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How exactly are we liars? Did we not post evidenciary documentation? Trouble with the websites? Or is it just something you hadn't heard? It is known throughout Palestine.
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"i know Reagan screwed up. but carter did nothing to support the Iran Iraq war as far as AMERICAN history is concerned... maybe Iranian history...."
well it was just released two years ago so you will hear about it in American texts at university. Maybe someday we will be adult as a nation to hear the truth.
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"you post lies and say they are "evidence"? idiotic"
Now friend, how do you know it's a lie? And where have I called you an idiot? I do not objectify you, I just post the facts. Don't worry though it hasn't changed my view of Carter. He still had a tough decision to make. I am a little concerned that you have been socially-conditioned to distrust all Persians. That vexes me, I am sorely vexed. The leadership is out on a limb, but the people and the scholars are top-notch.
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Glassman - What is the rule here? First we can't talk about Clinton because that was old news, but we can talk about Bush's service during Vietnam, now we can talk about 1983, but we can't talk about Stalin and Roosevelt. Why can we not talk about history here? Now you can argue relevance but that is an opinion. What is the relevance of the Rumsfeld /Hussein picture? What is the significance if it was Reagan or Carter or Truman that started a relationship with Iraq?
You know why that relationship was started, yet you continue to try to make political hay out of it.
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"your sources have the same quality as the Enquirer"
really! Now that's funny! All day long I post citations and then when one touches you and causes some cognitive dissonance, you change the expectation of sources to American peer reviewed.
But regardless, the only challenge to your view of history is that Carter made the first, and indirect, contact with Saddam on Chief Exective level. I am not suggesting in any of this that Carter formalized anything with Hussein. I am only saying he went through the House of Saud to give a green light to invasion. I agree with everything you said about the Reagan era. Never contradicted it. Just pointing out the Carter "green light" to Saddy's invasion. That's not formal, no treaty, just mentioning that the trail goes back to Carter.
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no JW, i actually care about thetruth, and the facts...
you do not...
i told you. i enlisted when a friend of mines father was taken hostage in the Embassy.. you would recognise his name if you had any brains.. i don't expect you would..
you are posting Iranian (not Persian) propaganda as truth..
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sad position of what? My God we are quibbling over something that even I admit is irrelevant. What is your opinion on which hand we should have been shaking in 1983, Iran or Iraq? What I can't understand is why you are trying to make political hay over a picture taken in 1983 with a guy fighting our 2nd biggest enemy. That is my only stake in this race.
As I asked earlier and will ask for the third time, doesn't war make strange bed fellows?
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"i don't know where these cretins come from, but i do know that they are willing to grasp any straw to somehow justify their sad position..."
Cretin is a nice sentiment. Not angry, not spiteful I am sure but I am not making a point here, I am helping you be historically accurate. Why would it be bad for you if the relationship began informally under Carter?
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Let's see since we posted evidence about Carter-Iraq, I have been called Cretin, brain-less, a duck, an ass, sick, liar, Iranian, screwed-up. Which is it Glass, are we polite to each other or do we name cll. I forget.
And I am sorry that your relative was party of the hostage crisis. But that doesn't change history.
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Why because we don't agree about an event from nearly 30 years ago? That's the problem with this country Glass, we can't dialog without getting mad. We're a nation of self-righteous dweebs. And your hatred is showing through sadly. Get some fresh air and come back. It helped me today.
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"no, my my hatred is not what you see... it's my frustration that we are wasting space in our education system on fools like you.. and you preach in front of real people too?"
My friend, that's pretty much hate. Yes I preach "if your neighbor strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also." I teach that old systems of conquest must die to new ways of peace-building.
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Speaking of sources Glassman, what was your source for the 2004 election post? Pretty shaky. Did I take you at your word when you said you didn't really read anything else on the site? Anything else being the long list of atrocities your source said American troops were committing. Your service to your country I respect, your devotion to your friend was admirable, just question a source you used before too.
Now you use my brother's link to call us iranians? What conclusion did I draw from the link you used that day? None. I kept an open mind.
I would say we all have used a shady source or two to justify a position. Agree?
quote:Originally posted by Griffon: "no, my my hatred is not what you see... it's my frustration that we are wasting space in our education system on fools like you.. and you preach in front of real people too?"
My friend, that's pretty much hate. Yes I preach "if your neighbor strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also." I teach that old systems of conquest must die to new ways of peace-building.
like i said? you go back over there and hang with the ayatolahs then tell me that...
you still have a lot to learn...
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quote:Originally posted by Griffon: "Iran declared war on US. we have been tolerating their impertinance for too long... and they grow bolder and bolder..."
That's quite an imperialist observation on your part.
so? in case you haven't noticed? they are about ready to roll into Lebanon right now to kill the hezbolah terrorists... and i hope they get them all...
they take our people hostage
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Cause I flat out tell you right now, I cannot stand Iran period. I am with you on that Glassman. In fact in my weaker moments Griff has had to talk me down from steamrolling the whole middle east. Remember what I told you after 9/11 Griff?
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I just have to ask why this is such a sticking point to you. Carter did everything he could to bring the hostages home. He ws and remains a great humanitarian and a wonderful Baptist. This takes nothing away from him at all. It just clarifies history.
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