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will Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:12
UpMan, for the last time, it isn't about value. I know you are not a proponent of the naked short theory, but it sure would expose them. Can you admit that much? Is it a good move or stradegy for the clowns? Jesus, I might have to apologize for calling them clowns, but I'll never forgive Marvin for that Mt. St. Helena, crap. quote: IP: Logged |
VNGNTN1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:14
quote: The MM's are given authority to do business by the government and are so regulated( lightly in the case of naked shorting), but when they sell a share that doesn't exist they place themselves at the mercy of the underlying benefactor "the corporation". If the corporation declares "something"(dividends, splits,etc) which are paid to all legit a/s and MM's don't cover to illegal shares 1 of two things happens: 1-They file banckruptcy 2-lose privledge to operate THEY WILL COVER CMKX is peanuts to the big boards and profits there. VAN IP: Logged |
WinsumLosesum Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:14
Has anyone been keeping track of all the times those 10-15 9 million share trades spew forth within milliseconds? It happened today and many other days. It was happening frequently even back in the .0001 days. Is it safe to assume they ain't orders from normal folk? When we see these trades, can we assume it's either UC or the MMs? Plus, isn't it possible that the MMs started covering even back at .0001? After all, it's not like they didn't hear about the plans to squeeze them. Were they all so arrogant as to think they could hold their ground and win the war? Or, do you think some were actually smart enough to know when to pack up, cut their losses and move on? I have no answers, just questions. I'm hoping this sparks some creative discussion from those who know more than I. (1 BigTip, our resident type-A historian-- Surely you've been keeping track, no?) IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:15
The shares exist Upside, and they can be assigned to CMKX shareholders by Urban. But because it isn't being traded on the open market, the MM's can't get ahold of any. IP: Logged |
VNGNTN1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:21
WILL EVERYTHING IS ABOUT VALUE! EVERY STOCK,EVERY TRADE If you don't understand this you will lose in the long haul. Yes you swing on short term, but the swings get bigger and the risk increases. The buy low sell high(my max 10%) is a steady accumulation of wealth. NOAH YES very good observation,BUT they can still short in reverse proportion to dividend in CMKX. VAN [This message has been edited by VNGNTN1 (edited July 20, 2004).] [This message has been edited by VNGNTN1 (edited July 20, 2004).] [This message has been edited by VNGNTN1 (edited July 20, 2004).] IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:22
I think that tomorrow, we might see the MM's sit on .0005 all day trying to convince everybody that everything is O.K. They might........but I think tonight they saw that Urban and Roger can put them in a deeper hole if they do. For the many months that I have done DD on this stock, I'll admit that I was a little concerned at the number of businesses that Urban seemed to hold or be involved in. Now I know why, he can keep issuing cross dividends, and putting the MM's in a deeper hole with each one. IP: Logged |
Upside Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:25
originally posted by will: quote: Will, IP: Logged |
RaiderJR Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:29
UC can declare a different dividend a day til the shorts are gone. They just need to take their mdicine and get it over with cause UC isn't playing anymore. Retire the naked shorts and go home. Give us our money. Life would be better for us all. Now we have 35 million coming through UCAD if the price doesn't go up more, and 10% of a known zinc deposit, spun off but now back in our hands. IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:31
Upside, if the dividend date comes and goes and there are no shares in my Ameritrade account, they're going to hear from me and a few thousand other shareholders wanting to know where they are. At that point I'm sure Ameritrade will be making it know to the MM's just how many there are. IP: Logged |
VNGNTN1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:31
RJR Patience my man ! VAN IP: Logged |
VNGNTN1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:32
NOAH The shares will be ther on schedule with no value, just like CIM. This is a PAPER,ROCK SCISSORS deal UC is desparetly trying to trump opposing positions with stock certificate shuffling. FOLOW VALUE; FOLLOW VALUE;etc VAN [This message has been edited by VNGNTN1 (edited July 20, 2004).] IP: Logged |
will Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:33
Van, I meant immediate value as in PPS. The value lies int he exposing the shorts. UpMan, I can't argue, I don't knw if the will publish the findings or not. All I know is: That's it, I had enough tonight. I worked today, and I'm tired. I'll check in the morning see if you guys have figured this out. Noah, don't forget to get the latest theories regarding this from Dr DoLittle, Think Outside the Box boy, and ZenMaster. IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:34
Van, only if there are no naked shorts. IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:36
They're all being very quiet tonight. Maybe they knew you were out and about. LOL IP: Logged |
RaiderJR Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:36
No value til mining begins. But the mm's have to match paying it for sorts. Where will they get cim shares????? UC might sell them a few shares at a value price. IP: Logged |
RaiderJR Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:38
It seems UC is using the shorts of CMKX to raise the value of his other companies. As their value rises our dividends become worth something. IP: Logged |
Upside Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:39
originally posted by noah: quote: Noah, IP: Logged |
will Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:39
Maybe their dumb asses are confused too , lol. Give em time. Actually I can't wait for the wild sh|t that comes from that bunch. LOL quote: [This message has been edited by will (edited July 20, 2004).] IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:40
Well goodnight everybody. Got to get some sleep, going to be standing in a county fair booth for a week. Will try to stop in tomorrow morning and evening and see if you're all playing nice. Chief of Police LOL IP: Logged |
f15crew Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:41
I guess this answers on of my questions. My Ameritrade shares could be naked shorts and therefore are not safe. What happens if that turns out to be true?
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VNGNTN1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:43
WILL pps is the function of trading emotion (at least on the pinks) so value cannot be found there, unless you are trading. NOAH Shorts do not affect value only perception. VAN IP: Logged |
COACHPHILM63 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:47
Hey Gang just a reminder, the first major PR told us of a meeting with other companies in Vegas this week(viewed as wednesday). UC and Roger are giving the NSS ample notice to let this PPS raise or each day the pot thickens. We now have UCAD div. and more spin off shares of CIM. This time Wednesday we may have other Dividends. From the other companies in the area. I can see right now that Roger and UC is in the making of weaving a web that the MM's cannot unravel. Too many companies envolved for them to cover all angles. Happy hunting, this week should be full of new PR's.. Coach IP: Logged |
Wallace#1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 00:53
Don't know whether to stay up for this or hit the sack. Pro-rata could mean any proportion, not just 1 for 1. BQ - really liked the young lady...took me half an hour to go on to the next post! LMAO VAN - correct me if I am wrong, but didn't UC, with one of his companies back when, declare or suggest a dividend and later renege on it? Upside, You seem to be saying the very same things I was thinking when the release first came out. I cannot see much to the CIM dividend either.
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Wallace#1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 01:03
Before anyone mentions it, I know all the issued and outstanding would not be electronic...just showing the worst scenario. ---------------------- Further, I can just picture the DTC dumping all their records onto the laps of CMKX's TA, them throwing up their hands in disgust and confusion and laying it right back to UC. [This message has been edited by Wallace#1 (edited July 20, 2004).] IP: Logged |
STAR GAZER Member |
posted July 20, 2004 01:16
Even though it is summer, the days are getting shorter for the MM's if they are actually naked shorters. The poem "Mina's Song" seems appropriate. The day has passed beyond our power. The petals close upon the flower. The light is failing in this hour Of day's last waning breath. The blackness of the night surrounds The distant souls of stars now found, Far from this world to which we're bound Of sorrow, fear and death. The gathering darkness takes our souls, Embracing us in chilling folds, Deep in a Mistress' void that holds Our fate within her hands. The strength of silence fills the sky, Its depth beyound both you and I. Into its arms our souls will fly, Our fear and sorrow within its bands. IP: Logged |
TeenageTrader Member |
posted July 20, 2004 01:59
Ok, I finally caught up with this thread after about 1 1/2 hours of reading. So here is my spin on the whole deal. 1. UC is "investing" in all these companies for two possible reasons. UC is being very smart about it, he is making it to where noone would want to sell, PR after PR. Its not about how worthless the dividends are, its about the fact he is giving them to us, making us feel like we are getting something, and to people who won't read message boards as closely as us, they see all this news, and think... O man im going to hold onto this. Also, I would like to add that on pinksheets can anyone guess the top 3 requested quotes? 1. CMKX 2. UCAD 3. CIM We are going to get paid one way or another, its only a matter of time. All this of course IMO. IP: Logged |
tradingpennys Member |
posted July 20, 2004 04:20
quote: ____________________________________ I am NOT impressed at all with these so called dividend chump change. You can fool some of the people some of the time... A couple pages back I posted some info. about SEC and shorting. There are some important points I think may interest some of us. IP: Logged |
tradingpennys Member |
posted July 20, 2004 04:29
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prdponce Member |
posted July 20, 2004 07:04
from another board By: honoluludavid First, let me say that I am long and strong on CMKX. In fact, I think I am a lot longer than many, because I am not going to run for the hills when the 400B O/S that I think exists becomes officially announced on 20 Aug 04. Here is my rationale: A while back (30 Jun 04), Joel called in to IBC Radio and said that he was told by Pacific that the outstanding shares were 400B. And while others have castigated Joel for saying such, others corroborated his claims with calls of their own. The next week, Pacific was fired. Why? Perhaps because they leaked info that was not supposed to be leaked. Speculation? Of course, but how about this: If you look at the PR dated 18 Jul 04, you will see that UCAD has a 1-year option to purchase a 10% stake in our mineral claims for $15M. Therefore, although we do not have a specific valuation on the claims yet in the form of a PR, using $150M ($15M/.10 = $150M) is as reasonable as any other estimate, particularly since it is empircally based on numbers within a PR. Obviously, the value of the claims may prove to be more in the future – MUCH more, in fact – but for now, this estimate is as logical any other posited. Now, has anyone taken the time to find out what $150M is when divided by 400B shares? You guessed it – about .0004, the PPS where we are today. Therefore, could it be that this stock has a huge float and it takes monster volume to get it to move even one tick rather than some MM conspiracy? Why not? Speculation? Of course, but what theory isn’t? Need more? Keep reading: Yesterday (19 Jul 04), a pro rata dividend was declared for the issuance of 40B shares of CIM to CMKX shareholders as of 31 Aug 04. The keys to this PR are NOT the value of such shares, but the fact that the dividend is pro rata and that this dividend date is after the UCAD dividend date. Let me explain: The term "pro rata" by definition means that the numbers are proportionately divisible into exact amounts. In other words, CMKX's O/S is divisible BY or INTO 40B (the number of the CIM shares being issued as a dividend). Therefore, our O/S, for example, could be 4B (10:1 ratio of CIM:CMKX shares, where you would receive 10 CIM shares for every 1 share of CMKX you own), 10B (4:1 ratio), 20B (2:1 ratio), 40B (1:1 ratio), 80B (1:2 ratio), ... etc all the way up to 400B (1:10 ratio). Moreover, and contrary to what others have posted, a pro rata dividend can as easily be a fraction (eg, 1:10) as it can a multiple (10:1). As such, the O/S can as easily be 400B as it can 40B or 4B. Now, given the other two pieces of circumstantial evidence above (the current PPS and confirmation of Joel’s claim regarding the number of shares issued), I believe the O/S is 400B. This would make a neat 1:10 pro rata ratio for the CIM dividend as well, where you are issued 1 share of CIM for every 10 shares of CMKX you own. Speculation? Absolutely, but here’s the final piece of the puzzle – the CIM dividend declaration date of 31 Aug 04. See, my speculation is that once the O/S is released (which it must be on 20 Aug 04 in order for the UCAD dividend to be issued), people are going to s**t their pants because it is so much larger than everyone speculated. Well, how do you keep shareholders from running to the hills? You keep them aboard by guaranteeing them a reward for their loyalty - say, a dividend at a later date, like 31 Aug, for example. By doing so, you are providing investors incentive to not dump their millions and billions of shares on the market, which, of course, would deflate whatever gains had been achieved. But why would UC do this? Pessimistically, it could be to keep the PPS up. However, I think differently. I think he would do so because he knows we have bigger and better things to come, so while he cannot hide from the truth of the O/S being 400B, he can do whatever it takes to keep us together as a team through the announcement so that we can all benefit from the greater returns down the road. Speculation? ALL OF IT. But for those who are ready to dismiss my premises, why are they any different from others’? They aren’t. It’s just that they aren’t “pie in the sky” predictions. That’s it. So before you write this post off as nonsense, read it and tell me I haven’t backed up my speculation with logic and numbers. You can’t. Before I close, know that I did not go through this whole process to bash. I am 50M long on CMKX, have been in since .0001, and am not going anywhere. Why? Because I believe in the potential of this company. In the short term, I do think that MMs have naked shorted the snot out of this stock, and by declaring a dividend of a stock that is not publicly traded (CIM), it will force the MMs to cover, which alone will give us a boost. In the long term, Urbie is sitting on a million-plus acres of mineral rights on land that has turned up hundreds of magnetic anomalies. Add to the fact that he hired a top notch attorney to help oversee affairs and I think we have a winning combination. Again, LONG TERM. Therefore, the question you have to ask yourself is this: IF the O/S is 400B, are you going to sell your shares? And if so, then ask yourself why you invested in the first place. If the answer is you were looking to make a quick buck and it didn’t pan out, then so be it. But if you think you really ARE a long term believer in CMKX, then the announcement of the O/S, if it is 400B, should not throw you for a loop. In short, expect the best, but prepare for the worst, and you’ll be able to manage the swings much easier. Good luck to all. IP: Logged |
sneither Member |
posted July 20, 2004 07:05
originally posted by noah: quote: Noah, ** I am one of those who have the 'Restricted' shares sitting in my IP: Logged |
bill1352 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 07:35
i agree with the post from another board about the 400 billion o/s...i don't think UC is dishonest just the opposite i think he is an honest blue collar type guy in a business areana or a duck out of water and this is where the lawyer comes in. this is his ballpark. he is at home with the market, #'s of shares, the mm's. i also think the lawyer would not have gotten involved if the diamonds were not there. IMO IP: Logged |
pharmdman Member |
posted July 20, 2004 08:21
quote: Hey 'Panky!! He'e I is! Rough week at work! Damn! I missed all the fun! or did I? Looks like thing are going to percolate over the next month IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 08:37
Pre-open L2 looks like this: Bid: 6 x .0004 Ask: 1 x .0005 (guess who) IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 08:38
Pre-open L2 looks like this: Bid: 7 x .0004 Ask: 1 x .0005 (guess who) [This message has been edited by noahltl (edited July 20, 2004).] IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 08:41
I'm sure going to miss being on line today. Stock market "reality show", the MM's have to eat the worms, but we still win. Everybody be careful of the "bashers" I'm sure they will be out in force. And they will not just be yelling "Scam", they'll be subtle, so watch out, read carefully. Know that UC and Roger have a plan, and watch it unfold. We've already seen Act I and Act II, don't miss the rest by selling out too soon. [This message has been edited by noahltl (edited July 20, 2004).] [This message has been edited by noahltl (edited July 20, 2004).] IP: Logged |
cool1sh Member |
posted July 20, 2004 08:45
Thanks Noah. Hopefully JEFF'll move to 0006 by 9:30
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VNGNTN1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:01
NOAH / COOL Do you agree if Bid-ask begins to separate that would indicate covering ? 1-Picking up extra money 2-Hold off buying VAN IP: Logged |
richnessforeveryon1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:03
I read quickly today's and yesterday's posts.... No one is wonder why UC sell now 5% of he's rights on the claims he hold to UCAD. Let ask the question otherwise.... If you know that you found the biggest diamonds finding in North America would you sell 5% of your claims??? NO AND AGAIN NO...... In my opinion UC will now try to sell his claims (this is only the beginning) to mining companies on the basis of geometric results and this is WHY HE NEED A LEGAL FIRM for represent him..... Here is the big deal ...not for you the shareholders (again I'm not a shareholder) but for UC....(nice play UC)..... So now you know my own DD........ This explain UCAD price increase like now they have more claims on diamonds fields. MM's aren't stupid.....so this explain too why CMKX will stay in the 0.0001-0.0005 range.... My opinion is as valid as yours and can be based on yesterday trading day......and perhaps will be valided in the future especially if UC continue to sell his claims to mining companies..... I guess that you (the optimists) are all wrong.......but perhaps I'm too wrong. Please stop to criticize my English knowledges and to attack European people with your verbal statements.... Never I said something bad about US people.... Enough is enough...try to be more tolerating and to accept criticisms from other persons or are you so blind men in your investments...... THE TRUTH IS ELSEWHERE [This message has been edited by richnessforeveryon1 (edited July 20, 2004).] IP: Logged |
cool1sh Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:08
I do agree, but not with CMKX. I think buying will continue with CMKX even though there is a bid-ask spread IMO
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VNGNTN1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:09
GEE RICHNESS Give us a good pick ! VAN IP: Logged |
richnessforeveryon1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:14
I readed last CMKX PR..... Or I'm stupid or this stuff is too high for me but if I read it correctly now UC give $1,000,000 to himself...... If someone can understand this !!!!!!! CIM or CMKX or XXX or XXXX or XXX or XXXX all UC companies... Correct???? [This message has been edited by richnessforeveryon1 (edited July 20, 2004).] IP: Logged |
Money_Penny Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:18
READ the last two pages of this thread and LEARN - you don't have to be an english major to figue this out...and even stupid people should understand . IP: Logged |
Brad Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:20
For those of us that read more than we participate on this board might I suggest just skipping over any entries by richnessforeveryon1. Makes for quicker scrolling down the page. IP: Logged |
Booty Quest Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:21
Hey there, FarmBoy! Welcome back to the partaaay! Ucad closed at $4.50 yesterday and has an ask of $5.00 right now. Nice! And now...for an encore presentation:
Try her in slow motion. Clicking on the scroll BAR on the right will pause her until you release. Keep slow-clicking to get the Baywatch effect IP: Logged |
richnessforeveryon1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:21
quote: OHHHHHHHHHH Money......you are soooooooooooooooooooooo genious and I'm a poor stupid person..... [This message has been edited by richnessforeveryon1 (edited July 20, 2004).] IP: Logged |
richnessforeveryon1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:24
quote: I agree..... IP: Logged |
Money_Penny Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:31
My scrolling stopped with Booty's post LOL. Darren, if you're offended by that then I can't help you. That's just plain funny and not the least bit offensive. IP: Logged |
thinkmoney Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:40
hmm. ucad is up today. cmkx a measley 25 % in 2 days so far. Whats up with ucad up ann not us? IP: Logged |
noahltl New Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:44
Juina Mining Corporation Receives Its First Processed Gold from Yellow River Gold Mine via COMTEX July 20, 2004 LAS VEGAS, Jul 20, 2004 (BUSINESS WIRE) -- Juina Mining Corporation (Pink Sheets:GEMM) announced today that the Company has received in its office in Las Vegas, its first processed gold from the Yellow River Gold Mine. Juina will continue to process at Yellow River and update and expand its current facilities. Juina Mining Corporation, a Nevada corporation, has a 49% interest in a joint venture partnership with DIAGEM International Resource Corp. (DGM) in the Brazilian company Juina Mining Mineracao, Ltd. (JMML) JMML holds an 86% working interest in the mining and mineral rights to approximately 1000 hectares (2,471 acres) of diamond bearing land in the District of Juina, Mato Grosso, Brazil -- the "Property 1000." Property 1000 is located in the District of Juina, at the southern region of the Amazon Basin. Further details relative to this project, and other potential upcoming projects, will be forthcoming in future press releases and at http://www.juinamining.com/. Safe Harbor Statement under the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995: Statements contained in this document which are not historical fact are forward-looking statements based upon management's current expectations that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in or implied by forward-looking statements. SOURCE: Juina Mining Corporation Juina Mining Corporation Chris Hanneman, 303-220-8476 Customize your Business Wire news & multimedia to match your needs. Get breaking news from companies and organizations worldwide. Logon for FREE today at www.BusinessWire.com. Copyright (C) 2004 Business Wire. All rights reserved. IP: Logged |
richnessforeveryon1 Member |
posted July 20, 2004 09:45
quote: Its like I said (read my posts) IP: Logged |
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