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Author Topic:   CMKX IV New Thread....GOT IT - HOLDIN' IT
Brad
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posted July 26, 2004 22:51     Click Here to See the Profile for Brad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting comments from another board.

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By: houstontex1110
26 Jul 2004, 09:29 PM EDT
Msg. 52250 of 52335
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MATHEMATICAL ANALYSIS I LOVE IT

1. CMKM is acquiring 60% of the undivided min. rts to 500,000 acres. Undivided means our rights extends across every square inch of the property. We therefore net 100% of 300,000 acres.

2. OK, but is it a good buy or did we get hosed? CMKM shareholders are paying out 35billion shares and receiving 50% of the income. Income is what it is all about...bottom line stuff. UC for his 40billion shares receives a maximum amount, so I understand, and then is cut out of the profit distribution. That implies we the shareholders steps into his position and receives his prior profit flow as well.

3. So for 35 billion shares eventually you will receive 100% of the income, therefore we just bought 300,000 acres for 35billion shares times the close of .0005 equals $17,500,000. Debeers values a measly 58,000 acres at 40 to 50 billion dollars. We just purchased nearly 6 times as much for a song and dance-$17,500,000.

4. I apologize if the numbers are off. Ordinarily I would take hours to run these numbers, but posters are screaming for an analysis. Oh, you should add on the I believe $67,000,000 Equals $84,500,000. The $67,000,000 Is Uc's total profit. Folks, we just pulled off a grand deal. We do not actually dillute our stock by a total of $84.5million, we just lose $67million out of perhaps 10 billion. Can you live with that?

5. UC has demonstrated that he is above all...A DEAL MAKER, as Donald Trump wrote, The Art Of The Deal.

6. Not only is it a bargain price, it diversifies our land holdings. You never know where that mega giant mineral discovery will come through. You must have a sizable piece of the action across a broad expanse. UC is attempting to ensure we will find the next company maker.

7. Finally we are paying a little over $60 per acre for 100% of the mineral rights covering a net 300,000 acres.

8. Therefore, do not raise the objection of dillution. Dillution is only relevant when you get burned. We just bought a 100 acre ranch for $6000, figuratively speaking.

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kguts11
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posted July 26, 2004 22:53     Click Here to See the Profile for kguts11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry, too slow.

Kev

[This message has been edited by kguts11 (edited July 26, 2004).]

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Wallace#1
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posted July 26, 2004 22:56     Click Here to See the Profile for Wallace#1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Up,

I am not an expert on Nevada Corporate law so I could have been incorrect as to an additional 500 bil. Don't bother yourself if you do not feel like it. Excluding something like that (state of inc. law) UC + other controlling shareholders can do almost anything they wish to do with the company and it's shares.

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VNGNTN1
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posted July 26, 2004 22:56     Click Here to See the Profile for VNGNTN1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The 40bn shares UC is using are part of the ones he restricted last year. The 35bn are in the treasury.
SO
We are beginning to get a piecmeal inventory.
Can anyone remember how many shares UC restricted?
1-UC restricted shares=40bn+??
2-35bn in treasury
3-??bn retired(35bn may be part of this number)
VAN

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rivercity
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posted July 26, 2004 22:59     Click Here to See the Profile for rivercity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wallace, you left some items out,UC gets paid only if property is profitable and after expenses. so not only do they have to mine this property, it has to be profitable after expenses....all the facts please... rivercity

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WWJD-thru-me
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posted July 26, 2004 23:12     Click Here to See the Profile for WWJD-thru-me     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This PR sounds good to me. I think the pieces of the puzzle are coming together. I am positive on the company and UC and think we will be seeing a mining company to reckon with applying for listing with full disclosure in the near future (30-90 days?)put together and filed by Roger Glenn. I predict the price will be better than .0005. At least that's how I am reading it. Still buying if it's still on sale. GLTA-DD-IMO-Debi -Good Night

Wallace -Hi -You have mail. -Debi

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Wallace#1
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posted July 26, 2004 23:14     Click Here to See the Profile for Wallace#1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Winsum,

Try to look at as a brand new company starting out with no shares and in it's most simple form.

Board of Directors "authorizes" 10,000,000 shares to be issued for various purposes or at the discretion of management. At this point none are issued.

Subsequently, 6,000,000 shs are "issued" (may also be called "new shares") to controlling people who put up the monies to start the business. Now you would have 10,000,000 authorized shs of which 6,000,000 shares are both "issued and outstanding".

Next, suppose they have a public offering of 4,000,000 shs. Now you would have 10,000,000 shs "authorized, issued and outstanding". Generally speaking (and there are qualifications), the 4,000,000 shares sold publically would be refered to as "float" or "public float".

Now, suppose they want to acquire a company for 1,000,000 shs. In order to do so the Board of Directors would have to authorize an additional 1,000,000 shares. Once issued in exchange for the acquisition, that 1 mil shs also becomes part of the authorized, issued and outstanding. Depending upon the circumstances (to whom it is going), it may or may not become part of the public float.

Hope I have not confused you more.

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Wallace#1
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posted July 26, 2004 23:22     Click Here to See the Profile for Wallace#1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Let's not get too smart rivercity. When you quote something, three dots (...) incorporate whatever is there into the quote. It just saves repeating the whole thing. If you go back and look at the release you will see just where I put the three dots and, therefore, left out no facts.
Besides, I figured all of you read the release.

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rivercity
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posted July 26, 2004 23:32     Click Here to See the Profile for rivercity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wallace, no intention of getting to smart,your staement was out of context,my misunderstanding, you intended to skip some of the info,thanks rivercity

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Wallace#1
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posted July 26, 2004 23:35     Click Here to See the Profile for Wallace#1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No problem rivercity.

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Brad
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posted July 26, 2004 23:38     Click Here to See the Profile for Brad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Let's not get too smart rivercity. When you quote something, three dots (...) incorporate whatever is there into the quote. It just saves repeating the whole thing. If you go back and look at the release you will see just where I put the three dots and, therefore, left out no facts.
Besides, I figured all of you read the release.

Wallace, rivercity was making a good point. You were certainly dishing out a dose of sarcasm by saying that UC was only contributing $16K worth of stock in exchange for $62 million potential. Ending your comment with "LMAO". Which we've already determined was incorrect math on your part.

Rivercity was then simply pointing out that he can't even get the return on his investment unless the property turns out to be profitable and only after all expenses are paid.

Rivercity,
Good point and thanks for making note of it.

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rivercity
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posted July 26, 2004 23:51     Click Here to See the Profile for rivercity     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
brad you're welcome,wallace,i was not trying to get smart,more so trying to be polite,but brad is correct you were being sarcastic,which is ok with me. thanks again brad,UC gets nothing until after expenses and then only up to 62mil. after that it goes to share holders. not to bad if the minerals are there in large quantities,jmo.....rivercity

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Wallace,

In case you haven't noticed, your credibility is quickly fading (just in case there is any left). You have made two incorrect statements with mal intent tonight (and you were caught on both of them), and your favorite "scare tactic" from the last two days - the bogus discussion about naked shorted shares and the alleged illigitamacy (spelling ?) of our shares - was shattered with one post by Gatorman stating the FACTS about what the TA's know about us and our accounts. So before the hole you have started to dig for yourself gets any bigger, why don't you just call it quits? Think about it, this here will be a fairly painless exit for you, but should you continue spreading such unmistakable innuendo across OUR board, with the sole intent to harm this company and its shareholders, the "BOARD POLICE" will be all over you, and we outnumber you, and we are younger, stronger and much much smarter and we have night sticks and guns, LOL, and we can make your stay here a living hell...so don't let it come this far...bail out while you still can!!!

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WinsumLosesum
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posted July 27, 2004 00:18     Click Here to See the Profile for WinsumLosesum     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wallace

So you're saying, out of my two descriptions of "authorized shares", the more accurate one is the one that describes it as a license to print X amount of shares?

At this point, I am tempted to take this off-line, but I believe I'm not the only one who can learn from this discussion.

Thanks.

(By the way, may I take a moment to say that even though I don't understand what is going on, I am getting incredibly positive vibes from what I'm hearing? I own stock in a company that I don't even know still exists (USCI). I own numerous companies of which I hear of nothing but delay after delay. But CMKX is wheeling and dealing, and something's going on here that is beyond me, and I'm thinking a few years from now, I'm going to have a story that people won't be able to stop me from telling over and over.

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JBCak47
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posted July 27, 2004 00:25     Click Here to See the Profile for JBCak47     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Wallace will soon be left speachless

If this new area of land does contain diamonds, and, wow, sure enough it is next to our 1.4 million claim that we have the aerial survery to... hmmmmmmmmm.....

UC is helping to cushion the blow of the shares with using his own. I like that. Hey I invested into a company that is willing to take some risks, but spread out on all levels. I like that

Now is a reason to load up... now don't we all see what is happening???

To get any part of this dividend you will have to hold shares... now this couls take what, upto a year to pan out!!!!!!!!! WOW, HOW MANY OF US NOW WILL HOLD FOR OVER A YEAR?!?!? I WILL

I have 3 million shares... Now at the very most I will only sell 1 million short-term. I plan on getting at least 750k-1 million more by Aug 14th...

SO..... the MM's have to cover, and now if this deal pans out, and I think it will be profitable since we have the magnetic surveys, the MM's will have to cover and buy back any naked shorts... What happens when people wont sell them shares? The price goes up... Well they now can not just cover and pay dividends to every naked shorted share... they gotta get them back, now it will be too expensive, espically if the new exploration turns out to be profitable...

Does anyone else see what is happening ?!?!??!


CMKX is forcing the MM's to cover by issuing US dividends, one in CIM, one in UCAD now a POSSIBLE cash dividend for the new property.

At the same time he is attracting new investors with the Race Car...

He is also forcing investors to hold long in order to get any possible pay out, the first being Ucad.... then the next being CIM and then the new property...

This will all play an important role in our PPS.... If it hits .05, .1 .2 will we sell since if this land is truely worth what debeers is worth, we would be at over .40-.50 or so... You see?!?!

-John-

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posted July 27, 2004 00:29     Click Here to See the Profile for tahoechris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your still assuming there is a naked short position, which seems to be not as large, after this pr, IMO. Other than that you make good points.

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JBCak47
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posted July 27, 2004 00:30     Click Here to See the Profile for JBCak47     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Even with no naked shorts CMKX will be worth as bundle if they can produce diamonds/minerals...

-John-

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Money_Penny
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posted July 27, 2004 00:34     Click Here to See the Profile for Money_Penny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by tahoechris:
Your still assuming there is a naked short position, which seems to be not as large, after this pr, IMO. Other than that you make good points.

What makes you think that naked shorting is less of an issue now???

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WorkAHolic
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posted July 27, 2004 01:00     Click Here to See the Profile for WorkAHolic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can bet there are naked shorts. With this volume and little movement, it's there. Not only is it there, I'll bet....hmmm (I've already bet), the MMs are getting a bit nervous. There's too much coming out for this thing to stay down. Hold, hold, hold....IMO

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WorkAHolic
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I would like to see the CMKM DIAMONDS, INK web site updated and the new message board up and running. That would sharpen discussions, I believe.

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tahoechris
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posted July 27, 2004 01:06     Click Here to See the Profile for tahoechris     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not saying there isnt naked shorting, because I really don't know, but I think its not as big as it was made out to be. I do think we have a big OS, and i think the # of shares out there keeps it from moving at the time being. I think big mergers are in the works though..

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JBCak47
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Here is the question...

In one years time we shall be reaping the benefits of any diamond finds..

However, will we sell out at .05, .1, .25, .5 or even one dollar???

Seriously...

We have to hold long for any of the dividends, espically the newest one in the works...

How on earth would I be able to NOT sell 1 million of my shares at .3 or even .2??

I really hope this ends up being my 'worst' effin problem of the next year! If I should sell at .2 or wait for .3 Ouch...

Lol...

-John-

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noahltl
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posted July 27, 2004 01:39     Click Here to See the Profile for noahltl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Shares are rule 144 shares. Here's rule 144, note the need for a TA company. Seems like we own one.....

Securities Act Rule 144
Selling restricted or control securities in the marketplace can be a complicated process. This is because the sales are so close to the interests of the issuing company that the law might require them to be registered. Under Section 5 of the Securities Act of 1933, all offers and sales of securities must be registered with the SEC or qualify for some exemption from the registration requirements. If you have acquired restricted securities or hold control securities and want to publicly sell them, you may need to make special efforts to show that your public sales are exempt from registration.

Rule 144 provides an exemption and permits the public resale of restricted or control securities if a number of conditions are met, including how long the securities are held, the way in which they are sold, and the amount that can be sold at any one time. But even if you’ve met the conditions of the rule, you can’t sell your restricted securities to the public until you’ve gotten a transfer agent to remove the legend.

For more information about selling your restricted or control securities, read our overview, Rule 144: Selling Restricted and Control Securities.
http://www.sec.gov/answers/rule144.htm

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For those concerned with the lack of drilling equipment, we just came up with some.

Casavant stated, "We are delighted to make the acquisition of this property, which is covered by our proprietary Goldak Airbourne surveys. We will be traveling to Saskatchewan in August with executives from U.S. Canadian Minerals Inc. to view the property owned by CMKM with the intent of planning a drilling schedule." The drilling will be performed with Rick Walker and United Carina Resources Corp. (CA:UCA), Consolidated Pine Channel Gold Corp. (CA:KPG) and Shane Resources Ltd. (CDNX: SEI).

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posted July 27, 2004 06:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Grasshopper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just a quick question as I don't have any time right now (or maybe just too lazy!) to look it up...Are these rule-144 restricted shares eligible for the dividend pay outs?

I guess I have another question. I'm assuming that with CMKM able to dish out 75 billion shares, they will still have the majority interest by holding at least another 75+ billion shares. Do the remaining shares that UC/CMKM holds have to be oustanding shares to retain their controlling interest or would authorized shares also count towards the 51% they need to hold (i.e., would we have to now assume that there are a minimum of 150 billion shares issued and outstanding or perhaps just the 75 bil Nevada Minerals is getting)?

Thanks all! Looking forward to an interesting day and some informative posts. GLTA

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posted July 27, 2004 07:23     Click Here to See the Profile for Grasshopper     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I guess I did have a little time to answer my own questions! Here's more info on terminology for us wannabes!
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/basics/03/030703.asp

Financial lingo is very important for anybody interested or invested in products like stocks, bonds, or mutual funds. Many of the financial ratios used in fundamental analysis include things like outstanding shares and the float. Let's go through these terms so that next time you come across them, you can know their significance.

Restricted and Float
When you look a little closer at the quotes for a company, you may see some obscure terms that you've never encountered before. For instance, restricted shares refer to a company's issued stock that cannot be bought or sold without special permission by the SEC. Often, this type of stock is given to insiders as part of their salaries or as additional benefits. Another term that you may encounter is “float.” This refers to a company's shares that are freely bought and sold without restrictions in the public. Denoting the greatest proportion of stocks trading on the exchanges, the float consists of regular shares that many of us will hear or read about in the news.


Authorized Shares
Authorized shares refer to the largest number of shares that a single corporation can issue. The number of authorized shares per company is assessed at the company's creation and can only be increased and decreased through a vote by the shareholders. If at the time of incorporation the documents state that 100 shares are authorized, then only 100 shares can be issued.

Now just because a company can issue a certain number of shares doesn't mean that it is going to issue all of these shares to the public. Typically, companies will, for many reasons, keep a portion of the shares in their own treasury. For example, CTC may decide to maintain a controlling interest within the treasury just to ward off any hostile takeover bids. On the other hand, the company may have shares handy just in case it wants to sell them for excess cash (rather than borrowing). This tendency of a company to reserve some of its authorized shares leads us to the next important and related term: outstanding shares.

Outstanding Shares
Not to be confused with authorized shares, outstanding shares refer to the number of stocks that a company actually has issued. This number represents all the shares that can be bought and sold by the public as well as all the restricted shares that require special permission before being transacted. As we already explained, shares that can be freely bought and sold by public investors are called the “float,” and this value changes depending on if the company wishes to repurchase shares from the market or sell out more of its authorized shares within its treasury.

Let's look back at our company CTC. From the previous example, we know that this company has 1000 authorized shares. If they offered 300 shares in an IPO, gave 150 to the executives and retained 550 in the treasury, then the number of shares outstanding would be 450 shares (300 float shares + 150 restricted shares). If after a couple years CTC was doing extremely well and wanted to buy back 100 shares from the market, the number of outstanding shares would fall to 350, the number of treasury shares would increase to 650, and the float would fall to 200 shares since the buyback was done through the market (300 – 100).

Hold on a minute though--this is not the only way that the number of outstanding shares can fluctuate. In addition to the stocks it issues to investors and executives, many companies offer stock options and warrants. These stock options and warrants are instruments that give the holder a right to purchase more stock from the company's treasury. Every time one of these instruments is activated, the float and shares outstanding increase while the number of treasury stocks decrease. For example, suppose CTC issues 100 warrants. If all these warrants are activated, then Cory's Tequila Corporation will have to sell 100 shares from its treasury to the holders of the warrants. Thus, by following the most recent example, where the number of outstanding shares is 350 and treasury shares is 650, the exercise of all the warrants would change the numbers to 450 and 550 respectively, and the float would increase to 300. This effect is known as dilution.

Why is it important?
Because the difference between the number of authorized and outstanding shares can be so large, it's important that you realize what they are and which figures the company is using. Different ratios may use the basic number of outstanding shares while others may use the diluted version. This can affect the numbers significantly and possibly change your attitude towards a particular investment; furthermore, by identifying the number of restricted shares versus the number of shares in the float, investors can gauge the level of ownership and autonomy that insiders have within the company. All these scenarios are important for investors to understand before they make a decision to buy or sell.

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So what your saying is that UC is acting as
the banker in this venture. He buys the
rights and we split the profit or loss.

No money down for us!

Gota love it!

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Thats what Wallace is only good at. He makes incorrect comments and when he get caught, he tries to skip it. Last time when he get caught he left for some time, came back as if he is changed man. After all Wallace is Wallace.

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Originally posted by Brad:
Wallace, rivercity was making a good point. You were certainly dishing out a dose of sarcasm by saying that UC was only contributing $16K worth of stock in exchange for $62 million potential. Ending your comment with "LMAO". Which we've already determined was incorrect math on your part.

Rivercity was then simply pointing out that he can't even get the return on his investment unless the property turns out to be profitable and only after all expenses are paid.

Rivercity,
Good point and thanks for making note of it.


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Okay, I am not sure if someone already said this but I am trying to follow the ball here and this is what I see.

1. If UC gave up 40 Billion of his own shares without giving up contolling interest in CMKX then he must have at least 76 Million more shares left after this deal. If 400 Billion was the estimate before this deal and now that will increase to 435 Billion with Nevada holding 75 Billion of those shares which is about 17% of the O/S total. UC would have to control a little more than the 75 Million shares in order to maintain controlling interest (Unless he is giving up controlling interest with this deal).
2. Everybody was wondering what the heck those 40 Billion share of CIM is that we were going to get. Well what if UC is going to start another mining company with this new purchased land and call it Cassavant Internation Mining Inc. Or he could be leaving CMKX all together (thus why he is giving up controlling interest) and starting this new company with new land. In any event, if that is the case, it looks like he is taking the CMKX shareholders with him.

This is just wild speculation and I am sure alot of holes will be shot in my theory but it does seem strange that he gave up 40 Billion of his own shares and that just so happens to be the exact amount of shares that will be given out of this CIM stock.

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posted July 27, 2004 09:18     Click Here to See the Profile for VNGNTN1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
help me get this up -to date
= = = = = = = = =
We are beginning to get a piecmeal inventory.
Can anyone remember how many shares UC restricted?
1-UC restricted shares=40bn+??
2-35bn in treasury
3-??bn retired(35bn may be part of this number)
4-ALLSTOCK BOARDMEMBERS(Shadow list)1bn
5-??tn-Shares retired from float
VAN[/B][/QUOTE]
= = = = = = = = =
VAN

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Latest from Zen 7/27

>>>>>The Master Plan....BY ZEN<<<<<<<<
« Thread started on: Today at 09:06:41 »

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THE MASTER PLAN


There’s a lot to sort out here. And just when you think you’ve got a handle on things, one more variable pops into your head that sends it all spinning. Believe me, I won’t claim to understand everything that is happening. I’m going to take my best stab at this but please understand that we are trying to guess Roger and Urban’s master plan and that is obviously under wraps.

First things first. Where I was BEFORE this release. My belief was that Roger and Urban were going to divvy up CMKX’s rights and claims and transfer them all to other vehicles. Cleaner vehicles free of shorting. Basically I believed the plan was to effectively “gut” CMKX and transfer ownership of everything into many, many, many different vehicles. First I believed that Urban would distribute every claim piece by piece – gold, zinc, uranium, copper, oil/gas, potash, etc. Whether it was CIM or UCAD or another entity (possibly a partnership with DeBeers?), I believed that in the end one other company would “buy out” their only remaining rights – diamonds. Effectively this would have distributed all rights to us the shareholders across a broad base of dividends and effectively stairstepped the value of the company, and screwed the short position blow by blow until their complete capitulation with the diamond rights. And then the vehicle which bought the diamond rights would be the one to go public so that Urban continues to be king of diamonds. Anyway enough of that. Things change.

What have we learned from this PR?

Urban is indeed giving. He is giving up 40 billion shares and is refusing to take a dividend on them while refusing payment for them except when the mining is profitable. I think we will continue to see his “giving” nature.

Roger is not only on board but actively partaking in the company’s plan. I must stress that a partner of this level becoming intimately involved enough to take trips of this nature means Roger is not simply filing paperwork. No, he is ACTIVELY engaged in this process. This is bigger than many can imagine.

There was something of significant value on that aerial survey in those 500,000 acres. Otherwise, Urban wouldn’t be wasting his or our time on them. Remember that this is THE MOST ADVANCED, DETAILED SURVEY DONE ON THIS PROPERTY.

This release tells me NOTHING about the trading float. It tells me there are restricted shares. It tells me Urban owned at least 40 billion shares. It tells me there will be 35 billion shares paid over to Nevada Minerals (who is owned by cmkx and UCAD now (who by the way is owned 49% by CMKX) but more on this later). Still I’m left not knowing the trading float. And I think that’s for a reason (more on that too in a bit).

This release tells me that Urban and Roger are very acquisitive.

This release tells me there are so many pieces in place and remaining to be put in place that we need to sit back and watch it all unfold.

THE EMPIRE

For starters, I believe we are on the edge of an empire in mining. There are some that dismiss our mining claims as puffery or horse manure. I believe nothing could be further from the truth. I believe the aerial survey is not simply a “rough idea” of this area’s deposits. I believe it displayed loud and clear the most impressive array of mining rights and claims probably ever seen before. I think well find out more detail about these “anomalies” in due time, possibly with some drilling results contained in a secured warehouse : ) . But I believe Roger didn’t step into the ring for real until that survey was completed and it confirmed everything that was suspected about this property – namely that it may be one of, if not THE, wealthiest properties ever witnessed.

So how do you just one day build an empire. Do you wave a flag and say “Here we are!! Come and get us” Not really. It’s just not that simple. Particularly when DeBeers is probably flanking you with a potential assault and the hedge funds are slapping your stock price around like a ragdoll. Enter Roger Glenn. Now a master plan for the empire must be assembled. The shorts must be eliminated. An appropriate vehicle or vehicles must be established to handle an empire’s worth of operations. And quite frankly, a pink sheeted CMKX shorted into the ground ain’t gonna cut it!!

IMO what is now becoming more obvious with each release is that a collection of juniors are conglomerating to form a unified empire of rights and claims. UCAD is giving us half ownership of their company. Now we’re giving UCAD a piece of CMKX. We’re all acquiring Nevada Minerals. UCAD owns a majority interest in Juina. I’m guessing United Carina is not far off. I’m guessing Consolidated Pine Channel is not far off. Shane Resources too. Not so sure about Shore Gold but possible. When it’s all said and done, UCAD is looking like a very tasty vehicle to hold an awfully large percentage of our claims … if not perhaps all of them. And what better name for a North American major to be formed than UCAD … U.S. Canadian Minerals, Inc. So, my thoughts today are that this release is yet another step in the direction of bringing all intended claims under the fold of a separate entity. Nevada Minerals held a biggie. 500k acres. Yeah, that’s a monster, and I’m guessing based on the aerial survey, it’s a bigger monster than any of us expect. I think this release was CRITICAL in acquiring a piece of property of this potential value at this stage. It is all part of the plan to bring these companies and properties together as one.

What else is in store? My thoughts lead me to the PR on December 29, 2003 talking about 2 public companies looking to buyout certain rights and claims from CMKX. Supposedly those buyouts were to be done by the end of January but mysteriously they were put on hold. I believe it was around this time that the REAL plan was actually begun and the talks for any buyouts were scrapped until far greater pieces were in place. And now they are. What are these other claims to be bought out? My best guesses lead me to a buyout of our potash, uranium and oil/gas rights. Someone mentioned POT (NYSE) the other day. Maybe. Our area is also widely known as highly rich in uranium. Others have hinted at map claims that seem to indicate we hold uranium rights. I don’t doubt that uranium would be a wonderful right to sell off for a huge cash infusion given that it is probably so highly regulated I doubt anyone in this new company would care to deal with THAT particular element. And as for oil/gas, I’m guessing that would be another great right to sell off as it doesn’t seem to fit what is developing to be a “precious metals” profile. I’m sure there would be suitors aplenty for all of these rights.

Ok, so back to the PR. Yeah, what about that PR? I offer all of the above as reason enough to say that if you overanalyze this PR you will make yourself ill. There is clearly something MASSIVE going on here. You don’t do the corporate shuffle at this level unless you are bracing for something significant. Roger Glenn does not sit around late at night devising clever corporate ways to burn through Urban’s money just so that he can get his legal fees. No, this is part of a master plan. And if anyone here (including myself) is arrogant enough to think they can get it correct, they are idiots. All we can do is guess and try to keep our eye on the forest and not the trees. Still, a few trees are forming.

INSIGHT #1: IMO we don’t know the OS yet because it wouldn’t do us any good. Anyone noticed how shares are flying back and forth fast and furious between companies? IMO until Urban has stopped giving, THE OS WILL NOT BE KNOWN. It does no good to release it today if it is going to restructure itself every other day. Just yesterday if they put out an OS release it would have read “The OS is X, with Urban owning Y.” Already that has changed. Pay attention to all the swapping going on. It’s incestuous! And until it all settles out and the landscape is clearer, I think we’re going to be waiting for that final OS. My guess is that by the CIM dividend, a LOT more things will have happened. It’s possible we may own many more companies by then. We may have cash dividends. We may receive more shares. We may give more shares. Who knows. Sit back and enjoy. It’s not very often you get to have front row seats to an empire being built IMO.

INSIGHT #2: We own 60% of Nevada Minerals now. UCAD owns 40%. We own 49%ish of UCAD after the dividend. Nevada Minerals owned 5 million shares of UCAD (29% of UCAD). UCAD owns 40 billion shares of us. Are you lost? I sure am. I’d need a degree in Calculus I think to figure out whether we even PAID for this 500k acre property. What I do know is that this property is dirt cheap when you factor in the fact that our right hand is feeding our left hand. What all of this is saying though is that we are becoming a more and more integrated unit with each release. And this is key.

INSIGHT #3: Urban is sending a very loud message to all shareholders. The same man that was retiring billions and billions of shares last year to help us is again helping us. He is paying for this with his shares, giving up his dividends, and refusing to take payment until the property turns a profit. All this horse pucky about Urban dumping on shareholders and diluting shareholders in the market is pure nonsense IMO. First off, he ain’t gonna be doing that in front of Roger or Roger would never have agreed to take him on as a client. And second, he is going out of his way to demonstrate time and again that he WANTS TO HELP US. I’m really believing that all the fanfare from the races about his giving nature is just simply true.

Ok, this is exhausting. The end game IMO is a simultaneous division and amalgamation of companies and claims. I believe the end game is to have at least one major holding company under which most claims will be held. I believe right now that vehicle is most likely UCAD. It is tightly held. Probably a near zero float. And if it continues to rise and stay above the $5 mark, I may start suspecting a nasdaq or nyse listing in the future (6-12 months from now? But maybe with a filing for listing earlier?). I believe though that Roger still has much more information to reveal to us before we see UCAD in its final form. CIM puzzles me a little. I’m not sure if they are simply planning on bringing it public as a zinc company or what. I don’t really have an answer as to that one. I do think we’ll sell some claims. That money may go into the company’s coffers to finance drilling and further acquisitions or it may turn into a cash dividend. I don’t know. Will De Beers join in on this dance? I don’t know. I do find it odd that they filed their corporate articles on May 28 and about 5 weeks later the listing was noted as DQ or in default. Peculiarly, another company using DeBeers’ very same transfer agent popped up within 48 hours of the DQ designation on July 6 under the name Crystalline Minerals (crystalline minerals being diamonds). Is this the entity with which DeBeers plans on doing something with CMKX? Who knows. Just guesswork.

In fact, it’s all guesswork. And that’s probably my final observation. I think there is just no way to know where or how the next move will be made. But I take great comfort in believing that law firms like EdwardsAngell don’t go to these lengths to a) hide a scam, b) cover up wrongdoings, c) get CMKX to the otcbb or d) to do anything for mere POTENTIAL claims. No I believe we are on the cusp of an empire. The pieces are being laid down methodically IMO. One by one, I believe questions will be answered. I also believe a LOT of this will NOT be understood. And that’s fine. Corporate law can be a huge, honking mess particularly when you are attempting to structure what may become a MASSIVE entity. Not everyone is a corporate attorney. And not everyone will understand every move. But again, see the forest instead of the trees. They are clearly pulling together a lot of resources from a lot of companies with a clear plan in mind.

My confidence level is back up over 90% (deductions still for Urban appearing at races – LOL). Jeez, anyone claiming scam at this point is barking in the wind. You just don’t assemble pieces like this unless something real is happening. Scams are hidden and secretive and usually accompanied by a ton of really fluffy press releases. We are seeing NONE of that any more. Straight forward. Dense. Meaty press releases. So dense in fact, that it’s nearly impossible to figure out the weight of each sentence.

Sorry this is so long. The above is all big, huge, flapping, gaping speculation. But I hope it gives some food for thought. They are my best effort at giving an overview of where I see things right now. Each successive PR has caught me offguard so it’s all subject to change once again. I am honestly more excited than I have ever been before. I think we’ll see many more pieces very soon. And I believe I will be in on the ground floor of an empire being built. This next sentence may hurt but it shouldn’t. I believe this may take a year. Don’t get scared. I just think that I’ll have the opportunity to exit in the near future (within a few months) at a massive profit. In fact, enough profit to possibly take care of me for the rest of my life. But I believe if I hang around a bit longer to see this empire reach its full potential, I believe I’ll be able to take care of my kids and their grandkids for the rest of their lives in addition to just myself. It may take a year, but that would be fine by me. That’s just my opinion.

As for the naked shorts, they simply can never survive this assault IMO. Ever. Whenever it is that they fold, good riddance. I think they are simply a bonus that has allowed us to enter at these absurd prices. Man did they ever get snookered. And pay for it royally they will IMO. But I’ve actually stopped caring about them much now. After today’s PR and when I really stopped to think about it, there’s much more going on here that is far more exciting than whenever it is that JEFF is going to get sledgehammered. Believe me I’ll be thrilled to see him go and it will be a great victory against an evil force in the market. But equally as important is watching a true empire take shape. Whether you’re in for 2 months, 6 months, or a year, I think this is going to be the most breathtaking, exhilarating experience you could ever hope to be a part of in the financial markets. I am stocking up on popcorn. Bigtime.

Z

As always, these are my personal opinions.

Hopefully nobody in here is investing anything but "fun" money that they can afford to gamble with

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I'm not sure how accurately my L2 reflect what's really going on but it seems like already this morning over a billion shares have been traded? And most are people buying at .0004 and JEFF is the only one that has shown that price...has that billion come from Jeff alone? Is it unusual for a MM to stand alone for 1 billion in volume in the first few minutes of trading on any one stock? Why don't the others jump in?

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There is no answer for this question, happens all the time with JEFF. It's been going on for the past few days.

Two possibilities IMO
1 He is Naked shorting
2 UC (or someone from CMKX) selling

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Originally posted by Bialystock:
I'm not sure how accurately my L2 reflect what's really going on but it seems like already this morning over a billion shares have been traded? And most are people buying at .0004 and JEFF is the only one that has shown that price...has that billion come from Jeff alone? Is it unusual for a MM to stand alone for 1 billion in volume in the first few minutes of trading on any one stock? Why don't the others jump in?

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Brad -Thanks for the Zen post. There is a lot of food for thought in there. He has some very well thought out and valid points. This is very difficult to sort out. I believe the Naked Short postition in CMKX is huge and that JEFF is in big trouble and stuck. I actually feel sorry for him. He is in a major mess. I think the NS baloney in the market drove UC to take these extreme measures to get this company up and running. I think it is nothing short of brilliant. Roger Glenn is a very good lawyer and does not come cheaply. We are going to end up with a great company and I definitely am long with most of my stock. I used to dimiss the idea of value in many other minerals besides diamonds. I knew we had zinc (by official PR). I thought maybe some gold. I still doubt the oil but I think Uranium and Potash are good possibilities. I agree with Zen that the share structure is changing frequently. I think it will continue to change and when we finally get the company filing we will be amazed at what UC and team has accomplished. I am trusting UC, Melvin and Roger-that is probably naive but we all make decisions about who we will trust and why. I will usually trust a person unless they give me a reason not to. UC seems straitforward. What you see is what you get. Melvin seems the same way. I would rather have an unsophisticated man with integrity represent the company than a polished con man who will say all the right things while stealing our wallets. Roger Glenn working to put this together really is a clue that they are creating something that out of the ordinary-his expertise is required. He has expertise in mergers and financing as his legal specialty. Good luck to all and I really need to not be in love with this stock. It is unhealthy to do so. But it is compelling. IMO-DD-Debi

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PLAYING AROUND with my MM trading model posted a few days ago, to prove there is profit in naked shorting. One scenario that might cause losses is:
Do the MM's pay the SEC charge WE see on our confirmations? for trades they buy & sell to each other or themselves? This would make it impossible to do in stocks trading less than about $.015
VAN

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Debi, well said. ty

In general, just ask yourself a question, if you know that you have something valuable (product, idea, mineral rights) wouldn't you get legal advice? Well, think of UC, with all these dealings and wheelings, and mineral rights, he needs legal advice left and right, he is working with few companies - the process may be too complicated, to ensure that everyone is happy, and on the end he needs to protect himself and CMKM Diamonds......I am starting to believe more and more that profitable diamonds are to be found soon as they start drilling - when I don't know, but I can wait.

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Let's see -- Money_Penny, JBCak, Truth Teller, Brad (?) and rivercity (?). Same posters time after time with the same old vendetta. Suppose, according to you, I started it this time as well. SIUYFA

And, by the way, if there is a large number of naked short sold shares, there's is also a HUGE PROBLEM for shareholders! FACT !!!!

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Anyone notice the absence of bashers posting lately?

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I guess you said it cpl of seconds early

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Anyone notice the absence of bashers posting lately?

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I've said this before but it needs to be said again. There is a BIG difference between bashing a stock versus attempting to point out some potentially negative aspects. Lately, if anyone says one negative word here, they're instantly labled a basher and ripped to shreds. I swear, this company could put out a p/r stating that Urban went through 40 billion of his shares last week wiping his back side with them and some here would say its his ingenious way of reducing the float, all part of the master plan. It gets tiring having to constantly defend a position when this forum is supposed to be OPEN for discussion, both positive and negative.

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************ Inc.: Burgeoning Bulletin Board Stocks: BESR, ITCV, DFRC, ARSK, CMKX
via COMTEX

July 27, 2004

Jul 27, 2004 (M2 PRESSWIRE via COMTEX) --

Stocks in the News: Itec Environmental Group Incorporated (OTCBB: ITCV), Diversified Financial Resources Corporation (OTCBB: DFRC), ARS Networks Incorporated (OTCBB: ARSK) and CMKM Diamonds Incorporated (OTC: CMKX).

Itec Environmental Group Incorporated (OTCBB: ITCV) shares traded with over two times the average trading volume on Monday. Itec Environmental Group, Inc develops and commercializes technologies that are economically and environmentally sound. The company has developed a cleaning system utilizing liquid carbon dioxide for cleaning recyclable plastic, oil and pesticide containers.

Bentley Sports Incorporated (OTC: BESR) traded strong with above average volume on Monday as share prices surged 20% at $0.06. Keep an eye on this company as it recently finalized plans to unveil its patented Kinetic Swing System(tm), an Internet based golf education system resulting from 15+ years of research that has proven to enhance the performance of beginning and amateur golfers, as well as the world's top players.

Diversified Financial Resources Corporation (OTCBB: DFRC) shares traded strong Monday with incredible above average volume trading and a 40% increase in share price at $0.0007. The company announced earlier this year that it was unable to complete the announced agreement to acquire a controlling interest in Impact Beverages Inc.

ARS Networks Incorporated (OTCBB: ARSK) shares rose 20% yesterday to close at $0.0006 on incredible above average volume. For the fiscal year ended 01/04, revenues rose 27% to $40 thousand while net loss from continuing operations totaled $2.9 million, up from $925 thousand.

CMKM Diamonds Incorporated (OTC: CMKX) shares remained unchanged despite trading 3,775,940,864 shares yesterday. The company announced Monday that it has agreed to acquire a 60%, undivided interest in 500,000 acres of potential Kimberlite mineral property in Saskatchewan, Canada.

As has been the case these past few weeks, the three major indices posted early gains only to lose ground as the day went on. The market closed on a lackluster note as the Dow traded sideways yesterday with no change while the Nasdaq and S&P 500 decreased a respective 0.54% and 0.20% as technology, health care, retail, material, and homebuilding posted significant losses, forcing the market lower.

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Wallace wrote: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Let's see -- Money_Penny, JBCak, Truth Teller, Brad (?) and rivercity (?). Same posters time after time with the same old vendetta. Suppose, according to you, I started it this time as well. SIUYFA


Hey a$$... I haven't spoken to you in days, infact I have restrained myself to the maximum point. If you are going to bring me up and talk smack about me then our little deal is off and I make four hundred thousand posts of things I could do with your wife and daughter... remember that post and what came from it? I beleive I worked you up into such a frenzy you contacted the admins... lol... Like a picked on loser kid in the third grade, go run to the nearest school official...

Keep trying your hardest to lower our pps by a tick... My money should be in next week, by Monday, another couple of hundred dollars !!!!


-John-

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JEFF moved up to .0005 for now.

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AM I THE ONLY ONE
noticing a change in status of the last PR ?
We own 60% of 500,000 acres(curious not in hectares) not claims LAND!
VAN

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vggnn

How do you mean? What would be the change in status? You lost me (which isn't that hard to do,lol)...

-John-

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Please people lets not attack each other. We don't want this to get like RB or Yahoo boards. These Pink and OTC companys are bad enough to deal with without us doing this to each other. Love thy neighbor is not always easy but is best. So if someone says something or labels you as something, let it go. Thanks timberman

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I agree timberman. Let's stay away from the name calling. Stick to the subject of CMKX. Regardless of whether it's good or bad news as long as it's backed up with facts or opinions stated as such. If it's opinions though be prepared to back up why you think the way you do.

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quote:
Originally posted by JBCak47:
vggnn

How do you mean? What would be the change in status? You lost me (which isn't that hard to do,lol)...

-John-



ALL previous PR's have been about ownership of CLAIMS. This appears to me to be LAND. Claims gives you the right to minerals, but land gives you much more(mainly cheaper access) This must be why UC was willing to ponyup his sahres as a gaurantee?
VAN

PS
UCAD up 7+% today

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vGNGTN

I see what you are saying. Yeah having the land and mineral rights does go much further then just mineral rights.

So now we have 1.9 (ONE-POINT-NINE-MILLION-ACRES) of land that we have mineral rights to! Yeahhhh babbyyyy, yeahhhh, groovy!

heheheh...

I wish I had more money to put into cmkx, however I am happy to be on board at stops .0004-.0008 lol... That works for me!!!lol...

-John-

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I would like to hear they are drilling. No one really knows what anything is worth till they find something! And that something better be worth it! I own 7 and a half million and I will not buy more till I hear that they are drilling! This other co DMXP is doing it and has diamonds and look at the share price and they are not 50 cents! Also I think with all the MMs controlling PPS it will be hard for it to go up. I just wanted to know what other share holders think! I mean isn't this common sense! We would all like to be rich but who knows when? I'm not selling but waiting to hear if this is worth it!

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