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noahltl
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posted July 21, 2004 11:09     Click Here to See the Profile for noahltl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
From another board:


alloymiken1
TERRIBLE IMBALANCE
« Thread started on: Today at 10:33am »

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I ran a spreadsheet on the buys versus sells this morning.

Here's is what we have as of 10:25 am. Another huge imbalance.


MM's sold 1,543,552,990 shares on 591 trades.

MM's bought 566,681,665 shares on 86 trades.

Buy versus sells - - - 74% to 26%


Guess they're still photocopying shares to sell!


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tahoechris
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hey xchange, don't type in all caps, I dont even read your posts because all caps is so annoying. Between you and diana I hate people thinking it gives them more attention.

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quote:
Originally posted by kguts11:
It is called Aplastic Anemia. It seems to be related to a form of Leukemia, although it is specifically a bone marrow disease.
http://www.aplastic.org/diseases.shtml

Hope this helps.

Kev


Aplastic Anemia isn't a form of leukemia. That page refers to MDS being a pre-leukimic condition that can convert to leukemia. MDS is not related to Aplastic Anemia though. Just a clarification.....

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noahltl
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posted July 21, 2004 11:17     Click Here to See the Profile for noahltl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Further from another board:

gerbs

HOOLD, HOOOLD, HOOOOOOLD

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on Today at 09:49am, Covert $$$ wrote:This is one of the weapons in the MM's bag of dirty tricks. They trade between themselves, it keeps the volume high and the pps low. To anyone on the outside, it appears that there are plenty of free trading shares floating around in the market. This practice makes the stock look like it has no value, when in fact, we all know that it does.

If we all hold on to our shares with a death grip, in time, the MMs will succumb to the realization that in order to attract the shares they need to cover their shorts, they will have to allow the pps to climb.


Bingo! That is exactly the position we are in IMO. The slug MMs are managing the perception of the market. Problem for them is most (hopefully) shareholders have either dome their own DD or have accepted the DD done by others and are in a holding pattern for a much higher price.

Time works against the MMs.

They NEED to cover by a certain date. We DON'T NEED to sell by a certain date.

Gerbs

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Brad
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posted July 21, 2004 11:18     Click Here to See the Profile for Brad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This from Dr. Diamond on another board. Apparently he's having trouble following Sterling's double naked sharing theory.

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This is wild! http://cmkx.********s35.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1090363677

NSS = Naked Short Shares
MM’s = Market Makers

Sterlings Scenario suggests two 500 Billion inventories as a mirror:
1st inventory = 500 billion naked short shares sold to us at $15 billion
2nd inventory = 500 billion NSS sold to MM's by MM's for $250 million

This totals 1 trillion NSS = $15 billion – $250 million = $14,750,000,000
Which has already been spent a long time ago.

Scenario says:
1st Inventory made $15 billion all profit for MM's
2nd Inventory cost $250 million expensed from profits of 1st inventory sell and is not an actual expense.
Actually the $250 million was for NSS created out of thin air so all of the profit goes right back to the MM’s so there is no cost at all and the Profit would still be $15 billion from the first sell of the NSS in the 1st Inventory. So since it was spent a long time ago the MM’s are still FLAT for the day with 1 trillion NSS in hand.

The MM’s have to get the NSS out of the market that they sold us and make them cease to exist. How? The scenario suggests $15 billion put back to wash out the old transactions and get the 1st NSS out of circulation. How? The scenario further suggests a boosting of the BID price to entice us to sell the NSS we are holding so they can be captured and extinguished.

The explanation is that the levels of covering is pretended to be .10/.20/.30/.40/.50

The 1st shaking produces 100 billion NSS kicked lose and covered for a measly .10 each or a maximum of $10 billion paid for by the MM's and is used to cover 100 billion of the 1st inventory and exterminating the 100 billion of the 500 billion NSS of the 1st Inventory

This makes the MM's $10 billion in the hole they paid out for the 100 billion shares of ours.

Now to recoup that the scenario suggests that the MM's now will sell 100 billion of its own NSS from the 2nd Inventory to none other than themselves thus recouping the $10 billion they had to pay for our 100 billion NSS from the 1st Inventory.

This makes sense:

Pay $10 billion for our shares and dispose of them
Then pay $10 billion for their own shares and dispose of them

$10 billion plus $10 billion = Zero? Wrong = $20 billion

Now the MM's are down $20 billion with the exception they just made $10 billion from themselves so they are actually only down $10 billion. But if you subtract the $10 billion they are down from the $15 billion they made as profit from the first inventory of NSS then they are actually still $5 billion ahead until you subtract the $250 million it took to buy the 2nd inventory which actually didn't cost them anything because they created NSS and sold them to themselves so they still made $250 million profit off the 2nd inventory and are still up a full $5 billion.

So they have successfully disposed of 200 Billion of a trillion naked short shares and only 800 billion NSS to go.

The MM's are looking real good. So let’s move it on up to the 2nd level of covering at .20.

We sell another 100 billion at a rather low price of .20 each and the MM's get a real bargain at only $20 billion dollars for our 2nd batch of 100 billion NSS that they can now erase from the 1st inventory and can now duplicate the sell to themselves from the 2nd inventory as in the plan of the scenario for the $20 billion they had to spend on our 1st Inventory NSS and we can recalculate our totals.

This makes sense:

Pay $20 billion for our shares and dispose of them
Then pay $20 billion for their own shares and dispose of them

$20 billion plus $20 billion = Zero? Wrong = $40 billion

Now the MM's are down $40 billion with the exception they just made $20 billion from themselves so they are actually only down $20 billion. But if you subtract the $5 billion they were up at the end of the 1st level of covering from the $20 billion they are down as a result of the 2nd level of covering from the first inventory of NSS then they are actually still only $15 billion down until you subtract the $250 million it took to buy the 2nd inventory which actually didn't cost them anything because they created NSS and sold them to themselves so they still made $250 million profit off the 2nd inventory. Now they remain at a cool "negative $15 billion"

So they have successfully retired 400 Billion of a trillion naked short shares and only 600 billion NSS to go.

As this scenario continues to unfold I believe it is obvious that:
At .30 Level of covering they lose another $30 billion dollars to cover our 100 billion shares for the 1st inventory and the second inventory is bogus. You can't sell something to yourself without paying yourself from your own funds. You don't make anything by paying yourself for something you sell to yourself!

The same can be seen at .40 and .50 as the MM's would lose another $90 bilion dollars and set them in the hole according to this scenario only $135 billion dollars to retire 1 trillion NSS shares.

I may have missed something that Sterling was saying so if I did please give me some input.

If you create NSS and sell them to yourself then you have no expense. But you don’t really have anything either. It is all profit, but it is also nothing. It doesn't matter if you pay .0005 or .0050 or .05 for the NSS, because you are selling NSS with real cusips to yourself that you created out of thin air to dispose of. You own 500 billion NSS that cost you $250 million that you didn't have to pay because all of it was profit to you. So you got nothing for nothing and that is exactly what it is, NOTHING!

You can't sell something to yourself for $10 billion (or nothing) and take that $10 billion (or nothing) as in the 2nd Inventory and therefore wipe out a $10 billion dollar expense to cover 100 billion NSS you had to pay out in cash to shareholders and dispose of them from existence in the 1st Inventory.

Sterling, I love you man, but you need to make this a lot plainer brother. I know you know better than this so I must have missed something somewhere. Anyone that knows the answer to the riddle please chime in.

Somebody help me!

Dr.D

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VNGNTN1
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posted July 21, 2004 11:21     Click Here to See the Profile for VNGNTN1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TW
I tried on OFFTOPIC yesterday and it was removed unless there were server problems at the time.
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NSS THEORY(a test)
I Placed these column headings on paper
Trade size
Trade price
ASK(sell
BID(buy)
NSS Inventory
CASH(+/-)
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I then ran some trades down the rows(different trade sizes,different bid /ask combinations)
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At NO TIME regardless of NSS position was my CASH negative.
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Anyone care to reconstruct this scenario and comment ? I'm not doing this to to disprove Naked Shorting, Only satify mayself that it doesn't matter and the key is in the "SPREAD"
VAN

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"They NEED to cover by a certain date. We DON'T NEED to sell by a certain date."

That line is worth repeating over and over again!

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noahltl
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posted July 21, 2004 11:22     Click Here to See the Profile for noahltl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here's some good DD and a little math to wake up your brain this morning:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://cmkxcafe.********s34.com/index.cgi?board=cat&action=display&num=1090385232

By: itsallaboutthemoney6
20 Jul 2004, 11:18 PM EDT
Msg. 407082 of 407155
Jump to msg. #
UCAD/(CIM) DIVIDEND = 15/80,000 SH. PER 1 MILLION SH. OF CMKX.

A DIVIDEND OF 7,500,000 SHARES OF UCAD.

DIVIDED BY 500,000,000,000 AUTH. SHARES OF CMKX.

7,500,000 / 500,000,000,000 = .000015 SHARES UCAD.

.000015 SHARES UCAD FOR EVERY 1 SHARE OF CMKX YOU OWN.

.000015 UCAD * 1,000,000 CMKX = 15 SH. DIV. PER 1 MILLION.


NOW HERE IS THE INTERESTING PART!


7,500,000 SHARES OF UCAD REPRESENTS THE VALUE OF 5% OF CMKX'S MINERAL RIGHTS CLAIMS.

100% / 5% = A MULTIPLIER OF 20

CURRENT - UCAD SHARE PRICE = $4.75 PPS.

$4.75 PPS * 7,500,000 SHARES = $35,625,000.00 USD.

TOTAL CURRENT CLAIM VALUE FOR CMKX =

$35,625,000.00 USD. * 20 = $712,500,000.00 USD.

$712,500,000.00 USD. / 500,000,000,000 CMKX A/S =

CMKX PPS OF $.001425 PER SHARE WITH AN A/S OF 500B.

WE ARE CURRENTLY UNDERVALUED BY 300%


THESE CALCULATIONS ARE BASED ON A MAX. O/S OF 500B SH.!

THE O/S IS IMMATERIAL AT THIS POINT.


WE ALSO HAVE 40B SH. OF (CIM) BOUGHT @ $.000025 PPS.

WHICH WILL BE DISTRIBUTED PRO RATA TO ALL CMKX SHARE HOLDERS OF RECORD ON 8/31/04.

40,000,000,000 / 500,000,000,000 = .08 SHARES (CIM).

.08 SHARES (CIM) FOR EVERY 1 SHARE OF CMKX YOU OWN.

.08 (CIM) * 1,000,000 CMKX = 80,000 SH. DIV. PER 1 MILLION.

I FEEL THINGS ARE COMING TOGETHER JUST FINE SORRY BASHERS

I AM LOADING UP THE TRUCK IN THE A.M.! MM'S ARE SCREWED.

THE MATH IS THERE PEOPLE, BUY BUY BUY!

STRIKE.

(((((( GO CMKX ))))))
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kguts11
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posted July 21, 2004 11:23     Click Here to See the Profile for kguts11     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure. I just glanced at it and posted the link. I'm actually not in the least familiar with that particular disease.

Kev


quote:
Originally posted by pharmdman:
Aplastic Anemia isn't a form of leukemia. That page refers to MDS being a pre-leukimic condition that can convert to leukemia. MDS is not related to Aplastic Anemia though. Just a clarification.....

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TradingWizard
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posted July 21, 2004 11:25     Click Here to See the Profile for TradingWizard     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VNGNTN1:
TW
I tried on OFFTOPIC yesterday and it was removed unless there were server problems at the time.
VAN

Thanks VAN,
May be allstocks did not wanted to run such info on their board - oh well, may be once in the while we should repost the message in this thread to make more people aware...

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'Alone we can do so little; together we can do so much.' - Helen Keller

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Brad
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posted July 21, 2004 11:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Brad     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This seems to be recurring theme with all the boards. http://1millionaire.********s31.com/index.cgi?board=DRD&action=display&num=1090419523

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on Jul 20th, 2004, 1:51pm, bigD wrote:I have a question for anyone who has the answer.

The theory that the dividend is a play by UC to make the shorts cover is some what confusing to me. Lets assume that the dividends are being issued in an attempt to make the MM's cover. From all the posts I have read nobody plans on selling before the issue of the dividends so how will the mm's be able to cover. If the whole point of covering the short position is to take the counterfeit shares out of the market before the dividend date and none of us sell to the mm's what will happen?

I understand how it would work if some loose hands sold before the dividend date, but if the Naked position is as large as some are saying (trillion shares) then how will the mm's possibly be able to cover that amount when the vast magority of nakes share holders are not selling? I for one do not intend to sell my shares until at least after the issue of the dividend. If the majority of shareholders are like me (I beleive they are) then what can be done to make the mm's cover? Will the SEC finaly have not other choice but to address the issue?

Any comments are appreciated.

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Great question "Big D". You should have threaded this one.

To be pretty matter of fact about the question "Big D" there would be only one sure way for them to cover is to keep offering and adding to the PPS until they manage to get to a high enough price for the longs and shorts to sell.

How high you might ask? No one knows for sure. What we do know for sure is they cannot cover without real shares to do it with. The fact would continue that they would probably have to go through and buy ALL Available shares and settle naked share positions with them, and then do it again , and again, and again, and again, and again.......

They can only use the authorized shares of CMKX they can get their hands on to cover with and if no one is willing to sell low (.0005 to .010 then they will have to keep uping the PPS until our emotional sell button is pushed. Believe me everyone has an emotional sell button. They may say they don't, but they do!

I will leave room for others to respond.

Still a great question.

Dr.D



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noahltl
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posted July 21, 2004 11:38     Click Here to See the Profile for noahltl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Good morning everybody. Gotta leave here and head for the fair with all of the heat and humidity, noise and confusion, children yelling, and hawkers barking their wares, dust and dirt, winners and losers. Wait a minute that's no different than it was in here last night. LOL No wonder I like it there. See ya all this evening.

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posted July 21, 2004 11:43     Click Here to See the Profile for JBCak47     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAIT!!!!!!!!!!


As of 8/31/04 if we own cmkx we will ALSO be getting CIM??? I thought the CIM shares were already done...

So we are getting both UCAD AND CIM??? I know we will, hopefully, get the UCAD but I never realizied CIM shares as well...

-John-

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posted July 21, 2004 11:44     Click Here to See the Profile for VNGNTN1     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
NOAH
I think there is a flaw in that logic. The value was set at time of agreement regardless of dividend date at a value; and the fact that UCAD is moving up does not affect the "LAST SALE" value. I do think that this particular deal transferred greater value to UCAD. The question is how many on this board will follow it? UCAD is pricy for those here and the financial don't indicate a pps either. I have a limit order in for $3.00
VAN

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quote:
Originally posted by JBCak47:

WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAIT!!!!!!!!!!


As of 8/31/04 if we own cmkx we will ALSO be getting CIM??? I thought the CIM shares were already done...

So we are getting both UCAD AND CIM??? I know we will, hopefully, get the UCAD but I never realizied CIM shares as well...

-John-


LMAO... welcome to the here and now, JB!

Better late than never, I suppose.... But I know what you're thinking.... you're thinking, "how many shares of CIM and UCAD can I trade for 1 million IQD?"....

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posted July 21, 2004 11:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Garfield1981     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Can we see 0.0006 by the end of today?

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JBCak47
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posted July 21, 2004 11:53     Click Here to See the Profile for JBCak47     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taken from The Simpons:

This is a CUBE...

WHOA!!! Slow down egg head...
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SO WE WILL BE GETTING CIM SHARES????

Okay, so perhaps my mind has been clouded this morning, however Pharm I will ask you again, my friend, if we hold cmkx shares on 8/31/04 we will be getting a dividend of CIM shares PLUS UCAD???

Didn't cmkx owners already recieve CIM shares? I am still confused (does that surprise any of us here )

Wow UCAD AND CIM shares,wow... not to shabby... lol...


Now Pharm again, I ask, how is the hot tub? I expect if CMKX hits you will be having soem sort of event, perhaps a 'bash' or even a party! How far are you from Disney? Perhaps we can have a Diamond Party in Disney

Or visit the Saint Augusteins Aligator Pharm heheheh... that place was a trip,heheh...

Don't mind me, I already did a wake and bake, a pigeon stole, no, mugged me last night. I have been named as an instigator in last nights broo-haha... You know when I was in second grade, a group of us got tape across our mouths, duct tape, for talking (catholic school)...lol... puts things into perspective, when we went home and told out parents, they laughed at us and said it was our own fault it's true... Too bad they couldn't even do 10% of what was done to us, and what was done to us was 10% of how the catholic schools worked 30 years before me,lol...

-John-

-John-

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JBCak47
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posted July 21, 2004 11:58     Click Here to See the Profile for JBCak47     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pharm, let me tell you,

the day CMKX hits for me, Those dinars become MINE!

For 9000 you get 10 MILLION dinars... for 18k you get 20 Million

Now I am not saying I will blow 18k however if CMKX hit for me, I'd blow 9k for 10 Million dinars... Even if it only went to one cent, 100k in CASH... and that would make it just 1/33rd of the value of the Dinar BEFORE our second Invasion... hmmmmmm....


-John-

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JB, Yes. You will be receiving CIM and UCAD.

If you are a shareholder as of 8/20/04, you will receive UCAD at a future, undisclosed-as-yet date.

If you are a shareholder as of 8/31/04, you will receive CIM at a prorated amount.

Granted, there is plenty of room for disappointment, but just hang tight for now.

BTW, the hot tub is fantastic! I've damn near turned myself into stew a few times! ... and I'm only a heavy hour from Disney..... If we want to do a bash with the rat, I'm in!

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Sarki...

WTF is that .25 mark, or even the .01 mark...

I have Dinars waiting for me that need to be bought!

Pharm has plans too, like a super delux hot tub, diamond encrusted dials... His car of choice? 1967 VW Hippy Van. Complete with small bed in the back. With also Disco Ball and sound system. His Plate: QBIDMNY, bumper sticker: GOT CMKX?

TeenTrader needs his suped uped Lexus, with diamond rimms that spin backwards. Diamonds everywhere, on the dials, seat belts, hell UCAD will mine the gold for his seatbelts, along with CIM, CMKX provides the Diamonds...

Teen Trader also is looking into buying a 'HOG'... Not just any typical motorcycle. He wants the one that is so big, so bulky, the one where you have to stretch your arms SO HIGH UP that you devolp back pain after 10 mins of riding... He is also looking for a model with a little side pod. TeenTraders plate: DMNDNGRLS for the Lexus
MOVBITCH for the hog... :)


Stoned just needs to watch his back. Beware of who feeds you... I know how to make a diamond look like typical bird seed... You have something of mine and I want it back!;)
No mode of transportation for SP other than wings... Hits plate: BULLSEYE (He gets a life time supply of wild bird seed)

Noah, The Commish of Allstocks. He needs a Bretta with diamond tipped bullets. Capable of piercing the thickest kimberlite protected vests.heheh...
Noah, like any member of law enforcement will be riding in a Grand Marquis, typical of his undercover enforcement days of working the beat. No flashy diamond encrusted things for him. However the kind people at UCAD gave him enough steel chrome for life!

MoneyPenny... Soon to change his screen name to MoneyDiamonds... His car of choice?
None other than a 1968 Ferarri. MP knows style and grace, hence the car. His plate: DIMNDMNY

No hog for him, He gets a Sea Ray Amberjack boat... very nice. Name of the Boat? Fishin' fo' Diamonds

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-John-

P.S. I still beleive in humor. This board can get rather dry and talking about O/S day after day after day... lol... we need some humor or we will get very moody.

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quote:
pharmdman
posted June 22, 2004 12:29
I'm changing my license plate to "Sik O W8N"

VW? LMAO!.... more like an Aston Martin Vanquish....

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John,
Sarki posts the same b/s on the QBID thread. Claims to have runners on the floor of the exchanges telling him they're both going to at least a penny today. The guys a joke.

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Sarki was almost right about qbid today but then again... going from .0064 to .009 versus from .0005 to .01 is a HUGE difference... lol...

-John-

The guy is nuts, the profit taking that would occur,lol... I mean to do a jump like that, .0005 to .01 lol... Nice to dream though...

-John-

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I forgot about upside...

With has share of diamond money, He buys himself nice little Vespa. Don't knock the Vespa... The ability to get in and out of tight places can only be achivied with the Vespa. Why the Vespa? When everyone else is sitting in Traffic at 12:45 pm, Upside quickly weaves in and out, gets home with his lunch and is able to catch a quick run up on qbid, day trading and making some profit he would otherwise have missed sitting in an SUV (TeenTrader misses that run up)...

Upsides Plate: DWNSIDE

Alas, Vespa Scooters are inexpensive. So he buys himself a nice little home, Maybe Arizona, or New Mexico if the heat is too much. You see Upside has a plan. He knows that when stocks hit big, everyone goes to Vegas. He situates himself close enough to Vegas so he can attend all parties when his stock hits big.

-John-

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I think I see Booty driving the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile.... LOL... with the license plate... "Pickle 1" or "Bty Qwst"

(ok, we all know he's gonna get me back for that one... )

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Response from Dr. D on question regarding shares.

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on Jul 20th, 2004, 9:04pm, litlmartin wrote:
I have been a shareholder for about 6 weeks now. I still plan on buying more. If there have been so many shorts, then my purchase is probably one of them, right? So if my purchase isn't recorded, will I get the dividends? Is there any way they can screw me over? How safe are my current and future shares? Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

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hi litlmartin

More than likely all shares in the last month have been Naked Short Shares. Unless you are on record with the company as being a shareholder THERE IS NO GUARANTEE from the company that you will get your dividend. The MM's are not responsible or accountable to us to pay any dividend, it is actually the brokerage firms and dealers that are responsible for seeing the dividend is paid to its clients. If they are holding a naked short position which will show a "failure to deliver" for a MM then they either have to get the MM's to cover the NS position and complete the naked short transaction by settling or the brokerage firm will have to do it themselves.

Most don't understand that by leaving their entire CMKX position at brokerage level they are actually leaving ALL of their CMKX shares in "Street Name" meaning that none of these individuals that have shares are known to the company as being share holders. When the shares are maintained and held in a Brokerage firm account then the shares are all kept in the "Street Name" or the brokerage firm name.

Explained:
Share holders that have their shares exclusively in Ameritrade will find that their shares are in the "Street Name" of Ameritrade and the company and Transfer Agent recognizes that Ameritrade has XXXX amount of shares, but the individual is unknown. The brokerage firm carries the responsibility then to guarantee and RECORD your position in CMKX out of the XXXXX amount of Street Name Shares it has in its possession from CMKX.

The dividend works the same way and the actual dividend payments will be made to the brokerage firm that have XXXXX amount of shares in its "Street Name" and if things don't settle for an investor client on the dividend settling date then it is the brokerage firm that will have to answer first.

I believe all will be settled by the brokerage firms and MM's, but I cannot guarantee that only time will tell. There are different options to holding your securities you may want to consider.

As an investor, you have up to three choices when it comes to holding your securities:

Physical Certificate — When you own the physical certificate for your CMKX stock it is registered in your name on the issuer's books whether it is the company, a Transfer Agent, or brokerage firm and you receive an actual printed stock certificate representing your ownership of the CMKX shares.

"Street Name" Registration — Your CMKX shares are said to be held in “Street Name” when your CMKX shares are registered in the name of your brokerage firm (the brokerage firm is the “Street” for all investor clients in their brokerage firm creating the metaphor as being for all clients that live on that “Street”) on the issuer's books, and your brokerage firm holds the CMKX shares for you in "book-entry" form. "Book-entry" simply means that you do not receive a physical certificate for your CMKX shares but instead your broker keeps a record in its books that you own a specific amount of CMKX shares.

"Direct" Registration — Another form of holding for your CMKX shares is what is referred to as “Direct Registration”. You can choose to have your CMKX shares registered in your name on the issuer's books, but permitting either the company or its transfer agent to hold all CMKX shares for you in book-entry form. One benefit of this is that "Direct Registration" can allow you to transfer your CMKX shares that you hold to another investor.


There are some advantages to having your certificates
of CMKX:

The advantages of holding an actual certificate include:

1. CMKX knows exactly how to reach you and will be able to send all company reports and other information to you directly without you waiting for the information to trickle down through other sources. This also insures the validity of the information to you.

2. If you need some extra money and decide to go to the Bank or Loan Company you will probably find it a lot easier to offer your securities as collateral for a loan if you are holding the actual certificates yourself in physical certificate form and can present them at the time of the Loan processing.

3. If you plan on holding long on CMKX or any other security, certificates make this easier because of the time and steps necessary to get them back into the market.

4. If a naked short sell position is affecting the security (such as CMKX) this will secure your holdings in the company in case of a failure of the market makers to deliver or the brokerage firms to complete the naked short sell and fail delivery on your security!

The disadvantages include:

1. One of the most obvious drawbacks to holding the physical certificate for your CMKX stock is when you want to sell your stock. If the price gets right for you to sell it could pass before you can get in a position to sell. Why? Simply put, you will have to send the actual certificate to your broker or the company's transfer agent and it has to go through their channels before you can actually execute the sale. This may make it impossible for you to sell your position quickly if you need a fast out for the process can take a few days to several weeks to accomplish.

2. If for some unseen reason you happen to lose your certificate, whether it is never received in the mail, destroyed by fire, water, stolen, or simply misplaced or lost you may be charged a fee for a replacement certificate. Although if the lost or stolen certificate is reported quickly there is a chance there may be no fee at all.

3. A not so difficult downside although needing to be mentioned is the fact that if you happen to be doing well, buy a new house and move, then you will have to contact the company with your change of address so that you do not miss any important information they may be trying to mail to you. This is not updated automatically and you will have to contact them to update the current address information.

I hope this helps.

Dr.D


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quote:
Originally posted by noahltl:
From another board:


alloymiken1
TERRIBLE IMBALANCE
« Thread started on: Today at 10:33am »


Well I can vouch for this. I have had a sell order in at .0005 since yesterday and they haven't processed it yet. I see Billions of shares going at .0005 but they can't squeeze in my measley little 6.5 million shares. Seems a bit rediculous to me.

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Look I am not her to talk crap. I think that CMKX will hit the penny range. I thought it would be today, but I was wrong. Look after all these transaction cmkx has done in the past days tells me it's leading into something BIG!!!!!

I WAS RIGHT ON QBID THOUGH gotta give me that. LAUNCH DATE IN SEPTEMBER.

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Originally posted by JBCak47:
Sarki was almost right about qbid today but then again... going from .0064 to .009 versus from .0005 to .01 is a HUGE difference... lol...

-John-

The guy is nuts, the profit taking that would occur,lol... I mean to do a jump like that, .0005 to .01 lol... Nice to dream though...

-John-


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CMKX right now, doesn't have the value to hit a penny, imo. I own a bunch, and am trying to pick up some more, but I think we have a long while before it hits a penny. Yes all the dividends are awesome news, and we might get some even better news in the next month, but after all that, we need diamonds!

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I am new to trading and was hoping for some input. I had a GTC sell order for CMKX sitting for over a month at $1. It was cancelled on Monday with no explanation by ETRADE. I placed the sell order again for $1 on Monday and Tuesday and the same thing happend. If they were canceling it because it was too far away from the current price, why wouldn't they have done it a month ago? Is this behavior strange to anyone? Any thoughts would be appreciated to this beginner. Thanks.

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The Great Sultan of Pharmania wrote:

"think I see Booty driving the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile.... LOL... with the license plate... "Pickle 1" or "Bty Qwst""


HAHAHAH I have a little match box wiener mobile... Perhaps these could be the Q-Mobiles?!?!?

Imagine the Wiener Mobile, with large Phalic hot dog sticking out the front of the Car with the words "The Q-Televesion Network" heheheh...

Booty Quest... How could I forget. I think Pharm hit the nail on the head. totally BTY QWST... heheheh...

Booty would also buy a Jet Ski, SeaDoo I would tend to think.

On the Back it says "Chase This Up"
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Sarki when I say you are nuts I mean it in a loving, pumper way...heheh...

A penny? Well anything is possible, I don't see a penny buy next week however, but who am I?

You were right about Qbid... so who knows,lol...

Something has been up with this stock since May or so, in my opinion... way to many gray areas to figure out, thats why I am stil buying more. I have an order in for 370k at .0003 Perhaps it will fill, probably won't but I have seen MM's do these games before in the last 8 or 9 months I have been watching the stocks...

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Its 1:30 pm. Time for a 'smoke' break. I also need lunch... Maybe Ham and Swiss with mayo s/p? Yeah, the usuall...

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FYI I plan on EVENTUALLY getting a boat (provided I have the money)... I am thinking of calling it 'Diamonds in the Smoke'...

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-John-

P.S. Every day I feel more and more confidant of CMKX!

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originally posted by pharmdman:
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I think I see Booty driving the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile.... LOL... with the license plate... "Pickle 1" or "Bty Qwst"

Back in my single days I actually looked into being a wienermobile driver. Not a bad gig for a single person. It paid around 30k a year to drive a hot dog around the country. All hotels were paid for and there was a clothing and food allowance too. Nice way to see the country, from a hot dog.

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Originally posted by Upside:
originally posted by pharmdman:
Back in my single days I actually looked into being a wienermobile driver. Not a bad gig for a single person. It paid around 30k a year to drive a hot dog around the country. All hotels were paid for and there was a clothing and food allowance too. Nice way to see the country, from a hot dog.

Seems to me that would be a one-eyed view of the country!

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originally posted by pharmdman:
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Seems to me that would be a one-eyed view of the country!

Now that's funny! LOL!

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Originally posted by kevy0899:
I am new to trading and was hoping for some input. I had a GTC sell order for CMKX sitting for over a month at $1. It was cancelled on Monday with no explanation by ETRADE. I placed the sell order again for $1 on Monday and Tuesday and the same thing happend. If they were canceling it because it was too far away from the current price, why wouldn't they have done it a month ago? Is this behavior strange to anyone? Any thoughts would be appreciated to this beginner. Thanks.

Ameritrade uses a different dictionary than the regular market. GTC means until YOU Cancel: They interpret it good thill end of following month.(YEA its a pain)
VAN

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John,

I couldn't stand the thought of you having more shares than me (lol), so I wired some money this morning and put in an order for 1.22 million at .0004. I hope it goes through!

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Good afternoon everyone, I was hoping to find out how I can obtain a verication of CMKX stock in my name. Secondly, how can money wired to a broker be ready for use on the same day of transfer? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you.

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Originally posted by Justhis1ce:
Good afternoon everyone, I was hoping to find out how I can obtain a verication of CMKX stock in my name. Secondly, how can money wired to a broker be ready for use on the same day of transfer? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you.


Call your broker or look up your account online to verify stock in your name. They'll tell you whether you have it or not. As far as wiring goes, I can speak for Ameritrade, as you long as you go to your bank and wire the money they consider that an immediate electronic cash trasfer of funds and are available immediately for trading from brokerage account.

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quote:
Originally posted by kevy0899:
I am new to trading and was hoping for some input. I had a GTC sell order for CMKX sitting for over a month at $1. It was cancelled on Monday with no explanation by ETRADE. I placed the sell order again for $1 on Monday and Tuesday and the same thing happend. If they were canceling it because it was too far away from the current price, why wouldn't they have done it a month ago? Is this behavior strange to anyone? Any thoughts would be appreciated to this beginner. Thanks.


I noticed on another board that several other people using ETRADE had the same thing happened to them. And they were for GTC orders that were only 2 days old and for only .10 pps. Doesn't make sense to me but I don't use ETRADE but I at least wanted you to know it happened to someone else as well.

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What Dr D says earlier in this page is not true. The MM's don't have to up the PPS until people are willing to sell their REAL shares in order for them to cover. All they have to do is create more naked shares, move the price up and sell the new naked shares. For example, they create 50 billion more naked shares. They move the price from today's .0005 to .0006 to .0007 all the way to .001 in two days (for example). The whole way up, they are selling these shares, and sell the most at .001 with MM-paid pumpers in place. After they sell the 50 billion new naked shorts, they walk the price down, in a day or two. They may even bring it under .0005 maybe to .0004 at which price all those that just bought (the newcomers) are scared and sell- to the MM's which buy it all back. Also, those that have been holding may get scared from the MM's games and sell too! Think of all the profit they make. 50 billion shares * .0003 (ave gain) is 15,000,000 dollars. Yes they are still naked on the original naked shorts, but they have 15 million dollars now to buy back real shares. If they do this 5 times in the next couple weeks, they can easily make back the money to buy back their naked shorts. Any opinions? In the end, when the shorts are covered, do you all think the price will end up around .0012? After that, it should trade according to real market demand and supply?

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Re that post of "itsallaboutthemoney" reposted by noahltl at 11:22:

Those 7.5 mil shares bought only 5% of the mineral rights that UCAD thinks are valuable.
That does not mean the that the balance of CMKX's mineral rights (95%) have the same value. It could be more or it could be less...billions $$$$ or worthless looking at both extremes.

That would depend upon whether or not additional claims can produce profitable results. Therefore, it would be impossible to determine the value of CMKX based upon the deal with UCAD.

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Kevy-

GTC orders expire after a month. You have to renew the order.

______EDIT_____

And NOW I see that's old news, already. Sorry bout that.

Sincerely,

The Department of Redundancy Department

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Originally posted by Brad:
Call your broker or look up your account online to verify stock in your name. They'll tell you whether you have it or not. As far as wiring goes, I can speak for Ameritrade, as you long as you go to your bank and wire the money they consider that an immediate electronic cash trasfer of funds and are available immediately for trading from brokerage account.



Thanks Brad, very helpful.

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Wallace

that is a fair and balanced statement...UCAD may have gotten the sweetest deal ever in the history of Fort A La Corne if the holes they have rights to produce a 40Billion dollar mine. 5% of 40 billion is 2 billion dollars, for the price of 15 million? But if there's a rat's butt for a diamond in the whole area they own 5% of, they may have paid 15 million for a rat's butt. I think either way, Urban gets paid through UCAD in the first scenario, or Urban gets paid through CMKX in the second scenario. My opnion.

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I just noticed it's almost 3 pm and CMKX volume is only about 850 million, does anyone know what's up with the low volume today? Is CMKX about to blow up and everyone's just holding tight?
holding 61 million cmkx

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Re that post of "itsallaboutthemoney" reposted by noahltl at 11:22:

Those 7.5 mil shares bought only 5% of the mineral rights that UCAD thinks are valuable.
That does not mean the that the balance of CMKX's mineral rights (95%) have the same value. It could be more or it could be less...billions $$$$ or worthless looking at both extremes.

That would depend upon whether or not additional claims can produce profitable results. Therefore, it would be impossible to determine the value of CMKX based upon the deal with UCAD.


My understanding is that UCAD has 5% rights on whatever CMKM finds. They did not get the full rights to a chunk of land that is 5% in size of the total. So if CMKM uncovers a mine worth 40B, then UCAD gets 5% of that which is 2B. Am I wrong?

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Brad/Justhis1ce -

Yes, your broker is saying the stock is in your name. However, that is only in connection with the electronic recordkeeping through themselves and DTC. In essence, those shares you have are in "street name", meaning they are in the name of the broker. The Transfer Agent does not have that very same information, and therefore, would probably not have the shares in your name. To carry it beyond to the possibility of the existence of naked shorted shares (what I call "air shares"), the only way to guarantee shares are in your name is to physically get them through your broker, through DTC and then from the Transfer Agent.

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Originally posted by FJEAN2:
I just noticed it's almost 3 pm and CMKX volume is only about 850 million, does anyone know what's up with the low volume today? Is CMKX about to blow up and everyone's just holding tight?
holding 61 million cmkx


I'm showing 5.2 billion.

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Good Morning America (and the rest of the world). As you may have heard, Darren Baker has set up a collection account for the benefit of Melvin's wife Vicky, who is terminally ill. Please, please donate some money, I'm sure they can put it to good use. The account Darren set up is with Paypal (www.paypal.com). If you already have an account with PayPal, just log on, click on "send money" and enter Darren's e-mail (darrenbaker@opmercy.com) and the amount you wish to donate. If you don't have an account with Paypal, set-up is very easy. You can either have the funds drawn from your checking account or a credit card. This service is totally safe. It is used by many ebay users as the only vehicle of transferring money. I use it all the time (for ebay mostly) and I am very happy with it. Let me know if you need help with the transaction or anything else. You support will be highly appreciated.

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HAVE YOU MADE YOUR DONATIONS YET???

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Originally posted by Wallace#1:
Brad/Justhis1ce -

Yes, your broker is saying the stock is in your name. However, that is only in connection with the electronic recordkeeping through themselves and DTC. In essence, those shares you have are in "street name", meaning they are in the name of the broker. The Transfer Agent does not have that very same information, and therefore, would probably not have the shares in your name. To carry it beyond to the possibility of the existence of naked shorted shares (what I call "air shares"), the only way to guarantee shares are in your name is to physically get them through your broker, through DTC and then from the Transfer Agent.


Agreed.

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