Hi there Lets hope this is the thread of all threads that leads us to the promise land.
God bless this thread and everyone here.
Posted by Jenna on :
I love the TOPIC TITLE 10!
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Oooh, oooh can I be the first one to post in here?
(after 10of13, that is)
Jo
Edited to add: Man you guys are fast. I tried to be first, but there's already a bunch of you ahead of me. Guess I'll just have to post THIS in the new thread to go with the new title.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Hello new thread..........someone get a hammer to break the 2.88 level
Posted by CRab on :
tapping on 2.88 again...
Posted by SherriT on :
Ooh Ooh I wanna be on page 1! I'm ready to see a 10K to whoop and holler about...
Posted by a surfer on :
can we break 88 chart
Posted by SherriT on :
Jo, I think you and I must have had something similar at lunch... Posted by 10of13 on :
Posted by BB as the Rufus dance!
Posted by a surfer on :
need Reagan for that wall
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.88 ISN'T GOING DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT!
opp, caps lock he he
Posted by betting babe on :
everybody do the rufus dance!
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LET'S BREAK THIS WALL WOOOOT WOOOOOT!
cmon baby throw me triple dollas!
new thread new highs let's see em let's get 'er done!!!
~BB
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
no trades for 4 minutes...MM's staring one another down ?...maybe my streamer's stuck ?
Posted by $$$bill on :
i gotta write something on the first page!!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
agh..... looking dippy....
Little volume can turn that around,.... In the words of a famous CEO...
"BUY THE CRAP OUT OF IT!!!" Posted by RyanPBF on :
ok I made it to page 1 woo hoo.
Posted by CRab on :
anyone know anything about the plane that just crashed in New York?
just walked back into my office and saw it on a lobby news feed?
E. 71st...small plane...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
huh? plane crash hadn't heard yet. I just got back to my office though
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
So we got another new thread... Nice title 10!
Posted by Jenna on :
I got CNN on a helicopter hit a building in NYC.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Sounds like..Fox News Channel is reporting a helicopter (perhaps a news helicopter) has crashed into some kind of high rise residential building.....
quote:Originally posted by CRab: anyone know anything about the plane that just crashed in New York?
just walked back into my office and saw it on a lobby news feed?
Posted by Jenna on :
an apartment building in Manhattan, Laguardia closed down.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
2.8 x 2.90
Posted by mathis on :
how the l2s look now after the 2.88 wall is down
Posted by djg7 on :
It was a multi engine small plane not a helicopter according to NYPD reported by CNN.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
who used the the hammer to make $2.90?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Saying it was a chopper.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
they're saying not sure if it was a helicopter or small plane and it does look like an apartment building on the upper east side.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
now hopefully we can retest 2.88 and then on to $2.97 (11:10 AM high)
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
2.90 x 2.91
Posted by CRab on :
BB you cool?
Posted by djg7 on :
Confirmed a multi engine small plane.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
how are looking for eod chart.
Posted by portman on :
run run run run ruuuuunnnnnnn
Posted by betting babe on :
im cool thx
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well I really hope no one was home when that hit. I heard there are people trapped in the building in the upper floors. Still to earlier to see about any casulties. I don't think that the FDNY has gotten there yet.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
bounced back a bit...
Posted by betting babe on :
fdny is there, one building hit 3 on fire, hi rises tho so yeah people are trapped. waiting for work on type of plane?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Ryan, if we can stay above that 2.88 we have a better shot at seeing $3 IMO
but it looks like we'll retest our 2.80 support ~ sigh ~
Posted by 10of13 on :
BB...is the accident close to you?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
BB, hoping for the best for them...
Posted by CRab on :
yeah i think when i saw it on CNN walking in, it had just happened...
Posted by Vin on :
Looks like they're getting it under control. I see water being sprayed from the inside. Looks like two floors involved.
Posted by betting babe on :
looks like an accident, looks like most everyone is gonna be fine. scary flashback, i had to turn the news off.
GROUP HUG
....we now continue with our regularly scheduled stock run...
LET'S SEE AN EOD RUN BABY MOOOOOOOOVE IT!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Vin, good, I hate to see anyone have something bad happen to them.
Mean while, -back as the ranch..... CSHD is sneaking up on 2.88 AGAIN...
Posted by cassity on :
Come on people, let's get this to $4. Move IT!!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Come on people, let's get this to $4. Move IT!!!!
I second that Cassity
Posted by Danny_K on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Come on people, let's get this to $4. Move IT!!!!
I second that Cassity
I third that.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I'd be happy with a EOD at $3
If we can use that 2.88 as a springboard, wish it wouldn't of breached that support!
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
From the FWIW department this afternoon,,,,tut-eister has made two posts today on HSM.(on two differnt CSHD threads)...tut has now made enough posts their that they (HSM) has up'ed his status from Newbie to Regular......and the "drama" contiues.....
Today, 04:11 AM #16501 tutankhamen HSM Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 249 You know tonight's radio show was actually quite a surprise to me that some of you, not all of you did not hear the message I was trying to convey. I may know a lot more than I speak about based on our due diligence but unless it is finally released by the company to confirm our assessment of what we believe may happen it is not my place to say anything because then it can be construed in the wrong way. If you were all looking for that juicy inside information that would make your day you have no idea how that kind of information, if we had it would really destroy your day. We don't have that inside information for you and even if we did we could not disclose it. We have the same information as you but we also analyze it from more perspectives. It is now up to Rufus to provide the final piece to complete the picture and we feel it is now that close.
My only goal was to help you be able to open your own eyes to the full potential of what this company has to offer you. In my presentation tonight I was only trying to help you realize that what this company has to offer you is potentially beyond your wildest dreams and you are lucky enough to be a part of it and my wish was only that you are around long enough to be able to benefit yourselves and those close to you and better your own lives in the process. You already have done your due diligence very carefully and you made your decisions based on that and that is why you are here.
To all the supporters and shareholders I sincerely wish all the best and that is all I can say. To those that have stood strong and held through all of this you deserve the best and we wish you the best this company has to offer you. http://www. hot stock market.com/forums/showthread.php?p=788360#post788360
Posted by CRab on :
jeesum...look at the line up at $3.00
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Another new board...Jeesh! It is easier to keep up with instead of 500 pages...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
not a peep out of Rufus.....
He must REALLY have something to unload on everyone along with that 10k IMO
Hate to sound greedy, but...
"Come on EOD run!!!
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
If you were all looking for that juicy inside information that would make your day you have no idea how that kind of information, if we had it would really destroy your day.
Um huh? It would destroy your day? 10-K not coming on time?
Posted by cassity on :
13 mm's at $3. A lot of them I have never seen play this before. I think that the mm's are keeping this away from that on purpose! We hit it and I think we fly! JMO
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: If you were all looking for that juicy inside information that would make your day you have no idea how that kind of information, if we had it would really destroy your day.
Um huh? It would destroy your day? 10-K not coming on time?
I think he meant it like we would be trading on insider information and not have the opportunity to make the gains we have coming currently. JMO.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: 13 mm's at $3. A lot of them I have never seen play this before. I think that the mm's are keeping this away from that on purpose! We hit it and I think we fly! JMO
yes.... I'd like to get there!
3of4 pos!
Posted by dog on :
Tut saying that if he had insider info and released it ...it would cause big problems for the company and stock.
Posted by a surfer on :
some institutions allow buying after $3.00 correct..
Posted by Chartwalker on :
P.O. sh*t!
what MM is doing this?... NITE?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
all neg..... bs ~~~
support at 2.80
Posted by dog on :
NITE has/is covering in a big way for the last month...
Posted by cassity on :
bid support building and ask is thining!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2 pos...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
3 pos...
Posted by Jenna on :
CNN saying that gov thinks it is accident in NYC but are putting up Fighter Jets in several cities but for the benefit of the doubt they will be safe & they will not tell which cities they will be flying over.
Posted by CRab on :
41k trans at 2.82 which was the bid...
Posted by Jenna on :
DC police on Notice......
Posted by Chartwalker on :
even being up over 7% this still sucks imo..... testing 2.75 support...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.70 is the next one...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
man that bid side looks ugly
Posted by Jenna on :
Guys- 10K due in 3 Days - counting down!!!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.64 is next support........ Posted by Jenna on :
It's ok - we'll close * 2.82
Posted by Chartwalker on :
3pos...
Posted by dog on :
2.78
Posted by dog on :
That's right... load up QUIN.
Northwestern Mutual wants more shares.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.70
Posted by 10of13 on :
Rat Blaztards are makin' sure we close red... Give it up guys...you all are going to just have to cover...tick tock... C'mon Rufus give us what we need!
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Northwestern Mutual is a long historied, very conservatively managed insurance and financial products company, more than 100 years as a mutual insurance company.....they always are able to maintain and increase dividends....I would call them an "institution". My insurance coverage is with them and has been since 1974....FWIW
Posted by RyanPBF on :
it appears that they are still able to manipulate this at will.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
wish the freaking bell would RING already!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.64 support...
Posted by bigstocks on :
Rat Blaztards are makin' sure we close red... Give it up guys...you all are going to just have to cover...tick tock... C'mon Rufus give us what we need!
No BB will post the dance again. Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: Northwestern Mutual is a long historied, very conservatively managed insurance and financial products company, more than 100 years as a mutual insurance company.....they always are able to maintain and increase dividends....I would call them an "institution". My insurance coverage is with them and has been since 1974....FWIW
Agreed.. institutional buyer.
Have my life insurance and long play stuff with them as well.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
this sucks big time down what .30+ from our HOD. I'm sure that looks good.
Posted by new2stocks on :
STAY GREEN!!!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well, we are GREEN.... .77%
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I never wish bad on anyone but I really hope these guys get whats coming to them.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well the good news is that it does sound like the tide is changing, with more stocks now asking for the NOBO list, that would tick me off if I was a MM Posted by bigstocks on :
My feelings exactly.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
One day closer people.... Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: well the good news is that it does sound like the tide is changing, with more stocks now asking for the NOBO list, that would tick me off if I was a MM
Yep, I noticed that too. Until a few weeks ago I never heard of the NOBO, Now everyone's doing it.
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: One day closer people....
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: It's ok - we'll close * 2.82
I guess I was a bit to optomistic!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: It's ok - we'll close * 2.82
I guess I was a bit to optomistic!
DON'T ever change!!! Posted by new2stocks on :
Today, 03:11 PM #1556 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 250 I just talked with Ben for all you shareholders and was told we will "meet the deadline and no E" and everything is still expected with "one fell swoop".
FWIW
Posted by cassity on :
FWIW (several others claim the same):
Today, 04:11 PM #1556 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 250 I just talked with Ben for all you shareholders and was told we will "meet the deadline and no E" and everything is still expected with "one fell swoop".
Posted by cassity on :
new2, you little $^&%^&^*&. J/K I'm getting slow in my old age!
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
I'm in no mans land now...I want it to go up up up but it didn't go down ENOUGH for me to buy more today and I want more.
I'll have to see what tomorrow brings.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: new2, you little $^&%^&^*&. J/K I'm getting slow in my old age!
Sorry! Posted by 10of13 on :
Hey OLD man...how does it feel? LOL!
New2 says, Tut says, Ben says...just bring it on already! ACTIONS SPEAK MUCH LOUDER THAN WORDS!
quote:Originally posted by cassity: new2, you little $^&%^&^*&. J/K I'm getting slow in my old age!
Posted by new2stocks on :
I agree 10....it is time to let 'er fly already!!!
Posted by thecon00 on :
AzGunn New Member
Rate Member posted October 11, 2006 13:57 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just an FYI
Nasdaq `Threshold' Securities for Oct. 10 (Table) By Wendy Allard Oct. 11 (Bloomberg) -- The following is a list of ``threshold securities'' from the Nasdaq Stock Market, published daily in compliance with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission's Regulation SHO.
The list consists of stocks for which sellers failed to deliver 10,000 shares or more in the past five trading days and the level of ``fails'' is a minimum of 0.5 percent of the shares outstanding. # of Consecutive days on the list: CSHD - Conversion Solutions Holdings - 45 days
anyone know why we still don't fall under Rule 3210
Posted by RichBy26 on :
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 250 I just talked with Ben for all you shareholders and was told we will "meet the deadline and no E" and everything is still expected with "one fell swoop".
FWIW
Well, that was what Ben said before the extension too. I'm tired of all the talk, I think we all deserve the 10K/reset already.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Unfortunately, I'm starting to doubt now. This is becoming ridicolous. All talk from Rufus and Tut, and nothing substantial. 5billion raised for repbulican party and 9/11 cleanup by Rufus...where's there any evidence behind it. So many claims, but not producing. Whose to say Rufus doesnt have a million buddies who bought in low and sold high at these levels for him.
Posted by NEL on :
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Posted by wadeinni on :
FYI
in case some of us didn't hear. a small plane crashed into an NYC apartment building. Now lets see if Rufus keeps pushing back the 10K and reset, cause I'm starting to doubt too, but still hanging on to some free shares. Posted by $$$bill on :
all of my savings is in this chit
Posted by wadeinni on :
quote:Originally posted by $$$bill: all of my savings is in this chit
Whoa!! $$$bill, not good bro. I hope you've been able to do some flipping and protect your original investment. GLTY
Posted by sugarsmack on :
HSM shutting down FYI
Posted by RichBy26 on :
$$$bill, I am not saying that I doubt this will happen, heck I ordered 10K shares in a cert last week. All I'm saying is that a lot of good people are bailing and missing out on a great opportunity because the MMs are having a field day with the PPS while we wait for the 10K. I would however listen to wadeinne and protect your capital just incase chit hits the fan...
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by sugarsmack: HSM shutting down FYI
yeah I guess they can't behave themselves in there. lol
Posted by 10of13 on :
Any reason why?
quote:Originally posted by sugarsmack: HSM shutting down FYI
Posted by dog on :
HSM getting heated and foolish... they are cooling it off for awhile.
Posted by betting babe on :
shutting it down? cant they just moderate it?
Posted by sugarsmack on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Any reason why?
quote:Originally posted by sugarsmack: HSM shutting down FYI
oh...the usual Posted by a surfer on :
The average age on the CSHD thread on HSM is prob. 17.. LOL.
I Like peeking in over there but can't handle it for long.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Rufus doesn't keep changing the 10k date....
It's Monday at the latest and it looks like we have a call from Ben saying there won't be a delay!
Watch out people... Wolves running around saying the sky is falling, they are looking to add more cheap shares to THEIR collection!
IMO ~~
Posted by betting babe on :
it was cory lidle, yankees pitcher in the plane today.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: it was cory lidle, yankees pitcher in the plane today.
Horrible....
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Unfortunately, I'm starting to doubt now. This is becoming ridicolous. All talk from Rufus and Tut, and nothing substantial. 5billion raised for repbulican party and 9/11 cleanup by Rufus...where's there any evidence behind it. So many claims, but not producing. Whose to say Rufus doesnt have a million buddies who bought in low and sold high at these levels for him.
Sorry Stock I really do not sufer complainers well...I see too many people here who need hand holding...If you cannot see the forest for the trees please sell. Posted by dog on :
Today was Wednesday people...... lots of time left until EOD Monday.
A CSHDE would kill the Nasdaq move... Rufus won't allow it.
We have audited financials that support current PPS and higher....
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Today was Wednesday people...... lots of time left until EOD Monday.
A CSHDE would kill the Nasdaq move... Rufus won't allow it.
We have audited financials that support current PPS and higher....
Exactly.. Keep the faith.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
DITTO .
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by dog: Today was Wednesday people...... lots of time left until EOD Monday.
A CSHDE would kill the Nasdaq move... Rufus won't allow it.
We have audited financials that support current PPS and higher....
Exactly.. Keep the faith.
Posted by betting babe on :
no way do i see us getting an E.
Posted by maddie19 on :
Question - does anyone know if they can request another extension for the 10k? or does it have to be submitted by Monday?
Posted by CRab on :
no they cannot file another extension...
Posted by 10of13 on :
I have not seen any other stock request any kind of extension...although there may be something...but at this point it would mean that CSHD would have an "E" added until they file... I do not see that happening because it would risk the chances of going to the NASDAQ
quote:Originally posted by maddie19: Question - does anyone know if they can request another extension for the 10k? or does it have to be submitted by Monday?
Posted by dog on :
Merrill looks to be quite excited about this stock... word is that they are thinking of putting a MM in on this, especially with a move to NASDAQ.
Merrill has been in touch with Integrity Stock Transfer to insure disclosure and validity of all shares. Integrity confirmed mine....
Don't put too much stock on ADP list... often full of errors and manipulation.
Institutions are buying in now.... we know this.
How many "penny stocks" have institutional investors showing up? How many have large brokerages interested in the stock? How many have held PPS with 45 days on SHO list with repeated onslaughts and threats from bashers and SEC scrutiny?
Not many..... everyone is starting to see that this is not a "normal" stock... particularly for the pennies.
Is it %100 what we hope it is? Dunno.... remains to be seen. However, it is currently undervalued....
If you're scared... you can get out... no problem.
Posted by CRab on :
its nice to have a full service broker, lol...
Posted by GreenDay on :
Dog - I know we had one instutional buy about a week ago. Was there more yet?
Posted by a surfer on :
Obviously rufus has had contact with merril. I.E. his words on subpenny but where did you get that info dog.??
Posted by dog on :
Talked with my broker today... he has called Integrity twice. Unless he is lying... he says ML all good with the transfer agent. Certs not necessary, but I can get if I want. They will hold stock in my name if I want... but it would cost $2500 a year for this service. I would still be able to trade as normal. I may do this once the 10K pops. I have enough shares that may make it worth the extra money.
My broker is aware of CSHD... the Ecowood deal... etc.
He has been doing a lot of DD... which is kind of surprising. He thinks that this thing is going gangbusters if it moves to Nasdaq. "The short situation on this is ridiculous."
He is doing further research within the company to see if they are involved in any way. According to him... the "higher ups" are "aware of this stock." I have no idea what this means... he may be giving me a line... but he knows a lot about this stock after one week and continues to ask me insightful questions.
I'll keep you posted.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Its not off.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Why do you think HSM is off ?
Posted by dog on :
It's back... they got a timeout.
Posted by bigstocks on :
Lol dog, I dont even have kids and thats funny. Posted by tyleemary on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Today was Wednesday people...... lots of time left until EOD Monday.
A CSHDE would kill the Nasdaq move... Rufus won't allow it.
We have audited financials that support current PPS and higher....
quote:Originally posted by tyleemary: [QUOTE]Originally posted by dog: Today was Wednesday people...... lots of time left until EOD Monday.
A CSHDE would kill the Nasdaq move... Rufus won't allow it.
We have audited financials that support current PPS and higher....
Can I see them please?
See last 8k in the EDGAR system.
Posted by Tyraid on :
Thank you.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by portman: [QUOTE]Originally posted by stocktrader22: [qb] Unfortunately, I'm starting to doubt now. This is becoming ridicolous. All talk from Rufus and Tut, and nothing substantial. 5billion raised for repbulican party and 9/11 cleanup by Rufus...where's there any evidence behind it. So many claims, but not producing. Whose to say Rufus doesnt have a million buddies who bought in low and sold high at these levels for him.
Sorry Stock I really do not sufer complainers well...I see too many people here who need hand holding...If you cannot see the forest for the trees please sell.
Port, I'm glad you said it, because if you didn't I would have. Stock, I see the little game you like to play. Seems to me that you like to hold stocks you don't believe in. Hmmm You do the same chit on the SLJB thread.
Posted by cassity on :
Well I think this post pretty much sums it up:
From HSM:
#2091 mcdonae101 HSM Addict
Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Dallas Posts: 6,180 Quote: Originally Posted by PIERCEIS007 Godchaser - I hope he is finishing the business at hand. Quite frankly he has spent alot more time than I would have liked on outside avenues. Or maybe he IS done and needs rest. Either way he has given us enough and now financials are all thats left imo.
Gltu
Pierce
but we have financials, the only reason i want the 10k is to piss in ourstreets mouth with it, that is it,lol, nothing more, nothing less, nasdaq is the key to this imo, 10k is just there to crush people
Posted by cassity on :
Btw: Is anyone listening to subpenny tonight, some guy on there is talkin some good stuff..(rumor on HSM)
Posted by cassity on :
he was CEO of Peppertree, one of those vacation condo companies. merged with http://www.equivest.com/ and appears to subsequently have become Cendant Timeshare Resort Group, Inc. (CTRG) which changed its name to Wyndham Vacation Ownership, Inc.
not a bad end merger, nice new parent company, nice 200mil a year earnings.
Originally Posted by tutankhamen Does everyone want to hear something good?
Just posted... people are begging him... LOL
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: HSM:
Originally Posted by tutankhamen Does everyone want to hear something good?
Just posted... people are begging him... LOL
make me write bad checks?
Posted by betting babe on :
Tut just saved a bunch of money on his car insurance? Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: Tut just saved a bunch of money on his car insurance?
That's Beautiful!!! Too funny!! Hey gang, been extremely busy at work and unable to be a "regular" this week, but I have been reading as much as possible. Nice Work.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
He just typed that and now has the whole board hanging... it is pretty funny. He must be typing up something big. Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Today, 09:44 PM #2266 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 254 I knew I could turn you all in the right direction again. I just finished talking with Ben again and I asked him if he and Rufus could come on a give a few minutes to all of you on HSM. I said to him "Hello Ben, this is your nightmare" and he replied back, "I have no nightmare, everything is good". I asked him again if we are going to meet the deadline and he said "yes we are, everything is good, watch tomorrow". I then asked him if he and Rufus can come on for a few minutes and share a few minutes with you on HSM. He replied back and said "you won't need it" but then he said he might come on for a few minutes after he was done doing what he was doing. We might have company from Ben and Rufus here in a while.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
From Tut...just now. I have not even read it yet...that's how much I love you guys.
Today, 08:44 PM #2266 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 254 I knew I could turn you all in the right direction again. I just finished talking with Ben again and I asked him if he and Rufus could come on a give a few minutes to all of you on HSM. I said to him "Hello Ben, this is your nightmare" and he replied back, "I have no nightmare, everything is good". I asked him again if we are going to meet the deadline and he said "yes we are, everything is good, watch tomorrow". I then asked him if he and Rufus can come on for a few minutes and share a few minutes with you on HSM. He replied back and said "you won't need it" but then he said he might come on for a few minutes after he was done doing what he was doing. We might have company from Ben and Rufus here in a while.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: Tut just saved a bunch of money on his car insurance?
Post of the Quarter...
Babe, you should demand your T-shirt from Bob.
lol, I hope someone forwards that post...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Damn you Tax...you beat me to it... Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Bit slow there St. Matt... and I even read it first. HA HA!!
Posted by dlab on :
Originally Posted by tutankhamen I knew I could turn you all in the right direction again. I just finished talking with Ben again and I asked him if he and Rufus could come on a give a few minutes to all of you on HSM. I said to him "Hello Ben, this is your nightmare" and he replied back, "I have no nightmare, everything is good". I asked him again if we are going to meet the deadline and he said "yes we are, everything is good, watch tomorrow". I then asked him if he and Rufus can come on for a few minutes and share a few minutes with you on HSM. He replied back and said "you won't need it" but then he said he might come on for a few minutes after he was done doing what he was doing. We might have company from Ben and Rufus here in a while.
Posted by JHenry on :
Ben says "watch tomorrow" - I've been watching every damn day. I sure hope this is going to be good.
Posted by T e x on :
"I knew I could turn you all in the right direction again."
We (collectively) think this sounds good?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Someone else stay awake and listen for them... I don't think I want to anymore. I am just waiting for this stock to correct and possibly reset at this point. I really don't want to hear from CSHD unless it is in the form of a filing or PR.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tax...i was listening over in the paltalk room...but I am not to sure how much longer I will last...If there is anything important..I'll send it over here...
BB...great post...I love it!~
Posted by T e x on :
hmmm...
something I notice?
this thread is not nearly as active as before.
lol...please don't (YOU ACTIVISTS) take that as a prompt to post balloonisiously.
(10? yes-- I made up that word.
not bad, eh?)
Posted by 10of13 on :
balloonisiously? First thing in the am...I will DD that...if anyone finds anything on it...please post a link... Nite Nite TEX! Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: balloonisiously? First thing in the am...I will DD that...if anyone finds anything on it...please post a link... Nite Nite TEX!
lol, just saying...
don't post extra Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: balloonisiously? First thing in the am...I will DD that...if anyone finds anything on it...please post a link... Nite Nite TEX!
************************************************* We did not find results for: balloonisiously. Try the suggestions below or type a new query above. *************************************************
HAHAHAHAH
Posted by bigstocks on :
Nothing on Google. Posted by Jenna on :
You guys may have seen this already but I thought this was cool...
otc stock exchange .com/
Have you seen our "stock alerts" lately. Check out these results and sign-up above !!!
On August 18, 2006 we started coverage of CSHD at $0.85 - October 9, 2006 CSHD closed at $2.61 for a 207% gain! Check out our alert on pinksheets.com
Posted by cassity on :
Hey folks you might want to go check out cvsu.us there is a shareholders list out.
Posted by CRab on :
I'm on the liiiiiiiiiiiiiist...I'm on the liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist...and my shares have been with ETrade since mid July if anyone was wondering...
Oh...and the NOBO list for October 3 is out as well...and there is only about a 2 million share difference now...
The only other list id be prouder to be on is the WW2 Memorial. *sniff sniff*
Posted by bigstocks on :
Bigstocks on the list, not under that name of course. Posted by bigstocks on :
Think I'll print it and hang it on the wall.
Posted by Jenna on :
I'm NOT on the list, not surprised. I have Scottrade! I just emailed Mitch!
Posted by Jenna on :
I still don't understand what it means though. Does it mean my shares aren't real? If so, me & "Scotty" are goin' toe to toe in front of Judge Judy!!! j/k
Posted by Chartwalker on :
wow, and we even have a shot at a PR or even the 10k tomorrow according to Tut's phone call...
Well-well-well.....
Guess I'll see you all in the morning! Chart ~
Posted by betting babe on :
i made the list
well we all know who i am so no big secret there.
NOW... who wants to DD the whole list to figure out who TUT is?
~BB
Posted by Jenna on :
Guys, I AM on the list!!!!!!! I was looking for my last name first!!! They have it kinda weird- It's in alphabetical order according to your first name!
Sorry, just another blonde moment!!
***I'm on the list***I'm on the list***I'm on the list***
Posted by Jenna on :
YEAH BB!!!!!
Posted by mathis on :
im on the list and i have Scottrade, but have had the shares since FHAL wallymac i see your on it too Posted by Chartwalker on :
I hope we KICK AZZ tomorrow!!!
Posted by thedoctor on :
Hi....I made the list also Jenna. I think Scott Trade has everyone on that list that bought through them. It's nice to know. I am so happy for everyone. Let's keep this going. Big day tomorrow. Most people on this site have been so supportive and have tried to keep each other's hopes up. A happy ending is much deserved here. Let's pray it's Thursday morning.
Posted by Jenna on :
Mathis, I have Scottrade I'm on but when I looked at first I was looking under the wrong letter because I thought it was last name first.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by mathis: im on the list and i have Scottrade, but have had the shares since FHAL wallymac i see your on it too
how you see that?
Posted by Jenna on :
YEAH BIG DAY TOMARROW!!!!
THE RUUF THE RUUF, THE RUFUS IS ON FIRE!!!! WE DON'T NEED NO WATER..............
Posted by mathis on :
I did the same thing Jenna..didnt expect the names in that order
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by mathis: I did the same thing Jenna..didnt expect the names in that order
So glad I'm not the only one!!
Posted by Igor R on :
Made the list and my shares are in street name afaik, w00t. But what does this mean now?
Posted by mathis on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by mathis: im on the list and i have Scottrade, but have had the shares since FHAL wallymac i see your on it too
how you see that?
see what? my name or wallys name
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
I'm on the list as well, Scottrade margin account, last shares bought was on october 3rd
Posted by Jenna on :
***********************************************
Good Night All.....May you all have.....
Champagne Wishes.......
&....... Caviar Dreams.......!!!!
*************************************************
Posted by thedoctor on :
Good night young lady
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Bucky's on the list.....Thanks for the heads up Cassity.......also, is there a new website? see Mitch Sepaniak's contact info at the top of the listing....mitch*cshd.us?????...."Mitchell Sepaniak -- Executive Vice President of Operations at 770-420-8270 or via email mitch*cshd.us"
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Hey folks you might want to go check out cvsu.us there is a shareholders list out.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
oooohhh...I am on "THE LIST" toooo. But I'd like to know for how much as I admit to flipping. But if I didn't I would not have as much as I do now (or may have tomorrow) ..
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by mathis:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by mathis: im on the list and i have Scottrade, but have had the shares since FHAL wallymac i see your on it too
how you see that?
see what? my name or wallys name
Doh!
obviously, Wally's name...am assuming you'd know your own...
But why would you be privvy to anyone's else name?
Posted by CRab on :
Anyone actually start looking through that list? There are a whole bunch of company names...
There is even one named "The Lucky Super Fund", lmao...
Did anything ever come from the interview tonight? Did anyone even listen?
Posted by mathis on :
Sorry TEX i meant to put the list instead of my name..
Posted by Igor R on :
Anyone opinions on whats going to happen tomorrow with the list being out?
Posted by Vin on :
Who's on the list, I'm on the list! Who's on the list, I'm on the list! Posted by betting babe on :
well well well...
Central American Life Insurance.
looks like they hold some shares.
looks like they hold shares in another company that knows about a reverse merger on rule 368 as well:
LOL did you miss Oracle Corp and Northrop Grumman
Posted by Vin on :
Off to bed for some much needed rest. Big day tomorrow, can't wait.
g'nite!
Posted by betting babe on :
nope still in the D's stocktrader looking for the not-so-obvious
Posted by NEL on :
I'm on the list. Hope to see something great soon!
Posted by 4Given on :
STATE OF CA STATE CONTROLLERS STATE STREET BANK & TRUST TTEE STATE STREET BANK TTEE STATE STREET TTEE NORTHROP GRUMMAN SAV PLAN CINGULAR WIRELESS QWEST SAVINGS & INVESTMENT PL pepsi-co
Posted by betting babe on :
NATIONAL SECURITIES CLEARIING CORP National Securities Clearing Corporation (NSCC), a wholly owned subsidiary of The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (DTCC), is a central counterparty that provides centralized clearance, settlement and information services for virtually all broker-to-broker equity, corporate bond and municipal bond, exchange-traded funds and unit investment trust (UIT) trades in the U.S. http://www.nscc.com/
NEWPORT CAPITAL CONSULTANTS About Newport Capital Consultants
Newport Capital Consultants is an Oklahoma Corporation that is based in Laguna Niguel, CA. NCC is a consulting firm that consults to the capital marketplace. NCC is not a broker/dealer. NCC was established in 1991. "Newport Capital Consultants' reputation is second to none in the investment community," commented Steve Flagg, CEO of PurchaseSoft, Inc. http://www.nasd.com/AboutNASD/NASDMemberFirms/ListofMembers/NASDW_012925
i'm off to bed. that should be some nice reading for the morning
~BB
Posted by shomethamoney on :
I looked at the http://cvsu.us/ list and their are huge names on that list of everyone and anyone. Do all of those companies own shares in this? If so, how do people think they are going to get jacked up by buying in now?? Have been watching the stock and curious.
Posted by shomethamoney on :
Im on the list - I almost fell out of my chair. I bought in late in the game. Only about two weeks ago. I bought through Scottrade. Man I'm excited about this. When I saw all of the big names on board, I felt a lot better. I can wait this one out. My family may get our first house because of this. I hope you all the best in this!!! I'll keep watching and reading. Thanks to all of the vets who have helped in the DD on this thread for those of us who are still learning and working lol!! Goodnight all and GO CSHD!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by mathis:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by mathis: im on the list and i have Scottrade, but have had the shares since FHAL wallymac i see your on it too
how you see that?
see what? my name or wallys name
Doh!
obviously, Wally's name...am assuming you'd know your own...
But why would you be privvy to anyone's else name?
I recently posted an Email that I had received from Scottrade that stated I was a NOBO. I signed my orginal email with my real name. Not really a stretch Wallace McDonald. So Mathis being the good DDer saw my name near the end.
Thanks for looking Mathis. *********************************** Second part of the message is to everyone.
This is good news. It would seem that everything should be in place now. Yet I would not guarantee a 10K tommorrow. Some people's names are not on the list and were asked to contact Mitch at CSHD, so it may still be Friday before it drops.
Personally, I wouldn't mind it being Friday afternoon. The halt will take affect, because of the length that the 10K is said to be, it would more than likely be a longer halt. So if it happens late Friday then the weekend allows for the news to be disseminated and a reopen on Monday morning.
I say this so that people don't get freaked out if A) the 10K doesn't come out tommorrow and B) If there is a prolonged halt the reason will probably be so that the information can be read and understood prior to the reopen.
Posted by shomethamoney on :
Wally when the 10k hits is this when this is supposed to blow up or will it be when they go to the NASDAQ?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by shomethamoney: Wally when the 10k hits is this when this is supposed to blow up or will it be when they go to the NASDAQ?
The way it has always been stated is 10K followed by a halt for news, then the reset to $15 then an SB2, SB4. Getting to NASDAQ will definately help it, that's for sure.
Hope that helps.
GLTA Wally
Posted by jaztile1 on :
im on the list etrade acct.
Posted by Jenna on :
I'm so excite, I can't sleep. I feel like a kid on Christmas Morning!!
Posted by portman on :
Woo Whooooooo! On the list baby!
All the folks I know who have TDA accounts I do not see. Scottrade I do.
Nice work BB.
Rufus was prolly smart enough to trade stock for all the Oracle software he is gonna need. LOL...No, I really do not think he did that.
Posted by Vin on :
mornin'.
Darn stock isn't letting me get any sleep. What are the chances of picking up a few more shares this morning?
Posted by Vin on :
...is this site REALLY slow this morning, or is it my computer that hasn't gotten out of bed yet?
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
quote:Originally posted by portman: Woo Whooooooo! On the list baby!
All the folks I know who have TDA accounts I do not see. Scottrade I do.
Nice work BB.
Rufus was prolly smart enough to trade stock for all the Oracle software he is gonna need. LOL...No, I really do not think he did that.
I know two people, one that has TD Waterhouse and one that has TD Ameritrade and both of their names show up. FWIW - Many duplicate names because of having multiple brokers like myself.
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: ...is this site REALLY slow this morning, or is it my computer that hasn't gotten out of bed yet?
Some of us being in Central and Pacific time, may still be in bed. Those of us that can't sleep from all of the excitement, we're here.
Posted by Jenna on :
Vin, Are you going to grab shares right away or are you hoping for a lunchtime dip?
I'm thinking today is going to be a non-stop climbing with TINY dips here & there.
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by StockterDoLittle:
quote:Originally posted by Vin: ...is this site REALLY slow this morning, or is it my computer that hasn't gotten out of bed yet?
Some of us being in Central and Pacific time, may still be in bed. Those of us that can't sleep from all of the excitement, we're here.
LOL, I should clarify myself. I mean't to say that the site is really slow in loading. Everytime I refresh, it takes almost 20 seconds to fully load. Wondering if it was just me or everyone.
Sorry 'bout the confusion.
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
lol - haven't had my morn'in coffee yet.
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Vin, Are you going to grab shares right away or are you hoping for a lunchtime dip?
I'm thinking today is going to be a non-stop climbing with TINY dips here & there.
I'm gonna try to pick some up early. I'm sure that we'll see ups and downs, but I'm not expecting to see the drop that we saw late in the day yesterday. Not sure I'll be able to get any, but I'll set the price high and see what happens. Can't hurt to try, right?
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by StockterDoLittle: lol - haven't had my morn'in coffee yet.
I think we're in the same time zone...so I understand.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
seems site isssss..... veryyyyy sssslllloooowwwwwwwwww........ . . . and I'm on a DSL connection....but some people say DSL stands for "Dismally Slow Line"> LOL :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: ...is this site REALLY slow this morning, or is it my computer that hasn't gotten out of bed yet?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Mornin folks! Good to see im on the list and in VERY curious to see how many people post on the various boards that they are not on the list. Currently the big basher material seems to be the difference between the "old" NOBO vs DTCC list and the new one. Once we start to get a feel for how many people are not on the shareholder list then maybe we will have a better understanding of where the legal begals are headed....shorters will be revealed.
Honestly, im a little concerned that they will halt, reset at $15 and then buy us all out. I know that sounds greedy but i never intended to simply bail after the reset. I HOPE thats why Rufus took a poll over at HSM regarding what people would do at $15 and again at $35 because most responded that they would continue to hold.
People have spoken Rufus, please dont buy us out unless it is totally necessary!
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
Did he state why a buyout was brought up? Would it not defeat the purpose of going public?
Posted by Vin on :
I agree, my plan is to sell 50% and go long with the rest. I see a lot of potential with this company and would love to be along for the ride. Don't get me wrong, $15 per share would make me happy, but I see this stock going well beyond that over time. Rufus has a plan, has surrounded himself with some strong people and has some $$$ to do things with. Hope we are part of that.
Posted by Jenna on :
Guys & GAls,
Wondering, My mom bought in on Oct. 6th. She's not on list. I know the list said that it's from on & BEFORE the 3rd. But what does that mean for people who bought in for the first time after the 3rd? And a lot of us kept adding shares after the 3rd what about those shares?
Any thoughts?
Posted by portman on :
Well, ok...I am actually really close to really drinking the Kool aid. I have ordered a Cherry one and it is sitting right in front of me.
What does that mean...it means I like what I see. I like NOT being 75M short. I still think we are substantially short. I think it is possible the first list was accidentally inclusive of the NOBO and OBO. If we are only say 5-20 million short it means we are healthier as a market for this stock and more likely to see a safe cover.
We will learn a lot today so keep your eyes open. I do not think anyone fully understand this play but we have to be close to learning the Win, Lose or Draw scenario.
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
BB - Here is another to add to the list of interesting investors:
quote:Originally posted by StockterDoLittle: Did he state why a buyout was brought up? Would it not defeat the purpose of going public?
He said that funds were in place to do so IF NECESSARY to protect the investors and the company. What the dangers are they would be protecting us or the company from are unknown to me but im guessing they wont let it be driven into the ground. Or, at least thats how i understood it...someone please correct me if im wrong. I came up with this concern after listening to one of the interviews....from over the weekend i think.
Which reminds me, anyone have a link to the latest interview? The one where Tut called in?
Personally what i think could really put the screws to any shorters would be to offer the difference between $15 and current pps to the shareholders (option B? i cant remember). Those holding airshares would have to be paid by whomever sold them those shares, with legal help from cshd im assuming. Then, they could skip resetting and run it up from there creating a squeeze. Kind of a double whammy. I MUCH prefer this over being bought out.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by portman: Woo Whooooooo! On the list baby!
All the folks I know who have TDA accounts I do not see. Scottrade I do.
Nice work BB.
Rufus was prolly smart enough to trade stock for all the Oracle software he is gonna need. LOL...No, I really do not think he did that.
Hey port I have TDA and I'm on the list Posted by Chartwalker on :
YeeeHaawww~
Morning All! Coffee in hand ~
"Let's ROCK!" Posted by a surfer on :
Hey guy I am not on the list.... Holding 7400 shares. Most since JULY... Dad has 40,001 shares.. he's not on there either.
I called mitch already this A.m.
Man,, Any suggestions
Posted by a surfer on :
What do I tell Scottrade this A.M. when I call them.
Chart any sug..
Posted by Jenna on :
Surfer, I didn't think I was on the list at first then when I checked again I realized that it's in alphebetical order according to your FIRST name. So make sure....
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys & GAls,
Wondering, My mom bought in on Oct. 6th. She's not on list. I know the list said that it's from on & BEFORE the 3rd. But what does that mean for people who bought in for the first time after the 3rd? And a lot of us kept adding shares after the 3rd what about those shares?
Any thoughts?
Have her call the broker and ask for her name to be placed on the shares....even if electronically. The date should not be critical except that after Sept 29th this stock could not be shorted so the list was pulled the following business day. Future shareholders will be on future lists...assuming they have your name on them at the broker.
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks Mr. C! I'll have her do that.
Posted by a surfer on :
F**K Yea I am on the list.
YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..
william l morris TTE. Biotch
Posted by Jenna on :
YEAH SURF!!!
Were you looking last name first?
Posted by a surfer on :
Thanks Jenna.
Both dad and I are on the list.
Whew!!!! That kind of freaked me out.
I even left a message for Mitch
Posted by a surfer on :
Yes jenna,, Only Rufus would put out a backwards list. LOL
Posted by Jenna on :
I emailed him, all scared, then checked again, emailed him back & said false alarm!!!
Posted by Vin on :
Surfer...Welcome to the "I AM SO ON THE LIST" Club.
Posted by Jenna on :
********************************************** We need the Rufus song: **********************************************
The Rufus, The Rufus, The Rufus on FIRE,
We don't need no water, Let Shortie burn,
Burn Little Shortie BURN
*************************************************
EVERYBODY..............
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I'm NOT on the list, not surprised. I have Scottrade! I just emailed Mitch!
I'm on the list and I have Scottrade. The list is by first name first. I panicked at first because I thought it was listed by last name.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
congrats to everyone who's on the list. Hey Jenna. Did your father ever find out what show he was watching yesterday. That talked about cshd
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Surfer...Welcome to the "I AM SO ON THE LIST" Club.
Thats a good one. Just called to let pops know.
Sure would be nice to make him an extra half a mil. Like he needs it.. LOL
10 % commision sounds about right. LOL
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys, I AM on the list!!!!!!! I was looking for my last name first!!! They have it kinda weird- It's in alphabetical order according to your first name!
Sorry, just another blonde moment!!
***I'm on the list***I'm on the list***I'm on the list***
Sorry...should have read through before my last post... Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Ryan,
No not sure but he knew it was a sattelite INVESTMENT channel. I didn't know they had that. He said it was 2 guys in suits, usually is. And he also said that they were disscussing other stocks too like Gannet.
Thanks for reminding me. I'm going to call him & tell him to go through the channels today to see if he can find those guys again & then tell me what show it was.
He was really excited when he heard them talk about it because he own a lot of shares.
He also said that the guys said it's performing like a big board stock & that something must be on the horizon! THEY RECCOMMENDED A BUY!!!
I'll call him now. Hope he's up!
Do you have sattelite?
Posted by Jo4321 on :
I was a bit worried as I was not on the list, first name first.
Then I used the "find" function searching by my last name, and there I was. They had left the first letter off my first name.
Jo
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I don't have satellite but I have the internet, and if we can find out the show maybe we can find out what they talked about.
Posted by Jenna on :
It's OK St Matt. I thought you'd find the later post. I wish I didn't say that about Scottrade now. I feel bad! They came through for us.
Posted by Jenna on :
Ryan, actually this afternoon I'm going over to my dad's house. I just talked to him & he said he will show me when I get there. Then I will get back to you. He said something like he was on some scan mode, so it was scanning channels, that's why he's not sure. I don't understand what the heck he means. But I'll let you know.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
No problem St Matthew, it just means you also had a blonde moment. Posted by a surfer on :
Come on RUFUS. Lets see the 10k/reset.
Man I had deams about this last night. Seriously.
Posted by Jenna on :
Don't you guys think they will put out a PR regarding the shareholder list?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Allstocks is slow loading.... Hard to post (FYI) Surfer.. first get ahold of Mitch
BTW surfer, look at your account name, I have a friend who I couldn't find, but found him when I looked at his account name...
It wasn't Jim, it was James... and his MIDDLE name came next THEN his last name....
Does that help?...
Posted by kilikili on :
MY CSHD STOCK IS GONE IN MY CHOICETRADE ACCOUNT! WHAT'S GOING ON????
Posted by Chartwalker on :
ahh... Congrats surfer!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: ahh... Congrats surfer!
Thanks chart!! And to you! And to everyone here!! Lets Rock.
Bid going up!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by kilikili: MY CSHD STOCK IS GONE IN MY CHOICETRADE ACCOUNT! WHAT'S GOING ON????
WHAT???
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Kilikili.. they must just be a mistake...
gapping HARD already!!!
Muh hu ha ha~~ Posted by RyanPBF on :
allstocks is really slow today isn't it. I hope it clears up
Posted by coalkickin on :
My choicetrade account also has errors this a.m. showing I own ETLS and I never have? Also my account total is way off..
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by kilikili: MY CSHD STOCK IS GONE IN MY CHOICETRADE ACCOUNT! WHAT'S GOING ON????
10of13.... Choicetrade?? yours ok?...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
can anyone post here?
Posted by a surfer on :
whats up
Posted by RyanPBF on :
it's comming back down still very early though
Posted by a surfer on :
I just refreshed
Posted by betting babe on :
moving the DD forward cuz the board caught "the lag" *cough cough*
well well well...
Central American Life Insurance.
...looks like they hold some shares.
looks like they hold shares in another company that knows about a reverse merger on rule 368 as well:
NATIONAL SECURITIES CLEARIING CORP National Securities Clearing Corporation (NSCC), a wholly owned subsidiary of The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (DTCC), is a central counterparty that provides centralized clearance, settlement and information services for virtually all broker-to-broker equity, corporate bond and municipal bond, exchange-traded funds and unit investment trust (UIT) trades in the U.S. http://www.nscc.com/
NEWPORT CAPITAL CONSULTANTS About Newport Capital Consultants
Newport Capital Consultants is an Oklahoma Corporation that is based in Laguna Niguel, CA. NCC is a consulting firm that consults to the capital marketplace. NCC is not a broker/dealer. NCC was established in 1991. "Newport Capital Consultants' reputation is second to none in the investment community," commented Steve Flagg, CEO of PurchaseSoft, Inc. http://www.nasd.com/AboutNASD/NASDMemberFirms/ListofMembers/NASDW_012925
STATE OF CA STATE CONTROLLERS STATE STREET BANK & TRUST TTEE STATE STREET BANK TTEE STATE STREET TTEE NORTHROP GRUMMAN SAV PLAN CINGULAR WIRELESS QWEST SAVINGS & INVESTMENT PL pepsi-co THE SAUDI INVESTMENT BANK http://www.saib.com.sa/english/home.aspx
LOOKIN GOOD!
it may be about time for this:
~BB
Posted by a surfer on :
The flying pig!!!
There is a surfboard called the flying pig.
LOL
Posted by betting babe on :
*cough cough*
Posted by bigstocks on :
Good morning board.
Posted by a surfer on :
would a new thread help???
Posted by CRab on :
Ya know...I'm not having any trouble loading...it's not taking any longer than usual...
I'm running on a T1 though...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'm on a LAN and it's slow. Going to make a long day if the board is going to be very slow
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: moving the DD forward cuz the board caught "the lag" *cough cough*
well well well...
Central American Life Insurance.
...looks like they hold some shares.
looks like they hold shares in another company that knows about a reverse merger on rule 368 as well:
Sounds like we should see what else Central American Life Insurance holds shares in...
great DD gang!
Posted by milliam on :
I'm on the list, twice and I'm with Ameritrade.
I think the NOBO list is big news though. What a huge difference in this new one and the past. Ameritrade shows a 17,052,346 decrease. That's huge. Did NITE cover all of these or what? I'm kind of wondering if the old NOBO was just wrong!
Posted by betting babe on :
its the server in general - all threads
woudl you believe it appears that LFZA is also by "special order" on TDAm,
Posted by cassity on :
Took me 20 min. to get on this site today!!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'm on a LAN and it's slow. Going to make a long day if the board is going to be very slow
Posted by NEL on :
Very slow loading today... sign of something BIG!
Posted by a surfer on :
sure not looking real pos. this a.m.
Posted by CRab on :
here's something big...they just brought us down ten cents...
Posted by CRab on :
i'm sorry make that twenty five cents...
Posted by milliam on :
I'm on the list, twice and I'm with Ameritrade.
I think the NOBO list is big news though. What a huge difference in this new one and the past. Ameritrade shows a 17,052,346 decrease. That's huge. Did NITE cover all of these or what? I'm kind of wondering if the old NOBO was just wrong!
Posted by milliam on :
Sorry for the double...dang slow server..
WTF's with this drop??? They should PR the list I think. This thing should have boosted everyone's confidence!
Posted by Vin on :
Looks like some profit taking this morning. Just got some more though...YOOOOOHOOOOO!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
wow... I just got back on......
Posted by a surfer on :
seems like its fixed
Posted by RyanPBF on :
yeah much better now if we can just get the pps were it should be.
Posted by a surfer on :
Yea CMON Rufus Get er Done
Posted by RichBy26 on :
hey gang, I've been in since the first part of Aug, but I am not on the list:( Does anyone know who I have to contact???? Good thing I ordered 80% of my shares in a stock cert last week. Any help is greatly appreciated
Posted by RyanPBF on :
they're taking it down on buys what a holes
Posted by dog on :
LIST LIST baby... morning all.
Can't believe they keep tankin it...
Posted by a surfer on :
2.41 support chart??
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: hey gang, I've been in since the first part of Aug, but I am not on the list:( Does anyone know who I have to contact???? Good thing I ordered 80% of my shares in a stock cert last week. Any help is greatly appreciated
Rich, did you look by first name first...not last name first?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: hey gang, I've been in since the first part of Aug, but I am not on the list:( Does anyone know who I have to contact???? Good thing I ordered 80% of my shares in a stock cert last week. Any help is greatly appreciated
Check with first name first plus middle initial Rich. I missed mine at first
Posted by djg7 on :
I'm sorry but I've been gone. Is there a link to find out if find the list? Please help.
Posted by dog on :
Man... I've missed all the dips on this bad boy.... buy high... watch it low... that's my new motto.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
no st matt, I assumed it was last name first, i'll check it out...
Posted by a surfer on :
cvsu.com
Posted by Vin on :
Damn, it's a blizzard in the Chicago burbs.... Quick, throw me some heat!!!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
cvsu.us
Posted by RichBy26 on :
hey gang, I'm on!!!! thanks for helping me out!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: 2.41 support chart??
brb... checking.
Posted by SherriT on :
WHEW - I am on the list from both accounts - one joint and one just mine Mama is going shopping! LMAO
Posted by cool AZ on :
Mornin' all! ... amazing how the mm's bring this down ... think they're afraid of the 3.00 mark? GLTA!
Posted by dog on :
Excellent for all on list... saves you some work.
Don't freak out if your not on the list.... get a hold of Mitchell Stepaniak.
Let us know what happens.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
support 2.48
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: hey gang, I'm on!!!! thanks for helping me out!!
No problem...I also panicked when I first looked at the list. Then I said...what kind of a last name is the letter A? Did the singer formaly known as Prince buy shares in CSHD?
Posted by djg7 on :
Thanks for the help St. Mathew. I'm on the list.
Posted by $$$bill on :
what list??
Posted by dog on :
So what now? Are we going to get bought out and it's a private company again?
Posted by MTPromises on :
Good morning everyone! I'm way behind - can someone give me the Reader's Digest version of anything that's transpired since 3PM yesterday? Thanks!
Posted by CRab on :
I sure as hell hope not...I had no intention anytime SOON...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: So what now? Are we going to get bought out and it's a private company again?
What you talkin bout Willis?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: So what now? Are we going to get bought out and it's a private company again?
where are you getting that from dog?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.48 2.35 support 2.26
ress 2.57 2.64 2.70 2.80 (3day chart)
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by dog: So what now? Are we going to get bought out and it's a private company again?
What you talkin bout Willis?
ROFLMAO, haha!!!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: So what now? Are we going to get bought out and it's a private company again?
I dont think that would make it private would it? I dont understand exactly how it works but IF they chose to do so i would expect it to halt for some time to work out the shorted shares and then all of the shares would again be released into the market at the reset price.
This is all specualtion on my part because i have no idea whats going on
Posted by $$$bill on :
anybody, the list???
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Here's something that would be fun to do. For those who have tried to guess who Tut is...see if that person's name is on the list (on cvsu.us) as a shareholder.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by $$$bill: anybody, the list???
go to cvsu.us and check the shareholders list for your name, it goes by first name first
Posted by JHenry on :
I'm on the list. cvsu.us
Posted by RyanPBF on :
$$$bill go to www.cvsu.us site and there's an option for shareholder list see if you are on it. It's listed alphabetically by first name
Posted by portman on :
I expect the market for CSHD to be tight today.
I also expect we trade laterally or a slow increase now that we have had the day's fireworks...pending any forthcoming announcements from the company.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
BB's DD made it to HSM!
WTG!!! Posted by pepa z depa on :
does that nobo list show how many shares are shorted?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
she is the DD queen Posted by Vin on :
Man, I just don't get it. What kind of news is it gonna take to get the price of this thing where it should be. $2.50...are you kidding me. This stock is worth way more than that! We have audited financials that value it much higher than this....
Ok, feelin' better now. The snow storm must be bringing me down....
Posted by joan32 on :
Goodmorning everybody! Hope everyone is doing well. I am sure we will all be better once the 10K comes out. I am on the list Posted by dog on :
Not trying to freak anybody out... mainly a joke.
Just wondering what they are gonna do about this BS PPS.
When the financials come out... and we stay right here due to the obvious manipulation.. we got a problem.
We have to go to Nasdaq cuz that would force covering within 24 hours.
I don't plan on selling either.
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by joan32: Goodmorning everybody! Hope everyone is doing well. I am sure we will all be better once the 10K comes out. I am on the list
Joan, you in the city or burbs? Snowing where you are at?
Posted by JHenry on :
I'm hoping that when Ben stated last night to "watch tomorrow" there is more than just the shareholder list - but that is probably what he was referring to. I think you are right Portman - fireworks are over - was hoping for PR or 10K.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by pepa z depa: does that nobo list show how many shares are shorted?
No, it shows how many shares were bought, so that number minus the total shares the company has out (about 110 million) gives you the amount of FDT's (or Naked Sharts... -air shares) Posted by BULListic on :
quote:Originally posted by portman: I expect the market for CSHD to be tight today.
I also expect we trade laterally or a slow increase now that we have had the day's fireworks...pending any forthcoming announcements from the company.
heh... look how wrong i was.
Posted by Vin on :
This is getting ugly. Hope we're not getting set up for some bad news.
Posted by dog on :
wow.... should have bought today rather than yesterday.
Posted by $$$bill on :
my name is on the list thanks everybody!!!
Posted by ClayN on :
2.32 to 2.25 on 500 shares traded. Come on now!!!!
Posted by lostone on :
may be a set up for some good news.. they always bring it down before good news or financials
Posted by NEL on :
It's all a game to get panic sellers to sell. I know we are all holding!
Posted by portman on :
Those holders like Oracle are likely 401K accounts for those companies.
They may or may not be....but it is more likely than not.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by ClayN: 2.32 to 2.25 on 500 shares traded. Come on now!!!!
IMO it's their last effort to grab our shares
Posted by joan32 on :
Vin, I am in Chicago right by Park Ridge. Not in the city. How about you? I saw it on yahoo that it is snowing. I am actually not in Chicago right now. I am in Europe for a while.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: BB's DD made it to HSM!
WTG!!!
No offense HSM... but a good portion of "their DD" comes from here.
A little insulted that Tut and Rufus think that HSM is the pinnacle of DD.
I'm a member of HSM too. I see a difference in the intellectual level of discourse.
Absolutely correct Dog...there is no comparison...too many emotional youngsters over there.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
hate to say just watching the l2's and sales I bet we make a new lod
Posted by djg7 on :
This a wait and see situation. I may pick up more shares during this dip.
Posted by SherriT on :
As much as I enjoy the company here, I'm ready for this thing to do what it is gonna do....the manipulation day after day is just beyond ridiculous. If it were worth that, it would be one thing, but even the MMs know that they aren't gonna shake enough loose to cover what they have to cover....
Posted by portman on :
To be completely honest...
I am not worried. I just hope I time the Panic Buy right.
Posted by ruthie on :
Anybody have any guesses about why this thing has dropped so low?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I for one have had enough games...
File that POS already Rufus.... Posted by Chartwalker on :
Stochastic way oversold, could move up now... -with NO games!
3 pos now..
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by portman: Those holders like Oracle are likely 401K accounts for those companies.
They may or may not be....but it is more likely than not.
I have said this before...the Oracle dude is now the richest man in the world...does he have a nephew?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'm with you chart. It doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy when this crap continues unchecked.
Posted by ruthie on :
Me too Chart....
Posted by djg7 on :
I was thinking the same thing portman. Just chill out and wait for the right to pounce on some more shares.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Think about it folks, people were expecting something huge to happen the last couple of days. Although we are all happy to see the shareholder list and it WILL reveal the shorters, it probably wont please the people that were looking for the golden ticket after buying in just a couple of days ago. Now those people are probably fading and soon we will be back to just us longs.
Rufus made it clear, the deal is done. Our reset is around the corner and however the reset plays out he stands by his $15 "promise".
I kinda hope they ARE bringing it down to cover short positions, although i doubt thats whats happening. If that was the case, there would be a lot less hassle for those people that are not on the list. The market makers control this stock right now as well as those people that chose to sell today because of disappointment over the list.
What im trying to say is....who gives a pigs arse
Posted by Chartwalker on :
even 5 minute chart going pos now too...
1min, all pos Posted by $$$bill on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: Anybody have any guesses about why this thing has dropped so low?
so that we can pick up some more shares baby!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by joan32: Vin, I am in Chicago right by Park Ridge. Not in the city. How about you? I saw it on yahoo that it is snowing. I am actually not in Chicago right now. I am in Europe for a while.
Hey where in Europe are you? Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by $$$bill:
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: Anybody have any guesses about why this thing has dropped so low?
so that we can pick up some more shares baby!
I did! ha ha ~~
32 of them!! LMAO!! Posted by RyanPBF on :
If TDA didn't screw me I'd probably have double my position and extra cash. That really irritates me.
Posted by betting babe on :
geez, and they copy the DD from 1am instead of the fresh morning stuff...
glad to see it's making the rounds.
these are some BIG PLAYERS!!! And how about that other "rule 386" deal?
rite now? we're still up 50 cents from yesterday morning arent we?
now that our lag is gone, reposting da DeeDee:
well well well...
Central American Life Insurance.
...looks like they hold some shares.
looks like they hold shares in another company that knows about a reverse merger on rule 368 as well:
NATIONAL SECURITIES CLEARIING CORP National Securities Clearing Corporation (NSCC), a wholly owned subsidiary of The Depository Trust & Clearing Corporation (DTCC), is a central counterparty that provides centralized clearance, settlement and information services for virtually all broker-to-broker equity, corporate bond and municipal bond, exchange-traded funds and unit investment trust (UIT) trades in the U.S. http://www.nscc.com/
NEWPORT CAPITAL CONSULTANTS About Newport Capital Consultants
Newport Capital Consultants is an Oklahoma Corporation that is based in Laguna Niguel, CA. NCC is a consulting firm that consults to the capital marketplace. NCC is not a broker/dealer. NCC was established in 1991. "Newport Capital Consultants' reputation is second to none in the investment community," commented Steve Flagg, CEO of PurchaseSoft, Inc. http://www.nasd.com/AboutNASD/NASDMemberFirms/ListofMembers/NASDW_012925
STATE OF CA STATE CONTROLLERS STATE STREET BANK & TRUST TTEE STATE STREET BANK TTEE STATE STREET TTEE NORTHROP GRUMMAN SAV PLAN CINGULAR WIRELESS QWEST SAVINGS & INVESTMENT PL pepsi-co THE SAUDI INVESTMENT BANK http://www.saib.com.sa/english/home.aspx
LOOKIN GOOD!
it may be about time for this:
~BB
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by $$$bill:
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: Anybody have any guesses about why this thing has dropped so low?
so that we can pick up some more shares baby!
I did! ha ha ~~
32 of them!! LMAO!!
I picked up 250 more...that's all I can buy...I'm tapped out. 7,250 shares total.
Rufus, I'm done buying...Now, can you please re-set this flying pig and move us to Nasdaq so the MM's can't mess with us anymore?!?!
Posted by Kelroz on :
Short players probably sold out on new nobo list yesterday. 15,000 shareholders down to 5,000 shareholders and only 3M short now.
I think its better. I didnt see anyway of the big boys letting this reset to $15 with 25M+ short.
3M* $15 = 45M
Thats some good money but also a drop in the bucket to some of the bigger MMs. Reset much more likely now IMO.
Posted by ruthie on :
I wish I could get a few more shares at these low prices but my money is tied up for a couple more day till settlement..
Posted by NEL on :
Snowed a bit here in Milwaukee last night. Kids are excited, I for one am not. Hate to go when we are on the threshold of what we have need waiting for... damn meeting!
Posted by wallymac on :
IMO, Some selling has taken place because people may be worried that they missed the deadline. With Oct 3 being mentioned. So the MM's are taking advantage. I simply bought some more. Somebody's going to pay me for them.
Also besides the big companies and institution that BB has posted some other interesting names are on that list such as: Wanda Dabbs. There are also some Stanley's and Harris's and one other Alexander.
GLTA Wally
Posted by dog on :
I'm not buying anymore... just picked all the wrong days to do it in the past. LOL
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by portman: Those holders like Oracle are likely 401K accounts for those companies.
They may or may not be....but it is more likely than not.
I have said this before...the Oracle dude is now the richest man in the world...does he have a nephew?
St Matthew, i need to run but check out this article. I skimmed it and it appears that the man you speak of, Larry Ellison, has a nephew that happens to be a judge.
MR CATIAEngineer I am in Greece.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by joan32: MR CATIAEngineer I am in Greece.
Ahhh nice, sittin in Lüdenscheid Germany myself....until the 26th! Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: Short players probably sold out on new nobo list yesterday. 15,000 shareholders down to 5,000 shareholders and only 3M short now.
I think its better. I didnt see anyway of the big boys letting this reset to $15 with 25M+ short.
3M* $15 = 45M
Thats some good money but also a drop in the bucket to some of the bigger MMs. Reset much more likely now IMO.
Don't you still need to factor in the OBO's? There are 2M short on the NOBO's alone so IMO, There are more shorts than the 2M being referred to.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: I wish I could get a few more shares at these low prices but my money is tied up for a couple more day till settlement..
you can still buy...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by joan32: MR CATIAEngineer I am in Greece.
My wife is from Greece...she wants to go there if this pans out. If you have ever seen "My Big Fat Greek Wedding", that is my life. Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex? I think the thread went balloonisiously Crazy!... Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by joan32: Vin, I am in Chicago right by Park Ridge. Not in the city. How about you? I saw it on yahoo that it is snowing. I am actually not in Chicago right now. I am in Europe for a while.
Western burbs...Naperville area.
Posted by joan32 on :
St. Matthew, You shoould definitly try to come. Greece is beautiful and it will also make your wifr really happy.
Yes I've seen "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" and thats my Dad Posted by ruthie on :
Yeah you're right Chart. I guess I should go ahead and jump in and get a few more shares.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: Yeah you're right Chart. I guess I should go ahead and jump in and get a few more shares.
I did! lol ~~~ "Twice!" Posted by CRab on :
This is unreal.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
hope we don't go too low..
if we stay above the previous low of 2.20 we are on our way up ~
if not..............
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally do you really think that there are that many people on the OBO list? perhaps some of the really big players would "check the box" for their name to not appear...but this is a great improvement to the last NOBO...
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Don't you still need to factor in the OBO's? There are 2M short on the NOBO's alone so IMO, There are more shorts than the 2M being referred to.
GLTA Wally
Posted by ruthie on :
Let's don't even THINK about ( if not...)
Posted by $$$bill on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: Yeah you're right Chart. I guess I should go ahead and jump in and get a few more shares.
I did! lol ~~~ "Twice!"
trying to get in at 2.2
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by $$$bill:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: Yeah you're right Chart. I guess I should go ahead and jump in and get a few more shares.
I did! lol ~~~ "Twice!"
trying to get in at 2.2
tyat will happen ~ sigh (but happy for you!) Posted by $$$bill on :
got in at 2.2
Posted by RichBy26 on :
wtf???
Posted by djg7 on :
LOD and falling. I still haven't made an order yet but I will.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
How are they tanking it like this!
Posted by Vin on :
...anybody else at a loss for words?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.04 -ish next support, from last Friday.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
the last time they said "watch the market tomorrow" we soared up. This time it's the exact opposite, we really need that 10K...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
anyone think we go under 2 today. Unfortunately it's looking possible MFr's
Posted by driver4t3 on :
must be really great news on it's way, wow.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
-.54 on 1 million traded? Wow they are really desperate huh!
Posted by Vin on :
Looks like we will. Damn, when Rufus said to watch today, I kinda thought that it would be "good" to watch, not bad.
...should hear from Repo soon...
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Manipulation...the naked shorters know what they stand to lose...I'd say they (the bad guys) will be agressive till the last minute..........still looking for that substantial PR and 10-K....
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: How are they tanking it like this!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by joan32: St. Matthew, You shoould definitly try to come. Greece is beautiful and it will also make your wifr really happy.
Yes I've seen "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" and thats my Dad
Joan, if I take my wife to Greece, she will never want to come home. She will make my life hell when I make her come home...LOL. Have you seen any bottles of Windex over there...my wife's mother tells me it's very true about the Windex.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wally do you really think that there are that many people on the OBO list? perhaps some of the really big players would "check the box" for their name to not appear...but this is a great improvement to the last NOBO...
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Don't you still need to factor in the OBO's? There are 2M short on the NOBO's alone so IMO, There are more shorts than the 2M being referred to.
GLTA Wally
Okay even if you only figure 10% are OBO that would add another close to 4M short. So 6M total not unmanageable but think about it, 6M X 15 is $90M. I don't don't about you but I would definately be trying to cover. MM's will keep it as low as possible and will use whatever tricks they can to cover as low as possible. Of course this is My Opinion and I could be wrong.
GLTA Wally
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I just have this feeling we should be watching the news wire for something great!
Posted by SherriT on :
I'm thinking after close of business we see something we have been waiting for - give us a great weekend
Posted by betting babe on :
*bloop bloop bloop* Posted by ruthie on :
Uh Oh!!
Posted by SherriT on :
BB, did I see you are taking a gander at LFZA too? Seems like it might be our next big opportunity to me...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
I wonder if they will drop the bomb this afternoon so the 'Friday the 13th' is a nightmare for the MM's?!?!
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: I wonder if they will drop the bomb this afternoon so the 'Friday the 13th' is a nightmare for the MM's?!?!
Great minds thinking alike!
Posted by dog on :
Any chance this thing just gets halted? .. it's too ridiculous.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by joan32: Vin, I am in Chicago right by Park Ridge. Not in the city. How about you? I saw it on yahoo that it is snowing. I am actually not in Chicago right now. I am in Europe for a while.
Hey guys...I'm originally from Oak Lawn/Oak Forest on the South Side.
Go BEARS! Can you say 5-0 ?
Posted by cassity on :
I think LFZA is a scam. JMO Go look at the warning on pinksheets.com
Posted by RyanPBF on :
how far under 2.00 are they going to take us. I can't stand this
Posted by hawki2 on :
Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Here is the thing... Manipultaion of this magnitude deserves a company "safty net" PR to stop the bleeding. Problem is I think Rufas is holding alot of big cards close to his chest and our "safty net" PR may be something larger than just the standard "everything is on schedule PR.
Posted by kilikili on :
I think MM's are trying to take it down in desperate measures to trigger stop losses, have the weak sell and play with traders, so they can grab as much shares as they can to cover. They could also be buying from each other. IMO
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Any chance this thing just gets halted? .. it's too ridiculous.
Any idea on the Buys vs. Sells right now? This would be criminal (seriously) if there are more Buys than Sells.
Posted by cool AZ on :
Repo was right about the mm's ... better to be going with than against (when possible)! They do get their way through manipulation.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but, I believe mm's cover their short positions at the bid.
Anyway, great buying op ....
Posted by $$$bill on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: how far under 2.00 are they going to take us. I can't stand this
they were just picking up some peops at 2.01 we gonna go now
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by joan32: Vin, I am in Chicago right by Park Ridge. Not in the city. How about you? I saw it on yahoo that it is snowing. I am actually not in Chicago right now. I am in Europe for a while.
Hey guys...I'm originally from Oak Lawn/Oak Forest on the South Side.
Go BEARS! Can you say 5-0 ?
Yep, with Arizona on deck. As long as those Bears don't get over-confident, we should be looking at 6-0. Thank GOD, because my Cubbies didn't have much of a year (yes, I know, that's an overstatement!).
Posted by ruthie on :
Gotta get away from this for awhile..this thing is getting on my LAST nerve..
adios amigos
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by hawki2: Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
The list is by FIRST name first; not LAST name first. I'll bet you are on there.
Posted by betting babe on :
yip.
round and round and round it goes... bloop bloop bloop
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: BB, did I see you are taking a gander at LFZA too? Seems like it might be our next big opportunity to me...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I am not selling one single share of CSHD!
I got a vice grip on my slips. (Sorry I haven't said that in a while and felt it warrented.)
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Just bought 500 more at $2.10. I'm in the mood. Go down to 1.75 and I may buy mooooooore! Go up and I'm ecstatic. Reset and I'm wet Posted by betting babe on :
omg you had one left? can i borrow it?
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: Gotta get away from this for awhile..this thing is getting on my LAST nerve..
adios amigos
Posted by RyanPBF on :
it isn't even the lunch time lull and this is happening Posted by maumee river rat on :
whats the link to check out that list???
anybody!!!
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: whats the link to check out that list???
anybody!!!
cvsu.us - link on bottom left
Posted by CRab on :
.10 swings on 20k shares...yeah thats not bullchit... Posted by RyanPBF on :
what's this someone has a nerve left over. I don't have any I'm like just numb now
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2: Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
The list is by FIRST name first; not LAST name first. I'll bet you are on there.
Chicago Fans...Here's tha plan. CSHD resets and we have plenty of cash to go to the Super Bowl...50 yard line!! We can all have a tailgaiting party with the rental Escalades we pick up from the airport...Wish the SuperBowl was in Chicago. I'm dying for a real Hot Dog (with Cucumbers) BEARYAH... (Boohyah)
Posted by hawki2 on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2: Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
The list is by FIRST name first; not LAST name first. I'll bet you are on there.
I looked both ways...Not on the list
Posted by hawki2 on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: whats the link to check out that list???
anybody!!!
cvsu.us
Posted by djg7 on :
maumee, http://www.cvsu.us/ and go to shareholder list. It lists by first name.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
REMEMBER THIS: Higher highs and lower lows.
I think this is the last attempt to give the shorts a chance. Maybe we don't need em for our reset.
Maybe halt stock today, tomorrow to finish up all share counts and move'er on up to NASDAQ.
Just pure speculation on my part. Now back to heart catheterizations, dysrythmias, and why swan ganz catheter is better than central line.
Good day all and have a great weekend. See ya over the weekend sometime.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
16,600 buy at 2.15
Posted by dog on :
Noon.. people... noon... somethings up!
PPS on da rise!
Posted by ClayN on :
bought more at 2.10!! If it drops below 2 I'll buy even more!!!!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
wow.. I got booted... just got back on and we went to $2!!
Can't believe it ~
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by hawki2:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2: Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
The list is by FIRST name first; not LAST name first. I'll bet you are on there.
I looked both ways...Not on the list
just keep calling or emailing mitch, I'm sure your fine, it's your brokers responsibility as long as the shares are in your account...
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2: Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
The list is by FIRST name first; not LAST name first. I'll bet you are on there.
Chicago Fans...Here's tha plan. CSHD resets and we have plenty of cash to go to the Super Bowl...50 yard line!! We can all have a tailgaiting party with the rental Escalades we pick up from the airport...Wish the SuperBowl was in Chicago. I'm dying for a real Hot Dog (with Cucumbers) BEARYAH... (Boohyah)
That's such a plan...but after the game, can we catch a flight to Vegas for a little follow up par-tay? Posted by bigstocks on :
The only thing the still frosts my nards is that I could have made a fortune flippin this. Guess I'll just have to settle for the reset. Thanks Aturd. Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: REMEMBER THIS: Higher highs and lower lows.
I think this is the last attempt to give the shorts a chance. Maybe we don't need em for our reset.
Maybe halt stock today, tomorrow to finish up all share counts and move'er on up to NASDAQ.
Just pure speculation on my part. Now back to heart catheterizations, dysrythmias, and why swan ganz catheter is better than central line.
Good day all and have a great weekend. See ya over the weekend sometime.
Swan Ganz catheter allows for better cardiac monitoring as the intra-chamber pressures can provide a better assessment of BP for meds management, particularly in heart failure post MI or CABG.
Just MHO.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Ruthie... I got "spanked!" lol ~~~
from Scotturd!
You have several options available to you at this time. You can simply reduce the number of trades you do and adhere to the three-business day settlement date. You can provide additional cash to the account to support your desired trading activity. Finally, you can sign a margin agreement which will allow you to trade without the 3 business day hold on sales proceeds. However, a consideration with signing a margin agreement would be the requirement by industry regulations, that if you do 4 roundtrips (a buy and a sell in the same security) in a five day period you will be considered a pattern day trader and will be required to maintain $25,000 minimum equity in the account. There could also be interest charges that would apply on any debit balances past settlement date. Please note that margin trading is not allowed for Retirement and Custodial accounts. Internal Revenue Service rules limits the amount of contributions for Retirement accounts, which may restrict the amount of cash you can deposit into your account. We ask that you please make an immediate adjustment to your trading patterns since we may be required to place future restrictions on your account.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by hawki2:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2: Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
The list is by FIRST name first; not LAST name first. I'll bet you are on there.
I looked both ways...Not on the list
Hawk, check out this post from HSM...have you tried to e-mail Mitch?
Today, 10:22 AM #4093 alphamike HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 4 Quote: Originally Posted by faust i'v been holding a core position since the early fhal days-my name isn't on the list.Either i have air-shares or Scottrade blew it....
I checked the list last night when it came out and I was not on the list. This morning I emailed Mitch Sepaniak and my name was added to the list within 30 minutes of my email.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: REMEMBER THIS: Higher highs and lower lows.
I think this is the last attempt to give the shorts a chance. Maybe we don't need em for our reset.
Maybe halt stock today, tomorrow to finish up all share counts and move'er on up to NASDAQ.
Just pure speculation on my part. Now back to heart catheterizations, dysrythmias, and why swan ganz catheter is better than central line.
Good day all and have a great weekend. See ya over the weekend sometime.
Swan Ganz catheter allows for better cardiac monitoring as the intra-chamber pressures can provide a better assessment of BP for meds management, particularly in heart failure post MI or CABG.
Just MHO.
Wow, You go DOG!!! Also, MAke sure you get a thourough CP assessment!!
Posted by hawki2 on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2: Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
The list is by FIRST name first; not LAST name first. I'll bet you are on there.
I looked both ways...Not on the list
just keep calling or emailing mitch, I'm sure your fine, it's your brokers responsibility as long as the shares are in your account...
I hope everything is OK. I have a full history of buys in my TDA account and the shares are all showing. Why won't TDA release my name to CSHD?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
did you ask them to not release your name to any company who's stock you own. If you did this you would be on the obo list
Posted by hawki2 on :
Thanks St. Matt....I have emailed Mitch already. Let's see what happens.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Who thinks this will break tomorrow????
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: REMEMBER THIS: Higher highs and lower lows.
I think this is the last attempt to give the shorts a chance. Maybe we don't need em for our reset.
Maybe halt stock today, tomorrow to finish up all share counts and move'er on up to NASDAQ.
Just pure speculation on my part. Now back to heart catheterizations, dysrythmias, and why swan ganz catheter is better than central line.
Good day all and have a great weekend. See ya over the weekend sometime.
Swan Ganz catheter allows for better cardiac monitoring as the intra-chamber pressures can provide a better assessment of BP for meds management, particularly in heart failure post MI or CABG.
Just MHO.
Wow, You go DOG!!! Also, MAke sure you get a thourough CP assessment!!
Thank you VERY MUCH! I was having a hard time finding that in the book. AWESOME!!! Now I may continue on, Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2: Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
The list is by FIRST name first; not LAST name first. I'll bet you are on there.
I looked both ways...Not on the list
Hawk, check out this post from HSM...have you tried to e-mail Mitch?
Today, 10:22 AM #4093 alphamike HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Land of Lincoln Posts: 4 Quote: Originally Posted by faust i'v been holding a core position since the early fhal days-my name isn't on the list.Either i have air-shares or Scottrade blew it....
I checked the list last night when it came out and I was not on the list. This morning I emailed Mitch Sepaniak and my name was added to the list within 30 minutes of my email.
bump, I would do what this guy did, make sure you include you name and the position you hold. But like I said, your fine as long as they are showing in your account, it's all on your broker now...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Who thinks this will break tomorrow????
-define "break" -gulp.
Posted by CRab on :
ya'll see us heading to about 1.80 here shortly, the hand of god not withstanding?
edit: of course right after "I" say something we start to get a little action, lol...
Posted by cool AZ on :
... with all this chit piling up, there must be a horse (10k) around here somewhere!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Who thinks this will break tomorrow????
-define "break" -gulp.
Day is not over yet.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Ruthie... I got "spanked!" lol ~~~
from Scotturd!
You have several options available to you at this time. You can simply reduce the number of trades you do and adhere to the three-business day settlement date. You can provide additional cash to the account to support your desired trading activity. Finally, you can sign a margin agreement which will allow you to trade without the 3 business day hold on sales proceeds. However, a consideration with signing a margin agreement would be the requirement by industry regulations, that if you do 4 roundtrips (a buy and a sell in the same security) in a five day period you will be considered a pattern day trader and will be required to maintain $25,000 minimum equity in the account. There could also be interest charges that would apply on any debit balances past settlement date. Please note that margin trading is not allowed for Retirement and Custodial accounts. Internal Revenue Service rules limits the amount of contributions for Retirement accounts, which may restrict the amount of cash you can deposit into your account. We ask that you please make an immediate adjustment to your trading patterns since we may be required to place future restrictions on your account.
lol chart!
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: REMEMBER THIS: Higher highs and lower lows.
I think this is the last attempt to give the shorts a chance. Maybe we don't need em for our reset.
Maybe halt stock today, tomorrow to finish up all share counts and move'er on up to NASDAQ.
Just pure speculation on my part. Now back to heart catheterizations, dysrythmias, and why swan ganz catheter is better than central line.
Good day all and have a great weekend. See ya over the weekend sometime.
In my humble background, I have a hard time agreeing with this. I don't mean for this to be argumentative. I find it hard to believe that the shorts a getting one last chance to get out. I don't think anyone involved with this security is doing this. Other then the price moving down because there are doubters out there, I think the manipulation of price is over. If the above quote is accurate, who do you think is doing it ? .........In no way am trying to be a smart ass. I just don't think every time it goes down, it is because of manipulation. Because of what we know, this stock will eventually explode to a very high price. I think that in this type of atmosphere, you can expect slides. Good things are in the horizon for CSHD. Keep your heads up.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Wow this is some rebound!
Liking it Posted by dog on :
Love those nickel drops..lol
Posted by dog on :
People not on the list panicked and sold....
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Wow this is some rebound!
Liking it
Lets hope it sticks.
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: People not on the list panicked and sold....
I agree 100%
Posted by maumee river rat on :
I was gunna say Walker,,,,,, I think this will bounce up from here ( the low 2's that is) and end up ok today....
And I meant , Take off like a rocket.....when I said "break"
Posted by CRab on :
yeah a few minutes ago they dropped us a nickel on less than five thousand shares...i think it went from like 2.17 to 2.12, unreal...
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by dog: People not on the list panicked and sold....
I agree 100%
good possibility...
Posted by a surfer on :
OMG I left for a couple hours. Are you guys O.K. I don't know how you can watch.. This is brutal.
Any word from anyone??
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: I was gunna say Walker,,,,,, I think this will bounce up from here ( the low 2's that is) and end up ok today....
And I meant , Take off like a rocket.....when I said "break"
whew... ~~ ha ha ~~
I quick panned out to weekly charts and was looking for something! lol ~~
Saw the 1.83-ish ress point and had to wonder! Posted by Chartwalker on :
So what does everyone think??
"When will Rufus release 10k-Zilla?!"
-do we think Friday and let everyone freak on it over the weekend, or do we think Rufus will wait till Monday and just drop it like a bomb, -maybe fitting into the "one fall swoop" thing....
"?" -thoughts board???
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: People not on the list panicked and sold....
That...and people who were in this simply for the "short squeeze" bailed when they saw that the list show less than 2 million short (I think there are more who chose to not be listed).
Time will tell. Posted by RyanPBF on :
He very well might kill me if he waits till monday to release the 10-k. Which means that's what he'll probably due at the last sec.
Posted by jaztile1 on :
Chartwalker Member
Member Rated: posted October 12, 2006 11:58 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So what does everyone think??
"When will Rufus release 10k-Zilla?!"
I do like the friday the 13th theory
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: So what does everyone think??
"When will Rufus release 10k-Zilla?!"
-do we think Friday and let everyone freak on it over the weekend, or do we think Rufus will wait till Monday and just drop it like a bomb, -maybe fitting into the "one fall swoop" thing....
"?" -thoughts board???
Chart if he waits till mon. I think we will see some building jumpers.
I hope to God he doesn't wait. Today would be fine with me.
This is troubling just seeing this let alone what will happen by mon.
Oh and can you imagine the bashers this weekend....
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: So what does everyone think??
"When will Rufus release 10k-Zilla?!"
-do we think Friday and let everyone freak on it over the weekend, or do we think Rufus will wait till Monday and just drop it like a bomb, -maybe fitting into the "one fall swoop" thing....
"?" -thoughts board???
I am thinking tomorrow...with an announcement that CSHD will start on Monday listed on the Nasdaq.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: So what does everyone think??
"When will Rufus release 10k-Zilla?!"
-do we think Friday and let everyone freak on it over the weekend, or do we think Rufus will wait till Monday and just drop it like a bomb, -maybe fitting into the "one fall swoop" thing....
"?" -thoughts board???
I am thinking tomorrow...with an announcement that CSHD will start on Monday listed on the Nasdaq.
If that happens... we may not need a reset.
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: So what does everyone think??
"When will Rufus release 10k-Zilla?!"
-do we think Friday and let everyone freak on it over the weekend, or do we think Rufus will wait till Monday and just drop it like a bomb, -maybe fitting into the "one fall swoop" thing....
"?" -thoughts board???
I'm thinking Monday, but hoping yesterday!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I like your St.Matt, but I think Monday myself. It will cause more Panic, the stock will just take off on the news.... (I bet) MO
PYPR is doing a NOBO!!! LOVE IT!!
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by dog: People not on the list panicked and sold....
I agree 100%
The drop was part of no less than three combined events. So in a best case senario you are approx. 33% right.
Posted by thedoctor on :
I can't speak for Rufus. He is very unconventional. I have dealt with several CEO's and they usually get something like a 10K out as soon as it is ready. I can never remember someone waiting to release it for the suspence. I would look for it today or certainly no later than tomorrow.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by hawki2: Does anyone know what you need to do if you are not listed on the Shareholder list? I've been a shareholder since April 15. The FHAL days. I'm trading with TDA
I have called; left message and emailed Mitch.
Has anyone received guidance from Mitch on what to do?
The list is by FIRST name first; not LAST name first. I'll bet you are on there.
Chicago Fans...Here's tha plan. CSHD resets and we have plenty of cash to go to the Super Bowl...50 yard line!! We can all have a tailgaiting party with the rental Escalades we pick up from the airport...Wish the SuperBowl was in Chicago. I'm dying for a real Hot Dog (with Cucumbers) BEARYAH... (Boohyah)
That's such a plan...but after the game, can we catch a flight to Vegas for a little follow up par-tay?
I was thinking more like New York to go to Dinner with B.B. LOL but Vegas will work too.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Does no one find it sketchy that he didn't put out a PR letting shareholders know to check the list or call Mitch if they arent on it.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
DALLAS--(BUSINESS WIRE)--PayPro, Inc. (Pink Sheets:PYPR - News) CEO Mike Terrell stated, "After careful review of the NOBO and DTC lists we believe there is a major short position hurting our shareholders and the company. I have reported the Market Makers and brokers I believe to be illegally shorting our stock..
--->>In our opinion there are certain Market Makers and brokers deliberately hurting our stock, and our investors, and to that end I have filed complaints with the NASD." ===================================== About time!!! Turn the lights on!!!
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: REMEMBER THIS: Higher highs and lower lows.
I think this is the last attempt to give the shorts a chance. Maybe we don't need em for our reset.
Maybe halt stock today, tomorrow to finish up all share counts and move'er on up to NASDAQ.
Just pure speculation on my part. Now back to heart catheterizations, dysrythmias, and why swan ganz catheter is better than central line.
Good day all and have a great weekend. See ya over the weekend sometime.
In my humble background, I have a hard time agreeing with this. I don't mean for this to be argumentative. I find it hard to believe that the shorts a getting one last chance to get out. I don't think anyone involved with this security is doing this. Other then the price moving down because there are doubters out there, I think the manipulation of price is over. If the above quote is accurate, who do you think is doing it ? .........In no way am trying to be a smart ass. I just don't think every time it goes down, it is because of manipulation. Because of what we know, this stock will eventually explode to a very high price. I think that in this type of atmosphere, you can expect slides. Good things are in the horizon for CSHD. Keep your heads up.
Your right Doc, maybe they are not getting another chance.
"Just pure speculation on my part", so believe as you wish Sir.
And just for the record I've been scolded many times for looking at the charts and stating its going down. But you know what, we have the rest of today and Fri. Mon is the 16th.
Doc, just for the record: If pH = 7.35 pCO2 = 28 HCO3 = 27
what type of interpretation would you have?
Posted by cool AZ on :
my guess - 10k today, halt, then resume trading on the Naz on Monday ... JMO!
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
Guess I'll just have to post THIS in the new thread to go with the new title.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I like your St.Matt, but I think Monday myself. It will cause more Panic, the stock will just take off on the news.... (I bet)
It's possible Chart: Remember when Rufus said he was negotiating with the SEC in relation to the shorts? It's possible the SEC asked Rufus to wait until the last possible moment...Possibly in exchange for no hassles in moving to the Nasdaq. Rufas has stated several times that this was his goal.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by cool AZ: my guess - 10k today, halt, then resume trading on the Naz on Monday ... JMO!
I like your opinion! Posted by thedoctor on :
MoneyMoneyMoney ....I would never try to scold you. To much respect for you. I am the one who has been scolded in the past. LOL
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Doc, just for the record: If pH = 7.35 pCO2 = 28 HCO3 = 27
Uhmmmm,....
"You just came from a party at rat's house?!!" LOL ~ Posted by thedoctor on :
Good point St Matthew
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I like your St.Matt, but I think Monday myself. It will cause more Panic, the stock will just take off on the news.... (I bet)
It's possible Chart: Remember when Rufus said he was negotiating with the SEC in relation to the shorts? It's possible the SEC asked Rufus to wait until the last possible moment...Possibly in exchange for no hassles in moving to the Nasdaq. Rufas has stated several times that this was his goal.
whoa.... That DOES sound like a play!!!!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: MoneyMoneyMoney ....I would never try to scold you. To much respect for you. I am the one who has been scolded in the past. LOL
You are all good now Doc.
Posted by TimW on :
Im going to have to play rufus on this one.
Itll be "tomorrow"
Posted by thedoctor on :
Money.....If pCO2=28, I am hyperventilating. LOL
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Im going to have to play rufus on this one.
Itll be "tomorrow"
Ben would say..."It will be soon...real soon". Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Money.....If pCO2=28, I am hyperventilating. LOL
I WAS right! -party at rats! Posted by cool AZ on :
BTW ... pH 7.35 - normal pCO2 28 - low .. some hyperventilation at play HCO3 27 - slightly elevated
diagnosis: anxious for 10k! LOL!
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Money.....If pCO2=28, I am hyperventilating. LOL
Think respiratory acidosis (just starting) or compensation for metabolic abnormalities.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Doc, just for the record: If pH = 7.35 pCO2 = 28 HCO3 = 27
Uhmmmm,....
"You just came from a party at rat's house?!!" LOL ~
well, your talking about the other one, but close
Doc? Just curious if you were to know?
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Money.....If pCO2=28, I am hyperventilating. LOL
Think respiratory acidosis (just starting) or compensation for metabolic abnormalities.
Just kidding... I mean it's time to walk away from this mess and go eat lunch!
Posted by cool AZ on :
no resp acidosis with normal pH ... meta comp possible, but, I like anxious for a 10k best!
Posted by milliam on :
pH 7.35 pCO2 28 HCO3 27
Hmmm, I would guess that I need some more lime on my clover plot and I need to get my emissions checked on my car .
Posted by dog on :
Wow.. dead in the water or halt? last trade 11 minutes ago?
Posted by thedoctor on :
Money....Acid Indigestion
Posted by dog on :
OK... back to beating it down... see ya after lunch.
Posted by cool AZ on :
you must be locked-up dog ...
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Wow.. dead in the water or halt? last trade 11 minutes ago?
you had to say it...LOL
Posted by CRab on :
i think your ticker is busted dog...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
they going to start dropping us again?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
sweet dog!! right on, you know your stuff! yep doc, you too.
Ok, I better git. The Davis Drug guide is calling my name now .
Posted by betting babe on :
we can just pull an allnighter and start the party in nyc then fly our private jet to vegas for round 2
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: I was thinking more like New York to go to Dinner with B.B. LOL but Vegas will work too.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by cool AZ: no resp acidosis with normal pH ... meta comp possible, but, I like anxious for a 10k best!
Very nice! We really do have a very intelligent group of folks here at Allstocks!!!
It is an honor to learn from so many.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
nice .07 spread
Posted by Igor R on :
Anyone an etrade expert? My friend just wired money into his account this morning, and its there now. But he isn't able to buy otcbb stocks for 7 days cause of Etrades rule. So he wants to take the money out and give it to me and I'll put it in my account. But theyre giving him some kind of bs excuse that he won't be able to wire it out until the 23rd. Is there anything he can do?
Posted by CRab on :
etrade recently changed their "quick transfer" policy, it used to be as soon as you completed a quick transfer the funds were available for investment...the only wait involved was for a CASH withdrawl, which was three days...now though there is a wait to even use the funds for trading...
it's a bunch of BS...
Posted by tyleemary on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Anyone an etrade expert? My friend just wired money into his account this morning, and its there now. But he isn't able to buy otcbb stocks for 7 days cause of Etrades rule. So he wants to take the money out and give it to me and I'll put it in my account. But theyre giving him some kind of bs excuse that he won't be able to wire it out until the 23rd. Is there anything he can do?
I am not sure if it is there rule. They just 90 day'd my primary, so I am now using my etrade acct under my wifes name til January.
Posted by F4i4Brian on :
Do you guys really think this could move to the NASDAQ so soon? I believe the initial standards require the company to have a $5 minimum bid price and at least 3 market makers.
Maybe after the reset takes place....?
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by F4i4Brian: Do you guys really think this could move to the NASDAQ so soon? I believe the initial standards require the company to have a $5 minimum bid price and at least 3 market makers.
Maybe after the reset takes place....?
Covered this already, but yes I think we can and will. Go read ALL the requirements and allowances. GLTY
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: we can just pull an allnighter and start the party in nyc then fly our private jet to vegas for round 2
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: I was thinking more like New York to go to Dinner with B.B. LOL but Vegas will work too.
Sounds like a plan - we'll all meet at BB's place. Posted by new2stocks on :
Listing Requirements for All Companies Rule 4420 Each company must have a minimum of 1.1 million publicly-traded shares upon listing, excluding those held by officers, directors or any beneficial owners of more then 10% of the company. The minimum bid price of the stock upon listing must be at least $5. Each listing firm is also required to follow Nasdaq Corporate Governance rules 4350, 4351 and 4360. Companies must also have at least 400 shareholders. A shareholder is defined by Nasdaq as a holder of over 100 shares.
Requirement Rule 4420 (a) The company must have a minimum shareholder equity of $15 million. The operating income from either the last fiscal year, or two of the last three years, must total a minimum of $1 million. The company must have a minimum of three market makers that will provide liquidity to the trading of their stock. The market value of the publicly-held shares upon trading must be worth at least $8 million.
Requirement Rule 4420 (b) The company must have a minimum shareholder equity of $30 million. The market value of the shares traded must be at least $18 million upon listing. The company also has to have a minimum operating history of two years. It is also required to have three market makers. What can be seen here is that if a company did not earn enough to meet the operating income minimum, they need to have greater shareholder equity and a larger market value.
Requirement Rule 4420 (c) Under this requirement companies must have at least $75 million in total assets, total revenue, or listed securities. Listed securities as defined by the Nasdaq are securities listed on either a Nasdaq or another national exchange. The market value of the shares upon listing must be worth at least $20 million. They are also required to add an additional market maker for a total of four market makers.
A company has three ways to get listed on the Nasdaq depending on the underlying fundamentals of the company. If a company does not meet certain criteria such as the operating income minimum, it has to make it up with larger minimum amounts in another area like revenue. This helps to improve the quality of companies listed on the exchange.
It doesn't end there: after a company gets listed on the market, it must maintain certain standards to continue trading. Failure to meet the specifications set out by the stock exchange will result in its delisting. Falling below the minimum required share price, or market capitalization, is one of the major factors triggering a delisting. Again, the exact details of delisting depend on the exchange
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: REMEMBER THIS: Higher highs and lower lows.
I think this is the last attempt to give the shorts a chance. Maybe we don't need em for our reset.
Maybe halt stock today, tomorrow to finish up all share counts and move'er on up to NASDAQ.
Just pure speculation on my part. Now back to heart catheterizations, dysrythmias, and why swan ganz catheter is better than central line.
Good day all and have a great weekend. See ya over the weekend sometime.
In my humble background, I have a hard time agreeing with this. I don't mean for this to be argumentative. I find it hard to believe that the shorts a getting one last chance to get out. I don't think anyone involved with this security is doing this. Other then the price moving down because there are doubters out there, I think the manipulation of price is over. If the above quote is accurate, who do you think is doing it ? .........In no way am trying to be a smart ass. I just don't think every time it goes down, it is because of manipulation. Because of what we know, this stock will eventually explode to a very high price. I think that in this type of atmosphere, you can expect slides. Good things are in the horizon for CSHD. Keep your heads up.
Your right Doc, maybe they are not getting another chance.
"Just pure speculation on my part", so believe as you wish Sir.
And just for the record I've been scolded many times for looking at the charts and stating its going down. But you know what, we have the rest of today and Fri. Mon is the 16th.
Doc, just for the record: If pH = 7.35 pCO2 = 28 HCO3 = 27
what type of interpretation would you have?
He's not that kind of Doctor.
Who the hecks labs are these. I sure hope you made them up!
Is this person having cardiac compliacations, any kidney trouble?
Posted by glassman on :
Who the hecks labs are these.
what's the blood sugar?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
hey rat you still seeing a runup eod?
Posted by thedoctor on :
Glassman...., I think Money was try to tell us he had Acid Indegestion over the market price. That is the reading you would get if you had it. LOL
Posted by cool AZ on :
jenna ... these are blood gases (ABG's), usually obtained from an arterial puncture or from an arterial line ... used to assess patients with breathing difficulties or management of a ventilator. Now let's see some life breathed into CSHD!
Posted by thedoctor on :
The only reason I knew that is my golf partner was in my office here when he asked that question. He is an Internal Specialist. LOL
Posted by dog on :
Is CSHD a No Code?
I sure as hell hope not cuz I'll jump on top of her and give a cardiac thump!
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Who the hecks labs are these.
what's the blood sugar?
lol, for study purposes only Glassman. I was just curious as to if he was a Doc was a MD.
I'm heading into my cardiac test tomorrow and trying to get some more studying done while watching the stock. My problem is I keep looking to see whats going on and not enough of the other.
gotta go. comp off GO CSHD!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
If anyone is interested, Patrick Burns CEO of overstock.com is live on cfrn radio show talking about the naked shorting problems.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
dog start thumping cause this one doesn't look like it's got much life right now.
Posted by cassity on :
Some interesting broadcasting in the paltalk room!
Posted by new2stocks on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cassity: Some interesting broadcasting in the paltalk room! [/QUOTE that is the interview with Patrick Burns
Posted by RyanPBF on :
what's being said cassity?
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Some interesting broadcasting in the paltalk room!
Ya Tease! Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by cool AZ: jenna ... these are blood gases (ABG's), usually obtained from an arterial puncture or from an arterial line ... used to assess patients with breathing difficulties or management of a ventilator. Now let's see some life breathed into CSHD!
I knew they were ABG's. I was just looking to much into. Just indigestion I guess. I just wonder why they would test blood gases if that was suspected, the person would've had to have chest pain. I guess it doesn't matter all a fake scenario anyway.
Respitory is not my area anyway.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: If anyone is interested, Patrick Burns CEO of overstock.com is live on cfrn radio show talking about the naked shorting problems.
bump
Posted by glassman on :
low blood alkalinity can be a sign of diabetic ketoacidosis... is the patient thirsty? Posted by cool AZ on :
Jenna, they tested ABG's because the patient was breathing fast (hyperventiling) and they wanted to see if it is a respiratory or metabolic component.
Posted by dog on :
You know...it does kinda make me all warm and fuzzy inside to be on the CSHD shareholders list.....
I hope it doesn't turn into painful nausea. LOL
I have so many bashers around me... if this is a joke (95% sure it's not) I'll probably have to leave town.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I'm having problems with my OTHER end today doc!!
-this stocks kick'n my azz today!!
However... 5 day 5min chart the default Macd crossed pos about 11:25 at -0.15 if it continues to climb to the neutral "0" mark, we could see a run.
[Rule of thumb, nothing is a for sure thing] MACD's crossing over the neutral line like to make nice breaksout there, check daily charts and you'll see ~ Posted by RyanPBF on :
rule of thumb and having problems with you other end. A little to much info chart. Thanks for sharing though Posted by RyanPBF on :
from our high of yesterday what are we down .87 this is pitiful
Posted by ClayN on :
Connor: The rule of thumb here is... Rosengurtie: Rule of thumb? Wait, rule of thumb? In the early 1900s it was legal for men to beat their wives, so long as they used a stick no wider than their thumb. Connor: Well, can't do much damage with that then can ya? Maybe it should have been a rule of wrist.
Sorry, couldn't help myself....
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I'm having problems with my OTHER end today doc!!
-this stocks kick'n my azz today!!
However... 5 day 5min chart the default Macd crossed pos about 11:25 at -0.15 if it continues to climb to the neutral "0" mark, we could see a run.
[Rule of thumb, nothing is a for sure thing] MACD's crossing over the neutral line like to make nice breaksout there, check daily charts and you'll see ~
Posted by TimW on :
This is what CSHD meant by "watch tomorrow" Posted by dog on :
yes... I'm thrilled that I'm down $34,000 today...uggh..
"Rufus says don't worry about the share price...", keep muttering to myself.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
yeah...
I'm just waiting for........... yep you guessed it...
"REPO!" Posted by betting babe on :
hrmm... interesting thing i was just rethinking.
this morning my buy order for LVZA said "pending approval" in the TDAm system.
i called up and gave them heck for holding up my order and censoring yet ANOTHER stock's buy order.
the excuse the woman gave me?
"WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE ENOUGH SHARES TO SELL TO YOU"
ahem, maybe there was a lesson learnt there
~BB
Posted by Chartwalker on :
yeah...
I'm just waiting for........... yep you guessed it...
"REPO!" Posted by RyanPBF on :
I think we're going down again Posted by Chartwalker on :
double post?...
Now that's spooky!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
not liking this...
everythings neg...
Posted by CRab on :
well i guess it's a good thing there is no volume then, lol...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
YES crab!
standoff at the OK corral ~
Hope she breaks to the top side...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: YES crab!
standoff at the OK corral ~
Hope she breaks to the top side...
You know what would help that along some friggin news!! Posted by RyanPBF on :
does anyone remember BGTN. I'm not sure I recognize them
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: hrmm... interesting thing i was just rethinking.
this morning my buy order for LVZA said "pending approval" in the TDAm system.
i called up and gave them heck for holding up my order and censoring yet ANOTHER stock's buy order.
the excuse the woman gave me?
"WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE ENOUGH SHARES TO SELL TO YOU"
ahem, maybe there was a lesson learnt there
~BB
i hope they just mispoke, cuz the way i interpret that is this:
they are not actually making a market at all....
i began to suspect this was the case quite awhile back when i noticed how many stocks had to go back and "fill the gaps" in the charts....
who are they actually trading with?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: YES crab!
standoff at the OK corral ~
Hope she breaks to the top side...
You know what would help that along some friggin news!!
another day of this..... OR TWO? (!!!)
NOT looking forward to that...
--hey breaking to the topside a little? Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: YES crab!
standoff at the OK corral ~
Hope she breaks to the top side...
You know what would help that along some friggin news!!
another day of this..... OR TWO? (!!!)
NOT looking forward to that...
--hey breaking to the topside a little?
For better or worse it's just two more trading days. If nothing is out come mon night tuesday morning. I'll be selling all I can.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
You and everyone's momma Ryan! lol ~~
Hey that MACHD neutral line crossing coming, getting closer and the price is moving Posted by dog on :
From Braveheart HSM...
Hello, i am compiling a 'sub-list' from our NOBO list of institutions, which may be of interest to people on this thread. Thanks to those of you that posted omissions.
If anyone sees any more let me know.
Cheers
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Posted by RyanPBF on :
this thing could go right back to our HOD with some buying pressure. I don't even think we would need a tone of buying pressure.
Posted by 10of13 on :
I sold some yesterday...and I am not real sure when or where to get back in...decisions decisions... My gut says it might fall more tomorrow...
Posted by TimW on :
Within the next hour is your last chance, but thats just my guess.
Posted by CRab on :
someone put in an order for 100k or so...i think that'll give us the kick in the *ss we need...
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I sold some yesterday...and I am not real sure when or where to get back in...decisions decisions... My gut says it might fall more tomorrow...
pppppplllllllleeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssseeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!
Posted by retiredat49 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: hrmm... interesting thing i was just rethinking.
this morning my buy order for LVZA said "pending approval" in the TDAm system.
i called up and gave them heck for holding up my order and censoring yet ANOTHER stock's buy order.
the excuse the woman gave me?
"WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THERE WERE ENOUGH SHARES TO SELL TO YOU"
ahem, maybe there was a lesson learnt there
~BB
i hope they just mispoke, cuz the way i interpret that is this:
they are not actually making a market at all....
i began to suspect this was the case quite awhile back when i noticed how many stocks had to go back and "fill the gaps" in the charts....
who are they actually trading with?
I have been seeing the same thing for quite some time now Glass....the markets aren't being made...they are being manipulated.
Posted by CRab on :
yeah it's kinda scary, almost like the MM's are using the OTC and OTC:BB companies as game pieces in their own little stockmarket game...
and how many times does the "piece" win the game?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Grabbed half back... I had an order for 2.10 earlier...and it went down right past me and then back up with out filling...jerks... I'll hold off a little longer for the other half...by doing this it is sure to keep rising...
Posted by betting babe on :
oof. good point glass.
Posted by Doniboy on :
Where is the NOBO list that I keep hearing about?
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: yeah it's kinda scary, almost like the MM's are using the OTC and OTC:BB companies as game pieces in their own little stockmarket game...
and how many times does the "piece" win the game?
MM's? large brokers? Both? hmmmmmm?
Posted by milliam on :
The new NOBO is at the bottom of that page.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I do like the fact that the total number of shares from DTC to NOBO are now so very close. But I have to wonder if today's drop wasn't a sell by large number of the market players who were in this for the squeeze of 75 million shares? I know others that found that their name was not on the list probably sold too. Just trying to account for today's sell-off, because the numbers listed on the site suggest that there should be more stablization on this stock.
Two million shorts to cover could have been done yesterday and today. Not a whole lot of volitility comming from the longs at this point, and day traders usually balance themselves out. Buy and then sell. Just pondering thoughts of today's version of "manipulation"
Posted by Goodones on :
Just talked with Mitchell who is in charge of the share holders list. Since my name did not appear on the list, he told me to request my certs. He stated that in the last 4 hours he had talk to about 300 people who were not on the list, and most of them had ameritrade for thier broker. He also stated that if Ameritrade could not produce my certs that it was thier problem not mine and to not worry that they will be forced to cover.
Posted by $$$bill on :
certificates???
Posted by RichBy26 on :
it's your brokers responsibility to cover, your fine $$$bill. But, you can order a cert if you really want to cover yourself..
Posted by RichBy26 on :
well, looks like it will be an after hours release if we get anything.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by Goodones: Just talked with Mitchell who is in charge of the share holders list. Since my name did not appear on the list, he told me to request my certs. He stated that in the last 4 hours he had talk to about 300 people who were not on the list, and most of them had ameritrade for thier broker. He also stated that if Ameritrade could not produce my certs that it was thier problem not mine and to not worry that they will be forced to cover.
He is hoping the ordering of certs will force them to cover their position. Yer good... no worries.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Goodones: Just talked with Mitchell who is in charge of the share holders list. Since my name did not appear on the list, he told me to request my certs. He stated that in the last 4 hours he had talk to about 300 people who were not on the list, and most of them had ameritrade for thier broker. He also stated that if Ameritrade could not produce my certs that it was thier problem not mine and to not worry that they will be forced to cover.
Well that sure is great the way we get treated by Rufus and company... Cause you know they DON'T have to help, isn't there problem.
Rufus said he would help, he has, yet another green flag
It would be AWESOME to see Ameriturd start covering! (300 people, say average 2500 shares each maybe, would = 750,000 shares needed!)
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: well, looks like it will be an after hours release if we get anything.
maybe I'm not holding my breath though. I think they'll use every available minute they have. I really hope I'm wrong but to me that seems the way it's going to go.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
This all is nothing but good news... now if they would just type it up and release it as such... HA! LOL GLTA IMO we are "in the money, baby".
Posted by Chartwalker on :
on the other side of this dip (10-15 minutes) is when that MACHD crossing neutral will happen. (5 min chart)
It's the one thing I see in the charts to give me hope for a EOD run...
or... we don't come out of the dip.... -gulp.
Posted by Vin on :
Wow, my paint just dried before the stock price moved....
Posted by St. Matthew on :
What...another freaking dip? Can we at least get some chips and a beer with all of these dips. Posted by 10of13 on :
Movin' up...C'mon baby!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: on the other side of this dip (10-15 minutes) is when that MACHD crossing neutral will happen. (5 min chart)
It's the one thing I see in the charts to give me hope for a EOD run...
or... we don't come out of the dip.... -gulp.
BUMP!!! Almost!!!
Posted by Vin on :
2.20 c'mon baby, build some steam... CHOOOO CHOOOO
Posted by RyanPBF on :
chart do you see a breakout after any certain pps?
Posted by cassity on :
10, I bet you have a pm!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'll see you guys in a little while.
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Goodones: Just talked with Mitchell who is in charge of the share holders list. Since my name did not appear on the list, he told me to request my certs. He stated that in the last 4 hours he had talk to about 300 people who were not on the list, and most of them had ameritrade for thier broker. He also stated that if Ameritrade could not produce my certs that it was thier problem not mine and to not worry that they will be forced to cover.
Well that sure is great the way we get treated by Rufus and company... Cause you know they DON'T have to help, isn't there problem.
Rufus said he would help, he has, yet another green flag
It would be AWESOME to see Ameriturd start covering! (300 people, say average 2500 shares each maybe, would = 750,000 shares needed!)
It's called corporate hand holding...you never got service like this before. This group is deserving of great thanks.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: chart do you see a breakout after any certain pps?
Just going off something that I've seen, and right now the MACD default setting 5 min chart is kissing the neutral line and the second like will do the same soon, so we are at the start of it, -should it happen...
Looks good
The 1 min charts should show another little dip yet...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: chart do you see a breakout after any certain pps?
Just going off something that I've seen, and right now the MACD default setting 5 min chart is kissing the neutral line and the second LINE will do the same soon, so we are at the start of it, -should it happen...
Looks good
The 1 min charts should show another little dip yet...
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Hey Chart.....you did not always repeat yourself, looks like you've got some double posting going on here...... , or has the game playing these MM's are on got you doing double-speak....LOL.. . . ....Seriously, Keep up the good work, I hope the other folks on this thread are as appreciative of your efforts as I am..... Posted by a surfer on :
Chart can we break the 2.25 wall
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: Hey Chart.....you did not always repeat yourself, looks like you've got some double posting going on here...... , or has the game playing these MM's are on got you doing double-speak....LOL.. . . ....Seriously, Keep up the good work, I hope the other folks on this thread are as appreciative of your efforts as I am.....
Chart is DA MAN!
Posted by ruthie on :
yes Chart, we all certainly do appreciate all the assistance you give us about the charts...I always take note when I see you have a post...
thanks a lot!!
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: yes Chart, we all certainly do appreciate all the assistance you give us about the charts...I always take note when I see you have a post...
thanks a lot!!
What kind of B.S. you slingen now Walker??? Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: yes Chart, we all certainly do appreciate all the assistance you give us about the charts...I always take note when I see you have a post...
thanks a lot!!
What kind of B.S. you slingen now Walker???
LOL
Posted by Chartwalker on :
what ever I can get away with rat!!ha ~
Just like everyone else here!
-we come out of this dip both MACD lines will be over the neutral line, a great spot for breakouts!
5min chart
Posted by dog on :
I should have been listening closer to Chart...
I probably bought the most expensive CSHD stock prior to today..
I have to admit that I have played this horribly.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
I hear any more butt Kissen' on this board Walker, I'm gunna have to get the adress for the Shrine they are building in your honer....
I may just have to pay it a visit!! Posted by Chartwalker on :
dog as many shares as you have, you could save chit load of money just heating your home with them all over winter!! LOL ~ Posted by ruthie on :
well dog, I did pretty well on this one so far, but I have had my share of buying high on some other stocks that did not play out well. Hopefully this one will get a good uptick soon and you will be sitting in a very good position...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
lol rat...
-DON'T even want to know what you'd do!!
Well the lines are there...
Let's see what happens...
Posted by Igor R on :
When this is all done, chart you want to start a little school on allstocks on how to read/understand charts for noobies like myself?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Race car can't race without FUEL! (volume) -try to dip it again!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: yes Chart, we all certainly do appreciate all the assistance you give us about the charts...I always take note when I see you have a post...
thanks a lot!!
Yea man...what she said... Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: I should have been listening closer to Chart...
I probably bought the most expensive CSHD stock prior to today..
I have to admit that I have played this horribly.
No worse than I, dog - I would be sitting with about triple the shares if I hadn't been playing it safe....
Posted by maumee river rat on :
All B.S. aside.....Looks like this did bounce up from those lows after all hey Walker???
I was a little nervouse about that when we last chatted...then I had to leave....
Glad it went the way I thought...(hoped)...
Has this been pretty daed most the day, or has it been bangen those lows alot....
I am not at my puter.....just doin a drive bye hit in someones office...LOL I gotta get outa' here before I get popped...
Answer this Q quick, I only got a minute....hehehe
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: When this is all done, chart you want to start a little school on allstocks on how to read/understand charts for noobies like myself?
I already tried that route with him - location is either Fiji or Aruba - he has yet to decide Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: When this is all done, chart you want to start a little school on allstocks on how to read/understand charts for noobies like myself?
This stock play pans out, I'll do this 24/4
I'll be on my home PC (not this pos) and learn how to send snapshots of intraday charts to here.
We'll get together LIVE and just make a killing!
ESPECIALLY if we don't have so much naked shorting going on, I LOVE what Rufus has done by putting that in the spotlight!
PS, newbies, rat has some excellent books on charting! -ask him. I know some good sites, like Stock charts dot com or clearstation dot com... [click on education tabs]
GLTA!!
Posted by a surfer on :
can we break 2.25 Cmon baby You can do it
Posted by dog on :
I was just so gunshy... very hard to predict this one....
every time I sold... the price jumped.
True... I'm double up on cash value (if I sell), but I could be double up on shares as well with what's happened.
Oh well... hind sight is 20/20.
Posted by a surfer on :
this the breakout??? back to 4.00
Posted by dog on :
I'll fire up a server platform and we can have our own interactive suite... keep it in mind after this.
I know I'll be taking a little hiatus from trades after this.
Posted by djg7 on :
Broke through 2.25.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
what do ya know... she is popping
-after banging lows...
Posted by a surfer on :
13920 on the buy
Posted by a surfer on :
then 20000 sell AWWW
Posted by RichBy26 on :
man, who keeps dumping in 20K blocks???
Posted by Chartwalker on :
diping it ~ -or trying! Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: I was just so gunshy... very hard to predict this one....
every time I sold... the price jumped.
True... I'm double up on cash value (if I sell), but I could be double up on shares as well with what's happened.
Oh well... hind sight is 20/20.
Dog...I had some of that luck as well...and I'm usually pretty good at it. I bought most of mine at around $1.00, but some at $2.00 (before it went to $1.80) and some at $2.70 (before it went to $2.45) and then there was today at $2.40 when it fell to $2.01 shortly afterward.
Problem is, when the MM's are in control (not sure that was the issue today), you just gotta jump in with your eyes closed.
There were also times when I wanted to buy, but didn't and then some news came out...and I was screwed. Those are the times that really pizz me off.
Posted by TimW on :
Anyone know what we were supposed to be watching for today?
Posted by new2stocks on :
I'm watching it snow right now.... Posted by retiredat49 on :
I'm watching a blizzard...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
-watch as my parade gets dumped on!
-gotta laugh cause it hurts so much! LOL ~
coming around for another shot... 1 of 4 pos now
Posted by dog on :
Last chance to buy.
I hope.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
that 1.78 to 1.84 area is lookin pretty powerful to me Walker......,What say you??/
Posted by a surfer on :
hope they don't drop us 30 cents in the last 10 min. like yesterday
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: that 1.78 to 1.84 area is lookin pretty powerful to me Walker......,What say you??/
tomorrow that'll really come into play...
going down ~~~~~~~~~~~ chit.
Posted by dog on :
They are gonna try... man will I be happy not having to watch this chit anymore.
Posted by a surfer on :
el pathetico
Posted by TimW on :
last deperate attempt before afterhours news... anyone?
Posted by Vin on :
I am so with you Dog, I can't handle watching this crapola much longer. It wears on you day after day after day....
Let's see if they can push this thing below 2.
Posted by betting babe on :
watching? i know what im watching...
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Anyone know what we were supposed to be watching for today?
Posted by a surfer on :
close at low on day at this F**ckin rate!!!
Posted by dog on :
Whoa.... ask beefed up suddenly... head fake?
Posted by new2stocks on :
man I need a rolaid!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
yes... they'll drop it.
Posted by TimW on :
Drop it like a fat kid with a diet.
Posted by a surfer on :
good time to buy....LOL
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: last deperate attempt before afterhours news... anyone?
Hope your right!!!!!
If we don't get some psychological help here.......SOON.....
There is compelling evidence in the chart to support a pull back to the.......,get this.....you ready?.........1.04 area.....Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!
NEED THE NEWS RUFAS!!!!!
Posted by Vin on :
What's a day without closing it on a down tick?
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Commin' back a little......YEHHHHHHH!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Drop it like a fat kid with a diet.
lol
Posted by TimW on :
What were those big transactions.. i dont have L2.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
That was pure manipulative B.S. ..EOD....
Posted by Chartwalker on :
It's tomorrow that bugs me...
"Come on Rufus...."
Posted by betting babe on :
tick tock tick tock... that's me becoming a ticking cshd bomb.
watch tomorrow... watch the next day... watch everyone oooooooo ahhhhhh
grrrrrrr
~BB
Posted by Vin on :
Ok Rufus, we've hung in there longer than any normal/sane person could be expected to do. Give us something! I'm SOOOOO tired watching this chit every day.
Let's hope for REAL news and a better day tomorrow.
Posted by a surfer on :
I just left a message on his phone. Please help.
No chit..
1.04 would really suck
Posted by RichBy26 on :
tomorrow, tomorrow, watch, watch....well, lets hope we get a bone soon, man I'm ready for this to end...
Posted by TimW on :
lol... cant be too upset, he didnt say we would enjoy what we watched.
Posted by Vin on :
surfer....LOL!
Posted by new2stocks on :
FWIW
tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 257 I just talked with Mitchell Sepaniuk and this is the conversation. (My question) "I understand the 10k and 10q will be out by the latest Monday morning?" (His answer) "Yes." (My question) "Is it possible before Monday?" (His answer) "That is correct."
This to me sounds very good. I believe we are there shareholders and what I am going to say is hold strong now. We are there in front of the gates and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear something sooner.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: What were those big transactions.. i dont have L2.
favors for MM's friends! ha ~~
jk-ing~~
or maybe not!
Posted by Doniboy on :
DAMN. I tried to get back in at $2.08 and didn't get it. OH well.
Posted by dlab on :
Today, 03:56 PM #4854 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 257 I just talked with Mitchell Sepaniuk and this is the conversation. (My question) "I understand the 10k and 10q will be out by the latest Monday morning?" (His answer) "Yes." (My question) "Is it possible before Monday?" (His answer) "That is correct."
This to me sounds very good. I believe we are there shareholders and what I am going to say is hold strong now. We are there in front of the gates and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear something sooner.
Posted by TimW on :
LOL.. my volume ticker jumped up nearly 40,000 in a few seconds.. guess ill wait till cvsu.us has those on their sheet.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: FWIW
tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 257 I just talked with Mitchell Sepaniuk and this is the conversation. (My question) "I understand the 10k and 10q will be out by the latest Monday morning?" (His answer) "Yes." (My question) "Is it possible before Monday?" (His answer) "That is correct."
This to me sounds very good. I believe we are there shareholders and what I am going to say is hold strong now. We are there in front of the gates and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear something sooner.
Well they also said watch today??? TUT is just a pawn like us, we sit and wait together...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: That was pure manipulative B.S. ..EOD....
you should work up some sweet numbers (S & R) for tomorrow for us should we need them...
Longer term stuff ~
... "The GOOD stuff" Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: FWIW
tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 257 I just talked with Mitchell Sepaniuk and this is the conversation. (My question) "I understand the 10k and 10q will be out by the latest Monday morning?" (His answer) "Yes." (My question) "Is it possible before Monday?" (His answer) "That is correct."
This to me sounds very good. I believe we are there shareholders and what I am going to say is hold strong now. We are there in front of the gates and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear something sooner.
I will hunt this tut guy down man and ..................... J/K tut
Come on!!!
Kind of feel like I am stranded on a deserted island. Writing HELP in the sand..
Posted by maumee river rat on :
I'm kinda DIGGEN' the Friday the 13th senario.....
A classic pre-Halloween "Trick or Treat""" Posted by TimW on :
lol trick or treat...
I say just give me the candy!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Tut's posts are just not what they used to be. Ever since he was on subpenny radio, he lost his glam.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: That was pure manipulative B.S. ..EOD....
you should work up some sweet numbers (S & R) for tomorrow for us should we need them...
Longer term stuff ~
... "The GOOD stuff"
LOL....Thanks for the vote of confidence Walker!!!! I appreciate that...LOL
Na!!!! Your doin a fine job Pal.....I only toss sumthin' at ya when I see sumthin that you didn't mention....
I'll be around tomorrow,here and there..
P.S. SNOWEN' LIKE A BIOTCH NOW BUDDY!!!!!! hate this chit....don't think it will stck long though...
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
FWIW....tut-eister should check his spelling....Mitch's last name is spelled.."Sepaniak". Aside from this observation, I sure hope he is well informed. perhaps a verifying call to Mitch is in order..........people on HSM have been treated to fake notices that the 10-K is out all afternoon....lots of children playing over there methinks..
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 257 I just talked with Mitchell Sepaniuk and this is the conversation. (My question) "I understand the 10k and 10q will be out by the latest Monday morning?" (His answer) "Yes." (My question) "Is it possible before Monday?" (His answer) "That is correct."
This to me sounds very good. I believe we are there shareholders and what I am going to say is hold strong now. We are there in front of the gates and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear something sooner.
Posted by cool AZ on :
Ya new2, tut was a bit more mysterious before his coming on the air ... but, the content is the content one way or the other ... just a different package. In the book, we'll leave him on the mysterious side!
Posted by SherriT on :
I just like the "before Monday morning part"...it didn't say before close of business Monday, it said BEFORE MONDAY MORNING. At worst, if that is true, we have one more day of manipulation....
Posted by TimW on :
How do you tell sell vs buy on the cvsu.us quotemedia chart.. I would assume on the right red sell green buy, but theres red dotted background too ?
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: FWIW
tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 257 I just talked with Mitchell Sepaniuk and this is the conversation. (My question) "I understand the 10k and 10q will be out by the latest Monday morning?" (His answer) "Yes." (My question) "Is it possible before Monday?" (His answer) "That is correct."
This to me sounds very good. I believe we are there shareholders and what I am going to say is hold strong now. We are there in front of the gates and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear something sooner.
Well they also said watch today??? TUT is just a pawn like us, we sit and wait together...
Tut has some DD resources I believe we do not have. He is not all knowing but not a devious guy either.
Posted by new2stocks on :
So maybe the 10k and 10Q are coming out together? (per Tut's post)
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I'm getting tired of tut. I called Mitchell ( My question) "I understand the 10k and 10q will be out by the latest Monday morning?" (His answer) "Yes." (My question) "Is it possible before Monday?" (His answer) "That is correct."
and then he says he thinks this is good news. This might be the most down right stupid post ever. I don't know about you guys, but I feel pretty sure that I know all this already. what a tool. I'm glad we have Columbo on the case to crack this mystery on when the 10-k has to be filed by.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
I haven't laughed that hard in awhile Ryan. TUT=Columbo...hahahaha Now lets see the goods already!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
just getting irritated first deadline for the 10k. There's no way we're missing the deadline well I guess they didn't they filed the extension. Don't they have til end of business monday to file the 10k? If that's the case we have 2 more days of the crap we had today.
Posted by portman on :
I will say this one more time...
We all need to be comfortable with the level of risk. Long ago I decided that whatever this play panned out to be that I would be comfortable with the level of loss. Each of us needs to be in that place.
It is place rolaid free where you can sleep at night. You may not maximize profit every time but you are content with risk vs reward.
Also, step away from the DD once in a while. Do not become obsessed and emotional. Have a little fun.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by portman: I will say this one more time...
We all need to be comfortable with the level of risk. Long ago I decided that whatever this play panned out to be that I would be comfortable with the level of loss. Each of us needs to be in that place.
It is place rolaid free where you can sleep at night. You may not maximize profit every time but you are content with risk vs reward.
Also, step away from the DD once in a while. Do not become obsessed and emotional. Have a little fun.
Nice reminder....I think most, if not all, of us are comfortable with our positions....it's just starting to feel like we are at the race track running around like a bunch of greyhounds chasing a carrot...and not getting anywhere. The longs have been here for months...just ready for more change IMHO
Posted by RyanPBF on :
port I am comfortable and have been with my position in this stock. What I don't like is when promises are made and not kept. Much easier to keep one's mouth shut and deliver than to promise and fail. When that happens people feel that there's that proberbial carrot being dangled in front of them. I'm not saying that is what's happening here.
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: just getting irritated first deadline for the 10k. There's no way we're missing the deadline well I guess they didn't they filed the extension. Don't they have til end of business monday to file the 10k? If that's the case we have 2 more days of the crap we had today.
Bump
Posted by SherriT on :
Good gravy - we both went for the carrot, Ryan! LMAO
Posted by St. Matthew on :
FWIW...here is another prediction...but this one seems to pin down Monday. Based on the conversation I had with Mitch last time we were at this stage (close to deadline), he was very careful not to pin anything down. In other words, this guy might have interpreted what he is posting.
Today, 03:09 PM #4911 Godchaser HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Daphne, AL Posts: 183 UPDATE....... I just spoke with someone at the cshd office and during our conversation I asked if we had any new information out yet jokingly. This person responded immediately and said the 10Q/10K will be released monday. I said can you give me a time??? He said absolutely not... So there you guys have it. I love HSM and wanted my fellow shareholders to be in the know.
Posted by JHenry on :
If the trend continues Monday they should be saying it will be out by Friday.
Posted by cool AZ on :
I see the "real" information is that the 10k needs to be out by Monday, which includes after market closing.
Tut saying "by the latest Monday morning" is cool, but, is not real information. OK, I like the indication tut is giving, I'll rally around it a bit, but, will not rely on it. JMO
Posted by TimW on :
Not at all JHenry.
Monday they will say it will be out tuesday, tuesday they say weds... etc... So on THURSDAY, they will say it will be by friday. Posted by ruthie on :
Thanks St. Matthew!
Posted by a surfer on :
I am done guessing and take portmans stance.
Its all or nothing and I am not budging.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well Tim if anyone's still hanging around this after first thing Tues. morning. You're crazy imo. If it's not there Monday evening don't they get the dreaded E.
Posted by TimW on :
Oh definetly, it was just to emphasize on the tomorrow trend Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'm hanging in until the deadline, but you can bet you bottom dollar if it's not out on time I'll have my running shoes laced up to run as fast as I can tuesday morning. That being said I am staying the course until the end.
Posted by a surfer on :
some people trade on E companies only..
Posted by RichBy26 on :
If we get the E you can bet we will not see NASD any time soon.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Follow-up to my comment from a few minutes back... . ....I called CSHD and spoke to Mitchell Sepaniak....I thanked him for CSHD getting the shareholders list set up on the website and that he could take my name off of his call back list, for I had left messages this week to confirm if I was on the NOBO list (I am).... . ..I also asked if he could address what has been reported on HSM about release of the 10-K and 10-Q....he said to be careful with what is being said because 1) he is being partially mis-quoted by some (no names mentioned), and 2) that to say a 10-Q will be out next week would be incorrect.. . ...HOWEVER he did say that the 10-K would be out on Monday. I then asked a follow-up question (feeding him back his own words) to the effect of "It would be an accurate, definitive respresentation to say that the 10-K would be released on Monday?" and he responded "Yes". . . . ....Mr. Sepaniak sounded hectic in his speech, yet he was pleasant and willing to discuss my questions, and I thanked him for his time in taking my phone call.... . ...hope that helps you all in our search or comfort.
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: FWIW....tut-eister should check his spelling....Mitch's last name is spelled.."Sepaniak". Aside from this observation, I sure hope he is well informed. perhaps a verifying call to Mitch is in order..........people on HSM have been treated to fake notices that the 10-K is out all afternoon....lots of children playing over there methinks..
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 257 I just talked with Mitchell Sepaniuk and this is the conversation. (My question) "I understand the 10k and 10q will be out by the latest Monday morning?" (His answer) "Yes." (My question) "Is it possible before Monday?" (His answer) "That is correct."
This to me sounds very good. I believe we are there shareholders and what I am going to say is hold strong now. We are there in front of the gates and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear something sooner.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: Follow-up to my comment from a few minutes back... . ....I called CSHD and spoke to Mitchell Sepaniak....I thanked him for CSHD getting the shareholders list set up on the website and that he could take my name off of his call back list, for I had left messages this week to confirm if I was on the NOBO list (I am).... . ..I also asked if he could address what has been reported on HSM about release of the 10-K and 10-Q....he said to be careful with what is being said because 1) he is being partially mis-quoted by some (no names mentioned), and 2) that to say a 10-Q will be out next week would be incorrect.. . ...HOWEVER he did say that the 10-K would be out on Monday. I then asked a follow-up question (feeding him back his own words) to the effect of "It would be an accurate, definitive respresentation to say that the 10-K would be released on Monday?" and he responded "Yes". . . . ....Mr. Sepaniak sounded hectic in his speech, yet he was pleasant and willing to discuss my questions, and I thanked him for his time in taking my phone call.... . ...hope that helps you all in our search or comfort.
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: FWIW....tut-eister should check his spelling....Mitch's last name is spelled.."Sepaniak". Aside from this observation, I sure hope he is well informed. perhaps a verifying call to Mitch is in order..........people on HSM have been treated to fake notices that the 10-K is out all afternoon....lots of children playing over there methinks..
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 257 I just talked with Mitchell Sepaniuk and this is the conversation. (My question) "I understand the 10k and 10q will be out by the latest Monday morning?" (His answer) "Yes." (My question) "Is it possible before Monday?" (His answer) "That is correct."
This to me sounds very good. I believe we are there shareholders and what I am going to say is hold strong now. We are there in front of the gates and I wouldn't be surprised if we hear something sooner.
Thanks Bucky!
Posted by Jo4321 on :
C'mon Rufie Warbucks. Give us something
The 10-k will come out Tomorrow Bet your bottom dollar That tomorrow There'll be one!
Just thinkin' about Tomorrow Clears away the bashers, And the sorrow 'Til there's none!
When I'm stuck a stock That's red, And falling, I just stick out my chin And Grin, And Say, Oh!
The 10-k will come out Tomorrow So ya gotta hang on 'Til tomorrow Come what may Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love ya Tomorrow! You're always A day A way!
Posted by milliam on :
Alrighty then...things are getting weird.
Did someone spill the blue shampoo again?
Posted by milliam on :
Thanks Bucky...great call and feedback.
Jo...your talent and imagination is just weird...I mean great. Good stuff!!!
Posted by dog on :
So who has the stones to be trading this tomorrow?
I think I'll sleep til Monday.... damm
Posted by dog on :
They could pop this at any time....are they waiting for the shorts to clear?
Posted by Bittermac on :
Chartwalker? I am fairly new to stocks. How would you recommend going about educating myself? I am currently absorbing one of the Motley Fools investment guides. Are there any online tutorials or specific books you would recommend? I want to get to a knowledge point of fully understanding charts, trends. . .etc. Thanks
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Bittermac: Chartwalker? I am fairly new to stocks. How would you recommend going about educating myself? I am currently absorbing one of the Motley Fools investment guides. Are there any online tutorials or specific books you would recommend? I want to get to a knowledge point of fully understanding charts, trends. . .etc. Thanks
All these calls to Mitch mean nothing. I mean realistically if it wasn't going to happen on time do you think Mitch would say "Gee I'm sorry to crash your hopes and dreams over the past months - but no, we won't be making the deadling, which means we'll get the 'E', and we have no clue when the 10K is coming - probably whenever we feel like it"
Uhhhh of course not. The pps would be back below $1 by high noon tomorrow...
We've been told before this is coming out on time - and it hasn't. And now there is the 10Q which Rufus has alluded to being something of more signifance. Guess what ? That's not due until NOVEMBER 15th, and extension brings that to NOVEMBER 30th.
So we have really another month and half to play the ups and downs here imo. It's a harsh reality but it does breed more opportunity.
Look I'm long (yes..again...) my name is on the list. And I want this to happen as badly as everyone else. Let's just not get our hopes up here - it's October 12th. We still don't have a 10K or reset. This stared in July. Just think about that for a minute.
Posted by a surfer on :
and 2) that to say a 10-Q will be out next week would be incorrect.. . ...HOWEVER he did say that the 10-K would be out on Monday.
Bucky I don't get it. Monday is next week....
Posted by St. Matthew on :
UPDATE: Ok people...I just had an awesome 10-15 minute phone call with Sabra Dabbs about what is being thrown around over at HSM and some of the other boards.
First of all, let me just say that Sabra Dabbs is a class act who is truly an asset to CSHD and to the shareholders. She has so much energy and spunk it actually gave me energy after our long day of watching the reindeer games that were played today with our stock. She actually enjoys speaking with the shareholders and wanted me to tell you that you can call her anytime with questions or concerns. I really think she meant it and was not feeding me a line.
I have now talked with both Mitch and Sabra and think these two individuals are doing everything they can to make us feel better about this thing. It would be very easy for them to hide behind their phone messages and just wait for this to happen. But they are not hiding, and this speaks volumes about their character and this company’s future.
On the subject of the 10K and the 10Q coming out tomorrow or Monday…the answer is they will be compliant and the 10K will be out by Monday. I asked if it could / would come out sooner and she hinted that it could, but my gut was telling me Monday is the day. She said it would not surprise her if Rufus played the ‘Friday the 13th’ joke on them, but again, I’m thinking Monday.
The 10Q will not be out on Monday (according the Sabra). I confirmed that they had until November 15th for that filing. As far as Tut is concerned, she said that she was sitting next to Mitch during that call and she did not recall him saying that the 10Q will be out with the 10K. She did say that they had answered as many as 2,000 phone calls and it’s possible that the 10K and 10Q got confused.
I told her about Allstocks and asked her to check us out. She had not heard of us, but she does not frequent the boards. She took my phone number and asked what my usernames where on both sites. Again, a total class act and I got to tell you, I feel 10 times better about this company. She said we will all be happy very soon.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Now...I'm off to take my daughter to a swim meet...I will see you guys later this evening.
It sure would be great if there was some news to come home to...Sabra...if you are checking us out, please tell Rufus to just end all of our pain and start hurting the MM's and shorts. Posted by dog on :
Strong work.... sit tight...flip if you dare.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Check out any or all books by John Murphey ...Bittermac..
His book on tech analysis is pretty good for the new guy...
I'll bet ya that tou can Googel that subject and get all kinds of leads..
I like Murpheys stuff because he's an old guy like me....He was also about the only guy out there that made any sense when I was learning....
Read up on Fibonacci numbers and how they apply to charting too.....it all plays in... you'll see....
Good luck...
Posted by Bittermac on :
Google reports 653,000 hits for "Stock Market Basics". Thanks for the suggestions and links. I am on it.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Hey St. Matt~ you are being quoted on HSM!
Posted by MTPromises on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: When this is all done, chart you want to start a little school on allstocks on how to read/understand charts for noobies like myself?
This stock play pans out, I'll do this 24/4
I'll be on my home PC (not this pos) and learn how to send snapshots of intraday charts to here.
We'll get together LIVE and just make a killing!
ESPECIALLY if we don't have so much naked shorting going on, I LOVE what Rufus has done by putting that in the spotlight!
PS, newbies, rat has some excellent books on charting! -ask him. I know some good sites, like Stock charts dot com or clearstation dot com... [click on education tabs]
GLTA!!
well, Chart, based on our discussions back in July - you know I'm in when this pans out
Posted by dog on :
Yeah .. I put Matt's stuff over there. More middle of the road and real than what's been said.. they haven't paid much attention to it though.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Hey MT ~
-yeah just watch if I don't do that VERY thing! Why not?!!
Stay safe bud, snowing here!! Chart ~
Posted by new2stocks on :
dog~ it seems that HSM doesn't really pay attention to a real thought out post! no offense to anyone who posts on there....
Posted by Chartwalker on :
rat, (-bittermac)...
Hi$ trading $tyle is gonna change!! Posted by dog on :
No kidding....
Posted by Chartwalker on :
--hey what's the diff between 10k and 10Q?...
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Surfer.....10-K and 10-Q are two different filings.....the 10-K is the annual report filing and the 10-Q is a quarterly report filing......next 10-Q is not due until middle of November, generally November 15, if it falls on a business day.
the tut-eister posted this afternoon that he had talked with Mr. Sepaniak (see http://www.hot stockma rket .com/forums/showthread.php?p=797793#post797793 , and you might note that tut has edited this posting as of now) and represented that Mr. Sepaniak referred to both the 10-K and the 10-Q. Actually, tut's post shows he asked a question about both and Mr. Sepaniak relied with a single word -"yes". That seems to have started the verbage that has been psoted about the 10-K and the 10-Q. Hope that helps...GLTY
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: and 2) that to say a 10-Q will be out next week would be incorrect.. . ...HOWEVER he did say that the 10-K would be out on Monday.
Bucky I don't get it. Monday is next week....
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Folks.....just make sure you are doing your own DD and verifying what you read before you make your decisions for taking any actions........IMO. Posted by Chartwalker on :
Thank's Bucky!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: dog~ it seems that HSM doesn't really pay attention to a real thought out post! no offense to anyone who posts on there....
ya, another thing that bugged me in SPR interview: Rufus and pal praising HSM posters for their great DD... Posted by betting babe on :
i completely understand and feel much the same.
im tired of being played like a fiddle by a tired egyptian.
~BB
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: port I am comfortable and have been with my position in this stock. What I don't like is when promises are made and not kept. Much easier to keep one's mouth shut and deliver than to promise and fail. When that happens people feel that there's that proberbial carrot being dangled in front of them. I'm not saying that is what's happening here.
Posted by cassity on :
Well, we still have two more trading days. I've came this far and I personally think that Rufus will deliver, when HE fills it's the right time.
Posted by Bittermac on :
Especially in a situation like this, it is important to remember that they (Rufus, CSHD. . .Etc) may have an adgenda and timetable different than our own. Rufus's goal is to present the 10K to the market and deal with the shorters. I am going long and am doing my best to not let the short term hurt my attitude for the stock.
STAY STRONG!!!!!!!!!
Posted by betting babe on :
Strong and Impatient... 2 completely different things Posted by thecon00 on :
Theory:
Has anyone who purchased CSHD when and only when it was still FHAL and has not purchased any shares when it was CSHD and use TDameritrade as a broker seen their name on the shareholders list.
If not I think we know when and why the short problem!!!
Also free trade w Bank of America anybody see this, and FDIC insured.
Posted by thecon00 on :
Theory:
Has anyone who purchased CSHD when and only when it was still FHAL and has not purchased any shares when it was CSHD and use TDameritrade as a broker seen their name on the shareholders list.
If not I think we know when and why the short problem!!!
Also free trade w Bank of America anybody see this, and FDIC insured.
I bought shares at the advice of a relative back when it was FHAL, using Ameritrade. My name is on the list.
Posted by trade2win on :
Mine too, i bought when it was FHAL.
Actually i bought a few more when it was CSHD, so my name twice on the list. For the 1st transaction i used TDA, for the 2nd i used etrade to which i transferred.
Posted by thecon00 on :
did you guys buy a lot when it was fhal? i wonder if they are only filling small orders? i have 28600
Posted by trade2win on :
No, i had only 1.5k. I had 5k before which i flipped at a low price Posted by Bittermac on :
5.3K
Posted by thecon00 on :
thanks for the info. i really think if we looked that the TDA clients who had large amounts wont find their names on the list, or at least large orders from when it was still fhal. keep the most peoplew happy and the lowest number of people mad. less noise on the market right?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: Surfer.....10-K and 10-Q are two different filings.....the 10-K is the annual report filing and the 10-Q is a quarterly report filing......next 10-Q is not due until middle of November, generally November 15, if it falls on a business day.
the tut-eister posted this afternoon that he had talked with Mr. Sepaniak (see http://www.hot stockma rket .com/forums/showthread.php?p=797793#post797793 , and you might note that tut has edited this posting as of now) and represented that Mr. Sepaniak referred to both the 10-K and the 10-Q. Actually, tut's post shows he asked a question about both and Mr. Sepaniak relied with a single word -"yes". That seems to have started the verbage that has been psoted about the 10-K and the 10-Q. Hope that helps...GLTY
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: and 2) that to say a 10-Q will be out next week would be incorrect.. . ...HOWEVER he did say that the 10-K would be out on Monday.
Bucky I don't get it. Monday is next week....
I get it now thanks bucky!
St. matt Thanks for the news I just saw your post on HSM. I replied by saying I believe you over TUT..
Posted by Bittermac on :
You never know. That sounds like a logical thing, (ie. . .keep the smallest number mad), but TDA has made some illogical moves of late.
Posted by thecon00 on :
and anyone notice the hit they're taking over the free trades deal. stocks down and looks to keep going per cramer(although thats not worth much). they cant afford a hit from CSHD
Posted by luvforever on :
Hey folks, I'm back... what did I miss?!! ~LOL~ I see my name is on that list....guess it's a good sign...as for the pps, who cares with the reset...Go CSHD....Monday will be the show! glta Posted by Tyraid on :
Who cares even with the reset....this thing should take off and im on the train for the long run. Been in since FHAL. Some news would make me sleep just a little better at night though...haha. Only a little while left.
Posted by Jenna on :
************************************************* Hey my Peeps,
When this is all over I'm going to Vegas!!! I'm going around Nov. 9th! Anyone care to join me? I would love to have a drink with any of my fellow CSHDers & perhaps sit down at some slot machines, & drink some more! We desrve it! how about it? I'm serious! Anyone in for Vegas?
************************************************
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ************************************************* Hey my Peeps,
When this is all over I'm going to Vegas!!! I'm going around Nov. 9th! Anyone care to join me? I would love to have a drink with any of my fellow CSHDers & perhaps sit down at some slot machines, & drink some more! We desrve it! how about it? I'm serious! Anyone in for Vegas?
************************************************
What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas
I am going to Abaco. Great Guana Cay.
If you want to have fun in the sun this is the place. Crystal clear water and beautiful beaches. http://nippersbar.com/
Good surf too. Haha
I used to work at Nippers bar. 98 to 2000
AHH my past life. Sure didn't worry about stocks back then. LOL
Only 106 residents on the cay.
Jenna can you tell I love the place. LOL
I go back at least 4 to 6 times a year
Posted by Doniboy on :
Where is the list with people's names on it?
Posted by Tyraid on :
Hell yah Vegas. Me and a friend of mine in the stock want to head there if this works out the way its suppose to :-D
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Where is the list with people's names on it?
Here ya go Doni.. Ya getting any sleep?
Posted by a surfer on :
Doni the list is by first name alphabetical.
Then mid. initial then last name.
Posted by dollar13 on :
boooooooyyyyyyyyyaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
10k tomorrow eh i will be here WATCHING
OR MONDAY ?
Posted by Jenna on :
Surfer - That place looks awesome!!! You worked there? You are lucky!!! I've been to the Bahamas before 3 weeks before 9/11. I loved it there- such a happy relaxing fun atmosophere. Gees, between the 2 of us we could write a brochure!
I would love to go there but it might have to be after our next big stock pick because my sisters coming with me & this time we can only get away for about 3 or 4 nights...darn it!
If you go to Abaco 4 to 6 times a year then chances are you'll be going after the next stock pick!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
Cool, my name is on that list. Even though I sold out over $3.00. I am getting back in though. I tried at $2.08 this afternoon but missed it. Hopefully tomorrow I can get in cheap. Posted by GreenDay on :
I'm on the list too. I flipped a few times over the last two weeks (never between July and 9/29).
There is lots of confusion over the new 10k deadline at HSM and i hub. Debate over tomorrow or Monday as last day to avoid the dreaded E. I can't tell on the 14 calander days. You could start counting from 9/29 or 9/30 or you could start the next day 10/1. It's to vague and there doesn't seem to be a "date"?
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: dog~ it seems that HSM doesn't really pay attention to a real thought out post! no offense to anyone who posts on there....
Right now...the smart ones are quiet.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Surfer - That place looks awesome!!! You worked there? You are lucky!!! I've been to the Bahamas before 3 weeks before 9/11. I loved it there- such a happy relaxing fun atmosophere. Gees, between the 2 of us we could write a brochure!
I would love to go there but it might have to be after our next big stock pick because my sisters coming with me & this time we can only get away for about 3 or 4 nights...darn it!
If you go to Abaco 4 to 6 times a year then chances are you'll be going after the next stock pick!!
yea!!
Posted by a surfer on :
Simon is talking about us.
about the list. jimmy mac is on with him
Posted by GreenDay on :
spr - full -can't get in. update?
Posted by a surfer on :
simon just said that all the bashing in this stock makes him feel stronger about it.
Jimmy saying how ourstreet is a scumbag.
********** too
Posted by a surfer on :
S_Tock-lemo_n
Posted by a surfer on :
jimmy just gave props to Betting Babe, Glassman and a few others on allstocks for their DD.
Posted by wallymac on :
I need some help. On one of the earlier threads we found the rule that allowed a company to reset it's price. We also found a couple of reverse merger companies that reset. Help me find them so I can give Simon the link
GLTA Wally
Posted by a surfer on :
#5632 RufusPaulHarris HSM Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 49 October 15, 2005 late due date. do not pay attention to SOS.
all is great, 300 plus not on the list, total share count is getting high.
long and strong. __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: jimmy just gave props to Betting Babe, Glassman and a few others on allstocks for their DD.
That was me. Known as JMAC on Subpenny.
GLTA Wally
Posted by a surfer on :
God this is getting fun, watching shorty dance, lie and steal. __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: jimmy just gave props to Betting Babe, Glassman and a few others on allstocks for their DD.
dont get caught with your pants down. __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Man Simon is playing this up wally.
Posted by a surfer on :
Wally is this the site that you are looking for.
Posted by a surfer on :
WHAT IS A SHELL STOCK?
Basically, a Shell Stock is a public company that no longer has any business! It retains its capital structure and SEC reporting status with the intention to "reverse merge" into a non-public company with an on-going business. This merger creates a new company that is both public and generating revenues.
Why would a private company with an on-going business want to reverse merge into a Shell Stock? The goal of the private company is to become a public company. There are many benefits in becoming a public company. The traditional method of becoming a public company, via an IPO (initial public offering) can be very expensive and time consuming. Becoming public via a reverse merger is less expensive and much quicker.
The SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission) refers to a Shell Stock as a Blank Check Company.
SHELLSTOCK STRATEGY
Most investors buy Shell Stocks when there are rumors of a potential reverse merger. But, they become impatient when the reverse merger does not happen and sell . . . usually at a loss.
So what is the best Shell Stock strategy? Probably it is best to buy several Shell Stocks and forget about them. Hopefully you will resist the temptation to sell when things get boring, increasing your chances of participating in a reverse merger - sometimes producing huge returns.
Posted by a surfer on :
DREAMLIFE INC. (DLIF)
Tony Robbins, internationally known motivational speaker, reverse merged his company into a little know medical company, GHS, Inc., which sent the stock soaring from $.75 to $20.
Businessweek Article
Dreamlife web site
SEC filings
Chart
Posted by a surfer on :
shakedown, Hmmmmm stupid question, sep 30 due plus 15 = Oct 15.
simple stupid it is.
good night all __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Posted by a surfer on :
Shareholders listen quit looking for the black cat in a dark room. That is a Russian saying meaning don't look for something that isn't there. Ben said it will be on time and we will not have an E. You don't realize it but you are all worrying yourselves and you are playing right into the hands of the shorts who want you to feel fear. They are also reading all these stock forums and they will use your fears and try to scare the market down with you in it. You are on the verge of the best thing in your life. Make what you post here sound like you believe it.
Quote: Originally Posted by rule62 Tutty, I love you but, we ain't looking for black cats, we are asking a legitimate question about the filing.
I know you are but you are making it sound like you are all ready to panic and believe me the shorts like to hear that because they will use that against you with a downtick in the market. Let us be positive. You just heard Rufus.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: jimmy just gave props to Betting Babe, Glassman and a few others on allstocks for their DD.
thanx man... i never been mentioned on the radio before....
next thing ya know? i'll be as famous as Cramer Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: jimmy just gave props to Betting Babe, Glassman and a few others on allstocks for their DD.
thanx man... i never been mentioned on the radio before....
next thing ya know? i'll be as famous as Cramer
or tut.. LOL
Posted by Tyraid on :
Well said a surfer...I only wish I had more money to buy more of it at, even at this price.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: jimmy just gave props to Betting Babe, Glassman and a few others on allstocks for their DD.
thanx man... i never been mentioned on the radio before....
next thing ya know? i'll be as famous as Cramer
Help me out here, now that you got your props. There was a stock we had found that did the reset which one was it? It wasn't SPEA, I know that.
GLTA Wally
Posted by a surfer on :
Just be comfortable with what you have Tyraid, not with what you don't have.
Posted by Tyraid on :
No worries. Im tied up in other investments there wont be any buying for me. But I plan to hold onto them for a while is all im saying.
Posted by a surfer on :
CKXE wally
Posted by milliam on :
BOOYAH Glassman Posted by glassman on :
booyah http://sports.espn.go.com/prorodeo/news/story?page=g_BREventDescription
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally, I'm not sure what you are looking for 368 Rule? try starting here...maybe go to page 14
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I need some help. On one of the earlier threads we found the rule that allowed a company to reset it's price. We also found a couple of reverse merger companies that reset. Help me find them so I can give Simon the link
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wally, I'm not sure what you are looking for 368 Rule? try starting here...
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I need some help. On one of the earlier threads we found the rule that allowed a company to reset it's price. We also found a couple of reverse merger companies that reset. Help me find them so I can give Simon the link
GLTA Wally
somebody had posted a ticker that supposedly had successfully completed a 368-reset...about two-three threads ago.
Posted by Doniboy on :
The bashers are always the ones who bring up this "deadline" crap, hoping to get discussions started and a panic sell. Then they cover and wait for it to run again. Think about it. This thing nevr dumped on legitimate bad news. The only times it dumped was because of the criminal shorter Our-Street and his Web Site, and then it dumped because the bashers had everyone convinced that an extension was the end of the world. Which was followed by an 8K. Many people missed profit on that .70 day...
In other words relax about this. If it comes out on time you guys win (and hopefully me too if I can get in tomorrow)
After that it will start all over again. The 10K will be wrong, have mistakes, not audited, be misleading...etc etc etc....There will always be a reason for the basher to ***** and moan..
Just stick with your strategy....
Posted by cool AZ on :
CKXE, JLHY - reverse mergers ....
Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Wally, I'm not sure what you are looking for 368 Rule? try starting here...
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: I need some help. On one of the earlier threads we found the rule that allowed a company to reset it's price. We also found a couple of reverse merger companies that reset. Help me find them so I can give Simon the link
GLTA Wally
somebody had posted a ticker that supposedly had successfully completed a 368-reset...about two-three threads ago.
think tax posted it..
Posted by atthebank on :
Hello ?
Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by atthebank: Hello ?
hey bank, how's it going ????????/
Posted by atthebank on :
awesome, bro, Where's the meat?
Posted by dollar13 on :
A SURFER , GLASS ,TEX , dollar13 , 10of13 ,Chart ,BB and others good luck
10k = $,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$,$$$
i am not a PUMPER
LMAO
Posted by atthebank on :
tommorrow Friday the 13th, is this good? or bad ?
Posted by Danny_K on :
Forgive my ignorance, but is the deadline befor monday. Or ON monday? How does that work..
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by atthebank: tommorrow Friday the 13th, is this good? or bad ?
I've always had really good luck on Friday 13th's in the past.
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry:
quote:Originally posted by atthebank: tommorrow Friday the 13th, is this good? or bad ?
I've always had really good luck on Friday 13th's in the past.
You the man, good luck again, YES
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by Danny_K: Forgive my ignorance, but is the deadline befor monday. Or ON monday? How does that work..
This was discussed a page or 2 back and I believe the consensus was that it is due by the end of the day on Monday.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Danny...I believe the deadline is Sunday...so he can file it on Monday... and thanks dollar...GLTY also! Posted by atthebank on :
Curt , I lost my cell phone , please call it
Posted by betting babe on :
you like me, you really really like me!
that just showed my age
~BB
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: jimmy just gave props to Betting Babe, Glassman and a few others on allstocks for their DD.
Posted by betting babe on :
as well as this one that is on that has an investor in common, on the NOBO list
i posted this today:
Central American Life Insurance.
looks like they hold some shares.
looks like they hold shares in another company that knows about a reverse merger on rule 368 as well:
If one of the goals of the transaction is to have minimal immediate tax effects, then the transaction will be structured as a tax free reorganization (more accurately, a "tax deferred" reorganization). Of the six types of reorganizations described in section 368(a)(1) of the Code, three of them are generally acquisitive in nature and get their common name from the sub-paragraph in section 368(a)(1) in which they are described.
An "A" reorganization is a statutory merger or consolidation which can be accomplished either directly or by using a subsidiary directly or in a reverse manner. A "B" reorganization is the acquisition by the buyer of all of the stock of the company. The consideration given by the buyer is required to be solely voting stock of the buyer. Therefore, the acquired company becomes a wholly-owned subsidiary of the buyer. A "C" reorganization provides for the acquisition by the buyer of substantially all of the properties of the seller in exchange for voting stock of the buyer. This is generally followed by a distribution of such stock to the shareholders of the seller.
These different structures will generally have no effect on the seller, except that under a "C" reorganization, your company may still be responsible for certain liabilities (depending upon your negotiating skill).
A pooling transaction will generally be "non-taxable" to the selling stockholders. That is, the tax is deferred until the stockholders sell their new shares. A purchase transaction may be immediately subject to tax. If the price is paid over more than one year, then a selling stockholder might elect to use the installment method of reporting gain.
New Section 338 Regulations Give Taxpayers Increased Flexibility in Two-Step Mergers Tax Law Update: December 16, 2003 12/16/2003
Over the past several years, questions have arisen regarding the characterization of what has become a relatively popular transaction, namely, the acquisition of a target through a reverse subsidiary merger, followed by a pre-planned upstream merger of the target into the acquiror. The follow-on merger gives rise to issues in circumstances where the acquisition consideration consists of more than 40% but less than 80% stock. In these circumstances, because there is more than 20% non-stock consideration the initial merger cannot qualify as a “reorganization” for tax purposes (reorganizations are tax-free to the target shareholders except to the extent of non-stock consideration) unless it is stepped together with the follow-on merger. In 2001, the IRS issued a revenue ruling confirming that in these circumstances the two mergers together would be treated as, in effect, a direct merger of target into acquiror and thus a good section 368(a)(1)(A) reorganization. The IRS also held that such a transaction could not be treated as a “qualified stock purchase” (“QSP”) under section 338, which only applies to acquisitions by a taxable “purchase” of stock and not by means of a reorganization.. The IRS, earlier this year, issued regulations that altered the holding of the prior ruling by giving taxpayers the choice of treating such a transaction as either a QSP or a section 368(a)(1)(A) reorganization in situations where an acquiror is acquiring a subsidiary of (at least 80% owned by) another corporation.^1 The change is favorable because it permits taxpayers to undertake follow-on mergers after acquisitions of subsidiaries of selling corporations without disqualifying the transactions from QSP treatment, which is often desirable.
"Substantially all" is also a defined term, by reference to another corporate code section: 368(a)(1)(C).3 Section 368 is a non-recognition provision, which allows a corporation to transfer "substantially all" its assets to another corporation without recognizing gain. Unfortunately for the gift-planning community, this means that the guidance under Section 368 has focused on succeeding in transferring "substantially all" of the corporate assets rather than failing to transfer "substantially all" of them. So referring to the existing rulings, and the IRS ruling policy, provides only minimal guidance. Since that guidance is all we have, we can at least start there. Generally, the Service uses as a ruling guideline that the "substantially all" requirement is satisfied if there is a transfer of assets representing at least 90% of the fair market value of the net assets and at least 70% of the fair market value of the gross assets held by the corporation immediately before the transfer (in this case, "transfer" would be the donation).4
Does that mean that as long as a corporation donates less than those percentages of assets, that it is safe from triggering gain recognition? Unfortunately, no. Early case law held that smaller percentages, 86% of gross and 71% of net, were enough to satisfy the test. Conversely, in Pillar Rock Packing Co. v. Comr.,5 68% was held to be less than substantially all. Case law also considers the type of assets retained. In cases where all operating assets were transferred to the acquiring corporation and the cash, receivables or other non-operating assets were distributed to the shareholders the courts have allowed lower percentages and still considered the "substantially all" test to be met. So although there is a bright-line test for achieving the "substantially all" threshold, there is no bright line for failing to achieve it.
A survey of the case law does lead to one possible guideline: When determining "substantially all" for purposes of Section 368, the courts have focused on the percentage of the corporate operating assets rather than all corporate assets. If it were possible to rely on those cases, a corporation that donates non-operating assets and keeps all its operating assets would not incur taxable gain on the donation no matter what percentage of the overall assets were donated. Unfortunately, we will have to wait for the IRS and the courts to see how they apply the pre-existing case law under Section 368 to the new application under the Section 337 regulations.
~BB
Posted by Doniboy on :
I watched Sally Field give that speech live. Though I was pretty young. I believe it was 1985 and the movie she won for was Places in the Heart.
No charge for the trivia
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: you like me, you really really like me!
that just showed my age
~BB
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: jimmy just gave props to Betting Babe, Glassman and a few others on allstocks for their DD.
Posted by betting babe on :
betting babe Member posted 27 July, 2006 10:58
didnt anyone do homework with me on reorganization within the meaning of Section 368 of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986??! heah.
im wondering if Rufus actually is really smart, and is just exploiting a loophole. a lot of articles say that 386 needs to be closed. maybe he's just taking advantage of its being there?
Kind of like accountants like to find legitimate loopholes to show their prowess.
~BB
Posted by betting babe on :
betting babe posted 27 July, 2006 11:10
here's another one that seems to have benefitted by the same R/M exploitation of section 386
ineresting statement: The Merger was consummated so that the Issuer will have on a consolidated basis an operating entity, and CCS will have the opportunities available to public companies.
kinda like this here transaction yes?
~BB
Posted by betting babe on :
is that good enough wally? may i have my gold star now please?
sorry for the delay, not sure you still need the info.
but good to re-read since this stuff was from July.
~BB
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: is that good enough wally? may i have my gold star now please?
sorry for the delay, not sure you still need the info.
but good to re-read since this stuff was from July.
~BB
I'll give you a gold star* , I wish I was as smart and knowledgable as you, some day, verry good dd on this board BB
Posted by Doniboy on :
Hey, I had four stars for the longest time, why'd I get demoted?
Posted by dollar13 on :
REALLY i gave her 5 gold stars for THAT dd...
Posted by dog on :
Wait...I'm still back at the age comment... JK
Good lookin out.
I'm tired of people acting like this sort of thing is completely impossible. Uncommon ... yes.
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I'm going with #3.
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
Let's all hope for a positive exciting day tomorrow. May be last day (or two) to get in at the low PPS. GLTA Goodnight!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
You know BB I read your posts back in July and remember you needed a gold star back then. but reading them again, I think you deserve a 10-K! Rufas give BB a 10-K!
I think somewhere durring that same conversation in July you brought up TWA as another company that used the 386 rule and a reverse merger to go public. Posted by betting babe on :
thx! i'll take that 10k please!
it is now officiallly...
FRIDAY THE 13TH muwahhahahaha
~BB
Posted by luvforever on :
TWA was my first stock and I made a ton on that back in 99 2000 !
Posted by luvforever on :
The charts for that was so predictable and traded 2 3 times a day...miss that! It was sooo nice and easy LOL
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Maybe Rufus's sense of humor is as odd as mine:
Shorters: They were warned, they are doomed. And on Friday the 13th, nothing will save them.
Posted by betting babe on :
Posted by kilikili on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Hey, I had four stars for the longest time, why'd I get demoted?
Hi Doniboy, hope you got your star back. You make me laugh many times Posted by Vin on :
Doni, don't know if it will help, but here's 5 your way.
Posted by ccvle on :
It is crazy over at HSM. The mod is banning anyone from talking about tomorrow being the possible deadline. What is the point of a message board if you cant even have a discussion. What is the verdict here? is the deadline tomorrow?
Posted by sandor butosi on :
AWYB might grab some cshd flip money in AM. Sorry! People will stragle back to cshd if it does not work out. See PR. Opportunity knocks again!
momomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomomom
Posted by sandor butosi on :
Heeeeeeeeeerrrrrreeeeeeeee DOGY!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: It is crazy over at HSM. The mod is banning anyone from talking about tomorrow being the possible deadline. What is the point of a message board if you cant even have a discussion. What is the verdict here? is the deadline tomorrow?
considering rufus posted this last night I will let you make the choice. Beleive 200 12 year olds or the CEO.
a surfer Member
Member Rated: posted 12-10-2006 22:06 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- shakedown, Hmmmmm stupid question, sep 30 due plus 15 = Oct 15.
simple stupid it is.
good night all __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by sandor butosi: AWYB might grab some cshd flip money in AM. Sorry! People will stragle back to cshd if it does not work out. See PR. Opportunity knocks again!
Good luck with that dead end.
Posted by a surfer on :
posted by TUT
النصر لك
Let me share something with you that may help. I do not want to see a lot of you good shareholders lose an opportunity of a lifetime. You all deserve it, especially what you have all had to endure through this ordeal. I am not in the least worried. I myself was in the market buying a lot today and I mean a lot, as well as my groups. You are so close to realizing that what before you only dreamed about, can now become your reality. The potential of this company and what it can do for you is still probably beyond your own belief patterns. You are now getting ready to enter a stage in your lives that will forever change the way you think and look at everything and everyone. With the potential this company offers, you may be able to choose the lifestyle you only ever dreamed about. This is your key to entering the gates of victory.
You are either with or without today. You who have stood strong, yours is the victory cup to drink of.
Those who stand before me will live. Those who stand with their backs to me will surely perish.
ya KHabar befloos, bukrah yeb'a bebalash الصمت احيانا ضروري. بعض الانبياء المزيفين عندما اتكلم كثيرا وان لم يتكلم. كل شيء سيكون علي كشف لكم وسيكون النصر لكم.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
morning guys. Today I'm hoping we hold some ground hopefully we'll make some up. That's unless the 10-k is released today then all bets are off, but I am not expecting that to happen today.
Posted by portman on :
Good Morning all!
Let's hope today is all we want it to be but understand those who wish to make money off of us will try to do so with every thing they have. Keep your emotions in check.
That said everyone no matter how nice they seem here should not be the basis for any of us to trade on.
I can only say what I am comfortable with. I have been asked by many (some on this board) privately how I feel about this stock. I have said I feel very good about it of late. I have also told those people that THEY not ME have to be comfortable with buying more, selling or holding.
I CAN be wrong!
"But if I am right, Lenny, you have just saved the lives of millions of registered voters..."
Remember ... I only entered this stock to flip it over and over and leave. I did that...I just could not leave.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Good Morning peeps!
So no "Friday the 13th" 10k???? Or at least not yet...
Snowing here!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Good Morning peeps!
So no "Friday the 13th" 10k???? Or at least not yet...
Snowing here!
I wonder if any of that snow is making it over to the Detroit area. I knew if i left Michigan long enough the weather would drastically change!!
But, the weather here in Germany is expected to be great this weekend and im off to Hamburg Saturday morning. Posted by fhalyesss on :
Morning everyone, Has anyone ever seen a stock before that has so much movement pre market everyday? Started gapping up already!
Posted by djg7 on :
Good morning everybody.
Chart, it's snowing here also with 40 MPH winds. MMs will play their best games today to shake the weak hands if no 10K is posted IMO. We've been on this ride to long to wait for things to unfold very soon. I don't think I'll watch this too much today and rather just play the waiting game. Holding long and strong. GLTA
Posted by Tyraid on :
Mr Catia Engineer it is cold as a witches *** here and we did get some freak snow yesterday. IT will be here waiting for you when you get back.
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Anyone else seeing upward movment already? i am seeing $2.13 and an ask of $2.16?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Tyraid: Mr Catia Engineer it is cold as a witches *** here and we did get some freak snow yesterday. IT will be here waiting for you when you get back.
Yea i just looked at the weather for the area. 33 but feels like 22??!! Cold AND windy...nice. Enjoy. Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Tyraid: Mr Catia Engineer it is cold as a witches *** here and we did get some freak snow yesterday. IT will be here waiting for you when you get back.
Yea i just looked at the weather for the area. 33 but feels like 22??!! Cold AND windy...nice. Enjoy.
Ha ~
There's something to hurry home to huh!? lol ~
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by djg7: Good morning everybody.
Chart, it's snowing here also with 40 MPH winds. MMs will play their best games today to shake the weak hands if no 10K is posted IMO. We've been on this ride to long to wait for things to unfold very soon. I don't think I'll watch this too much today and rather just play the waiting game. Holding long and strong. GLTA
great...... NOT!
Yeah what rolls through your area hits us next...
Time to fire up the chainsaw again!!! Good luck to you and yours!!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
morning gang, is it me or are there a couple new MMs on the bid? interesting...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Tyraid: Mr Catia Engineer it is cold as a witches *** here and we did get some freak snow yesterday. IT will be here waiting for you when you get back.
Yea i just looked at the weather for the area. 33 but feels like 22??!! Cold AND windy...nice. Enjoy.
Ha ~
There's something to hurry home to huh!? lol ~
Yea, especially since im sitting in the office by an open window right now and i feel warm. Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: morning gang, is it me or are there a couple new MMs on the bid? interesting...
put them down, I'll dd them!
I THOUGHT I had L2's in one of my accounts, but it only shows ARCA... chit! Posted by Chartwalker on :
Catia... you have my envy!!
"You SLOB!!" LOL ~~~ Enjoy it, I would Posted by NEL on :
Morning all, checking in on the beginning of a big day (hopefully)!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
YAY! I got my Etrade pro working on this PC now! L2s fired up. Posted by Chartwalker on :
I see TDA is pimping "Trade free for 45 days!"
LMAO!
What... -do you get a "list" of stocks that you CAN ACTUALLY BUY through them too?!!!
LMAO ~
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Catia... you have my envy!!
"You SLOB!!" LOL ~~~ Enjoy it, I would
Hah! Cant i report you for calling me a name?!
j/k
More bragging soon to come!
Posted by retiredat49 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Good Morning peeps!
So no "Friday the 13th" 10k???? Or at least not yet...
Snowing here!
I wonder if any of that snow is making it over to the Detroit area. I knew if i left Michigan long enough the weather would drastically change!!
But, the weather here in Germany is expected to be great this weekend and im off to Hamburg Saturday morning.
Oh yea Catia...we have snow...I live in Oakland County and the ground is snow covered here...cold too!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: morning gang, is it me or are there a couple new MMs on the bid? interesting...
put them down, I'll dd them!
I THOUGHT I had L2's in one of my accounts, but it only shows ARCA... chit!
I'll check them out chart, just didn't know if I just haven't been paying attention or if they are new...
Posted by dog on :
Morning all..... please tell me I don't have to wait another weekend.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well since you asked so nice dog. You don't have to wait another weekend. You could always sell now j/k Posted by dog on :
Ok... I'm out... LOL
Posted by dog on :
DT'rs starting on L2's or investor's starting with the buying pressure?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Sorry dog but i really think we will wait another weekend. The fact that Rufus took the time to point out that the 15th is the deadline and not the 13th leads me to believe that its not coming today. Id like to be wrong about it but im not holding my breath at this point.
Posted by a surfer on :
You guys are making me cold with all that snow talk.. BRRRR... I just had to turn up the A/C
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Catia: The fact that Rufus took the time to point out that the 15th is the deadline and not the 13th leads me to believe that its not coming today. ==========================
Yeah, I think I can get behind that cat...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: You guys are making me cold with all that snow talk.. BRRRR... I just had to turn up the A/C
awww now that's just CRUEL!! lmao ~
Just for that I'm buying a place right NEXT to you when this is done!! Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Catia: The fact that Rufus took the time to point out that the 15th is the deadline and not the 13th leads me to believe that its not coming today. ==========================
Yeah, I think I can get behind that cat...
He also said "don't be caught with your pants down", maybe warning daytraders of a midday release (we hope)!
Posted by Sharpie on :
Dog... Sandor Butosi looking for a way in this AM. Talked last night. Told him to beware of the black vans coming to pick him up! No Decoder Ring No Play
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: You guys are making me cold with all that snow talk.. BRRRR... I just had to turn up the A/C
awww now that's just CRUEL!! lmao ~
Just for that I'm buying a place right NEXT to you when this is done!!
I will lay out out the welcome mat for you chart.
Posted by bigstocks on :
Good morning everyone, just turned the A/C down here as well.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Party on surfer! Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: God this is getting fun, watching shorty dance, lie and steal. __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Man, how can Rufus compare this to fun??? This has been a lot for most investors to stomach, and I for one am ready for the lies and stealing to stop!!!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
right now if CT no heat and no AC going to be about 60 beautiful degrees Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
good morning everyone Little chilly here in North Carolina in the blueridge mountians... I wish I could see some of that snow ya'll are talking about! I love it! Does anyone have an L2 update? How we looking this morning? Thanks Ima
Posted by a surfer on :
2.15- 2.16 IMA
Posted by RyanPBF on :
bid 4x 2.15 ask 1x 2.16
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by Sharpie: Dog... Sandor Butosi looking for a way in this AM. Talked last night. Told him to beware of the black vans coming to pick him up! No Decoder Ring No Play
I think he left his place in line when we were getting sized up for the white robes.... we may have a few left, but I am not sure any will fit him.
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
Ima you in Boone? Go to App St?
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Hmmm, i actually rebooted because i thought my streamer was frozen. L2s havent really moved since 9 right?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: God this is getting fun, watching shorty dance, lie and steal. __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Man, how can Rufus compare this to fun??? This has been a lot for most investors to stomach, and I for one am ready for the lies and stealing to stop!!!
It's all a matter of perspective Rich. It is fun to play poker when you are holding all the cards. Everyone else is a spectator holding their breath. Rufas has his shares locked up for 90 days atleast after this deal, so if he is this confident in the 11th hour then we should try and see what he is seeing.
The trap is set, and he is poised to pull the trigger. That part of the game is not only fun but exilerating.
Will Rufas play his awesome cards just right? I think we are about to see. As for me? I and not in this too deep for my comfort, so I am having a great time watching this play out.
I plan to be dancing at my desk real soon.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Cat that seems about right.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
There we go finally some movement. Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Hmmm, i actually rebooted because i thought my streamer was frozen. L2s havent really moved since 9 right?
Just went to 2.18-2.19
Posted by JHenry on :
2.18 x 2.19 and climbing
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Aaaannd weeee off!
Posted by a surfer on :
Get em while you can folks..
Man just for the love of CSHD I would love to see GREEN today.
Posted by cassity on :
I don't care which day, all I know is that it's COMING BABY!!!!!!!!! Whahooooooooooooo!
Posted by $$$bill on :
start green, get greener, finish as green as you can get baby
Posted by SherriT on :
In those infamous words....
SHO ME DA MONEY!
Posted by CRab on :
yeah be careful people...
last week they did this a couple a times as well...you all know how that turned out...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
jumping all over...
lookings like a gap close coming.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I wouldn't be surprised at all for them to take us down below yesterday's close.
Posted by cassity on :
Hey everyone, let's keep ALL negative talk out of the board today. Today we celebrate the fact we are 1 or 2 trading days away from "victory". PPS doesn't matter, we all know how this story is going to end. Enjoy your day folks.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.02 supp and where we are at ~
Posted by thedoctor on :
ARCA, NITE & ETRD are the three MM's that seem to always keep us down. I hope that they are investigated.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Amen doc ~
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
And.....the bleeding begins
Its a good thing i cant watch this most of the day cuz i really dont want to. Posted by CRab on :
must be a complete b*tch to buy right now if a 2500 share trade went through .03 above the ask...
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Hey everyone, let's keep ALL negative talk out of the board today. Today we celebrate the fact we are 1 or 2 trading days away from "victory". PPS doesn't matter, we all know how this story is going to end. Enjoy your day folks.
Sorry, i started off on a bad foot LOL
Posted by dog on :
The minute buying stops... they tank it.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
are we seeing sub 2's today with a possible run at the eod? I doubt the eod run because I think most people are feeling they have until close of business monday to get in.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: are we seeing sub 2's today with a possible run at the eod? I doubt the eod run because I think most people are feeling they have until close of business monday to get in.
Jeez I really don't think I would take that risk.
If people want in they better put up or shut up.. LOL
Posted by cassity on :
I personally think we see news EOD or after hours today! Think about when they released the 8k/a. JMO GLTA
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: 2.02 supp and where we are at ~
Don't see it dude..... Posted by Chartwalker on :
"Those who don't STAND for something,... -fall for anything."
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I think it is amazing we have not seen a PR in 10 days. This RSI has been incredible.
Rufas's little appearances seem to be famous and effective at this point.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
surf I agree but it doesn't look like there's been any kind of urgency to buy in from the mm's or cover or what ever the case maybe.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: 2.02 supp and where we are at ~
Don't see it dude.....
Thursday 11:10 am... -intraday...
Posted by thedoctor on :
Stay tuned , talking w/ Sabra now
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
How do you keep an idiot in suspense???
Posted by 10of13 on :
Are we threre yet? C'mon...10K!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Get it! Ha HA!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
rat, stroke your charts and give us the daily levels please...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Stay tuned , talking w/ Sabra now
Right on Doc.. Lets hear some great news. Tell her we will send her on a trip around the world. LOL
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Stay tuned , talking w/ Sabra now
Right on Doc.. Lets hear some great news. Tell her we will send her on a trip around the world. LOL
LMAO, doubt she needs us, her car allowance of 100K per year is more than some peoples salaries...LOL
Posted by bigstocks on :
20k transaction went thru. Posted by Kelroz on :
Doc. Ask if the RESET is still on after the 10k or if we have to wait until 10q now.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Its making some big jumps back and forth. It could get interesting if we actually had some volume
Posted by thedoctor on :
Very frank with me.......Very classy smart lady....10K definately Monday (She asked me to wait for a second to ask a Lawyer if she could tell me what time on Monday)...OK...she is back and the Lawyers told her that she legally could not say what time on Monday. Absolute guarantee that all shareholders would be extremely happy with the 10K. The 10Q will be in November. She said contrary to the report in HSM, it was never stated that it would be out with the 10K. I asked why the wait for the 10K. I mentioned that at the Companies that I have worked with tried to get them out asap. She agreed but stated that there was an extremely good reason for the wait till Monday. Again she stated how happy all of us would be. Very talkative and wanted to get together with me to talk about future business dealings. I am ready.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Stay tuned , talking w/ Sabra now
Right on Doc.. Lets hear some great news. Tell her we will send her on a trip around the world. LOL
LMAO, doubt she needs us, her car allowance of 100K per year is more than some peoples salaries...LOL
No kidding huh.
100 grand car allowance is a little bit funny.
Maybe thats for that armored car
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Stay tuned , talking w/ Sabra now
Doc, I forgot to ask her a very important question. Rufus said the other night that the company was worth close to 15 billion dollars...if everything that will be in the 10-K is stuff we have already seen (8-K, PR's, etc) when will we see the true value of this company (15 bil) reflected in the share price? In other words, when will we hear about the additional 6 billion dollars in assets?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Very frank with me.......Very classy smart lady....10K definately Monday (She asked me to wait for a second to ask a Lawyer if she could tell me what time on Monday)...OK...she is back and the Lawyers told her that she legally could not say what time on Monday. Absolute guarantee that all shareholders would be extremely happy with the 10K. The 10Q will be in November. She said contrary to the report in HSM, it was never stated that it would be out with the 10K. I asked why the wait for the 10K. I mentioned that we at the Companies that I have worked with tried to get them out asap. She agreed but stated that there was an extremely good reason for the wait till Monday. Again she stated how happy all of us would be. Very talkative and wanted to get together with me to talk about future business dealings. I am ready.
\
Thanks Doc..
Guess I can go get some things done today.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
what is this trading at now???? My streamer if F-ing up..
some one give me the O, H, L, and last please
Posted by bigstocks on :
2.15
Posted by 10of13 on :
o 2.22 H2.25 L 2.04 las 2.17
Posted by Chartwalker on :
nice piece of work doc!!!
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
No kidding huh.
100 grand car allowance is a little bit funny.
Maybe thats for that armored car
It's not so unreasonable actually...think about it...how much does an A8, S Class, 7 Series cost these days? I just don't think that is a huge deal...people like nice things...and besides...that is just one more thing they can expense...
Posted by bigstocks on :
2.17
Posted by a surfer on :
Now one quick question.....
The 10k will reset us or do we have to wait for the 10Q???
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Stay tuned , talking w/ Sabra now
Doc, I forgot to ask her a very important question. Rufus said the other night that the company was worth close to 15 billion dollars...if everything that will be in the 10-K is stuff we have already seen (8-K, PR's, etc) when will we see the true value of this company (15 bil) reflected in the share price? In other words, when will we hear about the additional 6 billion dollars in assets?
That will definately be the 10Q. November.
Posted by a surfer on :
thats true crab
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Now one quick question.....
The 10k will reset us or do we have to wait for the 10Q???
reset will come right after the 10K...
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Now one quick question.....
The 10k will reset us or do we have to wait for the 10Q???
I believe it is the 10K. The 10Q will make us even stronger after the reset. That why people are talking about 75-100. The 10K will be enough for the reset.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Morning all...I will be in and out all day as I am working on something that is very important that deals with the banking software that most of you east of the Mississippi river use at your bank. I'm sure you want me to get it right...
I just wanted to thank those of you who appreciated and backed my post about my conversation with Sabra yesterday. You are correct about the DD on our board being 10 times better than HSM, but maybe Rufus and Tut picked that one because it reaches more people. I really try to bring something to this board, but my job does not always allow me the time to do extensive DD. With a newborn and a 6 year old…well my home life is pretty busy as well.
GLTA today...me really think this will happen on Monday, but Sabra did laugh at the Friday the 13th theory and said that it would not surprise her if Rufus did something like that.
Posted by a surfer on :
Thanks guys. Thats what I thought but just checking.
Posted by 10of13 on :
FYI a 10Q is a quarterly report... For those staying in...it should help boost the PPS since it will report more of the bonds info..IMO...
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Thanks guys. Thats what I thought but just checking.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Very frank with me.......Very classy smart lady....10K definately Monday (She asked me to wait for a second to ask a Lawyer if she could tell me what time on Monday)...OK...she is back and the Lawyers told her that she legally could not say what time on Monday. Absolute guarantee that all shareholders would be extremely happy with the 10K. The 10Q will be in November. She said contrary to the report in HSM, it was never stated that it would be out with the 10K. I asked why the wait for the 10K. I mentioned that at the Companies that I have worked with tried to get them out asap. She agreed but stated that there was an extremely good reason for the wait till Monday. Again she stated how happy all of us would be. Very talkative and wanted to get together with me to talk about future business dealings. I am ready.
This is what I'm saying...total class act and makes you feel important when she talks to you. This is pretty much what she told me, except she pinned down Monday this time. Keep me posted Doc. Posted by RyanPBF on :
good job doc and st matt. It's nice to know there's someone we can get in touch with.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I've enjoyed your comments and DD here St,Matt
Just read where BB and Glassman were mentioned on SPR, again, WAY COOL!
Great board here!
It may have gone to heck if Rufus would've picked us to post on, think about it...
That may have been a blessing in disguise!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
good point chart. It seems like we've had more time to actually do DD. Since we weren't constantly battling infighting and defending the stock, and if Rufus came over hear I'm sure we would've had to do a lot of it. Due to the fact of the people that bash were ever he is.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
So far I'm liking today (PPS) Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'd be happy staying in this range. I wouldn't mind holding in this area it's the big runup followed by the bigger drops I hate.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
ARE WE HALTED
sorry I just think we need those every once in awhile.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
OMG... look at this Volume... I bet the MM are on the market floor fighting over candy wrappers thinking they might possibly be a share of CSHD.
It is like every share is locked up in somebody's vault until after the 10K. Posted by Chartwalker on :
showing 2.23 as a ress level (intra)
-be nice to get over it Posted by RyanPBF on :
Tax that's a funny scenario. I know if I was there I'd be throwing fake one's all over the floor to watch them trip over themselves
Posted by RyanPBF on :
coming up on hod Posted by a surfer on :
No question Chart. Let him stay over there. we don't need "kiddie swim" here.
Posted by cassity on :
A guy I work with decided to buy some CSHD this week. Unfortunately, he bought in at 2.86. He said when he called ST, they told him only 500 shares were left. I kinda laughed, because I'd never heard of anything like that. Anywhoo, I think the mm's are runnin a LITTLE low on shares. GLTA
Posted by NEL on :
Volume 311,399
Is this really the folume so far... holding tight!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: No question Chart. Let him stay over there. we don't need "kiddie swim" here.
Yeah everybody knows they pee in the pool Posted by NEL on :
volume not folume, sorry!
Posted by kcool on :
guys what do you think is a sensible sell order for the short run in your opinion. thanks
Posted by Chartwalker on :
something going on????
Posted by 10of13 on :
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Ryan ~ I think you hit the problem right on the head. The MM's have been throughing around so many fake shares lately that now the mad scramble for a few real ones has them on their knees checking out gum wrappers!
GLTA I got a whole stack of genuine gum wrappers and I am loving this climb!!! Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.35 next ress level...
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by kcool: guys what do you think is a sensible sell order for the short run in your opinion. thanks
i don't think many people here could give you a sensible sell order with monday being three days away, lol...
although...if you are just trading...pick a spot where you are comfy with the profits...no shame in that...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
According to Tut, the 10k can still have the (additional) bonds received to date via notes to the financial statements. I traded PM's with him last night. I have a message into him to see if I can post it here. I will let you know when I know.
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Stay tuned , talking w/ Sabra now
Doc, I forgot to ask her a very important question. Rufus said the other night that the company was worth close to 15 billion dollars...if everything that will be in the 10-K is stuff we have already seen (8-K, PR's, etc) when will we see the true value of this company (15 bil) reflected in the share price? In other words, when will we hear about the additional 6 billion dollars in assets?
That will definately be the 10Q. November.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by kcool: guys what do you think is a sensible sell order for the short run in your opinion. thanks
When it hits $23.40 kcool you should maybe think about getting out a bit early. Yeah that sounds sensible. Sorry I am a long. I have no idea what you have invested, or what you consider sensible.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
sure seems like something up doesn't it.
Posted by a surfer on :
wow. gone for 3 min. and boom!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
I'm long too Tax, only 4K shares in my account to trade, all the rest are in a stock cert...
Posted by maumee river rat on :
support for and resistance for 11:00am to close
Support long term 1.79
short term 2.05 increasing to 2.08 EOD 2.10 increasing to 2.12 eod 2.30 increasing to 2.39 EOD _________________________________________________ resistance 2.49 decline to 2.41 EOD 2.78 decline to 2.70 EOD
long 3.12 and 3.23
Posted by a surfer on :
Well as I alluded to earlier this should be the day for the last min. late bloomers to get in.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well leave for another 3 surfer!!! ha ha ~
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: OMG... look at this Volume... I bet the MM are on the market floor fighting over candy wrappers thinking they might possibly be a share of CSHD.
It is like every share is locked up in somebody's vault until after the 10K.
LMAO...but I can picture it. We'll have to add that as Rufus's dream when we make the movie.
Posted by a surfer on :
Time to eat LOL
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: support for and resistance for 11:00am to close
Support long term 1.79
short term 2.05 increasing to 2.08 EOD 2.10 " " 2.12 eod _________________________________________________ Resistance short 2.30 increasing to 2.39 EOD 2.49 decline to 2.41 EOD 2.78 decline to 2.70 EOD
long 3.12 and 3.23
Thanks rat!!!!
Posted by maumee river rat on :
'welcome!!!
Posted by maumee river rat on :
that 2.30 to 2.39 resistance line is now support ....MINOR support, but support none the less
Posted by Chartwalker on :
hmmm,... -so if we can get through this dip we have a shot at breaking past that 2.35 huh rat....
Hope so!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
1 of 4 pos...
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Where we sitten Dude???
Streamer still locked....
Posted by Chartwalker on :
on the fence rat...
2.29 2.31
Posted by Chartwalker on :
still in dip mode...
Posted by frank021474 on :
Interesting post from HSM- Phone numbers on it to verify:
EVERYONE. THE 10K IS DUE TODAY (From Samalerocks on HSM)
Hello XXXXXXX,
It seems CSHD is a non-accelerated filer. The 10-K filing deadline for a June 30, 2006 fiscal year end was September 28, 2006. (90 days after the FYE). A Form 12b-25 (NT10-K) was filed which provides filers a 15 calendar day extension. The 10-K is due today, October 13, 2006, before 5:30 p.m. EDT.
If you have any additional questions, do not hesitate to contact us. Please visit our new EDGAR filing forum at www.edgarlink.com/fourm for the latest information on SEC filings and other related topics.
Regards,
Kenan Filing department.
__________________________ Securex Filing Corp. SEC EDGAR Filing Service Bureau www.secfile.net
************************************************** ******
Posted by Doniboy on :
Chart, where is the "bottom support" at? I'm looking to pick up some shares but want to get in low. Over at I-Bash there is a concerted basher effort to try and convince everyone that if the 10K isn't out before EOD that the sky is falling.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Thats a p[retty weak area Walker.... Don't know if it will hold...
Had a small gap on the minute charts around 2.18....Did that ever fill???? If not that may be what happens....Support at 2.18 as well
Posted by Chartwalker on :
sitting on one now Doniboy
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Thats a p[retty weak area Walker.... Don't know if it will hold...
Had a small gap on the minute charts around 2.18....Did that ever fill???? If not that may be what happens....Support at 2.18 as well
Excellent point rat.
That's why I wanted your longer term numbers, intradays aren't as set in stone, but with all the games being played here, it's at least something. been getting us in the ballpark +/- a cent or two...
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: support for and resistance for 11:00am to close
Support long term 1.79
short term 2.05 increasing to 2.08 EOD 2.10 increasing to 2.12 eod 2.30 increasing to 2.39 EOD _________________________________________________ resistance 2.49 decline to 2.41 EOD 2.78 decline to 2.70 EOD
long 3.12 and 3.23
bump....for what it's worth donni
Posted by Chartwalker on :
3 of 4 now pos.
Looks like we bounced right off that 2.23 ~
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Chart, where is the "bottom support" at? I'm looking to pick up some shares but want to get in low. Over at I-Bash there is a concerted basher effort to try and convince everyone that if the 10K isn't out before EOD that the sky is falling.
That is straight bashing.... any intelligent human would know that is not true. Check the SEC rules people...."falls on weekend, next full trading day is deadline."
Posted by Doniboy on :
Thanks guys
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: 3 of 4 now pos.
Looks like we bounced right off that 2.23 ~
Don't like it..... No reason for it to bounce there other than that gap.....
Not holding my breath yet...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
so what's everyone thinking about that post from HSM. If it's the same guy from Ihub. He's been a big supporter of the stock as far as I know. If it's true Doc or Matt can you verify that with Sabra?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
last time Stochastic was this low (oversold) was at 9:44 today. 2.04-7 range, she ran to 2.35 ress.
Posted by cassity on :
Anyone have Sabra Dabbs phone #?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
If it is due today Sarah and Rufus might just be saying Monday to catch people off guard. I would not be suprised if we got something today, that would make for a great weekend...
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: Interesting post from HSM- Phone numbers on it to verify:
EVERYONE. THE 10K IS DUE TODAY (From Samalerocks on HSM)
Hello XXXXXXX,
It seems CSHD is a non-accelerated filer. The 10-K filing deadline for a June 30, 2006 fiscal year end was September 28, 2006. (90 days after the FYE). A Form 12b-25 (NT10-K) was filed which provides filers a 15 calendar day extension. The 10-K is due today, October 13, 2006, before 5:30 p.m. EDT.
If you have any additional questions, do not hesitate to contact us. Please visit our new EDGAR filing forum at www.edgarlink.com/fourm for the latest information on SEC filings and other related topics.
Regards,
Kenan Filing department.
__________________________ Securex Filing Corp. SEC EDGAR Filing Service Bureau www.secfile.net
This is doctored. It is BS. I have spoke to 3 differant people Sabra, Solomon Smith Barney and another Broker. The brokers both checked and said 5:30 PM monday
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: so what's everyone thinking about that post from HSM. If it's the same guy from Ihub. He's been a big supporter of the stock as far as I know. If it's true Doc or Matt can you verify that with Sabra?
It is incorrect Ryan... we have confirmed several times that a filing deadline that falls on the weekend makes the next trading day the "new" filing deadline.
Posted by hawki2 on :
I just received a call from Mitch Sepaniak...
This was from a voicemail I left yesterday about not being on the sharehoder list. He said that they are going to track down my shares from their end and I should request the actual certs. He wanted to know my broker(TDA) and said that others are in the same position. He didn't feel that there was a problem expect that they are not recieving a true shareholder list and they have a right to that information.
Also he said that they have received over 2500 voicemails and emails that they are responding to and plan to correct this situation once and for all.
By the tone in his voice...I think something is about to happen. IMO...Also, if something is not about to happen, why did he waste his time to call me back in such a short time frame. Sumptin is about to happen!!!!!
IMO...This company is the Real Deal!!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
I know Dog, they are desperate over there Its actually weird. The bashers who are usually calm, and pick and pick at every little thing actually sound angry today. I think they are looking for a panic sell, to try and cover. Then when the 10K does come out, they will short it again and start the bash all over again.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Chart, where is the "bottom support" at? I'm looking to pick up some shares but want to get in low. Over at I-Bash there is a concerted basher effort to try and convince everyone that if the 10K isn't out before EOD that the sky is falling.
That is straight bashing.... any intelligent human would know that is not true. Check the SEC rules people...."falls on weekend, next full trading day is deadline."
The math kinda works out ,,,, from the 28 of last month to today is 15 days......isn't it??
Not losen it or anything....Just asken if that extention REALLY WAS filed on the 28th
Posted by 10of13 on :
They filed the for the extension on the 29th...and if you add the 15days it puts it on this weekend... IF they were to have it filed on the 28th? Seems the SEC would not have accepted the filing for an extension on the 29th...sooo...I'm going with it being due now on Monday at the latest!
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: so what's everyone thinking about that post from HSM. If it's the same guy from Ihub. He's been a big supporter of the stock as far as I know. If it's true Doc or Matt can you verify that with Sabra?
Posted by Doniboy on :
Thats the Dabate River, but the thing is that everyone gets so worked up over nothing in this stock. The bashers set up a feeling that the world will end if a certain deadline (that they usually invent) is not met. Then as it gets closer they keep chiming in saying (they're not gonna make it...better dump). They try and build the tension until a panic ensues. Its a very obvious tactic.
Posted by thedoctor on :
The date I am looking at is Sept. 29
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: Interesting post from HSM- Phone numbers on it to verify:
EVERYONE. THE 10K IS DUE TODAY (From Samalerocks on HSM)
Hello XXXXXXX,
It seems CSHD is a non-accelerated filer. The 10-K filing deadline for a June 30, 2006 fiscal year end was September 28, 2006. (90 days after the FYE). A Form 12b-25 (NT10-K) was filed which provides filers a 15 calendar day extension. The 10-K is due today, October 13, 2006, before 5:30 p.m. EDT.
If you have any additional questions, do not hesitate to contact us. Please visit our new EDGAR filing forum at www.edgarlink.com/fourm for the latest information on SEC filings and other related topics.
Regards,
Kenan Filing department.
__________________________ Securex Filing Corp. SEC EDGAR Filing Service Bureau www.secfile.net
This is doctored. It is BS. I have spoke to 3 differant people Sabra, Solomon Smith Barney and another Broker. The brokers both checked and said 5:30 PM monday
---clever little way of creating a selloff EOD so they can snag more cheap shares huh?...
Looks like it, cause with the 28th being Saturday, Rufus clearly has till Monday IMO.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Guys quit calling and asking them when the filing is going to be... If they could tell you then it is public knowledge and it is in a press release.
Other than that they can not give you specifics, not to mention they know everything they say goes instantly to the message boards and get diseminated to MM's, shorty, and everybody. So why would they not use it as an opportunity to tell them what they want them to think.
The important thing is that it is going to be filed, and we are going to be happy when it is.
Posted by cassity on :
Hey doc, can you give me Sabra's phone #. Thanks
Posted by a surfer on :
what are these 2 sells at 2.05???
Posted by Jenna on :
Hi Guys,
Thanx to St. Matt for yesterdays call to Sabra & thanks to Doc for todays call!!
BB your DD kicks butt- thankx for it girlfriend-you always seem to know what to look for & where to look. You can teach me your stategies anytime!!
I just want everyone to remember something, it DOES NOT matter what ANYONE on message boards say about the 10K deadline. Sabra said it today to Doc - out Monday!! That's great!!
Also remember this when you hear all the smack:
THIS STOCK WAS JUST .08 4 MONTHS AGO. I GOT IN AT .95 A MONTH AGO. IT'S STILL HOLDING STRONG IN THE 2.00'S. BOTTOMLINE THAT IS SPECTACULAR!!! AND THAT'S ONLY THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG- SO WHEN YOU HEAR THE BASHING LET THEM GO- THEN IN A FEW MONTHS SEND THE BASHERS A PICTURE OF YOU SIPPIN' MARGARITAS ON THE BEACH IN COSTA RICA!!
Love you ALL, this is the best group of people on a board EVER!!!!
I'll meet you guys in Vegas - Nov9th - Nov 12th?
VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS VEGAS
Posted by thedoctor on :
It appears that these people are on a mission. They are trying anything to create a panic. I don't believe any of us here will fall for that crap.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: what are these 2 sells at 2.05???
Somebody getting screwed!
Posted by Vin on :
How big were those 2.05 sells?
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Thats what I thought to 10>>>.
They filed on 29th .... That puts day 15 on Saturday ....so monday ins the Gig!!!
Bashers changed the dates to insight panic!!!!!
They will FRY in the end...
Posted by cassity on :
PHONE NUMBER FOR SABRA DABBS PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Posted by thedoctor on :
One sec
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: It appears that these people are on a mission. They are trying anything to create a panic. I don't believe any of us here will fall for that crap.
5 stars for seeing the big picture doc! Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: How big were those 2.05 sells?
1050 and 300
Posted by a surfer on :
Its useless to even post over there. They are stuck on stupid!
Posted by Vin on :
Thanks Surf.
Posted by ccvle on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Thats what I thought to 10>>>.
They filed on 29th .... That puts day 15 on Saturday ....so monday ins the Gig!!!
Bashers changed the dates to insight panic!!!!!
They will FRY in the end...
what you talking about the orginal deadline was the 28th.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
has somebody forwarded that post to Rufus. That could be another nail in the coffin of somebody free life.
Posted by Jenna on :
Ryan- you still there?
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...you sure are an impatient! I think it was in one of the last PR's... Somebody give him the number..I hate to see grown men beg...
quote:Originally posted by cassity: PHONE NUMBER FOR SABRA DABBS PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: PHONE NUMBER FOR SABRA DABBS PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!
Sabra's Number 770-420-8270 ext 2385
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by Vin: How big were those 2.05 sells?
1050 and 300
fat finger huh?..
2.25....."?"
Posted by Jenna on :
Never mind I see you.
Posted by cassity on :
Haven't been to I-hub for 2 months. I think I'm finally clean from spending so much time in that chit!
Posted by 10of13 on :
What ever the deadline was...The SEC took the extension filing on the 29th...now add 15 days period!
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Thats what I thought to 10>>>.
They filed on 29th .... That puts day 15 on Saturday ....so monday ins the Gig!!!
Bashers changed the dates to insight panic!!!!!
They will FRY in the end...
what you talking about the orginal deadline was the 28th.
Posted by cassity on :
Thanks Doc, BTW: I think many on this board owe you an apology, for the way they treated you when you first came on board. Thanks for your DD, and GLTY.
Posted by Doniboy on :
I wish I coud stay away Cass. I just hate the bashers too much to let them get away with trying to screw people. I know I shouldn't lend validity to their arguments by debating them, but I like to expose them for the con men/women they are.
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Haven't been to I-hub for 2 months. I think I'm finally clean from spending so much time in that chit!
Posted by Jenna on :
Ryan - went to my dad's yeaterday- of course with my luck he was having problems with his sattelite!!! It was sleeting here for a little bit!!
Anyway, he said it was the BUSINESS channel on satellite.
I hope that helps- let me know if you find anything. To me- I think that's still a little to general. Isn't there probably more than 1 business channel?
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Thanks Doc, BTW: I think many on this board owe you an apology, for the way they treated you when you first came on board. Thanks for your DD, and GLTY.
Thank you so much. It is appreciated.
Posted by Jenna on :
You da man DOC
Posted by Chartwalker on :
maybe we can give the doc back a star or two?... -hint-hint..... Posted by RyanPBF on :
I would imagine there would be more than one business channel and I guess it might depend if it's dish network or direct tv.
Good job Doc.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I hooked the Doc up. I used to have all my stars. I think I said some stuff on another stock and people didn't like it and they dropped my rating.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Thats what I thought to 10>>>.
They filed on 29th .... That puts day 15 on Saturday ....so monday ins the Gig!!!
Bashers changed the dates to insight panic!!!!!
They will FRY in the end...
what you talking about the orginal deadline was the 28th.
Let me elaborate.....The SEC processed the extention on the 29th.....
the 29th of Sept + 15 days = SATURDAY...Monday it is...
Capish!!!
Posted by frank021474 on :
Long as the board knows I didn't post that thing from HSM to impend doom that the 10k needs to come today. I dont plan on selling right away so Monday or today makes no difference to me.
The reason I post things I see from other boards is so that I can get real opinions from folks that I have been reading opinions and DD on for the last several months.
I personally will be looking forward to the 10Q in Nov.
Good luck to all and look forward to the post-CSHD stories.
-fw
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: Long as the board knows I didn't post that thing from HSM to impend doom that the 10k needs to come today. I dont plan on selling right away so Monday or today makes no difference to me.
The reason I post things I see from other boards is so that I can get real opinions from folks that I have been reading opinions and DD on for the last several months.
I personally will be looking forward to the 10Q in Nov.
Good luck to all and look forward to the post-CSHD stories.
-fw
I for one think that's how it "should" be done Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Thanks Doc, BTW: I think many on this board owe you an apology, for the way they treated you when you first came on board. Thanks for your DD, and GLTY.
What.....Did I miss out on some fun?????
I'll treat ya bad if it makes ya feel better Doc... Posted by 10of13 on :
Maumee or Chart...I am making one last buy with this puppy...I have the order at 2.08...ya'll think will it go there? TIA...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
just some misunderstandings rat. Frank I agree with chart you find something somewhere else bring over and let everybody work on it.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Thanks Doc, BTW: I think many on this board owe you an apology, for the way they treated you when you first came on board. Thanks for your DD, and GLTY.
What.....Did I miss out on some fun?????
I'll treat ya bad if it makes ya feel better Doc...
Leave it to Rat, to always be thinking of others. LMAO Don't worry Doc, he gave me some great sleeping aid advice....although I'm still working on some of them. Posted by 10of13 on :
Cassity..let us know what Sabra says? Will ya?
Please?!
Posted by Doniboy on :
10 I have a buy order in at $2.08 as well. Its been sitting there for a while now Posted by Chartwalker on :
10, 2.10 / 2.16 I think I could see that happening.
Even lower if the volume dries up... give it another hour, entering a little up swing, 4 pos now, but not moving much, so it's weak at best.
my 2 cents...
Posted by ccvle on :
I think we now have 3 sources that point the deadline to today. Someone called edgar, and a company that does SEC filing and both said today is the deadline. The Sec calender also said today.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Maumee or Chart...I am making one last buy with this puppy...I have the order at 2.08...ya'll think will it go there? TIA...
It will have to get there before 1:00pm 10....unless it breachs that support at that level... That is around the bounce point if it does...If it breaches it,,,, it will be cheaper than 2.08..
Tough to call this one today ...it's doin things out of the norm...
I have an urge to plce an order lower than that ....just in case it want's to test that 1.80 area....It could do it...
Posted by a surfer on :
If anyone cares Kelly Slater just won his 8th. world title today.
Thats my boy..
Posted by SherriT on :
Since the 10Q was brought up...when are we expecting that one?
(Edit: I miss Tax's elegant graphic!)
Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks guys!! Doni...let's keep our fingers crossed...a dip and rebound!
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: If anyone cares Kelly Slater just won his 8th. world title today.
Thats my boy..
Ok, am I dumb...who is Kelly Slater? Posted by dog on :
Are we still debating whether the 10k is due today?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Thats what I thought to 10>>>.
They filed on 29th .... That puts day 15 on Saturday ....so monday ins the Gig!!!
Bashers changed the dates to insight panic!!!!!
I'm not a basher, and believe the company, but the SEC rules says 15 days from when the 10K was due, not the extension date that was filed.
They will FRY in the end...
what you talking about the orginal deadline was the 28th.
Let me elaborate.....The SEC processed the extention on the 29th.....
the 29th of Sept + 15 days = SATURDAY...Monday it is...
Capish!!!
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: If anyone cares Kelly Slater just won his 8th. world title today.
Thats my boy..
Ok, am I dumb...who is Kelly Slater?
Awesome surfer...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Since the 10Q was brought up...when are we expecting that one?
(Edit: I miss Tax's elegant graphic!)
Nov. 15th I believe... Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: If anyone cares Kelly Slater just won his 8th. world title today.
Thats my boy..
Ok, am I dumb...who is Kelly Slater?
Awesome surfer...
Yea, surfing isn't all that popular in Chicago. We just don't get any narly waves in Lake Michigan. Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Are we still debating whether the 10k is due today?
everything points to MONDAY dog...
Posted by dog on :
Exactly... it's been Monday, it's still Monday.... amazing in the 11th hour how bashers try to instill doubt.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: I think we now have 3 sources that point the deadline to today. Someone called edgar, and a company that does SEC filing and both said today is the deadline. The Sec calender also said today.
And there is as many if not more sources that say that that is incorrect...Including the Owners os the company.....I don't really think they would drop the ball on a date mix-up at this point .....Do you??...Scratch that.....of course you do....
WHATEVER>>>>
Buh- BYE NOW!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: If anyone cares Kelly Slater just won his 8th. world title today.
Thats my boy..
Ok, am I dumb...who is Kelly Slater?
Awesome surfer...
Yea, surfing isn't all that popular in Chicago. We just don't get any narly waves in Lake Michigan.
Yes you do Vin!*!!!http://www.greatlakesurfing.com/
Posted by ccvle on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Thats what I thought to 10>>>.
They filed on 29th .... That puts day 15 on Saturday ....so monday ins the Gig!!!
Bashers changed the dates to insight panic!!!!!
I'm not a basher, and believe the company, but the SEC rules says 15 days from when the 10K was due, not the extension date that was filed.
They will FRY in the end...
what you talking about the orginal deadline was the 28th.
Let me elaborate.....The SEC processed the extention on the 29th.....
the 29th of Sept + 15 days = SATURDAY...Monday it is...
Capish!!!
No. The the 15 days extension is 15 days from the original deadline, which was the 28th.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
brb gang ~
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Exactly... it's been Monday, it's still Monday.... amazing in the 11th hour how bashers try to instill doubt.
I say we round table it some more!
It would be nice if this thing came out this weekend though, instead of Monday. Would like some time for people to dig into it a bit before the market opens. I have a feeling that price reset (or whatever happens) would occur very soon after it comes out. Is that correct to assume? I believe we've discuss that already, but just trying to get an idea how this "might" go down.
Thanks all.
Posted by ccvle on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: I think we now have 3 sources that point the deadline to today. Someone called edgar, and a company that does SEC filing and both said today is the deadline. The Sec calender also said today.
And there is as many if not more sources that say that that is incorrect...Including the Owners os the company.....I don't really think they would drop the ball on a date mix-up at this point .....Do you??...Scratch that.....of course you do....
WHATEVER>>>>
Buh- BYE NOW!!!
ok, so find me the sources that say it is monday.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: If anyone cares Kelly Slater just won his 8th. world title today.
Thats my boy..
Ok, am I dumb...who is Kelly Slater?
LOL!!!
Isn't he one of those dudes that throw those big f-ng stones accross a frozen pond...and have a bunch of friends sweeping in front of um??? Is that it "SURFER" LOL Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: If anyone cares Kelly Slater just won his 8th. world title today.
Thats my boy..
Ok, am I dumb...who is Kelly Slater?
LOL!!!
Isn't he one of those dudes that throw those big f-ng stones accross a frozen pond...and have a bunch of friends sweeping in front of um??? Is that it "SURFER" LOL
No thats curling!!! LOL
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: If anyone cares Kelly Slater just won his 8th. world title today.
Thats my boy..
Ok, am I dumb...who is Kelly Slater?
LOL!!!
Isn't he one of those dudes that throw those big f-ng stones accross a frozen pond...and have a bunch of friends sweeping in front of um??? Is that it "SURFER" LOL
LOL Rat, dude, don't you attend the annual "Ohio Surf the Corn Fields" festival? Posted by a surfer on :
Is it rebound on the menu for lunch??
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
I'm no basher and haven't been, I'm long on this stock and have been for 3 months, but I'm concerned because the SEC rules does say 15 days from the original due date and not from the extension.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Thanks Doc, BTW: I think many on this board owe you an apology, for the way they treated you when you first came on board. Thanks for your DD, and GLTY.
Give the good doctor some stars to make up for that first night. Posted by a surfer on :
LOL Rat, dude, don't you attend the annual "Ohio Surf the Corn Fields" festival?
Funny huh Vin. Right in your backyard.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
I know it's curling....LOL
I was just tryin to clue Vin in on your screan name....It would help him connect to who kelly Slater is.....He's the BADDEST CURLER IN THE WORLD VIN!!!!!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I hooked the Doc up. I used to have all my stars. I think I said some stuff on another stock and people didn't like it and they dropped my rating.
I got your back Ryan.
Posted by a surfer on :
ROFLMAO rat
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: LOL Rat, dude, don't you attend the annual "Ohio Surf the Corn Fields" festival?
Funny huh Vin. Right in your backyard.
Actually it's my side yard! LOL Ok, so we're just "a little" jealous. But I'm ok with it. Nothing beats hot-tubbing in a snowstorm...so it's a season that I welcome! I'll surf one of the 90-some jets in my tub. Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I'm no basher and haven't been, I'm long on this stock and have been for 3 months, but I'm concerned because the SEC rules does say 15 days from the original due date and not from the extension.
It has been confirmed that it will be in COMPLIANCE! NO need to worry! I'm sure that a multi-billion dollar company will make sure they do things correctly. We don't know what the BIG picture is, so let's just enjoy the ride. GLTY
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Thanks Matt. If anyone has conscerns call edgars or the sec for yourself and see what they say.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Thanks Matt. If anyone has conscerns call edgars or the sec for yourself and see what they say.
Edgars and SEC has been called and it was cofirmed by another member that the official documented due date is Today. That if it isnt filed today and monday there wont be an E cuz there is a grace period, but they will lose some benefits.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Thanks Matt. If anyone has conscerns call edgars or the sec for yourself and see what they say.
Edgars and SEC has been called and it was cofirmed by another member that the official documented due date is Today. That if it isnt filed today and monday there wont be an E cuz there is a grace period, but they will lose some benefits.
You called them personally ST22.??
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Thanks Matt. If anyone has conscerns call edgars or the sec for yourself and see what they say.
Edgars and SEC has been called and it was cofirmed by another member that the official documented due date is Today. That if it isnt filed today and monday there wont be an E cuz there is a grace period, but they will lose some benefits.
You called them personally ST22.??
Nope but some well respected members on HSM did, and if you read, everyone now on there pretty much agrees that today is the day.
Posted by new2stocks on :
Can someone here call the SEC and find out once and for all??
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Can someone here call the SEC and find out once and for all??
Actually they have a one day grace period...part of rufus's plan I think....
10, can you cut and paste that part, can't open it on this computer...
Chart I can't cut and paste. Its in pdf format
Posted by maumee river rat on :
F- er wont close that gap will it Walker....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Thanks Matt. If anyone has conscerns call edgars or the sec for yourself and see what they say.
Edgars and SEC has been called and it was cofirmed by another member that the official documented due date is Today. That if it isnt filed today and monday there wont be an E cuz there is a grace period, but they will lose some benefits.
what benefits could they lose if they file in the grace period. That doesn't make sense to me.
Posted by Jenna on :
Guys,
I just called edgars & the woman on the phone said they SHOULD NOT be telling due dates!! She said the only one who can say what the due date is, is the SEC. Disregard anything from Edgars.
Don't doubt Rufus, he's pretty smart!!!
If they say it's on time Monday. Then I believe him. No worries!
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Thanks Matt. If anyone has conscerns call edgars or the sec for yourself and see what they say.
Edgars and SEC has been called and it was cofirmed by another member that the official documented due date is Today. That if it isnt filed today and monday there wont be an E cuz there is a grace period, but they will lose some benefits.
what benefits could they lose if they file in the grace period. That doesn't make sense to me.
can't answer that, just relaying what i saw on another board....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I understand. just didn't make any sense to me.
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey speaking of stars- it looks like Vin could use some too. Doc - I already gave you 5 a long time ago. Vin - you got 5 from me!
Posted by maumee river rat on :
I guess that gap filled on a fat finger Walker... I just noticed it... Don't like forced gap fills like that,,,, but it is on a very short term chart... that makes it a bit more valid in my book..
OK Gang!!!!
Lets make this puppy ROCK!!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys,
I just called edgars & the woman on the phone said they SHOULD NOT be telling due dates!! She said the only one who can say what the due date is, is the SEC. Disregard anything from Edgars.
Don't doubt Rufus, he's pretty smart!!!
If they say it's on time Monday. Then I believe him. No worries!
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey speaking of stars- it looks like Vin could use some too. Doc - I already gave you 5 a long time ago. Vin - you got 5 from me!
Sweeeeet.... Thanks.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey speaking of stars- it looks like Vin could use some too. Doc - I already gave you 5 a long time ago. Vin - you got 5 from me!
*sniff* *sniff*
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: F- er wont close that gap will it Walker....
Thx surfer ..
won't do anything rat ~
That tells me it'll go lower, no power to climb...
but the drop of a pin and it likes to run...
Posted by a surfer on :
any one know the # to SEC. I can't locate.
Posted by cassity on :
Hey I have an idea, why don't all of you just turn off the stars. HA Posted by Jenna on :
OOOOOh Sherri- I gave you 5 stars the 1st time you spoke to me 'cause you are so sweet!! Let's make this "Give out stars to the ones you love Day"!
Posted by ccvle on :
Call SEC 202-942-8088
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Useful Telephone Numbers at the SEC
SEC Toll-Free Investor Information Service: 1-800-SEC-0330 To obtain free publications and investor alerts, learn how to file a complaint, and contact the SEC. Information Line (General SEC Information): (202) 942-8088 TTY: (202) 551-6020
Public Affairs: (202) 551-4120 For press inquiries
Public Reference: (202) 551-8090 For obtaining copies of public Commission records such as corporate filings and notices of Commission action.
Division of Corporation Finance, Office of Chief Counsel: (202) 551-3500
Division of Investment Management: See Division of Investment Management: Directory of Telephone Numbers and E-Mail Addresses
Division of Market Regulation, Office of Interpretation and Guidance: 202-551-5777
EDGAR Filer Support (Office of Filings and Information Services): (202) 551-8900
EDGAR Filing Fee Information (Office of Filings and Information Services): (202) 551-8989
Paper Filings (Office of Filings and Information Services): (202) 551-8090
Investor Assistance and Complaints: (202) 551-6551
Office of Municipal Securities: (202) 551-5680
Publications Unit: (202) 551-4040 For obtaining blank copies of SEC forms (BD, 144, etc.) and other SEC publications.
Regional and District Offices: See SEC Addresses: HQ, Regional, and District Offices
Branch of Registrations and Examinations (Office of Filings and Information Services): (202) 551-7250
Office of the Secretary: (202) 551-5400
Office of Small Business - Small Business Ombudsman; Division of Corporation Finance: (202) 551-3460
Posted by 10of13 on :
Chart..can't copy and paste PDF..and everywhere else I look is still in PDF...If I find it I'll post it....
Posted by Chartwalker on :
thx 10 ~
-cause it would be nice to get that out "in the open" Posted by 10of13 on :
Then how would we know who is any good?
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Hey I have an idea, why don't all of you just turn off the stars. HA
Posted by cassity on :
Anyone ever notice the mm LGTD on this before?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Anyone ever notice the mm LGTD on this before?
Legacy Trading, Inc.
MAIN 405-216-0554
TRADING 405-216-9443 ????- think they are new ~
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Anyone ever notice the mm LGTD on this before?
I've noticed a couple new ones today cas...
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Then how would we know who is any good?
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Hey I have an idea, why don't all of you just turn off the stars. HA
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
From HSM: Take it for what its worth
I just called the SEC to ask about the deadline. I spoke to a really helpfukl guy named David. He told me that the deadline is fifteen calendar days from the filing of the extension. He looked up FURIA, which is what CSHD files under, and said that for them that would be October 14th. Even though that is a Saturday it does not carry to Monday. They can file by 5:50pm today or they can file electronically over the weekend. It is posted on edgar up to 24 hours after the filing.
So I said theoretically if FURIA files electronically on Saturday. The filing would be completed on Monday and posted on Edgar by the latest Tuesday. He said that was correct.
He also said that it would be very bad if they didn't file on time. I said how bad. He said the company would be marked as delinquent.
Posted by betting babe on :
what am i cutting and pasting? what section?
i can do it for ya.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Same guy:
This is the number I called: SEC Investor Assistance and Complaints: (202) 551-6551
I spoke to David.
He said they have a grace period of one day after the original due date for the notice of late filings. They used thwat one day therefore the 15 days starts then.
Posted by Jmoove on :
this isn't rocket science, count 15 days from the 29th, not counting the 29th and the date is October 14th. NT-K's provide for late delivery on or before the 15th calendar day after due date. The 10k is due today. Stop the wishful thinking.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
So if thats the case.... If they file tonight the thing should show on edgar by Monday???
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
If it falls on a weekend you have to the next business day I think...which would be monday jmoove
Posted by ccvle on :
What dont you not understand? The 15 days is from the original deadline.
Posted by betting babe on :
NASD is filing the proposed rule change to clarify the removal process and grace periods for securities of OTCBB issuers that fail to remain current in their reporting requirements. Specifically, when an issuer does not comply with the reporting requirements in NASD Rule 6530, either because a filing was not made8 or because a filing was incomplete,9 a fifth character “E” is appended to the trading symbol of that issuer’s security.10 Notice of the pending symbol NASD Rule 6530 generally permits the continued quoting of securities of delinquent issuers for a specified grace period. 13 Questions have been raised as to from what date the grace period, if applicable, commences. NASD is clarifying that the grace period, if applicable, is calculated from the date notification of the pending symbol change to append the “E” modifier is published on the OTCBB Daily List. If the issuer does not comply within any applicable grace period provided by NASD Rule 6530 and no request for review by a hearing panel has been received,14 then the securities of the issuer are removed from quotation on the OTCBB following a subsequent publication on the OTCBB Daily List of the removal. In this case, notice of removal will appear on the Daily List within one business day after the expiration of the grace period.15 Alternatively, if the delinquent issuer becomes current in its filings with the Commission or its respective regulator during any applicable grace period provided for in NASD Rule 6530, the “E” modifier will be removed from the trading symbol of that issuer’s security following subsequent publication thereof on the OTCBB Daily List.16 In this case, notice of the symbol change will appear on the OTCBB Daily List within one business day after the filing of the complete periodic report.
and specifically:
13 The grace period set forth in NASD Rule 6530 varies depending on the type of issuer. OTCBB issuers that file with the Commission are subject to a 30 calendar day grace period, whereas, OTCBB issuers that do not file with the Commission, but are required to file with other regulators (i.e., banks, savings associations, and insurance companies) are afforded a 60 calendar day grace period. Pursuant to NASD Rule 6530(e), however, the third time an OTCBB issuer is delinquent in the prior two-year period, that issuer’s securities will be removed from quotation on the OTCBB without the benefit of any grace period for the third delinquency, although seven calendar days will be provided to request a review of the staff determination by a hearing panel. See Securities Exchange Act Release No. 52786
Posted by Chartwalker on :
BB.... "?"
-anything that can help clear this up?...
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: OOOOOh Sherri- I gave you 5 stars the 1st time you spoke to me 'cause you are so sweet!! Let's make this "Give out stars to the ones you love Day"!
And here I thought it was because I told you to check this one out I was just messing around anyway....I am who I am stars or no stars...
And Cass and 10, we all know who is good... Posted by humble on :
I am not new to this stock, only to the board. Great work by all to this point.
IMO, some of you are too quick to dismiss that today may be the technical deadline for the 10K filing. Go back and read the extension - it buys them 15 days from the original prescribed due date... NOT from when the extension was filed... the original prescribed due date. I could be wrong and I do not claim to be an expert on SEC filings but I can easily see how the common rules could be interpretted to mean that today is the day we have all waited for. If there is a grace period of exception for this company I am not seeing it.
As for the conversation with company officials, I do not think that Mitch or Sabra ever told anyone that the 10K would be FILED on Monday, just that it would be OUT on Monday. They could still be telling the truth if it came out today, no? Think about what has actually been said (or reported to have been said).
I do not mention this to create alarm if it does not happen today. I simply do not want people to be left out in the cold waiting on a good buying opportunity thinking they have all afternoon to hold off.
Think about all of the benefits filing today would allow. Then think about all of those benefits that would be negated by waiting until Monday.
Do not be caught with your pants down.
Try not to let your distaste for bashers prevent you from properly considering everyone's opinion. I do not believe ccvle was trying to cause trouble and he was immediately labeled a basher. If I were him I would not have a very high opinion of Allstocks after that.
Best of luck to us all.
DISCLOSURE: I hold a long position in CSHD and intend to keep holdings in this company to a degree appropriate with revelations forthcoming in the 10K and 10Q.
... in my humble opinion.
Posted by Jenna on :
Sherri - Look Holy cow- all the sudden you're up to 4 stars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh yeah - SHERRI TOLD ME ABOUT CSHD!!!!
SHE'S DA WOMAN!!!!
Posted by betting babe on :
yep Chart, a 10k
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: BB.... "?"
-anything that can help clear this up?...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
dang... I have that SEC site saved at home..
What I thought it said was that if the date fell on a weekend, that it was carried over to the following Monday.
So the question is, does the date fall on a weekend?
and.... If it falls on Friday, -how does that grace period of one day effect it?... (if at all)
Posted by betting babe on :
well we'll know all by Tuesday Posted by stocktrader22 on :
ill tell you one thing, the MM's dont believe it and it aint coming soon, cuz price isn't doing jack Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Humble and welcome aboard... And yes Sabra and others said it would be out Monday...not being specific...means it could be being filed right now...I am keeping the faith that they know what they are doing and holding...oh and buying more to! If this falls through...i guess I am a dumbaZZ...oh well I have been called worse things...
Again...welcome aboard...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Excellent post Humble ~
Posted by RyanPBF on :
speaking of mm's today I think this is the most mm's we've had trading us I think there are like 48 mm's on us now.
Posted by Jenna on :
Everyone chill!!! Rufus knows what he is doing!! I'm pretty sure he knows when the deadline is.
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!!
Call me crazy but that's what I beleive & that's why I think Ruf, Sab, & Ben have all said to people that we are going to be REALLY happy!
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Full text:
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION (Release No. 34-53542; File No. SR-NASD-2006-029) March 23, 2006 Self-Regulatory Organizations; National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc.; Notice of Filing and Immediate Effectiveness of Proposed Rule Change Relating to Amendments to Rule 6530 to Clarify the Removal Process for Securities of OTCBB Issuers that Fail to Remain Current with OTCBB Reporting Requirements Pursuant to Section 19(b)(1) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 (“Act”)1 and Rule 19b-4 thereunder,2 notice is hereby given that on February 27, 2006, the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc. (“NASD”) filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission (“Commission”) the proposed rule change as described in Items I, II, and III below, which Items have been prepared by NASD. NASD has designated the proposed rule change as “constituting a stated policy, practice, or interpretation with respect to the meaning, administration, or enforcement of an existing rule” under Section 19(b)(3)(A)(i) of the Act3 and Rule 19b-4(f)(1) thereunder,4 which renders the proposal effective upon receipt of this filing by the Commission. The Commission is publishing this notice to solicit comments on the proposed rule change from interested persons. I. Self-Regulatory Organization’s Statement of the Terms of Substance of the Proposed Rule Change NASD is proposing to amend NASD Rule 6530 to clarify the removal process for the securities of issuers quoted on the Over-the-Counter Bulletin Board (“OTCBB”) that fail to remain current with reporting their financial information to the Commission or other appropriate regulator. The text of the proposed rule change is available on NASD’s Web site 1 15 U.S.C. 78s(b)(1). 2 17 CFR 240.19b-4. 3 15 U.S.C. 78s(b)(3)(A)(i). 4 17 CFR 240.19b-4(f)(1). (http://www.nasd.com), at the principal office of NASD, and at the Commission’s Public Reference Room. II. Self-Regulatory Organization’s Statement of the Purpose of, and Statutory Basis for, the Proposed Rule Change In its filing with the Commission, NASD included statements concerning the purpose of and basis for the proposed rule change and discussed any comments it received on the proposed rule change. The text of these statements may be examined at the places specified in Item IV below. NASD has prepared summaries, set forth in Sections A, B, and C below, of the most significant aspects of such statements. A. Self-Regulatory Organization's Statement of the Purpose of, and Statutory Basis for, the Proposed Rule Change 1. Purpose In January 1999, the Commission approved amendments to NASD Rules 6530 and 6540 that limit quotations on the OTCBB to securities of issuers that are current in their periodic filings with the Commission or other applicable regulator.5 In November 2005, the Commission approved amendments to NASD Rule 6530 that limit the eligibility for quotation on the OTCBB of the securities of issuers that are repeatedly late or otherwise delinquent in filing periodic reports.6 Specifically, NASD Rule 6530(e) provides that OTCBB issuers that fail to file a complete periodic report with the Commission or other respective regulator, even if they file within the grace period allowed by NASD Rule 6530, three times in a two-year period and those issuers that have been removed from the OTCBB for failure to file two times in a two-year 5 See Securities Exchange Act Release No. 40878 (January 4, 1999), 64 FR 1255 (January 8, 1999) (SR-NASD-98-51). 6 See Securities Exchange Act Release No. 52786 (November 16, 2005), 70 FR 70907 (November 23, 2005) (SR-NASD-2005-011). 2 period, are ineligible for quotation on the OTCBB by an NASD member.7 Following removal pursuant to NASD Rule 6530(e), the securities of an issuer would only become eligible for quotation on the OTCBB again if the issuer has timely filed complete required periodic reports for a one-year period. NASD is filing the proposed rule change to clarify the removal process and grace periods for securities of OTCBB issuers that fail to remain current in their reporting requirements. Specifically, when an issuer does not comply with the reporting requirements in NASD Rule 6530, either because a filing was not made8 or because a filing was incomplete,9 a fifth character “E” is appended to the trading symbol of that issuer’s security.10 Notice of the pending symbol 7 NASD Rule 6530(e) applies to filings for reporting periods ending on and after October 1, 2005. 8 When NASD does not receive notice that an issuer which files with a regulator other than the Commission has timely filed, the “E” modifier is appended to the trading symbol of the issuer’s security. If the issuer did in fact timely file with its respective regulator, the issuer would not be considered delinquent for purposes of NASD Rule 6530(e). 9 In order for a filing to be complete, it must, for example, contain all required certifications, attestations, and financial statements, including an auditor’s review pursuant to SAS–100 (for quarterly reports) or an unqualified auditor’s opinion (for annual reports). See Rule 13a–14 under the Act, 17 CFR 240.13a–14, and Rules 10–01(d) and 2–02(c) of Regulation S–X, 17 CFR 210.10–01(d) and 2–02(c). In addition, the auditor must be registered with the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board. See Section 102(a) of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, 15 U.S.C. 7212(a). 10 A filing would not be considered delinquent if made within any applicable extension permitted by Rule 12b-25 under the Act, provided that the issuer files the applicable materials specified in Rule 12b-25. See 17 CFR 240.12b-25 (under Rule 12b-25, an issuer would need to file, among other things, a Form 12b-25 notice with the Commission no later than one business day after the due date for the applicable report). If the issuer does not file the required report by the expiration of the applicable Rule 12b-25 grace period, notice of a pending change to the issuer’s symbol will be publicly reported on the OTCBB Daily List and the “E” modifier will be appended to the trading symbol of that issuer’s securities. The applicable grace period under NASD Rule 6530 will be calculated from the date of publication on the OTCBB Daily List. 3 change to append the “E” modifier is publicly reported on the OTCBB Daily List.11 This identifier notifies investors and other market participants that the issuer is not current, or that the NASD staff does not have sufficient information to determine if the issuer is current, in its reporting obligations.12 NASD Rule 6530 generally permits the continued quoting of securities of delinquent issuers for a specified grace period. 13 Questions have been raised as to from what date the grace period, if applicable, commences. NASD is clarifying that the grace period, if applicable, is calculated from the date notification of the pending symbol change to append the “E” modifier is published on the OTCBB Daily List. If the issuer does not comply within any applicable grace period provided by NASD Rule 6530 and no request for review by a hearing panel has been received,14 then the securities of the issuer are removed from quotation on the OTCBB following 11 Notice of a pending symbol change is publicly reported on the OTCBB Daily List within seven business days of the due date of the report. The “E” modifier is then appended to the issuer’s security symbol within two business days thereafter. The OTCBB Daily List is available at http://www.otcbb.com. 12 A list of delinquent issuers is available on http://www.otcbb.com. 13 The grace period set forth in NASD Rule 6530 varies depending on the type of issuer. OTCBB issuers that file with the Commission are subject to a 30 calendar day grace period, whereas, OTCBB issuers that do not file with the Commission, but are required to file with other regulators (i.e., banks, savings associations, and insurance companies) are afforded a 60 calendar day grace period. Pursuant to NASD Rule 6530(e), however, the third time an OTCBB issuer is delinquent in the prior two-year period, that issuer’s securities will be removed from quotation on the OTCBB without the benefit of any grace period for the third delinquency, although seven calendar days will be provided to request a review of the staff determination by a hearing panel. See Securities Exchange Act Release No. 52786 (November 16, 2005), 70 FR 70907 (November 23, 2005) (SR-NASD-2005-011). 14 A party aggrieved by a determination relating to the OTCBB may request a review of such determination by a hearing panel pursuant to the NASD Rule 9700 Series. The hearing panel determines whether the securities of an issuer are eligible for continued quotation because the issuer has, in fact, filed a complete periodic report. The hearing panel does not have the discretion to allow the securities of delinquent companies to continue to trade on the OTCBB. A request for review by a hearing panel will stay the 4 a subsequent publication on the OTCBB Daily List of the removal. In this case, notice of removal will appear on the Daily List within one business day after the expiration of the grace period.15 Alternatively, if the delinquent issuer becomes current in its filings with the Commission or its respective regulator during any applicable grace period provided for in NASD Rule 6530, the “E” modifier will be removed from the trading symbol of that issuer’s security following subsequent publication thereof on the OTCBB Daily List.16 In this case, notice of the security’s removal until the panel makes its determination. An issuer that is not removed because it files a late report after requesting a hearing but before a decision by the hearing panel has been issued in the matter would not be considered to have failed to file for purposes of NASD Rule 6530(e)(2), however, that issuer would be considered to have filed late for purposes of NASD Rule 6530(e)(1). In a separate filing with the Commission, NASD is proposing to clarify the availability of this review process and to adopt fees for such review. See SR-NASD-2005-067 (available at http://www.nasd.com). See also Securities Exchange Act Release No. 52786 (November 16, 2005), 70 FR 70907 (November 23, 2005) (SR-NASD-2005-011). 15 After publication on the Daily List, the issuer’s securities will be removed from quotation on the following business day. Telephone conversation among Andrea Orr, Assistant General Counsel, NASD, Nancy Sanow, Assistant Director, Division of Market Regulation, Commission, Tim Fox, Special Counsel, Division of Market Regulation, Commission, and Richard Holley III, Special Counsel, Division of Market Regulation, Commission, on March 20, 2006. 16 A delinquent issuer may not prevent its security from being removed from the OTCBB by filing the required complete periodic report after the grace period expires but before notice of removal is published on the OTCBB Daily List and the security is removed from the system (e.g., if the issuer files the report on the 31st day following publication, where the grace period expired on the 30th day), and OTCBB market makers are not permitted to initiate quotations in delinquent issuers in such instances after the grace period has expired. After the expiration of any applicable grace period where the issuer has not filed the complete periodic report, NASD will continue to process the removal, and an NASD member would only be permitted to quote the issuer’s security to the extent permitted by NASD Rule 6530 and other applicable rules. Telephone conversation among Andrea Orr, Assistant General Counsel, NASD, Nancy Sanow, Assistant Director, Division of Market Regulation, Commission, Tim Fox, Special Counsel, Division of Market Regulation, Commission, and Richard Holley III, Special Counsel, Division of Market Regulation, Commission, on March 20, 2006. 5 symbol change will appear on the OTCBB Daily List within one business day after the filing of the complete periodic report.17 2. Statutory Basis NASD believes that the proposed rule change is consistent with the provisions of Section 15A(b)(6) of the Act, which requires, among other things, that NASD rules must be designed to prevent fraudulent and manipulative acts and practices, to promote just and equitable principles of trade, and, in general, to protect investors and the public interest. NASD believes that the proposed rule change will clarify and provide greater transparency to the process for removing the securities of issuers from quotation on the OTCBB that fail to comply with the reporting requirements in NASD Rule 6530. B. Self-Regulatory Organization's Statement on Burden on Competition NASD does not believe that the proposed rule change will result in any burden on competition that is not necessary or appropriate in furtherance of the purposes of the Act, as amended. C. Self-Regulatory Organization's Statement on Comments on the Proposed Rule Change Received from Members, Participants, or Others Written comments were neither solicited nor received by NASD. III. Date of Effectiveness of the Proposed Rule Change and Timing for Commission Action The proposed rule change has become effective pursuant to Section 19(b)(3)(A)(i) of the Act18 and Rule 19b-4(f)(1) thereunder,19 in that the proposed rule change constitutes a stated 17 See email from Andrea Orr, Assistant General Counsel, NASD to Tim Fox, Special Counsel, Division of Market Regulation, Commission, dated March 22, 2006. 18 15 U.S.C. 78s(b)(3)(A)(i). 19 17 CFR 240.19b-4(f)(1). 6 policy, practice, or interpretation with respect to the meaning, administration, or enforcement of an existing rule of NASD. At any time within 60 days of the filing of the proposed rule change, the Commission may summarily abrogate such rule change if it appears to the Commission that such action is necessary or appropriate in the public interest, for the protection of investors, or otherwise in furtherance of the purposes of the Act. IV. Solicitation of Comments Interested persons are invited to submit written data, views and arguments concerning the foregoing, including whether the proposed rule change is consistent with the Act. Comments may be submitted by any of the following methods: Electronic Comments: Use the Commission’s Internet comment form (http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro.shtml); or • Send an e-mail to rule-comments*sec.gov. Please include File Number SR-NASD-2006-029 on the subject line. • Paper Comments: Send paper comments in triplicate to Nancy M. Morris, Secretary, Securities and Exchange Commission, 100 F Street, NE, Washington, DC 20549-1090. • All submissions should refer to File Number SR-NASD-2006-029. This file number should be included on the subject line if e-mail is used. To help the Commission process and review your comments more efficiently, please use only one method. The Commission will post all comments on the Commission’s Internet Web site (http://www.sec.gov/rules/sro.shtml). Copies of the submission, all subsequent amendments, all written statements with respect to the 7 8 proposed rule change that are filed with the Commission, and all written communications relating to the proposed rule change between the Commission and any person, other than those that may be withheld from the public in accordance with the provisions of 5 U.S.C. 552, will be available for inspection and copying in the Commission’s Public Reference Room. Copies of the filing also will be available for inspection and copying at the principal office of NASD. All comments received will be posted without change; the Commission does not edit personal identifying information from submissions. You should submit only information that you wish to make available publicly. All submissions should refer to the File Number SR-NASD-2006-029 and should be submitted on or before [insert date 21 days from publication in the Federal Register]. For the Commission, by the Division of Market Regulation, pursuant to delegated authority.20 Nancy M. Morris Secretary
Posted by dog on :
I don't think we all labeled that guy as a basher. He didn't present DD... he came with his opinion "supported by 3 other people from other boards."
That is what is being questioned.
We try to confirm it ourselves here on Allstocks before it is labeled fact.
We haven't seen real bashers for weeks here. They do not survive.. and it is due to the discourse, not labeling them as bashers, that deters their presence here.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I agree dog. I didn't label him as a basher either.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: If this falls through...i guess I am a dumbaZZ...oh well I have been called worse things...
I don't have to fall through... Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: speaking of mm's today I think this is the most mm's we've had trading us I think there are like 48 mm's on us now.
I was thinking the same thing. There are so many and many new ones.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Bite me....
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: If this falls through...i guess I am a dumbaZZ...oh well I have been called worse things...
I don't have to fall through...
Posted by 10of13 on :
OK..guys...I placed an order at 2.05...and I just went to change the order and it was already filled...at 11:24? When did it drop that low?
Buy 10/13/06 10:55:03 AM EDT 11:24:59 AM EDT 1,050 CSHD Stock (US) CONVERSION SLTNS HLDGS CP 2.05000 $2.05 USD $2,157.50
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
From HSM:
Actually, Rufus was incorrect - I will lay it out again - so that all can see for themselves that the due date is today. If it worries you or does not worry you that the CEO did not know this, that is for each shareholder to decide - especially since we are nearing the bell.
Period Ended 10-Q Filing Deadline 10-K Filing Deadline Tuesday, January 31, 2006 Friday, March 17, 2006 Monday, May 01, 2006 Tuesday, February 28, 2006 Friday, April 14, 2006 Tuesday, May 30, 2006 Friday, March 31, 2006 Monday, May 15, 2006 Thursday, June 29, 2006 Sunday, April 30, 2006 Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Monday, July 31, 2006 Wednesday, May 31, 2006 Monday, July 17, 2006 Tuesday, August 29, 2006 Friday, June 30, 2006 Monday, August 14, 2006 Thursday, September 28, 2006
As such, our original due date was September 28th, yet CSHD filed an extension.
Part II - B reads and I quote "The subject annual report, semi-annual report..... will be filed on or before the 15th calendar day following the prescribed due date"
CSHD prescribed due date was September 28 - see above. So the new due date for the 10K is 15 days from September 28 - which is today.
Does anyone care to disagree?
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I agree dog. I didn't label him as a basher either.
I DID!!!!
Just kiddin'.. Never read a single post that called him that....Annnnd If He is tha damn sensetive......F um!!! ( kidding again)....NOT!!! HAAAAAA hahahahahah
Posted by RichBy26 on :
OK, bottom line is none of us are selling today so lets just drop this and see what happens...5 stars for me!!! Posted by maumee river rat on :
just kidding .....really...
Posted by Doniboy on :
Hey guys, back from lunch. Looks like we have serious support at the $2.20 range.
By the way, is today or Monday the real deadline for the 10K?? Just kidding.....
Posted by portman on :
Here ia my 10K theory...
Expect it when you see it...Not before...
Anyone tired of me saying it yet? lol
Good Day all.
- No certs Requested - On the list - No streamer quotes on - Curveball rules...but I can't play at work! - Not gonna sell any time soon.
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: OK..guys...I placed an order at 2.05...and I just went to change the order and it was already filled...at 11:24? When did it drop that low?
Buy 10/13/06 10:55:03 AM EDT 11:24:59 AM EDT 1,050 CSHD Stock (US) CONVERSION SLTNS HLDGS CP 2.05000 $2.05 USD $2,157.50
Man - that was one lucky pick - I've got one drop on my scottrader showing it down from 2.25 to 2.05 then right back up to 2.24 at 11:24 - lucky grab.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: From HSM:
Actually, Rufus was incorrect - I will lay it out again - so that all can see for themselves that the due date is today. If it worries you or does not worry you that the CEO did not know this, that is for each shareholder to decide - especially since we are nearing the bell.
Period Ended 10-Q Filing Deadline 10-K Filing Deadline Tuesday, January 31, 2006 Friday, March 17, 2006 Monday, May 01, 2006 Tuesday, February 28, 2006 Friday, April 14, 2006 Tuesday, May 30, 2006 Friday, March 31, 2006 Monday, May 15, 2006 Thursday, June 29, 2006 Sunday, April 30, 2006 Wednesday, June 14, 2006 Monday, July 31, 2006 Wednesday, May 31, 2006 Monday, July 17, 2006 Tuesday, August 29, 2006 Friday, June 30, 2006 Monday, August 14, 2006 Thursday, September 28, 2006
As such, our original due date was September 28th, yet CSHD filed an extension.
Part II - B reads and I quote "The subject annual report, semi-annual report..... will be filed on or before the 15th calendar day following the prescribed due date"
CSHD prescribed due date was September 28 - see above. So the new due date for the 10K is 15 days from September 28 - which is today.
Does anyone care to disagree?
Sounds logical......
Bet we see it 5pm today. He gave shorty every chance to cover.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well it could be filed today correct and not show up until monday?
Posted by 10of13 on :
When you brought this up? I think that it was my BUY...not a sell..I find that odd...because the pPS was at about 2.25/2.27 at the time... Oh well I guess I just got a bargin....
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by Vin: How big were those 2.05 sells?
1050 and 300
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Halted? 7 min and nothing that's got to be a recent record
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I haven't noticed any movement on the l2's forget about an actual transaction
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:Originally posted by Dog: Sounds logical......
Bet we see it 5pm today. He gave shorty every chance to cover.
They were warned...they are doomed. And on Friday the 13th, nothing will save them.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: OK..guys...I placed an order at 2.05...and I just went to change the order and it was already filled...at 11:24? When did it drop that low?
Buy 10/13/06 10:55:03 AM EDT 11:24:59 AM EDT 1,050 CSHD Stock (US) CONVERSION SLTNS HLDGS CP 2.05000 $2.05 USD $2,157.50
Yea 10 that was you!!! They showed as a sell on the L2. Good for you though!!
Posted by 6digits on :
Good morning, I say, since i'm in California vacationing and it's only 10 am. I have been with this stock since the beginning of July. What a wild emotional ride it's been. Maybe a lot of it is reading ihub and all the negative stuff that comes up over there. You guys are doing a good job over here. At least most of you are pro CSHD, which would appear to be a profitable decision. Thats one thing the bashers can't claim is that they have or will make any money on this stock. Since it's such a scam and all. Ya right. They probably won't tell us if they do. It's good to be coming up to the next step in this companies growth plan. We have all been waiting for what seems like forever to me.
Posted by a surfer on :
What is there another runor now?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
a bunch of mirror trades. You think people are getting nervous now?
Posted by betting babe on :
digi! Posted by dog on :
Nah... they are walking it down... yesterday we at least had volume.
Posted by betting babe on :
digi you found yourself on the list and all rite? i figured you were one that was listed 20 times or somethin Posted by RyanPBF on :
you know I think if they released any kind of pr this thing is wound so tight it would explode. We'd just like to update shareholders that Rufus just blew his nose and everything seems to be fine. Bang we'd go up like .30 j/k Posted by $$$bill on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: you know I think if they released any kind of pr this thing is wound so tight it would explode. We'd just like to update shareholders that Rufus just blew his nose and everything things to be fine. Bang we'd go up like .30 j/k
LMAO
Posted by Doniboy on :
I'd throw money at a good Rufus nose blow..... Clears the mind, prepares for a run...Yup a good nose blow PR is what we need now Posted by 10of13 on :
I've been reading your posts over there 6digits...not sure how you can handle that BS all of the time...glad you posted here to show that you were still OK...LOL
Hey BB...did you get your pup yet? I posted a pic of mine in my profile...and he's still growing...9 months and 115 pounds...but a cuddle bug!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Hey 10 I know we talked about dogs before. He really does look like a Newfie in the face same head too. Nice dog Posted by 10of13 on :
Yeah Ryan...He has a look of a Newf...he's also a water dog...BUT he doesn't drool...soo sooo nice!
Posted by betting babe on :
10 - i get him SUNDAY! im so excited, he's such a lil punkin!
8 weeks old and about 3 inches now (prob 4 withhis tail stickin out like that LOL)
that's not a dog babe that's a mouse Posted by dog on :
BB... you getting a rat?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Babe that pic with the pumpkin is just too cute! what a doll! And Sunday?...well guys BB will be unavailable next week do to her new arrival...LOL
Posted by RyanPBF on :
you know I really would like to see a little more urgency today. It doesn't seem like there's any either there are not that many shorts everyone that wants to be in is in, or the mm's just don't believe
Posted by Chartwalker on :
If a filing due date falls on a weekend or SEC holiday, the filing is due on the following business day.
FWIW ~
But, did the date fall on a weekend? (just got back from lunch) What did we come up with?...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: you know I really would like to see a little more urgency today. It doesn't seem like there's any either there are not that many shorts everyone that wants to be in is in, or the mm's just don't believe
thats why i said we wont see a 10K today, the MM's know it
Posted by betting babe on :
heah, no we already have plenty of them in the city CRab
10 he's gorgeous. bigger than u, but gorgeous. who walks whom? heah.
you'd think Rufus would release a 10k on a Friday if it really was as killer as he says, to get the hype and the DD goin over the weekend...
and im working most of next week, so...
today please!
quote:Originally posted by dog: BB... you getting a rat?
Posted by 6digits on :
bettie Babe! Hi! Yes i'm on the list, but they only mentioned me one time. I guess that will be enough. Definitely better than none. I'm encouraged.
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: digi you found yourself on the list and all rite? i figured you were one that was listed 20 times or somethin
Posted by RyanPBF on :
today is the 15th day without any grace period.
Posted by SherriT on :
If I were Rufus, I would interpret the deadline to be today, however, I think it really just doesn't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things. What is one more day when we've waited this long....reset, get your Assets movin!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: today is the 15th day without any grace period.
So it would have to be filed by 5 pm to be on time?
But would show up on Monday first??????????
Posted by RyanPBF on :
arca hasn't budged from that 2.12 bid for a long time. Usually their jumping all over the place but they haven't raised their bid for quite awhile
Posted by a surfer on :
BB do you need to feed your dog with a syringe?
sure is cute!
Posted by betting babe on :
soon you can buy your own hotel california!
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: bettie Babe! Hi! Yes i'm on the list, but they only mentioned me one time. I guess that will be enough. Definitely better than none. I'm encouraged.
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: digi you found yourself on the list and all rite? i figured you were one that was listed 20 times or somethin
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
Should we call and let them know? Is it possible that they assumed or got confused?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I stocktrader22 posted he spoke with someone at edgars or the sec saying they have the one day grace period but that means saturday they can file electronically not monday. Don't quote me I think someone posted that.
Posted by 6digits on :
Babe, thats about the cutest little pup I have ever seen. It will go well with you. I don't need to mention that you have to be careful not to step on it.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Does anyone have SOLID answers?...
Posted by P Rowds on :
soooo... good job on the calls and getting through... but, has anyone asked sandra when the reset will take place? the next trading day? a halt mid-day then straight to 15? will there be a halt for a few days then open? if someone could, call her and ask that... i'm more interested in that than which day is the "correct" filing date...
Posted by NEL on :
Wow, volume is still pretty low.. guess everyone is waiting for the big moment!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer: Should we call and let them know? Is it possible that they assumed or got confused?
I just left Sabre a message.. voiced our concerns.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Good job Surfer...maybe they will pr something...
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer: Should we call and let them know? Is it possible that they assumed or got confused?
I just left Sabre a message.. voiced our concerns.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer: Should we call and let them know? Is it possible that they assumed or got confused?
I just left Sabre a message.. voiced our concerns.
-I'd KEEP calling....
Posted by 6digits on :
Babe I think i'm done with California for now. I checked in here a long time ago, but I finally left. It's very crowded. My agenda calls for a specific geographic. So right now i'll settle for building up my 4 acres in Iowa. No rules just right.
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: soon you can buy your own hotel california!
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: bettie Babe! Hi! Yes i'm on the list, but they only mentioned me one time. I guess that will be enough. Definitely better than none. I'm encouraged.
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: digi you found yourself on the list and all rite? i figured you were one that was listed 20 times or somethin
Posted by a surfer on :
let her fly!!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer: Should we call and let them know? Is it possible that they assumed or got confused?
I just left Sabre a message.. voiced our concerns.
-I'd KEEP calling....
Chart I just tried back. Keep getting voicemail.
Should I see if mitch is *
Posted by Chartwalker on :
we NEED to know... IMO (!!!)
Posted by P Rowds on :
quote:Originally posted by P Rowds: soooo... good job on the calls and getting through... but, has anyone asked sandra when the reset will take place? the next trading day? a halt mid-day then straight to 15? will there be a halt for a few days then open? if someone could, call her and ask that... i'm more interested in that than which day is the "correct" filing date...
bump... and whoever is calling ask about the reset... thanks in advance
Posted by cassity on :
Surfer, I think you and I were the only one's that read Rufus's post last night. Let's see he said that lot's of people were lying! He also said EVERYTHING is just fine and ON time. I'm sure that someone in the company is aware of the deadline! LOL People chill! It's coming, soon baby..SOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Even if it is today...there is the 24 hour grace period...IF this is the real thing? Rufus didn't come this far to let it fail!
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: we NEED to know... IMO (!!!)
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Nite's been jumping on top of the bid and raising also
Posted by Doniboy on :
Moving back up...doesn't look like my $2.08 will take...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Surfer, I think you and I were the only one's that read Rufus's post last night. Let's see he said that lot's of people were lying! He also said EVERYTHING is just fine and ON time. I'm sure that someone in the company is aware of the deadline! LOL People chill! It's coming, soon baby..SOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yea I am not really worried by any means but a clarification first hand for the board would be nice.
Saying this however The Doc. and Ryan have spoken to Sabre and I trust their input.
I did also leave a message for Mitch. LOL
Posted by betting babe on :
wheeeeeee
*trip*
Posted by RyanPBF on :
surf Matt spoke to her I haven't.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Surfer, I think you and I were the only one's that read Rufus's post last night. Let's see he said that lot's of people were lying! He also said EVERYTHING is just fine and ON time. I'm sure that someone in the company is aware of the deadline! LOL People chill! It's coming, soon baby..SOOOOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Still would like to SEE something in BLACK and WHITE.
-a deadline is a deadline....
If it does fall on today, then what time does Rufus have to file it? -it's after hours sometime isn't it?..
If that's the case Rufus is sure asking alot IMO...
.... but suddenly our PPS is rising... -and the bid following.
curious ~
Posted by 6digits on :
10 I went to there after I was booted from AS for telling Purl Gurl what my opinion is when she raided the NDOL thread. Now she is in jail over there. Must be something about the Karma she always talked about, I don't know. But ya it takes neves of steel to get hammered that way everyday. There is a lot of ignore button pressing going on too!
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I've been reading your posts over there 6digits...not sure how you can handle that BS all of the time...glad you posted here to show that you were still OK...LOL
Hey BB...did you get your pup yet? I posted a pic of mine in my profile...and he's still growing...9 months and 115 pounds...but a cuddle bug!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: surf Matt spoke to her I haven't.
woops. Yea doc and matt. LOL
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I've been watching the l2's pretty close chart no drastic movement but there's some action that seemed odd to me.
Posted by betting babe on :
but... but... but... if we invite you back? and say please? maybe ud stick around a lil more?
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: 10 I went to there after I was booted from AS for telling Purl Gurl what my opinion is when she raided the NDOL thread. Now she is in jail over there. Must be something about the Karma she always talked about, I don't know. But ya it takes neves of steel to get hammered that way everyday. There is a lot of ignore button pressing going on too!
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I've been reading your posts over there 6digits...not sure how you can handle that BS all of the time...glad you posted here to show that you were still OK...LOL
Hey BB...did you get your pup yet? I posted a pic of mine in my profile...and he's still growing...9 months and 115 pounds...but a cuddle bug!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
As much as I love, live and breath stocks, when this is over I'm taking a day off! Posted by a surfer on :
Has anyone bought shares today other than 10's lucky grab? Are they filling right away is my question?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
can't help you out there surf TDA Posted by Doniboy on :
When this is over w will need you to read charts on the next big play. Sorry, request for day off...DENIED...
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: As much as I love, live and breath stocks, when this is over I'm taking a day off!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Yes 6digits...Purl is gone from here...stay here and play with us...it will be much nicer for yah!
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: but... but... but... if we invite you back? and say please? maybe ud stick around a lil more?
quote:Originally posted by 6digits: 10 I went to there after I was booted from AS for telling Purl Gurl what my opinion is when she raided the NDOL thread. Now she is in jail over there. Must be something about the Karma she always talked about, I don't know. But ya it takes neves of steel to get hammered that way everyday. There is a lot of ignore button pressing going on too!
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I've been reading your posts over there 6digits...not sure how you can handle that BS all of the time...glad you posted here to show that you were still OK...LOL
Hey BB...did you get your pup yet? I posted a pic of mine in my profile...and he's still growing...9 months and 115 pounds...but a cuddle bug!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Lmao Doniboy...
How's mumma and babe? Posted by Doniboy on :
They are taking their first trip to the pediatrician today. It's been cool Posted by RyanPBF on :
I think NITE was jumping over everyone on the bid earlier so he could gain control and bring this down by locking up the bid and ask.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Doni? what is your daughters name?
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: They are taking their first trip to the pediatrician today. It's been cool
Posted by Doniboy on :
Look how it starts dropping three cents a trade..LOL..Manipulation?
Posted by a surfer on :
boy we need some new money in this for volume.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I think if you can keep NITE off the bid then it might go up. If not I believe he'll try and tank it. I could be way off who really knows anything anymore. We can't even agree on how many days 15 days is j/k Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Doni? what is your daughters name?
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: They are taking their first trip to the pediatrician today. It's been cool
--yeah,... We want to make sure she's "On the List!" Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I think if you can keep NITE off the bid then it might go up. If not I believe he'll try and tank it. I could be way off who really knows anything anymore. We can't even agree on how many days 15 days is j/k
I went and looked up those dates again, it does come out to TODAY... FYI
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I bet if Nite regains control of the bid they'll take us down again.
Posted by Doniboy on :
Her name is Emily Elizabeth...
And she's not on the list. Though I am, even though I bought and sold a few times since then...
I figure that I have nothing to worry about. If Scottrade gives me the shares then its their problem to come up with the shares, not mine.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
we're down one MM from earlier I don't know who but we have 47 mm's now instead of 48
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Prescribed due date was September 28.
So the new due date for the 10K is 15 days from September 28 - which is today.
Hence, my concern...
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I think if you can keep NITE off the bid then it might go up. If not I believe he'll try and tank it. I could be way off who really knows anything anymore. We can't even agree on how many days 15 days is j/k
I went and looked up those dates again, it does come out to TODAY... FYI
Are you sure chart?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I agree.
Posted by 6digits on :
Ya OK. I'll spend more time here, but not neccessarily posting. I'm more of a laker or I mean a lurker. Ha Haaaaaaaaa. Thanks for the invite.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I've been reading your posts over there 6digits...not sure how you can handle that BS all of the time...glad you posted here to show that you were still OK...LOL
Hey BB...did you get your pup yet? I posted a pic of mine in my profile...and he's still growing...9 months and 115 pounds...but a cuddle bug!
Is your dog a Newfie?
Posted by dog on :
Chart... are you really that concerned?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
New2...
It would appear that way... The date WAS the 28th..
Count them out on a calendar.
What's in question would be grace days, but why would Rufus even use those? ""IF"" it is indeed today, then why wait till after hours?
I'm just not seeing what picture he could be painting by doing so....
Posted by SherriT on :
After hours - just like he did the 8K....IMHO
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Chart... are you really that concerned?
well.....................
Posted by RyanPBF on :
getting there?
I also don't like Nite stopping everything at 2.18 about 11000 shares were bought at 2.18 and Nite never budged
Posted by Doniboy on :
I heard that since it was filed on the 29th the extension....Oh well you guys know the deal...
Posted by dog on :
y'all need some buying pressure?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
what's that dog. Haven't seen any of that in quite awhile. Like I said no urgency to get in this. Before the "one fell swoop"
Posted by 10of13 on :
New 2 he's a Leonberger, a rare breed. I have both a female and a male...they are great dogs... did you see the pic of him in my profile? We are both sitting on the floor...He'll be about 150-170 lbs when full grown...his paw will be about the size of BB's pup...LOL...so i guess no play dates for our dogs huh BB?
Posted by thedoctor on :
I probaly should post this one more time. I have absolutely no reason to feel that an Officer in the company would lie. Sabra stated to me, without question; that the 10K would be out Monday. She didn't say by Monday, she said on Monday. I believe that she would know. I think it is important to trust the word of a company officer if we are going to hold that stock. If anyone doubts her, simply give her a call. I gave her number out a few pages ago. She will impress any of you that she talks to. She even asked for permission from the company lawyer to tell me when on Monday. They said it would be illegal to give out that information.It appears to me that they have a specific plan that they are going to follow to a tee. I think its going to be Bamm, bamm, bamm. She said that we would all be extremely happy on Monday. I know that most of us are here for the run. I only wish some would stop the worrying. I know its only normal to worry when our money is invested, but hold on and trust these company officers. They seem very good. I think evryone should have a great weekend in anticipation of a great day on Monday.
Posted by wallymac on :
From the 10KNT:
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. -------------------------------------------------------------- (Name of Registrant as Specified in Charter)
has caused this notification to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
Dated: September 29, 2006
By/s/Rufus Paul Harris Rufus Paul Harris Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
from the SEC Filing calender website: If a filing due date falls on a weekend or SEC holiday, the filing is due on the following business day.
Posted by Doniboy on :
I have never cared so much about a 10K in my life....
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: New 2 he's a Leonberger, a rare breed. I have both a female and a male...they are great dogs... did you see the pic of him in my profile? We are both sitting on the floor...He'll be about 150-170 lbs when full grown...his paw will be about the size of BB's pup...LOL...so i guess no play dates for our dogs huh BB?
yes 10 I saw that pic,....I'd post one of me and my dog, but I can't figure out how to do it..lol
Posted by Chartwalker on :
has caused this notification to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
Dated: September 29, 2006
By/s/Rufus Paul Harris Rufus Paul Harris Chairman and Chief Executive Officer ==============================================
It was the 29TH!! 15 days lands it on a Saturday which means MONDAY!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
It could be out to the public monday but might have to be filed before that doc. At least that's what some people are thinking I believe
Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Doc...but you gotta admit...it's hard not to be concerned...LOL As Portman said..be comfortable with the position you have or get the he ll out...but I think he said it nicer... go off and start your weekend everyone...no reason to sit and bite your nails...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Wally beat me too it ~ Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: It could be out to the public monday but might have to be filed before that doc. At least that's what some people are thinking I believe
I agree with you Ryan, but Sabra seemed to know exactly when it would be out (Monday). I am not sure about whether it will be filed. Maybe today, but we won't hear about it till then.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Whew ~
Talk about instant relief!!! LOL ~ Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Thanks Doc...but you gotta admit...it's hard not to be concerned...LOL As Portman said..be comfortable with the position you have or get the he ll out...but I think he said it nicer... go off and start your weekend everyone...no reason to sit and bite your nails...
Amen
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: It could be out to the public monday but might have to be filed before that doc. At least that's what some people are thinking I believe
I agree with you Ryan, but Sabra seemed to know exactly when it would be out (Monday). I am not sure about whether it will be filed. Maybe today, but we won't hear about it till then.
According to the SEC filing, looks like Monday is right doc!
Posted by cassity on :
You want a 10k.....ok here ya go!
KKKKKKKKKK...... Posted by RyanPBF on :
You know if this all comes to fruition before I shake Rufus's hand I might have to smack him upside his head for putting us through this. Then after I pick him up I'll shake his hand and thank him profusely j/k Rufus
Posted by a surfer on :
O.K. Folks Just got a call back from Sabre Dabbs.
WOW. She is energetic. I told her our concerns about the timeline and she said she is fully aware of everything that is being posted on all the boards. They have received several calls to put it mildly.
She repeated several times that they will be compliant!
She said she checked out Allstocks last night for the first time.
She also stated that they are returning phone calls to everyone that has called them.
When I said have a great weekend and thank you for your hard work and time she said You have a great weekend too and Mon will be Awesome!!!
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: O.K. Folks Just got a call back from Sabre Dabbs.
WOW. She is energetic. I told her our concerns about the timeline and she said she is fully aware of everything that is being posted on all the boards. They have received several calls to put it mildly.
She repeated several times that they will be compliant!
She said she checked out Allstocks last night for the first time.
She also stated that they are returning phone calls to everyone that has called them.
When I said have a great weekend and thank you for your hard work and time she said You have a great weekend too and Mon will be Awesome!!!
Excellent surf! Thanks for calling and posting that! I think we can pretty much turn off the tickers today...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Wow thx surfer!
"I feel all warm and fuzzy inside again" ~~ Posted by RyanPBF on :
just do a shot? Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: O.K. Folks Just got a call back from Sabre Dabbs.
WOW. She is energetic. I told her our concerns about the timeline and she said she is fully aware of everything that is being posted on all the boards. They have received several calls to put it mildly.
She repeated several times that they will be compliant!
She said she checked out Allstocks last night for the first time.
She also stated that they are returning phone calls to everyone that has called them.
When I said have a great weekend and thank you for your hard work and time she said You have a great weekend too and Mon will be Awesome!!!
You da man surf............whahoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Thanks BUDDY! Posted by betting babe on :
crikies! my lil guy aint gettin bigger than my foot! but he can ride on the back of yours
so, no placating - patronizing words from Tut?
...and silence fell across the land...
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: so i guess no play dates for our dogs huh BB?
Posted by dog on :
Buy of 2k filled instantaneously
Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Surf!!!!
C'mon guys... breath..and "Buy the crap out of it!"
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Thanks Surf!!!!
C'mon guys... breath..and "Buy the crap out of it!"
That's the spirit!!
All green flags again now!!! Posted by betting babe on :
well if its coming out monday shouldnt there be more covering today?
and btw... rufus knows how to use these boards to his advantage.
so before ya go turning off those tickers, remember that they know what "they say" will end up out here.
so maybe they mean what they say but dont say what they mean?
~BB
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I am sooo concerned... that I am going not to watch anymore. Nothing has changed, except some are trying to get investors nervous, and by reading the past couple of pages... it is working. People are way out of control in here. It's today, it's tomorrow, it's yesterday!
As I have said before "listen" to the source of your information. Do they have an agenda? I don't care if it is an officer of the company, or your best friend at this point.
Next ask yourself what are the results if the information is real of false? If they are late, which still maintains to be Tuesday (hard deadline) then they are delinquent. If they are not then we have a 10-K. This is still a long play for many of us. Let Rufas drive the boat. If you contact him and find some information that will comfort you through the weekend then so be it. If you wish to share that info... Great! Personally, I think I will read about it tomorrow. This thing seems to be in good hands for the time being. Bye I am taking this crazy afternoon off.
GLTA TB Posted by djg7 on :
We are starting another soap opera on the IFQJ board. It's hillarious.
Hope we are all green here on Monday. I don't expect 10K today and Monday will be just fine. GLTA
IFQJ
Bid .0015
Ask .01
MMs confused. Help!
LMAO
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: O.K. Folks Just got a call back from Sabre Dabbs.
WOW. She is energetic. I told her our concerns about the timeline and she said she is fully aware of everything that is being posted on all the boards. They have received several calls to put it mildly.
She repeated several times that they will be compliant!
She said she checked out Allstocks last night for the first time.
She also stated that they are returning phone calls to everyone that has called them.
When I said have a great weekend and thank you for your hard work and time she said You have a great weekend too and Mon will be Awesome!!!
Were you as impressed as I was ?
Posted by wallymac on :
Betting Babe and everyone else who helped find the info I was looking for: THANK YOU. I will add this that wasn't reposted earlier and was very important.
EDIT : Here are two significant paragraphs. Did someone post this site before? It looks familiar to me now
Tax Implications & Initial Share Price
Almost all Reverse Mergers take advantage of the tax free, stock-for-stock reorganization provision of the Internal Revenue code. Capital gains tax is paid when the individual shareholder sells the stock in the public stock market (usually after the minimum one year holding period for control persons). That is, the shareholders of the newly merged company do not recognize a capital gain until after they sell the stock, even though the stock may have a much greater value after the merger is complete. The timing of the stock sales can be determined by each individual investor to suit their investment or tax consequences.
Once a Reverse Merger is completed, a broker/dealer must decide to make a public market in the stock. The market makers, in conjunction with the company, can determine the initial price for the stock. Perceived value, track record and potential growth of the company usually have more to do with initial pricing than earnings multiples and current book values. Competent investor relations and supportive market makers as well as management's ability to relate the company's potential to investors are of key importance. Ultimately, the public market acceptance of the company will determine the market price for the stock.
GLTA Wally
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well guys I'll catch up with you in a little while.
Posted by a surfer on :
Another thing she said was don't listen to any ****s etc.
I also asked her about the reset and if we could expect it after the release of the 10k. She said she couldn't tell me that but its all covered in the 10k.
I literally tried to get off the phone with her twice and she kept talking.
Also told her I had reviewed the GSCCCA>org site too.
Posted by Jenna on :
I said this before- this is my theory may be crazy but what do you think?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Everyone chill!!! Rufus knows what he is doing!! I'm pretty sure he knows when the deadline is.
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!!
Call me crazy but that's what I beleive & that's why I think Ruf, Sab, & Ben have all said to people that we are going to be REALLY happy!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Chart~ Here's a picture of my dog! lol
Posted by dog on :
all my 2.17 orders filled ...and quick
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I said this before- this is my theory may be crazy but what do you think?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Everyone chill!!! Rufus knows what he is doing!! I'm pretty sure he knows when the deadline is.
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!!
Call me crazy but that's what I beleive & that's why I think Ruf, Sab, & Ben have all said to people that we are going to be REALLY happy!
That wouldn't be a 1-2-3 punch...that would be a total Andre the Giant "Body-Slam"
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..new2? the link worked?
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: we NEED to know... IMO (!!!)
Hey guys...a little tip...when you call, if you get voicemail, wait for the instructions at the end of the recording. I believe you hit "0" (zero) and it will take you back to the operator. I just keep hitting zero until I get either Mitch or Sabra. There is more than one operator, so you won't be driving the same person crazy. Posted by Jenna on :
Your funnY stock!!! How's your flux capacitor?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Chart~ Here's a picture of my dog! lol
OMG! Now that's funny!!
Triumph!!! -- the Insult comic dog!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Your funnY stock!!! How's your flux capacitor?
Is it taking you back to the future!?!
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Your funnY stock!!! How's your flux capacitor?
Useless without 1.21 Gigawatts....lol
Posted by a surfer on :
770-420-8270 ext. 2385 Sabre ext. 2382 mitch
Posted by betting babe on :
eh? volume wha?
huh?
Posted by dog on :
I finally bought at a bottom!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Your funnY stock!!! How's your flux capacitor?
Useless without 1.21 Gigawatts....lol
I heard you can get that at clock in the middle of town during a lightning storm!
Posted by a surfer on :
whats the guess for the last 54 min.
Posted by cassity on :
From the TUTMEISTER:
Today, 02:58 PM #7966 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 264 Alright everyone listen carefully. You are at the very gates now. I just finished talking with Sabra Dabbs and she said she checked everything and she realizes all your concerns and even welcomes anyones calls, but I am saying don't everyone call because she can't keep up with the calls. They have a lot to do. Let them do it. She said and I quote: "There is no need to worry we will be compliant." She also said and I am probably not quoting this directly, "Watch out Wall Street, we will rock Wall Street and the world". It was actually a nice long conversation and in closing she said "have a good weekend and we will have a very good Monday". She did say that they checked everything out and they know everyones concerns here but they "will be compliant" and I have to say I believe her. She was very positive, sincerem, and very happy to speak to me and she thanks every one of you for being supportive of the company and every shareholder will be very happy. So I say, sit back and relax and get ready for the gates of victory.
The following I posted yesterday and I mean it more than ever.
While we are waiting I want to remind you all that we have come through a long and tough battle but don't lose sight of the big picture here. Remember that with this company's plans your lives could change in such a way as you may have only dreamed of. This is your one big chance to really choose your own destiny. I know you have all been on an emotional rollercoaster ride. Stop fighting amongst yourselves and if the bashers step in do like you did before, ignore them. This is your victory that is about to be complete and don't let anyone deter you from that path.
You are either with or you are without. Those that stand before me will live and those that stand with their backs to me shall perish.
The Phoenix will take you through the gates of victory and show you the world that is yours.
موقف قوي. النصر لن يكون لك. والعدو لن انحني اجلالا لك في الاستسلام. الله يكون معك
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: I finally bought at a bottom!
Congrad's dog... -that's not easy! Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
Is it showtime for the run-up?
Posted by betting babe on :
ok everybody.
7th inning stretch.
get those wings and legs movin. let's get some volume going here!!!
YAY RAH RAH 10K!
~BB
Posted by dog on :
or not....
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: O.K. Folks Just got a call back from Sabre Dabbs.
WOW. She is energetic. I told her our concerns about the timeline and she said she is fully aware of everything that is being posted on all the boards. They have received several calls to put it mildly.
She repeated several times that they will be compliant!
She said she checked out Allstocks last night for the first time.
She also stated that they are returning phone calls to everyone that has called them.
When I said have a great weekend and thank you for your hard work and time she said You have a great weekend too and Mon will be Awesome!!!
Were you as impressed as I was ?
OK...I deserve a Bump for that one...I turned her on to our litle family on Allstocks.
and yes, I was completely impressed and energized by Sabra. Mitch is great also. If I lived in Georgia, I would submit my resume in a heartbeat. What a great group to work for... Posted by dog on :
guess it wasn't bottom...heh
Posted by dog on :
Get out of there ARCA!
Posted by Jenna on :
You ROCK St. Matt!
Posted by dog on :
That's it...I'm done buying. I mean it this time.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I don't get this myself dog.....
weird is the norm....
bid and ask the same, and no market orders going through?...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
5 stars St.Matt for going above and beyond the calling of duty [salute!]
Posted by Jenna on :
Any of you guys remember that 80's movie. I think it was called "Meatballs" with Bill Murray.
The kids at the camp keept shouting in unison...
"It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter!"
Thought that was appropriate right about now!
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I don't get this myself dog.....
weird is the norm....
bid and ask the same, and no market orders going through?...
That's the kind of chit I'm talking about... drives me nuts. Cuz it don't make no sense.....
Posted by a surfer on :
jeez sounds like tut quoted me.. LOL
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
Well, I've got my popcorn and soda along with my 10-K, I mean, 3-D glasses. Let's get the show on the road! Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Any of you guys remember that 80's movie. I think it was called "Meatballs" with Bill Murray.
The kids at the camp keept shouting in unison...
"It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter!"
Thought that was appropriate right about now!
I promise when this is over to help you get the help you need Jenna ~ LOL ~~ Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: ok everybody.
7th inning stretch.
get those wings and legs movin. let's get some volume going here!!!
YAY RAH RAH 10K!
~BB
Babe,
For someone who offers great DD, beautiful looks, and a charming personality...I think my favorite thing about you is the little moving cartoons you place out here. They sort of sum up the mood at the moment.
Posted by Jenna on :
Guys, I think this is going to Nasdaq on Monday & shooting to $30!!!! Just a HUNCH!
Posted by 10of13 on :
I must say...I am very impressed with the way that the PPS has held up...with all the deadline questions and all...VERY NICE HOLD!!!
Lookin' forward to Monday...!!!
BB...that chicken is pathetic...LOL! Posted by MTPromises on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: jeez sounds like tut quoted me.. LOL
that's what I was thinking when I read the tut post - nice work, surfer . . . see, Allstocks is the premier board
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: 5 stars St.Matt for going above and beyond the calling of duty [salute!]
Thanks Chartman...I knew I could count on you brother. Posted by cassity on :
People have 40mins to get their a$$e$ into this stock! GLTA
Posted by Chartwalker on :
St.Matt you are many things, and now after that last post to BB we can add azz kisser!!
LMAO!!
-but you're right, BB rocked Posted by Jenna on :
Chart - Do have Dr. Phil's #. I think I have cracked up!
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: we NEED to know... IMO (!!!)
Hey guys...a little tip...when you call, if you get voicemail, wait for the instructions at the end of the recording. I believe you hit "0" (zero) and it will take you back to the operator. I just keep hitting zero until I get either Mitch or Sabra. There is more than one operator, so you won't be driving the same person crazy.
You are sooo right. Thats how I got Sabra. I tried Ben and his number was answered by a recording and I kept pressing 0 and finally connected with Sabra. Good suggestion.
Posted by cassity on :
SURFER=TUT........hmmmmm. I cracked the case. Your busted surfer..LOL!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Chart - Do have Dr. Phil's #. I think I have cracked up!
Never mind I found it 1-800-got-cshd
Posted by 10of13 on :
Where the hell is glassman? Yoo hooo glasssss????
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Chart - Do have Dr. Phil's #. I think I have cracked up!
I AM Dr. Phil!! Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO!
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Chart - Do have Dr. Phil's #. I think I have cracked up!
Never mind I found it 1-800-got-cshd
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Any of you guys remember that 80's movie. I think it was called "Meatballs" with Bill Murray.
The kids at the camp keept shouting in unison...
"It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter! It just doesn't matter!"
Thought that was appropriate right about now!
I remember that Jenna!! That was a funny movie!
Posted by cassity on :
Hey 10, Glass was a paid pumper....don't ya know! LOL btw: glass please don't ban me. Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: SURFER=TUT........hmmmmm. I cracked the case. Your busted surfer..LOL!
Yea whats up dude I am the tutster... LOL
Posted by Chartwalker on :
EOD run to 2.34 Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: EOD run to 2.34
2.41 maybe more
Posted by dog on :
I'm thinking we open Monday with the biggest present anyone could ask for.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
ok, you win surfer! Posted by dog on :
Here we go.
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...no way I want that on the top of the page
Posted by cassity on :
Your either with or WITHOUT!!!! Muhahahhhhhh
-Copyright Tut, CSHD 2006.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Remember that MACD crossing the neutral line in a 5 min chart that I was talking about yesterday....
Well.... Posted by RyanPBF on :
52500 just went through at 2.15
Posted by a surfer on :
52500 yikes
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
what the heck was that? 52k shares at $2.15
Posted by Doniboy on :
52500 shares at $2.15???????????
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: 52500 shares at $2.15???????????
whoa! ca ching!
Posted by dog on :
They were holding that to drop EOD.....
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
was it a buy or sell? my system didn't relfect it.
Posted by a surfer on :
I bet that was a buy!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
someone just sold $125,000 worth?
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: 52500 yikes
Damn! it wasn't me this time!...
Posted by dog on :
We may see interesting book balancing and covering.... they gotta know they are running out of time... if it were me... I'd be buying now....
Posted by a surfer on :
earlier 10 of 13's order went through way below the bid and showed as a sell. This too. Its a buy!
Posted by 10of13 on :
My thoughts also!
quote:Originally posted by dog: They were holding that to drop EOD.....
Posted by a surfer on :
chart do you use 5 min. chart mostly or back and forth to 1 min.
Posted by dog on :
They will toss out a few anchors if this thing starts to move up... gotta slow momentum to stop it.
Posted by dog on :
See what NITE is doing... created a spread with itself.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: chart do you use 5 min. chart mostly or back and forth to 1 min.
5 min for the major trend of the MACD...
1min for exact but in and sells.... Posted by got2hvfaith on :
To all who aren't in this yet, the MM's are dropping it down for you to get in cheap. So get buying!! (Aren't those MM's nice?)
Posted by cassity on :
I hope NITE gets hit so hard in the pocket on this deal that they have a hard time staying in business. I know it won't happen, but a MAN can dream!
Posted by dog on :
mirror trades with itself... he could tell us anything he wants.... interesting
Posted by dog on :
Sooner or later... it's gonna give.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by got2hvfaith: To all who aren't in this yet, the MM's are dropping it down for you to get in cheap. So get buying!! (Aren't those MM's nice?)
What's up sis?
Posted by dog on :
Who would go into this weekend without buying a few of these shares... better than lotto.
Posted by dog on :
NITE will stay on top the BID.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well it "should" go up according to what I'm seeing... (!!!)
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I bet they could let this climb a 1.00 with no problem
Posted by a surfer on :
8 min. Come and get um
Posted by dog on :
If I had a hundred bucks.... I'd buy up to 5$.
Posted by betting babe on :
let's see another dime before close.
heck. let's see another dolla!
HOLLA FOR A DOLLA Y'ALLZ!
Posted by dog on :
Watch NITE get to top and create spread... then mirrors. Try to slow it down.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Here comes NITE trying to stall the PPS
Posted by RyanPBF on :
he's been doing this forever
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I do not like that NITE...
Posted by cassity on :
Wow what a surprise, NITE's criminal azz is on the bid and the ask again!
Posted by dog on :
Hit dat MOFO with a 10K Rufus!
Posted by a surfer on :
Nite is like a crackhead hooker
Posted by dog on :
NITE has been a pain in the keester to watch, doing this garbage... day-in and day-out.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Wow what a surprise, NITE's criminal azz is on the bid and the ask again!
Now why do you say that?
He's ONLY CONTROLLING the buying and selling!!!!!
SOB, POS!!! Posted by RyanPBF on :
the problem is no one will jump over him on the bid. There all content to just sit back and watch.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by got2hvfaith: To all who aren't in this yet, the MM's are dropping it down for you to get in cheap. So get buying!! (Aren't those MM's nice?)
What's up sis?
Man my own sister even has me on Iggy!LOL Monday, monday, monday! Whahoo Posted by dog on :
It's gonna pop...pressure building.
TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC TIC TOC
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
NITE will soon get a taste of Karma!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by got2hvfaith: To all who aren't in this yet, the MM's are dropping it down for you to get in cheap. So get buying!! (Aren't those MM's nice?)
What's up sis?
Man my own sister even has me on Iggy!LOL Monday, monday, monday! Whahoo
Can't blame her.....J/K Cassity we love you
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by got2hvfaith: To all who aren't in this yet, the MM's are dropping it down for you to get in cheap. So get buying!! (Aren't those MM's nice?)
What's up sis?
Man my own sister even has me on Iggy!LOL Monday, monday, monday! Whahoo
Sorry! HI!!
Posted by dog on :
Did you see that parting shot downtick? *&%^&%$(&^$^%*&
Posted by RyanPBF on :
there it is MFr's waited until 15:59:59 to down tick us. I hate hate hate these F'rs
Posted by cassity on :
Oh well, let's enjoy the weekend the best we can. Monday will be the end of this B/S. I'll see ya all over the weekend. Off to work. Later
Posted by Chartwalker on :
still ended in the green! Posted by dog on :
Enjoy yourself.... it's just as easy to think alls good than doubt this right now.... anyways, Sabra says we will have a great Monday. I think it means from morning on.
Posted by betting babe on :
PSYCH!
your playing time has expired. please try again monday Posted by maumee river rat on :
Walker!!!!
You out there????
WTF happened???
Any word on if they are gunna report today????
Talk to me.....
10!!!! You too....
any one- any-one???
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Well hopefully that is it !!!
Whats the point even trading on Monday?
I think we will see the bomb dropped before open Monday. Kick back, chill out this weekend, and remember if life changing events happen that day, just think how lucky you were to be in the right place at the right and pay that luck forward GLTA Chris Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
rat They urged that they WILL be compliant and that we would have a very good Monday. 10k out monday
Posted by cool AZ on :
just got my business done ... traveling today - LA and Burbank, San Diego tomorrow ...
you'all did good it looks like ... got back just in time to watch last half hr of mm bs ... love watching the L2's taken over by Nite ... what a hog! We'll soon leave him to play in the mud ... maybe quick sand! Good weekend all!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: O.K. Folks Just got a call back from Sabre Dabbs.
WOW. She is energetic. I told her our concerns about the timeline and she said she is fully aware of everything that is being posted on all the boards. They have received several calls to put it mildly.
She repeated several times that they will be compliant!
She said she checked out Allstocks last night for the first time.
She also stated that they are returning phone calls to everyone that has called them.
When I said have a great weekend and thank you for your hard work and time she said You have a great weekend too and Mon will be Awesome!!!
BUMP for RAT..
Have a great weekend all!!! Be safe
Posted by 6digits on :
I just picked up an extra 3800 shares at the close for good measure. I'll be baffled if we trade lower on Monday.
Posted by betting babe on :
so just to recap the week... in hindsight...
what was it that rufus was eluding to that was gonna rock our week?
seeing our names in print?
i shall have one hand above the "EASY" button on monday. and the other above the "sell"
~BB
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I don't think you'll be alone BB. I really won't trust it until it's out. I'm playing the gamble here
Posted by 10of13 on :
PPS held..no major dips... AND seems the 10K will be out monday... they said they will be compliant...but those are through phone calls...no PR... Breathe man...nothin' you can do right now... Come Monday you'll either be broke or rich... Hopin' for the rich thing...
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Walker!!!!
You out there????
WTF happened???
Any word on if they are gunna report today????
Talk to me.....
10!!!! You too....
any one- any-one???
Posted by 6digits on :
Babe , I wondered about that for days, still not sure, maybe it was. Can't think of anything else, i'll be disappointed if I do. I'm glad for this fairly solid pps that we have been experiencing.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: so just to recap the week... in hindsight...
what was it that rufus was eluding to that was gonna rock our week?
seeing our names in print?
i shall have one hand above the "EASY" button on monday. and the other above the "sell"
~BB
what do u mean
Posted by betting babe on :
true digi, holdin nicely! thats what keeps me holdin, no reason to sell.
Posted by lostone on :
does Tut still hold credibility among the majority of us? Not for me though.. I thought he was an insider.. his DD's so far are speculation, no matter how good, he never really provided links (at least i don't recall).. BB, Matt, Wally, and others are more reliable.. anyway, so i guess it's monday.. i've been thinking lately that i should have sold at least half position when it was near 4.. but o well.. might as well stay for the whole ride now.. I think i'm falling out of love with this one..
Posted by 10of13 on :
lostone...Tut=you=me=sameboat=holding breath=simple trader IMO
Posted by 6digits on :
Later Babe and beasts. JK Break time. Have a good weekend. GLTA on Monday and beyond.
Posted by betting babe on :
here's what i think of Tut...
insider? he knew to wait when the 10k extension came out, that the 8k was rite behind it. explain that?
i think that rufus & co were completely caught off guard when they heard 'tut' on the conference call. i think maybe it was one step too far for him to go, and i think he may have been told to cool it.
just my opinion, but rufus & co sounded really surprised - and there was a moment of silence - when they were introduced to 'tut' on the phone.
i dont think rufus likes anybody stealing his thunder.
~BB
Posted by betting babe on :
have a great weekend Digi!! Posted by Igor R on :
Been out all day, can anyone summarize the last 12 pages lol. I see theres no 10k yet, like i figured.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Thanks for the feedback10!!!!
I'm relaxwd.....lol
It is just a matter of not having enough hours in the day to get a grip on it all....
As far as gettin "RICH" on monday, welll,,,,that won't happen either way.. As I said before,,, I am no where near in this as heavy as many of you....heavy enough to mak a dent however...
Good luck and THANKS!!!
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
I just want to witness the thunder. But BB you are right about the cool it. His tone and content changed post interview. I was trying to decide if it was my perception of those or if they actually changed. I think they changed.
What didnt change is his take on the stock. Value his take or not.
Posted by betting babe on :
well i just got confirmed for my job in nowhereland PA sun/mon/tues.
so i dont expect to be here for the 10k
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
BB you ever do any shoots for Weiden+Kennedy?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: well i just got confirmed for my job in nowhereland PA sun/mon/tues.
so i dont expect to be here for the 10k
Now that's a gosh darn shame. You deserve to be here for that.
GLTA Wally
Posted by cool AZ on :
let's not kid ourselves, alot of us have been through alot with this play - out time is coming ... nothing fundamentally has changed except for getting better with time!
I'm sure Rufus & Co are anxious too .. got thinking how much he must like to see his stock bashed and dashed ...
... best not to get carried away with the highs and lows ... just keep the eye on the prize!
Posted by dog on :
FWIW.... from sumpti-gambar on HSM:
WOW, I SAID IT BEFORE AND I WILL SAY IT AGAIN. SABRA IS THE SWEETEST LADY.
I JUST CALLED CSHD TO GET HER EMAIL AND SHE GOT ON THE PHONE AND WOULD NOT LET ME GO!!!! SHE WAS JUST SO EXCITED AND WANTED TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!!
SHE EVEN SAID SHE WAS THINKING EARLIER IF "DAN WOULD CALL IN TODAY." SHE DEFINATELY HAS A GOOD MEMORY AND A GREAT PERSONALITY. WHAT A SWEETHEART!!!!
I WISH I COULD TRANSLATE ON HERE EXACTLY WHAT SHE SOUNDED LIKE. SO VERY CONFIDENT....I TOLD HER THAT AFTER WE TALKED I WAS GOING TO POST A COUPLE THINGS THAT SHE SAID. BY THE WAY, SHE IS DEFINATELY READING ALONG ON HERE.
HERE ARE A FEW THINGS SHE SAID:
"I WANNA HIT WALL STREET LIKE A NAPALM BOMB"
"WERE JUST GETTING STARTED"
"I WANNA HIT THE BELL ON WALL STREET WITH THAT GOLDEN GAVEL. THE RING WILL BE HEARD AROUND THE WORLD." - pretty close to something like that.
ALLS I CAN SAY IS CONGRATS TO EVERYONE. WE ARE IN SOMETHING HUGE. NOT JUST BECAUSE SABRA SAID SO, OR BECAUSE RUFUS SAID SO, BUT BECAUSE I TRULY BELIEVE WE HAVE CAME ACROSS SOMETHING AWESOME!!!! NEXT WEEK IS GOING TO BE AWESOME!!!!
GOD BLESS EVERYONE!!!!
Posted by dog on :
If it were only known fact.... damm
Posted by lostone on :
It's nice that the company officers have great personalities and all.. but for me, business is business.. SHOW ME THE MONEY!
Posted by 10of13 on :
What 'bout punkin? ...Oh..you can just put him in your carry on...Never mind...
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: well i just got confirmed for my job in nowhereland PA sun/mon/tues.
so i dont expect to be here for the 10k
Posted by wallymac on :
IMO, The 10K can still be filed prior to the opening bell on Monday. As a strategy I have felt it best to release it after hours today giving the investment world a chance to fully digest it. The halt will come early Monday and the reset later in the day. I would expect a PR sometime this weekend. Of course this is only My Opinion for what it's worth.
GLTA Wally
Posted by betting babe on :
dunno who they are?
well good news. a bigger client needs me in nyc on tuesday... so i will be here monday!!!
wow, that was a panic-mode! need to get my pup sunday! yeesh.
crazy scheduling. get 'er done already rufus!
~BB
yeah, 10, when i accepted the job i forgot id need to travel on sunday. hence the panic
quote:Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer: BB you ever do any shoots for Weiden+Kennedy?
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
It's an Ad agency in Chelsea. My sis is a producer there. They handle pretty big clients.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Guys/Gals ...I just gotta say...this has been a great group of people...some of the DD here has been awesome and we all know that, I am very proud to say that I belong to allstocks...the people here are, for the most part, just plain wonderful! I jumped in this stock back in July...for one reason...flippin' I made great $ and my exit point was suppose to be at the end of the week...back in July...I broke my own rule and have stayed... I am not in this nearly as heavy as the majority of you but like maumee said...it'll put a dent. I hope for all of you that have stuck it out the absolute very best What I hope the most is that what Rufus and Company are doing really makes a difference in the market and brings a true change for us all!! Good luck to all of you and enjoy your weekends! C'mon Rufus...you said buy the crap out of it...we did and now it's your turn... Heat up the deep frier, release the 10k and fry them shorts!!! Posted by 10of13 on :
BB~the pup and travelin'? most of the airlines will let you take the pup/small dog in a little carry on thing that you can place on your lap...it's a soft sided "bag"...he should be able to go most any where with you...check into it...I think they run about $50-60...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Walker!!!!
You out there????
WTF happened???
Any word on if they are gunna report today????
Talk to me.....
10!!!! You too....
any one- any-one???
sorry bud, home now, gotta read some and catch up! Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by lostone: does Tut still hold credibility among the majority of us? Not for me though.. I thought he was an insider.. his DD's so far are speculation, no matter how good, he never really provided links (at least i don't recall).. BB, Matt, Wally, and others are more reliable.. anyway, so i guess it's monday.. i've been thinking lately that i should have sold at least half position when it was near 4.. but o well.. might as well stay for the whole ride now.. I think i'm falling out of love with this one..
I would have to say that after listening to him on SPR (a couple of times), I was pretty impressed. I felt as if there was so much he wanted to tell us, but could not.
He is just a guy who happens to purchase stocks for a living...him and his partners. He is really pumped up about this one. He reminds me of my uncle in Houston who runs the UNICEF office down there. This guy has met Kings and Queens, Presidents and Prime Ministers, actors and actresses, all kinds of important people. Not sure why I lumped actors and actresses in the important people pile, but I digress.
Anyway, he hangs out with George Bush Sr. all the time. Yet, this man would do anything to help people out if he felt they deserved it. I think Tut is very similar. With everything he knows about the inner workings of the markets; he just couldn't stand to see the MM's and bashers destroy people’s dreams. I believe that he knows this is a once in a lifetime deal and does not want anyone to miss out. He just can't verbalize all of what he knows (for fear of getting in trouble)...hence the repetitive motivational speeches.
BTW...he is planning on starting a new Cancer charity after this is done (with some of his proceeds). If this pans out for us, maybe we should look into helping him out...as he has attempted to so for us. I know we will all need some tax relief... Posted by betting babe on :
oh lincoln i may not know if i worked for them or not, i tend to deal directly with the client.
avon i work for directly usually.
but feel free to show her my website and get me work
~BB
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: oh lincoln i may not know if i worked for them or not, i tend to deal directly with the client.
avon i work for directly usually.
but feel free to show her my website and get me work
~BB
BB, I still haven't figured out who you are...we don't get many of the ads the rest of the world gets....tell me some I might find in the Southeast...
Posted by betting babe on :
$95 we already have our 1st class reservations for new years eve in south beach
BUT at 8 weeks, still a lil young, needs shots and stuff before he can go to doggy daycare, and needs a lil more poddy training before he's bag-worthy LOL
anywayz i was saved by a karmic miracle. so its all good. now rufus better give us that 10k by monday so i can be here to rejoice with everyone else!
im still watching edgar - is there reason to do so? it can still be filed today right? cuz theres still filings coming thru...
sherri... link to my website is in my profile. and macys commercial is linked in there with my pup: http://207.5.19.248/journal/ by the way, did the commercial run properly for anyone who tried? seems to have a formatting issue. feedbk is appreciated
~BB
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: BB~the pup and travelin'? most of the airlines will let you take the pup/small dog in a little carry on thing that you can place on your lap...it's a soft sided "bag"...he should be able to go most any where with you...check into it...I think they run about $50-60...
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: oh lincoln i may not know if i worked for them or not, i tend to deal directly with the client.
avon i work for directly usually.
but feel free to show her my website and get me work
~BB
You are a very lucky woman BB~ Hope you realize that.
Posted by betting babe on :
theres a cancer research / charity on the NOBO list fyi.
a tut affiliation perhaps? ~BB
new2 - lucky maybe, but ya make your own luck i say!
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: BTW...he is planning on starting a new Cancer charity after this is done (with some of his proceeds). If this pans out for us, maybe we should look into helping him out...as he has attempted to so for us. I know we will all need some tax relief...
Posted by bilgert on :
Would be pretty cagey of Rufus to do it this way, but with Rufus et al, I have been weaned to expect the unexpected.
Got some little spare change this Friday- sold some plasma, opened a lemonade stand and sold my prized Velvet Elvis. If the 10-K is released late AM and the MM's and nervous investors bail, I will probably pick up a little more. Happy with what I have, maybe should have thought abut adding today, but you know- things happen.
This has been fun and nervewracking. Good thing Newcastle Brown Ale is on sale this week. I plan to be bombed all weekend. I'll sober up Monday AM and if all goes as planned, I'll be leaving work early to buy another case of Newcastle
Good luck everybody- not much more to do at this point. After 10-K and halt, the strategies will be much, much different. Enjoy your weekend.
P.S. Anybody notice PEPSICO is on the shareholder list? Is that as in the beverage maker- or Joe Piscopo's cousin?
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: IMO, The 10K can still be filed prior to the opening bell on Monday. As a strategy I have felt it best to release it after hours today giving the investment world a chance to fully digest it. The halt will come early Monday and the reset later in the day. I would expect a PR sometime this weekend. Of course this is only My Opinion for what it's worth.
true as Wally says - i have often thought that releasing the 10k over a weekend would give "reason" for a reset during the threshold cross at open.
~BB
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Maybe Rufus's sense of humor is as odd as mine:
Shorters: They were warned, they are doomed. And on Friday the 13th, nothing will save them.
NICE POST
LMAO
Posted by trade2win on :
unrelated question, point me somewhere else if wrong.
I am holding another penny which is going through 1:200 reverse split.
How does one usually approach big reverse spilts, sell at the 1st opportunity?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by trade2win: unrelated question, point me somewhere else if wrong.
I am holding another penny which is going through 1:200 reverse split.
How does one usually approach big reverse spilts, sell at the 1st opportunity?
haha yea sell immediately
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by trade2win: unrelated question, point me somewhere else if wrong.
I am holding another penny which is going through 1:200 reverse split.
How does one usually approach big reverse spilts, sell at the 1st opportunity?
In most cases you are better off selling before the split. Once the split occurs it will take most brokers a day or 2 to get you the shares under the new symbol and you won't be able to trade it. It's a terible feeling watching the price drop and not being able to do it. I'm speaking generally. I'm not sure which stock you are in but in about 90-95% of the case you are much better off selling before it splits.
Good Luck Wally
Posted by trade2win on :
Thanks wally, i am holding hrrp
Posted by betting babe on :
hrrrrp.. excuse you. Posted by frank021474 on :
Have a good weekend everyone- I plan to step away from the CSHD revolution and golf
Catch everyone monday before the bell!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Sooooooooooo............ are we closer to $54 yet?
By the way Betting Babe, you are one foxy momma... saw your website. I like the Ben Affleck picture... him looking wasted and like horned toad.
Posted by dollar13 on :
i think we will see the 10k monday if not tuesday if not wednesday ............. but we will see it one day
Posted by JHenry on :
It's a safe bet to say we're not going to see these kinds of prices much longer.
Posted by 10of13 on :
From HSM...SABRA
SABRA HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3 CSHD appreciates ALL the shareholders support and loyalty. I know that there are many questions and concerns but I can assure you that the decisions that WE are making are in the BEST INTEREST of the SHAREHOLDERS. We hope you all have a WONDERFUL WEEKEND and I am sure I will be talking to you on MONDAY!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I hope it's real early monday morning that we have something to talk about.
Posted by wallymac on :
OT: FWIW
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To fight a similar problem, U.S. banks are exploring new online banking security technologies since a study showed identity theft via online banking is a fast-growing crime.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: From HSM...SABRA
SABRA HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3 CSHD appreciates ALL the shareholders support and loyalty. I know that there are many questions and concerns but I can assure you that the decisions that WE are making are in the BEST INTEREST of the SHAREHOLDERS. We hope you all have a WONDERFUL WEEKEND and I am sure I will be talking to you on MONDAY!
I tell ya after talking to her today you realize she has the personality to get er done.
I was wholly impressed.
The funny thing is I feel like even when we get the 10k/reset on Monday that this will only be the middle chapter to our epic novel. There is much more to come. At least I am sure if they get this reset and move to nasdaq done I won't be selling any time soon.
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: From HSM...SABRA
SABRA HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3 CSHD appreciates ALL the shareholders support and loyalty. I know that there are many questions and concerns but I can assure you that the decisions that WE are making are in the BEST INTEREST of the SHAREHOLDERS. We hope you all have a WONDERFUL WEEKEND and I am sure I will be talking to you on MONDAY!
Sounds good to me. Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks for posting that Wally!
Posted by wallymac on :
You're Welcome 10.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by trade2win: unrelated question, point me somewhere else if wrong.
I am holding another penny which is going through 1:200 reverse split.
How does one usually approach big reverse spilts, sell at the 1st opportunity?
IMO... DUMP it right now! -really...
Posted by lostone on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: From HSM...SABRA
SABRA HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3 CSHD appreciates ALL the shareholders support and loyalty. I know that there are many questions and concerns but I can assure you that the decisions that WE are making are in the BEST INTEREST of the SHAREHOLDERS. We hope you all have a WONDERFUL WEEKEND and I am sure I will be talking to you on MONDAY!
this could also be interpreted as in the best interest of the PAID shareholders/majority shareholders, which are the officers anyway.. but bleh.. we'll see come monday
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
quote:Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer: Ima you in Boone? Go to App St?
Lincoln... Ididn't mean to ignore you, I've been at work nearly all day, and just got back and starting to catch up on the news. But no I'm not is Boone but very close. I live in Linville (20 minutes away) and work at the Eseeola Lodge. I went to a Bible College in Grand Rapids MI and will be taking seminary courses through Gordon Conwell Tehological Seminary, with a semester in Jerusalem soon. Do you go to App State? If you are we should get togather for luch at Macdonalds (if CSHD goes south) or at some high class joint (if CSHD goes WAY NORTH!). I'll be around for another couple weeks. Man I can't wait till monday! and it's only Friday night!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: does Tut still hold credibility among the majority of us? Not for me though.. I thought he was an insider.. his DD's so far are speculation, no matter how good, he never really provided links (at least i don't recall).. BB, Matt, Wally, and others are more reliable.. anyway, so i guess it's monday.. i've been thinking lately that i should have sold at least half position when it was near 4.. but o well.. might as well stay for the whole ride now.. I think i'm falling out of love with this one..
I would have to say that after listening to him on SPR (a couple of times), I was pretty impressed. I felt as if there was so much he wanted to tell us, but could not.
He is just a guy who happens to purchase stocks for a living...him and his partners. He is really pumped up about this one. He reminds me of my uncle in Houston who runs the UNICEF office down there. This guy has met Kings and Queens, Presidents and Prime Ministers, actors and actresses, all kinds of important people. Not sure why I lumped actors and actresses in the important people pile, but I digress.
Anyway, he hangs out with George Bush Sr. all the time. Yet, this man would do anything to help people out if he felt they deserved it. I think Tut is very similar. With everything he knows about the inner workings of the markets; he just couldn't stand to see the MM's and bashers destroy people’s dreams. I believe that he knows this is a once in a lifetime deal and does not want anyone to miss out. He just can't verbalize all of what he knows (for fear of getting in trouble)...hence the repetitive motivational speeches.
BTW...he is planning on starting a new Cancer charity after this is done (with some of his proceeds). If this pans out for us, maybe we should look into helping him out...as he has attempted to so for us. I know we will all need some tax relief...
am tempted to say, "I don't like this post."
will say, please read carefully...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex? You don't like that fact that he "lumped" actors and actresses in with important people pile?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: does Tut still hold credibility among the majority of us? Not for me though.. I thought he was an insider.. his DD's so far are speculation, no matter how good, he never really provided links (at least i don't recall).. BB, Matt, Wally, and others are more reliable.. anyway, so i guess it's monday.. i've been thinking lately that i should have sold at least half position when it was near 4.. but o well.. might as well stay for the whole ride now.. I think i'm falling out of love with this one..
I would have to say that after listening to him on SPR (a couple of times), I was pretty impressed. I felt as if there was so much he wanted to tell us, but could not.
He is just a guy who happens to purchase stocks for a living...him and his partners. He is really pumped up about this one. He reminds me of my uncle in Houston who runs the UNICEF office down there. This guy has met Kings and Queens, Presidents and Prime Ministers, actors and actresses, all kinds of important people. Not sure why I lumped actors and actresses in the important people pile, but I digress.
Anyway, he hangs out with George Bush Sr. all the time. Yet, this man would do anything to help people out if he felt they deserved it. I think Tut is very similar. With everything he knows about the inner workings of the markets; he just couldn't stand to see the MM's and bashers destroy people’s dreams. I believe that he knows this is a once in a lifetime deal and does not want anyone to miss out. He just can't verbalize all of what he knows (for fear of getting in trouble)...hence the repetitive motivational speeches.
BTW...he is planning on starting a new Cancer charity after this is done (with some of his proceeds). If this pans out for us, maybe we should look into helping him out...as he has attempted to so for us. I know we will all need some tax relief...
am tempted to say, "I don't like this post."
will say, please read carefully...
I catch your drift.
One might think that's about TUT but in reality it's about St. Matthew's Uncle.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex? You don't like that fact that he "lumped" actors and actresses in with important people pile?
lol...
in that post?
who is "he" ?
Posted by skip on :
good luck with this kids, hope it works out...
I wanted to get out of the "1300's" in post count... so this is my 1400th! yay!
so I celebrate with a bottle of wine, and some northwest herbs; as my girlfriend asks me again why I am on the laptop again, and not watching whatever movie is on... Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: does Tut still hold credibility among the majority of us? Not for me though.. I thought he was an insider.. his DD's so far are speculation, no matter how good, he never really provided links (at least i don't recall).. BB, Matt, Wally, and others are more reliable.. anyway, so i guess it's monday.. i've been thinking lately that i should have sold at least half position when it was near 4.. but o well.. might as well stay for the whole ride now.. I think i'm falling out of love with this one..
I would have to say that after listening to him on SPR (a couple of times), I was pretty impressed. I felt as if there was so much he wanted to tell us, but could not.
He is just a guy who happens to purchase stocks for a living...him and his partners. He is really pumped up about this one. He reminds me of my uncle in Houston who runs the UNICEF office down there. This guy has met Kings and Queens, Presidents and Prime Ministers, actors and actresses, all kinds of important people. Not sure why I lumped actors and actresses in the important people pile, but I digress.
Anyway, he hangs out with George Bush Sr. all the time. Yet, this man would do anything to help people out if he felt they deserved it. I think Tut is very similar. With everything he knows about the inner workings of the markets; he just couldn't stand to see the MM's and bashers destroy people’s dreams. I believe that he knows this is a once in a lifetime deal and does not want anyone to miss out. He just can't verbalize all of what he knows (for fear of getting in trouble)...hence the repetitive motivational speeches.
BTW...he is planning on starting a new Cancer charity after this is done (with some of his proceeds). If this pans out for us, maybe we should look into helping him out...as he has attempted to so for us. I know we will all need some tax relief...
am tempted to say, "I don't like this post."
will say, please read carefully...
I catch your drift.
One might think that's about TUT but in reality it's about St. Matthew's Uncle.
GLTA Wally
ya...
pretty is as pretty does, eh?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by skip: good luck with this kids, hope it works out...
I wanted to get out of the "1300's" in post count... so this is my 1400th! yay!
so I celebrate with a bottle of wine, and some northwest herbs; as my girlfriend asks me again why I am on the laptop again, and not watching whatever movie is on...
lol, lockdown the laptop, take da gf to the tub...
IT'S THE WEEKEND! Posted by bilgert on :
Yeah, no offense St. Matthew, but that post is almost as confusing as one of Tut's actual postings.
Posted by nwafloat on :
Hello All;
I just discovered this Board 15 days ago thru a investment forum (Pirate's Cove). I have been a holder of CSHD for approximately 4 months. A member in the Cove first brought it to our attention. I like what I am hearing over here. Informative and polite. Seems everyone here is on the same page to assist eachother in a profitable investment. That is the way these forums should operate.
I will continue to monitor the room every chance I get and look forward to posting in the future. Great ideas in here and excellent DD!!!
Posted by skip on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
lol, lockdown the laptop, take da gf to the tub...
IT'S THE WEEKEND! [/QB][/QUOTE]
the voice of reason and experience rings true...
closing the laptop now...
have a great weekend!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Hey nwafloat ~
It's only getting better Posted by 10of13 on :
nwafloat...welcome... Informative and polite? Weeellll...mostly...but we have to break the tension sometimes...
But it is a great board...the best I've seen!!!
Good luck and look forward to your posts!
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: nwafloat...welcome... Informative and polite? Weeellll...mostly...but we have to break the tension sometimes...
But it is a great board...the best I've seen!!!
Good luck and look forward to your posts!
SCHMOOOOZZ!!!
Posted by brooklynboyz84 on :
1st post here,been on another board,looking for great things to come starting on monday and more after that.Just a reminder as of today we still have that 8KA with audited financials,so this stock will hold it's ground now and in the future no matter what happens,GLTA
Posted by TimW on :
Well today wasnt very exciting.. And unfortunately i wont have time monday to watch.. Posted by wallymac on :
Welcome aboard nwafloat and brooklynboyz84. This is a very good board, probably the best I've seen. ____________________________________________________
Don't get too complacent, I for one, thought we would have a nice quiet weekend before the inevitable happenings on Monday. Speaking overall not just this board. But get ready. Here's something I found tonight so so you know what's going on out there.
Insert s t o c k w a t c h where the ***** are without the spaces.
GLTA Wally
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
I must say I am nervous that we got no 10-K today. I still don't see any solid proof as to how in the world Rufus has till Monday to file. SEC rules are 15 days from the due date, which makes the 10-K due on October 13th which already passed. I really hope that Rufus hasnt been lying to us all this time, and we get an E monday, and we are wiped out. I really hope things turn out well for the shareholders this time. I've been holding 3 months now, and don't want to be devastated. But I didnt invest more than I could afford to lose. LETS HOPE MONDAY IS THE REAL DEAL BOYS AND GIRLS. Just am concerned about how he can get away with filing on monday and be in "compliance".
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I must say I am nervous that we got no 10-K today. I still don't see any solid proof as to how in the world Rufus has till Monday to file. SEC rules are 15 days from the due date, which makes the 10-K due on October 13th which already passed. I really hope that Rufus hasnt been lying to us all this time, and we get an E monday, and we are wiped out. I really hope things turn out well for the shareholders this time. I've been holding 3 months now, and don't want to be devastated. But I didnt invest more than I could afford to lose. LETS HOPE MONDAY IS THE REAL DEAL BOYS AND GIRLS. Just am concerned about how he can get away with filing on monday and be in "compliance".
The 10KNT was filed on Sept 29, the 29th does not count as 1 day. Day 1 was Sept 30th. now 14 days of October make it due on the 14th. Since the 14th is a Saturday it is due the following trading day which makes it Monday Sept 16th.
Here's a link to Edgar filing Questions.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 5:41 pm Post subject: Reply with quote That is correct. Filings submitted and accepted by EDGAR after 5:30 p.m. Eastern time are only disseminated to the public the following business day at 6:00 a.m. _________________ Securex www.secfile.net
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Posted by wallymac on :
Companies may request a filing extension for their Form 10-Q's and 10-K's by submitting Form 12b-25 via the EDGAR system. By filing this form, a filer may gain up to 5 additional days to file Form 10-Q or 15 days to file Form 10-K. Companies have up to 24 hours after the original filing deadline to file Form 12b-25.
Each trading day, NASDAQ publishes a list of companies that it believes are non-compliant with NASD Rule 6530 (the “Eligibility Rule”). A company is generally added to this list on the date that the symbol is appended with an “E” modifier. This is generally two business days after notification is published on the OTCBB Daily List. A security is removed from this list one business day after NASDAQ determines that it is eligible for quotation, or the security is no longer quoted on the OTCBB.
The Eligibility Rule and a list of frequently asked questions concerning monitoring and enforcement of this Rule can be viewed on the OTCBB website at: http://www.otcbb.com/faqs/otcbb_faq.stm
*The Removal Date is generally two business days following the grace period expiration date. _________________ Securex www.secfile.net Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Welcome aboard nwafloat and brooklynboyz84. This is a very good board, probably the best I've seen. ____________________________________________________
Don't get too complacent, I for one, thought we would have a nice quiet weekend before the inevitable happenings on Monday. Speaking overall not just this board. But get ready. Here's something I found tonight so so you know what's going on out there.
Insert s t o c k w a t c h where the ***** are without the spaces.
GLTA Wally
Thanks Wally. What B.S. He will be the next fugitive.
Posted by bud750 on :
Hello All, just stoping in to say hi.
Posted by bud750 on :
Hey guys just wanted to see if anyone was ever in this stock called DIGG, I woke up this A.M and looked in my local paper and saw this article, then i thought 2 years ago a few guys came into my business and where talking to me about stocks and then started going on a about this gas company called DIGG, i never bought it but watched it time to time and now Today i so this article and lol, wish i got there phone number, to find out what they where paid to pump it http://www.app.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061014/NEWS02/610140420/1070 Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Welcome aboard nwafloat and brooklynboyz84. This is a very good board, probably the best I've seen. ____________________________________________________
Don't get too complacent, I for one, thought we would have a nice quiet weekend before the inevitable happenings on Monday. Speaking overall not just this board. But get ready. Here's something I found tonight so so you know what's going on out there.
Insert s t o c k w a t c h where the ***** are without the spaces.
GLTA Wally
Wally, Surfer,
I saw you comments at the end of the article, nice job. Well, this article is pitiful, nothing to back up what he's saying, NOTHING!! He'll be so Full on Monday when after eating crow!!
Posted by mathis on :
Thanks wally, I needed a good laugh . Love your comments and a surfers at the end.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Don't get too complacent, I for one, thought we would have a nice quiet weekend before the inevitable happenings on Monday. Speaking overall not just this board. But get ready. Here's something I found tonight so so you know what's going on out there.
Insert s t o c k w a t c h where the ***** are without the spaces.
GLTA Wally
Posted by bud750 on :
quote:Originally posted by mathis: Thanks wally, I needed a good laugh . Love your comments and a surfers at the end.
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Don't get too complacent, I for one, thought we would have a nice quiet weekend before the inevitable happenings on Monday. Speaking overall not just this board. But get ready. Here's something I found tonight so so you know what's going on out there.
Insert s t o c k w a t c h where the ***** are without the spaces.
GLTA Wally
That article is all BS, there is not truth to that at all. Just someone saying how they feel, what do they know , probally nothing, at all about the DD that was done on this company
Posted by dog on :
morning....
I just wish any of these people would go to the Georgia website and research the notarized documents.
It shows significant planning and effort, as well as supporting the claims that Rufus has been stating since the beginning.
This company is in it's infantile stage, and if it keeps growing... look out.
If anything... we have financials that more than justify the current PPS. I feel like my money is safe.
This group has not done all this work and planning to this point to let the company get delisted. They have gained nothing... the money is in the deal.
The deal is just about to be disclosed in full.
Please don't keep us waiting until or after EOD... that's just cruel.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Hello All,
I'm new to this board, but have been watching in the past couple of weeks. I was back in the beginning when this stock was FHAL and was at .075 cents a share. At that time i saw the great trucking news it had regarding doubling its fleet and saw this as a great opportunity to double my money. I bought 8000 shares (wish i held onto them all now ) cause i'd have some dough to play with. I ended up being in the right stock as the merger news came out with CSHD. I sold my shares at $1.03 about 2 months ago? Just trying to make a quick buck and not risk losing it all. I then bought 1000 shares and ive been holding long ever since. I've been watching this all along. THe ups downs, and finally got lucky and bought some more shares when it dipped a couple of days ago to 1.87 (extremely lucky price to get into). Now im here for the ride whether it be good or bad i'm standing by all of you and stretching this stock out to its max. Monday will be the day we will all see this stock explode hopefully off the 10k news to 5-7$ range. I believe the reset will happen when the 10Q comes out, but look for the stock to barrell up to the 7-10$ range before then. Everyone has been in anticipation of the 10K all from the start. Millions of people have sold due to not seeing the 10K on time. Rufus filed the extension and some bought back in others stayed on the side line to watch. When this 10K comes out all the lies and swirls around the stock will be erased and many many people, companies will buy back in, shorts will cover and this stock will soar. Good luck to all and stay on for the ride, I'm sure we will all love our results.... and hey, even if the 10K doesn't come out, i'm sure we all can say we have never made a trade like this in our life... THis is definately a once in a lifetime trade evne already going from .10 centes to $4, it rarely ever happens. Everyone deserves not to be stressed after watching this stock go so hi in such a short period of time. Relax, watch some football, drink some beer and have a great weekend. I'll talk to you all on monday!
Posted by bilgert on :
I think you mean 'infant stage' or 'infancy', unless you are referring to the way Mike Alexander gives a radio interview...
And if Rufus waits until EOD- give him the benefit of the doubt. More often than not, he seems to have his reasons.
quote:Originally posted by dog: morning....
IThis company is in it's infantile stage, and if it keeps growing... look out.
If anything... we have financials that more than justify the current PPS. I feel like my money is safe.
This group has not done all this work and planning to this point to let the company get delisted. They have gained nothing... the money is in the deal.
The deal is just about to be disclosed in full.
Please don't keep us waiting until or after EOD... that's just cruel.
Posted by brooklynboyz84 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: I must say I am nervous that we got no 10-K today. I still don't see any solid proof as to how in the world Rufus has till Monday to file. SEC rules are 15 days from the due date, which makes the 10-K due on October 13th which already passed. I really hope that Rufus hasnt been lying to us all this time, and we get an E monday, and we are wiped out. I really hope things turn out well for the shareholders this time. I've been holding 3 months now, and don't want to be devastated. But I didnt invest more than I could afford to lose. LETS HOPE MONDAY IS THE REAL DEAL BOYS AND GIRLS. Just am concerned about how he can get away with filing on monday and be in "compliance".
I would not be worried.Some people may not know but if this was filed by Rufus after 5:30 PM it will not show up on Edgar and will show up early morning around 6am on monday,if not I expect it to be out before the close monday,hold strong
Posted by 10of13 on :
See...most of the time...
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: nwafloat...welcome... Informative and polite? Weeellll...mostly...but we have to break the tension sometimes...
But it is a great board...the best I've seen!!!
Good luck and look forward to your posts!
SCHMOOOOZZ!!!
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: Hello All,
I'm new to this board, but have been watching in the past couple of weeks. I was back in the beginning when this stock was FHAL and was at .075 cents a share. At that time i saw the great trucking news it had regarding doubling its fleet and saw this as a great opportunity to double my money. I bought 8000 shares (wish i held onto them all now ) cause i'd have some dough to play with. I ended up being in the right stock as the merger news came out with CSHD. I sold my shares at $1.03 about 2 months ago? Just trying to make a quick buck and not risk losing it all. I then bought 1000 shares and ive been holding long ever since. I've been watching this all along. THe ups downs, and finally got lucky and bought some more shares when it dipped a couple of days ago to 1.87 (extremely lucky price to get into). Now im here for the ride whether it be good or bad i'm standing by all of you and stretching this stock out to its max. Monday will be the day we will all see this stock explode hopefully off the 10k news to 5-7$ range. I believe the reset will happen when the 10Q comes out, but look for the stock to barrell up to the 7-10$ range before then. Everyone has been in anticipation of the 10K all from the start. Millions of people have sold due to not seeing the 10K on time. Rufus filed the extension and some bought back in others stayed on the side line to watch. When this 10K comes out all the lies and swirls around the stock will be erased and many many people, companies will buy back in, shorts will cover and this stock will soar. Good luck to all and stay on for the ride, I'm sure we will all love our results.... and hey, even if the 10K doesn't come out, i'm sure we all can say we have never made a trade like this in our life... THis is definately a once in a lifetime trade evne already going from .10 centes to $4, it rarely ever happens. Everyone deserves not to be stressed after watching this stock go so hi in such a short period of time. Relax, watch some football, drink some beer and have a great weekend. I'll talk to you all on monday!
Good job Jmoe20 .... Nice to have you here.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Good to be here! After watching everyone swirl their thoughts around, i figured I'd throw another shareholder in the mix who has been here since the beginning. I just want to let you know that their is MANY of us out there just like me who are not on this board! We are not alone!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
jmoe29...welcome! good call on holding on to what you are comfortable with! And yes..once in a life time trade...regardless of how it turns out..Hopin' for a great week!
Again Welcome aboard.. Posted by a surfer on :
welcome jmoe.
Posted by 10of13 on :
With the stock watch BS article...at least it is on a weekend instead of the week so that we don't see some massive selloff, hopefully all that read it will be able to do a little research and not get freaked out. Come on Rufus and Company...let's get 'er done!
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
Jmoe20, welcome! Just wondering why you believe the reset won't happen until the 10Q comes out. I believe Rufus has always stated it would happen with the 10K.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: Good to be here! After watching everyone swirl their thoughts around, i figured I'd throw another shareholder in the mix who has been here since the beginning. I just want to let you know that their is MANY of us out there just like me who are not on this board! We are not alone!!
-not alone?...
Suppose I have to have PANTS on now while I post... -bummer.. jk-ing!
Welcome aboard jmoe20!
Posted by Bittermac on :
quote: Don't get too complacent, I for one, thought we would have a nice quiet weekend before the inevitable happenings on Monday. Speaking overall not just this board. But get ready. Here's something I found tonight so so you know what's going on out there.
Insert s t o c k w a t c h where the ***** are without the spaces.
GLTA Wally I read it and greatly enjoyed A Surfers post. I took journalism in college and I don't think that scrawl would get even a passing grade. It was biased to the point that it needed to be labled an op/ed piece just to be fair.
But maybe that was the point.
Either way, the deal is done in a few days one way or another.
Stay strong, stay long!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Regarding stock watch... That guy gave crediability to lemon and the fugitive RUNNING from the law Timothy miles of our street! -what a joke.
Thanks for bringing this up Wally so we can show people how to "sort" and DD Posted by Bittermac on :
There are a lot of us lurking out there that never posted for the longest time. My father turned me on to the stock (FHAL) and this board, and neither one of us posted for a long time. To everyone else, lurking out there. . .
COME IN FROM THE COLD!
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by got2hvfaith: Jmoe20, welcome! Just wondering why you believe the reset won't happen until the 10Q comes out. I believe Rufus has always stated it would happen with the 10K.
I would definitly disagree with the reset not happening until 10q. Rufus has made it very clear that the reset will be after the 10k. JMO Posted by Bittermac on :
No reset till the 10Q? I read that one yesterday. Either a miss-read or a typo. Maybe misunderstanding.
Posted by kcool on :
Hi guys, i have one question. If the reset happens, are we going to just suddenly open at the new price or are we going to climb up to it until we eventually hit the market equilibrium ... if that makes any sense ... sorry i am still new ... and thanks
Posted by 10of13 on :
I don't believe that Rufus ever stated exactly when the reset would come...simply after the 10k...and he has also stated that there may be no reason for a reset...time will tell...I do think that the 10Q will drive the price even higher... but the 10Q is another month away..let's get the 10k!
Posted by 10of13 on :
If there is a reset..let's say 15...it will be the market that decides how high or how low it will be after that reset...it's supply and demand...if the peeps that hold now before the reset want out...you can bet the stock will fall fairly fast after the reset...Rufus stated that he has institutional buyers waiting to come in at that point...and that may be what is needed to hold the reset price. We will need to see what the "market" says at that time...
quote:Originally posted by kcool: Hi guys, i have one question. If the reset happens, are we going to just suddenly open at the new price or are we going to climb up to it until we eventually hit the market equilibrium ... if that makes any sense ... sorry i am still new ... and thanks
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Just a thought, the only reason i believe that is because the 10K has basically everything that the 8K a couple weeks ago had in it, just with a few added bonuses !! It very well could come out on monday, but i believe Rufus may want this stock to hit $5 on its own without the reset taking place, so that he could prove to the Nasdaq that his stock does not need a reset to trade on the NASD. If he resets the price to $15 and everyone decides to sell because they have huge profits it's going to drive the price way down, and then gradually rise again with PR's, by not doing the reset on monday he will drive the price to AT LEAST high $4-$6 range just by the 10K being released. After this a few PR's out and its smooth sailing up to $7-10 range. Then the reset might allow him to post higher than $15 as the stock may already be around $7-10... Just my thoughts.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Correct 10of13..
And Rufus it seems wasn't just blowing wind with the institutional investors thing...
[recent PR]
September 27, 2006 - 9:12 AM EST
Conversion Solutions Announce the Completion of the Banking Platform for Our Global, Sovereign and Institutional Investors KENNESAW, Ga., Sept. 27 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation updated shareholders.
The corporation has obtained contracts from the following banks Deutche Bank, ABN Amro Bank, Dresdner Bank and Kommerce Bank. The mentioned banks will be the foundation for our project funding platform.
Lemme rephrase that sentence, does not need the reset to be over the minimum trading requirements for the NASD... this puppy can hit $5-10 on its own without a reset, and Rufus knows this.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
That's
""contracts""
from the following banks Deutche Bank, ABN Amro Bank, Dresdner Bank and Kommerce Bank.
Google thoose WORLD banks! These are big-big boys... he he
Heck, I'm going shopping!
Can you say "Big Screen TV?!!"
Later Board ~ Chart
Posted by driver4t3 on :
also rufus said in an interview (one of them) that the institutional buyers will begin to purchase after the 5 dollar mark, something about the main buyers not being able to purchase until we hit 5 bucks, my opinion is that he has been silent somewhat so the price will not move up until he is ready, I think monday is our day...cant wait........ Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: From HSM...SABRA
SABRA HSM Newbie
Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3 CSHD appreciates ALL the shareholders support and loyalty. I know that there are many questions and concerns but I can assure you that the decisions that WE are making are in the BEST INTEREST of the SHAREHOLDERS. We hope you all have a WONDERFUL WEEKEND and I am sure I will be talking to you on MONDAY!
I tell ya after talking to her today you realize she has the personality to get er done.
I was wholly impressed.
The funny thing is I feel like even when we get the 10k/reset on Monday that this will only be the middle chapter to our epic novel. There is much more to come. At least I am sure if they get this reset and move to nasdaq done I won't be selling any time soon.
I couldn't agree more Surf...Sabra is the real deal. This company is just beginning to make things happen. Have a good weekend everyone... Posted by St. Matthew on :
What you talkin bout Willis...er ah Wally?
It's not really ABOUT anyone...JMHO
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: does Tut still hold credibility among the majority of us? Not for me though.. I thought he was an insider.. his DD's so far are speculation, no matter how good, he never really provided links (at least i don't recall).. BB, Matt, Wally, and others are more reliable.. anyway, so i guess it's monday.. i've been thinking lately that i should have sold at least half position when it was near 4.. but o well.. might as well stay for the whole ride now.. I think i'm falling out of love with this one..
I would have to say that after listening to him on SPR (a couple of times), I was pretty impressed. I felt as if there was so much he wanted to tell us, but could not.
He is just a guy who happens to purchase stocks for a living...him and his partners. He is really pumped up about this one. He reminds me of my uncle in Houston who runs the UNICEF office down there. This guy has met Kings and Queens, Presidents and Prime Ministers, actors and actresses, all kinds of important people. Not sure why I lumped actors and actresses in the important people pile, but I digress.
Anyway, he hangs out with George Bush Sr. all the time. Yet, this man would do anything to help people out if he felt they deserved it. I think Tut is very similar. With everything he knows about the inner workings of the markets; he just couldn't stand to see the MM's and bashers destroy people’s dreams. I believe that he knows this is a once in a lifetime deal and does not want anyone to miss out. He just can't verbalize all of what he knows (for fear of getting in trouble)...hence the repetitive motivational speeches.
BTW...he is planning on starting a new Cancer charity after this is done (with some of his proceeds). If this pans out for us, maybe we should look into helping him out...as he has attempted to so for us. I know we will all need some tax relief...
am tempted to say, "I don't like this post."
will say, please read carefully...
I catch your drift.
One might think that's about TUT but in reality it's about St. Matthew's Uncle.
GLTA Wally
It's not really ABOUT anyone...JMHO
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: Yeah, no offense St. Matthew, but that post is almost as confusing as one of Tut's actual postings.
Sorry about that...I had a very stressful day at work and a massive headache at the time, and I was late picking up my daughter...didn't mean to confuse, imply or offend...JMHO.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: Yeah, no offense St. Matthew, but that post is almost as confusing as one of Tut's actual postings.
quote:Originally posted by P Rowds: soooo... good job on the calls and getting through... but, has anyone asked sandra when the reset will take place? the next trading day? a halt mid-day then straight to 15? will there be a halt for a few days then open? if someone could, call her and ask that... i'm more interested in that than which day is the "correct" filing date...
bump... and whoever is calling ask about the reset... thanks in advance
so.... did anyone end up asking this question to sabra or anyone else at Conversion... or did ppl call and just ask one question and that one being about the 10k?
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: Just a thought, the only reason i believe that is because the 10K has basically everything that the 8K a couple weeks ago had in it, just with a few added bonuses !! It very well could come out on monday, but i believe Rufus may want this stock to hit $5 on its own without the reset taking place, so that he could prove to the Nasdaq that his stock does not need a reset to trade on the NASD. If he resets the price to $15 and everyone decides to sell because they have huge profits it's going to drive the price way down, and then gradually rise again with PR's, by not doing the reset on monday he will drive the price to AT LEAST high $4-$6 range just by the 10K being released. After this a few PR's out and its smooth sailing up to $7-10 range. Then the reset might allow him to post higher than $15 as the stock may already be around $7-10... Just my thoughts.
Thanks for your reply! Posted by thesource on :
Hey guys/gals , this is my 1st post here and I'm a share holder for CSHD as well . I've been on HSM but don't like the fact that if you ask a question or question certain things , that makes you a basher . Hope this site is different and hope we all make a ton of cash Monday !!!
Posted by cassity on :
From HSM: I listened to this first hand, but couldn't hear very well. For those who didn't listen I suggest you read. I don't know how I have missed it this long:
Oct 10th, 2006, 10:19 PM #2 Flipperbw HSM Addict
Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,447 Tut interview on Subpennyradio 10/8. Joining later are Rufus Paul Harris, Sabra Dabbs, and Mike Alexander.
thanks to Dad_Roman for helping me compile this.
- Tut has 20+ years in the financial industry, been involved in numerous other companies
q: are you a shareholder in CSHD?
a: yes, i am, my GROUPS are shareholders.
is not an insider.
- "put it this way, WE have just done some very very thorough due diligence. it doesnt stop with filings, it looks into all the factors involved, for example my reference to the republican party, scientific world foundation (UN is involved)."
can you give insight on what you meant by "teams" ?
a: i don't think its necessary, i have a number of groups im associated with. we arent involved with conversion in any kind of consulting or management way, we have just done very deep and serious due diligence.
in my business, we are from time to time involved in many different public company ventures. we will invest in what we feel are potentially very good opportunities for us. we've had a number of very successful ones, here with conversion, we saw another one.
- says we do a lot of DD, almost overanalyzing, we're all missing the big picture in our DD
- LOOK AT THE 8k filings. go by the 8k filings, go by the interviews. they tell you everything. look at the bigger picture behind this. look at what's involved behind the scenes, rufus is involved with the repub party, raises billions for it, it was for the 9/11 cleanup.
- everyone will be fine, doesnt matter where you hold your certs
"if you want to get access to CVSU's online site, better to have your certs registered in your names"
if you can't do t he Cert thing with your broker, MOVE brokers. but you will still be covered, when it comes to DIVIDENDS, you'll be fine.
"a short will have sold to a short will have sold to a legit shareholder. The ftd's have to be covered in the end. it may sound complex but in the end, it's the final shareholder than has to be covered. literally, you will have a short squeeze. but also, the squeeze is secondary. primary is building of the corp, it's growing extremely fast. NINE BILLION assets to date."
-if the company continues to grow at the pace it is now, i wouldnt even want to throw out figures. the opportunities are almost unlimited with the speed it's growing at now.
- take a look at awards he was given by the repub party, look where the bonds originate out of, the euroclear. there is a lot more financial and POLITICAL power behind this
-company is in reverse merger process, in some ways, it is very similar to IPO. at this stage of the game, the company is with all its filings, every single filing is under a microscope by all the authorities. it's not possible for it to be a scam at this point. when stated that the reset price was $15, the SEC definitely asked PROVE that you can do that.
so for it to be approved, means this has to be real. everything you file is under a microscope before it goes through, many questions asks. you better have the right answers. at that stage, you cant fool the SEC, no matter what you do.
- the final 10k release, the final price reset will complete the merger.
- rufus has nothing to gain here, they can't sell their shares when it is reset.
- how can rufus raise billions in bonds? VERY VERY powerful connections
- goals on a worldwide level will become more and more evident, bigger than it may seem. 10k will be first step in that process. it will reveal TRUE intentions.
- q: scenario seems far too massive to accomplish on own. is it possible they are just a face of a much larger faction, working together? a: good q, briefly touched there already. obviously for someone like rufus to raise the kinds of funds he is, there are some OTHER, very very financially powerful people involved, no question. has connections worldwide, thats becoming fairly obvious. because of his goals in certain worlds and with certain political events, he is able to attract the kind of money that he is.
- this is why i laid that one clue out: trilateral...think about that again.
- what i meant by that, we were talking about powers behind the scenes, whatever ends it may be, world peace, reconstructing countries, stronger powers that are looking for the same goals. because of his connections with those powers and the same philosophies, he is able to attract those powers to help him acheive his ends.
- q: why so much focus on the short squeeze elimination? why not just do what youre going to do? a: as far as the short squeeze goes, rufus knows he has to battle that, same interests that hurt him in broadband. may be more far reaching than we know about right now. this is NOT just a short squeeze, but they are a very very serious enemy here, and they have to be wiped out.
- q: why are you so interested in helping the average shareholder? a: I came into this quite by accident. i've been involved in the fight against the naked shorting over the last few years, but in this case here i, first of all, i normally don't frequent stock forums, this was fairly new to me, the more i got to know the people, I started to take it more personally, its almost as if they became family. and right now, i just want to do what i can to help the shareholders that yes something can be done. all shareholders have the opportunity of a lifetime that they may never see agin. better their lives, their familiy's lives, and they deserve it.
- the brokerage firms would love you to sell if they are short. they might be the ones buying to cover.
tut is saying what TDA is doing is illegal. __________________ Yí qiè yan kàn jiang yào shì qing...
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Oct 10th, 2006, 10:19 PM #3 Flipperbw HSM Addict
Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,447 - one thing everyone has to realize, you are paying the broker for a service, theyre your employee. they have to follow your order. theyre working for you, dont forget that.
- tut was in very similar situation over a year ago. he bought stock in an OTCBB stock that had very serious short position, he wanted delivery of stock. he was beginning to get run around by his broker, saying it would take a while, and he had enough. he got in touch with supervisors, and demanded delivery, said he would take legal action. by pushing for it, and you have legal rights, his shares were delivered.
- rufus is going about the short elimintion in the right way. barriers, unexpected. but he has a plan, rufus is no dummy. he knows what hes doing, i believe hes going to be very successful. (repeats) this is not a SS. when reset happens, there will be a forced ss anyway, k? look at where company is going, rufus has talked enough about it. take it all into consideration. he has some of biggest internatonal banking powers involved.
- q: what is the relevance of the "nephew of the richest man in the world" to the company? a: to that, i will have to say no comment. put it this way, another way of answering is that rufus has very powerful connections, top dignitaries around the world.
- DTing in my experience is the second worst thing next to shorting that hurts companies. if you see a good situation, forget daytrading. in the end, instead of making 2 grand daytrading, you could see the potential to make what could possibly change your life. im going to get some flak on that, I know that.
- he says if people were holding strong, we'd be seeing a pps near the book value
-------enter rufus and sabra---------
- RUFUS DOES NOT KNOW WHO TUT IS
- Rufus, Sabra Dabbs, Tut all on the phone. Sabra is exec VP of humanitarian, she is part of conversion solutions.
- asks question again to rufus about nephew of richest man in the world:
rufus and sabra laugh. they are looking at joint venture WITH HIS UNCLE!!!!
THATS THE RICHEST MAN IN THE WORLD, CSHD is discussing JV with them..
- tut is asked what his expectations are in the future, he says look at growth and speed, he thinks the potential is phenominal. cant pin it down to a share value at this point, except look at assets to date. to date, 9 billion in assets. 72-77 dollar book value.
RUFUS JUMPS In, says MORE THAN THAT.....but he says that is correct. he mentions $15 billion in assets....
they have contracted up to $15 billion, they have not processed them yet. can only process so much at a time...
- rufus: ben stanley and us are working with select MM, what next step is and so and so.
- q: in one of your interviews, you wanted to do everything in one fell swoop. 10k, reset, nasdaq. still want to do that?
rufus a: it has been our goal from day 1 to go straight onto nasdaq. it is the companys goal, they are trying to acheive that. they must maintain more than $50 million market cap for 10 days consecutive, COMPANY HAS ACHIEVED that.
tut: so cshd is ready?
rufus: that is what we are negotiating with the MM for.
- talking about daytrading: rufus says you could be caught with your pants down. lots of people think it creates volume and liquidity... iwant to ask, what are you trading?
- rufus says lots of waatle shares coming into market now
- "can you hint at timeline right now?" also "can you help shareholders understand the potential?"
rufus: majority of waatle shareholders are in. if they went ahead without waatle shareholders ready, there would be problems. (understandable). says they gave them 10 days from press release (how long has it been?)
thats the main holdup we've been waiting on.
- new adp list, but ADP isnt always on time, do not panic.
------enter mike alexander------
- talking about sabra and mike's interaction, they know each other for a very long time.
- q:still on target for big event this week?
two things happened. everyone has flown in to georgia, we've had meetings. some people will be here tomorrow(monday), finalize, shake hands, seal documents.
- current market cap of CSHD is in excess of 100 million. trigger point was a buck 73.
- 138 million range for market cap
- mike says company will be phenominally successful
- mike saying contracts with institional investors should probably be in 10k as well. mike seems to be giving rufus advice here. 10k gives you opportunity to "flaunt" your company.
- the 10k has audited documents of Fronthaul, fronthaul is gone. section following that, with additional notes at what timeframe, current BOOK VALUE, but those financials will NOT BE AUDITED....from the time of june 30th and today they will not be audited.
the bonds on euroclear will be disclosed.
- 10k post june 30th financials will be disclosed but not audited...i imagine 10q will have that __________________ Yí qiè yan kàn jiang yào shì qing...
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Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,447 - mike is asking rufus: what is trigger point when this jack*ss MM's say "we've lost...we gotta start covering these damn shares. rufus kicked our *ss."
rufus: you dont see a battle?
mike: i do...
rufus: everybody, look at whats going on. why so much negativity?
mike: everyone here knows SEC has not done their job. if they did, itd be at over 70.
rufus: at this point, at the time merger agreement was signed, that was IT.
mike: can we beat these jack*sses?
rufus: theyre already beaten.
sabra: beaten.
rufus: taking them a long time to realize, high end brokers are watching it.
mike: do you want people to get certs from brokers
rufus: recommend that you show up on ADP list (we know the rest)
tut: my recommendation was to get them in their names, brokerages HAVE to do that.
rufus: yes, its illegal to not.
mike: you had me at hello. you knew your sh*t. you knew more than i knew. I thank god every day for meeting sabra who brought me to you guys. we can hand it to the shorting brokerage housing *******s.
- rufus says at the beginning, 15 dollars was good. but now that you see potential, you want a reset of 50 dollars. 15 dollars is what the merger says.
mike: when you said 15 per share for my shareholders, i said "where do i sign." (refers to him as "sir") this team will take this company VERY far. thats why I'm long.
- tut is jumping in here: short squeeze is not primary purpose, but the SS, in my understanding, i believe the SS happens with price reset.
rufus: no, thats the short elimination.
- rufus: as of the 29th, no company can LEGALLY hold a short position in this stock. from that point it doesnt matter if nasdaq or otcbb
- reaction to rapid decline in PPS thurs and fri?
rufus: doesnt concern me...
mike: there's a term we've come to know. "it is what it is."
- tut: how far away are we now from 10k/halt/price reset?
within a week. we're waiting on ADP list we requested on the 29th. they told sabra two different stories, first it was from the past, now for future weeks. it should be in their hands on monday.
mike: adp's reputation is shot...
berlin exange question.
tut: practically anyone has the ability to call berlin exchange and say heres a company, take a look at it, and theyll put it on. its very simple, its disgusting.
rufus: and they can affect share price that way.
rufus says hes pretty sure theyre gonna start buying on the berlin exchange, it closed higher on the berlin exchange on friday than it did in the US
- ADP does not handle payroll processing. they complete everything in house. their next step is to bring their own TA in so you can trade through the company on a direct
- legal deadline for 10k...is it friday or monday?
rufus: laughs. if it is not filed, it WOULD be cshde. the deadline is the 15th, falls on a weekend, so its Monday
- everything that's been 8k'ed or pr'ed, they are going to put that in the 10k.
- IF option b is chosen from the merger agreement, shareholders have to give up shares. it was put in as a failsafe.
- about the dividend thing on that website
says "if dividend were to happen, it could happen" likely its not. its not a big deal, mike says. dont DD it, it's kind of a waste
- if you bought after 29th, there will be a PR saying that these are the people you contact to get your shares
- there WILL be a change in the market – rufus
- theyre talking about liabilities now. mike says rufus is a genious, talks about all the things that he's doing with the assets.
- how can you have an asset with no liability?
rufus: wheres the liability?
mike: if i have a billion and give it to rufus, wheres the liability there?
- tut: what are your plans for monday (10/9)?
rufus: meet with caracas group, 4 or 5 meetings with people about these deals.
- why did mike alexander end up with a trillion dollar deal?
mike: because mike alexander is a sneaky SOB. (lol) I said, when the time is right, ill bring my amazon stuff to you, we'll get these losers out of the way (mm's) and we'll get logs from the amazon river. took me a bit longer to actually get a license from brazil, but rufus has the deal. its his deal.
- powerhouse funding: sabra was CEO. one of companies that got her here today.
phfinc.com is site.
- directed to tut: how did you know about various 8ks and pr's?
he says i havent been able to predict them, its based on my due diligence, I expected certain things at certain times.
he says the things he said "fit the timeline....."
- tut asks: when can we expect halt, reset, potential of company?
rufus: (tired) youll see it...in prs and filings.
- how does rufus plan to eliminate shorts without option b in the merger agreement?
mike: merger is complete. new options now.
rufus: it's been done as of the 29th. its over, its done. __________________ Yí qiè yan kàn jiang yào shì qing...
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Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 2,447 mike: its finished.
- google was a big deal.
MIKE: GOOGLE IS AN INFANT COMPARED TO WHAT YOUVE GOT
CSHD is going to blow every other company out of the water, in my opinion -mike
- mike: they think its too good to be true.
- tut: rufus, i have a question. do you foresee a forward split down the road?
rufus; i foresee the stock splitting multiple times.
mike: its a no brainer.
potential is high enough to see forward splits?
rufus: very easily.
- each subsidiary, each JV will get its own symbol, and every shareholder will get shares in those companies.
- diversified portfolio in one stock.
- when will site be updated with new ADP?
if we get it on monday, if ADP is on time....
mike: who gives a flying f*ck about adp? who cares?
- rufus: when everybody has their shares, watch where we go next. have a bottle of champane ready, and sit back. you will have no more questions.
- mike: its bullsh*t shares on the ask right now. theyre selling air.
- rufus: if it goes over 5 bucks, then it hits a whole new range of investors...we've been approached by large corporations
-- Transcription picked up from here by NORTHSTAR --
- Talking about nephew again of richest man
- Could be a huge deal
- Also mentioned that many deals could happen, dont have time to address it right now, could happen soon but cant return all the phone calls
- Talking about brokers again, how they have to legally give the investor what they deserve in terms of value per share, otherwise you have the right to sue.
- In other words, you all are entitled to your money
- Simon: Tut seems to know what he is talking about. Question asked, whether Rufus is certain that he can guarantee 15 dollars per share.
Rufus: Its already done. Documents already received...everything in motion. September 13th official merger completion date. It was done then.
*** - Simon: If Market Makers control price of stock, how will the reset actually work if MMS control both the bid and the ask?
Rufus: In this particular merger, it is an aquisition. Fronthaul aquired CVSU b/c Fronthaul was public, CVSU was private. Fronthaul was at 8/10 per share when they signed the deal. Therefore, fronthaul had higher value share per share in merger than CVSU. Therefore, fronthaul aquired CVSU. One for 1. 111 million shares issued in agreement. Total, including fronthaul float, and the 49 million from Waatle/CVSU. In that process, when one company aquires another one, allowed to recalculate the book value and reset the price of your company through filings because the value of the two companies combined shows more value. Similar to IPO but not the same thing. Just revaluing the new entitity. ***
- When 10k hits, it hits. Do not stress out by watching and getting all frustrated. It will happen...relax everyone.
- They are saying to sit easy, and for us not to overanalyze this.
- Do not involve emotions, remember everything is in the 8ks.
- Simon is saying basically, if you arent confident, sell.
- If you have faith, then have patience and see the reset eventually.
- ADP will deliver information maybe Monday? Sabra said it will probably be monday, however they cannot speak for ADP since ADP promised thursday, friday, etc. however it will still happen when it happens, no guarantees
- NOTE THE TIME : 2:29 AM Rufus: "Watch tomorrow" Tut: "You're starting to sound like me now, rufus!"
- Rufus: Received almost 729 phone calls in 2 days We know people are going to be left out, have problems Dont hesitate to call, and please if you have a problem they will resolve your issues.
- Simon says if you start getting shaken, dont bring out the L2s and dont overanalyze. Either decide to be patient, or just sell. __________________ Yí qiè yan kàn jiang yào shì qing...
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Posted by 10of13 on :
Welcome thesource, I'll be honest here...and with this particular stock...with all the negative games being played..."we" as a board do get very defensive when a new poster comes on board...(Don't we the doctor?) But if you can hang in and not take offense...in time we come around...
Good luck and hope to see ya around...
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Hey guys/gals , this is my 1st post here and I'm a share holder for CSHD as well . I've been on HSM but don't like the fact that if you ask a question or question certain things , that makes you a basher . Hope this site is different and hope we all make a ton of cash Monday !!!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by P Rowds:
quote:Originally posted by P Rowds:
quote:Originally posted by P Rowds: soooo... good job on the calls and getting through... but, has anyone asked sandra when the reset will take place? the next trading day? a halt mid-day then straight to 15? will there be a halt for a few days then open? if someone could, call her and ask that... i'm more interested in that than which day is the "correct" filing date...
bump... and whoever is calling ask about the reset... thanks in advance
so.... did anyone end up asking this question to sabra or anyone else at Conversion... or did ppl call and just ask one question and that one being about the 10k?
prowds.. Yes I did ask that question.
She stated that she could not comment on that however we will know on Mon.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Hey guys/gals , this is my 1st post here and I'm a share holder for CSHD as well . I've been on HSM but don't like the fact that if you ask a question or question certain things , that makes you a basher . Hope this site is different and hope we all make a ton of cash Monday !!!
hi "thesource"
Yes, here what makes us strong is looking at things TOGETHER and picking them apart or seeing if they hold up.
Welcome!
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..Chart? are you and I the board greaters? Posted by Vin on :
Hi board. Just checking to see if some off chance that some news came out. Too bad, would have made my day! Hope you all aren't wasting the weekend away sitting on that board...save that for the rest of the week!
Anyway, hope all is well and lets hope for some news soon! Monday sounds like the day...unless you want to talk about if that's actually the day or not! Posted by thesource on :
So everyone is in agreement that CSHD has not went past the dead line for the 10K to be filed ? I am confused on this because both sides make good arguements . I personally hope Rufus and his posse took the time to make sure they didn't file it late .
Posted by Spooky on :
Hrm I missed this one when it came out... It is slamming CSHD. Forgive me if it was brought up before.
Personally, my shares are staying where they are for the forseeable future because I actually believe in this company. I only post this to make sure the board is aware of it.
quote:Conversion Solutions attracts converts to fluffy promo
2006-10-13 20:33 ET - Street Wire
by Lee M. Webb
Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp., a recently reorganized OTC Bulletin Board company, has attracted a number of cultish converts to its fluffy promotion. The virtually penniless company, which touts colonization of the moon as a future project, claims to have acquired billions of dollars in assets.
Georgia-based Conversion Solutions lays claim to being "a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market."
The company says that its "main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market." (All amounts are in U.S. dollars.)
Notwithstanding the fact that Conversion Solutions has no cash and has not generated any revenue, the company claims that it has billions of dollars worth of bonds.
Rufus Paul Harris, the founder and chief executive officer of Conversion Solutions, has publicly claimed in an Aug. 26 post to an Internet chat site that the company's stock is worth $54 per share.
That $54-per-share valuation, served up after some earlier gobbledegook from Mr. Harris about "resetting" the stock price to $15 per share was in turn superseded by "a new justifiable reorganization release price of $25.63," which would give the cashless startup a market capitalization of approximately $5.5-billion.
Given that Conversion Solutions has reportedly added another $6.25-billion worth of Republic of Venezuela bonds "to the companies (sic) Asset Management Portfolio" since Mr. Harris's airy $54-per-share valuation, it is anyone's guess what he thinks the OTC-BB outfit might be worth now.
Evidently the market does not exactly share Mr. Harris's opinion regarding the value of the newly hatched promotion, but since the company's predecessor, The FrontHaul Group Inc., announced in July that it planned to merge with Conversion Solutions, excitable investors pushed the stock price up from less than 10 cents per share to a relatively lofty $4 per share before it lost some ground.
Apparently Mr. Harris, who has spent several hours chatting it up with some of his Conversion Solutions associates on an Internet radio stock talk program, believes the share price would be much higher, if not for the nefarious short sellers and the scurrilous "bashers" on stock message boards.
While many of the company's cultish followers eagerly embrace Mr. Harris's whimsical public musings about fantastic share prices and other matters including shorters, "bashers" and fanciful future projects, some critics clearly think that Conversion Solutions does not pass the giggle test, let alone the smell test.
Indeed, at least two Internet publications with reputations for sniffing out stinky stocks, Our-Street.com and **********.com, have written scathing reports about Conversion Solutions and have contacted the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) regarding the OTC-BB promotion.
To this point, there has been no indication that the SEC shares the concerns of critics of Conversion Solutions. In the normal course, however, the U.S. regulator does not publicly forecast an investigation in advance of issuing a trading suspension, administrative proceeding or civil suit.
Notwithstanding the lack of any evidence of SEC interest in Conversion Solutions, at least a modicum of skepticism about the company may be understandable.
The relatively brief history of Conversion Solutions is something of a tangled tale involving a handful of key players and several financially challenged companies, all with little, if anything, in the way of a successful track record.
Moreover, some of the company's SEC filings, including audited financial statements, and other public disclosures invite a number of questions.
In future articles, ********** will examine some of the central figures involved with Conversion Solutions and review the information available regarding the predecessor companies that went into the reconstituted OTC-BB promotion.
Meanwhile, members of the company's cult-like following who congregate on Internet chat sites, particularly an insular group of "true longs" who lead the cheerleading and brook no criticism on a site called **************.com, seem to have no reservations at all about Conversion Solutions.
Indeed, many of the company's naive shareholders seem to believe that Mr. Harris actually will "reset" the share price to $15, if not higher, very soon. Some also believe that Conversion Solutions should be trading at $70 or more per share. Some may also believe in the Tooth Fairy.
In any event, Conversion Solutions has been a fairly active stock since the promotion began to ramp up.
Since Conversion Solutions began trading under its new symbol on Aug. 9, approximately 110 million shares with a market value of approximately $187-million have changed hands.
In record trading on Sept. 28 when the stock briefly notched its high of $4, more than 14 million shares worth approximately $39.4-million traded, sending many of the company's excitable Internet followers into a tizzy.
The stock has fallen well off its rather lofty 52-week high of $4, but it is still far above the price of less than a dime that predecessor FrontHaul used to fetch in lacklustre premerger trading.
With almost 1.4 million shares changing hands, Conversion Solutions closed at $2.20 on Oct. 13.
Comments regarding this article may be sent to lwebb***********.com.
quote:Originally posted by Spooky: Hrm I missed this one when it came out... It is slamming CSHD. Forgive me if it was brought up before.
Personally, my shares are staying where they are for the forseeable future because I actually believe in this company. I only post this to make sure the board is aware of it.
[QUOTE]Conversion Solutions attracts converts to fluffy promo
2006-10-13 20:33 ET - Street Wire
by Lee M. Webb *remove the spaces*
I posted a link to this a page or so back. I didn't post the article itself because of the feeble attempt. There is nothing new or even remotely accurate. People like Webb, the lemon and hisstreet should actually be paying members of this board so that they can at least have accurate information to disseminate, instead of the knee jerk reaction writting that they do. None of them have been heard from since they published the unfounded accusations. Oh that's right Timothy Miles does post on I Hub. *************************************************
The due date for the 10K was today the 14th which of course is a weekend, so the filing is due Monday. IMO, the filing was made yesterday after 5:30PM Eastern and therefore will not be released to the Public until Monday. Another Scenario is that it could be filed anytime on Monday including after 5:30PM Eastern and be in complaince even though not released publically until the following day. What Rufus and other officers of CSHD have stated is that they would be in compliance, no "E" would be attached to the symbol.
GLTA Wally
PS: A warm welcome to all new posters. Take no offense if someone challenges a post you might make, as long as you have done sufficent DD it should not be a problem to counter any negativity with links of how you came to your conclusions. This is an excellent board because no one is afraid to discuss multiple view points.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL..Chart? are you and I the board greaters?
well,... looks like it pays well!
Everything is a go peeps! And yes the filing is due on MONDAY, go back a couple pages
Dinner time!!!
Posted by thedoctor on :
Here's an interesting concept from Tygrepath in HSM. Guys I was driving to work this am and was thinking about all the things that have been said..all the Pieces of the puzzle".... rufus has said "hes gonna do something that has never been done" and "scr*w the shorters" tut has said "beyond our wildest dreams" and the other night sabre said "rock wall street" she also said that everything was timing & in the best interest of the shareholders..... other pieces are dividend date 10/13 that no one can explain BV 0f 74/75 with a reset of 15 this is what I think...we open monday with 10k split 5 for 1 (justifying the 75 value to reset of 15 and unexplained dividend date) scr* the shorters 5 to 1..never been done before...all in the best interest of the shareholders!!!!!!!!!!!!! WWWHHHOOOOAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! (there I said it) Could rufus pull it off?? would he? Has it ever been done b4 ..IT makes everything thats been said make sense!!! And if 10/13 was the divi date that explains why the 10k would be filed after close......whadda ya think
Posted by St. Matthew on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Spooky: [QB] Hrm I missed this one when it came out... It is slamming CSHD. Forgive me if it was brought up before.
Personally, my shares are staying where they are for the forseeable future because I actually believe in this company. I only post this to make sure the board is aware of it.
Spooky, I believe Wally posted something about this article a few days ago. It is basically biased trash. The author clearly has, or had an agenda. This board had already done DD on all of this crap weeks ago.
That's what is great about this group of people...once something has been uncovered, investigated, discussed (sometimes argued), and verified as fact by someone on this board, it is pretty much put to bed. That is why I did not include a copy of the article in this response...I did not want to waste anyones time with it.
No offense...you were not sure we had seen it and your contribution is appreciated. Welcome aboard.
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Here's an interesting concept from Tygrepath in HSM. Guys I was driving to work this am and was thinking about all the things that have been said..all the Pieces of the puzzle".... rufus has said "hes gonna do something that has never been done" and "scr*w the shorters" tut has said "beyond our wildest dreams" and the other night sabre said "rock wall street" she also said that everything was timing & in the best interest of the shareholders..... other pieces are dividend date 10/13 that no one can explain BV 0f 74/75 with a reset of 15 this is what I think...we open monday with 10k split 5 for 1 (justifying the 75 value to reset of 15 and unexplained dividend date) scr* the shorters 5 to 1..never been done before...all in the best interest of the shareholders!!!!!!!!!!!!! WWWHHHOOOOAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! (there I said it) Could rufus pull it off?? would he? Has it ever been done b4 ..IT makes everything thats been said make sense!!! And if 10/13 was the divi date that explains why the 10k would be filed after close......whadda ya think
that sounds like logic for rufas to do something like that I can only hope so,
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Just checking in... got a little frustrated listening to all the wild date speculation on Friday... Hopefully a bit of that has been resolved.
I have to comment on that thought Doc... I have a good deal of experience in the pennies. I don't know everything, but I am sure there is a rule about splits, and that they have to be announced. Either forward or reverse they need to be annouced a certain amount of time in advance. I think it is a minimum of 10 days, but until I go research it again I will just say that I know there are rules.
Anyway it is good to think about how this is going to play out. It should help you understand market reaction when things really get moving.
Hope all are enjoying their weekend. I know I am.
See you all Monday or sooner if I find the rules I am going to look for again.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Here's an interesting concept from Tygrepath in HSM. Guys I was driving to work this am and was thinking about all the things that have been said..all the Pieces of the puzzle".... rufus has said "hes gonna do something that has never been done" and "scr*w the shorters" tut has said "beyond our wildest dreams" and the other night sabre said "rock wall street" she also said that everything was timing & in the best interest of the shareholders..... other pieces are dividend date 10/13 that no one can explain BV 0f 74/75 with a reset of 15 this is what I think...we open monday with 10k split 5 for 1 (justifying the 75 value to reset of 15 and unexplained dividend date) scr* the shorters 5 to 1..never been done before...all in the best interest of the shareholders!!!!!!!!!!!!! WWWHHHOOOOAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! (there I said it) Could rufus pull it off?? would he? Has it ever been done b4 ..IT makes everything thats been said make sense!!! And if 10/13 was the divi date that explains why the 10k would be filed after close......whadda ya think
Nice scenario he's layed out there hey doc. Man I believe if that happened it would completely blow everybody's wildest dreams away. I don't see it happening but would love it to happen that way.
Posted by Spooky on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Spooky, I believe Wally posted something about this article a few days ago. It is basically biased trash. The author clearly has, or had an agenda. This board had already done DD on all of this crap weeks ago.
That's what is great about this group of people...once something has been uncovered, investigated, discussed (sometimes argued), and verified as fact by someone on this board, it is pretty much put to bed. That is why I did not include a copy of the article in this response...I did not want to waste anyones time with it.
No offense...you were not sure we had seen it and your contribution is appreciated. Welcome aboard.
None taken, sorry for digging up old news. Thanks for the welcome
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
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Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Does anybody know the timeframe the reset has to occur in after the finalization of the reverse merger? What are the rules governing the reset. My biggist fear right now is that the 10K comes out monday and the halt and reset does not happen til the 10Q or who knows when. I mean right now we have a justifiable price of over $7. And we are still stuck in pennyland over $2. Can Rufus get the pps to climb with a 10k that already has most of the stuff in it that is already out there in 8ks and PRs. I just hope the reset "one fell swoop" plan is still hinging on the 10k.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
thanks alot tax I was going to be dreaming tonight and tomorrow night of holding over 100k shares worth at least 15 bucks a piece. Thanks for P'ing in my cheerios. j/k Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Here's an interesting concept from Tygrepath in HSM. Guys I was driving to work this am and was thinking about all the things that have been said..all the Pieces of the puzzle".... rufus has said "hes gonna do something that has never been done" and "scr*w the shorters" tut has said "beyond our wildest dreams" and the other night sabre said "rock wall street" she also said that everything was timing & in the best interest of the shareholders..... other pieces are dividend date 10/13 that no one can explain BV 0f 74/75 with a reset of 15 this is what I think...we open monday with 10k split 5 for 1 (justifying the 75 value to reset of 15 and unexplained dividend date) scr* the shorters 5 to 1..never been done before...all in the best interest of the shareholders!!!!!!!!!!!!! WWWHHHOOOOAAAA!!!!!!!!!!! (there I said it) Could rufus pull it off?? would he? Has it ever been done b4 ..IT makes everything thats been said make sense!!! And if 10/13 was the divi date that explains why the 10k would be filed after close......whadda ya think
Nice scenario he's layed out there hey doc. Man I believe if that happened it would completely blow everybody's wildest dreams away. I don't see it happening but would love it to happen that way.
And if he did do the split, he would have to have more than 900 mil put aside incase everyone sold, right?
Posted by jmoe20 on :
I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THIS SENARIO jmoe! a more gradual rise to $15 is better for the stock long term any way and I have felt for a while now Rufus has shifted gears in that regard.
jmoe20 New Member
Rate Member posted October 14, 2006 11:25 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello All,
I'm new to this board, but have been watching in the past couple of weeks. I was back in the beginning when this stock was FHAL and was at .075 cents a share. At that time i saw the great trucking news it had regarding doubling its fleet and saw this as a great opportunity to double my money. I bought 8000 shares (wish i held onto them all now ) cause i'd have some dough to play with. I ended up being in the right stock as the merger news came out with CSHD. I sold my shares at $1.03 about 2 months ago? Just trying to make a quick buck and not risk losing it all. I then bought 1000 shares and ive been holding long ever since. I've been watching this all along. THe ups downs, and finally got lucky and bought some more shares when it dipped a couple of days ago to 1.87 (extremely lucky price to get into). Now im here for the ride whether it be good or bad i'm standing by all of you and stretching this stock out to its max. Monday will be the day we will all see this stock explode hopefully off the 10k news to 5-7$ range. I believe the reset will happen when the 10Q comes out, but look for the stock to barrell up to the 7-10$ range before then. Everyone has been in anticipation of the 10K all from the start. Millions of people have sold due to not seeing the 10K on time. Rufus filed the extension and some bought back in others stayed on the side line to watch. When this 10K comes out all the lies and swirls around the stock will be erased and many many people, companies will buy back in, shorts will cover and this stock will soar. Good luck to all and stay on for the ride, I'm sure we will all love our results.... and hey, even if the 10K doesn't come out, i'm sure we all can say we have never made a trade like this in our life... THis is definately a once in a lifetime trade evne already going from .10 centes to $4, it rarely ever happens. Everyone deserves not to be stressed after watching this stock go so hi in such a short period of time. Relax, watch some football, drink some beer and have a great weekend. I'll talk to you all on monday!
Posted by jmoe20 on :
why does it say the message is from jmoe? i posted it. - con
Posted by Spooky on :
that one is from jmoe20 too... try logging out and back in
Posted by 10of13 on :
OT: Dollar, this poster that you mention has some issues if nothing else. She continues to go from board to board and "gets herself banned" but always whines that it is someone else's fault (usually always allstocks fault) She apparently reads this board often, she often makes mention of "us"... she is trouble and it is quite sad, I heard she use to be "good" before going to the darkside or where ever it is that she has landed. It would be nice if she would stop her ranting and take pride in herself and perhaps post some useful and intelligent information instead of the rants...and Manure she slings...because she truly continues to look the fool (shaking my had and having pity
jmoe20...what's the problem?
Posted by Spooky on :
For anyone who's interested, subpennyradio is currently replaying the TUT, Rufus, Sabra interview. Mike shows up too in about 15 mins if I remember correctly.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: OK back to my weekend... enjoy all.
See you all Monday!
You too Tax...see you on Monday.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Doc....
Your head is in the game! That was an excellent idea you had, keep the brianstorming up!
-and hey, maybe we will see that down the road?...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by LucidLight: Does anybody know the timeframe the reset has to occur in after the finalization of the reverse merger? What are the rules governing the reset. My biggist fear right now is that the 10K comes out monday and the halt and reset does not happen til the 10Q or who knows when. I mean right now we have a justifiable price of over $7. And we are still stuck in pennyland over $2. Can Rufus get the pps to climb with a 10k that already has most of the stuff in it that is already out there in 8ks and PRs. I just hope the reset "one fell swoop" plan is still hinging on the 10k.
The halt that is being talked about is a halt for news.
Trading Halts Codes Code Description H.10 Trading Halt - SEC Trading Suspension . The Securities and Exchange Commission has suspended trading in the security until further notice . H.11 Trading Halt - Regulatory Suspension/Cease Trade Order. Trading is halted in conjunction with a foreign securities exchange or market for regulatory reasons.Security is dually listed or registered and a foreign regulatory authority or market halted security. T.1 Trading Halt - News Pending Trading is pending the release of material news. OTCBB issue is a deritive or component of a security which is listed on The Nasdaq Stock Market, U.S. exchange, or foreign market or exchange, and there is a trading halt on the underlying security. T.2 Trading Halt - News Released The news has begun the dissemination process over a major wire service. T.3 Trading Halt - News and Resumption Times The news has been fully disseminated over a major wire service. Two times will be displayed: (1) the time when market makers can enter quotations (2) the time the security will be released for trading. Beginning Monday February 5, 2001, all trade halt and resumption times will be posted in HH:MM:SS format. This is a change to the current format of HH:MM:hundreths of a minute. T.12 Trading Halt - Additional Information Requested by Nasdaq Trading is halted pending receipt of additional information requested by Nasdaq.
Rufus has stated many times the scenario. It's 10K, Halt, reset the price. Nothing was ever mentioned about a 10Q needing to be filed prior to the reset.
GLTA Wally
Posted by dollar13 on :
you are right 10of13 , i remember her BS in XKEM board and i think NDOL board was the other one.
Her influence to the investors seems to work i dont know why, CSHD? for some reason her posts are (bad/good)(and sink the PPS) ,you remember what she did at XKEM board ...
Posted by wallymac on :
OT:From a forum on I Hub:
Posted by: r7315 In reply to: None Date:10/14/2006 2:35:54 PM Post #of 2187
Naked shorting in other countries being stopped...
Posted by: ground_fog In reply to: None Date:10/14/2006 1:07:12 PM Post #of 14445
Naked Shorting and Fails Around the World, US Embarrassed Again
Location: ****s Bud Burrell - Front and Center Posted by: bburrell 10/13/2006 1:46 PM
Japan has announced it is going to Straight Through Processing, and India is doing the same, moving to T+0 shortly. Now it is reported by reliable sources that markets in Europe are shutting down all new naked shorting, and related fails, and forcing gradual liquidation of existing fails.
A company I work with is filing an application for listing on the Offex in London. That Company has been informed that the Offex (similar to our Pink Sheets here) will not permit naked shorting, nor allow fails to deliver.
The AIM market in London is adopting the same rules according to this source, linked to a study began in 2001 by the FSA. The UK has adopted these rules across the board.
Germany has moved to stop all new naked shorting on its exchanges, and is forcing a gradual workout of existing fails.
Switzerland has enforced three day settlement for years without wavering. They don't look very stupid right now.
India's SEBI rejected the DTCC model for its custody system, and permits neither naked shorting nor fails.
Japan's JASDEC has announced it is moving to straight through processing.
So the US and its markets' and regulators' positions on these matters are being roundly rejected globally.
I said some months ago the issue is no longer in doubt. Either the US fixes this horse manure here, or they will not be able to trade in other global environments.
The line forms at the left for the rotten vegetables to be thrown at our pigs. We can always hope they will try to seek retribution against those opposing them. I would personally welcome such an event as a "Retirement Moment", one I can live on and enjoy till I die.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Wally ... I think that's HUGE!!
A world without Naked Shorting and we WILL be rich!!
Those that don't know about naked shorting or FTD's, death spirals and other BS that goes on, please click link below, The "BIG PICTURE" nice little video "THEY" don't want you to see!!!
-stepping out for a night on the town, -with Rufus and Ben, rat and myself...
[don't I WISH!!] Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Wally ... I think that's HUGE!!
A world without Naked Shorting and we WILL be rich!!
Those that don't know about naked shorting or FTD's, death spirals and other BS that goes on, please click link below, The "BIG PICTURE" nice little video "THEY" don't want you to see!!!
-stepping out for a night on the town, -with Rufus and Ben, rat and myself...
[don't I WISH!!]
Chart is that your right hand or your left. LOL
J/K.
Posted by redmax on :
Rufus $5 billion Republican fund raising DD
Ok, I know most people probably missed this in the latest Interview with Rufus, Sabra, Tut and Mike on SPR. When asked about the $5 billion he raised, Rufus, stated something like: "No comment. But I'll tell you what, if you can figure out anything about the Israeli R & R Programs you may learn something."
Like I said he stated this real quickly and it was hard to understand at first. Well I Found this url on Google about a Reasoning and Rehabilitation (R & R) program in the state of Georgia for The Israeli Police forces in helping them deal with terrorist who are incarcerrated in Israeli Prisons. Here is the link. Search it for "Israeli". Just another piece of the ouzzle: http://www.state.ga.us/cjcc/pdf/2002_byrne_ar.pdf Posted by 66inxs on :
never found much info on powerhouse funding. according to a rufus statement sabra was the ceo i believe. some kind of loan operation. ~BB
Posted by 66inxs on :
it appeared that she was running another georgia corporation in the same or similiar business, is chsd one of her "clients" ? i don't know just curious. hope you all hit the big time with this one monday. GLTA.
Posted by 10of13 on :
I'm not able to find much on this...but the link also has no dates no nothin'...all blanks...I'll post if I find anything..
BB tomorrow is the "big day"...enjoy your new addition... Posted by TaxBack04 on :
BB ~ you have seen the web site? It used to be www.phfinc.com but it lookes like the site is now down.
here is a cashed link from Google of a page that has no images.
site was taken down. however i never DD's her ex-pres...
Rufus said something about ..."this was the road that lead her to CSHD."
~BB
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Yeah that is right you get your minature friend tomorrow. Congrats. I am sure it will be love at first sight.
Posted by betting babe on :
heah.
so Lynn Y. Huang is a registered poster in a Porche 968 forum. nice! http://www.968.net/ Posted by redmax on :
Well I just finsihed listening to the rerun of the interview on SPR. Rufus, Sabra, Tut, and Mike basically layed out the entire business plan straight forward. Wow ! I am impressed. Here is the business plan from what I understand it.
- Groups such as H & M Foundation, Cacacus Group etc actually give CSHD these billions of dollars in bonds. CSHD owns these bond, and never has to pay back any of these funds. They are CSHD's assets without liability what-so-ever. Rufus now, as of the last 8k has $9.4 billion in assets under contract. He is looking to up this to $15 billion and may have already done so. If CSHD is ever broken up, each shareholder would be entitled to $94 per share (soon to be $150) in assets.
- Now, you ask, why would these groups give Rufus these huge bonds. This is how it works. CSHD is an asset management company. They take these assets and use them to fund the various large projects they have deals for. Ecowood, AISS, huge government contracts etc. These new projects become separate entities/corporations and go public with shares. Now, this is what the Foundations giving the bonds receive. They receive 40% of the shares in the new spinoff company(s) that their funds were used for. The other 60% of these shares go to us the CSHD shareholders as spinoff shares. The group also receive 40% of the bonds interest they earn (in most cases).
- Now you see that both parties, the CSHD shareholders, and the groups giving the funds to CSHD benefit in big ways. This business plan is genious, and in order for the bond holders to relinquish their bonds in full and give full ownership to CSHD, these deals they have must be huge!
- Also I wanted to clear something up. The merger deal relinquishes Mike Alexanders 51 million shares, and he is then given 14 million shares of the new company. Rufus stated this in the interview and I beleive this is in the merger agreement .
Posted by 66inxs on :
is bladwin investments on the list of shareholders on chsd's list?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Is Sabra looking for a new home? (j/k) http://www.hauteb l o g.com/2006/05/20/california-mansion-hits-the-market-for-75-million/
Posted by 66inxs on :
not until she cashes out !!!!!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
In doing a search of officers of corporation in Georgia under the name of Sabra Dabbs this is what I found.
Also as far as Powerhouse Funding, I believe Sabra is listed as U.S. contact. There is also Someone listed as China Contact. Leads me to believe that Powerhouse Funding is International and not a Georgia Corporation, Just my take. Also there were no signatures or dates on the document that leads me to believe that it was an offer.
During the last Subpenny Radio Interview it was established that Sabra came to CSHD through Mike Alexander. During the interview it was made pretty clear that Sabra and Mike had known each other for quite some time.
GLTA Wally
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
No she was looking for info on that house before she was employed at CSHD. I pulled that link up almost a month and a half ago.
She must have some serious coin.
Posted by 10of13 on :
66 I don't see Bladwin investments...any reason why you ask?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I remember offering up my services as her pool boy at that house the last time we talked about Sabra.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally This company seems dissolved.. CYBER SEARCH, INC Entity Creation Date: 10/9/1996 Dissolve Date: 7/5/1999
But then there are these companies...I wonder if she is still with them?
THE CORPORATE CREDIT FIRM, INC That one has Sabra listed as both CEO and CFO
But it use to be called THE CREDIT FIRM INTL, INC. and Sabra was the secratary then...
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..I remember that now...
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: I remember offering up my services as her pool boy at that house the last time we talked about Sabra.
Posted by 66inxs on :
wallymac good link. where have i heard the name charles eaton before? help me out here !
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Well as far as the 5 Billion donated to the republicans... All I can find is $1500.00 donated in Oct. 2005 and Jan. 2006.
quote: 1,809 . Harris, Rufus P Mr. 8/15/2006 $1,000.00 Adairsville, GA 30103 Conversion Solutions Inc./Chairman [Contribution] NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE [View Image]
1,810 . Harris, Rufus P Mr. 10/24/2005 $500.00 Adairsville, GA 30103 Conversion Solutions Inc./Owner [Contribution] NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE [View Image]
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Here are a few others which are from a bit farther back... Interesting (Mobile Parcel Carriers) looks like a new trail has opened up.
quote: 6,306 . Harris, Paul R Mr. 4/13/2004 $500.00 New York, NY 10019 Mobile Messenger Svc./Owner [Contribution] NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE [View Image]
6,307 . HARRIS, PAUL R MR. 12/22/2003 $300.00 Blauvelt, NY 10913 Mobile Parcel Carriers/President [Contribution] NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE [View Image]
6,308 . HARRIS, PAUL R. 3/20/2001 $300.00 NEW YORK, NY 10019 [Contribution] NATIONAL REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL COMMITTEE CONTRIBUTIONS [View Image]
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
OK... MOBILE PARCEL CARRIERS INC. shows ownership of Dave Harris according to The BBB (Better Business Bureau) but the donation from Paul R. Harris in 2001 is definitely from the address of the courier service. Most likely not OUR Rufas but an interesting lead none the less.
A little off track here but why did he change his name from Paul R. Harris to Rufus Paul Harris ?
Posted by jmoe20 on :
We are roommates... My name is Jared.. jmoe20 is my screen name... thecon00 is my roommate whose been posting here... haha it must have stayed logged in. I'm glad my roommate agrees with me though!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I don't know source, it is not like it is unheard of, but I would suggest you send him an email and ask.
I know he used Paul R. Harris when with BBAN but sometime between that year and current decided to go with Rufas P. Harris.
Personally I think it may have been a decision made after the issues with BBAN in a weak attempt seperate himself from that entire thing. It was a pretty weak attempt if it was one, and I really can't blame him with the mud slinging that was involved in that.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
For what it is worth he has never denied his invovement in BBAN and infact talks about it in detail when asked.
I think he also mentioned death threats in the past following BBAN. Another good reason to change your moniker.
Posted by milliam on :
Here's one more that pops up for Sabra if you search by registered agent. I don't have any info, but thought I'd throw out another company she's dealt with.
Date: 10/14/2006 View Filed Documents (Annual Registration History etc.)
Limited Liability Company - Domestic - Information
Control No.: 0350381 Status: Automated Administrative dissolution/Revocation
Entity Creation Date: 9/11/2003 Dissolve Date: 7/9/2005 Jurisdiction: GA Principal Office Address: 30 PRINCETON WAY COVINGTON GA 30016 Principal Mailing Address: No Address
Why wont they just psot the damn 10k already? Is this another BS SLJB?
Posted by atthebank on :
everything takes time, the 10-k might already be filed but we wont know about it until monday A.M.. sljb is a pink sheet stock and cshd is an O.B. stock there is a big difference in reporting between the two, sljb can get away with a lot more then an o.b. stock... this is nothing like sljb, patience to the deadline... Posted by Jenna on :
I jus felt like reposting this.....
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I said this before- this is my theory may be crazy but what do you think?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Everyone chill!!! Rufus knows what he is doing!! I'm pretty sure he knows when the deadline is.
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!!
Call me crazy but that's what I beleive & that's why I think Ruf, Sab, & Ben have all said to people that we are going to be REALLY happy!
I think this could even get up to $30 with in a few days of the reset,(maybe even the same day?)
I just have a feelin'. Haven't had a strong feelin' like this in a while!!!
Am I crazy or super optomistic, or may have somethin' here?
Posted by atthebank on :
You're Right on jenna, great attitude and optimistic, wall street will be suprised on monday... Posted by Jenna on :
atthebank Posted by Jenna on :
************************************************* Good night all!!!
May you have:
Champagne Wishes & Cavair Dreams!!!!!!!!!!!!
**************************************************
Posted by TimW on :
quote:I think this could even get up to $30 with in a few days of the reset,(maybe even the same day?)
Id wet myself if that happened.
Posted by dog on :
$30 is peanuts compared to where this could end up in the future........
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW:
quote:I think this could even get up to $30 with in a few days of the reset,(maybe even the same day?)
Id wet myself if that happened.
You better put on a diaper!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW:
quote:I think this could even get up to $30 with in a few days of the reset,(maybe even the same day?)
Id wet myself if that happened.
You better put on a diaper!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Wally ... I think that's HUGE!!
A world without Naked Shorting and we WILL be rich!!
Those that don't know about naked shorting or FTD's, death spirals and other BS that goes on, please click link below, The "BIG PICTURE" nice little video "THEY" don't want you to see!!!
-stepping out for a night on the town, -with Rufus and Ben, rat and myself...
[don't I WISH!!]
Chart is that your right hand or your left. LOL
J/K.
Oh you are SO on the payback list!! ha ~~ Posted by 10of13 on :
Chart..did you put the cowboy hat and lipstick on before you left?
Monday is comin'...enjoy your last few hours guys...next week will be do or die... (C'mon Rufus..let's make it a DO!)
Posted by a surfer on :
All right chart I deserve it.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Can someone explain to me what "The Reset means?"
Thanks In Advance
Posted by Chartwalker on :
10... STOP talking to New2stocks! LOL ~~
and surfer... I was kidding... "I don't care what hand you use, just "get'r dun!" LMAO ~
"How do ya like me now!!"
After that comment now I NEED to go to church! ha ha ~~
Later peeps! Posted by Vin on :
Good morning everyone.
With Monday now right around the corner, I'm trying to play through various scenarios and what I would do in response to them. The overriding question I have still has to do with MM manipulation. "IF" we don't go to Nas, then MM's will still be in full control, correct? My concern is based on history...where a 200 share sale drops the price .05 -.10 for no reason. If this does reset to $15, and if MM's are still in control, I can see this thing dropping to $2 again in a matter of 30 minutes. This stock in my opinion is already undervalued, but that doesn't seem to bother them at all. At $15, I'm sure it still wouldn't bother them, so why not drop it as well. I know Rufus indicates that they have people ready to buy, but for some reason, I don't find a lot of comfort in that. Does anyone know of any history where a reset has taken place and institutional buyers came to the rescue to hold the price? Rufus has opened up a can of worms with these MM's on naked shorting...maybe they have an ax to grind with Rufus.
Anyway, not bashing at all, but these are the questions that keep going through my mind. Any thought???
Posted by a surfer on :
Posted by: rookiecrd1 In reply to: Rich1225 who wrote msg# 99808 Date:10/15/2006 9:32:27 AM Post #of 99841
Then I'm sure the bashers will move to other aspects of the company tryign to put doubt in everyones minds.
The bashers said:
This stock will never go over $1 - IT DID This stock will never go over $2 - IT DID They will never issue audited financials - THEY DID The Bonds are fake and they don't own them - THEY DO
There will never be a 10k - LOOK TOMMOROW!
Why would anyone take their word on this crap.
I like this post and its true
Posted by cassity on :
Here is a early Christmas song from HSM:
Originally Posted by CaptainSolo Almost there! I feel like a spoiled brat waiting for Santa Claus on Christmas Eve! ( I ALWAYS got what ever I wanted, and I usually stii do!)
Better watch out Better not cry Better be good I'm tellin you why
Rufus Claus is a commin to town.
He's made his NOBO list and checked it twice the MM's been naugty and the Share holders nice Rufus claus is commin to town
With a big 10K, and reset too Gonna leave the shortiew, covered in poo Rufus claus is commin to town
He know if you been shorting He know's if you have bashed he'll take care of all us longs with great big bags of cash!!!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Good morning everyone.
With Monday now right around the corner, I'm trying to play through various scenarios and what I would do in response to them. The overriding question I have still has to do with MM manipulation. "IF" we don't go to Nas, then MM's will still be in full control, correct? My concern is based on history...where a 200 share sale drops the price .05 -.10 for no reason. If this does reset to $15, and if MM's are still in control, I can see this thing dropping to $2 again in a matter of 30 minutes. This stock in my opinion is already undervalued, but that doesn't seem to bother them at all. At $15, I'm sure it still wouldn't bother them, so why not drop it as well. I know Rufus indicates that they have people ready to buy, but for some reason, I don't find a lot of comfort in that. Does anyone know of any history where a reset has taken place and institutional buyers came to the rescue to hold the price? Rufus has opened up a can of worms with these MM's on naked shorting...maybe they have an ax to grind with Rufus.
Anyway, not bashing at all, but these are the questions that keep going through my mind. Any thought???
Good questions Vin...I have been running these and others through my head for days / weeks. I believe the key will be going to the Nasdaq, in which case the shorts have 24 or 48 hours to cover. I do believe there will be additional PR's put out shortly. For example, there is some verbal discussion from the company of 5+ billion more in bond assets that have not been 8-K'd (FWIW). That would bring us to the 15 billion dollar (book value) amount that was mentioned (briefly) during the SPR interview last week.
I have even thought about the forward split scenario that Doc put out there. They could say that we will receive additional shares if we held shares on the date of the announcement and on a date in the future (say 2 weeks). This would prevent most current shareholders from selling at re-set. Rufus did say the other night that he could see this stock splitting multiple times.
One thing to think of...Rufas and company do not seem to be terribly worried about things after the re-set. They almost seem giddy about what is about to happen. We will know a lot more tomorrow. We have trusted CSHD up to now...we might just have to do it again. Posted by TaxBack04 on :
OK St. Matt, Vin, Doc, and Ryan, now I think you are all are closer to a rule following senario that I can buy into.
First and foremost Vin the 10-K alone will make a difference when it comes to smart money entering the game. Most investment software and alert programs are attuned to looking for Audited financials filed in the yearly 10-K and quarterly 10Q than anything posted in an 8K. Once that 10-K gets filed alot of eyes will get opened by alot of investors both big and small. Frankly, the numbers for FHAL were poor at best, and these numbers changing on Monday to reflect CSHD and their assets will be something to bank on. Follow it up immediatly with a Reset. Then you throw in a PR talking about NASDAQ qualification, and a possible listing in say 30 to 60 days. Last you throw in a PR annoucement of a forward split or dividend justifying the book value and give everyone 10 days notice.
That would would insure very few sales following reset since all will wait on their new shares, and speculation of a 30 day play to NASDAQ.
Stretching things out a bit, but providing short term holders reason to become long term holders. Gives the shorts a hard deadline to cover before NASDAQ and a chance to do so before a forward split. Causing a short squeeze that eleveates the reset. Additionally, it plays by the rules, is great for us long term shareholders and the company as a whole.
Ryan, use milk on those Cheerios buddy, it tastes better.
What ever the senario I have full confidence that Rufus's plan begins tomorrow. Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: OK St. Matt, Vin, Doc, and Ryan, now I think you are all are closer to a rule following senario that I can buy into.
First and foremost Vin the 10-K alone will make a difference when it comes to smart money entering the game. Most investment software and alert programs are attuned to looking for Audited financials filed in the yearly 10-K and quarterly 10Q than anything posted in an 8K. Once that 10-K gets filed alot of eyes will get opened by alot of investors both big and small. Frankly, the numbers for FHAL were poor at best, and these numbers changing on Monday to reflect CSHD and their assets will be something to bank on. Follow it up immediatly with a Reset. Then you throw in a PR talking about NASDAQ qualification, and a possible listing in say 30 to 60 days. Last you throw in a PR annoucement of a forward split or dividend justifying the book value and give everyone 10 days notice.
That would would insure very few sales following reset since all will wait on their new shares, and speculation of a 30 day play to NASDAQ.
Stretching things out a bit, but providing short term holders reason to become long term holders. Gives the shorts a hard deadline to cover before NASDAQ and a chance to do so before a forward split. Causing a short squeeze that eleveates the reset. Additionally, it plays by the rules, is great for us long term shareholders and the company as a whole.
Ryan, use milk on those Cheerios buddy, it tastes better.
What ever the senario I have full confidence that Rufus's plan begins tomorrow.
Didn't rufus say something along the lines of nasdaq, prs, 10k, etc all in one fell swoop. Which leads me to believe that we'll be on the nasdaq shortly. Why would there even be a 30 day wait?
Posted by beatheodds on :
What is the penality of not posting the 10K tomorrow?
Posted by 10of13 on :
They would have an "E" added to their symbol until the file...but Rufus, Sabra and all have said that they will be compliant...they will file...
Ace...the reset means that they will "stop the trading" and adjust their PPS according to their new assets and restart the trading... What happens after that is up to the market...and the view of the investors (as far as up or down)...we are hopin' for UP! Wally posted a link as far as the type of "halts" about 4 pages back in this thread...
quote:Originally posted by beatheodds: What is the penality of not posting the 10K tomorrow?
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: OK St. Matt, Vin, Doc, and Ryan, now I think you are all are closer to a rule following senario that I can buy into.
First and foremost Vin the 10-K alone will make a difference when it comes to smart money entering the game. Most investment software and alert programs are attuned to looking for Audited financials filed in the yearly 10-K and quarterly 10Q than anything posted in an 8K. Once that 10-K gets filed alot of eyes will get opened by alot of investors both big and small. Frankly, the numbers for FHAL were poor at best, and these numbers changing on Monday to reflect CSHD and their assets will be something to bank on. Follow it up immediatly with a Reset. Then you throw in a PR talking about NASDAQ qualification, and a possible listing in say 30 to 60 days. Last you throw in a PR annoucement of a forward split or dividend justifying the book value and give everyone 10 days notice.
That would would insure very few sales following reset since all will wait on their new shares, and speculation of a 30 day play to NASDAQ.
Stretching things out a bit, but providing short term holders reason to become long term holders. Gives the shorts a hard deadline to cover before NASDAQ and a chance to do so before a forward split. Causing a short squeeze that eleveates the reset. Additionally, it plays by the rules, is great for us long term shareholders and the company as a whole.
Ryan, use milk on those Cheerios buddy, it tastes better.
What ever the senario I have full confidence that Rufus's plan begins tomorrow.
Tax, this is exactly what I have been thinking for several weeks. I'm not real worried because I know Rufus has a plan and he is very confident it will work. GLTY and is it Monday yet!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by beatheodds: What is the penality of not posting the 10K tomorrow?
Not going to happen...but to answer your question, they get an "E" added to their symbol and the road back to being a Nasdaq stock gets a lot tougher.
They have promised (many times) that they will meet the deadline and Monday will make us all happy. Don't know about you...but I plan on doing a happy dance at my desk tomorrow (to borrow a phrase from Tax). Posted by St. Matthew on :
oops...sorry (deleted a double post)
Posted by Vin on :
Thanks for the feedback everyone. Here's a scenario I haven't really thought about...how great would it be that the exact opposite occured, great 10k and everyone held after reset! Can you imagine the impact on the PPS then. Ok, it's dreamland, but it's fun to think about!
Posted by a surfer on :
vin I don't think its dreamland. I plan on holding. The 10K will give investors that much more reason to hold.
I am sure some people will sell a % of their shares but I sure wouldn't want to be the person that sold all and then missed the boat to da moon.. LOL Had to throw that in there.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Didn't rufus say something along the lines of nasdaq, prs, 10k, etc all in one fell swoop. Which leads me to believe that we'll be on the nasdaq shortly. Why would there even be a 30 day wait?
Igor R ~ I think going to NASDAQ is and always has been CSHD's goal, but there are rules that have to be followed, and Rufas or any CEO for that matter have to play by those rules. We have been looking for 2 months now for any example of a reverse merger where the company went directly to the larger exchange with very little luck. (I will admit that it is dificult to tell this information historically unless it is filed with the SEC. Heck finding the reverse mergers themselves is difficult.) This is not the type of information that is visible on a chart or in historical pricing so scanners are of little help locating them.
I have personally watched two companies "go public" via IPO from the inside. I do know the reverse merger method is easier, cheaper, and faster, but I honestly do not know how much leverage they buy by going public via reverse merger.
What I do know is that there are strict rules to listing on NASDAQ. Both in corporate communication of the event, and formal listing requirements. How fast Rufus can move CSHD to NASDAQ probably is not limited by how fast he wants his company listed, but more likely how fast all requirements can be met and marked satisfied by NASDAQ.
Rufas at one point early on mentioned a possible NASDAQ listing following 30 to 60 days after the reset. Granted this was back when he anticipated the 10-K and Reset on Aug 1st, but I honestly think this was a good estimate of time Rufus felt it would take to meet the NASDAQ requirements.
I do not plan on seeing this security on NASDAQ next week, but if by some crazy loophole of wonderful genius pre-planning by Rufus that is does. I am not going to be upset. Not one little bit.
Just not expecting it.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Thanks for the feedback everyone. Here's a scenario I haven't really thought about...how great would it be that the exact opposite occured, great 10k and everyone held after reset! Can you imagine the impact on the PPS then. Ok, it's dreamland, but it's fun to think about!
Vin...This is what I'm hoping for...really! Think about how high the share price would go to if we had a great 10-K, a couple PR's about new bonds, JV's, etc., a PPS re-set and a move to Nasdaq and none of us sold our shares...with the pending short squeeze and the institutions wanting to get in on this, we could shoot to the moon. Let's spread the word.
Let's create a scenario like the war scene in Braveheart when the enemy is bearing down on them and Mel Gibson is saying "Hold it...hold it...hold it". An then, once we get to $300 per share, we all release the hounds at once while shouting......"F-R-E-E-D-O-M-!!!".
Posted by redmax on :
One thing you guys don't realize. The 10k is not going to be "great" in a sense because its just the same as the 8k with the audited financials up until the 30th of June. We already know 95% of what will be in it.
What we need to be great is what follows the 10k, the 10q, reset, nasdaq, etc.
Posted by bigstocks on :
Hi everyone, doing some reading on Nas listing while watching the Chargers-49ers. Dont know if it was posted before but heres the link. http://www.nasdaq.com/about/LegalComplianceFAQs.stm Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
quote:Originally posted by redmax: One thing you guys don't realize. The 10k is not going to be "great" in a sense because its just the same as the 8k with the audited financials up until the 30th of June. We already know 95% of what will be in it.
What we need to be great is what follows the 10k, the 10q, reset, nasdaq, etc.
Yeah you're prolly right Redmax. The 10K will only cover things that we already know and have speculated on... the only thing different is that it will have AUDITED finacials with the SEC, further VERIFICATION of the bonds CSHD holds, maybe a few other GOODIES we haven't yet found out about, and will only usher in the move to the NASDAQ... I guess now that I think about it... I could care less... ROFL!!! Posted by Ace of Spades on :
When is the 10k supposed to come out ? ? ?
Posted by bigstocks on :
Mon
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: everybody do the rufus dance!
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LET'S BREAK THIS WALL WOOOOT WOOOOOT!
cmon baby throw me triple dollas!
new highs let's see em let's get 'er done!!!
~BB
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by bigstocks: Mon
What makes you think the 10k is comming out on Moday ? ? ?
Posted by bigstocks on :
Try and answer a question. Geeze
Posted by redmax on :
The 10k has to come out Monday to be in compliance with the SEC. Rufus said they will have it done by monday. All the 10k will be is the same audited financials we got in the 8k 2 weeks ago plus information abotu salaries, etc. What we really need is the 10q which will have the happens after June 30th. This could come any time between now and Nov 15th.
I have a feeling they will release almost everything at once. 10k, 10q, halt nasdaq, maybe divi, and reset
Posted by bigstocks on :
Read the threads.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by bigstocks: Read the threads.
"Read the Threads" thats brilliant !
The whole point of asking a question is so that someone that already knows the answer, can politely save me some time, and answer it...Like the person before your post Posted by bigstocks on :
Yawn.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Posted by 10of13 on :
Ace, I think that if you simply read the last 4-5 pages then you will get a small bit of what is going on with this particular play.
Share holders have been promised the 10k by tomorrow...they have claimed that they will be compliant. In order to understand everything you will unfortuately have to read the 8K's that have been filed since June. I am sure that it would be easier for you to "listen" to what all of our answers are...but good DD shouldn't be placed on a posters "word"...You should never invest just because someone said so... read the 8K's from June on...and GLTY.
Posted by bigstocks on :
Then you could ask the question why do you believe that and on and on..
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Thanks 10 of 13,
I'm a semi-fast reader. I might as well read the whole thread. I traded this twice as a day trade without realy knowing anything about it, becasue it was realy flying. But I'll read the thread and see how it does Monday Morning.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Ace there are four other threads before this one that go back about two months if your really feel ambitious. GLTA
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Tax I tried milk this morning much better. Ok ready for this one. This is a long shot also. Last week rufus said they were waiting on a document that would put an end to naked shorting on cshd. What if it was exceptance to be listed on the nasdaq after the release of the 10k. How do you like that for dreaming Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by redmax: One thing you guys don't realize. The 10k is not going to be "great" in a sense because its just the same as the 8k with the audited financials up until the 30th of June. We already know 95% of what will be in it.
What we need to be great is what follows the 10k, the 10q, reset, nasdaq, etc.
I think we are ALL aware of the contents of the 10-K and if you don't believe almost a Billion in assets compared with the last 10Q that shows a near bankrupt company is not "Great" well you need to lower your standards a bit.
Just because it shows everything we are all aware of does not mean that it will not make a BIG impact on the rest of the world when they see it. Only durring research do you comb through the 8K's of a company to see the recent material events have happened.
10-K and 10KSB's are yearly snapshots and are much more useful when making a long term investment choices. This is the main reason the numbers from these documents are used for the company prospectus.
Granted, us shareholders will not find this as a perfect buy-in point, but I think you will be surprised by how many other investors will show up for the sole reason that this long awaited is finally filed. A 10-K in the cabinet lowers the risk factor by a factor of ten easy. Not to mention it will be yet another of Rufus's promises that will come true leaving the bashers and shortie in the wind.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
ok betting time. This is just out of curiosity. Doesn't matter the time of day. Who thinks they will file the 10k tomorrow? Are you 50/50, 90/10. Right now I'd say I'm 70/30 at the moment maybe more like 80/20 that they will file tomorrow.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Tax I tried milk this morning much better. Ok ready for this one. This is a long shot also. Last week rufus said they were waiting on a document that would put an end to naked shorting on cshd. What if it was exceptance to be listed on the nasdaq after the release of the 10k. How do you like that for dreaming
I did not say instant listing was not possible... just not high on my expectations. It would be HUGE if he pulled that off. Blowing the freaking ceiling off this stock and making other seemingly unreachable goals like a PPS in the hundreds "very" possible.
Enjoy your Cheerios... and the lofty dreams. Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: ok betting time. This is just out of curiosity. Doesn't matter the time of day. Who thinks they will file the 10k tomorrow? Are you 50/50, 90/10. Right now I'd say I'm 70/30 at the moment maybe more like 80/20 that they will file tomorrow.
Me 100/0 I think they will have it out pretty early.
Posted by bigstocks on :
After reading the requirements again for the Nas I also think its very possible. JMHO of course
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Wow 10...
"NICE PIC!" Posted by 10of13 on :
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quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Wow 10...
"NICE PIC!"
Posted by frank021474 on :
in your profile- that dogs a monster Posted by 10of13 on :
That dog is a 9 month old sweet cuddle bug puppy!!! LOL He can rest his chin on the kitchen counter... And New2 put a pic of her dog up also. Speaking of puppies...BB?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: ok betting time. This is just out of curiosity. Doesn't matter the time of day. Who thinks they will file the 10k tomorrow? Are you 50/50, 90/10. Right now I'd say I'm 70/30 at the moment maybe more like 80/20 that they will file tomorrow.
Me 100/0 I think they will have it out pretty early.
I'm at 110%.
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
10, what part of Ohio? I'm originally from Columbus.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Stockter, near Toledo, I lived in Texas for a while also...but am originally from here..and came back...butI haven't figured out why I came back... Oh yeah...my mom...who then moved to Michigan...hmmmmaybe she's trying to tell me somethin'.. Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: That dog is a 9 month old sweet cuddle bug puppy!!! LOL He can rest his chin on the kitchen counter... And New2 put a pic of her dog up also. Speaking of puppies...BB?
10 beautiful dog! We adopted a puppy from animal shelter. A Retriever mix. They said she would only be 50-60 lbs. She's 110lbs. now full grown.
She loves our little 6 month baby girl. I'll have to post a pic.
Posted by 10of13 on :
They said she would only be 50-60 lbs. She's 110lbs. now full grown. Somebody was a little off on the breed heh? Does she resemble mine? Post the pic of her...she may be a Leonberger and not a retriever mix...but both are awesome with children!
You can post a pic from this website... http://tinypic.com Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
See ya'll tomorrow morning. It's going to be an awesome day!
Posted by redmax on :
I can honestly say I am 99.5% confident the 10k will come out tommorow. There is no reason for them not to release it. They already released most of the info in the 8k, why would they shoot themselves in the foot?
Posted by 10of13 on :
I agree redmax! I have been confused as to why they haven't at this point...they say there is a reason...but it is time! C'mon Rufus...we await the 10K!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: ?
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Wow 10...
"NICE PIC!"
New2stocks told me you had one with your dog, so I looked. Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Tax I tried milk this morning much better. Ok ready for this one. This is a long shot also. Last week rufus said they were waiting on a document that would put an end to naked shorting on cshd. What if it was exceptance to be listed on the nasdaq after the release of the 10k. How do you like that for dreaming
I did not say instant listing was not possible... just not high on my expectations. It would be HUGE if he pulled that off. Blowing the freaking ceiling off this stock and making other seemingly unreachable goals like a PPS in the hundreds "very" possible.
Enjoy your Cheerios... and the lofty dreams.
I agree with you completely Tax. When I made the pee in cheerio's comment I was joking, because what a nice dream the scenario that the doctor brought over. I don't think it's very feasable for an instant listing on the nasdaq happen. I'd love it and wish for it, but don't really believe it.
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I agree redmax! I have been confused as to why they haven't at this point...they say there is a reason...but it is time! C'mon Rufus...we await the 10K!
I have always thought there is a reason...this company seems to do nothing without a reason.
The 10K has been done for a long time. Rufus has repeatedly stated that.
Posted by Vin on :
It is definitely, without a doubt, the absolute last chance that I'm giving Rufus to get this 10k out. Emotionally, I just can't take any more of this day to day ride that we've been on for much too long now. This is by far the most confident that I've been that it will come out. Personally, the fact that he or others are "not" on the radio tonight trying to talk their way out of another one or trying to explain everything that needs to be done is a great sign...let the 10k speak for itself.
Sleeping may be a little tough tonight as I play the various scenarios through my head again and again, but tomorrow will be very interesting one way or the other.
Posted by 10of13 on :
There's got to be a reason!! I am hopeful that it is a HUGE reason!.... Port? Numbers at Paltalk? Don't you think they are rather high?
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I agree redmax! I have been confused as to why they haven't at this point...they say there is a reason...but it is time! C'mon Rufus...we await the 10K!
I have always thought there is a reason...this company seems to do nothing without a reason.
The 10K has been done for a long time. Rufus has repeatedly stated that.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Did new say what kind of dog she has. Looks like an australian sheep dog.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Australian Cattle Dog, she says that she is very sweet!!!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by redmax: One thing you guys don't realize. The 10k is not going to be "great" in a sense because its just the same as the 8k with the audited financials up until the 30th of June. We already know 95% of what will be in it.
What we need to be great is what follows the 10k, the 10q, reset, nasdaq, etc.
Yes, but it is my understanding that they can add footnotes into the financials about the (already signed) deals that will be listed in the 10-Q next month. Sort of a glimpse at the future audited financials. Posted by RyanPBF on :
what are they talking about at pal talk 10?
Posted by wallymac on :
Alright let's really look at the reason the 10K hasn't been filed.
First, Rufus has stated that it is done and could be filed anytime they want to. So why haven't they filed it?
Some think it's because they will immediately move to NASDAQ, it's possible.
Some think that they will immediately announce a dividend, but how will this stop the shorts wince it takes 10 days notice for this to happen. It would just give the shorts 10 more days to cover.
So what else could it be. Keep in mind Sabra words of hitting Wall Street like a napalm bomb.
Also Rufus has stated that many more deals were on the talbe but had not been signed.
What can we logically deduce from this?
They have been waiting for the deals to be signed sealed and delivered. IMO, once the 10K, which we all already know the content of, is released we will see a barrage of PR's and 8K's like never seen before. It makes the most sense, since the biggest hurdle at this point is supporting the price after reset. In order to support the PPS after reset new bonds and new deals like the Amazon log deal, which to this point was not a done deal and not PRed by CSHD, will be what supports the PPS.
Could you imagine the effect a 10K followed by 3 or 4 Pr's on the same day would have?
Yes this is specualtion but it is speculation based on information that we have been given.
Looking forward to tommorrow.
GLTA Wally
Posted by tyleemary on :
They will file for extension. Then the price will drop and I will buy more.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Ryan..they are listening to SPR (nothing major) and they are throwing guesses of PPS at christmas time around...VERY HIGH #'s...kinda make me feel like I am in the twilight zone..LOL
It would be awesome if they were right!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Wally very close to my thoughts...this thing is flying one way or the other...i simply can not imagine why all of these bashers and people have been attacking so hard...and why Rufus has stood tall...Tomorrow and this week is going to be a very defining moment for this stock! I am very excited!!! Let's get 'er done!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: ok betting time. This is just out of curiosity. Doesn't matter the time of day. Who thinks they will file the 10k tomorrow? Are you 50/50, 90/10. Right now I'd say I'm 70/30 at the moment maybe more like 80/20 that they will file tomorrow.
I'm hoping its already been filed and will show up bright and early in the morning !!! If Rufus drags his ass tomorrow , he deserves this company to go into the toilet . It will be no ones fault but his own !!!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I agree redmax! I have been confused as to why they haven't at this point...they say there is a reason...but it is time! C'mon Rufus...we await the 10K!
I have always thought there is a reason...this company seems to do nothing without a reason.
The 10K has been done for a long time. Rufus has repeatedly stated that.
Great point Portman...the 10-K has been done for quite some time...they delayed this for something...whether it be news, a new JV, leverage against something / somebody (the shorts), a move to Nasdaq...something big will drop tomorrow (or very soon)...I'm almost convinced of it.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Stock...just a little harsh...but tylee...there are no other extensions...
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by tyleemary: They will file for extension. Then the price will drop and I will buy more.
You are a moron basher, get out of here now. Thanks man! If you knew anything they can't file for another extension.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well I'm hoping that it was filed friday at like 6-7pm so we wouldn't see it until first thing tomorrow. I hope we all get what we want and deserve
Posted by VoodooNola on :
paltalk info
room: monkeys humping a football pass:rufus
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Ryan ~ I know I was just giving you a hard time. It had been a while since I heard the "Who pissed in your Cheerios?" comment. I had a pretty good laugh over that post.
Posted by 10of13 on :
NP stocktrader...I think that we all are... Posted by Chartwalker on :
tyleemary, they can't file for another extention.
10, Rufus and Ben have been talking about how CSHD will be the next Google for some time, and... with the way they have put deals together and are only starting to get the ball rolling, yes I'm starting to believe in 3 digit PPS after the flippers and profits are taken after reset.
I think that long term thinking is what helped sigh those world banks to Rufus, and "if" they are seeing "the big picture" then those institutions you can bet will buy EVERY share they can after the reset at $15.
All this is just talk, but based in facts...
Depending on what we hear this week (!!!) will tell us alot about what CSHD is REALLY all about IMO...
Posted by betting babe on :
he's totally tuckered out from his ride in the cargo bay from virginia to nyc. he's sound asleep on my lap like a little angel.
he grew - he's the length of a hotdog bun. a very fluffy hotdog bun LOL
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: That dog is a 9 month old sweet cuddle bug puppy!!! LOL He can rest his chin on the kitchen counter... And New2 put a pic of her dog up also. Speaking of puppies...BB?
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Nice job Wally...I like it!
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Alright let's really look at the reason the 10K hasn't been filed.
First, Rufus has stated that it is done and could be filed anytime they want to. So why haven't they filed it?
Some think it's because they will immediately move to NASDAQ, it's possible.
Some think that they will immediately announce a dividend, but how will this stop the shorts wince it takes 10 days notice for this to happen. It would just give the shorts 10 more days to cover.
So what else could it be. Keep in mind Sabra words of hitting Wall Street like a napalm bomb.
Also Rufus has stated that many more deals were on the talbe but had not been signed.
What can we logically deduce from this?
They have been waiting for the deals to be signed sealed and delivered. IMO, once the 10K, which we all already know the content of, is released we will see a barrage of PR's and 8K's like never seen before. It makes the most sense, since the biggest hurdle at this point is supporting the price after reset. In order to support the PPS after reset new bonds and new deals like the Amazon log deal, which to this point was not a done deal and not PRed by CSHD, will be what supports the PPS.
Could you imagine the effect a 10K followed by 3 or 4 Pr's on the same day would have?
Yes this is specualtion but it is speculation based on information that we have been given.
Looking forward to tommorrow.
GLTA Wally
Nice job Wally...I like it!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
BB, got a name yet?...
Posted by a surfer on :
Congrats and good luck with your new baby BB.
Boy is everyone excited for CSHD??????
Its gonna be either instant gratification or a nail biter depending on the time of 10K release.
I hope rufus isn't too brutal on us.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
surf.. The thought of going through a whole day without the filing would be hell! I can't see why he would do that to us, I for one think we'll see it right away.
I HOPE.. -and not after hours, that would suck....
--and now to "try" to get some sleep lol ~ riiiiight ~ Posted by betting babe on :
Milo. but im thinking of changing it to Shredder
i expect a 10K tomorrow. i dont expect it to contain earth-shattering info, since weve already seen a lot in the 8k however, it will be yet another milestone that rufus will have met.
and give credibility to the company so we should see a rise in the pps.
does anyone know what time it should show up if it was filed over the weekend? ~BB
Posted by tyleemary on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Stock...just a little harsh...but tylee...there are no other extensions...
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by tyleemary: They will file for extension. Then the price will drop and I will buy more.
You are a moron basher, get out of here now. Thanks man! If you knew anything they can't file for another extension.
Like I said many times. I DO NOT CARE. You are not my pal, buddy, nothing. I will bash,I will praise. Whatever I feel like. I DO NOT GIVE A S___
Posted by tyleemary on :
Stupid Tylee, why dont they kick him out of here. That would show 'em. You moron basher you !!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Well shredder would be better then wizzer!
I've caught news right after 8 am my time (market for me opens at 8:30 fyi) but don't know about Edgar...
But I will make note for future plays...
Posted by milliam on :
I think I hear the Phoenix rustling in the ashes. Maybe everyone should try and face their desks toward Georgia tomorrow. You wouldn't want you back to the man.
See you all in the morning.
Good luck to us all!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: does anyone know what time it should show up if it was filed over the weekend?
Milo is a good name...
First file processing begins at 6:00 AM EST... It will be sometime after that depending on how many there are to post and provided it was filed between 5:30 PM EST Friday and 6:00 AM on Monday.
Posted by Vin on :
Wow, a little angst Tylee? You're making Illinois look bad! Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: Milo. but im thinking of changing it to Shredder
i expect a 10K tomorrow. i dont expect it to contain earth-shattering info, since weve already seen a lot in the 8k however, it will be yet another milestone that rufus will have met.
and give credibility to the company so we should see a rise in the pps.
does anyone know what time it should show up if it was filed over the weekend? ~BB
BB On edgar I see filings as early as 6 a.m.
Milo is a great pick.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: Milo. but im thinking of changing it to Shredder
i expect a 10K tomorrow. i dont expect it to contain earth-shattering info, since weve already seen a lot in the 8k however, it will be yet another milestone that rufus will have met.
and give credibility to the company so we should see a rise in the pps.
does anyone know what time it should show up if it was filed over the weekend? ~BB
Whatever name you pick will be great. Congrats on your addition to the family. Myself, if all works the way it should, I'd be partial to Rufus. But that's just me.
GLTA Wally
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Good one a surfer... hopefully you are not that slow tomorrow. HA HA!! j/k! Posted by betting babe on :
heah. wizzer. funny chart.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Tax I tried milk this morning much better. Ok ready for this one. This is a long shot also. Last week rufus said they were waiting on a document that would put an end to naked shorting on cshd. What if it was exceptance to be listed on the nasdaq after the release of the 10k. How do you like that for dreaming
I did not say instant listing was not possible... just not high on my expectations. It would be HUGE if he pulled that off. Blowing the freaking ceiling off this stock and making other seemingly unreachable goals like a PPS in the hundreds "very" possible.
Enjoy your Cheerios... and the lofty dreams.
More likely it'll hit just over $200 after 3 splits.... OK... nice dream.
However, anything could happen in this stock... I truly believe it. Hoping and banking on a positive cash outcome, but whatever happens will definitely be dramatic, mainly from all of the emotional buildup there has been.
Yes, I said emotional... purely from the storyline and the wish to see it take some sort of direction. It has been intense. Financial risk can only be shaped by good DD... and I think that the Georgia website would be the best place for newbies to DD, along with the released SEC documents.
One may be able to apply an appropriate financial risk to this by tomorrow for those interested in investing.... if this opens up even for trade tomorrow.
I hope to wake up to a 10K.... even if it's just a dream.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
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Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Good one a surfer... hopefully you are not that slow tomorrow. HA HA!! j/k!
Jeez. ruthless. LOL
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: heah. wizzer. funny chart.
-Not funny, -had one of them!
Milo sounds like a cutie ~
Got a chuckle out of Wally's "Rufus" ha ~
Rufus does sound like a Dog name Wally Posted by dog on :
It's all there. You decide if it's worth any risk.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Good one a surfer... hopefully you are not that slow tomorrow. HA HA!! j/k!
Jeez. ruthless. LOL
Just messing with you... I think the ocean air has dulled your reflexes. You should rush back to cold inland air. Ha!
Posted by 10of13 on :
My first dog as an adult was called Rufus... Milo is cute BB...Shredder might let everyone think he is one huge dog ready to attack on command....may be a good one for a "safety" scare tactic......LOL I'm glad that you are enjoying him...I'd say enjoy him while he's tiny...but I'm thinkin' what's the point? He ain't gettin' much bigger...
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: heah. wizzer. funny chart.
-Not funny, -had one of them!
Milo sounds like a cutie ~
Got a chuckle out of Wally's "Rufus" ha ~
Rufus does sound like a Dog name Wally
Posted by dog on :
I don't envy anybody's having to make a decision about where to "buy in" to this stock. Most of us have formed a definite opinion on this over the last weeks. No matter if that opinion is that you have already made your decision for some time... no matter whether yer in or out.
We did well, umm ok, VERY well.... or got screwed slowly over these last months.
LOL
Nite... gotta get to work
GLTYall
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: ok betting time. This is just out of curiosity. Doesn't matter the time of day. Who thinks they will file the 10k tomorrow? Are you 50/50, 90/10. Right now I'd say I'm 70/30 at the moment maybe more like 80/20 that they will file tomorrow.
I feel absolutely positive 100% the 10K will be released sometime tomorrow. To take it a little farther, I think it will be released in the morning for several reasons. The main reason being the way my conversation went with Sabra. She was excited and wanted to tell me when on Monday but the lawyer told her she couldn't. It was the way she was talking about it. .....People ......I am like a little kid here waiting in anticipation. It's like a kid waiting for Christmas and Santa to arrive. I think I am going to leave cookies for Rufus. Most of the reasons that I am so positive about tomorrow being a great success is all of the fantastic DD that all of you have done. This is an incredible group to work with. I actually feel emmotional about this. GLTA.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Good one a surfer... hopefully you are not that slow tomorrow. HA HA!! j/k!
Jeez. ruthless. LOL
Just messing with you... I think the ocean air has dulled your reflexes. You should rush back to cold inland air. Ha!
No actually they have refined my reflexes to the point that I needed ice cream. LOL
Posted by dog on :
It's interesting how everyone arrives at their decision in this.
It would be interesting how many longs there are that put themselves in the fullest position possible to fully realize all of that the corporate commentary has promised.
Yes... the DD here has been extremely good. And I am sure all longs that have utilized the information given here, are all equally appreciative of eachother.. no matter what differences we have had on this thread.
God... I really hope he's telling the truth. Honestly, I can't see how any group of people could deceive so many, and to the degree with which they have exposed so much information on this company...... they would have to be pure evil to lie.
Whatever your beliefs are.... let's just say it ain't "good karma".
I mean... they'd have to be some kinda genius sick individuals at this point. I mean GOOD. Most of us here have not drank that much Koolaid as to be dimwitted in chosing this stock.
Let's just say I'm highly optimistic that some good will come of this experience... no matter what.
Thanks everybody for your input.
Posted by a surfer on :
Simon is hypothecating the best and worst case scenario for CSHD on Subpenny.
Kind of funny.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Simon is hypothecating the best and worst case scenario for CSHD on Subpenny.
Kind of funny.
Couldn't take that... I'm staying away.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Simon is hypothecating the best and worst case scenario for CSHD on Subpenny.
Kind of funny.
What did he say the worst was out of curiosity
Posted by a surfer on :
I was reading more on GSCCCA.org
Have we researched Ismet Paez?
Stargate productions
in book 2106 page 110 about the fast contract
7.2 billion cumulative value
MTC and Georgia Aerospace.
inputs opportunity report 2857...HMM
No need to repeat his worst case scenario.. It won't happen
Posted by a surfer on :
Good night all I have read too much and now I sleep......
Posted by mathis on :
BB, just out of curiosity, did the Milo name come from the movie Milo and Otis? (with the cat and dog)
Posted by thedoctor on :
Good night everyone....See you all in the morning.
Posted by Jenna on :
*************************************************
Hey - I was heard this song from Fleetwood Mac & I thought it was very appropriate!!!
*************************************************
If you wake up and don't want to smile, If it takes just a little while, Open your eyes and look at the day, You'll see things in a different way.
Don't stop, thinking about tomorrow, Don't stop, it'll soon be here, It'll be, better than before, Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone.
Why not think about times to come, And not about the things that you've done, If your life was bad to you, Just think what tomorrow will do.
Don't stop, thinking about tomorrow, Don't stop, it'll soon be here, It'll be, better than before, Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone.
All I want is to see you smile, If it takes just a little while, I know you don't believe that it's true, I never meant any harm to you.
Don't stop, thinking about tomorrow, Don't stop, it'll soon be here, It'll be, better than before, Yesterday's gone, yesterday's gone.
Don't you look back, Don't you look back.
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Good Luck To Us ALL!
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL Jenna....Perfect!!
Sleep well all...
Posted by wallymac on :
Good Night. Sweet dreams everyone. I wish I still lived on the East voast at least for tonight. There's a big difference between 6am AND 3am. So if the 10K is posted on Edgar early I will be late the the party. Hopefully as they say here in LA fashionably late.
GLTA Wally
Posted by JohnDoe on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I jus felt like reposting this.....
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I said this before- this is my theory may be crazy but what do you think?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Everyone chill!!! Rufus knows what he is doing!! I'm pretty sure he knows when the deadline is.
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!!
Call me crazy but that's what I beleive & that's why I think Ruf, Sab, & Ben have all said to people that we are going to be REALLY happy!
I think this could even get up to $30 with in a few days of the reset,(maybe even the same day?)
I just have a feelin'. Haven't had a strong feelin' like this in a while!!!
Am I crazy or super optomistic, or may have somethin' here?
REPOST?,oh my god have you been reading this CSHD thread and the older ones?And have you been doing your DD and listening to rufus interview thoroughly.Do you know what's the requirments to be listed on NASDAQ?Do you know what you are saying?YOU ARE DREAMING...yes DREAMING...wake the hell up.And go read what's the requirements to be listed on the nasdaq..or do you need me to post the link for you too?LMAO
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!! hahahahahahaha what a joke..this is not HSM or IBASH..lol...
Posted by betting babe on :
no but apparently everyone but me has seen that movie
we like to say it chichi like meeloo.
well he barks it, i say it
gnite all. i wanna be up early to look for the filing.
~BB
quote:Originally posted by mathis: BB, just out of curiosity, did the Milo name come from the movie Milo and Otis? (with the cat and dog)
Posted by Spooky on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Simon is hypothecating the best and worst case scenario for CSHD on Subpenny.
Kind of funny.
I asked him that question, the summary (paraphrasing here):
Best: The shorts have to clean out their shorts, wallstreet would erect a statue for him, every BB stock would soon be putting out a PR with "NOBO list" in it.
Worst: Rufus and co. phone's are out of service. The whole company turns out to be an empty office. Warrants are issued, and FED's are looking for outr company leaders.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by JohnDoe:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I jus felt like reposting this.....
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I said this before- this is my theory may be crazy but what do you think?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Everyone chill!!! Rufus knows what he is doing!! I'm pretty sure he knows when the deadline is.
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!!
Call me crazy but that's what I beleive & that's why I think Ruf, Sab, & Ben have all said to people that we are going to be REALLY happy!
I think this could even get up to $30 with in a few days of the reset,(maybe even the same day?)
I just have a feelin'. Haven't had a strong feelin' like this in a while!!!
Am I crazy or super optomistic, or may have somethin' here?
REPOST?,oh my god have you been reading this CSHD thread and the older ones?And have you been doing your DD and listening to rufus interview thoroughly.Do you know what's the requirments to be listed on NASDAQ?Do you know what you are saying?YOU ARE DREAMING...yes DREAMING...wake the hell up.And go read what's the requirements to be listed on the nasdaq..or do you need me to post the link for you too?LMAO
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!! hahahahahahaha what a joke..this is not HSM or IBASH..lol...
Relax... she's just excited. We all are... ultimately I'll be happy if I know that the PPS is worth more than I paid for it... and that a 10K is released supporting that. It is nice to dream though.... I just want a 10k, and it'll sort out from there.
Nite all.
Posted by Vin on :
Nice emotionally controlled answer there dog. Impressive.
Don't worry 'bout it Jenna, we all still love you!
Let's hope for a great day tomorrow.
G'nite all.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by JohnDoe:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I jus felt like reposting this.....
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I said this before- this is my theory may be crazy but what do you think?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Everyone chill!!! Rufus knows what he is doing!! I'm pretty sure he knows when the deadline is.
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!!
Call me crazy but that's what I beleive & that's why I think Ruf, Sab, & Ben have all said to people that we are going to be REALLY happy!
I think this could even get up to $30 with in a few days of the reset,(maybe even the same day?)
I just have a feelin'. Haven't had a strong feelin' like this in a while!!!
Am I crazy or super optomistic, or may have somethin' here?
REPOST?,oh my god have you been reading this CSHD thread and the older ones?And have you been doing your DD and listening to rufus interview thoroughly.Do you know what's the requirments to be listed on NASDAQ?Do you know what you are saying?YOU ARE DREAMING...yes DREAMING...wake the hell up.And go read what's the requirements to be listed on the nasdaq..or do you need me to post the link for you too?LMAO
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!! hahahahahahaha what a joke..this is not HSM or IBASH..lol...
Relax... she's just excited. We all are... ultimately I'll be happy if I know that the PPS is worth more than I paid for it... and that a 10K is released supporting that. It is nice to dream though.... I just want a 10k, and it'll sort out from there.
Nite all.
Thanx Dog!
John Doe- What's wrong with you - just an opinion!!! We don't jump on people around here for believing in a stock they've invested in. If you want to be rude to people you can move to another thread.
And- What makes you think CSHD is NOT going to Nasdaq- that is the ? How much do YOU know about CSHD? Do you own any shares, or are you a SHORTIE?
As far as Nasdaq goes - I guess we will see.....but please WHEN it does happen make sure you come back around & talk with us somemore we'd love to hear from you!
Posted by Jenna on :
Vin - not worried about it. I had a feelin' you would show up after that comment from John Doe. Hey - do you think that's his real name?
Posted by 10of13 on :
JohnDoe? Problem? You've never been excited about a stock? OK...that's unfortunate. IF you have something to back up what you think that you KNOW...by all means honey..post it. You are right this isn't HSM OR Ibash...so don't attempt to turn it into one... You have a wonderful night and please watch this in the next few days, we are all hopeful...and?maybe we can all be enlightened...perhaps even you
Edit: I read some of your past posts and it seems that you were all happy and cheering back around September 29th...why the jump on Jenna? You can cheer but no one else? confusing?
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by JohnDoe:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I jus felt like reposting this.....
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I said this before- this is my theory may be crazy but what do you think?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Everyone chill!!! Rufus knows what he is doing!! I'm pretty sure he knows when the deadline is.
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!!
Call me crazy but that's what I beleive & that's why I think Ruf, Sab, & Ben have all said to people that we are going to be REALLY happy!
I think this could even get up to $30 with in a few days of the reset,(maybe even the same day?)
I just have a feelin'. Haven't had a strong feelin' like this in a while!!!
Am I crazy or super optomistic, or may have somethin' here?
REPOST?,oh my god have you been reading this CSHD thread and the older ones?And have you been doing your DD and listening to rufus interview thoroughly.Do you know what's the requirments to be listed on NASDAQ?Do you know what you are saying?YOU ARE DREAMING...yes DREAMING...wake the hell up.And go read what's the requirements to be listed on the nasdaq..or do you need me to post the link for you too?LMAO
My theory is this:
A 1-2-3 punch = Total KO
I believe Rufus is going to release the 10K, PR, halt the Stock, Reset, & go to Nasdaq all at once!! hahahahahahaha what a joke..this is not HSM or IBASH..lol...
Relax... she's just excited. We all are... ultimately I'll be happy if I know that the PPS is worth more than I paid for it... and that a 10K is released supporting that. It is nice to dream though.... I just want a 10k, and it'll sort out from there.
Nite all.
Thanx Dog!
John Doe- What's wrong with you - just an opinion!!! We don't jump on people around here for believing in a stock they've invested in. If you want to be rude to people you can move to another thread.
And- What makes you think CSHD is NOT going to Nasdaq- that is the ? How much do YOU know about CSHD? Do you own any shares, or are you a SHORTIE?
As far as Nasdaq goes - I guess we will see.....but please WHEN it does happen make sure you come back around & talk with us somemore we'd love to hear from you!
I hope everything works out for all you longs, good luck this week !
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Vin - not worried about it. I had a feelin' you would show up after that comment from John Doe. Hey - do you think that's his real name?
...probably the same guy that used an assumed name a week or two ago. Poor guy is having a rough night...his Eagles lost a tough one today! ha ha ha!
Posted by Jenna on :
Did the bears play?
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Did the bears play?
Nope...MONDAY NIGHT FOOTBALL BABY!!!! Hoping a great day with the stock coupled with a Bears victory! Can you say SWEEEEEET!
Posted by Tmoney on :
go saints
Posted by JohnDoe on :
Jenna.ermm..sorry my apology...i went too far. Secondly CSHD will go to nasdaq but it's not gonna be quick at least 2-3 month at least.Third yes i am a true share holder from 25K to back when it was FHal days now gaining as i flip this couple of time as of right now i have 80+K in CSHD.
10of13: what's there to back up?i've done my DD..i don't need to back anything up.I just don't want this to turn into 1000+ post just like HSM with stupid guessing post know what i mean?
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Tmoney: go saints
Yea, those Saints are unreal. Thought they were gonna lose it today, but came back. Awesome. They're right behind the Bears at 5-1. Should be interesting to watch as the season rolls on.
Posted by Tmoney on :
yeah were good, but i have no doubt they will blow it, something will go wrong and we wont even make the playoffs, it happens all the time, but as for now, yipee,,,
Posted by Vin on :
I don't know about that. They're really motivated, plus I think the whole Katrina thing is really driving them. The fans are supporting them like never before. They're playing with a purpose...dangerous! I would LOVE the bears to make the Superbowl, but the Saints would be my second choice. Good luck.
Posted by Vin on :
oops. disregard. double post ---edited--
Posted by Tmoney on :
i just moved to the dallas area i will be here for about a year and all i hope is that we can stay strong enough to put a beating on the cowboys,
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by JohnDoe: Jenna.ermm..sorry my apology...i went too far. Secondly CSHD will go to nasdaq but it's not gonna be quick at least 2-3 month at least.Third yes i am a true share holder from 25K to back when it was FHal days now gaining as i flip this couple of time as of right now i have 80+K in CSHD.
10of13: what's there to back up?i've done my DD..i don't need to back anything up.I just don't want this to turn into 1000+ post just like HSM with stupid guessing post know what i mean?
You may want to recheck Your DD. Even though I don't feel that an immediate opening on NASDAQ will happen, It is possible and has been discussed and Rufus stated in a recent interview that they have met all requirements to move. Like I said I don't believe that will happen tommorrow but it is a possibility. Maybe you should read back over the last 20 pages or so because I know we discussed it and posted links to NASDAQ requirements.
Not bashing you because I am not familiar with you but the old saying is that people in glass house shouldn't throw rocks.
Hopefully this will all be a mute point in a matter of hours.
GLTA Wally
I know I said I was going to bed, I can't help myself and it is still early on the west coast.
Posted by Vin on :
The Cowboys got "Mr. Personality" to deal with over there. Ok, he had a good day today, but still a nut to have to deal with. They used to be my most hated team, now I save that honor for the Vikings.
Sorry Viking fans! Posted by Jo4321 on :
All this talk about tommorrow! -------------
The 10-k will come out Tomorrow Bet your bottom dollar That tomorrow There'll be one!
Just thinkin' about Tomorrow Clears away the bashers, And the sorrow 'Til there's none!
When I'm stuck a stock That's red, And falling, I just stick out my chin And Grin, And Say, Oh!
The 10-k will come out Tomorrow So ya gotta hang on 'Til tomorrow Come what may Tomorrow! Tomorrow! I love ya Tomorrow! You're always A day A way!
----Hey wait a minute--it's tommorrow!
Jo
Posted by JohnDoe on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by JohnDoe: Jenna.ermm..sorry my apology...i went too far. Secondly CSHD will go to nasdaq but it's not gonna be quick at least 2-3 month at least.Third yes i am a true share holder from 25K to back when it was FHal days now gaining as i flip this couple of time as of right now i have 80+K in CSHD.
10of13: what's there to back up?i've done my DD..i don't need to back anything up.I just don't want this to turn into 1000+ post just like HSM with stupid guessing post know what i mean?
You may want to recheck Your DD. Even though I don't feel that an immediate opening on NASDAQ will happen, It is possible and has been discussed and Rufus stated in a recent interview that they have met all requirements to move. Like I said I don't believe that will happen tommorrow but it is a possibility. Maybe you should read back over the last 20 pages or so because I know we discussed it and posted links to NASDAQ requirements.
Not bashing you because I am not familiar with you but the old saying is that people in glass house shouldn't throw rocks.
Hopefully this will all be a mute point in a matter of hours.
GLTA Wally
I know I said I was going to bed, I can't help myself and it is still early on the west coast.
Wally:yeah..i know CSHD have all the requirements..but i doubt it will happen fast as you said .lol..if it does..then it's all great we all making money..but like i said to me at least 2-3 month away from getting to nasdaq.And we do need the 10K file so the damn shorters know that they mess with the wrong stock.The MM will still hold this down i don't think even with the 10K the stock will move,unless Rufus halt reset at 15.00 that's when we get institutionand new invester buying in or at least this stock hit 5.00 or above untill then i see this EOD 2.40 tomorrow hope i'm wrong. Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by JohnDoe: Jenna.ermm..sorry my apology...i went too far. Secondly CSHD will go to nasdaq but it's not gonna be quick at least 2-3 month at least.Third yes i am a true share holder from 25K to back when it was FHal days now gaining as i flip this couple of time as of right now i have 80+K in CSHD.
10of13: what's there to back up?i've done my DD..i don't need to back anything up.I just don't want this to turn into 1000+ post just like HSM with stupid guessing post know what i mean?
John Doe - Believe it or not we all here even wish you luck tomorrow. If my DREAMING comes true you will be a very rich man or woman (just kidding).
Since 10 has gone to bed, she's probably DREAMING right now. (I'm sure she's dreaming of how great tomorrow will be). I will try to speak for her- (hope she doesn't mind) - I think she said "back it up" because in your post you made it sound like you know more than the rest of us & that you're sure they're not going to Nasdaq, I think she just wanted some justification, that's what good DDing's all about! And if it's just your opinion that's cool too, just let us know it's your opinion, we all give our opiniion around here - I did and you thought I was DREAMING.....that's ok...No disrespect but if you don't like Ihub or HSM or Allstocks keep lookin'......we like it here....and we ain't changin' for nobody....or you are welcome to stay and engage in fun respectful conversations without jumping on people........ok? ....Are we cool now?
Go CSHD...........!!!!!
Once again good luck "John" Doe, hopefully after tomorrow you can change your name to "Alotta" Doe!!!!
What the hell happened to my Buffalo Bills?
Posted by Tmoney on :
i dont really care about NFL football that much, but it sure is fun stiring up these cowboy fans during a game, i would rather watch college games, but hey i got my tickets to the saints and cowboys game and going with a couple of cowboy fanatics, so that will be interesting
Posted by Vin on :
Jenna, they got beat by a good Detroit team....LOL. You ready to become a Bears fan yet? I know it's early in the season, but being a Cubs fan, I need to enjoy every victory I get!
Posted by Jenna on :
Jo - I LOVE all your postings!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Vin- I'll jump on the bears ban wagon- they beat the Bills & I'd rather them be beaten by the best. If they can't do it this year - I hope the Bears do it. We also like the Steelers & they got the glory last year, so I guess I'll be rootin' for Da Bears! (but I still love my Bills)
Posted by Vin on :
Welcome to Sunday Night/Monday Morning Football Talk here at Allstocks! You know our motto..."We ain't got no motto".
Ok, I said goodnight once before, I'll say it again...night all. Tmoney, good luck with your Saints. Jenna, you're a tough one when you need to be...I'll never shoot you down...I know I would lose.
Let's make some bucko's tomorrow.
Posted by Tmoney on :
anyteam that can get their players to rap and dance to the superbowl shuffle has got me on the bandwagon also
Posted by wallymac on :
Personally I hate my bills and hopefully can pay them off after tommorrow. J/K
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
I used to go on the field at the Bills games. I used to go in the early 90's when they kept going to the Super Bowl....would stand right on the sideline near them. I have up close pictures of Marv Levy, Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Darryl Talley, Bruce Smith, Don BeBe........all those guys. That was an awesome experience!!
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:Originally posted by Wallymac: Personally I hate my bills and hopefully can pay them off after tommorrow.
LOL, Wally.
Totally off topic but your post reminded me of when I was young and single and used to keep track of when my bills were due on a wall calendar.
I had written on one date "PHONE BILL DUE", and my boyfriend at the time was over and said, "WHO IS BILL DUE, AND WHY ARE YOU CALLING HIM?". Needless to say, he wasn't too smart, and I dumped his jealous a** soon afterward.
Jo
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Personally I hate my bills and hopefully can pay them off after tommorrow. J/K
GLTA Wally
Good one Wally!! HAHAHAHA Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
quote:Originally posted by Wallymac: Personally I hate my bills and hopefully can pay them off after tommorrow.
LOL, Wally.
Totally off topic but your post reminded me of when I was young and single and used to keep track of when my bills were due on a wall calendar.
I had written on one date "PHONE BILL DUE", and my boyfriend at the time was over and said, "WHO IS BILL DUE, AND WHY ARE YOU CALLING HIM?". Needless to say, he wasn't too smart.
Jo
Jo that boyfriend wasn't to smart.....I had a boyfriend that asked me if I wanted to take a CRUISE to Vegas!!!
DUHHHH!
Posted by Jenna on :
Good Night All!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
quote:Originally posted by Wallymac: Personally I hate my bills and hopefully can pay them off after tommorrow.
LOL, Wally.
Totally off topic but your post reminded me of when I was young and single and used to keep track of when my bills were due on a wall calendar.
I had written on one date "PHONE BILL DUE", and my boyfriend at the time was over and said, "WHO IS BILL DUE, AND WHY ARE YOU CALLING HIM?". Needless to say, he wasn't too smart, and I dumped his jealous a** soon afterward.
Jo
LOL.
Posted by mathis on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Personally I hate my bills and hopefully can pay them off after tommorrow. J/K
GLTA Wally
LOL Posted by DMOST on :
COWBOYAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
They've always been the team people love to hate,and I've been in Dallas sense 66'so of course I'm a fan.
As far as the 10K goes, I just want it to come out so that this deal can be finalized. Remember that termination clause can still be implemented.
But, regardless I do believe it will be tomorrow and from there the stakes will rises for the hand I'm playing.
"GO CSHD"
"YOU PAY YOUR MONEY AND YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICE"
Posted by mathis on :
Hope everything works out later on today! Just remember if this works out how we expect it too, dont be greedy with your money. Many charities could use a little donation...GLTA
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Good luck today folks!!! I won't be around to watch as I have clinincals all day today
Enjoy the show and can't wait to come home to some finally deserved green. I will have my expectations high upon that return!
Go CSHD!!!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
By some freak of nature I am up this morning... No 10-K yet. Filings up through 6:30 AM have already posted so it was not filed over the weekend...
Will we get it pre-market? only time will tell. Good morning all!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
6:42 nothing filed as of yet.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Morning board!!!
Running for some coffee now...
Feel like the Super Bowl is about to start! Posted by a surfer on :
AAAHHH What a beautiful morning.
Today is it. Hold on to your hats.
I have a feeling we have a nail biter in store.
5:29 P.M. release. Oh that would be cruel!
Personally I will be happy with anything as long
as they are compliant.
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
quote:Originally posted by mathis: Hope everything works out later on today! Just remember if this works out how we expect it too, dont be greedy with your money. Many charities could use a little donation...GLTA
I hear ya Mathis Seems to be the feel of the company... and even Rufus said do something good with your money. Let's get rich and let's be a blessing! But first... oh please give us that 10K!!! Good morning everyone! Ima
Posted by Chartwalker on :
"Are we RICH yet?!!" Posted by RyanPBF on :
let me check nope nothing
Rufus is going to drag this out the whole day. I hate this part. Drop it now rufus. My stomach going to be knotted all day until the 10-k comes out.
Posted by djg7 on :
I will be very surprised if 10K comes out during trading hours today. I hope we'll all be happy tomorrow.
Posted by Tyraid on :
I hope we will all be happy tomorrow as well....from very good news today. :-D
Posted by RyanPBF on :
as long as it comes out today during normal filing hours for edgar. If not then we get the E tacked on the name not good.
Posted by Tyraid on :
Is the eod time for edgar the same as stock trading?
Posted by 66inxs on :
well today is the day. we will get to see if rufus is a hero or a villian. i just don't see the sense in dragging out the filing of an historical document (6/30/06). rufus has everything but time. hopefully this will be a day that we will all remember a long time. glta, especially today.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I think it will come out during hours...
Why wait till after hours?..
I mean really.
"Uncle Rufus, time to get up, there are 100,000 sharesholders here to see you."
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I think it will come out during hours...
Why wait till after hours?..
I mean really.
"Uncle Rufus, time to get up, there are 100,000 sharesholders here to see you."
Thats not the question we want to ask.
It sure would be nice to have something during trading hours so i dont have to be up all night waiting!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
How are things on the other side of the world Catia?..
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
So, let me get this right. We are expecting big news today and Rufus wasnt up all night posting and chatting on radio interviews?!?
That just doesnt seem right! LOL
My 4 month FHAL anniversary was yesterday. A nice filing gift would be great. Posted by Repoman75 on :
Soooooooooooooooooooooooo.... is today D-DAY?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I think my four month anniversary was either friday or saturday. Well let's hope this happens soon.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
supposed to be repo that's what we're waiting for today.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: How are things on the other side of the world Catia?..
Not bad! It was a bit cold over the weekend (i was in Hamburg) but we have nice clear skies today and has made it warmer.
Ten more days and i come home. YAY!
Posted by bilgert on :
For those of you who want to wear out your refresh button, keep this on the ol' desktop:
It's the real time postings of the "Latest Filings Received and Processed at the SEC".
Good Luck!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
so if we don't get the 10-k first thing. What do you think happens with trading a pretty good runup first thing then level off and if still nothing a little sell off eod?
Posted by a surfer on :
Bilgert I put a 10 in the filings category so I don't have to look at so many other filings.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Soooooooooooooooooooooooo.... is today D-DAY?
Well, at least the 10k filing is due today.
Today should be the start of "big events"
[fingers crossed] Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: so if we don't get the 10-k first thing. What do you think happens with trading a pretty good runup first thing then level off and if still nothing a little sell off eod?
It will be interesting to see how the MM's react.
they may know before us?????
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I have 10-k in the form type also. last on excepted 10/13 at 21:47
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I have 10-k in the form type also. last on excepted 10/13 at 21:47
Ryan I would just put 10 in there. Just in case they file something weird
Posted by RyanPBF on :
true
Posted by bilgert on :
And sources to track the subsequent barrage of PR's (we hope) http://small capcenter.com/snapshot_newsrelease.asp?ticker=CSHD&coname=CONVERSION+SOLUTIONS+H LD+%28OBB+%3A+CSHD%29
Due to technical difficulties beyond our control, eliminate the spaces to activate the links.
I was talking with another CSHD shareholder last night. Said that it felt like Christmas. The real question is- do I get another sweater, or a Red Rider BB Gun?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
you'll shoot your eye out kid Posted by Chartwalker on :
Just after 8 am my time (25 mins) seems like a magic filing time...
We'll see...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Well if I heard right Sabra said Monday was going to be "awesome". If Rufas waits till after trading then "my" Monday will not be "awesome". It had better come out durring trading hours today.
But if it doesn't Ryan CSHD has until midnight to file a 10-K or a 10Q for that matter. They are considered "special" by the SEC and allow filing to go beyond the 5:30 PM EST deadline.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Well if I heard right Sabra said Monday was going to be "awesome". If Rufas waits till after trading then "my" Monday will not be "awesome". It had better come out durring trading hours today.
But if it doesn't Ryan CSHD has until midnight to file a 10-K or a 10Q for that matter. They are considered "special" by the SEC and allow filing to go beyond the 5:30 PM EST deadline.
I don't want to be special.. LOL
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Soooooooooooooooooooooooo.... is today D-DAY?
Well, at least the 10k filing is due today.
Today should be the start of "big events"
[fingers crossed]
Alrighty... I've got my popcorn and beer, and will be watching the skies for all of you jumping out of buildings if doesn't go your way. Let the games begin!
Posted by thesource on :
Rufus needs to drop this thing early . If he drags it out , there's going to be a lot of good people lose money and get out on fear that it won't be filed and the MM's / shorts will have won the battle even if they end up losing the war .
Come on Rufus , lets get the ball rolling !!!!
Posted by thedoctor on :
Good morning everyone!! Remember, don't freak out if it's not filed premarket... Fasten your seatbelts......
Posted by 10of13 on :
(Open door) Peeking, Looking, Dang it... (slams door) Posted by luvforever on :
Good morning cshd peeps! May you all enjoy this day! We are all hoping this is the ride of the century...The one and only! This is our chance of a lifetime! As for all of the fhal peeps that have not sold one share, and have waited for this for sooo long please enter to the front, the rest of you get in line and let's have the time of our lives!!!! YYYEEEEEEE haaaawwww....can't wait... Smile now all, cshd, we are here and soon we will be getting the thrill of a lifetime! Good luck and I wish you all the best! smile Posted by Chartwalker on :
That's funny 10 ~
Doc... good word's to remember! Hi luv ~
Posted by maddie19 on :
*********.com: Conversion Solutions Hires a New CEO, As Other Companies Provide Analysis in Shareholders' Letter, Enter Development Agreements, Provide Network System in Australia, Announce Project Completion, and Appoint New Senior VP 10/16/2006
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Patriot Scientific Corp (OTCBB PTSCE) Friday's market went down 2.22% to $1.10 per share, with a total of 1,899,018 shares traded. Patriot Scientific Corporation announced that chairman and CEO David Pohl has released a letter to its shareholders on the company website, http://www.ptsc.com. The letter highlights Pohl's analysis of the company's strong growth prospects and the broad market potential of the MMP Portfolio. It also notes that the company will reveal the revenue realized by Patriot from the licensees that have been signed since June 1, 2006, in the upcoming statements of financial results.
Patriot Scientific Corporation engages in the development, marketing, and sale of microprocessors, technology for microprocessors, and complementary products that enable computers and other data processing devices to communicate. The company develops its microprocessor technology for various applications in wireless devices, smart cards, home appliances, and gateways, as well as in set top boxes, entertainment technology, automotive telematics, biomedical devices, and industrial controllers in the United States. It also has a patent for special radar technology, which would allow a licensee to penetrate the ground or structures to find various objects. Patriot Scientific Corporation was founded in 1987 and is based in San Diego, California.
Conversion Solutions, Inc. (OTCBB CSHD) Friday's market went up 3.77% to $2.20 per share, with a total of 1,386,755 shares traded. Ecowood, LTD., a Lake Dallas-based company via Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp announces the addition of Michael Alexander as the Chief Executive Officer, President and Chairman of the Board. Mr. Alexander has also become the majority shareholder of Ecowood, LTD. "I look forward to the challenges during this rapid growth process," says Michael Alexander. Mr. Alexander has purchased the majority interest in the company and will leave most management in their current positions. This purchase includes Ecowoods' non-profit sister company, Rainforest Preservation Foundation, known in Brazil as Fundamazon Fundacao De Preservacao Da Floresta Amazonica, which actually holds the license with the Brazilian Government.
Conversion Solutions, Inc., a diversified holdings company, engages in originating and sourcing funds for asset-based transactions in the private market. It provides funding and insurance to its target companies in the asset finance market. The company offers loans to and/or investment in small and medium-sized businesses by providing asset-based funding against marketable income producing and insurable assets. Conversion Solutions is based in Kennesaw, Georgia.
Posted by a surfer on :
is that stock w a t c h
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Nice job with posting those links btw bilgert ~
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ya know, after i heard one of the Rufus interviews last week i was concerned about a comment he had made. He said "The board can fire me if they want" or something along those lines. Basically it was in reference to his personality....and loud mouth. Well, i was worried that if they fired him would he still be responsible for the things he has said and promised.
So, wtf is Conversion Solutions hires a new CEO? Is this just re-hashing the Mike Alexander thing or something?
edit : ok, i guess it makes sense. Re-hash for sure.
Im still worried about Rufus getting fired. Posted by RyanPBF on :
it's about mike alexander. I was wondering the same thing cat I went and read the whole thing and it never mentioned anything about a new ceo for cshd. At least as far as I can tell
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
Doesnt the pr say that Ecowood named him the CEO? That is how I am reading it correct me if I'm wrong
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Ya know, after i heard one of the Rufus interviews last week i was concerned about a comment he had made. He said "The board can fire me if they want" or something along those lines. Basically it was in reference to his personality....and loud mouth. Well, i was worried that if they fired him would he still be responsible for the things he has said and promised.
So, wtf is Conversion Solutions hires a new CEO? Is this just re-hashing the Mike Alexander thing or something?
Why you tryin to give me one more thing to worry about?
Posted by betting babe on :
.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Ya know, after i heard one of the Rufus interviews last week i was concerned about a comment he had made. He said "The board can fire me if they want" or something along those lines. Basically it was in reference to his personality....and loud mouth. Well, i was worried that if they fired him would he still be responsible for the things he has said and promised.
So, wtf is Conversion Solutions hires a new CEO? Is this just re-hashing the Mike Alexander thing or something?
Why you tryin to give me one more thing to worry about?
Haha well i could have posted it last week when it first crossed my mind. Your mental health was in my thoughts Posted by dog on :
Nah... "via Conversion" it's about Ecowwod CEO announcement.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well it's not a pr from the Company in the first place. It just looks like they reposted that ecowood pr. To me someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Posted by dog on :
Ecowood, LTD., a Lake Dallas-based company via Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp announces the addition of Michael Alexander as the Chief Executive Officer, President and Chairman of the Board.
Posted by thesource on :
What are we looking like in pre market ? L2's ?
Posted by Vin on :
Good morning all.
GOD I hope Rufus doesn't make us wait all day for news. I'm not even gonna think about the possibility or ramifications about Rufus getting fired.
Posted by betting babe on :
MrCatia? that's a misleading post ya got there!
theres no new CEO. at first glance i thought we got bad news.
thats just stock fufu re-hashing the appointment of Mike Alexander to Ecowood as CEO.
so, basically no news no filings... yet.
~BB
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:
Why you tryin to give me one more thing to worry about?
Haha well i could have posted it last week when it first crossed my mind. Your mental health was in my thoughts [/QB][/QUOTE]
So what you thought that you would wait until today to push him over the edge? How thoughtful...LOL
Posted by RyanPBF on :
l2's bid 6x 2.19 ask 1x 2.20
and so far no filings of note.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
this sucks
Posted by djg7 on :
Premarket L2s
Bid 6 x 2.19 2 x 2.16
Ask 1 x 2.20 1 x 2.21 1 x 2.22
Posted by RyanPBF on :
right now the ask on the l2's looks pretty thin
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: MrCatia? that's a misleading post ya got there!
theres no new CEO. at first glance i thought we got bad news.
thats just stock fufu re-hashing the appointment of Mike Alexander to Ecowood as CEO.
so, basically no news no filings... yet.
~BB
The news headline was misleading imo
Posted by RyanPBF on :
(I can't get no)Satisfaction is playing right now where I am. I hope it's not a sign for the day Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
If this is going to halt, and its going to halt quickly post 10k, and 10k is going to be out today, then what is there to gain by trading today? Who's interest would that serve? What are the chance we don't open today?
Posted by cool AZ on :
good mornin' one and all! Great to be home again ... one for the money, two for the show, three to get ready and four to Let's Roll!
Best of luck to all longs!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
ya´all need a valium..take a couple
Id like to see a 9:28 release and halt.
Posted by 10of13 on :
got any?
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: ya´all need a valium..take a couple
Posted by MTPromises on :
L2s moving up
Posted by a surfer on :
Send me a valium VIA e-mail
Posted by RichBy26 on :
morning gang, I wish the best for all of us!! 2.21x2.22
Posted by RyanPBF on :
l2's moving a little bid 1x 2.23 ask 1x 2.24
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Please come through RUFUS!
Posted by bigstocks on :
Good morning, come one keep gapping up.
Posted by betting babe on :
agreed. perhaps intentionally so.
you're still in germany rite? so ur 7 hours ahead? so tell us what's gonna happen today. LOL.
that was a model joke.
~BB
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: MrCatia? that's a misleading post ya got there!
theres no new CEO. at first glance i thought we got bad news.
thats just stock fufu re-hashing the appointment of Mike Alexander to Ecowood as CEO.
so, basically no news no filings... yet.
~BB
The news headline was misleading imo
Posted by 10of13 on :
LGTD? I don't think that I've seen this MM before? Anyone else?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well this is a good sign...
nothing like watching something you own gap down .50! LOL ~~
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I think end of last week I saw them.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
what are you talking about chart?
Posted by maumee river rat on :
You all are gunna give yourselfs head aches....
Chill out !!
Support at 2.15 1.82
Resistance 2.28 biuldin to 2.47 EOD 2.43 ...........2.58 EOD 2.58............2.69 EOD
Posted by Igor R on :
its gapping up, 2 trades printed at 2.24.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
at the moment we are light 1 or 2 mm's from what we've had
Posted by 10of13 on :
speakin' of headaches... Mornin' Maumee! Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: what are you talking about chart?
???
You mean about me saying that the gap up was good?...
-I joked about watching something gap down .50
Posted by RyanPBF on :
oh I thought something you might of had was taking a dive pre-market
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Haha BB, i was thinking about that about 10 minutes ago! 6 hours ahead though so the eod is still a mystery Posted by betting babe on :
well its not dumping. thats a good sign
of course whats with all this volume at opening market?! all small trades.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
with 10k...
EOD $5 Posted by a surfer on :
Just got off the phone with Sabra!!!
She said hang in there folks its gonna be a great day!!!!
I said your not gonna make us wait till after hours.... Her response was You know I can't tell you that.
Lots of laughing and excitement.
so hang in there!!!!
I believe her... Yes I do
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: with 10k...
EOD $5
$5.02
Posted by RyanPBF on :
otcbb said there was 2million plus shorts with 1.3 days to cover. last 10 filing discover card
Posted by MTPromises on :
thanks, a surfer
Posted by Chartwalker on :
God Bless you Surfer!!
Nice work buddy!!
Posted by mathis on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Just got off the phone with Sabra!!!
She said hang in there folks its gonna be a great day!!!!
I said your not gonna make us wait till after hours.... Her response was You know I can't tell you that.
Lots of laughing and excitement.
so hang in there!!!!
I believe her... Yes I do
Thanks for keeping us informed a surfer
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: otcbb said there was 2million plus shorts with 1.3 days to cover. last 10 filing discover card
The 1.3 days doesn't represent how many days they HAVE to cover. That represents the the number of days, based on average volume, that it would take the shorts to cover once they did.... it's not a trigger or anything.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Thanks Surfer...but I would rather have the darn thing! OK...I'm hangin'...jeeesh!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
ok repo thanks.
Posted by thesource on :
This looks like its going to get dragged out today and we are going to take a huge beating . Why Rufus ??? Drop the 10K already !!!
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
tank job...wtf
Posted by RyanPBF on :
man are the mm's shaking in there boots or what j/k
Posted by Chartwalker on :
yeah, thx repo...
Good to keep it all in check
Posted by 10of13 on :
How low are they going to take the friggin' thing? Maumee..new support? or are we now lookin' at that 1.82?
Posted by betting babe on :
ill check back later
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Looks like maybe the MM's knew what they were doing the whole time? No reason to prolong the 10-K like this.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Long term resistance 2.85 ....and ....3.26
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
This is going to be painful to watch... holding out on the 10-K like this had better be worth it in the long run.
Cause to me it seems like a really good way to shake weak shareholders. It isn't doing anything to the shorts at this point.
Posted by cassity on :
What did you guys suspect. Did you think the market makers had a meeting this weekend and decided to stop torchering us little guys. LOL Let's just be PATIENT! Good morning and GLTA.
Posted by a surfer on :
its all manipulation look at all the 500 and 1000's B.S. I tell ya
She's coming back
Posted by thesource on :
This isn't good for business Rufus ..........
Posted by 66inxs on :
peeps must have jumped in after eod fri expecting the 10k to be filed after hours and left this am when it wasn't filed. will the 10k be filed under chsd or furia organization?
Posted by 10of13 on :
66...should be filed under CSHD
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Morning board!!!
Running for some coffee now...
Feel like the Super Bowl is about to start!
So...you drink coffee when watching the Super Bowl?
Morning all...nothing yet?
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: How low are they going to take the friggin' thing? Maumee..new support? or are we now lookin' at that 1.82?
I mis read the chart the first go around there 10....2.10 was support this morning biulding to 2.15 EOD
Break that and ...YES 1.82 is next level...
that wouldn't suprise me by the way
Posted by RyanPBF on :
me either.
Posted by 66inxs on :
thanks 10. i guess everyone is waiting for santa claus. come on christmas!!!!!!!!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
somethings up
Posted by MTPromises on :
Tax, are you watching for the filing (as usual)?
Posted by new2stocks on :
Good morning everyone! I'm trying to sit back and relax today...but the anticipation of the 10k is getting to me! Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: somethings up
why do you say that Dude??
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I think Rufus is getting greedy...
... JMO but I think he is setting one last trap. He wants a large number of shorts to jump in today! Think about it. 11th hour 10-K still in question. As the day gets longer the shorts are going to want to ride this one back down to 0.08.
They jump in the volume spikes and Rufus unleashes the zilla!. It is almost a "I dare you to short this stock." game.
I like it, but it is not helping "my" Monday, and it would be a bit too greedy for my liking.
Just a theory
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: somethings up
I agree! Oh just imagine when the mm's see that 10k coming down the pipeline! BTW: how did everyone sleep last night. I must have woke up 100 times.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by MTPromises: Tax, are you watching for the filing (as usual)?
You bettcha!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: somethings up
why do you say that Dude??
because it jumped like .06 in about 2min and maybe 8k shares traded. from 2.13 to 2.19
Posted by Chartwalker on :
yawn....
sitting good ~ Posted by SherriT on :
Glad to see I haven't missed anything yet....I just knew with the Monday I was having that it would have already been over by now Posted by luvforever on :
Nothing yet....just waiting
Posted by maumee river rat on :
What if Sabra , when she said that this was going to be a great day, ment that, it was going to be a great day for Her and her buddies...because this was the most well orchestrated P&D in history...and we are all screwed????
Huh ??
What if???
just a cheerfull thought for yous guys!!!!
LOL !!!! couldn't resist..
Posted by Doniboy on :
This is getting down to the wire....
Posted by 10of13 on :
Maumee...what is it you always call people? Oh ya..
Putz! Posted by RyanPBF on :
are we going back to lod? This waiting sucks Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Maumee...what is it you always call people? Oh ya..
Putz!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.16 and 2.10 I have as intraday supports...
We are in a hard dip, yet holding, that is a very positive sign... It allows the indicators to reset low and when they cross you'll usauuly see a nice climb... fyi ~
Posted by maumee river rat on :
somehow I knew you would be the first to respond to that 10....lol
Posted by luvforever on :
Relax, it could go down to 1.83 but who cares... We wil see that 10k today...They said NO E..let's see! What's one more day of stress? Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.01 would be next if we get past 2.10
Posted by CRab on :
hi people...
so whats this I hear about a reset can a company really do that?
whats up with that log deal? I thought this was just some little trucking company, how are they gonna get logs out the amazon?
what kind of name is Rufus?
ya'll ever hear of stock lehmen or our streat? some pretty good reading if you ask me...
what's a 10K and why is it so important?
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Guys just wait, It's been Rufus's tradition to give it to us at the last possible minute, pick your heads up and stop worrying. We have 1 day to wait for and if we don't get it out by 11:59PM tonight then start worrying. Its 10:05 AM obviously they didn't file it over the weekend, but no one said that they would so its not like he went back on his word... They will definately file it today and if they don't then Rufus has ruined any chances of his stock appearing on the NASD in the near future. If he does that it doesn't matter if in 3 months his stock gets listed people will lose trust in him as a CEO and no one is going to want this company. Hang your heads up high and stop worrying about the LOD or HOD, we don't care about when it closes, we care about the 10K which leads to other bigger and better things. If you see dramatic price rising in short periods of time then people know something. If you see this thing tank tank tank without news theres insider info out there. Just wait and see. Don't worry about our price today if its just gradual and looks like any of the past 4 trading days.
Posted by luvforever on :
Hope everyone has health insurance!! The insurance companies will be suing if that 10k doesn't come out, if we all use it by the eod!!!! Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Thanks for getting those questions out of the way CRab. Posted by Chartwalker on :
2 of 4 pos now.
3of4 now..
Posted by dog on :
Hey! Howza bout tryin a flip?
LOL
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I don't like seeing arca dumping that many shares.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
climbing
Posted by Chartwalker on :
4 pos...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Why Ryan, who cares if they dump shares, they are making our MM, they know just as much as we do, We know Rufus isn't playing games with these guys.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
1st dip right on time...
Posted by luvforever on :
Well we had no school today again...cause of the snow and downed trees and no electricity in some areas... All in all I can watch till 10 45 then it;s off to the lawyers office to sign some papers ~LOL~ hopefully when I come back there's great news! Posted by RyanPBF on :
one arca isn't an mm. he's an ecn so I believe you don't have to me an mm to use them. usually if arca dumps a lot of shares we go down quite a bit.
Posted by luvforever on :
Look at those L2's!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by 10of13 on :
I really thought that there would be higher volume by now...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Hanging strong at 2.13-2.14 area .. Someone just made a 4100 share trade, pretty good chunk
Posted by Chartwalker on :
5 min chart coming around now too...
3 of 4 pos Posted by RyanPBF on :
it seems to me no one is convinced either way 10. More 10 filings are starting to come through nothing yet though.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
2 minutes 30 secs without a trade
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: one arca isn't an mm. he's an ecn so I believe you don't have to me an mm to use them. usually if arca dumps a lot of shares we go down quite a bit.
That is correct. It is an ECN used by professional daytrading firms mostly.
Posted by Vin on :
...the ball just keeps on rolling!
First Guardian Financial Corporation (PINKSHEETS: FGFC) today announced that the Company has ordered a current NOBO (Non Objecting Beneficial Ownership) list from ADP Investor Communications. The NOBO list will show the company an exact number of shares outstanding and the ownership of those shares; it is the most complete & accurate share profile that is available to the company.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
hope we hope up strong thru next dip...
Posted by RichBy26 on :
I canceled my golf game today so I could be here today After all, CSHD is going to buy me a new set of Ping irons once they release the 10K!!!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
3min and no action
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: one arca isn't an mm. he's an ecn so I believe you don't have to me an mm to use them. usually if arca dumps a lot of shares we go down quite a bit.
That is correct. It is an ECN used by professional daytrading firms mostly.
and don't forget the hedge funds.
Posted by betting babe on :
distracting myself with LFZA & a very needy puppy.
im sure rufus has his reasons, but its annoying.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: ...the ball just keeps on rolling!
First Guardian Financial Corporation (PINKSHEETS: FGFC) today announced that the Company has ordered a current NOBO (Non Objecting Beneficial Ownership) list from ADP Investor Communications. The NOBO list will show the company an exact number of shares outstanding and the ownership of those shares; it is the most complete & accurate share profile that is available to the company.
They are a great company Vin, I own a large # of shares. Read up on them and you'll see they are in a similar business to CSHD
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26:
quote:Originally posted by Vin: ...the ball just keeps on rolling!
First Guardian Financial Corporation (PINKSHEETS: FGFC) today announced that the Company has ordered a current NOBO (Non Objecting Beneficial Ownership) list from ADP Investor Communications. The NOBO list will show the company an exact number of shares outstanding and the ownership of those shares; it is the most complete & accurate share profile that is available to the company.
They are a great company Vin, I own a large # of shares. Read up on them and you'll see they are in a similar business to CSHD
Yea, I'm on that one too. Over time that should pay off...at least that's what I'm banking on.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: I canceled my golf game today so I could be here today After all, CSHD is going to buy me a new set of Ping irons once they release the 10K!!!
Callaways for me!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
nice stock! Hope they help our handicaps:)
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Nite has got this locked up. I wonder why?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
entering dip mode...
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: distracting myself with LFZA & a very needy puppy.
im sure rufus has his reasons, but its annoying.
Yeah, it is doing nicely today, isn't it BB?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: nice stock! Hope they help our handicaps:)
Ya, it will sort of be like a golf lesson from Rufus!
Posted by CRab on :
How long does it usually take between submission the and posting of a filing? Is it instantanious, a negligable lag, a couple hours, or does is just depend on the backup of filings at the place of submission?
I'm not really asking about this one specifically, just thought about that and was curious?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
wow, bucking the indicators now...
-something up? (!!!)
Posted by Kelroz on :
Stupid LFZA. I sold at .14 this morning then they put out news!
Must be your lucky week BB.
Posted by cassity on :
I liked it, from HSM:
CDR Avanti HSM Enthusiast
Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: God's Country - Texas Posts: 540 Quote: Originally Posted by stetson_8x Maybe you will be like me and be on the list TWICE
My Fidelity agent urged me to diversify. I responded, "Ok, put my CSHD in 3 accounts!"
Salute __________________ No Buzz kill allowed today (until 10:00 EDT) Salute to longs.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
Maybe they will release everything over lunch, Rufus said "don't get caught with your pants down", he knows daytraders create the lunch dip!
Posted by dog on :
I'm glad I'm working today... this is painful.
Ok.. I had my moment.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: How long does it usually take between submission the and posting of a filing? Is it instantanious, a negligable lag, a couple hours, or does is just depend on the backup of filings at the place of submission?
I'm not really asking about this one specifically, just thought about that and was curious?
I was wondering the same thing crab. I don't know if edgars has any info on that.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
What an exciting monday!!! lol
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: wow, bucking the indicators now...
-something up? (!!!)
I like bucking the system. Posted by Chartwalker on :
I think something "hit" back there...
Now we're going up again..
Stochastic is against the ceiling! Been there since 10:15 my time..
another dip showing now... If it doesn't dip much, IMO, the 10k was filed and it';s just a matter of time.
This is a "odd" chart right now...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
seems to be holding up pretty good heh chart?
Posted by mathis on :
wow, this is going really slow..
Posted by Chartwalker on :
EXCELLENT!!
Stochastic keeps bouncing off the ceiling! MACD default has been in a POS climb since 10:15!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
This is looking like a ..."We got NEWS" chart more and more!!!
Only thing missing is a huge volume spike ~
Posted by betting babe on :
eggggggcelent. its all going according to my master plan....
whatever that may be
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: EXCELLENT!!
Stochastic keeps bouncing off the ceiling! MACD default has been in a POS climb since 10:15!
Posted by dollar13 on :
this is what we need to do right now..
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: everybody do the rufus dance!
-
LET'S BREAK THIS WALL WOOOOT WOOOOOT!
cmon baby throw me triple dollas!
new highs let's see em let's get 'er done!!!
~BB
Posted by Chartwalker on :
yes-yes-yes!!
news?.....
Posted by Doniboy on :
OK, thats just disturbing.
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: this is what we need to do right now..
quote:Originally posted by 10of13:
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: everybody do the rufus dance!
-
LET'S BREAK THIS WALL WOOOOT WOOOOOT!
cmon baby throw me triple dollas!
new highs let's see em let's get 'er done!!!
~BB
Posted by TimW on :
Finally up .01 from close.
Posted by cassity on :
Hey Tax, R U stilling watching for the filing? Do you have Edgar pro?
Posted by F4i4Brian on :
I just spoke to Sabra cause my name isn't on the shareholder list, I asked if we can still expect to see the 10K today and she very confidently stated "We will be compliant".
I asked if she could tell me if it would be out during the day, or after hours and she replied that they have until 5:30pm to file.
She was very nice and VERY positive.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
once again dip mode....
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by F4i4Brian: I just spoke to Sabra cause my name isn't on the shareholder list, I asked if we can still expect to see the 10K today and she very confidently stated "We will be compliant".
I asked if she could tell me if it would be out during the day, or after hours and she replied that they have until 5:30pm to file.
She was very nice and VERY positive.
Well, at least we only have a few more hours of this at most....I sure hope they don't say the reset will be a month from now Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by F4i4Brian: I just spoke to Sabra cause my name isn't on the shareholder list, I asked if we can still expect to see the 10K today and she very confidently stated "We will be compliant".
I asked if she could tell me if it would be out during the day, or after hours and she replied that they have until 5:30pm to file.
She was very nice and VERY positive.
Good work! I went to J.U. in 88 brian.
Posted by Doniboy on :
With the answer everyone has been getting, after hours looks like the key. Man this is unreal...Why wait Rufus?
Posted by 10of13 on :
Screw it...my gut is telling me that the 10k isn't coming until after close...I'm going to be a dumb azz and attempt to flip some...just for old time sake...and because after the reset...I don't think that I will have the chance...
Posted by F4i4Brian on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by F4i4Brian: I just spoke to Sabra cause my name isn't on the shareholder list, I asked if we can still expect to see the 10K today and she very confidently stated "We will be compliant".
I asked if she could tell me if it would be out during the day, or after hours and she replied that they have until 5:30pm to file.
She was very nice and VERY positive.
Good work! I went to J.U. in 88 brian.
I've only been in Jax for a few years, but I've heard J.U. is a great school. Where did you live down here?
There are quite a few lurkers reading from Jax. Posted by CRab on :
Is everyone sure that there is NO way for them to drag this out any longer and still be "compliant"?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Screw it...my gut is telling me that the 10k isn't coming until after close...I'm going to be a dumb azz and attempt to flip some...just for old time sake...and because after the reset...I don't think that I will have the chance...
Don't do it 10..!!!!! LOL
O.K. do what you want, but the last hour there isn't enough movement to flip anyway
Posted by a surfer on :
Brian I lived at the beach!! LOL
Posted by MTPromises on :
I'm with the people who stated last night that today won't be a "big day" unless the 10K comes out during trading - and then with PRs following it. Otherwise, it would be pretty hard for us shareholders to be very "happy" if there is no news during trading since the PPS will at best stay where it's at.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
I can't imagine why they are waiting to file the 10-K unless they are trying to capture more shorts. This is the only reason I can think of unless they were asked (by SEC) to give the brokerage houses every last minute to cover.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Is everyone sure that there is NO way for them to drag this out any longer and still be "compliant"?
Like an extension to the extension? lol
Posted by Chartwalker on :
looking like she wants to go up again....
Posted by dog on :
Why test loyal shareholders like this?
Waiting doesn't appear to be in this "shareholders best interest."
That's it... sending Rufus my Happy Hour tab.
Posted by Doniboy on :
Not even funny...I have read that companies can have multiple extensions....
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Is everyone sure that there is NO way for them to drag this out any longer and still be "compliant"?
Like an extension to the extension? lol
Posted by 10of13 on :
Surfer...you're right...BUT if the filing doesn't come out during trading...I'm afraid that there will be a huge sell off near the close...maybe a larger dip to get a couple hundred free shares...and I won't flip all...just some...I guess I just like causing myself stress...lol We'll see... C'mon Rufus...pretty please?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.20 is a ress point.
3 of 4 pos now on min chart...
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Not even funny...I have read that companies can have multiple extensions....
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Is everyone sure that there is NO way for them to drag this out any longer and still be "compliant"?
Like an extension to the extension? lol
Relax dude - the co. has said that the 10K will be out today, so just trust them and wait.
Posted by kXsToCkKiD on :
they also said it would be out a few weeks ago...
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Not even funny...I have read that companies can have multiple extensions....
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Is everyone sure that there is NO way for them to drag this out any longer and still be "compliant"?
Like an extension to the extension? lol
Relax dude - the co. has said that the 10K will be out today, so just trust them and wait.
They can get the "E" and then that can sit for months.
Posted by 10of13 on :
The only thing that has been nice today is that my ESLR gapped over a buck...thinking of throwing some of those funds into this...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: 2.20 is a ress point.
3 of 4 pos now on min chart...
Chartman...do the charts still look funny...like news is coming?
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Not even funny...I have read that companies can have multiple extensions....
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Is everyone sure that there is NO way for them to drag this out any longer and still be "compliant"?
Like an extension to the extension? lol
Relax dude - the co. has said that the 10K will be out today, so just trust them and wait.
I hate to say this, BUT...they have simply said they will be compliant. They also said the 10K would be out, etc. on the 29th, and do we have it yet? Nope.
I really just want that document....NOW.
I know we will make good gains here, but it hacks me off to have my money tied up here waiting when I see other plays I planned on playing if funds were available doing big gains....
Greedy - you bet I am! Posted by CRab on :
The only reason that I ask is the use of the word compliant...it just sounds like clintonian speak to me...
Although...maybe that is all they are allowed to say so as not to give out "privileged" info?
I don't know...for me though...this is an all or nothing deal...either this thing gets released eventually or every cent I have in this disappears...I've come to peace with that...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: The only reason that I ask is the use of the word compliant...it just sounds like clintonian speak to me...
Although...maybe that is all they are allowed to say so as not to give out "privileged" info?
I don't know...for me though...this is an all or nothing deal...either this thing gets released eventually or every cent I have in this dissapears...I've come to peace with that...
They legally cannot say otherwise or trouble would ensue.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: 2.20 is a ress point.
3 of 4 pos now on min chart...
Chartman...do the charts still look funny...like news is coming?
they are just holding now...
50/50 read.
Waiting for that volume spike It's holding up well IMO
Posted by RyanPBF on :
going on 6min with nothing.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
supp 2.16 ress 2.20 -interday
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: 2.20 is a ress point.
3 of 4 pos now on min chart...
Chartman...do the charts still look funny...like news is coming?
Ya Walker!!!! \ What's funny about um anyways???
And where in the devil are you gettin that 2.01 support level from????
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Hey Tax, R U stilling watching for the filing? Do you have Edgar pro?
Yes I am watching... just not too closely, trying to get some stuff done this Monday morning, just encase I have something come up and have to take the rest of the week off to PARTY!
I do not have Edgar Pro... I have TaxBack Pro. It is a little application I built that scans the SEC and EDGAR lists all day and tells me if it finds something I am looking for. The only thing that would stop me from seeing it is if I am not physically at my desk.
With that in mind I will let you in on a number of filing timing things I have noticed. If it shows on the SEC list, it usually shows on the EDGAR list in less than a minute. Normal filings like Form 4s and 8Ks show up on my list about four to ten minutes after they are physically filed by the company. (I got a little game going with the guy who does filings for my company. In the last two months he has only got one past me and that was because I was not monitoring CSHD for what ever reason.) The NT 10-K solely based on last weeks filling appeared about 20 min after the price began to move... sooo based on this other filings like 10-K and 10Qs may take longer than the 4 to 10 minutes. Anyway if it comes out and I am at my desk... you all will be aware of it by me or someone else with speedy reflexes very soon after.
Calm down take a breather... and hope Rufus ends our suffering sooner rather than later. Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Just got off the phone with Sabra!!!
She said hang in there folks its gonna be a great day!!!!
I said your not gonna make us wait till after hours.... Her response was You know I can't tell you that.
Lots of laughing and excitement.
so hang in there!!!!
I believe her... Yes I do
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.01 10/12 at 11:10
Posted by cassity on :
Thanks Tax.
Posted by cassity on :
Looks like something is coming alive on L2's.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Hey Tax, R U stilling watching for the filing? Do you have Edgar pro?
Yes I am watching... just not too closely, trying to get some stuff done this Monday morning, just encase I have something come up and have to take the rest of the week off to PARTY!
I do not have Edgar Pro... I have TaxBack Pro. It is a little application I built that scans the SEC and EDGAR lists all day and tells me if it finds something I am looking for. The only thing that would stop me from seeing it is if I am not physically at my desk.
With that in mind I will let you in on a number of filing timing things I have noticed. If it shows on the SEC list, it usually shows on the EDGAR list in less than a minute. Normal filings like Form 4s and 8Ks show up on my list about four to ten minutes after they are physically filed by the company. (I got a little game going with the guy who does filings for my company. In the last two months he has only got one past me and that was because I was not monitoring CSHD for what ever reason.) The NT 10-K solely based on last weeks filling appeared about 20 min after the price began to move... sooo based on this other filings like 10-K and 10Qs may take longer than the 4 to 10 minutes. Anyway if it comes out and I am at my desk... you all will be aware of it by me or someone else with speedy reflexes very soon after.
Calm down take a breather... and hope Rufus ends our suffering sooner rather than later.
Can't we get you a little bell that rings or something in case your at the potty.. LOL
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Stochastic was staying in the way over bought rat..
Only on break outs that happens, then you dump (if you're flipping) when the first line comes down and passes the red horizontal line.
That was odd cause there was no news or anything...
Posted by CRab on :
Thanks Tax that was pretty much what I was looking for...appreciate it...
If I would have thought about it...I think you actually mentioned that before...I'm a dummy sometimes, lol...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
we're heavy one mm on the ask side.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
The one thing that wasn't there was a volume spike. So we went down...
My guess would be 2.10 by lunch with no news..
Low Volume being the reason...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Can't we get you a little bell that rings or something in case your at the potty.. LOL
Oh great! Now I am crossing my legs... Thanks for making me think about it!
j/k actually there seems to be a promblem with the little applications SMTP connection or it would send me an alert on my crackberry. But it is too late now to go debugging it. I will just have to hope I am around to see it. I am sure I will have a "very" quick lunch today. LOL! (sprinting to the TOMS machine.)
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well I'd say we see 2.10 then. I don't think anything is coming in the next hour or so. For some reason it'll be the last 30sec before the deadline.
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Level II's have NITE at $2.19 on the bid and $2.20 on the ask. Spreads so tight they aren't making much money. Then again if they were really nervous the spread would be more.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I see night at bid of 2.13 and ask of 2.17
Posted by Danny_K on :
Looks like last year they filed the extension then waited to the last second to file the 10k. 10q was on time, thats good
SEC Accession No. 0001297077-05-000148 Filing date: 2005-10-14 Accepted: 2005-10-13 17:33:50 Posted by Chartwalker on :
Catiaengineer wanted to give us a little laugh, so here it is =============================
Ok, so here's the scenario. I feel I'm running out of time before the news comes out so here's the theory.
And this is meant to be parody by the way.
Rufus releases the 10k and its all that was expected. Tut turns out to be a democratic senator and also a member of the illuminati. Rufus astounds all the rumor mills by stating that they WILL indeed colonize the moon, starting immediately. Tut gets the democratic party behind rufus and rufus runs for president in the next term with hilary as his running mate. AISS designs and manufactures the structure for the new WTC and names it the Rufus trade center, rising like a phoenix from its own ashes. Tut leads the new world order into a common government building world peace everywhere. Mike alexander will be saving the planet 1 tree at a time and eventually wins the nobel peace prize for replenishing the amazon rainforest. Ben and sabra get married and are the first to have a child on the moon. Timothy miles is still crying scam but has asked ben if he could come to the moon, outside the SEC jurisdiction. Ben agrees but maurice is waiting for him in a armani designed space suit.
The end
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
12 noon, imo
Posted by Danny_K on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: 12 noon, imo
I bet you 500shs it wont come out at 12pm Posted by Chartwalker on :
all 4 pos, let's see what happens ~
Posted by RyanPBF on :
probably not much with no one buying. No buying pressure.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Catiaengineer wanted to give us a little laugh, so here it is =============================
Ok, so here's the scenario. I feel I'm running out of time before the news comes out so here's the theory.
And this is meant to be parody by the way.
Rufus releases the 10k and its all that was expected. Tut turns out to be a democratic senator and also a member of the illuminati. Rufus astounds all the rumor mills by stating that they WILL indeed colonize the moon, starting immediately. Tut gets the democratic party behind rufus and rufus runs for president in the next term with hilary as his running mate. AISS designs and manufactures the structure for the new WTC and names it the Rufus trade center, rising like a phoenix from its own ashes. Tut leads the new world order into a common government building world peace everywhere. Mike alexander will be saving the planet 1 tree at a time and eventually wins the nobel peace prize for replenishing the amazon rainforest. Ben and sabra get married and are the first to have a child on the moon. Timothy miles is still crying scam but has asked ben if he could come to the moon, outside the SEC jurisdiction. Ben agrees but maurice is waiting for him in a armani designed space suit.
The end
Too funny! Very creative!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
It is funny that you mentioned Tut... Cobra Oil and Gas just filed their 10QSB a few minutes ago... HA HA!!
COBRA OIL & GAS CO 10QSB 11:47 AM 8/31/2006
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I saw that too Tax
Posted by jmoe20 on :
I'm going to cry if this doesn't come out today.... Tears will be flowing
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well 12pm has come and gone and nothing.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
oh that reminds me!!!
Who said that was a VIper at Rufus' web site?!!!
I said Vette,..
Now if it isn't a Vette, why does it has a CHEVY emblem on it (two racing flags) Viper is a mopar, DODGE!
So I was right ~
It's a Vette ~
And oh yeah....
Here's a link to the 10k that was just filed....
-nope, not gonna give it to ya..... jk-ng! ~ Got nothing yet ~ Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: I'm going to cry if this doesn't come out today.... Tears will be flowing
I've got more if needed...
Posted by RichBy26 on :
hey chart, not sure where you see the vette. If you are looking at cvsu.us and then going to AISS, that red convertible is w/out a doubt a viper.
Posted by Vin on :
...frustration levels escalating!
I'm REALLY a positive person, but I'll tell you something, I haven't been tested like this for a while. This "nothing happening" period should have easily been predicted since this has happened every single time that they've made promises. If they are as concerned about the shareholders as they keep saying they are, then stop putting us through hell. If he's delaying to give it one more time to the MM's, well then his hate for the MM's FAR exceeds his love for the shareholders. He's proven that time and time again. Yes, I'm long, but my patience is wearing very very thin at this point.
No, not over-reacting or freaking out, just getting tired of these daily games.
AHHHHH, feel better now! Posted by Danny_K on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: oh that reminds me!!!
Who said that was a VIper at Rufus' web site?!!!
I said Vette,..
Now if it isn't a Vette, why does it has a CHEVY emblem on it (two racing flags) Viper is a mopar, DODGE!
So I was right ~
It's a Vette ~
And oh yeah....
Here's a link to the 10k that was just filed....
-nope, not gonna give it to ya..... jk-ng! ~ Got nothing yet ~
umm.. stick to charts man. Autos arnt for you. under AISS section, thats a viper bro. I didnt see a vette anywhere on that site.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Chart? Looks like a dodge emblem to me...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
and vin just out of curiousity. how long have you been in this.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: ...frustration levels escalating!
I'm REALLY a positive person, but I'll tell you something, I haven't been tested like this for a while. This "nothing happening" period should have easily been predicted since this has happened every single time that they've made promises. If they are as concerned about the shareholders as they keep saying they are, then stop putting us through hell. If he's delaying to give it one more time to the MM's, well then his hate for the MM's FAR exceeds his love for the shareholders. He's proven that time and time again. Yes, I'm long, but my patience is wearing very very thin at this point.
No, not over-reacting or freaking out, just getting tired of these daily games.
AHHHHH, feel better now!
Here ya go big fella...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: hey chart, not sure where you see the vette. If you are looking at cvsu.us and then going to AISS, that red convertible is w/out a doubt a viper.
I'm going to have to look again...
Saw one this weekend and remembered that..
-come to think of it, didn't I say it was a Viper in talking about what Tut said with the Viper talk....
Ah heck I can't even remember!!! LOL ~~~
Posted by Vin on :
I've been on since the FHAL days. My first buy was in July at .26. ...so long enough.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
it's definately a viper. The new vette looks a lot like the viper, but I definately think thats a viper.
Posted by 10of13 on :
AWWW Repo...you are being so thoughtful today... STOP IT! you're scaring me!
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Vin: ...frustration levels escalating!
I'm REALLY a positive person, but I'll tell you something, I haven't been tested like this for a while. This "nothing happening" period should have easily been predicted since this has happened every single time that they've made promises. If they are as concerned about the shareholders as they keep saying they are, then stop putting us through hell. If he's delaying to give it one more time to the MM's, well then his hate for the MM's FAR exceeds his love for the shareholders. He's proven that time and time again. Yes, I'm long, but my patience is wearing very very thin at this point.
No, not over-reacting or freaking out, just getting tired of these daily games.
AHHHHH, feel better now!
Here ya go big fella...
LOL Thanks Repo! You're my bud!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: I've been on since the FHAL days. My first buy was in July at .26. ...so long enough.
Yeah that's pretty long I've been in since middle of June. So I know what you're feeling. I am now past feeling anything I'm just numb now and not comfortably I might add.
Posted by 66inxs on :
hey repoman i hope you aren't repoing cars if you can't tell a viper from a vette! j/k !!
i sure wish i was in altanta today...........
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
slow volume and tight bid and ask all morning suggests to me that investors and potential investors are just watching and waiting until the 10-K is released......shorts can not do much while activity is slow like this...JMO Posted by CRab on :
haha...that is not a dodge emblem or flags...not to mention the fact that if you look close enough behind the driver side front wheel...it says VIPER...lol...
that is a little viper head on the hood...
unrelated...a really big car guy, a dentist whose office was right down the street from my neighborhood...actually had a bunch of corvettes and just got a new Viper Coupe...he died last week coming home from the race track...flipped it trying to pass someone on one of the river roads...terrible thing to happen...
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: AWWW Repo...you are being so thoughtful today... STOP IT! you're scaring me!
I'm looking out for my cultist community!
I've got the following available to you all when the 10K is not released...
and...
Posted by Vin on :
Anyone know how long since the last trade?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
3 min Vin
Posted by TimW on :
Can you get me a springfield armory xD ? If i go out id prefer it be in style.
Thanks buddy, youre the best.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: hey repoman i hope you aren't repoing cars if you can't tell a viper from a vette! j/k !!
i sure wish i was in altanta today...........
NO idea what you are referring too... wrong guy I think.
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: 3 min Vin
...seems like hours! Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Anyone know how long since the last trade?
Im showing about 4-5 minutes.
Posted by 10of13 on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: haha...that is not a dodge emblem or flags...not to mention the fact that if you look close enough behind the driver side front wheel...it says VIPER...lol...
that is a little viper head on the hood...
unrelated...a really big car guy, a dentist whose office was right down the street from my neighborhood...actually had a bunch of corvettes and just got a new Viper Coupe...he died last week coming home from the race track...flipped it trying to pass someone on one of the river roads...terrible thing to happen...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
going on 6min now with nothing
Posted by CRab on :
on the hood it's not a dodge symbol...it's a little viper head...that is all I was saying...on the back there is one as well that acts as the third breaklight...
It is a Viper...
Posted by Vin on :
Why is it that with this inactivity, this comes to mind?
Posted by frank021474 on :
Repo that was hilarious! Posted by TimW on :
Theres been some movement..
Posted by Igor R on :
Just picked up a couple more .
Posted by maumee river rat on :
TIM!!!You better clean yourself up before you get a rash!!! Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: TIM!!!You better clean yourself up before you get a rash!!!
Sorry.. cant take eyes off ticker.. must wait it out. *calls his German Shepherd over*
Posted by RyanPBF on :
at least carry some baby wipes around Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
Why is it that with this inactivity, this comes to mind?
et tu, Gort?
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well I see I didn't miss much ~
-except a couple good laughs! Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: TIM!!!You better clean yourself up before you get a rash!!!
Sorry.. cant take eyes off ticker.. must wait it out. *calls his German Shepherd over*
Thats bad.....LOL Really BAD>>>hehehe
Posted by Jo4321 on :
C'mon, Repoman. I'll mix you up a little of this:
Jo CSHD Cultmember and Your fellow FRPT Long
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: C'mon, Repoman. I'll mix you up a little of this:
Jo CSHD Cultmember and Your fellow FRPT Long
Hehe..
Who doesnt like grape?
Posted by jmoe20 on :
I've never seen a graph this flat for cshd ever.... everyone is ready to pull the trigger on this one. 10K comes out, this thing is sky rocketing, if it doesn't we are going to tumble below sea level.
Posted by CRab on :
what if I'm already below sea level, lol...
new orleans if funny like that...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
NITE has got that ask locked up good. What a schmuck.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
ok...
Surfer, call again and tell them to stop eating donuts and file the dang 10k!...
Posted by a surfer on :
just got back.. Whats up 30 buys at 2.17 and no movement
Posted by RyanPBF on :
NITE was on top of the ask. He never budges
Posted by Chartwalker on :
both line's of Stochastic are slammed against the ceiling, beenm like that for almost 10 minutes yet we aren't climbing.....
ahh, there we go..
Posted by CRab on :
hurrah...the first upward movement in over an hour, lol...
Posted by a surfer on :
are we getting ready to explode
Posted by St. Matthew on :
From Tut....there's that damn "compliant" word again.
Today, 10:48 AM #11778 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 267 Good news for shareholders. Just talked with Mitch Stepaniak regarding shareholders list and I also asked him about the 10k. Yes they have until 5:30 and they will be compliant. So everyone hold tight but there is no doubt that we will have what we are waiting for.
After today you are either with or without. Are you ready to rock Wall Street and the World?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I hate that he starts out almost all of his statements "good news for shareholders" to me good news for shareholders would be something we don't know that's good. we've heard this "good news" for 15 days now. it's not good news it's old news.
Posted by a surfer on :
at least mitch and sabra aren't saying they have till midnight..
oh I am so optomistic!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: Well we had no school today again...cause of the snow and downed trees and no electricity in some areas... All in all I can watch till 10 45 then it;s off to the lawyers office to sign some papers ~LOL~ hopefully when I come back there's great news!
Are you in Buffalo?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I kid you not!! I think Cass and I were talking about signs last week when I told everyone I went across the street to get a sandwich, and some obscure radio station was on the entire trip playing the theme song to the movie "The Secret of My Success".
Well, I just got back from the exact same trip today, and while in line at the drive through I thought hmm I wonder what is on that odd radio station. Well I tuned it over and low and behold guess what was playing...
"The Devil Went Down to Georgia" a country song written and performed by the Charlie Daniels Band
No CHIT! What kinda sign could that be!! It is a good thing I don't believe in signs. HA!
Anyway enjoy... I thought it was a pretty cool little story.
Posted by CRab on :
quote: Are you ready to rock Wall Street and the World?
They keep saying this...I just want to know what the hell they are refering to here???
Is it just what the company is going to be doing...or some huge policy change...it could be anything...with varying levels of "rock"...I'm curious as hell here...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well, lunch time here folks (noon) catch ya later.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
com-pli-ant /kəm-pla-ənt/ Pronunciation Key -
–adjective 1. complying; obeying, obliging, or yielding, esp. in a submissive way: a man with a compliant nature. 2. manufactured or produced in accordance with a specified body of rules (usu. used in combination): Energy Star-compliant computers.
Posted by wallymac on :
I have to say that I am getting tired of hearing if we are ready to rock Wall Street and the World. Enough build up, we've been ready for a long time. Let's just get it done.
GLTA Wally
Posted by dog on :
Yes.. I'm ready to "rock Wall Street"... been at the quarry all weekend. Got a nice truckload of fist-size stones.
Just trying to decide when to start throwing.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
or who to throw them at. Posted by a surfer on :
Taxback are you tut..
Posted by CRab on :
This L2 is crazy looking...just wierd
edit: Ok the 500 share trans that just went through on the bid just normalized it a bit for me...still strange though...
Posted by dog on :
L2's look like possible breakout.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Yes.. I'm ready to "rock Wall Street"... been at the quarry all weekend. Got a nice truckload of fist-size stones.
Just trying to decide when to start throwing.
LOL thats funny
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Guys if no 10K put me on suicide watch Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Taxback are you tut..
LOL! No way... I couldn't make this chit up if I tried! He seems pretty good at that.
Posted by 10of13 on :
You can purchase a few articles from Repo, He has extra tissues, Draino, guns, rope and he is giving away free hugs...you may want to hurry with your order...I hear theres a back order on the hugs
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: Guys if no 10K put me on suicide watch
Posted by CRab on :
It feels like there is a Dam with a couple little cracks in it...and water is dribbling down the walls...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
that's scary talk coming from you crab below sea level. How is are country's party town doing.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
What's going on pretty quick upswing?????
Posted by 10of13 on :
Are we going to move? Has the race begun?
Repo...get ready to fire that gun...
Ready, set...
Posted by thedoctor on :
OH OH
Posted by a surfer on :
28500 gone through
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Is it coming....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
28500 buy
Posted by bigstocks on :
Ok Repo did you buy that 28,5k?
Posted by jmoe20 on :
thats a BIG BIG buy $63,000 buy. That ain't no person, institutional
Posted by Igor R on :
Yea is something up? Activity just started popping up all of a sudden.
Posted by CRab on :
Better than ever...everyone should come and visit...all the places the tourists go to are doing incredibly well...
Our first cruise ship left yesterday...one of the new NCL boats...my parents were even on it...
The City is doing great...not anything like is being portrayed on tv...
Posted by maumee river rat on :
OK.....
What is the benefit to waiting till EOD to put ot the 10K...
Is there any purpose for this????
Can't think of any good reason to wait untill close.....1 hour before close would be good.....could even flip that....There would be a bunch of profit takin too which would give the MM a shot to cover a little more...
I DON'T KNOW!!!!! bla-bla-bla-bla-......!!!
Sorry for the rant!!!!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I don't see anything yet.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
lookie lookie what do we have here? a bit of a climb... hmmm wonder why?
Posted by jmoe20 on :
This thing is boiling right now, ready to burst....
Posted by 10of13 on :
LMAO...Maumee? Did you not get your meds this morning?
Ryan? Hon, you have to take your hands off of your eyes to see...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
If you look at that one upswing about 100,000 shares were bought in that period of time which jumped it up about 9 cents.... Something has to be known 100,000 shares just don't go through like that.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
nope just spread my fingers open a couple of times lol.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Keep peeking....maybe soon you will see:
Posted by RyanPBF on :
3 mirror trades just went through. Arca looking to pick up some shares at 2.20 with a lot size of 58
Posted by beatheodds on :
Im sorry, but I have weak hands. I couldnt stand the drama so I got out, if the 10k comes out ill chase it up. But GLTA.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Something going on ask size is 2.25 x 1000
Posted by Doniboy on :
OK, I'm back in baby. This is going to be interesting.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Bid 2.25 ask 2.27.... Anyone got any news??
Posted by 10of13 on :
No sorry...you did what was right for you....GLTY!
quote:Originally posted by beatheodds: Im sorry, but I have weak hands. I couldnt stand the drama so I got out, if the 10k comes out ill chase it up. But GLTA.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by beatheodds: Im sorry, but I have weak hands. I couldnt stand the drama so I got out, if the 10k comes out ill chase it up. But GLTA.
WHAT 4 more hours..... GL.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
DING DING DING
Posted by 10of13 on :
Somethin's up....C'mon let's play! Keep goin' baby!
Posted by Doniboy on :
running Posted by a surfer on :
whats charts phone # He would like this 2.33-2.35
Posted by bigstocks on :
2.35
Posted by CRab on :
someone started buying...
Posted by bigstocks on :
Nothing on edgar or that Georgia site that I can see.
Posted by 10of13 on :
buys going through above the ask...!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
nite at 2.41
Posted by Doniboy on :
$2.40 Posted by CRab on :
.15-.20 on that many trades...makes me a little nervous...
oh hell...not really...i'm over nervous, lol...I ate my tums today so i'm good...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Continuing its ask on an upswing, this is great news so far on no news, insiders know something, keep your fingers crossed guys, Something was released a PR or something, for teh volume to be so flat, and then this thing swing up 20 cents in the last 15 minutes, someone released something somewhere
Posted by JHenry on :
Whats going on? I can't find a filing or news yet?
Posted by a surfer on :
uh oh!!!!!!!! God we deserve this!!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
I think the MM's have wound the spring too tight and it just POPPED!
Posted by Jenna on :
Can't find anything....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
nothing out yet. I hope they're not running this up to chop the hell out of us to cover.
Posted by CRab on :
jeese...it's going up ten cents every twenty five trades or so...
there is resistance right around this area...then again around 2.70 and 2.85...
I think...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Bids are knocking against the ask hitting back and forth volume looks good, MM's are throwing in small sells to try to hold it down, but its not working
Posted by thesource on :
Yeah something is brewing ........ its about damn time !!
Posted by $$$bill on :
cshd!
our you on the train?
Posted by a surfer on :
Where is BB and the cheers????? Come on 2.50
Make that 3.00 no make that 15!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by jmoe20 on :
How would that be a good strategy for teh MM's now? No one will sell at this point with the anticipation in the news and the stock up .28 cents right now... That would not be a good play on the MM's part
Posted by RyanPBF on :
chart, rat what do the charts look like.
Posted by Doniboy on :
its a battle at $2.51
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by bigstocks: Ok Repo did you buy that 28,5k?
No, but someone just bought 100K shares of FRPT at 7.90... that's $790,000 worth of a BB stock...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Perhaps the MM's got the "word" from their boss to cover...cause it's goin' to be reset very high!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: chart, rat what do the charts look like.
Their at lunch!!!! WTF you don't eat on D-Day
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Great...I have a meeting for the next hour...if someone will call me, I will leave my number in a PM?!?!
Posted by Jenna on :
How weird 2 Harris corps just came up on Edgar!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Great...I have a meeting for the next hour...if someone will call me, I will leave my number in a PM?!?!
Send it to me matt I will call you right away
Posted by Doniboy on :
profit takers on short run....
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Jenna, What do they have to do with CSHD?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Headfake??? Well they are about four dollars off of where they will get a few of my shares.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
support 2.35 -intraday...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Off to a meeting...my gut has been telling me for a couple of hours that the 10-K or a PR will come out at 2:00pm. Hopefully, I am right. See you guys in a bit.
Posted by $$$bill on :
wow! false alarm
Posted by Jenna on :
Nothin' Jhenry- just thought that was weird- Harris- didn't know if it was any relation to Rufus.
quote:Originally posted by JHenry:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Look in here: there are 2- down the page..
Boo hoo, not our Harris...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by beatheodds: Im sorry, but I have weak hands. I couldnt stand the drama so I got out, if the 10k comes out ill chase it up. But GLTA.
I would never critize some one for getting out when they are comfortable, but that must have hurt jumping off a moving elevator like that.
GLTU
Posted by Chartwalker on :
looking like our bottom...
Posted by Jenna on :
I'm lookin' for any kind of sign....even wishin' the cvsu site would go down for a few minutes...something...anything...I'm feelin' a little nauseous...
Ok I'm better... Let's roll Rufie!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
might go lower, where's our volume...?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I'm lookin' for any kind of sign....even wishin' the cvsu site would go down for a few minutes...something...anything...I'm feelin' a little nauseous...
Ok I'm better... Let's roll Rufie!
Just chill out & go have a Garbage Plate at Nick's...Man, do I miss those.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
I work at Aetna Insurance Company, and i'm trying to get work done, but this stock is killing me!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
I feel like we're all trapped on Gilligan's island & everytime we see a something move in the horizon we think someone's comin' for us. We need someone to resue us.......Rufus can you hear us................SOS
Posted by Chartwalker on :
2.35 as support.... -intraday. hold baby....
Stochastic now at oversold so I'm looking for a bounce up anytime...
all neg yet.
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I'm lookin' for any kind of sign....even wishin' the cvsu site would go down for a few minutes...something...anything...I'm feelin' a little nauseous...
Ok I'm better... Let's roll Rufie!
Just chill out & go have a Garbage Plate at Nick's...Man, do I miss those.
My co-workers and me were just talking about those this past weekend? Might have to go this week. Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I'm lookin' for any kind of sign....even wishin' the cvsu site would go down for a few minutes...something...anything...I'm feelin' a little nauseous...
Ok I'm better... Let's roll Rufie!
Just chill out & go have a Garbage Plate at Nick's...Man, do I miss those.
Holy sh*t!!! Early I just drove past SHaeller's & Abbott's. How do you like me now?!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL...Jenna now Repo is going to come and offer to save you...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I feel like we're all trapped on Gilligan's island & everytime we see a something move in the horizon we think someone's comin' for us. We need someone to resue us.......Rufus can you hear us................SOS
Posted by Chartwalker on :
perfect!
Bounced right off our support!!
Posted by Jenna on :
JHenry- can you guess where Stocktrader2006 is from?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Shut up!!!
They don't sell Zweigles hot dogs down here either...I have to stock up & buy 12 packages everytime I go up there....lol
Posted by $$$bill on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: I work at Aetna Insurance Company, and i'm trying to get work done, but this stock is killing me!!!!
i'm at work too, but i put work on pause all day today.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Any application developers around that know how to use Visual Basic and want to do my job while i watch this stock?
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: JHenry- can you guess where Stocktrader2006 is from?
UUUHHH - Rochester?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
3 of 4 pos Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL...Jenna now Repo is going to come and offer to save you...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I feel like we're all trapped on Gilligan's island & everytime we see a something move in the horizon we think someone's comin' for us. We need someone to resue us.......Rufus can you hear us................SOS
Oh no- did I summons him?
I'd rather meet up with native head hunter's!
Posted by Doniboy on :
I work in insurance too...I'm telling your boss
quote:Originally posted by $$$bill:
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: I work at Aetna Insurance Company, and i'm trying to get work done, but this stock is killing me!!!!
i'm at work too, but i put work on pause all day today.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Hahah, where about Doniboy? Im in Hartford, CT Aetna.. you near me ? If we bank this lets take a trip to Vegas and have a week off.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: JHenry- can you guess where Stocktrader2006 is from?
UUUHHH - Rochester?
There's alot of Rochestarians on here!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
dip
Posted by kXsToCkKiD on :
jmoe, whatcha lookin for? Posted by RyanPBF on :
New Haven CT
Posted by Doniboy on :
I work for an agency in East Greenwich Rhode Island.
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: Hahah, where about Doniboy? Im in Hartford, CT Aetna.. you near me ? If we bank this lets take a trip to Vegas and have a week off.
Posted by JHenry on :
Bummer - Time to go to work.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I'm lookin' for any kind of sign....even wishin' the cvsu site would go down for a few minutes...something...anything...I'm feelin' a little nauseous...
I know what you mean! Posted by jmoe20 on :
Man, we have a lot of Connecticut/ RI insurance people here Posted by RyanPBF on :
arca wants shares but doesn't want to move off his bid yet
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Go Amerks!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I'm lookin' for any kind of sign....even wishin' the cvsu site would go down for a few minutes...something...anything...I'm feelin' a little nauseous...
I know what you mean!
Where's the end of the tunnel? Can you see the light yet?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Oh I'm not an insurance guy. You're all legalized extortionist Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Go Amerks!!!
Now you're just showin' off!
We're you a Greece Athena Trojan?
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL...Jenna now Repo is going to come and offer to save you...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I feel like we're all trapped on Gilligan's island & everytime we see a something move in the horizon we think someone's comin' for us. We need someone to resue us.......Rufus can you hear us................SOS
I'll be your Gilligan anytime...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Anyone in CT, if everything goes as planned, i'll have a party for all CSHD shareholders...
Posted by Doniboy on :
It just means that we know how to assess risk and we have decided that this play is worth the risk Posted by a surfer on :
LGTD went to 50.00 on the ask
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Just for 4 yrs.
Posted by kXsToCkKiD on :
due to financial problems, the light at the end of the tunnel had to be turned off...
Posted by jaztile1 on :
I was born in Danbury can i come famile in reddong
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by kXsToCkKiD: due to financial problems, the light at the end of the tunnel had to be turned off...
QUOTE OF THE DAY!
Posted by jmoe20 on :
quote:Originally posted by kXsToCkKiD: due to financial problems, the light at the end of the tunnel had to be turned off...
Yes!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL...Jenna now Repo is going to come and offer to save you...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I feel like we're all trapped on Gilligan's island & everytime we see a something move in the horizon we think someone's comin' for us. We need someone to resue us.......Rufus can you hear us................SOS
I'll be your Gilligan anytime...
uh oh 10 you we're right.....Hi Repo!!! How are you?
Repo, just remember Gilligan use to bunk with the Skipper!!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
jmoe ~ I am well versed in Insurance apps and VB, but I think this stock will have to hit for you to afford me as a contractor. probably better off just coding it yourself. Posted by Chartwalker on :
LMAO Jenna! lol ~~~~
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote: Originally posted by kXsToCkKiD: due to financial problems, the light at the end of the tunnel had to be turned off...
We wish to assure all riders that the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned back on....tommorrow.
Posted by 10of13 on :
What are you saying? Repo? You like heavy set older men?
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: LOL...Jenna now Repo is going to come and offer to save you...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I feel like we're all trapped on Gilligan's island & everytime we see a something move in the horizon we think someone's comin' for us. We need someone to resue us.......Rufus can you hear us................SOS
I'll be your Gilligan anytime...
uh oh 10 you we're right.....Hi Repo!!! How are you?
Repo, just remember Gilligan use to bunk with the Skipper!!
Posted by a surfer on :
volume stopped
Posted by Chartwalker on :
so.........
Well that was fun now what? Posted by bigstocks on :
There it goes.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
surf you want to call Matt and tell him his guess was a no go 2:00 been and past.
Posted by casviper on :
Go Hatters!!!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
all pos now...
Posted by tompom on :
i´m back in let´s see what happens
Posted by NEL on :
I've got to pick my kids at 4pm, hope we have something before EOD or I'll miss it!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: surf you want to call Matt and tell him his guess was a no go 2:00 been and past.
I forgot to ask him what to call him about.
Should I call and tell him I saved a bunch of money on my car ins......
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Yeah call him, get him out of his meeting... and say "uuuh, nothing has changed." LOL!
Posted by Doniboy on :
Chart, I wish you could come up with a better term than POS. Maybe "All P+ right now"
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'm afraid without BB's cheerleaders this may not go... Posted by luvforever on :
Push...push...hey guys....ummm, I think the gates are almost open.... ummm...does this mean? OMG! Tell me I'm wrong....NOT! Iswear they are moving ...listen ...creeeeaaak Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: 2 hours left.. :-D
3 and a half for the filing
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Hahah tax. Yea now im working a little bit in Java, gah i hate java... good ole ODBC is crapping out on me to right now come on cshd!!
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: This link shows us getting the E on the 18th
that's what it looks like to me chart. Did you check the link.
They're just forecasting the 'rain' on the 18th - doesn't mean it WILL rain.
Sabra said we would be happy on Monday.
Posted by a surfer on :
Thanks doc. Thats been put to bed.
Cmon Rufus. Do it NOW!!!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: Hahah tax. Yea now im working a little bit in Java, gah i hate java... good ole ODBC is crapping out on me to right now come on cshd!!
Yep, I charge more for Java! j/k I like Java spend most of my time in C# and AJAX now. C# is just a hijacked and improved version of Java anyway. At least they did fix the problems found in JDBC. Enjoy, CSHD must make it hard to concentrate, I know it is over here. GLTU
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Guys someone contact someone on the OTCBB site, and confirm this if you can find a number, I can't call from work... Make sure that this means that if they dont file they will receive this, or they are definately receiving this e at the end of there symbol.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Because they can't just change the symbol that day, there needs to be some notification or lag time... There is a possibility im sure that we are indeed receiving this e.
Posted by Vin on :
I can't believe it...but like every other time with these guys, they may have found a way to keep stringing us along even further!!!!!!!!! I've got to hand it to them, I didn't think that they could do it this time, but it looks like they may. They're good. Faith falling fast. Still holding, but not a bit happy right now.
*#$%*#*&^#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: Because they can't just change the symbol that day, there needs to be some notification or lag time... There is a possibility im sure that we are indeed receiving this e.
Jmoe read the posts Doc already called.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: This link shows us getting the E on the 18th
that's what it looks like to me chart. Did you check the link.
They're just forecasting the 'rain' on the 18th - doesn't mean it WILL rain.
Sabra said we would be happy on Monday.
Did she say we ( as in the shareholders) or they (cshd officers) will be happy today? Meaning their plane to the bahamas leaves in an hour . J/k j/k
Posted by Chartwalker on :
how about someone calling again or posting the #?....
Posted by jmoe20 on :
All Security Symbols appended with an "E" will be ineligible for quotation and subject to removal from the OTCBB in 30 calendar days (60 days if denoted with a plus sign "+") if the NASD does not receive information indicating that the company is current in its public reporting obligations pursuant to Rule 6530. ** indicates NSCC Eligible Security (National Securities Clearing Corporation) Questions concerning OTCBB changes should be directed to: Corporate Data Operations at (203)-375-9609
Posted by Danny_K on :
LOL..
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: I can't believe it...but like every other time with these guys, they may have found a way to keep stringing us along even further!!!!!!!!! I've got to hand it to them, I didn't think that they could do it this time, but it looks like they may. They're good. Faith falling fast. Still holding, but not a bit happy right now.
*#$%*#*&^#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can see you now...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Doc you called that Corporate Data Operations number? (203)-375-9609
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
looks like we are in trouble, CSHD better get their sh*t straight
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Vin: I can't believe it...but like every other time with these guys, they may have found a way to keep stringing us along even further!!!!!!!!! I've got to hand it to them, I didn't think that they could do it this time, but it looks like they may. They're good. Faith falling fast. Still holding, but not a bit happy right now.
*#$%*#*&^#!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can see you now...
THAT'S ME!! THAT'S ME!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I'm afraid without BB's cheerleaders this may not go...
Where is she. I thought she said she'd be here today?
Posted by a surfer on :
Repo cmon I bet you have at least a 1000 shares.
You can't resist.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: This link shows us getting the E on the 18th
that's what it looks like to me chart. Did you check the link.
They're just forecasting the 'rain' on the 18th - doesn't mean it WILL rain.
Sabra said we would be happy on Monday.
Did she say we ( as in the shareholders) or they (cshd officers) will be happy today? Meaning their plane to the bahamas leaves in an hour . J/k j/k
I'll be in the Bahamas next week.. I'll be sure to say hello to Rufus.
Posted by a surfer on :
I'll be in the abaco's next week
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Did Sabra sound like she was in and airport? Was there steel drum music or sea gulls in the background? Was there an odd pause in the conversation like the communication was bouncing off a satelite? LOL ROTFLMAO!
Posted by TimW on :
PPS dropping like a fly sprayed with raid.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Chart? support? next resistance?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
just got back, why did we rise to 2.53 and why are we falling now???
anyone else see that 132K buy???
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: how about someone calling again or posting the #?....
Chart...I promise you I called....They assured me that it just stated that it would change If we didn't comply. I'll look for the number
Posted by a surfer on :
132,205 BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Just a headfake Rich...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Doc you called that Corporate Data Operations number? (203)-375-9609 <--- Call this number its on the otcbb site and they said to direct any questions to this site.
Posted by CRab on :
that looks like someone settling up...a combination of a bunch of trans...
Posted by a surfer on :
$313,325.85 Thats a good buy there
Posted by bigstocks on :
They have to put that out is all. JMHO
Posted by Igor R on :
man thats $314K wowsa.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Here's the number (203)-375-9609
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: 132,205 BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you know it was a buy? Usually with a sell order that large, MM's drop the price to pick off buyers, group those shares, and then give the seller his fill.
If it was a buy, they usually would run it up, group all the sellers' trades, give the fill.
The price has been dropping right? That sell order could have been why.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Just a headfake Rich...
thats a big headfake, man we need those filings soon...
Posted by thedoctor on :
I did
Posted by Chartwalker on :
supp 2.25 but looking like it wants to bottom right here...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
You know that large transaction could have been a sell and a reason the price just dropped nearly 0.10...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I don't think people are all warm and fuzzy seeing this on the daily list. Not cool.
Posted by Doniboy on :
The Buy was above the ask at the time. So I assume it was a buy.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: 132,205 BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you know it was a buy? Usually with a sell order that large, MM's drop the price to pick off buyers, group those shares, and then give the seller his fill.
If it was a buy, they usually would run it up, group all the sellers' trades, give the fill.
The price has been dropping right? That sell order could have been why.
Go suck an egg.... LOL
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: The Buy was above the ask at the time. So I assume it was a buy.
Late print.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
etrade, it was a sell, it displays in red 150,000 shares... wasn't no buy plus the price dropped 10 cents... institution got scared, or saw that otcbb site.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
OKAY! Enough of that! Time to take off!
Posted by cool AZ on :
The "transaction" went through at 2.3784 and sales before and after were 2.32 and 2.34 respectively.
Posted by bigstocks on :
Tax wrote: You know that large transaction could have been a sell and a reason the price just dropped nearly 0.10...
LoL. Ya what a tank. Posted by Chartwalker on :
That's why I always say what it is...
a "Market order"
Posted by jmoe20 on :
bottoms about to drop out... watch out.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
we're going to keep going down. IMO
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: 132,205 BUY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How do you know it was a buy? Usually with a sell order that large, MM's drop the price to pick off buyers, group those shares, and then give the seller his fill.
If it was a buy, they usually would run it up, group all the sellers' trades, give the fill.
The price has been dropping right? That sell order could have been why.
Go suck an egg.... LOL
I know how you must feel right now...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: etrade, it was a sell, it displays in red 150,000 shares... wasn't no buy plus the price dropped 10 cents... institution got scared, or saw that otcbb site.
It has nothing to do with that site... Everyone has an E date its a fact.
Posted by cool AZ on :
LGTD on the ask at $50 pps!
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: etrade, it was a sell, it displays in red 150,000 shares... wasn't no buy plus the price dropped 10 cents... institution got scared, or saw that otcbb site.
I have Power Etrade Pro...that TRANSACTION was above the ask...therefore it was green...the green and red do not signify buys and sells...only where the transaction was in relation to the bid and ask...
Could it have been a late print...absolutly...could it have been a group of smaller trades whose combined total equaled that total with that odd price...more than likely...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
anyone else seeing we are frozen???
Posted by RichBy26 on :
has anyone gotten through to CSHD to ask them about this OTCBB link with the (E)????
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Rufus you sob...
making us wait.
2.25 supp.
Posted by thesource on :
I'm sorry but this is no way to treat your sotck holders . What a damn joke !!!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
if by frozen you mean dropping then yes.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: if by frozen you mean dropping then yes.
Hahahaha.
Posted by TimW on :
went from fast volume to a halt...
Posted by 10of13 on :
We are still near where we gapped open...good lord people relax...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
you know either way if this works out or it doesn't Rufus deserves an azz kicking. One more severe than the other situation dependant
Posted by tompom on :
allright out again glta
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Rufus you sob...
making us wait.
2.25 supp.
Posted by Jenna on :
Repo - you're killing me over here!
Posted by Sandusky on :
Sphincter factor seems to be in play...take your meds and enjoy the show.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Repo - you're killing me over here!
I know how you all feel now... there there...
Posted by dlab on :
cfp HSM Regular
Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 293
I just called Sabra and she said she feels bad that some are worrying for nothing but "we will be compliant" and she said I will not have to eat my words. I wish I could tell you more , she said , but you know i can't. She said PLEASE TELL EVERYBODY WE WILL NOT HAVE AN E PERIOD!!!!!" SHE WANTS EVERYONE TO HANG ON!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: you know either way if this works out or it doesn't Rufus deserves an azz kicking. One more severe than the other situation dependant
I'm definately down for that !!!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Repo the man with a picture for any given situation.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: This link shows us getting the E on the 18th
I do what I can. I should've never posted it sob j/k would never hold out on info Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I'm afraid without BB's cheerleaders this may not go...
down the same amount since this post as well...whats the difference, lol...
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by dlab: cfp HSM Regular
Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 293
I just called Sabra and she said she feels bad that some are worrying for nothing but "we will be compliant" and she said I will not have to eat my words. I wish I could tell you more , she said , but you know i can't. She said PLEASE TELL EVERYBODY WE WILL NOT HAVE AN E PERIOD!!!!!" SHE WANTS EVERYONE TO HANG ON!
Posted by thedoctor on :
This is from Shadone on HSM
I just called Sabra and she said she feels bad that some are worrying for nothing but "we will be compliant" and she said I will not have to eat my words. I wish I could tell you more , she said , but you know i can't. She said PLEASE TELL EVERYBODY WE WILL NOT HAVE AN E PERIOD!!!!!" SHE WANTS EVERYONE TO HANG ON!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: surf you want to call Matt and tell him his guess was a no go 2:00 been and past.
Sorry...2:00pm central...I'm in Big D. I'm out of my meeting, but about to grab some lunch. Be back shortly after 2:00pm.
Nice excuse so you are saying 3:00 real time EST
Posted by thedoctor on :
Sorry Repoman
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Right after I post about handing out butt kickings. Low and behold on comes the radio playing no more Mr. Nice Guy.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Right after I post about handing out butt kickings. Low and hold on comes the radio playing no more Mr. Nice Guy.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
now I feel complete I got a pic from repo lol
Posted by Chartwalker on :
almost funny repo! ha ha ~
ok it was...
Posted by milliam on :
I'm not trying to tick anyone off, but man yall sound like some serious whiners.
You act like Rufus should only have you in mind with anything he does. Its his company, if you can't stand not being in control or having someone do whatever you want, I say get out.
I know you're all ready for this to happen, but as 10 said...chill out peeps. Things are way too emoitional in here, and Repo is eating it up!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: almost funny repo! ha ha ~
ok it was...
Just tell me when to push this.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by dlab: cfp HSM Regular
Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 293
I just called Sabra and she said she feels bad that some are worrying for nothing but "we will be compliant" and she said I will not have to eat my words. I wish I could tell you more , she said , but you know i can't. She said PLEASE TELL EVERYBODY WE WILL NOT HAVE AN E PERIOD!!!!!" SHE WANTS EVERYONE TO HANG ON!
that's worth 5 stars! Posted by jmoe20 on :
Now im starting to get frustrated... Sabra is not greeting us with the thing that we want!!!!
Posted by ClayN on :
Agreed. They have until 5:30. If they don't file by then, then you can chit in your pants, cry, complain... etc...
quote:Originally posted by milliam: I'm not trying to tick anyone off, but man yall sound like some serious whiners.
You act like Rufus should only have you in mind with anything he does. Its his company, if you can't stand not being in control or having someone do whatever you want, I say get out.
I know you're all ready for this to happen, but as 10 said...chill out peeps. Things are way too emoitional in here, and Repo is eating it up!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: Now im starting to get frustrated... Sabra is not greeting us with the thing that we want!!!!
Posted by SherriT on :
Well, my lunch was good anyway Posted by Doniboy on :
Why wait Rufus? Just file the damn thing.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I think most of us are just trying to have some fun.
Posted by Doniboy on :
All right Repo. My computer is lagging enough without all your pics. Give it a rest.....
Posted by TimW on :
Im a firm believer in managing expectations..
People call me negative, but I'd suggest more people be like me.
No matter what, always expect the worst. My expectations, what i expect from this stock, is to lose everything.
Now, when this stock exceeds my expectations, I will be pleasant.
If it meets them, I will also be happy, because it met my expectations.
Theres no way it could ever be below my expecations.
Try looking at everything in life that way.. Helps alot
Psychology 105 is now over.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: Now im starting to get frustrated... Sabra is not greeting us with the thing that we want!!!!
Then sell!
Posted by Doniboy on :
WWTD?
What would TimW do? Thats my new life motto.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Why wait Rufus? Just file the damn thing.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Not sure if anyone spoke with Sabra...I just off the phone with her and she said... "WE WILL NOT BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE...WE WILL NOT HAVE AN 'E'"...I CAN ASSURE YOU". She could not tell me if it would come before or after the market close. She said they were getting slammed with phone calls and had to make it short and sweet.
FWIW... Posted by RyanPBF on :
doc brought over a post from hsm saying pretty much the same thing. Thanks though matt
Posted by new2stocks on :
repo~ Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: All right Repo. My computer is lagging enough without all your pics. Give it a rest.....
I'll check in after the close today... see who jumped and who is still around...
Posted by Sandusky on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Im a firm believer in managing expectations..
People call me negative, but I'd suggest more people be like me.
No matter what, always expect the worst. My expectations, what i expect from this stock, is to lose everything.
Now, when this stock exceeds my expectations, I will be pleasant.
If it meets them, I will also be happy, because it met my expectations.
Theres no way it could ever be below my expecations.
Try looking at everything in life that way.. Helps alot
Psychology 105 is now over.
LOL sounds like clinical depression. Very inspiring Posted by Jenna on :
Hey Rascal FLats was just on, "What hurts the most, is being so close!"
Now Steve Perry's on, "Oh Sheeri"
Listening to this music makes it easier. It seems like all the songs are appropriate.
Thinkin' of ya SherriT
Posted by Fredgrasshopper on :
Repo .... You always come through at the right time dont you? You are a class act. You bring tears to my eyes. Thank You from a long.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
OT: but I know a lot of you CSHD are SLJB holders...
News is out for SLJB
looks like next week may be blastoff
"Furthermore CEO Vucicevich stated, "I have been assured by our auditors that we will be in possession of all documents by week's end. With any luck we will have time to review the documents and submit them for our shareholders to review."
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey Rascal FLats was just on, "What hurts the most, is being so close!"
Now Steve Perry's on, "Oh Sheeri"
Listening to this music makes it easier. It seems like all the songs are appropriate.
Thinkin' of ya SherriT
How 'bout this one when 10K is out:
WHOOOOMP! There it is!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
LMAO New2 ~
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: OT: but I know a lot of you CSHD are SLJB holders...
News is out for SLJB
looks like next week may be blastoff
"Furthermore CEO Vucicevich stated, "I have been assured by our auditors that we will be in possession of all documents by week's end. With any luck we will have time to review the documents and submit them for our shareholders to review."
Hopefully these both skyrocket.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Repo is alright he is just having some fun at our expense, I mean when else can you slam people on a day when their stock is in the green.
I think he put up a pict of a a guy getting a tooth filled on my last comment "Asking I don't know which is worse holding a stock with a 5% gain or getting you tooth filled?"
Fact is if this thing goes to nothing you still won't see me panic. i am not in over my head. Repo likes it because he feels everyone should not know how to make money. When most of us... not all mind you... have made money in this and are not going to get hurt.
Let him play it will be fun when Rufus let's 10-K fly and Repo goes on to other boards to pick on them.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Originally Posted by tutankhamen Yes I saw it but I just talked with Sabra Dabbs again and she said that is for the 18th and theywill not have an "E". They "have until 5:30 today and they will be compliant". They have a game plan and it is for the shareholders best interests and they will be compliant.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: surf you want to call Matt and tell him his guess was a no go 2:00 been and past.
Sorry...2:00pm central...I'm in Big D. I'm out of my meeting, but about to grab some lunch. Be back shortly after 2:00pm.
Nice excuse so you are saying 3:00 real time EST
Right...one hour before market close...although, after speaking with Sabra...who the *&%! knows...LOL
Posted by RyanPBF on :
oh yeah well renegade is on my radio is on right now.
The news is out the jig is up they finally found me.
Posted by a surfer on :
132205 again
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Steve Miller Band on - "Go on take the money & run....
Posted by a surfer on :
whats that one repo another sell??? Yea right!!
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Hey Rascal FLats was just on, "What hurts the most, is being so close!"
Now Steve Perry's on, "Oh Sheeri"
Listening to this music makes it easier. It seems like all the songs are appropriate.
Thinkin' of ya SherriT
LMAO - I don't know which song is worse, that one or Sherry by the Four Seasons
I'm not jumping ship - this WILL happen!
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: 132205 again
And yet the stock does not move.
Posted by Doniboy on :
I'm listening to "I still haven't found what I'm looking for" by U2. Now THATS irony....
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Originally Posted by tutankhamen Yes I saw it but I just talked with Sabra Dabbs again and she said that is for the 18th and theywill not have an "E". They "have until 5:30 today and they will be compliant". They have a game plan and it is for the shareholders best interests and they will be compliant.
She also told me that it's normal for them to post those companies who are in their last day to file...and haven't yet filed, on that website...seems like a waste of time to me, but probably makes sense to them. Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: oh yeah well renegade is on my radio is on right now.
The news is out the jig is up they finally found me.
This radio stuff is fun. huh Ryan, makes it easier.
Elton John on "Turn 'em on, Turn on those sad songs when all hope is gone, why don't yo tune in & turn them on!"
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I have elton john rocket man right now.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Boy there beter be some EARTH SHAKING good news Rufus.....
half a stick of Rolaids gone already! ~~ Posted by thesource on :
Looks like everyone is scared right now ....... no one wants to pull the trigger .
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: 132205 again
maybe they realized they sold on emotion and bought back!! Maybe they called Rufus and said wtf and Rufus told them we were good. Who knows, too many people trading on emotion
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well guys I hate to leave all this fun, but I gotta get going. I'll check in in a little while.
Posted by cool AZ on :
TimW Member
Member Rated: posted 10-16-2006 14:48 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Im a firm believer in managing expectations..
People call me negative, but I'd suggest more people be like me.
No matter what, always expect the worst. My expectations, what i expect from this stock, is to lose everything.
Now, when this stock exceeds my expectations, I will be pleasant.
If it meets them, I will also be happy, because it met my expectations.
Theres no way it could ever be below my expecations.
Try looking at everything in life that way.. Helps alot
Psychology 105 is now over.
-------------------- Buy high, sell higher.
Yes, I can see why you say people call you negative ... let's see, you manage expectations by not having any!
I have the highest expectations from this play but choose not to get caught-up in the emotional highs and lows. JMO
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Oh and Matt. 3:00 est over and done with no filing.
Posted by Doniboy on :
"too many people trading on emotion"
I'm a little Verklemmt, talk amongst yourselves. I'll give you a topic...The Holy Roman Empire was neither holy nor Roman nor an Empire...Discuss...
Posted by jaztile1 on :
maybe they realized they sold on emotion and bought back!! Maybe they called Rufus and said wtf and Rufus told them we were good. Who knows, too many people trading on emotion
No trading on emotion here...WAY too much DD from this board to think that this is only an emotional thing...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Hey Repo I found one you can use later... OK?
{oh well guess you can't use that one.}
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Did Sabra sound like she was in and airport? Was there steel drum music or sea gulls in the background? Was there an odd pause in the conversation like the communication was bouncing off a satelite? LOL ROTFLMAO!
LOL...Sounded like she was stressed out of her mind...very busy trying to assure callers that everything is OK.
Uh...kinda like someone sounds when they are packing their bags for a quick trip...J/K Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
C'mon Rufus, let 'er rip!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by betting babe on :
anything? i just got back.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by jaztile1: Repo ringing his bell
Now that has to be one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
nothing....
Posted by thedoctor on :
I was looking so forward to today and I still am but this is not the exciting type of day I want. I know its not over, but; what ever their reason is to wait till the very end, it better be a very very good reason. This is pure torture.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
yeah I hate to say it New2.... LOL ~~~~~
Posted by Chad on :
if 10Ks not in by EOD, does that mean they get the "e" on it tomorrow or do they still have some extra days??
Posted by Vin on :
It's 5:30 Eastern Time, correct? ...sorry if that was already clarified, just don't recall seeing it.
Posted by betting babe on :
nothing and were at 2.30? nice.
Posted by TimW on :
quote: Yes, I can see why you say people call you negative ... let's see, you manage expectations by not having any!
Lol.. there are expectations.. losing. Anything else, is bonus. Posted by Chad on :
this all scares me as I remember what happened with NDOL and that last minute change in plans.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: nothing and were at 2.30? nice.
company is saying:
Originally Posted by tutankhamen Yes I saw it but I just talked with Sabra Dabbs again and she said that is for the 18th and theywill not have an "E". They "have until 5:30 today and they will be compliant". They have a game plan and it is for the shareholders best interests and they will be compliant.
Posted by TimW on :
The only thing I can think of is they are going to do this after market close, followed by a PR and then delay openning of CSHD in the morning. I can't think of any other reason.
Posted by thesource on :
ITS OUT !!!!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Makes sense...I sorta expected something like this...
Today, 01:44 PM #12854 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 272 Quote: Originally Posted by qrq3p7 Ok guys..............if you can't figure out what just happened, you better start paying closer attention.
The price just ran up to 2.50 for no good reason, everyone gets excited....guess what, someone shows up with an E scenario page along with the usual subtle bashers at the same time MMs walking price down (even old Kapone showed up)............hmmm.....shaking trees, who falling for it.
We have ppl in here who have been with us awhile and say they're long but they are here for one reason and one reason only.....some of you need to wake up...........
.
Triple Bingo!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Not a head fake!!!!
Thousands of SEC filings and ONE of EXTREMELY MAJOR interest...
Alright Rufas!!!! Repoman choking on his image files... I have the Conversion Solutions 10K!!!!
As a result of the Merger agreement between FrontHaul Group and CSHD [incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act)] Item 2.6 Average Closing Price Adjustment which reads a follows;
In the event that the Actual Average Closing Price is less than $15.00, the Surviving Holdings Company shall deliver written notice to the Company no later than the second (2 nd ) Business Day preceding the Closing Date pursuant to which the Surviving Holdings Company shall elect, in its sole discretion, to: (a) maintain the Average Closing Price at a price equal to the Actual Average Closing Price; (b) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4 ) an amount in cash equal to $15.00 minus the Actual Average Closing Price per share of Buyer's Stock to be received by such holders of Company Shares; or (c) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay no additional consideration to the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4 ).
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Posted by Jenna on :
The radio:
"This one's for the girls" is on! (and boys!)
Posted by CRab on :
DAMN and I have to restart my computer!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Yesss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Posted by trade2win on :
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Posted by Kelroz on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
That does not sound like what he promised. lol O well we will see how ppl like it soon enough.
Posted by TimW on :
Ladies and gentlemen please fasten your seatbelts. You know where the oxygen masks are, youre going to need them.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
Posted by 10of13 on :
So we will be getting more shares...and not the reset for the price that we had hoped? Soooo...we now have to wait until the 30th....
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by trade2win: The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Can someone explain, I'm not sure I get it.
Posted by betting babe on :
hrm. is tha toutta the money he set aside? like a dividend?
me confused didnt read whole thing.
Posted by TimW on :
What if PPS is above $15 by then?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Here we go!!!!
Posted by milliam on :
Looks like the A/S is 200,000,000. That's up from before, right?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
ok so we have the 10K, where is the other PRs that were suppose to follow, one big swoop right???
Posted by Kelroz on :
I am thinking he is trying to hold the price over $1.73 for 30 days for his NASD listing hopes>?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: What if PPS is above $15 by then?
What do you care? LOL!!!
Posted by trade2win on :
This is funny, 15/x-x = 15/0??? $15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006
Posted by bigstocks on :
Wheres a pic for this Repo? Posted by betting babe on :
ok that's more of a swoon than a swoooop.
swoop rufus swoop!!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
someone straighten this snake out...
Bottom line this baby for us...
Posted by milliam on :
I'm not getting the whole 15/X-X. X seems like X, thus it would be 15/0, and that's an un-solvable equation. There must be some mis-wording in there. Maybe they mean acual closing minus actual opening or something.
Either way, its for Oct. 30th, so I think we'll be waiting for awhile.
Posted by mathis on :
on yahoo Form 10KSB for FURIA ORGANIZATION INC /DE/
Item 7 Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operation
The Following information is provided as required by Item 303 of Regulation S-K (§ 229.303 of this chapter).
The following discussion of CSHD's financial condition and results of operations should be read in connection with CSHD's consolidated financial statements and notes thereto appearing elsewhere in this annual report. This discussion contains statements reflecting the opinions of management as well as forward-looking statements regarding the market and CSHD that involve risks and uncertainties. These statements relate to
expectations and concern matters that are historical facts. Words such as "believes", "expects", "anticipates" and similar expressions used throughout this document indicate that forward-looking statements are being made.
Although management of CSHD believes that the expectations and opinions reflected in its forward-looking statements are reasonable, these statements are not guarantees of future performance. They are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors that could cause actual performance to differ materially from projected results. Additional risk factors are disclosed elsewhere in this annual report.
The Audited Financials notes to the financials of CSHD is incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act).
Item 7A
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by TimW: What if PPS is above $15 by then?
What do you care? LOL!!!
Just wondering if it would set it back or not.
Posted by LucidLight on :
I think he is giving more shares instead of restting the price to screw the naked shorters! Say 15/3 = 5 - 3 = 2 Shares! Am I right?
Posted by Vin on :
This can't be good...price is falling.
Posted by Kelroz on :
Anyone find anything that is rocking our world?
This will make the shorting problem MUCH bigger however. Trying for a short squeeze again?
Posted by Spooky on :
Bottom of page 21...
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Posted by Vin on :
This confirms my previous beliefs...he hates the shorters more than he loves the shareholders.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well???
whats the word?...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: surf you want to call Matt and tell him his guess was a no go 2:00 been and past.
Sorry...2:00pm central...I'm in Big D. I'm out of my meeting, but about to grab some lunch. Be back shortly after 2:00pm.
Nice excuse so you are saying 3:00 real time EST
Right...one hour before market close...although, after speaking with Sabra...who the *&%! knows...LOL
Missed it by nine minutes...nine minutes I tell ya. Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Looks like a forward stock split if closing price is less than 15.00 on 10/30.
Reverse split if more than 15.00???
Posted by $$$bill on :
yo what's up the price falling?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
If you have a 1000 shares now and the average price on Oct 30th 2006 is still $2.44 then the ratio is 3.70. Meaning they issue you 3700 share of new un restricted stock.
Sounds like a deal to me!!!
Posted by SherriT on :
Did someone say we were going to like this?
Posted by LucidLight on :
I think it should be (15/X)- 1 not X. One is to account for the share we already own.
Posted by Chad on :
so if were at 3.00 on the 30th, divide by 15.00, which is 5.00 then minus the 3.00 close, which is 2.00?
so whats it all mean???
Posted by cassity on :
This is sweet!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: If you have a 1000 shares now and the average price on Oct 30th 2006 is still $2.44 then the ratio is 3.70. Meaning they issue you 3700 share of new un restricted stock.
Sounds like a deal to me!!!
Where does it say unrestricted?
Posted by thesource on :
I'm lost .........
Posted by luvforever on :
That's what we were crying about????? Man .... So we won't see anything till the end of the month...What else can they push back? Maybe the pps will go up before then without the co. releases lol Guess another few weeks we cn wait... I take if you get in now you stil will get some $ if they don't sink it....LOL oh well all my opinon....smile the gates will open sometime..... Posted by Chartwalker on :
This sounds SWEET!!
Posted by cassity on :
IT means that your basically guaranteed $15. Even if the PPS is $2. You will have the equivalent of $15 in stock.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Looks like a forward stock split if closing price is less than 15.00 on 10/30.
Reverse split if more than 15.00???
Not true stocktrader... Option C is only for a share price less that $15. No reverse split at all!!
This is awesome! "In the event that the Actual Average Closing Price is less than $15.00"
Posted by wallymac on :
THey have to follow this up with some type of PR because right now it's total confusion and sound like dilution.
GLTA Wally
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: If you have a 1000 shares now and the average price on Oct 30th 2006 is still $2.44 then the ratio is 3.70. Meaning they issue you 3700 share of new un restricted stock.
Sounds like a deal to me!!!
Did we see the word unrestricted though?
Posted by TimW on :
Put a $ amount to it to better understand it.
If you have 1,000 shares, and the value is $2.00, you have $2000.
With this 15 reset, you will have $15,000 value, which is equivelant to 7,500 shares. Meaning you will get an additional 6,500 shares.
make sense?
Posted by luvforever on :
It is sweet ...So sweet! It's a coming lol Posted by NEL on :
I'm sure there is more coming to bring this pps up...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
so someone call and let them tell you!
This sounds good IMO...
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006: Looks like a forward stock split if closing price is less than 15.00 on 10/30.
Reverse split if more than 15.00???
Not true stocktrader... Option C is only for a share price less that $15. No reverse split at all!!
This is awesome! "In the event that the Actual Average Closing Price is less than $15.00"
That is why I had ????'s after Reverse split if over 15.00.
I wasn't telling, I was asking.
Posted by luvforever on :
Yes i think there's gotta be something to bring the pps up or the co. wil be giving out a lot of shares lol and I bet they don't want to do that!!! That might hurt the reserve LOL Posted by LucidLight on :
But the new shares you get, CAN NOT be NEW! Otherwise it is a split and it will dilute the price. The shares have to come from the company. They are hoping that the stock is above $15 and they don't have to give any shares away.
Posted by CRab on :
I can hear the bashers now...
DILUTION!!!!DILUTION!!!!DILUTION!!!!
Oh...and for the love of all that is holy...can they please release a damn PR to let the rest of the trading populous know the 10KSB is out...I mean...looking at the L2...it's like nothing freaking happened!!!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: If you have a 1000 shares now and the average price on Oct 30th 2006 is still $2.44 then the ratio is 3.70. Meaning they issue you 3700 share of new un restricted stock.
Sounds like a deal to me!!!
Where does it say unrestricted?
The ten day notice is in accordance to SEC Dividend and Split Rules. You can not implement a forward split to a different class of stock that I know of. I will research it but they have to give you the same class you already own. in our case Common Stock.
Posted by portman on :
Best not to comment or make decisions until you see the complete picture...One which none of us has right now.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
price going up!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Will this apply to all, what if I buy some more shares this week for my babies will they get the extra shares?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
has anyone gotten to the assets??? does it show the billions we were expecting? I'm looking just haven't gotten that far yet..
Posted by 10of13 on :
Looks like the market is making a clear decision on if this is good or bad..the PPS is movin' up...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
price climbing hard!!!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
ok guys just got in 10k out awesome. Has anyone read it yet? how does it look?
Posted by betting babe on :
Setup of Company
The Company's plan of operations for the remainder of 2006 is to raise capital against its asset base and develop its’ role in the niche market for securities offerings using asset based funding techniques. This entails the development of the CSHD business model. CSHD intends to list its stock on the NASD. To this end, CSHD is in discussion with various market makers to engage in a firm underwriting using a syndicated market distribution approach. Moreover, CSHD intends to set up a captive insurance operation through its’ insurance liaison with Lloyds affiliations, who are members of the CSHD team. CSHD intends to write policies to cover its loans, when applicable and secure the proper re-insurance for underwritten loans through the London reinsurance markets and other applicable markets. CSHD has made arrangements to secure primary insurance against loan loss through the London insurance market and others and has several reinsures available for the underwriting of such insurance through its captive. CSHD is setting up to operate an ABS management company in manage its portfolio. CSHD intends to operate its business and apply for a company rating from Fitch rating service. As CSHD’s public target will have been a corporate entity for more than five (5) years with more than 3 years of operating history, it will qualify for submission to Fitch Rating Service for a company rating. Such a rating will be beneficial in Europe and the US.
Posted by portman on :
If you think we are confused....what do you think the MM's think?
If they blow the price down they need to distribute a lot of shares...if they make it rise they have to cover.
Brilliant at first glance...I hope that assessment holds.
Posted by cool AZ on :
I like it! Progression is nice ... gives a chance to move ahead in a good fashion!
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: has anyone gotten to the assets??? does it show the billions we were expecting? I'm looking just haven't gotten that far yet..
check out pages 35 and 36...
Posted by Doniboy on :
Why Can't I get the damn report?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab:
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: has anyone gotten to the assets??? does it show the billions we were expecting? I'm looking just haven't gotten that far yet..
check out pages 35 and 36...
slow loading... why?!!!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
thanks Crab!
Posted by Jo4321 on :
From the 10K (capitals mine)
quote:Plan of Operations
Setup of Company
The Company's plan of operations for the remainder of 2006 is to raise capital against its asset base and develop its’ role in the niche market for securities offerings using asset based funding techniques. This entails the development of the CSHD business model. CSHD INTENDS TO LIST ITS STOCK ON THE NASD. To this end, CSHD is in discussion with various market makers to engage in a firm underwriting using a syndicated market distribution approach.
anyone feeling anti climatical?
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by CRab:
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: has anyone gotten to the assets??? does it show the billions we were expecting? I'm looking just haven't gotten that far yet..
check out pages 35 and 36...
slow loading... why?!!!
shows the billion in bonds...
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay: anyone feeling anti climatical?
Yes - not sure what to feel. Excited they did release it, excited we will be compensated in some way, but feels like it is dragging on again...
Posted by glassman on :
For those that don't know...the easiest way to view and read the 10KSB is by going the CVSU webpage and click on the 10KSB...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
remember Rufus said there was nothing in the 10-k that we didn't already know about. I'm just extatic that they filed it. Now the audited financials in this one are supposed to have more weight than the financials from the 8-k? according to some bashers.
Posted by djg7 on :
Pages 35 and 36.
FHAL and the Company intend to file an S-4 registration statement/prospectus in connection with the proposed Merger for the registration of the Company shares pursuant to the Merger agreement. Completion of the Merger is subject to customary closing conditions, including, among other things, (i) absence of any order or injunction prohibiting the consummation of the Merger; (ii) the accuracy of the representations and warranties of the each party; and (iii) compliance of each party with its covenants.
The Merger Agreement contains certain termination rights for both the Company and FHAL.
This description of the Merger Agreement is qualified in its entirety by the terms and conditions of the Merger Agreement.
GLOBAL FUNDING AGREEMENT #252455779-08122006-LBH
On August 18, 2006, subsequent to our audit period and not audited or reviewed as part of these financial statements, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. entered into a Global Funding Agreement #252455779-08122006-LBH with the Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD., a Georgia LTD Foundation.
The funding agreement brings a Four-Hundred and Fifty Million Euro ($579,149,833 USD converted) denominated Note on Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC with a 6 1/8% coupon to the Company's Assets. The MTN holds an S&P, Fitch, and Composite A+ rating with a Moody's A1 rating.
CONVERSION SOLUTIONS HOLDINGS CORP. (A DEVELOPMENT STAGE COMPANY) NOTES TO THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS
Effective August 22, 2006, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. and the Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD., a Georgia LTD Foundation increased the Deposit under Global Funding Agreement #252455779-08122006-LBH, with the addition of the following bonds; Republic of Finland $749,000,000 Million Euro with a 6% coupon.
Because these transactions (Global Funding Agreements) occurred subsequent to the audit period, they were not reviewed or audited but merely referenced to and disclosed in these footnotes.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I am very excited... the numbers are in a 10KSB and I am getting my $15.00 a share! Now we know why it is important to be on the list.
Posted by Vin on :
PPS going nowhere. So is it that they don't like it, or just don't understand it? Thoughts?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
why are we sinking????
Posted by Chad on :
so do you think they will slowly raide the price of stock to get to $15? or will it stay around $2-3.00
Posted by a surfer on :
every sell is 500 WTF
Posted by Chartwalker on :
confusion I think...
Posted by Doniboy on :
The reason the PPS is staying or dropping is because of the complete Basher attack all over the Internet. Ihub has seriously about 25 bashers taking complete control of the board. All the same idiots who said that there would never be a 10K.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay: anyone feeling anti climatical?
And you're still at $2.27.... going automatically to $15 huh... more like...
Posted by Chad on :
I meant raise the price....also, do they just give us more shares to equal what would be $15 worth if its not at that price already then?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well if we're getting $15 a share what's to bash? WTH are they saying..?
Posted by djg7 on :
Remember the MMs still control and they can whatever they want to do with this stock. Mass confusion leading to a drop in pps. IMO
Posted by cassity on :
We are still on the OTC that is why the PPS sucks! They will never stop screwing with the PPS. Their time is coming! I expect more news, SOON!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Sell out if you are not comfortable with this... Makes no matter to me at this point. The lower it is the more shares I get. they reverse it to lower the share count and I can still have promised amount.
I will be concerned with the price after the 30th now. I just did the calculation at a dollar a share and my account is looking pretty sweet.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
So does that mean the shares i bought 2 weeks ago, i won't be compensated? That doesn't seem accurate... The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Posted by MTPromises on :
very strange - the "gifting" of shares to increase your portfolio to an equivalent "$15 per share" should be driving up demand - after all, who wouldn't want to buy shares for $2 knowing that on Oct. 30th, you'd have more shares given to you to raise your overall value by 7.5 times (based on $2 PPS). My guess is that the information has not been digested, yet.
Posted by LucidLight on :
I think that this is 900 Million Rufus said that he could use to buy shares with. He is going to buy them to give to us if the price is not $15 bucks.
Posted by Kelroz on :
If they issue more shares for the *reset* its like a Foward split which means the price will adjust DOWN with no HUGE news to back it up.
At least thats how I read it.
I sold half of my free shares in the 2.20s and they took them all quick in 500 share blocks. I wanted the $15 reset.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: So does that mean the shares i bought 2 weeks ago, i won't be compensated? That doesn't seem accurate... The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Well joe, I think you bought before the 30th of October didn't you?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
they should have put this out over the weekend so people could understand it IMO...
Posted by portman on :
Like I said... what is an MM to do...they can't move right now until they understand what this means to them.
Some will sell on weakness. Some will listen to Repo. Some will spend tonight reading and understand their position and decide what to do tomorrow.
Posted by Jenna on :
Tax, what about people that aren't on the list, like my mom bought shares on the 6th. Does this not apply to her?
Posted by Jo4321 on :
It sounds a lot like there will be a forward split. Which isn't a terrible thing, but it isn't a "reset".
Jo
Posted by SherriT on :
If you own shares on Oct. 30th, I think it means you get the $$, which is my distaste with it - it doesn't reward the longs, it just gives the doubters another 15 days to buy....
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: So does that mean the shares i bought 2 weeks ago, i won't be compensated? That doesn't seem accurate... The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Isn't that $15 / 0 ???? That's an unsolvable math equation!
Posted by beatheodds on :
You cant blame this downtrend on the MM's. Its the people ethier not understanding or not liking the 10k think about it day traders dont want to wait until the 30th.
Posted by a surfer on :
gee the rsi sure is low LOL....
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I think people are going to be really sorry they panic sold!!
Posted by djg7 on :
Why not flip this to get more shares?
Posted by glassman on :
repo? are you really that stupid?
Posted by Chad on :
by the equation, if this was at $15 on the 30th, divide by 15, equals 1, then minus the 15.....thats -14....doesnt make sense?
Posted by Doniboy on :
C'mon bell.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Remember that RPH said there would be a short elimnation (among all of his comments) and Sabra's reference to CSHD having a game plan.......we should be having faith in our company's officer's words........Just the same, CSHD needs to get the PR out that explains away the confusion and questions that are prevalent at the release of the 10-K, and what the broader plan and future ventures of the company mean, ......actually I'm surprised the 10-K was released before the close.....I was speculating the 10-K and the PR would be done together after the bell.
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: repo? are you really that stupid?
No, he isn't, Glass....and he has not been the whole time.
Posted by thedoctor on :
I can't understand why anyone would not be thrilled. This is just what we wanted. It doesn't matter what happens to the PPS because we will get the eqivalent of $15 PS on the 30th. Whether it is in shares or cash, in my opinion; the same value.
Posted by SherriT on :
Has anyone called Sabra yet?
Posted by Vin on :
The shorters really can't win on this, can they? I like that part of it, but not all that happy with the rest. Just feel like there something "hidden" in there somewhere that's gonna change everything. Need time to work through all of this.
1.84 Ouch!
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: by the equation, if this was at $15 on the 30th, divide by 15, equals 1, then minus the 15.....thats -14....doesnt make sense?
Read before you speak again.
Posted by betting babe on :
The Company's plan of operations for the remainder of 2006 is to raise capital against its asset base and develop its’ role in the niche market for securities offerings using asset based funding techniques. This entails the development of the CSHD business model. CSHD intends to list its stock on the NASD. To this end, CSHD is in discussion with various market makers to engage in a firm underwriting using a syndicated market distribution approach. Moreover, CSHD intends to set up a captive insurance operation through its’ insurance liaison with Lloyds affiliations, who are members of the CSHD team. CSHD intends to write policies to cover its loans, when applicable and secure the proper re-insurance for underwritten loans through the London reinsurance markets and other applicable markets. CSHD has made arrangements to secure primary insurance against loan loss through the London insurance market and others and has several reinsures available for the underwriting of such insurance through its captive. CSHD is setting up to operate an ABS management company in manage its portfolio. CSHD intends to operate its business and apply for a company rating from Fitch rating service. As CSHD’s public target will have been a corporate entity for more than five (5) years with more than 3 years of operating history, it will qualify for submission to Fitch Rating Service for a company rating. Such a rating will be beneficial in Europe and the US.
what is a syndicated market distribution approach? ~BB
Posted by Jenna on :
I don't understand why everyone is panicking. This is good news IMO.
Posted by Doniboy on :
C'mon bell damn it....Longest 5 minutes ever!!!!!!!!!
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Here is my question.... SOMOEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN
If CSHD is giving us more shares, that means more shares must be put into the market, meaning dilution, meaning reduction of share price, meaning no real benefit?
Posted by Bittermac on :
OMG!!!!!! They did it!!!!! What does the 10KSB mean? How is it different? It posts as a 10K so I am assuming it flies for it.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
I sold at $2.15 for an acceptable gain. Nothing like $15.00 though
But at least this way I will be able to look at it and research overnight without the panicky feeling as the price drops.
Jo
Posted by thedoctor on :
This is going to screw the shorters by the gonads. My guess is this is why the PPS is down.
Posted by $$$bill on :
what the hell just happen?
Posted by CRab on :
people aren't this stupid...I have doubts as to the validity of what we just witnessed...
Posted by djg7 on :
A pr explaining wtf is happening wouldn't hurt.
Posted by dollar13 on :
WTF happend????
Posted by SherriT on :
Are we just missing something???
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by portman: Like I said... what is an MM to do...they can't move right now until they understand what this means to them.
Some will sell on weakness. Some will listen to Repo. Some will spend tonight reading and understand their position and decide what to do tomorrow.
Too late to listen to me. If you remember, I came upon the "cult" when it was around .94... I said for all of you to sell when it ran over $3. You won at that point! That was your gift from Rufus, a 300% gain. But no, some of you continue to hold - why? GREED. I guess that's what separates traders from cultists. No different from those who didn't sell when QBID ran, when CMKX ran, etc., went down with the ship.
Greed kills.
Posted by betting babe on :
something is fishy.
nothing is contained in this filing that was a reason to wait for an almost-E.
what was it that they needed to get to file?
something is odd...
~BB
Posted by SherriT on :
10, Maumee, you guys here?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
has anyone contacted CSHD, I thought Sabra said watch out wall street, there must be more to this...
Posted by portman on :
The market is closed...go home and read....do not have others interpret this for you until after you have read it.
Jo...you are honest but I hope you do not get caught. I have no idea what tonorrow will bring but I bet tonight brings a PR.
Posted by $$$bill on :
missing someting? missing a lot of things imo,
like some money on my account, like my school money...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
that was some of the worse bleeding I've ever seen.
Posted by CRab on :
I'm really confused...
Posted by Doniboy on :
Thank God its over for today.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
we gang...
Let's start to pick this bad boy apart...
First, someone should contact CSHD, second let's watch to see what Tut says...
Posted by betting babe on :
somebody call rufus & sabra and say "ok we arent happy like u said" see what they say Posted by Kelroz on :
Tomorrow we will see if Rufus protects his magical *$1.73* price.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'm not getting that formula for the price reset am I missing something.
Posted by MTPromises on :
yah, I'm with you BB . . . the last time I checked - happy didn't feel like this - perhaps, that comes later tonight with a PR or after dissecting the filing
Posted by betting babe on :
and if someone can explain "market distribution approach" to me thatd be awesome, thx.
~BB
Posted by CRab on :
a great filing comes out and we tank like no other? is it just me or did it look exactly like when things like this have happened in the past...ya know, good news and then tank city...got naked shorts?
Posted by a surfer on :
I just left a message for Sabra..
Posted by Doniboy on :
Can you say WTF???????????????
Posted by maumee river rat on :
YUP!!!!
WHAT THE F#CK!!!
See,,..
Hey Walker!!! 10!!
WTF???
Talk to me!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: I just left a message for Sabra..
If she calls me back I am going to tape the conversation so I can accurately disseminate what she has said.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
I thought the reason for holding off the 10K was to put other deals in that were worth billions??
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I think everyone might be selling. Because there's no real reason right now to own this until Oct 30th. Why hold it now when you can buy for less. We are down almost .80 from hod thats unbelievable.
Posted by frank021474 on :
Hmmmm the Phoenix didnt open its wings. It was a pesky pigeon again-
A nice PR this eve would go a long ways.
-fw
Posted by bilgert on :
I think the formula is wrong. It should be (15/x)-1. Where X is the PPS on 10/30
Think about it this way. Assume you own one share and the PPS is $3 on 10/30. It works out to (15/3)-1 = ratio of 4. So Rufus gives you 4 times the number of shares you own- now you own 5. Assuming the PPS doesn't drop the next day
5x$3= $15
The real question is, what the hell is rufus thinking? He must be banking on the PPS being pretty high on 10/30. Otherwise, he'll have to dilute- and he promised he wouldn't.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: I thought the reason for holding off the 10K was to put other deals in that were worth billions??
NOPE:
the 10K IS for the period ending 6/30/06....
the only thing that mattered was filing it...
this play gets even more intersting than before...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: I thought the reason for holding off the 10K was to put other deals in that were worth billions??
NOPE:
the 10K IS for the period ending 6/30/06....
the only thing that mattered was filing it...
this play gets even more intersting than before...
Glassman what are you thinking about all of this?
Posted by SherriT on :
OK - here is another question....when is the 10Q supposed to be out? Is anything in there going to help our share price, and could that have anything to do with the timing of all of this?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
thanks glass, I just thought that's what rufus said awhile back...I'm still long
Posted by Doniboy on :
If we have to wait for the 10Q we will be subpenny. There had better be some explaining coming before tomorrows bell.
Posted by LucidLight on :
Ok guys this I think the 10K has it wrong. This is not the first time that they issued sec docs with a mistake. The math should be $15 / $X then minus your current share (1). So if it was $5 on close of oct 30. The math should be $15 / $5 = 3 then 3 - 1 = 2 more shares you will be getting for every 1 share you have. So 2+ 1(the share you already have equals 3, and 3 x $5 = $15. So now the shorts will be forced to cover 3 shares instead of just one. Screwing them all. This cannot be a split it does not make sense. It is a brillant way to raise the price to $15 giving the shorts time to cover before they end up having to cover alot more. Now they can try to keep the price low, and then Rufas will have to pay big time! But they still get screwed if they have any shorts after the 30th out.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: OK - here is another question....when is the 10Q supposed to be out? Is anything in there going to help our share price, and could that have anything to do with the timing of all of this?
Nov. 15th. is the last day for the 10Q. And yes it should have everything else we have heard about in it.
Posted by CRab on :
I don't get this...there are audited financials justifying the damn price in the 10K...
Why would this not be something to hold...IT MAKES ABSOLUTLY NO SENSE...people cannot be this damn stupid...
Posted by milliam on :
I guess this gives me time to open a new account and ditch TDA. I think I'll be able to buy in under $2 for a little while.....unless they really start some PRing.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: I think the formula is wrong. It should be (15/x)-1. Where X is the PPS on 10/30
Think about it this way. Assume you own one share and the PPS is $3 on 10/30. It works out to (15/3)-1 = ratio of 4. So Rufus gives you 4 times the number of shares you own- now you own 5. Assuming the PPS doesn't drop the next day
5x$3= $15
The real question is, what the hell is rufus thinking? He must be banking on the PPS being pretty high on 10/30. Otherwise, he'll have to dilute- and he promised he wouldn't.
You are reading it correctly. Which means that, you are going to get a ton of shares that day (supposedly)... and IF that happens, the MM's will drop the share price premarket like a ROCK, opening it WAY low.. you'll never be able to sell and will be back even.
Posted by 401k on :
I think something is wrong with the ratio as well. If the PPS is $4... then there are no additional shares issued... correct?? That can't be right...
Hopefully the big guy will clarify this evening...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: [QUOTE]Glassman what are you thinking about all of this?
i think a couple of people with large share blocks (about 500K shares) put their shares on the market at close...
this thing trades so thinly that it doesn't take much to cause this... as far as the 10K? it'll take awhile to read it... it can go up ALMOST as fast too...
Posted by dollar13 on :
i was expecting $5 EOD after the filing
LOL
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by LucidLight: Ok guys this I think the 10K has it wrong. This is not the first time that they issued sec docs with a mistake. The math should be $15 / $X then minus your current share (1). So if it was $5 on close of oct 30. The math should be $15 / $5 = 3 then 3 - 1 = 2 more shares you will be getting for every 1 share you have. So 2+ 1(the share you already have equals 3, and 3 x $5 = $15. So now the shorts will be forced to cover 3 shares instead of just one. Screwing them all. This cannot be a split it does not make sense. It is a brillant way to raise the price to $15 giving the shorts time to cover before they end up having to cover alot more. Now they can try to keep the price low, and then Rufas will have to pay big time! But they still get screwed if they have any shorts after the 30th out.
How do we get these shares if it's not a split. Where will they come from? Your right a split wouldn't do anything to raise the pps. I'm not getting where these shares will come from and maintain the closing price of 10/30
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: YUP!!!!
WHAT THE F#CK!!!
See,,..
Hey Walker!!! 10!!
WTF???
Talk to me!!!
have to pick this apart...
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by LucidLight: Ok guys this I think the 10K has it wrong. This is not the first time that they issued sec docs with a mistake. The math should be $15 / $X then minus your current share (1). So if it was $5 on close of oct 30. The math should be $15 / $5 = 3 then 3 - 1 = 2 more shares you will be getting for every 1 share you have. So 2+ 1(the share you already have equals 3, and 3 x $5 = $15. So now the shorts will be forced to cover 3 shares instead of just one. Screwing them all. This cannot be a split it does not make sense. It is a brillant way to raise the price to $15 giving the shorts time to cover before they end up having to cover alot more. Now they can try to keep the price low, and then Rufas will have to pay big time! But they still get screwed if they have any shorts after the 30th out.
How do we get these shares if it's not a split. Where will they come from? Your right a split wouldn't do anything to raise the pps. I'm not getting where these shares will come from and maintain the closing price of 10/30
If its not a split, its dilution. Period.
Posted by dollar13 on :
have a nice day guys..
Posted by LucidLight on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by LucidLight: Ok guys this I think the 10K has it wrong. This is not the first time that they issued sec docs with a mistake. The math should be $15 / $X then minus your current share (1). So if it was $5 on close of oct 30. The math should be $15 / $5 = 3 then 3 - 1 = 2 more shares you will be getting for every 1 share you have. So 2+ 1(the share you already have equals 3, and 3 x $5 = $15. So now the shorts will be forced to cover 3 shares instead of just one. Screwing them all. This cannot be a split it does not make sense. It is a brillant way to raise the price to $15 giving the shorts time to cover before they end up having to cover alot more. Now they can try to keep the price low, and then Rufas will have to pay big time! But they still get screwed if they have any shorts after the 30th out.
How do we get these shares if it's not a split. Where will they come from? Your right a split wouldn't do anything to raise the pps. I'm not getting where these shares will come from and maintain the closing price of 10/30
I think Rufus will use the 900 million in "buy back money" and pull them out of the treasury.
Posted by Doniboy on :
Repo, don't state fact without proof man. Tell me why you feel that its dilution instead.
Posted by wallymac on :
The problem I am having is how you deal with the dilutive effect of giving a stock dividend. If as in the example the PPS is $3 and you get a total of 5 shares vs the 1 share you currently own, the PPS will drop to reflect the issuance of additional shares. Unless the value is substantially increased and there is a move to NASDAQ that coincides with the reset that makes the shares more valuable than $15 a share. I'm still a bit confused. Will read more and attempt to decipher what the plan is but I've been wrong so far.
GLTA Wally
Posted by LucidLight on :
This might be the greatest "bluff" of all time. Basically telling the shorts to cover now, or your going to be paying through the nose later.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: The problem I am having is how you deal with the dilutive effect of giving a stock dividend. If as in the example the PPS is $3 and you get a total of 5 shares vs the 1 share you currently own, the PPS will drop to reflect the issuance of additional shares. Unless the value is substantially increased and there is a move to NASDAQ that coincides with the reset that makes the shares more valuable than $15 a share. I'm still a bit confused. Will read more and attempt to decipher what the plan is but I've been wrong so far.
GLTA Wally
No, you are right! Doniboy, its whatever it is - split or dividend, price will be reflected the morning of, thereby making you guys EVEN. You'll have more shares at a less price. That's it. He's not just going to give you guys shares...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I have to step away. I hope rufus clarifies all this.
Posted by SherriT on :
I want to hear from the company - an explanatory PR that the MMs can't manipulate the he[[ out of...while the 10K included what we expected in terms of financials, and they did it on time again, it feels just like the other extension day did.
I also don't see how Sabra or anyone could interpret this as being an awesome Monday...
Posted by Vin on :
I'm really trying to feel good about all of this...but really feel like we just got the major shaft. Too many "we thinks"...the 15/0 must be wrong...this won't be a dilution, it will come out of the 900 million...just guesses. We will lose a TON of money tomorrow if this isn't straightend out with a real PR tonight. Like I've said twice before today...Rufus hates the shorters more than he loves the stockholders.
I am trying to stay positive, but having a hard time. Will spend time tonight looking through all of this to see what good news I can pick out of it.
Posted by beatheodds on :
Why though? why tell the shorts to do anything. The company needs to grab them by the balls and make them do it. The truth is with all this time the shorts have ethiered covered already or have a plan in place to screw the longs. IMO
Posted by lostone on :
damn.. it looks like Rufus is trying to make it appear as though he wants the PPS to climb through MM covering still.. instead of having a reset with the backing of institutional buyers or even with company money.. all those promises were a bluff towards the MM's?? but then with the issuing of shares for shareholders, MM's would still have to cover.. but it's such a weak move.. MM's will just drive this to the ground and then cover.. i feel like a sucker, but then it was within my expectation anyway.. i had only hoped for a miracle, but miracles don't happen..
Posted by bilgert on :
I think your supposition that the 10K formula is wrong is correct (I posted just under you). However, it won't be the MMs problem to cover the share/dividends. It will be CSHDs, as it was CSHD who declared the divvy. Now if it was a cash dividend, it might be a different story.
This is getting more and more complex the more I think about it. I'll post more later.
quote:Originally posted by LucidLight: Ok guys this I think the 10K has it wrong. This is not the first time that they issued sec docs with a mistake. The math should be $15 / $X then minus your current share (1). So if it was $5 on close of oct 30. The math should be $15 / $5 = 3 then 3 - 1 = 2 more shares you will be getting for every 1 share you have. So 2+ 1(the share you already have equals 3, and 3 x $5 = $15. So now the shorts will be forced to cover 3 shares instead of just one. Screwing them all. This cannot be a split it does not make sense. It is a brillant way to raise the price to $15 giving the shorts time to cover before they end up having to cover alot more. Now they can try to keep the price low, and then Rufas will have to pay big time! But they still get screwed if they have any shorts after the 30th out.
Posted by Kelroz on :
10/30/06 If Rufus can hold his $1.73 price everyday until then he will have met his 30+ days at a Market cap sufficient for a Nasdaq listing?
Thats the only thing I can think he is hoping for at this point.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by beatheodds: Why though? why tell the shorts to do anything. The company needs to grab them by the balls and make them do it. The truth is with all this time the shorts have ethiered covered already or have a plan in place to screw the longs. IMO
I totally agree - this has turned into a pissing contest between Rufus and the shorts, and the longs who are trying to have faith in the company are being strung along...the 29th will be a day to remember - oh yeah, 15 day extension - Monday will rock Wall Street - oh yeah, you have until the 30th.....BS. No matter if I read this later and I end up getting $15 per share-ish that I currently hold, this play has turned to BS.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: is it a split? or is it a dividend?
Either or, what's the difference? Both result in a price adjustment... one on the ex date, the other on the split date. NO INCREASE IN SHAREHOLDER VALUE.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Guys calm down and do like Portman said "read" it is all in there. A PR to explain how it is going to work would be very helpful, but honestly I do not see the problems you do.
The ratio does seem to be wrong and I am calling to find out. It should be (15/x)-1 but in any case it is more than we should expect out of a 10KSB. The numbers are there and they are audited, and they look pretty. I will say that the ratio at current definitely guarantees us a share price of at least $3.50 so people selling really should be aware of what they are doing.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Sabra and Mitch are gone for the day...not sure how to read that. It's possible they just want us to absorb this 10-K. It's possible they left knowing there would be another PR out soon. It's possible they got tired of taking our phone calls. I left a message asking for an explanation of the "we would all be happy on Monday" and the "rocking wall street" statements.
Personally, I am still trying to digest all of this.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Sabra and Mitch are gone for the day...not sure how to read that. It's possible they just want us to absorb this 10-K. It's possible they left knowing there would be another PR out soon. It's possible they got tired of taking our phone calls. I left a message asking for an explanation of the "we would all be happy on Monday" and the "rocking wall street" statements.
Personally, I am still trying to digest all of this.
They went to catch their plane to the Bahamas
I know I am griping...for whatever reason though, I do still believe that good things are coming...
Anyone seen if our good Egyptian posted any words of wisdom re: the flight of the Phoenix that just s--- on my windshield?
Posted by thedoctor on :
let's see here.... On the close of maket Oct 30 the price closes at $5....Take $15/5 = 3 - 1 = 2 shares for every one you own If you own 2000 shares, you get 4000 more, for a total of 6000 shares X $5 = $30,000
On the close of maket Oct 30 the price closes at $3....Take $15/3 = 5 - 1 = 4 shares for every one you own If you own 2000 shares, you get 8000 more, for a total of 10000 shares X $3 = $30,000
On the close of maket Oct 30 the price closes at $10....Take $15/10 = 1.5 - 1 = .5 shares for every one you own If you own 2000 shares, you get 1000 more, for a total of 3000 shares X $10 = $30,000
That's what I see....I might be completely wrong, but I don't think so.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
No Doc you are absolutely correct that is how the ratio is supposed to work.
Posted by thedoctor on :
On the close of maket Oct 30 the price closes at $1....Take $15/1 = 15 - 1 = 14 shares for every one you own If you own 2000 shares, you get 28000 more, for a total of 30000 shares X $1 = $30,000
Posted by thedoctor on :
Tax ...... I really don't care what the price is now or tomorrow.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Sabra and Mitch are gone for the day...not sure how to read that. It's possible they just want us to absorb this 10-K. It's possible they left knowing there would be another PR out soon. It's possible they got tired of taking our phone calls. I left a message asking for an explanation of the "we would all be happy on Monday" and the "rocking wall street" statements.
Personally, I am still trying to digest all of this.
They went to catch their plane to the Bahamas
I know I am griping...for whatever reason though, I do still believe that good things are coming...
Anyone seen if our good Egyptian posted any words of wisdom re: the flight of the Phoenix that just s--- on my windshield?
LOL...really hard Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: let's see here.... On the close of maket Oct 30 the price closes at $5....Take $15/5 = 3 - 1 = 2 shares for every one you own If you own 2000 shares, you get 4000 more, for a total of 6000 shares X $5 = $30,000
On the close of maket Oct 30 the price closes at $3....Take $15/3 = 5 - 1 = 4 shares for every one you own If you own 2000 shares, you get 8000 more, for a total of 10000 shares X $3 = $30,000
On the close of maket Oct 30 the price closes at $10....Take $15/10 = 1.5 - 1 = .5 shares for every one you own If you own 2000 shares, you get 1000 more, for a total of 3000 shares X $10 = $30,000
That's what I see....I might be completely wrong, but I don't think so.
Your math looks correct - no matter how you figure it, you basically get the value of $15 per share that you own on Oct. 30th. HOWEVER, where do those shares come from? It matters...
Posted by dollar13 on :
The problem is that 10 days translates to 6.5 *10=65 hours for the pps to hold. Thats way too long for the pps to hold. It will continue to drop until about 2-3 days before the issues of shares. This further makes me distrust companies which i learned from SLJB. I will chalk this up to a learning experience.
Also to those that say hold until the 30th. Why? so I can lose my share value? Come on be realistic
Posted by milliam on :
Yeah, where the shares come from is the big deal here. I guess the shorters would hurt because they would have to come up with the extra shares for the shares they sold.
Posted by thedoctor on :
I believe the value of the company will adjust to the stocks being distributed. That is the reason for the reset. The company is worth more than what the current shares show.
Posted by maddie19 on :
I just called my broker with Bear Stearns and he read through the filings and said the company is worth 300mil and the price per share should be around $4. Basically if Conversion issues more shares the price will drop. Just a reverse split is what he said. He does not see anywhere how it could be $15.00 with what has been released. Just an FYI of what he said. because I sure as heck am confused as well.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
But you left out my favorite one...
On the close of maket Oct 30 the price closes at $1.73....Take $15/1.73 = 8.67 - 1 = 7.67 shares for every one you own If you own 2000 shares, you get 15340 more, for a total of 17340 shares X $1.73 = $30,000 and a stock that is going to be listed (by the rules) on NASDAQ which will drive the price up and end naked shorting as we know it on this security.
And my favorite part: 17340 x $10.00 = $173,400.00 for each two thousand share block!
Posted by lostone on :
If there were a cash dividend, this would have rocketed, even if CSHD doesn't have the cash to back it up.. lol.. it would not only drive up thru shorters, but thru new buyers.. o well.. come on PR.. give us something good..
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
The future PPS used for the split/divy share formula will have to drop 85% for me to even start losing money.
I don't see it happening & I'm not worried about it. This co. is way to good. Heck, I may even buy more as these fools sell.
Posted by Spooky on :
I'm not sure I like the formula... or maybe I'm missing something
Lets say the price is 2.00 on the 30th. this makes X = 2
The formula reads:
$15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006
and they represent it as (15 / X - X) but IMHO it should actually read (15 / X) - X
anyway if you do the math:
15 / 2 = 7.5 7.5 - 2 = 5.5
I take that to mean they are giving you 5.5 shares for every 1 share you own.
So, if you had 1000 shares they will give you 5,500 shares giving you a total of 6,500 shares
6,500 shares at 2.00 per share = 13,000 total which is a tad shy of the 15,000 value we should be having.
What am I missing here people?
Posted by cassity on :
Has anyone thought of the significance of Oct 30th. Well that is the day the 10Q is suppose to be filed by. I believe the company has a plan and if your to impatient to wait and see, go play another stock!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
A couple of people need to take a beginners course in how to use YaHoo. they doe this for every filing as an announcement of a filing. It is not a PR, it is not a filing, it is YaHoo's way of letting you know a new filing has been listed on EDGAR.
Posted by LucidLight on :
Hmm maybe they could of offered a cash dividend of $15 - the closing price on oct 30th? That would of been simpler, but would is screw the shorts as much?
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by maddie19: I just called my broker with Bear Stearns and he read through the filings and said the company is worth 300mil and the price per share should be around $4. Basically if Conversion issues more shares the price will drop. Just a reverse split is what he said. He does not see anywhere how it could be $15.00 with what has been released. Just an FYI of what he said. because I sure as heck am confused as well.
If it were going to reset to $15 using this scenario, it would be a reverse split, but the co. is not reseting to $15. They are going to adjust the number of shares to make you current number of shares worth $15. Its really confusing, but NOT A REVERSE SPLIT!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
You are not missing anything. We are trying to confirm that the formula is wrong. It should be (15/x) - 1 not (-x)
quote:Originally posted by Spooky: I'm not sure I like the formula... or maybe I'm missing something
Lets say the price is 2.00 on the 30th. this makes X = 2
The formula reads:
$15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006
and they represent it as (15 / X - X) but IMHO it should actually read (15 / X) - X
anyway if you do the math:
15 / 2 = 7.5 7.5 - 2 = 5.5
I take that to mean they are giving you 5.5 shares for every 1 share you own.
So, if you had 1000 shares they will give you 5,500 shares giving you a total of 6,500 shares
6,500 shares at 2.00 per share = 13,000 total which is a tad shy of the 15,000 value we should be having.
What am I missing here people?
Posted by thedoctor on :
Thank you Tax
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by LucidLight: Hmm maybe they could of offered a cash dividend of $15 - the closing price on oct 30th? That would of been simpler, but would is screw the shorts as much?
And bank rupted the company at these prices... Good call. no handing out stock is safer for the long.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Has anyone thought of the significance of Oct 30th. Well that is the day the 10Q is suppose to be filed by. I believe the company has a plan and if your to impatient to wait and see, go play another stock!
I posed that question earlier because of the timing - someone posted that the 10Q has to be out by Nov 15th...which is correct, and can they get an extension on the 10Q? (sorry for the newbie question)
Posted by maddie19 on :
I agree with the good pub associated with listing on Nasdaq. But I was under the impression that there are only two situtations which would drive a stock up this substantially. 1) Supply/demand 2) If the relisting on Nasdaq with the combined companies truely have a value of $15. Which goes back to 1).
If more stock was issued to bring our value up to $15 a share, wouldn't it dilute everyones position and people would sell off until it reached its true value?
Posted by LucidLight on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Has anyone thought of the significance of Oct 30th. Well that is the day the 10Q is suppose to be filed by. I believe the company has a plan and if your to impatient to wait and see, go play another stock!
HAHA! Yes of course having the 6.3 billion dollar bond audited should send this way over $15. Rufas won't have to pay a thing. He is just tring to scare the shorts to cover now.
Posted by SherriT on :
The other big question (other than where the shares come from) is when do we move to NASDAQ? That has as much to do with this scenario as anything....shorts are not going to cover between now and the 30th without being forced to...they have had weeks to cover and still haven't done it.
Posted by 401k on :
Thanks Doc and Tax for the correction on the ratio... I read it from a post and it was wrong... I went back to the 10K and it made sense... still don't like it as much, but it makes sense...
Posted by milliam on :
I guess a short cover would be the only way the pps would hold (or possibly go up). From what this looks like, the only reason to do something like this would be to screw the shorts, but the timing (giving them until the 30th) doesn't see like it fits here.
Posted by thesource on :
They have a 5 day extension available on the 10Q if I remember correctly .
Posted by cassity on :
Rufus said he had bought up most of the float. If he was to use those shares, would it still be dilution. He owns those shares and can do what he pleases with them. Correct me if I'm wrong.(only if you really know)
Posted by JHenry on :
Hey Tax what's next on Rufus's timeline - we're there any more 8K's listed?
Posted by LucidLight on :
If we don't have a PR by opening tomorrow, I am going to sell first thing and let the pps sink on confusion. I am then going to buy back as soon as the confusion is aleviated, and ride it all the way.
Posted by dollar13 on :
if it is a price adjustment
(10000 shares at $2) = (1333.3 shares at $15)
so that would be the RESET????
Posted by SherriT on :
I think we will easily sink below the 1.73 tomorrow....
More food for thought...any possibility of moving to the NASDAQ BEFORE 10/30 and those shares being given on the new board? The uplist would create demand more than likely, the shorts would have to cover, and he wouldn't have to "give out" shares...?
Posted by wallymac on :
Very interesting. I'm listening to the rebroadcast of SubPenny Radio and he had an IM from someone who stated there would be a Forward split of CSHD. HMM. This was from last night.
GLTA Wally
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
thats OK Doc we will get a straight answer soon I am sure of it. And this 10KSB will be amended. Until then just wait. I am glad I got a percentage in certs at this point. I might be a little less sure of waiting if I didn't have the investment holding me long.
This is going to rock long term if they take it way down and the dilution happens it will take them a good deal of time to cover, and colapse this stock. When things stabilize they reverse it and take back the shares outstanding.
By the way the person who has the broker who called this a "Reverse Split" really should get a new broker. Reverse Splits take shares from the market... Forward Splits add shares to the market. If you broker doen't know that then he really shold quit his job.
GLTA TB
Posted by Chartwalker on :
TUT:
Shareholders listen carefully. The company can very likely put out a pr now to explain how everyone receives $15 per share by October 30th in an explanation. Frist of all no one has really read the 10ksb properly and doesn't understand it completely and that is why we should sees news on it and then you could expect the market to react stronger tomorrow because of it. If anyone sells it now they may find themselves out on the conversion by the 30th. Hold strong if you don't want to lose out. Remember today you are either with or without. Therefore if you want to be part of it don't be without.
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: I think we will easily sink below the 1.73 tomorrow....
More food for thought...any possibility of moving to the NASDAQ BEFORE 10/30 and those shares being given on the new board? The uplist would create demand more than likely, the shorts would have to cover, and he wouldn't have to "give out" shares...?
I believe this could be just the ticket. Right now, this would be the best thing for us.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: TUT:
Shareholders listen carefully. The company can very likely put out a pr now to explain how everyone receives $15 per share by October 30th in an explanation. Frist of all no one has really read the 10ksb properly and doesn't understand it completely and that is why we should sees news on it and then you could expect the market to react stronger tomorrow because of it. If anyone sells it now they may find themselves out on the conversion by the 30th. Hold strong if you don't want to lose out. Remember today you are either with or without. Therefore if you want to be part of it don't be without.
Thanks, Chart - I know you are still digesting too, but what does your gut say?
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: thats OK Doc we will get a straight answer soon I am sure of it. And this 10KSB will be amended. Until then just wait. I am glad I got a percentage in certs at this point. I might be a little less sure of waiting if I didn't have the investment holding me long.
This is going to rock long term if they take it way down and the dilution happens it will take them a good deal of time to cover, and colapse this stock. When things stabilize they reverse it and take back the shares outstanding.
By the way the person who has the broker who called this a "Reverse Split" really should get a new broker. Reverse Splits take shares from the market... Forward Splits add shares to the market. If you broker doen't know that then he really shold quit his job.
GLTA TB
You read my mind...........That Broker wouldn't be making decisions regarding my money.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry: Hey Tax what's next on Rufus's timeline - we're there any more 8K's listed?
Here you go!
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by JHenry: Hey Tax what's next on Rufus's timeline - we're there any more 8K's listed?
Here you go!
Thanks
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam:
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: I think we will easily sink below the 1.73 tomorrow....
More food for thought...any possibility of moving to the NASDAQ BEFORE 10/30 and those shares being given on the new board? The uplist would create demand more than likely, the shorts would have to cover, and he wouldn't have to "give out" shares...?
I believe this could be just the ticket. Right now, this would be the best thing for us.
I've already turned off all of my charts and what not, but if I recall correctly, we theoretically would hit the sustained price of $1.73 for 30 days a couple of days prior to the 30th...can anyone confirm that?
Posted by milliam on :
This is one I can't figure out. This is from the beginning of the 10KSB:
Common Stock CSHD's Certificate of Incorporation authorizes the issuance of 200,000,000 shares of Common stock, $.001 par value.
And this is from the later part:
10. COMMON STOCK OUTSTANDING The authorized capital stock of the Company consists of 100,000,000 shares of common stock, $0.001 par value per share, of which 48,898,637 shares are issued and outstanding as of the date of this report.
Is this where the extra shares will come from?
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanx Tax & Doc!!
Doc- you really are a doctor of $!
This is awesome!!!!!
Actually, when people realize what this means won't everyone be scrambling for more shares forcing the PPS to go up, supply & demand!
I'm gettting more for my girls!
Sabra, It is a HAPPY day!!
Posted by frank021474 on :
Looks like 9/28 timeframe. I can get the exact if you want
-fw
Posted by dollar13 on :
It's not a forward split but it sound just like it to me IMHO
Posted by SherriT on :
OK, so price seems to be OK, and they have said the goal is to uplist in the 10K. There was also the PR at the end of September that said they HAVE an MM to sponsor them in the move - not that they were looking for one, that they HAVE one...we have the assets for one of the definitions.
Gang, I am beginning to think there is more between the lines...does NASDAQ or the SEC publish that a company has been approved for listing, or is that something the company has the ability to control?
Posted by milliam on :
It does seem like a forward split. If they can justify a higher value (which I believe they can and will), then this will just be our first forward split.
Posted by Jenna on :
IMHO - Rufus is a GENIUS and there is more to this than we know!!
Posted by Jenna on :
If anyone is still confused just go to doc's examples & notice no matter what the PPS the value is always the same!!!
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: IMHO - Rufus is a GENIUS and there is more to this than we know!!
Hope you are right Jenna!!!!
At the moment however, I am kinda feelin a little DIALATED!!!! If you get the drift...
Posted by tompom on :
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: It's not a forward split but it sound just like it to me IMHO
sounds more like a dividend imo
Posted by Chartwalker on :
sherriT.. still digusting...
From HSM: Hi fellow CSHD shareholders,
I've been a shareholder for a couple of months. Normally I do not post since I do not have any usefull information to add. However I feel many are interpreting the 10K the wrong way. (15/X)-X is the formula for the extra shares we might get. If the MMs short CSHD into the ground we will get loads of shares on the 30th of October. Many shareholders might be thinking: What is the point of this? It will just dilute our shares..... That is not the whole story though. Rufus has made it known that we will move to the NASDAQ. What if we move to the NASDAQ BEFORE the 30th of October? The shorters would have to cover. Especially when a huge forward split could be happening. If they are short 75 million shares now already they will have to cover an incredible amount of shares later on. Let's say the PPS will be 2.00$ on the 30th of October. (15/2) - 2 = 5.5 You would get 5.5 extra shares for every share you have already. Where are the shorts going to get these when we move to the NASDAQ? It means they would have to cover 75 million + 5.5 x 75 million which would be 487.5 million shares since they do not OWN any real shares. If we assume the float to be 50 million by then that would create a massive short squeeze. Far bigger then it is at this time and even at this time they are trying to hold it down, but are unable to. CSHD is slowly trending upwards. With such a low amount of real shares in circulation CSHD shareholders could almost ask any price they could think of for their shares. Especially if the new shares would be restricted. The announcement of new deals will add extra pressure to the shorters. By setting the date for the extra shares on the 30th of October and moving to the NASDAQ before that time Rufus could make it a ticking time bomb. He gives the shorters the option to cover fairly cheap in comparison before the 30th or cover loads more after the 30th.
Please keep in mind all of the above is in my opinion only. I do not have access to any special information other than the information all other shareholders also have.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: IMHO - Rufus is a GENIUS and there is more to this than we know!!
Hope you are right Jenna!!!!
At the moment however, I am kinda feelin a little DIALATED!!!! If you get the drift...
EEEW growdie!
Why do you feel that way though? Just sit back & think about the equation. What's troublin' you? C'mon tell you little sister whats buggin' you?
Posted by Spooky on :
Does anyone here IM Simon during the day? I wonder if he is expecting Rufus tonite on SPR?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
tut was asked if he sold any... Tut said: -------------------------------------------- That question doesn't even warrant a response. We have only been buyers!!!
Posted by maumee river rat on :
good post Walker!!!!
Dude makes a little sense...
I amwatchen that 1.05 support level closer than I was yesterday though...
The Blastards may go for it....If they can...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: This is one I can't figure out. This is from the beginning of the 10KSB:
Common Stock CSHD's Certificate of Incorporation authorizes the issuance of 200,000,000 shares of Common stock, $.001 par value.
And this is from the later part:
10. COMMON STOCK OUTSTANDING The authorized capital stock of the Company consists of 100,000,000 shares of common stock, $0.001 par value per share, of which 48,898,637 shares are issued and outstanding as of the date of this report.
Is this where the extra shares will come from?
milliam; the 10K is a COMBINED 10K....
there were 2 different companies, now there is one,
this 10K doesn't cover the OLD Furia corp.... just CVSU...
the extra shares? i see no written explanation in here of where they will come from....
if this was a normal play? i would say they'll be holding a meeting to vote on wherr to get the shares from...
i still don't see a CURRENT (up-to-date) share structure clearly published in this 10K....
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Hope we don't see that rat..
word on the street is CONFUSION...
PR "Damage Control" is a MUST IMO ~
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: It does seem like a forward split. If they can justify a higher value (which I believe they can and will), then this will just be our first forward split.
i agree with you, rufus made this deal look too good to be true , but seem to me like he is not the real SANTA CLAUSE to make us rich.
LMAO
Posted by Chartwalker on :
[cut and paste] HSM:
Company ABC has 1 million shares of common stock. The company has five investors who each own 200,000 shares. The stock currently trades at $100 per share, giving the business a market capitalization of $100 million. Management decides to issue a 20% stock dividend.
It prints up an additional 200,000 shares of common stock (20% of 1 million) and sends these to the shareholders based on their current ownership. All of the investors own 200,000, or 1/5 of the company, so they each receive 40,000 of the new shares (1/5 of the 200,000 new shares issued).
Now, the company has 1.2 million shares outstanding; each investor owns 240,000 shares of common stock. The 20% dilution in value of each share, however, results in the stock price falling to $83.33. Here’s the important part: the company (and our investors) are still in the exact same position. Instead of owning 200,000 shares at $100, they now own 240,000 shares at $83.33. The company’s market capitalization is still $100 million.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
hear ya bud.... Y do see that level though...Don'tcha???
Posted by a surfer on :
simon said last night he would love to have rufus on tonight. (I am sure he loves the publicity).
So if antone knows how to get a hold of rufus and tell him that would be great.
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
Okay, IMHO, I believe the formula to be wrong. Suppose you take it as some people are thinking with a pps at $2.00: (15/2)-2 = 5.5 shares, but if the pps were say at $10.00, the formula would be (15/10) - 10 = -8.50 shares.
If someone comes up with something different, please post.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
[cut and paste] I'm suprised nobody has taken the angle of RPH guiding us towards thinking about this company as a big-board play rather than a penny. He's been touting for months that this is something to be very long in, and this move woudl justify that mentality.
RPH is doing the equivalent value of distributing additional shares to shareholders. People who have many shares at fair value are going to follow the freebie line of thinking and sell for maybe double profit, or recoup gains, and ride the rest. RPH wants this type of thinking because he plans all his JV's to produce shares themselves which you will eventually be awarded 1:1 in the future. RPH wants us to have many shares so that we're tempted to stick around in the company.
Ponder this line of thinking... 30th rolls around, we all get 2-5x as many shares. I expect it'll be below 5 since pre-30th demand will go up for the people thinking of it as a "split", it always does. 30th hits, shares are distributed, 31st comes down the pipe and then the 10Q comes out anonuncing the 6+Bn in bonds. That money is going to drive share price up from x on the close of the 30th to what people are willing to pay to get in on a multi-billion dollar company.
Every share holder on that day would have many shares to sell to the feeding frenzy (if so inclined) to bank a profit while being able to hold long freebies for the distant future which RPH is so bullish on.
This fits RPH's big-board mentality and long-term value investing way of talking about his holding company. He's trying to tie investors in with larger share counts for the future.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
Hey gang, I just got off the phone with Ben. Anyone who has spoken to him knows he is extremely hard to understand and his use of the english language is less than up to par, but at least he answered my call. Here is a list of questions and answers in our conversation.
Q: why did we close down .40 on the day we were suppose to rock wall street A: he did not know why the market reacted the way it did, people buy and sell and the market prices itself, the MMs are still manipulating us. Q: when are we making the move to the NASD A: very soon, our plan is moving forward everyday Q: Rufus stated we have to stay above 1.73 for some reason, is that to ensure our move to the NASD? A: no, but we will reach the NASD soon. Q: some believe CSHD cares more about getting shorty than you do about your long term shareholders A: we care about our shareholders first and we will come through with what we promissed. Q: Can we expect news to straiten out the confussion about issuing shares to =$15 for each shareholder A: I have been away on business, so I am not sure if Rufus will issue a statement Q: can we expect news from the company soon? A: yes
He had to let me go after that.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Originally Posted by billyf oh boy, here we go again...
take your share count and multiply by $15... whats your answer???
now lets say we close * $5 on Oct 30th... multiply your share count by 3 becasue 3 x $5 = $15... right???
your 'NEW' share count x $5 should = your current share count x $15...
this is so simple yet everyone's having such a hard time understanding...
granted I'm using easy numbers but it's the same even when you have to figure out fractions...
*I'll give you my account as an example and this is the last time I'm going to preach this verse...
50k shares times $15 = $750k
we close * $5 Oct 30th, therefore I'll get 100k 'free' shares from ole Rufus giving me a total of 150k shares x $5 = $750k... same damn net result
and as far as dilution, it takes care of itself... it wouldn't be taking care of itself if there was no reset regardless of what kind and how its being administered...
GET THE PICTURE!!! __________________
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: Hey gang, I just got off the phone with Ben. Anyone who has spoken to him knows he is extremely hard to understand and his use of the english language is less than up to par, but at least he answered my call. Here is a list of questions and answers in our conversation.
Q: why did we close down .40 on the day we were suppose to rock wall street A: he did not know why the market reacted the way it did, people buy and sell and the market prices itself, the MMs are still manipulating us. Q: when are we making the move to the NASD A: very soon, our plan is moving forward everyday Q: Rufus stated we have to stay above 1.73 for some reason, is that to ensure our move to the NASD? A: no, but we will reach the NASD soon. Q: some believe CSHD cares more about getting shorty than you do about your long term shareholders A: we care about our shareholders first and we will come through with what we promissed. Q: Can we expect news to straiten out the confussion about issuing shares to =$15 for each shareholder A: I have been away on business, so I am not sure if Rufus will issue a statement Q: can we expect news from the company soon? A: yes
He had to let me go after that.
Thanks for the post, Rich. More and more I am believing that the big board is a big part of this whole timing thing...at least, I am hoping so.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
no problem sherri, just trying to get us some info!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
THATS WHY YOU HAVE THE 10-Q COMING OUT ON NOV 15TH. HAVE YOU PEOPLE FORGOTTEN THAT WE HAVE 9 BILLION IN ASSETS? WHEN THAT COMES OUT, THE PPS WILL SKYROCKET. ALL IMO BUT IF YOU DO YOU DUE DILLIGENCE YOU WOULD HAVE ALREADY KNOWN THIS. [cut and paste]
Posted by unclerudy on :
Here is the question. Lets say that all of this IS dilution, and that shares are added to the outstanding amount. This would be a forward split, by definition. Now lets say, we have 2000 shares, and it closes at 3 bucks. That would mean by the formula that we would receive 8000 more shares, for a total of 10k worth of shares. We then move to the NASDAQ. Anyone short would have to cover. The shorts would be out of their mind trying to cover. Prices will soar. 10 days later, as needed to announce any splits or dividends, Rufus declares a reverse split, to bring the outstanding share count down to the original value, before the split, maybe a 5 to 1 if it closed at 3 bucks on the 30th. Everyone still hase the same value of money in shares, it is just a smaller number that is in everyones accounts. That way, he screws shorty, rewards the longs, and everyone is happy. If the stock gains any value between the forward split, and the reverse split, we will all be happy. If we lose groud, there will be a lot of angry people looking for RPH.
Anyone think that this might be what he is trying to do? Just a theory I am having.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: no problem sherri, just trying to get us some info!
What is your take, Rich? You talked to the man - did you get the feeling there is something "hidden" or more of the same "oh just wait" kind of thing?
Posted by invester on :
Can someone give a break down of what happened today. I sold at $3.90, and just now noticed how low it is.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: THATS WHY YOU HAVE THE 10-Q COMING OUT ON NOV 15TH. HAVE YOU PEOPLE FORGOTTEN THAT WE HAVE 9 BILLION IN ASSETS? WHEN THAT COMES OUT, THE PPS WILL SKYROCKET. ALL IMO BUT IF YOU DO YOU DUE DILLIGENCE YOU WOULD HAVE ALREADY KNOWN THIS. [cut and paste]
who are you yelling at chart?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Tut:
I think we could be in for "the real surprise" now. Remember Sabra Dabbs, "We will rock Wall Street and the world". The reason I say hold strong is because we could be about to see the "Big Bombshell" that will rock the world and how do you know that it won't hit before the day or night is over or first thing in the morning or any hour thereafter. If anyone tries to day trade or sell to buy back in they could very well lose out. I am only saying what could very possibly happen now. Remember with this 10ksb, eveerything else was then supposed to begin. Well here you have it. Remember you are with or you are without.
Posted by SherriT on :
I am beginning to hate Tut....
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: [cut and paste] HSM:
Company ABC has 1 million shares of common stock. The company has five investors who each own 200,000 shares. The stock currently trades at $100 per share, giving the business a market capitalization of $100 million. Management decides to issue a 20% stock dividend.
It prints up an additional 200,000 shares of common stock (20% of 1 million) and sends these to the shareholders based on their current ownership. All of the investors own 200,000, or 1/5 of the company, so they each receive 40,000 of the new shares (1/5 of the 200,000 new shares issued).
Now, the company has 1.2 million shares outstanding; each investor owns 240,000 shares of common stock. The 20% dilution in value of each share, however, results in the stock price falling to $83.33. Here’s the important part: the company (and our investors) are still in the exact same position. Instead of owning 200,000 shares at $100, they now own 240,000 shares at $83.33. The company’s market capitalization is still $100 million.
I agree with the math here Chart, but there is one thing we have to keep in mind. That scenario is based on a company that is currently at fair market value for its stock price.
CSHD has audited financials for $800+ million dollars and thus a book value of $7.21. The fair market value for this stock is at least $15.00. By giving us (current shareholders) the additional shares, they are just "filling the gap" so to speak. These shares should not be considered diluted until we reach and / or exceed fair market value.
Doc...Help me here...does this sound correct to you?
Posted by SherriT on :
Gang, I do want to add one thing while we're in the midst of sorting this all out...I know we will likely lose some folks over the next few days, so I wanted to reiterate how much I appreciate the sharing of info and opinions, and wish everyone the very best here and in other plays!
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Originally Posted by billyf oh boy, here we go again...
take your share count and multiply by $15... whats your answer???
now lets say we close * $5 on Oct 30th... multiply your share count by 3 becasue 3 x $5 = $15... right???
your 'NEW' share count x $5 should = your current share count x $15...
this is so simple yet everyone's having such a hard time understanding...
granted I'm using easy numbers but it's the same even when you have to figure out fractions...
*I'll give you my account as an example and this is the last time I'm going to preach this verse...
50k shares times $15 = $750k
we close * $5 Oct 30th, therefore I'll get 100k 'free' shares from ole Rufus giving me a total of 150k shares x $5 = $750k... same damn net result
and as far as dilution, it takes care of itself... it wouldn't be taking care of itself if there was no reset regardless of what kind and how its being administered...
GET THE PICTURE!!! __________________
Chart....You are describing it differently but it is the same results as Tax and myself. It is not that complicated. I would think all of us should be extremely happy and a lot richer on 10/30.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I'm just putting thing up here for us to look at...
NOT MY WORDS FYI ------------------------------------------ here is another one... ------------------------------------- I will say this again; for all the people worried about dilution, you should very happy that you are potentially getting extra shares. REMEMBER, when the 10Q comes out, it will list the companies TRUE VALUE which is around 9 billion dollars worth of assets. That in itself will SKYROCKET the pps even if on the 30th of October, the pps is diluted.
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: [cut and paste] HSM:
Company ABC has 1 million shares of common stock. The company has five investors who each own 200,000 shares. The stock currently trades at $100 per share, giving the business a market capitalization of $100 million. Management decides to issue a 20% stock dividend.
It prints up an additional 200,000 shares of common stock (20% of 1 million) and sends these to the shareholders based on their current ownership. All of the investors own 200,000, or 1/5 of the company, so they each receive 40,000 of the new shares (1/5 of the 200,000 new shares issued).
Now, the company has 1.2 million shares outstanding; each investor owns 240,000 shares of common stock. The 20% dilution in value of each share, however, results in the stock price falling to $83.33. Here’s the important part: the company (and our investors) are still in the exact same position. Instead of owning 200,000 shares at $100, they now own 240,000 shares at $83.33. The company’s market capitalization is still $100 million.
I agree with the math here Chart, but there is one thing we have to keep in mind. That scenario is based on a company that is currently at fair market value for its stock price.
CSHD has audited financials for $800+ million dollars and thus a book value of $7.21. The fair market value for this stock is at least $15.00. By giving us (current shareholders) the additional shares, they are just "filling the gap" so to speak. These shares should not be considered diluted until we reach and / or exceed fair market value.
Doc...Help me here...does this sound correct to you?
Yes it does sound fairly accurate
Posted by St. Matthew on :
I'll bet you were on the phone with him when I was calling. Nice work.
BTW...I know exactly what you are talking about...
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: Hey gang, I just got off the phone with Ben. Anyone who has spoken to him knows he is extremely hard to understand and his use of the english language is less than up to par, but at least he answered my call. Here is a list of questions and answers in our conversation.
Q: why did we close down .40 on the day we were suppose to rock wall street A: he did not know why the market reacted the way it did, people buy and sell and the market prices itself, the MMs are still manipulating us. Q: when are we making the move to the NASD A: very soon, our plan is moving forward everyday Q: Rufus stated we have to stay above 1.73 for some reason, is that to ensure our move to the NASD? A: no, but we will reach the NASD soon. Q: some believe CSHD cares more about getting shorty than you do about your long term shareholders A: we care about our shareholders first and we will come through with what we promissed. Q: Can we expect news to straiten out the confussion about issuing shares to =$15 for each shareholder A: I have been away on business, so I am not sure if Rufus will issue a statement Q: can we expect news from the company soon? A: yes
He had to let me go after that.
Posted by thesource on :
My question is this :
If we have auditted values of the company * $7.2x a share , why are we trading at $1.8x a share today and probably $1.3x a share tomorrow ?
Something does not add up here .
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: no problem sherri, just trying to get us some info!
What is your take, Rich? You talked to the man - did you get the feeling there is something "hidden" or more of the same "oh just wait" kind of thing?
I'm not sure what I felt. His speech is very unorthodox which throws me off a bit. I will say he seems confident in his stock and company and he is not worried about all the little price wars that we are. I feel my investment is safe and that one day soon we will be rewarded for our efforts
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by invester: Can someone give a break down of what happened today. I sold at $3.90, and just now noticed how low it is.
no too much action after the 10k release today ,pps sink about 20% , you should read the 10k filing , and let us know something
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I'm seeing that seasoned traders are liking this, saying a forward split will FORCE a squeeze among other things...
MM's it looks like drove the price down on sells ("selective" sells...)
many thihk price will rebound tomorrow.
Again... I'm just putting out there what I'm hearing from others...
Posted by GreenDay on :
Sherri - I am over Tut. Saying we "could" get a PR today. Yea - anyone knows that we "could" and might see something. If Ben doesn't know than I am sure Tut doesn't know which makes his post just plain annoying because it is obviously pure specutlation and wishing thinking on his part.
Sorry - I am cranky about this whole thing!
Richby26 - Thanks so much for the post! I love it all (except for the last line, another - soon - ) I hate that word now. These last few months have been the longest soon ever.
Posted by LucidLight on :
Hmm if the Shares they are issuing are in fact new shares, why a progressive issuing? I mean why dilute the shares more if the price is lower? That does not make sense to me. I mean say we get driven down to .50. That would be so many shares they would have to issue. Would we ever get to $5 after a dilution like that?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: My question is this :
If we have auditted values of the company * $7.2x a share , why are we trading at $1.8x a share today and probably $1.3x a share tomorrow ?
Something does not add up here .
RIGHT!! And there is a 5 BILLION dollar Euro bond that will first be on the 10q on NOv 15th!
That IS something to keep in mind people!!!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Originally Posted by mcdonae101 just got off the phone with ben, i asked about the share split or whatever, and he said "actually, we will be releasing clarification on that", something along that line, he said "stay tuned"
[Tut replied] Bingo again. No one gets to sleep tonight. "We will rock Wall Street and the world". The War of the Worlds and you are the troops that march into victory.
Posted by thesource on :
Tut is full of crap , plain and simple . Any info from him is useless .
I sure wouldn't mind blasting his Phoenix with my 12 gauge right about now .
Posted by thedoctor on :
All I can say is ...This is one of the best happennings for a group of stockholders that I can ever recall. We should all be very happy about the DD all of you have done. This gave many of us the faith needed to stick it out. Anyone leaving now would be making a mistake that they will regret for the rest of their lives. This is a "once in a lifetime" chance. All of us are there with open arms. Please don't panic. It's all good.
Posted by TimW on :
Sounds like many plan on shorting/flipping more knowing the action isnt going to happen until 2 more weeks still.
Im not gonna risk anything knowing a date and reset is set on paper now. Wait and grin.
Posted by unclerudy on :
I vote that we just ignore Tut from now on. Until he is a paid member of the BOD of CSHD, he knows just as much as you or I can learn from doing our own DD.
Here is how I feel about Tut...
Michael Corleone: Fredo, you're nothing to me now. You're not a brother, you're not a friend. I don't want to know you or what you do. I don't want to see you at the hotels, I don't want you near my house. When you see our mother, I want to know a day in advance, so I won't be there. You understand?
Posted by ruthie on :
The thing that bothers me is that we ALL expected something big to happen today...upward not downward. I am all for holding on to see how this plays out but I understand the frustration because things are not coming out as they have been promised. I would prefer that we not be led to think each day that this is it...It would be better if we were not assured of positive results so readily and then we would be very grateful when something positive did happen. Just waiting and hoping...
Posted by RichBy26 on :
I just wish I had Sabra's cell phone number, I would ask her if we would still get that news that is going to Rock Wallstreet! LOL
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Jesuspower1 asnswers some questions.... ---------------------------------------------- I understand the stock split forward thing...just having a hard time understanding a couple of things.
1). How do you see the stock going to $100 per share based on the response after the 10-K. Not everyone understands what is really going on with the company. I have personally talked to three of the Executives from July, before they became a PUBLICLY TRADED company and I was at peace with their conversation and believed that they were truly being honest and had great things in store for anyone who invested in this venture.
The book value of this company is OVER $100, which puts this CONSERVATIVELY traded at $300/share.
2). What happened to the very often repeated re-set and move to Nasdaq? The Fat lady hasn't sung yet! We can't know everything or every move the company is going to make or we would have INSIDER info!
It takes 30 -45 days to get to Nasdaq when requirements start being met. The PR that was put out regarding the application to the Nasdaq and the contact with the market maker was on Sept. 13th.
Do the math, On November 30th, it will be over 45 days, so my take is that they just bought more time because they are going STRAIGHT to the Nasdaq.
3). Why was it in the shareholders best interest to wait until the last minute to release the 10-K? Because they wanted it to support the PPS of $15 / share and their facilitation to the NASDAQ, which is going to bring in Billions!
4). What happened to the "Rock Wall Street" and "you will all be happy on Monday" statements. We haven't seen it all yet. It's obvious the 10K is not the BOMB we are waiting for!
5). Why does it appear that Rufus hates the shorts more than he loves the shareholders? He seems to be playing games with them at our expense. That's your take on this! That's the SPIN that's been added! I see him as LOVING us and wanting to protect us and make us prosperous. It takes time to get things done...ROME wasn't built in a day. Most millionaires work their whole lives amassing their wealth.
A final word: This seems like we are just buying a bit more time in elementary school (OTCBB) trying to patch up some disagreements before we move on to college (Nasdaq) and not have another opportunity to make amends due to moving away.
If Oct 30th comes and we are at $16 / share, the algebra equation will be invalid. BUT BY THAT POINT, the institutions will have hit their $5.00 buy-in target and the stock will have already skyrocketed to over $100 / share. Just watch and see, it ain't over yet.
The EXECS stated that they would work quickly and efficiently to resolve the 75 million shorts, this might be one of the ways they've had to comply with the SEC.
Remember, we have to learn to read the clues and think back on the things that were said in the interviews and PR's.
How quickly we forget!
I still have my $300,000 ferrari and will not take $500 for it. I will get my $300,000. PERIOD!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
who was he speaking with?
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by ruthie: The thing that bothers me is that we ALL expected something big to happen today...upward not downward. I am all for holding on to see how this plays out but I understand the frustration because things are not coming out as they have been promised. I would prefer that we not be led to think each day that this is it...It would be better if we were not assured of positive results so readily and then we would be very grateful when something positive did happen. Just waiting and hoping...
Ruthie.........I am saying this with all respect to you... Don't you think getting $15 a share in stock isn't big ? I would think you would be a little excited. After the 10Q, those extra shares you are getting on 10/30 will beworth much more.
Posted by wallymac on :
The point that seems to be eluding many is that putting more shares on the market is dilution. Even with the 10Q and NASDAQ adding value there will be more shares that will determine the EPS ETC ETC. Whether we get 1 share or a 1,000 shares. The other factor is that immediately following the issuance of the Dividend shares it will be reflected in the PPS. If it's 3 for 1 at $3, following the Ex-Dividend date the PPS will adjust to $1.
Let's think this through as we have done everything else for the last 3 or 4 months. It is only as a group that we can accomplish the neccessary DD and brain power to figure things out.
It's not about PRO or CON right now it's about understanding every aspect of what is happening.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Originally Posted by ccvle I have come to realize that this stock dividend reset to $15 value is the same as a price reset to 15 per share. It doesnt matter if this is reset to 15 per share, if we dont have institutional investors buying then it doest matter.
[another poster] u r correct, this is what i have said here along with several others, this is the foward split with the reset all at once
Posted by Igor R on :
Thats nice and all but he didnt answer the question of where the extra shares for a possible forward split are coming from.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: Sabra and Mitch are gone for the day...not sure how to read that. It's possible they just want us to absorb this 10-K. It's possible they left knowing there would be another PR out soon. It's possible they got tired of taking our phone calls. I left a message asking for an explanation of the "we would all be happy on Monday" and the "rocking wall street" statements.
Personally, I am still trying to digest all of this.
They went to catch their plane to the Bahamas
I know I am griping...for whatever reason though, I do still believe that good things are coming...
Anyone seen if our good Egyptian posted any words of wisdom re: the flight of the Phoenix that just s--- on my windshield?
I'd like to think they are on a plane head towards Wall Street and the NASDAQ ! Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: The point that seems to be eluding many is that putting more shares on the market is dilution. Even with the 10Q and NASDAQ adding value there will be more shares that will determine the EPS ETC ETC. Whether we get 1 share or a 1,000 shares. The other factor is that immediately following the issuance of the Dividend shares it will be reflected in the PPS. If it's 3 for 1 at $3, following the Ex-Dividend date the PPS will adjust to $1.
Let's think this through as we have done everything else for the last 3 or 4 months. It is only as a group that we can accomplish the neccessary DD and brain power to figure things out.
It's not about PRO or CON right now it's about understanding every aspect of what is happening.
GLTA Wally
Right on Wally! I'm putting things out here that I'm hearing, let's sift through it all and see what we come up with
Trying to cover all angles...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
[post from another site]
Conversion Solutions Price Reset
What we expected:
If we owned 1000 shares they would be worth $15,000 when the reset was complete.
• This would have set the market cap of the company to $15 times the number of shares outstanding. For example $15 x 110,000,000 shares = $1,650,000,000 • We understood the market would take the price from there and we would watch it go up or down based on market pressure from that point forward. • We understood that the company would take steps to support the price and their market cap value.
What we got:
If we owned 1000 shares and the price was $3 on Oct 30th, then we would receive an additional 4000 shares each worth $3 on that day. Making our stock total 5000 shares worth $15,000.
• This will set the market cap of the company to $3 times the number of shares outstanding. In this case it would be $3 x 550,000,000 shares = $1,650,000,000. The same as we expected. • We still understand the market will take the price from there and we will watch it go up and down based on market pressure from that point forward. • We understand that the company would take steps to support the price and their market cap value.
This is my opinion, take it for what it is worth.
Posted by Jenna on :
Bottom line - Rufus has done what he promised...just maybe not as expected but it works out the same!
You basically ARE getting $15/share!!!
Doc & Tax are explaining things........
I don't know why everyone's so glum.
Rufus has a plan & we just can't see the whole picture. We only have a few pieces of the puzzle so we can't see the whole thing.
We we're waiting for the 10K, it came! ...And it's awesome!!!
Next we will be waiting for the 10Q which will be even better!!!
How can this be bad we will have possibly 5x as many shares with an upcoming 10Q containing HUGE assests & bonds in it, and a move to Nasdaq (not sure which order) but this is spectacular!!
Take a breath- we are in something that is tremendous!!!!
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: [post from another site]
Conversion Solutions Price Reset
What we expected:
If we owned 1000 shares they would be worth $15,000 when the reset was complete.
• This would have set the market cap of the company to $15 times the number of shares outstanding. For example $15 x 110,000,000 shares = $1,650,000,000 • We understood the market would take the price from there and we would watch it go up or down based on market pressure from that point forward. • We understood that the company would take steps to support the price and their market cap value.
What we got:
If we owned 1000 shares and the price was $3 on Oct 30th, then we would receive an additional 4000 shares each worth $3 on that day. Making our stock total 5000 shares worth $15,000.
• This will set the market cap of the company to $3 times the number of shares outstanding. In this case it would be $3 x 550,000,000 shares = $1,650,000,000. The same as we expected. • We still understand the market will take the price from there and we will watch it go up and down based on market pressure from that point forward. • We understand that the company would take steps to support the price and their market cap value.
This is my opinion, take it for what it is worth.
That makes sense but where would those 440,000,000 shares be coming from? Especially if the a/s is 200 million iirc.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Item 11 Executive Compensation The Following information is provided as required by Item 402 of Regulation S-K (§ 229.402 of this chapter).
Bivens Jerry $300,000 per year Dabbs Sabra $350,000 per year Harris Rufus $375,000 per year Horton Darryl $375,000 per year Stanley Ben $375,000 per year Sepaniak Mitchell $325,000 per year Walsh John $300,000 per year Venditti Romeo $350,000 per year
Item 12 Security Ownership of Certain Beneficial Owners and Management and Related Stockholder Matters The Following information is provided as required by Item 201(d) of Regulation S-K (§ 229.201(d) of this chapter) and Item 403 of Regulation S-K (§ 229.403 of this chapter).
The following Officer hold Restricted Common share in the corporation.
Bivens Jerry 1,405,000 Harris Rufus Paul 7,600,000 Horton Darryl 1,567,500 Stanley Ben 7,550,000 Walsh John 1,500,000 Mitchell Sepaniak 3,000,000 Sabra Dabbs 9,000,000
Posted by CRab on :
Haha...Chart...I saw that earlier and wondered why Sabra has more shares than even Rufus...
Hell of a negotiator I guess...on the other hand...maybe she was able to BUY as many as she wanted as part of the contract...
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Item 11 Executive Compensation The Following information is provided as required by Item 402 of Regulation S-K (§ 229.402 of this chapter).
Bivens Jerry $300,000 per year Dabbs Sabra $350,000 per year Harris Rufus $375,000 per year Horton Darryl $375,000 per year Stanley Ben $375,000 per year Sepaniak Mitchell $325,000 per year Walsh John $300,000 per year Venditti Romeo $350,000 per year
Item 12 Security Ownership of Certain Beneficial Owners and Management and Related Stockholder Matters The Following information is provided as required by Item 201(d) of Regulation S-K (§ 229.201(d) of this chapter) and Item 403 of Regulation S-K (§ 229.403 of this chapter).
The following Officer hold Restricted Common share in the corporation.
Bivens Jerry 1,405,000 Harris Rufus Paul 7,600,000 Horton Darryl 1,567,500 Stanley Ben 7,550,000 Walsh John 1,500,000 Mitchell Sepaniak 3,000,000 Sabra Dabbs 9,000,000
Wow Sabra Dabbs sure is making some bank for a corp. sec. and holds more shares than RPH ...... that seems odd .
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
Bottom line - Rufus has done what he promised...just maybe not as expected but it works out the same!
You basically ARE getting $15/share!!!
Doc & Tax are explaining things........
I don't know why everyone's so glum.
Rufus has a plan & we just can't see the whole picture. We only have a few pieces of the puzzle so we can't see the whole thing.
We we're waiting for the 10K, it came! ...And it's awesome!!!
Next we will be waiting for the 10Q which will be even better!!!
How can this be bad we will have possibly 5x as many shares with an upcoming 10Q containing HUGE assests & bonds in it, and a move to Nasdaq (not sure which order) but this is spectacular!!
Take a breath- we are in something that is tremendous!!!!
I think its the timeframe- some folks wanted to see the 6+ digits in the brokerage account from the launching of the price/10k-Zilla.
So its a true test of the "longs" for CSHD I suppose.
15.00 is fine- considering the .97 I got in at when it was FHAL.
Look forward to seeing where this goes!
Posted by 401k on :
Interesting comments from the R. Bull site:
From the 10KSB..... Love this one, where will the stock price b on Oct. 30th???
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
here's mo... This is COOL....$50 dollar par value WOW!
Authorized capital stock of the Company also consists of 20,000,000 shares of preferred stock, $50 par value per share, of which there are no shares issued and outstanding as of the date of this report. Except for the 48,898,637 shares of common stock referenced in the preceding sentence, there are no shares of capital stock or other equity securities of the Company outstanding.
Now u want some value....
The value components of the notes are as follows: $172,299,000 in principal and $137,839,000 in interest computed at 10%. The security note has a Certificate of Standing properly filed and recorded providing verification that there are no liens or other encumbrances against the note, and it is fully owned by the Company.
and more...
In consideration for the assignment of the UCC Security Note, the assignee (Waatle) agreed to pay the assignor forty million USD in one or more payments, with the first payment to be made within sixty days of the execution of the agreement and its supporting documentation. The Company has recorded the forty million USD obligation on their financial statements as a long-term note, in the amount of $36 million, with a portion (10%) being recorded as a current note payable, in the amount of $4 million. Upon full payment of this obligation the Company is not required to account to the assignor for any profit generated or realized from the use of the assets securing the note.
of course here's more value...
12. LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS IN GLOBAL BONDS
On March 15, 2006, the Company acquired full ownership of Global Bonds issued through the Republic of Venezuela with an issuance date of July 31, 1998 and a maturity date of August 15, 2018. The principal amount of the bonds is $500,000,000 USD with a fixed interest rate of 13.625%, computed on a semi-annual basis. The applicable identification codes are as follows: Common Code - 008975540; CUSIP - 922646AT1; & ISIN Code - US922646AT10. The first interest payment is due on August 8, 2006, in which interest receivable and revenue have been properly accrued, to the holders of the bonds (the Company).
The applicable Declaration Statement (ownership documentation) specifies the transfer of full ownership to the Company from Banco Central De Venezuela, the issuer of the bonds, and insures that the bonds are free and clear of any deductions, charges or fees assessed by the Government of Venezuela. The Certificate of Ownership also identifies the Company as the sole owner, with an effective date of ownership as of March 15, 2006. The ownership documentation has been properly recorded with the State of Georgia securing and perfecting the bonds.
The Fitch Bonds Ratings as of May 2006 gives the bonds a BB- rating. The bonds have been registered with the National Securities Commission in Caracas, Venezuela, as well as loaded and registered in the Euroclear Band Securities database, accessible electronically with proper identification codes.
Wow what a rating A1 Moody rating...of value..
GLOBAL FUNDING AGREEMENT #252455779-08122006-LBH
On August 18, 2006, subsequent to our audit period and not audited or reviewed as part of these financial statements, Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. entered into a Global Funding Agreement #252455779-08122006-LBH with the Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD., a Georgia LTD Foundation.
The funding agreement brings a Four-Hundred and Fifty Million Euro ($579,149,833 USD converted) denominated Note on Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC with a 6 1/8% coupon to the Company's Assets. The MTN holds an S&P, Fitch, and Composite A+ rating with a Moody's A1 rating.
some good co. here...
10.3 Global Funding Agreement 252455779-08122006-LBH with the Humanitarian & Scientific World Foundation, LTD, a Georgia LTD Foundation is incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K [html] [text] 88 KB Current report, item 1.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000058 (34 Act) and reference to Deeded Documentation filed with The Superior Court of Bartow County State of Georgia reference name “Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp” www.gsccca.org
10.4 Global Funding Agreement 252455777 with the Caracas Group is incorporated herein by this reference to Deeded Documentation filed with The Superior Court of Bartow County State of Georgia reference name “Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp” www.gsccca.org
23.2 Consent of Thomas Benson, C.P.A
Oh yeah this is an audited fin. statement and of course Sarbanes/Oakly act!
CERTIFICATION PURSUANT TO 18 U.S.C. §1350 AS ADOPTED
PURSUANT TO SECTION 906 OF THE SARBANES-OXLEY ACT OF 2002
In connection with the annual report on Form 10-KSB of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (the "Company") for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2006, as filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission on the date hereof (the "Report"), the undersigned Chief Executive Officer and principal financial and accounting officer of the Company hereby certifies, pursuant to 18 U.S.C. §1350, as adopted pursuant to Section 906 of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act of 2002, that:
1. The Report fully complies with the requirements of Section 13(a) or 15(d) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934; and
Pretty good in my eyes, now wait for the rest of the next 10 days! Way to go Rufus and Co.! Rufus will give the CEE BEE GEE BEES TO THE SHORTS, LOL! COVER FOOS! COVER, THIS CO. MEANS BUSINESS!
Posted by Jenna on :
I look forward to seeing where it goes too frank!! Posted by NEL on :
So if we buy more between now and the 30th do those shares count toward the extra shares? Not bad idea if it goes down more, to buy more and reduce your average pps?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL: So if we buy more between now and the 30th do those shares count toward the extra shares? Not bad idea if it goes down more, to buy more and reduce your average pps?
Exactly NEL. If they are going to honor this no matter when you buy the stock - I'll be getting more!!!
I'm gonna "buy the crap out of it!"
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Any random person can now jump in at less than $1.80 in the next two weeks and get the $15 value amount of shares. I've held for 3 months and it hasnt benefited me in any way over someone buying in tommorrow!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Seems to be a lot of thinking going on here in the cult... don't stay up too late, long day of trading tomorrow.
Posted by frank021474 on :
Ahhhhhhh it would be a stress-filled day if it wasn't for mr Repo cracking me up with his pics Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Seems to be a lot of thinking going on here in the cult... don't stay up too late, long day of trading tomorrow.
whats your problem man
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Seems to be a lot of thinking going on here in the cult... don't stay up too late, long day of trading tomorrow.
whats your problem man
No problem here chief... as I said, I'm here on the 50 yard line seeing if you guys will punch it in for a touchdown... great game so far as we enter the 4th quarter! Go team go!
Posted by wallymac on :
Chart, I understand the math that you are doing but the one thing you are not factoring in is that the price will adjust to the new share structure. If we are trading at $3 and have 5 times more shares available the market will Immediately adjust. Just as when you receive a cash dividend the PPS is adjusted by the amount of the dividend. So it would immediately be reduced by the same amount. If institutional investors won't be buying until the PPS reaches $5, we are further away from that goal.
THe premise you are using is the same premise as a Reverse Split. You end up with less shares but the same amount of money. Reverse and Forward splits are fine when they are used to accomplish goals. For instance a stock is trading so high that it limits the amount of investor that participate. The idea is to do a forward split reducing the PPS and making it affordable to a larger segment of investors. In this case we need to raise the PPS for NASDAQ and to attract the institutions to invest. This accomplishes neither of those goals.
Also in order to accomplish this split/dividend, at this time the Authorized Shares need to be increased. There are not enough shares available to accomplish this right now.
Ok so why did this end up happening? MY SPECULATION is that it has to do with NASD and the MM's. In order to get to NASDAQ, CSHD needs MM's to underwrite it. Well as long as they are squeezing them how are they supposed to get them to cooperate. It's because of NASD that there is a 10 day delay because it most be posted before a Dividend or Forward Split takes place. I believe that Rufus, Sabra etal believed that they were going to reset immediately after the 10K today but didn't get the approval to do so. The 10K had to be filed and the only alternative was to throw in the Forward Split/Dividend. Remember that Wall Street maybe be gucci and Armani suits but it's also a JUNGLE.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Doniboy on :
My anger is not directed at Rufus. He has done everything that I expected thus far. He also blasted all the bashers by posting the 10K which they said he never would. My problem is with the market. Why the Hell are these idiots allowing the bashers to scare them. if you run and sell because some A-Hole who was telling you yesterday that the 10K would never come out is now telling you that everything is wrong with the 10K Jeez, then you need help. The bashers did exactly what we all knew they would. First they started spouting some crap about the auditor, then they abandoned that and started in on the "split".
Please realize that no one bashes a stock 24/7 for three months without an agenda. Those of you that panicked gave them exactly what they wanted and have made sure that they will always remain.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Any random person can now jump in at less than $1.80 in the next two weeks and get the $15 value amount of shares. I've held for 3 months and it hasnt benefited me in any way over someone buying in tommorrow!
Doesn't seem too fair but who knows ....... And what the hell was the whole point of getting your certs and your name on the list ?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Any random person can now jump in at less than $1.80 in the next two weeks and get the $15 value amount of shares. I've held for 3 months and it hasnt benefited me in any way over someone buying in tommorrow!
This sounds like whinning? Did you honestly think SEC rules were going to allow only certain shareholders to benefit. Not only that did you buy in at $1.80? I know I didn't I bought in alot cheaper. Not to mention this stock is going to be a heck of alot more valuable later this week. THIS IS NOT DILUTION SHAREHOLDERS!!!
It is not dilution when the new shares go directly into your accounts! Dilution is when new shares go directly into the "free" market. Only shareholders will recieve the new shares. If you feel like selling them back into the market you are diluting it not Rufus.
The more I think about this the better it gets.
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Any random person can now jump in at less than $1.80 in the next two weeks and get the $15 value amount of shares. I've held for 3 months and it hasnt benefited me in any way over someone buying in tommorrow!
I agree this sucks for those of us who have been in for several months. My average share price is $1.89... maybe I can average down if we continue to drop... which I hope we don't
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
THIS IS NOT DILUTION SHAREHOLDERS!!!
It is not dilution when the new shares go directly into your accounts! Dilution is when new shares go directly into the "free" market. Only shareholders will recieve the new shares. If you feel like selling them back into the market you are diluting it not Rufus.
The more I think about this the better it gets.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I think I will post this over and over until this deal goes through. You need to read it and understand the play.
Posted by betting babe on :
heheah.
buy the crap outta it and a pic of a guy on a toilet.
u guys are a riot.
Posted by Jenna on :
That is soooo true Tax!!! Thsi is what people are forgetting!!!!
It is not dilution when the new shares go directly into your accounts! Dilution is when new shares go directly into the "free" market. Only shareholders will recieve the new shares. If you feel like selling them back into the market you are diluting it not Rufus.
Hey when we get those extra shares we should all call our brokers & set our GTC sell orders * $300 & above..sounds like a plan!
Posted by NEL on :
So if I currently have 10,000 shares and on the 30th we are at $2.00 I will get an additional 65,000 shares for a total of 75,000 shares with a $150,000 value. If the price goes up to $5 a share I now have $375,000, $10pps=$750,000, $15pps=1,125,000
ANY WAY YOU PLAY IT, IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME!
Posted by dog on :
Rufus and Ben on Subpenny NOW.
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Rufus and Ben on Subpenny NOW.
Can you fill us in on what they are saying?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL: So if I currently have 10,000 shares and on the 30th we are at $2.00 I will get an additional 65,000 shares for a total of 75,000 shares with a $150,000 value. If the price goes up to $5 a share I now have $375,000, $10pps=$750,000, $15pps=1,125,000
ANY WAY YOU PLAY IT, IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME!
Exactly Guys & Gals...........Pop open that Champagne!!!
Posted by bilgert on :
For argument's sake, let's just call this a forward split, because fundamentally speaking that's what it is.
By and large, forward splits are looked upon favorably on 'the big board', because it usually means that a company's PPS has gotten so huge, that it prohibits, or discourages Joe Investor from jumping in. By increasing the number of shares through a f/s, there is an increased liquidity and an ability to move more money, more quickly. However, a forward split, no matter how you cook it- is still a form of dilution.
There is a possible scenario that Rufus might be cooking up- if he believes the key to moving this stock is to give investors and MMs more ability to purchase shares on the open market, then an increased o/s makes sense. Perhaps Rufus felt his hands were still being tied by the shorters, and he needed a way to give new investors and the MMs working for him an ability to hold a position without having to wait for the shorts to settle.
If this is true, the key to doing it successfully is to do it without undermining investor confidence. He hasn't done it with his recent actions- with a late day 10-K release and a confusing interpretation of Option C.
A nice PR explaining why he chose a modified Option C, along with a realistic portrayal of the book value would go a long way in keeping people from panic selling.
Still slicing through the 10-K while trying to do my 'real' job. What a pain- both tasks.
Posted by wallymac on :
Dilution What does it Mean? A reduction in earnings per share of common stock that occurs through the issuance of additional shares or the conversion of convertible securities.
Investopedia Says... Adding to the number of shares outstanding reduces the value of holdings of existing shareholders.
Even if we don't have to pay for them there are still more shares which reduces the EPS and value. It's not the usual Dilution that we are accustomed to, meaning companies selling shares into the market. Like I said earlier let's work together. I won't bury my head in the sand and I hope no one else does.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Doniboy on :
Actually, I should amend my statement...the bashers are now sick of discussing a perceived dilution and are back to complaining about the auditor....LOL...The handbook for bashers in full force.
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by dog: Rufus and Ben on Subpenny NOW.
Can you fill us in on what they are saying?
Is it a replay or are they coming on again?
-fw
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Rufus and Ben on Subpenny NOW.
It's a rebroadcast
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by dog: Rufus and Ben on Subpenny NOW.
Can you fill us in on what they are saying?
It's a replay.
Posted by Igor R on :
So, if theyre not going to dilute, where will the extra shares come from to give to the shareholders, that one thing im having a tough time with.
Posted by wallymac on :
The shares will come from the company treasury. THey will be issued by the company. Yes the shorts will have to cover them but unless we close at $15 or above more shares will be on the market.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Oh my Goodness!!! Is Simon drunk? I'm serious!!! He sounds extremely gitty & drunk!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
He does that, just part of his personality.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Hey...those were my questions...I sent him a PM before leaving work.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Jesuspower1 asnswers some questions.... ---------------------------------------------- I understand the stock split forward thing...just having a hard time understanding a couple of things.
1). How do you see the stock going to $100 per share based on the response after the 10-K. Not everyone understands what is really going on with the company. I have personally talked to three of the Executives from July, before they became a PUBLICLY TRADED company and I was at peace with their conversation and believed that they were truly being honest and had great things in store for anyone who invested in this venture.
The book value of this company is OVER $100, which puts this CONSERVATIVELY traded at $300/share.
2). What happened to the very often repeated re-set and move to Nasdaq? The Fat lady hasn't sung yet! We can't know everything or every move the company is going to make or we would have INSIDER info!
It takes 30 -45 days to get to Nasdaq when requirements start being met. The PR that was put out regarding the application to the Nasdaq and the contact with the market maker was on Sept. 13th.
Do the math, On November 30th, it will be over 45 days, so my take is that they just bought more time because they are going STRAIGHT to the Nasdaq.
3). Why was it in the shareholders best interest to wait until the last minute to release the 10-K? Because they wanted it to support the PPS of $15 / share and their facilitation to the NASDAQ, which is going to bring in Billions!
4). What happened to the "Rock Wall Street" and "you will all be happy on Monday" statements. We haven't seen it all yet. It's obvious the 10K is not the BOMB we are waiting for!
5). Why does it appear that Rufus hates the shorts more than he loves the shareholders? He seems to be playing games with them at our expense. That's your take on this! That's the SPIN that's been added! I see him as LOVING us and wanting to protect us and make us prosperous. It takes time to get things done...ROME wasn't built in a day. Most millionaires work their whole lives amassing their wealth.
A final word: This seems like we are just buying a bit more time in elementary school (OTCBB) trying to patch up some disagreements before we move on to college (Nasdaq) and not have another opportunity to make amends due to moving away.
If Oct 30th comes and we are at $16 / share, the algebra equation will be invalid. BUT BY THAT POINT, the institutions will have hit their $5.00 buy-in target and the stock will have already skyrocketed to over $100 / share. Just watch and see, it ain't over yet.
The EXECS stated that they would work quickly and efficiently to resolve the 75 million shorts, this might be one of the ways they've had to comply with the SEC.
Remember, we have to learn to read the clues and think back on the things that were said in the interviews and PR's.
How quickly we forget!
I still have my $300,000 ferrari and will not take $500 for it. I will get my $300,000. PERIOD!
Hey...those were my questions...I sent him a PM a couple of hours ago. Posted by bigstocks on :
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The shares wont be on the market until shareholders sell. I know Im not going to sell mine for $15. JMHO
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
When companies negativly dilute a stock they authorize a crap load of shares hand them over to the TA or hedge fund and the holder sells them into the market at current share price. Companies add liquidity to their security by forward spliting a security. (Which is what is happening here.) They authorize a crap load of shares hand them out "only" to current shareholders and the new holders to sell into the market.
So what is the difference? The holder!! TA and Hedge Funds do not have a reason to try and get the "best" market price for the shares, current market price is good enough. Shareholders are just the opposite. Wanting the best price possible.
It may match up with all definitions of dilution, but it certainly is NOT the same thing.
Posted by Jenna on :
I've only heard him during interviews & he was very professional, but I don't mind. I prefer people who have personalities!
Posted by wallymac on :
(c) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay no additional consideration to the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4 ). In the event that the Buyer elects option (c) described above, the Company may terminate this Agreement by providing the Buyer written notice of termination no later than one (1) Business Day prior to the Closing Date.
above is the wording in the 8K and 8KA below is the wording in the 10K.
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
Does anyone see a difference.
GLTA Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: When companies negativly dilute a stock they authorize a crap load of shares hand them over to the TA or hedge fund and the holder sells them into the market at current share price. Companies add liquidity to their security by forward spliting a security. (Which is what is happening here.) They authorize a crap load of shares hand them out "only" to current shareholders and the new holders to sell into the market.
So what is the difference? The holder!! TA and Hedge Funds do not have a reason to try and get the "best" market price for the shares, current market price is good enough. Shareholders are just the opposite. Wanting the best price possible.
It may match up with all definitions of dilution, but it certainly is NOT the same thing.
You are right in as much as the typical dilution which is twice as bad but it still has the affect of adding shares to the market which will in effect reduce the EPS. Not agruing with you but it isn't the same as what was originally stated.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Igor R on :
Is SPR live right now, or still the rebroadcast?
Posted by wallymac on :
It's live now
Posted by Jenna on :
Right now it's live. Simon's talking to a shareholder.
Posted by 10of13 on :
I had an emergency and had to leave just moments after the filing...what the heck happened? Anyone? Yeah, yeah i know...I'll start reading...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I had an emergency and had to leave just moments after the filing...what the heck happened? Anyone? Yeah, yeah i know...I'll start reading...
THey will make of the difference between the PPS and $15 by issuing additional dividend shares
Posted by GreenDay on :
10- Confusion of 10K caused panic selling eod imo.
Most (including me) know how this will all effect pps on 10/30..
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
Posted by tyleemary on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I had an emergency and had to leave just moments after the filing...what the heck happened? Anyone? Yeah, yeah i know...I'll start reading...
Do you know how ?
Posted by Doniboy on :
10, it was uber ugly this afternoon, and the worst part about it??? IT MADE NO SENSE!!!!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
You are such a sweetie to be so concerned...
Thanks guys/gals...Wally...I can't listen to the SPR...if there is anything "major" would you post it here? thanks!
quote:Originally posted by tyleemary:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I had an emergency and had to leave just moments after the filing...what the heck happened? Anyone? Yeah, yeah i know...I'll start reading...
Do you know how ?
Posted by rburnout on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by thesource: My question is this :
If we have auditted values of the company * $7.2x a share , why are we trading at $1.8x a share today and probably $1.3x a share tomorrow ?
Something does not add up here .
RIGHT!! And there is a 5 BILLION dollar Euro bond that will first be on the 10q on NOv 15th!
That IS something to keep in mind people!!!
Hmmm, did you not know that no such bond exists? That bond actually has a face value of 700mm, poroven by others' DD. I don't have a link handy.
I don't believe any of this bond nonsense anyhow. Rufus can't claim them as assets without offsetting liabilities.
Today's 10-k will likely come under intense SEC scrutiny, and not pass, imo.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: You are such a sweetie to be so concerned...
Thanks guys/gals...Wally...I can't listen to the SPR...if there is anything "major" would you post it here? thanks!
quote:Originally posted by tyleemary:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I had an emergency and had to leave just moments after the filing...what the heck happened? Anyone? Yeah, yeah i know...I'll start reading...
Do you know how ?
No problem. Nothing earth shattering at this point. Longs calling in and saying it's a great thing. Someone calling in thanking TUT. Simon has ask about the dilution. No real answers there. No Rufus, Sabra, Ben or Mike so far. I'll try to keep you updated.
GLTA Wally
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Wally ~ I understand what you are saying but I have witnessed dilution and this is not it. You can't sink the price on an undervalued stock by adding this many shares in this method.
Frankly I hope that everyone that wants sells out and goes running from this stock. I hope they do it quickly! Let's see less shareholders, remainder are primarily longs, and a lower price.
So Rufus has to give out more shares to fewer people including myself, who will be less likely to sell this stock at low share prices.
Sorry if there are shareholders out there that were looking for a quick payday at the expense of the longer term holders but I am in favor of getting more shares of a stock that has a 10Q full of recent multi-billion dollar bonds comming down the pipe.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
Bottom line - Rufus has done what he promised...just maybe not as expected but it works out the same!
You basically ARE getting $15/share!!!
Doc & Tax are explaining things........
I don't know why everyone's so glum.
Rufus has a plan & we just can't see the whole picture. We only have a few pieces of the puzzle so we can't see the whole thing.
We we're waiting for the 10K, it came! ...And it's awesome!!!
Next we will be waiting for the 10Q which will be even better!!!
How can this be bad we will have possibly 5x as many shares with an upcoming 10Q containing HUGE assests & bonds in it, and a move to Nasdaq (not sure which order) but this is spectacular!!
Take a breath- we are in something that is tremendous!!!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
rburnout Wow, first post calls for an SEC investigation...LOL..if your going to mindless bash you need to ease into it....LOL
Posted by fhalyesss on :
rburnout
Go bash elsewhere **********!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Boring heard it all before, give your fingers a rest your not influencing anyone here!!!! Posted by RichBy26 on :
rburnout, you are obviously a basher. you hide your star rating because you are only here for one reason. your first post on allstocks is an obvious attemt to scare people. And about the bond, you need to do your own DD, then you would not look like a complete idiot for relying on others DD... GLTY
Posted by tompom on :
what a drama! at least nobody gets bored with this stock... i´m more than curious how this plays out tomorrow
Posted by 10of13 on :
rburnout your posting name speaks volume...go try another board...after you smoke another...K?
Posted by CRab on :
haha...that was something new...haven't had one of those in a while...
besides...I thought the new style bash uses the subtle technique...befriending and then spreading doubt...that guy's old school...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Ok Tax I'm not understanding how the pps will stay the same after they pay the dividend or split. I've been involved in splits before and the pps always reflected the new share count.
Posted by Jenna on :
rburnout- I would love to see the DD you've done to find that info about the bonds.....any links would be appreciated.. Thanks! I'll be curious to see if you return.......
Posted by Jenna on :
Guy on subpenny just talked with Ben * 5:30 central- Ben said to watch for something to clarify all of this.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Ok Tax I'm not understanding how the pps will stay the same after they pay the dividend or split. I've been involved in splits before and the pps always reflected the new share count.
That's my point exactly. ****************************************
As far as RBurnout. Just ignore him. He is not bring anything of value to the table.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Simon just said perhaps we've just been watching the trailer & now we'll see the movie.......
Posted by Doniboy on :
Its past 5:30 central now
Posted by wallymac on :
THe guy talking right now is a poster from HSM. Saying it isn't dilution because the company isn't getting any money from it.
GLTA Wally
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
A company with a 10KSB showing $800 $illion in assets, has a market cap of $52.2 Million at the end of the day? Hmmmm...
I couldn't feel more comfortable in my position. MMs are going to have to watch this climb on good news. And I am going to get MORE shares the day before Halloween just for holding in there.
Posted by Jenna on :
No, he said he talked with him at 5:30 central, he's just talking about it now.... he's been talking with Simon for a while but just brought up the conversation with Ben just now... sorry if I wasn't clear.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
Wally/Ryan, I know how splits work. I believe we will get PRs to raise our pps before the 30th and if they do not accomplish the 15pps we will move to the NASD where they will release the 10Q showing the billions in assets. Once we reach the NASD we will see our true pps value. JMHO
Posted by 10of13 on :
KENNESAW, Ga., Oct. 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation announces the following current events have taken place.
CVSU would like to announce that today we file our 10-KSB and a 10-KSB/A Annual Report.
The Filing highlights the company's strong growth and the large market expansion of its Asset Backed Portfolio. It also notes that the company will reveal the Assets that have been contracted since June 30, 2006, in the upcoming statements of financial results.
Net Income for the fiscal year ending of June 30, 2006 was $18,530,865.
Total Assets for the fiscal year end was $830,009,352. Total Shareholder equity for the fiscal year end was $789,508,292.
Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006.
With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22.
The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71.
A typographic error in the 10-KSB under Item 5 Current Event-Driven Threshold Price Reset should have read as follows;
Current Event-Driven Threshold Price Reset
As a result of the Merger agreement between FrontHaul Group and CSHD [incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act)] Item 2.6 Average Closing Price Adjustment which reads a follows;
In the event that the Actual Average Closing Price is less than $15.00, the Surviving Holdings Company shall deliver written notice to the Company no later than the second (2nd) Business Day preceding the Closing Date pursuant to which the Surviving Holdings Company shall elect, in its sole discretion, to: (a) maintain the Average Closing Price at a price equal to the Actual Average Closing Price; (b) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4) an amount in cash equal to $15.00 minus the Actual Average Closing Price per share of Buyer's Stock to be received by such holders of Company Shares; or (c) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay no additional consideration to the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4).
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).
A 10-KSB/A was filed and accepted at 6:50PM and will show up on the Edgar System first thing tomorrow morning.
"The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.
About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at www.cvsu.us.
SOURCE Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Posted by wallymac on :
Conversion Solutions Holdings Files 10-KSB, Annual Report KENNESAW, Ga., Oct. 16 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation announces the following current events have taken place.
CVSU would like to announce that today we file our 10-KSB and a 10-KSB/A Annual Report.
The Filing highlights the company's strong growth and the large market expansion of its Asset Backed Portfolio. It also notes that the company will reveal the Assets that have been contracted since June 30, 2006, in the upcoming statements of financial results.
Net Income for the fiscal year ending of June 30, 2006 was $18,530,865.
Total Assets for the fiscal year end was $830,009,352. Total Shareholder equity for the fiscal year end was $789,508,292.
Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006.
With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22.
The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71.
A typographic error in the 10-KSB under Item 5 Current Event-Driven Threshold Price Reset should have read as follows;
Current Event-Driven Threshold Price Reset
As a result of the Merger agreement between FrontHaul Group and CSHD [incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act)] Item 2.6 Average Closing Price Adjustment which reads a follows;
In the event that the Actual Average Closing Price is less than $15.00, the Surviving Holdings Company shall deliver written notice to the Company no later than the second (2nd) Business Day preceding the Closing Date pursuant to which the Surviving Holdings Company shall elect, in its sole discretion, to: (a) maintain the Average Closing Price at a price equal to the Actual Average Closing Price; (b) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4) an amount in cash equal to $15.00 minus the Actual Average Closing Price per share of Buyer's Stock to be received by such holders of Company Shares; or (c) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay no additional consideration to the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration (after giving effect to the allocation procedures set forth in Section 2.4).
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).
A 10-KSB/A was filed and accepted at 6:50PM and will show up on the Edgar System first thing tomorrow morning.
'The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78,' stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.
About Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
CSHD is a diversified holdings corporation, which was formed to originate, fund and source funding for asset-based transactions in the private market. CSHD's main service will be to acquire, fund and provide insurance to target companies in the currently underserved $15,000,000 to $100,000,000 asset finance market. Our funding will enable our businesses to compete more effectively, improve operations and increase value. CSHD is headquartered in Kennesaw, Georgia, a suburb of Atlanta. For more information, please visit us at www.cvsu.us.
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: Wally/Ryan, I know how splits work. I believe we will get PRs to raise our pps before the 30th and if they do not accomplish the 15pps we will move to the NASD where they will release the 10Q showing the billions in assets. Once we reach the NASD we will see our true pps value. JMHO
I think we all like your line of thinking!!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Wally- I just walked away for a sec, did this guy just say he's reading a PR from CSHD? How can that be. I didn't see one.
Posted by Jenna on :
NEVER MIND!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
now it's saying the numbers used to figure out the divi are from close of business today. And to be issued on the 30th?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
The stock is already depressed. Depressed beyond comprehension because the 10KSB was not believed the reset thought to be impossible.
Now it is being done by the known SEC rules against an existing audited financial document.
$800 Million assets and a $52.2 Million dollar cap!
Posted by NEL on :
HERE IS THE CLARIFICATION!!! NEEDED TO BE A SHAREHOLDER TODAY!!!!
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).
A 10-KSB/A was filed and accepted at 6:50PM and will show up on the Edgar System first thing tomorrow morning.
'The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78,' stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.
Posted by fhalyesss on :
New book value $11 and we will have 6 times the shares we had at close today, WOOOOOPPEEEEEE!!!! Posted by RyanPBF on :
this thing is wild. without a doubt.
Posted by Sandusky on :
Sheesh the freakin formula explanation is still jacked...both variables (X - X) are value of EOD today (Oct 16). Thank goodness it explains further.
Posted by luvforever on :
Ha ha told you folks I;m long and strong I got my shares WOOOOOOOO heeeee! Hope you didn't sell Posted by fhalyesss on :
Heres another conspiracy theory for you TAX! Looks like an other 'accidental' mistake in a filing!!!!!!
It means that all those that bailed out in the panic this afternoon, can buy back in tommorrow but dont get the divy shares!!! HA HA!
Posted by 10of13 on :
I am so mad at myself right now....I sold some shares today...and the 10K came out...I saw the way the market reacted...I did a quick scan...and an emergency came up...so I left...WIthoutOUT BUYING back in...I though that I had until the 30th....I am kicking my but!
Posted by Sandusky on :
Holy crap it just hit me...I think they did this on purpose...insanely brilliant (I think).
Posted by NEL on :
Correct me if my math is wrong but shouldn't we get 7 shares for every share instead of 6.
$15.00-$1.80=$13.20 divided by $1.80=7.3333 rounded down to 7????
The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78,' stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I was just thinking that fhal. So is this the way it will go down?
tax they had to increase the o/s 6 times. Now on 30th when these shares become active what ever we close at on the 29th on the 30th we'll have 6 times the amount of shares, but our pps will be divided by six? At least that how I'm understaning this.
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky: Holy crap it just hit me...I think they did this on purpose...insanely brilliant (I think).
I thought they did this on purpose with the extension notice as well or was it the 8K, I forget.
Posted by luvforever on :
Don't get caught with your pants down!! Listen to him folks...don't panic ! If you have certs you got some divy yeeeehawwww!!!! LOve it Plus the dts he told everyone, listen ^ shares for every share yes yes doing the dance doing the dance lovin it baby!!!!!!!!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
WOW! (one word is all!!!!) WOW!
Posted by Sandusky on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky: Holy crap it just hit me...I think they did this on purpose...insanely brilliant (I think).
I thought they did this on purpose with the extension notice as well or was it the 8K, I forget.
I don't know but this is better...especially since it tanked so hard. The further it went down this afternoon the more shares we get (right?). I bet this was the first time Rufus has ever wanted the pps down. Unbelievable...this guy purposely tanked his own pps in order to improve the results of this formula? Can that be right? LOL...
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Rufus pulled a blinder!!!
With a CEO like this i am going to be holding a long time!!!!
Posted by NEL on :
So with 6 extra shares per share I own I will have 71,911 shares * $1.80 current pps for a total of $129,440 or multiplied by the projected $11.78pps = $847,112 NOT BAD!!!
Posted by thesource on :
Damn , this puts a new twist on things . I guess we'll see where we go from here .
Posted by luvforever on :
We are the true longs We got what we've been holding on for we are just about there!!!!!!!! Darn this is tooooo goooood peeps partytime party time! Guys gals all the dd you have done ...It's paying off! BB, Rat, Chart, 10 ,Mr Cat, I don't know about you but we are gonna be fithy rich when this hits nasdaq!!!!!!!
Posted by NEL on :
[/QUOTE]I don't know but this is better...especially since it tanked so hard. The further it went down this afternoon the more shares we get (right?). I bet this was the first time Rufus has ever wanted the pps down. Unbelievable...this guy purposely tanked his own pps in order to improve the results of this formula? Can that be right? LOL... [/QUOTE]
I never thought of the end the day low scenario? WOW!!!
Posted by luvforever on :
Get out the blue shampoo!!!! LOL I am rolling on the floor darn this is too crazy!!!!!! Where's the excitement???? Posted by tompom on :
this sounds too good to be true...
Posted by jmoe20 on :
1.80 X 7 (one share we have, six to come)still only = $12.6 as of todays closing price.
Rufus must have something in the works before we get our shares to get the price higher. I still think he will make good on his $15
Posted by mnvestor on :
Congrats to longs...watch for a swift move to the nasdaq...if you sold today you were warned to not be caught with your pants down..
Posted by dog on :
So those that panic sold and drove the PPS to 1.82 just made me more shares via the equation, plus they are shut out of this dividend?
Yup... either with or without.
Posted by milliam on :
This thing is looking good, but I have some questions...
When did they raise the A/S to cover this? Did they have to?
Secondly, anyone want to guess what this will do to the pps tomorrow? It would seem like its too late for the shorts to cover. Is the pps going to be 1.80/6? I would think it would go up, but only because of the shorts. Since the date to get in on this was today, why would anyone want to buy tomorrow unless the pps is still really low? I think maybe he should have made the date tomorrow. That would have pushed the pps way up IMHO.
Good luck to us all!
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:Originally posted by Portman: Jo...you are honest but I hope you do not get caught. I have no idea what tonorrow will bring but I bet tonight brings a PR.
Well, I guess you were right about that. Darn, 4 months of waiting and I panicked at crunch time.
This sucks.
Jo
Posted by dog on :
427k shares? I'm having a drink... sorry... this is too effin good!
Posted by JHenry on :
I am feeling golden - I even bought more this morning - Sweet. I am reserving my emotions for the full out party when my account value increases. Awesome PR!
Posted by BooDog on :
beats the hell out of me. Sounds like he's just adding a 6 for 1 split divy style though
Posted by CRab on :
jeese...tanking his own stock to raise the price for those that had faith and held...boy-o-boy am I glad I made my peace with this some time ago...in the past i would've gotten nervous and sold this afternoon...
Rufus is teaching some valuable lessons here, lol...take'm for what they're worth people...
Posted by wallymac on :
THe point I've been making is the dilution which the PR confirms.
That being said I'm glad I didn't sell today. The one question I have is that there is a requirement from NASD of a dividend being published 10 days prior to the record date. We need to figure out how Rufus got around that. Was it the fact that the 8K established a $15 reset.
Also this means that the MM's have no choice but to cover in the market.
GLTA Wally
Posted by mnvestor on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: This thing is looking good, but I have some questions...
When did they raise the A/S to cover this? Did they have to?
Secondly, anyone want to guess what this will do to the pps tomorrow? It would seem like its too late for the shorts to cover. Is the pps going to be 1.80/6? I would think it would go up, but only because of the shorts. Since the date to get in on this was today, why would anyone want to buy tomorrow unless the pps is still really low? I think maybe he should have made the date tomorrow. That would have pushed the pps way up IMHO.
Good luck to us all!
Still an amazing buy, a 12 dollar stock (with no multiple) trading at 1.80, you do the math
Posted by thesource on :
If this is true my 3300 shares just went to 19800 shares ..... I can live with that I guess !!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
is this really happening???!!!
Posted by Igor R on :
Guess the guy who bought the 132k shares had to be pretty happy.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
this maybe what Sabra meant by Rock Wall Street!!!
Posted by JHenry on :
Do you think they are stating that today is the "Record Date" and if so you would still be able to buy until the Ex-Date and still get the Divy. Just a thought.
Posted by 10of13 on :
OMG...Jo you sold? ALL? I was mad at myself for trying to do A flip with some of my shares...and not buying back in...cause I had an emergency...but...I am so sorry... You can still get in low in the am....and the PPS is going to continue to climb...
Posted by milliam on :
I'm betting some MM's are going to be calling fowl!!!
Sorry to hear of your circumstance, Jo. Tough times.
Posted by CRab on :
So...here is the question...is the PPS going to top $71.00 in the next two weeks?
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: 427k shares? I'm having a drink... sorry... this is too effin good!
You the man Dog! I have only been in this a little (8300 shares) so x that by 6 and its not to shabby!
Talk about a turn-around this evening.
-fw
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: So...here is the question...is the PPS going to top $71.00 in the next two weeks?
if we get to the NASD there is a chance...
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry: Do you think they are stating that today is the "Record Date" and if so you would still be able to buy until the Ex-Date and still get the Divy. Just a thought.
Shouldn't we see a Dividend/Split filing on this very soon?
Posted by thesource on :
This is going to be SICK if this is real .
Posted by thecon00 on :
CRab
best post of the night!!! i couldn't agree more. Rufus said he wanted long investors and those that sold with week hands last second got screwed.
Im not so sure the 10k slip up was one
Go Rufus!!!!!!
CRab Member
posted October 16, 2006 21:15 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- jeese...tanking his own stock to raise the price for those that had faith and held...boy-o-boy am I glad I made my peace with this some time ago...in the past i would've gotten nervous and sold this afternoon...
Rufus is teaching some valuable lessons here, lol...take'm for what they're worth people...
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:OMG...Jo you sold? ALL? I was mad at myself for trying to do A flip with some of my shares...and not buying back in...cause I had an emergency...but...I am so sorry... You can still get in low in the am....and the PPS is going to continue to climb...
Yep, I sold it all.
Those of you who know my terrible record with trading know that I've been in situations before where I've been up and then the stock tanks and I'm stuck with 80-90% losses. (STTK, NDOL, XKEM). As it was, I had bought more at higher prices and I was averaged in at about 1.77. It was the difference between a 20% gain and about a 1% gain to sell before it hit $1.78.
I made my decision based on the PR they put out right before closing with the original October 30th date and the price that it was at that time. I guess that OTC stocks can say whatever they want in a PR and then claim a typographical error. It really sucks though cause I considered myself to be long, but I just got panicked. Rufus didn't consider stockholders like myself when he made that "TYPO", I guess.
I feel SICK!
Jo
Posted by dog on :
Isn't it really a 7 multiplier? 6 for each we hold...is it that the 6 multiplier plus the original shares?
Then it's 7 times....
Posted by a surfer on :
wow I have been gone all night what happened. Mom is sick.
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Isn't it really a 7 multiplier? 6 for each we hold...is it that the 6 multiplier plus the original shares?
Then it's 7 times....
YES
Posted by CRab on :
yep it's 7x what you have now...or what you have now plus 6x that amount...people are just writing it different ways...
Posted by dog on :
"for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share"
6 multiplier plus original = 7 times.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
Jo, don't ever be down on yourself for selling and takin a profit. You did what you thought was right, which was to protect your capital. No shame there, you can still make $$$ on this stock, you just won't get the dividend. GLTY
Posted by Jenna on :
I told you RUFUS IS A GENIUS!!!! He did this on purpose!!!
JO- Buy back tomorrow - if you think about it. It's under $2 & it's worth a lot more........so you can't change it but you still know the facts...you'll be ok... come back to the party...we love you & your picture posts..!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
from HSM...
ConCarne HSM Newbie
Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 28 Quote: Originally Posted by Peaser01 Will the pps continue to suffer due to no new long positions being opened since today seemed to be the cut-off to be in so to speak.
Please correct me if I am wrong in my thinking.
Not likely.
Shorts owe the dividend to the other side of the trade.
Since this went ex-dividend TODAY their accounts will be market as owing a huge 6 x $11.78 placeholder dividend for every share held short in their account.
DID YOU HEAR ME?
Everyone short just went capital negative in a huge way that's independent of share price.
NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.
What a freakin' play!!!!
IMMEDIATELT EX-DIVY FOR $60+ which will be held over them until 10/30. Forced settlement.
Bankrupt.
Shorts just got wiped out. Retail and naked. Eliminated. __________________
Posted by a surfer on :
Holy crap!!!!! We are rich
Posted by frank021474 on :
So count that as a race for the shorts to gain that 6x covering they are now stuck with! Brilliant-
Posted by dog on :
Sick ..... just sick.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: So count that as a race for the shorts to gain that 6x covering they are now stuck with! Brilliant-
7 TIMES.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Wally ~ I will say it again... it is not the same as dilution when you put the new shares in the shareholders account. Tommorrow the share price will not go down because no new shares are going to hit the market. Give me news and atleast a $22 pps value on NASDAQ and I will trade some of these in for something a bit more stable and brand name like Walmart, Disney, or Coca-Cola... but not until they reach at least 2X book value or better yet 3X book value.
Sell if you don't want the free ones. It's up to you.
Posted by a surfer on :
between my dad and I we have 47401 shares today x 6. WTF!!!!! is this book value of 11 equal to 22 bucks. Thats 284,406 shares LOL you have got to be kidding me!!!!!
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Somehow, though, I don't think he meant to screw the little guy (like me), but this is what happenned today.
Where's Repo? I need a hug.
Jo
Posted by CRab on :
What that poster just pointed out is what they have been talking about...this is absolutly incredible...
What that poster is saying about the ex-divi's...can someone here validate that logic?
Posted by lostone on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: from HSM...
ConCarne HSM Newbie
Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 28 Quote: Originally Posted by Peaser01 Will the pps continue to suffer due to no new long positions being opened since today seemed to be the cut-off to be in so to speak.
Please correct me if I am wrong in my thinking.
Not likely.
Shorts owe the dividend to the other side of the trade.
Since this went ex-dividend TODAY their accounts will be market as owing a huge 6 x $11.78 placeholder dividend for every share held short in their account.
DID YOU HEAR ME?
Everyone short just went capital negative in a huge way that's independent of share price.
NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.
What a freakin' play!!!!
IMMEDIATELT EX-DIVY FOR $60+ which will be held over them until 10/30. Forced settlement.
Bankrupt.
Shorts just got wiped out. Retail and naked. Eliminated. __________________
eh.. i'm not so sure about owing 6 x $11 ish.. I think right now, they do owe the 6 shares though.. but the price? that's remained to be seen.. and what is the exact deadline that they have to cover by? 10/30? I'm still in fear of the MM's .. they could just drive us down still..
Posted by thesource on :
I still cannot believe this is happening . What do you think the market will do tomorrow ? Rise on the news or drive it down further to try and cover the additional shares it must now cover before it gets listed on NAS ?
Posted by dog on :
Beyond rich.... when and if it hits my bank account. Just sitting back and watching the show.
Posted by frank021474 on :
Rufus made a good play to ensure the shareholders DO NOT dump before 10/30- which could be a tentative date for NasD (Just a thought).
Posted by dog on :
In other words... we got a lotta ride left on this wagon.
Posted by atthebank on :
The bomb has been dropped !!,, Hang in there everyone
Posted by frank021474 on :
Yes- it will take a miracle to pry my shares out of my gi-joe kung fu grip!
Posted by JHenry on :
If the Record Date = 10-16-06 and the Pay Date = 10-30-06 then the Ex-Date would be 10-26-06 which means you could buy through 10-25-06 and still get the divy. Also, if you were to sell prior to 10-26-06 you would not get the divy.
Posted by Jenna on :
I am actually crying.... I have tears rolling down my face!!! Happy tears.....Can we celebrate now or do we have to wait 'til the 30th?
Posted by milliam on :
If there's only so many shares out there, how in the world are the shorters going to come up with 6 times the number they shorted? I assume they will have to buy out someone with real shares thus eliminating the 6 additional shares they would have received?
Anyone want to try and explain just how the shorts will cover this? Seems almost impossible to me (except with a huge run in the pps that gets the longs to sale).
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
This is an awesome play dog congrats I know you are holding big... you deserve it for all the sweat you have shed.
Posted by lostone on :
REPO!!! Lets here the Devil's advocate!! I wanna see all the sides..
Posted by CRab on :
I'm curious...if one sells tommorrow do they still get the divy for the other six shares?
Where am I going with this? It doesn't matter if the shorts cover tommorrow they still owe those six extra shares right? Anyone think they will actually cover?
Wait...as of right now 1 of our shares = 7 shorty shares right? That is until the divi occurs...
Posted by a surfer on :
so let me get this straight.. When eill the nasdaq move happen?? Nov. 1st.
Posted by dog on :
Thanks Tax... but you know it's not real til it's in the account...... just watching and waiting from now on.
Truth be told... I almost sold half of my position today.
Posted by Jenna on :
Surfer - "Who's your Daddy?" Really does he post here?
Posted by milliam on :
One last question...where did these extra shares come from, no I'm not talking about the ones for the divy!
Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006.
The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71.
Just wondering. Have a great night everyone!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Thanks Tax... but you know it's not real til it's in the account...... just watching and waiting from now on.
Truth be told... I almost sold half of my position today.
I thought about it too dog.... But with the hyper confusion of today I decided it was not a good idea...
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: I'm curious...if one sells tommorrow do they still get the divy for the other six shares?
Where am I going with this? It doesn't matter if the shorts cover tommorrow they still owe those six extra shares right? Anyone think they will actually cover?
Wait...as of right now 1 of our shares = 7 shorty shares right? That is until the divi occurs...
If the Record Date = 10-16-06 and the Pay Date = 10-30-06 then the Ex-Date would be 10-26-06 which means you could buy through 10-25-06 and still get the divy. Inversly, if you were to sell prior to 10-26-06 you would not get the divy.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Wally ~ I will say it again... it is not the same as dilution when you put the new shares in the shareholders account. Tommorrow the share price will not go down because no new shares are going to hit the market. Give me news and atleast a $22 pps value on NASDAQ and I will trade some of these in for something a bit more stable and brand name like Walmart, Disney, or Coca-Cola... but not until they reach at least 2X book value or better yet 3X book value.
Sell if you don't want the free ones. It's up to you.
You are misunderstanding me. Even the PR states dilution, not a bad thing in this case. I'm not saying it's a bad thing the way it was done. I said we needed more information which we have now.
I haven't sold and never told anyone to sell. I always said that we needed to work together to figure things out.
GLTA Wally
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Thanks Tax... but you know it's not real til it's in the account...... just watching and waiting from now on.
Truth be told... I almost sold half of my position today.
If I had been near a computer when the stock starting dropping , I'd sold all of mine too !!! I just so happen to leave to pick my son up at 2:45 cst and it dumped after that .
Posted by CRab on :
But I thought they just had to give notice ten days before the divi occurs...why couldn't the cutoff be today? As long as the divi didn't occur in the next ten days aren't they good?
Posted by dog on :
Keeping it simple helped today... I figured, whatever, we have a 10k that says we are at least worth 7 bucks.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:If the Record Date = 10-16-06 and the Pay Date = 10-30-06 then the Ex-Date would be 10-26-06 which means you could buy through 10-25-06 and still get the divy. Also, if you were to sell prior to 10-26-06 you would not get the divy.
I'm not understanding what you are saying here?
Jo
Posted by CRab on :
Dividends must be declared (i.e., approved) by a company’s Board of Directors each time they are paid. There are four important dates to remember regarding dividends.
Declaration date: The declaration date is the day the Board of Director’s announces their intention to pay a dividend. On this day, the company creates a liability on its books; it now owes the money to the stockholders. On the declaration date, the Board will also announce a date of record and a payment date.
Date of record: Shareholders who properly registered their ownership on or before this date will receive the dividend. Shareholders who are not registered as of this date will not receive the dividend. Registration in most countries is essentially automatic for shares purchased before the ex-dividend date.
Ex dividend date: Is set by the exchange where the stock is traded, several days (usually two) before the date of record, so that all trades made on previous dates can be properly settled and the shareholder list on the date of record will accurately reflect the current owners. Purchasers buying before the ex-dividend date will receive the dividend. The stock is said to trade cum dividend on these dates. Purchasers buying on or after the ex-dividend date will not receive the dividend. The stock trades ex-dividend on these dates.
Payment date: The date when the dividend cheques will actually be mailed to the shareholders of a company.
Posted by dog on :
Jo,
If you get back in immediately tomorrow.. you will still do very well. It hurt today watching the tank.... many people did sell, and the rest almost sold.
Posted by thecon00 on :
milliam,
62m FHAL + 41m CVSU = 103m total
this was always our OS the way i learned it
milliam Member
Member Rated: posted October 16, 2006 21:44 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- One last question...where did these extra shares come from, no I'm not talking about the ones for the divy!
Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006.
The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71.
Just wondering. Have a great night everyone!
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
quote:If the Record Date = 10-16-06 and the Pay Date = 10-30-06 then the Ex-Date would be 10-26-06 which means you could buy through 10-25-06 and still get the divy. Also, if you were to sell prior to 10-26-06 you would not get the divy.
I'm not understanding what you are saying here?
Jo
In a divy the only date that matters is the Ex-Date. We need to see the "divy/split" filing. The PR reads as if today was the Record Date. If that is true then you can still buy and get the divy through the day before the Ex-Date. The Ex-Date is 2 days before the Pay Date and it appears that the Pay Date is being set for 10-30-06. That is the way a divy works - but we need to see the divy filing to be sure of the dates.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Surfer - "Who's your Daddy?" Really does he post here?
my dad has been retired since 1985 he doesn't do much but play golf, go boating and travel.
He doesn't post here.
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: This thing is looking good, but I have some questions...
Since the date to get in on this was today, why would anyone want to buy tomorrow unless the pps is still really low?
Good question!
Posted by Bittermac on :
My father is the one who turned me on to the stock when it was FHAL. THE MAN IS A GENIUS!!!!! Shares times six and $11.78 PPS? OHHHH YEAH!!!!! I love you all!!! I am naming a child after Rufus!
Stay long! Stay strong!!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
CAN THIS BE REAL?????????? Is this freakin possible? I bought back in today, after being an old school FHAL holder....Did I actually time something correctly????? Holy Schnikies!!!!!!!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
(2) In respect to cash dividends or distributions, stock dividends and/or splits, and the distribution of warrants, which are 25% or greater of the value of the subject security, the ex-dividend date shall be the first business day following the payable date.
Posted by dlab on :
Where are the shorts going to get there shares? No one will sell and loose their divys.
Posted by Bittermac on :
Dlab, I think that is Rufus's point, the shorters are stuck.
Posted by wwilliammc on :
rufus calls this a merger consideration, not a dividend, thats the way i read it
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by dlab: Where are the shorts going to get there shares? No one will sell and loose their divys.
They can buy my shares * my sale price of $500 each
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
So Tax...we havent seen the graphic in a while. Have you updated it? There were action items following the 10k. The 10Q in Nov could hold some goodies for the longs. Can we see it again?
Posted by luvforever on :
That's exactly what Rufas wants...duh!!!!!!!Hold em strong and long! Listen why get scared it always gets you in trouble...If you do your own dd you will know what you have if you are listening to someone else you won't hold when it gets scary....Do your dd and ask questions...but most will tell you to read and read...there's your answer.....
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:If you get back in immediately tomorrow.. you will still do very well. It hurt today watching the tank.... many people did sell, and the rest almost sold.
I don't know. A panic buy will probably turn out just as bad for me as a panic sell.
I WAS on "The List" though. Would that help me at all if I bought back in.
Jo
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by atthebank:
quote:Originally posted by dlab: Where are the shorts going to get there shares? No one will sell and loose their divys.
They can buy my shares * my sale price of $500 each
Why don't we all set our sell price * $500?!?!
Posted by CRab on :
I can't find a rule stating that the declaration date can't be on the ex-divi date...
Even on the SEC site below it says "usually" two days before payment...but it doesn't say it can't be on the declaration day...just as long as it's before payment to get the shareholders list together...
Darn it anyways... I'm upset, the peeps who sold...why? I thought you knew what you had? I thought this board helped everyone to find the info? What swayed those to sell? I am sorry, But there is still more to come with this it is not done...so what, you missed one, you can get the next one it wil be here, don't miss it again. GLTA Posted by frank021474 on :
Someone post that Ace Ventura gif from awhile back- doing the shorty dance.
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: That's exactly what Rufas wants...duh!!!!!!!Hold em strong and long! Listen why get scared it always gets you in trouble...If you do your own dd you will know what you have if you are listening to someone else you won't hold when it gets scary....Do your dd and ask questions...but most will tell you to read and read...there's your answer.....
The DD on this stock should have made all of hold to see how this really plays out!
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: (2) In respect to cash dividends or distributions, stock dividends and/or splits, and the distribution of warrants, which are 25% or greater of the value of the subject security, the ex-dividend date shall be the first business day following the payable date.
I am not sure on this one then. The definition of the Ex-Date means without dividend. Before the Ex-Date is with divy and on the Ex-Date is WITHOUT divy. I just know from playing many divy's that the Ex-Date is the only date that really matters. Don't know how the Ex-Date being one day after the Pay Day works. Either way you should still be able to buy and get the divy through this week and most of next.
Posted by thesource on :
I'm not a greedy man , they can have all of mine for the low low price of $250.00 a share !
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote: Do your dd and ask questions...but most will tell you to read and read...there's your answer.....
Well, I did read. I read the 10-K that came out this afternoon which clearly said the merger consideration was going to be for those shareholders as of October 30th. I sold my shares so that I could digest the rest of the 10-K overnight, planning to get back after the dust had settled.
You guys were listening to radio songs earlier....I'm now listening to Cher's "If I could Turn Back Time"
Jo
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by atthebank:
quote:Originally posted by dlab: Where are the shorts going to get there shares? No one will sell and loose their divys.
They can buy my shares * my sale price of $500 each
Why don't we all set our sell price * $500?!?!
probably 'cause I'm selling cheap, Jenna
Posted by Doniboy on :
Jo buddy, I feel for ya. Actually I feel for myself too. If I had kept my shares from FHAL I would have 10 times as many shares. Oh well, live and learn.
Posted by luvforever on :
Jo, I really believe there's still time to make some $'s. Unless the halt is tomorrow I can't see why you can't get back in if you want. So you missed one part I believe there is sooo much more from dding the heck outa this ..... glty Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
quote: Do your dd and ask questions...but most will tell you to read and read...there's your answer.....
Well, I did read. I read the 10-K that came out this afternoon which clearly said the merger consideration was going to be for those shareholders as of October 30th. I sold my shares so that I could digest the rest of the 10-K overnight, planning to get back after the dust had settled.
You guys were listening to radio songs earlier....I'm now listening to Cher's "If I could Turn Back Time"
Jo
Do what you want Jo but I am not convinced that you "missed the boat".
Posted by Jenna on :
Jo- Simon's talking about who qualifies for the divi.........
Posted by Doniboy on :
Jenna please post what he says. Thanks Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Jo- Simon's talking about who qualifies for the divi.........
From the way he states it sounds like you would have had to be in by last wed. for settled shares today.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by atthebank:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by atthebank:
quote:Originally posted by dlab: Where are the shorts going to get there shares? No one will sell and loose their divys.
They can buy my shares * my sale price of $500 each
Why don't we all set our sell price * $500?!?!
probably 'cause I'm selling cheap, Jenna
I LOVE IT!!!!!!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
He is saying that your shares needed to be "settled" as of today...
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Jenna please post what he says. Thanks
Posted by Jenna on :
He said you would have to have been settled by last WED!
Posted by wallymac on :
Jo,
I'm not usre about how this will be handled but to be a share holder of record means that a person would have had to buy the shares last Wenesday to be an offical shareholder of record today, which could possible mean that you lucked out and will get the distribution. There is something called trading with due bills but I'm not sure how that would be handled here. Who knows. This is different than anything before so hope reigns eternal.
GLTA Wally
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
does he explain his logic in that statement?
Posted by Doniboy on :
If I don't get the Divi after buying today, you can be sure that my lawyer will get involved.
Posted by CRab on :
This is from that link I posted earlier...
I'm just not following that highlighted sentence...it doesn't make sense?
Oh...and pay special attention to that second paragraph...if I'm reading it right...you can really screw yourself here if you sell before the divi date...
quote: Sometimes a company pays a dividend in the form of stock rather than cash. The stock dividend may be additional shares in the company or in a subsidiary being spun off. The procedures for stock dividends may be different from cash dividends. The ex-dividend date is set the first business day after the stock dividend is paid (and is also after the record date).
If you sell your stock before the ex-dividend date, you also are selling away your right to the stock dividend. Your sale includes an obligation to deliver any shares acquired as a result of the dividend to the buyer of your shares, since the seller will receive an I.O.U. or "due bill" from his or her broker for the additional shares. Thus, it is important to remember that the day you can sell your shares without being obligated to deliver the additional shares is not the first business day after the record date, but usually is the first business day after the stock dividend is paid.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Chart, I understand the math that you are doing but the one thing you are not factoring in is that the price will adjust to the new share structure. If we are trading at $3 and have 5 times more shares available the market will Immediately adjust. Just as when you receive a cash dividend the PPS is adjusted by the amount of the dividend. So it would immediately be reduced by the same amount. If institutional investors won't be buying until the PPS reaches $5, we are further away from that goal.
THe premise you are using is the same premise as a Reverse Split. You end up with less shares but the same amount of money. Reverse and Forward splits are fine when they are used to accomplish goals. For instance a stock is trading so high that it limits the amount of investor that participate. The idea is to do a forward split reducing the PPS and making it affordable to a larger segment of investors. In this case we need to raise the PPS for NASDAQ and to attract the institutions to invest. This accomplishes neither of those goals.
Also in order to accomplish this split/dividend, at this time the Authorized Shares need to be increased. There are not enough shares available to accomplish this right now.
Ok so why did this end up happening? MY SPECULATION is that it has to do with NASD and the MM's. In order to get to NASDAQ, CSHD needs MM's to underwrite it. Well as long as they are squeezing them how are they supposed to get them to cooperate. It's because of NASD that there is a 10 day delay because it most be posted before a Dividend or Forward Split takes place. I believe that Rufus, Sabra etal believed that they were going to reset immediately after the 10K today but didn't get the approval to do so. The 10K had to be filed and the only alternative was to throw in the Forward Split/Dividend. Remember that Wall Street maybe be gucci and Armani suits but it's also a JUNGLE.
GLTA Wally
WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hey I am first now back at my computer catching up....
What I posted WAS NOT MY VIEWS!!!!!!
========THEY WERE FROM OTHER BOARDS============
I did that so we all could see how most people were taking this, and so we all could mull all the things I put out there...
again. NOT MY VIEWS
Just helping the brianstorming...
ok, now I have to go back 10 pages.... sigh ~
oh well Posted by luvforever on :
If I am correct ...like simon said it has to be on record and buys today won't be, and sells you get what you had I do believe minus 1 cause you sold so maybe jo you might have lucked out.. Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: He said you would have to have been settled by last WED!
Sorry - I don't belive that!
Posted by Jenna on :
Jo- I think you're ok....
Posted by JHenry on :
I guess we will have to wait and see - this is a whole new animal. I will be surprised if they don't have to file for the divy though.
Posted by Jenna on :
Jo, maybe you can email or call Mitch tomorrow and find out... does anyone still have Mitch's email addrerss?
Posted by dog on :
My money is he starts the dividend with the shares settled as of Wednesday and clears what was bought today.
It all matters how it is worded in the future docs.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
I guess I need to write a Dear Rufus (or Dear Mitch) letter and see if they'll clarify.
Jo
Posted by CRab on :
Did anyone read what I posted above? Seems to be a pretty reliable source I quoted, lol...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: He said you would have to have been settled by last WED!
Sorry - I don't belive that!
bought by last wed. settled today!
Posted by luvforever on :
I told ya the gates were creeeaaking this morning!!!! LOL This is just tooo good to be true it is stupid Posted by Doniboy on :
I bought today. I had better get the damn divy....
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: If I am correct ...like simon said it has to be on record and buys today won't be, and sells you get what you had I do believe minus 1 cause you sold so maybe jo you might have lucked out..
i'm not listening to simon...
BUT? i can tell you that he is wrong...
if i or you bought shares today?
i or you am/are the OWNER today...
this settelment thing is BS...
i've bene thru it several times... just call the broker and tell them, they'll get your shares...
the shares may be delivered to the incorrect place? but they are owed to the buyer...
this paly is unique, but the PR says clearly that if you owned them at CLOSE today the new shares are yours:
"The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006.
when you buy? you OWN...
Posted by Chad on :
as I read the PR, whatever shares you own at end of today, you get 6 more shares for each 1.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by JHenry:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: He said you would have to have been settled by last WED!
Sorry - I don't belive that!
bought by last wed. settled today!
Guys, that came from Simon's mouth, not Rufus' so who knows!
Posted by frank021474 on :
It says "Shareholder of record" at EOD today. So if that translates into anyone who buys today (But isnt settled yet) then you are good to go.
Posted by Doniboy on :
So you think I shou;d call Scottrade glassman and explain my situation?
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: as I read the PR, whatever shares you own at end of today, you get 6 more shares for each 1.
But do you need to hold them all until the 30th to get them all?
Posted by luvforever on :
Yes and when you send a check to your broker does it not have to clear? Wouldn't it be the same way if you bought today? Just a silly q? I am sure some of you smart peeps have an answer. Though I never sold..so I git the divy and am just trying to help those who are looking for answers... it gets better and better
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: It says "Shareholder of record" at EOD today. So if that translates into anyone who buys today (But isnt settled yet) then you are good to go.
I believe that - and unless I hear otherwise I can buy tomorrow and get the divy as well.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: So you think I shou;d call Scottrade glassman and explain my situation?
Doni, email Mitch or better yet call Mitch.
Posted by NEL on :
Do you think we will make the Wall Street Journal with this craziness... hoping to have that info to show my hubby before he falls over (still keeping this a secret until all of the details are settled!)
Posted by Doniboy on :
as far as I am concerned the document said as of today. Those shares are mine and my name is on the NOBO list from before. I get my divy....
Posted by Chad on :
i convinced by latest PR, if you bought today, you own today, youget the extra shares.
my question is on the 30th, are we resetting the price at $15 or is it to stay whatever price its at??
cause it'd seem odd to give us all these extra shares to equal a $15 dollar pirce and then reset at $15, that a multipiling it many times....Rufus would have to love his shareholders to do that.
Posted by luvforever on :
Yes Donni you should call if you want an answer for your q. I am sure they will tell you the truth ... I sure hope you get it...heck you've had enough to worry with your newborn ...where'd you find time to sell? glty
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: i convinced by latest PR, if you bought today, you own today, youget the extra shares.
my question is on the 30th, are we resetting the price at $15 or is it to stay whatever price its at??
cause it'd seem odd to give us all these extra shares to equal a $15 dollar pirce and then reset at $15, that a multipiling it many times....Rufus would have to love his shareholders to do that.
I think he is hoping the price will inflate itself up to or close to $15 by that time? Anyone else?
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: i convinced by latest PR, if you bought today, you own today, youget the extra shares.
my question is on the 30th, are we resetting the price at $15 or is it to stay whatever price its at??
cause it'd seem odd to give us all these extra shares to equal a $15 dollar pirce and then reset at $15, that a multipiling it many times....Rufus would have to love his shareholders to do that.
Says 15.00 per share equivelent to EOD 10/16 which was 1.80- from that they put the formula to work and we get 6x divi. I think its regardless of current PPS on 10/30 but I can easily be wrong Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: So you think I shou;d call Scottrade glassman and explain my situation?
i think it is best to POLITELY alert them of the situation right away so they can act apropriately when they get the shares from the transfer agent...
sometimes in cases like this? people get shares they are supposed to forward because of sttlement issues? and they sell them instead of forwarding them? guess what? they are SHORT...
the brokers know this..
Posted by Doniboy on :
I sold above $3.00 and was looking for a bottom. I thought I found it this morning so I jumped back in.
anyone have Mitch's e-mail?
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by Chad: as I read the PR, whatever shares you own at end of today, you get 6 more shares for each 1.
But do you need to hold them all until the 30th to get them all?
I would recommend that you DO NOT SELL until you have the divy! You could very well be selling your shares with the divy attached.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Jo,
I'm not usre about how this will be handled but to be a share holder of record means that a person would have had to buy the shares last Wenesday to be an offical shareholder of record today, which could possible mean that you lucked out and will get the distribution. There is something called trading with due bills but I'm not sure how that would be handled here. Who knows. This is different than anything before so hope reigns eternal.
GLTA Wally
I highly doubt they can legally "back-date" a dividend issue.
For one, divvies are supposed to be filed with NASD/NASDAQ, which then causes same to be posted on OTCBB's dailylist.
In other words, I don't think you can have a "secret" divvy.
If this is coming down as an f/s, it will have to be filed...if it's common stock? it *should* have an ex-date: restricted shares and cash divvies have slightly different regsm wherein the T+3 does come into play...
Now...that being said, GVRP/MAMG has been mentioned before...that company was able to pull off what was essentially an illegal reverse split, which has been never filed or posted. It was apparently a "back-channel" agreement through NASD legal and an attorney in New York, and by brokers acting off company PRs and TA instructions. However, the company never traded out on open market again, either; months passed and they shuffled assets off to yet another company...
Posted by luvforever on :
Donni, I think you get them they are on hold that's all...like a check waiting for them to be cleared! But you should get em! Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry:
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by Chad: as I read the PR, whatever shares you own at end of today, you get 6 more shares for each 1.
But do you need to hold them all until the 30th to get them all?
I would recommend that you DO NOT SELL until you have the divy! You could very well be selling your shares with the divy attached.
I plan on holding them all but if this thing goes crazy say up to $50 etc. I may sell a few early, probably not!!!
Posted by frank021474 on :
Holding everyone to 10/30 for Divy is definately the fuel for the ultimate short squeeze.
Posted by NEL on :
Now that all of our names are posted on the CSHD web site, I hope we don't get any crazy solicitations based on our hopefully new found wealth.
Posted by wallymac on :
Hey Chart, sorry for the misunderstanding so just figure my post as a comment on what was posted and not for you personally.
GLTA Wally
Posted by luvforever on :
Sepiniak # is 770-420-8270 he can help too
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry:
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by Chad: as I read the PR, whatever shares you own at end of today, you get 6 more shares for each 1.
But do you need to hold them all until the 30th to get them all?
I would recommend that you DO NOT SELL until you have the divy! You could very well be selling your shares with the divy attached.
this is also true...
some of us went thru this with another stock last year...
i hate to EVER tell people to hold, but there is a chance the shares would go forward...
talk to your broker and get the answers in writing if you are thinking of selling before the 30th...
Posted by CRab on :
this will answer some questions...and raise some more...just wanna make sure everyone sees this...
quote:Originally posted by CRab: This is from that link I posted earlier...
I'm just not following that highlighted sentence...it doesn't make sense?
Oh...and pay special attention to that second paragraph...if I'm reading it right...you can really screw yourself here if you sell before the divi date...
quote: Sometimes a company pays a dividend in the form of stock rather than cash. The stock dividend may be additional shares in the company or in a subsidiary being spun off. The procedures for stock dividends may be different from cash dividends. The ex-dividend date is set the first business day after the stock dividend is paid (and is also after the record date).
If you sell your stock before the ex-dividend date, you also are selling away your right to the stock dividend. Your sale includes an obligation to deliver any shares acquired as a result of the dividend to the buyer of your shares, since the seller will receive an I.O.U. or "due bill" from his or her broker for the additional shares. Thus, it is important to remember that the day you can sell your shares without being obligated to deliver the additional shares is not the first business day after the record date, but usually is the first business day after the stock dividend is paid.
Posted by Chad on :
ok, it said we get the 6 shares on the 30th. So those 6 shares will be worth whatever price their at that day.
thus, you wont get 6 more shares per share now at this price of 1.80.
my guess is they pump it up to close to $15 by end of week, so they are basically giving you free shares, but at current price and not also giving a % gain to boot. any thoughts?
Posted by glassman on :
Thus, it is important to remember that the day you can sell your shares without being obligated to deliver the additional shares is not the first business day after the record date, but usually is the first business day after the stock dividend is paid.
that's why i say talk to your broker and get it in writing...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: If I am correct ...like simon said it has to be on record and buys today won't be, and sells you get what you had I do believe minus 1 cause you sold so maybe jo you might have lucked out..
i'm not listening to simon...
BUT? i can tell you that he is wrong...
if i or you bought shares today?
i or you am/are the OWNER today...
this settelment thing is BS...
i've bene thru it several times... just call the broker and tell them, they'll get your shares...
the shares may be delivered to the incorrect place? but they are owed to the buyer...
this paly is unique, but the PR says clearly that if you owned them at CLOSE today the new shares are yours:
"The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006.
when you buy? you OWN...
agree & disagree...
yup, we been through it--and seen PR's "rule" over regs--but to keep trading the company will have needed to file properly. In other words, we've also seen hundreds of companies screw up PRs on divvy plays...
am not up to speed here, but if this is turning out to be a "traditional" div play? Needs to be filed...
Posted by NEL on :
Chad If you currently have 1,000 shares you get 6,000 FREE ones for a total of 7,000 shares no matter what the pps is on the 30th.
Posted by Chad on :
correction, I meant by the 30th, not end of week is latest post.
Posted by Doniboy on :
I sent Scottrade an e-mail asking about my situation. Anyone have Mitch's e-mail?
Posted by wallymac on :
Yes be very careful if due bills are attached. In essence you would be trading away your rights to the 6 additional shares. As before we need more information.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Chad on :
true NEL, but arent they resetting price on the 30th or no they arent??
Posted by NEL on :
With these free shares the price would need to drop down to .27 for me to actually lose any money!!! Not likely.
Posted by CRab on :
the divi resets the price Chad...
Have you actually read the PR this evening? It states that with all of the assets...some 7.2 billion...the book value is 71.00
Divide that by the multiplier for the divi and you get around a 11.00 book value...stocks usually trade at twice that value...so essentially the stock was just reset anywhere from 11.00 to 2 or 3 times that...
Posted by Bittermac on :
I think Wally posted this earlier. Basically, he said we need to quit thinking like this is a little company. Rufus is playing this like a massive company, and making decisions likewise. If we make our decisions like it is still a penny stock, we're lost.
As for those who sold? Why not stay long? Who can say, it is a personal belief. One person looks at it and is fine, someone else sees the same thing and it scares the hell out of them. I am thankful beyond belief that my shares haven't moved since they were bought.
The windfall for all of us is there, just as Rufus always promised. The
Stay long! Stay strong!
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Chad: true NEL, but arent they resetting price on the 30th or no they arent??
No, the divi resets the price, now it is all up to the market and shorters and people who want in on this.
Posted by atthebank on :
You should'nt see any red tommorrow all green, fry shorties, fry
Posted by Jo4321 on :
This I used to have them change the spelling of my name on the shareholder's list.
I never got a reply though, and they never changed my name.
mitch*cshd.us
Jo
Posted by Chad on :
ok, right CRAB, just re-read. So basically, the price can go anywhere from here to the 30th.
Guess question is, do ya think it goes up or down and why?
Posted by wallymac on :
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).
A 10-KSB/A was filed and accepted at 6:50PM and will show up on the Edgar System first thing tomorrow morning.
'The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78,' stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.
THis is what is written. No mention of Dividend or Forward split. THey are saying reset the share value. Could be a difference don't know because this is a new one on me.
GLTA Wally
Posted by NEL on :
And a move to Nasdq to let this company shine!!!
Posted by shomethamoney on :
Man there are so many bashers on the other pages, I am hanging right hear until the first of next year. I have gotten out of good stocks before that rocketed. BSIT - people bashed RSHN at .0005 yes .0005 and people bashed PAIM .0001 people bashed LFWK .002 people bashed now SLJB it went up over .10 and I had 135,000 shares. When bashers are out its time to stay in the house and hold em tight because the main thing is the assets this company has and the amount of money and people behind them. Better to not read than to read get nervous, sell, and kick yourself later for listening to mindless dribble from people who work at TACO BELL on 2nd Shift and try to get rich quick during the day. That is why they are still working at TACO BELL.
Posted by NEL on :
The 30th is just the date (on or around) that you should expect to receive the additional shares.
Posted by tompom on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: I bought today. I had better get the damn divy....
same here i also bought today i want that divy too
Posted by a surfer on :
A 10-KSB/A was filed and accepted at 6:50PM and will show up on the Edgar System first thing tomorrow morning.
So we have a 10-ksb/a coming out in the morning??
Posted by CRab on :
Yep...
Posted by Chad on :
all holders from today and beyond are in great shape. we're getting free shares that would make it equivelant to $15.
now, will this hit $15?? who knows, but with the possible PR's and maybe move to NASDAQ, it could easily.
thus, I think buying at $3 or under is still a good buy. This should over time be much higher.
Posted by shomethamoney on :
Too much money involved with this company to stay down. Look at the assets and the investors already. The owner just like other pink sheet companies is trying to make things happen. He is giving goodies to the shareholders. Don't listen to others on how to trade. Do your own DD carefully look at the company, assets, and investors and make wise choices. Joe Million did, Ohio Trader did, two men that I very much respect and wish they were still around. There are others but these guys helped me tremendously. There words are just what I told you.
Posted by a surfer on :
man this is getting good.. Who knows a publisher
Posted by tompom on :
so does the settlement rule apply here or not?? confusing...
Posted by Jenna on :
************************************************ One of our theme songs for the night: ************************************************
The "RUF", The "RUF" The "Rufus" on fire,
We don't need no water, Let Shortie Burn,
Burn Shortie, Burn! Buuuuuurn!
*************************************************
Posted by luvforever on :
Figure it will go up cause who is gonna sell before the 30th and lose your divy? If you sell you will give up rights? Is that how the shorts must cover?? Hmmm to bring this over 15? LOL
Posted by Jo4321 on :
What's Rufus's email?
Jo
Posted by Doniboy on :
I'm writing a screenplay (not kidding)
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: man this is getting good.. Who knows a publisher
Posted by Chad on :
well, goodnight all...Im not listening to anyone saying those that bought today wont get extra shares, thats ludicrous.
u bought today, u own today....regardless of if money was settled or cleared or whatever.
Thanx rufus for PR varification!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by tompom: so does the settlement rule apply here or not?? confusing...
I don't think so. Because it says if you owned shares as of the close today you will get the rest shares. It didn't say shareholder of record.
Still more clarification needed.
GLTA Wally
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: I'm writing a screenplay (not kidding)
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: man this is getting good.. Who knows a publisher
Awesome, I'll play me... the silent one who stand by in the corner!
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: this will answer some questions...and raise some more...just wanna make sure everyone sees this...
quote:Originally posted by CRab: This is from that link I posted earlier...
I'm just not following that highlighted sentence...it doesn't make sense?
Oh...and pay special attention to that second paragraph...if I'm reading it right...you can really screw yourself here if you sell before the divi date...
quote: Sometimes a company pays a dividend in the form of stock rather than cash. The stock dividend may be additional shares in the company or in a subsidiary being spun off. The procedures for stock dividends may be different from cash dividends. The ex-dividend date is set the first business day after the stock dividend is paid (and is also after the record date).
If you sell your stock before the ex-dividend date, you also are selling away your right to the stock dividend. Your sale includes an obligation to deliver any shares acquired as a result of the dividend to the buyer of your shares, since the seller will receive an I.O.U. or "due bill" from his or her broker for the additional shares. Thus, it is important to remember that the day you can sell your shares without being obligated to deliver the additional shares is not the first business day after the record date, but usually is the first business day after the stock dividend is paid.
Mentioning the ex-divi date: On the profitspi site they have the dates recorded as:
Ex-Dividend Date 9/21/2006 Dividend Date 10/13/2006
Not that I believe those dates are accurate- just trying to decipher them.
http://www.p rofitspi.com/stock-quote/cshd.aspx
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL:
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: I'm writing a screenplay (not kidding)
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: man this is getting good.. Who knows a publisher
Awesome, I'll play me... the silent one who stand by in the corner!
Doni- I'll play Jenna. Posted by Chad on :
true, noone that owns it is going to sell it, regardless if this thing tanked under a 1.00. So I think no choice but to raise price, but whos knows. lol
Would be nice pickup if anyone has available funds. bet its an easy double by end of month.
Posted by NEL on :
So are these capital gains or dividends for tax purposes?
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: ************************************************ One of our theme songs for the night: ************************************************
The "RUF", The "RUF" The "Rufus" on fire,
We don't need no water, Let Shortie Burn,
Burn Shortie, Burn! Buuuuuurn!
burn shortie burn, give me my $$$$ *************************************************
Posted by 10of13 on :
Guys...I have been chatting with a gal that use to post here on this board... Her name is Jelly...she taght me most everything I know...and I owe her alot! Thanks Jelly... But in anycase...she wanted me to relay a message to all of you..she asked that I tell you guys that... "This is not a "live and learn" stock...this is a once in a life time deal." She is a great trader and a very caring person and she wants all of us to remember that this opp will not come around again and don't think that the next play that makes these claims will come true...it's a once in a life time opportunity, good luck and congrats to all those that held! she also says "hello" to all!
And Jelly...thanks again for all that you taught me!!! Love ya girlfriend!!! Posted by Jenna on :
Good to know 10........
Posted by tompom on :
damn i hope this settlement issue will be clear by tomorrow....
Posted by frank021474 on :
k- Good night all. Enough refreshing and reading for the evening.
Good luck to everyone tomorrow and look forward to catching up before the bell.
-fw
Posted by Jenna on :
Just noticed- this is how Rufus is wording this:
"Reset shares"
Not DIvi- not splits - so maybe has different rules?
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: this will answer some questions...and raise some more...just wanna make sure everyone sees this...
quote:Originally posted by CRab: This is from that link I posted earlier...
I'm just not following that highlighted sentence...it doesn't make sense?
Oh...and pay special attention to that second paragraph...if I'm reading it right...you can really screw yourself here if you sell before the divi date...
quote: Sometimes a company pays a dividend in the form of stock rather than cash. The stock dividend may be additional shares in the company or in a subsidiary being spun off. The procedures for stock dividends may be different from cash dividends. The ex-dividend date is set the first business day after the stock dividend is paid (and is also after the record date).
If you sell your stock before the ex-dividend date, you also are selling away your right to the stock dividend. Your sale includes an obligation to deliver any shares acquired as a result of the dividend to the buyer of your shares, since the seller will receive an I.O.U. or "due bill" from his or her broker for the additional shares. Thus, it is important to remember that the day you can sell your shares without being obligated to deliver the additional shares is not the first business day after the record date, but usually is the first business day after the stock dividend is paid.
Mentioning the ex-divi date: On the profitspi site they have the dates recorded as:
Ex-Dividend Date 9/21/2006 Dividend Date 10/13/2006
Not that I believe those dates are accurate- just trying to decipher them.
nah...I remember the IPRE guys contending they could they use that site in lieu of OTCBB.com...but just look at it: if the ex-date 9/21? last day to buy was 9/20....
If that's true? the PR's horribly off-base...
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Guys...I have been chatting with a gal that use to post here on this board... Her name is Jelly...she taght me most everything I know...and I owe her alot! Thanks Jelly... But in anycase...she wanted me to relay a message to all of you..she asked that I tell you guys that... "This is not a "live and learn" stock...this is a once in a life time deal." She is a great trader and a very caring person and she wants all of us to remember that this opp will not come around again and don't think that the next play that makes these claims will come true...it's a once in a life time opportunity, good luck and congrats to all those that held! she also says "hello" to all!
And Jelly...thanks again for all that you taught me!!! Love ya girlfriend!!!
I've heard about her before, howcome she doesnt post here anymore?
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Sorry Doni, looks like someone else is already writing a screenplay, complete with cast of characters.
goodnight all geez, what a story!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Simon is calling Rufus...
Posted by wallymac on :
Simon is now calling Rufus
Posted by Jenna on :
Holy Sh*t , Simon is calling Rufus right now!!!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Just noticed- this is how Rufus is wording this:
"Reset shares"
Not DIvi- not splits - so maybe has different rules?
hmmm, could be...don't know of anyone who's expert on these 368 dealies...if indeed this is possible--that is, issue a divvy outside of orthodox procedure--it would reflect the apparently overlooked aspects of the "368-play."
Very, very hard to believe...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Simon is calling Rufus...
Second time today we posted at the same time. You beat me both times.
Rats.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Ringing......
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus on!!!!!!!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
Doesn't Our-Street own this site too?
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Sorry Doni, looks like someone else is already writing a screenplay, complete with cast of characters.
Rufus said if you sold today you got caught with your pants down.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Well if we are keeping score... I would say this is looking pretty good right about now.
Posted by glassman on :
nah...I remember the IPRE guys contending they could they use that site in lieu of OTCBB.com...but just look at it: if the ex-date 9/21? last day to buy was 9/20....
If that's true? the PR's horribly off-base
that postpri was not a reliable posting... they have a bunch of stocks showing the same date... it's worng...
as far as settlement? i still say that when you buy? you are the owner...
contact your broker and notify them of the situation...
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Ringing......
keep posting , I'm having difficulties getting SPR
Posted by Jenna on :
"If U sold you got caught with your pants down!"
Posted by Jenna on :
"A threshhold reset"
Posted by 10of13 on :
It's the age thing...maumee has nothing to do with it...
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Simon is calling Rufus...
Second time today we posted at the same time. You beat me both times.
Rats.
GLTA Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
Rufus just said that it was a Threshold price reset.
Posted by Jenna on :
refering to the shorts:
"There game just got alittle serious" "Bring it on!"
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Guys...I have been chatting with a gal that use to post here on this board... Her name is Jelly...she taght me most everything I know...and I owe her alot! Thanks Jelly... But in anycase...she wanted me to relay a message to all of you..she asked that I tell you guys that... "This is not a "live and learn" stock...this is a once in a life time deal." She is a great trader and a very caring person and she wants all of us to remember that this opp will not come around again and don't think that the next play that makes these claims will come true...it's a once in a life time opportunity, good luck and congrats to all those that held! she also says "hello" to all!
And Jelly...thanks again for all that you taught me!!! Love ya girlfriend!!!
lol, Jelly *is* a great trader...but if she's in a position to proclaim ANYTHING authoritatively about THIS one? then she was sandbagging while here and at other boards I've been familiar with...
She was great at swooping in on good, quick plays...never saw any her demonstrate anything that would qualify her to pronounce on expertise with rules & regs, though...
Posted by Jenna on :
He siad
If they want to short more let them for every 1 they've shorted they got 6 more, if they want it to have to pay back 10 let'em
Posted by wallymac on :
RUfus:
Institutional buying will kick in as the price rises. If they want to short it let them. It's 6 right now if they want to make it worse on themselves let them do it.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
What I don't get is he keeps talking about the shorters. But his little "typo" didn't just hurt the shorts. He could have released that incorrect PR after hours and I'd still be sitting pretty. And shorts would still be screwed.
I just don't get it.
Jo
Posted by Jenna on :
"If they want to keep shortin' we'll keep callin' for certs!!!"
Posted by wallymac on :
It was checkmate with the 10K today
Posted by Jenna on :
"Today was checkmate!"
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote: It was checkmate with the 10K today
Ah, now I get it. I was just a pawn.
Posted by Jenna on :
"Created a liquid market for the true shareholders"
Posted by wallymac on :
Rufus:
regarding dilution. Said he created a liquid market. People can now sell shares and still have shares left over. said it just helped the sitution and forced the short to cover.
Posted by Jenna on :
Do you guys want me to keep telling you what's goin' on?
Posted by Jo4321 on :
YES! The room is full.
Posted by wallymac on :
Everything has been a strategic move for the shareholders.
Posted by Jenna on :
"Everythings been a stargegic move for the shareholders"
Posted by Jenna on :
"He said JJseabrook made a dumb statment calling it a split"
Posted by Jenna on :
I meant calling it a dilution not split sorry
Posted by Jenna on :
"We have 15 Billion we have contracted."
Posted by NEL on :
yessssss
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Do you guys want me to keep telling you what's goin' on?
lol, Jenna...nobody KNOWS what's going on... Posted by Jenna on :
"Getting several hundred million in interest!"
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Can someone ask if people buy tommorrow, do they qualify for the "dividend" based on the first 10-K
Posted by wallymac on :
They have 15 Billion total that can be booked which is available right now. It's not an overnight deal. we have been working on this for a long time.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
What Rufus said it is NOT dilution? No...
Posted by Jenna on :
Right- NOT DILUTION!!!
Jo- I don't know how to do that.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Can someone ask if people buy tommorrow, do they qualify for the "dividend" based on the first 10-K
It's not a dividend. The shares are the reset. So it was for those holding at the close of business today.
Posted by Jenna on :
"You're not going to see me much longer. It's time to get a pretty face in here."
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "He said JJseabrook made a dumb statment calling it a split"
well, that's the 64, eh?
If it's not a split? What the heck is it?
Posted by Jenna on :
"Reset Shares"
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
Are they gonna name a big time name CEO?
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "You're not going to see me much longer. It's time to get a pretty face in here."
What, where is he going and why? Can't he feel the love...
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote: It's not a dividend. The shares are the reset. So it was for those holding at the close of business today.
ARRRGGGHH!!! Where's repo with that noose he had earlier?
Jo
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: What Rufus said it is NOT dilution? No...
Because they have added value it takes care of the potential dilution. In most case the value is not increased so the PPS will be lower. This not being a dividend or forward split is the difference. No record dates or Ex dates none of that, according to Rufus
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
Where the heck is he going? Rufus is saying his job is done.....or somethin'
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer: Are they gonna name a big time name CEO?
He said that everyone should watch for the names of the people they are hiring
Posted by Jenna on :
"I've given them every opportunity"
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Awsome he was the deal maker!! This is absolutely beautiful. Like a sun rising over the horizon. Tut has his pheonix.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "Reset Shares"
ya...which means? *what* exactly...
as far as I know? the 368-dealie is an IRS clause...have we found any SEC/NASD regs with the language "reset shares" ?
Posted by wallymac on :
He just said. If they want to short it, bring it on. We'll hit them with something else
Posted by Doniboy on :
So if we bought today then all is well right? Right?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "Reset Shares"
ya...which means? *what* exactly...
as far as I know? the 368-dealie is an IRS clause...have we found any SEC/NASD regs with the language "reset shares" ?
It has to do with reverse mergers
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: So if we bought today then all is well right? Right?
Yes, per Rufus
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "Reset Shares"
ya...which means? *what* exactly...
as far as I know? the 368-dealie is an IRS clause...have we found any SEC/NASD regs with the language "reset shares" ?
It has to do with reverse mergers
really? any links in thread? you got any?
Posted by Jenna on :
Yes DOni
Posted by Doniboy on :
reset pricing. The purchase price of the common stock or the conversion price of a convertible security is set either (i) at closing or (ii) on a specified date after closing and is subject to adjustment (downward or upward) based on various criteria that can include fundamental performance (operational reset), a specified event (event-driven reset), or the stock price of the issuer at a given point in time after closing (threshold price reset).
With validity given by a well-respected name, 7x our shares (locked up tight), increased book val with 10Q....things could be quite beautiful.
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex- I'm just relaying what Rufus is saying right now on the radio.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
I wonder if these "reset shares" have to go through a TA and all. Hope it's not like PAVC. I've been waiting for "round-up shares" (I know, not the same thing, but still) for about two months.
Jo
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Yes DOni
wooo hooo! We are all happy you are still in!!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
Thank you Jenna you made my night Posted by Jo4321 on :
Good for you, Doniboy!
Jo
Posted by Vin on :
Would someone give me a scenario where someone "would" sell tomorrow...other than being uninformed. It seems to me that everyone who has shares today are in. Volume should be zero tomorrow.
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: I wonder if these "reset shares" have to go through a TA and all. Hope it's not like PAVC. I've been waiting for "round-up shares" (I know, not the same thing, but still) for about two months.
Jo
Hope we don't have to wait forever as well... still waiting on my extra PAVC as well
Posted by Jenna on :
Q: Has M Alexander evr been to the Amazon or Brazil?
A: "Never asked him"
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: What Rufus said it is NOT dilution? No...
Because they have added value it takes care of the potential dilution. In most case the value is not increased so the PPS will be lower. This not being a dividend or forward split is the difference. No record dates or Ex dates none of that, according to Rufus
GLTA Wally
Well I guess we have our picture now huh?
No hard feelings Wally, I like it that we were both a little right (Our disagreement was definitely before clarity and you definitely called the wait till we have more info.) I have always respected your opinion on here but I could not and still don't see this as dilution. Nice to hear him say it, but you are right the O/S has increased.
Posted by wallymac on :
up to date on all the reporting. Now asking about Mike Alexander. Why was he the one to get the Amazon deal, RUFUS: Right place at the right time. NASDAQ is in the plans. It's the ultimate goal.
Posted by Jenna on :
"The Big Show is always the plan" refering to Nasdaq
Posted by Doniboy on :
Let me post this one more time since it seems to apply so much..
reset pricing. The purchase price of the common stock or the conversion price of a convertible security is set either (i) at closing or (ii) on a specified date after closing and is subject to adjustment (downward or upward) based on various criteria that can include fundamental performance (operational reset), a specified event (event-driven reset), or the stock price of the issuer at a given point in time after closing (threshold price reset).
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: reset pricing. The purchase price of the common stock or the conversion price of a convertible security is set either (i) at closing or (ii) on a specified date after closing and is subject to adjustment (downward or upward) based on various criteria that can include fundamental performance (operational reset), a specified event (event-driven reset), or the stock price of the issuer at a given point in time after closing (threshold price reset).
jenna--understood...thanks, also
Posted by Doniboy on :
Buytex, are you in on this one?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: What Rufus said it is NOT dilution? No...
Because they have added value it takes care of the potential dilution. In most case the value is not increased so the PPS will be lower. This not being a dividend or forward split is the difference. No record dates or Ex dates none of that, according to Rufus
GLTA Wally
Well I guess we have our picture now huh?
No hard feelings Wally, I like it that we were both a little right (Our disagreement was definitely before clarity and you definitely called the wait till we have more info.) I have always respected your opinion on here but I could not and still don't see this as dilution. Nice to hear him say it, but you are right the O/S has increased.
No problem. I thought it was a good discussion. THey way it should be to get to the center of things. One of the great things about this board. I also respect your views and past postings.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
"let 'em play. We"ll do it again, Let's dance. I think they'll get it..."
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: I wonder if these "reset shares" have to go through a TA and all. Hope it's not like PAVC. I've been waiting for "round-up shares" (I know, not the same thing, but still) for about two months.
Jo
the TA is the place they are created and issued from.. so yes, they would have to come frm there...
thanks for passing along the info from simons show ...
Posted by Jenna on :
"PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
Posted by Chartwalker on :
wow.... what a difference a couple hours brings!!!
Chart is STILL LONG AND STRONG!
Sold ZERO today!!!!! yeeeehaaaww ~
dog, surfer, EVERYONE congrad's!!!
Posted by wallymac on :
RUFUS:
A share issuance due to a reorganization through a merger. These are not dividend shares or forward splits. It's been filed since the original 8K merger agreement.
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
Thanks for posting us on SPR, as I am having trouble gettin on
Posted by Jenna on :
I edited my post but the original in atthe bank' squote is accurate
Posted by Neptunetrader94 on :
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Chad: by the equation, if this was at $15 on the 30th, divide by 15, equals 1, then minus the 15.....thats -14....doesnt make sense?
Read before you speak again.
I am reading old posts....If someone hasn't answered this already, the formula should be # shares you get = [(15/x) - 1]
Looks like they ain't so good at math....
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Would someone give me a scenario where someone "would" sell tomorrow...other than being uninformed. It seems to me that everyone who has shares today are in. Volume should be zero tomorrow.
Nevermind. I'm outta here. Good night.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
this needs to be IN WRITNG folks...
i cannot stress this enough.. i can't get into SPR eoither.. somebody needs to tell Rufus to PUT THIS IN A PR if it's true
"The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
i believe it, but everybody needs to see it in writing..
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: wow.... what a difference a couple hours brings!!!
Chart is STILL LONG AND STRONG!
Sold ZERO today!!!!! yeeeehaaaww ~
dog, surfer, EVERYONE congrad's!!!
Thank God I didn't react and sell. I knew I needed to understand things first, which is my way anyhow. Read digest think then act. THe big reason why I am not a momo trader. I take too long to react.
GLTA Wally
Posted by CRab on :
So...with this occuring...does this in any way force the shorts to cover? Moreso than the SHO "forces" shorts to cover?
Posted by Jenna on :
These shares will NOT be restricted If you sold today your out of luck, if you bought today you get the 6, no settlment waiting or anything
Posted by wallymac on :
It should but that is still to be determined.
GLTA Wally
Posted by CRab on :
The reason I ask is because with us waiting on this divi...the price would have to be astronomical for us to consider selling...obviously forcing them to increase the share price into the stratosphere...
Posted by trade2win on :
Someone please explain this if you care, say if i have 1000 shares before today and on Oct 30 i will get 6000 more so that makes is 7k shares. So 11.xx book value only makes sense if the pps rises to >= 11.x?. I know if it stays even where it is now we still make close to ~15k
Posted by Doniboy on :
I love you Jenna!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Buytex, are you in on this one?
no... as posted several times, missed the chances where I would've flipped. As you may remember, I was the one who mentioned the gap to fill back to .13 area... .15 - .18 was a great spot to buy...after that, have been several good ones...
However, my "long" position has been that if this works, there will be plenty more like it...
so flips would've been my deal...however, I follow all the "realy interesting" plays that I have time for...
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
OT: The cards are blowing it..bears tied it up
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I'm truly happy for you Wally, got a good head on your shoulders sir ~
I would say I can't wait till we get together for the next one, but this one is far from over!
Soooo, guess I'll see you and the board bright and early tomorrow morning
Night board!!! $leep $weet Chart ~
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: I love you Jenna!!!!!!!!!!
me too!
Posted by Jenna on :
THe 6 ONLY applies to what you had as of TODAY
& I love you too Doni
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Remember the PR where Rufus told folks to write to him if they sold due to S-t-o-c-k-lemon. I wonder if he's planning on coming through with that promise.
I haven't heard a thing about it and I sent my info. If anyone is on the radio, can you ask?
Thanks, Jo
Posted by thedoctor on :
Well...........I am finally back. I am glad to see that a lot of the confusion is cleared up. I think most of everyone is a lot happier. This day will be remembered for a long time. Congrats to all of you.
Posted by Jenna on :
"Go away for 2 weeks, play soccer, go fishin' do whatever, in 2 weeks your new shares will be there."
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by LincolnSqueezer: OT: The cards are blowing it..bears tied it up
good post...thx
Posted by Jenna on :
If you've never owned it still a good buy!! Anything under $22/ share is a good buy!
Posted by CRab on :
Is he saying anything about what this does to the short position? Anything concrete?
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by trade2win: Someone please explain this if you care, say if i have 1000 shares before today and on Oct 30 i will get 6000 more so that makes is 7k shares. So 11.xx book value only makes sense if the pps rises to >= 11.x?. I know if it stays even where it is now we still make close to ~15k
yup!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: THe 6 ONLY applies to what you had as of TODAY
& I love you too Doni
yeah but they told you the the 6 shares are attached...
somebody needs to get this clarified...
posted October 16, 2006 23:44
"PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
these are contradictory statements...
Posted by Jenna on :
He said they should start waking up because he'll still keep socking it to them- not in those exact words......... he did say"If they want to dance, we can dance!"
Posted by CRab on :
well...I guess since he's done all of this...I can take it on faith that he is going to dance if need be...
Posted by Doniboy on :
Wow, some guy on Ihub just called Rufus Hitler....LOL How angry do you have to be to make that comparison (or how ignorant of history)
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Originally Posted by tutankhamen Now you understand why I said. Today you are either with or without.
Posted by NEL on :
Darn hubby, he's looking over my shoulder wondering what is up with my posting sooo much. I told him about what we will see in 2 weeks.. he asks "Are we making any money?" He has NO clue. Guess who pays the bills in our house.
Posted by Jenna on :
Anything you owned at close of today has 6 shares attatched to it - he said if you sell these shares basically you will not get the 6
Posted by T e x on :
so...
what he/the co is saying is that they can in effect have an unposted, unfiled, forward-split without affecting the pps...
if true?
it's not a "price reset," but a share-count reset...
Posted by Doniboy on :
SHHHHHHHH...Nel's husband is watching...no one say anything incriminating until he's gone...
Posted by Jenna on :
Tex - yes I think it's because of the reverse merger.
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Would someone give me a scenario where someone "would" sell tomorrow...other than being uninformed. It seems to me that everyone who has shares today are in. Volume should be zero tomorrow.
Shorties better start buying
Posted by Jenna on :
"S4 sitting in the Python, everything comes at a certain time, You either trust me or you don't"
Posted by Jo4321 on :
So until the 30th when you all get your 6 shares per share, there will be no action on this stock. Who would sell it knowing what they know after the SECOND 10-k?
After the "reset shares" are actually issued then it's anyone's guess what will happen, but it would have to go pretty low for anyone to lose any money on this.
Jo
Posted by NEL on :
He's back in his office (6 ft. away with head phones on ) so I'm safe, I threw in some lingo about Naked Shorters and Free shares and he gave me the "Huh" look. Hard to believ he is the brilliant one in this household, well except for anything to do with math!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
[interesting!]
Originally Posted by bluediamonds CSHD: SHORT ELIMINATION, NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.
Could this be true?
FWIW
Originally Posted by ConCarne Not likely.
Shorts owe the dividend to the other side of the trade.
Since this went ex-dividend TODAY their accounts will be market as owing a huge 6 x $11.78 placeholder dividend for every share held short in their account.
DID YOU HEAR ME?
Everyone short just went capital negative in a huge way that's independent of share price.
NOTHING LIKE THIS HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE.
What a freakin' play!!!!
IMMEDIATELT EX-DIVY FOR $60+ which will be held over them until 10/30. Forced settlement.
Bankrupt.
Shorts just got wiped out. Retail and naked. Eliminated.
YOU DO NOT REALIZE HOW THIS WILL BE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE BROKERS BACKOFFICE SYSTEMS.
IMMEDIATE EX-DIVY WILL BANKRUPT NAKED AND RETAIL SHORTS.
RUFUS JUST TOOK THEM OUT.
IF YOU HOLD 100 SHARES SHORT YOU WILL BE MARKED AT OWING 6 X $11.78 AS A ESTIMATE OF THE VALUE OF THE SHARE YOU HAVE TO DELIVER. EACH 100 SHARES SHORT POSITION WILL BE MARKED AS CAPITAL NEGATIVE $7,000 DUE TO THIS IMMEDIATE EX MOVE.
Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Market Makers Desk Posts: 4,497 DO YOU GUYS REALLY understand just how genius this is? Rather than having to go from $2 a share to $70 a share, we can entice buyers, institutions, etc after giving us real longs 6 for 1 sharse, and book value of 11 bucks based on that. That way its affordable to everyone else, and us longs make out as if we are selling at 70 bucks a share, when we sell at 11 bucks a share!!!
Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 30 Quote: Originally Posted by phil Your posts tonight have really been on the A game. I am really impressed.
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THE UTTER CUNNING RUFUS HAS SHOWN IN THE HOUR BEFORE CLOSE "TYPO" AND THE SUBSEQUENT SHORT ELIMINATION VIA AN IMMEDIATE DISTRIBUTION (WITH A 10/30 DELIVERY) SHOWS A COMPLETE MASTERY OF STOCK TRADING, SETTLEMENT, AND BROKERAGE HOUSE PRACTICES.
I AM HUMBLED BY IT ALL.
STUNNED REALLY. NO IDEA HOW HE FIGURED IT OUT BUT HE FOUND THE ANGLE.
THIS JUST MIGHT SPLATTER ALL OVER THE MARKETS TOMORROW AS CAPITAL CALLS GET MADE AND ASSOCIATED POSITIONS GET COVERED.
CHECKMATE.
Posted by Jenna on :
"Evrything's starting from here I said after the 10K the ball starts rolling, now it's all down here from here."
He's explaining why the 10K was exteded....He needed the NOBO list...They cahnged a rule about it or something when he asked for the list- something about 2 days or something ,,,,I don't understand what he saying.............he just called some people idiots.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Anything you owned at close of today has 6 shares attatched to it - he said if you sell these shares basically you will not get the 6
this is CRITICAL!!!! i can't say enough how important this is...
somebody tell Rufus to PR it....
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: so...
what he/the co is saying is that they can in effect have an unposted, unfiled, forward-split without affecting the pps...
if true?
it's not a "price reset," but a share-count reset...
The reset was posted in the filings from the original 8K to the 8KA. It's not a forward split per say, it's an issuance of shares due to a reset based on the reorganization merger.
That's what I've gleaned from RUFUS. He just mentioned PIPE resets. Not normal here on the OTCBB but normal on bigger stocks.
GLTA Wally
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: SHHHHHHHH...Nel's husband is watching...no one say anything incriminating until he's gone...
Doniboy, I hope you held today! This is the biggest stock I'll ever be involved with! Posted by Jenna on :
Q: Why give out shares instead of reset as promised?
A: This is a rest. You received it in shares
Q:Was it part of the plan all along?
A: This was all layed out... This way he doesn't need approval, knew he was going to do it this was from the beginning
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Anything you owned at close of today has 6 shares attatched to it - he said if you sell these shares basically you will not get the 6
this is CRITICAL!!!! i can't say enough how important this is...
somebody tell Rufus to PR it....
He also said that if you are on the company books as a shareholder you will get your shares. He is worried about the brokers and MM's trying to take advantage of the situation.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
Posted by NEL on :
Any Vegas parties or other are going to have to wait until after the 30th cause I know no one here is selling a share before then...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Originally Posted by tutankhamen النصر لك
Now you understand why I said. Today you are either with or without. "CVSU would like to announce that today we file our 10-KSB and a "10-KSB/A" Annual Report."
The cobra has struck with a furious vengenace. The shorts will never get out of this.
You are either with or without today. You who have stood strong, yours is the victory cup to drink of.
Those who stand before me will live. Those who stand with their backs to me will surely perish.
ya KHabar befloos, bukrah yeb'a bebalash الصمت احيانا ضروري. بعض الانبياء المزيفين عندما اتكلم كثيرا وان لم يتكلم. كل شيء سيكون علي كشف لكم وسيكون النصر لكم.
Posted by glassman on :
posted by someone else:
RUFUS JUST TOOK THEM OUT.
IF YOU HOLD 100 SHARES SHORT YOU WILL BE MARKED AT OWING 6 X $11.78 AS A ESTIMATE OF THE VALUE OF THE SHARE YOU HAVE TO DELIVER. EACH 100 SHARES SHORT POSITION WILL BE MARKED AS CAPITAL NEGATIVE $7,000 DUE TO THIS IMMEDIATE EX MOVE.
MASSIVE DESTRUCTION OF WEALTH ON THE SHORT SIDE.
WE JUST WITNESSED HISTORY. WOW!!!!!
i am not buying this in total...
IMO? they CANNOT mark you down for the 11.78$... just the shares, and you can still buy them because the shares each have a coupon for 6 more attached until the 6 are delivered...
remeber? i am NEVER a shorter... i am always a long....
i could be incorrect about the 11$ mark but it does not make sense...
they aren't trading it at 11$ they are trading it at 1.8$ times 6...
correction, that should be 1.8$ times 7 Posted by Jenna on :
"As an issuer, I can call the MM and halt it. There's always a way to do something."
"If we halt it for market manipulation.... " Sorry I got interrupted!!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
I remember him mentioning threshold resets months ago. That's how I had that link.
Posted by T e x on :
re the blue diamond thing...and here's where the feet of my doubts start to "feel bottom," if you will...
if shorts are bound to deliver? Then it *is* a dividend...
One way peeps get screwed in the shorting process is that while their shares are loaned out, they miss divvies. So the lending brokerage makes compensatory payment to their client (whose shares they borrowed in order to effect the short), but said payment has tax implications that the divvy did not. Bottom line? client whose shares were borrowed usually loses some dough in the process...
So, if "due bills" involved? doubt this will work
Posted by CRab on :
Where is BB? I hope she knows what is going on...
Posted by unclerudy on :
More like 1.8 * 7, because of the original share. In the end, we will have SEVEN times the number of shares we currently have, not SIX. It looks like everyone is forgetting about the share you already own, plus the six ADDITIONAL shares.
SEVEN TOTAL!!!!!
Posted by Jenna on :
"You can't deny the value, if they want to manipulate it, let 'em!!"
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "You can't deny the value, if they want to manipulate it, let 'em!!"
If we go to nasdq there is no denying it! JMO
Posted by Jenna on :
Q: What do you have to say to fronthaul shareholder?
A: If you have a gripe from where you've stood...you're just a pain in the as*!! Look how far you've come....If you have aproblem you're just greedy...and greed comes from a baaaaaaaaaad place!"
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by unclerudy: More like 1.8 * 7, because of the original share. In the end, we will have SEVEN times the number of shares we currently have, not SIX. It looks like everyone is forgetting about the share you already own, plus the six ADDITIONAL shares.
SEVEN TOTAL!!!!!
i realised my error and edited thanx...
this play is truly unique...
Posted by Doniboy on :
If you sell your shares then you sell the right to your 6 shares on the 30th right? Does that mean that if you buy shares you BUY the right to the 6 shares?
Posted by Jenna on :
"We've given them an opportunity.......There causing so much slack out here.....Greed is not a good thing....."
Posted by PCola77 on :
Ok, I've tried to PM this to a few people soas to not sound like a basher, but still can't figure this out.
Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: re the blue diamond thing...and here's where the feet of my doubts start to "feel bottom," if you will...
if shorts are bound to deliver? Then it *is* a dividend...
One way peeps get screwed in the shorting process is that while their shares are loaned out, they miss divvies. So the lending brokerage makes compensatory payment to their client (whose shares they borrowed in order to effect the short), but said payment has tax implications that the divvy did not. Bottom line? client whose shares were borrowed usually loses some dough in the process...
So, if "due bills" involved? doubt this will work
i'm trying to follow it this way too Tex...
that's why i'm demanding a clarifying PR....
with the due bills attached? the PPS should go up as shorts try to acquire...
if they aren't attached? then they are toast already... the shares are not available
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Ok, I've tried to PM this to a few people soas to not sound like a basher, but still can't figure this out.
Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
Because they are going to Nasdaq wiht a book value of $11 with 7bill in assets, but Rufus has another 8mill contracted according to him, meaning higher book value when 10Q comes out. Later alligator!
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Ok, I've tried to PM this to a few people soas to not sound like a basher, but still can't figure this out.
Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
That might be the case if this was a split, but according to what rufus is saying its neither a split nor a dividend. So the price wouldnt be divided by 7 AFAIK.
Posted by TimW on :
Id rather have 7 times the total shares than a plain $15 price reset!!
That leaves the PPS plenty room to grow and the gain more substantial.
Feel sorry for those that got out thinking they can jump back in before the 30th... eeek.
Posted by Jenna on :
"I get 100 email with someone's post on it, that's how I look at the thread...I can't sit back & let'em lie...Never Lie to me!"
Q:Can we expect more 6:1's
A: I wouldn't look for more of it. It's not good for dilution,
Posted by Jenna on :
"We met the QUalifications for Nasdaq Tues of Last week!!!!!"
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: Id rather have 7 times the total shares than a plain $15 price reset!!
That leaves the PPS plenty room to grow and the gain more substantial.
Feel sorry for those that got out thinking they can jump back in before the 30th... eeek.
Agreed!
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
How do you get everyone breaking even? Even if your scenario were to happen and every person with the bonus shares decided to sell, there will be plenty of folks who get a price of $11.00, $10.00 and so on on the way down.
But your aren't ever going to see .30 again, anyway. And many folks are going to hold for the NASDAQ listing.
Jo
Posted by bilgert on :
Said that CSHD has met the requirements for uplisting since last Tuesday- and to watch for news.
Posted by Jenna on :
"Keep watching the news, watch the PRess" giggling
Posted by PCola77 on :
So I would still sell my shares the first day I can, and then buy back in once the dump is over, but if one day people have 7 times the shares that they had the day before, you can be damn sure there will be a dump on day 1. I just don't see how the price would stay the same when the supply suddenly increases 7 fold. Just doesn't make sense economically.
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Ok, I've tried to PM this to a few people soas to not sound like a basher, but still can't figure this out.
Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
Because they are going to Nasdaq wiht a book value of $11 with 7bill in assets, but Rufus has another 8mill contracted according to him, meaning higher book value when 10Q comes out. Later alligator!
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: Said that CSHD has met the requirements for uplisting since last Tuesday- and to watch for news.
HOLY SH*T, when Rufus gets 'er done, he doesn't mess around!
Posted by Jenna on :
Peeps- He's got somethin' up his sleeve IMO!
Posted by unclerudy on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Ok, I've tried to PM this to a few people soas to not sound like a basher, but still can't figure this out.
Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
That sounds correct. But it might be more like if everyone bought in at 1.80. Devide that by 7, so you get something like .257, and anyone that bought in and has an average devided by 7 below that value should be making money. Now when it goes up from there, the profits should be coming, and we expect it to go to 11.78, so it should be almost a 50 bagger from here.
So just take your number of shares, multiply them by .257, and then sell when you feel that you have made enough money at that point.
Me, I will probably be holding until around 10 bucks after I get all of my shares and the market has some kind of reaction to the addition of the shares. Anything over that, and I will definately be a millionaire after taxes.
Posted by Jenna on :
Peeps- He's got somethin' up his sleeve IMO!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
last tut post...
Listen carefully shareholders. Now you know why I said to hold tight. Now I will say it again. Hold tight because this will squeeze the shorts because they will have to deliver all FTD's so that the share dividends can be put into your accounts. Now they have no choice if everyone holds tight you could see the biggest squeeze in history. No flipping, no daytrading right now. You have no idea this is just only the beginning of things you have no idea about yet.
The cobra has struck with a furious vengeance. The shorts will never get out of this.
Posted by Jenna on :
Peeps- He's got somethin' up his sleeve IMO!
Posted by PCola77 on :
No jo, it doesn't work that way. It would have the same effect as a split, in that at market open on day 1, buyers would know that the supply has increased 7 fold, and it would essentially "gap down" to 1/7th of the previous days close. Which if it is at $11 you'll all make good money. I'll just continue to be an interested observer, but I think claims of pots of gold at the end of the rainbow are a bit premature, that's all.
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
quote:Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
How do you get everyone breaking even? Even if your scenario were to happen and every person with the bonus shares decided to sell, there will be plenty of folks who get a price of $11.00, $10.00 and so on on the way down.
But your aren't ever going to see .30 again, anyway. And many folks are going to hold for the NASDAQ listing.
Jo
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: re the blue diamond thing...and here's where the feet of my doubts start to "feel bottom," if you will...
if shorts are bound to deliver? Then it *is* a dividend...
One way peeps get screwed in the shorting process is that while their shares are loaned out, they miss divvies. So the lending brokerage makes compensatory payment to their client (whose shares they borrowed in order to effect the short), but said payment has tax implications that the divvy did not. Bottom line? client whose shares were borrowed usually loses some dough in the process...
So, if "due bills" involved? doubt this will work
i'm trying to follow it this way too Tex...
that's why i'm demanding a clarifying PR....
with the due bills attached? the PPS should go up as shorts try to acquire...
if they aren't attached? then they are toast already... the shares are not available
well, I don't "trust" PRs as far as I can punt your furnace... we've simply seen too many faulty PRs from confused CEOs/CFOs, etc...
however, I don't see how shorts could be in trouble either way... how have it both ways?
in fact, if due bills *not* attached? I'm thinking nekkid shorts have NO obligation, at all...
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:Feels sorry for those that got out thinking they can jump back in before the 30th... eeek.
Rufus said this?
Wonder if he feels sorry enough to send a few thousand shares my way.
Or, heck, maybe he can just "amend" the 10k again, drop the price so I can get back in and then "amend" it again with the date of the 17th. Think he'll go for it?
Jo
Posted by Jenna on :
He knows how to track who's shorting but he's not going to reveal all his aces
Posted by unclerudy on :
A quick question. What time will have to hold on to the additional shares so that they are not considered short term gain? Specifically what date are they going to be considered to be ours? Will it be from the date that we receive them, or the date that we purchased the original shares? And what will be the value that they are calculated from so that we can know what our capitol gains are? Just a few things to ponder so I can know how much I am going to have to put aside at tax time.
And are we going to have to pay tax on the shares that we get this year even if we are long? The tax implications on this one will be very strange.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Your post is my exact fear. People are counting their millions already. Just be careful with your expectations is all I'm saying. If any of you truly make a 50 bagger from here, I'll gladly bow to you, but I am VERY skeptical that this will play out the way people seem to think it will.
quote:Originally posted by unclerudy:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Ok, I've tried to PM this to a few people soas to not sound like a basher, but still can't figure this out.
Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
That sounds correct. But it might be more like if everyone bought in at 1.80. Devide that by 7, so you get something like .257, and anyone that bought in and has an average devided by 7 below that value should be making money. Now when it goes up from there, the profits should be coming, and we expect it to go to 11.78, so it should be almost a 50 bagger from here.
So just take your number of shares, multiply them by .257, and then sell when you feel that you have made enough money at that point.
Me, I will probably be holding until around 10 bucks after I get all of my shares and the market has some kind of reaction to the addition of the shares. Anything over that, and I will definately be a millionaire after taxes.
Posted by Jenna on :
"If you sell after today, you still get the 6 from whatever you owned today"---------OK----isn't that a contradiction?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
quote:Feels sorry for those that got out thinking they can jump back in before the 30th... eeek.
Rufus said this?
Wonder if he feels sorry enough to send a few thousand shares my way.
Or, heck, maybe he can just "amend" the 10k again, drop the price so I can get back in and then "amend" it again with the date of the 17th. Think he'll go for it?
Jo
JO...
IF and i mean a BIG IF the 6 shares are attached to the sahres like Rufus said? you can still buy back in.. BUT?
you need to make sure somehow...
bug Rufus to PR and 8K it... a PR is OK, but an 8K makes it stronger..
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by unclerudy: A quick question. What time will have to hold on to the additional shares so that they are not considered short term gain? Specifically what date are they going to be considered to be ours? Will it be from the date that we receive them, or the date that we purchased the original shares? And what will be the value that they are calculated from so that we can know what our capitol gains are? Just a few things to ponder so I can know how much I am going to have to put aside at tax time.
And are we going to have to pay tax on the shares that we get this year even if we are long? The tax implications on this one will be very strange.
All great questions we are al thinking about. My guess is best to ask a tax attorney.
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
this needs to be IN WRITNG folks...
i cannot stress this enough.. i can't get into SPR eoither.. somebody needs to tell Rufus to PUT THIS IN A PR if it's true
"The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
i believe it, but everybody needs to see it in writing..
This was one of my points earlier - with the due bills attatched (6 shares attatched to each share) - there is nothing saying that if I buy tomorrow that I won't get the due bills attatched to those shares - I can't believe they can just dissappear in the middle of the transaction. That would mean the more shares that are traded the less shares they would be giving out because the due bills would be dropping off - that would make no sense.
Posted by T e x on :
OK, this is the indider/leaker/saviour, right?
see my italic emphasis...
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: last tut post...
Listen carefully shareholders. Now you know why I said to hold tight. Now I will say it again. Hold tight because this will squeeze the shorts because they will have to deliver all FTD's so that the share dividends ... .
if a dividened? seriously doubt this will fly...
oh...not saying there's not a play in here, btw... and NO, lol, I haven't thought of it...
YET...
but, really doubt an unannounced, unfiled divyy will hold up...
Posted by Jenna on :
Q: Will you put out a PR about htis conv tonight?
A: "I already did tonight."
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: No jo, it doesn't work that way. It would have the same effect as a split, in that at market open on day 1, buyers would know that the supply has increased 7 fold, and it would essentially "gap down" to 1/7th of the previous days close. Which if it is at $11 you'll all make good money. I'll just continue to be an interested observer, but I think claims of pots of gold at the end of the rainbow are a bit premature, that's all.
Can you stop spewing trash. The stock isn't going to tank, with the new O/S after the 6:1 shares given out, the book value is currently $11. You are being unrealisitic and a subtle basher!
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321:
quote:Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
How do you get everyone breaking even? Even if your scenario were to happen and every person with the bonus shares decided to sell, there will be plenty of folks who get a price of $11.00, $10.00 and so on on the way down.
But your aren't ever going to see .30 again, anyway. And many folks are going to hold for the NASDAQ listing.
Jo
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "If you sell after today, you still get the 6 from whatever you owned today"---------OK----isn't that a contradiction?
YEA - the opposite was just stated a little while ago - this is just crazy.
Posted by Jenna on :
I thought he said earlier - if you sell you lose the 6...he must have meant if you sold today you lost the 6.
Posted by unclerudy on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Your post is my exact fear. People are counting their millions already. Just be careful with your expectations is all I'm saying. If any of you truly make a 50 bagger from here, I'll gladly bow to you, but I am VERY skeptical that this will play out the way people seem to think it will.
quote:Originally posted by unclerudy:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Ok, I've tried to PM this to a few people soas to not sound like a basher, but still can't figure this out.
Can someone tell me the flaw in this logic:
I bought 100 shares today at $2.10. Come Oct 30th, I have 700 shares. Come November 1, I'm selling at any price I can get above .30, so that I make a profit. Most others do the same, and the price drops to .30 and everyone break even.
That sounds correct. But it might be more like if everyone bought in at 1.80. Devide that by 7, so you get something like .257, and anyone that bought in and has an average devided by 7 below that value should be making money. Now when it goes up from there, the profits should be coming, and we expect it to go to 11.78, so it should be almost a 50 bagger from here.
So just take your number of shares, multiply them by .257, and then sell when you feel that you have made enough money at that point.
Me, I will probably be holding until around 10 bucks after I get all of my shares and the market has some kind of reaction to the addition of the shares. Anything over that, and I will definately be a millionaire after taxes.
I am sitting at just below a 20 bagger right now, and if it goes to 5 bucks, I will have my 50 bagger. I am looking at making more money than I ever planned on having in a very long time. I got in around .1 back in the log deal days of FHAL, and have held on to my share with a vice grip. So seeing it go to anything above 5 bucks makes me very happy in the pants.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: re the blue diamond thing...and here's where the feet of my doubts start to "feel bottom," if you will...
if shorts are bound to deliver? Then it *is* a dividend...
One way peeps get screwed in the shorting process is that while their shares are loaned out, they miss divvies. So the lending brokerage makes compensatory payment to their client (whose shares they borrowed in order to effect the short), but said payment has tax implications that the divvy did not. Bottom line? client whose shares were borrowed usually loses some dough in the process...
So, if "due bills" involved? doubt this will work
i'm trying to follow it this way too Tex...
that's why i'm demanding a clarifying PR....
with the due bills attached? the PPS should go up as shorts try to acquire...
if they aren't attached? then they are toast already... the shares are not available
well, I don't "trust" PRs as far as I can punt your furnace... we've simply seen too many faulty PRs from confused CEOs/CFOs, etc...
however, I don't see how shorts could be in trouble either way... how have it both ways?
in fact, if due bills *not* attached? I'm thinking nekkid shorts have NO obligation, at all...
Sorry!
yes, I could edit...but clarity-continuity, here's what I posted in reply:
quote:however, I don't see how shorts could be in trouble either way... how have it both ways?
What I intended was:
I don't see how shorts could NOT be in trouble either way... that is, how can they have it both ways?
Posted by NEL on :
Gotta go to bed. Hopefully we will have a fun-filled day tomorrow and into the next couple of weeks.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: re the blue diamond thing...and here's where the feet of my doubts start to "feel bottom," if you will...
if shorts are bound to deliver? Then it *is* a dividend...
One way peeps get screwed in the shorting process is that while their shares are loaned out, they miss divvies. So the lending brokerage makes compensatory payment to their client (whose shares they borrowed in order to effect the short), but said payment has tax implications that the divvy did not. Bottom line? client whose shares were borrowed usually loses some dough in the process...
So, if "due bills" involved? doubt this will work
i'm trying to follow it this way too Tex...
that's why i'm demanding a clarifying PR....
with the due bills attached? the PPS should go up as shorts try to acquire...
if they aren't attached? then they are toast already... the shares are not available
well, I don't "trust" PRs as far as I can punt your furnace... we've simply seen too many faulty PRs from confused CEOs/CFOs, etc...
however, I don't see how shorts could be in trouble either way... how have it both ways?
in fact, if due bills *not* attached? I'm thinking nekkid shorts have NO obligation, at all...
not sure i follow you Tex.... no obligation to what?
th enaked shorts still have to replace the shares...
the company knows exactly how many shares they are SUPPOSED to issue..they send them out...
some people don't get their shares...
whoever sold the naked short is obligated to obtain those shares onthe market to place them into the account they belong in...
the TA KNOWS...
Posted by Jenna on :
"Go read documents ver carefully.........JV's do not receive any funds until we file S3's"
Posted by Jo4321 on :
It's got to be one way or the other.
Either, the shares are attached and when you sell, you owe those shares to the buyer. Ergo, the buyer buys 1 share with the 6 attached.
OR, the shares are not attached and you can sell your 1 share and still keep your other 6. Ergo, a new buyer will only get to buy one share and no other 6 attached.
It can't be both ways. You can't lose your six shares by selling and have buyers not gain those same 6 when they buy.
It'd be the case of the disappearing shares.
But I guess anything's possible...this is CSHD afterall.
Jo
Posted by Jenna on :
Q: If the PPS is below $11 on the 30th will you reset to $11?
A: No, you've all recieved your shares... we're giving you the money.....it's for your benefit, it's for your liquiity, not ours"
Posted by Doniboy on :
How many people here will be millionaires if you get 7 times your shares and this goes to $15? Thats what scares me, OTCBB millionaires just don't happen that often...
Posted by PCola77 on :
Stocktrader22, I understand that I seem like a basher, but I am genuinely trying to figure out what's going on here, and it scares the hell out of me to hear people sincerely talking about what they are going to do with their millions, and how much to set aside for taxes, etc.
I'll leave you all alone now, you're (probably) all adults and can think for yourselves, but just remember if it seems ot good to be true it probably is.
I'm not the type to come back and say I told you so if I am right, nor will I come back and apologize if I am wrong, but I will be pulling for all of you, because everytime the little guys beat the MMs it's a good day, and if this works out, more CEOs will do it and we'll all be rich eventually. Just think of one thing though, do you think after all these years, Rufus is the guy that finally figured out how to burn the shorts, and no one's thought of this before him? I doubt it.
Good luck to you all
Posted by glassman on :
Either, the shares are attached and when you sell, you owe those shares to the buyer. Ergo, the buyer buys 1 share with the 6 attached.
OR, the shares are not attached and you can sell your 1 share and still keep your other 6. Ergo, a new buyer will only get to buy one share and no other 6 attached.
thats' correct Jo and that's why i am seeking clarification...
it is critical to know..
Posted by cassity on :
Rufus said he still has some ACES up his sleeve!
Posted by Jenna on :
Q: If the PPS stays at around $2 / share in January, then what?
A; "Impossible, these's a few more steps in the ladder, if it does that I'll be one surprised puppy.
Q: Why wait 'til the 30th?
A:Because I have to let Nasdaq know.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by T e x: re the blue diamond thing...and here's where the feet of my doubts start to "feel bottom," if you will...
if shorts are bound to deliver? Then it *is* a dividend...
One way peeps get screwed in the shorting process is that while their shares are loaned out, they miss divvies. So the lending brokerage makes compensatory payment to their client (whose shares they borrowed in order to effect the short), but said payment has tax implications that the divvy did not. Bottom line? client whose shares were borrowed usually loses some dough in the process...
So, if "due bills" involved? doubt this will work
i'm trying to follow it this way too Tex...
that's why i'm demanding a clarifying PR....
with the due bills attached? the PPS should go up as shorts try to acquire...
if they aren't attached? then they are toast already... the shares are not available
well, I don't "trust" PRs as far as I can punt your furnace... we've simply seen too many faulty PRs from confused CEOs/CFOs, etc...
however, I don't see how shorts could be in trouble either way... how have it both ways?
in fact, if due bills *not* attached? I'm thinking nekkid shorts have NO obligation, at all...
not sure i follow you Tex.... no obligation to what?
th enaked shorts still have to replace the shares...
the company knows exactly how many shares they are SUPPOSED to issue..they send them out...
some people don't get their shares...
whoever sold the naked short is obligated to obtain those shares onthe market to place them into the account they belong in...
the TA KNOWS...
without due bills?
the peeps that call in, demand, etc...may finally get theirs...
jaybirds lay low--if they cain't trackum now? how they gonna trackum w/o due bills?
Posted by Jenna on :
"Buddies take care of buddies.........the Beast never stops eating as long as you fed him he'll eat.........manipulators"
Posted by JHenry on :
It was mentioned that due bills are attatched. Due bills attatched = Don't sell them This is one strange play.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Q: If the PPS stays at around $2 / share in January, then what?
A; "Impossible, these's a few more steps in the ladder, if it does that I'll be one surprised puppy.
Q: Why wait 'til the 30th?
A:Because I have to let Nasdaq know.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
ya, what I'm saying... "10 days"
That's 10 days' *notification" in advance...
any evidence of that?
Posted by Jenna on :
A share holder on ohone also
Rufus asked hin how are you?
GOOD real happy!
Posted by bigstocks on :
PCola I bought my original shares at .08. I'm extremely happy with Rufus. He has done everything he said, maybe not on the timeline he said. I got free shares so i'll be holding way past $15. JMHO
Posted by Jenna on :
Q: Do you believe it can go to $100?
A: Yes
Q: When?
A: in a few weeks!!
It's up to the shareholder...starve the beast....if you don't flip it hold it, name your price...if you starve the beast..he will go away.......if no one sold for 2 weeks there's no telling where the PPS can go!!!!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry: It was mentioned that due bills are attatched. Due bills attatched = Don't sell them This is one strange play.
lol, agreed, J Henry... never seen on ticker push the envelope on all seams...
due bills being attached makes a critical difference, imo...
Posted by Jenna on :
Do retricted shares qualify for the 6
Yes if your on the books!!
Posted by glassman on :
without due bills?
the peeps that call in, demand, etc...may finally get theirs...
jaybirds lay low--if they cain't trackum now? how they gonna trackum w/o due bills?
that's why i am using a REAL broker, not a 'net broker here...
remeber all the people that left AMTRD and others to go to MerrylLynch?
now we are gonna see why...
Posted by Jenna on :
Can anybody take over for me. I have to go to bed, the babies get up early in the morn........
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Goodnight, Jenna. Thanks for the info and the typing.
Jo
Posted by thedoctor on :
"Starve the Beast" ..... DO NOT SELL .......I can do that....I will do that....WOW
Posted by Jenna on :
Q: How do you get them?
A: you can get them electronically from the broker.
Gonna answer questions live on internet....
Posted by Jo4321 on :
where on the internet?
On paltalk?
Posted by Jenna on :
Anybody takin' over?
Posted by thedoctor on :
Jenna.....You are doing a great job.
Posted by Igor R on :
This is another one of those 4-5 hour 2-3 am interviews lolol.
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks Doc.....I see your takin over.
Jo- buy back in tomorrow- sounds like Rufus is in control- he's going to make sure it will be what it's worth!! Get back in- you'll still be happy in the end.......Love ya
Good night all.....We did it.......Congrats!!!
Posted by Jo4321 on :
where's he taking questions online?
Link?
Jo
Posted by glassman on :
can't get in jenna...
Posted by thedoctor on :
Jenna....You can be a news correspondent
Posted by Jenna on :
Jo - He'll take question - I think he meant through the website - in the future maybe in a few days------he just said it's still a great buy Jo.....
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks guys........Glass do you have a membership?
Posted by Doniboy on :
Thanks Jenna, you rock...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: without due bills?
the peeps that call in, demand, etc...may finally get theirs...
jaybirds lay low--if they cain't trackum now? how they gonna trackum w/o due bills?
that's why i am using a REAL broker, not a 'net broker here...
remeber all the people that left AMTRD and others to go to MerrylLynch?
now we are gonna see why...
Can you explain in more detail why this matters? I'm on the shareholder list and use Scottrade, am I alright?
Posted by Jenna on :
Remember today when I said we should all set our GTC sell orders really high like * $300 / share?
He just said everyone should do that!!! (He didn't say 300 though, he said how ever much we want)
Posted by CRab on :
can i still get on sub if i join right now?
Posted by Jenna on :
Good night for real now all - love ya's
************************************************
Champagne wishes &
Cavair Dreams
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Doni- kiss your baby girl for me!!
Posted by Jenna on :
Yes Crab - I got on as soon as I signed up & gave them credit card #. $5 / month worth it.
Ok bye!!! I'm throwing you all kisses!!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: without due bills?
the peeps that call in, demand, etc...may finally get theirs...
jaybirds lay low--if they cain't trackum now? how they gonna trackum w/o due bills?
that's why i am using a REAL broker, not a 'net broker here...
remeber all the people that left AMTRD and others to go to MerrylLynch?
now we are gonna see why...
Can you explain in more detail why this matters? I'm on the shareholder list and use Scottrade, am I alright?
the Transfer Agent knows how many hsares they issued...
they don't know who has them....
they issue a certain number of shares to each broker based on how many the brokerage house is supposed to have...
if the brokerage house needs more shares than they get? somebody has to make up the difference...
your broker has assured you that you have those shares...
it's not YOUR problem...
Scotty has always been very conservative in my epxerience...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: without due bills?
the peeps that call in, demand, etc...may finally get theirs...
jaybirds lay low--if they cain't trackum now? how they gonna trackum w/o due bills?
that's why i am using a REAL broker, not a 'net broker here...
remeber all the people that left AMTRD and others to go to MerrylLynch?
now we are gonna see why...
lol, understood about A-trade (ha ha, kinda funny, doncha think?), but I was responding to your observation:
"whoever sold the naked short is obligated to obtain those shares onthe market to place them into the account they belong in..."
I simply don't see how that obligation comes up w/o due bills...ESPECIALLY for j-birds...nekkid is nekkid does, in that case, eh?
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Remember today when I said we should all set our GTC sell orders really high like * $300 / share?
He just said everyone should do that!!! (He didn't say 300 though, he said how ever much we want)
Mine have been up for sale at $375 since October 9th!
Ill be one happy man when that order is filled... Posted by Doniboy on :
Good night people....
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: without due bills?
the peeps that call in, demand, etc...may finally get theirs...
jaybirds lay low--if they cain't trackum now? how they gonna trackum w/o due bills?
that's why i am using a REAL broker, not a 'net broker here...
remeber all the people that left AMTRD and others to go to MerrylLynch?
now we are gonna see why...
lol, understood about A-trade (ha ha, kinda funny, doncha think?), but I was responding to your observation:
"whoever sold the naked short is obligated to obtain those shares onthe market to place them into the account they belong in..."
I simply don't see how that obligation comes up w/o due bills...ESPECIALLY for j-birds...nekkid is nekkid does, in that case, eh?
the brokers know who they buy from...
if there's a hedge fund in here that's been nekked shorting? the brokers'll go after them...
we've seen afew hedges crash and burn lately..
you think Merrly Lynch won't take 'em apart?
AMTRD? i have no frigginidear what is up with them..
i have watched them ignore all kinds of crap and on this one? they wake up and smell something bad? LOL? i dunno...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: without due bills?
the peeps that call in, demand, etc...may finally get theirs...
jaybirds lay low--if they cain't trackum now? how they gonna trackum w/o due bills?
that's why i am using a REAL broker, not a 'net broker here...
remeber all the people that left AMTRD and others to go to MerrylLynch?
now we are gonna see why...
Can you explain in more detail why this matters? I'm on the shareholder list and use Scottrade, am I alright?
the Transfer Agent knows how many hsares they issued...
they don't know who has them....
they issue a certain number of shares to each broker based on how many the brokerage house is supposed to have...
if the brokerage house needs more shares than they get? somebody has to make up the difference...
your broker has assured you that you have those shares...
it's not YOUR problem...
Scotty has always been very conservative in my epxerience...
actually, this leaves out all the shares "in street name" at Cede & Co, under DTC/DTCC/et al umbrella.
ya know, just for the record? I HOPE more and MORE of these push-the-envelope plays pop up...for this very reason.
As always, I have empathy for those who get burned. Yet, the more we can learn about how the system(s) really work, the better for everybody.
Posted by cassity on :
Rufus asked if cash divis are in the plans?
He said ABSOLUTLY!
Posted by T e x on :
"the brokers'll go after them..."
agreed...they do have the *power* to go after the originally shorted shares...
but
w/o due bills attached?
how track the "reset shares" (lol, I have trouble even typing the term reset shares)
much less, how track j-bird?
Posted by cassity on :
This is NOT a dividend!
Posted by wallymac on :
You're right TEX.
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
GLTA Wally
Posted by cassity on :
Share issuance from the merger agreement is how Rufus explains the shares being distributed!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: You're right TEX.
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
GLTA Wally
then it would follow to me that Shorty is "off the hook" as far as a normal divvy situation...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: You're right TEX.
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
GLTA Wally
then it would follow to me that Shorty is "off the hook" as far as a normal divvy situation...
Yes except for the fact that they owe the 6 additional shares for the air shares they have sold.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: You're right TEX.
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
GLTA Wally
then it would follow to me that Shorty is "off the hook" as far as a normal divvy situation...
Yes except for the fact that they owe the 6 additional shares for the air shares they have sold.
GLTA Wally
"they owe the 6 additional shares "
why?
no due bills...
see what I mean?
without anything being filed? Your PR says this, but my (shorted) shares don't have that attached...
how can you possibly make that stick?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Don't forget that they also have to pay the value of those 7 total shares. They cover them tomorrow at a 1.80 would be a best case senario for them, but what happens when the price climbs. Depending on the rules they can cover all 7 or only one in the next two weeks. If it is one then they must cover the other six at whatever the price is on Oct. 30th.
Personally, I think they are toast. Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by glassman: without due bills?
the peeps that call in, demand, etc...may finally get theirs...
jaybirds lay low--if they cain't trackum now? how they gonna trackum w/o due bills?
that's why i am using a REAL broker, not a 'net broker here...
remeber all the people that left AMTRD and others to go to MerrylLynch?
now we are gonna see why... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote: Can you explain in more detail why this matters? I'm on the shareholder list and use Scottrade, am I alright? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I will just relay my experience with TDAmeritrade and PAVC shares. If after the split, we had less than 100 shares, we were to be rounded up to 100 shares. This was in the 8-K. This was in early August.
TDAmeritrade so far has not credited my account with the shares. The T.A. blames TDAmeritrade, TDAmeritrade blames the T.A. I've emailed about every two weeks and get the same sort of "we're workign on it reply" from both. They say there is just "Soooo much paperwork". And in the meantime, the stock price has gone from where I could have sold for a profit at the split to a loss even when I GET the extra shares.
Make sure you document everything you do with TDAmeritrade, every email, every phone conversation. There are other brokers too who haven't given the shares. I think Choicetrade was the only one who gave them right away. You might look in the PAVC thread to see the others who are still waiting. I know Fidelity is one.
Jo
Posted by Hannibull on :
good morning, wow so much to read...
I'm not in but suppose I get in today (tomorrow) would I get the 6 extra shares per share? I sold my shares at 3.22 but TDA wouldn't allow me to buy back Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: good morning, wow so much to read...
I'm not in but suppose If get in today (tomorrow) would I get the 6 extra shares per share? I sold my shares at 3.22 but TDA wouldn't allow me to buy back
Even if you don't Hannibull play it for the squeeze. I you can get your hands on shares you are going to see a percent gain at this point. We have some very big new stone figures. And rumor that they are going to grow two fold. Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Don't forget that they also have to pay the value of those 7 total shares. They cover them tomorrow at a 1.80 would be a best case senario for them, but what happens when the price climbs. Depending on the rules they can cover all 7 or only one in the next two weeks. If it is one then they must cover the other six at whatever the price is on Oct. 30th.
Personally, I think they are toast.
OK...
let's reason this out...personally, this post makes no sense to me. Why? I have 6-7-8 times the amount of "free shares" shares tomorrow, at THE SAME PRICE?!?!?
I'm selling most of my position, MAYBE NOT ALL...given how weird this one is...but certainly I'm gonna take some profit, right?
Especially given--if there's NO DUE BILLS attached--shorty has no reason to cover?
Perhaps I'm missing a key factor...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Don't forget that they also have to pay the value of those 7 total shares. They cover them tomorrow at a 1.80 would be a best case senario for them, but what happens when the price climbs. Depending on the rules they can cover all 7 or only one in the next two weeks. If it is one then they must cover the other six at whatever the price is on Oct. 30th.
Personally, I think they are toast.
OK...
let's reason this out...personally, this post makes no sense to me. Why? I have 6-7-8 times the amount of "free shares" shares tomorrow, at THE SAME PRICE?!?!?
I'm selling most of my position, MAYBE NOT ALL...given how weird this one is...but certainly I'm gonna take some profit, right?
Especially given--if there's NO DUE BILLS attached--shorty has no reason to cover?
Perhaps I'm missing a key factor...
Why would you sell most of your shares tomorrow?
Posted by Hannibull on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by Hannibull: good morning, wow so much to read...
I'm not in but suppose If get in today (tomorrow) would I get the 6 extra shares per share? I sold my shares at 3.22 but TDA wouldn't allow me to buy back
Even if you don't Hannibull play it for the squeeze. I you can get your hands on shares you are going to see a percent gain at this point. We have some very big new stone figures. And rumor that they are going to grow two fold.
alright, i'm sure it'll be fun to watch today, i have my local broker here ready just in case, because Ameriturd has not let me buy one single share since I sold. My application with choicetrade is in and I'm about to transfer my whole portfolio from Ameriturd to them
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Perhaps I'm missing a key factor...
This part I will agree with I don't think anyone but Rufus and NASDAQ know all the "key" factors.
Sell if you want, I always believe you should play where you are comfortable. Do you know if Due Bills are attached or not? I know I don't at this point. Heck I will be happy if my broker doesn't try to rake me on this one.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Don't forget that they also have to pay the value of those 7 total shares. They cover them tomorrow at a 1.80 would be a best case senario for them, but what happens when the price climbs. Depending on the rules they can cover all 7 or only one in the next two weeks. If it is one then they must cover the other six at whatever the price is on Oct. 30th.
Personally, I think they are toast.
OK...
let's reason this out...personally, this post makes no sense to me. Why? I have 6-7-8 times the amount of "free shares" shares tomorrow, at THE SAME PRICE?!?!?
I'm selling most of my position, MAYBE NOT ALL...given how weird this one is...but certainly I'm gonna take some profit, right?
Especially given--if there's NO DUE BILLS attached--shorty has no reason to cover?
Perhaps I'm missing a key factor...
Why would you sell most of your shares tomorrow?
6 to 7 bagger? why not?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Don't forget that they also have to pay the value of those 7 total shares. They cover them tomorrow at a 1.80 would be a best case senario for them, but what happens when the price climbs. Depending on the rules they can cover all 7 or only one in the next two weeks. If it is one then they must cover the other six at whatever the price is on Oct. 30th.
Personally, I think they are toast.
OK...
let's reason this out...personally, this post makes no sense to me. Why? I have 6-7-8 times the amount of "free shares" shares tomorrow, at THE SAME PRICE?!?!?
I'm selling most of my position, MAYBE NOT ALL...given how weird this one is...but certainly I'm gonna take some profit, right?
Especially given--if there's NO DUE BILLS attached--shorty has no reason to cover?
Perhaps I'm missing a key factor...
Why would you sell most of your shares tomorrow?
6 to 7 bagger? why not?
You got in at .30?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
This is total honesty for you... I saw the drop this afternoon and thought a flip was in order. If you read my posts you will understand that I was really happy even with the 1st 10KSB. Still I thought I saw time for a flip and went for ti with some shares.
Now here is the fun part. Price was at 1.95 I placed a limit sell at 1.91 and the price dropped right past with no stoping, I lowered it to 1.85 and the price went right past from 1.87 to 1.81 and did not fill the sell. I then changed to a market sell and once again several minutes went by and no fill. ETrade is usually immediate for me. I saw 1.80 and thought to myself "this is crazy" and tried to cancel my small flip and since it wa market they would not let me.
Market closed I was able to cancel my order and I was ticked it did not take. Now, I have 80% in certs ordered, but this small flip looked like the play at the time. Now it is several hours later and I couldn't be happier that I was prevented from selling... but I still have the question of why? Was it in my best interest, or was it in their best interest? I put a real serious effort out there to sell some shares, and had no luck (total luck)... I wonder now if I can trust ETrade in this situation. Just that one experience questioning the 8 years I have had them as a broker. Posted by T e x on :
"You got in at .30? "
lol... no
would've gotten at in at .137 to .185 (charts, eh?) after it filled the gap...
Agreed, *tomorrow* not the day...
but, ya once I had my "reset shares" on the 30th or thereabouts, you BET I sell.
some/all...whatever
again, why not?
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Well I heard tonight about another 8 Billion reasons "why not" but that is just me. Posted by CRab on :
The call just ended with Rufus...James is actually taking off tomorrow and is going to replay tonight's interview with rufus...
I suggest ya'll listen...WELL worth it...pretty long but worth the listen...James did a geat job by the way...
And just to clarify...in case this was not made clear...Rufus said that there are no due bills...that is actually why I started listening in the first place just to find that out, lol...
Night all...
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Good Night Board.....my blurry eyes can take no more.....guess I have caught up on events of the evening....what a rush to sort through.....read a 10KSB...last fourteen pages of this thread..lots of good points and questions being asked and answered.....and clarification on the mechanics of this reset share transaction through a PR will be greatly help our understanding......hope to see one in the morning, PLEASE ....... . . BB...Let's see those Cheerleaders at the opening bell tomorrow.... . And, Thank You to all the folks contributing to the dialogue on this thread....great work GLTA . Until then, I'll just say WWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW !!! . . . Posted by wallymac on :
I just want to say once again that I am prouod to be a part of this board. It would have been very easy for this to turn very ugly but we hung together and did what we should. Attempt to figure out what was what. Things are much clearer now yet there is still much more clarity that can be achieved. It's been one heck of a ride and it's far from over. I hope that all of us will take the same approach to future stocks we get involved in. As a group the DD, questions and give and take has been phenomenal.
So good night for now. Pleasant dreams.
GLTA Wally
Posted by mathis on :
man i see what you mean BuckyBarnes "my blurry eyes can take no more....." reading 12 pages is not fun..but it was worth it..thank you everyone who contributed to relaying great DD and conversations from Rufus..thanks Wally, Bilgert, 10, Jenna, Tax, Chart and everyone else theres just to many to name! Thank you all Good Luck everyone!
Posted by Porkchop Jihad on :
All this Math is making my head hurt. If I have 1000 shares at $11.78 that = $11,780.00
After the 30th I will have 7000 Shares:
Will I have A. 7000 shares x 11.78 PPS = $82,460 ? or B. $11,780.00 / 7000 = $1.68 PPS? (Effectively giving me 6000 more shares but still leaving me at $11,780.00)
I would just like to know which option I am working with.
I got in at .18 so either way, I am going to be a very happy SSgt. I can't wait to see the gate guards face at my base when I roll up in a Porsche and show them my Enlisted ID Card..
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Finally im able to post after the excitement last night!
IMO everyone that has been worried about a $15 "pps reset" and the pps holding afterwards should be experiencing a breath of fresh air now. If the pps could even sustain $3 a share at this point everyone should be very well off on Nov 1st! And, im quite sure we can assume that there ARE things in place to make sure $3 is only the beginning.
Although i was also confused last night (thanks to those that sent me info!) i feel very comfortable today. It is unfortunate that it appears some people bailed yesterday during the confusion but i guess its not the first time, however it could be the last time for many.
Im anxious to see what CSHD has in their pocket to entice buyers even though its too late for the share divy. That is the big key right now. I especially like the fact that we dont actually HAVE the shares until the end of the month. This prevents everyone from making a potential mistake along the way.
I love it. I MUCH prefer a share reset over pps reset, which the market would have probably destroyed in 10 minutes as everyone predicted.
I wouldnt say "check mate" yet, simply "check". When we drop the OB and go to the Nasdaq then its "check mate" and game over for anyone that has shorted this stock.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
And to answer the question "who would sell today?" i see it like this. If someone was holding 10,000 shares yesterday they now expect 70,000 in their portfolio at the end of this month. In the meantime i can see people using those 10,000 shares to either flip or take profit. There is nothing wrong with it of course, everyone has their own method of trading. BUT lets remember, WE are now responsible for the PPS of our stock. If we start selling off and flipping we will likely damage the current PPS which, in turn, drops everyones bottom line Oct 30th. Im sure we will see games still being played and im sure people will still have doubts but WE are in charge now and IMO we all need to adopt that mentality.
This is just my opinion of course, as everyone else i have never been through anything even remotely similar to this. But, to me this is just common sense and my own common sense tells me there is no reason to sell right now.
******One more thing*******
O ur street is doing his all nighter spouting off that this is a forward split and now everyones shares are now worth 1/6th of their value. This is NOT A FORWARD SPLIT!! More shares were added to support a higher market cap of the company! Will the market confused this? YES! We saw that yesterday. But, remember that there are A LOT more people out there willing to buy in at $3 than $15 so once they start hitting us with contracts and such there should be huge buying pressure. DO NOT listen to these people shouting forward split, they are the same people that said we would definately reverse split! Timothy Miles and friends are running out of angles and coming off completely ignorant now.
Hold tight your shares people, this is NOT over!
Posted by BooDog on :
I say B porkchop, but a lot can happen in the next 2 weeks. make sure you're putting that 35% in a safe place if you're selling in Nov.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
FWIW the speculation seems to be that if you sell your shares today you may screw yourself for the Oct 30th date. I dont know if this is true or not but i stick by the plan of HOLDING until the free shares are in my portfolio.
Im guessing that on October 30th your portfolio will be reviewed for any shares owned on or before Oct 16th. If you flip between now and then your shares will have a new purchase date and possibly would not qualify. However, Im told that Rufus made the comment "the shares have already been given to the shareholders" which tells me that regardless of what you do between now and then you should get your 6:1 shares.
Its confusing and gets worse day by day, which is why im just gonna hold tight and let the experts at CSHD work it out. Ive fought the desire to sell for 4 months now im not going to screw this up with only 2 weeks left.
The best part is, ill be home before Oct 30th!!! Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
NEWS OUT!!! And it has nothing to do with saving money on my car insurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ohhhhhhhhhh boy this is going to be a big day! At least people will wake up and have time to read this one before reacting! PR next maybe? The ball is rolling!
btw im totally unable to read through this right now but at initial glance it looks exactly the same as the other. Hopefully someone can explain......
Posted by RyanPBF on :
morning everyone this means on the 30th I'll be sitting on well over a 100k shares. Cat if you sell before the 30th you lose what ever you sold plus the extras. I thought you posted something about flipping.
Posted by imapoorcollegestudent on :
Yeah Cat, I wish I had time to read this one also but I'm gonna be late for work as it is! I think from my undersstanding is that the big difference is the addition on pg22? that talks about the shares we recive? Not sure but I have to go! Happy 10K day to everyone! Ima
Posted by maumee river rat on :
"Mr. CATIAEngineer
Ohhhhhhhhhh boy this is going to be a big day! At least people will wake up and have time to read this one before reacting! PR next maybe? The ball is rolling!"
Mornin Mr.!!!
Am I reading you right???
Is this one NOT the same thing that made this tank yesterday??
Posted by RyanPBF on :
is this new 10k posted to reflect the changes that were in the pr. Rat were you on the board at all last night.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
No Ryan!!!
Not at all...
I have to leave for work here this mornig too.
10 kinda filled me in a little with a PM...
What is your take??
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
It sure looks like the same thing to me. So yes Rat, this appears to be the same thing that tanked us yesterday, which confuses me why it is even necessary...whats the difference?
In the first part of my post i was excited to see it, the second part i realized it looked the same. Sorry, maybe a bit confusing.
And yes Ryan, I mentioned flipping. BUT, i dont intend to flip a single share nor do i recommend it! I was just trying to explain why people MIGHT sell based on the confusion of whether or not you need to hold the shares until the 30th. I thought since Rufus said that the shares were already designated to the shareholders we would receive them regardless of what we do until the 30th. A vast majority all over the internet believe that not to be true.
*****AGAIN...hold tight your shares IMO!*******
Posted by maumee river rat on :
The only thing I can't figure is ....If in two weeks, we hold 7x what we have now....at the same price it is .....You know damn well everyone and there brother is gunna be dumping shares on the market...
This will dilute the chit outta it and the PPS is commin down...
There will be tons of shares for the shorts to cover with and in two days we are in pennyland again
I am not totally up to speed here,,,,, but this just seems to reason....
whatcha think??
Gotta go to work now,,,
I'll check in when I can
Posted by luvforever on :
Well there will even more prs and more 8ks and i really don't think we will have to worryabout the pps then because we already can go to nas so I think after all is said and done by then we will be on nas !!!!!!!! Whoooooopeeee! Oh umm... good morning he he Posted by tompom on :
good morning everybody is the settlement issue really resolved? people who bought yesterday are definitely getting the additional 6 shares? can someone confirm that? doni?
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
Remember in the 10K it says "The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71 ."
Then it says, ""The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78 ," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer."
Those aren't 6 free shares, that's dillution
Posted by portman on :
Well, well, well, here we are.
Shareholders of record on the prescribed day are obligated to get the additional threshold reset shares.
We shall see....we shall see...remember it is unlikely we have the whole picture even yet.
Caution is the word for now.
Buy, sell and hold based on your own DD, expectations and needs. Listen to no one else. Not even me.
I am holding and potentially buying more pending the price.
Remember to calculate your new Cost Per Share so you know where you stand.
Posted by trade04 on :
so what are everyones predictions for todayt
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: Remember in the 10K it says "The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71 ."
Then it says, ""The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimatedboo value of $11.78 ," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer."
Those aren't 6 free shares, that's dillution
Please do not annoy the natives....
Yesterday the BV was about 7.21 or so....today it is $11+ with the new shares. Go peddle dilution elsewhere. BV increased for every holder and they got more shares.
But thank you for trying.
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: Remember in the 10K it says "The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71 ."
Then it says, ""The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimatedboo value of $11.78 ," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer."
Those aren't 6 free shares, that's dillution
Please do not annoy the natives....
Yesterday the BV was about 7.21 or so....today it is $11+ with the new shares. Go peddle dilution elsewhere. BV increased for every holder and they got more shares.
But thank you for trying.
Actually, you're wrong....the PR says the book value was $70.71 as of yesterday. So after the reset the book value is only worth 1/6 of that, but you have 6 more shares. It's easy to see.
Posted by a surfer on :
has any one discovered the difference in the two 10k's
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: The only thing I can't figure is ....If in two weeks, we hold 7x what we have now....at the same price it is .....You know damn well everyone and there brother is gunna be dumping shares on the market...
This will dilute the chit outta it and the PPS is commin down...
There will be tons of shares for the shorts to cover with and in two days we are in pennyland again
I am not totally up to speed here,,,,, but this just seems to reason....
whatcha think??
Gotta go to work now,,,
I'll check in when I can
Rat - Supply and demand will happen. We can't stop that. But you assume most want to sell and that no new information comes your way to support more valuation.
Like I have said....do not assume we know the whole story. Rufus has dropped information I have not yet seen discussed here.
This is only step 5 in the 12 step program....lol.
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: Remember in the 10K it says "The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71 ."
Then it says, ""The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimatedboo value of $11.78 ," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer."
Those aren't 6 free shares, that's dillution
Please do not annoy the natives....
Yesterday the BV was about 7.21 or so....today it is $11+ with the new shares. Go peddle dilution elsewhere. BV increased for every holder and they got more shares.
But thank you for trying.
Actually, you're wrong....the PR says the book value was $70.71 as of yesterday. So after the reset the book value is only worth 1/6 of that, but you have 6 more shares. It's easy to see.
Yes...the BV changed at the same time this and the share notification was released...move along sonny. Stop twisting the words of the document.
We have reset...it's done, it's over.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by imapoorcollegestudent: NEWS OUT!!! And it has nothing to do with saving money on my car insurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow what a night! My eye hurt from reading and hunting down info!
Posted by a surfer on :
portman Do you see any difference in the 10k from this morning>?????
Posted by a surfer on :
I have gone over both side by side.... I don't see any differences... WTF
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: portman Do you see any difference in the 10k from this morning>?????
I looked at the important part and I do not see a change there.
The company will deal with it...I am off to real work now.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
The difference is the hook that rufus used to drive the price down, the formula for the shares!!
The further it fell the MORE free shares we got!
Posted by Ace of Spades on :
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades:
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Ace of Spades: Remember in the 10K it says "The total current issued share of the corporation after the merger as of today, October 16, 2006 close of business is 103,135,657 giving the corporation a current estimated book value of $70.71 ."
Then it says, ""The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimatedboo value of $11.78 ," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer."
Those aren't 6 free shares, that's dillution
Please do not annoy the natives....
Yesterday the BV was about 7.21 or so....today it is $11+ with the new shares. Go peddle dilution elsewhere. BV increased for every holder and they got more shares.
But thank you for trying.
Actually, you're wrong....the PR says the book value was $70.71 as of yesterday. So after the reset the book value is only worth 1/6 of that, but you have 6 more shares. It's easy to see.
Yes...the BV changed at the same time this and the share notification was released...move along sonny. Stop twisting the words of the document.
We have reset...it's done, it's over.
I didn't twist one word. All the reset is, is 1/6 dillution. Reset = 1/6 Dillution. I didn't twist one thing from the PR. I don't know why people think they are getting free shares.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
That was talked about last night for some time.
It's ALL GOOD. Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: "We met the QUalifications for Nasdaq Tues of Last week!!!!!"
BUMP!!! Rufus on SPR last night!
Posted by 10of13 on :
Portman...It was nice to see that you were here this morning...and attempting to set everyyone straight... Have a great day....!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Hey cat I think this is the difference from the previous 10-k
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price
I believe on the original 10-k the date that was stated was October 30th for the calculations.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Chart did you empty your mail box? Thanks and all is good.... Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Let me post this one more time since it seems to apply so much..
reset pricing. The purchase price of the common stock or the conversion price of a convertible security is set either (i) at closing or (ii) on a specified date after closing and is subject to adjustment (downward or upward) based on various criteria that can include fundamental performance (operational reset), a specified event (event-driven reset), or the stock price of the issuer at a given point in time after closing (threshold price reset).
BUMP!!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Portman...It was nice to see that you were here this morning...and attempting to set everyyone straight... Have a great day....!
Bah, and what about all my ranting?
I get no respect! Posted by Kelroz on :
Its still dilution. Its shareholder dilution though so those with a good broker will get thier shares first and be able to SELL first.
I know this first hand from PAVC. I had shares in one account and sold the same day the shares were available. The other account did not give me my shares for over a week.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Hey cat I think this is the difference from the previous 10-k
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price
I believe on the original 10-k the date that was stated was October 30th for the calculations.
Yup, thats the ticket. That little typo did serious damage IMO
Posted by tompom on :
anyone has an answer to that settlement issue??
Posted by 10of13 on :
Cat...you have my love.... Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Cat...you have my love....
And thats all a man can ask for......
Posted by a surfer on :
rufus is on subpenny now. repeat from last night
Posted by a surfer on :
rufus advice go golfing or bowling for two weeks come back and watch your acct. grow by 600% ...LOL
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
So, anyone care to speculate what the closing pps would have been yesterday if the 10k had said Oct 16th in it? How about speculation as to how one of THE MOST IMPORTANT parts of the document was incorrect? Chart do you really believe it was typo´d on purpose? I mean, it worked out great for us but put the screws to folks that may have been on the fence yesterday. It definately cleared the house of daytraders and caught shorters off guard....i suppose its possible it was intentional, but i dont think we will ever know. Maybe some legal issues there? Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Hey cat I think this is the difference from the previous 10-k
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price
I believe on the original 10-k the date that was stated was October 30th for the calculations.
Yup, thats the ticket. That little typo did serious damage IMO
I'm not so sure it was a tyo Cat. I think it was kind of intentional.
Posted by a surfer on :
threshold reset. used commonly in the bond business.
Posted by Kelroz on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Hey cat I think this is the difference from the previous 10-k
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price
I believe on the original 10-k the date that was stated was October 30th for the calculations.
Yup, thats the ticket. That little typo did serious damage IMO
That is a big difference from this: I am thinking at this point anyone who sold yesterday now has a lawsuit against CSHD.
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Hey cat I think this is the difference from the previous 10-k
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price
I believe on the original 10-k the date that was stated was October 30th for the calculations.
Yup, thats the ticket. That little typo did serious damage IMO
I'm not so sure it was a tyo Cat. I think it was kind of intentional.
Yea, maybe so. But we should just forget it and move on. Shhhh Posted by Repoman75 on :
Soooooooooooooo.... we will hit $54 today?
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Hey cat I think this is the difference from the previous 10-k
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price
I believe on the original 10-k the date that was stated was October 30th for the calculations.
Yup, thats the ticket. That little typo did serious damage IMO
That is a big difference from this: I am thinking at this point anyone who sold yesterday now has a lawsuit against CSHD.
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Doesn't seem like that case would hold much water.
Posted by luvforever on :
First off folks listen to the man and read the new 10k.. It says we get the 6 for 1. now if you sell your shares, which he said you can...your original shares the others won't go into your account until on or around oct 30th you will be causeing the dilution...he stated if you have a gripe you are an arse, along with something about being greedy. Make sure it is in writting about selling the original shares cause if you don't have the right info you could screw yourselves!Then you wouldnt be able to blame anyone but yourselves. Like he said if you flip and sell etc you the shareholders cause the low pps, so whoever does it it's their own fault and when divys come for jvs and you are out well that's another oops for messsing around. He said to take 2 weeks off from the stock and it will be here he says whooo wee don't screw yourselves again by being left out next time.
Posted by 10of13 on :
In reality...no...but Jo was looking for you last night...she is in need of borrowing some of your itmes that you offered yesterday.
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Soooooooooooooo.... we will hit $54 today?
Posted by Kelroz on :
Stock manipulation and Stock Fraud for beginners.
Besides this is America and you dont need a case to hold much water. If Rufus does pull this off I am betting some of the bigger players who sold after the 10k posting yesterday will sue.
After all if the company does have 15B or whatever it can afford to pay someone off.
quote:Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz:
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Hey cat I think this is the difference from the previous 10-k
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price
I believe on the original 10-k the date that was stated was October 30th for the calculations.
Yup, thats the ticket. That little typo did serious damage IMO
That is a big difference from this: I am thinking at this point anyone who sold yesterday now has a lawsuit against CSHD.
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Doesn't seem like that case would hold much water.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Soooooooooooooo.... we will hit $54 today?
Id be happy with $2 today
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Soooooooooooooo.... we will hit $54 today?
technically over $70 now repo...LOL
Posted by 10of13 on :
Kelroz I do remember seeing a very large section in the filing explaining the risks of "trading penny stocks" Is that explanation usually in 10k's?
Posted by kilikili on :
Originally Posted by ConCarne from *** Let's look into the short trade a bit more...
Say someone was short 1000 shares at the end of trading yesterday. Because of the short elimination they must deliver 7000 shares by 10/30 to whoever sits on the long side of their short trade. 6000 to cover the 6:1 distribution and 1000 for the original short trade.
If held at a brokerage like TDA, the short position will be marked with a pending capital requirement equivalent to the estimated value of the distribution owned. In this case it'll be 7,000 * $11.78 at worst case - best case it'll be 7,000 * current price. A huge new capital requirement.
All retail and naked short accounts are now capital negative and will be required to recapitalize their account or be cleared. The broker holds the liability and will liquidate any risk to their business it capital requirements aren't met. It's called a margin call.
If the capital requirement is met, the short is required to deliver real shares at the distribution date. What is owed is 7,000 shares to the long side of the trade. A naked short will have to go to the market to acquire real shares for delivery. They are required to close the naked positon T-3 by buying the current float. The trading halt to clear the distribution mandates that the short side has to have shares in hand before the distribution hence the T-3 requirement here (brilliant!).
The short side has to acquire 7X the shorted shares by next Tuesday or be outted as the originating broker of a naked short position that by REG SHO had to be cleared months ago.
Consider the buy pressure coming into CSHD.
So, if you knew the big game was next Tuesday, why are you even considering scalping your primo box seats in front of the stadium today?
Know who is on the other side of your trade.
Anyone considering selling today does not understand how the short side of this trade is going to get cleared.
Those selling tomorrow will be "without".
Posted by Kelroz on :
Dont know. Just saying that date change in the 10k/A is a HUGE difference. I thought Rufus was already walking a tight rope with all his talk show and msg. board ramblings.
I DID sell half my shares yesterday and will be selling the other half today as there is no reason to hold them any longer.
I am sure I will be back in for a bounce play before 10/30 though.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Kelroz I do remember seeing a very large section in the filing explaining the risks of "trading penny stocks" Is that explanation usually in 10k's?
Posted by luvforever on :
oh I do believe him saying the greed part about those flippin cause he wants to make sure everyone has 7 digits in their accounts but if you got caught or were scared you didn't do your dd or didn't know what you were gonna have... I tell ya believe in this company...from day one no on has scared me! Congrads to all those who stood true! Hope the flippin was worth itand thanks for bringing down the pps so we got more shares!!!!! Love it all.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: In reality...no...but Jo was looking for you last night...she is in need of borrowing some of your itmes that you offered yesterday.
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Soooooooooooooo.... we will hit $54 today?
Ohhhh Jo, my favorite protege... good thing she has a bulk of cash in FRPT. I'm sure I'll catch her today, when the rest of the cult rolls out of bed for breakfast.
Pancakes anyone?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Rufus on SPR last night:
"Everythings been a stargegic move for the shareholders"
"Getting several hundred million in interest!"
They have 15 Billion total that can be booked which is available right now. It's not an overnight deal. we have been working on this for a long time.
Rufus said Right- NOT DILUTION!!!
"The Big Show is always the plan" reffering to Nasdaq
"PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
RUFUS:
A share issuance due to a reorganization through a merger. These are not dividend shares or forward splits. It's been filed since the original 8K merger agreement.
These shares will NOT be restricted If you sold today your out of luck, if you bought today you get the 6, no settlment waiting or anything
"Go away for 2 weeks, play soccer, go fishin' do whatever, in 2 weeks your new shares will be there."
[more quotes coming..]
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: Dont know. Just saying that date change in the 10k/A is a HUGE difference. I thought Rufus was already walking a tight rope with all his talk show and msg. board ramblings.
I DID sell half my shares yesterday and will be selling the other half today as there is no reason to hold them any longer.
I am sure I will be back in for a bounce play before 10/30 though.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Kelroz I do remember seeing a very large section in the filing explaining the risks of "trading penny stocks" Is that explanation usually in 10k's?
Every company has these types of disclaimers in Filings, even IBM. They are industry norm. Verbiage may differ, but normal.
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: Dont know. Just saying that date change in the 10k/A is a HUGE difference. I thought Rufus was already walking a tight rope with all his talk show and msg. board ramblings.
I DID sell half my shares yesterday and will be selling the other half today as there is no reason to hold them any longer.
I am sure I will be back in for a bounce play before 10/30 though.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Kelroz I do remember seeing a very large section in the filing explaining the risks of "trading penny stocks" Is that explanation usually in 10k's?
Every company has these types of disclaimers in Filings, even IBM. They are industry norm. Verbiage may differ, but normal.
Kelroz-
I dont understand why you would sell the 2nd half of your holdings?
Posted by luvforever on :
No folks nolawsuits he he its the stocks you either sell or hold to get what it's worth! If you wanted money now (greed) you sold if you wanted more money(smart) you held! Just like if u thought it was going down u sold if scared and wanted to save some but if u know what this co is you held and trusted same as any other trade with any other stock.......He warned everyone did you heed to his words????? glta
Posted by kilikili on :
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: If Rufus does pull this off I am betting some of the bigger players who sold after the 10k posting yesterday will sue.
Why would they sue? Those who sold, sold on their own free will. They were never told to sell.
Posted by Kelroz on :
No reason to hold them. You DONT get anything for holding your shares today. You will still get your 6 for 1 extra shares for anything you held as of yesterdays close.
I *think* the price will go down between now and 10/30. So I will sell on the next spike and buy back for a nice bounce next week.
Remember though I am a trader and not a *real* long.
quote:Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: Dont know. Just saying that date change in the 10k/A is a HUGE difference. I thought Rufus was already walking a tight rope with all his talk show and msg. board ramblings.
I DID sell half my shares yesterday and will be selling the other half today as there is no reason to hold them any longer.
I am sure I will be back in for a bounce play before 10/30 though.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Kelroz I do remember seeing a very large section in the filing explaining the risks of "trading penny stocks" Is that explanation usually in 10k's?
Every company has these types of disclaimers in Filings, even IBM. They are industry norm. Verbiage may differ, but normal.
Kelroz-
I dont understand why you would sell the 2nd half of your holdings?
Posted by NEL on :
Morning all. Gotta take the kiddies to school. See ya all before the bell. Ding, ding, ding, DONG!!!!!
Posted by Kelroz on :
You guys are not seeing what I am saying about a lawsuit. Read the difference in the 10ks.
He CHANGED the DIVY DATE after trading hours. PPL sold thinking they could get back in by 10/30 and then he changed it to 10/16 locking those SAME people out. I have NEVER seen that done before.
Again this is America and you can sue for ANYTHING! Question is would it be worth it?
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: No folks nolawsuits he he its the stocks you either sell or hold to get what it's worth! If you wanted money now (greed) you sold if you wanted more money(smart) you held! Just like if u thought it was going down u sold if scared and wanted to save some but if u know what this co is you held and trusted same as any other trade with any other stock.......He warned everyone did you heed to his words????? glta
Posted by 10of13 on :
kilikili Not sure that one can start a lawsuit for being impatient...LOL an dthat would be the only reason anyone sold yesterday...because they didn't want to wait...I don't see any lawsuits...
And Kelroz: Careful selling..not sure that you will get the actual 6 extra shares if you do that...and you may end up having to "pay for the difference" I don't know...I am just saying...Careful careful!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Rufus quotes #2: [special thanks to Wally and Jenna!!]
"Evrything's starting from here I said after the 10K the ball starts rolling, now it's all down here from here."
The reset was posted in the filings from the original 8K to the 8KA. It's not a forward split per say, it's an issuance of shares due to a reset based on the reorganization merger.
That's what I've gleaned from RUFUS. He just mentioned PIPE resets. Not normal here on the OTCBB but normal on bigger stocks.
Q:Was it part of the plan all along?
A: This was all layed out... This way he doesn't need approval, knew he was going to do it this was from the beginning
"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
"We met the Qualifications for Nasdaq Tues of Last week!!!!!"
Said that CSHD has met the requirements for uplisting since last Tuesday- and to watch for news.
"Go read documents ver carefully.........JV's do not receive any funds until we file S3's"
Q: If the PPS is below $11 on the 30th will you reset to $11?
A: No, you've all recieved your shares... we're giving you the money.....it's for your benefit, it's for your liquidity, not ours"
Rufus said he still has some ACES up his sleeve!
Q: If the PPS stays at around $2 / share in January, then what?
A; "Impossible, these's a few more steps in the ladder, if it does that I'll be one surprised puppy.
Q: Why wait 'til the 30th?
A:Because I have to let Nasdaq know.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
Posted by 10of13 on :
Still the same deal...just a different date...You can't sue someone because you are impatient...
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: You guys are not seeing what I am saying about a lawsuit. Read the difference in the 10ks.
He CHANGED the DIVY DATE after trading hours. PPL sold thinking they could get back in by 10/30 and then he changed it to 10/16 locking those SAME people out. I have NEVER seen that done before.
Again this is America and you can sue for ANYTHING! Question is would it be worth it?
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: No folks nolawsuits he he its the stocks you either sell or hold to get what it's worth! If you wanted money now (greed) you sold if you wanted more money(smart) you held! Just like if u thought it was going down u sold if scared and wanted to save some but if u know what this co is you held and trusted same as any other trade with any other stock.......He warned everyone did you heed to his words????? glta
Posted by Kelroz on :
God you dont understand. I am beginning to understand Repo's koolaid remarks today.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Still the same deal...just a different date...You can't sue someone because you are impatient...
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: You guys are not seeing what I am saying about a lawsuit. Read the difference in the 10ks.
He CHANGED the DIVY DATE after trading hours. PPL sold thinking they could get back in by 10/30 and then he changed it to 10/16 locking those SAME people out. I have NEVER seen that done before.
Again this is America and you can sue for ANYTHING! Question is would it be worth it?
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: No folks nolawsuits he he its the stocks you either sell or hold to get what it's worth! If you wanted money now (greed) you sold if you wanted more money(smart) you held! Just like if u thought it was going down u sold if scared and wanted to save some but if u know what this co is you held and trusted same as any other trade with any other stock.......He warned everyone did you heed to his words????? glta
Posted by trade04 on :
are those buyers rufus was talking about coming????????????
Posted by Chartwalker on :
last one, Rufus SPR:
Q: Do you believe it can go to $100?
A: Yes
Q: When?
A: in a few weeks!!
It's up to the shareholder...starve the beast....if you don't flip it hold it, name your price...if you starve the beast..he will go away.......if no one sold for 2 weeks there's no telling where the PPS can go!!!!
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
Posted by Kelroz on :
OH.
IF you just bought yesterday I would wait at least 3 days before selling to make sure they are clear in your account.
Posted by trade04 on :
so if i sold all * 3.80 and dont have shares i cant get the fwd split shares?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Chart did you empty your mail box? Thanks and all is good....
ok emptied some, thx!
I'm VERY glad to hear that... Best news 10!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
So I don't have to read through 1000000 posts, can someone summarize in 4 sentences or less, what is happening to the stock - dividend, split, or reset? What is the ex date? And when and HOW is this going to be listed on the NASDAQ? Then I'll give my commentary.
Posted by luvforever on :
Quote: Originally Posted by chevyrider I'M TAKING THIS TIME TO WRITE THIS TO ALL THE SHAREHOLDERS. JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE POST AND YOU CAN SEE SOME SHAREHOLDER ARE STILL UNGREATFUL. OUR CEO HAS SAID HE HAS DONE HIS PART NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO DO OUR PART. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU SOLD YOUR SHARE AND WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR YOU TO GET YOUR EXTRA SHARES AND THEY TELL YOU NO WHAT WILL YOU DO. JUST REMEMBER THE LONGER YOU HOLD THE LESS AMOUNT OF SHARES YOU HAVE TO SELL. IN OTHER WORDS OUR CEO IS ASKING FOR US TO DO OUR PART AND I FOR ONE WILL NOT LET HIM DOWN. THANK YOU GOD FOR THIS GREAT OPORTUNITY
Big-ass BUMP
Posted by 10of13 on :
Kelroz I understnad completely...and I thought the smae things last night..I was one that sold some yesterday and was pissed to hear of it being a different date..but after thinking about it..what leg would I have? It was misleading, yes...BUT because I chose to sell and get back in later? Because I was imaptient or wanted to make some money else where over 2 weeks and then buy back in? Because I wanted to benefit myself before buying more of this to get the free shares? I have a lawsuit? I can't see it anymore... Kool-aide? tryin' to cut back..but thanks...
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
Starve the beast and he will go away...
Posted by luvforever on :
People please read this is NOT A FORWARD split this was the 15 reset! You were with or without now you must wait to catch the next ride but there will be more so dont fret My opinion...
Posted by bigstocks on :
Repo said: So I don't have to read through 1000000 posts, can someone summarize in 4 sentences or less, what is happening to the stock - dividend, split, or reset? What is the ex date? And when and HOW is this going to be listed on the NASDAQ? Then I'll give my commentary. Are you going to post a picture?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: So I don't have to read through 1000000 posts, can someone summarize in 4 sentences or less, what is happening to the stock - dividend, split, or reset? What is the ex date? And when and HOW is this going to be listed on the NASDAQ? Then I'll give my commentary.
Best I can do... [thanks Wally and Jenna]
Rufus on SPR last night:
"Everythings been a strategic move for the shareholders"
"Getting several hundred million in interest!"
They have 15 Billion total that can be booked which is available right now. It's not an overnight deal. we have been working on this for a long time.
Rufus said Right- NOT DILUTION!!!
"The Big Show is always the plan" reffering to Nasdaq
"PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
RUFUS:
A share issuance due to a reorganization through a merger. These are not dividend shares or forward splits. It's been filed since the original 8K merger agreement.
These shares will NOT be restricted If you sold today your out of luck, if you bought today you get the 6, no settlment waiting or anything
"Go away for 2 weeks, play soccer, go fishin' do whatever, in 2 weeks your new shares will be there."
"Evrything's starting from here I said after the 10K the ball starts rolling, now it's all down here from here."
The reset was posted in the filings from the original 8K to the 8KA. It's not a forward split per say, it's an issuance of shares due to a reset based on the reorganization merger.
That's what I've gleaned from RUFUS. He just mentioned PIPE resets. Not normal here on the OTCBB but normal on bigger stocks.
Q:Was it part of the plan all along?
A: This was all layed out... This way he doesn't need approval, knew he was going to do it this was from the beginning
"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
"We met the Qualifications for Nasdaq Tues of Last week!!!!!"
Said that CSHD has met the requirements for uplisting since last Tuesday- and to watch for news.
"Go read documents ver carefully.........JV's do not receive any funds until we file S3's"
Q: If the PPS is below $11 on the 30th will you reset to $11?
A: No, you've all recieved your shares... we're giving you the money.....it's for your benefit, it's for your liquidity, not ours"
Rufus said he still has some ACES up his sleeve!
Q: If the PPS stays at around $2 / share in January, then what?
A; "Impossible, these's a few more steps in the ladder, if it does that I'll be one surprised puppy.
Q: Why wait 'til the 30th?
A:Because I have to let Nasdaq know.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
Q: Do you believe it can go to $100?
A: Yes
Q: When?
A: in a few weeks!!
It's up to the shareholder...starve the beast....if you don't flip it hold it, name your price...if you starve the beast..he will go away.......if no one sold for 2 weeks there's no telling where the PPS can go!!!!
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: So I don't have to read through 1000000 posts, can someone summarize in 4 sentences or less, what is happening to the stock - dividend, split, or reset? What is the ex date? And when and HOW is this going to be listed on the NASDAQ? Then I'll give my commentary.
Repo read the 10k and the P.R. if you are so inclined. Don't waste shareholders time.
Posted by 10of13 on :
It is a reorginization reset. The current shareholders wil get 6 shares for every 1 share they hold as of October 16th. That's it in a nut shell...the current PPS (before the shares) was $70 and change...with the added shares of 6+1..it is now 11 and change and growing...sooootake it for what it's worth...dilution? somewhat...but it is a reorignization and many added assets.
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: So I don't have to read through 1000000 posts, can someone summarize in 4 sentences or less, what is happening to the stock - dividend, split, or reset? What is the ex date? And when and HOW is this going to be listed on the NASDAQ? Then I'll give my commentary.
Posted by 66inxs on :
don't you think that the market's take on what happened and the pps on the 30th is what we're dealing with right now? if i have 60k shares worth .008 what have i gained even if i get 6 times that? if the market percieves dilution, then this is going to tank imho. we will get to see in the next hour or so where the market thinks this is going.
btw, that stack of pncakes sure looks good !
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Do NOT listen to Kelroz. Get the facts before selling a single share between now and Oct 30th! The general consensus does NOT fit with with he is saying.
Dont listen to me either. GET THE FACTS!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Again...
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Again...
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
i remember reading specifically fwd split
y do i get the feeling im being ignored
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Personally...
If someone is thinking about selling you simply do not understand what you have!!!!!
I'm NOT SELLING NO WAY NO HOW!!!!!
over 6 BILLION hitting the assets this nov. 15th on the 10q people!!!!! We have already SEEN the bonds! Posted by 10of13 on :
No..no shares...
quote:Originally posted by trade04: so if i sold all * 3.80 and dont have shares i cant get the fwd split shares?
Posted by Kelroz on :
I am not telling anyone to sell. I said that I am looking to sell! People need to make thier own decisions.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Do NOT listen to Kelroz. Get the facts before selling a single share between now and Oct 30th! The general consensus does NOT fit with with he is saying.
Dont listen to me either. GET THE FACTS!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Again...
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
i remember reading specifically fwd split
y do i get the feeling im being ignored
Sorry, but I have to stick with what Rufus said. And that is what he said Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Its not a forward split. nope, nada, kein...NOPE
Posted by luvforever on :
Yes but the mm want to scare you cause if you sell they get real shares and wont have to cover x6 if they cover with you because you gave them your shares and you will cause the dilution by selling he he Rufus just gave the shareholders the noose! He is no longer responsible for the dilution he gave that responsibility to us the shareholders and is hoping we are smart enough to NOT FEED THE BEAST! Let's see what happens Are we strong enough to hold and be responsible for our destiny? Or are we scared and not know what the hel$ we are doing? Well It can go to 100 but i am not selling I am setting me and my family up so we have that 7 figure and will continue to hold half years down the road for my kids and grandkids !!! Are you scared or are you strong? Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: I am not telling anyone to sell. I said that I am looking to sell! People need to make thier own decisions.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Do NOT listen to Kelroz. Get the facts before selling a single share between now and Oct 30th! The general consensus does NOT fit with with he is saying.
Dont listen to me either. GET THE FACTS!
Im not saying that you did tell someone to do so. But, you are pretending to know what will happen with the 6:1 share deal if you were to sell today. If you sell and re-buy what will be the purchase date on your shares on Oct 30th? I know it WONT be Oct 16th or earlier
Posted by Kelroz on :
These are shares in a cash account that I have held for months. My name will be on the holders list as of 10/16 so I am not worried.
However if you bought Last wendsday or later you may want to hold for 3 days from purchase to make sure that the shares in your account clear.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer:
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: I am not telling anyone to sell. I said that I am looking to sell! People need to make thier own decisions.
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Do NOT listen to Kelroz. Get the facts before selling a single share between now and Oct 30th! The general consensus does NOT fit with with he is saying.
Dont listen to me either. GET THE FACTS!
Im not saying that you did tell someone to do so. But, you are pretending to know what will happen with the 6:1 share deal if you were to sell today. If you sell and re-buy what will be the purchase date on your shares on Oct 30th? I know it WONT be Oct 16th or earlier
Posted by Kelroz on :
Posted by djg7 on :
MMs will bring the price down over the next few days to shake the weak hands. Make your own decision as to whether you want to give up your shares. It's gapping down premarket. No biggie. I'm long like many of you. MMs will control the price until 10/30 when the price reset takes place and move to NASDAQ.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
In otherwords....
Sell and you SCREW yourself out of 6 FREE share's per share that you have!
1000 = 6000 shares at EOM Posted by bilgert on :
Well, after some time to think about what has transpired, and some intermittent sleeping and listening to Rufus on subpennyradio, I feel a little bit better about what he's doing. If I were going to rate my feelings at this time, it would be 'cautiously optimistic'.
In all likelihood, a $15 reset would have provoked a massive sell off. Honestly, I would have been tempted to sell at those levels- accepeting $12, $11, $10- whatever. Now, with this b*stardized interpretation of "C" he more or less forces me to hold, and also puts the shorts in a position where they might feel obliged to cover. So in a sense, he pins the supply and demand and hopefully this limited supply will stimulate buying and move the PPS.
To me, to make this work, Rufus has 2 obligations to the shareholders now: 1) to support the PPS and 2)Demonstrate in clear terms to existing, and more importantly new shareholders the value of this company. Rufus may believe that bonds increase the value of the company, but although he can borrow or generate interest against them- their liquidity is limited. He needs to talk about deals, investments- things real investors can understand. Bonds and book value are a difficult and unsexy concept for most.
Even though Rufus believes the book value, on the strength of the bond to be $11.78, post dilution- it doesn't mean much if the market doesn't respond. And MM manipulation, short positions won't matter. The perceived strength of the company from investors is paramount to the success of this company.
Take for example 2 companies I have once had positions in: Tricell (TCLL) and Nanobac Pharmaceuticals Inc.(NNBP)
Tricell has fantastic earnings and can claim assets of arounf 237 million dollars. With an a/s of 500 million, the book value could translate to about .48. TCLL closed yesterday at .295
Granted, sometimes these studies are bogus, but still it's out there. After a nice rise to .36 a few weeks ago, NNBP closed yesterday at .16. And on the flip side, look at Google, since Mike Alexander is prone to bring it up. It's book value is TINY, relative to its PPS but it continues to move along on investor buzz and forecasted future value.
I'm not saying that the companies above and CSHD are undervalued- but that means little if the market has no demand for it. I think we have to approach CSHD in this manner. Just cause Rufus says it's worth X dollars, and even if it IS worth X dollars, it doesn't mean that it will be reflected in the share price.
By and large- it seems Rufus has good intentions, but I believe sometimes his fervor and slightly reckless and haphazard attitude. It is refreshing to see a candid and fearless CEO though. It's one of the reasons I have stayed with CSHD so long and rebought/ added to my position on dips. Make your own informed decision though and good luck.
It's GO TIME! Good luck everybody.
Posted by luvforever on :
Remember how everyone was yelling at rufas cause he did or didnt do what you wanted him to do well he turned it to the shareholders so to speak if you sell now for greed and cause the lower pps its you they will be yelling at so do what you want and do your dd so you know what you are doingthis is all my opinion and am not telling you to sell or hold its your money and the pps are our responsibility now!!! I love it we will see what happens we will see the ones who have not done their dd i am not pumping or bashing just read the 10k and understand it and listen to him! glta
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Kelroz it was my original understanding that if you held the shares on Oct 16th you were all set. But, A LOT of people around the net are saying different.
I just want people to understand the POSSIBE mistake of selling before the 30th. If someone knows factual info regarding this then please explain.
Posted by djg7 on :
Thats the way I read it Chart. Why would you want to sell when you will receive free shares on 10/30 and price reset? No brainer.
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: In otherwords....
Sell and you SCREW yourself out of 6 FREE share's per share that you have!
1000 = 6000 shares at EOM
1000 now = 7000 EOM
Posted by luvforever on :
Now were getting it! I really believe we got a good board here, though sometimes a rude awaking seeing some post ya gotta just leave and if you are easily influenced by peeps you dont know, you are only hurting your own wallet! DO your dd your own!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
those numbers are from after market YESTERDAY!!
We are gapping UP from it!!!!!!!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: those numbers are from after market YESTERDAY!!
We are gapping UP from it!!!!!!!!!
Going up fast now!!
This is gonna be fun
Posted by bigstocks on :
Was just gonna say that Chart, were gappin up.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
after market was 1.76, Bid is NOW ABOVE ASK!!!
.... now ask is 1.82!!!
still gapping up!! Posted by djg7 on :
Gapping up now not what I expected. 1.81 x 1.82
Posted by bigstocks on :
1.85
Posted by Kelroz on :
If Rufus would actually PROVE he can use one of those bonds to fund a JV I wouldnt think of selling at this price.
Posted by luvforever on :
Quote: Originally Posted by chevyrider I'M TAKING THIS TIME TO WRITE THIS TO ALL THE SHAREHOLDERS. JUST LOOKING AT SOME OF THE POST AND YOU CAN SEE SOME SHAREHOLDER ARE STILL UNGREATFUL. OUR CEO HAS SAID HE HAS DONE HIS PART NOW IT'S TIME FOR US TO DO OUR PART. WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF YOU SOLD YOUR SHARE AND WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR YOU TO GET YOUR EXTRA SHARES AND THEY TELL YOU NO WHAT WILL YOU DO. JUST REMEMBER THE LONGER YOU HOLD THE LESS AMOUNT OF SHARES YOU HAVE TO SELL. IN OTHER WORDS OUR CEO IS ASKING FOR US TO DO OUR PART AND I FOR ONE WILL NOT LET HIM DOWN. THANK YOU GOD FOR THIS GREAT OPORTUNITY
Big-ass BUMP i couldnt say it any better!
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
Wonder if there are orders from mis-informed souls that think they have till the 30th? I'd be pissed about that.
Posted by mlfox on :
Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who always push the - Do your own DD - mantra. I followed this advice and have researched this company and verified all the work that was done here the last few months. It has definitely paid off in the end. The time spent learning this company for myself gave me the resolve to ride out the storm and hold strong. Looking forward to the next few weeks to see what else is in store for us.
Congrats and thanks to all. Posted by portman on :
lmao...repo drinking the Koolaid...now THERE is a laugh.
Thanks...I needed that this morning.
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: God you dont understand. I am beginning to understand Repo's koolaid remarks today.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Still the same deal...just a different date...You can't sue someone because you are impatient...
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: You guys are not seeing what I am saying about a lawsuit. Read the difference in the 10ks.
He CHANGED the DIVY DATE after trading hours. PPL sold thinking they could get back in by 10/30 and then he changed it to 10/16 locking those SAME people out. I have NEVER seen that done before.
Again this is America and you can sue for ANYTHING! Question is would it be worth it?
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: No folks nolawsuits he he its the stocks you either sell or hold to get what it's worth! If you wanted money now (greed) you sold if you wanted more money(smart) you held! Just like if u thought it was going down u sold if scared and wanted to save some but if u know what this co is you held and trusted same as any other trade with any other stock.......He warned everyone did you heed to his words????? glta
Posted by Chartwalker on :
If you understand what you have... These prices are a deal!!!
Rufus said we have now met the NAZ requirements!
Said to watch for PR! We have a 10q coming out Nov 15th that will more then support a NAZ move!
Look at the BIG PICTURE here people!
This thing is going to be HUGE IMO!!!
Look at premarket!!!
We are now at 1.86!!!!!!!
Posted by portman on :
It's all air baby....they got nothing this morning.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: If Rufus would actually PROVE he can use one of those bonds to fund a JV I wouldnt think of selling at this price.
PROOF!
[Rufus last nifght said]
"Getting several hundred million in interest!"
and....
They have 15 Billion total that can be booked which is available right now. It's not an overnight deal. we have been working on this for a long time.
Posted by luvforever on :
Now remember , especially those who will get sick when they see their accounts shrinking as the pps goes down...if you do not sell the pps will rise so stand strong and hold if you can then and only then if you DO NOT FEED THE BEAST, we wil see maybe 100 in two weeks like Rufas said its greed or you knnow what you have and will wait for that 7 figure in your account my opinion do not sell or hold because of me do your dd..
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: If Rufus would actually PROVE he can use one of those bonds to fund a JV I wouldnt think of selling at this price.
Not sure who you are. But your a newbie and I would select your words carefully. I have no doubt that our CEO is a genious. If people don't see that now they should sale and move on. Mods, can we please keep the crap out a little better than yesterday. GLTY
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Hey what if we move to NAZ before the 10q? If we already meet the requirements. Move to Naz then release the 10q on a board where there's less manipulation?
Posted by luvforever on :
He also said the halt would be 3 days to go to nasdaq... so if you are weak and need the money make your decision to take it out etc... It may happen sooner than later cause the 10q is done he said...My opinion is after the 30th and 10q will be early for once early LOL Posted by portman on :
Lovely volume....not unexpected though...can you smell the fear?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
about 16,000 share's sold in premarket already
ASK keeps going up, bid keep following
1.87 ASK
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Hey what if we move to NAZ before the 10q? If we already meet the requirements. Move to Naz then release the 10q on a board where there's less manipulation?
that's what I understood after speaking with Ben last night!!
Posted by cassity on :
I liked Rufus's comment last night. He said, "This should be checkmate". He also said if they don't let it go now, he'll just keep hitting them with more deals. Said he has a few more ACES up his sleeve!
Posted by portman on :
tick tick tick...
MM on the street with sign..."I need shares"
Posted by a surfer on :
oh boy!!!!!
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: I liked Rufus's comment last night. He said, "This should be checkmate". He also said if they don't let it go now, he'll just keep hitting them with more deals. Said he has a few more ACES up his sleeve!
I would say at this point they have to actually say...maybe he does after so many..
Posted by djg7 on :
If Rufus has more ACES up his sleeve I'm not playing poker with him.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
1.92 now!!
When we go to the NAZ we are going to be Rich!
remember as Price goes up those Institutional investors have CONTRACTS to BUY the CRAP out of it!!! LOL ~~
Perfect storm!!
Posted by thedoctor on :
Good morning everyone...Can anyone tell me why anyone would sell this morning ?
Posted by portman on :
New sign...."Will work for shares"
Posted by Chartwalker on :
1.97!!
Someone has seen the light!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
how funny if rufus released the pr that we are halting trading and our application for listing on the NASDAQ has been approved and we are moving there immediately. Now that would be funny Posted by cassity on :
Jo, you are the only person I know on this board that I feel bad for saling yesterday. I know what has happened the last several months and I completely understand why you would've sold. I'm really sorry to hear that you did, but I believe there is still HUGE growth left in the PPS of CSHD. GLTY Posted by TaxBack04 on :
morning!
Posted by bigstocks on :
1.99
Posted by a surfer on :
oh boy!!!!!
Posted by kilikili on :
MM's are now 6x desperate.
IMO
Posted by a surfer on :
I see 2.50 no problem by 10A.M.
Posted by dog on :
all i can say about the last 24 hours....
Rufus is brilliant... the master of finance. We are lucky..... nah.. don't 100% believe in luck. We did the DD .. leveraged in as best we could... now are rewarded for it . They won't be able to stop the PPS 2 weeks from now.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I feel bad for Jo also. I do think IMO that even with out the extra shares you could still make good money on this thing.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
RUN FOREST RUN!!!!!! LMAO!!
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: So I don't have to read through 1000000 posts, can someone summarize in 4 sentences or less, what is happening to the stock - dividend, split, or reset? What is the ex date? And when and HOW is this going to be listed on the NASDAQ? Then I'll give my commentary.
Hey Repo. One thing that nobody here has been able to explain is that Rufus stated that Due Bills are attatched and that if you sell your shares you are selling them with the 1+6. On the flip side he also states that if you buy shares now you do not get the "divy". It does not add up - YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. Your an expert Repo - how do the "due bills attatch" just vanish in the transaction?
Posted by luvforever on :
so here's my big q who is really gonna sell? Or should I ask who is scared LOL ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
Posted by dog on :
Feel horrible for those that sold.... we were warned over and over. It's what kept me from flipping or being "without" overnight, despite while all my flipper friends were telling "why don't you sell? The pps will be lower tomorrow or the next day."
Posted by RyanPBF on :
you know dog for me this TDA fiasco of not being able to buy. Probably saved my rear end because I wouldn't sell not being able to buy back in.
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Morning Posted by Chartwalker on :
Don't loose your 6 free shares! -don't sell IMO...
But you can do what you want...
Look how low the volume is!! Ha ~ who's gonna sell?!!! LOL!!
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: you know dog for me this TDA fiasco of not being able to buy. Probably saved my rear end because I wouldn't sell not being able to buy back in.
I was thinking the same thing..... blessing in disguise.
People are their own worst enemy on this one...
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Can someone show me in the 10-K where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Posted by luvforever on :
Everything happens for a reason and there is a consequence for every action... Those here know this! Posted by 10of13 on :
Is BOFA a new MM?
Posted by liquidmetal on :
Wow I just read that PR so is this great news? or is this just going to dilute our pps?
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Don't loose your 6 free shares! -don't sell IMO...
But you can do what you want...
Look how low the volume is!! Ha ~ who's gonna sell?!!! LOL!!
No way in hell I'm gonna sell for at least a year. Now I got a boatload of shares... not gonna give the IRS an extra 20%.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Don't loose your 6 free shares! -don't sell IMO...
But you can do what you want...
Look how low the volume is!! Ha ~ who's gonna sell?!!! LOL!!
Any one that sells at this point has screws loose
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: so here's my big q who is really gonna sell? Or should I ask who is scared LOL ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!
A buddy of mine maybe? I am trying to get a hold of her but have had no luck. She is not that experienced and has a GTC at $13 on her whole holdings. I am trying to reach her, so she can cancel the GTC order...
Good thing is it has a ways to go. Bad thing is it may go there with the number of shares she has sitting there and the pressure applied today.
Common! pick up the phone!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by liquidmetal: Wow I just read that PR so is this great news? or is this just going to dilute our pps?
Rufus said Right- NOT DILUTION!!!
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
Posted by frank021474 on :
What if they crush the PPS and we have more assets and JV money? Rufus mentioned "cash dividend".
Get in now while you can at a cheap price.
This is the gift that keeps on giving! IMO
Posted by NEL on :
Every stock I own today is green, looks like a landmark day!
Posted by luvforever on :
Now everyone knows what they have? Please , if you sell now do not cry here.. Do your dd ... Know what you have find it and be comfortable, please. Posted by Chartwalker on :
up .40 and not even 500,000 shares sold!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
we have a book value of 70.71 and we're trading at $2 and change, ROFLMAO!!! If you don't understand what Rufus has done, you don't deserve his gifts!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
I really can't believe that people are actually selling! I understand the buying... Posted by luvforever on :
also folks if this is not in writing about selling your originals before the 30th id be very careful as to not getting left behind and not getting your free 6x shares my opinion only, I know im not gonna miss it...are you? Posted by RyanPBF on :
arca really trying to pick up shares
Posted by dog on :
Goodbye NITE! LOL
Posted by luvforever on :
It's your money and your shares but do not cry and blame it on someone else you know te rules especially in stocks!! Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by liquidmetal: Wow I just read that PR so is this great news? or is this just going to dilute our pps?
You need to go read, but Rufus said that they added enough assets to offset the dilution. GLTY
Posted by JHenry on :
There will be a lot of people jumping on to try and get the divy.
Posted by Porkchop Jihad on :
I wonder if this is where Rufus Attends?
Posted by liquidmetal on :
Who gets the 6x shares? Is it only for those of us that hold shares as of yesterdays close? Or is it anyone for the Oct 31st close?
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Kelroz...I don't think you understand. Can you imagine the look on the judges face when this case is brought to him? He would say..."Let me get this clear...The 10-K stated that you would receive a multiple number of additional shares for every share you currently hold on October 30th...and you ran out and immediately sold your shares?!?!? And now you want me to feel sorry for you because you did not understand how stock splits work?!?! What, you really thought they would / could tell you that you have the next 2 weeks to load up on shares because they are going to give you more shares on October 30th. Wouldn't that be consisdered insider information if you knew that ahead of time? Get the heck out of my courtroom!!!".
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: God you dont understand. I am beginning to understand Repo's koolaid remarks today.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Still the same deal...just a different date...You can't sue someone because you are impatient...
quote:Originally posted by Kelroz: You guys are not seeing what I am saying about a lawsuit. Read the difference in the 10ks.
He CHANGED the DIVY DATE after trading hours. PPL sold thinking they could get back in by 10/30 and then he changed it to 10/16 locking those SAME people out. I have NEVER seen that done before.
Again this is America and you can sue for ANYTHING! Question is would it be worth it?
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: No folks nolawsuits he he its the stocks you either sell or hold to get what it's worth! If you wanted money now (greed) you sold if you wanted more money(smart) you held! Just like if u thought it was going down u sold if scared and wanted to save some but if u know what this co is you held and trusted same as any other trade with any other stock.......He warned everyone did you heed to his words????? glta
Posted by SherriT on :
Good gravy you guys talked a lot last night! Slow down so I can catch up LOL...
At least it looks like I don't have to repeat my comment about the Phoenix crapping on our windshields!
Posted by NEL on :
Looks like Rufus "recommended" a grea brokerage for all of us...
Merrill Lynch earnings jump 43 percent New York-based investment bank swamps analyst estimates courtesy of its recent merger with BlackRock.
This is my formal plea to all our of family here on the CSHD thread...PLEASE do not flip. You can flip whatever stock you'd like for all I care, anything in the world, just not CSHD. Rufus explicitly stated that the squeeze can and will drive this thing to the moon. PLEASE...some members have said, "well, it'll get me more cshd shares, because I really believe in the company!!" You've had your chance to get all the shares you want, and now youre gonna get 7x whatever you have now. it's ENOUGH...if you really want shares that badly, BUY THEM. you flipping could hurt the stock so much that the shares you might gain will be worth less in total than if you just let the price run with the amount of shares you already had.
So if you trust Rufus...and if you llisten to he and I are saying...sign your handle here as kind of a vow to not Flip. You guys are the best.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Can someone answer this????
IF the price goes to $15 a share by the EOM, do we get the free shares still? --Or is that what Rufus wants to force the MM's to do so they don't have to cover the x 6!!! ???
In other words the MM's would now WANT to drive the price to $15 to avoid the 6 free shares!..
Is this right??? Someone asked me this and I have not thought about that....
anyone?...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Hey anyone think that Sabra will be the new pretty face ceo? I know rufus wanted to finish this job till the end. then retire
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Tut says....
If Oct 30th comes and we are at $16 / share, the algebra equation will be invalid. BUT BY THAT POINT, the institutions will have hit their $5.00 buy-in target and the stock will have already skyrocketed to over $100 / share. Just watch and see, it ain't over yet.
Posted by betting babe on :
reset when pigs what?
good morning y'all! gee, ya know, one lil typo and .... LOL
~BB
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Good gravy you guys talked a lot last night! Slow down so I can catch up LOL...
At least it looks like I don't have to repeat my comment about the Phoenix crapping on our windshields!
LOL...no kidding SherriT...At this pace, I will never get caught up today. Busy day at work...don't suppose someone would want to PM me a re-cap from say 9:00pm last night?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: Quote:
This is my formal plea to all our of family here on the CSHD thread...PLEASE do not flip. You can flip whatever stock you'd like for all I care, anything in the world, just not CSHD. Rufus explicitly stated that the squeeze can and will drive this thing to the moon. PLEASE...some members have said, "well, it'll get me more cshd shares, because I really believe in the company!!" You've had your chance to get all the shares you want, and now youre gonna get 7x whatever you have now. it's ENOUGH...if you really want shares that badly, BUY THEM. you flipping could hurt the stock so much that the shares you might gain will be worth less in total than if you just let the price run with the amount of shares you already had.
So if you trust Rufus...and if you llisten to he and I are saying...sign your handle here as kind of a vow to not Flip. You guys are the best.
bump!!
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Can someone show me in the 10-K where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Can anyone answer this to me?
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Can someone answer this????
IF the price goes to $15 a share by the EOM, do we get the free shares still? --Or is that what Rufus wants to force the MM's to do so they don't have to cover the x 6!!! ???
In other words the MM's would now WANT to drive the price to $15 to avoid the 6 free shares!..
Is this right??? Someone asked me this and I have not thought about that....
anyone?...
You still get the free shares, the price and share count was based on the pps at EOD yesterday. So if the pps goes up to $15 you now have 7 times your pps * $15...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Chart...as of the 16th...the 6 shares are ours regardless of what this goes to...it was at the close of business on the 16th!!!
Posted by djg7 on :
luvforever, I did mention that I considered flipping shares yesterday but I didn't follow through. I'm holding strong and won't give up any shares.
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Tut says....
If Oct 30th comes and we are at $16 / share, the algebra equation will be invalid. BUT BY THAT POINT, the institutions will have hit their $5.00 buy-in target and the stock will have already skyrocketed to over $100 / share. Just watch and see, it ain't over yet.
If thats the case , why does the EOD on the 16th matter ? Why bring that up ? Isn't that our reset in so many words ?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
this is the way I understood it. We just get paid the shares on the 30th. They're already ours
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Chart the reset was yesterday... It could be a $100pps in two weeks and you still get your shares. MMs can't avoid anything at this point.
Posted by betting babe on :
better yet a public recap for the rest of us too
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: ...don't suppose someone would want to PM me a re-cap from say 9:00pm last night?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Can someone show me in the 10-K where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Can anyone answer this to me?
mo look at the pr released last night not the 10k. Your question is answered in there.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I think tut might be wrong, I think the shares are a done deal....
Either way it's $15 a share people!!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Chart...as of the 16th...the 6 shares are ours regardless of what this goes to...it was at the close of business on the 16th!!!
If that's true? you can sell now, and still get those shares...
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Tut says....
If Oct 30th comes and we are at $16 / share, the algebra equation will be invalid. BUT BY THAT POINT, the institutions will have hit their $5.00 buy-in target and the stock will have already skyrocketed to over $100 / share. Just watch and see, it ain't over yet.
If thats the case , why does the EOD on the 16th matter ? Why bring that up ? Isn't that our reset in so many words ?
Tut is not the CEO, read the commnst from Rufus.
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
"The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Mo-rydr what are you asking? For the equation?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Chart the reset was yesterday... It could be a $100pps in two weeks and you still get your shares. MMs can't avoid anything at this point.
100.00 x 6 free shares = $600.00 per share you own.
Can you say Cadilac Escalade? Posted by luvforever on :
glad ya didnt dij!!!!!!! You were rewarded! Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Chart...as of the 16th...the 6 shares are ours regardless of what this goes to...it was at the close of business on the 16th!!!
If that's true? you can sell now, and still get those shares...
I'm not gonna chance that, besides they are worth more even without those other 3 bonds which total over 7 Billion dollars!
We'll see those on the 10q this Nov. Posted by 10of13 on :
Tex...that is one of the things that I am not understanding yet...it doesn't seem that you have to keep the 1 share in order to get the extra shares...BUT I for one am holding what I have...
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Chart...as of the 16th...the 6 shares are ours regardless of what this goes to...it was at the close of business on the 16th!!!
If that's true? you can sell now, and still get those shares...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Yes Tut IS wrong. (Did I just say that?)
"shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10"
Oct. 16th is the "Reset Date", reset shares are issued on the 30th... that is all.
Posted by sam$ on :
OK I did not sell my shares yesterday. do they have a list of shareholders as of 10/16 i wanna make sure my name is on it?????
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04: Chart the reset was yesterday... It could be a $100pps in two weeks and you still get your shares. MMs can't avoid anything at this point.
100.00 x 6 free shares = $600.00 per share you own.
Can you say Cadilac Escalade?
Actually it is 1 + 6 free shares... that is 7 or $700 Posted by NEL on :
Forgot I had at sell order in for some of my RSHN now I've got an extra $1,600 to buy something else... hmmmm
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I agree nel, about tut...
-just putting everything out here so we can DD it.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tex...that is one of the things that I am not understanding yet...it doesn't seem that you have to keep the 1 share in order to get the extra shares...BUT I for one am holding what I have...
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Chart...as of the 16th...the 6 shares are ours regardless of what this goes to...it was at the close of business on the 16th!!!
If that's true? you can sell now, and still get those shares...
not saying anybody should (or shouldn't)--simply reminding "can't-have-it-both-ways." Per last night's posts re due bills and effects on Shorty...
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I agree nel, about tut...
-just putting everything out here so we can DD it.
Not trying to be a smartie pants just trying to keep the positive vibes flowing! Chart you are great!
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Mo-rydr what are you asking? For the equation?
No 10, I am looking to see if the 10-K says that the share amount is locked-in as of 10/16 or if only that the names of the shareholders of record is locked -in.
Posted by dog on :
up and down.... I'm gonna turn it off and forget about it. This going to be all over the place. Best not to watch and get tempted into screwing myself.
My father gave me some advice when I explained this stock, "Don't be greedy."
Now I know what that meant. Rufus said it too, "Greed comes from a bad place."
Messing with the stock price by overanalyzing and flipping, hoping for more money or shares will bite you in the end. Be content with what you have for it is as good as gold. If you want more... buy them in the open market...... or take a break and enjoy life.
I'm going shopping for a car.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: better yet a public recap for the rest of us too
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: ...don't suppose someone would want to PM me a re-cap from say 9:00pm last night?
Thanks BB...I would love to read through the last 12 pages, but time / work forbids it. I heard Rufus was on SPR...is this true?
Posted by portman on :
Let me put it this way...I am not selling...personally...too much risk to sell...
My new cost per share is even closer to having been paid to buy them...wait...I almost think I was paid to buy them with this reset....lol.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: better yet a public recap for the rest of us too
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: ...don't suppose someone would want to PM me a re-cap from say 9:00pm last night?
Thanks BB...I would love to read through the last 12 pages, but time / work forbids it. I heard Rufus was on SPR...is this true?
Yes... it was great.
Posted by djg7 on :
We'll see you on 10/30. Let the MMs manipulate this all they want. 10/30 is the day! This is a great board!
Posted by NEL on :
Really, who is selling at these prices!!!
Posted by 10of13 on :
BB and Matt...here ya go...via Chart, Jenna and Wally
Rufus on SPR last night:
"Everythings been a stargegic move for the shareholders"
"Getting several hundred million in interest!"
They have 15 Billion total that can be booked which is available right now. It's not an overnight deal. we have been working on this for a long time.
Rufus said Right- NOT DILUTION!!!
"The Big Show is always the plan" reffering to Nasdaq
"PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
RUFUS:
A share issuance due to a reorganization through a merger. These are not dividend shares or forward splits. It's been filed since the original 8K merger agreement.
These shares will NOT be restricted If you sold today your out of luck, if you bought today you get the 6, no settlment waiting or anything
"Go away for 2 weeks, play soccer, go fishin' do whatever, in 2 weeks your new shares will be there."
Rufus quotes #2: [special thanks to Wally and Jenna!!]
"Evrything's starting from here I said after the 10K the ball starts rolling, now it's all down here from here."
The reset was posted in the filings from the original 8K to the 8KA. It's not a forward split per say, it's an issuance of shares due to a reset based on the reorganization merger.
That's what I've gleaned from RUFUS. He just mentioned PIPE resets. Not normal here on the OTCBB but normal on bigger stocks.
Q:Was it part of the plan all along?
A: This was all layed out... This way he doesn't need approval, knew he was going to do it this was from the beginning
"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
"We met the Qualifications for Nasdaq Tues of Last week!!!!!"
Said that CSHD has met the requirements for uplisting since last Tuesday- and to watch for news.
"Go read documents ver carefully.........JV's do not receive any funds until we file S3's"
Q: If the PPS is below $11 on the 30th will you reset to $11?
A: No, you've all recieved your shares... we're giving you the money.....it's for your benefit, it's for your liquidity, not ours"
Rufus said he still has some ACES up his sleeve!
Q: If the PPS stays at around $2 / share in January, then what?
A; "Impossible, these's a few more steps in the ladder, if it does that I'll be one surprised puppy.
Q: Why wait 'til the 30th?
A:Because I have to let Nasdaq know.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
Q: Do you believe it can go to $100?
A: Yes
Q: When?
A: in a few weeks!!
It's up to the shareholder...starve the beast....if you don't flip it hold it, name your price...if you starve the beast..he will go away.......if no one sold for 2 weeks there's no telling where the PPS can go!!!!
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL: Really, who is selling at these prices!!!
MM's back and forth... if you watch... they will instill doubt.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Can someone show me in the 10-K where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Can anyone answer this to me?
mo look at the pr released last night not the 10k. Your question is answered in there.
That is a PR, the 10-k is what's official.
Posted by dog on :
Even those with restricted shares get the bonus shares... they are not selling either...
Posted by beatheodds on :
My assesment on the situation is that those that got their names on shares before the closing on the 16th will get the additional shares. For everyone else the company reported 800 million in assets. And 7 billion in the press release. This stock should have exploded.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL: Really, who is selling at these prices!!!
well, why not...if there's profit in the sale? If they believe Rufus, they're thinking they get 6x their entire position (as of yesterday) in a coupla weeks...
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Can someone show me in the 10-K where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Can anyone answer this to me?
mo look at the pr released last night not the 10k. Your question is answered in there.
That is a PR, the 10-k is what's official.
10-KA to be filed to clear it up... likely today.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Alright... I am happy for us all. I wish some of us would have headed the warnings, but I believe there is alot of money to be made here still. If you sold yesterday, you still have the chance to buy into a stock under $3 that has a book of $11 and a target of $22. Additionally, there is a 10KSB with audited financials, a crazy CEO that likes to make shareholders money, a big known short position, and 8 Billion dollars of additional rumored deals.
If you want in again I wouldn't blame you, there is still great money to be made. For everyone else I the sky is the limit. Look at the above paragraph. I am going to be focused on things other than this stock for the next two weeks, but will keep a close eye on it and the news from a distance. I will post my graphic as things get annouced, but honestly I need to take a break from the daily in and outs of this.
On a final note I mentioned Rufus's comment about getting a "pretty face" in here that is better for the company... comment. And the person who i respect said something that just floored me, so I just checked on it and it is true.
No connection that I know of but... is everyone aware of the fact that the CEO of United Health Care resigned yesterday? Hmmm... CEO of a billion dollar company resigning the day of this deal. (Just a starting place for a theory.)
Enjoy the show, TB
Posted by frank021474 on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Can someone show me in the 10-K where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Can anyone answer this to me?
mo look at the pr released last night not the 10k. Your question is answered in there.
That is a PR, the 10-k is what's official.
10-KA to be filed to clear it up... likely today.
10ka out this morning Dog
Posted by tompom on :
anybody has the CSHD office phone number?
Posted by 10of13 on :
yep..already out dog..MY rydr.. tompom Phone: 770-420-8270 Fax: 404-393-9824
If people would just read before they react then this wouldn't be as complicated as so many are making it. I don't care what Tut says. Rufus made it crystal clear that it doesn't matter where the PPS is on the 30th, we will still get the shares credited to our accounts, IF we held shares as of close of OCTOBER 16. I'm going to call my BROKER everyday until the 30th, just to remind him to makes sure that they go into my account in a timely fashion. People lost a lot of money yesterday listening to idiots and if you want to lose more keep on listening. As for me, I am completely sure this will be the biggest stock I'll ever own. I didn't sale 1 share during the drop yesterday and even warned people that we could be seeing more news soon. Make your decision and stick with it. Mods, please keep the people off this thread that would like to cause disruptions. Every basher out there has been completely wrong and if you don't see that by now, your either stupid or blind. Go through the list of their claims over the last several months. First it was this will be reversed split, then they said it was a scam.....blah,blah,blah. WRONG,WRONG,WRONG....they have been nothing but wrong. I will no longer be patient with those who ask questions without doing any reading. GLTA and I DO NOT think this is over by any means.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Posted by Chartwalker on :
dog... 10k-a WAS filed this morning just like Rufus said it would be!
Excellent... just got up.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Chart......whart are the charts saying about resist. and support levels this morning?
Posted by 10of13 on :
The reset was yeaterday...we'll get it on October 30th...
quote:Originally posted by trade04: no rst
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Can someone show me in the 10-K where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Can anyone answer this to me?
mo look at the pr released last night not the 10k. Your question is answered in there.
That is a PR, the 10-k is what's official.
10-KA to be filed to clear it up... likely today.
10ka out this morning Dog
My question still stands, Can someone show me in the 10-KA where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Posted by trade04 on :
well if it hasnt split yet i think if ur in u will get the freebies
Posted by 10of13 on :
mo-rydr...ARE you looking for individual numbers that each share holder has? Because that's not in there..I don't understand what you want...sorry... look at the top of page 22 of the filing..maybe start there...
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: no rst
The reset is done.
"The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional share (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78," stated Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: well if it hasnt split yet i think if ur in u will get the freebies
If you were in yesterday as of close then you get the freebies, if not then you dont.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: Chart......whart are the charts saying about resist. and support levels this morning?
not watching charts.... not doing a thing till the EOM and then till I see the 10q with those 7 plus Billion dollars worth of bonds
NO WAY am I selling Squat! lol ~~~
I know what I have!
Posted by trade04 on :
we will see
Posted by dog on :
level 2's off.... I'm going to start my day... check in later. Don't watch too closely guys... they just wanna suck you into the party of pain.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: mo-rydr...ARE you looking for individual numbers that each share holder has? Because that's not in there..I don't understand what you want...sorry...
Can those that have their name on record as a shareholder still increase their share amount after the 16th per the 10-K's?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: Chart......whart are the charts saying about resist. and support levels this morning?
not watching charts.... not doing a thing till the EOM and then till I see the 10q with those 7 plus Billion dollars worth of bonds
NO WAY am I selling Squat! lol ~~~
I know what I have!
T.Y. I know also. Posted by kcool on :
Hi Guys! I have some shares in this however i am slightly confused reading the 10-K. I don't understand whether we still have 1+6 shares even if the PPS goes up to 10 for example before the 30th or does the amount of free shares get worked out on the 30th according to the PPS on that day. Thank you very much!!!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record
Everyone who holds shares gets aditional shares.
quote:as of the close of business on October 16, 2006,
on this Reset Date
quote:the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006
Reset shares are issued on the 30th of October.
quote:10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
NASD needs 10 business days before the issuance.
Now let's look at how many shares each... shall we?
quote:The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).
this is the ratio: (15 / X - X)
(15 / ($1.80)) - ($1.80) = 6.533333
NASD will not allow them to give half or partial shares.
Sooooooooooo... each shareholder gets 6 addional Shares on Oct.30th. Take it to the bank!
TB
Posted by 10of13 on :
yes you may buy more and anyone that wasn't in on the 16th can still buy in... the thing with the 16th is that you will not get your "extra" shares...you will only have what you actually buy as of today...is that a little clearer? You can still buy more...I am...
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: mo-rydr...ARE you looking for individual numbers that each share holder has? Because that's not in there..I don't understand what you want...sorry...
Can those that have their name on record as a shareholder still increase their share amount after the 16th per the 10-K's?
Posted by kcool on :
Thanks Tax!!!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
Nice outline Tax!
Posted by trade04 on :
wtf is everyone saying rest shares what about reset price
Posted by 66inxs on :
help me out here on the audited financials on the 10ka. since the gross income equals the interest receivable isn't it based on an accrual rather than actual income? also what is the accumulated other for 707 million in the owners equity. i would also like to see the opinion letter issued by the cpa firm that audited these financials.
are they running on borrowed money and sale of stocks? tex, repoman, glass what is going on here?
Posted by trade04 on :
rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
I'm going shopping for a car.
LoL... Nice break from the stock, eh?
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: wtf is everyone saying rest shares what about reset price
GO READ! SHARES=RESET. It was set up to benefit the LOYAL shareholders that weren't just in it for the RESET! Rufus is a genius and found a way to see who really is loyal to the company. This is JMO
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: yes you may buy more and anyone that wasn't in on the 16th can still buy in... the thing with the 16th is that you will not get your "extra" shares...you will only have what you actually buy as of today...is that a little clearer? You can still buy more...I am...
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: mo-rydr...ARE you looking for individual numbers that each share holder has? Because that's not in there..I don't understand what you want...sorry...
Can those that have their name on record as a shareholder still increase their share amount after the 16th per the 10-K's?
That is per you, my question is, where in the 10-KA does it say that?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
nice post taxback!!
Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
no, rufus did not lie, everything here was planned, good lick to you...... Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
trade04 must have sold yesterday....sorry buddy, maybe next time.
Posted by driver4t3 on :
luck
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
If you are that blind, then you need to go buy you a nice pinksheet stock. Mods please keep the rif-raf out today! We've dealt with enough of it! They have no factual basis to their statements.
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
This is BETTER than a flat reset on the share price...
Imagine this.. The book value as of June 30th is still $12 per share.
If your portfolio just went to seven times whatever you have, and then the stock creeps up to book value.. thats alot better than your originals at $15.
1000 shares, x 7 = 7000 shares * 12$ = $84,000 or 1000 shares, x $15/share = $15,000.
The price WILL go up.
Its much better to increase the shares.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: help me out here...
i would also like to see the opinion letter issued by the cpa firm that audited these financials.
Sure page 91 of the 10KSB has his authorization, and his complete notes are filed in the 8K filed on or about Sept. 29th
Enjoy the reading... the notes are INCREDIBLE and very detailed!!!
Matter of fact I encourage everyone to read the notes from Benson.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
reset price would not have worked and we all know it. This is a much more stable means of giving us the same thing. This way the market can go up and down based on PRs and filings instead of a massive crash after a price reset.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record
Everyone who holds shares gets aditional shares.
quote:as of the close of business on October 16, 2006,
on this Reset Date
quote:the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006
Reset shares are issued on the 30th of October.
quote:10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
NASD needs 10 business days before the issuance.
Now let's look at how many shares each... shall we?
quote:The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).
this is the ratio: (15 / X - X)
(15 / ($1.80)) - ($1.80) = 6.533333
NASD will not allow them to give half or partial shares.
Sooooooooooo... each shareholder gets 6 addional Shares on Oct.30th. Take it to the bank!
TB
bump!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
Rufus: "It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
Posted by 66inxs on :
thanks taxback i was looking on the amendment rather than the original 10k
Posted by CRab on :
hey...we just broke the other way...movin on up...
haha...quickly...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
bye all!
I gotta vice grip on my slips!!!
Posted by CRab on :
and now down 7 cents on 4000 shares, lol...
this is something else to watch...
Posted by 10of13 on :
I see it this way... if anyone bought this AS OF YESTERDAY...now has a total of 7 shares (for every 1 that you bought) So if you got in under $2.10( as of yesterday) this stock would have to fall BELOW .30 a share in order for you to start loosing money... seems like a win at this point... AND if you buy as of today at the PPS now and this does move up to the true value...then you are ahead even greater...more win Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I see it this way... if anyone bought this AS OF YESTERDAY...now has a total of 7 shares (for every 1 that you bought) So if you got in under $2.10( as of yesterday) this stock would have to fall BELOW .30 a share in order for you to start loosing money... seems like a win at this point... AND if you buy as of today at the PPS now and this does move up to the true value...then you are ahead even greater...more win
I was thinking that too 10. Which means, im still making money as long as this doesnt dip below .02 Posted by 10of13 on :
Cat...that's not quite a dip...I don't even know what that would be classified as...LOL Posted by Chartwalker on :
I'm going to do something that I haven't done in a long long time...
I'm taking the day off!!
-this stock is SOLID IMO ~
Have fun!
Rufus, "YOU ROCK!!"
Maybe I'll even pop in at EOD
Later Peeps!!!!! Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
Before saying something foolish....Do some reading.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
ok one more!!
I'll close with Rufus saying......
Q: Why wait 'til the 30th?
A:Because I have to let Nasdaq know.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
Later gang! Chart ~
Posted by 10of13 on :
Mo-rydr...again sorry...this stock is a trading stock...it isn't going to say in any filing that if you buy it you own it...can't help you with your question. Hope you figure it out.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by djg7: Thats the way I read it Chart. Why would you want to sell when you will receive free shares on 10/30 and price reset? No brainer.
There are no free shares & price reset........JUST 6:1 shares, that IS the reset! Just wanted to make sure you understood...
Posted by NEL on :
Now that we are all waiting for the 30th any other good things coming up. Wonder if any other companies will follow the CSHD path.
Posted by CRab on :
By 6:1 she means you get six additional shares...thereby having 7x as many as you do now...
To make this a little clearer...divide your initial purchase price by 7...the outcome is now your basis in the stock...anything above THAT number and you are in the green...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: help me out here...
i would also like to see the opinion letter issued by the cpa firm that audited these financials.
Sure page 91 of the 10KSB has his authorization, and his complete notes are filed in the 8K filed on or about Sept. 29th
Enjoy the reading... the notes are INCREDIBLE and very detailed!!!
Matter of fact I encourage everyone to read the notes from Benson.
My God Tax, Cass, Chart, Ryan, 10 (and the rest)...who let all of these people in here who can't read? They are just mad because they were not holding on the 16th. They are probably day traders who sold on the news yesterday. I mean...where have they been through all of this? Not fighting in the trenches with us...that's for sure.
Rufus told everyone a few days ago..."Don't get caught with your pants down!!". Seems to me we have a lot of naked people in this thread all of a sudden.
Mods...please help keep this place clean over the next few weeks...I smell a rat (and it's not our Rat )
BTW...do you guys realize that the 40 cent drop yesterday (after the 10-K) earned each of us an extra 2 shares for each share we currently hold...thanks go out to the naysayers Posted by thedoctor on :
This is so unbelieveable. What fool is going to sell their shares this morning for $1.97. In order for them to do this, they would have had to been on Mars for the last 24 hrs. But some are doing that exact thing. Incredible.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: This is so unbelieveable. What fool is going to sell their shares this morning for $1.97. In order for them to do this, they would have had to been on Mars for the last 24 hrs. But some are doing that exact thing. Incredible.
Morning Doc...how do you feel right about now?
Posted by thedoctor on :
NITE is at it again
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: help me out here...
i would also like to see the opinion letter issued by the cpa firm that audited these financials.
Sure page 91 of the 10KSB has his authorization, and his complete notes are filed in the 8K filed on or about Sept. 29th
Enjoy the reading... the notes are INCREDIBLE and very detailed!!!
Matter of fact I encourage everyone to read the notes from Benson.
My God Tax, Cass, Chart, Ryan...who let all of these people in here who can't read? They are just mad because they were not holding on the 16th. They are probably day traders who sold on the news yesterday. I mean...where have they been through all of this? Not fighting in the trenches with us...that's for sure.
Rufus told everyone a few days ago..."Don't get caught with your pants down!!". Seems to me we have a lot of naked people in this thread all of a sudden.
Mods...please help keep this place clean over the next few weeks...I smell a rat (and it's not our Rat )
BTW...do you guys realize that the 40 cent drop yesterday (after the 10-K) earned each of us an extra 2 shares for each share we currently hold...thanks go out to the naysayers
Great post St. Matthew, I bet people didn't realize that not selling into news would be the best decision they ever made. Thanks to all who sold yesterday and the time is coming that we WILL be listed on a higher exchange and all these shorts will be FORCED to cover. There is still so much more to come. I'm truly LONGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! GLTY Posted by thedoctor on :
St. Matt...What a great feeling .....Rufus came through for all of us. You've worked hard on this stock and deserve to reap the harvest now. It's a great day. I can't believe that some are selling at this price and losing the 6 extra for 1 payout. This has to be manipulation by MM's like NITE. No one can be this dumb.
Posted by stockstar on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by frank021474:
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Can someone show me in the 10-K where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Can anyone answer this to me?
mo look at the pr released last night not the 10k. Your question is answered in there.
That is a PR, the 10-k is what's official.
10-KA to be filed to clear it up... likely today.
10ka out this morning Dog
My question still stands, Can someone show me in the 10-KA where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
The reason it's not in the filings is because it was based on the trading of oct 16th. That means the 10k was done way before, they released it and watched how the market reacted, and then calculated how many shares you got depending on what it closed at. So there is no way it could have been added because it wasn't known before the release of the 10k.
hope that clears it up.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: NITE is at it again
We really shouldnt be surprised. Everyone that has showed even the smallest bit of manipulation will continue to do so until the 30th. They still feel unthreatened IMO and seem to be unshaken by the filing. Id like to see Nasdaq a couple of days BEFORE the 30th so they have no time to react. CSHD wont be nice to them anymore IMO and if i were an officer in the company i would feel the same way. He offered a deal to get the shorts covered. He even said in an interview "force me to take option A" to point out that they could have prevented this "share reset". The ball is rolling now, they either take him seriously now or deal with a mess on the 30th.
But, my point is...they wont take him seriously, its quite obvious
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Good post Matt. I don't expect them to hang around to long. I've been holding since mid june. I think alot of penny people can't fathom the scope of this thing. I for one would put myself in that group. I'm starting to get it though and thankfully not to late Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ok, im headed out of the office. After work activities today.
CYA!
Posted by thedoctor on :
What a surprise....NITE is offering shares for $2.00
Posted by NEL on :
Still wondering if we will make news in the Wall Street Journal... that would be great!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
there's really no buying pressure right now that's what's keeping this trading in place I think.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Thanks loads for the re-cap 10...now I can get some work done...very nice work on your part Chart, Jenna, and Wally. I like the part at the end ($100 pps). I gotta ask...why on earth would anyone be selling...seriously? Craziness...and these people are allowed to vote?!? Maybe they are from (Miami) Dade county...
quote: Originally posted by 10of13: BB and Matt...here ya go...via Chart, Jenna and Wally
Rufus on SPR last night:
Q: Do you believe it can go to $100?
A: Yes
Q: When?
A: in a few weeks!!
It's up to the shareholder...starve the beast....if you don't flip it hold it, name your price...if you starve the beast..he will go away.......if no one sold for 2 weeks there's no telling where the PPS can go!!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Posted by CRab on :
This thing is so pressure sensitive right now...I bet if someone put in a 100k share order the price would go up a dollar...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Good post Matt. I don't expect them to hang around to long. I've been holding since mid june. I think alot of penny people can't fathom the scope of this thing. I for one would put myself in that group. I'm starting to get it though and thankfully not to late
Ryan, I can only imagine how wealthy you will be when this is done...GLTY.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well if this thing goes to $100 after we get our reset shares. I'm not sure work figures into my life anymore. Tons of time with the kids while their young would be my job if this goes all the way.
Posted by SherriT on :
Believe it or not, I FINALLY caught up!
Congrats to everyone who held - I am SOOOOOOO glad I kept my fingers off the trigger!
Posted by SherriT on :
I suddenly have the urge to sing....
"TRICK OR TREAT, SMELL MY FEET, WHO CARES ABOUT SOMETHING GOOD TO EAT". I have extra shares - I'll BUY MY OWN bag of Snickers
LMAO
Posted by a surfer on :
sbsh raised their ask to 15.00
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
With all due respect sir I ask: Is there something wrong with you?
Here's what Rufus said last night- how is he lying?
"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
So I ask again respectfully, IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: well if this thing goes to $100 after we get our reset shares. I'm not sure work figures into my life anymore. Tons of time with the kids while their young would be my job if this goes all the way.
you got that right ryan.
Posted by thedoctor on :
FWIW..... TUT
I will repeat this again: Hold strong and tight.
Listen carefully shareholders. Now you know why I said to hold tight. Now I will say it again. Hold tight because this will squeeze the shorts because they will have to deliver all FTD's so that the share dividends can be put into your accounts. Now they have no choice if everyone holds tight you could see the biggest squeeze in history. No flipping, no daytrading right now. You have no idea this is just only the beginning of things you have no idea about yet.
The cobra has struck with a furious vengeance. The shorts will never get out of this.
You are either with or without today. You who have stood strong, yours is the victory cup to drink of.
Those who stand before me will live. Those who stand with their backs to me will surely perish.
ya KHabar befloos, bukrah yeb'a bebalash الصمت احيانا ضروري. بعض الانبياء المزيفين عندما اتكلم كثيرا وان لم يتكلم. كل شيء سيكون علي كشف لكم وسيكون النصر لكم.
Posted by djg7 on :
I just got back . Thanks Jenna for clarifying the reset. The reset equals the additional shares.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: well if this thing goes to $100 after we get our reset shares. I'm not sure work figures into my life anymore. Tons of time with the kids while their young would be my job if this goes all the way.
Ryan, what a great job that would be...wish I could do it, but I would go nuts not working (or volunteering). My wife will probably stay home with the little one until she goes to school.
That will work out just fine since I WILL NOT HAVE A HOUSE PAYMENT Posted by RyanPBF on :
this thing is wound so tight any news released right now would cause an explosion imo.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: This is so unbelieveable. What fool is going to sell their shares this morning for $1.97. In order for them to do this, they would have had to been on Mars for the last 24 hrs. But some are doing that exact thing. Incredible.
Your killing me...I'm laughing so hard Doc!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
bump
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
With all due respect sir I ask: Is there something wrong with you?
Here's what Rufus said last night- how is he lying?
"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
So I ask again respectfully, IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU?
You go Girl...get them out of here!
Posted by skip on :
"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
If it was so simple, why all the discussion and selloff at first, then anger, then pats on the back? Seemed like a lot of confused folks out there.
I hope this goes through for you all and you guys make tons of money.
The only thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that it seems they care not for future shareholders. Why would I buy now? How do those folks feel that sold yesterday when it was tanking? You can all pat yourself on the back now for being away from your computers when it tanked, or just holding. But the folks that sold are "screwed". Normally, folks might buy back in, but why would they now? Just seems like the company is so concerned with the shareholders of 10/16, that no one else matters. And I have to say, that a PPS of $15 or $100 will have to be sustained by new buyers. Also, who is running the company while these guys are in chat rooms and on internet radio?
good luck guys, just wanted to give my 2 cents. It's been a long road for you, I hope it pays off (remember, I was in this under .10 when it was FHAL, doh!)
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: I suddenly have the urge to sing....
"TRICK OR TREAT, SMELL MY FEET, WHO CARES ABOUT SOMETHING GOOD TO EAT". I have extra shares - I'll BUY MY OWN bag of Snickers
LMAO
...and Snicker we will...all the way to the bank... Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by skip: "It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
If it was so simple, why all the discussion and selloff at first, then anger, then pats on the back? Seemed like a lot of confused folks out there.
I hope this goes through for you all and you guys make tons of money.
The only thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that it seems they care not for future shareholders. Why would I buy now? How do those folks feel that sold yesterday when it was tanking? You can all pat yourself on the back now for being away from your computers when it tanked, or just holding. But the folks that sold are "screwed". Normally, folks might buy back in, but why would they now? Just seems like the company is so concerned with the shareholders of 10/16, that no one else matters. And I have to say, that a PPS of $15 or $100 will have to be sustained by new buyers. Also, who is running the company while these guys are in chat rooms and on internet radio?
good luck guys, just wanted to give my 2 cents. It's been a long road for you, I hope it pays off (remember, I was in this under .10 when it was FHAL, doh!)
I just have to laugh. Okay, first off Rufus didn't want flippers who just wanted to get out at reset, what better idea than to do what he did yesterday. Now you ask who would buy? The company BV is $11 with the current assets, he says he has 15billion contracted so by 10Q time we may see a higher BV than $11 and we may be on nasdaq. If you could get in at $2 knowing what it is valued at, why wouldnt you. Theres your incentive.
Posted by luvforever on :
Yeah well everyone was warned and if you didnt take heed to it your fault and there will be institutions dont need tiny dollars!!! Greed will get you every time if you don't know what you are holding! lmao
Posted by thedoctor on :
Skip....I am sure that Rufus and his board members worked yesterday during the day. He worked last night on SPR educating many of us regarding the 10K. Isn't that enough ?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by djg7: I just got back . Thanks Jenna for clarifying the reset. The reset equals the additional shares.
You're very welcome & congrats to you!
Posted by thedoctor on :
What a surprise...NITE is offering the stock at the cheapest price.
Posted by Jenna on :
So guys & Gals, I'm going to Vegas!!! Anybody care to join?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: So guys & Gals, I'm going to Vegas!!! Anybody care to join?
I'll join you baby
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: So guys & Gals, I'm going to Vegas!!! Anybody care to join?
I'm not going anywhere for a while...going to just watch and see what happens. This is all great news, but as a colleague and I were just discussing - "you don't count your money when you're sitting at the table"
RUFUS FOR PRESIDENT!
Posted by RichBy26 on :
Hey gang, I just spoke with Sabra, what a great asset and personality to bring to the company. I feel like I get so much further when I speak with her instead of Ben, ha! She said we can expect more PRs shortly dealing with the move to NASD and our additional shares!!! After speaking with Ben last night and Sabra today I feel more confident than ever in my investment!
Posted by new2stocks on :
: Originally Posted by tutankhamen Between now and the 30th Rufus said there could be 3 more events, 8k's and pr's. One of those could be the trigger right now at any time for the NASDAQ and predicted we could see this at $100 per share within a couple of weeks. You want to hold tight now no matter what. This is what you have all been waiting for.
The cobra is not letting go now and will swallow the shorts whole. This is your victory and what you fought for and dreamed of and now it is yours.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
Bump! bye again ~
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by NEL: Still wondering if we will make news in the Wall Street Journal... that would be great!
Not in the Wall Street Journal as of today.
I read it over a nice long brunch.... better to spend time learning about the world market and how CSHD will fit in it at this point.
Get ready to graduate people!
Oddly enough... front page article in WSJ discusses the decline of hedge funds.... hmmm.
Watch WSJ for the ripples. We are a big rock about to be thrown in that ocean.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
hey chart, I thought you were taking the day off??? LOL!
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Probably a stupid question, but if we are on the shareholder list on the website, is it necessary to have certs for this 6:1 ratio or are we okay?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: So guys & Gals, I'm going to Vegas!!! Anybody care to join?
I'm not going anywhere for a while...going to just watch and see what happens. This is all great news, but as a colleague and I were just discussing - "you don't count your money when you're sitting at the table"
RUFUS FOR PRESIDENT!
Very Good Point Sherri- the truth is I've been planning this before I even bought the stock!!!ssshhhhh don't tell anyone.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: hey chart, I thought you were taking the day off??? LOL!
. . I bet Chart (like the rest of some of us) will not be able to keep checking in to see what the pps movement is..... Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: So guys & Gals, I'm going to Vegas!!! Anybody care to join?
I'm not going anywhere for a while...going to just watch and see what happens. This is all great news, but as a colleague and I were just discussing - "you don't count your money when you're sitting at the table"
RUFUS FOR PRESIDENT!
Very Good Point Sherri- the truth is I've been planning this before I even bought the stock!!!ssshhhhh don't tell anyone.
HeHeHeHe - IF I were to start counting a little now, I would have to say that after an inground pool that my children are ready to meet Mickey and Minnie Not too far of a drive from here, and I would relish their little faces much more than winning at the craps table.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Bucky ~ I do not have the ability to PM. In answer to you question. the CEO of United Health Care was on CNBC yesterday talking about his resignation. Rufus said "Pretty Face" but don't automatically think that is going to be a woman. It could just be someone very recognizable who has a known presence in Wallstreet, Government, and large dollar deals. Someone who will be more appropriate both in look and rep.when interviewed on CNBC, or other large news services. Here is what I have on UHC's CEO.
quote:William W. McGuire, M.D. will leave the company on or before December 1, 2006, and he stepped down today as Chairman of the Board and as a Director. Between now and his departure, he will continue as Chief Executive Officer and will assist in an orderly transition to new leadership. The Board expressed its appreciation for the extraordinary contributions made by Dr. McGuire over the past 15 years. Under his leadership, UnitedHealth Group has had an enormous positive impact on the American health care system, making significant contributions in improving accessibility and making the health care system more affordable; the company became an industry leader with revenues growing from approximately $600 million to more than $70 billion. The stock price of UnitedHealth Group rose by almost 8500 percent, more than 30 times the growth of the S&P 500. The employees, shareholders and customers of UnitedHealth Group have all benefited from his leadership, energy and vision.
By the way I in no way know if this CEO resignation is at all tied to CSHD. Rufus just said watch the news and look at who CSHD is hiring. Heck the mention of Bill Gates nephew a few weeks back raises eye brows... I really am just looking for a trail, I have not found a good solid lead yet. I am just saying that Sabra is there and experienced, but it could be someone else... Someone huge in reputation.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
With all due respect sir I ask: Is there something wrong with you?
Here's what Rufus said last night- how is he lying?
"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
So I ask again respectfully, IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU?
An ignorant post like that does not deserve respect, IMO. trade04 was probably one of the fools that sold yesterday.
Thank you Rufus for making me a highly potential millionaire. It will be nice to retire before age 40.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by skip: "It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
If it was so simple, why all the discussion and selloff at first, then anger, then pats on the back? Seemed like a lot of confused folks out there.
I hope this goes through for you all and you guys make tons of money.
The only thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that it seems they care not for future shareholders. Why would I buy now? How do those folks feel that sold yesterday when it was tanking? You can all pat yourself on the back now for being away from your computers when it tanked, or just holding. But the folks that sold are "screwed". Normally, folks might buy back in, but why would they now? Just seems like the company is so concerned with the shareholders of 10/16, that no one else matters. And I have to say, that a PPS of $15 or $100 will have to be sustained by new buyers. Also, who is running the company while these guys are in chat rooms and on internet radio?
good luck guys, just wanted to give my 2 cents. It's been a long road for you, I hope it pays off (remember, I was in this under .10 when it was FHAL, doh!)
No offense Skip...but any investor that can't see this as a wonderful opportunity to double, triple, quadruple their money in the next 6 months should not be investing...period!
Rufus has been saying for quite some time..."If you don't want to hold this stock for the long term, I don't want you as a shareholder". He also warned us a couple of days ago… "Don’t get caught with your pants down". He has been giving little clues here and there for months now.
Those of us who have done our DD and have been in the trenches together...fighting side by side through all of the bashing, slamming, and MM manipulation that has been going on since day one (it seems) do indeed deserve everything we have coming to us. We have fought through many sleepless nights because of lies or rumors, manufactured and / or doctored documents, and late night interviews with Rufus and company.
We did not bail out at the first sign of danger or negative news like most people did (well, some of us flipped ). We just went to work on this board to search for the truth and get some questions answered for our members. As a result, we were able to see the forest through the trees.
Yes, there were probably some people who were away from their computers and did not witness the utter panic and stupidity that occurred yesterday afternoon. But those of us who were here, on this board, were aware of what was going down and held strong because we know the real value of this company...present and future.
I'm sorry if you missed out on the present, but you still have the future...and it looks like there is still plenty of money to be made. I think my Allstocks brethran would agree.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
I hope that nobody thinks that I am being malicious in bringing up this issue, because I am not, I just want clarification. I don't think that there has been given a definative answer to my question about if those who are stockholders of record as of 10/16 can increase their number of shares between 10/16 and 10/30 and have them qualify to receive the '6 for 1' share increase.
I think that the 10 day rule is to prevent what is seemingly happening, that is, to lock out investors on a same-day basis. My contention is that maybe this is why the release of the first 10-K (with error) and then the 10-KA (with corrected wording) were issued. I am pretty sure that 10 day advance notice is required so that positions can be adjusted to investors' preferences. I think that the wording indicates that the '6 for 1' share increase will be per "the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30" (10-KA)
This would prevent lawsuits and allow those who are 'in' to adjust to investors' preferences. It would be nice to know the legalities associated here.
10-K: The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
10-KA: The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes:
quote:Originally posted by RichBy26: hey chart, I thought you were taking the day off??? LOL!
. . I bet Chart (like the rest of some of us) will not be able to keep checking in to see what the pps movement is.....
You are kind of right Bucky!! NEWS is what I check for!!
In that link of yours.... I LOVE THIS!!
Net Income for the fiscal year ending of June 30, 2006 was $18,530,865. Total Assets for the fiscal year end was $830,009,352. Total Shareholder equity for the fiscal year end was $789,508,292. Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006. With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has an
""asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22. ""
O....M.....G.......!!!!!! Posted by RyanPBF on :
well mo. I read the 10k to say whatever shares you had on the 16th will be the ones calculated for the stock issue. What ever you buy after that is just what you bought one share. That's how I read it
Posted by BULListic on :
Mo, I know where you're coming from on that when they say shareholders of record as of 10/16 which defines an individual not the shares attached, but in this case I think they mean the shareholder and the exact number of shares they owned as of the close of biz on 10/16. Any shares sold yesterday before the end of the day or any shares bought after yesterday should not get the extra shares, and the 30th is strictly a pay date and nothing more.
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: I hope that nobody thinks that I am being malicious in bringing up this issue, because I am not, I just want clarification. I don't think that there has been given a definative answer to my question about if those who are stockholders of record as of 10/16 can increase their number of shares between 10/16 and 10/30 and have them qualify to receive the '6 for 1' share increase.
I think that the 10 day rule is to prevent what is seemingly happening, that is, to lock out investors on a same-day basis. My contention is that maybe this is why the release of the first 10-K (with error) and then the 10-KA (with corrected wording) were issued. I am pretty sure that 10 day advance notice is required so that positions can be adjusted to investors' preferences. I think that the wording indicates that the '6 for 1' share increase will be per "the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30" (10-KA)
This would prevent lawsuits and allow those who are 'in' to adjust to investors' preferences. It would be nice to know the legalities associated here.
10-K: The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006 (x) minus Actual Closing Price on October 30, 2006) (15 / X - X).
10-KA: The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB. The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).
Posted by cassity on :
Hey mo, did you listen to Rufus last night. I know you have been in this for awhile. Rufus said if you were not in the stock as of the 16th, than you will NOT get the 6:1 shares. He did say you can sell them if you want and still get the shares. If you think about that for a moment it would be the brightest thing to do. By selling you are hurting the price of your own stock, "not to smart". Rufus also made it very clear there is MUCH more in the works, that will soon come to light. If you had shares yesterday, times that number by 6. You WILL get that amount of shares no matte what! Hope this helps. GLTY
Posted by skip on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: No offense Skip...but any investor that can't see this as a wonderful opportunity to double, triple, quadruple their money in the next 6 months should not be investing...period! [/QB]
actually, that is kind of offensive.
Note that I wished you all luck and hope for the best for you all. Allstocks has traditionally been a board for stock discussion. I was just discussing my thoughts. I knew I shouldn't have posted that, I figured I would get some backlash. I just feel for your "brethren" that sold yesterday (such as Jo) and now everyone is mocking them.
again, good luck to everyone. I respect most of the folks on this board and hope this all pans out the way you want it to.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I feel for Jo. I feel very sorry for her.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I feel for Jo. I feel very sorry for her.
I'm not falling for that one. Posted by luvforever on :
Thank you skip and yes I feel sorry but if you do dd and know what you have and werent greedy or whatever was scared then you wouldnt have sold Know what you are about to hold before putting your money into any stock read back on those posters remarks when they were in and see if at one time they were not rude to anyone ever... then say i should feel bad even though i do but it is not my fault i did my dd and i am rewarded like so many others...even if peeps ignore me on boards no skin off my arse! I know what I have and it was nice to chat and bs when there was nothing but i do not depend on any one person but me!!!! glta Posted by milliam on :
So from all of this, we are up $1.70 for the day??? (1.80/6 = .30)
This seems like a hard thing to calculate. I'm new to this (well, it sounds like we're all new to THIS), but I was wondering about what the pps is going to do based off of this 6:1 deal.
At first, I thought the price would be divided by 6 on the 30th, but it sounds like the shares were based off of yesterday only, thus the price would adjust based off of yesterday's close.
If this has yet to adjust based off of the 6:1, then we need to be trading at $10.80 before the adjustment. That would put us back to $1.80 (where we'd all actually have $15 per old share). If we fall below $1.80 then we'll all be under $15 per old share.
I don't think there will be a sudden adjustment, but I figure the pps will adjust at some point. Then again, I guess you can't base the pps just off of the 6:1, you need to factor in the new BV as well. Now, if you could only get some people to factor in that BV!
Posted by luvforever on :
look at all the post and see who told newbies to do your own dd and if you show me one who was upset cause they didnt want to spoonfeed newbies you know who you are cause its greed! But if you did it in a way to help, with a link or # then it was all good, you have helped and can be proud if someone says thank you you helped me .... all my own f opinion! Posted by cassity on :
I said my feelings for Jo this morning. I understand why she sold and I wish she didn't. Jo has always been light hearted and pleasant to have on this board. I truly hope for the best for you Jo and non of my comments are directed towards you. You are the very reason I'm upset at the bashers. They scared you out of your money and it is WRONG. GLTY
Posted by a surfer on :
Mo the one other thing that ws brought up last night by Simon before rufus was on was that he thought a company had to give investors 10 days notice for a divi.
Now I am not sure of the laws in this case considering that technically it is not a dividend.
Its a rufudend!!!
I hope the best for you as you know.
A call to Sabra might be a good idea for you too.
right from the horses mouth so to speak
Posted by casviper on :
I have a huge headache. In simple terms this is my understanding.
I bought and own 2,000 shares at .34 each.
On Oct 30th I will own 2,000 shares at $15 each unless the price is lower, at which time I will own more shares at a lower pps however the value will be the same. (2,000sh x $15pps = $30,000 or 3,000sh x $10pps = $30,000)
Please let me know if my thinking is correct.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by skip:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: No offense Skip...but any investor that can't see this as a wonderful opportunity to double, triple, quadruple their money in the next 6 months should not be investing...period!
actually, that is kind of offensive.
Note that I wished you all luck and hope for the best for you all. Allstocks has traditionally been a board for stock discussion. I was just discussing my thoughts. I knew I shouldn't have posted that, I figured I would get some backlash. I just feel for your "brethren" that sold yesterday (such as Jo) and now everyone is mocking them.
again, good luck to everyone. I respect most of the folks on this board and hope this all pans out the way you want it to. [/QB]
I am going to jump in only because I have worked with you, St. Matt, here, and have worked with Skip elsewhere on the board....both of you are super guys with great intentions.
Skip, I don't believe the people who sold yesterday are being mocked, though I do feel very sorry for them. To me, this was a classic case of rewarding longs vs. flippers, and any one of us could have gotten caught with our pants down. I do agree that there are amazing opportunities coming even without getting the extra shares, though I think St. Matt's choice of words was more from excitement than intending to cause offense.
Hope my comments don't cross either of you the wrong way...I want to see everyone make loads of dough, or at least be happy with the choices they make.
Posted by luvforever on :
I agree cassidy and most peeps here tried to help and show them it was bashing we were here to help each other hold strong...we are all here for the same reason, to better our lives! Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
TaxBack04.......Thanks for the your feedback......This is the same person I was looking at on the UHC website.....did not know you can not PM.......Again Thanks....and GLTY
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by skip: "It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
If it was so simple, why all the discussion and selloff at first, then anger, then pats on the back? Seemed like a lot of confused folks out there.
I hope this goes through for you all and you guys make tons of money.
The only thing that leaves a bad taste in my mouth is that it seems they care not for future shareholders. Why would I buy now? How do those folks feel that sold yesterday when it was tanking? You can all pat yourself on the back now for being away from your computers when it tanked, or just holding. But the folks that sold are "screwed". Normally, folks might buy back in, but why would they now? Just seems like the company is so concerned with the shareholders of 10/16, that no one else matters. And I have to say, that a PPS of $15 or $100 will have to be sustained by new buyers. Also, who is running the company while these guys are in chat rooms and on internet radio?
good luck guys, just wanted to give my 2 cents. It's been a long road for you, I hope it pays off (remember, I was in this under .10 when it was FHAL, doh!)
Hey SKIP dont listen to them , they are confuse with the 10k, SKIP wait for the next "big DIP" to get back in and then flip at $4...
LMAO Posted by milliam on :
I feel for Jo as well. But think about it, the pps could be at .25 right now and Jo could have been the smart one to get out. I think Jo did what Jo felt was right to do. You can't always be right.
Heck, look at me...I've held 2 big companies into bankruptcy (worldcom and williams communication), then I topped that by bag holding QBID. I'm really happy I finally got something right!
Posted by a surfer on :
Mo her # is 770-420-8270 ext. 2385 Her input would be of value to the board as well. Good luck my friend..
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by casviper: I have a huge headache. In simple terms this is my understanding.
I bought and own 2,000 shares at .34 each.
On Oct 30th I will own 2,000 shares at $15 each unless the price is lower, at which time I will own more shares at a lower pps however the value will be the same. (2,000sh x $15pps = $30,000 or 3,000sh x $10pps = $30,000)
Please let me know if my thinking is correct.
on Oct 30th? you should recieve 12,000 MORE shares...
we have no idea what the price will be when you sell them...
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by casviper: I have a huge headache. In simple terms this is my understanding.
I bought and own 2,000 shares at .34 each.
On Oct 30th I will own 2,000 shares at $15 each unless the price is lower, at which time I will own more shares at a lower pps however the value will be the same. (2,000sh x $15pps = $30,000 or 3,000sh x $10pps = $30,000)
Please let me know if my thinking is correct.
Casper, it's very simple. Take the amount of shares you had yesterday at close. Ex: your shares x 6= new share count. So if I had 2000 shares yesterday, I will have 12000 shares on Oct. 30th. Cool eh! GLTY
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by casviper: I have a huge headache. In simple terms this is my understanding.
I bought and own 2,000 shares at .34 each.
On Oct 30th I will own 2,000 shares at $15 each unless the price is lower, at which time I will own more shares at a lower pps however the value will be the same. (2,000sh x $15pps = $30,000 or 3,000sh x $10pps = $30,000)
Please let me know if my thinking is correct.
on Oct 30th? you should recieve 12,000 MORE shares...
we have no idea what the price will be when you sell them...
Glass are you still holding a few....
Posted by glassman on :
last i checked, i stll had a few..
Posted by RyanPBF on :
actually cass multiply your current shares by 7 because you are multiplying by six those are the extra you are getting. you still have to add in the ones you already have
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: well mo. I read the 10k to say whatever shares you had on the 16th will be the ones calculated for the stock issue. What ever you buy after that is just what you bought one share. That's how I read it
I think Mo is onto something...namely the 10-day rule could well be a problem, as I read the regs.
quote:The LAS Form, which is available on the “Listing On NASDAQ” page of www.NASDAQ.com, should be submitted 15 days prior to the issuance of securities or 10 days before the record date for SEC 10b-17 distributions.
10b-17 distributions apply to:
Stock split/stock dividend or reverse split;
Other distributions in cash or in kind, including a dividend or distribution of any security;
Subscription offering or rights offering/poison pill.
To me, "distribution of any security" covers this, even it's judged *not* to be a split...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Mo the one other thing that ws brought up last night by Simon before rufus was on was that he thought a company had to give investors 10 days notice for a divi.
Now I am not sure of the laws in this case considering that technically it is not a dividend.
Its a rufudend!!!
I hope the best for you as you know.
A call to Sabra might be a good idea for you too.
right from the horses mouth so to speak
BUMP
Posted by a surfer on :
Tex link is broken
Posted by Sandusky on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by casviper: I have a huge headache. In simple terms this is my understanding.
I bought and own 2,000 shares at .34 each.
On Oct 30th I will own 2,000 shares at $15 each unless the price is lower, at which time I will own more shares at a lower pps however the value will be the same. (2,000sh x $15pps = $30,000 or 3,000sh x $10pps = $30,000)
Please let me know if my thinking is correct.
Casper, it's very simple. Take the amount of shares you had yesterday at close. Ex: your shares x 6= new share count. So if I had 2000 shares yesterday, I will have 12000 shares on Oct. 30th. Cool eh! GLTY
You would have 14000 total in this scenario on 10/30. You need to multiply by 7 to include the shares you currently have.
2000 X 7
or (2000 X 6)+ 2000
Posted by milliam on :
I wonder when TDA will let people buy this again. I guess its worth a call or email today. Seems like they can't just sit back and let SEC documents come out and still keep the lid on this.
Posted by T e x on :
"rufudend"
now that's entertainment...good one Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Tex link is broken
sorry...will work on it...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
tax I think this was posted all the time in the 8-k. I think (c) set the Average Closing Price at $15.00 and pay no additional consideration to the holders of Company Shares receiving shares of Buyer's Stock as Merger Consideration
what rufus did in effect is reset the shareholder value to an equivelant to the 15pps on currently held shares. It doesn't specify how he had to do it. Maybe this is how he'll get around any of the reg's. Just a thought.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Tex link is broken
needs underscores...if link still doesn't work? copy it, then insert underscores at what appear to be blanks between "listing" "req" and "fees".
try that (don't know why they didn't copy the first time...)
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by skip:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: No offense Skip...but any investor that can't see this as a wonderful opportunity to double, triple, quadruple their money in the next 6 months should not be investing...period!
actually, that is kind of offensive.
Note that I wished you all luck and hope for the best for you all. Allstocks has traditionally been a board for stock discussion. I was just discussing my thoughts. I knew I shouldn't have posted that, I figured I would get some backlash. I just feel for your "brethren" that sold yesterday (such as Jo) and now everyone is mocking them.
again, good luck to everyone. I respect most of the folks on this board and hope this all pans out the way you want it to. [/QB]
Skip...please also note that I said "No Offense" intended. My comments were not so much directed at you, but more at those who have shorted and / or day traded this stock into the ground. What Rufus did yesterday was because of those people. Most who got out yesterday probably planed to get back in a couple of days at a lower price.
You are saying that Rufus is only taking care of those who were in on the 16th...and that he does not seem to care about the future shareholders. That is just not true. Nothing could be further from the truth. Yes, he is rewarding those who have held long and strong, but in reality, he is bringing the shareholder investment value to what it should have been in the first place. This was part of the merger agreement. That's all. If it was not for all of the crap that has been thrown at this stock, we would / should be there already.
Where do we go from here...Nasdaq, institutional investors, future stock splits, more assets (to be announced shortly), more JV's, stock issued from established JV's, audited financials with $15 billion in assets coming in November. It's all right there for those who want it.
I truly hope you take advantage of this wonderful opportunity. You seem like a nice fellow...GLTY Posted by 10of13 on :
Cassity.. I think that you may have the formula wrong... for every 1 share that you have you will get 6 MORE 1x6=6+1=7 So you may have more shares than you think come the 30th Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: actually cass multiply your current shares by 7 because you are multiplying by six those are the extra you are getting. you still have to add in the ones you already have
Yah my mistake, I just got that figured out! I am even more excited now! Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: Thank you skip and yes I feel sorry but if you do dd and know what you have and werent greedy or whatever was scared then you wouldnt have sold Know what you are about to hold before putting your money into any stock read back on those posters remarks when they were in and see if at one time they were not rude to anyone ever... then say i should feel bad even though i do but it is not my fault i did my dd and i am rewarded like so many others...even if peeps ignore me on boards no skin off my arse! I know what I have and it was nice to chat and bs when there was nothing but i do not depend on any one person but me!!!! glta
You are not ignored Luv... Posted by cassity on :
After the 30th I'll be 186k longgggggggggggg! WOW
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Cassity.. I think that you may have the formula wrong... for every 1 share that you have you will get 6 MORE 1x6=6+1=7 So you may have more shares than you think come the 30th
at what price (PPS)???? ON THE 30TH any body knows that
Posted by 10of13 on :
No one knows what the PPS will be on the 30th...maybe a buck...hopefully it will be above mmmm...30? Who knows...the thing is...you can hold them...for a greater PPS or sell them...your choice...let's se what the 30th brings...
quote:Originally posted by dollar13:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Cassity.. I think that you may have the formula wrong... for every 1 share that you have you will get 6 MORE 1x6=6+1=7 So you may have more shares than you think come the 30th
at what price (PPS)???? ON THE 30TH any body knows that
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
should run over from previous day's close.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Here are some of my thoughts:
I really love how this is all playing out, but I can't get the too good to be true out of my mind. I am holding long and strong, but here is what doesnt make sense to me. After the 6:1 ratio the book value will be $11.00 based on current assets, but not even based on another 8 billion Rufus says he has "contracted".
If we go to Nasdaq this will surely boost price too. The one thing that concerns me is that yes we have all these bonds, but where is the business plan and the JV's etc...that will make investors see the true worth of the company. If he has 15billion in bonds, but doesnt use it, then it means nothing.
Also here is the clincher...how in the world can Rufus make many investors millionaires or more. I put in a measly $8,000 in this stock, and if the price gets to $25 at one point post 6:1 ratio is $929,950.
So if this company was for real, with the assets they have compared to other companies, most of the companies trade in the $60-$150 range.
So if we can hit $25 and be on nasdaq, im a millionaire? Seems impossible.
Posted by trade04 on :
rally into the close imo
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
so what if I were to accumulate more shares before the 30th? Will I get the ratio exchange for them also?????????????
Posted by dollar13 on :
10of13 ? ok let me get this straigth ,so if i buy shares on friday 27 ,then MONDAY the 30th i will have 6 more shares for each ones i bought friday is that right??????
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Has any one been able to pull up the CSHD website this morning? It seems the site is down at the moment to me......
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: ok let me get this straigth ,so if i buy shares on friday 27 ,then MONDAY the 30th i will have 6 more shares for each ones i bought friday is that right??????
NO. It's based on the number of shares you held at EOD yesterday the 16th. The 30th is when the shares will be delivered.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Here are some of my thoughts:
I really love how this is all playing out, but I can't get the too good to be true out of my mind. I am holding long and strong, but here is what doesnt make sense to me. After the 6:1 ratio the book value will be $11.00 based on current assets, but not even based on another 8 billion Rufus says he has "contracted".
If we go to Nasdaq this will surely boost price too. The one thing that concerns me is that yes we have all these bonds, but where is the business plan and the JV's etc...that will make investors see the true worth of the company. If he has 15billion in bonds, but doesnt use it, then it means nothing.
Also here is the clincher...how in the world can Rufus make many investors millionaires or more. I put in a measly $8,000 in this stock, and if the price gets to $25 at one point post 6:1 ratio is $929,950.
So if this company was for real, with the assets they have compared to other companies, most of the companies trade in the $60-$150 range.
So if we can hit $25 and be on nasdaq, im a millionaire? Seems impossible.
Stock, did you listen to Rufus last night? This company is huge. We are going to get even BIGGER! Rufus is a very intelligent business man, he has never failed us even ONCE. Let's just sit back and thank God that he has given us a financial opportunity like this. GLTY and enjoy it!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Here are some of my thoughts:
I really love how this is all playing out, but I can't get the too good to be true out of my mind. I am holding long and strong, but here is what doesnt make sense to me. After the 6:1 ratio the book value will be $11.00 based on current assets, but not even based on another 8 billion Rufus says he has "contracted".
If we go to Nasdaq this will surely boost price too. The one thing that concerns me is that yes we have all these bonds, but where is the business plan and the JV's etc...that will make investors see the true worth of the company. If he has 15billion in bonds, but doesnt use it, then it means nothing.
Also here is the clincher...how in the world can Rufus make many investors millionaires or more. I put in a measly $8,000 in this stock, and if the price gets to $25 at one point post 6:1 ratio is $929,950.
So if this company was for real, with the assets they have compared to other companies, most of the companies trade in the $60-$150 range.
So if we can hit $25 and be on nasdaq, im a millionaire? Seems impossible.
Rufus said:
"Go read documents very carefully.........JV's do not receive any funds until we file S3's"
Tax's layout that rufus gave us says... 8k next, then PR PR S4 Then S3
Rufus' timeline is right on the money so far!!
Posted by Sandusky on :
Sorry you asked 10 not me...I'll shut up.
Posted by skip on :
hey, I was just talking with you guys, now some peeps knock my rating down? I was respectful and wished everyone well.
oh well, ratings mean...yeah, nada.
I won't bug ya anymore, good luck all.
SherriT, thanks! St. Matt, no worries bro. everyone else, GLTY!
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky:
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: ok let me get this straigth ,so if i buy shares on friday 27 ,then MONDAY the 30th i will have 6 more shares for each ones i bought friday is that right??????
NO. It's based on the number of shares you held at EOD yesterday the 16th. The 30th is when the shares will be delivered.
ok that mean than if someone buy today he/she will not get those extra shares the 30th right?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky:
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: ok let me get this straigth ,so if i buy shares on friday 27 ,then MONDAY the 30th i will have 6 more shares for each ones i bought friday is that right??????
NO. It's based on the number of shares you held at EOD yesterday the 16th. The 30th is when the shares will be delivered.
Ok, so in the meantime if I were to flip and sell all out making money, I may then buy back those shares that I started with before the 30th, possibly cheaper and still make out!!!! AWESOME!!!
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Here are some of my thoughts:
I really love how this is all playing out, but I can't get the too good to be true out of my mind. I am holding long and strong, but here is what doesnt make sense to me. After the 6:1 ratio the book value will be $11.00 based on current assets, but not even based on another 8 billion Rufus says he has "contracted".
If we go to Nasdaq this will surely boost price too. The one thing that concerns me is that yes we have all these bonds, but where is the business plan and the JV's etc...that will make investors see the true worth of the company. If he has 15billion in bonds, but doesnt use it, then it means nothing.
Also here is the clincher...how in the world can Rufus make many investors millionaires or more. I put in a measly $8,000 in this stock, and if the price gets to $25 at one point post 6:1 ratio is $929,950.
So if this company was for real, with the assets they have compared to other companies, most of the companies trade in the $60-$150 range.
So if we can hit $25 and be on nasdaq, im a millionaire? Seems impossible.
Stock, did you listen to Rufus last night? This company is huge. We are going to get even BIGGER! Rufus is a very intelligent business man, he has never failed us even ONCE. Let's just sit back and thank God that he has given us a financial opportunity like this. GLTY and enjoy it!
I did hear Rufus last night. But keep in mind what else has he done, besides being the CEO of BBAN a crappy penny stock? What I'm saying is, the company has the potential to be huge, but the one thing that concerns me is where the money from the bonds will be going, we havent seen any business plan at all!
Trust me, I want this to be HUGE, being 20 years old and making close to a million dollars is HUGE. But the question is, will investors ever have enough confidence in this one to be able to trade it close or past its book value?
Posted by CRab on :
At the end of the interview last night(around 1:20am) he went into exactly what they do...and how they make cash...you really should listen...it will open your eyes...
Not to mention the rest of the three hour interview...all of these questions are answered...listen to the interview people
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by skip:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: No offense Skip...but any investor that can't see this as a wonderful opportunity to double, triple, quadruple their money in the next 6 months should not be investing...period!
actually, that is kind of offensive.
Note that I wished you all luck and hope for the best for you all. Allstocks has traditionally been a board for stock discussion. I was just discussing my thoughts. I knew I shouldn't have posted that, I figured I would get some backlash. I just feel for your "brethren" that sold yesterday (such as Jo) and now everyone is mocking them.
again, good luck to everyone. I respect most of the folks on this board and hope this all pans out the way you want it to.
I am going to jump in only because I have worked with you, St. Matt, here, and have worked with Skip elsewhere on the board....both of you are super guys with great intentions.
Skip, I don't believe the people who sold yesterday are being mocked, though I do feel very sorry for them. To me, this was a classic case of rewarding longs vs. flippers, and any one of us could have gotten caught with our pants down. I do agree that there are amazing opportunities coming even without getting the extra shares, though I think St. Matt's choice of words was more from excitement than intending to cause offense.
Hope my comments don't cross either of you the wrong way...I want to see everyone make loads of dough, or at least be happy with the choices they make. [/QB]
SherriT...thanks, you are correct. I was just saying there is so much opportunity to make more money in this stock. If people can't see that...well, I can't help them. I am truly sorry for those who got out...honestly. If you go back and read my posts, you can see that I only want positive results for all (except the shorts).
Jo...I didn't know you got out...sorry to hear that. I'm not saying that I never considered it weeks ago when we were waiting, waiting, waiting for the 10-K and we were told it would be here...only to see the extension filed. Wow, was I bummed...go read my posts. But I believed in this group and the DD we do and I knew it would be OK. I listed to the clues and knew it would be a mistake to get out, or try to flip.
Skip, wait for a good entry point and get back in...the water is fine. Hey, I didn't hear about this stock until it was over a buck. My average purchase price is about a buck fifty. I was a bit bummed that I heard about it 2 days after the merger news and could have bought shares for a song, but I'm happy with what I have now because I believe in this company and where it is going. Again...GLTY.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Sandusky is correct...and Sandusky...go ahead and answer...sometimes the poster asks a question of someone...but that someone doesn't come back on to post...so DON"T shut up...LOL
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky:
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: ok let me get this straigth ,so if i buy shares on friday 27 ,then MONDAY the 30th i will have 6 more shares for each ones i bought friday is that right??????
NO. It's based on the number of shares you held at EOD yesterday the 16th. The 30th is when the shares will be delivered.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Here are some of my thoughts:
I really love how this is all playing out, but I can't get the too good to be true out of my mind. I am holding long and strong, but here is what doesnt make sense to me. After the 6:1 ratio the book value will be $11.00 based on current assets, but not even based on another 8 billion Rufus says he has "contracted".
If we go to Nasdaq this will surely boost price too. The one thing that concerns me is that yes we have all these bonds, but where is the business plan and the JV's etc...that will make investors see the true worth of the company. If he has 15billion in bonds, but doesnt use it, then it means nothing.
Also here is the clincher...how in the world can Rufus make many investors millionaires or more. I put in a measly $8,000 in this stock, and if the price gets to $25 at one point post 6:1 ratio is $929,950.
So if this company was for real, with the assets they have compared to other companies, most of the companies trade in the $60-$150 range.
So if we can hit $25 and be on nasdaq, im a millionaire? Seems impossible.
Stock, did you listen to Rufus last night? This company is huge. We are going to get even BIGGER! Rufus is a very intelligent business man, he has never failed us even ONCE. Let's just sit back and thank God that he has given us a financial opportunity like this. GLTY and enjoy it!
I did hear Rufus last night. But keep in mind what else has he done, besides being the CEO of BBAN a crappy penny stock? What I'm saying is, the company has the potential to be huge, but the one thing that concerns me is where the money from the bonds will be going, we havent seen any business plan at all!
Trust me, I want this to be HUGE, being 20 years old and making close to a million dollars is HUGE. But the question is, will investors ever have enough confidence in this one to be able to trade it close or past its book value?
This investor does, cause I go off of filings!
Net Income for the fiscal year ending of June 30, 2006 was $18,530,865. Total Assets for the fiscal year end was $830,009,352. Total Shareholder equity for the fiscal year end was $789,508,292. Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006. With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22. (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Ok, I'm out. Guaranteed profit.
I will look to get back in cheaper with the exact same number of shares I held on the 16th.
Good luck all and I'll keep an eye on it for sure!
Posted by trade04 on :
u guys are post moneys!!
Posted by jmoe20 on :
I just want to know where they are going to get all of the money to pay out to share holders. Say there are about 4,500 share holders total, and say on average each person makes $45,000 that's $202,500,000. I don't know many companies that can afford to give out that kind of money to its shareholders...
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky:
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: ok let me get this straigth ,so if i buy shares on friday 27 ,then MONDAY the 30th i will have 6 more shares for each ones i bought friday is that right??????
NO. It's based on the number of shares you held at EOD yesterday the 16th. The 30th is when the shares will be delivered.
Ok, so in the meantime if I were to flip and sell all out making money, I may then buy back those shares that I started with before the 30th, possibly cheaper and still make out!!!! AWESOME!!!
that is what i thou.... good play for FLIPERS like me
JOIN THEM
LMAO
Posted by 10of13 on :
This is still unclear...be careful...
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky:
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: ok let me get this straigth ,so if i buy shares on friday 27 ,then MONDAY the 30th i will have 6 more shares for each ones i bought friday is that right??????
NO. It's based on the number of shares you held at EOD yesterday the 16th. The 30th is when the shares will be delivered.
Ok, so in the meantime if I were to flip and sell all out making money, I may then buy back those shares that I started with before the 30th, possibly cheaper and still make out!!!! AWESOME!!!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
what are you talking about jmoe. They are not paying cash to anyone.
Posted by CRab on :
I think Jmoe is confused...and me thinks you guys selling out...are going to miss out...it was stated in the interview last night...you sell you are going to miss out...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: Ok, I'm out. Guaranteed profit.
I will look to get back in cheaper with the exact same number of shares I held on the 16th.
Good luck all and I'll keep an eye on it for sure!
You may have just sold out of your 6:1 ratio.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
No i just mean that people selling all there shares say make an average of $45,000
Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: Ok, I'm out. Guaranteed profit.
I will look to get back in cheaper with the exact same number of shares I held on the 16th.
Good luck all and I'll keep an eye on it for sure!
greed kills the fact that its filed to the sec i feel MUCHH better cuz if he ****s us over hell be where he belongs, in jail
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Maybe i am confused, enlighten me Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: Has any one been able to pull up the CSHD website this morning? It seems the site is down at the moment to me......
Bump............still down? and can not pull up SONGWI.COM either.
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: I just want to know where they are going to get all of the money to pay out to share holders. Say there are about 4,500 share holders total, and say on average each person makes $45,000 that's $202,500,000. I don't know many companies that can afford to give out that kind of money to its shareholders...
The money is made when some one else buys your stock.
Posted by frank021474 on :
See we only have 29/28 MM's on the Bid/Ask? Normally its more isnt it?
Posted by jmoe20 on :
I'm an idiot, i didn't mean to word it like that.... It's hard to come up with something when i have to keep minimizing my screen cause my supervisor is walking by....
Posted by NEL on :
Volume 2,280,446
So do we think these are air shares?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
jmoe when people sell. how much they make will be dependant on the pps at the time of the sale. The company isn't buying these shares from anyone.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by skip: hey, I was just talking with you guys, now some peeps knock my rating down? I was respectful and wished everyone well.
oh well, ratings mean...yeah, nada.
I won't bug ya anymore, good luck all.
SherriT, thanks! St. Matt, no worries bro. everyone else, GLTY!
Skip...I would give you some stars, but your rating thingy is off.
Posted by milliam on :
The web page is working fine for me.
Posted by NEL on :
quote:Originally posted by jmoe20: I'm an idiot, i didn't mean to word it like that.... It's hard to come up with something when i have to keep minimizing my screen cause my supervisor is walking by....
Jmoe20 nothing is probably going to happen that you can't catch up on tonight. Watch out for your supervisor.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: Ok, I'm out. Guaranteed profit.
I will look to get back in cheaper with the exact same number of shares I held on the 16th.
Good luck all and I'll keep an eye on it for sure!
You may have just sold out of your 6:1 ratio.
Not if my name is on the list twice and I kept a few shares to stay on record. I should have said almost all out. I may then pick up less or that amount in which I held the 16th depending on how I feel in a few weeks.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by frank021474: See we only have 29/28 MM's on the Bid/Ask? Normally its more isnt it?
frank I'm showing 49 on the bid and 48 on the ask. hope that helps
Posted by new2stocks on :
FWIW~
Originally Posted by Cowboys5Rings I called CSHD to find out if any shares purchased today would qualify for the 6:1. They said they would not. Come Oct 30th any share purchased after the close of Oct 16th would not receive any additional shares. Let me make it simple. 1000 shares purchased on trading Oct 17th will be 1000 shares on Oct 30th. 1000 shares owned prior to close Oct 16th will be 7000 shares on or around Oct 30th.
Personnal opinion, I don't see this price moving up much until they can get off this pink sheet manipulation and onto the NASDAQ.
I am new to writing on the board but have been reading for weeks. Thanks to all have written good posts. MM's and shorters go away. I am in this LOOOOOOONGGG.
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: So from all of this, we are up $1.70 for the day??? (1.80/6 = .30)
This seems like a hard thing to calculate. I'm new to this (well, it sounds like we're all new to THIS), but I was wondering about what the pps is going to do based off of this 6:1 deal.
At first, I thought the price would be divided by 6 on the 30th, but it sounds like the shares were based off of yesterday only, thus the price would adjust based off of yesterday's close.
If this has yet to adjust based off of the 6:1, then we need to be trading at $10.80 before the adjustment. That would put us back to $1.80 (where we'd all actually have $15 per old share). If we fall below $1.80 then we'll all be under $15 per old share.
I don't think there will be a sudden adjustment, but I figure the pps will adjust at some point. Then again, I guess you can't base the pps just off of the 6:1, you need to factor in the new BV as well. Now, if you could only get some people to factor in that BV!
Bump....do these numbers make sense to anyone?
Posted by trade04 on :
rufus said many times that buyers are coming in...these people are working with government foundations and projects... sawwweeet
Posted by milliam on :
So if a share purchased today only gives you one share after the 30th, then the naked shorters would have to buy 7 shares today to cover!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: The web page is working fine for me.
you can get on the cvsu website. I can't. Not even buy trying to go through the waatle way.
Posted by Doniboy on :
Whats happening people?Looking good today?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: The web page is working fine for me.
. . are you using http://www.cvsu.us/ , I was able to access it this morning, but for the last half an hour, I have been returned a message saying my browser can not find the server..... . .just beginning to wonder if changes are being applied... Posted by dollar13 on :
Not if my name is on the list twice and I kept a few shares to stay on record. I may then pick up less or that amount in which I held the 16th depending on how I feel in a few weeks.
it is that valid?????
chhhiiittttt WTF
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: So I don't have to read through 1000000 posts, can someone summarize in 4 sentences or less, what is happening to the stock - dividend, split, or reset? What is the ex date? And when and HOW is this going to be listed on the NASDAQ? Then I'll give my commentary.
Hey Repo. One thing that nobody here has been able to explain is that Rufus stated that Due Bills are attatched and that if you sell your shares you are selling them with the 1+6. On the flip side he also states that if you buy shares now you do not get the "divy". It does not add up - YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. Your an expert Repo - how do the "due bills attatch" just vanish in the transaction?
Just in case no one has answered this I will. Rufus never said that Due Bills were attached. In fact it was my instant message to SubPenny that brought up the subject of DUE BILLS. Rufus wasn't familiar with Due Bills and immediately did DD while on the show. He said he wasn't sure but would look into. Later he stated that the Due Bills apply to dividends and that it is for book keeping for the Broker. Best thing to do was to check with your broker. He didn't feel that it applied since this was not a dividend or forward split.
GLTA Wally
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: Ok, I'm out. Guaranteed profit.
I will look to get back in cheaper with the exact same number of shares I held on the 16th.
Good luck all and I'll keep an eye on it for sure!
You may have just sold out of your 6:1 ratio.
I have to agree...I cringed when I saw this post by Money Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: rufus lieddddddddddddd no reset price........
trade are you still holding to this comment?
Posted by Doniboy on :
Got this from Scottrade today:
Dear Client:
Thank you for your email. Unfortunately, we cannot comment on your eligibility for this dividend on CSHD at this time. We have not received any official information from DTC or Bloomberg regarding an official ex-date for this special dividend. We can confirm that your shares of CSHD are held in street name with Scottrade. The only way you can hold these shares in your name is have certificates issued or to have the shares transferred directly to the transfer agent.
Please let us know if you have any additional questions.
Sincerely, Matt R. Scottrade Financial Services, Inc.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: Ok, I'm out. Guaranteed profit.
I will look to get back in cheaper with the exact same number of shares I held on the 16th.
Good luck all and I'll keep an eye on it for sure!
You may have just sold out of your 6:1 ratio.
I have to agree...I cringed when I saw this post by Money
lol, well, I did too but have many times before. I've lost out on 100's of thousands by selling a tad bit too early...... I have made thousands playing the game and have reserved all the capital I began with. Everything I have is "free" in my brokerage accounts.
My share count in total was only 1000 unlike many of ya'll.
However, I'll take my chances.
Profit is profit!!!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Whats happening people?Looking good today?
How's the kid Donni? Getting any sleep? My daughter finally started sleeping through the night and then a tooth came in and she wakes up every 3 hours in pain.
Posted by a surfer on :
Not a dividend or a forward split = RUFUDEND.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Whats happening people?Looking good today?
How's the kid Donni? Getting any sleep? My daughter finally started sleeping through the night and then a tooth came in and she wakes up every 3 hours in pain.
Have you tried Orajel? It worked great w/ my kids.
Posted by c71clark on :
oops
Posted by Doniboy on :
She's doing well, sleeps about 4 hours at night right now No teeth yet either.....
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Whats happening people?Looking good today?
How's the kid Donni? Getting any sleep? My daughter finally started sleeping through the night and then a tooth came in and she wakes up every 3 hours in pain.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by c71clark: Hey, sorry if this has been asked already, but if Wessel was suppposed to buy 125M shares, do you suppose he did that already, or did he only buy 1/6th of that total in anticipation of the forward split?
wrong thread...
this is CSHD not SLJB
Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by c71clark: Hey, sorry if this has been asked already, but if Wessel was suppposed to buy 125M shares, do you suppose he did that already, or did he only buy 1/6th of that total in anticipation of the forward split?
might have to ask that on the SLJB board... Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Okay....CVSU website back up....looks like a new list titled
NOBO Non-Objecting Beneficial Owner List OCTOBER 3, 2006 End of Day
has been included at the bottom of the DTCC vs NOBO. I haven't looked for a couple of days here, but I think it's new info...Anyone else seeing this?
Posted by c71clark on :
doh! too many letters to remember!
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:reset pricing The purchase price of the common stock or the conversion price of a convertible security is set either (i) at closing or (ii) on a specified date after closing and is subject to adjustment (downward or upward) based on various criteria that can include fundamental performance (operational reset), a specified event (event-driven reset), or the stock price of the issuer at a given point in time after closing (threshold price reset).
Posted by GreenDay on :
I'm at work and can't read every word on every page, just trying to skim - so excuse me if this has been discussed.
I know the PPS really dones't matter right now cause Rufas has a string of PR's to come for us. But I am curious. Why do we think the PPS is not up from our 10k and is down - If none of us are selling (to we get our x's 6 shares) it should be way up. Just looking for opinions.
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay: I'm at work and can't read every word on every page, just trying to skim - so excuse me if this has been discussed.
I know the PPS really dones't matter right now cause Rufas has a string of PR's to come for us. But I am curious. Why do we think the PPS is not up from our 10k and is down - If none of us are selling (to we get our x's 6 shares) it should be way up. Just looking for opinions.
Some are selling, hoping that they will still get their 6:1 come oct 30th reguardless... and buy back in before then for their original share count.
Not worth the risk to me, ill stay in.
PPS matters now... and it will definetly climb before the 2 weeks is up.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by skip: hey, I was just talking with you guys, now some peeps knock my rating down? I was respectful and wished everyone well.
oh well, ratings mean...yeah, nada.
I won't bug ya anymore, good luck all.
SherriT, thanks! St. Matt, no worries bro. everyone else, GLTY!
Skip...I would give you some stars, but your rating thingy is off.
Ditto - I tried too Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by skip: hey, I was just talking with you guys, now some peeps knock my rating down? I was respectful and wished everyone well.
oh well, ratings mean...yeah, nada.
I won't bug ya anymore, good luck all.
SherriT, thanks! St. Matt, no worries bro. everyone else, GLTY!
Skip...I would give you some stars, but your rating thingy is off.
I tried to give you stars too but your rating is off.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by GreenDay: I'm at work and can't read every word on every page, just trying to skim - so excuse me if this has been discussed.
I know the PPS really dones't matter right now cause Rufas has a string of PR's to come for us. But I am curious. Why do we think the PPS is not up from our 10k and is down - If none of us are selling (to we get our x's 6 shares) it should be way up. Just looking for opinions.
The shorter's have had their "xxxxx" squeezed and I do not expect them to take it quietly. I expect they will be very agressive and continue to shake for inexpensive shares... please recall RPH said (to the effect) If you do not feed the beast it will go away. (sorry for the paraphrase but I did not want to take time right now to go back pages to get the exact quote.)
Posted by milliam on :
Old stuff there Bucky. No really old, but its been on there awhile and we've been over it a little I think. Probably about 60 pages ago .
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I still can't access www.cvsu.us Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Old stuff there Bucky. No really old, but its been on there awhile and we've been over it a little I think. Probably about 60 pages ago .
Thanks milliam....GLTY
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I still can't access www.cvsu.us
Ryan.....I just tried again and once more my browser kicked back message that server could not be found......but I was able to access the site about 20 minutes ago.........I wonder how many hits the CSHD website is processing today? and I wonder if ........ the people accessing it arre all good guys?
Posted by SherriT on :
Anyone else like the fact that the PPS is holding well, particularly considering that people buying today do not get the freebie shares?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
So when people start flooding the market with those extra shares come the 30th or the 1st, what happens to the pps?
Does that make people not want to buy CSHD until the 1st cause then it'd be cheaper or settled?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Whats happening people?Looking good today?
How's the kid Donni? Getting any sleep? My daughter finally started sleeping through the night and then a tooth came in and she wakes up every 3 hours in pain.
St Matt - just some adice from a mommy - there are theeting pills at WalMart. I don't remember the name. They are in a pink package & they usually have them hanging in the baby aisle instead if on the shelf. They work awesome!!!! Give baby thoses pills- they dissolve under the tongue, and some ambesol. Do that right before baby goes to bed. About an hour before she goes to bed you can also give Tylenol too- just one dropper full that's it. Baby will sleep good because your taking care of the pain topically & systemically.
Posted by SherriT on :
MoneyX3, I think we are somewhat speculating the move to NASDAQ will be before the extra shares hit the market...price would already be higher due to covering and squeeze, then the institutions would pick up buying to avoid the diluted PPS.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
why do you assume everyone's going to flood the market? we don't know everything that's in store for this stock yet. I can tell you if rufus has everything he's talked about combined with a move to naz. I won't really be selling anything.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by JHenry:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: So I don't have to read through 1000000 posts, can someone summarize in 4 sentences or less, what is happening to the stock - dividend, split, or reset? What is the ex date? And when and HOW is this going to be listed on the NASDAQ? Then I'll give my commentary.
Hey Repo. One thing that nobody here has been able to explain is that Rufus stated that Due Bills are attatched and that if you sell your shares you are selling them with the 1+6. On the flip side he also states that if you buy shares now you do not get the "divy". It does not add up - YOU CANNOT HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. Your an expert Repo - how do the "due bills attatch" just vanish in the transaction?
Just in case no one has answered this I will. Rufus never said that Due Bills were attached. In fact it was my instant message to SubPenny that brought up the subject of DUE BILLS. Rufus wasn't familiar with Due Bills and immediately did DD while on the show. He said he wasn't sure but would look into. Later he stated that the Due Bills apply to dividends and that it is for book keeping for the Broker. Best thing to do was to check with your broker. He didn't feel that it applied since this was not a dividend or forward split.
GLTA Wally
lol, i thought it was *my* IM...
but.. ya--that's what I was saying about short-pressure. Without due bills, where's (added) pressure to cover?
I think it's odd Roofie knows all these ins n outs, but is unfamiliar with due bills...
Posted by 10of13 on :
moneyx3...did you see this? The PPS as of November 1st? I am thinking MUCH higher than today...
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I see it this way... if anyone bought this AS OF YESTERDAY...now has a total of 7 shares (for every 1 that you bought) So if you got in under $2.10( as of yesterday) this stock would have to fall BELOW .30 a share in order for you to start loosing money... seems like a win at this point... AND if you buy as of today at the PPS now and this does move up to the true value...then you are ahead even greater...more win
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
To anyone that listened to the RPH interview last night.....Did Rufus make any comments about the timing and/or dates for the next PR and the 8-K and S-3, S-4 filings? (Was not able to listen and if already posted then my blurry eyes missed it and would appreciate a link.)....TY...GLTA
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Whats happening people?Looking good today?
How's the kid Donni? Getting any sleep? My daughter finally started sleeping through the night and then a tooth came in and she wakes up every 3 hours in pain.
St Matt - just some adice from a mommy - there are theeting pills at WalMart. I don't remember the name. They are in a pink package & they usually have them hanging in the baby aisle instead if on the shelf. They work awesome!!!! Give baby thoses pills- they dissolve under the tongue, and some ambesol. Do that right before baby goes to bed. About an hour before she goes to bed you can also give Tylenol too- just one dropper full that's it. Baby will sleep good because your taking care of the pain topically & systemically.
Yep the teething tablets work wonders! They are homeopathic too....
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: So when people start flooding the market with those extra shares come the 30th or the 1st, what happens to the pps?
Does that make people not want to buy CSHD until the 1st cause then it'd be cheaper or settled?
forward split that is it, that is RUFUS reset.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Anyone else like the fact that the PPS is holding well, particularly considering that people buying today do not get the freebie shares?
They'll get over it...
The "VALUE" is still there.
I see an AWESOME PR coming before EOM and a asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22 on the 10Q November 15th....
-yeah that's 7 BILLION...........
BOOYAH!!!
Pennystock?.... NOT for long!
Man if you can't see that then sell ~
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: To anyone that listened to the RPH interview last night.....Did Rufus make any comments about the timing and/or dates for the next PR and the 8-K and S-3, S-4 filings? (Was not able to listen and if already posted then my blurry eyes missed it and would appreciate a link.)....TY...GLTA
Bucky he did mention a couple 8k's, S-4, and P.R.s too !
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: So when people start flooding the market with those extra shares come the 30th or the 1st, what happens to the pps?
Does that make people not want to buy CSHD until the 1st cause then it'd be cheaper or settled?
I think the PPS will go up! Why, because we will have news to make people want to continue to buy! NASDAQ! I wonder when people will finally believe Rufus? By then you'll lose out on even more money! JMO
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe this option was used to help clean up the FTD's?...
"""""""""""""IF""""""""""""""" those who sell now LOOSE their 6 free shares, that would happen.
"IF".....
Is that why Tut said HOLD?...
Cause if you sell your shares you sell your shares plus the MM's get the 6 free ones.....
See what I'm saying?
What do we think Board?....
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
YES Rufus did!!!!
Long time ago, see how he's doing?!!
BOOYAH!!!
Posted by kcool on :
What PPS are we looking at in the near future do you think?
Posted by CRab on :
$434.92
Oh...wait...$62.13, lol...
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by dollar13:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: So when people start flooding the market with those extra shares come the 30th or the 1st, what happens to the pps?
Does that make people not want to buy CSHD until the 1st cause then it'd be cheaper or settled?
forward split that is it, that is RUFUS reset.
I never said "forward split". Those are your words.... I dunno what the hell's happening.... Back to schoolwork I guess.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe this option was used to help clean up the FTD's?...
"""""""""""""IF""""""""""""""" those who sell now LOOSE their 6 free shares, that would happen.
"IF".....
Is that why Tut said HOLD?...
Cause if you sell your shares you sell your shares plus the MM's get the 6 free ones.....
See what I'm saying?
What do we think Board?....
still trying to get clarification on that...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by kcool: What PPS are we looking at in the near future do you think?
Rufus said:
Q: If the PPS stays at around $2 / share in January, then what?
A; "Impossible, these's a few more steps in the ladder, if it does that I'll be one surprised puppy.
Q: Why wait 'til the 30th?
A:Because I have to let Nasdaq know.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
Q: Do you believe it can go to $100?
A: Yes
Q: When?
A: in a few weeks!!
So I guess $2.00 - $100.00 Posted by RyanPBF on :
what does everyone think this is going to do eod?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
NITE won't budge off the ask since he's been sitting there at least 21,000 shares were bought at 1.96 and he hasn't moved
Posted by CRab on :
Can no one get through to CSHD? Ya'll have been calling for days now...just keep calling and ask them point blank what it is you want to know. Be reasonable...something like, "If I were to sell right now do I lose my six extra shares?", and "If so, where do the six extra shares go?"
Simple enough...someone make some calls and ask those questions...
Off to lunch...
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Did it ever occur to anyone that maybe this option was used to help clean up the FTD's?...
"""""""""""""IF""""""""""""""" those who sell now LOOSE their 6 free shares, that would happen.
"IF".....
Is that why Tut said HOLD?...
Cause if you sell your shares you sell your shares plus the MM's get the 6 free ones.....
See what I'm saying?
What do we think Board?....
Definitely a possibility. How would the MM's get my free shares when I held them on the 16th? If anything bought today is nonvalid then what I sold today is not eligible for the free shares. So if I just buy my "regular" shares back to fill and match the List's numbers why am I not eligible?
Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: what does everyone think this is going to do eod?
my gut tells me shake and bake..a lot of stocks when the mms move them down around this time, ur in for a real treat at the end covering eod i hope
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: what does everyone think this is going to do eod?
I say we trade at $1.70 - $2.40 PPS over the next few days until the 10K is fully under stood or until another really good PR shows up . After that , who knows .
As for the EOD - $1.91
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Anyone else like the fact that the PPS is holding well, particularly considering that people buying today do not get the freebie shares?
They'll get over it...
The "VALUE" is still there.
I see an AWESOME PR coming before EOM and a asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22 on the 10Q November 15th....
-yeah that's 7 BILLION...........
BOOYAH!!!
Pennystock?.... NOT for long!
Man if you can't see that then sell ~
Chart - did Cass or someone say that the 10Q is actually due before Nov. 15th - more like right around the 30th?
Posted by dollar13 on :
this make me believe that no one have interest in buying SHARES today to hold ,cause people than is buying today wont have those extra shares ( at what price PPS WOULD BE THE 30th anyway ) Only longs should be buying right now IMHO they are not buying.
Only flippers right now...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Moneyx3 This is being talked about on other boards...
Triggertime HSM Newbie
Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 31 Warning for people flipping today If you have long shares and bought more today to flip, who's to say your broker won't settle the trades with your long shares (with 6 shares attached) when you sell. How much do you trust your broker with so much at stake? I don't! If you want to flip CSHD you might want to get a seperate account with no long shares in it. Flip at own risk.
Posted by trade04 on :
think about it...we got the bonds, next thing is prs of projects to da moooon
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Anyone else like the fact that the PPS is holding well, particularly considering that people buying today do not get the freebie shares?
They'll get over it...
The "VALUE" is still there.
I see an AWESOME PR coming before EOM and a asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22 on the 10Q November 15th....
-yeah that's 7 BILLION...........
BOOYAH!!!
Pennystock?.... NOT for long!
Man if you can't see that then sell ~
Chart - did Cass or someone say that the 10Q is actually due before Nov. 15th - more like right around the 30th?
I suppose they could do that....
ALOT of NAZ talk from Rufus!
Rufus: "We met the Qualifications for Nasdaq Tues of Last week!!!!!"
Said that CSHD has met the requirements for uplisting since last Tuesday- and to watch for news.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
so now there are "Long" shares and "Short" shares? They are distinguishable?
If MY name is on the list they cannot take them from me if I have that same amount of shares at the end of the month that I do now.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Money, he just meant flippers vs longs... Posted by AzGunn on :
Anyone know how this would work, or not work?
I did not have time to set up my brokerage account so I gave some $ to a friend who was also getting some CSHD. So all the shares are in his name. We were going to transfer my share of the shares into my account tomorrow, but I do not want to miss out on the 7X shares. Should I just leave them be and then transfer them after the Oct 30th? Or if I do transfer now, will the extra shares follow into my new account? THANKS
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: think about it...we got the bonds, next thing is prs of projects to da moooon
Dude, are you bipolar? What's with the pro & con posts today?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
little action? Going up EOD? Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by trade04: think about it...we got the bonds, next thing is prs of projects to da moooon
Dude, are you bipolar? What's with the pro & con posts today?
I asked that earlier of him. haven't gotten a response yet.
Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by trade04: think about it...we got the bonds, next thing is prs of projects to da moooon
Dude, are you bipolar? What's with the pro & con posts today?
lol no just havent slept a wink
Posted by RyanPBF on :
do you still stand by your statement that rufus is a liar?
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04:
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader2006:
quote:Originally posted by trade04: think about it...we got the bonds, next thing is prs of projects to da moooon
Dude, are you bipolar? What's with the pro & con posts today?
lol no just havent slept a wink
You must have sold yesterday, huh?
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: well mo. I read the 10k to say whatever shares you had on the 16th will be the ones calculated for the stock issue. What ever you buy after that is just what you bought one share. That's how I read it
I think Mo is onto something...namely the 10-day rule could well be a problem, as I read the regs.
quote:The LAS Form, which is available on the “Listing On NASDAQ” page of www.NASDAQ.com, should be submitted 15 days prior to the issuance of securities or 10 days before the record date for SEC 10b-17 distributions.
10b-17 distributions apply to:
Stock split/stock dividend or reverse split;
Other distributions in cash or in kind, including a dividend or distribution of any security;
Subscription offering or rights offering/poison pill.
To me, "distribution of any security" covers this, even it's judged *not* to be a split...
My understanding is that since it was filed as part of the 8K and 8KA, the reset, that was the notification. It was well publicized. Now the 10 days are the notification that the company was required to do for NASD. NASD could come back with something, I know they have in the past so that is why I will hold. Until I'm sure I will get the distribution I won't sell anything. I also don't want to give the brokers any chance to screw around. don't want to be in the situation of fighting it out instead of being able to decide when I want to take profits. You know let the dust settle.
GLTA Wally
Posted by trade04 on :
he did tell a lie...he said it would be halted then reset...
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
You own them, nm. Sorry.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
no he said it might not need to be halted, and who knows what's going to happen on the 30th when we get the reset. What if we reset and then get listed on naz it'll be a 3 day halt.
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: he did tell a lie...he said it would be halted then reset...
What PR was that?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: he did tell a lie...he said it would be halted then reset...
enough already....
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: so now there are "Long" shares and "Short" shares? They are distinguishable?
If MY name is on the list they cannot take them from me if I have that same amount of shares at the end of the month that I do now.
I think the question is proving you owned X shares on the 16th. In your case, you would get some free shares - whatever you didn't sell yesterday X 7.
Posted by AzGunn on :
Actually the shares were purchased in late July. His name is on the NOBO list. I am justing asking whether it would be best to transfer now or wait till after the 30th. Just do not want to lose out on the 7X shares. Thanks
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Anyone know how this would work, or not work?
I did not have time to set up my brokerage account so I gave some $ to a friend who was also getting some CSHD. So all the shares are in his name. We were going to transfer my share of the shares into my account tomorrow, but I do not want to miss out on the 7X shares. Should I just leave them be and then transfer them after the Oct 30th? Or if I do transfer now, will the extra shares follow into my new account? THANKS
If they are in your buddies name then you may not have been on the list. If you are not you may email CSHD and they'll update it.
Posted by trade04 on :
trust me its there...look for it urself
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: he did tell a lie...he said it would be halted then reset...
come on he didnt lie ,Reset is on .
the only problem is than we are not going to be rich . It's so SIMPLE to understand
LMAO
i am Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: well mo. I read the 10k to say whatever shares you had on the 16th will be the ones calculated for the stock issue. What ever you buy after that is just what you bought one share. That's how I read it
I think Mo is onto something...namely the 10-day rule could well be a problem, as I read the regs.
quote:The LAS Form, which is available on the “Listing On NASDAQ” page of www.NASDAQ.com, should be submitted 15 days prior to the issuance of securities or 10 days before the record date for SEC 10b-17 distributions.
10b-17 distributions apply to:
Stock split/stock dividend or reverse split;
Other distributions in cash or in kind, including a dividend or distribution of any security;
Subscription offering or rights offering/poison pill.
To me, "distribution of any security" covers this, even it's judged *not* to be a split...
My understanding is that since it was filed as part of the 8K and 8KA, the reset, that was the notification. It was well publicized. Now the 10 days are the notification that the company was required to do for NASD. NASD could come back with something, I know they have in the past so that is why I will hold. Until I'm sure I will get the distribution I won't sell anything. I also don't want to give the brokers any chance to screw around. don't want to be in the situation of fighting it out instead of being able to decide when I want to take profits. You know let the dust settle.
GLTA Wally
You're saying the "we choose option C" language (which btw is worded differently than original option c) was filed before yesterday? and, further, that would constitute notice to NASD?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Actually the shares were purchased in late July. His name is on the NOBO list. I am justing asking whether it would be best to transfer now or wait till after the 30th. Just do not want to lose out on the 7X shares. Thanks
As long as you trust the guy , which I'm sure you do , I'd just wait until its all done and then transfer the correct amount into your account . Just my .02
Posted by BooDog on :
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Posted by BooDog on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Anyone know how this would work, or not work?
I did not have time to set up my brokerage account so I gave some $ to a friend who was also getting some CSHD. So all the shares are in his name. We were going to transfer my share of the shares into my account tomorrow, but I do not want to miss out on the 7X shares. Should I just leave them be and then transfer them after the Oct 30th? Or if I do transfer now, will the extra shares follow into my new account? THANKS
If they are in your buddies name then you may not have been on the list. If you are not you may email CSHD and they'll update it.
that's the same as saying you went 1 for 1 on the lottery ticket, but only his name is on it...lol
Posted by new2stocks on :
Originally Posted by RufusPaulHarris $15.00 USD (United States Dollars) Option C
Actual Closing Price = $1.80
15.00 USD / 1.80 ACP = 8.30
8.30 – 1.80 (the share you hold) = Shares to you (6.53) rounded down to 6
Each share holder (of record on 10/16 10/k filing date) gets 6 newly issued shares from the company
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: he did tell a lie...he said it would be halted then reset...
He wanted to catch the mm's off guard! I think he did a good job.. He said we would get $15 a share and we are getting the equivalent or even better. I'm WAY happier they did it this way. It kept all the jacka$$e$ out of the stock who were just in it for the RESET! I think he did a great job of separating the mice and men/women!
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Actually the shares were purchased in late July. His name is on the NOBO list. I am justing asking whether it would be best to transfer now or wait till after the 30th. Just do not want to lose out on the 7X shares. Thanks
As long as you trust the guy , which I'm sure you do , I'd just wait until its all done and then transfer the correct amount into your account . Just my .02
Ditto - I would leave everything as is...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Originally Posted by RufusPaulHarris $15.00 USD (United States Dollars) Option C
Actual Closing Price = $1.80
15.00 USD / 1.80 ACP = 8.30
8.30 – 1.80 (the share you hold) = Shares to you (6.53) rounded down to 6
Each share holder (of record on 10/16 10/k filing date) gets 6 newly issued shares from the company
"ANOTHER" nice job New2!!!
Posted by cassity on :
I would want to be in this regardless of the shares. This will have the short squeeze of a lifetime in a very SHORT time period. Get ready all, it's gonna be GRRRRRREEEAAAATTTT!
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Actually the shares were purchased in late July. His name is on the NOBO list. I am justing asking whether it would be best to transfer now or wait till after the 30th. Just do not want to lose out on the 7X shares. Thanks
As long as you trust the guy , which I'm sure you do , I'd just wait until its all done and then transfer the correct amount into your account . Just my .02
I don't know if you can even do that at all--don't we all sign something to the effect that only *I* can trade in *my* account? May be easier simply to tell your pal when to sell, then get the dough from him...
Posted by 10of13 on :
I'd play it safe and wait....
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Actually the shares were purchased in late July. His name is on the NOBO list. I am justing asking whether it would be best to transfer now or wait till after the 30th. Just do not want to lose out on the 7X shares. Thanks
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: well mo. I read the 10k to say whatever shares you had on the 16th will be the ones calculated for the stock issue. What ever you buy after that is just what you bought one share. That's how I read it
I think Mo is onto something...namely the 10-day rule could well be a problem, as I read the regs.
quote:The LAS Form, which is available on the “Listing On NASDAQ” page of www.NASDAQ.com, should be submitted 15 days prior to the issuance of securities or 10 days before the record date for SEC 10b-17 distributions.
10b-17 distributions apply to:
Stock split/stock dividend or reverse split;
Other distributions in cash or in kind, including a dividend or distribution of any security;
Subscription offering or rights offering/poison pill.
To me, "distribution of any security" covers this, even it's judged *not* to be a split...
My understanding is that since it was filed as part of the 8K and 8KA, the reset, that was the notification. It was well publicized. Now the 10 days are the notification that the company was required to do for NASD. NASD could come back with something, I know they have in the past so that is why I will hold. Until I'm sure I will get the distribution I won't sell anything. I also don't want to give the brokers any chance to screw around. don't want to be in the situation of fighting it out instead of being able to decide when I want to take profits. You know let the dust settle.
GLTA Wally
You're saying the "we choose option C" language (which btw is worded differently than original option c) was filed before yesterday? and, further, that would constitute notice to NASD?
Yes. I do see that it is worded differently. Now as I said, NASD will still way in on this so things could change because of them, we have all seen this happen in the past. That is why I'm holding and taking no chances.
GLTA Wally
Posted by glassman on :
I don't know if you can even do that at all--don't we all sign something to the effect that only *I* can trade in *my* account? May be easier simply to tell your pal when to sell, then get the dough from him...
taxes? you guys have a bit of a mess...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Actually the shares were purchased in late July. His name is on the NOBO list. I am justing asking whether it would be best to transfer now or wait till after the 30th. Just do not want to lose out on the 7X shares. Thanks
As long as you trust the guy , which I'm sure you do , I'd just wait until its all done and then transfer the correct amount into your account . Just my .02
Ditto - I would leave everything as is...
Also get it in writing that you gave him money. Sign it in front of a notary. cover your bases
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: I don't know if you can even do that at all--don't we all sign something to the effect that only *I* can trade in *my* account? May be easier simply to tell your pal when to sell, then get the dough from him...
taxes? you guys have a bit of a mess...
Should be once you sell only, right?...
And as a regular share... IMO (?)
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Actually the shares were purchased in late July. His name is on the NOBO list. I am justing asking whether it would be best to transfer now or wait till after the 30th. Just do not want to lose out on the 7X shares. Thanks
As long as you trust the guy , which I'm sure you do , I'd just wait until its all done and then transfer the correct amount into your account . Just my .02
I don't know if you can even do that at all--don't we all sign something to the effect that only *I* can trade in *my* account? May be easier simply to tell your pal when to sell, then get the dough from him...
Tex can't his buddy gift the shares to him. that he is entitled to
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I'd play it safe and wait....
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Actually the shares were purchased in late July. His name is on the NOBO list. I am justing asking whether it would be best to transfer now or wait till after the 30th. Just do not want to lose out on the 7X shares. Thanks
I would take to my broker or even an attorney before doing anything. I'm not sure how you would go about taking shares in someone else's name and putting them in your account. You could be opening yourself up for gifting tax. Be careful.
GLTA Wally
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Doniboy: Whats happening people?Looking good today?
How's the kid Donni? Getting any sleep? My daughter finally started sleeping through the night and then a tooth came in and she wakes up every 3 hours in pain.
St Matt - just some adice from a mommy - there are theeting pills at WalMart. I don't remember the name. They are in a pink package & they usually have them hanging in the baby aisle instead if on the shelf. They work awesome!!!! Give baby thoses pills- they dissolve under the tongue, and some ambesol. Do that right before baby goes to bed. About an hour before she goes to bed you can also give Tylenol too- just one dropper full that's it. Baby will sleep good because your taking care of the pain topically & systemically.
Thanks guys...we were doing the Tylenol and ambesol thing, but she was still waking up. I will check out the pills at Walmart...thanks again.
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: I don't know if you can even do that at all--don't we all sign something to the effect that only *I* can trade in *my* account? May be easier simply to tell your pal when to sell, then get the dough from him...
taxes? you guys have a bit of a mess...
yep...they kind of screwed themselves...gonna get hit with capital gains and gift tax...
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: think about it...we got the bonds, next thing is prs of projects to da moooon
It's a good thing you changed your tune Trade- we were worried about you!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I have a similar situation. I plan on giving shares to some people. I want to find tax wise the cheapest way to do this.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Yes. I do see that it is worded differently. Now as I said, NASD will still way in on this so things could change because of them, we have all seen this happen in the past. That is why I'm holding and taking no chances.
GLTA Wally
so maybe I'm wondering about nothing--when was the "we choose option c" first released/filed?
thanks...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: Originally Posted by RufusPaulHarris $15.00 USD (United States Dollars) Option C
Actual Closing Price = $1.80
15.00 USD / 1.80 ACP = 8.30
8.30 – 1.80 (the share you hold) = Shares to you (6.53) rounded down to 6
Each share holder (of record on 10/16 10/k filing date) gets 6 newly issued shares from the company
Thanks New2Stocks...maybe we can have some closure on this issue. Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I have a similar situation. I plan on giving shares to some people. I want to find tax wise the cheapest way to do this.
buy them stuff...no joke...
if its people you love set up a trust and put ownership of big ticket items in there...
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by thesource:
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: Actually the shares were purchased in late July. His name is on the NOBO list. I am justing asking whether it would be best to transfer now or wait till after the 30th. Just do not want to lose out on the 7X shares. Thanks
As long as you trust the guy , which I'm sure you do , I'd just wait until its all done and then transfer the correct amount into your account . Just my .02
I don't know if you can even do that at all--don't we all sign something to the effect that only *I* can trade in *my* account? May be easier simply to tell your pal when to sell, then get the dough from him...
Tex can't his buddy gift the shares to him. that he is entitled to
if it were me? I'd simply call pally and say,"Hey, sell mine at x price--lemme know when you get the dough."
Posted by Jenna on :
What has the volume been lately - this is a lot lower than normal right? That means people are holding on tight! Good! Let them sweat...
Hey Shortie- Rufus called wanted to know if you wanted your gonads back.........
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Is my streamer stuck....or has there be NO trades for the last ten minutes?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Can you request certs in the name of others or sign over for a "debt" free and clear?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Awahh shoot...it moved just after I hit the post button.....
Posted by thesource on :
I think the shorts are trying to figure out what to do ........... GOOD LUCK !!!
Posted by CRab on :
nope...that is a gift...the worst tax there is...
Go talk to a tax attorney when this pays off...he'll probably charge you a few hundred buck for an hour...it'll be well worth it...he can help with estate planning as well...it's just good sense to go talk to one of these people...
Posted by new2stocks on :
cassity~nice allstocks mention on HSM!! Posted by AzGunn on :
I think if the gift is under $12000 there is no taxes on it. That is why I was hoping to transfer shares before the 30th (since my share is under that threshold). But I would rather pay taxes than miss out on the 7X shares.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: I think if the gift is under $12000 there is no taxes on it. That is why I was hoping to transfer shares before the 30th (since my share is under that threshold). But I would rather pay taxes than miss out on the 7X shares.
you can give children $11k per year, from each spouse...dunno about friends
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well I had a set amount of shares. I was going to give these people. So what I might do if this really takes off is hold it for a year so. I'll only have to pay 15% tax and give them what the cash value would be.
Posted by CRab on :
haha...I was just assuming it will be far larger than a $12k transfer after the fact...just don't let your friend sell anything until you talk to someone that knows what he/she is talking about...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: nope...that is a gift...the worst tax there is...
Go talk to a tax attorney when this pays off...he'll probably charge you a few hundred buck for an hour...it'll be well worth it...he can help with estate planning as well...it's just good sense to go talk to one of these people...
You can gift 20 grand tax free to a son or daughter per annum.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Yes. I do see that it is worded differently. Now as I said, NASD will still way in on this so things could change because of them, we have all seen this happen in the past. That is why I'm holding and taking no chances.
GLTA Wally
so maybe I'm wondering about nothing--when was the "we choose option c" first released/filed?
thanks...
bump for Wally... 'fraid I'd get lost on "last page" Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by AzGunn: I think if the gift is under $12000 there is no taxes on it. That is why I was hoping to transfer shares before the 30th (since my share is under that threshold). But I would rather pay taxes than miss out on the 7X shares.
you can give children $11k per year, from each spouse...dunno about friends
that is for anyone...friends, family, a bum on the street corner...doesn't matter...
Posted by cassity on :
From HSM: Today, 02:52 PM #3608 RufusPaulHarris HSM Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 57 How about a little market news, TD AMERITRADE applied for a loan with Smith Barney, and was rejected. FACT
The dominos are beginning to fall.
Long and Strong __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Hi Gang!!!
Just have a minute or two here...
Remember when I said that Rufas may be dealing out an early "Trick or Treat" to the MM's?
Looks like he opted for the REAL HALLOWEEN thing...
New shares on the 30th makes for a nasty TRICK on the MM's .. and a tastey TREAT for us
Hope it doesn't end up like the Charlie Brown Halloween....."I GOT A ROCK"
Posted by stocktrader2006 on :
Go Rufus!!!!!!!!!!!
Could that be a loan for their losses in CSHD?
lol
Posted by 10of13 on :
TD couldn't get a loan?...darn! Must have been the income to debt ratio thing!
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
You can gift 20 grand tax free to a son or daughter per annum.
haha...from grandma and grandpa as well... Posted by 10of13 on :
Unless that "rock" is a diamond... .
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: Hi Gang!!!
Just have a minute or two here...
Remember when I said that Rufas may be dealing out an early "Trick or Treat" to the MM's?
Looks like he opted for the REAL HALLOWEEN thing...
New shares on the 30th makes for a nasty TRICK on the MM's .. and a tastey TREAT for us
Hope it doesn't end up like the Charlie Brown Halloween....."I GOT A ROCK"
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:
You can gift 20 grand tax free to a son or daughter per annum.
haha...from grandma and grandpa as well...
Now you want to talk about trust funds....
Posted by CRab on :
yeah...there are MANY ways to get creative...save yourself...and your kids and grandkids some bank...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Originally Posted by RufusPaulHarris How about a little market news, TD AMERITRADE applied for a loan with Smith Barney, and was rejected. FACT
The dominos are beginning to fall.
Long and Strong ================================
Yeap, thats funny!!!
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Who is the MM (s) that TD uses?
quote:Originally posted by cassity: From HSM: Today, 02:52 PM #3608 RufusPaulHarris HSM Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 57 How about a little market news, TD AMERITRADE applied for a loan with Smith Barney, and was rejected. FACT
The dominos are beginning to fall.
Long and Strong __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Posted by Chartwalker on :
TDA halted SSSU...some sort of imbalance of shares....hahahaha!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
[is this true?]
October 17, 2006 Ameritrade Halts Purchases of Silver Screen Studios Traders are piling on shares of Silver Screen Studios Inc. (OTC: SSSU) after it was confirmed today that online brokerage firm Ameritrade is no longer allowing its customers to purchase shares of the penny stock company. While no explanation was given, one reason for the move could be that Ameritrade has identified a share imbalance, where more shares have been bought than legally exist, and it does not want to contribute to this problem further. This action has raised suspicion among the investment community, especially in light of the announcement by Silver Screen to request a NOBO list, a non-objecting beneficial ownership list to help identify a potential naked short position in its company's shares. The current share structure is as follows; 254 million shares outstanding and in the float, with currently 2 billion authorized, but management has said it is in the process of reducing the number of authorized shares to 1 billion. In early afternoon trading, shares of the company are beginning to light up the trading screen, higher by $.0045, or 13.85%, to $.037 on volume of 34 million shares.
from paltalk...
Posted by 10of13 on :
Are you serious?
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: TDA halted SSSU...some sort of imbalance of shares....hahahaha!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
RufusPaulHarris HSM Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 58 Quote: Originally Posted by occidental Not to get in between, but a better book value will benefit us a lot more than the actual $15 we received as of yesterday at close.
Rufus says: HMMMM, if that was the case; how about some food for thought
We are at $2 with a $70 PSBV, right NOW.
Remember the sellers make the market __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp
Posted by djg7 on :
I saw that on the SSSU board.
Posted by cassity on :
From HSM:
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 58 Quote: Originally Posted by occidental Not to get in between, but a better book value will benefit us a lot more than the actual $15 we received as of yesterday at close.
HMMMM, if that was the case; how about some food for thought
We are at $2 with a $70 PSBV, right NOW.
Remember the sellers make the market __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
m HSM:
Posted by Chartwalker on :
ha, beat ya that time cass!
Man this is fun!! ha ha ~~
Posted by trade04 on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: [qb] Who is the MM (s) that TD uses?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cassity: [qb] From HSM: Today, 02:52 PM #3608 RufusPaulHarris HSM Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 57 How about a little market news, TD AMERITRADE applied for a loan with Smith Barney, and was rejected. FACT
The dominos are beginning to fall.
Long and Strong __________________ uh yea a pr would be nice Dufus...lol
Posted by luvforever on :
I will tell you straight up! A friend of ours died she had over 25ooo.ooo in stocks and a house worth 70,ooo.ooo and 33,ooo.ooo in the bank and it was all willed to us! No taxes no nothing plus 25,ooo.ooo cash plus 15.ooo.ooo in antique furniture at a guestimate all tax f'ing free! The woman was a sweetheart and never knew it was in the will! That has been the best a person could ever do! Sorry to see her go, she was in her 70's sweetest person youd ever come across..smart as hell! She only bought like 10 shares of att comcast bell etc but darn it she made out like a bandit and was getting over 600. a month in divys God bless her and may she rest in peace! So certs can be transfered etc and its tax free if they dont cah out but it will be taxed then.....check with your attorney.
Posted by glassman on :
I'm sorry and yet...... Holy Cow Luv!.. ~~~
Posted by CRab on :
They didn't mention the METHOD in which it was to be done. They mentioned that it would BE done. The fact that we did not know all of the ways in which that was possible is our own fault.
That is way I'm looking at it. Is there something wrong with my logic?
Posted by PCola77 on :
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but that was announced yesterday at the latest.
Presumably, they notified NASD at least 10 days ago... and lottsa times they're in timely filings, too...even in a pre-14...haven't looked for this one specifically.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: They didn't mention the METHOD in which it was to be done. They mentioned that it would BE done. The fact that we did not know all of the ways in which that was possible is our own fault.
That is way I'm looking at it. Is there something wrong with my logic?
maybe...
the question is, was NASD notified of the stock disbursement, whether it's technically forward-split or not... regardless, rule 10b-17 seems to require at least 10 days' notification...
Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: he did tell a lie...he said it would be halted then reset...
If you listened to Rufus...he also said he might not require a halt...so he did not lie.
If you want to get technical I am pretty sure trading was halted after 4p yesterday and reopened after reset this morning at 9:30...lol
Posted by luvforever on :
No crap we just signed everything today! She taught me a lot and I've only known her for 3 years. So why did she do it? Maybe cause we got her groceries every week mowed her lawn took her garbage to the curb? Do something nice and it gets paid forward . I will help someone else out too. Believe me there are caring peeps out there.
Posted by a surfer on :
Quote: Originally Posted by kewlman no i didn't b/c you can't release a 10k with a record shareholder date of oct 30 then turn around 4 hours after the close and say opps it suppost to be monday the 16th. I had shares for about a month and sold before the close on moday b/c the 10k said i had to oct 30 to be a record shareholder. Well i did call Sabra Dabbs and told her what happen and she said as long as my name was on the oct 3 list and i sold right before close on the 16th i should still get the 6 additional shares i had when i sold. She said their should be another pr soon about if you sold before the market closed on the 16th.
Wow, they are even taking care of you panic sellers. Thats going above and beyond. __________________ from HSM
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I had not seen it mentioned either...but did you see glass' post right above yours?
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Wally,
did a "search" on the amended 8K and the 8K that preceded... do *not* find mention of this option to issue shares, ie, the "new" option c.
????
This is a Dividend, not a Split. But Rufus says that it is really a Threshhold Price Reset and is somehow different.
Posted by a surfer on :
where is Jo... She will be given the extra shares!!!! Someone P.M. her the above message
Posted by dog on :
How we doin? I'm at work without a care in the world.
My Merrill guy is very excited. He ran the 10k's, SEC filings and PR's past the head of the Equities Trade department at Merrill.
Even the equities specialist said this was, and still is an amazing opportunity. Mr. Harris has so far accomplished all that he said he would do against tremendous odds. He went on to say that if they get the NASDAQ listing with the current assets.. "watch out."
Even the big boys are starting to believe. Needless to say they want all of my shares in the Merrill account.
Feels good when your agent tells you that it looks like you made the play of a lifetime.
"How'd you find out about this?" he asked... I told him..a friend and Allstocks.
Thanks everybody.
HOLD TIL 100! My new motto... and I reserve the right to add zeroes to this at a future date.
Posted by luvforever on :
Now as far as the stock listen to the rebroadcast if i am correct Rufas said you can sell ur original shares and will still get the x six on or about oct 20th but if you sell you are creating liquidity in the market it is up to us to do our part ( now i want it in black and white) before i would sell so its up to you do you want to be greedy? He said he is happy if you made $ flippin but if you want something more dont get caught with your pants down !!!! LOL You see whatever you are willing to do is up to you and no one to blame but yourself! glta
Posted by new2stocks on :
Today, 02:26 PM #3786 RufusPaulHarris HSM Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 59 Additional food for thought
Larger Merge today talked about on all investment channels.
Making the largest futures trading platform, HMMMM
Changes are afoot in the financial markets.
The recent announcement of a proposed merger between the New York Stock Exchange and Chicago's Archipelago Holdings Inc. might hold relevance for two of Chicago's greatest financial institutions.
The members of the Chicago Board of Trade recently voted to convert to a shareholder-owned company, paving the way for a possible initial public offering and opening up other opportunities.
This represents a pivotal move at an important time for the world's oldest futures exchange as well as for the City of Chicago.
The CBOT has achieved great success for which its present leadership deserves great credit. Chairman Charlie Carey and President/CEO Bernie Dan courageously have responded to challenges that could have brought down a lesser institution. Backed by a comprehensive strategy and deft execution, the CBOT beat back a challenge by Eurex US to the CBOT's dominance in the important U.S. Treasury futures complex.
Throughout the past several years, the intrepid members of the Exchange have proved their mettle by taking on enormous financial risk and handling record volumes of transactions.
Most of our Futures will be traded on the new platform __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Quote: Originally Posted by kewlman no i didn't b/c you can't release a 10k with a record shareholder date of oct 30 then turn around 4 hours after the close and say opps it suppost to be monday the 16th. I had shares for about a month and sold before the close on moday b/c the 10k said i had to oct 30 to be a record shareholder. Well i did call Sabra Dabbs and told her what happen and she said as long as my name was on the oct 3 list and i sold right before close on the 16th i should still get the 6 additional shares i had when i sold. She said their should be another pr soon about if you sold before the market closed on the 16th.
Wow, they are even taking care of you panic sellers. Thats going above and beyond. __________________ from HSM
That sounds like more "having it both ways" to me... like being a lil bit pregnant...the date is the date, doesn't matter whether it's "right before close."
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Wow, they are even taking care of you panic sellers. Thats going above and beyond.
They should have no responsibility for such... Everyone has known about the reset for quite some time, yet continued to take the risk of jumping in and out.
Those that got out monday are the type that rufus wanted to get rid of, supposevely.
Why would he want to go back and help those that werent in it for the long and only for the quick buck?
Posted by luvforever on :
sorry oct 30th my boo boo
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: They didn't mention the METHOD in which it was to be done. They mentioned that it would BE done. The fact that we did not know all of the ways in which that was possible is our own fault.
That is way I'm looking at it. Is there something wrong with my logic?
maybe...
the question is, was NASD notified of the stock disbursement, whether it's technically forward-split or not... regardless, rule 10b-17 seems to require at least 10 days' notification...
I think that is why Rufus made the comment last night about NASDAQ requiring the 10 day period. The disbursement is more than 10 days away from yesterday. Thoughts?
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: HOLD TIL 100! My new motto... and I reserve the right o add zeroes to this at a future date.
lol nice motto..
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Quote: Originally Posted by kewlman no i didn't b/c you can't release a 10k with a record shareholder date of oct 30 then turn around 4 hours after the close and say opps it suppost to be monday the 16th. I had shares for about a month and sold before the close on moday b/c the 10k said i had to oct 30 to be a record shareholder. Well i did call Sabra Dabbs and told her what happen and she said as long as my name was on the oct 3 list and i sold right before close on the 16th i should still get the 6 additional shares i had when i sold. She said their should be another pr soon about if you sold before the market closed on the 16th.
Wow, they are even taking care of you panic sellers. Thats going above and beyond. __________________ from HSM
So Jo may be ok? Hope so.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: I had not seen it mentioned either...but did you see glass' post right above yours?
quote:Originally posted by T e x: Wally,
did a "search" on the amended 8K and the 8K that preceded... do *not* find mention of this option to issue shares, ie, the "new" option c.
????
This is a Dividend, not a Split. But Rufus says that it is really a Threshhold Price Reset and is somehow different.
yet, he didn't know about "due bills"? That's just strange, in my book.
Posted by glassman on :
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your point, but that was announced yesterday at the latest.
See this thread:
i see that now that you point it out...
i'm just reading the dates off the splits site...
they say what they say...
i check the splits site all the time anyway...
i only check our RS board when i'm in one of the micro's which i am not right now..
just trying to figure out WTF is really going on...
there are others posted over there as well...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 59 Additional food for thought
Larger Merge today talked about on all investment channels.
Making the largest futures trading platform, HMMMM
Changes are afoot in the financial markets.
The recent announcement of a proposed merger between the New York Stock Exchange and Chicago's Archipelago Holdings Inc. might hold relevance for two of Chicago's greatest financial institutions.
The members of the Chicago Board of Trade recently voted to convert to a shareholder-owned company, paving the way for a possible initial public offering and opening up other opportunities.
This represents a pivotal move at an important time for the world's oldest futures exchange as well as for the City of Chicago.
The CBOT has achieved great success for which its present leadership deserves great credit. Chairman Charlie Carey and President/CEO Bernie Dan courageously have responded to challenges that could have brought down a lesser institution. Backed by a comprehensive strategy and deft execution, the CBOT beat back a challenge by Eurex US to the CBOT's dominance in the important U.S. Treasury futures complex.
Throughout the past several years, the intrepid members of the Exchange have proved their mettle by taking on enormous financial risk and handling record volumes of transactions.
Most of our Futures will be traded on the new platform __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
That means OPTIONS ARE COMING!!!!!
BIG $$$$$$$$ I'll give everyone here the inside scoop from my "OptionXpress" account!!!
Which, btw, I have CSHD in!!!
Posted by trade04 on :
im so confukesed
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by T e x:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: They didn't mention the METHOD in which it was to be done. They mentioned that it would BE done. The fact that we did not know all of the ways in which that was possible is our own fault.
That is way I'm looking at it. Is there something wrong with my logic?
maybe...
the question is, was NASD notified of the stock disbursement, whether it's technically forward-split or not... regardless, rule 10b-17 seems to require at least 10 days' notification...
I think that is why Rufus made the comment last night about NASDAQ requiring the 10 day period. The disbursement is more than 10 days away from yesterday. Thoughts?
true, he may simply be confused about which 10-day period is important. Companies/CEOs get "record dates" and "ex-dates" confused all the time. Why not one who gets confused about the 10-day notification?
Posted by SherriT on :
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 59 Additional food for thought
Larger Merge today talked about on all investment channels.
Making the largest futures trading platform, HMMMM
Changes are afoot in the financial markets.
The recent announcement of a proposed merger between the New York Stock Exchange and Chicago's Archipelago Holdings Inc. might hold relevance for two of Chicago's greatest financial institutions.
The members of the Chicago Board of Trade recently voted to convert to a shareholder-owned company, paving the way for a possible initial public offering and opening up other opportunities.
This represents a pivotal move at an important time for the world's oldest futures exchange as well as for the City of Chicago.
The CBOT has achieved great success for which its present leadership deserves great credit. Chairman Charlie Carey and President/CEO Bernie Dan courageously have responded to challenges that could have brought down a lesser institution. Backed by a comprehensive strategy and deft execution, the CBOT beat back a challenge by Eurex US to the CBOT's dominance in the important U.S. Treasury futures complex.
Throughout the past several years, the intrepid members of the Exchange have proved their mettle by taking on enormous financial risk and handling record volumes of transactions.
Most of our Futures will be traded on the new platform __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
That means OPTIONS ARE COMING!!!!!
BIG $$$$$$$$ I'll give everyone here the inside scoop from my "OptionXpress" account!!!
Which, btw, I have CSHD in!!!
Would you elaborate please? I am just learning about options...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Stock Options!!
Leaps... Butterfly's Spreads
YEEEHAAA!!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW:
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Wow, they are even taking care of you panic sellers. Thats going above and beyond.
They should have no responsibility for such... Everyone has known about the reset for quite some time, yet continued to take the risk of jumping in and out.
Those that got out monday are the type that rufus wanted to get rid of, supposevely.
Actually I didn't post that.. It was a carry over from HSM.
Tex because of the impropper wording in the first 10K I think they should be upheld..
Why would he want to go back and help those that werent in it for the long and only for the quick buck?
Posted by a surfer on :
woops
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Stock Options!!
Leaps... Butterfly's Spreads
YEEEHAAA!!
OK - put it into kindergartner speak Are you suggesting that we as stock holders would get options, the possibility of buying options, or what?
Posted by glassman on :
yet, he didn't know about "due bills"? That's just strange, in my book.
go back and read the beginning of the GVRP thread Tex...
i knew about it before that for a reason... but a lot of BROKERS didn't even know about it....
i've had to go chase down shares before...
just like with these RSes that have a provsion for 100 shares minimum....
Posted by betting babe on :
hey guys, ive lost the path here. maybe someone can give me the 'simple version' cuz i have missed tons of pages in the past 2 days.
so i spoke to my broker. i said yeah we're getting 6 shares for every 1 we have.
he said ok so theyre doing a split.
i said no, its a price reset.
he said ok, but that means theyll have to change the o/s. so thats dilution.
i said no, cuz they have new money to back the new shares.
he said regardless, the new money increases the company assets but the new shares dilute the float.
i know the 10K is good news, and the situation is good. id just like to know how to put it in words.
how are we getting shares by not diluting the company and not being restricted?
thx. ~BB
Posted by 10of13 on :
Hey Jo...
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Quote: Originally Posted by kewlman no i didn't b/c you can't release a 10k with a record shareholder date of oct 30 then turn around 4 hours after the close and say opps it suppost to be monday the 16th. I had shares for about a month and sold before the close on moday b/c the 10k said i had to oct 30 to be a record shareholder. Well i did call Sabra Dabbs and told her what happen and she said as long as my name was on the oct 3 list and i sold right before close on the 16th i should still get the 6 additional shares i had when i sold. She said their should be another pr soon about if you sold before the market closed on the 16th.
Wow, they are even taking care of you panic sellers. Thats going above and beyond. __________________ from HSM
Posted by glassman on :
i know the 10K is good news, and the situation is good. id just like to know how to put it in words.
how are we getting shares by not diluting the company and not being restricted?
thx.
nothing but semantics BB....
it's dilution...
Posted by 10of13 on :
BB The way that I am looking at this... this is a new company with new assets and a new share structure...Period!
(yes, they call it dilution..)
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: hey guys, ive lost the path here. maybe someone can give me the 'simple version' cuz i have missed tons of pages in the past 2 days.
so i spoke to my broker. i said yeah we're getting 6 shares for every 1 we have.
he said ok so theyre doing a split.
i said no, its a price reset.
he said ok, but that means theyll have to change the o/s. so thats dilution.
i said no, cuz they have new money to back the new shares.
he said regardless, the new money increases the company assets but the new shares dilute the float.
i know the 10K is good news, and the situation is good. id just like to know how to put it in words.
how are we getting shares by not diluting the company and not being restricted?
thx. ~BB
Posted by Spurgus on :
TDA has not let me get back in CSHD since it was a dollar. 2 or 2/1/2 weks ago. They say no new positions in this stock
Posted by cassity on :
This not a dividend or a forward split! It's a RUFUDEND! Just look it up under Wikopedia. Rufudend-a way to screw over shorts and increase shareholder value.
Well there ya go! Posted by Chartwalker on :
A stock option is a contract to buy shares at a agreed upon price down the road...
If you think the price will go up you will be buying a "call" option, or a "put" if you think it will go down.
ou buy these contracts for little money, $100 might buy you the option on $5000 worth of shares...
VERY long story short, if the contract holds share's at X amount and when you sell it is at a higher amount, you KEEP the profits just like as if you owned the stock! Only you didn't have to spend Thousands of dollars, but maybe only a couple hundred.
Stock Options are for up to 3 months, LEAPS are for years....
If you know how to read a chart, or know that a compny is going to the moon you can become a millionaire easy with very little money.
When the time comes..... I'll let everyone know what I'm doing, then you can diversify and put some into options or LEAPS if you would like!
This is HUGE news!! Cause only the BIG BOYS have Options!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: hey guys, ive lost the path here. maybe someone can give me the 'simple version' cuz i have missed tons of pages in the past 2 days.
so i spoke to my broker. i said yeah we're getting 6 shares for every 1 we have.
he said ok so theyre doing a split.
i said no, its a price reset.
he said ok, but that means theyll have to change the o/s. so thats dilution.
i said no, cuz they have new money to back the new shares.
he said regardless, the new money increases the company assets but the new shares dilute the float.
i know the 10K is good news, and the situation is good. id just like to know how to put it in words.
how are we getting shares by not diluting the company and not being restricted?
thx. ~BB
bb~ If you listen to the interview on subpenny radio they talk about that quite a bit. The interview is long but if full of information. Posted by CRab on :
since the share holders are getting the shares...and not the company...our total value doesn't change...
the people buying today though? thinking about it...wouldn't thier shares be worth 1/7 what they are worth today in two weeks?
Posted by cassity on :
Rufus even said it was dilution, BUT he said they offset that dilution with adding huge ASSETS! Just admit it Rufus is smarter than all of us! HA
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: This not a dividend or a forward split! It's a RUFUDEND! Just look it up under Wikopedia. Rufudend-a way to screw over shorts and increase shareholder value.
Well there ya go!
Hey cassity I am watching you!!
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer:
quote:Originally posted by cassity: This not a dividend or a forward split! It's a RUFUDEND! Just look it up under Wikopedia. Rufudend-a way to screw over shorts and increase shareholder value.
Well there ya go!
Hey cassity I am watching you!!
Sorry surf, I was laughing my butt off when I read it earlier. Shoulda gave ya some props. Rufudends are the wave of the future!
Posted by tompom on :
the chart is setting up nicely
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i know the 10K is good news, and the situation is good. id just like to know how to put it in words.
how are we getting shares by not diluting the company and not being restricted?
thx.
nothing but semantics BB....
it's dilution...
With a decrease in book value. True dilution is when a company sells more stock in the open market to generate funds for the company. This is not the case... he's putting it in our accounts... the market will get diluted when shareholders sell.
The book value even with "dilution" is $12. Pretty dam,n good.
I'm not that interested in selling any of my stock for less than book... if we go to NASDAQ, I won't ever have to. Bring the next PR.
Posted by milliam on :
Also on the options end. As shareholders, we can sell covered calls. Its a way to bring in cash while holding shares.
One word of caution...options aren't for everyone. There's always a disclaimer attached no matter what. Options tend to move in price very quickly for the good and the bad.
Take it from me...I've had an expensive education in options! With Chart's charting knowledge, I think trading options would be the way to make some serious bank!!!
Posted by Doniboy on :
Run baby!!!!!!
Posted by a surfer on :
Still luv you man
Posted by djg7 on :
Nice EOD run.
Posted by mnvestor on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: hey guys, ive lost the path here. maybe someone can give me the 'simple version' cuz i have missed tons of pages in the past 2 days.
so i spoke to my broker. i said yeah we're getting 6 shares for every 1 we have.
he said ok so theyre doing a split.
i said no, its a price reset.
he said ok, but that means theyll have to change the o/s. so thats dilution.
i said no, cuz they have new money to back the new shares.
he said regardless, the new money increases the company assets but the new shares dilute the float.
i know the 10K is good news, and the situation is good. id just like to know how to put it in words.
how are we getting shares by not diluting the company and not being restricted?
thx. ~BB
Lets also keep in mind that we have only seen 7.5 out of 15 billion in assets from CSHD... Posted by Doniboy on :
MM's dragging it down now. One cent per trade....
Posted by glassman on :
The book value even with "dilution" is $12. Pretty dam,n good.
IMO? this sounds a lot more reasonable than some of the other calims we have heard before
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by mnvestor:
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: hey guys, ive lost the path here. maybe someone can give me the 'simple version' cuz i have missed tons of pages in the past 2 days.
so i spoke to my broker. i said yeah we're getting 6 shares for every 1 we have.
he said ok so theyre doing a split.
i said no, its a price reset.
he said ok, but that means theyll have to change the o/s. so thats dilution.
i said no, cuz they have new money to back the new shares.
he said regardless, the new money increases the company assets but the new shares dilute the float.
i know the 10K is good news, and the situation is good. id just like to know how to put it in words.
how are we getting shares by not diluting the company and not being restricted?
thx. ~BB
Lets also keep in mind that we have only seen 7.5 out of 15 billion in assets from CSHD...
Betting babe's broker hit it right on the head. Its dilution, but if you claim the company is worth more, than it shouldn't matter... we'll see soon, won't we?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Rufus on SPR last night:
"Everythings been a stargegic move for the shareholders"
"Getting several hundred million in interest!"
They have 15 Billion total that can be booked which is available right now. It's not an overnight deal. we have been working on this for a long time.
Rufus said Right- NOT DILUTION!!!
"The Big Show is always the plan" reffering to Nasdaq
"PPS should increase" "The shares you have right now have 6 more attatched if you dump your share you're dumping everything that goes with it"
RUFUS:
A share issuance due to a reorganization through a merger. These are not dividend shares or forward splits. It's been filed since the original 8K merger agreement.
These shares will NOT be restricted If you sold today your out of luck, if you bought today you get the 6, no settlment waiting or anything
"Go away for 2 weeks, play soccer, go fishin' do whatever, in 2 weeks your new shares will be there."
"Evrything's starting from here I said after the 10K the ball starts rolling, now it's all down here from here."
The reset was posted in the filings from the original 8K to the 8KA. It's not a forward split per say, it's an issuance of shares due to a reset based on the reorganization merger.
That's what I've gleaned from RUFUS. He just mentioned PIPE resets. Not normal here on the OTCBB but normal on bigger stocks.
Q:Was it part of the plan all along?
A: This was all layed out... This way he doesn't need approval, knew he was going to do it this was from the beginning
"It's still $15 / share if you can't do the math I can't help you, it's so simple it's stupid!"
"We met the Qualifications for Nasdaq Tues of Last week!!!!!"
Said that CSHD has met the requirements for uplisting since last Tuesday- and to watch for news.
"Go read documents ver carefully.........JV's do not receive any funds until we file S3's"
Q: If the PPS is below $11 on the 30th will you reset to $11?
A: No, you've all recieved your shares... we're giving you the money.....it's for your benefit, it's for your liquidity, not ours"
Rufus said he still has some ACES up his sleeve!
Q: If the PPS stays at around $2 / share in January, then what?
A; "Impossible, these's a few more steps in the ladder, if it does that I'll be one surprised puppy.
Q: Why wait 'til the 30th?
A:Because I have to let Nasdaq know.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
Q: Do you believe it can go to $100?
A: Yes
Q: When?
A: in a few weeks!!
It's up to the shareholder...starve the beast....if you don't flip it hold it, name your price...if you starve the beast..he will go away.......if no one sold for 2 weeks there's no telling where the PPS can go!!!! Net Income for the fiscal year ending of June 30, 2006 was $18,530,865. Total Assets for the fiscal year end was $830,009,352. Total Shareholder equity for the fiscal year end was $789,508,292. Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006. With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22.
Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: A stock option is a contract to buy shares at a agreed upon price down the road...
If you think the price will go up you will be buying a "call" option, or a "put" if you think it will go down.
ou buy these contracts for little money, $100 might buy you the option on $5000 worth of shares...
VERY long story short, if the contract holds share's at X amount and when you sell it is at a higher amount, you KEEP the profits just like as if you owned the stock! Only you didn't have to spend Thousands of dollars, but maybe only a couple hundred.
Stock Options are for up to 3 months, LEAPS are for years....
If you know how to read a chart, or know that a compny is going to the moon you can become a millionaire easy with very little money.
When the time comes..... I'll let everyone know what I'm doing, then you can diversify and put some into options or LEAPS if you would like!
This is HUGE news!! Cause only the BIG BOYS have Options!!!!!!!!!!
Many thanks for the explanation, Chart, and I will be watching for your insight on these. I know St. Matt is an options guy too...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Very welcome SherriT Posted by 10of13 on :
BB...your questions about dilution?
I said: New compnay, new assets, new share structure.
Chartwalker says; Rufus just said that everyone is getting confused because they are thinking of this as a dividend or Forward split and it is neither. It is part of a reorganization merger and the shares were given in consideration of the Price reset. Cash dividends are in the future of the company. It a share issuance not a dividend or split.
Repo says: Its dilution, but if you claim the company is worth more, than it shouldn't matter.
dog says; With a decrease in book value. True dilution is when a company sells more stock in the open market to generate funds for the company. This is not the case... he's putting it in our accounts...
Pick one and go with it... Posted by Chartwalker on :
You should be selling cars 10!!
Posted by CRab on :
haha...great post 10!
so many different words and attitudes to portray the same damn thing, lol...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: yet, he didn't know about "due bills"? That's just strange, in my book.
go back and read the beginning of the GVRP thread Tex...
i knew about it before that for a reason... but a lot of BROKERS didn't even know about it....
i've had to go chase down shares before...
just like with these RSes that have a provsion for 100 shares minimum....
OT: speaking of the 100 share Minimum R/S look at HQSM. They are doing a RS with that provision in it. I bought 20 shares. Geek Play as Tex would say.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Dilution = more outstanding shares that can be sold on the secondary market. Period. Whether Rufus sells them himself, gives them to shareholders to sell, gives them to institutions to hold and then sell, doesn't matter. Its dilution. Reverse of dilution? Share buybacks.
Posted by betting babe on :
thx everyone for the input. ~BB
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: thx everyone for the input. ~BB
mailbox Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Stock Options!!
Leaps... Butterfly's Spreads
YEEEHAAA!!
Chartman: Do you trade options? Where did you learn about them? Posted by CRab on :
Right Repo...but the one thing you have to differentiate HERE is the fact that WE get the shares...dilution the way most understand it is when a company increases the share structure and screws the shareholders...that just isn't the case here...THAT needs to be said as well...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Stock Options!!
Leaps... Butterfly's Spreads
YEEEHAAA!!
Chartman: Do you trade options? Where did you learn about them?
OptionsXpress.com! Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: yet, he didn't know about "due bills"? That's just strange, in my book.
go back and read the beginning of the GVRP thread Tex...
i knew about it before that for a reason... but a lot of BROKERS didn't even know about it....
i've had to go chase down shares before...
just like with these RSes that have a provsion for 100 shares minimum....
oh..ya ya ya...me, too (chasing round-up shares)
my point is, he knows all this *arcane* stuff...368s, "even-driven reset" etc... but due bills is new. I find that odd, especially so given that he emphasizes these are *not* split shares... ya know? Makes me wanna ask him, "How do you *know* they're not split shares?"
not saying it proves anything, one way or another...just strikes me as one more odd thang...
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Yea, so I made the cutoff and I'm still getting my free shares!!! Mo free money, lol.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Flippers warning???
RufusPaulHarris HSM Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 60 Additional food for thought
Pigs get feed
Hogs get slaughtered __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: Also on the options end. As shareholders, we can sell covered calls. Its a way to bring in cash while holding shares.
One word of caution...options aren't for everyone. There's always a disclaimer attached no matter what. Options tend to move in price very quickly for the good and the bad.
Take it from me...I've had an expensive education in options! With Chart's charting knowledge, I think trading options would be the way to make some serious bank!!!
Correct...I have made a lot and lost a lot...it's a constant learning experience.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: yet, he didn't know about "due bills"? That's just strange, in my book.
go back and read the beginning of the GVRP thread Tex...
i knew about it before that for a reason... but a lot of BROKERS didn't even know about it....
i've had to go chase down shares before...
just like with these RSes that have a provsion for 100 shares minimum....
OT: speaking of the 100 share Minimum R/S look at HQSM. They are doing a RS with that provision in it. I bought 20 shares. Geek Play as Tex would say.
GLTA Wally
what's the effective date...today?
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Right Repo...but the one thing you have to differenciate here IS the fact that we get the share...dilution the way most understand it is when a company increases the share structure and screws the shareholders...that just isn't the case here...THAT needs to be said as well...
No it doesn't. Are you inferring that because its given to shareholders, that you are banking on NOBODY selling shares on the open market and just holding? Is that Rufus' master plan?
"Farewell and adieu to you fair Spanish ladies, Farewell and adieu, you ladies of Spain. For we have received orders to sail back Boston, And so nevermore shall we see you again.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Flippers warning???
RufusPaulHarris HSM Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 60 Additional food for thought
Pigs get feed
Hogs get slaughtered __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Why for flippers? You are all pigs at allstocks, LMAO.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
All I'm saying is...it's different when a CEO authorizes 500 million shares then sells them on the open market for himself...thereby lowering the shareholder value...
That is not happening here...and the difference needs to be known...
Do you think if the someone sells 10 shares at a $1 it's somehow worse than selling 1 share at $10?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Flippers warning???
RufusPaulHarris HSM Newbie
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 60 Additional food for thought
Pigs get feed
Hogs get slaughtered __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Why for flippers? You are all pigs at allstocks, LMAO.
I "AM" a Flipper! -who got roped into this with some logs way back when!! lol ~~~
Just putting things out there that I come across.... That's all
Peace all!!!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Stock Options!!
Leaps... Butterfly's Spreads
YEEEHAAA!!
Chartman: Do you trade options? Where did you learn about them?
OptionsXpress.com!
Dude...I spent $3,000 to learn from one of the masters George Fontanills. Check out Optionetics.com Posted by Chartwalker on :
THX! St.matt!!
I will!!
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: thx everyone for the input. ~BB
Technically it is dilution. Anytime you add more shares to the market it is dilution. However, in this case value is being added to make up for the addition of shares. In most cases the shares are added without the benefit of additional value and has a negative effect on the PPS because of that. The current book value after "dilution" is $11.78 per share x 7 shares, because you are receiving 6 additional shares= $82.46. NOW that is Book Value, the PPS will be determined by the action in the Market.
GLTA Wally.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: thx everyone for the input. ~BB
mailbox full
heelllllooo....
Posted by CRab on :
That is a great website St.Matt...appears to be lotsa good info there...thanks!
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: That is a great website St.Matt...appears to be lotsa good info there...thanks!
It really is a great place to learn. If you are into options, you should use some of your CSHD money and go to a seminar. Once you join, you are a lifetime member. You can go every time they come to town. They have seminars for all levels. Yes, it can get pricey, but it's nothing compared to the money you can make from what you learn. Also, you can go to a seminar in any city in the world....then write the trip off. Posted by blanco4444 on :
if it was like this a price reset of $70 and then a fwd split would that be dilution? i dont think so, it is just simple as that
Posted by RyanPBF on :
so am I the only one left in ameritrade. I'm filling out the merril application right now.
Posted by Sandusky on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: so am I the only one left in ameritrade. I'm filling out the merril application right now.
Ha...I'm with them too but I pulled certs. After this is over they'll never see me again.
Posted by CRab on :
I could've sworn personal investing seminars are nondeductable expenses...I specifically remember an example of one in one of my tax research classes...
There is actually a specific line of code prohibiting investment seminars/cruises/trips...
I'm still gonna check it out though... Posted by glassman on :
listening to Rufus right now from last night? he clearly says that this is dilution, but that there is added value to cover the dilution....
also? i'm hearingthe due bills question...
Rufus DOES understand the issue.. it was Simon that does not understand it...
i'm listening to the replay right now...
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: I could've sworn personal investing seminars are nondeductable expenses...I specifically remember an example of one in one of my tax research classes...
There is actually a specific line of code prohibiting investment seminars/cruises/trips...haha...I'm lookin up that code...
I'm still gonna check it out though...
That's incorrect...I was able to write my Optionetics seminar fee off. But then I have an excellent accountant.
BTW...if you decide to look into it, go to the free seminar that will come to your town about a month before the real one. They will give you about a thousand dollars off of the retail price. You can find out when they are coming to your town on the website. Later all...I'm out until tonight or tomorrow.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Whew! Got home from school about an hour ago and have been reading the thread and trying to catch up.
quote:Originally posted by Cassity: Jo, you are the only person I know on this board that I feel bad for saling yesterday. I know what has happened the last several months and I completely understand why you would've sold. I'm really sorry to hear that you did, but I believe there is still HUGE growth left in the PPS of CSHD. GLTY
..... I said my feelings for Jo this morning. I understand why she sold and I wish she didn't. Jo has always been light hearted and pleasant to have on this board. I truly hope for the best for you Jo and non of my comments are directed towards you. You are the very reason I'm upset at the bashers. They scared you out of your money and it is WRONG
Thank you Cassity. Those are nice words. I guess I kind of got stomped by:
quote:Originally posted by Skip: Note that I wished you all luck and hope for the best for you all. Allstocks has traditionally been a board for stock discussion. I was just discussing my thoughts. I knew I shouldn't have posted that, I figured I would get some backlash. I just feel for your "brethren" that sold yesterday (such as Jo) and now everyone is mocking them
It’s okay Skip. I didn’t feel that the board was mocking me. Everyone here has been pretty understanding about my “plight”. Most other cults would have shunned the member who left the fold!
quote:My question still stands, Can someone show me in the 10-KA where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Where is this list as of the 16th. I only see the one on the website as of October 3rd. (which I am on)
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Posted by wallymac on :
TEX,
10b-17 Untimely Announcements of Record Dates
It shall constitute a "manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance" as used in Section 10(b) of the Act for any issuer of a class of securities publicly traded by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange to fail to give notice in accordance with paragraph (b) hereof of the following actions relating to such class of securities:
A dividend or other distribution in cash or in kind, except an ordinary interest payment on a debt security, but including a dividend or distribution of any security of the same or another issuer;
A stock split or reverse split; or
A rights or other subscription offering.
Notice shall be deemed to have been given in accordance with this section only if:
Given to the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., no later than 10 [calendar] days prior to the record date involved or, in case of a rights subscription or other offering if such 10 [calendar] days advance notice is not practical, on or before the record date and in no event later than the effective date of the registration statement to which the offering relates, and such notice includes:
Title of the security to which the declaration relates;
Date of declaration;
Date of record for determining holders entitled to receive the dividend or other distribution or to participate in the stock or reverse split;
Date of payment or distribution or, in the case of a stock or reverse split or rights or other subscription offering, the date of delivery;
The way I'm reading this is that they need to give 10 days notice prior to distribution. Am I getting something wrong here?
GLTA Wally
Posted by CRab on :
posted at 01:28am, lol...I can understand if some of ya'll weren't around to read it...
quote:Originally posted by CRab: The call just ended with Rufus...(edit)Simon is actually taking off tomorrow and is going to replay tonight's interview with rufus...
I suggest ya'll listen...WELL worth it...pretty long but worth the listen...(edit)Simon did a geat job by the way...
And just to clarify...in case this was not made clear...Rufus said that there are no due bills...that is actually why I started listening in the first place just to find that out, lol...
Night all...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: posted at 01:28am, lol...I can understand if some of ya'll weren't around to read it...
quote:Originally posted by CRab: The call just ended with Rufus...James is actually taking off tomorrow and is going to replay tonight's interview with rufus...
I suggest ya'll listen...WELL worth it...pretty long but worth the listen...James did a geat job by the way...
And just to clarify...in case this was not made clear...Rufus said that there are no due bills...that is actually why I started listening in the first place just to find that out, lol...
Night all...
I think you are actually talking about Simon the host of SubPennyRadio. And yes there will not be a live show tonight but he is replaying the talk with Rufus last night.
GLTA Wally
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Whew! Got home from school about an hour ago and have been reading the thread and trying to catch up.
quote:Originally posted by Cassity: Jo, you are the only person I know on this board that I feel bad for saling yesterday. I know what has happened the last several months and I completely understand why you would've sold. I'm really sorry to hear that you did, but I believe there is still HUGE growth left in the PPS of CSHD. GLTY
..... I said my feelings for Jo this morning. I understand why she sold and I wish she didn't. Jo has always been light hearted and pleasant to have on this board. I truly hope for the best for you Jo and non of my comments are directed towards you. You are the very reason I'm upset at the bashers. They scared you out of your money and it is WRONG
Thank you Cassity. Those are nice words. I guess I kind of got stomped by:
quote:Originally posted by Skip: Note that I wished you all luck and hope for the best for you all. Allstocks has traditionally been a board for stock discussion. I was just discussing my thoughts. I knew I shouldn't have posted that, I figured I would get some backlash. I just feel for your "brethren" that sold yesterday (such as Jo) and now everyone is mocking them
It’s okay Skip. I didn’t feel that the board was mocking me. Everyone here has been pretty understanding about my “plight”. Most other cults would have shunned the member who left the fold!
quote:My question still stands, Can someone show me in the 10-KA where the number of shares per shareholder is mentioned? All I see is the names of the shareholders of record as of Oct. 16th
Where is this list as of the 16th. I only see the one on the website as of October 3rd. (which I am on)
Jo did you see the post from HSM from somebody in your situation. Sabra said they will reimburse you
Posted by a surfer on :
Member Rated: posted 17-10-2006 15:31 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by kewlman no i didn't b/c you can't release a 10k with a record shareholder date of oct 30 then turn around 4 hours after the close and say opps it suppost to be monday the 16th. I had shares for about a month and sold before the close on moday b/c the 10k said i had to oct 30 to be a record shareholder. Well i did call Sabra Dabbs and told her what happen and she said as long as my name was on the oct 3 list and i sold right before close on the 16th i should still get the 6 additional shares i had when i sold. She said their should be another pr soon about if you sold before the market closed on the 16th.
BUMP for jo
Posted by CRab on :
Haha...whoops...yep Simon...I apologize...
It was late and actually had trouble remembering his name...i obviously forgot, lol...
Posted by Neptunetrader94 on :
Ok, guys-2 Questions:
WHen is the cutoff date-is it the 30th of October-as long as you posess shares then, you get whatever the output is?
What is the exact formula? The one they posted was (15/x) - x
But the one that makes more sense (given a book value of 15/share is: (15/x) - 1
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: Ok, guys-2 Questions:
WHen is the cutoff date-is it the 30th of October-as long as you posess shares then, you get whatever the output is?
What is the exact formula? The one they posted was (15/x) - x
But the one that makes more sense (given a book value of 15/share is: (15/x) - 1
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 60 Quote: Originally Posted by MysteRay With all due respect, 1.80 is not the share we hold, but the price per share we hold.
I am happy with the six and thank you, but I just wanted to make my statement.
$15.00 USD (United States Dollars) Option C
Actual Closing Price = $1.80
15.00 USD / 1.80 ACP = 8.30
8.30 – 1.80 (the share you held on 10/16 at close) = Shares to you (6.53) rounded down to 6
Each share holder (of record on 10/16 10/k filing date) gets 6 newly issued shares from the company
better __________________ GODSPEED Rufus Paul Harris Chief Executive Officer Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp Harris*cshd.us
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Haha...whoops...yep Simon...I apologize...
It was late and actually had trouble remember his name then...i obviously forgot, lol...
No problem. James was on one of the lines talking with Simon and Rufus. Easy to get confused especially after a very long day and night.
GLTA Wally
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Member Rated: posted 17-10-2006 15:31 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote: Originally Posted by kewlman no i didn't b/c you can't release a 10k with a record shareholder date of oct 30 then turn around 4 hours after the close and say opps it suppost to be monday the 16th.
Hehe.. sure you can.. if you want all those that you know will start shorting and flipping again to jump.. haha
Posted by Neptunetrader94 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: Ok, guys-2 Questions:
WHen is the cutoff date-is it the 30th of October-as long as you posess shares then, you get whatever the output is?
What is the exact formula? The one they posted was (15/x) - x
But the one that makes more sense (given a book value of 15/share is: (15/x) - 1
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 60 Quote: Originally Posted by MysteRay With all due respect, 1.80 is not the share we hold, but the price per share we hold.
I am happy with the six and thank you, but I just wanted to make my statement.
$15.00 USD (United States Dollars) Option C
Actual Closing Price = $1.80
15.00 USD / 1.80 ACP = 8.30
8.30 – 1.80 (the share you held on 10/16 at close) = Shares to you (6.53) rounded down to 6
Each share holder (of record on 10/16 10/k filing date) gets 6 newly issued shares from the company
Sorry, is it confirmed that this guy is Rufus, or are you just taking his word for it? This is nothing like the statement written in the 10-K.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: Ok, guys-2 Questions:
WHen is the cutoff date-is it the 30th of October-as long as you posess shares then, you get whatever the output is?
What is the exact formula? The one they posted was (15/x) - x
But the one that makes more sense (given a book value of 15/share is: (15/x) - 1
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 60 Quote: Originally Posted by MysteRay With all due respect, 1.80 is not the share we hold, but the price per share we hold.
I am happy with the six and thank you, but I just wanted to make my statement.
$15.00 USD (United States Dollars) Option C
Actual Closing Price = $1.80
15.00 USD / 1.80 ACP = 8.30
8.30 – 1.80 (the share you held on 10/16 at close) = Shares to you (6.53) rounded down to 6
Each share holder (of record on 10/16 10/k filing date) gets 6 newly issued shares from the company
Sorry, is it confirmed that this guy is Rufus, or are you just taking his word for it? This is nothing like the statement written in the 10-K.
It was Rufus, he posts on HSM. I know for a fact it was him.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94:
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: Ok, guys-2 Questions:
WHen is the cutoff date-is it the 30th of October-as long as you posess shares then, you get whatever the output is?
What is the exact formula? The one they posted was (15/x) - x
But the one that makes more sense (given a book value of 15/share is: (15/x) - 1
Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 60 Quote: Originally Posted by MysteRay With all due respect, 1.80 is not the share we hold, but the price per share we hold.
I am happy with the six and thank you, but I just wanted to make my statement.
$15.00 USD (United States Dollars) Option C
Actual Closing Price = $1.80
15.00 USD / 1.80 ACP = 8.30
8.30 – 1.80 (the share you held on 10/16 at close) = Shares to you (6.53) rounded down to 6
Each share holder (of record on 10/16 10/k filing date) gets 6 newly issued shares from the company
Sorry, is it confirmed that this guy is Rufus, or are you just taking his word for it? This is nothing like the statement written in the 10-K.
You are likely just looking at the original 10K - there was an amended one filed later in the day that has the date as the 16th and how many shares each holder as of COB yesterday will receive on the 30th.
Posted by Neptunetrader94 on :
So...there is no incentive for anyone to buy now...after the 16th. Unless you believe that the price will go even higher after those who held get their shares (not very very likely). So...this thing should tumble at least until the 30th, if not after because anyone buying after the 16th won't get squat....ohhh I see. Get ready for a major drop if what this HSM poster said was true.
How do you know for a fact it is him?
Posted by Jo4321 on :
quote:Milliam wrote: I feel for Jo as well. But think about it, the pps could be at .25 right now and Jo could have been the smart one to get out. I think Jo did what Jo felt was right to do.
I felt it was right based on the 10k at the time. Had the real 10-K been issued, I would have held on. (maybe not to the newer shares, but at least to my long ones). I feel was truly misled by the first pr.
quote: Originally posted by stocktrader22: I just have to laugh. Okay, first off Rufus didn't want flippers who just wanted to get out at reset, what better idea than to do what he did yesterday.
quote: Originally posted by a surfer: Wow, they are even taking care of you panic sellers. Thats going above and beyond. ________________________________________ Originally posted by TimW: They should have no responsibility for such... Everyone has known about the reset for quite some time, yet continued to take the risk of jumping in and out.
Those that got out monday are the type that rufus wanted to get rid of, supposedly. Why would he want to go back and help those that weren’t in it for the long and only for the quick buck
Surfer and 10 of 13, thanks for pointing out the post from the other board. I hope this is true. I will explain why I think he’d want to go back and help someone like myself and a surfer. It is because I am NOT the type that Rufus wanted to get rid of.
The shares I sold yesterday were some from July 27. I held those shares through all the uncertainty, through all the late nite interviews, through the extension. As far as penny-land timelines, I’d consider over two months holding as being long. I did sell half my shares at the end of September and my intention was just to keep the other half until the NASDAQ listing. As time went on though, I felt confident enough to purchase even more shares. More on 10/10, 10/12 and then even more on that fateful day of 10/16.
When the 10-K came out with the October 30th date, I read it and understood what the date meant. I had no intention of selling. The price started falling. I didn’t know why, I thought maybe I was missing something in the 10-K. It was so close to the closing bell that I couldn’t possible read the entire 10-k. My newer shares were not very cheap, so I decided to sell so that I could read the 10K after hours, digest it and then decide how many shares to buy the next day. The fact that CSHD changed the 10-K to read October 16th instead of October 30th seems very unfair. I know that sounds like whining, however, one can only go by what they read in official filings. The date said October 30th and that is what I based my decision on. If they truly do what a surfer says they will do, it would be an attempt to right a wrong against shareholders who got caught unintended in the inaccurate 10-K.
I am not a "flipper", I am not a "daytrader", I am not a "shorter". I am not the intended target of the events of last night. I was just an unfortunate pawn in the checkmate.
Jo Posted by T e x on :
Wally, I see two problems there:
quote:Given to the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., no later than 10 [calendar] days prior to the record date involved or, in case of a rights subscription or other offering if such 10 [calendar] days advance notice is not practical, on or before the record date and in no event later than the effective date of the registration statement to which the offering relates, and such notice includes
"is not practical" and "in no event later than the effective date"
first, could have a hard showing why impractical, given the amount of planning, PRs and so forth; second, the amended/corrected stuff came out after trading and today.
Also, the way I'm reading it, I don't see "other" as applying; from "but including a dividend or distribution of any security of the same . ..." I'm seeing "distribution of any security."
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: So...there is no incentive for anyone to buy now...after the 16th. Unless you believe that the price will go even higher after those who held get their shares (not very very likely). So...this thing should tumble at least until the 30th, if not after because anyone buying after the 16th won't get squat....ohhh I see. Get ready for a major drop if what this HSM poster said was true.
How do you know for a fact it is him?
It was him....sheesh
Posted by Jenna on :
BB, this is exactly what Rufus called it last night:
A share issuance due to a reorganization through a merger. These are not dividend shares or forward splits. It's been filed since the original 8K merger agreement.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Haha...whoops...yep Simon...I apologize...
It was late and actually had trouble remember his name then...i obviously forgot, lol...
No problem. James was on one of the lines talking with Simon and Rufus. Easy to get confused especially after a very long day and night.
GLTA Wally
my bad, also--thought there was consensus about the due bills confusion; damm...you guys are gonna force me to listen to that thing, lol...
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: So...there is no incentive for anyone to buy now...after the 16th. Unless you believe that the price will go even higher after those who held get their shares (not very very likely). So...this thing should tumble at least until the 30th, if not after because anyone buying after the 16th won't get squat....ohhh I see. Get ready for a major drop if what this HSM poster said was true.
That just gives me more reason to hold. If there is a snafu and NASD makes them change the dates, I sure don't want to be chasing because I sold. Food for thought. I completely understand where you are comming from but also remember some Reverse Splits that happened without 10 days warning, so it's now in the hands of TPTB.
GLTA Wally
Posted by luvforever on :
I still say if you jumped out when only skimming its not their problem thats just a hype cause if you were truly long you wouldnt have gotten scared and would have known what you had and would still have your shares... He told us everything but no one believed him? So skimming and saying you wanted to take time doesnt place blame on the issurer of the 10k or the amendment when you were forwarned he said long i believe a lot flipped and are using this as an excuse sorry mo. if you knew what you had and did dd u wouldnt have sold! I do feel bad but you jumped before understanding it and the market isnt made to wait for anyone ...especially pennies!
Posted by Jenna on :
All,
I listened to Rufie last night,he's awesome.
Just one thing I don't understand. He refers to the list on the website but the date on the website is Oct. 3rd. I am on the list but on the 16th I owned over 10,000 shares but as of Oct. 3rd I owned 3,000 shares.
Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: So...there is no incentive for anyone to buy now...after the 16th. Unless you believe that the price will go even higher after those who held get their shares (not very very likely). So...this thing should tumble at least until the 30th, if not after because anyone buying after the 16th won't get squat....ohhh I see. Get ready for a major drop if what this HSM poster said was true.
How do you know for a fact it is him?
The incentive to buy now isn't anything to do with the reset or additional shares - that is over and done with....the incentive to buy is that it is still undervalued considering the assets and imminent move to the bigger board, but of course that is left for you to consider in your own DD and gut feelings.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: All,
I listened to Rufie last night,he's awesome.
Just one thing I don't understand. He refers to the list on the website but the date on the website is Oct. 3rd. I am on the list but on the 16th I owned over 10,000 shares but as of Oct. 3rd I owned 3,000 shares.
Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
I don't think that is anything to be concerned about - I don't think they have an updated shareholder list as of the 16th yet - he probably is just referring to the one from the 3rd right now because he is mainly speaking to the "longs"
Posted by a surfer on :
Jenna the 3rd. is when the list came to fruition.
What you had in your acct. on the 16th. is what you will receive shares on.
Posted by Jenna on :
Cool thanks guys - I just went back & read the PR again & it explains that....so thanx a bunch!
Posted by Jenna on :
Surf are you going to be gone during the 30th?
Posted by SherriT on :
I am wondering if the shares will be there on the 30th, or if this is going to be one of those that some brokers are good about, and others are lagging behind the rest....?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Neptunetrader94: So...there is no incentive for anyone to buy now...after the 16th. Unless you believe that the price will go even higher after those who held get their shares (not very very likely). So...this thing should tumble at least until the 30th, if not after because anyone buying after the 16th won't get squat....ohhh I see. Get ready for a major drop if what this HSM poster said was true.
How do you know for a fact it is him?
-no incentive?!!! holy chit!! ha ha ~~~ What more COULD you ask for!!!
Net Income for the fiscal year ending of June 30, 2006 was $18,530,865. Total Assets for the fiscal year end was $830,009,352. Total Shareholder equity for the fiscal year end was $789,508,292. Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006. With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22.
10Q that is coming out Nov 15th will say the company has a asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22
GOOGLE is at $420.00 per share!!! PERIOD ENDING 31-Dec-05 31-Dec-04 31-Dec-03 Total Revenue 6,138,560 3,189,223 1,465,934 Cost of Revenue 2,577,088 1,457,653 625,854
Gross Profit 3,561,472 1,731,570 840,080
Total Assets 10,271,813
BOTTOM LINE GOOGLE has 10,271,813 in assets period ending Dec of 05
CSHD is going to report in NOV that it has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22!!!!!!!!!
SEE the big picture people... And SMILE!!!! Posted by SherriT on :
Good night all! See you tomorrow morning! SWEET DREAMS ;-)
Posted by new2stocks on :
thanks chart! Posted by dog on :
Life is good.... step away from the computer for a week and enjoy it...
Just ordered my World Series tickets... always wanted to go... plus when will the Tigers go again?
I should be on TV waving a "Thank You Rufus" sign.
Again... I would strongly suggest that everyone's shares are at a full service broker... JMHO
... the writing is on the wall.
Go Tigers!
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Surf are you going to be gone during the 30th?
Wife is going to Maine to see family and bringing the baby from the 25th. to the 31st. so I will probably sneak over to Abaco to surf for a couple days.
I will play it by ear.
I am not too worried what happens with CSHD. I have resigned my shares for the long haul.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: Well TEX,
That just gives me more reason to hold. If there is a snafu and NASD makes them change the dates, I sure don't want to be chasing because I sold. Food for thought. I completely understand where you are comming from but also remember some Reverse Splits that happened without 10 days warning, so it's now in the hands of TPTB.
GLTA Wally
true...NASD might simply have them issue corrected dates. Now, KOGC (KOCG? maybe...) last spring was halted for a few days, with one of those "special notice to members" issued, saying, basically it would resume trading without ex-date, as i recall. Of course, many remember GVRP/MAMG, which was suspended into greyland after a screwed-up divvy play. But then Sandy's deal before it became BKMP got more or less corrected in PRs at the last minute--of course, that was restricted shares. I dunno...basically was responding to Mo this am when this got started. lol, as poor as the reg agencies do their jobs? prolly nuttin at all happens...
Posted by bilgert on :
Chart buddy, I respect your zeal, but the reason Google is at an inflated PPS has nothing to do with its assets- although it has tons of them.
This is an oversimplification, but Google is at it's current PPS due to hype and people's perception and anticipation about what Google will become in the marketplace/world in the future. As it stands, it already is a pretty huge force.
I am, for want of a better term, long on CSHD, but it doesn't matter what CSHD has in it's Portfolio. It's all about market perception and demand. PPS is more than about earnings and book value. It has to do with market demand. It's all up to Rufus to create that demand by making deals, and agressively and clearly showcasing the value of CSHD to new investors.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
-no incentive?!!! holy chit!! ha ha ~~~ What more COULD you ask for!!!
Net Income for the fiscal year ending of June 30, 2006 was $18,530,865. Total Assets for the fiscal year end was $830,009,352. Total Shareholder equity for the fiscal year end was $789,508,292. Total issued Shares as of year end was 62,489,721, given the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006. With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22.
10Q that is coming out Nov 15th will say the company has a asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22
GOOGLE is at $420.00 per share!!! PERIOD ENDING 31-Dec-05 31-Dec-04 31-Dec-03 Total Revenue 6,138,560 3,189,223 1,465,934 Cost of Revenue 2,577,088 1,457,653 625,854
Gross Profit 3,561,472 1,731,570 840,080
Total Assets 10,271,813
BOTTOM LINE GOOGLE has 10,271,813 in assets period ending Dec of 05
CSHD is going to report in NOV that it has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22!!!!!!!!!
SEE the big picture people... And SMILE!!!! Posted by Jo4321 on :
Why isn't the newest, amended 10-Ksb/a posted on www.cvsu.us?
Jo
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Actually Bilgert, that is JUST MY POINT!...
Read what you just wrote man! I could not have said it better!
"This is an oversimplification, but Google is at it's current PPS due to hype and people's perception and anticipation about what Google will become in the marketplace/world in the future. As it stands, it already is a pretty huge force."
What I was trying to say is that CSHD is well on it's way, even AHEAD in some areas of Google!
-Get what I'm saying?...
Once this goes Mainstream...
BOOYAH!!!!! ha ha ~
-and yes I'm excited, but I think with REALLY good reasons (7 Billion of them!)
Peace out! Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Why isn't the newest, amended 10-Ksb/a posted on www.cvsu.us?
up .01 in after market hours. FYI
Posted by a surfer on :
10b-17 Untimely Announcements of Record Dates
It shall constitute a "manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance" as used in Section 10(b) of the Act for any issuer of a class of securities publicly traded by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange to fail to give notice in accordance with paragraph (b) hereof of the following actions relating to such class of securities:
A dividend or other distribution in cash or in kind, except an ordinary interest payment on a debt security, but including a dividend or distribution of any security of the same or another issuer; A stock split or reverse split; or A rights or other subscription offering.
Notice shall be deemed to have been given in accordance with this section only if:
Given to the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., no later than 10 [calendar] days prior to the record date involved or, in case of a rights subscription or other offering if such 10 [calendar] days advance notice is not practical, on or before the record date and in no event later than the effective date of the registration statement to which the offering relates, and such notice includes: Title of the security to which the declaration relates; Date of declaration; Date of record for determining holders entitled to receive the dividend or other distribution or to participate in the stock or reverse split; Date of payment or distribution or, in the case of a stock or reverse split or rights or other subscription offering, the date of delivery; For a dividend or other distribution including a stock or reverse split or rights or other subscription offering: In cash, the amount of cash to be paid or distributed per share, except if exact per share cash distributions cannot be given because of existing conversion rights which may be exercised during the notice period and which may affect the per share cash distribution, then a reasonable approximation of the per share distribution may be provided so long as the actual per share distribution is subsequently provided on the record date, In the same security, the amount of the security outstanding immediately prior to and immediately following the dividend or distribution and the rate of the dividend or distribution, In any other security of the same issuer, the amount to be paid or distributed and the rate of the dividend or distribution, In any security of another issuer, the name of the issuer and title of that security, the amount to be paid or distributed, and the rate of the dividend or distribution and if that security is a right or a warrant, the subscription price, In any other property (including securities not covered under paragraphs (b)(1)(v)(b) through (d) of this section) the identity of the property and its value and basis for assigning that value; Method of settlement of fractional interests;
Details of any condition which must be satisfied or Government approval which must be secured to enable payment of distribution; and in
The case of stock or reverse split in addition to the aforementioned information; The name and address of the transfer or exchange agent; or The Commission, upon written request or upon its own motion, exempts the issuer from compliance with paragraph (b)(1) of this section either unconditionally or on specified terms or conditions, as not constituting a manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance comprehended within the purpose of this section; or
Given in accordance with procedures of the national securities exchange or exchanges upon which a security of such issuer is registered pursuant to Section 12 of the Act which contain requirements substantially comparable to those set forth in paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
The provisions of this rule shall not apply, however, to redeemable securities issued by open-end investment companies and unit investment trusts registered with the Commission under the Investment Company Act of 1940.
Now, the SEC would have to approve the exempt issue of B1, but that is not the case. So, what happend to the 10day rule. If CSHD had been compliant with the 10 day rule, they would have accomplished two things. 1. Sparked interest in buying of CSHD shares for obvious reasons. 2. Given the MM a catalyst to cover.
Thats not happening at the moment. So, when will this be corrected, as rule 10b-17 states that 10 days notice must be given! Anyone care to go do some DD on this and find more answers! I'm beat and have some chart stuff I need to do! __________________
This is for TEX and WALLYMAC
From Spectre on HSM.
We will see??
Posted by bilgert on :
And there's the rub. Before Google went public it had HUGE buzz. CSHD is a long way from mainstream. Look at Rufus. And while he has bonds, AISS, horses, singers, coffee, blah blah- nothing holds a candle to what Google is- initially an innovator in online search and has gone on to expand into other fields.
Now- I will give you that Rufus, like the founders of Google, is very unconventional and creative. His treatment of shorting has spawned a wave of companies jumping on the NOBO/anti-shorting train. That in and of itself is very impressive.
And yeah he has got those bonds, and while they're assets- they're non liquid assets. He can borrow against them, hedge them etc. He has lots of potential that I think a lot of us can see. But there is a reason this thing is still trading at $2 a share, absent the whole shorting issue, etc. - and it's market demand.
I really hope this exceeds Google, honestly I do, but we are a long way from that. Not weeks, months, years maybe.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Once this goes Mainstream...
BOOYAH!!!!! ha ha ~
-and yes I'm excited, but I think with REALLY good reasons (7 Billion of them!)
Peace out! [/QB]
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: And there's the rub. Before Google went public it had HUGE buzz. CSHD is a long way from mainstream. Look at Rufus. And while he has bonds, AISS, horses, singers, coffee, blah blah- nothing holds a candle to what Google is- initially an innovator in online search and has gone on to expand into other fields.
Now- I will give you that Rufus, like the founders of Google, is very unconventional and creative. His treatment of shorting has spawned a wave of companies jumping on the NOBO/anti-shorting train. That in and of itself is very impressive.
And yeah he has got those bonds, and while they're assets- they're non liquid assets. He can borrow against them, hedge them etc. He has lots of potential that I think a lot of us can see. But there is a reason this thing is still trading at $2 a share, absent the whole shorting issue, etc. - and it's market demand.
I really hope this exceeds Google, honestly I do, but we are a long way from that. Not weeks, months, years maybe.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Once this goes Mainstream...
BOOYAH!!!!! ha ha ~
-and yes I'm excited, but I think with REALLY good reasons (7 Billion of them!)
Peace out!
[/QB]
Google huh...
Anybody want to buy a bridge?
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: And there's the rub. Before Google went public it had HUGE buzz. CSHD is a long way from mainstream. Look at Rufus. And while he has bonds, AISS, horses, singers, coffee, blah blah- nothing holds a candle to what Google is- initially an innovator in online search and has gone on to expand into other fields.
Now- I will give you that Rufus, like the founders of Google, is very unconventional and creative. His treatment of shorting has spawned a wave of companies jumping on the NOBO/anti-shorting train. That in and of itself is very impressive.
And yeah he has got those bonds, and while they're assets- they're non liquid assets. He can borrow against them, hedge them etc. He has lots of potential that I think a lot of us can see. But there is a reason this thing is still trading at $2 a share, absent the whole shorting issue, etc. - and it's market demand.
I really hope this exceeds Google, honestly I do, but we are a long way from that. Not weeks, months, years maybe.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Once this goes Mainstream...
BOOYAH!!!!! ha ha ~
-and yes I'm excited, but I think with REALLY good reasons (7 Billion of them!)
Peace out!
[/QB]
Point being Bilgert that we have to start somewhere just like Google.
The only difference is I didn't have shares of Google in its infancy.
Posted by T e x on :
"This is for TEX and WALLYMAC "
it's a definitely a question...
Posted by a surfer on :
Repo you gonna buy some NDOL..... LOL
You know you want to.
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: And there's the rub. Before Google went public it had HUGE buzz. CSHD is a long way from mainstream. Look at Rufus. And while he has bonds, AISS, horses, singers, coffee, blah blah- nothing holds a candle to what Google is- initially an innovator in online search and has gone on to expand into other fields.
Now- I will give you that Rufus, like the founders of Google, is very unconventional and creative. His treatment of shorting has spawned a wave of companies jumping on the NOBO/anti-shorting train. That in and of itself is very impressive.
And yeah he has got those bonds, and while they're assets- they're non liquid assets. He can borrow against them, hedge them etc. He has lots of potential that I think a lot of us can see. But there is a reason this thing is still trading at $2 a share, absent the whole shorting issue, etc. - and it's market demand.
I really hope this exceeds Google, honestly I do, but we are a long way from that. Not weeks, months, years maybe.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Once this goes Mainstream...
BOOYAH!!!!! ha ha ~
-and yes I'm excited, but I think with REALLY good reasons (7 Billion of them!)
Peace out!
Google huh...
Anybody want to buy a bridge?
[/QB]
How much?
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Repo you gonna buy some NDOL..... LOL
You know you want to.
Do I look insane?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I hear you Bilgert, and agree...
And yes, I do believe we are on our way
now excuse me it looks like Repo has a nice bridge to sell me! Maybe I can talk him into payments seeing how TDAmeriturd got turned down for a loan today to cover what our CEO is doing to them, which is basically this!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by bilgert: And there's the rub.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Once this goes Mainstream...
BOOYAH!!!!! ha ha ~
-and yes I'm excited, but I think with REALLY good reasons (7 Billion of them!)
I just fire from the hip usually...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Best way TO do it Repo
-so what's new?...
Posted by glassman on :
He has lots of potential that I think a lot of us can see. But there is a reason this thing is still trading at $2 a share, absent the whole shorting issue, etc. - and it's market demand.
this part i disagree with....
how many other stocks have you seen get hammered this hard and stay out of micro-penny range?
i am still waiting to see the actual share structure, and a few other things in the 10Q, but i've never seen a stock get hit this hard by the brokerges and the people like sourstreet and stockfruit and continue UP...
the CEO posting on bulletin boards? talking on Paltalk and MN!....
this is the stuff of Grisham novels....
Posted by coalkickin on :
Not bashing...I am a shareholder...since FHAL...just passing on info...
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by coalkickin: Not bashing...I am a shareholder...since FHAL...just passing on info...
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Best way TO do it Repo
-so what's new?...
I'm debating what to buy next... I need a runner... NDOL is being pumped heavily.. might be good for 100%. Have to see how heavliy those HSM clowns get the pump machine going.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: He has lots of potential that I think a lot of us can see. But there is a reason this thing is still trading at $2 a share, absent the whole shorting issue, etc. - and it's market demand.
this part i disagree with....
how many other stocks have you seen get hammered this hard and stay out of micro-penny range?
i am still waiting to see the actual share structure, and a few other things in the 10Q, but i've never seen a stock get hit this hard by the brokerges and the people like sourstreet and stockfruit and continue UP...
the CEO posting on bulletin boards? talking on Paltalk and MN!....
this is the stuff of Grisham novels....
Wow glassman...
For the first time I could "feel" what you are saying. You spoke Volumes there! I mean really, think about that (!!!!!).
"Eoungh said!"
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Everything all in fun coalkicker!!
Always is with me Just a way to have fun!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Best way TO do it Repo
-so what's new?...
I'm debating what to buy next... I need a runner... NDOL is being pumped heavily.. might be good for 100%. Have to see how heavliy those HSM clowns get the pump machine going.
I'll check out NDOL's charts... -hang on....
Posted by 10of13 on :
Hey...you can offer to sell that...I just bought it...
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
[/QUOTE]Google huh...
Anybody want to buy a bridge?
[/QB][/QUOTE]
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by coalkickin: Not bashing...I am a shareholder...since FHAL...just passing on info...
i wasn't tryin' to "mess" with you i was "messin" with repo...
repo expects it...
that was put up because they were a day late...
i'll laugh my butt off tomorrow if they put the E on.. i wouldn't be surprised to see that kind of mistake at this point... heck, we've seen almost everything else...
Posted by coalkickin on :
quote:Originally posted by dog:
quote:Originally posted by coalkickin: You guys might want to check this out...
10k on Edgar.. filed with SEC.... fully compliant... no worries.
Yeah..didn't see that at first...just saw the 10/18/06...
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Slow here tonight... I think I'm off to watch some talking heads like Cramer.. must be League Bowling Night for the cult.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: "This is for TEX and WALLYMAC "
it's a definitely a question...
According to the rule who is it that needs to be notified? Well, NASD. Nothing stated in the rule says that Public notice must be given. My worst play in pennies was VWKM. They gave a dividend to shareholder. The rub after it was posted they went in and amended it to be restricted shares. No PR mentioned nothing other than a note attached to the bottom of the dividend notice. We all still have restricted shares. It was totally deceptive but not one action was taken.
If the NASD does take action on this and forces any changes, It will be to aid the institutions that find themwelves in a hole now,IMO. If it was simply to aid the investor they would look the other way like they have done time and time again. It's no different than an SEC investigation, who usually gets hurt by these investigations? The small time investors like us. I've seen stocks halted by the SEC for 10 days then resume trading without and report or recommendation from the SEC. The PPS didn't recover. The SEC and NASD are not concerned with the benefit of the small investor. Sad but true.
GLTA Wally
Posted by lostone on :
In addition to screwing the MM's, Rufus is protecting us.. Don't know if anyone has brought this up.. but the more I thought about the additional 6 shares move serves as a good protection for the share holders. If instead we were to have 15/share, MMs can short us, easily in terms of the volume.. just a little volume and price goes down, and less noticeable? But if there are more shares out, wouldn't they have to short a lot more shares in order to bring it down? and in the current situation, it's not their best interest to short so much.. being in a deep hole already.. So Rufus did this without spending much or even a buck to sustain the price, since MMs prolly expecting the 15/share, with this one, it's hard to bring down and they're caught off guard... anyway, let me know if that makes sense.. star-yay no star-nay
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Best way TO do it Repo
-so what's new?...
I'm debating what to buy next... I need a runner... NDOL is being pumped heavily.. might be good for 100%. Have to see how heavliy those HSM clowns get the pump machine going.
How about GWGO. They just had a bunch of announcements and acquisitions, then a stock split. Now they are trading at .0001 per share, can't go much lower...right? Posted by Chartwalker on :
Repo... NDOL chart reading is.... You're not gonna believe this but....
"I'm seeing in NDOL's charts what CSHD had!!"
That's right,... I'm saying I think that NDOL is getting hit with NAKED SHORTENING!!!
Chit you not... Look, if you want a emailed copy of this chart PM me your email. Otherwise it shows a nice price climb in May, thenm a slow decline to where it is now. Stochastic CLEARLY went from OVERSOLD in June, to OVERBOUGHT in around Aug.
Yet the PRICE WENT DOWN!!! (???) See, if the market wasn't CROOKED, it WOULD NOT DO THAT! PERIOD!
Anotherthing is that the MACD hoovers around the NEUTRAL area for most of 4 months yet tanks from $1.55 to .18 today!!! [Crooks!!]
Acc.Distrib. Says that NDOL has been in the NEGATIVE for months!
Stop and ask yourself.... "How can the Acc./Diss indicator be NEGATIVE when the stock is OVERBOUGHT?!!!
Hmmmm.
My heart tells me that the charts to the untrained eye would look "good" but after this CSHD BS I've LEARNED...
I'd stay away from NDOL Right now REPO, till Acc./Diss. finds it's way back to the NEUTRAL line... THEN look at the charts, bet it is then that you'll see your run! Posted by glassman on :
"I'm seeing in NDOL's charts what CSHD had!!"
That's right,... I'm saying I think that NDOL is getting hit with NAKED SHORTENING!!!
Chit you not... Look, if you want a emailed copy of this chart PM me your email. Otherwise it shows a nice price climb in May, thenm a slow decline to where it is now. Stochastic CLEARLY went from OVERSOLD in June, to OVERBOUGHT in around Aug.
Yet the PRICE WENT DOWN!!! (???) See, if the market wasn't CROOKED, it WOULD NOT DO THAT! PERIOD! [Smile]
Anotherthing is that the MACD hoovers around the NEUTRAL area for most of 4 months yet tanks from $1.55 to .18 today!!! [Crooks!!]
Acc.Distrib. Says that NDOL has been in the NEGATIVE for months!
Stop and ask yourself.... "How can the Acc./Diss indicator be NEGATIVE when the stock is OVERBOUGHT?!!!
welcome to the wonderful world of pennystocks chart...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
ha ha... look at GWGO's chart....
LOL...
"It LOOKS like a plane crash!!" LOL!!
I kid you not! look at it!!!!! ha ha~
Actually, they CAN go lowwer then .0001
I've got some left over CMKX shares that I was flipping when that was hot,
THAT's a P.O.S. if I have ever seen a P.O.S!! LOL ~
That one I don't think is going anywhere to soon.... IMO.
Think of it this way... "There has to be something with a BETTER looking chart then that to "bet" on...
A deer hunter watches a deer trail and gets a deer, another hunting on a rabbit trail "may not" get a deer but a rabbit.
So in increase your odds, "Look for deer trail, and you'll find deer..."
Posted by a surfer on :
Regarding the share distribution announced by Rufus and the dates involved in it. The "record date" according to the filings is Oct 16th, and it was filed on Oct 16th, but that fails to meet Rule 10b-17 http://www.otcbb.com/aboutOTCBB/SECR...#SECRule10b-17 which states:
10b-17 Untimely Announcements of Record Dates
It shall constitute a "manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance" as used in Section 10(b) of the Act for any issuer of a class of securities publicly traded by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange to fail to give notice in accordance with paragraph (b) hereof of the following actions relating to such class of securities:
A stock split or reverse split; or
Notice shall be deemed to have been given in accordance with this section only if:
Given to the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., no later than 10 [calendar] days prior to the record date involved or, in case of a rights subscription or other offering if such 10 [calendar] days advance notice is not practical, on or before the record date and in no event later than the effective date of the registration statement to which the offering relates, and such notice includes:
For a dividend or other distribution including a stock or reverse split or rights or other subscription offering: In the same security, the amount of the security outstanding immediately prior to and immediately following the dividend or distribution and the rate of the dividend or distribution, In any other property (including securities not covered under paragraphs (b)(1)(v)(b) through (d) of this section) the identity of the property and its value and basis for assigning that value; [indent]Method of settlement of fractional interests;
The name and address of the transfer or exchange agent; or The Commission, upon written request or upon its own motion, exempts the issuer from compliance with paragraph (b)(1) of this section either unconditionally or on specified terms or conditions, as not constituting a manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance comprehended within the purpose of this section; or
Given in accordance with procedures of the national securities exchange or exchanges upon which a security of such issuer is registered pursuant to Section 12 of the Act which contain requirements substantially comparable to those set forth in paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
The provisions of this rule shall not apply, however, to redeemable securities issued by open-end investment companies and unit investment trusts registered with the Commission under the Investment Company Act of 1940.
More here
Posted by Jenna on :
Chart- AWESOME post!!! I knew that CSHD was big but this showed me just how lucky I am to be in & * this price!!!
Thanks for posting this- Super Exciting!
10Q that is coming out Nov 15th will say the company has a asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22
GOOGLE is at $420.00 per share!!! PERIOD ENDING 31-Dec-05 31-Dec-04 31-Dec-03 Total Revenue 6,138,560 3,189,223 1,465,934 Cost of Revenue 2,577,088 1,457,653 625,854
Gross Profit 3,561,472 1,731,570 840,080
Total Assets 10,271,813
BOTTOM LINE GOOGLE has 10,271,813 in assets period ending Dec of 05
CSHD is going to report in NOV that it has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22!!!!!!!!!
SEE the big picture people... And SMILE!!!! [/QB][/QUOTE]
Posted by a surfer on :
The previous post is from Spectre on HSM.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: "I'm seeing in NDOL's charts what CSHD had!!"
That's right,... I'm saying I think that NDOL is getting hit with NAKED SHORTENING!!!
Chit you not... Look, if you want a emailed copy of this chart PM me your email. Otherwise it shows a nice price climb in May, thenm a slow decline to where it is now. Stochastic CLEARLY went from OVERSOLD in June, to OVERBOUGHT in around Aug.
Yet the PRICE WENT DOWN!!! (???) See, if the market wasn't CROOKED, it WOULD NOT DO THAT! PERIOD! [Smile]
Anotherthing is that the MACD hoovers around the NEUTRAL area for most of 4 months yet tanks from $1.55 to .18 today!!! [Crooks!!]
Acc.Distrib. Says that NDOL has been in the NEGATIVE for months!
Stop and ask yourself.... "How can the Acc./Diss indicator be NEGATIVE when the stock is OVERBOUGHT?!!!
welcome to the wonderful world of pennystocks chart...
Well glassman, (laughing) Penny's have taught me much!! The QQQQ's or Mutual Fund's I can just HAMMER now! You want to see TOPS and BOTTOMS nailed!!lol ~~
Especially Mutaul Funds!! They are so "Averaged out" they "flow" into each area "ALOT" smoother then penny's! LMAO!!!
Holy cow yes!! ha ha ~~
Posted by humble on :
For anyone left to hear this, I just spent the better part of 3 hours reviewing all of the documents filed by CVSU and FHAL to date.
For me it was like reading a book for the second time; you can really absorb it instead of just organizing the ideas in your head. I do not have the time or energy to get into everything I saw but I will address the the share structure discussion that arose yesterday and ongoing.
Two merged corporations in the state of Delaware create a new entity with a new share structure. Comparing the share structure of the two old companies with the eventual share structure of the new entity is apples to oranges. It serves to redistribute the assets of the surviving company into a new share structure, all of the value is preserved. That is not dillution, that is a merger.
What this means for everyone crying about possibly having shut themselves out of a big opportunity is that you simply got burned, no more and no less.
There is no legal recourse because the share distribution is "consideration" for shareholders of the two merging companies, NOT a share reorganization of the share cstructure for one comapny.
The entire process is described in the filings. Hint, don't just read the part about the A, B or C reset options, read the whole process from start to finish, from July through Sept 29th.
Here are a few quotes to get you thinking:
"Each Company Share, by virtue of the Merger and without any action on the part of the holder thereof, shall at the Effective Time no longer be outstanding, shall be canceled and retired and shall cease to exist, and each holder of certificates representing any such Company Shares shall thereafter cease to have any rights with respect to such shares, except for the right to receive the Merger Consideration."
"As soon as reasonably practicable after the Effective Time, the Surviving Holdings Company shall cause the Exchange Agent to allocate the Merger Consideration among the holders of Company Shares."
"FHAL and CVSU intend to file an S-4 registration statement / prospectus in connection with the proposed Merger for the registration of the CVSU share pursuant to the Merger agreement. The S-4 registration statement / prospectus and other relevant materials (when they become available), and any other documents filed by CVSU or FHAL with the SEC, may be obtained free of charge at the SEC's web site."
Would this mean that we are, in essence, going to be starting over with brand new shares in the finally merged new entity?
Why would you have an opportunity to start fresh like that and do it on the OTC Exchange?
If all old shares are going to be "canceled and retired" I would not want to be in a short position when the trigger is pulled.
The beauty of all of this is the simplicity. Almost none of this entire string of events requires approval from external agencies, thereby reducing the risk that there would be unforseen hurdles along the way. Everything is done when the CSHD management is ready, by the book and without warning - again I will say that the series of upcoming events will come without warning.
If you are nervous about where this is going and are trying to time your exit you are playing this stock like a penny and will get burned, just like those who bailed after the 10K. Pick your price point or event and stick to it with conviction.
...In My humble Opinion.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
"Would this mean that we are, in essence, going to be starting over with brand new shares in the finally merged new entity?" Woah, your not saying that our shares are going to be wiped out and new ones come in and we get nothing right?
Posted by thecon00 on :
Jenna,
13000 share acquisition in that amount of time, that is confident nice going. I got my dad 2000 more 1.5hr before close Monday and have had my 28600 since June. I transferred these out of TDA and thus was not on the Oct3 list and called Mitch's number at the top of the list. Basically he said a new list was due out in ten days but might be delayed and that we would be on that list. You may want to call and confirm. He called me back after I e mailed and left him a voice mail. - CON
Jenna Member
Member Rated: posted October 17, 2006 17:32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All,
I listened to Rufie last night,he's awesome.
Just one thing I don't understand. He refers to the list on the website but the date on the website is Oct. 3rd. I am on the list but on the 16th I owned over 10,000 shares but as of Oct. 3rd I owned 3,000 shares.
Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
Posted by betting babe on :
mucho appreciato jenna-o!
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: BB, this is exactly what Rufus called it last night:
A share issuance due to a reorganization through a merger. These are not dividend shares or forward splits. It's been filed since the original 8K merger agreement.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
nice post humble. Are you in this?
Posted by thecon00 on :
THIS IS HOW WE KNOW THEY HAVE NOTHING LEFT!
Chartwalker Member
Member Rated: posted October 17, 2006 18:58 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Originally posted by coalkickin: You guys might want to check this out...
-check the date on that... -yawn.... I expected something better then that to debunk
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: "Would this mean that we are, in essence, going to be starting over with brand new shares in the finally merged new entity?" Woah, your not saying that our shares are going to be wiped out and new ones come in and we get nothing right?
Wiped out? No. A reissuance of shares in the newly merged entity. This could serve several purposes:
- Force a share count and expose naked shorts - Provide a new share structure that will have a much larger number of shares, something more appropriate for a company whose price is head north very quickly. If you knew you would be needing to consider a forward split in the near future why not just set it to a lower price while you have the luxury of the consideration clause? - Set a cutoff date to reward longs who have stuck in this
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by 10of13 on :
So humble? New Company, New assets, new sharestructure?
quote:Originally posted by humble: For anyone left to hear this, I just spent the better part of 3 hours reviewing all of the documents filed by CVSU and FHAL to date.
For me it was like reading a book for the second time; you can really absorb it instead of just organizing the ideas in your head. I do not have the time or energy to get into everything I saw but I will address the the share structure discussion that arose yesterday and ongoing.
Two merged corporations in the state of Delaware create a new entity with a new share structure. Comparing the share structure of the two old companies with the eventual share structure of the new entity is apples to oranges. It serves to redistribute the assets of the surviving company into a new share structure, all of the value is preserved. That is not dillution, that is a merger.
What this means for everyone crying about possibly having shut themselves out of a big opportunity is that you simply got burned, no more and no less.
There is no legal recourse because the share distribution is "consideration" for shareholders of the two merging companies, NOT a share reorganization of the share cstructure for one comapny.
The entire process is described in the filings. Hint, don't just read the part about the A, B or C reset options, read the whole process from start to finish, from July through Sept 29th.
Here are a few quotes to get you thinking:
"Each Company Share, by virtue of the Merger and without any action on the part of the holder thereof, shall at the Effective Time no longer be outstanding, shall be canceled and retired and shall cease to exist, and each holder of certificates representing any such Company Shares shall thereafter cease to have any rights with respect to such shares, except for the right to receive the Merger Consideration."
"As soon as reasonably practicable after the Effective Time, the Surviving Holdings Company shall cause the Exchange Agent to allocate the Merger Consideration among the holders of Company Shares."
"FHAL and CVSU intend to file an S-4 registration statement / prospectus in connection with the proposed Merger for the registration of the CVSU share pursuant to the Merger agreement. The S-4 registration statement / prospectus and other relevant materials (when they become available), and any other documents filed by CVSU or FHAL with the SEC, may be obtained free of charge at the SEC's web site."
Would this mean that we are, in essence, going to be starting over with brand new shares in the finally merged new entity?
Why would you have an opportunity to start fresh like that and do it on the OTC Exchange?
If all old shares are going to be "canceled and retired" I would not want to be in a short position when the trigger is pulled.
The beauty of all of this is the simplicity. Almost none of this entire string of events requires approval from external agencies, thereby reducing the risk that there would be unforseen hurdles along the way. Everything is done when the CSHD management is ready, by the book and without warning - again I will say that the series of upcoming events will come without warning.
If you are nervous about where this is going and are trying to time your exit you are playing this stock like a penny and will get burned, just like those who bailed after the 10K. Pick your price point or event and stick to it with conviction.
...In My humble Opinion.
Posted by glassman on :
Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
my assumptionis that they ordered a new list at close on the day of the reset (yeterday)
that's the only way they would know...
it is possible that they will actually order the list on thursday at close, because that is when the settlements will be finished from Monday;'s trading....
they may order both....
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: nice post humble. Are you in this?
Yes, large position since May. I plan to stay around for the next very interesting 30 days and then evaluate the situation based on all available information at that time.
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by Chartwalker on :
5 Stars for you Humble......
That has me thinking....
Posted by RyanPBF on :
ok humble if you had to make an educated guess. on where you think this is going in the near future. what would your guess be.
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
my assumptionis that they ordered a new list at close on the day of the reset (yeterday)
that's the only way they would know...
it is possible that they will actually order the list on thursday at close, because that is when the settlements will be finished from Monday;'s trading....
they may order both....
When was the merger complete? That is your Effective Date.
"The Merger shall become effective on the date and at the time of filing of the related Articles of Merger, in the form required by and executed in accordance with Delaware Law.
Each Company Share, by virtue of the Merger and without any action on the part of the holder thereof, shall at the Effective Time no longer be outstanding, shall be canceled and retired and shall cease to exist, and each holder of certificates representing any such Company Shares shall thereafter cease to have any rights with respect to such shares, except for the right to receive the Merger Consideration."
You can order a File Stamp Copy of that document, if it has been filed (and I believe it has). The date on that filing would answer the question of when the cutoff date was. Those in before that are onboard, after that I don't think so.
I will not order that copy because it does not really matter to me. I am not in a position to worry as I have been long since May.
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
my assumptionis that they ordered a new list at close on the day of the reset (yeterday)
that's the only way they would know...
it is possible that they will actually order the list on thursday at close, because that is when the settlements will be finished from Monday;'s trading....
they may order both....
According to Rufus in last night's interveiw with SubPennyRadio, They(CSHD)order lists as they are available. Daily weekly and monthly. They are constantly keeping track of the share totals and shareholders.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Igor R on :
I don't remember if this has been discussed previously but anyone with etrade having a screwy account problem? Mine is showing 0 for the price and my value of the stock, but the price paid and amount of shares are the same. So, I called Etrade and she said it was because we're getting an E tomorrow, and I asked how that might be possible. And she goes on to say that because of not filing. But, I told her we filed on monday and she said thats what her bloomberg feed is saying.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: ok humble if you had to make an educated guess. on where you think this is going in the near future. what would your guess be.
I'm wearing my space suit right now chart.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Hey, I bet that might be one of Rufus' "aces up his sleeve"
Humble I bet that one travels The Boards tonight!!!
Love the siggy! Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
my assumptionis that they ordered a new list at close on the day of the reset (yeterday)
that's the only way they would know...
it is possible that they will actually order the list on thursday at close, because that is when the settlements will be finished from Monday;'s trading....
they may order both....
When was the merger complete? That is your Effective Date.
"The Merger shall become effective on the date and at the time of filing of the related Articles of Merger, in the form required by and executed in accordance with Delaware Law.
Each Company Share, by virtue of the Merger and without any action on the part of the holder thereof, shall at the Effective Time no longer be outstanding, shall be canceled and retired and shall cease to exist, and each holder of certificates representing any such Company Shares shall thereafter cease to have any rights with respect to such shares, except for the right to receive the Merger Consideration."
You can order a File Stamp Copy of that document, if it has been filed (and I believe it has). The date on that filing would answer the question of when the cutoff date was. Those in before that are onboard, after that I don't think so.
I will not order that copy because it does not really matter to me. I am not in a position to worry as I have been long since May.
... In My humble Opinion
The merger was complete on September 13th per company PR. The reset was complete on Oct 16th per 10KA.
GLTA Wally
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: ok humble if you had to make an educated guess. on where you think this is going in the near future. what would your guess be.
I will preface this by saying that I do not know anything beyond what I have read and the experience of past failures.
- PR about move to NASD with details as to how the shares are going to be swapped out. I would not be surprised to see a halt of a few days. - NASD with the new shares - PRs about the income side of the business - Analyst coverage in the first week on NASD - S4 prospectus filed with the SEC giving high rollers, mutuals, etc something to chew on. - 10Q with lots of forward-looking income generation projections and hopefully some sort of 2007 pro-forma.
Price wise, the market will only reward future potential income and that has yet to be proven or even revealed. I believe it is there, though, and will all be on the table by Thanksgiving. At that point I would not be surprised to see $50-$75 per share or more.
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: I don't remember if this has been discussed previously but anyone with etrade having a screwy account problem? Mine is showing 0 for the price and my value of the stock, but the price paid and amount of shares are the same. So, I called Etrade and she said it was because we're getting an E tomorrow, and I asked how that might be possible. And she goes on to say that because of not filing. But, I told her we filed on monday and she said thats what her bloomberg feed is saying.
like i said? i wouldn't be surprised to see the "E" tomorrow...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: I don't remember if this has been discussed previously but anyone with etrade having a screwy account problem? Mine is showing 0 for the price and my value of the stock, but the price paid and amount of shares are the same. So, I called Etrade and she said it was because we're getting an E tomorrow, and I asked how that might be possible. And she goes on to say that because of not filing. But, I told her we filed on monday and she said thats what her bloomberg feed is saying.
They are simply going of a list that was posted on the OTCBB yesterday prior to CSHD's filing of the 10K. There is a two day grace period for filings and if the filing had not been made the "E" would have appeared tommorrow. The "E" should not appear. With all that has gone on I wouldn't be surprised if a mistake was made, I hope not.
GLTA Wally
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well I opened up my merrill lynch account. Now tomorrow I'll start on having them transfer my ameritrade account over to merrill. Wally are sticking with ameritrade.
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
Please copy in the quote and page.
my assumptionis that they ordered a new list at close on the day of the reset (yeterday)
that's the only way they would know...
it is possible that they will actually order the list on thursday at close, because that is when the settlements will be finished from Monday;'s trading....
they may order both....
When was the merger complete? That is your Effective Date.
"The Merger shall become effective on the date and at the time of filing of the related Articles of Merger, in the form required by and executed in accordance with Delaware Law.
Each Company Share, by virtue of the Merger and without any action on the part of the holder thereof, shall at the Effective Time no longer be outstanding, shall be canceled and retired and shall cease to exist, and each holder of certificates representing any such Company Shares shall thereafter cease to have any rights with respect to such shares, except for the right to receive the Merger Consideration."
You can order a File Stamp Copy of that document, if it has been filed (and I believe it has). The date on that filing would answer the question of when the cutoff date was. Those in before that are onboard, after that I don't think so.
I will not order that copy because it does not really matter to me. I am not in a position to worry as I have been long since May.
... In My humble Opinion
The merger was complete on September 13th per company PR. The reset was complete on Oct 16th per 10KA.
GLTA Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
If it does...then the SEC is screwing with it also...IMO
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: I don't remember if this has been discussed previously but anyone with etrade having a screwy account problem? Mine is showing 0 for the price and my value of the stock, but the price paid and amount of shares are the same. So, I called Etrade and she said it was because we're getting an E tomorrow, and I asked how that might be possible. And she goes on to say that because of not filing. But, I told her we filed on monday and she said thats what her bloomberg feed is saying.
like i said? i wouldn't be surprised to see the "E" tomorrow...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Ok Humble WHO the heck are ya anyway?!!
Holy chit Rufus.. I mean Sabra,.. I mean Humble.
That sounds like the Rufus I know! Man that sounds like "The Perfect Storm"
[standing up clapping!!, cheers, whistle's, chanting "Humble, Humble!"]
Love that, in my not so Humble way Posted by RyanPBF on :
I just checked my ameritrade account and everything there looks normal.
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by humble:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
my assumptionis that they ordered a new list at close on the day of the reset (yeterday)
that's the only way they would know...
it is possible that they will actually order the list on thursday at close, because that is when the settlements will be finished from Monday;'s trading....
they may order both....
When was the merger complete? That is your Effective Date.
"The Merger shall become effective on the date and at the time of filing of the related Articles of Merger, in the form required by and executed in accordance with Delaware Law.
Each Company Share, by virtue of the Merger and without any action on the part of the holder thereof, shall at the Effective Time no longer be outstanding, shall be canceled and retired and shall cease to exist, and each holder of certificates representing any such Company Shares shall thereafter cease to have any rights with respect to such shares, except for the right to receive the Merger Consideration."
You can order a File Stamp Copy of that document, if it has been filed (and I believe it has). The date on that filing would answer the question of when the cutoff date was. Those in before that are onboard, after that I don't think so.
I will not order that copy because it does not really matter to me. I am not in a position to worry as I have been long since May.
... In My humble Opinion
The merger was complete on September 13th per company PR. The reset was complete on Oct 16th per 10KA.
GLTA Wally
Sorry. Please copy in the quote and page.
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I just checked my ameritrade account and everything there looks normal.
Hey what do you think about what Rufus posted today about TDA getting turned down for a loan!!?
That's HUGE!
HUGE-HUGE-HUGE....
You take out a loan because.... Posted by TaxBack04 on :
I would since they are not on today's delinquent filing list.
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: I don't remember if this has been discussed previously but anyone with etrade having a screwy account problem? Mine is showing 0 for the price and my value of the stock, but the price paid and amount of shares are the same. So, I called Etrade and she said it was because we're getting an E tomorrow, and I asked how that might be possible. And she goes on to say that because of not filing. But, I told her we filed on monday and she said thats what her bloomberg feed is saying.
like i said? i wouldn't be surprised to see the "E" tomorrow...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: well I opened up my merrill lynch account. Now tomorrow I'll start on having them transfer my ameritrade account over to merrill. Wally are sticking with ameritrade.
Never was with Ameritrade. Been with Scottrade. I haven't had many problems with them but will be looking into Choicetrade and lowtrades over the next few weeks as back up brokers. One lesson from this has been that you need more than one broker for a couple of reasons. If your broker restricts buys for any reason you can buy through your secondary broker and the other is for the GEEK Play. THe plays where having less than a 100 shares after a reverse will give you 100 shares after the reverse. Multiple accounts allows for multiple opportunites to profit.
GLTA Wally
Posted by 10of13 on :
Tax? Didn't you say that you use etrade? check what your share price is will you please? it shows mine at CSHD 1.06498 My choice account is fine
Posted by glassman on :
quote: As of 4:00 p.m. EST time today (September 13, 2006), the much anticipated merger between Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. and the Fronthaul Group has been completed.
(September 13, 2006), the much anticipated merger between Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. and the Fronthaul Group has been completed *************************************************
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
Page 22.
GLTA Wally
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tax? Didn't you say that you use etrade? check what your share price is will you please? it shows mine at CSHD 1.06498 My choice account is fine
OK that is odd mine shows $2.61 as the current price.
And yesterday's news from CSHD does not show. Must be some problems.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tax? Didn't you say that you use etrade? check what your share price is will you please? it shows mine at CSHD 1.06498 My choice account is fine
Yea, its weird, I dunno what the deal is. On the accounts screen my account balance is correct (my amount of shares x todays close), but once I click the account, it shows $0.00. Although nothing is wrong with my PAVC showing, except the fact I still don't have my 99 round up shares.
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Tax? Didn't you say that you use etrade? check what your share price is will you please? it shows mine at CSHD 1.06498 My choice account is fine
OK that is odd mine shows $2.61 as the current price.
And yesterday's news from CSHD does not show. Must be some problems.
My E- trade shows 2.51
Posted by 10of13 on :
Well i like your price better...
Posted by glassman on :
this what my filings search shows at NADQdotcom..
CSHD CONVERSION SOLUTNS HLDGS OTCBB
No real-time filings were found for the search: CSHD.
earlier today? i accessed the filings at this site.. checking the 10KA.... just another strange thing to add to the list i guess...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
FWIW, Scotty seems ok...
Posted by wallymac on :
Just checked the daily list for symbol changes from 10/17 to 10/19. Here's the result---no CSHD on the list.
Shows nothing for CSHD! No news... No SEC filings... nothing!
(Humble's idea??)
I know I found the same thing that's why I used Yahoo and OTCBB.
HMM. the gremlins are at it again.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Chartwalker on :
ok what's going on?????
Posted by trade04 on :
hmmmmm im rested now.... wonder what tomorrow has in store for us
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Servers uploading? Rebooting?...
Posted by luvforever on :
We might be going to nasdaq tomorrow!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Spooky on :
In case anyone is interested, SPR is replaying last night's broadcast. It has not gotten to Rufus yet.
Posted by glassman on :
calm down luv... it's just a gremlin...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: We might be going to nasdaq tomorrow!!!!!!!!!
Rufus said "10 day notice" Rufus also said that last week Tuesday we met the req's.
8 days tomorrow only... Unless a halt for two days, but I don't think so...
Posted by luvforever on :
look at tuts post on hsm!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: We might be going to nasdaq tomorrow!!!!!!!!!
yeah a few people discussing nasdaq on the boards.... u think cshd can get on the nasd. that fast?
Posted by glassman on :
i think that if a mosquito farted? you guys would be yelling hurricane Posted by luvforever on :
they are already to go as of last tues right???
Posted by luvforever on :
Glass.. I know what I got ...Do you have some? LOL
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
CSHDE
Posted by luvforever on :
lol
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: look at tuts post on hsm!!!!!!!!!!
What?....
Post them please ~ thx luv!
Posted by luvforever on :
Quote: Originally Posted by tutankhamen Shareholders listen very closely and heed my words. I just finished talking with Ben Stanley and I also checked for myself. There is not going to be an "E" on CSHD and that comes from my checking and also from Ben Stanley. Again stop talking back and forth about an "E". There will not be one. If you want to see the most effective "short crush" or "short squeeze" you have ever seen then let us all completely starve the shorts by not giving them even one single share. You want to completely annihilate them and no amount of mercy should be given because they will not show you any mercy if you give in to them.
Hold strong everyone and change your focus on what you are about to see. You are sitting on the biggest opportunity of a lifetime here. I will also repeat what Rufus said on the radio yesterday. If everyone holds tight and not flips, or daytrades or sells this stock right now, you could see this easily reach even $100 or higher in one or two weeks. Anyone that sells right now would only help any shorts and by holding tight the shorts will be literally starved and have to reach higher and higher for the stock. There will be those that may post and tell you in very subtle ways about selling stock but I repeat, don't listen to them. Remember I warned everyone before to hold strong and yesterday you saw why. Those that sold are now without. Again I am saying hold strong for the biggest bombshell is about to come.
Don't forget that at any moment also Rufus could pull the final trigger and we will be on NASDAQ. He already said yesterday it was already approved as of last Tuesday.
النصر لك
I will repeat this again: Hold strong and tight.
Listen carefully shareholders. Now you know why I said to hold tight. Now I will say it again. Hold tight because this will squeeze the shorts because they will have to deliver all FTD's so that the share dividends can be put into your accounts. Now they have no choice if everyone holds tight you could see the biggest squeeze in history. No flipping, no daytrading right now. You have no idea this is just only the beginning of things you have no idea about yet.
The cobra has struck with a furious vengeance. The shorts will never get out of this.
You are either with or without today. You who have stood strong, yours is the victory cup to drink of.
Those who stand before me will live. Those who stand with their backs to me will surely perish.
ya KHabar befloos, bukrah yeb'a bebalash الصمت احيانا ضروري. بعض الانبياء المزيفين عندما اتكلم كثيرا وان لم يتكلم. كل شيء سيكون علي كشف لكم وسيكون النصر لك
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: Glass.. I know what I got ...Do you have some? LOL
locked and loaded... i'm just tryng to keep the rumors from getting too far outahand...
the "E" is no big deal... the filing is in...
but so many people long and short have spread so many "tales" that nobody knows what to expect anymore..
the E could go on... i think we'll have plenty of warning before it goes to NSDQ...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well good night guys. I'll check in tomorrow to see if anything huge has been released.
Posted by Igor R on :
Lame, what is this crap....Btw im a long and not bashing.
Posted by luvforever on :
Hey I was just stating something ole tut said and so far hes just as good as rufas LOL I am no starting anything Ive done my dd and have not gotten caught with pants down you need to chill too much chit going on and you dont control my $ 's Rumors, I do not spread I said might I didn't say definately and rufas said it was a 3 day halt to nasdaq listen to him! Sorry to offend you, wasnt trying to whew!
Posted by luvforever on :
Dang Peeps are too stressed cause they dont know what the heck they got!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Thanks for that Luv... Posted by luvforever on :
Hey no prob... Your welcome Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: Dang Peeps are too stressed cause they dont know what the heck they got!
luv? we are looking at facts..
Rufus did wait till the last possible second...
the fact is? they could put the E on just to harrass everybody...
i've seen enough on this play to know to expect just about anything....
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Lame, what is this crap....Btw im a long and not bashing.
Strange my acct shows 2.51 with a profit, I'm sure there must be a glich in their system time being
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by thecon00: Jenna,
13000 share acquisition in that amount of time, that is confident nice going. I got my dad 2000 more 1.5hr before close Monday and have had my 28600 since June. I transferred these out of TDA and thus was not on the Oct3 list and called Mitch's number at the top of the list. Basically he said a new list was due out in ten days but might be delayed and that we would be on that list. You may want to call and confirm. He called me back after I e mailed and left him a voice mail. - CON
Jenna Member
Member Rated: posted October 17, 2006 17:32 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All,
I listened to Rufie last night,he's awesome.
Just one thing I don't understand. He refers to the list on the website but the date on the website is Oct. 3rd. I am on the list but on the 16th I owned over 10,000 shares but as of Oct. 3rd I owned 3,000 shares.
Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
Hey Thanx!! I'm on the list but my mom isn't, she emailed him & we are waiting to hear back. Actually I have 10,000 shares total, & I'm very happy with that!! You have a nice chunk, going to be even nicer on the 30th!!!
And thanx for letting me know about the list being updated- good to know!
Posted by wallymac on :
That's the second time today that TUT is wrong. First he stated that if the PPS reached $15 prior to the 30th the additional shares would not be needed. Why was he wrong because the additional shares are a done deal as of yesterday and the only thing we are awaiting is the distribution on or around the 30th.
In his lastest post he stated that Rufus said we are approved to move to NASDAQ. Wrong again, Rufus stated that we had met all the requirements to move, big difference. They are negotiating with MM's to underwrite the move and quote it when the move happens. Be careful. Don't believe everything posted. We still need to be doing our own DD. DD is an ongoing labor. Do not stop. Read the filings yourself and listen to the show so that you know what RUFUS actually said and didn't say. Interpretation of the individual posting has to be taken into consideration Why not hear from the horses mouth,
Be Careful. Rufus did say that listing on NASDAQ is the ultimate goal and has been but not that an approval had been issued.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Why aren't they changing to list on the website to the date of the 16th instead of the 3rd.
I know some people who bought in after the 3rd but before the 16th, and they are not on the list.
So what is the signifigance of the date of Oct. 3rd?
my assumptionis that they ordered a new list at close on the day of the reset (yeterday)
that's the only way they would know...
it is possible that they will actually order the list on thursday at close, because that is when the settlements will be finished from Monday;'s trading....
they may order both....
Makes perfect sense!
Posted by djg7 on :
I'm just got off the phone with etrade. They said they received a Bloomberg report saying that there was no filing. Etrade researched this and found the report and the E will be taken on the account in the next day or two. Not to worry we're OK.
Posted by cassity on :
From HSM: Very important!
Today, 09:17 PM #5128 TraderMortis HSM Addict
Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,165 Just got a call from Sesame Street,... very upset about the "E" controversy. Says the letter "E" has a gig there next Thursday, so not coming to CSHD.
Posted by luvforever on :
I agree but why worry man we are gonna get it rufas isnt that stupid hes come too darned far and a long time ago I said on this board he has a vengence and just be happy its towards the shorts! Man I am here for the same reason and would never start chit to f with peeps and their emotions I know how peeps are and that would be wrong...thats why know what you are about to hold before putting hard earned $ or free $ hehe into a stock.. Don't screw with me either cause I am cool and don't take chit when it's mean... so we cool man? I am honest and am not a cruel person ... Posted by GreenDay on :
hmmm... just read those post by humble Very Interesting new poster. I like him/her a lot and I feel like I know this person, just can't put my finger on it....
Posted by glassman on :
luv: i'm not upset at all.. i'm saying if the E shows up it's no big deal...
seems to me alot of other people are worried about it..
if i didn't say anything and it did show up? then alot of people would be pretty shocked tomorrow huh? and this: Real-Time SEC Filings
CSHD CSHD CONVERSION SOLUTNS HLDGS OTCBB
No real-time filings were found for the search: CSHD.
Humble = Tut = Osama Bin Laden = Bigfoot = Aliens = Jesus = GOD?
Is this the Cultist theocracy?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Humble = Tut = Osama Bin Laden = Bigfoot = Aliens = Jesus = GOD?
Is this the Cultist theocracy?
hey! i KNOW bigfoot and Tut is NO bigfoot Posted by luvforever on :
glass i never said anything about an e.... so thats where the confusion is? LOL We filed we are okay not worried.... Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Humble = Tut = Osama Bin Laden = Bigfoot = Aliens = Jesus = GOD?
Is this the Cultist theocracy?
hey! i KNOW bigfoot and Tut is NO bigfoot
I know Jesus and he is not that either
Posted by TimW on :
FWIW, my account is registering at 2.02 / share.
this is w/ banc of america investment
Posted by luvforever on :
I know that theres no real time thats why i said ....MIGHT... be going to nasdaq it would be halted for 3 days then we would show up there if this is what is going on...and hopefully at the last minute, like rufas likes, wed get a pr or 8k LOL
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: luv: i'm not upset at all.. i'm saying if the E shows up it's no big deal...
seems to me alot of other people are worried about it..
if i didn't say anything and it did show up? then alot of people would be pretty shocked tomorrow huh? and this: Real-Time SEC Filings
CSHD CSHD CONVERSION SOLUTNS HLDGS OTCBB
No real-time filings were found for the search: CSHD.
Do I get the 4000th post?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: FWIW, my account is registering at 2.02 / share.
this is w/ banc of america investment
DITTO
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: FWIW, my account is registering at 2.02 / share.
this is w/ banc of america investment
How is BoA btw? I use them for my regular banking, and can get $7 trades from them, so I've been thinking about looking into them.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: From HSM: Very important!
Today, 09:17 PM #5128 TraderMortis HSM Addict
Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,165 Just got a call from Sesame Street,... very upset about the "E" controversy. Says the letter "E" has a gig there next Thursday, so not coming to CSHD.
Cass you made me laugh again... LOL Posted by luvforever on :
We know chit happens and we all freak.. rufas has aces remember? LOL He knows what hes doing...i hope he he Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: That's the second time today that TUT is wrong. First he stated that if the PPS reached $15 prior to the 30th the additional shares would not be needed. Why was he wrong because the additional shares are a done deal as of yesterday and the only thing we are awaiting is the distribution on or around the 30th.
In his lastest post he stated that Rufus said we are approved to move to NASDAQ. Wrong again, Rufus stated that we had met all the requirements to move, big difference. They are negotiating with MM's to underwrite the move and quote it when the move happens. Be careful. Don't believe everything posted. We still need to be doing our own DD. DD is an ongoing labor. Do not stop. Read the filings yourself and listen to the show so that you know what RUFUS actually said and didn't say. Interpretation of the individual posting has to be taken into consideration Why not hear from the horses mouth,
Be Careful. Rufus did say that listing on NASDAQ is the ultimate goal and has been but not that an approval had been issued.
GLTA Wally
I hear you Wally..."but" Rufus said that "they" don't need to approve it.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
(sorry if hair splitting but just putting it out there.)
Posted by wallymac on :
NASDAQ must approve it! That makes ZERO sense. Every company that wants to trade on the NASDAQ must fill out an application ,period.
Posted by luvforever on :
Anyways i'll check in tomorrow peeps are too freaked tonight... come what will ...I am in looong for years....I've been in since .33 fhal and no ones getting my shares so scare away!!!! BOO to you bashers he he he I just hope things work out for eveyone who truly and honestly could use the money...not the peeps who are mean and get a kick outa peeps losing...mo glta
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: NASDAQ must approve it! That makes ZERO sense. Every company that wants to trade on the NASDAQ must fill out an application ,period.
repo:
they are talking about the share "issuance".. not moving to NADQ yet...
we are not "allowed" to call it a split or a dividend...
sheesh luv are you out of college yet?
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by TimW: FWIW, my account is registering at 2.02 / share.
this is w/ banc of america investment
How is BoA btw? I use them for my regular banking, and can get $7 trades from them, so I've been thinking about looking into them.
I just started.. not enough experience to say much about them.. But everytime they have called me or i've called them, they have been very helpful and answered quickly. IMO they do lack on features for searching stocks... they are more centered around the large cap stocks, obviously.. So its more difficult to find the little gems in the rough.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: That's the second time today that TUT is wrong. First he stated that if the PPS reached $15 prior to the 30th the additional shares would not be needed. Why was he wrong because the additional shares are a done deal as of yesterday and the only thing we are awaiting is the distribution on or around the 30th.
In his lastest post he stated that Rufus said we are approved to move to NASDAQ. Wrong again, Rufus stated that we had met all the requirements to move, big difference. They are negotiating with MM's to underwrite the move and quote it when the move happens. Be careful. Don't believe everything posted. We still need to be doing our own DD. DD is an ongoing labor. Do not stop. Read the filings yourself and listen to the show so that you know what RUFUS actually said and didn't say. Interpretation of the individual posting has to be taken into consideration Why not hear from the horses mouth,
Be Careful. Rufus did say that listing on NASDAQ is the ultimate goal and has been but not that an approval had been issued.
GLTA Wally
I hear you Wally..."but" Rufus said that "they" don't need to approve it.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
(sorry if hair splitting but just putting it out there.)
He was talking about Threshold Price Reset and distribution of shares when he said that not the move to NASDAQ,
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: That's the second time today that TUT is wrong. First he stated that if the PPS reached $15 prior to the 30th the additional shares would not be needed. Why was he wrong because the additional shares are a done deal as of yesterday and the only thing we are awaiting is the distribution on or around the 30th.
In his lastest post he stated that Rufus said we are approved to move to NASDAQ. Wrong again, Rufus stated that we had met all the requirements to move, big difference. They are negotiating with MM's to underwrite the move and quote it when the move happens. Be careful. Don't believe everything posted. We still need to be doing our own DD. DD is an ongoing labor. Do not stop. Read the filings yourself and listen to the show so that you know what RUFUS actually said and didn't say. Interpretation of the individual posting has to be taken into consideration Why not hear from the horses mouth,
Be Careful. Rufus did say that listing on NASDAQ is the ultimate goal and has been but not that an approval had been issued.
GLTA Wally
I hear you Wally..."but" Rufus said that "they" don't need to approve it.
Q: Do they have to approve it?
A: What do they have to approve. I don't have to ask them. I just have to notify them. The only thing they regulate is the time frame - 1o days"
(sorry if hair splitting but just putting it out there.)
Just for clarification guys when Rufus said that he was referring to the share issuance.
Posted by Jenna on :
Hey Repo Suave!! I bet you wish you would have bought some yesterday....... Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by djg7: I'm just got off the phone with etrade. They said they received a Bloomberg report saying that there was no filing. Etrade researched this and found the report and the E will be taken on the account in the next day or two. Not to worry we're OK.
That is funny... I guess Bloomberg doen't read it's own news section.
ok as far as rufas ,he said they have been compliant since last tuesday...about nasdaq...compliant means ready or disposed to comply: submissive dispose means arrange, settle ,get rid of comply means conform with a request, rule, etc. go to bed nothing anyone can do but wait for tomorrow
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: well I opened up my merrill lynch account. Now tomorrow I'll start on having them transfer my ameritrade account over to merrill. Wally are sticking with ameritrade.
Never was with Ameritrade. Been with Scottrade. I haven't had many problems with them but will be looking into Choicetrade and lowtrades over the next few weeks as back up brokers. One lesson from this has been that you need more than one broker for a couple of reasons. If your broker restricts buys for any reason you can buy through your secondary broker and the other is for the GEEK Play. THe plays where having less than a 100 shares after a reverse will give you 100 shares after the reverse. Multiple accounts allows for multiple opportunites to profit.
GLTA Wally
yup
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: NASDAQ must approve it! That makes ZERO sense. Every company that wants to trade on the NASDAQ must fill out an application ,period.
repo:
they are talking about the share "issuance".. not moving to NADQ yet...
we are not "allowed" to call it a split or a dividend...
sheesh luv are you out of college yet?
ya...that's the way I understood it: NASD (not the exchange, NASDAQ) is supposed to be notified, whether they "approve" or not.
Posted by a surfer on :
I wonder if Humble meant $50-$75 bucks after the 6 to 1. HMMMM.
Posted by a surfer on :
Tex, glass, wally have you ever been in a penny that made it to Nasdaq???
Posted by humble on :
(September 13, 2006), the much anticipated merger between Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. and the Fronthaul Group has been completed *************************************************
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
Page 22.
GLTA Wally
Which sounds more convincing:
From the PR on Sept 13:
"We at Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. are diligently working to complete and process, in the short term, any and all additional filings and submissions required as we move forward as a new vibrant company."
or Sept 29:
"The Board of Directors (the "Board") and Majority shareholders of FHAL has unanimously approved the Merger Agreement....FHAL and CVSU intend to file an S-4 registration statement / prospectus in connection with the proposed Merger for the registration of the CVSU share pursuant to the Merger agreement. Completion of the Merger is subject to customary closing conditions"
My point? If you are looking for a method to the madness, be sure to read what is written, not what you want to see. As of Sept 29th was the merger complete?
If the merger finalization means the final day to be counted then Oct seems to have really been the last day to climb on the train:
"The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB."
Unpredictable but fun days ahead for holders. Not so much for everyone betting against this. Don't let the time it took to get to this point fool you. This is the beginning not the end.
... In My humble opinion.
Posted by a surfer on :
Hey repo by the way when is FRPT gonna make Naz...
Posted by humble on :
(September 13, 2006), the much anticipated merger between Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. and the Fronthaul Group has been completed *************************************************
The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB.
Page 22.
GLTA Wally
Which sounds more convincing:
From the PR on Sept 13:
"We at Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. are diligently working to complete and process, in the short term, any and all additional filings and submissions required as we move forward as a new vibrant company."
or Sept 29:
"The Board of Directors (the "Board") and Majority shareholders of FHAL has unanimously approved the Merger Agreement....FHAL and CVSU intend to file an S-4 registration statement / prospectus in connection with the proposed Merger for the registration of the CVSU share pursuant to the Merger agreement. Completion of the Merger is subject to customary closing conditions"
My point? If you are looking for a method to the madness, be sure to read what is written, not what you want to see. As of Sept 29th was the merger complete?
If the merger finalization means the final day to be counted then Oct seems to have really been the last day to climb on the train:
"The Corporation hereby chooses option (c) to reset the Share value to an equivalent of $15.00 by issuing additional shares to each shareholder of record as of the close of business on October 16, 2006, the issuance date of the Reset shares is October 30, 2006 10 business days from the filing of this form 10-KSB."
Unpredictable but fun days ahead for holders. Not so much for everyone betting against this. Don't let the time it took to get to this point fool you. This is the beginning not the end.
... In My humble opinion.
Oct 16th, that is - according to the date of record. Apologies for the typo.
Goog luck and good evening.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Tex, glass, wally have you ever been in a penny that made it to Nasdaq???
only one I can think of offhand is GTEL--as far as pennies to bigs--which went to AMEX as GTE, then recently was delisted, I believe...maybe bounced back to pinks. Would have to check that thread to see new ticker, etc...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Solid, Humble.
Good night Board!
Posted by a surfer on :
Thanks Tex.. Good night all. Caviar dreams.
Posted by glassman on :
ya...that's the way I understood it: NASD (not the exchange, NASDAQ) is supposed to be notified, whether they "approve" or not.
on SPR? Rufus indicated that he was giving notice as of that day (yesterday)....
i see the problem on not giving advance notice for the shareholders.. ] however? do we know that he didn't give notice to the authorities? and if he did? how would they notify the public, since it isn't a split or a dividend?
he is saying it's part of the reset, not a divvy or split... i understand what he means, i just don't have anything to compare this to...
i GUESS the SEC doesn't either...
SOMETIMES? it's alot easier to just go ahead and do something and ask for forgiveness after than it is to get permission...
the SEC would have a hard time taking awya everybodies shares without a big fight..
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Hmmmm, wonder why they didn't hold for the 16th?
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Form 144: Filing to Sell 75000 Shares of Conversion Solus Hldgs Cor (CSHD) 6:10 p.m. 10/17/2006 Provided by
Oct 17, 2006 (Vickers Stock Research via COMTEX) -- Document Processing Date: October 16, 2006
Filer: BARTON, LANE Relation:
Stock Name: Conversion Solus Hldgs Cor Stock CUSIP: 21254V100
Stock Symbol: CSHD Exchange: OTC
Transaction date: October 01, 2006 Shares for sale: 75000 Value held: $187125
Broker: JONES (EDWARD D.)& CO
Copyright (c) 2006, Vickers Stock Research Corporation. All rights reserved.
Posted by driver4t3 on :
can not get any news or filings at pinksheets.com, what is up with that, it say's there is no info for that security... anybody know ????
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by driver4t3: can not get any news or filings at pinksheets.com, what is up with that, it say's there is no info for that security... anybody know ????
same thing is going on at NADAQdotcom...
dunno what to think...
Posted by driver4t3 on :
otcbb is working, wierd. my etrade account is way off as well.
Posted by Jo4321 on :
Wall street being rocked??
Maybe it's the end times, I got my daily email from TDAmeritrade and it said PTSCE was $24.57 or something like that. It really is .90.
Jo
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: ya...that's the way I understood it: NASD (not the exchange, NASDAQ) is supposed to be notified, whether they "approve" or not.
on SPR? Rufus indicated that he was giving notice as of that day (yesterday)....
i see the problem on not giving advance notice for the shareholders.. ] however? do we know that he didn't give notice to the authorities? and if he did? how would they notify the public, since it isn't a split or a dividend?
he is saying it's part of the reset, not a divvy or split... i understand what he means, i just don't have anything to compare this to...
i GUESS the SEC doesn't either...
SOMETIMES? it's alot easier to just go ahead and do something and ask for forgiveness after than it is to get permission...
the SEC would have a hard time taking awya everybodies shares without a big fight..
"however? do we know that he didn't give notice to the authorities?"
nope...not as far as I've seen.
However, I see your "however" and raise a However...
from what I've gleaned? Roofie is saying the 10-day notice applies to the 30th... iow, he has not addressed 10 days *before* the 16th...
Posted by driver4t3 on :
WOW, my etrade account changes everytime I log into it, the numbers are crazy.
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by djg7: I'm just got off the phone with etrade. They said they received a Bloomberg report saying that there was no filing. Etrade researched this and found the report and the E will be taken on the account in the next day or two. Not to worry we're OK.
Since when does a brokerage decide that a company gets an "E"? I would think this would be the job of the otc or sec. I wouldn't think that each brokerage has to go in and actually figure out which companies are deliquent and then change the symbol themselves.
This seems real fishy, but I would have expected it from TDA and not ETrade.
If this opens and anyone had an "E" in their account...well, lets just say I think there would be a good buying opportunity!
Posted by driver4t3 on :
could be a game giving shorts an opportunity.
Posted by T e x on :
yikes!
am trying to listen to SPR loopcast...am *very* surprised to learn Simon doesn't get the difference between a halt and a suspension... Posted by betting babe on :
my broker brought this to my attn today and asked the same question.
i didnt have an answer. ~BB
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Hmmmm, wonder why they didn't hold for the 16th?
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Form 144: Filing to Sell 75000 Shares of Conversion Solus Hldgs Cor (CSHD) 6:10 p.m. 10/17/2006 Provided by
Oct 17, 2006 (Vickers Stock Research via COMTEX) -- Document Processing Date: October 16, 2006
Filer: BARTON, LANE Relation:
Stock Name: Conversion Solus Hldgs Cor Stock CUSIP: 21254V100
Stock Symbol: CSHD Exchange: OTC
Transaction date: October 01, 2006 Shares for sale: 75000 Value held: $187125
Broker: JONES (EDWARD D.)& CO
Copyright (c) 2006, Vickers Stock Research Corporation. All rights reserved.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: yikes!
am trying to listen to SPR loopcast...am *very* surprised to learn Simon doesn't get the difference between a halt and a suspension...
simon is just like us Tex...
he knows alot, but not everything and he seems to be genuinely interseted in learning.. not an "instant expert".. .. as you recall? at first i was expecting an expert on CSHD and when he turned out to be NOT and expert? i was dispappointed, until i realised he was just learning about it... he does inquire...
Posted by wallymac on :
It's an individual. Seeing it through a 144 makes me believe that these were formerly restricted shares. More than likely he has been holding these for quite some time and probably pay pennies for them. This was right after the notice of late filing. The only one that can explain it is ther person themself. However, if he had it since pennies and now stood to cash out at $187K hey who can realy blame him.
Just my take on it.
GLTA Wally
Posted by nwafloat on :
OK, has you can see from the number of posts, I am new to this thread. I have been reading your posts for a couple of weeks. I have been in CSHD prior to finding this thread. I am still in CSHD!!
I apologize upfront if the information in the link below has been covered already. But it appears to me that article from **********.com would make most investors very nervous about Rufus and company. Perhaps the article is full of fabrications. Although I am not sure why.
Can anyone shed some light on the article and the claims that are made?
This is NOT bashing!! I just want to get your collective take on the article. I will still need to decide for myself. And please, keep the emotional part out of your analysis. After all, it is all of our money here.
Sorry, I did not know that certain things are censored here. Why would that be? Just getting all of the info out, so informed decisions can be made.
Posted by glassman on :
what does it rhyme with? Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: **********
put a space between the letters.
Posted by 10of13 on :
copy the link again...BUT put a space between the stars
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: **********
Posted by nwafloat on :
s j t j o j c j k j w j a j t j c j h. Every other letter.
Posted by glassman on :
saw them too...
we've seen half a dozen "professional" sites say it's garbage..
we've seen hundreds of "seasoned traders" say it's garbage...
thing is? the price just keeps going up... not just for a week or two, like most pumpandumps, but for three whole months..
strange huh?
Posted by driver4t3 on :
s t o c k w a t c h, there is no credibility with that site, none at all.. not a good site to visit and prolly shorted this stock to death and now has to cover.. IMHO
Posted by 10of13 on :
go back several pages to about 6:00 yesterday...I think it was brought up then..it's all old stuff...that we have DD throught the past few months...
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: s j t j o j c j k j w j a j t j c j h. Every other letter.
Posted by T e x on :
yikes...
am listening to replay whence "Anthony" posits 11-ish trading range...
I think he meant it could be trading in that range today.
wheeeee....
ok...now on da loop, I'm hearing Roofie as he joins in...
Posted by nwafloat on :
All;
I was not looking for bashing of S T O C K W A T C H. I know nothing about them. But the report surely is not full of lies. I was hoping that the claims they have made can be refuted.
Like I said, I am long a large number of shares and would like to tap your knowledge regarding these claims. Are they all FALSE??
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: yikes...
am listening to replay whence "Anthony" posits 11-ish trading range...
you are gonna be up late then..
i listened to all but an hour of Rufus..had to go get grub... Rufus was still on when i got back, and i had listend to him for a long time when i left...
BTW? for all you folks that thank Rufus towlks feehnney? EVER'BUDDY eyin mah neyborhood tawlks jes lak 'im... (cepten mey o 'curse)
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: All;
I was not looking for bashing of S T O C K W A T C H. I know nothing about them. But the report surely is not full of lies. I was hoping that the claims they have made can be refuted.
Like I said, I am long a large number of shares and would like to tap your knowledge regarding these claims. Are they all FALSE??
The claims have been refuted. Go back and read. Sorry, I have no more patience for this. Do some DD and then come back. Sorry, I sound rude but this is about the 100th time I've seen this approach. Mods, it seems pretty obvious!
Posted by driver4t3 on :
no one is bashing s t o c k w a t c h just as much as no one here is bashing cshd right ???
Posted by ccvle on :
whats up with the "e"? Now ameritrade is also showing a pending symbol change for cshd.
Posted by driver4t3 on :
10 of 13 said the comments on that are about 6 oclock yesterday, you can go back and get the boards thought on it.. glty
Posted by Doniboy on :
Since when can you talk to your broker at 9:45 at night?
quote:Originally posted by milliam:
quote:Originally posted by djg7: I'm just got off the phone with etrade. They said they received a Bloomberg report saying that there was no filing. Etrade researched this and found the report and the E will be taken on the account in the next day or two. Not to worry we're OK.
Since when does a brokerage decide that a company gets an "E"? I would think this would be the job of the otc or sec. I wouldn't think that each brokerage has to go in and actually figure out which companies are deliquent and then change the symbol themselves.
This seems real fishy, but I would have expected it from TDA and not ETrade.
If this opens and anyone had an "E" in their account...well, lets just say I think there would be a good buying opportunity!
Posted by nwafloat on :
All;
As i stated before, I am NOT bashing CSHD. I am long. Sorry if your patience are being tried. Not exactly what I looking for in replies. I will go back thru the threads and see what I can find.
Cassidy, what does "Mods, it seems pretty obvious!" mean? You want me banned from posting here?? WOW.
Just looking for input. Relax.
Posted by nwafloat on :
Thank you Driver4T3. I will do that.
Posted by djg7 on :
Doniboy, I talked to customer service at etrade which is open 24/7. Call them if you don't believe me.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: All;
As i stated before, I am NOT bashing CSHD. I am long. Sorry if your patience are being tried. Not exactly what I looking for in replies. I will go back thru the threads and see what I can find.
Cassidy, what does "Mods, it seems pretty obvious!" mean? You want me banned from posting here?? WOW.
thre's been a lot of nastiness shared at alot of bulletin boards over this stock....
important part is right here: you will not use this BB to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violative of any law Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: All;
I was not looking for bashing of S T O C K W A T C H. I know nothing about them. But the report surely is not full of lies. I was hoping that the claims they have made can be refuted.
Like I said, I am long a large number of shares and would like to tap your knowledge regarding these claims. Are they all FALSE??
The claims have been refuted. Go back and read. Sorry, I have no more patience for this. Do some DD and then come back. Sorry, I sound rude but this is about the 100th time I've seen this approach. Mods, it seems pretty obvious!
I'm a mod...********** article I saw seemed OK, at least on first-read.
lol, there *are* lotsa questions. What in particular do you find egregious in that article?
Posted by glassman on :
I'm a mod...********** article I saw seemed OK, at least on first-read.
lol, there *are* lotsa questions. What in particular do you find egregious in that article?
that article is much better about presenting more aspects of easch incident and at least MORE of both sides of them than soursteets articles are...
and? it's apparently true that Rufus posts on-line in BB's... i never did like that...
cassity's problemis PROBABLY that we've had a few people that start off real polite and within a few hours are calling everybody idiots. which technically is a violation of the users agreement... since it's insulting... even if it's perfectly true that we are all idiots for playing the penny market
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: I'm a mod...********** article I saw seemed OK, at least on first-read.
lol, there *are* lotsa questions. What in particular do you find egregious in that article?
that article is much better about presenting more aspects of easch incident and at least MORE of both sides of them than soursteets articles are...
and? it's apparently true that Rufus posts on-line in BB's... i never did like that...
cassity's problemis PROBABLY that we've hada few peopl e that start off real polite and within a few hours are calling everybody idiots. which technically is a violation of the users agreemnt... since it's insulting...
Whats wrong with Rufus typing on a message board? He really wants investors to win this time!
Posted by glassman on :
Whats wrong with Rufus typing on a message board? He really wants investors to win this time!
i don't think it's against the rules as long as he is careful what he posts...
but? it's not "normal"... that's why i don't "like" it...
and IMO? it is risky if he says too much, or shares info that he shuold make full disclosure on..
it has not stopped me from trading this and even holding some for the re-set...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Whats wrong with Rufus typing on a message board? He really wants investors to win this time!
i don't think it's against teh rules as long as he iscareful what he posts...
but? it's not "normal" that's why i don't "like" it...
it has not stopped me from trading this and even holding some for the re-set...
holding some for what re-set Those shares are pretty much guarenteed now no matter what unless the SEC investigates and shuts down the whole company for a scam or fraud or something, correct?
Posted by nwafloat on :
Tex;
I do not believe I have been rude or insulting in the few posts that I have here. I do not believe I have violated the user agreement in manner.
I have gone back over pages 57-68 and not found any answers to the claims in the article.
I will reread the article and post specific questions that I am not sure about. Hope this does not offend anyone here. If it does, simply do not read my posts.
Posted by glassman on :
Tex? don't you think simon is "confused" about volume too... the MM's show a buy and a sell... unless? they are buying to hold and sell ata later date...
or? selling shares they don't buy or have...
Posted by ccvle on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Chart- AWESOME post!!! I knew that CSHD was big but this showed me just how lucky I am to be in & * this price!!!
Thanks for posting this- Super Exciting!
10Q that is coming out Nov 15th will say the company has a asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22
GOOGLE is at $420.00 per share!!! PERIOD ENDING 31-Dec-05 31-Dec-04 31-Dec-03 Total Revenue 6,138,560 3,189,223 1,465,934 Cost of Revenue 2,577,088 1,457,653 625,854
Gross Profit 3,561,472 1,731,570 840,080
Total Assets 10,271,813
BOTTOM LINE GOOGLE has 10,271,813 in assets period ending Dec of 05
CSHD is going to report in NOV that it has an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22!!!!!!!!!
SEE the big picture people... And SMILE!!!!
[/QB][/QUOTE]
I think you got the numbers wrong.
Posted by glassman on :
holding some for what re-set [Smile] Those shares are pretty much guarenteed now no matter what unless the SEC investigates and shuts down the whole company for a scam or fraud or something, correct?
i am waiting to see right along with you...
theres a lot of logistical things to be accomplished for this to happen.... it's too late at night tonight to go down the checklist with you... but i agree with you... i held some for the reset... rufus says it is done... but it's not done till it's done...
no pessimism, no optimism, just waiting...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: Tex;
I do not believe I have been rude or insulting in the few posts that I have here. I do not believe I have violated the user agreement in manner.
I have gone back over pages 57-68 and not found any answers to the claims in the article.
I will reread the article and post specific questions that I am not sure about. Hope this does not offend anyone here. If it does, simply do not read my posts.
relax, and welcome to allstocks....
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: All;
As i stated before, I am NOT bashing CSHD. I am long. Sorry if your patience are being tried. Not exactly what I looking for in replies. I will go back thru the threads and see what I can find.
Cassidy, what does "Mods, it seems pretty obvious!" mean? You want me banned from posting here?? WOW.
Just looking for input. Relax.
Well, I guess when anyone starts out with the classic line of "I'm not bashing, I'm a long" it raises alarms. Also I posted a link to the article that Webb wrote last Friday. Since I have done ample DD, it was easy for me to see that Webb's DD was to read OUrStreet and Da lemon. I found the article humorous and posted it here for entertainment purposes. I guess what is troubling to me is that you have been in the stock for 4 months and yet think a hack job deserves serious discussion. I, for one will not sit here and take the story apart line by line. Most has been covered over the past months.
I'd be interested in your take on it since you have been in the stock for a while. A new perspective to what we have found.
GLTA Wally
Posted by T e x on :
lol,
one at a time, fellas...
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: I will reread the article and post specific questions that I am not sure about. Hope this does not offend anyone here. If it does, simply do not read my posts.
Oh yeah good idea... Lets go out a grab all the false, totally refuted, basher articles that we have covered time and time again on this and the four previous threads and post the lies on the thread again. Because this would not be a flagrant proliferation of the fore mentioned lies on a security stock board in a total individual effort to initiate confusion and doubt amongst the shareholders on the site.
If you really had a question you WOULD GO DO YOUR OWN DD and come back when you have something to contribute other than old basher articles written by shorty.
Where is the ingore button? Mods?
Posted by nwafloat on :
Wallymac;
I just finished printing 13 pages of the article. I will post some of the things I have concerns about. As for the classic line, "Im not bashing, I'm long", it is simply the truth. It is to bad that alarms are going off. Honestly said, if my posting is spoiling the party, I will back to just "peeping".
Never was my intent to upset anyone. Again, simply the truth.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: Wallymac;
I just finished printing 13 pages of the article. I will post some of the things I have concerns about. As for the classic line, "Im not bashing, I'm long", it is simply the truth. It is to bad that alarms are going off. Honestly said, if my posting is spoiling the party, I will back to just "peeping".
Never was my intent to upset anyone. Again, simply the truth.
I'm interested in hearing them, let me know!
Posted by thedoctor on :
I went over to etrade and pulled up CSHD. It gave me a price of $2.02 and on the same page, it showed the 10K filing from yesterday.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: Wallymac;
I just finished printing 13 pages of the article. I will post some of the things I have concerns about. As for the classic line, "Im not bashing, I'm long", it is simply the truth. It is to bad that alarms are going off. Honestly said, if my posting is spoiling the party, I will back to just "peeping".
Never was my intent to upset anyone. Again, simply the truth.
Don't misunderstand. There is no party. I know I have posted over and over again that we need to continue doing DD. Secondly, no one is chasing you away. Please post. I'm interested to know what in your DD made you decide to buy and stay long on CSHD. Not a challenge just a question.
GLTA Wally
Posted by lostone on :
i just realized that i'm one of the oldest registered member here.. anyway, my TDA is not showing any pending "E" or F's for that matter..
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: I'm a mod...********** article I saw seemed OK, at least on first-read.
lol, there *are* lotsa questions. What in particular do you find egregious in that article?
that article is much better about presenting more aspects of easch incident and at least MORE of both sides of them than soursteets articles are...
and? it's apparently true that Rufus posts on-line in BB's... i never did like that...
cassity's problemis PROBABLY that we've had a few people that start off real polite and within a few hours are calling everybody idiots. which technically is a violation of the users agreement... since it's insulting... even if it's perfectly true that we are all idiots for playing the penny market
well...
i don't endorse that, either--obviously.
lol, understood about idjits, though Posted by glassman on :
Honestly said, if my posting is spoiling the party, I will back to just "peeping".
honestly? we want people to post real due dilligence... and of course we joke around alot...
if you've been in the stock for awhile? and you are nervous? then sell....
popping in and asking me to give you my analysis of a rather long article is asking a lot IMO...
hit on specifics? one at a time? and peopl emay be willing to share their opinions...
Posted by nwafloat on :
Well, it seems to me that before I ever get to asking about some of my concerns, that there is no place here for it. Sorry that I "bothered" you folks.
Not everyone has been in this forum as long as most of you. Just wanted some FRIENDLY discussions on issues I had.
No need to upset all of you.
Thanks
Posted by T e x on :
hello...
this route (a vs b vs c) I'm hearing Roofie say C was favored all along...
Posted by lostone on :
o, i forgot to add.. i'm kinda disappointed at the volume today, over 3mil! i thought most would be holding after seeing the 10K's .. anyone watched the transactions today? any large blocks that are notable? from the view of the chart alone shows huge blocks in the early morning.. my main concern is that if there is any significance in the sellers..
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: Tex;
I do not believe I have been rude or insulting in the few posts that I have here. I do not believe I have violated the user agreement in manner.
I have gone back over pages 57-68 and not found any answers to the claims in the article.
I will reread the article and post specific questions that I am not sure about. Hope this does not offend anyone here. If it does, simply do not read my posts.
sorry, I dunno...
not familiar with your posts; PM if necessary...
best,
-- tex
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: Well, it seems to me that before I ever get to asking about some of my concerns, that there is no place here for it. Sorry that I "bothered" you folks.
Not everyone has been in this forum as long as most of you. Just wanted some FRIENDLY discussions on issues I had.
No need to upset all of you.
Thanks
wow? one person out of ten offended you and you are acting like we are mistreating you now? i don't get it...
this has been happening alot lately...
the Mods have spoken, you are not being banned... ask your questions...
Posted by ccvle on :
quote:Originally posted by lostone: i just realized that i'm one of the oldest registered member here.. anyway, my TDA is not showing any pending "E" or F's for that matter..
all GTC orders for cshd have been canceled due to pending symbol change.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by T e x: hello...
this route (a vs b vs c) I'm hearing Roofie say C was favored all along...
dang, got side tracked with nwa...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by nwafloat: Well, it seems to me that before I ever get to asking about some of my concerns, that there is no place here for it. Sorry that I "bothered" you folks.
Not everyone has been in this forum as long as most of you. Just wanted some FRIENDLY discussions on issues I had.
No need to upset all of you.
Thanks
I'm asking for your veiws and opinions. How is that unfriendly? As Glassman stated we WAANT people to bring DD here to discuss that has been one of the attributes of this board. I won't beg you but just put something on the table we can get our teeth into.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: i just realized that i'm one of the oldest registered member here.. anyway, my TDA is not showing any pending "E" or F's for that matter..
all GTC orders for cshd have been canceled due to pending symbol change.
Yea mine got cancelled in etrade.
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: I'm a mod...********** article I saw seemed OK, at least on first-read.
lol, there *are* lotsa questions. What in particular do you find egregious in that article?
that article is much better about presenting more aspects of easch incident and at least MORE of both sides of them than soursteets articles are...
and? it's apparently true that Rufus posts on-line in BB's... i never did like that...
cassity's problemis PROBABLY that we've hada few peopl e that start off real polite and within a few hours are calling everybody idiots. which technically is a violation of the users agreemnt... since it's insulting...
Whats wrong with Rufus typing on a message board? He really wants investors to win this time!
lol...what's wrong with that?
surely, you're not serious...
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: i just realized that i'm one of the oldest registered member here.. anyway, my TDA is not showing any pending "E" or F's for that matter..
all GTC orders for cshd have been canceled due to pending symbol change.
Where did you get that from? Can you post a lilnk?
GLTA Wally
Posted by nwafloat on :
Glassman;
I will reread the article, I will dig deeper for answers, if I cannot locate the answers I would like to ask them here. Hopefully people will see that for what it is.
I unfortunately will have to wait until tomorrow to post. Long day and heading for bed.
Posted by glassman on :
the doctor and i got off on a bad start... but i think it worked out...
not everybody thta starts of with 'i don't want to bash but" is a "stealth basher", the doctor PMed me withthat and i was suspicious right off..but he hasn't bashed...
i think some of us have just forgotten waht our first foray into posting was like... my kids have grown up doing this without thinking about ut, but i didn't..and i was not shy, but i was cautious...
Posted by lostone on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: i just realized that i'm one of the oldest registered member here.. anyway, my TDA is not showing any pending "E" or F's for that matter..
all GTC orders for cshd have been canceled due to pending symbol change.
ah.. thanx.. yea, all mine are cancelled too.. but it seems like i can open another position just now..
Posted by T e x on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: Tex? don't you think simon is "confused" about volume too... the MM's show a buy and a sell... unless? they are buying to hold and sell ata later date...
or? selling shares they don't buy or have...
you could be right; have not gotten "there" yet, or I missed it...
Simon's really good on charts, but just for example, he didn't know about te dailylist till I explained it...
hey--we're all good at something; nobody's expert at everything
Posted by ccvle on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: i just realized that i'm one of the oldest registered member here.. anyway, my TDA is not showing any pending "E" or F's for that matter..
all GTC orders for cshd have been canceled due to pending symbol change.
Where did you get that from? Can you post a lilnk?
GLTA Wally
no link to post, you need to have a tdameritrade account to check. Anyway, the addition of an "e" has been confirmed by ameritrade and etrade.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: the doctor and i got off on a bad start... but i think it worked out...
not everybody thta starts of with 'i don't want to bash but" is a "stealth basher", the doctor PMed me withthat and i was suspicious right off..but he hasn't bashed...
i think some of us have just forgotten waht our first foray into posting was like... my kids have grown up doing this without thinking about ut, but i didn't..and i was not shy, but i was cautious...
I agree. I wasn't trying to insinuate that he was basher. Just wish he had asked specific questions is all. Posed a view. Something.
GLTA Wally
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac:
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: i just realized that i'm one of the oldest registered member here.. anyway, my TDA is not showing any pending "E" or F's for that matter..
all GTC orders for cshd have been canceled due to pending symbol change.
Where did you get that from? Can you post a lilnk?
GLTA Wally
no link to post, you need to have a tdameritrade account to check. Anyway, the addition of an "e" has been confirmed by ameritrade and etrade.
See I find this very interesting since shares held in a margin account can be borrowed if there is no sell order in place. The Plot thickens.
GLTA Wally
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: the doctor and i got off on a bad start... but i think it worked out...
not everybody thta starts of with 'i don't want to bash but" is a "stealth basher", the doctor PMed me withthat and i was suspicious right off..but he hasn't bashed...
i think some of us have just forgotten waht our first foray into posting was like... my kids have grown up doing this without thinking about ut, but i didn't..and i was not shy, but i was cautious...
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....I'm getting hives thinking about that horrible night. LOL
Posted by glassman on :
no link to post, you need to have a tdameritrade account to check. Anyway, the addition of an "e" has been confirmed by ameritrade and etrade.
and somebody was giving me a hard time earlier tonight for being negative about this...
now? i'm trying to convince soembody else he won't be banned for bashing politely...
shhesh...
i am not surprised AMTD and etrd have teh E... they are not allowing new long positions anyway...
i say that this stock being 2$ with all of them working against it is a friggin miracle...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: the doctor and i got off on a bad start... but i think it worked out...
not everybody thta starts of with 'i don't want to bash but" is a "stealth basher", the doctor PMed me withthat and i was suspicious right off..but he hasn't bashed...
i think some of us have just forgotten waht our first foray into posting was like... my kids have grown up doing this without thinking about ut, but i didn't..and i was not shy, but i was cautious...
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....I'm getting hives thinking about that horrible night. LOL
come on doc all i really did was throw you in the deep end with the Makos... you swam fine Posted by thedoctor on :
glassman....I went over to the etrade site and checked CSHD. When it came up, it was CSHD gave the correct price and stated that the 10K was filed yesterday. There was no E at the end. I am not a customer at Etrade (I am with Scottrade and Smith Barney)but I went to their home page. Its crazy that one page of theirs says one thing and the other says its getting an E.
Posted by Spooky on :
quote:Originally posted by lostone:
quote:Originally posted by ccvle:
quote:Originally posted by lostone: i just realized that i'm one of the oldest registered member here.. anyway, my TDA is not showing any pending "E" or F's for that matter..
all GTC orders for cshd have been canceled due to pending symbol change.
ah.. thanx.. yea, all mine are cancelled too.. but it seems like i can open another position just now..
I would guess that is because of some automated system at the broker that flagged because of the day list entry that talked about CSHD getting the E designation IF they were not compliant. The company did comply, but that was probably not something the programers at the broker put into their automated system.
I don't know for certain that this is fact, but I would be willing to wager that my guess is pretty close to the mark.
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: the doctor and i got off on a bad start... but i think it worked out...
not everybody thta starts of with 'i don't want to bash but" is a "stealth basher", the doctor PMed me withthat and i was suspicious right off..but he hasn't bashed...
i think some of us have just forgotten waht our first foray into posting was like... my kids have grown up doing this without thinking about ut, but i didn't..and i was not shy, but i was cautious...
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....I'm getting hives thinking about that horrible night. LOL
come on doc all i really did was throw you in the deep end with the Makos... you swam fine
Yea....You all taught me how to swim, but I wouldn't trade this group for any others. We all learn from everyone else here.
Posted by ccvle on :
brokers dont make the decision to change the symbol. if the e is coming tomorrow then it is going to be on every where.
Posted by thedoctor on :
From what I can see, on Scott and Smith Barney; neither will have an E.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: brokers dont make the decision to change the symbol. if the e is coming tomorrow then it is going to be on every where.
and if it is? it'll probably be on for a day or two...
no big deal IMO... but peopl may get scared...
Rufus waited till the last possible minute... he actually went into the grace period... sourstrett was peeing his pants with delight
the system was ready to do thier job...
Posted by Spooky on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: brokers dont make the decision to change the symbol. if the e is coming tomorrow then it is going to be on every where.
The broker isnt putting an E on it, as far as I've heard they simply canceled GTC transactions because CSHD's name came up on a list... correct me if I'm wrong
Posted by ccvle on :
What I dont get is why Rufus keep on insisting the due date was 9/30 when in fact it was 9/28. He also promised no "e". I know the 10k has already been filed,but you cant steal something from a store then return it and say nothing happened.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: What I dont get is why Rufus keep on insisting the due date was 9/30 when in fact it was 9/28. He also promised no "e". I know the 10k has already been filed,but you cant steal something from a store then return it and say nothing happened.
They were compliant and filed on time. THere is no "E". Check the OTCBB website that posts information on delinquent issues. CSHD does not appear on the list.
Wow. I guess they will accomplish something out of this afterall. Isn't strange that it's only Etrade and Ameritrade doing this? The stock will not be trading under 2 different symbols. The 10K was filed in the prescribed time.
GLTA Wally
Posted by ccvle on :
I agree that we dont deserve the "e" since the 10k is already out,but I have to disagree that we filed on time. We were on the otc list for deliquent on the 16th, they didnt put us on the list just in case we didnt file. We were on the list because we were already late on the 16th.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: I agree that we dont deserve the "e" since the 10k is already out,but I have to disagree that we filed on time. We were on the otc list for deliquent on the 16th, they didnt put us on the list just in case we didnt file. We were on the list because we were already late on the 16th.
get out of here basher, we had enough of you at HSM
Posted by bilgert on :
Goin' to bed I checked in one more time on the board. I also checked my E*Trade account.
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: I agree that we dont deserve the "e" since the 10k is already out,but I have to disagree that we filed on time. We were on the otc list for deliquent on the 16th, they didnt put us on the list just in case we didnt file. We were on the list because we were already late on the 16th.
get out of here basher, we had enough of you at HSM
you calling me a basher??? I was one of the few that went on to support this stock after the 10k came and everybody was crying of dilution. I have no problems showing screen shots of my ameritrade account.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
http://www. s t o c k w a t c h.com/ swnet/newsit/newsit_newsit.aspx?bid=B-608476-U:CSHD&symbol=CSHD&news_region=U
Posted by ccvle on :
you called me a basher then go on and post that sh-t?
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: you called me a basher then go on and post that sh-t?
I found it interesting.
"Well, they have an unlimited source of logs for the new toilet paper...but a mite waterlogged though...
Audited financials are a crock, no proper auditor's statement....they never paid the $400k, and have, what, $1860 in the bank...what about that $28 mm interest payment that they should have received? Oh, and what about the latest bond...they claimed it is for $5bn, yet it has a face value of $700mm...and of course all of these bonds are owned by multiple holders, not CSHD....
As well, they are REQUIRED to notify NASD 10 days in advance of any share issuance....and 15 days in advance when needing to change the authorized share number...which is currently at 200mm........they have done neither.
You are being scammed."
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Looks to me like they are getting desperate, the only thing I agree with is that the officers past's are very shady.
Posted by cassity on :
Wow I thought I was being pretty nice to the newbie. I figured if you had been reading a thread for very long, you might learn to NOT start your first post with, "I'm not a BASHER, but have you seen -----". Probably not the best way to start IMO. It's a good thing I didn't have time to respond to Neptune today! That probably would have got me banned. If you have some questions fine, but think it out a little before you type! GLTA
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
OMG!!! I am SO glad that i am on a different time schedule so i can read after the fact and react accordingly.
People, take some time OFF. Everyone that posts here anymore is being labelled a basher. No wonder why people sit quite in the shadows afraid to post. Yes, some of the information brought up has been mentioned before but either ignore it or make a simple comment that it has been covered.
Listen, we are going to have LOTS of new posters coming to this board as more and more news sites covers CSHD. Some of these people are not at all aware of the things we are and are just looking for clarification. IMO we do a damn good job of scaring them to ihub, hsm or some other place.
Ive reacted harshly to some people myself, im not innocent in this case. But, im starting to get uncomfortable with the reactions.
If you dont want to be labelled a "cult" lets please not act like one? Posted by kilikili on :
quote:Originally posted by lostone: o, i forgot to add.. i'm kinda disappointed at the volume today, over 3mil! i thought most would be holding after seeing the 10K's .. anyone watched the transactions today? any large blocks that are notable? from the view of the chart alone shows huge blocks in the early morning.. my main concern is that if there is any significance in the sellers..
I believe the MM's were trading amongst themselves. Throw in the daytraders as well. I also believe most are holding to see if the get the extra 6 shares per share in their account by Nov. 1
IMO
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
And FWIW Etrade clearly does list CSHDE in my portfolio. This morning is starting off peachy.
important edit : Although it says CSHDE in my portfolio if i click the symbol it says no results found for that symbol. So, there seems to be no confirmation one way or the other
Posted by bigstocks on :
If we get an E its no big deal. They've filed. Relax. Ive made tons trading on the E.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: OMG!!! I am SO glad that i am on a different time schedule so i can read after the fact and react accordingly.
People, take some time OFF. Everyone that posts here anymore is being labelled a basher. No wonder why people sit quite in the shadows afraid to post. Yes, some of the information brought up has been mentioned before but either ignore it or make a simple comment that it has been covered.
Listen, we are going to have LOTS of new posters coming to this board as more and more news sites covers CSHD. Some of these people are not at all aware of the things we are and are just looking for clarification. IMO we do a damn good job of scaring them to ihub, hsm or some other place.
Ive reacted harshly to some people myself, im not innocent in this case. But, im starting to get uncomfortable with the reactions.
If you dont want to be labelled a "cult" lets please not act like one?
BASHER!!!!! J/K Hey Cat, look at the way people introduce themselves. I understand that there will be new faces and that's great, most everybody on here hasn't been in as long as you and I. My problem is the same song and dance. If they are really lurking in the shadows, reading the thread they would know what the heck is going on. If they just found the site, it might be a good idea to read a little before posting. I read for almost a month before I ever posted and when I did I just introduced myself, NOT hi I'm not a basher. Peoples nerves are shot on this stock and people have missed out on an opportunity to make good money here because people have scared them out of their shares. I'll question every one's motive until they show their true colors. I was one of the few who gave doc a chance when he first started and now I can see he has good intentions. JMO
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well, i understand all of that Cassity. I just think that some people are shy, cautious and downright afraid to post here because they HAVE been here a while and have witnessed new posters walk the gauntlet. I know that "hi im not a basher" is a bad way to start and i also know that our nerves are worn thin.
I honestly think some people are scared and dont know how to start but i also agree that some people have hidden motives.
My employer kept me out all night and im back in the office early this morning so im grumpy....no harm intended. Posted by cassity on :
It's all good Cat. I'm looking forward to the coming days and I hope all of our CSHD dreams come true. GLTY and I'll be keeping my eye on you! Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: People, take some time OFF. Everyone that posts here anymore is being labelled a basher. No wonder why people sit quite in the shadows afraid to post. Yes, some of the information brought up has been mentioned before but either ignore it or make a simple comment that it has been covered.
THANK YOU!!!! I've been saying that to myself for a couple of days now. It's almost getting hard to watch. It's so degrading to be called bashers, peeps, or whatever name people come up with. It's gotten so bad that I don't even post here much anymore. We need to come down to earth people. Yes, there are bashers, no doubt. But if you think they are, just ignore them. Don't label somebody a basher just because you disagree with them. Odds are, you're wrong, and all you're doing is shooting someone down for no reason. I REALLY try to be friendly and sincere with everybody I meet, not just here, but in life in general. I'm not big on BB's, so I don't know all the abbreviations, names, etc...so yes, sometimes it's difficult for me to post things. I'm SURE others are in the same boat. So if they finally work up enough courage to post something (yes, sometimes it takes courage because this board can be very intimidating), it sure doesn't help to immediately label them. Maybe they just didn't type it in a way where their intentions were clear. Maybe they just are horrible typists (like me). Whatever it is, just give these people a chance. Let them talk, express their views, and who knows, they may come up with something that nobody else has ever though about.
Anyway, I'll get off my soap box. This is without a doubt, the BEST board out there for DD, talent, and even some great laughs...tons of good peope. I wouldn't be in this stock as strong as I am, if I didn't believe and agree with what's been uncovered here. Let's just not get carried away with labeling people. We don't do it when we first meet someone walking down the street, so lets not do it here.
...time to get to bed, it's late. Good night all.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: It's all good Cat. I'm looking forward to the coming days and I hope all of our CSHD dreams come true. GLTY and I'll be keeping my eye on you!
Haha, the German Polezei have that covered!! Posted by Bittermac on :
I am with Cassity on that one. I was lurking for a while before I posted. I do my own DD. The questions in the article have been refuted, again and again. Not just on this board, but elsewhere. Someone who is "Long and not a basher" would have been able to find it fairly easily. Bringing up the same stuff, doing no personal DD and then whining about not being hugged and handheld thru it all is getting silly.
Bashers exist, simply fact. The quickest way to identify them? They immediately state that they are not, when no one accused them in the first place.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Ok, so im not a Tut lover necessarily but here is his latest. Im guessing he plans to reveal his identity today. Its about friggin time, if he is so confident in himself and CSHD and wants us to believe him then why didnt he reveal himself sooner?! Eccentric one this Tut
tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 302 Tomorrow, or should I say sometime today you are going to hear probably the most important message I have ever sent. You are all on to something the likes of which I know for a fact you will never see again. What I have to say will change your lives forever for the better and I want to share it with everyone of you. It may be my last message you will ever need. Is that a clue? Until then I will say this. Hold strong because you are at the very gates of victory, no matter how or what you may think. You are too close now. Hold strong!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Update about the "E" 6:40 am EST
Its still listed as CSHDE in my portfolio but still is not recognized by etrade quotes. Weird. And, now yahoo has jumped on board with the "E". Fidelity as well.
Dont worry Bittermac, im not panicking. But, it would sure be nice to hear something from the company regarding this. This could use some attention IMO
Posted by driver4t3 on :
anybody know why otcbb states that cshd is delinquint. 14:00 10/18/2006 CSHD CSHDE Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. Common Stock Delinquent **
Posted by driver4t3 on :
how long does the E have to be there.???
Posted by driver4t3 on :
dang it man, the bashers will have us for breakfast, hope the company filed it on time.. Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
driver...youre gonna give yourself an ulcer.
Give it a few hours and see how things transpire.
Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: driver...youre gonna give yourself an ulcer.
Give it a few hours and see how things transpire.
your absolutly right, 3:30 on the west coast, think I'll go to bed maybe wake up around 9:00 golf after a late breakfast then check this out.. it can't be to big of a problem, just an oversight or something, anyway, enjoy your morning..
Posted by a surfer on :
Scottrade has no E.
Posted by a surfer on :
hit em straight driver.
Posted by a surfer on :
Probably the brokerages that are the shortest have the E... LOL Desparately seeking shares.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
it shows up on yahoo too surf. It's on otcbb also unless I'm looking in the wrong place.
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Yup E is for real, look at yahoo finance
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22:
quote:Originally posted by ccvle: you called me a basher then go on and post that sh-t?
I found it interesting.
"Well, they have an unlimited source of logs for the new toilet paper...but a mite waterlogged though...
Audited financials are a crock, no proper auditor's statement....they never paid the $400k, and have, what, $1860 in the bank...what about that $28 mm interest payment that they should have received? Oh, and what about the latest bond...they claimed it is for $5bn, yet it has a face value of $700mm...and of course all of these bonds are owned by multiple holders, not CSHD....
As well, they are REQUIRED to notify NASD 10 days in advance of any share issuance....and 15 days in advance when needing to change the authorized share number...which is currently at 200mm........they have done neither.
You are being scammed."
Stocktrader 22 what is your deal?? You yell at someone that they are bashing 2 posts earlier then post this.... Are you kidding me. Bi polar perhaps. Give me a break. You must have panick sold mon. p.m. or something.
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Yup E is for real, look at yahoo finance
So which st22 do we have today the basher or pumper???
Posted by a surfer on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: it shows up on yahoo too surf. It's on otcbb also unless I'm looking in the wrong place.
If we hadn't seen the 10k this would be an issue.
obviously there is a misunderstanding somewhere along the lines.
I am not even worried in the least about this, Just another page of the book.. LOL
Posted by BooDog on :
I'm not sure how long it takes once the filing is made to loose the e. I'm watching AZMNE who got their e a little bit ago. But they haven't put their filing in yet so can't really use that as a comparison. They weren't that late either but since they just moved from pk back to OB they were being watched pretty close. I would not expect major pps shifts just because they have the e since the filing here has already been made. except UP!
Posted by BooDog on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: Scottrade has no E.
yOU NEED TO DELETE CSHD AND RELOAD CSHDE
Posted by RyanPBF on :
ameritrade has it as an e now.
Posted by BooDog on :
question is whether or not they will restrict online buying.
Posted by a surfer on :
I still show scotty as CSHD... No E
Posted by a surfer on :
I am sure the situation will be handled by rufus and co.
I am out for the day. Good luck fellas
Posted by BooDog on :
did you add cshde to your your watch list? shows all 0's. wait till closer to 9:30 seems these guys are the last ones to get to work.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Mornign Board....my scottrade homepage's dialogue box for Positions shows CSHD "without an E". . . . I also have some shares of AZMN, and when it went to an E several weeks ago, it was updated automatically by Scottrade's software.
Posted by BooDog on :
now watch azmn get their filing and pass cshdE lmao! (jk - don't think so!)
Posted by 401k on :
Today's Clip Report from Knobias is not so kind to us...
Money Might Grow on Trees A series of news releases, a couple of surprising CEO interviews, an unordinary business plan, along with foreign international bonds, South American business operatives, market valuation estimates in the billions and trillions, and multiple subsidiaries, all have one thing in common; they have been associated with Conversion Solutions Inc (CSHD) formerly Fronthaul Inc (FHAL). The name has been the highlight of more than one investigative report focusing on management comments, non operating subsidiaries, and CEO promises regarding stock prices. It seemed eyebrows began to raise in May when FHAL’s auditors resigned because of the 10-QSB for the quarter ending March 31, 2006 that was filed prior to their completion of the auditor’s review and the Company’s purchase of its common stock violated certain loan covenants and were not properly disclosed to the public. On June 14th, another hair raising news piece was announced. The Fronthaul Group signed an LOI to provide third party logistics for the Climate Exchange of the Americas, Inc. for management and third party logistics over their exclusive Brazilian license to recover sunken logs from the Amazon River and its tributaries. Noted in the release, “The Fronthaul Group’s specific area of responsibility could yield a potential of $1,500,000,000 in gross revenue.” Yeah, that’s $1.5 billion. But on October 3rd, the company announced that Ecowood, LTD., a Lake Dallas-based company via CSHD, announced the addition of Michael Alexander (former CEO of CSHD) as the CEO, President and Chairman of the Board. Mr. Alexander had also become the majority shareholder of Ecowood, LTD. Alexander noted in the release, “This purchase comes with unbelievable assets, to include, standing rainforest timber management, a major titanium deposit, clear title to all the logs at the bottom of the Amazon River and its tributaries, with carbon credits. We will utilize all resources at our disposal to begin the monumental task of rebuilding and replanting the lost Amazon Rain Forest.” Also in the press release: Mr. Alexander had received independent values on the logs from an outside source, which put current market value approximately $75 billion USD. The carbon credits current value is approximately $4 trillion USD. The current value of the titanium is yet to be determined due to the unknown sizes of the deposit. All of this is according to Alexander, who did not return phone calls. The next piece of attention grabbing news concerned the company’s acquisition of Conversion Solutions, Inc. (CVSU) on July 8th. In the reverse move, FHAL would become the operating business under the Conversion Solutions name. All officers of the former exited while Rufus Harris, Ben Stanley, and others would keep their jobs under the new name. Calls to Harris’ office and cell went unreturned. Stanley was also not available. Rufus Harris stated during an interview on a radio show that the newly formed company would trade at $15.00 after the company’s 10-K was released. In the interview, Harris calculated that the merger facilitated $803,149,146 in booked assets and shareholder equity. Their initial estimates placed the company combined financial structure and per share book value at $7.21. Harris’s thought process noted that since the company was reversed into for what he thought was a price paid of $15.00, the company should be worth at least that until the shorts decided to cover, which would take the price higher. The 10-K was eventually released, but was late compared to when the company noted it would have been reported. In the release, it was noted that Total Assets for the fiscal year end was $830,009,352. Total Shareholder equity for the fiscal year end was $789,508,292. Total issued shares as of year end was 62,489,721, giving the corporation a calculated book value of $12.63 as of June 30, 2006. Another odd aspect to the 10-K was the announcement of a dividend that would a) increase the outstanding number of shares and b) reset the share value to a equivalent of $15.00. “The Threshold Price Reset means that for every share you owned as of the close of business today you will receive 6 additional shares (no fractions will be issued and will be rounded down to the nearest whole) of CSHD on or around October 30, 2006. This transaction will take the total issued share number to 618,813,942 giving the corporation an estimated book value of $11.78,” stated Harris. But there are a few more oddities in Tuesday’s release. “The ratio of share issuance will use the following formula ($15.00 divided by the Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006 (X) minus Actual Closing Price on October 16, 2006) (15 / X - X).” In reality, the math should look more like this: ($15.00/$1.80)- $1.80 = 6.53 shares. Another piece of troubling news is the lawsuit the company has filed against Dr. Thomas Mensah. The company and Mensah agreed to collaborate on a joint venture agreement in August of 2005 called American International Smart Structures. It seemed that Dr. Mensah began to participate in some bad mouthing of the company and the agreement between the two, and CSHD decided to file an injuncture. If Mensah said anything for certain is not known. What is known is that Mensah’s accomplishments, patents, and inventions speak for themselves. He played integral parts in Smart Weapons, including the Patriot Missile, and has made huge strides in laser guided weapons. He holds 7 patents and also has been named to the board of various entities. In any event, the company’s ex CEO who is now the new CEO of a company that is now in negotiations to become a part of CSHD is troubling. Add to the fact the company’s international bonds, a proposed resetting of the stock, and the lawsuit against an established inventor for what seems no more than wanting out of the deal that
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Did you guys see SIGA this morning??? BOOYAH! Too bad I sold early, but my picks have been on FIRE lately... need to learn to be patient in my exit strategies.
Posted by luvforever on :
Quote: Originally Posted by tutankhamen Tomorrow, or should I say sometime today you are going to hear probably the most important message I have ever sent. You are all on to something the likes of which I know for a fact you will never see again. What I have to say will change your lives forever for the better and I want to share it with everyone of you. It may be my last message you will ever need. Is that a clue? Until then I will say this. Hold strong because you are at the very gates of victory, no matter how or what you may think. You are too close now. Hold strong!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Scottrade has NO E, and I can pull up quotes just fine..
Did anyone think that the "POWERS THAT BE" m ight be trying some BS to get you to SELL?!!!
DON'T buy into the "E" BS...
MO Posted by luvforever on :
Quote: Originally Posted by tutankhamen Let me tell you something! If this does by "accident" ( or by someones's design) show an "E" I will say the same thing as Rufus said, "Buy the crap out of it" because if there is an "E", right after it is removed because of the bureaucratic error, it will jump up automatically. Bingo, Instant profit! Use your "steet smarts". Shove the shorts even down deeper into the cobras open jaws.
Posted by portman on :
The only thing that may happen is a few of the unwashed will sell and the MM's will try to push it down.
The problem is many longs are just waiting for the ability for get more shares. The monies I put into here for any additional playing of this stock is out disposable income. In other words for a while we are just diverting funds that would otherwise get wasted on one time use items. If I stop buy this stock those things resume as normal.
In the past I have intra-day flipped those new shares for more shares. However, since many brokers do not allow you to control what shares are what I am only in pure accumulation mode. For me the risk of flipping and the brokerage "accidentally" using my share bearing shares is too great.
Today may be my buying opportunity prior to my new funds arriving at midnight.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Did you guys see SIGA this morning??? BOOYAH! Too bad I sold early, but my picks have been on FIRE lately... need to learn to be patient in my exit strategies.
!.97 yester. close and it's premarket is jumping all around at 6.25!!!
WHOA~~~~ haha ~ I guess! What the heck is going on with that Repo? Did they PR that shareholder's there will get REAL CSHD shares?!! he he ~~ Posted by RyanPBF on :
well I have cshde on my tda streamer and if I type in cshd it also comes up. So I'm going to watch and see which one actually trades today.
Posted by bilgert on :
I stand corrected. Etrade has registered a name change this morning. Although right now, due to E*Trade's inertia, all it has is a series of numbers and letters.
And as others have mentioned, CSHD is now CSHDE on finance.yahoo.com
The confusion this creates should make for an interesting morning.
Posted by luvforever on :
tutankhamen Listen shareholders. Even if there is a bureaucratic glitch and there is for some reason an "E", Hold strong because the company is obviously up to date on filings. Hold strong and do not let it change your mind. If there is a glitch it will be corrected immediately before you know it. It may have been instigated by the short groups looking for a loophole and believe me they are looking for every possible out they can find even in technicalities. Don't whatever you do let it fool you.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
From the FWIW department....tut-eister was talkative last evening...for those that are interested, follows are his posted overnight on HSM......
______________________________________________ Today, 05:23 AM #5890 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Let me tell you something! If this does by "accident" ( or by someones's design) show an "E" I will say the same thing as Rufus said, "Buy the crap out of it" because if there is an "E", right after it is removed because of the bureaucratic error, it will jump up automatically. Bingo, Instant profit! Use your "steet smarts". Shove the shorts even down deeper into the cobras open jaws. ________________________________________________
Today, 04:43 AM #5863 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Listen shareholders. Even if there is a bureaucratic glitch and there is for some reason an "E", Hold strong because the company is obviously up to date on filings. Hold strong and do not let it change your mind. If there is a glitch it will be corrected immediately before you know it. It may have been instigated by the short groups looking for a loophole and believe me they are looking for every possible out they can find even in technicalities. Don't whatever you do let it fool you.
_______________________________________________ Today, 04:00 AM #5847 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Tomorrow, or should I say sometime today you are going to hear probably the most important message I have ever sent. You are all on to something the likes of which I know for a fact you will never see again. What I have to say will change your lives forever for the better and I want to share it with everyone of you. It may be my last message you will ever need. Is that a clue? Until then I will say this. Hold strong because you are at the very gates of victory, no matter how or what you may think. You are too close now. Hold strong! _______________________________________________ Yesterday, 10:45 PM #5537 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Listen long shareholders. If anyone on this forum speaks or posts with even the slightest negative inference right now just do not even bother replying to them in any way whatsoever. You are all sitting on the biggest opportunity of a lifetime and you will be the ones laughing and smiling all the way to your banks. Totally ignore anything else for today even if you see a post you don't like. I think you will find that our good moderator Don will begin banning them one by one.
Think and talk only about the good things that are about to happen. Talk about what you would like to do when this changes your lives forever. Talk about charities or other public services that could benefit from all of you. Talk about the children in your own countries that could gain something very valuable from what you have to offer from your experiences. There are children out there that need our help to have the opportunities that you all will have because of this. Let us give them some hope for a better future. They are our future. We have so much good to focus on now. Use this opportunity wisely and the greatest gift you can give is the love and understanding and help to those in real need. ________________________________________
Yesterday, 10:00 PM #5331 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Quote: Originally Posted by cshdlong This is not about bashing. Etrade is either seriously Fu**ed up or the stock is now trading as CSHDE.
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Quote: Originally Posted by QuestSolver Great post....always nice to give this thread a reality check once in a while
Do all your due diligence back to the original 8k and combine it with the latest and it does not apply so this is another topic that can be scrapped and not talked about anymore.
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Quote: Originally Posted by CDR Avanti For what it's worth, IMO:
I'll be more blunt: If you are still in CSHD it is because you believe what they are doing, so listen to them! Your shares are worth $70 book value based on yesterday's filings. Stocks trade at 2-8 times that. Stocks also trade on future value. That is yet to be seen but $7 billion buys a lot of future value. Mr. Harris stated last night he has twice this value waiting to come out. So, make that $140 book value x 2-8 times that. Expressions like "Rock Wall Street" haven't been said lightly. This is David vs Goliath and not for the faint of heart.
If you sell at $15, $50, $140, $280, etc., especially before 30 October, you will be shorting yourself. Do not act on fear or misinformation. You know you can come here to do your DD. Spend the time on your investment as if you are getting 700%+ return on investment, because you will. A $2 stock yesterday will be worth $14 plus just two weeks from now and multiple times that by the end of the year if you believe Mr. Harris.
Noobs, if you can't find your answer, ask, but don't keep repeating the same question over and over. Longs (new and old) have patience with questions. Try to give a lead to the answer OR IGNORE THE QUESTION.
Don't engage Bashers. The "E" thing tonight was a perfect example of how gullible this group can be.
DUE DILIGENCE & PATIENCE, FOLKS! That will make us victorious.
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Quote: Originally Posted by Snivvle i just got off the phone with etrade, since i broke through them. i asked for a broker, he said he was one, doesn;t matter. **** i recorded the entire thing, however at the end, i accidentally pressed f-10 which is CANCEL RECORDING rather than f-8, keep recording, lol. oh well. anyway, the guy said "according to bloomberg, it should come out as CSHDE tomorrow because they were deliquent on filing. I then said, "do you know why an E would be filed after a stock symbol?" He said "no i don't" I then said "Not to quesiton or undermine your intelligence or anything, but you do realize they filed the 10K yesterday, on time, meaning they aren't deliquent?" He said "Well, I don't know too much about why they would add an E at the end, I thought they would add a D, but I just look through bloomberg to see what they say as to why a stock symbol change is occurring" I then said "Well thanks for your time"
Anyway, he obviously doesn't know jack crap about why a stock gets an E at the end. I also asked "Hey, how come CSHD shows 1.04 closing price when they closed at 2.04? He said "Well, its just a misprint, tomorrow it should read 2.04 again"
Anyway, summed up what I was getting at. No offnese to the people at Etard who answer phones this late at night, but they prob get paid 11-15 bucks an hour by "trying" to answer basic questions via google and their crappy database. Again, he didn't know what an "E" was, and why an "E" would be added at the end of a stock. he just said "Well thats what bloomberg showed me"
Eeek
I talked with Ben and there is no "E" and I use a very advanced professional screen and there is no "E". Let us just completely stop talking about it or even saying the word anymore in any manner. _______________________________________________
Yesterday, 08:24 PM #4893 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Shareholders listen very closely and heed my words. I just finished talking with Ben Stanley and I also checked for myself. There is not going to be an "E" on CSHD and that comes from my checking and also from Ben Stanley. Again stop talking back and forth about an "E". There will not be one. If you want to see the most effective "short crush" or "short squeeze" you have ever seen then let us all completely starve the shorts by not giving them even one single share. You want to completely annihilate them and no amount of mercy should be given because they will not show you any mercy if you give in to them.
Hold strong everyone and change your focus on what you are about to see. You are sitting on the biggest opportunity of a lifetime here. I will also repeat what Rufus said on the radio yesterday. If everyone holds tight and not flips, or daytrades or sells this stock right now, you could see this easily reach even $100 or higher in one or two weeks. Anyone that sells right now would only help any shorts and by holding tight the shorts will be literally starved and have to reach higher and higher for the stock. There will be those that may post and tell you in very subtle ways about selling stock but I repeat, don't listen to them. Remember I warned everyone before to hold strong and yesterday you saw why. Those that sold are now without. Again I am saying hold strong for the biggest bombshell is about to come.
Don't forget that at any moment also Rufus could pull the final trigger and we will be on NASDAQ. He already said yesterday it was already approved as of last Tuesday.
النصر لك
I will repeat this again: Hold strong and tight.
Listen carefully shareholders. Now you know why I said to hold tight. Now I will say it again. Hold tight because this will squeeze the shorts because they will have to deliver all FTD's so that the share dividends can be put into your accounts. Now they have no choice if everyone holds tight you could see the biggest squeeze in history. No flipping, no daytrading right now. You have no idea this is just only the beginning of things you have no idea about yet.
The cobra has struck with a furious vengeance. The shorts will never get out of this.
You are either with or without today. You who have stood strong, yours is the victory cup to drink of.
Those who stand before me will live. Those who stand with their backs to me will surely perish.
ya KHabar befloos, bukrah yeb'a bebalash
Posted by djg7 on :
My power etrade L2 is listing an E. It list CSHD as CUSIP # 21254V100 in my portfolio. wtf Maybe etrade is also short.
Posted by NEL on :
Fidelity showing CSHD not valid but not showing anything when I add the E. I know we all saw the filings?
Posted by 66inxs on :
scotty appears to be trading under chsd
Posted by NEL on :
Now Fidelity shows CSHD NOOOOO E!!!
Posted by BooDog on :
Forums are getting out of control! lmao.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Did you guys see SIGA this morning??? BOOYAH! Too bad I sold early, but my picks have been on FIRE lately... need to learn to be patient in my exit strategies.
!.97 yester. close and it's premarket is jumping all around at 6.25!!!
WHOA~~~~ haha ~ I guess! What the heck is going on with that Repo? Did they PR that shareholder's there will get REAL CSHD shares?!! he he ~~
This is what happens when stocks get real news... I know you would all like to see this happen to CSHD... keep hoping.
They have a vaccine for smallpox.
Posted by 66inxs on :
siga is going crazy today for sure over 3 mil shares traded already. too late to get in the run though. dang dang dang!!!!!!!
Posted by 66inxs on :
ultimate gap play plus 3.50 at open !
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Did you guys see SIGA this morning??? BOOYAH! Too bad I sold early, but my picks have been on FIRE lately... need to learn to be patient in my exit strategies.
!.97 yester. close and it's premarket is jumping all around at 6.25!!!
WHOA~~~~ haha ~ I guess! What the heck is going on with that Repo? Did they PR that shareholder's there will get REAL CSHD shares?!! he he ~~
This is what happens when stocks get real news... I know you would all like to see this happen to CSHD... keep hoping.
They have a vaccine for smallpox.
Wow good for them!
And the shareholders! We might just be rocking here to soon.... Hope so anyways, Got my ticket bought Posted by thesource on :
BofA account shows CSHD but I can also pull it up as CSHDE . Before , it would say not a valid ticker . Do you think its possible the SEC pulled the 10K because of the ammendend version and people *****ing about it ?
This morning is going to be very ugly !!!
Posted by 66inxs on :
scotty still does not show chsde as a valid symbol but it comes up under chsd.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
If there is an "E" then everyone's platform will lock up the symbol CSHD and it will freeze.
I don't see that happening...
As you can see, you can pull up QQQQ or even Repo's SIGA that the premarket activity SHOWS up, and if CSHD was now CSHDE (which it isn't according to what I'm seeing) then it would be shut off, and locked out..
But it's not
Party on CSHD!!!
Premarket ASK on CSHD is $2.03 Posted by ClayN on :
My scottrade shows CSHDE in the streamer and in my postions section.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by ClayN: My scottrade shows CSHDE in the streamer and in my postions section.
Same here.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
Ameritrade has No E.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Remember Board...
Rufus told us yesterday that it is a "FACT" that TDA applied and was DENIED a LOAN!!!!
Guess where I think that "e" BS is coming from...
Tut's pimping the squeeze now and calling it to run until the 30th and saying we might have HUGE news even today....
Tut FWIW, has smelled out some things for us before, but what I put more faith in is what Rufus said about going to the NAZ and his line about watching the wires for news!!
THAT gets me thinking!
Hang tight peeps! CSHD ride starts in 20 some minutes!!! Posted by thedoctor on :
I just checked my portfolio at Scottrade and it NOW has an E. CSHDE
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: tutankhamen Listen shareholders. Even if there is a bureaucratic glitch and there is for some reason an "E", Hold strong because the company is obviously up to date on filings. Hold strong and do not let it change your mind. If there is a glitch it will be corrected immediately before you know it. It may have been instigated by the short groups looking for a loophole and believe me they are looking for every possible out they can find even in technicalities. Don't whatever you do let it fool you.
Oh, so when I said the E would be applied today and King Tut kept saying no, I was right!? lol......
Posted by bigstocks on :
Good morning all, my Aturd shows an E. I get both on the streamer. JMHO
Posted by Chartwalker on :
FWIW...
On Scotty I can now pull up CSHD and CSHDE..
WTH?...
Must be a glitch ~
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
I have scotty and mine shows an E
Posted by casviper on :
THE SYMBOL HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!!! CSHDE
I just got this off the pinksheets.
The symbol for this security has changed. The new symbol for this security is CSHDE
Posted by dog on :
Ignore it... it's a glitch that I think the bad guys are taking advantage of... we saw the 10K on Edgar. Nuff said.
Posted by Sandusky on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Ameritrade has No E.
My Ameriturd account shows an E.
Also, I can pull up both CSHD and CSHDE on the streamer...pre-market activity appears to be on CSHDE. Sheesh...what a mess.
Posted by Igor R on :
I can only pull up the l2s in my etrade pro using CSHDE.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
not for nothing but this guy from Ihub makes a good point.
The fact that they're getting labeled with an E now is probably a mistake, yes.
But the fact remains that they were one day delinquent in their filings and were to receive the E. They escaped that by filing in their first day of delinquency.
How many multi-billion dollar companies do you know of that do that? If nothing else, you should be angry at Rufus and company for allowing this situation to happen in the first place. They should've been aware of when their filing date was.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Sandusky:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Ameritrade has No E.
My Ameriturd account shows an E.
Also, I can pull up both CSHD and CSHDE on the streamer...pre-market activity appears to be on CSHDE. Sheesh...what a mess.
Oh yeah, you're right.. just updated.
THE "E" HAS RETURNED.
Posted by ClayN on :
I emailed Scotty and told them to get rid of CSHDE. Told them CSHD filed on time on the 16th and that I really shouldn't have to do there job for them and tell them that.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: FWIW...
On Scotty I can now pull up CSHD and CSHDE..
WTH?...
Must be a glitch ~
Posted by liquidmetal on :
This must be the reason the website has been down. Any ideas on what the E means? I hope something that makes me rich....
Posted by BULListic on :
I got an E on my Scotty. CSHD is invalid to them.
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: scotty appears to be trading under chsd
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by liquidmetal: This must be the reason the website has been down. Any ideas on what the E means? I hope something that makes me rich....
Hahaha.. are you seriously asking this??? It means, Eu' de toliette in French.. meaning, THIS THING IS GOING DOWN THE TANK TODAY.
Posted by Barrharbor on :
My TDAmeritrade shows the E, i put in an order to buy more but says opening trades not allowed. Then again, I tried to buy more yesterday and TD would not accept my order. I never have any trouble selling, just buying.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by dog: Ignore it... it's a glitch that I think the bad guys are taking advantage of... we saw the 10K on Edgar. Nuff said.
I agree dog...
We'll sit back and ride this out...
Who knows, another "trick" Rufus has up his sleeve?....
Still the same company everyone Posted by liquidmetal on :
Any chance they changed the symbol to open at a different price this morning?
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by liquidmetal: Any chance they changed the symbol to open at a different price this morning?
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Well we all know the 10k WAS filed, so how long before the dumb E is gone?...
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by liquidmetal: This must be the reason the website has been down. Any ideas on what the E means? I hope something that makes me rich....
Hahaha.. are you seriously asking this??? It means, Eu' de toliette in French.. meaning, THIS THING IS GOING DOWN THE TANK TODAY.
ya know repo I am so sick of you...if you don't have anything decent or helpful to say...STFU! Thank you.
Posted by thedoctor on :
This has to hurt the PPS. I hope that it is corrected asap. I am not sure what we can do.
Posted by jmoe20 on :
Just FYI, in my account (etrade) i'm showing up shares under cshde. However when i search cshde it shows invalid symbol. I search cshd and it is showing up with updated bid and asks as well as 0 volume to start off the day. but the bid and asks keep moving up above the price 2.02 and 2.03 right now...
Posted by MikeSC on :
If this tanks today, I'll be buying like crazy.
Posted by casviper on :
quote:Originally posted by liquidmetal: This must be the reason the website has been down. Any ideas on what the E means? I hope something that makes me rich....
I was just on their website 2 minutes ago.
Posted by ruthie on :
well I guess we will see what the heck is going on soon....
Posted by maumee river rat on :
Mornin Gang!!!
Some kinda sneaky B.S. here, huh?
I just went into my TDAm account to change my sell price to something more rediculas than I already had it at.....
When I checked my order status, I found that it was cancelled due to the "SYMBOL CHANGE"...So when I tried to place a sell order in under the "NEW" symbol....It would not let me place it for the hi dollar amount that I wanted to....It wouldnt even let me place the order in for what I had it at before...HHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM!!!
Makes ya wonder if this E thing is just a nasty trick to cancell some sell orders and maybe free up some shares that can be borrowed...
Check your orders people....make sure they are still in effect..
Posted by new2stocks on :
Originally Posted by Snivvle I LOVE THE "E". you all are witnessing history here. They filed on time, yet the SHORTERS(THIS MEANS YOUR BROKERS AND MINE) shorted the "CRAP" outta this, and now trying to scare us out. I promise you, this is waht they are doing. Sound silly? Well, it is just as silly as a stock getting an E to the end of it when they filed 2 days early to deadline.
You will never witness this in another stock. As I said. THIS IS HISTORY PEOPLE!!!!
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Strange, there is no pre market movment for either CSHD or CSHDE! I was expecting them to be massively gapping down?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Scottys platform I have BOTH symbols up!
CSHD has a bid of 2.01 ask of 2.03 CSHDE has a bid of 2.02 ask of 2.03
??
Hold on to those shares IMO!
Posted by Sandusky on :
I expect something from the company soon. Someone needs to do some 'splainin.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by liquidmetal: This must be the reason the website has been down. Any ideas on what the E means? I hope something that makes me rich....
Hahaha.. are you seriously asking this??? It means, Eu' de toliette in French.. meaning, THIS THING IS GOING DOWN THE TANK TODAY.
ya know repo I am so sick of you...if you don't have anything decent or helpful to say...STFU! Thank you.
Hahahhahahaaha! Get your life preservers ready!
Posted by cool AZ on :
good mornin'all! Still in a stupor over all the "reset"! ... get's almost mind numbing! Took a break yesterday ... now I have to catch up! Later ... GLTY!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
He how laughs last Repo ~
We aren't gapping down are we?!
Hell NO ONE in there right mind would with all the ASSETS this company has! And 6 free shares coming in days!!
Posted by BULListic on :
Chart, I use ScottradeElite and it shows CSHD as invalid symbol on both the L2 and both the quote functions, what are you using?
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Scottys platform I have BOTH symbols up!
CSHD has a bid of 2.01 ask of 2.03 CSHDE has a bid of 2.02 ask of 2.03
??
Hold on to those shares IMO!
Posted by thedoctor on :
Why is Repoman allowed to constantly do what he does ? When we are having a nerve wrecking situation here, it really pis*es me off. I don't get that way often, but I really don't think he should be allowed to insite here.
Posted by MikeSC on :
Nothing has happened with cshde yet. It will probly be valid come 9:30.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Bullistic.. just a basic platform....
Now... premarket is only showing up on the CSHDE
Posted by RyanPBF on :
gapping down on cshde
Posted by thesource on :
This is weird , CSHD shows volume and going up . CSHDE shows volume and going down ?????
Posted by thedoctor on :
Repo....its as if you are happy if something bad happens. I personally think you go too far.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
edit : not worth it. Ill keep my opinions private Posted by thedoctor on :
I am doing just fine....You are like a little child that causes problems in grammer school. Grow up.
Posted by Igor R on :
Pretty low volume, for what seemed like it be a massive selloff, thats good.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
hold your shares people, this will clear up soon enough! I'm sure Rufus is ALL OVER IT!
Posted by casviper on :
can't we all just get along.....
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Repo....its as if you are happy if something bad happens. I personally think you go too far.
Could care less either way.. if you are that stressed out by this situation, maybe you should consider money markets?
you playing Mr Hyde again this morning repo? don't you have some flies to go pull the wings off of or something?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
If somebody wants to make a phone call, post what they say...
I'm sure that will make everyone feel better ~
Posted by cassity on :
Shouldn't take a rocket scientist to realize this E is a bunch of B/S. We are current with our files and EVERYONE knows that. UNREAL!
Posted by ClayN on :
Everyone who takes Repo seriously just needs to ignore him. Everyone who thinks he is a joke or funny can keep laughing at/with him. He is upset because he has been constantly wrong on this stock and it is killing him that the pps is not lower.
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: I am doing just fine....You are like a little child that causes problems in grammer school. Grow up.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
MM's will work this "E" thing...
Hey the 10K is filed... Don't fall for their BS!!
HOLD THOSE SHARES IMO ~
Posted by tyleemary on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by liquidmetal: This must be the reason the website has been down. Any ideas on what the E means? I hope something that makes me rich....
Hahaha.. are you seriously asking this??? It means, Eu' de toliette in French.. meaning, THIS THING IS GOING DOWN THE TANK TODAY.
ya know repo I am so sick of you...if you don't have anything decent or helpful to say...STFU! Thank you.
Yeah, to the toilet !! Goin down baby. DOWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
You might as well leave him alone Glassman. He's protected even above you.....
As for CSHD told ya it would bounce off the 50 RSI. Now lets see if it can hold it: I say she holds around this area until the consolidation is done on the Aroon and the A&D begins to turn up. http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=CSHD&p=D&b=5&g=0&id=p08035364660 Posted by cassity on :
Hey Glass do we have to put up with this. Are they adding any type of DD to the stock. They make people crazy.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: You might as well leave him alone Glassman. He's protected even above you.....
Protected? If people are protected to play on peoples emotions then im signing up for HSM.
Cya folks. Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by ClayN: Everyone who takes Repo seriously just needs to ignore him. Everyone who thinks he is a joke or funny can keep laughing at/with him. He is upset because he has been constantly wrong on this stock and it is killing him that the pps is not lower.
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: I am doing just fine....You are like a little child that causes problems in grammer school. Grow up.
My point is that if anyone else acts like some kind of fool....he is at least threatened with a bann. This guy appears to enjoy aggravating people. I know that some times he is a nice guy but he should know when to cool it.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
I'm not hoping it goes down, but with the "E", I predicted it WOULD go down, and it is. That is all.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
I am afraid that the STENCH in this thread today will be more than I can take...,.
I'll be back when the children are in bed...
GL everybody!!!!
Long and strong!!
Posted by cassity on :
I have never seen something so illegal in all my life! Anyone else find it amazing that we have dropped .21 on 66k in volume. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!
Posted by thesource on :
If we go below $1.50 , I'm going to cash in some other stocks and buy as much as I can .
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Do I even want to know why there is an E on the end of my CSHD? Please don't tell me that we were right about the filing date and Rufus and company were wrong. What's the latest?
Posted by casviper on :
lets just face it. with the E attached it will be a bad day. if the 10K is correct the E will come off, probably not until tomorrow. so today will be bad, we've had those before and look for a better tomorrow.
Posted by milliam on :
It has went down, but she's holding pretty good giving the "E" that's been added.
I'm pretty amazed at the strength this stock has with all of the pressure its seen!
BTW, that Lee Webb article that was posted, its been updated a bit to include his comments on some of the newer happenings. Just FYI.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
It's BS Matt......
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Has anyone talked to Sabra or Mitch or Rufus or Ben?
Posted by cassity on :
You see that people, we own an ANIMAL! Going up with the E and all. They will do EVERYTHING they can!
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
You know as I watch this price slowly start to rise again... I was thinking the "E" may cause people who otherwise would have overlooked CSHD today to go look for the filing.
Getting a wiff of that PR and the billions may bring in a few more investors in that realize it is filed and the bargain basement price.
Posted by MTPromises on :
going back up as quick as it went down
Posted by Chartwalker on :
hmmmm....
We might see HIGH OF DAY here soon! LMAO!!
Posted by milliam on :
Halt???
Posted by thedoctor on :
Sorry everyone for my tirade.......I just got a little off track. Back to business at hand.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
we get great news and it goes down, we get an E and we'll finish in the GREEN today!!
Just watch! LOL ~~~~~
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Tension is high everywhere folks. Look at any BB right now and you will see it. Confusion about the E is tearing the shareholders apart and creating mass panic.
Repo has a way with words and it gets to a lot of people. Dont sweat it, he just likes to be right. He made it clear before that he likes to be the advocate when people are pumping. Do your DD and Repo will leave you alone.
Were you referring to me about posting the PM i sent you Repo? If so, knock yourself out....but i assume you meant new2stocks.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
the "crooked" MM's (not saying they are all bad) must be just PISSED that this didn't work better for them!!!!!!
!!!
Posted by thedoctor on :
Numbers to call about the E
SEC Division of Market Regulation, Office of Interpretation and Guidance: 202-551-5777
SEC Investor Assistance and Complaints: (202) 551-6551
Posted by cassity on :
Sounds like it's getting fixed SOON!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Holding right arond $2.00!!!! Posted by luvforever on :
Okay folks once again remember why you bought this stock and why you still own it... Do not jump to conclusions. Rufas has been doing everything like he has stated...ugh... Remember who your friends are and if you really need help to understand pm them and they will help you through, if you need that extra support. Remember all the dd and your own... It is gonna be good..
Posted by 66inxs on :
instead of worrying about repoman has anyone found out if there was any reason why or if the 10k was rejected? that might give us the answers we need right now.
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Holding right arond $2.00!!!!
Did you hear something official or just thinking out loud?
Thanks.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Holding right arond $2.00!!!!
Did you hear something official or just thinking out loud?
Thanks.
you know we have an "E" on the end right?
CHSDE
By MISTAKE!
Posted by maumee river rat on :
cant do it...lol
Posted by fhalyesss on :
No matter how many beatings this stock gets it justs keeps getting back up!
CSHD : The Rocky Balboa of stocks!!!
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: instead of worrying about repoman has anyone found out if there was any reason why or if the 10k was rejected? that might give us the answers we need right now.
Thats what I think happened . I think they didn't follow the rules and the 10K got thrown out .
Posted by Kelroz on :
Holding up well considering the E addition.
Probably swing between 1.75 and 2.10 today with no more news, and this low volume.
I am not in atm. Just watching. I still think Rufie has somone protecting that $1.73 area.
GLTA
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: instead of worrying about repoman has anyone found out if there was any reason why or if the 10k was rejected? that might give us the answers we need right now.
i even got acused of being a basher or something last night for warning people this might happen....
relax...
the filing was late... they pushed it right into the grace period...
Posted by bigstocks on :
See ya Rat.
Posted by thedoctor on :
I just talked to the SEC They told me that they see no reason for the 'E' since the 10k was filed on Monday.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
Look at the $0.04 spreads. manipulating jerks! It doesn't work that way you DA's! $1.95 x $2.00 oh I got a 200 sell at $1.95. Here let's hurry up and switch it to $1.91 x $1.95... oops another freaked out investor sold 200. Let's switch it to $1.88 x $1.88... nobody will notice. It looks perfectly legit. NOT!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by luvforever: Okay folks once again remember why you bought this stock and why you still own it... Do not jump to conclusions. Rufas has been doing everything like he has stated...ugh... Remember who your friends are and if you really need help to understand pm them and they will help you through, if you need that extra support. Remember all the dd and your own... It is gonna be good..
hey luv... if you guys had discussed this rationally last night? you coulda saved people alot of greif...
i tried to tell you
Posted by milliam on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by milliam:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Holding right arond $2.00!!!!
Did you hear something official or just thinking out loud?
Thanks.
you know we have an "E" on the end right?
CHSDE
Sorry, I meant to quote Cassity By MISTAKE!
Posted by thedoctor on :
I can't find the numbers to Sabra and Ben. I misplaced them. Can someone post them please ?
Posted by DMOST on :
Man People really sweat at every move on this stock.
How do you play your poker hands if you sweat every bluff. Tomorrow,you will have those come on the board crying about sell because the "E" was attached.
Me, I'm just chilling, no sweat, no regret, just waiting on the big check. But.
"YOU PAY YOUR MONEY AND YOU MAKE YOUR CHOICE" Posted by 66inxs on :
morning glassman. there us no reason to tear each other apart here. the facts will come out soon enough. they were probably not fast enought to report the filing and the computer system added the e by mistake since it was in the grace period.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: cant do it...lol
I only could for a little bit myself yesterday too!! LOL ~~
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Numbers to call about the E
SEC Division of Market Regulation, Office of Interpretation and Guidance: 202-551-5777
SEC Investor Assistance and Complaints: (202) 551-6551
Did you talk to them Doc?
Posted by ruthie on :
It is very comfusing. The SEC says it Was filed on time but the e indicates it was late. Scottie says it will revert back when the paperwork is filed. This gets weirder and weirder....
Posted by dollar13 on :
WTF another RUFUS surprise Posted by 66inxs on :
repo definitely had the play of the day with siga. great gapper this am. props for that !
Posted by milliam on :
So, will this mistaken "E" make it harder for us to hit the NASDAQ?
Posted by luvforever on :
well I tried first off cause someone says they have an e on their screen everyone yells basher, no one heard the truth but today shows it on everyones account so go back and see who was a non believer! but I am not taking up space on the board over the E. I am no *****...I can handle the bashers and I know what I have its the darn cult here I can't stand... I know who I trust here and they are very few... BB Rat Chart are just the 3 best here and they wont lie to you and they do a lot of good dd better than anyone I have ever come across! As far as I am concerned Its all good! Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: cant do it...lol
I only could for a little bit myself yesterday too!! LOL ~~
Tom much drama here today Walker!!!!
I really must walk away from this....
I have some more drywall to deal with....FUN FUN FUN!!!
See Ya
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Here you go Doc...remember, push zero until you get someone.
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Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: repo definitely had the play of the day with siga. great gapper this am. props for that !
It's gone down ever since open....
Posted by madmoney on :
MM`s are really playing this E thing, dropping on low volume!!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: morning glassman. there us no reason to tear each other apart here. the facts will come out soon enough. they were probably not fast enought to report the filing and the computer system added the e by mistake since it was in the grace period.
uh? i posted that last night to Luv... i think you are missing the point here.. i warned luv last night about this.. it's absolutley no shock to me...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by maumee river rat: cant do it...lol
I only could for a little bit myself yesterday too!! LOL ~~
Tom much drama here today Walker!!!!
I really must walk away from this....
I have some more drywall to deal with....FUN FUN FUN!!!
See Ya
something happens I can PM ya ~
-or your partner in "grime" 10 will I'm sure Posted by RichBy26 on :
hey gang, what's going on? I see we got an E, but I did someone post that we got news???
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by milliam: So, will this mistaken "E" make it harder for us to hit the NASDAQ?
This is my concern...Rufus said they are already approved, but we will soon see.
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Yes, its possible that there was a "mistake" in the system and the E was added. But, lets consider the fact that maybe it wasnt a mistake. Glassman has a point, there is nothing wrong with discussing worst case before we know if thats the case we are facing.
If the SEC says there is no reason for the E then thats a good sign obviously. However, every broker is showing it so currently thats what we are trading under.
Personally if i could call Sabra i would...i can not im in the office in Germany. She can probably shed some light. IMO we could halt today, someone needs to put a stop to this nonsense. If that happens, still we wait and see what the result is. The ONLY options you have are buy, sell or hold.
You cant do anything about the E and we obviously can do nothing about the pps so watch the newswire and try to get a cshd officer on the phone.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:posted October 17, 2006 21:06 i think that if a mosquito farted? you guys would be yelling hurricane
this was my response last night when they started saying the "e" glitches we were seeing on our DDsites meant we are going to NASDAQ today ...
Rufus waited until the the grace period had started to file the 10K...
the "E" is just somebody's way of smacking him back...
Posted by thedoctor on :
Just getting an answering machine at the main number.
Posted by maumee river rat on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by milliam: So, will this mistaken "E" make it harder for us to hit the NASDAQ?
This is my concern...Rufus said they are already approved, but we will soon see.
Just another regulatory body F-ing up the paper work...
Two departments in the same outfit ,never talk to each other..
Some trigger happy idiot pushed the late button without checking the IN BOX!!
What ever it is .... I'm sure it will be straightened out in good order..
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Just getting an answering machine at the main number.
Thanks for trying doc ~
Posted by 66inxs on :
glassman its no shock to me either but it should disappear soon. siga has fallen since open the time to be in that was yesterday. thats another example of why you don't chase a run. but it has recovered from 4.62 to 4.93 so you could have still made a little today. too much risk on that for me though.
Posted by luvforever on :
The tide is high hmmmm but i'm moving on hmmmm,,, :LOL:
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
DMOST I am not sweating the "E" I am more upset at the manipulation. Trading at these levels does not make any sense. A security trading at 2% book value is crazy. The potential investors that are missing out on this sale because the manipulation is holding it below $5 is more than criminal at this point.
As a long shareholder I am wracking my brain to think of ways to legally shake these crooks off this security. I would love to do more than just complain about the manipulation to the SEC, Allstocks, and NASD.
The 10KSB should have put the real numbers in perspective... It is obvious that very little is going to shake these crooks at this point. PR's with the word Billion in it. PR's and 8Ks with the word "price reset to $15", Audited financials. Honestly, all that and a sale price of 2% book.
It should look like the Elmo isle at ToysRUs right now. Wheres the news coverage, the finger pointers, and the army of anti-short activists?
Posted by Kelroz on :
Anyone think Rufus would hold of on putting out any new 8ks or important PRs till the *E* is gone?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: glassman its no shock to me either but it should disappear soon. siga has fallen since open the time to be in that was yesterday. thats another example of why you don't chase a run. but it has recovered from 4.62 to 4.93 so you could have still made a little today. too much risk on that for me though.
SIGA? i actually chaecked the chart on that last night and saw no unusual volume...they kept the news a good secret... i didn't check it'till after hours tho..
the pre-market traders get nailed again... maybe...
smallpox cure? Donald Rumsfeld would love to add that to his defense budget...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
no trades now for a while....????
Posted by SherriT on :
Morning all - surprises all around - I actually got divy shares from another play I'd completely forgotten about...funny thing was, my initial reaction was "Hey - CSHD didn't give me enough shares" LOL
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I think something is going on.......
Bet Rufus has BOTH guns out!
I WOULD!!
Posted by 66inxs on :
i didn't even have siga on radar. i spent too much time yesterday trying to figure out what was going on with chsd and the amended 10k and its financials etc. and missed out on some other good opportunities to make money. i need to refocus on my system again.
Posted by bigstocks on :
There goes a couple small "transactions".
Posted by thedoctor on :
I can't remember a stock changing during the same trade day. Correct me if I am wrong. I can't see this being fixed till at least tomorrow.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
scotty's platform is down.....????? Froze
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: scotty's platform is down.....????? Froze
yep....
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: I can't remember a stock changing during the same trade day. Correct me if I am wrong. I can't see this being fixed till at least tomorrow.
or even a couple days....
Posted by cassity on :
Don't you think it's a LITTLE strange that we are not on this list! I hope someone gets in serious trouble over this.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: scotty's platform is down.....????? Froze
yep....
My Scotty is up
Posted by Chartwalker on :
what is the current price???
Posted by djg7 on :
1.76 x 1.77
Posted by bigstocks on :
1.77
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
ive got 1.77 but my etrade streamer doesnt seem to be updating anymore either.
Ahhh there its working 1.79
Posted by LincolnSqueezer on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: Don't you think it's a LITTLE strange that we are not on this list! I hope someone gets in serious trouble over this.
Thats of the 17th. I think our E date is the 18th.
Posted by betting babe on :
btw wally thats what i told him too
and no follow-thru form 4 was sold so... id do the same!
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: It's an individual. Seeing it through a 144 makes me believe that these were formerly restricted shares. More than likely he has been holding these for quite some time and probably pay pennies for them. This was right after the notice of late filing. The only one that can explain it is ther person themself. However, if he had it since pennies and now stood to cash out at $187K hey who can realy blame him.
Just my take on it.
GLTA Wally
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: scotty's platform is down.....????? Froze
It was doing that to me all morning - had to keep reloading it to get updated values - still has a delay sometimes but working pretty good now.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Well I'm glad I sold yesterday, esp since I will still receive my "free" shares.
With the symbol change I cannot update to see current RSI on stockcharts however with the way things are going I think I'll be safe buying back later toward the end of the month.
Anyone know the current RSI?
Posted by RichBy26 on :
I use alpha trade, mine are working fine. we're at 1.82
Posted by bigstocks on :
Looks like alot of buying to me now. JMHO
Posted by RichBy26 on :
1.83 x 1.84
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Yea, looks like the bleeding has stopped for now. Creeping back up a bit
Posted by Chartwalker on :
ok, back up Posted by mo-rydr on :
Just a thought... the MM's etc. probably went to the SEC to cry FOUL on the way Rufus filed the 10-K's, maybe they are trying to force him to make some kind of deal to extend or change the qualifying date for the Threshold Shares.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Okay, with this drop this morning, I was thinking about getting in, but what's the deal here?
Seems like from what everyone is saying, the book value AFTER the dividend/forward split/whatever will be $11/share.
So that would be the equivalent of $77/share right now, correct?
So is the correct thinking that this will go from $1.80ish to $77? And if so, would it happen if/when the transition to NASDAQ is announced, or before then? Why wouldn't the price be going up like crazy yet? What am I missing?
Posted by wallymac on :
OK, if you look at the list on OTCBB there are a large number of companies that received "E"'s today. If you check them against the list of delinquent companies you will see that somebody forgot to do their job.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Thanks Board!!
Posted by thedoctor on :
Is anyone interested in tut's last two posts ?
Posted by ClayN on :
Dear Investor:
Thank you for your email. The symbol change of CSHD to CHSDE was done by the exchange and not by Scottrade. The stock is currently trading under the symbol CSHDE. Once we are notified by the exchange that the symbol has been changed back to CSHD we will update the symbol on our end.
Please let us know if you have any additional questions.
Sincerely, Matt R. Scottrade Financial Services, Inc.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Is anyone interested in tut's last two posts ?
Check the 18th...are we on that one?
Posted by thedoctor on :
Originally Posted by tutankhamen Let me tell you something! If this does by "accident" ( or by someones's design) show an "E" I will say the same thing as Rufus said, "Buy the crap out of it" because if there is an "E", right after it is removed because of the bureaucratic error, it will jump up automatically. Bingo, Instant profit! Use your "steet smarts". Shove the shorts even down deeper into the cobras open jaws.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Is anyone interested in tut's last two posts ?
I'm always interested in his posts...even though we know he is just another investor like us, he does seem to have a little fairy sitting on his shoulder making me feel better....
Posted by new2stocks on :
test
Posted by RichBy26 on :
FWI...SIGA on CNBC next, taling about the pps jump over their PR
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Just a thought... the MM's etc. probably went to the SEC to cry FOUL on the way Rufus filed the 10-K's, maybe they are trying to force him to make some kind of deal to extend or change the qualifying date for the Threshold Shares.
I thought about this theory as well. What is the ruling when a 10-K is filed on the last day and then an ammendment is filed the next day? Does the ammendment date become the file date?
Posted by TimW on :
My broker, BOA, shows no changes today on CSHD and CSHDE is an invalid symbol..
Hm
oops only in half the system.. now it shows in the regular quote area...
1.87
Posted by St. Matthew on :
This is the one I am interested in. He is probably asleep now.
Today, 03:00 AM #5846 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Tomorrow, or should I say sometime today you are going to hear probably the most important message I have ever sent. You are all on to something the likes of which I know for a fact you will never see again. What I have to say will change your lives forever for the better and I want to share it with everyone of you. It may be my last message you will ever need. Is that a clue? Until then I will say this. Hold strong because you are at the very gates of victory, no matter how or what you may think. You are too close now. Hold strong!
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Is anyone interested in tut's last two posts ?
I think King Tut is full of horse sh!t.
My question that still wasn't answered from yesterday is why would anyone buy into this stock knowing that 6 extra shares per 1 share will be on the market the beg of Nov. How does this increase share value when some folks will be selling those shares for guranteed profit?
Also I do not trust to leave in shareholder hands and will not. Folks will take profit and I'd hate to be there with extra shares and lower pps.
This is the first slow day of many to come, esp with the extra shares coming out.
I guess for now I will be without...... cause why hold when I already have the "free" shares coming to me. Protect your capital!!!
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Is anyone interested in tut's last two posts ?
All of the tut-eister's posts from last evening are on page 105 of this thread....it's kind of long, so I'm not bumping it.....
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: test
LMAO!!
No you aren't banned!!! ha ha ~~
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: This is the one I am interested in. He is probably asleep now.
Today, 03:00 AM #5846 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 304 Tomorrow, or should I say sometime today you are going to hear probably the most important message I have ever sent. You are all on to something the likes of which I know for a fact you will never see again. What I have to say will change your lives forever for the better and I want to share it with everyone of you. It may be my last message you will ever need. Is that a clue? Until then I will say this. Hold strong because you are at the very gates of victory, no matter how or what you may think. You are too close now. Hold strong!
Yeah - I read that one earlier - if it is anything like Monday's bombshell after hours, I am all ears...
I've been composing my resignation letter in my mind just for fun - not likely going to happen, but man, do I feel better - LOL!
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Sherri can you send me a copy of that letter so i can just change the name and use it too? Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: OK, if you look at the list on OTCBB there are a large number of companies that received "E"'s today. If you check them against the list of delinquent companies you will see that somebody forgot to do their job.
GLTA Wally
Wally...do you have a link for us?
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Is anyone interested in tut's last two posts ?
I think King Tut is full of horse sh!t.
My question that still wasn't answered from yesterday is why would anyone buy into this stock knowing that 6 extra shares per 1 share will be on the market the beg of Nov. How does this increase share value when some folks will be selling those shares for guranteed profit?
Also I do not trust to leave in shareholder hands and will not. Folks will take profit and I'd hate to be there with extra shares and lower pps.
This is the first slow day of many to come, esp with the extra shares coming out.
I guess for now I will be without...... cause why hold when I already have the "free" shares coming to me. Protect your capital!!!
I answered you money. Because even with the shares in the market their book value is almost $12. Wouldn't you buy a company at $2 that is worth $12? This company will be listed on a higher exchange VERY soon, so that will also add just a little incentive. JMO
Posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer on :
Well, fortunately for me its about 5pm here now so ill be heading out of the office and on to a pub.
I hope we dont add anymore letters to our symbol while im gone!! j/k Posted by ClayN on :
CSHD/E=BS
quote:Originally posted by Mr. CATIAEngineer: Well, fortunately for me its about 5pm here now so ill be heading out of the office and on to a pub.
I hope we dont add anymore letters to our symbol while im gone!! j/k
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
but cassity, the book value has been $7 dollars a share for a LONG time. I don't see how the book value really has any meaning when its never been touched before.
Posted by bigstocks on :
Cassity wrote: I answered you money. Because even with the shares in the market their book value is almost $12. Wouldn't you buy a company at $2 that is worth $12? This company will be listed on a higher exchange VERY soon, so that will also add just a little incentive. JMO
Was going to say the same thing.
Posted by klondike on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Is anyone interested in tut's last two posts ?
No
Posted by Chartwalker on :
moneyx3
Even with the new shares the book is over $11 a share. And I think it'll hold up better then jumping the price to $15, JMO ~
Now that's at the EOM, alot of things can happen till then and Rufus told us to watch the wires when he was talking about the NAZ, so with that news and the deals that are already signed and will be on the upcoming 10q I feel good about holding.
Don't think Rufus knows that if nothing happens alot of people will be selling those shares?
Of course he does!
I'm waiting to see what's going to comeout next, and it'll be after hours I bet so flippers will have to chase it, that seems to be his MO.
-my 2 cents ~
Posted by cassity on :
Nothing but buys, left and right! This is incredible people!
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: but cassity, the book value has been $7 dollars a share for a LONG time. I don't see how the book value really has any meaning when its never been touched before.
It doesn't matter what the company does, as long as we are on the POS OTCBB, the mm's control EVERYTHING! That will change very soon! IMO Posted by RyanPBF on :
hey doc good job calling the sec. By now there's now doubt that everyone at cshd has to know about the "E" now we just have to wait and see what happens
Posted by thedoctor on :
I am through to the company ..... No one is there except Mitch and his phone is on recording. The operator told me that her lines are xploding with calls regarding the E problem. I told her I was calling for many shareholders. She understood and said all were out of the office except Mitch, who is busy doing something else. Not really what I was looking for.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: OK, if you look at the list on OTCBB there are a large number of companies that received "E"'s today. If you check them against the list of delinquent companies you will see that somebody forgot to do their job.
On the left hand side click on Delinquent companies it's a PDF file.
GLTA Wally
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Again, of what significance is the "book value" when pps has never reached it before? If history repeats itself it'll never reach book value at $12.
RPH has done a great job with investors and even has some that have placed all their eggs into one basket. I worry for those folks.
Posted by PCola77 on :
Repost. can someone help me out:
Okay, with this drop this morning, I was thinking about getting in, but what's the deal here?
Seems like from what everyone is saying, the book value AFTER the dividend/forward split/whatever will be $11/share.
So that would be the equivalent of $77/share right now, correct?
So is the correct thinking that this will go from $1.80ish to $77? And if so, would it happen if/when the transition to NASDAQ is announced, or before then? Why wouldn't the price be going up like crazy yet? What am I missing?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
And even with the "E" we hold strong (PPS)
that says alot right there!!
Can't wait for the next PR!!! They are always MEATY!!!!
Muh hu ha ha ~~~~~~ Posted by klondike on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: but cassity, the book value has been $7 dollars a share for a LONG time. I don't see how the book value really has any meaning when its never been touched before.
It doesn't matter what the company does, as long as we are on the POS OTCBB, the mm's control EVERYTHING! That will change very soon! IMO
Exactly.
Posted by liquidmetal on :
What I don't like is the website is down as well as this E.....I hope they PR quick Either way I am in all the way still how can anyone back out at this point.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Repost. can someone help me out:
Okay, with this drop this morning, I was thinking about getting in, but what's the deal here?
Seems like from what everyone is saying, the book value AFTER the dividend/forward split/whatever will be $11/share.
So that would be the equivalent of $77/share right now, correct?
So is the correct thinking that this will go from $1.80ish to $77? And if so, would it happen if/when the transition to NASDAQ is announced, or before then? Why wouldn't the price be going up like crazy yet? What am I missing?
I believe Rufus said that the book is like $70 now, AFTER the new shares it would be $11+ per share.
And you can bet the all planning Rufus will have some PR (NAZ) to show us before we get the shares to keep everyone from selling...
Just like now, MOST investors KNOW what they have, that is why we have such LOW volume today ever with something as negative as a "E"!!
Cause informed investors KNOW what they have here...
MO ~
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I wonder if the otcbb screwed up and went off of the filing of the 10-ka which was yesterday. And as of yesterday the 10-k would've been late.
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: I am through to the company ..... No one is there except Mitch and his phone is on recording. The operator told me that her lines are xploding with calls regarding the E problem. I told her I was calling for many shareholders. She understood and said all were out of the office except Mitch, who is busy doing something else. Not really what I was looking for.
Tells me everyone is hard at work trying to straighten this out.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Again, of what significance is the "book value" when pps has never reached it before? If history repeats itself it'll never reach book value at $12.
RPH has done a great job with investors and even has some that have placed all their eggs into one basket. I worry for those folks.
Posted by RichBy26 on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: I am through to the company ..... No one is there except Mitch and his phone is on recording. The operator told me that her lines are xploding with calls regarding the E problem. I told her I was calling for many shareholders. She understood and said all were out of the office except Mitch, who is busy doing something else. Not really what I was looking for.
I would not worry doc, they were also not available the last time we everyone panicked and called over the 10K. Look at what happend right after that!!! Everything will be fine...
Posted by JHenry on :
I'm not selling any of my shares. I am still not convinced that the 16th was the last day to buy for the 1+6. I think it still has to be filed and listed on the OTCBB divy/splits list. If the filing comes out and lists the 16th as the Record Date and lets say for example Thursday 10/26 for the Ex-Date and you don't own shares at the end of the day on the 25th - well sorry charlie your not getting 1+6 - I don't care what the PR says.
And, if they filed the divy/split with an Ex-Date of today if you did not own shares at the end of the day yesterday on 10/17 then you would definitely not be getting the 1+6 shares on the 30th - sorry I'm holding.
That could be another test for the longs - just my 2 cents!
Posted by wallymac on :
OK take a look at AMXGE, Should be AMXG. They also filed their 10K on Monday and should not have received the "E" yet it's there. There are many other similar companies. Like I said before this appears to be an error. The reason for the error I am sure will be highly controversial.
GLTA Wally
Posted by djg7 on :
PCola, check out the 10K. This stock has been manipulated by MMs for a long time. Heavy short squeeze coming. Read through the previous posts and that may help you on your decision. Good luck.
Posted by Sandusky on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I wonder if the otcbb screwed up and went off of the filing of the 10-ka which was yesterday. And as of yesterday the 10-k would've been late.
If he did that on purpose (which I think he did) he should have filed the first on Friday, let the pps tank all day Monday, and filed the second late in the day Monday. We'd all be getting 10 or 12 extra shares instead of 6 (if we didn't chicken out). Oh well...
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by JHenry: I'm not selling any of my shares. I am still not convinced that the 16th was the last day to buy for the 1+6. I think it still has to be filed and listed on the OTCBB divy/splits list. If the filing comes out and lists the 16th as the Record Date and lets say for example Thursday 10/26 for the Ex-Date and you don't own shares at the end of the day on the 25th - well sorry charlie your not getting 1+6 - I don't care what the PR says.
And, if they filed the divy/split with an Ex-Date of today if you did not own shares at the end of the day yesterday on 10/17 then you would definitely not be getting the 1+6 shares on the 30th - sorry I'm holding.
That could be another test for the longs - just my 2 cents!
Due Bills Attatched was stated!!!
Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr: Just a thought... the MM's etc. probably went to the SEC to cry FOUL on the way Rufus filed the 10-K's, maybe they are trying to force him to make some kind of deal to extend or change the qualifying date for the Threshold Shares.
yea i read about this on ihub a really good post by some guy big-(something) anyway point is he said there were rules about dividends. call it a dividend because only owners as of a certain date get the shares allegedly. but the problem is rufus was suppose to notify the market 10 days prior. HE DIDNT> therefore theres a chance the october 16th record date wont fly....=)
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: Again, of what significance is the "book value" when pps has never reached it before? If history repeats itself it'll never reach book value at $12.
RPH has done a great job with investors and even has some that have placed all their eggs into one basket. I worry for those folks.
The turning point will be going to the NAZ.. That's why the book value is so important, can't get there with a wimpy book value And then it's 24 hours for shorts to cover, end of story.
-get it?
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by wallymac: OK take a look at AMXGE, Should be AMXG. They also filed their 10K on Monday and should not have received the "E" yet it's there. There are many other similar companies. Like I said before this appears to be an error. The reason for the error I am sure will be highly controversial.
GLTA Wally
yes this play has had just about everything we can think of and a few extra twists too...
i was comparing it to a Grisham Novel yesterday?
today? i think Stephen King is closer
Posted by PCola77 on :
I'm still not getting it. Why isn't the price going up then, if basically the share price should be at $70+? Basically my question is, all of the shareholders know the price should be $70, but others haven't realized it yet? And if it should be $11 after the split, why aren't people still adding more yesterday and today, or new people buying like crazy for a potential 6 bagger from here?
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Repost. can someone help me out:
Okay, with this drop this morning, I was thinking about getting in, but what's the deal here?
Seems like from what everyone is saying, the book value AFTER the dividend/forward split/whatever will be $11/share.
So that would be the equivalent of $77/share right now, correct?
So is the correct thinking that this will go from $1.80ish to $77? And if so, would it happen if/when the transition to NASDAQ is announced, or before then? Why wouldn't the price be going up like crazy yet? What am I missing?
I believe Rufus said that the book is like $70 now, AFTER the new shares it would be $11+ per share.
And you can bet the all planning Rufus will have some PR (NAZ) to show us before we get the shares to keep everyone from selling...
Just like now, MOST investors KNOW what they have, that is why we have such LOW volume today ever with something as negative as a "E"!!
Cause informed investors KNOW what they have here...
MO ~
Posted by Chartwalker on :
no kidding glass...
Don't think we could write one better then truth!
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I think this case would stump Sherlock Holmes.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: Again, of what significance is the "book value" when pps has never reached it before? If history repeats itself it'll never reach book value at $12.
RPH has done a great job with investors and even has some that have placed all their eggs into one basket. I worry for those folks.
The turning point will be going to the NAZ.. That's why the book value is so important, can't get there with a wimpy book value And then it's 24 hours for shorts to cover, end of story.
-get it?
Oh, sure I get it. Where's the $7 dollar pps NOW? get it?
And JHenry, this is not a "dividend/split".
Posted by cassity on :
NOT A DIVIDEND! NOT A DIVIDEND! THEY DO NOT HAVE TO FOLLOW THOSE SAME RULES! We can stay and argue all day about it, but in the end the company has always done things right. Rufus said they have a securities lawyer, so wouldn't you think he/they might know a little more than us. I'll take their word for it. GLTA
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: I'm still not getting it. Why isn't the price going up then, if basically the share price should be at $70+? Basically my question is, all of the shareholders know the price should be $70, but others haven't realized it yet? And if it should be $11 after the split, why aren't people still adding more yesterday and today, or new people buying like crazy for a potential 6 bagger from here?
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Repost. can someone help me out:
Okay, with this drop this morning, I was thinking about getting in, but what's the deal here?
Seems like from what everyone is saying, the book value AFTER the dividend/forward split/whatever will be $11/share.
So that would be the equivalent of $77/share right now, correct?
So is the correct thinking that this will go from $1.80ish to $77? And if so, would it happen if/when the transition to NASDAQ is announced, or before then? Why wouldn't the price be going up like crazy yet? What am I missing?
I believe Rufus said that the book is like $70 now, AFTER the new shares it would be $11+ per share.
And you can bet the all planning Rufus will have some PR (NAZ) to show us before we get the shares to keep everyone from selling...
Just like now, MOST investors KNOW what they have, that is why we have such LOW volume today ever with something as negative as a "E"!!
Cause informed investors KNOW what they have here...
MO ~
People DID buy in like dogs! The MM's sold Millions of FAKE (Naked Shorts) to them and kept our price down because we believe a Hedge Fund or two were shorting the crap out of us, Rufus declared WAR on them issueing a PUBLIC statement to TDA which was never answered.
TDA applied for a loan and was denied also!
Domino's are falling as Rufus said....
BIG MONEY here is still very much in the game!
Rufus will have won when we go to the NAZ, books need to be balanced then ~
If you can't see that a Asset portfolio that has 7 BILLION dollars in it is no penny stock, then don't buy in...
I'm LONG cause sooner or later the TRUTH will be shown to all, and CSHD will come of age and share holders will make a ton of cash.
That's what I think... Posted by PCola77 on :
Okay so the assumption is that once this goes to the NASDAQ, then peole will recognize the book value and this will go up 4200%+? Seems like that's asking a lot.
I may buy a little just in case, but it seems like asking for a 40+ bagger from here is a bit optomistic, to put it nicely.
Posted by bigstocks on :
Why do people keep saying the website is down? Its so easy to check.
Posted by betting babe on :
so, why arent my level 2s working for CSHD on TDAm?
nor my quotes?
Posted by trade04 on :
I'm with this guy, he just knows his stuff more. but i knew therew was a loop hole =) now FOR SURE im holding and not selling...who knows hell PROBABLY HAVE To make the new record date october 26th =) and i wont be selling anytime before that cuz i want my extra shares...its stupid he would make us wait this long (way overdue imo) then do something like this? give me a break if someoneone wasnt in on monday because should NOT have anything to do with record date...yea yea yea its to see who the real longs are... GIVE ME A FRIGGIN BREAK. 85% OF LONGS have traded/flipped/ and sold this. it just so happens they were in that day....whatever rufus is dead to me lol
Posted by: Jim Bishop In reply to: lesnshawn who wrote msg# 102274 Date:10/17/2006 10:56:05 AM Post #of 103839
Buckey not the only one that understands it. Many of us do, and make decent money when companies screw these things up by not understanding the rules.
Unless Rufus has some new trick, under Rule 10b-17 he has to advise NASD 10 days prior to the record date involved, then NASD or Nasdaq set the ex dividend date, due bills redeemable date etc and they are posted on the Daily List. If he didn't do so 10 days ago, that Oct 16th record date probably won't fly.
Record date is really meaningless to all but the T/A for his mailing list unless the stock "is not quoted ex" in which case the record date can become the effective ex date.
As long as you own it by the close the day before the ex date, you get the split or dividend or whatever it is. Settlement dates don't enter into the picture. You can buy day before Ex date, sell on Ex date and get the split/divvy.
SEC Rule 10b-17
10b-17 Untimely Announcements of Record Dates
It shall constitute a "manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance" as used in Section 10(b) of the Act for any issuer of a class of securities publicly traded by the use of any means or instrumentality of interstate commerce or of the mails or of any facility of any national securities exchange to fail to give notice in accordance with paragraph (b) hereof of the following actions relating to such class of securities:
A dividend or other distribution in cash or in kind, except an ordinary interest payment on a debt security, but including a dividend or distribution of any security of the same or another issuer;
A stock split or reverse split; or
A rights or other subscription offering.
Notice shall be deemed to have been given in accordance with this section only if:
Given to the National Association of Securities Dealers, Inc., no later than 10 [calendar] days prior to the record date involved or, in case of a rights subscription or other offering if such 10 [calendar] days advance notice is not practical, on or before the record date and in no event later than the effective date of the registration statement to which the offering relates, and such notice includes:
Title of the security to which the declaration relates;
Date of declaration;
Date of record for determining holders entitled to receive the dividend or other distribution or to participate in the stock or reverse split;
Date of payment or distribution or, in the case of a stock or reverse split or rights or other subscription offering, the date of delivery;
For a dividend or other distribution including a stock or reverse split or rights or other subscription offering:
In cash, the amount of cash to be paid or distributed per share, except if exact per share cash distributions cannot be given because of existing conversion rights which may be exercised during the notice period and which may affect the per share cash distribution, then a reasonable approximation of the per share distribution may be provided so long as the actual per share distribution is subsequently provided on the record date,
In the same security, the amount of the security outstanding immediately prior to and immediately following the dividend or distribution and the rate of the dividend or distribution,
In any other security of the same issuer, the amount to be paid or distributed and the rate of the dividend or distribution,
In any security of another issuer, the name of the issuer and title of that security, the amount to be paid or distributed, and the rate of the dividend or distribution and if that security is a right or a warrant, the subscription price,
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Method of settlement of fractional interests;
Details of any condition which must be satisfied or Government approval which must be secured to enable payment of distribution; and in
The case of stock or reverse split in addition to the aforementioned information;
The name and address of the transfer or exchange agent; or
The Commission, upon written request or upon its own motion, exempts the issuer from compliance with paragraph (b)(1) of this section either unconditionally or on specified terms or conditions, as not constituting a manipulative or deceptive device or contrivance comprehended within the purpose of this section; or
Given in accordance with procedures of the national securities exchange or exchanges upon which a security of such issuer is registered pursuant to Section 12 of the Act which contain requirements substantially comparable to those set forth in paragraph (b)(1) of this section.
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Posted by betting babe on :
because quote media on the CVSU website says volume = 0
that's down in my book.
and it does glitch a lot, which is prob what everyone is referring to.
im sure itll all clear up when they fix the EEEEEEEEEEEEEk
~BB
quote:Originally posted by bigstocks: Why do people keep saying the website is down? Its so easy to check.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: so, why arent my level 2s working for CSHD on TDAm?
nor my quotes?
Try CSHDE
Posted by bigstocks on :
BB cause its CSHDE
Posted by SLIMPICKENS on :
money x 3 due some research and if you want it, buy it, if you don't, move on. either you take a chance and believe in the company or your research shows you it is too great a risk. everyone has tried to answer your questions and you don't like the answers so look into it yourself or move on to some other stock that the pps is already matching the value and try to make money there. either way good luck
Posted by betting babe on :
duh. rite. i did it on yahoo, but not in TDAm. heah. model moment
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: because quote media on the CVSU website says volume = 0
that's down in my book.
and it does glitch a lot, which is prob what everyone is referring to.
im sure itll all clear up when they fix the EEEEEEEEEEEEEk
~BB
quote:Originally posted by bigstocks: Why do people keep saying the website is down? Its so easy to check.
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: so, why arent my level 2s working for CSHD on TDAm?
nor my quotes?
BB.....You have to add the E
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: so, why arent my level 2s working for CSHD on TDAm?
nor my quotes?
CSHDE good morning BB add an E and don't worreeee
Posted by trade04 on :
so i THINK you can still buy now and get the shares buahahahha
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by SLIMPICKENS: money x 3 due some research and if you want it, buy it, if you don't, move on. either you take a chance and believe in the company or your research shows you it is too great a risk. everyone has tried to answer your questions and you don't like the answers so look into it yourself or move on to some other stock that the pps is already matching the value and try to make money there. either way good luck
LOL. I own it..... And have been here for a good while! I don't have to believe in it to make money....
There are no answers. The book value is $7 bucks. Since you seem to have done your research before telling me to do mine, why hasn't it ever reached that price per share!?? So how is the $12 pps any different?
Posted by JHenry on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney: Again, of what significance is the "book value" when pps has never reached it before? If history repeats itself it'll never reach book value at $12.
RPH has done a great job with investors and even has some that have placed all their eggs into one basket. I worry for those folks.
The turning point will be going to the NAZ.. That's why the book value is so important, can't get there with a wimpy book value And then it's 24 hours for shorts to cover, end of story.
-get it?
Oh, sure I get it. Where's the $7 dollar pps NOW? get it?
And JHenry, this is not a "dividend/split".
If Rufus doesn't have to file this with OTCBB - we'll then I am wrong.
Posted by SLIMPICKENS on :
sell sell sell
Posted by bigstocks on :
Thanks BB.
Posted by CRab on :
The crazy thing about this is... technically this should be trading at 2x to 5x that $70 number...and in the interview with Rufus...they have another $8B lined up doubling the price again...
Market manipulation is the only reason we aren't higher...the company has given us NO indication that they are lying about what they are capable of...I mean come on...a 10KSB is released saying they are going to issue everyone 6 extra shares and we tank .50 in fifteen minutes...does anyone honestly believe that is because of supply and demand?
The fact that we got that E today we are down less than 10% from close yesterday says alot and makes this stronger still...
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: I'm still not getting it. Why isn't the price going up then, if basically the share price should be at $70+? Basically my question is, all of the shareholders know the price should be $70, but others haven't realized it yet? And if it should be $11 after the split, why aren't people still adding more yesterday and today, or new people buying like crazy for a potential 6 bagger from here?
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77:
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Okay so the assumption is that once this goes to the NASDAQ, then peole will recognize the book value and this will go up 4200%+? Seems like that's asking a lot.
I may buy a little just in case, but it seems like asking for a 40+ bagger from here is a bit optomistic, to put it nicely.
Yeah well we didn't expect it to hit $4.00 when the 52 week low was $0.04 either but it did. I think you should read a little more before you spend the commissions to "buy a little just in case." Make sure it is what you wnat to do on your own. You should never buy based on information from a stock board.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by SLIMPICKENS: sell sell sell
You are one that I hope has all your life saving into it Posted by Chartwalker on :
moneyx3, -that was my point...
DON'T expect to get justice here on the OTC, NAZ will be the final judge and jury....
If you believe this, you are a shareholder, if not, great, move on, it's cool.
Million penny's outthere.... -But NOT with 7 Billion dollars in an Asset Portfolio
GLTY!
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by SLIMPICKENS: sell sell sell
ok Cramer
LMAO
Posted by thedoctor on :
Is there a way to put someone on my ignore list ?
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by fhalyesss: No matter how many beatings this stock gets it justs keeps getting back up!
CSHD : The Rocky Balboa of stocks!!!
I love this statement. Did you guys no a NEW Rocky movie is coming out?
I think Rufus is an extra.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
[from another Board]
The cshd symbol in my ETRADE portfolio reads 21254V100. And cshd is trading as cshde...the "E" donotes a late filing. I contacted the SEC Division of Market Regulation, Office of Interpretation and Guidance: (202)551-5777 and the SEC Investor Assistance and Complaints: (202)551-6551. I received the same response: CSHD filed the 10-KSB on time and should not be trading as CSHDE.
Thank you for sending E*TRADE a message regarding your position of CSHD. I apologize for any inconvenience or confusion concerning this matter.
Conversion Solutions recently filed their paperwork; they were delinquent in their required SEC filings. They filed paperwork on 10/16/2006 and your portfolio should be automatically updated within 1-2 business days.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Is there a way to put someone on my ignore list ?
Only if you don't want them to pm you
Posted by PCola77 on :
Fair enough. But I can't say I'd be worried about the $5 commision so much as the principle, but that's semantics, I think. You're probably right though, this one's not for me. If it seems too good to be true, it probably is.
quote:Originally posted by TaxBack04:
quote:Originally posted by PCola77: Okay so the assumption is that once this goes to the NASDAQ, then peole will recognize the book value and this will go up 4200%+? Seems like that's asking a lot.
I may buy a little just in case, but it seems like asking for a 40+ bagger from here is a bit optomistic, to put it nicely.
Yeah well we didn't expect it to hit $4.00 when the 52 week low was $0.04 either but it did. I think you should read a little more before you spend the commissions to "buy a little just in case." Make sure it is what you wnat to do on your own. You should never buy based on information from a stock board.
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Is there a way to put someone on my ignore list ?
Only if you don't want them to pm you
Thanks
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Is there a way to put someone on my ignore list ?
no....
but you can just scan over them... repsonses just encourage more. etc.etc...
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: moneyx3, -that was my point...
DON'T expect to get justice here on the OTC, NAZ will be the final judge and jury....
If you believe this, you are a shareholder, if not, great, move on, it's cool.
Million penny's outthere.... -But NOT with 7 Billion dollars in an Asset Portfolio
GLTY!
Chart they do have 7 bill to LOAN, not in ASSETS that is the companies. Otherwise we would be at 7 bucks a share, the OLD book "value" and already on Nasdaq.
Anyway, I don't want to sell my last 262 shares. I will hold them so I can come back and speak my mind..... I have placed my money in the pot so I'll do and speak as I wish!
I've got to get some studying done so good luck all and I'll be looking to sell ASAP when I get my free shares. Profit is profit.
Posted by thesource on :
Anyone seeing any trades ?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: moneyx3, -that was my point...
DON'T expect to get justice here on the OTC, NAZ will be the final judge and jury....
If you believe this, you are a shareholder, if not, great, move on, it's cool.
Million penny's outthere.... -But NOT with 7 Billion dollars in an Asset Portfolio
GLTY!
Chart they do have 7 bill to LOAN, not in ASSETS that is the companies. Otherwise we would be at 7 bucks a share, the OLD book "value" and already on Nasdaq.
Anyway, I don't want to sell my last 262 shares. I will hold them so I can come back and speak my mind..... I have placed my money in the pot so I'll do and speak as I wish!
I've got to get some studying done so good luck all and I'll be looking to sell ASAP when I get my free shares. Profit is profit.
It says ASSET in the PR.... Read for yourself. They do OWN the bonds, you know that right?..
With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has
""an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22.""
So I guess we can agree to disagree I'm cool with that ~ Peace Posted by Goodones on :
Here is my take on what is going to happen. The 10k states if the closing price is below $15 on Oct.30th share holders as of Oct.16th will recieve 6 shares for every one they have. This is not going to happen. The line from the 10k about share holders as of Oct.16th was put there to keep current holders from selling. And if current holders hold tight, the short squeeze will easily push the PPS over $15. No shares will be needed. The L2s today show how desperate the MMs are. All we have to do is sit on what we have and let the magic happen.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
FWIW.....
thegryfus HSM Regular
Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 466 As yesterday I was pretty convinced that we were going to get an E because of the technicality that I told you about, now I'm pretty sure that tomorrow we are going back to CSHD.
Just go the the Nasdaq site: today it says that CSHDE is not a valid symbol, while yesterday at this time it was valid.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Has anyone seen if they can sell? Some brokers take there time on getting the shares available to sell...perhaps that is why the volume is lower...and if that's the case and peeps can't sell becuase the E isn't on yet? where's the volume coming from?
quote:Originally posted by thesource: Anyone seeing any trades ?
Posted by klondike on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: People DID buy in like dogs! The MM's sold Millions of FAKE (Naked Shorts) to them and kept our price down because we believe a Hedge Fund or two were shorting the crap out of us, Rufus declared WAR on them issueing a PUBLIC statement to TDA which was never answered.
TDA applied for a loan and was denied also!
Domino's are falling as Rufus said....
BIG MONEY here is still very much in the game!
Rufus will have won when we go to the NAZ, books need to be balanced then ~
If you can't see that a Asset portfolio that has 7 BILLION dollars in it is no penny stock, then don't buy in...
I'm LONG cause sooner or later the TRUTH will be shown to all, and CSHD will come of age and share holders will make a ton of cash.
That's what I think...
AMEN!!!
All kidding aside. This post conveys my thoughts exactly.
Posted by CRab on :
the land of the sock drawer knomes?
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Has anyone seen if they can sell? Some brokers take there time on getting the shares available to sell...perhaps that is why the volume is lower...and if that's the case and peeps can't sell becuase the E isn't on yet? where's the volume coming from?
Posted by St. Matthew on :
FWIW...they DO own the bonds. Sabra told me that during a phone call last week. In exchange, the former owner will receive shares in the JV's that are funded by the bond. Bonds acquisition is her baby...Rufus even said that.
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by MoneyMoneyMoney:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: moneyx3, -that was my point...
DON'T expect to get justice here on the OTC, NAZ will be the final judge and jury....
If you believe this, you are a shareholder, if not, great, move on, it's cool.
Million penny's outthere.... -But NOT with 7 Billion dollars in an Asset Portfolio
GLTY!
Chart they do have 7 bill to LOAN, not in ASSETS that is the companies. Otherwise we would be at 7 bucks a share, the OLD book "value" and already on Nasdaq.
Anyway, I don't want to sell my last 262 shares. I will hold them so I can come back and speak my mind..... I have placed my money in the pot so I'll do and speak as I wish!
I've got to get some studying done so good luck all and I'll be looking to sell ASAP when I get my free shares. Profit is profit.
It says ASSET in the PR.... Read for yourself. They do OWN the bonds, you know that right?..
With the addition of the Lehman Brothers Holdings PLC Bonds of $450,000,000 Euro ($564,092,494.32 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm), the Republic of Finland Sovereign Bonds of $749,000,000 Euro ($939,000,348.90 USD as of October 16, 2006 at 7:26 pm) and the Contract expansion with the Caracas Group of $5,000,000,000 USD the corporation currently has
""an asset portfolio of $7,292,601,135.22.""
So I guess we can agree to disagree I'm cool with that ~ Peace
FWIW...they DO own the bonds. Sabra told me that during a phone call last week. In exchange, the former owner will receive shares in the JV's that are funded by the bond. Bonds acquisition is her baby...Rufus even said that.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
[cut and paste]
According to Angela at the OTCBB the Auditor's opinion letter is missing from the 10K, that is why it was flagged. The letter is included in the 8K and referenced in the 10K but OTCBB wants the letter in the 10K for compliance. As soon as the 10K is amended this will be taken care of.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
who did rufus say denied ameritrade a loan yesterday. I'm trying to find anything about it on the web
Posted by Igor R on :
Can anyone summarize the last 6 or so pages, sitting in class and kinda lazy to read them lol.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: who did rufus say denied ameritrade a loan yesterday. I'm trying to find anything about it on the web
Didn't, but he said that it is "FACT"
-used capital letters, and Rufus doesn't BS so it must be true.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: who did rufus say denied ameritrade a loan yesterday. I'm trying to find anything about it on the web
I don't think he said who denied the loan.
Posted by CRab on :
thats not the kind of stuff they PR Ryan...
FWIW, I looked and looked yesterday to see if I could get a why and a how but came up empty handed...
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
Any Nasdaq hope now with an E attached?
Posted by cool AZ on :
betting babe Member
Member Rated: posted 10-18-2006 11:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- duh. rite. i did it on yahoo, but not in TDAm. heah. model moment
It's a "mm" thing huh bb? LOL!! BTW, how's the new addition doing? ... poddy trained yet?
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Chart....can you provide the source for this? i.e. did you call yourself? Thanks
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: [cut and paste]
According to Angela at the OTCBB the Auditor's opinion letter is missing from the 10K, that is why it was flagged. The letter is included in the 8K and referenced in the 10K but OTCBB wants the letter in the 10K for compliance. As soon as the 10K is amended this will be taken care of.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: [cut and paste]
According to Angela at the OTCBB the Auditor's opinion letter is missing from the 10K, that is why it was flagged. The letter is included in the 8K and referenced in the 10K but OTCBB wants the letter in the 10K for compliance. As soon as the 10K is amended this will be taken care of.
Thanks Chart...that answers some questions...a little bit ni-picky, but makes sense. Must have been influenced by someone to look for a reason to be nit picky IMO, because I have seen 10-K's that reference 8-K's.
Posted by new2stocks on :
HypoCycloid HSM Newbie
Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 21 My company filed on time, why was an "E" added to our trading symbol? Other possible explanations for an "E" on the trading symbol include: The audit opinion is qualified or was not provided No SAS-100 review was performed (quarterly filings only) The required 302 Certification was not included in the submission to the SEC The required 906 Certification was not included in the submission to the SEC The auditor was not registered with the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board The 404 opinion was not provided The filing header was incorrect. It is essential that the filing type, fiscal year end and period end dates are recorded correctly on both the cover page and the document tags. If the certifications are missing from your filing, NASDAQ will not consider the report to be complete. You must amend your filing to include the certifications. Because the certification relates to the entire Form 10-K or 10-Q filing, the amendment should include the entire filing, not just the signature pages. You should also notify the OTCBB Issuer Filings Department to get the "E" removed. Please see the next FAQ for further instructions.
other board fwiw
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by stocktrader22: Any Nasdaq hope now with an E attached?
I think we've got just as much chance to get listed as before . Whether thats a good thing or not , only time will tell .
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Ok I activated my merril lynch account. Babe or Dog I know you both just went through this. I forgot what are the fee's when selling or buying? Are you guys using your merril account just to house your cshd shares?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: Chart....can you provide the source for this? i.e. did you call yourself? Thanks
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: [cut and paste]
According to Angela at the OTCBB the Auditor's opinion letter is missing from the 10K, that is why it was flagged. The letter is included in the 8K and referenced in the 10K but OTCBB wants the letter in the 10K for compliance. As soon as the 10K is amended this will be taken care of.
you bet!
dplin2001 HSM Addict
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,282 Quote: Originally Posted by TonySoprano According to Angela at the OTCBB the Auditor's opinion letter is missing from the 10K, that is why it was flagged. The letter is included in the 8K and referenced in the 10K but OTCBB wants the letter in the 10K for compliance. As soon as the 10K is amended this will be taken care of. This is a routine change.
This is correct __________________
Posted by thedoctor on :
From HSM.... I just spoke to the otcbb data integrity dept that said they receive the instructions to add an E from otcbb compliance I have left a message with otcbb compliance (301-978-8095) and will let you all know what they say. Meanwhile keep calling. Lets find out why these folks gave the order to append the E. FWIW the E is VERY COMMON in this arena and is removed if the discrepancy is dealt with within 60 days!!! That is at the bottom of the otcbb site delinquency page. If anything its VERY MUCH TEMPORARY so if you have more cash swing away, it should pop back up when its removed which could happen within 24hrs.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Sorry for the repeat
Posted by thesource on :
This thing is trading dead flat ....... almost no volume either .
Posted by RyanPBF on :
Nite just loves to hold this thing down doesn't he.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
LOL...and we are going to belive Tony Soprano???
dplin2001 HSM Addict
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,282 Quote: Originally Posted by TonySoprano According to Angela at the OTCBB the Auditor's opinion letter is missing from the 10K, that is why it was flagged. The letter is included in the 8K and referenced in the 10K but OTCBB wants the letter in the 10K for compliance. As soon as the 10K is amended this will be taken care of. This is a routine change.
This is correct __________________ [/QB][/QUOTE]
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: who did rufus say denied ameritrade a loan yesterday. I'm trying to find anything about it on the web
Smith Barney
I saw earlier that several of you thought he did not specify....that was one detail I paid attention to - now, do we have anyone at Smith Barney that could actually confirm this for us? (And yes, I do realize they won't answer that for a common person....)
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew: LOL...and we are going to belive Tony Soprano???
dplin2001 HSM Addict
Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,282 Quote: Originally Posted by TonySoprano According to Angela at the OTCBB the Auditor's opinion letter is missing from the 10K, that is why it was flagged. The letter is included in the 8K and referenced in the 10K but OTCBB wants the letter in the 10K for compliance. As soon as the 10K is amended this will be taken care of. This is a routine change.
This is correct __________________
[/QB][/QUOTE]
What's the number for the OTCBB? I'll call!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thesource: This thing is trading dead flat ....... almost no volume either .
Beautiful!!!
Means everyone's HOLDING!! ha ha~
Even with an E!! Unbelievable ~
So maybe towrds the EOM we will see this huge squeeze play????
Would be nice to see double digits! Posted by glassman on :
Thomas Benson, C.P.A. Certified Public Accountant 4599 Mistywood Drive Okemos, MI 48864
We hereby consent to the use in Form 10-KSB of our report dated October 15, 2006 relating to the consolidated audited financial statements of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp for its fiscal year ended June 30, 2006, which is incorporated by reference therein.
October 15, 2005
-S- Thomas Benson ____________________
THOMAS BENSON, C.P.A.
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus:
"If they want to dance, we can dance!"
Looks like they want to dance Rufie.
Let them Waltz, you can Krump!!
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: who did rufus say denied ameritrade a loan yesterday. I'm trying to find anything about it on the web
Smith Barney
I saw earlier that several of you thought he did not specify....that was one detail I paid attention to - now, do we have anyone at Smith Barney that could actually confirm this for us? (And yes, I do realize they won't answer that for a common person....)
I reposted on purpose in case you guys missed it since it was at the bottom...
Posted by Vin on :
Sorry it this question's been asked already. I've flipped through a bunch of pages quickly but couldn't find anything on it. Are other people on E-Trade not seeing any activity today? I'm still showing 0 volume and no change in the stock price. The CSHD is gone and replaced with 21254V100.
Thanks all.
Posted by dollar13 on :
my broker said the "E" might be temporary ,he doesnt know how long it might take to clear that off
it might take days or weeks ....
Posted by Jenna on :
Vin- CSHDE.... It's BS.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I thought we had the shares coming???? What are these people below talking about? Thoughts Board?... ------------------------------------------------
posted October 18, 2006 11:47 AMOctober 18, 2006 11:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is my take on what is going to happen. The 10k states if the closing price is below $15 on Oct.30th share holders as of Oct.16th will recieve 6 shares for every one they have. This is not going to happen. The line from the 10k about share holders as of Oct.16th was put there to keep current holders from selling. And if current holders hold tight, the short squeeze will easily push the PPS over $15. No shares will be needed. The L2s today show how desperate the MMs are. All we have to do is sit on what we have and let the magic happen.
That was how I read it too....if it closes over $15.00 then no maigcal shares! But why would the mm's not let it fly then? They don't want to cover if they have to cover 6 more to 1......why don't they just let it go?
Posted by dog on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: who did rufus say denied ameritrade a loan yesterday. I'm trying to find anything about it on the web
Thomas Benson, C.P.A. Certified Public Accountant 4599 Mistywood Drive Okemos, MI 48864
We hereby consent to the use in Form 10-KSB of our report dated October 15, 2006 relating to the consolidated audited financial statements of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp for its fiscal year ended June 30, 2006, which is incorporated by reference therein.
October 15, 2005
-S- Thomas Benson ____________________
THOMAS BENSON, C.P.A.
Great find glassman
Posted by new2stocks on :
Ok I called....had to leave a message, they are very busy. While I was being transfered to voicemail, a message stated that once a request to remove an E is made, it takes up to 2 business days for it to be removed, it cannot be changed during trading hours. FWIW
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I thought we had the shares coming???? What are these people below talking about? Thoughts Board?... ------------------------------------------------
posted October 18, 2006 11:47 AMOctober 18, 2006 11:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is my take on what is going to happen. The 10k states if the closing price is below $15 on Oct.30th share holders as of Oct.16th will recieve 6 shares for every one they have. This is not going to happen. The line from the 10k about share holders as of Oct.16th was put there to keep current holders from selling. And if current holders hold tight, the short squeeze will easily push the PPS over $15. No shares will be needed. The L2s today show how desperate the MMs are. All we have to do is sit on what we have and let the magic happen.
That was how I read it too....if it closes over $15.00 then no maigcal shares! But why would the mm's not let it fly then? They don't want to cover if they have to cover 6 more to 1......why don't they just let it go?
We have shares coming. The original 10K said that the shares depended on the closing price the 30th, blah blah, but the amended one specified the 6 shares, the date, everything...Rufus even told us that specifically. The person that posted was formulating an opinion out of context. IMHO
Posted by RyanPBF on :
well now I think I'm going to wait until the E is removed. before I try and transfer my shares out of TDA
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I thought we had the shares coming???? What are these people below talking about? Thoughts Board?... ------------------------------------------------
posted October 18, 2006 11:47 AMOctober 18, 2006 11:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is my take on what is going to happen. The 10k states if the closing price is below $15 on Oct.30th share holders as of Oct.16th will recieve 6 shares for every one they have. This is not going to happen. The line from the 10k about share holders as of Oct.16th was put there to keep current holders from selling. And if current holders hold tight, the short squeeze will easily push the PPS over $15. No shares will be needed. The L2s today show how desperate the MMs are. All we have to do is sit on what we have and let the magic happen.
That was how I read it too....if it closes over $15.00 then no maigcal shares! But why would the mm's not let it fly then? They don't want to cover if they have to cover 6 more to 1......why don't they just let it go?
Didnt Rufus say on Subpenny that everyone will still get the shares even if it gets to $15 or not. The pr and the 10k both say as of COB on 10.16.2006.
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I thought we had the shares coming???? What are these people below talking about? Thoughts Board?... ------------------------------------------------
posted October 18, 2006 11:47 AMOctober 18, 2006 11:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is my take on what is going to happen. The 10k states if the closing price is below $15 on Oct.30th share holders as of Oct.16th will recieve 6 shares for every one they have. This is not going to happen. The line from the 10k about share holders as of Oct.16th was put there to keep current holders from selling. And if current holders hold tight, the short squeeze will easily push the PPS over $15. No shares will be needed. The L2s today show how desperate the MMs are. All we have to do is sit on what we have and let the magic happen.
That was how I read it too....if it closes over $15.00 then no maigcal shares! But why would the mm's not let it fly then? They don't want to cover if they have to cover 6 more to 1......why don't they just let it go?
Chart....After all the explaining and interpretation that everyone has done, I honestly believe you have to ignore that stuff or you'll go crazy. Thats why I asked about the ignore list.
Posted by glassman on :
Great find glassman
i read a lot of SEC filings...
i do NOT pretend to be an expert on things i am NOT...
some of the "posers" posts i've been reading annoy the heck outa me...
they act like they know things that they obviously don't...
what i am getting at is: that letter may or may not be everything they needed to put in..
it refers to another REPORT, that may be missing..
the 10K has about 100 pages,
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
Hmmm, a clever ploy ? What if the shorts can't cover because of the E and back in the office behind closed doors CSHD is climbing through the roof due to some type of restricted share deal??
Just a scenario to think about the short squeeze (CRUSH).
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Vin- CSHDE.... It's BS.
No, mine doesnt even show that. I'm showing 21254V100, kinda like when we moved from FHAL to CSHD. Plus, my streamer isn't showing anything at all. 0 volume and yesterdays close. Is anyone else having that problem?
Can someone also tell me what the current PPS and volume is?
Thanks.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Thanks SherriT!
That explains it.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: Hmmm, a clever ploy ? What if the shorts can't cover because of the E and back in the office behind closed doors CSHD is climbing through the roof due to some type of restricted share deal??
Just a scenario to think about the short squeeze (CRUSH).
I don't know about that. I like the idea though.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
1.87 vol 616,654
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Vin- CSHDE.... It's BS.
No, mine doesnt even show that. I'm showing 21254V100, kinda like when we moved from FHAL to CSHD. Plus, my streamer isn't showing anything at all. 0 volume and yesterdays close. Is anyone else having that problem?
Can someone also tell me what the current PPS and volume is?
Thanks.
$1.87 618K
Posted by RyanPBF on :
so has tut released his true identity. In the most important post he's put up. I'll say one thing if it's the most important post for us to read he reall thinks highly of himself. I mean this guy could say he's bill gates. are we just supposed to believe him? I can't wait for him to say who he really is.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Chart ....you are much too quick for me .....LOL
Posted by 66inxs on :
glassman
what you found is not an auditors opinion statement. the opinion from fronthaul's 8k filed on 9/26/06 is as follows:
Thomas Benson, C.P.A. Certified Public Accountant 4599 Mistywood Drive Okemos, MI 48864
We have audited the accompanying balance sheet of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. as of June 30, 2006 and the related statements of operations, and stockholders' equity (deficit) and cash flows, for the year ended June 30, 2006.
...[sic]...
In our opinion, the financial statements referred to above present fairly, in all material respects, the financial position of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. as of June 30, 2006 and the results of its operations and its cash flows for the year ended June 30, 2006 in conformity with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America.
-S- Thomas Benson ____________________
THOMAS BENSON, C.P.A.
this is what may be missing from the 10k and the 10ka.
hope this helps
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: so has tut released his true identity. In the most important post he's put up. I'll say one thing if it's the most important post for us to read he reall thinks highly of himself. I mean this guy could say he's bill gates. are we just supposed to believe him? I can't wait for him to say who he really is.
Do you think he ever really will? I have my doubts on that one....
I just want him to keep speculating because he does seem to know enough to be right most occasions. Think about how all of us were pretty nuts on Monday then magically the big news came out about the 6 shares.
I wouldn't trade based on his information by any stretch, but I do pay attention...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: so has tut released his true identity. In the most important post he's put up. I'll say one thing if it's the most important post for us to read he reall thinks highly of himself. I mean this guy could say he's bill gates. are we just supposed to believe him? I can't wait for him to say who he really is.
I still think he's somehow tied with those world banks...
After all they were given "The run down" I'm sure to get them to sign a contract with Rufus.
Fly on the wall? Ex MM???
-I bet we never find out...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
tut is logged in to HSM, no post yet...
FWIW ~
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
HA! Level II's show Nite's at the top of the bid at 1.87. Tying to cover and get the shares first, it looks like!
Posted by Vin on :
Is anyone else having problems with e-trade not showing any transactions at all today?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I try doc ~ Posted by SherriT on :
Chart - are you riding my brain waves today? LOL (or maybe I am riding yours?). I didn't consider the world bank connection though...
Posted by RyanPBF on :
nite's been holding it at 1.87 forever and there's been some volume.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Is anyone else having problems with e-trade not showing any transactions at all today?
I think everyone was having problems today, mine was down at Scotty for a while...
still at 1.87 and vol 621,005
Posted by Vin on :
Thanks Chart, just wanted confirmation that it wasn't just me. Appreciate you taking time to respond.
Posted by new2stocks on :
From Tut
Shareholders I just talked with Ben. The "E" will be off in the morning and I can tell you the company is not too happy and they are getting answers right now how and why this happened and from the sounds of it they may be ready to make the move much quicker than expected because of this. Hold strong because they are now going to take very strong and quick action especially because of this. This has now come down to the point where they will not give the shorts any mercy whatsoever. From my talk with Ben it sounds like they are now going to drop the big bombshell.
Posted by glassman on :
this is what may be missing from the 10k and the 10ka.
hope this helps
inxs? see page 44: the opinion letter should be in that
9.1
The Audited Financials of CSHD are incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act).
the [html][text] link doesn't work for me...
quite frankly? i still think this is a system screw-up.... rufus waited longer than he should have...
the amount of energy some of the "negative" people spend on this thing is astounding...
they really are sad...
Posted by thedoctor on :
Tut
Shareholders I just talked with Ben. The "E" will be off in the morning and I can tell you the company is not too happy and they are getting answers right now how and why this happened and from the sounds of it they may be ready to make the move much quicker than expected because of this. Hold strong because they are now going to take very strong and quick action especially because of this. This has now come down to the point where they will not give the shorts any mercy whatsoever. From my talk with Ben it sounds like they are now going to drop the big bombshell.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHO TUT IS !!!!
He's Matt Foley and his lives in a van down by the river!!!!!
just having some fun lol Posted by Chartwalker on :
Had to Vin!!
Don't want you to send over the 6 and 0 Bears to kick MA! lol ~~
wow what a season you guys are having!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Beat ya Doc! Posted by thedoctor on :
LOL
Posted by cassity on :
I don't care who Tut is, but this is what I'm hearing:
#7337 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 305 Shareholders I just talked with Ben. The "E" will be off in the morning and I can tell you the company is not too happy and they are getting answers right now how and why this happened and from the sounds of it they may be ready to make the move much quicker than expected because of this. Hold strong because they are now going to take very strong and quick action especially because of this. This has now come down to the point where they will not give the shorts any mercy whatsoever. From my talk with Ben it sounds like they are now going to drop the big bombshell.
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Posted by betting babe on :
notice how little im posting
just about poddy trained, but still an 8 wk old baby.
trying to get him set into a schedule so life can move on... i start to travel again tomorrow.
wish rufus would stop playing games. i could really use the time.
~BB
quote:Originally posted by cool AZ: betting babe Member
Member Rated: posted 10-18-2006 11:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- duh. rite. i did it on yahoo, but not in TDAm. heah. model moment
It's a "mm" thing huh bb? LOL!! BTW, how's the new addition doing? ... poddy trained yet?
Posted by 66inxs on :
i think it is a system screwup too glassman but knowing the govt they won't remove the e until they get another copy of the auditor's statement from rufus and co. jmo
Posted by CRab on :
I thought Tut was really Professor Plum and he did it in the laboratory with the candle stick? Am I missing something?
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Longs have always been a bit confused but this is a bit too much.
Rufus did not deliver the halt. When asked on subpenny radio if he had the power to halt, he said he could go to market surveillance and get them to do it because of all the short manipulations. Conclusion: Despite his earlier promise to halt, he now realizes he simply does not have the authority to do it.
Rufus did not deliver the reset. Whether you want to call this a stock dividend, split, or reset issuance, whatever, all this does is increase the number of shares outstanding. It doesn't guarantee $15 or anything close to it. Further, the increase in shares outstanding will make it all the more difficult to get a Nasdaq listing. To be listed there, a stock must trade at $4 minimum. How is the stock going to get to $4 after the split when there are 700 million shares outstanding, a market cap of $2.8 BILLION?
Rufus has no idea what the rules are. He didn't know that the 10k was due on September 28. He didn't know that the final, extended deadline was October 13, even after the deadline had passed. Rufus didn't know that he had to inform the NASD that the 10k has been filed and because of this, the stock will trade with the dreaded "e" tomorrow, a situation that could have been easily avoided.
The record date confusion on the 6 additional shares is a complete fiasco. His statement violated 10b-17 which requires advance notice of a dividend. Further, for a dividend or stock split where the value is greater than 25% of the stock price, the record date is basically irrelevant. Anyone who holds on the day the dividend is actually issued receives the dividend. The ex-div date is the day after the split. In this case, the ex-div date is October 31. Again, Rufus and his team of attorneys are unware of the rules. This issue is addressed here:
Even today, the company is giving out bad information. I spoke with Sabra today and she assured me that yesterday was the date of record.
Rufus has still not delivered the S-4 despite promising to do so for over 3 months; CVSU shares cannot be registered until he does. The 10k is a complete joke; what the heck happened to FHAL? (if you think they can just pretend it doesn't exist anymore, I suggest you read ANY 10k of a shell after it has done a reverse merger) AISS is sunk. Rufus, Ben and Sabra are going to run an aerospace company? The much-hyped NOBO list has destroyed the pretense that there is a 70+ million short position. It goes on and on. And yet there are people here predicting a $100 stock price. All I can say is, wow.
Here's my post on how they determined the number of shares for the special issuance...
Simon: Should the outstanding share structure be 721 million or 618 million?
Rufus: Hahahahaa. aaAAAaa. Read that little part in parentheses in that press release. What does it say? The figure will be rounded down to the nearest single whole digit.
Simon: Ok.
Rufus: Yes, it should be 721 because it comes out to 6.53 is what the actual ratio comes out to. We rounded it down. We didn't say anything above 50% would go lower. We rounded it down to keep it all at all at 7 bucks(?) Down to 6 dollars and thats why you got.....I mean 6 shares for each one..that's why you're getting 6.
Simon: Ok
Rufus: Which brings you to 618.
Simon: Ok, so
Rufus: I mean, ya know, c'mon, hehe, there's that greed factor again, my friend. He. Whoever said that
My Comments: Simon was asking a legitimate question. If there are 103mm shares no and you're issuing 6 new shares per old share (6x103mm), shouldn't the new total be 721mm (103mm+618mm)? But nothing gets past ole Rufus. He thinks the question is about why investors got 6 new shares instead of 6.53. The close price yesterday was 1.80. Put 1.80 in his formula, 15/x - x and you get 6.53). So Rufus proudly points out the part in the parentheses in the press release about rounding saying this allowed them to round down.
This is hilarious because... 1. He didn't answer the question. If he did, he would realize that he has committed the company to issuing 618mm new shares which will result in 721mm shares outstanding, not 618mm.
2. The whole point of the formula is to get shareholders their $15, thus satisfying Rufus' guarantee. But as many have pointed out, his formula was wrong. Putting $1.80 in 15/x-x gives you 6.53 (as he said) but take that a multiply it by 1.80 and you only get $11.76! (FYI, the correct formula is 15/x-1.). By rounding it down, the numbers only get worse. 6x.180 is only $10.80. I'm not quite sure how $10.80 rounds to $15. Guess Simon will have to ask a followup on that one.
3. But wait, it gets better. The blurb in parentheses that Rufus was so proud of is only applicable with a reverse split. With a forward split, there is no need to allow for fractional shares because any whole number of shares multipled by a whole number (6) is also a whole number. So Rufus once again cribbed something he doesn't understand and put it where it doesn't belong.
And that's the truth, folks. All on tape. Your CEO in all his grandeur. quoted by schadenfreude
Interesting post from HSM by kewlman, makes some valid points, especially about the O/S question. I was listening to the interview as well, and rufus really didn't answer the question. Thoughts?
Posted by glassman on :
notice how little im posting [Wink]
just about poddy trained, but still an 8 wk old baby.
trying to get him set into a schedule so life can move on... i start to travel again tomorrow
hahaha he's still gonna be a puppy for another year... enjoy, and don't let him wear you out.. Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: I thought Tut was really Professor Plum and he did it in the laboratory with the candle stick? Am I missing something?
No....Miss Scarlet w/knife Conservatory
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: I thought Tut was really Professor Plum and he did it in the laboratory with the candle stick? Am I missing something?
No....Miss Scarlet w/knife Conservatory
Stop stealing my material!
Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Thanks Chart, just wanted confirmation that it wasn't just me. Appreciate you taking time to respond.
vin on the streamer, did you type in cshde. ?? if not you might want to try that, mine works..
Posted by stocktrader22 on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Longs have always been a bit confused but this is a bit too much.
Rufus did not deliver the halt. When asked on subpenny radio if he had the power to halt, he said he could go to market surveillance and get them to do it because of all the short manipulations. Conclusion: Despite his earlier promise to halt, he now realizes he simply does not have the authority to do it.
Rufus did not deliver the reset. Whether you want to call this a stock dividend, split, or reset issuance, whatever, all this does is increase the number of shares outstanding. It doesn't guarantee $15 or anything close to it. Further, the increase in shares outstanding will make it all the more difficult to get a Nasdaq listing. To be listed there, a stock must trade at $4 minimum. How is the stock going to get to $4 after the split when there are 700 million shares outstanding, a market cap of $2.8 BILLION?
Rufus has no idea what the rules are. He didn't know that the 10k was due on September 28. He didn't know that the final, extended deadline was October 13, even after the deadline had passed. Rufus didn't know that he had to inform the NASD that the 10k has been filed and because of this, the stock will trade with the dreaded "e" tomorrow, a situation that could have been easily avoided.
The record date confusion on the 6 additional shares is a complete fiasco. His statement violated 10b-17 which requires advance notice of a dividend. Further, for a dividend or stock split where the value is greater than 25% of the stock price, the record date is basically irrelevant. Anyone who holds on the day the dividend is actually issued receives the dividend. The ex-div date is the day after the split. In this case, the ex-div date is October 31. Again, Rufus and his team of attorneys are unware of the rules. This issue is addressed here:
Even today, the company is giving out bad information. I spoke with Sabra today and she assured me that yesterday was the date of record.
Rufus has still not delivered the S-4 despite promising to do so for over 3 months; CVSU shares cannot be registered until he does. The 10k is a complete joke; what the heck happened to FHAL? (if you think they can just pretend it doesn't exist anymore, I suggest you read ANY 10k of a shell after it has done a reverse merger) AISS is sunk. Rufus, Ben and Sabra are going to run an aerospace company? The much-hyped NOBO list has destroyed the pretense that there is a 70+ million short position. It goes on and on. And yet there are people here predicting a $100 stock price. All I can say is, wow.
Here's my post on how they determined the number of shares for the special issuance...
Simon: Should the outstanding share structure be 721 million or 618 million?
Rufus: Hahahahaa. aaAAAaa. Read that little part in parentheses in that press release. What does it say? The figure will be rounded down to the nearest single whole digit.
Simon: Ok.
Rufus: Yes, it should be 721 because it comes out to 6.53 is what the actual ratio comes out to. We rounded it down. We didn't say anything above 50% would go lower. We rounded it down to keep it all at all at 7 bucks(?) Down to 6 dollars and thats why you got.....I mean 6 shares for each one..that's why you're getting 6.
Simon: Ok
Rufus: Which brings you to 618.
Simon: Ok, so
Rufus: I mean, ya know, c'mon, hehe, there's that greed factor again, my friend. He. Whoever said that
My Comments: Simon was asking a legitimate question. If there are 103mm shares no and you're issuing 6 new shares per old share (6x103mm), shouldn't the new total be 721mm (103mm+618mm)? But nothing gets past ole Rufus. He thinks the question is about why investors got 6 new shares instead of 6.53. The close price yesterday was 1.80. Put 1.80 in his formula, 15/x - x and you get 6.53). So Rufus proudly points out the part in the parentheses in the press release about rounding saying this allowed them to round down.
This is hilarious because... 1. He didn't answer the question. If he did, he would realize that he has committed the company to issuing 618mm new shares which will result in 721mm shares outstanding, not 618mm.
2. The whole point of the formula is to get shareholders their $15, thus satisfying Rufus' guarantee. But as many have pointed out, his formula was wrong. Putting $1.80 in 15/x-x gives you 6.53 (as he said) but take that a multiply it by 1.80 and you only get $11.76! (FYI, the correct formula is 15/x-1.). By rounding it down, the numbers only get worse. 6x.180 is only $10.80. I'm not quite sure how $10.80 rounds to $15. Guess Simon will have to ask a followup on that one.
3. But wait, it gets better. The blurb in parentheses that Rufus was so proud of is only applicable with a reverse split. With a forward split, there is no need to allow for fractional shares because any whole number of shares multipled by a whole number (6) is also a whole number. So Rufus once again cribbed something he doesn't understand and put it where it doesn't belong.
And that's the truth, folks. All on tape. Your CEO in all his grandeur. quoted by schadenfreude
Interesting post from HSM by kewlman, makes some valid points, especially about the O/S question. I was listening to the interview as well, and rufus really didn't answer the question. Thoughts?
My thoughts are that this company is being run by officers with a very sketchy past who have shown no business success.
It's hard to believe that they can pull this off. I'm long and hoping for the best, but they should never have allowed the E to come on.
The only reason I'm still in is because its been 3 months and the SEC still hasn't shut this baby down yet. It seems like Rufus has delivered on a decent amount of stuff, and I'm having trouble figuring out what Rufus has to gain now by not making all this happen. Also Im having trouble figuring out how this all just comes to a close if it were a scam
Posted by new2stocks on :
I do believe kewlman is on the edge of getting banned for that basher post!
Posted by CRab on :
That garbage was posted last night on Ihub in the wee hours of the morning...
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: i think it is a system screwup too glassman but knowing the govt they won't remove the e until they get another copy of the auditor's statement from rufus and co. jmo
I think you are right
Posted by Igor R on :
Im a long no doubt, but basher or not the O/S question is valid either way.
Posted by NEL on :
going down 1.80 volume 675,496
Posted by new2stocks on :
omg this is funny! Turn up your volume for this one.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: so has tut released his true identity. In the most important post he's put up. I'll say one thing if it's the most important post for us to read he reall thinks highly of himself. I mean this guy could say he's bill gates. are we just supposed to believe him? I can't wait for him to say who he really is.
Do you think he ever really will? I have my doubts on that one....
I just want him to keep speculating because he does seem to know enough to be right most occasions. Think about how all of us were pretty nuts on Monday then magically the big news came out about the 6 shares.
I wouldn't trade based on his information by any stretch, but I do pay attention...
Well said Sherri...I don't know what to make of him or who he is, but I do pay attention as well. If for one reason only...he gets really excited just before something happens. Kinda like watching the volume pick up on a stock. His other posts are mostly just repetitive quotes and such. I have been there, done those.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Im a long no doubt, but basher or not the O/S question is valid either way.
the 10Q is where the share structure will b emade clear...
people seem to forget that the 10K was good thru 6-30-06....
that is pre-merger...
lots of scary stuff to read... Posted by RyanPBF on :
all those shares that went through at 1.87 and nite wouldn't move and now they drop us .07 pretty quick.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHO TUT IS !!!!
He's Matt Foley and his lives in a van down by the river!!!!!
just having some fun lol
LMAO!!! ~~ good one!
Posted by ruthie on :
It is still SO confusing. I just wish it would close at EOD at least at 2.02
Posted by CRab on :
omg this is funny! Turn up your volume for this one.
jeese I hadn't heard that one yet...that is DAMN funny...
Posted by F4i4Brian on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Ok I activated my merril lynch account. Babe or Dog I know you both just went through this. I forgot what are the fee's when selling or buying? Are you guys using your merril account just to house your cshd shares?
Ryan - that depends if you have a full service broker or a ML Direct account. If MLD, then it's $29.95 per trade, plus $.03 per share for shares over 1000.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R: Im a long no doubt, but basher or not the O/S question is valid either way.
the 10Q is where the share structure will b emade clear...
people seem to forget that the 10K was good thru 6-30-06....
that is pre-merger...
lots of scary stuff to read...
Would love to see the 10q drop at 3:15 today lol.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I FINALLY FIGURED OUT WHO TUT IS !!!!
He's Matt Foley and his lives in a van down by the river!!!!!
just having some fun lol
LMAO!!! ~~ good one!
I didn't know if anyone saw it. since it was the last post on the page. there you go there's my guess on who tut is.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by F4i4Brian:
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: Ok I activated my merril lynch account. Babe or Dog I know you both just went through this. I forgot what are the fee's when selling or buying? Are you guys using your merril account just to house your cshd shares?
Ryan - that depends if you have a full service broker or a ML Direct account. If MLD, then it's $29.95 per trade, plus $.03 per share for shares over 1000.
I opened up a ml direct account. I believe that's what dog and BB opened also. Is that the one you opened Babe?
Posted by cassity on :
SIT TIGHT FOLKS! JUST LIKE MONDAY!
Posted by got2hvfaith on :
quote:Originally posted by cassity: I don't care who Tut is, but this is what I'm hearing:
#7337 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 305 Shareholders I just talked with Ben. The "E" will be off in the morning and I can tell you the company is not too happy and they are getting answers right now how and why this happened and from the sounds of it they may be ready to make the move much quicker than expected because of this. Hold strong because they are now going to take very strong and quick action especially because of this. This has now come down to the point where they will not give the shorts any mercy whatsoever. From my talk with Ben it sounds like they are now going to drop the big bombshell.
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What do you mean by "this is what I'm hearing"?
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Except a few weeks this time. Not a few days. Good luck folks and I hope the best for everyone!!!
Don't believe everything you hear and only half of what you see
Its gonna get UGLY......
Posted by Chartwalker on :
omg this is funny! Turn up your volume for this one.
jeese I hadn't heard that one yet...that is DAMN funny...
Have to wait till I get home to listen Posted by cassity on :
Company is aware of the problem! THEY are NOT happy! They are extremely PISSED! Just WAIT! JMHO
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'm just a little surprised it's taken them this long to respond about this.
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Had to Vin!!
Don't want you to send over the 6 and 0 Bears to kick MA! lol ~~
wow what a season you guys are having!
Yea, but did you see Monday night? Exciting game, but wow, it was embarassing to watch Grossman. Glad we got a bye week this weekend.
Posted by cassity on :
They WILL take care of the problem!
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I'm just a little surprised it's taken them this long to respond about this.
Knowing them they'll release a pr at 3:55pm lol.
Posted by Jenna on :
"Make the move"....."drop the bombshell"
What do you think he is talking about 10Q or Nasdaq?
quote:Originally posted by got2hvfaith:
quote:Originally posted by cassity: I don't care who Tut is, but this is what I'm hearing:
#7337 tutankhamen HSM Regular
Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 305 Shareholders I just talked with Ben. The "E" will be off in the morning and I can tell you the company is not too happy and they are getting answers right now how and why this happened and from the sounds of it they may be ready to make the move much quicker than expected because of this. Hold strong because they are now going to take very strong and quick action especially because of this. This has now come down to the point where they will not give the shorts any mercy whatsoever. From my talk with Ben it sounds like they are now going to drop the big bombshell.
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What do you mean by "this is what I'm hearing"?
Posted by RyanPBF on :
I'm not saying they won't cass. Just thought they might of jumped on it earlier. that's all
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by driver4t3:
quote:Originally posted by Vin: Thanks Chart, just wanted confirmation that it wasn't just me. Appreciate you taking time to respond.
vin on the streamer, did you type in cshde. ?? if not you might want to try that, mine works..
YES!!! That worked. Thanks, I didn't have anything to watch and was feeling kinda left out over here!
Thanks.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
NAZ I bet Jenna!
Posted by Jenna on :
I say we give Vin some stars- he was feel left out cause of his streamer!!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: NAZ I bet Jenna!
I hope so Chart- that woud really be a kick to the shorts' cro*ch
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I say we give Vin some stars- he was feel left out cause of his streamer!!
LOL, ever the thoughful one, Jenna!
Posted by Jenna on :
I'm throwing you love Vin!
Go Bears!!! (as long as they're not playing the Bills) Posted by cassity on :
Jenna you crack me up! Your a sweet heart!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: NAZ I bet Jenna!
I hope so Chart- that woud really be a kick to the shorts' cro*ch
Make a "shorty" an "inny" ha ha~~ Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: I'm not saying they won't cass. Just thought they might of jumped on it earlier. that's all
I have to agree... I would have liked to see or have one of the big 4 in the corporation (not tut) address the situation today. I believe that it should be by a corp officer and it should've been done within a hour after maket open. Even if it were to keep the public "eye" high on CSHD.
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I'm throwing you love Vin!
Go Bears!!! (as long as they're not playing the Bills)
I know, I know, they already crushed 'em! SSSSSHHH
Posted by RyanPBF on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: NAZ I bet Jenna!
I hope so Chart- that woud really be a kick to the shorts' cro*ch
Make a "shorty" an "inny" ha ha~~
that's not a good visual. lmao Posted by stocktrader22 on :
I'm willing to bet they wont say anything through PR about the E
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: NAZ I bet Jenna!
I hope so Chart- that woud really be a kick to the shorts' cro*ch
Make a "shorty" an "inny" ha ha~~
OOOOH that took me a minute!!! FUNNY! 2 belly buttons!!!
By the way-Thank Cass!
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I'm throwing you love Vin!
Go Bears!!! (as long as they're not playing the Bills)
I know, I know, they already crushed 'em! SSSSSHHH
I'm willing to never bring that up so we can remain on good terms!
Posted by Jenna on :
I can't get mad at you Vin for the Bears beating the Bills- JUST DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I can't get mad at you Vin for the Bears beating the Bills- JUST DON'T LET IT HAPPEN AGAIN!
Deal!
Posted by Jenna on :
I gotta eat lunch! My stomach is yellin' at me- talk to you all later.......
Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I say we give Vin some stars- he was feel left out cause of his streamer!!
already gave him some the day the poor doc needed defending, thought you guys were coool. water under the bridge, all is good and everyone happy now, sets good w/me. Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Interesting post from HSM by kewlman, makes some valid points, especially about the O/S question. I was listening to the interview as well, and rufus really didn't answer the question. Thoughts?
Yes, your brain is not all there for even reposting a banned users post.
Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I say we give Vin some stars- he was feel left out cause of his streamer!!
Let's give driver4t3 some stars too.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
is nite going to sit on the ask at this level too.
Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Interesting post from HSM by kewlman, makes some valid points, especially about the O/S question. I was listening to the interview as well, and rufus really didn't answer the question. Thoughts?
Yes, your brain is not all there for even reposting a banned users post.
He asked a valid question and so did I, nowhere in my post did I say I agree with him or CSHD sucks etc.
Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by atthebank:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I say we give Vin some stars- he was feel left out cause of his streamer!!
Let's give driver4t3 some stars too.
HA thanks bank, but turned mine off. thanks anyway, you be cool too. thanks for the tip you pm'd me.. Posted by Vin on :
Wow, made it up to three stars! Thanks all!
Posted by new2stocks on :
Vin I'd give you stars but I had already rated you 4 quite a while back! Posted by atthebank on :
quote:Originally posted by driver4t3:
quote:Originally posted by atthebank:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I say we give Vin some stars- he was feel left out cause of his streamer!!
Let's give driver4t3 some stars too.
HA thanks bank, but turned mine off. thanks anyway, you be cool too. thanks for the tip you pm'd me..
It' the least I could do.
Posted by Vin on :
I'm like the damn stock...dropped to two again. Who's manipulating this?
Oops, back up again! Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Interesting post from HSM by kewlman, makes some valid points, especially about the O/S question. I was listening to the interview as well, and rufus really didn't answer the question. Thoughts?
Yes, your brain is not all there for even reposting a banned users post.
He asked a valid question and so did I, nowhere in my post did I say I agree with him or CSHD sucks etc.
My assessment remains. You took a post that was clearly manipulative to express a position. The questions being asked are not the issue.
Kewl's last parting comment was all you needed to know...not to mention that post and the following got the thread shutdown on HSM...so I would always be sure to propagate such things to every board I could.
Again...it is not the discussion but the poor judgement on how to express it that invited my comment.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I see 3 Vin! Posted by driver4t3 on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin: I'm like the damn stock...dropped to two again. Who's manipulating this?
Oops, back up again!
HA , the BR's are manipulating and holding you down (bashers) Posted by Chartwalker on :
The MOD'S are shorting you Vin!!! lol ~~
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: The MOD'S are shorting you Vin!!! lol ~~
I prefer naked shorting! Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Interesting post from HSM by kewlman, makes some valid points, especially about the O/S question. I was listening to the interview as well, and rufus really didn't answer the question. Thoughts?
Yes, your brain is not all there for even reposting a banned users post.
He asked a valid question and so did I, nowhere in my post did I say I agree with him or CSHD sucks etc.
My assessment remains. You took a post that was clearly manipulative to express a position. The questions being asked are not the issue.
Kewl's last parting comment was all you needed to know...not to mention that post and the following got the thread shutdown on HSM...so I would always be sure to propagate such things to every board I could.
Again...it is not the discussion but the poor judgement on how to express it that invited my comment.
I guess I should've cut out most of it to just that section. I'm not trying to propagate anything, I really didn't even read the latter of the post, just copy pasted the whole thing.
Posted by djg7 on :
The shorts shorts are looking browner everyday.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: The MOD'S are shorting you Vin!!! lol ~~
I prefer naked shorting!
because of poor family genetics!!?.. he he ~ Posted by RyanPBF on :
bashers are in full force over at ihub. talking about how the financials aren't audited. That cshd got an accountant that isn't qualified to audit public co's.
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: The MOD'S are shorting you Vin!!! lol ~~
I prefer naked shorting!
because of poor family genetics!!?.. he he ~
LOL, I kinda left myself open for that one. Should'a seen that one coming.
Posted by new2stocks on :
I don't even go to Ihub anymore....nothing but bs there.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by RyanPBF: bashers are in full force over at ihub. talking about how the financials aren't audited. That cshd got an accountant that isn't qualified to audit public co's.
"Professional flippers" beating down the price cause they know when the next PR comes out she's gonna run faster then Forest Gump!
It's always about the money ~
Posted by SherriT on :
Back from lunch - had all of the southern fried grease my tummy could hold. Come on bombshell! Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Back from lunch - had all of the southern fried grease my tummy could hold. Come on bombshell!
Sounds like that will come out quicker then our next PR!!! LOL ~ Posted by portman on :
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:Originally posted by portman:
quote:Originally posted by Igor R:
quote:
Interesting post from HSM by kewlman, makes some valid points, especially about the O/S question. I was listening to the interview as well, and rufus really didn't answer the question. Thoughts?
Yes, your brain is not all there for even reposting a banned users post.
He asked a valid question and so did I, nowhere in my post did I say I agree with him or CSHD sucks etc.
I will say that I take what directly exits any CEO's mouth with a grain of salt. Particularly a very tired and over worked one. They always say things they either should not or have not completely thought about. They cannot be perfect on every point. No one can an RPH was trying to communicate with shareholders. he is doing far more hand holding than any CEO should. He should be appreciated for the effort rather than knit picked.
Those numbers will be validated by others and then issued as required.
All that said...the deal could still all fall apart and everyone should be prepared for that. not that I think it will...but you should always be prepared.
I continue to look for buying opportunities personally.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
I am glad to see the low volume today....suggests that the longs are holding and being patient.....and "not feeding the beast"....please let's see the next PR and 8K so this guy can rock and roll..... Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: The MOD'S are shorting you Vin!!! lol ~~
I prefer naked shorting!
because of poor family genetics!!?.. he he ~
LOL, I kinda left myself open for that one. Should'a seen that one coming.
-you could always try PULLING on it Vin! LMAO!!
Posted by unclerudy on :
Guys,
I just got back from talking with Fidelity, and finding out what the E on the end of the symbol name meant. I asked the guy at the front counter, and he said that he thought that it would be because of a late filing. I told him that nothing was filed late, and he went and got one of their equity traders. I asked him, without telling him any of the background on the stock, and he said "That it is probably because they are going to be releasing more shares of stock to the owners, and that they need to differentiate between the old shares that we have, and the new shares that we will be receiving later." I asked him if he knew anything about the stock, and he said that he didn't, and that both the front end computers and the merger backend computers had no info at all. He said that having an E is not necessarily a bad thing, only if we missed a filing date. I hope that helps everyone out, and doesn't bother people.
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: The MOD'S are shorting you Vin!!! lol ~~
I prefer naked shorting!
because of poor family genetics!!?.. he he ~
LOL, I kinda left myself open for that one. Should'a seen that one coming.
-you could always try PULLING on it Vin! LMAO!!
LOL
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Back from lunch - had all of the southern fried grease my tummy could hold. Come on bombshell!
Sounds like that will come out quicker then our next PR!!! LOL ~
EWWW - you forget I was raised on this stuff - we have a tough consistency - LMAO!
FWIW, the bombshell I was looking for was the NAZ Posted by CRab on :
awesome info uncle rudy...thanks for that!
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: The MOD'S are shorting you Vin!!! lol ~~
I prefer naked shorting!
piglet...
Posted by Bittermac on :
Uncle Rudy's post makes an interesting point. They may have accounted for ownership on the 16th and will notate any new stock by the 30th to prevent newcomers from benifiting from the additional shares
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna:
quote:Originally posted by Vin:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: The MOD'S are shorting you Vin!!! lol ~~
I prefer naked shorting!
piglet...
Ok, keep the jokes coming, but just remember, I'm LONG on this one!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by SherriT:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by SherriT: Back from lunch - had all of the southern fried grease my tummy could hold. Come on bombshell!
Sounds like that will come out quicker then our next PR!!! LOL ~
EWWW - you forget I was raised on this stuff - we have a tough consistency - LMAO!
FWIW, the bombshell I was looking for was the NAZ
Just going for some laughs to break up the day Posted by glassman on :
10/16/2006 14:00:15|S1|CSHDE|CSHD|Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. Common Stock|Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. Common Stock|10/18/2006|Delinquent **|||U
it says delinquent.....
they just didn't get it off the list when they should have...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Originally Posted by Teslafan Leading the way with naked shorts.
TD Ameritrade Refuses all Buy Orders for SSSU Shares:
The company has confirmed through a TD Ameritrade representative that the online broker is refuse all buy orders and will only allow sell orders in the shares of SSSU. TD Ameritrade refused all explanations for the refusal to allow investors to purchase our shares, which we feel only confirms our speculation of a large share imbalance on the sell side.
We recommend that investors wanting to purchase our shares open an account with Etrade, Mytrack, Schwab Trading or Terra Nova Trading to purchase the shares.
Posted by Jenna on :
CSHD's next PR:
VIN IS LONG!
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Originally Posted by Teslafan Leading the way with naked shorts.
TD Ameritrade Refuses all Buy Orders for SSSU Shares:
The company has confirmed through a TD Ameritrade representative that the online broker is refuse all buy orders and will only allow sell orders in the shares of SSSU. TD Ameritrade refused all explanations for the refusal to allow investors to purchase our shares, which we feel only confirms our speculation of a large share imbalance on the sell side.
We recommend that investors wanting to purchase our shares open an account with Etrade, Mytrack, Schwab Trading or Terra Nova Trading to purchase the shares.
Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Originally Posted by Teslafan Leading the way with naked shorts.
TD Ameritrade Refuses all Buy Orders for SSSU Shares:
The company has confirmed through a TD Ameritrade representative that the online broker is refuse all buy orders and will only allow sell orders in the shares of SSSU. TD Ameritrade refused all explanations for the refusal to allow investors to purchase our shares, which we feel only confirms our speculation of a large share imbalance on the sell side.
We recommend that investors wanting to purchase our shares open an account with Etrade, Mytrack, Schwab Trading or Terra Nova Trading to purchase the shares.
Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts.
riiiiiiight ~
Posted by mathis on :
strange..http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=CSHDE.OB earlier had headlines..now it does not
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Originally Posted by Teslafan Leading the way with naked shorts.
TD Ameritrade Refuses all Buy Orders for SSSU Shares:
The company has confirmed through a TD Ameritrade representative that the online broker is refuse all buy orders and will only allow sell orders in the shares of SSSU. TD Ameritrade refused all explanations for the refusal to allow investors to purchase our shares, which we feel only confirms our speculation of a large share imbalance on the sell side.
We recommend that investors wanting to purchase our shares open an account with Etrade, Mytrack, Schwab Trading or Terra Nova Trading to purchase the shares.
Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts.
any PR site will show this PR:
Silver Screens Studios: Audio Interview by CEO Explaining Business Model, NOBO List and Share Exchange Program
A SSSU Updates Shareholders with Details of Share Exchange, NOBO List and Financing Plans
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts.
i'm curious how you know this repo?
this is becoming a pattern....
AMTRD did the same thing with CSHD back when it was just a buck... i think we are seeing the end of nekked shorting...
i saw on CNBC today that another hedge fund got wiped out....
they've been stealing from us for a few years now...
it's almost over...
Posted by MikeSC on :
quote:Originally posted by unclerudy: Guys,
I just got back from talking with Fidelity, and finding out what the E on the end of the symbol name meant. I asked the guy at the front counter, and he said that he thought that it would be because of a late filing. I told him that nothing was filed late, and he went and got one of their equity traders. I asked him, without telling him any of the background on the stock, and he said "That it is probably because they are going to be releasing more shares of stock to the owners, and that they need to differentiate between the old shares that we have, and the new shares that we will be receiving later." I asked him if he knew anything about the stock, and he said that he didn't, and that both the front end computers and the merger backend computers had no info at all. He said that having an E is not necessarily a bad thing, only if we missed a filing date. I hope that helps everyone out, and doesn't bother people.
Very interesting! It also differentiates what shares we buy and sell outside of those that we receive the reset shares for.
Thanks, Unclerudy
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Originally Posted by Teslafan Leading the way with naked shorts.
TD Ameritrade Refuses all Buy Orders for SSSU Shares:
The company has confirmed through a TD Ameritrade representative that the online broker is refuse all buy orders and will only allow sell orders in the shares of SSSU. TD Ameritrade refused all explanations for the refusal to allow investors to purchase our shares, which we feel only confirms our speculation of a large share imbalance on the sell side.
We recommend that investors wanting to purchase our shares open an account with Etrade, Mytrack, Schwab Trading or Terra Nova Trading to purchase the shares.
Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts.
Also this one:
Silver Screens Studios: Non Objecting Beneficial Owners List Update and Shareholders Integrity Plan
A SSSU Non Objecting Beneficial Owners List to be eligible for Shareholders Integrity Plan
ATLANTA, Oct 11, 2006 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Silver Screen Studios, Inc. (OTCBB: SSSU) www.silverscreenstudiogroup.com,http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SSSU.OB, Traders Nation, www.tradersnation.com/sssu.shtml, Global 1 Realty Corporation, www.1global1realty.com, forms venture capital private equity investment funds for acquisitions of companies, financing of investments in other entities, and files to do business as Silver Screen Holdings to reflect our new business model. Non Objecting Beneficial Owners of SSSU Shares:
""""We believe several Market Makers SBSH and STGI have accumulated a large short position and will have to cover the position or fail to deliver which the new NOBO list will identify the extent of the position.""""
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts.
i'm curious how you know this repo?
this is becoming a pattern....
AMTRD did the same thing with CSHD back when it was just a buck... i think we are seeing the end of nekked shorting...
i saw on CNBC today that another hedge fund got wiped out....
they've been stealing from us for a few years now...
it's almost over...
How do I know? I used to work for them, remember? They've been doing this for years... I knew the risk manager at Datek Online. Before he was hired in '99, every stock over $5, no matter how risky, was SHORTABLE and MARGINABLE. Then when he came on, they started to tighten that process up based on volatility, expectations of margin calls, etc. Now? They've gone too far... their risk manager actually subscribes to pump websites and if he thinks a stock is "in play", they'll prevent buys. Its BS. They think they are helping their clients, but they are killing their BEST clients, the traders. Screw the investors.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
CLEARLY Repo, SSSU IS ALL about Naked Shorting Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: CLEARLY Repo, SSSU IS ALL about Naked Shorting
I'm not saying there isn't a short position, I'm saying that's not why AMTD restricted buying. AMTD is not an MM.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
From SSSU's PR:
We believe several Market Makers SBSH and STGI have accumulated a large ""short position"" and will have to cover the position or fail to deliver which the new NOBO list will identify the extent of the position.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: From SSSU's PR:
We believe several Market Makers SBSH and STGI have accumulated a large ""short position"" and will have to cover the position or fail to deliver which the new NOBO list will identify the extent of the position.
SBSH is Citibank, STGI is Secure Trading Group... neither affiliated with AMTD.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
PYPR will be next if it isn't already!!
PayPro, Inc. announces NOBO review results.
DALLAS, Oct 12, 2006 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- PayPro, Inc. (Pink Sheets:PYPR) CEO Mike Terrell stated, "After careful review of the NOBO and DTC lists we believe there is a
""major short position hurting our shareholders""
and the company. I have reported the Market Makers and brokers I believe to be illegally shorting our stock. The Board of Directors is considering a reduction of the authorized and outstanding shares and a possible share buyback at this time to protect our investors. In our opinion there are certain Market Makers and brokers deliberately hurting our stock, and our investors, and to that end I have filed complaints with the NASD."
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: CLEARLY Repo, SSSU IS ALL about Naked Shorting
I'm not saying there isn't a short position, I'm saying that's not why AMTD restricted buying. AMTD is not an MM.
and you think that NSing doesn't hurt AMTD? they don't want their accounts full of "air shares"...
it hurts the brokerage... check the rules? they are the ones responsible to verify the delivery of the shares...
it's "on them" to police themselves...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: From SSSU's PR:
We believe several Market Makers SBSH and STGI have accumulated a large ""short position"" and will have to cover the position or fail to deliver which the new NOBO list will identify the extent of the position.
SBSH is Citibank, STGI is Secure Trading Group... neither affiliated with AMTD.
Thought you said it wasn't about shorts?.....
Posted by SherriT on :
Now is definately the time to have cash for playing short squeezes....they are coming out of the woodwork.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: From SSSU's PR:
We believe several Market Makers SBSH and STGI have accumulated a large ""short position"" and will have to cover the position or fail to deliver which the new NOBO list will identify the extent of the position.
SBSH is Citibank, STGI is Secure Trading Group... neither affiliated with AMTD.
Thought you said it wasn't about shorts?.....
Let me repeat myself...
I'm not saying there isn't a short position, I'm saying that's not why AMTD restricted buying. AMTD is not an MM.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Yep SherriT!
Thanks to OUR CEO Rufus!!! He did start it all, and he said he wasn't done yet, so sit back and see what Rufus and his Goevernment buddies do! Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: CLEARLY Repo, SSSU IS ALL about Naked Shorting
I'm not saying there isn't a short position, I'm saying that's not why AMTD restricted buying. AMTD is not an MM.
and you think that NSing doesn't hurt AMTD? they don't want their accounts full of "air shares"...
it hurts the brokerage... check the rules? they are the ones responsible to verify the delivery of the shares...
it's "on them" to police themselves...
I agree, and that is ANOTHER reason why they may restrict buying. But let's make it clear that they are not restricting buying because THEY, AMTD, THE BROKER is short. That is just a dumb conspiracy theory.
Posted by glassman on :
I agree, and that is ANOTHER reason why they may restrict buying. But let's make it clear that they are not restricting buying because THEY, AMTD, THE BROKER is short. That is just a dumb conspiracy theory.
not if they have been looking the other way while their accounts are getting loaded up with nekkid shorts... they are liable...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Actually Repo, if you "repeat yourself" you said:
"Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts."
And I said... "yes it is."
I think I just spanked you Repo! Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: I agree, and that is ANOTHER reason why they may restrict buying. But let's make it clear that they are not restricting buying because THEY, AMTD, THE BROKER is short. That is just a dumb conspiracy theory.
not if they have been looking the other way while their accounts are getting loaded up with nekkid shorts... they are liable...
Their accounts can't be loaded up with Naked Shorts unless they aren't clearing the trades. AMTD is clearing trades, that I know. They won't be on the hook, DTC will. If DTC doesn't give them a FTD, then DTC is on the hook.
Posted by glassman on :
unless they aren't clearing the trades
i think that is what i just told they've been doing...
looking the other way...
i HOPE that is OVER for good...
because we all KNOW they have been..
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Actually Repo, if you "repeat yourself" you said:
"Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts."
And I said... "yes it is."
I think I just spanked you Repo!
Your worse than the NY Times. Keep it in context! Add "AMTD restricting buying" to the first sentence and then you'll know what I was saying.
Posted by bigstocks on :
Guess your suppose to be a mind reader. Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: unless they aren't clearing the trades
i think that is what i just told they've been doing...
looking the other way...
i HOPE that is OVER for good...
because we all KNOW they have been..
Who told you that??? You're implying that a major U.S. brokerage house isn't clearing their trades??? C'mon. NO WAY. I can guarantee that's happening. That's the biggest conspiracy theory of them all since JFK. Maybe, maybe some chop shop off Long Island or in the Caymans, but not AMTD. No way.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Actually Repo, if you "repeat yourself" you said:
"Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts."
And I said... "yes it is."
I think I just spanked you Repo!
So....
It "IS" about SHORTS then, right Repo? Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Actually Repo, if you "repeat yourself" you said:
"Has nothing to do with Shorts. They just are being overprotective, like the gov't, telling me what I can't and can buy based on "risk". It's a crock, but not about shorts."
And I said... "yes it is."
I think I just spanked you Repo!
So....
It "IS" about SHORTS then, right Repo?
You win. Yes, everything wrong with society, including my broken shoelace, traces back to naked shorting.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: unless they aren't clearing the trades
i think that is what i just told they've been doing...
looking the other way...
i HOPE that is OVER for good...
because we all KNOW they have been..
Who told you that??? You're implying that a major U.S. brokerage house isn't clearing their trades??? C'mon. NO WAY. I can guarantee that's happening. That's the biggest conspiracy theory of them all since JFK. Maybe, maybe some chop shop off Long Island or in the Caymans, but not AMTD. No way.
i, and several others watched them do it in GVRP...
it's proven...
there was no question that they had a bad system in place at that time...
Posted by thedoctor on :
You know how all of this speculation can be cleared up ?
WE NEED AN OFFICIAL COMPANY STATEMENT. PERIOD.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: unless they aren't clearing the trades
i think that is what i just told they've been doing...
looking the other way...
i HOPE that is OVER for good...
because we all KNOW they have been..
Who told you that??? You're implying that a major U.S. brokerage house isn't clearing their trades??? C'mon. NO WAY. I can guarantee that's happening. That's the biggest conspiracy theory of them all since JFK. Maybe, maybe some chop shop off Long Island or in the Caymans, but not AMTD. No way.
Repo... Might find this interesting... TDA never replied!
Conversion Solutions Issues Statement on TD Ameritrade
KENNESAW, Ga., Sept 13, 2006 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- The following statement is being issued by Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation. Depending on who you speak to, the events of the last thirty days could be the beginning of the end for a trading dynasty. The "Short" selling of Conversion Solutions Holdings Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD) company stock by a once loved and respected trading house may have sealed that company's fate as it is now perceived to specialize in "Shorting" OTC Bulletin Board stocks.
Short selling of OTCBB stock is legal, and is used by some companies to create liquidity where there is none. Why would a stock be stagnating, you may ask? In some instances anticipation of an upcoming 10K or a price reset might cause a company's share holders to sit tight and hold for a time. Companies that participate in the practice of "Short" selling either: buy their positions out of the market or go bankrupt.
Conversion Solutions Holdings Inc. has filed 8K documentation, announcing nearly 2.6 billion dollars in assets and yet TD Ameritrade (and their subsidiaries) continue to sell shares they don't own, or have the ability to borrow. TD Ameritrade responds not by buying the stock out of the market, to cover their "Shorts," but by refusing their customers their legitimate right to buy more OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD stock. Some Conversion Solutions Holdings Inc. supporters have shared their thoughts and feelings on the forum http://www.**************.com, many of whom vow to press litigation against TD Ameritrade for not allowing them to purchase more CSHD stock. This stock has been on regulation SHO for 25 consecutive days and it has been confirmed that it has been "Shorted" by an objective "Third Party." To peruse this information please visit http://www.**********, they assert, "the 'Shorting' is over...16,000,000 shares with others estimating the 'Shorting' to be as high as 60,000,000."
Currently, the Company has 62,000,000 shares outstanding, and simple calculations would assess a current book value for this company, as of today, at approximately $41.93 per share. Then the sum, when multiplied by a minimum of 16,000,000 shares shorted, comes to minimum of $670,880,000. A market analyst concludes this stock may be conservatively valuated at 2x its book value ($1,341,760,000) or put another way, about 4 times greater than TD Ameritrade's last year's net profit.
Some of TD Ameritrade's clients are already requesting their stock certificates in fear that TD Ameritrade may go under. They are moving their shares to other trading houses that they believe to be less likely to short this stock.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: unless they aren't clearing the trades
i think that is what i just told they've been doing...
looking the other way...
i HOPE that is OVER for good...
because we all KNOW they have been..
Who told you that??? You're implying that a major U.S. brokerage house isn't clearing their trades??? C'mon. NO WAY. I can guarantee that's happening. That's the biggest conspiracy theory of them all since JFK. Maybe, maybe some chop shop off Long Island or in the Caymans, but not AMTD. No way.
i, and several others watched them do it in GVRP...
it's proven...
there was no question that they had a bad system in place at that time...
I would kill to see the proof. When was that, pre '97? If it was after, I would love to see the proof. How did you "watch" them? Were you working in their Clearing dept.?
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: unless they aren't clearing the trades
i think that is what i just told they've been doing...
looking the other way...
i HOPE that is OVER for good...
because we all KNOW they have been..
Who told you that??? You're implying that a major U.S. brokerage house isn't clearing their trades??? C'mon. NO WAY. I can guarantee that's happening. That's the biggest conspiracy theory of them all since JFK. Maybe, maybe some chop shop off Long Island or in the Caymans, but not AMTD. No way.
Repo... Might find this interesting... TDA never replied!
Conversion Solutions Issues Statement on TD Ameritrade
KENNESAW, Ga., Sept 13, 2006 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- The following statement is being issued by Rufus Paul Harris, Chief Executive Officer of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD), a Delaware Corporation. Depending on who you speak to, the events of the last thirty days could be the beginning of the end for a trading dynasty. The "Short" selling of Conversion Solutions Holdings Inc. (OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD) company stock by a once loved and respected trading house may have sealed that company's fate as it is now perceived to specialize in "Shorting" OTC Bulletin Board stocks.
Short selling of OTCBB stock is legal, and is used by some companies to create liquidity where there is none. Why would a stock be stagnating, you may ask? In some instances anticipation of an upcoming 10K or a price reset might cause a company's share holders to sit tight and hold for a time. Companies that participate in the practice of "Short" selling either: buy their positions out of the market or go bankrupt.
Conversion Solutions Holdings Inc. has filed 8K documentation, announcing nearly 2.6 billion dollars in assets and yet TD Ameritrade (and their subsidiaries) continue to sell shares they don't own, or have the ability to borrow. TD Ameritrade responds not by buying the stock out of the market, to cover their "Shorts," but by refusing their customers their legitimate right to buy more OTC Bulletin Board: CSHD stock. Some Conversion Solutions Holdings Inc. supporters have shared their thoughts and feelings on the forum http://www.**************.com, many of whom vow to press litigation against TD Ameritrade for not allowing them to purchase more CSHD stock. This stock has been on regulation SHO for 25 consecutive days and it has been confirmed that it has been "Shorted" by an objective "Third Party." To peruse this information please visit http://www.**********, they assert, "the 'Shorting' is over...16,000,000 shares with others estimating the 'Shorting' to be as high as 60,000,000."
Currently, the Company has 62,000,000 shares outstanding, and simple calculations would assess a current book value for this company, as of today, at approximately $41.93 per share. Then the sum, when multiplied by a minimum of 16,000,000 shares shorted, comes to minimum of $670,880,000. A market analyst concludes this stock may be conservatively valuated at 2x its book value ($1,341,760,000) or put another way, about 4 times greater than TD Ameritrade's last year's net profit.
Some of TD Ameritrade's clients are already requesting their stock certificates in fear that TD Ameritrade may go under. They are moving their shares to other trading houses that they believe to be less likely to short this stock.
Same reason why Bush doesn't respond to Iran or North Korean threats... we don't deal with wackos. You wanna bet AMTD outlives Rufus?
Posted by Jenna on :
Rufus is no Wacko-
RUFUS = GENIUS
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I'll stick with "Facts, Filings and Figures"
-you can keep your "spin."
Nice chatting with you again ~
Posted by CRab on :
Hey Chart...you see a dip about to come?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Same reason why Bush doesn't respond to Iran or North Korean threats... we don't deal with wackos. You wanna bet AMTD outlives Rufus? [/QB]
sigh~ you just can't lay off the insults can you repo....tsk tsk tsk
Posted by bilgert on :
Don't know what would be a bigger feat- eliminating the shorts, seeing CSHD PPS reach 2x book value (whatever that may be) or potty training a puppy in 8 weeks.
It took me 4 sleepless months, 3 gallons of carpet cleaner, 2 stained rugs and a partridge in a pear tree to get my sweetie trained.
Lotta work, but worth it for my buddy...
One trick- a little penny whistle every time she hikes those legs "TWEEEEET". It scares the sh!t out of them but keeps the pee in 'em. LOL. Then you run em outside and open the flood gates. Got that tip from puppy kindergarten.
quote:Originally posted by betting babe: notice how little im posting
just about poddy trained, but still an 8 wk old baby.
trying to get him set into a schedule so life can move on... i start to travel again tomorrow.
wish rufus would stop playing games. i could really use the time.
~BB
quote:Originally posted by cool AZ: betting babe Member
Member Rated: posted 10-18-2006 11:28 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- duh. rite. i did it on yahoo, but not in TDAm. heah. model moment
It's a "mm" thing huh bb? LOL!! BTW, how's the new addition doing? ... poddy trained yet?
Posted by glassman on :
I would kill to see the proof. When was that, pre '97? If it was after, I would love to see the proof. How did you "watch" them? Were you working in their Clearing dept.?
LOL.... not nearly that long ago..it was right out in the open market.. they allowed their customers to sell shares from a 3 million to one forward split..
they flooded the market with bad shares, then they made the company "go away".... it's MAMG now...
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: I'll stick with "Facts, Filings and Figures"
-you can keep your "spin."
Nice chatting with you again ~
Rufus needs a boogeyman, and AMTD, because of their risk management techniques, was it. Who will he take on next?
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75: Same reason why Bush doesn't respond to Iran or North Korean threats... we don't deal with wackos. You wanna bet AMTD outlives Rufus?
sigh~ you just can't lay off the insults can you repo....tsk tsk tsk [/QB]
I guess ignorance is bliss.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Actually Repo, TDA just applied for a loan and was TURNED DOWN....
Maybe you should think about that....
One gets a loan because they "NEED money"
Have you seen the charts on: CSHD SSSU PYPR !!!!!!!!
They are taking a hit in the "shorts!" IMO ~
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by new2stocks: I don't even go to Ihub anymore....nothing but bs there.
me either...it's been weeks.
Posted by glassman on :
no need to kill anybody Repo...pay me a grand? and i'll put together the proof in a nice presentation packet for you...
Tex'll help me... he was involved too...
we raised a lot of hell over it...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Hey Chart...you see a dip about to come?
don't have the big charts up, but looking at a bar chart of scotty's I'd say no...
Posted by thedoctor on :
Volume is at about 25% for the average day
Posted by 401k on :
Hey Chart...
Maybe Rufus can loan TDA some money soon Let's tack on a little interest and one day change the name to Rufus Trade...
Posted by Jenna on :
Something's wrong with me scottrade screen - it's stuck. It won't refresh.
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Something's wrong with me scottrade screen - it's stuck. It won't refresh.
mine was doing that earlier..
i noticed anothe midwestern poster had problems then too.. maybe they are doing maintenance on the servers for the Northeast now?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
well Repo, that "Chart reading" last night I gave you looks to be right on the money! Told you to look out, -your welcome.....
Told you it "looked" like it was ready to go, but the naked shorting I saw in the indicators is chewing that up too! They are in the RED!
That DFT's crap is really a P.O.S.!
I person "could" make a darn nice living if it wasn't for that, IMO ~
Posted by Jenna on :
Guys- I just checked out CVSU website & it usually has real time quotes but it's stuck on yesterday's close with 0 volume. Any reason for that?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by 401k: Hey Chart...
Maybe Rufus can loan TDA some money soon Let's tack on a little interest and one day change the name to Rufus Trade...
ha ha ~~
I'm sure REPO would LOVE seeing Rufus' face when he signs in every morning!! LOL ~~~
Posted by 10of13 on :
their real time is attached to read CSHD..not CSHDE
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys- I just checked out CVSU website & it usually has real time quotes but it's stuck on yesterday's close with 0 volume. Any reason for that?
Posted by Jenna on :
Thanks Glass
Posted by JohnDoe on :
Whoew................what a ride hahahaha and we're still holding STRONG at 1.80.To all you MORONS that have NS shorts CSHD you can kiss my butt...yea you heard me...492K LONG and STRONG...ok i'll sell it to you for 100.00 hows that.. Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by CRab: Hey Chart...you see a dip about to come?
don't have the big charts up, but looking at a bar chart of scotty's I'd say no...
yeah I suppose there would have to some volume for the price to move, lol...
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys- I just checked out CVSU website & it usually has real time quotes but it's stuck on yesterday's close with 0 volume. Any reason for that?
they are hooked to the old symbol's feed...
you have to change to CSHDE to get the data, and they didn't? Posted by Sandusky on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys- I just checked out CVSU website & it usually has real time quotes but it's stuck on yesterday's close with 0 volume. Any reason for that?
It's because we're trading under CSHDE.
Posted by new2stocks on :
wow alot of bashers out there on the boards...I'm glad we only have one here....lol
Posted by Jenna on :
OOOH DUHHH........sorry & thanx 10.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: their real time is attached to read CSHD..not CSHDE
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys- I just checked out CVSU website & it usually has real time quotes but it's stuck on yesterday's close with 0 volume. Any reason for that?
Posted by Sandusky on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys- I just checked out CVSU website & it usually has real time quotes but it's stuck on yesterday's close with 0 volume. Any reason for that?
they are hooked to the old symbol's feed...
you have to change to CSHDE to get the data, and they didn't?
If they did I would take it as a bad sign.
Posted by cassity on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys- I just checked out CVSU website & it usually has real time quotes but it's stuck on yesterday's close with 0 volume. Any reason for that?
Yea, because they need it to say CSHDE. No E no quote!
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
I am posting this note below (w/o revision) that I PMed to one of the Allstock’s member that I believe is respected as a straight shooter here. Predicated on this member’s feedback, my comfort level increased enough to post it openly….as you will see the reason for my initial hesitancy explained therein…….. .. My phone conversation with Ben was at about 1:30 PM EST today ....FWIW . .I would like see his responses being confirmed…..so if anyone would oblige, I’ll thank you in advance….GLTA ______________________________ Beginning of PM ….“I have been able to get through to Ben Stanley on his cell….took a couple of tries….asked him if he could take a couple moments to discuss the “E” situation….. he indicated his understanding that the E would be removed, believe he said tomorrow, and that could be verified by calling the NASD and that I could call the Conversion’s office and obtain the number for the NASD. I also asked about the CPA consent representation in the 10KSB vs. it not being the standard CPA representation letter describing the Audit Opinion…he responded by saying that the opinion letter was in the 8K and referenced accordingly. He further assured me of his understanding that they (meaning CSHD) are in full compliance with the SEC. He said this twice when I repeated the CPA question in terms of the rumor of the NASD flagging the E because the CPA consent letter was not the actual opinion letter. Again, Ben responded that they are in compliance with the SEC… …..I have to note that the cell connection was a bit fuzzy and that Ben’s speech pattern is no the easiest to understand….yet he seemed calm and un-rushed and pleasant to talk with, although I heard voices in the background and got the impression he was trying to listen to two conversations at the same time (mine and the voices in the background)……and of course I thanked him for the time he took to talk with me, jokingly saying I expect he is a pretty busy guy right now, and he chuckled abit under his breath…..FWIW Anyway, I have not posted this and am hesitant too until I can verify it by talking with another officer in the company or if someone else gets a corresponding response…….I am continuing to try to reach someone in the HQ to ask the same questions…….. Have you been able to talk with anyone there, and if so, could you collaborate the data Ben provided me?”….end of PM
Posted by thedoctor on :
Something might be up
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Guys- I just checked out CVSU website & it usually has real time quotes but it's stuck on yesterday's close with 0 volume. Any reason for that?
Yes, they are showing the CSHD symbol, not the CSHDE symbol.
Posted by thedoctor on :
No trade since 2:23
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: No trade since 2:23
I'm showing 2:47 250 shares...
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: No trade since 2:23
I'm showing 2:47 250 shares...
Finally a half hour WOW very interesting
Posted by St. Matthew on :
Sounds about right...just like Ben. Thanks for the update Bucky. Nice work. BTW...I believe the other management types are out of the office...except for Mitch. I'm sure he has no hair by now.
quote:Originally posted by BuckyBarnes: I am posting this note below (w/o revision) that I PMed to one of the Allstock’s member that I believe is respected as a straight shooter here. Predicated on this member’s feedback, my comfort level increased enough to post it openly….as you will see the reason for my initial hesitancy explained therein…….. .. My phone conversation with Ben was at about 1:30 PM EST today ....FWIW . .I would like see his responses being confirmed…..so if anyone would oblige, I’ll thank you in advance….GLTA ______________________________ Beginning of PM ….“I have been able to get through to Ben Stanley on his cell….took a couple of tries….asked him if he could take a couple moments to discuss the “E” situation….. he indicated his understanding that the E would be removed, believe he said tomorrow, and that could be verified by calling the NASD and that I could call the Conversion’s office and obtain the number for the NASD. I also asked about the CPA consent representation in the 10KSB vs. it not being the standard CPA representation letter describing the Audit Opinion…he responded by saying that the opinion letter was in the 8K and referenced accordingly. He further assured me of his understanding that they (meaning CSHD) are in full compliance with the SEC. He said this twice when I repeated the CPA question in terms of the rumor of the NASD flagging the E because the CPA consent letter was not the actual opinion letter. Again, Ben responded that they are in compliance with the SEC… …..I have to note that the cell connection was a bit fuzzy and that Ben’s speech pattern is no the easiest to understand….yet he seemed calm and un-rushed and pleasant to talk with, although I heard voices in the background and got the impression he was trying to listen to two conversations at the same time (mine and the voices in the background)……and of course I thanked him for the time he took to talk with me, jokingly saying I expect he is a pretty busy guy right now, and he chuckled abit under his breath…..FWIW Anyway, I have not posted this and am hesitant too until I can verify it by talking with another officer in the company or if someone else gets a corresponding response…….I am continuing to try to reach someone in the HQ to ask the same questions…….. Have you been able to talk with anyone there, and if so, could you collaborate the data Ben provided me?”….end of PM
Posted by thedoctor on :
I see a little rise coming
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: No trade since 2:23
I'm showing 2:47 250 shares...
Finally a half hour WOW very interesting
it was only about 13 1/2 mins doc...me thinks your ticker maybe faulty...although...they have only traded 350 shares in the last half hour...
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor:
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: No trade since 2:23
I'm showing 2:47 250 shares...
Finally a half hour WOW very interesting
it was only about 13 1/2 mins doc...me thinks your ticker maybe faulty...
2:23 to 2:47 is what I have 24 minutes....maybe I am screwed up here but that's what I have
Posted by Chartwalker on :
everyones streamers are going screwy today....
Posted by thedoctor on :
WOW...this is good...trading has slowed way down here...I hope my info is correct
Posted by Vin on :
We're still at 1.79, right?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Vin I show 1.83
Posted by thedoctor on :
We might not hit 1M today in volume
Posted by Vin on :
quote:Originally posted by Chartwalker: Vin I show 1.83
hmmm, I'm not. I'll try shutting everything down and see if it resets. Messed up today.
Posted by thedoctor on :
Everyone guess who's selling the cheapest .......
Posted by thedoctor on :
Correct..... NITE
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: Everyone guess who's selling the cheapest .......
lmao.... -if it didn't hurt so much! Posted by glassman on :
Universal Express Comments on Inaccurate OTCBB Filing Error Oct 18, 2006 2:59:00 PM Copyright Business Wire 2006
NEW YORK--(BUSINESS WIRE)--
Universal Express Inc. (OTCBB: USXP), was informed today on an OTCBB website that an "E" suffix was threatened to be applied to Universal Express' ticker symbol due to the Company's prior accountant not filing a letter to announce his retirement and compliance with the accountants who took over his existing clients.
"All of Universal Express' records and filings are up to date and current, and our attorneys and accountants will resolve this unnecessary bureaucratic inconvenience which was not due to any wrong by the Company," said Richard Altomare, Chairman and CEO of Universal Express, Inc.
"Our logistical issue was finding the retired accountant in hours to get his signature. Our reasonable request would have been that we received more than a 24 hour notice to solve this unimportant and inconsequential issue, and that a company is timely informed through authoritative sources, not from websites."
We have today issued the appropriate 8-k filing with the SEC and OTCBB.
"An 'E' often indicates late or critical lapses in reporting. This is our first blush with a missing signature! It will be resolved. If we had been afforded the reasonable time courtesy of a letter instead of a 24 hour threat, this unfortunate and annoying situation would never have occurred. It will be resolved, and we will conduct and request an investigation on how such 24 hour 'E' posting can be so casually implemented without due process and professional courtesy for a company that has filed impeccably for 12 years," concluded Richard Altomare.
About Universal Express
Universal Express, Inc. is a 22 year old logistics and transportation conglomerate with multiple developing subsidiaries and services. For additional information please visit www.usxp.com
Safe Harbor Statement under the Private securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: The statements contained herein, which are not historical, are forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed in the forward-looking statements including, but not limited to, certain delays beyond the Company's control with respect to market acceptance of new technologies, products and services, delays in testing and evaluation of products and services, and other risks detailed from time to time in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission
Source: Universal Express Inc. Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: no need to kill anybody Repo...pay me a grand? and i'll put together the proof in a nice presentation packet for you...
Tex'll help me... he was involved too...
we raised a lot of hell over it...
While I do respect your intelligence, I think you, as well as others, lack the experience of actually working on the inside... just like I lack, as does EVERYONE, lack the experience from working for a MM (still haven't found someone who works for one!). This lack of experience leads to conspiracy theories.
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by JohnDoe: Whoew................what a ride hahahaha and we're still holding STRONG at 1.80.To all you MORONS that have NS shorts CSHD you can kiss my butt...yea you heard me...492K LONG and STRONG...ok i'll sell it to you for 100.00 hows that..
Dude...I want whatever you are on... Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: no need to kill anybody Repo...pay me a grand? and i'll put together the proof in a nice presentation packet for you...
Tex'll help me... he was involved too...
we raised a lot of hell over it...
While I do respect your intelligence, I think you, as well as others, lack the experience of actually working on the inside... just like I lack, as does EVERYONE, lack the experience from working for a MM (still haven't found someone who works for one!). This lack of experience leads to conspiracy theories.
cough it up...
i'll refund it if you can prove i'm wrong...
i'm not...
AMTD playas made thousands while the rest of us watched...
then? they got real worried about being short...
the put the "fix" in? and i missed out on making 100 grand on FREE shares... sheesh.
Posted by Repoman75 on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman:
quote:Originally posted by Repoman75:
quote:Originally posted by glassman: no need to kill anybody Repo...pay me a grand? and i'll put together the proof in a nice presentation packet for you...
Tex'll help me... he was involved too...
we raised a lot of hell over it...
While I do respect your intelligence, I think you, as well as others, lack the experience of actually working on the inside... just like I lack, as does EVERYONE, lack the experience from working for a MM (still haven't found someone who works for one!). This lack of experience leads to conspiracy theories.
cough it up...
i'll refund it if you can prove i'm wrong...
i'm not...
AMTD playas made thousands while the rest of us watched...
then? they got real worried about being short...
Point me to the thread... you had to have talked about it here.. and where is TEx?
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Nice find glass...
Repo, come on... The writing is on the walls all around you ~
Posted by CRab on :
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by JohnDoe: Whoew................what a ride hahahaha and we're still holding STRONG at 1.80.To all you MORONS that have NS shorts CSHD you can kiss my butt...yea you heard me...492K LONG and STRONG...ok i'll sell it to you for 100.00 hows that..
Dude...I want whatever you are on...
he's on CSHD..."It cures what ails ya!!!"
Posted by wallymac on :
OT: but it sure seems pertinent to CSHD today.
USXP .0038
Universal Express Comments on Inaccurate OTCBB Filing Error
Wednesday, October 18 2006 2:59 PM, EST Universal Express Inc. (OTCBB: USXP), was informed today on an OTCBB website that an "E" suffix was threatened to be applied to Universal Express' ticker symbol due to the Company's prior accountant not filing a letter to announce his retirement and compliance with the accountants who took over his existing clients. "All of Universal Express' records and filings are up to date and current, and our attorneys and accountants will resolve this unnecessary bureaucratic inconvenience which was not due to any wrong by the Company," said Richard Altomare, Chairman and CEO of Universal Express, Inc. "Our logistical issue was finding the retired accountant in hours to get his signature. Our reasonable request would have been that we received more than a 24 hour notice to solve this unimportant and inconsequential issue, and that a company is timely informed through authoritative sources, not from websites." We have today issued the appropriate 8-k filing with the SEC and OTCBB. "An 'E' often indicates late or critical lapses in reporting. This is our first blush with a missing signature! It will be resolved. If we had been afforded the reasonable time courtesy of a letter instead of a 24 hour threat, this unfortunate and annoying situation would never have occurred. It will be resolved, and we will conduct and request an investigation on how such 24 hour 'E' posting can be so casually implemented without due process and professional courtesy for a company that has filed impeccably for 12 years," concluded Richard Altomare
Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab:
quote:Originally posted by St. Matthew:
quote:Originally posted by JohnDoe: Whoew................what a ride hahahaha and we're still holding STRONG at 1.80.To all you MORONS that have NS shorts CSHD you can kiss my butt...yea you heard me...492K LONG and STRONG...ok i'll sell it to you for 100.00 hows that..
Dude...I want whatever you are on...
he's on CSHD..."It cures what ails ya!!!"
lol yeah i want whatever u give him lolol
anyway ...a green close would be nice
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
Dang I hate to see what the next few weeks are gonna bring.
??
Should be great! If the E is gone tomorrow tha will be an up day, then with the NAZ PR being talked about so much and Tut mouthing off about the squeeze that might go off, especially with the right PR...
-Heck we have EVERYTHING to look forward to, this is a down day! -and we haven't fallen much at all!
things could hardly be better IMO!!!
Posted by trade04 on :
Umm chart....the E WILL be off tomorrow.....
and umm a removal of E would NOT merit an upday, given they were delinquent to begin with... it will come off tomorrow...and trading will be the same....unless other factors come into play
Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: Umm chart....the E WILL be off tomorrow.....
and umm a removal of E would NOT merit an upday, given they were delinquent to begin with... it will come off tomorrow...and trading will be the same....unless other factors come into play
That's what I said isn't it? The E will be off tomorrow hopefully.... "?"
And yes I think that in itself "could" bring us up.
My point was that there are MANY things that are suppossed to happen here very soon, and that we have these things to look forward to. From FREE shares to possible NAZ PR's!!!
MG! what do ya want?!! ha ha ~~~
Posted by StockterDoLittle on :
We didn’t make today’s list to have the E removed tomorrow. It appears that we may have it for at least another day or two.
1. How do I get the "E" removed from my trading symbol now that my company filings are current? In order to demonstrate compliance with Rule 6530 and get the "E" removed from an issuer's trading symbol, please call the OTCBB Hotline in the OTCBB Issuer Filings Department. Please leave the following information on the voicemail: your name and phone number, the company name and trading symbol, and filng type and date submitted. It is important to note that you will not receive a return call if your filing compliance is confirmed. Instead, you should check the Daily List for confirmation that your trading symbol will be changed to remove the "E" on the following business date. If compliance is not demonstrated before the publication time of the Daily List, approximately 2:00 PM, then it may not be possible to remove the "E" in time for the next trading day. In that case, you should check the Daily List the day after you call the hotline for notification that the symbol will be changed at the opening of the market on the second day after you made the call to demonstrate compliance. 2. How long does it take to get an "E" removed from my trading symbol? Generally, it takes one business day after compliance is verified. However, depending on timing of the company's filing and verification by NASDAQ, it may take two business days.
I hope it will be removed tomorrow. Sure would be nice.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
nice find stocker...
That's why I don't say things "WILL" happen.
Posted by SherriT on :
I'm ready for that PR saying the NAZ is coming - but something tells me that Rufie will make sure the shares are delivered prior to the NAZ move....and I think the 10Q will be right there in short order with it all.
Posted by thedoctor on :
This is the strangest thing I can ever remember.......I had an office on Ave Of the Americas (6th Ave)for many years and I can never recall something like this happening ...A change in listing.......when a company officer didn't address it immediately. I have dealt with many....there must be some type of logical solution to this but I can't come close to figuring it out. Why wouldn't it be addressed ? Someone please try to give me some kind of reasonable solution. I'd rather hear it from Rufus or Sabra... not Tut. GLTA
Posted by SherriT on :
You know, much has been made about the E...we know it is there, the MMs know it is there, and to me, that is where most of our buying is going to come from in the next few days. I am actually as unconcerned right now as I have been at any other time with this stock....JMHO
Posted by bigstocks on :
SherryT Im not concerned either. Didnt tank today as predicted by someone and theres been some good buying. JMHO
Posted by glassman on :
Dang I hate to see what the next few weeks are gonna bring.
139 posts?? Great, I've got some reading to do. See you next month.
like i said? for a grand? i'll put it all into a nice presentation package forya...
fact: AMTD players sold hundreds of millions of shares befoer they were available to everybody else... the only way that could have happened is because AMTD didn't bother to verify the existence of the shares.. the solution was to force the company to issue, then RS them while trading was halted...
BUT? most of US never saw the shares until after the halt.. AMTDers made out pretty well on that i didn't...
i have to add this litttel jibe at Tex... Scottrade might have let us sell too if soembody hadn't called them up and told them something was wrong Posted by trade04 on :
nope you said "Should be great! If the E is gone tomorrow " the IF is what i was responding to =)
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
WAKE UP!
If you are convinced that the E will be off tomorrow (or soon) do what I did! BUY MORE!
When the E is gone the panic will subside and the price should go back up to where it was yesterday EOD. Let's see, buy 1,000 shares at 1.85 today then sell 1,000 shares at 2.15 tomorrow after the E is gone...Quick $300.00. If news comes out it'll only make it go higher.
Faith = Rufus!
Posted by Chartwalker on :
I think that's about as Black and White as it gets glassman ~ "Agreed" Posted by Chartwalker on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04: nope you said "Should be great! If the E is gone tomorrow " the IF is what i was responding to =)
...well right, -cause it hasn't happened yet. Posted by Chartwalker on :
wow this is like watch hair grow!! LOL ~~
Sure beats PRAYING for the bell to ring though Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: WAKE UP!
If you are convinced that the E will be off tomorrow (or soon) do what I did! BUY MORE!
When the E is gone the panic will subside and the price should go back up to where it was yesterday EOD. Let's see, buy 1,000 shares at 1.85 today then sell 1,000 shares at 2.15 tomorrow after the E is gone...Quick $300.00. If news comes out it'll only make it go higher.
Faith = Rufus!
wow man, you should like..start a stock picker site...lmao...
Posted by Chartwalker on :
was that a fat finger or did someone really want about $20,000.00 worth at 1.93!
Posted by CRab on :
apparently someone wanted some shares...
a 10k share trans went though .10 above the ask...it coulda been a fatty though...
Posted by thedoctor on :
Reached 1M in Volume.... Its about a 33% day
Posted by driver4t3 on :
probably the only way it would have been filled, d*mn mms.
Posted by thedoctor on :
NITE is on top both ways
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: NITE is on top both ways
Now THAT sounds kinky... Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by mo-rydr:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: NITE is on top both ways
Now THAT sounds kinky...
He probably will be getting kinky trying to cover before the big move.... Posted by thedoctor on :
LOL
Posted by Chartwalker on :
-I was thinking that! ha ha ~
Posted by Stockstar69 on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04:
quote:Originally posted by Stockstar69: WAKE UP!
If you are convinced that the E will be off tomorrow (or soon) do what I did! BUY MORE!
When the E is gone the panic will subside and the price should go back up to where it was yesterday EOD. Let's see, buy 1,000 shares at 1.85 today then sell 1,000 shares at 2.15 tomorrow after the E is gone...Quick $300.00. If news comes out it'll only make it go higher.
Faith = Rufus!
wow man, you should like..start a stock picker site...lmao...
Thanks Trade Can I be the herder of the Sheeple?
Sometimes you just have to put your money where your mouth is...even if your wrong at least you did what you thought was right.
Posted by thedoctor on :
It's fantastic that this stock has held together like this today. It very easily could have "tanked". I wouldn't sell one share of this.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
We think alike doc!
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: It's fantastic that this stock has held together like this today. It very easily could have "tanked". I wouldn't sell one share of this.
Good job for you Doc. And it could still very easily tank just as well as it didn't.
Everyone make sure to protect your capital to keep you in the game! Just in case CYOA!!!
Posted by CRab on :
so did tut ever make his super important groundbreaking announcement?
Posted by dollar13 on :
while we still dreaming here , does anybody find out when the "e" will be remove from this symbol????
Posted by thedoctor on :
quote:Originally posted by dollar13: while we still dreaming here , does anybody find out when the "e" will be remove from this symbol????
I hope so....I would not want to go through another day like this. I hope Tut wasn't just blowing out hot air. I hope he knows something is being done like he said.
Posted by new2stocks on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: so did tut ever make his super important groundbreaking announcement?
Nope still waiting....and waiting....
Posted by a surfer on :
Hey guys been gone all day.. You did a hell of a job today. I think if this were any other otcbb the E would have tanked it.
Yet another testimonial to the strength of what we have here.
Should I buy more.... LOL
Posted by St. Matthew on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: so did tut ever make his super important groundbreaking announcement?
Nope...just checked...I think he usually starts posting right about now.
Posted by dollar13 on :
actually this tank today from:
yesterday close at 2.02
today close at 1.81
do the math
LOL
i mean i dont know Posted by thedoctor on :
HSm....
Torque... I just got off the phone with Mitch (CVSU). The E was added in error. According to him the company is compliant with filings.
Posted by thedoctor on :
I have Sabra on the line
Posted by thedoctor on :
I was shocked
Posted by dollar13 on :
yep that is for sure we will see more filings before the "e" could be remove..!*
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: HSm....
Torque... I just got off the phone with Mitch (CVSU). The E was added in error. According to him the company is compliant with filings.
So that is why it held up like it did?
Did Sabra say its ok to sell yesterday to meet bills and buy back later for the 6 to 1 free shares?
Posted by CRab on :
awesome doc...ask about people buying now...are the shares coming with the six extra...also ask if when you sell do you keep the extra six?
I don't care either way(although I did buy more today) but others are still not sure...
Posted by bigstocks on :
Did they say if it will come off tomorrow?
Posted by thedoctor on :
She was pis*ed and said it was a mistake. They have been told that it would be removed asap. I asked if it would be off tomorrow and she said that she hoped so....but couldn't guarantee that because of the games that are being played. She feels that in all probability the answer is YES. She said that Rufus has been on the phone with the SEC all day and they have apologized for the error. She was very excited about this going on. She seemed very angry over the E and said there will be a quick change to this nonsense.
Posted by thedoctor on :
I am sure it was her because I have talked with her before.
Posted by SherriT on :
Did she say anything else?
Posted by bigstocks on :
Thanks. Doc
Posted by new2stocks on :
Good work doc!
Posted by dollar13 on :
a filing will be first then "e" will go away
right VETS ?
Posted by 66inxs on :
if they were so pis*ed, why didn't the company issue a pr on it to protect the sharegolder's interests? it wouldn't have taken very long to do so.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: if they were so pis*ed, why didn't the company issue a pr on it to protect the sharegolder's interests? it wouldn't have taken very long to do so.
Personally, I think they knew that we knew it was a screw up....
Posted by thedoctor on :
We talked about the games being played and how everything was going to come out perfectly. She said to tell the shareholders to keep up the faith because they have it under control 100%. She also said that it is unbelieveable the games the shorties are playing. They (the Shorties) got hurt bad today.
Posted by BuckyBarnes on :
Evidence of manipulation this afternoon, a trade for $1.93 for 10,000 shares occurs - when the b/a is in 1.81 x 1.84 range and does not budge upward instead the b/a continues to lower till the bell to 1.80 x 1.82? .
1.83 1500 OBB 15:53:46 1.85 370 OBB 15:51:44 1.85 3500 OBB 15:51:44 1.93 10000 OBB 15:51:16 . . . .You tell me! ...........Oh well....par for the course today I imagine... . . ..staying and anticipating the next PR- 8K
Posted by 66inxs on :
sherri i hope you're right, but a pr would have made everyone's day go better and maybe even green !
Posted by thedoctor on :
Sherry...I am pis*ed now. I forgot to ask that. Good point.
Posted by dollar13 on :
quote:Originally posted by CRab: awesome doc...ask about people buying now...are the shares coming with the six extra...also ask if when you sell do you keep the extra six?
I don't care either way(although I did buy more today) but others are still not sure...
that is a good question....
IMHO no you wont get those extra shares if you buy or sell right now .....
Posted by 66inxs on :
if you take .20 times 7 times the number of shares you own it should be quite a bit of value we lost today, so i would have expected the courtesy of a pr from rufus saying what butts the sec was for putting that e on there, plus a copy of what they provided the sec with to fix it.
Posted by a surfer on :
way to go doc... I can imagine Rufus gave the SEC hell today and who knows this may have been the extra spark Rufus needed to get her done even faster. It may backfire on the shorts BIGTIME!
Posted by thedoctor on :
I am off the phone now. I wouldn't even think of selling my shares. I wouldn't take the chance of losing the extra shares. If it didn't tank today it should continue ti rise in the future.
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by 66inxs: sherri i hope you're right, but a pr would have made everyone's day go better and maybe even green !
Like I said earlier, today was one of the least stressful of my months in CSHD. I really don't expect to see much even in the next week, unless of course they announce an imminent move to NASD. If shorty has taken this long to cover, he won't do it until the very last second - the games to shake shares have obviously not worked, he'll spend his time trying to come up with the money to pay for it all....daytrading isn't going to give him enough to do it.
Posted by lostone on :
but what kinda BS mistake is that.. giving an "E" when it was already filed.. looks like SEC on MM's payroll..
Posted by SherriT on :
quote:Originally posted by lostone: but what kinda BS mistake is that.. giving an "E" when it was already filed.. looks like SEC on MM's payroll..
Someone on this thread pointed out earlier today that at least one other company had this happen to them - sounds like several stocks were in the same boat, and someone at the SEC just didn' remove them from the E list in time.
66, .20 is a lot of value for sure, but how many days in just the last week have we seen it spread .75 or more in a day? Unless you are planning to dump prior to the 30th and/or getting those extra shares, I would almost just not pay any attention....JMHO
(Edit: the only reason I am paying attention is because I want to see when the squeeze starts and how fast it goes. Never watched one the likes of what this should be...)
Posted by new2stocks on :
From what I have heard from members on other boards who have called the SEC that the reason for the "E" is because it appeared to be that their filings were on time, but the OTCBB decided to add the e because their file did not contain the audited comitte report so it is not considered completely filed untill that report is attached.
FWIW~
Posted by 66inxs on :
if it is a mistake the e should come off tomorrow. if it doesn't, mr rufus has some explaining to do imho, someone has already posted that chsd is not pn the list to have the e removed on page 116 or 117. they started celebrating too early.
Posted by lostone on :
man, they're picking on us Pennies.. I would demand for an internal investigation.. cuz this is just too much of a coincidence.. Rufus should demand a public apology PR from them, but that may get CSHD on bad terms w/ them.. o well.. screw it.. screw them..
Posted by mo-rydr on :
Thanks Doc, did she mention anything about a PR?
Posted by new2stocks on :
sherri i am still holding right now but rufus is too sloppy with dates, filings, etc, but he is a genius to work a play like this. i just hope this doesn't get to be a race to sell on the 30th, that's why i want to see rufus taking fast decisive action. jmho.
Posted by RyanPBF on :
there should've been a pr from the company addressing this.
Posted by dollar13 on :
maybe i am wrong but RUFUS have to show another 10k filing.
i am just a newbie
Posted by mo-rydr on :
quote:Originally posted by a surfer: way to go doc... I can imagine Rufus gave the SEC hell today and who knows this may have been the extra spark Rufus needed to get her done even faster. It may backfire on the shorts BIGTIME!
Hehehe... surf, could you imagine the way that conversation would have gone? Now a recording of that would go over BIG on the radio show tonight. Posted by Jenna on :
Just an FYI- I have the news on & they said that a few NFL statiums were threatened with Dirty Bombs for this weekend- they mentioned - Giants stadium, Miami, Atlanta, Seattle, Houston, & Cleveland.
They also said that the government doesn't think it's real but notified the stadiums anyway.
Posted by MoneyMoneyMoney on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: We talked about the games being played and how everything was going to come out perfectly. She said to tell the shareholders to keep up the faith because they have it under control 100%. She also said that it is unbelieveable the games the shorties are playing. They (the Shorties) got hurt bad today.
hey doc, how'd they get hurt today when we lost 20cents on every share? Just curious?
Posted by Vin on :
Am I wrong in this assumption. The more people that are currently entitled to the extra shares who sell and lose out on them are actually helping those who stick this out? There would be less extra shares issued which could have a positive influence on the PPS.
Posted by Jenna on :
The only thing Vin is someone said that when they sell & lose there 6 extra that it actually helps the shorts, but I'm not sure how, all I know is I'm stickin'.
Posted by bigstocks on :
CSHD only made one one list today at Aturd but it sure had some good numbers in it. Posted by Igor R on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: The only thing Vin is someone said that when they sell & lose there 6 extra that it actually helps the shorts, but I'm not sure how, all I know is I'm stickin'.
Because then the shorts won't have to cover those 6 extra shares.
Posted by Chartwalker on :
Doc.. Outstanding job sir! Thank you for sharing ~
They aren't going to get ANY of my shares either!
Risk vs reward is off the scale! IMO.
Everyone do what you want. But as many "storms" as we have been thru, this one will pass too!
Sounds like a BIG BS play to me!!! Doesn't it people? Come on!!
The NAZ and a count of the shares with that 10q will save us, we won't get justice here in OTC.
So hold long and strong! IMO!!!
Bright days ahead peeps, if I thought differently I would say so, those that know me know I don't play games or outright lie.
I'm here to help ~
Rest easy tonight, everything will fall into place I feel. ONLY those that flipped out are saying gloom and doom so they can buy back in cheap.
"You must stand for something, or you will fall for anything."
Peace out ~ Chart
Posted by Doniboy on :
OK, I just got in. I have been out all day. What the heck happened? Why is there an E on our symbol?
Posted by Doniboy on :
Nobody here tonight?
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Hi doni, bit of a mystery as of yet!
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Company explaining it as a mistake, unofficially, sec say a document was missing from the filing! Need any more info, i am around for a while. Posted by glassman on :
the company should have cut-n-pasted more from the 8K maybe?
they did LINK it....
9.1
The Audited Financials of CSHD are incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act).
at least nobody can say the SEC didn't/doesn't look at these...
we saw lots of evidence this was gonna happen last night...
Posted by fhalyesss on :
Glass was that link really not enough? Justifiable of an E? From what the Doc said the company feel upset.
Posted by trade04 on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: We talked about the games being played and how everything was going to come out perfectly. She said to tell the shareholders to keep up the faith because they have it under control 100%. She also said that it is unbelieveable the games the shorties are playing. They (the Shorties) got hurt bad today.
oh and i thought it was so funny "She was very mad, and rufus was on the phone "ALL DAY" (i hope that isnt true) with the sec" lmaooooo all this for an E we all know is going away....lol.... About the shorts: ummmmm....hurt how? it looks to me like it went down which would be good for them\, correct me if im wrong...
Posted by driver4t3 on :
cut and paste from HSM; from tut.
Shareholders I just talked with Ben. The "E" will be off in the morning and I can tell you the company is not too happy and they are getting answers right now how and why this happened and from the sounds of it they may be ready to make the move much quicker than expected because of this. Hold strong because they are now going to take very strong and quick action especially because of this. This has now come down to the point where they will not give the shorts any mercy whatsoever. From my talk with Ben it sounds like they are now going to drop the big bombshell.
Posted by nwafloat on :
Jenna;
Thank you for the PM. I tried to reply, but your box was apparently full. Actually I received quite a few nice PM's and have responded to all. Yours was the only full box.
Just wanted to say thanks.
Posted by wallymac on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: the company should have cut-n-pasted more from the 8K maybe?
they did LINK it....
9.1
The Audited Financials of CSHD are incorporated herein by this reference to 8-K/A [html][text] 500 KB [Amend] Current report, item 2.01 Acc-no: 0001297077-06-000068 (34 Act).
at least nobody can say the SEC didn't/doesn't look at these...
we saw lots of evidence this was gonna happen last night...
From what I am gathering it was the letter from the Auditor,Thomas Benson. It was referenced in the 10K as being in the 8K but OTCBB wants it inculded in the 10K. Small detail. Almost the same situation as with USXP that I posted earlier.
GLTA Wally
Posted by Jenna on :
quote:Originally posted by trade04:
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: We talked about the games being played and how everything was going to come out perfectly. She said to tell the shareholders to keep up the faith because they have it under control 100%. She also said that it is unbelieveable the games the shorties are playing. They (the Shorties) got hurt bad today.
oh and i thought it was so funny "She was very mad, and rufus was on the phone "ALL DAY" (i hope that isnt true) with the sec" lmaooooo all this for an E we all know is going away....lol.... About the shorts: ummmmm....hurt how? it looks to me like it went down which would be good for them\, correct me if im wrong...
Just my opinion but Sabra may have meant, that the "e" should have helped the shorts but actually a lot of people held today. The volume was no where near where it has been & I believe that some of the volume is the MM selling back & forth& also the longs picking up more shares. I may be wrong but it's my opinion. I think the shorts are going to soon realize (or they already do) that nothings shaking our shares loose.
Hold Strong. Sell * 7 ($700 that is)!!!! Posted by Jenna on :
Nwafloat- thank for telling me- I'm going to go clear it out now. I didn't know. No wonder I didn't get any PM's today. I thought all my friends were mad at me!! Posted by Jenna on :
Nwafloat- what's goin' on? Did you ever get your answers?
Posted by Jenna on :
Simon is talking about Allstocks right now........
Posted by Jenna on :
He's talking about a thread about CSHD on Allstocks...........
Posted by Jenna on :
He's saying how someone brought up how the 6 shares are bogus because he did not give 10 days notice..........(I don't remember that)
Posted by Jenna on :
Simon is going to have a SEC lawyer on Monday night to talk about if what Rufus did is legit.
Posted by luvforever on :
So no pr nothing yet...Guess we wait...have a good night all Posted by Jenna on :
Simon talking about the "e".........
couldn't understand what was going on last night- how everything disappeared (news)(filings) & said -0-.
said this stock is fun....almost better than the Sopranos.....
Posted by Jenna on :
On Monday the SEC lawyer coming on the show (SubpennyRadio) on Monday will clarify the 10 day rule.
Posted by Jenna on :
I see that I am talking to myself so this lonesome girl is takin' off......ba bye.
Posted by glassman on :
i'm listening:
Posted by Jenna on :
Oh...Hi Glass!
Simon's talking about a different stock now...blah blah blah.....
Posted by MTPromises on :
I'm also listening - odd as it may seem . . . a man listening to a woman:)
Posted by wallymac on :
Here's the letter that OTCBB wants incorporated into the 10K not referenced.
Thomas Benson, C.P.A. Certified Public Accountant 4599 Mistywood Drive Okemos, MI 48864
Board of Directors Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. A Development Stage Company 125 Townpark Drive, Suite 300 Kennesaw, GA 30144
REPORT OF INDEPENDENT REGISTERED PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRM
The Board of Directors and Stockholders of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp.
We have audited the accompanying balance sheet of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. as of June 30, 2006 and the related statements of operations, and stockholders' equity (deficit) and cash flows, for the year ended June 30, 2006. These financial statements are the responsibility of the Company's management. Our responsibility is to express an opinion on these financial statements based on our audits.
We conducted our audit in accordance with the auditing standards of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board (United States). Those standards require that we plan and perform the audit to obtain reasonable assurance about whether the financial statements are free of material misstatement. We were not engaged to perform an audit of internal control over financial reporting. Our audits include consideration of internal control over financial reporting as a basis for designing audit procedures that are appropriate in the circumstances, but not for the purpose of expressing an opinion on the effectiveness of the Company's internal control over financial reporting. Accordingly, we express no such opinion.
An audit includes examining, on a test basis, evidence supporting the amounts and disclosure in the financial statements, assessing the accounting principles used and significant estimates made by management, and evaluating the overall financial statement presentation. We believe that our audit provides a reasonable basis for our opinion.
In our opinion, the financial statements referred to above present fairly, in all material respects, the financial position of Conversion Solutions Holdings Corp. as of June 30, 2006 and the results of its operations and its cash flows for the year ended June 30, 2006 in conformity with accounting principles generally accepted in the United States of America.
-S- Thomas Benson ____________________
THOMAS BENSON, C.P.A.
September 28, 2006
Okemos, MI 48864
Posted by Jenna on :
HAHAHAH
Posted by Jo4321 on :
I'm kind of glad it's quiet. No late night Rufus interviews to keep us up late.
Jo
Posted by MTPromises on :
seems odd to me that Rufus and gang would make reference to the letter in the 8K when in fact they were supposed to physically insert the letter in the 10K - after all, why would they think they could just reference it in the 8K unless they were told they could do so? Because referencing it in the 8K doesn't seem like something one would be "naturally" inclined to do.
Posted by Jenna on :
I was hoping Rufus would call in tonight or Simon would call Rufie to talk about the "e".
Do you guys think that they really did forget to put something into the 10K? I would think that if it was an error that Rufus would've put out a PR right away.
What do you think?
Posted by SherriT on :
Hi all, home with the family, about to kick back and watch a little ball, have a drink, and make my shopping list for Dec. 1st. Baby girl just requested a tuck in, so you guys keep everything together until the AM - and Jenna, PM me if anything comes up so I don't have to read 25 pages - LMAO!
Night!
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: I was hoping Rufus would call in tonight or Simon would call Rufie to talk about the "e".
Do you guys think that they really did forget to put something into the 10K? I would think that if it was an error that Rufus would've put out a PR right away.
What do you think?
i've posted the page where teh supposedly missing letter was linked several times today...
Rufus LINKED it to the filed 8K... which the SEC already had..
he didn't forget...
the SEC doesn't seem to like the link...
i didn't call compliance myself and ask...
it doesn't matter
Posted by 10of13 on :
Not sure it seems real odd to me...In ones mind the SEC already has a copy...so simply make the reference... IF THIS is the problem...I can understand the mistake...
quote:Originally posted by MTPromises: seems odd to me that Rufus and gang would make reference to the letter in the 8K when in fact they were supposed to physically insert the letter in the 10K - after all, why would they think they could just reference it in the 8K unless they were told they could do so? Because referencing it in the 8K doesn't seem like something one would be "naturally" inclined to do.
Posted by Jenna on :
If they already have the link...they shouldn't of had a problem with it...oh well, done & over with...
Simon was just asked if Rufus will call.... Simon doesn't know.
Posted by Jenna on :
Sher- If I hear anything I'll PM ya
Posted by glassman on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: If they already have the link...they shouldn't of had a problem with it...oh well, done & over with...
Simon was just asked if Rufus will call.... Simon doesn't know.
well? i've noticed there's a lot of people like sourstreet reporting every little detail to the SEC... sure is nice to know we have such generous people looking out for US... LOL...
he seems to think he's some sort of SEC bounty hunter...
i wonder how many wives have left him? Posted by Jo4321 on :
Disclosure: I bought back in yesterday with my profits
My concern here is not so much the "E" getting tacked on, but the fact that all the filings have mysteriously disappeared from Edgar and SEC Sites. What's up with that?
Jo
Posted by TimW on :
What better way to catch more flippers and shorters than to add an "E" and let it drop again.
Posted by 10of13 on :
LOL..Jenna...if he calls, don't listen...you'll be up all night...
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: If they already have the link...they shouldn't of had a problem with it...oh well, done & over with...
Simon was just asked if Rufus will call.... Simon doesn't know.
Posted by tyleemary on :
quote:Originally posted by glassman: i'm listening:
I'm WATCHING. YEAH BABY !!!
Posted by TimW on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Disclosure: I bought back in yesterday with my profits
My concern here is not so much the "E" getting tacked on, but the fact that all the filings have mysteriously disappeared from Edgar and SEC Sites. What's up with that?
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Disclosure: I bought back in yesterday with my profits
My concern here is not so much the "E" getting tacked on, but the fact that all the filings have mysteriously disappeared from Edgar and SEC Sites. What's up with that?
Jo
Jo...I don't understand what you mean......I go to Edgar and see them all.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
quote:Originally posted by Jo4321: Disclosure: I bought back in yesterday with my profits
My concern here is not so much the "E" getting tacked on, but the fact that all the filings have mysteriously disappeared from Edgar and SEC Sites. What's up with that?
Jo
What are you smoking Jo? 10KSB and 10KSBA are still right where we left them.
quote:Originally posted by 10of13: Not sure it seems real odd to me...In ones mind the SEC already has a copy...so simply make the reference... IF THIS is the problem...I can understand the mistake...
quote:Originally posted by MTPromises: seems odd to me that Rufus and gang would make reference to the letter in the 8K when in fact they were supposed to physically insert the letter in the 10K - after all, why would they think they could just reference it in the 8K unless they were told they could do so? Because referencing it in the 8K doesn't seem like something one would be "naturally" inclined to do.
Everyone did a great job today holding through what was a simple mistake in filing and something that is easily corrected. From here we will continue on as planned.
Remember, the SEC is a bureaucracy, filled with everyday people trying to do their jobs just like the rest of the world. There are rules set in place and the person at the SEC that processed this filing was simply adhering to the letter of the rule. Another person might have let it slide.
This was not a big conspiracy by the MMs or by the SEC; this was simply a filing that needed to conform to the SECs very strict regulations. That is all... and the merket did not overreact. Now did the MMs try to take advantage of the extra day and confusion? You can be sure.
My company deals with filing documents with all 50 states and every county in every state on behalf of some of the largest law firms in the country. I will be the first to tell you that things get flagged and rejected for all kinds of reasons - bar codes misaligned, font sizes incorrect, required information missing. In many of these cases the very same filing would have been accepted in a different time and place with a different person reviewing it.
Now that this is behind us we can move on. This is not a black mark on the competency of CSHD or the SEC. The filng will be corrected, compliance will be met and the game will go on.
... In My humble opinion
Posted by Jenna on :
Glass - Sourstreets had at least 7 wives...I think his longest marriage was 3 weeks..and she must've been a Saint to last that long...
10- I don't think he's gonna call in & if he did I don't think I'd be able to stay up - still shot from commentating the other night!
Jo- Are the doc's still missing? I didn't know that...I'll check.
FYI- Today I emailed the SEC to ask about the rules for the share issuance...I'm sure Rufus knows the rules.. I'm not worried * ALL!! It would just be nice to have something in writing from SEC in case people are wondering.... we'll see what comes first Simon's show Mon. with the lawyer on it or my email...somehow I think Monday will come first!
Posted by Jo4321 on :
LOL! Guess I'm loopy from all the late nights and early mornings.
I was hitting the wrong button. I hit "retrieve selected filings" instead of "retrieve ALL filings".
But I thought I read something while I was at school this morning that the filings weren't showing up on SEC.
Glad to know they are there!
Jo
Posted by thedoctor on :
In my Humble opinion (no pun intended), there was no omition. If there was, they wouldn't has been so pis*ed. I think there was a mistake on the part of the people supplying the list to the firms. I may be way off base, but why would you be so mad if you didn't do it correct ?
Posted by thesource on :
quote:Originally posted by TimW: What better way to catch more flippers and shorters than to add an "E" and let it drop again.
I doubt that the E was planned by anyone at CSHD . We are very lucky it only dropped what it did given the confusion and fear surrounding this stock .
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Simon is going to have a SEC lawyer on Monday night to talk about if what Rufus did is legit.
I feel compelled to reiterate a point I addressed last evening. The NASD notification is not a request for approval, just a notification of the new share structure that CSHD plans to register. By law they have every right to restrusture their shares after a corp to corp merger. They will notify the NASD and I believe the S3 serves the purpose of registering those shares for trading (not my area of expertise). The 10 day notification requirement should have been met by Oct 30th, the announced payment date for the final consideration of the merger - the shares in the merged entity.
Everything to date is moving along with all the best intentions to meet all requirements. There are no hidden games. Confusion comes from the fact that very few, if any, of us are experts in the laws governing mergers in the state of Delaware, arguably the state burdened with more corporate regulations than any other state in the U.S. Why do you think most companies incorporate in DE? - more loopholes/flexibility/benefits. Add into that the additional regulations and you get a very complicated environment in which to operate.
There may be a few procedural bumps along the way but these hurdles are not unique to CSHD; they happen all the time. Anyone out there ever buy a house and get stuck at the closing table because of a tiny problem? If not, you are one of the lucky ones.
I am very pleased with the price stability today in the face of a confusing situation. CSHD management took care of the problem quickly and we are ready to move on.
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by Jenna on :
Intersting........Simon just said that he was expecting a call tonight from someone & we would have gotten a "kick" out of it, but that person never called & he said this person was NOT Rufus or Michael Alexander.........could he have been expecting Tut?......'
Humble - thank you for your posts they are truely uplifting!
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by thedoctor: In my Humble opinion (no pun intended), there was no omition. If there was, they wouldn't has been so pis*ed. I think there was a mistake on the part of the people supplying the list to the firms. I may be way off base, but why would you be so mad if you didn't do it correct ?
I disagree about CSHD's reaction. In their minds everything was correct. In the interpretation of the SEC there was something that needed to be corrected. An omission is not the only thing that can cause a discrepancy. Something as simple as a linked document could certainly do itif the processor were working through a checklist. We might never know what caused the SEC to require additional action on the filing or if this was simply a clerical mistake that never should of happened. However, I would not be surprised if it was, in fact, the SEC requiring something of CSHD and, if that was the case, it is no big deal. We all saw the filing. It is done.
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by Jenna on :
Humble, Doc is referring to the coversation he had with Sabra today. She told him that everyone at the office were very upset about it today.
Posted by 10of13 on :
Just a thought...IF the SEC does not consider the 10K as filed? Does this mean that the info about the 1;6 shares and the date of the 16th will all need to be changed? Will the 10 day notice to the SEC have been met? Anyone have a thought on that? Nothing else in this play had been "normal" gotta wonder if that won't also have to change...
Posted by Jenna on :
10- Simon just said that he will have a SEC lawyer on Mon. - He is reviewing the 10K & will be taking questions from Simon & listeners - that would be a good question for him.
Posted by Bob Frey on :
Please start a new thread with a link to this one.
Posted by humble on :
quote:Originally posted by Jenna: Humble, Doc is referring to the coversation he had with Sabra today. She told him that everyone at the office were very upset about it today.
Understood. All of our clients that attempt to file documents and end up having to spend additional time working with a seemingly incompetent agency at any level feel that they were in the right and thusly have justification to be upset, even to the point of irate. Sabra can feel that CSHD was in the right and, at the same time, the SEC can feel that they were simply enforcing their rules. The two are not mutually exclusive. All that matters is that the situation was resolved.
We should not be naive enough to believe that even the almighty Rufus and Co. can overcome the inherent difficulties of dealing with large (quasi) governmental agencies.
... In My humble Opinion
Posted by Jenna on :
Simon said someone just sent him a message that they talked to Ben Stanley & that he (Ben) will be posting on HSM within the hour.
Posted by Jenna on :
Humble- I see the point your conveying & I agree - "bumps in the road" like CSHD is having is the story of my life too.
Posted by TaxBack04 on :
From HSM:
Originally Posted by tutankhamen Shareholders. I have just had a very long discussion with Ben Stanley and I will providing you a full update in the next little while. What I can tell you right now is that every shareholder will get exactly what they have been told by Rufus and no one has anything to worry about. Hold tight because every shareholder will be rewarded for their loyalty to the company.
I just finished talking with Ben again and I believe you can expect that he will come on the board and give you and update here himself within the next half hour or so. So if you have any questions please have them ready but use only one spokesperson if you can to make it easier.
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