cash.

In November of 2005, the haemorrhaging company hooked up with a coterie of financing outfits at least nominally led by Corey Ribotsky for a badly needed cash infusion.

Mr. Ribotsky is the frontman for AJW Partners LLC, AJW Qualified Partners LLC, AJW Offshore Ltd. and New Millennium Partners II LLC, which are quite active in providing toxic financing to OTC-BB companies.

On Nov. 18, 2005, Mr. Alexander signed convertible debenture purchase agreements for an aggregate $2.5-million with Mr. Ribotsky's companies.

Under the terms of the agreements, the toxic financiers advanced $1-million on Nov. 18, 2005, and another $750,000 on Dec. 23, 2005. The remaining $750,000 was to be paid upon the acceptance of a registration statement covering approximately 50.4 million Furia shares, but that never happened.

The convertible debentures were floorless, constituting what is commonly known as a death spiral financing. The onerous nature of the financing was acknowledged in a subsequent filing.

"Our obligation to issue shares upon conversion of our secured convertible notes is essentially limitless," Furia reported in an SEC filing.

As it turned out, even before receiving the second tranche of the financing, Mr. Alexander triggered a default provision in the convertible debenture agreement that made the $1.75-million and a penalty of $528,288 immediately payable.

Perhaps not noticed, or simply ignored, by Mr. Alexander, a provision of the convertible debenture agreement prohibited the company from redeeming, repurchasing or otherwise acquiring any of its own shares without the written consent of the noteholders.

Notwithstanding that provision and without bothering to make any public announcement about what he was up to, Mr. Alexander opened a brokerage account for the company and, using money from the financing, purchased more than 1.9 million shares at a cost of $376,000.

It is not clear who benefited from the default-triggering largesse of the financially challenged company, but it is fairly clear when the "open market" purchases occurred.

Through the early part of December of 2005, Furia's stock price was languishing at approximately six cents per share in light trading.

On Dec. 8, the stock closed at 6.4 cents with only 23,000 shares changing hands.

On Dec. 9, the stock rocketed from six cents to close at 20 cents on a volume of approximately 1.5 million shares and another 562,000 shares changed hands in the following trading session as the stock again closed at 20 cents per share.

Given that the company paid approximately 19.2 cents per share for the more than 1.9 million shares it purchased in December of 2005, it is fairly clear that the buying that triggered the default probably occurred during those two trading sessions.

Evidently it took some time for Mr. Alexander to twig to the fact that the company's unannounced pre-Christmas share buying spree had triggered a default provision of the toxic financing.

On Dec. 20, 2005, the company took its first stab at filing the registration statement for approximately 50.4 million shares as called for by the financing agreement and then followed up with an amended registration statement on Jan. 18, 2006.

By Feb. 15 when the company filed its quarterly report for the period ending Dec. 31, 2005, however, the default was acknowledged.

On March 28, Mr. Alexander got around to withdrawing the registration statement.

"The company intends on redeeming the convertible notes, issued to the selling shareholders and therefore, there is no need to register the shares underlying the convertible notes," Mr. Alexander reported in the withdrawal application.

"The company further advises the commission that no shares of common stock sought to be registered pursuant to the Registration Statement have been sold or offered," he added.

Just how the company planned to redeem those notes, or what ever became of that plan, is anyone's guess, but the defaulted notes were still outstanding at the end of March.

When FrontHaul filed its dismal financial results for the period ending March 31, 2006, the company had an accumulated deficit of approximately $6.9-million, which was racked up in less than two years, a negative net worth of $1.8-million, a working capital shortfall of more than $2.3-million and a paltry $57,000 in cash.

Notwithstanding its dire financial condition, the company saw fit to further breach the provisions of the toxic financing during the quarter by purchasing another 818,405 of its own shares at a cost of approximately $244,000.

No further financial information regarding FrontHaul has been filed since the company issued its third-quarter report for the period ending March 31, 2006.

Interestingly, the financing agreement with Mr. Ribotsky's companies called for Mr. Alexander to pledge more than 25 million of his shares and deliver them to the toxic financiers along with an executed transfer form.

Given that Mr. Alexander changed Furia's name to FrontHaul on April 13 by virtue of his control of more than 75.1 million shares representing more than 78 per cent of the company's stock, including 50 million shares that he had the right to acquire from the conversion of 500,000 preferred shares, he evidently still had control of the 25 million shares pledged to the toxic financiers at that time.

In any event, on July 8, cash-strapped FrontHaul entered into a share-swap merger agreement with Mr. Harris's penniless CVSU.

Under the merger agreement, FrontHaul, which oddly claimed to have approximately 62.2 million shares issued and outstanding, issued approximately 48.9 million shares to acquire Mr. Harris's company.

In spite of the fact that FrontHaul was the purchaser and its shareholders still controlled the majority of the stock, Mr. Alexander exited the company, giving way to Mr. Harris and his associates, who ratcheted up the promotion.

Interestingly, Mr. Harris and his new board of directors subsequently passed a resolution cancelling the 50 million shares that, according to SEC filings, had been reserved for issuance to Mr. Alexander.

Given recent developments, it is not clear whether the resolution cancelling Mr. Alexander's 50 million shares was ever put into effect.

http://www.**********.com/swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-615528-U:CSHD&sy mbol=CSHD&news_region=U

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Stop it...you offer a lot to this board Mr. C…you have uncovered a lot and are always thinking…I like that. It is actually a good thing that we are not all in agreement here. Nobody really knows what is going on. I’m not even sure those directly involved know what is going on. One thing we do know is that somebody is lying big time. Our job is to find out who is the better liar.

How else are we supposed to figure out what is going on if we all believe the same thing? Isn't that how we got in this mess in the first place? We all drank the same Kool-Aide?!?! Now we are all very skeptical...and this is a good thing. Keep it coming…I want to hear every angle. Let’s just be civil to each other. Let’s offer information with the motivation to help each other get to the truth… not necessarily to prove the other person wrong.

Personally, I have moved on to beer…no more Kool-Aide for me. [Razz]


quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Ok folks, take this for what its worth........

It appears that in the interview last night Rufus is pointing us in the direction that a lot of stock sites and posters have already been, the toxic financing issue Alexander involved himself with back in November of 2005. I believe FHAL starting getting "pumped" in December of 05 and i recall there was actually a little but of a run.

Anyway, Rufus named 3 other stocks last night and told people to dig into their background, message boards...etc.

CYSG
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2005/08/19/0001144204-05-026400/Section28.asp

GLBT
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2003/07/02/0001013762-03-000264/Section30.asp

IGIA
http://www.secinfo.com/d12TC3.v1Gan.d.htm

The link that the three of these (and many others, CNES was another) have to FHAL are Cory Ribotsky / AJW offshore LTD....and his various other companies.

FHAL
http://www.secinfo.com/d12TC3.z17Gg.c.htm

Im not up to the whole "finger pointing" thing these days because i feel like ive had it nearly bitten off a couple of times so im merely posting what ive found and i have no idea what relevance there is to any of it. My GUESS would be that Rufus wants us to dig deeper into the toxic financing Mike Alexander signed himself up for back in late 2005......but hey, wtf do i know right?


 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Thanks Minki, i had the link to that pdf at home but not here at work. [Smile]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Warning, the following is my theory on what might have happened:

Mike signed the toxic financing possibly not knowing what he got himself into. He alluded to this a bit at the BBQ when he said he couldn't believe his stock price was dropping when he was PRing good things for the company. He also said he was surprised when Rufus came to him and told him who Mike was dealing with. Mike didn't feel Rufus would know this information. So, I'm guessing Rufus came to Mike very early on...not long after the AJW deal. Rufus told Mike what was going on and how he wanted to get the bad guys. Mike went along with the plan...buying up shares and defaulting on the loan. He started setting the company up for a shell takeover. Mike then came up with the CEOTA deal and caused some buying of the stock. I'm guessing he did this to bring in the shorters. Finally, Rufus stepped in and brought all of his assets to the table. The shorters and the toxic financing guys were in way over their heads and pulled out all of the stops...***, ourstreet, etc.

What happened from there? Who knows. Did Mike flip and go to the dark side? Did Rufus bring real assets to the table or were they just made up like the CEOTA deal to try and get the shorters, toxic financiers. Did someone high up push the SEC to move too fast? Man this is going to be a great movie!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
-just tried Alana again....voice mail again...maybe she's in court today.....I will keep trying....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Haha St Matt when i first started reading your post i was pretty confused. You started with "Stop it".....but now I follow what you meant LOL.

Anyway, i agree with your post. IMO we all still need to keep an open mind to what may or may not have happened to get us here today.

Milliam, im not sure if Mike knew what has was doing or not. Recently i posted that maybe things blew up in Mikes face forcing him to a desperate move which led to the merger.

When the CVSU/FHAL merger was announced i believe approx 30 days had passed since the LOI with CEOTA was announced. Ive heard rumor that a LOI is valid for 30 days after which its either canceled or becomes a definitive agreement. Can anyone comment on that?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Nice comments St. Matt... I agree. I once thought everyone to be on the level. At least as far as I could throw them. Now I see positioning and posturing that reveals that several have been bought and sold in this deal.

It does raise alot of questions and my digging is for pure information purposes only. I can honestly say I changed my tune when the bonds got side tracked. No matter how "Real" my DD has shown them to be over the past several months, when everyone is saying "We are going to put this $7.2 Billion over here to the side and forget about it because the SEC says so." Well I have to face facts and say ok... Maybe there is something huge and horible that I did not find.

I invested in what was to be a Billion dollar company that has proven to be worth jack, but yet is still the focus of some pretty large controversy. This stock for me is not about the money or recovery of losses at this point. Fact is I am working that out on some other stocks. Now my focus is to watch and learn. As Rufus says, "take notes."

I have all my shares, but I don't expect them to be worth much anytime soon. I would just like to witness this drama to the end.

Being civil to each other is a no brainer. We'll all learn many lessons from this one if we haven't already.

Until then I am, "sitt'in on the shelf". HAHA!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hi Tax! How are you today? Can I give you a big fat hug? ****HUG**** [Smile]


Guys, could someone tell me what the heck an LOI is....

Good afternoon kitty CAT.... [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hi Tax! How are you today? Can I give you a big fat hug? ****HUG**** [Smile]


Guys, could someone tell me what the heck an LOI is....

Good afternoon kitty CAT.... [Smile]

Letter Of Intent

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tax- I have to say this & you are not going to believe it is coming from me but- even if the bonds are fake...or not all owned by Conversion that doesn't mean Rufus knew that....These bonds were brought to the table by Sabra......Rufus may have not known they were not real (if in fact they aren't)...

I wonder why Sabra is never brought up....It's weird.....Aren't they looking at her? She's the common denominator....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
OOOH

Letter

Of

Intent....

Thanks WALLmeister....
 
Posted by NEL on :
 
Jenna:

Did you decide to call Alana Black?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Yeah Nel, so far I have tried 2 times - got her voice mail - left a message....will try again soon...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax- I have to say this & you are not going to believe it is coming from me but- even if the bonds are fake...or not all owned by Conversion that doesn't mean Rufus knew that....These bonds were brought to the table by Sabra......Rufus may have not known they were not real (if in fact they aren't)...

I wonder why Sabra is never brought up....It's weird.....Aren't they looking at her? She's the common denominator....

I agree... I also think Sabra has much more Washington in her than Georgia. May be the reason she has not been involved. Someone who can step in the next room and get Rudi G. on the phone has "Star Power" IMO.

I once posted a mansion on here once that she was interested in purchsing. Can't remember the link but the cost of that home was unreal. I would not be surprised if she has friends in places that are politically untouchable.

JMHO of course. I am definitely NOT saying that I know any of this for a fact. She could be Hugo Chavez's girl friend for all I know. GL Sabra! [Cool]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Tax- I have to say this & you are not going to believe it is coming from me but- even if the bonds are fake...or not all owned by Conversion that doesn't mean Rufus knew that....These bonds were brought to the table by Sabra......Rufus may have not known they were not real (if in fact they aren't)...

I wonder why Sabra is never brought up....It's weird.....Aren't they looking at her? She's the common denominator....

I know I have brought up the subject of Sabra and remember a few others as well that feel she is smack dab in the middle of the whole thing.

But it is odd that we are hearing from many involved but not from Sabra or Ben. I mean Sabra had 9M shares last I looked. That's a pretty good stake in things.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
If this Sabra is so well connected , why would she even think about tarnishing her self with this POS ??? I would think she'd be rubbing shoulders with the big boys not some hill billy con man .
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
How can we find out if she still has her shares - I think I heard she didn't.....
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
And Ben is Rufus's right hand man . He's in this up to his hair line just like Rufus . He's just smarter and keeping his mouth shut .
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Source - have you checked out PLSO today....went up...
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Yeah I noticed that ...... Quick everyone go buy the crap out of it !! [Smile]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I was told that they are on "administrative hold"...all of the old crew. That's why Rufus is so pissed.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
How can we find out if she still has her shares - I think I heard she didn't.....


 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
I was told that they are on "administrative hold"...all of the old crew. That's why Rufus is so pissed.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
How can we find out if she still has her shares - I think I heard she didn't.....


Could you explain what you mean by administrative hold? Do you mean the shares are on administrative hold?

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hi Tax! How are you today? Can I give you a big fat hug? ****HUG**** [Smile]


Guys, could someone tell me what the heck an LOI is....

Good afternoon kitty CAT.... [Smile]

oops, i missed this....good afternoon [Smile]

And i see your LOI question has been answered
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
No doubt that Sabra is involved with all of this. From what I heard, she was the one that wanted to take over the first time Rufus was ousted. I believe she was the one who organized the ousting. Then there's Mitch...I think he was the insider that was throwing Rufus under the bus. Wonder what happended to him?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Just tried Alana for the 4th time today.....maybe she will call me back tomarrow.....sorry guys I have to go to an appointment.....see ya later....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
How twisted would things be if Sabra was on the proxy? [Eek!]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
How twisted would things be if Sabra was on the proxy? [Eek!]

Now dont go saying stuff like that!!! [Razz]

Sabra supposedly setup the bonds AND brought Rufus to Mike so if any of the current theories are correct she would not be my first choice. I was surprised that Rufus said he had just spoken with her a few days ago though so who knows.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
By the way I found that link to the house Sabra was looking into... it was only $75 Million for the home. But the link is no longer available... below I attached the Google Cashed link.

Outdated link: (Doesn't work... but read it.)
http://www.haute****.com/2006/05/20/california-mansion-hits-the-market-for-75-mi llion/

Cashed link:
[url= http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:Ns_Wx8PeT98J:www.haute****.com/2006/05/20/ca lifornia-mansion-hits-the-market-for-75-million/+%22Sabra+Dabbs%22&hl=en&gl=us&c t=clnk&cd=5]http://72.14.221.104/search?q=cache:Ns_Wx8PeT98J:www.haute****.com/2 006/05/20/ca lifornia-mansion-hits-the-market-for-75-million/+%22Sabra+Dabbs%22&hl=en&gl=us&c t=clnk&cd=5[/url]

those links were both hosed... try this one.
http://tinylink.com/?ltzVxV9YDr
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Would anything suprise you at this point? [Eek!]

I have always felt she would be back in the picture. As a matter of fact, I would not be suprised if she is the one who holds the key to propogating the bonds. I think Rufus has kept her in a safe place...waiting for the right moment. Maybe that moment is in two weeks?

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
How twisted would things be if Sabra was on the proxy? [Eek!]


 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Would anything suprise you at this point? [Eek!]

I have always felt she would be back in the picture. As a matter of fact, I would not be suprised if she is the one who holds the key to propogating the bonds. I think Rufus has kept her in a safe place...waiting for the right moment. Maybe that moment is in two weeks?

quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
How twisted would things be if Sabra was on the proxy? [Eek!]


Do you actually believe that a proxy will be sent out or anything will change for the better for that matter. Seriously, seems just like more talk.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Well I found a very loose tie from Plano Texas to Vancouver Canada running right through the middle of Signature Stock Transfer, also known as MDM Group Inc. MDM Group Founder Peter Boonen has a pretty troubled past according to a simple google search. Several public legal battles. But appearantly he had a small tenure as Director at a Vancouver company named ImmuneNetwork where he was hired by then CEO, Allen I Bain, PhD who is now on the Board of Advisors for MDM Group.

Signature Stock Transfer out of Plano TX is a company Rufus has mentioned a few times as a very skeptical entity that has supposedly approached him once with an offer to borrow his shares, and was also brought back to the table by John Arlitt when they had a discussion about a TA change from Integrity Stock Transfer.

Here is the link to MDM Group:
http://www.mdmgroupinc.com/aboutmdm/management.php

And here is the zoominfo cashed link to the Immune Network. (notice Allen Bain name at the bottom.)
http://tinylink.com/?MkFz2BIUbA
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Ok- guys I'm back.....Listen to this.....I was at my doctor's office, & of course, my phone rang when I was "occupied"...... I just couldn't answer it while I was in the room with the doctor.....

When I checked the caller ID...guess what....that's right.....ALANA BLACK'S NUMBER!!!!

To my surprise, she left me a message.....she's said that she is looking forward to my call tomarrow.......

So I guess tomarrow we will have some answers....I hope.... [Smile]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
Jenna she called me back when I called her a few months ago.

Make a list of questions for her.

Try and get some reads from her as well.

I asked on several occasions about her gut feeling. Sometimes she gave out a clue or two.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I do have some questions lined up......

....I want to let you all know I will leave emotions out of it....... [Eek!]

Maybe I will ask her about her gut feeling...good idea Surf...she sounded very nice when she left the message....

I think it would be a good idea if another person calls her in perhaps in a few days.....someone PM'ed me & said they would do that so we could compare notes....I think it's a good idea if we get a few different views....(views isn't the right word I can't think of a better one......)
 
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
 
Thank you Jenna for all you are doing!!
 
Posted by Rhyz on :
 
And the soap opera continues, let the stock sit and quit posting in this POS. [Smile] I always wondered why this was the top rated thread all the time. Move on for the love of god. [Razz]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Stock Patrol Tied to NSS Stock Manipulation Probe
« Mr Bernstein - the CONVICTED stock MANIPULATOR (as he ADMITS on his own website!) -

is AGAIN tied to ANOTHER stock MANIPULATION probe!!

http://www.i-newswire.com/pr87603.html

(I-Newswire) - There is a company out there called StockPatrol.com which publishes a website that many investors rely on. StockPatrol acts as watchdog warning investors of allegedly bad publicly traded companies. But things may not be what they seem.

Analysts are looking at a correlation between StockPatrol’s negative reporting and waves of short-selling. What they find interesting is that there seems to be a certain pattern.

This is how the short-selling scam is suspected to work.

Selling often starts shortly before StockPatrol puts out its negative report – while a company’s stock price is still high. This brings an amount of money into the sellers’ accounts.

When StockPatrol releases its negative report, it initiates a downward momentum. The short-sellers continue to sell, reinforcing the downward trend and in the process bring in additional money.

As the panicked shareholders of the affected company try to get out of the declining stock, the stock tumbles, at which point the short-sellers quietly start buying the necessary amount of stock back to cover their short positions at a fraction of their original price.

The difference they keep as their profit. Obviously, the affected company, its management and shareholders don’t benefit from this. They are the losers.

The money the short-sellers can make on the backs of small company investors must be significant, considering that StockPatrol deals in low priced stocks where even small changes in price represent a large percentage change. Further, StockPatrol has to be aware that through its negative reporting it is actually sabotaging small company prospects, thus removing risk from shorting those companies.

An ingenious modus operandi – assured money making mechanism that is virtually risk-less.

Operating out of his multi-million dollar five bedroom apartment in midtown Manhattan with one bedroom dedicated to the StockPatrol, its sole operator, Mr. Hartley Bernstein receives no compensation for his work and dedicates his time and own money purely for the social cause of being a self-appointed watchdog of the securities markets.

StockPatrol states that its mission is to inquire, investigate, research and report on interesting, odd and unusual developments in the securities markets.

Upon closer look however, StockPatrol’s reports amount to clever derogatory innuendoes by Mr. Bernstein. He gives them a particular kind of spin. But these aren’t simply inconsequential private opinions. Mr. Bernstein has built a following and, when he makes an innuendo to bash a company, he knows it is bound to produce a negative market response.
StockPatrol does a lot of reporting. But it appears that Mr. Bernstein has never bothered to substantiate his innuendoes and has never contacted the firms he attacks. In fact, when one brave company challenged him for a public debate he simply disappeared.

Obviously, Mr. Bernstein wouldn’t be shorting himself. Shorting would have to be done through untraceable off-shore accounts and by remote parties without a direct connection to him.

But there must be one connection. Short-sellers somehow happen to know ahead of time on which companies StockPatrol is going to issue its reports. Is it a mere coincidence, or is there a friendly leak at StockPatrol?

Ingenious as it may be, shorting small cap stocks is not only wrong it is actually illegal, especially on a downward trend!

As it turns out, Mr. Bernstein actually has a background in securities scheming, deceit and lying – even perjuring himself in Court. He is no stranger to law breaking.

Mr. Hartley Bernstein is a disbarred New York attorney. He is also a convicted felon. Mr. Bernstein was found guilty of stock fraud and perjury at the U.S. District Court in New York. If you want to spend $25 you can download the indictment and conviction details.

As in organized crime cases, in this case the government used Mr. Bernstein as one of the key figures to convict the others. In exchange for his testimony against his buddies in crime, Mr. Bernstein bargained for himself a lighter sentence.

Mr. Bernstein apparently claims that he is reformed now. Notwithstanding, his background must be considered. According to a New York Times article a few years ago on Mr. Bernstein’s past, some regulators are skeptical and believe that recidivism with this type of crime is standard.

It does look odd that Mr. Bernstein is running StockPatrol – it’s like having a convicted bank robber manage a bank or having and ex child molester work in an elementary school.

Mr. Bernstein has the audacity to make up unsubstantiated innuendoes giving them his typical spin that portrays business people building companies as being somehow crooked. In reality, the crooks by enlarge come from the securities industry victimizing companies for their ends.

At a minimum, Mr. Bernstein, as well as the regulators who permit him to go on, must realize that they are responsible for effectively depressing the stock of the small companies that Mr. Bernstein denigrates through his innuendo reporting.

Don’t these small firms deserve government protection against such attacks by a convicted felon?

While there inevitably must be bad apples among small cap companies, as there are among large companies, it does not appear that the majority of the firms that Mr. Bernstein attacks have done anything wrong.

If there is any wrongdoing by the companies that Mr. Bernstein has been allowed to slander, then regulators should charge those companies. But that is not the case.

A question has to be asked, are regulators looking the other way when it comes to wrongdoing by Mr. Bernstein? If so, what is the rationale? The word on the Street is that certain regulators value Mr. Bernstein and have allowed him to carry on with his innuendo reporting “for prophylactic reasons” to keep small companies in check, so to speak.

If there is truth to this, this would bring into question the regulators’ ethics and wisdom.

What is happening is that Mr. Bernstein, acting as a quasi-governmental representative, is harming legitimate small business, undermining capital formation at the grassroots level and affecting the integrity of the small cap market. He should be investigated.

Understandably, for the regulators securing actionable evidence against someone skillful like Mr. Bernstein may not be so easy the second time around and he may represent an embarrassment. There may be however grounds for civil action by the affected companies.

Investors and executives of affected companies have been wondering for some time now whether Mr. Bernstein is just an overzealous man who acts for no other reason but to selflessly protect the investing public’s interests, or if there is a more practical side to this – Whether there is basis to suspicions that StockPatrol and its related outlets ( Stock Watchdog, Radar’s Doghouse, Stock or Schlock, The Radar Screen, Buyer Be Weary, Know Your Broker, Regulations on Patrol ) are a front for one of the biggest short-selling scams in the small cap market.

What is even more disconcerting is that everybody is afraid to talk about Mr. Bernstein out of fear of retaliation. Even news reporters are shy to explore legitimate concerns regarding Mr. Bernstein.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Jenna,

I have thought about calling her...I will do it. Ask her the some of the questions we talked about today and I will ask some of the same ones when I call. Remember how you word them so I can change my phrasing a bit.

What am I talking about...she's probably reading the boards.

Alena...nice to meet you...Do you approve of, and support the removal of Rufus Paul Harris as the CEO of CSHD; and the appointment of John Arlitt as the CEO of CSHD? If not, can you elaborate a little bit?

The answer would speak volumes...if she gives one. [Confused]

Worth a shot.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I do have some questions lined up......

....I want to let you all know I will leave emotions out of it....... [Eek!]

Maybe I will ask her about her gut feeling...good idea Surf...she sounded very nice when she left the message....

I think it would be a good idea if another person calls her in perhaps in a few days.....someone PM'ed me & said they would do that so we could compare notes....I think it's a good idea if we get a few different views....(views isn't the right word I can't think of a better one......)


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wally- that kind of thing sounds familiar- isn't that what Timothy Miles has been accused of?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Whoever wants to call should call her....

...maybe Tax should call too.... [Wink]


I won't be able to call until after 10 am.....

Good Night everyone!!!!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I will call her tomorrow or Monday.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Night....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally- that kind of thing sounds familiar- isn't that what Timothy Miles has been accused of?

Amazing how these criminals are now reformed and want to help us take care of our money. The paralell with Timothy is almost exact. Even more amazing is the legions of followers who overlook their past.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Rhyz:
And the soap opera continues, let the stock sit and quit posting in this POS. [Smile] I always wondered why this was the top rated thread all the time. Move on for the love of god. [Razz]

Cool! Do we get some kind of award for being the best? [Razz]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Whoever wants to call should call her....

...maybe Tax should call too.... [Wink]


I won't be able to call until after 10 am.....

Good Night everyone!!!!

I hear you Jenna... I have been trading these pennies for many years and I really can't tell you how many times I would have loved to have a conversation with someone from the SEC Enforcement Division. (Usually because I feel the SEC should take specific action.)
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I'm listening to the Rufus SPR show again and thought I'd throw out some interesting stuff I've heard that I don't think has been brought up.

First, a $280 million IPO...This sounded like it would be in the proxy and I assume its the other assets he was talking about bringing on. Simon and Rufus didn't really hit on this much, but Simon did ask about this being dilution. Rufus said to call it what you want, it would be justified.

Second, I know some were talking about Rufus's shares. He said on the show that he has 9 million, but they have not been converted from Wattle shares.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
An IPO? For what?

I wonder if that was how the 6 for 1 was going to be justified somehow? Maybe, wording like shareholders on th eNOBO list have the first opportunity to aquire new shares with a special warrant for 6 additional shares issueable immiediately.???
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Whoever wants to call should call her....

...maybe Tax should call too.... [Wink]


I won't be able to call until after 10 am.....

Good Night everyone!!!!

I hear you Jenna... I have been trading these pennies for many years and I really can't tell you how many times I would have loved to have a conversation with someone from the SEC Enforcement Division. (Usually because I feel the SEC should take specific action.)
Tax- you do a lot of dd- I just thought it would be funny if there were someone from each "camp" calling- was just teasing.....I promise I will be neutral......hopefully they have no case.....but we will see.....

I hope she can answer these questions, I hope she knows the answers......but it would be our luck to be more confused after we talk with her!!!

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
The biggest thing I want to know from Alana is if John is actually working with them and if there is a possibility that he can get this worked out.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I am sure she has a case. Wouldn't be much of an attourney if she couldn't make a case about the least bit of nothing. It is more a question of strength of her case. Are Witnesses credible and unbaiased? Were the alleged infractions cut and dried? Is the penalty requested fitting the proposed crime?

How does this cases strength and current legal action offset with the irrepairable damage inflicted on the company and the thousands of investors involved?

If they were wrong on any count and their case was not solid enough to reach their ultimate goal (Which I hope was restitution for the current shareholders of the supposed "pump and dump".). Then in my eyes they have failed. I feel they moved too fast. Word is they don't know where the money is. If it is not with the company and Rufus, then they just shut down a company that was not in the wrong, and penalized thousands of shareholders who trusted Alana and her team to do their job properly.

Yes I want restitution, and at this point I believe it is the SEC that owes me. [Roll Eyes] They took their shots at CSHD and Rufus and missed. The company still exists, and Rufus still runs free. I know that I will never see dime one from the SEC or our government for their in my opinion "rash" actions, but I can't help but see by the current activities of the company where the blame now lays.

So no I do not feel the need to call Alana for a plesant conversation. I would much prefer at this point to speak with her boss and get some answers from them. Why was this "shoot and a miss" allowed? [Mad] But until I am forced to cross that bridge, I will stick with writing my letters to Congress I am getting some great responses from Grassley and Roberts. [Cool] The Senate Finance Comittee may be getting ready to "fire some shots" of their own.

Oh yeah, and please leave me out of Rufus's or John's camp. I do not like either side at this point. I believe both sides are or have been in the wrong at some point, and I am rooting for recievership or "out and out" vindication. I think that will be the only way I see greater than a dime for each of my shares. Of course this is once the SEC finds the flipp'n money! [Mad]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
By the way... the reason you possibly got the impression that I was in "Rufus's camp" is because I believe he is the one who is being more truthful at this point in time.

IMO, I was not convinced that John's hiring/take over of the company was done legally the night it happened, and I still do not today. Reason? I hold certs and I did not vote for it. Without seeing a list of who voted and their current share count... I can not and will not believe it.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Sorry, Tax.....was just kidding.....

I talked to Alana...will get back to you ina few...I need to type it up.....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Tax? Do you feel better now? I didn't think so...LOl (yes I am just kidding)...

Jenna..look forward to your post!
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I am sure she has a case. Wouldn't be much of an attourney if she couldn't make a case about the least bit of nothing. It is more a question of strength of her case. Are Witnesses credible and unbaiased? Were the alleged infractions cut and dried? Is the penalty requested fitting the proposed crime?

How does this cases strength and current legal action offset with the irrepairable damage inflicted on the company and the thousands of investors involved?

If they were wrong on any count and their case was not solid enough to reach their ultimate goal (Which I hope was restitution for the current shareholders of the supposed "pump and dump".). Then in my eyes they have failed. I feel they moved too fast. Word is they don't know where the money is. If it is not with the company and Rufus, then they just shut down a company that was not in the wrong, and penalized thousands of shareholders who trusted Alana and her team to do their job properly.

Yes I want restitution, and at this point I believe it is the SEC that owes me. [Roll Eyes] They took their shots at CSHD and Rufus and missed. The company still exists, and Rufus still runs free. I know that I will never see dime one from the SEC or our government for their in my opinion "rash" actions, but I can't help but see by the current activities of the company where the blame now lays.

So no I do not feel the need to call Alana for a plesant conversation. I would much prefer at this point to speak with her boss and get some answers from them. Why was this "shoot and a miss" allowed? [Mad] But until I am forced to cross that bridge, I will stick with writing my letters to Congress I am getting some great responses from Grassley and Roberts. [Cool] The Senate Finance Comittee may be getting ready to "fire some shots" of their own.

Oh yeah, and please leave me out of Rufus's or John's camp. I do not like either side at this point. I believe both sides are or have been in the wrong at some point, and I am rooting for recievership or "out and out" vindication. I think that will be the only way I see greater than a dime for each of my shares. Of course this is once the SEC finds the flipp'n money! [Mad]

Tax...I like what you are saying. The SEC in my opinion are the ones that screwed us! Everything was fine (more or less) until the SEC got involved.

I was thinking earlier...Could the shareholders file a class action RICO lawsuit against the SEC? Anyone?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Tax? Do you feel better now? I didn't think so...LOl (yes I am just kidding)...

Jenna..look forward to your post!

10 I am so thankful that I and the few individuals... I told about CSHD did not get in deeper than we could afford to lose. (I gave them great disclaimers.) So no personally I do not feel bad. But I can read the emotion on some of these boards and yes seeing other peoples pain does make me mad. Getting to the bottom of this mess should be everyones top priority.

Rufus in my opinon has his hands tied but until his recent SPR interviews I don't think people knew just how much. While John is acting like nothing ever happened, which we all know deep down is going to come back and bite us in the a$$. I just want the SEC to do their job and save us or leave us shareholders and our risky investments alone.

It is time to quit playing, and send someone to jail. [Roll Eyes]

Disclaimer: (By someone I do not mean anyone in particular, just someone who has broken a law and deservingly so needs to face tough justice.)
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Tax...I like what you are saying. The SEC in my opinion are the ones that screwed us! Everything was fine (more or less) until the SEC got involved.

I was thinking earlier...Could the shareholders file a class action RICO lawsuit against the SEC? Anyone?

Actually Rufus and Co. screwed us by not handling this business with a specialized attorney .Rufus's DWI attorney doesn't count either ......... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Unless something has changed, I know the SEC feels like they have a good case. One of the things they talked about in court that day was this being a pump and dump. They were looking for the dump though and Bill mentioned Mike's wife having a lot of shares. I didn't think much of it until Mike posted that his wife sold 500,000 shares. I wonder how the SEC will feel about that?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
Tax...I like what you are saying. The SEC in my opinion are the ones that screwed us! Everything was fine (more or less) until the SEC got involved.

I was thinking earlier...Could the shareholders file a class action RICO lawsuit against the SEC? Anyone?

It may be easy to read that into what I was saying, but honestly I think the SEC had reason to look into CSHD. I just think they should have been more patient in their litigation so that they got it right the first time. Scrambling last minute to find the funds stolen doesn't help anyone, a matter of fact it hurts everyone. It is like a police officer fireing blindly into a crowd with a shot gun. You can only hope he gets the one or two bad guys who robbed the bank.

The SEC owes me a tax paying father of three who traded appropiately through a certified discount broker an explaination as to why their actions directly resulted in a share price plunge from $1.98 pps to $0.10 pps and there is nothing to show for it. No money for those that lost, no justice for those that stole, and no penalty for the Enforcement Division that ordered the action.

I don't plan on sueing them for my piddly losses, but I do want everyone in the room to know, "What they have done is NOT alright."
 
Posted by Spectacles on :
 
I'm new to this board,,also kind of a rookie to day/swing trading. This thread seems to get a lot of interest.???
Can anyone clarify in 20 words or less? [Smile]
 
Posted by Spectacles on :
 
Was this something too big to chaulk up to a loss and walk?
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I am sure she has a case. Wouldn't be much of an attorney if she couldn't make a case about the least bit of nothing. It is more a question of strength of her case. Are Witnesses credible and unbiased? Were the alleged infractions cut and dried? Is the penalty requested fitting the proposed crime?

How does this cases strength and current legal action offset with the irreparable damage inflicted on the company and the thousands of investors involved?

If they were wrong on any count and their case was not solid enough to reach their ultimate goal (Which I hope was restitution for the current shareholders of the supposed "pump and dump".). Then in my eyes they have failed. I feel they moved too fast. Word is they don't know where the money is. If it is not with the company and Rufus, then they just shut down a company that was not in the wrong, and penalized thousands of shareholders who trusted Alana and her team to do their job properly.

Yes I want restitution, and at this point I believe it is the SEC that owes me. [Roll Eyes] They took their shots at CSHD and Rufus and missed. The company still exists, and Rufus still runs free. I know that I will never see dime one from the SEC or our government for their in my opinion "rash" actions, but I can't help but see by the current activities of the company where the blame now lays.

So no I do not feel the need to call Alana for a pleasant conversation. I would much prefer at this point to speak with her boss and get some answers from them. Why was this "shoot and a miss" allowed? [Mad] But until I am forced to cross that bridge, I will stick with writing my letters to Congress I am getting some great responses from Grassley and Roberts. [Cool] The Senate Finance Committee may be getting ready to "fire some shots" of their own.

Oh yeah, and please leave me out of Rufus's or John's camp. I do not like either side at this point. I believe both sides are or have been in the wrong at some point, and I am rooting for receivership or "out and out" vindication. I think that will be the only way I see greater than a dime for each of my shares. Of course this is once the SEC finds the flipping money! [Mad]

Tax...I like what you are saying. The SEC in my opinion are the ones that screwed us! Everything was fine (more or less) until the SEC got involved.

I was thinking earlier...Could the shareholders file a class action RICO lawsuit against the SEC? Anyone?

"Class action RICO lawsuit against the SEC? Anyone?" WHAT ? Do you honestly believe that the SEC is the one that caused all of this? Its appears that you are saying that they shouldn't investigate what appears to be a security fraud. The reason they got involved was because of the complaints (regardless who made them) made about CSHD. They saw a CEO acting very strangely and who making outlandish statements on the radio. That is what invited the SEC to do what they did. As you know, I own lots of shares; but I can see why they entered into this. [Smile]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Unless something has changed, I know the SEC feels like they have a good case. One of the things they talked about in court that day was this being a pump and dump. They were looking for the dump though and Bill mentioned Mike's wife having a lot of shares. I didn't think much of it until Mike posted that his wife sold 500,000 shares. I wonder how the SEC will feel about that?

Could it be that they (the SEC) acted before the dump? Personally, if I was going to dump... I think it would have been better with six additional shares to each of my one. Like I said they acted too quickly. Maybe it was a sustained pump? LOL!
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
I can clarify in two words: Stay away.

A more verbose explanation is that this was trading in the low penny range, then the then(and maybe current) CEO Rufus Harris announced the ownership of billions of dollars worth of bonds. The price ran up to $4, the faded back to about $2. Then the SEC stepped in and suspended trading for 10 days while they investigated the bond claims. Then it opened back up on the grey sheets, where it's been for a few months, as the price has slowly dwindled down to where it is now.

quote:
Originally posted by Spectacles:
I'm new to this board,,also kind of a rookie to day/swing trading. This thread seems to get a lot of interest.???
Can anyone clarify in 20 words or less? [Smile]


 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Look you guys seem to want to crucify the SEC for our losses . Everyone seems to forget all the lies and excuses this company has given to the share holders .

IMO , looking back at things , the beginning of the end was when they couldn't get the 10K filed on time and CSHD became CSHDE . After that this thing really started falling apart .
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spectacles:
I'm new to this board,,also kind of a rookie to day/swing trading. This thread seems to get a lot of interest.???
Can anyone clarify in 20 words or less? [Smile]

20 words or less... how about four.

Swing trader run away.

There are no Market Makers on this stock. You would be trading blindly. GLTU
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Spectacles:
I'm new to this board,,also kind of a rookie to day/swing trading. This thread seems to get a lot of interest.???
Can anyone clarify in 20 words or less? [Smile]

How about :

"Buy the crap out of it "

"To da moon"

"We want this to go to court so it can all be on record "

"Burn shorty "

"Don't get caught with your shorts down "

"Take two weeks off and go fishing "

"The gates of vicotry are upon us "

And I could go on and on .......... [Mad]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
yes, spectacles...stay away from this one..

Tax...yes it is very upsetting to see how many people put so much $ and life into this stock...and to think that whoever was behind it could care less? It makes me sick!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Look you guys seem to want to crucify the SEC for our losses . Everyone seems to forget all the lies and excuses this company has given to the share holders .

IMO , looking back at things , the beginning of the end was when they couldn't get the 10K filed on time and CSHD became CSHDE . After that this thing really started falling apart .

Crucify? Not hardly. It is their job to attack the fraud and recover the stolen money. One person was labled in the complaint. Did they expect him to have a billion in cash under his matress? If they smelled a "pump and dump" it would have been better to have pulled in the entire group and let the pieces settle where they may.

It has been months now and they have not pointed a finger at any one other person. I for one am not happy with their involvement if they are not going to do anything but seemingly aid a bunch of people who were short in the stock.
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Well I agree with you TAX on that view . Obvisously Rufus has dealt with them before (BBAN) and knew that they weren't really going to pursue it much . I don't think CSHD has the money . I think our money went into the pockets of those who were unloading their shares on the run up to $4.00 . I'd guess that MA , Rufus , Ben and their friends / family were selling chunks (lets say 50000 at a time as a sample) at a time big enough to make money but not big enough to drive the market down .

I don't know what actions the SEC can actually take against the people involved but I do know that if the FBI is looking into it , maybe something will get done . I personally hold Rufus liable for this . He was the captain of the ship and the CSHD's largest pumper followed closely by JA & JP .
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
The complaint was written (in summary) as such:

We think CSHD and Rufus committed fraud.
Mr. Judge could you please:
1. Stop Rufus from being CEO, Hault the trading of this stock indefinitely, give us time to investigate and if we find reason order both parties to pay damages.

Or:
2. Stop Rufus from being CEO, give us time to investigate and if we find reason order both parties to pay damages.

Or:
3. Give us time to investigate and if we find reason order both parties to pay damages.

******************
And then the federal judge took one look at what ever Rufus handed him and said I'll grant you number 3 and you have this long to look into it.

Then Rufus and CSHD signed the Default Judgement saying they would not break any SEC laws and it was over. With everyone refusing to fight the allegations.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Honestly if this is how the legal system works in these situations, I think the SEC just showed thousands of penny investors how to commit fraud, steal thousands of dollars, and get away scott free.

I hope the FBI digs something up. I know from looking into "toxic financing" a bit yesterday it is enough to make your head spin.
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
I'm a realizing that 99% of these penny stocks are scams to begin with . Rufus & Ben learned alot from the BBAN deal and figured out how to make alot of money scamming a few thousand suckers out of their money . He took about $8000.00 from me . It sucks but I really feel bad for the fools that invested all their life savings into this POS . Rufus doesn't even seem to give a rats a$$ either . That shows me what kind of person he really is .
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
I'm a realizing that 99% of these penny stocks are scams to begin with . Rufus & Ben learned alot from the BBAN deal and figured out how to make alot of money scamming a few thousand suckers out of their money . He took about $8000.00 from me . It sucks but I really feel bad for the fools that invested all their life savings into this POS . Rufus doesn't even seem to give a rats a$$ either . That shows me what kind of person he really is .

This is where we disagree... but to each their own. If it was Rufus I think they would have him by now. I think someone took your money, I am just on the fence about who it was. I just don't think it was him.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Sorry, Tax.....was just kidding.....

I talked to Alana...will get back to you ina few...I need to type it up.....

Jenna?
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
I'm not saying Rufus took it personally but I'm sure through some channel a portion of it ended up in his pocket . This was a P&D . We all witnessed the pump side . Now we must find the dump side . One thing is for sure , the messier this gets , the more info comes out and the more finger pointing happens . Rufus and MA are the keys here . I'm sure both have plenty of dirt on each other . Lets just see if they continue to tattle tell on each other or not .
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Ms. Black was very nice....She explained that she could only tell me what is already public knowledge via the court documents. She did say they have a man that is taking phone calls from concerned shareholders...his name is John....I do have his number....I will PM it to anyone that wants it....She said she deals more with witnesses & evidence.....& John answers shareholders questions. Here is the gist of our conversation....I do not want to put her answers in quotes being that I just took notes & it would not be her exact words......

*************************************************

Jenna: "How is the investigation going?"

Ms. Black:

-Both parties need lawyers, neither the company or Mr. Harris have attorneys.....

- currently in default process- not the same as entry or default judgement.....

-Judge needs to be shown proof

*************************************************

Jenna: "There are questions about who the CEO really is....Rufus is claining that he is the rightful CEO..."

Ms. Black:

-Great Question.
-Someone has to review the companies bylaws.
-SEC is not looking into that at this time.
-If Mr. Arlitt gets a lawyer to represent the company, that means it's up to the companies lawyer to make sure John is the legal CEO....The lawyer would have to confirm it through the bylaws of the company.

*************************************************

Jenna: "Is John Arlitt working with the SEC, is he frequently in contact with you?"

Ms. Black:

-unfortunatley can't comment on who they are working with or communicating with regarding the case.

*************************************************

Jenna: "Is the FBI currently involved in the investigation?"

Ms. Black:

- can't comment, but frequently do involove other government agencies during investigations

*************************************************

Jenna: "Are there any other individuals being investigated regarding Conversion Solutions?"

Ms. Black:

-can't comment but Rufus is the only one named in compliant...He is named in complaint because the SEC is confident they have enough evidence to point to fraud. The default needs to be answered by an attorney before this can move on...

*************************************************

Jenna: "Do you know of anything new on Pacers or anything that may be coming out on Pacer's soon?"

Ms. Black:

-we don't know it until it comes out....we have nothing on our side- if something comes out on Pacers it would be from the other side....

*************************************************

Jenna: "One of the times you were all in court Rufus handed the judge a sealed envelope are you now aware of what is in it?"

Ms. Black:

-envelope was entered as one of many exibits by Rufus Harris....he was entering them himself, as evidence, because there was no attorney present...the judge told him this would be the last time he could speak for himself....in the future, he would need an attorney....the envelope contained some codes....he did not want these entered as public exibits because if someone had these codes they could change ownership ...she said she could share this with me because it is a matter of public record....

*************************************************

Jenna: "We just want this over- we want whoever is responsible to be prosecuted- if there was a fraud committed......what happens if you do find fraud - how would we get our money back?"

Ms. Black:

- SEC's goal is to provide relief monitarily...
- the SEC sets up a fund - any money recovered will get distributed....

*************************************************

Jenna: "IF, in fact, you find Rufus has comitted fraud - How anything could be recovered if he has his assets in a trust..."

Ms Black:

-having assets in trust doesn't necessarily mean it can't be touched.

*************************************************

Jenna: "We (the shareholders) are tired & just want this done....we hope that the SEC is in this to protect us..."

Ms Black:

-Our lives are on the line- our reputations are on the line..

- they wouldn't risk there lives & livelyhood to make something up

- they believe they have a case & would not pursue it if they didn't....

*************************************************

Jenna: "There are 2 bonds named in the complaint does that mean the other assests are not being looked at & that they are not fraudulent?"

Ms. Black:

-just becausse something is not in the complaint doesn't mean it's not being looked at...

- the SEC is looking at all the assets that are claimed

*************************************************

Jenna: "If Mr. Arlitt obtains new assets & does not include the old assets would that get the company in compliance or end the investigation of the company?"

Ms. Black:

- that's would have to be talked about when the case is opened up again....first he needs a lawyer & then these things can be discussed

*************************************************

Jenna: "Can you work with John Arlitt?"

Ms. Black:

-"That's a tricky situation...."

-Corp. needs an attorney....

- The attorneys duty to find out if John is the CEO.....Then the attorney needs to file a Notice of Appearance....

*************************************************

Jenna: "What does the company have to do to get compliant?"

Ms. Black:

"First, get an attorney."

*************************************************

Jenna: "Are you filing charges against Rufus?"

Ms. Black:

"The charges are in the complaint - those are the charges."

*************************************************

As far as a proxy vote goes....she said that she can't comment on that for the company ...she doesn't know anything about it...I was asking her a general question like who can distribute a proxy.....

Ms. Black was extremely nice & a classy woman....She sounded like she genuinely cared for the shareholders....I told her I belonged to a website & that we all had these questions... she also said if anyone else has any more concern & want to talk about it to call John at the SEC office....like I said I would be glad to give his number via PM.....The reason for that is I feel if I post his number he will be bombarded with calls all at once....if I give it via PM maybe it will reduce the volume of calls....

I hope these Questions & Answers helped....it looks like we still aren't 100% sure who our CEO is.....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I think it was a book worth of information... Jenna are you on the phone with the publisher? [Big Grin]

Ooops there it is!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Thanks Jenna...good job...!
you stated..."it looks like we still aren't 100% sure who our CEO is....."

Answer was? Get an attorney...first step to everything...AND no one has done it..not JA, not Rufas, not MA...hmmm...
according to what Jenna just posted? Sounds like "the Sec" is done until the company and Rufas respond...with a lawyer...what better way to bide time than ignore it? What's that saying? if you ignor something it will go away?
Sounds like a very simple plan to me...
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Jenna rules!

Glad we got that all cleared up... [Roll Eyes]

So basically, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has happened in months due to no one feeling the need to get an attorney?

Nice...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
10 I heard the same thing by reading what Jenna wrote but my interpretation is a bit different.

I read currently we do not have a CEO, and the first one to get a lawyer and prove their right to CEO wins the prize of answering the default.

Now also with that being said I did not get from that conversation that Rufus had to go through the step of filing a Notice of Appearance. It sounded to me that that was a step for John if he can prove his right to CEO.

It also tells me that the PR's and Filings from CSHD since Default entry are not entirely legal since the company has not been fully granted to John.

Oh yeah GREAT job Jenna! [Wink]
 
Posted by Spectacles on :
 
Thanks for the info,,Good lesson,,Time marches on
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Right Tax..BUT Rufas must still GET a LAWYER...to do anything(at least in court...proxy or other)...
AND, as it stands, with out a Lawyer to go in for JA? JA doesn't have squat...AND? maybe that was why the lawyer that was PR'd has now stepped down? He said that JA was NOT the CEO...(just a thought)

Well? Sounds like everyone...CEOS current, past and present...are choosing do do NOTHING!

The only option would be if the shareholders all pulled together and filed to "force" company to move forward...
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Additionally, this basically confirms 90% of what Rufus was saying on SPR the other night.

His hands are tied, he most likely will not be CEO when all is said and done. He doesn't know how John is doing what he is doing but until he makes an appearance in court and opens the default he is not considered CEO.

Also a law firm was mentioned by IM and repeated through Simon to Rufus that caught Rufus a bit off guard at how someone knew their name. Did ANYONE catch the name of the firm?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
We agree 10... Rufus could just sit back at this point and ignore things, but I think the investigation that is ongoing is going to make that difficult.

Rufus had said there will be movement soon... (and I hope he is not just talking about the launch of the arms system) ...so I guess we watch Pacer and look for an eventual proxy. Until things have to be taken in our own hands. (Which I am sure I will probably never participate in. I just don't have that much "care" in me to go to bat for the money I risked here. I don't beat up the pit boss when I play the hard eight and lose.)
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
HSM thanks Jenna for her good work with the questions she asked Ms. Black! Paltalk thanks you too!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LOL..hey Jenna...looks like your post may have made the PPS rise! up 20%...whooo hooo...LOL
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Nice job Jenna.

Well this does confirm a few things. Rufus stated on SPR some of the same things that Alana stated. For JA to take over it must be in accordance with the bylaws of the corporation. Rufus has stated on more than one occassion that the bylaws of the corporation were not followed. Secondly, They need an attorney to open the default with the court system before anything can move forward, hence Rufus stating to watch PACER.

I'm not a camp person. So I'm for or against either JA or Rufus, just want the proper person in charge to do the right thing and move forward. As 10 pointed out JA did retain legal counsel for a short time and if I remember the DD from that time, they were not Securities Lawyers. Hence the very distinct possibility that they were brought in to look at the legality of the takeover. They severed relationship with the company shortly after being hired.

I've stated before and still believe that in order for JA to take control it would take him going to court, that has not happened per Alana. Also the question of him working with the SEC to resolve this matter, IMO, is a resounding NO. Even though Alana stated she could not comment on who they were working with she stated very clearly that the first step was to hire an attorney which has not been done to her knowledge.

To be honest, I am very surprised that she commented as much as she did, IMO, it's very unusual but then what hasn't been unusual with this stock.

IMO, JA can PR all he wants but until the default is answered in court it's a waste of time and paper. Rufus can flap his jaws all he wants but until an attorney opens the default via the court systems it's a waste of hot air.

Yet, if believe one or the other at this time, would you believe the person going to Germany to make deals or the one who stated watch PACER? PACER seems more relevant at this time, IMVHO.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Thanks Jenna!

Hasn't the "rumor" been that JA is "working with the SEC to get things resolved"? How is he doing this without a lawyer? This, imo, makes him out to be lying.

By the way, I'm not in anybody's "camp". I keep going back and forth on who is the "bad guy".
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
I can't help but like the part about the sealed envelope...If it was evidence and the codes to the bonds as mentioned and found to be fraudulent don't you think we would have heard something already? But if they checked out...end of story (or at least that part).

Stay tuned.

oh ya...THANKS JENNA...
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Thanks Jenna for the update ........ Ms. Blacks statements make perfect sense to me and that means everyone in the CSHD camp is full of $hit .
 
Posted by humble on :
 
To the question of who might be CEO, here are relevant sections from the CSHD/Furia bylaws:

"The business and affairs of this corporation shall be managed by its Board of Directors, no less than one in number or such other minimum number as is required by law. The directors need not be residents of this state or stockholders in the corporation. They shall be elected by the stockholders of the corporation or in the case of a vacancy by remaining directors, and each director shall be elected for the term of one year, and until his successor shall be elected and shall qualify or until his earlier resignation or removal.

RESIGNATION AND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member ,the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

SPECIAL MEETINGS: The President, or the Board of Directors may call special meetings of the stockholders at any time, or stockholders entitled to cast at least one-fifth of the votes, which all stockholders are entitled to cast at the particular meeting. At any time, upon written request of any person or persons who have duly called a special meeting, it shall be the duty of the Secretary to fix the date of the meeting, to be held not more than sixty days after receipt of the request, and to give due notice thereof. If the Secretary shall neglect or refuse to fix the date of the meeting and give notice thereof, the person or persons calling the meeting may do so. Business transacted at all special meetings shall be confined to the objects stated in the call and matters germane thereto, unless all stockholders entitled to vote are present and consent.

CONSENT IN LIEU OF MEETINGS: Any action required to be taken at any annual or special meeting of stockholders of a corporation, or any action which may be taken at any annual or special meeting of such stockholders, may be taken without a meeting, without prior notice and without a vote, if a consent in writing, setting forth the action so taken, shall be signed by the holders of outstanding stock having not less than the minimum number of votes that would be necessary to authorize or take such action at a meeting at which all shares entitled to vote thereon were present and voted. Prompt notice of the taking of the corporate action without a meeting by less than unanimous written consent shall be given to those stockholders who have not consented in writing.

The Board of Directors shall fill any vacancy occurring in any office of the corporation by death, resignation, and removal or otherwise. Vacancies and newly created directorships resulting from any increase in the authorized number of directors may be filled by a majority of the directors then in office, although less than a quorum, or by a sole remaining director. If at any time, by reason of death or resignation or other cause, the corporation should have no directors in office, then any officer or any stockholder or an executor, administrator, trustee or guardian of a stockholder, or other fiduciary entrusted with like responsibility for the person or estate of a stockholder, may call a special meeting of stockholders in accordance with the provisions of these By-Laws.
"

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

In the bylaws, there is a description of how exactly directors and officers can be removed and appointed and by whom that contains enough legalese to make it hard to interpret. That being said, in my layman's understanding of what is written and appears to be pertinent, it appears that shareholders "holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation" can, in fact, remove board directors. appoint directors and do so without an announced Special Meeting. They would use the "Consent" clause.

From the Nov 27th PR about Arlitt taking over:

"The execution of this Consent, which may be accomplished in counterparts, shall constitute a written waiver of any notice required by the Delaware Business Corporation Act or this corporation's Articles of Incorporation and Bylaws."

Obviously Arlitt is counting on this clause to substantiate his assertion. By doing so he is implying that he obtained "consent in writing" from the aforementioned majority.

So back to the BIG question - who holds the legitimate majority of shares in CSHD and did they participate by signature (in writing) in the action taken by consent?

There are other little things that are specified as requirements but I am going under the assumption the Arlitt covered these fairly well. If Rufus is alluding to a minor technical breach of the bylaws he may have a tougher debate than if the majority participation question is the basis for his claim that he is still CEO.

-In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wally- I just wanted to clear something up....

When Ms. Black & I spoke of "working with" I believe she considered that working toward a solution or working on a deal.....talking to & working with are different - at least that was the idea I got.....not sure could be wrong but she did say they are speaking with a lot of people just couldn't say who.....


Guys- if you don't mind I'm going to "punch out"...I need to take care of my girls......

I'll answer my PM's later .....I'm sorry guys I just feel like I've been ignoring my children so far today (I feel guilty).....

Love you all.....Jenna
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I am pretty sure the majority participation question is all he needs.

He explained with great confidence that MA did not have his 50 Million preferd shares.

Question on how many real or fake shares were delivered to friends and family and toxic financers over the years as CEO. But Rufus did point out his name was not even on the NOBO which begs the question of whether it would be on the OBO?

I don't know but neither has a lawyer so it makes no diference either way.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
By the way - Humble thanks for digging up that info....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
By the way - Humble thanks for digging up that info....

Jenna, Go take care of your girls. It will be a while before anything happens. Turn off the computer for the weekend and enjoy the little things in life that we can all treasure.

Thanks again for your efforts.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I just got caught up...great job everyone! I can tell you this before I go into yet another meeting. Take this FWIW…I know you will.

I have asked John about the legality of the removal of Rufus and the appointment of himself on several occasions (pretty much every time we talk). He always tells me that they went over everything with a fine toothed comb and there is no question as to the validity of the change in CEO's.

I also was told that they used MA's and DP's lawyers from their own companies to look over the legal documentation. They are very comfortable that they have followed the letter of the law.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
St Matt?
Not for or against...BUT? Do you really think they would say that they hadn't followed the law?

Next time you speak with JA could you ask about the lawyer to answer the SEC stuff and get this trading on a new platform? You know the new filings and getting an MM...blah blah blah
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
From what I hear, MA's preferred shares only existed if the merger was defaulted. I think MA's camp is saying that the merger was defaulted when MA took back over the company. Rufus is saying the merger is a done deal. What about the S4 or whatever the sec filing is that finished the merger, or is that filing for something else? To contradict some of this, I believe that MA said that he would be moving to cancel the merger...this sure sounds like he thinks the merger is still a go.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Jenna...great job and thanks for sharing!

The call sounded much like the one I had with Alana several months ago. Jenna asked much better questions though.

The thing that stuck out with my call and hasn't seemed to change is that the next step for anything to happen is for the company to get a lawyer. I read this like many others here that JA hasn't been working with the SEC. If he is working with them, it seems like it might only be on the basis of providing info against Rufus, not actually trying to get CSHD cleared. IMHO of course!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
St. Matt ~ Great... Then in as civil tone as I can muster... next time you talk to him. Tell John to take those lawyers over to Atlanta and prove things to the SEC and the Federal Judge. Because there is alot more "letter of the law" to be followed according to the SEC Attourney.

And sorry but until that happens I can tell you what your last "FWIW" post is really worth...

PR's, Filings, Radio Interviews, rumors, hearsay, "I just heard's" and official tut comments on HSM are a joke until that happens and is on Pacer.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
When is he getting back from Germany anyway?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Honestly I don't care who is CEO at this point as long as they got a lawyer and can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that they were legally voted in by a true majority of shareholders.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Let's vote in Jeffery Skilling Ex-Enron CEO! He may be bad, but last time I checked he had an attorney.

Honestly what could it hurt... maybe add a couple of years to his vacation at "Club Fed".
 
Posted by Sandusky on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
When is he getting back from Germany anyway?

Maybe he doesn't plan to come back.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
double post
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I saw this over on HSM... and was rolling out of my chair... Had to share! Let's go get'em guys!

 -

Is tht Rufus going after the SEC?
Sandusky...does this count as 1 shot?
[Big Grin]

I had to see this picture one more time before the weekend to make me smile...

Go get'em Rufie! Or is that John?


 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Well, judging by the comments Rufus was making on SPR im thinking MA and JA have had no intentions of settling anything in court. Ive been saying for over a week now that IMO JA has not been doing a whole lot about the problems at hand. Rufus made the comment that they should just go into court and state their case "Bawk! Bawk!". To ME that sounded like Rufus feels they are afraid to go into court. He WANTS them to go through the courts, i wonder why theyre not. Alana Blacks comments to Jenna almost appear to confirm just what Rufus was saying on SPR IMO.

So, instead of handling the courts (especially regarding who is the friggin CEO) JA is over in Europe working on some "mystery deal". I sure hope he isnt using company money (if any is left) to make this trip because no matter what kind of deal he makes over there it means NOTHING to us if he is not an officer of our company.

Im not trying to fit into a "camp" anymore either but those of you that bashed the crap out of Rufus for not handling the court case should be pretty disappointed in what Alana told Jenna today. Until i hear that John Arlitt and/or Michael Alexander walk their happy butts into that federal courthouse im gonna continue to wonder why not?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Is there anything in Euroclear which states the physical bonds may be withdrawn in person by the owners representative if needed for legal purposes? The SEC has no authority outside the US but if John is able to borrow the physical bonds, bring them back here, prove ownership to the SEC, and then return them to Euroclear...maybe that's what's going on?

I admit I know nothing about the bond process. I'm just speculating on additional reasons JA may be globetrotting.
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
Really nice work Jenna. Direct questions with direct responses. Rufus should take lessons.

It's really difficult to figure out what motivates any of the players anymore. Arlitt and Rufus give the lip service that they're looking out for the shareholders, but their reckless, cryptic and secretive actions prove otherwise.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Guys, I've been banned from HSM!!!!!! I didn't even do anything!!!! There wasn't even a reason.....WEIRD.....People asked me about the talk with Alana & I answered a few questions....nothing different than said here....What the heck???????
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Guys, I've been banned from HSM!!!!!! I didn't even do anything!!!! There wasn't even a reason.....WEIRD.....People asked me about the talk with Alana & I answered a few questions....nothing different than said here....What the heck???????

It's weird and makes me question the integrity of the HSM board, which I had a pretty low opinion of to begin with.

People get banned at allstocks for peculiar and unjust reasons too...

I suspect if you contest they'll reinstate you. I think the moderators at HSM are a little quick to react, generally speaking though. Not the greatest place for dialogue, particularly negative dialogue.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
But- someone pulled my interview post over there & I went to read it.....I said hi to a few people - they started to ask me about Alana & that was it....I didn't even say anything negative about anyone - that's the weird part....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Looks like from what I was reading? you might have gotten booted because you and St. Matt had admitted to speaking with Arlitt...and it seems that HSM will not let people post that may have "inside info"...
that is just what I am thinking...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
OH- I see....ok- makes sense....

Did I say that or did Matt say that?

I don't remember posting that....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
But- someone pulled my interview post over there & I went to read it.....I said hi to a few people - they started to ask me about Alana & that was it....I didn't even say anything negative about anyone - that's the weird part....

I wouldn't worry too much about it. I will dirty myself and read a few pages there once in a while but stopped posting long ago. There are too many agendas there and they see enemies where there are none. If you had belonged to the right clique you would have been a herione. Just think you can save on water now, instead of showering everytime you throw pearls to the swine.

Some people worry about the fantasy in their mind more than actually using the grey matter to at least attempt to decipher the truth. As I've stated many times it lies somewhere between what Rufus is saying and what John, Mike and Dave are saying.

I do agree with CAT, if John, Mike and Dave were actually trying to move the company forward, the default in the court systems would have been the first, actually the second, order of business the first being HIRE an SEC Attorney. As far as John taking any money from the company, I don't think he has the access to it. I think the banking institutions would require a bit of documentation in order to release funds, more than stating I ws proclaimed the CEO.

If I remember correctly when the take over happened, the only Board members were Rufus and Romeo. Rufus stated he talked to Romeo in December, which would have been after the SHC's action. I still think that there are legalities involved here, if not, I believe Alana Black would not have had a problem stating who the CEO was. She stated that it depended on the bylaws of the corporation. Sounds like more legal fees that will end up comming out of the company coffers, that's if there is any money there to begin with.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
[Eek!] Moderator
Moderator




Join Date: Nov 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by padutch40
it's a shame.....some are here to get the board shut down....

BTW....love your posts

I could write you a book on the subject and we could even write a play about all these happenings. You wanna know the truth and nothing but the truth?? Yes some people on here want me to shut this thread down and you would be surprised who. Just connect the dots Look at who I ban , when and why of course you will never know. Much bigger than any of us and backed by big money . These are huge Corps who have a vested interest to shut it down. Like give me a break. A recorded break with Alanna Black of the SEC.Now people give your heads a shake and if you do not believe me, ask your lawyer what he/she/it policy is on posting of a confidential conversation on the dam internet. Wake up and think what this is all about. For god sake, now you know just one of the dozens of calls i have to make , why i ban and delete. Would you want your convesation with a lawyer posted on the Internet. ??No different than this so called friend Jenna posted. So stop asking stupid questions when it is common sence. That's it , I am outta here for the weekend


U been bad Jenna! Go sit in the corner! [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Where art thou Romeo........

I missed Rufus mentioning Romeo but thats an interesting name to hear after all this time. Hes pretty much the only officer, past and present, that appears to have a totally clean slate. In fact, from what i can tell his slate is nearly non-existent.

If you look at various filings, in most cases there is a short blurb about what they have done and what their expertise is...but i dont recall one for Romeo.

Look at this one for example.....

http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?Sessio nID=rcTBjNVjuQkrdhR&ID=4705196

Not only did they leave off his "blurb", he isnt listed as owning any "Restricted common shares", although the other officers have theirs listed.

I find the stuff with Romeo interesting because i recall a time when it was thought that maybe he could be in line for CEO. Since im having a rough time DDing him im not sure why it seemed like a good idea but i do recall something like that.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
P.S. to Cat,
You could have included that Romeo's name is not mentioned until pg.42 [Razz]
Or did I miss something else?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
[Eek!] Moderator
Moderator




Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,141 You are so darn right

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
Originally Posted by padutch40
it's a shame.....some are here to get the board shut down....

BTW....love your posts

I could write you a book on the subject and we could even write a play about all these happenings. You wanna know the truth and nothing but the truth?? Yes some people on here want me to shut this thread down and you would be surprised who. Just connect the dots Look at who I ban , when and why of course you will never know. Much bigger than any of us and backed by big money . These are huge Corps who have a vested interest to shut it down. Like give me a break. A recorded break with Alanna Black of the SEC.Now people give your heads a shake and if you do not believe me, ask your lawyer what he/she/it policy is on posting of a confidential conversation on the dam internet. Wake up and think what this is all about. For god sake, now you know just one of the dozens of calls i have to make , why i ban and delete. Would you want your convesation with a lawyer posted on the Internet. ??No different than this so called friend Jenna posted. So stop asking stupid questions when it is common sence. That's it , I am outta here for the weekend


U been bad Jenna! Go sit in the corner! [Eek!] [Eek!]

LOL I am proud of you Jenna!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
P.S. to Cat,
You could have included that Romeo's name is not mentioned until pg.42 [Razz]
Or did I miss something else?

Youve lost me on that one [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
You go Momma Tell him!!!

Surfer- That moderator is sooo dumb- Alana said she was telling me things that are public knowledge...anything she told me could be found in Pacers....

I guess I've been a BAD girl!!!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
P.S. to Cat,
You could have included that Romeo's name is not mentioned until pg.42 [Razz]
Or did I miss something else?

Youve lost me on that one [Smile]
The link you brought up for Romeo not getting a "blurb" His name isn't mentioned until pg.42 and then again several pages down.
Just teasing ya.I went thru all the pages!! As everyone knows by now, I'm just a crazy old lady!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
You go Momma Tell him!!!

Surfer- That moderator is sooo dumb- Alana said she was telling me things that are public knowledge...anything she told me could be found in Pacers....

I guess I've been a BAD girl!!!

Bad girl Jenna, go to your room!!!! [Wink]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Thanks for bringing that link up again.

I find it intersting because the company we are all talking about is Conversion Solutions, a Delaware Corporation, The bylaws that pertain are under this corporation and not the bylaws of FHAL. Read the following from the 10K that was filed.

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member ,the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

No where does it state that a private meeting by the shareholders committee had this authority. It says a Special meeting of shareholders called for that purpose.

I believe what we have is Mike and John using the bylaws under Furia/FHAL and not CVSU. I did go over to HSM because of Jenna's getting banned to see what may have happened but never got to that point. Someone reposted Mike's post under the name of BODI. He states that he believes that the merger can be undone, well that means that at this time the merger is still in force.

this maybe legal technicalities but as they say the devil is in the details.

CAT, the reason you won't find much on Romeo is because he is in Europe, and I believe always has been.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Dang Jenna...I didn't know you were one of the big Corps backed by big money. How about sharing a little of that with us [Big Grin] .
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good catch Wally,
See I didn't notice , just kept looking for Romeo's name.

Good link,Cat.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
You go Momma Tell him!!!

Surfer- That moderator is sooo dumb- Alana said she was telling me things that are public knowledge...anything she told me could be found in Pacers....

I guess I've been a BAD girl!!!

You know what was really ironic? When going through the pages someone had posted the old I knos someone who knows something and it had to do with the SEC investigation JA. All innuendo but nothing happened to that post. No trouble no nothing. I guess getting information from a source that isn't anonymous is a nono but posting information that can never be corroborated is fine. Like I said Jenna, NOT TO WORRY. Anyway your mother took care of it and sent you to your room. Now spend sometime with your girls and leave the computer alone. Heck, if I had any semblence of a life I'd do it.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
So Mike is back over on HSM posting as Bodi? I've got some questions for him. Wonder if I'll be next to get booted [Big Grin] ?
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Tax, did you ever get the law firm's name that Simon brought up with Rufus?

Well, I listened to the interview yet again and pulled it out. I'm not sure of the spelling, but it sounded like Ballor (pronounced like valor as in uncommon valor). I looked it up under several spellings and found nothing. I tried to tie it in with Ribotsky and came up with nothing again. Simon said it was a high level law firm that had dealings with Cory Ribotsky.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Just looking over the merger agreement...I'm trying to find the section about Mike's preferred shares.

Anyway, I found Dave Perley's name on the final sign off sheet. FHAL has Mike, Randy, and Dave. Dave is listed as the Operations Manager.

FWIW...
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Well, I can't say that I read all of the merger agreement, but I searched it pretty well. I can't find anything in there about Mike's preferred shares or what amount of shares he would end up with after the merger. I was pretty sure it was in there though.

The reason I started looking was due to this post I found on HSM

Bodi (mike alexander):
I never gave up my preferred shares...Rufus offered to buy them in 100,000 million dollar blocks...there are other shareholders out there he promised $50.00 per share and up...within 6 months...I converted them prior to the 6-1 date...for obvious reasons...
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Dang, why didn't somebody tell me that its Friday night and I should be doing something else. Too much talking amongst myself [Big Grin] .

Goodnight all!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Can anyone here read arabic? [Smile]

http://indexsignal.com/vb/showthread.php?t=53320&page=68
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Well, I can't say that I read all of the merger agreement, but I searched it pretty well. I can't find anything in there about Mike's preferred shares or what amount of shares he would end up with after the merger. I was pretty sure it was in there though.

The reason I started looking was due to this post I found on HSM

Bodi (mike alexander):
I never gave up my preferred shares...Rufus offered to buy them in 100,000 million dollar blocks...there are other shareholders out there he promised $50.00 per share and up...within 6 months...I converted them prior to the 6-1 date...for obvious reasons...

See now we know that this isn't true. It wasn't until after things started to go south that the first mention of Mike converting his preferred to common in order to take over the company first came out. If he had already done it it would not have been mentioned.

GLTA
Wally

Oh sorry no arbaic here
 
Posted by humble on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Thanks for bringing that link up again.

I find it intersting because the company we are all talking about is Conversion Solutions, a Delaware Corporation, The bylaws that pertain are under this corporation and not the bylaws of FHAL. Read the following from the 10K that was filed.

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member ,the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

No where does it state that a private meeting by the shareholders committee had this authority. It says a Special meeting of shareholders called for that purpose.

I believe what we have is Mike and John using the bylaws under Furia/FHAL and not CVSU. I did go over to HSM because of Jenna's getting banned to see what may have happened but never got to that point. Someone reposted Mike's post under the name of BODI. He states that he believes that the merger can be undone, well that means that at this time the merger is still in force.

this maybe legal technicalities but as they say the devil is in the details.

CAT, the reason you won't find much on Romeo is because he is in Europe, and I believe always has been.

GLTA
Wally

If, in fact, these are the bylaws of Conversion Solutions, then you may have hit on something more than a technicality. I recently posted the Furia bylaws related to Director removal believing that these were the same bylaws relevant to Conversion Solutions because of the buy-out. If the Conversion Solutions bylaws excluded that clause about "consent in lieu" then that would close the loophole that would allow shareholders to implement emergency acion without an official Special Meeting. If that is the case, we have a HUGE topic of debate. In essence, the type of shareholder action being relied upon by Arlitt would not be legally allowed.

Let's confirm that the bylaws posted by Wally take precedent over the Furia bylaws I posted earlier and the Consent clause is not in there as it was for Furia. I would love to apologize for the error.

Of course the question is moot if the merger was never completed. Could that be the almighty difference between the camps? It seems that corporate governance rules AND sharecounts may depend on this question - was the merger ever completed and is it possible to undo as a result of unfulfilled obligations? Clearly Rufus believes it was irreversibly consumated based on several comments on SPR. Thoughts?

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Dang Jenna...I didn't know you were one of the big Corps backed by big money. How about sharing a little of that with us [Big Grin] .

I wasn't sure if he was implying that of me or not- that's hysterical.....

If I'm one of those big Corps backed by big money I think I will fund CSHD & get us the hell out of this mess!
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Can anyone here read arabic? [Smile]

http://indexsignal.com/vb/showthread.php?t=53320&page=68

Here is the site translated

http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Findexsignal.com%2Fvb%2Fshow thread.php%3Ft%3D53320%26page%3D68&langpair=ar%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev =%2Flanguage_tools
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Not sure how "reliable" this is...but this site still has Rufas Paul harris as CEO

http://otcbb.com/profiles/cshd.htm
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I need to get to bed but something we haven't discussed to much.....

The new DTCC Platform that Rufus was talking about.....

Has anyone thought about what that could do to the PPS if that's going to create a short squeeze?

Do you guys think that has anything to do with the PPS rising the last few days?

Also, how are they going to enforce this? How will they get the shorts to "pay up"?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
10,
I checked your link out, it appears on the first page as RPH being ceo, the date is in july.
If you click on cshd, it brings up "current" pr's .
Check out the tranlation link from above.
It is a cshd board from Kuwait, some of the wording sounds familar.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I need to get to bed but something we haven't discussed to much.....

The new DTCC Platform that Rufus was talking about.....

Has anyone thought about what that could do to the PPS if that's going to create a short squeeze?

Do you guys think that has anything to do with the PPS rising the last few days?

Also, how are they going to enforce this? How will they get the shorts to "pay up"?

I think we are all going to have to "wait and see"
Sounds too complicated for me.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Momma - I'm proud of you tonight!!! You are translating & everything!!! [Big Grin]


Kisses----


Good Night All....

May you have:

Champagne Wishes & Cavair Dreams!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Mama...that "july date"...it's just the date that they took the share structure from...

I do not "get that" translation link...what is that all about?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
10, I found this on the OTCBB site....

Contacting an OTCBB Issuer

OTCBB issuers are not required to maintain current address or contact information with The Nasdaq Stock Market, Inc. or the NASD; however, this information is available for many OTCBB issuers. The Stock Summaries, available on-line, contains the trading symbol, name, and annual summary trading statistics for every security quoted on the OTCBB as of December 31st of the year you select. The summary also includes address, phone number, and company contact information when it is available.
*************************************************

10, I guess they are not required to update it which is kinda dumb......If they were required to them maybe we'd know who the CEO was.....

Will the real CEO please stand up?......Anyone?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Ok- really good night- I think I'm not going to be back until Tues....got a big weekend & a few doctor's appt.'s on Mon.....I'll miss you guys...(I know there a few people out there saying - thank goodness- she's outta here for a few days)!!! [Wink]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Night Jenna ,

10, Cat posted a link earlier and asked if anyone could speck arabic, I don't know why or how he found this , but I put the translation out there as an answer. Decided to read a little bit of it, entertaining. It's boardmembers talking on their version of allstocks.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Thanks Ocqueoc!!!
Going to bed also...Sleep well all
Jenna? I bet you can't! LOL
[Wink]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Thanks for bringing that link up again.

I find it intersting because the company we are all talking about is Conversion Solutions, a Delaware Corporation, The bylaws that pertain are under this corporation and not the bylaws of FHAL. Read the following from the 10K that was filed.

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member ,the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

No where does it state that a private meeting by the shareholders committee had this authority. It says a Special meeting of shareholders called for that purpose.

I believe what we have is Mike and John using the bylaws under Furia/FHAL and not CVSU. I did go over to HSM because of Jenna's getting banned to see what may have happened but never got to that point. Someone reposted Mike's post under the name of BODI. He states that he believes that the merger can be undone, well that means that at this time the merger is still in force.

this maybe legal technicalities but as they say the devil is in the details.

CAT, the reason you won't find much on Romeo is because he is in Europe, and I believe always has been.

GLTA
Wally

If, in fact, these are the bylaws of Conversion Solutions, then you may have hit on something more than a technicality. I recently posted the Furia bylaws related to Director removal believing that these were the same bylaws relevant to Conversion Solutions because of the buy-out. If the Conversion Solutions bylaws excluded that clause about "consent in lieu" then that would close the loophole that would allow shareholders to implement emergency acion without an official Special Meeting. If that is the case, we have a HUGE topic of debate. In essence, the type of shareholder action being relied upon by Arlitt would not be legally allowed.

Let's confirm that the bylaws posted by Wally take precedent over the Furia bylaws I posted earlier and the Consent clause is not in there as it was for Furia. I would love to apologize for the error.

Of course the question is moot if the merger was never completed. Could that be the almighty difference between the camps? It seems that corporate governance rules AND sharecounts may depend on this question - was the merger ever completed and is it possible to undo as a result of unfulfilled obligations? Clearly Rufus believes it was irreversibly consumated based on several comments on SPR. Thoughts?

...In My humble Opinion

Well, Humble. What I cut and pasted was directly from the 10KSB filed for CSHD with the SEC. IMO. The merger had to be completed. New cusip number, new company name and board of directors. New corporate bylaws from the state of Delaware. Fronthual was incorporated in Nevada and is in default with the state of Nevada.

https://esos.state.nv.us/SOSServices/AnonymousAccess/CorpSearch/CorpDetails.aspx ?lx8nvq=R8lo4ejJE6clee04TGK4cA%253d%253d
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Okay guys,
I would love to take credit for the translation,but I have to confess.
My hubby found it for us [Smile]

And to think ,Jenna, you were so proud of me.LOL
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Okay guys,
I would love to take credit for the translation,but I have to confess.
My hubby found it for us [Smile]

And to think ,Jenna, you were so proud of me.LOL

wow...but i thought the law doesnt apply to these people...so whats the point in explaining their actions...THEY should be the ones doing the explaining
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by humble:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Thanks for bringing that link up again.

I find it intersting because the company we are all talking about is Conversion Solutions, a Delaware Corporation, The bylaws that pertain are under this corporation and not the bylaws of FHAL. Read the following from the 10K that was filed.

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member ,the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

No where does it state that a private meeting by the shareholders committee had this authority. It says a Special meeting of shareholders called for that purpose.

I believe what we have is Mike and John using the bylaws under Furia/FHAL and not CVSU. I did go over to HSM because of Jenna's getting banned to see what may have happened but never got to that point. Someone reposted Mike's post under the name of BODI. He states that he believes that the merger can be undone, well that means that at this time the merger is still in force.

this maybe legal technicalities but as they say the devil is in the details.

CAT, the reason you won't find much on Romeo is because he is in Europe, and I believe always has been.

GLTA
Wally

If, in fact, these are the bylaws of Conversion Solutions, then you may have hit on something more than a technicality. I recently posted the Furia bylaws related to Director removal believing that these were the same bylaws relevant to Conversion Solutions because of the buy-out. If the Conversion Solutions bylaws excluded that clause about "consent in lieu" then that would close the loophole that would allow shareholders to implement emergency acion without an official Special Meeting. If that is the case, we have a HUGE topic of debate. In essence, the type of shareholder action being relied upon by Arlitt would not be legally allowed.

Let's confirm that the bylaws posted by Wally take precedent over the Furia bylaws I posted earlier and the Consent clause is not in there as it was for Furia. I would love to apologize for the error.

Of course the question is moot if the merger was never completed. Could that be the almighty difference between the camps? It seems that corporate governance rules AND sharecounts may depend on this question - was the merger ever completed and is it possible to undo as a result of unfulfilled obligations? Clearly Rufus believes it was irreversibly consumated based on several comments on SPR. Thoughts?

...In My humble Opinion

Just so its known, there are several pages on the GSCCA.gov website that go over the bylaws and I believe they are the most recent.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
Okay guys,
I would love to take credit for the translation,but I have to confess.
My hubby found it for us [Smile]

And to think ,Jenna, you were so proud of me.LOL

wow...but i thought the law doesnt apply to these people...so whats the point in explaining their actions...THEY should be the ones doing the explaining
I have no idea what your talking about. I was talking about reading a board on cshd from another country and finding it "entertaining".

What actions did I explain?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
http://www.dtc.org/impNtc/ope/ope_0872-07.pdf
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
http://www.dtc.org/impNtc/ope/ope_0872-07.pdf

Heres another link......(edit) I think? Does this appear to be the same Smart/Track to you?

http://smart.dtcc.com/prodsrvc/smarttrack/index17253.html

I can almost hear this line spoken in Rufus's voice. Does this sound familiar to anyone else?

--allowing customers to track the progress of transactions and providing real-time status of activity
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
What do you guys make of this? Paul Poetter is the only person that was introduced by Rufus at the Dallas meeting. He was a major player in Waatle.

http://www.rufusvssec.com/DFWmeet/pages/DSCF0389_JPG.htm

http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name -


Originally Posted by poetter
HERE IS A QUICK REPLY TO YOUR MAIN QUESTION, AND THEN I AM SIGNING OFF.

TO LODGE AN INSTRUMENT OR PLACE A TRANSACTION ON THE EUROCLEAR SYSTEM THE COMPONENTS MUST NOT ONLY BE WORTH OVER FIFTY MILLION USD, BUT THOURGHLY CHECKED OUT FOR IT AUTENTICITY AND OWNERSHIP. EUROCLEAR INSURES ALL OF IT'S TRANSACTIONS AND IT WILL NOT GO OUT ON A LIMB FOR ANYONE!!! SOMETIMES IT TAKES MONTHS TO PLACE AN INSTRUMENT ON THE SYSTEM AND MANY TIMES THEY FIND SOMETHING WRONG AND DECLINE THE DEAL. THESE INSTRUMENTS IN QUESTION ARE NOT TO BE CASHED IN, ONLY USED A COLATERAL FOR A PERIOD CERTAIN, FOR A CASH CREDIT LINE...ALL TRANSACTIONS ARE MADE WITH CASH, NOT TRADING INSTRUMENTS... ONE FOR ANOTHER.

THE COURTS OF THIS COUNTRY WILL FERIT OUT ALLEGED S.E.C. PROBLEMS AND WAGE THE WAR AGAINST THE NAKED SHORTING, AND HOPEFULLY CHANGE SOME LAWS TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC IN THE FUTURE.

EUROCLEAR, THE TRANSACTIONS AND ACCOUNTS ARE ABOVE THE USA LEGAL SYSTEM. OUR FED SYSTEM IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF THE INTERNTIONAL MONETARY SYSTEM OF WHICH EURCLEAR A MAJOR PLAYER. I HAVE POSTED HERE IN THE PAST ASKING THAT YOU NOT CALL THE EUROCLEAR BANK BRANCHES INVOLVED BUT MANY OF YOU DID...THIS RESULTED IN THE BANK MANAGERS IN THE EUROPE DRAGGING THIER FEET, CONCERNING THEIR DEPOSITIONS. THEY FELT THAT THEIR RULES OF TOTAL SECRECY FOR CLIENTS AND TRANSACTIONS HAD BEEN BREACHED BY CURIOUS AMERICANS. WHEN EVER A NON CLIENT CALLS A BRANCH THEY ARE TOLD THE SAME THING, "THERE IS NOT BANK OFFICER AT THIS BRANCH AND WE KNOW OF NO SUCH TRANSACTION." THEN THEY TRY TO PUT YOU ON HOLD WHILE THEY GET THEIR SECUTITY DEPARTMENT ON THE LINE TO ASK YOU SOME QUESTIONS. THIS PROCEDURE IS TO PROTECT THEIR CLIENTS AND A LOT OF THEIR CLIENTS ARE GOVERNMENTS.

AS YOU MAY HAVE GUESSED BY THE LATEST INTERVIEW OF MR. HARRIS, ON SUBPENNYRADIO.COM, HE IS BEING RESTRAINED IN THIS SPEACH ON SEVERAL SUBJECTS. I WOULD DRAW THE CONCLUSION THAT HE IS BEING RESTRAINED BY THE LEGAL BRANCHES OF THE POWERS THAT BE. THE WHEELS OF JUSTICE TURN SLOW BUT THEY ARE RELENTLESS...THE TRUTH WILL OUT. BE PATIENT. HAVE A GOOD WEEKEND.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
It looks like DTC's Smart/Track started off as "Universal Hub" a few years ago and became Smart/Track later.

http://www.dtc.org/impNtc/mor/mor_2003-10.pdf

A couple SEC sites related to Smart/Track

http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/dtc/34-50887.pdf
http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro/dtc/2007/34-55098.pdf
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Here is that other link...was he the tranfer agent?

http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name -id=11394553&type=CORPORATION
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
The possible "Birth of Smart/Track" aka Universal Hub

http://www.sia.com/stp/pdf/StreetsideWhitePaper.pdf

(Page 37 Ocqueoc [Smile] )
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So far Matt the "bits and pieces" ive put together for Paul D. Poetter dont comfort me much.

Here he is listed as the "Statutory Agent" for Waatle. Address - 1226 E Sea Breeze Dr, Gilbert Arizona

http://images.azcc.gov/scripts/cgi/dwispart2.pl

That same address has also been listed for "Plex Holdings LLC"

http://www.looboo.com/list/US/AZ/Gilbert/localinks

Now, i understand that businesses move around so the address thing might not mean anything. So, i dug a bit further and I found this old post ragarding Plex Holdings and "Arnold Millman". Its a forum post so TIFWIW but at the end of the post the poster warns of him and his partner (potter). Coincidence?

http://p066.e zboard.com/fduediligenceboardfrm16.showMessage?topicID=94.topic&index=2

Another post regarding Arnold and Plex Holdings LLC

http://p066.ez board.com/fduediligenceboardfrm18.showMessage?topicID=499.topic&index=1
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
It appears that HSM moderators have had about enough of CSHD.........

http://www.**************.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46993&page=825&highlight=c shd

Thread may close on permanent basis

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have had about enough disrespect to the Moderation of this thread and in the next 24 hours the decision will be made to close it down or keep it open. Unfortunately , due to a small number of people, who appear to have strong influence on this thread, it puts the site in jeaporady and it is not worth my time nor the freedom we have given members to respect what we offer. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, but certain individuals whom i have begged to follow the rules and yet all I have gotten is a slap in the face for my trusting that he wouldl respect the Rules of HSM. I suggest you go RB OR IHUB who allow such garbage and have a free hand to slander whomever you wish. I am tired and worn out trying to be a mediator. It just doesn't work.
We have a small group doing what they call due diligence. GIVE ME A BREAK!! You are in the stock, no matter what is dug up in public records or even to infer that someone has done wrong. You own the bloody stock, made your choice , now live with it because it is too late for this garbage after the fact. Let the FBI OR SEC do their job and not some half assed individual with an ego larger than life , who has basically ruined it for so many of you. I have had enough and you make your own decisions and no matter what, we or should I say MOI, will never be right. Live on the other side of where I come from for one day with this BS and see how long you last in this job. If it is my last message to you, it has been a slice. I am in the same boat as all of you, lost my investment unless something turns around , but the final straw was drawn this afternoon when i allowed a certain individual to return on condition. I was basically Fxxked. Sooo- long people if this is the last time i speak with any of you
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Brazilianrosewood is up to something...he has been pissing off Don (Mod) for weeks.

Him and Jenna... [Razz] ...Just kidding.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Here is that other link...was he the tranfer agent?

http://starpas.azcc.gov/scripts/cgiip.exe/WService=wsbroker1/names-detail.p?name -id=11394553&type=CORPORATION

No. He was the Agent of record. Anytime a company incorporates in a state they need someone that lives in the state who can be reached via mail. This Paul, is/was that person for Wattle. It is also not unusual that he is the agent for other companies. He, in reality is the human mail box for Wattle and any other company he is the registered Agent for. For the above post it does seem that he had some personal contact with Rufus and soes know more about Wattle than most Registered Agents would know. This is my understanding, if wrong I hope someone corrects me.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Brazilianrosewood is up to something...he has been pissing off Don (Mod) for weeks.

Him and Jenna... [Razz] ...Just kidding.

Do you have any idea what was posted that caused this?

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Here's an interesting read:

Sewer Pipes
Nathan Vardi 02.12.07
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0212/064_print.html

Hedge funds are posting nice returns from deals that may involve ex-cons, stock scammers--even the Mob.

If your entrepreneurial venture were desperate for capital, would you get it from a hedge fund? Sometimes that's not such a good idea. Consider Laurus Master Fund. The Cayman Islands hedge fund opened with $5 million under management in 2001 and has grown to $1.6 billion making investments in so-called PIPEs, or private investments in public equities.

In those deals the fund invests in a cash-starved, thinly traded public company. In exchange it gets securities--notes that charge interest, warrants and options--convertible into common shares of the company. Laurus claims it has achieved an annualized net return of 18.5% since inception. The people running Laurus from New York--brothers Eugene Grin, 49, and David Grin, 37--are making out pretty well, too. In addition to the standard 2% of assets and 20% cut of profits, they also collect a closing fee, an average 3.5% of each deal, which they liken to points on a mortgage. As for the companies they invest in? Not so well. On average they lose 30% of their stock price within a year of signing a Laurus pipe, says PlacementTracker, a San Diego research service.

PIPEs are a big business, drawing $28 billion last year from hedge funds. Some of the companies raising the capital are large, but most are desperate indeed, too small or too weak financially to raise money with a public stock offering. Some of the hedge funds providing the money are not financiers that you would select if you had a choice.

Originally from Ukraine, Eugene Grin became a vacuum cleaner salesman when he landed in the U.S. in 1979. Then he worked as a broker of penny stocks, among other investments, at F.N. Wolf & Co., the boiler room shut down by regulators in 1994. At Wolf one of Grin's clients was Gilbert Bornstein, a 54-year-old unemployed man who invested $32,000 with Grin after being convinced he could safely double his money through penny stocks. (Grin says he never made that claim.) Bornstein was soon stuck with $27,000 in losses. Nine years later a New York State judge determined that Grin owed Bornstein $40,000. Grin has yet to pay that bill, and the judgment remains outstanding. "He was superwealthy," Grin shrugs, by way of an excuse. "There was money in the family."

Today Grin and his younger brother, David, still traffic in penny stocks. But they do so through PIPEs. Hedge funds love these deals because the shares they get are often priced at a discount to the market to compensate for the fact that they can't be traded until they are registered with the Securities & Exchange Commission, which can take months. Meantime, though, hedge funds can value those PIPE warrants and options pretty much any way they want and calculate their net asset value accordingly. The larger the gain in a fund's NAV, of course, the more attractive it is to new investors.

And the more attention these deals may draw from regulators. "Improper trading practices in connection with PIPEs is a concern," says David Markowitz, an SEC assistant regional director in New York. "It's an area that SEC enforcement is looking at." The feds have so far focused on the improper shorting of stock. It is mighty tempting for a PIPE buyer to double-cross the company it is investing in by shorting the company's stock and using the conversion privileges with the PIPE investment to cover its short position. That earns the investor a quick spread but wrecks the target's ability to raise more equity capital. Such shorting is forbidden by Section 5 of the Securities Act. In September a U.S. Attorney charged Hilary Shane, a former hedge fund manager, with insider trading, accusing her of shorting Compudyne's stock after learning that Compudyne was contemplating a pipe fundraising. On Jan. 4 Joseph Spiegel, a onetime portfolio manager for a New York hedge fund, settled SEC allegations of his using PIPE shares to cover short trades and paid a $110,000 penalty.

Andrew Worden, 41, runs Barron Partners, a $150 million hedge fund that has invested $85 million in pipes since 2003. The fund flogs its expertise in microcap companies. It doesn't promote the fact that Worden in 1994 pleaded guilty to wire fraud--he stiffed brokers on shares they bought for him that decreased in value--and served two years' probation. "I was 23 years old," Worden says of his indiscretions, which were not prosecuted for five years.

In March 2005 Barron Partners invested $1.5 million in Cordia Corp., a Winter Garden, Fla. Internet-phone outfit 54% owned by Alexander G. Minella, who in 1993 was sentenced to up to six years in prison. Minella, then president of broker Wakefield Financial Corp., pleaded guilty to having "secretly rigged the trading in certain Nasdaq securities" by getting brokers to trade among themselves to manipulate prices.

Corey Ribotsky, 36, heads N.I.R. Group, a handful of Roslyn, N.Y. hedge funds with $630 million under management. His first business partner successfully sued him for stealing away their marketing and consulting firm. The florist at Ribotsky's wedding filed a $7,275 claim against him for failing to pay the bill.

So how does he do as a hedge fund manager? A Ribotsky PIPE, on average, precedes a stock-price drop of 54% a year after the deal, according to PlacementTracker. That still works for Ribotsky because of the way he structures a PIPE: He receives debt securities convertible into discounted stock, in an amount determined by dividing the principal by the price of the shares at the time of conversion, less a steep discount. The further a stock falls, the more shares he gets.

Since Ribotsky invested $1.5 million in 2005, shares in Med Gen are down from $1 on the o-t-c bulletin board to a fraction of a penny. The Boca Raton, Fla. company had less than $1 million in sales from an antisnoring spray, diet pills and supplements. (Its biggest shareholder and chief executive is Paul B. Kravitz, the former president of AppleTree Cos., who paid a $25,000 penalty in 1996 to settle SEC claims that he failed to tell investors in an AppleTree offering that he planned to invest $250,000 in a gambling casino.) Ribotsky converted the debt into 171 million shares of Med Gen, at discounts of 40%, by September 2006. Did he sell his stake, triggering the stock-price plunge? N.I.R. lawyer Jonathan Schechter declines to say. "It is not us that makes a company lose its value--maybe a company hasn't executed its business plan," he says, adding that N.I.R. never shorts a stock.

One of Ribotsky's PIPEs, a $1 million investment in Roanoke Technology, a Rocky Mount, N.C. Web site designer, allowed N.I.R. to purchase newly issued shares at a discount of 50%; Roanoke's shares then traded hands on the o-t-c bulletin board at 12 cents. After Ribotsky sued Roanoke when it didn't meet its loan payments, Roanoke countersued, claiming that N.I.R.'s selloff of shares was destroying the company. Indeed, trading volume of Roanoke stock jumped from 180,000 to 2.4 million shares on the days Ribotsky's funds filed conversion notices, say court documents, and the stock price plunged to less than a penny. Both suits were settled. Roanoke chief David L. Smith Jr. ended up leaving the company and settling SEC charges in August 2006 that he improperly issued stock to consultants who sold them for $7 million and kicked back $4 million to him. Smith has been barred from acting as an officer or director of a public company.

When it comes to dicey partners, though, few are as accomplished as the Grins. They financed Francis O'Donnell, who has gotten to know the feds pretty well. Taking over as chief of Searchhound.com, an o-t-c bulletin board stock in 2003, O'Donnell changed its name to Coach Industries, quickly built up a controlling stake in the Cooper City, Fla. firm and started acquiring limousine companies. Laurus backed him with a $6 million loan. On Jan. 5 O'Donnell pleaded guilty to being an associate of the Genovese crime family. The indictment also claimed that an FBI agent posing as a drug dealer was asked to launder proceeds through Coach in exchange for a fee. In addition O'Donnell is accused of luring a victim to his office, where Clement (Clemmie) Santoro allegedly held a gun to his head and demanded a $1.5 million payment.

The Grins invested $1.5 million in April 2004 with Magic Lantern Group, which marketed Canadian educational videos. Their introduction to the company came through National Financial Communications, owned by Geoffrey Eiten, a Needham, Mass. newsletter writer who flogged companies and claimed to show readers "how to make 5,000%" on their money. Magic Lantern's biggest backer was Lancer Management Group, a New York City hedge fund that blew up amid accusations of fraud.

Magic Lantern, which lost $15.9 million on sales of $2.7 million in 2004, began to disintegrate. Eiten was sued in September 2006 by William Galvin, Massachusetts secretary of state, for engaging in "widespread 'pump and dump' transactions by publicly promoting certain stocks at the same time he was selling them." Galvin released chummy e-mails between Eugene Grin and Eiten's company suggesting they team up to sell Magic Lantern shares. Eiten denies any wrongdoing. Laurus managed to eke out what it calls "a nominal profit" before Magic Lantern's stock collapsed.

In November 2004 Laurus agreed to lend Thomas Equipment, which makes skid loaders and hydraulic equipment in Canada, $22 million to finance acquisitions and operations. At the time the stock traded at 88 cents. Most of Laurus' loans were convertible into stock at prices of $1.50 a share; the Grins also bought 2 million shares for a penny each and received options to purchase 4 million more for a cent apiece. Helped by a steady stream of press releases, Thomas shares touched $8.99 in January 2005 on light volume.

What was driving the stock? James Patty, former interim chief executive at Thomas and a current board member, says that David Grin was constantly focused on Thomas Equipment's share price, even though the lack of liquidity in the stock meant that Laurus could not sell too many shares without driving down the price. Word came down from David Grin, says Patty, "that he couldn't allow that type of hit to his portfolio." Why? "My assumption would be he was looking at a valuation of the company in order to attract additional money into his fund," Patty says.

Ridiculous, says Eugene Grin. The effect of Thomas' high stock price on Laurus' net asset value "was never material." His valuation model, he claims, discounts severely for the lack of trading volume in a stock like Thomas. A good thing for Laurus: Thomas Equipment's two main units have filed for insolvency in Canada; it was yanked off the American Stock Exchange and now trades for 8 cents.

Eugene Grin says he never shorts a stock. He also insists that Laurus provides a valuable service--and is more like a bank than a hedge fund. "We have tens of thousands of people working because of our investments," he says. "It's a beautiful thing."

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2007/0212/064_print.html


GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Wow Wally, thats some ugly stuff there. And i see Ribotsky is right in the middle of some of it
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Yep. Smack dab in the middle of it all. If nothing else, some food for thought.

I know one thing, I will check into companies I plan to put money in to see if they have PIPE funding and then run for the hills.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
Yep. Smack dab in the middle of it all. If nothing else, some food for thought.

I know one thing, I will check into companies I plan to put money in to see if they have PIPE funding and then run for the hills.

GLTA
Wally

I remember Kapone bringing up a big PIPE discussion on Paltalk and I hub back some months ago. He was bashed fiercly for it so i dont know what came of it.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Hello. Hello.
never mind,it seams no one is home.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Sorry, just got back from the grocery store.

Had to pick up a few items, including koolaid.

Go cshd.. woot!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
THis is all Jenna's fault. I don't go to HSM that often for CSHD but because of her recent timeout, I thought I'd check it out. I found an interesting post and repsonded. I would like to share it with the board.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Padre
The Accounting Equation is the basis for understanding the double entry system of accounting. The equation stipulates that debits must at all times equal credits.

This is expressed in terms of the equation Assets = liability + Owner's Equity.

To the left of the equals sign are the Assets or resources that a business entity possesses to assist in achieving its goals Because they are represented on the left-hand side of the equals sign, these assets are destined to have normal debit balances. Stated differently, all accounts which by their nature are included on the left-hand side of the accounting equation have debit normal balances.

On the right hand-side of the equation there are account which are generally referred to as equity accounts. The term represents the ownership of those assets. These forms of ownership are shared by those who assisted in the acquisition of those assets; namely the creditors outside of the entity who have extended credit in support of acquiring assets, and those owners who have invested capital for that same reason. The creditors enjoy a special preference over the owners in their claims toward being reimbursed. What is owed them is referred to as an obligation for the business, or "Liabilities."Owner's Equity; those who are responsible for sharing the benefits and losses experienced by the entity over its life span. All of the accounts which are included on this side of the equals sign have credit normal balances. This satisfies the conditions of the equation which says that all debits must equal all credits. Stated differently, the total of the assets must equal the total of those who own them.

Assets = Liabilities + Owner's Equity

A bond (that we own/control) should be Asset and owner's Equity so equation balances.

Hypothicated bond would be Asset (cash) and Liability (debt) so equation balances

After using Asset (cash) to Fund JV

Funded JV = Liability (debt) and accounts receivable (future income) so equation balances.

The above is from my 1st year accounting class.

Given the information by Poetter there should be no doubt that the bonds are real because they are on Euroclear.

But ..... what happens if the SEC uses this equation:

Bonds (assets) = Liability (gotta pay it back) + Owner's Equity ( Zero according to them)

If they are using the above equation would hypothicating the bond then constitute fraud?

bond = liability
Bond + cash = liability + cash owed


I wish momandcpa or anyone with more accounting experience than I to weigh in on this.

My response:


This exactly what I believe the problem is. CSHD has claimed assets but once hypothecated a debt is owed and the amount of the assests are less than what has been stated. RPH has stated that the SEC would consider it fraud if the bonds were hypothacated. In essence, I guess it's a matter of intrepretation because once ehypothacated then payments are due to those that placed the bonds with CSHD and they will impact the bottom line. I am not an accountant but logic and common sense tells me that according to the 8k's debts are due upon hypothecation. WOW, does it all come down to which accounting system is being used and mere technicalities?

Since reading the funding agreements of the bonds that were obtained, I have felt that at some point in time the company would need to show the debt that was incurred by those agreements. Go back and read the Global Funding agreement and maybe just maybe that is the fly in the oinment and not the bonds themselves.

The above statement is speculation only and does not represent what has or will truly transpire.

GLTA
Wally
__________________
I am not psychic and have no ability whatsoever in ESP, My Crystal Ball was stolen before I found the wild world of pennies, I lent my tarot cards to a friend that skipped town(I didn't see that comming) and my dog ate all my tea leaves so take all of this with more than a grain of salt.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Times are slow for information and upward movement so I will break one of my rules and post about a stock that I think has very low risk at this time and very high potential. This is just something that maybe we can make a few dollars on while waiting for something to happen with CSHD.

It's not a sure thign nothing is. GMSC. I don't have a position but that is becasue I haven't had available funds and hopefully will have in the next few days. If you can get in between .001 to .0015 you should do fine, I have made money on this a couple of times and it seems ready to move again soon. Do your own DD before taking a position but I do think it's an easy 50%+ play in the the short term.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Check this article out...very interesting...

http://www.i-newswire.com/goprint87603.html

Stock Patrol Suspected as a Front in a Short-selling Scam

(2007-01-23) AS

There is a company out there called StockPatrol.com which publishes a website that many investors rely on. StockPatrol acts as watchdog warning investors of allegedly bad publicly traded companies. But things may not be what they seem.

Analysts are looking at a correlation between StockPatrol’s negative reporting and waves of short-selling. What they find interesting is that there seems to be a certain pattern.

This is how the short-selling scam is suspected to work.

Selling often starts shortly before StockPatrol puts out its negative report – while a company’s stock price is still high. This brings an amount of money into the sellers’ accounts.

When StockPatrol releases its negative report, it initiates a downward momentum. The short-sellers continue to sell, reinforcing the downward trend and in the process bring in additional money.

As the panicked shareholders of the affected company try to get out of the declining stock, the stock tumbles, at which point the short-sellers quietly start buying the necessary amount of stock back to cover their short positions at a fraction of their original price.

The difference they keep as their profit. Obviously, the affected company, its management and shareholders don’t benefit from this. They are the losers.

The money the short-sellers can make on the backs of small company investors must be significant, considering that StockPatrol deals in low priced stocks where even small changes in price represent a large percentage change. Further, StockPatrol has to be aware that through its negative reporting it is actually sabotaging small company prospects, thus removing risk from shorting those companies.

An ingenious modus operandi – assured money making mechanism that is virtually risk-less.

Operating out of his multi-million dollar five bedroom apartment in midtown Manhattan with one bedroom dedicated to the StockPatrol, its sole operator, Mr. Hartley Bernstein receives no compensation for his work and dedicates his time and own money purely for the social cause of being a self-appointed watchdog of the securities markets.

StockPatrol states that its mission is to inquire, investigate, research and report on interesting, odd and unusual developments in the securities markets.

Upon closer look however, StockPatrol’s reports amount to clever derogatory innuendoes by Mr. Bernstein. He gives them a particular kind of spin. But these aren’t simply inconsequential private opinions. Mr. Bernstein has built a following and, when he makes an innuendo to bash a company, he knows it is bound to produce a negative market response.
StockPatrol does a lot of reporting. But it appears that Mr. Bernstein has never bothered to substantiate his innuendoes and has never contacted the firms he attacks. In fact, when one brave company challenged him for a public debate he simply disappeared.

Obviously, Mr. Bernstein wouldn’t be shorting himself. Shorting would have to be done through untraceable off-shore accounts and by remote parties without a direct connection to him.

But there must be one connection. Short-sellers somehow happen to know ahead of time on which companies StockPatrol is going to issue its reports. Is it a mere coincidence, or is there a friendly leak at StockPatrol?

Ingenious as it may be, shorting small cap stocks is not only wrong it is actually illegal, especially on a downward trend!

As it turns out, Mr. Bernstein actually has a background in securities scheming, deceit and lying – even perjuring himself in Court. He is no stranger to law breaking.

Mr. Hartley Bernstein is a disbarred New York attorney. He is also a convicted felon. Mr. Bernstein was found guilty of stock fraud and perjury at the U.S. District Court in New York. If you want to spend $25 you can download the indictment and conviction details.

As in organized crime cases, in this case the government used Mr. Bernstein as one of the key figures to convict the others. In exchange for his testimony against his buddies in crime, Mr. Bernstein bargained for himself a lighter sentence.

Mr. Bernstein apparently claims that he is reformed now. Notwithstanding, his background must be considered. According to a New York Times article a few years ago on Mr. Bernstein’s past, some regulators are skeptical and believe that recidivism with this type of crime is standard.

It does look odd that Mr. Bernstein is running StockPatrol – it’s like having a convicted bank robber manage a bank or having and ex child molester work in an elementary school.

Mr. Bernstein has the audacity to make up unsubstantiated innuendoes giving them his typical spin that portrays business people building companies as being somehow crooked. In reality, the crooks by enlarge come from the securities industry victimizing companies for their ends.

At a minimum, Mr. Bernstein, as well as the regulators who permit him to go on, must realize that they are responsible for effectively depressing the stock of the small companies that Mr. Bernstein denigrates through his innuendo reporting.

Don’t these small firms deserve government protection against such attacks by a convicted felon?

While there inevitably must be bad apples among small cap companies, as there are among large companies, it does not appear that the majority of the firms that Mr. Bernstein attacks have done anything wrong.

If there is any wrongdoing by the companies that Mr. Bernstein has been allowed to slander, then regulators should charge those companies. But that is not the case.

A question has to be asked, are regulators looking the other way when it comes to wrongdoing by Mr. Bernstein? If so, what is the rationale? The word on the Street is that certain regulators value Mr. Bernstein and have allowed him to carry on with his innuendo reporting “for prophylactic reasons” to keep small companies in check, so to speak.

If there is truth to this, this would bring into question the regulators’ ethics and wisdom.

What is happening is that Mr. Bernstein, acting as a quasi-governmental representative, is harming legitimate small business, undermining capital formation at the grassroots level and affecting the integrity of the small cap market. He should be investigated.

Understandably, for the regulators securing actionable evidence against someone skillful like Mr. Bernstein may not be so easy the second time around and he may represent an embarrassment. There may be however grounds for civil action by the affected companies.

Investors and executives of affected companies have been wondering for some time now whether Mr. Bernstein is just an overzealous man who acts for no other reason but to selflessly protect the investing public’s interests, or if there is a more practical side to this – Whether there is basis to suspicions that StockPatrol and its related outlets (Stock Watchdog, Radar’s Doghouse, Stock or Schlock, The Radar Screen, Buyer Be Weary, Know Your Broker, Regulations on Patrol) are a front for one of the biggest short-selling scams in the small cap market.

What is even more disconcerting is that everybody is afraid to talk about Mr. Bernstein out of fear of retaliation. Even news reporters are shy to explore legitimate concerns regarding Mr. Bernstein.


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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Interesting read Matt
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
When shorts sell to shorts is that like musical chairs????? I would hate to be the last one trying to cover!?!?!
 
Posted by ww2player on :
 
Excellent find St. Matt. Very interesting..

quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Check this article out...very interesting...

http://www.i-newswire.com/goprint87603.html

Stock Patrol Suspected as a Front in a Short-selling Scam

(2007-01-23) AS

There is a company out there called StockPatrol.com which publishes a website that many investors rely on. StockPatrol acts as watchdog warning investors of allegedly bad publicly traded companies. But things may not be what they seem.

Analysts are looking at a correlation between StockPatrol’s negative reporting and waves of short-selling. What they find interesting is that there seems to be a certain pattern.

This is how the short-selling scam is suspected to work.

Selling often starts shortly before StockPatrol puts out its negative report – while a company’s stock price is still high. This brings an amount of money into the sellers’ accounts.

When StockPatrol releases its negative report, it initiates a downward momentum. The short-sellers continue to sell, reinforcing the downward trend and in the process bring in additional money.

As the panicked shareholders of the affected company try to get out of the declining stock, the stock tumbles, at which point the short-sellers quietly start buying the necessary amount of stock back to cover their short positions at a fraction of their original price.

The difference they keep as their profit. Obviously, the affected company, its management and shareholders don’t benefit from this. They are the losers.

The money the short-sellers can make on the backs of small company investors must be significant, considering that StockPatrol deals in low priced stocks where even small changes in price represent a large percentage change. Further, StockPatrol has to be aware that through its negative reporting it is actually sabotaging small company prospects, thus removing risk from shorting those companies.

An ingenious modus operandi – assured money making mechanism that is virtually risk-less.

Operating out of his multi-million dollar five bedroom apartment in midtown Manhattan with one bedroom dedicated to the StockPatrol, its sole operator, Mr. Hartley Bernstein receives no compensation for his work and dedicates his time and own money purely for the social cause of being a self-appointed watchdog of the securities markets.

StockPatrol states that its mission is to inquire, investigate, research and report on interesting, odd and unusual developments in the securities markets.

Upon closer look however, StockPatrol’s reports amount to clever derogatory innuendoes by Mr. Bernstein. He gives them a particular kind of spin. But these aren’t simply inconsequential private opinions. Mr. Bernstein has built a following and, when he makes an innuendo to bash a company, he knows it is bound to produce a negative market response.
StockPatrol does a lot of reporting. But it appears that Mr. Bernstein has never bothered to substantiate his innuendoes and has never contacted the firms he attacks. In fact, when one brave company challenged him for a public debate he simply disappeared.

Obviously, Mr. Bernstein wouldn’t be shorting himself. Shorting would have to be done through untraceable off-shore accounts and by remote parties without a direct connection to him.

But there must be one connection. Short-sellers somehow happen to know ahead of time on which companies StockPatrol is going to issue its reports. Is it a mere coincidence, or is there a friendly leak at StockPatrol?

Ingenious as it may be, shorting small cap stocks is not only wrong it is actually illegal, especially on a downward trend!

As it turns out, Mr. Bernstein actually has a background in securities scheming, deceit and lying – even perjuring himself in Court. He is no stranger to law breaking.

Mr. Hartley Bernstein is a disbarred New York attorney. He is also a convicted felon. Mr. Bernstein was found guilty of stock fraud and perjury at the U.S. District Court in New York. If you want to spend $25 you can download the indictment and conviction details.

As in organized crime cases, in this case the government used Mr. Bernstein as one of the key figures to convict the others. In exchange for his testimony against his buddies in crime, Mr. Bernstein bargained for himself a lighter sentence.

Mr. Bernstein apparently claims that he is reformed now. Notwithstanding, his background must be considered. According to a New York Times article a few years ago on Mr. Bernstein’s past, some regulators are skeptical and believe that recidivism with this type of crime is standard.

It does look odd that Mr. Bernstein is running StockPatrol – it’s like having a convicted bank robber manage a bank or having and ex child molester work in an elementary school.

Mr. Bernstein has the audacity to make up unsubstantiated innuendoes giving them his typical spin that portrays business people building companies as being somehow crooked. In reality, the crooks by enlarge come from the securities industry victimizing companies for their ends.

At a minimum, Mr. Bernstein, as well as the regulators who permit him to go on, must realize that they are responsible for effectively depressing the stock of the small companies that Mr. Bernstein denigrates through his innuendo reporting.

Don’t these small firms deserve government protection against such attacks by a convicted felon?

While there inevitably must be bad apples among small cap companies, as there are among large companies, it does not appear that the majority of the firms that Mr. Bernstein attacks have done anything wrong.

If there is any wrongdoing by the companies that Mr. Bernstein has been allowed to slander, then regulators should charge those companies. But that is not the case.

A question has to be asked, are regulators looking the other way when it comes to wrongdoing by Mr. Bernstein? If so, what is the rationale? The word on the Street is that certain regulators value Mr. Bernstein and have allowed him to carry on with his innuendo reporting “for prophylactic reasons” to keep small companies in check, so to speak.

If there is truth to this, this would bring into question the regulators’ ethics and wisdom.

What is happening is that Mr. Bernstein, acting as a quasi-governmental representative, is harming legitimate small business, undermining capital formation at the grassroots level and affecting the integrity of the small cap market. He should be investigated.

Understandably, for the regulators securing actionable evidence against someone skillful like Mr. Bernstein may not be so easy the second time around and he may represent an embarrassment. There may be however grounds for civil action by the affected companies.

Investors and executives of affected companies have been wondering for some time now whether Mr. Bernstein is just an overzealous man who acts for no other reason but to selflessly protect the investing public’s interests, or if there is a more practical side to this – Whether there is basis to suspicions that StockPatrol and its related outlets (Stock Watchdog, Radar’s Doghouse, Stock or Schlock, The Radar Screen, Buyer Be Weary, Know Your Broker, Regulations on Patrol) are a front for one of the biggest short-selling scams in the small cap market.

What is even more disconcerting is that everybody is afraid to talk about Mr. Bernstein out of fear of retaliation. Even news reporters are shy to explore legitimate concerns regarding Mr. Bernstein.


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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Hello...hello...ello...ello...llo...llo...lo...lo...o...o... [Razz]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Hello...hello...ello...ello...llo...llo...lo...lo...o...o... [Razz]

Great article St. Matt!! How you doin??
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
This is getting sad. No one around here all day. Good night every one. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I agree Doc.Good night.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
This is getting sad. No one around here all day. Good night every one. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

Doc,

It's matter of nothing really happening with the trading of this during the day. I spend my time for the most part with other stocks I'm invested in that at least have a chance to make a move during the day and then check in here at night to see if anything new is happening.

Have to try to make money somewhere until something of consequence happens here.

Good Luck and have a good night

Wally
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Good Night all. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
This is getting sad. No one around here all day. Good night every one. [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]

No news is good news. Right? I'm curious to see what comes out of JA visit to Germany. I would think that a PR would come out shortly after he returns to explain the "successes" of the trip.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Taxback...did you ever find any info on that law firm?

I looked into Manny Nedwick yesterday a bit and only found a couple of SEC litigation pages where Emanuel B Nedwick was listed as a defendant. He was working for American Growth Capital Corp. back in 97.

I also found a bban article that's kind of interesting. It says to contact Manny for further info:
http://www.celsiusdesign.net/edtv/flash/10.15.02.html
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
A few trades at .15...
Very nice to see...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I wonder if somebody knows something.....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
A few trades at .15...
Very nice to see...

I'm noticing that too 10. It is interesting to see the PPS start to move up. Could just be people trying to get in prior to something comming ouot on Pacer. You the speculators.


GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
That is exactly why I stopped by - to see what in the world caused the price to go up [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Well, that was short lived...back to .12
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Nevermind, back to .15.....LOL....I'm going to shut up now!!! [Eek!]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Well, that was short lived...back to .12

jenna lol stay away from here.....ull be much happier
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
right on...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Well, that was short lived...back to .12

jenna lol stay away from here.....ull be much happier
Hey, I stayed away for 3 whole days- that's really good for me....I'm in 3 other plays right now....so I'm breaking the addiction....give me SOME credit.... [Wink]
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
To the moon!
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
right on...

now we just need to ge tthis moved back to micro penny board..i spend a lot of time on hotstocks and its a constant reminder and leaves a bad taste in my mouth everytime i see it.....i knwo it sprobably just me, but it drives me crazy..i wish there were a way to block boards
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
constant reminders are a good thing, get over it...
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
constant reminders are a good thing, get over it...

Yes, reminders of the potential SCAMS out there are good.. should be posted in the "General Investing" Section.

By the way, maybe you want to change the title to "CSHD - A thread to say goodnight to each other"

Buhahahah.
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Repo, do u ever get tired of your own voice?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
just as long as i only have to say g'night to you over the internet i'm happy repo [Razz]
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
Repo, do u ever get tired of your own voice?

Nope. In fact, I record myself talking and replay it throughout the speaker system in my house.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
Repo, do u ever get tired of your own voice?

Nope. In fact, I record myself talking and replay it throughout the speaker system in my house.
LOL... Wait, that was my idea...
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
Repo, do u ever get tired of your own voice?

Nope. In fact, I record myself talking and replay it throughout the speaker system in my house.
LOL... Wait, that was my idea...
It was? Well I send you a copy of my voice..

 -
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Keep postin' & this stays hot, maybe it will attract new buyers....LOL
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
I got another buy order filled through the last couple days finally.

Decided not to sell and average down in case it hits .20 or .30 again i can *attempt* to break even.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
To the moon?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
For those that may have missed this...this is too funny...brought a tear to my eye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD3jpg1TJEw
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
For those that may have missed this...this is too funny...brought a tear to my eye.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD3jpg1TJEw

Classic... Is this the life changing event we are supposed to give our grandkids.....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Lots of trades going through the past few minutes...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
St. Matt- that is hillarous.....whoever did that should do one for of the other people involved too....that would be a hoot!!!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Jenna...you mean that wasn't the real people involved?!?! [Confused]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Sorry Matt, LOL, I edited the post...I meant I enjoyed that one so much...that it would be funny if they did a skit on Ben or Sabra or Tut....I think that would be funny....
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
LOL .145 close?
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
WOW ............. Nothing here since last night at 7:35. Looks like this might the end of a great place.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good Morning Dad......
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I think we are all awaiting Mr. Arlitt's return......
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
.07 open ouch....
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
A couple of .15s went through which was the majority of the volume, then one for 350 at .07.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Dang! If we only had a MM I'd be buying more here.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Stockstar - you can buy more - just call it in....
 
Posted by atthebank on :
 
I bought this stock twice on the grey market without calling it in, thru etrade, BUY THE CRAP OUT OF IT. Maybe if I go to the court house with an attorney I'll be the next CEO. First come first serve, ya think???
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
atthebank- that sounds like a great idea- if you do that & become CEO- do you think you could get an MM for us & do a price reset for $15.00- thanks......

By the way- if you need a bond - I got one from my grandma when I was a baby.....you can use it as an asset if you want.... [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Holy crap- CSHD * .17!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Has anybody checked Pacer's? What's going on?
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Has anybody checked Pacer's? What's going on?

"something is up"

Lmao....favorite quote of otcbb traders
 
Posted by atthebank on :
 
I'll reset the price to $14.99 and we'll let it walk up from there, and you can always sell on a short squeeze for $99.99 within 2 weeks.Are you sure you can prove the BOND? I would need proof before I sign on MM's
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
"Honest Engine....Cross my heart"- the bonds are real!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Sorry- double post....
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Isn't it "Honest Injun"? (The way Huck Finn said Indian)

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
"Honest Engine....Cross my heart"- the bonds are real!


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
PCola - Is it? I never really knew what the heck that was.....I just knew it was a term from Indians.....looks like I should have done some dd....LOL!!!
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Yeah, google it sometime if you want [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I will- I love learning.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Ugh, I hate learning new things. My brain is full. Everytime I learn something new I forget something else.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
my brain is tired
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
What's a brain?

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by stockcop on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
What's a brain?

GLTA
Wally

That is what somebody has when they KNOW a scam when they see it, and never invested in this stock.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stockcop:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
What's a brain?

GLTA
Wally

That is what somebody has when they KNOW a scam when they see it, and never invested in this stock.
OH you are too funny.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey, stockcop - why don't you go arrest who ever it is that took off with our money?
 
Posted by stockcop on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey, stockcop - why don't you go arrest who ever it is that took off with our money?

Looking into it. They got mine too !!

I dont have a bwane e'der.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
this is what happens when you invest in CSHD:
 -
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this is what happens when you invest in CSHD:
 -

Nice One Glass.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Isn't taht what happens when you "invest" in any penny stock, instead of "trading" them?

quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
this is what happens when you invest in CSHD:
 -


 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I'm still digging here...trying to put together all of the info Rufus talked about in the SPR show.

Here's another of the websites he wanted us to see:
http://www.secinfo.com/dvmfp.1xs.d.htm

This one shows that Michael Holbrook had ties with Furia back in 2004. This is the same Holbrook that supposedly rallied shareholders of BBAN to oust Rufus.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Here's a piece of an interesting post from Amphibithen over on HSM back in July of 06...seems kind of like deja vu!

>>>>>it's a long story...suffice to say, BBAN shareholder's are probably regretting they got rid of Harris and company.
Harris was removed by a shareholder vote after he recalled the shares of all non-performing officers and fired them all, which, in hindsight, was the right thing to do. Problem is, he ticked some scam artists (the former B.O.D of BBAN) off by doing this. The old B.O.D that were fired by Harris was able to rally the shareholder base with the help of a fella by the name of Holbrook. They ooh'd and awed shareholders with all kind of promises...and shareholders bought into it gleefully, voting Harris and company out at an emergency shareholder's meeting.
BUT mr harris had their case vacated and had them brought up for violation of a court order. the board of directors cannot be located of BBAn anymore, the phone number doesnt work, their office has been moved out of. some of their people went to jail over it.<<<<<
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Wow. That can't just be a coincidence

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Here's a piece of an interesting post from Amphibithen over on HSM back in July of 06...seems kind of like deja vu!

>>>>>it's a long story...suffice to say, BBAN shareholder's are probably regretting they got rid of Harris and company.
Harris was removed by a shareholder vote after he recalled the shares of all non-performing officers and fired them all, which, in hindsight, was the right thing to do. Problem is, he ticked some scam artists (the former B.O.D of BBAN) off by doing this. The old B.O.D that were fired by Harris was able to rally the shareholder base with the help of a fella by the name of Holbrook. They ooh'd and awed shareholders with all kind of promises...and shareholders bought into it gleefully, voting Harris and company out at an emergency shareholder's meeting.
BUT mr harris had their case vacated and had them brought up for violation of a court order. the board of directors cannot be located of BBAn anymore, the phone number doesnt work, their office has been moved out of. some of their people went to jail over it.<<<<<


 
Posted by milliam on :
 
One last thing...I think someone probably already looked into these, but here's the list of stocks that Rufus wanted us to look into. He made it sound like there are people invovled in pumping CSHD on the boards that were involved on the boards with these stocks. I'm only assuming he was refering to John Arlitt.

IGAI
GLBT
CYSG
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
One last thing...I think someone probably already looked into these, but here's the list of stocks that Rufus wanted us to look into. He made it sound like there are people invovled in pumping CSHD on the boards that were involved on the boards with these stocks. I'm only assuming he was refering to John Arlitt.

IGAI
GLBT
CYSG

Yes he was referring to Arlitt. But I believe you will have to go further back to find connections.


GLTA
WAlly
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about BBAN verses Rufus?

I remember that someone from HSM , said the next date for court was 1-29-07.

I don't know if this is true or not, I just remembered it. I checked out the judge's page ,but didn't see anything. {as you all know I'm not very good at DDing,but I try [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
I was wondering if anyone has heard anything about BBAN verses Rufus?

I remember that someone from HSM , said the next date for court was 1-29-07.

I don't know if this is true or not, I just remembered it. I checked out the judge's page ,but didn't see anything. {as you all know I'm not very good at DDing,but I try [Smile]

I don't think that was BBAN vs Rufus. It was a consultant that claims she did work for them and was never paid well Rufus was CEO. If I remember correctly.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Thanks Wally,
I just remembered that when Rufus was to go to court last time, it got postponed.

As bad as my memory is, I can't believe 1-29 popped into my mind [Wink]

I was just being nosey! LOL
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Holy crap- CSHD * .17!!

To the moon!
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Uh, just hit .20. WTF is going on?

I shoulda bought at .08 [Smile]
 
Posted by mathis on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
Uh, just hit .20. WTF is going on?

I shoulda bought at .08 [Smile]

did not expect that at all!! everyday this has been hitting highs
 
Posted by SherriT on :
 
I am asking the same question....can't believe this sucker got back above .10 without some concrete news from the company or courts.

Does anyone know anything here?
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
Wow... is there something that we should be getting in the mail soon? Like maybe a proxy vote showed up? Wasn't that promised to us to come tomorrow, and people want to get on? Just a thought.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by unclerudy:
Wow... is there something that we should be getting in the mail soon? Like maybe a proxy vote showed up? Wasn't that promised to us to come tomorrow, and people want to get on? Just a thought.

No. Proxy vote was not promised by tommorrow. I'm not sure what is driving the increase in PPS but I'm not complaining. I hope it keeps going up.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
If it could just get up to .56 so that I break even, I would be estatic.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Last trade at .19 I think
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Well if it runs tomorrow , I'm getting out or atleast going to try and sell off my shares . I've had enough fun for a while with this one .
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
I find it incredible some people are giving Rufus the credit for the stock going up again. All I can say people is to think about why. It is NOT Rufus's doing. Think.............. [Wink]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Well if it runs tomorrow , I'm getting out or atleast going to try and sell off my shares . I've had enough fun for a while with this one .

Source ...I wish you a lot of luck tomorrow. I hope you are successful. It has been fun and I believe it is going to be VERY exciting here again.
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Well if it runs tomorrow , I'm getting out or atleast going to try and sell off my shares . I've had enough fun for a while with this one .

Source ...I wish you a lot of luck tomorrow. I hope you are successful. It has been fun and I believe it is going to be VERY exciting here again.
Maybe so but I'm going to take my ball and go play somewhere's else for a while .
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Wally .... Do you really think everyone is going to be mailed a Proxy vote ballot? Who is going to send them? Rufus? Please.....There is not a chance that he will spend the money to do this. He likes to promise things with little chance of completion. We are going to recover, but not because of Rufus.. [Smile]
 
Posted by mo-rydr on :
 
Hello everyone, I have just been checking the board every now and then, I am one of those idiots who went "all in" on this one so I am out of the trading business until this is all cleared. My question is, since my PM priviliges have been taken away for something stupid and have not been able to PM Jenna about 'John at the SEC' who is supposed to be the one to call for info about CSHD: Has anyone called him, and did he have any important info to share?
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
mo....Come back on tonite. Jenna will be on later. See ya then....
 
Posted by mo-rydr on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
mo....Come back on tonite. Jenna will be on later. See ya then....

Thanks doc, I'll do just that. See ya later.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Good question mo...I forgot about that John guy. I wonder if anyone called him?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
i'm rich....lol..... .19
 
Posted by Jo4321 on :
 
Wow! .19

I've got a nosebleed.

Jo
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
All i gotta say is im happy i loaded back up to bring my average from 2.50 / share to .27 a share.... delightful.

Tomorrow, we conquer the world!
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
This has been fun again the last few days...Just like old times. It's good to see people getting excited about our baby again.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
Stockstar yesterday:

To the moon?

Today:

To the moon!
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
New SEC Filing:

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707707000007/0001297077-07-0 00007-index.htm
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
interesting

http://xml.10kwizard.com/filing_raw.php?repo=tenk&ipage=4630507
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
1. ISSUANCE OF CONVERTIBLE PREFERRED STOCK TO MICHAEL D. ALEXANDER AS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER PREVIOUSLY OVERLOOKED. PREFERRED STOCK CONVERTS AT A RATIO OF 100 COMMON SHARES TO 1 PREFERRED SHARE.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
1. ISSUANCE OF CONVERTIBLE PREFERRED STOCK TO MICHAEL D. ALEXANDER AS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER PREVIOUSLY OVERLOOKED. PREFERRED STOCK CONVERTS AT A RATIO OF 100 COMMON SHARES TO 1 PREFERRED SHARE.

hmmmmmmmm ......
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Form 4 out...shows MA has 75 mil shares

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707707000007/xslF345X02/prim ary_doc.xml

Oh...you guys beat me to it.

Hey there New2!

Bucky...I'm pulling for the Colts!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Hi St Matt....I'm still paying attention! lol
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Preferred Stock

Rights

Unlike common stock, preferred stock usually has several rights attached to it:

The core right is that of preference in dividends. Before a dividend can be declared on the common shares, any dividend obligation to the preferred shares must be satisfied.

The dividend rights are often cumulative, such that if the dividend is not paid it accumulates in arrears.

Preferred stock has a par value or liquidation value associated with it. This represents the amount of capital that was contributed to the corporation when the shares were first issued.

Preferred stock has a claim on liquidation proceeds of a stock corporation, equivalent to its par or liquidation value. This claim is senior to that of common stock, which has only a residual claim.

Almost all preferred shares have a fixed dividend amount. The dividend is usually specified as a percentage of the par value or as a fixed amount. For example Pacific Gas & Electric 6% Series A preferred. Unlike debt securities, however, a company is not legally required to pay preferred dividends, and omission of preferred dividends is not an event of default for the companies debt.

Variable preferreds are rare exceptions; their changing dividends depend on prevailing interest rates, or varying as a percentage of net income.

Some preferred shares have special voting rights to approve certain extraordinary events (such as the issuance of new shares or the approval of the acquisition of the company) or to elect directors, but most preferred shares provide no voting rights associated with them. Some preferred shares only gain voting rights when the preferred dividends are in arrears for a substantial time.

Usually preferred shares contain protective provisions which prevent the issuance of new preferred shares with a senior claim. Individual series of preferred shares may have a senior, pari-passu or junior relationship with other series issued by the same corporation.

The above list, although including several customary rights, is far from comprehensive. Preferred shares, like other legal arrangements, may specify nearly any right conceivable. Preferred shares normally carry a call provision, enabling the issuing corporation to repurchase the share at its (usually limited) discretion.

Some corporations contain provisions in their charters authorising the issuance of preferred stock whose terms and conditions may be determined by the board of directors when issued. These "blank check" preferred shares are often used as takeover defense. These shares may be assigned very high liquidation value that must be redeemed in the event of a change of control or may have enormous supervoting powers
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
"but most preferred shares provide no voting rights associated with them."

so did he or didn't he have voting rights?
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
I think that was Rufus saying "Here you go. You can have more of what is usually considered the best shares available. But wait, you F-ed me, so I am taking away all of your voting rights, and you have to hold on to these for a long time. We are now both in the same boat. Now try to F us over, and you get doubly screwed. Thanks for playing."

Or something along those lines.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
One last thing...I think someone probably already looked into these, but here's the list of stocks that Rufus wanted us to look into. He made it sound like there are people invovled in pumping CSHD on the boards that were involved on the boards with these stocks. I'm only assuming he was refering to John Arlitt.

IGAI
GLBT
CYSG

Yes he was referring to Arlitt. But I believe you will have to go further back to find connections.


GLTA
WAlly

Yes, if possible find FHAL threads from back around November/December of 2005. If you find some please post links.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Wally .... Do you really think everyone is going to be mailed a Proxy vote ballot? Who is going to send them? Rufus? Please.....There is not a chance that he will spend the money to do this. He likes to promise things with little chance of completion. We are going to recover, but not because of Rufus.. [Smile]

I was answering a question. Doc, if you have followed my posting I am not in the Rufus camp nor the JA/MA/DP camp.
I have no idea why this is going up at this time but the only thing we have heard from JA was that he was going to Germany to try to get funding and a JV. In my book that's a promise too.

There is only one thing that matters at his one and it isn't looking for funding, JV's or Proxies. It's going to court opening the default and ansering the court. Until that is done nothing happens.

Rufus could be the biggest blowhard and con man in the world, I really don't know. What I do know is that Mike Alexander, admitted that the whole CEOTA thing was a scam and then went out and bougt Ecowood to do the same thing, harvest logs in the Amazon. JA has pumped stocks in the past that have gone down and never recovered. I believe none of them.

When one of them does something that moves the company forward, then I will proclaim them a savior but until then color me skeptical.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
I'm still digging here...trying to put together all of the info Rufus talked about in the SPR show.

Here's another of the websites he wanted us to see:
http://www.secinfo.com/dvmfp.1xs.d.htm

This one shows that Michael Holbrook had ties with Furia back in 2004. This is the same Holbrook that supposedly rallied shareholders of BBAN to oust Rufus.

This particular fact concerns me. If i remember correctly hasnt Rufus maintained the stance that someone was "out go get him"? If Holbrook was involved with Alexander back in 04 and Rufus came along in 06 then doesnt it make more sense that Rufus is actually the one out to get someone? Unless, of course, Sabra did indeed bring Rufus and MA together and at the time Rufus didnt know about the link with Holbrook. Questions questions questions.....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
Form 4 out...shows MA has 75 mil shares

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707707000007/xslF345X02/prim ary_doc.xml

Oh...you guys beat me to it.

Hey there New2!

Bucky...I'm pulling for the Colts!

Now I disagree with you. It shows that he is exercising these shares that are in dispute and that he did not have them when this sholderholder take over happened last year. On what authority did he do this?

I don't like it and I sure don't trust it.

Hold on to your hats the battle has just begun.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
WTF??? Did Mike just screw us again (some more)?

Hmmm...yeah, I think I overlooked giving myself enough shares back in 04....I'll just take those now...yeah, that's the ticket [Frown] .

I don't get this. Who authorized this, can he just go back in time like this and give himself more shares? Was there some stock options he still held?

I'd love to hear what Rufus has to say about this!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
This particular fact concerns me. If i remember correctly hasnt Rufus maintained the stance that someone was "out go get him"? If Holbrook was involved with Alexander back in 04 and Rufus came along in 06 then doesnt it make more sense that Rufus is actually the one out to get someone? Unless, of course, Sabra did indeed bring Rufus and MA together and at the time Rufus didnt know about the link with Holbrook. Questions questions questions.....

I'm pretty sure Rufus was out to get them. He's pretty much said that from the start. He has said something about people out to get him as well, but I do believe he knew who Mike was dealing with and that's the reason he came on board. I wonder if Holbrook was the main guy he's been after?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
From the merger agreement.

Preferred Stock


Preferred Stock


CSHD's Certificate of Incorporation authorizes the issuance of 20,000,000 shares of preferred stock, $.001 par value.


Furia issued 500,000 shares of its convertible preferred stock in connection with the acquisition of Fronthaul Inc. in August 2004. Each outstanding share of preferred stock is convertible into 100 shares of the Common Stock of Furia, for an aggregate of 50,000,000 shares of Common Stock.


The mentioned preferred stock was held by Former CEO Michael Alexander and was nullified upon the execution of the Merger Agreement dated July 8, 2006 with CSHD and filed with the Security Exchange Commission is incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act).

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/filings_by_name.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilena me%3D0001297077%252D06%252D000083%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2006%255C10%255C19%2 55C&symbol=furia

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
The mentioned preferred stock was held by Former CEO Michael Alexander and was nullified upon the execution of the Merger Agreement dated July 8, 2006 with CSHD and filed with the Security Exchange Commission is incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act).

thats why i hmmmmmed..... this whole thing has become a total SNAFU
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
Wally .... Do you really think everyone is going to be mailed a Proxy vote ballot? Who is going to send them? Rufus? Please.....There is not a chance that he will spend the money to do this. He likes to promise things with little chance of completion. We are going to recover, but not because of Rufus.. [Smile]

I was answering a question. Doc, if you have followed my posting I am not in the Rufus camp nor the JA/MA/DP camp.

I wanna be in Wallys camp. Less BS and more to the point. [Smile]
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
My take on the price increase of today:

SEC filing shows MA was telling the truth that he only sold 500,000 shares.
You would think the “possible” principal owner of the company would only have held if he too was fooled or if there was real value to his shares. It also appears to discount the idea that he was responsible for the Berlin shares as some had thought.

-CON
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
In a post a few weeks back under his alias of BODI, Mike claimed that he had exercised his preferred shares prior to the 6 for 1.

It clearly states in the 8K and again in the 10K that those shares were nullified upon the Merger agreement dated July 8th 2006.

Now we get a Form 4 filed today stating that he is exercising those same preferred shares that were overlooked. The same shares that supposedly were used to circumvent a Shareholders Meeting, Proxy and vote to oust then CEO Rufus. If the shares are being executed today, which according to the 8K and 10K were nullified, what shares were used in the special meeting?

Man it just gets deeper and deeper. Maybe now people will understand why I not only don't trust Mike but don't want to be like Mike.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I realize hat nothing should surprise me in the world of FHAL/CSHD but seriously...come on.

This is my favorite line in the filing. (edit i said 8k, meant filing hehe) Priceless. "Previously overlooked" LOL

Are you kidding me?!

Explanation of Responses:
1. ISSUANCE OF CONVERTIBLE PREFERRED STOCK TO MICHAEL D. ALEXANDER AS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER PREVIOUSLY OVERLOOKED. PREFERRED STOCK CONVERTS AT A RATIO OF 100 COMMON SHARES TO 1 PREFERRED SHARE.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
who filed the 8k????
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
who filed the 8k????

The form 4 is what i meant, not 8k. Thats the fingers acting without the assistance of the brain
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i once had a (penny) stock that converted preferred shares to (a couple hundred million) common even tho they had NONE listed in their 10k... it was in the middle of a run of course...
reported them to the SEC? nothing happened...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
The mentioned preferred stock was held by Former CEO Michael Alexander and was nullified upon the execution of the Merger Agreement dated July 8, 2006 with CSHD and filed with the Security Exchange Commission is incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act).

thats why i hmmmmmed..... this whole thing has become a total SNAFU

Glass,
I was dumbfounded when the take over first occurred. When I looked into it, keep in mind I am not an attorney so this is my own opinion, something wasn't right. The more I looked into the bylaws the less sense it made. One of the key things I got from Jenna's talk with Alana Black was how Alana stated the fact of the corporate bylaws. NOw this. I really think that Mike is grasping at straws now. Another thing, Mike needed the TA to go along with this. The same TA that Rufus stated would not give him access to the SEC filing codes. Now Rufus in the SPR spot stated to watch PACER. Interesting that now at the 11th hour Mike does this. I'm sorry the more moves I seeing being made like this the better Rufus looks and I don't like the way he looks either.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
i once had a (penny) stock that converted preferred shares to (a couple hundred million) common even tho they had NONE listed in their 10k... it was in the middle of a run of course...
reported them to the SEC? nothing happened...

That may be Glass but this is in the middle of an SEC investigation, I don't think they can look the other way here. I was also under the impress that part of the TRO was that the company wasn't to issue any more stock, or was I imagining that.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Can someone explain this to me? What is going on in laymen's terms.....TIA
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I cant believe Rufus hasnt made an HSM appearance yet after that filing.

But, then again Arlitt is the CEO right? Maybe Arlitt should explain this filing to us. Im listening. [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I just want to say- (even I have done this)-

I don't think Mike A.'s exact words were that CEOTA was a scam....I think he said that it deosn't exist.......I used to own a corporation & when I get solicitors calling about it, I say, "It doesn't exist."

Could this be what he meant?....does anyone remember his exact words?
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I cant believe Rufus hasnt made an HSM appearance yet after that filing.

The night is still young! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I just want to say- (even I have done this)-

I don't think Mike A.'s exact words were that CEOTA was a scam....I think he said that it deosn't exist.......I used to own a corporation & when I get solicitors calling about it, I say, "It doesn't exist."

Could this be what he meant?....does anyone remember his exact words?

Alright. If it didn't exist then how did he sign an agreement with them for the Amazon log deal.

Keep in mind this was all before Rufus came into the picture. According to what we have been told Mike went to Rufus for funding and that was how the merger happened.

Sounds like a Scam to me

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I cant believe Rufus hasnt made an HSM appearance yet after that filing.

But, then again Arlitt is the CEO right? Maybe Arlitt should explain this filing to us. Im listening. [Smile]

I really don't think he needs to. If I were him I'd let Mike do the answering.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wally - All I meant was, is it possible that it did exist & then it was dissolved, now it does not exist- that's it.....I'm trying to look at it from a different angle.....(trying not to hang anyone before there are proven guilty in anyway)....(trying)
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I can not believe how "As The Stomach Turns" keeps us wanting to watch!!!

How in the hill, can someone GET back shares that were no longer there?
Something stinks to high heaven and I think we should all put our boots on because it sure is getting deeper.

I am not a lawyer, but this sure doesn't sound legal to me. IMO
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally - All I meant was, is it possible that it did exist & then it was dissolved, now it does not exist- that's it.....I'm trying to look at it from a different angle.....(trying not to hang anyone before there are proven guilty in anyway)....(trying)

The thing that bothers me most about CEOTA is that i KNOW i listened to an interview with Mike Alexander and "someone" from CEOTA but its the only interview i cant seem to locate in any archives. I know that sounds very "cloak and dagger-ish" but it bugs me. And, i never could find anything about CEOTA before May of 06. Then, after the merger announcement between FHAL/CVSU the CEOTA website kinda went stale and eventually disappeared completely.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Jenna;

When CAT and I were looking into it cat found an almost identical yet unrelated web sight. I was getting cookie cutter emails and then they were never followed up. I requested info about donations and got an “ill get back to you” response and I think someone else even tried to donate, unsuccessfully. Cat and I had though it looked way to fishy in May/June of 06. I almost sold because I couldn’t find out a history on it and then BANG! Out of nowhere comes RPH?

If mike got the ball rolling, or interest in FHAL using CEOTA and CEOTA does not now, and never did, appear to be a functioning entity, not for profit or otherwise, what does it tell you about MA now that he stated it is not a real co. Someone set this as the trap…maybe for the shorters? Maybe to attract RPH. In any event it totally looks like a last ditch pump for a worthless FHAL.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
HHHMMMM......
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally - All I meant was, is it possible that it did exist & then it was dissolved, now it does not exist- that's it.....I'm trying to look at it from a different angle.....(trying not to hang anyone before there are proven guilty in anyway)....(trying)

OH, I understand. But that wasn't the way it was represented. It was like they didn't exist period.

I agree with not hanging anyone before the trial but I also like to look at the evidence.

As I've stated before for the most part we really don't know what is going on.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally - All I meant was, is it possible that it did exist & then it was dissolved, now it does not exist- that's it.....I'm trying to look at it from a different angle.....(trying not to hang anyone before there are proven guilty in anyway)....(trying)

The thing that bothers me most about CEOTA is that i KNOW i listened to an interview with Mike Alexander and "someone" from CEOTA but its the only interview i cant seem to locate in any archives. I know that sounds very "cloak and dagger-ish" but it bugs me. And, i never could find anything about CEOTA before May of 06. Then, after the merger announcement between FHAL/CVSU the CEOTA website kinda went stale and eventually disappeared completely.
You are not imagining it because I listened to the same interveiw. I bought just prior to that interview and there was a Gordon? from CEOTA I believe that all they were waiting for was a government permit.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I wonder if articles such as this one are what attracted Rufus to FHAL.

http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=139035

Its a weird coincidence that they talk bout the "Squeeze trigger price" being 0.15 and 0.15 has been a verrrrrry popular number on the gray market. Well, i found it weird at least.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
Jenna;

When CAT and I were looking into it cat found an almost identical yet unrelated web sight. I was getting cookie cutter emails and then they were never followed up. I requested info about donations and got an “ill get back to you” response and I think someone else even tried to donate, unsuccessfully. Cat and I had though it looked way to fishy in May/June of 06. I almost sold because I couldn’t find out a history on it and then BANG! Out of nowhere comes RPH?

If mike got the ball rolling, or interest in FHAL using CEOTA and CEOTA does not now, and never did, appear to be a functioning entity, not for profit or otherwise, what does it tell you about MA now that he stated it is not a real co. Someone set this as the trap…maybe for the shorters? Maybe to attract RPH. In any event it totally looks like a last ditch pump for a worthless FHAL.

Exactly. I remember the exact same scenario.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally - All I meant was, is it possible that it did exist & then it was dissolved, now it does not exist- that's it.....I'm trying to look at it from a different angle.....(trying not to hang anyone before there are proven guilty in anyway)....(trying)

The thing that bothers me most about CEOTA is that i KNOW i listened to an interview with Mike Alexander and "someone" from CEOTA but its the only interview i cant seem to locate in any archives. I know that sounds very "cloak and dagger-ish" but it bugs me. And, i never could find anything about CEOTA before May of 06. Then, after the merger announcement between FHAL/CVSU the CEOTA website kinda went stale and eventually disappeared completely.
You are not imagining it because I listened to the same interveiw. I bought just prior to that interview and there was a Gordon? from CEOTA I believe that all they were waiting for was a government permit.

GLTA
Wally

Yea, Gordon Brown....another mystery
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
RPH paid for that analysis i think. he was at least already involved at that point
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Oops, new "Bones" on tonight.

Good night [Smile]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
who filed the form 4???
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus on SPR right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
He's coming back at 9 pm....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
who filed the form 4???

I think Mike A.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
who filed the form 4???

I think Mike A.
Does anyone really know...

I don't think Mike Is capable of doing it...
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
I will transcribe too Jenna!
I think we could see some fireworks tonight!

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
http://stockcharts.com/charts/gallery.html?cshd

LOL a chart for the hell of it.
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Hey Jenna, Mod on HSM just said he is going to ban anyone posting parts of tonights SPR interview!

[Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
I will transcribe too Jenna!
I think we could see some fireworks tonight!

[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]

Thank goodness!!! American Idol is coming on!!! Sometimes it's hard to get every word...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by fhalyesss:
Hey Jenna, Mod on HSM just said he is going to ban anyone posting parts of tonights SPR interview!

[Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes] [Roll Eyes]

Those mods have it in for me for some reason....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
FORM 4 well what is it? a sell??.. an un important filing? an "oops we forgot to mention...." form?
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Jenna, are you ready for another late night of posting SPR? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
NO....already tired & have a sore throat.... [Confused]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
so no one is posting SPR tonight? if hsm cant and jenna cant we're doomed!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
so no one is posting SPR tonight? if hsm cant and jenna cant we're doomed!

If he says anything i consider "major" ill try to post it. I just wish i could have gotten a nap in first.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
so no one is posting SPR tonight? if hsm cant and jenna cant we're doomed!

Still not on ST22.

Check your PM.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
ST22- he (Rufus) isn't on yet....that's why I haven't posted anything yet....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Rufus : Last time I talked to Arlitt, Arlitt and James Gee were pointing fingers at each other.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Hello.."

R:"How R U...It's Rufus..."

S:"The listeners love that you share with them...there's not another CEO like you..."

R:"....and there never will be..."

S:"What brings you here tonight?"

R:"There's been some developments....I don't have anything on Arlitt...last time I talked to John & James Gee they were pointing the finger at each other...."
 
Posted by NYSE Trader on :
 
Rufus just got on...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus talking about some sort of premerger transaction from John Arlitt....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Jenna is way better at this than me....thank god she is still here

Im gonna listen more intently now [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"Watch out for those hostile take overs..."

S:"We've got some other folks.....a lot of folks have been sending me a form form from Mike A. HAve you seen this?"

R:" A form 4- yes....there were multiple attempts to registers the shares....I would love to know what's the brolerage house reciving those shares...."

S:"Are those the same shares that were waved?"

R:"Yes."

S;"Then how can he claim them?'

R;"He's claiming that he was tricked."

S:"You are saying thoe were waved on the completion of the merger. He doesn't have the 50m" Why would the SEC allow this?'

R:"He was in a catch 22. The SEC maybe covering their as*. The ones that held his preferred were shorting...(? - not sure if I got that right)
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
BUMP for Jenna

quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Here's another interesting post from HSM. Something I think Cat and Taxback will be interested to hear:

Posted by bodi (MA):
No relation...naw I have a document trail for everything...CEOTA was not a real company...btw


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"The fear I would have is a countersuit..."

S;"This whole proxy vote that you are putting vote depends on the share structure....who's a shareholder- who is not....how is anybody going to know whos count?

R;"The court."

S:"Alright...Have you since spoken with the SEC since our last call?"

R;"Negative"

S:"You're saying he's in a catch22."

R:"......You're claiming you own these shares where's the filing?......"

Simon is going to the SEC website, doing a search...going back to July looking at the 8k & 8ka.....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Did he also say that "someone was shorting the stock using Mikes preferred shares....in Boston"?

Something along those lines...?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Looking under exhibit B? ....Article 2 ....searched "canceled"......

S:"...by virtue of the merger.......the canceled & converted.....as definded by below....thta's saying Mike didn't have to do anything...he did actually have those preferred prior to signing but as soon as he signed they disinigrated...."

R:"He signed the merger agreement."

S:"I'm not a lawyer.....do you believe there is an attorney that would say , you didn't sign the 8k.....

R:"If he's a dumb as*..."

S:"So both Randy & mike.....
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
That sounds interesting Cat. Would Mike allow someone to use his shares to short? If so, I'm assuming he'd be getting a kick back or something.
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
8KA
Section E Change of shares, Mike has violated merger agreement
 
Posted by Tmoney on :
 
can someone tell simon to ask rph about his plans for a lawyer
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
That sounds interesting Cat. Would Mike allow someone to use his shares to short? If so, I'm assuming he'd be getting a kick back or something.

Well, i was distracted during that part so im not 100% on what he said. I need to hear the replay unless someone else heard it.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I'll be recording the replay tomorrow and listening to it several times I'm sure.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Boho saying WOW....

Rufus interupts....."he we go"...He's on the computer looking at the documents.....

Plan of Merger.....

conversion & exchange of shares......"Mike's violated the merger agreement."

S:"That's what he's saying about you...that you violated the agreement."

R:"......The merger is done & over with..."

S:"If he feels you tricked him into giving away his preferred shares.....Mike could be screwed either way.'

R:"You have to register the shares to be able to vote."

S:"....He's in violation? correct?"

R:"Yes."

S:"If the SEC steps in are they going to shut down the company?'

R:"More than likely, then there will be some lawsuits....I think at this point they might trace the shares...."

S:"Do you think Mike A. is sweating bullets.'

R:"I don't see why he should be....I'd be doing the same things.....but I wouldn't be out there supporting this nut case John Arlitt."
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
This interview so far has been pretty much pointless.
 
Posted by NYSE Trader on :
 
FYI they always are
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Let me ask you a far fetched ? Are you coaching Mike?"

R:"I haven't talked to him in months...I haven't talked to him in quite a while."

S:"...so you are saying Mike is violating the merger agreement."

R:"I saw his attempt before to file it.....& he is still walking the street."

S:"What is the share structure?"

R:"I'd be interested in seeing the last NOBO list...."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
111 mill is the O/S of that the float is 61 & the remaining is wattle......30 mill that have not been converted....(not preferred)
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
He totally wants them to go open the default.
 
Posted by NYSE Trader on :
 
I think rufus was just taking a piss on the air...lol
 
Posted by NYSE Trader on :
 
MA was a mod on HSM!!!!!! jeez
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Rufus - Mike Alexander was a moderator on HSM
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Are the shares in cert form in jeopardy of anything negative."

R:"They should be on the TA list...."

S:"You are sending out the proxy according to the NOBO list?"

R:"Affirmative....I'm going to let the court oull the NOBO list...we are going to present in court...watch PACER'S..."

S:"When are you going to present this?"

R:"Shortly....watch PACER'S..I'm going to have a firm there to handle this...when John put out his PR that he was going to do business....what company is going to do business with a company that is in default..."

S:"You said the default has not been opened....Let's ask you....are the people on the OBO list going to get a proxy.."

R:"You should...ask your broker...Interesting activity in this stock lately..."

S:"Do you have Corey buying any for you off shore?"

R:"No...did you noticed the DTCC date....has it been moved?"

S:"I'm guessing by the tone of your voice it's been moved..."

R:"March the 7th....It's cute that it's been moved though.."

S:"So is it true that the proxy is still on schedule for Feb 16th?"

R:"Yes...I'm not going to move it just because they moved that to March the 7th..."

S:"Tomarrow is Feb. 1st- you would have to go to court, have the nobo pulled, send it out....sounds like it's a lot ot be done in a few weeks?"

R:"How do you know it hasn't started?"

S:"Well, there are people on here that watch PACER"S & there is nothing there...Do you have a tie to DON on HSM?"

R:"None....He's friends with Mike.....He was a moderator on HSM when I met him...."

S:"WOW.....that's crazy..."


R:"
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Id love to see the Fronthaul posts from the HSM archive back in November/December 2005. But....ill bet those archives have been "overlooked"
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Mike violated a merger agreement according to Rufus?

Mike also violated the terms of his financing agreement, if you look? i think you'll find he defaulted the funding agreement by buying back shares on the open market...
i think it was in the 10Q from last April...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
http://www.**************.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35273&highlight=FURA
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
[Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Id love to see the Fronthaul posts from the HSM archive back in November/December 2005. But....ill bet those archives have been "overlooked"


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Don has protected Tut by deleting his posts..."

R:"I don't care if they are deleted or not...I heard the FBI has requested all documents on this...."

S:"The FBI has not comtacted me but the SEC has....This is crazy stuff....Are you willing to take calls?"

R:"I don't know...I'm not in the mood to argue tonight..."
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Thats hots tockmarket btw. Nothing major...looks like maybe that mod stopped posting around May? Or am i reading that wrong?
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
oooohhhhh gonna get nasty here
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, now JJSeabrook is on and its turning into a total mess.

Goin to bed. I can get the cliff notes tomorrow.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Rufus brought up a discussion with JJ

The guy asked if he had any relatives buying and selling shares and Rufus said "someone go knock him upside the head". I remember the interview quite well. [Smile]

Was on Paltalk
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Mike violated a merger agreement according to Rufus?

Mike also violated the terms of his financing agreement, if you look? i think you'll find he defaulted the funding agreement by buying back shares on the open market...
i think it was in the 10Q from last April...

that is true, Glassman.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
My husband just interupted me- sorry....

S:"When you stepped down & Mike stepped in - did that do anything to the shares?"

R:"No, I told him he's not getting the shares..."

S:"Hello, caller....."

JJ:"This is JJ Seabrook...I heard you mentioned my name..."

R:"You were a former director of ...(some company)...

JJ:"When?......You were suppposed to be a CEO so what company was I the direcor of I have never been a director Mr. Big Mouth?"

R:"You mentioned it to me..."

JJ:"You are liar...I have never said that..."

R:"You must be on drugs then...."

JJ:"You are on crack! You have 4 DWI's..."

R:"I do not have 4...."

S:"He's saying that you....

Rufus interrupted, disribing some night on Paltalk..

JJ:"You were an idiot- you kept saying you has these bonds & said you had cash in the bank...where is it? idiot!"

R:"Have you ever NSS a stock?"

JJ:"Never..."

R:"Have you ever shorted a stock?"

JJ:"No.."

Bickering......

JJ:"This guy is a liar...you can't believe a word he says....you 3 DWI are on record too...you can't make bond....you couldn't get out of jail could you?"

R:"You can deal with your association with IHUB, Do you know Michael Holbrook?"

JJ:"I don't know any of these people..."

R:"You called me 12 times a day..."

JJ:"You called me, you PM'ed me, Rufus?....what about Mike A.'s stock...I was the first one to catch that...."

R:"It should have been done along time ago..."

JJ:"I wasn't looking for it....."

R:"You just contradicted yourself...."

JJ:"When news comes out it's on IHUB first..."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Chad is on from IHUB.....

Chad:"In JJ's defense....way before Rufus was around, before FHAL was around - he always posted news that comes over the wire.....JJ is just another daytrader..."

There is a bad conection with this call....taking a break.....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OH SPR is AWESOME tonite... HSM is freaking. HAHA!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Simon lost the call with Rufus.....

S:"Hello Mr. Harris..."

R:"How are you doin' I was interested in that last caller...I was interested when they said what they do...."

S:"I don't know if you are reading too much into what he said...next caller..."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Some people are sabbatoging the show.....Rufus call me back..."

The phone call got screwed up- some one is messing with the show.....Rufus is back.....People are calling in....

.....talking about people on message boards & how this is a shady business....

.....Simon is saying something about Spam press releases......legitimate businesses will use PressWire or BusinessWire.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
OH SPR is AWESOME tonite... HSM is freaking. HAHA!!

What do you mean Tax?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"I wonder how many of them have went out on John Arlitt's 10 companies?"

They are talking about somekind of Pr's.....I think they are talking about spam mail though...I'm not sure what they mean Spam PR's?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
What a tangled web we weave... hundreds of PR's being released by spam promoters. Moderators from multiple stock boards possibly involved... Toxic Financing, Off shoring, Naked Short Selling. This is like the perfect storm.

Enjoying everything and sitting back and taking notes.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus is saying people on message boards orchestrate the hype & play the momentum......

I think I am waisting my time - this isn't what I expected tonight.....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Rufus said that Mike Alexander was a Mod at HSM

From HSM this is the first post on one of the first FHAL threads. People are speculating that Dardadog is MA.

***********************************************
Originally Posted by leedsatlanta
Was this MA?

Dardadog
Moderator
Rank: Stock God


Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 1,556 FURA

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tuesday, April 11 2006 8:00 AM, EST

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Furia Organization Signs Letter of Intent to Acquire the Assets of a Local Trucking Company in the Dallas Fort Wort


ROCKWALL, TX -- (MARKET WIRE) -- 04/11/06 -- The Furia Organization (OTC BB: FURA) announces today it has signed a letter of intent to acquire 100% of the total assets of a local trucking company in the Dallas Fort Worth area. This acquisition will add an additional 18 trucks to the Furia family of logistic companies. The anticipated increase in first year revenues to the Furia Organization should be approximately $12.8 million dollars. Included in this acquisition will be office space for operations, a mechanics shop, and a fenced yard for securing equipment. Furia will also assume existing contracts, which include Fortune 500 companies. President Mike Alexander stated, "This is a great acquisition for The Furia Organization. The Company we are acquiring is turn key. It generates Net profits as of today. We believe by adding the value of Furia assets we can create even more positive revenues and increase shareholder value."

About The Furia Organization:

The Furia Organization is a Delaware corporation with branch offices in Rockwall, TX. The Furia Organization expects to grow their business specifically in the areas of 3rd party logistics, Transportation Brokerage, and Motor Carrier services. The Furia Organization is the only referral based marketing transportation logistics brokerage and currently has over 4000 members.

Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995:

The statements contained herein which are not historical are forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause the actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements, including, but not limited to, certain delays beyond the company's control with respect to market acceptance of new technologies or products, delays in testing and evaluation of products, and other risks detailed from time to time in the company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Contact: The Furia Organization. 2233 Ridge Road Suite 102 Rockwall, TX 75087 888-293-4285 Email Contact
__________________
The quality of decision is like the well-timed swoop of a falcon which enables it to strike and destroy its victim - Sun Tzu Do Da Due...But Be Damn Quick About It -Dardadog
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
From his line at the bottom it looks more like Tut (JA).
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Would also explain why people recently have been attacking Don the Mod of the CSHD thread over there. Additionally it explains why very vocal pro Rufus pumps have had only a 15 minute life span on that thread lately.
 
Posted by Tmoney on :
 
yep i was thinking the same thing, like tut
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Interesting thought... was Tut a Mod too? [Embarrassed]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Tax, i posted the think (although broken) to that HSM FURA post on the last page. The only reason i bring it up is, did you notice when that poster stopped posting? Long shot maybe but Rufus said Mike was a Mod on HSM when he met him. That mod looks like they stopped posting around May of 06 (shortly before the FHAL/CVUS merger). Is that true or did my search mess me up?

Disclaimer - I dont know who those posters are/were from the early FURA thread. Not saying they are guilty just trying to follow a trail.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Oh geeeeeez I didnt even see this part.

"The quality of decision is like the well-timed swoop of a falcon which enables it to strike and destroy its victim - Sun Tzu Do Da Due...But Be Damn Quick About It -Dardadog"

Thanks for pointing it out Nice catch~!!

Thats totally Tut-ish. Creeeeepy.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
There is some really interesting rocks being turned over here.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
uhhhh i just got on, could someone give me a summary of key points i didnt read? lol i read the entire thing jenna just wrote...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"Did you find a link to the name Manny that I gave you?"

S:"I haven't maybe the listeners have...."

Simon going to the phones to take a caller...

S:"Dimension is saying that Don probably pulled his password....."

R:"Who's password?"

S:"I don't know - they are saying you should have them raid the HSM office...."

R:"Na....."

S:"He (DON) is probably guilty of having insider info....he is probably covering up...for shorters"

R:"I'm not conserned with them (HSM)..."

....adding a caller named Rich to the call.....

Rich:"Hi....what happened in the last 6 months with this company....Rufus, you were mentioning the NSS issue.....(Call is breaking up)...."

Simon interupted because the call is very choppy.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
From his line at the bottom it looks more like Tut (JA).

It does sound familiar....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Simon can not take anymore calls there is something wrong with Simon's equipment....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus has been banned from HSM.....

Simon is waiting for Rufus to call back...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus isn't calling back...Simon is trying to call him.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Stock Deisel wants to know what your case will be about & any updates on the bonds..."

R:"It will all be in the Proxy..."

S:"This will be a HUGE Proxy..."

R:"...about 140 pages..."

S:WOW- that's a lot to read...What are the chances of this succeeding after the Proxy vote?"

R:"Succeeding- what is tha? What do you mean?"

S:"Succeeding - it's from the word Succeed...(Simon laughing).."

R:".....well, very good - if we have a Proxy can't have a proxy without succeeding...(didn't make sense).."

S:"What are the chances of the Shareholders profitable..."

R:"That is the whole purpose of the Proxy....read it have an attorney to interprit it...."

S:"How long til we feel releif...my wife & I have lost everything..."

R:"That is the goal of this, even the victims of ourstreet, the bashing..."

S:"Why didn't you hypothecate the bonds?"

....sorry couldn't keep up........

R:"We are trading currently right...where On the OTC - ?"

S:"Your stock doesn't have quote....it's unusual volume...."

R:"You are trading blind- no bid & ask....how do you not have a sparatic market price? If there is no Bid or Ask - let me give everybody advice- set your price- right now - what do you want for it?

S:"People want $15...."

Simon...that was a good one!!!!! He's laughing....

Simon said that the broker won't let peole set the price that high.....Rufus said than document him.....because it's not supposed to be that way because it's a blind market.....they are not supposed to do that......


Rufus is making a lot of sense right now......

He's saying these brokers have no say in the price we set - in the grey market.....

Rufus said they were issued shares that were never entered into the system- they have hard phisical certs - except for Ben & Sabra.....he said his shares won't show up on the NOBO list....

James Gee said there is no Proxy coming & that Ben & Rufus have a court date on March 12th....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
James said that Rufus is lying and that Rufus is not sending out a Proxy & not to listen to him.....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I'm not sure about this whole Dardadog deal. there was a poster here on AllStock named Dardadog, I've read of him/her before..............here I found the profile

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_profil e/u/00004947.html
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
NOWWWW will u guys stop it with this cshd craziness? forget about it! ull be happieer!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Interesting James Gee as chair of the shareholder commitee has to follow the bylaws of the company.

Then Rufus said he likes to "let the fox in the hen house".

And an interesting call followed from Ben S. Saying that James will follow BBAN litigation.
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
NOWWWW will u guys stop it with this cshd craziness? forget about it! ull be happieer!

Why are you still here? [Razz]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Someone just called Rufus an idiot through an IM....

Rufus said he just got a phone call from Ben....saying that they have a court date with Susan (something) regarding BBAN, regarding a fraud in California.....

Rufus said for James to watch out because what happens to this lady in this court case will happen to you.....Rufus to James,"You're next!"

Anthony is saying- when is the Proxy coming....

The 16th.....

R:"Everybody who reads it will get a tingle in their stomach..."

Someone is asking if Rufus will do a buyback....

Rufus is laughing & said, "Kiss my as*....Sue me!"
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
"Rufus is laughing & said, "Kiss my as*....Sue me!"


well that should be his signing off quote when we dedicate a website to defaming him....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
NOWWWW will u guys stop it with this cshd craziness? forget about it! ull be happieer!

Why are you still here? [Razz]
nothing else to do...but gonna watch leno now
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus is calling Mike A. & Dave Perley chicken sh*ts....telling them to say if he was wearing a hat....

S:"Rumor has it that your horses were taken away because you didn't pay rent..."

R:"Someone talking out of there as*....horses are fine.....sue me & come get my horses..."

Rufus said that multiple people of the SHC have contacted him but Rufus has not called them back.....he said it's not time to talk to him yet...he is saying that people are sending him documents.....
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
everyone sueing rufus righ tnow would be so easy, the SEC has already a case on him lol


lets destroy him!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Rufus is saying that the SHC is trying to contact him to tell him what's been said......he said that he let someone download his whole computer the day of the Barbeque...& Rufus said he gave them consent.....he said it didn't matter because none of the people at the Barbeque were shareholders.....What the heck is talking about???

Simon saying he's not making sense?

Rufus is saying that there was evidence backing up the bonds on the computer.....

Once the data was analyzed by people who were in the bond business they told Mike A that Rufus was a fraud & also that he was printing shares???(not sure)...

S:"Will you or JA deliver the 6:1?"

R:"The Shareholders will take this company forward...."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hemmi from Hot Stock Forums: Do you think that James Gee is in bed with John Arlitt....

R:"Last time I was on the phone with them.....Arlitt said he didn't do this...he didn't do that.....Sabra said she didn't want anymore to do with this.....If you are going to start pointing fingers it's useless...."

S:"Have you ever worked for the gov't to faciliate foriegn transactions..."

R:"I have facilitated Foreign securites...I have never recieved a paycheck.....I've been partied to transactions...an example....R&R program...anybody especially from NY would know...twin towers after 911...I bought in an Isreali trust for that...."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:".........How do you expect people to believe this?"

R:"......It's real...you can believe this little Georgia Cracker."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Did you dump some shares? Do you have another personality like Sybil?"

R:"Wouldn't I be arrested by now?"
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I'm tired guys....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Going to bed....

Good Night.....
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Goodnight Jenna,
Thanks for all your typing! Good job, once again!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
interesting--------------------
dawgcando
HSM Newbie


Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 4 For those of you morons who still follow Rufus so blindly I have a couple of things for you idiots.
1. How can Rufus be the CEO when he stated he resigned and the Board of Directors fired him. The answer is HE CAN"T
2. For those of you who question the validity of Mike's preferred shares here is the letter from Don. The original has the signatures so don't think I made this up.
3. I wonder why the horses that are owned by Georgia Breeders ie rph*gabreeders.com were owned by Equine Solutions which was a JV of CSHD.
4. Why didn't Rufus put out anything when he found out the bonds and the UCC note were of no use. That in itself is against SEC regulations.
5. The issue with the emergency share holders committee conference call is funny as Rufus only wanted to have the call with James Gee and James is the one who told Rufus that he was uncomfortable making any decisions alone. James set up the conference call line 15 minutes before the call not Rufus.

Chew on that for a while people and wake up and smell the s...t Rufus is shoveling.

November 30, 2006


The Board of Directors
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
507 Main Street - Suite A
Lake Dallas, TX 75065

SUBJECT: Issuance of Preferred Stock to Michael D. Alexander

Gentlemen,

This will certify that the Michael D. Alexander was validly issued Preferred Shares in Fronthaul Group Inc. prior to its merger with Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. The Preferred Shares converted on a one-for-one basis to Preferred Shares in Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. and are, as of this date, still validly issued and registered to Michael D. Alexander.

As transfer agent for Conversions Solutions Holdings Corp., we further certify that no instructions have ever been received by us to alter Mr. Alexander's Preferred share position in the company and that the terms of the merger agreement as presented to us, had no reference to Mr. Alexander's preferred holdings.

Lastly, this will confirm that Michael D. Alexander is the only registered holder of Preferred shares in Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

If any other information relative to the Preferred position of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. is required, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Sincerely,

INTEGRITY STOCK TRANSFER
Don Maddalon
President
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Tax- Simon is reading your message!!!!!
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Yeah I heard... just copied from above.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
HSM is speculating that dawgcando is dogmando or in other words James Gee. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Saving that one for later I think... (Taking Notes) [Wink]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I started out in sandals, As the dodo got deeper I switched to tennis shoes, when it got even deeper I bought a pair of cowboy boots. I'm in hipwaders now and if it gets any deeper I'll need a pair of full body shoes.

Why can't someone just give us some plain answers. Not links to look at or dots to connect.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Brazillianrosewood who is banned from HSM is now on and is pulling out Delaware Corporate Law... and is spanking MA on multiple facts from filings and DD that the 50M shares are not voting ready.
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
oh my goodness! THis is just too much excitement Laughing like crazy...ahem mmm maybe I am crazy!!! LOL [Wink]
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvforever:
oh my goodness! THis is just too much excitement Laughing like crazy...ahem mmm maybe I am crazy!!! LOL [Wink]

can you guys move on NOW? lol...if your still in denial..your crazy!
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Not denial I'm still moving on! LOL My life didn't stop because of cshd! LOL~ Seems you are still here and can't pull yourself away! LOL~ [Wink]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
everyone sueing rufus righ tnow would be so easy, the SEC has already a case on him lol


lets destroy him!

Lets destroy him?

You say that as if you have some sort of involvement with CSHD. You have made it clear you want nothing to do with this stock. Oh wait, in your next post you say move on...do you mean destroy him and move on....or just move on?

Im so confused.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
FWIW, MA downloaded Rufus's computer at the BBQ. I was upstairs talking with him while he was doing it. He had to borrow another portable hard drive from one of the shareholders (someone he already knew...for all I know, it might have been JA) to get it all. Mike's statement on Rufus's computer info was that Rufus kept everything. He said if you told Rufus to screw off, he documented it. Mike also said that if he (Mike) would have been CEO through all of that, that we would have all been screwed because he wouldn't have kept up with it like Rufus.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Good info Milliam... quick question. When you were updating us all about the BBQ a while back. (Right after it happened.) Why did this not come up? I am not trying to split hairs, just thought that would have been a pretty awkward and fishy situation for a Bar-B-Q... Not to mention time consuming, downloading an entire computer can't be done in just a few minutes. It takes time unless you know specifically where things are that you want.

Just seems we could have used that info to predict or speculate a few of the recent activities.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OMG...I have been "gone a couple of days...My Leonberger just had her pups...11...the vet told me 3...
Anyways...any chance that somene could give me a short recap of wht the heck is going on? thanks!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Tax, I'm not real sure. To be honest I thought I brought this up in the past. If not, I guess it was just a case of too much information to remember. There were so many things happening there. Things kind of come back to me as my memory is jogged.

It wasn't really too awkward. He had started the whole thing before any of the shareholders came upstairs. He would just spin around and check the status every so often while he was talking to us.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
10...I'm not sure how far you're behind.

Mike Alexander filed a form 4 showing that he now has 75+ million shares. I guess that's what got Rufus back on SPR. I'm still listening to that now, so I'm not 100% on it.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Tax, I'm not real sure. To be honest I thought I brought this up in the past. If not, I guess it was just a case of too much information to remember. There were so many things happening there. Things kind of come back to me as my memory is jogged.

It wasn't really too awkward. He had started the whole thing before any of the shareholders came upstairs. He would just spin around and check the status every so often while he was talking to us.

OK well thanks for sharing... once again it does seem a bit strange in conversation now but it may have not been at the time.

In pure sarchasm... you didn't witness/see any other "normal happenings" did you? Mrs. Harris wasn't casually packing dishes in International crates the kitchen? Harris's daughters weren't playfully shredding documents in the rumpus room? No airport shuttle drivers out front with "Harris" signs?... [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

I am j/k but downloading a company computer at a party right held durring a Federal Court appearance doesn't seem kosher.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Towards the end of the SPR show, Don from HSM called in. He and Simon talked for quite some time. He explained all of the posts that were deleted and even talked about Jenna's banning. He said Jenna was wrong to post what she talked about with Alana...that Alana wouldn't have wanted that info out there. Simon agreed. Oh well...I guess they don't understand public knowledge, or they just don't want too many "know boats" around.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Tax, it didn't seem like a big deal since Mike has just taken over as CEO again. It made sense (and still kind of does) that Mike would need all of the information to run the company. He said he was going to give all of the info to the auditors so that they could approve it and CSHD could move on.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
10...I'm not sure how far you're behind.

Mike Alexander filed a form 4 showing that he now has 75+ million shares. I guess that's what got Rufus back on SPR. I'm still listening to that now, so I'm not 100% on it.

Yeah i'm farther behind than that...I'll catch up..thanks Milliam!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I seem to recall Alana telling someone before that it was ok to pass on info to other shareholders. Anyway, regardless...i dont really get why she is taking calls from shareholders anyway. I recall reading someplace that most of Alanas ramblings have all been delivered to the Judge covering the case. In any case i personally feel Don is full of it.
 
Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Towards the end of the SPR show, Don from HSM called in. He and Simon talked for quite some time. He explained all of the posts that were deleted and even talked about Jenna's banning. He said Jenna was wrong to post what she talked about with Alana...that Alana wouldn't have wanted that info out there. Simon agreed. Oh well...I guess they don't understand public knowledge, or they just don't want too many "know boats" around.

Yeah I thought the interview from Don was very informative... It is interesting when you get a chance to listen very carefully to someone describe their perspective of a situation. I believed him as being sincere for the most part but he did not convince me that his relationship with MA and JA was on the "up and up".

IMO his reasoning for deleting certain posts was not convincing. He could not remember the other users who he had deleted posts from, but I could. Interesting how he could not remember that the other usernames were all people who claimed to be on the SHC, and many made bold annoucements about their departure before their posts were removed. It is of my opinion that the SEC will probably have an increased interest in the goings on over there.

A lot of posturing going on. I have the feeling that some are realising that they may be standing to close to a guy who is a bonafide target.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I seem to recall Alana telling someone before that it was ok to pass on info to other shareholders. Anyway, regardless...i dont really get why she is taking calls from shareholders anyway. I recall reading someplace that most of Alanas ramblings have all been delivered to the Judge covering the case. In any case i personally feel Don is full of it.

She can pass info as long as it isn't damaging to the friends of the moderator. LOL! This stock is so crazy.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
everyone sueing rufus righ tnow would be so easy, the SEC has already a case on him lol


lets destroy him!

Lets destroy him?

You say that as if you have some sort of involvement with CSHD. You have made it clear you want nothing to do with this stock. Oh wait, in your next post you say move on...do you mean destroy him and move on....or just move on?

Im so confused.

move on and destroy him so at least we get SOME pleasure...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I seem to recall Alana telling someone before that it was ok to pass on info to other shareholders. Anyway, regardless...i dont really get why she is taking calls from shareholders anyway. I recall reading someplace that most of Alanas ramblings have all been delivered to the Judge covering the case. In any case i personally feel Don is full of it.

She can pass info as long as it isn't damaging to the friends of the moderator. LOL! This stock is so crazy.
*ZING*
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Hey .20, although it might be short lived lol.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Trade04, if there are still people in denial then i hope the reality of things are starting to sink in for them but the majority of the people posting here are not crazy.

There are now 2 stock message boards under scrutiny by RPH and several shareholders. At least on this board we are still given a forum to discuss the activities in CSHD as they take place. There are a lot of lessons to be learned here one way or another if you just pay attention once in a while.
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
I got 2500 shares at .17. I put my order in at .20 but it filled at .17.

What the hell. It's only money...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
I got 2500 shares at .17. I put my order in at .20 but it filled at .17.

What the hell. It's only money...

Well now that blows my theory on how i THOUGHT the gray market worked. How could that happen?
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Did you think only matched trades occurred? I used to think that also until HVLN came along. I can't remember if I ever posted info here or only on IHub, but a bunch of us did tests of setting buys and sells for various amounts to see what got filled. Trades were NEVER matched. It's all a bunch of BS, really [Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
I got 2500 shares at .17. I put my order in at .20 but it filled at .17.

What the hell. It's only money...

Well now that blows my theory on how i THOUGHT the gray market worked. How could that happen?

 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I didnt necessarily "think" anything except "Who the F is making the trade?".....but yes ive heard the matching trade theory and it made the most sense to me.

Are these trades taking place between a buyer and seller from the same broker? Then the brokers work out buys and sells between each other?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
did somebody say Flipper?
 -
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Haha, Glass.....yes i said flipper but then edited it LOL. Was probably not the best choice of word for what i was trying to say [Smile]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
grey sheet flipping would take brass cajones
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
u guys should be spendin gur money on dkam instead
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
I flipped HVLN twice on the greys. Pretty much unintentionally.

I put an order in to buy at .20 one time and I got filled after like two days. Then I immediately put in a sell at .30 and it executed the next day.

then another time I put in an order at .15 that executed after a few days and I put in a sell for .25 that executed a few days later. Neither was for a ton of money, but made like $600 between the two.

Just dumb luck though, certainly wouldn't suggest trying it.
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
Rufus on now SPR...replay of last night!
Hear it from the horses mouth!lol
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by justmakinmoney:
.

Hey you!!! How are you????
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Milliam- They talked about me on the show last night? Holy cow...I'm famous....I would have written in to Simon.....Don forgets that I wasn't the one who pulled that Alana Q & A over there......someone else did!!!

By the way, she knew I was going to share with other shareholders.....she said what she told me was public knowledge anyway....just an FYI....so that crap about her not wanting it out there is bunk- already public knowledge!!!
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Sorry Jenna, but I don't think they mentioned you by name. I think Don just talked about the situation at length. He did say he got lots of PM's and emails from people that were angry about pulling your info. I'll try to get a clip of this section of the show and send it your way.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Sorry Jenna, but I don't think they mentioned you by name. I think Don just talked about the situation at length. He did say he got lots of PM's and emails from people that were angry about pulling your info. I'll try to get a clip of this section of the show and send it your way.

That's funny......Thanks Milliam.....
 
Posted by Chart walker on :
 
wow....

The stock that just will not die ~

I'm AFRAID to ask......

"What next!?" [Smile]
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Chart walker:
wow....

The stock that just will not die ~

I'm AFRAID to ask......

"What next!?" [Smile]

$15 TPR, and a 6 for 1, Booyah. LOL, i wish.
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
I got 2500 shares at .17. I put my order in at .20 but it filled at .17.

What the hell. It's only money...

Well now that blows my theory on how i THOUGHT the gray market worked. How could that happen?
Cat ... A couple of weeks ago, I put an order in for 20,000 shares at .13 ....about 45 minutes later, I got them for .10 I was very surprised. I believe it was my Scottrade account.
[Smile]
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
I got 2500 shares at .17. I put my order in at .20 but it filled at .17.

What the hell. It's only money...

Well now that blows my theory on how i THOUGHT the gray market worked. How could that happen?
Cat ... A couple of weeks ago, I put an order in for 20,000 shares at .13 ....about 45 minutes later, I got them for .10 I was very surprised. I believe it was my Scottrade account.
[Smile]

Over $2500 worth of shares in a stock that everyone was saying was dead a couple of weeks ago? Thats either someone who is foolish, or someone who has alot of faith in certain people running the company [Wink]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Guys, THIS IS NOT A PUMP.....I don't know if any of you are in CKYS ( I am ) they just announced their product will be on Good Morning America tomarrow!!!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Guys, THIS IS NOT A PUMP.....I don't know if any of you are in CKYS ( I am ) they just announced their product will be on Good Morning America tomarrow!!!!

I was in that one for a bit, made a small profit. I had another buyin planned but it didnt dip as far as i thought it would so i missed it. Honestly though its been struggling, even on good news. Of course everyone has their theories as to why, in any case its unfortunate.

I might look for another entry point just in case some financial info comes out for them soon [Smile]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
FWIW...here's the Press Release

Source: CyberKey Solutions, Inc.

CyberKey Solutions, Inc.'s KeepSafe 2.0 to Be Featured on ABC's "Good Morning America"
Thursday February 1, 8:31 am ET

CyberKey Product to Be Displayed to Estimated 4.58 Million Viewers

ST. GEORGE, UT--(MARKET WIRE)--Feb 1, 2007 -- CyberKey Solutions, Inc. (Other OTC:CKYS.PK - News) is pleased to announce that the Company and its product, the KeepSafe 2.0, will be featured on ABC's "Good Morning America" on Friday, February 2, 2007. "Good Morning America" airs at 7 AM throughout the United States. "Good Morning America" will be featuring the CyberKey KeepSafe 2.0 in a security and technology segment that is expected to air within the first hour of the nationwide broadcast.

"Good Morning America" is a weekday morning news show that is broadcast to an average of 4.58 Million viewers daily on the ABC television network. The show was launched in 1975. It is recorded live from Times Square Studios in New York City and fed to all network affiliates. "Good Morning America" was the first network morning news program to broadcast in HDTV. The program is currently hosted by Diane Sawyer and Robin Roberts.

"This is an amazing opportunity and we plan to capitalize on being featured on a national morning news show hosted by one of the most well-known personalities on television. The KeepSafe is a revolutionary security tool that is not only useful to military and law enforcement personnel, but also for protecting families and their valuables as well. This is the continuation of big things for our company and shareholders," stated Jim Plant, CEO of CyberKey Solutions, Inc.

CyberKey Solutions, Inc. recently announced that the Company has reports net earnings of $12,884,030 for the fiscal year 2006. CyberKey Solutions has posted their 2006 unaudited financials on the Company's website, www.cyberkeysolutions.com, and also on www.pinksheets.com. The Company is currently in the process of auditing their financial statements and is expecting to file them in the near future.

About CyberKey Solutions, Inc.:

CyberKey Solutions, Inc. is currently fulfilling a $25 Million purchase order to various segments of the U.S. Government. CyberKey Solutions, Inc., based in St. George, Utah, partners with industry leading manufacturers and distributors to deliver secure USB drive-based solutions to vertical markets and content owners, service providers and resellers. CyberKey's solutions solve real world issues in the entertainment, education, government, military, automotive, financial services and medical industries. CyberKey Solutions' technologies allow users to securely transfer large amounts of data, files and applications software from one electronic device to another while employing a patent pending USB-based Digital Rights Management process. CyberKey's solutions create new opportunities for existing industries and applications. For more information, please visit their website at www.cyberkeysolutions.com.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
This was yesterday Mr C...not much of a bounce...IMO.

Press Release Source: CyberKey Solutions, Inc.

CyberKey Solutions, Inc. Reports Over $12.5 Million in Net Earnings and $33 Million in Revenues for 2006
Monday January 29, 9:06 am ET

Posts Fiscal Year 2006 Unaudited Financial Statements on www.pinksheets.com

ST. GEORGE, UT--(MARKET WIRE)--Jan 29, 2007 -- CyberKey Solutions, Inc. (Other OTC:CKYS.PK - News) is pleased to announce that the Company has reported net earnings of $12,884,030 for the fiscal year 2006. CyberKey Solutions has posted their 2006 unaudited financials on the Company's website, www.cyberkeysolutions.com, and also on www.pinksheets.com. The Company is currently in the process of auditing their financial statements and is expecting to file them in the near future.
According to the unaudited financial statements, CyberKey Solutions has generated over $33,000,000 in revenues, which includes the purchase order from various federal government agencies for 150,000 CyberKey units. CyberKey has also reported total assets exceeding $28,000,000, which is a 45% increase over the $19,500,000 in assets reported for the first half of 2006. The Company has also received a number of additional orders as a result of their appearances at numerous trade shows and online marketing campaigns.

"This was truly an amazing year for the growth of our company and it is reflected in our financial statements. We will continue to aggressively market our cutting edge security solutions and product line to our ever expanding list of vertical markets," stated Jim Plant, CEO of CyberKey Solutions, Inc.

CyberKey Solutions, Inc. recently announced that the KeepSafe 2.0 is now featured on the DOD EMALL website. The DOD EMALL is a single point of entry for Department of Defense and federal government customers to find and acquire off-the-shelf items, finished goods, and services from the commercial marketplace and government sources. DOD EMALL buyers include all branches of the U.S. Armed Services, the U.S. Postal Service as well as the FBI and DEA, among many others.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Back up to .19.

No news, just old fashioned people wanting it!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I think we will have news sometime between tomarrow afternoon and Monday night.....(I hope) & (I hope it's good news)....
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Shew... glad that wasn't a pump. I might have bought it.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
LOL Tax!!!
 
Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
Well, HSM just got the plug pulled for the afternoon.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I know it has been outta control since last night. People don't know what to think.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
HSM is back.

I'm glad our mod.doesn't have to put up with idiots [Razz]
 
Posted by fhalyesss on :
 
Originally Posted by joker
Question: Who has the power to ban on this board?


This is the reason I ask:

Thread: CSHD - 10/2 Amazon Log Deal, Incredible interview with Rufus and Ben.
Oct 8th, 2006, 11:18 PM #10186
bodi
HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 594

Turds...i'm looking to ban somebody...who should it be turds?

Peace


[Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
I find this odd,

bodi is posting on hsm right now and his post# over there is 595.

The post from above,also brought over from hsm, dated 10-8-06, his post # was 594?

Can someone explain this? No laughing at me now! [Smile]
 
Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
Ocqueoc,

You can go look at your first post and it will say 204 posts ... it is your post total that it shows.
 
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
 
Just catching up. Thank you Jenna and all who posted what was being said on SPR last night.
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by justmakinmoney:
Ocqueoc,

You can go look at your first post and it will say 204 posts ... it is your post total that it shows.

Thanks,
Boy do I feel stupid!!!
I never noticed that the old post #'s changed right along with the new ones. [Roll Eyes]

Then again, why would I? I rarely ever look at past posts. { feeble attempt to make me appear smarter} Did it work? Ha-ha
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Welcome, justmakinmoney....
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Hey there Jenna,

Isn't it close to your bedtime?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Yes, StockMomma, I'm tired.....

Good Night......
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good night to all and to all a good night.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
From HSM Post by Bodi tonight.

Originally Posted by bodi
FYI…

I have always liked Rufus, but he may have put himself in a no win situation with the SEC…

It appears we have MASSIVE NSS on this company and DD will prove them right if we don’t come together as a singular force, however. They will be wrong to go long on us if the SEC will allow us to bring in the new business to the company…I believe they will, JA is in charge right now…Rufus set a incredible stage to trap shorts…the shorts are hosed…

Rufus would draw massive followers to this stock and be smart enough to squeeze them all…but ego may not allow the SEC to sign off on his leadership…MA WILL NEVER BE THE CEO OF THIS CO BY HIS OWN CHOICE!…JA is our current leader and with Rufus’ help and the shareholders support will finish the plans to end NSS and increase shareholder value.

We all should be thankful the SEC has not moved this company into receivership as this would cause us all to loose our investments.

We all need to work together for the common goal and stop the bs infighting.

That’s all I can say ATM…

Peace and GLTA…



Wally
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
From HSM Post by Bodi tonight.

Originally Posted by bodi
FYI…

I have always liked Rufus, but he may have put himself in a no win situation with the SEC…

It appears we have MASSIVE NSS on this company and DD will prove them right if we don’t come together as a singular force, however. They will be wrong to go long on us if the SEC will allow us to bring in the new business to the company…I believe they will, JA is in charge right now…Rufus set a incredible stage to trap shorts…the shorts are hosed…

Rufus would draw massive followers to this stock and be smart enough to squeeze them all…but ego may not allow the SEC to sign off on his leadership…MA WILL NEVER BE THE CEO OF THIS CO BY HIS OWN CHOICE!…JA is our current leader and with Rufus’ help and the shareholders support will finish the plans to end NSS and increase shareholder value.

We all should be thankful the SEC has not moved this company into receivership as this would cause us all to loose our investments.

We all need to work together for the common goal and stop the bs infighting.

That’s all I can say ATM…

Peace and GLTA…



Wally

lol we all lost our investment.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Interesting how he says "MA WILL NEVER BE THE CEO OF THIS CO BY HIS OWN CHOICE"...Why didn't he say "I will never...."?

I guess I'll wade in over there and see what else he had to say. I think he's got some splainin' to do on lots of things.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
clarkeysmalls on HSM found some Dr. Mensah news. He's been hired by a digital media co., WDMG.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
FWIW- Here's how I think things have to happen.....

1) Get new funding, new JV - by getting new funding the company can go to court & ask the SEC if the company can use this new assets in the new filings instead of the bonds.....if the company were to open the default without a new asset what would be their leverage...the company
would have nothing to negotiate with.....

2) Go to court file a Notice of Appearance, ask the SEC if they can use the new assets on the filings when they are re - done , instead of the bonds.....

3) SEC has to decide if they will allow that or not.....if the SEC does....

4) Company has to redo filings using new assets...

5) Once the filings are redone, MM's can sign on...& will quote on the OTCBB.....starting quote will be what ever the MM thinks the company is worth....

6) Continue with the business plan....."Back to business"......


****This is just how I see things....not sure if that's what the plan is....there are a lot of variables....& this would take time....Also, I remember Mike A. posted something on HSM that was a list of things that needed to be done before this could get on track again....I will try to find it...*******
 
Posted by ruthie on :
 
At least some news has come out...
 
Posted by ruthie on :
 
Sorry, the news I was speaking of came out on Jan 24th. Would be nice to see something new...
 
Posted by winner on :
 
holding but just added RYQG as it looks like 20¢ is not far away.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I am starting to have a new appreciation for Bob and Allstocks.

Keep up the outstanding work and thank you for keeping this site civil.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
I am starting to have a new appreciation for Bob and Allstocks.

Keep up the outstanding work and thank you for keeping this site civil.

LOL...

here's Bob at work:

 -
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
Originally Posted by formerkimemp
hopefully this won't get me banned; just received this from RPH


Please post the following;

To: The Owner of HSM

From: Rufus Paul Harris
Chief Executive Officer
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp

Subject: The Ban

Thank You for banning me, You have more than likely saved me from myself, LOL.

Advice to you, back-up your files and do not delete my inbox and folders.

(Proof that Micheal Alexander had moderator rights)

May God have mercy on your soul for saying anything otherwise.

GODSPEED

Rufus Paul Harris
Chief Executive Officer
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp

Now why the hell would he send that to you?Oh and since he was banned how did he send it to you? Private email?? I doubt that
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
ugh oh they are closed for awhile now~LOL I think the mod might be a lil upset! Wonder why?? ~LOL Smile it'll get better~LOL [Wink]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
a CEO posting on message boards and giving SPR interviews is highly "irregular" to say the least...

(i think) people owning more than 5% of a companies stock also fall under different guidelines than "ordinary" investors do(i think)

i'm not clear on what is legal or illegal about it, since we haven't seen any charges against them yet? we'll have to wait to find out...

one other thing? it's very hard to be sure these really are the people they claim to be without conducting an investigation, and i HOPE the SEC is doing it...
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
yeah, this sure is strange and weird as far as stocks go lol [Wink]
 
Posted by CRab on :
 
my god...looks like same old same old here...
 
Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
Highly unlikely that message is real.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by justmakinmoney:
Highly unlikely that message is real.

If you are talking about the Rufus message, it sounds just like him.

THe one thing that has bothered me the most about Rufus is the fact that he listens to people contacting him whether through emails, phone or messages boards. He sometimes takes them for their word instead of doing his own DD and makes baltant comments. Look at the whole fiasco with the CEO message to IHUB and now HSM. I don't like that he goes off half cocked.

Not saying it's the only thing I don't like but definately not a good quality.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
wow, the mod. at hsm is not playing around anymore.

Yesterday he closed it done for an hour or two, now it is closed until sometime over the weekend. If anyone tries to open a thread on cshd, they will be banned.

Hi, Glass,
How ya doing? We will be good here. [Smile]
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Its not that bad that he closed it down, 85% of that thread was useless crap that shouldve been kept to pm's.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
OT: It's a party line Igor... what is wrong. You don't like to party? j/k [Big Grin]

Anyway... everyone try and hold your bladders on Sunday. Otherwise you will miss my Colts kicking the snot out of Chi'town.

Cuz we know you are not going to the restroom durring the ever important Superbowl comercials or Prince Halftime show. [Big Grin] [Big Grin] [Big Grin]

GO COLTS!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
closed at .20
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
The two best days in ones life, is the day he buys his boat, and the day he sells his boat. Trying to get rid of this tug....
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
Overstock.com Announces Lawsuit Against Prime Brokers
Friday February 2, 4:20 pm ET
Seeks $3.48 Billion in Damages

SALT LAKE CITY, Feb. 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Overstock.com, Inc. (Nasdaq: OSTK - News) announced today that it has filed a lawsuit in the Superior Court of California, County of San Francisco against Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated, Goldman Sachs & Co., Bear Stearns Companies, Inc., Bank of America Securities LLC, Bank of New York, Citigroup Inc., Credit Suisse (USA) Inc., Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc., Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith, Inc., UBS Financial Services, Inc., and others. Certain shareholders of the company have joined Overstock.com in the suit.
The suit alleges that the defendants, who control over 80% of the prime brokerage market, participated in a massive, illegal stock market manipulation scheme and that the defendants had no intention of covering such orders with borrowed stock, as they are required to do, causing what are referred to as "fails to deliver." The suit also alleges that the defendants' actions cause....

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070202/laf041.html?.v=83
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
Overstock.com Announces Lawsuit Against Prime Brokers
Friday February 2, 4:20 pm ET
Seeks $3.48 Billion in Damages

SALT LAKE CITY, Feb. 2 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Overstock.com, Inc. (Nasdaq: OSTK - News) announced today that it has filed a lawsuit in the Superior Court of California, County of San Francisco against Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated, Goldman Sachs & Co., Bear Stearns Companies, Inc., Bank of America Securities LLC, Bank of New York, Citigroup Inc., Credit Suisse (USA) Inc., Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc., Merrill Lynch, Pierce, Fenner & Smith, Inc., UBS Financial Services, Inc., and others. Certain shareholders of the company have joined Overstock.com in the suit.
The suit alleges that the defendants, who control over 80% of the prime brokerage market, participated in a massive, illegal stock market manipulation scheme and that the defendants had no intention of covering such orders with borrowed stock, as they are required to do, causing what are referred to as "fails to deliver." The suit also alleges that the defendants' actions cause....

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070202/laf041.html?.v=83

Looks like somebody decided to take action instead of talk about it. Wow, and he didn't have to get the stock delisted to do it. Amazing I guess. Hopefully the suit in and of itself will cause a ripple effect and help straighten out the situation or even bring enough exposure so that it gets more than lip service. But who really knows.

Good Luck
Wally
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
it amazes me how many people say FTD and naked shorting is a myth....

even if a company is a POS? FTD is no different from marking cards or using fake chips at Vegas...

OSTK:
Stock Exchange / Market : NASDAQ
Listed 449 Consecutive Market Days. On SHO List as of 04/22/2005 Through 02/01/2007


http://www.nasdaqtrader.com/aspx/regsho.aspx
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Figures...I finally get here and everyone's gone home (or to HSM for some humor). We ended up for the day so that was good. No news though. OK now we just need to wait for the SUPERBOWL and we can all start over again Monday.

GO BEARS!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
The Fall of the SEC
by Mark Faulk

Mark this week down on your calendars. In fact, do it Jim Cramer style: take a sharpie and write in big black letters across the entire week “THIS IS THE BEGINNING OF THE END!”

After years of calls for stock market reform being ignored by the SEC, by Congress, by Wall Street, and by the media, the tide has finally begun to turn. After decades of the average investor being first lured into, then robbed blind in the stock market by Wall Street insiders, major brokerage firms, and hedge funds while our federal officials sat idly by and watched, or worse yet, participated in the splitting up of the loot, there is light at the end of what up until now has been a dark tunnel. A couple of major events this week signaled impending defeat for those who have conspired to rob our country blind in blatant disregard of the very values upon which America was founded.

The first event took place, as is often the case in the world of politics, behind closed doors. A Tuesday afternoon phone call from a person who has long been a behind-the-scenes advocate for returning honesty and integrity to our financial markets first gave me reason to feel renewed hope. This is someone who has been working quietly but tirelessly to help those of us who have been sounding the alarm for years, the same person who helped to set up a Senate Banking Committee hearing over two years ago, only to have it killed by then Banking Committee Chairman Sen. Richard Shelby (R-AL).

This is the gist of that phone call: Senator Bob Bennett (R-UT), one of the few members of Congress whose hands seem to be clean enough to speak out for America on this issue, has been educating the new Democratic Chairman of the Banking Committee, Sen. Chris Dodd (D-CT) on the issues of stock market fraud. According to Bennett, Dodd is “open to discussing the issue,” and to possibly reopening the hearing into the SEC in the Senate Banking Committee…or should I say open to conducting the hearings that were never allowed to take place in 2005. Meetings were set up to discuss the issue, and I forwarded a few relevant articles to give to Sen. Dodd in hopes of showing that even recent tepid efforts by the SEC to deal with fraud were nothing more than slaps on the wrists, fines generally amounting to a fraction of the damage done to companies and shareholders.

Along with the articles to back it up, I sent this short email at 3 in the morning after driving 350 miles from beautiful Lubbock, TX. on a business trip, back home to Middle America, USA:

Here are a couple of recent articles about hedge funds and naked short selling. The issue is finally beginning to receive some mainstream limited press, and the SEC is still essentially doing nothing to stop it. Hedge funds still aren't regulated, and the ones that are caught receive slaps on the wrist.

In recent months, in case after case, the SEC has negotiated fines that have a huge disconnect with the amount of money stolen and the damage done to companies and investors, and usually with the perpetrator "neither denying or admitting guilt." The fines are so small that they have become merely a cost of doing business.

Recently, Eagletech won a decision against the DTC to have an estimated 40,000 pages of documents concerning alleged trading violations released to the company's attorneys, although no charges have been filed yet.

Novastar has had some favorable recent rulings as well, but again, nothing major.

Also, a 21 year-old kid was arrested just last week who hacked into online accounts of investors and used their accounts....and their money....to manipulate the price of 17 penny stocks. One CEO, Hugo Cancio of Fuego Entertainment (FUGO.OB), was on my radio show last week, and described how his stock, which has only 9 million free-trading shares, was manipulated from over $1.40 a share to under .20 in a matter of weeks (the stock actually lost 90% of its value in three trading days), by this same 21 year-old. My main point on the show was that the SEC and the stock market regulators should take this as a sign that something is terribly wrong with the system. If a 21 year-old can do severe damage to 17 companies that easily, imagine what damage "the professional con artists" can, and are, doing.

This is beyond crisis stage, and I firmly believe that the destruction of our incubator companies by unregulated hedge funds, and the moving of massive amounts of our country's wealth offshore, has directly contributed to our country's recent downslide in our position as the world economic leader. Forget about outsourcing our jobs, we're outsourcing our wealth, and killing jobs even before they are created.

This is an issue that rests squarely with the SEC, DTC, and Wall Street, whose neglect and even collusion with hedge funds has resulted in record profits for brokers and obscene wealth for hedge fund managers....at the expense of our country's economic well-being. This is a house of cards, and it's teetering dangerously close to collapse.

Hope this helps....if I can do anything else, please feel free to call me. Thanks for all your help, without people like you, this would be a lost cause, and the damage to our economy would eventually become irreversible.

Did a single email dashed off at 3 in the morning, and the accompanying articles help shed a little light on the problems we face as investors, and America faces as a nation in crisis? It’s hard to say, but I do know this: more than one senator has said that the only way to force action from Congress is to speak out, to let them know that America wants our broken system fixed. Or better yet, dismantled altogether and reassembled in a way that safeguards against fraud, instead of one filled with built-in loopholes.

So here’s the plan: Every American who feels as if they have been wronged by a corrupt stock market, and indeed, every American who understands the financial drain on our country and the loss of jobs and productivity due to victimized companies, needs to raise their voices in unison. AMERICA NEEDS TO SPEAK OUT, AND SPEAK OUT NOW.

When Senator Chris Dodd returns to work next Monday, he needs to walk into an office that has been buried in emails and phone calls, all calling for one thing – a Senate Banking Committee investigation into fraud on Wall Street, and a thorough investigation into the SEC.

Two other more public events capped off the week that signaled the beginning of the end for the SEC. On Thursday, the day after meetings were held in Washington, two other senators renewed their own attacks on the SEC in a case involving SEC attorney Gary J. Aguirre, who was fired for attempting to question Wall Street kingpin John J. Mack.

Senator Charles Grassley (R-IA) said that “The S.E.C. should have taken Mr. Aguirre’s allegations seriously. Instead, it circled the wagons and shot the whistle-blower — an all-too-familiar practice in Washington.” He also said that the SEC’s investigation into the case “was plagued with problems from its beginning to its abrupt conclusion. The termination of Mr. Aguirre by the S.E.C. was highly suspect given the timing and circumstances.”

Senator Arlen Spector (R-PA) saved his harshest words for the SEC.’s inspector general, Walter J. Stachnik. Spector said that in all his years in the Senate he could not recall “an I.G. who said less, did less and was thoroughly inadequate in the investigation.”
An inquiry conducted by the Senate Judiciary and Finance Committees, and released on Thursday, said that “At best, the picture shows extraordinarily lax enforcement by the S.E.C. At worse, the picture is colored with overtones of a possible cover-up.”

Finally, members of Congress are beginning to say what advocates of stock market reform have known all along, that the SEC is as corrupt as the stock market that they are responsible for overseeing. While it is obvious that there are rank-and-file employees who are hardworking and honest, the corruption at the top of the SEC is way beyond criminal, it is treasonous.

AMERICA NEEDS TO SPEAK OUT, AND SPEAK OUT NOW!

To top off a week that will be remembered as one of the turning points in the battle to return honesty and integrity to our financial markets, Overstock.com filed a $3.5 billion lawsuit in California state court Friday against 10 of the largest U.S. securities firms, accusing them of participating in a “massive, illegal stock market manipulation scheme” to defraud the company and its shareholders.

Overstock's suit names Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Bank of America, Bank of New York, Citigroup. Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, Merrill Lynch, and UBS as defendants in the lawsuit.

Patrick Byrne has been under relentless attack from a number of financial media reporters, many of whom have ties to hedge funds and short sellers themselves, for joining forces with other stock market reform advocates in calling for a major overhaul of our financial system. That Congress has finally begun to awaken to the problem at the same time that Overstock’s lawsuit is filed is poetic justice for Byrne, and vindication for those who have battled against power, greed, and wealth in an effort to save our country from financial ruin.

As satisfying as this week has been to those of us who have spent years fighting a battle that at times seemed at times to be almost a hopeless cause, we cannot rest in our efforts. Now is the time to sound the alarm even louder than before, to spread the word across our country before it’s too late. Now is the time to let Senate Banking Committee Chairman Chris Dodd know that this issue will not simply go away.

One last time, in unison: AMERICA NEEDS TO SPEAK OUT, AND SPEAK OUT NOW!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Lets take a minute to remember and honor those who are shareholders of record on OCT 16th 2006. Especially when and if we have a vote.
I don't understand the vote, because so far all it has taken is the major shareholders to decide on anything so far. Now we are gonna be asked??????????
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Originally Posted by H2omd0 from HSM:...great find!

Want to see how Judge Clarence Cooper does his job. I think we can trust the judge.

The Securities and Exchange Commission ("Commission") announced today that on July 28, 2006, the Honorable Clarence Cooper, United States District Judge for the Northern District of Georgia, issued an order requiring Arnold E. Johns, Jr. of Atlanta, Georgia, to pay $372,578 of disgorgement, plus prejudgment interest of $399,209, for his 1996 illegal insider trading. The ruling came after an evidentiary hearing held July 17, 2006, and follows a remand from the Eleventh Circuit which directed that the district court conduct the evidentiary hearing.

Johns was president and a director of Vista 2000, Inc., a now defunct consumer products company formerly headquartered in Roswell, Georgia. Vista's common stock previously traded on the NASDAQ SmallCap Market until it became listed on the NASDAQ National Market on February 13, 1996. Subsequently, on May 31, 1996, Vista's stock was delisted.

Judge Cooper found that Johns unlawfully sold 47,500 shares of Vista 2000, Inc. stock over an 11-day period in February 1996 while he was in possession of material, nonpublic information regarding Vista 2000, Inc. The information Johns possessed was not publicly disclosed until April 15, 1996, after the close of the market. As a result, Johns has now been ordered to pay a total of $771,787.

Response posted by CDR Avanti:

good one, H2o,
Good news= the crook got caught.
Bad news= took 10 years + appeals.
Salute

Response posted by St. Matthew:

I have some good news and I have some bad news... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Anyone listen to the replay of the Oct. SPR show with Mike, Rufus, Sabra, and Tut? I haven't heard the whole thing yet, but it is very interesting to listen to. I did hear the part where Mike talked about his preferred shares and Rufus pointed out that he didn't have those anymore. Mike kind of argued, but then said they'd just talk about it later.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
milliam, I remember that. Sounded like a greed thing would ensue immediately after the broadcast.
What do you think about the record holders of date for Oct. 16th? It sounds to me like they are eligible, especially if they are on the nobo list, don't you think?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Financial Services
Naked Short Victim Strikes Back
Liz Moyer, 02.02.07, 6:35 PM ET

Overstock.com filed a $3.5 billion lawsuit in California state court Friday accusing 10 of the largest U.S. securities firms of participating in a "massive, illegal stock market manipulation scheme" to distort its stock.

The Salt Lake City online retailer, whose Chief Executive Patrick Byrne has been crusading against stock market trading abuses not just in Overstock shares but as a broad, pervasive market problem, said the banks' actions caused "dramatic distortions" in how Overstock shares were traded and lead to a dramatic decline in its price.

Overstock shares are down 77% in the past two years.

"These manipulative activities have caused tremendous damage to Overstock," Byrne said in a statement Friday. "I believe that this conduct is harming our company and our shareholders deeply."

Overstock's lawsuit says the amount of stock that was improperly shorted has exceeded the company's entire supply of outstanding shares. "It's about rigging the system," says Overstock's attorney, James Christian.

Overstock's suit names Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Bear Stearns, Bank of America, Bank of New York, Citigroup, Credit Suisse, Deutsche Bank, Merrill Lynch, and UBS as defendants. None of the defendants had any immediate comment on the suit.

Byrne's self-described crusade against trading abuses over the last two years has brought a heap of criticism down on him, but regulators have acknowledged that there are loopholes that make the system ripe for abuse.

Going after the so-called prime brokers, the securities firms that provide stock lending and financing services to hedge funds, is another way to tackle the problem of naked short-selling, a manipulative trading tactic that can drive down share prices artificially and threaten the viability of small publicly traded companies.

Prime brokerage is one of the hottest businesses on Wall Street but little understood outside the world of finance. It essentially is the business of catering to hedge funds, acting as their trading counterparties, financing those trades, and loaning stock and other securities for funds to execute short-selling strategies.

According to Vodia Group, a New York firm that analyzes securities lending portfolios for traders at hedge funds and other asset managers, securities lending rakes in between $8 billion and $10 billion in annual revenues for Wall Street.

In regular short-selling, a trader borrows stock, sells it, and waits (or prays) for the price to drop before buying shares back to repay that loan and pocket the difference. There are rules for assuring that the shares have been properly borrowed, and everyone is supposed to abide them.

In naked short-selling, the trader sells the shares without properly borrowing the stock. When the stock isn't properly borrowed, the buyer at the other end of that short-sale doesn't get delivery of the shares within the mandated three-day window. The buyer also loses out on voting rights and tax-advantages until the short-seller closes out the position.

Now, fast working market makers are allowed to sell without borrowing to keep orderly markets. But naked short-selling as a strategy in and of itself is illegal. It is, however, highly tempting for both prime broker and hedge fund trader.

From the prime broker's perspective, fees can be made by lending out the same sought-after shares to multiple traders at the same time. So prime broker A has 100 shares of Company A and lends 100 shares to trader X, 100 shares to trader Y and 100 shares to trader Z. Obviously 200 of those loaned-out shares don't actually exist, and will result in a trade delivery failure.

From the trader's perspective, a naked short can be less costly, since they have to pay more to borrow hard-to-borrow shares that are usually the choice targets of short-sellers anyway.

Having all those excess shares in the market artificially reduces the price of a stock, Overstock contends in its lawsuit. Overstock has been a regular on a list of Nasdaq-listed stocks that have large and persistent failures-to-deliver since that list started being published in January 2005.

It's tough to say who is more at fault in naked short-selling, the hedge fund executing the short strategy without properly borrowing the shares, or the prime broker for either assisting or turning a blind eye to the practice.

In two suits filed last year in New York federal court, a small hedge fund and a small brokerage accused the same 10 banks named in Friday's Overstock suit of charging them for services they never received. In other words, the prime brokers supposedly took their fees for stock lending services, but never properly lent them shares for their legitimate shorting strategies, unbeknownst to them.

Last summer, 40 investors in the Kansas City real estate investment trust Novastar Financial filed suit in California court against the same prime brokers, saying they were responsible for artificially suppressing Novastar stock by skirting stock lending and clearing and settlement rules.

Byrne has spent the last two years pushing legislators, regulators, and anyone else who will listen to reform the system. The Securities and Exchange Commission is combing through comment letters on proposed amendments to short-selling rules that could close some loopholes, but efforts in state legislatures to clamp down on brokerages have largely failed.

Last year, sympathetic lawmakers in Overstock's home state of Utah shoveled a bill through the state legislature and got it signed into law after a special session in May. The new law would have forced brokerages to report trade delivery failures in shares of Utah companies to the state's securities director within 24-hours, or face paying a sort of fine to those issuers.

But the Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, Wall Street's trade group in Washington, threatened a lawsuit in federal court and got the governor of Utah to capitulate on enforcing the law until June, supposedly to give the SEC time to reform the rules on a national level.

Several other bills in legislatures across the country have been stalled in the last few weeks by a similar threat of litigation by the industry group.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
I wonder if Rufus is going to be mad at Patrick Byrne for stealing some of his thunder [Big Grin] ?
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Hopefully they are working together on this stuff...but does Rufus work with anyone?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
I don't care who is "claiming" to be working with who. I think it is high time to see a lawyer in the mix who is actively looking to open the default.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
In my opinion RPH is not CEO of CSHD, but he has more right to the title than JA at this point. Until I see a court document that says "this person {Insert Name Here} is present as representative of Conversion Solutions Holding Corp". I am not buying anything that is being sold.

Now I might have missed something that happened this weekend, I have not gone back and played catch up yet. But jockeying for postition does nothing at this point until a lawyer enters a federal court for this company.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Any word on JA being back from overseas?
Didn't Rufas say that something would happen or be filed on or about the 5th? I haven't been keeping tabs on all of this...TIA!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
10 I was wondering the same thing about Arlitt, he's been gone quite a while.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
10, I believe you are thinking about the new SEC regulation that is supposed to go into effect today. He mentioned it in the last interview, sorry i dont have the link here at the office.

As for Arlitt.......well........thats a good question
 
Posted by minkybodl on :
 
This was the link, i read it was postponded a month.

http://www.dtc.org/impntc/ope/ope_0872-07.pdf
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
As far as I know, and I know nothing, No word from JA.

THe Feb 5th date was for the reform on the SEC reg but the SEC pushed it back to March of this year.

THe only thing Rufus has continually stated lately was to watch PACER and Nothing has appeared there yet.

OT: I posted a stock a couple weeks back for the board since we are stalled. GMSC it closed today at .002 up 100% from my buy at .001 but is still looking pretty strong. last year it ran over a penny twice. Not sure if it will do the same here but could easily hit .003 to .004 this week. I'll post a chart and let you all decide what to do.

As for me I'm just looking to make a little money while this soap opera continuees.

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=gmsc&time=&freq =

Good Luck
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
So, Rufus has a few days to get us that 140 page proxy.....He said Feb 9th & Simon added 2 more weeks for him.....which put it at the 23rd.....I guess we will see............he keeps saying to watch Pacers.....anything there?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
For the people looking for John, would it matter if he was back with a signed deal?......people will have a problem with him no matter what....so why look for him.....besides whoever gets to the court house with a lawyer wins, so Rufus has had over a week while John's been gone to get there....I wonder why he didn't take advantage of it? ......I hope someone/anyone gets to the court soon......
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
I sure wish someone would put in an order to buy my shares . I've had them for sale for 4 days now .
 
Posted by atthebank on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
As far as I know, and I know nothing, No word from JA.

THe Feb 5th date was for the reform on the SEC reg but the SEC pushed it back to March of this year.

THe only thing Rufus has continually stated lately was to watch PACER and Nothing has appeared there yet.

OT: I posted a stock a couple weeks back for the board since we are stalled. GMSC it closed today at .002 up 100% from my buy at .001 but is still looking pretty strong. last year it ran over a penny twice. Not sure if it will do the same here but could easily hit .003 to .004 this week. I'll post a chart and let you all decide what to do.

As for me I'm just looking to make a little money while this soap opera continuees.

http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=gmsc&time=&freq =

Good Luck
Wally

Nice tip Wally, I remeber you posting that a couple of weeks ago,I didn't get in but wishing I would have.
I'll take heed to your tips more seriously from now on. THANKS
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
No Problem atthebank. Since we are all in the same boat, no matter whether we agree or not as to who will get us out of the quagmire. We can help each other by attempting to find a few good plays to make some money.

One thing I hope we all remember is that no matter what the play is or how great the future may look, the only profits we can keep are those we take off the table.

With GMSC or any other play I will be taking money off the table on the way up and selling the balance before the bottom drops out. Lesson learned from CSHD as well as SLJB and many others plays. What goes up will come down.

If we don't get greedy we will live to trade another day.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wally- nice pick!!! Congrats!!
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Hey Jenna, your inbox is full.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Wally- nice pick!!! Congrats!!

Thank You, Jenna. There's still room on this boat and everybody is in the know boat on this one. No loud mouthed CEO's. secret meetings, inside info that get's leaked just a nice solid chart play with a company that has a verifiable product. All you have to do is Google Qbanito and Big Lou. THe info is there. Real assets.

I really like the people that have been involved here in this stock, as far as those that have posted, I hate what the company has done.

I hope for us all to prosper.

Good Luck
Wally
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
I sure wish someone would put in an order to buy my shares . I've had them for sale for 4 days now .

Its a shame, i just got my fills complete nearly 4 days ago for about 80k shares.. i woulda gladly bought yours.
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
LOL


NO ONE IS BUYING!!!!! [Eek!] [Eek!] [Eek!]


RUFUS IS A CROOK.
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
POOR JJSEABROOK.. RUFUS GOT ON HIS A$$ THE LAST TIME IN SPR. LOL


WTF RUFUS IS DOING IN SPR ANYWAY???????
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
I sure wish someone would put in an order to buy my shares . I've had them for sale for 4 days now .

Its a shame, i just got my fills complete nearly 4 days ago for about 80k shares.. i woulda gladly bought yours.
At this point I would have gladly sold them to you .
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ok, so i put a bit of time into the "old days" because I was around in June and things today just dont add up with how i recall them. Well, along the way i find interesting things.

"Thecon" I think you will especially appreciate this because i believe you emailed one of the "non profit orgs" and got the canned message back. Did you actually email CEOTA or was it one of the others?

Anyway, with current events as they are....regarding CEOTA mostly, i found this interesting.

http://www.allstocks.com/stockmessageboard/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/ubb/get_topic/ f/8/t/022582/p/15.html?

curmire5
Member


Member Rated:
posted June 27, 2006 15:59
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I sent this email to ceota yesterday and today fronthaul responded to my email. hold your resolve gentleman, we will be in profit any time now.

Mr. Whitmire,

This email was forwarded to me by the CEOTA. Everything is complete
between
our two companies except we are waiting for a copy of the most recent
license from Brazil. As soon as this license comes in we will sign the
contract and begin operations. We expect the license in any day now.
Thank
you for your support.


Cheers,

Mike Alexander

P.S. The negotiations are complete, The contract is ready to be signed,
There are no complications.

-----Original Message-----
>
>
> dear carl, I am investor and have invested in the fronthaul group, I
am
one of several that I communicate with on our message board, there have
been
questions that have arised I hope you can answer for me.
> is the contract still in the negotiating stage?
> is the contract about to be signed and will there be a press release
when
it is signed.
> is there complications?
> thank you in advance.
> sincerely curtis
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
BS

GIVE IT UP .....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Give it up? Naw, not until the "official" word is in. And in the meantime ill trade some other stocks but i will continue to follow this one because it interests me.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Very intersting find there CAT...and why was MA answering the emails back then for a company that today he claims was not real?
AND? Remember when JA was the one answering the emails for CSHD in order to "help MA" out?
Has it bee established as to the relationship between MA and JA? how long was it that they knew each other?

Does anyone know how one is able to offer/register 50+ million shares for sale on the berlin exchange?
Do you have do be a citizen or something? Is JA still a citizen?

Stuff is VERY odd...
that scroll from Ickhub...that claims Rufas and all were the ones selling during the run up? and It was MA (lonstartrader) that was starting the rumors? Friggin this is nuts...
so many people talking out their behinds...that I am not sure anyone has a clue what the real situation/truth is....

AND? Where the hell is SABRA??!!!

Portman are you out there? any light that can be shed?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yea, its an interesting circle of deceit going on here IMO 10. I too wonder how long MA and JA have known each other....and how they met.

About the 50 million or so shares and the Berlin exchange. I hope someone with some knowledge in that area can maybe elaborate?
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
10,
I have a feeling we will not be seeing Portman.IMO

Maybe a different name?

Come on Mark, make a liar out of me [Razz]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
10,
I have a feeling we will not be seeing Portman.IMO

Maybe a different name?

Come on Mark, make a liar out of me [Razz]

Portman isnt "missing" he just doesnt hang with the CSHD crew anymore. He last posted with us on December 8th but posted on another thread January 19th. The funny thing is, that "scroll" from Paltalk that was being passed around IHUB is from mid January and although they mention James quite a few times Mark is never mentioned. So, as far as I can tell the MA camp is still running the show.....or at least they think they are?

Bah, dunno.....same old song and dance
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
10, I believe Rufus, on the last SPR show, said he had talked with Sabra lately. He said he felt like they were still friends, but she called him a SOB. Said he threw her under the bus.

Listening back to the old SPR show from Oct., its apparent how much they all felt Sabra was good for the company and bringing the money in.

After the BBQ and all of the CEO changes, I felt like Sabra was a traitor, but now I'm thinking she'd be good for the company. Who knows though?
 
Posted by portman on :
 
I hang. I read on occasion. Just watching the show like the rest of you at this point. Interesting points on this page. I shall revisit them tonight. Arguing is pointless at this time.

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Very intersting find there CAT...and why was MA answering the emails back then for a company that today he claims was not real?
AND? Remember when JA was the one answering the emails for CSHD in order to "help MA" out?
Has it bee established as to the relationship between MA and JA? how long was it that they knew each other?

Does anyone know how one is able to offer/register 50+ million shares for sale on the berlin exchange?
Do you have do be a citizen or something? Is JA still a citizen?

Stuff is VERY odd...
that scroll from Ickhub...that claims Rufas and all were the ones selling during the run up? and It was MA (lonstartrader) that was starting the rumors? Friggin this is nuts...
so many people talking out their behinds...that I am not sure anyone has a clue what the real situation/truth is....

AND? Where the hell is SABRA??!!!

Portman are you out there? any light that can be shed?


 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
edit by myself [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
Hey Jenna, your inbox is full.

All clear....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
A lot has been said regarding the SHC, after having enough time to reflect, I think people need to cut them a break. They can only report what they are told. It also seems as though there have been many changes so what has happened in the past is not completely a reflection of the present.

I'm sure they acted because of what they were told. I understand that many are upset that the money they have put in has almost disappeared. I'm not happy about that either but blaming the individuals from the SHC isn't helping.

If what they did isn't legal than the only thing that has stopped Rufus from acting is Rufus himself. If they aren't reporting anything from the comapny, maybe it's that JA,MA and whoever else aren't reporting anything to them.

Personally, I Pi$$ed at Rufus, JA and especially MA. When the leaders run around like chickens with their head cut off and attempt to divide the shareholder base, blame can be put no where else.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
10,
I have a feeling we will not be seeing Portman.IMO

Maybe a different name?

Come on Mark, make a liar out of me [Razz]

liar [Razz]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by portman:
I hang. I read on occasion. Just watching the show like the rest of you at this point. Interesting points on this page. I shall revisit them tonight. Arguing is pointless at this time.

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Very interesting find there CAT...and why was MA answering the emails back then for a company that today he claims was not real?
AND? Remember when JA was the one answering the emails for CSHD in order to "help MA" out?
Has it bee established as to the relationship between MA and JA? how long was it that they knew each other?

Does anyone know how one is able to offer/register 50+ million shares for sale on the berlin exchange?
Do you have do be a citizen or something? Is JA still a citizen?

Stuff is VERY odd...
that scroll from Ickhub...that claims Rufas and all were the ones selling during the run up? and It was MA (lonstartrader) that was starting the rumors? Friggin this is nuts...
so many people talking out their behinds...that I am not sure anyone has a clue what the real situation/truth is....

AND? Where the hell is SABRA??!!!

Portman are you out there? any light that can be shed?


Portman ....... I didn't realize that you were reading posts here. Don't you think that WE deserve some type of updates from the SHC? I was under the opinion that we would be getting weekly updates from the SHC. I also believe that the last we received from the SHC was before Christmas. Can we have some type of explanation from you, the person I believe is the head of that group that represents us. I also heard you had a personal problem. I hope all is well for you and your family now.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
-0- volume so far today....
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
The reason I didn't think Portman would respond was he had to know he would be bombarded with questions and finger pointing.

We have no idea how this is going to end or who did what.

He deserves the same respect as we would like to have from the boardmembers.

EVERYONE is innocent until proven guilty.

okay now, I lied!!! {stock Mamma}
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
The reason I didn't think Portman would respond was he had to know he would be bombarded with questions and finger pointing.

We have no idea how this is going to end or who did what.

He deserves the same respect as we would like to have from the boardmembers.

EVERYONE is innocent until proven guilty.

okay now, I lied!!! {stock Mamma}

Hi ..... I am showing respect to him. I have a lot of respect for him. However he is NOT a Board member of CSHD. He represents us as stockholders. He is the head of the SHC, which; I believe should keep us updated on what is going on. I realize that not much is happening with the company, but; a simple post stating anything is better than what we have received since around Christmas. [Smile]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Does anyone think that shareholders who sold recently will be eligible for the 6:1 distribution should it occur, providing they were holders of record on Oct. 16th 2006. My opinion is they should. Thats the least these mgmnt clowns could offer.
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
-0- volume so far today....

Shhh! no sellers is good.
 
Posted by trade04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
-0- volume so far today....

Shhh! no sellers is good.
lol.....an optomist
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Doc,
I too am very upset about the lack of information from the SHC.

And I made the statement weeks ago that "If the SHC isn't a joke, I'll say I was wrong"

I guess I am tired, very tired from trying to figure
out anything to do with CSHD.

Let's all agree that we don't all agree and "wait and see" LOL
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by trade04:
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
-0- volume so far today....

Shhh! no sellers is good.
lol.....an optomist
Like MLK....I have a dream! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Stockstar....LOL...that's funny...
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Hey...Just jumped up to .20. [Eek!]

That's 17% gain...on 400 shares traded.

STRANGE!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
The gray sheets are a whole different world....we should all set our sell orders at $3.00.....

(of- course this would only work if someone wanted to buy them at 3 - which I doubt)
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
Hey, I will be willing to put out 312 shares at 3.00 if someone was willing to buy them. Someone will just have to pony up the 936.00 plus commission. Then I think everyone will be happy. Or someone could buy just a couple of shares for 3 dollars, and someone could sell just a few. But we might have to call it in, but I think that the 50 bucks might be worth it in costs to do just that.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Sounds like a plan.... [Big Grin] Now who the heck is going to do it???
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I was just going back & reading things from a week ago on IHUB & I read this.....This is the first I've heard of this....

Posted by: cindyyoohoo
In reply to: None Date:1/24/2007 9:14:57 PM
Post #of 144687

This euroclear thing keeps getting blown out of proportion. that Euroclear account belongs to that European trader who was hired by CSHD to trade it. The trader is the one who has the account NOT CSHD!!! Don't they get that.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Posted by: DownWithPumpers
In reply to: cindyyoohoo who wrote msg# 143094 Date:1/24/2007 9:16:34 PM
Post #of 144687

Stocks that are traded overseas are in EuroClear. Nobody from CSHD has a EuroClear account.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? Doesn't sound like either of those 2 posters should state what they have stated
How are they to know if "anyone" has any type of account...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Jenna? Doesn't sound like either of those 2 posters should state what they have stated
How are they to know if "anyone" has any type of account...

Blind leading the blind.

Wally
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
Hey! the horse is gone!!!

IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Hey! the horse is gone!!!

IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Huh?
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by unclerudy:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Hey! the horse is gone!!!

IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Huh?
D-Bag says Huh?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Thanks 10 & Wally- didn't understand what they meant, someone was paid to open the account...
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
How much snow ya got up there Jenna?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Hey! the horse is gone!!!

IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Horse...what horse? What did I miss?

What happenned to Rufus's horse? Was it the one he rode in?
[Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Thanks 10 & Wally- didn't understand what they meant, someone was paid to open the account...

From what we have been told and according to our research, it takes 200M dollars to open a Euroclear account. So to say that the account was opened for some to trade CSHD makes no sense, IMO.

Jenna, My comment was directed at the 2 yahoo's on IFLUB. Just so you know it was not dirceted at you.

Wally
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
someone was paid to open the account...

what do you mean? How do you know that?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
Hey! the horse is gone!!!

IT'S ALIVE, IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Horse...what horse? What did I miss?

What happenned to Rufus's horse? Was it the one he rode in?
[Roll Eyes]

Nice stocktrader...now the rumors will start...LOL
(stocktrader posted a pic of a dead horse...with a comment that stated "keep beating it" or something like that...
But it would be nice if this would come alive...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
How much snow ya got up there Jenna?

About 3 - 6 inches on the ground....there was a snow day today....but it's very sunny out now...
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
Ohhh... I am slow. I understand now.
 
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
How much snow ya got up there Jenna?

About 3 - 6 inches on the ground....there was a snow day today....but it's very sunny out now...
Nice! Man, do I miss the snow. I used to like coloring it yellow.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
someone was paid to open the account...

what do you mean? How do you know that?
When I read that one post it said someone was hired to open the account.....

a little far fetched if you asked me.....

....and Wally, I knew you were talking about the Iflubbers & not me.... [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
How much snow ya got up there Jenna?

About 3 - 6 inches on the ground....there was a snow day today....but it's very sunny out now...
Nice! Man, do I miss the snow. I used to like coloring it yellow.
My dog just did that about 5 minutes ago.....he used yellow & another color too... [Eek!]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Speaking of dogs, 10, how are the pups?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LOUD!
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Like this one?

 -

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Nice stocktrader...now the rumors will start...LOL
(stocktrader posted a pic of a dead horse...with a comment that stated "keep beating it" or something like that...
But it would be nice if this would come alive...


 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
LOUD!

LOL..
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
This one?

 -

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Nice stocktrader...now the rumors will start...LOL
(stocktrader posted a pic of a dead horse...with a comment that stated "keep beating it" or something like that...
But it would be nice if this would come alive...


Thats hilarious.....LOL
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
This one?

 -

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Nice stocktrader...now the rumors will start...LOL
(stocktrader posted a pic of a dead horse...with a comment that stated "keep beating it" or something like that...
But it would be nice if this would come alive...


Thats hilarious.....LOL
Careful...someone we know might be up that horses but! [Big Grin]
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
lol no volume today...still have $1,000 i could get back if i sold now.
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
And my post gets erased.. unreal.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Did you guys read this already?

http://xml.10kwizard.com/filing_raw.php?repo=tenk&ipage=4646265
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Look the horse is still alive!!! [Razz]

 -
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Did you guys read this already?

http://xml.10kwizard.com/filing_raw.php?repo=tenk&ipage=4646265

Mike Alexander gifted his shares away.
 
Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
Strange stuff. I guess he wanted people to know he wasn't trying to illegally profit from this.

Now the question is who did he gift off Half a mill worth of shares to. Unless he is banking that is a very generous gift. It almost looks like a struggling to save my neck gift, but who knows.
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
42 million shares times .2$ equals 4.2 millions $$ i hope it was to a tax-free organisation [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
This is unreal!
didn't MA just post on HSM (Bodi) that he still had all but 500K of his shares?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Ohhhh boy, im anxious to hear how this is interpreted. Another chapter to the story.....
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
This is unreal!
didn't MA just post on HSM (Bodi) that he still had all but 500K of his shares?

http://www.hotstock market.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1096307&postcount=3819

take out spaces
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
thanks New2...
So MA is a Liar?!!
 
Posted by winner on :
 
this stock has no legs and I don't think it moves for months-if ever. I'm buying RYQG and it is going much higher-at least RYQG files and owns a business that has solid revs.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
thanks New2...
So MA is a Liar?!!

IMO this looks bad for Mike but im treading in waters i know NOTHING about here. As a "nobody" it looks to me like he is covering thy buns
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
That's what it appears Cat...

Winner? Thanks for the seal of "no go"...I'm glad that you have a stock to buy...LOL
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Man what crap! So Mike has finally decided to come clean. I can't believe he put his wife's share sell in on this. I wouldn't think that would be legal. What's the deal with filing forms way after the actual transaction...this can't be legal.

So now we know that his wife sold shares at 1.12 for $560k. He at least admitted she sold the 500,000. I wonder who the gifts went to as well. You would think that this might have to be filed somewhere, but maybe not.

I thought maybe he gifted them back to CSHD, but this statement seems like that isn't what happened: "non-affiliate entities and/or non-affliates".

I think we'll be hearing from Rufus again tonight...I sure hope so!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
That's what it appears Cat...

Winner? Thanks for the seal of "no go"...I'm glad that you have a stock to buy...LOL

Its not winners first post about that stock on this thread, and there is a similar post on another thread from him/her. Vanilla post with a candy sprinkle on top.....
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
Yeah, what a loser!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by milliam:
Man what crap! So Mike has finally decided to come clean. I can't believe he put his wife's share sell in on this. I wouldn't think that would be legal. What's the deal with filing forms way after the actual transaction...this can't be legal.

So now we know that his wife sold shares at 1.12 for $560k. He at least admitted she sold the 500,000. I wonder who the gifts went to as well. You would think that this might have to be filed somewhere, but maybe not.

I thought maybe he gifted them back to CSHD, but this statement seems like that isn't what happened: "non-affiliate entities and/or non-affliates".

I think we'll be hearing from Rufus again tonight...I sure hope so!

Gotta agree with you there, gonna probably be cowboy central on SPR tonight. Not sure HSM will let him post his appearance there though....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Milliam? maybe someone that could sell them in the Berlin exchange?
It's all a crock...no matter how we try to look at it...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Milliam? maybe someone that could sell them in the Berlin exchange?
It's all a crock...no matter how we try to look at it...

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, looking at the dates you bring up a very good question.

I repeat.......hmmmmmmmmm

Didnt Rufus say in the last interview that Mike "loaned" someone some of his shares so it could be shorted someplace?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Milliam? maybe someone that could sell them in the Berlin exchange?
It's all a crock...no matter how we try to look at it...

Maybe he gifted them to the Berlin Exchange. Exactly what a crock of "you know what". Especially since he posted last week that he had all his shares in certificate form no less. If you look at the form 4 all entries were "D" which usually signifies selling the only "A" was the conversion of preferred to common. So now who do I believe? Absolutely NO ONE.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
yes Cat...He did...Rufus claimed MA "loaned" his shares to someone...Or maybe that just what MA TOLD Rufus?
anyone know what the tax advantages would be to sell on the Berlin exchange?
 
Posted by humble on :
 
Summary of MA's Filing:

04/27/2006 10,720,000 (Gift to ?)

08/18/2006 500,000 * $1.12 = $560,000

09/23/2006 -- 2,000,000 * $2.60 = $5,200,000

01/17/2007 -- 50,000,000 gained

01/17/2007 -- 7,500,000 (Gift to ?)

01/25/2007 -- 42,500,000 (Gift to ?)

- Shares claimed to have owned across time = 75,154,780

- Shares claimed to have sold across time = 500,000 ($560,000)

- Shares claimed to have given away across time = 62,720,000 ($5,200,000 + potentially $2-4, more at grey market price of $.05-$.10)

Observations:

1) MA is proving to be a very selfless man. $7+ million to charity/non-affiliates whereas he only banked $500,000 for all of this trouble and years of toiling with Furia/Fronthaul, plus potential legal problems. Of course, I am assuming that surely MA is not dumb enough to try to launder money through a charity with the SEC watching everything so closely.

2) If the Fronthaul/Waatle merger was completed, those 500,000 preferred shares MA claims he converted were cancelled by contract. If MA was actually entitled to convert those prefereed shares to 50,000,000 common, as he claimed and filed he was, then the merger was never completed. If the merger was never completed then what happened to the debt equity he owed the toxic financiers of Fronthaul? He would still owe that, right? If so, why would he give away nearly everything instead of just buying his way out of all of his financial woes from Fronthaul?

3) If MA was Arlitt's top supporter and his guarantor into the driver's seat of CSHD, those days are over. What is stopping an Arlitt overthrow just like was done to Rufus?

Something is amiss with MA and the shares claimed in this filing, as well as yet another shift in his apparent loyalties. I guess it would be really nice to know exactly who benefitted from that charitable money.

4) Where is John Arlitt? Still in Germany? Something stinks.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
If I remember correctly, the whole Berlin Exchange trading is part of the SEC investigation. All I remember is that Rufus is the one that brought it to light. I had no idea that shares were being traded there until he mentioned it way back on SPR. He also stated he couldn't figure out how they were doing it since the company never authorized. HMM, I wonder how that happened. Either he is a complete liar and the worst con man ever or there is another explaination. I guess time will tell.

Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
So, i guess my concern would be....how did Rufus know? This either ties back to Rufus or it doesnt. Either he helped with this or all of this was kept from him....and he found out anyway.

Whhhhhhhats next? Waiting impatiently....... [Smile]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Is there any way that these 50000000 shares are the ones that were suppose to be given for the merger and then he turned around and "gave them back to the company" as part of "undoing" the merger??
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
The craziest thing is that Mike when posting as Bodi last week also stated that he was sure the merger would be voided. In that case he has really meesed up. According to FHAL/Furia filings his preferred shares were to be vested over years with the first installment happening in December of last year. Everytime he opens his mouth he inserts foot. Nothing he has stated makes any sense. Of course that fits perfectly with everything else going on. NOTHING MAKES SENSE. This is worse than the keystone cops.

Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Is there any way that these 50000000 shares are the ones that were suppose to be given for the merger and then he turned around and "gave them back to the company" as part of "undoing" the merger??

NO!!! It would have been stated in the Form 4. It also looks as if the converted preferred shares are the only shares he still has.

Wally
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Wally? don't yell at me...LOL
[Frown] [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Wally? don't yell at me...LOL
[Frown] [Big Grin]

Sorry, didn't mean to. At least not at you. Something just hit me. Wasn't a portion of the Ecowood deal with a NonProfit in South America? Fundacion Amazon or something like that?

Wally
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I remember something about a non profit..dang it...it left me...
Hey Cat...You were searching in that stuff...do you remember?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Im guessing you are referring to the non-profit org AFTER the Ecowood stuff adn not CEOTA. Anyway, id have to check my PC at home but yes there is something similar to Fundacion Amazon floating around in this memory of mine
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Fundamazon Fundacao De Preservacao Da Floresta Amazonica
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
There you go. No I know CEOTA was the SCAM. But I believe FUndAmazon was a NON-Profit. Can we connect the dots?

Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
There you go. No I know CEOTA was the SCAM. But I believe FUndAmazon was a NON-Profit. Can we connect the dots?

Wally

Well, the Fundamazon was announced October 3rd. One of the filings come just before that on Sept 23rd for 2 mil shares.

Need more dots IMO
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
There you go. No I know CEOTA was the SCAM. But I believe FUndAmazon was a NON-Profit. Can we connect the dots?

Wally

Well, the Fundamazon was announced October 3rd. One of the filings come just before that on Sept 23rd for 2 mil shares.

Need more dots IMO

Not really! Apply Logic and what do you get?

Wally
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
What’s up w the filing not having to specify who MA’s shares were received by. Is that typical procedure. I know that if selling of stock is a planned sale it needs to be reported before hand but I would like to know Ms. Black’s opinion as to how this form can be filed after the fact and how the receiving party of such a large portion of the co. doesn’t need to register these shares. Also, looks to me like Mike had to mention the 500,000 share sale to try to save his a**.

HOW many of us would have sold more of our shares than we did if we notice these two transactions?
08/18/2006 500,000 (2) D $ 1.12
09/23/2006 2,000,000 (1) D $ 2.6

That’s probably 30k in cash I would have opted for at that point just based on insider selling. Jenna what do you think now . . . me. . Mike is going down first. The rest wait and see but anyone in the mike tent makes me nervous now!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
DADDO
HSM Regular


Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 256 dogman.....

You are lucky that the Federal Grand Jury Secrecy rules may not apply to those who receive subpoenas -- and only apply to government employees such as the prosecutor, agents and jurors.

However, you may have pi**ed in your post toasties by sending the subpoena to person/s who were not the intended recipients of said property.

I know I wasn't intended to receive the subpoena document you sent to the whole world this morning..

Good luck to ya..................

You boyz really do need to consult with legal counsel --- and soon by the way your goin imo.

On the bottom of the FBI fax cover sheet it says:


WARNING

"Information attached to the cover sheet is U.S. Government Property. If you are not the intended recipient of this information, disclosure, reproduction, distribution, or use of this information is prohibited (18 U.S.C #641). Please notify the originator or the local FBI office immediately to arrange for proper disposition."

Wonder how many people who received the subpoena on the Internet will realize they were not the intended recipient and flood the FBI with calls???
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
wally, James Gee was the intended recipient of the subpoena, no?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Who is dogmando talking to in that post?

TheCon......as far as what do I think? I don't even understand what the heck is going on....so I'm feeling like I'm in a fog.....but it is Wed & it seems Rufus goes on Subpenny on WED.


Quite frankly, I'm tired of this soap opera & I could be taking what little money I have left & could be trying to make my money back.....I'm seriously thinking about it.....
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Now this is another good point why we should get the 6:1 distribution of shares whether we hold still or not, for all the inconvenience we put up with. I wonder if Mike A expects to get some?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Originally Posted by CaliRaven
And for further clarification.........the hedge fund managers in question had a few things to say about RPH and MA. I came away with the following. Bear in mind that while I might agree with part or all of it, it is the summarized statements of others, not necessarily my own opinion or position.


RPH while guilty of many instances of "foot in mouth" and not knowing when to remain quiet, was notactively seeking to perpetrate fraud on anyone. However, his lack of people and managment skills had doomed this merger to failure. This was the primary attraction to this deal for the hedge funds. MA seems to have been more suspect in this than RPH. MA's intention was to convert his shares to cash any way possible and was never a true long (As is now being confirmed by the filings). This in combination with the toxic financing made CSHD a prime target for the hedge funds. They also confirmed the practice of NSS and that CSHD was certainly exploited in such a manner. Additionally, Lee Webb and a few others were mentioned as being indirectly compensated for participating in a ping pong game of bash, then pump and ultimately dump for the specific purpose of manipulating this stock.

Again.....I post this as a summation of what one group of hedge fund manager's related to me in a lunch meeting back in December of 2006.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? i think that Daddo is talking to Dogmondo...who is actually James Gee...

And yes New2..it was intended for James Gee...I have no idea if it was legal or not for that to be posted
what that warning means is to simply call if they sent it to the wrong person...BUT? now the fax numbers and phone numbers of this FBI agent are all over the place...that sure can't be a good thing...

MA seems to be covering his a little late...
Something sure does smell and I don't think it's the horses!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
Originally Posted by CaliRaven
And for further clarification.........the hedge fund managers in question had a few things to say about RPH and MA. I came away with the following. Bear in mind that while I might agree with part or all of it, it is the summarized statements of others, not necessarily my own opinion or position.


RPH while guilty of many instances of "foot in mouth" and not knowing when to remain quiet, was notactively seeking to perpetrate fraud on anyone. However, his lack of people and managment skills had doomed this merger to failure. This was the primary attraction to this deal for the hedge funds. MA seems to have been more suspect in this than RPH. MA's intention was to convert his shares to cash any way possible and was never a true long (As is now being confirmed by the filings). This in combination with the toxic financing made CSHD a prime target for the hedge funds. They also confirmed the practice of NSS and that CSHD was certainly exploited in such a manner. Additionally, Lee Webb and a few others were mentioned as being indirectly compensated for participating in a ping pong game of bash, then pump and ultimately dump for the specific purpose of manipulating this stock.

Again.....I post this as a summation of what one group of hedge fund manager's related to me in a lunch meeting back in December of 2006.

This sums up alot IMO!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Obviously, we've been had.....Boy, is that the understatement of the year.....I think this may be the end of the road for me folks......unless someone gets to that courthouse within a few days.....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
wally, James Gee was the intended recipient of the subpoena, no?

Yes he was. The problem is he posted it on the internet for all to see today.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
If Harris had this all together the way he made it sound all this should not have happened. IMO.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
I wonder who the charity was that Mike A gifted his shares to....AJW maybe? [Eek!]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
voodoonola
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Join Date: Aug 2006
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Posts: 745 Quote:
Originally Posted by wallymac
I'll take a stab. Could be totally off base but let's. Mike made a deal for control of Ecowood. If I remember correctly, there was a Nonprofit organization involved in South America called FundAmazon. Could it be? Nah, he wouldn't do that now would he. Disposition of shares on 9/23/06. Deal announced 10/3/2006. or something close to that.

Wally


http://www.oasisfoundation.org/oasis/ecowood.asp

http://ecpa.cpa.state.tx.us/coa/servlet/cpa.app.coa.CoaGetTp?Pg=tpid&Search_Nm=o asis%20fou ndation%20&Button=search&Search_ID=30002213392
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Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Wally im all out of logic when it comes to this stock. [Smile]

Thecon, i was totally 100% in the Mike camp back in June and again when he took over again for that short time. The recent scrolls from Paltalk and some blabbering on IHUB...and of course the filing today, have probably removed A LOT of people from his camp.

I have a question. These shares that Mike receives "over time" are related to market performance right? Is it possible that this is why Mike has been trying VERY hard to spread the word around for people to hold and everything will be ok once Rufus is gone? Is it also possible that now that its on the gray sheets it can seemingly be manipulated very easily maintaining a PPS above the FHAL PPS showing that there is still positive market performance? If it drops to nothing Mike stops receiving shares right? Anyone?
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Originally Posted by CaliRaven
This was the first post....


Originally Posted by CaliRaven
If this is indeed the real Lee Webb (I will assume so, since I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would want to pose as such a parasite), then you know full well that this stock was victimized by NSS. Your efforts specifically were subsidized by at least one hedge fund management team (managers of a $50,000,000.00 fund out of Dallas). While many on this board might be blissly ignorant of much of the truth, I for one will not stand by and let a commercial leech like yourself create further chaos and doubt with your specious logic and nihilistic values. After sitting through a lunch with the management team of this hedge fund, I must say that my eyes were opened and suspicions confirmed. The extent to which this happens is staggering. Not a well organized conspiracy, but a well executed, yet chaotic tactic with most effective results. You and a few others like you were named as being part of the "arsenal" and while it wasn't disclosed as to how much you actually profited from this market shell game, I am sure it was substantial. So cut the BS and stop acting as if NSS doesn't exist. It does, you know it and you make a very nice living from it.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Wally in the form 4 it says that the shares were gifted to non-affiliate entities. Wouldnt Ecowood be an affiliated entity?

Now...the Oasis foundation, thats another story.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
I wonder who the charity was that Mike A gifted his shares to....AJW maybe? [Eek!]

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/01/18/0001144204-06-001786/Section32.asp
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Wally im all out of logic when it comes to this stock. [Smile]

Thecon, i was totally 100% in the Mike camp back in June and again when he took over again for that short time. The recent scrolls from Paltalk and some blabbering on IHUB...and of course the filing today, have probably removed A LOT of people from his camp.

I have a question. These shares that Mike receives "over time" are related to market performance right? Is it possible that this is why Mike has been trying VERY hard to spread the word around for people to hold and everything will be ok once Rufus is gone? Is it also possible that now that its on the gray sheets it can seemingly be manipulated very easily maintaining a PPS above the FHAL PPS showing that there is still positive market performance? If it drops to nothing Mike stops receiving shares right? Anyone?

According to today's filing, he exercised them all and disposed of them. Forget about the performance clause, forget about how they are to be vested. They have all been exercised.


Code V Amount (A) or (D) Price
Common Stock 25,154,780 D
Common Stock 04/27/2006 D 10,720,000 (1) D $ 0.12 14,434,780 D
Common Stock 08/18/2006 D 500,000 (2) D $ 1.12 13,934,780 (3) D
Common Stock 09/23/2006 D 2,000,000 (1) D $ 2.6 11,934,780 D
Common Stock 01/17/2007 D 50,000,000 (4) A $ 0.01 61,934,780 D
Common Stock 01/17/2007 D 7,500,000 (1) D $ 0.01 54,434,780 D
Common Stock 01/25/2007 D 42,500,000 (1) D $ 0.01 11,934,780 D


Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Here are a few posts from HSM by Dogman (James Gee) - I thought these were intesesting....It's going to come down to who is telling the truth....Doesn't this put you guys in a bad mood sometimes? It sure as sh*t puts me in one!!!

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dogman
HSM Regular


Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 253 Hello everyone. I know I haven't posted in a while but I wanted to let everyone know I spoke to John this morning. He said everything was going great and he should be home with some awesome news. He isn't worried at all about the antics of the prior management. Keep the faith and don't believe false profits.

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dogman
HSM Regular


Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 253 Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainSolo
What about the default? Can't do **** while that is pending. Who's answering that to that mess?


John will answer the default when he gets back because he will have the necessary funding to do so. To date that has been the only obstacle.

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Today, 10:45 AM #1880
dogman
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 253 Quote:
Originally Posted by frank021474
Will he clear the Court issue that is still sitting untouched?? VS Conversion Solutions? Its been entered for months- so I assume its on someones to-do list somewhere?


The only reason that has not been handled is because the SEC will only talk to an attorney. The company needs the funding to do so. That is one of the reasons John went to Germany since the previous management left the company broke.

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Today, 10:54 AM #1902
dogman
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 253 Quote:
Originally Posted by rwalden
did that come as a big surpise to john when the sec told him he needs an anttorney? was john all like "wtf is an attorney?"


He has known we need an attorney but that takes money of which the company was left with little to none.

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Today, 10:59 AM #1919
dogman
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 253 Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainSolo
I bet ya $20 This ends up RPH's baby again! If you win I'll paypal it!


I will bet you 1000 that Rufus ends up in jail, John brings this company back and we trade higher than we have every traded. 20 shows your conviction

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Today, 11:21 AM #1976
dogman
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Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 253 Quote:
Originally Posted by some_extra_dough
Dogmando, what do you think the chances are that we'll ever see a proxy from RPH??


Other than the possibility of asking us for money for an attorney again the chances are 0

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It looks like my theory may have been correct, on getting new assets to use in place of the bonds, then going to court to answer the default.....

But....what the heck is going on though? The scary part is "if it's doesn't make sense it's probably not true..." - Unfortunely, both sides present things that make sense....which leaves us further confused.....SOMEONE GET TO COURT....WE DON'T CARE WHO-JUST GET THERE!!!! HURRY ALANA'S WAITING!!!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Well, im gonna step away for a bit. It might be a long night...........
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
I wonder who the charity was that Mike A gifted his shares to....AJW maybe? [Eek!]

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/01/18/0001144204-06-001786/Section32.asp
wrong date I guess....freaky though
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Sorry- double post!!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Believe it when I see it Jenna! [Smile]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Agreed Jenna, SOMEONE get in to the court and open the default!

"Come on, just go in and state your case! BAWK! BAWK!" - Rufus Paul Harris
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
That's right Mr. C- Honestly - I don't care who it is!!! This is rediculous- just go, if neither of the CEO's go by the end of next week- we should make our own proxy & take over the comapany ourselves!!!!!!! LOL
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Ok- does this mean Mike was not the majority shareholder? ...sorry if that is a dumb question....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
It's weird how they are so sure that John is the CEO.....Is it possible people assume that Mike is majority shareholder & maybe he wasn't & the SHC knew that- (when all along it may have been someone else) perhaps they knew that?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I remember early on in the merger process Rufus stating that they were trying to figure out who really had and should be issued shares. Maybe this really comes down to Rufus looking at what AJW and associates had done and not giving them their shares. It sure would explain a lot. In DDing Toxic financing of which AJW is a big player, the M.O. is too provide stair stepped financing. During the stair stepping they short the stock causing downward pressure as the PPS falls they get more and more shares. A few other companies have gone to court regarding this practice. Was the "Plan" to not give them the shares and force thier hand?

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wow- this is over my head.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I know this may have nothing to do with anything but,

Does anyone know if Romeo has any shares? I wonder if he's a bigger player in all of this then we think......
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
It's weird how they are so sure that John is the CEO.....Is it possible people assume that Mike is majority shareholder & maybe he wasn't & the SHC knew that?

When I look at the filings, logically, Mike is not and has not been the majority shareholder. None of the dates shown in the Form 4 give him the amount of shares he needs to be majority shareholder. The problem is the only person other than Mike who could have known this was the TA, since the filing only happened today. It does give a bet of credence to Rufus's claims that the TA was not allowing him access to the records. There is no way the TA didn't know about the transactions. IMO, he should have reported this to the SEC last year but then again I'm not a securities attorney and don't really know what his responsibility was regarding these shares.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Why would the TA treat Rufus like that? Any idea?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I remember early on in the merger process Rufus stating that they were trying to figure out who really had and should be issued shares. Maybe this really comes down to Rufus looking at what AJW and associates had done and not giving them their shares. It sure would explain a lot. In DDing Toxic financing of which AJW is a big player, the M.O. is too provide stair stepped financing. During the stair stepping they short the stock causing downward pressure as the PPS falls they get more and more shares. A few other companies have gone to court regarding this practice. Was the "Plan" to not give them the shares and force thier hand?

GLTA
Wally

at some point before the "merger", FHAL (the company)bought back shares shares on the open market... this act (apparently) intentionally triggered a default on the finance deal.. i never did see what the result of a default would be, since (to my knowledge) the actual contract was not posted in the filings...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
I know this may have nothing to do with anything but,

Does anyone know if Romeo has any shares? I wonder if he's a bigger player in all of this then we think......

According to the filings and to Rufus, Romeo never recieved any shares. In fact I think it was during his last SPR visit that he made mention of the fact that Romeo was holding the bag because he has never been paid in either money or shares.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I remember early on in the merger process Rufus stating that they were trying to figure out who really had and should be issued shares. Maybe this really comes down to Rufus looking at what AJW and associates had done and not giving them their shares. It sure would explain a lot. In DDing Toxic financing of which AJW is a big player, the M.O. is too provide stair stepped financing. During the stair stepping they short the stock causing downward pressure as the PPS falls they get more and more shares. A few other companies have gone to court regarding this practice. Was the "Plan" to not give them the shares and force thier hand?

GLTA
Wally

at some point before the "merger", FHAL (the company)bought back shares shares on the open market... this act (apparently) intentionally triggered a default on the finance deal.. i never did see what the result of a default would be, since (to my knowledge) the actual contract was not posted in the filings...
No it was. When triggered it meant that the total amount was due in full with interest. You have to go back to either an earlier 10K or maybe even an SB2/4 that had the agreement in it.

Wally
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
No it was. When triggered it meant that the total amount was due in full with interest. You have to go back to either an earlier 10K or maybe even an SB2/4 that had the agreement in it.

do you know if it stopped the purchase of more shares ? thereby stopping the progress of the"toxic financing"?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
That I don't know. Darn now you're going to make me go and do somemore DD. As the Governor fo the Great State of California would say "I'll be back"

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Hey Wally, i followed your Oasis Foundation links a bit and found that it appears to be a family of Alexander dentists. Was gonna try to link any of the dentists to Mike but my head is killing me

Compare the addresses here to the Oasis Foundation address. Two hits

http://www.addvantagecare.com/Provider%20Directories/Texas%20Directory.pdf

The Alexander dentist family

http://alexanderdiscipline.com/thealexanders.htm

Maybe no relevance....dunno
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Is SNP the guy that signs his posts "Dr J" over on HSM?

From the Alexander link above.....

"Dr. J. Moody Alexander joined his father, Dr. Wick, in his Arlington practice in the summer of 1995. After graduating from Arlington High School, he headed to Texas Tech University and earned his Pre-Dental degree. Dr. Moody then returned to Texas and received his dental degree (DDS) and orthodontic degree (MS) from Baylor College of Dentistry in Dallas. He is currently a Clinical Professor in the Orthodontic Department of Baylor College of Dentistry in Dallas."

then go here.....and search for Baylor

http://www.hotst ockmarket.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-46993-p-13.html
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
http://sec.edgar-online.com/2006/01/18/0001144204-06-001786/Section32.asp
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
FWIW i was just looking over the Dallas Dinner photos yesterday and i went in today to take a peek again and voila...they seem to be gone now
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Is SNP the guy that signs his posts "Dr J" over on HSM?

From the Alexander link above.....

"Dr. J. Moody Alexander joined his father, Dr. Wick, in his Arlington practice in the summer of 1995. After graduating from Arlington High School, he headed to Texas Tech University and earned his Pre-Dental degree. Dr. Moody then returned to Texas and received his dental degree (DDS) and orthodontic degree (MS) from Baylor College of Dentistry in Dallas. He is currently a Clinical Professor in the Orthodontic Department of Baylor College of Dentistry in Dallas."

then go here.....and search for Baylor

http://www.hotst ockmarket.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-46993-p-13.html

From Cat's link

SNPJan 23rd, 2007, 11:17 AM
:Thumbsup: Your not here now are you.
No, I taught a Greek class there probably before you were born.:LOL:
Baylor is a very dear spot in my heart. I did my pre-dental work at Univ. of Houston, but Baylor will always be special.
Dr. J
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Just making sure im keeping up. .

So MA’s attempt to funnel shares to AJW is the endgame for the NSSing Hedge fund to cover. Am I correct wally? Thereby leaving the hedge funds books relatively clean and killing our hope for a recovery. . . except

THE WAY I SEE IT THIS MAY BE THE BEST NEWS WE HAVE HAD IN A LONG TIME.

1) it confirms that there are still plenty of shares to be covered as many have suspected if RPH analysis from way back was even remotely close to correct which was pointed at Ameritrade and others. Also possible exposure of the hedge fund/ broker link we know must exist at some level for the NSS to even be possible
2) if any of these filings are accepted by the SEC at this point, court case or otherwise, it is clear evidence for our congressmen that they are seriously in bed w, the hedge funds and probably have been for years

3) How could mike be such a moron and try to complete the transfer of shares back, indirectly or otherwise for the hedge fund(s) to cover at this point (unless he believes SEC will still do nothing about it!!!!)

4) Imo – finding out the trail of where the shares go now if that is even possible will prove everything, those shares still aren’t covered and is the RPH side, or any decent management can right the ship in court, and get us trading again, SHORT squeeze, again we have major value here. I really felt like this is RPH only play or value to this co. from the beginning and that he never expected there to be a need to draw on any of the bonds due to the fact that co. shares could be sold to fund the co. thus the similar situation we were in to an IPO.

5) PS- sorry about my rambling/thinking out loud here 
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
This is an intersting post if this is indeed Dr J....which i think it is. He looks much younger in his picture IMO

Feb 1st, 2007, 09:49 AM #12442
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Originally Posted by CaptainSolo
What a great outlook you have.


Thanks Capt. I am working on my 75th year. I have held long because I want CSHD to make possible things I can do that could not be done in the first 75....at least in the next 25 I have to stay excited. This could be the last day I have, and I sure don't want to miss something. When you get my age, it is exciting just to wake up every morning. I am thankful I can still carry a ball and glove in the car in case someone wants to play catch. I am thankful I have a Goldwing in the garage with over 200,000 miles logged in my lifetime.
I am thankful for my family. I am thankful for my church family. I am thankful for my health. I was as mean as the devil before I became a Christian while in the Navy working on teeth. My entire life was changed. That is why I can say to you and to everyone on this thread.......I love you. He put love within me that changed my life. This is a blessed day, and I am thankful.
Dr. J
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
TheCon- I like when you think out loud.....your post helped me understand a little more what is going on.....
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
cat

just gave you a 5star. how are you only a three at this point???
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Cat- you are working hard baby!!

By the way so are you Wally.....& Con,.....and... [Wink]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Thecon, i P'd off some bashers very early in the game. Ive learned to maintain control since then [Smile]

Anyway, thanks!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Gotta go for now....see ya later boys!!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Cat? the Dr. J and the age thing don't match...But according to this link and the other for HSM...you have found allot..
http://alexanderdiscipline.com/thealexanders.htm

http://www.hotst ockmarket.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-46993-p-13.html
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
OH....you too 10, see ya later... [Smile]
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Might not know what im even talking about jenna. just trying to take it all in and draw some conclusions from the info on the previous page. all i can say is if these 50M share or so disappear into thin are and the make there way to the hedge fund some how allowing this to all go away i may save up enough to by into one. it would really prove why they all make money.

Has anyone heard of a major hedge fund horror story since LTCM in conn. They hedged wrong and almost collapsed our nations economy. Got into dept 3trillion from origenal investments of only 300M or one billion if my memory serves me. the public television show Nova did a story on it. took this countries then largest banks in 1999 to bail them out and they were quietly shut down. I new about it cause they were out of Greenwich CT. I remember hearing about a few more small hedge fund going bad after and then nothing except rich getting richer and making money hand over fist using them. now i finally think I know why.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Check this one out guys...

Today, 04:03 PM
Originally Posted by CaliRaven on HSM

If this is indeed the real Lee Webb (I will assume so, since I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would want to pose as such a parasite), then you know full well that this stock was victimized by NSS. Your efforts specifically were subsidized by at least one hedge fund management team (managers of a $50,000,000.00 fund out of Dallas). While many on this board might be blissly ignorant of much of the truth, I for one will not stand by and let a commercial leech like yourself create further chaos and doubt with your specious logic and nihilistic values. After sitting through a lunch with the management team of this hedge fund, I must say that my eyes were opened and suspicions confirmed. The extent to which this happens is staggering. Not a well organized conspiracy, but a well executed, yet chaotic tactic with most effective results. You and a few others like you were named as being part of the "arsenal" and while it wasn't disclosed as to how much you actually profited from this market shell game, I am sure it was substantial. So cut the BS and stop acting as if NSS doesn't exist. It does, you know it and you make a very nice living from it.

And for further clarification.........the hedge fund managers in question had a few things to say about RPH and MA. I came away with the following. Bear in mind that while I might agree with part or all of it, it is the summarized statements of others, not necessarily my own opinion or position.

RPH while guilty of many instances of "foot in mouth" and not knowing when to remain quiet, was notactively seeking to perpetrate fraud on anyone. However, his lack of people and managment skills had doomed this merger to failure. This was the primary attraction to this deal for the hedge funds. MA seems to have been more suspect in this than RPH. MA's intention was to convert his shares to cash any way possible and was never a true long (As is now being confirmed by the filings). This in combination with the toxic financing made CSHD a prime target for the hedge funds. They also confirmed the practice of NSS and that CSHD was certainly exploited in such a manner. Additionally, Lee Webb and a few others were mentioned as being indirectly compensated for participating in a ping pong game of bash, then pump and ultimately dump for the specific purpose of manipulating this stock.

Again.....I post this as a summation of what one group of hedge fund manager's related to me in a lunch meeting back in December of 2006.
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
St Matt, that was already posted on the last page.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
Just making sure im keeping up. .

So MA’s attempt to funnel shares to AJW is the endgame for the NSSing Hedge fund to cover. Am I correct wally? Thereby leaving the hedge funds books relatively clean and killing our hope for a recovery. . . except

THE WAY I SEE IT THIS MAY BE THE BEST NEWS WE HAVE HAD IN A LONG TIME.

1) it confirms that there are still plenty of shares to be covered as many have suspected if RPH analysis from way back was even remotely close to correct which was pointed at Ameritrade and others. Also possible exposure of the hedge fund/ broker link we know must exist at some level for the NSS to even be possible
2) if any of these filings are accepted by the SEC at this point, court case or otherwise, it is clear evidence for our congressmen that they are seriously in bed w, the hedge funds and probably have been for years

3) How could mike be such a moron and try to complete the transfer of shares back, indirectly or otherwise for the hedge fund(s) to cover at this point (unless he believes SEC will still do nothing about it!!!!)

4) Imo – finding out the trail of where the shares go now if that is even possible will prove everything, those shares still aren’t covered and is the RPH side, or any decent management can right the ship in court, and get us trading again, SHORT squeeze, again we have major value here. I really felt like this is RPH only play or value to this co. from the beginning and that he never expected there to be a need to draw on any of the bonds due to the fact that co. shares could be sold to fund the co. thus the similar situation we were in to an IPO.

5) PS- sorry about my rambling/thinking out loud here 

I'm not sure but if I were to speculate, it is possible that the shares were funneled through Oasis, a NONPROFIT, to the Hedge funds. Or maybe even a couple other steps were used prior to the hedge fund getting them. One thing does appear to be obvious, Mike getting rid of those shares seems to be an effort to distance himself from CSHD or a desperate attempt to shield his involvement. This is just speculation since we can't find the trail. It's odd though that whoever recieved the shares didn't file since they would have more than a 10% stake in CSHD.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
SNP
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Originally Posted by leedsatlanta
Are you related to MA?

Dr. J. Moody Alexander joined his father, Dr. Wick, in his Arlington practice in the summer of 1995. After graduating from Arlington High School, he headed to Texas Tech University and earned his Pre-Dental degree. Dr. Moody then returned to Texas and received his dental degree (DDS) and orthodontic degree (MS) from Baylor College of Dentistry in Dallas. He is currently a Clinical Professor in the Orthodontic Department of Baylor College of Dentistry in Dallas.


If you are, did Mike donate the majority of his shares to Ecowood?


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Take a look at our Projects page and see how we are working for a better planet now.

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Well, you are close in some areas. I did teach at Baylor at one time, but No, I am not related to MA.
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Posted by 10of13 on :
 
So he is not saying that this isn't true..just that he is not related to MA?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Wow, the coincidences continue to build. [Roll Eyes]

Oh wait, youre right 10...he doesnt deny its him
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Some very interesting stuff today... listening to SPR this evening to see if Rufus shows after all this junk.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Heh Simon is gettin a kick out of poking fun at Arlitt and the rest of "us". Cant blame the guy [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by glassman:
No it was. When triggered it meant that the total amount was due in full with interest. You have to go back to either an earlier 10K or maybe even an SB2/4 that had the agreement in it.

do you know if it stopped the purchase of more shares ? thereby stopping the progress of the"toxic financing"?

here's the SB regarding the agreement with AJ.

http://www.pinksheets.com/quote/filings_by_name.jsp?url=%2Fredirect.asp%3Ffilena me%3D0001144204%252D05%252D040479%252Etxt%26filepath%3D%255C2005%255C12%255C20%2 55C&symbol=furia

Just browsed it but it should have everything to do with the subject we are discussing.


Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Heh Simon is gettin a kick out of poking fun at Arlitt and the rest of "us". Cant blame the guy [Smile]

Well it was pretty sad when James Gee stated that Tut's, Oh I mean Arlitt's Cell Phone doesn't work in Germany and that Sat Phones were to expensive.

My cousin is a Cell Phone refurbisher and distributor. He travels to the far east quite often. While it is true the pnoe doesn't work if set for the US standards, all it takes is a sim card change and an interenational phone card to have cell phone service. I have no problem talking to my cousin whether he's in Hong Kong, Tiawan, singapore, Thailand or Vietnam.


Wally
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:

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Today, 10:59 AM #1919
dogman
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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Originally Posted by CaptainSolo
I bet ya $20 This ends up RPH's baby again! If you win I'll paypal it!


I will bet you 1000 that Rufus ends up in jail, John brings this company back and we trade higher than we have every traded. 20 shows your conviction

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Jenna I bet a 1000 that dogman sees jail time for distributing that doc today. Someone in my office mentioned 5 years is a general punishment for distributing Federal court documents without permission. [Wink] Of course this is JMHO.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Very sad Tax- isn't it? I would be WAAAYYY to scared to post a federal doc......
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Very sad Tax- isn't it? I would be WAAAYYY to scared to post a federal doc......

IMHO i feel there is the possiblity he was coached into that mistake
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:

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Today, 10:59 AM #1919
dogman
HSM Regular


Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 253 Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainSolo
I bet ya $20 This ends up RPH's baby again! If you win I'll paypal it!


I will bet you 1000 that Rufus ends up in jail, John brings this company back and we trade higher than we have every traded. 20 shows your conviction

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Jenna I bet a 1000 that dogman sees jail time for distributing that doc today. Someone in my office mentioned 5 years is a general punishment for distributing Federal court documents without permission. [Wink] Of course this is JMHO.
The biggest question I have about that is WHY. Why would he do it. It really is misleading in nature especailly in the way he did it. Claiming that it was proof that Rufus is guilty and going to jail.

Unless I am completely off base, a Grand Jury is mostly a fact finding mission to see if there is enough evidence to go forward with a prosecution. If they had the goods on Rufus they would not have to convene a Grand Jury. They would simple arrest, charge and prosecute him.

"What does a grand jury do? Bringing charges
Investigating


Historically, the grand jury--which was known as "the voice of the community" or "the people's panel"--was a way of injecting the common sense of the individuals who make up the community into government affairs. Specifically, grand juries were used to bring the everyday person's perspective into two aspects of government: investigating crime and/or community conditions and bringing charges against people who may have committed crimes. They still do both these things.

Bringing charges

In the federal system and in all but two of the states, grand juries are used to bring charges against persons who are believed to have committed crimes. In the federal system and in some states, they HAVE to be used to bring charges for felonies, which are the more serious crimes that normally carry a prison term for those who are convicted. In other states, they CAN be used to bring charges for felonies (or for other crimes), but don't have to be used. If a prosecutor doesn't HAVE to use a grand jury and doesn't WANT to, he or she can bring charges on their own, using what is called an "information" as the charging document. When a grand jury brings criminal charges, the charges are contained in a charging document that is called an "indictment."

If a prosecutor wants a grand jury to charge someone, the prosecutor reserves time with the grand jury and then presents evidence to them. In presenting the evidence, the prosecutor is trying to persuade the grand jurors that the people he or she wants to charge have committed certain crimes. The evidence can be almost anything--testimony from witnesses (including police officers or federal agents), documents, video recordings, tape recordings, the results of scientific tests (like DNA tests), photographs, etc. Here, you see a prosecutor presenting evidence to a grand jury (the gentleman is the prosecutor; the lady is the court reporter):





The grand jurors listen to the evidence and decides if it establishes probable cause to believe the person the prosecutor wants to charge has committed the crime(s) the prosecutor claims. Here, you seen grand jurors discussing evidence that has been presented to them:



After they hear all the prosecutor's evidence, the jurors vote on a set of proposed charges--known as an "indictment"--which the prosecutor has drafted and gives to the grand jurors. If the grand jurors decide the evidence creates probable cause to believe the persons named in an indictment committed the crimes it charges them with, they vote to "return" the indictment, i.e., to charge the person with those crimes. Voting to return charges is usually known as "returning a true bill." If a grand jury votes to return a true bill, the indictment is valid and it initiates a criminal case against the people named as defendants in the indictment. A majority of the grand jurors must vote for an indictment in order to return a true bill.

If a majority of the grand jurors don't think the prosecutor's evidence creates probable cause, they will vote not to return the indictment. When a majority of grand jurors vote not to return an indictment, this is known alternatively as "returning a bill of ignoramus" or "returning a no bill." If the grand jurors vote not to return an indictment, the indictment is not valid and no criminal case results.

But even if a grand jury votes not to indict, that isn't the end of things. A grand jury's vote not to return an indictment is not a final judgment that triggers the constitutional protection against "double jeopardy." To be protected against double jeopardy, a person has to have been "put into jeopardy" and then the proceeding in which "jeopardy attached" had to end without that person's being convicted. The basic rule of thumb is that "jeopardy attaches" when the first witness is sworn in a bench trial (that is, a trial to the court, where there is no jury) or when the jury is sworn in if the case is to be tried by a jury. This means, for example, that if a jury has been sworn in and heard the evidence in a criminal case and they vote to acquit the defendant, he or she cannot be re-tried on those charges. That is precisely what happened to O.J. Simpson: Because the jury in the criminal case acquitted him, he cannot be re-tried on any charges arising out of the death's of Nicole Brown Simpson or Ronald Goldman. (The civil trial was not barred by double jeopardy because the double jeopardy provision only protects you from being repeatedly tried on the same CRIMINAL charges.)


Investigating

Grand juries also investigate, either as part of bringing criminal charges or as a purely separate function.

In the federal system, there are two kinds of grand juries: "Regular grand juries" primarily decide whether to bring charges. But a different kind of grand jury--a "special grand jury"--is called into existence to investigate whether organized crime is occurring in the community in which it sits. "Organized crime" is defined very broadly--it is not limited to the "Godfather"-style image of the Magia or La Cosa Nostra. Instead, a special grand jury can investigate, for example, organized drug activity or organized corruption in government. If a special federal grand jury investigates and establishes that organized crime is, or has been, occurring in the area, the grand jury can charge the individuals responsible for the organized crime and/or can issue a report describing what has been going on. If the grand jury issues a report, it has to submit the report to the court that supervises the grand jury; the court then decides whether the report can be made public.

Many states have "regular" (indicting) grand juries. But a number of states also have grand juries that investigate organized crime, especially organized drug crime. And some states let grand juries investigate any kind of crime--organized or otherwise. A few states follow the old, common law practice and let grand juries initiate their own investigations based on what the grand jurors know about what is going on in their community. At common law, grand juries could bring criminal charges in a special document--which was known as a "presentment"--when they acted on their own. If they returned charges brought to them by a prosecutor, those charges were contained in an indictment. If the grand jury acted without the prosecutor, they brought charges in a presentment. Some states still let grand juries do this. Both the presentment and the indictment have the same legal effect--both initiate a criminal case.

Since no law forbids their investigating on their own, federal grand juries could also do this, although they can't bring charges in a presentment. In the 1970's, a federal court of appeals (the court just below the Supreme Court) held that charges cannot be brought except in an indictment signed by a prosecutor. According to this court, if the prosecutor won't sign the charging document (which has to be an indictment), no case results. That decision effectively stymies federal grand juries from bringing charges on their own.

Even though they may (after all, it was only a court of appeals decision) not be able to bring charges on their own, federal grand juries can still investigate; there is no statute or decision that says they can't. In practice, though, federal grand juries don't initiate they own investigations --they depend on prosecutors who decide what they will investigate. Part of the reason why federal grand juries don't bring their own investigations may be the complexity of many federal crimes. Tax fraud and racketeering offenses, for example, can be very legally and factually complex, so it may not be possible for lay jurors to initiate these.

A number of states follow common law practice and use grand juries to investigate things other than crime, such as conditions in the community. At common law, grand juries administered county government, dealing with roads, bridges, and other community affairs. With the rise of administrative agencies, this aspect of their responsibilities has fallen away for the most part. (In California, however, grand juries continue to oversee the operation of county government; these "civil grand juries" investigate all aspects of county government, and often issue reports.)

States do still use grand juries for some civil investigations. Many states, for example, use grand juries to inspect local jails, to ensure they're being maintained properly. And some states use grand juries to monitor the conduct of various public affairs and the operation of various public agencies."


http://campus.udayton.edu/~grandjur/faq/faq3.htm

Wally
 
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:

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Today, 10:59 AM #1919
dogman
HSM Regular


Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 253 Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainSolo
I bet ya $20 This ends up RPH's baby again! If you win I'll paypal it!


I will bet you 1000 that Rufus ends up in jail, John brings this company back and we trade higher than we have every traded. 20 shows your conviction

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Jenna I bet a 1000 that dogman sees jail time for distributing that doc today. Someone in my office mentioned 5 years is a general punishment for distributing Federal court documents without permission. [Wink] Of course this is JMHO.
What did the document he post basically say?
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Thanks for the legal info Wally. Now I need a cup of coffee. j/k [Big Grin]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:

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Today, 10:59 AM #1919
dogman
HSM Regular


Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 253 Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainSolo
I bet ya $20 This ends up RPH's baby again! If you win I'll paypal it!


I will bet you 1000 that Rufus ends up in jail, John brings this company back and we trade higher than we have every traded. 20 shows your conviction

*************************************************

Jenna I bet a 1000 that dogman sees jail time for distributing that doc today. Someone in my office mentioned 5 years is a general punishment for distributing Federal court documents without permission. [Wink] Of course this is JMHO.
What did the document he post basically say?
9 pages requesting any and all information regarding CSHD faxed to him by the FBI itself.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
And he posted it on HSM....The FBI docs.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Brazilianrosewood from HSM is stepping up to the plate......

copied from HSM

Anyone wanting to help BRW get the court of Deleware to name the real CEO of CSHD should contact BRW at thetruebrazillionrosewood*yahoo.com
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by a surfer:
And he posted it on HSM....The FBI docs.

Actually a link to a free file share site where it existed.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Very sad Tax- isn't it? I would be WAAAYYY to scared to post a federal doc......

...but it's OK to post an interview with a Federal employee...the lawyer from the SEC?


Doh... [Eek!] !!! I am so totally kidding you... [Wink]

luv ya
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Very sad Tax- isn't it? I would be WAAAYYY to scared to post a federal doc......

...but it's OK to post an interview with a Federal employee...the lawyer from the SEC?


Doh... [Eek!] !!! I am so totally kidding you... [Wink]

luv ya

LOL St Matt......priceless [Big Grin]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Hey Mr. C...nice work on here the last few days...all of you...nice work. I think we are getting very close to figuring out what "The Plan" has been all along...and what bumps in the road we have encountered since the plans inception...and where we will go from here...good or bad. We are close...very close.

Matthew
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
LMAO [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]


WHENEVER I WANT LOL , I JUST READ THIS THREAD\\\


FUNNY CHITTT HERE KEEP IT UP. [Big Grin]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by dollar13:
LMAO [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile] [Smile]


WHENEVER I WANT LOL , I JUST READ THIS THREAD\\\


FUNNY CHITTT HERE KEEP IT UP. [Big Grin]

No problem but if you need a laugh and aren't close to the computer, just look in the mirror. Just kidding.

Wally
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
LOL


YEAH I GOT AN "CSHD" POSTER IN MY MIRROR


[Big Grin]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Cat? You have been in this because of FHAL and the log deals...now isn't this James Gee one of Mikes loyal guys? and is it possible that MA has James falling for Rufus being the con? ..Maybe MA is playing him? And James has been suckered as well...
hell we have all been suckered..LOL
I would just like to know who the heck the biggest sucker maker is!
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
i dunno about the biggest, but this guy makes the weirdest, tequilla suckers

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http://www.cybercandy.co.uk/aaasmt/index.php/url_pmet3/xlc_444/xdbc_22/dbtc_2/pi c_1/add_44112/stc_1/scope_short
 
Posted by dollar13 on :
 
HEY GLASSY THERE YOU ARE, HOW YOU'V BEEN??
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Cat? You have been in this because of FHAL and the log deals...now isn't this James Gee one of Mikes loyal guys? and is it possible that MA has James falling for Rufus being the con? ..Maybe MA is playing him? And James has been suckered as well...
hell we have all been suckered..LOL
I would just like to know who the heck the biggest sucker maker is!

Yea, i posted last night that i suspect James could have been coached into the FBI doc thing, and i suppose possibly some other things. I dont know for sure that James is a "local" with Mike but its my understanding that he worked for Dave Perley (contractor i believe) at one time.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
No doubt James is Mike's buddy. James drove Mike to the BBQ. He was also bragging about being the one who wrote the PR stating Mike was taking back over CSHD. He also stated that he bought his shares back when it was FURIA...I think from Perley.
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
If I remember correctly, the whole Berlin Exchange trading is part of the SEC investigation. All I remember is that Rufus is the one that brought it to light. I had no idea that shares were being traded there until he mentioned it way back on SPR. He also stated he couldn't figure out how they were doing it since the company never authorized. HMM, I wonder how that happened. Either he is a complete liar and the worst con man ever or there is another explaination. I guess time will tell.

Wally

I've been relistening to the Oct. SPR show and Rufus brought up the Berlin Exchange. He was talking about how the shorts would cover. He said to watch the Berline Exchange...that the brokers would go there to sell shares and use those proceeds to pay off their shorts here in the US.
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Proposal for all the current and former directors of CSHD: Rufus, Ben, Mike, Dave, and of course John Arlitt. Maybe it could be included on the upcoming proxy vote. Maybe we, the shareholders, could force this to happen.

I would like to propose something on behalf of the shareholders. I feel pretty darn confident that an overwhelming majority of them would feel the same way. This proposal is contingent upon each and ever one of you being clean and void of any criminal activity associated with CSHD and / or the financial markets in general. If you are not, we would like to propose that you leave the shareholders and CSHD alone so that we can try to salvage our investment. We are told that the forensics trail is there, and that those involved will be caught and made to pay for their crimes. If any of you are involved in any way, shape or fashion, we would like to request that you stop trying to take the rest of us down with you.

Assuming, as each of you say, that you are all clean and void of any criminal activity associated with CSHD and the financial markets in general…I think it’s time that you mend your fences and come together to work as a very viable and powerful force in the financial markets. Through all the cryptic messages posted on the thread over the last couple of weeks / months, I keep hearing one common theme…that the trap has been set and that it can’t be stopped…and that we have caught the bad guys...that they are screwed, hosed, finished.

If that is true, then it’s time to now focus your attention on the good guys…your shareholders. We are the ones who have held strong through thick and thin and made this thing possible. There would not still be a Conversion Solutions if not for the strength and courage of the longs. Keep in mind, we have held strong through the following:

1. Three CEO changes.
2. Countless BOD changes.
3. The perception of an organized NSS (RICO) ring.
4. The perception of organized bashing and pumping.
5. A perceived prejudice of those on IHUB.
6. Timothy Miles…aka “Our-street”.
7. Countless lies and innuendos from those who claim to be “in-the-know”.
8. A roller coaster ride of emotional swings.
9. A promised and not delivered $15 PPS after the merger with Fronthal Group.
10. A promised and not delivered 6 for 1 share re-distribution for shareholders of record on October 16th, 2006.
11. Shareholders of certain brokerage houses not being able to buy additional shares of CSHD, only to sell shares.
12. Shareholders not listed on the NOBO list…thus being told that they owned “air shares”.
13. Threats from unknown characters.
14. Personal family and financial losses.
15. Fake PR’s, real PR’s.
16. Never ending questions about the company assets (the Bonds).
17. Misfiled 10-K’s.
18. An illegitimate “E” added to our stock symbol.
19. An SEC halt and investigation.
20. An FBI investigation.
21. Court dates and BBQ’s,
22. The lack of legal representation on the part of the company when requested by the SEC and the shareholders.
23. Infighting between both present and former CEO’s / BOD members.
24. Questions and uncertainty about the legitimacy of the current CEO.
25. Questions and uncertainty about the legitimacy of the SHC.
26. Questions and uncertainty about the removal of our original CEO.
27. An incredible lack of communication on the part of CEO’s during times that were deemed as critical by the shareholders.
28. A former (or current…who knows) CEO who seems to attack and write off anyone who disagrees with him publicly or privately.
29. A former (or current…who knows) CEO who went “on vacation” immediately upon taking the company back over and promising to start acting like we expected him to act.
30. Several late night SPR shows.

All of this has occurred in just the last 4-6 months. The fact that there is still such a strong interest and support base for this company and stock is nothing short of miraculous.

Yesterday, I was looking at the pictures from the Dallas Shareholder Meeting at La Finca. What a fine group of people that was…everyone was enjoying themselves, laughing and communicating with each other. It was a very uplifting experience. I try to remember a time when we all got along and could dream of the potential of this company’s future. It was once said that this was the only company that one would ever need to invest in. It is the shareholders who have kept the dream alive.

It is now time to revisit that dream. It is time to pull the resources that once seemed to be such a good match together again so that we can live the dream. Each and every one of you brings something very valuable to the company. Based on the events of the last couple of months, it does not seem as if either of you can get it done by yourselves. We don’t have to always like who we are working with…however, we have to get results for who we are working for. As a publicly traded company, that would be the shareholders.

If John is able to bring back a deal from Europe that benefits the shareholders, we need to rejoice in this accomplishment and continue build from there. If Rufus has some beneficial proposals up his sleeve, then we need to add those to the pot. If Mike wants to use Ecowood to secure more bonds for the company, then we need to do that. Whatever Dave Perley and James Gee can bring to the table would be greatly appreciated. Like I said, it’s time to focus on the shareholders.

If Rufus’ goal all along has been to trap the shorts and stop NSS in this country, we will support you in your efforts as long as you keep the shareholders in mind when it comes to a settlement for our restitution. The good fight should be carried onward and upward by Rufus and whatever powers that be who were involved in this epic battle to eliminate NSS forever so that we have a safe and secure investment environment in this country and around the world. People need to know that when they invest their hard earned income into monetary vehicles for future spending and / or retirement, the money will be there when they need it. For that we salute you and will support your efforts any way possible.

There is still a part of me that feels as if this still is “the perfect storm” and each person is playing his part in putting a permanent end to the NSS problem in this country. There is part of me that thinks that it is beneficial to ‘the plan’ for the bad guys to think that everyone is pointing fingers at each other and that nobody is getting along. It has been said by a select few that this is much bigger than we will ever know and that we will win in the end. If the bad guys are already caught in the trap…if they are already finished, let’s end this thing and start working together for the shareholders so we can all win.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Great post St Matt. I agree 100%.

You forgot to mention all of the reduction in productivity some of us have experienced in our 9 to 5's [Razz]
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
LOL...tell me about it... [Mad]
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Dont forget about the stock - lemon!
 
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
 
FWIW...a new message board has appeared since yesterday. The originator / moderator is representing themselves as Rufus Paul Harris. The board seems to be attracting a fair number of HSM posters. If it really is RPH, then this board might be a node for information, or perhaps it will only be of entertainment value, so......Enter at your own risk....
GLTA
http://www.cvsu.********s100.com/
http://www.cvsu. pro boards100.com/ (remove spaces)
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
FWIW...a new message board has appeared since yesterday. The originator / moderator is representing themselves as Rufus Paul Harris. The board seems to be attracting a fair number of HSM posters. If it really is RPH, then this board might be a node for information, or perhaps it will only be of entertainment value, so......Enter at your own risk....
GLTA
http://www.cvsu.********s100.com/
http://www.cvsu. pro boards100.com/ (remove spaces)

That looks familiar, wasnt that created some months ago? Or was that a different board?

FWIW i think the guy that promoted it over here was banned for it...im not sure about that but it rings a bell. Just a heads-up [Smile]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Guess you can tell who is in rufus's camp by reading over at that site...

New place to play games from what I can see...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Is that place for real?

I just went there.....I don't think it really is Rufus'
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Lots of people from HSM over there kissing butt....but noone asking Rufus questions.....I find that odd.....It seems like a perfect place to ask him direct questions yet noone is doing it......

That's why I like it here, no matter what we all feel, we look for answers, whether we will like those answers or not, at least we ask the questions & do the digging......that place just seems like a hang out...
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Lots of people from HSM over there kissing butt....but noone asking Rufus questions.....I find that odd.....It seems like a perfect place to ask him direct questions yet noone is doing it......

That's why I like it here, no matter what we all feel, we look for answers, whether we will like those answers or not, at least we ask the questions & do the digging......that place just seems like a hang out...

I don't think it was set up to be a "ask Rufus questions" board. It was set up to be able to speak freely about DD that has been done without getting banned. IMO
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
OT : So, for doing relatively nothing other than having a great idea and putting it all together you too can receive roughly 700,000 shares of google. Ok, maybe not but these guys did. heh. Old news sort of but its finally "official"

http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/08/technology/bc.youtube.payday.reut/index.htm?post version=2007020806?cnn=yes

Im joking when i say they did relatively nothing but seriously....1 year of working on an idea and POW!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Lots of people from HSM over there kissing butt....but noone asking Rufus questions.....I find that odd.....It seems like a perfect place to ask him direct questions yet noone is doing it......

That's why I like it here, no matter what we all feel, we look for answers, whether we will like those answers or not, at least we ask the questions & do the digging......that place just seems like a hang out...

I don't think it was set up to be a "ask Rufus questions" board. It was set up to be able to speak freely about DD that has been done without getting banned. IMO
It seems to be a direct response to what is happening at HSM. The bannings and deletions of posts. The little I read was not very valuable except for Brazil's(Fromerlyknowas Brazilianrosewood) post regarding Delaware court of chancellory. That was interesting.

The only thing I continue to see a deepening fracture of the shareholder base. The 2 or 3 camps that have developed and seem to be encouraged by the MA/DP, JA now with James GEE and Rufus. It just makes me think of the famous historical quote: "Divide and Conquer".

As St. Matt posted earlier it way beyond time for the leaders of this company to stop fighting and get together to fix the problems.

GLTA
Wally
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
...and drink free kool-aide.

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Lots of people from HSM over there kissing butt....but noone asking Rufus questions.....I find that odd.....It seems like a perfect place to ask him direct questions yet noone is doing it......

That's why I like it here, no matter what we all feel, we look for answers, whether we will like those answers or not, at least we ask the questions & do the digging......that place just seems like a hang out...


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
that's what I mean guys....Braziliian is doing dd over there what are the others doing?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
The kool-aide is free? Damn!
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
...has to be...nobody can afford to buy it right now. [Eek!]

quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
The kool-aide is free? Damn!


 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
that's what I mean guys....Braziliian is doing dd over there what are the others doing?

Suckling off of Brazilian? [Smile]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
LOL Mr. C....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Do you guys remember this from HSM Dec. 13th posted by the mysterious John Smith......(an interesting read) "Sabra....Where are you?"...

*************************************************

After the patriot Act requiring sharing of data, the little company in DC that I work for has been very busy. We can take the data from any system and make it available to any other system. Recently I came across data regarding CSHD and it caught my attention being a share holder. I started asking questions, and the information started pouring out. Everybody was willing to provide information off the record. The following is a summary of what I was told.

It looks like a lot of attention was on CSHD because of Sabra Dabbs. She had been running several questionable businesses that had attracted a lot of attention. Sabra was transferring money from off shore accounts to a Wachovia bank in FL. They thought she was money laundering at first. She was running a company called Power House Funding that was charging a $50,000.00 broker fee to people needing funding to locate funds. She would claim that she had access to large amounts of money, and would require them to pay her a fee to come onsite and look over the project, review their business plans, and then she would promise to get them funding. According to the complaints filed, she never provided the funding. I was told that there was not one project ever funded, and there are a some really upset people. These included some very high up people in other countries that were looking for project funding that banks did not want to touch. There were also some very nasty p! eople on the money side that also looked to be money laundering. And on the money side, is where she came across the bonds.

Some of these bonds that Sabra was representing were people that did not want to be known. When Rufus released their information, the Caracas Group sent a C&D. Rufus then had to hold off on releasing the 10K while Sabra tried salvage the relationship with the Caracas Group. Rufus believed that since he had a contract they could not back out. But It seems Sabra had not fully disclosed to Rufus the contracts and control she had with the bonds. The SEC then decided this was the time to step in and halted CSHD. Since Rufus had given the SEC copies of the contracts that Sabra had gotten, she gave the SEC a copy of the Caracas Group C&D in a effort to protect herself. Sabra then tried to take over the company by voting Rufus out. Rufus had seen it coming, and had Mike take the company back. Sabra then decided that since Rufus had not filed all the paper work needed to make her VP, she could not be held liable and decided to bail.

Sabra then started telling Mike her version of the problems and that she was the only one that had control of the bonds. Mike was caught in the middle and could not get Sabra to help now that she knew she was not a legal VP. While trying get answers from Rufus there was a pretty heated phone call between Mike and Rufus. Mike then decided to give the company back to Rufus. Sabra then started working with the share holder committee members to get them to remove Rufus. Sabra also told the SEC and SHC that preferred shares had been sold to people she had gotten to invest and nobody knew were the money was. Sabra has also been telling SHC tht Rufus and family have been dumping shares. Sabra was the person that had setup the CSHD accounts with the ADP and MM. Sabra was how the SHC and John was able to get things filed when Rufus couldn’t. Sabra has been playing both sides and against each other. The list of bad news that has been given the SHC is very long, and it! all is coming from Sabra. Behind the scenes Sabra has played a major role in the events that taken place, and poeple in the know can confirm this.

Sabra also had a company called The Corporate Credit Firm that for $5,000.00 would help companies build a corporate credit profile. She was reselling them a $600.00 Dunn &Bradstreet credit profile. That is how she met Mike. Had Sabra been able to build Mike's corporate credit and gotten him funding with her two companies then maybe Mike would have never gotten invloved with toxic funding. There were a lot of people that got charged $5,000.00 and never got anything more than a couple credit card accounts opened for them. All this is just the tip of the iceberg, but it is information that you can DD. From all the information I have seen, there should be no problem in finding people from Sabra’s past and the people involved to validate what I have found out. If the people mentioned deny what I have found out, make them put it in writing. Then you will be able to take legal action against them when the people off the record move forward!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Posted on that "new board"

Topic: What is “Conversion Solutions Holding Corp’s” current status?

Facts: The Corporation’s current status is “Default” in the State of Georgia’s Federal court system!

Questions rising from the facts: Can a “Court Ordered Default” corporation function as a normal corporation? Is there any restrictions on the Corporation under a “Default”?

This just the Topic of my future post. The post will be around 7:00 PM tonight. Just before SPR at 9:00

Rufus Paul Harris
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Hey look, here's my pile of CSHD shares!  -
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
EEEWWW PC - that stinks...get that out of here!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Holy Cow Anna Nicole is dead!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Holy Cow Anna Nicole is dead!!!!!!!!!!!

Big deal! What did she ever do except sleep with a rich old man?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
It's just sad.....She waisted her life on drugs....

Hey who gets her money? The old man's kids????
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Holy Cow Anna Nicole is dead!!!!!!!!!!!

Big deal! What did she ever do except sleep with a rich old man?
She was a mother that recently lost her son!
No one knows the pain she was going thru unless you have been thru it your self!

I'm not defending her lifestyle, but my heart went out to her.

Let's not talk negative about a person's death.IMO
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hi (stock) Mamma....

I feel sad about it to- I think she was a "lost" soul.....I can't imagine losing a child....it must be the worst thing a person can face.....I felt for her when the happened.....perhaps after that she lost her will to live....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Mr. C - yor mailbox is full baby...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
But i like to save them ALLLLL [Razz]

Ok, i fixed it
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
For the most part the other site looks like a waste of time. I'll read to see what RPH posts ans any DD done by Brazil but IMO, Rufus did Don at HSM a favor. Such trash.

Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yea, its a bit out of control.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
A bit?
Kinda like this stock though come to think of it...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yea but it only takes one rude and obviously quite bored doofus to wreck something real quick. [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Hey Rufus is trying to get a point across and it's hard to find it since all they seeems to care about is chatting and posting naked pictures or just fun and games. I think I see where he is going and it is very intersting

Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Number of shares as stated in the March 31, 2006 10-Q filed on 5/12/2006


United States
Securities and Exchange Commission
Washington, D.C. 20549
Form 10-QSB

|X| QUARTERLY REPORT UNDER SECTION 13 OR 15(d) OF THE
SECURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1934

For the quarterly period ended March 31, 2006

http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707706000033/fhaul10q33106.htm

State the number of shares outstanding of each of the issuer's classes of common equity, as of the latest practicable date: 62,489,721 shares of common stock as of May 1, 2006.


Number of Shares as stated in the July 11, 2006 8-K Merger filed


UNITED STATES
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20549

FORM 8-K

Current Report Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d)
of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934

July 11, 2006

Date of Report
(Date of Earliest Event Reported)

The Fronthaul Group, Inc.
(Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)


5.3 BUYER'S STOCK.

(a) The authorized capital stock of the Buyer consists of 200,000,000 shares of common stock, $.001 par value per share, of which 62,157,721 shares are issued and outstanding as of the date of this Agreement, and except for such shares, there are no shares of capital stock of the Buyer outstanding. There are options see Exhibit D ("FHAL Financials"). In addition, there are 10,000,000 shares of capital stock reserved under the Fronthaul Group Inc. Compensation Plan for Outside Directors.

(b) All of the issued and outstanding shares of capital stock of the Buyer are duly and validly issued and outstanding and are fully paid and non-assessable, except to the extent otherwise required by the Delaware General Statutes 53-42 or other applicable Law, and none are subject to preemptive rights. Shares of the Buyer's Stock to be issued in connection with the Merger have been duly authorized and, when so issued, will be fully paid and non-assessable, and will not be subject to preemptive rights.


http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707706000045/fhaul8kmerger.htm


More Facts to Follow

Number of shares filed in the November 11, 2006 8-K filing


SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20549

FORM 8-K

CURRENT REPORT

Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934

November 2, 2006
---------------------------------
Date of Report
(Date of Earliest Event Reported)

Delaware
000-13910

(State or other jurisdiction of Commission)


43-2109079
(I.R.S. Employer incorporation)


Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
(Exact Name of Registrant as Specified in its Charter)


WHEREAS, shareholders owning a 51+% majority of the 159,000,000 outstanding shares of the Company as evidenced by the signatures to these shareholder minutes have determined it is in the best interest of the Company for a new set of directors be appointed to take control of the Company in lieu of the present board and managements violating certain provisions of the Merger Agreement including, but not exclusive of, Sections 2, 4 and 6, which have caused the Company to be subjected to investigations by the Securities and Exchange Commission for filing erroneous financial statements, publishing questionable press releases, the NASD’s halting of trading in the Company’s shares, and not filing proper documents and amendments with the Delaware Secretary of State.

http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707706000088/new8k.htm

More to follow

CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDINGS CORP
Active Shareholder Report
Common Stock as of 8/16/2006
CUSIP NUMBER 35904R 10 3

Number received from Transfer Agent Records


Active Share Holders 798Active Certificates 1,156Free Trading Stock 31,060,490Restricted Stock 66,165,897Shares Outstanding 97,226,387


Number received from ADP (the second NOBO list)


Active Share Holders 3,796Free Trading Stock 26,601,356


Note the 97,226,387 Total outstanding shares provide by the Transfer Agent on 8/16/2006 which included all class of stock even preferred stock

More to come


Number of shares filed in the November 11, 2006 8-K filing


SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20549

FORM 8-K

CURRENT REPORT

Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934

November 2, 2006
---------------------------------
Date of Report
(Date of Earliest Event Reported)

Delaware
000-13910

(State or other jurisdiction of Commission)


43-2109079
(I.R.S. Employer incorporation)


Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
(Exact Name of Registrant as Specified in its Charter)


WHEREAS, shareholders owning a 51+% majority of the 159,000,000 outstanding shares of the Company as evidenced by the signatures to these shareholder minutes have determined it is in the best interest of the Company for a new set of directors be appointed to take control of the Company in lieu of the present board and managements violating certain provisions of the Merger Agreement including, but not exclusive of, Sections 2, 4 and 6, which have caused the Company to be subjected to investigations by the Securities and Exchange Commission for filing erroneous financial statements, publishing questionable press releases, the NASD’s halting of trading in the Company’s shares, and not filing proper documents and amendments with the Delaware Secretary of State.

http://sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/757563/000129707706000088/new8k.htm

More to follow

CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDINGS CORP
Active Shareholder Report
Common Stock as of 8/16/2006
CUSIP NUMBER 35904R 10 3

Number received from Transfer Agent Records


Active Share Holders 798Active Certificates 1,156Free Trading Stock 31,060,490Restricted Stock 66,165,897Shares Outstanding 97,226,387


Number received from ADP (the second NOBO list)


Active Share Holders 3,796Free Trading Stock 26,601,356


Note the 97,226,387 Total outstanding shares provide by the Transfer Agent on 8/16/2006 which included all class of stock even preferred stock

More to come

Take the number of active shareholders from the Transfer agents records on 8/16/06 of 798 with 97,226,387 outstanding

Compare with the active number of share holders on the ADP/NOBO on the same date of 3,796 with 26,601,356
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Those look like dots huh Wally [Smile]
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
A difference of 2,998 active shareholders

The problem with the numbers is; the only shareholders that show up on the ADP/NOBO list is DTC capable shares which by the Transfer Agents list was 31,060,497

The exact number of shareholders compiled in the TA's list of 31M will be disclosed shortly in the next post

This will give you the true number of illegal shareholders
Link to Post - Back to Top Logged

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Rufus Paul Harris
Chairman & CEO
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Those look like dots huh Wally [Smile]

Dots? More like friggin bullets.


Wally
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yea, talk about airing out the laundry eh?
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Number received from Transfer Agent Records


Active Share Holders 798Active Certificates 1,156Free Trading Stock 31,060,490Restricted Stock 66,165,897Shares Outstanding 97,226,387


Number received from ADP (the second NOBO list)


Active Share Holders 3,796Free Trading Stock 26,601,356


Note the 97,226,387 Total outstanding shares provide by the Transfer Agent on 8/16/2006 which included all class of stock even preferred stock


It's a hard read but I wouold think you must add the active shareholders to the certificate holders for the true T/A total which should be 1,954. that would still mean that an additional 1,842 shareholders. Maybe I'm confusing myself here

Wally
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I get that there are allot of NSS...what I don't get is why any of this had to go to a SEC halt and court to get something done...
If the SEC needed to halt it...they should have NEVER LET IT TRADE until all was resolved...
Rufus seems to be pounding his head and getting no where...just like the rest of us!
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I get that there are allot of NSS...what I don't get is why any of this had to go to a SEC halt and court to get something done...
If the SEC needed to halt it...they should have NEVER LET IT TRADE until all was resolved...
Rufus seems to be pounding his head and getting no where...just like the rest of us!

It's not just the NSS, IMO. It's the additional shares that the TA is showing. Rufus is,IMO, attempting to show that they didn't come from him or CSHD. Looks like they somehow came from FHAL.

Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I get that there are allot of NSS...what I don't get is why any of this had to go to a SEC halt and court to get something done...
If the SEC needed to halt it...they should have NEVER LET IT TRADE until all was resolved...
Rufus seems to be pounding his head and getting no where...just like the rest of us!

It's not just the NSS, IMO. It's the additional shares that the TA is showing. Rufus is,IMO, attempting to show that they didn't come from him or CSHD. Looks like they somehow came from FHAL.

Now the question is would a guilty man be airing it out in public? Possibly if he wants to take Mike etal down with him but IMO not likely.

Wally


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
That's also what I am "reading" out of it Wally...Is Ruus trying to point to the fact that the TA's are also "playing" this game...hiding the shares..or letting hidden shares re surface?

Also...did anyone notice the ad for Ameritrade at the top of that new site? rather ironic...
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I would imagine that the TA would have had to known about the gifted shares all along as well so maybe thats whats happening here 10
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
Rufus has alluded to the fact that the TA was not very cooperative with him. If in fact, I don't know at this time, the TA was working with Mike, Dave Perly and even the holders of the CD's for Toxic financing, then he wouldn't wnat Rufus or anyone else from CSHD looking into things. That would explain why he wanted everything going through him including the PR's and 8K's. remember this is just speculation.

Wally
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Goes along with Rufus saying it took him a while to get codes for something from the TA, while it took JA like a week or two.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
Goes along with Rufus saying it took him a while to get codes for something from the TA, while it took JA like a week or two.

In Fact Rufus stated that he never was able to get the codes from the TA.


Wally
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Even better lol.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Included in the TA's 31,060,490 Free trading shares is 25,755,130 of OBO list shares [CEDE and company shares] (not included in the NOBO list)

Subtract the 25M from the 31M you have 5,305,360 in shares held by shareholders that will be listed on the NOBO according to the companies book as of 8/16/2006

Now the 5,305,360 shares are held by 522 listed shareholders

3,796 shareholders by ADP/NOBO list and 522 by the TA's

A difference of 3,274 shareholders between ADP/NOBO and The corporations books
Link to Post - Back to Top Logged

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Rufus Paul Harris
Chairman & CEO
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corporation
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
OMG? Rufus just said that one of the reasons that he started the website was to get peoples IP address....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Yea, i know heh. Im guessing that was a polite warning to the people who might start trouble there
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"Do you know about MA's gift of shares?"

R:"Yes, I think it will fit right in with the TA filings.......we pulled our Nobo list compared it & it was scary.....that's when I said if you're not on the list contact Mitch & Sabra.....If you follow the information that I have provided, which is already public, It's scary....."

S:"The 3,200 shareholder difference is that a surplus on the nobo list or company's book?"

R:"Nobo list...."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"What is the true share structure?"

R:"Well, how many are true?.....How do you say they are a real shareholder if they don't hold real share.....I'm sorry .....this is not pretty...There is no way you are going to take a multimillion dollar corp forward with that...."

Trying to keep up....sorry.....

S:"Did you hear last night when BrazilianRose was on?"

R:"Negative..."

S:"Brazil...got banned from HSM...."

R:"Fact is fact....truth is truth...."

S:"He's trying to get a lawsuit going...."

R:"I already hear there was a few.....against John Arlitt, Mike A.......This is third party though, I guess I'm starting a rumor."

(laughing)

Regarding: The CEO change?....

S:"The laws of Delaware require a 10 day advance notice......"

R:"......I guess the SEC just let them do what they are going to do.....I can stand in court & argue but....you can't change pr's...let them go...."

S:"Speaking of rumors.....everything I am saying is speculation.....

R:"Except for the facts like the NOBO list..."

S:"I haven't seen the subpoena.....What did it say?"

R:"They were asking for CSHD's files..."

S:"Asking who?"

R:"James Gee, he had them.....Did the subpeona have a case number? ...or was it an information subpeona....."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"You like to dance around some of the questions..."

R:"Answering some questions could be damaging to some cases....anytime I feel that thats the case I say I ...can't....There is an investigation...a very large one......"

S:"Who wants trouble?....even the bad guys don't...Someone is writing in saying there is a grand jury room number, a date & time, but no case number.....there is a number...maybe that's a case number, maybe not..."

R:"Ask them what the date is...

S:"Ok...the FBI subpeona is still out there, has not been removed...."
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
HSM is falling apart... [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
What? John Arlitt? 1.8 million dollars?

You catch what he said there?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rufus ia a dumb ass.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"The day it got halted....we were all saying it's a good thing...so I think right now we have another junction point.....everyone's saying someone's going to jail.....& some people are saying that it's going to be you Rufus...."

R:"I don't care.....let them say it.....you have to do something wrong....I haven't done anything.....If one of the (Company) officers is saying something stupid I wouldn't even talk to them for a few weeks....."

S:"Some have actually said Rufus is just bullying , threatening lawsuit...."

R:"File a lawsuit? I never said that.....I'd call & tell on you first..."

S:"What about M N 1 & Ourstreet....you just said that you don't threaten lawsuit you call the autorities....."

R:"I said regarding M N 1, I said if you sold becsuse of what they said.....to ......

...sorry I can't keep up!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"The day it got halted....we were all saying it's a good thing...so I think right now we have another junction point.....everyone's saying someone's going to jail.....& some people are saying that it's going to be you Rufus...."

R:"I don't care.....let them say it.....you have to do something wrong....I haven't done anything.....If one of the (Company) officers is saying something stupid I wouldn't even talk to them for a few weeks....."

S:"Some have actually said Rufus is just bullying , threatening lawsuit...."

R:"File a lawsuit? I never said that.....I'd call & tell on you first..."

S:"What about M N 1 & Ourstreet....you just said that you don't threaten lawsuit you call the autorities....."

R:"I said regarding M N 1, I said if you sold becsuse of what they said.....to ......

...sorry I can't keep up!!!!!!!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rufus and Simon are talking about the bible. good way to distract from the real story. He's all happy and stuff.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
They are talking about being a Christian.....talking about the Bible.....

S:"We're not here to fix the world."

R:"Yeah we are .....we all have to do our part...."....."Let's go back to the Nobo list...26 mil on the TA list...."

S:"Is there anything you need your shareholders to do?"

R:"Document.....& call for their certs.....I have used a few individuals as tools....they have called their brokers & the broker says it's trading between .13...& .16...they can't do that..It's a blind market....."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
The book says 5.3million.....

26 million...scary....

couldn't keep up....Damn & that was important!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Rufus is totally supporting everything Mike has done and doesnt feel Mike has done anything wrong

Ok, but he is a bit hesitant that Mike MIGHT be involved someway

Im surprised the "gifted shares" havent come up?!
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Rufus talks about everything, except why he couldn't just run a company making money and value for the shareholders. IMO. Everything has to be about all the NSS, SEC, NOBO,SHC,.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
R:"I don;t think Mike A. understood.....

S:"Was Mike the CEO of Fronthaul when....."

R:"Affirmative,,,do I think Mike A. is responsible for what happened? Negative....If he as an individual commited fraud yeah, but just because a Rico law was broken...(I think this is what he said)

S:"If I let a burgular in my house..."

R:"Only a dumb as* would ask that....go ahead & ask..."

S:"So if i let him in, he's in a three piece suit & he doesn't beat me, but he steals from me...I'm not responsible?"

R:"No & you're a dumb as*....He was a victim of a Short selling ring....unless he was benefiting from it...."

S:"If Mike entered into an agreement & the party was offshore (outside of the SEC) what good is that?"

R:"Just because ther off shore doesn't mean anything....you still have a court case..."

S:"Mike being the vicim of the NSS....you said that....being that Mike may be a victim as long as Mike is not proven to gain fron the NSing"

R:"If he knew, he was a victim of it....we discussed.....can I be at fault , no you voted on it as shareholders of cvsu...."

S:"Hopefully Mike is proven not to have any ill-gotten gains...."

R:"If he was a party to it in any way , shape, or form, he's guilty......I'm going to stay with you guys all the way through until you get your shares....I told you that.."

S:"Question...Who do you think Mike's shares were gifted to?

R:"Man, I don't know, I don't even want to know....I told him to file the form.....you need the proper documentation with the SEC.....I'm not going to put Mike on the firing squad...."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
S:"9 out 10 times when you make that transaction it's in street name.....so what you saying is right on target....so I want to put an order standing that I want everything in cert....."

R:"26 million were on the Nobo,of that 5 million were on the book...the people on the obo list there is no way that the company knows who you are.....that means you are on street name....that's it....5 million...the majority owns air shares.....we have to go by the Nobo list.....who's fault is that? It's for the courts to decided..."
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
They are taking a break....I have to go guys...I'm so sorry!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Good night my stock family.....
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Well, it appears there was a major blood letting over at HSM. After all of the hype recently i just had to follow it a bit. Its been like a firing squad but actually the targets are jumping in front of the shooter heh

Im guessing after tonight it will be "over" in that part of the CSHD world
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
So what Rufus is getting at is we have to kiss his and everybody elses ass just to get half a chance to make money on these horsesh!t shares of cshd.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
S : You know all of these interviews are recorded right?

R : Yea id have to be an idiot not to know that

S : If the SEC contacted me and wanted all of these interviews what do you think i would do?

R : What do you think i would tell you to do?

They agreed Simon would need to comply

--------------------------------

Rufus had warned Simon before to be good with them if they call and BAM Simon got the call from the SEC. Sounds like Simon kind flipped out
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Simon made the SEC email him with an SEC address and then had them send him a number for him to call.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Oh dear lord Rufus just gave out a number for someone that called him and he feels was involved with the fake PR for M N 1

Im not gonna put it up here......but its out there if you look

He said if you can name the person that answers that number you will probably be a hero
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
Timothy miles? lol
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
The name is already tracked for the number....David M. Levine

Some legal guy i think...i kinda missed part of it. Called Rufus and claimed to be from Deutche Bank. Then called him again and without asking put him up on an M N 1 interview

http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=12076870
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=12076870

Heres his info.
 
Posted by cassity on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Igor R:
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=12076870

Heres his info.

Oh shista! Man I love this thread! LOL
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
S : is it possible that Rufus, MA and JA are working together in a attack on NSS?

R : Thats possible yes....laughter

S : Well what are the odds of that?

R : More laughter...i dont know how to factor that
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Rufus says that the fact that the Euroclear account is there is HUGE....either its very good or its very bad depending on "which side" set the account up
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
I just checked in and heard Rufus said that
There was never any FHAL financials...with the merger...
This has been a problem in my eyes for some time...I even emailed Benson and Rufus back then because I was concerened...
I missed the begining of it...so I don't know why they were speaking of it...
Also? They have been asking who called the "special meeting" in order to "vote Rufus out? Rufus was the ONLY board member...and it needed to be a board member that "called" the meeting...AND? There are many other reasons that they are speaking of...
Rufus IS still the CEO...

Have fun guys...
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
And a lousy one he is at that.


quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
I just checked in and heard Rufus said that
There was never any FHAL financials...with the merger...
This has been a problem in my eyes for some time...I even emailed Benson and Rufus back then because I was concerened...
I missed the begining of it...so I don't know why they were speaking of it...
Also? They have been asking who called the "special meeting" in order to "vote Rufus out? Rufus was the ONLY board member...and it needed to be a board member that "called" the meeting...AND? There are many other reasons that they are speaking of...
Rufus IS still the CEO...

Have fun guys...


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Mr.C good job taking over with transcribing.....If you keep it up I may lose my job!!!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Haha, i doubt it Jenna....i just lucked out that they started getting tired and were talking slower [Smile]
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
The story Rufus been telling hasn't changed and became clearer on SPR lately.....imo

The shorts should be scared!LOL

No time frame but payday will be coming...I can wait.


Goooooooooooooooo Rufus!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Anybody hear anything about Monday? I thought I saw a post on another sight about Monday.....anybody hear anything?
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? Did you ever make the phone call?
And i was curious as to what Doc thinks of all of this?
And Humble?
 
Posted by Murnak on :
 
The SPR show on now is great!

I only heard the last hour last night............

This is good!
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Jenna, i think someone was trying to match up a bible verse Rufus quoted to a date or something.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
From crashdummy * Rufus' new message board:

For those of you who have asked here is what the SHC was doing.
CSHD Shareholder Committee Minutes
November 22, 2006
Conference Call


The following is an accounting of the CSHD Shareholder Committee meeting, which reconvened from Tuesday, November 21, 2006, and was held between 4:00 p.m., CST and approximately 5:45 p.m., CST on Wednesday, November 22, 2006.

1. Attendees

The following members of the CSHD Shareholder Committee were present: Deleted to protect individuals of harassment.


2. Purpose of Meeting

The purpose of the meeting was to discuss the response received by Mr. Rufus Paul Harris to the Official Request submitted to him by the Shareholder Committee on Tuesday, November 21, 2006. Verbal communication to said request was expected via telephone communication and/or e-mail no later than 10:00 p.m. EST on November 21, 2006, and a written response to said request was due no later than 5:00 p.m. EST today, November 22, 2006.

3. Announcements

Mr. Gee reiterated to the entire panel the severity of breaching anything contained within the Confidentiality Agreements which have been signed by each member. We were advised that any individual who chooses to violate the terms of the Confidentiality Agreement and/or the requests of Mr. Gee in that regard, will definitely be facing litigation.

Mr. Gee announced that Mr. Rufus Paul Harris failed to respond to the Official Request of the Shareholder Committee. No response was received either by phone, fax, mail or e-mail within the specified time allotted for said response.

The Committee was further advised that Mr. Rufus Paul Harris, to date, has failed to submit the PR which was prepared by the Shareholder Committee and submitted to him for delivery to the wire service on November 19, 2006.

The Committee was further advised that Mr. Rufus Paul Harris had not been forthcoming regarding specific sums of money required to move the corporation forward. Specifically, Mr. Rufus Paul Harris, in a previous meeting with the Committee, assured the Committee that the rumors of the corporation being in need of $200,000.00 for attorneys’ fees were false; he further assured the Committee that the funds were available and we had no worries. Mr. Harris indicated that the rumors we were hearing were expected, as he had dropped erroneous information intentionally to certain parties, knowing it would be repeated.

The Committee was further advised that the sum of $200,000.00 is, in fact, required at this time. However, that sum of money is required for the purpose of a swift transaction fee to draw down on a bond. Other bank fees will incur after such time that the bond is drawn down on, but those fees can be distributed from the funds realized from the bond;

The Committee was further advised that Conversion Solutions Holdings, Corp. is not presently represented by legal counsel.

The Committee was further advised that many of the assets situated in Georgia, including the livestock situated on the ranch property at 150 Moore Road in Kingston, Georgia, are probably the property of the CSHD shareholders.

The Committee was further advised that the total sum in the bank account of Conversion Solutions Holdings, Corp. is approximately $16,000.00.

The Committee was further advised that we have a candidate with
twenty-four years experience in bonds, who is willing to come on as an officer of the company. The position would probably be that of COO.

The Committee was further advised that the bonds in question are legitimate. It is probable that the working relationship between Mr. Harris and the bond owners has suffered irreparable damage, and those relationships will have to be established with the bond owners and our new CEO. Also, we will be able to acquire brand-new bonds without any problem.

The Committee was further advised that the company has JVs ready to be funded.

The Committee was further advised that Mr. James A. Nofi did not complete an internal audit; in addition, he is still owed money by the company.

The Committee was further advised that other individuals are owed money by the company.

The Committee was further advised that no sum of money has been set aside in escrow for the shareholders, as had been previously indicated by Mr. Harris.

4. Topics of Discussion

• The refusal of Mr. Rufus Paul Harris to communicate with the Shareholder Committee and the effects thereof;

• The need to rescind our initial offer to Mr. Harris whereby he was offered to stay on in some other capacity;

• Whether or not to reconsider allowing Mr. Harris to stay on with the company in the event he were to approach us with sincere apologies and plausible explanations;

• To conduct a formal vote, via notarized commitments from shareholders, for the purposes of (1) Removing Rufus Paul Harris as CEO and Chairman of the Board of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. and replacing him with John Arlitt; (2) Appointing Randy Moseley as CFO; and any and all other matters at hand requiring immediate attention;

• The fact that time is of the essence and that we are faced with an incredible number of problems that need to be addressed immediately. We acknowledged our thanks to Mr. Arlitt for his willingness to walk into such an absolute mess, realizing fully that he will require extreme cooperation on the part of all;

• Possible ways to raise the $200,000.00 immediately. We were advised that anyone willing to contribute towards this goal would be providing a shareholder’s loan to the company;

• The immediate need to secure legal counsel. Immediately address the lawsuit currently pending in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia;

• The immediate need to bring all SEC filings up to date;

• The importance of working in compliance with the SEC and not against them;

• The need to replace the Transfer Agent immediately. It was suggested that we go back to Don at Integrity;

• The need to freeze the Transfer Agent from receiving any letters from any attorney for registered stock that can be sold under Regulation “S” from any foreign Country;

• The need to issue a Cease and Desist on Mr. Rufus Paul Harris, restricting him from discussing CSHD via any medium, including, but not limited to radio and internet. We were advised that the Cease and Desist could also include all of his family members and close relations and could restrict him from discussing CSHD privately as well;

• The need to seize all assets that are shown to belong to CSHD, including, but not limited to, any shares that Mr. Rufus Paul Harris may hold in the corporation, and the livestock located on the “ranch” at 150 Moore Road, Kingston, Georgia;

• The need to have all information associated with CSHD, including, but not limited to all files, bank accounts and bank account information, any and all passcodes to Euroclear, all information stored on any computer hard-drive, disk, thumb-drive or any other means of data storage, currently in the possession of Mr. Rufus Paul Harris, turned over immediately;

• Discussion on benefits of relocating the corporate office to Dallas, Texas;

• Expected behavior of any individual on the Committee who is to post on any message board, including, but not limited to: PalTalk, HSM, iHub or *********. We were warned by Mr. Gee as follows: “First off, I’ll tell you, you are going to be doing it at your own risk. So other than ‘Hi,’ ‘How are you?’ and ‘How’s the weather?’, if you say anymore than that, then you’re opening yourself up for something against you.”;


• All members were asked to e-mail Mr. Gee with ideas pertaining to immediate priorities. We discussed the amount of work to be done, and how imperative it is that nothing is overlooked. It was decided that it will be more efficient for Mr. Gee to collect individual thoughts from everyone and compile them into an organized time chart from his end;

• Vote Tally A verbal tally was taken during the meeting of all shareholders committed to voting on all issues discussed. After a final count, it was determined that the Shareholder Committee represented more than the 51% majority required. Discussions were held on the importance of making these votes formal. In that regard, it was decided that all commitments would be made by each individual signing an official commitment, in the presence of a Notary Public, and returning it promptly to Mr. James Gee, Chairman of the Shareholder Committee.


5. Key Decisions

• All voting on immediate issues is to be accomplished in a formal manner. To accomplish this, all shareholders who have pledged their shares to these votes will be required to return to Committee Chairman Gee a signed, notarized copy of their commitment. Said commitments will be attached to these Minutes as evidence thereof.

• Immediate removal of Mr. Rufus Paul Harris, not only as CEO of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp., but also as Chairman of the Board, and to completely sever all relationships between Mr. Rufus Paul Harris and the corporation.

• Appoint Mr. John Arlitt as CEO and Chairman of the Board of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

• Appoint Mr. Randy Moseley as CFO of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.

• Immediately PR the appointments of Mr. Arlitt and Mr. Moseley.

• File an 8K declaring the removal of Mr. Harris and the appointments of Mr. Arlitt and Mr. Moseley.

• Raise a minimum of $200,000.00 for the purpose of paying the swift transfer fees required to draw down on a bond.

• Retain a law firm to represent Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. in the pending litigation against it in the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia, Atlanta Division.

• Bring all filings current with the SEC.
.
• Draw down on the bond.

• Begin funding JVs as soon as practical.


6. Adjournment

The meeting was adjourned at approximately 5:45 p.m., CST on Wednesday, November 22, 2006.
 
Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
[QUOTE=dogman]WE ASKED RUFUS TO PR THIS SO WE COULD DO WHAT HE ASKED BUT HE NEVER DID. WE GAVE HIM PLENTY OF TIME AND WAS TOLD 3 TIMES IT WOULD BE OUT THE FOLLOWING DAY.

As Chairman of the CSHD Shareholders Committee I respectfully request for you to PR the following:

KENNESAW, Ga., Nov. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following:

CSHD would like to announce that James Gee has been appointed as Chairman of the CSHD Shareholder Committee by CEO and Chairman of the Board Rufus Paul Harris. During an emergency shareholder committee conference call on Nov. 18 the board of directors of the shareholder committee were appointed for a temporary service period of 30 days. The board members are Patrick Cluney, with 30 years marketing and sales experience and John L Arlitt, Chairman and CEO of Arlitt Financial Corp. These two members were selected by their experience in the financial markets and by their abilities to act on current company issues.

"Due to the immediate business required by the Shareholders Committee, I felt the necessity to appoint the other two members of the shareholders committee on a temporary basis for a period of 30 days. Details of a formal democratic voting process will be announced in the near future. Over the next two days we are updating the web page www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com. By November 21, 2006 we will have a registration page for shareholders who would like to be on the committee. We will collect this information until November 24, 2006 at 5.00pm est." stated James Gee Chairman of the CSHD Shareholders Committee[/QUOTE]
 
Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
[QUOTE=dogman]CSHD SHAREHOLDER COMMITTEE
OFFICIAL REQUEST

It is the unanimous opinion of the members of The Shareholders Committee that if this stock is continues to trade on the Grey Market for any extended period of time, many of the loyal shareholders you created through representations you made to them will be damaged beyond repair. As you undoubtedly know, there are many people out there suffering financially and upset that their investment in CSHD has plummeted. Understandably, their belief in you and this company has been shaken by the events of the last several months. Quite frankly, they believe that you have let them down. They also struggle to see the light at the end of this tunnel. For these reasons, we believe that immediate action by you is required to provide hope to those shareholders who have stood by you and this company through the recent storm. To that end, and as a way of demonstrating your conviction to an unprecedented loyal shareholder base, The Shareholder Committee hereby formally request that you take immediate action in causing one of the following to occur:

1. that CSHD be rightfully returned to the OTCBB

2. CSHD pay a .30 dividend pre 6:1 for all shareholders

In addition, The Shareholders Committee demands immediate clarification and answers on the following issues:

1. Is the reason that the 10Q was not filed has more to do with the fact that we do not currently have a CFO and thus, would not be in SOX Compliance? If this is not the case, we would like an explanation as to why it would not be in the best interest of the company to trade on the OTCBB for two weeks prior to the stock being halted.

2. Has CSHD actually retained an attorney to represent the company in the SEC case? If so, we hereby request a copy of the executed fee contract. If CSHD has not yet retained an attorney to represent the company in the SEC case, we hereby request that an attorney be retained within the next 24 hours,and that a copy of the executed fee contract be provided to the committee. Additionally, if an attorney has not been retained, we would request verification as to the source of funds CSHD has or will make available to retain the attorney for the company.

3. Will the attorney that you have retained (or will retain in the next 24 hours) write the necessary opinion letter to file the 15c211? If not, we would request a written explanation from the attorney as to why he or she is unwilling or unable to prepare such an opinion letter.

4. What is the status of the internal investigation performed by Attorney James A. Nofi? If Mr. Nofi’s investigation has been completed, we would request that the results of his investigation be documented and provided to the committee within the next seven (7) days.

We further believe that The Shareholder Committee needs more frequent and more effective communication with you, as you are currently the sole member of the board and director of the company.

We would hereby request that a Press Release be given announcing the three board members of The Shareholder Committee. We feel as if we are working in an unofficial capacity at this time. We believe that there are matters that we need to act on immediately, and by doing so without such a Press Release would not be in the best interest of the shareholders.
If you accept the unanimous recommendation of The Shareholders Committee in this regard, we believe an immediate Press Release to that effect would be most prudent.

We request a conference call today, November 21, 2006 before 10:00pm EST. Please confirm this via an email to James Gee, Chairman at [email]dogmando*hotmail.com[/email].

The Shareholder Committee requests a response by 5:00pm EST, November 22, 2006.

Please understand that while we, The Shareholders Committee, remain steadfast in our belief of you and all of the principles on which this company is based, we can no longer remain idle while the shareholder base continues to deteriorate. It is in this spirit that the above requests are made.

Respectfully,


James Gee
Chairman
CSHD Shareholder Committee[/QUOTE]
 
Posted by unclerudy on :
 
Very interesting. My only question is under what right did the shareholders committee have any authority to make ANY of these decisions. Was is a majority of shares owned? Was it on authority from the BODs or the CEO? Who gave them the legal right to do all of this?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Agreed unclerudy....did they have grounds to make these demands? I dont believe so personally.

Its just a volley back and forth.......mudslinging at its best, or worst in this case
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Wow...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by unclerudy:
Very interesting. My only question is under what right did the shareholders committee have any authority to make ANY of these decisions. Was is a majority of shares owned? Was it on authority from the BODs or the CEO? Who gave them the legal right to do all of this?

That's the Million Dollar question, uncle rudy. THe more I read, the more I thought of The Caine Mutiny and Mutiny on the Bounty. Seems that some people got a bit power crazy. I saw a lot of threats being tossed around as well. It was almost as if they were making sure that the rest of the Shareholders would not find out what they were planning.

All I can say is HMMM.

Wally
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
In the conference call minutes, who was actually advising the committee on all of this stuff? I'm assuming it was James Gee. Seems like an easy way to promote your own agenda!
 
Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
jenna, check pm's

PM system needs some improvements here IMO
 
Posted by milliam on :
 
• The need to replace the Transfer Agent immediately. It was suggested that we go back to Don at Integrity

When did we ever leave Integrity???
 
Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
Everything that has been done with this company has been busch league. In my opinion if this was a real deal company it shouldn't have been brought public until it was established and operating. It really doesn't seem like shareholder money was needed to get this off the ground.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Portman?
Can you respond to any of this stuff being posted about the SHC?
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by justmakinmoney:
Everything that has been done with this company has been busch league. In my opinion if this was a real deal company it shouldn't have been brought public until it was established and operating. It really doesn't seem like shareholder money was needed to get this off the ground.

you can say that about most of the penny stocks...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by justmakinmoney:
Everything that has been done with this company has been busch league. In my opinion if this was a real deal company it shouldn't have been brought public until it was established and operating. It really doesn't seem like shareholder money was needed to get this off the ground.

That concerns me a little.....where is the money from the initial offering.....I may just not be understanding that...can anyone help me out with this?
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Jenna .... I believe that you will get that answer from the FBI in a little while.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Hey dad.....
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Every time you say that it cracks me up for some reason. Look at where our society has gone that you can run into your dad on an internet message board [Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey dad.....


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
Every time you say that it cracks me up for some reason. Look at where our society has gone that you can run into your dad on an internet message board [Smile]

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Hey dad.....


I know funny isn't it? [Big Grin]
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
This is from the other site. Interesting from TonySaprano (was a member of the SHC till he quit)
Quote:
Originally Posted by dogman
WE ASKED RUFUS TO PR THIS SO WE COULD DO WHAT HE ASKED BUT HE NEVER DID. WE GAVE HIM PLENTY OF TIME AND WAS TOLD 3 TIMES IT WOULD BE OUT THE FOLLOWING DAY.

As Chairman of the CSHD Shareholders Committee I respectfully request for you to PR the following:

KENNESAW, Ga., Nov. 19 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces the following:

CSHD would like to announce that James Gee has been appointed as Chairman of the CSHD Shareholder Committee by CEO and Chairman of the Board Rufus Paul Harris. During an emergency shareholder committee conference call on Nov. 18 the board of directors of the shareholder committee were appointed for a temporary service period of 30 days. The board members are Patrick Cluney, with 30 years marketing and sales experience and John L Arlitt, Chairman and CEO of Arlitt Financial Corp. These two members were selected by their experience in the financial markets and by their abilities to act on current company issues.

"Due to the immediate business required by the Shareholders Committee, I felt the necessity to appoint the other two members of the shareholders committee on a temporary basis for a period of 30 days. Details of a formal democratic voting process will be announced in the near future. Over the next two days we are updating the web page www.cshdshareholdercommittee.com. By November 21, 2006 we will have a registration page for shareholders who would like to be on the committee. We will collect this information until November 24, 2006 at 5.00pm est." stated James Gee Chairman of the CSHD Shareholders Committee


This is Tony"s reply

I hope this answers most of everyone's questions about why the SHC was never formally announced. Rufus was given the PR and the intent was to follow through within 30 days to fulfill each of the original mandates of the SHC, including the selection of candidates for the BOD. Since Rufus did not release the PR and offered no reason for failing to do so, the SHC group was stuck without the ability to do the tasks at hand and started focusing on the basic task of returning the stock to the OTCBB, which John Arlitt had been trying to do BEFORE the SHC formation but had been unable to get Rufus to cooperate.

Rufus agreed to follow through on two things at the end of the first conference call, both of which were posted in the minutes on the SHC website:
1. Release the PR with the names of the temporary SHC members
2. Obtain the Attorney's letter for the return of the stock to the OTCBB within a week via a committed MM who would support the share price for a minimum of 30 days at about $2 a share.

He failed to honor either obligation. Those are the facts, you can speculate all you want, but the facts are undeniable.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
I still have a problem with the HSC thinking that they had the authority to mandate ANYTHING. According to my recollection they were formed to bring proposals of the shareholders to the BOD, who would then discuss it and make the decisions. It just seems that once they formed the thought they ran the company. IMO, they did not have this authority and especially didn't have the authority to make decisions for share holders who never had the opportunity to vote them into power in the first place. I didn't like the actions then for the exact reasons that are comming out now.

I mean what is Tony's or James Gee's background that would allow them to make business determinations for the Corporation? Had they already been given access to all the company records and gone over them in order to be informed enough to make a decision? Had they spoke to legal counsel and made sure what they were asking and doing was legal? Whether Rufus was making the wrong moves or not isn't relative. Since, IMO, the SHC had neither the right nor the foundation to demand and then remove the in essence the Board of Directors since Rufus was he onlyt Board member at the time.


Wally
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
FROM RPH

From: Arlitt Financial Corporation <arlittrealtycorp*dccnet.com>
[ add to contacts ]

To: harris*cshd.us
Cc:
Date: Friday, November 17, 2006 07:26 pm
Subject: Urgent Rufus please call me ASAP

Rufus,

I have been spending the last few days trying to get things set up with the
market maker that is ready to start immediately to put this back on the
Bulletin Board. It is the same one that I believe you know about and may
have been in touch with, Burt Arnold. I have been in constant communication
with him and he already has the 15c-211 ready to go but I need to hear from
you as soon as possible to complete the setup. He will open the market
where it should be and will support it. Other mm's will have to "piggyback"
on him and have no choice because his firm will continue to support. I need
to get something to him by the latest 6pm today so I need to hear from you
to complete this then first thing Monday pre-market it will begin.

I have already discussed this with Ben Stanley numerous times and he said you would call me back.

You can call me at: 877-527-****
or: 604-948-****

John L. Arlitt, President/CEO
Arlitt Financial Corporation


and then there was this

From: Arlitt Financial Corporation <arlittrealtycorp*dccnet.com>
[ add to contacts ]

To: Rufus Paul Harris <harris*cshd.us>
Cc:
Date: Sunday, November 19, 2006 11:48 am
Subject: Re: Urgent Rufus please call me ASAP

Rufus,

We have discussed at length yesterday and everyone in the shareholders committee agreed on behalf of all the shareholders to implement a market maker immediately. The letter detailing this has been prepared by us and forwarded to you by James Gee, and I also enclose a copy of the same here.


November 19, 2006

Rufus Harris

The CSHD Shareholder Committee with a 100% vote, requests that we immediately return to the OTCBB. We have been in contact with the market maker Burt Martin Arnold Securities Inc, 608 Silver Spur Road Ste 100, Rolling Hills Estates, California 90274. Their MM symbol is BMAS. We understand that all that is required for them to file the 15C-211 to rightfully return CSHD to the OTCBB is as follows:

1. An Attorney Opinion letter identifying the bonds in question with the SEC and the relationship with the Deutche Bank is true and stated as such in the Company press releases and filings.

2. A letter from the company stating that we have addressed all of the issues with the SEC and the Federal Court.

Burt Martin will have an inventory of stock that will not be used against short selling of our stock. They will support the stock price and not allow short selling of the stock. By implementing BMAS as market maker immediately we prevent the possibility of any unfriendly Market Maker from filing a 15c-211 preventing our friendly Market Maker from being able to control the market. In Essence every other Market Maker will have no choice but to piggyback off of BMAS as the lead Market Maker.

We feel that implementing Burt Martin Arnold Securities as stated above is the top priority for the company at the current time. We request that this be handled by 5:00pm EST day on November 19, 2006. Please contact me via email and by phone at 469-853-****. Thank you for your response in advance.


Sincerely,

James Gee

Chairman

CSHD Shareholder Committee.


Rufus,

Thank you for responding back and also thank you for the teleconference meeting. I believe we can make everything work in the best interests of the company and the shareholders. If you would please call me we can talk and I can give you the details of what is needed and then we can move forward as quickly as possible. I will be standing by for your call. Thank you.

Toll free: 877-527-****
604-948-****
604-839-**** mobile

John L. Arlitt, President/CEO
Arlitt Financial Corporation
----- Original Message -----
From: Rufus Paul Harris
To: Arlitt Financial Corporation
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: Urgent Rufus please call me ASAP


Good Job and Thank You for your hard work

What do you need to move forward?

I will provide ASAP.

Rufus Paul Harris
Chief Executive Officer
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Harris*cshd.us


This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.


and there was this

more to follow
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
MORE FROM RPH


Letter Number 252455770-11192006-SCR

To: James Gee
Chairman
Share Holders Committee


From: Rufus Paul Harris
Chief Executive Officer
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp


Subject: Written Response to Committee Recommendation


The corporation’s current court status prevents the recommendation of the shareholder committee.


Your recommendations will be addressed on Monday, November 20, 2006 during a 12:00 Noon meeting with a potential Washington DC Law Firm.


Thank you for the committee’s cooperation; the return of the Corporation to the OTCBB will hold 1st priority upon status change of the corporation with the Federal Court.


I will respond with the time frame fulfillment of your request as soon as possible.


-S- Rufus Paul Harris
Chief Executive Officer


There are alot more but I think this will do for now
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
AND THIS FROM RPH


Proof of reciept

From: Rufus Paul Harris <harris*cshd.us>
[ add to contacts ]

To: Dogman do <dogmando*hotmail.com>
Cc:
Date: Sunday, November 19, 2006 10:39 pm
Subject: Re: Immediate Shareholder Committee Request

Please see the attachement.


Rufus Paul Harris
Chief Executive Officer
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Harris*cshd.us


This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system.

Text version of this message. (646B)
committee response.doc (70KB)

After the above, the only communications from the named parties was demanding or else type communications, which I responded to, with a "Kiss my ars"
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
That's what I take out of this whole thing. To me, reading the shareholder "demands" I felt like I was reading the writing of a teenager who was trying to feel more important than he was, but really didn't understand what he was getting in to.

This is the part that stick with me the most "we hereby request that an attorney be retained within the next 24 hours,and that a copy of the executed fee contract be provided to the committee." I'd imagine that any reputable lawyer would be hard to get a meeting with in less than 24 hours, much less have time to review the situation and decide to take on the situation.

Reeks to me of a little kid who tries to be tough after another kid knocked his lollipop out of his hand "You better replace my lollipop, and do it in the next 5 seconds or you're in big trouble!" Regardless of the fact that 1) it would be impossible to do so, and 2) wtf is the kid going to do about it.

Definitely seems like a case of thining they had more power than they really had.

I just picture some shareholders sending a letter like that to like Bill Gates, and having him just laughing hysterically with his buddies about it (assuming Bill Gates has any friends).

Just another act in this crazy soap opera.

quote:
Originally posted by wallymac:
I still have a problem with the HSC thinking that they had the authority to mandate ANYTHING. According to my recollection they were formed to bring proposals of the shareholders to the BOD, who would then discuss it and make the decisions. It just seems that once they formed the thought they ran the company. IMO, they did not have this authority and especially didn't have the authority to make decisions for share holders who never had the opportunity to vote them into power in the first place. I didn't like the actions then for the exact reasons that are comming out now.

I mean what is Tony's or James Gee's background that would allow them to make business determinations for the Corporation? Had they already been given access to all the company records and gone over them in order to be informed enough to make a decision? Had they spoke to legal counsel and made sure what they were asking and doing was legal? Whether Rufus was making the wrong moves or not isn't relative. Since, IMO, the SHC had neither the right nor the foundation to demand and then remove the in essence the Board of Directors since Rufus was he onlyt Board member at the time.


Wally


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I don't think it was cool for anyone to print people's phone numbers....I think that is very disrespectful & people should get permission...

They also printed Rufus' address I believe, not cool!!
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
This is stupid! I was not aware that a SHC could DEMAND anything...I thought it was a way of "one voice" comminicating to the company...Yet? a Few decide to completely take over and make demands on "our behalf"? Just Stupid!

AND? How Arlitt or the shareholders would think that a lawyer would sign that the bonds are real or even a letter stating that ALL answers were made to the SEC...they weren't and still aren't...so the MM thing was a rather wasted attempt...I don't see how Rufus could supply them with those things...that would have been a lie...IMO

Jenna? those numbers and addresses have been displayed many times...nothing new in this game...
 
Posted by ClayN on :
 
Jenna I edited my post... If you see anything I missed let me know and I will edit it out. I just copied what RPH had said. And besides John A. is our supposed CEO so I didn't think it was a problem for us to finally see some sort of contact info for him...
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
This is stupid! I was not aware that a SHC could DEMAND anything...I thought it was a way of "one voice" comminicating to the company...Yet? a Few decide to completely take over and make demands on "our behalf"? Just Stupid!

AND? How Arlitt or the shareholders would think that a lawyer would sign that the bonds are real or even a letter stating that ALL answers were made to the SEC...they weren't and still aren't...so the MM thing was a rather wasted attempt...I don't see how Rufus could supply them with those things...that would have been a lie...IMO

Jenna? those numbers and addresses have been displayed many times...nothing new in this game...

Exactly. If RPH had gone along with them the company would have been shut down. My suspicions were proven with those communications. During my research I knew that an MM would need those types of assurances prior to being able to file a 15c211. None of the items requested by the MM were available then and are still not available. That is why we trade on the Gray Sheets. What this does is show me that Rufus was protecting the company and the shareholders whereas the SHC led by Arlitt were not looking at any of the ramifications only the short term possibility of disposing of shares.

The part that really bugs me is JA stating that the MM would have an inventory of shares to trade that could not be shorted. Where were these shares comming from?

Another HMM.

Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Jenna I edited my post... If you see anything I missed let me know and I will edit it out. I just copied what RPH had said. And besides John A. is our supposed CEO so I didn't think it was a problem for us to finally see some sort of contact info for him...

Clay - I didn't mean you - I'm sorry....I just think about if someone did that to me - how would I feel.....

There have been some people that have recieved death threats....so I worry....
 
Posted by Slimpickens on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Jenna I edited my post... If you see anything I missed let me know and I will edit it out. I just copied what RPH had said. And besides John A. is our supposed CEO so I didn't think it was a problem for us to finally see some sort of contact info for him...

Clay - I didn't mean you - I'm sorry....I just think about if someone did that to me - how would I feel.....

There have been some people that have recieved death threats....so I worry....

thay should all have their names numbers and addresses posted b/c they are all crooks, screw'um
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
PPS? .20?! On Friday? On the Greys? WTH?
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
You worry too much. I get death threats all the time. Usually from my wife...

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Jenna I edited my post... If you see anything I missed let me know and I will edit it out. I just copied what RPH had said. And besides John A. is our supposed CEO so I didn't think it was a problem for us to finally see some sort of contact info for him...

Clay - I didn't mean you - I'm sorry....I just think about if someone did that to me - how would I feel.....

There have been some people that have recieved death threats....so I worry....


 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
PCola...LOL!
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
Originally Posted by legalnoob
After reading over the merger agreement and bylaws of CSHD, I have noticed the following significant discrepancies in the vote to remove RPH as Director and CEO of CSHD. Be advised that this analysis assumes that the merger agreement has not been cancelled (there is no evidence that it has, as there are no filings, etc. noticing the cancellation of the merger).

I will begin with a few excerpts from the merger agreement and bylaws to lay a foundation for my hypothesis, as follows:

This cites to the merger agreement in the form 8-k/a filed 9/29/06 and attached to the 10ksba filed 10/19/06 (pertinent provisions in bold).

D. Articles of Incorporation, Bylaws and Charters.

The Articles of Incorporation (Exhibit E) of CVSU in effect at the Effective Time of the Merger shall be the Articles of Incorporation of the Surviving Corporation until further amended in accordance with applicable law. The Bylaws (Exhibit F) of CVSU in effect at such Effective Time shall be the Bylaws of the Surviving Corporation until further amended in accordance with applicable law. The Charters (Exhibit G) of CVSU in effect at such Effective Time shall be the Charters of the Surviving Corporation until further amended in accordance with applicable law.

This quotes the controlling bylaws of CSHD attached to the 10ksba filed 10/19/06 (pertinent provisions in bold).

Section 8. RESIGNATIONAND REMOVAL: Any director may resign at any time by giving notice to another Board member, the President or the Secretary of the corporation. Unless otherwise specified in such written notice, such resignation shall take effect upon receipt thereof by the Board or by such officer and the acceptance of such resignation shall not be necessary to make it effective. Any director may be removed with or without cause at any time by the affirmative vote of shareholders holding of record in the aggregate at least a majority of the outstanding shares of the corporation at a special meeting of the shareholders called for that purpose, and may be removed for cause by action of the Board.

Section 4. SPECIAL MEETINGS: The President, or the Board of Directors may call special meetings of the stockholders at any time, or stockholders entitled to cast at least one-fifth of the votes, which all stockholders are entitled to cast at the particular meeting. At any time, upon written request of any person or persons who have duly called a special meeting, it shall be the duty of the Secretary to fix the date of the meeting, to be held not more than sixty days after receipt of the request, and to give due notice thereof. If the Secretary shall neglect or refuse to fix the date of the meeting and give notice thereof, the person or persons calling the meeting may do so. Business transacted at all special meetings shall be confined to the objects stated in the call and matters germane thereto, unless all stockholders entitled to vote are present and consent.

Written notice of a special meeting of stockholders stating the time and place and object thereof, shall be given to each stockholder entitled to vote thereat at least ten days before such meeting! Unless a greater period of notice is required by statute in a particular case.

...

Section 7. NOTICE OF MEETINGS: Whenever stockholders are required or permitted to take any action at a meeting, a written notice of the meeting shall be given which shall state the place, date and hour of the meeting, and, in the case of a special meeting, the purpose or purposes for which the meeting is called.

Unless otherwise provided by law, written notice of any meeting shall be given not less than ten nor more than sixty days before the date of the meeting to each stockholder entitled to vote at such meeting.

THE FOLLOWING ARE MY QUESTIONS:

Since, at the time of his removal, RPH was the only officer and director of CSHD, what shareholders with at least 20% of the voting stock of CSHD called the special meeting of the shareholders to remove RPH as director and CEO?

Did any shareholder, much less all shareholders entitled to vote, receive written notice of the special meeting of the shareholders wherein a vote was cast to remove RPH as Director and CEO of CSHD? If so, did you receive notice of the time, date, and subject matter of the special meeting?

Was the meeting scheduled at least 60 days after the request of the shareholders with at least 20% of the voting stock of CSHD?

In my lay opinion, if any of the above requirements were not met the vote that removed RPH was a nullity (regardless of whether you believe a majority vote was cast to remove RPH). Without a properly called special meeting of the shareholders, there cannot be a proper vote. RPH = sole director and CEO of CSHD.

This is all IMO of course. I would encourage you to review the merger agreement and bylaws and formulate your own informed opinion.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Rufus made it clear he did NOT want CSHD trading under the circumstances we were facing in November. So just because a group of people calling themselves a SHC makes demands of Rufus i really dont see why he has to respond to them...at all!

Its funny all of this stuff is coming out now and not 2 months ago when we ALL wanted to know what was going on. It might have held some weight back then but it means nothing to me now
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
WTH? I likey the PPS.....
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by PCola77:
You worry too much. I get death threats all the time. Usually from my wife...

quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:
Originally posted by ClayN:
Jenna I edited my post... If you see anything I missed let me know and I will edit it out. I just copied what RPH had said. And besides John A. is our supposed CEO so I didn't think it was a problem for us to finally see some sort of contact info for him...

Clay - I didn't mean you - I'm sorry....I just think about if someone did that to me - how would I feel.....

There have been some people that have recieved death threats....so I worry....


Good to see you still have you sense of humor. I still have mine too but sometimes I'm the only one laughing. Still working on it though.

Wally
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
I think RPH is the real father of Anna Nicole Smith's daughter.
 
Posted by new2stocks on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
I think RPH is the real father of Anna Nicole Smith's daughter.

[Eek!] [Eek!]
 
Posted by PCola77 on :
 
Rufus before each SPR interview:

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Posted by justmakinmoney on :
 
Dogman seems to believe that ben stanley is driving a Bentley. I wonder if there is any truth to that.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Originally posted by Jenna
That concerns me a little.....where is the money from the initial offering.....I may just not be understanding that...can anyone help me out with this?


Jenna –
Conversions solutions was attempting to avoid the gov. fees, legal costs, and financial obligations (stock) which would need to be banks or other financial institutions when they did the reverse merger with FHAL.
Thus there never was and IPO (where a co. would gain $ (by selling shares) at a potentially undervalued price. They wanted to avoid this route. So there never was ‘money’ from an IPO. I have speculated however that RPH was attempting to do something similar.

I believe he had/has major attends in the form of bond even if they are secured dept. I don’t think it was ever his plan to draw down from those bonds however which is why he was attracted to FHAL in the first place. (Some people are assuming the NSS began after or around the merger agreement but it is highly likely that FHAL was grossly sold short long before this point in time and the death spiral then just continued.) IMO, his plan was to trap the shorts, force them to cover, and then sell a portion of the co. stock to supporters, financial institution, etc. in effect an IPO but much later in the game after we were trading over $15/share. (Remember the move to NASDAQ w/ MM, broker, and financial institution support talk?) that’s is where this would have been like an IPO.

Actually it is safe to say “the money” when to the hedge fund and anyone on the short side of the play, for now! For example, at $4/share the co. had a real market cap. (was really worth, $4 x number of shares owned by the co. or its BOD) probably somewhere between $300,000,000 and $500,000,000 in stock alone, excluding the value of the bonds, cash on hand, other accounts, etc. so you see it was real money if some stock had been sold at those levels to support the growth of the company and its Jv’s. where the stock is trading now we “appear” to at least temporarily have an incredibly small market cap and very low co. value (at least in the value of our stock) Only RPH knows what the other assets are worth do to the invalid 10K.

At this point I find it interesting how many people still bash the stock or tell shareholders like myself to forget about this and “move on.” It is almost as if many still need to cover their short positions and may have been unable to on the grays or w such a low daily volume. We are all in several other positions and some like myself only lost profits. If I sold now I would still have made about $7k on this trade but in my mind it still doesn’t make since to yet. We never have had it confirmed what the assets are. Legal charges for Fraud have not been brought against RPH yet. JA is attempting to secure other financing. And the court case will commence eventually. I say we already hit bottom and were looking up from here even if its slow going.

PS. If the SEC recovers funds from the hedge fund when all this is said and done if will have to return most of this money to the shareholders of record or the co. itself if it is still functioning. That coupled with even a remotely favorable ruling and were are off to the races again and it will have been worth the wait.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Today at 5:02pm, Rufus Paul Harris wrote:
[quote author=jeanlouise board=general thread=1170892041 post=1171058500]

All of the above


Purely hypothetical, but:

A group of investors seeks to obtain their certificates in a company that is reportedly heavily naked shorted. However, to their surprise not a single person in this group is able to obtain certs from their broker. In casual conversation they realize that they are all using the same broker. They band together and threaten suit against the broker if it cannot deliver the certs, giving the broker ample additional time to deliver. At the end of the deadline, the broker fails to deliver the certs and makes a lucrative offer of settlement. The investors wish to discuss the FTDs, however, the settlement included a confidentiality and nondisclosure agreement.

This broker might be in a bit of a bind if the FTD/naked short position was revealed for what it truly is. Wouldn't this broker stop at nothing to prevent such an occurrence.

Now, knowing the power that the brokers, MMs, hedge funds, ect. wield in Congress and the regulatory agencies, what are the odds CSHD is powerful enough to face such an enemy. The level of backing CSHD would require to even fathom such a battle would boggle the mind IMO.

Your thoughts?


Legal, that is what I have thought for quite sometime now.

Months ago, some on the other thread were saying it would "blow our minds" if we actually knew who we were chatting with online.

Add Rufus' non wavering, well thought out plan he has stated from the begining, and it all starts to come together.

FHAL IMO was not an accident. It was by design.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
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Who is at fault? (vote)


Looking at AJW, Corey Ribotsky, Michael Alexexandra, Dave Perley, James Gee is only the beginning of the problem.

We have an environment where the laws set only aide the Crooks.

The Regulation Show and the Repo Agreements where the shares are loaned out over and over again and not accounted for on the books or ever enforced to shore up; ultimately, allowing infinite shares till a co. goes under.

The Financing Agreements that are allowed which in essence are failure from the get go.

The SEC who's solution is to Halt Companies until they Self Destruct and then the Big Money walks away with their pockets full.

The Congress, and Representatives of States who sit there and look the other way.

The offshore Hedge Funds who are allowed to Short and Naked Short OTCBB and Pink Sheet stocks into oblivion while the individual investor is unable to.

The brokerage houses that are allowed to sell more shares than are available in their BULK CERT.

The Transfer Agent who changes the float and no enforcement of the actions are in place. Why establish an Authorized Shares an Outstanding Shares if in essence that's not what exists in the market.

The Message Boards and ****s which are in essence controlled by the Pump and Dump, Mods, and Owners themselves.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 3403:
I think RPH is the real father of Anna Nicole Smith's daughter.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
TheCon - thank you I think I'm beginning to see the big picture.....You are a breath of fresh air!!! [Wink]
 
Posted by luvforever on :
 
oh my gosh we rich!!! .20 cents darn I thought it said $20.00 ~LOL j/k [Smile]
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by justmakinmoney:
Dogman seems to believe that ben stanley is driving a Bentley. I wonder if there is any truth to that.

Dogman probably drives one.. he was one of the biggest pumpers for CSHD that disappeared when sh* hit the fan. Prolly sittin on a big ol wad of cash now.
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
CAT –

Can you refresh my memory on Travis TeSelle, the person who responded to me from CEOTA. I remember he had an extensive co. website you found and a background in Comp. Programming. I wonder if his name comes up on the nobo list or anywhere else as the investigation continues. I still have his original e mail saved. Wonder who was responding to me if CEOTA was a fake .
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
He is not on the Oct.3 NOBO list. I just checked. That is the only list I have. I have had most of my shares since May when we were trading as FHAL and I not on it either. Ben said many of us would be on the Oct.16th list which I have never seen.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by luvforever:
oh my gosh we rich!!! .20 cents darn I thought it said $20.00 ~LOL j/k [Smile]

Mine says .13
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
I saw the .20 also. I wonder if it was a fat finger for someone wanting it at .12 or someone actually wanted it was willing to pay .20?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
CAT –

Can you refresh my memory on Travis TeSelle, the person who responded to me from CEOTA. I remember he had an extensive co. website you found and a background in Comp. Programming. I wonder if his name comes up on the nobo list or anywhere else as the investigation continues. I still have his original e mail saved. Wonder who was responding to me if CEOTA was a fake .

I dont recall DDing that name but if i did the results are saved at home. I'll try to look into it later. I would be surprised if he used his real name in the CEOTA emails though.....knowing what we know now.
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Thecon....here is Travis on a filing with Randy Moseley. This might be the DD that was originally found on Travis, im not sure.

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2003/02/25/0001010549-03-000063/Section2.asp

And it looks like the company he is "connected to" is....Tensor Information Systems

Did you find more "dots" or were you just going through old stuff?
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
I wonder if Rufus ever expected this Conversion solutions to ever even make any money. Ever since he got called out on the bonds all he talks about is someone else is liable for the share value and having to make good on them. I haven't heard a word from him on why he didn't make this business work. At least not the part he was supposed to be responsible for.
 
Posted by a surfer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
I wonder if Rufus ever expected this Conversion solutions to ever even make any money. Ever since he got called out on the bonds all he talks about is someone else is liable for the share value and having to make good on them. I haven't heard a word from him on why he didn't make this business work. At least not the part he was supposed to be responsible for.

Good point Digi.... Its all finger pointing now.

I have a feeling it will be that way from here on out.

He said she said......
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
From Rufus' site:

Topic: What, When and Where? (Read 26,674 times)
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« Reply #1770 on Feb 9, 2007, 8:36pm »

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LATEST DOG SPIN:

Whats this spin about Rufus, shed some light, he (dog) already contridicted himself by saying there would be no proxy, no he is saying what will be in the proxy...spin, spin, spin....

Quote:
Originally Posted by dogman
"Let me shed some light on the proxy for those of you who dont know Rufus plan. Rufus is putting out the proxy for one reason and one reason only. This is his answer to the SEC. He believes that if the shareholders approve the proxy the SEC will let him off because his defense will be that this is what the shareholders wanted. Rufus said that this deal which is Bens deal in the first place is not that good. They want to give 51% ownership of the company to the company they plan to merge with. That is a bad idea because no one person should be able to decide anything. That is the purpose of a public company. They want to increase the outstanding shares to accomplish that and further dilute this stock. There is your glorious proxy that you are waiting for. Rufus' only chance to stay out of jail IMO is for the shareholders to approve the proxy. That is why Rufus is out in full force. I cant blame him but be honest with everyone Rufus. If he would have just come out and said "Hey guys the assets we thought were good arent and I need your help to stay out of jail" I would have appreciated that more than to prey on the shareholders once again to save his ass."


Shed some light Rufus, stop this spin before it gets out of hand...TIA


(Oh, btw, this contridiction was discovered by ThrashPie from HSM, not me...just giving credit where credit is due)
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
From Rufus' site:

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Dogmando has provided some numbers on that other message board...maybe James wants a cookie. Rufus gave us the OS on 10/16 in the 10KSB/A.


Mon, Oct 16, 20068:43 PM Conversion Solutions Holdings Files 10-KSB, Annual Report - PR Newswire


6:1 ANNOUNCEMENT compliant with Chapter 8 Title 1 Paragraph 213 (c) of Delaware General Corporation Law (DGCL from here forward.)
QUOTE:
The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71.
'The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78,' stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.


And from Nov. 2, 2006 Press Release we get these numbers given to us by Michael Alexander.

FROM 3:19 PM PRESS RELEASE:
WHEREAS, shareholders owning a 51+% majority of the 159,000,000 outstanding shares of the Company...
 
Posted by humble on :
 
In reference to Dogman's previous post concerning Rufus and his proxy intentions:

In that single paragraph several assumptions were used as fact for the argument that Rufus has wronged shareholders with the apparently pending shareholder presentation.

1) Rufus needs to be saved from going to jail.

2) The assets claimed by Rufus are not legitimate

Based on those assumptions, Dogman builds a political pitch. Next time I would prefer to see the links or DD to support the fact that Rufus is, in fact, in danger of going to jail and that the bonds are conclusively not real. That information would be definitively more useful for most of us than a speculative and misleading plea for support.

We've had enough of the power struggle. Actions are all that matter.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
Good morning,

This is IMO,

1.When this started with the SEC., everyone was saying "Rufus shouldn't talk so much"

2.Now that he is under a gag order and is being careful on what he says, everyone is upset because he isn't talking enough.

I'm not saying who's right or wrong {I have my guess}

I'm going to wait until we know who to "bash" before I point fingers.

3.What the hill do I know [Smile]
 
Posted by bilgert on :
 
What are actions? You mean half-sober ramblings on an internet radio show aren't actions, lol?

Man, I miss the days when the PPS of CSHD was jumping all around like popcorn, especially on a slow day like today. Seems like soooo long ago.

Maybe something crazy will happen today. My spidey-sense says something will. not based on DD, or insider info- just seems like it's about time for some BS to explode...

quote:
Originally posted by humble:
We've had enough of the power struggle. Actions are all that matter.

...In My humble Opinion


 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Once again from Rfus' site;


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http://www.**************.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1166787#post1166787Quote:
Originally Posted by TonySoprano
I can give you this much-there was another person who participated on the conference call, someone with a demonstrable track record of achievement within several successful companies, who vouched for both John and the MM based on his own experiences with each.

This individual made it clear his name could not be associated with the CSHD or the Shareholder's committee but is a shareholder and was interested in having the right thing done for the company.

I can't give out any more information because I respect the privacy of this individual but, after researching the background of this person I decided that supporting the effort to get the MM to file the 15c211 and return the stock to the OTCBB was in the best interests of myself and all shareholders.

Sorry I can't give you more, but it would be up to that person to come forward and provide more information. Perhaps it will be disclosed at some later point.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
The MM thing?
Has been covered...why do they keep bringing it up?...
Maybe I am reading the rules wrong...but the way I read it is that signing on an MM couldn't have been done without the corrected financials...and the answer to the SEC...
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
Jenna,
your finding a lot of posts from the other site that tend to support the JA camp. imo do to the lack of communication between RPH and the "others" (any lost fans), JA and co., along with most of the SHC may have been acting in what they thought was the best interest of the co. (especially if they new only slightly more than the rest of us). However, it is really starting to look now like RPH kept all his cards close and maybe only he and possibly Ben know/knew the answers to all our q's. Therefore JA and the SHC may have had good intentions but just jumped the gun. I hope JA comes back w something tangible and this only improves the co.'s position.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
From that other site...

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FYI Info: For those that purchased shares via David Perley or JMS Construction, Inc.:


Texas State Securities Board
Phone Number: (512) 305-8300

In a phone call this morning, I ask if David Perley or JMS Construction, Inc. were registered as securities dealers or agents with the Texas Securities Commissioner.

No registration was found. I was directed to file a complaint.

Enforcement Division - Submit a Complaint
The State Securities Board is authorized to conduct investigations to prevent and detect violations of the Texas Securities Act. There are administrative, civil and criminal sanctions for these violations. If you have information indicating that a firm or individual may have offered for sale or sold unregistered securities, acted as an unregistered securities dealer or agent, or engaged in any fraud in connection with the sale of securities in Texas, you may submit this information to:


Enforcement Division
State Securities Board
PO Box 13167
Austin, Texas 78711-3167


also by sending email to complaints*ssb.state.tx.us

Please provide the following information:
Your name and address.
Your home and business telephone number.
The names, addresses and phone numbers of the parties complained of.
The dates and amounts involved in the transactions.
A summary of the facts pertaining to the transactions.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? Did you ever hear anything from JA?
He got back last week right?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
The MM thing?
Has been covered...why do they keep bringing it up?...
Maybe I am reading the rules wrong...but the way I read it is that signing on an MM couldn't have been done without the corrected financials...and the answer to the SEC...

Why do they keep bringing up A LOT of things? Desperation IMO
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
CAT-

You are correct I was just reviewing old dd. But I don’t remember trying to link Travis Teselle w Moseley before. I do remember you finding the info on Tensor I.Sys. and that we felt like his cpu knowledge would have aided RPH greatly.

THE FACT that your filing shows he was connected to the MA/R.Moseley camp all the way back in 2003 receiving 1000000 shares in the transaction (more than Moseley at the time) I think is telling! If he was responding to my email to donate funds has a cpu background, and could have been assisting/running the CEOTA website . . .At the very least, another in the MA camp looks Suspect! imo


Thecon....here is Travis on a filing with Randy Moseley. This might be the DD that was originally found on Travis, im not sure.

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2003/02/25/0001010549-03-000063/Section2.asp

And it looks like the company he is "connected to" is....Tensor Information Systems

Did you find more "dots" or were you just going through old stuff?
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
ill never get more than one star cause i cant and never will be able to spell. Guess i come off sounding like a moron?
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Thecon....you mention JA coming back with something tangible. First of all, "coming back" wouldnt apply because he was never here as far as i know. Returning to Canada...maybe. Anyway, its been almost 3 weeks and no one can apparently reach him because he cant afford a mobile phone that works over there so IMO he is currently "missing". Its funny though, i was in Germany for the month of October and the mobile phone i was given for the trip worked just fine....and i didnt have millions of dollars on the line, or whatever.

As for that stuff you brought over here 10. I actually spoke with someone that allegedly bought shares directly from Perley and last i heard he sold SOME of those shares. So, somehow he was able to register them....no idea how if that post is correct.

This is all good stuff coming from that RPH message board. It makes it easy for Rufus to document all of their IPs.

Document everything.........
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
CAT-

You are correct I was just reviewing old dd. But I don’t remember trying to link Travis Teselle w Moseley before. I do remember you finding the info on Tensor I.Sys. and that we felt like his cpu knowledge would have aided RPH greatly.

THE FACT that your filing shows he was connected to the MA/R.Moseley camp all the way back in 2003 receiving 1000000 shares in the transaction (more than Moseley at the time) I think is telling! If he was responding to my email to donate funds has a cpu background, and could have been assisting/running the CEOTA website . . .At the very least, another in the MA camp looks Suspect! imo


Thecon....here is Travis on a filing with Randy Moseley. This might be the DD that was originally found on Travis, im not sure.

http://sec.edgar-online.com/2003/02/25/0001010549-03-000063/Section2.asp

And it looks like the company he is "connected to" is....Tensor Information Systems

Did you find more "dots" or were you just going through old stuff?

Im glad you were able to recall that because i was unsure if we had linked Travis to any of the FHAL people. How could i have missed that the first time around!?! [Smile]
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Cat?
I am sure that allot of those shares have been sold...
Question might be...were they "real"?
I am just speculating...and found that post interesting...
I honestly have no clue...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thecon00:
Jenna,
your finding a lot of posts from the other site that tend to support the JA camp. imo do to the lack of communication between RPH and the "others" (any lost fans), JA and co., along with most of the SHC may have been acting in what they thought was the best interest of the co. (especially if they new only slightly more than the rest of us). However, it is really starting to look now like RPH kept all his cards close and maybe only he and possibly Ben know/knew the answers to all our q's. Therefore JA and the SHC may have had good intentions but just jumped the gun. I hope JA comes back w something tangible and this only improves the co.'s position.

That is EXACTLY my thought.....I think RPH did not tell them his intentions & kept them to himself (which may have been a fatal mistake- but that's his porogative as a CEO)....

I think he did not tell them his true intentions therefor they took it as him doing nothing & panicked....

I can see both sides of the fence....I owned a corp before & if people were demanding answers from me & I didn't feel like explaining myself, I just would have done the same thing & said,"That's not what I wanted to do." - and I wouldn't have felt as though I was obligated to tell them....after all "it was MY company..."

But then on the other hand - these are shareholders that hold a stake in the comapany & feel are owed answers....

...so I can see both sides...perhaps a huge misunderstanding that may be the death of this company......

They better just agree to work this out for the sake of the shaerholders.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
Jenna? Did you ever hear anything from JA?
He got back last week right?

Honestly, haven't heard a word.....I called him a few days ago & have not gotten a call back yet....so either he isn't back yet or perhaps doesn't have goos news.....I'm hesitant in calling him back because I don't know if it would matter if he landed that funding or not....

I asked Rufus 2 days ago if he would accept any funding that John brought to the table & he hasn't answered me either....he only has answered a few selected questions of mine....so I do not think he would accept anything from John but that is only speculation.....

There are a lot of good questions being asked by only a few people, not many are wanting answers, just a few......he has only answered a few of mine...he said that if I didn't understand that I never will.....he also told someone that it's the shareholders fault what happened with the comittee. He said that James Gee was the only one that stepped up & put a ton of time into it...

A few of his biggest fans weren't to happy with that response....but at least he has given a forum where you can ask him questions......

He does bing up some good points but then he will say something that makes you scratch your head.....he brings up dirt on James Gee than sticks up for him the next minute....he brings up things with Mike than he was on SPR saying that Mike may have been had himself....

Soooo we remain with this mystery.....

-we have Rufus on his own message board,

-we are waiting for a proxy that we were supposed to get on the 9th (Simon added 2 weeks making it the 23rd), they may need a 10 day notice to do it (not sure) haven't seen that yet,

-do we even know who legally can put out a proxy? Is it the CEO? Is it the SHC, Do we have a SHC, Rufus fired them, but does that count? sooo confusing....

-John is back...no he's still in Germany....no wait he may be in Russia working on a second deal.....wait he's coming back today...wait no he came back last week.....oh I don't know....

but I do know that the company is still in default & we do not have a lawyer.....

God help us all.....Jenna
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
or maybe RPH felt/knew that revealing nothing was in the best interest of the co. at the time in an effort to sort out the false share and NSS problems. As he said the co. could not go forward at that point. Revealing info may have been the wrong move.

In any event i think he new the co. could not be taken from him.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Thecon....you mention JA coming back with something tangible. First of all, "coming back" wouldnt apply because he was never here as far as i know. Returning to Canada...maybe. Anyway, its been almost 3 weeks and no one can apparently reach him because he cant afford a mobile phone that works over there so IMO he is currently "missing". Its funny though, i was in Germany for the month of October and the mobile phone i was given for the trip worked just fine....and i didnt have millions of dollars on the line, or whatever.

As for that stuff you brought over here 10. I actually spoke with someone that allegedly bought shares directly from Perley and last i heard he sold SOME of those shares. So, somehow he was able to register them....no idea how if that post is correct.

This is all good stuff coming from that RPH message board. It makes it easy for Rufus to document all of their IPs.

Document everything.........

You are assuming he would want to talk to James....

Do you believe what James says or not.....

Perhaps John does not wish to talk with any of them anymore......think about that.....HHMMM...

Think about why he would only talk to James from a land line....HHMMMM....
 
Posted by TexasMoney on :
 
Anyone have the URL of Rufus' message board? I tried www.drunkencowboy.com but that's not it.
 
Posted by ww2player on :
 
Interesting post..


quote:
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Today, 09:45 PM #9585
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Originally Posted by Tomm05
Also, does MA have the amount of shares he claims to vote away control from Rufus.


MA aquired his shares from the original purchase or reverse merger of FURA with Fronthaul, a privately held Nv corporation. Of course the money he and DP raised was used to purchase the FURA shell company. I think total cost of the shell purchase was around 150k. during the merger MA recieved roughly 55% of the outstanding common stock shares of the company and 100% of the perfered. MA originally had a guy by the name of Mike Holbrook takin checks and MA was having the money sent to the company checking acct. From there, MA would have stock certs sent out in the name of the private company, all at .10 a share. Some problems ocurred with MA and MH, so MA got DP to start taking money. Here is where the problem started. MA gave DP cart-de-blanc to sell. He even told him, I don't want to know anything. well, DP started rolling...some people (if he liked them) he would sell for .10 a share, some for 1.00 a share and all points in between. Anytime he would start running low on stock, he would call MA, MA would call the transfer agent and bingo, more stock. Question, aren't u supposed to have a broker license to sell this stuff? Oooops DP didn't have one, so he was selling his personal stock. Shares were supposed to be sold with 25% free trading and 75% restricted for 1 year....some people got that split, others got 50-50 and even some got stuck with 10-90.... Also, restrictions were actually for 2 years not...........DP was originally given 5 mil shares for his efforts to raise funds. He recieved even more after the merger. Is this good stuff??????? Trust me I know all....about the pre-merger. Tut got his thru purchase and allocation after he became the CEO.....How quainte.....Question, How many shares does MA children and wife hold, besides MA shares....that is one I would like to know.


 
Posted by thesource on :
 
For what its worth :

http://www.ssb.state.tx.us/regulations/2003Act.html#SEC%2033

This only applies to Texas residence but I am sure other states have similiar laws .
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Well see you guys / gals around . I just sold all of my shares for .12 a share . I'm off to bigger and better things but am pretty sure I'll cross paths with CSHD in the not so distant future .
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Bye source!!! I may be behind you shortly....

If there isn't a wonder proxy on the 23rd (already missed the feb 9th RPH's date)- I will not accept another postponement from RPH...& I'll be out...
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Not exactly sure what this is

http://www.sec.gov/news/speech/2006/spch121306rcc2.htm


but I found this when searching & looks like we would get a notice 10 days before a Proxy came out.....if this is true....we will not be seeing one for until well after the 23rd...but that's not surprising.....my days are numbered in this stock......
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
http://www.nixonpeabody.com/linked_media/publications/SLA_Electronic_Delivery_of _Proxies_01-26-07.pdf
 
Posted by humble on :
 
With all of the mystery surrounding outstanding shares I finally caved in and have requested a portion of my position in physical certificates.

Scenario 1: I receive certs in a timely fashion (I was told 2-4 weeks). In that case, I will feel better that I am at least on the company's record in the event that things turn for the better and shareholders of (company) record are involved in a distribution or action of some sort.

Scenario 2: I receive excuses and delays, but no certs. If this happens, I will have a legal recourse and additional evidence that things are really out of whack with the outstanding shares.

As I said in my last post, time for action. If no one can shoot straight about the sharecount, I will run my own experiment. Seems like a win-win minus the $75 cert fee.

I'll let you know how things turn out. I would also be interested in hearing the experiences of anyone else who requested certs in the last 6 months. I know there are a few that follow this board.

...In My humble Opinion
 
Posted by thecon00 on :
 
im close to doing the same humble.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Well, I hope Rufus is planning on mailing out the proxies because according to this the first internet proxy will not be able to take place until Aug 10th 2007!!!!


http://www.stinsonmoheck.com/legalpublications/smhlupage.asp?key=511
 
Posted by 3403 on :
 
Where is Saddam Huesein when you need him.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Well see you guys / gals around . I just sold all of my shares for .12 a share . I'm off to bigger and better things but am pretty sure I'll cross paths with CSHD in the not so distant future .

Good luck!
This is confusing to me...Who is buying these shares? There can't be "new" investors actually buying these...Can there? Do people really invest in stocks that are trading on the greys and in the middle of a SEC investigation?
AND? Why is it still trading at .10-.20?
None of it adds up... [Confused]
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
Well I've been tossing around the idea of getting my certs for months. Humble - I'm with you. I just did it. I ordered 300 of mine via etrade online for $40. Not gonna sell at these worthless prices anyway being that I averaged up well over $1. I'll keep you posted on the status.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Well see you guys / gals around . I just sold all of my shares for .12 a share . I'm off to bigger and better things but am pretty sure I'll cross paths with CSHD in the not so distant future .

Good luck!
This is confusing to me...Who is buying these shares? There can't be "new" investors actually buying these...Can there? Do people really invest in stocks that are trading on the greys and in the middle of a SEC investigation?
AND? Why is it still trading at .10-.20?
None of it adds up... [Confused]

Yes some people are still buying, especially those who have little fear of the investigation.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by GreenDay:
Well I've been tossing around the idea of getting my certs for months. Humble - I'm with you. I just did it. I ordered 300 of mine via etrade online for $40. Not gonna sell at these worthless prices anyway being that I averaged up well over $1. I'll keep you posted on the status.

I have mine, and glad I do. Interesting enough all mine have Rufus's signature. I hear the latest have John's John Hancock.
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Jenna, Dave Perley stated to me in a phone conversation that Rufus is a multiple personality, which might explain the conflicting opinions on people or running a successful legitimate company etc,.
 
Posted by TimW on :
 
I increased over 8 times my position the last couple weeks.

Cheap enough for the risk.
 
Posted by GreenDay on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TimW:
I increased over 8 times my position the last couple weeks.

Cheap enough for the risk.

Just like Rufus, you are either insane or brilliant. I hope it the later for the both of you.
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 6digits:
Jenna, Dave Perley stated to me in a phone conversation that Rufus is a multiple personality, which might explain the conflicting opinions on people or running a successful legitimate company etc,.

Yeah right! Not only does that sound rediculous. I don't even think you could find that good of writing on a daytime soap opera. Next we'll hear he underwent brain surgery by his long lost son who knew that Rufus's lover who was secretly his sister.

Multiple personality... I would maybe believe it if you said the other personallity was named John Arlitt. At least it would explain the two CEO's for CSHD and why the SEC seems to careless.

Personally, I would becareful spreading libel statements by 10% owners. It seems many are busy taking notes on this stock. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Well see you guys / gals around . I just sold all of my shares for .12 a share . I'm off to bigger and better things but am pretty sure I'll cross paths with CSHD in the not so distant future .

Good luck!
This is confusing to me...Who is buying these shares? There can't be "new" investors actually buying these...Can there? Do people really invest in stocks that are trading on the greys and in the middle of a SEC investigation?
AND? Why is it still trading at .10-.20?
None of it adds up... [Confused]

I've had it for sale for a couple of weeks *.20 but it never sold . I finally said fuk it and placed an order to sell at market . It was at .09 when i placed it and they ended up selling for .12 . I had to show where I took a loss so I can move foward on my plan .
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
Well, I hope Rufus is planning on mailing out the proxies because according to this the first internet proxy will not be able to take place until Aug 10th 2007!!!!


http://www.stinsonmoheck.com/legalpublications/smhlupage.asp?key=511

Jenna, unless I'm wrong he has always talked about mailing them out. I never heard him say anything about internet proxies.

I just hope he hurries up one way or the other. We've been Lost in Stock long enough.

Nice find on the internet proxy info.

Wally
 
Posted by Ocqueoc on :
 
AS THE STOMACH TURNS is still turning!

Sense no one was on here, thought I'd check out other boards.

Mod on HSM has been teasing his boardmembers for hours! He reminds me of the old tut days.
He keeps saying there will be a message later this evening and it's not about the thread there hhmmm

On RPH board, somehow the Feb.9th posts were deleted. All of them. hhmmm

WTH is going on now? I know , wait and see. [Roll Eyes]
 
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
 
Sounds like he is going on a long vacation big surprise.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Sounds like he is going on a long vacation big surprise.

Great timing don't you think.

Wally
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Ocqueoc:
AS THE STOMACH TURNS is still turning!

Sense no one was on here, thought I'd check out other boards.

Mod on HSM has been teasing his boardmembers for hours! He reminds me of the old tut days.
He keeps saying there will be a message later this evening and it's not about the thread there hhmmm

On RPH board, somehow the Feb.9th posts were deleted. All of them. hhmmm

WTH is going on now? I know , wait and see. [Roll Eyes]

I went to the RPH board. I've posted a few times but it's not for me. Way too Cliquish. I'm staying here where I'm comfortable. Where we discuss disagree dig a little deeper but tyr to keep the personalites out of it.

Wally
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This is totally uncalled for regarding Portman!!!!! This is from RPH's site.....that site is nuts.....very strange.....this person asked me how I posted the minutes from the SHC & was suspicious of me because I was from Allstocks....he said, You are from allstocks as is the PR person & also Mark Porterfield." By the way I got the minutes post right from the RPH site I just bumped it - DUH-

I told him I didn't know what he was getting at but that I'm just a stay- at- home mom that is a nurse on the weekend.....I guess he thinks I am part if the NSS ring....& it sounds like he thinks the Allstock's crew are nakked shorters HaHa...he should be careful, "his crazy is showing".....here's what he said about Portman...


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We got John's in Russia, Don heading to Cuba (neither have extradition agreements with the US...) and Portman's wife is Russian (probably mail-order). Hmmm a little mafia influence?
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Thats how all the whack jobs in this try to spin things . Remember when St. Matt tried to say I was a paid basher ??? I still cannot believe how many brain washed fools there are that still believe all this crap is coming to light . Anyone that questions it or post a valid arguement is either a paid basher or part of some NSS ring . Give me a f'n break ........
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
This is under the proxy section of the bylaws....It says that we need a 10 day notice for a proxy.....I brought this up over at the other site but they don't address dd, they only talk about nothing......If they need to give a 10 day notice then RPH will miss a deadline again.....He already missed Feb 9th that he gave....now next stop is the 23rd...which was a date given by someone else.....that means we would have to get the notice today for him to make Simon's deadline......I'm sick of this....I can't stomach this crap anymore.....as a caller said on SPR, "I drank the Kool-aid once, I will not drink it again, there are enough drunks in this company."

Sorry guys, can't take this circus anymore.....GOOD LUCK ALL!!!

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Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
The Source,

I guess that I owe you an apology. Please forgive me.

My thought process was based entirely on the fact that you (and a few others) showed up at a very curious time (first week of October) and started bashing the stock without any known facts....just opinions. My problem was not that you had an opinion...we all do...but more so that you were giving your opinion as if it was fact. You were arguing with people who were very emotional because of everything that they had been through and you did not have any skins on the wall at the time.

Of course, your liberal use of colorful language in describing people who had done extensive DD did not do much for your credibility right out of the shoot either. As far as people being “whack jobs” and / or “brain washed fools”…I doubt that there are very many people who are working harder behind the scenes than Jenna and myself. We are constantly communicating with multiple contacts in an attempt to get at the truth.

In hindsight, it looks as if a lot of what you were saying has come to light, but anyone that claims to have known all along what was going on with this company is lying through their teeth. I’m not sure there are more than a handful of people who know the entire story here….and I doubt seriously that you are one of them.


quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Thats how all the whack jobs in this try to spin things . Remember when St. Matt tried to say I was a paid basher ??? I still cannot believe how many brain washed fools there are that still believe all this crap is coming to light . Anyone that questions it or post a valid arguement is either a paid basher or part of some NSS ring . Give me a f'n break ........


 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
Unreal how MY posts get deleted. I hate this place.
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Repo, I see you over there, HYSTERICAL!!!!!!
 
Posted by Repoman75 on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
The Source,

I guess that I owe you an apology. Please forgive me.

My thought process was based entirely on the fact that you (and a few others) showed up at a very curious time (first week of October) and started bashing the stock without any known facts....just opinions. My problem was not that you had an opinion...we all do...but more so that you were giving your opinion as if it was fact. You were arguing with people who were very emotional because of everything that they had been through and you did not have any skins on the wall at the time.

Of course, your liberal use of colorful language in describing people who had done extensive DD did not do much for your credibility right out of the shoot either. As far as people being “whack jobs” and / or “brain washed fools”…I doubt that there are very many people who are working harder behind the scenes than Jenna and myself. We are constantly communicating with multiple contacts in an attempt to get at the truth.

In hindsight, it looks as if a lot of what you were saying has come to light, but anyone that claims to have known all along what was going on with this company is lying through their teeth. I’m not sure there are more than a handful of people who know the entire story here….and I doubt seriously that you are one of them.


quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Thats how all the whack jobs in this try to spin things . Remember when St. Matt tried to say I was a paid basher ??? I still cannot believe how many brain washed fools there are that still believe all this crap is coming to light . Anyone that questions it or post a valid arguement is either a paid basher or part of some NSS ring . Give me a f'n break ........


WE WERE 100% RIGHT!
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
Well I accept your apology . I didn't come on here to start trouble . I want people to snap out of this Jonestown like cult they are in . Rufus is full of $hit , no matter how you look at it . JA , who knows what the the deal is with him but here's my take on it . He comes on HSM pumping the hell out of it like he's the ultimate insider giving everyone false hope and keeping them on the line . Now , he's realized the whole thing was a scam and he's going to save us all . Yeah right , he can't even enter into the U.S. (that should be a huge sign that something is up with this guy !!!).

We've lost our investment on a scam . This is a scam and always has been a scam . A select few made good money on this scam (mainly day traders and insiders) but the majority of us (me included) lost our asses on it .

Good luck to the ones holding this stock and hopefully things turn around . I'll admit , even if I think the company is a scam , if there's a chance to buy it again and flip it for a profit , I'm taking it . Anyone that thinks this POS is a long term investment ........... is just plain wishfull thinking !!!

Hopefully 2007 will be the year for revenge . I hope CSHD and Rufus pay the price in all this and ultimately lands Rufus in prison where he belongs .
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
Unreal how MY posts get deleted. I hate this place.

That would make you a masochist... [Razz]
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
St. Matt- see Brazil calls you "St. Matt of Allstocks".....he does not regard people of Allstocks in a high manner....

Watch out Tax don't let them know you have posted here.....

& becareful offering your website services....that's what Tut did, that's what the PR person did & they now are deemed as evil enemies.... [Wink]

They were just like you a shareholder that offered something.....the PR person offered it when Rufus was CEO, but people want to believe that that person was somehow connected to Tut....WRONG!!!... but people talk about things they no nothing about....I just let them talk there are a few other things over there that they claim to be "fact" that I laugh at....they are way off but I will not bring to them what I know, I think I will just let certain people look like idiots from now on...... [Wink]
 
Posted by glassman on :
 
always remember:

You are only paranoid if they aren't really out to get you('re money). [Wink]
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
For the record , I have no issues with anyone on this board . Well , maybe one person .........
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
I almost want to sign up to that "other board" just to post against some of the nonsense...specifically the comments about the Allstocks people. Remember, these people are almost entirely from a board that has suspicious activity associated with it currently AND nearly every one of them intentionally broke the rules of the board so they could be banned "in style" before going to the other board. A large bunch of them are just punks looking to get attention and im sure RPH and Brazilionrosewood have their hands full over there with that mess.

In the end Rufus will have what he wanted....all of their IP addresses. What he plans to do with them is a mystery but if i were posting over there i think id be kinda careful.
 
Posted by thesource on :
 
He can have mine . I'll even give him my address . Maybe he wants to invite everyone to his next BBQ .
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
The Source,

We all know it...we drank the kool-aide. We drank it long and we drank it hard. Some very smart people have been duped by this thing…doctors, lawyers, engineers, scientists...you name it. The plan was perfect...the storm was even better.

What people are pinning their hopes on right now is that we can somehow salvage 50 cents on the dollar of their original investment. People want to sell and walk away from this so they can get on with their lives, but not at these prices. The risk / reward factor still favors holding at this point. It’s painful, but it’s true.

People are flip flopping from the Rufus camp to the John camp to the MA and DP camp…back to the Rufus camp on a daily / weekly basis. Have I flipped a time or two…not going to lie to you. There was a time when my trust and faith was in John, but my hope was still in Rufus and the bonds. Who do I trust now…nobody. I’m officially in camp PPS….have been for about 6 weeks. I want my money back and I want those responsible for this mess to pay for what they have done.

Will we get a proxy that will give us a “tingly feeling in our stomach”…I don’t know. I’m told by some people who seem to know that “yes, it’s coming and it will be good”. But I’m not going to hold my breath. I will not believe anything about this stock / company until I see it with my own eyes.


quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Well I accept your apology . I didn't come on here to start trouble . I want people to snap out of this Jonestown like cult they are in . Rufus is full of $hit , no matter how you look at it . JA , who knows what the the deal is with him but here's my take on it . He comes on HSM pumping the hell out of it like he's the ultimate insider giving everyone false hope and keeping them on the line . Now , he's realized the whole thing was a scam and he's going to save us all . Yeah right , he can't even enter into the U.S. (that should be a huge sign that something is up with this guy !!!).

We've lost our investment on a scam . This is a scam and always has been a scam . A select few made good money on this scam (mainly day traders and insiders) but the majority of us (me included) lost our asses on it .

Good luck to the ones holding this stock and hopefully things turn around . I'll admit , even if I think the company is a scam , if there's a chance to buy it again and flip it for a profit , I'm taking it . Anyone that thinks this POS is a long term investment ........... is just plain wishfull thinking !!!

Hopefully 2007 will be the year for revenge . I hope CSHD and Rufus pay the price in all this and ultimately lands Rufus in prison where he belongs .


 
Posted by glassman on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I almost want to sign up to that "other board" just to post against some of the nonsense...specifically the comments about the Allstocks people. Remember, these people are almost entirely from a board that has suspicious activity associated with it currently AND nearly every one of them intentionally broke the rules of the board so they could be banned "in style" before going to the other board. A large bunch of them are just punks looking to get attention and im sure RPH and Brazilionrosewood have their hands full over there with that mess.

In the end Rufus will have what he wanted....all of their IP addresses. What he plans to do with them is a mystery but if i were posting over there i think id be kinda careful.

in order to sling mud? you must first stoop and get mud on yourself [Big Grin]
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Oh yea, and the best thing so far that has happened to that "other board" is Repo showed up over there. [Razz]
 
Posted by 6digits on :
 
Where is The Rufus site at? Anybody please PM me?
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
Repo, Brazil just accused you of being a SHORT....he's so suspicious it's funny.....they also called you a bag holder....boy oh boy they just don't know Repo.....


Repo is challenging Rufus to show up & talk to him.....
 
Posted by Jenna on :
 
I have to go, I'm going to pee my pants.....they think good things are about to happen because Repo showed up...

They think that means the shorts are nervous.....REPO...you are a sign from the CSHD gods that the gates of victory will be opening soon....Haha ....gotta laugh...see you all later....
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
St Matt asks:
Will we get a proxy that will give us a “tingly feeling in our stomach”…

I'm not holding my breath...this would require:
1) a Lawyer, to make sure that it is correct and legit
2) Money to run off the copies and send it through mail...(lots of postage on this) and $ to pay the lawyer...

2 things that we have been lead to believe do not excist...MONEY and a LAWYER!

Are we to "think" that Rufas has the funds to do this? It would be coming out of his own pocket...correct? Since JA is the CEO? Or at least the one holding the "keys"

I am not running to my mailbox to check, that is for sure...It's usually all junk mail...and if this actually comes?...it will end up in that junk mail pile...IMO
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
LMAO..Repo? that other site? You can't get us here to stop posting on this thread...stop teasing the other board...you're being a bully....LOL
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Sounds like a compliment to me... [Cool]


quote:
Originally posted by Jenna:
St. Matt- see Brazil calls you "St. Matt of Allstocks".....he does not regard people of Allstocks in a high manner....



 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
I guess I missed the Fat Lady singing then... [Roll Eyes]

quote:
Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:
Originally posted by St. Matthew:
The Source,

I guess that I owe you an apology. Please forgive me.

My thought process was based entirely on the fact that you (and a few others) showed up at a very curious time (first week of October) and started bashing the stock without any known facts....just opinions. My problem was not that you had an opinion...we all do...but more so that you were giving your opinion as if it was fact. You were arguing with people who were very emotional because of everything that they had been through and you did not have any skins on the wall at the time.

Of course, your liberal use of colorful language in describing people who had done extensive DD did not do much for your credibility right out of the shoot either. As far as people being “whack jobs” and / or “brain washed fools”…I doubt that there are very many people who are working harder behind the scenes than Jenna and myself. We are constantly communicating with multiple contacts in an attempt to get at the truth.

In hindsight, it looks as if a lot of what you were saying has come to light, but anyone that claims to have known all along what was going on with this company is lying through their teeth. I’m not sure there are more than a handful of people who know the entire story here….and I doubt seriously that you are one of them.


quote:
Originally posted by thesource:
Thats how all the whack jobs in this try to spin things . Remember when St. Matt tried to say I was a paid basher ??? I still cannot believe how many brain washed fools there are that still believe all this crap is coming to light . Anyone that questions it or post a valid arguement is either a paid basher or part of some NSS ring . Give me a f'n break ........


WE WERE 100% RIGHT!

 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
I almost want to sign up to that "other board" just to post against some of the nonsense...specifically the comments about the Allstocks people. Remember, these people are almost entirely from a board that has suspicious activity associated with it currently AND nearly every one of them intentionally broke the rules of the board so they could be banned "in style" before going to the other board. A large bunch of them are just punks looking to get attention and im sure RPH and Brazilionrosewood have their hands full over there with that mess.

In the end Rufus will have what he wanted....all of their IP addresses. What he plans to do with them is a mystery but if i were posting over there i think id be kinda careful.

Unfortunately Brazil is the ring leader. I stopped posting after a few posts because Brazil seems to be in charge and is lashing out at anyone and everyone. It seems, at least to him that all of us who post here on Allstocks are either short or somehow connected with the current state of affairs with CSHD.

It's really very sad. Jenna I noticed him lashing out at you and Portman and St Matt and I also know that the first I saw of the minutes from the stockholders committee was right there on that site.

When people lose it there sense of reason is lost also.

I'm home. Happy to be here with good people trying to figure things out.

Hey Repo, I'd much rather be here on this board with you though I disagree with you, than post over there with that mess. At least I can agree to disagree with you.

Good Luck
Wally
 
Posted by St. Matthew on :
 
Maybe this will help put him in his place...he is good at his DD, I'll give him that...But nowhere is it better than the DD that is done here.

Brazil,

Portman is very credible and I have never, ever known him to embellish his DD. Maybe he made a mistake. Besides, what does that have to do with his personal life? That’s just sophomoric.

Did you make a mistake in putting only one “T” in the name St. Matthew? You are quoting scripture in your signature yet you are not spelling the apostles name correctly. I have brought this to your attention before…so am I supposed to attack you personally because of your lack of attention to detail? Am I supposed to assume that there are similar oversights in your DD efforts?

"If your mind isn't open, keep your mouth shut too…If you can't be kind, at least be vague…If you are clear about what you want, the world responds with clarity."

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Today at 9:48am, St. Matthew wrote:

Brazil,

The comment about Portman is out of line...please edit or apologize to him. You obviously do not know him.

Matthew

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Today at 9:55am, brazil wrote:

And yes St. Mathew of Allstocks, I know more about Portman than he realizes. Including his inability to quote company Bylaws when arguing why he's part of the right. I will not apologize to Portman until he gives one fact regarding the claims he makes.


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Posted by thesource on :
 
Anyone living in Texas and would like to file a complaint on CSHD please email this man .

dgrauer*ssb.state.tx.us

He's with the Enforcement div of securities in Texas . It might not make any difference at all but its worth a try .
 
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
 
Im assuming that "Brazil" is not the same as "Brazillionrosewood"? I really only skim over there from time to time so i dont know who is who but it seemed BRW was fairly level headed in the past so i assumed it wasnt the same guy.

If things continue to go as they are over on that board i will lose the little bit of faith i have left in RPH. Its becoming comical
 
Posted by RyanPBF on :
 
Hey everyone. Just wanted to drop in on my CSHD family. I know I've been gone for awhile. Yes I still have all my shares [Frown] My own fault. I will say that this stocks never ceases to amaze in the amount of controversy it provides. I hope all is well with everyone. Hopefully I can start posting some more.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
Im assuming that "Brazil" is not the same as "Brazillionrosewood"? I really only skim over there from time to time so i dont know who is who but it seemed BRW was fairly level headed in the past so i assumed it wasnt the same guy.

If things continue to go as they are over on that board i will lose the little bit of faith i have left in RPH. Its becoming comical

Unfortunately he is one and the same. I know in the past I always thought he was level headed too but he seems to have gone off the deep end after his banning from HSM and thrist for power on the RPH board. Sad, really sad. I can't completely blame RPH for the zoo that the board over there has turned into. It seemed that he posted info that was pertinent but not many were willingly to look at it. As far as I know, Brazil is not a Moderater of the board but in fine CSHD fashion has assumed the crown. Man, never a dull moment with this stock. I just wish the action was centered around the company taking some action that would benefit us shareholders.

I'll get excited if and when someone ANYONE actually goes to court to answer the default. Until then we are just flapping in the wind.

Wally
 
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so looks like James is saying John is back in Canada but not home, will be home on Thursday, sounds like everything is done, but docs not finalized yet, should get a pr next week. early next week. attorney already screened and selected, dog did the discovery work for him.

That is for you Brazil
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Thanks Jenna...Good work as usual.
 
Posted by 10of13 on :
 
Jenna? Did you sell out earlier?
 
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
 
Hmmm, somebody bought 50,000 shares around 3:00 which caused the stock to go in the right direction...Thank you whoever you are.
 
Posted by wallymac on :
 
SEC Seeks to Limit Investor Suits

Tuesday, Feb. 13, 2007

WASHINGTON –- The Securities and Exchange Commission has taken initial steps to protect corporations, executives and accounting firms from investor lawsuits that accuse them of fraud.

For starters, the SEC filed a brief in Supreme Court last week urging the adoption of a legal standard that would make it more difficult for shareholders to prevail in fraud lawsuits against publicly traded companies and their executives, The New York Times reported.

At the same time, the agency's chief accountant said it was considering ways to protect accounting firms from large damage awards in cases brought by investors and companies.

According to the newspaper, critics of the SEC's actions said the moves signaled a major retrenchment from the post-Enron changes and showed that a lobbying push by big companies, Wall Street firms and the accounting industry was gaining traction.

But SEC Chairman Christopher Cox defended the agency's actions, saying both efforts were in the best interests of investors because they were aimed at preventing the accounting industry from further consolidation and at limiting what he called "fraudulent lawsuits," including some he said were filed by "professional plaintiffs."

Cox said the consolidation in the accounting industry had prompted Congress and the SEC to consider ways to "prevent the demise of another firm," the Times said.

In addition the SEC's chief accountant recently explained that since there are only four large accounting firms remaining in the U.S., the SEC had begun to consider how to limit the legal liability of those firms in suits filed by investors and companies.

Still, the newspaper said institutional investors and some analysts were alarmed at the developments and noted that the number of shareholder lawsuits has been declining noticeable
 
Posted by thedoctor on :
 
Look what the Prez wrote over at Rufus's site......
Brazil .... Your remarks about some of the people that are trying to contribute here are borderline ignorant. I thought that you had some brains, but; I can see that you aren't as smart as you try to make yourself look. Your constant insults and suggestions that Jenna and St. Matt are "shorters" shows that you know absolutely nothing. You are very disappointing. Most people here are desperately trying to get their money back or maybe even make some. Why don't you try to stop insulting people who want this company to excel just as much as you. I would also like to add that your comment saying "Portman's wife is a mail-order bride" is classless.

[ February 13, 2007, 23:59: Message edited by: thedoctor ]
 
Posted by Igor R on :
 
That board is getting ridiculous. All the useless talk that was on hsm is now there with the added bonus of people going gaga over giving each other karma and what not. Its ****ing stupid, pardon my french.
 


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