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No doubt you don't, which isn't any big surprise.
And though you heard her repeat almost exactly the same BS about oil and the same BS about coal and the same BS about nuclear power, and push the same lying BS about Iraq and terrorism, you "don't think she is like that".
No doubt you don't, which isn't any big surprise.
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True enough...but like it or not, she was what McCain needed to win this election...
Before tonite I would have bet on Obama winning...but now, I believe McCain has a very good chance of pulling it off.
quote:Originally posted by bdgee: Ok, I watched the speach and listened intently and here is what I observed:
Dick Chaney in a skirt........same beliefs and platitudes and with the same cockeyed grin when trying to pass off a tremendous lie as fact. (And, I'm sorry, but all that claimed beauty and cuteness is long long gone.)
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Ok, enough screwing around. I hate sharing my political leanings on a chat board but seriously, how can anyone form an opinion about either candidate based on their convention speeches, or any other speech for that matter? I'm sure her speech tonight stirred the hearts of many republicans just as Obama's did for the democrats. McCain's will do the same. It's all the same political love talk though, they're all saying the same thing. "Let's pull ourselves up by the bootstraps! We can do it bcause doshgonnit, we're Americans and we're strong!"
There's simply no way to develop an informed decision anymore. Their rhetoric is nothing more than feel good and their attacks on each other are at best full of half truths and at worst a whole bunch of burying the real facts. But, if it yields them a quarter point bump in the polls? Well then it's all good, run with it, damage control later. Sadly, all political campaigns are now reduced to targeting the lowest common denominator, those that won't dig beneath the spew they see on television or simply don't care anymore.
To me, there's just no such thing as a democrat or a republican anymore. Those party ideals that were once the foundations were abandoned eons ago. If you blindly throw your loyalty at a candidate based on party, you're a fool because there simply isn't any difference between the two anymore. Obama's going to shake up Washington because he's new, young and not a lifer, right? No, wait, McCain is the candidate of change because his running mate governs Alaska so she's out of the Washington loop and he lived in a pile of chit some 40 years ago so he's tough, right? Sorry, wrong on both counts. Just more of the same either way.
This country needed a wake up call so long ago that now, it just might be beyond our grasp. We (the citizenry) are viewed as morons and treated as such regardless of who is in office and there's no way to change that under the current conditions. As much as I hate to say it, we need an old fashioned peoples revolution to right this sinking ship because neither one of our two "choices" are going to be anything more than a stopgap. Maybe one of them will figure out a way to keep their finger in the dyke a bit longer than the other but the end result will be the same.
Screw it, I'm going to write in Relentless on my ballot. Might be the only vote he gets but dammit, it's for the good of the country. By the way, is Ross Perot still alive?
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quote:Originally posted by retiredat49: That's exactly what I've been saying for quite some time now...There really is NO choice anymore. Relentless gets my vote...
That's two votes then. How many does it take to constitute a "grass roots" movement?
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We (the citizenry) are viewed as morons and treated as such regardless of who is in office and there's no way to change that under the current conditions.
the worst part is how many people just nod their heads...
the Dem convention was boring, but tonight the GOP convention was just plain sad.
i don't know how low the average IQ is at the convention, but i heard lie after lie...
and the heads just nodded...
"more executive experience"? i mean how dumb do these guys think we are...
her "hometown" had a population of 5000 when she was mayor...
i live in a very small town more than three times that size, and the first thing anybody i don't know asks me is what church i go to...
the whole show tonight was a very sad commentary on how low Bush has brought the GOP....
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Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani says Sarah Palin is ready to handle Sept. 11 crisis
By Associated Press 8:54 AM EDT, September 3, 2008
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) _ Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani says if Sarah Palin had been president when the U.S. came under attack on Sept. 11, 2001, he's confident she would have been able to handle the crisis.
Palin's experience as the mayor of a tiny Alaska town and as Alaska's governor for less than two years have led critics to question her readiness to be vice president in a John McCain administration — and president should he be unable to continue serving.
In an interview Wednesday on ABC's "Good Morning America," Giuliani was asked, "If she were the president on 9/11, you would have been confident?"
Giuliani responded: "I'd be confident that she'd be able to handle it. She's been a governor of a state, she's been mayor of a city."
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apparently Wasilla didn't even have police department when she first ran...
interesting article here....
Wasilla:
"We like to call this the Bible Belt of Alaska," says Cheryl Metiva, head of the local chamber of commerce. Churches proliferate in Wasilla today, and among the largest and most influential is the Wasilla Bible Church, where the Palins worship.
When Palin, who went on to win re-election by a landslide, was forced out of the Mayor's office by term limits in 2002, her husband Todd's stepmother Faye Palin ran for mayor. She did not, however, get Sarah Palin's endorsement. A couple of people told me that they thought abortion was the reason for Palin not supporting her family member — Faye, they say, is pro-choice, not to mention a Democrat. A former city council member recalls that it was a heated race, mainly because of right-to-life issues: "People were writing BABYKILLER on Faye's campaign signs just a few days before the election." Faye Palin lost the race to the candidate that Sarah backed, Dianne Keller, who is still mayor of Wasilla. (Over the weekend, Faye Palin told the New York Daily News that she liked listening to Barack Obama speak and that she wasn't sure who she would vote for in November.)
quote:Originally posted by glassman: We (the citizenry) are viewed as morons and treated as such regardless of who is in office and there's no way to change that under the current conditions.
the worst part is how many people just nod their heads...
the Dem convention was boring, but tonight the GOP convention was just plain sad.
i don't know how low the average IQ is at the convention, but i heard lie after lie...
and the heads just nodded...
"more executive experience"? i mean how dumb do these guys think we are...
her "hometown" had a population of 5000 when she was mayor...
i live in a very small town more than three times that size, and the first thing anybody i don't know asks me is what church i go to...
the whole show tonight was a very sad commentary on how low Bush has brought the GOP....
Frankly, but perhaps not appropriately, I'm embarrassed by the reporters on the scene. Why don't those reporters ask: "What IN THE WORLD are you talking about?!?"
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During her mayoral administration most of the actual work of running this small city was turned over to an administrator. She had been pushed to hire this administrator by party power-brokers after she had gotten herself into some trouble over precipitous firings which had given rise to a recall campaign. Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%.
She reduced progressive property taxes and increased a regressive sales tax which taxed even food. The tax cuts that she promoted benefited large corporate property owners way more than they benefited residents. The huge increases in tax revenues during her mayoral administration weren’t enough to fund everything on her wish list though, borrowed money was needed, too. She inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. What did Mayor Palin encourage the voters to borrow money for?
Was it the infrastructure that she said she supported? The sewage treatment plant that the city lacked? or a new library? No. $1m for a park. $15m-plus for construction of a multi-use sports complex which she rushed through to build on a piece of property that the City didn’t even have clear title to, that was still in litigation 7 yrs later--to the delight of the lawyers involved! The sports complex itself is a nice addition to the community but a huge money pit, not the profit-generator she claimed it would be. She also supported bonds for $5.5m for road projects that could have been done in 5-7 yrs without any borrowing.
i think the Dems will be chewing her up and spitting her out in tiny peices very soon...
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My biggest issue personally for myself is gun rights. It is clear what Obama thinks about that..
Obama endorsed the Illinois handgun ban. Why? I dont know but just because south side Chicago thugs have gang violence issues doesnt mean you need to take them away from people who are not involved in gang violence.
Obama would like to ban semi-automatics, and Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. Why on earth would you sue a gun maker for crips and bloods violence against eachother?
He opposes conceal and carry, which is the only thing that will keep you alive if you are white in southside Chicago! Lol
Obama has some views on abortion I dont agree with. If you go here:
You can see that Obama voted for allowing women to go out of state to perform abortions without notification of the parents. If you have a daughter, do you care if she goes a few states over to get an abortion at 16 without you ever knowing?
TAXES...John McCain may not be the most desireable candidate but has a long voting record that is supportive of tax relief. Obama voted against repealing the death tax. Why do taxes have to get involved in DEATH? Seriously...
Since we ARE on an allstocks board might as well throw it out there about how Obama will sharply increase capital gains tax.
Anyway, Obama seems like a fun guy and John McCain would be fun to have a few beers with. Obama may be able to bring change, but what IS that change? To the far left? I would rather live in a far right country than a far left country any day. Im more about people making it on their own, than relying on the federal government because we all know how worthless the fed is when it comes to giving. When it comes to taking there is no problem whatsoever!
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They all need to be locked in a room together and asked the hard questions without any wiggle room. Kept the doors lock until they actually answer the questions.
I'm not happy with either ticket. I'm not happy with the tone of either convention. I'm not happy with either party as they both will say whatever it takes to get elected. Until the media grows a set and stops looking in dark alleys for stories that belong on the back page of Star or the Inquirer and begin doing their job of getting to the real meat on the bone, issue that count and the PUBLIC say enough. We will be stuck in situations like we now are.
If you went into the street tomorrow and interviewed people asking them what any of the candidates will do about the real issues, like the Economy, our aggresive war stance, healthcare etc, I believe that you would hear talking points from either the Dem's or Rep's or even worse unsubstantiated ****s.
I recently went on a few of the Poltical message boards and was appalled at what was passing as the truth. Things, that took me a couple of minutes of searching to debunk. It's on both side of the street.
This is ONE COUNTRY with many differing views but I can say for a fact that neither side politically has all the answers. You hear so much about Flip Flopping. IMO, a person that changes their position because they learn new facts is mature. My belief's on many issues has changed over the years due to life experience and finding new information.
Both parties are disingenuous in their attacks on each other. The problem is people buy into them.
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Since we ARE on an allstocks board might as well throw it out there about how Obama will sharply increase capital gains tax.
Palin increased oil taxes last year CCM...
and i just found out why Palin is so popular with the Alaskan voter:
Alaska, where every resident this year will get a $3,200 payout, thanks in no small measure to the efforts of Sarah Palin, the state's Republican governor. That's $22,400 for a family of seven, like Palin's.
hey, i'm moving there as fast as i can... she's giving money away from the State coffers while she BORROWS money to pay the state bills...
oh wait, i don't need to move there for that Bush has been doing it too... Why is it a good thing for the folks up in Alaska to get a cut of oil company profits, but not the rest of us, if we are all part of one nation? eh?
Alaska collected an estimated $6 billion from the new tax during the fiscal year that ended June 30, according to the Alaska Oil and Gas Association. That helped push the state's total oil revenue — from new and existing taxes, as well as royalties — to more than $10 billion, double the amount received last year.
why does an Alaskan get all that money but we don't? i live in a Gas and Oil state: MS...we don't get chit for the oil here.
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i think Palin has lied her azz off already, and she's only been on the job one night...
she's a friggin Socialist:
Alaska's oil windfallby the numbers $6 billion
Estimated revenue collected by state of Alaska from new tax on oil profits this fiscal year. $10 billion
Estimated total oil revenue collected by state this year (old plus new oil taxes). $1,200
Special payment to each Alaskan resident this year from new oil tax. $2,000
Estimated annual dividend each Alaskan will receive this year from oil-wealth savings account, not counting the new oil tax.
How the windfall tax works The tax is imposed on the net profit earned on each barrel of oil pumped from state lands, after deducting costs for production and transportation.
The tax is set at its highest rate in Prudhoe Bay, where the state takes 25 percent of the net profit of a barrel when its price is at or below $52.
The percentage then escalates as oil prices rise over that benchmark.
i beleive that is the very definiton of wealth re-distrribution...
if that ain't the funniest joke i've ever seen played on the "conservatives" in the GOP convention i dunno what is...
"Clearly, from the investor standpoint, Alaska has become a less attractive place to invest exploration and production dollars," said Marilyn Crockett, executive director of the Alaska Oil and Gas Association.
YEA!!! drill drill drill baybey
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Because there is a ton of oil in Alaska glass. Why should Alaska oil payout to people in a state that has no oil production?
I live in an oil and gas state as well. Instead of forcing private and public companies to share their profits with citizens...how about the states lower the gas taxes? In my state of Kansas it is currently 43 cents per gallon in tax!
If oil companies are only making 8-9 cents per gallon og gas and your state is making over 40 cents...who is bending you over more?
"Together Federal and State excise taxes on fuel account for an average cost of approximately 62 cents per gallon"
California? Get this: 63.9 cents per gallon for state tax. What is with California and high taxes? Why is it that the most liberal states have the highest tax rates? California, New York, Mass. etc
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On top of taxing the rest of America for oil produced in Alaska, no wonder she wants the oil from the north slope drilled.
Despite cuts, Alaska earmarks still high Andrew Taylor / Associated Press ST. PAUL, Minn. -- John McCain touts Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as a force in the battle against earmarks and entrenched power brokers, but under her leadership the state this year asked for almost $300 per person in requests for pet projects from one of McCain's top adversaries: indicted Sen. Ted Stevens.
That's more than any other state received, per person, from Congress for this budget year, and runs counter to the reformer image that Palin and the McCain campaign are pushing. Other states got just $34 worth of local projects per person this year, on average, according to Citizens Against Government Waste, a watchdog group in Washington.
Palin reduced the state government's requests for special projects this year to 31 earmarks totaling $198 million, about $295 person.
Advertisement The state government's earmark requests to Congress in her first year in office exceeded $550 million, more than $800 per resident.
Palin's request to Stevens, "would still put Alaska No. 1," said Steve Ellis of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a watchdog group that tracks earmarks closely.
The McCain campaign said Tuesday that Palin realized that Alaska was too reliant on earmarks and ordered state officials to cut back on their requests. It also said Obama requested nearly $1 billion in earmarks over three years for Illinois -- a state with nearly 20 times the population of Alaska.
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Analysis: GOP contradicts self on Palin family
By TED ANTHONY – 3 hours ago
ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) — People: Make up your minds.
For two days, the chorus from Republicans on TV news and in the halls of the convention has been resounding: Back off and let the Palin family be. "That's out of bounds," said Minnesota's Republican governor, Tim Pawlenty. "There's no need to be intrusive and pry into that."
Huh? The Republican message about the Palin offspring comes across as contradictory: Hey, media, leave those kids alone — so we can use them as we see fit.
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Why the media should apologize Roger Simon Thu Sep 4, 12:15 AM ET
ST. PAUL, Minn. — On behalf of the media, I would like to say we are sorry.
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On behalf of the elite media, I would like to say we are very sorry.
We have asked questions this week that we should never have asked.
We have asked pathetic questions like: Who is Sarah Palin? What is her record? Where does she stand on the issues? And is she is qualified to be a heartbeat away from the presidency?
We have asked mean questions like: How well did John McCain know her before he selected her? How well did his campaign vet her? And was she his first choice?
Bad questions. Bad media. Bad.
It is not our job to ask questions. Or it shouldn’t be. To hear from the pols at the Republican National Convention this week, our job is to endorse and support the decisions of the pols.
Sarah Palin hit the nail on the head Wednesday night (and several in the audience wish she had hit some reporters on the head instead) when she said: “I’m not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I’ve learned quickly, these past few days, that if you’re not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.”
But where did we go wrong with Sarah Palin? Let me count the ways:
First, we should have stuck to the warm, human interest stuff like how she likes mooseburgers and hit an important free throw at her high school basketball tournament even though she had a stress fracture.
Second, we should have stuck to the press release stuff like how she opposed the Bridge to Nowhere (after she supported it).
Third, we should never have strayed into the other stuff. Like when The Washington Post recently wrote: “Palin is under investigation by a bipartisan state legislative body. … Palin had promised to cooperate with the legislative inquiry, but this week she hired a lawyer to fight to move the case to the jurisdiction of the state personnel board, which Palin appoints.”
Why go there? What trees does that plant?
Fourth, we should stop making with all the questions already. She gave a really good speech. And why go beyond that? As we all know, speeches cannot be written by others and rehearsed for days. They are true windows to the soul.
Unless they are delivered by Barack Obama, that is. In which case, as Palin said Wednesday, speeches are just a “cloud of rhetoric.”
Fifth, we should stop reporting on the families of the candidates. Unless the candidates want us to.
Sarah Palin wanted the media to report on her teenage son, Track, who enlisted in the Army on Sept. 11, 2007, and soon will deploy to Iraq.
Sarah Palin did not want the media to report on her teenage daughter, Bristol, who is pregnant and unmarried.
Sarah Palin thinks that one is good for her campaign and one is not, and that the media should report only on what is good for her campaign. That is our job, and that is our duty. If that is not actually in the Constitution, it should be. (And someday may be.)
The official theme of the convention’s third day was “prosperity,” but the unofficial theme was “the media are really, really awful.”
Even Mike Huckabee, who campaigned for president this year by saying “I am a conservative, but I am not mad at anybody,” discovered Wednesday night that he is mad at somebody.
“I’d like to thank the elite media for doing something,” Huckabee said, “that, quite frankly, I didn’t think could be done: unify the Republican party and all of America in support of John McCain and Sarah Palin.”
And could that be the real point of the attacks on the media? To unify the Republican Party?
No, that is simply the cynical, media view.
Though as Lily Tomlin says, “No matter how cynical I get, it’s just never enough to keep up.”
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Palin made a speech the content of which I do not agree with to any large degree.
The showmanship was good and I feel over the next 2 months it will be repeated and repeated for the dumb asss right.Why, becase they learn and operate by memory only and not by learning.
So get ready to hear the simple slogans made up of crazy jargon to please the dim wits and give them something to chant night and day until they convince themselves it is truth.
Every time the bell rings bow wow you get a treat
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You guys seem to be in a panic (as well you should). She showed that she is a normal person with midwest type common sense. This should have been a year in which the dems won in a landslide, but it looks to me like they are going to lose AGAIN! I'm still not thrilled with McCain, but Sarah Palin is very impressive! The base is back.
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Doesn't matter what I think. P-Diddy doesnt support Mc/Palin so by god, I shouldn't either. Must be time to un-rock the vote... BAAAAAAAA. What a joke.
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letting her 17 yr old unmarried daughter have this baby is a HUGE error in judgement.. this is what is meant by family values? Palin is a Fake and she will be exposed as such. This will put the nail in the coffin for Mcbush..
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Yes, Jordan, that is EXACTLY what I would call family values. Of course, I know the lefties would prefer that she kill the unborn baby, but that's not what Christians or conservative believe. Palin is an instant superstar, despite the intensely hateful rhetoric of the wacko left over the past few days. Game, set, match! The socialists lose again!
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yes indeed...lets have another unwanted pregnancy and produce that unwanted child. smart move...and that is pro-life?...no, that is another sad,pathetic, example of backward thinking.
by the way...no such thing as an unborn baby!
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quote:and produce that unwanted child. smart move...and that is pro-life?...no, that is another sad,pathetic, example of backward thinking.
Quite the contrary! Who said anything aboug the child being unwanted? Based on what I've seen about the Palin family, that baby will be loved greatly by the entire family and will end up being a happy and productive member of society.
quote:by the way...no such thing as an unborn baby!
RIDICULOUS! What do you think it is? An unborn puppy? C'mon!
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So, one minute after birth, it's a baby. One minute before birth, it's what??? A goose? A bird? A kitten? That's ridiculous!
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