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As to moral integrity, since none of us have reached perfection none of us have complete moral integrity. So you and I are in the same boat: we can have perfect love for God and neighbor. I don't care if you are a straight Democrat. That's fine, just note how it colors your perspective. Embrace apoliticism and take the blinde :patronising a-hole again;
rummy gave sadam a kiss i bet....
thats what they do over there.. too bad we don't have pic of that...
we have one of Bush kissing Faud somewhere.... i'll see if i can find it...
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GWU is NOT anunreliable source...they are peer reviewed...
Yeah, yeah...just where the declassified document came from. Hmmmm....is there a problem here? You are selective in your research because you are towing the Democratic line...only critical of Republicans. I post blasting them both but not you. That's because I am apolitical. The Hillary criticism is only based on her Methodist religion. Either that or you just want to throw people off the scent. You gotta take the political blinders off.
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I post blasting them both but not you. That's because I am apolitical. The Hillary criticism is only based on her Methodist religion.
you have a persecution complex which is clouding your judgement of me in particular and probably the world... did i mention i'm an amateur psychologist too?
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Never said we are led by a fine moral crowd did I. Scan my posts Glass, I know I never, ever said that. Because I do not believe that. You're putting words in my mouth again. You know we are never going to agree and staying on-line before a date or staying up til 3am arguing a dead horse and then getting to the point where you lob epithets at me is a little obsessive on your part.
Really saying: " i have barely started shredding you...I sugest you re-read at the picture of the Four Riders of the Apocolypse..."
That's taking this issue a little too far Glass, the imagery speaks for itself, and frankly the reading is so far off base. My suggestion to you: I will re-read your little diatribe if you read Revelations. Remember the focal question of the suffering around Galatia was "How long oh Lord until you will end the suffering?" Honestly, you insult Christianity so much, I am puzzled why you would even associate with the Christian imagery?
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So Glass are you at all into exploring Jungian archetypes? Or are you Rogerian? What era was your psychlogical study in? I would suspect you like Jung.
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quote:Originally posted by Griffon: did i mention i'm an amateur psychologist too?
good I'm licensed as a Counsellor. What is your assesment of the Four Horsemen imagery?
Grant Rice was good, and so was the backfield. But he--along with Ring Lardner--opened a door to hyperbolic imagery that should have been shut almost immediately. Sportswriting has suffered ever since...I mean, really... ND beat Army that day, but 13-7? c'mon...
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Bdgee where'd you go. I show up and you leave after one post. You know I said preachers should never advocate candidates. I called it clergy malpractice. The same is true for teachers preaching party indoctrination in the classroom. Don't you agree?
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"Grant Rice was good, and so was the backfield. But he--along with Ring Lardner--opened a door to hyperbolic imagery that should have been shut almost immediately. Sportswriting has suffered ever since...I mean, really... ND beat Army that day, but 13-7? c'mon..."
I agree Tex!
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From the report: "...Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor." Their dream of a catalyzing event could not have been better actualized than in the events of 9/11.
Note the PNAC signers: Elliott Abrams, Gary Bauer, William J. Bennett, Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Eliot A. Cohen,Midge Decter, Paula Dobriansky, Steve Forbes, Aaron Friedberg, Francis Fukuyama, Frank Gaffney, Fred C. Ikle, Donald Kagan, Zalmay Khalilzad, I. Lewis Libby, Norman Podhoretz, Dan Quayle, Peter W. Rodman, Stephen P. Rosen, Henry S. Rowen, Donald Rumsfeld, Vin Weber, George Weigel and Paul Wolfowitz.
(Yep, even Scooter is there! LOL)
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I agree Gordon, though they did not have prior knowledge as some suppose. I know many have misunderstood my perspective on this war. My real preference was that we would do like we did in Haiti, buy Saddam off into exile with no right of return.
I think they had a one-track mind that would never have considered that. And that is my main criticism of this administration. We could have found a price Saddam would have accepted if we rattled sabers instead of using them.
Alot of the trouble there comes from not understanding Arab/Muslim culture and I would say the last president that understood how to relate to Arab culture was Carter. He really knew the subtle nuances of navigating between Arab etiquette and Israeli etiquette.
One thing that will go un-noticed in this recent round of diplomacy is that someone in this administration, definitely not Bush, but someone knew to keep the rhetoric ratcheted down until contacting Arab leaders privately about the situation. 15 years ago Egypt and Saudi Arabia would never have openly criticized Hezbollah and Syria, and Jordan would not have been harsh. Someone knew how to be diplomatic and let the Arab leaders lead.
Now on the other hand I think they had a price for that public act: free trade with Oman. That's just a suspicion and I really personally wish we had given the UAE the port deal rather than Oman. Much better security people in UAE. I am sure they also put a timeline on Israel's aggression. I would guess Condi will come back with the news of whether Israel's done, if Israel has accomplished the objectives and Bush will come out and call for a truce then Israel will end the aggression.
But this one "success" in foreign policy came from someone who knew how to work like Carter did. Again this is conjecture, not any insider information.
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Bdgeee- Listen old chap, I'm sure we will tangle many times on here because we just flat out see things differently, But.... I followed your instructions to a tee and successfully made my first edible brisquet tonight. it took me 17 hours to get the thing tender enough, but the wait was worth it. Thanks again and now we can go back to being at each other's throats.
I'm not staying on long tonight guys. i was on here til 3am and then put the brisquet on at 4am, than got jumped on by my boys at 6am. Dog tired.
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I did answer that it is malpractice for clergy to lobby a congregation publicly or privately. That applies to Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton most obviously, but to every one of us as people of the cloth. Do teachers have that same standard?
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No bs Bdgee, I am not afraid to be disagreed with. You are a blessing, because you help me work on spiritual discipline to love my neighbor, even when s/he e-strikes my cheek.
"Yep, luscous stuff when done right...."
Then you believe teachers should not make comments like:
"The administration is run by Nazis" because that is expressing a personal opinion as an authority figure in childrens' lives and it unduly influences them?
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quote:Originally posted by Griffon: I agree Gordon, though they did not have prior knowledge as some suppose. I know many have misunderstood my perspective on this war. My real preference was that we would do like we did in Haiti, buy Saddam off into exile with no right of return.
I think they had a one-track mind that would never have considered that. And that is my main criticism of this administration. We could have found a price Saddam would have accepted if we rattled sabers instead of using them.
Alot of the trouble there comes from not understanding Arab/Muslim culture and I would say the last president that understood how to relate to Arab culture was Carter. He really knew the subtle nuances of navigating between Arab etiquette and Israeli etiquette.
heres what's IRONIC and i love irony...
i have posted this basic position that you are posting, here for two years now... except for complimenting carter on his foreign policy... i did defend him based on the fact that he inherited a mess left over form watergate which i feel was a hill of beans...
i actually took a lot of grief for saying, no i stated very strongly hundreds of times, we made a mistake invading iraq... ask anybody who's been here for over a year...
i don't think we made a mistake invading Afghanistan at all... the only mistake we made there that i am aware of is not focusing on rebuilding it more and better... we have wasted a good opportunity there...
the way i have responded to your posts has in fact been determined by the way you post...
i understand it's hard to stop preaching...
you say i accuse you of lying... but you have accused me of many things too... and i find inconsistency in your statements so i say "provactive things" like you do... here you say you agree with Gordon who does NOT think the iraq war was right or justifed, and yet i can find many places where you say the war was justified... you have no real position? or does it change depending on who you are tlking to?... you claim to be apolitical? that too is disingenuous since you are obviously advocating political positions here... look at the title of the thread...
and? you have been very wrong about many things like The internet is not the place for research in specifics
that is just wrong.... i think you say things like this because you lack experience... the internet is the most incredible research tool ever created... it still requires discernment of the reader/interpretor
i posted you a picture i found specifically for YOU and you felt the "need" to lecture me about it... that is condescending...
they say a picture is worth a thousand words... instead of lecturing me? why don't you stop and ponder what i was really trying tell YOU....
it never occurred to you that i am well aware that some people (YOU) are trying to bring about the RETURN by fulfilling certain aspects of revelations did it? or did it and you tried very hard to change the subject? you do that frequently too, when things get "tight"
you have assumed much about me...
i have assumed very little about you because you are not particularly "reserved" in displaying your intentions... but i have made some assumptions that are subject to change as i analyse you further...
i always enjoy watching a person attempt to garner suport by pretending to be persecuted while they are begging for an argument...
it's usually a feminine trait... but Christains learn it from The Book so men sometimes use it...
hezbolah is trying to use it right now to get the UN to sanction Israel
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quote:Originally posted by Griffon: I agree Gordon, though they did not have prior knowledge as some suppose.
And you know this... how?
It's well documented that the Bush administration did absolutely nothing to try to prevent a terrorist attack on our soil prior to 9/11.
I believe that they purposely let one happen. It sure helped their agenda.
It's even possible that they participated to some extent. You have to admit it was a pretty sophisticated maneuver; perfectly crashing two planes traveling at very high speeds into two relatively thin structures. And an amazing coincidence that both towers collapsed in an identical way. Almost like a controlled demolition, wouldn't you say?
Where were the fighter jets?
Why wasn't the president immediately taken into protective custody?
Etc. etc. etc.
This is one "conspiracy theory" that warrants more careful study.
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