Originally Posted by CaptainSolo Almost there! I feel like a spoiled brat waiting for Santa Claus on Christmas Eve! ( I ALWAYS got what ever I wanted, and I usually stii do!)
Better watch out Better not cry Better be good I'm tellin you why
Rufus Claus is a commin to town.
He's made his NOBO list and checked it twice the MM's been naugty and the Share holders nice Rufus claus is commin to town
With a big 10K, and reset too Gonna leave the shortiew, covered in poo Rufus claus is commin to town
He know if you been shorting He know's if you have bashed he'll take care of all us longs with great big bags of cash!!!
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Good morning everyone.
With Monday now right around the corner, I'm trying to play through various scenarios and what I would do in response to them. The overriding question I have still has to do with MM manipulation. "IF" we don't go to Nas, then MM's will still be in full control, correct? My concern is based on history...where a 200 share sale drops the price .05 -.10 for no reason. If this does reset to $15, and if MM's are still in control, I can see this thing dropping to $2 again in a matter of 30 minutes. This stock in my opinion is already undervalued, but that doesn't seem to bother them at all. At $15, I'm sure it still wouldn't bother them, so why not drop it as well. I know Rufus indicates that they have people ready to buy, but for some reason, I don't find a lot of comfort in that. Does anyone know of any history where a reset has taken place and institutional buyers came to the rescue to hold the price? Rufus has opened up a can of worms with these MM's on naked shorting...maybe they have an ax to grind with Rufus.
Anyway, not bashing at all, but these are the questions that keep going through my mind. Any thought???
Good questions Vin...I have been running these and others through my head for days / weeks. I believe the key will be going to the Nasdaq, in which case the shorts have 24 or 48 hours to cover. I do believe there will be additional PR's put out shortly. For example, there is some verbal discussion from the company of 5+ billion more in bond assets that have not been 8-K'd (FWIW). That would bring us to the 15 billion dollar (book value) amount that was mentioned (briefly) during the SPR interview last week.
I have even thought about the forward split scenario that Doc put out there. They could say that we will receive additional shares if we held shares on the date of the announcement and on a date in the future (say 2 weeks). This would prevent most current shareholders from selling at re-set. Rufus did say the other night that he could see this stock splitting multiple times.
One thing to think of...Rufas and company do not seem to be terribly worried about things after the re-set. They almost seem giddy about what is about to happen. We will know a lot more tomorrow. We have trusted CSHD up to now...we might just have to do it again.
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OK St. Matt, Vin, Doc, and Ryan, now I think you are all are closer to a rule following senario that I can buy into.
First and foremost Vin the 10-K alone will make a difference when it comes to smart money entering the game. Most investment software and alert programs are attuned to looking for Audited financials filed in the yearly 10-K and quarterly 10Q than anything posted in an 8K. Once that 10-K gets filed alot of eyes will get opened by alot of investors both big and small. Frankly, the numbers for FHAL were poor at best, and these numbers changing on Monday to reflect CSHD and their assets will be something to bank on. Follow it up immediatly with a Reset. Then you throw in a PR talking about NASDAQ qualification, and a possible listing in say 30 to 60 days. Last you throw in a PR annoucement of a forward split or dividend justifying the book value and give everyone 10 days notice.
That would would insure very few sales following reset since all will wait on their new shares, and speculation of a 30 day play to NASDAQ.
Stretching things out a bit, but providing short term holders reason to become long term holders. Gives the shorts a hard deadline to cover before NASDAQ and a chance to do so before a forward split. Causing a short squeeze that eleveates the reset. Additionally, it plays by the rules, is great for us long term shareholders and the company as a whole.
Ryan, use milk on those Cheerios buddy, it tastes better.
What ever the senario I have full confidence that Rufus's plan begins tomorrow.
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quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: OK St. Matt, Vin, Doc, and Ryan, now I think you are all are closer to a rule following senario that I can buy into.
First and foremost Vin the 10-K alone will make a difference when it comes to smart money entering the game. Most investment software and alert programs are attuned to looking for Audited financials filed in the yearly 10-K and quarterly 10Q than anything posted in an 8K. Once that 10-K gets filed alot of eyes will get opened by alot of investors both big and small. Frankly, the numbers for FHAL were poor at best, and these numbers changing on Monday to reflect CSHD and their assets will be something to bank on. Follow it up immediatly with a Reset. Then you throw in a PR talking about NASDAQ qualification, and a possible listing in say 30 to 60 days. Last you throw in a PR annoucement of a forward split or dividend justifying the book value and give everyone 10 days notice.
That would would insure very few sales following reset since all will wait on their new shares, and speculation of a 30 day play to NASDAQ.
Stretching things out a bit, but providing short term holders reason to become long term holders. Gives the shorts a hard deadline to cover before NASDAQ and a chance to do so before a forward split. Causing a short squeeze that eleveates the reset. Additionally, it plays by the rules, is great for us long term shareholders and the company as a whole.
Ryan, use milk on those Cheerios buddy, it tastes better.
What ever the senario I have full confidence that Rufus's plan begins tomorrow.
Didn't rufus say something along the lines of nasdaq, prs, 10k, etc all in one fell swoop. Which leads me to believe that we'll be on the nasdaq shortly. Why would there even be a 30 day wait?
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They would have an "E" added to their symbol until the file...but Rufus, Sabra and all have said that they will be compliant...they will file...
Ace...the reset means that they will "stop the trading" and adjust their PPS according to their new assets and restart the trading... What happens after that is up to the market...and the view of the investors (as far as up or down)...we are hopin' for UP! Wally posted a link as far as the type of "halts" about 4 pages back in this thread...
quote:Originally posted by beatheodds: What is the penality of not posting the 10K tomorrow?
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quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: OK St. Matt, Vin, Doc, and Ryan, now I think you are all are closer to a rule following senario that I can buy into.
First and foremost Vin the 10-K alone will make a difference when it comes to smart money entering the game. Most investment software and alert programs are attuned to looking for Audited financials filed in the yearly 10-K and quarterly 10Q than anything posted in an 8K. Once that 10-K gets filed alot of eyes will get opened by alot of investors both big and small. Frankly, the numbers for FHAL were poor at best, and these numbers changing on Monday to reflect CSHD and their assets will be something to bank on. Follow it up immediatly with a Reset. Then you throw in a PR talking about NASDAQ qualification, and a possible listing in say 30 to 60 days. Last you throw in a PR annoucement of a forward split or dividend justifying the book value and give everyone 10 days notice.
That would would insure very few sales following reset since all will wait on their new shares, and speculation of a 30 day play to NASDAQ.
Stretching things out a bit, but providing short term holders reason to become long term holders. Gives the shorts a hard deadline to cover before NASDAQ and a chance to do so before a forward split. Causing a short squeeze that eleveates the reset. Additionally, it plays by the rules, is great for us long term shareholders and the company as a whole.
Ryan, use milk on those Cheerios buddy, it tastes better.
What ever the senario I have full confidence that Rufus's plan begins tomorrow.
Tax, this is exactly what I have been thinking for several weeks. I'm not real worried because I know Rufus has a plan and he is very confident it will work. GLTY and is it Monday yet!
quote:Originally posted by beatheodds: What is the penality of not posting the 10K tomorrow?
Not going to happen...but to answer your question, they get an "E" added to their symbol and the road back to being a Nasdaq stock gets a lot tougher.
They have promised (many times) that they will meet the deadline and Monday will make us all happy. Don't know about you...but I plan on doing a happy dance at my desk tomorrow (to borrow a phrase from Tax).
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. Here's a scenario I haven't really thought about...how great would it be that the exact opposite occured, great 10k and everyone held after reset! Can you imagine the impact on the PPS then. Ok, it's dreamland, but it's fun to think about!
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vin I don't think its dreamland. I plan on holding. The 10K will give investors that much more reason to hold.
I am sure some people will sell a % of their shares but I sure wouldn't want to be the person that sold all and then missed the boat to da moon.. LOL Had to throw that in there.
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quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Didn't rufus say something along the lines of nasdaq, prs, 10k, etc all in one fell swoop. Which leads me to believe that we'll be on the nasdaq shortly. Why would there even be a 30 day wait?
Igor R ~ I think going to NASDAQ is and always has been CSHD's goal, but there are rules that have to be followed, and Rufas or any CEO for that matter have to play by those rules. We have been looking for 2 months now for any example of a reverse merger where the company went directly to the larger exchange with very little luck. (I will admit that it is dificult to tell this information historically unless it is filed with the SEC. Heck finding the reverse mergers themselves is difficult.) This is not the type of information that is visible on a chart or in historical pricing so scanners are of little help locating them.
I have personally watched two companies "go public" via IPO from the inside. I do know the reverse merger method is easier, cheaper, and faster, but I honestly do not know how much leverage they buy by going public via reverse merger.
What I do know is that there are strict rules to listing on NASDAQ. Both in corporate communication of the event, and formal listing requirements. How fast Rufus can move CSHD to NASDAQ probably is not limited by how fast he wants his company listed, but more likely how fast all requirements can be met and marked satisfied by NASDAQ.
Rufas at one point early on mentioned a possible NASDAQ listing following 30 to 60 days after the reset. Granted this was back when he anticipated the 10-K and Reset on Aug 1st, but I honestly think this was a good estimate of time Rufus felt it would take to meet the NASDAQ requirements.
I do not plan on seeing this security on NASDAQ next week, but if by some crazy loophole of wonderful genius pre-planning by Rufus that is does. I am not going to be upset. Not one little bit.
Just not expecting it.
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quote:Originally posted by Vin: Thanks for the feedback everyone. Here's a scenario I haven't really thought about...how great would it be that the exact opposite occured, great 10k and everyone held after reset! Can you imagine the impact on the PPS then. Ok, it's dreamland, but it's fun to think about!
Vin...This is what I'm hoping for...really! Think about how high the share price would go to if we had a great 10-K, a couple PR's about new bonds, JV's, etc., a PPS re-set and a move to Nasdaq and none of us sold our shares...with the pending short squeeze and the institutions wanting to get in on this, we could shoot to the moon. Let's spread the word.
Let's create a scenario like the war scene in Braveheart when the enemy is bearing down on them and Mel Gibson is saying "Hold it...hold it...hold it". An then, once we get to $300 per share, we all release the hounds at once while shouting......"F-R-E-E-D-O-M-!!!".
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One thing you guys don't realize. The 10k is not going to be "great" in a sense because its just the same as the 8k with the audited financials up until the 30th of June. We already know 95% of what will be in it.
What we need to be great is what follows the 10k, the 10q, reset, nasdaq, etc.
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Hi everyone, doing some reading on Nas listing while watching the Chargers-49ers. Dont know if it was posted before but heres the link. http://www.nasdaq.com/about/LegalComplianceFAQs.stmPosts: 478 | From: Palm Desert, Ca. U.S.A. | Registered: Nov 2004
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quote:Originally posted by redmax: One thing you guys don't realize. The 10k is not going to be "great" in a sense because its just the same as the 8k with the audited financials up until the 30th of June. We already know 95% of what will be in it.
What we need to be great is what follows the 10k, the 10q, reset, nasdaq, etc.
Yeah you're prolly right Redmax. The 10K will only cover things that we already know and have speculated on... the only thing different is that it will have AUDITED finacials with the SEC, further VERIFICATION of the bonds CSHD holds, maybe a few other GOODIES we haven't yet found out about, and will only usher in the move to the NASDAQ... I guess now that I think about it... I could care less... ROFL!!!
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The 10k has to come out Monday to be in compliance with the SEC. Rufus said they will have it done by monday. All the 10k will be is the same audited financials we got in the 8k 2 weeks ago plus information abotu salaries, etc. What we really need is the 10q which will have the happens after June 30th. This could come any time between now and Nov 15th.
I have a feeling they will release almost everything at once. 10k, 10q, halt nasdaq, maybe divi, and reset
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quote:Originally posted by bigstocks: Read the threads.
"Read the Threads" thats brilliant !
The whole point of asking a question is so that someone that already knows the answer, can politely save me some time, and answer it...Like the person before your post Posts: 2321 | Registered: Aug 2006
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Ace, I think that if you simply read the last 4-5 pages then you will get a small bit of what is going on with this particular play.
Share holders have been promised the 10k by tomorrow...they have claimed that they will be compliant. In order to understand everything you will unfortuately have to read the 8K's that have been filed since June. I am sure that it would be easier for you to "listen" to what all of our answers are...but good DD shouldn't be placed on a posters "word"...You should never invest just because someone said so... read the 8K's from June on...and GLTY.
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Then you could ask the question why do you believe that and on and on..
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I'm a semi-fast reader. I might as well read the whole thread. I traded this twice as a day trade without realy knowing anything about it, becasue it was realy flying. But I'll read the thread and see how it does Monday Morning.
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Ace there are four other threads before this one that go back about two months if your really feel ambitious. GLTA
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Tax I tried milk this morning much better. Ok ready for this one. This is a long shot also. Last week rufus said they were waiting on a document that would put an end to naked shorting on cshd. What if it was exceptance to be listed on the nasdaq after the release of the 10k. How do you like that for dreaming
quote:Originally posted by redmax: One thing you guys don't realize. The 10k is not going to be "great" in a sense because its just the same as the 8k with the audited financials up until the 30th of June. We already know 95% of what will be in it.
What we need to be great is what follows the 10k, the 10q, reset, nasdaq, etc.
I think we are ALL aware of the contents of the 10-K and if you don't believe almost a Billion in assets compared with the last 10Q that shows a near bankrupt company is not "Great" well you need to lower your standards a bit.
Just because it shows everything we are all aware of does not mean that it will not make a BIG impact on the rest of the world when they see it. Only durring research do you comb through the 8K's of a company to see the recent material events have happened.
10-K and 10KSB's are yearly snapshots and are much more useful when making a long term investment choices. This is the main reason the numbers from these documents are used for the company prospectus.
Granted, us shareholders will not find this as a perfect buy-in point, but I think you will be surprised by how many other investors will show up for the sole reason that this long awaited is finally filed. A 10-K in the cabinet lowers the risk factor by a factor of ten easy. Not to mention it will be yet another of Rufus's promises that will come true leaving the bashers and shortie in the wind.
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ok betting time. This is just out of curiosity. Doesn't matter the time of day. Who thinks they will file the 10k tomorrow? Are you 50/50, 90/10. Right now I'd say I'm 70/30 at the moment maybe more like 80/20 that they will file tomorrow.
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Tax I tried milk this morning much better. Ok ready for this one. This is a long shot also. Last week rufus said they were waiting on a document that would put an end to naked shorting on cshd. What if it was exceptance to be listed on the nasdaq after the release of the 10k. How do you like that for dreaming
I did not say instant listing was not possible... just not high on my expectations. It would be HUGE if he pulled that off. Blowing the freaking ceiling off this stock and making other seemingly unreachable goals like a PPS in the hundreds "very" possible.
Enjoy your Cheerios... and the lofty dreams.
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quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: ok betting time. This is just out of curiosity. Doesn't matter the time of day. Who thinks they will file the 10k tomorrow? Are you 50/50, 90/10. Right now I'd say I'm 70/30 at the moment maybe more like 80/20 that they will file tomorrow.
Me 100/0 I think they will have it out pretty early.
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