quote:Originally posted by milliam: Doc, sorry to hear that you feel this way. I can understand your frustration and feelings though. The only thing I'd ask is if you're basing these feelings off of the HSM post about talking with Mosley? Its hard to decide on who to believe, but I can't say that I believe all of that 100%.
Good luck to us all!
milliam ...I hope you are right. I think you all know that I feel like we are a family here. The problem is I am not used to being involved in a company that operated like this one. It's getting real worse ... not better. They need to start acting like a real company.
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Most on here are "falling" for the info posted on mesage boards...You can't... What you can depend on is your own DD and the company and their filings. Is the 10Q needed from the company at this time? is the 10Q even "allowed" to be filed given the fact of the investigation? I simply do not know. Required or not, as long as the SEC has not said that "you can not file" IMO...they NEED to, if they can not? Then they should PR that. Not asking for hand holding, only for facts and information from the company, not message board hear say.
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Can someone try to call Moseley and see if the 10Q extension rumor is true? I would myself but I can't at the moment. If you can't get Moseley on the phone, then see if you can get a warm body to confirm what he said.
Also, while you're at it tell them to draw down on a bond and HIRE SOME PEOPLE! WTF!
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Come on guys- wait until you see A FILING! Wait till you see a PR. Wait until you see whats going on in the background.
As I have said on many posts in the last few days lets believe what comes out officially.
Not some guys post on a message board that says he received INSIDER information from the CFO!
If its true then we are in the same boat as you emotionally put yourself into believing it in the first place. If its not true you beat yourself up for nothing.
Good luck to everyone- I don't eat happy pills everyday I just know what to listen to as speculation and what to listen to as gospel.
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All I know is, Mike A specifically stated in the PR, "to only listen to info that comes from him directly". Everyone has to make their own choices, I've made mine and will ride this until the end. GLTA
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great post frank, my feelings as well. Take some time away from this thing, play some other stocks, golf before the weather gets to bad, and hopefully this will work itself out. I understand everyones concerns, I just choose to put my mind on more positive things for the time being... GLTA
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quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: I have always been positive on this however; either Rufus is a lier and/or Mike is a lier or both are. Rufus told all of us that the 10Q was ready to go. Of course it's not. Mike was going to Europe last week. Of course, he still hasn't gone. This to me is looking worse by the day. Someone over at CSHD better start telling us the truth or we better get a Class Action Suite going here. Nothing that they have said is happening now. Not one company officer is in place that was there when most of us invested. Now the new ones are still not doing what they said they were going to do. Yesterday we were told they would comply with the 10Q (half truth).. an extension. Then Mike was going to Europe to do something very important. Yeaaaa. Sorry guys and girls... theyt just lost me and my trust. I won't sell because that would accept the loss. I will just hold till this is all over and then sue the company for whatever can be got. I hope all of you get the most out of this because you are all so wonderful and faithful. I really tried to stay faithful..... but SORRY .... This is al lot oBS coming out of the company. They are starting to look like a bunch of con artists. Nothing but broken promises and lies. I know all of us have done the DD that shows promise but WTF, this is so "Unprofessional" for a corporation to act this way. No PR's ...reports never on time ....when they finally do come out they must be ammended. I can go on and on. I am in this to stay but have no more trust in Mike, Rufus and the rest of these so called officers of the company.
Interesting post...I won't forget it.
Sorry Doc... your being too emotional.
RPH said things you are injecting as FACT after he had left the company. You're a smart guy...would you blindly use a 10Q left behind?...I would not. PLAIN and SIMPLE they do not need to file this at all. The fact that the effort is being put forth is interesting.
So some guy posts on a message board MA is not in the EU. He might not have had to go. We do not know the specifics.
What would you prefer? The company secure your short term valuation then lose it? Or take time to secure your long term valuation.
My trust is in the long term. I don't like all I see and hear. I don't like the situation. But sniping the guys trying to fix the problems will not make you feel better.
Port ... You are right .... I probably am being too emotional. Over the last couple of months I have come to know a lot of you here. I care about and respect ALL of you. It is not just one post that has caused me to feel this way. As I said before, how many times are they going to delay reports and not do what they say. Mike is not in Europe yet. Weren't we told he left the end of last week? I can afford to lose what I might lose ... I have made plenty on other investments. But I also know how many dreams a lot of people here had and it is sickening to me what has happened so far. If anyone here thinks I am bashing, you couldn't be more wrong. I hope I am so so wrong about this. Nothing more has been done with this stockholders committee we voted for (I voted for you)... it seems that nothing happens that is suppose to happen. Maybe I just need a rest. I have lost confidence. I am really sorry. I am not deserting any of you. I am long to stay. I hope the long is a bigger long than it is today.
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Hounding the company will not make them release info. any quicker. We have tried that approach in the past and all it does is cause more confusion. Let's try a new approach, it's called PATIENCE!
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Okay frank -- what is your thinking on how many more waits on a filing we should do? After we see a PR (maybe), how many more are we to wait for? When is enough, enough?
Also, I for one would like to ask you and others not to post messages from other boards, especially tut. I can go to those sites if I'd like. I'm just asking. Straw poll anyone?
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No need to apologize for your post doc, we are all in the same boat. I know what you are saying about peoples hopes and dreams with this stock, hopefully they will still be realized...
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I am not saying wait for 90098098345 filings! I am saying at least wait for something to come out from the COMPANY and base your decisions on that.
They will file and they will PR. Until then getting emotional and throwing your arms up on speculation seems like a waste of energy.
Was an "extension" and "PR" considered insider info?
Yes- anything that comes from a company officer that affects the PPS is right? Perhaps we are more screwd or perhaps its someone trying to shake out some more shares?
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I would encourage you to be a bit more open minded to the idea that when Mike Alexander took over ALL previous VERBAL promises were off.
I'm not saying the 6:1 merger "contract" is off the table, but the "pie in the sky" filing promises are as they were NOT made by Mike.
Ironically, your feelings are similar to the SEC in that they (you) don't have much to complain about with the new management but take issue with past management.
Given the totality of the situation, do you blame Mike Alexander and Randy Moseley from wanting to make sure EVERYTHING is nut tight before signing off on the new or amended filings?
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FWIW - I just got a PM from the gentlemen who posted that on HSM & he said for me to feel free & call myself, he called the number from the website....Of couse I won't be calling...tried that once & was a horrible experience...
He also said he had mixed emotions - he had good feelings & bad feelings -
Good because he felt like it was business as usual because they were going through everything with a fine toothed comb
& Bad because he said Randy couldn't say if the bonds were real or not they were looking into it....(I know, from Tax's posts WITH LINKS, that in fact they are real & that Conversion owns portions of them) so that's what he said again take it FWIW....
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Doc - I understand how you feel. Let me address the shareholders committee. That is on hold until all this stuff with teh SEC and refiling is completed. We want to work closely with MA to get it right. There is nothing we can really do with it right now anyway.
I also think the vast majority of "longs" where long until the short squeeze or reset only. Since this is a short term realization.
I looked to the benefit of the short squeeze to enhance my position in the company. My view of this is 2-3 years down the road. So the drama of today and the PPS to me is opportune. This was in NO WAY my initial position until my DD progressed to where it is today..
Any company can go broke and fold for any number of reasons. We can still lose here! But I am betting we do not in the long run.
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Everone's got to understand- people are getting "ANTSY" because we haven't heard anything from the company, wheather we should hear or not is not the point - it's just how some people feel - Just understand everyone feels differently at this point doesn't mean their not holding but very much entitled to feel a litle uneasy after all this is money we are talking about!!!....some people are more patient than others & that's ok!!!
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quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: thedoctor -
If CSHD goes bankrupt how about you and I head over to Kennesaw, GA and ride off with a couple of Rufus’ thoroughbreds for restitution?
Giddy Up!
LMAO- he took me horseback riding when I was 10 & he was in agony the whole time - He walked Bow legged for a few days
But
I can assure you this doc is the type that WILL be taking a trip down there with you - BELIEVE ME - & he would take more than a few horses he would take a few arms & legs with him too!!!!
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I agree with Portman on this. If a new CEO steps up and is under scrutiny of the SEC. I am sure he is not going to use the filing prepared by the previous CEO who is also under SEC scrutiny.
What according to the complaint got Rufus in trouble? The wording in the filings.
Honestly, who in their right mind is going to say hey the last guy said these were done. Go ahead and file them. I don't need to look at them.
Sounds like an easy way to get your name on the same litigation.
I am not saying that Rufus was wrong, just saying Mike is right to look at them and disect them before filing.
As for Mike being in Europe, or where ever he is supposed to be. It means little to me this day and age. I was in Venezeula this morning, swung by NYC just before lunch, and will be in Washington D.C. listening to SPR tonight. Man I love the Internet.
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Everone's got to understand- people are getting "ANTSY" because we haven't heard anything from the company, wheather we should hear or not is not the point - it's just how some people feel - Just understand everyone feels differently at this point doesn't mean their not holding but very much entitled to feel a litle uneasy after all this is money we are talking about!!!....some people are more patient than others & that's ok!!!
I think people understand that.
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I don't think your being too emotional at all. I just think people are taking this experience too personally and defending Mike & Rufus like they are family. This is a multibillion dollar business not some mom & pop candy store and we should question these actions (or lack there of). If this were any other business or service you paid for and they made all these outrageous promises that they didnt fulfill you wouldnt be 'patient' with them, you'd be in court.
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quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: thedoctor -
I would encourage you to be a bit more open minded to the idea that when Mike Alexander took over ALL previous VERBAL promises were off.
I'm not saying the 6:1 merger "contract" is off the table, but the "pie in the sky" filing promises are as they were NOT made by Mike.
Ironically, your feelings are similar to the SEC in that they (you) don't have much to complain about with the new management but take issue with past management.
Given the totality of the situation, do you blame Mike Alexander and Randy Moseley from wanting to make sure EVERYTHING is nut tight before signing off on the new or amended filings?
Texas ...I don't blame Mike for past problems a all. It's just that we were under the opinion that he was in Europe last Friday and following company's performance...he hasn't left yet. I would like to see someone at corporate keep something on schedule. You know my position. I am long but starting to get pis*ed.
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Oh and as far as the not posting information from other boards! NO WAY would I vote for that. I don't have enough time in the day to sift through all that garbage for the small bits of wisdom. I love the fact that others are doing it with me.
To me that is not DD but it is a nice way to get leads to trails for additional DD. If someone said they heard this... then take it fwiw and then go DD the crap outta it... before you buy the crap outta it!
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Everone's got to understand- people are getting "ANTSY" because we haven't heard anything from the company, wheather we should hear or not is not the point - it's just how some people feel - Just understand everyone feels differently at this point doesn't mean their not holding but very much entitled to feel a litle uneasy after all this is money we are talking about!!!....some people are more patient than others & that's ok!!!
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I understand completey! There are two points that really piss me off.
CSHD should have issued a PR announcing who we retained for Legal Counsel.
CSHD should have issued a PR announcing who we retained for external audits.
By doing this the company tells shareholders we're on top of things. Howevery, NOT doing this leaves us wonder WTF is going on.
Very Lame!
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quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: thedoctor -
I would encourage you to be a bit more open minded to the idea that when Mike Alexander took over ALL previous VERBAL promises were off.
I'm not saying the 6:1 merger "contract" is off the table, but the "pie in the sky" filing promises are as they were NOT made by Mike.
Ironically, your feelings are similar to the SEC in that they (you) don't have much to complain about with the new management but take issue with past management.
Given the totality of the situation, do you blame Mike Alexander and Randy Moseley from wanting to make sure EVERYTHING is nut tight before signing off on the new or amended filings?
Texas ...I don't blame Mike for past problems a all. It's just that we were under the opinion that he was in Europe last Friday and following company's performance...he hasn't left yet. I would like to see someone at corporate keep something on schedule. You know my position. I am long but starting to get pis*ed.
quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: I understand completey! There are two points that really piss me off.
CSHD should have issued a PR announcing who we retained for Legal Counsel.
CSHD should have issued a PR announcing who we retained for external audits.
By doing this the company tells shareholders we're on top of things. Howevery, NOT doing this leaves us wonder WTF is going on.
Very Lame!
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quote:Originally posted by TexasMoney: thedoctor -
I would encourage you to be a bit more open minded to the idea that when Mike Alexander took over ALL previous VERBAL promises were off.
I'm not saying the 6:1 merger "contract" is off the table, but the "pie in the sky" filing promises are as they were NOT made by Mike.
Ironically, your feelings are similar to the SEC in that they (you) don't have much to complain about with the new management but take issue with past management.
Given the totality of the situation, do you blame Mike Alexander and Randy Moseley from wanting to make sure EVERYTHING is nut tight before signing off on the new or amended filings?
Texas ...I don't blame Mike for past problems a all. It's just that we were under the opinion that he was in Europe last Friday and following company's performance...he hasn't left yet. I would like to see someone at corporate keep something on schedule. You know my position. I am long but starting to get pis*ed.
your right on the recieving pr's, but putting out pr's is not mikes strong point, when fhal was purchasing thier shares from the open market, they did not pr that, and because of that, they lost an auditor.. lets hope he is smarter because of that..
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I don't think your being too emotional at all. I just think people are taking this experience too personally and defending Mike & Rufus like they are family. This is a multibillion dollar business not some mom & pop candy store and we should question these actions (or lack there of). If this were any other business or service you paid for and they made all these outrageous promises that they didnt fulfill you wouldnt be 'patient' with them, you'd be in court.
I agree! the price has fallen everyday since the suspension was lifted! yet no OFFICIAL word from the company on what is happening! NOT the way a multi billion dollar company ( alledgedly! ) would be handling this situation! IMO!. apparently there will be no filing on the 15th as many beleived/hoped! low volume today, sell off tomarrow? who knows! if the filing is delayed they realy need to PR the reason or this will be under a dime by friday! JM(PO`d)O!!
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