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I've already sent an email demanding that my information be removed from their system.
quote:Originally posted by driver4t4: not me, they are not getting any of my info.... I dont personally know those chosen few to lead the shareholders into battle..
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Thank God...Wally is back...welcome sir. Another voice of reason. Just popping in to say "hello" to all longs...hang in there and hang tough. We will win. Just like the Cowboys...j/k. Gotta go get the kids down...pray for me.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I completely agree with Betting Babe.
Now since it seems that Rufus wants shareholders to run the company I will give my todo list and the order they should follow. This is My personal Opinion only.
1) Hire an attorney that specializes in SEC arena to answer the motions that are presently being fought in court.
2) Cooperate fully with the SEC to put an end to the investigation, so that the company can move forward.
3) Hire and put people in place that will move the company forward. Whether these people are Ben, Sabra and company or new people who have the expertise and EXPERIENCE dealing with a public company and in the arena of working with Bonds and funding new operations. Just get it done. I prefer having people that have the experience.
4) Do what is neccessary to get MM's signed not just lined up, so that the stock can begin trading again. Whether it's Pinksheets, OTCBB doesn't matter. What matters is that the stock is being quoted. Moving to another trading platform can always be accomplished at some future date.
5) Hypothocate the bonds and begin funding the JV's and Subs. This is what will mae or break this company. Once the Subs and JV's are funded and begin functioning, it will be hard for anyone to call it a scam.
To sum up, It's time for ACTION not lip service. Rufus needs to take the reins or hand them over to someone who is able to take charge and deal with the real issues of the company. Once again in my opinion, A shareholder committee will not move the company forward. Strong action by the CEO and BOD is what will.
GLTA Wally
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Wow... I have been gone all weekend, and I come back to 37 pages of useless speculation, inappropriate jokes, insipid banter, pointless pictures, and not a single bit of usefull information. I believe that there is an off topic section of this forum, and it should be used. I also think that EVERY SINGLE PERSON SHOULD STOP RESPONDING TO THE BASHERS. Once those 2 things happen, this will be nice and short and sweet. I also hate that people feel that any knowledge that they get is meant only for certain people, and not the general readership of the board. I bet there are a lot of lurkers here, who read what is put out and try to make their own discisions after investigating any info. The whole point of this board to disseminate information so that everyone can make informed decisions on how to make money. So lets everyone try and make money, because it was painful trying to skim all of the pages I missed so that I could find any tidbit of usefull DD.
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quote: I love it when RPH is spilling beans on SPR for hours on end.
Unfortunatley we have so many loose cats and dogs out there we need some solid filings and PR's (address default judgement etc.).
Without them our investment will remain the same if not get worse.
dude the filings ok...but the prs are nothing but solid..I just want to make it clear that I myself prefer SPR + rufus over any pr...prs leave to much room for interpretation and speculation imo
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quote:Originally posted by unclerudy: Wow... I have been gone all weekend, and I come back to 37 pages of useless speculation, inappropriate jokes, insipid banter, pointless pictures, and not a single bit of usefull information. I believe that there is an off topic section of this forum, and it should be used. I also think that EVERY SINGLE PERSON SHOULD STOP RESPONDING TO THE BASHERS. Once those 2 things happen, this will be nice and short and sweet. I also hate that people feel that any knowledge that they get is meant only for certain people, and not the general readership of the board. I bet there are a lot of lurkers here, who read what is put out and try to make their own discisions after investigating any info. The whole point of this board to disseminate information so that everyone can make informed decisions on how to make money. So lets everyone try and make money, because it was painful trying to skim all of the pages I missed so that I could find any tidbit of usefull DD.
/rant off
oh im so sorry we didnt get your dd done for you please forgive us...everyone apologize to uncle rudy....lmao
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That goes for you too BB...We have missed you and your DD. I agree with what you and Wally are saying tonight. This committee is starting to sound like a fraternity. They are giving the impression that the more shares you have and the longer you have held them...you are more deserving of imformation. This concerns me. I could be wrong. I hope that I am. I am also hoping they get this worked out sooner than later.
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: i haven't been here much. hasn't been much concrete info to discuss, and it appears to me that is the way that rufus likes it.
lotsa propoganda, no company revenue.
lotsa legal wrangling and ego stroking, no forward movement.
but nothing bothers me more than "the committee".
i'll tell you one thing, the "committee owners" had better have some good liability insurance, collecting all that personal info on their website. and i expect to see some kind of disclaimer on there once the signup form is implemented. that's a lot of info to be responsible for; it's one thing to access a NOBO list and another to have all of the personal data to go with it. there's a reason that info is kept private. then again, rufus isn't 'officially involved' so the company would be clear. still, it's worrysome.
and to infer that not joining leaves you out in the cold? puhleeze. that'd be insider trading. public info is public info.
where are the reprocussions for all those people who didn't pull certs eh? and why exactly did i DTC my shares from TDAm to merrill? so i could look stupid when they hit a dime??!
most worrysome is this statement: Mr. Harris stated that the Shareholders Committee is very powerful and will be the backbone of the company. We will be able to basically appoint the people we want to lead the ship. I am very confident in our shareholder base, as I have met so many intelligent people since we started this journey. I ask that everyone pray for me and the board, as we do our best to do what is in the best interest of the shareholders of CSHD and for Mr. Harris as he leads us into battle.
the shareholders committee is the backbone of the company? shouldn't REVENUES be the backbone of the company??! SUBS? ASSETS??
appoint people to lead the ship? shouldnt that be the job of the CEO?!
pray for you? dude, i dont *pray* for my investments. chit man, i rarely pray period. i rely on good sound logic to make investment decisions... brain power over the-spirit-of-wall-street guidance. i'll leave prayer for religious ceremonies.
he's leading us into battle? tell ya what, why dont you lead us to the bank first, we'll purchase a nice arsenal with our earnings, and we'll be better equipped for the battle.
...after you figure out who's gonna be the friggin CEO, that is.
i don't see anyone accepting responsibility here. and that is... worrysome.
quote:Originally posted by unclerudy: Wow... I have been gone all weekend, and I come back to 37 pages of useless speculation, inappropriate jokes, insipid banter, pointless pictures, and not a single bit of usefull information. I believe that there is an off topic section of this forum, and it should be used. I also think that EVERY SINGLE PERSON SHOULD STOP RESPONDING TO THE BASHERS. Once those 2 things happen, this will be nice and short and sweet. I also hate that people feel that any knowledge that they get is meant only for certain people, and not the general readership of the board. I bet there are a lot of lurkers here, who read what is put out and try to make their own discisions after investigating any info. The whole point of this board to disseminate information so that everyone can make informed decisions on how to make money. So lets everyone try and make money, because it was painful trying to skim all of the pages I missed so that I could find any tidbit of usefull DD.
/rant off
oh im so sorry we didnt get your dd done for you please forgive us...everyone apologize to uncle rudy....lmao
No trade04, I just get upset that while we have nothing to talk about, we find things that should be said in other places to fill up this thread. I just wanted to communicate my distaste for off topic banter. A little is fine, but 37 pages of it crosses the line and makes Allstocks not as useful as it could be. We don't always have to be the top most active thread on this board. And I am contributing to the very phenomenon by saying these things.
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quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by unclerudy: Wow... I have been gone all weekend, and I come back to 37 pages of useless speculation, inappropriate jokes, insipid banter, pointless pictures, and not a single bit of usefull information. I believe that there is an off topic section of this forum, and it should be used. I also think that EVERY SINGLE PERSON SHOULD STOP RESPONDING TO THE BASHERS. Once those 2 things happen, this will be nice and short and sweet. I also hate that people feel that any knowledge that they get is meant only for certain people, and not the general readership of the board. I bet there are a lot of lurkers here, who read what is put out and try to make their own discisions after investigating any info. The whole point of this board to disseminate information so that everyone can make informed decisions on how to make money. So lets everyone try and make money, because it was painful trying to skim all of the pages I missed so that I could find any tidbit of usefull DD.
/rant off
Unclerudy,
I'm sorry to hear you feel that way, but if you wanted to invest in a company where information is readily available, you should have invested in Microsoft.
Here at CHSD all our DD is speculation. Our hired officers history cannot be found anywhere. Our company PRs are sparce and often raise more questions than they answer and our CEO has no clue on how to execute a sound business strategy, but gosh darn he can talk up a storm. This is the way we like it here, so if you want something with more certainty then go buy a lottery ticket.
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theSource pay attention!!! etouqe123 is teaching you the proper way to bash a stock. Don't screw around with any fact. Just twist everything till people are debating the definition of the word "is". LOL!
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Board- I was just as annoyed at the lack of information that has come out thus far (1045pm Sunday). I am not upset at the Saturday confrence call because I have a different interpretation of the PR than most. Some will pick this apart but hey- its just my opinion.
[A different point of view?]
They PR'd a shareholder committee meeting. Of which James is the appointed chairman (I know next question will be why him but lets stick to the topic of this PR).
The PR specifically stated:
[PASTE from PR] CSHD would also like to call an emergency meeting of the shareholders committee via teleconference November 18, 2006 at 5:00 PM. [END PASTE from PR]
So lets look at what the status of the shareholder committee was as of Friday-
James was appointed Chairmen and 100's of shareholders emailed in the shareholder information as requested. So far the committee consists of one appointed person and a bunch of shareholders that sent in the necessary information to be a part of it. Who at no point have been appointed or ever been a part of the committee. Since its still being formed. Those 100's of members will be a part of it as described once it’s a COMMITTEE.
Saturday comes around. Turns out the agenda for the confrence call was HOW to structure the shareholder committee. So having 100's of shareholders dial in was not the intent of the confrence call. It is intended to CREATE the shareholders committee.
At no point did the company or anyone indicate that the purpose of the emergency confrence call was to provide answers to the long awaited questions, solve the mystery of big foot or anything. It was merely to design the structure of the shareholder committee.
The chairmen assigned some shareholder representatives. They dialed in and assisted with the formation of the shareholder committee. How they came up with the names will also remain to be seen. But- they got heads together and started to hash out the shareholder committee. Keep in mind they are still building the shareholder committee. So far- its not complete. Nobody on the committee is left out- nobody that is a shareholder is missing out.
The confrence call goes on and they hammer out the structure and the details of the committee. James puts out a summary of what went on in the meeting. Nothing exciting, none of the answers a lot of you were hoping to see were in there but that wasn't the intent of the confrence call.
Do I think it could have been handled different? Sure. RPH could have just worked out the committee part with James directly and James could have arranged with some peer shareholders to help him in forming the structure of the committee. At least then we wouldn't have had this internet wide strike on everyone being left out of the loop.
I feel the same way everyone else does- I am waiting for the update from the company on current events. That has not taken place yet (It better soon).
Hearing something about 4 MM's from people posting on HSM and Allstocks is merely hearsay. It’s the same thing we have been going through with this stock for quite sometime.
The bottom line is the PR says nothing about EVERYONE dial into the CONF call and its going to be a COMPANY UPDATE. In fact the shareholder meeting is not until December 17th. There is a huge difference between the committee meeting (which isn't formed yet so its merely a few individuals building it) and a SHAREHOLDER meeting.
[PASTE from PR] KENNESAW, Ga., Nov. 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces that an emergency shareholders meeting has been called and will be held in Washington, D.C. on December 17, 2006 (30 days from today). The Meeting will be available via tele-conference and video-conference. Each shareholder of record will receive notification via mail. The exact location of the meeting is to be announced upon receipt of the required permits. [END PASTE]
This is just my opinion so take it fwiw. I have read 100's of posts that the company lied and they are screwing you and whatever- that may be the case but it definitely was because of this stupid committee meeting. Perhaps they should have called it "Shareholder committee building team" or something. Then everyone wouldn't have been going bezerk (myself included).
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I wish that were the case, but here is a quote from James Gee off the shareholder committee website:
"I would like to first apologize for the amount of time it took me to get this update out and for only allowing 20 people to be on the conference call. I will do my best to update you on the recent events and subject of the call"
Why is he apologizing for allowing only 20 people on the shareholder committee meeting if that was the intent all along?
Why do most of the people on HSM and this message board assume every shareholder surfs message boards for relevant company information?
Imagine you are a shareholder who does not listen to subpennyradio or surf message boards. You read a press release that states:
“CSHD would also like to call an emergency meeting of the shareholders committee via teleconference November 18, 2006 at 5:00 PM.”
So, you keep any eye out for a follow up PR, set aside personal plans on Saturday evening so you can be part of this emergency shareholder meeting. But, you don’t hear or see any updates.
To make matters worse, you read in Friday’s press release that the CEO says:
“I will be releasing important information about the corporation's current status and recent events over the weekend.”
Its 11:20 P.M EST so I guess there’s still a chance he can deliver on that promise.
I called the SEC last week for information and I have no problems calling them again on Monday for information. I will be asking them about Friday’s erroneous press release. I will also be asking them about the legitimacy of the formation of the shareholder committee.
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: Board- I was just as annoyed at the lack of information that has come out thus far (1045pm Sunday). I am not upset at the Saturday confrence call because I have a different interpretation of the PR than most. Some will pick this apart but hey- its just my opinion.
[A different point of view?]
They PR'd a shareholder committee meeting. Of which James is the appointed chairman (I know next question will be why him but lets stick to the topic of this PR).
The PR specifically stated:
[PASTE from PR] CSHD would also like to call an emergency meeting of the shareholders committee via teleconference November 18, 2006 at 5:00 PM. [END PASTE from PR]
So lets look at what the status of the shareholder committee was as of Friday-
James was appointed Chairmen and 100's of shareholders emailed in the shareholder information as requested. So far the committee consists of one appointed person and a bunch of shareholders that sent in the necessary information to be a part of it. Who at no point have been appointed or ever been a part of the committee. Since its still being formed. Those 100's of members will be a part of it as described once it’s a COMMITTEE.
Saturday comes around. Turns out the agenda for the confrence call was HOW to structure the shareholder committee. So having 100's of shareholders dial in was not the intent of the confrence call. It is intended to CREATE the shareholders committee.
At no point did the company or anyone indicate that the purpose of the emergency confrence call was to provide answers to the long awaited questions, solve the mystery of big foot or anything. It was merely to design the structure of the shareholder committee.
The chairmen assigned some shareholder representatives. They dialed in and assisted with the formation of the shareholder committee. How they came up with the names will also remain to be seen. But- they got heads together and started to hash out the shareholder committee. Keep in mind they are still building the shareholder committee. So far- its not complete. Nobody on the committee is left out- nobody that is a shareholder is missing out.
The confrence call goes on and they hammer out the structure and the details of the committee. James puts out a summary of what went on in the meeting. Nothing exciting, none of the answers a lot of you were hoping to see were in there but that wasn't the intent of the confrence call.
Do I think it could have been handled different? Sure. RPH could have just worked out the committee part with James directly and James could have arranged with some peer shareholders to help him in forming the structure of the committee. At least then we wouldn't have had this internet wide strike on everyone being left out of the loop.
I feel the same way everyone else does- I am waiting for the update from the company on current events. That has not taken place yet (It better soon).
Hearing something about 4 MM's from people posting on HSM and Allstocks is merely hearsay. It’s the same thing we have been going through with this stock for quite sometime.
The bottom line is the PR says nothing about EVERYONE dial into the CONF call and its going to be a COMPANY UPDATE. In fact the shareholder meeting is not until December 17th. There is a huge difference between the committee meeting (which isn't formed yet so its merely a few individuals building it) and a SHAREHOLDER meeting.
[PASTE from PR] KENNESAW, Ga., Nov. 17 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation, announces that an emergency shareholders meeting has been called and will be held in Washington, D.C. on December 17, 2006 (30 days from today). The Meeting will be available via tele-conference and video-conference. Each shareholder of record will receive notification via mail. The exact location of the meeting is to be announced upon receipt of the required permits. [END PASTE]
This is just my opinion so take it fwiw. I have read 100's of posts that the company lied and they are screwing you and whatever- that may be the case but it definitely was because of this stupid committee meeting. Perhaps they should have called it "Shareholder committee building team" or something. Then everyone wouldn't have been going bezerk (myself included).
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Seems like any lawyer could take any side on that matter TM. I am not arguing that I approve of how it was handled.
Merely providing another viewpoint. I think James Ghee's updates as well as others that were involved were definately NOT inline with what they should have been.
The problem I think was with the initial PR itself. Not necessarily illegal- just lacking the details and leaving a lot of room for assumptions (I was one of the ones thinking I was going to dial in as well).
If anything the PR should have been worded to indicate that the appointed chairmen of the committee will be having designated shareholders on the call to assist in the building of the committee.
It was far from defined enough for the shareholders to understand the intent, I agree.
Did they break the law? thats up for interpretation.
PR to update the shareholders on the status? Thats what I am waiting for! We are on the same page on that one.
Unless for some absurd reason the companies definition of "important information about the corporation's current status and recent events over the weekend.” is the shareholder committee itself. Perhaps those are the events?
Time will tell- until then as usual I wait
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quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: This whole thing has become quite a joke. Admit it guys.
it's not looking to good right now, there is too much negative IMO. I will wait for tomorrow, if we dont get anything I will sale 50 % of my holdings... and move on.
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I see your point and I don’t think the PR was “illegal”. The problem is that it meets the qualification of being “erroneous” which would be in violation of the injunction.
I give up. My opinion doesn’t matter but I am concerned about how the SEC will view it.
It’s not wonder the bashers have a hay day with this stock. Could we make it any easier for them?
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: Seems like any lawyer could take any side on that matter TM. I am not arguing that I approve of how it was handled.
Merely providing another viewpoint. I think James Ghee's updates as well as others that were involved were definately NOT inline with what they should have been.
The problem I think was with the initial PR itself. Not necessarily illegal- just lacking the details and leaving a lot of room for assumptions (I was one of the ones thinking I was going to dial in as well).
If anything the PR should have been worded to indicate that the appointed chairmen of the committee will be having designated shareholders on the call to assist in the building of the committee.
It was far from defined enough for the shareholders to understand the intent, I agree.
Did they break the law? thats up for interpretation.
PR to update the shareholders on the status? Thats what I am waiting for! We are on the same page on that one.
Unless for some absurd reason the companies definition of "important information about the corporation's current status and recent events over the weekend.” is the shareholder committee itself. Perhaps those are the events?
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Seriously. I have a good amount of money invested in this company, and thought this was the real deal at one point. But no company that is truly legit runs around in circles with delay after delay, and more propaganda then I've ever heard. No Nasdaq big corporation runs around guarenteeing and talking on Subpenny Radio. He said we would hear an update this weekend, well we didn't. He didn't even have a lawyer with him and is now in default. What do shareholders care about? They care about the stock price. Look at where we are, slowly declining every day and now in the .20 range. Keep believing in this as it ends up in subpenny level. If the bonds were real and everything was easily verifiable Rufus should have stepped up to the plate and finished the deal with the SEC. It becomes quite evident that things arent going as planned, and will probably not turn out alright. Unfortunately, I wasn't very smart and invested hoping this would be the investment of a lifetime and change my life. But common sense says that a cast of shady businessmen who have never succeeded in their life, combined with outrageous claims, doesn't make this seems very legit.
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[edit]I agree with your statements TM- I definately don't think your opinion doesn't matter. You provide a good objective view to this entire situation.
If we all just sat around and dreamed about millions we would be worse off.
I do say we need some filings and some real infomration put out. To many cats and dogs loose in this company to not share your concern.
despite the posts about the MM's and the lawyers or whatever I think we are in the same boat as last week- we have a default judgement that NEEDS to be addressed as well as some SEC filings due! Nothing else has been put out officially.
See everyone tomorrow! TM- I hope you stick around. Your insight does matter!
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You bring up a valid point in that Rufus assumes that all shareholders are regular SPR listeners or HSM/Allstocks readers. Do you really think institutional investors want to get there info from Jesuspower or Dogmando.
This all goes back to the root problem of the company, not informing shareholders through conventional ways (PRs). I couldnt even begin to imagine what I would think was going on with this company had it not been for the message boards, because he simply does not release enough PRs to keep us informed. So we have to go on SPR or message boards and try to connect the dots. The ironic part of it all is that Rufus thinks hes doing us a favor by going on SPR or HSM as opposed to releasing PRs.
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