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"It takes a reak sick mind to attack democrats on the basis of racism or civil rights or genocide, but he does so quite loudly and declares anyone objecting to those insults and vile crudities to be engaged in hate speach."
Bdgee you have such a gentle way, Why not point out the slaughter of innocents during Democratic rule? Clinton's inactivity allowed millions to die in the 90s. You called my intellectually deficient on the basis of my faith. You make vulgar statements about who I am and what I believe. I never attacked persons, you did my friend and I thank you for that.
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"Griffon, when you say he is hated for his religion what religion are you referring to. I hope it is not the following of Christ and Christin"
Bond, I am not sure what you're asking? Are you asking what faith I am hated for, that would be Christian. I hate no one's free expression of their religion.
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Griff_ I think they are confused because you said "in" the democratic party, and as you know in some democrats eyes you can't be racist or have phobias if you are a democrat. In fact, in some democrats heart you are perfect if you are a democrat.
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Now griff I missed the part where your other topic said democrats support genocide. Didn't you say the democratic party supports genocide? Wouldn't that be a refernce to it's leaders, or it's policies, not in effect it's voters?
Hmm let's see I've been called dumb on here a few times, once or twice by myself, but I figured that one out.
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Now some of you boys might like your Christian's to sit in the corner and just huddle into a little ball when rocks are thrown at them. Turn the other cheek and all that stuff. Well it ain't happening tonight fellas.
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Nope Glassman me too little. Only 5 foot 8 and 150.... well 160..... lbs. Actually I think I used to be 5'8 with age I've shrunk a little, but I still lay claim to 5 foot 8. A hell I'm just short, fat and bald Glassman.
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By the way, your apocalyptic pic is not one of avenging angels. Let me exegete for you:
The four horsemen depicted here are not avenging angels are judgments of humanity: war, plague, hunger and death. They are the witness of God that history will always have wars, deth, plagues and famines. It's a reminder that we are called to stand up for justice and act with mercy even though our efforts will have incomplete effect, that sin thing, the utter depravity dontcha know. How much change we cn effect depends on your eschatology, pre-millenialists are closest to nihilists meaning we won't change much until Christ returns. Post-millenialists believe humanity can change the world before Christ returns.
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your opening statement here: I have to ask how much of the intolerance I see directed toward the President is really latent fear and hate of his expressed religion.
i'm not dem.... but/ i want you to answer me this...
how much of his (Bush's) support is blindly faith based.
it appears to be a solid 10% and maybe even as much 20% which of course is what got him the difference in '04....
especially when you consider that Kerry is Catholic....
Pat Robertsona nd Jerry Falwell both "pumped" him with money and talk... it was enough of a difference that McCain is now nosing around those guys too.. something he wouldn't do before...
this is still an open question...
squirm....
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quote:Originally posted by Griffon: By the way, your apocalyptic pic is not one of avenging angels. Let me exegete for you:
The four horsemen depicted here are not avenging angels are judgments of humanity: war, plague, hunger and death. They are the witness of God that history will always have wars, deth, plagues and famines. It's a reminder that we are called to stand up for justice and act with mercy even though our efforts will have incomplete effect, that sin thing, the utter depravity dontcha know. How much change we cn effect depends on your eschatology, pre-millenialists are closest to nihilists meaning we won't change much until Christ returns. Post-millenialists believe humanity can change the world before Christ returns.
i know exactly what they are, i ran the search to find them for you...
not everybody needs to be preached to yaknow...
that's why you remind me of a Baptist...
my way or the hi-way..Bush is that way too...
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"you are telling US to be judge, jury, and executioner of all the bad dictaters..."
I am saying we are morally and ethically responsible to the Iraqi people for the leader we installed and equipped and then watched kill 1.4 million people. As you note I never, ever said "executioner." I do not agree with the death penalty as a Christian, though the Iraqi people will be the arbiters of Saddy's fate.
And I call upon all colonial powers to do justice to their former colonies and remove brutal leaders and act to eliminate poverty. Western Europe got fat in profits from their colonies. Give some back.
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better yet? get out of your cozy little world? and come down to MS. we got a lot of work to be done rat heyer gittin' people out of poverty that's still left over from the friggin civil war...
we are doing our part...
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"my way or the hi-way..Bush i sthat way too... only one way to get to heaven..."
Where did I ever say that Glass? I know I never said there is only one way to get to heaven, because I am a Christian universalist who believes in the Andover theory. I notice it's okay for you to tell me what I am thinking but you take offence when I return the favor? If you use religious imagery, I will respond with exegesis. That was your choice, artfully chosen, but it's not the primary focus of my theology.
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Glassman- Who is the Judge in the Hussein trial? Who is the jury in the Hussein trial? Who is/ will be if there is one, the executioner in the Hussein trial? Have you heard Christians express outrage at this set up? Have you heard my brother say we should be trying him? Could our troops have killed Hussein? Did you hear Christian outrage when they didn't? Has my brother said it was a mistake not to kill Hussein?
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"better yet? get out of your cozy little world? and come down to MS. we got a lot of work to be done rat heyer gittin' peoplee out of poverty that's still left over from the friggin civil war... we are doing our part..."
Been there to help friend...gave up vacation time to do it. Gave $5000 this year to Katrina relief. Preached a sermon that helped a church to raise $2500 in one hour. Also arranged for a MS family to come up here and stay rent free in our unused parsonage for six months while their house was fixed. I have a week in September, I'd gladly give for helping the South recover.
And just a note on geography...I was talking about the Colonial powers of Western Europe in the post. Mississippi is a little removed from Europe and was never a colonial power in its own right.
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"Glass- Do you mean blind faith to Bush or blind faith as in religion?"
must have missed it. My faith came out of the crucible of trial and fire. Nothing blind about it. As critical of Bush as I am you can see no blindness there.
Or were you talking about the band by that name?
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quote:Originally posted by glassman: your opening statement here: I have to ask how much of the intolerance I see directed toward the President is really latent fear and hate of his expressed religion.
i'm not dem.... but/ i want you to answer me this...
how much of his (Bush's) support is blindly faith based.
it appears to be a solid 10% and maybe even as much 20% which of course is what got him the difference in '04....
especially when you consider that Kerry is Catholic....
Pat Robertsona nd Jerry Falwell both "pumped" him with money and talk... it was enough of a difference that McCain is now nosing around those guys too.. something he wouldn't do before...
this is still an open question...
squirm....
you see? "religiophobia" as you call it, comes from people watching the clergy bring the votes in...
and the money, yes, lots of money as long as Bush can deliver faith-based Federal funding that is...
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Glassman- I'm sorry I've gotten a little riled up with you tonight. I came here looking for a fight and that is not right for me to do that. You are level headed tonight and I'm just not tonight. I don't like people to question my brother's faith because I know how strong it is and I know all of the things he has done that he is too modest to post. Unfortunately I think a computer is almost impossible to give a real impression of yourself, for anybody. Especially a board about politics when most boards are run by the left or right wing because they are the only one's dedicated, or lonely enough to post on these things. As I know you have been riled up a time or two before on this board, I hope you understand my apology is sincere. Especially since you are going through the trying time of raising a goth teen!
Now guys let's talk and bring this down a notch, despite my Dean like ravings!!
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My minister did not tell me to vote for Bush. I don't recall a minister ever telling me who to vote for. No siree my check came right in the mail from the RNC!!!
Actually griff you would be more adept at answering that. Are ministers/fathers etc supposed to enter politics in the way of endorsements? I know the big shots like Robertson jessie Jackson etc do, but do others?
Also is there any history of religous leaders, other than Jesse Jackson, running for office?
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I don't like people to question my brother's faith because I know how strong it is and I know all of the things he has done that he is too modest to post. i'm not questioning anybodies faith... i am making him and you examine how your faith influences your POLITICS...
there is a big difference between faith and religion my friend...
it's (the difference) HUGE...
religion really is politics.. politics is the interaction between people... Faith is personal...
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Thanks Glass I must have missed that post. I was gone for some hours. I think about 10% supported him based on people like Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. More in the South and much less everywhere else. I never preach politics from the pulpit directly, but I preach on the need to overcome poverty, end homeless, assist the addicted, visit the sick and imprisoned which touch on social situations. Never, ever do I comment on candidates.
Obviously, McCain needs the conservative vote
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Especially a board about politics when most boards are run by the left or right wing because they are the only one's dedicated, or lonely enough to post on these things.
this board is run by somebody with outstanding ethics and i doubt they agree with many things i say here, BUT?
they let me anyway..
it's called freedom of speech...
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Run meaning majority of posts, not moderated. Absolutely Bob is a geat guy who let's all of us shoot our mouths off regardless of political stance.
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