quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?
AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?
OK, let's back up
1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"
2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?
3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?
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agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.
Ok I couldnt sleep
Tex I personally know 2 that recv'd this letter. They are members of a private stock chat room (about 20 pay members). So the randomness of the email to select members itself is interesting.
The email accounts registered were addresses similar to the one I setup for all CSHD related email (cshd*etc...).
The entire thing is crazy
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quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? Where did someone get all of these email addresses? AND? why would this "John Smith" write such an email and send it to Shareholders?
There are many people that post email addresses in their profiles. on different sites. Alos many people gave their info to the SHC.
Seems very odd that Rufus and Sabra were talking as recently as his birthday. Rufus was on Subpenny that night and received a call from Sabra and mentioned that they were in contact quite a bit.
From the email, it would seem that much would have been out in the open prior to Rufus being ousted. If that were the case, I doubt Sabra would be calling Rufus to wish him a happy birthday.
Let's see. We have John Smith, that original. A little company in DC that deals with the Patriot Act and most of the information is not something the patriot act would cover since its a lot of private conversation, unless of course everyone's phone is bugged and they are under constant surviellence.
Well, I think I'll file this one in the circular file where it belongs. As far as the information about the businesses Sabra was involved in. I know I saw that when we first DD'ed her months ago. At least any info that didn't require government sharing due to the Patriot Act.
GLTA Wally
Ok, and here's a question: IF someone has access to shareholders' e-mails? Why mail to only seven? Why not mail to all?
To me, that's a clue...
IMO, that would be overkill and people would immediately be able to figure out how the email addresses were obtained. It makes it much more interesting and mysterious to send it to a select few. Whoever it is knows what he is doing and is getting the desired effect.
The boards are buzzing. Like Tax posted just enough truth to make it all plausible. Then leak it to a select few knowing it will show up on the message boards.
GLTA Wally
Logic, there, too...if *all* were e-mailed? It would obviously trace back...
Wally, the "simple" explanation, as I see it, lol...*simple*
is that the PIPE came from *somewhere*, clearly. Perhaps Dabbs? MA apparently praised her as being able to find the "real money." Well, for a struggling "trucking company," $2.5m would be a godsend, eh? That would seem like "real money," no?
Ok, so however the introductions are made, the "four accredited investors" turn out to be Corey Ribotsky, AJW et al...
Legally, the Ribotsky "nexus" now has shares to sell into a run. Nothing illegal, that: they are convertible, after all. Plus, those shares acquired at a market discount, back then...
Sidenote: Legally, those shares can *not* be sold short, as they were acquired "off-market," eh...
However, once it peaks? Being a hedge fund--the offshore AJW--can short on the open market. We know Schwab was gathering shares for some client, yes?
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? so far 7 other people got the same email...where did this person..."john Smith" get the emails addresses of CSHD share holders?
AND? I believe that most of the email is false...so it is just more of the "stupid" games that have been played with this stock...IMO..question is Why?
OK, let's back up
1) how do we *know* 7 others received the e-mail? Perhaps that's simply another "claim"
2) how do we *know* those 7 (if 1 is true) are actually shareholders?
3) *knowing* about 1) & 2) should provide some degree of triangulation on "how," eh?
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agreed, looks like gamesmanship to me...at this point. The "patriot Act" invocation seems like a tip-off.
Ok I couldnt sleep
Tex I personally know 2 that recv'd this letter. They are members of a private stock chat room (about 20 pay members). So the randomness of the email to select members itself is interesting.
The email accounts registered were addresses similar to the one I setup for all CSHD related email (cshd*etc...).
The entire thing is crazy
clearly, our mysterious *someone* either does *not* have access to all shareholder e-mails, OR is indulging in covering tracks...
that part, I agree with 10 of Fed-up-with-it, and you, for that matter: crazy...no value, here, speculating who/how. You can go nutz, staring into the funhouse mirrors...
The "key-in-the-lock" is the dance around the financing...
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: John Smith.....LOL there isn't to many of those.
Its probably Tim Miles or some other jackass.
Taxback, You said you received the email correct??
has anyone traced the origin??
No a surfer don't start that rumor. I did not recieve it. I read it on HSM. 7 people supposedly recieved it. 4 of them were on Paltalk at the time.
I think the majority of the letter is bogus. But Tex has raised some good points. Definitely worth entertaining. It is not impossible that the "ugly rumor" is true.
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Just lurking... I guess my opinion as always ...I do believe ole ruffas is gonna go thru hel and back and like he said we will rmrmber his name...Once this is all said and done and the fat lady signs I do believe we are all gonna be exilerated beyond any means possible. My opinion as always but I know in my heart ruffas is gonna fix this and he also mentioned a long time ago at the bbq that we would be on the greys someone said etc mo
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quote:Originally posted by a surfer: John Smith.....LOL there isn't to many of those.
Its probably Tim Miles or some other jackass.
Taxback, You said you received the email correct??
has anyone traced the origin??
No a surfer don't start that rumor. I did not recieve it. I read it on HSM. 7 people supposedly recieved it. 4 of them were on Paltalk at the time.
I think the majority of the letter is bogus. But Tex has raised some good points. Definitely worth entertaining. It is not impossible that the "ugly rumor" is true.
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I will tell you one thing that definitely made me skeptical. This sentence from the email sounds just like something I heard from Dr. Mensah once.
quote: If the people mentioned deny what I have found out, make them put it in writing.
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Also, I had to go look it up in my DD again but Sabra's "The Corporate Credit Firm" definitely has a name like a company that help's company's with bad credit, but I had it down as an risky Auto Loan business. Here is the link.
quote: Sabra also had a company called The Corporate Credit Firm that for $5,000.00 would help companies build a corporate credit profile. She was reselling them a $600.00 Dunn &Bradstreet credit profile.
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Well that is what I get for going too fast in my DD. "The Corporate Credit Firm" is listed as a Credit Reporting Agency. Which holds up with the email. Every listing on that link... has that same paragraph on it. It is an advertisement.
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Oh Tex... I am not liking the "feeling" I am getting.
The SEC shutting down the company would have concluded the email and the entire deal because it would in effect sever the ties to the paper trail. My question is why would Sabra if she set things up... why would she attempt to take CSHD over? What changed from the original plan if there was one.
Additionally, if Sabra was in contact with the SHC why would they not place her in charge rather that Tut? IMO it would make more sense. She supposedly wanted the position enough to try and throw Rufus from the train. She had the bond contacts and the bond experience.
Bad feeling gone. Thanks for letting me talk that out loud. If it was a pump on real shares and a dump on fake ones the fight for control at the end and the 6:1 ratio does not make any sense. If it was planned to let the company fold following the criminal activity then filing proof of the bonds with the court, slapping shorts with 6:1, and attempting a take over to "save" the business for herself makes little sense.
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This makes a bit more sense now. I guess Rufus was after some toxic financers. The NSS would go along with this. I think these are the people that were involved with FHAL that were involved with BBAN. Mike said he couldn't understand why FHAL's stock price was falling when he was getting new contracts...toxic financing! He also said that Rufus came in and told him who was involved (the financers I now believe) and Mike didn't think he should have known about them.
Very interesting. At least the sands are back moving through the hour glass.
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I still don't understand why this thing doesn't just keep falling. We've been channeling between 0.15 and 0.20 for some time now. Where's the value? If there was perceived value, I would think that as time continues to tick by without any news, whatever perceived value there was would continue to diminish - along with the PPS. Thoughts, anyone? Are there really that many people just holding their shares and not willing to sell below these levels? Another thing - the trade volume seems to have remained respectable since we started back on the greys - obviously there are people selling (which I can understand) - but who is buying? - people trying to flip? Does that even make sense in this environment?
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quote:Originally posted by MTPromises: I still don't understand why this thing doesn't just keep falling. We've been channeling between 0.15 and 0.20 for some time now. Where's the value? If there was perceived value, I would think that as time continues to tick by without any news, whatever perceived value there was would continue to diminish - along with the PPS. Thoughts, anyone? Are there really that many people just holding their shares and not willing to sell below these levels? Another thing - the trade volume seems to have remained respectable since we started back on the greys - obviously there are people selling (which I can understand) - but who is buying? - people trying to flip? Does that even make sense in this environment?
Not sure, but I have seen a couple of greys that channel like this that would be excellent flips if you have a little patience. Would I put in several K? No, but a couple of hundred, yep.
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quote:Originally posted by MTPromises: I still don't understand why this thing doesn't just keep falling. We've been channeling between 0.15 and 0.20 for some time now. Where's the value? If there was perceived value, I would think that as time continues to tick by without any news, whatever perceived value there was would continue to diminish - along with the PPS. Thoughts, anyone? Are there really that many people just holding their shares and not willing to sell below these levels? Another thing - the trade volume seems to have remained respectable since we started back on the greys - obviously there are people selling (which I can understand) - but who is buying? - people trying to flip? Does that even make sense in this environment?
if this were shorted to the tune of 8,10,15 million shares or more as many have speculated then perhaps shorts are covering at .15/.16 after selling short at 1.5+ taking everthing they can for a nice 90 percent profit! once they are gone volume would dry up and the price WOULD fall ALOT, why wait to try and buy back to cover at .015?. with way lower volume it might be VERY hard to cover millions of shorts, could take many months, the year is almost done. short covering may be propping up the price! with GTC buy orders for millions of shares standing MM`s would fill those orders and when they are filled and no buyers are left at these prices the fall to the bottom would begin, you cant sell short on the greys, nothing says you cant buy to cover! just a thought?
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quote:Originally posted by milliam: Toxic financing...oh the horror!!!
This makes a bit more sense now. I guess Rufus was after some toxic financers. The NSS would go along with this. I think these are the people that were involved with FHAL that were involved with BBAN. Mike said he couldn't understand why FHAL's stock price was falling when he was getting new contracts...toxic financing! He also said that Rufus came in and told him who was involved (the financers I now believe) and Mike didn't think he should have known about them.
Very interesting. At least the sands are back moving through the hour glass.
MA knew: Obviously, he was in charge when the deal was made...
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Hey glass...i've been waiting for some comments on that email from you... seems to be that some of these posts may be right up to what your thoughts have been all along...
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quote:Originally posted by milliam: Toxic financing...oh the horror!!!
This makes a bit more sense now. I guess Rufus was after some toxic financers. The NSS would go along with this. I think these are the people that were involved with FHAL that were involved with BBAN. Mike said he couldn't understand why FHAL's stock price was falling when he was getting new contracts...toxic financing! He also said that Rufus came in and told him who was involved (the financers I now believe) and Mike didn't think he should have known about them.
Very interesting. At least the sands are back moving through the hour glass.
MA knew: Obviously, he was in charge when the deal was made...
I'm sure MA knew about the financing, but I wonder if he knew about toxic financing. I wonder if Sabra sold him a bunch of BS...enough to make him feel like the financing was on the up and up and that it would give him the boost to make FHAL work. I think he never thought they would manipulate the stock and drive the pps down. IMO.
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milliam, have you seen Rufus lately. If I lived as close to his stable as you do, i'd go visit him and see whats up. You know talk some sense or something.
quote:Originally posted by milliam:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Toxic financing...oh the horror!!!
This makes a bit more sense now. I guess Rufus was after some toxic financers. The NSS would go along with this. I think these are the people that were involved with FHAL that were involved with BBAN. Mike said he couldn't understand why FHAL's stock price was falling when he was getting new contracts...toxic financing! He also said that Rufus came in and told him who was involved (the financers I now believe) and Mike didn't think he should have known about them.
Very interesting. At least the sands are back moving through the hour glass.
MA knew: Obviously, he was in charge when the deal was made...
I'm sure MA knew about the financing, but I wonder if he knew about toxic financing. I wonder if Sabra sold him a bunch of BS...enough to make him feel like the financing was on the up and up and that it would give him the boost to make FHAL work. I think he never thought they would manipulate the stock and drive the pps down. IMO.
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If you analyze the Email header information from the infamous email you can find the origin of the emailer.
[HEADER] Delivered-To: xxxx*yyyy Received: by 10.67.123.14 with SMTP id a14cs1008113ugn; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.249.18 with SMTP id w18mr477868qbh.1166064147605; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:42:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <connectingthedotsdc*lycos.com> Received: from smail1.lycosmail.lycos.com (bos-mail-smail3.bos.lycos.com [209.202.208.43]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q18si1841609qbq.2006.12.13.18.42.27; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 18:42:27 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of connectingthedotsdc*lycos.com designates 209.202.208.43 as permitted sender) Received: from bos-mail-wwl23.lycosmail.com (bos-mail-wwl23b.bos.lycos.com [10.124.64.103]) by bos-mail-smail3.lycosmail.com (8.13.6/8.9.1) with ESMTP id kBE2dtL8015582; Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:39:59 -0500 Received: (from hanadmin*localhost) by bos-mail-wwl23.lycosmail.com (8.12.9/8.9.1) id kBE2gZww017032 for <xxxx*yyyy>; Thu, 14 Dec 2006 11:42:35 +0900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [68.233.190.156] From: "John Smith" <connectingthedotsdc*lycos.com> Organization: Lycos. Inc. Priority: Normal To: <connectingthedotsdc*lycos.com> Subject: Connecting The Dots X-Mailer: Daum Web Mailer 1.1 Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21:42:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <20061213214232.HM.000000000000002*connectingthedotsdc.bos-mail-wwl23.lycos.c om> Errors-To: <connectingthedotsdc*lycos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Hanmail-Attr: fc=1
Now the information we care about:
X-Originating-IP: [68.233.190.156]
68.233.190.156 United States- Cumming, GA ISP- Adelphia Metro Code- Atlanta, GA *metro code 524* Area code 770
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